- Shanti Bhushan – Second reason why I am no more Anna
- Prashant Bhushan – First reason why I am no more Anna
We usually do not publish articles focusing on living persons and focus on concepts instead. However in wake of national interest, we are forced to make this exception. Earlier we had made an exception for Zakir Naik for exactly the same reason – ‘threatening sympathy’ for terrorists. But this one is a bigger concern in our view, since the protagonist is among those behind whm the whole nation had rallied blindly very recently to help us eradicate the nuisance of corruption. But do we need terrorists to destroy corruption?
Yes there is bitterness, frustration and at times even arrogance in this article. But this is not to deride any individual. Our goal is to portray an honest picture of the mind of an Aam Aadmi who can think and reason, is emotional, has been ditched several times by his heroes but yet loves his nation more than anything else.
Read on the confessions of an Aam Aadmi.
Before I begin…..
Please don’t get me wrong.
I am also yet another Aam Aadmi who has had enough of all the dirty politics surrounding the erstwhile Lighthouse of World, my motherland, India. I am tired of this corruption and realize that we need to take drastic measures to get rid of it. I being an Aam Aadmi who does not have VIP access to echelons of powers and power brokers realize the pain of corruption much more than even all my elite leaders fighting against corruption – Senior Lawyers, Bureaucrats, Police Officers and Global Swamis.
I admire the simplicity of Anna. I am astounded by his power of Brahmacharya that made him survive for 12 continuous days without food. A feat that even the most powerful yogic powers of the world could not achieve despite glucose support.
I, like millions of non-Maharashtrians, had not even heard about Anna until a couple of days after BCCI won World Cup on home turf of ICC President Sharad Pawar – one of the most upright persons known to human civilization. And within a couple of days, we had a fully-grown leader for entire ‘civil’ society. Nothing short of the miracles we hear in mythology where an angel suddenly appears or a God suddenly incarnates to save the fallen ones. We have been hearing for ages that only a miracle can save India. And here it was! Who would not have welcomed this incarnation?
The last time we put our hopes behind an incarnation was in 1989 when we had VP Singh emerging to clean all the alleged garbage of erstwhile dynastic leaders. Within 2 years, we realized that this was yet another occasion when we were fooled. But that was 20 years ago. A new generation has come now and hence there is another opportunity to take a chance for sake of Mother India.
So who cared what exactly the demands were? Whether they have been duly and thoroughly evaluated by relevant experts or not? Whether they were practical or not? We needed a context to take those in power heads on and we had got one! We wanted a leader and we had got one! We needed a new personality to worship and we had got one! Everything else was secondary now! All we wanted to do was to don an Anna cap and shout ‘I am Anna’.
But I am no more Anna
But I am no more Anna. I may have been swayed by bandwagon but now I can think again. Of course this is partially attributed to my gurukuls who taught me never to accept a design too early and too fast without due examination. So short-term hypes and personality worship is definitely not my cup of tea. I still respect the great social worker like thousands of other great legends that the nation has produced, but it would take much more than a few months of media coverage to hail him as ‘above Parliament’ like an Arvind Kejriwal did. I would term it as sycophancy or chamchagiri – the very source that later leads to corruption.
But this is not the only reason that I am no more Anna. I would have neglected this reason for sake of unity among dedicated nationalists.
But I love India. And hence I hate terrorism.
I hate the fact that thousands of my innocent brothers and sisters were killed due to terror attacks in recent times and the threat continues to loom. I hate corruption as well. But I do not believe that we invite terrorists to solve issue of corruption.
Afghanistan was critically ill few years ago. Then Taliban came to power and corruption decreased. Do we want this sort of Talibanization to get rid of corruption? If no, then I am not Anna.
Do we need snakes to kill a frog?
Because a man is known by the company he keeps. There is no way for me or anyone to peep into heart of anyone including Anna and see what goes inside. The only way to assess that is through his company and track record.
Unfortunately, the coterie surrounding Anna is that of proclaimed sympathizers of terrorists. And hence I am not Anna.
I read a story in Panchatantra that a frog was tortured by his relatives. He got so frustrated that he called a snake to get rid of the relatives. The snake killed all the relatives one by one and then killed the frog as well.
Moral of the story: You don’t invite snakes to defeat frogs.
=> You do not invite terrorists to eliminate corruption.
Prashant Bhushan – the first reason
Mohandas Gandhi had very strong opinion regarding lawyers and profession of law. While I do not agree to this view in general, if Gandhi had the Bhushan father and son in mind, perhaps he was nothing short of a visionary. Look what Gandhi wrote about lawyers in his seminal work, The Law and the Lawyers:
I have suggested another difficult matter , viz. that the lawyers should suspend their practice. How should I do otherwise knowing so well how the government had always been able to retain the power through the instrumentality of lawyers. … When it comes to a matter of action against the Government, when it comes to a matter of paralyzing the activity of the government, I know that the government always looks to the lawyers….. to preserve their dignity and their self respect. [Page-126]
…those who would not suspend practice could not and should not become leaders. [Page-131]
In my opinion those lawyers who have not yet succeeded in suspending their practice, cannot expect to hold any office in any Congress organization or lead opinion on Congress platforms… If we do not face the issue boldly, we stand in danger of corrupting the movement…. Lawyers, who have hitherto led public opinion, have either renounced practice or public life.[Page- 136]
I cannot conceive the possibility of the movement, which is one of self sacrifice, succeeding if it is led by lawyers who do not believe in self sacrifice… I can certainly imagine a brave and believing weaver or cobbler more effectively leading than a timid and skeptical lawyer. [Page- 140]
They (lawyers) are eager to take part in a national awakening. The spirit is willing, the flesh is weak. I still feel that practicing lawyers cannot lead. They cannot but weaken a movement which demands complete, almost reckless, sacrifice. The whole cause can be lost if top men weaken at a supreme crisis. [Page- 142]
Lawyers will, as a rule, advance quarrels instead of repressing them. Moreover, men take up that profession, not in order to help others out of their miseries, but to enrich themselves. It is one of the avenues of becoming wealthy and their interest exists in multiplying disputes. It is within my knowledge that they are glad when men have disputes. [Page- 253]
I wonder what made Anna Hazare, who considers Gandhi as his guru, to forget such crucial advise of his mentor and include, not one but 2 controversial lavish lawyers from same family! What made Anna not see clearly what Gandhi could see several decades ago!
But blame of creating this terrorist threat also goes to IIT Madras where Prashant Bhushan is supposed to have studied for one semester. I don’t know what happened there but he left the field that Gandhi loved so much to take the profession that Gandhi hated the most. Had IIT Madras been a bit more gentle, perhaps he would have continued his engineering profession and Anna team would have been one member cleaner. But destiny perhaps wanted him to be a successful lawyer who could charge lakhs for each single hearing of even PILs. In Gandhi’s words, “we now stand in danger of corrupting the movement against corruption”!
Here are the TOP 5 Reasons why I consider Prashant Bhushan as a terrorist threat and agree fully with Gandhi’s visionary views:
1. Prashant Bhushan considers Kashmir as separate from India.
In April, he visited Kashmir as part of a Center for Policy Analysis (CPA) group comprising like minded ‘civilians’ to raise voice against Indian Military. He was quoted as stating: “Our role is to facilitate a dialogue between Kashmir, India and Pakistan.”
Refer http://greaterkashmir.com/news/2011/Apr/4/cpa-team-to-move-sc-against-killings-40.asp
So he assumes a priori that Kashmir is a separate sovereign entity different from India.
He and is brother-in-glove Agnivesh revealed from their secret intelligence sources that: Pakistan or LeT has no hand in Kashmir unrest!
Bhushan went on to announce that he would approach Supreme Court against Indian Military for spreading unrest.
One wonders if it is an Indian national speaking or an ISI agent from Pakistan?
How can I support any public movement that is led by enemies who openly express their desire to break my motherland?
2. Bhushan has gone ahead to extent of stating that India should liberate Kashmir.
Refer
This was exactly why he was thrashed recently by a sentimental youth who loved his nation but did not know how to express his dissent given the media blessings to anti-Indians. While I disagree with such frustrated attempts and value freedom of expression, I also believe that even if this happened, it is not worth being condemned so prominently. After all Bhushan was not killed or raped or beaten out of his home, unlike the fate of lakhs of Hindus in Kashmir Valley and those dying in terrorist attacks performed by supporters of Bhushan ideology.
When we shy from condemning so many deaths and tortures, why should thrashing of an agent of ISI raise such hue and cry? How many roadside brawls do we cover in national news? What makes this event so special then!
Anna himself recently said, after public pressure, that if would even go up to war with Pakistan to defend Kashmir. Then why create hype over someone hitting a Kashmir Separatist and ISI agent but also ensuring that he faces no injuries.
(Now some may say that I am being jingoistic by calling Bhushan an agent of ISI for exercising his right of freedom of expression. But then even I am also exercising the same right with one added effect – that given the available facts, it is 1000 times more likely that Bhushan is a paid agent of ISI and terrorists, than Indian Military, Judiciary, Public being communal or spreading unrest.
So if I have to choose my stand, as a logical person, I shall choose the more probable stand – that Bhushan is a paid ISI agent and threat to sovereignty of nation THAN consider the entire majority population of a state, entire judiciary, entire police and entire military as corrupt or communal.)
3. He has a habitual hatred for Gujarati people. He is on record for lying again and again that more than 2000 Muslims were killed in a state abetted pogrom.
Refer http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?224904
The official figures are 254 Hindus and 790 Muslims. Refer
– Does this exaggeration not amount to undue sensationalization for vested interests and spreading communal hatred through misinformation? This seems to come straight from typical ploys used by enemy nations to bring civil unrest through false propaganda.
