Finally, I bow down to the glory of Islam. I represent a variety of people who want to embrace Islam for equally varied reasons. I have a love for Allah and want to do something meaningful in life as per Allah’s directions and reach Heaven. So I want to be a true Muslim.

I have decided that there is only one Allah and Muhammad is his final Rasul and Quran is his final word. But still there remains a lot of confusion. I need help. I want Muhammad to come again and help me become a Muslim. Because when I analyze deeply, I find that it is technically impossible for me to become a true Muslim. I may convert to a particular sect and claim to be a Muslim, but still, I do not know if I am being a true Muslim or a fake Muslim. And in case I am fake, I am doomed forever in an even more burning Hell! Its a desperate situation. Remember, this is my only life and hence my only chance to make a right or wrong decision!

Here are my confusions:

1. Which mosque should I go into to become a Muslim? Qadiyanis say that they are true Muslims. Wahabis say they are true Muslims. Shias say they are true Muslims. All in all there are more than a 100 sects of Islam and all claim to be the only true sect. Most have their own mosques and consider that those who go to pray in other mosques is a Kafir – a sure entrant into Hell. Muslims themselves bomb the mosques of Qadiyanis because they belong to another sect. And Zakir Naik uses Qadiyani literature for his lectures but belongs to Wahabi. Its so confusing.

2. My parents and I have been going to Dargahs since childhood. But now Zakir Naik says that this is major Shirk. His wahabi gang has destroyed huge number of dargahs. So all Muslims going to dargah are doomed to Hell forever. But Ajmer Sharif managers say that those who condemn Dargahs will go to hell!

3. I do not even know which authentic Quran to believe in. So many different versions of Quran are floating. Shias claim that actual Quran had 17000 verses and this one is fake or incomplete. Others say Quran has 6666 verses or 6249 verses or 6336 verses. It seems so also because some Hadiths say that goat ate some ayats. Also Quran was compiled and named Quran 20 years after Muhammad’s death. And the Caliph who compiled it was murdered by Aisha’s (Muhammad’s beloved youngest wife with whom marriage was fixed by Allah) brother. Aisha and Ali both wanted to remove this Caliph and fought against him, as well as with each other. Finally both were murdered.

4. I want to know that in addition to the Sunni Quran, or Shia Quran, or Khoja Quran, or Qadiyani Quran…., which Ahadith do I need to believe to ensure my journey to paradise? I can believe only in one of them because only one of them is true and only truth has to be followed to be eligible for Heaven. Some Hadiths are claimed to be Sahih (true) but even they have conflicting confusing lessons. For example one that justifies murder of apostate and even children during war time.

5. I don’t know which one of more than seventy sects of Islam will alone go to heaven as mentioned by Muhammad. Should I go to Sunnis (which Sunni? There are many sub sects within this sect), or to Shias (again many sects), or to Khojas, or to Wahabis, or to Bohras, or to Qadiyanis……? Prayers offered in whose mosques of the above will land me in heaven?

6. Which prophet I need to believe in addition to Laasharik Allah in order to get secured from hell fire? Muhammad, or Ali, or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani, or, Aaga Khan? Many muslims claim that Quran was to be given to Ali originally, but it was revealed to Muhammad by chance! Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani followed Muhammad in true respect as he also claimed himself to be the last prophet just like Muhammad. Whom should I consider final and why?

7. I don’t know Quranic Arabic like most Muslims of world. Unless I know Arabic, how can I understand any version of Quran. Unless I understand Quran, how can I believe in Quran? And if I believe in Quran without even knowing what it is, I am trying to cheat Allah and hence punishment for me is Hell.

8. Quran [43:3] says- “We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand”. This verse indicates that Allah sent down Quran for those, who understand Arabic. So, when Allah himself says that this book is for Arabs, why should I, being a non Arab, believe in it?

9. I am a woman. My husband follows a deviant sect of Islam or is a non-Muslim. How am I supposed to become Muslim? Because if I desert my husband, that is also recipe for Hell. And if I don’t, still I am to be in Hell because Allah accepts only one specific but unknown sect of Islam. Seems as if my destiny to Hell is already pre-decided by Allah! In any case, Prophet, as per Sahih Bukhari, has predicted that Hell would be full of mostly women and very few women would go to Paradise! 🙁

10. Can I be a muslim if I don’t include the name of any person along with Allah in the prayers as I want to remember only Allah and no one else during that time? Will I go to Heaven if I say “la ilaha illah” (There is only one God) but I refuse to say “Muhammad Rasool U Allah” (Muhammad is his Prophet)?

11. Being a wahabi Muslim belonging to cult of Zakir Naik may spare me from wrath of Osama Bin Laden. But then other sects may kill me. If I be a Qadiyani, Sunnis may bomb me. If I follow Zakir, Deobandis and Barelvis may kill me. Islam means peace but its Muslims who fight Muslims in Muslim countries like Iran, Iraq and Pakistan. Its Muslims who killed the first few Caliphs and it were Ali and Aisha who were fighting against each other. It were Muslims who killed Hussain. So even after being a Muslim, where do I have peace? Any other sect may kill me because each sect has so many enemy sects.

12. Is believing in one of the various Qurans sufficient to be a Muslim? Or believing in Hadith just like Quran is essential as prescribed by Darul uloom Deoband? Why is not this Shirk in believing Ahadith (which are manmade) as necessarily as believing in Quran (book of Allah)? Which Hadiths are true? All sects have their own hadiths.

13. I am not told, why did Allah create me? It is told that I was created to worship Him. But I could not find answer to my question, why should I believe in a God, who wants us to praise Himself? Is He not free from all desires? Additionally, if all the people are created to worship Allah then why are not most of the people seen doing so? Is it not manufacturer’s failure if his product is not performing in accordance with his claims?

14. Nobody answered me about my pre decided fate, which has been written in Lohe Mehfooz by Allah, prior to my creation. What free will do I have, to want or to dislike something? If I am Kafir as per Allah’s will [Quran 2:7 and 32:13], why should I act against His will by becoming a Muslim? In fact how can I even try acting against his will?

15. I am told that I am being tested. But I asked many Moulvis that if almighty Allah has already decided my fate (all acts, happiness, and sorrow), which is equivalent to giving solutions to the problems and marks even before starting the test, how is it a test of mine? Is it not Allah’s test, whether His writing will be fulfilled or not? Or in other words, whether will His creature (I) act as per His wish? Please refer God must be crazy! article on this site.

16. I have to bow down to Kaba just like idolaters bow to their idols. Can I be a muslim if I refuse to bow down to Kaaba as I don’t believe in idol worship?

17. Can I be a muslim if I don’t believe polygamy, wife beating, sex slavery, loot, killing etc are lawful as word of God and consider all those verses of Quran false, which spread hatred and justify all ill doings towards non muslims, women, children, and animals?

18. I am desperate to know, what new, did Islam give to the world, which was not there before? No one ever presented any new knowledge from Quran that was not present already in earlier texts.

19. Hadith say that a man should wear such garments which do not hang beneath his ankle. Otherwise he will not be resurrected on the doomsday. Can one tell me why? It is also written that whoever does not dress like Muhammad, will be treated as Kafir. If this is the condition to get heaven, I don’t see any person other than few Madarsa bred Moulvis going to enjoy heaven! Even Zakir Naik will go to Hell due to his coat, pant and tie!

20. Can I be a muslim if I don’t believe in unscientific acts called miracles like splitting of moon, Jesus without father, Muhammad’s sky journey with a flying donkey, Moses talking to stones etc?

21. Can I be Muslim if I expose those, who, in the name of religion, have spread hatred by invading other lands, raping women, keeping sex slaves? Can I oppose those, who were so fond of lust that they married even 6 year old children?

22. Can I refuse to have circumcision but still be a Muslim? Can I refuse circumcision for my children? Many people claim that circumcision reduces chance of HIV infection. But neither I have uncontrolled sex and nor do I keep my organs unclean. So I do not have fear of contracting infections. But is circumcision necessary for being a Muslim? Why?

23. Can I become a Muslim but follow good practices like Yajna, meditation and Sandhya? Can I use good mantras from Vedas to meditate on God? Can I do Havan and meditation in mosque in name of Allah?

24. Can I do namaz in a temple or gurudwara or a church if I am a true Muslim? What if I don’t do namaz in conventional manner because there is no mention of namaz methodology in Quran?

25. Some scholars say that using internet is unislamic. Others say that using emoticons, or using social networking sites is unislamic. Can I be a true Muslim if I use internet or interact with non-Muslims on internet with love and compassion without having hidden hatred in my heart as per Tafseer-e-Jalayn?

26. Which verses of Quran are authentic? There are so many abrogated verses which were replaced by better verses. Why do we have these outdated verses in Quran then? All sects have a different list of abrogated verses. Which verses I need to believe as abrogated to achieve Paradise?

27. I do not have a beard. But many scholars say that those who do not keep beard shall go to Hell. What should I do?

28. I believe in One Allah. But I do not believe that Jesus ever existed or Jesus would come back. Because facts in front of me appear to conclude so. And I am not supposed to lie with my true feelings. Can I still be a true Muslim?

29. Quran and Hadiths have many things written. Now many of these do not appeal to me because I cannot find them reasonable. Different scholars interpret it differently. Now can I choose to reject whatever does not make sense to me, without being biased? In other words, should I choose between Quran and Truth? If Quran, which interpretation of Quran? Will Allah consider me to be a true Muslim if I opposed verses of Quran because I genuinely felt that they were wrong?

30. Christians say only Bible is true. Muslims say only Quran is true. Further each sect says their version alone is true. And my limited mind and logic says something else is true. Following which of these would get me to Allah? Because Allah also says that if I try to fool Allah by believing in Quran when I have no reason to believe in it firmly, then also Allah will put me in Hell as punishment for cheating (Makar).

In summary, the only way for me to be a true Muslim is to have mastery over Arabic and then be able to understand Quran myself, be able to choose which of the innumerable sects of Islam is actually true, have thorough analysis of all verses to ensure nothing I do is against Quran – including my dress, size and shape of beard, my every minute belief etc. Some say that Allah forgives minor mistakes if done unintentionally. By this logic, all non-Muslims who to best of their intentions consider Quran to be crap and propagate against it should also be forgiven. In that case, all those who try to convince people to believe in Quran without making them experts of Arabic first are also against will of Allah and hence Kafir.

These perplexing questions imply that even if one is born in a so-called Muslim family, or converts to Islam, it is highly unlikely that he or she is indeed a true Muslim. In all probability, it is technically impossible to know what is true Islam and hence it is equally impossible to be a true Muslim. An average human being has been given only ONE single life as per conventional concept of Quran. But he or she has innumerable paths – all intersecting and crossing each other – in front of him. Only one of them is the true path of Islam and none other than Allah possesses the ability to know which is true. So despite our best efforts, it is as more unlikely to choose the true path than the probability that you pick the right molecule of water from entire oceans of earth.

The only way that I can be a true Muslim is that Allah gives me more chances and keeps guiding me with hints until I choose the right path. And this should happen continuously even after this life and in future lives as well. This takes us to Vedic philosophy – that Ishwar helps us continuously till we reach salvation through cycle of several births and deaths.

Hence the only way to be a true Muslim is that the Vedic philosophy is true. My only chance to be a true Muslim, hence, is that I adopt the Vedas.

Agniveer, please make me human, not Muslim or non-Muslim!

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207 COMMENTS

    • Namaste rsp
      Please help me! I am the one whose heart was sealed by Allah during the time he was writing Lohe Mehfooz 🙁

      Is there any hope for me?

  1. HAAHAHAHA , ok bro i will answer your childish respond

    “”””””””””””””If first compilation of Quran was perfect, why did that gentleman care to compile it again? Since you yourself claim that the second version was accepted as original Quran, it is obvious that the first one should be called as fake Quran! And look, the version compiled just after the death of Muhammad was fake! What does it show? What is the credibility of Uthman version if Muhammad version was fake?””””””””””””””””””

    you didnt understood it the first comilation [ or collecting ] was collected in papers after months from the prophet’s death , then the seconed compilation is the papers collected in one book

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    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””Ye is Second person plural pronoun, so it can never mean Muhammad unless there were many Muhammads in queue waiting for their revelations””””””””””””””””””””””””

    oh sorry maybe i mistaken , look at the tafsir , the verse was refering to the poeple of mecca because they are the first poeple to read the Quran

    Lo! We have made it, We have brought the Book into existence [as], an Arabic Qur’ān, in the language of the Arabs, that perhaps you, O people of Mecca, may understand, [that you may] comprehend its meanings.

    http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=43&tAyahNo=3&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

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    Who are “they” in this verse? Again Arabs! And you, in your zeal of pasting verses, forgot that the verses you are quoting go against your claim of Quran for all mankind including non Arabs!

    (Thus We have revealed it as a Lecture in Arabic) We have sent down Gabriel with the Qur’an to Muhammad (pbuh) in the Arabic usage, (and have displayed therein) and have exposited in the Qur’an (certain threats) i.e. threats and promises, (that peradventure they may keep from evil) that perhaps they may ward off disbelief, idolatry and indecencies (or that it may cause them to take heed) or obtain a reward if they believed; it is also said that this means: or obtain eminence through the profession of Allah’s divine Oneness; it is also said that this means: or incur chastisement if they did not believe.

    http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=20&tAyahNo=113&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

    Hope the tafsir helps you 😀

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    “””””””””””””””http://Satyagni.com/2697/why-vedas-cannot-be-changed/”””””””””””””””””””

    Sorry bro i read this topic it is non-sense and there is no proof of vedas

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    “””””””””””””””””””””So what does it show except that Allah only knew Arabic and even if He had to choose any non Arab as prophet, He could have not convinced even His non Arab prophet, forget about the”””””””””””””””” people

    estaghfarallah , bro ALLAh [ The only one God ] sent books before Quran in another languages as torah and bible in hebrew

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    “””””””””””””””””””””Again, who is the one saying “our language”? It is again Arabs! And perhaps you missed whole point of this issue. Why was Allah so biased towards 10% Arabs so as to reveal His final and most perfect revelation in their language? Now I am asking question to Allah- “Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and a non Indian [messenger]” “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    You didnt understand it , Allah said in the verse if he revealed Quran in the area of mecca [ arabic language] in a non-arab language the poeple would say : Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?

    so Allah ordered prophet mohammed to say : It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure

    means for all humanity

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    “”””””””””””‘Why did not Allah reveal His most perfect and final revelation in all languages of the world so that a non Arab too would have access to direct Quran and not on some translation of it?”””””””””””

    Translation is our Job , if he would translate them it is very is for him but he want us to strive and learn from each others and teach and spread his massege

    And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge. [ Quran , 30 :22]

    O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the mostnoble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. [ Quran , 49 : 13 ]

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    “”””””””””””””””Though I dont debate any Qadiyani since they are considered worse than Kafirs by their fellow Muslims, still to help you know about the religion of your ancestors””””””””””””””””””””

    ‘Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with Allah, then He will inform them of everything they had done’ [Quran , 6:159]

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    “””””””””””””””””””any partners like Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani, or any idol like Kaba or Krishna with him in prayers etc.””””””””””””””””””””‘

    The word ALLAH means the only one God

    The example of those who take allies [ Gods ] other than Allah is like that of the spider who takes a home. And indeed, the weakest of homes is the home of the spider, if they only knew. [ Quran , 29:41 ]

    And worshipp Allah. Ascribe no thing as partner unto Him. (Show) kindness unto parents ……[ Quran , 4:36 ]

    Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin. [ Quran , 4 : 48 ]

    They have certainly disbelieved who say, ” Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah [ partner ] – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. [ Quran , 5:72 ]

    And [mention, O Muhammad], the Day We will gather them all together; then We will say to those who associated others with Allah , “Where are your ‘partners’ that you used to claim [with Him]?” [ Quran , 6 : 22 ]

    Say: Allah delivereth you from this and from all affliction. Yet ye attribute partners unto Him. [ Quran , 6:64 ]

    And when he saw the sun rising, he said, “This is my lord; this is greater.” But when it set, he said, “O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah . Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah .” [ Quran , 6 : 78-79 ]

    Say [O Muhammed ], “Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah , Lord of the worlds.No partner has He. And this I have been commanded, and I am the first [among you] of the Muslims.” [ Quran , 6 : 162-163]

    But when He gives them a good [child], they ascribe partners to Him concerning that which He has given them. Exalted is Allah above what they associate with Him. [ Quran, 7:190 ]

    Do they attribute as partners to Allah those who created nothing but they themselves are created?
    [ Quran , 7:191 ]

    And they worship other than Allah that which neither harms them nor benefits them, and they say, “These are our intercessors with Allah ” Say, “Do you inform Allah of something He does not know in the heavens or on the earth?” Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him [ Quran , 10 :18 ]

    And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship. [ Quran , 41:37 ]

    ” idol like Kaba”

    kaaba is not idol kaaba is a mosque and direction of prayer to all poeple around the world to unit there rows when praying and it is build by prophet abraham and his son ismael

    The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings [ Quran , 3:96 ]

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    “””””””””””””””””””””” Vedas teach the worshipping of One God alone””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    No you are wrong brother , so why there is many gods and idols as braham , krishna , shiva etc………

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    Now tell me why i want to be hindu while i am not indian , even its name “hindu” from the “hindi “language

    Huinduism is ethnic religion for only indians

    Islam means submission

    • Mahmoud
      ————-you didnt understood it the first comilation [ or collecting ] was collected in papers after months from the prophet’s death , then the seconed compilation is the papers collected in one book———

      1. Please make it clear what do you mean by “collected in papers”. Where were these verses collected before being collected in papers?
      2. When verses in papers were collected after death of Muhammad (again you are not clear how many months), why did it take 20 years to call it a book?
      3. How are process 1 (collecting all the verses in papers) and process 2 (making it a book) different from each other technically? Why not process 1 itself be called as compilation of book?
      4. What about the verses obtained from leaves, stones, leather, parchment, and even from the memories of humans? Why was the need of searching into leaves, leather and memories if Quran was compiled on paper already?
      5. What happened to those verses which goat ate?

      Please try to answer these 5 first

      ——————oh sorry maybe i mistaken , look at the tafsir , the verse was refering to the poeple of mecca because they are the first poeple to read the Quran-Lo! We have made it, We have brought the Book into existence [as], an Arabic Qur’ān, in the language of the Arabs, that perhaps you, O people of Mecca, may understand, [that you may] comprehend its meanings.—————–

      So its clear from Tafsir too that Allah’s intention is to make Arabs understand Quran. Non Arabs are proven to be unfortunate again 🙁

      ————–Hope the tafsir helps you————–

      Of course Tafsir helped me again prove you wrong when it makes clear that “they” in these verses are only Arabs and these verses and thus Quran are relevant for Arabs only!

      —————Sorry bro i read this topic it is non-sense and there is no proof of vedas———————-

      Vedas are present so no question of their proof! You could not give a single Mantra which can be claimed as fabricated! Regarding your opinion about that article, it looks more of a case of sour grapes than anything else 🙁

      ———————–estaghfarallah , bro ALLAh [ The only one God ] sent books before Quran in another languages as torah and bible in hebrew—————

      Couldn’t understand the first word, may be it is some revelation from Allah as a sign of anger over me for my claim that Allah only knows Arabic 🙂

      Anyway I agree that Allah knows four languages, so what? Why does He not know Hindi, Chinese, English, Marathi, Tamil, Russian, french, German, Bangla? If He knows, what was the problem in sending revelations in those?

      —————You didnt understand it , Allah said in the verse if he revealed Quran in the area of mecca [ arabic language] in a non-arab language the poeple would say : Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?————–

      Now I am saying- Why did not Allah send Quran in our language? Why is Allah so worried about the inconvenience of Arabs (10% of total population) but not of poor non Arabs (90% of total population)?

      ————–Translation is our Job , if he would translate them it is very is for him but he want us to strive and learn from each others and teach and spread his massege—————–

      Who is this “our”? Again Arabs! And will translations by humans be as perfect as from Allah? If no, non Arabs have no option other than believing blindly in something imperfect 🙁

      —————–‘Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with Allah, then He will inform them of everything they had done’ [Quran , 6:159]——————

      So you mean all those who call themselves as Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, Qadiyanis are Kafirs? If so, I cant see any Muslim in the world!

      ——————–The word ALLAH means the only one God

      The example of those who take allies [ Gods ] other than Allah is like that of the spider who takes a home. And indeed, the weakest of homes is the home of the spider, if they only knew. [ Quran , 29:41 ] And worshipp Allah. Ascribe no thing as partner unto Him. (Show) kindness unto parents ……[ Quran , 4:36 ]——————————

      Muslims remember Muhamamd 5 times a day along with Allah in prayers. Believing in One Allah alone cant help you get Jannat, but belief in Muhammad is necessary in addition to Allah. So how does it matter whether God is one or two or thousands, when the key to Jannat is with Muhammad (or in your case with Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani)?

      —————kaaba is not idol kaaba is a mosque and direction of prayer to all poeple around the world to unit there rows when praying and it is build by prophet abraham and his son ismael————–

      Kaba is an idol for sure! Muslims bow down to it, kiss it, and circumambulate it. This is all what an idol worshipper does to its idol!

      ——————No you are wrong brother , so why there is many gods and idols as braham , krishna , shiva etc………———————–

      Show me the Mantra from Vedas which says many gods or idols of Krishna etc.

      ———————Now tell me why i want to be hindu while i am not indian , even its name “hindu” from the “hindi “language. Huinduism is ethnic religion for only indians Islam means submission————————-

      Where did I say that you should become hindu? I talked about Vedas, which unlike Quran are for whole humanity! You dont need to be an Indian to understand Vedas unlike Quran which requires one to be an Arab to believe in it.

      And yes, Islam means submission, submission of one’s brain to idiocy, logic to blind beliefs, science to miracles, free will to slavery…. So inviting you to come out of this slavery by following Vedas.

      • “””””””””Please try to answer these 5 first””””””””””

        I answered them in the another topic

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        “”””””””””””So its clear from Tafsir too that Allah’s intention is to make Arabs understand Quran. Non Arabs are proven to be unfortunate again “”””””””””””””

        LOL after i posted the tafsir you still didnt understand

        (Thus We have revealed it as a Lecture in Arabic) We have sent down Gabriel with the Qur’an to Muhammad (pbuh) in the Arabic usage, (and have displayed therein) and have exposited in the Qur’an (certain threats) i.e. threats and promises, (that peradventure they may keep from evil) that perhaps they may ward off disbelief, idolatry and indecencies (or that it may cause them to take heed) or obtain a reward if they believed; it is also said that this means: or obtain eminence through the profession of Allah’s divine Oneness; it is also said that this means: or incur chastisement if they did not believe.

        And if Quran is sent in spanish you will say Quran is for spanish poeple only
        if Quran is sent in frensh you will say the same thing
        if Quran is sent in deutch you will say the same thing
        if Quran is sent in italien you will say the same thing

        And We have certainly made the Qur’an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember? [ Quran , 54 : 17 ]

        Here Allah made the Quran to be understanded not only in arabic

        The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind….. [ Quran , 2:185 ]

        Here Quran is for all mankind

        hope you understand and stop asking the same question

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        “””””””””‘Now I am saying- Why did not Allah send Quran in our language? Why is Allah so worried about the inconvenience of Arabs (10% of total population) but not of poor non Arabs (90% of total population)?””””””””””””””

        “”””””””””””””””””Anyway I agree that Allah knows four languages, so what? Why does He not know Hindi, Chinese, English, Marathi, Tamil, Russian, french, German, Bangla? If He knows, what was the problem in sending revelations in those?””””””””””””””

        if Quran is sent in spanish you will also say Why did not Allah send Quran in our language?
        if Quran is sent in frensh you will say the same thing
        if Quran is sent in deutch you will say the same thing
        if Quran is sent in italien you will say the same thing and so on …………

        its amazing when we see that 70 percent of muslim population is non-arabs 😀

        while 100 percent of hindus are indians and poeple who know hindi 😀
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        “”””””””””””””””””””””””Who is this “our”? Again Arabs! And will translations by humans be as perfect as from Allah? If no, non Arabs have no option other than believing blindly in something imperfect “””””””””””””

        LOL many indonesians and non-arabs translated Quran 😀

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        “””””””””””Muslims remember Muhamamd 5 times a day along with Allah in prayers. Believing in One Allah alone cant help you get Jannat, but belief in Muhammad is necessary in addition to Allah. So how does it matter whether God is one or two or thousands, when the key to Jannat is with Muhammad (or in your case with Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani)?””””””””””””””””

        LOL , muslims say “O allah bless muhammed and the poeple of mohammed and bless abraham and poeple of abraham ”

        you will say poeple of abraham is ethnic poeple [ like hindus are ethnic poeple from inia] , no poeple of abraham are the prophets

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        “”””””””Kaba is an idol for sure! Muslims bow down to it, kiss it, and circumambulate it. This is all what an idol worshipper does to its idol!”””””””””””

        kaaba is mosque , it is refered in Quran as a mosque even poeple can pray inside kaaba it self , it is direction of prayer which unites the rows of prayer in order to not be chaos way , and muslims circumambulate it while they say ” Lbayka allah om labayk , the praise and the grace to you the kingdom of every thing no partner with you”

        ————-

        “”””””””Where did I say that you should become hindu? I talked about Vedas, which unlike Quran are for whole humanity! You dont need to be an Indian to understand Vedas unlike Quran which requires one to be an Arab to believe in it.”””””

        LOL mate , are you really ????? , vedas is for all humanity , but i am not indian . The name hinduism came from the language “hindi” and all the Gods of hinduism are indians so why i need to be hindu while i am not arab

        as i said and repeated it many times “The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind….. [ Quran , 2:185 ]

        This [Qur’an] is a clear statement to [all] mankind and a guidance and instruction for those conscious of Allah .[ Quran , 3: 138 ]

        Why i need to be hindu while i didnt understand hindi language ?

      • Mahmoud
        I am restricting myself to just one question and one answer keeping in mind your intellectually challenged status

        Question

        Why did not Allah give Quran in all languages so that every human could get perfect revelation in his own language? Why the one who DOES NOT understand Arabic needs to believe blindly in an IMPERFECT interpretation (done by HUMANS)?

