I Worship Idols

@jazib

i know that quran says about 4 named scriptures and then mentions that several others were sent to different parts of the world from time to time……but the lack of acknowledgement by name is indeed a big negative factor

” It doesn’t matter, how many number of adherents does a religion had. ”

maybe its like that for you…..but when we hindu’s look at it…..quran (as you muslims project it to be )is making an exclusive claim….”my way or the highway”……..quran talks about jesus and how he was falsely being believed to be a god-and yet no mention about hinduism despite it having a significant number is ……and we are supposed to leave all our scriptures and ancestoral beliefs……for a book that can’t claim to be “even acknowledging us…..let alone answer our questions”…..thats too much!

what are our questions u might ask?
ans: well first of all…..the new book will have to address our vedic and gita knowledge and our scriptures…..before it can appeal to the majority

most of us indeed worship the one and only all powerful creator god…..which we might call with different names….i heard u guys do the same too…..u have 99 names for allah if i am not mistaken?we both claim to worship ultimately the same entity…..and i have to still discard everything?

yes….not addressing buddhists is also a negative

as for hinduism….since our scriptures do not advocate for exclusivity…..we don’t thing its an issue that our scriptures do not address other religions……our scriptures talk about improving oneself spiritually…..do not really go into stuff like what abrahaminc religions do…in other words hinduism does not advocate for followers!

its the ones who needs to advocate would want to convince other religions

ekam sat vipra bahuta vadanti……thats our motto to “reconcile” with others

we believe that meesengers reveal multiple paths to the same one goal everywhere

@Jazib

You asked about “how do we reconciliate? And u specified about heaven hell idol worship reincarnation etc!

Before going to that, let me remind you that there are intelligent men in many religions…..buddhists , sikh, christianity, islam jewish and hinduism.

lets leave out jews (i don’t know much about them)

among the major religions…..christianity and islam talks about exclusivity….multiple intelligent same men can be seen advocating about either of them?

there will be many who can “explain” why theirs is the right one…….and i am yet to see a debate where one could convince another expert……people like ZN could make it look like he has made a victory….but how many experts can he really convice……vice versa for chrisitianity too….it too has experts and it too has failed to convince another expert

Both religions claim…..read our scriptures…..it is 100% scientific…..and our s is truth……yet noone has decisive victory against the other……

Point is….which one is correct or whether atleast one of them correct is a matter of high degree of “analysis”…..and god will decide your fate based on ones analytical skill?, a task the most intelligent from our race seem to fail?

i find that too much to ask for……add to this equation the eastern religions….the equation becomes more complex….but happily the eastern religions don’t vouch for exclusivity (eventhough certain fanatic fools who don’t read scriptures may think otherwise)

now coming back to your question…..
1)hinduism has heaven and hell and later on reincarnation9thats the holistic view)
2)as for no idol usage in worship……we do have that sort amonst us……the arya samaj for example

now the differences u speak off (i know islam as u interpret has no reincarnation)……these come later-don’t they?
who knows….whether there is going to be reincarnation or not….we will not be finding it out during our life on earth

@Jazib

maybe what god intends from all of us is to understand the spirit of the belief system in which we all believe and follow it loyally…..that might be the test

lets say i am right…..i follow my religion in the best way i can and u follow your religion in the best way u can……then regardless of whether there is hell or heaven……regardless of reincarnation, we both will achieve the final goal in life (whatever that maybe)….whats judged about you might be that whether u followed quran to the best of your understanding and whether i followed my understanding to the best of my capability

so if u do think idol worship is wrong….then u r expected not to do it (as one amongst the criteria)

but if i don’t think that usage of idol is not wrong…..then i may be judged via other criteria

quran itslef says that certain of its verses have ambigious meanings and that its meaning may not be fully appreciated straight away…….maybe there are things not fully revelaed to you (as yet)

IF you still insist on ……GOD CANNOT BE VAGUE…IF HE HAS SAID SOMETHING IT HAS TO BE 100% correct
MY response: go back to my christianity vs islam argument…….seriously god cannot be a judge regarding awarding us eternal heaven or hell……based upon our interpretation skill……the scriptures provided by god has done enough to confuse even the most intelligent amonst us….for a person to choose between christianity or islam they have to go by interpretation skill…..i have found that some people interpret the same verses of both scriptures differently…….god has done it…….and only my holistic view can explain this difference !

Idol worship is no ways incorrect because Vedic scriptures clearly says nature is the manifestation of god. God is formless and omnipresent which makes him present in an idol too. If a idol worship is done wit full faith and submission it is true worship. Read this eye opening blog where reference from scriptures are taken to prove beyond doubt tat idol worship is absolutely fine
http://www.rockingbaba.com/blog/index.php/2015/08/08/significance-of-temple-and-idol-worship/

-rajk.hyd

Brother although I can’t speak URDU that good but I will try.

Hame koi zaroorat nhi hai 124000 nabiyon ke Naam yaad hona.
Un nabiyon ka taluq Un ki kour se tha na ki ham se.

Acha bataw hamme unke baare mei Pata hona kyu zaroori hai.
Kya Hame unhe follow karna hai?? Nahi na phir baat hi band karo.

Dusri tarf Jaisa ki
-Jazib ne kaha ki aap ka 33 crore Devon ka Naam Pata hona zaroori hai
For example
Lakshmi paise k liye
Kali Mata reham k liye
Hanuman Shakti ke liye
Wagayra Wagayra

To aap kripya karke 33 crore Devon ka list dein.

Aap ne kahan Nabi bhejha Ab kyu band hua

Pehli baat Muhammad (saw) se pehle jitne Nabi aaye unko sirf unki ummat k liye bhejha gaya tha. Aur LOGUN ko unko follow agle Nabi tak karna tha.

Chunki Muhammad (saw) poori kayanat k liye bhejhe gaye the (Qur’an 21:107) to aur koi Nabi Ab Nahi aayen ghe.

1400 Sal pehle insaan mei itni salahiyat aachuki thi ki wo ye sab samaj sakhe, isliye aankhein Nabi us waqt bhejhe gaye.

Baba Adam k waqt ka insaan to ye nhi samaj sakta tha.
Isliye waqt ba waqt Nabi bhejhe gaye Lekin Asli sandesha sab ka aek hi tha ki AEK HI KHUDA HAI.

Ab agar farzi ISHWAR ki baat kare to agar ved hi aek kitab hoti to VED KO CHAHIYE THA KI POORI DHANIYA MEI HO AUR HAR KOI INSAAN KO IA K BAARE MEI PATA HONA CHAHIYE THA LEKIN aisa nhi hai isliye VED SATAN KI KITAB HAI

As Holy book says
They just know what Satan recited over Solomons Kingdom.

1. God in islam lives in jannat ;sits in a throne above 7 heavens. while Hindus believe God is present everywhere omnipresent ; both microcosm and macrocosm. God is beyond space time

Having said this, Vedanta also says universe is illusion. soul of humans (jiva) =soul of paramatma (soul of Vishnu,Durga or shiva) = ParaBrahmam(GOD). it is similar to holy spirit concept in X’tianity

so idols have Dugra,Vishnu,Shiva not Brahmam…Brahmam is everywhere ; not just in idols.

Using maya(illusion) or prakriti (nature) God assumes many forms.

Now you cannot see Allah per islam,but you can talk to him. Allah spake with Moses (Musanabi) LOL

Mere lip service is enough in islam..just says Allah I thank you for giving me life… Say Allah I worship thee creater of worlds. No need to concentrate on GOD. you can’t concentrate on Brahmam. I mean unrealized souls like us …So you need to worship Shiva, Vishnu, Durga

Now islam says soul is born when you are born (say april 3 2001) but soul will not die and stays in hell forever (for hindus only LOL)

my question is if there is birth then there is death….think through….. our soul has no death or birth.