– If Bhushan has special information about more than 1200 unaccounted Muslim deaths, why does he not help government locate these dead bodies?
– Why does he fail to mention more than 250 Hindus who were killed as well? Why did he never state that those who burnt the coach at Godhra or failed to condemn this incident and instead created reasons to explain this barbaric episode were butchers?
(I, as an Aam Aadmi, know that any killing of innocent is most inhuman thing to happen – be it through riots or through burning of coach. Those guilty must be punished severely. But to sensationalize such events and trying to give it communal color or make baseless allegations without proofs amounts to even greater crime – because this leads to further hatred.)
– What proof does he have that the riots were state sponsored? Is Bhushan above law? The matter is in Supreme Court and in last 10 years, not one single evidence was ever found against Modi? Even if we assume judiciary to be corrupt, as assumed by Bhushan Junior, what power does Modi have to mould the Supreme Court when the Central Government as well as even segments of his own party/alliance have been his critic?
– Further Modi has come to power with overwhelming majority not once but twice, and has garnered even votes of Muslims? Does this not amount to charging majority of population of the model state of India as rioters?
– If indeed the riots were state sponsored, the court will decide about that and give due punishment. And we would respect verdict of highest court of the land. But who is Bhushan to pronounce anyone as a criminal? And if he has the evidence, why does he not bring it to public notice instead of indulging in hate-speech to instigate violence? Or is it that just as Anna is above Parliament, as alleged by Kejriwal, Bhushan is above Supreme Court?
– Does Bhushan being a lawyer not know the basic pillar of legal system – that no one is guilty unless proven? The matter is in courts against Modi for a decade and the whole world seems to be against him thanks to media hype against him. Had even slightest of evidence been found against Modi, he would have been cornered by now. The very fact that this did not happen implies that Modi government having anything to do with riots is highly improbable. At least more improbable than Bhushan being an ISI agent.
– Why does the same Bhushan not appreciate the Gujarat Government for being a model state of development praised even by erstwhile detractors including US Congress? Or is it that he has a personal agenda that is beyond objectivism?
– Ironically, or perhaps logically, even the terrorists whom Bhushan and his father support cite the same anti-Gujarat reasons to plant bombs and kill innocents.
Do we have any fact on record to conclude that Prashant Bhushan is NOT an agent of terrorists?
On contrary, from available facts, it seems 1000 times more likely that Prashant Bhushan is an enemy implant than the allegation of Gujarat violence being state sponsored or Indian police being communal.
4. He is alleged to have stated that Indian Police and Judiciary are not only corrupt, but communal!
Refer http://lifethelove.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/human-rights-activists-denounce-hindutva-terror/
This is a serious allegation. His logic is that in most cases of terrorism, Muslims are arrested by Police and not Hindus.
By this logic, even CIA is communal. So is every other anti-terrorist organization. Because if you look at the list of Most Wanted Terrorists and Most Wanted Terrorist Organizations issued by any agency, it has 99% Muslim names. So if most terrorists come from Muslim background, even those being captured would be Muslims.
No, please do not get me wrong. I do not assert that all Muslims are terrorists. I state that most terrorists are Muslims. And that is because Islam has been hijacked by terrorists like Al Qaeda, Talibanis etc. Hardly any other religious group except Muslim groups proudly claim ownership of any terror attack.
Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle East, Egypt, Somalia, Sudan etc all are under grip of terrorists. The innocent common citizens there are not to be blamed, but it is inevitable that they would have to face problems until terrorism is ruthlessly destroyed. Even Muslim intellectuals of the world are worried about this growth of radical cult in Islam. Our collective goal should be to destroy the roots of terrorism and hence help innocent citizens – be they Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever.
But by giving communal color to this, people like Bhushan are only helping delay this process.
If one looks into issues raised by Mumbai Attackers, Mujahideens etc, they also raise exactly the same issues – Gujarat, Communal Police, Torture of Muslims in India. So it is very likely that both Bhushans and these terrorists get their campaign documents from same source. At least it is more likely than police and judiciary being anti-Muslims!
On contrary, there are reasons to believe that often non-Muslims are targeted in India as suspects in terror attacks merely to prove that terrorism has no religion!
Further,
if indeed Indian Police and Judiciary are so corrupt and communal,
– what is Mr Bhushan doing in this system as a lawyer? Why does he not resign from this rotten system?
– why does he charge lakhs for each hearing?
If he too is charging millions to establish truth in a corrupt system, why then create hype over ‘India against Corruption’. After all will not corruption rule when one has to pay hefty price to establish truth! What can be a better example of shameless doublespeak. It is presence of people like Prashant Bhushan who are responsible for whatever corruption we have today! And they now lead us against corruption!
To proclaim entire Military, Police and Judiciary System to be corrupt and communal amounts to being nothing less than an anti-national with hidden interests served through spread of unrest and panic in India.
So if at all there is a remote possibility that whatever this ISI agent – Prashant Bhushan – is speaking is true (that entire Military, Judiciary, Police is communal), then it is 1000 times more likely that Prashant Bhushan himself is a paid ISI agent deployed by enemies.
5. A die-hard terrorist sympathizer
– After the Batla House encounter, he was among the first persons to visit and state that youths killed were innocent. No tears were shed for the brave police officer Mohan Chand who laid his life for the nation. Would Bhushan dare to explain if youth were so innocent, how could they kill and injure police officers?
Based on demands of these anti-nationals, a NHRC enquiry was setup whose report was submitted to Supreme Court. Based on that, a clean chit was given to Delhi Police.
It is a matter of shame that even after that, Bhushan did not apologize and pay his homage to brave officers who risked their lives.
Perhaps the most honest statement came from Muqtedar Khan, Director of Islamic Studies at the University of Delaware. He spoke against what he called the “intellectually dishonest” representatives of Muslims who “live in denial”…”They first deny that there is such a thing as jihadi terrorism, resorting to conspiracy theories blaming every act of jihadi violence either on Israel, the U.S. or India. Then they argue that unjust wars by these three nations [in Palestine, Iraq and Kashmir] are the primary cause for jihadi violence; a phenomenon whose very existence they have already denied.”
But Bhushan has nothing to do with these honest Muslims. For him Muslims mean only the terrorist groups and their sympathizers.
– An even more shameless assertion from Bhushan was that if at all there is some terrorism from Muslims, it is only after 2002 Gujarat violence.
Refer http://twocircles.net/2008oct15/biased_terror_probe_will_increase_terrorism_prashant_bhushan.html
As if Al Qaeda, Taliban, Indian Mujahideed, Babur, Ghori, Ghazni, Aurangzeb were all saints!
– He even gave a veiled threat that ‘biased terror probe’ will increase terrorism. This is exactly the language that Mumbai attackers used! So does the erstwhile ISI Chief Hamid Ghul and even Osama Bin Laden.
This is just a summary. Readers can explore more on this threat to nation. There are already allegations of Prashant Bhushan’s questionable practices where he is supposed to have taken money to dupe even his own clients.
As we have said again and again, if at all there is a remote chance that whatever Bhushan alleges is true, then there is 1000 times more chance that Bhushan himself is an agent of Al Qaeda or a similar terrorist outfit. A traitor of same league as a Jai Chand or Mir Zafar.
What else could explain his posh lifestyle, his father taking up cases of terrorists and he shouting anti-India rhetorics and condemning our own military/ judiciary/ police?
So until such an agent of terror sits in Anna’s think-tank, I am anything but Anna.
In fact I will have nothing to do with Anna.
Baba Ramdev vs Bhushan
Bhushan was the one who insisted that Baba Ramdev – who started the anti-corruption movement much before Anna – be kept out of Lok Pal Committee. And then both the ISI agents – father and son Bhushans – got into it. Was this a conspiracy of enemies of nation given the pro-terrorist track record of both Bhushans?
The reason cited was that this is a policy issue and we need experts and not Yoga guru.
Whatever be the competency of Baba Ramdev, at least there is no reason to believe that he has anti-national intent. Also what is the business of 2 lawyers in a committe which is supposed to be futuristic and not backward looking?
Lawyers specialize in dealing with existing rot in the system. They are like the typists who know how to type. But we need a computer to replace the typewriter. So if Baba Ramdev had no place in committee, so should have been case for 2 lawyers with dubious track record and known love for terrorists. An organizational system specialist from a successful organization would have been better.
Questions to Anna
– What is an anti-Indian who openly questions sovereignty of India doing in your think tank?
– How was such a threat shortlisted in first place in your think-tank?
– When is he going to be kicked out? If not why?
– What evidence is there to prove that a ‘civil’ society formed in a non-transparent manner led by pro-terrorists actually not a conspiracy of enemies of nation?
– Anna recently said that he believes Kashmir to be integral part of India. Then why is there a slightest delay in kicking him out? Does it not smell fishy?
– Anna himself may be a pious simple-hearted noble person. But that only proves that while he is a great saint he is not the right person to offer leadership in an environment infected with conspiracies and corruption and double-games. Or maybe he has some other compulsions that rest of us are not aware of. After all transparency – the very necessary pillar for anti-corruption – has never been a characteristic of Anna led campaign.
Thus,
Until a clean, capable leadership emerges,
until all the above question are satisfactorily answered,
until all those who have vocal pro-terrorist stands remain in leadership,
until all those who shy away from kicking such pro-terrorists out remain in leadership,
I cannot trust such a leadership.
Politics is a curious creature.
So I know that Prashant may soon be kicked out of ‘India Against Corruption’ team soon due to mounting public pressure. But that will not be sufficient.
Anna will still have to explain in detail:
Why Prashant’s background was not checked in first place?
Why was there a delay in kicking him out even after his anti-India and pro-separation stand was publicly exposed?
