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Arya Ashfaqullah Khan – our role model

Sanjeev Newar
By Sanjeev Newar
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

मौत और ज़िन्दगी है दुनिया का सब तमाशा,
फरमान कृष्ण का था, अर्जुन को बीच रन में|
– अशफाक

Scene 1:
A youth was lying semi-conscious on floor uttering only ‘Hey Ram’, ‘Hey Ram’ after a stroke. People gathered around trying to revive him wondering why a devout worshipper of Allah was uttering name of Ram in such a stage! One of his friends knew the mystery and immediately brought his ‘Ram’ on scene. Only then did the young man obtain some peace and got back to life. Such was his love for Ram Prasad Bismil – the legendary mentor of a whole generation of patriotic revolutionaries. The young man was none other than Bismil’s alter-ego Ashfaqullah Khan.
Scene 2:
A gang of fanatics entered Arya Samaj, Shajhahanpur to kill Bismil. Ashfaqullah was also there. Immediately he stood up and took the leader of the gang at gun-point. He threatened to kill him if they did not go back. He said – To bring damage to Bismil, you will have to first kill me.
Scene 3:
Ram Prasad Bismil was a devout Hindu. Ashfaq was from a conservative Muslim family. But Ashfaq was resolved to win trust and heart of Bismil. Bismil did avoid him in beginning but that could not deter Ashfaq. He knew that true worship of Allah exists only in Vedas. And for Ashfaq, that road to Vedic worship passed through Bismil – the tejasvi Brahmchari who epitomized Tawheed.
Eventually they became so close that they used to eat from same plate and Ashfaq spent more time with Bismil than his own home. Who bothers about religions when friendship is built on basis of patriotism! The two legends together, in a way, shaped the destiny of future freedom movement.
Scene 4:
After being captured, a policeman asked Ashfaq – “Why are you working with Hindus to bring down British Empire? After all you are a Muslim.” Ashfaq replied promptly:

“Because Hindu Rashtra would be way better than British Empire!”

These are not scenes from a fictitious film but true incidents from life of one of the greatest patriots to have taken birth – Ashfaqullah Khan. While the world may have forgotten him and even Muslim leaders desist from highlighting this freedom fighter, he remains our role model.
– He was the first Muslim to willingly sacrifice his life at the gallows for sake of motherland. All at a tender age of 27. He writes that he was proud to be the first Muslim to do so and be first Muslim in his generations to serve the motherland.
It is time that our Muslim community gives birth to many such Ashfaqs and Hindu community gives birth to many Bismils who work together with them.
– He promised his mentor Ram Prasad Bismil to live and die with him. Eventually that became true and both great legends were hanged within a day on December 18 and 19, 1927.
– He was a true icon of Hindu-Muslim solidarity. His religion never forced him to curse an Arya Samaji – a critic of Islam – to eternal Hell. On contrary, the truthfulness and high character of Bismil made him consider Bismil as his role model and elder brother, much more dearer than his own family.
The great hero however had a very disappointing end. He was eventually captured by British because a Pathan befriended him in name of same ideology, and then informed police out of greed.
Today most Muslim organizations and leaders shy away from taking even his name. Zakir Naik will never praise Ashfaq for his sacrifice and patriotism. On contrary these perverts would believe that he might deserve Hell for doing the Shirk of writing poems on having soil of motherland even in grave, or being more closer to Arya Samaj than the mosque.
These fake leaders and representatives of Islam are acting like the treacherous Pathans for the Ashfaqs among the Muslim population. And thus Ashfaquallah Khan – one of the greatest patriots ever born in this country – is a forgotten name.
We wish that instead of terrorists like Joker Naik, such great legends like Ashfaq become the role models for Muslim youth. Agniveer is committed to revive the era of Ashfaq and Bismil and work among our Muslim brothers and sisters to nurture many more Ashfaqs that not only make Muslim community but entire humanity proud. And also expose the frauds who want to cheat Ashfaqs of today for their petty greed.
For Agniveer, such jewels like Ashfaq are true Hindus and true Muslims who exemplify by noble deeds. We don’t care about theological beliefs on unknown.
Our humblest salute to the legacy of legendary Ashfaq – a true Arya.
Vande Mataram!
Some great thoughts of Ashfaq:
कुछ आरजू नहीं है, है आरजू तो यह
रख दे कोई ज़रा सी खाके वतन कफ़न में|
ए पुख्तकार उल्फत हुसियार, डिग ना जाना,
मराज आशकां है इस दार और रसन में|
मौत और ज़िन्दगी है दुनिया का सब तमाशा,
फरमान कृष्ण का था, अर्जुन को बीच रन में|
– Ashfaq considered Krishna as his role model.
– Is this the reason why Ashfaq is not highlighted by representatives of Islam like Zakir Naik?
न कोई इंग्लिश है न कोई जर्मन,
न  कोई रशियन है न कोई तुर्की|
मिटाने वाले हैं अपने हिंदी,
जो आज हमको मिटा रहे हैं||
– Again it is evident that Ashfaq considered English, Turks etc as foreigners and wanted to live, die and complain only for natives of the motherland.
बुजदिलो को ही सदा मौत से डरते देखा,
गो कि सौ बार उन्हें रोज़ ही मरते देखा|
मौत से वीर को हमने नहीं डरते देखा,
मौत को एक बार जब आना है तो डरना क्या है,
हम सदा खेल ही समझा किये, मरना क्या है|
वतन हमेशा रहे शादकाम और आज़ाद,
हमारा क्या है, अगर हम रहे, रहे न रहे||
– What could depict greater love for beloved motherland! Hats off to the great poet cum patriot! May my motherland give birth to many such Ashfaqs.
For more details, refer:
1. Autobiography of Bismil
2. Biography of Ashfaqullah Khan
3. Google Book
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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341 COMMENTS

  1. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    Sorry for late reply, as technical problem in internet.
    This Verse you mentioned is from Chapter 18, Verse 62 of Bhagwat Geeta.
    O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode.
    This is very simple that Bhagwan Krsna points Arjuna out about “HIMSELF” by different Pronouns and Nouns not by “Him” and “His” only but also by following:
    “ME”
    “I”
    “Universe”
    “Water”
    “Fire”
    “Ocean”
    “Time”
    “Past”
    “Present”
    “Future”
    “Creation”
    “Annihilation”
    “Super Soul”
    “Supreme Being”
    and many more.

  2. All the Pronouns and Nouns are relative of un manifested knowledge of Eshwar.
    So, the Bhagawat Geeta is a Knowledge of all Educations as described in a Poetical Language in Supreme Song, one should understand it philosophically, I mean with the Love of Wisdom.
    Even in the following Verse Baghwan Krsna also says in Bhagwat Geeta that I am Arjuna too. Please see as under:
    Chapter 10, Verse 37.
    Of the descendants of Vrsni I am Vasudeva, and of the Pandavas I am Arjuna. Of the sages I am Vyasa, and among great thinkers I am Usana.
    Also see below Verse is for your info:
    Chapter 8, Verse 4.
    Physical nature is known to be endlessly mutable. The universe is the cosmic form of the Supreme Lord, and I am that Lord represented as the Super soul, dwelling in the heart of every embodied being.

  3. Dear Abdullah, please read complete “Bhagwat Geeta” you will find really a GYAN- “KARAM YOGA”, BHAKTI YOGA & SPIRITUAL TRANSCENDENTAL” not Stories & rules of FEARS as Mohammed (Human) mentioned in Quran.
    Mohammed knew that if I proclaim myself as Allah or God, People of Madina and Mecca will never follow my rules imposed in Quran, so he used Elah(Deity) as Allah as un manifested God without proper understanding of Spiritual Knowledge of God.
    This proves from Muslims’ first KALMA———– There is no god but Allah, And Mohammed is His Last Prophet.
    Why is Mohammed a source (object) in between a Common Devotee and God to believe in Allah?
    If I say, there is no god but Krsna, And Arjuna is His Last Messenger———– Then how you feel. That shows mono political, isn’t it?

    • @ Jay , there is a different Kalma for Shias———- There is no god but Allah, And Mohammed is His Last Prophet and Ali is a friend of Allah. The hiprocritic muslims will keep associating people with God and claim God doesnt like partners …..Super hiprocracy

  4. We Hindus, believe that Arjuna may be in thousands like you, Pradeep, Deepak, Agniveer , Forooq, Amir, Mohammed and me all are who can question Eshwar / Allah in the same manner as Arjuna raised questions to Bhagwan Krsna. This act of Bhagwat Geeta dialogues between God and a Devotee, is a Supreme Example for all mankind.
    Similarly, first Kalma was a mono poly which governed by a human 1400years ago which became a faith of Muslims over time. Pure faith is always believed in General not selective.

  5. Krsna alone declared, I am every thing, I am Supreme Being, I am God as He mentions at many places in Bhagwat Geeta.
    Even though He knew, He is in Human Form in front of Arjuna, But He never cares because Krsna knows I am True to My Words. God never betrays.
    God does not need any selective Prophet Centered to be implemented with the worship of Allah.
    He directly reveals Himself to those who love Him without any material desires.
    I am proud of being Hindu that we have a vast and deep gyan (knowledge).
    We Hindus believe, any body can sit in meditation with peace of mind and can experience God. He will reveal to you the way one believes Him.
    Even a Muslim can meditate sitting in Yoga to have revelation from God without the name of Mohammed.

  6. God has not stopped His Gracious Revelations after one man Mohammed. Even the revelation said by Mohammed’s Quran is also fake revelation upon Mohammed.
    There was no vision happened upon Mohammed from Real God. Mohammed copied others surrounding faiths and some of his own rules mingled in Quran.
    It is like I buy a collection of books from market and I write my own book taking advices from experienced writers and launched it with New Brand Name- Quran – Islam.
    The same think Mohammed did. He took advices from experienced Brahma Gyani People- Jews- Christians whatever surrounding material the best he could collect he did and finally he started attacking over Madinian and Meccanian people initially with his team by means of new revelation of Islam through home made book of Quran.
    You can observe that many of similarities seems altered in Quran which was originally through Vedas, Torahs and Bible.

