People hate idol-worship for a variety of reasons. Some cults hate idol-worshippers so much that they would refuse to bless even a dead idol-worshipper. They believe that idol-worship is worse than killing and rape.

Let us examine the most dominant ones.

1. God has no idols. Hence idol-worship is a sin

How are you so sure that God has no idols? Did God come and tell you? When, where? Do you have any video recording of the meeting? Or any other proof?

– I am sure you can’t answer above. Because apart from mental asylums, there are no other places in world where you would find people who have met God.

– Let us assume for a while that you are one of those rare mental cases who met God and verified His “non-idolness”. Did He then make you an Authorized Agent to snatch peace and happiness from lives of those who worship His idols? Can you show the exclusive Authorization Certificate that God gave you?

– Let us now assume further that despite you having never met God nor he sending you the Authorized Agent Certificate by courier, still idol-worship is sin. Then who is forcing you to worship idol? Worship whatever you want. Or don’t worship at all. Who is stopping you? But what right you have to hate others for what they believe?

Hate God if you indeed have to hate. He is to be blamed for not meeting you. Or hate the courier company which did not deliver your Authorization Certificate.

Don’t act like frustrated ’potency doctors’ whose 100% guarantee advertisements add to the filth of dirty walls before railway stations and public toilets of Ghaziabad. And yet fetches them no clients.

Follow whatever you want to. Even advertise whatever you want to. But don’t hate people merely because they don’t hire your potency services.

2. But my Holy Book prohibits idol-worship. It says idol-worshippers are worst of creatures.

This raises many questions that you must answer.

How do you know the book is indeed Holy? Did God come and tell you? Or it was some ‘potency doctor’ of Ghaziabad? Different parts of world have different popular ‘Holy Books’. How do you know yours alone is the right one?

– Did you read the ‘Holy Book’ yourself? Most ‘Holy Books’ are at least a thousand years old. The language is completely different from modern times. So people rely on translations. Who translated the book for you? Was it the ‘potency doctor’ or someone with a sharper mental aptitude? Is there a way for you to verify whether the translation is authentic? And whether the translation is exactly of the authentic Holy Book alone and not something else? Don’t simply accept it on basis of what the ‘potency doctor’ or his clients say.

If there is no clear foolproof easy way for any layman to verify the authenticity of Holy Book or its translation, it only means that God does not give the Holy Book too much of importance. So use it with a pinch of salt. Accept the fact that this is the way God wanted things to be.

– Your ‘potency doctor’ may fool you by claiming that this confusion is because God is testing your loyalty. If he indeed says so, better find a different doctor than risk your potency on such a quack.

Because, if indeed God is intelligent, He will give same test to all, and also define the syllabus of test before conducting the test. Ask your doctor to give a certified instruction-sheet for the test. I bet He will only try to scare you with divine punishments or entice you with luxuries. That is the tried and tested “carrot and stick” formula to control animals. Beware.

Use you head rather than take seriously unverified ‘potency’ claims of quacks. Follow your Holy Book or any book or their translations only to extent or in manner that it supports your own brain development. Or have fun as story books, moral science books, fantasy tales or insight in historical evolution of human intellect or something else. Don’t take it seriously enough to start hating everyone who is not client of your Ghaziabad doctor.

If indeed idol-worshippers are worst of creatures, why did God make them in first place? Why did not God send everyone with entire Holy Book already etched in their brains?

– Is your Holy Book against your own progress? Why majority of intellectuals in world are idol-worshippers? They go to either church or temples and do what is idol-worship as per your book. And yet they are the ones who top in almost every field – science, technology, mathematics, management, economics…you name it. If you are reading your Holy Book, probably it was printed using a technology that was developed by a worshipper of Son of God. If you are using a gun to kill innocents, even that was developed by idol-worshipper. If you happen to be in India, know that almost every top-brain of the country has been either an idol-worshipper or someone who loves them.

Now look at contribution of idol-haters from your community? Don’t give names from history. Past is always beautiful because it is an easy escape that cannot be verified. Lets talk of present. How many top scientists hate idols? How many top technology wizards? How many economists, inventors, doctors, mathematicians, chess players?

Just think if you can. Your hatred against idol-worshippers is stopping you from progress and  ruining your future.

3. You Holy Book also prohibits idol-worship. Why do you do that then?

If you are talking of Hindus, let me put very clear. Hinduism is not a religion based on fear of Hell or fondness of Heaven. It is a celebration of freedom. It encourages each individual to explore and choose his own path. Because eventually, each individual is master of his own destiny.

– Yes there are many books and saints that criticize idol-worship. But none asks to kill those who do idol-worship. They simply put forward their own critique on the subject and offer alternatives. It is all an intellectual discussion to discover the ultimate truth. There is no threat or lure. It all falls under the Hindu respect for freedom of expression.

That is why Kabir, Dayanand, Nanak, Shankaracharya, Madhavacharya, Ramanuja, Vivekanand etc are all within the Hindu universe despite their difference in viewpoints.

– More importantly, no Hindu worships idol in the way morons believe them to worship. They merely use idols as means for a higher goal. When they pray even in front of idol, they close their eyes and look inwards. The Hindu God lies within each individual. Ultimate goal is to be completely at bliss with the divinity within. Different people adopt different ways to pull their thoughts inwards. To create idols is one of them.

