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Zakir Naik claims Islam – The ONLY Practical Religion of World!

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We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

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अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

In one of his most acclaimed articles that he narrates verbatim in all Peace TV programs, Dr Zakir Naik answers a very pertinent question – ‘All religions basically teach us to be good human beings. Why then follow only in Islam?’.

In his characteristic style, Zakir Naik announces that “Islam is the most practical religion of world and hence the best and ONLY religion to be accepted by Allah or God.”

He provides an example that Islam not only says that robbery is bad, but also provides a practical method to eliminate robbery. Hence Islam is the best. He conveniently forgets that the following facts:

a. Somalia – the country with highest proportion of Sunni Muslims (the branch of Islam that Zakir Naik follows) in world, produces the largest number of robbers in the world. Somalia’s capital is the most dangerous place on earth as per all surveys and Somalian pirates have earned fame for reasons known to all of us. Somalia is a live example of what practical Islam means.

b. In Global Peace Index, the bottom five countries are those dominated by Islam – Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Sudan and Pakistan.

c. Algeria (again 100% Muslim) is worst offender on human rights as per all surveys. In fact any layman can come up with a clear reverse correlation between proportion of Sunni Muslims and human rights in any country in the world!

Another example he provides is that of Islamic concept of hijab and rules regarding attitude toward women preventing atrocity and rape of women in a practical manner. Again he forgets that:

a. The worst offenders in matters of gender rights are the countries with highest proportion of Muslim population. Afghanistan, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Algeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia – you name the country and check their population profile! (The only Muslim countries which are not culprits of human rights and gender rights violation are those who do not take Islamic Sharia so seriously!)

b. The Islamic requirement of woman needing several live observers of crimes like rape, or to prove that she is not adulterous, makes it impossible for women to get justice.

c. There is no provision of divorce in Muslim countries, and freedom to marry several women and keep others as slave-girls is ordained by Holy Quran.

What more, readers are advised to read the 5 articles on Islam and Women on Satyagni site (under Category ‘Islam’) to know more about practical methods that Islam provides for women emancipation!

On contrary, countries with lowest proportion of conservative Muslim population are among the most peaceful ones. Even in India, the state with least Muslim population proportion is Himachal Pradesh which is the most peaceful and flourishing states. And we all know which states are worst in these matters and what is the population profile of those states. We all would like to know why Sachar Committee report was thrust across our throats if Islam indeed is such a practical religion to provide peace and prosperity to its followers and why the poorest countries of the world are Muslim?

In this article we explore Islamic scriptures to see what the practicality of Islam, that Zakir Naik shouts so much about, actually implies. As we shall see, the true Islam has been hijacked by fanatic forces right after death of Muhammad, and what Muslims follow today is the thoroughly distorted version that actually insults Muhammad. The ruling elite of Islam has kept Muslims ignorant and illiterate deliberately for their selfish reasons. These are also the views of scholars like Hassan Nisar of Pakistan.

Hadiths: Practical Handbooks of Islam

Ahadith or Hadiths or Hadees are known to be the practical handbook of Islam. No person can practice Islam unless he/she is guided with the light of Ahadith. It will not be an exaggeration to say that if Quran is the principle of Islam, Ahadith are implementation of the same. In other words, Quran is incomplete without Ahadith. Hadith and Quran are like two poles, neither of which can exist alone. A muslim can not practice Islam until he takes shelter of Hadith. This is evident from the fact that a Muslim cannot even know how to offer prayers by using Quran alone. This secret is unleashed in Ahadith.

Hadith have no lesser importance than Quran in terms of belief, as all the Islamic institutions clearly recommend hell for those who reject Sahih Hadith, irrespective of their belief in Muhammad, Allah, Satan, hell, heaven, angels, Quran, etc.

It is on basis of Hadiths that Muslims claim Islam to be the most practical religion among all. Even Islamic law or sharia is derived from Hadiths. This article contains quotes from the Sahih Hadiths, which are supposed to provide practical solutions to concerns of mankind. This article hardly contains any of our personal analysis. We quote straight from the scriptures and have left it to readers to judge themselves, whether they see any practicality in Islam or not! We cannot agree more with Zakir Bhai MBBS that to know about a religion look at the scriptures!

Note: We have taken these references of Hadiths directly from established Islamic sources and websites and not from any anti-Islamic site(s). Nor did we find the need to modify the language of these self-explanatory Hadiths. You can search most of these Hadiths yourself from http://www.msawest.net/islam/reference/searchhadith.html for example, or any other Islamic site or get from any seller of Islamic texts.)

1. Innovative rape techniques for Jehadis:

Sahih Muslim: Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Book 008, Number 3373:

Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl (coitus interruptus) with them. We then asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born.

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah’s Apostle about it and he said, “Do you really do that?” repeating the question thrice, “There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.”

Comment: Mohammad says to his followers to verily go ahead and rape the captive infidel women. With such evil, ridiculous teachings in Islam, how can Zakir Naik claim Islam to be practical for women rights and human rights! Or is it practical only for the rapists?

2. Killing those who refuse to accept Islam

Sahih Muslim

Chapter 1 : REGARDING PERMISSION TO MAKE A RAID, WITHOUT AN ULTIMATUM, UPON THE DISBELIEVERS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN INVITED TO ACCEPT ISLAM

Book 19, Number 4292:

Ibn ‘Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi’ inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before meeting them in fight. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi’ said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.

Book 19, Number 4293:

This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ibn ‘Aun and the name of Juwairiya bint al-Harith was mentioned beyond any doubt.

Comment: Thus, if any one of us has ever been invited to accept Islam (as done through Peace TV and websites), now we can be murdered by grace of Allah without any notice! Does Osama Bin Laden need any other justification? And That is why Zakir Naik cannot criticize Osama after all this?

3. Killing Women and Children

SAHIH MUSLIM Chapter 9 : PERMISSIBILITY OF KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THE NIGHT RAIDS

Book 19, Number 4321:

It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.

Book 19, Number 4322:

It is narrated by Sa’b b. Jaththama that he said (to the Holy Prophet): Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of the polytheists during the night raids. He said: They are from them.

Book 19, Number 4323:

Sa’b b. Jaththama has narrated that the Prophet (may peace be upon him) asked: What about the children of polytheists killed by the cavalry during the night raid? He said: They are from them.

Comment: What additional gospel do terrorists need to plant bombs, hijack planes and conduct 26/11 or 9/11!

4. Breast-feeding young men

Sahih Muslim

Chapter 28: SUCKLING OF A YOUNG (BOY) Book 008, Number 3424: ‘ A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man ‘Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn ‘Umar (the words are): Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.

Book 008, Number 3425: ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.

Book 008, Number 3427: Umm Salama said to ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her): A young boy who is at the threshold of puberty comes to you. I, however, do not like that he should come to me, whereupon ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) said: Don’t you see in Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) a model for you? She also said: The wife of Abu Hudhaifa said: Messenger of Allah, Salim comes to me and now he is a (grown-up) person, and there is something that (rankles) in the mind of Abu Hudhaifa about him, whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him (so that he may become your foster-child), and thus he may be able to come to you (freely).

Book 008, Number 3428: Zainab daughter of Abu Salama reported: I heard Umm Salama, the wife of Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon himy, saying to ‘A’isha: By Allah, I do not like to be seen by a young boy who has passed the period of fosterage, whereupon she (‘A’isha) said: Why is it so? Sahla daughter of Suhail came to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah’s Messenger, I swear by Allah that I see in the face of Abu Hudhaifa (the signs of disgust) on account of entering of Salim (in the house), whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She (Sahla bint Suhail) said: He has a heard. But he (again) said: Suckle him, and it would remove what is there (expression of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa. She said: (I did that) and, by Allah, I did not see (any sign of disgust) on the face of Abu Hadhaifa.

Comment: A fatwa has already been issued to allow women to freely mix with men after she breast-feeds them! Can one imagine the limits of insanity one can reach in name of Islamic practicality!

5. Allah permits rape of married women

Sahih Muslim

Chapter 29: IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY). IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE

Book 008, Number 3432: Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i. e. they were lawful for them when their ‘Idda period came to an end).

Book 008, Number 3433: Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) sent a small army. The rest of the hadith is the same except this that he said: Except what your right hands possessout of them are lawful for you; and he did not mention” when their ‘idda period comes to an end”. This hadith has been reported on the authority of AbuSa’id (al-Khudri) (Allah be pleased with him) through another chain of transmitters and the words are: They took captives (women) on the day of Autas who had their husbands. They were afraid (to have sexual intercourse with them) when this verse was revealed:” And women already married except those whom you right hands posses” (iv. 24) Book 008, Number 3434: Qatada reported a hadith like this with the same chain of transmitters.

Comment: And they say Islam protects dignity of women! Would Zakir Naik discuss these verses in his next lecture on Practical Islam!

6. Kill Someone who leaves Islam

Sahih Muslim Book 16, Number 4154:

‘Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up and said : By Him besides Whom there is no god but He, the blood of a Muslim who bears the testimony that there is no god but Allah, and I am His Messenger, may be lawfully shed only in case of three persons: the one who abandons Islam, and deserts the community [Ahmad, one of the narrators, is doubtful whether the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) used the word li’l-jama’ah or al-jama’ah), and the married adulterer, and life for life.

The definition of Islam is given in an earlier hadith:

Book 16, Number 4152:

‘Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying : It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community.

Comment: Poor Muslims! One can only pity on the way they have been trapped to be silent followers of perversion or face death. The situation of women is even worse. (Refer the 5 articles on Women and Islam on Satyagni site)

Hadiths have been tools for stereotypical Mullahs to spread their venom and maintain their control over innocent Muslims. However many progressive Muslims have written against Hadiths and have suggested that unless Islam gets rid of these Hadiths, there can be no ray of hope for Muslims and the world. Prominent among them is Maulana Jeelani Barq whose seminal work “Dual Islam” criticizes Hadiths as plague of Islam. You can read it here.

When Rajpal published Rangeela Rasul, he was murdered as per the above Hadiths and related verses of Quran. But the fact remains that the book was solely based on Hadiths that are considered authoritative by all Maulvis. Interestingly, recently Deoband issued a fatwa that if someone accepts Quran but not Hadiths, he or she is destined to burn in Hell forever!

7. Prophet orders to believe only in him or face Hell

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 13: Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my life is, none of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father and his children.”

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 14: Narrated Anas: The Prophet said “None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind.”

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle was asked, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, “What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, “To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah’s Cause.” The questioner again asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To perform Hajj (Pilgrim age to Mecca) ‘Mubrur, (which is accepted by Allah and is performed with the intention of seeking Allah’s pleasure only and not to show off and without committing a sin and in accordance with the traditions of the Prophet).”

Satyagni appeals to all right-minded Muslims to rise above such madness and generate the courage to outrightly reject all the Hadiths and all those verses of Quran that spread hatred against non-believers and curtail rights of women. We appeal to them to gather courage and reasoning to understand that this step of theirs is necessary to change the future of world, and they have to break the traps of perverted Mullahs like Zakir Naik who use these Hadiths and false verses to promote intolerance.  Here is a sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOog2NmrXgI

If this be the definition of practical Islam, may Ishwar grant us all impracticality so that world is a more peaceful and sensible place for dignified living!

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We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

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Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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      • @Shahid

        Shahid you must be one of his blind fanatic followers, tell me one logical evidence he used to prove anything? All his knowledge concerning Vedas is garbage, he has been badly exposed on this site and Agniveer.com, moreover, even muslims are against him, what have you got to say about that??

        2+2=5, wow, thats the only logic he knows, interesting!!!

        Where is ur Naik nowadays son? Ever since Agniveer.com has spread like rapid fire, Naik is torn to ashes, now nobody has the guts to even say his name in public since everybody has discovered his reality on sites like Agniveer.com, Satyagni.com, and alisina.org.

        So come back with better excuses soon, very soon you will be saying good bye to IRF.

  5. When Muslims’ prophet Muhammad himself was a pervert, murderer, rapist, slave-keeper, and brutal; then their followers are not expected to be any better.

  6. Why the so called peaceful religion is inducing voilence and hatred where ever it is being dominated across the world. Ex: Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangla Desh, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Kashmir etc.

  7. Dear Satyagni, Can you tell that merely a country denotes that Islam is practical or not. Regarding Somalia there is hardly any govt leave alone shariyah .If that the case why India has poorest people eqvt to26 african nations , birth place of vedas, why this country so backward inspite of natural resources, so you’ll blame vedas for that or Hindus as a whole who have the highest population, if vedas could solve problem why so many books came into existence or the follower of vedas were very weak or the vedas itself. sometimes I get surprised by your logic.

    Your concept of all other women other than immediate relatives are considered mother in vedas has no practicality. . As per vedas death punishment for killing cows, that way most of Europeans and Americans will have to face death sentence.

    Can you tell me what is the significance of so many gods in hinduism, their idols etc. Who were Krishna and Ram? Some god ? Then why were they so helpless? Where in vedas Hinduism mentioned to be ones religion/ What about rest of the world? What is the requirement of temples and yagya and burning foolishly things which could be used?

    You have to tell and convince the followers of vedas ,they are not with you at the moment.

    Vedas if at all it was divine it was for that time only there is no practicality for this time. What is so special about cow that death punishment is given.

    Islam clearly mentions There is no compulsion in religion so those who have faith is because of their choice and Almighty in his wisdom has declared punishment of death to deserters.

    • Dear Mr MZS,
      Let me give u an example for practical Islam, take Pakistan, full of Terrorism.
      You were taking about Poverty in India, brother please read the history before ask any question.
      India was the richest country in the world before 1300 Yrs(Invasion of Arab) read the story of Ghajini Mohammed (who Follows Quran) motto is only to robber India.
      We are not poor, but we made poor by Arabs(who are the initiator of war against the world, later which was adopted by Hitler, British etc).
      Even though we are meant to poverty, we never robber any country or people like Somalia, Pakistan etc.
      A survey says most of the Afghanistan people like India, since we are helping them.
      Not only Afghanistan, for many countries India providing free education.
      Also read the history that India never invaded any country.
      Who you are to blame Vedas, Do you read Vedas before? Can you quote any single verse in Vedas against humanity?

    • Rama and Krishna? they are a historical Personalities. If u want to know about their popularity here i provide example (RAMA-dhan,ROME – RAM, Christian(Krishna Yaan) Christ – Krish.
      Please leave the misconception of Multiple God in Hindu.
      AUM Namo Shivaya (SHIVA/ISHWAR)
      AUM Namo Narayana (Perumal,Krishna,Rama)
      AUM Vigneshwaraya Namaha (Ganesh)
      AUM Saravanbhava (Karthick)
      these are all represents AUM/ISHWAR .
      we are not praying multiple Gods.
      Example : We are calling Curd, Cheese etc which are another form of milk. Can u call everything as milk?
      likewise all are derivatives of AUM/ISHWAR (even the Universe is a derivatives of AUM/ISHWAR).
      Then y Islam using 99 names for God? Does it mean Muslims praying 99 Gods?

      They are not helpless, they provided us with wonderful resources(Humanity for all of us).

      Reg Idols : If we are idol worshiper, and it is wrong, y Islam architect their masjid same like our Temple and bow-down to big black stone? Islam is the biggest Idol worshiper.

      • @SDS
        1You can blame whole world for our misdeeds but thats not going to help anyway?
        2 People asked this question of fasting time in polar regions and they were told to follow Madina time.Do u know what time is used in aviation worldwide as time is big problem for them? They have adopted UTC to solve this its called adoption to solve a problem.
        3. Which calendar is used by Hindus? Lunar and they correct it every year.Its not necessary to land on same climatic condition every year.Many a times wx would change to your dislike.
        4. I find everyone of you has obsession to look for idols in Islam on this site,its a psychic disorder.
        5 You didnt mention Ram and Krishna were God or not if not tell this to highest seats of Hinduism to remove their idols and temples as place of worship.
        6. What you will do with the western beef eaters ,you will have to kill them for their deeds and later in second life they will have the chance to do good deeds. Please elaborate.

      • @MZS
        1. You do agree Prophet Muhammad(Perpetual Battle Upon Hagarism) committed misdeeds to the whole world, thanks.
        2. Fasting time: Brother how can you compare fasting time with aviation time? let me post a small article about our Fasting and another article for fasting comparison.
        3. Calendar : We are using Surya siddhanta (the modern astronomy and cosmology comply with it) by using that we create panchanga (a Ritual guide can be applicable for whole world).
        4. A small explanation for Idols comparison. Quran and Toilet tissue paper, both are made of paper, can i use both for toilet purpose? Like wise even though we use stone for idols, we made it as divine. (Also we have a great science in temple architecture and idols).
        5. Ram , Krishna, idols and temple : In Islam, if one pray at home it is 1 Hassana, masjid 27, madina 10000. On what basis they classified(without logic just miscopied from us) like this? Same as like this, as i mentioned earlier, for each and every temple we have specific Divine Plate to generate different vibrations)
        it is like taking medicine for particular problem. I told u earlier, cheese have it own energy, curd have its own energy, but these are derived from Milk. Same like this, Rama and Krishna have their own purpose and potential. If u see it in divine vision, you realize all are same. We are praying one god with different name thats all.
        *Good deed
        ** bad deed
        6. Western beef eaters : Our teachings are simple, one earns 50* and spend 75** later he have to earn 25* to neutralize it. We know beef eaters committing ** , but it is their wish, later they have to pay for it.
        Example : one committed murder, but he escaped from human law, but cannot escape from God.

        unless you earn enough * to attain Salvation your life will continue by several rebirth.

      • Our fasting is to regulate our body and mind based on the changes in solar system.

        We have prescribed fasting food. While we are fasting, we have to adopt many things.

        I can write even a book on our fasting and its purpose.

        Our fasting falls on fixed date and time.

        Our panchanga can give guidance for entire city in the world, which uses nazhigai for Fasting(not position of Sun).

        One day of 24 hours consists of 60 ghatis/Naligai

        One nazhigai is about 24 minutes and it is about 2 1/2 nazhigai for one hour.

        NAZHIGAI = 24 minutes, it is the max wavelength a human mind can travel at any point of time [http://www.kagapujandar.com/Portals/0/Kagapujandar/BookLibrary/What%20is%20Prosperity.doc]
        Example fast:
        Amavasya tithi Vrat
        English Calander: 10-08-2010 (using English calendar just for comparison)
        Our calander: Vikruthi Aadi 25
        51:39 (ghati/nazhi : pala/vinadi).
        This converts to 20 hours and 39 minutes.
        This means in my city upto 20 Hrs 39 mins we have Amavasya tithi.
        It varies to another city. For each and every city we have panchangam, which

        is written by our own Surya siddhanta. By using our Surya siddhanta, Aryabhata
        calculated exact time for the day, exact days for year (refer Aryabhata in wikipedia).
        By using our Surya siddhanta we can calculate the following for each and every city in the world.
        1. The Motions of the Planets
        2. The Places of the Planets
        3. Direction, Place and Time
        4. The Moon and Eclipses
        5. The Sun and Eclipses
        6. The Projection of Eclipses
        7. Planetary Conjunctions
        8. Of the Stars
        9. Risings and Settings
        10. The Moon’s Risings and Settings
        11. Certain Malignant Aspects of the Sun and Moon
        12. Cosmogony, Geography, and Dimensions of the Creation.
        Can u calculate it by using Quran or hadith?

        We have fasting days throughout a year, it have its own specific and purpose.
        One can adopt any particular tithi fasting to regulate his body and mind based on his purpose. (Like doing a specific exercise for specific purpose)
        http://www.panchangam.com/vratha.htm

      • @SDS
        1.Here our misdeeds means misdeeds of Indians..
        2. You haven’t given reply to my observations 4 5 and 6 in fact you r giving third class explanation of divine architecture of temples.Make yourself clear whether you are a veda follower or an idolater. It appears you have joined a wrong group and making a mockery of yourself.

