Note: By ‘God’ we imply Ishwar or the Supreme Entity and NOT ‘Devata’. ‘Devata’ is a different term but often wrongly considered to mean ‘Supreme Entity’.
While Ishwar is also a ‘Devata’, any entity – living or non-living – that helps us or is useful for us is termed ‘Devata’. But that does not mean every entity is Ishwar and should be worshipped. To avoid confusion, we shall use the term ‘Ishwar’ in this article.
The Supreme One who represents selflessness, controls the entire universe, is present everywhere and is the Devata of all Devatas, alone is source of bliss. Those who do not understand Him remain drenched in sorrow and those who realize Him achieve unconditional happiness. (Rigveda 1.164.39)
Q: How many Ishwar are there in Vedas? We heard there are huge number of Ishwar in Vedas.
A: You have heard from wrong sources. Vedas clearly specify that there is One and only One Ishwar. And there is no mantra in Vedas that can be interpreted to imply multiple Ishwars.
Not only this, Vedas also refuse existence of any angel or Prophet or incarnation who is necessarily required to act as an agent between You and Ishwar.
To give a rough analogy:
Ishwar of Vedas = God of Christianity minus the concept of Trinity minus the necessity to surrender to Jesus
Ishwar of Vedas = Allah of Islam minus the necessity to accept Muhammad as final Prophet.
In other words, If someone says first part of Shahada : lâ ilâha illallâh (There is no other God except one and only Allah) but rejects the second part : Muḥammadur rasûlullâh (Muhammad is his messenger), that is close to concept of Vedic God.
In Islam, it is Shirk or greatest sin to worship anything except Allah. If you take this concept further and also refuse to accept any Muhammad or Gabriel as necessary to be remembered apart from Allah, you are avoiding Shirk as per Vedas.
Q: What about the various Gods or Devatas mentioned in Vedas? What about 33 crore Gods?
A:
1. As mentioned earlier, Devata refers to entities that are useful for us. But nowhere it is mentioned in Vedas that we should worship these entities. Of course, Ishwar is the Devata or Devatas and hence called ‘Mahadeva’. He alone is to be worshipped.
2. The Vedas refer to not 33 crore Devatas but 33 types (Koti in Sanskrit) of Devatas. They are explained in Shatpath Brahman very clearly. These include –
8 Vasus (Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Sky, Moon, Sun, Stars/ Planets) that form components of universe where we live,
10 Life Forces in our body or Prana (Prana, Apana, Vyana, Udana, Samaana, Naga, Kurma, Kukala, Devadatta) and 1 Soul called Rudra,
12 Aditya or months of year,
1 Vidyut or Electromagnetic force that is of tremendous use to us
1 Yajna or constant noble selfless deeds done by humans
The master of these 33 Devatas is the Mahadeva or Ishwar who alone is to be worshipped as per 14th Kanda of Shatpath Brahman.
The concept of 33 Devatas is a great research based subject in itself and requires in-depth study for proper understanding. However, it has been made very clear in all Vedic texts that they are NOT Ishwar and hence NOT to be worshipped.
3. Ishwar has huge number of properties. Ignorant people wrongly consider these properties of Ishwar to be different Ishwars. For example, in today’s newspaper there were 2 headlines – One referred to Dr Singh and other to Manmohan. That does not mean India has two Prime Ministers!
4. To dispel such confusions, there are several mantras in Vedas that clearly state that there is One and Only One Ishwar without any assistants, agents, prophets or juniors to liaison between Him and Us. For example:
Yajurveda 40.1:
This entire world is embedded within and managed by the One and Only One Ishwar. Never dare do any injustice or desire riches through unjust means. Instead follow the righteous path and enjoy His bliss. After all He alone is source of all bliss!
Rigveda 10.48.1:
Ishwar alone is omnipresent and manager of entire universe. He alone provides victory and eternal cause of world. All souls should look up only to Him in same manner as children look up to their Father. He alone provides for our sustenance and bliss.
Rigveda 10.48.5
Ishwar enlightens the entire world. He is undefeated and undying. He is the creator of the world. All souls should seek bliss through seeking knowledge and acting thereupon. They should never shun the friendship of Ishwar.
Rigveda 10.49.1
Ishwar alone provides true knowledge to truth seekers. He alone is promoter of knowledge and motivates virtuous people into noble actions to seek bliss. He alone is the creator and manager of the world. Hence never worship anyone else except one and only Ishwar.
Yajurveda 13.4
There is One and only One Creator and Maintainer of the entire world. He alone is sustaining the earth, sky and other heavenly bodies. He is Bliss Himself! He alone deserves to be worshipped by us.
Atharvaveda 13.4.16-21
He is neither two, nor three, nor four, nor five, nor six, nor seven, nor eight, nor nine, nor ten. He is, on contrary, One and Only One. There is no Ishwar except Him. All devatas reside within Him and are controlled by Him. So He alone should be worshipped, none else.
Atharvaveda 10.7.38
Ishwar alone is greatest and worth being worshipped. He is the source of all knowledge and activities.
Yajurveda 32.11
Ishwar resides at each point in universe. No space is devoid of Him. He is self-sustaining and does not need help of any agent, angel, prophet or incarnation to perform His duties. The soul which is able to realize this One and only One Ishwar achieves Him and enjoys unconditional ultimate bliss or Moksha.
There are innumerable such mantras in Vedas that explain One and Only One Ishwar and instructs us to worship Him directly without invoking any other entity – Incarnation, Prophet, Angel or Agent.
Q: How do you establish existence of Ishwar?
A: Through direct and indirect evidences.
Q: But direct evidence of Ishwar cannot be possible. How do you then establish Ishwar?
A:
1. Evidence means the clear knowledge determined through stimuli received from sense organs. But note that sense organs capture the properties and not the ’cause of these properties’.
For example, when you read this article, you do not capture existence of Agniveer, but only certain images coming on your screen that you interpret into meaningful knowledge. And then you conclude that there has to be some writer of this article and claim that you have evidence of existence of Agniveer. So this is ‘indirect evidence’ even though it appears ‘direct’.
Similarly, this whole creation that we observe via its properties through sense organs imply existence of Ishwar.
2. When you can link a sensory input directly to an entity, you claim to have ‘direct evidence’. For example when you eat a mango, you feel the property of sweetness and associate it with the mango that you consumed. What is important is that you can associate such ‘direct evidence’ ONLY with specific sense organ that was used to observe that property.
Thus in previous example, you cannot have ‘direct evidence’ of mango through ‘ears’ but only through ‘tongue’ or ‘nose’ or ‘eyes’.
Also in reality this is also ‘indirect evidence’ though we term it ‘direct evidence’ for sake of simplicity.
Now since Ishwar is the most subtle entity existing, it is impossible to have ‘direct evidence’ of Ishwar through coarse sense organs like eyes, nose, tongue, skin or ears. For example we cannot see subatomic particles even through most powerful microscopes, we cannot hear ultrasonic sound, we cannot feel the touch of each individual molecule.
In other words, Ishwar is impossible to be evidenced through these coarse and weak sense organs just as mango cannot be sensed through ears or subatomic particles cannot be sensed through any sense organ for that matter.
3. The only organ that can sense Ishwar is mind or Mana. When mind is fully controlled and devoid of involuntary disturbances (like thousands of thoughts coming all the time) and adequate knowledge about properties of Ishwar has been obtained through study and practice, Ishwar can be evidenced directly through intellect in same manner as a mango is evidenced through its taste.
This is the goal of life and this is what a Yogi attempts to do through all the various methods of mind control that include cultivating traits like non-violence, truth-seeking, compassion, seeking bliss for all, high moral character, fighting against injustice, unity among people, etc etc.
4. In a way we get hints of direct evidence of Ishwar everyday in our life. When we try to indulge in any wrong act like theft, cheating, brutality, we hear that faint ‘inner voice’ in form of fear, shame, doubt etc. And when we indulge in noble deeds like helping others, blessing a child etc, we again hear that ‘inner voice’ in form of fearlessless, sense of satisfaction, enthusiasm and feeling of bliss.
This ‘inner voice’ is from Ishwar. Often we reduce its audibility by trying to silence it through loud DJ Music of stupid tendencies around. But then we all at times feel this ‘inner voice’ getting louder now and then, when things are relatively silent.
5. And when the soul purifies itself from mental disturbances and gets away from the DJ club, it is able to directly evidence itself as well as Ishwar.
Hence both through direct and indirect evidence, Ishwar is established as clearly as other entities witnessed by us.
Q: Where does Ishwar live?
1. Ishwar is omnipresent and hence resides everywhere. Had Ishwar been living at a particular place like some special sky or on some special throne, He could not have been omniscient, omnipotent, manager of all, creator of all and destructor of all. You cannot perform actions at a place where you are not present.
2. If you say that Ishwar manages the world from one place just like sun illuminates earth from far off or you watch TV through remote control, this is defective logic. Because sun is able to illuminate the earth or remote control is able to operate the TV only through radiation waves that travel through the interim space. Just because we are unable to see them we call it remote control. In reality there is nothing like a remote control. Thus the very fact that Ishwar is able to manage something implies that it is present there to manage it.
3. Further, if Ishwar is omnipotent, why would He be scared to restrict Himself to a small space. This makes Ishwar limited. Christians say God is on 4th sky and Muslims say that Allah is on 7th sky. And their followers keep fighting each other to prove themselves right. Is it that God and Allah decided to live in separate skies so that they also do not start fighting like their angry followers?
In reality these are childish talks. When Ishwar is All-Powerful and controls entire universe, there is no reason why He would be scared to limit himself to a small part of universe. And if He is, he cannot be termed All-Powerful.
Q: Does it mean Ishwar is also in dirty things like alcohol, urine, excreta?
A:
1. The entire creation is within Ishwar. Because Ishwar is also outside these things but these things do not exist outside Ishwar. So all things in world are pervaded by Ishwar. To give a very rough analogy, we are within Ishwar in similar manner as a pice of cloth within tub of water. There is water within, outside and all around the cloth. There is no portion of cloth which is not wet with water but there is water beyond the cloth as well.
