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BACKGROUND
An alleged pervert who allegedly happened to be a minister in UP government allegedly called Hindu leaders homosexuals. This person has never been in news for a good reason. Earlier he had made headlines when he allegedly called Bharat Mata a ‘Daayan (witch)’ and a rape-victim ‘publicity-seeker’.
Majority of followers of the religion of peace, as always, kept silent on insult of Hindu Gods or leaders. Many enjoyed it. Many liberals argued what is so offensive about being ‘homosexual’. The gay-rights activist in them came in full bloom.
Then came Tiwari, a leader of a Hindu organisation. He replied the minister and allegedly made similar remarks for Prophet Mohammad. Since then, lakhs of terrorists have given death threats to Tiwari. Daily bounties on his head started breaking records of the previous day. Slogans and placards like- ‘Gustakh e Rasul ki ek hi saza, Sir tan se juda’ (only punishment for the insult of Muhammad is the chopped head) would be seen and heard in rallies whose size got bigger and bigger day by day. Processions in almost all cities of India were being held. The sight of thousands of skullcaps and bearded men shouting Allahu Akbar was scaring kids and women in cities. But who cares? All Jihadis wanted was to behead Tiwari.
ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION
In this situation when crores of zombies are against one man, every humanist should have announced full support to Tiwari on the matter. Support, not for his statements but, for his right to make those in a free democracy where
• PK is a super-hit,
• Leader of a political party openly calls mother of Lord Ram characterless, Hindu gods ‘Manhus’ (bad omen) and asks Police to step aside for 15 minutes to kill all 100 crore Hindus,
• Beef-parties are organized because Hindus consider cow as mother.
Why not demand their death before dreaming of beheading Tiwari?
Forget beheading. Slightest attempt to harm Tiwari or anyone for mere statements should be repaid in same currency with interest as per law. Because interest is not haram in Indian law. Logic for logic. Sword for knife. Fire for spark. Cannon for bullet. Both eyes for an eyelid, and entire jaw for a tooth. This is what Pratap and Shivaji taught Indians. But we are in liberal India!
AGNIVEER SILENCES JIHADI ZOMBIE
JIHADI ZOMBIE: Behead Tiwari.
AGNIVEER: This is not 1675 when you zombies beheaded our revered Guru Tegh Bahadur. This is 2018.
JIHADI ZOMBIE: It’s in accordance with our religious law.
AGNIVEER: Keep your Saria-Cement law in your sack. India is not the Arabian Desert. You have problems, go to courts.
JIHADI ZOMBIE: But it’s our Akeeda/tradition to behead someone who insults the prophet.
AGNIVEER: And every Tiwari/Charlie Hebdo is a prophet of every humanist if Jihadis keep threatening them. Now, if you dare touch Tiwari or say bad about him, humanists too will be forced to retaliate. It is our Akeeda/ tradition to thrash those who want to behead our prophets.
JIHADI ZOMBIE: Show me your book which says Tiwari is your prophet. I can show my book which says Muhammad is our prophet.
AGNIVEER: This book is the proof. If it’s not enough, your book too is not enough. Show us video recording in which Prophet said that he is the prophet and you must behead those who insult him.
JIHADI ZOMBIE: No. Book is the best evidence. Video is blasphemy.
AGNIVEER: You can’t set the rules of the game always. For me, the book is blasphemy, only video recording is proof. I can see the video of Tiwari but not Prophet. So Tiwari is a true prophet. Don’t touch him.
JIHADI ZOMBIE: The minister (who insulted Hindu leaders) is one man. If he insulted your religion, then Tiwari should have responded to him alone. Why did he insult prophet in open?
AGNIVEER: Tiwari is one man. If he insulted your prophet, then take him to court. Why scaring lakhs of women and kids with your scary faces on streets?
Whatever he said, it was in response to the minister as is evident from his letter. Response means- IF you mean this THEN I say this. Or if you call me a pig, I will call you swine. It’s between those two. Why are you unnecessarily poking your nose?
If the minister insulted Hindu leaders, Tiwari can’t be blamed for his retaliation.
JIHADI ZOMBIE: Our prophet never insulted others’ gods/prophets. Tiwari did it.
AGNIVEER: I have read all major translations of Quran in Hindi and English. I have checked with my friends who have read translations in 30 plus other languages. As per all of these translations, Quran 98/6 calls idolaters/polytheists as ‘worst of creatures’.
I have read views of all known preachers of Quran. They all agree on one point. ‘An idol-worshipper (Hindu) will burn in Hell forever because idol-worship is worst crime.’ It does not matter what good deeds he has done. It does not even matter if he died saving a Muslim. Unless he quits idol-worship, he is worst of creatures and will burn in hell. Unless he accepts Muhammad as the final prophet, he will be dumped in the fire of hell.
According to all these preachers and translations of Quran, my mother who is both an idolater and a polytheist is worse than dogs and pigs. All my gods like Ram and Krishna are supposed to be idolaters. All my freedom fighters are Kafirs. All my saints are idol-worshippers. They all are ‘worst of creatures’.
