The ban on beef in Indian state of Maharashtra has caused a huge uproar on social media. This ban is being hailed as a direct attack on their personal freedom. In this chapter, I am putting various points across in support of the beef ban and prove why the beef ban is completely democratic, legal, most logical, as per constitution and in the best interest of the nation.
The argument of beef lovers is as follows:
“What I eat is my choice. Who is any government or moral police to dictate what I eat or do not eat? Will they ban spinach and lauki also tomorrow if I am offended? This is communal politics of right-winged Hindu fanatics and must be opposed.”
On the surface, it appears so reasonable and logical. But let us scratch the surface and explore how valid is this movement against Beef Ban.
I give 13 ways to silence them. If these beef-lovers try to refute one or more of the arguments, tell them that they must refute all of them to justify their stand. It is like someone who is facing trial for murder of 20 people tries to prove that 3 of them were murdered by someone else. It does not matter. Unless you can prove that not even a single murder charge is valid, you will face death sentence.
1 Why no movement against beef ban in past?
The ban on cow slaughter and most cattle already exists in the majority of states of India. Were these beef lovers sleeping like Rip Van Winkle for last 68 years? What were they eating so far? Were they indulging in illegal activities? Why did they not show their beef love so far? Why could they not raise a movement against the beef ban in last near-seven decades?
2 Ban is not on eating, it is on killing.
No one has any problem with what you eat and what you do not. You are free to eat even from the commode in democracy. But the ban is not on eating. It is on the killing of cattle.
Now people like me have several objections to the killing of a cow (and cattle in general). If you can create beef in the laboratory without killing my mother, I have absolutely no issues with you.
But if you want to kill my mother in the name of democracy then, better explore that democracy in Somalia or ISIS zones. Your freedom to swing your arm ends where my nose begins.
3 Cow is my mother.
Yes, it is true that for the overwhelming majority of India, the cow has sentimental values. They consider cow as mother. Their most popular God – Lord Krishna – is known as Gopal for his love for cows. On every occasion – birth, death, festival, happiness, and sorrow – feeding and worshipping cow are considered a primary duty. There are multiple festivals dedicated primarily to the cow. And this respect is extended to cattle in general. Bull is considered as a companion of another revered God – Lord Shankar.
It does not matter whether you agree with this cow worship or not. But so far the majority of Indians consider cow as a mother, killing of cows cannot be acceptable. Think of it. Say I name an animal on your mother and slaughter it. I write the name of a Hindu God, Prophet Muhammad or Jesus Christ on an animal and slaughter it. I desecrate a temple, mosque or church. Will you encourage this kind of behavior?
If yes, I will call you pervert. But that is beside the point. First, dare to perform such acts as above, post videos of same on youtube, put your address in the description and raise a movement to allow you such crazy behavior in the name of democracy. Don’t have double standards in your apparent love for freedom.
If no, then the slaughter of revered mother cow and associated cattle cannot be accepted in a country where the cow is the foundation of the religious and cultural ethos of the majority.
4 Religion doesn’t matter.
Don’t give the sick argument that cows and cattle are mistreated in the country. Don’t prove to me that most cow-sellers for beef production are Hindus. Hence, a ban on beef shows double standards.
If above is indeed the case, tell me instead, what you propose to do to help solve this problem. The reality is also that women are unsafe in many parts of the country because of the attitude of society. That does not mean having punishment for rape shows double standards. Your sick argument mirrors exactly the views of a rapist in Nirbhaya case.
You cannot rape a woman just because women-safety is an issue in the nation! On contrary, tell us whether you are ready to save dignity of woman at any personal cost?
It does not matter what the religion of all beef producers in India is. What matters is that killing of cattle is equivalent to abusing sentiments of the majority and hence must be banned. The day people like you form the majority of India and are comfortable posting youtube video of slaughtering an animal named after their mothers or religious figures; you can repeal the ban. Thankfully, that is not the case today, and hence, the beef ban is justified.
