The concept of Rebirth after this life and births before this life is the central theme of Vedas. However, a new conspiracy has started that claims that the concept of rebirth is not to be found in Vedas and was incorporated in Hinduism much later through Upanishads and Geeta. This conspiracy started with the growth of British imperialism because this was necessary for them to bring Hindus closer to Christianity to obtain Paradise. However, in recent times, now that Islamic rule by sword no more exists in India, thanks to bravery of a whole generation from brave Rajputs like Rana Pratap to valiant Marathas like Chhatrapati Shivaji, this conspiracy has been adopted by modern day fanatic Islamic dawah agents who believe that the only way to achieve Heaven of 72 virgins is by luring people to the fanatic version of Islam.
A modern era preacher like Zakir Naik or Abdullah Tariq, who have their own versions of Islam to spread would start by showcasing similarities between Vedas and Quran. They would highlight on three key points:
• Both Vedas and Quran believe in One and only One God who is to be worshipped.
• Both Vedas and Quran believe God to be formless.
• Both Vedas and Quran do not believe in concept of rebirth.
And then they would continue to highlight how Vedas have got adulterated and hence Quran alone (the latest abridged version of Vedas) needs to be believed in to be a true Hindu.
Especially after the Agniveer movement in recent months, this movement has intensified a lot. This has to happen because Agniveer movement has started a process of erstwhile Muslims coming closer to Hinduism. Further, many enlightened Muslims are questioning their Maulanas and their beliefs increasingly. Conversion activities by Dawah activists have seen a significant drop in urban and semi-urban regions in last few months. Not to mention the growing impact on netizens. The earlier copy-paste from Zakir articles has reduced because now Hindu activists post reply from Agniveer.
Few years ago, Times of India published an article. Titled ‘Namaz and Namo Namah’, it praised a group of Muslim pundits who are masters of Sanskrit and hence well-versed in both Quran and Vedas. The article starts with a very secular outlook and then in passing states that both Quran and Vedas believe in One God and do not believe in rebirth.
While we congratulate these Muslim masters of Sanskrit for love for their foundations, we ask them very specifically:
Will these Muslim scholars of Sanskrit clearly assert that a follower of Vedas, if a good, noble charitable nationalist person, would still be blessed with Paradise by Allah even if he does not embrace Islam or does not believe in Muhammad being a Prophet or refuses to accept Quran as word of Allah or does not believe in Judgment Day?
We all know the answer. Zakir Naik has given it several times – that even the most noble person on earth will have to burn in Hell forever if he or she does not believe in Quran, Muhammad, etc! Now you know what these fanatics mean when they claim that Islam stands for peace!
But, Agniveer considers such articles to be a vindication of the fact that the foundations are gradually shaking. However, to dispel the misconceptions, we would like to equip all truth-seekers with certain critical facts:
(Note: We are referring to Islam as preached by likes of Zakir Naik and IRF. We are not referring to the Islam followed by scientists like Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam and Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy)
Islam does not believe in the worship of One and Only One God/Allah.
In Islam, one has to include Muhammad along with Allah in worship. The Kalama of Islam was created from two different phrases from two different parts of Quran to mean that “There is no God but Allah” and “Muhammad is his Prophet.” You cannot be a Muslim and escape Hell if you recite the first part but refuse to utter the second part. Additionally, you must believe in a million other concepts that cannot be verified or accepted logically – Heaven, Hell, 72 virgins in Heaven, Angels, Haj, Mecca, Namaz, Circumcision etc etc.
Vedas truly believe in worship of One and Only One God/ Ishwar.
As per Vedas, there is no agent needed between you and Ishwar. You have a direct connection. All other people and resources and mere tools to reach Him and one need not remember them during worship. For more details, read my book “Essence of Vedas.”
Islam does not believe in formless God/Allah.
As per Islam, God has a finite shape, and he sits over the 7th sky on top of a throne. He is like a giant amoeba who keeps changing shape and has boundaries. Instead of being formless, he has dynamic but limited form.
Vedic Ishwar/ God is truly formless.
The Vedic Ishwar is omnipresent and hence there is no space vacant of him. He is within and outside everything, everywhere and every place. That is why you need not go to a temple, mosque, pilgrimage or Kaba to seek Him. He is within you. In fact, you are within Him, and you can find Him through your mind by doing noble actions, meditation and enhancing knowledge. For details, read my book “Essential lessons from Vedas.”
Quran clearly believes in rebirth.
Unlike popularly believed, the original Quran has several verses that demonstrate without a doubt that Quran has foundations in the theory of rebirth. Muhammad himself willed to take birth again and again. The only way that Islam can refuse belief in rebirth is by refusing to accept the words of Muhammad.
Here are some Quranic verses on rebirth:
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath:
We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected.”
[Quran 2:65]
Say: “…. Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some he transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped Evil; –these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even Path!”
[Quran 5:63]
When in their insolence they transgressed [all] prohibitions, We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected.”
[Quran 7:166]
Agniveer
The above verses clearly show that Allah gives different bodies to the people as per their deeds. This is merely the concept of rebirth in any religion. The only difference is that Allah takes no time in changing the bodies for the souls whereas all others believe this process to be carried out under relatively slow natural unchangeable laws.
We are not to be frustrated from changing your Forms and creating you [again] in [forms] that ye know not.
[Quran 56:60, 61]
Agniveer
This verse seems to be an answer from Allah to a question, “will you create me in different forms again and again?”
Tafsir e Azeezi contains a hadith in which Muhammad says- “It is confirmed that you have been created to sustain for eternity. It is also confirmed that you die and go to other world every time and you will continue to do so forever”.
How can ye reject the faith in Allah?- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.
[Quran 2:28]
Agniveer
This verse is totally in sync with two main concepts of Vedas. One the uncreated souls and second their cycle of birth and death. The word “ye” is the proof of existence of the entity “ye”, even before Allah gave life to it. If Allah would have created this entity “ye”, the verse would have been “…seeing that ye did not exist and He made you existent…”. This contradicts with the common belief of many Muslims that souls are created by Allah. To hold this verse true in all era and thus Allah to be outside the time bound, “ye” has to be without beginning as mentioned in this verse.
Life after death and death after life in cyclic order is clearly evident from the verse, which is exactly the same as that of Vedic concept of “Punarjanm” or “Rebirth”.
Some people might say that giving life again implies the rising up of dead from the graves on judgment day, but then in that case, Quran will not be eternal as claimed by Mullahs and will become useless after judgment day.
Anything can be said as eternal only when it remains with all its properties till eternity. So, guiding people, being the property of Quran should always be there till eternity. For being so, people to be guided should always be there till eternity. And this verse to become applicable till eternity, there should be no end of this process of life-death-life-death…..
Putting this in simple words, if heaven and hell are eternal, Quran can’t be eternal because this verse cannot be applied on those sitting in everlasting heaven or hell!
Think not of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord.
[Quran 3:169]
Agniveer
Yet another verse, which claims rebirth, leaving no confusion whatsoever
It is We Who created them, and We have made their joints strong; but, when We will, We can substitute the like of them by a complete change.
[Quran 76:28]
Agniveer
Tafsir e Husaini while describing this verse says-“Means that Allah can transform one in better or worse state from now or He may keep same as now”.
The likeness of the life of the present is as the rain which We send down from the skies.
[Quran 10:24]
Set forth to them the similitude of the life of this world: It is like the rain which we send down from the skies: the earth’s vegetation absorbs it, but soon it becomes dry stubble, which the winds do scatter: it is [only] Allah who prevails over all things.
[Quran 18:45]
Agniveer
These verses may not look relevant in the first sight but when looked closely, they present beautiful combination of science and philosophy of rebirth. Everyone knows that water is not created in the skies but it moves in a cycle of vaporisation and condensation. It goes from down to up and up to down. It is mentioned in the verse that when water is no longer there, vegetation gets dried, it means the death. But does water vanish really? No, rather it again goes up and comes down in the next cycle. So, life, being similitude of water, is also in a cycle of birth and death
If someone says that life and death are not cyclic then this verse has to be false as well as non scientific. It will be false because of claiming similarity between water and life and non scientific because of assuming water to be created in the skies instead of remaining in the cycle.
Didst thou not Turn by vision to those who abandoned their homes, though they were thousands [In number], for fear of death? Allah said to them: “Die”: Then He restored them to life. For Allah is full of bounty to mankind, but Most of them are ungrateful.