I don’t know what is actually written in actual Quran because I neither have a video recording nor did prophet ever explain to me in dreams or reality. But this abuse and hatred against idol-worshippers (Hindus) – my father, my mother, my gods – is what all teachers and translations I have come across present as Quran or message of the prophet.
If this is the version of Quran that dominated the market for last 1000 years and still continues today, let me know who should one punish? One who sent such a book or one who received such a book or one who believes in such a book or one who preaches such a book?
If your emotions got hurt with this, know that mine got hurt a thousand times more because the prophet is just a messenger for you. You don’t even know if he actually said that one should hate idol-worshippers (Hindus). But my mother, Ram and Krishna are God for me whom I worship. So don’t you dare touch my new prophet, Tiwari.
If you indeed want the head of Tiwari, first hold rallies to ban all those translations of Quran that abuse, hate and call for violence against idol-worshippers (Hindus) and portray prophet as an extremist. And confront all those preachers who propagate this hatred against idol-worshippers.
AGNIVEER SILENCES FAKE (FEKU) LIBERAL JOURNALIST
LIBERAL: Error 404 not found. Liberal maintains a safe distance from risky matters, he can only boast on beef, Kiss of love, porn etc.
Oh wait, liberal is here.
LIBERAL JOURNALIST: Stop offending Muslims. When you know they are sensitive to Muhammad, why hurt their feelings?
AGNIVEER: We never offended anyone. What a Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Jew, Atheist believes is their prerogative and not our concern. But we do get offended when zombies hold rallies of lakhs demanding the head of Kalpesh instead of approaching the court. We do get offended when MF Hussain and PK’s ridicule of Hindu gods is considered freedom of speech, but Kalpesh’s views or Hebdo’s cartoons result in the rise of zombies and medical leaves of fake liberals.
Offend? Remember when Hindu groups protested against porn? What did you say? You quoted scriptures after scriptures to prove that India was a porn hub of past. You quoted Kamasutra as if it is the religious text of Hindus. You never thought of religious feelings then. You kept mocking Hindus calling them Sanskari/Adarsh Baalak.
You explained benefits and necessity of porn in a civilized society. Why spare ‘religion of peace’ from necessary benefits of porn? You must be the first ones to provide scriptural evidence of porn dessert from the desert. Why differentiate between sentiments of Hindus and Muslims?
When Hindu groups protested against the revocation of article 377 (which criminalises sexual activities ‘against the order of nature’), you showed homosexuality from Vedas and Mahabharat using some weird translations and fantasies. Can’t you similarly find few verses from Quran now to support homosexuality? Why suddenly is a defence of homosexuality tearing under scare of zombies? If indeed you consider Quran as a noble text, and homosexuality as a matter of pride, why deny this pride to noble Quran? Why differential treatment for feelings of Hindus and Muslims on a matter where they align?
Why don’t you tell Muslims that homosexuality is no sin and being homosexual is just like being left-handed? Why don’t you tell Muslims that it is pure biology which you keep telling Hindu groups while ridiculing them? Why must it be offensive to call any prophet as homosexual as per your arguments? And if it is, why were you publishing imbecile research proving Ram, Hanuman and Krishna as homosexuals? Your dual standards are exposed.
You roamed from town to town organizing beef-parties despite knowing that cow is a mother to crores of Hindus. Weren’t you hurting sentiments then?
LIBERAL JOURNALIST: Don’t compare beef issue with the prophet. A cow can’t be anyone’s mother but Muhammad is a prophet.
AGNIVEER: Who made you judge? Self-proclaimed? Ok, I am also the judge then. I declare you pig. Now buzz off. Shoo.
LIBERAL JOURNALIST: But you can’t blame entire minority community just because of a misguided fringe element.
AGNIVEER: Who blamed entire community? Where? When you were busy covering funeral procession of Yakub Memon, we were crying over the loss of APJ Abdul Kalam, our hero.
Minority or pseudo-minorities? We are in 2018 and not 1947 when Muslims were 7% in fragmented India. The community is now 20% of total population of India, majority (above 50%) in 19 districts, fairly dominant (above 20%) in 86 districts. Have you ever heard a news like this: ‘10 people from minority Hindu, Sikh, Christian, or Jew groups raped/killed a man of the majority community in Pakistan or Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia’ or any other Islamic country in this world? No. The minority that constitutes significant chunk of criminals in jails is certainly not at all a suppressed minority as foolishly claimed by people like you. It only implies that morons like you are strengthening the criminal and terrorist elements in a dominant community of India. And in the process, bringing a bad name to the peaceful elements in the community.
Now, let’s analyse this fringe element theory a bit.
There was the rally demanding the head of Tiwari a few days ago in the city of Muzaffarnagar (West UP), Shiv Chowk to be precise. Now consider,
• One Lakh people attended the rally.