– Vedas form primary source of Hinduism. They neither prohibit nor recommend specific rituals to please God. They discuss the concepts alone and leave it to individual to discover the truth through his own efforts. There is no force, fear, threat, lure here.

You are free to either go to temples, pray through idols, or meditate on formless God, or be atheist. You can recommend your own best practices and strongly oppose prevalent ways of society. There is complete freedom. Nothing is mandatory. Everything is a recommendation. That is why Hinduism is most rational and reasonable way of life.

There is no burqa, no restriction on how you dress, how you pray, what you study, whom you marry. You celebrate freedom and be responsible for society.

But there is a big irony. Answer that first:

On one hand you say your book is right and mine is wrong. On other hand you quote my book to prove that your way is right. Why this double standard? Either accept that my books is right. In that case follow it. Else don’t quote it.

If you quote my books to justify why I must be hated and I must go to Hell, it demonstrates that the potency doctor’s medicine has had serious impact on your brain.

4. Idol-worship caused downfall of India. Hence it must be rejected.

– Downfall of India happened because of several reasons. Here are top 3:

No 3. Dominance of caste-system based on birth.

But due to core liberal nature of Hinduism, reformers like Dayanand, Jyotirba Phule etc emerged to weed it out.

No 2. Rise of superstitions

which was again eradicated by spiritual reformers.

But the most important reason was following:

NUMBER 1. Unpreparedness against barbaric tribals of Central and West Asia.

Indians had not imagined that people could be so barbaric as the likes of Ghazni, Ghori, Akbar, Aurangzeb, Qasim and Khilji. In India, even wars had basic rules of ethics. Even today, Indians are unable to imagine that rascals like ISIS, Al Qaeda actually exist. They read in newspapers and see in TV. But cannot feel the same. Hence they remained unprepared.

But the moment a Rana Pratap or a Shivaji or a Guru Gobind felt the extent of their barbarism, they destroyed the roots of iconoclastic fundamentalism with slogans of Har Har Mahadev, Jai Bhawani, Jo Bole So Nihaal. When British came, slogan of Vande Mataram played its role. The might of idol-worshipping heroes ripped apart the idol-breakers so forcefully that the last Mughal emperors were just pensioners of Marathas caged inside Red Fort. Today the descendants of “Great Mughals” are reduced to beggars in slums of Kolkata.

The proud heritage of India was preserved by the very idol-worshippers whom you hate. And even today, look at the community of idol-worshippers and those who consider idol-worshippers as sinner. Find out what percentage of their population is among top brains in each group? Again, avoid looking into history because history is always golden. Come to present.

How many idol-haters among brave soldiers who fight on border willing to sacrifice their heads to protect all of us inside the country? How many idol-haters among scientists, engineers, technocrats, researchers? There is representation from all communities in progress of modern India. But a common trait among all who contributed to this progress is that they have no hatred for idol-worshippers. In fact they encourage and even themselves worship like idol-worshippers. The great Hawaldar Abdul Hamid sent to Hell tanks after tanks of idol-haters. Martyr Ashfaqullah would say Ram Ram even when unconscious.

I shudder to imagine what will happen if idol-worship is eradicated from modern India. We will lose our colors, variety, richness. We will lose centers that preserve spiritualism and direct our emotions to higher cause. We will lose social ways of uniting and canvassing against forces of terror. Temples have served and continue to serve a critical role for the society – right from preservation of Vedic heritage to charitable activities.

Yes, the form must evolve. Given the current threats of terror, our temples must become agents for destruction of hatred. They must become institutions of social equality. We must bring out Hanuman, Durga, Ram and Krishna from temples into our own actions. And fight terror till its complete annihilation. We must use every festival, every social ritual, every puja to remind and prepare ourselves for the call of the time.

An appeal to Indian Muslims

The bonds of culture are stronger than bonds of religion. You are Muslims. But you are Indians first. You are so different from the Muslims of Arab. In fact they hate you for this and refuse to even consider you as true Muslims. They refuse to make you Ulema in any center of importance for entire Muslim world. They will not even make you citizens of their country. They will not marry their daughters to you despite all the hype about equality in Islamic world.

ISIS talks loud about Islamic Caliphate. But an Indian recruit was given task to cleaning toilet. If you even mention that Indian must be Caliphate, they will kill you. Such are the mad ways of those who go to quacks for potency treatment.

But you must be proud of your unique gift of being Indian. Irrespective of your religion, you also carry the heritage of Ram, Krishna, Pratap and Shivaji. So don’t fall in trap of hating Hindus as idol-worshippers. Unite with majority population. Be one with them. Take part in their festivals and worships. Don’t be fooled by what few witchdoctors want you to believe in.

If idol-worship was such a sin, and your way was best, then idol-worshippers would have been in misery and you would have been most affluent in India. But opposite is true. Which means that you made a big blunder by hating idol-worship and idol-worshippers.

Follow whatever you want to. But throw away any book, any witchdoctor, any hint that asks you to hate idol-worship and idol-worshippers. The day you will happily announce that idol-worshippers will sit next to you in Heaven, that day even this life itself will become Heaven for you.