5 Respect the sentiments of majority.
It is true that even if there were no rational basis behind cattle-worship in Indian culture, still beef ban is justified on pure respect for sentiments of the vast majority. But thankfully the truth is that foundations of Indian culture are very rational and scientific. It is not out of jingoism that we consider India as a lighthouse for the entire world. It is because Indian culture stands on the foundation of reason and science.
Coming to matter of cow and cattle worship:
• The cow is the most productive animal known on this planet. It is a living factory cum hospital producing products of utility from its cow dung, urine, milk, sweat and even breath. Its benefit to the economy, environment, fuel generation and healthcare is parallel to none. When bombing a factory or place of productivity attracts a penalty, why not a cow?
• The environmental cost of beef production is highest of all livestock activities. Meat is the most polluting industry in the world. And beef is most polluting of all meat-producing industries. Refer Raising beef creates more pollution than raising pork, poultry, dairy, or eggs for example.
• The water footprint of beef is highest of all food. Estimates range from 441 gallons to 12008 gallons of water per pound of beef. In comparison, rice and wheat are 50 to 100 times more efficient!! Forget about India; there is a global movement to sway people away from beef to ensure our future generations have water to drink and food to eat. Refer Beef: The ”King” of the Big Water Footprints.
• Beef production is the most inefficient use of fossil energy at an energy input to output ratio of 54:1. Compare with chicken 4:1, pork 26:1, eggs 6:1. For Indian food grains, it is around 2:1. The implication is clear: When you eat beef instead of grains, 26 people go hungry to fulfill your so called “personal freedom of tongue indiscipline.” Review U.S. could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat. Also review Sustainability of meat-based and plant-based diets and the environment. Here is another one: Beef – The Global Issue.
We shower our deepest respect to seers who formed foundations of Indian culture. They saw what the world is repenting today for being too late to observe and act upon. We are proud of them.
6 Beef lovers and their double standards.
If one demands permission to kill cow and cattle because of his “personal freedom to eat whatever he or she wants,” then they should first raise their voice against following:
• Ban on the killing of national and endangered animals and birds in most civilized countries of the world. (In India, you cannot poach lions and tigers. In United State, killing bald and a golden eagle in banned through a Special Act. Just possessing feathers lead to a heavy penalty. Killing will give you long prison time and hefty fine.)
• Ban on defacing and damaging heritage and protected buildings. Why be certain buildings considered so special after all? Why “freedom-lovers” do not have freedom to choose what buildings they decide to consider special?
• Ban on insulting and desecration of national symbols like a flag.
• Ban on sale and carrying of unlicensed arms and weapon.
• Ban on roaming naked and having sex in public.
• Ban on mutual cannibalism with consent.
• Ban on sale and consumption of narcotics. And so on….
The same gangs of “liberals” who are crying foul on beef ban have never shown any solidarity with above or any other related aspect of personal freedom. Many Bollywood celebrities are twitting against the beef ban. Shirin Devi – only woman editor of Urdu magazine – was fired, arrested and now forced to live in oblivion for publishing Charlie Hebdo cartoons in the magazine. She published them to criticize the cartoons and yet she had to face unimaginable trauma. The issue made headlines, she hails from Mumbai, but no Bollywood personality or beef-lover dared to stand up to defend her. No one dared to publish Charlie Hebdo cartoons on their own walls and tweets to show solidarity with “freedom of speech”.
This itself shows blatant double standards.
I challenge all “beef-lovers” first to show their solidarity with above bans and restrictions that pre-date beef-ban. Please explain your selective silence on these issues.
One celebrity porn-writer wrote that she is willing to face five years of jail to defend the right of beef-eaters in Maharashtra. Let her post Charlie Hebdo cartoons to defend write of publishers, let her publicly consume narcotics to defend the right of ecstasy-lovers, let her perform nude sex acts in public to defend the right of sex-maniacs and so on. But they will not do so simply because the risks are too high.