• Total population of Muzaffarnagar city is 4 Lakh as per 2011 census.
• If 20% people in rally came from outside, 80,000 were from the city.
• Muslims are minority in India. Muslims are minority in Muzaffarnagar at 40% (still minorities as per fake liberal standards). So there are 1.6 Lakh Muslims in Muzaffarnagar city.
• Women do not attend Muslim rallies for some gender-equality reason. So all were males in Shiv Chowk that day.
• Number of Muslims from Muzaffarnagar city gathered in rally = 80,000.
• Number of Muslim males in Muzaffarnagar city (assuming males = females) = 80,000.
• Percentage of eligible Muslims attending the rally = 80,000/80,000 = 100%.
Is that what you call fringe?
Almost all Muslim men in the city were present in the rally that day! Now the only way you can prove this calculation wrong is by claiming Muzaffarnagar a Muslim majority city where Muslims are 60%. But in that case, they are no longer minority. That means Indians are being kept in dark about the census and Muslims are in majority in many places. Whichever case is true, it’s a slap in your face.
Malda’s Kaliachak figures are even more interesting. 1.5 Lakh to 2.5 Lakh Muslims gathered to run riots against the minority Hindu community, the numbers are interesting
• Population of Kaliachak Community Development Block 1 = 392,517
• Population of Kaliachak Community Development Block 2 = 210,105
• Population of Kaliachak Community Development Block 3 = 359,071
• Total population of Kaliachak ~ 10 Lakh
• Muslim population ~ 5 Lakh (50% of total population)
• Male population ~ 2.5 Lakh
• Male population (above 15 and below 60) ~ 1.5 Lakh to 2 Lakh
• Percentage of eligible Muslims who attended as rioters in rally ~ 2.5 lakh /2 lakh > 100%
Riots happened in Kaliachak. But if it assumed that rioters gathered from nearby places, it is evident that almost whole male Muslim population (between 15-60 years) of Kaliachak and nearby places was actually rioting that day. And this also proves that census is under-reporting their actual population.
If more than 100% of the official population is fringe, then what makes an isolated event in Dadri a mainstream example of intolerance?
Still not feeling shame, you moron?
LIBERAL JOURNALIST: OK, I shouted so much against Hindu intolerance that I have a sore throat now. I have lost my voice.
AGNIVEER: Reality is that bashing Hindus is a harmless hobby. It is as exciting and daring as first-person shooting on PlayStation. There will be good sound-effects, 3D visualizations but no one will jump out of the screen like ‘The Ring’ movie to kill you. Announcing love of ‘religion of peace’ after every terror attack makes you a hero in your PlayStation gang of GI Joes. And since it now happens every other day, your brains are hard-wired to this heroism.
But you are not a fool to offend ‘peace-lovers’ and risk real death. It takes real guts and true bladder control to stand for truth in real life without getting wet. You are comfortably numb being a Toy Story.
Your voice is loud only when playing video games.
You would be gay-rights activists if a Hindu group opposes Article 377. But would consider homosexuality an abuse if someone links it with ‘religion of peace’.
You would conduct beef-parties even if it offends Hindus to kill their mother cow. But would desist from prophet-cartoon exhibitions because you fear being put in peace forever.
You would claim Karwa Chauth to be anti-woman but Triple-Talaq and polygamy as religious sentiments of peaceful people.
You would sing glories of nudity and condemn Hindus for subjugating women through dress code. But burqas that are medically proven to be the greatest cause of Vitamin D related diseases among women across the globe is fine with you. You will even conduct burqa marches to endorse them.
When an Akhlaq is murdered for unclear reasons, you consider it Hindu intolerance and shout on top of your voice. But the murder of Gorakshak Prashanth Poojary by those who openly declared it an act of religious revenge makes your throat go bad.
When a nun is raped in West Bengal, your voice is at peak because it is a sign of Hindu intolerance. But when the culprits are found to be Bangladeshis from ‘religion of peace’, you catch a cold.
When churches are stoned in Delhi, your throat becomes Bose Surround Sound speakers. When the culprits are found to be petty hooligans from Jamia, you get swine flu and are prohibited from using your voice box.
You start #proudtobleed and ‘expose’ Hindu intolerance against women. But your throat starts bleeding when you discover that in ‘religion of peace’.
Menstruating women are prohibited from prayers, reading Holy Book, visiting mosques, circling the Kaba. You fight for rights of menstruating women in temples but not in mosques. There is a prohibition on even entry of women in mosques without a close relative.
On every count where liberals bashed ‘Hindu intolerance’, peace-lovers are much graver offenders. But your bladder-controlled voice box goes out of service when you must deal with zombies. Fear is the key.
MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT ZOMBIES
Muslims like APJ Abdul Kalam, Abdul Hamid, and Ashfaq Ullah Khan are our heroes. If you are inspired by them, Agniveer salutes you. If you are not, then this is for you. If you did not weep when APJ died but were in the funeral procession of rascal Yakub Memon, then this is for you.