        3. Dont be escapist , please give to the point and relevant answers otherwise there is no point interacting with you.

        Thanks for interacting so far.

      • I agree I was an Idolater. Through which I have attain the basics of Vedas. Now I am fine enough to explore the depth knowledge of Vedas and joined in correct group.

      • @SDS
        OK thats fine, please dont take to ur heart if any sentence is harsh, sorry for that.

        But I need an answer directly, not thru logic or examples, that may convince me, because these are questions of standing and not reasoning..

      • @MZS

        1.Brother its not our obsession but Islamic obsession with Black Stone called Al-Hajaru-l-Aswad in Arabic. I see in ur comments that ur always insist on logic and reasonings. So, brother can u pls tell me the reason for muslims to kiss that stone while performing Hajj,coz Islam is dead against any stone or idol worship. Moreover, muslims claim that it takes away the sin of the kisser, but how can anything else share this attribute with Allah! Isn’t this shirk as per Islam!
        Infact this theory of absorbing sin also has discrepency! When Umar ibn al-Khattab (580-644), the second Caliph, came to kiss the Stone, he said in front of all assembled: “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither harm anyone nor benefit anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] kissing you, I would not have kissed you.”

        2. Ram and Krishna were enlightened souls and our role models. And vedas never tell us to thrust our views on anybody. Everybody is free to follow his/her path. However, this does not alter the truth. On the contrary, in Islam, one is forced to follow a particular path in a very organised fashion and one doesn’t have personal choices!

        3.Who told you that we kill the beef-eaters? Do we do that in India?? We only say that we will try to stop them from doing this ! Just google urself the benefits of cow-milk and urine

      • @SDS
        Intention of mind is most important, wherever, and whatever one does,things were made clear to Muslims as prerequisites and second Caliph only added one more help.

        As per veda one will keep getting rebirths till one gets moksh leave alone believing in one God.And what is the criteria to get moksh? Even single life is a turmoil on this earth what about repeated ones. Anyway to believe in a particular way is ones choice reasoning alone cannot bring all minds at one place.

        If you want to get rid of polytheism there is no point even posting on internet,as per your logic that you are not thrusting anything but dont you think you r waiting helplessly that someone will come to u by chance and get enlightment . If its your duty to write here isnt your job to tell great mass in India atleast thru their so powerful leader that one is free to do idolatry but he cannot be a true human.Do u think idols and temples of Ram Krishna and others deviating the Hindu society from true path? If yes then you should take a stand on this with highest seats of Hinduism and let the people know.Its a faster approach.Or you dont want to take any stand on this.

        I didnt say you kill beef eaters but punishment for killing cow is death.If one is following veda then he should execute this order otherwise he fails to follow veda..

      • @MZS

        As per Quran Cow are created for our food.

        As per Vedas it is for our Milk.

        Let us examine this in brief.

        We all agree that God created the entire living things in this world.

        All the research says Human body designed for purely plant-food diet as like other Herbivores.
        refer
        http://www.earthsave.ca/articles/health/comparative.html
        http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html
        The primates (Gorilla exactly match with our digestive system) which feeds only plant for its food by nature guidance from God.
        In Vedas, God guided us not to eat meat as per his creature.
        But the author of Quran says animals are food for you. Why this discrepancy in God creature and his book.
        Is the revelation of Quran due to changes in previous editions or updating due to advancement of cooking technique of human?
        If God is updating his book due to modern world, will he send another book supports eating dog, cat, lion tiger etc? Where as Chinese found some technique to cook dog and cats.

        Don’t be escapist, please give to the point and relevant answers otherwise there is no point interacting with you

      • @MZS

        1. kindly let us know the intention behind kissing Al-Hajaru-l-Aswad.

        2.Criteria of attaining moksha is the attainment of ultimate bliss wen u r no longer hooked to materialistic things of the world like money, sex et al. Life is indeed a turmoil for those who r hooked to materialistic things due to their short-sightedness. Brother, try the spiritual path for sometime and see the difference! And few prereqisites for this is that u should have compassion for fellow beings, should consider all as equal and not classify them as kafirs and believers etc.

        3.Brother we told you that vedas tell us not to thrust anything on anybody. The only basis is self-realisation.
        Who told u that one can’t be a good human if he/she is indulging in idoltary? Bro, u r mixing this analogy with islam wherein one can’t get heaven if he doesn’t believe in muhammad, angels, crying of stone, breaking of moon etc apart from believing in allah. We have already taken a stand against idol worship of all kinds. Its you who has discovered it now!

        4. Yes, the punishment for killing cow is death, as in all sane society one is supposed to have compassion for fellow beings. Esp. the one which gives us milk and latest research show that cow-urine acts as a cure for cancer. Wouldn’t you like to save these life-savers.

      • 1.So u dont want people to attain moksha quickly otherwise he should not marry.

        2. In order to save the cow you r ready to kill a human being.

      • @MZS

        1. Am still waiting for you to reply to point 1.

        2. Again you are mixing islamic concepts with vedic. As per Vedas,Sex is meant only for reproduction and not for Recreation as in Islam whre one is allowed multiple wives, sex-slaves, concubines etc

        3. Will you classify them as “humans”, those who don’t have compassion for fellow beings. In vedic society one is not expected to kill any living being for food

      • 1. What easy to get is easy to go, as per Islam one should believe Muhammad in a short period of time(in one life as human) and enjoy moksha (Jannah) eternally, where is the balance here?

        2 : It is not killing a human in order to save cow, but killing the inhumanity inside him who kills living being for food.

        Watch this video
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

        also answer my previous post

      • Comparison CHANDRAYAN VRAT vs RAMADAN

        No one can compare amount of divine benefits, Assumed that both have same amount. This is to examine scientific benefits.
        Both fasting duration is 1 month.

        CHANDRAYAN VRAT

        Based on the movement of moon increasing in morsel of food and decreasing in morsel of food to complete fast.
        One can drink water, milk.
        Based on tithi, refer tithi and fast in previous post. (It is based on particular date and time, not the visibility of sun).
        Every year falls on particular season. (February – March).
        Should not have sex
        Should avoid bad habits

        Science: At the end of the CHANDRAYAN VRAT there is a change in season, where Sun gets exalted. So there will be a dramatic change in our digestive system, so we need regulation in our body.
        The movement of moon causes a change in flow of water in earth and human body (Ex: more waves in ocean during full moon). So mouthful food during these days balance the flow.

        Advantages:
        1. Regulates body fat and digestive system as per change in season.
        2. Helps to get rid of bad habits.
        3. Gives rest for sexual organism.
        Disadvantages:
        1. Very very rare case in getting Ulcer.

        RAMADAN

        One should not eat food and drink water when sun is visible.
        Can have sex during night.
        Falls during different seasons.
        Should avoid bad habits.

        Advantages:
        1. Helps to get rid of bad habits.
        Disadvantages:
        1. Unable to follow all over the world, where as there is irregular and no sunset in some part of the world.
        2. Probability is more in getting Ulcer
        3. Probability is more in getting respiratory disease, insomnia, anaemia, dehydration, fatigue when it falls during summer due to less amount of water.
        4. There is no rest for digestive system and sexual organs during night.
        5. Many of outdoor workers suffer a lot (Ex: farmers, sales representatives)

        Only crazy, idiot and stupid will guide
        1. The people to avoid water during daytime of summer.
        2. To Avoid food while sun is visible.

      • islam followers bow in front of the kaaba stone… isnt that an idol.??? an idol need not look like a man everytime… so u people are doing the same but are kind of not agreeing to the same

      • @Puneet

        Namaste brother,

        well said, Kaaba is in fact an idol which exposes the hypocrisy of muslims being non idolators. Idols do not need to be human figured statues, they can be any physical solid object. Look at Shiv Linga for example, and the most common example whom we debate on, the kaaba, a black cube with golden design. This is a self refuting claim for muslims of being non idolators and at the same bowing towards kaaba. They claim they only bow towards Allah and kaaba is only for a direction. Now, every idolator has either the same excuse or similar reason.

        Please read and circulate the article below called Kaba or Idolworship

        http://Satyagni.com/1685/kaba-or-idol-worship/

      • curd cheese is not milk & milk is not curd cheese. they r not the same things in different form but rather things manipulated into different forms wen v apply new things to them

        RAMADAN

        One should not eat food and drink water when sun is visible.
        Can have sex during night.
        Falls during different seasons.
        Should avoid bad habits.

        one shudnt have sex mentally & physically.No sex is allowed while fasting. steer the mind clear of every unclean & evil taught , anger, shdnt insult any1 [non muslims too]. i.e b *perfect* to the best of ability for a half a day & remember Allah.

        plus u talk about sex wid wifer after fasting is bad or at least imply that i dont think sex wid wife after fasting plus any fatihful muslims wont generally think about sex during all ramadan.

        but u on the other hand have a relgious document devoted entirely to illict erotic stuff & even build temples callin it ‘art or love’

        Only crazy, idiot and stupid will guide
        1. The people to avoid water during daytime of summer.
        2. To Avoid food while sun is visible.

        ur understadning of ramadan is vry shallow mate which is y i can understand y u have a hard time trying to understand wat ramadan really is.

        yet ppl feel better wen they avoid water for half a day in the entire month b/c they feel the pain ppl go through wen food & water is hard to gain.plus the imp of food water good toughts is increased as well. U feel its crazy ?? now think about the poor ppl who dont get to drink water for entire day esp in India were clean water is not even avaliable in every part of india. u induldge urselves in superstious beliefs that sun moon planets stars have somtething to do wid ur luck.

        let the heavenly bodies follow ur own path & u follow ur own path b/c all heavenly bodies r simply non living things

      • @younib

        You say -> “one shudnt have sex mentally & physically.No sex is allowed while fasting. steer the mind clear of every unclean & evil taught , anger, shdnt insult any1 [non muslims too]. i.e b *perfect* to the best of ability for a half a day & remember Allah.
        plus u talk about sex wid wifer after fasting is bad or at least imply that i dont think sex wid wife after fasting plus any fatihful muslims wont generally think about sex during all ramadan.

        Now this is what youe sahih hadiths say –

        Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 319:

        Narrated Zainab bint Abi Salama:
        Um-Salama said, “I got my menses while I was lying with the Prophet under a woollen sheet. So I slipped away, took the clothes for menses and put them on. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Have you got your menses?’ I replied, ‘Yes.’ Then he called me and took me with him under the woollen sheet.” Um Salama further said, “The Prophet used to kiss me while he was fasting. The Prophet and I used to take the bath of Janaba from a single pot.”

        While fasting, Muhammad kissed and embraced his wives…(Sahih Bukhari,3.31.149)

        Sahih Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 31, Number 149:

        Narrated ‘Aisha:
        The Prophet used to kiss and embrace (his wives) while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you. Said Jabir, “The person who gets discharge after casting a look (on his wife) should complete his fast.”

        Muhammad used to kiss and suck Aisha’s tongue while they were fasting…(Sunaan Abu Dawud,13.2380)

        Sunaan Abu Dawud: Book 13, Number 2380:
        Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
        The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting

        So, now its proved that your dear Prophet himself disobeyed allah for his sexual romps

        Conclusion: Muhammad Saheb did all this coz’ he empathized with all the people who were devoid of sex during ramazan

      • Not only with the Prophet, hugging your wife, kissing is allowed. Only intercourse is not allowed during fasting. You can have intercourse with your wife after you break fasting in the evening or at have sex at night until next day morning when you start fasting. Don’t try to play with rules the way you want. It is the what Prophet taught us, we need to follow and he is our role model. We follow him, not your thoughts and imagination. The rules are very much clear with what needs to be done and followed and what not. When you are bent on finding some or the other findings, there is never an end to it even if you are given clarification and convincing replies to your negative thoughts. You still pick up some other argument.

      • Lolz….this reply goes into the hall of fame

        It’s this mindset which is a threat to human compassion and progress

        unfortunately there are many @Persons who have lost it completely.

        Fasting before Islam was a pure spiritual practice ..after islam it became a license to have sex …why fast at all if your boner overrides your soul ? 🙁

    • Reg Cow : If there is a second mother for human it is Cow.
      From your childhood, which milk your mother gave to you? donkey milk or dog milk!
      There are many children in this world lost their mother when they born. For those childrens do you provide your own milk? If so then u can kill the Cow never mind.

    • Today every development in the world is due to Ancient hindus to be more specific vedas.

      Numbering system, Geometry, Algebra, Binary System, Cosmology, Ancient Surgery..every thing is in vedas…….

      tell me any good topic in ur quran..?

      • numbering system every culture had its numbering system in pre islamic times including china egypt persia greece rome. & all were primitive or atleast outdated if v use them in today’s age it will b hell. .

        1234556789 …

        u think its english or even indian ???

        its magrebi made by muslimns living in the magreb. which basically never changed & later in the future forced indian & chinese mathemacians to use this system rather their tradiitonal systems.

        modern world is run on the magreb numerical system which was invented by muslims not hindus. concept of sifir is invented by muslims wereas thje concept of ’emptiness’ on which sifir is based was Indian in origin.

        ancient surgery ?? again every ANCIENT culture had its fair share of medical science but they were outdated & primitive. BUT modern surgery & the tools which havent changed much since their invention was invented by muslim scgholar al-Zahrawi

        world’s first university was build by a woman a muslim woman. faitima al fihri

        Market: How influential ideas spread through travel and trade. this idea was was put to practical use by muslims based on which modern eduaction is also based.

        algebra- al khwarzim not veda stuff

        the world can live widout computers t.vs etc but can ppl live widout being clean ??? shampoo soaps bathrooms were all invented by muslims

        chinese made paper money but v muslims invented the system of cheques

        Al-Kindi’s discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

        & there is much much more that came from muslims but I guess to u its all from glorious India.

        now u can say muslims ‘stole’ all these stuff from ur glorious india wen v invaded ur places but all these or most of these scholars were actually persian or central asians in origin who submitted or got their work from baghdad a ARAB city wereas muslims that ruled india were of turkick & afghan in origin,

        so instead of crying appreciate

      • Yes. The idea of stock exchanges, mutual funds, Insurance & even currency swapping was introduced by Islam.
        The bluetooth technology was known to Islam long before vedas. GPS was being used by muslims to locate their respective camels. The logic behind artificial intelligence is quran.
        @ younib WTF dude… you might have been on a powerful drug. The most qualified people of the world including einstein agreed vedas are the inspiration for every innovation. I really really pity your ignorance.

    • Have any follower of Sanatan philosophy killed anyone or anounced death sentence upon any one, who has killed a cow, like death sentence anounced by Mollahs like Khomeni?

      Remember, fruit testify the tree, and common people like us who comprises the most part of the world hole population, should taste the fruit to know the tree. To reveal all the biology of a tree is the role of few briliant botanists, not a common people like you.

      Again remember, great Philosophy can not easily be realised by common people, but it can positively influence their every strata of life.

  8. Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters,
    Please analyze Islam and Quran, if it is God word does he use Lunar month (Calendar) and Sun clock?

    Can you make sure every year you are celebrating your EID on the same date?
    Can you use Sun clock all over the world?

    Even the Prayers and Ramadan cannot be followed all over the world if we follow Quran!!!
    Which is from Sunrise to Sunset, not possible in arctic region and many part of the world have different timing in Sunrise and Sunset)

    Only Illiterate people will give such guidance to this world, not God.

    Other than believing in Prophet Muham-Mad (Perpetual Battle Upon Hagarism), everything in Quran are copied/miscopied from other religions.

    So realize that you are leaving only fake (man made manual) and come out of that.

  10. All the countries names above , who is there now ?? koun ghusa hain hain waha ? US & Isrial… Due to these 2 countries , the obove countries bcom worst…. u talking abt. somalia.. have you gone there ? have u tryed to understand why they are doing so, if they are doing as u says? then you cant comment on them… very simple logic… by reading some else litreture you should not comment…

    • I have been to many countries in middle east and speak arabic and have rread the kkkoran, the death manual. I consider islam as a violent death cult, out to destroy human civilization, now talk.

  11. THE WAY HUMAN POLLUTED THE WRITING OF QURAN

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    THE FIRST original scripts of the Quran were written on small stones, pieces of leather and wood, bones and similar things. All of them were burnt!

    THE SECOND original of the Quran verses were gathered together during the time when Abu Bakr was the Caliph. They were burnt, too!

    THE THIRD original one consisted of “yazmas” (manuscripts) copied during the time when Othman was the Caliph. They do not exist anywhere in the world!

    The investigations and conveyances have shown that the verses in today’s Quran are neither exactly the same as the ones which are claimed to have been “dictated by Muhammad to his scribes”, nor does the present Quran contain “all” of the verses that existed in the original one. Caliph Mervan explains his reasons for burning the original copy as follows;
    “All that was written in the original Quran was conveyed into the “Mushafs” (later copies of the Quran) by Othman, so there was no need for the original one. If it had not been burnt, some suspicions would have arisen and the doubts around the “Mushafs” would not have ceased. I was afraid of that, so I had the original scripts burnt.” (Ref.: ıb Ebi Davud, Leiden 1937, pub., p.243-Suphi e’s-Salih Mebahis Fi ulum-il Kuran).

    HOW WERE VERSES OF THE QURAN GATHERED TOGETHER?

    The verses of the Quran were not gathered together and inscribed as they are printed now. According to hadiths, the verses were not in an order and they were inscribed on different objects such as “lihaf” (small stones), “rıka” (tree leaves, pieces of leather or a kind of paper), “ektaf” (bones of camels or sheep) and “usub” (pieces of wood). FIRST, Caliph Abu Bakr felt the need to gather those objects together so that they would not get lost. All those objects are said to have been scattered in Muhammad’s house and later put together and tied with string so that they would not get lost.

    According to a hadith by Buhari, some Muslims were converting to their old beliefs and for that reason there were fights at that time. Some Muslims who knew the Quran by heart had already died and the number of such people could increase. Before all those who knew the Quran by heart passed away, the verses had to be put together in the form of a book. Omar Ibn Hattab pointed out the importance of the project to Abu Bakr. However, the suggestion did not appeal to the Caliph at first. “How could it be right to do what the Prophet himself had not done?” he thought. Omar insisted on the matter and finally convinced Abu Bakr. Zeyd Ibn Sabit was made responsible to carry out the project. Abu Bakr said to Zeyd, “You are a clever young man. As you used to be one of the scribes of the Prophet, I believe that you can succeed in doing this job. Search for all the verses and gather them together.” Zeyd said, “In the name of Allah I swear that if he had wanted me to move and carry one of those mountains, it would not have been as difficult to me as to do what he told me to do.” Yet, he eventually accepts the job and gives the account of how he did it as follows;
    “I began to collect the verses; some were on date leaves, some on stones. I got some from people who had memorized them. In the end, I got the last verses of the Sura “Repentance” (Al Tawba) from Ebu Huzeymetu’l-Ensari. No-one else had those verses in mind.” Zeyd explains that those were the last verses (128 – 129) of the Sura “Repentance”. This shows that while Zeyd did this job, he depended on two sources; the objects on which the verses were inscribed and the people who had memorized the verses.

    The number of the living people who had the verses in their memories in Abu Bakr’s time was controversial. As can be seen in three of Buhari’s hadiths, there were, at most, only seven people who had memorized all of the verses of the Quran. Even in Muhammad’s time, few people had been able to do that. Here are the hadiths in Buhari’s “e’s-Sahih”.

    The first hadith: Amr Ibnu’l-Ass conveys, “I heard the Prophet say, ‘Get the Quran from four people; Abdullah Ibn Mes’ud, Salim, Muaz and Übeyy Ibn Ka’b. (Buhari, Fadailu’l-Kuran 8.)

    The second hadith: Enes conveys, “When the Prophet passed away, there was no-one other than only four people to have memorized the whole of the Quran; Ebu’d-Derda, Muaz Ibn Cebel, Zeyd Ibn Sabit and Ebu Zeyd.” (Buhari.)

