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Eid Mubarak!

Agniveer
By Agniveer
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

I was stuck in a signal when an auto stopped next to me. An old Muslim couple was carrying a tall healthy goat in the auto. There was something about the goat that struck me and could not remove my eyes from it for sometime. It had a long thin beard and eyes full of confident arrogance. From the angle I viewed, it was as if I am watching Zakir Naik right in front of me. (Zakir Naik is founder of IRF and considered role model for many recently caught extremists, as per some news reports.) This was the first time I felt such a level of compassion for Zakir Naik – the most influential mentor of terrorism today. Even he appeared like an innocent goat (despite his baseless arrogance) deserving caressing on the head and some green grass to be fed. My meeting with little-Zakir was short-lived and we parted ways as the light turned green.
And today, while I sit down penning my thoughts and Zakir Naik stands up explaining why apostates should be murdered as per Shariat, the duplicate of Zakir Naik – my goat friend of few minutes – must have already left for Heaven after being mercilessly butchered in name of Id Mubarak!
Yes, this is Eid Mubarak today – November 17, 2010 – but for whom? For millions of goats, camels and cows across the world, it would be their worst Muharram when they would no more be alive to even weep on their destiny.
Agniveer wishes a heartiest Eid-Mubarak to all its Muslim brothers and sisters. And it appeals to them to make it an Eid-Mubarak also for the innocent animals who are murdered for no fault of theirs.
We shall explore in this article why the concept of animal sacrifice on Bakr-Eid is completely illogical and against the tenets of Muhammad.
There is a story behind celebration of Bakr-Eid that most of you know.
There was a Prophet Abraham as per Islamic and Biblical mythology who was ordered by God/Allah in dream to sacrifice his son. He obeyed and decided to sacrifice Ismail – his dear son. Just before he was about to butcher his son, God stopped the sacrifice and replaced the son with a ram (sheep). God was pleased with loyalty of Abraham and hence to mark this ‘great moment’ Bakr-Eid is celebrated by sacrificing a goat, ram, cow or camel after the Namaz.
Now let us analyze the veracity as well as logical basis of this story:
1. First of all, even if we take the story at face value, a sheep or ram was sacrificed. But Bakr means a ‘cow’. Some say it means a ‘camel’.
Then why should the festival be called Bakr-Eid and not Sheep-Eid?
Why are cows, goats or camels sacrificed when they do not form part of the story?
2. And if a festival is called Cow-Eid when the story is about sacrifice of a sheep, why not instead call it Grains-Eid and simply distribute food-grains for needy ones? After all the resources spent on 1 kg of meat is able to produce more than 10 kg of food-grains. This shows that the person who started this festival was anyone but someone inspired from Allah. How can Allah be so wasteful and brutal?
3. Allah came in dream of Prophet Abraham to order him to kill his son. Does Allah come similarly in dreams of Muslims who butcher animals to celebrate Eid? If not, why they try to imitate Abraham like a monkey? And if they still want to imitate Abraham, why not butcher their own children and wait for Allah to stop their hands if He wishes so? Why this double standard?
The reason is clear – All Muslims know clearly that no Allah ever appears in dreams or stands up to stop people from doing certain actions in such fantastic manners. So basically they are trying to fool Allah to make Him believe how much they love Him without giving an inch of sacrifice.
4. Muslim scholars across the world have denounced this story as a fake one. They rightly state that Allah can never come in anyone’s dream to ask him to kill his children. When Allah has himself prohibited murder, how come He act as a criminal by asking anyone to do so. Ideally, even if Allah came in dream to ask Abraham to kill his son, he should have said clearly to Allah that he cannot disobey Allah’s original orders. This would have been the real passing of test of Allah.
Further, when Allah already knows everything, why does He need to take crazy tests? After all He also knows the answer that the examinees will give. Why such a drama then?
But the fake Quran available today creates a villain out of Allah. Allah Himself creates rule and then instigates His followers to break those rules. For example, He asked everyone to bow down to none other than Allah Himself. But then He ordered Satan to bow down to Adam. When Satan refused, He was punished by Allah. To read this tragedy in poetic form, please visit Shaitan Ka Dukhda.
Just think, if instead of killing the son, what should Abraham have done if Allah had asked him to rape his child? Should he have followed the order of Allah? Incidentally, such stories have opened a Pandora’s Box. Refer http://www.dnaindia.com/world/odd-news_father-marries-daughter-citing-divine-sanction_1134275
Hence it is proven that such fake stories do not exist in original Quran. Muslims should reject all such fake verses that denigrate Allah and Muhammad who is alleged to have compiled such illogical verses under inspiration of Allah.
5. We provide two links of articles by eminent Muslim scholars who clearly proclaim that this is a fake story that insults Allah and hence should be rejected. They say that no such dream ever came and no such dream inspired by Allah can ever come. Whatever Abraham may have done was through his own hallucinations.
http://www.submission.org/Ismail.html
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/abrahams_sacrifice_%28P1164%29.html
Summary conclusions of these articles are as follows:
– The story behind Bakr-Eid is a fake one
– Allah can never ask anyone to do any evil act like killing one’s own innocent children
– Prophets are vulnerable to Satan’s attacks. Thus there is no guarantee that whatever Prophet Abraham or Prophet Muhammad is supposed to have stated, as per records of his followers who were not prophets, is not inspired from Satan.
– Allah never asked Abraham to even sacrifice a sheep or goat. There is no such mention in Quran.
6. If we look into real Quran, it very clearly advocates vegetarianism and condemns those who kill innocent creatures. That is why a large number of progressive Muslims are turning vegetarian today. Please visit http://islamveg.com for one of the largest vegetarian groups of world.
It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His Guidance to you and proclaim the good news to all who do right. (Quran 22.37)
“There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.” (Quran 6:38)
http://islamveg.com/fatwas.asp gives a list of fatwas favoring vegetarianism.
This clearly shows that Allah does not ask for animal-killing. Wherever animal-sacrifice is mentioned, it simply means using animals for good purpose and caring for them.
And if that not be the case, it is better to reject false verses in name of Supreme than follow brutality blindly.
7. That is why during the period of Haj, no animal killing is allowed. Even killing of a lice in head is forbidden. No animal sacrifice takes place in Kaba. If indeed it were order of Allah, then Kaba should have been hottest destination for animal sacrifice.


Q: Ok, I understand that the story is fake and what we Muslims do on Bakr-Id is only a social ritual. But what is the harm in eating meat?

A: Several:
a. It is the most hazardous practice for environment and hygiene.
b. It is most inefficient form of food production and prime cause of hunger in world. Because the resources used to prepare meat of animals that gives 1 calorie of energy can grow more than 10 calories of vegetarian energy. In other words, if people turn vegetarian, more than ten times more people can feed their hunger. Also crops are renewable. One seed can grow many more plants. But animal, once killed, cannot come back and grow thousand other  animals. Taking this into consideration, vegetarian food can feed several hundred times more people than those fed by meat.
Since Muslim countries are among the poorest in the world, the ONLY relevant Zakat or charity for Muslims could be to turn vegetarian and feed their fellow brothers and sisters.
c. There are no health benefits associated with meat eating. On contrary, many diseases are nurtured and contracted solely through meat eating habits.
d. There is no evidence that meat eating makes you stronger. Even the wrestling world champion these days, Sushil Kumar, is a vegetarian.
e. If meat-eating is justified, why should not even dead human beings, insane people, old people and small babies who are not productive in society be also eaten. Meat of Zakir Naik would perhaps be more beneficial than that of any goat, cow, camel or sheep. Zakir Naik says that Muslims are docile and non-violent because they eat non-violent and docile animals. By this logic itself, Muslims will become scholars if they eat meat of scholars like Zakir Naik and his IRF gang.
f. Would you volunteer to be eaten yourself to feed others? If no, then why kill innocent animals who also feel the same pain, grief and love life the way you do. In fact, you may still be susceptible t0 stress and tensions, so you enjoy life less. So if animals can be killed, even you, your children, your parents, your friends, your neighbors and all insane and dead people should also be eaten away.
This is not a treatise on vegetarianism, so I request everyone to research this topic themselves. But the basic point is that killing of innocent animals in name of pleasing the Supreme Allah is a most foolish and insulting act towards Allah.

Q: But even plants have life. By that logic should we stop eating everything and die with hunger?

A:
1. No one, except the illiterate farmer in California whom Zakir Naik met (refer Zakir Naik on Halal Meat) ever proved that plants feel pain in same manner as animals.
2. Plants are in inert unconscious state and do not feel pain like patients in coma. There is no soul in plant that knows that ‘I’ am the mango tree the way you feel that ‘I’ am Zakir Naik and I am an ‘Indian Mujahideen’. So there is no harm in eating plants. Now you would argue that this means that even coma patients should be eaten up. This only shows cannibalistic attitude desperate for sensations on tongue. But fact is that a plant will never revive into consciousness, but a coma patient can. Further, from health reasons, eating meat is stupidity. Thus there is no reason why anything except plants be eaten by taking life.
3. Eating plants is a most environment friendly way of living and solves problem of hunger in world. So only plants should be eaten.
4. Even if you argue that plants may have soul that feels ‘I’ am mango-tree or carrot, even then it is better to eat plants and not animals. Because we know 100% that animals feel pain, have face and enjoy life the way we do. When they are butchered, they wriggle in pain in same manner that a Zakir Naik or Osama Bin Laden or Imam Bukhari or you would do. But for plants you are not 100% sure. In fact there is no evidence that they face the same pain as you do when butchered. So its better to eat plants even from a probabilistic standpoint.
After all if you know that eating plants is more healthy, safer, hygienic, environment friendly, poverty reducing and yet not brutal like animal killing, don’t you agree that only a fool will eat animals and make his or her own nature brutal.

Q: What about Hindus who kill during festivals like Kali Puja?

A: What do you expect us to say? They are also wrong and acting inhuman. Perhaps slightly less because they use ‘jhatka’ instead of ‘halal’ method but nonetheless a murder is a murder. Vedas nowhere sanction this in name of worship of God. Vedas, on contrary, loudly proclaim that compassion towards all animals is necessary to qualify as a human being. Refer No beef in Vedas. Had Hindus not succumbed to anti-Vedic practices, how could the brutal uncivilized invaders conquer them and still rule them despite a pseudo-independence!

Q: So you mean as a Muslim, I should not be killing any living-being?

A: Exactly!
Being a true Muslim, you need to do following:
– Accept only those verses of Quran and Hadiths that do not cast Allah or Muhammad as merciless, characterless, moody or whimsical.
– Interpret all verses of remaining Quran only in lines of reason, rationality, justice and compassion. If there is any confusion, reject it.
– Since Quran clearly says that meat does not go to Allah, you should NEVER kill animals for meat.
– You should act in rational manner, be concerned about environment, be concerned about poor fellow beings, be compassionate to innocent animals and hence never ever kill innocent harmless animals for taste.
– You should instead take good care of these animals and use them for your benefit. Chapter 2 of Quran is Surah Bakar or Chapter of Holy Cow. Hence Cow is holy for you and should always be nurtured. Take her milk, ghee, butter and all benefits she bestows upon human beings without torturing her or depriving her calf of mother’s milk.
The Hadith of Zâd al-ma‘âd by Ibn Qayyim says that:
The Prophet, peace be upon him, said:
“You should use cows’ milk, because it is good for health, and cows’ ghee is good for health, but beef is bad for health.”
Actually, the literal meaning of the words the Prophet used is much stronger than that. He said that milk is “healing,” ghee is “medicine,” and beef is “disease.”
In the Book of Medicine of the Mustadrak al-Hakîm [a classical hadith commentary by al-Hakîm al-Nîsaburî], the first hadith is: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings upon him, said: “Allah did not create any disease without creating its cure; and in cows’ milk is a cure for every disease.” The third hadith in this book says on the subject of healing: “Because the cow grazes from every kind of plant.”
– As a true Muslim you should wage a Jihad (Holy War) against all those forces who insult Allah or Muhammad by celebrating Id in wrong manner, eating meat by killing innocent animals, killing cow which is most holy, claiming that all non-Muslims will burn in eternal Hell and presenting a wrong Quran with wrong interpretations against fellow Muslims. To die in Allah’s cause in such a Jihad is indeed welcome and most glorifying.
To such a true Jihadi Muslim – who stands for peace, humanity, character and compassion – Agniveer wishes a very very happy Bakr-Eid (Festival of happiness by service of cow)
Also read http://agniveer.com/5290/eid-mubarak-2/
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Read Post Disclaimer

It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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    • @ Agniveer,
      I have witnessed a number of loosers to practice with a dummy target.
      I hope you have that much of grey matter in your seemingly empty head.
      Little children play with a plastic ” hit-me” ..and perhaps consider themselves as strong as Muhammad Ali..the powerful boxer..and the target as MP arya..
      You must also console yourself with my examples…
      I as a businessman, cannot ask Ratan Tata to have a personal meeting with me at a roadside cafe.
      Instead , I will have to grow up as a businessman to even stand beside Ratan Tata..
      You understand kid….learn to respect the scholars.. whenever you speak about the great scholar of India..say Dr. Zakir Naik sahab.
      Well, people dont call you to a roadside teastall..Dr. Zakir Naik was invited to deliver a lecture to the OXFORD UNION.
      Understand the level,

      • @Arshad,
        >>>Dr. Zakir Naik was invited to deliver a lecture to the OXFORD UNION.
        As british government has rejected visa by your logic can i conclude that naik is terrorist?
        >>>ou understand kid….learn to respect the scholars.. whenever you speak about the great scholar of India..say Dr. Zakir Naik sahab
        Except muslims drum beating, there is nothing greatness in naik. He is no better than a tape recorder which can reproduce everything recorded.
        But when compared to blood thirsty robber muhammad, naik is a bit better.

      • @arshad ali
        You understand kid….learn to respect the scholars.. whenever you speak about the great scholar of India..say Dr. Zakir Naik sahab
        I call him zakir naik harami, suar ki aulaad. What yu gonna do? HEHEHEHEHEHE

      • Mr. Arshad,
        When was Dr. Zakir Naik invited to Oxford Union? Who were the people and brains who invited him ? The same lobby which is projecting him as a celebrity.
        Actually many people are being invited to may academic institutions for fake/ frivolous achievements. There are many instances of politicians and other people with doubtful and questionable credentials who are being called at different platforms for different issues. Everyone knows that these are publicity gimmicksc
        Dr. Zakir Naik is being supported rather being implanted by some Islamic lobbyists and he is being given undue publicity.
        What is the profession of Dr. Zakir Naik ? What is his source of income ? There are several unanswered questions like this.

      • hope you post an video of slaughtering your mother the same way soon!! 😀
        For you drink milk of mother for less tme but of cows for longer era!! i am sure that you do same to her too!! please show us that video also!! 😀

      • o god!!
        why so much anger and display of your madarsa education ?
        ——Come and save if you have guts——–
        we say you! we are here on agniveer and satyagni .. proving that quran, muhammad and zakir naik are fake and ignorant AND FOOLING THE WORLD !! come on (you are free and safe here) to speak bring on any one here who may prove that wrong!!
        http://agniveer.com/5670/imran-alcohol/#comment-48633
        go back to same mulla who taught you this language and first get answer to these questions! 😛
        you have not answered any of the questions i asked! 😀

      • @krishna
        Just writing Hatred about Islam on internet you think you have done something courageous. If really you have some dare why not come on the Ground & preach your Veda publicly & bring the falseness of Quran (as you think) before the people. Zakir Miya is preaching publicly not just writing on websites etc. He is bringing Truth of Hinduism before the public on Ground Level. If your Agniveer really have mind blowing brain why is he not coming in public to guide them. Why is he frightening to face the public.?

      • lol!!
        juber you just forgot or dont yet know!
        zakir naik was invite 100’s of times by agniveer for a live debate but he said no!
        then abdullah tariq (the guru of zakir naik)
        turned up and see how he was sent on his feet after debate so much satisfied that he now says that would not debate anyone with vedic background!
        search in google!
        islam and arya samaj debate and see all teh videos!
        lol!

      • @Juber
        Juber man, stop worshipping the Kaaba, I thought you dont worship creation???? Can you tell all your muslim brothers to stop facing the kaaba and pray in any random direction??????????