Time is tough. You have been brainwashed by Moulvis, hate literature and their translations. Look around. Every community is prospering except yours. Look at top scientists, engineers, industrialists, economists and professionals. How many Muslims do you see? Now, look at last 1000 bomb blasts in the world. How many Muslims do you see? That speaks all. You pray hell for Kafirs. Kafirs are ruling the world. Can’t you see the contradiction? The only thing you use to console yourself is that afterlife belongs to you. But don’t you think someone who couldn’t compete in the normal world, how would he be eligible hereafter? Your heaven will be full of Jaahil zombies and hell will have all top-brains like Newton, Einstein, Ramanujan, CV Raman, APJ Abdul Kalam, and Abdus Salam.
You are taught to hate Hindus, India, Indian heroes, Indian culture, temples, idols and everything through your books and sermons. If invaders are your heroes, how can others love you? You are not sons of Babur or Ghori. You have Indian ancestry. You are the blood of Lion Maharana Pratap and not of that coward womanizer drug-addict Akbar. Religion is important but if you agreed to live in a secular state, know that nation is above religion. You keep the nation at the top, nation keeps you at the top. You keep nation second, nation treats you as a second-class citizen. It is pure logic, no rocket science. APJ, not Aurangzeb should be your idol. Be APJ, Indians worship you.
Lastly, if you are offended by someone’s remarks, courts are open. Go to courts and get the culprit punished. Bullying is not going to work. That only explains why all terrorists claim to be carrying the flag of ‘religion of peace’.
Trash all translations of Quran that call idol-worshippers (Hindus) as worst of creatures. Thrash all preachers who claim that non-Muslims will go to Hell. Keep religion your personal pursuit. Follow the Quran, if any, that opens gates of heaven to idol-worshippers, atheists, Christians, and Jews. And gates of happiness and success will open for you.
MESSAGE TO ADMIRERS OF APJ
You must learn to defend yourself. No law in the world stops you from self-defence. Pledge that you will never touch someone innocent in action but will never get killed or defeated if others attack. If someone is there to kill you at your doorstep or is holding a gun on your head, waiting for police or army is foolish. Learn to fight back. The rally of lakhs threatening one of you in your country is an insult to your existence. You have been tolerating terrorism for last 1400 years. Say no more to it. Be strong and victorious. Save India, save humanity. Never kill but never get killed either. Strength and unity is the key.
And remember, unless you unite to defend every patriot, you will continue to create Pakistans, Bangladeshes, Kashmirs. Show no mercy on a Ghori like Prithviraj Chauhan. Strengthen hands of APJ Abdul Kalam to bomb away the terror mindset. We are fighting a serious war against terror for 1300 years and it has become really serious in last few years. Your passiveness will burn your home along with rest of the world. Show no soft corner for zombies. It only weakens the APJ and nourishes Baghdadis of ISIS.
Ignore the bellows of fake-liberals. They are coward rats who will get a sore throat and apply for medical leave at slightest risk. They appease the zombies because they are scared of them. They will start appeasing you when they start getting scared of you.
The time for political correctness is over. Time for being APJ has long started.
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About Authors
Dr Vashi Sharma is a renowned scholar of religions, extremism, history, Islamic invasions and an expert on de-radicalisation. He is an eloquent author, poet, prose writer, speaker and a scientist. He has written several books in English and Hindi on Islamic extremism, history and motivation. An alumnus of IIT Bombay, Dr Vashi has been the faculty at IIT Kanpur and is the recipient of prestigious Award from Government of India for Scientific Research. He has also published many world class researches in peer-reviewed Scientific Journals of international repute. He is currently the head of Agniveer.
Sanjeev Newar is an alumnus of IIT Guwahati and IIM Calcutta. He is an author, speaker and entrepreneur. He is also a data scientist. Sanjeev has written several popular books on Dharma, self-help, and analysis of religions. He is founder of Agniveer. He works tirelessly for social equality, women and child rights, and a cruelty-free world. He was awarded Neelkantha Award for his contribution to social empowerment.
Disclaimer
This post is based on translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.
We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are a few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars are considered Kafirs and are condemned by the dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply this dominant elite of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.
Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.
Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of the post.
Nowhere should they assume that words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.
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@Agniveer
You put me ban here to comment from my ID [email protected] because
I had asked a Question whether you have read Yog Darshan in your life? Do you do Upasana both times daily?
I agree my language may not be proper. But ban me on this is too much. Please allow me to comment.
and facebook page also of agniveer
@Vishal
1. Ids dont matter much when you comment as they dont appear in first place. Its the name that appears. And you are still commenting on the page proves there is no ban on you. Our automatic moderation tool bans abusive, threatening and spamming ids. Make sure you don’t resort to any of these.