  7. If Muslims think to get Janat is Final Destination as lolly pop brain washed by Mohammed, then it is blunder of Muslim Ummah.
    Greed is a Curse & Janat is Greed.
    Don’t you think you can make this Earth Heaven by your Actions, why doesn’t a Muslim keep this faith simply by his pure Actions rejecting all illusions of mayas.
    Abdullah, please don’t teach your children the lessons of Greed(Janat), teach them devotional inner soul realization through Yoga. God will Himself give rewards as per one’s Karams or actions.
    To have real revelation from real God requires rejection of luxurious planet JANAT which Mohammed’s Quran mentions at many places in Quran & Hadiths to spread Islam for getting place in Janat.
    This is false notion that there would be no revelation after Mohammed, this is only Islam says, but Not True God of this Universe.
    God is open for every body in every age for his revelation, regardless of being Muslims, Hindus, Christians and Jews etc.
    Now Abdullah, tell me I raised question to you in my previous posts but you have not replied me even none. Please answer my questions also.

  8. Dear Pradeep,
    Yes, I agree with you. As I have met many of Shias who normally claim that Ali was actually revealed and blessed by Allah not Mohammed. This is a big contradiction between Shias and Sunnies.
    Also this contradiction started while there happened an affair between and Ali and Aisha( a wife of Mohammed) which later exposed to Mohammed and then conflict took birth accordingly till the seat of Caliphate between Shias & Sunnies.

  9. Brother Jay,
    There is no authentic source for you to prove there is rebirth cycle. I have already asked you to prove your theory with authentic proofs.
    Your thinking that there is no Hell and Heaven. Here are the proofs.
    Katha Upanishad Chapter 1:12
    Naciketas: “There is no fear in the Heaven. You are also not there. There is no fear of agedness. Nor do we have the problems of hunger and thirst. Thus, the man who has attained Heaven remains there with all happiness.”
    Katha Upanishad Chapter 2:5-6
    “Those fools who are sunk in the ocean of ignorance think and feel that they are the really wise ones and that they are the masters (of knowledge). They are comparable to the blind who are led by the blind again. They do not reach their ultimate destination and will just be encircling the same place.”
    “This knowledge about the Heaven and about the knowledge of the Atman will not be understood by that one who is not deeply interested in it and by those idiots who are attracted by the worldly wealth and desires. Such people tend to think that there is no such thing as Heaven or Hell and that what exists is only earth or the world. Those are the ones who get into my trap time and again”.
    Bagavad Gita Chapter 9. The Most Confidential Knowledge
    TEXT 20
    trai-vidya mam soma-pah puta-papa
    yajnair istva svar-gatim prarthayante
    te punyam asadya surendra-lokam
    asnanti divyan divi deva-bhogan
    SYNONYMS
    trai-vidyah–the knowers of the three Vedas; mam–unto Me; soma-pah–drinkers of soma juice; puta–purified; papah–sins; yajnaih–with sacrifices; istva–after worshiping; svah-gatim–passage to heaven; prarthayante–pray; te–they; punyam–virtue; asadya–enjoying; sura-indra–of Indra; lokam–the world; asnanti–enjoy; divyan–celestial; divi–in heaven; deva-bhogan–pleasures of the gods.
    TRANSLATION
    Those who study the Vedas and drink the soma juice, seeking the heavenly planets, worship Me indirectly. They take birth on the planet of Indra, where they enjoy godly delights.
    Chapter 16. The Divine And Demoniac Natures
    TEXT 16
    aneka-citta-vibhranta
    moha-jala-samavrtah
    prasaktah kama-bhogesu
    patanti narake ‘sucau
    SYNONYMS
    aneka–numerous; citta vibhrantah–perplexed by anxieties; moha–of illusions; jala–by a network; samavrtah–surrounded; prasaktah–attached; kama–lust; bhogesu–sense gratification; patanti–glides down; narake–into hell; asucau–unclean.
    TRANSLATION
    Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and falls down into hell.
    Many People on this site talking that Muslims fear to God, but they don’t want to fear to God but they only Love GOD. For them see this Upanishad.
    Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter-4:21-22
    With Fear in their minds, people worship you as Unborn.Rudra may your face which is full of grace protect us all the time.
    Rudra please do not hurt my child or grand child nor span of my life. Please do not harm our cattle or horses. In your anger please do not slay our warriors. We always pray to you with oblations.
    So Fear to God.
    Brother Jay, your Vedas, Upanishads and Bagavad Gita, contains conflict statements. I have given proofs against rebirth and at the same time I found statements related to rebirth. Overall what I found is one statement is favor to Muslims and another one favor to you. So I wish to follow the statements which are favor to us.
    The other questions you have raised regarding Qur’an and prophet are baseless and there is no authentic source for the same.
    Abdullah Reddy

  10. Brother Jay,
    How come Shri Krishna will be GOD?
    Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19-20
    19. He cannot be seen, neither above, nor across, nor in the middle. He is beyond grasp. There is no image that is true to His from. His name is glory itself.
    20. His form is not visible. The eyes cannot see Him. But those who know Him as abiding in the heart through their hearts and minds become immortal.
    Svetasvatara Upanishad 3:2
    Rudra indeed is that one, without a second, who rules all these worlds with his supreme powers, who stands in front of all creatures, who protects the worlds He creates, also withdraws them in the end.
    Some brothers on this site claiming that Allah is infinite and he is having hands and feet and so on. So here is the Upanishad which claims same with Eaaswar, he is also having hands, feet and wings also.
    Svetasvatara Upanishad -Chapter 3:3
    With eyes everywhere, with faces in every direction, with hands and feet spread every where, with His mighty arms and wings, He forges the earth and heaven together and all the men and the gods.
    We Muslims understand the meaning of this and we don’t assume what you people are assuming. That is the difference between us and you.
    Abdullah Reddy

  11. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    I never mentioned & I never think, there are no Heaven and Hell but I always tried to explain it to you that Heaven/Hell are not FINAL DESTINATIONS for all Creatures:
    I tell you Brother Abdullah, you know, “where are Muslims making mistake in understanding of Heaven/Hell, please see as under:
    Muslims and Christians view as Heaven and Hell permanent abodes where goodness going to Heaven and badness go to Hell.
    Cont—–p/2———–

  12. Unending knowledge of Vedas provide detailed descriptions of Heaven and Hell.
    Though I told you earlier that Sanatana or Hinduism or Vedic Culture is a “Sumpuran Dharma” (Perfect Dharma).
    Islam believes only in one birth to Heaven (hereafter) but not discuss Liberation from Births and Deaths which is spiritual Gyan not provided by Mohammed to Muslims.
    So, Quran is incomplete as a copy cat of Vedas. Quran only teaches one side of Gyan of Vedas as incomplete manner in relation with Heaven and Hell only.
    Vedas not only discusses one Heaven, but it also discusses 7 levels of Svarg-Loka (Heaven Abode). Below the 7 levels of Heaven given are as under as per Vedas:
    Bhuva
    Svah
    Mahah
    Janah
    Tapah
    Satah
    Brhamlok
    Vedas, Upanishad & Bhagwat Geet what you have described above through verses are NOT conflicting themselves with one another if you analyze them properly.

  13. I would prove Heaven is not final destination for NIJAD as per Vedas. JANAT or Heaven or Swarg is a Temporary Place of Happiness as per Vedas.
    Please see as under with authentic references with the Vedas, Upanishads and Bhagwat Gita:
    Mundakopanishad (1.2.8)
    Only the highly foolish ones desire and reach svarg after death.
    Bhagwat Geeta- Chapter 9, Verse 21.
    When they have thus enjoyed heavenly sense pleasure, they return to this mortal planet again. Thus, through the Vedic principles, they achieve only flickering happiness.
    Chapter 8, Verse 16.
    From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again.
    Cont——p/3——–

  14. brother Jay,
    You follow Vedas and reach highest spiritual bliss. And I will follow the Qur’an for the final abode. For us the we have very good arranged way of life and simple for a normal human to follow. Yours is most complex way which a common man cannot understand.
    If your way is correct one, then I will pray to Eaaswar to show a right way for me in the next birth. If my way is correct, then i hope for the final abode.
    May God bless us and show us right way in this life to attain peace.
    Abdullah Reddy

  15. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    Yes, what I also mean we should not fight through Verses. May God bless both of us!
    Rather we should understand Vedic Dharma through the core essence of philosophy to understand Spirituality through Dyana (Meditation) not by chanting and remembering verses.
    Because, if we go deeper by references, we will find at the end, that verses of Vedas prove Quran a copy of Vedas.
    The concept of Heaven and Hell has actually been provided by Vedas to the World.
    Though, many more verses which share commonality from Vedas to Quran for Heaven, so below verses are from Vedas as under:
    (Atharva Veda 4:34:6)
    May all these streams of butter, with their banks of honey, flowing with distilled water, and milk and curds and water reach thee in domestic life enhancing thy pleasure. May thou acquire completely these things strengthening the soul in diverse ways.”
    (Atharva Veda 4:34:6)
    “Having pools of clarified butter, stocks of sweet honey, and having exhilarating drinks for water, full of milk and curds, may all these streams flow to us in the world of happiness swelling sweetly. May our lakes full of lotuses be situated near us.”
    Above verses literally tell us about Heaven that Mohammed incorporated Islam from Vedas.
    Though Vedas discusses Heaven but not as an Eternal Abode but a reward as per your Karam (a fruit of Action).
    Jai Sri Ram! Jay Sri Krisna!
    Best regards,
    Jay Maheshwary.

  16. Dear Brother Abdlullah,
    As you said in your above Verse; How come Shri Krishna will be GOD?
    Quran sees God from only one aspect of Un-Manifested God, Whereas Vedic Dharma deals in both -Manifested and Un-Manifested God.
    Every thing emanates from Him. Please see as under:
    Invocation – This is the Shanti Mantra of Avasya Upanishads from Yajuveda.
    “OM – Purnamadah Purnamidam Purnat purnamudachyate.
    Purnasya Purnamadaya Purnamevavashisyate.”
    MEANING:
    “That is whole, this is whole, from whole comes out of whole.
    If Whole is subtracted from whole, still whole is left.”‘Whole’ can be replaced as ‘infinity’ also. ‘That and this’ refers to OM.
    If God created everything, then who created God? The answer is, the thing which has no beginning or end is called as God and others are only manifestation of God. The finite things undergo changes, but those are illusionary. Thus God is referred as infinity. So mind must think of the unlimited to experience the infinity.
    It is like the air filled in the balloon and suspended in space. Only the balloon moves in the space not the space itself.
    This infinity is spread across the universe. By ‘Thuriyatheetham’ mediation you can sense the static silence.
    And you will accept this equation if you understood the meaning : 0 x Infinity = 1

  17. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    If I may have hurt you during my discussion, I extremely make sorry for that.
    I know your Allah & my Eashwar have no difference but ONE Supreme Spiritual Being.
    Difference is in our understanding of God. If we love each other, means we love one God.
    My heart cries while I look back to the history of India how India was plundered, looted and murdered.
    Otherwise, I have no Paap in my heart for Muslims, they are humans like me and I am like them.
    Jai Sri Ram! – Jai Sri Krisna!
    Best regards,
    Jay Maheshwary.