        Answer

        I talked about Vedas, not Hinduism. And you couldn’t take notice of my words “Where did I say that you should become hindu?” of my previous post, probably because of the same reason for which I restricted myself to just one question and one answer 🙁

  2. “””””””””””””””””””””” Also Quran was compiled and named Quran 20 years after Muhammad’s death. And the Caliph who compiled it was murdered by Aisha’s”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Wrong wrong wrong ,,,,,,,,, You get your informations wrong mate , the first process of Quran compilation is by Zaid bin Thabet [the prophet’s son in law and the best revealation writer and Quran memorizer ] he collected the Quran and compiled it in pages after monthes from the prophet’s death

    The seconed compilation process is done also by zaid bin thabet during the time of chaliph othman and compiled it in book [ Quran ] and witnessed by thausands of companions and this is the origional copy of Quran which caliph othman sent it to cairo and it in hussien [ The grand son of the prophet ] mosque

    Now show proof that your vedas is not corrupted or even show proof that your vedas is existed 3000 years ago 😀

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    “I don’t know Arabic like 99% Muslim of world. Unless I know Arabic, how can I understand any version of Quran. Unless I understand Quran, how can I believe in Quran? And if I believe in Quran without even knowing what it is, I am trying to cheat Allah and hence punishment for me is Hell.
    8. Quran [43:3] says- “We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand”. This verse indicates that Allah sent down Quran for those, who understand Arabic. So, when Allah himself says that this book is for Arabs, why should I, being a non Arab, believe in it?”

    I dont know from where you et your informations

    Quran [43:3]- “We have made it a Qur’an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand”

    ALLAH sent Quran in Arabic because arabic is language of “bala’gha”

    On what basic you said “This verse indicates that Allah sent down Quran for those, who understand Arabic” , in this verse ALLAH was speaking to mohammed “ye” refers to prophet mohamed

    And thus We have revealed it as an Arabic legislation. And if you [O Muhammad] should follow their inclinations after what has come to you of knowledge, you would not have against Allah any ally or any protector. [ Quran , 13:37 ]

    And thus We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an and have diversified therein the warnings that perhaps they will avoid [sin] or it would cause them remembrance. [ Quran , 20 : 113 ]

    And if We had revealed it (this Quran) unto any of the non-Arabs, And he had recited it to them [perfectly], they would [still] not have been believers in it. [ Quran , 26 : 198-199 ]

    And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur’an, they would have said, “Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?” Say, “It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure.” And those who do not believe – in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place. [ Quran , 41:44]

    Surely, We have sent down to you the Book with the Truth that you judge among mankind by whatever Allah has shown you; and do not be a constant adversary of the treacherous. [ Quran , 41 :44 ]

    Have the people been amazed that We revealed [revelation] to a man from among them, [saying], “Warn mankind and give good tidings to those who believe that they will have a [firm] precedence of honor with their Lord”? [But] the disbelievers say, “Indeed, this is an obvious magician.” [ Quran , 10 :2 ]

    The revelation of the Book (this Quran) is from the Lord of the ‘Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists) in which there is not doubt! [ Quran , 32 :2 ]

    Surely We have sent down upon you (The Prophet) the Book for mankind with the Truth. So whoever accepts guidance, then it is for his self, and whoever errs (away) then surely he errs away only against it; and in no way are you a constant trustee over them. [ Quran , 39:41]

    Quran is for all humanity

    Now how can i believe in a hindi ethnic religion [hinduism] while this religion is for indians and hindu Gods 😀

    Hope it helps 😀

    • Namaste Brother Mahmoud (This comment is for all humanity)

      If first compilation of Quran was perfect, why did that gentleman care to compile it again? Since you yourself claim that the second version was accepted as original Quran, it is obvious that the first one should be called as fake Quran! And look, the version compiled just after the death of Muhammad was fake! What does it show? What is the credibility of Uthman version if Muhammad version was fake?

      for more info, please visit http://Satyagni.com/3118/miracle-islam/ and this one to know why vedas can not be changed

      http://Satyagni.com/2697/why-vedas-cannot-be-changed/

      ——-On what basic you said “This verse indicates that Allah sent down Quran for those, who understand Arabic” , in this verse ALLAH was speaking to mohammed “ye” refers to prophet mohamed——-

      Ye is Second person plural pronoun, so it can never mean Muhammad unless there were many Muhammads in queue waiting for their revelations 🙂

      Which Tafsir says that “ye” in this verse is for Muhammad?

      ———And thus We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an and have diversified therein the warnings that perhaps they will avoid [sin] or it would cause them remembrance. [ Quran , 20 : 113 ]——–

      Who are “they” in this verse? Again Arabs! And you, in your zeal of pasting verses, forgot that the verses you are quoting go against your claim of Quran for all mankind including non Arabs!

      ———–And if We had revealed it (this Quran) unto any of the non-Arabs, And he had recited it to them [perfectly], they would [still] not have been believers in it. [ Quran , 26 : 198-199 ]———-

      So what does it show except that Allah only knew Arabic and even if He had to choose any non Arab as prophet, He could have not convinced even His non Arab prophet, forget about the people 🙁

      ————And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur’an, they would have said, “Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?” Say, “It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure.” And those who do not believe – in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place. [ Quran , 41:44]————

      Again, who is the one saying “our language”? It is again Arabs! And perhaps you missed whole point of this issue. Why was Allah so biased towards 10% Arabs so as to reveal His final and most perfect revelation in their language? Now I am asking question to Allah- “Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and a non Indian [messenger]”

      —————-Surely, We have sent down to you the Book with the Truth that you judge among mankind by whatever Allah has shown you; and do not be a constant adversary of the treacherous. [ Quran , 41 :44 ] ———-

      Why did not Allah reveal His most perfect and final revelation in all languages of the world so that a non Arab too would have access to direct Quran and not on some translation of it?

      ——-The revelation of the Book (this Quran) is from the Lord of the ‘Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists) in which there is not doubt! [ Quran , 32 :2 ]———-

      I have doubts and doubts only! What should I do? Perhaps these doubts are there because of Allah’s will of sealing my heart and veiling my eyes!

      MY COMMENT IS FOR ALL HUMANITY because it is written in my comment itself!

      May i know who were your ancestors BTW, I mean Arabs or Indians?

      PS: Though I dont debate any Qadiyani since they are considered worse than Kafirs by their fellow Muslims, still to help you know about the religion of your ancestors, The Vedas, i have responded you. Vedas teach the worshipping of One God alone and not associating any partners like Muhammad or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani, or any idol like Kaba or Krishna with him in prayers etc.

  3. Salaam to All my bro’s and sister’s,

    May all praise be to ALLAH.
    I really felt good after seeing this site and especially the knowledge of ISLAM what Non-Muslim’s have, MAy ALLAH give you and all of us HIDAYATH.
    Insha Allah one or the other day Allah will give you hidayath.

    As the argument was going on from the Start, lem me share ,Clarify and Prove few Doubts what you People have… This is not to hurt any one’s feeling or religion as every one out here are Matured and want to gain knowledge and to know the truth, i hope every one would agree this.

    Non-Muslim bro’s say that god RAM was a GOD..
    Where in RAVAN was a EVIL.

    But i say that RAVAN was more Superior than RAM and can also prove it.
    “When Ravaan Kidnapped Sita with in fraction of sec he went to lanka…
    where in it took years to get her back by RAM, also not only RAM went , but he went with the help of HANUMAAN and his Friends (monkeys) …!!!

    1. If he is a GOD why he took help???
    2.If he is GOD why he took so long to get her back???
    3. If he is GOD Why he got married to a women who has 4 husband’s???
    4. When GOD married a women who has FOUR husband’s why is that not even a Single Non-Muslim bro Practiced it???
    5. Are you sure RAVAN was a EVIL, One and alone Evil (RAVAN) took her in front of every one.

    Lem me give you another prove

    Non Muslim’s say that COW is god, They have a believe that once GOD wanted to realize the Cow’s problem then it became a COW to analyze its problems…
    Here i can Prove that When god can make a thing (living or non-living) GOD Dosn’t become or take a shape of a specific thing to analyze its problems…

    GOD made Human being,
    Human Being made Computer’s.
    If a computer is infected by Virus or gets crashed, Human-being will not become a Computer to check where the problem is, because he is SUPERIOR THAT IT…
    Where in He ( human-being) does not changes its shape and size to analyze and rectify the problem.

    Answer for a repeated question “MUSLIM’s (ISLAM) is very Cruel, they made Muslims on the tip of the SWARD point of a GUN etc etc….

    Ans : Bro’s and sister’s every one knows that from past 1400 years MUSLIMS (Followers “UMMA” of Muhammad P.B.U.H) is there.
    As per the serve done by an American says that from 1947-1997 the most people got Converted to Islam which is 230% of the existing Muslims of that time. Christianity was 47%.
    and after 9/11 with in a year 1MILLION People got converted to ISLAM alone in USA, where 67% where only FEMALE’s.

    Now tell me my bro’s which Muslim had done a war in this 1947-97 with a Sword or a Gun to forcibly CONVERTING a Non-Muslim to a MUSLIM???

    Which Muslim went to USA with a Sword or GUN in his hand CONVERTING a Non-Muslim to a MUSLIM???

    ..

    • @Pathan

      brother Pathan, this is a Vedic site. We follow Vedic ideals here. For us, Ram was just a great human being and a role model. We only worship the one and only Ishwar of Vedas who has no form and pervades the universe. So kindly do not bring in modern hindu ideals to a Vedic site, otherwise many people will not take interest in answering your questions.

      If you want to truly worship Allah, then follow the Vedas. Because in islam, you have to associate Mohammad’s name along with Allah’s name which is stupidity. As per Vedas, our worship is only for Ishwar, there is no messenger, no prophet, no rishi, no angle, no nothing, only you and Ishwar.

      I hope you understand my point.

    • @Pathan

      “Blah Blah… Blah Blah” –Now the question is how to respond to this sort of CHILDISH Comment??

      Option 1: Ignore it;
      Option 2: Trash it before Ignoring;
      Option 3: Jot down the Comment on a sheet and send it to a LAUGHTER CLUB to be used for Laughter Therapy;
      Option 4: Add to the list of “How NOT to comment”.

      Personally Option 3 APPEALS to me!!!

  4. Believe in one god and dont do idol worship, so say all muslims.

    Now that means I can convert to sikhism, and yes it is the latest religion. Later than islam. So, by muslim logic it is better than islam.

    Now what do you say muslim hypocrites?

      • @ASMAA

        well so far all the events associated with islam do not echo peace, but violence. Maybe in arabic peaces means violence and vice versa. This is why Quran orders muslims to kill kafirs and apostates, wow an excellent defintion of peace. If islam is peace then what is violence?

  5. Dear All:

    Of late, I have come to think that Mohammed was actually a genius misunderstood. Here’s why.

    He was probably pissed off at the shallowness of the Abrahamic religions before his time. He easily saw through the nonsense that amongst all the different exotic people existing on the planet, no one specific set of people (the Israelites) were the chosen people. I mean, why them? What was so special about the Israelites that they were chosen/preferred by God over all others. Did they all have eleven fingers or two penises, etc.? Obviously not. Then, he was also pissed at having some missionary telling him that he should follow arguably the greatest Jew of all times – Jesus. This stupid missionary claimed that Jesus was the Son of God and therefore Mohammed was supposed to seek union with God *only* through the mediatorship of Jesus. Otherwise he was to go to eternal hell as he would be an apostate/infidel. Mohammed was probably an atheist/pagan himself. (Despite his other failings most famous amongst which is his paedophilia, I still think the man was a genius.) So he came up with a brilliant idea when he was inside a cave trying to protect himself from the desert sun. Why not I take the Old Testament/New Testament. Let me find out all prophecies within them. Then, let me simply proclaim myself as the last prophet to come on earth to satisfy all OT/NT prophecies!!! That will teach those self-righteous Jews/Christians the lesson they so richly deserved! Obviously he was just making stuff up and he hoped that people would easily see through his claim of exclusivity and finality. Once they realized he was just making things up, they would also junk the other Abrahamic religions that also contained claims of exclusivity and finality. Or so he hoped. He was a genius and a great man precisely because he was willing to stick his neck out in the hope that Jews/Christians would see the falseness of their religion.

    But alas, this genius couldnt foresee that as time passed, the new-fangled Muslims would take his false religion just as seriously as the Christians seven centuries before him had 🙁

    What do you guys think? I actually have a little bit of new-found respect for the atheist/pagan Mohammed. No? Why could this NOT have been the case? I would love to hear from Muslims.

  6. @Satyagni
    i am a psychologist and after reading your whole article and questions i reached on this conclusion point that you are a confused and fully depressed person,you should consultant with any Psychologist immediately other wise your condition can be worsen, and if you want to find the answer of any question you should study that properly first and then post it on any blog,and they way you had asked different questions seems you don’t have any knoweldge about ISLAM and you are not an educated person who just listen someone talk and made up story with out going into its actual meaning,(most of your questions were based on this unreasoning thinkings ),i wish for your quick recovery from this depersonalization disorder,best of luck my friend,

    • @dr m awan

      I suggest you first check on Dr. Zakir Naik, because he is the root of all the problems we are facing today. And make sure you give him some discount on his fees since his brain is far more illogical than a 3 year old kid. Most importantly, Zakir Naik will be a great experience for you that will help your qualifications get better.

    • @dr m awan
      instead of talking tosh here, why can’t you back your statements with proofs, facts? we know you can’t. so its not Satyagni who needs medical treatement but its you. get one doc.

    • Dr Sahib m awan
      Will you please help me get out of this confusion? I too am confused like Satyagni 🙁

      Can you tell me why did Allah create us?

    • @dr awan

      So Satyagni is confused and depressed as per your psycho-analysis. Good !

      Any insights on someone who marries a 6 year old baby ?

      Also, since you abhor “made up stories”, how do you digest the breaking of moon and crying of stone ones ?

    • @Dr(?)Awan

      I am confused a bit and hope you can clarify. Are psychologists like you bound to take the Hippocratic Oath? If so, (going by the description on Wikipedia), you are unfortunately committing shirk, bro 🙁

      From Wikipedia I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:.

      Did you take the Oath?

      Next, if your sister/brother/mother/father/daughter/son converts out of Islam and becomes an apostate, but needs your medical help, which would take precedence? Would you provide them medical treatment/help as per the Oath? Or would Shariah take over and would you be happy with their death sentence and deny them useless treatment when they are going to die anyway?

    • @dr . awan

      Please I DO need psychiatric treatment. Whenever I see a mosque, I feel like bombing it, whenever I see a muslim I feel like killing him, whenever I see a burkha clad muslim women I feel like tearing the burkha anf raping her. I know it is psychological problem in me.

      Bigger problem is I dont feel like doing it with any other religion, ONLY muslims. Do you have a cure for this mental disease of mine?

  7. the only thing that you have to have faith in to be a muslim is , that you believe in the oneness of God ,that He is the creator of the universe , He is the one who is creator of all humans, all the galaxies , who is the creator of this universe, He is THE ONE , with no-one to even come close to His glory . He is not a father to anybody, He is not anybody’s son . He is one and only. He sent messengers to earth to teach his people how to live this life . Just as everything comes with a book on how to use the product . Our creator created us and told us how to live by sending His messengers who taught us how to live this life. Jesus(RA), Moses(RA) , Muhammad (PBUH) are all His messengers .Prophet (PBUH) is the last messenger of Allah (God) and the relegion Islam was completed. Allah told us everything on how to live this life by sending the Books of God , Bible, Torat , Injeel , Quran are all books of God. Quran is the last book of God, in which He completed all the things we need to live this life. All the other books ( the original version of Bible , Torat , Injeel ) mentioned Quran and that there will be anther book to complete the Religion. Those people who believe in this are Muslims . There should be no confusion. If somebody have got faith in it and know this truth then obviously he/she will try to find the truth. Any questions , you can email me , and i will be happy to discuss 🙂 , Peace. May Allah bless you all

    • @Ali:

      Any debate will usually be enlightening for you. It may or may not be so for me. (Historically, there have been zero Muslim posts here that have made me think.) So, debating will be worth your while but may not be for me.

      Let me see your response to the issues posed here.

      After posting your response there, provide a link here so that I can read it. Also, go through the many debates between people like you and others on this website. Instead of rehashing the same-old-same-old see if you can find a problem with our position. If so, AND ONLY IF SO, come back here.

      Otherwise engaging with you will be a waste of my time.

    • could you please tell me where in bible did they mention about quran?
      Also could you prove that muhammad is the last prophet and not Mirza ghulam azad? Excpet muhammad telling he is the last prophet could you please give some other proof.
      How do you know whatever spoke to your propeht is not satan but god?

      Why did jesus say i and my father are one. Is jesus a prophet. the statement contradicts your saying that god is not father of anyone. can a prophet say lies?

      When is the judgement day? What use is telling that quran has lot of scientific things without giving information about how long shall i rot in my grave till god resurrects me?

    • @Ali

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

      Narrated by Aisha:

      The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub [ritually impure due to sexual intercourse or semen discharge]. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar [dress worn below the waist] and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods.

      Ali, how can I believe in a man who had seuxal relations with a 9 year old girl? and take him as my role model? Would you allow your 9 year old daughter/sister to marry at age of 6 and then at age of 9 have sexual relations with a 50+ aged man, despite her menstruating at this age? Answer me that, please.

      Also, how can you prove to me that Mohammed is LAST prophet of God? Science tells us that there are around 1000 trillion galaxies in (this) universe alone! Surely, the chances are that their is other life in this universe apart from Earth is very large considering that a fraction’s fraction of this universe has been explored. Does Allah not operate in other planets? Has the Quran not been revealed in other planets? Or is Mohammed just the last prophet on Earth? Is this said during the Kalma then?

      I’m not trying to be a ‘smartass’, but I would only want to highlight whether these type of philosophical and scientific questioning is allowed in the Muslim world because I think that most Muslims are not allowed to think freely or to question certain aspects of life because allegedly, you people all ready have the answers to life…

      You talk about how Quran is the final word of God. How come he needed to give out several books? How was life different between the Torah’s conception and the Quran’s? Also, Quran 2:87 and 2:253 state that Jesus had the Holy Spirit. Did Mohammed have it? Or was the beginning of the Quran just appealing to Jews and Christians as Mohammed needed their help in his first battles? Anyways, there was for example no science in the Quran that was unknown before. The world before the Quran knew about the shape of the Earth (even though Muslims at that time thought it was flat). The Indians had already had vivid discussions about the universe. The Indians also, along with the Greeks knew the round shape of the Earth and also knew about embryology as well as force of gravity, advanced mathematics, metallurgy etc. What is so enlightening about the Quran?

      I’m taking it for granted you are Indian. Now ask yourself, why are you Muslim? Don’t ever question the Jizyah tax, Zamindari system and the forceful conversions. Remember, Sharia, or God’s/Divine Law allows forceful conversion and death for insulting or questioning Islam even. This discussion we are having right now, would spell my death according to Allah’s Laws. Don’t you find this wrong in any way? I mean, if this was the case in Indian societies, Buddhism would never have been born for example. So many revolutionary and groundbreaking ideologies, ideas etc have been born because one is allowed to question conformity – whether religious or social conformity. How much of this open thinking can we see in Saudi Arabia and Iran?

      You really think Niqab, Hijab etc. are for the welfare of women? You really think that the passing of woman, ass or dog annuls a prayer? I mean you really believe in such superstitions? You really beleive that idol worshippers are greedy for life and is bound to be punished (Quran 2:96)? Even the poor farmers who pray for rain to an idol of Jesus or Ganesh? Remember, Quran is word of God and must be taken literally:

      [54:17]

      And we have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

      The above states that Quran was made easy to remember and understand. So why would God then speak in symbolical and metaphorical terms? Not everyone can master these forms of language or speech. Why would God make it harder for us to remember the Quran by speaking in poems allegorically? The Quran is after all the direct, final and literal words of Allah.

      Finally:

      [Quran, 2:170]

      “When it is said to them; “Follow what Allah hath revealed.” They say: “Nay! We shall follow the ways of our fathers.” What! Even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?”

      Will Mohammed’s parents go to Jannah? Will I see my non-Muslim ancestors in Jannah? If I convert to Islam today, will I see my grandparents or my parents and siblings in Jannah if they choose not to convert? Will you see your non-Muslim ancestors in Jannah?

  8. Hello,
    Who you are?
    Why do you want to be a Muslim?
    Why do you confuse?
    What kind of help do you need?

    You wrote : Finally I bow down the glory of Alla.
    If you are Confuse,Why did you bow down?

    You are a big liar,You are a Muslim,and you do not have any confuse.
    You publish this for confuse non Muslim peoples,
    REMEMBER!!!!!!! WE ARE NOT FOOLS……..PLEASE DO NOT CHEAT US.

  9. I want to be muslim, BUT, the holy name of islam is sooooo spoilt, I dont want to accept it. Muslims are so much hated worldwide (wonder why) that I am afraid for my life, god knows when there will be a riot, and some hindu will kill me.
    I KNOW those who accept islam are brave people and dont fear anybody, but I am originally a hindu, I wonder if I convert to islam how come I will become brave overnight?

    • It is just the faith in Allah , the belief that He will be there for you . He is the creator and He is the one who gave us this life and there will be a life hereafter. That will be eternal life and it will depend on how we live this life.

      • @ali,
        take your faith in false god allah and shove it up yours. WHY do you force your religion down other peoples throat? If you forcibly stop me dri nking liquor, becuase its forbidden in islam, I will forcibly pour liquor down your unwilling throat.

  10. this is just anti-muslim propaganda…you shouldn’t be advertising this shit on facebook as ‘a way to islam’…what you are offering is a way to hinduism… this is misleading…..and there are points you make that ain’t even true…and the biggest bullcrap i’ve ever heard!!! you are youself so misguided and ignorant…but don’t drag people who wants to revert to islam into this shit!

    • @arsehole:

      this is just anti-muslim propaganda

      Islam/Quran/Hadiths are just anti-Hindu, anti-Jew, anti-Christian, anti-atheist, anti-Qadiyani, anti-just-about-everything-else propaganda. No?

      but don’t drag people who wants to revert to islam into this shit!

      Islam is shit!

  11. this is just anti-muslim propaganda…you shouldn’t be advertising this shit on facebook as ‘a way to islam’…what you are offering is a way to hinduism… this is misleading…..and there are points you make that ain’t even true…and the biggest bullcrap i’ve ever heard!!! you are youself so misguided and ignorant…but don’t drag people who wants to revert to islam into this shit…

  12. Dear All,

    You are honestly argumenting for nothing!!! If anyone wants to be a Muslim, Just go to a sunni masque ( they follow Main Hadith, Quran, ijma Kias..etc. Just Read ..Laaaaaa Ilaha Illallahu, Muhammadur Rasulullah..!! You have to have strong believe on this and you have to have witness with you. Then lear the basic things properly, read histories, Hadith, isma kias, Learn how to pray and recite Holy Quran….step by step…then try to judgment…are you wrong or right!! If Quran is fake then how come things which are discovering by Scientist, astrologist recently are already in the Holy Quran, Its writen before thousands of years but still nothings changed…!! Because Allah Himself protecting the Holly Quran as he promised to us in te Holy Quran!!

    May Allah Bless you all and help you to find the true path!!

    Ameen!!

  13. Hinduism is not a religion. The Arabs could not pronunciate the word Shindu(river) referring to people living in the Indus Vallyey and used to call them Hindu and the European called then Indians from Indus. People living in South Asia worshipped everything they could not beat or anything too big starting from Snake, Elephant, Wild Buffalo, Fire, Sun,. Ocean, and so on. They are basically shamanist who have got shallow depth of spiritualism which is culturally inherent. As a human being I respect them but I pity upon them as most of them will never have revealations. May Allah help them. If I worship an elephant am I superior to a beast? Definitely not. I am human sub-beast.

  14. My dear brother/sister in islam. The answer lies in your own passage :

    7. I don’t know Arabic like 99% Muslim of world. Unless I know Arabic, how can I understand any version of Quran. Unless I understand Quran, how can I believe in Quran? And if I believe in Quran without even knowing what it is, I am trying to cheat Allah and hence punishment for me is Hell.

    Learn classical Arabic. It would let you understand the Quran in its true meaning. Because no translated text can preserve the true meaning. Similarly, analyze all the Ahadiths as per their original Arabic texts.If you put that little effort to learn Arabic, you need not run behind all those materialistic and wicked Ulemas all around us today.

    Read the Quran with open mind with an intention that its God’s word. You are not required to follow blindly Zakir Naik , or any other Ulema unless you cross-verified what they told. You are not required to follow some Sunni, or shia or some other sect. The ultimate judge is Allah and his justice is flawless. Because it is he who knows what is in mens heart.Just follow the Quran. Stay away from people who preach hatred against non-muslims.It is not Islam. Respect every being on earth and practice tolerance.

    May Allah reward you.

  15. WHY I AM NOT A MUSLIM

    1. Because belief in Allah or God alone is not sufficient to accept Islam. One must believe in Muhammad being last Prophet, Judgment Day, existence of Angels and Satan, Quran being final edition of God’s message and best book on earth, and other unverifiable beliefs to be a Muslim. I am referring here to the religion of Islam and not to meaning of word Islam.

    2. Because Islam believes Quran to be last statement of Allah. Now, if Allah’s knowledge is perfect, then the first statement of Allah should be sufficient to guide the world. But if indeed Allah sends new editions, why should he send no further editions, especially when world has changed completely from the medieval era when Quran first came!

    3. Because Quran was written after Muhammad’s death by his followers. Now all his followers including her dearest wife were fighting for each others’ life immediately since Muhammad’s death. How can one rely on such bloodthirsty people?

    4. Because modern research in neurology has very clearly proved that the symptoms exhibited by Muhammad during times when Ayats of Quran were revealed, and even when in childhood he felt as if abducted by aliens, are exactly the same as in case of Temporal Lobe Epilepsy (TLE). This rare disorder causes the patient to believe that he or she is a Prophet and starts having visions of God/ Satan and divine message. Even confirmed Atheists have been found to turn prophetically religious due to this disorder. There are several such patients who still roam about the planet who consider themselves a Prophet and we have documented medical history of these patients. It is also found out that such patients often try to start having false fits to prove themselves as Prophet. The symptoms of Muhammad match exactly, except that brain-scan technology was not available in his times.
    This however is a matter of great inspiration that Muhammad took even his serious disorder as a tool to reform the uncivilized Arabic society and create a history. This is an example for all of us!