[Quran 2:243]
Then We raised you up after your death: Ye had the chance to be grateful.
[Quran 2:56]
Agniveer
Both verses talk about rebirth clearly.
It is Allah Who causeth the seed-grain and the date-stone to split and sprout. He causeth the living to issue from the dead, and He is the one to cause the dead to issue from the living. That is Allah: then how are ye deluded away from the truth?
[Quran 6:95]
And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living?
[Quran 10:31]
It is He Who brings out the living from the dead, and brings out the dead from the living, and Who gives life to the earth after it is dead: and thus shall ye be brought out [from the dead].
[Quran 30:19]
“Thou causest the night to gain on the day, and thou causest the day to gain on the night; Thou bringest the Living out of the dead, and Thou bringest the dead out of the Living; and Thou givest sustenance to whom Thou pleasest, without measure.”
[Quran 3:27]
Agniveer
Verses are clear in stating that life and death are cyclic and occur one after another just like day and night.
Some Muslim friends argue that bringing living out of dead and dead out of living mean “living baby from the dead semen” and “dead semen from the living male”. But it cannot be the meaning at all. There is a huge difference between “non living” and dead. Dead implies for someone who possessed life in past but not now, whereas non living is something which has nothing to do with life or death because it had no potential to become alive anytime. For example, pan, paper, fan, etc are never called as dead; rather they are called as non living. So, semen should be called as non living rather than dead. So, it is proved that “dead” the above verses refer to someone who possessed life and again it will be alive. This is what rebirth is!
Has not He, [the same], the power to give life to the dead?
[Quran 75:40]
Agniveer
O my beloved Allah! We know you have the power, but our Muslim brothers and sisters don’t believe! I know you have power to convince them as well, hope You will do it!
The Prophet said: …I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred…
[Bukhari 4.54]
Agniveer
In the end, we would say that could Prophet, who was an ideal person and a role model for his country, a chosen one by Allah, think anything opposite to Allah’s will? If concept of rebirth is anti Islamic and against Allah’s will, could Muhammad wish to get life again and again? Answer is no.
The implications of this is obvious – in reality Muhammad believed in concept of rebirth.
However, after he died, and perhaps even during his lifetime, many spurious verses were added to original Quran to further the designs of his politically motivated companions who were bent on killing each other.
Just think that had this modern Quran been indeed foolproof and final authentic version revealed to Muhammad, was Allah incapable enough to not ensure that the Quran was preserved in written and documented format in Muhammad’s lifetime itself? Why did Allah allow in Lohe Mahfooz to have verses in Hadiths which talk of goat eating some verses of Quran? Why did Allah leave the task of documenting Quran on Muhammad;s followers after his death? And why were they fighting each other if Quran was supposed to preach only peace? Why did Allah kill the Caliph who is said to have compiled modern Quran? In brief, if modern Quran is considered final and foolproof, it would be derogatory to intents of Allah. But yes, Quran does indeed contain many verses of Muhammad and they unambiguously show that he wanted to propagate the concept of rebirth.
We accept that there are many verses in Quran which talk about just one life here and a permanent heaven and hell hereafter. But current Quran is not the same as Muhammad dictated to his Sahabas (companions). It has undergone many interpolations by the so called followers of Muhammad to fulfil their own agenda of ruling the world by hook or by crook. Muhammad always believed in rebirth, which is evident from his wish to get many lives one after another.
Even someone like Zakir Naik also knows this very well. He was asked once whether Heaven and Hell are eternal? He replied that only Allah is eternal and Heaven/Hell will come to end one day. Which clearly means that the cycle will be repeated after that if Allah is just and kind.
We request every Muslim brother and sister to reject biased and unscientific adulterations of modern Quran and come back to the original Quran of Muhammad which guides us to follow only the Vedas, the true knowledge, which is the root of every rational concept of every religion.
Vedas clearly believe in rebirth.
Contrary to mischievous propaganda, Vedas have their foundations in the theory of rebirth. Almost all mantras of Vedas implicitly assume that rebirth happens across various species and situations as per Karma or actions of the soul. The sanskaras or tendencies of mind of the soul is carried from one birth to another and thus, despite we not remembering details of past lives we still continue our progress from the same point where we left past life. This is like we are not remembering when we last sang a tune but can easily do it when situations come. More details, read my book “Essential lessons from Vedas.”
We provide some mantras from Vedas that specifically talk of rebirth:
Rigveda 10.59.6-7
O Blissful Ishwar, Please provide us again healthy eyes and other sense organs in next birth. Please provide us powerful vitality, mind, intellect, valor again and again in next births. We achieve bliss in this life and future lives. May we keep looking up to your glory always. Keep us in peace with your blessings.
O Ishwar, you provide us space, earth, and other elements again and again so that our sense organs function. You provide us the ability to have good health and enjoy life in every birth. You make us strong again and again in various births.
Yajurveda 4.15
Whenever we take birth, may our deeds be such that we get a pure mind, long life, good health, vitality, intellect, strong sense organs and a powerful body. In next life also, keep us away from bad deeds and indulge us in noble actions.
Atharvaveda 7.67.1
May we get a healthy sense and work organs in next life as well. May I am full of vitality. May I have spiritual wealth and knowledge of Ishwar and Vedic concepts again and again. May we be selfless for the welfare of world in next lives again and again. May our deeds be noble so that we get a human life and always get purity of mind and actions so that we can worship you and achieve salvation.
Atharvaveda 5.1.2
One who conducts noble actions obtains noble lives in next births with a strong body and sharp intellect. Those who conduct bad deeds get birth in lower species. To experience the fruits of past actions is a natural trait of soul. After death, the soul resides in Vayu, Jala, Aushadhi, etc and again enters the womb to take next birth.
Yajurveda 19.47
There are two paths for the soul. One path Pitriyan provides birth again and again through the union of father and mother, good and bad deeds, happiness and sorrow. The other path of Devayana frees the soul from the cycle of birth and death and provides bliss of salvation. The whole world reverberates with both these paths. And after both, the soul again takes birth as the progeny of father and mother.
Rigveda 1.24.1-2
Question: Whom do we consider the most pure? Who is the most enlightened one in the entire world? Who provides us mother and father again in the world after gifting us ultimate bliss or Mukti?
Answer: The self-enlightening, eternal, ever-free Ishwar alone is most pure. He alone provides us mother and father again in the world after gifting us ultimate bliss or Mukti.
Hence, it is amply clear that those who claim that Vedas have no concept of rebirth are either fooling themselves or the world.
Quran is not available in an original form, and it is impossible to find original Quran composed by Muhammad.
Quran has been subject to tremendous distortions due to infighting between relatives and followers of Muhammad during his last days and after his death.
Some sects believe that original Quran has 17000 verses which is very close to a number of unique verses in Vedas. In fact, there is no instruction in Quran to call this book Quran alone. Several other names also come which include names used to denote Vedas, Old, and New Testament! It is more plausible than the contemporary belief that Quran actually refers to Vedas as Divine or Heavenly Books. Because many poets before Muhammad also used to praise Vedas. We shall review this in a subsequent article. Also unlike Vedas, there is no logical method devised to protect Quran from distortions. It only relies on memory of those people who escaped being killed by Caliph for reciting a version of Quran that was not acceptable to him.
Vedas are unchangeable and available in the same old pristine format.
In lines with the mathematical genius of ancient Hindus, Vedas have been preserved in a mathematically robust technique to preclude the possibility of distortion of even a single syllable. Even if someone tries to publicize a distorted Veda, that can easily be tracked and rectified. No other book on earth can claim to have such sound methods of protection from times beyond known history. There has never been a time when literature claims that Vedas were being written. The oldest texts of the world with more than 20000 verses is still available in the same unadulterated format as it was originally gifted by Ishwar during the inception of civilization. To know details of this, read the book “Vedas – Myths and Reality.”
Contemporary Islamic philosophy is full of logical loopholes while Vedas are without such loopholes.
Further, Vedas do not force anyone to mug up Vedas but approach Vedas only in a rational scientific manner in sync with one’s spiritual development. After all, there is no scope for anyone trying to fool God by believing blindly in Vedas and saying Tauba or Sorry like in Islam or Christianity. This is because Vedas rightly are based on the foundation that human ignorance cannot be removed all together in one single life and demands rebirth. While Vedas answer all riddles in life and allow the scope to each soul to understand at their own pace, religions like Islam and Christianity, with their insistence on single life, have blatant loopholes in their philosophy. For a snippet, read my book “Test Of Fanatic Ideology.”