      • @Agniveer
        What is the benefit of commenting here. My comments hardly visible as negative marks given by your friends. If only your religion is true you can write on the front page of website “only Hindu/s are allowed to Post comment here.”

      • juber but still i am waiting for your answer to those 5 questions! i raised…
        you can alternatively come in the agniveer forum and iscusson can be made there!
        and remember your posts are not deleted just hidden… and thats because you are using abusive language…. i dont think anyone would give you negative rating if we do a logical intellectual discussion.
        but posting up videos of cow slaughtering and cherishing it that you will continue doing so… what do you expect you to be given a thumbs up??

      • @Juber, brother, kindly have a look on the videos on the channel:
        http://www.youtube.com/truthwisdom2008
        also please pass the message to Zakir Nalayak Miyan that he is always been welcomed to debate with …….does he dare to come in front…..
        Dont fool yourself by commenting that Zakir needs at least 10 thousand people or needs somebody who has been invited by some big university to debate with….
        TRUTH DOES NOT NEEDS TEN THOUSAND WITNESSES (ISLAM DOES), IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE SPOKEN FROM THE MOUTH OF ANY PARTICULAR PERSON IT WILL REMAIN SAME WHOEVER SPEAKS IT!!!!!

  2. Alhamdulillah,
    Prem Kumar who stays near Arya Samajis office in Mullick Bazar..accepted Islam, named himself Salman, his father is also reverted to Islam, his cousin became Zaid..
    Arya Hindus..with no knowledge..with no logical approach is only acceptable to ..Illiterates..like people doing Kali puja ..chhat puja..living in Rural Areas..using the forces of RSS..BJP…and worshipper of Sai Baba..living god..
    and producing the proof from the Veda..Rigved –Ekam Sat Vipra Bahuda Vadanti..
    One god with different name..
    So, even you have a chance to became another God..all the best..
    Well ! Agniveer is so much against killing of Cow..because..there are millions of gods in the body of a cow..
    Guess ?? which god is the Abdomen part of the cow, which hindu god is the anus of the cow,,?? which cow is the intestine of the cow??
    Well.. as for intelligent human..we just eat cow as it shoud be ate ..leaving the hindu pagan ..Cow shit ideas of theology..
    Enjoy beef…its really healthy..

    • @Arshad Ali
      The members on this site do not believe in such stupidity of multiple gods inside a cow, in fact, Vedic followers believe that there is one Supreme God residing everywhere and inside everything.
      Y dont you eat human flesh, it is far more healthier than a cow, I would like give a suggestion, start eating Mullahs and IRF members, this way you will inherit their stupidity and will be successful in creating laughter shows.

      • @ Vik…you said as below ( Quoted)
        “..Vedic followers believe that there is one Supreme God residing everywhere and inside everything..”
        Well ! buddy..you should stick to your word..
        ” Everywhere and everything ” will definately mean…everywhere…i.e. even the toilet..inside the shit-pan..Urinal..
        I want to know…how does your God feel..being in all those places and what is his experience?? What is the Wisdom behind it??
        And Everything…would include ” My stool..your stool..pig’s stool..” How does your God..comfortably stay over there?? What is the Wisdom in it?
        Remove your Hatred against Innocent Muslims..and think sensibly…!!!
        “..Y dont you eat human flesh, it is far more healthier than a cow,..”
        Well ! does the veda teach you that Human flesh is healthier than Cow’s meat..??
        From where did you learn this??
        And you exhibit your frustrations in such an il-literate manner.Grow up through knowledge…just claims wont help..
        As for IRF..you need to grow up to their status…Mp arya was told the truth..he didnt qualify..thus he is taking out his frustrations in his own house…
        You follow a fool..who is about to commit suicide..then you dont realise that even you end up killing yourself..
        Instead , follow the light of life…if you are in Kolkata..meet me..discuss face to face..

      • @ Arshad, please show us from the vedas, as to where is it mentioned that Vedic God is there to be seen in those places where you frequent and you seem to have mentioned with a lot of passion. God, by his potency is omnipresent. Ofcourse a cross section of Muslims,based on the sunnah, take exception to the fact that Allah is eveywhere and claim that physically Allah is only on the throne above the heavens. But at the same time a cross section of Muslims also believe that the opposite is true, that Allah is everywhere by quoting the verse pertaining to Allah being closer than the jugular vein. Ofcourse I do not know if Allah is found in your stools or pig’s stools. So, please resolve the internal schism in Islam about where is Allah ( I have evidences for both the intra-Islamic arguments) and then you can woory about where the vedic Gos is found to be available.

      • @ Appolo,
        Silly by,
        When you cannot defend your comments..or the hindus comments..you just try drag the discussion to another topic..
        A hindu said that god is everywhere…thus..the logic that god will definately be in the urine as well..(according to your comments)
        Did I say that Allah is everywhere??..
        Silly boy..first learn..

      • Namaste Arshad Ali
        Who cares what you say? Quran says Allah is in the heavens and ON EARTH!
        Quran [6:3]- And He is Allah in the heavens and on earth. He knoweth what ye hide, and what ye reveal, and He knoweth the [recompense] which ye earn [by your deeds].
        ———–” Everywhere and everything ” will definately mean…everywhere…i.e. even the toilet..inside the shit-pan..Urinal..———–
        Yes, whats your point?
        ————-I want to know…how does your God feel..being in all those places and what is his experience?? What is the Wisdom behind it??————-
        It is God of fools called Allah who has human like traits such as smell and taste and thus is shit scared of shit 🙂 Vedic God has no nose, no mouth, no physical body, and thus no effect of any smell or taste. Ever heard of radio waves getting smelly, wet, dry because of transmitting through thousands of miles through various smells and water vapors? I know you are clueless because Madarsa curriculum does not have anything beyond Arabic babble of how much length your beardmust have to be a Momin or after how many months, a wife can breast feed her Momin husband 🙂 Science of radio waves is too much for you. But anyway, come out of Madarsa some day, explore the scientific world out there! My point is that if mere radio waves are unaffected by shit and water, how can someone that is not at all physical can be affected by these?
        ————-And Everything…would include ” My stool..your stool..pig’s stool..” How does your God..comfortably stay over there?? What is the Wisdom in it?————–
        Explained above! But how your Allah (who lives ON EARTH as well) who has nose as well as mouth can remain unaffected by your/pig’s stool? Cant imagine how He manages 🙁
        ————–Remove your Hatred against Innocent Muslims..and think sensibly…!!!————
        Tell me, if Islam does not appeal to me and I die as Non Muslim, will I go to heaven or hell? The answer will show you who needs to think sensibly and remove hatred
        ———–Well ! does the veda teach you that Human flesh is healthier than Cow’s meat..??———-
        No its your Islamic scientist Zakir Naik who says that Muslims are peaceful because they eat peaceful animals 🙂 He says whatever we eat, we have its effect on us. So you eat peaceful cow, you become peaceful and you eat IRF people, you become laughter champs as told by Brother Vik 😉 Its simple Islamic logic, not Vedic
        ————–From where did you learn this??———–
        From Zakir Naik
        ———–You follow a fool..who is about to commit suicide..then you dont realise that even you end up killing yourself..————
        Is this some verse of Ghaib? Couldn’t understand it 🙁
        ————-Instead , follow the light of life…if you are in Kolkata..meet me..discuss face to face..————
        I am an apostate. Was a Muslim but now turned Vedic. Can I come to you? Can you assure me you will not kill me as terrorist Zakir Naik suggests for any apostate?

      • To Apolloreach and Vajra,
        excellent replies but its sad this person is doing taqiya. Remember one thing, people like Arshad and Zakir Naik will never flow along with simple logic.

      • @ arshad ali and all
        both stupids are fighting and cursing each others GOD… Idiots either his or yours GOD is after all
        one who created you both duffers.. and must be feeling sorry to do so.. as u both are cursing him taking different names

    • Arshad, religion or not, Islam or not, Hinduism or not, eating beef increases the chances of prostate cancer by 79%. I don’t know which inteligent person told you that eating beef is healthy.

      • @ Vajra,
        For this reason only, the hindus can never will over a debate in public..thus putting themselves to shame…” You loose your temper because of your ignorance and eventually..face the defeat and embarrasement”
        You and other hindus can only get personal..either against me or Dr. Zakir Naik…
        If you have a good pair of eyes..then check the Post of VIK..the taught me that ” Vedic religion teaches GOD is Everywhere and Everything”
        I dont believe that..” God is Everywhere and in Everything”..thus I posed a logical question ..so VIK ran away from the discussion..
        And now it’s your turn to run..
        Or go teach your own brother in faith VIK..that god is not everywhere or in everything..
        As for your God being like ” Radio waves–unseen”..you presented your God as –without nose (or power to smell)..whithout mouth ( or power to speak)..You land up describing as a Powerless or Disabled power. Not omnipotent.
        Please try to find a different ideas to describe your god..
        Words of Wisdom -” Try to learn manners…because you represent a community over here..you scripture must have something to offer in terms of Manners..then why dont you imply it in your life”
        N.B: By the post of Vajra and others..it seems that Vedic God is personally in tussle with Dr. Zakir Naik. Or there must some chapters in the Ved about Dr. Zakir Naik , in particular.
        Please clarify my doubts???

      • @ Vajra..
        Hindus — loosing millions to the Muslims and christians….people are leaving hinduism everyday..thus, RSS and BJP have resorted different means to stop this mass conversion..
        And one such method is to make some born hindus say that ” I was a muslim and now became hindu “…an apostate from Islam..in India..People will definately laugh at this news..
        Thus it is your mere excuse –“I am an apostate. Was a Muslim but now turned Vedic. Can I come to you? Can you assure me you will not kill me as terrorist Zakir Naik suggests for any apostate?”
        As for news of Conversion to Islam–refer to the The Telegraph -4th Jan.
        66000 women converted to Islam in UK in one year.
        And we know how many accepting Islam in Kolkata–although there are lots of pressure from every corner. One can very well see the difference. You need not exagerate.

      • Mr.Arshad, our dharma has seen the rise & fall of many civilizations. Even a few thousand years ago, we had Charvaka who rejected God and considered both religion and God as an aberration. Within the theology of our Dharma, we also have the Samkhya philosophy which detaches the caussation aspect of God from God an looks at this world from a different angle. While casteism is being addressed in a proactive way, these exits from our Dharma are not a cause for concern. Once educated Muslims in India start realizing the hoax called Islam, securing back thing will look very different. In a private moment, despite all your swagger on the posts, sooner or later, you will contemplate about the fidelity of your faith. Many others are privately doing this and one of my friends (who holds a degree in fiqh) has lost hope in Islam. You don;t have to trust me on this.
        By the way please google, “iranians against islam petition.” Your own Shiite backyard is slowly crumbling. And for the first time in aeons, young Iranians are back celeberating a couple of Zorastrian festivals. Wait & watch…I am also furnishing what that Iranian petition states…Ofcourse, you will post something with swagger but reality is dawning on many a Muslim. Snoop Dog and convicts in a California penetentiary are the ones that will find soalce in Islam, for obvious reasons.
        —————
        To: The Iranian People
        Proclamation to Abandon Islam
        We, the people of Iran and the world, regardless of our origins and beliefs, have come to the realization that it is not possible for a person to be a Muslim and live by the standards of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. We hold Islam in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, by invading other lands, enslaving people, destroying their heritage and their way of life. We find Islam guilty of pursuing a multi-front attack, even to this day, on much of what is sacred to all civilized people. We consider Islam responsible for 1400 years of atrocities committed against the Iranian people and much of the Islamic world. We believe that Islam is the root of our problem therefore it must be abandoned.
        Islam is not hijacked by the terrorists. The terrorists are the true Muslims. Muhammad bragged “I have been made victorious with terror” [Bukhari: 4.52.220]. He raided massacred, looted and raped innocent people. Islam promotes hate, violence, misogyny, discrimination, intolerance, child abuse and murder.
        For the love of humanity, for the peace of the world and for the future of our children, we denounce Islam. We urge Muslims to leave this faith of hate and join the rest of mankind in amity. We are one people; let not prophets of hate like Hitler, Marx and Muhammad divide us with their big lies. We invite you to sign this petition and promote it. Peace cannot be attained unless hate is eliminated. Islam, like all ideologies of hate is the biggest impediment to peace.

      • @Terrorist Arshad Ali
        Rats breed faster than Muslims, so compete with them 🙂 We never accept “fastest growing” crap as foundation of truth.
        Read again my previous comment regarding omnipresence of God though I am sure you will again land on the state of blankness due to your Madarsa upbringing 🙁

      • @Arshad
        Arshad, if greater population or increasing population towards a certain cult mean truthfulness then you are insulting ur own prophet Mohammad because in his days, very less people escorted him while he received revelations. Now ever since you claim that Zakir Naik has caused people to embrace islam, then this is sad because you are saying that Zakir Naik is greater than Mohammad, since Mohammad only made some people embrace islam, but Naik made thousands of people embrace islam through his version of fanaticism. So do you agree that Naik >> Mohammad????????????

      • Vik and Rushmore brothers
        ”Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world”, a common claim of muslims.lets see the facts
        1. You will hardly find a muslim family with one or two kids, they are expert in producing children and its haram in their religion to follow birth control. now, if a family has 6-7 muslim children, the muslim population will automatically grow fast. moreover, the welfare benefits given by the westeren countries encourage muslims to give birth to one after another muslims.
        2. in any Islamic nations like Saudi or Pakistan or Malaysia, muslims are not allowed to take another religion, even practicing yoga is forbidden. While this is the situation how is it possible for musLim numbers to go down?
        Allow freedom of faith to Muslims, especially Muslim womans, you can see the next day millions will leave islam.
        3. When a muslims educate himself and try to leave this barbaric religion, the mollahs of his community either threatens to behead him or force him to leave his own land. two great examples are taslima nasrin and salman rushdi.

      • @Arshad
        why dont you go teach mullahs like Zakir Bhai MBBS to love all humanity and not praise terrorists. Did you know Zakir said prophet Mohammad as per Quran and Hadiths, is the best example of humanity. Now, do you want us to become pedophiles? Do you want us to have 17 wives? Do you want us to communicate with secret angels or fly using donkeys? Do you want us to rub our slivas on tongues of babies? Do you want us to keep numerous sex slaves and order our troops to rape and conquer women???
        The concept of God in Vedas is omnipresence. Suppose you throw a cloth in a tub of water, now you see that the water is all around the cloth, and also inside the cloth since the cloth is soaked. The same is the concept of God in the universe and Vedas.
        Ishwar of Vedas is not like the Allah of Quran who resides somewhere in the sky having TWO hands. Ishwar is like energy that is present everywhere and inside everything. The reason its difficult for someone like you to understand because the concept of God in your mind is that of Islam. No, the God of Vedas is not some king who sits on a golden throne and sends revelations from time to time along with rapists, pedophiles, murderers, looters, in the form of prophets and messengers.

      • Vik bro,
        awsome reply. Arshad is unlucky because his pakistani muslim brothers followed muhammad during the liberation war of Bangladesh. http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/
        And Muslims of Kolkata wanted Pakistan to invade west bengal. so much loyality to ummah.

      • @Totagoto
        Namaste brother,
        yes, it is sad that these same muslim brothers were once our hindu brothers since we share a common ancestry. Barbaric invaders came and inspired their minds with filth and hatred, and now they are proud of this stupid ideology and attempting to defend it.

    • @arya, ———-@Juber, brother, kindly have a look on the videos on the channel:
      http://www.youtube.com/truthwisdom2008
      also please pass the message to Zakir Nalayak Miyan that he is always been welcomed to debate with …….does he dare to come in front…..
      Dont fool yourself by commenting that Zakir needs at least 10 thousand people or needs somebody who has been invited by some big university to debate with….—-
      i am ready to debate on veg non veg topic,, no need of zakir naik,,, are u ready?

  3. Arshad bhai namaskar. The person who is not respectful to his own religion may leave it. But before leaving and blaming it he must be search the real thing. Then he must understood that only hinduism is perfect and the religion of peace. Islam is not a peace religion. I agree that we the hindus do not follow our religion perfectly, we have many misconception over it. Missioneries (griffith, maxmuller) always tried to misguide us. But our religion guide us more perfectly than islam though we don’t practise it perfectly. This is an important difference between islam and hinduism. I become astronise how a person can kill innocent people though he offer namaz regularly. That proves islam is not a perfect religion. People say killing the innocent people is not ordered by islam than why the muslim inveders killed so many innocent people because islam cannot guide his followers like hinduism. Hinduism is only one religion existing on earth.