See the world around you. People are killing and giving bad name to Islam. Just condemning them is not enough. You must stand up and openly announce that you refuse to hate idol-worshippers. Stand up and participate in Ganesh Puja and Diwali. Invite Hindus to celebrate Eid with you.

Rise above the form. Follow the essence. The hatred against idol-worship has no basis whatsoever. It only leads you to greater and greater downfall.

We welcome you with open arms. Lets join hands and give a death blow to those who sell terror in name of religion.

– Agniveer (committed to defense of idol-worshippers, Kafirs and disbelievers of world)

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Rishika

Bharat chalisa – Bharat Gaurav Gaan – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxBmdnRjLtE

Rishika
Essence of Vedas – Live in the spirit of the teachings of the Vedas. Learn to discriminate between the permanent and the impermanent. Behold the Self in all beings, in all objects. Names and forms are illusory. Therefore sublate them. Feel that there is nothing but the Self. Share what… Read more »
Rishika
I do not know Idol worship is good or not. But I certainly know that majority of idol worshippers do not know how to define hinduism. And it is not their fault because they have been taught that just mere going to temple is good enough to make them Hindu.… Read more »
Saroj
Its more that merely going to temples, for some people, its about fixing one’s mind effectively on a concept necessary for improvement in life, as that concept is depicted symbolically.As hindus, we do not marginalise, or criticise another person’s perspective,because that perspective of theirs might be more effective for him… Read more »
Saroj
Namasthe. the thing is Hinduism focusses on different aspects an different levels of human mind. Me and you are different in our perspectives. Idol worship is not actually worshippit the idol, the idol is a projection of a symbolism onto a background. God is formless, but God’s aspects/ideals that are… Read more »
Manish Kashyap

Think Rationally – If Idol worship makes a person to worship\love idols, imagine how much love he may contain in his/her heart for the real living beings 🙂

sanatandharmauk
It depends on whom we accept as authorities. If Sripad Adi ShakaraArachrya, Sripad RamanujaAcharya, Sripad MadhvaAcharya, Sripad VallabhAcharya, Sripad Vishnu Swami, Sripad NimbarkaAcharya, Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Srila Jiva Goswami, Sant Tukaram ji Maharaj, all of them accepct the 700 verses of Bhagavad Gita aas authority, all of them accept… Read more »
jyothish vijay
with the so called higher knowledge will only be counterproductive…..now she has fallen more and more into the world of attachment s and mindless obedience BTW….that video is not fake…..the language is Malayalam…….hence I explained In my opinion the girl would have fred much better,……if she had been simply told… Read more »
TheArya
Dear Agniveer and team, Good to see there are some right-minded people here who are criticizing this article in fact agniveer him self accept criticism it is just that there are many people here who are justifying idol worshiping and no its not a sin but this is not relevant… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Arya Worship ishwar by yoga? Why should we worship ishwar at all……..there is no need If worship….why should it be by yoga? It need not……nowhere it says that yoga is the one and only answer Why Hindu;s not educated/ Why should supporters of idol worship be responsible to answer that… Read more »
Krishnarao
Jyo, I know muslims who are knowledgeable about islam and left. One good example is Hassan Radwan. He has a masters in arabic and english. He taught islam to kids. He wrote four children’s books as well. And he used to convert people to the religion. But he realized it… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@ Arya If idol owrship is not relevant for you…..its fine it maybe relevant for others….i don’t care……I am not one of them But temples are not for Pundits……this is not at all correct……..are you living centuries ago………In our current era except for a very few “rich” temples, nowhere else… Read more »
Krishnarao

There is only One God, and his mericle is Yoga!!!!!!!!!

jyothish vijay
@Ravi I don’t speak about logic when talking about the “concept of god”……because by defintion you won’t get there by “logic”……god is incomprehensible But my logic says if god is what we believe he is….then he has the power to be with form, without form at the same time….. I… Read more »
Ravi
Good luck, if you want to give honest try. Another point, GOD does not care if you worship him or not. In such a big universe, even our whole solar system is just a small period (.) so who are we? Human species is so self centered. The best thing… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Ravi One another thing…..Its not difficult for me to imagine that god can be formless…..NEVER…..In fact what I say is god is formless…..and can also have form AT THE SAME TIME It is going to be difficult for you to understand this dual principal….but plz give it a try !… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Ravi, I accept responsibility for only what i said : I did not say god cares if we worship him! Do u mean to say u have some extra knowledge about god that nobody else has ? How can u say that god is formless? Have u seen god? Have… Read more »
Krishnarao
Hi Ravi, I agree with most of your points, but “GOD does not care if you worship him or not”. God does care about everything. God is soooooo vast God, has the ability to do so. Better point is, does God need our worship, NOOOOO. But do we need God,… Read more »
Ravi
Majority of our freedom fighters (over 80%) were aryasamji during our freedom movement. Aryasamaj does not preach anything new than what Vedas say. It asks every hindu to realize the wisdom and truth that is filled in our vedic texts. Our vedas clearly states that God is omnipotent, omnipresent and… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Ravi You were not inclined to the “usual” Hinduism rituals and hence u would find teachings of Arya Samaj better for you…..the same cannot be a generalization Anyway whatever u wrote is true….but with correction and an addition CORRECTION: Nobody said god can be confined to temples ADDITION: God is… Read more »
ravi
Dear friend, You live in a fantasy and mythological world. It will be extremely hard for you to understand that god can’t be formless. Moreover, it is not your mistake. This is how our brain is trained from childhood. If you honestly try, go beyond yourself and particularly human species,… Read more »
ravi
Before this visit, I never came across of any spiritual text or material that could guide me. I visited so many temples in India but none of my temple visits made any sense to me. In fact, no one could explain or answer my questions in any of these temples.… Read more »
Ravi
Continued… I was living in Houston, TX at that time. One day, one of my indian friend invited me to visit his house . He used to live with his parents in Houston. I went there to meet his family. His family was aryasamaji. They invited me to join Sunday… Read more »
jyothish vijay
-realization….and once a person starts on this course…..idols and rituals dissappearing happen as a secondary phenomenon (sort of) I hope u get what I am trying to convey And NO….I don’t think having idols or rituals will act as a block towards “self realization” !!!! They might in fact even… Read more »
Krishnarao