    The third hadith: Katade conveys, “I asked Enes Ibn Malik the number of the people who had memorized the whole Quran and he replied, ‘They are four altogether, all from Medina; Übeyy Ibn Ka’b, Muaz Ibn Cebel, Zeyd Ibn Sabit and Ebu Zeyd (Buhari, same ref., Müslim 24ö5. Hadith.)

    When we make a list of the names in these three hadiths, there must have been seven people to have memorized the whole Quran when Muhammad was alive; Ibn Mesud (hadith 1), Salim (hadith 1), Muaz Ibn Cebel (hadiths 1, 2, 3.)
    Islam experts claim that the explanations in these hadiths serve the anti-Islam. In his work “Al ıtkan”, (Egypt, 1978, v.1, p.94, l. 13) Suyuti gives the names of some others who knew the Quran by heart. However, the person who conveys this information says that some of those completed memorizing the whole of the Quran after the Prophet’s death. (Al ıtkan, 95-9ö.)

    Zeyd Ibn Sabit would include any verses in the Quran on condition that he had two witnesses to confirm the truth. Yet, there were some exceptions to this rule; there were some verses for which he felt the need to include with only one witness. (Remember the last two verses of “Repentance” above.)

    It took a year to gather the verses of the Quran and copy them into a book. When this attempt started, Omar and Zeyd sat at the gate of the mosque and asked everyone to bring whatever verses they got from the Prophet. The task that was achieved is described in references as follows;
    “A book with two covers, which consists of the verses and Suras of the Quran.” The pages were kept by Abu Bakr as long as he lived, then they were passed to Omar (the Caliph) and when he died, they were given to his daughter Hafsa.

    THE VERSES OF THE QURAN ARE GATHERED TOGETHER FOR THE SECOND TIME

    One hadith by Buhari reads; “There was a war to invade Armenia and Azerbaijan. Huzeyfe Ibn’u Yeman came up to Othman the Caliph and complained about the differences between the contents of the copies of the Quran that Muslims were reciting. ‘Commander of the Faithful,’ he said, ‘the Muslims found themselves in controversies as the Jews and Christians previously did.’ On this occasion, Othman sent a man to Hafsa asking her to send the pages which were written during the time of Abu Bakr so that he would make some new copies. ‘When I have finished with them, I’ll send them back,’ he said. Hafsa sent the pages to Othman. He ordered Zeyd Ibn Sabit, Abdullah Ibn Züyebr, Sa’d Ibnu’l-As and Hisham Ibn Haris Ibn Abdurrahman to produce copies of the pages, and they did.

    Othman instructed three of the scribes, ‘Should there be a disagreement on any part between Zeyd (who was from Medina) and you, write that part in Quraysh dialect because the Quran was revealed only in that dialect.’
    And so they did as they were instructed. Finally, Othman, when the task was completed, sent the original pages back to Hafsa and ordered his men to deliver the new copies to each central zone and had all the previous copies burnt so that not even a page would remain from the old volumes. (See Buhari, e’s- Sahih, Kitabu Fedaili’l-Kuran/3.) As can be understood from the efforts that were told to Buhari and from the way of solving the problems that might have arisen between the people of Quraysh and others, the new copies could not be exactly the same as the verses in the one that Hafsa possessed. ON THE ONE HAND, it was claimed that “identical copies of the Quran were made”, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, when asked why it was necessary to make new copies, it was said that it had to be done due to “the differences of dialects”. However, Dr. Suphi e’s-Salih, says in his work called “Mebahis Fi Ulumi’l-Kuran” (Beirut 1979), on pages 80, 84, 85, that this claim is far from being convincing. According Dr. Suphi, AT THAT TIME, Arabic did not have signs and punctuation marks as to spell the same words to be pronounced in different ways. Back then, apart from the letters to write, the letters with no signs had no dots, either. In short, the “Mushaf” that was produced during the time of Caliph Abu Bakr could not have been written as to contain different dialects even if had been intended.

    IN THIS CASE, the question, “What were the differences between Abu Bakr’s (later Hafsa’s) copy and those that were produced by Othman’s scribes?” remains unanswered. What was carried out by the new efforts? This is not explained in the hadith interpreted above. Yet, from an explanation which can be counted as the rest of the hadith, it can be inferred that the work that was done was not merely producing exactly the same copies of main copy of the Quran.

    Zeyd Ibn Sabit, one member of the committee of four scribes, says, “While doing the task, I lost a part from the end of the Sura Ahzab, “The Confederate Tribes”, (‘fakattu’). I had heard the Prophet read that part before. We searched for it and found out that Sabit Ibn Huzeyme el Ensari had it, so we added that part (to the Sura “The Confederate Tribes” as the 23rd verse) in the ‘Mushaf’.” (ıtkan, Egypt, 1978, vol. 1,p.79.)

    THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE BURNING OF THE QURAN THAT WAS GATHERED FOR THE FIRST TIME

    It was Hafsa who kept the Quran in her personal box and prevented it from being burned until her death. When this protector died, although the God of the Quran says, “Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian,” (The Rock/Al-Hijr; 9), there was no protector left. Mervan Ibn Hakem sent for it and had it burned. He explains his reason to do this as follows;
    “I did it because those that were written in it were already conveyed into the official copy (Mushaf) and kept as they were. I was afraid that after a long time passed, sceptic ones would have doubts about the official copy.” (See Dr. Subhi e’s_Salih, Mebahis fi Ulumi’l-Kuran, p.83. Ref: Ibn Ebi Davud, Kitabu’l-Mesahif, p.24.)

    However, it was the destruction of the first copy that actually gave rise to doubts BECAUSE there would have been no need to burn the first copy if there had been no difference between the two. If there had not been some additions to or removals of some verses from it, why should they have been afraid? Today’s Quran is by no means is the same as the Quran in times of Mohammad!

    LET’S REFER TO A VERY IMPORTANT WITNESS HERE; Ibn Omar says, “None of you should say that he has got the whole Quran. You can never know that most of the Quran has been destroyed and gone forever. Therefore you should only say that you have got whatever has remained from it.” (See Suyuti, el ıtkan, 2/32.)

    Doesn’t this testimony clearly reveal that today’s Quran is not the same as the one that was revealed to Mohammad? After all, Ibn Omar said this after the time of Othman. That means the Quran that was gathered together during the time of Othman was not the original Quran, either. That hand-written Quran does not exist anywhere in the world. Several Mushafs that are mentioned in basic references but have not been found so far are also worth mentioning. In “el ıtkan by Suyuti and in some important works of Buhari, some considerable Mushafs and lists of Suras in them are mentioned. For example, the Mushaf owned by Ibn Mesud, who was known to be one of those that were closest to Mohammad and one of the four people to be trusted in terms of memorising the Quran, the Mushaf owned by Übeyy Ibn Ka’b, who was also known to be one of the most trustworthy people in terms of memorising the holy book, the Mushaf owned by Aisha (one of Mohammad’s wives), and the Mushaf owned by Ali (Mohammad’s son-in-law) are the main ones. In addition, there are TWO MORE Mushafs, one of which is said to have belonged to Ali by the Alawis and the other which is said to be kept in India. None of the Mushafs which are mentioned in Suyuti and Buhari’s books have been able to come to our day. However, the list of the contents of them has been written. Furthermore, in some religion books, some parts of Suras and verses that are said to have existed in those Mushafs have reached our times. The differences between them and today’s Quran can clearly be seen.

    For example, the Sura “The Opening”, which is a basic one, does not take place in Ibn Mesud’s Mushaf. Neither do the Suras “The Dawn” and “The Confederate Tribes”. The order of the Suras in Ali’s Mushaf is not the same as in today’s Quran. Suyuti points out in his book that the Suras “The Cow” and “The Clans” are the same length. (See Suyuti, el ıtkan, 2/32) Yet, in today’s official Quran, “The Cow” has 286 verses whereas “The Confederate Tribes” has only 73.

    How many copies of the Quran were made during the time of the third Caliph Othman and where they are now is a controversial issue. According to some, four copies were made, to others, five or seven copies were made. Those who claim four copies were made say that Othman kept one copy to himself and sent the others to Kufa, Basra and Damascus. Some claim that they were sent to Mecca, Yemen and Bahreyn. According to some information in some books, people were allowed to copy those Mushafs and so made private copies for themselves. But WHAT ABOUT THE FACT that some verses exist in those Mushafs while the same verses do not in today’s official Quran? In some references of Islam, it is claimed that some of the Mushafs made during the time of Othman still exist. For example, there are a number of books claiming that one copy is in Taşkent. In some Turkish Islamic sources, it is said that the Quran which is exhibited in Topkapı Museum is one of those that were made in the time of Othman. Islam researcher Dr. Suphi e’s-Salih asks in his book,

    “Well, where is the official copy that was made in the time of Othman now?”

    and says that he could not get a satisfactory answer. He says that the one in Cairo Museum could not be the one that remained from Othman’s time because the book has some signs and dots which were not used in the early times of Islamism. It is true that the official content of the holy book of Muslims is the same everywhere. HOWEVER, sources reveal that the Quran that is known in the Islamic World today is not the same as the one that was written by the Prophet’s “scribes of revelations”.

    THE RUMOUR TELLING THAT EVEN ONE LETTER OF THE QURAN HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED IS A LIE!

    Hammad Ibn Zeberkan used to recite the word “iyyahu” in “Repentance” (Al Tawba), verse 114, as “ebahu” and the word “izzettin” in “Sad” as “ğırratin”. The differences in all these words are confined to some letters; in the former pair of words, the letter “ya” is changed into “ba”, and in the latter pair of words, the letter “ayın” is changed into “ğayın”. Let’s give no significance to the changes of these letter.
    Instead of some words existing in the Quran available, Abdullah Ibn Abbas used to recite the “synonyms” of them. Enes Ibn Malik recited the word “akvamu” in the sixth verse of “The Mantled One” as “asvabu”. Ibn Omar recited the word “fes’av” in the tenth verse of “Friday” as “femzü”, and Ibn Abbas recited the word “kel’ıhni” in the fifth verse of “The Disaster” as “k’essavfı”. Likewise, Ibn Abbas preferred to recite the word “sayhaten” as “zeyfeten”. Enes Ibn Malik recited the word “halelna” in the second verse of “Comfort” instead of “vada’na”. The changes in these cases are not changes of letters but changes of words. THIS MEANS the claim that even one letter of the Quran has not been changed since the time of the Prophet is not true.

    Sources refer to different mushafs. WHEN THE EXAMPLES GIVEN ARE COMPARED, the contents of some mushafs are not the same as those in today’s official Quran. What Ibn Omar says is also very interesting; “None of you should say that he has the whole Quran. Does he who says so know what the whole of the Quran is? It’s certain that most of the Quran has been destroyed.” (See Süyuti, el ıtkan, 2/32)

    Both the first and the second original copies of the Quran were burnt by the Muslims. There is NO DOUBT that this was done to conceal the truth. And the original copies that were made during the time of Othman and sent to certain central zones cannot be found anywhere in the world.

    References: 1.Buhari E’s-Sahih (Arabic); Kitabu’l Fedail-ül- Kuran Menakıbu’l Ensar, Sahihi Buhari Mustesari. Translation of Tecridi Sarih 2.Dr. S. Suphi E’s-Salih (One of the main researchers of the last century in the world of Islam, who wrote a lot of books.) Mebahis fi Ulum-il Kuran, 3.Celalettin Suyuti (Interpreter of the Quran, one of the most knowledgeable and reliable Hadiths expert in the Islam world): El ıtkan Fi Ulumi-l,Kuran, 4.Müslim E’s-Sahih (Arabic), 5.Ebu Davud

    • many many thanks sir. I knew about this, interpolations in the koran, and was searching the details, but your EXHAUSTIVE list has given me all the cannon fodder I need.
      Thanks again
      Jai shri ram

  12. GEERT WILDERS ADRESS IN AMERICA, please read very interesting view.

    Dear friends,

    Thank you very much for inviting me.
    I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

    First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem ..
    The Europe you know is changing.

    You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

    All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

    There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.
    Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

    In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

    Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear ‘whore, whore’. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

    In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

    In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.
    Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

    A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

    Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call ‘respect’. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

    The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .
    Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators ‘settlers’. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.
    Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

    The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

    Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means ‘submission’. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

    Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam ‘the most retrograde force in the world’, and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

    This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

    The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

    Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America – as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem .Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe ‘s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.
    We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.

    Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, Please send it to every free person that you know, it is so very important.

  13. Mughalistan (or Mughalstan) is the name of an independent homeland proposed for the Muslims of India. This Mughal-Muslim state in the Indian subcontinent will include all of North India and Eastern India, and will be formed by merging Pakistan and Bangladesh through a large corridor of land running across the Indo-Gangetic plain, the heartland of India. This Mughalistan corridor will comprise Muslim-majority areas of Northern India and eastern India that will be partitioned for the second time in history.
    The comprehensive plan for a second partition of India was first developed by the Mughalstan Research Institute (MRI) of Jahangir Nagar University (Bangladesh) under the patronage of the two intelligence agencies, Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and Bangladesh’s Director General of Forces Intelligence, DGFI. The “Mughalistan Reaserch Institute of Bangladesh” has released a map where a Muslim corridor named “Mughalistan” connects Pakistan and Bangladesh via India.
    The Pakistani Punjabi-dominated ISI’s influence on MRI is evident even in the Punjabi-centric pronunciation of the word ‘Mughalstan’ (without the “i”), instead of the typical Urdu pronunciation (Mughalistan). Islamic Jihadis in India have been well-armed and well-funded by the neighbouring Islamic regimes, as part of Operation Topac – the late Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq’s grandiose plot to balkanize India.

    Not surprisingly, Osama Bin Laden has thrown his support behind the concept and creation of this Greater Pakistan to “liberate” the Muslims of India from the Hindus. The Mumbai underworld (led by Karachi-based don Dawood Ibrahim who executed the gruesome 1993 Mumbai bombings), Jamaat-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen have declared their unified support for creating this undivided Islamic nation in the Indian subcontinent. The Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Indian Mujahideen are working in tandem with the aforementioned organizations to waged Jihad against the Hindus of India.

    It is important to note that in its “holy war” against India, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has openly declared Hindus to be the “enemies of Islam” who should all be converted or killed. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba group has repeatedly claimed through its journals and websites that its main aim is to destroy the Indian republic and to annihilate Hinduism. Jaish-e-Mohammed has vowed to “liberate” not just Kashmir, but also to hoist the Islamic flag atop the historic Red Fort after capturing New Delhi and the rest of India.

    SIMI has championed the “liberation of India through Islam” and aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat (Islamic Caliphate), emphasis on the Muslim Ummah (Islamic) and the waging of Jihad on the Indian state, secularism, democracy and nationalism – the basic keystones of the Indian Constitution – as these concepts are antithetical to Islam. The Indian Mujahideen have sent several emails claiming responsibility for several bombings in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad (in Uttar Pradesh), Bangalore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and New Delhi in 2007 and 2008. The emails refer to notorious Islamic conquerors of India (Mohammed bin Qasim, Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmud Ghaznawi) as their role-models, refer to Hindu blood as “blood to be the cheapest of all mankind” and taunt Hindus that their “[Hindu] history is full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult [at the hands of Islamic conquerors]”.

    The Indian Mujahideen’s emails warn the Hindus to “Accept Islam and save yourselves” and or else face a horrible fate: – “Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our [Muslim] hands?”

  14. ONE THING IS CERTAIN . THE QURAN IS THE HANDIWORK OF THE DEVIL.
    WHY ONE WOULD ASK ?
    THE VERSES HEARD BY THE UNEDUCATED ,PEODOPHILE MUHAMMAD, ASK THAT MANKIND SHOULD CONSIDER THIS PATH AS THE ONLY PATH .
    SO A VERY CLEVER TRICK OF THE DEVIL IS EXPOSED .THAT IS TO CONTROL THE ENTIRE MANKIND AND DEVIATE IT FROM THE PATH OF GOD .IF IT WERE GOD DICTATING THE VERSES IT WOULD NEVER HAVE MENTIONED THIS AS THE ONLY PATH . ITS LIKE SAYING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMPLETED THEIR Ph.d..OR MASTERS TO COME BACK TO SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!

    more than one thousand verses out of the six thousand plus pages contain the description of handling kafirs!!!!!!!!!!!
    the great mohammad was an expert in getting dreams to set new trends!!!!!!!!!!!
    1) a dream he gets with angels complaining that they could not enter his house because of a dog.this caused the elimination of dogs and specially black dogs ,because black dog is a shaitan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!let me tell you black dogs are more gifted and see the devil . so surely the muhammad did not want to be recognised .
    2)a dream which laid the foundation of the devilish evil festival bakri id. he was asked to sacrifice his son and then when he was about to sacrifice allah replaced him with a goat !!!!!!!!!! so convenient
    (if we watch the cunningness it all points to the devil who is an expert at tricks) . recently bilal philips tried to justify the slow killing of the goat in a scientific manner !!!!!!!!!!!!! he says this is the same as cutting the veins in the wrist with a razor blade and says with a smirk that this is the technique used for suicide in the west . the fool does not realize that one who is in the stage of suicide has a far greater mental trauma and couples it with drugs mostly . so the animal who is cut and made to die slowly twitches in pain and slowly bleeds to death . this is something a devil will simply love and rejoice , we should see some videos of slaugher hallal on the net and see how they are smiling while the goat writhes in pain . no wonders these people do not feel the pain of others and can kill so easily .
    3)the role of women . the devil wants them to be only reproductive machines and have no individuality.
    4)how to deal with kafirs non believers .no god who is omnipresent would sow the seeds of hatred amongst the creation .more than 1000 verses talk about how to deal with non believers

    thanks Satyagni for the site to share our views and come on a platform to deal with the evil

  15. dear Satyagni
    i have posted some comments of my opinion in the past week . i would like to know you views of the same and give me chance to help ;your movement in all possible ways
    a fellow hindu

  16. When confronted with facts with evidence from Islamic doctrines like Koran, Hadith and Sira or even Sharia (fiqh), Muslims try to build a wall. Their replies tend to be like this: Islam is religion of peace; Islam is religion of pluralism (Daisy Khan recently said this because there are many interpretations of Islam.); Islam is a practical religion.

    What does this mean? Islam is a practical religion. What kind of argument supports this claim? Most Muslims never say on or explain this; they construct and use this kind of sentences to conceal its ugly face and their ambitions too.

    Syed Qutb, Islamic revolutionary of Egypt who was hanged by the great Nasser, equally said this. His point was that to see beauty of Islamic justice or Islam as a religion, Islam needs to conquer the world.

    Until then you will not see its beauty. Actually it amounts to admitting that Islam is one intolerant system towards infidels and it can no co-exist with others in peace and harmony.

    Another victim of this ugly religion:

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=7924

  17. Dear Muslims,

    The Hadiths provided above are fake, these people taken the Hadiths from critics like faithfreedom.org, Dont worry about these people, what ever they talk let them talk, these people are nothing, the people of makkah are more evil than these people. We know all how the ISLAM preveal in this world. Only God has to help these people, some times i feel very peity for them. They dont know who is GOD first, and they never follow what God commands. They dont have LAW, their law is their own desires. Their law is Love India and follow whatever they wish. They dont believe in day of Judgement, they dont know about Hell and heaven. Whatever hell and heaven is this world only. Let them talk whatever they wish. God did not put us to watch over them. Our duty is to convince the truth. If they turn away, we cannot help them. On the Day of Judgement every one from Adam to the last person born in this world will be placed infront of GOD and all have to answer. Insha Allah, we Muslims see all those critics who talk against Islam on the day of Judgement. They will come to know the Truth, but it will be late for them. And GOD wont give another chance to come to this world to do good. May God show them right path.. Ameen.

    I request all the critics not to comment. Just keep these words in mind. God will decide on the Day of Judgement, who is on the right path and who is on wrong path.

