Based on statements and threats of beef-lovers we came across.

Beef lover: Beef ban is against constitution and anti-democratic

Agniveer:
1. I think you read constitution of Pakistan instead of India.
2. Beef ban came through a democratic process of voting, debate, elections and law formulation.

Beef lover: Poor tigers in Bombay zoo are forced to eat chicken because beef has been banned.

Agniveer:

1. Since when did you start loving tigers so much? And what crime has cow committed to earn your hatred?

2. Why not offer your own meat to tigers if you love them so much? Why suggest killing of my mother? Human meat is most tasty for tigers!

3. What do tigers eat in zoos of those cities where beef is banned since last 60 years?

4. If you indeed love tigers so much, then instead of having pity for their chicken food, start demand for their freedom from captivity. Start movement to get them back to their natural environment. Tamed animals like you can be replacement for the cages emptied. One, you can enjoy free chicken! Two, you would indeed attract much more crowd and hence generate revenue for economy. And this revenue can be used to feed those who have become unemployed because government disallowed them from killing cattle. Win win for everyone.

Beef-lover: Whole world is becoming liberal. And you are taking a step backwards. 

 Agniveer:

1. Then why not talk of liberation of cows and bulls as well? Why all notions of liberty must circle around you? Are you center of universe?

2. Why does your notion of liberty imply that others must be your slaves that you can kill anytime?

3. If killing cow is liberty in your definition, then why you have problem with human flesh? Because as per you, more intelligent an animal you kill, more liberal you are! And since you claim to be most intellectual, you must be killed first to make world liberal.

Beef-lover: How will we encourage foreign investments in country with such regressive laws? What will foreigners eat?

Agniveer:

1. Would you or any of your beef-headed group refuse to go to USA or Switzerland because you don’t get Vada Paav there? Would you refuse to explore opportunities abroad because you can’t find lungi to wear?

2. I never heard any sane foreigner refusing to travel because of food and culture. In fact majority of them ( those who matter) are sensitive to cultural diversity and respect local customs. On contrary they enjoy the same. No one will die because beef is not available. No sensible foreigner will refuse to invest because beef (the most unhealthy form of meat) is unavailable in India! Even in developed countries, there is increasing trend to replace beef with other forms of healthy alternatives since beef is considered worst form of meat and triggers cancer.

3. Rest of India continues to attract foreign investors and people despite non-availability of beef. Middle-east continues to attract foreigners despite non-availability of pork. Gujarat continues to be leading investment hub. I never heard anyone preferring a state because of food habit.

Beef-lover: My life, my choice

Agniveer:

Yes, My life, my choice. And my choice is to protect my cattle. My choice is to thrash those who attempt to kill my cattle. My choice is to show zero tolerance to those who don’t respect the constitution and sentiments of our freedom fighters. My choice is to be ferocious guard of my mother – Mother India, Mother Cow, Mother Culture, Mother Language, Mother Vedas, Mother Earth. And it is my choice to consider these as Mother. And it can be my choice to kill those who attempt to kill my mother.

Moral of story: Restrict your choice of moving your hand till it does not touch my nose.

Beef-lover: So many people in beef industry will get unemployed. Who will feed their families?

Agniveer:

1. Why don’t you start feeding them? Charity begins at home.

2. Then also demand for legalization of narcotics trading, terrorism, human trafficking. They also feed millions of families.

3. Refer first point. Get yourself in zoos. That will generate a lot of fund to feed these families.

4. Agniveer suggests that these families be put in alternate professions. Why not dairy and agriculture? Let the hands that killed cow till yesterday become humane and serve the same cow.

Beef-lover: It is Hindus who sell off their old cows for beef industry. It is Hindus who own most cattle slaughterhouses. Blame them. 

Agniveer:

1. Yes, we blame them. Does it change the fact that cow is mother for majority of Indians?

2. If you are so concerned about old cows, please donate to Agniveer. We are working actively for protection and shelter of old cows. We use their urine and cow dung to generate electricity.

Beef-lover: Who are you to dictate what I eat?

Agniveer:

1. Who are you to dictate whom I must consider mother?

2. I don’t care what you eat. But I do care if you kill my mother. And to best of my capacity, I will stop you from dictating me my sentiments.

Beef-lover: Tomorrow I will say I worship potato. Then will you ban potato?

Agniveer:
0. Good luck. First make sure you have never eaten your Potato God in your life-time. In case you have just discovered that potato is your God, make sure you never eat it in future irrespective of whether it is banned or not.

1. Go and try enforcing such a ban. People will put you in mental hospital (and not jail!)

2. If millions of people believe so for thousands of generation, yes, you can try for ban.

3. When insane people like you announced the “massive” rally against beef-ban in Mumbai, no one bothered to even attend except a few people from erstwhile industry. No single representation from the likes of Rishi Kapoors and Farhan Akhtars who wept so much for being denied the right to kill my mother.

Beef-lover: You are spreading Hindu fundamentalism

Agniveer:

1. If considering cow as mother is Hindu fundamentalism, then shamelessly suggesting to eat my mother is communal hatred against religious sentiments of majority or Hindus. So you are spreading communal hatred.

2. Why you never dared to call the Indian constitution as “Hindu fundamentalist” for last 68 years? This source of this “Hindu fundamentalism” lies in Directive Principles of constitution of India. Thus by accusing cow-lovers and threatening to eat beef, you are being communal and anti-national at same time.

Beef-lover: A lot of Hindus also eat beef.

Agniveer:
1. A lot of Indians rape, murder and loot. So what?
2. A lot of Muslims eat pork. A lot of Christians indulge in seven sins. So what?
3. Law is not for Hindus or Muslims. It is for Indians. And as Indian, if you directly or indirectly kill cattle where it is illegal, you will land in jail.

Beef-lover: Even Hinduism endorses beef-eating. Rig Veda has verses recommending beef-eating. Beef was served in Yajna. Swami Vivekanand also ate beef.

Agniveer:
1. OMG. So much of love for Hinduism. For one beef-ban you did so much research. It inspires for more bans in future!

2. Cite one single verse in entire Vedas that endorses beef-eating. Its an open challenge from Agniveer that remains unchallenged even after years. Prove Agniveer wrong and Agniveer will eat beef with you.

3. I can show verses that suggest that such people should be severely thrashed. Do we now go ahead with it given that you claim to love both Hinduism and beef so much?

4. Were you personal cook of Vivekanand?

Beef-lover: Verse X, Y, Z of Rig Veda recommend beef-eating.

Agniveer:
1. Can you even decipher a single letter of Rig Veda? You are just copy-pasting from illiterates like Dr Naik and Dr Jha perhaps.
2. Agniveer has refuted this nonsense long ago. Ask your doctors to come with more credible proofs!
3. Why should we follow Hinduism based on claims of perverts like you whose love for Hinduism also emerges out of pervert fetish on tongue?

Beef-lover: This country belongs not only to Hindus but also to Muslims. 

Agniveer:
1. How is beef-ban against Islam? Cite one single verse in Quran that states that eating beef is central to Islamic religion.

2. There are several Hadiths which state that while milk of cow is beneficial, meat of cow is harmful for health. This proves that beef-ban is pro-Hindu as well as pro-Islamic.

3. Huge number of Muslims don’t touch beef. Do you mean people like Dr APJ Abdul Kalam are anti-Islamic?

Beef-lover: But most people in beef trade are Muslims. Why are you against Muslims? 

Agniveer:
1. One minute ago, you were claiming that Hindus are involved in beef business. Now you start putting that blame on Muslims!

2. Reality is that beef-trade has nothing to do with Hinduism or Islam. It is an illegal trade that promotes pollution, disease and poverty. And insults Hinduism as well as Islam. Hence ban is most welcome.

Beef-lover: Beef is cheapest source of meat and staple diet of poor. Why are you inhumane to them? 

Agniveer:
1. Shit is even more cheap and also contains fibers and proteins. Start eating it if other food seems expensive to you. You can also rummage through waste bins outside restaurants to save cost.
2. If beef is such staple diet, why is it not the most popular form of meat in India? Why it gets exported when so many meat-eaters stay hungry?
3. Beef is neither cheapest source of protein nor staple diet of poor. It is a harmful unhygienic food habit that causes cancer. Why do you hate poor so much that you want to feed them with cancer?

Beef-lover: India is largest exporter of beef. Beef ban hurts economy.

Agniveer:

1. Prostitution is more lucrative than beef export. Would you start with your family members to help Indian economy? Would you feel nice if I start seeing economic potential in flesh-trade of your mother? Then why judge flesh of my mother cow in monetary terms?

2. Replace beef-trade with grain-trade and you will feed more hungry and export much more.

3. Raise issue against opium farming if economy be concern. After all narcotics fetch much more money in international market than beef. Raise movement against restriction on narcotic drug farming.

Beef-lover: What about other animals? Why only cow? Why be so inhuman to other animals? 

Agniveer:

1. Are you a beef lover or animal-rights activist? Or are you an opportunist who changes colors like chameleon?

2. You mean to say that we must either ban all form of meat eating or allow beef as well. In that case, we must allow human killing as well unless even slap is punished. We must allow murders because we cannot prevent ISIS from killing innocents. Let us start from you. Why don’t you give your life to raise this demand?

3. Ban on beef is a first nice step in right direction. Nothing like it if entire world shuns meat. That would be a boon to environment and economy. If you indeed are concerned about other animals, stop this howling over beef-ban and instead become an animal-rights activist.

Beef-lover: Even milk of cow must be banned. You hurt cow in process. 

Agniveer:

Why this sudden surge of love for cows? Whatever be the reason, if you indeed believe so, you can go vegan. Many in world are doing so. And if you are so compassionate, you must be first person to welcome beef-ban.

Beef-lover: So many cows are being killed across the world. Why don’t you stop them? Are they not your mother? 

Agniveer:
1. A lot of people urinate in public toilets. Why don’t you then open your home for public relief as well?
2. So many innocents are being murdered by ISIS in Syria. So many heads are chopped off in Saudi Arabia. Does that mean we lift ban on murder in India?
3. Let people in other countries follow their culture. In my country, culture of my people will be followed.

Beef-lover: But this is not just your country. There are crores of people with diverse customs and traditions. 

Agniveer:

1. This is not just your country as well. There are crores of people with diverse customs and traditions who do not die for beef.

2. That is why I don’t impose every personal whim of mine on public. I go with views of majority so far they are not damaging and detrimental to anyone. Ban on beef does not hurt anyone’s sentiments. It only hurts selfish fetish of few perverts and money-generation cartel of some more. In return it damages environment and causes poverty.

Beef-lover: You are sounding so jingoistic and arrogant. 

Agniveer:

Did you expect Aarti after suggesting that you want to enjoy eating my mother?

Beef-lover: If cow is your mother, who is your father!

Agniveer:

1. This is the difference between true sons of mother and rascals. We consider everyone who nurtured us as mother. We respect each female as mother. We consider earth, nation, rivers, cow, culture and language as mother because they gave us so much selflessly. We live as humans because of their care. But rascals keep a dirty eye on every female, every giver. These pimps will no hesitate to sell flesh of those who gave selfless care. They make dirty joke on motherhood. They can’t respect womanhood. Shame!