    • @Jay Maheshwary.,
      You said, “I know your Allah & my Eashwar have no difference but ONE Supreme Spiritual Being.” , Hmmmm, You need to know a Lot about ALLA, ( ALLA has all human quality, he is a deceiver, he is a killer, he often changes his mind, he orders his followers to kill others(Who does’t believe him) , He will give 72 virgin girls to whom ever dies for him, He is a sock puppet to Mohammed (Pedo) . So do not compare Eashwar to Alla. Alla Has so many other qualities also

    • Brother Jay,
      You are best and loving Human i found on this site. I really appreciate the knowledge you have. I learn some good things from you. I did not feel anything bad about you, after all this is a friendly discussion, you have posted your view and i posted my view. Hope it will continue in future also.
      Abdullah Reddy

      • @Abdullah,
        very surprised to see nice words from you, may be because you were a ex-Hindu…the least we expect from you dear Abdullah is to spread the love that Hinduism ever gave you or continues to give you …….after all everybody is hindu at heart and continues to do so untill greed, lust, jelously,revenge, unforgiveness takes control of one’s heart….. Long live all hindus of the world ( Hindus by deeds not by religion)..
        Pradeep

  18. Dear Brother S.S.S,
    I really understand what you are saying and I have also a pain for you being an Hindu.
    I love you Brother SSS, I have written above what I have learnt from our Vedic Dharma.
    I don’t want any Muslims should be treated the way I am being treated here in Pakistan.
    If I know my hunger, I can feel hunger of others. This is what I understood from Meditation of Sananta Dharma- A Vedic Wisdom. Please see below a Verse from RigVeda.
    RigVeda Mantra–1/164/46:
    (Ekam sad viprah bahuta vadanti).
    There is one God but Sages call Him and see Him in different ways and names.

  19. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    This is a TODAY’s Breaking News in Pakistan that existing Governor of Punjab- Pakistan–
    Mr. SALMAN TASIR has just been gun down with many bullets by his own Security Guard & he died on the spot.
    The reason was only a blasphemy of Prophet Mohammed.
    As late Salman Tasir spoke few days back in his one of conferences that we must bring flexibility or need to have little amendment in the Islam Rule. That Islamic Rule needs to be changed is as; if any one who blaspheme and dishonor Apostle of Allah-Mohammed, will be justified with the Death Sentence.
    So he only advised Moulanas and public that culprit at least is to be,punished with some other penalties but not with death. Since, he didn’t know, he would bear death consequences after his this statement.
    So he was killed in day light today in Islamabad market and you can hear this news from your Indian Media too.
    You see, Abdullah, even Muslims are not safe here in Pakistan, how come a Hindu or any other minority feels security in such a rule of ignorance.
    Do you realize, is this justification for mankind?

    • The security guard of the pakistan governor has ensured a berth for himself in Islamic Paradise and He has acted completely in accordance with the greaattttttt Islamic tradations…

    • Brother Jay,
      No Muslim can never tolerate blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad(SAW). It is the fault of the Christian women to talk against Prophet Muhammad(SAW). She put herself into trouble. Regarding the killing of Governor, i too condemn this. That women should openly say sorry for whatever she talk against Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and promise not to repeat the same in future, this is the only way she can save herself.
      The blasphemy against any famous personality that too religious will lead to serious consequences. The famous artist MF Hussain draw the naked picture of Kaali maatha and it is very grave insult to Hindus. Now he run way to some arab countries and staying there. Actually he should be killed in public for drawing such kind of painting.

      • Abdullah Brother why is Blasphemous Laws only for Non Muslims why is it not for Muslims Muslims there are allowed to insult other religions there in Pakistan Mullahs tell boys to go to temples and churches say bad things about their religion and the poor pakistani Hindus and Christians could not say anything in retaliation if they say anything out of frustration they are booked under Blasphemous Law and murdered.
        If a Pakistani Hindu or Bangladeshi Hindu wants citizenship in India he will have to wait long procedures whereas Bangladeshi Muslims who enter India are easily given ration cards and voting card by our party.
        HINDUS IF STILL START LICKING FOOLISH SECULARISM THEN NOBODY CAN SAVE US AND OUR FUTURE WILL BE LIKE THAT OF HINDUS IN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH.
        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/400-Pak-Hindus-await-Indian-citizenship/articleshow/7213868.cms

      • @Abdullah
        Abdullah, people like you are an insult to the human race. Do not forget, the land on which you stand on has the blood marks of various warriors from Shri Ram to Swami Dayanand and Arya Ashfaqullah khan, who fought all evil forces to make this a land of peace and freedom. This stupid law of blasphemy was invented by outsiders like Islam and Christianity. Otherwise the entire indian subcontinent was the land of Ram and Krishna culture, and even they never sanctioned such stupidity. They only killed criminals who were a threat to innocent human beings. Now, if a woman speaks against a man, no matter, who, why such a stupid law of killing her is needed?????
        By your logic, we should all get together and give a public beating to Zakir Naik since he openly infront of people says that Vedas are corrupted and they should be rejected and tries to lure everyone to follow the Quran. But there is something called logical reasoning and humanity within us.
        People like you are a threat to humanity, you set foundations for terrorism.

      • Abdullah
        Just out of curiosity, I want to ask that insulting Allah and His word Quran leads one to life imprisonment but insulting Muhammad results in stoning to death, why so? Is Allah greater or Muhammad? Why can one insult Allah and his book and still live but cant live after insulting Muhammad?
        What about the verse of Quran which calls every non Muslim worst of creatures? Is not Quran blasphemous to all humanity?

    • Mr. Jay Maheshwary,
      Even da pakistani government has condemned it……… u did not mention dat in ur comment……da following is a statement from government……..
      According to his spokesman Farhatullah Babar, the president described the assassination as “ghastly” and said that no words were strong enough to condemn it and that the perpetrators of the heinous crime must be punished.
      http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/05/taseer-falls-to-security-guard-s-bullets-blasphemy-law-claims-another-life-page-5.html

  20. So…let me get this straight. You say:
    No Muslim can never tolerate blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad(SAW). It is the fault of the Christian women to talk against Prophet Muhammad(SAW). She put herself into trouble…That women should openly say sorry for whatever she talk against Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and promise not to repeat the same in future, this is the only way she can save herself.
    She is Christian. That, by definition, means that she believes Jesus was/is the last “messenger” of God. That, in itself, does not count as blashphemy as per you. But what counts as blasphemy is that she chose to talk about this. So…thinking or believing that Mohammed is a false prophet is ok…it is a crime but does not invite the death sentence. But the act of saying so or talking about it is blasphemous inviting the death sentence. Is that right?
    Why is .thinking or believing that Mohammed is a false prophet not blasphemy? Why dont you go ahead and kill ALL non-Muslims who believe that Mohammed is false?
    Frankly, I do not expect any intellectual response from you on this. You are probably only going to quote the Quran. But instead, if you think about this and realize the stupidity of condemning non-Muslims for alleged blasphemy against an unprovable prophet, this post would have served its purpose.

    • Mr Kalbhairav
      Let me remind u dat christians believe dat Jesus is son of god. so dat itself is blasphemy according 2 islam since v muslims believe dat Jesus is a messenger of god so der is no question dat da woman said dat she believes Jesus is the last “messenger” of God…. did u ever try telling dat Prophet Mohammad is false prophet in Pakistan. Do try once n c da repercussions…
      I dont think ny one over der in pakistan had ever tried 2 name Prophet Mohammad as false prophet in Pakistan. dat christian woman is said 2 hav insulted Prophet Mohammad n so for dat reason she is been punished.
      Ok I agree wit u dat death sentence is too harsh…….. but y is dat ur hindu fundamentalists r giving death threats to M.f. Hussain….. if dey r given da power dey will end up killing him. goin according 2 ur proposition dont u think giving death threats to M.F. Hussain is also wrong….. So r u ready 2 condemn it………..

  21. KalBhairav,
    You are talking like as if i killed someone else. Now I ask you why did you Hindus cry when some in UK or USA print the Picture of Krishna or Ganesha on their Slippers and beer bottles? And why did cry when MF Hussain draw a naked painting of Kaali maa? Since you are Vedas follower, you have nothing to do when some one print Idols on their slippers or some one draw naked picture of Kaali Maa?
    http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002980.html
    And you don’t need to worry about the thing happen in Pakistan and a Muslim only killed in the incident. Also don’t worry about that Christian women, the USA will take care of her. When we tell you are worshiping False Idols you will get angry? At the same time when you call our Prophet false, we need to be silent? Wah.. what a great justifier!!

    • There is outrage when a Christian cross is immersed in urine…there is outrage when pictures of Ganesha are printed on slippers…The difference between these cases and the case of the Christian woman in Pakistan is this: In case of the former, NO STATE LEGALLY SANCTIONS TO DEATH THE COMMITTERS OF THIS ACT. In case of the latter, THE STATE LEGALLY SANCTIONS DEATH.
      Have you ever heard of a concept called separation of “church/temple/mosque/synagogue/gurudwara” and state?