I believe the path of yoga no idols.

Ravi
When I was young, my mother used to take me to temple. However, when I was around 14-15 years old, I completely stopped going to temple. It was the most boring task for me. I came to US when I was around 18 years old. In US, there are lot… Read more »
Rishika
Most of Hindu temples are big industries to exploit the people. They have spread superstitions, created divisions based on casteism and also promoted some acts which are completely against to go to spiritual path. Just be honest and see how many animals are slaughtered for the sake of sacrifice to… Read more »
Ravi
Hi Rishika Ji, I completely agree with you “Hinduism has become a joke because of so many superstitions and stupid rituals”. It is the truth. I was one of Hindu who used to make fun of hinduism because of these stupid rituals. Fortunately, Aryasamaj showed me the light and introduced… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Rishika I believe in the Bhakti path (as one among many paths)…….I believe in the strength of belef and devotion more than the path…….As a generalization, I consider the one’s we call as idol worshipper standing a much higher chance at “self-realization” (moksha) than the “non-idol worshipper”….simply because the majority… Read more »
jyothish vijay
or atleast show them the path towards moksha,,,,,,,I believe this is what Lord Krishna meant in BG………. As for rituals…..why is the qn? Ans: Simple answer is……..it gives happiness…………no big harm done…..Yes I agree some people think the rituals will make god happy Why not correct such people? Ans: These… Read more »
jyothish vijay
they will even put up a fight to protect it…….apprpriate knowledge has to be given only at the appropriate time……Somewhere down the line I believe everybody will have realization of the higher knowledge…….giving them that knowledge before they are ready is not good You may think I am telling nonsense…….but… Read more »
jyothish vijay
They read their Quran and stuck on all anti-human interpretations of quranic verses…..the result is a race of most intolerant religion on this planet My point is having no idols , no rituals etc are not the starting points for a person…..they are not means to an end If u… Read more »
Rishika
Let us accept the truth. Majority of hindu people who go to temple just go to temple to do few rituals. They do not have any knowledge of Hindu scriptures. Infact pujaris in our temples do not have much knowledge except rituals. They do not learn anything about hinduism in… Read more »
Ravi
Temples are pandits shops. Only stupid and dumb people will go there to do idol worship. And majority of these people believe in miracles and therefore become followers of fake babas. I have hardly seen any aryasamji becoming follower of stupid and fake baba like Asharam. Most of the population… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Rishika A person who has reached the highest level of enlightment can see and realise god in everything and without the help of anything (ie idols)…..for him, he does not require idols….thats all There is no logic whatsoever for a person who is standing much much beloe this level to… Read more »
Rishika
Jyothish, What is the reason that in spite of our invaluable texts like Darshan, Nyaya Sutra, Vaisheshik Darshan, Sankhya Darshan, Vedanta, Upanishads, Ramayan, Gita not studied by majority of hindu people. It is real shame that majority of hindu people are completely ignorant of their culture and have no clue… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Rishika People doing idol worship doesn’t claim to follow the lives of the characters behind the idols. so your qn has no relevance. The point is “not doing idol worship” is not an end to anything….per se it achieves nothing. Personalities like swami RamaKrishna Paramahamsa, Buddha etc may have lived… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Rishika No idol worship is not the starting point……its the end point……u become unattached……realise god and in the end the idols disappear……..it doesn’t work the other way…….like these other people here maintain Do I really believe…..what is say? Ans: I don’t know….but it seems logical……its in agreement with the scriptures… Read more »
Rishika

Our ancient books, vedas, upanishads teach us to follow the right path. Let us go back to our Vedas and recognize principles and practices that would lead any individual to become a better human being and understand and live in harmony with dharma.

Rishika
Whenever I have visited any Hindu temple, I have only seen rituals and sometimes most of the rituals do not make any sense e.g tulsi vivah etc. Is there anything to learn from those rituals. Therefore, majority of hindus do not even know how to define hinduism. What is the… Read more »
Rishika
Now, I would like to make a comment on those people who are in favor of idol worship and says that we are actually not worshipping any idols, rather we are visualizing the power of that image in idol form. I can understand this point. I do not have any… Read more »
Rishika

Correction here:

If it would have been true, there would have been very few crimes or no crimes at least in hindu society who is predominantly idol worshippers and go to temple and do all rituals.