2. Even your own mother is mother for us. Now think yourself how your shameless question insults her. Shame on you!

Beef-lover: I am a beef eating Hindu. Does that mean I am less God fearing then a non eater? Think!! (Rishi Kapoor)

Agniveer:

Why should I think for you? Is it that years of indulgence in vices has stolen your capacity to think? BTW, we thought, we acted and we got the beef banned 🙂

Beef-lover:  So now in Maharashtra you can have a beef with someone, but you can’t have beef with someone. (Farhan Akhtar)

Agniveer:

Very true. Good that reality is dawning on you. Beware that you don’t have beef with Agniveer over beef. You may end up being beef yourself. 

Beef-lover: Everyone in media and bollywood is against beef-ban. 

Agniveer:
1. That explains the mental bankruptcy evident in silly arguments of beef lovers!

2. So what? How many of them are putting a few crores each to rehabilitate people from erstwhile beef-industry into legal professions? 

Beef-lover: I enjoy taste of beef. You must also try. You will also enjoy. 

Agniveer:

I enjoy thrashing people like you. You must also volunteer once. You will enjoy the thrashing. 

Beef-lover: I will keep eating beef. Do what you can do. 

Agniveer:

I will keep thrashing people like you wherever I can and as much I can. Do what you can do. 

Beef-lover: Growth of Agniveer is a worrying trend. I see a future Bal Thackeray in you. 

Agniveer:
Be prepared.
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94 COMMENTS

  1. Dear All,
    I strongly oppose those all hidus, muslims and aal those eating any type of non veg specially beef & drinking any type of vine. Also hurt, kill or blame wrongly to each other or quarrel.
    The Pavitra Vedas says that,
    “Mitrasya Chakshusha Pashyamahe”.
    -All Those thing which are alive or not, I must see them as my friend.
    “Sarvetra Sukhinah Santu, Sarve Santu Niramaya”
    – May all become happy & healthy Nobody get any type of misery,
    “Samasta vishwa bhavtyek Nidam”
    – Whole the world is like a nest of a bird family
    “Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam”
    – Whole the world is a Family

    These are the feelings of Vedas, No any other religion has these types of philosophy

  2. Agniveer, why don’t people scared to take legal path to punish beef eaters instead of inciting violence by themselves? Instead of letting law enforcement agencies to treat such matters why is it necessary to gather a mob and kill alone person who is suspected for beef eating? Is it not cowardliness? 1 person against +100 mob. If Cow is your mother (not biologically but by faith) then that person who is lynched upon beef rumors was a Father, biological father. How does such acts acceptable to any GOD?

  3. It appears Agniveer and Radha Rajan were correct in warning in a certain Hindu Food article about pseudo-scholarship on beef by a clique of “scholars” and how anti-hindu people will use it against us.

    Radha Rajan ji, not sure if you’re reading, but your principled stand on intellectually arrogant but stupid/unwise hindus has been vindicated (you’ll know the link when you see it): http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/holy-cow-unholy-violence/article7727157.ece

  4. COW SHOULD BE PROTECTED BECAUSE ITS PART OF OUR VILLAGE CULTURE BUT calling it mother and trying to find out theurpatic value in cow urine is simply shit because you don’t purchase mother from market and milk is criteria for being criteria for being mother then buffalo and goats are also become mother the shit regarding cow urine has Hinduism mocking subject all over the world especially PORKIS HAVING BLAST. http://www.dawn.com/news/1155908

  5. Dear [email protected]

    This will help http://agniveer.com/about-agniveer/disclaimer/

  6. Dear Agniveer, I do not understand what is the meaning of the photo and the title?
    1- Title says, “Beef lover ripped apart”.
    2- Image shows a man slaughtering an arm of another man.

    Before all, I DO NOT EAT BEEF (neither bufflo, ox et al).

    Why have you been defending mother cow wherein the ban is for bulls, oxen, calves, buffloes etc, cow slaughter ban was already in existence.

    Secondly, why have you posted this photograph? What does it implies? Does it implies that you are a big debater and have beaten a big time philosopher? Or it simply means that if anyone will come and argue, this will happen? Also, where does this take you? Does it takes you at the winner’s podium? What about Beef lover?

    I have ead all of the comments above, like Naren pointed above, “Bringing Vivekanand” was a disater to this thread.

  7. @ Naren

    – This is exactly what Hinduism ‘actually’ is if you go into the roots of Vedas, that asks a person to not be a Hindu but a Human, “ManurBhava” it says. “‘Sarve’ Bhavantu sukhinaha” is the mantra- “May ‘all’ be blessed!”, and not just Hindus, Vasudaiv Kutumbakam- “Entire humanity is my family!”. Now compare this with sectarion religions which claim that only there set of followers deserve to escape an eternal hell somewhere! Spend some time on this site specially on the Vedic concepts and you will understand these are not mere theoretical hyperboles but a different way of percieving and living.

    – So if you are for not protecting cows and are all for their slaughter inspite of their lifelong contributions, you are still not a cow hater?!?

    – Jainis eat plant products.

    – Punishment is harsher now.

    – Bulls are included, good step!

    – It makes sense. Not to you perhaps. You might wanna introspect why if at all you are interested.

    – You are free to remain ungrateful. Who’s stopping you? Some didnt wanted to remain so. They endeavoured to end this inhuman practice. Gained political points in the process. What’s wrong in that? Is developmental politics not the very thing we want to shift towards from appeasement politics (Dont ask how it will lead to development, dont further reveal your level of ignorance in this matter, please. Go through ‘Why beef-lovers are completely wrong?, instead’)

    – Ruling party mentioned in their manifesto to Ban the malpractice. They won through majority, in a democratic election process, and did as they had promised. If you have a problem in this, go and try for reforms in our democratic process.

    – How do you become non-secular by standing up for innocents and defenceless?

    – Might need not always be right. But protecting the mightless by might is, and will always be right.

    Gau Mata ki jai!

    • Dear Arjun,

      Thank your for your response.

      I had asked a clear question to let me know as to which interpretation of Hindusim you refer to. You didn’t provide any scripture reference to the nomadic words you quoted above. From what “pluralism” socalled “inclusive” writeup u gave above and a few of the articles on this site, seems like you attest to the teachings of Dayanand Saraswati or Vivekananda. Would you like me to quote the vitriolic sectarian points in Dayanand Saraswati’s writings or unveil the not so secret hypocrisy of Vivekananda. OR worse, do you consider your understanding of the vedas different from all the scholars? Please answer.

      From all that I have seen, with each interpretation at loggerheads, this is more of a case of six blind men and an elephant. No matter how much you bend backward to accomodate your “inclusiveness”, even in exclusivity in inclusiveness. Please do not demonstrate your shallow understanding in logic and philosophy by asking he question “How”.

      Unless you are a humanist believing in naturalism (which is again exclusive), all world views including “Atheism” is exclusive in nature.

      For true definition of being a true loving inclusive human, please refer to Luke 10:25-37, Matthew 5:43-48 (for lack of space I cannot paste it) in the Holy Bible. Can give you a few hundred more references on the basis of which the Red Cross, Salvation Army and scores other render service to ALL HUMANITY… whereas the ones believing in your philosophy are busy bringing “acche din” for cows and bullocks while thousands of human beings commit suicide or sell themselves as sex slaves in this state and country to fend off hunger. Bland “feel good” philosophy without an application cycle is meaningless. Hope you begin to see the difference (Jeremiah 29:13)

      I never like nor wished to deride any other faith, but your “sectarian” and untrue comment forced my hand.

      Running out of space… more in my next…

      • Hi Naren,

        Read your exchange with the horny teenager. You seem very, very erudite with your responses.

        I would like to understand, though, what you mean by ‘ Would you like me to quote the vitriolic sectarian points in Dayanand Saraswati’s writings or unveil the not so secret hypocrisy of Vivekananda.’

        Dayanand Saraswati being sectarian is fine, but the not-so-secret hypocrisy of Vivekananda? I would like to know more about it. Can you enlighten me please?

        Thanks,
        Karmegh.

      • Dear Karmegh,

        Thank you for your kind words… m enjoying this with the “horny teenager” going in circles.

        Did Swami Vivekananda Believe that All Religions are True? Sometimes Yes, Sometime No.

        In the following quotes excerpted from the writings of Swami Vivekananda, one would note that at Swami Vivekananda spoke and wrote even contradictory things depending primarily on the audience. For example, in the Chicago address Swami Vivekananda spoke about Buddha as the fulfillment of Hindu religion, then in Madras he mentioned that Buddha was a Hindu rebel and at another time he wrote that Buddha was a demon.
        Buddha and Christ- Second Rate Heroes: In the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Volume 1, Karma Yoga, Chapter VI: Non-attachment is complete self-abnegation, Swami Vivekananda wrote:

        “The Buddhas and the Christs that we know are but second-rate heroes in comparison with the greatest men of whom the world knows nothing. Hundreds of these unknown heroes have lived in every country working silently. Silently they live and silently they pass away; and in time their thoughts find expression in Buddhas or Christs, and it is these latter that become known to us.”

        Buddha and Christ – Inferior to Krishna: In the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Volume 9, Gita Class, Sister Nivedita’s notes of a New York Bhagavad-Gitâ class, recorded in a June 16, 1900 letter to Miss Josephine MacLeod, records the speech of Swami Vivekananda thus:

        “There was an implication throughout the talk that Christ and Buddha were inferior to Krishna — in the grasp of problems — inasmuch as they preached the highest ethics as a world path, whereas Krishna saw the right of the whole, in all its parts — to its own differing ideals.”

        MORE IN MY NEXT….

      • Dear Karmegh,

        On Vivekananda, CONTINUED FROM EARLIER…

        Buddhism a Rebel Child, Christianity a Patchy Imitation of Hinduism: In the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Volume 3, the work before us: Delivered at the Triplicane Literary Society, Madras, Swami Vivekananda said:

        “Ours is the religion of which Buddhism with all its greatness is a rebel child, and of which Christianity is a very patchy imitation. One of these cycles has again arrived.”

        Buddha a Demon who Ruined India, Christ Ruined Greece and Rome : In the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Volume 5, the East and the West, Swami Vivekananda called Buddha as a demon. However, the editor of the Complete works added in the parenthesis that Swami Vivekananda later changed this view in 1902. The question that remains is – if the change happened in 1902, what about the message at the Parliament of Religions in 1893, where he mentioned that Buddha was the fulfillment of Hinduism? Let the readers make a conclusion about such contrary stands at different times. The quote is given below:

        “On the advent of Buddhism, Dharma was entirely neglected, and the path of Moksha alone became predominant. Hence, we read in the Agni Purâna, in the language of similes, that the demon Gayâsura — that is, Buddha (Swamiji afterwards changed this view with reference to Buddha, as is evident from the letter dated Varanasi, the 9th February, 1902, in this volume.) — tried to destroy the world by showing the path of Moksha to all; and therefore the Devas held a council and by stratagem set him at rest for ever.” (Emphasis mine.)

        Further in the same work, Swami Vivekananda wrote:

        “It is only the Vedic religion which considers ways and means and lays down rules for the fourfold attainment of man, comprising Dharma, Artha, Kama, and Moksha. Buddha ruined us, and so did Christ ruin Greece and Rome! ”

        Many many more are there.