Insulting sentiments of the peaceful majority of Indians is a harmless hobby instead. It is harmless because Indian majority will not retaliate, unlike many other groups that are famed for putting a prize on your head.
7 There is no absolute freedom in democracy.
In an enlightened democracy, there can never be absolute freedom. Because your freedom can invade in my zone of freedom. All matters of freedom and restrictions are bound by following:
• Collective wisdom of majority that is witnessed through election process
• Responsibility and maturity with which one can use the freedom
• Respect for harmless sentiments of the public. Your freedom ends where it restricts my freedom.
In the case of a beef ban, that happened through a democratic and legal manner. The government that brought this legislation made their intentions very clear in their election manifesto. They went to voters on a plank of stopping beef production. Voters gave them their support and allowed them to proceed on this legally. Now, if they do not fulfill the promise made to voters, that would amount to cheating. Instead, the government decided to follow the path of honesty, show respect to the process of democracy and fulfill aspirations of people who voted for them.
If someone has objections to democracy, he better relocate to jungles where every animal has full freedom to do whatever it wants. And not complain because a government fulfilled its promise to public.
8 Terrorist mindset of beef protestors.
What these protestors are saying is:
“I don’t care if she is your mother. I don’t care if it destroys the environment. I don’t care if it results in 30 hungry people who die. I don’t care if it results in 20 thirsty dead. I don’t care about culture, economy, environment, poor people, sentiments of others…nothing. I don’t care about law and democracy. I just care about the taste of my tongue. If I enjoy eating your mother – living or dead – let me have that even if it is against law. That is my fundamental right.”
This is exactly the way ISIS terrorists think, rapists think, psychopaths think, criminals think. It only proves something else – that even love for beef has such brutal effect on Indian brains. Only God can imagine its impact when consumed. That is why Gandhi equated cow-protection with Swarajya.
9 No unemployment due to beef ban.
Another lame argument given is that banning beef will lead to unemployment of people in this industry. Beef ban is inhuman. This argument again shows your double standards. Why suddenly this selective love for other people? If you are so sensitive to others, why ignore sensitivities of the vast majority, poverty caused due to beef, hunger caused due to beef.
This lame argument can be used for banning any legal or illegal industry. For example, banning illegal firearms, illegal liquor, narcotics, and opium production will all lead to unemployment of some people. After all, there is no industry that functions without people. Even fighting against ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and other terror groups will render many terrorists unemployed! Should we then start promoting terrorism also as a career option instead? Clearly, all this is the mindset of sociopath – for whom self-indulgence supersedes social responsibility.
Those who will be displaced by the ban on the beef industry are free to move to other legal industries. If beef producers start using same resources for grain production, they can cater to 30 to 100 times bigger market. There will be more prosperity and employment. And the environment will also thank them.
Instead of crying hoarse over the beef ban, beef-lovers should instead propose alternatives for the adoption of people in beef-industry in other worthwhile industries. If you have money and commitment to go even to jail, why not allocate some funds for rehabilitation of these people? Why demand legalization of terrorism in the name of safeguarding careers of terrorists?
10 Stop justifying insult of mother.
Don’t impose your moral policing on me. Don’t tell me why I should not worship cow as mother. Don’t ridicule me for electing a government that promises to respect my sentiments for cattle, eliminate hunger, protect the environment and reduce poverty. Don’t threaten me that you would take law in your hands and insult my sentiments for your taste-buds. All this amounts to fanaticism as displayed by ISIS and moral brigade. And if you do so, be prepared to be repaid in the same currency.
If, indeed, you are so passionate about “freedom and liberty”, then raise your voice on more pertinent issues. Do not justify insult of the mother. Do not promote the damage of environment and hunger. Raise voice for the uniform civil code to give equal rights to all women of all communities. Raise voice for Shirin Devi who cannot even move in public because she published Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Raise voice for mute animals whose right to live is jeopardized because of taste-buds of others. Raise voice for hundreds of more pertinent issues than your obsession to eat my mother.