Rishika
Just do a very simple task whenever your mind is calm and you really want to search GOD. Just a very simple visualization will give you good answer to you if you will use clean mind to explore the truth. DO a simple journey and visualize how big is our… Read more »
Rishika
Only very very few people who were real truth seeker like Buddha, Swami Dayanand, Swami Vivekanand, Aurobindo Ghosh etc. remained unattached with the environment and could provide a new dimension to the society. Now if we really want to find the truth, we really need to clean our mind with… Read more »
Rishika
Dear brothers and sisters I would like to put my two cents here. Hope you will take it with positive attitude. We all are human beings. No one is perfect here. Everyone of us is learning and trying to find the truth. Most of the times, during this process, we… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Rishika Look at this thread….people who seem to be “believing” that they are following the “Vedic” part are the most ignorant and probably the most violent…….this one fellow here ARyaveer threatening Agniveer , someone saying idol worship is a sin and stuff like that……None are unaatached…..if they were so……their blood… Read more »
Rishika
I agree. Most of the people get attached to their beliefs and outrightly rejects other opinions. Even whatever way Vajra has commented, does not show higher level of thinking. However, I do not believe that any one of these people are bad. All of them have the potential to realize… Read more »
AryAryaveer
Sanjeev if you do not respond then we will send group e-mail across Arya Samaj in India and world and let people know you are doing Shirk..Come clear if you go by Rishi Dayanand or you are with Idol worship. Rishi dayanand whole fight was against IDol worship… You are… Read more »
Gyan Surya
AryAryaveer Looks like you can’t find any other place to purge out your frustration. Please go ahead and send emails. This way indirectly you will help spread mission Agniveer. And I am sure any Arya Samaji who understands need of an hour will become Agniveer’s fan after reading Agniveer’s article… Read more »
AryaAryaveer
Hi Sanjeev and Agniveer Team, you have gone against Arya Samaj and we abandon you. You take Rishi Dayanad TEachings and write anything from your side. Idol worship is greatest Sin on this earth and do you know Rishi Dayanad has criticized it fully. Take this thread down else we… Read more »
Amartya
I feel purpose of agniveer in supporting Idol worship is encouraging the transparent and versatile Hindu culture. Worshiping Lord Hanumana or Lord Shiva and emblems is ones expression to bring the great desire of devotee who sees and feels the presence and sings to praises. For Even Arya Samaji also… Read more »
Krishnarao
Don’t get me wrong, did learn a lot from Arya Samaj, and have a lot more to learn from them, but I want to go to pure no idol worship and go straight to the source, which is Yoga. Yoga is the true path to God. There is no need… Read more »
Krishnarao
” For Even Arya Samaji also doing Hawan is Idol worship as we generate fire by input of various important ingredients thus create a form and engage devotedly doing it .” – And that is something I disagree with Arya Samaj on. Yes, Arya Samaj did cut out 99% of… Read more »
Gyan Surya

AryaAryaveer

How do you know Idol worship is “greatest” sin on this earth. Do you mean to say idol worship is greater sin than rapping, killing innocents and being enemy of the nation? Don’t say Yes, otherwise you will be come one of the Jahadis.

Aryaveer
SANJEEV Newar, Rishi dayanand has mentioned this and you and your satyagni.com clearly have criticized, you have articled also proving vedas do not support idol worship. How can you do shirk…Arya Samaj will never forgive you…you know hindus cannot fight bcz of this….we are shocked….Sanjeev Newar,,vashi need to explain this….shall… Read more »
Vedic Fire
Answer is simple, you cannot make money through Arya Samaj. IIT people are very sharp & they know this fact. Thats why they have become “Sanatanis”. Money is in big temples & fake Gurus, where you do pomp & show. Agniveer will definately make India a country of ASARAMs &… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@AryaVeer If u think…..idol worship is a sin greater than rape and murder……its u who becomes a sinner If it was possible…..i would have challenged u to a debate…..but since I cannot…I ask u this Mention one place in Vedas where it is mentioned that “idol worship is a sin”… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@AryaVeer How can u go against the teachings of Vedas……and proclaim idol worship a sin…..and Agniveer here has clearly mentioned that Hindu’s don’t do idol worship in the way u think they do….its only your utter ignorance which u think wrongly Come back to Vedas and leave your stupid prejudices…..If… Read more »
Krishnarao

True, idol worship is clearly against Arya Samaj and the Vedas and Yoga. Let us follow the path of God, Yoga, which is against idol worship and askes us to follow the science of Dharam.