        In Christ

        Naren

    • Dear Arjun,

      Have responded to you sectarian philosopy in my earlier comment.

      With ref to your comment on the ban, m sure not a single person voted for this party so that a ban can be enforced on bullock slaughter. Hope you do not reveal your ignorance again in not knowing the difference between a referendum and a general public election vote… fedup with Congress, people voted for an election “jumla” (as mentioned by Amit Shah) of “acche Din” for themselves and their families… not for bullocks. Those responsible didn’t “endeavor to stop this inhuman practice” but to pacify morons, illiterate masses and political stooges on failed electoral promises.

      Have read your article on “why meat eaters are wrong”… though i may agree to some level on the ecological considerations, even that article is surprisingly also, in the words of another commentator is, a rant by a horny college kid! To demonstrate… not even a newbie college kid with basic knowledge of science would equate “excreta’ with “an egg”… by that definition, you are drinking the blood of your mother (cow) assuming ofcourse that u atleast have milk products.

      U consistently setup a strawman that I am a cow hater, AGAIN… NO… but, I am neither a cow lover. You do not see the sentience difference between a human being and a bovine… no wonder, in this illogical system, the punishment will be more harsher if someone who kills your bullock than if someone molests your sister.

      If you have any semblance of honesty left in you please use the word “bullock” in your response and not “cow” since this ban was about bullock slaughter ban & NOT cow slaughter. Do not fool ur readers that u are using the word “cow” to refer to the entire bovine family… if that’s the case, since India is a patriarchal society & u r known by ur father’s name, please initiate use of “bullock papa” before “gau mata” & signoff on “Bullock papa ki jai” instead of “Gau Mata ki jai!”.

      Hope…

      • @ Naren

        * You may think for yourself that why is this fact hard to digest for you that I am blind follower of none. No one’s personal philosophical word/ concept of Supreme/ Universe is final authority for me. But still am a believer in concept of Universal Humanism, will still consider any human as a fellow human as long as that human considers all humans as fellow humans, and not as followers of a particular faith or this or that individual. Will never even think, even in dreams about hell for a fellow human, no matter if he/she follows the same set of beliefs or some other set. I think what you consider as the worst scenario is what applies to this person you’re discussing with. But this is not because I am greater than all those scholars. But because Vedas themselves are against the concept of herd-behavior and demand that we must only believe in those concepts which we can verify directly or indirectly through one or more ‘pramaanas’ (methods of proof).
        I will take what appeals to my logical mind and intuitive heart from any source be it Vedas/ Quran/ Bible and leave anything that has sectarianism of human beings in it, on basis of caste, gender, region or religion.

        * ‘How’ was asked because your statement wasnt logical to any degree in the first place. You said beef-ban is non-secular. I ask how do you claim it to be against spirit of secularism, since secularism is about keeping affairs of state and religious institutions separate. Whereas, cattle-slaughter/ banning the practice, is something which is a matter of choice, to be decided by us, the people through the process of ‘democracy’, regardless of us being Hindus/Muslims/Christians. How you are ‘sure’ that no one voted because of beef-ban in manifesto, only you can best understand. But what matters is that this ‘was present’ in manifesto of ruling party, and people of a democracy, knowing this very well, voted them ‘in’ for fulfilling the mentioned promises. And now,…..

      • (Cont)…you’re ranting because you dont come in that part of demacracy which demanded this very situation. Get it?

        * Try as hard as you want, you are the ignorant arrogant school kid here when you say milk= blood. Equating of egg and excreta was done because of the conditions of extremely poor hygienic conditions of poultry farms. I hope you get the (duh) logic now.

        * You need not be a cow hater. Doesnt matter what label you want to give yourself, fact remains you dont value their contributions and are all for selling them for meat as and when they become unfit for milk production. This attitude is worst. No matter whether you’re a hater or a lover.

        * You are wrong bro, punishment HAS to be as much and even 100 times harsher for molestation of any sister, doesnt matter your’s or mine. But it also has to be harsh enough for cattle slaughter, atleast so harsh, that no one dares to even think about doing it.

        * By cow, I subconsciously meant cattle. Sorry for any confusion that might have caused. And if you use any of such derogatory words again- “if cow’s your mother then who’s your father”, we arent discussing anything anymore, bro. Otherwise we’re better off in a fighting cage than on a discussing platform like this, (sorry, I mean ‘I’ am better-off, and you’re on ground, soundly pounded upon!).

        Good luck

      • Dear Arjun,

        I tend to assume that if I articulate “a,b,d,f”, then you can surely figure out “c, e”… that’s a sign of genius… but looks like my expectations were high. Anycase, let me break it down you for you.

        “Secular” by its definition means “Doesn’t endorse any religion as its official world view, that it will protect the rights of the minorities”… this “bullock ban” was meant to “appease the majority and quell the minority voice” this is against any secular definition for a country… AGAIN, READDDD… I had said earlier that the punishment should be harsher if anyone molests your sister or mine but in this moronic “secular” democracy, killing a cow will get you harsher punishment than molesting a female.

        About the “egg/excreta”, you say “conditions of extremely poor hygienic conditions of poultry farms”… again was hoping you will not say this… anycase, are you aware of the extremely poor hygienic conditions in the fields where crops are sprayed with harmful chemicals to enhance yield, carried in sacks infested with worms and rats, vegetables are washed in water flowing besides railway lines contaminated with human poop? all dirt for an egg is outside the hard egg shell, whatever minuscule enters is killed when the egg is cooked. Scientists rather encourage eggs as the safest and most wholesome food you can eat.

        Lastly, brother, you appeal to cows, chicken, etc as “innocents” who are killed. Can you give me an example of something that you eat which doesn’t contain life or not derived from a living organism. Life by its very definition means a system which grows by absorbing other living beings. You can have a “heartbleed” for these innocents only if you are a direct orthodox follower of Mahavira who would go around begging for food who he is not guilty of killing “innocent” plants for food and eating only that which would have been wasted anyway. Jainism is again atheistic inherently… u surely seem a confused…

      • Dear Arjun,

        M glad to hear from you… you said “am a believer in concept of Universal Humanism”… was hoping you won’t say that since “humanism” by its very definition is atheistic in nature and is based on human reasoning alone. So, please clarify whether you have atheistic pre-suppositions. Humanism is totally based on human welfare reasoning and not “cow welfare”… again, by that reasoning, your article becomes meaningless.

        You speak about hell, from a theological perspective, hell is a place where there is no fellowship with the Almighty. This is a place for those who have voluntarily denied HIM and want to be away from HIM. The Bible clearly says that the Lord wills that none should perish into hell (2 Peter 3:9) and implores that you choose life and not death (Deuteronomy 30:19)… it is a choice that we have to make. If the good Lord doesn’t like to see anyone loose HIS fellowship, how can I even dream about hell for a fellow human being?? Dude, you seriously need to study other scriptures with an open mind before you deride/deny a world view on half baked knowledge.

        You said “I will take what appeals to my logical mind and intuitive heart from any source be it Vedas/ Quran/”… in other words, you believe in making up your theology “on the fly” thereby denying any absolute truth. This belief system that you have invented is a sect on its own and therefore you are sectarian in your own right. Before you respond… PLSSSSSS… look up the meaning of “sectarian”. By the way, then, even cow slaughter cannot be absolutely wrong.

        If u say that u believe in an absolute truth, then u cannot just accept what u want to believe & what appeals to u, but that what is given to u as an absolute truth. There r many such versions of “absolute truth” out there, question is… have u investigated seriously? I have… Dude, u seriously seem to be an atheist.

        Anycase, to u ur own. God loves u as much as HE loves me.

        In Christ,

        Naren

  8. Profoundly stupid article. Humans and cows are fundamentally different. Cows are animals–humans are sentient beings. Violence toward humans is not comparable on any level with violence towards animals.

    A ban on beef *is* undemocratic in the sense that it does damage to the fundamental rights of the few, while being in accord with the sentiments of the majority. While this may be so, it does not give any right to a Hindu majority to take away the fundamental rights of religious minorities. A ban on beef is fundamentally based on the Hindu religion, and the Indian government is secular. Any law that significantly promotes one religion over another is religiously based, and violates the fundamental separation of church and state.

    • So let terrorists be allowed to kill human as it is their culture and it should also be one’s fundamental right.So lets start with u And ur family. Is it right according to u..?If someone kills ur mother,what would u do..?U will say then that as it was his culture , I must not punish them as it would be interuption on their right…..!….Justify man.

    • and also if someone tries to kill my mother,I would first kill him before attempting to do so…. AND NOTE THAT THIS IS MY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT…!

  9. Was this article written by a horny teenager? The articles on this site were of a better level than this.

    This is simply a rant. It is like a child clapping its hands gleefully on the announcement of the beef ban. There is no logic, just a petty sense of jubilation over what can be considered a hypocritical small victory.

    I am a Hindu, I have tasted beef and the only reason I don’t eat it in India is because I don’t like the way it is cooked. If someone gives me well-cooked beef, I will eat it.

    In case the simpletons behind this article don’t know, the people of Kerala, Hindus and others alike, eat beef and enjoy it. Not that I am a Keralite, mind you.

    I think we need to think above food and banning meat and all. The world has raced ahead of us and we are still thinking about what to eat and what others should eat. How different are we from countries like Saudi Arabia if we start banning small things like this?

    Now there could be many negative responses to my comment. I hope there is just one civilized, educated opinion than just some religious monkey hopping up and down asking ‘will you eat your mother?’, ‘will you eat dog?’, ‘i will rip you’ or something of that sort.

    The standards of this website are seriously falling…

    • @ Karmegh

      I am certain that my repulsion of ‘concept of organized religions’ is way higher than yours. But buddy seriously, will you eat your dog ? !! ? I mean, if it’s well cooked and everything..

      And since banning is something we must not do to ANY thing in order to ‘feel’ progressive, may be we should abolish laws banning murder and plundering by your logic. By your logic, it should be a ‘small thing’ to murder after all, because,- Hey, the victim doesnt even exist afterwards !?!

      So shut up and follow the law!

      There’s logic in banning it. There are loads of logical reasons. Read ‘Why beef-lovers are completely wrong?’ if you dont know them yet, because of you being an ignorant-and-arrogant-horny-whatever-ager.

      • Dear Agniveer,

        In response to your comment ” will you eat your dog ?”… m not sure whether you are aware, in many countries, they do… so, the question is more of “whose dog”… hope you are able to discern between an emotional connect and a dietary choice… you are setting up a strawman. The law is skewed in favor of a majority by a communal party trying to pacify the masses when unable to deliver on electoral promises. Any normal common sense and general knowledge shall tell you that diet is very much tied up with the availability of food sources in a particular area.