While Vedas even accommodate refusal to accept Vedas as divine to progress further, Islamic fanaticism condemns all non-believers, how so much noble, to Hell fire forever.
In light of above indisputable facts, any true seeker of Allah should take recourse to Vedas alone. Times of India should, instead of trying to promote blind faith, extol Muslims to embrace Vedas and concepts of rebirth and One Allah (and no Prophet) to spread peace and harmony instead of wishes of Hell for non-believers.
We must explore how we can join hands the way we were joined as one single family before butchers like Muhammad Bin Qasim, Khiljis, Ghazni, Ghauri, Tughlaqs, Lodhis, Babur, Humayun, Shershah, Akbar, Jahangir, Shahjahan, Aurangzeb and other impotent Mughals, Tipu Sultans, Nadir Shahs, Durranis etc raped our mothers and killed our fathers to create towers of cut-heads to make us leave the Dharma of our forefathers. The remaining gap was fulfilled by anti-national Sufis who fooled people and sided with enemies of the country. And yes, the foolish caste-system that disallowed our Muslim brothers and sisters from coming back home was the last nail in the coffin.
However, we have now removed that nail and are in the mission of bringing our lost brothers back to the glory of our original ancestral home by welcoming them back. We are in this mission not out of any false illusion of a paradise of virgins, nor any petty gains here. We are in this mission to build the bridge to home once again and make the nation and world prosper. We are in this mission to rewrite those painful chapters of history where we forgot the message of Vedas and allowed ourselves to be tortured by our self-created destiny. Yes, we all were an accomplice in this tragedy – those who left home, those who did not call them back, those who fought for the butchers and those who did not support the Shivajis and Prataps. But now is the time to learn from the mistakes and make Bharat the golden lion once again!
And we are into this mission with utmost truthfulness and honesty because they alone are escalators to ultimate bliss – for self and the world!
Conclusion
To conclude, we reproduce an except from Arya Musafir’s amazing poem:
आ फिर से गले मिल के पुरखों को दिखा दें
दो भाई मिलें फिर ये माता को दिखा दें
हाथों में हाथ डाल के फिर से वो ही मस्ती
दुनिया को भी थोड़ा सा रुला दें औ हंसा दे
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@rsdfgg,pahle bhi main kah chuka hu ki mai eshwar ko belief nahi karta balki janta hu.ESHWAR KO KHATA HU-ESHWAR KO PITA HU-ESHWAR PAR HI SOTA HU .SAMJE KUCH ???HA.HA.HA….TABHI TO MERA TARGET FALTU KHATAM HONEWALI DUNIYA NAHI HAI ,AUR NA HI ZAKIR NAIK JAISE FALTU LOG MUZE JO ACCHA LAGTA HAI WO AUR JO BURA LAGTA HAI WO KAHTA HU.JO YE ALLAH HAI WO MERA TARGET HAI.YE MUZE BURA LAGA TO USKI ME KHABAR LE RAHA HU.HA.HA..HA…EX.DETA HU TAKI AASANI SE SAMAJ ME AAYE.DEKH RABIYA NAAM KI EK BAHOT BADI MURID HUI,WO QURAN PADTI THI ROJ.KUCH KAAM SE GHAR SE BAHAR GAYI.TAB USKA JO GURU THA USNE RABIYA JO QURAN KO PADTHI THI USKO DEKHA TO WO HAIRAN AUR BAICHAIN HUA.KYOKI QURAN ME LIKHA THA “SHAITAN SE GHRUNA KARO” TO WO SENTENCE LAKIR SE MITA DIYA THA.QURAN ME BADALAVAT KARNE KI SANSHODHAN KARNE KI HIMMAT KAISE KI RABIYA NE.USKA GURU TO AAGBABULA HUA .TABHI RABIYA AA GAI USNE RABIYA SE KAHA KI TUNE BAHOT BADI GALTI KI HAI QURAN ME .QURAN ME JO LIKHA HAI WO AAKHIRI KALAM HAI ALLAH KA.TUZE PATA NAHI?RABIYA NE KAHA PAR MERI BHI MAJBURI HAI,MAI PREM ME ITANI AAGE JA CHUKI HU,MAST HO GAYI HU KI MERE AAGE AB SHAITAN BHI AAYE AUR DARAYE PHIR BHI MAI GHRUNA NAHI KAR SAKTI.MAI PREM HI KARNA JANTI HU AB GHRUNA MUJSE NIKALTI HI NAHI.AB YE RABIYA TO HUI NA ALLAH SE MAHAN????
@pagal-shankar,
edon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??
kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?
yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?
kiya tune 4 risiyon ko dekha hai? kiya har cheez dekh kar manta hai? hum to sachche logon par bharosa kartein hain. jab eik table khud nahi ban sakti to kiya yeh duniya ban jayegi?
jis ne yeh sara sansar banaya aur iska nizam chala raha hai wohi Allah hai aur woh AHAD hai yeh humein Allah k rasoolon ne bataya hai aur Allah k rasool sachche hotein hain to un par bharosa kiya jata hai.
aqal bhi yehi kehti hai ki do Allah nahi ho sakte… to phir kiyun na mane?
maire sawal ko kiyun nazarandaz kar rahe ho 4 rishiyon wale? aur raj.hyd aur tum dcide karlo ki aryasamajiyon ka kiya concept hai ishwar k bareinmein????
“hi” ya “bhi” hahahha
@rsdfgg,pahle bhi main kah chuka hu ki mai eshwar ko belief nahi karta balki janta hu.ESHWAR KO KHATA HU-ESHWAR KO PITA HU-ESHWAR PAR HI SOTA HU .SAMJE KUCH ???HA.HA.HA….ESHWAR KO KHATA HU MATALAB AANA HI ESHWAR HAI-ESHWAR KO PITA HU MATLAB JAL HI ESHWAR HAI-ESHWAR PAR SOTA HU MATLAB DHARTI HI ESHWAR HAI.
manniy shri jay shankar ji ab ap “hi “n lagakar isme “bhi” lagaiye tab jyada achha rahega jab sab kuch ishwar may hai tab ishwar ann me bhi hai ,aur pani me bhi hai aur sabhi ke mal- mut-rthuk adi me bhi hai !kyoki koi sthan aisa naho hai jana iswar ki satta n ho gande sthan me bhi aur achhe sthan me bhi hai ! aur jo satve asman me allah ki kalpna karte hai vajha matr kalpana hi hai yatharth isme lesh matr bhi nahi hai !
@rsdfgg,pahle bhi main kah chuka hu ki mai eshwar ko belief nahi karta balki janta hu.mera sara jor janane par hai.manana mat,janana.janana aur manana bahot fark hai.ped ko tum jante ho ki mante ho?suraj ko tum jante ko hi mante ho?ha.ha.ha.janana yane bodh manana yani abodh.tum zara janane ki taraf kadam uthao kyo allah ko man rahe ho????ha.ha.ha…..jano to pata chalta hai ALLAH EK MITHAK HAI EK ZUTH IS LIYE TO TUM VISHWAS PAR TIKE HO JANANE KI KOSHISH NAHI KARTE MANO.TUMARE PURKHE MANTE RAHE-UNKE BETE MAN RAHE HAI AB TUM BHI MAN RAHE HO.PAR KISI NE YE JANANE KI KOSHISH NAHI KI ALLAH HAI KYA?TUM BINA KHOJE,BINA ANVESHAN KIYE ALLAH KO MAN RAHE AUR MAN KO DHOKA DE RAHE HO.KAASH DHARM ITNA AASAN HOTA TO AAJ ZAMIN PAR KHUSHIYALI HOTI,PREM HOTA,ANAND KE FUL KHILTE PAR YAHA LOG EK DISRE KI TARAF TALWARE KHICHE HUE HAI.MANO NAHI TO SAR KATWA DENGE.YE AADMI-AADMI KE BEECH DIWARE DHARM KHONE SE HUI HAI.DHARM KAHA HAI? DUNIYA SE DHARM KHATM HUA JAB MANANE SE DHARM KA NAATA JUDA.