    5. Because Muhammad married innumerable times in his life. Right from someone 20 years elder to someone who was just 6 years old. This does not fit norms of current society. One should consider that this was normal in the society where Muhammad was born. In fact he did a great service and set a great example by banning malpractices like people marrying each others’ daughters and even very close relatives. His acts were a step in right direction, but cannot be considered final example to follow.
    While he reduced polygamy from innumerable wives to only four, we need to take his example further and agree with modern findings that monogamy is best. A Quran which gives liberty for up to 4 wives till end of this world, and refuses to accept further amendments is not acceptable.

    6. Because Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was just 9 years old. While many scholars claim that Aisha had achieved puberty by that time, this should not be an example to emulate in today’s modern society. With due respect to Muhammad for his foresight, a girl should not be married before she has grown completely physically, has matured and has completed her education. Scientific researches indicate that 18 should be the minimum age.

    7. Because while Muhammad freed many slaves and made it a noble act as per Quran, he did not ban it completely. The concept of one being slave and having no right to free himself without permission of his master is against the very ethos of human rights. So while Quran can be taken as a step in right direction for an Arabic society where slavery was so prevalent, it cannot be final edition of social system for today and times to come.

    8. Because Quran allows sex with slaves and concubines, apart from legally wedded wives. This is supposed to benefit both master and slave. This maybe a reminiscent of disgusting Arabic culture of that era, but cannot be accepted today and forever. Muhammad himself had concubines like Maria as per several texts. One can forgive Muhammad for this because after all he too was a human and impacted by the society in which he was born and brought up. One cannot expect anyone to suddenly start behaving as per norms of the society that would emerge 1000 years later. We should take clues from progress that Muhammad made and take this journey further. However unfortunately, most Muslims close their minds to belief that Quran and Muhammad are the last word on what is right and wrong, and there is no scope for further amendments till the world ends.

    9. Because as per Quran and Hadiths, all those who do not blindly believe in Allah, Prophet and Quran shall go to Hell forever. Hadiths even allow killing and attacking of non-believers and those who leave Islam. This is extremely fanatic and perhaps the reason why so many become terrorists and hate rest of the world. Further Quran also asserts that there would be no further editions of Allah’s message and Muhammad was last Prophet. One can understand why Muhammad wrote all this – to make sure no one else opposes Muhammad in near term and sabotage his plans of reforming a degrading society. Had he not put this clause, many others would have stood up feigning as Prophets and cause confusion. Due to efforts of our great forefathers and men of history, humanity has discovered so many new fields of knowledge and made remarkable researches in existing fields. It is time to incorporate these lessons in our philosophy and consider entire humanity as deserving and achieving bliss. Its time to get back to basics.

    10. Because as per Quran, those believing in Quran, Allah and Prophet shall have Paradise where each man will have 72 virgins to enjoy and 28 young pearly eyed boys. Further there would be sweet water, wine and good food to eat. This description was a strategy by Muhammad to attract the materialistic and characterless Arab elements of his times to path of so called wisdom. But problem happens when even educated Muslims start taking these descriptions literally.

    11. Because while Islam gave so called rights and respect to women still fall far short of current civilized standards. Thus in Islam, a wife cannot give Talaq but husband can. If a husband gives Talaq to his wife, and now wants to repent, there is no way left. Now the woman must marry another person, have sex with him, then have Talaq and go back to earlier husband. This makes an innocent woman a prostitute for no fault of hers.
    The testimony of two females are considered equal to that of one male. Those defending this claim that this is so because women are not intelligent. Even Hadiths say so. This is an insult to womanhood. Modern society believes that men and women have equal rights and capabilities. Let this be our guiding path.

    12. Because Muhammad made his adopted son to divorce his wife Zaynab to marry her himself. This is breaking the universal civilized custom that adopted sons are considered equivalent to own sons. Some biographers say that Muhammad had chance to see Zaynab undressed accidentally and that caused this episode to happen. Whatever may be the true reason, that is not important. But in today’s era, it is called lust. All women apart from one’s own wife should be given the same respect that we accord to our mother. This is in best interest of women and humanity in general.

    13. Because while Islam bans several forms of close-circle marriages, it still allows marriage among several close relations. Modern genetics has proven that consanguineous marriage are cause of genetic disorders. Studies have proven that Muslims show higher incidence of such genetic diseases, which also affect mental development. Thus we should take a clue from progress that Muhammad displayed and take it one step further.

    14. Because apart from Quran, Islam also demands belief in Hadiths and Tafseers, bulk of which consists of unscientific concepts and disgusting, even unhygienic details on management of urine, semen, menses, latrine, saliva etc. Some even talk of how Prophet refused to wash hands after bowels and spitted on mouth of others and gave his saliva to children. Some talk of how women should suckle young men to make them sons, and others on how even children and women could be killed when fighting non-Muslims. Muslims should reject half of the Hadiths as respect to the great Muhammad.

    15. Because Quran believes that this life is first and last chance to get ticket to either Paradise or Hell. The life is a test to clear and get access to Paradise full of luxuries. This seems ridiculous because if Allah is just, he should give same testing environment to all examinees. But what we see is that one is born in home of a Momin, one in home of Kafir, one in home of terrorist, one dies in womb, other in childhood, and another lives for 100 years. Some scholars say that all children would get Paradise. But is it not unfair then that Allah did not kill everyone in childhood itself. If one studies Quran closely, one would find that Muhammad earlier gave concept of rebirth, in lines with eastern traditions. But then changed his stand to tame the uncivilized Arabs.

    16. Because Quran itself claims that certain verses have been inserted in Quran by Satan and it is difficult to find those verses.

    The list can continue further. But the key point is that knowledge is a never ending process. The moment we say a fullstop to it, we call for disaster. That is why Vedas, the oldest texts, were so open ended. They gave hints and directions, but left the rest for exploration of humans. And they completely avoided getting into ritualistic details. But in case of Quran and Hadith, they get into significant rigidity. That is not wrong, considering that legendary Muhammad had set out to tame a completely wild Arabic society. He had little options but to call Quran the final word and this life the final life and himself the Final Prophet. His ploy was a great success. Now is the time to take his good work even further. Let us work further to discover the new Islam to guide the present generation. Let us start from the basics and evolve the Quran for today. Vedas shall provide a lot of clues for this great work. But at the least, let us jettison all those concepts of Quran and Hadiths which are clearly against science, humanity, justice and equality and make it contemporary. Let us be inspired by the benchmarks that Muhammad set, despite suffering from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, and bring further progress to ideas that this great man gave. Let us write a new Quran for today, and reject the old, in same way as Muhammad rejected the Arabic way and wrote a Quran from very basics.

    Muhammad did not have access to either eastern knowledge or modern researches. But thankfully we have. Let us use them to fullest like Muhammad would have, like any of our great brilliant role models would have done. And let us evolve a new Quran and throw all satanic /hate verses out of window. Alas after that Quran will be an empty book.

    Till that happens, I am not a Muslim!

  16. Islam Q&A ;

    You are a practicer of Taquiyya. Koran incites hate more than Hitlers Mien Kanf. If you take out the ‘hate verses’ there is not much left which consists of about 80% of it.

    Rest of the verses are just incomprehensible, unintelligent mumbo-jumbo / garbage.

    Do you know the history of Koran? I guess no. The so -called peace verses are of the time when murderer MohamMAD was weak in Medina. The verses he took out in Mecca later supersede them.

    I had mailed many articles /arguments to a Taquiyya practicing woman of Delhi, Sadia Dehalvi, a so called sufi historian propagating so called peace in Islam. So far she does not have the guts to even reply to a single mail.

    Wake up.

  17. Why is Geert Wilders “anti-Islam,” and what is his message to the Muslims?

    Freedom fighter Geert Wilders makes an important and illuminating statement at MuslimsDebate.com: “Muslims Debate asked Mr. Geert Wilders why he became anti-Islam and what is his message to the Muslims?”

    I first visited an Islamic country in 1982.

    I was 18 years old and had traveled with a Dutch friend from Eilat in Israel to the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm-el-Sheikh.

    We were two almost penniless backpacking students.

    We slept on the beaches and found hospitality with Egyptians, who spontaneously invited us to tea.

    I clearly recall my very first impression of Egypt: I was overwhelmed by the kindness, friendliness and helpfulness of its people.

    I also remember my second strong impression of Egypt: It struck me how frightened these friendly and kind people were.

    While we were in Sharm el-Sheikh, President Mubarak happened to visit the place.

    I remember the fear which suddenly engulfed the town when it was announced that Mubarak was coming on an unexpected visit; I can still see the cavalcade of black cars on the day of his visit and feel the almost physical awareness of fear, like a cold chill on that very hot day in Summer.

    It was a weird experience; Mubarak is not considered the worst of the Islamic tyrants and yet, the fear of the ordinary Egyptians for their leader could be felt even by me. I wonder how Saudis feel when their King is in town, how Libyans feel when Gaddafi announces his coming, how Iraqis must have felt when Saddam Hussein was near. A few years later, I read in the Koran how the 7th century Arabs felt in the presence of Muhammad, who, as several verses describe, “cast terror into their hearts” (suras 8:12, 8:60, 33:26, 59:12).

    From Sharm el-Sheikh, my friend and I went to Cairo. It was poor and incredibly dirty. My friend and I were amazed that such a poor and filthy place could be a neighbor of Israel, which was so clean. The explanation of the Arabs, with whom we discussed their poverty, was that they were not in any way to blame for this affliction: They said they were the victims of a global conspiracy of “imperialists” and “Zionists”, aimed at keeping Muslims poor and subservient. I found that explanation unconvincing. My instinct told me it had something to do with the different cultures of Israel and Egypt.

    I made a mistake in Cairo. We had almost no money and I was thirsty. One could buy a glass of water at public water collectors. It did not look clean, but I drank it. I got a terrible diarrhea. I went to a hostel where one could rent a spot on the floor for two dollars a day. There I lay for several days, a heap of misery in a crowded, stinking room, with ten other guys. Once Egypt had been the most advanced civilization on earth. Why had it not progressed along with the rest of the world?

    In the late 1890s, Winston Churchill was a soldier and a war correspondent in British India (contemporary Pakistan) and the Sudan. Churchill was a perceptive young man, whose months in Pakistan and the Sudan allowed him to grasp with amazing clarity what the problem is with Islam and “the curses it lays on its votaries.”

    “Besides the fanatical frenzy, …, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy,” he wrote. “The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist where the followers of the Prophet rule or live. … The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a sole man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. … Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.” And Churchill concluded: “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

    There are people who say that I hate Muslims. I do not hate Muslims. It saddens me how Islam has robbed them of their dignity. What Islam does to Muslims is visible in the way they treat their daughters. On March 11, 2002, fifteen Saudi schoolgirls died as they attempted to flee from their school in the holy city of Mecca. A fire had set the building ablaze. The girls ran to the school gates but these were locked. The keys were in the possession of a male guard, who refused to open the gates because the girls were not wearing the correct Islamic dress imposed on women by Saudi law: face veils and overgarments.

    The “indecently” dressed girls frantically tried to save their young lives. The Saudi police beat them back into the burning building. Officers of the Mutaween, the “Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice,” as the Police are known in Saudi Arabia, also beat passers-by and firemen who tried to help the girls. “It is sinful to approach them,” the policemen warned bystanders. It is not only sinful, it is also a criminal offence.

    Girls are not valued highly in Islam; the Koran says that the birth of a daughter makes a father’s “face darken and he is filled with gloom” (sura 43:15). Nevertheless, the incident at the Mecca school drew angry reactions. Islam is inhumane; but Muslims are humans, hence capable of Love – that powerful force which Muhammad despised. Humanity prevailed in the Meccan fathers who were incensed over the deaths of their daughters; it also prevailed in the firemen who confronted the Mutaween when the latter were beating the girls back inside, and in the journalists of the Saudi paper which, for the first time in Saudi history, criticized the much feared and powerful “Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice.”

    However, Muslim protests against Islamic inhumanity are rare. Most Muslims, even in Western countries, visit mosques and listen to shocking Koranic verses and to repulsive sermons without revolting against them.

    I am an agnosticus myself. But Christians and Jews hold that God created man in His image. They believe that by observing themselves, as free and rational beings capable of love, they can come to know Him. They can even reason with Him, as the Jews have done throughout their history. The Koran, on the contrary, states that “Nothing can be compared with Allah” (sura 16:74, 42:11). He has absolutely nothing in common with us. It is preposterous to suppose that Allah created man in his image. The biblical concept that God is our father is not found in Islam. There is no personal relationship between man and Allah, either. The purpose of Islam is the total submission of oneself and others to the unknowable Allah, whom we must serve through total obedience to Muhammad as leader of the Islamic state (suras 3:31, 4:80, 24:62, 48:10, 57:28). And history has taught us that Muhammad was not at all a prophet of love and compassion, but a mass murderer, a tyrant and a pedophile. Muslims could not have a more deplorable role model.

    Without individual freedom, it is not surprising that the notion of man as a responsible agent is not much developed in Islam. Muslims tend to be very fatalistic. Perhaps – let us certainly hope so – only a few radicals take the Koranic admonition to wage jihad on the unbelievers seriously. Nevertheless, most Muslims never raise their voice against the radicals. This is the “fearful fatalistic apathy” Churchill referred to.

    The author Aldous Huxley, who lived in North Africa in the 1920s, made the following observation: “About the immediate causes of things – precisely how they happen – they seem to feel not the slightest interest. Indeed, it is not even admitted that there are such things as immediate causes: God is directly responsible for everything. ‘Do you think it will rain?’ you ask pointing to menacing clouds overhead. ‘If God wills,’ is the answer. You pass the native hospital. ‘Are the doctors good?’ ‘In our country,’ the Arab gravely replies, in the tone of Solomon, ‘we say that doctors are of no avail. If Allah wills that a man die, he will die. If not, he will recover.’ All of which is profoundly true, so true, indeed, that is not worth saying. To the Arab, however, it seems the last word in human wisdom. … They have relapsed – all except those who are educated according to Western methods – into pre-scientific fatalism, with its attendant incuriosity and apathy.”

    Islam deprives Muslims of their freedom. That is a shame, because free people are capable of great things, as history has shown. The Arab, Turkish, Iranian, Indian, Indonesian peoples have tremendous potential. It they were not captives of Islam, if they could liberate themselves from the yoke of Islam, if they would cease to take Muhammad as a role model and if they got rid of the evil Koran, they would be able to achieve great things which would benefit not only them but the entire world.

    As a Dutch, a European and a Western politician, my responsibility is primarily to the Dutch people, to the Europeans and the West. However, since the liberation of the Muslims from Islam, will benefit all of us, I wholeheartedly support Muslims who love freedom. My message to them is clear: “Fatalism is no option; ‘Inch’ Allah’ is a curse;

    Submission is a disgrace.

    Free yourselves. It is up to you.

    Geert Wilders

  18. *_*

    Dear Brothers & Sisters

    When we so confused we should go through 2 things only

    1. The book of Allah Holy Quran
    2. The Practice of our Beloved Prophet Mohammad (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) Hadiths.

    Then we and our confusion ‘ll be removed otherwise we go astray if we don’t stop argument cause argument ‘ll kick us on the way of hell.

    So pleases you all are hearty requested to stop that argument and follow that which i mentioned plzz.

    May Allah guide us to the right path and truth path of Jannah.

    **AAMEEN**

  19. TO ALL;
    i only knows that all human beings come to the earth by the unique religion”SANATAN”. all are happening by the rules of sanatan . sanatan indicates or meanings is forever of evergreen or modern or immortal. all religion are under the same roof of “sanatan” . look at the sun …..you can not afford to create or destroy it but feel the sun shine . so sanatan is the sun and shines are the different faith not religion . because what is the religion of the human being….all man and women are doing almost the same thing . rising early in the morning, eating, bathing, working , sleeping and so on and on…..but what is religion ? religion is finding the GOD or getting bless of GOD…Veda is such kind of formula for finding the path to getting the GOD. GITA is the pioneer to understand your good or evil work . think once again “sri ram krishna , bamakhapa , baba loknath , viswamitra muni and lots of many are finding the GOD or darshan the GOD .they understand the philosophy of god . they want to see the GOD and they do it by the right way…. even if your are thinking that your religion is the right and it is best but the credit goes to SANATAN .

  20. @Indian Agnostic

    Debating on such platform is last thing I want to do..
    By now I know..you people are masters in copy-pasting slander
    I take it..you people are little educated…graduate atleast…

    Cant you apply little mind to the fact… “YOU CANNOT STEREOTYPE A PARTICULAR FAITH FOR CERTAIN ACTIONS COMMITTED BY A GROUP OF PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF RELIGION”
    Good and bad people are there in every culture…….but unfortulately… Islam got highlighted……because certain people made it an excuse for their actions……..

    Don’t you get the simple fact straight?? “Which faith is the best” is a never ending debate………. Don’t go on maligning something just because you have nothing else to do……..

    Spreading hatred on religious grounds are dirty gimmicks of politicians….leave it unto them….

    I can answer with logic to every copy-pasted line of yours……….. But I see no use… you will reply with some more slander..

    • @Sunshine,

      You are DISHONEST and IRRATIONAL ..and this is not slander…here are the reasons why:

      ❶ You don’t even care to check the cited verses of the quran if they mean the same or if i have quoted them verbatim or not ..you blindly disown & discredit the whole stuff ..just because it’s uncomfortable to do so.
      ❷ You are irrational in your demand that the Quranic verses should not be copy-pasted ..what do you want me to do ? ..Type in my own translation instead of that of islamic scholars?
      ❸you say don’t judge the faith by the acts a few errant people..well that’s a valid point ..can you tell me what should be done with these hate verses of the quran ..are you as a good human being willing to tell that these verses of the Quran should be expunged? ..even before you say anything ..i know the answer is going to be a NO! …

      ❹according to any muslim good,bad or ugly, the Quran is the word of god to be followed by each muslim ‘religiously’…You read these hate verses 5 times a day in YOUR PRAYERS FOR GOD SAKE!!! ..whom are you fooling?

      A hate filled rant against the non-muslims..you call this prayer? you call this faith? ..you call this spirituality?

      ❺Don’t YOU get a simple fact ..who’s saying that faith A or faith B is best ..it’s being said that some doctrines are not faith at all! ..any doctrine that demands it’s followers to hate & hurt the rest of humanity is not a ‘faith’ ..it’s a cult

      tell you what , i don;t have anything against cults even ..only to the point that they at max destroy themselves ..i cannot sit a silent spectator to a cult that is filled not only with hatred towards me but is a potential threat to me and humanity at large
      ❻I humbly request you to read the quran yourself before trying to defend it ..is that too much of an ask? ..why don’t you evaluate your book you are born to defend against silly human beings?

      Regards and apologies for the blunt response in advance

    • Its not the problem with you Sir….

      Even I have read the history of Mohammed thru some websites only…

      You bloody Muslims…won’t interact with other ppls… will call others as “Kafir”…how come u try to convince others with Islam as a good religion….

      But as I have read and understood…Islam is really a wonderful religion…and u ppl doesn’t follow even 1% of what it was saying it to others…..

      I really feel ashame to see any muslim…as you have got the highest class of teachings from a great Scholar, leader and the best religion in the world…but you ppl doesn’t follow and doesn’t know how to say this to others….

      Don’t ask others to think Sir….first follow your religion to its best…

      • You bloody Muslims…won’t interact with other ppls… will call others as “Kafir”…how come u try to convince others with Islam as a good religion….

        Dear bro,

        The word Kafir means infidel or disbeliever. It is not a word of offence. It can be used to refer to a non-muslim unless it is used in a sense to disparage. Mostly people use it to verbally abuse non-muslims without realizing the real meaning of Kafir. So the next time if you see any muslim calling you a kaafir in a sense to belittle you, you have every right to say “You dont have an idea about what you are saying ”

        May Allah reward you.

      • The word kaffir is used in a derogatory sense. Well, you muslims should learn to take back some. Why was varun gandhi put in jail because he used the word “katua” for muslims, and all TV anchors were hyperventilating over such a bad word we cant even show it on TV.

        Well, yo muzzies, I hit back in same coin. I call you, mlechhas, katua, katlu, sullah, musallah, landya, babar ki najayaz aulaad, aurangzeb ki phati condom ka nateeja.
        Now take a hike

  21. @ Indian Agnostic

    I think I was precise in addressing “Satyagni only” in my last post……
    anyway…
    My question to you is……..”Indian” signifies a proud citizen who considers ALL equal and respects all cultures…..and “Agnostic” signifies…an athiest who doesnt follow a particular religion…….Why then you act a sidekick of Satyagni……what do you have against Islam??

    You can produce volumes of misinterpretations of quran and hadees……..but why would you want to create hatred..for something……..you have no clue about……..

    I am not Aalim-Fazil…….nobody is perfect…I try to be a good muslim..
    you also try to be good human..

    • @Sunshine

      a) My Bad..i should not have shared the truth with you ..as you much interested in the person..sorry

      b) Yes i am PROUD Indian and treat all Indians with respect and equality..this does not mean that i should let many of these Indians suffer at the hands of evil doctrines..as i often say ..TOLERANCE is a great VIRTUE …but tolerating INTOLERANCE is a VICE…Islam is in DIRECT CONFLICT with whatever India or any democracy stands for

      ✖Does Islam belive in consensus?
      ✖Does Islam allow a woman to have four husbands? …a muslim mans to be treated as 1/2 as a witness? ..does it force the muslim men to wear burka? ….so it does not belive in equality either!
      ✖Does Islam other religions top profess their religion? ..NO! ..it says that all other religions should be subdued /decimated or else atleast jizya should be levied on them
      ✖Does Islam believing in human reforms? ..no! ..chop off the hands of the first time offender!!
      ✖Does Islam condone National Pride? NO! ..Islam is a global syndicate ..if somebody draws a cartoon in denmark ..a devout muslim burns buses and national property in India..It’s a global threat !

      NOW TELL ME..IF I CONDONE SUCH A DOCTRINE WOULD I BE ACTING ON BEHALF OF MY INDIA ?
      I HOPE YOU KNOW NOW WHAT DO I HAVE AGAINST ISLAM

      c) You are nither and aalim or a fazil …and FORTUNATELY because of this one fact ..you are a good human being..because you don;t know exactly what the quran commands a muslim to do.

      While i share with you exact verses and references of the hate verses of the quran and hadit, you share your ignorance about the same…BUT then comes your sweeping statement..”all that has been quoted is out of context”!!!

      How the heck do you know that it is out of context? ..have you ever read the sahih hadits ..sahih means authentic (whjere the chain of narrations go upto the prophet or his companions) ..the hadit are the context of the quran ..what more context do you require…..You are born into this religion..isn’t it better to study it first before trying to justify or defend it.

      and here’s my final statement ..if you are indian ..and you study the history of it’s spread in India,the horrid and despicable way this has been forced upon our ancestors..the violent teachings it contains and prcatices ..You would be the next one quoting the verses that i am quoting now.

      Wake Up

      • The Steps Muslims Use to Debate
        1. Accuse the person of lying, ignorance, and he should be proficient in Arabic to understand Islam (regardless of the fact that 80% of Muslims don’t know Arabic). Tell him/her to read “authentic” Muslim websites and texts. Say that critics of Islam are “so-called” experts. Say that once a person “learns” about the “real” Islam, he/she will understand how beautiful and peaceful it is.

        2. Accuse the person of racism or Islamophobia (This is one of the best tactics!). Say they are “filled with hate” (this works really well with Liberals!). Restrict your arguments to a specific subject (How Muslims are persecuted and misunderstood). Generalize a lot. Never suggest that a person examine both sides of the issue (that is, compare arguments from anti-Islamic sites with those from Muslims experts). Never refer to the hate and violence Muslims do. Say that the actions of Muslims have nothing to do with Islam.

        3. Say that the problem is that Muslims today are not practicing the “Original Islam” of Mohammed and the glorious era of the ‘Four Righteous Caliphs’ that followed him (Do not mention the hate and violence that Mohammad preached and practiced and do not mention that 3 out of the 4 so-called Righteous Caliphs were murdered by Muslims in a fifty year orgy of conquest, greed, violence and rivalry that ended at battle of Kerbala – called the Ashura ─ with Muslims fighting Muslims and the heads of Mohammad’s grandson and even infant great-grandson and 70 others being carried in bags as trophies by the victorious Muslim army). Tell them that Islam is really peaceful!

        4. Say that any verse from the Koran that portrays Islam negatively is “out of context”. Tell them it doesn’t really mean what it says. Also, insist that any tradition that says that Mohammad did very bad things is “weak” or forged, or that it has no isnad (chain of narration) even if it has a long isnad and Muslims constantly quote from this same source.

        5. Tell people that any ‘nice’ or ‘peaceful’ (or earlier) verse in the Koran is valid for everywhere and all time (if they mention the abrogated verses, deny it and move on). Any ‘kill’ and ‘hate’ verse has limited application and can only be understood by an expert or in relation to another verse 56 pages away.

        6. Accuse Christianity and other religions as being “just as bad”. Mention the Crusades, Hitler, Timothy McVeigh, Hiroshima.. etc (regardless that it had nothing to do with the Bible) . Say that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Say that Islam is the fastest growing religion on Mars too and the rest of the universe (forget about the prisons). Don’t forget to mention that Armstrong heard the azan (the call of Islamic prayer) on the moon.

        7. Claim that Muslims are unjustly persecuted (never mention 1400 years of jihad against infidels, the treatment of non-Muslims in Islamic societies or current events). Mention the classical era when Islamic societies led the world in science, medicine and philosophy (Do not mention this was 700 years ago and that all of it was based upon ancient Greek works or done by the hated Jews and Christians living in those countries while in Arabia they were still living in tent, raising goats, living on the looting of other countries and robbing caravans)

        8. Explain that jihad means “inner struggle” (like a diet plan or giving up smoking!) and not “holy war”. Tell them that Islam says fighting can only be in self-defense. If they ask about all those raids, explain that Mohammad went on 27 self-defense expeditions, captured a lot of self-defense loot and self-defense slaves and killed a lot of people in self-defense in the early morning and night self-defense attacks. He even let his men rape women in self-defense at Banu-Mustaliq. If they question that last statement, suggest that maybe the women accused Mohammad’s men of being ‘gay’ and they had to prove themselves. (Note: It may be wise to work more on this answer!)