        You state “I am certain that my repulsion of ‘concept of organized religions’ is way higher than yours.”… surprising since on your website defend Hinduism which is a religion… a world view… m sure you will now launch into a claim “no no… Hinduism is a philosophy… not a religion”… would love to take you up on that thought process too dude…

        Your “So shut up and follow the law!” is cause the so called law falls within the confines of your skewed belief system. You say this with audacity since there are Hindu fundamentalists who have instituted this… what if there was the Jains who somehow win and then institute a host of dietary restrictions… and believe me, their “scientific and logical” reasons for those restrictions are much much more stronger than what you quote in your article… would you toe the line since you believe in “shut up and follow the law”?? brother, you seem to be a good person at heart, over zealous yes… but still a good person… please do try and use your God given common sense and you will realise that the evaluation of this article by @karmegh as “written by a horny teenager” and “This is simply a rant. It is like a child clapping its hands gleefully on the announcement of the beef ban.” does hold water.

        Hope you and the rest of the mentally insulated readers give it a thought.

        God bless.

        Nare

      • 1. I am not the Admin, but an inspired visitor.

        Secondly, if you consider Hinduism to be just another sectarian division, I am anything but a Hindu. But if you see it as it rightly is,- a liberation from sectarianism, endeavoring to see all beings without any discrimination on basis of caste, gender, region or religion; as one family, then I am surely a Hindu.

        Thirdly, if you cant see the logical reasons mentioned here against beef eating as a social practice, then you seriously need to look within, see and reconsider that who actually is the overzealous pseudo-liberal blind-believer here.

        4, Law of a country you have to follow; or else change it through democratic process if you think it’s unjust. That’s what culture lovers just did, and that too by properly following democratic process. It’s the cow-haters who are ranting and cribbing on their defeat actually.

        5. Whatever be the nature of this article, it’s a million times more rational and sensitive than what cow-haters use as so called arguments to defend their lack of sensitivity and urge to satisfy their taste buds through inhumane means. And I dont assume that it’s not deliberate, nor should you. “You bring a flower, you may get a bouquet in return. But if you bring a knife, dont expect to go back without getting thoroughly ripped apart yourself.” You are bound to get a taste of rudeness if you are rude yourself.

      • Dear Agniveer,

        Thank you for your response.

        I am shocked that you refer to Hinduism as “a liberation from sectarianism, endeavoring to see all beings without any discrimination on basis of caste, gender, region or religion; as one family, ” seriously man… what is the color of the sky in your world?? please do let me know which interpretation of Hinduism you are referring to… definitely it is not what the Sanatan dharma, upanishads, the puranas and various other laws dictate… most importantly it is not the vast heritage, history and “culture” of our country demonstrate with more babas than sane people.

        Firstly, u are again setting up a strawman by calling those against the ban as “cow haters”, since I and many others like me do not eat beef but feel strongly against this ban which is an infringement of the constitutional rights of an individual. By ur definition, Jains can refer to u as “plant haters”?? & most Hindus as “chicken haters” & “fish haters”. The logic that u ve used is pathetically shallow. I am not insensitive to the Hindus since I am all for a cow slaughter ban… the cow slaughter ban is in place since decades. What is now in place is the ban on the slaughter of bulls… this is not just a point for appeasement of the taste buds… This ban and article on protection of “Cow mata” doesn’t make sense since this ban was all about protection of “Bullock papa”. This was jst an eyewash for appeasement of the masses by a political party hoping to score some brownie points… and many many morons have fallen for it.

        You know it as many of us also do that what you refer to as “rant and crib” is not on defeat of “cow haters” but the shaming of a democracy especially India which calls itself as secular but is now anything but secular. This was not a “victory” by culture lovers but more of a demonstration of might is right… and hope you are aware that “might is right” is not what a democracy is all about.

        I…

  10. सनातन धर्म मे बहुदेव पुजा का गलत ट्रेन्ड सदियोसे चला आरहाहे / लेकिन सनातन धर्म (आज के हिन्दु जिसको कहते हे ) मे बहुदेव बाद का जिक्र नही हे शास्त्र एक हि परमात्मा का हवाला देता हे “एको ब्रह्म दुतियो नास्ती” . जिस तरह कुरान कहता हे कि “कुल्हु अल्लाह अहद” . श्रीमद भागवत गीता कहते हे ” द्वाबिमौ पुरुशौ लोके,क्षर अक्षर अवच /क्षर सरबानी भूतानि कुतस्थ अक्षर उच्यते /उत्तम पुरुषस्तो अन्य /इति परमात्मा उदारित//” अर्थात् अक्षर पुरुष (कुरान कि भाषा मे नुर जलाल) से भी परे जो अक्षरातित पुरुष (कुरान कि भाषा मे नुर जमाल/जिसको अल्लाह,खुदा ) केहेते हे जो दिब्य परमधाम (बका अरसे अजिम) मे सदा से स्थित एक अक्षरातित परब्रह्म पुर्नब्रह्म्पर्मात्मा (नुर जमाल /अल्लाह/खावंद /परवार्दिगर ) को हि स्मरण/ध्यान/प्राथना करना हे दुसरे सब बिभुति (देवता/फरिस्ता=उस परमात्मा/अल्लाह का चुने हुए कारिन्दा हे ) सम्मानित हे पुज्य नही /पुज्य केवल एक परमात्मा/अल्लाह हे / धर्म को समज्ने के लिए किसी एक मजहब/गिरोह कि अन्दर रहकर नही बल्कि उस एक परमात्मा/अल्लाह को साक्षी मानकर समग्र बिस्व को एक परमात्मा/अल्लाह के परिवार देख्कर उनका संसार सृस्ति का कारण को समज कर धर्म शास्त्र (वेद और कतेब) दोनो को एक हि परमात्मा का दिया हुवा पबित्र हिदयात्नामा समज्कर देख्न होगा /

    परमात्मा/अल्लाह (नुर जमाल ) /अक्षरातित उत्तम पुरुष/श्री कृष्ण एब अक्षरातित पुरुषोत्तम सग्गित //
    परमधाम (नुर मकान/नुर बिलंद /लाहुत )
    अक्षर पुरुष /नुर जलाल (अक्षर धाम/जबरुत )
    अक्षर पुरुष के स्वोप्निक स्वोरुप =आदि नारायण/बिष्णु/अजाजिल फरिस्ता / उनके धाम को कुरान मे मलकुत/बैकुण्ठ कहे ते हे /
    ब्रह्मा , बिस्नु ,महेस / मेखायिल, अजाजिल, अजरयिल फरिस्ता (सांकेति रुप से )
    मृतुलोक =नासुत जगत हे
    सृस्ति :
    नारायण के जीव सृस्ति =आदम के सन्तान /आम खलक /ख्वाबी दम /जीव सृस्ति
    अक्षर के जीव =इश्वोरिया सृस्ति /खास उम्मत (जबरुत से संसार मा आते हे )
    अक्षरातित के जीव =ब्रह्म्सृस्ती/मोमीन/खासल खास उमम्त

    इश्वोरिया सृस्ति और ब्रह्म्सृस्ती मुक्त जीव हे नारायणी स्र्सिती बद्ध जीव हे /

  11. Dear Agniveer,

    As a followup to my earlier comment… if your article was only and only for “cow meat” ban, then your above socalled responses to comments made by “Beef lovers” is meaningless since they were ALL made AFTER the “appeasement” ban of slaughter of bullocks and buffaloes and not for the 1970s ban of cow meat slaughter… in that light your entire article is meaningless…

    I really really hope that you do not comeback with some “face saving’ strategy by saying “oh… I am against slaughter of all animals… this is a good start”… that would be laughable…

    Again, I DON’T EAT BEEF and am happy with chicken and fish… 🙂

    Also, to clarify, I am all for the ban on “cow slaughter” only in the light of respecting the feeling of my Hindu brothers and sisters. As the Holy Bible says in I Corinthians 8:13, “Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.” In I Corinthians, chapter 8, the Scripture deals with meats and the limitations of Christian liberty. What I truly find offensive is the political system and ill-informed writers misleading gullible people.

    I really hope integrity will be shown atleast in allowing my posts to be published…

    Take care

    God Bless

    Naren

  12. Dear Agniveer,

    I just read on your article.

    My thoughts.. firstly you seem to have well read but I am surprised that you are chanting the same political jingoism used by politicians to get votes.

    You seem to atleast make some show for logic and “definitions”… lemme ask you… what do you mean by beef?? You seem to have shown the thrust in the above article only to cow meat whom you call “mother”… are you not aware that cow meat is banned since 1970s… the current ban is for slaughter of even buffaloes and bullocks… this was done by govt for appeasement of morons who are not aware of facts. Even you seem to be playing the same tune… why? I have been clarifying to so many of my Hindu friends when they thank the govt for banning the slaughter of their “gau mata” that this “gau mata” ban was in place since decades… what’s banned is only buffaloes and bullocks now… so, question is after the security of the “mata”, is the bullock considered “papa” and the buffalow “bhaiya” that the masses are getting so esctatic about?

    Lemme clarify that I DON’T EAT BEEF (cow, bullock, buffalo, etc.). what you have written above is meaningless since your gau mata is “secure” since decades… With the above clarity in place, incase you were aware of the above mentioned fact and still wrote this skewed and misleading article, then shockingly, this is nothing more than appeasement.. truth be damned… more like a Zakir Naik for the Hindus… incase u were not aware of the fact, then u need to make due changes to the above writeup.

    All the responses that you made above in a very “trying to be funny” attitude to comments “Poor tigers in Bombay zoo are forced to eat chicken because beef has been banned.” is meaningless. You were again appealing to emotional nonsense with no shred of truth… tigers in zoos were fed bullock and buffalo…

    Even if you do respond to my comment, am sure it will be strawmen

    I am not sure…

    • Dear Brother

      Please correct your facts. The current beef ban in question has brought 2 changes. First, it included oxen and calves in ban. Second, it increased punishment for killing of cows, oxen and calves. The earlier punishment for killing cows was too petty to be taken seriously. There is no ban on water buffaloes.

      And yes, when Hindus respect cow, it implies that both gender and calves are included. To reply in “trying to be funny” way, it is stupid to assume that Hinduism would be against killing of cow, but would not mind feeding parents and children of the same cow to lions or beef-eaters. It is like someone touching feet of mother but punching the face of father of his friend. We are clear on our stand on this – as evident from title of the article.