    I will give few signs for you to watch, the time will show these signs. Just watch the changes in the world. these are signs given by Prophet Muhammad (saw).

    US Dollar will be soon collapsed.

    The paper currency will be replaced with Gold and Silver as currency.

    The next Super power of the world is ISRAEL.

    The sea of Gallilee dries up completely. The day the Sea of Galilee (Israel) dries up, that is end to all relgions of the world. The entire world is ruled by Islam under the leadership JESUS.

    Abdullah.

    • @Abdullah

      The days of ignorance are over !

      all of the hadit links provided here are with hyperlinks ..any body in doubt can read it directly from the source.

      It’s just that you don;t want the reality of Islam to come out.You fear and know that any educated rational mind can not subscribe to such a doctrine..and you are right…more and more educated people are getting out this fear mongering stories of heaven and hell.

      as i ask any rational mind that

      a) if allah is everywhere
      and
      b) there is heaven and hell

      then

      ALLAH MUST ALSO BE IN HELL

      it’s that simple to break down the entire fear complex of islam ..got it sir?

    • @Abdullah
      When your original home is Vedas and Vedas teach Oneness of Eeshvar, why dont you come back to Vedic Dharm? Why do you remember Muhammad along with LASHAREEK Allah five times a day and bow down to Kaba?

      • @Islamisgreat

        Love God and become fearless

        fear is the biggest sin!

        i can love Allah not fear him ..my Allah is lovable not fearable

        only satan instills fear ..come home to the real Allah ..forget the arabic Allah 🙂

      • I fear none you idiot. It’s you, who fear a pedophile, lecher, mass murder, lunatic, narcissist, etc… all in one Mohammed (PBUH) [may his name be obliterated]. oh my god

        PBUH: Perpetual Brutality undamed hagatism… pisslam… Muslim Bastards…. Thulukka Thevdiya mavane.

    • @abdullah,
      ama miya, the whole world will be ruled by islam. Kya behuda baata karlele miya. Aur miya hum kaffir log kya chudiya pehente hai kya?

  18. Dear Muslims,

    Let the Holy Qur’an speak to them.

    The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will. (Qur’an 2:212)

    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (Qur’an 2:256)

    As to those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers. (Qur’an 3:71)

    Those who reject Faith,- neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah. They will be companions of the Fire,- dwelling therein (for ever). (Qur’an 3:116)

    Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception. (3:185)

    Ye shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions and in your personal selves; and ye shall certainly Hear much that will grieve you, from those who received the Book before you and from those who worship many gods. But if ye persevere patiently, and guard against evil,-then that will be a determining factor in all affairs. (3:186)

    Those who reject Faith and keep off (men) from the way of Allah, have verily strayed far, far away from the Path. Those who reject Faith and do wrong,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any way-
    Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to Allah is easy.
    (Qur’an 4:167-169)

    To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah. it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; (Qur’an 5:48)

    Say: “O people of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?” (Qur’an 5:59)

    Many of them dost thou see, racing each other in sin and rancour, and their eating of things forbidden. Evil indeed are the things that they do. . Why do not the rabbis and the doctors of Law forbid them from their (habit of) uttering sinful words and eating things forbidden? Evil indeed are their works. (Qur’an 5:62-63)

    See they not how many of those before them We did destroy?- generations We had established on the earth, in strength such as We have not given to you – for whom We poured out rain from the skies in abundance, and gave (fertile) streams flowing beneath their (feet): yet for their sins We destroyed them, and raised in their wake fresh generations (to succeed them). (Qur’an 6:6)

    Yea, in their own (eyes) will become manifest what before they concealed. But if they were returned, they would certainly relapse to the things they were forbidden, for they are indeed liars. And they (sometimes) say: “There is nothing except our life on this earth, and never shall we be raised up again.” If thou couldst but see when they are confronted with their Lord! He will say: “Is not this the truth?” They will say: “Yea, by our Lord!” He will say: “Taste ye then the penalty, because ye rejected Faith.”

    Lost indeed are they who treat it as a falsehood that they must meet Allah,- until on a sudden the hour is on them, and they say: “Ah! woe unto us that we took no thought of it”; for they bear their burdens on their backs, and evil indeed are the burdens that they bear?

    What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then understand? (Qur’an 6:28-32)

    Say: “Think ye, if the punishment of Allah comes to you, whether suddenly or openly, will any be destroyed except those who do wrong? (Qur’an 6:47)

    Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah. if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah. (Qur’an 6:70)

    THERE WERE MANY STORIES WHICH HAPPEN IN THE PAST WERE MENTIONED IN THE HOLY QUR’AN, READ THEM AND LEARN A LESSON FROM THEM. THE PEOPLE OF THOSE PROPHETS TIME REJECTED THE TRUTH AS YOU ARE REJECTING TODAY, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND THOSE PEOPLE. THEY TOO REJECTED AND FINALLY DESTROYED BY GOD BY THE PUNISHMENT OF GOD. WHY DONT YOU TAKE HEED AND LEARN A LESSON FROM THEM. ONLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE WILL TURN TO GOD.

    Abdullah

    • Abdullah
      When your original home is Vedas and Vedas teach Oneness of Eeshvar, why dont you come back to Vedic Dharm? Why do you remember Muhammad along with LASHAREEK Allah five times a day and bow down to Kaba?

  19. Arya,

    Definitely I would have accept Vedas and Easwar as GOD if i might have present in that time and Vedas are meant for those people present in that age. Now the last and Final revelation from Easwar came in the form of Holy Qur’an. I invite you to follow the final testament of GOD. The GOD is one and only one. I invite you to Islam and follow the one GOD.

    The book which came from GOD before Qur’an is Injeel (which christians call as Bible) was only for the people of Israel. So we dont follow that book also. But we believe that all the books came from GOD. The GOD of vedas is the God of Jews, Christians and Muslims. God has been known through different names, thats it.

    Abdullah

    • @Abdullah

      Vedas never prophecize and Vedas are claimed to be the first and final, so how can there be more books??? Vedas are eternal knowledge which means Vedas are forever, so how can a final edition come? Couldnt God make one book that would be applicable to all ages rather than sending revelations from time to time????

      If God has to send revelations from time to time, this shows God is imperfect, thats what you believe???

      Quran has so many contradictions, what about that???

      • @ Abdullah

        नमस्ते

        यथेमां वाचं कल्याणीमावदानि जनेभ्य: |
        ब्रह्मराजन्याभ्यां शूद्राय चार्याय च स्वाय चारणाय || (यजुर्वेद ६|२)

        यजुर्वेदके इस मंत्रमें परमेश्वर कहता है कि जैसे मैं सब मनुष्यों के लिये इस कल्याण अर्थात संसार और मुक्ति के सुख देनेहारी, रिग्वेदादि चारों वेदोंकी वाणी का,उपदेश करता हूं, वैसे तुम भी किया करो |

        सब मनुष्य वेदोंको पढ-पढा और सुन-सुनाकर विद्या को बढाके, अच्छी बातों का ग्रहण करें और बूरी बातों का त्याग करके दु:खोंसे छूटकर, आनंदको प्राप्त हों |

        कुरान के न माननेवाले मनुष्योंको काफिर कहा गया है और उनके लिये दोझखकी यातनाएं |

        वेदमें सब मनुष्योंके लिये बात कि गई है और कुरान को न माननेवालोंके लिये कुछ्भी नहीं, क्या येह पक्षपातवाली बात नहीं लगती भाई अब्दुल्ला आपको? आप स्वयं निर्णय कीजिये ?

    • नमस्ते

      यथेमां वाचं कल्याणीमावदानि जनेभ्य: |
      ब्रह्मराजन्याभ्यां शूद्राय चार्याय च स्वाय चारणाय || (यजुर्वेद ६|२)

      यजुर्वेदके इस मंत्रमें परमेश्वर कहता है कि जैसे मैं सब मनुष्यों के लिये इस कल्याण अर्थात संसार और मुक्ति के सुख देनेहारी, रिग्वेदादि चारों वेदोंकी वाणी का,उपदेश करता हूं, वैसे तुम भी किया करो |

      सब मनुष्य वेदोंको पढ-पढा और सुन-सुनाकर विद्या को बढाके, अच्छी बातों का ग्रहण करें और बूरी बातों का त्याग करके दु:खोंसे छूटकर, आनंदको प्राप्त हों |

      कुरान के न माननेवाले मनुष्योंको काफिर कहा गया है और उनके लिये दोझखकी यातनाएं |

      वेदमें सब मनुष्योंके लिये बात कि गई है और कुरान को न माननेवालोंके लिये कुछ्भी नहीं, क्या येह पक्षपातवाली बात नहीं लगती भाई अब्दुल्ला आपको? आप स्वयं निर्णय कीजिये ?

      धन्यवाद

    • @Brother Abdullah
      Have you read Vedas? If yes, please let us know about the Mantra which says that Vedas will get expired one day. If you have not read Vedas then how can you claim that Vedas are not for today? You told us earlier that you were Hindu and later converted to Islam. Can I ask you, why did not you search for Vedas, the very foundation of Hinduism? And you did not answer me, when your original home is Vedas and Vedas teach Oneness of Eeshvar, why dont you come back to Vedic Dharm? Why do you remember Muhammad along with LASHAREEK Allah five times a day and bow down to Kaba?

    • Now my counter-question is that is God perfect or not? If yes, which is what Quran wants us to believe, then why could not God give his first book as final edition? If God knows everything, what made him change his own theories? This means that God is imperfect.Here, when trapped, the proponents weakly argue that God’s knowledge is same but the application changes from time to time. If that be so, should not a new Quran come now when the world order has completely changed from barbaric middle ages when Quran had to accept evils like slavery, polygamy and gender discrimination?Further, Vedas talk of rebirth. They talk of monogamy. They talk of Law of Karma and refuse belief in Heaven or Hell. They believe that nature, God and soul are beginning-less and endless. Creation and Destruction happen in continuous cycles. These are completely opposite to Quranic view of polygamy, one birth, permanent Heaven or Hell and this being the first and last creation of God that happened in few days a few thousand years ago. I can agree to some extent to future plans being modified by God as part of some grand strategy, but how can even God change the history of universe that had already happened even before Vedas came in Quran, his revised edition of message? Is God so forgetful of what he has already done? If that be so, what is the guarantee that he will not realize some more mistakes and send another edition of his message?

  20. yada yada hi dharmasya
    glanir bhavati bharata
    abhyutthanam adharmasya
    tadatmanam srjamy aham

    paritranaya sadhunam
    vinasaya ca duskrtam
    dharma-samsthapanarthaya
    sambhavami yuge yuge

    Bagavad Gita (4:7-8)

    God sent Prophets from time to time. This is not from Quran, this from Bagavad gita only. You should also know from Vedas that God is enternal and he wont take human form. By this you can recognize that God sent his choosen men, like Rama, Krishna, Parushuram etc. to this world to establish the Dharam. That clearly shows that God deliver his message to the people from time to time. Later people made them as books of GOD. Now you cannot say God is imperfect.

    First learn about your own religion, then only you can understand what Quran is saying. We can easily judge from Quran that all other holy books exist in this world came from the same GOD.

    • @ abdullah

      Ved says not to believe in AVTAARvaad. Shri Krishnaa, Ram were mahapurush, not God. Ved says believe only in one god which has no form. Make familiar yourself by reading Ved mantra and understanding their meaning. Then comment here !!! Khali khali bakwaad karnese koi laabh nahi hai, aapaki samay barbaadi hai.

      your last line is “SAME GOD” means you also believe that the GOD in Veda and Quran is same. The good messages in Quran are also taken from Ved. Then why not to take whole book for goodness of all human kind and all souls, Ved .

      Think on this brother.

      Dhanyawaad

    • My dear brother Abdullah, salamalaikum. No point debating with these people. This has been done by many in the past and literally defeated them in their arguments. These people knows all that you have said. When they feel they are being answered logically and scientifically, they will go off track, twist with words, and finally starts abusing and accusing the Prophet, Allah and the Quran and even remove such convincing replies out from the forum. The so called half intelligent women also have proved these guys that they are better than them.

      I advise all my Hindu brothers & sisters to not to be biased only by reading false contents in this forum. If at all you want to know about religion, pls study the Quran & Vedas with meanings (translations of Quran is available in all major languages of the world). Consider and follow only those portions that are common/similar in both the books. This way only can people of two religion come together. This is what Dr. Zakir Naik (IRF) is doing. Here, you will find every ways of deviating people, bringing differences & rift between the two communities. If you want to know the answers in details to all the false allegations laid against Islam by the owners of this forum, you can find that in another website called Truth of Hinduism or Islamic Research Foundation & also some Muslim brothers & sisters in this forum itself have very well clarified the misconception & allegations. Judge yourself what make sense and what not, take what you like and leave what you don’t like. Satyagni is just picking up contents from anti islamic websites and pasting it here. He is less promoting Hinduism whereas, being a Hindu he should be promoting Hinduism more instead of writing against Islam, to create hatred between the two great communities. If he can promote and concentrate more on promoting Hinduism, then not only Hindus, even people from other communities would be his fans like Dr. Zakir Naik has fans in millions not only from Muslim community & in India but from different community worldwide. May the Almighty bring peace and sense of understanding to all.

      • ❰wellsaid: When they feel they are being answered logically and scientifically, they will go off track, twist with words, and finally starts abusing and accusing the Prophet, Allah and the Quran and even remove such convincing replies out from the forum❱

        Scientifically and logically! lolz

        the only logic provided my muslims here is that Quran is the word of God because Allah says so and Allah is the only God because quran says so..circular babble is logic to you! great!!!

        All the Islamist responses are preserved on this site..including the filthy abuses that some have been kind enough to bestow upon this site

        It’s not Satyagni..but the hadits, Sirat and Quran themselves that insult the prophet, justify violence against non-muslims, call muslimahs half-intelligent, justify slavery and intolerance towards all other religions.

        Not a single muslim has condemned the venomous zakir naik when he says that no non-muslim should be allowed to practice his religion when islam takes over …whom are you fooling?

        ❰wellsaid: Consider and follow only those portions that are common/similar in both the books.❱

        Quran does not allow for partial following ..the Quran is unambiguous in stating that nothing of it should be left outRead Quran 3:7 ..it pains me to see guyz like you defending your religion without knowing the abc of it!

        ❰wellsaid: The so called half intelligent women also have proved these guys that they are better than them.❱

        the so called half intelligent muslimah proved that she is half-intelligent ..nothing more.

        she said slavery is good , and then sex with married is slaves is great and beating women is right..it may sound logical to a muslim mind like you ..to me it’s illogical and disgusting.

        ❰wellsaid: This is what Dr. Zakir Naik (IRF) is doing

        THIS is what zakir naik is doing!

        Kill any who leaves the religion of peace [no compulsion in religion!!??]
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMAZR8YIhxI

        Zero Tolerance for Non Mulsims
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHpd2T7mi5c

        ❰wellsaid: Judge yourself what make sense and what not, take what you like and leave what you don’t like❱

        OF COURSE –JUDGE YOURSELF!

        whatch the videos above..it’s coming from the zakir bhai mbbs’s mouth itself ..what more proof do you need?

        ❰wellsaid: If he can promote and concentrate more on promoting Hinduism❱
        This a is Vedas promoting site with a key fouc on humanity and human emancipation.

        it’s meant for mature audiences to discuss the perils of religious dogma ..and no religion is excluded.

        the evils of ALL religions are exposed on this site.

        But since you are here just to post the humanity hater, terrorist supporter zakir bhai ..you haven’t read the beautiful articles on Vedas on this site ..so much so that you confuse it for hinduism.

        PS: This is how you present a fact based argument, it has undeniable links and every body can go through the facts.Unlike you who does not know the site he has landed upon and start whining for the word go.grow up!

      • EXPOSING LIES OF ZAKIR NAIK
        Did Lord Ram eat meat

        Dr Zakir naik and his colleagues at the IRF believe so. Dr. Shuaib Sayyed, Research Manager, Islam and Comparative Religion, (IRF) says, “It is mentioned in Ayodhya Khandam chapter 20, 26 and 94 that when Rama was sent for Banavas he told his mother that he would have to sacrifice his tasty meat dishes. If Rama had to sacrifice his tasty meat dishes, it means that Rama had meat. If Rama can have meat, why can’t the Hindus have meat? … Sita asked Rama to kill the buck (deer)…What will Sita do with a dead pet? The only logical answer is that she wanted to have the meat of the buck. If Rama and Sita can have meat then why can’t the other Hindus have meat?” Let us examine if these allegations have any truth.

        Valmiki Ramayana, the original narration of Ramayana, has a total of 537 chapters, and over 24,000 verses, arranged into six kandas, or books. There are only two references to meat, and over a hundred references to vegetarian diet. The Ayodhya Kanda has 119 chapters. Chapter 20 describes Mother Kaushalya’s grievous lamentation on hearing from her son Rama, that He has been banished to the forest. Rama tells her in verse 29, “I shall live in a solitary forest like a sage for fourteen years, avoiding meat and living with roots, fruits and honey”. Can we validly infer from this that Lord Rama ate meat while in Ayodhya, and now He promises to avoid it in the forest? The exact words used are ‘hitva aamishham’. ‘aamisham’ refers to meat and ‘hitva’ refers to ‘disregarding’ or ‘with the exception of’ (Monnier Williams dictionary). Traditionally, in Vedic culture, when a son leaves home to go to distant lands, he reassures his parents, that he would abide by strict moral codes and never deviate from the religious principles. Say a student promises his parents when going to stay in the hostel, “I won’t drink alcohol while in the hostel.” Does this mean that he is drinking it while at home? Obviously not. Similarly it’s in this mood that Lord Rama assures His mother that he wouldn’t stoop low. In Chapter 26 Lord Rama tells Mother Sita of His decision to go to forest and instructs her to stay at Ayodhya. There is no reference to any eating- meat or otherwise-in any verse of this chapter. Moreover in almost all the verses of chapter 94, (which also Dr. Sayyed quotes), Lord Rama glorifies the various fruits, trees, and flowers at the forest of Chitrakuta, with absolutely no reference to any meat- eating whatsoever.

        Did Mother Sita ask Lord Rama to kill the deer? In the third book, Aranya kanda(forest trek),chapter 43, Mother Sita spots the golden deer and asks Lord Rama to fetch it. She asks, “Oh, nobleman’s son, that delightful deer is stealing my heart, oh, dextrous one, bring it round, it will be our plaything.” [3-43-10]. In the next eight verses she rejoices at the prospect of taking the deer back to Ayodhya where the animal will delight all the palace residents. She clarifies that if the deer is to be killed at all (Laksman had earlier warned it to be a demon), then they could use the deerskin as a seat. (3-43-19, 20). The forest dwelling sages used kusa grass and deer skin as seats during the earlier ages when flora and fauna was in abundance. Here again there is not even a hint that Lord Rama or Sita wanted to eat the flesh of the golden deer. In the 36th chapter of sundara kanda (Book of Beauty), Hanuman assures Mother Sita that Lord Rama would cross over the ocean and defeat Ravana. He reveals that although Lord Rama is in great sorrow of separation from Mother Sita, he hasn’t fallen down to intoxicants or meat eating. (verse 41)

        ‘Mamsa’ has another meaning; the flesh of a fruit. In the South Indian temple town of Srirangam, when priests offer mango to Lord Ranganath, they chant the prayer, “iti aamra mamsa khanda samarpayami” (“I offer mango ‘mamsa’ -mango flesh- for the Lord to eat). Thus even if there are occasional references to ‘mamsa’, we should know it refers to a mango.

        Now this also signifies that Ramyana existence is accepted finally by Dr Naik who only likes to criticize on other religions without even knowing the basic knowledge of holy books . So Mr Naik you keep your half knowledge with yourselves and don’t spread false information about other religions.