param adarniy shri jay shankar ji thik kaha apne sara vivad vishvas par hai aur jahan vishvas hota hai vahi se “avishbvas” ka janm hota hai ! isliye koi bhi chij mankar hargij nahi chalna chahiye ! sabase pahale jano , fir usko manne ki koshish karo aj dharm ek parampara ban gaya hai jo hamare mata pita ya samuday karta hai vah ham sab dekha dekhi karne lagte hai , ishwar ke vishay me jante kuch nahi hai bas manne me age jarur age rahana chahate hai !
manana ya vishwas karna ye dono khatarnak hai.is liye hindu janane ki koshish ka naam hai.Hindu ki sari philosophy jigyasa par aadharit hai.kisi bhi kalpnikata ko is me jagah nahi hai.Tark aur praman yahi do baate vicharniy hoti hai.jab tak aatmbodh na ho tab tak tum khoj karte rahna.khud ko na janana is se badi dusri koi hani nahi hai.is aatma ko hi khoje us ke liye hi sram kare “aatma ! Are wa drastvya,srotvya,mantavya nidhi-dhyasitvyaha” us aatma ko dekhe,sune,manan kare aur usi ka anusandhan karte rahe.aisa karne se tumko aatmbodh hoga.YE ATAMBODH HUA CHITT HI SATYA KO SIDHA DEKTA HAI.TAB WO ESHWAR KO MANTA NAHI JANTA HAI.
ISLAM KI SACHHAI 4- ISLAM ME YE BAATE NAHI HAI1) chitt ya mind aur uske nirodh, thahrna,shant hona is koi gyan islam me nahi hai 2) atmagyan hona aapne andar ke aatma ka sakshat karna 3) sab ki jad man hai ,ye man hi dukh ka karan hai aur man hi avidhya hai.aisa koi bhi gyan is me nahi hai 4) man se mukt kaise ho iska koi gyan is me nahi hai.5) man ki jagrut,swapna,shshupti aur 4th turiya is awasta ke baare me koi jankari nahi hai. 6) panchikaran arthat das indriya aur gyarvaha man,buddhi,antakaran,aahankar in saboka milke jo ye sharir bana is ka pruthakaran karke, akhir me aahankar ko bhi koi jananewala hai aisa vichar karke jo jo jananane me aata hai us se aapne ko alag karte karte phir karan deh,mahakaran deh,sadharan akash ,mahakash,chidakash is ke bhi paar aapne swarup ko janana ye panchikaran me aata hai islam me aisa panchikaran ka gyan nahi hai
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 6- ALLAH IS AN IDOL,HOW ?????READ THIS…
I piss on the Kaaba. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss on the Quran. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss on the prophet Muhammad (may shit be upon his head). I don’t worship him. I
WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss towards Mecca. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. Turn away from shirk before its too late. SMASH your idols to remove idolatry. Come back
to worshiping ALLAH ALONE. Only then the Islamic renaissance will be unleashed. Allah
will again bless the Islamic world for worshiping ALLAH ALONE. Some Mohammedan idolaters and Quran idolaters say ‘if you worship Allah you will
RESPECT HIS message book and HIS messenger’. That is exactly what a Hindu will say ‘if
you worship god you will RESPECT HIS creations, HIS creatures, HIS idols’. Respect is just a
cover for idolatry. Only disrespect can remove idolatry. Allah knows whats in your heart
you Mohammedan idolaters. I once asked in a forum, “Is Allah all powerful? CAN he send
more prophets?” Note: I asked ‘CAN he’ not ‘WILL he’ but the vote was 9 to 0 against Allah. No Mohammedan idolater believes in Allah’s power to send more prophets. Allah is
just a straw god in whose name Mohammad is worshiped. Mohamed is dead, Allah isn’t
dead is he?
@pagal-shankar, is ka answer dene mein dar gaya kiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha
//vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??
kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?
yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?//
“hi” aur “bhi” ka faisla ho gaya kiya?
jab eik table khud nahi ban sakti to yeh sansar kaise ban sakta hai? jisne yeh sansar banaya wohi ALLAH hai. ab samjha yanahi? warna bata……
..yeh sansar kisne banaya? ya khud ban gaya?
ved kiyun nahi phaila raha ? kiya usmein kuch bhi achai nahi mkili humari vedanti ko?hahahaha
@rsdfgg,pagalonke masiha,??? Allah ne duniya banai ye kis gadhe ne tuze kaha???ha.ha.ha.tu kahta hai allah ne banai aur wo ek hai phir ek hi duniya banata,wo khud aur duniya ye alag-alag kaise ho gayi???wo ek hai to duniya kaha hai??? us ke andar ke bahar????ha..ha..ha…jo table ko banata hai wo bina haat ke nahi banata,bina kisi aadhar ke nahi banata to tere allah ne duniya kis haat se banai??? kis aadhar se banai???ha.ha.ha….jab kuch bhi nahi tab banai,ki jab sab kuch tha tab banai??? Ha.ha.ha……agar kuch nahi tha tab wo kaha tha???agar akela tha to duniya ke banane ka kast kyo liya.??? duniya banana ka khayal use kyo aaya,,???tabal bananta hai,aadmi to uska upyog karta hai.allah ne duniya banai to uska kya upyog kar raha hai??? bina upyog ke nirarthak duniya kyo banata????tu kahega ki uski marzi se banai to uske marzi se aadmi paap aur punya bhi nahi karega????ye baar haaj ko kyo bhej raha hai??? duniya allah ki,bananwala sirf allah,akash aur beech me ka sara uska,to ye aadmi kyo uske khilaf ho gaya???agar marzi ho tabhi haaj ko jata hai,bimar pada to nahi jyata to kya bimari bhi allah ne banai kya???ha..ha…ha…..ALLAH EK MITHAK HAI,EK FALSE CONCEPT HAI,DIMAG KI KAMJORI HAI IS LIYE AADMI NE ALLAH KO KALPIT KIYA HAI.ALLAH NE AADMI KO NAHI BANAYA.
@pagal-shankar, tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de hi nahi sakta.
is ka answer dene mein dar gayakiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha
//vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??
kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?
yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?//
“hi” aur “bhi” ka faisla ho gaya kiya?
//tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de nahi sakta// hahahaha
waise tujhe maine yeh to samjha diya ki capital nahi likhna chahiyye. hahahaha
eik vedanti jo na ved parh sakta hai aur na uske satya hone paritna vishws karta hai ki use phailaye?? negative vedanti..
@rsdfgg,paglonke seertaj allah ne duniya banayi ye uske smruti se ki bina smruti se??? kyo ki bina memory ke aadmi kuch samaj nahi pata,bina memory ke aadmi kuch bhi bana nahi sakta ye siddha hota hai to allah ki smrti kya hai??? Allah to akela hai phir use smriti bhi hai agar manana hai to phir kaan,naak,haat,pair bhi mano???ha.ha.ha…bina smruti ke allah ne duniya kaise banai??? pahale ki duniya se to phir wo kaha hai???kya us me bhi muhammad hai?? Kya bhagwan bhi hai??hindu bhi hai???ha.ha.ha…allah ne duniya banai to ek hi baar kyo nahi banai,6 din ka samay kyo lagaya ??? aadmi ko samne rakh kar duniya banai ki khud ko samne rakh kar duniya banai??? Agni,vayu,prithvi,jal,akash ye allah ke haath me hai to is se bana aadmi kyo nahi??? Jab ji chahe bacche janmata hai aur ji chahe marta hai to allah uncontrol kyo ho gaya?? ye allah simit hai ya asimit hai?? Simit hai to kitna aur asimit hai to kitna??ha.ha..ha..
@rsdfgg,pagalonme awwal,tu pahale apne chitt ko saf kar,shudh kar sab vishwas se mukt ho ja swikar kar ki allah ek mithak hai,false concept hai,muhammad ki dimagi soch hai.fir tuze mai ved ka gyan dunga….ha.ha.ha..bina allah ka vichar liye ved ka gyan nahi mil sakta tu quran chod .ved ka eshwar tabhi samaj me aata hai, jab man sahit sari indriya samapt hoti hai.sirf shudh aatma hi ved ke eshwar ko dekh sakti hai. “‘yato vache nirvtrantre mansa sah aanandam brameti vidvan na bhibheti kadachan”‘ tu ye dushit man se ved ke eshwar ko nahi jaan sakta.allah khud dushit raha hoga isliye to us ne gande man ko saaf karne ki baat hi nahi ki??ha.ha.ha….sirf sharir dhone se koi shudh hota to sabun bananewale sabse bade kahlate???ha.ha.ha….
we need to refute all muslims and christians in indian subcontient
Maybe we all should embrace islam and escape hell fire. After all, they are 72 virgins offered to us by almighty pimp, oops, GOD. Who on earth would be stupid enough to reject the offer of 72 virgin houris?? Not to mention free booze and wine… Jus one thing, dun get caught with your parents when your are busy popping virgin cherries!