  13. Sam,
    Only fools can shout like this. Think logically and come to conclusion.
    Sananthan dharma cannot be destroyed. If it was so, hundreds of years,the foreign invasions could have done that.
    Still this Dhrma shines day by day.
    thanks

  14. I have read all the NDE stories given by you. But, this is not a new thing for me. 2-3 years ago, I was also searching true purpose of life. I had encountered with so many NDE stories, philosophies of past birth, solipsism, Butter fly effect, holographic theory of human existence. I was un -biased towards these theories. But, I had made some parameters to judge their authencity. After some research on these topic , I relized that these topics are nothing but the creation of brain(intentionly or unintentionally). I accept most of the people experience NDEs are not fake. Their experiences are true but it is only relative truth , means depend on personal attitude( affected by Religion, Race, philosophies and self made perception). But, here we are talking about absolute truth. Every religion of the world and phiosphies tell us that absolute truth is same for everyone. so,it should be unchanged, pervades from space and time, having no discrepancies . but you will see a lot of discrepancies according their beliefs. Any unbiased person would be baffled about the authecity of NDEs and past birth. I am going to relate a no. of story from different walks of beliefs.
    1)- Howard storm, a professor at northern Kentucky university, he was suffering from severe ailment when he experienced NDE. He saw Jesus as only saviour. He cured all his illness. He used to be atheist but now a Christian.
    2). Dr. Rajiv parthi had experienced rebirth , and OM word. But, christian beliefs holding person NDEs only saw this life, Jesus and no past life.
    3) Vasudev pandey-interviewed in 1975, he told that he had experienced Hindu god Yamraj. he informed that yamaraj had made a mistake he taken soul of student vasudev instead of the Gardner vasudev. But, when he realized he returned the soul of student vasudev and took the soul of Gardener Vasudev. After sometime, it has been proved that a gardener named vasudev found dead in a village 30 km. Apart from student vasudev’s…

    • Part2- Vasudev pandey story is close to Hindu belief.
      4)-Lee from China had NDE and seen Buddha in his experience. He related different story according to Buddhism.
      5)-Rabbi Alon experienced NDE according to his Jews belief
      You can watch all videos on YouTube by typing their name.
      Now, you tell why Jews and Christian belief holding persons do not see past birth events. Why there are so much discrepancies in relation ” Absolute truth”.
      I realized a much simpler explaination that does not even need to use science, it is just common sense. I am sure I am not the first one to notice this but I never heard anyone every make this point. Let us for a moment assume that near death experiences are indeed truthful indications of an afterlife. Then we have something very interesting going on. Christian people who go through near death experiences have reported seeing images of Christ. Buddhists people may report seeing images of Buddha. And this continues from religion to religion. Each religious person sees an image associated with his religion. So if near death experieces were was real afterlife then it would imply that Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, and so on, are all correct religions. But that cannot be. All these religions cannot be correct. Is it more rational to say that these religions are all correct, or to say that near death experiences are really associated with the images that the person has a care for – and so rather people see images only to which religion they belong to? If all religions saw images of Jesus, then that would be interesting, but no, religions see themselves. This is why I do not buy into the whole afterlife thing through near death experiences and past birth.
      You have not given answer who is real Marlyn Monroe. Is Adrian Finkelstein is a fraud? Are you buying all the philosophies which are being circulated by some specific groups. Thanks

  15. There is no edit option 🙂

    Sorry, I was doing multitasking , there are few typos in my previous comment. Here is the revised portion:

    In USA, USDA (United States Department of Agriculture) has asked Americans to seriously think about the environmental impact of the food they eat. USDA has strongly recommended to stop eating red meat especially cutting beef as much as possible.

    USDA recommendations are quite powerful in USA. The guidelines are used to set food policy in schools and other big institutions which in turn influences the behavior of big food suppliers.

    It is very much scientific basis and we Indians should be proud of this fact that our ancestors already knew that eating any meat especially red meat is not good for health and it creates very bad impact on the environment.

    Cows should be raised only for dairy and no cow or any dairy animals should be used for meat.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/beef-environmental-impact_n_5599370.html

  16. In USA, USDA (United States Department of Agriculture) has asked Americans to seriously think about the environmental impact of teh food we eat. USDA has strongly recommended to stop eating red meat especially cutting beef as much as possible. USDA recommendations are quite powerful in USA. The guidelines are used to set food policy in schools and other big institutions which in turn influences the behavior of big food suppliers. It is very much scientific and we Indians should be proud of this fact that our ancestors already knew that eating any meat especially red meat is not only good for health but it is also not good for environment. Cows should be raised only for dairy and no cow or any dairy animals should be used for meat.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/beef-environmental-impact_n_5599370.html

  17. @Truth Always Prevails

    There are a lot of NDE stories in which unconscious patients explained accurately what was doctors doing & talking in operation room, what was happening in other room of hospital, how was their family members reacting. All these information proved true. Many of them said they were being shown their past lives also. When all information given by them proved true How can you say they are lying when it comes to reincarnation? Please must read this one & do the Evaluation, be focused on this only. I am waiting for your critical evaluation

    http://ndestories.org/dr-rajiv-parti/

  18. @Truth Always Prevails
    ____________-don’t you think there a lot of differences in year of death and birth don’t you think there a lot of differences in year of death and birth_________________

    I think, It is at least very less from the day of judgment.

    ____________Whenever, you open a site, you will find Indian domain website. _____________

    Professor Adrian Finkelste in is not Indian nor Muslim or Hindu.

    _______________There are lot of scientific evidences which claims that past life regression therapy____________

    What is connection between boy and regression therapy here? Professor Writes his experience with a child

    a boy named Robin Hull who often spoke in a language his mother couldn’t understand. She contacted a professor of Asian languages, who identified the language as a dialect spoken specifically in the northern region of Tibet. Robin said that he went to school many years ago in a monastery, and that is where he learned to speak that language.

    However, the truth was that Robin wasn’t even of school-going age and had yet to set foot in a classroom.

    • You are talking about Adrian Finkelstein. He is a classical past life regetession therapist. The boy about which you are telling is a bundle of lies rumoured by some people just like Finkelstein. If you want more information on why Finkelstein therapy and other who are involved in this are fake then read Wikipedia of “Cyptomnesia and “Confabulation”. It will help you to find the truth. Internet is full of different phiosphies some claims we are the result of humanoid genetic engineering, some says this world is holographic means a game running on big computer, some says we are only the result spontaneous consiouness and nothing is physical in this world, some says this world is the projection of a real world in other space and time and so on. ….. I will tell you a famous story about reincarnation of American actress Marilyn Monroe ,But with more than one reborn Marilyn being claimed, disillusionment is the more likely outcome.

      Scottish-born singer Sherrie Lea Laird, who now lives in Canada, made the same claim several years ago, based on her own apparent memories and a series of past-life hypnotic regressions conducted by Dr Adrian Finkelstein in the United States.

      The story is told in Marilyn Monroe Returns: The Healing of a Soul. In this life, Sherrie – who was born nine months after Marilyn died – has had success as a recording star. Her recording of No Ordinary Love was a No. 1 hit in Canada and Europe. But she also felt suicidal at times and was convinced she had lived before. It was only under hypnosis that she claimed to be Marilyn (see excerpt from BBC documentary).

      This is a story I am familiar with, and which I included in The Big Book of Reincarnation.

      Another claim to be Marilyn reborn came from a Hungarian model named Zsuzsanna in 1999. A number of people remarked on how much she looked like the Hollywood actress and various publications featured her as Marilyn’s reincarnation. One headlined its story: “Marilyn is still alive”.

    • Part 2
      …..it appears that hungarian model Zsuzsanna underwent hypnotic regression in 2005 during which she confirmed her past life as Marilyn Monroe. The story was told in her biography but Zsuzsanna’s website, on which an English translation appeared, is no longer accessible.

      28-year-old Englishman, shop assistant Chris Vicens, is yet another reborn Marilyn.

      “Yes, people have scoffed,” he told the Daily Mail in 2010, “but I know what I know. When I first awoke from my session and the therapist told me who I’d said I was, I thought: ‘No, that’s not possible — what are the odds of that happening?’”

      Chris told what emerged during five sessions with regression therapist Fiona Childs: “She was murdered in her pool house, then dragged to the bedroom and stripped. Five people were involved in her death. Each time I regress, I learn a little more. I like to think I am a sane and rational girl.
      Adrian Finkelstein concludes with the observation that “no serious scientific researcher can ever claim absolutely a reincarnation, as psychics and astrology may do. Even in the amply-documented case of Sherrie Lea Laird, I can only say that she appears to be the probable reincarnation of Marilyn Monroe.”
      Now Mr Abdu Rasul, you decide if we believe all the hoaxes on the internet spreaded by Finkelstein like people then it is also on the internet that American President John F. Kennedy is alive and hunting aliens on the moon. Evenost of the people have proof that Jhon F. Kennedy encountered aliens at area 51 research station, after that he was falsely killed but not died, now he is conducting a research on moon. My advice to you don’t believe everything , open your mind and analyse every story by putting them in general population experience. Thanks

  19. @Abdu Rasul….psychiatrist Adrian Finkelstein describes a boy named Robin Hull who often spoke in a language his mother couldn’t understand. …
    There are lot of scientific evidences which claims that past life regression therapy is nothing but a bundle of lies. This therapy is more in vogue in India because of its vedic cultural influence. Whenever, you open a site, you will find Indian domain website. You know what I mean. If you want an exact answer why this is a hoax then refer wikipedia of Cryptomnesia and Confabulation. It is pure psychology articles avaible on internet.
    James died in 1945 in 2nd world war, born in 2004 , don’t you think there a lot of differences in year of death and birth. What he was doing remaining 59 years? Had he taken birth in 1945 and died in 2004 and again taken birth in 2004 as James. I think, good option for you will be, he was on wait list 59 years, when god find vacant body he allotted it to James. This is more or less Boothnath story. Don’t you think?

  20. @Truth Always Prevails
    __________________________- suppose I did bad deeds in previous birth by killing cows and god made me a Lion or tiger in this life, how can I be again born as human, because as a lion I am still killing cows. In this condition god is no more helping me for attaining moksha. _______________

    I can not comment on this much. But There are many evidence of reincarnation. Please go to the link read article and you tube video

    http://alisina.org/?p=3869

    A two years old boy remembers who he was a marine during the WWII whose plane was shot down by the Japanese.

    NDE experiences has changed life of many people.

    I can not give more links here because comment will not publish if do this.

    • Mr. Abdu Rasul( by whatever name you are called). I think yours view are atheistic a little bit which are induced by some people who are still confused. You are giving link of Ali sina, I know him well but not by his pseudonym name but by his way of writing and indecent languages used for defaming some specific religion. You are following those people who are totally confused with his own logic. Ali sina(pseudonym) was used to be atheist but now he is telling I am agnostics ( doubt in existence of god). Now, he started to believe in spritual energy( proof, NDE). you can understand him by reading his article of 2013 and 2015. You will see a dramatic changes in his views. Even he accepted, I am going through quantum changes in my perception. The people who are two timers, will you believe them? Ali sina is so much confused in his own theory that he even said that if majority accept some ideas then it means idea has some flaws and became obsolete. According to him for being a good idea , idea must me uncommon among people. This is the level of his intellect.
      I have seen many NDE videos, but what I understood from those videos is the sign of existence of souls and its creator(God). But, after extensive research what I found that every NDE person relate different story according to their religion. So, it can be result of brain hallucination. Still I am not negating NDE.
      I totally refute rebirth philoshphy, because I never ever got a evidence which reinforce rebirth. Don’t run after exception and lies spreaded by some people. Because human brains are designed in such a way that are vulnerable to bizzare things. Suppose, i tell you that our haman race are the results of some alien humanoids genomic research without any proofs. Most of the people will believe it. Because, human brains are tended to fiction according to psychologist. You will find fiction more soothing to your brain than reality.