-rajk.hyd
Lagta hai aapko bhi bat samj nhi aati

1. Aap ne kaha itne Naam kahan yaad rahe ghe – – – – KOI ZAROORAT HI NHI HAI.

2. Aap ne kahan koti(कोटि) ka Matlab crore Nahi.

Chalice DEKHTE hai

Sanskrit dictionary for spoken English :
कोटि koTi f. crore
कोटी koTI f. crore [ ten millions ]
कोटिशः koTizaH indecl. bycrores

Apte’s Sanskrit dictionary
कोटि N.7.79. (-f.) a hundred crores; चरितं रघु- नाथस्य शतकोटिप्रविस्तरम् Rāma-rakṣā

Aur upar Se Agniveer ke aek article mei bhi usne ye likha tha. Khair

3. Aap ka sawal DNA par
Lagta hai AAP BIOLOGY FAIL HAI Kyunki agar kisika blood group O+ hai, uske jiwan mei ye apne aap badan kar O- bhi hota hai ka bi kahi. YANE blood group change hosakta hai apne aap.

4. Aap ne kaha Hazrat Muhammad (Saw) ne hathiya ki.
Kya ram ne nhi ki
KYa Hanuman ne puri Lanka koi nhi jalaya

Unhun ne sirf Burre LOGUN se Jang ki

Na ki Swart k liye

Unhun ne kabi 2 waqt khanaa nhi khaya(Bukhari)

Kabi kabi mahino tak sirf paani aur kajure kahate the Kyunki Khane ke liye kuch nhi tha ( Bukhari WA Muslim)

Kabi teen teen din tak bhukhe rehte the(MUSNAD AHMAD)

Aur Islam mei koi zabardati Nahi

Qur’an 2:256
La ikraha fid-diin

Diin mei koi zabardasti Nahi

5. Aap ko Qur’an 2:54 se kuch problem thi. Chaliye pehle verse DEKHTE hai
Pehle baat Qur’an adesh nhi deta hai Qur’an is Ayat mei keh raha hai MUSA NE LOGUN SE KYA KAHA NA KI KHUDA NE aur agar at tafseer DEKHTE to Pata chalta ki ye Musa ki Galti thi.

An-Nasa’i, Ibn Jarir and Ibn Abi Hatim recorded Ibn `Abbas saying, “Allah told the Children of Israel that their repentance would be to slay by the sword every person they meet, be he father or son. They should not care whom they kill. Those were guilty whom Musa and Harun were not aware of their guilt, they admitted their sin and did as they were ordered. So Allah forgave both the killer and the one killed.” This is part of the Hadith about the trials that we…

-Hindu
One more Pagan who has used foolish arguments.

1. God is not everywhere and if you claim otherwise then tell
IS ISHWAR in toilet
Is He in murderer, rapist, robber.

God being Holy and pure should be somewhere which is pure.

And logically God being everywhere is impossible. I suggest you seeing Atheist Arguments on God being everywhere is a poor theory and can be only refuted by what we say.

He is the originator of skies and the earth (Qur’an)

And not who is everywhere. And why should be Everywhere?

God can’t be beyond space and time if he is everywhere.

2. You said, in Islam you can’t see God.
Problem with you’re claim
Have you seen God?
Have any Hindu seen?

No Vision can grasp him but his grasp is over all vision’s (Qur’an 6:103)

But on the day of Yawm-Al Qiyama God will give his righteous servant’s the ability to see him.

3. God spoke to every Prophet and many other’s, you’re knowledge about Islam is very weak.
To Moses pbuh Lord spoke directly and with other’s through some agent. What was funny about it you as a Hindu Pagan may tell.

3. You used deceit as you are a PAGAN and it’s expected.
You said You can thank Allah(Swt) by just lip service. Although Qur’an clearly says Perform righteousness, Exhort people to truth, Exhort people to patience and percievence (Qur’an Al-Asr verse 3).
Qur’an tells to pay 2.5% of you’re income to poor and needy ” Zakat” (Qur’an 2:3)
There are many, I can’t write all. You are a just a PAGAN Hindu.

Muslim’s are most thankful people. We thank God atleast 100 time’s a day. I said ATLEAST as we recite Al-Fatiha 5 time’s in every Rakat

Qur’an 1:2-7
Praise be to God, the Lord of the world’s.
Most Gracious, Dispenser of Grace.
Master of day of Judgement.
Thee alone we worship and thee alone we ask for aid.
Show us the Straight path.
The path of those whom you have favoured nor of those who incurred your displeasure or of…

-rajk.hyd
Sorry I have mistakenly written
Mistake of Moses pbuh
May Allah (Swt) forgive me my sin’s, I had to write people’s mistake.

Sister Aiza
I think Full incident should be mentioned in order to refute pagan -rajk.hyd on Qur’an 2:54
By Quoting the tafseer you made work for me easier. You Quoted ibn kateer’s tafseer

The story further Continues as
After this happened, the very next two verses say:

And [recall] when you said, “O Moses, we will never believe you until we see Allah outright”; so the thunderbolt took you while you were looking on. Then We revived you after your death that perhaps you would be grateful. (Surah Baqarah, verse 55-56)

These two verses summarize an incident after the incident of the calf, during which Musa (alayhi salaam) took around 70 of Bani Israeel’s leaders to an appointmed meeting place with Allah, where they demanded to see Allah directly (which is something impossible in dunya). You can understand this as a statement of argumentation or something like disbelief; Allah seized them with a lightning bolt.

Ibn Katheer then mentions:

As-Suddi says: (But you were seized with a bolt of lightning) saying; “They died, and Musa stood up crying and supplicating to Allah, `O Lord! What should I say to the Children of Israel when I go back to them after You destroyed the best of them.

(If it had been Your will, You could have destroyed them and me before; would You destroy us for the deeds of the foolish ones among us)’ Allah revealed to Musa that these seventy men were among those who worshipped the calf. Afterwards, Allah brought them back to life one man at a time, while the rest of them were watching how Allah was bringing them back to life. That is why Allah’s said,

(Then We RAISED YOU UP AFTER YOUR DEATH , so that you might be grateful.) Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said, “Death was their punishment, and THEY WERE RESURRECTED after they died so they could finish out their lives.” Qatadah said similarly.

So if our Hindu pagan agrees with the story He has to believe also that they were RESURRECTED.

Either believe whole story or don’t…

-rajk.hyd
Tumhare sab sawalun ka to Jawab de diya Lekin tumne wapas jawab Nahi likhe, lagta hai pure PAGAN ho.

Chalo Ved kehti hai ki agar hamare saath kuch bura pesh aaye to wo hamare purane JANAM KE BURE KAMOO KI WAJAH SE HAI.

To agar ladki ka balatkar hua to is ke hisaab se to ladki khud zimaedar hai

Kyunki ye uske purane janam k papun ka natija tha

Matlab balatkar ISHWAR ne karwaya usko uske purane janam ki saza de kar

Ab sonchne Wali baat ye hai ki BALATKARI VED ke anusar Acha Aadmi hai Kyunki usne ISHWAR ka kaam aasan kiya usko uske pichle janam ki saza de kar

To ved ke hisaab se Balatkar karne wala Mahan hai aur Jis ka Balatkar Hua wo guneghar

Aek aur baat
Adolf hilter – is shaks ne 6 millions LOGUN ka katal kiya hai aur shayad use zyada Logun ko zakhmi

To is shaks ko kitne Janam lene honge ye sab chukane mei
Ya
Phir ye bhi ved ke anusar devta hai jis ne PAGAN ISHWAR ki maddat ki unko saza dene mei (purane janmo ki papon ki)

Aur Farzi ISHWAR Har Jajah yaane
Gobar
Baltkari
Choor
Toilet
Mei kyun hai

-Jazib Bhat

Hahaha
Unfortunately Ishwar is incapable of Forgiving sin’s thus he is no better than a normal Muslim who to commanded to Forgive other’s.