Why should all those members be also not kicked out who either support Prashant’s views or condemned the attack on Prashant without clearly stating that Prashant also deserves strong condemnation? This includes Shanti Bhushan – a lawyer of terrorists, Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal.
If such shoddy pro-terrorist people can enter into top leadership of Anna’s team and form its bulk, what is the guarantee that same will not happen with Lok Pal?
More importantly, How do we be convinced that by supporting Anna’s movement, we are not being duped by terrorist conspirers who want to destroy India.
Hence, I am going to take no chances with my motherland.
I am not Anna.
I am pro-India instead.
In next part we shall dwell into another reason for ‘I am not Anna’. It is Shanti Bhushan.
(The article is based on information gathered from the sources cited within and assumes them to be true. In case the sources themselves are not authentic and refuted officially by representatives of Prashant Bhushan, we would be keen to modify the article appropriately as per alternative information provided to us.)
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Their first anti-hindu stand was revealed when the team Anna members notably Arvind Kejriwal, Bhooshan, Agnivesh, etc, objected to the display of photo of Bharat Matha on the dais and got it removed. Not that I am a worshipper of that imaginary Bharath Matha but the mind set that all Hindu icons should be opposed is to be condemned. For them anything Hindu smacks of communalism! It is only a matter of time that Arvind Kejriwal, and kiran bedi [ the I.P.S officer who never shouldered risky jobs in her service but managed to be in the lime light because of her gender and glamorous talk] would be deserting Anna.
@Aryaveer
Brother, one more point Baba Ramdev Ji also disagree from starting on the inclusion of two lawyers in core committee.
Namste Agniveer Ji,
Great article! You have guided the common people through this article & removed their confusion:-
We can not afford “snakes” (terrorist & their supporter/supporter of another partisan like Bhushans) to kill “frogs” (corruption ).
Where do these self-appointed guardians of “secularism” pop up from – be it Barkha Dutt, Dileep Padgaonkar or Prashant Bhushan and their likes? There is NOTHING in Islam that commies like you should like. Isnt religion supposed to be the opiate of the masses? Why are these dimwits lending their support to Islamic separatists – be it Kashmir or Palestine?
Where were the likes of these nutjobs when India was partitioned in 1947 along communal lines? Which rocks were they hiding under? It probably feels good to say something “secular” sounding when they live in a country that guarantees free speech [unless of course those occassions when we had to ban the Satanic Verses because our lovely Momins will be offended]. They can pat themselves on their backs that they think they are doing a good job busting those “evil right-wing Hindus”. Do they have any guts to say Adam/Eve never existed, these impotent fools?
Bro KB
This gentleman even forgot that almost half a million Kashmiri Hindus were driven out of Kashmir in 1989 because the slaves of prophet realized that Kafirs should no longer remain on the pure land of Islam. Intellectuals like Bhushans and Roys forget while suggesting plebiscite that their would be living more than 2 million Hindus in Kashmir right now if the peaceful slaves of Muhammad would have not kicked them out for the sake of peace=Islam. And this way Kashmir would still be a Hindu majority state (since Jammu and Ladakh are Hindu+Buddhist dominated).
I dont understand, if someone loves Pakistan or Islam more than India, who is stopping them from going to Pakistan or Arabia?
And in first place anna was highlighted to subdugate Ram Dev Baba; my friends were there on the stage of Ramlila Midan with Baba; I heard story from my own friends who hate baba indeed..
The ‘sickular’ channel NDTV was showing the scene of Baba jumping from stage to down, and was claiming there was no un announced lati-charge at 2 AM.
At sevagram I was with Bharath Mahoday (teacher of Gandhian philosophy), he was again & again repeated the same since begining of anna’s movement that ‘If Anna is honest, then he must kick out all the currupt people from his stage openly, then I will agree that he is a gandhian. Till then I feel this just another staged drama to fool people’.
I feel slowly he is turningout to be true..
first of all ,swami ramdev never wanted to be a committee member..he just opposed to inclusion of bhushans in it…
1)anna never talk on swiss black money,MNCs .He doesnot want to add RTR clauses in lokpal.
2)NGO of Arvind is funded by FORD FOUNDATION(which he himself admitted) which is funded by CIA/USA…MNCs never want to end corruption in india.
3)what is lokpal?>>an independent agency to investigate and what are SC,HCs etc independent with ability to punish directly but still SC,HCs have done nothing much in last 60 years…so what a lokpal will do?..at the end he will become puppet of mncs..lokpal will just investigate and can harass innocent and keep accused in jail but it depends on (independent)SC to punish..so when SC didnot much in last 60 years , then how can a lokpal ?
4)Janlokpal cant bring foreign black money back because its out of his
jurisdiction..Only PM,Foreign ministry have power to deal international issues. The clause of recovery in lokpal bill is only for anything black found here..
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according to IAC,lokpals promoted by arvind via ford will fall from heaven and eradicate corruption…Its like congress throwing mud on jlb and IAC throwing mud on whoever opposes JLB and their aim of diverting issue from swiss is over.
anna and janlokpal is for chillar and low level/common man corruption…big looot
happens at top level…bribe in day to day life dont cause effect much harm to nation.
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this low level campaign will look good for few years but after that again same story of
corruption if top level people is not punished so in future no one will dare to do scam and they will control people under them also and for that swiss issue has to be raised through which corrupt people get exposed….lokpal cant bring swiss money back……Since lokpal cannot bring money ,Anna movement is an eyewash to divert issues raised by ramdev..Anna never ever speak against mncs,swiss issue and anna himself says JLB will curb only 50-60% ??
Sir/Mam,
I respect your views and agree about the facts and your views about all the above mentioned people except for Anna Hazare. And before putting my opinion about the your views, I would like to hear your opinion and your thoughts towards Anna Hazare.
As i’m a little confused about your opinion of him….
thanks.
Brother,
We have very high respect for Anna Hazare as a great social worker. He has done commendable work for the nation that is inspiration for us. But nation is above everything for us. We can only express our opinion about the nation – that we shall take no chances whatsoever when it comes to the issue of integrity and safety of nation.
Fight against terrorism shall demand us to eliminate not only terrorists but also stop trusting those who actively or passively support or remain neutral or diplomatic in matters of terrorism. This is the fundamental principle and no personality can be above it. This is the essence of Gita. This is the foundation of Agniveer.
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Agniveer Ji
Pleasetell us what he has done for nation except two or three villages.We would like to know what he has done for nation.Did he travelled length and breadth of nation and cured people,did he spreaded our culture or values across nation.
Remember Dayanand taught speak truth and not to butter people.Do not worry you are above Anna and DANNA no need to praise such people.You do not know Anna cannot even reply to Questions asked and he is bit deaf.Please go through my links and everything will be clear.It is nothing but not to have Ramdev come up as he is biggest danger for MNCs and if he suceeds vedic dharma will come back and vatican will cry.Be true to everyone and do not worry about IAC.
One should have highest respect for all those who have selflessly and honestly worked for the nation. We should never pass a judgment against any individual. But views of Prashant Bhushan threaten to promote a devil called ‘disintegration of motherland’ which is a far greater threat than anything else including corruption. There seems no reason, except a blunder perhaps, that both Bhushans were included in core committee of IAC despite their dangerous views and deeds. Neither are these two very powerful or influential, nor have hold over public. They are mere middlemen. So perhaps the good people in IAC are too simple to have blundered spineless anti-nationals in their team. Anna is like Gandhi. Kejriwal and Bedi are like Nehru and Naidu. But this mission demands a Subhash.
Sir/Mam,
After again going through your article, i have a dissenting opinion to it. First of all, I found Anna Hazare to be an innocent man who for his love of motherland has come forward to fight against the plight of society. You have pointed out that why prasanth bhooshan(PB) has not been thrown out of the committe. The simple reason which comes to my mind is that he has strong links in political arena and getting him out may even lead to failure of the movement. PB’s opinion about terrorism and related issues are of his own and I also found them to be anti- Indians. But I don’t think Anna can be blame for it. Also, Arvind Kejriwal and kiran bedi are equally innocent for it. These three (Anna, Kejriwal and kiran bedi) are working selflessly against corruption and i have no doubt about it. I agree that their work is not efficient enough against corruption but I Idolize them because these were the people who came forward to fight and start a new movement in India.
In Geeta, It has been said that,
” To win a war; you can use Saam, Daam, Dand, Bhed.. .. and with such corruption and dirty politics, can you even think of surviving without having people like ‘SB and PB’ (Hope you got what I meant).
In last, i would say that in this Kaliyuga, you sometime need to compromise with situations and “People”. And thats’ what Anna and the others are doing…..
Thank You..
Namaste Kuldeep
If we are to compromise with situations and people, why not compromise with corruption and the corrupts? Why should we compromise with terrorism for the sake of corruption? Should it not be other way round? Your intentions are good but yo missed “Do we need snakes to kill a frog?” section in the same article. Hope you read it carefully and draw the conclusions accordingly.
BTW let me appreciate the decent manner in which you are discussing the matters. Lets keep this spirit going..
I appreciate your view and I didn’t missed “Do we need snakes to kill a frog?”
but the basic flaw in your view is your analogy. my dear friend, the people we are fighting are not frogs but Snakes only and we need mongoose to fight them.
Thank You.
@Kuldeep
The point here is if Team Anna wants no delay in sacking of a corrupt minister how come they are tolerating a traitor amongst them? Will they also allow the likes of Yasin Malik, Paresh Barua?
is it not corrupt a traitor?
Kuldeep… The author has lauded Anna’s personal character and holds him in high regard. It is only the anti-national elements in the civil society team who have proven to be undesirable. Cleansing and amputating are two terms which need to be understood here. On one hand all the talk about cleansing the system and on the other you break the substrate – on which these cleaning policies adhere – doesn’t make sense. You cannot cure your computer infected with virus A with an antivirus which already has Virus B. We are not playing substitution games here.