      • @Truth Always Truimps

        _____________So, it can be result of brain hallucination. Still I am not negating NDE__________________

        You are suggesting that these people did not actually experience anything real but only dreamed and hallucinated. That is quite a presumptuous statement. Let us leave it at that. I only want you to explain how these people could gain mundane information such as what happened in the operation room when they were unconscious or better yet, how could they see and hear their relatives in the other rooms of the hospital and report accurately what they did and said. Also please tell me how they gained information during their “dream” that they did not have prior to that.
        A man who had an affair with a woman when he was young and left her did not know he had a son with her. When he died he met a man and his mother whom he did not recognize but they were saddened because he had abandoned them. Upon his return and recovery he thought and remembered the woman. He set out to find her and of course she was dead. His investigation then showed that she had born a son some nine months after he left her. The son lived for 36 years and he found his grave. Please explain rationally how this man could come to learn about his son whom he did not know of or that the woman whom he had forgotten had never married again and also had died. You say he just dreamed while he was clinically dead. This is scientific baloney but let us not get into that. Just explain how did he come to know about his son and his death.

        There are hundreds of such stories online. Blind people report they saw for the first time during their NDE. Patients report they could read the minds of the people. They not only recognize the doctors who operated on them, even though they had not known them prior to the operation they shocked them by telling them accurately what they did and said.

      • @Abdu Rasul…you always picked darker side of my comment. You should read my full comment, I am saying that I am not negating NDE nor propagating it. Becuase , I have got bipolar statements from both side some negating it and some accepting it. So, without first hand experience, I can not say anything. But, I am sure souls do exist. I have seen so many NDE videos 2-3 years ago but I didn’t reach to any conclusion. Every one relate his own story. Even, you claimed in your first comment that a two year boy remember his past birth of world war 2. Do you see any coherence between 2 years boy and 2nd world war. A 2 years boy can not relate a story of world war 2. This is baseless to say.

      • @Truth Always Prevails

        How could a 2 years old boy tell about “Natoma “aircraft carrier of Americans in 2nd world war?
        How could a 2 years old boy explain about American fighter Aircraft “Corsair” in 2nd world war? How could a 2 years old boy know about Second World War pilot Lt. James M. Huston pilot whose aircraft shot down by Japanese and about his fellows? And all his information proved true. Please do some research you will find many surprising facts.

        And What say you about this?

        In his book, Your Past Lives And The Healing Process, psychiatrist Adrian Finkelstein describes a boy named Robin Hull who often spoke in a language his mother couldn’t understand. She contacted a professor of Asian languages, who identified the language as a dialect spoken specifically in the northern region of Tibet. Robin said that he went to school many years ago in a monastery, and that is where he learned to speak that language.

        However, the truth was that Robin wasn’t even of school-going age and had yet to set foot in a classroom. The professor investigated further based on Robin’s descriptions and eventually settled on a monastery in the Kunlun Mountains that matched the information the young boy was able to relay. Robin’s story inspired the professor to actually travel to Tibet, where he located the monastery. Finkelstein specialises in hypnosis and past-life therapy.

    • Plants have more developed senses than animals. I am talking about only those people who consider ‘Adharma’ for killing a cow for food then they must follow ultra vegetarianism means feeding on leaves and fruits only. Because plants have life too. Plants have possessed all the scientific qualities to say them alive. By the way, plants are not insentient. They have developed senses even humans do not have those senses.
      In most part of the world killing animals for food is not considered immoral. We believe god created thsese for our benifit. Do you think 90% people are fools or devoid of intellect. If you are thinking then it means you are a chauvinist. Every medical research are conducted directly on animals. Should you we stop those research for saving animals and stop the progress of medical research? Should we use animals for bali only for apeasing Kali Mata as happening in Nepal?. Should we reject the revelation of God. What if, the revelation of God is only truth and all other things are whispers of Shaitan. Should we accept those philosophies which are the result of intuitions? Should we accept those philosphies which are the result of human’s limited knowledge and prone to error? Should we accept those philosophies which counter attack each other? Its up to you and lie in the will of god what you chose, a mere philoshphy or revelation from the full of wisdom and knower of unseen in the universe, one and only living God.

      • I am a plant scientist. Plants are grouped in separate kingdom than animals because they are very much different than animals. They do no have digestive, circulatory, nervous system etc. They are totally different species. Plants have life but they do not have any neuron or sensory systems to sense pain or pleasure.

        Moreover, to get better vegetation, they need pruning, mowing and sometimes even controlled fire to trigger woody seed pods to open and release seed onto a fresh and fertile ash bed and reduce competition for seedlings and encourages new growth that is food for many animals. Whatever you can do on plants to increase their yield and productivity, you can’t do on animals. They are totally different kingdoms so eating plants is not against Dharma 🙂

        It is also important that we should protect our forests. We are dependent on forest on various ways and the most important is that they help us breathe. They provide us the oxygen and absorb the carbon dioxide. Almost 80% of the biodiversity also live in forests, so cutting forests, we are making them extinct. Moreover, they have very big impact on environment. Just few examples – Forests keep earth cool and reduces global warming by absorbing CO2. Large forests influence weather pattern and promote rainfall and also prevent flooding.

      • First, you should give a proof from Botanical books that Plant does not feel pain.
        Modern science has already proved that Plants can feel pain and even they cry.
        So, I will call you Pseudo Scientist and do not make fool to anyone.
        Animal worshiping cannot be accepted in any manner.

      • simple plnts dnt hv central nervous system like us which cn identify pain. can u prove otherwise?
        we adore animals like cow

  21. @Abdu Rasul
    ___________________Rabies virus has no cure. Should we kill all dogs which are infected? If yes , then we should kill all HIV+ humans. If no, then why you are not killing these these infected animals. Although, you justifies killing of all mosquitoes,_________________

    Firstly, We should try to abstain ourselves from any kind of violence. But if they harming the nature, lives of others, I think there left no scope for us expect killing of them.

  22. I am really agreed to Mr. Agniveer. Cow slaughter must be banned not even in India but all over the world. And why even cows , mosquitoes, house flies, cockroaches, rats and every living creatures which are continually becoming victims of human. So, before banning we should take extra measures and try to find out the root cause of the killing of these animals which are speechless to human tyranny. First of all import holy cows from other countries for avoiding slaughter , register their model no , satck them in inventoried them in Indian parliament newly made parliament house for better safety. Then ban All out, Martin rat killer and antibiotics from killing other small living creatures like cockroach, mosquitoes and bacteria. You know because a new born child need more care than adult so, first we take more emphasis on saving mosquitoes and cockroaches because they are very vulnerable creatures. Agli baar “New World Order” ki Modi sarkar!

    • @Truth Always Prevails

      Dear Bro, Do you think killing of person like Jesus, Mother Teresa and people like ISI Fighter, a mass murderer same?

      Do you think killing of a rapist of your’s woman and protector of your’s woman equal?

      Why not rapist of your’s sister be awarded and protector be punished to death?

      Who are mosquitoes and cockroaches among these who only harm to this universe & humanity and everything including flora fauna, water etc?

      • Abdu Rasul…Perhaps, you have understood only literal meaning of my comment. Try to get between the line meaning. My mean is to say there are so many organism who are more useful than cows I.e. sheep, buffallow, goat etc. Then, do not you consider killing them is a crime too. Even, plants are more beneficial than any animals. Should we stop eating them because they are beneficial to us. Harm and benifit do not decide which animal to kill and which to protect. A no. Of diseases like RH factor, AIDS and Ebola, REO viruses are came from monkeys. Should we kill all of them because they are spreading incurable diseases. I think you are not one who will decide which to kill and which one not to kill. God has created balanced food chain so don’t disturb it. Will you prevent a lion hunting cows and bulls by enacting a law. When god has created carnivorous animals, I think god knew that carnivorous will kill herbivores. I think god has more mercy than all of us, then why god created carnivorous.

      • @Truth Always Prevails

        ———-there are so many organism who are more useful than cows I.e. sheep, buffallow, goat etc. Then, do not you consider killing them is a crime too———————–

        Yes, if they are beneficial for humanity, universe or any how they should be protected and avoid killing of them.

        consuming of plants, leaves, fruits not called killing. Why?
        Sucking the mother’s milk by child not called killing . Why?
        .
        ________ Of diseases like RH factor, AIDS and Ebola, REO viruses are came from monkeys. Should we kill all of them ___________________

        People who do unnatural things with these innocent animals and invite these fetal disease, must be punished..

        __________When god has created carnivorous animals, I think god_____________

        God did not create them. Your present is result of your past actions, thoughts. Your future will be result of your present thoughts and actions. You create your ownself. Go to link

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l-nbk_8EII

      • 1)-In cropping we cut whole plants for foods like pulse, rice and wheat. Fate of the whole crop destroyed in one seasonal cropping. 2)- AIDS is the only disease which spreaded out by unnatural sex but Swine flu, Ebola , and RH factors, REO viruses are not the result ofsex. There are no of viruses bacteria that were first animal born disease but now active in human. Rabies virus has no cure. Should we kill all dogs which are infected? If yes , then we should kill all HIV+ humans. If no, then why you are not killing these these infected animals. Although, you justifies killing of all mosquitoes, when only female mosquitoes are resposible for blood sucking and malaria. 3)- suppose I did bad deeds in previous birth by killing cows and god made me a Lion or tiger in this life, how can I be again born as human, because as a lion I am still killing cows. In this condition god is no more helping me for attaining moksha. 4)- my past action affect my present and so on. Tell me why population of humans increased after world war 2 & 1. According to your mythology this age is last epoch, don’t you consider that most of the people already attained moksha. Then, why population increasing. Why so many species of animals are endangered or extinct, now god do not need 33 crores yonis for birth and death cycle. Why overall population of animals decreasing and humans population increasing. Is everyone had done good deeds in past. Why some baby take birth but after 2-3 years they die without doing any good or bad deeds. Do they get moksha. Or, god does make mistake by giving yoni of humans in place of animals But, when god realize his mistake he again kill human and place the soul in animals yoni. I think your so called MBA degree holder manager God is inconsistent. (God has not created us for a drama or play, god created us for a reason and mark my words, there is no more rebirth cycles after death. Everyone will be responsible for his deeds at the final day of redemption).

      • @Truth Always Prevails

        ___________In cropping we cut whole plants for foods like pulse, rice and wheat. Fate of the whole crop destroyed in one seasonal cropping. __________________

        Over all eating plants is a better way than eating animals as it causes less harm to the planet and definitely less cruel. I will give some arguments in support of my view.

        Plants—unlike animals—are insentient beings void of central nervous systems, lungs, hearts, kidneys, intestines, blood, ears and eyes. They do not defecate or urinate, and have no ability to feel pain or experience a plethora of emotions. Nobody screams in horror when their neighbors are mowing the grass either (grass is a plant too). But if our neighbors were slicing pigs into pieces on the front lawn, there would be tears, physical interventions and the proper authorities would be summoned to stop the bloodshed. Plus, if people honestly believe it’s wrong to eat plants, they could always choose the ultra-vegan lifestyle of fruitarianism (eating the fruits and nuts that fall from

        There’s a Law of Reciprocity in existence and this is shown via the seed that all fruits of plants (including trees) contain! What is removed is replaced in Nature. When you kill an animal, LIGHTS OUT! That’s it! Animals don’t contain seeds within them that allow for 100 more creatures to return in their stead.