    • @ Arup dada..Peace be on whom accepts the Guidance of ALLAH !!
      first of all…let me tell you..your english is really bad..didnt anyone tell you that..
      Secondly, your knowledge is so poor that it will take hours to make you understand the basics of Sanatan Vedic religion and Islam.
      Follow , the words of Sri Jagatguru Shankaracharya..on video..that Previously Sanata Dharm is now Islam.
      So, you should all call yourself Muslims.
      Sarojini Naidu said- ” Islam is the first religion, which not only preach Republican Democracy but also implements it”
      Follow those who has knowledge.
      Well ! my house is also in Bangladesh-Satkhira and Narayanganj-Dhaka..you should tell me where you stay..I will talk to you personally..and will make you understand the truth..
      Dekha koro..tomar e labh hobey…nijer porokaal bhalo korte parbe..andhokar theke beriye esho..

      • @ Arshad: I am curious which Shankaracharya made this claim that Santan Dharma of yesterday is today’s Islam? Are you someone that believes that every human is born as a Muslim (beliver)? Please help me understand the logic.
        Let us use some practical common sense to deal with the statement that every child is born as a believer/Muslim. No child would even know the word God (in repsective Mother tongues) till the child’s Parent(s) make an effort to explain the child about God. Even if we take the evidence based theory that a child in the Mother’s womb can hear from month 5 of pregnency, still, the vibrations heard based on recitations (kalma or carols or vedic chants) are external stimuli. There is no evidence that a child knows God intuitively, be it while in the womb or when the child is growing. The bottomline, no child knows God unless a Parent says so. So how can someone make this claim that a child is born as a beliver (Muslim) when the child is TAUGHT to belive in a God, only by his/her Parents????

      • “”@ Arshad: I am curious which Shankaracharya made this claim that Santan Dharma of yesterday is today’s Islam? “”
        Friend.. I hope you are educated enough to read english..
        I wrote–Sri Jagatguru Shankracharya.
        The recorded video was shown to the People in the Kolkata Book Fair 2011

      • As for all born as Muslims…
        ” Fitratil Lahil Lati fataran Naas ”
        Ask Mp arya to explain you the meaning or come to my place …I will teach you from the books..

      • @ Arshad: No good. “Jagadguru” is NOT a proper name for a Shankaracharya but a title. So you do not understand the naming conventions of a Shankaracharya but wax eloquence about someone making a claim. Which city / mutt does this Shankaracharya belong to?
        And quoting Surah Al Araaf will take you nowhere. My question based on common sense goes beyond the Quranic claim that every baby is born upon Fitra. When the child knows God only through a Parent how can the child worship Allah and be a Muslim intuitively. Trying to quote Bilal Philips on this alos is of no use,as, I am using common sense against Surah AlAraaf.
        And you claim that a hindu claimed that God is eveywhere & you aped him. That is the reason why I clearly stated that a cross section of Muslims to believe that Allah is everywhere. I can point you to scholars and Imams claiming so on You Tube. But that’s a moot point. To me Vedas are the final authority. Please substantiate your claim from vedas. Ofcourse, once agian I do not know if Allah lives in the places and objects you keep passionately referring to.

      • @apolloreach
        this guy is referrring to Quran Romans verse 30
        “fitrata Allahi allatee fatara alnnasa”
        here’s the translation: Quran 30:30
        So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face towards the religion of pure Islâmic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allâh Alone) Allâh’s Fitrah (i.e. Allâh’s Islâmic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq-illâh (i.e. the Religion of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not. [Tafsir At-Tabarî, Vol 21, Page 41]
        as you can see, his answer is on the same lines as “its is so because quran says so” 🙁

      • //Dekha koro..tomar e labh hobey…nijer porokaal bhalo korte parbe..andhokar theke beriye esho..//
        For which after life you are talking about?
        THE X RATED PARADISE OF ISLAM
        In this article I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn’t obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.
        To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the Hadiths.
        VIRGINS (HOURIS)
        Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his “high” opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with ‘Houris’ (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.
        The relevant verses from the Koran are:
        Koran 78:31 As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.
        Koran 37:40-48 …They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
        Koran 44:51-55 …Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
        Koran 52:17-20 …They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them…
        Koran 55:56-57 In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?”
        Koran 55:57-58 Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?”
        Koran 56:7-40 …We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. “
        Koran 55:70-77 “In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair… Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..
        In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.
        Quote from Hadiths
        Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34 Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them.” YOUNG BOYS
        Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get “rewarded” by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.
        The relevant verses from the Koran are:
        Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.
        Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
        Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls. As mentioned in my previous article, famous poets in Arabia glorified homosexuality. As an example I am including a poem in ‘Perfumed Garden’ by Abu Nuwas: O the joy of sodomy! So now be sodomites, you Arabs. Turn not away from it– therein is wondrous pleasure. Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple and ride as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate. A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt not like your whore who has to go veiled. Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best to mount them, for women are the mounts of the devils
        Need I say anything more after this colorful rendition by Abu Nuwas ?
        WATER
        One of the major problems in the desert of Arabia was shortage of pure water. Mohammed knew very well that to the Arabians, fresh water was an item of luxury. So promising them abundant pure water, river, fountains and springs in paradise would defintely lure them to murder, loot and plunder people of other religions in this life.
        The relevant verses from the Koran are:
        Koran 13:35 This is the paradise which the righteous have been promised: it is watered by running streams..
        Koran 3:198 As for those that fear their Lord, theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams in which they will abide for ever, and a goodly welcome from God…
        Koran 3:136 …These shall be rewarded with forgiveness from their Lord and with gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell forever. Blessed is the reward of those who do good works..
        Koran 15:45 The righteous (will be) amid gardens and fountains (of clear flowing water)
        Koran 22:23 As for those who have faith and who do good work, God will admit them to gardens watered by running streams..
        Koran 47:15 Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: In it are rivers of water incorruptible;
        Koran 55:50-51 In them each will be two springs flowing free; Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
        Koran 55:66-67 In them will be Two Springs pouring forth water in continuous abundance:Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
        Koran 44:51-55 As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amidst gardens and fountains…
        Koran 56:7-40 …They shall recline on couches raised on high in the shade of thornless Lote trees and talhs; amidst gushing water…
        WINE
        Mohammed had to find more selling points besides virgins, young boys and plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without rivers of wine for his followers? Wine was an extremely precious commodity in the dry deserts of Arabia where it was rare to find vineyards. Mohammed had a problem here- he had to include wine in his ‘Paradise-Package’ but how could he include it in the list when Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to do this was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine by nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating.The relevant verses from the Koran are:
        Koran 47:15 Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it are…rivers of wine…
        Koran 37:40-48 But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,…they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.
        Koran 56:7-40 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine:
        Koran 83:23-26 The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk… FRUITS
        So far Mohammed has presented a very appetizing picture of Paradise, but then it struck him that sex is no fun on an empty stomach. Besides that one needs lots of nutrition in order to have the energy to perform with so many Houris and young boys. The prophet was an expert on this subject having honoured every one of his numerous wives and mistresses with a nightly visitation on one single night. Besides the only fruits he had ever gotten to taste in this life was some dates and dry pomegranates. So heaven had to be furbished with an inexhaustible supply of every variety of fruits.The relevant verses from the Koran are:
        Koran 13:35 This is the paradise which the righteous have been promised.. eternal are its fruits, and eternal are its shades..
        Koran 37:40-48 But the true servants of God shall be well provided for, festing on fruit and honoured in the gardens of delight…
        Koran 43:68-73 …Such will be the garden of which ye are made heirs for your deeds. Ye shall have therein abundance of fruit, from which ye shall have satisfaction.
        Koran 47:15 Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: …In it are rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; And rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; And grace from their Lord..
        Koran 55:47-49 Containing all kinds of trees and delights.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
        Koran 55:52-53 In them there will be fruits of every kind, two and two. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
        Koran 55:54-55 …The fruit of the gardens will be near and easy to reach. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
        Koran 55:68-69 In them will be Fruits, And dates and pomegranates: Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
        Koran 44:51-55 …Secure against all ills, they shall call for every kind of fruit..
        Koran 56:7-40 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with …fruits of their own choices and flesh of fowls that they relish..
        Koran 76:13-21 …Reclining there upon soft couches, they shall feel neither the scorching heat nor the biting cold. Trees will spread their shade around them, and fruits will hang in clusters over them…
        But the best was yet to come. The highlight of life in Islamic Pardise is the fact that one doesn’t have to go to the toilet. All merciful Allah had miraculously provides a much better system for getting rid of body waste. You simple sweat it out (probably after all that sex or belch after consuming all that fruit and wine)
        Quote from the Hadiths:
        Sahih Muslim Book 39, Number 6798, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: I heard Allah’s Apostle (pbuh) as saying that the inmates of Paradise would eat and drink but would neither spit, nor pass water, nor void excrement, nor suffer catarrh. It was said: Then, what would happen with food? Thereupon he said: They would belch and sweat (and it would be over with their food), and their sweat would be that of musk and they would glorify and praise Allah as easily as you breathe.” WEALTH
        Mohammed wanted to ensure that his followers would not be obsessed with ‘worldly things’ in this life. So he made sure that they have plenty of worldly things to pursue in heaven.The relevant verses from the Koran are:
        Koran 22:23 As for those who have faith and who do good work, God will admit them to gardens watered by running streams. They shall be decked with pearls and bracelets of gold, and arrayed in garments of silk.
        Koran 43:68-73 Enter ye the Garden, Ye and your wives, in beauty and rejoicing. To them will be passed round, dishes and goblets of gold: there will be there all that soul could desire, all that the eyes could delight in: and ye shall abide there in..
        Koran 55:70-77 ..They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?
        Koran 44:51-55 As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amidst gardens and fountains, arrayed in rich silks and fine brocade…
        Koran 55:54-55 They will recline on carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade…
        Koran 56:7-40 They shall recline on jewelled couches..
        Koran 76:13-21 ..They shall be arrayed in garments of fine green silk and rich brocade,and adorned with bracelets of silver..
        Mohammed’s promise of an Islamic Paradise that glittered with the fulfillment of all sorts of wordly desires and sense enjoyment was nothing but a sinister ploy to recruit those who had no hope or expectation of ever getting these things in their present lives. Knowing that they are assured of such a Paradise simply because they follow Islam, Muslims can go around committing murder, rape plunder and loot. It is the picture of this paradise that has motivated Muslims over the centuries to cut down people of other religions, to desecrate their places of worship and mistreat them in the name of Allah. Even after death, the spritually deprived Prophet of Islam could not see beyond wine, women and food, leave alone exploring spiritual heights of the soul.

      • @ Tota..
        Simple lesson for you…standard 1
        If you go to Maths teacher to learn Geography..then you will never reach Japan..Hahaha !!
        I hope this is simple for you to understand…
        A maths teacher can teach you Addition-Subtraction…but cannot show you the exact direction of the Land you want to go..for that you need to learn from a Geography teacher..
        All the Arya Samajis taken there education from a particular website ” Faithfreedom” and not only that..they ( without inhibition) copied even the mistakes..the silly ideas..like the one who cheats from others in the examination hall..and is caught..even the copying the mistakes of the others’ paper.
        GOLDEN OFFER: I extend my humble ( as the Muslims are Humble) offer to all the Araya Samajis to have a proper education through us..So might have a session of 2 hours with us and attain satisfactory(academic level) replies to ALL your questions..of any sort and of any extent..
        We do have knowledge and patient..like the doctors have..One Doctor Zakir Naik..

      • “If you go to Maths teacher to learn Geography..then you will never reach Japan.” Very well said, bro. But then, why do go to a doctor (if at all he is one) to learn theology. Do explain this.

      • @arshli bhai, never waste ur precious time on these fools. they copy blindly from other sources. i can give good reply to agniveer for this article but i know he’ll delete all my comments. you can see there is no bakri eid, only fools like agniveer can say that “change from bakri eid to goat eid”, he is so ignorant that he does not know that it is eid-ul-azha NOT BAKRI eid????? also he is saying that to get 1 calorie from animals meat we have to sacrifice plants equal to 4/6 calories. he is so ignorant that he does not know that cow eat grass of 6 calories and give us meat of 1 calorie but HOW COULD I EAT GRASS TO GET MY 6 CALORIES?? AGNIVEER can u eat grass?

      • Arshad bhai i agree that my english language is poor but i know you understood the matter what i want to say to you. You said “peace be on whom accept the guidence of allah”. Now my question is it not enough for anyone to perform namaz to accept guidence of allah ? But we notice those people are more furious than others. That clearly shows that islam cannot check his followers. You must know about the “bangla bhai” who offered namaz and maintained islamic rules strictly but he and his followers committed crimes and blasted bombs and killed innocent people. In the history we see that muslims inveded sindh when caliph controlled the islamic state. Please clear me was they not accepted the guidence of allah ? You don’t see a hindu who follw though corrupted form of hinduism (iskon, and others) never committed serious crime. A person who follow it (even corrupted form). It guides him because it is a real dharma. I believe in allah/vagavan but not muhammad, i believe it is enough to get help from allah/vagavan.

      • @arshad ali
        Why dont you go back to narayan ganj in dhaka? Want me to send you there? In body bag? :))

      • I have gotten you man. I am also from Bangladesh. You are that typical Bangladeshi muslim whom I always find. Look man, don’t quote Sarojini Naidu. They are the sensible people. What she stated, if true , is only because of you people follow a evil cult called Islam in large numbers. It aims only to maintain religious harmony. But, if you read the history of Islam you will find it a great joke and will be ashamed of being a muslim if only you have that sense. It is very clear from the original Islamic scriptures that Islam is a cult in the disguise of religion fabricated by a mad man named Mohammad. For sure he had immense lack of knowledge and poor vision. He tried to copy the Judeo-christian scriptures and Arab legends to construct a book called Quran. If you read Quran you could see what blunder he made in composing this book. It will be very difficult for a sensible person to read this book in a known language because of too much absurdity and hodge-podge. You will be surprised to see how Allah was used shamelessly to justify Mohammad’s immoral activities including marrying the wife of his adopted son. You will wonder how almighty so called Allah interferes blatantly in Mohammad’s family affair. In fact Mohammad used Allah to capture power and satisfy his carnal desire by abusing ladies of different ages. This is the truth. You have no way to deny it. So, what truth you are boasting of? Just get rid of this evil cult as soon as possible. Don’t think people are so fool not to understand this. A mad man generally considers everybody as mad as him.

    • @arya, i am ready to debate here, please call your vegans…. y are u waiting for zakir naik??? you always copy from islam hatred sites…your whole aryasamaj is anti islam and anti zakir…you have nothing positive…. you dont know that zakir is not saying anything new… i have a book on ved aur islam of vedant prakash and it is older than zakir naiks, all arguments like hazrat muhammad in veda, is there, for christians you can see any video on sheikh ahmed deedat, zakir naik quote word to word,,, one example is here
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LLefQDMoFdg

      • @indan_az
        Welcome brother,
        Brother they Kaffirs can not understand simple facts. I tried a lot but could get success. I think non-Veg has made them dumb. They have no respect for Great Zakir Naik greatest scientist took birth after prophet Mohamad. They are condemning Zakir bhai for his greatest scientific research from Quran for the welfare of human kind. Kufrs you all will burn in hell forever, if you will continue your hatred remarks against Allah messenger the Great Zakir Naik. Allah has send him to guide us. Trust in him do not argue.

      • A question to you:
        When your so -called Zakir Bhai debated with Arya Samaj he was defeated,then why are you calling your defeat again and again?

      • @Vinay Arya
        You dumbo need to eat some non-veg like beef etc to get some intelligence. Firstly, Dr. Zakir have never debated with Arya Samaji. Because Arya Samaj is worse cult on this earth not entitled to have any debate with any scholar like Zakir Bhai. And look Quranic research of Zakir Bhai to know him batter. He has come to guide us. But you kaffir can not understand this fact.

      • @Juber
        Never advise anybody to kill themselves.It is the heinest sin.Search in the Google you will see hundreds of pages saying “Zakir Naik defeated by Arya Samaj”.And one thing for your information,Arya Samaj is not any cult,even you can become an Arya Samaji if you follow the true Vedic path.