        “LETS SPREAD THIS TO STOP MISINTERPRETATION OF RAMAYANA”

        Contributed By: Swami Abayananda TirthaReference : Valmiki Ramayana

      • who is bothered about lord ram whether or not he ate meat. Let zakir naik bother. Even if ram ate meat, I am veggie by choice, and I am hindu by choice. This idiot thinks that by proving (wrongly) that lord Ram ate meat, i will convert to islam. HA HA. This idiot zakir naik, and his robotic muslim followers, dont understand one thing – CHOICE.

    • @Abdullah : Quoting for the BG , great,
      I guess you did not see the word “Bharata:’ in the verse. does it not mean that when ever there is harm to Dharma(Ved viruddh actions, actions that are not in accordance to Veda) great souls will appear on the Land of Bharata!!

    • //We can easily judge from Quran that all other holy books exist in this world came from the same GOD.//

      Now my counter-question is that is God perfect or not? If yes, which is what Quran wants us to believe, then why could not God give his first book as final edition? If God knows everything, what made him change his own theories? This means that God is imperfect.Here, when trapped, the proponents weakly argue that God’s knowledge is same but the application changes from time to time. If that be so, should not a new Quran come now when the world order has completely changed from barbaric middle ages when Quran had to accept evils like slavery, polygamy and gender discrimination?Further, Vedas talk of rebirth. They talk of monogamy. They talk of Law of Karma and refuse belief in Heaven or Hell. They believe that nature, God and soul are beginning-less and endless. Creation and Destruction happen in continuous cycles. These are completely opposite to Quranic view of polygamy, one birth, permanent Heaven or Hell and this being the first and last creation of God that happened in few days a few thousand years ago. I can agree to some extent to future plans being modified by God as part of some grand strategy, but how can even God change the history of universe that had already happened even before Vedas came in Quran, his revised edition of message? Is God so forgetful of what he has already done? If that be so, what is the guarantee that he will not realize some more mistakes and send another edition of his message?

      //God sent Prophets from time to time. This is not from Quran, this from Bagavad gita only. You should also know from Vedas that God is enternal and he wont take human form. By this you can recognize that God sent his choosen men, like Rama, Krishna, Parushuram etc. to this world to establish the Dharam. That clearly shows that God deliver his message to the people from time to time. Later people made them as books of GOD. Now you cannot say God is imperfect.//

      the verse of gita you mentioned says whenever evil rises great souls come to establish trurth. It does not says GOD sends books from time to time.
      i INVITE YOU BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL SOURCE THE VEDIC DHARMA AND LEAVE THE BFALSE DOCTRINE OF FALSE ISLAM.

    • Abdullah Bhai,

      But here Lord Krishna says that he will spread Dharma, not Adharma. And what is Dharma?
      1. It’s eternal. Otherwise, he would have said, I incarnate to propagate the time specific Dharma. However, he uses the term ‘Dharma’ without any adjective. Hence the obvious characteristic of Dharma is eternity among other things. He didn’t say, “I propagate new dharma whenever I take birth”. So the only dharma is the Vedic.

      2. Now, the question is what is Dharma. In short, it has ten characteristics: Patience, forgiveness, controlling the senses, non stealing, cleanliness, controlling the mind, purifying our intellect, knowledge, truthfulness, non -anger, etc. Said this, do you think Muhammad propagated the above. Moreover, Lord Krishna says at the same place, “My birth and acts are divine”. Do you think Muhammad has any divinity?

      Once a Muslim, there is eternal fear. If you are with Islam, fear of Allah. If you leave, fear of being killed due to apostasy. There is only rescue. Go to the Vedas. As you seem to have read Gita, Lord Krishna says, I will take care of you here and hereafter. Thus, you can shun off both of your fear and enjoy your eternity for ever instead of eternity of fear(hear and hereafter).

      OM shantih, shantih, shantihi.

    • @abdullah, abe shaane,
      When lord krishna teaches us to fight for the defence of dharma. against adharma. In MY logic ( I am a prophet) dharma means sanatan dharma and islam is adharma. Now talk.

  21. Brothers,

    I never say that Ram, Krishna were God, they are the men choosen by GOD to convey message of GOD and follow the Dharam. The followers of Vedas are very few. I can say out of 100% i dont think not even 5% following Vedas. I was born in Hindu family, only recently i have seen Vedas. My Parents and relatives and friends whom i know and whomever i met in life till date, they never saw vedas and they not even what it contains.

    We dont know when Vedas revealed? unto whom they have been revealed? Today we are seeing in Books, we dont know what was their form? Why they have been revealed? In which language they revealed? Is there any authenticity that in which language it revealed? if they call towards ONE GOD then people of India indulge in Idol worship? worshipping other than One GOD? What is the Law given by God? What GOD permitted us to follow and what GOD prohibited us to avoid?

    Is there any such thing exist in the today? Telling Simply that we believe One God is not enough, believing in one GOD means that you should obey him and follow him what he commanded. Then only you can be called as true believer.

    • //Brothers,I never say that Ram, Krishna were God, they are the men choosen by GOD to convey message of GOD and follow the Dharam. The followers of Vedas are very few. I can say out of 100% i dont think not even 5% following Vedas. //

      The follwers of truth and honesty are very few..should we declare now that truth and honesty are wasteful virtues ? ..that all should now give up truth and honesty because very few people are honest?

      are you so naive are justing acting like one?

      //I was born in Hindu family, only recently i have seen Vedas. My Parents and relatives and friends whom i know and whomever i met in life till date, they never saw vedas and they not even what it contains.//

      Vedas is in the heart of every Human Being when it’s pure and in unison with the everything around..
      vedas is when you not slap your wife even if a written book says so
      vedas is when you don’t hate your neighbour for not following your book
      vedas is constant action for the upliftment of self and others
      vedas is the yearning inside everybody that keeps seeking for bliss, happiness and eternity
      Vedas means knowledge and only the RIGHTFUL are blessed to acquire it .,.when you’ll grow up into a nice human being you would find much wisdom in them dear Abdullah 🙂

      //We dont know when Vedas revealed? //
      if this does not prove the eternalness of vedas , at least this does not deny that veads can be eternal!
      wheras contrast it with bible or quran ..which were revealed lakhs of years after the appearance of modern man

      this means that the only possible book for all humanity for all times gone and all times to come can only be Vedas

      which one would you logically choose?

      //unto whom they have been revealed? //
      this has been discussed on this site ..and unlike the abrahmic religions ..this knowldge is handed over to four people to ensure it’s non-corruption.
      contrast this with Islam ..the knowledge is revealed to one person ..this person even gets taken over by Satan ..why would you believe a man who admits that he was taken over by Satan ? and not believe a book that has nothing Satanic in it???

      which one is logical?

      //Today we are seeing in Books, we dont know what was their form?//
      Vedas are not just the books that you see ..they are shrutis …the UNESCO has declared the oral tradition of recitaion of vedas the oldest heritage of humanity .,.it’s time you start giving it the same respect that the world does

      // Why they have been revealed? //

      They have been revealed for all to attain emacipation and attain bliss and happiness.
      Unlike other books , vedas don’t force anybody to follow them ..it’s after all knowledge for betterment.

      and Vedas say that by following them you’d get the benefits HERE and NOW ..rather than the false and suspect promise by other religions of great rewards ONLY WHEN ONE DIES[which can never be verified!]

      which one is more logical?

      //In which language they revealed? Is there any authenticity that in which language it revealed?//

      Vedas were revealed in the original language of all humanity ..which later on(in written and verbal) came to be known as sanskrit

      it is the language from which all other languages of the world have taken birth [ read about PIE – proto-indian-europen ]

      you are questioning something that has already been established scientifically and through lingusitic studies.

      //if they call towards ONE GOD then people of India indulge in Idol worship?//

      You are talking about Hindus now ..anyways Hindus also believe in one god only , but many hindu sects believe that god can be better adored and prayed to in a form …The idol is a form that they use to create a personal bonding with God.

      Just like every muslim bows towards the house of allah -kaaba and kisses the black stone etc..these are all rituals.

      Ask any muslim to throw away the kaaba stone and he will beat you black and blue ..after all not every soul is at the same spiritual level and hence these practices flourished in ALL religions except the Vedic Dharma

      so if you are not a fan of ANY form of idolatry ..your only home is Veads ..welcome aboard!

      //worshipping other than One GOD? What is the Law given by God? What GOD permitted us to follow and what GOD prohibited us to avoid?//

      You can find all that in Vedas

      of course vedas don’t talk about useless details like when to and when not to fart or how to wash with stones et all how many number of stones ..beacuse this kind of idiocy is required for training PETS and not humans

      apart from potty training and stuff like that Vedas have everything you need to get guided on

      //Is there any such thing exist in the today? Telling Simply that we believe One God is not enough, believing in one GOD means that you should obey him and follow him what he commanded. Then only you can be called as true believer.//

      Yes it exists even today and it is recited in marriages and followed in gurukuls

      200 universties of the world apart from the many in India teach this ultimate guideline to humanity – The Vedas

      and mind you ..Vedas are books of knowldge ..if you don;t follow them you can at max remain ignorant …it doesn’t preach that those who don;t read them or follow them will go to a permament hell (like Islam and Christianity)

      Vedas have the patience and Wisdom of God ..He knows that one fine birth you’d read the vedas and achieve salvation ..if not this one ..you’d get another chance after the many times you’d pay up for all the goats you’ve mercilessly killed in the name of God who is the giver of all and does not require any body’s blood

      om tat sat

  22. Brother,

    You did not answer straight forward to my questions. You dont know unto whom the vedas revealed and also unknown period. You people claiming that Quran is changed which was revealed 1400 years before, how can you say that vedas never changed. You dont know in which language vedas revealed. But the arabic language still exist today. dont answer as if you know everything.

    One thing I will challenge you, the vedic dharam will never be established on the face of the earth again. Your own people are not ready to accept Vedas. It is expired, you will never be able to follow them or implement. I have seen many hindus and christians coming to Islam with my very eyes, but i never saw any person calling to vedas, except this only site.

    There is no law for you, you will follow the law of Indian Government. But we follow the Law of Allah and it has been successfully implemented. We have law for each and every part of our life. And we dont find any difficult to follow it.

    Come out from darkness to the lightness of Eaaswar. I will give one example.

    Prophet Moses brought law to the people of Isreal from God, after he left God sent Prophet Jesus to the people of Isreal, but these people never accept Jesus except few, until today they reject Jesus. And after JESUS God sent Prophet Muhammad (SAW) both the followers of Jesus and Moses rejected him except few. The same thing with you people. You dont want accept a prophet who came after Vedas.

    We are seeing a practical examples. And GOD clearly explained about the followers of the previous generations clearly in the Holy Quran. We also been warned by God about the nature of those people towards GOD. We dont see big difference between you and those people. They talk more than you people, you people are nothing infront of them.

    May Allah show his mercy and show you right path.. Ameen.

    Abdullah

    • @ Abdullah

      Many times you were asked questions before this comment, have you read a single matra of Veda? Yes or NO. First fulfill this question asked to you. Then say “You did not answer straight forward to my questions.”

      “You dont know unto whom the vedas revealed and also unknown period. ” these questions will automatically be answered if you start reading one ved mantra daily and digest it meaning. Then no need to ask any one else.

      Try for a week and then comment.

      Dhanyawaad

    • @Abdullah,

      Sitting on this website for hours and wasting time in commenting,
      Why don’t you go to nice articles such as creation and purpose, understanding vedic god, lets learn vedic worship, more on vedic god ?

      How many articles did you go thoroughly ?

      I hope you will not waste your time in silly things ? Eshwar may help you, dear brother.

      Dhanyawaad

    • @Abdullah

      Establish or not establish, unlike your cult, we are not killing, we never killed, we would not kill any person who will not follow our book. That’s the main difference between you and us. That’s the truth. and truth always wins. Compassion has always won against hatred.

    • @Abdullah

      Establish or not establish, unlike your cult, we are not killing, we never killed, we would not kill any person who will not follow our book. That’s the main difference between you and us. That’s the truth. and truth always wins. Compassion has always won against hatred.

      • @roger
        unlike your cult, we are not killing, we never killed, we would not kill any person who will not follow our book.
        I want to do it. I want to well, reverse hinduism, islamise hinduism. muslims dont have a copyright on terrorism

    • Brother @Abdullah

      //You did not answer straight forward to my questions. //

      I have answered , but i don’t know what blinds you the response !
      blind-belief can be detrimental to one’s comprehension skills ..hence you are forgiven 🙂

      //You dont know unto whom the vedas revealed and also unknown period. //

      As i had replied, nobody knows when the Vedas were revealed HISTORICALLY but is known for SURE that they are the earliest living revelations that the world has known.Historians date the written tradition of the vedas (Rig Veda) to be around 1200 BC ..this is some 1800 years before Islam was taking shape in the arid deserts of impoverished arabia.

      MIND YOU ..this is just an early date assumption …and that too of the written text of the Vedas..nobody knows when they were revealed ..and that proves one thing ..it is that it’s possible that the vedas are from eternity (it does not prove the point but it at least makes Vedas the ONLY candidate to be possibly eternal)

      contrast this with Quran …It was not by any prophet ..it was rather collected by the caliphs ..Muhammad never ordered the compilation of this hate manual ..the caliphs decided on their own and that too 100 of years after his death..It;s language is old arabic that does not even have the diacritical marks ..which were added to the modern quran in 11th century ..so the Quran you have is from 11th century .

      A muslim question the eternality of the vedas is like an ant measuring the weight of an elephant!

      by the way ..to understand logically readhttp://Satyagni.com/1553/origin-of-vedas/ andhttp://Satyagni.com/1566/eternity-of-vedas/

      this will help you not ask questions which have already been answered on the site.

      //You people claiming that Quran is changed which was revealed 1400 years before, how can you say that vedas never changed.//

      While the hadit and history of Islam states that the Quran is corrupted and incomplete..not so with the vedas

      the recitation of the vedas in it’s old vedic sanksrit is the LONGEST LIVING ORAL TRADITION OF RECITATION OF THE WORLD ..and it’s not me but the UNICEF that confirms this!

      //You dont know in which language vedas revealed. But the arabic language still exist today. dont answer as if you know everything.//

      no-body knows everything ..but i know somethings that may enlighten you 🙂

      as already told, arabic started developing in the 6th century ..it derives heavily from aramic ..proving clearly that the God of Quran created arabic by learning aramic ..but his learning was not complete 🙁

      in 11th century, diacritical marks were introduced and that’s how you got the new Quran that you hold in your hands today…believing it is written in an eternal perfect language ..duh!

      One thing I will challenge you, the vedic dharam will never be established on the face of the earth again. It is expired, you will never be able to follow them or implement. I have seen many hindus and christians coming to Islam with my very eyes, but i never saw any person calling to vedas, except this only site.

      Vedic dharma is here to stay and GROW ..no matter how many cults come up with their filthy license to sex,greed and violence in the here and hereafter ..sane human beings with our thoughts and compassion for all humanity will always be there

      and just to give you the pain in your sorry head ..read this newsbyte
      http://www.newsweek.com/2009/08/14/we-are-all-hindus-now.html
      America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to identify as Christian (still, that’s the lowest percentage in American history). Of course, we are not a Hindu—or Muslim, or Jewish, or Wiccan—nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each other, and eternity.

      the progress is slow ..but good things take time sweetie 🙂

      I have seen many muslims convert to hinduism enmasse ..though that is not exactly what i wanted ..but it is always better to join a dharmic religion that stay in an adharmic one

      //Your own people are not ready to accept Vedas. //

      Even muslims accept Vedas as divine knowledge.The hindus venerate them as final authority on dharma.where do you live? somalia??..go to any madarsa of any repute ..you’ll fin the veads there 🙂 ..read them when you are done with your aayas on houris and pearly bottom boys 😉

      There is no law for you, you will follow the law of Indian Government. But we follow the Law of Allah and it has been successfully implemented. We have law for each and every part of our life. And we dont find any difficult to follow it.

      havent it occurred ever in your naive mind that the rewards of Allah are all after this life ..i.e. everything that Allah promises is after your death !! but everything he wants from you is when you are alive!!

      can;t you see the bluff my dear naive brother?

      Vedas guide on all aspects of life and anybody who follows gets the results while he is alive ..true knowledge cannot be the one that does not show you intermediate results !

      it takes a dumb brain to think that a book of God would have such petty things as farting and potty training as to how many stones are needed to wash your posterior ..potty training is for pets and 7th century desert bandits ..it’s not meant for human beings but beasts 🙁

      One has to qualify to gain knowledge and hence Vedas are prescriptive in nature ..they don;t force you or bind you through outside pressures

      (joke: How can a book that does not give you freedom to fart ..give you eternal freedom .. it’s heights!)

      the bond of the vedas is that of friendship and commitment that rises from within ..for freedom is attained by the inner will power and not by some kathmullah forcing a book down your throat.

      //Come out from darkness to the lightness of Eashwar. I will give one example.
      Prophet Moses brought law to the people of Isreal from God, after he left God sent Prophet Jesus to the people of Isreal, but these people never accept Jesus except few, until today they reject Jesus. And after JESUS God sent Prophet Muhammad (SAW) both the followers of Jesus and Moses rejected him except few. The same thing with you people. You dont want accept a prophet who came after Vedas.//

      If you go through this silly example itself that all these prophets upto Adam are not more than 7000 years old.

      scientifically, human beings have existed on this earth for more that 4 lakh years!

      if you go by those silly abrahmic stories there must be a bigger creator than Allah who created human beings before 4000 bc.

      We don;t believe that God is so weak that he would require an agent to touch base with us ..that’s why we reject the silly notion of middlemen prophets who were illiterate or incestuous tyrants

      the vedas vibrate in every human heart ..the voice within us that tells us that beating your wife is not right , marriage is a sacred institution, slavery is bad, hurting other human beings is bad ..is the voice of the vedas within.

      It’s unfortunate that these silly external books of god have trampled that inner voice of billions of people and the world is in the mess that it is in today.

      these people have suppressed their inner voice for external pleasures of sex,dominance and greed sanctioned by their religious books ..but they will not always be able to suppress it ..one fine day everybody realizes!

      even your prophet realized the perils of marrying a kid when she avenged that act by poisoning him slowly to his death and taking over command of the religion.It’s the same greed that got uthman killed…the karbala killings and to this day the blowing up muslims by muslims …the islamic destiny is here for every body to see and it’s the exact picture of hell that it paints 🙁

      those with commonsense are leaving the violent promise of islam ..It;s just that they cannot publicly declare it for sake of their lives..but soon that is also going to change..the internet is a great medium where more and more ex-muslims are getting united

      //We are seeing a practical examples. And GOD clearly explained about the followers of the previous generations clearly in the Holy Quran. We also been warned by God about the nature of those people towards GOD. We dont see big difference between you and those people. They talk more than you people, you people are nothing infront of them.//

      the practical examples i have shared with you above…that is the destiny of Islam..when it can’t find the kafir it turns against itself.

      communism,ghazawat, crusdaes, nazism all had their own sweet time in history ..but they never succeeded in toppling the world ..Islam must learn a lesson from that before it meets the fate of hitler

      //May Allah show his mercy and show you right path.. Ameen.//

      May Eashwar give you commonsense and courage ..courage to ask the right questions and commonsense to understand the answers to those questions.

      and brother , forgive my blunt response above…you’ll always remain a friend in humanity despite our being on opposite sides of ideologies

      Savehsam Sukhinah Bhavatu

      • (joke: How can a book that does not give you freedom to fart ..give you eternal freedom .. it’s heights!) LOLOL 😀

      • koran gives you freedom to fart. Just take gods name afterwards, After farting say alhamdulillah.
        LOLOL

  23. Dear Brothers,

    I know you dont have answer for my questions. I cannot follow so and so, which does not any authenticity. First get the answers to questions and we can go forward. I think you people are reading Vedas, then why can’t answer to me? They are simple questions. Let yourself prove first, then talk about ISLAM.