2. Anything is dirty or good for us depending upon our duty towards it. The same set of atoms that form the tasty mango we eat is so lovely for us. But when the atoms disintegrate, interact with other chemicals and form excreta, that becomes dirty for us. But in essence all these are merely different combinations of particles of nature. Since we have a mission on this earth, we analyze each thing with regards to the mission and accept some/ reject rest. What we reject is dirty or trash for us and what we accept is good for us. But for God, such duty does not exist and hence nothing is dirty for Him. On contrary, His duty is different from ours – to help us achieve bliss in just manner – and hence nothing in His entire creation is untouchable for Him.
3. If you look from another analogy, Ishwar is not like a pampered social worker who would prefer to plan remotely in his air-conditioned office but would desist from visiting the slums where actual social work has to be done. He, on contrary, exists to manage the most dirty of the places for our benefit.
4. And since He alone is most perfect, despite He being everywhere and everything being within Him, He is separate and different from these things.
Q: Is Ishwar Kind and Just?
A: Yes. He is the epitome of kindness and justice.
Q: But these are opposite traits. Kindness means to forgive a criminal. And justice means giving punishment to criminal. How can both exist at same time?
A: Kindness and Justice are basically one and same. Because both serve the same purpose.
1. Kindness does not mean forgiving a criminal. Because if that be done, several innocent people would become victims. Thus unless justice is meted out to a criminal, one cannot be kind to innocents. It will also be not justice to the criminal because he would not be prevented from further crimes.
For example, if a dacoit is forgiven, he would harm several innocent people. And if he is imprisoned, it would not only prevent harm to innocents but also allow him opportunity to improve himself and not do further crimes. So in justice alone lies kindness for one and all.
2. In reality, kindness refers to the purpose of Ishwar and justice to the process. When Ishwar punishes a criminal, He does it to prevent the criminal from doing further crimes. And he also prevents innocent people from getting punished for no offense of theirs. Thus the entire purpose of justice is kindness to all.
3. As per Vedas, and observation, the source of sorrow is ignorance which causes one to do wrong acts called crimes. So when a soul does such wrong acts, Ishwar restricts his freedom to do crimes and allows him opportunities to remove his ignorance and remove sorrow.
4. Mere saying sorry is not sufficient to receive pardon of Ishwar. The source of sin or crimes is ignorance and until that is removed, the soul would continue to get rightful punishments or rewards for its actions every moment throughout several births and deaths. And the purpose of all this justice is His kindness towards the soul to gift it with ultimate bliss.
Q: Does that mean, Ishwar will never pardon my sins? Islam or Christianity are better. There, if I confess or say sorry, all my past records are deleted and I am given fresh opportunity.
A:
1. Ishwar does pardon your sins. His pardon lies in the just results of your actions that He provides and not in deleting your past records.
2. If He were to delete your past records, He would be doing greatest injustice and brutality to you. Because in this case, He has allowed you to be promoted to next class even when you have not gained the competence to pass the present class. And in process he is doing injustice to others also who interact with you.
3. Pardoning means providing opportunity to improve your competence and not giving you 100% when you deserved a zero. This is exactly what Ishwar does. And remember that improving competence does not happen in one moment or through one word of ‘Sorry’. It demands dedicated practice and efforts over a period of time. Only lazy people seek shortcuts like trying to get 100% without even studying the course.
4. Unfortunately, those who attract people to their religion by saying that God will forgive their sins are fooling themselves and people. Suppose someone has diabetes. Does it get treated merely by saying sorry? When a physical disease takes much more than a sorry to be treated, how can mind – the most complex thing known to humanity – be treated by a sorry?
5. Actually these ideologies have a blatant flaw – they believe in one life and do not believe in rebirth. So they want to create artificial hurry formula to attract people. And scare them to Hell of they do not agree to them. We have already covered the loopholes of One Life theory in God must be crazy!
6. Vedic philosophy is much more natural, amenable to logic and reasonable. Neither is there a Hell where you would be thrown to burn forever by an Ishwar who is as loving as Mother, nor would He debar you from opportunities to actually raise your competence through efforts and achieve what you truly deserve. After all what is more satisfying:
a. Rank 1 through a fake mark sheet when we know that actually we had got zero, or
b. A proud Rank 1 through hard work and burning midnight oil, when we know that we did the best we could to become masters of the subject!
So in vedas, there are no shortcuts or longcuts to success. There is only the right cut! And the success is much more satisfying than what any illusionary and illusive shortcut can be imagined to provide!
Q: Is Ishwar with form or formless?
A: He is formless as per Vedas and commonsense.
1. He cannot be omnipresent if He has form. Because form implies existence of boundary. And hence He should not exist beyond the boundary if He has form.
2. Form can be seen only if Ishwar is coarse. Because any object finer than what can reflect light waves cannot be seen. Now Vedas clearly define Ishwar as the most finest, without gaps and uniform everywhere. (Refer Yajurveda 40.8 for example). Hence He cannot have form.
3. If Ishwar has a form, it means that someone created His form. This is not possible. If you say that He himself made His form, it means He was formless earlier.
4. If you say that Ishwar is both formless and with form, it is not possible because both are contradictory.
5. If you say that He takes divine forms at times, kindly specify what divine means. Say Ishwar took divine form of a man. Now how will you define boundary of Ishwar atoms and non-Ishwar atoms. Further since He is present everywhere with same density (uniformity), how we distinguish between man-Ishwar and rest of world. And if Ishwar is same everywhere, how are we seeing the boundary?
6. What we see as human body is actually continuous exchange of matter and energy with rest of the world. It is impossible to distinguish each atom as part of human body or rest of the world. So it will be impossible to segregate even body of man-Ishwar. For example, will the spit, urine, sweat and other excreta from man-Ishwar also be divine?
7. In Vedas there is no concept of Ishwar being with form. Further there is nothing that Ishwar cannot do without form that He must assume a form.
8. What we normally consider as divine Ishwar forms – for example people like Ram and Krishna – were actually divinely inspired. Remember, we talked about ‘inner voice’ of Ishwar? These legends were epitome of Ishwar worship and purity of mind. And hence for normal people, they were Ishwar themselves. However Vedas prohibit worship of anyone except Ishwar. Thus, these persons should instead be emulated (their examples be followed in our own real lives) to offer our gratitude to them. This hero-followership is as per Vedas and explained in The power of Now! – Know Vedas.
9. Had Ishwar taken form and worship of these forms been the recipe for salvation, Vedas would have detailed description on this topic. But Vedas do not even hint at such concepts.
Q: Does it mean all these temples and worship of Ram, Krishna, Durga, Lakshmi wrong?
A: Yes and No.
No, because the core of these worship methods is to pattern your mind towards higher realizations. Like creative visualization used in psychology as well. Humans understand things through sense organs and mind. These worship methods use these senses to understand and generate emotional / spiritual intelligence for understanding Supreme.
Yes, because today most of us have lost the core essence and do worship mechanically. This is not much fruitful despite best of intent.
Take example of a pious mother living in a remote village. Her son gets bitten by snake. She rushes to local Tantrik for Jhaad Phoonk in an attempt to save life of her child. Would you call her wrong or right?
The bulk of Ishwar worshippers today, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever are in same state. Their intentions are genuine and worth greatest respect. But out of ignorance, they adopt wrong practices of worshipping Ishwar. This is obvious from the fact that hardly anyone even knows about the Vedas, even though, at least the Hindus agree that Vedas are supreme. We have forgotten the way our legends worshipped Supreme.
The right way to show our gratitude to great legends of past should be by imbibing their virtues and doing noble deeds accordingly. For example, we see Ravans all around in form of corruption, terrorism, immorality etc. If we can unite to counter these in rightful manner, that would be true glorification of Ram. Same with Krishna, Durga, Hanuman etc. If we can snatch back Ram Mandir, Krishna Janmabhoomi, Kashi, that will be true worship.
I have been a fan of Hanumanji throughout my life. My way of his glorification has been preservation of my moral character and putting efforts for a strong and healthy body that serves the society. What point is in worshipping Hanuman with weak body and irritable stomach yet consuming heavy laddus!
While the motive behind all these modes of worship is worth greatest respect and we humbly bow to the purity of true devotees of any cult, it is our wish to see all devotees to adopt the same methods of worship that Ram or Krishna adopted in their own lives!
Q: Is Ishwar Omnipotent or All-Powerful?
A:
Yes, He is omnipotent. But that does not mean He can do whatever He wants. Doing whatever one may want is sign of indiscipline. On contrary, Ishwar is most disciplined. Omnipotence means that Ishwar does not need help of any other entity to conduct His duties – creation, management, destruction of universe. He is self-sufficient to conduct His duties.
But He would act only as per His duties. For example, He will not kill Himself to create another Ishwar. He cannot make Himself an idiot. He cannot do theft or dacoity etc.
Q: Does Ishwar has a beginning?
A:
Ishwar is without any beginning and without any end. He was always present and will always remain. Further His properties remain same at all times.
Soul and Nature are two other beginningless and endless entities.
Q: What does Ishwar want?
A: Ishwar wants bliss for all souls and wants them to achieve this bliss through deserving efforts purely on basis of merit.
Q: Should we worship Ishwar or not? Why? After all He never forgives!
A: Ishwar should be worshipped and He alone should be worshipped.
It is true that by worship of Ishwar, you will not receive any shortcut pass certificate when you have actually failed. Only lazy and cheaters desire such unscrupulous means to success.
The benefits of worship of Ishwar are different:
a. By worship of Ishwar one is able to understand Ishwar and His creation better.
b. By worship, one is able to better understand His properties and adopt those in his own life.
c. By worship, one is able to hear ‘inner voice’ better and get constant clearer guidance from Him.
d. By worship, one eradicates ignorance, gains strength and is able to withstand toughest challenges in life with confidence and aplomb.
e. Ultimately, one is able to remove ignorance completely and achieve Moksha or salvation with ultimate bliss.