Arya Jeevan Sir… I respect your views but what you said about computer and viruses doesn’t fits here. Even if you take such an example, it can be contradicted by example of a doctor having viral and then his treatment of patients with viral or some other disease… So, if you can give some better example to convince me about it.
Thank You.
Here is complete proof of this movement.Agniveer Ji please let people know and May GOD bless you.
Proof of Money from Ford Foundation.
http://www.fordfoundation.org/grants/grantdetails?grantid=9374
Same things is said by Arundhati in this interview and she is saying 600 places World Bank is supporting such movmenets.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/jan-lokpal-bill-is-very-regressive-arundhati-roy/179990-3.html
In Link below world bank is saying they support.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/NEWS/0,,contentMDK:20040922~menuPK:34480~pagePK:34370~theSitePK:4607,00.html
In Link below you will find World Bank partnership with Ford Foundation.RTI has informed that movement is funded by Ford Foundation and Arundhati re-iterated same.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/TOPICS/FOUNDATIONSEXT/0,,menuPK:60000436~pagePK:60000431~piPK:60000435~theSitePK:267976,00.html
Rockerfeller who is biggest goon and was part of Brisih Empire also support same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Foundation
Long back Raji Bhai already exposed World Bank and IMF.
Rajiv Dixit on IMF ,World Bank and how India is made slave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=288Ul7tU4gc
This is very arrogant article which judges book by it’s cover and not from it’s contents.
I agree that Prashant bhushan has different view but that has nothing to do with Jan Lokpal bill or Anna hazzare.
If you see the clauses of Jan Lokpal bill which empowers common man to that extent where it can expose and ensure that the corrupt person will go behind bar within 1-2 years.
Common man like you and me are able to investigate and file FIR against any goverment employee without being afraid of being persecuted by dirty politicians.
I feel pity on You because of your shortsightedness. You cannot see that corruption occurs because of centralization of power and this Bill will ensure the De-Centralization.
I’ll support your views only if there are any problematic clauses in Jan Lokpal bill which Anna stands for until then “I AM ANNA” and “I am for Jan Lokpal Bill”
Well will Jan Lok PAl bill remove land acquisition act,will it take off British laws,will it remove GATT which supersedes Indian constitution.Lok Pal members are like frogs in pond and none of them is educated enough to understand world politics.We have seen them in USA and they are funded by Ford foundation check the link.Next time I can paste complete Lok Pal bill and discuss each point one by one also.
(1) First of all, do know or have read Jan Lokpal Bill ? what clauses it has ? what it does ?
Jan Lokpal Bill wont certainly stop thief stealing candy from a baby because that is not its work.But it’ll definitely strike hard on corruption, not 100% but enough to make corrupt people pee in their pants.
Jan Lokpal Bill empowers common man like you and me to file case against even chief minister provided existence of strong evidences.
I have read it and I am amazed to see what it can possibly do to our society. SO please, don’t say all rubbish like will Jan Lokpal Bill help to give you grace marks in board exams, Jan Lokpal Bill is “specifically” against corruption.
(2) secondly I don’t care who or which team supports Jan Lokpal Bill because I see a pebble to defeat mighty Goliath and I’ll certainly support it by all means.
(3) lastly, even if their foundation is funded by foreigners, Jan Lokpal Bill is really a good deal. again i am asking you have read the clauses of Jan Lokpal Bill or simply trashing it just because some random guy is blabbering against it. check your own self on this.
(4) I am sorry but i have to bring this. I directly asking agniveer, what he is done for corruption and i am not asking that how many politicians are behind bars against him BUT till now what Law process he has urged to Central level that will take on corruption ?
Has Agniveer formatted any Law which will end corruption ? – NO
Has Agniveer captured Big Politicians for corrpution ? – MENTION ANY
Has Agniveer even diminished evil caste system ? – JUST AN APOLOGETIC ON INTERNET SITE
There are many evils in Hinduism and in India, what has agniveer done to them which has nationwide effect ? – NOTHING
Namaste Tejpat
——-This is very arrogant article which judges book by it’s cover and not from it’s contents.——
And you are judging Agniveer based on the analysis that they never did 🙂 Go to the top and check whether the topic of this article is at all Jan Lokpal bill?
——–I agree that Prashant bhushan has different view but that has nothing to do with Jan Lokpal bill or Anna hazzare.——
Same way Agniveer have different view on Bhushan that has nothing to do with Lokpal. BTW a terrorist sympathizer deserves more bashing than a patriot Agniveer because former’s views are helping the enemies of nation.
——–I’ll support your views only if there are any problematic clauses in Jan Lokpal bill——
It does not matter whether you support Agniveer on Lokpal or not because issue they raised is beyond pros and cons of Lokpal!
——–I don’t care who or which team supports Jan Lokpal Bill——-
Its not about support but the leading role played by sick people like Bhushans that is the point of article.
——-I directly asking agniveer, what he is done for corruption——
They are fighting for a bigger cause of which corruption is a subset. BTW Will it be wrong if I ask how many people Prashant Bhushan has saved from going to Islam or how many times he defeated terrorists like Zakir Naik?
——Has Agniveer formatted any Law …. – JUST AN APOLOGETIC ON INTERNET SITE——
How many surgeries you have done till date?- None
How many machines you have made till date?- None
How many maths books you have written?- None
How many problems of I E Irodov have you solved?- None… (hope you would understand what i meant 🙂 )
Who are you? Just a poster who can not create his own website to express his views.
——There are many evils in Hinduism and in India, what has agniveer done to them which has nationwide effect ? – NOTHING——
We believe in Geeta that gives us inspiration to strive for truth without worrying about the results. So we dont bother…
cont..
So we dont bother much about the effect. Anyway you are free to share your achievements and effects your comments have created worldwide!
—— And you are judging Agniveer based on the analysis that they never did Go to the top and check whether the topic of this article is at all Jan Lokpal bill?——-
yes it is. Agniveer says don’t support Anna and therefore don’t support Jan lokpal bill.
———Same way Agniveer have different view on Bhushan that has nothing to do with Lokpal. BTW a terrorist sympathizer deserves more bashing than a patriot Agniveer because former’s views are helping the enemies of nation.——–
agniveer is crying foul over here “I am not Anna”. this is everything to do with Lokpal bill. BTW I am supporting jan lokpal bill. I am not a admirer of Anna.
———-It does not matter whether you support Agniveer on Lokpal or not because issue they raised is beyond pros and cons of Lokpal!————-
Yet i haven’t see any clauses of Jan lokpal bill which can prove Lokpal is full of cons and pros.
———–Its not about support but the leading role played by sick people like Bhushans that is the point of article.———–
Lokpal bill is the center point. no one is going to vote for prashant or any of the team anna members. so it doesn’t matter who is supporting but it matters alot what they all are supporting.
———–They are fighting for a bigger cause of which corruption is a subset. BTW Will it be wrong if I ask how many people Prashant Bhushan has saved from going to Islam or how many times he defeated terrorists like Zakir Naik?——–
yet i haven’t seen anyone gone into jail or even expose because of Agniveer. forget about subset, it’s not even in their agenda. all agniveer doing is posting apologetic articles to hinduism. i haven’t seen any “Nationwide” event from agniveer which can reform hindusim.
———How many surgeries you have done till date?- None
How many machines you have made till date?- None
How many maths books you have written?- None
How many problems of I E Irodov have you solved?- None… (hope you would understand what i meant )
Who are you?…
Tejpat
——–Agniveer says don’t support Anna and therefore don’t support Jan lokpal bill.——-
Where? Gi8ve the exact line.
——agniveer is crying foul over here “I am not Anna”. this is everything to do with Lokpal bill.——
No. Anna and Lokpal are two different things.
——- BTW I am supporting jan lokpal bill. I am not a admirer of Anna.——
So what?
——-Yet i haven’t see any clauses of Jan lokpal bill which can prove Lokpal is full of cons and pros.——–
And I have not seen Sachin Tendulkar scoring a triple century ever, so what?
———Lokpal bill is the center point.———
No, not at all. It is you who is seeing the world with Lokpal glasses. BTW Lokpal is very old issue discussed innumerable times before Anna. Point of discussion is who is presenting it before me.
———–yet i haven’t seen anyone gone into jail or even expose because of Agniveer.——
This was not at all the objective of Agniveer.
——– forget about subset, it’s not even in their agenda. ——–
How do you know? And BTW you seem to be from non maths background. Because in the book of algebra you dont find the tables of 2,3,4 etc.
——-all agniveer doing is posting apologetic articles to hinduism. i haven’t seen any “Nationwide” event from agniveer which can reform hindusim.——–
Who is stopping you from doing the same? What Agniveer thinks should be the first priority, they are doing that. You are free to start your own blog or organization that can help people beyond commenting on others’ forums.
Although Arundhati Roy is no good but she knows the nexus of world bank and this case she was true.
May GOD bless Agniveer and May he expose them more.
http://www.islamictreasure.com/?page_id=40
Agniveer Sahib, these people’s arguments against your articles and logic will confound all sane people!!
Its a blessing in disguise that we got to know the seditious mindset of the Bhushans (father-son duo) its open secret now that their pay masters are people across the border.
I admire only Anna from his team and for bringing awareness against corruption but am not a blind follower of his and the Jan lokpal bill because we’re at a danger if the team has likes of Bhushans who would then run a parallel gov’t by get PM under the bill.