    We dont have any hatred towards anyone. It is only misunderstanding by you people. You cannot blame entire community for some one faults. Every community has black sheeps.

    Abdullah.

    • Abdullah Brother everyone is following VEDAS directly or indirectly do you know that vedas is the first book which preached monotheism the concept of one god and not Jews. The great philosophers and historians Aristotle, Megasthenes, Volitaire has told that JEWS ARE REALLY DESCENDANTS OF INDIAN VEDIC PHILOSOPHERS KNOWN AS CALANI TRIBE they were called Jews by SYRIANS, Early Jewish alphabets and Harappa alphabets are very similar IN BIBLE also it is mentioned that KING XERXES whose empire extended till INDIA had Jews as their inhabitants. JEWISH MARRIAGES ARE VERY SIMILAR TO HINDU VEDIC MARRIAGE like 7 rounds around bride or bridegroom.

      See this Jewish website which also tell these things

      http://aumshalom.com/index.html

      SO MONOTHEISM OF ISLAM HAS REALLY COME FROM VEDAS SO ABDULLAH YOU YOURSELF ARE FOLLOWING SOME ASPECTS OF VEDAS

      • Abdullah one more point the most brilliant muslim of india APJ ABDUL KALAM has converted to Hinduism and is following VEDAS and GEETA.

    • @abdullah
      You cannot blame entire community for some one faults. Every community has black sheeps.

      yeah right, I am the black sheep of my community, will you blame the whole community if I indulge in anti-muslim terrorist activities? Well, muslims dont have a copyright on terrorism

  24. Brothers,

    Thats what I said, God of the Vedas is the same God of Quran. I am calling you to follow the final revelation of GOD. GOD given everyone free will to accept him. You dont believe in Life after death, which is eternal, but we believe in the Day of Judgement where God will Judge whatever we did in this world. So we fear to God and trying to act what God commanded to follow. It is up to you whether to follow or not. But we will surely meet on the day of Judgement. And GOD is witness between us.

    Dr.Abdul Kalam.is a common muslim who dont know about Islam, if he might know the truth then definitely he might turn towards God.

    This is the promise of Allah.

    He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse. (Qur’an 9:33)

    Abdullah

    • Brother @Abdullah

      //Brothers,Thats what I said, God of the Vedas is the same God of Quran.//

      Sorry Brother … He is not!

      forget about the Vedas ..the God of Quran is even very different from the God of the previous Abrahmic faiths…and so are the so called second last and last prophets

      Jesus said that even Adults should keep the child inside them alive …while Muhammad said that a girl child is game for sex.

      Jesus was the recipient of violence..Muhammad was a perpetrator of violence

      do they sound like preaching the same religion of God …you know the answer well.

      now talking about the God of Vedas ..he is not for hindus or muslims or christians..he is for whole humanity:

      watch his beautiful message ..no reference to regions,religions nothing ..just pure human emancipation

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXmQ3-Vg1Lo

      Sarvesham Svasti Bhavatu (May auspiciousness be unto all)
      Sarvesham Santir Bhavatu( May Peace be unto all;)
      Sarvesham Purnam Bhavatu (May fullness be unto all:)
      Sarvesham Mangalam Bhavatu(May prosperity be unto all)

      Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah (May all be happy)
      Sarve Santu Niramayah (May all be free from disabilities)
      Sarve Bhadrani Pashyantu (May all behold what is auspicious)
      Ma Kaschid-Duhkha-Bhag-Bhavet (May none suffer from sorrow)

      Asato Ma Sadgamaya (Lead me from the unreal to the Real )
      Tamaso Ma Jyotir-Gamaya (Lead me from darkness to Light)
      Mrityor-Ma Amritam Gumaya (Lead me from mortality to Immortality)
      Om Shanti Shanti Shanti
      Om Peace ! Peace ! Peace !

      The True God (if any) will be for all humanity ..not for a particular gang

      //I am calling you to follow the final revelation of GOD. GOD given everyone free will to accept him. //

      the God of Quran has not given any free will

      read http://Satyagni.com/948/destiny-in-islam/

      reject such gods that take pleasure in burning people in hell by misleading them ..remember only evil forces like Satan mislead..God only guides ..never misleads like a thug

      //You dont believe in Life after death, which is eternal, but we believe in the Day of Judgement where God will Judge //

      who told you that we don;t believe in life after death…

      we just don’t believe that there is just a single life on earth and then there is infinite pleasure or pain after death…it’s not only absurd but cruel and unjust to believe in this.

      how can you call a god just who punishes infinitely for finite mistakes? or rewards eternaly for finite good deeds???? ..

      //whatever we did in this world. So we fear to God and trying to act what God commanded to follow. It is up to you whether to follow or not. But we will surely meet on the day of Judgement. And GOD is witness between us.//

      this i have answered umpteen times..here it is again:

      Every day is a day of Judgment

      A God sitting somewhere preparing the tandoor and arranging houris & pearly bottom boys for his devout fans on the Judgment Night ..is a semi-literate far fetched thought.

      homework is to be done every day …that’s how you do justice to work
      Justice is to be delivered every moment ..that’s how Justice is done

      you must have heard that Justice delayed is Justice denied

      stop believing in UNJUST Gods who wait till the judment day to deliver justice ..they are nothing more than figments of imagination of a deluded mind

      join the path of regular homework and instant justice ..here and now ..not in the hereafter 🙂

      //Dr.Abdul Kalam.is a common muslim who dont know about Islam, if he might know the truth then definitely he might turn towards God.//

      of course ! why not!!!!!??###

      you mean to say it requires the intelligence of illiterate jameel rikshawwallah to understand the greatness of islam …..what match is the dumb doctorate ex-president to Jameel the wise man …right?

      //This is the promise of Allah.//

      it’s only only written in an incomplete, collated and contradictory book that was never meant to be compiled!

      any god asking you to slog here and reward in the hereafter is no different than a cheat who tells you to give all your money to him in this life and that he will return 100 times more to you when you die.

      //He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse. (Qur’an 9:33)//

      Quran is a corrupt compilation of the caliphs ..the prophet never ordered it’s compilation..it’s a political document by uthman..

      Indian Agnostic
      your brother in humanity and your well wisher in reclaiming rationality

      • Indian Agnostic

        YOU ARE A DUMB.

        YOU ARE IN CONFUSION.

        YOU ARE NEITHER THEIST NOR ATHEIST.

        FIRST GET YOUR IDENTITY.

      • @Islam is Great

        oye brother ..slow down yaar ..why typing the same message twice

        it takes brains to be an agnostic..it requires that you must be logical and rational and also ensure that you are not arrogant.

        to be a theist ..all it takes is to close your brain shop and subit to god blindly [that’s not the only requirement by the way ..but most religions this as a good a qualification]

        to become an atheist ..the minimal qualification required is ignorance or arrogance [though some people have analysed all religions and then become atheists ..they are rational and logical but haven’t given up their arrogance :)]

        To become an agnostic with the limited senses and understanding that we have of the ‘whys’ of existence seems to be not so dumb after all

        what do you say ? join me ! 🙂

        you and I can together modify the quran [all religious books need serious modification to become logical, moral and rational] and present a beautiful of Islam ..:)

        even the church has updated their biblein 2008 by copying answers from the vedas
        http://www.yogaindailylife.org/news/catholic-church-acknowledges-teachings-common-to-both-the-bible-and-the-vedas

        So learn some good things bro ..don;t waste your brains by surrendering it to a book

    • //Thats what I said, God of the Vedas is the same God of Quran. I am calling you to follow the final revelation of GOD. //

      Answer my question:

      is God perfect or not? If yes, which is what Quran wants us to believe, then why could not God give his first book as final edition? If God knows everything, what made him change his own theories? This means that God is imperfect.Here, when trapped, the proponents weakly argue that God’s knowledge is same but the application changes from time to time. If that be so, should not a new Quran come now when the world order has completely changed from barbaric middle ages when Quran had to accept evils like slavery, polygamy and gender discrimination?Further, Vedas talk of rebirth. They talk of monogamy. They talk of Law of Karma and refuse belief in Heaven or Hell. They believe that nature, God and soul are beginning-less and endless. Creation and Destruction happen in continuous cycles. These are completely opposite to Quranic view of polygamy, one birth, permanent Heaven or Hell and this being the first and last creation of God that happened in few days a few thousand years ago. I can agree to some extent to future plans being modified by God as part of some grand strategy, but how can even God change the history of universe that had already happened even before Vedas came in Quran, his revised edition of message? Is God so forgetful of what he has already done? If that be so, what is the guarantee that he will not realize some more mistakes and send another edition of his message?

      • GOD IS PERFECT BUT HIS BOOKS HAS BEEN CHANGED.

        VEDAS HAS BEEN CORRUPTED.

        ONLY QURAN IS CORRUPTION FREE.

        SO HINDU BROTHERS ACCEPT QURAN AS THE FINAL AUTHORITY

      • Ok the perfect God is imperfect when it comes to saving his message.

        A God that cannot protect his book ..CANNOT protect you !

        don;t you get that simple thing ?

      • By reading Koranic concept of one life I felt Life is Ek Chalis Ke Last Local if you miss it you will suffer in Judgement day Ticket Collector Allah will punish you.
        [img]http://Satyagni.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/icon_wink-2.gif[/img]

      • .>>>Vedas talk of rebirth. They talk of monogamy. They talk of Law of Karma and refuse belief in Heaven or Hell. They believe that nature, God and soul are beginning-less and endless. Creation and Destruction happen in continuous cycles. These are completely opposite to Quranic view of polygamy, one birth, permanent Heaven or Hell and this being the first and last creation of God that happened in few days a few thousand years ago>>>

        WHO CARES WHAT YOUR VEDAS SAYS. FOLLOW QURAN.

      • @Islam is not Great

        who cares what the Quran says, why not follow the Guru Granth Sahib since it came even later than Quran>???

        shocked, so if you enjoy following final versions, why not follow Guru Granth Sahib???

        We rather stick with Vedas, Ishwar’s one and only and final original revelation.

      • sorry ..my mental faculties are intact ..i cannot blindly submit to a manual that teaches violence against fellow human beings

        even the dawah guys know it best ..they are choosing the right candidates for Islam ..the prisoners in UK and US ..all for the religion of peace 😉

        brother become an agnostic like me ..be rational and enjoy the blessings that humanity and compassion bring to a human soul

      • If I do not… What will you do? or what your God will do? I don’t even care about the eternal Hell fire… So go on as you please.

  25. Al-Quran is the eternal miracle. It is the last Book of Allah sent for the guidance of humanity through the last Prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him (PBUH).

    The Importance of the Quran

    The Quran is considered the eternal miracle of Islam. It is the complete and best guide for living one’s life and seeking Allah’s pleasure The teachings of the Quran are universal, addressed to all people throughout the world regardless of their creed and color. They enlighten man’s soul, purify his morals, condemn all wrongs, order good deeds and call for the establishment of justice and fraternity through obeying Allah as the supreme authority. The Quran provides the regulations that create the proper relations between man and Allah and man and man. It leads man to understand his role in this world, encourages him to think and ponder, and guides him in the usage of natural resources. In short, the Quran provides all the guidance that humanity needs. Without the guidance of the Quran, humanity would still be groping in the darkness of ignorance.

    Compilation of the Quran

    The Quran was revealed piecemeal, according to the needs of the time. Angel Jibrail [PBUH] brought it to the Prophet [PBUH] who would memorize it. Afterwards, it was preserved in two ways.

    First, through memorization, there were a number of early Muslims who would memorize each revelation as soon as it was revealed and thus had the whole Quran memorized at the time of the final revelation. The tradition of memorizing the entire Quran still continues, and a person who does so is called a Hafize Quran.

    Second, the Quran was preserved through writing. Whenever any revelation took place, it was written at once on tablets, palm branches, shorn of leaves, or animal skin. This was done primarily by Zaid bin Thabit, who was the main scribe out of the 42 scribes of the revelation. The Prophet [PBUH] set the order of the chapters under the guidance of Angel Jibrail [PBUH] and ordered his companions to maintain that order. Abu Bakr, the first caliph of Islam, compiled the Quran, and Uthman, the third caliph, made numerous copies and sent one copy to each state capital.

    Eternal Miracle

    Al-Quran is the only ever living miracle. Today no other miracle of any prophet exists. According to a survey, the number of Huffaz (persons who have memorized the whole Quran) today is more than 10 million.
    Millions of editions and copies were printed and handwritten in almost every part of the world. They were also translated into most of the languages of mankind. During the period of over 1400 years since the Quran was revealed, not a single letter was changed. This is one of the greatest miracles of the Quran.

    Whenever we study the various historical personalities of history, we find them to be distinguished in a specific field. However the Prophet’s (S.A.W.) achievements are not limited to one aspect of life, but cover the whole field of human conditions. His personality possesses military, political, administrative, moral, human, social and cultural aspects. Every part of his life is well balanced and on the whole is the model of perfection.

    Yet there are still many who have wrong perceptions of the Prophet. The Qur’an was the main miracle which was given to the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) to prove that he was a true Prophet. Anyone who reads it with an open mind will become a Muslim if they are sincere in their search for truth.

    Furthermore, to believe that he propagated Islam by sword is a clear mistake. It was not through the sword that Islam won a place in the hearts of millions. It was instead, the exalted personality of the Prophet (S.A.W.) that inspired converts. Any political system or ideology that is spread through the act of force is soon toppled as we have seen with the downfall of communism. Known as the greatest peacemaker the Prophet (S.A.W.) undoubtedly followed Allah’s Qur’anic injunction that there should be no compulsion in religion (2:256).

    Compared with other religions, Islam is pure, liberal and rational. It appeals to every age. Unlike the previous Prophets sent by Allah (S.W.T) sent to guide mankind, the Holy Prophet Muhammad’s (S.A.W.) message is not restricted to a certain place, people or time. Allah states “And we have sent you (O Muhammad S.A.W.) not but as a mercy for the alamin (all that exists).” [13] Aalamin infers everything create from the beginning of time till the end.

    The Holy Prophet Muhammad’s (S.A.W.) Prophethood is all encompassing. That is why even today it is the fastest growing religion according to the western media. Even on the day of judgement he will rule through the power of intercession granted to him by Allah. All the needy will beseech and implore him and he will act as the intercessor for all nations and communities.[14]

    • READ THIS AS SATIRE ? NOTHING SERIOUS ABOUT IT 🙂

      ❰Abdullah: Al-Quran is the eternal miracle. ❱

      Correct brother Abdullah..can anyone of the Kuffars boast of such a miraculous religious book that has Satanic Verses in it ..NO!

      Silly kuffars..they must tell their priests and rabbis to first put some satanic verses in their holy books and then compare it with the miraculous quran..right ?

      ❰Abdullah: It is the last Book of Allah sent for the guidance of humanity through the last Prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him (PBUH). ❱

      leave it brother abdullah..these kuffars will never understand. Only us Muslims know the problems of Allah.

      the previous revelations were corrupted by powerful kafirs when Allah was down with fever and could not protect his previous books.But little do they know that in 7th century Allah got hale and hearty and more powerful than the kuffars…he chose the best illiterate man and gave his final incorruptible book.

      Isn’t it a miracle that the illiterate prophet was confirming what others wrote when he himself couldn’t read and write ..Allahu Akbar ..such is the rational power of Allah ..choose the right prophet for the final message for all time to come! hail Quran!!

      ❰Abdullah: The Importance of the Quran- The Quran is considered the eternal miracle of Islam.❱

      Yes it was compiled after the death of his prophet on the order of his in-laws by collecting the revelations from peoples memories, bones and parchments.
      the miracle is not the quran ..but the belief of a billion+ people that despite the shoddy way in which it was collected and the entire human errors and commissions in it’s collection still believe that it is complete & perfect !

      now that’s a miracle ..ainnit?
      i am in love with the quran ..how rational,logical and perfect 🙂

      ❰Abdullah: It is the complete and best guide for living one’s life and seeking Allah’s pleasure The teachings of the Quran are universal, addressed to all people throughout the world regardless of their creed and color.❱

      the kuffars say : ” It was written in old arabic …the script was so un-evolved that diacritical marks had to be added to it in the 11th century …600 years after it’s revelation..that how it achieved it’s completion 🙁 The god of quran minces no words ..he says that he has given a quran in arabic to make it easy for it’s followers to understand..now who would tell this god that 95% followers of islam don;t understand arabic..and thanks to the retrograde principals of Islam, most of these guys don;t even know how to read and write ..just like their prophet 🙁 like prophet ..like followers). The quran shows racial bias by telling all thirld world muslims that quraish are the best and the family of muhammad the best amongst quraish”

      silly kuffars..our beloved illiterate prophet has confirmed that most people in heaven will be illiterate ..who will tell this kuffar that allah doesn’t plan to run a newspaper there.It’s already a great deal to provide all those beautiful virgins and keeping the tandoor of hell burning..who has got the time for the publishing magazines and newspapers in heaven for silly literate people

      ❰Abdullah: They enlighten man’s soul, ❱

      the kuffqar would say :” Yes they ask you to start blindly believing in the unseen and imagine the virgins they would get in heaven along with wine and honey!if this is the idea of enlightenment of soul .,then how is it different from a mafia don’s soul ..who wants all this here and now ..rather than getting fooled into a paradise that nobody has ever seen !at least the mafiosi are not dumb ..they are as cruel no doubt ”

      i would say the kafirs are dumb ..what can be greater for the soul than sex ..for in sex is salvation of the soul .mind you for the men only ..women can watch us perform our soulful activities with the virgins and clap as per the quranic injunction..rest of the males can say wah wah or subhan allah as the sunnah of the prophet narrates..dumb kafirs don;t know any etiquette !

      ❰Abdullah: purify his morals, ❱

      the kuffars would say : “the moment you accept Islam ..you are allowed to marry your daughter-in-law, have a mini harem of four wives and countless concubines, you get inspired to be harsh and violent with fellow human beings ..Ne..kafirs/Musriks ..what great morals ..what are we waiting for !!!”

      haha silly kafir ..he doesn’t know what is missing out on ..it’s such a relaxing mercy by Allah for us muslim males ..enjoy ..after all life is all about sex and after death also it’s all about sex ..so why deny the bounties of Allah

      ❰Abdullah: condemn all wrongs, ❱

      yes bro ..we must remind every devout Islamist that
      being nice to your kafir neighbours is wrong ..Allah gets angry
      being nice to your non-muslim parents is wrong – Allah gets very angry
      don’t ask a muslim brother as to why he beat his wife..it’s wrong ..Allah knows best

      these kafirs hang out with each other treat everybody as equals ..fools ..Allah has made muslims superior to non-muslims ..Say the shahada and a murderer becomes better than Mother Teressa ..what more miracles do these kafirs need if not this?

      ❰Abdullah: order good deeds and call for the establishment of justice and fraternity through obeying Allah as the supreme authority. ❱

      good deed number 1: fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them
      good ded #2: be in a constant war against all the non-muslim world -jihad till the judgment night
      good deed # 3: if the wife doesn’t obey your orders, beat her..( hint: just don’t leave a mark ..but slap to your hearts content)
      well it’s a long list ..but i think it is good enough for any pious just man to join Islam immediately ..aint it?