      • Actually,Arya Samaj has defeated Zakir Naik very badly,because he is not accepting evne the challenge.huhuhu.Look at his courage.

      • @Vinay Arya
        _______even you can become an Arya Samaji if you follow the true Vedic path_____________
        Momins are already on true path. WE believe in prophet Mohamad, Allah, Quamat Day, angles, prophet Aadam, non-Veg is good for health, eternal hell/heaven, this our first & last birth on this earth, Allah sits on above the sky, Great Miracles of prophet Mohamad.
        If you will follow all these then you will be on true path.

      • @Juber
        The path of Islam is the worst and I don’t want to follow it.Because it advises to rape,eat meat etc.It includes superstitions like hell or heaven.It says there will be a river of sharab in heaven with ladies which is too bad.And there is no river of sharab.
        So please never advise anybody to come on the path of Islam.

      • @Vinay Arya
        _______It says there will be a river of sharab in heaven with ladies which is too bad_____________
        Why do you Arya Samaji hate with woman? Do you not want to get married? In heaven if Allah provides hoors to have a sex in full as one wants. Whats the problem? Moolshankar (Dayanand) could not get married this is why he wrote wrong about sex. Sex is very noble act & compulsory for all.

      • Dear Juber
        We do not hate woman.I do not want to get married.Sex is only for reproduction not an enjoyment.Sex is not a very noble act.Its the act of animals.Even during reproduction we should not have will for sex and should leak only a drop of semen at that time.
        The semen is the vital fluid for us.Because increase in its quantity gives rise to shining face.The man and woman become too much powerful.Sex results in seminal leakage which in turn results into the formation of pimples on our face.So sex makes us ugly.It is due to sexual thoughts today man a and woman are having pimples on their faces even from the age of 10.
        The one who does not leaks semen has high immunity power.Swami Dayanand did not leak semen that’s why he was having too much power.The men tried to poison him but everything failed.He stopped a carriage with only one hand.He broke a sword with one hanbd with the power of “Brahmacharya”.
        Whatever Swami Dayanand has said about sex is the most scientific and should be followed by me as well as you.If you do not believe me then try to keep Brahmacahry for only 30 days and watch the results.You wll be having amazing shining face with high power both mental and physical.
        Why you always try to prove your Muhammad to be the best and Dayanand to be fool.Why can’t you understand the truth?You should try to search the truth.You should not be pakshpati.You should be free to judge on your own.Do not just say that our Muhammad was great.
        Actually,Muhammad died due to the increased sex.So sex is quite bad.
        Morever after death you are not going to go to such a place where there is a river of sharab and many women.Because such a place never existed on this earth.And how can a man do sex after his death because his body is left here only and he is gone elsewhere.
        The Vedas say that you will get the next birth according to your deeds.This is the most acceptable principle.

      • Sex by itself is neither noble nor ignoble, it is simply an act. The mode and nature of sexual encounter can be codified as being noble or not (e.g. You can categorize incest, rape, etc. into).
        Is it compulsory? Depends on your age and inclination (e.g. Will you recommend it for under-age individuals?). Vinay’s opinions are personal, and he is entitled to his opinions.
        And talking of non-veg food being good for health, try pork for a change, it will definitely add to the pink of your health.
        Allah providing houris in heaven is fine by me, but then why do you need to castigate the porn or the flesh industry, it is doing the same thing in this mortal plan, providing for man’s carnal desires.

      • There are some works whose effects are not good.There are some works whose effect is good eg. exercise,eating good food etc.The works whose effect is good is called as a good work.And the work which has a bad effect is known as bad work.Do you agree that there are two types of works now?

      • Vinay, I am disappointed with you. Forget not, we too are animals after all, albeit socially and intellectually more developed than the rest. Sex is a bad thing! Now, you talk nonsense. If it was such a bad thing, then you would not be existing in the first place.
        Now, coming to your good versus evil issue, there is no such thing as permanent good or evil. As times and circumstances change, perceptions too undergo metamorphosis. And, not everything is in black and white, there are myriad shades of grey as well. Exercise is no doubt good for health, but let me remind you, sex is also considered a form of exercise and hence promoting salubrity. Anything in excess will promote disease and debility. If you eat food (good) in excess, it is definitely going to give rise to a nauseating feeling, diarrhea, vomiting, obesity, feeling of tiredness, etc. Likewise, excessive exercise is also not conducive to good health. Moderation is the key here. Mind you, if you drink wine in moderation, it too is going to add to the natural glow of your skin.
        I would like to quote Ved Vyasa here, “Paropakaraya Punyaya, Papaya Para Peedanam” meaning helping others is good, hurting others is bad.

      • Dear SDC
        I am talking with certain conditions.Try see my context.Don’t I have such a common sense.I have written “Exercise is good” it is understood that it must be done in proper time for proper duration etc.I have written good wfood is good.But it is understood that it should be eaten in some limited quantity.You do not have this much common snese.How would you read any book.Good books will say take good food.Would you say it is incorrect.As you will argue it should not in excess.
        AND THE SHLOK WHICH YOU HAVE QUOTED IS FROM VERY ILLITERATED PURANS.YES,IT IS GOOD.BUT IT WAS WRITTEN BY VED VYAS.HAVE A LIFE.PURANS WERE NOT WRITTEN BY VED VYAS.

      • i DO NOT SAY THAT KILLING IS ALWAYS BAD.WHEN IT COMES TO DEFENDING ONES COUNTRY ONE HAVE TO KILL SOMEBODY.BUT I HAVE NOT SAID THAT ALWAYS KILL.I HAVE SAID DO NOT DO SUCH WORKS WHOSE RESULTS ARE BAD.SUPPOSE YOU HAVE LEAKED SEMEN FROM 5 NIGHTS.THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PIMPLES AND YOUR ENERGY IS LESS.SO WOULD YOU CONTINUE.NO.YOU SHOULD NOT CONTINUE.BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE CHILD SO SHOULD YOU AVOID COITUS.NO.BECAUSE YOUR FAMILY LIFE WILL BE OF NO USE IF YOU MARRY AND DO NOT HAVE ANY CHILD.
        i SAY”i SAW SDC IN CAGE”
        i SAY “i SAW SDC DECIDING THEIR RULES.
        IN THE FIRST CASE SDC IS YOU AND IN THE SECOND CASE IT IS SOME COMPANY.BUT THE SAME WORD HAS BEEN USED FOR TWO PURPOSES.SIMILARLY IF I SAY EXERCISE IS GOOD THEN IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS DONE IN PROPER WAY TIME DURATION ETC.

  4. @ IA: Yup. I concur with you. Thanks for correcting me on the quranic verse. Last time a friend of Arshad pointed me to Al Araaf to tell me that everyone is a descendant of Adam across the world and hence children of Allah. Ofcourse, Arshad is only gonna do an encore by repeatedly quoting similar Quranic verses. Is it not plain common sense? In a family unless one of the Parents have the child worship a named God, he or she will not even know God exists. But Arshad and his friends keep claiming that left to a child’s own elements he/she will submit to Allah. Like you said it is the chiched thingy…
    Boss is always right.
    If you have any doubts, refer the above statement.
    🙂

    • @ Appolo..
      seriously,,you guys are so poor in knowledge ( Excuse me –but coudnt help saying)..
      ” that everyone is a descendant of Adam across the world……… and hence children of Allah.”
      Descendent of Adam is refered to as ” Bani Adama” (Al Araaf)..meaning children of Adam..
      And not ” children of Allah ”
      Please attain some litteral sence…which money cannot buy….

  5. @ Arshad: Did you not read what I stated in plain English? One of your brethern was who claimed so. I care two hoots about Adam or Adam’s boss, in a discussion on another site. So, perhaps I will have him refer what you have mentioned about Adam and Allah.
    Now, will you please try to explain away how everyone is a born Muslim? Like I already posted, despite the Quranic claim that everyone is born upon fitra, I am showing to using plain common sense that unless a child’s Parent(s) inform him/her about God (any named God) and faith, the child left alone, will not know anything about Allah or Islam or have any rudeimentary belief in God.

  6. Muslims built babri mosque by destroying Ram mandir( its not a myth,its proved), they built a mosque very close to the jail, where Sri Krishna was born in Mathura. They always provoke others to fight while they dont allow building temples,churches in major countries like saudi arabia. they want freedom of speech in non muslim countries ,no matter if its through liar like jakir naik but they dont want freedom of speech in muslim countries, no matter if its through an ex muslim taslim nasrin!

    • @ ALL
      I can see the Hindus on FIRE after being shown the light of the day.
      Well ! you all convince me more and more that Ignorance has become your birth right. Sad..pretty sad to see the Irrational Prejudice that you all exhibit.
      Look at me..I am showing Ar Riqaq ( softening of heart ) because that is education.. I didnt bring issues which will agitate you..which I very well can..
      Where as I simply put up logical questions which you all failed.
      And I am loosing hope that Arya Samajis can ever discuss a matter in a Human-like manner..distant dream..learn from Dr. Zakir Naik..the great..
      Educated people of the Oxford Union did invite him..against all odds..be open minded..
      N.B. Making Hate-Post on your website and making claima dont help at all..show courage ..and if required ask me to preach you all at your own centres..not my place..
      See,,you all claim & made India a hindu rashtra..the muslims are under subjugation & fear..not the hindus..so why fear to come in public about the conversions..like Dr. Zakir Naik does..
      It just shows the lie that you want to propagate..Fake Journalism..

      • Hindus are timid. Light of the day is sun and it is your assumption that hindus are blind not to see the light of day. If you want to show the candle light of islam and want to discuss on candle light no sane person who sees sun light will come and compare candle light with sun light.
        When your god allah has sealed our hearts then why to blame us for not converting to peacful islam. Go and blame your god itslef.
        Why dont you go and show Ar Riqaq ( softening of heart ) to your brothers in pakistan where killing happens on a daily basis.

      • @Terrorist Arshad Ali
        ————-And I am loosing hope that Arya Samajis can ever discuss a matter in a Human-like manner..distant dream————–
        with Jihadis like you, of course any discussion in human like manner is futile because none of you exhibits qualities of humans. Just look at what happens when Madarsa teaching prevails and people like you meet each other to celebrate
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jjzebZG3F4

  7. I can see the Hindus on FIRE after being shown the light of the day.,
    Really? where’s your argument ??
    self-declaration of victory cannot be an argument for sure 🙂
    BTW , fire is a small word, what you have encountered is Agni which illumines all that illumines this world
    Well ! you all convince me more and more that Ignorance has become your birth right. Sad..pretty sad to see the Irrational Prejudice that you all exhibit.
    Sorry dear, there’s no scope of being prejudiced against the muslims or Islam.
    Nobody debates if hinduism is a religion of peace or even if Judaism/Christianity is a religion of peace these days.The only hot debate in the world is whether Islam is a religion of peace at all given the violence it has caused in the past and the present.
    who will envy a religion that takes you backwards wherever you live? Islam favors the illiterate and the misogynists and this is the major reason for muslims lagging behind all others.
    my friend, if there is one religion in an unenviable position its Islam.One can have pity but not prejudice against islam 🙁
    Look at me..I am showing Ar Riqaq ( softening of heart ) because that is education.. I didnt bring issues which will agitate you..which I very well can..
    Where as I simply put up logical questions which you all failed.,
    as i can see , all your questions have been thoroughly answered and since you could not counter argue, you declared yourself the winner- typical of losers 🙂
    And I am loosing hope that Arya Samajis can ever discuss a matter in a Human-like manner..distant dream..learn from Dr. Zakir Naik..the great..,
    Arya samajis don’t believe in illogical babble like 2+2=Islam .The day you learn a thing from Dr Naik, you become less learned in the art of argumentation and more learned in the art of deceit – Taqiyya
    Educated people of the Oxford Union did invite him..against all odds..be open minded..,
    He delivered his oft repeated “lecture” through video conferencing.He is still not welcome in the UK .
    But i do agree that educated people are prone to be open minded unlike the illiterate prophet of Islam. So whom have you insulted by glorifying education? not the educated for sure 😉
    N.B. Making Hate-Post on your website and making claima dont help at all..show courage ..and if required ask me to preach you all at your own centres..not my place..
    There’s no hate on this site, except for the hatred against hateful ideologies.Islam is one such ideology that divides humanity, calls non-muslims the worst of creatures, incites its followers to hate and hurt the non-muslims.It’s high time that this ideology must be fully exposed to the right minded muslim and all non-muslims.
    See,,you all claim & made India a hindu rashtra..the muslims are under subjugation & fear..not the hindus..so why fear to come in public about the conversions..like Dr. Zakir Naik does..
    Nobody is claiming a hindu rashtra here. Maybe you are browsing some other site and posting your response here. wake up!
    This is a site for humanity and truth seeking for the mature.and an online site is a much better place to analyze the truth and discard falsity unlike the circus shows of Dr Naik where semi-literate crowds start clapping on the memory retention capabilities of a the actor on stage.In India we get every now and then whiiz kids who exhibit phenomenal retention power, its better to watch and encourage them rather than a stuttering old man showing memory power at a place where the power of reason is required
    It just shows the lie that you want to propagate..Fake Journalism.. ,
    again this statement indicates that you are posting comments on this site while reading the article on another 🙁
    this aint a journalism site. if you have a worthwhile argument, you are welcome. otherwise, you are not the first one who has nothing worthwhile to say