I am cancellation my subscription to “Times of India” , after reading this article.
Thank u Agniveer.
@raj.hyd
I couldn’t make an apt reply, actually i was busy in studies & due to some uncongenial circumstances I kept you waiting so long, I’m very sorry. Please read completely.
It not honour to kill you just because you’re a non-Muslim. It’s not my aim at all.
Quran says If non-Muslims say anything wrong, in response Muslims should bear this with patience, ignore this, say them salam/peace & say a very good thing –>(28:55) (25:63) (3:186) (23:96) (4:63) (50:39) (20:130).
I was very rude during my last conversation, Sorry 4 that one, because Qur’an doesn’t teach me to behave so.
Qur’an doesn’t say to kill the innocent non-Muslims whereever u find them.
At 1st I’ll give u some items of information regarding surah 9, as the verse is quoted from this surah. There was a reason behind its revolution – I’ll explain In-shaa-Allah.
In 6 Hijri a “Peace Treaty” was made between the Muslims & non-Muslims of Makkah. According to which Muslims & non-Muslims wouldn’t fight with one another 4 ten years & would try to live in a peaceful way. But later on not all but some parties amongst non-Muslims had broken that peace treaty by attacking on Muslims 4 fighting, as a result a number of Muslims were killed. Then Allah revealed the surah 9 in 9 Hijri, in which Allah guided the Muslims that in such a situation what they’d do. Remember there were also such non-Muslims as were remained peaceful & didn’t break the peace treaty. U can read these things in Qur’an as well as in The Authentic Hadiths.
Now I’ll give the thumbnail sketch of the surah 9 so that u may understand the whole context:
— They (non-Muslims) thyself broke the peace treaty 1st so now Muslims weren’t responsible 4 following the rules & regulations of peace treaty (9:7)
— Allah ordered Muslims to give them a 4-month time so that they might repent on their sins (as they killed innocent Muslims) & might maditate on Islam, or otherwise after 4 months the declaration of an open war. (9:2-3) The delaration of an open war was because they broke the peace treaty (9:7), fought with Muslims (9:36), Mocked Islam (9:79), Whished ill to Muslims (9:50) & Phrophet was teased by them (9:61)
The name of surah 9 is “Taoba” meaning “Repentance”. Allah is the most Merciful therefore He gave them a 4-month chance so that they might repent. Subhanallah!
— The Muslims should live in a peaceful way with those non-Muslims who didn’t break the peace treaty & Muslims were responsible 4 following the rules of peace treaty with those. (9:4)
— If any non-Muslim repented on his sin & wanted to accept Islam, Muslims’d leave him & would give him protection. (9:5)
— If any non-Muslim repented on his sin but didn’t wanna accept Islam, Muslims’d leave him & would provide him protection too.(9:6) Their acceptance of Islam wasn’t necessary, Muslims should do good with them because if Muslims’d do good, they’d b ready to listen to Quran without mocking & in a peaceful manner, but still it was up to them that either they accepted Islam or rejected it.
— If after 4 months they didn’t repent, Muslims’d kill them whereever they find them.
— The state of Makkah was under the rule of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). The non-Muslims wanted to turn Him (PBUH) out from the city of Makkah with His (PBUH) followers (9:13), therefore Allah said if such non Muslims didn’t repent, Muslims’d turn them out from Makkah.
Let’s understand the concept of “Jizya” in Islam.
— Jizya is the amount of money or a kind of tax received by the Islamic state “only” from those non-Muslims who live within Islamic country. Islamic state receives it 4 the protection of non-Muslims. So Jizya is a “defensive tax”.
— In 9:29 the Arabic word “Almaskanah” meaning “The residence” is mentioned. Here it means the 1 who lives within Islamic country; will have to pay Jizya.
— This is received not only from the Christians but also from all those non-Muslims who live within Islamic country – The Jewish, the parsi or any 1 having faith other than Islam.
— “Jizya” is paid by non-Muslims while Muslims pay “Zakat” to the Islamic state.
— But it’s not received from the poor, the mendicant, the old, the children, the disable & from those non-Muslims who’re the part of National Army in Islamic country.
— It’s received according to the wealth or status of non-Muslims. Hazrat Umar received 4-drhm from the rich ones & half-drhm from the 1 who wasn’t rich enough.
— Now in modern & civilized age every country receives a number of kinds of taxes from the Muslims who live under the non-Islamic state. So if any Islamic state receives “jizya”, It’ll not b condemndable at all.
In (Qur’an 9:29) Allah said fight those non-Muslims who broke the peace treaty & killed the innocent Muslims unless they wouldn’t repent thyself, wouldn’t live in a peaceful way, wouldn’t pay Jizya thyself (They were not paying Jizya to Islamic state; prophet Muhammad was ruling over Makkah – The Islamic state). The verse does not say that if they didn’t accept Islam, Muslims’d kill them. Notice Qur’an says fight them till they pay Jizya/tax & a good & peaceful citizen pays tax willingly. Jizya is paid by “only” non-Muslims, the Muslims don’t pay “jizya” but they pay “zakat” . So the word “Jizya” clearly shows that they could b remain as non-Muslims but they ought to pay Jizya as a good & peaceful citizen.
So what’s inhuman? Nothing!
U say that Allah is “moody” – If by ”moody” u mean Allah does anything He want, yes He is. But the word “moody” is not suitable 4 Allah at all, as He is the Lord of Heavens & earth. He can do anything He want, as He is an omnipotent being. The one who’s all powerful will definitely do anything He want. Allah is not unjust but still you’re at daggers drawn with Him. You’ve an issue that y did Allah order Muhammad marry more than 10 wives & many other issues like this one – All these’re your lame excuses. The fact is that you’re just an ignorant & an arrogant too, sorry, the purpose of telling u this fact is not mere to condemned u but May b u think to reform yourself because if u don’t reform yourself you’ll regret.
मे इस्लाम मे पूरी आस्था र्रखता हू! मैने पगांबेर का अनुसरण करते हुये 55 वर्ष की आयु मे 6 वर्ष की कन्या से विवहा किया और और उसके 9 वर्ष का हो जाने पर उससे सेक्स किया! मेरे प्रॉफेट ने भी 54 वर्ष की आयु मे 9 वर्ष की आइसा से सेक्स किया था! मैने आपने बेटे की भौ से भी सेक्स किया जैसे प्रॉफेट ने अपने बेटे की बहू जेनाब से किया था! मे अँपने जीवन मे पूरी तरह से प्रॉफेट के कदमो पर चलने के कोशिश करता हू
Dear Agniveer ji
i just want to say that, i was going through ‘rigvedbhashyabhumika’, many places i have read ,” teenon vedon ko”. i just want to ask is why is “teenon vedon” and not “charon vedon” is atharva veda not as important as other ved
To: All Hindus ,
I get this is an Hindus’ website.
I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers.
How do you know if your God is the true God?
How do you know if your religion is the true religion?
Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion?
What is unique in your religious book that force you to believe in it?
Why do you choose to believe in Hinduism as there are so many religions?
Can anyone address to all my questions?
To: Maria (IslamicDefence) ,
I get you are a Muslim, so let me know if you can answer my questions.
I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers.
How do you know if your God is the true God?
How do you know if your religion is the true religion?
Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion?
What is unique in Quran that force you to believe in it?
Why do you choose to believe in Islam as there are so many religions?
Can you address to all my questions?
1)How do you know if your God is the true God?
God is not ours, but belongs to all, so God is true in all religions
2)How do you know if your religion is the true religion?
Our religion is true for us as individuals, but as individuals posess own individual minds and we are not robots, any faith can be tru to the individual. Many paths to God , each path is true for the individual, Hinduism does not pass judgement
3) Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion?
when facts of scriptures come, then full truth of Hinduism reveals itself, but have to question and digest
4)What is unique in your religious book that force you to believe in it?