11 There is a correct way to get anything banned.
Another silly argument given by many mentally deprived beef-lovers is as follows:
“I worship lauki and potato. Eating them hurts my religious sentiments. So ban them also.”
Here is the answer. Yes, you have right to get them banned. Follow the following steps:
• First of all, stop eating lauki, potato, roti, pulses – whatever hurts your sentiments.
• Next, form an association of like-minded people who share your worship of potato.
• Third, stand in elections, prepare election manifesto that clearly states your commitment to ban potato, pulses blah blah. Feel free to put death sentence as punishment for potato eaters.
• Fourth, win the elections, prepare a bill, and have it passed in the Assembly to make an act.
• Now thank your voters and be happy.
• If I eat potato after that, lawfully hang me to death.
India believes in this democratic process. Everyone is encouraged to respect and adopt it. But if democracy is not your cup of tea, I recommend asylum in Somalia or ISIS territories or jungles of Africa.
12 Beef ban is completely lawful.
A large number of beef-lovers are threatening to violate the law and satisfy their cravings.
Some say, if beef roams in the night and gets eaten, it’s their fault. One porn-writer says she will eat beef even if she has to go jail for this. Here is our response:
Don’t act like terrorists. By this logic, you can also defend eating children in isolated streets. This mindest is called is psychopath mindset.
Further, if you have right to violate the law to claim your “personal freedom” of eating my mother, then I also have right to violate the law and thrash you for attempting to attack my mother. In other words, don’t complain if illegal beef-activists are brought in control through illegal means by cow-worshippers. So respect the law. Don’t promote anarchy.
13 Beef ban is democratic.
Another breed of beef-lovers is calling this ban anti-democratic and unconstitutional.
What a joke! They forgot Civics lessons of school perhaps. Ban on the slaughter of cattle is clearly documented as a Directive Principle of State Policy in Part IV of Indian Constitution. It has been clearly stated that “it shall be the duty of the State to apply these principles in making laws.” (Para 37)
Para 48 states that: “The State shall endeavor to organize agriculture and animal husbandry on modern and scientific lines and shall, in particular, take steps for preserving and improving the breeds, and prohibiting the slaughter, of cows and calves and other milch and draught cattle.”
So what Maharashtra Government has done is strictly in lines of Constitution and also in a constitutional manner. Those who have objections to it must accuse and abuse the Constitution and its makers instead of those people who respect and follow the Constitution. If you have fundamental issues with Indian Constitution, better relocate to another country because India will continue to run as per its Constitution and celebrate the Republic Day as a promise to abide by the Constitution.
Summary
Let beef-lovers and potato-lovers and culture-haters do whatever they can. We are resolved to counter them democratically, intellectually and legally. And if they resort to the promotion of illegal means – directly and indirectly, then they lose right to complain when they face the same.
Hence, we appeal to them to stop this double standard and join Agniveer in fulfilling aspirations of millions in a democratic manner.
If they do not, please note that we take pride in Veer Shivaji who risked his life to protect the cows. We take pride in Gandhi. And we take pride in our visionary culture that taught us ways to fight poverty, hunger, pollution and live with compassion. We shall protect and nurture it irrespective of anyone’s perverted fetish. And go to any extent for it.
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-Saroj
Revisiting vedas 4 cornered earth.
Rig Veda 7:83:3
3 The boundaries of earth were seen all dark with dust: O Indra-Varuna, the shout went up to heaven.
The enmities of the people compassed me about. Ye heard my calling and ye came to me with help.
You said that it means evil spread the earth. I agree but FLAT EARTH AS DESCRIPTION MENTIONS(what they thought)
Rig veda 4:50:3
Let’s see this verse part by part
1. (Him who with might hath propped earth’s ends)
THIS HYMN IS REGARDING ” BRHASPATI” who is supposed to travel earth’s ends. This is a person and its clear. As it then says
(who sitteth in threefoldseat,)
Here it refers to his seat on his transport on which He TRAVELLED EARTHS ENDS.