        9. If they bring up the many contradictions and errors in the Koran, move quickly to the scientific wonders without being specific (never mind that Muslims never invented anything, and never mention the Grand sheikh Ben Baz of Saudi Arabia’s fatwa that whoever says the earth is round is a kaffer, or the fetus is formed of bones first and then covered with skin). Just say with assurance that the greatest scientists of the world confirmed that the scientific wonders revealed in the Koran 1400 years ago, proves that it cannot be but divine. Then throw few names from Japan, Germany and America (you can add countries). Don’t forget Maurice Bucaille and Roger Garaudy from France (don’t say how much they were paid from Saudi Arabia). Also mention the tomato that was cut in half and they found the word Allah engraved inside it, and the tree in Germany with the branches in the form of Allah bowing to the ground towards Mecca. And the European surgeon that was operating on a Muslim and found his Intestine shaped in the form of “Allah” and right away said the Shahada and shouted “Allah Akbar” and converted to Islam. If they ask you the names and references of all these people, just tell them they can search Google and move on. Always remember to move on.

        10. Blame all current problems in Islamic societies on (choose one or more…) the Jews, Christians, the Crusades, the USA, Atheism, Israel, Colonialism, Hollywood, Bush, the Pope, Vatican, Capitalism, racism, poverty, sexuality, discrimination, translations, the media, the Neocons, Right-wing radio talk shows, Communism, the Romans, women, Zionists, culture, Imperialism, Islamophobes, stereotypes, fascism, the Cold War, the War on Terror, ignorance, education, lack of education, misguided education, despair, lack of hope, the suffering of the Palestinian people, bad hair, cartoons, teddy bears and Bugs Bunny. Stress that Muslims are innocent victims of circumstances, always. Say the US, Europe and West support brutal, corrupt Arab regimes (Do not mention that all regimes in Muslim Middle East are undemocratic, brutal and corrupt).

        11. Say that Islam “protects and honors” women. Say that “Islam has given women all her rights”. Point out the immorality in Western culture. Say that most of the people that convert to Islam are women, even Britney Spears may convert soon. (Never talk about what the Quran and hadith say about women, except for 4 specific verses and do not mention that Mohammad himself said women are ‘deficient in intelligence’ and beat his wife). If they talk about the status of Muslim women everywhere, honor killings, say that it is because Muslims do not follow Islam. Tell them it is “cultural”.

        12. Say that a small minority of extremists have hijacked Islam, and they are not ‘real’ Muslims. Explain that just because a person says the shahada (profession of faith), observes the 5 pillars of Islam, goes to the mosque every Friday, has memorized half of the Quran, wears a beard, and is named ‘Mohammad’ or even being the Imam in a mosque – this does not mean that he is a ‘real’ Muslim. (Suggest that the terrorist― who knows,― may really be a Scientologist, a Presbyterian, a Rotarian or even a vile Jew pretending to be a Muslim). Oh yes, if Muslims do hate and violence, say that they are being ‘used’ and ‘manipulated’ by (see list in #9 of candidates to blame for manipulating innocent Muslims) and anything that Muslims do was caused by the interference of (pick another name from item #9). This is a good time to bring up Uncle Benny and say he was created in a CIA lab (Use the name “Bin Laden” which is what infidels call him).

        13. If the person brings up issues relating to words and actions of Mohammad, say that you are offended. Say that we should not apply contemporary standards of morality and conduct to the teachings of the ‘eternal’ Quran and the actions of Islam’s prophet. Say that Mohammad was “a mercy for all mankind”. If he/she continues to ask about those deeds, make a few threats. Another possible idea is to ask the person to draw a picture of Mohammad on an old piece of paper, then say you are offended and attack the vile kafir infidel!

        14. Use a lot of cute Arabic words to confuse the person. It also makes the Muslim seem smarter and/or an expert on Islam. See tip #2 above.

        15. Quote the verse “who kills a single person, it is as if he killed all of mankind” to prove how peaceful Islam really is (Do not mention that the phrase is incomplete and you have omitted the first five words and the end of it).

        16. Once again, remember that Muslims “are the best of people” and Mohammad is a “Mercy for all mankind”. Keep thinking this. Never doubt; never question. If there is an issue it must be understood in light of these two sacred and eternal truths. Don’t let facts get in the way of feelings. If something appears to be wrong or bad, it can only be a conspiracy or a misunderstanding. There must be an explanation even if it is weird, really weird. The problem cannot be Islam’s fault so it must be the work of (insert name of evil non-Muslim group here). Explain that the rules of conduct that Muslims demand for others do not apply to Islam, because it is “special”.

        17. If all else fails, assume a zombie-like attitude and start saying the Qanoot-e-Naazilah prayer in a low, intense voice (in Arabic!). Hiss a little between lines. Let the infidel know you are more than just a little crazy. If you have a knife, take it out and start testing the blade with your thumb. Roll your eyes, foam at the mouth (twitching is good, too!). Stand up suddenly and start yelling “Allah Akbar”. Do this ten times as loud as possible……… You have won the argument!

        18. Not to forget, if they bring up that Mohammad molested a six years old baby girl, say it was a lawful marriage, and in hot countries girls ripen faster. Then bring up the child molester priests (regardless that those priests were tried, convicted and put behind bars).

      • Indian Agnostic,

        please read the tactics above which muzzies use to debate with us Kafirs. Everything you say even from Qrand and Hadith will be out of context.

        Debating is useless as their minds are already conditioned to hear the lie they want to hear. No amount of truth can wake them up.

  22. Why the Muslims are so inclined to Criminal Activities
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    It has been pointed out earlier that while Indian Muslims lag behind in education, employment and other walks of life, they are overrepresented in prisons. Whilst Muslims may constitute some 15 percent of the population (~13.8 percent in 2001), but they account for 23.8 percent of the prison-inmates. Therefore, the question naturally arises: Why the Muslims are so prone to criminal activity?
    In response to the 5th part of this essay, a reader commented: “Muhammad was a “God Father”. His cut was 20% of the loot. Are you still wondering why so many Muslims are criminals?” Perhaps, he is correct. Each and every Muslim—whether he personally believes or not—has to admit that Muhammad was the greatest man ever appeared on earth and his behaviour is the model (usha-in-hasna) for every Muslim. But for the infidels or kafirs, almost all his deeds would appear to be extremely criminal.
    It has been mentioned in an earlier article, A Critical Estimate of Muhammad by Bangladeshi Apostates, that a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the U.K. has issued a statement explaining the reason why they have abandoned Islam. A few months ago, the said declaration was aired by the BBC. In that statement they also explained why they are not prepared to accept Muhammad a prophet. It reads,
    “One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Quran 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way.”
    The statement continues,
    “Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
    So, in the above statement, the apostates of Bangladesh have claimed that Muhammad was a (1) gangster godfather, (2) highway robber, who looted trade caravans, (3) mass murderer, who slaughtered the entire male population of Beni Koraiza and enslaved their women and childrem, (4) rapist, who raped Zayeria, Rihana, Safiya and other women captured as booty in jihad, (5) assassin, who assassinated the poetess Ashma and poets Abu-Afaq and Kaab-bin-Ashraf., (6) a pedophile, who married six-year-old Ayesha at the age of 52. According to Ibn Ishaq, the most authentic biographer of Muhammad, he wanted to marry even a crawling baby girl Ummu’l–Fadl.
    Most importantly, Muhammad was a sexual pervert having insatiable lust for sex and married 22 wives in his declining years. After the death of his first wife (1) Khadija, he married (2) Sauda and after migrating to Medina, he successively married (3) Aisha, (4) Hafsa bint Omar, (5) Zeinab bint Khozaima, (6) Umme Salama, (7) Zeinab bint Ash, (8) Zaeria bint Habis, (9) Umme Habiba, (10) Safia bint Hujaya, (11) Maimuna bint Habis, (12) Maria, the Coptic slave-girl, (13) Sana bt. Asma, (14) al-Shama bt. Amr al-Ghifariyaah, (15) Ghaziyyah bt. Jabir or Umm Sharik, (16) Amrah bt. Yazid or Umm Sharik Osme, (17) Asma bt. Al-Numan, (18) Al-Aliyaah bt. Zabyan, (19) Qutaylah bt. Qays, (20) Fatimah bt. Shurayh (Sara), (21) Kawlah bt. Hudhayl and (22) Layla bt. Al-Khatim. So, the Bangladesh apostates are correct in painting Muhammad as a lustful and sexually pervert person and not a man of superior character as expected of a prophet. So, it is not difficult to understand that where a common Muslim would end up by honestly following the life and deeds of his holy Prophet as usha-in-hasna. Can it be anything other than a prison?

    Islam Itself is a Criminal Ideology
    The March 2009 edition of the Islamic Voice, a Bangalore based monthly, carries an article, All are equal before Allah’s Law, by Sayyid Qutb, where the author claims that all human beings are equal before the law of Allah. One, having even a bit of knowledge about Islam, would reject the above claim of the author Sayyid Qutb as blatant lies. In fact, Islam divides the entire humanity into two groups: those, who believe in Allah’s Koran and the prophethood of Muhammad, are pious Muslims or Momens; and those, who do not, belong to the most despicable species, called infidels or kafirs. In the words of Allah, the kafirs are the worst beast; He instructs Muslims to mount any kind of torture and atrocities on them, kill them, burn them and their houses, take their women and children as captives and rape their women and so on. So, it becomes evident that, Muslims and kafirs can never be equal before the law of Allah.
    In this regard, the Koran says:
    “We have created, for hell, many genii (races) of men, ….and they are like brute beasts” (7.179);
    “Verily, those who disbelieve our signs, we will surely cast them to be broiled in the hell-fire, so often as their skins shall be well burnt, We will give them new skins in exchange, so that they may taste the sharper torment” (4.56);
    “Whosoever followeth any religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him in this life, and in the next life he shall be of those who perish” (3.85);
    “I will cast a dread into the hearts of the unbelievers” (8.12);
    “Therefore cut off their heads, and strike off all the ends of the fingers. This shall they suffer because they have opposed Allah and His Prophet, and whosoever shall oppose Allah and His Prophet, verily Allah will be severe in punishing them” (8.13);
    “moreover, as for the non-believers, I will punish them with grievous punishments in this world, and in the world is to come” (3.56);
    “Allah loves not the unbelievers” (3.57);
    “they shall suffer a grievous punishment” (3.77).
    So, it becomes evident that, Muslims and kafirs can never be equal before the law of Allah. As a matter of fact, Islam is a doctrine of intense hatred of non-Muslims. Allah Himself hates the non-believers and incites His followers to do the same, mounting any kind of oppression of them. Allah has commanded to strike terror in the hearts of the kafirs; and to comply with the order, the followers of Allah can cut kafirs into pieces, rape their women in front of their kins, and smash the skulls of kafir children on stones. Allah incites Muslims to do these crimes against the kafirs with the promise that, on the Day of Judgment (Qiyamah), he will pardon their every misdeed and crime for the merit of following Allah’s religion. In the eye of Allah, crimes committed by the Muslims upon the kafirs are good deeds; He promises Paradise them as a reward for that.
    Allah has ordained the doctrine of jihad or holy war against the kafirs, proclaimed as the best form of worship. English authors generally translate jihad as ‘holy war’ or ‘righteous war’. But jihad is neither holy nor righteous. In plain words, jihad stands for indiscriminate killing of kafirs, plundering their wealth, occupying their land and other properties and other valuables by swords, fire and rape. In other words, committing crimes against the kafirs is a part of jihad. In fact, Islam as a creed has nothing to do with spiritualism; its central aim is to create an empire throughout the world. Hence, it puts greatest virtue in its military component, name jihad or fighting against the kafirs with the ultimate motive of subjugating and eliminating the kafirs. Allah has proclaimed that whatever wealth and riches that exist on the earth belong to Allah and His Messenger, and inspires His followers to wage war against the kafirs, the unlawful occupiers of those wealth and riches, to bring them to the possession of their legal owners, namely Muslims. So, for a Muslim, engaging in jihad against the kafirs is the highest virtue.
    So the Koran says,
    “Fighting against the kafirs is beyond one’s personal likings and dislikings as Allah has commanded to fight the pagans and all those who ascribe partners (shirk) with Allah” (2.216).
    “That you believe in Allah and His Messenger and that you strive hard and fight in the cause of Allah with your wealth and lives” (61.11).
    “Jihad is better for you than your sitting back at home and if you do so, He will forgive you your sins, your foulest deeds and admit you into the gardens of eternity (paradise)” (61.12).
    To inspire Muslims to taking up jihad, the Koran continues,
    “There is nothing in the sight of Allah which may be equated to jihad.” (9.19) and “No equal are those believers who sit at home (except those who are old and disabled) and those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in the cause of Allah” (4.95).
    “That is because they (who sit back at home) suffer neither thirst, nor fatigue, nor hunger in the cause of Allah. …Nor they raise the anger of the disbelievers or inflict any injury (killing, robbing or taking captive) upon enemy” (9.20).
    “Anyone whose feet get covered with dust in Allah’s cause will be forbidden from the hell-fire” (Bukhari : 4.66).
    Allah rebukes those who sit back at home on account of their cowardice, and threatens them with cruel punishments as the Koran says: “If you march not forth (for jihad), I will punish you with painful torment and will replace you with other people” (9..39).
    All classical scholars of Islam unanimously agree that jihad is the highest virtue in Islam; it is superior to prayer (namaj), fasting (roja) and even pilgrimage to Mecca (hajj). It includes all kinds of worships, both hidden and open. It includes great love for Allah and it shows one’s sincerity to Him and one’s trust in Him. In fact, jihad is a very wide gate and there is no deed, more rewarding and blissful that this. Therefore, it is the best thing a Muslim should volunteer for.
    Allah incites His followers to participate in jihad with the allurement of booty and sex with the kafir women in this world and all sorts of sensual pleasures and comfort in the next. So the Koran says, “Allah promises to such of you who believe and do good work (jihad), that He will cause them to succeed the non-believers in the earth. …He will establish for them their religion. …And will change their fear into security” (24.55), and “My servants the righteous shall inherit the earth” (21.105) as “They are the best”. (3.110).
    From the above discussions it becomes evident that Islam is an antihuman political ideology based on a savage and murderous creed that inspires criminal activities. The doctrine of jihad, which Islam projects as its highest virtue, is nothing but incitement to violence, oppression and crimes against the kafirs. Muslims, especially the pious, are often indoctrinated with this hateful ideology through khutaba (prayer sermons) in mosques, often after the Friday prayer.
    It can, therefore, be said without doubt that, Islam and its divine revelations constitute a cult that would turn its true followers criminally inclined. So, it is easy to understand why the Muslims around the world have a criminal mindset and over-represent the prison-inmate population not only in India, but in European countries and elsewhere.

  23. Guys,

    Muslim guys: Discussions are allowed in Islam and not the arguments. A muslim should not speak about or scold any gods or goddess from other religions. This is prohibited in Islam. We as muslims, have the rights to explain them what Islam says. Thats the boundary of Islam. Please dont go beyond this. There should be difference between a muslim and others.

    Others: If you are aware of Islam, please speak. Otherwise, dont spread hatred. If you still speak, please identify and ensure that we people are Muslims now and also in the day of judgement.

    Thanks

  24. Ten Obvious Reasons Why Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace
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    14,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last eight years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

    Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

    Muhammad said in many places that he has been “ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger.” In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

    Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

    After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him, and knew his religion best, immediately fell into war with each other.

    Muhammad’s favorite daughter, Fatima, and her husband, Ali (the second convert to Islam, who was raised like a son to Muhammad) fought a war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad’s favorite wife – and one whom he had said was the “perfect woman.”

    Not only was her husband, Ali, eventually murdered, but Fatima (who survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound) died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only three months after her father died.

    Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad’s closest companions. The third caliph was killed by the son of the first. The fourth caliph was killed by the fifth, who subsequently poisoned one of Muhammad’s two favorite grandsons. Muhammad’s other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

    Even these high profile killings barely do justice to the astonishing level of violence taking place at the time, in which tens of thousands of believers were slaughtered by Muhammad’s companions and their children in the infighting and power struggles. Within 50 short years of Muhammad’s death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war.
    And that’s just the fate of those within the house of Islam!

    Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
    A mere 25 years after Muhammad’s death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.

    Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
    None of these other religions are at war with each other.

    Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

    Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

    The Qur’an never once speaks of Allah’s love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah’s cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

    “Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!”

    (The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93 that hit NY twin towers)

  25. @Satyagni only

    Satyagniji,

    What do you do besides…. thinking ways to malign Islam
    well.. let me guess……nothing!!
    Because an empty mind can only be such devil’s workshop

    I am hugely surprised by the staggering amount of research done behind every post… still you refuse to open your mind and also refuse to try to understand a single little thing…

    you know what was your most stupid comment… ………..that..”Quran has more than one version”….and that made me speak-up..
    why you even bother to pull the drama…that you cant read quran because you cant read arabic….while you are quoting quranic verses almost in every post…

    Going by your endeavours…. you being able to understand anything is out of question….
    so why dont you go by the vedas……and do something…”noble enough” and stop poisioning hearts of muslims and non-muslims here.. like a dirty politician..
    Go and do something noble..

    PS. My request to all muslims..let him say what he has to say and be tolerant and patient.

    • @Sunshine
      What did your prophet do Sunshine mian ji? Quran says that idolaters are worst of creatures. [98:6] Even worse than pigs! And regarding suggestion of staying tolerant to Muslim brothers, is it as per Quran [9:5] that you are waiting for forbidden month to pass and then slay others wherever you find them?

    • @Sunshine

      Since you seem to be an Aalim Fazil..why don;t you tell us all humans about where the translations are incorrect

      and if don;t find any errors ..then answer just one thing …who on earth with a sane mind and compassion for all human beings would tolerate such a hateful doctrine?

      ▶Quran 3:28
      لاَّ يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاء مِن دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ أَن
      تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللّهُ نَفْسَهُ وَإِلَى اللّهِ الْمَصِيرُ
      LET NOT THE BELIEVERS TAKE FOR FRIENDS OR HELPERS UNBELIEVERS rather than believers: IF ANY DO THAT, IN NOTHING THERE WILL BE HELP FROM ALLAH◀

      ▶Quran 48:29
      مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاء عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَى عَلَى سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ
      لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْراً عَظِيماً
      Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are FIRM OF HEART AGAINST THE UNBELIEVERS, COMPASSIONATE AMONGST EACH OTHER◀

      ▶Quran 3:85
      وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِيناً فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
      And WHOEVER DESIRES A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED FROM HIM, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers◀

      ▶Quran 9:123
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ
      O you who believe! FIGHT those of the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE NEAR TO YOU and LET THEM FIND IN YOU HARDNESS; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).◀

      ▶Quran 5:51
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ
      مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
      “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. HE AMONG YOU WHO TAKETH THEM FOR FRIENDS IS (ONE) OF THEM. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk”◀

      THE VERY FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO PS MUSLIMS TO BE NON AGGRESSIVE SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT YOUR OWN PERCEPTION OF THE MUSLIM MINDSET

      Regards

  26. Namasthe,

    I have a confusion with Khuran , as how they would be able to describe the chahracter of nature in very long back. They argueing there was lots of scientifical explanation in the khuran. They believes a human such Nabi cant write a book like this. How you see the scientifical things in the Khuran and who has been written the book if it is not allah. Awaiting your reply..

      • Islam-Ultimate Religion
        ———————————-

        Yes, Islam is the ultimate religion if you want to die young.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you enjoy torturing little girls as their clitoris is chopped off.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you wish to legally participate in sadism.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if girls want their clitoris chopped off.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if little girls wish to be forced to “marry” depraved Muslim male sex perverts.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if little girls wish to get legally raped by depraved Muslim male sex perverts.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if women want to be stoned to death.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if petty thieves want to have their hands, feet, chopped off, and their eyes gouged out.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if apostates want to be murdered for leaving the Islamic Crime Syndicate.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if women wish to remain as second class citizens and perpetually subjugated to Muslim Male Neanderthals.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you wish to participate legally in crime.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you wish to legally have your own private whorehouse. “Marrying” several so-called wives constitutes a whorehouse.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you believe in adultery. Polygamy equals legalized adultery.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if wives want to remain subjugated and be legally beaten by their husbands since they’re inferior and second class.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you believe in Honor Killing.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you believe that homosexuals should be hanged by the neck until dead on account of their orientation.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you don’t believe in freedom of speech, in freedom of religion, in freedom of the press.

        Islam is the ultimate religion if you wish to participate in Islamic criminal activity.

  27. Islam never teaches to kill if ppl don’t accept Islam, this is all a game people spreading all along. what u have posted is not as exact meaning as Hadith. Allah Prophet never had engaged any war on kuffar just because they were non-Muslims. well you people don’t have any idea of what Islam is and what Quran and Prophet say. by the way as i said before, its a propaganda about Islam with fake arguments. Come to Soudia Araiba or Pakistan i will show you with your naked eyes what Islam is. And what real things Quran and Prophets has teach.

    By the way Mail me on my id, as i am off from this crap fake forum.

    • Dear @Rana ADi,

      whatever i have posted is not my imagination.

      The Hadit has been posted with it’s source hyperlink.anybody can click on that link and verify.Check your urdu or arabic copy ..it has the same meaning.

      It’s just that the moment your religion is exposed through it’s own scriptures and historians ..you start claiming that everything is fake.

      YOU ALSO KNOW THAT NOTHING QUOTED HERE IS FAKE..IF YOU KNEW OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE PROVIDED THE RIGHT ONE… AS SIMPLE AS THAT

      But you do what? ..you run away from the forum with a sweeping allegation that does not hold ground.

      I don’t blame you..you have grown up with this religion without knowing it’s damaging tenets…So take your time till the day the HUMAN inside you gets disgusted of this or any hateful theology.

      I wish you all the best …as you are but, a part of the human family

      PS: I don’t have your mail id bro…i have created a dummy account for myself at [ indian DOT agnostic AT rediffmail DOT com. so send me a test mail and we can talk there I presume you are from pakistan ..if you read the history of Islamization of pakistan(or india) …It would be YOU and not me who would insist on leaving this ideology

  28. *** I will try to answer your question if you could tell me which Muslims are killing which people.

    There are no Muslims who kill to show the greatness/love to/of Allah. The Allah we speak of is only that one who is creator of all mankind and universe. to who you call GOD by the way.( If christian / Sikh / Jews…)

    And what you just heard from others and speak on here about suicide bombers or others. Go and research that in many Muslims area your suicide bombers have killed thousands of Muslim people many times.

    *** More i will try to clear if you Answer the First line of my topic.

    • @Rana ADi

      Let me do the honors of dispelling your doubt on your point that ‘There are no Muslims who kill to show the greatness/love to/of Allah” .

      Dear bro, Islam is founded on the principle of subjugating or killing the unbelievers…it kills in the name of Allah.

      I understand, you wont believe me just because i claim so ..so here’s from the prophet himself
      (all authentic hadits/ historical references quoted below…you can visit the source to verify the same)

      ❶So lets start with the first Muslim himself.let’s see what the peaceful prophet said:
      ❰Sahih Bukhari
      Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
      Narrated Abu Huraira:
      Allah ‘s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ HIS LIFE AND PROPERTY WILL BE SAVED by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”
      source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196❱

      So here’s a prophet threatening to hurt people with their lives and property if they don’t buy his Allah

      To make the answer more comprehensive, i present to you a much better proof…a chronological account of what happens when Islam arrives and stays in that region ..TO DATE!

      so here’s account number 2, of how Allah arrived in Kashmir.

      ❷Mahmud of Ghazni ..attacks kashmir in the name and cause of Allah:

      ❰Mahmúd with a few of his personal attendants entered it, and took all the property he found there. Having left Sárogh as governor of the fort,* he himself proceeded to the Kashmír valley, where Púr Jaipál had taken up his position. This chief, however, did not await his arrival, but fled, and when the Sultán reached the pass he obtained great spoil and a large number of slaves. He also con­verted many infidels to Muhammadanism, and having spread Islám in that country, returned to Ghaznín.”—Tabakát-i Akbarí.
      source:http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=80201012&ct=110&rqs=266❱

      when he retreats, many of the converted people again revert back to Hinduism. But Islamic ‘peaceful’ invasions would not stop.Not only that…

      ❸here’s how a devout muslim… ‘peacefully’ invites the infidels to the way of Allah

      ❰AD 1496 : a Shia Devout Muslim Shams-ood-deen converts people to Islam..of course by force!
      About this time, one Meer Shums-ood-Deen, a disciple of Shah Kasim Anwur, the son of Syud Mahomed Noorbukhsh, arrived in Kashmeer from Irak. Futteh Khan made over to this holy personage all the confiscated lands which had lately fallen to the crown; and his disciples went forth destroying the temples of the idolaters, in which they met with the support of the govern­ment, so that no one dared to oppose them. In a short time many of the Kashmeeries, particularly those of the tribe of Chuk, became converts to the Noorbukhsh tenets
      source:http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=06901024&ct=120&rqs=55&rqs=1064❱

      so a devout muslim sage’s followers go about destroying temples and idols in kashmir to show how peaceful the way of Allah is!

      ❹Wait a second, there’s more …WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE AS SOON AS THEY CONVERT TO THE RELIGION OF PEACE? ..here:

      ❰IN consequence of the veneration for the memory of Sikundur, his eldest son, Ameer Khan, was ac­knowledged King of Kashmeer, under the title of Ally, although as yet a minor. In the beginning of his reign, the whole of the affairs of the state devolved upon Seeva Dew Bhut, the prime mi­nister. That statesman, with all the zeal of a convert, persecuted the few bramins who still remained firm to their religion; and by putting all to death who refused to embrace Mahomed-ism, he drove those who still lingered in Kashmeer entirely out of that kingdom
      source: http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=06901024&ct=116&rqs=70❱

      So you see, the peace of islam got transferred into the head of the convert who put his own people to the peaceful sword of Islam…and yes ..this again was kashmir.

      and why bother about the history of kashmir ..we know it from the present times itself!