Allah (Swt) has mentioned Forgiveness at many instant’s in Qur’an and you must be knowing that. So much so that one of his attributes is “Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”.

And as one place is Hadith Qudsi I guess it should be where Prophet said Allah (Swt) has made his Mercy prevail over his anger.

Agniveer had faced lot of problem’s on this issue regarding Ishwars incapability of forgiving sin’s and he gives logic that if you get diabities, you will not get better by a mere sorry but has to go through treatment.
1. Agniveer is just giving a wrong allegory here. The Correct example here should be when a Child make mistakes, does not his teacher’s and parent’s forgive him on a mere sorry.
Now, I don’t know about Agniveer’s parent’s but my parent’s love me very much.

This is not the only place where Ishwar faces problems. According to Arya samaj he is incapable to do everything, he is not all powerful (all powerful is a different thing for them) and so on.

And when we ask for reason’s they started posing invalid arguments like
Can God die
Can God create other God
Can God become sleep

Anyway, these invalid Question where answered almost a 1000 year’s before and Pagan’s where the first group to start it.

Aiza Maheen,

soul has birth and no death – this is what you believe…. tell me your point here. Tomorrow if some one say soul has death but no birth will you accept?

ZAKIR Naik says soul has birth and death… stay in jannah is not forever.. openly he said so. Will you accept?

2. Now God spoke to moses is a big flaw in your concept. God is beyond all senses ear (cannot hear), eyes (cannot see him), skin(can’t touch him), toungue (cannot taste him) and nose(no smell of him)…. Also he is beyond mind (imagination)…. Who said this ? not me ,not quran but the Holy Vedas….

So God assumed forms for our sake. Many Hindu devotees (PBUT) have seen God(Durga, Vishnu,Shiva).. They don’t lie.

But you muslims says we can’t see him but can hear him…. Quran does not say Allah made Moses hear some sound but clearly says God spoke to Moses. I can’t keep laughing

3. Is God is toilet??? Yes so says Hinduism….Only if toilet exists though. We believe that God alone is absolute truth!!! God alone is existant…. Universe is maya or illusion. Even space and time is non existant. You can’t keep God in a place like Jannat…. Then he is in toilet and jahannum and in Saudi Arabia too

It is not like you are in your house….You cannot be fully present in all rooms.But God is present in all rooms fully.

God is present in living room fully, bedroom fully…But there are no two Gods. Only one absolute reality. Part of God is whole- Purnamada purnamadam purnat ……..

conceousness of all is one .That is Brahmam (GOD)…. That is individual soul as well …Hinduism is absolute monism not “monotheism”

-Pagan Hindu
You’r Point’s can be summarized as:
1 . Zakir Naik said that Hell is not eternal as soul has death and birth
2. God can’t Hear, see, talk and some Hindu Pagan’s saw God who are truthful.
3. God is in toilet and Hinduism is monotheistic.

Answer –
1.1 Zakir Naik never said what you are saying about Hell, Soul, Death and Birth
1.2 Proof it’s Eternal

Surah 10:52
Then it will be said to them who wronged themselves: “Taste you the EVERLASTING TORMENT ! Are you recompensed (aught) save what you used to earn?”

There are further evidences or I would say 100s but above one is enough for current.

2.1 If God can’t Hear then why do we pray as he will not listen or SEE our condition’s.
2.2 He does and that’s the truth otherwise it’s illogical to pray even

Qur’an 2:137
And if they believe in the like of that which ye believe, then are they rightly guided, But if they turn away, then are they in schism, and Allah will suffice thee (for defence) against them. He is the ALL HEARER, ALL KNOWER.

Again many evidences for above buy 1 is enough.

2.3 How do you know they saw God and that they are truthful.

Qur’an 6:103
No vision can grasp him but his grasp is over all visions’s.

3.1 If God is everywhere then he is bound to time and space
3.2 Why do he exists in unholy places
3.2.1 If you say Everything is holy because God is everywhere then is rape and murder holy as GOD should be there also.
3.3 Hinduism is not Monotheistic. We Love Dr. Zakir Naik but we disagree with him on this. He is wrong in this matter but then again he has based his view on Arya Samaj concept of God regarding Hinduism.
3.4 Qur’an on very 1st verse starts with Name of God (Qur’an 1:1)
Bible starts with same (Genesis 1:1)
Vedas start with the name of A high priest, Agni (Rig veda 1:1) and see next verses it talks about Multiple God’s. This problem in vedas was analysed by many eminent Hindu Scholars, Consider Swami…

“The Iraqi-born native Arabic-speaker who goes by the name ‘I. Q. Rassooli’ has lived in Europe since his university days studying engineering in England. His mind is an inquiring and a questioning one, characteristics not much appreciated among the conformist Muslim community of his origins. And so he stayed in the West and, for the next 23 years, undertook ‘as thorough a study of Islam as humanly possible,’ as he says.

Family Security Matters Contributing Writer Clare Lopez interviewed I.Q. al-Rassooli about Islam.

What is the most important thing Westerners should know about the life of the Muslim prophet Muhammad?

First and foremost, Muhammad should not be called a ‘prophet’ because there is nowhere in his Qur’an and Hadith that he prophesized anything. Instead, in the Qur’an, the hadiths, and the Sira (biography of Muhammad), we read in the original Islamic scriptures themselves that Muhammad committed crimes against humanity on a massive scale: these scriptures themselves recount that Muhammad ordered assassinations of the elderly and nursing mothers because they ridiculed him; that he raped and enslaved captured women; that he personally participated in the mass killing of POWs; that he led a military campaign of genocide against the Jewish tribes of the Arabian Peninsula; and that he married a six-year-old and raped her at aged nine (his child bride, Aisha). I say this not because of anger or a mere wish to be insulting. I do so based entirely on the Islamic records themselves that I can quote in chapter and verse to support my assertions.

For example, each of these assertions may be found precisely as described in the Sirat (biographies) of Muhammad, as written by faithful Muslims.

One of the most authoritative of those biographies comes to us from the Muslim historian Ibn Ishak, as translated by Alfred Guillaume: ‘The Life of Muhammad.’

It is available on Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/Life-Muhammad-I-Ishaq/dp/0196360331

What can or should free people do to ensure that their societies do not fall under the domination of Islamic Law (shariah) ?

Each and every American who cherishes their Constitution and FREEDOM (of thought, belief, association, politics, religion, thought, etc.) must not allow any judge or administration to allow Islamic Law (shariah) the slightest chance of taking root on American soil because Sharia is like a virulent virus, the most deadly known to humankind.

My conclusions based on over 30 years of studies are:

Islam is NOT a Religion but most definitely a CULT belief system as well as a legal, military, political, and social system of totalitarian control.
Allah is most assuredly NOT the same as the God of Jesus, Moses and Abraham because Allah is only the NAME of the supreme moon god of Pagan Arabia centuries before Muhammad and his Quran and represented to this day in the Kaba’a by an ancient meteorite called the Black Stone.
Jihad is most definitely NOT a spiritual struggle to commune with God but eternal WAR against all Unbelievers until all humanity is subject to Sharia.
No god called Allah nor any angel called Gabriel ever revealed a single verse to Muhammad because every letter, word, verse and Chapter in the Quran is the product of Muhammad’s imaginings, the secretions of his depraved mind, his Alter Ego, his Autobiography, but very cleverly projected into the unsuspecting mouths of Allah and Gabriel to give them the aura of sanctity and divinity.
It is by Divine Will (Qidra Ilahyyah) and divine Justice (Haq Ilahi) that the very Hadiths that explain to the followers of Muhammad his Quran and Sunna, are the very same that utterly DISCREDIT Muhammad as a prophet and the ALLEGED divine origin of his Quran.
Although my statements may sound outrageous and hyperbolic to those hearing and seeing them for the first time, I can and do (as in this interview) corroborate every single assertion that I make with citations from the Islamic scriptures…

Muslimah Aiza Behn,

You have’nt answered any of my questions. Your refutation is based on quranic verses ,not common logic. And I don’t beleive in Quran not even a small bit of it. Zakir Naik did say staying in heaven is not eternal Watch:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9MM3HJQxM0

To Aiza and all mulsim on board. Please please be honest and select your sincere answers from the following..I expect you to be 100% sincere.