TheArya
@jyothish vijay you misunderstood me i am not casteist or whatever i don’t know why you keep calling me that my point was on idol worship i may have over reacted on op but not saying its a sin or anything its just not relevant in our society anymore ….… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@ ARYA I thought u were a casteist b/c you sided one of the Brahmans who “boasts” of having studied the Vedas and wants people to worship formless god and come to them for advices and stuff Earlier there was the priest class…the ones doing puja in temples….now they have… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Arya If u reply mildly….so will we…..If u want to know why Agniveer went “soft” on idol worship….read the article again specifically point no: 3 ie “You Holy Book also prohibits idol-worship. Why do you do that then?” Different people have different points to quote in support of idol worship…..for… Read more »
TheArya
@Vajra Well you are a big “ga*du” your comments proves that you are right-wing jihaadi and people like you are making this country saudi…i still won’t call your mother a prostitute but you are a low life swine. This was Āryāvarta followers of Vedas nature worshiper …land of legendary historical… Read more »
aman dev joshi
every living creature on this earth is a an idol worshipper yet majority of them deny. we worship a man as an ideal first and then transform it to idol unknowingly. lovers worship their beloved,keep their photos in pockets,phones and in hearts. they love them for their physical beauty.,we love… Read more »
Chetan

Let Vivekananda and Chanakya have last word on this debate. Vivekananda’s opinion on this topic is best found in paragraph 2 to 4 in the link http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_2/Bhakti_or_Devotion
This is not different from Chanakya Neeti’s ‘PRATIMA SVALPABUDDHINAM SARVATRA SAMADARSINAAM’.

Amartya
Idol worship is a wonderful expression of love adorabl effort of a bahtk to the divine supreme. Our love and devotion needs a expression through physical presence in day to day life. Air is inhaled though invisible but nostrils and heart beat proves it’s presence! As we keep memories of… Read more »
Arya
Sorry to say but Agniveer you sold out…………. now this site is another hindu apologist site. Only a dumb person will do idol worship they waste so much money in this idols this is all Brahmanism india will be never be clean if they keep doing this things…i am so… Read more »
Vajra

@Fake Arya

—-Only a dumb person will do idol worship—–

And only someone belonging to the family of prostitutes would call others dumb for their harmless beliefs. Dont promote your family business- prostitution here. Do it elsewhere.

Arya
@Vajra “belonging to the family of prostitutes would call others dumb for their harmless beliefs. Dont promote your family business- prostitution here” wow that shows your cheap mentality who can’t face criticism. a person who calls himself Vajra uses Vishnu as Dp tags others mother as prostitute your making your… Read more »
jyothish vijay
Your attempts at no idols is just an attempt to bring back the rule of the priest class……and it is you who would shame greats like SDS Swami DS in his limited knowledge may have been against idol worshipper……but he would never support a casteist like you…..he would have never… Read more »
jyothish vijay
Thats a very childish argument…..I kepp Brahmanism alive by idol worship FYI….I am not an isol worship (for some very personal reasons) But I will not be one of those fools who blindly try to discredit idol worship. It seem u don’t even know what a Brahmin is….a Brahmin is… Read more »
Vajra

@Fake Arya, So you can call my mother, grand mother and thousands of mothers, my heroes- Rana Pratap, ShivaJi etc dumb and I cant call mother of a pig as prostitute?

Ankur
the best part is the debate is going the wrong direction. idol worship should neither be endorsed nor decried. All cannot fathom the nirakar brahma and they can related through an idol, it would be self infliction if we call them stupid rather than proving more info/knowledge and let all… Read more »
jyothish vijay
@Arya Look at you…..only a medievalistic mindset will talk like you India has no place for people like you who say things like these spreading only hatred Your attempts at spreading Brahmanism and casteism wont work here Doesn’t have anything more to say to people like you who don’t know… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
God has been rightly described as ‘Anupam’ & ‘Avyakt’. ‘Anupam’ means unparalleled – which can not be compared with any thing. ‘Ayakta’ means: (i) Non-manifested – God is not an effect of combination of elementary parts, He doesn’t transform, and (ii) Invisible – being devoid of any form. This however… Read more »
Arunesh
@Bhavesh: Is Moon (Chandra) Nirakaar to a Blind person? If no, then how can you explain the Features of Moon to that blind man and why he should believe you? If yes, then what is “Saakar” then? Our understanding of Vedas seems to be of very elementary level, we need… Read more »
Vajra
1.When God cant b compared w/ anything, ban all books describing God as Surya ke saman tejasvi, Raja ke saman nyaykari, Mata ke saman sukhdayak. Stop this Pakhand first. Ready 2 ban Satyarth Prakash? 2.As per SDS, Eeshvar ka naam Agni ke samaan tejasvi hone se Agni hai. Fight him… Read more »
Parkunan
Hi Anjali, I’m more inclined toward your opinion and logically agree to others’ views as well. GOD is beyond the mind of ordinary people and Rama Krishna Paramahamsar has shared his experience of GOD through Bakthi and Advaitha path. He has experienced both form and formless GOD. I’m an idol… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
Superstitions of idol worship and incarnation were supported by Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa ji. Result ? He (Paramhansa ji) is regarded / respected by his ‘educated’ followers more than God ! One can visit RK Mission’s institutions and see the way Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa ji is glorified. Maharshi Dayananda wanted to… Read more »
Arunesh
@Bhavesh: There is no harm in glorifying any person till it is peaceful and not stopping spiritual advancements. This is our interpretations and inner competing-nature that does not allow to accept it and blaming that person. Can’t you see the number of people progressed spiritually through RKM and are within… Read more »
Krishnarao

Arunesh,

Yes there is. That is how you divide us. That is why our people are disunited. We should follow Yoga, the true path of unity. Not these idols which disunite us.