  8. The Kaba temple which was
    misappropriated and captured by
    Muslims was originally an
    International Vedic Shrine. The
    ancient Vedic scripture
    Harihareswar Mahatmya mentions
    that Lord Vishnu’s footprints are
    consecrated in Mecca. An
    important clue to this fact is that
    Muslims call this holy precint
    Haram which is a deviation of the
    Sanskrit term Hariyam
    “Ekam Padam Gayayantu
    MAKKAYAANTU Dwitiyakam
    Tritiyam Sthapitam
    Divyam Muktyai Shuklasya
    Sannidhau”
    The allusion is to the Vamana
    incarnation of Lord Vishnu whose
    blessed feet were consecrated at
    three holy sites, namely Gaya,
    Mecca and Shukla Teertha.
    Worshipping such carved, holy
    foot impressions is a holy Vedic
    custom which convert Muslims
    are inadvertently perpetuating.
    But in doing this they delude
    themselves and mislead others
    that these foot-impressions which
    are on reverential display in
    several mosques and tombs
    around the world are in fact
    Muhammad’s own. There are
    several snags in this argument.
    Firstly worshipping a foot –
    impression amounts to idolatry
    and should therefore be taboo for
    a true Muslim. Secondly
    Muhhamad disclaimed having
    performed any miracles.
    Therefore there can be no foot-
    impression of his on stone.
    Thirdly foot-impressions must
    always be in pairs like shoes. Yet
    in most of these shrines, it is
    usually a single footprint which
    suggests that Muhammad walked
    on only one foot. Another
    question that crops up is whether
    the foot-impression is of the same
    size and foot in all the shrines.
    The fact appears to be that when
    the Vedic Kaba shrine in Mecca
    was invaded by Muhammad, the
    pairs of foot impressions of Vedic
    deities there were plundered and
    later traded to the gullible and
    devout as Muhammad’s own
    footprints for some favour,
    reward or personal gain by
    unscrupulous muslims. That is
    why they are single and not in
    pairs.
    The Black Stone which is the Shiv
    Emblem (also known as Sange
    Aswad which is a corrupted form
    of the Sanskrit word Sanghey
    Ashweta–meaning non-white
    stone) still survives in the Kaba as
    the central object of Islamic
    veneration. All other Vedic Idols
    could be found buried in the
    precincts or trampled underfoot in
    labyrinthine subterranean
    corridors if archaeological
    excavations are undertaken. The
    Black Stone has been badly
    mutilated, its carved base has
    disappeared and the stone itself is
    broken at seven places. It’s parts
    are now held together by a silver
    band studded with silver nails. It
    lies half buried in the South
    Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall.
    The term Kaba itself is a
    corruption of the Sanskrit word
    Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which
    means Sanctum.
    In addition, in the inscriptions
    from Hajja and its neighborhood
    was found a votive vessel
    dedicated by members of two
    tribes called Rama and Somia.
    Rama and Soma are Vedic deities,
    Rama is of the Solar dynasty and
    Soma is of the Lunar Dynasty. The
    moon god was called by various
    names in pre-Islamic times , one
    of them was Allah. Allah had 3
    children, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and
    Manat. Al-Lat and Al-Uzza were
    both feminine deities. Alla is
    another name for the Hindu
    goddess Durga. It is obvious that
    the goddess Al-Lat was Alla
    (Durga) and Al-Uzza was Oorja
    (energy or life force also known
    as Shakti). Manat was none other
    than Somnath which is another
    name for Lord Shiva. One
    significant point to note that Soma
    in Sanskrit means Moon and Nath
    means Lord. Thus the Kaba itself
    was dedicated to the Moon God
    Somnath alias Shiv and the word
    Somnath was corrupted to Manat.
    The famous Black Stone is none
    other than the ShivLing of
    Makkeshwar alias Mecca. Lord
    Shiva is always shown with a
    crescent Moon on his head and
    every Shiva temple is supposed to
    have a sacred water spring
    representing the Ganges. The
    Crescent Moon pinnacle of the
    Kaba and the Zamzam spring
    (actually Zamza from Ganga) are
    irrefutable testaments to the
    Vedic origins of the Kaba.
    Muslims from all over the world
    pay homage to this shrine. This
    shrine is actually the pedestal of
    Brahma. Notice that the word,
    Ibrahim is actually a corruption of
    the word, Brahma. The octogonal
    grill which is a Vedic design,
    protects the holy footprints which
    represent the start of the creation
    nearly 2000 million years ago.
    Before it was captured by the
    Muslims it was an international
    shrine of the Vedic trinity.
    In fact the names of the holiest of
    Muslim cities Mecca and Medina
    come from the Sanskrit words
    Makha-Medini which means the
    land of Fire-Worship. Even the
    most ancient names of these 2
    cities were Mahcorava- which
    came from Mahadeva (Lord
    Shiva) and Yathrabn – which
    came from Yatra-Sthan (place of
    pilgrimage).
    Islam came into being about 1372
    years ago. It is well known that
    over 7500 years ago, at the time
    of the Mahabharat War, Kurus
    ruled the world. The scions of
    that family administered the
    different regions. Prophet
    Muhammed himself and his family
    were adherents of Vedic culture.
    The Encyclopedia Islamia admits
    as much when it says:
    “Muhammed’s grandfather and
    uncles were hereditary priests of
    the Kaba temple which housed
    360 idols!”
    According to Arab traditions,
    Muhammad is a title. We do not
    know what name his parents had
    given him. We do however know
    that the central object of worship
    which survives at the Kaba today
    is a Shivling. That was allowed to
    remain there because that was
    the faceless family deity of
    Muhammad’s family. One of the
    original names of Lord Shiv is
    Mahadev (The Great God)
    therefore it is entirely possible
    Muhammad came from Mahadev.
    This appears fairly certain because
    the Arabs still have a Mahadevi
    sect. Moreover the title Mehdi of
    a Muslim chief is also a
    malpronounciation of the term
    Mahadeva. According to Sanskrit
    etymology the term Muhammad
    implies ‘a person of great
    inspiration’-‘Mahan Madah yasya
    assau Muhammadah’ In a hostile
    sense it also implies ‘a person of a
    proud and haughty temperament’.
    The Qurayshi tribe into which
    Mohammed was born was
    particularly devoted to Allah and
    and the three children of the
    Moon God. Therefore when
    Muhammad decided to create his
    own Divine religion, he took
    innumerable aspects of the daily
    Vedic culture that surrounded him
    and corrupted them to suit his
    needs. It was with the advent of
    the Prophet and Islam that the
    death-knell of the glorious Arab
    culture was sounded. With Islam
    came the flood of destruction,
    murder, plunder and crime that
    destroyed the great Vedic
    heritage of Arabs. The Prophet
    merely took some existing
    artefacts and terms and corrupted
    them so profoundly that no one
    would be able to discover their
    actual origins.

  9. @ ALL,
    So, here someone is giving you another reason to Accept Islam. Kabah is your holy place. Face toward Kabah during your prayers..
    And since your vedas are considered to be corrupted..then leave the extinct format and accept the latest uncorrupted scripture, i.e. Al Quran.
    All the best..

    • @arshad ali,
      Have you gone through vedas and separated the corrupted verses from verses which you consider not corrupted? How do you know that vedas are corrupted without knowing the original form of vedas?
      No matter how loud you rant from the roof top that islam is latest religion, It cannot be accepted till it answers a simple question
      Question – What is the use of putting a person in eternal hell for the simple fact that a person does not believe that muhammad is the prophet of god? What will god gain? What will the person who is kept in hell gain?
      I have a feeling that Islam in present form causes damage to persons reasoning abilities. Still waiting to chat with a muslim who can reason.
      thanks
      peace be upon god who created all violent religions

    • @Arshad Ali
      I am sorry but I cannot accept Quran since we have to bow towards an idol called kaaba for prayers. I am sorry but I am against idol worship. It would be a good idea to break the kaaba into pieces, what do you say?
      better luck next time!!!

  10. Well ! Shamelessly, Agniveer web manager is deleting my posts…that shows there cowardice…
    Where are the Arya Samajis..show up your courage..when I offered to teach you Islam at your Centres..(only if you behave like humans)

  11. Wow arshad i dont know what makes you so dumb but it really works well what i had posted about kaaba clearly shows that it was a temple destroyed by that pedophile, child-rapist, mass-murderer and goat-******. so my friend its time to return your roots which is Hinduism.

    • Well ! Jawaharlal Nehru wrote in ” Discovery on India” page 74/75 that ” Hindu” is a term not about any religion but ..about people of a region..
      So, hinduism would definately mean–” Regionalism”…
      And Indian civilisation is not the root..so where to return..
      Words of Wisdom – as people uses the latest technology in their life..it is preferable that everybody uses the latest religion..” Vedas are corrupted and lost” completely..dont mind..I know you all get hurt by this..but it is a fact..which you cannot ignore or defend …
      Suggestion- Instead of yelling inside your own houses..talking about political matters..I would invite you all to the open..see the light of the day..and discuss on the basis of your scripture..see if you can really defend the claim that Vedas are not corrupted.

      • @Arshad Ali: you talk ask if you know what you are talking..that’s funny.
        Now you claim that Veda is corrupted.. i say that they are not and here is the proof
        http://agniveer.com/2697/why-vedas-cannot-be-changed/
        Now you tell me that how do you know that Qur’an is not corrupted. and please talk logically in the response if you have to.

      • By the way, the most latest technology in religion should be sikhism and definitely not islam. So, what are your plans?

      • @SDC:
        Good point! Of course our Momins who practise the religion of peace will say – Sikhism is a false religion. Guru Nanak was a false prophet. All Sikhs are going to hell for not believing “La Ilaha Il Allah Mohammed Rasool Allah”. Then, our Khalistani Sikhs will disregard this, seek support from Paki land and fight for Khalistan. Even if Khalistan is brought about, the Pakis will then seek to kill or convert the Sikhs. No surprises there.
        The surprise for me is why Indian commies/Christians/Sikhs/Buddhists/atheists do not call Islam’s bluff? Islam is out to kill or convert ALL of us – it is an equalizing religion in this respect. It doesnt differentiate between a commie or a Hindu or Sikh or Buddhist. Islam seeks to kill or convert all of em. 😉

      • KB, just an observation. I find that the christians, sikhs and buddhists would not mince words to attack hindus, whereas very interestingly enough, they would spare the muslims (Just to elucidate further you have to assess the reaction of the christian community to the recent attacks on the christian community in Egypt. When it were the Kandhamal riots, which was triggered off by the killing of Lakshmanananda Saraswati, the West was very vocal of it and even put India on the watchlist of countries for religious intolerance). Also, take the case of the Bamiyan buddhas, this bala will not muse over such incidents, but will harp on the caste issue trying ardently to convert the hindu folk). It somehow seems that we need to shed our image of being “soft targets” and therefore I do not refrain from using abusive language as a counter when the opposition party resorts to the use of it. Some may find it vulgar and abhorrent, but I see no way out. You should not project a sissy image of yours, which others may take advantage of. You may agree to disagree.

      • @arshad:
        see the light of the day
        Prove that Islam alone can reveal the “light of the day”. You havent responded to my post here.
        My advice to you: stop following the 7th century war manual. There is a huge beautiful world out there. The Quran is a profoundly mediocre book with absolutely nothing that someone can gain out of.

      • @ All,
        I can see the effect of my presence over here…Agniveer has changed the title of the “topic”..hope to see him changing his faith to Islam.
        Well ! Paece be to those who accepts the guidance of ALLAH !
        Sikhism is no “religion” of any origin..It is rather a a cult following..of the very same concept of Monotheism..
        It was rather politically motivated.
        I feel , that you guys lack very much the knowledge of religion and it’s criterions.
        Please get back to your basic studies..rather than indulging into false hood.
        I have repeatedly offerred myself as your teacher..free of charge..at your very own centres..
        grab the oppurtunity..and be lucky..

      • @arshad:
        Thanks for the offer of being the teacher. Unfortunately, your ambition exceeds your qualifications. Teachers need to have certain qualities – open mindedness, ability to employ logic in arguments, humility to change one’s view when presented with a better view, ability to be convincing without resorting to threats of violence and eternal hellfire, amongst others. You fail on these counts and hence you get an F(ail) grade.

      • Arshad: You seem to live in the land of ZN and Yousuf Estees’ land of Prophets where kids really believe that some stones ran away with the robes of one of your prophets. If you claim that Sikhism is a cult, what is Islam? Islam is a glorified cult to forward the cause of Arab imperialism. And Islam made human Arabs to become canine like and get mad at other faiths.
        Pre-Islamic Arabs did not invade India or Turkey but Islamic Arabs did. Pre-Islamic Turks did not invade Kabul or India but Islamic Turks did. Pre-Islamic Persians did not enter India but Islamic Persians did. Pre-Islamic Arabs did not invade Spain but Islamic Arabs did. Do we see a trend? And these were not mere invasions but a systematic genocide to destroy not only population and property but completely erase the religions and cultures of many of the countries that were non-Islamic.
        Turks were a combo of pagans and Xtians before Islam but they never slayed non Pagans or non-Xtians.. Arabs were pagans,Jews and Xtians before Islam but they never slayed non-Pagans or non-Xtians. Persians were Zorastrians before Islam but they never slayed non-Zorastrians. Afghans were Buddhists / Hindus before Islam but they never slayed non-Hindus or non-Buddhists. Again, do we see a trend? It is ISLAM,ISLAM,ISLAM….But for the slavery of Islam, Arabs,Turks and Persians and Mongols would have been normal humans during the medival period.

      • So many people of different faiths were killed by jihading imperialist Muslims
        “Tears of Jihad
        These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.
        Africa
        Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
        120 million Africans
        Christians
        The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:
        60 million Christians
        Hindus
        Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”
        80 million Hindus
        Buddhists
        Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]
        10 million Buddhists
        Jews
        Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.
        This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.” http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/

      • More on the savage brutal mass murder of Hindus in Asia by a Muslim no less:
        “Submitted by A.Ahmed (United States), Dec 15, 2005 at 14:50
        Mr Asim, You need to read your indian history to realize the genocide of hindus carried out by muslims invaders and kings. It was by far the worst in recorded history.
        Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
        “The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.”
        Koenraad Elst , the german historian writes in “Negation in India”
        The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. And so on.
        As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate)..
        But the Indian Pagans were far too numerous and never fully surrendered. What some call the Muslim period in Indian history, was in reality a continuous war of occupiers against resisters, in which the Muslim rulers were finally defeated in the 18th century. Against these rebellious Pagans the Muslim rulers preferred to avoid total confrontation, and to accept the compromise which the (in India dominant) Hanifite school of Islamic law made possible. Alone among the four Islamic law schools, the school of Hanifa gave Muslim rulers the right not to offer the Pagans the sole choice between death and conversion, but to allow them toleration as zimmis (protected ones) living under 20 humiliating conditions, and to collect the jizya (toleration tax) from them. Normally the zimmi status was only open to Jews and Christians (and even that concession was condemned by jurists of the Hanbalite school like lbn Taymiya), which explains why these communities have survived in Muslim countries while most other religions have not. On these conditions some of the higher Hindu castes could be found willing to collaborate, so that a more or less stable polity could be set up. Even then, the collaboration of the Rajputs with the Moghul rulers, or of the Kayasthas with the Nawab dynasty, one became a smooth arrangement when enlightened rulers like Akbar (whom orthodox Muslims consider an apostate) cancelled these humiliating conditions and the jizya tax.
        It is because of Hanifite law that many Muslim rulers in India considered themselves exempted from the duty to continue the genocide on the Hindus (self-exemption for which they were persistently reprimanded by their mullahs). Moreover, the Turkish and Afghan invaders also fought each other, so they often had to ally themselves with accursed unbelievers against fellow Muslims. After the conquests, Islamic occupation gradually lost its character of a total campaign to destroy the Pagans. Many Muslim rulers preferred to enjoy the revenue from stable and prosperous kingdoms, and were content to extract the jizya tax, and to limit their conversion effort to material incentives and support to the missionary campaigns of sufis and mullahs (in fact, for less zealous rulers, the jizya was an incentive to discourage conversions, as these would mean a loss of revenue). ” http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/30022

  12. @SDC:
    I agree with you. There are lousy standards in place while judging the atrocities committed by Islam. Maybe it is because the practitioners of the religion of peace cut the throat of those who oppose them. This is followed by the likes of Javed Akthars, Shabana Azmis and others in media who when interviewed by over-enthusiastic Barkha Dutts, Dilip Sardesais, etc. say these perpetrators are acting against Islam. Then they go back home and make plans to visit Mecca during Hajj feeding money to the Saudis who in turn funnel the same towards more throat cutters and the cycle continues. 🙁
    There is a great need for a pro-Hindu (well, anyone who is fair and balanced and looks at issues with equanimity will automatically be “pro-Hindu”) media outlet that exposes these intellectual dwarfs.

  13. @ all
    Hello to all of u.. Islam is actually as good religion as any other ie Hinduism, christianity etc.
    but it is sadely the most misinterperated religion , the reason is Quran being in arabic, a language not undersatandeble easily. The follower of islam with malafied intentionuous interprete it in their way, people like arya samaji or agni veer interpret in their own way.. (islam support violence, polygamy etc).
    From the second highest religion how many muslim you find violent, polygamous or such.
    are we not helping..?
    dont you have muslim friends with whome u have good tuning..?
    every criminal caught in india or any where else is muslim..?
    its all “teachings of islam” with which we are bought up and still friends of urs.. we innitiate friendship and respond friendship with same..
    Its true that Islam is against idol worship and bilieve in ONE GOD… which is the basic thing
    why Islam emerged..
    Now if you concentrate on the inner sole of the belive I dont find anything wrong if one says that their is only one (G)enerator (O)perator (D)estroyer… Christian, Jews, Sikhs all says so
    its basically a difference of appostoffy s (….’s)
    Islam says … everything is GOD’s…
    You say… everything is GOD..
    Islam belive in concept of Hell and Heaven and so did chirtianity.. Hinduism also says swarg nark
    A right translation of quraan.. condemms violence on innocent but suggest to suppress violence with the same language and so did GITA and so did GURU GRANTH SAHAB.
    Prophet Muhommad’s life and deeds which are condemmed by non muslims were actullay the requirement of that time and that place ( Arabia.. where life was very hard..and before emergment of Islamic.. chaos and perils .. crime and indecent acts were usual..)
    Yes, Prophet fought battels for Islam but he was not a Alexander type of figure who took his huge army and ruined his non beliver… He actually suffered a lot.. He took out concept of ONE GOD and the whole MECCA was against him .. with some of his family members who believed him he was foreced to leave MECCA to MEDINA .. Then he did formed his army their and in this hardship life he lost his 2 infant sons.. He didnt attacked innocents.. Whome he attacked or fought what do u think were very nice and innocent army formations.. they were harsh hearted people..same as KAURAVS in MAHABHARAT .. Did PANDAVS did anything wrong in forming their army and attacking their own relatives NO because they were at just side..
    prophet never killed any war prisnor, he rather freed them always..
    You condemmm Islam that it promise HOORS in Heaven.. Dont hinduism talks about apsaraas in swarg RAMBHA, MENKA etc..
    Read and Understand IT…. religious believes stops individuals from doing crimes.. Arab was a hub of indecent activities before islam to stop them and to convince them on a religious path which was full of agony and hardship and which says to shun all the indecent activities and ways to aquire injust pleasures in life it was necessary to talk about a world which is to be seen after death.. TILL DEATH if one’s deeds are pious and good then only he will see that other beautiful world .. otherwise if one continues with his unjust deeds a worst place HELL is waiting for him… Now whats wrong in convencing people for doing good deeds like this.. does not other religion says it..
    Its due to these believes only that an ordinary muslim says it a crime in eyes of GOD to have extra martial affair, to steal, to lie, to cheat, to take bribe, to not obeying thy parents etc.. and that one will be going to HELL if his life is full of bad deeds and will go to HEAVEN if he did good things in life.
    Whats wrong in that.. if crime is controlled by these believes then and even today..
    I know that some Islamic followers have moulded the meaning of quranic verses for their convinience but then .. judging Islamic believes by their deeds is unjust for Islam.. first please shun hatered in your heart against Islam, then it will be easy to understand it’s concepts, and you will suerly like them….