Questions:-

1. Which of the following below is true?

A) God is present everywhere
B) God is present nowhere
C) God is present somewhere (somewhere strictly mean Jannat or Allah’s throne above 7 heavens)
D) In idol

2. Who will be the permanent resident (Green card holder) of Hell?

A) Great Ghazi Kings like Mohammed Bin Qasim who killed several thousand Hindu men in Sind and Multan and then captured weeping 100,0000 women and children ,made them slaves and send 30,000 of them to Iraq who after doing all these say (In Arabic) “Allah is great; There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet” five times a day 11) And then another Ghazi king Mahmud who killed ,enslaved 500,000 Hindus of Afghanistan, FATA, Khyberpakhtoonkhwa and Punjab.

B) A Hindu who does not harm any one follow Ahimsa, worship forms of God (or signs of God) Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu by worshipping the idols of pristine temples

c) Allah is the best judge. Allah knows the Best

3. Select from below the TRUE statement?

A) Smart Musa Nabi who can distinguish the sentence in Arabic he heard to be from Allah and not made by some one using loud speaker. Btw he saw a bush fire which is sign from Allah ???

B) Not so smart Moses of Christians and Jews, who will doubt whether the sentence (in Hebrew/Aramaic/Canaanite/ancient Egyptian), is from Yahweh or some one using loudspeaker; so Yahweh appeared as a boy (like in movie “Exodus Gods and kings”) or rather made Moses saw a boy’s image speaking

C) God appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Durga,…

-Pagan Hindu
She answered all your Question and Sister Aiza, I want you to see his deceptionist video.

Zakir Naik in the video says regarding Forever of Earth first and then talks about Hereafter.

Watch from 1:10 onwards he says regarding Hell first of all and not heaven. He says IT CAN BE A BILLION YEARS (Allahu Alam – implying he is not sure).

And this liar said, he said so.
Zakir Naik Is not sure but reputed scholars have confirmed, it’s Eternal hell anyway.

This pagan said he doesn’t believe in Qur’an but thinks we would believe in some Pagan rishis who are truthful according to him.

His Question’s

1 . God is in Heavens

Not everywhere because then he would be in a rapist and according to pagan Hinduism he may be even there, we don’t care.
God does not need to be in impure thing’s.

2. So king Ghazi killed so many people and took away 10 lack women’s (his source seems to be Agniveer’s articles). Is there any Historical proof.

Lies above used :
Muslim’s don’t tell Kalama 5 time’s a day.
Hindus are most people who do HIMSA. How many Muslim’s were burnt in Gujrat riots, how many Muslim women’s were raped.
Ulfa (Hindu terrorists) killed people in Assam and it’s continuing.
People in Kashmir and you can’t lie here because I AM A RESIDENT OF KASHMIR. Our sister’s were raped.

Hindu Pagan eternal hell.
Muslim sinner finite hell.

3. You exposed poor knowledge about Islam and Christianity there and Shiva and Durga are Pagan’s.

-Pagan Hindu
He answered but you don’t understand and that’s not our problem.
God does not need to be in a rapist or toilet.
Even if you say that God is everywhere still you’re confining him as universe is finite although expanding but finite.

You lied that Hindus are not permitted to kill irreligious foes, There are tons of Verses in Vedas.

And nowhere does Qur’an say to kill Hindus. You’r scholars quote Qur’an out of context that doesn’t justify anything.

Qur’an says No Compulsion in Religion (2:256)
To you be You’r way and to me mine (109:6)
However 2nd case applies when you don’t want to accept reality.

In general

Qur’an 5:32
if any one KILL A PERSON – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – IT WOULD BE AS IF HE KILLED WHOLE HUMANITY : and if any one SAVES A LIFE, it would be as if HE SAVED THE LIFE OF WHOLE HUMANITY .

You even lied about that if a Muslim makes sin, he can’t go to Hell.

Qur’an 99:8
Anyone who has DONE AN ATOM WEIGHT OF EVIL WILL SEE IT.

-Hindu
What type of Question’s these are?
Toilet and Rapist are impure thing’s, you don’t need anyone to know it. Why are you confusing whether a Rapist is pure or impure. He is impure.

You said that Muslim’s will eventually go to heaven but after hell and that will be because he didn’t associated anything with most high.

Even if a Hindu submits his will to God, he will also have eternal life. Muslim Mean’s anyone who submits his will to God.

And God doesn’t divide people.

Qur’an 10:19
Mankind were but one community , then they fell into variance later on.

I remember Holy verses were L-rd told about disbelievers deeds. There are Other parables also but see this one

Qur’an 24:39-40
39. But the Unbelievers,- their deeds are like a mirage in sandy deserts, which the man parched with thirst mistakes for water; until when he comes up to it, he finds it to be nothing: But he finds God (ever) with him, and God will pay him his account: and God is swift in taking account.
40. Or (the Unbelievers’ state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom God giveth not light, there is no light!

-Hindu

Division is seen only in Hinduism where Caste System exists. You guy’s have Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Shuras etc Achots.

How come you define this. Qur’an clearly shatters this nonsense by informing us that we were created from a Single Male and Female. So when we have common Parent’s distinction doesn’t arise.

The Best in sight of Allah (Swt) is one who exhort people to truth.

Who is better than the one who Call People to there Lord Work’s righteousness and submits only to him.
Check Qur’an 41:33 for above.

-Hindu
Qur’an makes it clear who is best

Qur’an 110:1-3
1. By the token of time
2. Verily, Man is in Loss
3. EXCEPT such as have faith and perform righteous deeds, exhort people to truth and exhort people to patience and percievence.

I tried to see explanation given by Agniveer on caste system and he has failed miserably in explaining it.

He said regarding Ishwar created Brahmins from Mouth and all that stuff Nonsense Point’s.

1. He failed to realize that distinction has been made between Creation of Brahmins and Other’s, whether this passage is literal or metaphorical, this point is evident.
2. He tries to deceive by giving excuses like we do vomit through mouth etc etc I MEAN BY THIS HE IS JUST GIVING A IMPRESSION THAT BRAHMINS ARE WORST THAN KSHTRIYA and not answering the point.
3. He says that this passage is in past tense (I hope he have checked every verse of veda which is past tense) and so this is about past BUT STILL THEN WHY DISTINCTION BRTWEEN CREATION OF BRAHMIN AND DALIT.
4. HIS Photo contain the word’s that If Brahmins were created from mouth and dalits from feet it Mean’s we all are created from God.
The Deception is nice but still distinction is made and moreover we aren’t from God.
If you show this passage to anyone he will say that one who is created from mouth is superior to one created from feet and that’s the impression it gives.

-Hindu
Can you answer following Question’s
1. If Vedas were the only book of God. Then it’s logical that it should had been in every part of the world from BEGINING for people to know it.
But we know it wasn’t so vedas are from God Is false.

The error is clear, why would God restrict his message only to India (In India also less than 1% know vedas even today) leave aside people from other countries, they don’t even know the name Vedas. At a push you will find west people and other’s knowing about Bhagwat Gita or Mahabarata.

God would like everyone to know Truth. Isn’t it. But Vedas are not known, so vedas are false.

Qur’an clearly tells that book’s were send previously for a particular time or for a particular group of people.
But since Qur’an is final message it’s send to whole Humanity. Qur’an solves this Problem.

Now you may ask what about those who don’t know about Islam. First of all there will hardly be anyone today who doesn’t know about Islam. But since these type of people exist that’s why we are told to preach message everywhere and that’s what many 1000s of Muslim scholars are doing throughout world. Those who reject after knowing truth will be punished.