  23. i’m with you agniveer i read everything about the beef ban cow is like a mother to us. i will not entertain whatsoever *cow killing

    JAI SRI RAM……

  24. HI AGNIVEER.I AM A 18YEAR OLD ASPIRING TO BECOME A CS ENGINEER.YOUR POSTS HAVE REALLY SHAKEN ME.
    I ONCE LEARNT VEDAS(THE SUKTAS ALL 5 OF THEM I KNOW AND A BIT OF ARANYAKA TOO)I HAVE RECENTLY DEVELOPED A HUGE INTEREST IN MAHAHBHARATA.I HAVE READ BHISHMA,KARNA,DRONA PARVA FROM K.M.G TRANSLATION.IT WS FANTASTIC.I AM
    BEGINING MANU SMRITI NOW.ALL THESE I AM READING FROM SACRED TEXTS WEBSITE TRANSLATIONS.I OPE IT IS GOOD IF ANY BETTER WEBSITE YOU KNOW PLEASE TELL ME,
    JAI HIND!

    • Sacred Text is not a good website to understand Hinduism. They have translations from western scholars that are misleading at many places. We would recommend that you focus on spiritual aspects instead of rituals and history. The foundation of Dharma is “Knowledge is within”. So step 1 must be to strengthen the intellect to such levels that knowledge within can be unleashed. We strongly suggest reading all Agniveer articles at least once.

      • ALTHOUGH IT IS TRUE THAT RAMA N LAKSHMANA TOOK THE VOW TO ABSTAIN FROM MEAT AND WINE WHEN IN THE FOREST.MIND YOU
        AS PER BHISHMA IN SANTI PARVA
        EATING MEAT AFTER SANCTIFYING IT IS OK.BUT ON NO INSTANCE SHOULD ONE EAT BEEF, DOGS MEAT,…..ETC BUT MIND YOU MEAT EATING WAS PREVALENT IN KSHATRIYAS BUT IN A VIRTOUS WAY SO AS TO ANIMALS WERE NOT NEEDLESSLY KILLED.

    • agni0fire-light and wisdom
      veer-bolt-brave to face challenges,’
      but the problem is e cant argue or fight an intellectual battle of debate with ignorant abd arrogant fools. many anti hindu websitess r running on this basis.
      well let the readrs decide.

  25. have u seen/ read riddle of Hinduism by b r ambedkar?only weak,and sick persons use to abuse or calling name to his opponent-pl be humane and a good citizen.u r very learned person would u please inform me. the root of Hindu and its meaning.?

    • 1. Yes we have read Riddles of Hinduism. It showcases ignorance of BR Ambedkar regarding Hinduism. He himself admits that he does not know Sanskrit and relies on translations of western people for understanding foundations of Hinduism. It was frustration with existing malpractices in society that shaped his views. It is a case of misdirected anger. When one is slapped by a bully in school, the child is upset in home as well. That does not mean there is legitimate reason to hate his parents. But we sympathize with the child and are determined to teach the bully a lesson.
      2. We don’t use any abuse. But yes, if someone insults my mother, don’t expect aarti. I will die for dignity of your mother. But I will not allow you to touch dignity of my mother. I will break such hands. This is the spirit with which freedom fighters gave away their lives. We echo the same.
      3. Stop the habit of interrogation. Don’t be a self-proclaimed lawyer. if you indeed want to know something, ask with humble inquisitiveness. We have articles on site that explain essence of Hinduism. Read all of them if you want to genuinely know. If you are hear to spit your own hatred or prejudices, please read disclaimer.

  26. (Dr) Faizan Mustafa is the Vice – Chancellor of NALSAR
    University of Law, and an utter fool.he says -“Beef-eating was common in the Vedic and subsequent
    times even among Brahmins. It was probably for this
    reason only that the Vajpayee government’s draft Bill on
    cow slaughter justified the enactment of the law on
    grounds of cruelty to animals and not on religion.”
    Only agni can burn his innocence sorry rascalism.

    • 1. It is nonsense. But even if it is not, it does not even matter if something was common in some time. Riding on donkey was common 1000 years ago in Middle east. What matter are:
      A. The present
      B. The foundations
      C. The relevance

      Coming to beef:
      A. Today majority of Hindus worship cow as mother
      B. Vedas – foundation of Hinduism – clearly prohibit killing of cows.
      C. Cow slaughter is most polluting, most economically damaging, most hunger increasing, most cruel of practices. So it is irrelevant.

      Neither Vajpayee nor Mustafa are spokesperson of Hinduism or even experts in ecology/ economics. Lets talk facts and logic. Only fools take recourse to unverifiable history to counter reason.

      • i dont know brother, but people often quote some jha’s “myth of holy cow”. says that beef eating was common vedic practice, how can i counter it the next time the same nonsense comes?

  27. Dear agniveer,
    1. First of all i congratulate your for your tredding on the path of truth and seeking it on the same time.
    2. I am a muslim and strongly advocate of voluntary giving up of beef eating by Indian muslims to appreciate our hindu brother’s emotions.
    3.Now i am simply going to put forth my own view and it is not because i am a muslim but because i am a seeker of truth like you.

    a. As you said if someday a group come with the call for love for potato should india ban potatoes? You cannot discount the emotions and sentiments of such group by telling that you people have come up with this love in recent years not like thousands of years like us hindus regarding beef. If someday there arise people amongst us (somewhat like certain sects of jains) who say that we consider nature as our mother who has a soul and life and we cant see it being killed. So should India ban eating everything that is nature, that has soul to say?
    b. Muslims consider it the biggest crime and it hurts them the most when they see any one in the world associate partner with god (doing idol worship and worshipping multiple gods). So should india then ban idol worshipping to appease muslims emotions and sentiments?
    c. Sikhs do not like halal butchering and vegans do not like butchering at all. So should we ban it altogether to appease them?
    d. I am a proud Indian and love the diversity, plurality, acceptance and unity of my motherland. I bow to mother India i.e. vande mataram. I am a proud Indian muslim because the freedom to practice Islam is nowhere to be find in any other muslim ruled states. But when such bans are created (snatching away the valid rights of other citizens), when such thinking are promoted to appease a certain section of people and by debarring the rights of other groups, when government and legislative bodies support such discrimination i see diversity, plurality and acceptance of my nation fail.
    (watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmsWVuCmYZ4)

    • Plurality ? Appeasement ?

      Next ull say to keep democracy alive we should have a party that shld represent offensive jihadi terrorism.
      after all criminals also have rights and they should have a right to equality and free speech
      just like the others.

      water tulsi everyday & EARN some intellect to debate.
      Zakir Naiks n Ahmed Deedats with their page numbers and verse numbers seem to have destroyed ur logic.
      u dont walk in other ppls homes and teach them what to eat and how to keep their kitchen.
      If u want to keep that sick lifestyle relocate to The desert where they eat anything due to shortage of food,
      Our land is full of greenery n food as long as we worship the god here

      • Dear shray,

        I completely believe in vedic philosophies like:
        1. walk together in the path of truth without bias, injustice and intolerance
        2. Oja – Bravery in following truth
        3.Vaak – To speak sweetly for propagation of truth

        Your reply has shown that there is an absence of a wish to learn/discuss/debate/seek truth but simply an effort to throw up what ever the established believes are. Why do i say this?

        1. You have not touched upon the basic premise (banning a thing to appease one group sentiment) of my argument in your criticism of my views.

        2. You have filtered two words from my argument (appeasement and plurality) and used both the words in a contradictory and unscientific manner.

        a. With Plurality plurality you construed that it would lead to allowing Jihadi terrorism. Before i give you an insight on plurality i would advice to please check up that word and enlighten yourself.

        b. For appeasement you have taken an altogether contradictory stance to the one you are basically challenging. You said appeasement would mean that india should allow freedom of rights like equality and expression to the extent that it gives it even to criminals. Where as I completely in my argument said the opposite that we should not appease a group whether it is for banning beef or allowing jihadi mindset, philosophy, literatures etc.

        3. You have made claims where you have tried to be a gyaani by saying that my logic
        is based on Dr. Zakir naik and Ahmed Deedat’s. I would love to know from your gyaan as to how did you come to such a construct (idea). For your information just like i disagree with agniveer at few points (for whatever i have read his views) i disagree with zakir naik at many points (for whatever i have heard him on youtube).

      • continuing

        “History tells that societies based on adoration of persons fall prey to mental thraldom which leads to moral, intellectual as well as spiritual emasculation.” A truth seeker is not a slave to person, beliefs, religon or ideoology but is a slave to truth.

        4. You have put your words in my mouth by saying that i am trying to enter people’s home and teaching them what to keep in their kitchens. I have never said that and more so nowhere have i even given an inkling to that effect. Rather i am a firm believer for freedom and liberation (of one’s customs, culture, religions, diets) unless it curtails that of others.

        Now. Democracy means rule of majority. The ban on beef in Maharashta is democratic as it is the decision taken by the majoirty of Maharashta people (through their representatives in the assembly). But it is the beauty of democracy that the moment the majority changes or is challenged to change the decisions change. The indirect democracy that we have adopted in India creates a situation that the will of majority inhabitants of state and the will of majority of representatives of the state at times collide and contradict. It is here the intelligentsia, the civili society, the leaders need to come up and take the voice of the representatives (MLAs) in the state to echo the voice of the people.
        Again even if the majority of people stick to a decision which is in its spirit against Truth and correctness it is the job of the enlightened minority to voice their opinion and bring the truth in open so that the voice of truth is echoed by the voice of majority.

        Hence for democracy to function in its truest sense:
        1. Voice of people’s representatives must echo the Voice of majority of people.
        2. Voice of majority must echo the voice of truth.

        Ironically neither of the two happens in our country most of the times owing to absence of truth seekers like Agniveer and presence of (sorry to say) people who are slave to their whims,…

    • @Shuja, We appreciate your sentiments for humanity and nation. And are proud to have truth-seekers like you. Here are our brief replies:

      a. Ban on cow slaughter is not a new demand. It has been in constitution since inception. And no community in India has any philosophical objections to it. While beef is associated with Muslims normally, fact of matter is that there is nothing in Islam that demands beef-eating. In fact some Hadiths suggest beef is unhealthy while milk is good.
      b. Ban on beef is not purely on religious sentiments. It is based on religious sentiments that have complete scientific justification. Forget about India. WHO is recommending discouragement of beef across globe to eradicate hunger and pollution. So should it not be our duty to act proactively on this when it is foundation of our culture as well?
      c. Those who claim to love potato are those who are claiming so for sake of argument alone. Let there be genuine case of potato-lovers. And if there is merit in their demands, of course, there would be ban. Just as there has been ban on use of plastic bags and gutka in many places. After all why should there be reluctance in accepting a better path? And why should there is reluctance in accepting a better path just because there are hurdles in accepting a better path in some other domain?
      d. Jainism is based on foundation on self-improvement. In fact no Indian philosophy attempts to enforce own belief on others. So Jains attempt to practice their beliefs without imposing on others. As for cow, it is a socio-economic matter as well. It is not merely a personal belief.
      e. Tell me which sect considers something as holy or precious as mother and yet allows its killing? Except cow, none has such status? Then why allow killing of cow because of hypothetical assumptions that are not true in first place.
      f. A theological belief system has to be personal. In fact biggest problem with Islamic world today is emergence of those who want to impose their

    • belief system on others. Believe what you want to. But respect right of others to differ. Don’t throw them in Hell just because they differ from you. Case of cow is different. Unlike God, heaven, hell, prophet, angels which are all unseen, cow is a living creature that can think, feel and act. And a huge population revers this living creature as their mother because of her immense contribution in their lives. The killing of this creature leads to diseases, poverty, hunger and pollution. So how can its killing be justified just because some sect prays to God in some unique way?
      g. If you ask me, yes, vegetarianism is the future for sustainable world that is ecologically and economically fulfilling for all. Few decades from now world will be forced to gravitate towards vegetarianism irrespective of personal preferences purely because of survival needs, withering away of irrational love for meat and availability of more sustainable alternatives. Earlier we reach there, the better. But we believe in a sensitive approach towards this future. Please refer our article “Why I don’t eat meat” . From that perspective, ban on cow and bull slaughter is a sensitive and sensible move. Water buffaloes have not been included in this to ensure the ban is not abrupt. I personally would have included water buffaloes as well for other reasons.
      h. No one can explain how taste of beef can be considered a fundamental right. By that logic, even human flesh would be included. Supreme Court in 2005 noted this very excellently. Refer our earlier article for more on this. In fact, I would call those opposing beef-ban as self-centered bigots who are insensitive to plight of million, environment and future of planet, have no respect for scientifically sound sentiments of millions and keep their tongue-tingle above everything else.