2. How are your questions even slightly related to the post? No surprise that you can be banned for spamming.
3. You made your comment which shows you are allowed to comment. Don’t make stories.
4. Language must be decent or else you will have to leave the page.
Mr.Vashi,you say language must be decent or else you’ll have to leave,then i think you should leave agniveer because you yourself use abusive words.to you those protesters are terrorists,why protesting is undemocratic,if yes then you should call freedomfighters terrorists.
IF JNU Students have right to abuse country because of democracy why to question on Agniveer and Kamlesh Tiwari?
Wonderful Vashi and Sanjeev!
We all are with you. Just reading about Bhagat Singh, Maharana Partap, Shivaji do not make us Heroes. We need to learn from them and stand for truth and justice no matter what, it makes us heroes. I salute to both of you and we all support you!
Good luck to India where muslims can openly organize a big rally to announce to behead a hindu person. It can never happen in USA. Islam is not a peaceful religion. It is a death cult. Now world is realizing its true nature and trying its best to avoid it.
A brilliant, bold take on factuals.Pseudo secularists and jehadists have had a free run, but no more. Spread this article in all groups and medium.
No, news channel except Znews covered Malda violence seriously. Why Hindus are enemy of their own people and country.
No, news channel except Znews covered Malda violence seriously. Why Hindus are enemy of their own people and country.
Note: Again I am commenting from different ID because my comment does not publish when I give my ID in email.
We have not blocked any IDs. It may be blocked by Akismet anti-spam engine of wordpress. That is beyond our control.
Many enlightened Muslims know Islam & Quran totally false. It has nothing to do with religion.
But they do not want to come in Hinduism because know Hinduism also another false ideology regarding God. They remain in confusion & silence all in their life.
They know that Muhammad was too egoistic that he said in Quran 9.5 Kill the Idolaters, Polytheist if they do not accept him as prophet and Allah as God but forgive them after taking Zaziya money if they accept him, because Allah is too merciful.
Hinduism is the true religion. There is no confusion regarding concept of God. Just that all does not understand Hindu concept of God.
God alone is absolute truth, only existing entity and absolute reality. Universe , time and space is illusion. Now if you think universe is real then God is everywhere. Like water in ocean, cotton in cloth, mud in earthern pot; God is everywhere. God is present in your house too. God is in living room, bedroom and kitchen too. Not part of God but God wholly is present in living room ,kitchen , bedroom, etc etc. So is there are infinite Gods? No only one God
“Om poornamadah poornamidam poornaat poornamudachyate”
Meaning :- Om, That is complete, This is complete, From the completeness comes the completeness
“Poornasya poornamaadaaya poornamevaavashishṣyate”
If completeness is taken away from completeness, Only completeness remains
which again means
part of God is also full God. infinity – infinity may be “undefined”. But Vedas says God -God is also God.
Jeevatma (individual souls or Self (I) of us = paramatma (soul of Durga, Shiva, Vishnu) = ParaBrahmam (GOD)
this is absolute monism . Hinduism is not monotheism, henotheism or polytheism.
So Lord Krishna , is fully aware of nature of self(I am none other than para brahmam), hence he is worshipped as God.He does not associate him with body and mind. But we bhaktas ignorant ones, some time consider Lord Krishna as a charming boy holding butter and flute with a blue body
Now partial incarnations of God (amsa avatara) are God soul but they some times forget the true nature of self. Example is Adi Sankara himself a partial incarnation of Lord Shiva.
One more difference, we are born with prarabdha (sins and good merits from previous births) avataras are not born with any sins but for fulfilling a purpose. When there is no sin for a person he will be automatically enlightened too.
I have respect for all 6 philosophies-nyaya,vyseshika, vedanta,meemamsa, yoga and sankhya. All of them asks us to get rid of our sins to attain enlightentment and moksha. All of them ask us to follow varna and ashrama(brahmachanrya, grihastha, vanaprastha and sanyas) dharma and rituals correctly to avoid being sinful
But there are 3 categories of modern Swamis and babas who represent fake Hindusim
1) Yoga and meditation:- Well yoga is good to attain physical and mental discipline , but no where Patanjali in his “Yoga sutra” says we can omit performance of varna and ashrama dharma and simply meditate (what? fog??fire? light?? or nothingness) and attain salvation
2) Some fake vedantis who quote AdiSankara and says we can meditate brahmam. Sankaracharya in his commentary of isavasyopanishad asks us to take avidya (Agnihotradi or rituals) and vidya(devata upasana= worship of Gods, demigods) simultaneously. He asked disciples to worship God with form until we have sins and attachment with body
3) With all respect to great Dayanand Saraswati, who tirelessly worked for spread of Vedas, some modern aryasamajis asks every one to perform vedic rituals. i had a debate with vedmandir and swami ramswarup. he didnt provide me proper answers to my queries. His beleif is more or less like islam. God is one, idol worhip is shirk and there are finite number of souls in this world. Also he beleives in permanent heaven and hell
Beware of above people and follow traditional Hinduism your ancestors followed.