But still there are people whom our scholars can’t even reach.
And God tells that he won’t let anyone die untill he knows what truth is. Maybe God will make him feel that IDOL worship is bad, and God will make him know this so affectively that on day of judgement he won’t complain.
As he said WE WILL SHOW THEM OUR SIGNS IN FURTHEST REGIONS OF HORIZONS AND WITHIN THEMSELVES. (Qur’an 41:53)

And this is true there are only 2 communities who were cut from modern world untill 1924 and it’s found that worship only one God like us, don’t so idol worship like us, do prostration (sujood) like us.
Who inspired it in them.
This was only way to test that whether God made them know it and the ONLY EXAMPLE WE HAVE REVEALED THAT IT’S THE TRUTH of your…

-Hindu

Not good answer’s

1. Darwins Theory
DO you believe that, it is just a theory and not a fact. There are 1000s of book’s against it.

There are theories then which tell that we came from same Parents but again that’s a theory and we don’t use it.

Darwins poor theory suggest that we were Apes (maybe he was) but why did this process suddenly stopped. Why are not Apes developing Now and where are those who should be at the stage between Man and Apes. There are various problems but why wasting time on it, it’s a theory. Does Vedas say anything like what Darwin said?

2. Sorry but Vedas should had been everywhere. Why Brahmin birth is lucky. Why not a dalit one?

Reincarnation theory contains various problems as Jazib also said according to this theory if evil befalls us or we face problems, that’s due to our past life sins.

Does that mean, a girl who gets raped was herself responsible for it because she had done in past life.
And the Rapist becomes good according to it as he helped Ishwar in making him pay his last life sins.

-Hindu

Moreover, Why didn’t God made Vedas reach everywhere. We would have neglected the case whether after that it was accepted or not.

And if you say that we believe that those Muslim’s who do Good will be spiritually uplifted.
You are not able to analyse Problem

It’s like saying we can be successful without Vedas then what’s there any need of Vedas at first place.
No Muslim reads Vedas, No Christian or Jew do.

2. You’r statement Contradicts Vedas. In Chapter of Rig veda 12:6:52 it says that one who REJECTS Vedas should be destroyed.

If you can find spiritually you without Vedas then what’s need of Vedas. Sorry to say Vedas should had been everywhere and that too from BEGINING?

And that’s not the only problem in Hinduism that you will notice God trying to restrict his message to a particular place but we also see that every Hindu DEVA like Ram Krishna etc etc were from INDIA. None of them is an outsider.

Many other thing’s you can see like only those rivers that are in India are Holy to you like Ganga.

Holy places only in India like Amaranth etc.

This is a big Problem.
I don’t get it. It’s similar to African traditional religion or other’s.

The only 2 religion’s that pass this tests are Islam and Christianity.

2. When did VED came into existence is also not known. You’r scholars have multiple views. DAYANAND even suggest more than million which can’t be true as paper pen wasn’t then.

Where did vedas first came into existence?

-Aiza Maheen
Sister you are totally correct, Hinduism is false here and in error.

Vedas clearly tell to follow Vedas and perform Hindu practices Like Yajna to attain bliss.

Since Vedas were not everywhere it’s false.

Here are the proof’s from ved itself.

The Vedas which are considered as word of Ishwar by Arya Samajists makes worshipping Ishwar and ‘yajna’ as mandatory. In fact, those who don’t perform it are called as ‘Rakshasas’!
“..O man I ordain thee to worship the All-pervading God.”

– (Yajurved 5:21, Tr. Devi chand)

Those who don’t perform yajna are evil minded rakhshasas,

“…The inferior articles not used in the sacrifice are the allotted portion of the fiends.”
– (Yajurved 2:23, Tr. Devi chand)
Devi chand writes in the footnote of this mantra:

“Rakhshasas means the evil minded persons, who do not perform yajna. They eat the inferior articles rejected in the yajna.”
Tell me folks, how just is it on Ishwar’s part to order destruction of those ‘Rakhshasas’?

“..Exterminate all fiends and evil-minded persons in the world.”
– (Yajurved 2:19, Tr. Devi chand)

Ishwar makes a person holy only when he follows his commands, then, we may assume all non-Hindus must be unholy, no?

“…I become pure and holy by following Thy(Ishwar) commands.”
– (Yajurved 2:14, Tr. Devi chand)

-Hindu
You’r Foolish Argument’s doesn’t answer anything. First of all I belong to Adam and Eve’s family, my ancestry have nothing to do with Performing some Rituals which were only known to some people of India.
You contradicted Vedas restricted to Brahmins them why You’r fake scholars preaching it to other’s.

You answered none of my points nor Aiza’s, anyway.

1. Darwins Theory is true, this shows how much science you know.

2. Vedas say 2 billion according to you or 4. 5 which is false as correct is 14 billion. Qur’an says 6 long period’s.

3. So you agree girl was raped as it was a punishment for her previous sins.

4. Vedas were not before Universe, this nonsense is shattered by the very fact that Vedas contains stories regarding war’s, people. So can you tell which war happened before creation of universe.

5. The passage I Quoted was regarding irreligious foes and it’s not what Zakir Naik says it’s what you’re eminent scholar dayanand has said.

6. The thing that Vedas are only for Brahmins proves Hinduism wrong. Vedas shouldn’t be only in India.

You didn’t refuted any of above Problems.

Vedas are in Sanskrit. There are only 5000 people who know sanskrit as there mother tongue. This language will become extinct soon according to Language scholars.
That’s not Point.
The point is its in a language not understood easily and today hardly by a dozen of people.
The Problem becomes drastic as you’re scholars say it’s not easy to translate. Why would God send it in a language not known or understood or can’t be

@Jazib

Every scripture was revealed toa particular group at a particular time……people allaround the world know quran…..becausemuslims spread quran

People arenotmuch aware of quran……because as Hindu’s we don’t feel a need to spread quran…….we believe there are multiple paths to success….u will have your paths……and as such we don’t think there is any need for you to be changed

But on the other hand….if u yourselves read and understand vedas……and want to follow that path to god….we don’t mind……a path were u will realise there is no caste or hatred, no need to kill the”infidels”
Yes…people in India follow castes…..because hardly any actually read any of their scriptures !

-Hindu
You’r answer’s are unsatisfactory. So everyone was initially in INDIA (Hahaha). This theory is totally rubbish.
2. What do you mean by some people who were Hindu believed in Adam (do you believe them). Is it in Vedas. So why using this as a proof.
3. You agreed that Girl gets raped because of her previous sins. Then what’s there any need for torturing Rapist as it was Girls mistake. Vedas is wrong here.
4. So there was other universe before the formation of this were war’s were fought. Interestingly Vedas mentions the places of India in those wars. Therefore there was India before universe or another India in previous Universe.
Previous Universe before big bang. SCIENTISTS SALUTE VEDAS.
5. Then you gave You’r own definition of Rooh by concluding it’s rubbish. You’re religion tells about reincarnation which is most Nonsense concept one can have.
Hitler committed 6 million murders. How many Punar (or Poor) janam will he take to pay for it.
6 crore or 6 billion.
Fool’s
Girl gets raped because of Previous sin’s
So, Ganesha must have also Committed Sins so that evil befalled him that his head was cut.
Or Sita did because she was kidnapped.
According to this Poor theory, if you see anyone who IS VERY GOOD what will he conclude that the guy was a sinner.
So all POOR PEOPLE, ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING IN HOSPITALS, THOSE WHO LOST THEIR PARENT’S WERE SINNERS.
6. Hinduism is paganic, it doesn’t satisfy the basis for true religion in the least.