      [ on a lighter note : even at 80 get a cool virgin child by allah’s sanction..it’s good preparation for the hereafter. start believing in jinns ..forget humanity …it’s temporary and wasteful ..every good thing only comes after death ! subhan allah ..tie that belt around my waist ..Allahu akbar ..my fat wife aint no good ..i want the virgins now ]

      ❰Abdullah: The Quran provides the regulations that create the proper relations between man and Allah and man and man.❱

      the kafir would say: “the only proper relation between Allah and man is that of master-slave and blind-belief ..don’t ask questions ..Allah cannot answer those questions…he tell very clearly in his Quran that if get smart enough to ask questions you’ll probably leave Islam ..so better stay dumb and enjoy the relationship..is that beaaaaautiful !?…..As far as man and man relationship is concerned ..for a muslim and allah both ..kafirs are no men ! ..the world is only for muslim-muslim bonhomie[ which on ground zero is entirely different with muslims blowing off other muslims ]..but the kafirs allah has created just to burn them in hell..isn;t he such a notty kid ?”

      good that the kafir understands that brotherhood is for muslims only ..and what do they mean by humans ..i have never seen one in my life ..it’s all fiction ..there are only muslims and rest all are objects of wild sports

      ❰Abdullah: It leads man to understand his role in this world, .❱

      yes ofcourse ..lets kill the kafirs and take over the world ..and then when all kafirs are subdued lets get rid of the other 72 sects to claim our place in heaven..that’s the role as crystal clear as it gets .Check everyday newspapers if you don’t believe us you kuffars ..we are blowing up every other sect that comes between us and the houris

      ❰Abdullah: encourages him to think and ponder,❱

      the kafirs would say : “the only thing a muslim is allowed to think and ponder about is the houris,the wine, the honey in paradise ..if you start pondering about the completeness of the correctness of the quran or the morality of the prophet ..allah would send your pondering self in the hell fire :)”

      idiots ..why should we think about pollution, poverty,education, equality and all that temporary stuff at all ..we are going to paradise ..hurray!

      ❰Abdullah: and guides him in the usage of natural resources. ❱

      lie,cheat,steal,loot,subdue ..do whatever but win over the kafirs lands ..all land belongs to Allah and muslims ..1/5th of the loot belongs to merciful Allah

      worlds natural resources will be better preserved ..I think all environment ministries should start funding the jihadi organizations for preservation of natural resources by reducing the destroyer of environment – the kafirs

      ❰Abdullah: In short, the Quran provides all the guidance that humanity needs.❱

      the kafirs would say: “yes we have just gone through it word by word 🙂 ..by the way Quran is for Muslims and not humanity ..the kafirs are toys of allah that he will burn in hell forever even if they be good human beings …Allah surpasses the adventures of the worst psychopaths you would have ever heard of :)”

      why do you talk about humanity brother abdullah,, these kafirs are misguiding you by believing in humanity ..humanity is not what we want ..we love death and paradise ..who the heck is worried about life …in life just enjoy the lawful four wives and countless concubines ..that’s the rightful share of muslim men ..women should obey their husbands like good pets do ..and they will also enter paradise ..so beautiful 😉

      ❰Abdullah: Without the guidance of the Quran, humanity would still be groping in the darkness of ignorance.❱

      correct .without the quran where could a poor father in law have gone if he got the hots for his daughter in law ?

      without the quran how could we have jumped so fast to the advanced civilzation of the chimpanzees ..where one is allowed to attack the other chimpanzees , take over their wives and kill their children ..the great moral of the chimpanzee harem would have evaporated had it not been for the noble quran.

      but the world is all wrong ..look at the internet, the quality of life created by the kafirs ! …what match it is to riding on a donkey in Arabian desert ..soon islam will bring back the Utopian world as you can see in afganistan, pakistan and even arabs ..either oil sellers or death sellers ..and in the next 100 years when there would be no oil in saudi and no one alive in afganistan and pakistan …Islam would have ensured that all ignorance is gone for good ..hail the quran

      ❰Abdullah: Compilation of the Quran,
      The Quran was revealed piecemeal,❱

      Ya ..nobody is perfect ..The God was learning on the Job ..right?… according to the needs of the time.

      the kuffar doesn’t even know that times stopped changing after the 7th century ..why do we need another book now ..when time itself has stopped changing ! idiot kafirs.

      ❰Abdullah: Angel Jibrail [PBUH] brought it to the Prophet [PBUH] who would memorize it. ❱

      It’s another matter that nobody saw this angel Jibreel ever apart from Muhammad the man with the telescope ..super man part 0!

      though Muhammad used to forget verses, but this is something we should not tell the kafirs ..shhhh..lets just say that he was perfect 🙂

      ❰Abdullah: Afterwards, it was preserved in two ways.❱

      yes yes ..goats ate it when aisha was mourning the death of Muhammad..but some smart @.. would have read the droppings of the goat ..isnt that a miracle of Allah ..jazak allah khair!

      ❰Abdullah: First, through memorization, there were a number of early Muslims who would memorize each revelation as soon as it was revealed and thus had the whole Quran memorized at the time of the final revelation. ❱

      yes why not ..apart from the prophet …everybody remembered the quran perfectly ..isnt that another miracle of quran ..it’s the memory of the followers that preserved the quran as the memory of the prophet failed him

      hail the imperfect memory of the perfect man and hail 1/2 times the perfect memory of his imperfect followers

      the miracles just don’t seem to end !..still the illogical,irrational kafirs don’t believe the TRUTH

      ❰Abdullah: The tradition of memorizing the entire Quran still continues, and a person who does so is called a Hafize Quran.❱

      Ya it’s recited with the new kuran ..what happened to the old quran or why the old text is not the same as the new ..should not be disclosed to the kafirs

      so what if they are reciting the wrong versions ..at least everybody believes it the right version[ we’ll not tell the kafirs about the sana mosque scripts which are different from today’s quran..shhh]

      ❰Abdullah: Second, the Quran was preserved through writing. Whenever any revelation took place, it was written at once on tablets, palm branches, shorn of leaves, or animal skin.❱

      sorry you missed out bones and hearts of followers which were other perfect sources of preserving the quran

      ❰Abdullah: This was done primarily by Zaid bin Thabit, who was the main scribe out of the 42 scribes of the revelation. The Prophet [PBUH] set the order of the chapters under the guidance of Angel Jibrail [PBUH] and ordered his companions to maintain that order. ❱

      and what is that order ? does the first revelation of quran coincide with the the first chapter of the quran? no! ..but who cares ..both jibreel and Muhamamd were not literate ..might be some indexing problems..even modern authors mess with the table of contents sometimes ..big deal!

      ❰Abdullah: Abu Bakr, the first caliph of Islam, compiled the Quran, and Uthman, the third caliph, made numerous copies and sent one copy to each state capital.❱

      yes ..while muhammad never ordered it’s compilation , umar forced abu bakr to force zaid to collect the quran..don’t you see how smooth the collection of quran was ?

      still you doubt it’s preservation you kafirs ..allah has sealed your hearts

      ❰Abdullah: Eternal Miracle,Al-Quran is the only ever living miracle. ❱

      why not ..declare that you would burn it in USA and three people in India lose their lives for no reason or rhyme

      Isn’t it a miracle that the pastor who falsely declared about burning the quran got a car as a gift by mullahs for withdrawing his move ..while three innocent Indians lost their lives for that piece of paper

      Allah is mighty pleased with the pastor and hell angry with the violent muslims 🙁

      ❰Abdullah: Today no other miracle of any prophet exists. ❱

      You are a brave momin brother …at least you have the guts to say that the quran is the miracle of the prophet and not God !

      ❰Abdullah: According to a survey, the number of Huffaz (persons who have memorized the whole Quran) today is more than 10 million.❱

      this figure may be wrong ..as many poor muslim kids from bihar who are captured by maulvis to do child labor are lured initialize to make them Hafiz Quran.

      what ..you dint know? : read here [but don;t tell the kuffar]
      Lost Children of the Prophet
      http://www.tehelka.com/story_main46.asp?filename=Ne110910Coverstory.asp

      ❰Abdullah: Millions of editions and copies were printed and handwritten in almost every part of the world.❱

      that’s why so many versions were created ..even at the time of uthman ..1 lakh copies were burn to create prophet uthmans quran ..what a great miracle!

      ❰Abdullah: They were also translated into most of the languages of mankind. ❱

      Only to hide the real arabic meaning of the quran ..the non-arabic people read the peaceful translation of local authors [rather than reading from the likes of shakir,pickthall,yusuf ali, hilail, maududi] and then mug up the arabic verses and recite them as if they are doing something spiritual.

      isn’t that neat bro ..soon the whole world will take up the customs of arabian desert ..what a beautiful world it would become !

      ❰Abdullah: During the period of over 1400 years since the Quran was revealed, not a single letter was changed. This is one of the greatest miracles of the Quran.❱

      yes the sana mosque manusript , which is the earliest manuscript available , is different from the new Quran ..but our point is that the new Quran is eternal and unchanged ..the old quran was not eternal..see how easy it is to prove the kuffars wrong !

      ❰Abdullah: Whenever we study the various historical personalities of history, we find them to be distinguished in a specific field. However the Prophet’s (S.A.W.) achievements are not limited to one aspect of life, but cover the whole field of human conditions. His personality possesses military, political, administrative, moral, human, social and cultural aspects. Every part of his life is well balanced and on the whole is the model of perfection.❱

      do you have a slave gal with whom you can sneak into bed with by sending your wife out on false errands? ..if not you are not as good as the prophet at all sir..you need to learn these morals as fast as you can

      there’s plenty to imitate from the prophet , but at least start with the essentials ..Insha Allah rest all good habits will come to you as you become more aligned with the sunnah of the great prophet

      ❰Abdullah: Yet there are still many who have wrong perceptions of the Prophet. ❱

      Correct!

      what’s wrong with sleeping with a virgin child? ..at max she may die ..what else ..or say she may not be able to conceive later like aisha ..but what’s the problem in that too? ..Allah’s law is allah’s law ..enjoy the bounties of the lord.

      and why are these kuffars upset over the marriage of the prophet with his daugher-in-law ? isnt that such a divine thing to do ..may god give such blessings to all momins ..Insha Allah

      and the wife , she better obey or she knows what a momin must do to her to correct her ..he has set many donkeys and camels right by beating them at the right moment ..a slap in time saves nine ..subhaan allah

      what’s wrong with looting other peoples property, killing them and sleeping with their wives the very same day ..don;t you see the beauty of the protection that is being offered by the most perfect moral man that has ever walked the face of the world?

      and what;s wrong with keeping slaves and trading slaves ..it;s good for business and prosperity ..those who oppose slavery are immoral idiots ..hail Islam for it legitimizes slavery through the example of the prophet

      ❰Abdullah: The Qur’an was the main miracle which was given to the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) to prove that he was a true Prophet. ❱

      Yes , how Jibreel crushed Muhammad’s chest untill he got frightened and hid himself under a blanket. That is how Gods angel bless a prophet..by throttling him ..so much so that the prophet attempted suicide 🙁

      then after many years after this incident ..Jibreel started revealing again..i don;t know why jibreel waited so long ..must be some urgent work at allah;s office

      anybody who questions that why did jibreel trouble Muhammad many years before making any further revelations ..just answer ..Allah’s knows best ..isnt that a smart answer ..keep giving that answer to anything you don;t know and in no time you’ll win the debate ..insha allah

      ❰Abdullah: Anyone who reads it with an open mind will become a Muslim if they are sincere in their search for truth.❱

      you just have to open your mind once to decide that henceforth you will remain close minded..rest all the 5 time prayers will ensure that your mind never opens again

      that’s how we let Islam grow on your openly closed minds

      ❰Abdullah: Furthermore, to believe that he propagated Islam by sword is a clear mistake. It was not through the sword that Islam won a place in the hearts of millions. It was instead, the exalted personality of the Prophet (S.A.W.) that inspired converts. ❱

      Correct! ..the beheading the jews and quraish pagans was like the common wealth games of arabia..it had nothing to do with the spread of Islam.

      The prophet always came first in this sport ..it’s wrong to say that he spread his religion by sword ..it’s just that his sporting activities and spread of islam coincided with each other.

      ❰Abdullah: Any political system or ideology that is spread through the act of force is soon toppled as we have seen with the downfall of communism.❱

      everybody is awaiting the downfall of Islam too, along with the downfall of poverty, inequality and violence

      as violence wont die ..Islam wont die .. the kafir just don’t understand

      ❰Abdullah: Known as the greatest peacemaker the Prophet (S.A.W.) undoubtedly followed Allah’s Qur’anic injunction that there should be no compulsion in religion (2:256).❱

      which he declared in mecca when he had three followers ..and as soon as he got powerful in median he abrogated this peaceful verse with Quran 9:5 slay the idolaters wherever you find them .He also asked to kill anybody who was compelled by his conscience to leave Islam …So since there is no compulsion in religion ..such guys were,are and will be beheaded in the future in all Islamic countries.

      see..there’s no compulsion in religion after you are dead ..such a beautiful tolerant verse

      ❰Abdullah: Compared with other religions, Islam is pure, liberal and rational. ❱

      Yes can’t these kuffars see that the sun sets in murky waters , that tress and ants and she-camels speak ..what they don’t even know that allah has a she-camel ..how could allah travel without a she-camel? ..don’t they know that the stars are in between the moon and earth and that Allah shoots some of these stars on devils in the night ??

      silly kuffars ..they don’t know about these highly rational ,logical things that were revealed ..mind you kuffars! ..1400 years ago !!!

      ❰Abdullah: It appeals to every age. Unlike the previous Prophets sent by Allah (S.W.T) sent to guide mankind, the Holy Prophet Muhammad’s (S.A.W.) message is not restricted to a certain place, people or time. Allah states “And we have sent you (O Muhammad S.A.W.) not but as a mercy for the alamin (all that exists).” [13] Aalamin infers everything create from the beginning of time till the end.❱

      how can they forget it, the kuffars..don’t they see how mercifully we slaughter the goats and cows so that they keep dancing with joy of the slaughter for many minutes before they die.

      had we had killed them in one go ..the beasts would not have danced this beautiful dance by the grace of the Almighty Allah who is kind to all beings that he has created from beginning to end..

      hail the mercy of allah ..soon allah is going to grant much greater mercy than these beasts enjoy ..insha allah

      ❰Abdullah: The Holy Prophet Muhammad’s (S.A.W.) Prophethood is all encompassing.❱

      yes ..,he sure lay hand on every beautiful dame he came across in gazawats
      notty notty ..why do you have to tell the kuffars all this bro

      ❰Abdullah: That is why even today it is the fastest growing religion according to the western media.❱

      oh is it so ..but some jealous statisticians show that Buddhism is the fastest growing religion..anyways to hell with the buddhists

      Islam knows how to do away with the Buddhists..It has done so beautifully in india ..with Allah’s mercy many Buddhists heads have rolled like soccer balls in the past ..so need need to get worried about that 🙂

      ❰Abdullah: Even on the day of judgement he will rule through the power of intercession granted to him by Allah. ❱

      Yes ..Allah might not know everything ..he might need someone more intelligent than him to decide the affairs of justice..and hence Muhammad, the one greater than Allah will intercede and teach allah how to do justice

      still you refuse the ;prophet hood of Muhammad the greatest ..?

      ❰Abdullah: All the needy will beseech and implore him and he will act as the intercessor for all nations and communities.[14]❱

      why not, Allah needs to be trained by someone better than him ..and who better than prophet Muhammad ..join the religion of peace, logic and reason immediately

      peace

  26. Brother, Let you follow your own way, It is not right for you blame Islam for your presence. As you said Your Iswar is not Allah. The I can say your Easwar is sleeping. You Eaaswar is helpless and he wants people like you guys to defend for him. So pity. .. You are saying your Eaaswar just to sit on a corner, and we will do whatever we like. And there is no law for your easwar, he might be crying for creating people like you. We dont believe in a Dead God.

    • Brother Abdullah,

      Islam is being blamed , because it must be blamed for the damage it has done(and is doing) to humanity.Every sane,compassionate and rational human being must oppose the violent,immoral verses of the Quran.

      The Irony is that Eshwar cannot be UNJUST like Allah. So any Abdullah who is hell bent on destroying human-unity will pay for his actions like wise and any indian agnostic trying to put sense into an Abdullah will get only as much results as the efforts he has put.

      In short , in this divine dance of consciousness ..there is matter and anti-matter..some good forces and some bad forces..some pro-human and anti-human doctrines. What i am trying to do is to ask you to be the good force and pro-human to reap good benefits for yourself and humanity at large.

      Eswar is not dead…the muslims are paying for their deeds every day.Afganistan is place from where looters and pluderes raided indian soil.Today it’s in such a mess that it survives on selling opium (drugs) .The less said about pakistan the better. Saudi is waiting for it’s down fall (indeed it’s market almost crumbled this year) and in the next 50 years it will lose all it’s oil. Iran is facing a youth turmoil within and international pressure outside. Iranian youth have realized the folly of their previous generation in bringing the retrograde evil Islamic way of governance and life.

      I don’t want my indian brothers to learn this lesson the hard way ..that’s all.Islam will take care of itself.look how they are blwoing each other off in iraq and pakistan.

      Islam is so violent that in absence of kafirs , it starts eating itself.But as a compassionate nationalist brother, i can only advise you to study the impact of islam on thses islamic nations and take a call yourself.The choice is again yours

      and let me state this unequivocally, if you are a good human being despite your religious teaching, i am still on your side.so consider me as friend by your side on all positive human values and on the opposite side on the subhuman teachings of slavery, violence, inequality and hatred based on religion.

      I hate the doctrine brother..not the individual ..you are as much dear to me as any other fellow traveller in this universe

      peace

    • ABDULLAH according to comparative religion and according to many Christian’s own account ALLAH IS A SMALL VEDIC GOD IN VEDAS. ALLAH/YAHWEH/JEHOVAH/JOVE/ZEUS is none other than INDRA.

      Prophet Mohammad told his Allah is same as YAHWEH/JEHOVAH which in turn are Roman God Jove, which Jewish pronounce as Yahweh and Christians as Jehovah, So Allah/Jehovah/Yahweh is none other Roman God Jove/Jupiter, who in Greek is called as Zeus and in India is called as Indra. Allah is called merciful and compassionate like Roman God Jove. Yahweh/Jehovah threatened people with flood and thunder like Jove/Indra. Flood Myth of Abrahmic religion are taken from Roman God Jove where people are wiped for their sins and new breed of new generations of people were created See the below link for further confirmation

      BIGGEST PROOF even Muslims cannot deny is Rainbow is called qawsalla in arabic, which means “BOW OF ALLAH” and in hindi it is called INDRADHANUSH (BOW OF INDRA)

      So ALLAH IS NON OTHER THAN INDRA A SMALL VEDIC GOD

      http://jesus-messiah.com/html/jove.html
      http://seatofgod.com/jupiterbiblicalastrologicalaspects/id21.html

  27. Dear Brothers,

    What ever you understand against Islam it is up to you. i dont see anything wrong with Islam. The time for Islam has come to rise again. Allah given many examples in the Holy qur’an about the people of past and their conversation with the prophets. You can also read them. The conversation with the people of Noah, Hud, Saleh, Ibrahim, Lut, Shuaib, Moses etc. They too talk in the same way what you are talking today. They rejected the truth and ultimately they have been destroyed by Allah. If you think they are stories, let you think the same way, Only the time will tell you what is the truth. You will surely know the truth in future, but it will be late for you. You follow vedas only, God will judge you from Vedas only.

    Abdullah

    • Your 21st century prophet Zakir Naik aka Joker Nalayak still didn’t got permission to enter in UK. If you think Satyagni wrongly understood Islam, then what about britishers? I believe they all are not following vedas.

      UK court upholds Zakir Naik”s exclusion
      http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4550050

      Its not us who are getting destroyed, its the followers of your cult. Look at pakistan, afghanistan, iraq, somalia, sudan…etc.