krishnarao
Arun, So you admit it disunites. So if you know that, what do think lead to the take over of India. Come on man. You need to adapt. When Alexander came to India, he was pushed back when all the kings of India united to fight him. Back then most… Read more »
Krishnarao
Arunesh, Not true. Idol worship in a big way only started in India bout 2,000 years ago. Even the RSS states that. If you do the historical research, you will see that Idol worship was actually introduced in a big to India by the Greeks. Before vast majority of the… Read more »
Arunesh
If you think idols disunite us, let it be. I am fine to be disunited and would not join a band of people who rejects others faiths. It is idolators of India with a deep rooted spirituality that is protecting Dharma from all vidharmis. And they will fight to protect… Read more »
jyothish vijay
That been said; I would still like to believe that bhakti or devotion is an end in itself to attaining moksha….as said in Bhagavad Gita Yes I know, the BG doesn’t clearly clarify on this part….and it could be interpreted either way…….But still, as I said earlier I believe that… Read more »
jyothish vijay
Don’t blame idol worship for our own disunity……Troubles will creep in any society….thats just human nature One school of thought is that bhakti will help in achieving the concentration and focus required of a person to enable him to achieve moksha ……which implies that if u can do yoga ,… Read more »
jyothish vijay
but since BG says that god is formless and with form at the same time….I say that god is sakar and nirakar at the same time Q:”where in BG does it sakar and nirakar at the same time”? Ans:You have got a nerve…..I had asked you multiple times where in… Read more »
jyothish vijay
My point is we musn’t deride followers of a formless god just because the Vedas say that god has form……always remember other scriptures like Bhagavad Gita speaks off a formless god as well……along with god with form ie god is both formless and with form…….agreed its against logic……but god is… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
It is not correct to say that – God is “inconceivable”. Because God is capable of being imagined or grasped mentally and so He is believable. The Vedant-Darshan (=Brahma-sootra) starts with this aphorism: “Athaato Brahm-Jigyaasaa” – which shows that Brahman=God can be understood, grasped, conceived, apprehended, realized, inquired in to,… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja

To say that – “Vedas are not the ultimate scripture” simply exhibits the total ignorance of the Vedas and the supreme position awarded to the Vedas by our great ancient Vedic sages and seers including Maharshi Manu.
Bhavesh Merja

jyothish vijay
I knew u would say that…..one scripture does not have any authoity over other scripture…..its only your ignorance which says so Did anyone has some divine revealation that said so ? Its only our traditions that told so….but in our traditions, doesn’t Bhagavad Gita have that authoryt…..equal and same ?… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
God has been described in Vedas and Vedic books as ‘Sarva-vyaapak’ = Omni-present. For example: Rig 10.82.5, Yajus 17.29, Rig 10.90.3, Chhandogya Up.3.14.3, Shatpath Br. 10.6.3.2, Yajus 32.8, Mundak Up. 1.1.6, Sweta. Up. 1.6, etc, etc. Omni-present means present every where = infinite. Now, simple reasoning is to be applied:… Read more »
jyothish vijay
Regarding the qn of omniprescence my answer is GOD could……meaning if an entity called GOD does exist……it could exist in the form of a human being…..if it cannot whats the purpose of being all powerful? Why do u have a problem with that? In BG lord Krishna is mentioned to… Read more »
Vajra

@Bhavesh, cont..

Until then, pls dont show your Pakhandi face to us.

Vajra
@Bhavesh, God has been described as ‘Anupam’ & ‘Avyakt’ in Aarsh Granthas. Which means She can have no names/adjectives. Also She can’t be talked about in words etc. So the very first thing you must do, if you are Vedic, is stop using even a single word on/about God. Forget… Read more »
jyothish vijay
People are of limited knowledge…hence one should interpret various scriptrues and accept others statements only if they go hand in hand with scriptural knowledge We must reject interpretations that is totally in contradictions with divine scriptures The Vedas say that “GOD HAS FORM viz: tannum svam,… brahmano rupe,….agne tannuh asi… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
I would like to know in which chapter and in which shlok of Bhagawat Geeta it is mentioned that – “god has a nirakar and sakar nature at the same time”. It should be exactly conveying the same meaning what has been given in the above English statement in inverted… Read more »
Anjali
If God wanted all devotees to worship her/ him only in non idol form then s/he wouldn’t have blessed idol worshipper or simply have fired all idol worshippers out of this world.But still idol worshippers are surviving and blessed by God and some of them gaining divine knowledge like Vivekanand… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
Individual soul (aatmaa) is a FREE doer. God doesn’t compel or force any soul to act. That is why there are even so many atheists who negate the very existence of God ! There were no doubt so many excellent qualities in great – famous persons who were idol worshippers,… Read more »
jyothish vijay
Same argument goes for formless god worshippers……evebthough Vedas say god has form……some people wrongly interpret Vedas and say god is some sort of vacuum thereby in a way insulting god……but god is not some cheapskate to punish someone based on their belief pattern Its only theor action and their devotion… Read more »
Anjali
@Bhavesh Merja Sri Agniveer ji has said that this world is ‘world inc’ and God is CEO of this world inc.So suppose if there is a company and CEO of that company want all his / her employees to contact her/ him only through email and make an order that… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
A faithful and sincere employee will always love to obey CEO’s instruction, if CEO is righteous & just. God, being all-knowing, Omnipotent, merciful and just, it is always good for us to follow His commandments. Worldly CEO is a human being with all sorts of human limitations & weaknesses, but… Read more »
Anjali
Look brother even I am also not a idol worshipper.But I don’t see idol worshipping as inferior thing or sin .What is right way of worshipping God and what’ s not who are we to decide this .It should be everyone’s personal choice depending on their capabilities and comfort.Only feeling… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja

Thank you sister for your response.