@Jazib,
1. You said “So everyone was initially in INDIA (Hahaha). ” .Ans:-Whats so funny here? in 300BCE, greater India had 33% of humanity living here. Herodotus says in known worlds (including china), Indians are the largest nation surpassing china in those days. Now did you believe that humanity originated in Africa as science says??? Most semitic religions believe that humanity(Adam) originated in middle east which seems to be more “LOL” stuff.

2. some people who were Hindu believed in Adam Ans:- Did I say that??? Hindus don’t believe in adam eve stuff. Puranas says that from Brahma the creator Brahmarshis, prajapatis originated. All humans are their descendants. I think you are not reading my comments properly. And you simply says I am not answering properly. Rather it’s you who is not answering to my questions. Let the neutral folks in this board judge.

3.Girl suffering at the hands of some thugs- islam says that its a test from allah and those thugs are helping allah test that girl??? Hinduism never criticize victims and justify criminals actions… I have already commented before. read it properly. If you don’t understand read twice or thrice. I am sure you will understand what I said

4. yes universe appear and then disappear. in all universe there will be demigods, rishis, humans etc.. Check with sceintists? this is yet another theory even science is having.

5. I have clearly explained re-incarnation .Read it again. your linear concept is rather ridiculous ,where a body is recreated and heaven and hell will stay for ever and all. For guys like you there is no issue. You will have slave women. I pity the muslimahs. They will not even have their husbands in heaven. husbands will simply ignore the muslimah as he has got many slave women.

6. Lord Ganesh losing head has deep meaning. its symbolic and art of God’s lila. No sins for supreme blissful enlightened Ganesha

-Hindu Pagan
You are Making useless comment’s and neglecting main points, Quoting out of Context b a Fool.

1. You used Nonsense logic and a lie
(A) We don’t believe life evolved in Middle East. Can you show single evidence from Qur’an or hadith.
(B) Poor theory of life originating in India has nothing to do with reality. Herodatus, I don’t know whether he said. Even if he said it’s wrong, there is no scientific evidence for it as continent’s were joined initially.

2. Hindus don’t believe in Adam, eve you said. I said did you believe it that you were Quoting.

3. Can be broken in two Part’s – (A) Lie (B) Didn’t answer previous Claim
(A) Lie that Allah tested the Girl being Raped. It’s a test for her. You being a PAGAN who based his claim on Agniveer or are blind to not se what Qur’an says

Here is the Verse you are talking about
Qur’an 67:2
He Who created Death and Life, that He may TEST WHICH OF YOU IS BEST IN DEEDS

You as a PAGAN neglected what verse says. It says “to test who is best in deeds” and not you will be raped to get tested.
Or perhaps you were blind (Qur’an 2:17)

Qur’an clearly tells not to go even near to adultery, leave aside Rape

Qur’an 17:32
“Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is an indecent (deed) and an evil way.”

(B) You didn’t answer Hitler as well as Girl’s rape according to Pagan Hinduism and other thing’s Properly. How many births anyway. Fools

4. Yes this theory is a fact for Pagan Hindus because for scientists there is no proof for life before big bang.

5. It’s based on a lie altogether. I don’t want to humiliate you by Quoting Hadiths showing they will be with husband’s. Slave girl’s is also a lie.

6. Make me understand. what’s deep meaning in it. There’s no meaning, it’s a kiddish theory.

7. Islam is increasing beyond You’r imagination. You’re census Mean’s nothing to us. It’s you who are divided and not we. We know how much it’s…

-Hindu
You are using now asking Strange Question’s.

Why do Muslim Girls suffer?
What do you mean by this. Good and bad happen’s but we should try to be good.
Weren’t lakhs of girl’s been raped in India and all over Delhi. This is not an argument. Rapist die a bad deed and will go to Hell.

1. Hitler taking Millions of Rebirth in lower animal’s and then become a human.
A. It’s illogical
B. Reference needed
C. Ganpati case wasn’t explained
D. All the world’s best people. Consider Mandela, Gandhi suffered huge problems but according to Hinduism this show they were big sinners previously.
E. Reincarnation states that it will continue untill we achieve Mokhsha and Perfection. But this false because world is becoming evil day by day isn’t it. People of old were sincere than us..
F. Human population should have decreased or remained somehow constant according to this theory. But again false humans are increasing.

You posed 2 Question’s against Islam.
1. Allah stated in Qur’an that he originated heaven’s and earth. This proves that he is timeless. Go to Muslim Vs Atheist sites, you will find it explained on Logical Reasoning.

2. You proved that you know nothing about Qur’an.
Allah’s throne
What do you understand by God’s throne. I hope you are not fool like Pagan DAYANAND and his cult and will conclude it’s a throne which humans have containing 4 legs etc etc.

Throne here is metaphorical (it shows God’s kingship)
Since God’s kingship is everywhere. God’s throne is everywhere.

Qur’an 2:255
His Throne extends to the skies and the earth.
And God bless is not on his throne. Pagan Agniveer’s lies are not needed here. The verse he refers to tells God dominance is over hi throne.

Your Question regarding Moses is useless.
TV, radio
And then
Ishwar showing himself to someone
You’r logic makes Ishwar TV

God will show himself to everyone on day of Judgment.

You didn’t…

-Hindu
You are a real Pagan
God will give them girlfriend’s. You seem to be a visitor of Anti-islamic site’s. But still you should atleast bother to see whether these Questions are answered or not.
Con
Consider your agniveer, no eminent scholar takes him seriously because he speaks Non-Sense. To make it Clear, he has raised charges which are ALLIEN to Islam. So if he will debate (which will never, because he is a feared guy), will he not be humiliated before People. He has raised Nonsense theories. It seems, he too visits Answering Islam but Forgets to Visit Answering Christianity or something like that.

Qur’an tells they will be married their to Companions of equal age.
And not Girlfriend’s. Because your religion permits you to lie that doesn’t mean you will speak anything.

When God didn’t made marriage bad in this world, it’s not bad in that world too.

So they will be Wed to Companions of equal age. What’s problem in it, I don’t understand. Yes God will give us every good thing there which eyes haven’t seen and heart hasn’t desired.,including marriages.

Dear Jazib,

Some of your messages are cutoff. So i could’nt see your answers on final judgement and after life. I think you are keeping the argument open until sister Aiza will come and help you?
ok finally you accepted that Allah is everywhere and not just in jannat. It is symbolic. I am happy about that. I am a traditional hindu and not attached to RSS, arya samaj or any babas-swamis or even i dont read agniveer articles to improve my knowledge on Hinduism. I have gurus in my own family. You also says God will show to people on day of judgement that means that God can be seen? As you agree good or bad will happen to all because we all have sins and good. Gandhiji, Mandela and Hitler all have sins and good. no one is perfect. the more sinful one is; the more ignorant one becomes about his true nature of self. So more crimes he will do out of frustration or desire.

One reference :- “But doing many bad things make him take next birth as a ‘chandala’(low caste). Demons become Gods, Immortals become trees, Goat becomes elephant and vice versa, fox dies to take birth as man, a lady dies to take birth as a fox, the unkindly toturing king dies to take birth as a worm, fly dies to take birth as a cat, and all these are Lord’s games.”

Pls read http://madhavasadnam.blogspot.in/2010/09/translation-or-meaning-of-njanappana-in.html

World is becoming bad day by day – Agree. This is kaliyuga also we beleive in cyclic universe. Good times will come. Even bhagavatam hints of a multiverse. Brahma the creator saw many Brahmas worshipping the lotus feet of Lord Krishna, indicates multiverse.

Like big bang a big crunch may happen . This is one theory of end of universe by scientists .Although it has problem with second law of thermodynamics, this is one theory of science. We do not interpret puranas to fit to whatever science says. What is said in puranas is cyclic universe thats all. God is not TV but if he is accessible by one sense (ear) God must be accessible…

-Hindu
Did you really read what I said. I don’t need anyone’s help. Aiza was just making thing’s clear and it seems that you don’t know Qur’an.