The six vedangas are kalpa(meemamsa), Sheeksha (vedic chanting rules), vyakarana (grammer), chandas( meter in poetry), nirukta (etymology), jyotisha(astrology)
Brahmins perform somayaga(goat was killed) ,agnicayana(goat was killed) and vajapeya(goat was killed) sacrifices as yajamana (owner who perform sacrifice). Kshatriyas as yajaman perform aswamedha (horse sacrifice) and rajasuya. The main yajur vedi brahmin priest in yajna is “Adhwaryu”, Rig vedi priest is “Hotr” and samavedi is “Udgatr”
the brahmin who oversee entire yaga/yajna is Brahman or Bramhan(not God; because God is brahmam or Bramham)… You wont get all these information even in internet..So secret is Vedic knowledge and so pathetic is our religion’s state now.
May Lord Narayana incarnate and reestablish the Vedic religion
Please interested people read Frist Stall’s book
I do not think we have much option. Hindu are coward and ignorant people.
Yes Vishal. But let’s not sit and wait for Lord to save us. We must learn and should have clear understanding of our religion only then we can defend our faith if some one attack and mock us.
Let’s start calling spade a spade. We should not always try to prove that we are secular, liberal and be politically correct.
Indian secularism per constitution is not “Hindu bashing” but treating all religions same
Western secularism is separation of church from state
Communist secularism is non religiousness
Some established norms in Hindu bashing , even when we know it is wrong we keep silent to be politically correct. Don’t we?
Eg:-
soma is alcohol TRUTH:- soma drink is not alcohol, sura is alcohol
cows were sacrificed TRUTH:- goats were sacrificed and horse intestines too. Pashu bhedanam means killing of pashu . Here pashu means sacrifical animal (goat) and not cow.
3. idol worhip is wrong. . TRUTH:- With mantras great seers establish God’s presence in idol. This is not statue worshipping
Recently some says Karna is better warrior than arjuna. TRUTH:- Mahabharata’s hero is Arjuna. Many instances are there where Arjuna defeated karna directly or indireclty (panchali swayamvara, Defeat Drupada, secure karna and kourav from Gandharvas, Virata war/battle, killing of karna’s sons in front of him during mahabharata battle)
Arjuna was never defeated by anyone in bow and arrow combat. Karna was even defeated by Bheema in bow and arrow combat in mahabharata.
@Hindu
To make understand Hindus very tough task. I have discussed with many respectable and religious people. They talk very nonsense things and preach the same things to others too like This is Kaliyug, Sinner will always ahead in this Kaliyug, God will incarnate to punish the sinners when the pot of their sins would be full, do not talk of Arya Samaji because they do not believe Rama & Krishna as God etc etc., They call me enemy of Hindu who has been brainwashed by anti – Hindu like Agniveer. Such are their allegations. What we can do?
Dear Vishal,
I agree . Hinduism’s situation is pathetic. On records we have a billion followers world wide, but in reality I would’nt be surprised if numbers of persons who follow the traditional Hinduism are as low as 1000. Definitely Arya samaj has a great place in India today ,so does this agniveer site. Even I feel the challenge listening from many Hindus. Some are fan of Vedanta philosophy and has their own definitions. They think Upanishads are different from Vedas. Some associate it with yoga. The problem is they don’t deep dive in it. Just see the peripherals and started criticizing Vedic rituals , even incarnations of Gods, idolworhip etc. A disillusioned Swami Dayanand Saraswati reiterated to go back to Samhita parts of Vedas, and rituals. But in the process even Arya samaj started criticizing Advaita, Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, idol worhip etc. The people who are proponent of Bhakthi cult (eg: Vaishnavas ) also criticized Vedic rituals. There was fight between Bhakthi, karma ,njana paths. So bottom line is we are divided not just by castes but by ideologies too. To add to our problems , there is violent attacks to our religion in the forms of other religions- esp Abrahamic ones , communism and some caste based ideologies
Even though i criticise islam and proves their religion is false, We still should learn from muslims many things. They all speak uniformly when it comes to religion unlike us. It is a group ideology. It forms a cult and brotherhood. Only recently I am seeing some confusion amongst muslims too, but until 2000 CE ,that was not the case. Earlier, Muslims thought that their one God concept is so great. They never study Quran deeply. They were happy and confident because of us non muslims. We always showed undue respect to islam (showcasing our liberal ,balanced, and secular mindset). The external acknowledgement is important for islam’s success in the 1990’s.
All thischanged post sept 2001. Islamic extremism is being criticised, even islam. Non muslims respect for islam dipped.Everyday you hear some or other news which showcase islam in bad light. Since then muslims started thinking why such a great religion is receiving criticism? Only then they started reading Quran and hadiths in english. They soon realised that Quran is nothing but repetition of few sentences.
“Allah the most merciful and gracious. Beleive in Allah ,prophet and after life,then you will go to heaven else hell.”And then fight the hell bound unbeleivers.” Quran is all about blind belief no more no less.