      • Mr Bhairava,
        u wer speaking abt concept called separation of “church/temple/mosque/synagogue/gurudwara” and state…. den jus go thru dis article
        http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/07nude.htm
        “A case was registered against Husain on Saturday and the STATE police is conducting a probe into the allegations made against the painter, Patil said”
        I think u r very well able 2 c STATE/GOVERNMENT involved over here in da above statement…. so can tell me da difference u wer speaking abt in ur previous post…

  22. Dear Brother Irshad & Brother Abdullah,
    Even da pakistani government has condemned it……… u did not mention dat in ur comment……da following is a statement from government……..
    Don’t write what you want to write, write what is truth. Truth never requires agent. Truth is God.
    For your kind information, Mst Asia- a Christina woman appeared on TV Media which I personally heard her on TV in recent past and she said that
    I never said any wrong thing on to the character of Prophet Mohammed.
    She further said that why I should say something wrong to Prophet Mohammed when I know he is a messenger of Allah and same as our Jesus.
    Further she said, I was accused of blasphemy due to personal conflicts where I used to work in factory & I was ill treated by muslims workers there
    Due to personal dispute, they finally gave the shape of religious matter to drag me either to court or to harassment life, so allegation of blasphemy imposed on me is false and baseless.

  23. She was prisoned in the Jail, as she is too poor to raise her voice for her security, so Late Salmaan Taseer was only one who supported her case and brought her to media, upon which, international media got awareness. Mullanas also went on strike for one day in Pakistan and this support became a curse for Salman Taseer finally.
    Brother Irshad, there are hundreds of such cases on the name of blasphemy of Prophet Mohammed happen in Pakistan but they are never brought to media and in this way many of lives are spoiled and destroyed day by day just due to this legal law of Islam.
    If I have to take revenge from someone in Pakistan, it is only the easy and encouraged way to defeat that person just to blame him with charge of blasphemy of
    Prohpeht Mohammed and in this way, that person will be murdered.

    • Mr Jay,
      According 2 u people r misusing da Blasphemy law 2 take revenge on der opponents…… so how can u blame islam for dis? its da people who r taking undue advantage….

  24. I tell you what truth is ————-
    Sympathy from public is needed which stands more genuine supportive rather than motive political statements of our Ministers of Governemnt.
    Government does not make Public———————— Public make Governments.
    Life is a Gift of God and an asset of God. This is neither mine nor yours nor made for Mohammed Prophet.
    I saw Pakistani local citizens distributing Sweats (Mithaiyan) on TV on account of death of Late Salmaan Taseer.
    I heard from Mullanas and local public on TV agreeing with culprit Guard that what he did was real act of Islam.
    I heard from my office mate (all are Muslims) as per them, Guard is not a sinner but he did the right job by killing Salmaan Taseer.
    I heard from a petrol pump worker while I was getting my bike filled with petrol.
    I asked some of people just for getting an idea of sympathy at least from one Muslim.
    People of Pakistan including Mullanaas are still commenting on the death of Salmaan Taseer that neither shall NIMAZ-e-JINAZA be prayed on his death nor shall any one show sympathy on the death of Salmaan Taseer and nor shall any one pray to God for his soul.
    Even today, at the time of Nimaz-e-Jinaza,. there were only the Family of late Salmaan Taseer and rest all people left earlier without performing Nimaz—e-Jinaza.
    That is the fact what was caught in the Cameras of media TV of Pakistan.
    Believe me I am here in Pakistan, as of yet, I have not met any Muslims who can show his personal sympathy against what that Guard did to Salmaan Taseer.
    Salmaan Taseer did not blaspheme in the honor of Prophet Mohammed if you analyze his speech with calm and quiet.
    What he said was a suggestion that putting someone to death as a Strict Law of Shriayat needs to be changed. He did not abuse Mohammed in his speech.
    I also watched The President of Pakistan, The Prime Minister of Pakistan and all other ministers of governmental bodies, they all showed compassion and condemned on the act of that Guard. But they never said, “This barbaric law (Rule of Ignorance) should be changed so that people should not be killed just based on blasphemy”.
    Why don’t you condemn this filthy rule of Islam only condemning by statements is a bias in the court of God.
    I would consider a true religion if all Muslims of World should stand for exterminating the barbaric rule imposed in Shariyat Law of Islam that it should be changed or modified or tolerated to other penalties but not death sentence.

    • Mr Jay,
      Jus becoz a few people took da undue advantage of blasphemy law, u can’t blame da law as a whole. And I wud advice u not 2 use words like “FILTHY” 2 describe something becoz it is jus reflecting wat u r……..

  25. There is no any sign of TOLERANCE in ISLAM as the act of Guard and the comments of religious Mullanas & Pakistani public have proved that RELIGION ISLAM is not a safe place on this Earth for non Muslims and for Muslims too. That is very dangerous for Humanity.
    Many Muslims they fear despite the citizens of Pakistan, if any word they utter by mistake against of Mohammed will be assassinated.
    Dear Arshad and Abdullah——– It all happens because of Islamic Rules made by an illiterate man Mohammed and just due to one man you can see whole of humanity is on the needle point of death and further there may occur several casualties in future if it grows as is.
    You can see on the website of Agniveer that many of Muslims speak their minds with comments of very bad attitude on Krisna, on Rama, on Rishis and on Vedic Dharma.
    They are alive examples on this site. This sit is full of such comments. So, don’t give us an example of M.F. Hussain. M.F. Hussain has been threatened but not killed yet.
    Moreover, all Muslims are as safe as Hindus in India————You Muslims are more lucky living in India under the roof of Vedic Dharma.
    All minorities and even Muslims are not as secured as Indians in Pakistan. Why?????????????
    Answer is simple——————- barbaric rule of Arabic people which Ex Hindus adopted.
    All the bad consequences a Muslim bears and World, is because of one Man Mohammed TODAY.
    You people have been brain washed as much as that act of ignorance you feel is righteous job you do religously.
    Religion is made for shelter and security of humanity not for destroying fathers, mothers, sons, sisters, brothers and animals.

  26. Vedic Dharma teaches humans a way of TOLERANCE by dyana and gyana. Meditation is only a way which leads you to reality that Vedic Practices show a path. A path of pure devotion and self esteemed.
    Mediation is purely a way of knowing and experiencing the Supreme Soul that way has no brand, stamp, term, bet, relation, nepotism and obstacles of caste etc,
    Rest all we do is Karamkhand just to have actions in the forms of good & bad to get fruits which will ultimately fulfill the desire of one’s motives in life on any of planets of this Universe but not that understanding of JIV GYAN as Liberation.
    Once you understand through meditation what reality is and what Jiv Gyan is then you will never attempt to kill any one, even you will never think of killing someone.
    Muslims need to learn this process of Vedic Dharma, though I don’t recommend muslims to embrace Sanatana Dharma unlike Zakir Naik but to know what reality is.
    Very nature of Vedic Dharma allows every one to EXPRESS desires, comments, questions or cross questions freely. This is what I have learnt from our SATAYSANGH a religious meeting where we discuss Vedic Practices and scriptures. Where every Human has right to raise questions against of any of Rishies or Avataars in that Satayasangh.
    But our Dharma Gurus never suppress and never lead us to threat or death for that particular human as blasphemy.
    Vedic Dharma is a way of TOLERANCE that every JIV has right to live and to let others live freely; they enjoy and suffer as per their actions, this is the school of thought of Vedic Dharma.

  27. We Hindus never mind & strongly believe, if any one blasphemes our Avtaars, Gods, and Goddesses & Rishies. Thus, we know. Brahman – A Divine Nature, A Spiritual Being, A True Un manifested Entity is never hurt by merely words of Human like blasphemy or abuses to HIM.
    We strongly believe, He Who has no enemy in and out of Universe.
    We strongly believe, He Who can not be small face by words of Humans.
    We strongly believe, He Who can never be insulted by human act of nature.
    We strongly believe, He Who love those who love Him & those who don’t love Him, He still loves.
    We strongly believe, He Who never wants any innocent to be killed on account of His Honor or of His Beloved Devotee.
    We strongly believe, He Who never wants one human to be killed against other human (Mohammed) who was also a Human.
    We strongly believe, He Who never wants humans should worship Him but to know HIM.
    Even if Salman Taseer said something wrong to Mohammed, then Allah himself will take revenge from Salmaan Taseer but no human has right to kill publicly.
    Why does your Allah take revenge just on account of blasphemy of one man Mohammed to kill Humanity? Do you think, such kind of Allah is Real God?
    Why is your Allah very limited to one person Mohammed.
    Why do you keep your Allah in one pocket whereas no one can sustain God in one corner, it is impossible.
    What compels Allah to make such rules in Islam?
    Why does Islam proclaim, “Allah has made this Universe only for His beloved Mohammed”?
    Why does Allah not declare, “I have made this Universe only for MANKIND”?
    Above statements doubt the Quran and Shariyat that Rules mentioned are not divine but a fake documented governed by a man.
    Try to realize SELF within YOU and then to KNOW God, don’t only worship HIM, understand God before you make your own Ideas to kill someone.

    • If u hindus never mind ny thing den y r da hindu fundamentalists issuing death threats to M.f. hussain…. Y cant u guys tolerate him…? I wud advice u 2 get out from ur farce n hypocrisy…..

      • They are trying to behave same as you. In case any such serious threat is there the indian law or government will give protection to him.But it does not create a new law saying all muslims who kill cow are to be killed. Any way what is wrong with christians calling jesus a son of god? Is god not the creator and dont we call our creator as father? If calling father is wrong what do you say about mohammad saying all his wifes as mother of muslims? Isnt it an insult to my parents?

      • Mr Adolf,
        According to christian point of view it is not wrong to call jesus as son of god, but muslims don’t agree with ur viewpoint……. So u can hav ur view n v will hav our’s…….
        calling Jesus as son of god is not a problem but treating him as successor of god is wrong n considering him as god is wrong according 2 us…..
        Indians call Gandhi as father of da nation…………. so does dis insult da Indians? I guess no… so in a similar sense considering wife of Mohammad PBUH as mother of muslims is not wrong…

      • Can you come up with verses from bible which says
        1.jesus is successor of god
        2.consider jesus as god.
        Also can christian countries have the same law and kill all muslims,as they hurt the feelings of present day christians? how far will this go?
        One religion publicly condems other religions are false and doesnot allow other persons of different religion to do the same. I think hypocrisy is the better word for the blasphemy law.
        Anyway i personally believe what jesus said is in accordance with vedas and i would like to have some references from bible which your prophet analyzed to declare christianity as shirk.
        thanks

      • The most direct references to Jesus as God in bible r listed below:
        Romans 9:5. “Christ, who is God over all”
        Titus 2:13. “…our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”
        2 Peter 1:1. “our God and Savior Jesus Christ”
        dese above quotes itself proves dat christians r doin shirk by considering Jesus as god….