Anjali
@Bhavesh Merja Sri Agniveer has said that this world is ‘world inc’ and God is CEO of this world inc.So suppose if there is a company and CEO of that company want all his / her employees to contact her/ him only through email and make an order that s/… Read more »
Parkunan
God has form and formless as result of our thoughts. What you think that you become. Can someone prove he has form or formless? All depend on what you think. Rather than criticizing others’ belief system challenge yourself to experience the GOD by yourselves. GOD accept your love to him.… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
If it be said that – “all depend on what you think”, then why a person moves to a safer side seeing a truck coming towards him/her? If he/she THINKS at that time that – “I don’t think any truck is coming, I don’t acknowledge the very existence of any… Read more »
jyothish vijay
about his form…..which is impossible for us humans to understand anyway !!! Well as long as you are not trying to deliberately insult god…..it should be OK !! If my concpet of god is correct…..he wouldn’t care even if u deliberately twisted god concept…..he should be above such emotions So… Read more »
jyothish vijay
First of all its not “proved” according to Vedas that god is formles..Vedas say god has form…….vverses quoted earlier (and BTW akayam means god is not the body…..meaning he is much more than whats visible to the eye….but yet “tannum svam”….god has form) Secondly…..gods true nature is inconcievable…..if thats true…..whether… Read more »
jyothish vijay
Thank u sir…I finally see some very mature voices here….actually I am not a propenderant of either formless or god with form…I believe each person’s true search of god will result in god being experienced in a particular way….and this will vary from people to people But I have been… Read more »
Chetan
Scriptures are interpreted by scholars differently. For ex., Yajur V 32.3, ‘Na Tasya Pratima’ is interpreted by Tulsi Ram as ‘There is none and nothing like Him’ (God is apratim). Yajur V 40.9 ‘Andham tamah’ is interpreted by Ramanuja as ‘Those who consider God as either unmanifest (asambhuti) only or… Read more »
jyothish vijay
4)PLUS its none other Ved Vyas who has arranged the current day Vedas…..most other scriptures are his work…..why can’t I quote him Then again its as I said…..”I don’t go by face value…I read scriptures …..accept them only if its acceptibel for me….and as of today I had seen no… Read more »
jyothish vijay
2)A scripture per se doesn’t mean anything; be it Veda or BG….one has to read it try to interpret the meanings for himself…..he also should read every available scripture and accept them only if they appeal to your commonsense…and then derive a meaning after getting a wholesome idea 3)Regarding “someone… Read more »
jyothish vijay
essential to derive an interpretation that blends with everything….When u follow literal meanings and do not try to understand whole meaning, you may make yourself able to debate a lot……but of no real benefit. 1)I have read SDS arguments against idol worship…….none are applicable for idol worship….And as he and… Read more »
jyothish vijay
1)I reiterate again….idol worship is not prohibited in Veda…..SDS might INFER so…..but its only an inference……and when u so infer, it amounts to adding your own knowledge into Veda….. 2)Vedas are NOT the supreme authority…..it is one among many,….the saying goes “grantham abhyatha medhavi gyana vigyana tatpara palaladi vadanyarthi tyajeth… Read more »
jyothish vijay
Yes….commonsense is something you also should show….you are just a blind follower of SDS As you yourself said Vedas do not prohibit idol worship……this matter is explained better in BG which clarifies worship of god with form and without form and consider both equal….In fact if someone worships the nirakar… Read more »
jyothish vijay
It is quite possible that swami DS gave his own translations to verses from Vedas giving importance to once that spoke of a nirakar god and giving alternate meaning wherever they speak of a sakar god For me…….there is no contradiction between BG and Veda Its the limited understanding of… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
In the 11th Chapter of Satyarth-Prakash, Swami Dayananda has answered in length the following question, which is frequently raised by the defenders of idol-worship: Question: “If the Vedas do not permit idol-worship, they do not, at the same time, prohibit. And, if they prohibit it, it shows that the existence… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja
Where common sense doesn’t prevail, I think nothing can work. In Yajurveda (40.8), God is described as ‘a-kaayam’ = without any body, and “Sa-paryagaat” = Omani-present. If some one talks of “His body”, should we believe? No, Vedas are the supreme authority. Arya Samaj stands for Vedic teachings. Swami Dayananda… Read more »
jyothish vijay
The verse from Bri.Upanishad talks about Brahman…..that is an uncontestable fact. (if u still think so explain yourself rather than asking me to check) I don’t understand how u can say anythg against god havig form is incorrect..your statement is antiVedic Its only after interaction with you that I find… Read more »
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