(Brhaspati, with thunder,)
About brashpati. With thunder means with eagerness as he was going to travel earth’s ends.
(Him of the pleasant tongue have ancient sages, deep-thinking, holy singers, set before them.)
This is regarding those who praises him for this purpose.
No matter what you say,these verses are clear.
Let’s summarize :
Vedas says:
1. Earth has FOUR ENDS
2. Earth like heavens are FIRM
3. Heavens are SUPPORTED ON PILLARS
4. EARTH is supported On a BULL
These are just overviews of what these sages believed.
Now Hindus cry that these are metaphors but they and we BOTH KNOW IT’S NOT TRUE.
Saroj tried to show these as metaphors and said earth is even compared to cooking pot.
He doesn’t know that THE VERSE HE IS TALKING ABOUT TELLS THAT IT’S A SINGLE BY SAYING
Earth IS LIKE
and not how earth is
According to Vedas SUN MOVES AROUND EARTH (new metaphor)
[Maurice] Atharva Veda 6.8.3 As the sun day by day goes about this heaven and earth…
[Griffith] Atharva Veda 6.8.3 As in his rapid course the Sun encompasses the heaven and the earth…
The Sanskrit text is given below
यथा [Yatha] = As the, Like the.
सूर्य [Surya] = Sun .
एति [Yeti] =…
now rig veda4.50.1 this i have explained before.
and thunder dosent represent eagerness, i dont know how you reached this interpretaion. thunder repesents a force that destroys darkness. that is why vedas say indra, with thundr destroys evil forces.t
brhaspathi with might props the ends-the existence out of which all comes is waters-salilam-that which flows. at first, brhaspathi exerts a “mighty force”, exters force and defines the ends-that is, the limits and defenitions of the earth, every form is defined by limits. here, brhaspathi exerts force onto a limitless, obscure,salilam(ever flowing waters) to defina a form(which is done by defining the “ends”,and thus froming the earth with its forms).
-the triple seat-dosent refer o any kinda car.it mean the three region that brhaspathi pervades-earth, mid air region and heaven-and the word “set” here means brhaspathi pervades them.
a detailed explanation is given above.
indra/varune case:
i told you the verse is NoT FROM cosmological sense.
the wrd :eand” here means that darkness pervades the whole earth. the ends here is not to be tkn with its physical meaning. like if i say i “reached the end of something”, it means i pervade the whole thing. similarly, “the boundaries of earth are in darkness ” means that darkness pervades the whole earth.
for example, whan veda says”usha(dawn) is daughter of sky-it dosent mean that dawn is literally daughter of sky-it simply is allegorical of dawn being coming at the horizon. thus you cannot use blind literal meaning to the intermediate words in vedas-it has to be taken allegorically apt to the contet. here, in indra/aruna case, the end as literal is not apt,rather ends in the sense that darkness pervades the whole earth is more apt. that is what is meant by allegorical usage of intermediate words.
brother come to gmails now.
Vers 1
Brihaspati is he who has established firmly the limits and
definitions of the Earth, that is to say of the material consciousness.
The existence out of which all formations are made is an obscure,
fluid and indeterminate movement,—salilam, Water. The first
necessity is to create a sufficiently stable formation out of this flux
and running so as to form a basis for the life of the conscient. This
Brihaspati does in the formation of the physical consciousness and
its world, sahasā, by force, by a sort of mighty constraint upon the
resistance of the subconscient. This great creation he effects by
establishing the triple principle of mind, life and body, always
present together and involved in each other or evolved out of each
other in the world of the cosmic labour and fulfilment. The three
together form the triple seat of Agni and there he works out the
gradual work of accomplishment or perfection which is the object
of the sacrifice. Brihaspati forms by sound, by his cry, raveṇa, for
the Word is the cry of the soul as it awakens to ever-new
perceptions and formations. “He who established firmly by force
the ends of the earth, Brihaspati in the triple seat of the fulfilment,
by his cry.”
(yas tastambha sahasā vi jmo antān, bṛhaspatis triṣadhastho raveṇa.)
it would e better if we move on to emails now.