      Now what could be other than Islam that forced the Kashmiri Hindus to be massacred and driven out of the valley except Islam..by the very kashmiri people who lived next door..just that they were muslims taught to hate kafirs by the book of Allah !..and the moment their numbers increased ..the inevitable DID HAPPEN

      I don’t think any other religion can boast such a continuous record of sub-human bigotry, deceit and violence based solely on it’s blood thirsty God

      I have sincerely answered your question..i hope you would evaluate it with as much sincerity
      Thanks and regards

  29. just one question …… can u Muslims declare them kharij l islam ..who are killing innocents all over the world in the name of allahhh and islam ? can u stand on them who tought innocents to kill human to prove their beloved god’s greatness …….. can u deny that god who asks you to do wrong for it ?

  30. This Forum is Just a propaganda against Islam. Please don’t mention any review on this Ty.

    The person always reply and point-out whatever is told him/her. The person don’t have concern in Islam but sects and preachers of Islam.

    • @Rana ADi,

      I think you are right…I also find that this Satyagni site is propagating the cause of a minority sect…and that sect is HUMANITY !!

      thanks to the barbaric methods of organized religions ..humanity has reduced to a sect ..that too a minority sect 🙁

      This site , correct me if i am wrong , is for all humanity ..other creatures are free to stay away IMHO

  31. @farva

    Vedas show the presence of prophet mohammad? Why are u ignorant muslims keep repeating this joke and making us laugh???? Mohammad in Vedas is the best joke to laugh at and its better than any comedy show.

    And what does your Quran or Islam say about loving people of different religions when they cant preach their own religion in islamic countries like Saudi???

    As far as tearing a page from the Quran is concerned, I can show you videos where sensible people have burnt the Quran into ashes, and nothing has happened to them.

    We are not being biased towards Quran, we are being unbiased towards everything. We rejected Quran and Bible because they are illogical, and we would have done the same to Vedas if they were illogical too but that is not the case. Vedas are the most logical scriptures and the true books of bliss and wisdom, so I recommend you to return to Vedas.

  32. i wana comment on ur point of sayin which quran to follow?>
    sunni ,shia or wahabi etc
    quran is same for all….no one cn dare make any changes in the holy book of allah,i wana u try doing n compiling urself,see wht wil happen to urself….just add or remove a page n see wht happens to urself….see for urself…

    i also wud lik to enlighten u dat as u kept a point sayin tht if im muslim women n husband is follower of sum other religion or caste,islam says to respect thm n love thm the same way if he had da same faith,n thers no hell for it….

    instead of commenting on islam so much,pay attention to ur vedas who them selves show the presence of allah ,prophet muhammad n imam ali !!!!
    thnks n regards

    • @farva

      Do you even know that the earliest manuscript of kuran dates back to late 8th century?

      Do you even know that Uthman(the caliph) burnt 1 lakh versions of the quran to create this new Quran that we have today?

      If you are a sunni, you must also agree that some verses of the quran were canceled.

      not only that , quran is the only book that abrogates(cancels out) it’s previous revealation.

      like the holy verse of nipple suckling was abrogated in the quran (first a man had to suckle a woman’s nipple 10 times to make her unlawful to him ..The merciful Allah later revealed that only 5 sucklings of an adult womans nipple by an adult man can make her unlawful for marriage)

      nipple suckling abrogation

      Sahih Muslim
      Book 008, Number 3421:
      ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur’an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur’an (and recited by the Muslims).
      http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3421

      How many times you recite this one @Farva ..for your spiritual upliftment?

  33. MASHAALLAH..I agree with brother kashi Assan..your are very true…THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH,PROPHET MUHAMAMMED(SAW) IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH)..we all are muslims and we are united..May Allah guide us the straight path and shower his blessings on all of us..AMEEN..

    • all Sunni brothers
      Bhai Mashaallah Subhanallah…
      I pray to Allah almighty that we are remain unite. We all are follow Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Hadrath Ali (AS), the first Imam of Ummah. May Allah will guiding you to the true path of Islam….

      • Pravez Bhai,
        Do you have any logic still alive in you? Or Still have logic of Muhamad of 7th Century which basically for Arabians. (Undeveloped land having very less natural resource except petrol). Try to think logically and and then accept it. First think and then act and then see result and then accept. This is fundamental of any law.Don’t blindly belive Quran or Mohmad who was no 1 Rapist and Murderer. He just used this for gathering of people who support him in war against some kings. So he has gives some false promised like heaven with 72 virgin women for one person. Garden with River. (For Arabian it was rare) good story …In this science world no one will belive in Quran. Even Some Muslim also don’t believe becaue they are enough educated and well literated and not like you with preset mind.

  34. I am a shia muslim and advise you to join sunny sect of Islam because there is no difference in their and our Quran, if there is a little difference in modes operandi of Namaz but all muslim keep intention toward only one Allah.

    Whereas the history of Islam is concerned there polictical differences and some confussions which exists in Rajnatic affair being a hindu you can better understand.

    first of All there is no addition to Allah and all prophets are its human they 124000 and all of them are to be believed including Jesus and Moses but final is Mohammad Peace be upon him, whereas if anyone bring Hazrat Ali Alaihsalam as prophet is lier because Harzat Ali says that i follow holy prophet (PBUH) as baby camel follows his mother. it is rubbish too that “Nauzubillah” (Allah forgive me) that Holy Quran revoluted erronously on Holy Prophet (PBUH) rather than Hazrat Ali. it is also false that there were more than 30 parts of Holy Quran which has been eaten by goat, Because safty of Holy Quran is promise of Allah, so It is impossilble to any creature to go beyound that and those people claim this alleged Nauzubillah on Almighty Allah.

    and i Last i think you can never be muslim because you have used your all energies to criticise muslims rather than finding wayout, you are serving well hindusm and be strict with it because missionary people are life blood for all riot creating societies., but i am really thankful to your efforts because it is an eyeopenner for muslim and can unite them.

  35. Agni! your buffer coated invitation to hindusm, itself tells where you stand, I think being human we should let the people be stood fast with their faiths and believes but educate them beyound religious aspacts about humanity and social walfare.

    and my brother as you expressed the problem of only one chance of life, it is very natural like any exam in which you take only once to submit your content of mind.

    If you have intentions to be muslim be muslim or not as you wish, it makes no difference because those people who tries to convert otherx to their own religion or invite for it, does arrange the economical prosperity for them? and second issue is that if any person changes his or her religion on attraction of financial prosperity can assure you that more betterment will never deviate his or her idealogy once more?

    as far islam is concerned, being a student of Holy Quran you can better understand that it has no injustice. In islam if your neighbour is non muslim and because of poverty he and his family sleep without having dinner at last night, you will be questioned at the day of doom. similarly all the sins which a muslim will commit against humanity will be ajudge by Allah and punished at the day of judgement.

    Islam’s literal mean is peace, Indian History is witnessed that the nawabeen of Auwadh blessed their Hindu peasents too like muslims, as well as southern ruler in bejapur and golkanda Adil Shah and Ali Hasan were helping sewaji and sanbha ji against cruel ruler of India Aurangzeb.

    My idealogy under the shadow of Islam, persues me to promote love among people beyound their sact, cast, religion, civilization, nationality, region and etc. because according to Islamic point of view we (Human Beings) are sons or daughters of Adam and Hauwa (I think in Hindusm Shanker and Parvati) who were expelled from Jannat (paradise) on disobediance of Allah and in exile on earth. where allah is checking their abttitute for heaven or hell, during this exile if you promot love and affection for all and try to make this earth a garden you will promot to heaven or if you try or vandalize the property of Allah by sucide bombing and other means you will be fall in hell. Because according to islam all the things on earth are property of Allah (Aishwar or God) including all human beings without any discremination of religion or faith.

    One thing more I would like to tell you that Allah doesn’t count the prayer or worship it sees its fear in the mind and heart of human about it, because a man who pray five time a day and fasting throughout the month of ramzan but deceives people, blow the fire of hate among people how can be better in the eye’s of deity, whereas a man who is out practice of prayer like me but try to uphold peace might be failed in worship chappter but will be successful in public pool. because Allah will ask to humanity about our behaviors and it has appointed comtemporaries for that as Surat Al Asr tells.

    • Namaste Kashi Brother,
      1. from your text “being a student of Holy Quran you can better understand that it has no injustice”
      Why some people born with prosperity and some with miserable life? Why some with good health and some handicaped? Why some people with different beliefs and some with other belief ? Like I have different belief other than you? On what basis you will find out which are good or bad? On the basis of Qran or Humanity?
      If Allah has produced us and we don’t have anything in our hand (meaning he has written our fate) then why he did not provide prosperity to evryone on the earth (meaning with good fate for everyone)?
      On what basis he did this selection of good or bad fate for his people?
      Please answer logically and not just like because it is written in some book which everyone has to belive wihout knowing its logic.
      2. from your text “Islam’s literal mean is peace, Indian History is witnessed ”
      If this is true then why history of India and world is not like that. Each and Every Non Muslim (some good muslim also) try to keep themself away from such fanatic muslim which on the name of Islam murdered and raped other non-muslim. While doing this they are taking oath of Allah and Qran. After getting caught (sometime ) they did not find it is wrong but they say we are doing correct which is path of Quran and Mohamad.
      I think none find peace untill and unless he meditiate or follow yogic practise which mainly for controlling your anger and body senses. Islam does not have any guidance for such controlling inner sense. It means Root cause of any problem was never analysed by your scholar or those who written Quran.
      3. from your text
      “One thing more I would like to tell you that Allah doesn’t count the prayer or worship it sees its fear in the mind and heart of human about it”
      You mean we should have fear not love for our God. Veda told us (all human being in the universe)to love Prameshwar,to love each other and all living organism.
      Is it in Quran? If it is then why have hatred toward non-muslim and poor animal (Goat,Beef etc) who don’t have their oraganization or any Court?
      Brother try to think logically without getting biased toward any book or any person. Just Open your mind and think.
      From your text you seems to be good person who is having love towards non muslim also. This is one the nice attribute you have…
      Please ignore if there are some spelling mistake.

    • Kashi Assan

      Since you are a Shia , Taqiyya(lying) does not evoke a moral compunction in you.

      I can easily excuse your ignorance of other religions, but i can’t excuse your ignorance of the Quran.

      The Quran is the most intolerant religious book that we have today.

      You talked about living peacefully , sample just a few verses of the quran:

      ▶Quran 3:28
      لاَّ يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاء مِن دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ أَن
      تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللّهُ نَفْسَهُ وَإِلَى اللّهِ الْمَصِيرُ
      LET NOT THE BELIEVERS TAKE FOR FRIENDS OR HELPERS UNBELIEVERS rather than believers: IF ANY DO THAT, IN NOTHING THERE WILL BE HELP FROM ALLAH◀

      ▶Quran 48:29
      مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاء عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَى عَلَى سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ
      لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْراً عَظِيماً
      Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are FIRM OF HEART AGAINST THE UNBELIEVERS, COMPASSIONATE AMONGST EACH OTHER◀

      ▶Quran 3:85
      وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِيناً فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
      And WHOEVER DESIRES A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED FROM HIM, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers◀

      So you see ….You are a LIAR (TAQIYYA MASTER), but alas lies cannot stand the test of truth ..Islam makes a monster out of a normal human being.

      You talk about being good to your neighbors? lolz !!!!!! this is what quran asks muslims to be with their non-mulim neighbours:

      ▶Quran 9:123
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ
      O you who believe! FIGHT those of the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE NEAR TO YOU and LET THEM FIND IN YOU HARDNESS; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).◀

      ▶Quran 5:51
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ
      مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
      “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. HE AMONG YOU WHO TAKETH THEM FOR FRIENDS IS (ONE) OF THEM. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk”◀

      NOT only that, you are ill-read on the barbaric islamic history of india ..here’s some education
      http://kalkiagnostic.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/peaceful-islamic-and-mughal-invasion-of-india/

      WAKE UP !! (only if you are an indian muslim and not some arab supremacist or some nasty iranian mullah soaked with the blood of progressive iranian youth)

      NO HUMAN BEING WITH HUMAN VALUES CAN ENDORSE SUCH AN INHUMAN DOCTRINE! PERIOD

  36. Islam basically means submission to the idea of One Supreme Highest Lord above all. This ” lord” is found within you in the form of your own ” Rabb” – or conscience/code of ethics and your aspirations for a ” right path” that keeps you assured and secure in the knowledge that you are doing the best you can with what you are given. This ” Lord” is also plural- compound- existing both historically and presently and in future prognostications. The confusion you feel is due to a babble of sectarian likes and dislikes… various sects at odds with each other. Get any good translation of The Quran and you will read that Islam has nothing to do with people’s dislikes and likes.but everything to do with reasoned rational argument and essential truth-speaking,offering a criteria of personal and collective conduct- the last Brick placed in our collectively experienced ” Perrennial Philosophy” urging you and all men to speak out their inner truthful opinions and values ( from their own guiding rabb) and outter truth ( their own take on the social scene, human predicament and the environment/way of life,ruling and guiding institutions around them Why? We need a massive unified shift towards a transformational beautiful brother-sisterhood of science and conscience that will renew our faith and let us rise on wings like eagles equipped with super-vision. holistic awareness.Look at Dan Brown’s ” The Lost Symbol” to rise above petty sectarianism.

    • punjabi mack wrote once

      Islam, which means submission, demands from its followers to submit their wills and thoughts to Muhammad and his Allah, a deity that despises reason, democracy, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

      I reject Islam a) because of Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude and b) because of the absurdities in Quran.
      1. Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship with Aisha a 9-year-old child at the age of 53, his killing sprees, his massacre and the genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and looting of the merchant caravans, his burning of the palm plantations, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies and his revenge on his captured prisoners of war disqualify him as a decent human being let alone the messenger of God

      2. An unbiased study of Quran shows that far from being a “miracle” that book is a hoax. Once Quran is scrutinized with rational thinking, almost every sentence proves to be false. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities and grammatical errors. Could possibly the author of this Universe be as ignorant as it appears to be in Quran?
      Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9:5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17).
      It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5: 34). “As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). Quran asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The holy Prophet demanded his follower to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47: 4). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women’s equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282).

  37. we dont like to became the follower of rapist who cheat the world.. by calling allah..n fulfill hisown desire in the name of allah.. marry a child ayesha sex with her at 9yrs old..n said..allah.. allowshim to do.. what the shit.is.. all scripture even bhavishya puran clearly said.. that mohhmad was asur/satan.. wiilcom again to foolthe world..act against humanity..by adopting some law relate to humanity.. like some good morals. nthey will also applies on only muslims..

    to all educated muslim.. ? wud thy like to serve their child or young sister to mohhmad if u went back to his time persiod..just imagine.. wud u..????

  38. Pardone my Bad english..

    Sorry to say, this Article is full of Crap,.

    I as a Muslim, most of like a Sunni (But i don’t do Sajdah on derbars, nor i accept to have right to kill any human, Accept no one is allowed to humiliate Mohammad PBUH). I read alot from your questions and wasn’t stayed back to reply on the talk, I am very pleased that you wanted to be a Muslim.

    One women will take four men to hell as well take 4 men to heaven. ( Father, Brother, Husband, Son )

    If a women protects herself from sin, his doing will grant Allah blessing on those 4 men bcoz they are who contributed in your good life. They all protects your, comfort you, gives your good advice, taunt u, or stop for bad doing. so if they four didn’t guided u they are reasonable though if a women is not on good deeds, her deeds will influence her family, but if they guided you well, and you followed good path among there guidelines, your goods deeds will bless them heavens by Allah’s Rehmat.

    As for Islam, it very simple, and its not hard also. its very polite to every one. Islam orders Muslims to preach Allah Message to humanity, if any one wanted to join Islam, welcome them. If others don’t, let them on their faith and dont push them in not hurt them.

    Those who blast bombs, or in the name of Jihad do killings are real non Muslims, Many sects also confirm it, Though most of the Bomb blasts are in Muslim countries.

    But, Think if any person enters in your home and gain rights on your property what will you do,( Iraq, ..etc) Iraq is a Muslim Country and there must not be American Authority there. ( Just my opinion)
    Thou Killing Americans is not good deed, but please read news or at least ask how many People die every day there.

    And as the Non-Muslim, Indians or other people says that Muslims did this and that to them, please those reasons are in politics, so don’t fetch Islam in it. Many Indians have done many things to Muslims and same did Muslims to others. Thats all politics. Agencies.. etc.

    Islam:
    God is Almighty and only one, nor been given birth nor did gave Birth to any child.
    Allah sent many Messengers and Mohammad PBUH is Last Prophet Of Allah.
    Quran shows right path to Heavens and good Life.
    Allah said to do Sajjdah to Qaba, Muslim must follow Allahs orders without arguments. Its Allah’s will and we must obey it. As Muslim its Compulsory.
    Allah’s all doings are 100.00000000000………..0…..—> 100 / 0 Percent – % positive and good. He know all about every thing. and knows what is right and what is wrong.
    No one is Muslim till believe Allah is One and Mohammad is His Last Prophet.
    Muslim perform prayers 5 times a day. Its Compulsory to do so.
    Muslim women are not meant to wear tight clothing, must respect and maintain there Hijab from non- Mehram( accept from, 1st blood relations i.e, Father, brother, husband and sun).
    Very Beautiful Quote( I have seen Quran And Qaba covered in Lihaf/Perdah/Hijab, now i have understood what is value of Hijab..)

    Best thing about a Muslim is that they Give Birth To Muslim people. so there is no exception for
    non- Muslim Man to merry a Muslim Girl.

    Dont read about any sect if you are confused. There is only difference of Nimaz/ Prayer in all sects.
    Besides, Islam Gives very simple and Must to follow, rules.

    I am not much Literate about all baseline/must t have sectors of Islam so i cant explain them. But you can read Quran to get the Base rules, And For Hadith / Hadees. You can reffer to SAHI BUKHARI or othr 4 Recomended books that all sects do accept to be true. And trust me you only need basic guidline and some must to follow rules to be a Pure Muslim / Momin.

    In Muslims, the real Umat of PBUH is Momin, which is right among all Muslims.

    Every one, Please do let me know if i am mistaken some where..

    And kindly ask me any question you have, i’ll try to answer.

    Why i wrote in this article..: Not jsut to help u to get real knoladge of Islam, But just to save the Image of Islam that All , Molives, Sunni, Wahabi, Ahl-e-Hadees etc people have Ruined.

    Believe me,, No sect Including My Sunni is okey IF.. they don’t obey Haqooq-ul-Ibad ( Means rights of people among people)

    Allah Says: ( I can forgive Haqooq-ul-Allah, but i cannot forgive Haqooq-ul-Ibad ) Means..
    (I can forgive My Rights, But i cannot give Forgiveness on people’s Rights )

    Hadith / Hadis( Mafhoom / tranlation)
    If people are not save from others tongue–>( if they abuse or hert others feeling ). then they are not Muslims.

    Allah Bless me with riotous path and all Others.

    • @Rana

      dear brother, your comments seem to be very pleasing and you do not appear to be a fanatic muslim like others we have witnessed on this site.

      my question is, which Quran do you follow? Here we are criticizing islam based on Quran and Hadith and some silly arguments of muslim scholars like Zakir Naik.

      You say that if a muslim hurts the feelings of others, then hes not muslim, then according to that logic, what have you got to say about Zakir Naik? For the last 15 years or so, he has been hurting hindus, christians, and even muslims when he makes comments like “every muslim should be a terrorist” or “Quran is the final word, so all of you should accept it” or “killing apostates is good and should be done” or “propagation of islam is allowed but preaching any religion other than islam should be prohibited”??

      Many muslims support him and its our duty to rip apart this evil false propaganda of Zakir Naik.

      Your comments on this site are opposite to the commandments of the Quran

  39. As far as ISLAM is concerned, its a religion of peace and harmony. If you have strong feelings then you should not think about not being a muslim, you should except ISLAM as soon as possible and as far as your confusions are concerned then you should go to a religous scholars which are their to help you.
    You should except ISLAM
    MAY ALLAH BLESS YOU

    • @SHAZEB

      how could we accept islam blindly? Ishwar has given us a brain and has given us freedom to use that brain, we cannot simply just accept something because it threatens us to burn us in hell?

      from what angle does islam look peaceful to you?

      Sharia law orders muslims to kill apostates just because they choose to leave islam and propagate their teachings to others? Fanatics like Zakir bhai MBBS try to justify this by using silly treason examples

      Women are considered half as intelligent as men, where are the equal rights???

  40. brother forget about sunni , wahabi etc
    just say the words to become a muslim with sunni or wahabi .
    do ur own search follow quran and hadih .
    Insha Allah all of ur qustions are answered in Quran and hadih .

    u can also see videos of dr zakir naik and imran hosein on youtube .

  41. you dont seem to know much about islam, to begin with
    y do you want to be a muslim if you do not have complete faith in it?
    most of the points that you have stated are myths that are rumored by people who themselves don have much knowlwdge of islam.. remember not every muslim is a know-it-all of the qur’an and hadith.

    you dont seem to genuinely want to convert to islam. im sorry but that is the impression i get. why would some one have so many doubts about a religion having facts they totally disagree with want to persue that religion?

    aren’t you merely being a hypocrite to yourself?

    you cannot believe, that the prophet had travelled to the heavens and jesus was born without a father? if you have doubts believing that God cannot perform miracles, then you will have tough time understanding islam.
    and the moon splitting, that is a miracle that has proof. ask NASA.

    and point no.6, that was very amusing! FYI – none of the names mentioned there other than MUHAMMAD is a prophet. and our dear god had his acts confused and revealed the qur’an to the wrong person?? yeah right!

    qur’an has many versions?? – that is totally knew to me!
    and wanting to be a muslim you must have surely realised that not every verse in the qur’an is a direct order to the muslims. the qu’an is a book, it has stories, predictions, laws/rules and examples. it is not only a guidebook, but more than that. if you just take a phrase and try to interpret it you will surely be mistaken.
    also the style of writing is poetic, not everthying it to be taken literally.
    as god has said many times – THINK!!!

    most of your points make me laugh, if you want to analyse a religion, you are bound to have doubts but that does not mean u blindly believe evrything you hear/read! c’mon do some thinking for yourself.

    all religions have the same base, there is one supreme power – god, who rules the universe. and that god advocates peace 🙂

    on a more basic note – islam asks one to be true to oneself, true to your heart and honest to your beliefs. listen to your intuitions, for your heart always knows what is right.

    • helper miya,

      “. y do you want to be a muslim if you do not have complete faith in it?”

      So , you agree that to believe in islam, one has to put his brain in a hiberation mode !

      “most of the points that you have stated are myths that are rumored by people who themselves don have much knowlwdge of islam.. remember not every muslim is a know-it-all of the qur’an and hadith.”

      Can you specifically point out the points that are myths and has been included in this article

      “you dont seem to genuinely want to convert to islam. im sorry but that is the impression i get. why would some one have so many doubts about a religion having facts they totally disagree with want to persue that religion?”

      I guess Bigotary is a prerequisite for belief in islam !

      “you cannot believe, that the prophet had travelled to the heavens and jesus was born without a father? if you have doubts believing that God cannot perform miracles, then you will have tough time understanding islam.

      I agree! So, we leave this aspect upon madarsaa-chaap semi literates!

      “and the moon splitting, that is a miracle that has proof. ask NASA.

      Does this NASA stand for New Arabic Science Academia ? Coz’ if National Aeronautics and Space Administration has ratified this miracle then I am ready to accept Islam !

      “and point no.6, that was very amusing! FYI – none of the names mentioned there other than MUHAMMAD is a prophet. and our dear god had his acts confused and revealed the qur’an to the wrong person?? yeah right!

      Kindly update ur knowledge, and get some info on shia and qadiyanis !

      “qur’an has many versions?? – that is totally knew to me!”

      You want to be a helper but you are yourself ignorant. Get some knowledge 1st and then Help !

      “also the style of writing is poetic, not everthying it to be taken literally.”

      Its good that our muslim brothers are finally realizing that quran is merely a book of poetry to provide us amusements !

      “most of your points make me laugh, if you want to analyse a religion, you are bound to have doubts but that does not mean u blindly believe evrything you hear/read! c’mon do some thinking for yourself.”

      This negates the very 1st point that you mentioned urself.

      “all religions have the same base, there is one supreme power – god, who rules the universe. and that god advocates peace

      Is it???? What about verse 9.5 and 9.29

  42. Just dont do something to defeat others, such things on internet show hatred, if you really want God with you, you must be good to others, dont humiliate eachother if you have different views. Now about agni’s questions.

    I have given answer of most of them. The material shows that atleast you have really tried to know something, not just to say against someone, otherwise I would really ignore it, but I have given answers here, I could give answer of all but dont have more time now, sooo lengthy it is, and some of them are alike. One thing I found according to Quraan and seems logical to me that when one keeps doing good, and keeps trying to know the right path, God shows the path. It totally depends on our own selves.

    ANswer of some alike questions:-

    Quraan has no different versions, no different verses in different books, Quraan wasn’t written after the death of Prophet Mohammad. You can do some research yourself, you will easily find Quraans from various firqas and different times, and can match them.

    Answer 1. 6. etc. All the groups of muslims may have different views about religious personalities but not about Quraanl. If some of them or even all of them talk negative about others’ “firqas”, cannot send someone to the hell or paradise, only Allah will decide it, and His decision and the way to succeed is very clearly written in Quraan and there are no different Quraans, same matter in all the Quraans. Every mosques made for Allah’s Zikir by any sects is the right one, or at your home, institute, office, others you can pray. What they say is not important, what Quraan says is important, if you want to be a muslim.

    Answer 7. (and some portion of summary). You have learned English so well for this life’s need or wish, you can learn arabic for the longer life in paradise, I have learned Arabic and still learning, 99% of muslim world knowing Arabic is a false assumption. There are translations of Quraan available almost in all languages, and muslims have people among them like Molvis who give them knowledge from Quraan from what they have. But one should learn Arabic, why not if we can learn English or any other language other than mother tongue.

    Answer 8. This verse is clearly for Arabs (“they”), and there are other verses saying clearly that Quraan is for all the people and is made easy to understand.