    • AL-QAEDA TERRORIST Najibullah Zazi is great fan and was greatly inspired by ZAKIR NAIK to wage jihad against AMERICA. He used to see Zakir Naik’s youtube videos and frequently visited ilovezakirnaik website to read articles and was inspired to wage Jihad against America. He was trying to bomb New York subway when he was caught by FBI.

      http://www.zimbio.com/Najibullah+Zazi/articles/H3uj5f_i8x_/Enemy+Within+Dr+Zakir+Naik+Toronto+18+TATP

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Najibullah_Zazi

      ZAKIR NAIK’S MEDIA JIHAD

      Zakir Naik has waged a Battle of Badr against non muslims through his Peace TV which is beamed from ARABSAT BADR-3 Constellation (LOL Battle Of Badr against KAFFIRS through media Jihad)

    • Dear Brother Abdullah

      in so many discussions i have had with you..i find that your inner voice has started knocking on your consciousness ..which is a good sign. Let not this inner voice die..you will be set free if you think rationally, logically and compassionately.

      Believe me friend, No religion or Nation can take over this Land of Heritage and philosophy of the world that we call India. The great Indian Philosophies belong to the whole world..and there’s something magical that keeps it alive.

      When islam attacked persia,byzantine,spain etc. ..it converted the whole local population but could not convert 4/5th of India. Millions chose to die but not change their rich heritage.Millions fought and reconquered lands from these invaders and restored dharma.

      The preservation of Indian dharma and heritage is a human responsibility ..not just an Indian responsibility.

      Ghauri attacked India and took all her wealth to gazni.It was burnt to ashes by another invader.I need not tell you what is the state of afganistan today.The Arabs attacked and looted india and other civilizations.what happened to all the wealth they looted?Muahmmad Qasim died in a sack while being transported off. all gone ..they are just left with oil and a retrograde way of Islamic life..the oil reserves are dwindling and America has millitary base in their lands to check their adventurism.The Mongols(Mughals) are nowhere on the economic map of the world..they conquered so many lands and in the end the last mughal in the chain seen in 1990s was a rickshaw puller in old delhi.The British colonized so many lands..Today they are in a mess and very soon will be the fastest diminishing economy.The Islamic republic of Pakistan chose it’s destiny and everybody knows what destiny awaits the land of pure.

      We are a blessed civilization on a blessed land.Any number of Abdullahs that wish to reduce India into a retrograde arab dabka dancing desert culture WILL NOT SUCCEED. The irony is that you don;t know that This great civilization belongs to YOU as much it does to me. In importing a foreign religion you have imported it’s foreign culture along with it ..and that is something which you have to rethink.

      Indias growth story is hidden in it’s deep rooted democratic, all encompassing spirituality that stems from dharmic religions.It;s growth story is driven by the value of critical thinking, questioning, logical reasoning that’s embedded in our psyche.We openly question our gods and governments and this is the reason why we progress.Unfortunately Islam does not fit the psyche of India, it must be blindly believed in..it is fatalistic..it has no room or respect for other religions ..it is detrimental to womenfolk.

      Having said that, Islam does not mean the common muslim.Just like there could be good or bad hindus/christians/jews..there could be good or bad muslims.We are all human beings..and we have to together find ways of material and spiritual upliftment.Any doctrine that divides humanity must be dropped by YOU AS WELL AS ME. and in this light , i stand against Islam.

      This does not take away the fact that you could be an exceptionally good human being..i am inclined to believe that you indeed are…but when you attest Islam based on your own individual goodness and not the actual teachings of Islam..you will be confronted by people like me.The reason is simple..Islam is a religion that is sold/forced on others depending on the strength of muslims in a population [ for example , islam is sold in India and Forced in Maldives and Malaysia].Now why would i buy a penny worth ideology instead of the pound worth philosophy that i already have ..and it’s in this light that i oppose islam.

      but ideological differences aside, i bet that you cannot deny the inner connectedness between you and me and neither can i.The same thing i can say about tanveer, tauqeer or even @yeah me [when he is not abusing]

      Islam will defeat Islam and nobody else my friend..look at pakistan and iraq..you’ll get your clues.Violence only begets violence..it can never bring peace..it never has and never will.

      Iran has gone nuclear..do you know which country is most afraid of this fact????? it’s Saudi Arabia !!!! [and then the USA which is just opposing it tooth and nail for it’s anti-america rant and position].

      It;s time that you look at the reality on ground every where..the right decision will to you..but most importantly ..let not that inner voice within you die ..because the Truth lies dormant within us..you just have to start trusting it.Right now your voice is that of submission to an external theology …you’ll be delighted when your voice moves inwards where Truth shines far brighter than anywhere else

      peace and all the best

      • By reading your post i remembered few lines of Iqbal from tarana e hind

        ‘yunan -o-mishr-o-roma sab mit gaye jahan se
        ab tak magar hai baqi nam-o-nishan hamara

        kuch bat hai k hasti mitati nahin hamari
        sadyon raha hai dushman daur-e-zaman hamara’

      • Wah Wah @ Roger !

        Iqbal Sahab was a great Poet..unfortunately he too was sucked into the idea of a Utopian Islamic republic and moved over to Pakistan.

        But..i strongly believe that in his heart he was trying to bring humanist reform to Islam [needless to say that he failed 🙁 ]..but here is another gem that he left for pakistan ..pakistan never heeded to this beautiful human appeal he made to pakistanis in his poem that is sung in every pakistani school even today ..but never implemented:

        I bet you’ll cry listening to this song !

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5xxUkLhZe4

        this poem is nationalist, reformist and binds alkl humanity together ..look at the comments section of this video on youtube ..both pakistanis and indians praise the message of this song..because at the core of our hearts we are all human beings ..and we must wish for the emancipation of all

      • Truth alone prevails mr indian agnostic… by d way wats it with u so much attached to india? whats it after all a 10 to d pow of minus infinity in d eyes of Allah d greatest of all.. He is d creator of everythin seen n unseen..india is just a place on dis earth as any other country but Islam is d religion of mankind..

        D u even know u wer a muslim wen ur born after dat u hav been altered so much that u now hav bcom 110% or even higher KAFIR.. just like every dog has its day every Kafir will hav his day thats d day wen u ll scream, beg donno wat ull do infront of Allah.. I know ur feelings as you r reading this, ready to burst out with rotten thoughts but hold it mr indian Kafir b4 u do that i just wanna tell u dat on d J-day wen u r being roasted in fire try to remember me……

      • Namste @truth

        Truth alone prevails mr indian agnostic

        Yes , Truth alone prevails and Islam is NOT the Truth

        by d way wats it with u so much attached to india?

        Just like Muhammad was attached to Arabia , I am attached to India.But unlike Muhammad who killed ,raped and looted every non-muslim , I welcome all religions which respect evrey other religion with open arms to India.

        India is the birthplace of philosophy, metaphysics, sciences, humanity andreligious thought.Don’t insult this great country by comparing it with the theology of desert dwelling caravan looters

        Islam is d religion of mankind
        Islam is the religion of non-manlike kind ! It’s the religion of the blind 🙁

        D u even know u wer a muslim wen ur born
        Lolz..this is the biggest joke. Can me show in your birth documents that you were born with your teeny weeny circumcised?
        did you shout la ilaha inside the womb ?

        ask you dad..he will tell you that nobody is born circumscribed and that all babies cry “uaan, uaan, uaan , uaan” and not “la ilaaha ILL ALLAH ”

        i just wanna tell u dat on d J-day wen u r being roasted in fire try to remember me
        This is my biggest poblem with Islam.It teaches you hatred ..it sure is a religion which fills ones heart, mind and soul with hell ..no peace , no salvation ..just psychotic fear of hell

        May Truth shine on you..because it will indeed prevail ..in spite or despite of you

      • Brother Indian Agnostic

        I am sure this fellow “truth” cant appreciate the truth behind the Shahada which you have highlighted in the capital letters 🙂

        And uaan uaan was just amazing ! If someone is to choose b/w uaan uaan and la ilaaha ILL ALLAH, I would suggest him to choose the former because at least it doesn’t smell any ILLNESS 😉

      • @truth

        we would burn in hell? Looks like your scientific knowledge is a bit weak, oh I am sorry, I forgot, you graduated from Madarsa, only they can provide suck illogical information. Perhaps, you do not know, every member of this site is an AGNIVEER, do you know what that means, AGNI means fire, so we are all warriors made of fire in order to burn and roast FALSEHOOD (Zakir Naik, IRF, Madarsa, fanatic islam). Now, my friend, how can you roast us, we are fire itself??

        Can you harm fire by attempting to burn it? Can you attempt to wet water?

        Although all these words have more in depth defintion but unforturnately your low level of intelligence will not be able to digest it.

  28. A must see by Muslims and non-Muslims alike

    Compelling questions asked by a would be apostate:

    http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Challenge-to-Muslims-Answer-These-Questions-or-I-Will-Apostatize.htm

    Read at Islam-watch.org. I don’t know whether it’s true.

    Just Allah is not God…Mohammad lied about that…Allah is a rock, a moon rock…He was worshipped as a moon god pre-Mohammad…Originally the moon god was Sin of the Chaldee’s…One meaning for ‘Chaldee’ is demon…Ur of the Chaldee’s means ‘light of the demons’, Moonlight/Allahlight….So essentially muslims have been tricked into worshipping Sin, but by another name, Allah. That trickery alone, once it is known, should be reason enough for apostasy

    • amer
      Zakir Naik is always ready with his cameras on when he does his so called debates with scholars (usually unknown to non Muslim world) of comparative religions. But what is the reason that you dont find any video of debate of Zakir with official Arya Samaj apex body, Paropkarini Sabha which challenged him so many times? Or is it that Zakir got defeated 🙁 and thus did not put those videos up on net so that his proud followers claiming him unbeaten dont get disheartened

    • @amer

      Namaste brother amer,

      where have you been brother, have you not heard what is going on between IRF and Arya Samaj since 2004? As far as proof goes, why dont you google search “zakir naik challenged by Arya”, you will see so many sites including a scanned version of an Arya Samaj certificate inviting Naik and his panel of scholars for a debate. For the convenience of IRF, Arya Samaj decied to debate whenever and whereever Zakir Naik chooses. Now, you tell me, even after all these adjustments if a person like Zakir refuses to show up what does this mean? Arya Samaj debated with Abdullah Tariq (mentor and coordinator of Zakir’s Peace Tv urdu) which is uploaded on youtube. You can see that debate by searching in youtube typing in “islam vs arya samaj debate”. So think twice before asking this site for evidence regarding the challenge.

      As brother Vajra pointed out, maybe Zakir Naik was defeated by Arya Samaj and he refused to upload those videos. Besides if Zakir Naik can enslave fake Arya Samaj presidents or Shankaracharyas, he can do anything to deceive people. Why do you think the full video of Zakir Naik and the Maldives guy named Mohamed Nazim is not posted on youtube or any IRF video site? I heard there was an attack from the fanatic muslim side just because he renounced islam publically.

  32. Dear friends
    Assalam-o-Alaikum
    Forwarding the mail received today from the IRF explaining various ways to watch Live Telecast of Zakir Naik’s Public debate on Friday.
    Watch Live Telecast of Dr. Zakir Naik’s Public Debate
    at The Oxford Union , UK ,
    via satellite link from India
    on the topic
    “Islam and the 21st Century”
    on Friday, 11th February 2011, at 7.00 pm (GMT)
    exclusively on Peace TV and Peace TV Urdu
    (or on Mobile wap.peacetv.org or internet on http://www.peacetv.org)
    at 10.00 pm in Saudi Arabia
    at 11.00 pm in UAE
    at night 12.30 am (12th Feb. 2011) in India
    kindly inform others interested too.

    The Oxford Union – a brief introduction

    The Oxford Union, since 1823, is famous for promoting debate and discussion on vital topics of concern, not just in Oxford University but across the globe.

    Dr. Zakir Naik will join a host of internationally famous speakers including current British Prime Minister David Cameron, Former British Prime Ministers Tony Blair, Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill, Former US Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, Scientist Albert Einstein, famous personalities like the Dalai Lama, Prince Charles, Mother Teresa and film stars including Clint Eastwood, Stephen Fry and Pop star Michael Jackson… who have addressed the Oxford Union.”

  33. The whole idea of Islam is based on them saying it was the last revelation and all the previous
    religion was for certain people for a certain perdiod of time.
    But now The almighty has again changed is mind ( maybe becoz of the atrocities commited by
    muslims in the name of God) and bought another revelation in form of Bahai Faith and since
    muslim so dearly wanna follow the latest edition of religion, they should now follow this until
    a new one comes.

    Muslim say all the revelations that came before it are not to be followed becoz its written in Quran
    but I wanna when name of the religion itself is Sanata Dharm means the eternal Law and if u
    dnt knw the meaning of Eternal pls refer the dictionary.

    .

  34. @Everybody Namaste Everybody.

    Over several months of debates with fanatic muslims, I observed their level of knowledge to be a mere joke. After all, they must be Madarsa graduates or some may even be PHds (like Zakir Naik). So before many other innocent muslim brothers and sisters, take admission into this school and graduate, I decided to show everyone a brief outline of the description of their courses so every muslim brother thinks twice before entering their name for admission. The four most common subjects taught in school are Mathematics, Science, Geography, and History. Now I will show you a brief course content of each of these four subjects at Madarsa.

    Subject 1: MATHEMATICS

    Interestingly, all of us graduate from high school having learned Calculus and Trigonometry, But Naik still stresses his students that “2+2=4”, which is right, no doubt, but all this was taught to us at the age of 5, and sadly fanatic muslims are learning it right now, this shows their level of intelligence which is evident from the debates we had with them. Looks like 2+2=4, is the only thing they learnt in mathematics, can someone please teach them the next step, which is 2+3=5?

    Subject 2: GEOGRAPHY

    After graduation, we learn interesting plots of the world like the world having 7 continents, and many oceans. We learn that earth has a very hot core in terms of physical geography. But, what do the Madarsas learn? Mecca is the center of the world, now before you proceed to the next sentence, please sit back and laugh at this claim of Mecca being the center of the world. Interestingly we learnt that earth is geo spherical, but Madarsas claim earth is flat since they claim Mecca to be at the center, otherwise how can a sphere have a center point on its surface?

    Subject 3: HISTORY

    Hmmm, one of my favourite courses, in which we learn the past. Upon graduation, I learn how the great India was once ruled by the terrorist Moghals, and also how they were burnt to ashes by great warriors like Shiva Ji, and Ranjeet Singh, and other good warriors. But what do Madarsas learn, here is a sample:

    -Moses spoke to rocks
    -Abraham was ordered by Satan to slaughter his son, then out of no where Allah messaged Abraham saying do not kill your son.
    -Eve was constructed from Adam’s rib
    -Abraham had incest relations with another woman from whom Ishmayal resulted.
    -Mohammad, the greatest man in history, had 12 wives including a kid wife, and countless sex slaves as per Quran and Hadiths
    -Mohammad split the moon in half.
    -many more that I may be missing since stupidity has no limits!

    These were the historical facts for Madarsas.

    Subject 4: SCIENCE

    Definitely my favourite subject and also my field in which I am studying. We all normal people learnt, Astronomy, Newton’s Laws, Thermodynamics, Biology, Chemistry, Chemical reactions, but now, let us see what the Madarsas are learning in their so called “Science”.

    Maryam, or Jesus’ mother, became pregnant without any male intervention. No questions, its science right, so we have to blindly accept it as a fact.

    Mohammad rode a flying donkey, since what did gravity started acting upwards, from science, we come to know only birds/insects can fly, since when did donkeys start flying? One must be a true donkey to understand this concept, keep it up Madarsas, we need more donkeys in this world, and you people are quantifying the need!!

    Scientific facts are verified by great scientists like Einstein or Newton, but Madarsa PhD heads like Zakir Naik, take testimony of illiterate farmers instead of great scientists. Any thing these illiterate farmers say becomes a scientific fact as per Naik. This is why Naik claims that Plants are concious souls and Plants feel pain the same way as humans. He cites his stupid deaf dumb brother example, wow very scientific Naik!!. Another scientific fact in the Quran, guys get ready now I will give you a scientific claim in the Quran that muslims are highly proud of, and that is THAT WATER FALLS FROM THE SKY IN THE FORM OF A RAIN, now before you laugh, just imagine, that we knew all these things at the age of 2, the first day we experienced rain, but scientific arabs back then needed a divine revelation to tell them this, wow, amazingly scientific!!

    As per Madarsa, the most popular astronomer Neil Armstrong, converted to islam because he heard the Islamic Prayer on the Moon, that TOO IN A SOUND PROOF OXYGENATED HELMET, wow, I would like such helmets which claim to be sound proof and in which you also hear Islamic prayers. Amazing.

    Allah is formless yet He sits on a throne, now we all know the state of matter of a throne is solid, if Allah is formless, will he NOT go through the throne each time He tries to sit on it? Allah is compared to a giant Amoeba, wow, humans, and animals were not enough that they even brought in bacteria to promote islam!! What will they compare next? Mohammad to a paramecium that kept chasing Jewish women as per Quran and Hadiths?

    Thats all folks, the bell has rung, all the lessons of today’s day are complete, so please let me know how was your first day at the Madarsa Institution. Feel free to add something I missed out, once you study these four courses at Madarsa Institution, the result would be all the fanatic muslims that we debate today, and the supreme result is Zakir Naik himself.

      • @roger

        Namaste roger brother,

        yes their comedy rules, but sadly they could have been using this same time to learn REAL math and science instead of Madarsa jokes.

    • @Vik:

      I ROTFLOLed at Interestingly we learnt that earth is geo spherical, but Madarsas claim earth is flat since they claim Mecca to be at the center, otherwise how can a sphere have a center point on its surface? 🙂

      • @KalBhairav

        Namaste Brother,

        there stupidity is seen when they say Mecca is the CENTER of the earth without even knowing that earth is spherical. The only center of the earth is the inner core, but sadly Madarsas will not understand this as they live in a fantasy of their own.

  35. i read some msgs here. realy surpsd!! there most of the information mentioned by SATYAGNI is own created, their purpose is to down the ISLAM & their followers. Those who are commntg about ISALM knowing nothing about ISLAM just reading the untruth lessons from this site, they have no rights to comment like this. Muslims don’t comment like you all.

    If any follower do mistake this should be his fault not Isalm, isn’t it. When all over the world harrasing the muslims, raping, killng, capturing then what comnt comng from you. The Holy Quran is a scientific book which is comes from ALLAH not man made. Every ans of qest you’ll find in Quran and scientific daily life regulations for all of you. ………PLS DONT FOLLOW YOUR FATHER JUST DEFER WITH YOUR RLGN AND TAKE DECISION WHICH ONE YOU WILL FOLLOW.

    dont be deaf, just defer with your relgn and find out whcih one is best then you can comment freely.
    you wnna just follwong your fathers rlg.

    • @Mahmud:

      You are saying we are following our father’s religion. In a sense you are right. Unfortunately, for you though, there was a point in your ancestry when you COULDNT follow your ancestral religion of the Vedas because the invading hordes of Mohammedens said they would rape your mothers, sisters and daughters. In fear you started bowing down to Mecca giving up the rich culture and tradition that was yours and now you are coming to do Dawah to us who remain loyal to our motherland and her culture since time immemorial.

    • @Mahmud:

      I was also surprised to know that without “bowing head before stone Kaba, without believing in superstitions & rituals like kissing black stone& go around Kaba, without believing in miracles, without believing in keeping sex slave, without believing in incest ideology, without inclusion of Human in God prayer” I can not be Muslim & I was also surprised to know that Kasab, Osama, Afjal & other rapist, criminal,terrorist can go into Kaba but Noble person like Mahatama Gandhi, Sokrat, Dalie Lama, Subhas Chander Bose, Newton, Ainstine etc are not allowed in kaba.

  37. 2+2=4, Mr Joker Naik, even 3+1=4 and even 5-1=4 and this is all correct according to the rules of mathematics. if you said all that bullshit in a comedy show, trust me, i really appreciate your sense of humor. if you said all that bullshit in a talk show logically, i would say it is the funniest thing i have ever heard. you are indeed a joker no doubt about it and there are a few guys finding logic in it, i really pity them because they need some serious education. i see what happens when you go to a madrasa for your education. Joker Naik!

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