Please note that worship does not mean some mechanical recitations or blankness of mind. It is a proactive approach to imbibe wisdom through actions, knowledge and contemplation.
We shall discuss this in detail subsequently. For now, you can refer to: How to worship?
Q: When Ishwar does not have limbs and sense organs, how does He conduct His actions?
A: He does not need coarse organs for his actions that happen at most microscopic level. He does so through His inherent powers. He sees without eyes because his eyes are present at every points in space, He does not have legs, but is fastest, He does not have ears but listens to everything, He knows everything but is beyond complete cognizance of everybody. This shloka comes in Upanishad. Ishopanishad also describes this in detail.
Q: Does Ishwar know His limits?
A: Ishwar knows everything. This means that He knows whatever is truth. Since Ishwar is limitless, He knows Himself as limitless. It would render Him ignorant if He tries to know His limits when none exist.
Q: Is Ishwar Saguna or Nirguna?
A: Both. Ishwar is Saguna if you refer to properties like Kindness, Just, Creator, Maintainer etc. But He is Nirguna, if you refer to properties that He does not possess – like dumbness, senselessness, anger, cheating, birth, death etc. Its only a semantic difference.
Q: Please summarize major properties of Ishwar as per Vedas.
A: His properties are infinite and cannot be expressed in words. But here are some major properties:
– He exists
– He is animate
– He is source of all bliss and happiness
– He is formless
– He is unchangeable
– He is all-powerful
– He is just
– He is kind
– He is unborn
– He never dies
– He is infinite
– He is omnipresent
– He has no defects
– He has no beginning and no end either in time or space
– He is uncomparable
– He maintains entire universe
– He creates entire universe
– He knows everything
– He never deteriorates and remains perfect always
– He is fearless
– He is pure
– He has no agents and establishes direct relationship with all souls.
He alone deserves to be worshipped without invoking anyone else.
This alone is the path to bliss and removal of all miseries!
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“”* If GOD is satvvi then from where Satvic property came”””.
replied above that there is no question where does a property come from? right?
http://agniveer.com/vedic-god/#comment-20613 (this comment is mine forgot to put my name in there!)
“”””* If Matter has Satvic,Rajsic and Tamsic then from where all these came who created them.
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Same question same answer so propert does not have a question where it cam from right?
“””* I accept that GOD is everything in himself and ia ll powerfull then again why he cannot create SOUL and Matter,He can create SOUL and reduce these properties based on his design….Then oly we can become son and daughter.
Even sometime we have more rajasic or Satvic gunas of our parents and same GOD could have done,in this way he could have created soul ,after that it could have resulted in journey of re-birth and death etc.
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this part i could not understand please be little clear and explain this part ?
AryaVeer i
Thanks I will continue here as student.
Every property is due to some combination of atoms,molecules etc.Even feelings have some medium, and some root.Nothing can be in air.Now even if I consider Satvvic,Rajasi and Tamsic as initial property of matter then who created these and if they are not particle or energies then how can matter be created out of it which has mass and occupy space.
Lets work on Matter and GOD first.Please prove that GOD cannot create matter.I need to get this basic right first.Why he cannot create with a blink or by his power matter from nowhere.
As he is all powerfull.
OM
———–Every property is due to some combination of atoms,molecules etc.Even feelings have some medium, and some root.Nothing can be in air.Now even if I consider Satvvic,Rajasi and Tamsic as initial property of matter then who created these and if they are not particle or energies then how can matter be created out of it which has mass and occupy space.——
Very correct ! but as you say we would take this on later first the other part of your post..
—–Lets work on Matter and GOD first.Please prove that GOD cannot create matter.I need to get this basic right first.Why he cannot create with a blink or by his power matter from nowhere.—–
Okkay by seeing all the nature around us we know that god has not created matter!
But now the problem is that why god cannot create matter?
Nothing can come from nowhere ! you yourself said this in previous post either it has to be created or it is there from always !!
The thing here is that our basic conception about god is wrong! we often think of god like a magician who can do things by moving his wand or speaking some words or blinking an eye! but thing there is nothing as miracle! everything happens for a reason and logical explanation based on laws of nature!
Nothing can ever defy laws of nature right?
for example it appears that magician does disappear by saying “agdam bagdam choo!!” but we know that basically nothing happened because of those words! though it appears laws of nature have been defied but they have not been defied in reality!
Laws of nature can never be defied right?
so similarly please please even god cannot defy the laws of nature! God himself have created them he himself would never defy his own laws! by no way by no way a rose can grow on cactus plant!
Think of god as greatest of all scientists ! He has invented everything around world ! The things which are discoveries for us are inventions of Him! (water cycle, mountains, rivers, winds, oceans etc.) Now , God as a scientist has created things… it is not possible for him to do anything which is simply not possible!
ALL- POWERFUL is the term (sarva-shaktimaan) is most mis-understood term . by all powerful it should not be taken as to be able to do anything ! but as to be all self sufficient to complete all jobs of his without anyone’s help ! he is all powerful to do all his duties !
God can never go against his own laws! so blinking a eye , speaking amantra doing something against nature is simply not possible!
Anyoe who says that god is all powerful means god can do anything anytime!
then ask him these simple questions:
Can God create a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift?
Can god create another god?
Can god kill himself?
can god get sick?
can god become angry?
can god become sad and cry?
ask out these things!
to clear out please read the chapter on this in Satyartha Prakash aka Light Of Truth! 🙂
waiting for your response! 🙂
Ram
Thanks and I have already Read that Chapter in SP.Appreciate your patience.I laughed on your reply “agdam badma choo” ha ha ha…
You said GOD cannot do anything against Nature then what is Nature.What do you mean by laws of Nature,when GOD is in everything and he controls everything then from where Nature arose.
Thanks
“”””””You said GOD cannot do anything against Nature then what is Nature””””””””””
See the nture or Prakriti in itself is jadh (non living)!So when we say laws of nature it means laws made by god which exisits in nature. eg. law of gravity! it is a natural law (made by god)!
And yes god is in everything an controls it! for nstance god is one who makes sure hat law of gravity keeps working every moment!!
So the law of nature i.e. law of god is as perfect and as permanent and unchangeable as God himself! so in any case , even god cannot or we can say will not defy this law!
So please all those serials or stories where it says god (or some godman) gave a indication from finger and stones or other things fly in air etc. are fake or just imaginary because such a thing is not possible!!
And sometimes we say why cannot god do this see even if he can do this , he would never do anything like this to the extent that we can say he cannot do this!
eg.say , i ask you can you run on roads of your town naked and shrieking out loudly?
Now see even if you can do this but you would never do this because you are a sane person!
So in a way i can say that you cannot do this!
Now in human life maybe some condition comes (GOD- Forbid 🙂 )that we have to do this , because to us our future is unpredictable, but god is always same (ishvar ekras hai, vo nhi badlta ) and remains same always so there is no question that god would ever have to do this!
similarly god is so decide while making laws of nature that he does not needs to defy them, that he will never defy them! This statement is true to the extent that we can say that god cannot defy them even if he may be able to do so !!
Hope i did not confused you all over! 🙂
OM Ji
Thanks for your reply,I think I am asking a lot from you and only GOD can reply few things like.
Lets start with GOD and SOUL now,I am good with GOD and MATTER.
Please explain why GOD cannot create SOUL and destroy souls.
OM
Namaste!
🙂
Now we know that PRAKRITI is different from god therefore it is not made of god, hence not made of god means is not made by god !
(What god does is takes prakriti and transforms it to the form of univese and world we see !!)
In a similar fashion soul is different from both god and matter !
Matter is jadh(non living), and soul is chetan(living) hence it is clear that soul is not made of matter !
Now our question would again come at same place!
About souls again we have three possiblities:
If we say god made souls then:
1. God Made souls out of Prakriti which we agree that was present eternally with god!
2. God made souls using he himself own as material.
Otherwise
3. Souls were also present eternally along with god and Prakriti in a similar fashion as god and matter was preset eternally!
1st option is cancelled as discussed above that prakriti is non living while souls is chetan! Anything made of nonliving thing can never be living right?
😛
2nd option again we see properties of god and Souls different!
God is all knowing, soul is not!
God is vyapak, soul is not!
God is all powerful , soul is not!
(soul needs someone to provide it a material body to accomplish karma)
God is always mukta, soul is not!
God never comes under effect of Prakriti’s raajsic and taamsik properties(called as Maya) while soul frequently comes under its effect unless attained Moksha!
God free from Cycle of Births n deaths, soul is not!
and in similar way there are many differences in soul and god which makes it sure that soul is not of same material as that is god!
Hence we are only left with third option that Soul is also present eternally along with Ishvara and Prakriti!
Hence the three Ishvara, Prakriti And Souls are present With each other since infinity and would remain together till infinity!
Ad god would always keep managing these two other entities!
Actually this is the concept of Trinity which Bible writers tried to copy (god , son and Holy Spirit ) but they kind of could not understand it properly and have confused themselves and other also!
OM Ji
2nd option again we see properties of god and Souls different!
God is all knowing, soul is not!
God is vyapak, soul is not!
God is all powerful , soul is not!
(soul needs someone to provide it a material body to accomplish karma)
God is always mukta, soul is not!
God never comes under effect of Prakriti’s raajsic and taamsik properties(called as Maya) while soul frequently comes under its effect unless attained Moksha!
God free from Cycle of Births n deaths, soul is not!
and in similar way there are many differences in soul and god which makes it sure that soul is not of same material as that is god!
Even Parents and kids are not of same nature so why cannot GOD make Soul in the same way out of him.
OM
please read an illuminating discussion on the topic at http://www.satyavidya.org/for-beginners/134-is-the-total-creation-made-by-god-
this indeed is very excellent discussion!
Ram Signh ji please go through teh above disussion carefully it would answer out many questions!
And about your above question…
See child if wishes then become like parents
say father drink if child wish he also can start drinking…
… while soul even if wishes can never become god.