    Answer 9. Marriage to other sects (firqas) of Islam is not prohibited, making sects in Islam is prohibited (people donot follow their religions exactly, dont you lie? do your religion allows it?), so the question is wrong.

    Answer 11. Almost all religions are against these things, but people kill each other from all the religions not only muslims but also hindus, christians, jews and most of them, and people from all the religions are there including Islam who never killed someone and are totally against it. So, this cant be a reason to leave or join a religion that its people do this or that. But it matters too, people bowed down to the glory of Islam just coz of Mohammad’s acts, his way of living.

    Answer 12, 19. Those were ahadiths written after Prophet, and they are not a condition of Islam to believe in.

    Answer 14. & 15. Fates are already written but what is written there about our exam and results, so simple to understand they are rules if you do this will have this, if not then that, we have different options to choose and thats the exam, knowing right and wrong, nobody forcing you, wrong is tempting but you choose the right one, every moment is exam, but not difficult at all when we know the answers of questions, problem is when we dont have knowledge.

    Answer 17. Where is this written? doing ills to children, women and animals of non-muslims? Quraan has given clear instructions about all of them and emphasized on kindness and good behavior to all specially women and childrenmuslim or non-muslim equally.

    Answer 24. Basics of Namaz which are Qayam, Ruku and Sajda are mentioned clearly in Quraan, and you can offer it anywhere not necessarily in Mosque.

    Answer 25. You can be friends with non-muslims, it is not all an issue according to Quraan, I have many muslim and non-muslim friends, no hatred for any of them. Internet and emoticons, as I said above people have their own views, based on incomplete or incorrect information mostly, its not unislamic.

    Answer 27. No, this is not true according to QUraan. Why are people so concerned about Burqas and beard but not about truth and justice, kindness and equality, feeding others and believing only one God? those are emphasized in Quraan.

    Answer 28. 29. & 30. If you believe in Allah, you must believe in Quraan (and your excuse to not believe in Quraan as it has different versions is false), or dont say you believe in Allah, Allah was believed through a person named Mohammad and he gave Quraan which was from Allah because people believed in Mohammad, if you believe he was true there is Allah, then you believe in Quraan too, Quraan is still the same, so follow everything written there.

    Knowledge is the key, one should have proper knowledge (complete information) about a subject before arguing. I know Quraan, you ask me if you really have confusions, I will answer InshaAllah (if Allah wants to). But not for resultless arguments, we should not waste time.

  43. hi there islam got 2 major sect shia and sunni both belive in god and profecys the deffence comes after the last profest one group (sunee) got hold of frnds of last profet to guide them where as other choose family of profet (shiee) to guide them ….now its on to u do a lil research and chosse waht ur heart says

  44. wow!

    plz explain to me what is the point of writing this highly inaccurate article if you yourself will be the one answering your own questions? why are you even bothering other ppl to express their views if YOU and not ALLAH, have decided that you will burn in hell? Are you out of your mind? do you even realize that while writing this article you were continuously contradicting your own word? even ur own gender? u were not even sure if u were a man or a woman!!! lol! refer to question 9!*

    To start off, the whole world goes round on the principle that majority is authority. So what in the world are u doing basing your facts after only researching a minority? u believe in science? those scientists go through years and years of dedicated research through authentic sources before forming a theory! and so much more detailed analysis before making it a law! u just met a few crazy geezers on the road and based ur article on their information!

    get ur facts straight! Thr is only one Quran! The Holy Prophet S.A.W is the last prophet of ALLAH, those who claim prophethood after his time are mistaken . Thr is only ONE creator, Allah…
    Now that the basics are done…

    Who on earth told you that it was a hadith that a few chaps of Quran were eaten by a goat??? A hadith is a saying of the Holy Prophet! He was not alive when the Quran was compiled, remeber!?

    As far as the case of the compilation of the Quran goes, the first copy was made a few years after the death of the Holy Prophet S.A.W by the first caliph, Abu Bakr with the consent of all the other prominent Muslims of the time! That copy was later multiplied during the third caliph’s reign, Usman, because people were reciting the Quran in correctly from the copies made by them… Since I am discussing the Quran, It was revealed in Arabic because that was the most spoken language of that time! And the Quran has translations in all languages! u dont have to know Arabic to read it!

    When u say the Quran came to the Holy Prophet ‘accidently’, I am reassured u have never researched at all! it was written in the Bible, Psalms and Torah that there will come a prophet with Allah’s final word and book! even his name, Ahmad. was written in those to specify who he would be! Muslims believe in ALL the heavenly books and ALL the prophets that descended upon earth, the only issue is that through history, their account has been changed to the liking of the ppl of that time. Even the Vedas talk about him! Quran was never changed and never will be changed! that is the reason that it is called the absolute guide to life! Because it was never tempered by man’s hand whose decision if altered by his desires…

    i’ll come to the question that I REALLY want to answer. That why were we created?
    We were not created just to worship Allah! if that was the case, we would not be humans but animals or angels. we are humans because we have a CHOICE! sure there are a gazillion paths infront of u! but its ur choice to pick one! no one will pick it for u! neither can u blame anyone for it but yourself! there is no such thing as THE ONE AND ONLY right path! any road u choose can be correct if u dont break the rules! simple really! u are alive because u wanted to be! and what are u really doing with the choice u made…?

    *if u become a muslim and ur spouse a non-muslim, ur marriage is dissolved. either u remarry a Muslim or convince ur spouse to except Islam as well.

    good luck figuring out life!

  45. Assalamualikum! , first of all there is no editions of Quran ok, there is only one Quran, and just Dont Go in details about islam too soOn ,u will get confused! first learn the basics ,luk IsLAM says ALLAH IS THE ONLY CreatOr , and Muhammad s.w is his last messenger and QuraN -e-kareem is his last divine BOok ok , now for the life of the prophet there are various BoOks on ahadits, the MOST TRUESTED AND VERIFIED BOOK of ahadits(life of prophet) is called SAHI BUKHARI, ok now what i want u to do is that dont go to any sect , luk Muhammad s.w showed us only one Islam and now we are the one who are making different sects! shiasm was formed/developed after 100 years if i am not worng and sO on and on the other sects ok ,now i want u to read the Quran’ and understand it as well as sahi bukhari thats it! u r done! and Zakir nayik is a respected person and he dosent use qadiyani literature ok , and luk if any sect claims smthng which conflicts with Quran or goes against teachings of Quran is wrong ok and any sect which claims that the last prophet is other than Muhammad s.w then that sect is wrong , U HAVE UR EACH AND EVERY ANSWER In QURAN AND SAHI BUKHARI ( the book of verified ahadits) may ALLAH leads U , me and everyone towards the right path ,

  46. Satyagni is hundred percent wrong.. this is what happen when you people dont follow practically on islam.. you yourself is confuse, and asking us the opinion.. by the way let me tell you everyone out here.. that this agni is not a Muslim.. he has just gone through our Holy books. and making us confuse… let me tell you one simple thing if you are a realy Muslim by heart… the Allah messenger Muhammad (s.a.w) said jiska khulasa hai qayamat tak bahattar firqe banenge lekin usme se siff ek firqa jannat may jayega.. jo deen par chalega aur deen par mehenet karega… ( deen do jaha ko kehtey hai ek allah ka hukm and nabi ka tariqa.. jo shaks is ko lekar chalega woh duniya may aakhirat may kamyab hoga..

    now this hadees is more enough to understand.. to you.. instead of making this website you must gone and visited to an Aalim.. and ask him what to do. i went through your site and felt that you are not a Muslim.. and to all the readers let me tell you… plzz stop commenting anything about muslims… first undrstand what is Muslim… then talk anything…. allah gives you hidayat

    • @Umair
      How will I know the Aalim I am going to belongs to the one right sect out of 72? Can you suggest any Aalim who belongs to the true sect and how do you decide that?

  47. No need to get confused friends. Just read LA-ILAHA-ILALAH MUHAMADDUR RASOOL ALLAH. Means testifying that “THERE IS NO ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP BUT ALLAH and MUHAMMED SAW IS THE FINAL PROPHET, MESSENGER OF ALLAH ST”.

    Try to understand Islam it is simple-yes restrictions are there but thats good for you(Scientifically Proven). Kindly don’t spread false hatred by not knowing Islam.

    Allah Knows Best.

    • Allah is gay just like all you converted and strayed people, who are making a mockery of say what not of their roots. Shame on you and your words. Talking of Science, you people are not even insects in that sphere yet and will never be. Say thanks to ur epic for that. LOL

      • Satyagni, you yourselves told YOU ARE NOT STANDS FOR TRUTH!!! Else, from where did you get a terribly wrong & false information that shia & sunni have different Al-Quran?!!!! (Allah forbid)

        You even didn’t dare to look at those!!! If you just look at those you could have easily find the truth!!! But you didn’t!!!

        There is one and only one Al-Quran. You are mistaken dear!

        That one sentence is enough to prove ur IGNORANCE about ISLAM!!!

        Go out and find the truth that there is only one Al-Quran out there!

        Different sects have different Quran- Satyagni! (LOL!!!)

      • Ha. .ha. .LOLS!!! If that’s the case then I can give you a thousand website as well as blog id’s which says All Vedas are terribly wrong!!! (God Forbid…)

        You are such a great idiot that you just copy pasting some blog id’s (ofcourse not authenticated ones!!!) as references!!! REMEMBER EVEN YOU DID MAKE A BLOG!!!

        Try some authenticated ones dude!!! Atleast ask a shia & sunni!!! Atleast see one in their hands dear!!!

        I can give you hundreds of ERRORS IN VEDAS links!!!

        I didn’t even read from your 4th point!!! (AS THE THIRD POINT IS THE GREATEST JOKE OF THIS CENTURY!!!)

      • I love when people do lots of LOL LOL. At least we make you laugh!

        I did not send the link for it being any other blog. I sent it because it contains name of a Shia Book, page number and scan of the page.

        Do a search on Quran 17000 in google, or visit your Sunni Moulvi and they will shout thousand curses on Shias for this. This is known for at least last 1200 years if not more.
        http://www.nooremadinah.net/EnglishBooks/KHOMEINI… is another source from a site with more than a crore of viewership.

        If indeed our claim is wrong, kindly first have it discussed within your moulvis to come with a clear ruling and ban all books and sites that allege that Shias believe in 17000 verse Quran.

        The 4th point was for those who are a bit about islam and not beginners. Please ask your moulvis to explain the science of Hadiths.

        Error in vedas link will not help. Because we do not say that those who do not believe in vedas will burn in Hell forever or that those who reject Vedas being Hindu should be murdered.

        On 3rd point, kindly work with your moulvis to ensure that they do not make themselves greatest joke of century.

        May you have peace!

      • Yup dear!!! You really made me laugh!!! LOL!!!

        Your ignorance made me laugh better!!!

        Your posting & comments shows your utter ignorance really! How could I control myself!!!

        Are you talking about links & viewership!!!?!!! Just think about yourselves!!! These bulk comments don’t show you that you are right!!!

        You ignorant are again telling about Google search!!! Even an Satyagni like you can make blunders in this web world!!! Just think!

        It just show you a fact that YOU ARE WRONG & IGNORANT!!! We are just trying to make you come out of your fake comfort zone!!!

        If you get one crore viewership that doesn’t mean that you are right!!! Use your brain man!!

        Your ignorance knows no bound, if not you wouldn’t post here those who don’t believe should be murdered!!! You are 200% wrong abt this post & 400% wrong with this comment!!! Hope you get it!!!

        Please think yourselves with the science of Al-Quran. (Oh! Man! You know about google search!!!)

        May you have peace of mind!!!

      • “Your ignorance knows no bound, if not you wouldn’t post here those who don’t believe should be murdered!!!”

        so the religion of peace is showing its true color !! islam zindabad

      • @Proud to be A Kafir-> LOL! Read carefully yaar! it’s what ur so called Satyagni said!! Not my words!!! Use ur eyes!

      • @shinu

        I went thru that site many a times but all i found was Islamic Idiotics.
        Reading quran is indeed injurious to your mental abilities

      • @Shinu
        Logic seems to be knowledge of Ghaib (unseen) for Prophet Zakir’s followers which is evident from your comments my friend! Prophet Zakir’s disciples should use their brain sometimes keeping aside LOLs and ROFLs which are the only way out for them in logical discussions.

        So for you, viewership of crores is not the proof for righteousness of something but so called fastest rate of growth of Muslims is the proof of Islam to be the best! Science of Al Quran such as splitting of moon, flying donkey of Muhammad, stones stealing Moses’s clothes, Jesus without father etc has no match to today’s science! In modern society, if someone is born without father, he is called as …. but in Islam, it is a miracle and he is called prophet!

        May Allah give you the knowledge of Gaib (logic) so that you dont need LOLs and ROFLs anymore!

      • @Arya->

        LOL! Why are you so afraid of Zakir Naik!?!! We don’t need a zakir naik to believe in Islam & be muslims! Try to understand that first!!!

        So what a faster growth rate shows???

        Just use ur brain lady!!!

      • @shinu

        Faster growth rate shows:
        1. Forcibly converting non-muslims by force as is evident in pakistan. At the time of Independence it had 18% Hindus and today they are less than 10 %.
        2. Taqiya done by the likes of zakir to convert innocents into Islam
        3. Incessant breeding as per the dictats of quran(2.223), which says that women are no more than Tillage for men!

        Just use ur brain lady!!!

  48. May peace and blessings of Allah S.T. Be upon you.
    First thing is that Allah knows the Intension of your’s. do u really want to know ? or Do you wanna misguide others through this little bit of information? Allah says in the Quran ” THEY PLANNED, ALLAH HATH PLANNED TOO AND ALLAH IS THE BEST OF PLANNER”. Finally i would like to advise you that go to Authentic SCRIPTURE of Any RELIGION. don’t see towards the followers u never find any religion such followers even i say further u only answer your veda’s HOW MANY OF U (VEDANTs/pujaris/) FOLLOWS IT? but brother this is not the solution. if u wanna see, see the life of Prophet MUHAMMED SAW (PBUH). I can answer your all questions alhamdulillah. ONE more thing brother our duty is to just Preach or Intimate or Aware or Instruct to unknown people about the TRUTH thats it. Allah hath all the powers to change their hearts and deeds. if u rejects it or already rejected no problem on the day of JUDGEMENT all the people of world will see, and you will be answerable to Allah we not bcz our duty is finished. Again finally i testify by witnessing you that “THERE IS NO ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP BUT ALLAH and MUHAMMED SAW IS THE FINAL PROPHET, MESSENGER OF ALLAH ST”

    • LOL…..LOL…..LOL…….Second thing is that our Maths teacher is very good. You can not question his intentions. You are misguided Alhamdulilah. We will see you on day of judgment when you will not be able to solve the maths problems. Today I ate mango. I fought someone but Alahmdulillah Mashaallah Allah subhaanavtaalah helped me because we are the fastest growing religion, even your maths teacher accept that. LOL…..LOL…..LOL….

      I was born blind because I have come here for test of Allah. He gave me complete free will to see but it was I who did not have it, you dumb people dont understand that. Maths is very good subject. But your mind is full of cow pissssss!!!!!!

      This life is a test of Maths and whoever will pass it, will go to Jannah Inshaallah Alahmdulillah. After we pass it, our teacher will teach us how to pass the test because he gave us free will and you dumbhead dont understand that because you eat shit and drink cow piss. LOL…..LOL…..LOL

      Will come again with some more when Alahmdulilla Inshaalla any Muslim brother comes here for Dawah!

  49. May peace and blessing of Allah be upon All of Us, What ever u ‘ve written and tried to trap or deviate from the right path. By the grace of Allah S.T. i have ALL THE ANSWERS to your ALL SILLY QUESTIONS. that too with AUTHENTIC REFERENCES FROM VEDAS. on the day of judgement u ‘ll come to know that. if any body wants plz ask me frankly i am ready to answer. FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME.

    • @tango
      We shall come to you on Judgment day then! Anyway, do you know that I convinced Muhammad about the truth of Vedas in my previous birth and he rejected Islam and embraced Vedic Dharm? You will come to know this as well on judgment day!

  50. Satyagni as u told above its totally wrrong when u read the HOLLY QURAAN and undersatnd it u will better knows about ISLAM ,, sooo if u don’t know about islam soo don,t any thing wrrong to other , did we told any thing wrrong to ur realigon did we done that soo mind ur own business its better
    we know some of the people tell abuses of ISLAM but we don,t take any reaction to them u know why bec we belive in ALLAH and we know he will do good from us soo we don,t listen them who tell aduses to our realigon

    ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH

      • @ wilder one,

        I have talked to the author of that site, Steve. He says he started it after seeing your site. So, firstly who started it off. Moreover, besides this one, there are many other Hindu sites attacking Islam.

      • @MSV
        Brother, Muhammad started it all. He attacked non Muslims and their beliefs mercilessly. Do you know, what does Quran say about idolaters? "worst of creatures"! It means an idolater is worst than dog and pig!

        Most of the verses of Quran attack non Muslims. Why dont you say even a word for that? And now terrorists like Zakir Naik are spewing venom on Vedas and on other books. Go and first ask for a Fatwa from Darul uloom Deoband to reject all discriminatory verses of Quran and to ban Zakir Naik. And dont forget to ask them for a Fatwa for banning themselves as they too have double standards for Muslims and non Muslims. You can see their site with list of rights, in which rights for Muslims and rights for human beings are different!

        http://darululoom-deoband.com/english/books/right

      • Not only attacking their belief – He murdered others also. read it it is from hadith.
        Sahih Bukhari,
        Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717:
        Narrated Ibn Aun:

        I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn ‘Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn ‘Umar was in that army.

      • taklkin about the who started it first lets see the- who told zalim khalnaik to compare any religion……who told him to falsely interpret the vedas by his own style……. do u thing that idiot wil say any rubbish by his own style promote terrorism n we hindus will keep quit??????????

    • your allah has gone deaf & dumb, he only understands the language of violence which your brethren are happily propagating for last 1400 years….

      When they behead non-muslims / kafirs, they shout Allahu Akbar.
      When they pillage property of non-muslims , they shout Allahu Akbar.
      When they commit mass murders like 9-11 and 26-11, they shout Allahu Akbar.
      When they burn girls schools, they shout Allahu Akbar.
      When they stone women to death for whatever charges, they shout Allahu Akbar.

      So all this proves Allah is anti-god OR Shaitan.

      When I compare Ravana to MoHamMad, Ravana comes across as a saint…

  51. If you want to be a true muslim then you have to remove all misconception about the Islam … Islam is the religion of Allah .and this religion is ever since this universe was created by Almighty Allah … and he revealed holy book Qur’aan on his last messenger Hazrat Muhammad (SAW ..PBUH) .. Now you have to read & understand Qur’aan & have to act on this HOLY BOOK … & saying of Messenger of Allah ,,is called hadees you have to read & understand Hadees too.(.A person can not be a true a muslim , who don’t read & understand allah’s Holy Book Qur’aan & Haddes.of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W.(PBUH))…As we are not Aalim we can give a fruitful advice you , please contact an Aalim of Madarsa Darul uloom..( DEOBAND) … Please don’t put confusion about the Islam in your mind .. you should believe in Allah .. and his last Messenger …Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W.(PBUH)
    If you go back to your previous religion then you will become again unbeliever of Allah,…&.. unbeliever deserve the punishment of Allah , as Allah has mentioned in his Holy Book ..Qur”aan..and his last messenger .. this is an attack of Shaitan on your mind …. May Allah save you from Shaitanic thinking ….
    Please remember that the Version of Qur’aan is ever since last 1400 years & will remain the same till end of universe … No one can change .. Already Jews & Christians are trying to change but failed due to recitation of Holy Qur”aan by heart ,by the Muslims ….. that is a Miracle ….

  52. This site is full of crap and lie….
    AGNIVEER STANDS FOR LIAR, FAKE, WOMAN and brainless person who doesnt have the courage to practise muslim.

    ITS purely an RSS follower… U r really gonna feel fr making this site….

    This site is a SHIT

    • Ram (the black sheep)

      You are quite right because you have a brain which is the size of sulpher atom and it doest not have the analytical abilities.

  53. u hidus,,,,even we muslims hav developed word hindu for u,,,

    i invite u to come to islam,it does not belong to muslims,it belongs you too,its only universal religion without any modification,,,,

    • Well education at the madarsa is no education at all..and you are a shining example of that @Tahir

      It was the Persians who gave us the name ‘Hindu’.

      and unless your ancestors were not marauding ghazis from the desert, they too would have been hindus

      and as far as Islam without modification is concerned ..it was modified many times ..even during the lifetime of the prophet.

      do you know what nasikh-wa-mansukh means in Islam…ask somebody knowledgeable ..he’ll puncture your claim of the unmodifiable quran 🙂

      peace to all

  54. so, (stupidly) i clicked on this ad on facebook….waste of time in my opinion… I did not sit and read through all of it but to an educated person your questions seem baseless and insulting. Firstly, where are you getting these huge differences in different versions of the Quran? There are differences in interpretations yes, and differences in the hadiths we accept, there may also be claim that the Quran was longer a while back, but as the situation currently stands, there is only one version of the Quran. At least my shia and sunni friends for sure only use on version. having different interpretations is expected, every person thinks differently….

    You do have a good point though, some scholars do make weird claims (like internet is haram), but we are people after all, not God, so scholars just advise us of things that could help us, but it doesn’t always make them true, they are not infallible. if you read into it more though, some seemingly strange claims can make sense. I mean, internet can be used for many haram things such as fraud or porn, i mean, just look at how easy pedo’s have it with the internet. I just accept the things that make sense to me and seem logical. The base of Islam is the Quran, and you cannot be a true Muslim without believing everything in that, if you don’t then I guess your not a Muslim…..but even then we cannot say who will go to heaven and hell. Outside of the Quran, we have to be really careful, and to any educated person that’s just common sense….shoot even if you write a history paper you have to make sure your sources are credible, that’s why we have to take great care with anything outside of the Quran.

    the essence of Islam is a love of God, if one loves God, he/she will try his/her best to please Him by trying to follow his wish as closely as possible. If we slip up, its because we are human, and God acknowledges this. It doesn’t mean we think the Quran is crap, it just means we are not perfect, and God has emphasized time and time again that he is forgiving. He just wants us to try our best. you brought up that you cannot fool God….yes you cannot. If you don’t believe, then just don’t believe. If you did truly believe, there wouldn’t even be a question of fooling God.

    Idol worshiping – when we bow towards the Kaba, it isn’t idol worshiping. DUH…..if you still dont get it, let me break it down for you…..idols represent God, they claim to know what God looks like and people eventually start taking the idols for Gods, decorating them, offering to them etc…the Kaba, does not represent God, and nor do people treat it like one. It is there because it represents an important time in history, but not God himself. Its main purpose is to give direction and unity. It is Holy because it played a big part in Islamic history. We don’t have hundreds of imitations of Kaba that we pray to in every mosque, it simply gives a unifying direction. If it were idol worship, we would have one in every mosque and take it as being God – we dont worship the Kaba….

    Also, you have to realize that the Quran came to Muhammad (pbuh) to spread the word to his people. Sometimes the Quran is speaking directly to Muhammad. The fact that it is in Arabic was mentioned because it showed the people of the time the Quran was meant for them. It doesn’t mean non Arabs cant be Muslims. some devout Muslims do actually learn Arabic to get the full meaning, but reading a translation can do just fine too. There are many times the Quran speaks directly to Muhammad and tells him to tell the people certain things. He is after all the messenger, or so we believe. So it was in Arabic, (language of Muhammad), so that he could understand and pass the message on with ease. (lots of people were not literate in those times). This is another thing about the Quran, different verses came for different reasons. You need to do research on what was meant by each verse and why it was given. that might help you to understand it better.

    anyway I dont have time to sit and offer rebuttal to everything you said, but if you dont wanna be a muslim then just leave it alone yeh? this does nothing but make people lose respect for you. I know you are trying to be smart but let me tell you a secret….its VERY naive to believe everything other people tell you, especially about religion. If you are going to get religious advice from extremist nut jobs, then be my guest, the rest of the Muslim and non Muslim community alike will just wonder if you have lost you mind. However, I do get a point from you that certain scholars have made Islam much more complicated and trivial than necessary, but I guess they have mastered the basics so they just want to advance their faith. I don’t agree with a lot of things scholars come up with, and I have issues with the Muslims who take them to be divine.

    peace!

    • Your Comments made me peaceful again, I was surprised to read this article thinking ‘why are people after Islam so much’ is it because they fear that Islam will triumph over the whole world? I don’t know. but whoever says whatever I’ll be a Muslim forever and I’ll be faithful..

      • sister what a reply …so composed and rite there … even i clicked stupidly on this and wen i started reading about quran has many versions or changes i was dumbfound.. but yes brother arya quran has only one version that the whole world follows be it sunni shia or any one else and thats the simplicity and beauty of our religion and as for dr zakir naik he is the student of comparative religions and he knows vedas better than mr agni himself who claims that circumcision creates problems infact not getting it done does medically and hygienically … dr zakir naik quotes the hadith and ayyas meanings from the most authentic places and plus brother arya rather then just sitting around and spreading nuisance about islam u need to do some authentic research on islam it is the most simple religion of five pillars and as far as going to janna is concerned the doors are always open till ur last breath its the most forgiving religion so brother try to realiza jannah in reality and u will understand… it seems that u just took out some extracts and have posed some real stupid and incomplete questions like if u go against ur husband ur doomed it is also in islam that u dont have to follow ur husband or even ur parents with non islamic ideas .. books are there translations are there and by the way to be an arab t o be a muslim is who told you that no arab is superior to non arab and no black is inferior to white is basic of islam so please next tyme wen u want to waste peoples tyme make sure u pose some real questions u need some learning to do … and brother from my heart enetr the peace and serenity of islam and xperience the most power ful life style here and here after its a complete religion not that other religion are totally messed up but there are incomplte areas which need proper completion i can go on for ages but if allah wants his rehmat on you then inshallah u will get it the real truth

    • @erum

      ❶ If you are really educated, you shouldn’t brand your inquisitive exploration as stupidity. Anyways, Do you even know that there’s no manuscript of the Uthmanic Quran available , apart from a late 8th century one? and that too in the kuftic script and not the arabic maail script?