      • yes now i agree christians are doing shirk i.e treating jesus as GOD(ISHWAR) and giving much importance to image of him.But so are muslims doing by bowing to kaba.

      • Mr Adolf,
        We do not worship the Kaabah, nor Masjidul Haram by facing it in prayer. We worship none but Allah. That is why, even if the Kaabah is directly in front of us, we do not look at it, rather v look at the ground before us, as the focus of our prayer is never on any created object, but Allah alone.

      • Mr. Adolf
        I think u need take some memory pills…. I already told u dat v dont worship kaaba…. Did u ever c a picture or statue of Mohammad (PBUH) at ny muslim place? So where is hypocrisy over here…….

      • but you assosciate kaaba to pray. Why do you require a direction to pray? wont god understand your heart if you pray the opposite direction? what necessary is that black stone to pray to god? can i print it on my slippers? If indeed you value for history why is that history not followed in the case of budhas statues? budhsits have no god and they are not doing any shirk isnt it foolishness to destroy them?

      • Irshaad
        Regarding Kaba worship, please visit http://agniveer.com/1685/kaba-or-idol-worship/
        We dont see any picture of Muhammad anywhere but we listen his name five times a day just next to LASHARIK Allah in Islamic prayers! Muslims have their own way to worship Muhammad. They worship him through words five times a day and by going to his birth place. So Muslims are human worshippers in addition to idol (Kaba) worshippers.
        You say you dont worship Kaba! Why do you kiss the black stone and circumambulate around it while performing Hajj? Are you still different than any idol worshipper dear Brother?

      • Mr Adolf
        Muslims all praying towards the same point is to symbolize the unity of all Muslims worldwide. v kiss da black Stone and touch it or gesture towards it because it is from the signs of Allah. Hence our kissing it or touching it or signalling towards it is in worship of Allaah not the stone.
        concerning Buddha statues… u can ask dis question 2 da one who destroyed it…

      • @Irshaad
        Irshaad, these are all stupid excuses to justify your idol worship. If I ask a buddhist or an ignorant hindu, who worships an idol, he will say I am not worshipping the idol but I am worshipping the real God by using this idol. Similarly, if muslims state that they worship Allah by facing the blackstone, they are hypocrites, and they fall under the same category as other idol worshippers. Each time you involve any solid monument (idol, mosque, stone) in your prayers, either you use it for direction or concentration or any other reason, you are CLASSIFIED AS AN IDOLATOR. Now, either you accept ur an idolator or hence stop facing the kaaba and worship Allah without the use of Kaaba. If facing the Kaaba is a commandment from Allah Himself, then He has contradicted his own message by prohibiting you to bow before idols on one hand, and at the same time ordering you to bow before the black stone. What a grave CONTRADICTION!!!!

      • @Vik
        ” If I ask a buddhist or an ignorant hindu, who worships an idol, he will say I am not worshipping the idol but I am worshipping the real God by using this idol.”
        u made da above statement in ur previous post.. I find most hindus who u call ignorant in da majority..
        Hindus aka Sanatanis believe in idol worship… wat do u hav 2 say abt dat??
        Firstly u did not read my previous posts n if u hav read den i will explain u once again since some people do need extra time 2 grasp things n i guess u r one of dem…
        1. we dont place a replica of kaaba before us wen v pray whereas in ur case people pray before pictures and idols. so dat makes us different from u idol worshippers.
        2. If the Kaaba is directly in front of us, we do not look at it, rather v look at the ground before us, as the focus of our prayer is never on any created object, but Allah alone.
        so dis explains u dat kaaba is not da centre of attraction for muslims.
        3. all muslims face da direction of kaaba 2 show a sense of unity and solidarity.
        I hope dat u got it dis time….. n in da meanwhile u did not answer my previous query n instead repeated wat ur friend Amitesh has said.. i will repeat da question again…
        I presented a quote from Rig Veda wich sanctioned Sati n u told me dat da mantra was changed from agre to agne. den u said dat dey wer verbally twisted n not in writing. So for dat reason I asked u if all da men who had knowledge of vedas either burnt women or supported it and I also said dat women wer not given education of vedas as dey could hav easily made out dat nothing of dat sort has been written in Vedas.
        wat do u hav 2 say abt my above query?

      • @Irshaad
        Many hindus are ignorant and are unaware of the real worship as per Vedas. Well as I said, do not look at majority, majority does not imply truthfulness, you should look at Arya Samaj, who are much closer to Vedas compared to the hindus u see. There is a long story explaining why hindus do what they do.
        1)Yes I agree, you do not put a replica of kaaba before you, whereas many buddhists put an idol before them, but listen, its not about quantity, but quality. For example, if you have two jugs of water, one jug contains 1L of water, and another jug contains 2L of water, we do not care which jug has more or less, what matters to us is that BOTH jugs contain water. Same is the case with you, it doesnt matter whether you bow before many idols, or bow towards one universal idol, what matters is that you bow towards a solid monument (kaaba). So either way, you cannot call yourself a NON IDOLATOR since you engage kaaba in your prayers. First get rid of the Kaaba, and then pray to Allah without Kaaba, only then you will be a non idolator.
        2)Same is the case with hindus, infact, hindus go a step further, they dont look at anything, they simply close their eyes while they pray before an idol, if you think not looking at the kaaba, but looking at the floor on which it is kept justifies you from being a NON IDOLATOR, then I must say, hindus are more of Non Idolators since they close their eyes. Again, same thing, either you look at the floor of the kaaba, or on its roof, an idol is an idol. I see many muslims kissing the kaaba, so your point is proven wrong here.
        3)Is Allah that blind that he can only keep track of your prayers while you unite in prayers towards a common point???? Again, I can say the same thing that all you have is a different reason to defend your idol worship, unity, direction, common point, are all your reasons, whereas, concentration are the reasons for ignorant hindus and buddhists, and christians. The only difference is that your reason is much different from theirs’ and you do not like that reason so hence you frame them as “idolators” without looking at yourselves.
        As far as Sati goes, there is not a single verse in Vedas that sanctions this nonsense. Yes, it did happen ages back in India, but not by the order of Vedas, but by the ignorance and following false stories of Sati Maa that were propagated back then. It also begun during the Islamic invasion in India, that women chose to kill themselves rather than being lifted by a Moghal. Later on, to show that it was a religious order, someone fabricated a mantra of Vedas to make it look as if Vedas sanction this nonsense, but they failed to do so since Vedas cannot be changed.
        Please read articles like Women in Hinduism, Women in Vedas, also found on this site.

      • Budhists praying to budha is not idolation as budhism is agonistic. May be budhas face looks the same as in the statue what is the point of opposing budhas images? What god is he who ask us to pray for him? does god has no other work other than being our slave, granting worldy things to whoever apeases him or threatening people for some petty reasons. For muslims there is no god but Allah. Allah doesnt have a shape and hence they condemn idol worship. But for vaishnavas or shaivaites or any other idolators god has a form and they have their idols according to the poeple who saw their respective god. What proof other than statements from quran have you got to say that there is no god but Allah? Any way we have digressed from the topic.

      • @Vik
        Initially I knew dat hindus do hav several castes bt here I discover dat der r other divisions as well hindus and non-hindus(arya samajis)… well dats cool… den I think u need 2 first get dem on track first…
        1. Unlike hindus, Muslims may bow before Kaaba but dey do not worship it…… u wer giving some jug n tumbler example explaining da quality n quantity concept. I wud jus tell u dat if u give me a illogical example i will also try 2 giv u one example of similar type… A man weighting 80kgs buys a ticket 2 get into Tirupati temple. Assume dat dis temple allows darshan 2 one person at a time. Now seeing dat guy 2 other men who wer in a same queue demand dat dey will jus buy single ticket as dey r jus 40kgs each. wat do u think wil da reaction of da gate keeper b?? quantity or quality???
        2. Wen hindus close der eyes, dey start imagining da physical features of god whereas muslims dont…
        3. I already told dat muslims pray all in one direction to signify da unity among demsleves. And if u want 2 still make some baseless claims. den I wud follow ur suite… y do u guys recite mantras wen u do pujas….
        Can’t ur god understand ur prayers if u guys dont recite mantars?
        All da while u n ur frens kept claiming dat agre was interpreted 2 agne. And now u sing a different song. Let me remind u wat exactly said…
        Vik says:
        December 29, 2010 at 7:17 AM
        @Irsaad
        when we imply that the word “agre” was changed to “agne”, we dont mean that word is changed in the entire Vedas as a whole, for example, if Vedas were to be published today, you would still see the original unchanged verses of Vedas. This agre to agne was done as a false interpretation for evil people to fool innocents to make them believe that VEDAS SANCTION SATI. But the reality is there is no such interpolation in the actual Vedas. The ACTUAL Vedas only contain and willl forever contain Agre, not Agne. Hope I made myself clear.
        Can u explain me wat dis actual vedas and duplicate vedas are?
        Were all da so called ACTUAL VEDAS missing at the time wen evil brahmins wer trying 2 justify Sati burnings by virtue of DUPLICATE VEDAS?