Means soul can never become all knowing , soul can never become omnipresent etc.
Arya Veer Ji and Vasu Ji
Can you please explain this..
K: What is the objection if it were to be accepted that the soul is the creation of God?
V: If this is accepted, then the souls are not free to do their Karma. Secondly, God becomes accountable for their good and bad deeds. Souls cannot be treated as partaking in an evil deed, for the reason that God himself has created the souls and the God has invested them with the fitness to do both good and bad deeds. Hence God did the good and bad deed! Hence what is wrong in the soul? If God had not given the freedom to do bad things at the time of the creation of Souls how evil could have been done by the soul? Hence, it could be said that God did not create the soul and the latter is Anadi and enjoys freedom of action. But he is subservient to God in enjoying the fruits of Karma decided by God.
PM
mujhe garv hai apne hindu hoone par agni veer ji hamein app jaise ik admi ki jaroorat thi jo jo hindu dharma ki jaankari gahrai se de -jai shri raam
Agni Veer Jee aap ne jo jankaariyan deen hai wo anmol hai ek aam Hindu Ved ka adhhayan nhn karte na to hamare desh ke education policy aisi hai na hi aam hindu parivaar isme koi ruchi dikhata hai …..aap ka aabhari aur reeni hun ke aap aisa kar rahe hai…..Aap ko shat shat Dhanyabad deta hun…..Aap se aagrah hai ise anbarat chalne dein…….Dhanybad…
Excellent and GOV bless you,even I have one last Question..Did we found GOD particle in Higgs Boson…Is it Mahat which they found…Please do reply.I think we should also celeberate as Sciensists in geneva found GODs Particle……One Great Article should be for these people…Please enlighten that GOD Particle is foudn or what it is…..
Indeed we and all scientist community should celebrate for this huge discovery! A very important particle has been found ! without finding it is said that all current scientific equations and theorems would have been un proved! Now this very important particle has been named as ‘god particle’ – being that this particle has an important role in the making of universe!
so a wonderful ‘particle’ has been found not god ! 😛
Hello,
Some scientists and religious leaders claim that the Big Bang theory refuted Vedic models of the universe.
As far as I read from Vedas, it talks about cycles… Let`s assume that every cycles starts with another bigbang and it goes on forever.
But in 2011, it`s proven that universe will expand forever with accelerating speed so there won`t be a “big crunch”, instead, the universe will continue expanding forever. (thus no another big bang)
My questions are:
1) Science says that everything started with big bang, before that, there was nothing. (no space/time) So if that`s true, how can there be “cycles” ?
2) Let`s assume that there are multiple big bangs (Science doesn`t agree with that though) We know that there won`t be big crunch, universe will expand forever instead, so how this current cycle will end?
Thank you…
Muhammad Ji
Big Band is nascenet stage and very small part of Vedic Model–Standard Model is very smaell part of Vedic Model.Scientist still have long Journey ,they have only found one more Particle out of 210 Particles.VEdas not only talk about Particles but talk about number of fields and forces.Gravity which is still not solved by Standard Model is explained in vedas.Higgs field is well explained in vedas.Higgs Bosos is not considered major particle in vedas it is something else which we will not dicuss here.
Anyway if you read Higgs said that fields canot be detected and Vedas say you can find any number of Partricles and by finding particle you cannot arrive to truth as Earth itself is made of huge number of Particles.Rather then spending 10.2 Billion dollar scientist should have found out what law makes atoms to molecules which result into beautiful colors in plants,animals and they should have tried to do that.
OM
Hi
Can someone tell me what GOD is made up of.
Thanks
I see the site is more of the nature of anti-islamic/anti-christ..and not just propagating vedantha or vedic truths.
Regarding the above article..author wanted to say Ishvar is formless … who are you to decide? why can’t he have a form if he wishes? who are you to restrict him as formless?
Author said Vedas never claim Ishvar has form…have you gone through whole vedas?
Read these lines “Tasya yadha kapyaasam pundareekamevam”akshini” “..is this not the form of Ishavara?
Don’t try to limit god for some particular aspects how you want hm to be..he is omnipotent(in your words only)..so he can have form if he wants.
Having form can not limit him to for a particular place..that is not good logic..and your logics will fail with GOD..he can have form and still present every where since he is omnipotent.
Instead of interpret the VEdas with your own fancies..surrender your ego to Almighty..he will let you know the truth about him.
“Purnamidam puranamadaha purnaath purnamudachyathe”
Hi All,
I am new to Agniveer.I had 2 questions, and would be gratefull if any one could answer.
1. In the entire post Ishwar is refered as “He”. How is this gender determined? If we are associating a human gender, does that not automatically get a form as well?
2. And as per Purusha suktha, it is that Purusha (meaning: that which dwells within body) is the universal force/energy or life. Am I correct here? Can you please point me to right book or link which gives me rational meaning of Purusha suktha.
Thanks
Sister Kavitha,
1.It does not matter whether God is referred as male or female.It varies upon the context of verses.To focus on specific attributes,both male and female gender are used which is to be taken symbollically.God is beyond gender and formless,omnipresent etc according to rational observations pointed out in the article.
2.In the below link,you can find the meaning of Purusha Sukta explained by a Vedic scholar:
http://agniveer.info/Thread-purush-sukta-rigveda-basis-of-case-system
Hope that answers the questions.
@Kavitha, a Vedic Dharmi should have greeted all with word “Namaste”. Meaning of the word “Purush” (Pri-to fill or sustain) =Pru Palanpuranayo: From this root the word “Purush” has come “Ya: Swavyapatya Characharam Jagat Prunati Purayati Va Sa Purush: | ” = is One who counts and classifies the material objects and souls.
To know more about Purusha Sukta, i would prefer you reading Maharshi Dayananda Saraswati’s book Introduction to Vedas or RigVedadiBhashyaBhumika http://agniveer.com/introduction-to-Vedas/ —The section named “SrushtiVidhyaVishay:” deals with Purush Sukta
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have a question why do you arya samaj say idol worship is wrong when they say god is everywhere he is even in a statue and other hindus dont worship the idol they make the idol god as he is everywhere?
Namaste NAshwin and Angira,
Thank you for the information and the links you provided. Will go through and get back in case of doubts.
Thanks.
agniveer i want to clear my doubt on god..
like you said ishwar should only be worhiped.. but why we cant worship him in any other form?.. like if we are worshiping him through an idol, but in our mind we know we are worshiping ishwar . everyone who worship him in any other form know he is worshiping ishwar. as you said ishwar is everywhere then why we ant worship him in a particular place.. like we have mandir in our home. we go and worship dere. its a place where we dont allow our mind to think any negative things. so the place automatically becomes PAVITRA or full of positive energies. we worship idols, why it is wrong? we are indirectly worshiping one and only ishwar. why he will mind if worship him through idols?. we know he is everywhere and in everything then whats the problem? and you also said he is every human being then why we cant worship him in form of krishna and ram.. they were more close to god coz of dere deeds..
and WHO ARE BRAHMA , VISHNU and MAHADEV according to vedas? they all are one or different ?is mahadev is not a god? or his stories we are listening from childhood are wrong? is this true story that mahadeva cut ganesha’s head? or ganesha is just the symbolic representation of gnani?
Explanation for Mahavishnu: The blue colour of Vishnu denotes the colour of the sky and ocean which means the infinity/ limitless. The serpent on which Vishnu is lying denotes the coiled structure of a galaxy. The name of the serpent anantha means limitless (infinity) the ksheera saagaram ( ocean of milk) on which Vishnu is pictured shows milky way galaxy. Anantha sayana represent the silent universe/ galaxies. Symbolically Mahalakshmi ( meaning of this word is prosperity) has been attributed the position of the wife of Mahavishnu showing that any system can smoothly exist only with prosperity.
From Mahavishnu comes out through a Lotus (symbolically) the creator Lord Brahma. This symbolically presents a connection of Lord Brahma with the prapancha purhsa similar to the connection of the baby in the womb of the mother. The baby takes the energy and nutrition for growing/ cell production from the mother. Similarly Lord Brahma takes energy and material from for creation in the world. The four heads of Lord Brahma represent the four axes required for any creation: x, y, z and time axes. The Vedas (the word itself means knowledge) in the hands of Lord Brahma and the position of Saraswathy (deity of knowledge) as the wife of the creator symbolically present that for every creation knowledge/ vidya is required. The knowledge and creation (knowledge for creation) are inseparable components.
Lord Siva is the deity symbolically presents the controller of death/ destruction (the destruction is for further construction). Mahavishnu and Lord Siva are said to be connected through hearts ( which only means inseparable) Vishnoasya hrudayam siva: Sivosya hrudayam vishno – says Upanishads and Yajurveda. Symbolically Lord Siva has powerful fire in the third eye, powerful water and torrential air symbolically tied in the tuft and the snake around the neck ( symbol of international medical association) and thri sool in hand. All the five respectively present destruction through fire, water (flood , etc) air ( cyclone/ tempest, etc) diseases and using weapons. Parvathy (means energy/force/sakti) is symbolically presented as the wife of Lord Siva . Through this combination of Lord Siva and Parvathy, it is shown that the destruction for construction can take place with powerful application of any one or more of the above five. (powerful fire, air, water, diseases and weapon only have the destruction capacity). Thus they become inseparable hence the concept of Ardhanaareeswara comes up. In fact the Brahma Vishnu Maheswara sankalpa and the Lakshmi Parvathy Sarswathi sankalpa are the symbolic presentation of the life cycle spiritual- social and physical level when scientifically explained. Always the Hindus consider the knowledge, prosperity and sakthi/power in feminine gender. These explanations (of the gods) are the connecting layers of Vedic and puranic concepts of gods.
Vigneswara having the shape of the cross section of human brain, worshipped as the Lord who removes/ protects from the hurdles in the life. Hurdles can be as huge as elephants and it can come from anywhere just like a rat (mooshika vaahana) comes.