Nothing forces us, but questioning reasoning leads us to believe, self internalisation of scriptural main points e.g. Karma yoga -selfless service without expectation of rewards:
http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/H%20-%20World%20Religions%20and%20Poetry/World%20Religions/From%20the%20Indian%20Tradition/Teachers%20from%20the%20Indian%20Tradition/Swami%20Vivekananda/Karma%20Yoga/VIII/Swami%20Vivekananda%20%20Ideal%20of%20Karma%20Yoga.htm
5) Why do you choose to believe in Hinduism as there are so many religions?
Due to synchornisation with internal thoughts with scriptures, e.g. karma yoga above
dogra7, thnks for your commnt.
i have nothing to commt on yours
EXCELLENT QUESTION. Thanks for asking…
I think I can prove it beyond a doubt tht hinduism is true. The evidence is so strong – I think it can make atheists hindu. But its a long answer – I’ll reply when I get time.
Until then, please ignore the other answers. Just kidding…
AD, ok i can wait im curious wht your answer will b
Until I show you my ‘proof’, let me tell you why I love your question. Its the same doubt Swami Vivekananda had. It is a very honest question to ask. When he was a student – he went around asking various priests and saints two questions:
1. Do you believe in god?
Everybody said ‘yes’. Then he asked….
2. Have you seen him? Or can you prove that he exists?
And everybody of course said ‘NO’ or gave an indirect answer (like god exists everywhere and I see him in the sun, moon etc blah blah blah), until he met Ramakrishna Paramhansa who said ‘YES, of course I have seen him. I have even talked to him and can show him to you too’.
He didn’t know what to make of the man and wether to believe him or not. Ramakrishna made Vivenakananda promise to come back to him. And like they say – the rest is history…
I of course being hindu believe and ‘get’ these stories and that is why they are very dear to me.
Dear AD, you were going to give me your proof I think you forgot 🙂 You were claiming I’ll convert hahah lol 🙂
Dear Mary
Religion is to give peace and happiness to the humankind. Any part of a religion which divides people in believers and non believers and commands punishment to non believers basicaly defeats the very purpose of religion.
Hinduism is religion which believes God IS OMNIPRESENT, is presence in the smallest particles itself. If God is every where, in each living/non living object, there has to be eternal love, no space for hatred.
You may find many contrdictions in different hindu scriptures, no need to get confused, just see what you like and follow that. There are no set of strict rules, no fixed book etc.
A Hindu is free to go to Churches, to temples and elsewhere because for hime God is one and it can not be different for Christians and Hindus.
And yes, God is not fearful and a dreadful creature like that of Koran!
A Hindu is free to pray to a God which has no shape or he may pray to Krishna with a definite shape.
Pray that and in the way which gives you more satisfaction, because, your satisfaction alone can give you more devotion.
Thanks!
dear yash thknx for reply 🙂 So shud not get confused but just keep on acknowleding the things baised on logic reasonig
Dear Mary
One thing more. There can not be your God and my God. If God is there, it has to be one. The way one interprets may not be the same for other. For example if one imagines God looks like Christ, he will get him in the form of Christ only . If in the form of Krishna then offcourse God is Krishna for him.
However I strongly feel, God can not be defined by a single book and there can not be set of rules between a human being and God. It is like a relation between a mother and child.
However, there has been a trend off late to divide the masses on the name of religion and all.In my opinion it is very very personal, community, country etc getting involved has only political reasons.
@Mary Walker:
Go play with traffic you will find all the answers to all your questions.
Maria,
” Go play with traffic you will find all the answers to all your questions.”
so do you mean to say after death? after death I’ll find all the answers , this is a typical response from religious persons especially from muslims & christians. but i want answers in present life.
Now see , maria without given me any answer you are showing me cold shoulder, aggressively you say I should play with traffic / suicide but dear mate i’m not insulting or degrading your faith but you gave me cold shoulder, to b friendly i want you (if you like) to comment on my question. You are a religious lady so you must have some proper answers. i want to know why & how you believe, your personal experience, why you are content. otherwise ok. good day.
@Mary Waker:
Your words:
Now see , maria without given me any answer you are showing me cold shoulder, aggressively you say I should play with traffic / suicide but dear mate i’m not insulting or degrading your faith but you gave me cold shoulder, to b friendly i want you (if you like) to comment on my question. You are a religious lady so you must have some answers. i want to know why & how you believe, otherwise ok. good day.
Re:
No, no I didn’t mean to suggest you to suicide, that was just a slip of tongue – I’m sorry if my words hurts you. I actually mean to say you will find “satisfactory” answers after your death. I said so because I think you can’t find “satisfactory” answers as you want extraordinary answers. It’d b just like arguing just for the sake of arguments, doesn’t it?
I hope you really want to know how & why religious people belief & their “personal” experience. As i have seen you have posted the same question at different Agniveer’s sites . But sister this is not the way to know truth. It is like crying for the moon. You want us (religious people) show you our own personal experience. But the point is how you are sure of religious people can’t lie, there may be such people who “may be” self sufficient & can lie in order to convert you. Remember you cannot subject to test one’s personal experience. ask yourself, will you accept one’s “personal” experience, I think no you’ll not. So sincere advice ,be rational go study all faiths, if any faith seems to be true, believe in it. Or otherwise the way you choose will always dismiss you. seriously!
But still as you want my opinions, I’ll not disappoint you, I’ll give.
Yours: How do you know if your God is the true God?
Re:
In my opinion the true concept of “oneness” of God can be found only in Islam – One mean only one. Nothing or none is like unto Him, in attributes, actions, decisions. God should be like that, otherwise He’ll not be a God.
I pray to a God I called Him Allah, He helps me, If I call to Allah in difficulties & He helps me, then I ought to believe in Him & His commandments.
I can’t tell God what should He do & what should not rather He should tell (order) me as He is an Omnipotent being , He created me, He has power over me, I’m His slave. I have submitted my will to Allah.
Yours: How do you know if your religion is the true religion?
Re:
I born in a Muslim family. I’m taught my religion is the true one. I listen to the lecture of my teachers, the way they explain every thing, I find this is the true religion while anti Islamic websites make one-sided arguments, they fits everything into their own mean.
I front of me three major religions are Islam, christianity & Hinduism.
I’ll not accept christianity because it doesn’t explain everything,confusing!
I’ll not accept Hinduism because Vedic God doesn’t care if someone believe or disbelieve, He’ll will not punish ( If he actually exist), so I leave it.
I’ll not reject Islam because of some reasons, one is supplication, second one is concept of hell-fire, Yes I’m afraid from hell fire, I can’t practically prove or disprove Hell, I’m worry for myself. 3rd one is I’m studying my faith, it is confusing but the way my teachers explain it seems to be true – Amen.
Yours :Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion?
Re:
Yes. In my past life when I was 13 . Those were moments of my weak belief or I can my belief in god was nearly lost.
At that time whenever I asked myself either I had believe or had not, the answer was “NO, I had not”. I wanted to believe but couldn’t. Actually at that time I wanted to find God, I found no reason to believe in Him.
Then I thought if He exists (as I read in Quran God is all hearing) He’ll definitely listen to me So then I started to pray to Allah,” O Allah, I don’t know either you exist or not, if you’re present & If you’re listening me then give me firm believe”. & then I started to pray to Allah in my difficulties, on thoughting if He exist He’ll help me, Then I felt He helps me. Then later on my believe in unseen superpower became firm “gradually”. It have taken a long time at least “nearly” 4-5 years to resume my faith “completely”.
And now whenever I ask myself if I’ve believe in Allah or not, the answer is “YES”. As I said in the past I wanted to believe but “could not”; And Now I want to believe in Him & I “can”.
One more thing as I prayed to God if He exist He’d give me believe; Now (as i’ve believe) I think He exists, therefore, He gave me believe. Now I’m satisfied.
Your words: What is unique in Quran that force you to believe in it?
Re:
Unique? I don’t know. If something is truth then It should be unique. “Truth” is totally unique either it is a bitter pill to swallow or not.
Yours: Why do you choose to believe in Islam as there are so many religions?
Re:
See answer to question –> “How do you know if your religion is the true religion?”.