Our media is also the culprit because of selective and biased reporting . Traitors like PB and Sanjiv Bhatt are given huge coverage hailed as heroes but their counterparts become villians and criminals instantly, in the former’s case the assaulter was branded ‘terrorist’ even though he did not use any weapon nor he caused any life threatening damage to PB
He also disrupted another traitor Arundhanti ‘suzanna’ roy’s seminar in Delhi but did not hurt her in any way yet he becomes an extremisit with ‘RSS’ inclination
That’s the way now-adays in India where we’re communal if we speak in the interest of our nation and ‘SECULAR’ if we’re against it and we have freedom of expression to do or say anything we like even if it means to talk about diving our nation.
I believe Anna’s intentions are good. And I see Arvind kejriwal and kiran bedi too as pretty much decent people committed to a cause. Its more like “at least someone is doing something” concept. Pretty much like all hindus whine all day about sonia this and hinduism suffering that, but it actually takes an Agniveer to do something about it.
The first and foremost problem, even before corruption, is the media. It is they who make a bhushan or setalvad or roy as heroes out of nothing while creating a virtual moster out of modi, who has done more for the nation than all other politicans of India combined.
There is http://www.sandeepweb.com which analyzes the role of media and pseudo secularism in destroying the hindu foundation.
Be Ready Soon I will expose Jan Lok Pal Bill and Problems of India.My next update will expose step by step Jan Lok Pal Bill.Expose means to whom does it benefit and what are real issues of nation.
@ Vajra,
—-Where? Gi8ve the exact line.—–
“Because a man is known by the company he keeps.” here agniveer shows his views on Anna, and Anna is fighting for Lokpal.
—–No. Anna and Lokpal are two different things.———
Right now they are same, after getting Lokpal passed, they’ll be two different things.
——And I have not seen Sachin Tendulkar scoring a triple century ever, so what?——–
are playing in a jungle gym ? I was saying Agniveer hasn’t produced any defects in Janlokpal bill.
——–No, not at all. It is you who is seeing the world with Lokpal glasses. BTW Lokpal is very old issue discussed innumerable times before Anna. Point of discussion is who is presenting it before me.——–
Lokpal bill is a main issue so don’t toss it in a dustbin by saying it’s an old issue.
——This was not at all the objective of Agniveer.——–
and i thought its on Agniveer’s subsets as you had pointed out earlier !!!
———How do you know? And BTW you seem to be from non maths background. Because in the book of algebra you dont find the tables of 2,3,4 etc.——–
still playing in Jungle gym ?
—–Who is stopping you from doing the same? What Agniveer thinks should be the first priority, they are doing that. You are free to start your own blog or organization that can help people beyond commenting on others’ forums.——–
so now you’re behaving like muslim fanatics who throws anybody out. Great work pal !!
Tejpat
——-“Because a man is known by the company he keeps.” here agniveer shows his views on Anna, and Anna is fighting for Lokpal.—–
Could not find any relation with what you claimed earlier – “Agniveer said dont support Anna”
—–Right now they are same, after getting Lokpal passed, they’ll be two different things.—–
Rhetoric looks good in poetry, not in real world 🙂
——-I was saying Agniveer hasn’t produced any defects in Janlokpal bill.——
Where did they claim to do so? What relation Lokpal has with exposing traitor Bhushan?
——Lokpal bill is a main issue so don’t toss it in a dustbin by saying it’s an old issue.—-
To me national security is bigger issue than Lokpal. Pls be in the context of the article.
——and i thought its on Agniveer’s subsets as you had pointed out earlier !!!—–
You again jumped out of domain of the article. I wrote- “it WAS not the objective”. So obviously I was talking about objective of this article.
——-so now you’re behaving like muslim fanatics who throws anybody out. Great work pal ——
How? I just suggested you. Its you who has to decide whether to abuse Agniveer using their own forum or start your own.
@vajra,
—-Could not find any relation with what you claimed earlier – “Agniveer said dont support Anna”—–
I am not Anna. is it that hard to see.
——-Where did they claim to do so? What relation Lokpal has with exposing traitor Bhushan?——–
“traitor bhushan” has nothing to do with Anna or Jan lokpal so why agniveer has put heading of this article “I am not Anna”
——To me national security is bigger issue than Lokpal. Pls be in the context of the article.—
national security is within lokpal-corruption. eg. in 2G spectrum scam, raja has sold licences to china companies which can put national security in jeopardy.
——How? I just suggested you. Its you who has to decide whether to abuse Agniveer using their own forum or start your own.—
its formal way of saying get lost.
Tejpat
Problem is modern educated illiterates of English medium are brain washed people like you and they have become horse with one view only.You are another Maculay kid on the block like dead men walking Anna.
Thanks
@Raj
And problem with people like you is you guyz always behave like a sheep in a line. you’ll follow anyone who is in the first place without even double checking whether you’re going in a correct direction.
Dead People like Anna has jump started morals in Indians like me to fight against corruption but some guyz just don’t get that. i feel pity on because you haven’t seen Jan lokpal bill even for a second.
Agniveer is cent percent correct in Hinduism reforms but he has failed on Analysis of Anna.
listen tejpat boy. The only point in this article is to question the right of bhushan in that team which is held close to heart by millions. If Agniveer team has some members who advocate killing of non-vedic Hindus, then I would ask Agniveer to remove them from the team and if he doesnt I would lose all faith in him despite his vision and committment to a good cause. I dont see anything in this article as a hard stand against jan lok pal bill or as a matter of fact anna. He explicitly states “anna himself may be a pious simple-hearted noble person” . What is itching you so much?
“I AM NOT ANNA” . the headline chosen for this article itself is false and so is your logic.
Agniveer is calling all others not to become Anna and not to support him.
Now to your logic, if one member of Team Anna says different then that has nothing to do with Anna because Team Anna’s aim is JLPB. they are not there for preaching religion.
whereas if one of agmniveer member talks which differs from tenets of himduism-kill,rape than thats a problem to agniveer itself.
““I AM NOT ANNA” . the headline chosen for this article itself is false ”
No. the headline reads >I am no more Anna. First reason is Prashant Bhushan > Why? Agniveer could always say that these are the opinions of certain members only and not of the team.But your faith in his cause will take a hit. And please stop deluding yourself that you are the only crusader against corruption here. I and the majority still support Anna. But since you are so adamant the CAUSE is anti-corruption, and individuals don’t matter, can you please tell me why ramdev, who also leads anti-corruption drives in the nation,was kept out? Blind belief, not even in Anna, should be removed,brother.
Agniveer Ji
Please put my comments.I replied to Tej-PET
Agniveer ji brilliant artical..
Namaste Vajra ji,
Nice reply to tejpat..I think he has expectations from lokpal bill that it will solved each and every problem of common india.
My expectation from JLPB is to remove corruption. i don’t expect JLPB to catch a thief who has stolen candy from a baby. and no one in Anna movement has any expectations that JLPB will give their son’s educational loan.
Everyone knows JLPB is against corruption except some people like who can drive attention by wrongly criticizing Anna.
We must focus on the leader Like Lord Ram was near perfect having all good qualities, but Laxman had a temper, and others who were more imperfect. Focus on the movement and the person who lives a saintly life. It is quite wrong to focus on Bhushans as they just support the movement and not the movement. Rally for uncorrupted people like ANNa.
We know lawyers you pay them money and they will talk your side. Their true views are quite limited.
This article is flawed that it belittles a movement because one of the supporters are looking bad, in Kali Yuga you wont find too many good people. Prashant Bushan I remember around 2001 was charging 2 lacks just for taking a case as he was well known attorney. Yes, he must also taken many nonsense case and as layer he would talk any nonsense in order to win case for client as you know the bad habits of lawyers. Lawyer is not most respected field but he is not the leader Anna is, he is just a supporter.
In this logic your article is nonsense, I am no more Anna. Prashant Bhushan a support is ANna Hazare
Dear Shri Shri Maharshi Tejpatji
See,what you have replied to Shri Vedaji in the Agniveer discussion forum:Whereas in Mumbai, girls are returing to home after 1am in night feeling more secure than haridwar.
( please note that the point is security and freedom of women to roam around, don’t bring stupid things which is not relevant to the point of example )
All know that Mumbai is the most bad place for one woman’ ijjat.Every day tv channels show how a woman was rapped even in the day in Mumbai.So,I think Maharshi Tejpat is also not the supporter of Anna.So,why is he agains Agniveer.
Namaste Agniveer Ji
First time I have found your article bit immature, you have only put the one sided picture of reality!
Instead of criticizing the specific personality one should try to analyze the issue. Intellectuals of our great motherland India are doing the same thing what you did in this article, targeting the personality. I do not support Prashant Bhushan nor anybody else but the “cause” which is to eradicate corruption out of this country. And if any person or party ,group whether it be Civil Society, congress, BJP,RSS, Agniveer, Ramdev stand for this “cause” I am with them.
What you will find in our intellectuals group that if anybody stand for a “cause”, all starts criticizing each other leaving the issue behind. This is not good for the prosperity and unity of any country. We should try to find the solution of a problem through discussions. Everybody should unite for the “cause”.
Regarding the issue of Kashmir , I agree that liberating it is not the solution but it is also true that these feeling arises in the heart of people, when oppressed . Same is the case with North-Eastern states, they face discrimination in their own country . The first thing is that mentality of people should change. In the article you have put only one side view, but you can’t deny the oppressions, murders, rapes on Kashmiris and people of North-eastern state.
Prashant Bhushan said “We should talk to the people of Kashmir and try to convince them to be with us, and if they will not agree with us we should free them”. First part is ok but the second is not the solution because tomorrow any other state will stand and ask for freedom. It is a problem to the integrity of the country. Anyways it’s Bhushan’s personal view and if one want to counter his view he should must counter it by logics and reasons, not him personally.
Dhanyavad
Namaste
You have right to differ and we have right to say that it is extremely unfortunate that Kashmir separatism is a secondary issue for many of us. But we truly welcome the statement of Anna that he would go for war even at this age if required to ensure Kashmir remains an integral part of India. We share exactly the same views.