    • @A N Khan
      Namaste brother,
      first off, this is not a hinduism site, but Vedic Site. There is a huge difference between Hinduism and Vedic Dharma. To cut a long story short:
      Vedic Dharma equals Hinduism minus all anti Vedic practices done today.
      Anti Vedic practices include, beleiving in a stupid birth based caste system, gender descrimination, beleiving in adulterated/interpolated scriptures as the word of God, hence many bad practices that happen in the name of hinduism come from adulterated texts. Only Vedas are free of corruption and adulteration, otherwise every other hindu scripture is corrupted to certain extent be it Manu Smriti or Puranas or Ramayan or Mahabharat. So I hope you got the idea. Moreover, as per vedas, hindus are not suppose to make idols of God because Vedas prescribe happiness if we worship God/Ishwar the way He is, and as per Vedas, He is one and formless and omnirpesent.
      So I hope now you got a clear picture in your mind of what Vedic Dharma is, and NO, we do not believe in stupid stories of Rambha and Menka in heaven, because these stupid stories come from elsewhere, BUT NOT VEDAS. Moreover, Vedas do not even beleive in heaven or hell. Swarag and Narak are NOT heaven and hell, you may have seen some mullahs trying to twist verses of Vedas to make it look like that Vedas talk of heaven hell too but thats not the case. Muslims are just desperate to increase the number of their followers so they can be number one in the world. The biggest evidence is the their child breeding in quantities greater than 5 per family. So if they fail there, they will twist verses of hindu or other religion scriptures to prove the coming of Mohammad or prove heaven hell.
      And NO, Mohammad did not discover the concept of ONE GOD. The concept of ONE GOD was always there in Vedas, then Judaism some how copied theis concept and from there Christianity and finally from Christians, the muslims did. Do not forget, since I assume you to be a knowledgeable muslim, Mohammad had many companions or enemies who were christians and jews, so we do not need a rocket scientist to figure out how Mohammad or his arab followers borrowed ONE GOD HEAVEN HELL ADAM EVE concept from them. When I first learnt about islam in my age, it was not by reading Quran but by seeing and meeting muslims. So if I can learn islam thru them, what makes you think that Mohammad could not have learnt these concepts thru Jews and Christians???
      Read the article: WAS ISLAM A REVELATION OF ALLAH? also found on this site or simply google search “was islam a revealation of allah?” this article is based on logical sense.
      Yes, I agree there are nice muslims out there and I do have some friends, who always wish me that I will acheive heaven and all the happiness in the world despite I being not muslim. I consider those muslims the greatest example of muslims.
      But we also have fanatic muslims like Zakir Bhai MBBS who declares that we would all burn in hell if we dont adopt his fanatic way of living. Also he prescribes that we should be killed if become apostates, so this site and criticism is directed towards fanatics like him. I strongly condemn people like Naik and wish the worst for them since they wish hell for people like us no matter how nice we are.
      As far as Pandavs or Kauravs go, first off Ramayan or MahaBharat are just historical epics, they are NOT a guiding book for humans. The guiding book for us is Vedas. Now, these epics contained both Vedic and Anti Vedic practices, and we had to judge who was right and who was not. Also we saw the out come of people in these epics who went against Vedic principles. So we are suppose to learn from the mistakes commited by these people and consider the positive Vedic people in these epics as our ROLE MODELS.
      regards,

    • @AN Khan:
      You say Islam is the most misinterpreted religion. Then, please work on sanitizing it. Things that would need to be an integral part of the sanitization drive would include:
      (a)abolishing death penalty for apostates.
      (b)separation of mosque and state in Muslim-majority lands
      (c)providing a free market place of ideas in Muslim-majority lands – that is Christians/Jews/Hindus/Buddhists/atheists should have a free rein to propagate their faith, if they so choose (although I am personally against proselytization drives as long as separation of church/mosque/temple/synagogue and state is in place)
      (d)providing equal treatment under law for ALL citizens regardless of race/religion/gender in Muslim-majority lands. Any transgression will be dealt with under *secular* law and not Shariah.
      (e)no nationhood on the basis of religion.
      This will be a good start.
      If you do NOT agree with the list specify what you disagree with and why.

  14. @ vik
    salam and greetings to u brother
    Quraan in surah 2:256 clearly states
    There shall be no compulsion in religion:
    the right way is now distinct from the wrong way.
    Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD
    has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks.
    GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
    That clearly carve out the picture that belive in ONE GOD is more important…
    Quraan in surah 42:21 also states
    ” Relegious law are never authorised by GOD”
    If you do believe in a single GOD then there remains no difference..
    turn OM a little and it will become ALLAH in arabic..
    Actually Islam never teaches to hate any relegious belive..
    Quran say — ” if you will hate their relegion they will hate yours”
    Quraan desecdent in arabic language and prophet was an arab too, thus the
    word ALLAH came in origin which means GOD in arabic..
    I agree that the concept of ONE GOD ws not new. hz MOOSA and hz IESA both came
    with same concept and teaching.. Jews and christianity both followed
    concept of single GOD but in due course after their departure some additional
    things were added by their followers as.. Jews started considering Hazra as
    the son of GOD and .. Chritians started to believe in tritny..
    (1) GOD
    (2) Son of GOD.. christ
    (3) Holy spirit
    beyond that when Prophet was born in 570 Arab was a center of idol worship
    all again.. new concepts have been added to prevailing relegions
    according to the own convenience of allied class people of that time.. No such
    rules were there which can give justice to common person..
    Islam is governed by quraan and only quraan.. The things which the Islam’s
    so called preachers take to spread their supremacy are termed as Hadith
    which were written after 200 years of passing of prophet.. Prophet in his life time
    had strictly forbidden to write any other book.. but under influence of
    jews and christians leaders of that time these were written after 200 years..
    Many stories were included in Hadith which didnt have any base
    but were told in the name of prophet to establish one’s own supremacy..
    This is still going on..
    Neither then nor today Islam spread by sword.. Believes can never be turn out of
    fear.. It was prophet’s life and sayings which attracted people..
    Even before the emerging of Islam which came when prophet was of 40 years, the
    prophet was respected in many clans he was called as AL-Ameen that means one
    who can be trusted, people used to keep their ornaments and other
    valuable with him while going to any journey. He was believed as a person
    who can never lie.. thats why his followers trusted him on his call and came to Islam
    which means SUBMISSION
    with Greetng

    • Namaste AN Khan
      Firstly, I do apologize for replying you late, but here I am.
      Brother, I am so glad that unlike many muslims who follow hadees blindly, you admitted that some portions of the hadiths contain baseless stories.
      Once again brother, this site is only directed towards fanatic muslims who curse kafirs to eternal hell, and this site is basically our view to which you or anyone else can feel free to criticize.
      Brother, the concept of one God is from Vedas, and similarly how you claim that Judaism and Christianity both drifted from monothesim to son incarnates, the same thing happened with Hinduism when people started making images of different names and attributes of Ishwar. But Remember, Vedas are the only scriptures FREE FROM ANY CORRUPTION, so our mission is to revive the Vedic Dharma, so everyone at least in India, can read and live by the Vedas.
      However, there are people like Zakir Naik and Abdullah Tariq (Naik’s boss and Peace TV urdu runner) who are trying to conquer india and claim to make it a muslim country years. So these are the fanatics we are trying to counter, and so far, we have almost broke their backbone thanks to the rapid propagations of this site.
      thanks for your views,
      regards,

  15. @ kalbhairav
    Salaam and greetings to u brother
    Your points are valuable and requires a thaught..
    but what you are talking is about muslim countries and not Islam
    Who said a muslim is always a follower of Islam.. He may be Osama
    he may be Dawood who in the name of Islam can spread misguidence
    As far as question of muslim countries come, they have their
    own rule and constitution as we have ours..
    If apostate have death penalty somewhere then its not only for non muslim it is for
    muslim also..
    If mosque and state are not seperate there then church and state is not seperate
    in vatican too.. they have there own rulings
    While doing justice and in other aspects too, On basis of race/religion/nation
    equality is disregarded not only in muslim countries but every where, see
    example of Autralia where Indian citizens have suffered a lot.
    And you will agree that in India too Muslim many times face inequality, but as that have to do nothing with teachings of VEDAS similarly what Muslim countries doing
    have to do nothing with ISlam
    regards to u

    • @Khan:
      Who said a muslim is always a follower of Islam
      No True Scotsman fallacy. Where can I find a true Muslim who is a follower of Islam? Do you know such a being? If every time Muslims form the majority in a country, they want a separate country/Shariah why is it wrong for non-Muslims to denounce Islam? Hadnt it been for Islam, these Muslims wouldnt have an ideology they can twist to suit their purposes, right?
      As far as question of muslim countries come, they have their own rule and constitution as we have ours.
      All this culture and constitution and history, etc. amount to zilch when Muslims become the majority in a place. Whats your take on partition of India in 1947? Why do you think that happened? Assuming you are a Muslim from the Indian subcontinent, do you support that or do you want to work to reverse it?
      Yes there is racism in Australia, discrimination in India, etc. etc. The difference is that all of this is condemned loudly, clearly and spontaneously by those in the media, those in power and educated majority in the country. Unfortunately whenever there is a case of blasphemy or apostasy death in Muslim lands no Muslim is willing to stick their head out and declare that it is condemnable. Someone who does is killed in turn for condemning such barbaric practices! If every time someone points out mistakes in Islam, if that person is killed, what is the future for your religion and minorities in Muslim-majority lands?
      If apostate have death penalty somewhere then its not only for non muslim it is for
      muslim also..
      This is just stupid. Apostasy is condemnable. Period. Dont try to justify the unjustifiable. Sorry to be rude but you need to educate yourself about 21st century human civilization.
      Do you blindly believe that the Quran is the final/entire word of God and Islam is the only true religion out there? If so, I have nothing further to debate with you.

    • @An Khan and all, Indians in Australia are not causing any trouble they do not suffer a great deal by “Aussies” (Australian whites, although some are ignorant about our culture and religion), the big problem is the Arab people in Australia e g: Lebanese Muslims, who are the main cause of attacks on Hindu Indians in Australia. The situation is that due to a large Indian population in the Western Sydney area and the large Muslim Lebanese population in the same area, its the Lebanese Muslims who are trying to scare off the Indians so they can control more of Sydney. The Lebanese Muslims have Sydney’s largest Gangs, and the Gang mentality coupled with Islamic background is casing havoc in Sydney, and problems for the Peaceful Hindu Indians.

  16. @kalbhairav
    Salaam and greetings to u brother
    >> Where can I find a true Muslim who is a follower of Islam? <>these Muslims wouldnt have an ideology they can twist to suit their purposes <<>>no Muslim is willing to stick their head out and declare that it is condemnable. <<<>>> Matter of apostate <<<
    My friend, I whole heartedly condemm apostate, and every such evil practice
    followed in any countries.. no one can ever justify it..
    what I was saying that it is an ill practice that is folowed there, even muslims become
    captive of this rule, Quran every times said to be generous to be a forgiver.. and these
    mullas are not following Quran.. they made there own shit rules and are going thru them
    blindly.. Thus they have to do nothing with Islam..
    I again say ISLAM means submission to the God's will, to the truth..
    and will just say that It is also a way to reach salvation..
    The words of Quraan are true.. as they implies justification an equlibrium for all..
    with regards

    • @kalbhairav
      Salaam and greetings to u brother
      Where can I find a true Muslim who is a follower of Islam?
      Brother there is no need to find him.. What I am saying that no muslim
      has to do anything with Islam.. Islam is a religion for all..
      I you are not a idol worshiper (as you say its said in veda) and a good
      human being, helping others, not fond of adultry, away from bad habbits you can
      call yourself a true veda follower or a true Islam follower also
      because thats what Islam teaches … that’s it..
      Islam means ” full Submission to the Will of GOD Almighty”, and Submission is not a name
      of religion..
      these Muslims wouldnt have an ideology they can twist to suit their purposes
      The ideology which are twisted are not ideology.. as you said every time Muslim form
      majority they demand seperate country.. I personaly dont know any other such
      incident beside 1947, if you know please let me know..
      As far as 1947 in concern every muslim remember it like a black day,a nightmear .. you
      also know that partition was very painful to either community. Muslim and hindus both
      faced losses in it. I and no indian can support it.
      Again I will say hear that demand of Pakistan as a seperate land for muslims was a
      political step and has to do nothing with ISLAM .. No Quran verdict supports
      such step..
      A polititian can be a Hindu, A Muslim, A christian etc..
      saying that Surendar Koli (accused of Nithari Kaand) being a Hindu was a human flesh eater
      will be a foolish verdict of the person who say it.
      no Muslim is willing to stick their head out and declare that it is condemnable.
      Ill-happenings in muslim countries too are strinctly condemnable.. I condemm it
      and with me every muslim condemm it who knows that Islam means “peace” and In Quranic
      verses we find 3 types of freedom in ISLAM
      1.) Religious
      GOD does not enjoin you from befriending
      those who do not fight you because of religion,
      and do not evict you from your homes. You
      may befriend them and be equitable towards
      them. GOD loves the equitable. GOD enjoins
      you only from befriending those who fight you
      because of religion, evict you from your homes,
      and band together with others to banish you.
      You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend
      them are the transgressors.[60:8-9]
      2.) Political
      They respond to their Lord by observing the Contact Prayers (Salat).
      Their affairs are decided after due consultation among themselves,
      and from our provisions to them they give (to charity). [42:38]
      3.) Economic
      The Quran has numerous verses which provide for and respect property rights
      (2:205, 2:220, 4:2, 4:5-6, 4:10, 4:29, 16:71, 38:24, 59:8). The Quran encourages
      commerce (2:198, 2:275, 30:46). Only mutually acceptable transactions (4:29) are
      permitted. Excessive interest or usury from lenders (such as mafia) is prohibited.
      It is obvious from the Quran, that there is no nation on earth now which calls itself
      Islamic, that in fact is Islamic.
      What mullahs and so called preachers do are anti Quranic verses.
      They are not actually on the way of Islam, which they think they are..
      An obvious conclusion cannot escape us – USA as a society and as a nation practices God’s laws as laid out in the Quran, more so, than any other nation in the world.
      Matter of apostate
      My friend, I whole heartedly condemm apostate, and every such evil practice
      followed in any countries.. no one can ever justify it..
      what I was saying that it is an ill practice that is folowed there, even muslims become
      captive of this rule, Quran every times said to be generous to be a forgiver.. and these
      mullas are not following Quran.. they made there own shit rules and are going thru them
      blindly.. Thus they have to do nothing with Islam..
      I again say ISLAM means submission to the God’s will, to the truth..
      and will just say that It is also a way to reach salvation..
      The words of Quraan are true.. as they implies justification an equlibrium for all..
      with regards

      • “””(as you say its said in veda) and a good
        human being, helping others, not fond of adultry, away from bad habbits you can
        call yourself a true veda follower or a true Islam follower also
        because thats what Islam teaches … that’s it..
        Islam means ” full Submission to the Will of GOD Almighty”, and Submission is not a name
        of religion..”””
        this is what we want every muslim shall think.
        now doing all above thayt is good deeds, clean mind, helping others, being rational, not believing on unscientific stories as breaking moon in two pieces, jinns, ghosts etc. and beleiving there is just one god who is all perfect and does not need to send any avatars or prophets to communicate with us..!!
        and since… i am good
        human being, helping others, not fond of adultry, away from bad habbits you can
        call yourself a true veda follower or a true Islam follower …..
        will i go to heaven????
        NO . ISLAM TEACHES I WONT.
        quran teaches i will burn in hell inspite of all good deeds just because i was rational and cannot believe in moon splitting in two with a finger..
        you answer will i go to heaven??
        we come to basic question….
        will all good non muslims go to heaven??