Puranic stories can convey the in depth Vedic messages in simple ways. From the stories one can take the good and bad because the stories themselves give the answer for the reward for the good karma and punishment for the bad karma. From the stories we can easily get the messages for our life. So do not think that stories are histories, there may be historical facts and pure story factors in the puranaas. One should unwrap the stories and take the messages from it.
@mithya : Please read the satyaPrakash by Swami dayanand saraswati to get the actual and factual answers to these questions that you have asked, no some puranic justification, which in fact are the cause for all the deterioration and confusion in our socieity today.
okay hello guys, I was born as a Hindu and became so lost when i was small by accepting the fact that i have to worship idols and etc which doesn’t make sense at that time..infact my knowledge in Islam and Christianity was deeper compared to Hinduism because i did not have someone to teach me. Pandit chants all kind of mantras but never care to explain that to us but that’s not what i came here for. I’m an atheist now but i haven’t give up and then i found out that Hinduism is totally different to what others are following these days. Now i’m more eager than ever to learn about Hinduism but i have no sources here, is there any web or even link in this agniveer where i can learn Hinduism from A-Z. Thank you
thank you raj bro for explaining it very clearly. i didnt knew about it that deeply. it realy makes so much sense.. zakir naik is truely a brain washer. hope more hindus will learn hinduism from true source lyk aginiveer not from fake and liar zakir naik.
ankur bro will i get answer about idol worship too in satya prakash? is it a sin worshiping god through idols? what i think is, it will not make much difference. god wont get angry for such little things. idol worshis makes us feel lyk we personaly meating him and all the respect like doing aarti we are giving him through that means. he will see our intensions not presentation that how we are worshiping him.
Mitya – Thanks for reading the reply. As per my opinion Idol worship is not a sin.The main thing one need to understand is that idol worship is not worshiping the Idol but worshiping through the Idol. Respectable Swami Dayananda Saraswathi ,Agniveer and many of our friends here have a very different opinion in this. Great organizations like Arya Samaj is against Idol Worship on the other side most of our spiritual gurus are advising Idol Worship and the main reason they says is that it is difficult to imagine for a normal person with out an image. So you can also follow one method which seems more logical and applicable for you. It is completely my opinion.
@Mithya: you are right that God will not get angry or something like that by what a human does, as emotions like anger etc cannot be the traits or the almighty and allknowing.
The only thing that one does on the path of the spiritual practice is to “PROGRESS” towards the truth. The most commonly used argument in favour of Murti pujan is that a human mind needs someting to focus or concentrate on, which in itslef is a very ignorant and baseless statement brewing out of less understanding(ignorance) of the human mind, Noting focuses the human mind more than the breath(medium of the pran); One should read the patanjali yog sutras for the same.
The question to ask is why do we worship, is it for material growth or just out of love, i hope that if one is a trut devotee he/she would say out of love, now why is it necessary to have an image to have that love.All the murtis that are worshipped today in hinduism are either great historical figures or puranic inventions.
One has to understand when one RELIES on am image for that love, the mind manifest ideas to strengthen that feeling (that is the nature of the mind). for e.g. there are stories told that a bhakta was rejoicing,dancing,eating etc with vishnu/krishna etc, what is that, that is the manifestation of that indiviudal mind that has been woven to strengthen his/her association with the Image(Murti of his indiviudal deity),one must know that as long as one is associated his /her love with an image they will never ever grow or evolve on that path of the final truth i.e. total control on the mind,only when the mind is still the journey on the path of the truth begins. The nature of the mind to strengthen its existing belief system .
Om Shanti.
@Ankur
Case 1:
Be-friends with a non-Muslim or not?
Here’s some items of information regarding (5:51), kindly read.
As u r not ready to accept tafseer of Ibn-e-kaseer, thats alright but now if u read the verse within its context from (5:51) to (5:65), it’ll b clerified Allah forbade Muslims to have “Mawalat” with those who mock Islam.
According to Islam there r 4 kinds of relaionships with others.
Mawasat, Madarat, Mu’amlat & Mawalat – All these r Arabic words, I’ll explain their meanings in-shaa-Allah:
1) Mawasat: Kindness, just & fair act, good attitude. Mawasat with non-Muslims is allowed.
2) Madarat: Good attitude like with guests, b polite & civil, to do good or well , b courteous, to visit the sick, if earthquake occur in India or any non-Islamic country the Muslim countries should help non-Muslims. Madarat is allowed with non-Muslims too.
3) Mu’amlat: Trade, buying & selling , good behaviour just like with strangers if they need any kind of help, 4 example if they foget they way, Muslims should help them. Mu’amlat with non-Muslims is allowed.
4) Mawalat: patronage or close heartiest relationship, so deep love or hearty attachments that doesn’t let Muslims to practice
Islam, that force them to forget Allah’s commandmend & can’t b able to keep their faith pure . This is the main reason due to wich Mawalat with non-Muslims isn’t allowed, there r also many other reasons as r mentioned below:
1)They mock Islam therefore Mawalat isn’t allowed (4:139-140)
2) Wanna misguide us so Mawalat isn’t allowed (60:1-2)
3) Fight us, wanna heart us & whish ill to us, so Mawalat isn’t allowed (60:1-2) (60:9)
The word “Mawalat” is illusrtated by a simile “Batan” meaning “Razdar/trusty”. V Muslims can’t take them as Batan (3:118-120) because they can divulge a secret, the reasons r the same as mentioned above.
V shouldn’t sit with non-Muslims if they use foul language 4 Allah & Prophet (6:68)
Without any reason we should not sit with them & should avoid of their company; If one wanna sit within their company, there must b a reason 4 it; 4 example our purpose should b preaching of Islam or any other sensible reason must b there; not just 4 the sake of time passing, 4 absurd talks & 4 the wastage of time.
It’s Allah’s wisdom He bounds us within cerctain limits how to behave with non-Muslims, Allah is most wise & best planner (Quran), He knows what’s in the hearts of Non-Muslims better than we.
So V Muslims can’t take non-Muslims as a “wali” its plural is “awliya” . “Friendship” is not the exact translation of Arabic word “awliya” at all, because everyone has it’s own meaning of friendship.
Allah doesn’t forbade us to have just, kind & good attitude towards non-Muslims. This thing can b justified from Qur’anic verses & from a number of Hadiths. I’ll qoute a few of these, in-shaa-Allah!
Hadiths:
1) Buying & selling with non-Muslims is allowed. (Bukhari, vol. 1)
2) 1 ought to do good & b polite with a non-Muslim mother who hates Islam (Bukhari, vol.3)
3) 1 can visit the sick non-Muslim – Prophet did. (Bukhari, vol. 3)
4) The exchage of gifts among Muslims & non-Muslims, in order to establish peace, is allowed. Prohet did. (Bukhari, vol.2)
5) 1 can pray to Allah 4 the hidayah of non-Muslims – Prophet did. (Bukhari, vol.2)
6) During war one can’t burn non-Muslims but can use other methods of fighting (Bukhari, vol 2)
7) 1 should b courteous with a non-Muslim – Prophet did. (Bukhari, vol. 3)
8) The women & the children can’t b killed in war (Bukhari, vol.2)
9) It’s not allowed to kill an innocent Muslim (Bukhari)
Qur’anic verses:
1) “Mawalat” is not allowed but in order to spread peace “sulah” with non-Muslims is allowed. (8:61) (3:28)
2) 1 should b just & fair with a non-Muslim (5: 2 & 8) (16:126).
3) Killing of the innocent isn’t allowed (5:32)
4) Preach & argue with non-Muslims in the most gracious & best ways (16:125)
5) Do good or well with non-Muslims (60:8)
6) If any non-Muslim hurts unfairly a Muslim & instead of taking revenge he (Muslim) bear it with patience, Allah will b with him (16:126) Means Allah’ll reward such a muslim 4 his patience.
7) Do good with non-Muslim parents & help them in worldly tasks (29:8) (3:14-15)
8) Don’t abuse non-Muslims’ (suposedly) God, don’t insult their faith (6:108)
9) If they say anything wrong, in response Muslims should bear it with patience, ignore it & say them salam (peace) & say a very good thing (28:55) (25:63) (3:186) (23:96) (4:63) (50:39) (20:130).
What’s the definition of “friendship” in front of u? I think what Islam teaches us regarding our attitude towards non-Muslims is far better than “friendship”. Now it’s up to u either accept it or refute it, I’m not forcing u.
Case 2:
Regarding (7:11), I’ve found the reason 4 ‘ Allah ordered angels to prostrate to Adam’. Human beings r “Ashraful-Makhluqat” meaning “The most greatest of all the creatures of Allah”. Adam was 1st human being created by Allah, who was the greatest of all other creatures of the world i.e Angels, Jins & animals. Allah wanted to show the Angels & Jins that human beings r greater than both of them therefore Allah ordered them to prostrate to Adam. At that time animals were not created later on they were created, notice all animals bend while walking. So Allah ordered Angels & Iblis to prostrate to Adam but Iblis refused & claimed to b greater than Adam, proved his arrogancy & condemned by Allah. Understand?
I appreciate your willingness to show us the doubts about Islam without mocking Islam & without wishing ill to us. U can learn if u visit Islamic websites, instead of anti-Islamic as they spread lies about Islam.
Here’re some key points, if you’ve while analsing Qur’an, Allah’ll b with u in finding the true path:
1) While analysing Qur’an you shouldn’t b arrogant & shouldn’t b impenitent. (48:8)
2) Your aim shouldn’t to defeat Allah & Prophet (PBUH) but you should read Qur’an in quest of truth. (17:45-47) (22:51) (34:38)
4) should not b hypocrite, shouldn’t mock.
3) Should read Qur’an with knowledge (22:8), I mean to say, read the exact & correct translation & explanation or tafseer or history with the help of most authentic Hadiths.
May Allah b with you in finding the true path. Amen!
Some questions regarding your faith, make answers, thanks.
As u say that u believe in one God so tell me:
– What do you mean by “one God”?
– What’re the attributes of God as per Veda?