Sister If you wanna debate with me then this not the suitable place for “me” , youtube contain messaging system at inbox site. Send me your reply next “in case” if you wanna continue. Because this is an Agniveer’s website , because of many discussion of Muslims, some sites have been blocked by agniveer ( He has a “right” over it, as this is his own website, he want his website to b clean, everyone wants so), I don’t want any more to b block because of me. Due to this Vedantists have to face problem as they too can’t be able to write down on their own websites, it is not fair if because of Muslims their websites has been blocked. You can continue here with Vedantists but If you want me to reply then please reply me here at my youtube inbox site . “https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHLmbwZwqR-O7gArR6FGFow?feature=mhee
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Maria, i hv sent mine via youtube private msg
islam and chrstianity/judaism doent answer anything it is based on fear and blind belief they are just ideas stolen from other beliefs before them you should checkout buddhism,jainism,hinduism,sikhism,zorastrianianism,baha etc these are some of beliefs that are good see if they answer your questions
Hinduagnostic, ok but I’m bored by religion study :/ you studied all gud but im lazy 🙂
i cant help you then i told you what muy views are if you want to accept you can if not then okay peace to you i hope you find the truth with an open mind like i did that
okk jay arya 🙂 thnx
Dear Mary Walker
The so-called word “religious” which you hear is the most distorted word.This word is used for earning money,sex,rapes, and terrorist attacks.We hear that there are many religions like Christianity,Islam,Hinduism etc.They have all different faiths.Islam believes God is on the fourth sky while Christianity believes God is on the seventh sky but they still believe their God is formless.Hinduism worships Gods and Goddesses.But I have no words for explaining the way in which the Indian scriptures have been distorted.Actually,how can there be different types of religions.If the God is one he can’t make different religions.We should obey only the God made religion.But which is the God made?This is a very huge question to answer.It took one and half decade with full of vigour and hard work to Swami Dayanand to know which is the most great religion.
Laziness,unholy etc. are opposite to religion.While Austerity,holiness,honesty are the symptoms of the true religion.I influence you to stand up from your bed and work hard to discover the truth.I am not putting any garbage like some specific cult is great on your head.Discover truth and know the religion.
Don’t think you can’t do but think you can do everything which is possible and you have power to do that.
Never think the concept you have achieved is final but work till the concept itself does not say I am final.
Dear Vinay Arya thanks for ur rply yes i shud give up laziness , but it cause headache 🙂 when i start to study religion as their are sooooooo many religion but i’ll do because its necessary. 🙂
Good that you are going to stop being lazy. It is up to you if you want to explore the tenets of different faiths more in depth instead of randomly coming to different religious sites that you have no clue about nor show that you care, disrespectfully not bothering to read the article where you post your off topic question and hijacking the thread to center around your needs. It is good that you quit being lazy and self centered and disrespectful. You may not find a religion to your needs, but at least you should be a better person at the end of it.
dear jay , yup i got it what u wrote, 1st of al lll read the article & ll never write anything off the topic, thnx 🙂
@hinduagnostic:
Your words:
“Islam and Christianity/Judaism don’t answer anything it is based on fear and blind belief they are just ideas stolen from other beliefs”.
Re:
I had made up my mind I’d never write here but couldn’t help replying ( But I bet this will be my last & final posting on this website In-shaa-Allah). Your post is meant for Mary Walker but as you’re talking about Islam so I have to reply.
“Islam doesn’t answer anything”?
“ANYTHING”? Oh really? Not true. It does – You can “NOT” say It doesn’t answer “ANYTHING”. I agree about many things we don’t know we just know Allah knows best. But it “DOES” answer “MANY THINGS” with logic.
“Islam is based on fear”?
Many including me feel fear but NOT all. Many are careless of Hell-fire they are hoping for Allah’s mercy . But I love Allah too. So my basis is my love with Allah too. And I give priority to my heartiest feeling for my Allah Ta’ala. BUT I don’t ignore hell-fire as I cannot disprove if I cannot prove it.
“Blind belief”?
To all of them who don’t study faith but not for all. If one don’t study Islam in depth one will be always confuse, but if one study Qur’anic words in depth one can find many answers. So the knowledge of verses with context & root Arabic words must be to know the truth. I can say Islam is confusing for me only “If ” I don’t have knowledge, I have been reading the articles by Agniveer these confuse me too, while talking about Islam It’ll not confuse if one have knowledge. All the Hadiths & verses written in anti-Islam websites are mere “translations” , translations are translations & original test is original text. We have preserve original text in Arabic (O, yes I get this (Arabic language) is the unique thing in Islam but as truth is utterly unique either it’s a bitter pill to swallow or not) & in anti-Islamic websites a number Hadith may be concocted or they pic the Hadith which are Za’eef i.e weak in authenticity, more importantly they translate them the way they want.
May peace be on all those who follow the true guidance. May Allah put mercy on all those who follow the false guidance & guide them. Amen!
arabc to english translation is done by your scholors we read them and even if you have knowledge about islam it doesnt mean anything i have studied all main religions and islam and christianity are not true if you want to believe in islam then you can believe
It is a pathetic cop out to say Arabic cannot be translated to other languages. It can and it is every day. What this is is a dodge by Muslims when people read for themselves in their own language the ugly things that Islam writes. Muslims have no rebuttal against people reacting with disgust to the ugly things Islamic scriptures write about. So they lamely say it wasn’t translated well. How dumb of Allah to have this holy words in a language so difficult to translate to other languages around the world. But in truth it is not. It is a weak ploy by Muslims against richly deserved criticism.
yes but the difference is their translations are done by islamic scholors accepted by all and widly read
I am including those translations done by Islamic scholars for Muslim audience in non-Arabic speaking countries. People still react with disgust. What we see is still the ugliness out of Islam. It does not get better. Mohammed married his daughter in law, Mohammed married a 6 year old child when he was in his 50s and then consummated the relationship when she turned 9 and not yet reached puberty. Killing “kaffirs” until Muslims rule over them. That all translates the same.
Koran 9:5 “When the sacred months are passed, kill the kafirs wherever you find them. Take them as captives, besiege them, and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. If they submit to Islam, observe prayer, and pay the poor tax, then let them go their way. Allah is gracious and merciful.”
Arab Muslims are not the only ones who can speak Arabic. Arabs of other faiths speak the language fluently as well. They do not have any language barrier to speaking Arabic and reading the Koran in Arabic. The most successful Arab and Arabic speaking man confronting the disturbing Islamic scriptures is Zakaria Botros. By Islam’s own sacred scriptures Mohammed does not come off well.
“…Botros was quick to respond by saying that it is not he that insults Muhammad but rather Islam’s books. He, once again, insisted that he’s merely a reader, who is bringing to the table what he reads—”So don’t be angry with me!” he says, somewhat tongue in cheek. “If you don’t like it, then go and burn all those books that portray him so and leave me alone!”…” http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/was-muhammad-a-messenger-from-god-or-satan/
Botros is successful in the Arabic speaking world because he can speak classical Arabic and quotes from Islamic scholars. There is no excuse of translation or not quoting from Islamic scriptures. Instead of bolstering Islam, reading it in Arabic and quoting from Islamic scriptures and scholars only gives strength to the criticisms that Muslims cannot refute.
“…First, the new media — particularly satellite TV and the Internet (the main conduits for Life TV) — have made it possible for questions about Islam to be made public without fear of reprisal. It is unprecedented to hear Muslims from around the Islamic world — even from Saudi Arabia, where imported Bibles are confiscated and burned — call into the show to argue with Botros and his colleagues…
Secondly, Botros’s broadcasts are in Arabic — the language of some 200 million people, most of them Muslim. While several Western writers have published persuasive critiques of Islam, their arguments go largely unnoticed in the Islamic world. Botros’s mastery of classical Arabic not only allows him to reach a broader audience, it enables him to delve deeply into the voluminous Arabic literature — much of it untapped by Western writers who rely on translations — and so report to the average Muslim on the discrepancies and affronts to moral common sense found within this vast corpus.
A third reason for Botros’s success is that his polemical technique has proven irrefutable. Each of his episodes has a theme — from the pressing to the esoteric — often expressed as a question (e.g., “Is jihad an obligation for all Muslims?”; “Are women inferior to men in Islam?”; “Did Mohammed say that adulterous female monkeys should be stoned?” “Is drinking the urine of prophets salutary according to sharia?”). To answer the question, Botros meticulously quotes — always careful to give sources and reference numbers — from authoritative Islamic texts on the subject, starting from the Koran; then from the canonical sayings of the prophet — the Hadith; and finally from the words of prominent Muslim theologians past and present — the illustrious ulema.