1. You told a lie that Allah will give worldly pleasures in heaven and Quoted some Babas blogspot. Well will now this baba teach us what’s in the Qur’an. No one will be bored in Heaven because that’s not this world. That’s a different thing where only Pleasure will remain and Pain will not,enjoying will be everyone and nothing like bored because it’s what God has created it Like.

2. Nowhere did I agreed God is everywhere. I rather said God’s throne is everywhere and that God is not on his throne but THE DOMINANCE OF GOD IS ON HIS THRONE – In other words everything.

3. I don’t need to know what Sri Ganesha know, I was asking for reason that how did calamity befall him an not who has he shown himself.

Coming back to Aiza. She made a logical point regarding Companions but we should give reference also.

Qur’an 44:54
Even so (it will be). And We shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.

So when God will Wed them to us, there is no Problem and since that’s infinite life, we will be married to more than 1. Number is not exactly mentioned anyway.

Hoor – This actually refers to Companions with big eyes or dark eyes(can be male or female) but some translators have translated it woman.

But actually it can refer to both as Qur’an itself so many times gives same hint e.g

Qur’an 33:35
“For Muslim MEN and WOMEN , for believing MEN and WOMEN , for devout MEN and WOMEN , for true MEN and WOMEN , for MEN and WOMEN who are patient and constant, for MEN and WOMEN n who humble themselves, for MEN and WOMEN who give in charity, for MEN and WOMEN who fast, for MEN and WOMEN who guard their chastity, and for MEN and WOMEN who engage much in God’s praise, for them has God prepared forgiveness and GREAT REWARD.”

There are many other Proof’s also.

-Hindu
See You’r lies first
You Quoted me and said

Jazib said:- “You told a lie that Allah will give worldly pleasures in heaven and Quoted some Babas blogspot”
Ans:- I never said baba site and all. I never follow any baba or spiritual guru. i am a traditional Hindu

Response: See you said that PAGAN
“I mean your Allah can offer you only wordly pleasures in heavenn which are pety and often becomes boring??? probably you need to read”

1. You hardly have any understanding of Islam.
Aiza said what I said ” COMPANIONS” and not just “COM0ANION”.Just because you couldn’t see it, that’s You’r problem.
It’s more than 1

2. You’r assumption God is sitting on his throne should not be taken literally. I think you are not reading what I Quoted. This is not a Throne what you think it to be, it’s everywhere (Qur’an 2:255).ITS NOT A PHYSICAL THRONE. Allah Just refers to his kingship (Qur’an 114:2) when he talks about his throne. GOD IS NOT ON HIS THRONE (where from you get all this)

You’r statement
“No wordly pain or happiness will affect him. No karmic after effects will affect him. ”
THIS IS WRONG AS WORDLY PAIN AFFECTED HIM WHEN HIS HAD WAS CUT OR ON OTHER WORDS KARMIC AFFECT IS IN PLAY HERE.

Regarding your Question that any one who has multiple wives in this world what will he get.
First of all that is not EARTHLY WORLD SO CONDITIONS WILL NOT BE LIKE THIS WORLD. THATS A LOT DIFFERENT.

Then you started Propaganda that Muslim’s killed people.
You are a poor debater
Lakhs of People are killed in Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq by NON Muslim’s. what about that.
Ulfa (Hindu terrorists organisation) killed 1000s Muslim’s in Assam.
Out of 600+ district’s in India 100+ is under them.

Many People in My State Kashmir were killed by Hindus (what about that). Many of my sister’s were raped. What about that.

And don’t talk about logic. Hinduism is most illogical. Go and see how many atheists convert to…

-Hindu
There is no science in Vedas. Your agniveer is deceiving you like other scholars of Hinduism. Let’s see how much Agniveer lies.

SCIENCE IN VEDAS OR STUPIDITY BY THE SCHOLAR

Agniveer:
LIGHT OF MOON
Rig Veda 10.85.9
“Moon decided to marry. Day and Night attended its wedding. And sun gifted his daughter “Sun ray” to Moon.”

Answer: This Chapter is actually about “SURYAS BRIDAL” which Agniveer has converted into Sun and Moon.
Here is the Chapter
Rig Veda 10.85.1-10
Surya’s Bridal.
1. TRUTH is the base that bears the earth; by Surya are the heavens sustained.
By Law the Adityas stand secure, and Soma holds his place in heaven.
2 By Soma are the Adityas strong, by Soma mighty is the earth.
Thus Soma in the midst of all these constellations hath his place.
3 One thinks, when they have brayed the plant, that he hath drunk the Soma’s juice;
Of him whom Brahmans truly know as Soma no one ever tastes.
4 Soma, secured by sheltering rules, guarded by hymns in Brhati,
Thou standest listening to the stones none tastes of thee who dwells on earth.
5 When they begin to drink thee then, O God, thou swellest out again.
Vayu is Soma’s guardian God. The Moon is that which shapes the years.
6 Raibhi was her dear bridal friend, and Narasamsi led her home.
Lovely was Surya’s robe: she came to that which Gatha had adorned.
7 Thought was the pillow of her couch, sight was the unguent for her eyes:
Her treasury was earth and heaven..when Surya went unto her Lord.
8 Hymns were the cross-bars of the pole, Kurira-metre decked the car:
The bridesmen were the Asvin Pair Agni was leader of the train.
9 Soma was he who wooed the maid: the groomsmen were both Asvins, when
The Sun-God Savitar bestowed his willing Surya on her Lord.
10 Her spirit was the bridal car; the covering thereof was heaven:
Bright were both Steers that drew it when Surya approached her husband’s, home.

Can Agniveer please tell whose marriage was this.
Liar will…

-Jyotish
Look even if we consider Agniveers translation to be true then the verse is still wrong. Although the Chapter which Sister said talks about Suryas bridal, agniveer was trying to make it scientific. Even if verse be taken metaphorically to fit science in it, it still faces blunders.

1 . Verse starts as
“Moon decided to marry. Day and Night attended its wedding. And sun gifted his daughter “Sun ray” to Moon.”

Now Moon is deciding to Marry suns daughter ray(singular) which is problematic since billions of Rays in this way Marry moon. Not even Moon but Sun, earth and even us.

2. Since daughter ray is marrying moon, it should remain with it’s Husband Sun Forever and it should not get reflected (in other word’s leaving it’s Husband )

I couldn’t understand how it could mean what Agniveer is trying this passage to look as.

And the problem with verse is that “Day and Night is attending wedding” which is impossible in this context as verse starts WITH MOON DECIDED”
After decision or while decision Day and Night is attending wedding???
And what has Night and day to do with reflection of light by moon.
Maybe it can be related at a push with night but not with day.

This verse will become if taken in that context.
If you are not able to see the Problem.
Verse is taking about Moon marrying Sun ray. So did marriage happened??? How much time does it take for marriage – is it then a good comparisons??
And by the way why only 1 daughter is marrying what about other’s.

If you say this is scientific then maybe for you but sorry I couldn’t understand it then.

Sister Aiza,

IS what you quoted from Rik samhita or some brahmana part? I don’t understand what you wrote. Better you write the sanskrit verse and clearly explain what you meant. What are you trying to prove here?

If you read bhagavatam there are many modern scientific theories. For example Bhagavatam speaks of time travel and time diation which eienstein has not only proposed but he proved scientifically with equation. Time is slow near blackhole. Time is fast in space than earth. time is slow while travelling at speed near to light. This is experimentally verifiabe. time dilation equation is T0/ root of 1- v square by c square… Bhagavatam exactly say so. in Brahma loka and in heaven time is slow. So a man travelling to Brahma’s world and coming back will still be young but people (of his same age before leaving) in earth will be old.

However we Hindus do not look for science in religious books. Religion is to attain salvation; not to make our materialistic life easy. Even if religion speaks of science, the problem is it is not quantifiable . As i said earlier science is not hypotheisis. It is measurable and is applicable.