Hinduism is vast and huge,so naturally hard to grasp it completely. It is a individual philiosophy. It’s not having a cult nature. Hindus don’t form groups and attack others. If you are a true beleiver you will benefit, you won’t get a community or can attack another community and take away their wealth, cattle, land ,women etc. However there is a unity in this diversity. All philosophies tell the same truth. Adi Sankaracharya asks people to abandon Karma (includes vedic rituals)because to attain salvation one must be sinless. sinless only can get enlightentment. Karma leads to sin and good merits right? So naturally you must get the results. And same Adi Sankara tells us that we must perform karma without desires as abandoning karma is also a sin. Also, rituals are worship too. He clearly states that karma leads to discipline and a disciplined person stick to dharma always.He alone gets enlightentment. We all know stealing is bad, but we may do it under some bad circumstances or due to greed or because everyone else do if we are not discipined mentally. Adi Sankara also says that a person who performed karma ony can abandon it. Those who did not perform karma, has to do it no matter how old he is.
@Agniveer
Please do not allow Muslims to comment here. Muslim are terrorist because they believe in Muhammad. Muhammd is ideal man of all Muslim terrorist in the world. USA president Candidate Donald Trump is right if he stop Muslim entry in USA.
fir bhi jab tak muslim jivit hai unki baat suni ja sakati hai aur unki galat bato ka mun tod uyttar bhi diya jana chaiye aur sabhi ko apkihi tarah ex muslim banvaiye ! apni pida aur gaayn bhi is manch me aap rakhte jaiye
@Raj
Bhai maine pichhle 2 saalo se maans khana chhod diya hai , muhammad ko din me 3 baar yaad karna bhi chhod diya hai aur mujhe ab uske naam se bhi alarjee hoti hai. Quran aur Hadis padhkar meri aankh khul gai.
Aur sari naas ki jad pure sansar me poranic hindu hi the. Inhi jhoote logo ne pure sansar me jhuti manyatao ko badhawa diya. Muhammad bhi poranic Hinduo ki upaj thi.
Mr. Ex muslim,what are you?an atheist?
Mr.Ex muslim,you do not have rights to say who’ll comment or not and by the way mind your language just because of few osamas and bagdadis you cannot label muslims as terrorists like all germans cannot be antisemitic just because of one hitler and debate in a polite way
@MD Sadruddin
I think you are right. Hindu traitors like Papu, Kejri, Congi, Left much bigger threat to nation than Muslims. Hindu are fool, misguided and have inherent nature to be slave since thousand of years.
Mr.Ex muslim we are not discussing religion here and politicians are not a threat to hinduism but they advocate democracy, when they advocate something which goes against our idelogies we call them a threat.in democracy we need to advocate the rights of everyone.
@MD Sadurddin
Kamlesh also had the right to express his views in democracy as JNU. Why no one stood for his rights instead demanded hang to death of him just because he expressed his views. Where was your democracy? What wrong he said, he just expressed his views as JNU students.
Mr.Ex muslim,absolutely kamlesh has rights but they to have to protest.the matter here is not about rights,azam khan said something ,kamlesh should have replied to him personally not to the prophet of islam.if a teenager commits crime,we cannot punish his parents.
@MD Sadruddin
Muhammad also had no right to call Kamlesh worst of creature and advocate killing all Hindus? If you abuse any one, he has the right to revert you back. Muhammad abused all people of India.
Quran 98/6 calls idolaters/polytheists as ‘worst of creatures’.
Kill the non-Muslims where ever you found them if they do not accept Muhammad as prophet. (Quran 9.5)
Mr.Ex muslim,i think you are going away from the article,the article is not about the quran or islam,it’s about a controversy which we should discuss in light of the constitution.nevertheless,i’ll answer the question.you say,the quran says nonmuslims as worst of creatures or kill wherever you find them.if you read the commentary,you’ll see, here the quran talks about those meccan kuffars who tortured the early muslims,so it’s all about the interpretation,you take it as an abuse but muslims take it as justice like for agniveers,vedas do not preach caste system but for others vedas do and what are you?an atheist?to me you look like an advocator of hindus.
Allah hates idol worshippers. When i prostrate before idols Allah is very angry on me and want to sent me till eternity to HELL. Allah is angry when muslims sing Vande mataram ?
But, wait a minute. This is some thing from Pickthall’s translation of Quran. Sura al – baqara.2:34
002.034 And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever.
Iblis(Satan) did’nt prostrate before Adam and thus became disbeliever? He was avoiding shirk!!!! Here We is Allah
Many muslim apologists defend this by saying Iblis is made of fire and his prostartion is not like humans do. This story happened in another realm , it should not be compared to earthly life etc. Here prostration means just show respect. I am sure you will join them.
Allah hates idol worshippers. When i prostrate before idols Allah is very angry on me and want to sent me till eternity to HELL. Allah is angry when muslims sing Vande mataram ?