      • @Irshaad
        All these castes, divisions, etc, you see are man made. As per Vedas, there is no such thing as divisions. These were all created by evil people to gain authority over the weak and helpless. You should know that islam itself is divided into 72 sects, so do not think that your religion is free of this nonsense. Arya Samaj was a step taken to reform Hinduism, and Dayananda is our role model. His prime message was that we should all return to the Vedas.
        1) Irshaad, why are u running around a pillard in circles and ultimately hitting your own face into the wall and falling down exactly at the point from where you started. I told you many times, that even hindus who do idol worship say the same thing that they dont worship the idol, they bow before it only to worship the Actual God, similarly, how muslims claim they bow before the kaaba to worship Allah. I am saying that both of you are idolators, since you bow before an idol regardless of the reason. I know u are trying to tell me that u dont worship the kaaba, but you still bow before it and that is CLASSIFIED AS IDOL WORSHIP. Cant you get this simple point through your head????
        Quality is the base of Quantity, in fact both exist together. In your example, what I am trying to say is that it doesnt matter who weights 40 or 80, what matters is that both of them bought a ticket.
        2) By the way, how do you know they picture God??? Did you go into their minds??? I can say the same thing that muslims picture Allah or Mohammad as well when they close their eyes sometimes.
        3)Mantras are recited as rituals, for example, marriage, birthday, etc. They are for the people around us, not for Ishwar, because we do not need to tell Ishwar anything, He knows everything. But prayers are done within our head, for that, I do not think God needs everyone in one direction. I think God should easily notice what and from where a person is praying. Besides, God is omnipresent, so whats the need for unity if He is everywhere? As I said, these are just excuses to bow before the kaaba, do you think Allah cannot listen to you if you do not pray towards the kaaba?
        4)The way I can explain it is, suppose in the Quran, there is a verse that says “bismillah” and now suppose someone in a village purposely changed “bismilah” to “rismillah” to mean something stupid, you can always double check using other Qurans to see if the line has bismillah or rismillah written in it. The same is case for Vedas. Vedas never ever been changed, its only one verse which someone fabricated to make it mean Sati, but the original Vedas…DO NOT HAVE THIS FABRICATION…THEY ARE STILL PURE AS INCEPTION………..besides this fabrication was probably done very recently since back in the old days, Vedas were memorized orally and no one can even change a single letter. Later on, Vedas were compiled into books, and someone probably took ONE BOOK and fabricated that mantra, but we can verify from other books that this mantra has been changed.
        The oral traditions of Vedas is still going on today, if you do not believe me, why dont you go listen to them, they will never say “agne”, but will instead say”agre”, so it is obvious that someone cunningly tried to fabricate the verse but this person was stupid since he never knew that Vedas are also being recited orally from which his stupidity can get caught, and that is exactly what happened here.

      • Yes hinduism has many versions.Not all will accept the pure sankhya put forward by the arya samajis.Hinduism accpets that every person has his right to worship god in any way he likes, your dislike for idol worship must not be binding on the rights of idol worshippers.
        God if he is not petty minded will accpet the love directed towards him even though it was done before the idol of a pig or horse. It was no shirk at all as hindu god is omnipotent. It may be shirk for allah as he is not omnipotent and confined to heaven.
        In the state of turiya there will be no personal feeling of identity and the only identity left will be the all encompassing brahman. Jesus was in that state when he uttered the words “I and the Father are one” . The religion which killed their own people for reaching that state(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansur_Al-Hallaj) can never understand that state and accuses and kills every one else who is not accepting with them.

      • Irshad
        Anytime when you want to show castes and divisions among Hindus, just do one thing. Pick up any news paper or switch on your TV. You will find on some channel, bunch of Muslim volunteers helping the dead bodies and injured people (Muslims) out on stretcher who were died or injured while they were offering Namaj by bombers who were again Muslims! Then see the dog fight between the Moulvis belonging to different sects, one praising bombers and others condemning it! Sunni, Wahabi, Shia join their hands against Ahmadis but kill each other when no Ahmadi issue remains! Deobandi and Barelvi have the centuries back dispute on their mosques. No Ahle Hadith can enter Sunni mosques and vice vers, forget about offering prayers there. And this happens with all sects that ultimately they think of their sect as true Islam and rest as Kafirs.
        Have you however seen any Arya Samaji blowing him off in any temple or any Hindu blowing Arya Samaj? By now you would have understood what is the difference b/w you and others. Hindus are not perfect and they have different ideologies, I agree. But none of them hates the other on this basis. They have beautiful custom of Shastraartha in which intellectuals of both philosophies sit together and discuss in a friendly and peaceful manner and at the end, all recite Shanti Path which is the symbol of peace and the message is that whatever be the differences in our faiths be, we are still one family and will always remain one.
        3. After showing unity five times a day, if most of the bombers and their victims are still Muslims, there must be something terribly wrong with that single direction! What say?
        For Hindus, there is no compulsion to recite Mantra anywhere. Its all one’s choice. It is OK if he/she recites, it is still OK if he/she prefers not to recite. It is personal matter of devotee. No one is going to throw them in hell fire if they dont recite a Mantra or whatever. So dont compare Islam with Hinduism. Your Namaj is not valid if you dont face Kaba, isn’t it? Your Hajj is incomplete without kissing black stone! Such hypocrisy can not lead you to happiness.
        Try to imagine a prayer in which you dont need to remember Muhammad with Allah and dont need to associate idol of Kaba in it. You can come back to Vedas, the only message of actual Tauheed.

      • @Vik
        Dis is wat ur vedas say
        “His (Purusa’s) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born.” — Rig Veda 10:90:12
        coming onto muslim sects, I wud like 2 correct u dat its not 72 sects but 73 sects. All these sects believe in Allah and his rasool. And if u look into quran der r no divisions mentioned. So humans created dis sects becoz of da difference in some beliefs n da division was foretold by Prophet Mohammad.
        1. Going according 2 ur philosophy, u might end up saying dat muslims worship walls, mosques or where ever dey bow… well continue with ur rhetoric…..
        2. I never got into der mind but dey do exhibit der god’s physical attributes by drawing pictures of his whereas muslims do not attribute ny physicality to Allah.
        3. If mantras are for people around u den y r dey recited in Sanskrit wich can’t b understood by everyone. Cant dey read mantras in some language which can b understood by people who r listening 2 it.
        4. u said some verses wer fabricated… my point is if some verses wer fabricated in vedas n Sati was sanctioned in dat way by evil brahmins, den where wer da original un-edited vedas??? wer dey hidden somewhere by Evil Brahmins???

      • @Vajra
        Firstly u dont actually know abt islam… Quran does not mention ny thing like shia or sunni……… moreover da so called wahabis, ahle hadees are all sunnis. so brush up ur knowledge. Coming onto da fights b/w dese people its more of a political interest rather dan religious n u will find dese bombings n killings only in politically unstable countries like pakistan……. So dont try 2 falsify things without knowledge….
        By da way u don’t worry abt me as I am on da right track…… Jus worry abt urself…

      • @Adolf : did you come across “أنا الحق‎ Anā l-Ḥaqq “I am The Truth,” ”
        on
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansur_Al-Hallaj
        it just “tav tat asi” or “Aham brhamasmi” or “ayam brahmasmi”
        this clearly shows that the wisdom of the veda was flourishing before the plague of Islam corrupted the land of “Arvasthan”
        Talking about the sahsrath chakra
        “In another controversial statement, al-Hallaj claimed “There is nothing wrapped in my turban but God,””

      • @Irshaad
        The actual meaning is:
        In society, Brahmins or intellectuals form the brain or head or mouth that think and speak. Kshatriya or defense personnel form the hands that protect. Vaishya or producers and businessmen form the thigh that support and nurture (note that thigh bone or femur produces blood and is strongest bone). In Atharvaveda, instead of Uru or Thigh, the word “Madhya” is used meaning that it denotes also the stomach and central part of body.
        Shudra or Labor force form the legs that lay the foundation and make the body run.
        The next mantras talk of other parts of this body like mind, eyes etc. The Purush Sukta describes the origin and continuation of creation including human society and states ingredients of a meaningful society.
        Thus, its a pity that such a beautiful allegorical description of society and creation is distorted to mean something that is completely contrary to Vedic ethos.
        Even the Brahman texts, Manusmriti, Mahabharat, Ramayan and Bhagvat do not state anything even close to crazy hypothesis of God creating Brahmins by tearing of flesh from his mouth, Kshatriya from flesh of hands and so on.
        read more at http://agniveer.com/888/caste-vedas/

      • @Irshaad
        You are wrong, there are some sects of islam like tanakyas, that believe in the reincarnation of the soul, so this means they oppose the heaven hell theory of Quran. How about the ahmediyas? They do not consider mohammad the last prophet>>>
        1) Yes, its not my logic, but the logic of idol worship itself. But, idolatry is also considered when you bow before the same object while u pray. For example, muslims will always bow before/towards kaaba, they will not bow anywhere else. So finally, you confessed that you are an idol worshipper.
        2)Why dont you try typing in “Allah” in google images, and see what they show you? Sometimes a picture of the kaaba, or a wall in which Allah is engraved in arabic, so that is also visual, hence muslims just picture that or the word Allah in their minds. I told you before, too, if hindus do picture God having a form, it is mainly due to their ignorance towards Vedas, and on this site we are preaching Vedas.
        3)Mantras are recited in Sanskrit because it is the original language in Vedas. Many of these things have become a tradition. The same way how muslims recite the kalima in Arabic, why not Urdu or Spanish??? But as per Vedas, we can pray anywhere and anytime, unlike being restricted to certain guidelines like islam.
        4)The real un edited Vedas have always been there, but no one read them to expose the falsehood of the evil pandits back then. Just like, only doctors kept the medical books to themselves, while everyone were illiterates, so this way the doctors can fool people as much as they want. So the same was the case with those evil pandits. But thanks to our role model Swami Dayanand, who exposed all these myths and finally made many people read the Vedas and saw for themselves that there was NO such verse that sanctioned this stupidity. It was only a few evil people who fooled everyone to gain power. Vedas have always been PURE and NEVER CHANGED. All four Vedas are exactly in the same format and order/age as they were given out at inception.

      • Irshad
        Visit the following and know that Sunnis believe Ahle Hadith (Wahabis) along with Deobandis and Shias to be Kafirs!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzDV6Wx6luU&feature=related
        Go and first teach this Mullah that Ahle Hadith are Sunnis. Then teach Wahabis that they are Sunnis. Then you can try to teach us the same.
        And you did not tell me, which sect do you belong? Which mosque you offer your prayers, is it Sunni or Wahabi or Qadiyani or Shia or Deobandi or Barelvi or….?