      • @A N Khan
        “””(as you say its said in veda) and a good
        human being, helping others, not fond of adultry, away from bad habbits you can
        call yourself a true veda follower or a true Islam follower also
        because thats what Islam teaches … that’s it..
        Islam means ” full Submission to the Will of GOD Almighty”, and Submission is not a name
        of religion..”””
        this is what we want every muslim shall think.
        now doing all above thayt is good deeds, clean mind, helping others, being rational, not believing on unscientific stories as breaking moon in two pieces, jinns, ghosts etc. and beleiving there is just one god who is all perfect and does not need to send any avatars or prophets to communicate with us..!!
        and since… i am good
        human being, helping others, not fond of adultry, away from bad habbits you can
        call yourself a true veda follower or a true Islam follower …..
        will i go to heaven????
        NO . ISLAM TEACHES I WONT.
        quran teaches i will burn in hell inspite of all good deeds just because i was rational and cannot believe in moon splitting in two with a finger..
        you answer will i go to heaven??
        we come to basic question….
        will all good non muslims go to heaven??

      • @krishna:
        will all good non muslims go to heaven??
        I have tried getting a response from Muslims on this question for so long but they are unable to answer 🙁 Good luck with A N Khan. My guess – He will answer that after death, non-Muslims will be asked a question when they come face to face with Allah. Allah will reveal himself in all his glory and ask – do you NOW believe in me? If you say yes, then you get to heaven. If you say no, you will go to hell 😉

      • Dear AN Khanji
        We are indeed pleased to have your liberal views on our site. As we have mentioned again and again, because of fanatic dominance of a few dogmatic Mullahs, the rest of the good Muslims are suffering. And hence it is very necessary to have voice of the enlightened Muslim like you.
        As you must have observed, we have an article dedicated to Ashfaqullah Khan who died with a Quran around his neck. However the Quran that he believed in was different from what most of the dominant scholars would like present to rest of world.
        Whatever criticism of Quran that is alleged upon Agniveer is upon their version of Quran and not the Quran which Ashfaqullah, APJ Abul Kalam, Azeem Premji, Abdul Hamid etc followed through their deeds.
        We would be happy to publish your views and evidences from Quran that assert that Quran has no place for those who believe that all non-Muslims, regardless of their good deeds would go to eternal Hell eventually. Or that apostates deserve punishment in this life or after life. Or that one has to blindly believe in stories of miracles to be a good human being.
        On contrary, a Quran that gives guidelines for good living without demanding blind belief and hinges on rationality is a text that world definitely wants to see in more thoroughness.
        We would be happy to publish such interpretations of Quran that clearly reject the dominant intolerant view presented by more popular Mullahs like Zakir Naik as trash.
        We look forward to your views in this regard and would be happy to act as a medium to propagate to a larger group of audience.
        Please also share your views on controversial Hadiths from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Scholars like Dr Jelani categorically asserted that Hadiths are total crap and interpretation of Quran in light of Hadiths is cause of all misconceptions. As per him, believers in Hadiths are enemies of Islam and humanity as well as do insult of Muhammad.
        We are keen to promote views of liberal Islam that trashes the intolerant views.
        Kind regards
        Admin

  17. “””(as you say its said in veda) and a good
    human being, helping others, not fond of adultry, away from bad habbits you can
    call yourself a true veda follower or a true Islam follower also
    because thats what Islam teaches … that’s it..
    Islam means ” full Submission to the Will of GOD Almighty”, and Submission is not a name
    of religion..”””
    this is what we want every muslim shall think.
    now doing all above thayt is good deeds, clean mind, helping others, being rational, not believing on unscientific stories as breaking moon in two pieces, jinns, ghosts etc. and beleiving there is just one god who is all perfect and does not need to send any avatars or prophets to communicate with us..!!
    and since… i am good
    human being, helping others, not fond of adultry, away from bad habbits you can
    call yourself a true veda follower or a true Islam follower …..
    will i go to heaven????
    NO . ISLAM TEACHES I WONT.
    quran teaches i will burn in hell inspite of all good deeds just because i was rational and cannot believe in moon splitting in two with a finger..
    you answer will i go to heaven??
    we come to basic question….
    will all good non muslims go to heaven??

  18. @ Krishna Arya ad others
    Salam and greeting to u brothers
    “this is what we want every muslim shall think.”
    Its nothing that you want me to think that so I am thinking that, neither it makes
    any effect that what muslims thinks..
    What I have told ye is the picture of real Islam with quranic verses’s proof..
    Islam deals with every aspects of life.. and I see here that you are talking about the after death.. OK..
    Let me know what are your concept of after death of a person..
    regards

    • @AN Khan
      namaste !
      ——————-what are your concept of after death of a person..—————-
      1. we believe there can not be a permanent heaven or hell for eternity. as for a limited input you can never get infinite output. hence for your limited no. of good deeds you can never get eternal happiness or sorrow for limited sins.
      2. we believe heaven and hell not some places but as the state of mind and the surroundings and conditions a person takes birth. we believe in rebirth. hence a person who gets birth in good surroundings is because he has done good deeds in past life, while someone who gets birth in a beggar’s home is so because of bad deeds in his past life.
      3. we believe the justice is not being delayed long till the judgement day/night. the justice of god happens every moment. we reap fruits of our deeds good or bad. each and every action we do leaves its fruit for us. not a single action of ours goes vain.
      4. and about after death ….. the soul leaves from the body , and remains in sushupt -(coma like state) for complete 13 days then enter a womb to take a new birth according to his past deeds as explained in above points. we dont believe that some day god will come and graves will rise..etc. etc..

    • and yes!!
      5. everyone who does good deeds , though he is a hindu , muslim,christian or any other religion or even an atheist………. would get fruits of his good deeds in this birth also and in next birth also.
      so even if one does not believes there is any god, but since he is a noble person he would get prosperity.
      that is the reason today that many atheists too are leading happy lives today.

      • @ krishna arya
        Salam and greeting to u brothers
        You told me your believes in 5 points..
        See.. there could be just one out of 2 possible things either GOD exist or not..
        If one belive GOD dosent exist then he is on scientific theories view that a body is a
        machine no sole, no GOD, nothing.. machine stop working man dies.. then the concept of
        rebirth on basis of prvious birth’s deed also dosent arise.. and scientifically speaking
        the concept of this rebirth is also as vague as the concept of the judgment day..
        these all are inheritent concepts on which we start believing because our parents believe
        that..
        If GOD exist then there must be some message THEY wished to deliver us vide somebody , If
        Prophet said he is the messanger of GOD so did JESUS so did MOSES (jews) so did Abraham,
        so did Nooh , VED also talks about AVTARS RAM, KRISHNA etc.. if Prophet was wrong saying himself the messanger so might be others.. if others were right saying themselve messangers so might be prophet..
        I agree .. Before Islam we all were from same relegion, my fore-fore father were
        Non-muslim and must be follower of all those believes which belived by you.. Our roots are
        same believes which you believe today..
        But after they understood Quran they came to the conclusion that if GOD exist then these ARE words of GOD and they choosed to believe in them.. and hence converted.. They choose
        not to be at risk by disbelieving, because if one belive in Quran he is not against any
        other believes, Quran quotes about Nooh, JEsus, Moses and we believe that those all were
        messangers, but what they said was spoiled in due course , how .. that I wrote in one of my previous posts.
        If you think that what do Hindus have to do with that and that hindus dont have any
        prophet, then you are wrong.. according to Quran Hzrt Nooh was your prophet and if I am wrong please make me correct Nooh is same whome you know as Manu.
        After I read Quran’s quotes I (being from the same origin that of yours) myself felt that if GOD exist these might be words of GOD’s , they are so explainatory so clear and so confident, The Prophet was the person who never lied in his life and before his Prophecy he was respected and regarded for that only. He was choosen to deliverQuran that was his sole purpose and Quran itself explained everything.
        What you are saying is already in Quraan which means, that.. O Prophet !! there will be 2 types of them (people) one who will belive and other who does not, those who dont belive us let them disbelive (dont force them) and they will repent on their deciesion..
        We choose to belive on words of GOD and to be on safe side.. as we also do live life with all happiness and shortcomming as with which any one else, then what wrong in believing it.. That was our decision and hence we converted.. Each and every Muslim is converted from the same origin as of yours, including Prophet himself after Quraan was deliverd thru him..
        regards

      • —————VED also talks about AVTARS RAM, KRISHNA etc..—————-
        my dear an khan,vedas are from perception of mankind and rama nad krishna took birth some years ago on this world. so how can vedas say about them? instead rama and krishna were emminent scholars of vedas. Rama and Krishna were not prophets or avatars, they were just great souls…
        read some articles on http://www.satyagni.com. and yes we don’t force you to just change your religion but yes your ideoloy must change.
        as if you think a doubt on existense of some entity as ‘shaitan’ and it comes to your mind had there been sucha disastrous thing in universe allah would have ended it!! and even why would have allah made him bad? then you can allow your mind to think more and make conclusions then to feel no i shall not think anything else it would br a ‘kufr–>
        >’
        as sir syed ahmed khan considered one of the greatest reformers of muslims said,
        ” ‘shaitan’ is not some other physical entity but refers to the intelllect in human himself which makes him attracted to wrongs…”..
        “miracles and going to god in one night and talking to allah from behind the curtains he claims as happened in dream not in reality.”
        in this manner he had excellently written new commentary on quran.

      • @krishna arya
        ” they were just great sole ”
        You worship them as GOD .. and you dont say them even avtaar.. what does just great sole implies please explain… who were they actually according to you..
        Which of our ideology bothers you.. ??
        As I said followers of Islam were amongst all the non followers of today.. What Quraan said appealed to us and we beacame the follower, If one talks about Jesus, Moses then there is no reason of not believing in Quran.. If you read its translation you feel its words so correct and clear.. If GOD exist then Quraan is HIS words.. we get confirm once we read it..
        ..Allah would have ended shaitaan..
        its so as.. Allah would have stopped Tsunami in Japan, Allah would have not let OSAMA to take birth, Allah would have stopped britishers to invade India.. and so many things that Allah didnt did isnt it Mr. Arya ?
        To make it clear Shaitaan is ones evil state of mind.. These evil state is nothing outside us, its inside and we are asked to beware of it.. If you belive that GOD created us then HE created our states of minds, we are free to follow what we like as we are provided with brain and instructions in form of Quran..
        Sir Sayyed was very right it was actually a dream.. no one says he actually went to heaven
        Prophet was a simple Man among us with a quality to introduce a reform and thus he was chosen as prophet..
        regards

      • @A N Khan : Ideology that bothers Us
        1) Qur’an is the word of God but no solid proof that how is itso, even when there are original manuscripts of the Qur’an available. which differ from today’s Qur’an.
        anyways if Allah has given brain then first thing is you to ask how do you know that quran is the word of the One Almighty (please spare the copied science of Greeks that are present in it) or you have assumed or it embedded in you psyche by brain washing since childhood, that it is so.
        2)To reach jannah believe in Allan AND MUHAMMAD is MANDATORY (only in ALLAH is not sufficient)
        3)Every year killing millions of Animals on Bakr id to just replicate the sacrifice of Ishmael by his Father know that he was instructed by some body supposedly Allah to sacrifice the thing most dear to him… Does Allah ask every Momin to sacrifice someone dear to them on Bakr id?? or they just kill for the sake of their tongue and make a mockery of the who incident that has supposedly started this illogical tradition. ?
        4) how women are half intelligent than a man.
        These are to name a few.
        Now coming to your response.
        To make it clear Shaitaan is ones evil state of mind.. These evil state is nothing outside us, its inside and we are asked to beware of it.. If you belive that GOD created us then HE created our states of minds, we are free to follow what we like as we are provided with brain and instructions in form of Quran..
        Now if shaitaan is an evil state of Mind then how is that evil state of Mind kicked out of jannah, when that evil state of mind did not listen to Allah the he should bow down to Adam.? isnt bowing to any one except Allah a shirk anyway, then why did that Allah ask that “Evil state of Mind” to commit Shirk. 🙂
        and you did not mention in you list of things that Allah would have stopped “Stopped Murderous Muslims invading India” was that an intentional omission?
        Om Tat Sat.

  19. @
    Arya..
    Salam and greeting to u brother
    “Quraan is words of GOD ”
    also refer to my earlier post :- …. you old me your belive in 5 points…..
    Talk of any relegion… its based on belives… the question is that with what point of view we are looking at its scripture, if we take a negative, condemming view and analyse the scripture we can point out several points according to our level of knowledge.. If GOD exist HIS level of knowledge must be something else than ours.. but if we take an understanding view then the picture will something else..
    For eg.. If I deciede to condemm VEDAS I will find several points to condemm it, and that will be exhibition of my ignorence. But I know that VEDA are not written by insanes and must have some reason behind which I am not getting..
    If one read Quraan with unhatered mentality, by just reading it one can easily say that these words have something special.. Its not just book it seems as Law, which is percised to what and how we should perform thru out our life.. if one believes in GOD, its Law of GOD which stop us from evil and orders to be best.. Though its words have been misinterpreted by some people for their own selfishness, and have given shame and insult to Islam and Prophet.
    Some one have rightly said…
    “If Jesus came back to earth again christians will themseve crusify him,
    If Pr. Muhammad come back on earth again muslim will stone him to death..”
    The relegion which these people taught us we are far from that…
    … Jannat (heaven) and Hell is illustrated in Quraan, and its true that neither I nor anyone have any geographic proof of that, it solemly depent upon if one believe in exstence of GOD or not..
    Dont believe in existence of GOD and the scientific theories views are open for you no heaven, no hell, no god, no sole, no judment day, no rebirth, no adam, no eve etc etc..
    IF we make ourself sure that GOd exist then see the vastness of universe, how may planets and even universes are known to us, what is our knowledge. Had not GOD who created such a beautifull earth can create a more beautifull heaven or a worse place hell.. its all depent upon our own way of thaught, no one can fource us..
    Quran says… GOD exist HE created different worlds, unvierses, creatures, he made life and death and if he can give life once he can make you stand on the day of judgment and can ask about your good and bad deeds you did in your life, whats wrong in beliveing this if its written to promote good deeds and abandon bad deeds.
    3) According to Quraan GOD never ordered Abraham to sacrifies his son, he on the contrary stopped him to do so.. this is again a misinterpretation.. which has been quite cleread to most of people.. And I dont know if you are veg or non veg but it have nothing to do with relegion.. its all about food chain, if homosapiens are to eat chiken and mutton they will be killed also..
    Talking about shiataan you are again asking for childish geographical and physical prooves, as I already said if you dont beleve in GOD their is no need of talking about anything.. these thing are for the believers.. And as I said on reading Quran one can easily get submitt to it but one should read it without any hatered in mind.. the Quran says about existence of evil satan which is no doubt our evil state of mind, GOD could create evil state of mind also.. the verses of Quran prooves the existenc of it, and people are ordered to be aware of it..
    ” stopped murderous muslims to invade india.. ” yes it get ommited, and also when Aryans invaded indus vally civilisation, and also when Hitler made a gas chamber for jews, and also when Alexander killed enormous people for his thirst for being world champion, and the jews who crucified Jesus, and many more similar incidents in which muslims were not invloved…
    but you will only say murderous MUSLIMS..
    regards..