Now Anna team refused to accommodate Ramdev once they feared that his presence may lead to allegations of ‘communalism’ and RSS conspiracy etc. But a Kashmir separatist Prashant Bhushan sits in team because ’cause’ is above ‘individuals’. This is duplicity. We stand by our view that I will not involve terrorists or their sympathizers in a ’cause’ against corruption.
By the way, Kashmir issue was only one of the 5 points in the article.
We realize that when it comes to specific matters of politics and nation, there would be sharp differences in opinions and even criticism. So far one talks vague about good values, its all very pleasing. The moment you get specific with exact applications in real life, there are bound to be clashes with bounded rationality, mindsets and pre-conceived notions. But we have no choice except to be honest, unbiased and follow what Vedas and reason guide towards, regardless of opinion of the diplomats. If we stand corrected, we shall improve our stand. Else, reason will find its way to eliminate irrationality, sooner or later. In this case, the ensuing discussions have only strengthened our original stand. But we also realize that we need to publish more analyses on related issues because the level of irrationality and tunnel-vision appears alarming.
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Dhanyavad
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Namaste
I respect you a lot and follow your every article. Anna team refused to accommodate Ramdev, that was really unfortunate but that step might have been taken to please most of the sickular people in our country.
Also I agree with most of your points but again I will say you haven’t written anything against the injustice that has been done against the women and children of kashmir and same is the case with people of North-Eastern states that has aroused the feeling of getting freedom in them. Their are other reasons too. Oppression and misguidance are the root cause of these feeling of terrorism and Naxalism! And if we really want to eradicate all these problems we must have to sort out these cause.
I really consider you as genius , expectations are very high from you.
Dhanyavad
Namaste Brother Mrityunjay
——-I will say you haven’t written anything against the injustice that has been done against the women and children of kashmir——-
Injustice by whom? Please clarify.
Also I want to ask, do children and women of Muslims alone qualify to be called as “children and women of Kashmir”? Nobody talks about Lakhs of Kashmiri Hindus living in refugee camps in Jammu and Delhi, why?
Namaste brother
———Injustice by whom? Please clarify.———
Injustice by our corrupt Governance! By few fanatic people who consider violence is the solution eradicating any problem.
——-Also I want to ask, do children and women of Muslims alone qualify to be called as “children and women of Kashmir”? Nobody talks about Lakhs of Kashmiri Hindus living in refugee camps in Jammu and Delhi, why?——-
No. But all Kashmiris including Hindus and Muslims. Who said nobody talks about lakhs of Hindus who were forced to leave vally? But don’t you think being a human we should have same sympathy towards all innocents who lost their life.
And one more interesting thing is that a countrymen in his own country is called refuge. Suppose I am from Karnatka and then I will move to Punjab, will you called me refuge? Can I be called refuge in my own country wherever I live? I can live anywhere in my country including Kashmir! Who is creating this difference by calling everybody refuge?
dhanyavad
Brother Mritunjay
——-Injustice by our corrupt Governance!——-
That is same everywhere in India. So why is that only Kashmiri Muslims want to become separate? Kashmiri Hindus never demanded separate country, why?
——don’t you think being a human we should have same sympathy towards all innocents who lost their life.——
I agree.
———Suppose I am from Karnatka and then I will move to Punjab, will you called me refuge?——-
No, but if you were FORCED to move out from Karnataka then surely I call you refugee.
——I can live anywhere in my country including Kashmir!——
No you cant. Article 370 denies you your right of settling in Kashmir.
Brother
—–That is same everywhere in India. So why is that only Kashmiri Muslims want to become separate? Kashmiri Hindus never demanded separate country, why?——
No, this is not the only case. North-Eastern states too want the same. Also corrupt governance in these places are different from other places. Human rights are violated here badly. Also in Jharkhand, Chhatissgarh, Maharashtra,Orrisa,West Bengal…etc are the states where Naxalism has grown a lot. Violation of human rights has made them to take these step. Misguidance is also the another reason.
——-but if you were FORCED to move out from Karnataka then surely I call you refugee.—–
Even if one will be forced to moved out of any place will never be called refuge in his own country but will be called migrants from that particular place. Calling them refuge will be discrimination with them.
——-No you cant. Article 370 denies you your right of settling in Kashmir.——
Yeah it’s true that article 370 denies our right of settling but we can live their without being settling ,also Kashmiri Pandits can go back to their place. And If our army is their and things are in their control, why our fellow Hindus are not going back for their right under the security of army?
Dhanyavad
Brother Mritunjay
——-Also corrupt governance in these places are different from other places. Human rights are violated here badly.——-
Then why dont they change the state government instead of demanding liberation from COUNTRY? And how did kicking out lakhs of Kashmiri Hindus out of valley help them get good state governance? Is it just governance issue or Kafir-Momin dispute that will end with the end of formers?
Why Indian Muslims wanted separate nation in 1947? Governance issues? No. Why Muslims invaded India, to help us improve governance? No.
Why Muslims in Arab butchered Pagans and broke their holy places and idols? Governance issues? No.
One should read the history of Islam and Muslims first and then should draw the conclusions. Please dont mix Nexalite problem with Kashmiri Jihad. Latter is purely religious terrorism and former is not.
———Even if one will be forced to moved out of any place will never be called refuge in his own country ——-
You call it A B C or D, it does not matter at all. What matters is that someone had to leave his home because his neighbors kicked him out.
Anyway, if you believe that Kashmir belongs to India and Indian culture and can never be handed over to fanatic stone pelters to make it another Pakistan, I have no disputes with you.
@Mritunjay Pandy
—
– In the article you have put only one side view, but you can’t deny the oppressions, murders, rapes on Kashmiris …..—
Aren’t KASHMIRIS themselves responsible for this? Agniveer has put one side view because the massacres happened particularly to “dharmic” community. Do you remember, last time when they were protesting they torched a Jain temple and Sikh gurudwara? Why they have to do that? This shows that they have intense hatred for KAFFIRS and there demand is communal.
I am not justifying the rapes and murders of Kashmiris BUT one has to understand the root cause of it. You just can’t simply jump to conclusion on what has happened aftermath.
—-Prashant Bhushan said “We should talk to the people of Kashmir and try to convince them to be with us, and if they will not agree with us we should free them”. First part is ok—
Nonsense, all these crap about convincing and talking to them is rubbish coz a terrorist/fanatic mindset will never understand rationality.
Namaste Brother
Do you think all KASHMIRIS are responsible for this? Women and children are too responsible for this? Brother you cannot conclude to the media reports that they have intense hatred for KAFFIRS! I have been to Kashmir, have talked to the people there. If you really want to know about the place, have a visit. There are many Sikhs living peacefully in Baramulla district in Kashmir. Also you will be astonished to find a single HINDU living peacefully in Sopore district. He don’t want to leave the place because people are very good there.(I am not talking about the all).
But still liberation is not the solution of problem and rapes and murders are not justified in anyways. Kashmiri Muslims too feel that they failed to win the trust of Kashmiri Pundits which made them to leave the vally.
If convincing and talking to them is rubbish how you will solve the problem? Do you think all of them should be killed because they will never understand rationality?
Dhanyavad
Mrityunjay
——Do you think all KASHMIRIS are responsible for this?——-
Majority of Kashmiri Muslims. No Kashmiri Muslim till date has come forward and stated that what happened in 1989 was against humanity and Islam. When Muslims can come to streets when Muhammad is painted in Denmark or when Israel launches missiles at Hamas, why did not a single Muslim org in Kashmir come to street against expulsion of Hindus from valley?
——–If you really want to know about the place, have a visit.——
I dont want to visit, I want to go to my ancestral home and settle there that my parents were kicked out from. Any solutions?
——There are many Sikhs living peacefully in Baramulla district in Kashmir. Also you will be astonished to find a single HINDU living peacefully in Sopore district.——
Many Hindus and Sikhs live in Pakistan and Afghanistan too. So lets conclude that both are great nations and are not Hindu haters?
——He don’t want to leave the place because people are very good there.(I am not talking about the all).——–
That is the problem that you want to talk exceptions but I want to talk about majority. Policies are made based on majority and not minority.
——-If convincing and talking to them is rubbish how you will solve the problem? Do you think all of them should be killed because they will never understand rationality?——–
1. Hold a plebiscite in Kashmir. Those who dont want to live with India be shown the path to Lahore and Sialkot. Only those who love India, must live in India.
2. Remove article 370 from the constitution.
Namaste
——-I dont want to visit, I want to go to my ancestral home and settle there that my parents were kicked out from. Any solutions?——-
Our army is there , everything is under their control, why you are not going back? Who has stopped you?
I was talking about the same issue ex-army man from Kashmir only, he said non of our Hindu brother sacrificed their life to save temples there. I know our fellow Hindu brothers faced oppression there but they moved out nobody stand for their right. Look at the Kasmiri Muslims they too are oppressed by Government but they didn’t left.
Now Kashmiri Pandits are getting subsidies ,reservations and many other facilities . If you really want to see the pathetic condition of India come to Jharkhand, Bihar, Chhatisgarh ….you will come to know what poverty is, what Naxalism is? Indian politics is confined within India and nearby regions only!
——Many Hindus and Sikhs live in Pakistan and Afghanistan too. So lets conclude that both are great nations and are not Hindu haters?——
What I said is Sikhs are living peacefully there without any problem. Now they too want freedom because of oppression done by our corrupt Gov. Oppression is not the solution!
—–1. Hold a plebiscite in Kashmir. Those who dont want to live with India be shown the path to Lahore and Sialkot. Only those who love India, must live in India.
2. Remove article 370 from the constitution.——-
In this I agree with both the points of yours.