      • Irshad
        And I forgot to give you the link in which Mullah Ji from Sunni firqa says Ahle Hadith as “Kutte” (dogs) at 6:51 in the following video!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X01htQUvKcQ&feature=related
        you say Wahabi = Sunni ….(1)
        Mullah Ji says Wahabi=dogs ….(2)
        from eq (1) and (2)
        Sunni=…..! …(3)
        Even any Madarsa student can now fill up the blank of eq (3) easily.
        All this was just to show you the reality of “Unity in Islam”. I have no intention to hurt anyone by my comment. Please see it as an attempt by a Brother to save his Brother from the path of hatred and get him back to the path of love.
        You can come to Vedas, the original religion of your ancestors.
        thanks

      • @Vajra
        dese videos r quite interesting. By da way thanx for posting…..
        if u need mor videos of dese type, I can provide u da links n url’s….
        Indeed very funny LOLZ….
        Dont worry abt da UNITY in muslims……. u will soon c dat wen da time is ripe
        I am a proud muslim n will remain one so stop searching for da sect of mine….
        Thanks for inviting me buddy….. but I think u first need 2 send all da invitations to da hindus 2 come into da fold of Arya Samaj…… tc

      • @Vik
        My question is y do u need castes for a doing particular work….? y do u need 2 stereotype people????
        u can find more abt caste system if u take a look at dis website
        http://truthofhinduism.com/hinduism/caste/hinduism-caste/
        Tanakyas: Is dis some kind of a new sect started by Arya Samaj since I never heard abt it…
        The Ahmadiyya Community accepts Prophet Muhammad as the last prophet who had brought a complete and comprehensive universal law for humanity but dey also believe that prophethood subordinate to Muhammad (S.A.W.) is still open. Prophet Muhammad is believed to have brought prophethood to perfection and was the last law-bearing prophet, the apex of man’s spiritual evolution. New prophets can come but they must be subordinate to Muhammad and cannot exceed him in excellence nor alter his teaching or bring any new law or religion.
        So buddy I advice u 2 properly understand n research before u post comments…….
        1. Hats off 2 ur logic……. wow now I understood y people over here praise agniveer after reading der posts….. so a new logic now google and picture of Allah(S.W.T.). Let me tell u some thing buddy, wen u search for a thing either in google or for dat matter in any search engine, if u dont hav da exact result… da search engine returns u da next best suited result… hence if u google does not a picture of Allah it will come up with results wich u mentioned before… So pls try avoiding dese kind of logics if possible…
        2. well I was expecting dis…….. instead of counter-questioning me y cant u answer my question as 2 y do u recite mantras in sanskrit??? y cant it b done in an understandable language….
        3. Its a pity dat all da brahmin pandits of dose times wer so evil n cunning. My question is if all da brahmins wer evil den dey could hav secretly gathered n could hav burnt da original vedas as dis cud hav helped dem in endless dominance over others…..? Wer dey foolishly evil n cunning???

      • @Irshaad
        When did i say castes are needed for certain professions??? The verse clearly states that being a brahmin or kshatriya are just professions which anyone can become. Shudra means an illiterate person, and by default, we are all born shudra. Now its our responsibility to gain education to become a brahmin or kshatriya or vaishya. Just like from school, you are free to become a doctor or engineer or lawyer. It does not mean that doctors have a seperate caste or engineers have a separate caste.
        I have seen that stupid website truthofhinduism, they are just giving false interpretations. Ever since Agniveer.com has opened, all the people that failed in debating us, decided to open up a site and randomly post their arguments in the form of articles. If you read their articles carefully, you would see that they refused to answer ALL the questions asked in articles on this site.
        Go research 73 sects of islam, you will surely see this one for sure!! There are some sects that do not believe in mohammad’s miracles as well.
        Well I am not here to defend Ahmedyas, so its better that you deal with their issues of mohammad being the last or second last messenger. Ghulam mirza actually said that mohammad was not the last messenger, that is why in Pakistan, many Qadiyanis/ahmedyas are banned or either tortured. Moreover, they even believe people like Buddha and Guru Nanak to be messengers as well, wheras Quran does not sanction their names.
        1)
        My logic still PROVES that you are an idolater. As per Vedas, we do not require to face any kaaba or bow before any idol REGULARLY WHILE WE PRAY, so now tell me, is it not better that you follow Vedas, and bow before nothing while you pray and not commit Shirk, or do you still prefer bowing towards the kaaba?
        2)
        Original sanskrit mantras are faster to recite and have a good balance of all the pitches and rhythms, and moreover, its TRADITIONAL…..and many hindus understand the mantras in sanskrit as well because durring every wedding, the same mantras are chanted, so you cannot say hindus do not understand the mantras!!!!
        3)
        Only some brahmins were evil and did this stupidity, otherwise if your logic be true, Sati would be happening in each and every part of India, which was not the case. Sati originated due to islamic invasion, I told you before, many Pathans, used to abduct single women, so this is why women decided to kill themselves, it has nothing to do with Vedas, on contrary, Vedas order women to seek life once again!!!!

      • Brother Irshad
        Giving links or discussing people was/is never a business of mine. I was compelled to do so by those who say Islam is fastest growing because it is best, muslims have unity, Islam has no discrimination but Hindus have etc etc. I always like to talk about scriptures like Vedas, Quran and Hadith.
        Regarding sect, you say you dont belong to any sect but Hadith says that Ummat will be divided into 73 sects and only one out of this 73 will go to Jannat. If you dont follow any of the 73 sects, you are anyway Non Muslim in first place, because a true Momin will belong to any one of these sects (however no one knows which sect is true sect). Thst is why I am so concerned about your sect Brother.
        No one has copyright over truth. So you need not keep yourself away from something just because not all Hindus believe in it. We should choose the best path available irrespective of its number of followers. There is no Hindu/Muslim for Vedas. Commandments of Vedas are given to all humans unlike other books which give commandments to either children of Israel or a Momin or a believer in Jesus etc. So anyway a Hindu cant claim that Vedas belong to him more than you because Vedas are for all.
        You can discuss with us any concept of Vedic ideology and then compare it with that of Islam and judge yourself which should be followed.
        best regards

      • @Vajra
        Islam is da best…. dis is wat I believe n most people accepting it as a part of der lives believe….
        I advice u Mr. Vajra 2 do some proper research abt da 73 sects before u write some thing abt it…. Prophet Mohammad said dat a person or a group who follows teachings of Quran n practice Prophet’s teachings will enter heaven…. And if I am following Quran and sunnah den I need not worry abt my sect since Allah will decide wich sect I belong 2 n whether I deserve 2 enter da heaven or not……. And one more thing if u yourself don’t know wich sect is goin 2 enter Heaven den y r u so concerned abt my sect as I think u need 2 worry more abt ur fate….
        Any new born baby b it of ny faith is a muslim so dis says dat Quran is for everyone n evryone shud return 2 da true path n I request u brother 2 come 2 da right path….. Take care

  28. Brother Jay,
    You said “We strongly believe, He Who has no enemy in and out of Universe”.
    How you justify this? Since your Eaaswar is sending Earth quakes, Tsunami, Floods and Cyclones and devastating millions of innocent peoples life. Every individual Human have many dreams in life, but all of sudden your Eaaswar is doing Mass murder. Dose these innocent people are the enemies of your Eaaswar? Does these things happening in this world without his knowledge? Why he is doing this? If he want to kill innocent people by sending all kind of troubles, why should he create us? and playing with our lives in ruthless way.
    Your Eaaswar has no heart at all. He is enjoying by sending all kind of troubles to innocent people around the world. He has no right to do like this. What kind of blasphemy did these innocent people did to him?
    Abdullah Reddy

  29. @ Abdulla,
    Ha ha…. You are a such great enjoyment to all of us. keep up writting. Your comments give us everything to entertain. I couldn’t help laughing seeing your repetative comments about Easwar bringing earthquake and Tsunami. In spite of a number of efforts of Agniveer to make you understand the logic, he(Agniveer) couldn’t convince you. But I can understand your state of understanding. It illustrates how diabolical islamic mindset has overcome the undestanding of Islamic youth and made them hadicapped.
    Anyway, Easwar is bringing Tsunami and earthquake in India in the same way as Allah is bringing disastrous flood in Pakistan. I don’t understand how the followers of Islam in Pakistan are suffering such calamities(in spite of Allah being with them). It seems Allah has started showing the glimpses of “Judgement day” to their own people.
    We, Hindu people, describe all this with Law of Karma. Longevity of a person is decided based on his karma in previous birth.
    I am 100% sure that you will keep on replying and being source of entertainment to all of us.
    Tamso ma Jyotirgamaya
    Rajeev

  31. ISLAM IS CULT OF HATRED, earlier i used to think Muslim terrorist and militants are misguided youths who got deviated from real teachings after reading articles of Ex-Muslim Ali Sina, Zakaria botros and many more I got to know in fact the Muslim terrorist and muslim militants are the real followers of ISLAMIC CULT. The Koran has verses which clearly says that Muslim should cut the head of non-believers (NON MUSLIMS)

  34. शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान
    शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान के जन्म दिवस पर स्मरण विशेष
    (22 October 1900 – 19 December 1927)
    भारतीय स्वतंत्र संग्राम में अंग्रेजी सरकार की रातों की नींद उड़ाने वाला स्वर्णिम अध्याय था काकोरी रेल कांड. रातों रात आज़ादी के दीवानों ने अपने आन्दोलन को गति देने के लिए धन की आवश्यकता की पूर्ती के लिए काकोरी रेलवे स्टेशन से चली ट्रेन में डाका दाल कर न केवल सरकारी खजाना लूट लिया बल्कि सोई हुई अंग्रेजी सरकार को उनकी नाक के नीचे खुली चुनोती दे डाली. इस आन्दोलन के मुखिया थे शहीद राम प्रसाद बिस्मिल और उनकी अगुवाई में वीर चंदेर्शेखर आजाद और वीर अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जैसे क्रन्तिकारी थे.बिस्मिल जी और अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला जी गहरे दोस्त थे. एक थे सत्यार्थ प्रकाश पढ़ कर आर्य बने ,ब्रहमचर्य व्रत का पालन करने वाले, सुबह शाम संध्या उपासना हवन करने वाले आर्यसमाजी बिस्मिल जी और दूसरी तरफ थे पांच वक्त के नमाज़ी कट्टर मुस्लमान अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जी. दोनों उर्दू के अच्छे शायर थे, क्रांतिकारी थे पर धार्मिक मान्यता से विभिन्न होते हुए भी दो शरीर और एक प्राण के समान थे.
    veer ashfakullah khan in jail
    शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान के जीवन की कुछ प्रेरणादायक घटनाये
    एक बार शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान किसी कारन से बेहोश हो गए तो बेहोशी की हालत में राम राम पुकारने लगे. उनके घर वाले अचरज में आकार सोचने लगे की एक मुस्लमान होते हुए भी वे राम राम क्यूँ पुकार रहे हैं. पास खड़ा एक मित्र इस रहस्य को समझ गया और राम प्रसाद बिस्मिल जी को बुला लाया जिनके आने से अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला जी शांत हो गए. ऐसे थी दोनों की मित्रता जो मत मतान्तर के आपसी भेदभाव से कहीं ऊपर उठ कर थी.
    एक बार कानपूर आर्यसमाज में बिस्मिल जी और अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जी कुछ मंत्रणा कर रहे थे की कुछ मुस्लिम दंगाइयों ने वहां हमला कर दिया. अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जी ने अपनी पिस्तोल निकल कर उनकी तरफ करके चेतावनी देकर कहा की रूक जाओ यह आर्यसमाज मेरा घर हैं अगर इसकी एक ईट को भी नुकसान पंहुचा तो आज तुम में से कोई जिन्दा नहीं बचेगा.दंगाई डर कर वापिस भाग गए.
    जब जेल में अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान और बिस्मिल जी बंद थे तो एक मुस्लिम थानेदार ने अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला जी को इस्लाम की दुहाई देते हुए कहाँ की तुम एक मुस्लमान होते हुए भी हिन्दुओं का साथ दे रहे हो तो अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जी ने कहाँ…