    • @ an khan
      ————————You worship them as GOD .. and you dont say them even avtaar.. what does just great sole implies please explain… who were they actually according to you..—————–
      we don’t worship them as god, i don’t and not even any other vedic follower. only commoner who does not spend time to read vedas or get knowledge of scriptures gets misguided to believe them as gods.
      actually according to me they were great and pious souls.. and were great people on whose footsteps we shall walk. i bring Rani Laksmi Bai, Bhagat Singh ,Guru Gobind Singh, ashfaqulla khan also as our role model and similarly great people …
      ————–To make it clear Shaitaan is ones evil state of mind.. These evil state is nothing outside us, its inside and we are asked to beware of it..
      ——————-, we are free to follow what we like as we are provided with brain and instructions in form of Quran—————–
      ———–it was actually a dream.. no one says he actually went to heaven——–
      just same i think and every rational person would think.
      same was sir syed’s thinking but he given fatwa of doing kufr and hence was fixed for hell by islamic communities. is not that bad? and here agniveer satyagni clearly says that the articles intended only for those who don’t have such a rational thinking….
      regards

    • A.N Khan – “yes it get ommited, and also when Aryans invaded indus vally civilisation, and also when Hitler made a gas chamber for jews, and also when Alexander killed enormous people for his thirst for being world champion, and the jews who crucified Jesus, and many more similar incidents in which muslims were not invloved…”
      Just answer me one thing don’t u find similarities in Islam and Christianity ??
      They both are Abrahmic Faith and command its followers to take it literally and as a result blood shed happens !!
      And we are from Bharat and Taking about Sanatana Dharma ..
      It was propagated that Jews Holocaust was the worst but in truth Hindus Holocaust was the worst in Hindu Kush area today called Afghanisthan .
      and when we talk about India Muslims have done the worst Bloodshed than anyone ..

    • @Ramu Kaka 🙂
      I have seen Muslims eating pork. Though pork is as dangerous to health as beef or any other animal’s flesh but you should try it because many of your fellow Momins eat it!

    • @Ramu
      i have seen many muslims drinking camel urine. Camel urine is good for health(according to Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794, Sahih Muslim 16:4130, “not me”) and should be consumed when in need.

    • @Ramu
      Allah made every species so that muslim can consume it as Islamic theory says. Pig also made by Allah so that Muslim can consume pork & get strength to fight with Kufr. How Allah made pig is it from hands as Allah made Aadam & Hava with his own hands.

  24. गऊ, भारत जिनकी माता नहीं, वे मेरे भगिनी- भ्राता …नहीं,
    ईद मुबारक कह क्या होगा ? जब भावों का ही नाता नहीं |
    गोमांस खायं, त्यौहार मनायं, कश्मीर पाकिस्तानी बतायं,
    आतंकियों के बनें सहाय, देवालय तोड़ें और इतरायं,
    ईद मुबारक कह क्या होगा ? भाई का सम्मान तक जब आता नहीं |
    तकिया खेलें , दीन बतायं, गैय्या पर जब छुरी चलायं,
    मैय्या हिन्दू की बतायं, फिर कुटिल मुसकायं,
    माँ का रक्त देयं बहायं,ईद मुबारक कह क्या होगा ?
    जब देश धरम का नाता नहीं |
    छद्म छुरिका छिपायं,करें पीठ पर घायं,
    बस खडग का न्याय,इनको समझ में आय !
    ईद मुबारक कह क्या होगा ? पेट्रो डालर मुझे ललचाता नहीं |
    दुनिया कहती है समझाय पर सेकुलर समझ न पायं
    गाँधी भी जब विफल हो जायं, भारत विभाजन रोक न पायं
    तो प्यार कहाँ है उपाय ? ईद मुबारक कह क्या होगा ?
    वोट बैंक मुझे है भाता नहीं |
    गऊ, भारत जिनकी माता नहीं, वे मेरे भगिनी- भ्राता नहीं,
    भगिनी-भ्राता कैसा नाता ? एक ही मानें जब माता नहीं |
    ईद मुबारक कह क्या होगा ? जब भावों का ही नाता नहीं,
    ————-अतुल रावत |

  25. I read lots of comment on IDOL worship so here is the actual defination of IDOL worship
    “IDOL Worship means expression or understanding GOD who is devine and out of any beyond by materialistic earthy element or product includes stone, water, fire, human, air, language etc..”
    So attempting of touch or express GOD is also a form of speech in language which is also an IDOL worship and language is also more materialistic product because god only made voice in our throat so we made language as per our knowledge to express our feelings and thoughts.
    “har dharam pahle shabd ka poojari hai” (every relegion is worshipper of words)
    So whoever claims himself as non idol worshipper please understand the meaning of idol worship and then tell me are you not a idol worshipper..
    Second thing is comparing if any one define god and than compare him with earthy definations like perfect as muslim always says(allah hoo akbar) means allah is perfect thatn what do you mean by our of beyond one side you day he is great/perfect and second side you call him perfect so isn’t it contradict with each other.
    third and last if god is powerful and perfect(can not be fail) then why he failed 124000 times to fix his message to human beings and still he only setup 22% human beings to follow him from world’s population why he need human help to make others follow him can’t he do it by himself can’t these both contradict with each other…
    I am awaiting answer from any muslim brother…

    • Sorry i did mistake in my second point so here is the actual
      Second thing is comparing if any one define god and than compare him with earthy definations like perfect as muslim always says(allah hoo akbar) means allah is perfect thatn what do you mean by out of any beyond one side you day he is great/perfect and second side you call him out of any beyond so isn’t it contradict with each other.

  26. Juber, you said “In heaven if Allah provides hoors to have a sex in full as one wants. Whats the problem?” Does Allah also provide the dwellers of heaven with choices like blonde, brunette etc & what about vital stats’ of these hoors? And does Allah also supply crack cocaine there? What about cialis or viagra for those mullahs that do not have an erection? Will allah say Kun”erection” and the erection happens for these guys? And finally is Allah a pimp? Given Allah stays right above the other layers of heaven, will he be having an oversight of the “action” happening below him? I cannot picture allah being any better than a California based porn movie director that oversees group orgies and enjoys people getting sodomized.

  30. Please stick to the topic and respond to our arguments. Do you have anything to say about any point we have raised in the article? If not, it may serve you better to sincerely think about vegetarianism and nonviolence. By making nonsensical comments, you will be wasting everyone’s time!

  31. Please stick to the topic and respond to our arguments. Do you have anything to say about any point we have raised in the article? If not, it may serve you better to sincerely think about vegetarianism and nonviolence. By making nonsensical comments, you will be wasting everyone’s time!

  32. Please stick to the topic and respond to our arguments. Do you have anything to say about any point we have raised in the article? If not, it may serve you better to sincerely think about vegetarianism and nonviolence. By making nonsensical comments, you will be wasting everyone’s time!

  33. Actually Dr. Zakir Sahab preaches truth to keep peace,that is y hindus r jealous of him as he converts thousands of hindus to islam by his deep knowledge.According to Agniveer,all hindu personalities r beggars because they do visit Dr.Zakir Sahab.

  34. We talk about untruth wherever it may apply. However, due to time constraints we may have to focus on the broader topics. Please note that we despise any person (regardless of his/her religion) who adopts illogical and non-sensical approach to life. We speak against so-called Hindus (who use caste-system to their benefit) and also against Christians who kill animals despite a clear commandment against killing.

  35. Actually Dr. Zakir Sahab preaches truth to keep peace,that is y hindus r jealous of him as he converts thousands of hindus to islam by his deep knowledge.According to Agniveer,all hindu personalities r beggars because they do visit Dr.Zakir Sahab.

  36. Actually Dr. Zakir Sahab preaches truth to keep peace,that is y hindus r jealous of him as he converts thousands of hindus to islam by his deep knowledge.According to Agniveer,all hindu personalities r beggars because they do visit Dr.Zakir Sahab.

  37. Namaste Agniveer & all Veer Hindus,
    I am studying Islam and Vedas since a decade and has came to the conclusion that indeed Quran contains the Vedic teachings and presents it in a more standard and subtle form. Afterall Muhammad is a tonne year senior than Dayanand!
    Here people are speaking bad of the Islamic concept of God and Prophet and vis-s-vis referring Allah as the God in Vedas (see Agniveer’s facebook page also) that is but only their kid’s approach of mental gratification. I am sure your these dichotomous approach will win nothing but hatred against you only. Yet I am sure you people are not having a missionary zeal but you are there only to count the convert’s figure so to report your NRI fund-givers/donors (so that you may exploit the name of your poor barren million years old dharma for your evil ends). I found you as fearful of Zakir Naik for whom I must tell you that he is stale now, better to check for Zaid Hamid. He is a one over your millions Pandits if you are bothering of the growing Muslim intelligentsia all over.
    And yes, last but not the least, this Rajput Hindu has proudly accepted your ‘brutal Islam’ (as you illiterates used to refer). Afterall, it is the best religion I found who teaches to be ever ready to die for the truth and not to merely shouting a cowardice at the bank like you Hippocrates.
    May the zeal of ALLAH be with you.
    ALLAH hu Akabr.
    Wassalam,
    Rahil (Rahul) Bhadoria

  38. Dear All,
    Peace to you all,
    Your misconception it is not Bakri Eid or Goat Eid, it is Eid-ul-Adha mean Eid of Scrifice.
    Some were around in 1950 (a little here or there) our Social Hindus made a passed a legal bill thru parliament where the slogan was GAW-RAKSHA, mean no saluting of cow. We muslims respected this verdict and around 10 years no cow was slaughtered on any occasion either eid or normal day. There were so many cow, they started ramping the field of the farmer and loss of millions of rupees, then the bill was revised and slaughtering of cattle was permitted.
    More our most of Hindu brothers farming the cattle and they come to the market to make money by selling their so called mother to get slaughter. Who are there in the business of the skin of cattle. Ask them when the slaughtering of cattle will stop what business they will start. Intimate them before time so they are prepared to face this dilemma. Please stop them from doing this for money benefit.
    More over specially in the metropolitan cities why COW are always trying to get their food in garbage where it is difficult for us to breath they eat their. Take our mother to our home feed them properly instead just by talking and not find actually the solution to stop the slaughtering of cattle.
    Do not take this as personal, but think seriously and find solution to this. As in Islam it is not mandatory to have non veg. We can be good Muslim only by be vegetarian. Here we don’t have enough food for humans, please make more crop for all humans those who will stop taking non veg. and for the cattle which are growing multiple time as of you and need the food too multiple time than you.
    Good Luck to your mission we wish you all the best.
    Bye

  39. “It had a long thin beard and eyes full of confident arrogance.”
    Agniveer when you supposedly have compassion for animals why would you present this innocent goal with such negative characteristics? It is an innocent goat being led to slaughter and it does not have arrogance. It is just living. You then compare it to Zakir and his negative behavior. Why do that to this goat?
    Zakir is right about apostates of Islam to be killed. There are many Muslim apostates living in the West in fear of their lives and that is not because of Zakir but because of Islam. ” All legitimate schools of Islamic law—including Shia—mandate death for the apostate, in accordance with their prophet’s command: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, kill him.” http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/raymond-ibrahim-islams-predictability—apostasy-execution-and-lies.html
    Muslim scholars have not denounced the slaughter of the animals and no one says the sacrifice story is fake. By the way the story of sacrifice is from Judaism. Islam is ripped off of Judaism. Whether to commemorate this action of the Jew Abraham to be willing to sacrifice his only son by animal sacrifice is necessary is a good point, but I would not say it goes AGAINST the tenets of Mohammed.

  40. Agniveer you should read what is political islam first before saying if Zakir is wrong about what he is saying about Islam.
    “The Five Principles
    Islam’s Trilogy of three sacred texts is the Koran and two books about the life of Mohammed. When the Trilogy is sorted, categorized, arranged, rewritten and analyzed, it becomes apparent that five principles are the foundation of Islam.
    All of Islam is based upon the Trilogy—Koran, Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and Hadith (his Traditions).
    Most of the Islamic doctrine is political, not religious. Islam is a political ideology.
    Islam divides the world into Muslims and unbelievers, kafirs.
    Political Islam always has two different ways to treat kafirs—dualistic ethics. Kafirs can be abused in the worst ways or they can be treated like a good neighbor.
    Kafirs must submit to Islam in all politics and public life. Every aspect of kafir civilization must submit to political Islam.
    These Five Principles can be put in five words—Trilogy, politics, kafirs, dualism and submission. These five words bring clarity and ease of learning about political Islam.
    Up until now Islam has been hard to understand because it seemed complex and contradictory and did not make sense. But, once you see how the Five Principles work, everything falls into place. Complexity becomes simplicity. Chaos becomes order.
    All CSPI books are based on these Five Principles.
    1. trilogy
    The Trilogy contains three books—
    The Koran is what Mohammed said that the angel Gabriel said that Allah said. But the Koran does not contain enough guidance for one to be a Muslim. The Koran repeatedly says that all of the world should imitate Mohammed in every way. Mohammed’s words and deeds are called the Sunna. The Sunna is found in two different texts—the Sira and Hadith.
    The first source of the Sunna is the Sira which is Mohammed’s biography. The most authoritative version is by Ibn Ishaq.
    The other source of the Sunna is the Hadith, the Traditions of Mohammed. There are several versions of Hadith, but the most commonly used is by Bukhari.
    So the Trilogy is the Koran, Sira and Hadith.
    2. political islam
    Political Islam is the doctrine that relates to the unbeliever, the kafir. Islam’s relationship to the kafir cannot be religious since a Muslim is strictly forbidden to have any religious interaction with them The religion of Islam is what is required for a Muslim to avoid Hell and enter Paradise.
    The Trilogy not only advocates a religious superiority over the kafir—the kafirs go to Hell whereas Muslims go to Paradise—but also its doctrine demands that Muslims dominate the kafir in all politics and culture. This domination is political, not religious.
    As mentioned earlier, the Koran has 61% of its text devoted to the kafir. The Sira (Mohammed’s biography) has about 75% of its text devoted to the kafir and jihad.
    Islam’s success comes primarily from its politics. In thirteen years as a spiritual leader, Mohammed converted 150 people to his religion. When he became a political leader and warrior, Islam exploded in growth, and Mohammed became king of Arabia in ten years.
    Islam has a complete doctrine of how to treat the kafir that is found in the Trilogy.
    3. kafirs
    Non-believers are so important that they have several names. Christians and Jews are called People of the Book or infidels. Other religious names for non-Muslims are atheist, polytheist, and pagan. But the Koran uses one word that includes all of the religious names. That name is kafir, an Arabic word.
    Kafir is usually translated as unbeliever, but that translation is wrong. Unbeliever is a neutral word. The Koran is very clear about the kafir. Indeed, the Koran defines the kafir by how it speaks of them. Kafirs are the lowest and worst form of life. Kafirs can be robbed, murdered, tortured, enslaved, crucified and more. Later in this chapter, more of the Koran’s doctrine of the kafir is given in some detail. But the key point is that a kafir is not only a non-Muslim, but also a person who falls under a different moral code from the Muslim.
    The Koran is devoted to the division between those who believe Mohammed, Muslims, and those who do not, kafirs. This grand division of the Koran means that there are two points of view of the Koran—the view of the Muslim and the view of the kafir.
    4. dualism
    The third principle is duality, and is unique to Islam. As an example, here is a verse from the Koran:
    109:2 I do not worship what you worship, and you do not worship what I worship. I will never worship what you worship, and you will never worship what I worship. You to your religion, me to my religion.
    This sounds very tolerant, but this verse was written later:
    9:5 When the sacred months are passed, kill the kafirs wherever you find them. Take them as captives, besiege them, and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. If they submit to Islam, observe prayer, and pay the poor tax, then let them go their way. Allah is gracious and merciful.
    Now we have absolute intolerance. This contradiction is normal for the Koran and is even addressed in the Koran. The solution to contradiction is called abrogation where the later verse is better than the earlier verse.
    The logic here is very important. Since Allah is perfect and the Koran is the exact words of Allah, then both contradictory verses are true, but the later verse is better or stronger. This leads to dualistic logic where two contradictory facts can both be true.
    5. submission
    Islam means submission and Muslim means one who has submitted. It is clearly stated in the Trilogy that all kafirs and their civilizations must be annihilated. Mohammed’s success depended on violence to persuade kafirs that he was the prophet of Allah.
    Submission is political, as well as religious. Islam demands that kafirs submit in every aspect of public life. Every part of kafir culture is an offense to Allah.” http://www.politicalislam.com/store/category/primary-doctrine-books/

  41. i agree scientifically vegetarianism is better but wouldnt eating meat in certain circumstances like it says in manusmriti be okay?

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