Dhanyavad
@Namste Brother Mritunjay
Read this article and let us know if you still feel that the Kashmiri separatists are victims of Indian conspiracy.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/19guest.htm
“It is sad and unfortunate that a few leading opinion-makers from the media are now falling prey to Kashmiri separatists’ tactics and agenda. In recent days, we have seen these opinion-makers suggest a referendum in Kashmir. Their argument that if Kashmir secedes from India, all is going to be well in the rest of India, is preposterous and shows a lack of knowledge about the Kashmir issue and Kashmiri radical Muslims.
These radicals will not stop at Kashmir because Kashmir is not the end-game. Instead it is the start of their bigger plan of Talibanisation of the rest of India. Today you give away Kashmir, tomorrow you will have to give away Hyderabad and then Coimbatore and then Moradabad and so on. “
Namaste Brother Shravak
I know the hidden agenda of separatists ,also not in the favor of liberation of Kashmir in any case. What I only want is to do justice with innocent folks as well as stop killing of them. According to official figures released in Jammu and Kashmir assembly, there were 3,400 disappearance cases and the conflict has left more than 47,000 people dead as of July 2009, including children and women.(Think what will be the real figure)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir
Oppression is one of the major reason for originating separatist. Same is the case with North-Eastern states and Naxalism.
Dhanyavad
Namaste Brother Shravak
I know the hidden agenda of separatists ,also not in the favor of liberation of Kashmir in any case. What I only want is to do justice with innocent folks as well as stop killing of them. According to official figures released in Jammu and Kashmir assembly, there were 3,400 disappearance cases and the conflict has left more than 47,000 people dead as of July 2009, including children and women.(Think what will be the real figure)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir
If one really want to know about any place,he should go to specific places and talk to people there. North-Eastern states ,Naxalite effected areas.
Dhanyavad
Here is the truth about so called ‘Human Rights’ violation against kashmiris.
Let’s now look at the facts. Out of the 233 killed persons, 100 were militants while the majority of the balance were either political workers or common civilians gunned down by militants. The report further says that “in 2011… no end to disappearances, custodial killings, rapes and arrests”. But the only rape case of 2011 alleged on the Army was the Kulgam rape case, which also turned out to be a fake allegation. Moreover, when it comes to arrest of minors, a Delhi based Human Rights group had openly accused Syed Ali Shah Geelani of misinterpreting their findings to further his own destructive agenda.
The report fails to mention the killing of Moulana Showkat Shah which was initially christened by Geelani as an “Indian army planned conspiracy”. Later the LeT had claimed responsibility for the murder of the respected Kashmiri religious leader. 2011 also saw two sisters in Sopore being dragged out and shot by militants because they were supposedly indulging in un-Islamic activities.
http://pragmatic.nationalinterest.in/2012/01/06/the-distorted-truth/
Apparently, in a report by ‘Kashmiri Human Rights group’ states that “Despite the hype of peace, people of Jammu and Kashmir have witnessed unabated violence, human rights abuses, and denial of civil and political rights, absence of mechanisms of justice, heightened militarization and surveillance. The figures of violent incidents suggest that 2011 as usual has been the year of loss, victimization, mourning and pain for the people.”
“In 2011, a total of 233 people have lost their lives due to violent incidents in Jammu and Kashmir. Out of 233 persons, 56 were civilians, 100 were alleged militants, 71 armed forces personnel and six were unidentified persons and counter insurgent renegades,” the rights body says in the report. “Out of the total 56 civilians killed this year, 11 were students, amongst whom seven were minors. Also amongst the civilians killed six were women,”
“Prashant Bhushan said “We should talk to the people of Kashmir and try to convince them to be with us, and if they will not agree with us we should free them”
Kindly state with backup evidence as to who exactly are the people of kashmir.
@NaRuTo
If Kashmir will be in Pakistan then next step of Pakistan to start infiltration in Punjab in the guidance of his Arab Master and other near about areas of Kashmir. All the people of region will be killed or thrown out. Then we will say them migrated Punjabi etc like we say migrated Kashmiri Pundit. Once again there will be demand of referendum. This is very old tactic Islamization of India. Result we see in form of Pakistan, Afganistan & Bangadesh & next may be Kashmir. If we would continue tolerate the traitor like Jakir & parshant, no one can save us to be perish.
Well, these so called ‘champions of freedom/liberty’ don’t have a slighest idea how dangerous are peblicite. Look at the Rajiv Gandhi murder case, now based on public sentiments Madras High court has put a stay order on the execution of his assasins.
“Passions are running high in the state against the proposed execution with many political parties including the DMK asking the state government to grant clemency. Last week, a 21-year-old woman in Kancheepuram district, Senkodi committed suicide by torching herself, demanding clemency to the three convicts.”
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-08-31/news/29949449_1_mercy-petition-execution-three-convicts
We are more concerned about Punjabi or Kashmiri or Tamil sentiments, but what about an INDIAN sentiment?
Namaste brother
“We are more concerned about Punjabi or Kashmiri or Tamil sentiments, but what about an INDIAN sentiment?”
You are right brother…..”kashmiri Pundits” says that they are refuge in their own country, think how a countrymen can called refuge in his own camp?!
Namaste brother
This was the statement of Mr. Prashant Bhushan , so you should better ask him!
Anyways in my point of view people of Kashmir are natives of Kashmir. Including Hindu and Muslims both.
It seems that congress has given money to the writer of this article to write this bull shit!
What a moron! Do you mean everybody who is writing against Prashant Bhushan is a congi?
Kudos for the timely article Agniveer Ji!
it’s sad to read some reactions that are either emotional or irrational or myopic
The myopia is evident from the fact that some people think that anti-nationalism can survive alongside anti-corruption.
The irrationality is evident from the fact that they condone the leaders on integrity issues , that too in a movement that wants to ensure others ‘ Integrity is not compromised
The emotionalism is evident from the fact that though the article does not in any way oppose JLP or anti-corruption movements , the same is used as an argument to discredit the article
well, if you want the facts here are the facts
1) Kejriwal approached both Baba Ramdev and Anna for this movement after having failed to establish kiran bedi as the CIC with the help of LKA .How apolitical is this?
2)The team bowed down to the anti-national Imam Bukhari and kicked Bharat Mata and Vande Mataram out of the movement
3)Baba Ramdev was shown the door by calling him a yoga guru not fit to be part of the discussions.what qualifications did anna have in this regard?
4) The CD of Bhushans was found to be genuine!
5)Agnivesh, who was initially used to help anna team break ties with Baba Ramdev was later found to be a congress mole
6) The apolitical anna recently sent his sarpanch to meet Rahul Gandhi
7) the three demands that the team anna has fallen down to are those very apsects that the BJP had in its draft- what did the team add ?
8) Prashant Bhushan’s role is quite clear from the article
9) Timesnow covered a story about terror/illegal NGOs ..the team is reluctant to talk about transparency here
there are many more facts , distance your emotions and biases for a moment and reflect on the facts..of course you are free to draw your own conclusions and so is everybody else that includes Agniveer
Namaste Brother
Emotionalism cannot be denied. And also emotions arises from event and facts.
FROM THE INDUS TO THE SEAS, BHARAT MATA KI JAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moreover Maculay Kid Pandey Ji
I have provided you Lok Pal and I have done complete analysis.
* Why MNCs are not covered in this bill.
* Why only magasay award winners.
* Why it has provision that even after Lok Pal says that person is guilty and still he can move supreme court.Then it means although in 2 Yrs verdict will be given but still after 2 Yrs he can fight in Supreme court.
* Why no right to recall.
* India has 367000 cases pending and if we consider it takes 2Yrs to resolve one case and consider 4000Lok Pal courts,In best case scenario it will take at least 100Yrs.Do you want to wait so long.
* How Lok Pal will end lnad acusition by MNCs.We eat food not USD or INR and land is required.
* How it will stop kkilling of farmers whcih is because of GATT agreement signed by GOI with World Bank.
This agreement declares duty free import and taxation on indina industry whcih results in foreign company to sell cheap but makles our good expensive ,thus destroying Indian INdustry.
* Why 1USD = 50INR.Ramdev says in one day this can be changed and India can be made super power in few YRs.Due to this US goods come to India at more money and Indian raw material goes out 50 times cheap.Loot of Nation.
* Why Anna Dead men walking doesn’t talk about black money.
*Anna who does know how to speak properly is wring blogs now a days,Have we got brain that person who does not know Hindi,Sanskrit and even who cannot see properly and who cannot answer properly be Gandhian.
Last please do provide solution by using Lok Pal bill to my queries and ask Kejriwal too.I aksed these people on face anyd they become dumb.
Finally May GOD bless Agniveer as Dharma and Nation are above all and million Annas can be sacrificed for that.Anna is not even close to Gandhi ji.May God take away his soul.
Thanks
Namaste brother
I don’t know whom kid you are? And from whose education system you have got education?
Jan Lokpal bill may not be up to the mark, I have not gone through it line by line. If there is any problem in it need to be clarified.
Face value of Anna his very high as is noble ,honest man. Media has given him very much hype…this is the reason we know Anna today so well.
I am a common man of my country India, and support every cause which is good for my motherland. I do respect most of the issues of Ramdev Baba, and support him with my heart. Also I prays to make all his demands to be fulfilled!
Dhanyavad
Pandey Ji
Have you ever though Ramdev who has travelled 1Lakh Km across nation was not showsn in media and why Anna is,why Ramdev who is supported by all is not sahowsn why Anna.
Anna has not done anywork except his village and nothing for nation.Ramdev has cured crores of people.He is knows across world right from USA to UK.Why not him.He carries our culture,Dharma and tradition what Anna carrier.He does not carry what even Gandhi wanted.