– Besides all such attributes which’re in Veda what’re the “additional” attributes of God as per “you” & how did you detect these? What’re the basis 4 it? Just imagination or anythingelse?
– Do you worship Idols?
– What’re “Idol + s = Idols” if God is one?
– Is there any logical reason due to which you worship Idols?
– (As the belief of a religious person is baised on his scripture) So how did you come to know that you should worship Idols? What’re the basis 4 it? Does Veda teach to worship Idols?
@ Agniveer
“He is omnipotent. But that does not mean He can do whatever He wants”
Re:
Vedic God is all powerful but can’t do anything he wants. Really? How? Don’t get. Elaborate, thanks.
“But He would act only as per His duties. For example, He will not kill Himself to create another Ishwar. He cannot make Himself an idiot. He cannot do theft or dacoity etc.”
Re:
Because He knows what He should do & what shouldn’t. As He is All knowing.
@Agniveer:
“Q: What does Ishwar want?
A: Ishwar wants bliss for all souls and wants them to achieve this bliss through deserving efforts purely on basis of merit.”
Re:
Yes. Thats what Allah wants. The difference is as per u one will get this bliss in 7 lives & as per Islam one’ll get this bliss in 2 lives i.e one is this life & the 2nd one is the life in the world hereafter.
“Q: Is Ishwar with form or formless?
A: He is formless as per Vedas and commonsense.”
Re:
What’re “Idol+s” then? If He is formless. Elaborate.
@Ankur
“He (God) knows everything”
Re:
So He knows all what human beings will do in their 7 lives. Then still He created them to let them from suffereing from trubles & trials. So can one say He is “Moody”?
I’m not saying that God is “Moody” I’m just asking. And I just say God can do anything He want as He is an Omnipotent being & He has a right to do so, none can restrict Him, All human beings are His slave.
@Maria
Sister as per Quran woman is half intelligent. Please first bring one more woman to post comment here then I will entertain you.
@Maria
____________I just say God can do anything He want________
Can Allah make stone too heavy to be lifted by him? Yes/No. Can Allah do this?
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__________What’re “Idol+s” then____________
Then Why does Allah love most Kaaba Idol.
@sanatan-adharmi, you have written..”@Maria
Sister as per Quran woman is half intelligent. Please first bring one more woman to post comment here then I will entertain you.”
where it is in quraN? what kind of aryasamji you are? you have said that bring one more more woman then i will entertain you and still you are asking questions to her? do you think that now she has gained full intellect? i think you have some serious problem….at one place you are saying that ishwara is creator and other place your cult claims that ishwara is not creator?
“@Maria
____________I just say God can do anything He want________
Can Allah make stone too heavy to be lifted by him? Yes/No. Can Allah do this?”
actually moolshankar followers have habit of repeating fooolish questions even answered so many times. dont you see that your question has no answer and has no role in human faith. is not enough that HE does what He wills nad He has power over all the things. there are so many attributes of Allah in quran collect all of them that what quran says about Allah then tell us that this concept is not best oncept for Allah.
where quran is claiming that Allah is interested to make in such a stone? if we say yes or no in both the case answer will be wrong because question is wrong.
@Anti-Agni
Indian legendary like Dayanand, Rama, Laxman, Krishna, Hanuman, Durga, etc. were worst people because they were not follower of prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Arbi legendary like prophet Mohammed and Arbi people are best creature of Allah. Indian language is worst. Arbi Language is best.
@sanatandharma:
Your words: “Can Allah make stone too heavy to be lifted by him? Yes/No. Can Allah do this?”
Re:
There’re certain attributes of Allah. On of theses attributes of Allah is He is All Powerful, He has power over all things (Qur’an).
So your quesn’t is senseless. Qur’an doesn’t say “Allah can do anything” BUT says “He can do anything He want”.
Your words:
____What’re “Idol+s” then___
Then Why does Allah love most Kaaba Idol.
Re:
1) That is not the answer to my question.
2) That’s white lie ;There’s no Idol in Kabah.
Qur’an doesn’t says woman’s “half” intellgent than a man but says she forgets things earlier than a man. Thats true. We Muslims women have courage to accept the truth. In some things man is greater than woman & in some things woman is greater than man. Thats true. For example you men have physical strength more than we (women).
Why don’t you come to the point & make proper & logical answers to my questions?
_____________He can do anything He want__________
If Allah wants to make a stone too heavy to be lifted by him, Can Allah make such a stone?
Your dirty words : “Please first bring one more woman to post comment here then I will entertain you.
Re:
You non-Muslims poke fun at Islam in order to entertain yourself.
No wonder non-Muslims hate Islam so none is forcing them to accept it so they should let us alone with our faith
But still they burn our Noble & Holy Qur’an, draw contemptible sketches, publish disgraceful cartoons & make contemptible films of our Bloved & Holy Prophet (PBUH), ditch The Noble Qur’an, tear its pages & dance over it while playing music, urinate over it, Hunh!
JUST TO ENTERTAIN THEMSELVES & TO INJURE THE FEELINGS OF MUSLIMS.
One can sense how much of frustrated they’re. They do so in the name of their so-called freedom of expression just 4 the sake of enjoyment & to njure the feelings of Muslims but still they can’t b extreamist right, but Muslims’ll b extreamist if they go on riots by using their right of freedom of expression in order to defend their faith; While this riot will b just a reaction to their inhuman & blasphemous actions. How much of unfair & unjust they’re?
It’s not bad if Islam allows death penalty 4 such rebellious people, as they cross the limits.
Just ask yourself !
How can one dare to do such blasphemous acts with a God’s book?
Y should Allah give paradise to such rebellious people?
Y should Allah like such acts?
Y shouldn’t Allah-Subhana-Wa-Ta’ala allow death penalty 4 such a rebellious person?
He is the Greatest & an Omnipotent being, He has a right to issue such a law.
It’ll injure the feelings of Muslims in millions & millions if only one non-Muslim does so; So if such a person is put to death, none’ll dare to do so again.
The cry of peace willn’t b a far cry if they stop doing so. Allah wants us to b peaceful, therefore, He issued such a law.
Allahu-Akbr!
@Maria : well well well. You are a true Muslim now for sure.good going.brain shunted and thinking crippled.
How can one dare to do such blasphemous acts with a God’s book?
Who said its God’s Book and what special is there in it??
Dont your see you are talking on Behalf of Allah?
@Ankur
Your words : “well well well. You are a true Muslim now for sure.good going.brain shunted and thinking crippled.”
Re: And what about yourself? Perhaps you have forgoten your way of debating. Now you just looks like other hatemongers.
Your words: Who said its God’s Book and what special is there in it??
Re: The fact is that you’re still an ignorant, sorry but you’re therefore you dont know but QURAN IS GOD’S/ALLAH’S BOOK.
You pasted my words to fit them into your mean “How can one dare to do such blasphemous acts with a God’s book?”
Re: The point I made was just that if someone do such blasphemous acts with a God’s book” & God allows death penalty 4 such a rebellious then none can object to it because God is omnipotent & He has a right to issue such a law. You dont believe in Allah okay to whomever u worship , Will u allow other to do such BLASPHEMOUS ACTS with your religious book. Definitely u’ll not do if you’re true to your faith.
All your questions doesn’t seem to be from a logical person like u seem to b , I’ve explained very well the whole concept regarding befriends with non-muslim or nor but now you come up with many other things.
@Maria : Nice good going. you have frnds posting for you. Habit of Muslims.
I give up , you are right about all you said. thx for such words of wisdom.
You words: If Allah wants to make a stone too heavy to be lifted by him, Can Allah make such a stone?
Re: Plain & simple Allah don’t want in any way (Quran). He has power over all things (Quran). None is greater than Allah. (Quran). Its not possible.
@Maria
You are wrong Allah can do anything whatever he wants. If Allah will wish to make a stone too heavy to be lifted by him, he can make such a stone. Nothing is impossible for Allah. Allah is not like Arya Samaji God who can not make such a stone.
@Slave of Prophet (SWA):
Yor words: “You are wrong Allah can do anything whatever he wants. If Allah will wish to make a stone too heavy to be lifted by him, he can make such a stone. Nothing is impossible for Allah. ”
Re: No I’m not wrong. Allah has power over all things(Qur’an ), Why ‘ll He create such a stone which’d b out of his power , in other words Allah’ll not have a control over the stone (Na’ozubillah). Allah don’t wanna create a thing greater than Him, It’s not possible. I think He can’t create even. He can’t create another being like Him or greater than Him.
Quran doesn’t say He can do anything. Quran says He does anything He want. And Allah don’t wanna create another being like Him because He knows He cannot. He has power over all such things which are in present in the universe, because everything in the universe is created by Him. Understan?
@slave of prophet, you are right my brother but see what this agniveer is doing with aryasamaj….he has deleted the pages of satyarth prakash which were related to n-i-y-o-g and if you write any comment related to it then he delete these comments.
do you know my basic teaching is n-i-y-g and this filthy agniveer is deleting and banning this word. you look to be sensible person so please explain what is n-y-o-g.-.
please truth sicker please..
@Moolshanker
Moolshanker was worst person. He defamed our great Islamic prophet Mohammed (SAW) who taught the world how to keep child wife and how to manage multiple wives. My prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was merciful enough that he killed only male person who used to bow before stones/idols and he made sex slave their women. Prophet Mohammed also taught many thing like how can we produce children from slaves women. Prophet Mohammed taught us woman is half intelligible and she need to bring one more woman as witness as to be equal to one man.
About me
मे इस्लाम मे पूरी आस्था र्रखता हू! मैने पगांबेर का अनुसरण करते हुये 55 वर्ष की आयु मे 6 वर्ष की कन्या से विवहा किया और और उसके 9 वर्ष का हो जाने पर उससे सेक्स किया! मेरे प्रॉफेट ने भी 54 वर्ष की आयु मे 9 वर्ष की आइसा से सेक्स किया था! मैने आपने बेटे की बहू भौ से भी सेक्स किया जैसे प्रॉफेट ने अपने बेटे की बहू जेनाब से किया था! मे अँपने जीवन मे पूरी तरह से प्रॉफेट के कदमो पर चलने के कोशिश करता हू
@false slave of prophet. y u have forgotten n-i-y-0g?????