Typically, Botros’s presentation of the Islamic material is sufficiently detailed that the controversial topic is shown to be an airtight aspect of Islam. Yet, however convincing his proofs, Botros does not flatly conclude that, say, universal jihad or female inferiority are basic tenets of Islam. He treats the question as still open — and humbly invites the ulema, the revered articulators of sharia law, to respond and show the error in his methodology. He does demand, however, that their response be based on “al-dalil we al-burhan,” — “evidence and proof,” one of his frequent refrains — not shout-downs or sophistry.
More often than not, the response from the ulema is deafening silence — which has only made Botros and Life TV more enticing to Muslim viewers. The ulema who have publicly addressed Botros’s conclusions often find themselves forced to agree with him — which has led to some amusing (and embarrassing) moments on live Arabic TV…” http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/223965/islams-public-enemy-1/raymond-ibrahim#
@jay. moolshankar was not the only sanskrit speaking or sanskrit scholar who claims to know the veda. dr. ved prakash upadhyaya had written many books in which he proves that kalki or antim rishi who is eagerly awaited by hindus is prophet Muhammad of Islam . he has altogether different view from moolshankar and he has given a balance view to Hindus. previously moolshankar has given wrong meanings to veda. Moolshankar was the founder of hate monger cult of hindus named aryasamaj.
there are many hindu scholars of Sanskrit who believe in pantheism or many gods. swami vivekanand believe that hindus should faith in crores gods and he has given arguments from veda. no aryasamaji is able to refute his allegations.
it is not the case that there are only hindus who claim to understand veda, dr. zakir naik a prominent muslim scholar prove from his study that veda may be teachings of any prophet of islam from Indian subcontinent . it is his firm belief that Allah never leave any country untouched from hidaya. at later stages veda have been corrupted but still they have prphecy about prophet Muhammad . he always politely invite aryasamajis and all hindus to read their scriptures with understanding and accept islam .no aryasamaji is able to answer him unless mistrabslating veda.
have you got your answer ?
Adamant nature is at the highest level in you anti-agni.Show us where Vedas say to worship many Gods.Stop giving reference of Vedic mantras from other’s commentaries.USe only Maharshi Dayanand’s commentary.fayada to tum logo ne bahut uthaya.ab age dekhna kya hota hai.
@anti-agni
Once again you bring up Aryasamaj and Moolshankar. You are stupidly assuming I have anything to do with either. Since I have not read any works by Moolshankar and Aryasamaj anything you write about them is irrelevant to me as I do not get my information from them. Zero zip nada. It is you who is blindly obsessed with Moolshankar and Aryasamaj and it is you who see things through Moolshankar and Aryasamaj everywhere, not me. Wake up.
Also somehow you think I share your prejudices against polytheism. So what if a faith any faith is polytheistic. It would not make me automatically think Islam is better just because it copied the oneness of God from Judaism.
Zaik is barred from several Western countries from entering such as Canada because of his violent statements. He is persona non grata. He is the last person I would respect so referring to him does not help your propaganda. I’ve seen this fool on You Tube. Not impressed. He says the same garbage as Christian proselytizers about Hinduism.
Muslims also lamely pathetically claim that Judaism and Christianity prophesied about Mohammed. Of all the religions of the world the two earlier Abrahamic faiths should have, but NEITHER do. Judaism only speaks of one messiah. Christianity has no one coming after Jesus who they claim is the Messiah Jews are waiting for. Neither Abrahamic faith prophesied Mohammed. Mohammed by himself, claimed to be the last prophet of the Jews with no scriptural support from either Judaism or Christianity. So what is the excuse Muslims give to explain such an embarrassment? Oh the scriptures of Judaism and Christianity have been corrupted. Notice the same pattern here so now when confronted with another faith they go saying the same thing they did with the Abrahamic faiths. Suddenly Hinduism too prophesied Mohammed and has been corrupted – it does not speak of Mohammed. Islam is the Arabized paganized derivative of Judaism. There is nothing of Hinduism in it. Hinduism would not have as its heir an Arab pagan who knew nothing of any of the Vedic concepts, whose brutal followers would destroy our temples and murder our people in the millions. Mohammed did not fully understand even Judaism which he claims to be the last prophet of. His Islam is a sad inaccurate distorted version of the Jewish people’s faith, Judaism. He had zero knowledge of Sanatan Dharma from a land he never even went to.
All Muslims do is say the older more ancient faith prophesied Mohammed when NOT ONE did, not Judaism, not Christianity, not Hinduism, and they excuse this embarrassing fact by saying the older religions’ scriptures have been corrupted.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2012/11/09/airing-muslim-converts-dream-stirs-trouble/ and Ahmad Al Qataani In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.”- Ahmad Al Qataani In
Difference in Vedic religion and Islam are as follows:
a. Vedas say worship only one God, Islam says apart of worshipping one God, one also has to believe in Muhammad, Angels, Judgment Day, Heaven, Hell even though one never saw them.
b. Vedas say souls take births after births till they eradicate all ignorance through efforts, afterwhich they go to Heaven/ Salvation forever. This is not a palatial place, but a state of ultimate bliss. Islam believes this is only birth and after that there is eternal Hell or Heaven as described in Quran/ Hadiths.
c. Vedas say one should only follow truth after proper verification and analysis. Even belief in Vedas is not necessary unless one is convinced. But Islam says that one has to believe in Quran and other Sunnahs regardless of whether he has understood or not, if he has to go to heaven. So bulk of Muslims dont even know arabic but still have to blindly follow Quran.
d. Vedas is a way of life. There is no concept of believer and non-believers. Everyone follows Vedas in some aspects and does not in other. Depending upon what he follows and what he does not, Ishwar helps soul with appropriate situations to help him realize truth every moment. Even after death the process continues. In Islam, one can enter religion but punishment for leaving is death. This life is supposed to be a test and Ishwar does not help continuously.
I suggest you review all the articles in Vedas section of the site to understand the Vedic concept more clearly. I am sure that will convince you that Vedas is the source for La-Illaha-Lilallah (There is only one God) and rejects even repetition of Muhammad Rasul Allah because God is so powerful that He does not need any agents.
FInally, no one on earth can cite even one single new useful information/advise that Quran brought but was not already there in Vedas.
I welcome you to the way of life of truth and wisdom and peace. It may take time to analyze but if you are guided by truth alone, you shall reach the destiny.
May Peace be Upon you!
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An extract from FFI article (www.faithfreedom.org)
“British Islam-expert and former sharia jurist Sam Solomon told Dispatch International some time ago: Islam is forced to be constantly on the attack because it cannot defend itself. He pointed out that Islam cannot withstand objective scrutiny of its holy scripture and history. If people really take an interest in the Koran’s contradictions and nonsense, Islam’s spokesmen have no arguments. According to Sam Solomon, they are well aware of this fact and must therefore always be on the offensive with threats and indoctrination in order to dissuade people from entertaining any doubt”
Which is why one ploy is to say the translations are not correct and you must read the Arabic. Arabic is translated into other languages every day. No problem. The truth is that Muslims have no argument when the ugly things written in Islamic scriptures are read by people in their own language. The mysticism is gone the ugliness of what it teaches is there clearly.
Instead of hearing from other or looking at followers of any faith, directly go to it scriptures. Try to check it by own self then friend you will find what is right. Read Quran by own , may that true Ishwar who create us all will show you guidance. And 60% of this article are false. Stay blessed
Islam picked-up many traditions which are originally Vedic.
Please refer http://www.hinduwisdom.info/articles_hinduism/208.htm
A beautiful article indeed!
Yes, you’re right! I believe you because I believe that Vedic texts are also texts revealed by God/Ishwar/Allah but at different place, in different language and on different Prophet of God just like Tawrah, Injil and so so.
Islam is not my religion, it is my nation. My religion is God whom you might call Ishwar and I, Allah!
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Stupids, 90 per cent of beliefs you’ve told about Islam is wrong! Islam, do not supports rebirth at all!! You just need to tell everything, Yes no agent is required b/w God/Allah/Ishwar and the believer. The prophet is not an agent but himself the path/connection/love between the believer & the God/Ishwar/Allah.