MEdia is owned by World Bank and not by us.It is tool of world bank and GOI.
Apply bit of logic and do not flow with river.
Thanks
Raj
Media is always busy in their makeups,porn pictures.What they have to do with Ramdev like persons.They would show only those persons who has given money to them.In serious cases,like the 4th June,the media is forced to show him.Why don’t the media show him?Because,Ramdev is against media showing porn pctures.But,the fact is that,every worker in media has bad relations..
Media is definitely sold out. But Ramdev also aint no saint. Don’t live in fool’s paradise. If he is so against porn and vulgarity, why does he invite cheapest actresses like Mallika Sherawat, Shilpa Shetty, Priyanka Chopra to inaugurate his yoga camp and sit on his stage. He teaches yoga to enlarge chest and vreast and make thighs and vuttocks curvy (taken directly from his Yuvatiyon ke life Yog and Sharirik Shausthav ke liye yog)
He praised Shilpa as coming from family of yogis and lauded her for making a porn cd called Shilpa’s yoga. Look how he gave her mike to speak on his stage and then caught shoulder of her beti as she lowered down to bow to him, to tell her Shaadi car lo, cab tai kunvari rahogi. Check youtube videos or you want links here?
He hails Hema Malini as role model of all girls and Dharmendra as yoga disciple.
Do not be fool. He is also yet another Baba enjoying limelight and glitter. No hater of vulgarity will specially bring glam girls on his dais, give them mike to speak, and give tips to increase Chehre ka Glow to Mallika as he sits on his dais!
He is just a charlatan expert in impressing less educated and selling dubious yoga tips. But he is not an anti-national like Prashant Bhushan, shanti Bhushan. Problem is that all these leaders are incompetent. Someone is Dhritrashtra, someone Bhishma, someone Duryodhana and someone Shikhandi. We need a strong powerful high character Krishna.
@Vinay Arya
Rajiv Dixit
There are very few know this name. Media never pay attention even at the time of death of this patriot. This is the name who guide the Ramdev to fight to bring back money from Swiss Banks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_34KYy57H0
Dear all
I know everything about him.I am hearing him from 8 years.I know his indriya sparsh with young ladies.A Brahmachari should not even see a woman.A recent news is that Ramdev was dancing with a makeuped with lipstick girl in the so-called programm.People were cheering him.
Also,he touched the hands of make-uped Kiran Bedi.aur hatho ko ragada bhii.tv par.
I feel very bad on seeing shadhus with such ladies.We should recall Shri Krishna,Shri Ram,Maharshi Dayanannd,Chandra shekhar azad etc.
Tej Pet and Pandey Ji(Maculay kids)
Please do reply to me.
PK ASS
P–>PRashant Bhushan
K–>Kiran Bedi
A–>Anna
S–>Santosh Hedge
S–>Swami Agnivesh
Thanks
Raj
Namaste brother
What reply you want? And I don’t understand what you really want? Your comments clearly depicts your rationality!
Dhanyavad
We support Lok Pal of Ramdev which includes all above clause but not the one of Anna.
Lok Pal where no foreign award winner will be there,where right to recall and MNCs will be covered.Where Lok Pal will be final verdict and no more going from Lok Pal court to Suprement court.Where everyone will covered,no person above law.
Anna Hazare is pure fake.
Gandhiji wanted to remove English,MNCs,Lawyers from india but Anna is crap he wants all of them.He is 8th fail and failed soldier.
The issue in Kashmir is that our politicians just dont have the guts to practice what they preach. On the one hand they keep saying “Kashmir is an integral part of India, etc., etc.”. Yet we continue to have article 370 according to which: “Indian citizens from other states and J&K women who marry men from other states can not purchase land or property in Jammu & Kashmir” [souce Wikipedia].
Can our politicians grow a pair and act like confident men and women instead of simply appeasing Momins?
Repeal 370 and allow folks like me to settle down in Kashmir if I so desire! Let ALL INDIANS BE FREE TO SETTLE AND LIVE THEIR LIVES PEACEFULLY WHEREVER THEY DESIRE IN INDIA!
Excellent Ka.
Anna Team should be treated lesson for keeping such peopl.
We have seen almost all of them getting beaten ,Only Anna is left.
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Agniveerji..Namaste.
I completely agree with your points against Bhushans however what I would say is if current Janlokpal bill is passed – much of the problems including Communalism (anti hinduism of Congress) would start getting solved because there would be no incentive for politicians to create communal issues.
At present, we should help Anna to get the Janlokpal bill passed. And for that we need to hold on our comments about Bhushans. Once the bill is passed, then we can talk about Bhushans.
excellent article. i want to know how do naxals who cant even afford a meal a day manage to buy ak 47, granades and german pistols which are so expensive
all media cooked up stories
amar singh buying mps @ 1 crore when scams worth lakhs of crores are taking in india .media is best depicted by movie pepli live
Shri Anna Hazare is under tremendous pressure. Congress has pledged/vowed to defeat him through his health. One one hand it shows that it is giving security to Anna, but on other hand giving slow poison to him. On the front, people would think that Congress is concerned for Anna, on the other hand promoting some hospitals/doctors to give the slow poison so that his health deteriotes. Why not Padma Vibhshan/ Shree given to doctors who has helped poor villages and does not own any luxirious hospitals. Just by doings surgical operations for “Mr Atal Bihari Vaqjpayee” or inventing expensive equipments for the Rich-class, some doctors become eligible for prestigious awards.
Conspirators are full in congress and I hope a fake pool of spe*ms would realize that they have done nothing good for India.
Nothing will happen like that.
You know that 66% illiterates and Slum dwellers go for voting? That’s why Congress goes to them and tries to retain them. 60% educated humans don’t vote bcoz they know that no government will do any good and Ultimately all are same jokers with different names.
So, we need some live dynamic solution. What do you say???
@GOD IS GREAT.
I agree and vedas would re-unite India and all True-Indians together. We have to smartly use IT as a revolution to over-throw Congress. It is now breaking this country into many parts. Why don’t they declare the Origin of a lady imported from ……..
There are two castes only : Hungry and Satisfied.
Relax. The fact that anti-India elements are gravitating towards the cynosure of the anti-corruption movement means that there is all the more reason that you should stick in there to prevent them from dispersing that center or corrupting it. Rather, you have chosen to cop out and let them shoo you away. Stick in there brother.
Hi,
I generally find articles here on this site really good, but i regret to say that i dont agree with the view points expressed here, i personally believe Team Anna has raised voice against government for public cause, in our day to day life we always suffer from corruption but apart from just cribing about it we dont do anything and i appreciate atleast some body has raised the voice, it doesnt matter to me what his views about other issues, what matters is what he thinks about the matter he has taken up, now i would like to answer some of the rhetorics mentioned in the post:
1. Prashant Bhushan talking about plebicite in J&K, revoking AF special power: I suppose there are many historians here so please correct me if i am wrong, didnt our celebrated Nehru family clan chieften, Mr JL Nehru announced for Plebcite in Kashmir in 1948, Prashant Bushan is just an ordinary Indian who have no such power as amounting to that of a Prime Minister, so if something should be said wrong that should be said about Nehru in this regards, Revoking AF special powers act, no doubt Army has done comendable job in Kashmir and Media hardly highlights any social efforts taken forward by Army but attrocities are being commited, as when you have absolute power this is bound to happen and this voice to revoke this act is being raise in North East as well.
2. 2000 Muslims were massacared and didnt mention 250 Hindus: well 750 Muslims and 250 Hindus probably you are stating Government’s figure and you may know often government figures are lower than the actual figure. We all should accept the fact in India not from now but from ancient times people of multiple faiths have lived so why we can accept the people of other faiths, unfortunately in this country secularism mean appeasing minorities and often when people raises voice for a valid cause they are looked from the same specticles as the psedu secularist, i dont know if Prashant Bushan is actually secularist or pesdu secularist but i think there were many people killed in Gujrat…
SHAMELESS ARTICLE!!!
Utterly disgusting & motivated article against Prashant Bhushan. This article is worse than the article by Sekhar Gupta in Indian Express saying ‘VK Singh was planning a coup.
Do you know that RSS workers were propesting against Mir Waiz. Then Miz Waiz gave a speech and explained what is happening in kashmir and even they changed their mind. You guys are fools.
I lost all respect I had for agniveer. You are nothing but a paid RSS agent.
Remember one thing – today 75% of kashmiris want to separate. No media reports stories of attrocities in kashmir – the result is almost everybody wants freedom now. How can u keep 3-4 crore people forcibly, unless they want to stay? The name of India is spoilt in the entire world because of kashmir issue. People who hv served in BSF or army in kashmir so not get passport to canada & other countries. If you wanna close your eyes – then keep doing that. But if kashmir separates tomorrow – it will be because of our own faults and NOT because of pakistan. Remmber that.
It will be because of right-wing people like you.
@AD: Pathetic state of Mind, its not your fault but only what the English media feeds your weak grey matter, what about the Kashmiri Hindus (me being one) who were slaughtered as a community and lived as refugees their own country , their women raped and children shot. no Media coverge then…it unfortunate to have pople like you in this country .Kashmir is a part of this country elections are held there and peple vote for a government if they did not want to be with Indian they would not have voted. so wake up and come out from under a mossed rock,Kid.
75% of kashmirs ….. dose they include the thrown out kashmiri brahmins also ? …..
@Agniveer
Remove the article. No need such articles.
Kashmir is ancestrally Indian, fascist 2 nation theory in 1947 was never backed by majority of India.
Never will India partition again.
Kashmir is named after rishi kashyap.
Condemn atrocities against innocent human beings regardless of faith.
Where are demands for Ksashnmiri pandits to return back to valley from those in Kashmir where?
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