But, wait a minute. This is some thing from Pickthall’s translation of Quran. Sura al – baqara.2:34
002.034 And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever.
Iblis(Satan) did’nt prostrate before Adam and thus became disbeliever? He was avoiding shirk!!!! Here We is Allah
Many muslim apologists defend this by saying Iblis is made of fire and his prostartion is not like humans do. This story happened in another realm , it should not be compared to earthly life etc. Here prostration means just show respect. I am sure you will join them.
Btw, i am not clear on below ayat. As you would agree quran is supposed to be crystal clear message written in most unambigous language(viz arabic). Still i am not clear on below
Who saw whom? Did Nabi saw Allah???
sura an najm 53:12-Yusuf ali translation:-
“For indeed he saw him at a second descent”
Allah hates idol worshippers. When i prostrate before idols Allah is very angry on me and want to sent me till eternity to HELL. Allah is angry when muslims sing Vande mataram ?
But, wait a minute. This is some thing from Pickthall’s translation of Quran. Sura al – baqara.2:34
002.034 And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever.
Iblis(Satan) did’nt prostrate before Adam and thus became disbeliever? He was avoiding shirk!!!! Here We is Allah
Many muslim apologists defend this by saying Iblis is made of fire and his prostartion is not like humans do. This story happened in another realm , it should not be compared to earthly life etc. Here prostration means just show respect. I am sure you wil join them.
Mr.Hindu, look i’m not here to defence islam but to advocate for humanity,i don’t believe in any established religion but in GOD who created all of us.we all are brothers and sisters in humanity ,GOD will be pleased with us ,if we support one another in difficulties and every religion talks in ambiguity which is so confusing for the followers.instead of wasting on religion,we should work for the betterment of humanity.
Mr.Hindu,look,i’m not here to defence islam but to talk on humanity. I don’t believe in any established religion but in GOD i do believe,the GOD who created all of us and one who wants us to support one another in difficulties. To me,religion a device to divide humanity. Instead of wasting on a religion,we should work for the betterment of humanity.
Mr.Hindu, look, i’m not here to defence islam but to talk on humanity. I do not believe in any established religion,religion to me,a device to divide humanity but in GOD do believe,the GOD who created all of us and who wants us to support one another in difficulties. Every religion talks in ambiguity which creates confusion amongst the followers.so,instead of wasting on a religion,we should work for the betterment of humanity.
MD Sadrudin,
I am not against muslim community either. I wouldn’t have any problem with muslims believing in quran if it had been peaceful ,but this islam has caused us a lot of pain to us. So many temples destroyed ; only in Orissa and some parts of south india temple structures remain. Vedic learning centers destroyed, Sanskrit vanished our religion ,culture and tradition greatly diminished. We Hindus lived in great fear in the past, not sure when muslims will come take away wealth, women, enslave forcefully circumcise force to eat beef and get converted.
No muslims have apologized to us . Pakistan did not apologized for Hindu genocide in 1947 and 1971-Bangladesh. You see Germany is ready to apologize to Jews for holocaust. Will Turks apologize for Armenian genocide? Muslims never ever do..
You are speaking about universal humanity. How can we be sure that this is not Taqiyya or some sort of holy lying?
I feel uncomfortable saying all these and ridiculing the muslims of our country with my statements for something muslims done in past but i strongly feel you must realize it and empathise with us.
Mr. Hindu, why are you living in the past?be in the present.every nation at sometime in the past had attacked the other. British ruled india for almost 200 years and harmed india and looted her wealth,if today’s india think all about that,then it will be difficult to be in good relation with them. You talk about muslim rulers’ oppression but never talk about their contribution. They built many fine monuments which are today india’s pride. Look, brother it’s all about power,they had powers, so they ruled according to themselves,even today our goverment rule as they wish. As far as temples destruction are concerned,now you can rebuild them,now the power is in your hands.look brother, if you dig up the past,then muslims will also question you of gujrat riots and of other riots. Now it’s time to bury the past,let us start a new beginning together.
Fine Sadruddhin. Do something from your end to improve the relations and heal the wounds. I agree Hindus harmed Muslims but the damage done by muslims to Hindus far surpass.
But as you said lets forget past and move on. But the initiative should come from muslim community.
As a member of muslim community you can start the initiative. It should not be like Pakistan who back stab India from pathankot
Mr. Hindu, pakistan attacks india for kashmir issue not for islamic cause. Islam is not in war with india,it’s like saying christians are in war with muslims because US attacks some muslim countries.look brother, we should not take it as war between the two communities but actually it’s a political battle,both have been fighting for kashmir since the partition. I’ll request you and all indians not to take it as war between hindus muslims.
all abrahamic religion are intolerant towards others. but ISLAM is the most intolerant and extra sensitive to kill infidels if they are not good slaves in front of these ZOMBIES.
degrading hinduism is ok in India pk, owaisi, azam,….all madarsa’s
but denouncing islamism by cartoon,comment is a ” tan se judaa ” crime
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