Not just muslims but west also criticise Hinduism (absolute monism)as polytheism. Hindu religion , our Gods, Godesses, books ,idol worhip, after life concepts were criticised before. But still 80% of Indians are still Hindus. Why do you know? Majority of Hindus does not beleive in each and every lines written in Vedas, Smritis and puranas and still are Hindus Why??

Because we see result while worshipping in old and traditional temples of north and majority of temples of south. Our prayers are answered. We seek peace ofmind in our scriptures and rituals and we are getting. Also we respect all western scientists and give due respect to science. Because of education today India has progressed and can repel islamist attack.Now Pak wants to improve relations with India. What will India gain???

-Jyotish Vijay
That’s totally a wrong answer. God can’t give a wrong Parable. Now many Hindus have told me that it’s you who are taking it that way but the biggest Problems here is clearly evident if it’s scientific i.e Singular ray have to be interpreted as multiple.
And Wife doesn’t remain with Husband, these are basic part’s that will come to one’s mind. Sorry to say it can’t mean what Agniveer is showing it to be.

-Hindu
Just because Hindus are rejecting Practices of Hinduism and mostly Hinduism itself doesn’t make Hinduism superior.

And what do you mean by your calls aren’t answered. It’s your calls man who may not be getting answered.

Islam is most targetted religion.
Christianity attacks it
Answering Islam is the biggest Anti Islamic site in world.
Arya Samaj of Hinduism, I mean every scholar from them ha written a book against Islam. I think it’s important for them to cruticize Islam. Satyart Prakash chapter 14 by there head is also dedicated to us. Joke is he in some parts of Qur’an proved himself to be a hypocrite. It will not be discussed here.

Likewise Jews and other’s Atheists even still Muslim’s are increasing. We are at number1 in number of converts even after so much of criticism. A religion like Hinduism would have disappeared in such conditions. Those who know Islam have accepted it.

Your prayers are answered since Hinduism is dying.
I don’t know what did you meant by that India is a land of miseries.

1 dinar = 217 Indian rupees
There are dozens of Muslim countries having economy more than America.

However richness is not preferred as Qur’an talks about it. In what way are your prayers answered. If you say you are respected, sorry to say Hindus are considered as “Pagans” by non ABHRAHAMIC Faits that constitute 60% of world population.

In what way,
In the way that ishwars word is called as interpolated or rejected. How can ishwars law be rejected.
Actually it can be as he…

@jazib bhat and others who think hinduism has no place in this world, lets hear a proffessor of hindu dharma.
Klaus L. Klostermaier, former director of Oxford Centre of Hindu Studies, said : “ Hinduism has proven much more open than any other religion to new ideas, scientific thought, and social experimentation” & “ It would not be surprising to find Hinduism the dominant religion of the twenty-first century.”

to know moreof hinduism refer to diana l eck’s books on hindu dhama, and watch videos by prof. nick sutton.

-Saroj
What’s all this stuff
You have Quoted thing’s like A judge in Indonesia converted to Hinduism, a writer namely this converted to Hinduism.
What’s all this, Every religion has converts. These are a few People when I said People convert to Islam that is in Lakhs. We don’t even know exactly the number because everyday people embrace Islam.
Our scholars AR preaching world wide.

Agniveer has a good news

Peace TV Chinese has started (Mandrain)
Having Chinese Muslim scholars whose number is more than total number of scholars in Arya Samaj. Go and check the net

Zakir Naik travelled to Japan from 1-6 November 2015
And South Korea 8-15 November 2015 recently and again many people converted Islam.
There are 1000s of Muslim group’s bigger than Agniveer’s worldwide.

2. Peace TV is number 1 most watched religious channel in world. God TV of Christians and Jehovah witness is after that.

3. Islam isn’t based on Zakir Naiks interpretation but Hinduism is

Arya samaj – idol worship is wrong.
Agniveer – it’s not.

Arya samaj – vedas is 1st book in rank
Hare Krishna – it’s bhagwat Gita

I can show 100s that’s Hindus follow a particular interpretation of a particular scholar.

And What do you mean by Hinduism is paganic is been put to our mind and all that.

Pagan by definition refer to Non-Abrahamic at first place. It seems you are unaware of all this. The definition only excludes Muslim’s, Jews and Christians.

Qur’an 003:067 (Sarwar)
Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian. He was an upright person who had submitted himself to the will of God. Abraham was not a pagan.

-Saroj
Now this is a straw man’s attack. I didn’t said that Hinduism would vanish in general but if it would had been in place of Islam. Neither did I neglected your last sentence. My point was many Hindus are leaving Hinduism, a number much bigger than your Converts.

Now neither would I say that they left after learning vedas nor would I say that they didn’t knew it and saw some points which Hinduism actually opposes and left .
I just told the number is bigger than the Converts.

Do you think I don’t know any of Hindu converts. Mahendra Arya pal is one which we know But again I said the number of people leaving is much bigger.

Then you said that Hinduism too can have a rank. Well it already does have, it’s in the top religion’s of world but that wasn’t related to topic, we were taking about some other thing.

The thing’s I said like Arya samaj says this is Wright and other’s claim otherwise wasn’t addressed sensibly.

You said it’s their interpretation. Well they say it’s your interpretation. What then?

They also support their claims by Quoting mantras.

They say vedas is at rank 1
You guys say bhagwat Gita. Again they Quote evidences for it. This is a big issue here because you seem to be struggling with each other on basic things.

Now by saying they are wrong is not an answer. You have to prove it.

Even when we dwell in Bhagwat Gita the Character like shri Krishna is not even mentioned in vedas. I couldn’t understand the reason or SHRI Ram is not there. however Ganpati, Shiva and other’s are.

So, Quote REFRENCES to support your answer.

@Jazib:

“And Wife doesn’t remain with Husband”

Now what stupidity is this? If the aboe verse is just an allegory to moon having reflected light……then whether the wife stays with the husband or do not stay with the husband….these doesn’t alter the allegory

-Jyotish Vijay
Are you out of your Mind.
It doesn’t matter whether a woman stays with Husband or not?? ??
What do you mean by such statement. Is this what Vedas teach. This verse is no way scientific as “Sun Ray” which although isn’t present in sanskrit text of this verse is in singular and it has to remain with her husband. You didn’t properly addressed the problem. This verse become unscientific according to Agniveer’s interpretation.

Further, he makes claims which are clear lies.

For example

AGNIVEER:
Rig Veda 1.119.10
“With the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for efficient military operations but should be used with caution.”

Response : This is Clear Deception. Any logical thinker should catch him here. How can he talk about electricity In 6000B.C. He has translated this verse to fit his selfish motives.

Ashvins as bipolar forces
Are you serious! There are hymns in vedas about Ashvins. This verse is about warfare actually. Analyse Agniveer’s last line’s of translation MILITARY OPERATION, USED WITH CAUTION. Agniveer has digged his grave by doing this blunder. Now can he show authentic record’s showing electricity was used in 6000B.C in India as the verse suggests.

Plus THIS VERSE IS ABOUT INDRA

Rig veda 1:119:9-10
9 To you in praise of sweetness sang the honey-bee: Ausija calleth you in Soma’s rapturous joy.
Ye drew unto yourselves the spirit of Dadhyac, and then the horse’s head uttered his words to you.
10 A horse did ye provide for Pedu, excellent, white, O ye Asvins, conqueror of combatants,
Invincible in war by arrows, seeking heaven worthy of fame, like Indra, vanquisher of men.

Go and CHECK RIG VEDA (1:118,1:117,1:116) and this hymn also Rig veda 1:119,it’s name is ASHVINS. Many hymns in vedas have same name.

Go and check corpus word by word through any Lexicoln of Sanskrit and se your liar.

Please increase your awareness. Watch this video -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiF_1ge1MI8

Great, brutally true.YOU are heeded. And likes of you, dear Agniveer.