“You said that it means evil spread the earth. I agree but FLAT EARTH AS DESCRIPTION MENTIONS(what they thought)”
tht is not fitting since the vedas are metaphorical, it is not to be taken as literal.fro example, today we know sun dsnt go up, but still we say”sunrise”. today we know that everything is in space and that there is nothing called as “sky” and still we use “under the sky”. these usages sre there because this is the way we see them or, this is the way we perceive them to be.
and send your next set of respomses to my email id .
the verse here is not mentioning the shape of earth, its like we “emntion” what sky looks like if someone uses the phrase “under the sky”.
Rig veda 10:164:47
There is no such reference man.
Rig Veda 10 :164 contains 5 mantras
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv01164.htm
this is the manthra.
-Saroj
Was this a Joke?
totally hilarious an ubiased reader would understand that kullun simply refers to moon and sun and not to earth.
Response : Those who know Arabic they know it refers to ALL SUN MOON AND EARTH.
2. One who wants to learn Qur’an after searching will already analyse and you don’t have to be scientist to understand this. It’s simple.
And what lies are you spreading those who have translated REFLECTED LIGHT ARE WRONG, do you know more Arabic than us.
Even for confusion not to arise that I QUOTED DICTIONARIES, didn’t I?
And what joke was that only different lights are mentioned. I Quoted passages from Qur’an showing it to be reflected light.
I even Quoted Muhammad Asads comments on it.
Regarding water cycle I said ALMOST ALL COMMENTATORS OF QUR’AN MENTIONED IT AS CAPACTIY OF HEAVEN TO GET BACK RAIN. You totally neglected.
21:44 your own interpretation that God took their wealth ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DIED AS RICH.
Moreover whose commentries have you to support your argument.
You have to agree as it tends to show shape of earth you were therefore trying to be crafty. Qur’an even mentions it separately, you even neglected that.
But when it comes to Vedas you look for metaphors.
the real joke was the way you interpret vedas. in Vedas we require metaphors and allegories that pertain to context, because the tradition says Vedas are like poems. the rishis are kavis, poets, hence their verses r not metpahors. only a poet can become a sage , because since the Vedas r poems, only a sage that can understand a poem can understand the verse he “see”, or is revealed to him.
the metpahors are to be:
(1)pertaining to the context.
(2) the metaphrical usage is to be explained on the bassis of referencesto other part of the Vedas
(3)if the parts of the verse is not matching, at that time the metaphors are to be used.
and that is what ive done. ypu can verify it.
the verse dosent mention the arabic word for “reflected”
then where am i lying?
-Saroj
Now I will give you verses where you can show no own interpretations. Although it doesn’t matter.
You must be knowing that embryology in Qur’an is confirmed by reputed EMBRYOLOGISTS OF WORLD. Maybe your agniveer didn’t told you.
That’s why they never mention it.
The only fool who tried to write against this topic in Qur’an is ALI SINA who was later told to consult some elementary biology teacher by these embryologists.
Ali Sina said sperm comes from testes however it comes from between 12th backbone and ribs.
So let’s start Saroj. Go and visit all anti-islamic sites.
So start
Prof. (Dr.) Keith Moore, who was the Professor of Embryology and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto, in Canada.
THIS GUY WHOSE DESIGNATION IS BIGGER THAT KNOWLEDGE OF HINDUS WILL GIEV COMMENTRIES.
LOOK ALI SINA SAYS MUSLIMS PAID WORLD SCIENTISTS BUT I HOPE YOU WILL SEE THAT BY COMMENTRIES.
“HE makes you, In the wombs of your mothers, In stages, one after another, In three veils of darkness.”
[AL-QUR’AN 39:6]
According to Prof. Keith Moore these three veils of darkness in the QUR’ANrefer to”
(a) anterior abdominal wall of the mother
(b)the uterine wall
(c)the amnio-chorionoic membrane.