  35. की मेरे लिए एक हिन्दू राष्ट्र अंग्रेजी हुकूमत से कहीं ज्यादा अच्छी हैं.वह मुस्लिम थानेदार मायूस होकर चला गया पर इस्लाम की दुहाई देकर उन्हें सरकारी गवाह नहीं बना सका.
    धन्य हैं वह माँ जिनकी कोख से अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जैसे शहीद पैदा हुए जिनके लिए मत से ऊपर उनका देश था. आज के मुसलमानों के लिए अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान सबसे आदरणीय एवं अनुसरणीय मुसलमान हैं क्यूंकि उन्होंने देश को अंग्रेजों से आजाद करवाने में अपनी शक्ति लगाई नाकि पाकिस्तान को बनाने में.
    अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान की शायरी उनके सच्चे मुस्लमान होने का सबूत हैं जिसमे उनकी इच्छा जन्नत की नहीं अपितु बार बार जन्म लेकर इस देश की सेवा करने की हैं.
    “जाऊँगा खाली हाथ मगर ये दर्द साथ ही जायेगा, जाने किस दिन हिन्दोस्तान आज़ाद वतन कहलायेगा?
    बिस्मिल हिन्दू हैं कहते हैं “फिर आऊँगा,फिर आऊँगा,फिर आकर के ऐ भारत माँ तुझको आज़ाद कराऊँगा”.
    जी करता है मैं भी कह दूँ पर मजहब से बंध जाता हूँ,मैं मुसलमान हूँ पुनर्जन्म की बात नहीं कर पाता हूँ;
    हाँ खुदा अगर मिल गया कहीं अपनी झोली फैला दूँगा, और जन्नत के बदले उससे यक पुनर्जन्म ही माँगूंगा.”
    आज शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान के जन्म दिवस पर हम ईश्वर से यहीं प्रार्थना करते हैं की देश के लाखों मुस्लमान युवक उन्हें अपना आदर्श मानकर देश की सेवा करे.

  36. Bismil and Ashfaque did splendid job for unity, but Arya Samaj is ruining their good work done. Don’t misuse to drive home your ideology. Anything, anyone wants to propagate, should propagate on the merit of that thing. Alas! Arya Samaj is trying advance their agenda on hatred. It is shameful.

  37. he was on of the few muslims we indians can respect others being are abdul kalam,abul kalam azad,akbar the great was probably the most tolerant muslim king

    • i see as i know abar moved away from mainstream islam to create a religion based on sufi thought to bring hindus and muslims together and he was probably the only tolerant muslim king until the british came and because of jains he became vegetarian

      • Sufis were not better. You are confusing mysticism with tolerance. It is not the case. Sufis destroyed temples, pushing jizya tax etc… Here in their own words in their own writing you see how the Sufis were destroyers.
        “….Sheikh Jalaluddin Tabrizi (AH 533-623) was the second most famous disciple of Sheikh Shihabuddin Suhrawardi (AD 1145-1235), founder of the Suhrawardiyya silsila of Sufism. Having lived in Multan, Delhi and Badaun, he finally settled down in Lakhanauti, also known as Gaur, in Bengal.
        Devatala (Bengal) “Shaikh Jalaluddin had many disciples in Bengal. He first lived at Lakhnauti, constructed a khanqah and attached a langar to it. He also bought some gardens and land to be attached to the monastery. He moved to Devatalla (Deva Mahal) near Pandua in northern Bengal. There a kafir (either a Hindu or a Buddhist) had erected a large temple and a well. The Shaikh demolished the temple and constructed a takiya (khanqah) and converted a large number of kafirs… Devatalla came to be known as Tabrizabad and attracted a large number of pilgrims.”
        [S.A.A. Rizvi: A History of Sufism in India. Vol. I, New Delhi, 1978]
        Tarikh-i-Kashmir was written by Haidar Malik Chadurah, was a Kashmiri aristocrat in the service of Sultan Yusuf Shah (AD 1579-1586) and purports to give the history of Kashmir. Earlier portions are based on Kalhana’s Rajatarangini with some additions in the later period. It was begun in AD 1618 and finished sometime after 1620-21.
        Sufi Mir Shamsuddin Iraqi of Kashmir was a sufi of the Kubrawiyya sect who came to Kashmir first in AD 1481, next in AD 1501, and finally in 1505 in the reign of Sultan Fath Shah. He found it convenient to work as a member of the Nr Bakhsh Sufi sect. His doings are “anticipated” in the Tarikh-i-Kashmir as follows:
        “…Baba Uchah Ganai went for circumambulation of the two harms (Mecca and Medina)… in search of the perfect guide (Pir-i-Kamil). He prayed to God (to help) him when he heard a voice from the unknown that the ‘perfect guide’ was in Kashmir himself… Hazrat Shaikh, Baba Uchah Ganai… returned to Kashmir… All of a sudden his eyes fell upon a place of worship, the temples of the Hindus. He smiled; when the devotees asked the cause of (his smile) he replied that the destruction and demolition of these places of worship and the destruction of the idols will take place at the hand of the high horn Sheikh Shams-ud-Din Irraqi. He will soon be coming from Iraq and shall turn the temples completely desolate, and most of the misled people will accept the path of guidance and Islam… So as was ordained Sheikh Shams-ud-Din reached Kashmir. He began destroying the places of worship and the temples of the Hindus and made an effort to achieve the objectives.” [Tarikh-Kashmir, edited and translated into English by Razia Bano, Delhi, 1991, pp. l02-03. ]
        Siyar al-Aqtab was completed in AD 1647 by Allah Diya Chishti and deals with many miracles performed by the Sufis, particularly of the Sabriyya branch of the Chishtiyya silsila….” read the rest here http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-4-sufis/

      • Read more about uncamoflaged intolerant Sufis from the writings of the Sufis and Muslims themselves here
        “…Since that time, while researching my forthcoming book, The Legacy of Jihad, I have discovered that there are many other influential Sufis who shared, and who share today, these bigoted views. Sufi intolerance is clear from, most importantly, never-before-published translations of the great Sufi Al-Ghazali himself, as well as from statements by an important contemporary Shi’ite Sufi ideologue, Sultanhussein Tabandeh….” http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/02/bostom-sufism-without-camouflage-beyond-stephen-schwartz.html
        This is the writing of the Sufi Al-Ghazali “…[O]ne must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – primarily Jews and Christians] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…
        [T]he dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle…Jews, Christians, and Majians must pay the jizya [poll tax on non-Muslims]…on offering up the jizya, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits [the dhimmi] on the protruberant bone beneath his ear [i.e., the mandible]… They are not permitted to ostentatiously display their wine or church bells…their houses may not be higher than the Muslim’s, no matter how low that is. The dhimmi may not ride an elegant horse or mule; he may ride a donkey only if the saddle[-work] is of wood. He may not walk on the good part of the road. They [the dhimmis] have to wear [an identifying] patch [on their clothing], even women, and even in the [public] baths…[dhimmis] must hold their tongue…. [2] (From the Wagjiz, written in 1101 A.D. Emphasis added.)…”

      • Far from following Sufis, Akbar instead incurred Sufi anger for not subjugating Hindus they way Sufis demanded the way islam demands of infidels. Mysticism is NOT the same as tolerance. More on Sufi intolerance in history.
        “… Yet in his own words he glorified how Islamic hordes had despoiled India , sacking the infidel Hindu shrines for the glory of the true faith, saturated the land with the blood of idol-worshippers, and jizya imposed. Khusro lamented that the sultans had adopted the Hanafi code because it allowed them to categorise Hindus as dhimmis; which meant a third-class existence as opposed to outright extermination. The Sufi preacher Sayyid Ali Hamdani came from Hamdan in fourteenth century to Kasmir where after making converts made moved to stop Hindus building temples and restrict their religious practices as they were forced into dhimmi status, including payment of jizya.
        Sufis fully supported the oppression and often forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam, accepting the gifts of adolescent boys and young women to their khanqahs and dargahs. …
        … His grandson Akbar is often portrayed as a tolerant ruler. Yet it was Akbar who made an annual pilgrimage to the Dargah of Muin-ud-din Chishti at Ajmer as he believed it was through the blessings of the Chishti saint through which he begot a son. Yet Muin-ud-din was of course the foremost symbol of Islam’s ceaseless war on Hinduism. Akbar was however more pragmatic than most which explains practical steps to involve powerful Hindu groups such as the Rajputs into becoming pillars for Mughal rule, such as abolishing the jizya poll tax. This of course earned the wrath of many, including the Sufis….” http://conservativepapers.com/news/2012/03/19/beauty-and-the-beast-of-sufism/

  39. न थका हु न थाकुंगा
    , रुख दरिया का भी मोड़ दूंगा,
    मै सूरज हु युही दमकता रहूँगा,
    जब तक जान है इस एहले-चिराग
    में,पर्वतों की ऊंचाई को नापता चलूँगा
    …

  40. @ Boota
    We are here to unite and not to divide people. It was the Islamic invaders(Arab,Turk, Mughal), who divided this sub-continent in two warring communities- Hindu and Muslim. Before them all were followers of Dharma (Sanatan Dharma, Buddha Dharma, Jain Dharma). They co-existed for over one thousand years without any bloodshed. Rarely any religious war took place before the arrival of these barbaric invaders.
    Only traitors like you who enjoys the resources of this country but praises Arab and Turk invaders, can speak like this.

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