      As for your thoughts on Muslims, I am personally proud to have people like you coming forward to break the dogmas associated with Muslims in these days.

    • Irrespective of differences in viewpoints, it is important that those voices among Muslims be brought in limelight that are proud of Vande Mataram and also proud of Indianism that gives full rights to practice of religion. It is necessary because currently such liberal voices are subdued by voice of terror-mongers like ISIS and intolerants like Zakir Naik. In fact I would recommend reviewing views of Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy, a wonderful well-wisher of ours who spearheads rationality in Pakistan.

      We thank you for sharing your thoughts on our forum. So far you are convinced of our genuine intentions to seek truth irrespective of temporary differences, we are also convinced that we will be able to unite all humanist Hindus, Muslims, Christians etc etc of India together under the mission of Vande Mataram.

      Agniveer

      • @Shuja Khan: We normally avoid giving such long replies. But regardless of difference in viewpoints, we felt a genuineness in your comments and hence were compelled to share our heart. Best wishes.

      • Dear Agniveer,
        I did read your reply on 14th April itself. I knew that to reply to such beautiful assertions I would indeed need hours. I have tried my best to take out time (given my civil services examinations, my NGO, my MBA assignments and study) for this and i am here with my humble effort to learn more from you. I do not present here views that i hold to be truth but views that i am in posession with and am all ready to change them given the relative truth unfolding upon.
        1. I am really glad to see your inclinations to reason and logic which is made more evident in the response you have given by not just addressing my basic premise to some extent but also providing related added viewpoints. I see in you a potential leader of the future or rather someone who should, if not otherwise, be adorning the mantle of leadership.
        2. There is a tendency for all succesful and bright minds to fall for their ego and self pride. Pursuing truth through logic, reason and facts is not a guarantee for posession of truth which is not absolute in the very first sense. More so truth is something that can only be sought nearness to and cannot be achieved in its entirety given the finiteness of our limited knowledge and resources. Light was made up of particles (truth of that time) until later it was realised that it does have a wave nature too (truth of today). Same can be said for other new/changing revelations according to scientific realities consistent with a given period, knowledge and resources at hand. Science thus has a debunking character and its theories are ready for falsifications. This brings us to an assertion that we can only attain a nearness to truth as much as the limited knowledge and resource we have at hand. Truth given our finite knowledge and limits at best is relative and not absolute. Hence we should always humble ourselves in our pursuit of truth by not claiming to be the only possessors of truth or to be the right one amongst all other wrong…

      • contd…and false ones. It is given this realisation a humble soul is ever ready to listen to the other viewpoints of differing parties without any bias and being value neutral in a hope that the opposite party might be the one closer to truth than me. A truth seeker cannot be an absolute religionist, an absolute atheist, an absolute right, left or centre. He is at best practising and learning student accepting with sincerity the knowledge at hand which may make him religious, atheist, right, left or centre. Sincerity to give unbiased readiness to opposing views is what defines a truth seeker.
        3. We don’t rip apart any one. This ripping apart is the ways of people like Hitler, Stalin, religious fundamentalists, extreme idealists, terrorists and violent monsters having different forms. The only ripping apart for an enlightened truth seeker is his own pride, arrogance, temptations and ignorance. To the enlightened the world is not ripped apart but mended within. The approach of truth seeker is to accept and appreciate his finiteness and offer humbly his finite knowledge to nature (people around) and learn back from it. In the effort to rip apart one takes the route of extremity with an understanding that one is the inheritor of truth and one is ready to destroy falsehood. How can a truth seeker with the knowledge of relativeness of truth call anyone else to be at falsehood and in that go on to destroy it. Taliban kills the kafirs (god rejectors and modifiers) because they think kafirs profess falsehood and talibs are truth inheritors. So the way out is sincerity and humility by offering and receiving knowledge getting nearness to a relative truth through the process of dialogue. I really congratulate you to have this wonderful quality to not do monologue (the general trend found amidst common men as well as the world leadership) but believe in exchange of ideas.
        4. This in no way is intended to teach or lecture or impose my views. I hope you will understand.

      • When Mother teresa gave the call for destitute and poor she ripped apart the very cruel and ignorant world by sending message of selfless love, care and sacrifice. This is just to throw more light on what ripping apart would mean to a humble truth seeker. Truth rips apart falsehood, light darkness and goodness evil but in a way that does justice to their very innate nature. You whole logical bent does resonate to the very approach but somehow the linguistic usage and tone do not.

      • Dear Shuja
        1. Thanks for your kind words. There is a leader among all of us – who guides us away from wrong and towards right. He is the true leader – Ganapati, Ishwar, Allah, God, self-conscience – whatever you may call him. Our goal is to awaken that leader in each soul.
        2. We completely agree with your second point. In fact that is basic premise of Agniveer philosophy. Truth may be absolute, we don’t know. But human brains are not designed to be in a situation where one can claim to be final word of truth. In a multi-dimensional, multi-sensory, multi-input, multi-output continuous world, notion and perception of truth is far more complex than a right or wrong. Hence, for all practical purposes, truth is relative. As Vedas explain, acceptance of better Satya must be constant process so that we come close to Rit – ultimate laws. (idam aham anritaat satyam upaimi). However while this pursuit of truth continues, one must assert convincingly rejection of evident falsehood so that rest of the world gets right examples and path to follow. Because, if a scholar just answers – I am not sure – to every question, that will only deter even the beginners from path of pursuit of truth. If you read through Agniveer articles chronologically, you would find this conviction coupled with refinement of thought-process. Truth is a verb, not a static noun.
        3. “Rip Apart” is a figurative usage. Used specifically for those who argue just for sake of argument – not pursuit of truth. A non-violent vegetarian who doesn’t consume even spicy food “rips apart” only intellectually! Just as we oppose Taliban for being violent and do not lend our ears to their viewpoint, we must similarly adopt same process for rest of the world. What matters is intent. If one comes with genuine intent of pursuit of knowledge, all you say holds true. When intents are questionable, we all must follow alternate paths to pursue truth that are more fruitful. Remember, whether we debate, convince, argue, assert, remain silent – whatever we do, we are not fighting the outer world. We are training our own self. External world is a reflection of our own reality. In the battlefield, I am the fighter, I am the enemy, I am the weapon. World is just a role-play.

        Finally, my personal recommendation would be to focus on your civil services exams and career at this stage. Make a mark there. That is need of hour. That way you help the society, world, country everyone. That way you would be able to set examples that are worth millions of words. That will make us all proud of another jewel from among us. Debates can wait till such great things are achieved. Please let us know how we can help you in creating this wonderful future for entire humanity.
        Best wishes

  28. About the celebrities what said by Praful is very correct. The problem is our people are much addicted to such nonsensical movies.
    All those think about the realities would try to bring our folks on the right way. It may take years, but our people will understand if we take appropriate way to educate.

    Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu:

  29. the problem is that majority of indians are copying west which will only lead to destruction.
    The goal of these west people is sense-enjoyment and all the miseries of this earth is due to this one misunderstanding that ” sense enjoyment is the goal of life”.

    The true goal of life is to realise the divinity within us, the strength within us.

    All these bollywood celebrities live a miserable life, most of them take drugs, we are foolishly attracted to them and admire them, the movies that are released nowadays is full of violence, lust e.tc. which have a disastrous effect on mind.

    rather than praising these celebrities just for their mortal bodies…we should follow the teachings of Scriptures and spiritual gianta like swami vivekananda and swami sivananda.

    • @Praful

      I disagree……I don’t think that much people are following these celebrities

      And by no stretch of imagination are we “followiing” the west…….maybe some are…..If u ask me most people don’t even know whats been followed in the west…….let alone copying them

      I didn’t know bollywood celebrities do drugs…….I don’t indulge too much to know their personal lives more than what a regular newspaper provides……and NO where I live in there is no page 3 (I have heard of this term from elsewhere)

      I don’t think the answer is “staying away from ones sensical pleasures”……I will explain…..I feel the answer is to encourage young people to be aware of our culture and scriptures(or something equivalent)…….and after reading our scriptures, the detachement from sensical pleasures will have to come on its own….Meaning no one can tell another person…..”To achieve moksha, you have to stop resorting to sensical pleasures, stop doing idol worship etc etc”…..As Lord krishna said, we should just give knowledge, offer maybe small help……but let the person “choose” for himself !!!

  30. agniveer, I am non veg but I eat it less frequently than I do vegetarian dishes. however, after reading this article I assure you, I am NEVER going to touch beef. and if I do encounter any beef eater out there and if they ask me why I do not eat beef I will explain to them the harmful effects to the body and environment of beef consumption.

  31. Great reply Agniveer!

    Why India gives so much importance to these Bollywood people. Majority of these people have no character and no integrity. They are not even that much educated and of course majority of them have no rational and logical thinking. They are just puppets. And almost all of new movies are just depiction of their corrupt low mind and vulgarity. Those are so disgusting that no sane mind would like to watch those.

  32. Excellent conversations and great response AgniVeer…. Your work is absolutely commendable and I respect the way you have been courageously replying to the Nuts of Media and Bollywood… Thank you

  33. Dear Agniveer,
    Best wishes of ALL Gau bhakts to you for being great warrior to PROTECT the dignity of our mother.These Stupid questions have been raised just to dilute such a serious matter and YOU HAVE ANSWERED THEM WITH SUCH A VIGOUR that I hope out MEDIA also gets point or two out of it.
    But the problem is that the minds are corrupted drinking Jersey milk and flesh.So MILK,GOBAR and GOMUTRA from our beloved Gau Ma have to be provided to ALL INDIANS and humanity as whole.Then only they will feel the compassion and love that Gau Ma showers on her Sons and daughter

  34. well sickulars opposition to beef ban emerges from their hatred against hindus bcoz same people at some point of time has raised their voices against killing of roosters or other animals by their activation in glamourous organisations like peta.secularism is in hindus blood bcoz we have sriramchandra ji’s blood in our vein.we don’t need to learn it from sickulars.

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