-Saroj
Next in line
Prof. Marshall Johnson is one of the leading scientists in US, and is the head of the Department of Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Institute at the Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia in US.
According to Prof. Johnson, if we describe the embryo as a complete creation, then we are only describing that part which is already created.If we describe it as an incomplete creation, then we are only describing that part which is not yet created. So, is it a complete creation or an incomplete creation? There is no better description of this stage of embryogenesis than the Qur’anic description, ‘partly formed and partly unformed’, as in the following verse:
“WE created you Out of dust, then out of Sperm, then out of a leech-like Clot, then out of a morsel Of flesh, partly formed And partly unformed.”
[AL-QUR’AN 22:5]
Scientifically we know that at this early stage of development there are some cells which are differentiated and there are some cells that are undifferentiated—some organs are formed and yet others unformed.
great brother wondrful
now read my posts on your commnts on vedas. i think ypu consulted some anti hindu websited for aid. okay go ahead. let me, the helpless one in amidst a battle be saved by the supreme sarasvathi.
also please read srimad bhagavatham canto 3 chapter 31.
it would be better if we continue in emails.
-Saroj
Nur means reflected light
I Quoted dictionaries regarding that and proved from Qur’an also.
There are 100+ verses and we can Quote 100+scientists to justify them.
Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, U.S.A., proclaims: “… these HADITHS, sayings of MUHAMMAD—sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam—could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer (7th century).
Anyways his comments:
“Now let man but think From what he is created! He is created from A drop emitted — Proceeding from between The back bone and the ribs.”
[AL-QUR’AN 86:5-7]
In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads(ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads(testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the back bone(spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area.
can we continue the discussion on emails? [email protected]
the word nur only means light. the addition of “reflected” is NOT correct. maybe it can be used as refleced light, but that is not translation.
-Saroj
I don’t want to Quote all 100+ embryological verses.
I can even show you WORDS REPUTED LOGICIANS, MATHEMATICIANS, SCIENTISTS
WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM.
And point to note is they were atheists.
For example I of them whom I love very much who DEBUNKED THE THEORY THAT GOD CAN’T DO EVERYTHING (which even dayanand believed)
From Qur’an.
Dr. Jeffrey Lang, a mathematician [Professor of Mathematics at University of Kansas, US] (an ex-atheist)] –
HIS arguments were also priceless.
He believed that God has to be from God after looking at it’s structure.
Although he said that it’s not new thing that Qur’an mentions shape of earth. He said that this was known to Aristotle honestly.
But he didn’t said Qur’an was copied or anything.
He believed it from God and he said it’s correct.
There are other atheists also.
And how can we forget poets.
ALMOST ALL ARABIC AND NON ARABIC SCHOLARS OF ARABIC SAYS THAT Qur’an is best POET MIRACLE ON FACE OF EARTH.
Agniveer commented on that even and I don’t like you Quoting a thing which you don’t know.
Many even converter.
For example
Mohammed Asad was a Jew, you remember I even use his translation sometimes.
T.b Irving was a Christian
B. J monjayin
Pickthall etc.
Pickthall even said after converting to Islam and analysing beauty of Qur’an
“The Koran cannot be translated… It is only an attempt to present the meaning of the Koran and peradventure something of the charm in English. It can never take the place of the Koran in Arabic, nor is it meant to do so.”
– [The Meanings of the Glorious Koran, pg. vii, Alfred A. Knopp Inc., 1930]
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-Agniveer
With due respect I was just answering his questions.
-Saroj
Nur means reflected light. I have Quoted dictionaries even. I think you didn’t see it.
Further, Qur’an still on itself gives same idea.
yes i saw that brother. but the word also means light, beam, brightness, gleam, glow, illumination, lamp, INDIRECT LIGHT .’
so basically u cherry picked indirect light to suit your own prefered meaning. and where is the the word”rflectd “bro?
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Haha yea ‘Bull essence’ ! That hurt you yea… @Vajra
Now for a debate, Lets assume that you are a Donkey, just check below the tail you might find the bull essence.