Hahaha.
if u are real slave then u have to explain it and y agniveer deleted pages of satyarhprakash related ro it.???? Phans gaya bachu
@anti-agni
Please do not talk of Kufr. Dayanand was Kufr. I am followers of prophet (Mohammed). Allah will punish them Hindu and Arya Samaji for not getting worship from them.
@Anti-Agni
Please do not talk of Kufr. Dayanand was Kufr. I am follower of prophet (Mohammed). Allah will punish them Hindu and Arya Samaji for not getting worship from them.
About me
मे इस्लाम मे पूरी आस्था र्रखता हू! मैने पगांबेर का अनुसरण करते हुये 55 वर्ष की आयु मे 6 वर्ष की कन्या से विवहा किया और और उसके 9 वर्ष का हो जाने पर उससे सेक्स किया! मेरे प्रॉफेट ने भी 54 वर्ष की आयु मे 9 वर्ष की आइसा से सेक्स किया था! मैने आपने बेटे की बहू भौ से भी सेक्स किया जैसे प्रॉफेट ने अपने बेटे की बहू जेनाब से किया था! मे अँपने जीवन मे पूरी तरह से प्रॉफेट के कदमो पर चलने के कोशिश करता हू
@false slave. y all aryasamajis so much scared from n-i-y-o-g main teaching of veda and ur guru????
Y agniveer deleted those pages related o n-i-y-g?
If you can’t talk on ur belief then y are you here? It is a vedic site and we cant discuss islam here..discussion of islan is banned…you cab urself think that y should aryasamajis be interested in islam or quran or prophet Muhammad s.a.w???
So restrict urself to n- i -yo- g? Hahaha if you wabt to discuss. islam go to islamic site of irf!!!! P
@anti-agni
Why do you call me false slave of beloved prophet Mohammed (SAW)? What wrong I am doing which is against Islam. I daily recite Kalama all 5 times to please Allah. Allah will punish you to harass a believer like me. I think Agniveer deleted the pages because he would have thought it is not good as Agniveer already said That his belief is
Yajurved 19.77
All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
And
About me (Me Slave of prophet)
मे इस्लाम मे पूरी आस्था र्रखता हू! मैने पगांबेर का अनुसरण करते हुये 55 वर्ष की आयु मे 6 वर्ष की कन्या से विवहा किया और और उसके 9 वर्ष का हो जाने पर उससे सेक्स किया! मेरे प्रॉफेट ने भी 54 वर्ष की आयु मे 9 वर्ष की आइसा से सेक्स किया था! मैने आपने बेटे की बहू भौ से भी सेक्स किया जैसे प्रॉफेट ने अपने बेटे की बहू जेनाब से किया था! मे अँपने जीवन मे पूरी तरह से प्रॉफेट के कदमो पर चलने के कोशिश करता हू
@maria… sister this filthy false slave is deceiving by pretending as Muslim so we have to be careful in answering him…..
@false slave, if u r not false then y are u replying ? Hahaha
now u come that main theory of moolshankar of n-i_y-o-g is false….wow i pray that you discover in your life that. not only ni–yg but also veda and aryasamaj is false..
what about that an aryasamaji can only 10 times meet in their whole married life….you just ask any doctor or any commons man thatt is possible ? How could you get putra then? Only using n-iy-o-g.
what about an aryasamaji woman can’t feed her child with her milk but she has to wax coat the nipple so that milk should not come out(satyarth praksh)
@anti-agni
Hey man why do you call me false salve of holy prophet? What I wrong you found in me. I believe Islam is only true religion. I believe in ghost, Jinn etc Kayamat Day, miracles, prophet Mohammed etc. I believe Allah will punish eternally to non-believers for not getting worship from them. I believe I will get 72 virgins in heaven & I recite Kalama also daily.
Please bring in my notice where I am wrong, I will correct my self.
I am a true slave of prophet.
About me (Me Slave of prophet)
मे इस्लाम मे पूरी आस्था र्रखता हू! मैने पगांबेर का अनुसरण करते हुये 55 वर्ष की आयु मे 6 वर्ष की कन्या से विवहा किया और और उसके 9 वर्ष का हो जाने पर उससे सेक्स किया! मेरे प्रॉफेट ने भी 54 वर्ष की आयु मे 9 वर्ष की आइसा से सेक्स किया था! मैने आपने बेटे की बहू भौ से भी सेक्स किया जैसे प्रॉफेट ने अपने बेटे की बहू जेनाब से किया था! मे अँपने जीवन मे पूरी तरह से प्रॉफेट के कदमो पर चलने के कोशिश करता हू
@false slave. y are u responding if you are not false slave? Are you result of n-i-y-o-g ?
You said that you have done sex with ur daughter in law. and for ur kind information it is haram in islam and punishable crime and if are married 55 yrs old old crook then your punishment is stone to death .
now if you are real slave then go and request to muslim community that give you death punishment. ok byee and never comment again…go and take your punishment. hate monger aryasamaji devilish monster.
@anti-agni
Helo Mr. I am on the path of prophet. Prophet is my ideal. My prophet (SAW) did marry with Zainab who was his daughter in law. So, by marrying with daughter in law i followed the prophet. Other Muslim also should follow the same. My Grand father also was follower of prophet he also did marry with a girl 8 years old at the age of 81.
About me (Me Slave of prophet)
मे इस्लाम मे पूरी आस्था र्रखता हू! मैने पगांबेर का अनुसरण करते हुये 55 वर्ष की आयु मे 6 वर्ष की कन्या से विवहा किया और और उसके 9 वर्ष का हो जाने पर उससे सेक्स किया! मेरे प्रॉफेट ने भी 54 वर्ष की आयु मे 9 वर्ष की आइसा से सेक्स किया था! मैने आपने बेटे की बहू भौ से भी सेक्स किया जैसे प्रॉफेट ने अपने बेटे की बहू जेनाब से किया था! मे अँपने जीवन मे पूरी तरह से प्रॉफेट के कदमो पर चलने के कोशिश करता हू
@hate monger aryssamaji moolshankar slave devlish monster truth sicker. y are u not posting these days as truth seeker??? Where he has gone?
You are wrong that zainab was sister in law prophet…..according to islamiic law which prophet wad spreading there was no law for adoption so according to law zaid r.a was not son of prophet and so zainab r.a can never be. daughter in law so your moolsjankar’s allegation is wrong .
so what you have done is punishable crime according to islamic law….so yo have to accept death punishment .
now what about n-i-y0-g? Are u result of yhat because ur father can’t produce u and ur brother/sister. in only 10 shots so hhe has to take help of n-yg.
@anti-agni
Thanks 4 informing me.
pecace be on you.
@maria. these aryasamajis are blockhead persons…their allegations have been answered so many times still they are busy maligning islam…
you can continue your duty of propagation of islam but just keep in mind that are not truth seekers or innocents persons but they malign islam because it is favourate business of moolshankar.
@Anti-agni
At the time of prophet (PBUH) there were also such rebellious people but Prophet kept on his duty. Quran says our purpose is just to tell them the truth, we will b rewarded for our good deeds, & on the day of Qayamah they’ll not be able to blame anyone & definitely they’ll regret if they dont accept the truth.
@Ankur
Your words : “a lot of change in your attitude”
Re: Nah! a little bitter. I realize if one is not offensive with you, then you shouldn’t too & another thing all non-Muslims’re not same. & Allah wants us to b patient. But gussa to ata he hay jb log bura kerty hain definitely.
Your words: It’s not allowed to kill an innocent Muslim (Bukhari) – what about innocent non Muslim?
Re: Innocent non-Muslims? Whom r you talking about? When did Allah says to kill the innocent?
Your words: Quran 17.47 “And we have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Qur’an, they turn back in aversion.”
Re: This is 4 those who’re rebellious, who mock Islam 4 the sake of amusement in the name of their so-called freedom of expression & in fact wanna injure the feelings of Muslims & who read Qur’an in order to defeat Allah & Prophet not 4 the search of truth; just spread lies about Islam & neglect the true meanings & fit the meanings of verses into their mean – One can analyse any text without mocking & without wishing ill to others but their arrogancy doesn’t let them to do so, who remain arrogant & impenitent while analysing Quran.
(Quran 8:23)==>If Allah had found in them any good, He would indeed have made them listen; (as it is) if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined (faith).
Your words: how does tearing a book become inhuman?
Re: How can u neglect all other things I typed? I said they tear Qur’anic pages then urinate & dance over it while playing music(American soldiers did so) . A retional man will never do so; Will you like to do so? They kknow Quran is Muslims’ Most Sacred & Holy book but still they do so to injure the feelings of Muslims, so it’s inhuman.
Yes one shoulsn’t b biased.
You quoted: Quran 48:8 Indeed, We have sent you as a witness and a bringer of good tidings and a warner.
Re: So? What do u want to tell you? Don’t get.
Your words: what if he a good person does charitable deeds.
Re: (Quran 8:23)==>If Allah had found in them any good, He would indeed have made them listen; (as it is) if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined (faith).
Your words :”Quran 22:51 (that you misquoted)”
Re: Nah! I gave u the whole concept. You seem to be biased completely.
Good to hear you don’t worship idols &believe in One God. So u dont do shirk, Allah forgives everyone besides the one who commit shirk (Quran)
@Ankur
Your words:
“Women are comparable to Dogs (Sahih Bukhari 1:9:490, Sahih Muslim 4:1032)Women are mere possessions (Sahih Bukhari 3:34:264) Women are to be treated as sexual objects (Sahih Bukhari 6:60:402)”
Re:
Give me links.
@Ankur:
Your words: That’s ● ● ● Why the female gets 100 lashes because she couldn’t prove that she was raped)
Wrong. If a women is raped she don’t get 100 lashes. She will get hundered lashes if she willingly have illicit relation with others.