Now read the article carefully, The author address the cow as “my mother”. Unless you say the reader should not take literally that and ‘my mother’ means something else.
First of all the article is baseless, Its just based on emotional sentiments of certain believers based on some fairy tale epic.
Author talks about constitution. During India’s 1940 constitutional debates conservative Hindus had argued for a ban on cow slaughter to be included as one of the constitution’s fundamental rights. fortunately at the time, that proposal was rejected. 65 years later, that appears to be India’s new reality. ( what a pathetic state of India)
Can’t we all grow up? Can’t we admit that cattle is food for some and its a personal choice ?
Can’t we have nice farms where cow’s are grown for food? So that beef eaters can get a good quality meat instead of game meat like tasting cart pulling old cows and bulls ?
There is a thin line between life and food, As soon as the head skin and guts of the animal is removed it of course looks like tasty food. And I agree that cruelty towards animals to convert it to food is unnecessary. We should show some compassion and kill the animal without causing a lot of pain.
so now what about people who grew up eating beef which is the only source of cheap and tasty protein? fortunately cow slaughter is not banned in ALL the states in India (phew!!) there are many beef friendly states where it is legal to slaughter and eat the cow.
all the cows and cow lovers will be beheaded and converted to beef and consumed one day! you morons and finger ejaculators.. @Vajra says … ejaculate to much on the keyboard and you will also be consumed.
IIT-IIM, yet so ignorant and irrational. Saddens me.
Indian govt must have banned beef as soon as India got independence but as usual Indian politicians do not care about the sentiments of the majority of the population as this majority is harmless and peaceful. However, Indian politicians tried their best to take care of the sentiments of the minorities and tried to please them to every extent even if it harms majority population. It is all because Hindus do not have unity and even faith to their culture and religion. Majority of Hindus are highly individualistic, selfish and do not care if someone burns their scriptures or say anything to hurt their sentiments. Though some of them are so spineless that they will go to any extent to defend any wrong act done by minorities on Hindus. Americans eat meat but they have banned cats and dogs meat just because these animals are also raised as pets by majority of americans. Cow is much more useful and has more bonding than cats and dogs to majority of Indian population but govt has no regards to take care of the sentiments of this majority. It is high time that Hindus should unite and ask govt to completely ban cow slaughters in each and every part of the country.
To all muslims on board. Please please be honest and select your sincere answers from the following..I expect you to be 100% sincere.
Questions:-
1. Which of the following below is true?
A) God is present everywhere
B) God is present nowhere
C) God is present somewhere (somewhere strictly mean Jannat or Allah’s throne above 7 heavens)
D) In idol
2. Who will be the permanent resident (Green card holder) of Hell?
A) Great Ghazi Kings like Mohammed Bin Qasim who killed several thousand Hindu men in Sind and Multan and then captured weeping 100,0000 women and children ,made them slaves and send 30,000 of them to Iraq who after doing all these say (In Arabic) “Allah is great; There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet” five times a day 11) And then another Ghazi king Mahmud who killed ,enslaved 500,000 Hindus of Afghanistan, FATA, Khyberpakhtoonkhwa and Punjab.
B) A Hindu who does not harm any one follow Ahimsa, worship forms of God (or signs of God) Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu by worshipping the idols of pristine temples
c) Allah is the best judge. Allah knows the Best
3. Select from below the TRUE statement?
A) Smart Musa Nabi who can distinguish the sentence in Arabic he heard to be from Allah and understand that it is not made by some one using loud speaker. Btw he saw a bush fire which is sign from Allah ???
B) Not so smart Moses of Christians and Jews, who will doubt whether the sentence (in Hebrew/Aramaic/Canaanite/ancient Egyptian), is from Yahweh or some one using loudspeaker; so Yahweh appeared as a boy (like in movie “Exodus Gods and kings”) or rather made Moses saw a boy’s image speaking
C) God appears as Lord Shiva, Godess Durga to dumb Hindu bhaktas
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