@aryasamaj, you have propagated on your fb page that Zakir naik questioned ganesha the elephant head and shiva so he is terrorist and your Moolshankar has abused every religion, religious personalities, hindus, jains, budhus so what about him? he was biggest terrorist…p
@false slave, how filthy dirty hate monger you are a ‘true liar’ characteristic feature to become aryasamaji, you have written……… “id? I am not talking my grant father marriage with daughter -in-law.” you earlier words “मैने आपने बेटे की बहू भौ से भी सेक्स किया ”
you can read here http://agniveer.com/vedic-god/#comment-26186 and see your foolishness and filth. now will you have courage to get rajam punishment? hate monger you can see that “And say, “Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart.”” quran 17:81
these are the signs of Allah which He is showing you in thsi world and you have chance to accept Islam.
@hinduagnostic:
Have you read the whole Veda?
Can you tell me?
How much of peaceful Veda is?
Make answer (if you can) without supplying me any link.
@maria, no one can read whole veda because they dont know what is veda, those four books are not veda but real knowledge is veda, truth is veda and I dont who will decide what is truth ie veda?
at agniveer no one can say that yes I have read whole veda , you canask as many times as you want.
best of luck
@Maria (IslamaicTaqiyayist) (Taqiya-Lie permitted for Muslims in Quran for converting non Muslims Q: 66:2 & many more)
Allah of Quran orders Muslim males to perform must do sex with slave girls. Quran 4:24 And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess…
Dear Sophisticated Taqiyayist, Adam-Eve theory is already proven joke & top fiction by modern science as it is impossible event that humanity would have born from single pair of males & females since we can see various human races of different color black, white, chinese, indo-aryan, mongol etc. Go to any biologist they will reply you that all these people cant have same father & mother , there is different set of DNA structure in each of ancestors of these races. so at time of human inception there would have been various human races both males & females not like one male & female as what mythological Adam-Eve story says.
By the way, you dont have to worry about defending that as it is job of Biblical scholar, Author of Quran has just copied it from bible like many other fictions. By the way Adam-eve theory if represented as historical point of view then only found in full context in Bible in Genesis, which gives absurd history that the garden in which Adam & even were trolling was near Genesis 2:14 And the name of the third river is Tigris, which goes to the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates. So according to absurd Abrahmic religions god created first Tigres river of Mesopotamia which is wrong as first rivers were in India, china, pakistan etc. from mountain of Himalaya the oldest one on the earth.
Quran just copied it so be relax , it is not your responsibility to defend that Adam-eve fiction , let some Evangelist come to defend it.
This site is about sanatan dharma,not islam.
Let us not lose focus, amd remeber Hinduism is a pluralistic faith ie recognises different faiths, as we are all not robots.
Anti hindu muppets can never answer:
1) saying god resides in hearts of all beings
2) Karma Yoga-selfless service without expectation of rewards
3) Jai Mata di, clear gender equality in scriptures, if not why are they female froms of god, , no answer that s right
@Vicjags,
You say
“EFFECTS OF READING SCIENCE FROM AGNIVEER SITE ”
I challenge you to prove whether what i said was copy-paste from Agniveer site or was even referring to arguments made by Agniveer in any of numerous article in this site. I thought it my self that what would have been different viewpoint or possible event in human inception apart from traditional & orthodox viewpoint held by both scientific & creationist world. Do not make judgmental statements about which you do not have sufficient background knowledge. If you want to know what hinduism position on evolution is , read my this recent comment in reply to another cannibal eater http://agniveer.com/vedic-god/#comment-26646
You say ” We are saying that both bacteria and Human being evolved from the same ancestor.. In fact even plants and animals (which FYI includes humans too) share the same genetic precursor.” //////////////////// No one is going to believe in this fiction without sufficient evidences. Produce some evidence (Please not by forgery or by manufacturing some Human like ape skeletons in laboratory like evolutionists did in past) for transitional fossils of evolution of fish & how it came out of water?
FYI, i do not want any lecture series or copy-pasted terms from evolution sites but clear & objective specific reply. ———————————————————————————————————————————————–I do not want to read the hazardous & unclear,confusing scriptures like New Testament which is not sure about fundamental event which is base of the entire religion “Crucifiction of Jesus”–In Jerusalem or in Rome –here is confusion–Matthew 27:55-56 -And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.—-says that it was in Jerusalem while this refers to great city of Rome where crucifiction happened–Revelations 11:8–And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. ———————————————————————————————————————————————–You say “Actually in technical terms, inter racial variations are nothing but a product of micro evolutionary changes which are so common in plant and animal species and random genetic mutations occur all the time and extremely common in plant kingdom.. I have never heard anyone deny such micro evolutionary changes…”— I have not denied micro evolution changes, what i am denying is evolution from species to another set of species–. i.e. from ape to human, because i do not believe in fiction as rational person when transitional fossil evidences are null in support to an imaginary scientific novel & at the same time i have an idea that even humans or other animals, plants might be having multiple ancestors, moreover i reject even contradictions & unclear writings such as Christian Gospels as i exemplified .
@TO ALL MEMBERS IN FORUM , see how dishonest Evangelists & Taqiyayists run away when their bogus scriptures are put under slightest scrutiny. Just one simple fundamental question about christian theology & Evangelist is down!!! WOW————————————————————————
When Xtian could not find a single reference to Agniveer articles to what i said, he brought that false analogy between my response to Maria & Debunking Atheism articles of Agniveer. Any intellectual person can check those articles & compare it to my reply to Maria whether i borrowed idea from them or was it completely innovative! Since i have read all those articles long ago, i did not have them even in mind while responding to Maria. BTW what he “responded” to my challenge shows how ignorant the POPE is at intellectual level, what he quoted was Agniveer’s explanation of how funny & crazzy, illogical,irrational Atheism is if it is seen in its full context. Moreover Agniveer also wrote about common ancestor theory of Atheism in order to criticize it in its full context, while what i typed was not about common ancestor at all but about possible human inception events might have happened with multiple ancestors.————————————-So I Thank him to show ignorance & dishonesty of dumb Christians, i am sure rational & righteous persons would take their evidences from here onwards how pseudo-intellectuals these Xtians are & what danger our Mother India has got from such people!.—————————————————————————————————-
For one christian intellect this might be unacceptable as what Jesus taught them was like only christian can get salvation & non-christians(Heathen) will burn in eternal hell. (Still they preach Jesus loves you!!!) This is what we believe,
Yajur Veda 40.7
Yasmintsarvaani bhutaanyaatmaivaabhuudvijaanatah
Tatra ko mohah kah shokah ekatvamanupasyatah
Yajurveda 40.7
“Those who see all beings as souls do not feel infatuation or anguish at their sight, for they experience oneness with them”—– so i dont believe that Mongoloid, Caucasian and Negroid are apes but i believe that they are humans.Anyway my point was not at all in direction of whether these races were humans or not, i only made a statement about multiple ancestors of humans. It is understandable when one gets owned in forum of such a worldwide famous site, then start to put words in mouth of opponent.
While I agree with Vicjag to the extent that one must learn science from proper and authentic sources, he needs to be reminded that most of the charlatans that he talks about come from Christian backgrounds who tirelessly try to justify the existence of giants, angels, demons, etc., reject the established norms of scientific study and suggest nonsensical ones, recast and distort history to fit into their ideological mold, produce fake archaeological evidences. Mac was one of them. And this hypocrite applauded Mac for his efforts (of trying to fool others) at bringing the message of the gospel to the Hindus.
Where was Jesus crucified? Rome or Jerusalem.
@TO ALL MEMBERS IN FORUM , see how dishonest Evangelists & Taqiyayists run away when their bogus scriptures are put under slightest scrutiny. Just one simple fundamental question about christian theology & Evangelist is down!!! WOW————————————————————————
When Xtian could not find a single reference to Agniveer articles to what i said, he brought that false analogy between my response to Maria & Debunking Atheism articles of Agniveer. Any intellectual person can check those articles & compare it to my reply to Maria whether i borrowed idea from them or was it completely innovative! Since i have read all those articles long ago, i did not have them even in mind while responding to Maria. BTW what he “responded” to my challenge shows how ignorant the POPE is at intellectual level, what he quoted was Agniveer’s explanation of how funny & crazzy, illogical,irrational Atheism is if it is seen in its full context. Moreover Agniveer also wrote about common ancestor theory of Atheism in order to criticize it in its full context, while what i typed was not about common ancestor at all but about possible human inception events might have happened with multiple ancestors.————————————-So I Thank him to show ignorance & dishonesty of dumb Christians, i am sure rational & righteous persons would take their evidences from here onwards how pseudo-intellectuals these Xtians are & what danger our Mother India has got from such people!.—————————————————————————————————-
For one christian intellect this might be unacceptable as what Jesus taught them was like only christian can get salvation & non-christians(Heathen) will burn in eternal hell. (Still they preach Jesus loves you!!!) This is what we believe,
Yajur Veda 40.7
Yasmintsarvaani bhutaanyaatmaivaabhuudvijaanatah
Tatra ko mohah kah shokah ekatvamanupasyatah
Yajurveda 40.7
“Those who see all beings as souls do not feel infatuation or anguish at their sight, for they experience oneness with them”—– so i dont believe that Mongoloid, Caucasian and Negroid are apes but i believe that they are humans.Anyway my point was not at all in direction of whether these races were humans or not, i only made a statement about multiple ancestors of humans. It is understandable when one gets owned in forum of such a worldwide famous site, then start to put words in mouth of opponent.
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Vedic God is not a separate entity. He’s not the God of Islam or Christianity. Vedic God is simply the self, aatman. He’s idnetical with your Self. The supreme consciousness that is the essence of all creation.
The entire existence, living and non living are the manifestation of this God. So you don’t even have to worship this God because he is you. Because nothing else exists except God. So right and wrong, good and evil aren’t absolute. Understand your Self and you’d understand the Vedic God.
ishwar is god quantum particle omnipresent,omniscient.