      The question is not about how the quran evolved to become one single quran of the day .The question is that IF THAT”S the case ..CAN IT BE THE WORD OF GOD AT ALL?

      ❷It’s preposterous that you build your case against internet citing pedophilia ….Helo!! where are you?..a devout muslim does not need internet to be a pedophile….A devout muslim canlegally take over a little baby as his wife ..He can actually sleep with an innocent kid with all the blessings from allah!!!..and why would he npot do that ..the best man on earth..your prophet muhammad had a child bride of 6 years himself ..jazak allah khair! subhaan allah ..what mercy, what spirituality, what divineness !!

      ❸Quran itself is sufficient to prove that Quran is flawed.No text outside of quran is needed.
      As an Example ..in Quran Allah boasts “create one sura like it if you can”

      Allah forgot that verses 53:18- 20(Satanic Verses) were created by Satan and were so beautiful that these are still in the Quran !!

      ❹Islam is not the love of god at all and neither does it mean peace.Islam comes from the root s-l-m which means ‘SUbmission,surrender” . and you are right …Islam demands one to set one’s brains aside and accept the quran as true without any questions.
      The Quranic God is hateful,vengeful and afraid of other gods (like Baal etc.) .He proudly admits that He is the one who himself leads his own creation astray…These are nothing but clear signs of a satanic entity and not god at all.

      ❺Islam is as ritualistic and idol worshipping as any other religion.It’s just that you have a house of allah ..but allah is missing from that house.Allah sits on a throne , but is formless.Allah created adam from his own hands ..biut again as you claim is formless.
      Muhammad did not change the direction of his prayers until he faced the ridicule of the jews of his time.Earlier he and his followers used to pray towards Jerusalem !!
      If one goes by your argument..no religion prays to idols ..they pray to the form of god in that idol..

      The hindus drown their idols in the rivers on festivals ..if they thought these idols were gods ..would they submerge them in water?? what a morbid fool you are to assume that!!

      The christians see the motherly love in the statue of Marry, the sacrifice of Jesus in his idol

      But all that is unacceptable to you ..but an allah who sits on a throne without a posterior is game ..ainnit?

    • ❻Allah took 23 years to share his words with the prophet through Gabriel..I wonder why was allah afraid of speaking to Muhammad directly ( as he did with all other messengers except Muhammad).
      Anyways, you are correct ..one needs to understand the correct context on why Allah revealed a specific verse in Quran ..and as far as sunnis are concerned that context is found in the Sahih Hadiths (hadees).

      Let’s sample a beautiful context of why devout muslimahs have to wear a veil even today.

      Many muslim dawagandists hide the fact as to how and why this unhealthy (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/272307) practice of wearing a veil (burqa) came into practice.

      here’s the context from the original source with hyperlink

      ◤Sahih Bukhari
      Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148:
      Narrated ‘Aisha:
      The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. ‘Umar used to say to the Prophet “Let your wives be veiled,” but Allah’s Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam’a the wife of the Prophet went out at ‘Isha’ time and she was a tall lady. ‘Umar addressed her and said, “I have recognized you, O Sauda.” He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of “Al-Hijab” (A complete body cover excluding the eyes). ◥
      http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/004.sbt.html#001.004.148

      MUSLIMAHS HAVE TO WEAR A VEIL BECAUSE A DIRTY VOEYUR LIKE UMAR FORCED MUHAMMAD TO REVEAL THAT VERSE!!!!!

      Now howzzat for research ..the more you research ..more surprises spring up !!!’

      ❼ @Erum ..sometimes its good to heed to one’s own advise …So i nrequest you to research the quran and it’s traditions through hadeeth and sirat ..and believe me , you’d have much against it if humanity & peaceful co-existence are not an alien words to you

      peace to all Sarvesham Shantir Bhavatu

      • Athar Veda 1:37:7 i split open my penis so that all the urine may release.
        how about that i can show you dozens of verses from srimad bhagwatam and manu smriti but you will start crying

        yeah atleast islam says to wear good cloths unlike your hinduism which says to pay tax for covering women’s breasts http://www.contentwriter.in/articles/musings/nangeli-kerala.htm

        yeah it took 22 years but for your vedas it took generations and no rishi got any revelation but the hindus claims they were inspired by god, lol how can we know thy were inspired by god
        and this agnostic indian has copied this hadiths from christian forum, lol cannot do anything by yourself

      • @yeah me

        Nobody needs more than a direct link to quran & sahih hadeet to find about islam…it’s not rocket science !

        ❶You have nothing to refute my argument but just adhominems against me…but what else can be expected from a person who does not have a counter argument.You are forgiven bro
        ❷I don’t believe in books ..NONE ..so might as well throw away all books that talk crap ..can you say the same ?
        ❸ I have given you scholarly hyperlinks as well as veratim arabic verses wherever possible..In return you are just babbling gibberish ! ..is this the way you argue??
        ❹Even if the so called ‘books’ of god be burnt, IF there is a God , a man would realize Him by seeking within and not without!

        Peace

      • just shut your mouth man, i have seen and the reply you give is ”you babble” no one babbles infact you seems to be rambling with the same argument and cannot proceed further because of your misunderstandings. and stop pretending to be a agnostic

      • And your are even ignorant about the Vedas

        ❶Book 1 of Atharva Veda has just 35 hymns..you are quoting 1:37 …seems like IRF has a lot of influence on you ..GROW UP!
        ❷ Are you blind..can’t you read the hadit ? ..The veil verse was revealed because the voyeur Umar forced Allah to reveal the verses when Sauda was going put to relieve herself …What’s that got to do with good clothing? ..it’s more about filthy bad manners of following a lady in this manner

      • lol
        7, I split open thy penis like the dike of a lake–thus let thy urine be released, out completely, with the sound bâl!
        http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe42/av015.htm

        i have seen your so called great arguments and many muslims have defeated you. and just copies from christian missionaries and im not stopping you from copying thir articles atleast you will not come up with silly arguments if u copy their articles. and you cannot refute any claim just browse the contradictions in quran article of Satyagni and see how badly you were defeated and arya has deleted many comments from there.

      • lol
        7, I split open thy penis like the dike of a lake–thus let thy urine be released, out completely, with the sound bâl!
        http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe42/av015.htm

        now dont cry about translations and all read the sanskit version and i have read the sansrit version as well as the hindi version so you fool only your mindless hindus
        i have seen your so called great arguments and many muslims have defeated you. and just copies from christian missionaries and im not stopping you from copying thir articles atleast you will not come up with silly arguments if u copy their articles. and you cannot refute any claim just browse the contradictions in quran article of Satyagni and see how badly you were defeated and arya has deleted many comments from there.

      • @yeah me

        ❶I caught you with your pants down bro…so now you know that there is no 37th hymn in the Atharva Veda Book one. Good.

        But i see you have provided me the verse which calls a charm for constipated souls :)) ….did you read that in sanskrit bny any chance? 🙂 ..i hope for your well being (lest the charm would have worked :)) )

        ❷Just for your information, split-thickness skin graft is used for penis reconstruction.

        BUT THE BIGGEST THING FOR YOU TO TAKE HOME IS POINT #3

        ❸ Doctors have identified the problems of urine retention in cases of circumcissionhttp://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/DOC/statement05.html

        who knows you may be able to help a ‘brother’ get out of his predicament by reciting that charm 🙂

      • Can any muslims scholar , please tell me, that how do I believe that kkkoran is word of god? If muslims dont belive my scriptures, and make fun of them, dont I have the right to return the favour?

  55. my dear i just want to say that thier has sect in any religion like christion, hindusim ,sikh,jews,and lot more as in islam i admit thier has sect so if u want to be muslim you should go back to history for a short moment
    but i clear that qadyani are not muslim at all .but remaining are sunni and shia
    i advice to search abt them acording to your own i belive u will get right path inshallah
    in case of any tention you can consult me as your well wisher please
    the differnce b/w sunni and shia is just the problem of caliph’s rating
    sunni has 4 caliphs but shia has imam as thier spirtual lreligious leader
    quran is same in both sects
    but the translation and explation has some difference

    allah says quran is easy to understand because arabic is aliving language in the world and most of countries has thier national language.
    but the former holy books were in those language which are not being spoken at that time so they are not present in true form
    holy quran is present in its origional language it is revealed
    it is the sign of its reality and truth
    it is the only book in the world which has millons of hafiz(who learnt it by heart)
    a seven year old childern can learnt it by heart

    so i wish you to be a true muslim may allah bless you and help you to find the right way to islam
    ameeeeeeen

  56. u cn follow ALLAH n his prophet Hazrat Muhammad(SAWW) .u ned nt to b cncern that which maslk is going hevn…no one knows except ALLAH! u just go through QURA’AN MAJEED …if u find it true…accept islam..its v.simple!

    • @seher
      So which Quran should I follow brother? Sunnis have their own, Shias have the bulky one with 17000 verses. One of my friend who is Qadiyani and claims to be the real muslim has his own version of Quran which has revelations to Ghulam Ahmad as well.

      I want to accept islam, just want to ask you do i need to learn Arabic to understand Quran? Which Mosque do i need to go, i mean in Sunni’s or shia’s or qadiyani’s ….? My Qadiyani friend has already invited me to read Kalma in his Mosque. Just want to ask you is it OK to go to Qadiyani mosque?

      Please help me.

      • Thanks for the link. That is a Qadiyani/ Ahmadiyya site. I have some good friends who are Qadiyani. Even a noble prize winner from Pakistan was Qadiyani. And Dr Zakir Naik also copies from Qadiyani books. But he also says that Qadiyanis are not Muslims. All other sects say that Qadiyanis are Kafirs. This is very confusing. They say that if you become Qadiyani, you will have worst of Hell.

      • @ agni Brother i just wanna say dat it dznt matter wat oder says coz only GOD knws who is muslim or not… qadyanies r true muslims… our GOD iz wid us so we have no fear if oder sects r against us…. u just login to dis site n ask ur questions inshALLAH confusions will b finished.. JAZAKALLAH

      • I understand my friend. Infact I find Qadiyani ideology to be most liberal and it even accepts Ram and Krishna as prophets. They also do not curse non-Muslims to permanent Hell. My Qadiyani friends also mingle with us openly. But other Muslims say they are worst kafirs. They say Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was a fraud person. Many scholars say that even kafirs may be pardoned but not Qadiyanis. For a non-Muslim this is very very confusing.

        Also Qadiyanis say that there are 73 sects of islam and only one true Deen – of Qadiyanis. So both sides are clear that the other side will go to Hell for sure and is fraud.

        I would suggest other Muslim friends who are non-Qadiyanis to comment on this and help find a way that is mutually acceptable and truthful.

      • Dont come under there influence they have been declared non muslims with the consent of all muslim ulemas go to wikipedia and search u ill get ur answer,even mirza ghulam changed his stance thrice first he claimed to be a prophet after that he claimed to be jesus and than atlast he claimed he is mehdi the blessed one,Qadiyaniat was just a fitna impoed on us by british….Islam is vry simple and beautiful,listen to Dr zakir naik or Dr israr ahmed lectures on youtube and go for the sect which has majority or simply recite kalma That there is only one god and Muhammad PBUH is his last mesenger..say five times nimaaz and u r a muslim

      • Hi There,

        First of all, I find the quran and islam a made up religion. Non-muslims and mainstream-muslims know Qadiyaniat is made up. Qadiyaniat is to islam what mormonism is to Christianity. A total joke. In the Tabligh, Qadiyaniat holy book, you know it is made up. In it there are several different languages in which the Tabligh is made up of. One language that is used is English. Anyone who grew up in an English speaking country knows the English in that book is incorrect. Qadiyaniat believe their prophet, Mirza, received the Tabligh from God. So basically Qadiyaniat are saying God doesn’t know how to speak proper grammatical English. And basically Qadiyaniat are saying God isn’t perfect. It is a basic fact that Qadiyaniat’s holy book Tabligh is filled with grammar errors. They can’t escape from it. It’s basic fact.

  57. If You have so many question why dont u go and ask NAIK ? Let all peoples know what is true islam.
    The Very Unique Question all are saying “Allah” Dont you understand One Allah… Peoples like you the writer of article “Shaitaan” had all made these things i.e diff. sect in islam. Have u read Quran any sect.
    ISLAM is very simple to understand if wnat to belive with heart. Peoples who want to enjoy here in this world openly doest like ISLAM bcoz of lots of restrictions this is the main reason.
    May Allah give peace to ur heart and mind.
    There are lots ot hings but for that one should be Clear with heart and nutral to understand.

  58. I doubt about the authenticity of the original preacher and the holyness of the teachings, in which it is propogated to consider the people who beleive in other faiths as kafirs, and give license to kill them, abduct their women to use them as sex slaves. It looks like a criminal mannual rather than a holy teachings. Even the evil criminal gangs will some times respect the other gang members, inspite of confrontation many times between them.

  59. @ AGNIVEER

    Pranam Satyagni,

    Great sarcasm bro!!!… well done!.. Lets see what different sects of islam have to say on this.. no prizes for guessing though.. its gonna be same old nonsense…. again!

  60. Excellent Article.
    Muslim readers should intro-inspect inspite of of being reactive to this article (which is useless to be here).
    Suddhi is the way for Muslims to come back to Vedic Religion.
    Please go through the articles of Vedic section of this site. Think whether you have the answer of Satyagnis Questions or not.
    If not think why you are Muslim as every way leads you to the path of Hell.
    May God induce Muslims mind to walk on the right way.

    • Alhamdurillah we are on the right path & i request u people first to understand your own religion which never allows a sanatan dharmi to worship idol & this is clearly mentioned in your vedas so before commenting on any thing take the indepth knowledge of that topic.

      • Please be it known to you that we do not worship idols nor we worship multiple Gods. We worship One and Only One God. Huge number of mantras in Vedas explain that there is one and only one Ishwar/ Allah. An excellent one is Atharvaveda 13.4.16-21. It says He is neither two nor three nor four nor five…upto ten. He has always been One and shall remain One and Only one. Further we believe Ishwar/ Allah to be existent, and blissful. He is formless, omnisicient, unborn, endless, unchangeable, beginningless, the support of all, the master of all, omnipresent, immanent, unageing, immortal, fearless, eternal, and holy, and the maker of all. He alone is worthy of being worshipped.

      • This is God’s final message to humanity. All of God’s prophets have come to this world, and all the scriptures have been delivered. The time has come to purify and consolidate all the messages delivered by God’s prophets into one message, and to proclaim that henceforth, there is only one religion acceptable to God – “Submission” (Quran 3:19, 85).

        “Submission” is the religion whereby we recognize God’s absolute authority, and reach an unshakable conviction that God ALONE possesses all power; no other entity possesses any power that is independent of Him. The natural result of such a realization is to devote our lives and our worship absolutely to God ALONE. This is the First Commandment in all the scriptures, including the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Final Testament (Quran).

      • @shahrear

        if Quran is the final and best message, then how about the verses speaking of sex slaves? Sharia Law killing apostates? Having mutual hatred deep in your hearts for kafirs or polytheists or idolators???

      • Namaste brother.

        With all due respect to all believers of all faiths, the notion of God repeatedly sending down multiple testaments (a lot of which contradict each other, and express antagonism towards followers of previous testaments) isn't one that makes much sense.

        Let us agree that God is perfect. Surely, one cannot disagree on that point, right?

        In that case, it must follow that EVERYTHING that God reveals must also be perfect — after all, one cannot be perfect by doing imperfect acts (such as sending down imperfect testaments). Therefore, why would God need to send down more than one testament/message? Surely, God cannot be making mistakes with previous testaments!

        If one is to put forward the excuse that all previous testaments have been adulterated, then that again would suggest that God is imperfect — why did God not send the previous revelations only to those who were capable of preserving it perfectly? Surely, God cannot make the mistake of putting perfect knowledge into the hands of imperfect people, right?

        The whole thing gets somewhat crazy. The Truth (capitalized T for respect!) is that God DID indeed send down the Perfect knowledge at the start, and that knowledge, in the form of the Vedas has been perfectly preserved — not a single syllable has been added or lost! Such of the glory of the One and Only true Lord!

        My entire being bows to the Eternity and Truth of RigVed, YajurVed, SamVed and AtharvaVed.

        Let the Truth enlighten and purify all!

      • Dear Sainik

        I do appreciate your Raw knowledge you are educated one and I understand that you have full and firm faith on Vedas, I doubt on you whether you have ever read Vedas properly or you have never read Vedas
        and you have simply commented on the saying what you have heard from others, If you believe VEDAS than Follow than I am here to Prove The Islam which was brought Mohammed (S.A.W.)

        Please read it :

        PROPHET MUHAMMAD (peace be upon
        him) IN OTHER WORLD RELIGION
        SCRIPTURES
        1

        HINDU SCRIPTURE
        The scriptures of Hinduism known as Vedas, Shastras, Puranas, etc. are all in Sanskrit Language. It is universally accepted that Sanskrit had been one of the oldest language in the world. In this Sanskrit language, there is a scripture known as ‘BHAVISNYA PURANA”. This is supposed to have been written by the Sage, Maha Rishi Viyasar
        In its original script:-
        The translation read as follows
        ‘AMilechar (a foreigner) will appear as a teacher of a new religion, with the help of his friends. His name would be ‘Mahamat’. A king of this land will give great respect to his teaching; and praise him. Cleansing himself with Ganges water and Panjagouyom, he would say, ‘I wholeheartedly follow you’ He Mahamat would be devoid of all sins. Coming from dry (desert) land, he would be very holy. He will fight against evil forces. He will gather warriors, for this purpose. He will give protection even to enemies’.
        In this verse, the name ‘Muhammad’ is mentioned directly as ‘Mahamat’ at the beginning of the second sentences. Also in this there is very clear prophecy regarding Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. Please note that this verse specifically says ‘Milechar’ a foreigner – not an Indian – and his name would beMahamat.
        King of this land giving great respect to Mahamat’s teaching refers to a South Indian King by name of Cheraman, who had trade contact with Arabs and later become a Muslim at the time of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.
        Adarva Veda is a Sanskrit Scripture that was written even before ‘Bhavishya Purana’. It
        is known how many hundreds of years before the birth of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. was
        Adarva Veda written. In this Scripture in episode (Kandam) 20, Chapter (Sutra) 127
        verses (Mantra) 1, 2 and 3 reads as follow:-

        Translation “Oh Mankind, listen with a complete belief: A man, who will be of all praise,
        will be created amongst mankind. We shall provide him sanctuary against his sixty2
        thousand and ninety enemies. He and his friends will come in twenty camels; the dust stirred by these camels will be so much as to cover the horizon. He will give gold, horses and cows as gifts”.
        1) Man of praise refers to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. in fact the actual meaning of
        the Arabic word Muhammad means be praised.
        2) It is known exactly how many enemies prophet Muhammad s.a.w had at this time,
        but it is however established that there were thousands
        3) When he and later his companion made his Hijrah (emigration) from Makkah to Madinah, they went on camels. (No sage or saint or religious – teacher from Indian, traveled on camels; and so, this definitely cannot refer to anyone from India. It must refer to people who traditionally travel on camel! And they were Arabs)
        4) Whatever gold, horse and cattle that prophet Muhammad s.a.w received, he gave
        away as gift to the poor and needy.
        From these, it is very clear the verse in Adarva Veda prophesies the coming of Prophet
        Muhammad PBUH
        In another chapter of Adarva Veda – chapter 1, verse 10 – the translation reads as
        follow:-
        ‘Allah is complete. (The words Allah do appear in the original Sanskrit text). The whole universe belongs to Him.Mahamat (here again the word Mahamat do appear in the original text) who glorifies God’s existence is his Messenger. Oh God! Oh God! God who activated the universe is the Creator and Sustainer of the Earth. There is only one god, no one else.
        Behold the magnitude of the Formless God! God who revealed this Adarva Veda containing ‘On Kerim’, created Mankind, cattle and everything. Pray only the Formless one – God. Mahamat, who will destroy the evil with ‘On Reem’ prayer, is Allah’s Messenger. There is no other god except the Omnipresent God.’ (Allobanished 1:10)
        Also please note that the Adarva Veda – one of the Hindu Scripture –also attests, or
        confirm, that God is only ONE; and he is Formless.
        3
        In another of the four Vedas in Rig Veda – it is said; “Mahamat who is truthful, knowledgeable and powerful, will bless me. He is blessing for the whole world. He is glorified with ten thousand people” (in Al-Quran, prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is referred to as Rahamatun – lil – Aalamin “meaning “Blessing for the whole world’ –same phrase as appears in the above quotation).
        Also mentioned of the ten thousands refers to the exactly ten thousand sahabats (companions) of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who accompanied him when he marched into Makkah.
        Mahabarata – one of the older Hindu Scripture – written many centuries before the birth of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) –also prophesied the coming of the last prophet in the chapter ‘Kaliyuga Kandam’. It is written there: – “In the period of
        Kaliyuga (the last Yuga-celestial period) a person named Mahamat will be born. The
        clouds will provide shade for him. He will migrate from his place of birth. He will marry many wives. To him will descend a scripture with 30 parts. He will conquer his birth place with might of warriors. He will cleanse the place of worship. The world will attain peace through him”.
        Please note in the above passage that even the name ‘Mahamat’ has been clearly
        specified.
        The mention of a scripture with 30 parts – as everyone knows – refers to Al-Quran, which contains 30 chapters. When prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) was a small boy, he once accompanied his uncle on a business trip to Syria. A Christian Priest who had his monastery on the way to Syria, observed that clouds were following overhead the small boy, giving shade from the scorching sun of the barren desert. This is the incident foretold in the above passage inMahabar ata.
        Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) prime teaching was Oneness of God – and
        this is what is told in the above prophecy.
        4 In Sama Veda – on of the Vedas of Hindu religion – (sama Veda, ii: 6, 8)
        ‘Ahmad acquired Shariah (religious law) from his lord. This Shariah is full of wisdom. I
        receive light from his just from the sun’
        Here again, the name of prophet to come has been specified as Ahmad (Muhammad)
        But some old commentators, because of ignorance of the Arabic word ‘Ahmad’, could not comprehend that name and so have mistakenly translated the word, by splitting the word ‘Ahmad’ into ‘Ahm at hi’ and gave wrong expectations.
        However other verses in the same Sama Veda affirm, that ‘Ahmad’ is none other than
        Muhammad, thus;
        ‘A man called ‘Mamma’ will attain victory with his ten thousand people’
        It is to be noted that in this verses, the name of the man (yet to come) has been
        specifically mentioned as ‘Mamma’ (does not this word sound similar to Muhammad?)
        And, attaining victory with this ten thousand people is none other Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) – if one knows the life – history of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
        The Bible too in Deuteronomy, describes this man, coming with ten thousands me as
        follows;
        ‘…………….he shone from Mount Paran he come with the ten thousands holy ones’
        (Deut 33.2)
        Mount Paran is nowhere else except in Arabian Peninsula. And this verse in the Bible too, tells about the ten thousands ‘holy one’ (companions of Prophet Muhammad) who accompanied the Prophet at the victory of Makkah.
        Co-relating this verse in the Bible and the verses in Sama Veda, it is clear that the one that shore from mount Paran and attain victory with ten thousand people is none other than Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

        PERSIAN SCRIPTURE

        Pharsi religion (the religion that was practiced in Iran in pre Islamic era) is the one of the
        oldest religions on the world. Its scriptures are known as “Dasatir” and “Jant Avasthe”.
        In the Dasatir, in its 14th Verse, Islamic principles with administrative laws are written. In
        these verses, Prophecy about Prophet Muhammad PBUH is stated very clearly. It says:
        Translation: – “when Persian morality decline to lowest, a man will appear from Arabia. Those following him will choke the Persian crown, religion and everything. The authority and control of Persia will go to them. The idols in their (Arabic) permanent temple (kaaba) built by their ancestors will be removed. But people will give immense honour to the empty temple. Das and Bulk (two big cities of that time in Persia) will fall. The learned people and others of Persia will join those who follow him.” (Prophet Muhammad PBUH).
        This older Persian Scripture is still found in present day Iran.

        BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES
        Due to ignorance of the true concepts of the teachings of Buddha, many Buddhist believe that in Buddhism there is no place for BELIEF IN GOD! But many archaeological findings prove to the contrary – Buddha has EMPHASISED to believe in One God, and he has prophesied the coming Prophet Muhammad PBUH. A famous scholar, Arthur Lily, says that the following was seen as an inscription on a stone – Slab, as saying of Buddha: –
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        “Believe in God and do whatever righteous things He has commanded you to do, because he is the Only One who is fit to be prayed and showed your humbleness. I declare openly there in no other way equal to this belief (of One God) to attain the Bliss of Heaven. So, oh, my people put in all your efforts to attain this highest goal”.
        Buddha could have been one of the many prophets and he too had prophesied the coming
        of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
        “Thikanikaya” is one of the Buddhist Scripture. In it is stated that “Maitriya” will finally
        come.
        During the later years of Gautama Buddha, his closest disciple, Ananda asked,
        “Who shall teach us when you are gone?”
        Buddha replied:
        “I am not the first Buddha who comes upon earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time, another Buddha will arise in this world, a holy one, a supremely enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a master of angles and mortals. He will reveal to you the same external truths which I have though you.
        He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at its climax, and glorious at the goal. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure, such as I now proclaim. His disciples will number many thousands while mine number many hundreds”.
        Ananda said: “How shall we know him?”
        Buddha replied: he will be known as “Maitraya”
        It is also stated in the book “Arshagyanani” page 282 as Buddha having said:
        “All must believe the “Maitriya” – the prophet to come.”
        9
        If we study the qualities of that “Maitliya”, as told by Buddha himself, it would be clear
        that the afore-said prophecy pertains to Prophet Muhammad. How?
        Buddhism declares that Buddhas are not God. In “Dbammapada” vol x, it is stated.
        “The Tatbagatas (Buddhas-prophets are only preachers”
        Thus, all buddhas are preachers, but all preachers cannot be Buddhas. Whence, all those who claim to be God, and all those whose followers call their teachers as God, cannot qualify for Buddha’s prophecy, because its explicitly says that the “Maitriya” would only be a preacher.
        All the Buddhist scripture, Saddharma Pundika, states the qualities of an ideal preacher,
        thus:
        The strength of charity is my abode, the apparel of forbearance is my robe, and voidness (selfishness) is my seat. Let the preacher take his stand on this and preach. When clods, stick or pikes or abusive words or threats, fall to the lot of preacher, let him be patient and thinking of me.”
        Anyone, who knows the life-history of Prophet Muhammad, can easily realize that the
        qualities mentioned in the above saying of Buddha, befits Prophet Muhammad, in toto.
        And analyzing the word “Maitriya” mentioned by Buddha as the “great prophet yet to come”, one can affirm beyond all doubts that, that Maitriya is, indeed Prophet Muhammad.
        The word Matriya – or, Mettaya in Pali Language and all corresponding words used in Burmese, Chinese, Tibetan and Japanese – carry the same meaning as the Arabic word “Rahmath” – meaning “Blesses”, “Benevolent”, “merciful”, “compassionate”, etc.
        And Prophet Muhammad has been addressed by God Himself in Al-Quran as
        “Rahmath (=Maitriya) – Lil Alameen – Muhammad is blessing for the whole
        world.
        It is stated in book “Arshagyanam” page 282, as Buddha having said
        “All must believe the “Maitriya”, the prophet to come.”

        CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURE
        In the Christian Scripture – The Holy Bible – in “Song of Solomon” 5:16 read as follow
        (in the original Hebrew Language).
        “Hikko Manittadim Vikklu Mahamadin Zahyudi Ver eur Raai Benute Yafus
        Halam”.
        Translation:-
        “His speech is most sweet (His teachings are most sweet). He is Muhammad. He
        is my beloved; he my friend. Oh, daughters of Jerusalem, I love him very much”.
        In this song in Hebrew language, the word Muhammad is mentioned very clearly. The last two letters – I’m which come with that word, are used as “word of respect” in Hebrew Language. The Jews do sing this hymn even to-day; but do it as some sort of rites; without really realizing what they are reading. In the bible of other language- English, etc, that phrase has been translated as “He is altogether lovely” – the original word Muhammad being left out; and replaced with “altogether lovely”!! – for reasons known only to the translators)
        Also in Deuteronomy 18:18, it says as God saying to Moses:
        “I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee and I
        will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command”.
        Although Christians may say that this prophecy refer to Jesus Christ, if the verse is carefully analyzed, it can be clearly understood that it refer to Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
        a) Other than the fact that both Moses and Jesus were Jews and that both were
        prophets, there are no other similarity.
        b) If it is to be said that Jesus befits this verse because of these facts, then it can be claimed that the prophets Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc, should also fit this verse, because all of them were Jews, and they were all prophets.
        Whereas, Moses and Prophet Muhammad PBUH were alike because;
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        Moses and Prophet Muhammad PBUH both brought new covenants to the people of the time. Jesus did not bring any new covenant but he came to affirm and testify existing laws brought by Moses as he himself says in Matthews 5:17 – 18
        “Think not that I am come to destroy the laws or the prophets. I am not
        come to destroy but to fulfill.”
        II.
        Moses and Muhammad both had a father and a mother. Jesus had a mother but not
        father.
        III.
        Moses and Muhammad PBUH married and begot children, Jesus remained a
        bachelor.
        IV.
        Both Moses and Muhammad PBUH died natural death. Jesus, according to
        Christianity, was violently killed on the cross.
        V.
        Both Moses and Muhammad PBUH finally attained leadership and authority over their society. They were both unproclaimed kings of their people. Jesus did not attain this.
        Also the verse says “FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN”!
        Ishmael and Isaac were sons of the same father, Prophet Abraham, and so they were brothers. Thereby, the children of one are “BRETHREN” to the children of the other. The children of Isaac are Jews; and the children of Ishmael – who are Arab, are their ‘BRETHREN’. The Bible affirms this.
        “And he Ishmael shall dwell in the presence of ALL HIS BRETHREN” (GENESIS
        16:12)
        “And he Ishmael died in the presence of ALL HIS BRETHREN” (GENESIS 25:18)
        The children of Ishmael are Brethren of the children of Isaac (Israel’s – Jews)
        Muhammad was a descendent of Ismail; and thus he was arisen from among their (Jews)
        brethren – thereby fulfilling the prophecy to the verse:-
        “I will raise them up a prophet from AMONG THEIR BRETHTREN.”
        THE NEW TESTAMENT of the Christians is no exception in prophesying the coming of
        Prophet Muhammad.
        Jesus says:
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        When the counselor comes, when I will send to you from the father, the spirit of truth,
        who goes out from the father, he will testify about me.
        John:
        15:26
        But I tell you the truth. It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away the counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt. John 16:7
        I have much more to say to you, more than you can bear.
        John 16:12
        But when he, the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you unto all truth. He will not speak
        on his own. He will speak only what he hears and he will tell you what is yet to come.
        John: 16:13
        He will bring glory to me.
        John 16:14
        It is clear that Jesus talks about somebody yet to come, after him. Who is that? Jesus tells that he will be the Counselor and also he is Spirit of Truth. Now let us compare these verses with the life history of Prophet Muhammad; and it will be seen that Jesus was, in fact, referring to Prophet Muhammad. How?
        Even during his younger day before the assignment of prophet hood Prophet Muhammad was also addressed to as Al-Ameen meaning truthful man (spirit of truth), one who could be completely trusted. Jesus also refers to counselor yet to come as Spirit of Truth.
        And every reader of the Quran and the Hadith knows that Prophet Muhammad, at many times, had testified and glorified Jesus as one of the mightiest prophet. In fact there is a chapter in the Holy Quran named after Mary, mother of Jesus.
        And verse 16:13 of john removes all ambiguity and arguments as to who this spirit of
        truth is:
        It is clearly Prophet Muhammad; because not even a single word in the Holy Quran is his
        own; he merely repeated what he heard through Angle Gabriel (even ardent opponents of
        Islam accept this fact).
        And Prophet Muhammad has prophesied about many, many things that are yet to happen.
        During the last 1400 years, it has been found that many of his sayings have been fulfilled.
        (A long list of such prophesies that have been fulfilled can easily be quoted here; but due
        to want of space in a small booklet such as this, I leave it out.)
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        So my dear friend what have you got to say now. and for your knowledge . So if you have Firm faith on Vedas than please correct your knowledge about Vedas.

        Please read Carefully and follow it in right way.

      • In that case, it must follow that EVERYTHING that God reveals must also be perfect — after all, one cannot be perfect by doing imperfect acts (such as sending down imperfect testaments). Therefore, why would God need to send down more than one testament/message? Surely, God cannot be making mistakes with previous testaments!

        Dear brother,

        You are right. Quran is not a new law or new testament. It is a manifestation that was sent down to
        reassert all the previous testaments which lost their genuinity and intactness by periodic alterations and evolutionary changes done manually. Quran didnot intend to disprove the original and old testaments. It just reasserted them. One clear example for this is , there is a lot of similarity between testaments. For example see the verse on top of this webpage.

        He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always.

        He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)

        If you remove the (Yajurveda 40.8) part, I am sure that every muslim,jew,christian,hindu would definitely think that it is an excerpt taken from their own books.

        May Allah reward you.

      • Brother mohammedzabiulla
        Question here is that why did not Allah protect His previous words from adulterations? Is it due to human evolution? No! If that be so, you have to accept men of today’s era more intelligent than Muhammad (PBUH). Moreover, what is the guaranty that evolutionary changes will not occur to Quran?

        Yajurved [40:8] can not be appreciated by Muslims because Quran says that Allah has shape, and He is not omnipresent. Allah lives on seventh heaven and has two hands etc, so He can never be compared to the Eeshvar which is mentioned in the Mantra. So you see, Vedas still have the concept which is accepted by all but Quran does not have it.

        So only Vedas are to be followed as they are preserved in their original form and are logical and scientific.

        May Eeshvar help us get out of ignorance and achieve bliss.

      • Dear Vajra,

        you said
        “Question here is that why did not Allah protect His previous words from adulterations? Is it due to human evolution? No! If that be so, you have to accept men of today’s era more intelligent than Muhammad (PBUH)”
        ———————————-
        Answer :

        Surely, the adulterations of the previous books happened only at Allah’s will. In doing so , Allah the Almighty wanted to test the mankind.Whether they would again turn to their lord.Before Jesus(PBUH) came into the world, the Jews were having the holy scriptures of Tohrah (the exodus). God sent Jesus with Injil (the bible) to test the jews. But rather they accused Mary (PBUH) as unholy (OUDHUBILLAH) and tried to crucify Jesus (PBUH).Just because they believed that they were superior to all other people and they wanted a prophet to be born from among them thereby rejecting the new revealations. Almighty Allah knew their hearts , but wanted to show the world their true colors. So he captured it in a series of situations.

        Then came the period of Quran , when Bible was altered. It was a test to those christians , who did not want to listen to Muhammad(PBUH) only just because he belonged to a lower class as compared to theirs. But the wise among the Christians were rightly guided. When Quran spread to the entire world today , it is a test for the whole world wheter it accepts or not.


        —————————————
        you also said
        “Moreover, what is the guaranty that evolutionary changes will not occur to Quran?”
        ———————————–
        ANSWER

        It is very easy to identify the original Quran from a fake one. Unlike the other scriptures.It is because the intactness of Quran has so far been preserved at Allah’s will. Take Qurans of different periods from your local library and start examining the differences in the orginal text. You would end up only with typos.

        So far, there isn’t any evolutionary change in Quran , even after a revolutionary change in the world in these 1400 odd years. This itself is a concrete manifestation that it is impossible to change theQuran in the coming years as well. Even if you change and publish one, the infinite and intact copies of Quran available today will easily prove the fakeness of the new book.

        One possible way is to burn all the Qurans (OUDHUBILLAH) in this world and replace them with a fake one,which I believe is impossible. Even if you managed to do this, there are a numerous Hafeez – E- Qurans today , on whose minds, the Quran is imprinted , can easily identify the fake books. Alhamdulillah.


        you said :

        Yajurved [40:8] can not be appreciated by Muslims because Quran says that Allah has shape, and He is not omnipresent. Allah lives on seventh heaven and has two hands etc, so He can never be compared to the Eeshvar which is mentioned in the Mantra. So you see, Vedas still have the concept which is accepted by all but Quran does not have it.
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        ANSWER :

        As a Muslim, I appreciate all the verses in Yajurved which are inline with Quran. It is a religious book. I respect it , I do not follow it.I believe every true muslim does the same.

        Hope I have answered your questions.

        May Allah reward you.

      • Brother mohammedzabiulla
        1. Why did Allah want to test people? Did He not know everything already?
        2. Why will not Allah test people of future by revealing another scripture?
        3. Regarding changes in Quran, visit http://Satyagni.com/3118/miracle-islam/. Hope you will come out of ignorance after this.
        4. I proved that Yajurved [40:8] is out of line with Quran but you accepted that Muslims believe it! It simply means that Muslims believe something which is against Quran!

        Contrary to your hope, you did not answer any of my questions.

        One more question in addition to above, why did Allah create us? This question is unanswered from the day it was raised by one of the members of Satyagni! Hope you will help..


      • 1. Why did Allah want to test people? Did He not know everything already?
        ——————–
        Answer

        Allah wanted to test the people because people(not Allah) will know the difference between the believer and the disbeliever themselves.

        Allah knows everything. But , people will not agree if he simply decides using his knowledge .So Allah provides proofs for our sake, by recording our actions in response to the tests he puts to us.So that on the day of Judgement, it is your actions which will speak on behalf of you which even you cant deny because you did it.So Allah will not have to ask you to rely on his knowledge for judging you.LO!Almighty Allah is the fairest.


        2. Why will not Allah test people of future by revealing another scripture?
        ———————–
        Answer

        Allah clearly mentions the holy Quran that prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is the last of the prophets that he sent to the earth and Quran is his last scripture. Allah doesn’t need to reveal anyother scripture further.


        3. Regarding changes in Quran, visit http://Satyagni.com/3118/miracle-islam/. Hope you will come out of ignorance after this.
        ————————-

        Most of the things mentioned are faulty arguments. The remaining are misinterpretations. I shall tackle this thread in the comments section of the same topic which I think would be appropriate becasue many people would come to know.


        4. I proved that Yajurved [40:8] is out of line with Quran but you accepted that Muslims believe it! It simply means that Muslims believe something which is against Quran!
        ————————-

        Brother, I told that I respect all the lines which are inline with Quran. Which implies that, I reject all the Yajurvedic verses which are out of line. I donot understand how you deduce the statement that muslims believe in something which is against Quran. Please shed some light on your motives for concluding it so.


        Why did Allah create us? This question is unanswered from the day it was raised by one of the members of Satyagni! Hope you will help..
        —————

        Allah created the mankind and the jinn for none save his worship.

      • Brother mohammedzabiulla
        Your all answers are based on Quran and not on logic except 3 because you have not even tried to answer that! I request you to give logical replies to prove Quran best and not Quran itself for this purpose. I will just show few fallacies in your ans1 so that you can rectify your reply for others too.

        You wrote- “Allah wanted to test the people because people(not Allah) will know the difference between the believer and the disbeliever themselves.”

        1. This technique is a failed one because majority of the population does not even believe in believer-nonbeliever concept, forget about knowing the difference between them. Even those people who believe in this hateful ideology dont possess enough intellect for recognizing others as believers and disbelieving. For example Sunnis recognize other sects as Kafirs. Shia, Qadiyanis and all others recognize themselves to be believer and rest to be Kafirs! So within more than 72 sects of Islam, each one thinks itself to be Islamic and others to be Kafirs and in this way, one sect is opposed by 71+other sects! Where is the consensus?

        I think you would have understood by now the failure of this technique.

        2. What was the need for people to know this difference if Allah would have written all good for all humans in Lohe Mehfooz? Why did He create the differences among people? In other words, why did He give different questions, time, level of questions, number of questions, etc to examinees?

        Anyway, these questions are the subsets of the main question which I asked you and you wrongly thought that you have answered. It was, why did Allah create us? You replied again through Quran that we were created to worship Allah. Now tell me, why did Allah want to be worshipped? A desirous entity can never be God. Now if you say that He does not need our worship but we need it for our betterment, it is again fallacious circular logic. Question will come that the very existence of “we” comes later, but before that, it was desire of Allah to be worshipped otherwise what do you mean by betterment of non existing entity “we”? We did not need to worship when we were not existent!

        Allah was alone at one time, He suddenly thought of creating us, I ask why? Nobody was there to get benefited from Him then for whom did He create? Surly for Himself and Quran accepts it. In this way, Allah seems to be an artist (who got bored living alone from time immemorial) who fills different colours in the different parts and then likes some colours, dislike some colours and then curses the disliked portion to hell! Unfortunately He created consciousness in those colours to see the live actions. Its so amusing for Him but disgusting for the sufferers.

        So be logical Brother, accept the truth and reject the falsehood.


      • Your all answers are based on Quran and not on logic except 3 because you have not even tried to answer that! I request you to give logical replies to prove Quran best and not Quran itself for this purpose.
        ———————–

        Before answering to your questions, I want to know what is your view of this world,creation and God in terms your logic.

        May Allah reward you.

      • Brother mohammedzabiulla
        I believe that God, souls, and Prakriti (smallest form of matter) are beginningless i.e. uncreated. Out of these, God and souls are conscious and matter is unconscious. God is complete, perfect and unchangeable in terms of knowledge and other characteristics. In short,

        “God (Ishwara) is existent, conscious, and blissful. He is formless, omnisicient, just, merciful, unborn, endless, unchangeable, beginningless, unmatched, the support of all, the master of all, omnipresent, unageing, immortal, fearless, eternal, and holy, and the maker of all. He alone is worthy of being worshipped”

        Soul is imperfect and is cared by God always. God wants every soul to be in state of bliss. For that, soul needs to do good deeds. For doing deeds freely, freewill is needed. For giving freewill and capacity to act, souls need body, without which they cant do anything. So God gives every soul bodies to perform deeds and He gives inspiration from inside to do good always but does not interfere directly. Moreover God enlightens the civilization with the knowledge of Vedas so that the definitions of good and bad can be established. Knowledge is required to act correctly and that is why Eeshvar gives the knowledge of Vedas in the starting of human life. So it is like two suns shining in your world, one is outside you in the form of Vedas and one is inside you, the voice of God. In purest state these two suns look completely coherent whereas in the state of partial ignorance, the inner sun looks fade due to one’s own layers of ignorance. Souls, who listen to God’s voice and do good deeds head towards Mukti (slavation, the state of ultimate bliss). And one day, when they reach a threshold, they become Mukt. In this state, souls live in God’s bliss always. No birth, no death, no tensions whatsoever. Souls can explore God and other things as well in this state as it is the state of pure knowledge.

        On the other hand when a soul does bad deeds, the habits become more and more bad which further try to deviate soul towards sins. When it reaches this state, God gives the soul another form, other than humans, which dont have freewill to be able to do anything further with choice. This helps soul get out of the effects of bad habits which were imprinted on it and which were hindering it to reach Mukti. When soul in such forms remains for some time, evil impressions from their souls are eradicated through time and restriction and again the soul is given the human birth. And again he is given the opportunity to do good deeds and reach salvation.

        In this whole process, we can say that God only creates universe because He wants to give every soul opportunities to reach salvation. THUS GOD CREATES UNIVERSE FOR SOULS BY USING MATTER.

        You can visit http://Satyagni.com/2708/understanding-vedic-god/ and other articles as well in the series on God and creation to know Vedic perspective of God and creation. I have still not cleared many things which I think can create some confusion in first go. So question it wherever you find any flaw, it will be better understood in the form of discussion. You can raise lot of questions on this belief, and I am here to answer. And please compare it with your belief and choose more logical and rational one.

        May Eeshvar show us right path.

      • Brother Vajra,

        When I asked you to give you a logical explanation, you gave me a theory.
        This is your belief. Moreover, all this is what you mentioned is from vedas but not from an external evidence.

        So, lets agree on one point here

        1. BELIEF IS THE FUNDAMENTAL FOR ANY FAITH. LETS ANALYSE HOW THOSE BELIEFS ARE FORMED.

        2.ITS NOT POSSIBLE TO PROVE QURAN OR VEDA FROM LOGIC COMPLETELY. GOD(EESHWAR OR ALLAH) IS AN ENTITY WHICH IS FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN THE LOGIC THAT WE HAVE TODAY. INFACT WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT THE SO CALLED LOGIC WHICH WE HUMANS PERCEIVE ITSELF IS NOT PREFECT, IT HAS TO FURHTER CENTURIES OF EVOLUTION. THATS THE REASON WHY LOGIC CANNOT BE APPLIED TO MANY THINGS.

        so lets not waste our time trying to prove QURAN OR VEDAS from logic, but lets put forth comparisions what are the real Quranic verses and the real Vedic verses and understand them in that light.

        What do you say?


        You can raise lot of questions on this belief, and I am here to answer. And please compare it with your belief and choose more logical and rational one.
        ————————————–

        Yes brother, lets discuss . but not argue/accuse/abuse…there are somany platforms for argument. It took me sometime to get into Satyagni, because people here sound more assertive than accusive.

      • Brother Mohammedzabiulla
        Logic do not work in the absence of theories Brother. In fact two theories can be compared on the basis of logic and then the better one can be chosen. Show me any discontinuity or contradiction in my theory. Also check which theory out of the two better answers the questions raised in one’s mind. Check whether the theory befits the criteria of science and morality etc.

        For example when I ask, why did Allah create us, you told to get worshipped. Then I ask, is Allah perfect and free from all desires? You will say yes. But one can see the clear contradiction in the two. If He had no desire, He could have not created us to worship.

        You show me what in my theory goes against external evidence, I will look into that and then put forth your theory as well to judge which one is better.

        I did not say that we have perfect logic to understand everything. What I believe that any book claimed to be from God should pass the test of logic and external evidences. By logic here, I mean relative and not absolute. So even if one’s logic may not be perfect, even if it is better than you, you should accept that. This is what truth seeking is.

        I think you agree on this

      • Dear Brother


        you said
        when I ask, why did Allah create us, you told to get worshipped. Then I ask, is Allah perfect and free from all desires? You will say yes
        —————————

        God created mankind for worship. This is a relative statement. God gets nothing by being worshipped.Neither does he lose something when someone doesn’t worship him. The intention to grasp here is “The purpose of a mankind is to worship, which puts worship at utmost importance”

      • I said

        “Allah created the mankind and the jinn for none save his worship.”

        If you clearly understand that, It doesn’t infer that Allah is in need of worship.

      • “God gets nothing by being worshipped.Neither does he lose something when someone doesn’t worship him.”

        Then why does allah rewards the one who worships him with a place in jannah, and makes the one who does not worship him suffer by sending him to dozakh.

        “Allah created the mankind and the jinn for none save his worship.”

        If you clearly understand that, It doesn’t infer that Allah is in need of worship.

        The logic behind this is preposterous, something not comprehensible at all. Why does allah who does not need to be worshipped creates humanity with the sole motive of getting worshipped by it?


      • Then why does allah rewards the one who worships him with a place in jannah, and makes the one who does not worship him suffer by sending him to dozakh.
        ——————-

        Again, it is relative.Recognsing Allah in this world, serves as the best of the deeds in the world hereafter. This how people are distinguished in the life hereafter.

        All this will be meaningful only if you understand the Islamic theology in its wholeness rather than dividing it and interpreting and taking Quranic verses out of context.


        The logic behind this is preposterous, something not comprehensible at all. Why does allah who does not need to be worshipped creates humanity with the sole motive of getting worshipped by it?
        ———————————–

        Allah doesn’t need motives for doing things. He is the Creator. It is one of his innate qualities to create.
        It may seem meaningless to human beings because , human beings have a motives for doing things.
        Applying the same logic to the Divine entity is meaningless.

        Yes brother it is incomprehensible, afterall logic is just a theory to justify mundane realms.
        Almighty Allah is free from and far more beyond reach to the logic.

      • Brother mohammedzabiulla
        You could not understand the question I think. Let me put it this way-
        What would have been the problem if Allah would not create us, like he spent infinite time till now without creating, why did He suddenly change is very nature to remain alone? If you say that problem would have been with Allah, Allah becomes imperfect! And there cant be any other who would suffer from this problem because no one other than Allah existed before creation as per Islam!

        And do not talk of relativity, because it requires diversity, which was absent before creation, as only Absolute Allah existed that time!

      • Dear bro Vajra,

        you said
        If you say that problem would have been with Allah, Allah becomes imperfect!

        why do you presume before I say anything?

        Well, coming to your question,


        What would have been the problem if Allah would not create us, like he spent infinite time till now without creating, why did He suddenly change is very nature to remain alone?

        Brother, to understand this question you need a bit of lateral thinking.
        I will try to put my best to explain it to you.

        Time itself is an important part of creation. Allah the Almighty is the one who has created and owns the time as well. Many people out of ignorance try to associate Allah as a subject of time.This kind of thinking will lead to a lot of virtual paradoxes to surface.

        Main point to be considered here is even time is a creation of Allah and he is not a subject of time.

        So, whatever questions you put , inorder to judge Allah in context of time , are meaningless.


        And do not talk of relativity, because it requires diversity, which was absent before creation, as only Absolute Allah existed that time!

        yes brother you are absolutely corrrect. Relativity in the absence of diversity is invalid.

        But where you have mistaken is, the relativity I have mentioned is between Allah and his creation. Diversity is present in this context. The diversification appears between the creator and his creation, both being very diversified, infact distinct beings. So my relativity holds true.

      • “The diversification appears between the creator and his creation, both being very diversified, infact distinct beings. So my relativity holds true.”

        So, in your opinion the creator and the creation are different entities. So, how did the creator create his creations, out of what? There must have been something out of which the creation came into being, the creator merely playing the part of the maker in the creation of the created.

        And also, u missed the essence of the question put forth by Vajra. “And do not talk of relativity, because it requires diversity, which was absent before creation, as only Absolute Allah existed that time!” Before creation itself, how come u think the created existed?

    • Dear Ved Arya

      Keeping the Name as Ved doesn’t mean you have full knowledge of Vedas I do understand your love towards Vedic Religion and all its beliefs now if you follow vedic religion than I am sure you will surely follow its teaching and will surely abide by the truth.

      According to Vedas as below

      Please read it :

      PROPHET MUHAMMAD (peace be upon
      him) IN OTHER WORLD RELIGION
      SCRIPTURES
      1

      HINDU SCRIPTURE
      The scriptures of Hinduism known as Vedas, Shastras, Puranas, etc. are all in Sanskrit Language. It is universally accepted that Sanskrit had been one of the oldest language in the world. In this Sanskrit language, there is a scripture known as ‘BHAVISNYA PURANA”. This is supposed to have been written by the Sage, Maha Rishi Viyasar
      In its original script:-
      The translation read as follows
      ‘AMilechar (a foreigner) will appear as a teacher of a new religion, with the help of his friends. His name would be ‘Mahamat’. A king of this land will give great respect to his teaching; and praise him. Cleansing himself with Ganges water and Panjagouyom, he would say, ‘I wholeheartedly follow you’ He Mahamat would be devoid of all sins. Coming from dry (desert) land, he would be very holy. He will fight against evil forces. He will gather warriors, for this purpose. He will give protection even to enemies’.
      In this verse, the name ‘Muhammad’ is mentioned directly as ‘Mahamat’ at the beginning of the second sentences. Also in this there is very clear prophecy regarding Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. Please note that this verse specifically says ‘Milechar’ a foreigner – not an Indian – and his name would beMahamat.
      King of this land giving great respect to Mahamat’s teaching refers to a South Indian King by name of Cheraman, who had trade contact with Arabs and later become a Muslim at the time of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.
      Adarva Veda is a Sanskrit Scripture that was written even before ‘Bhavishya Purana’. It
      is known how many hundreds of years before the birth of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. was
      Adarva Veda written. In this Scripture in episode (Kandam) 20, Chapter (Sutra) 127
      verses (Mantra) 1, 2 and 3 reads as follow:-

      Translation “Oh Mankind, listen with a complete belief: A man, who will be of all praise,
      will be created amongst mankind. We shall provide him sanctuary against his sixty2
      thousand and ninety enemies. He and his friends will come in twenty camels; the dust stirred by these camels will be so much as to cover the horizon. He will give gold, horses and cows as gifts”.
      1) Man of praise refers to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. in fact the actual meaning of
      the Arabic word Muhammad means be praised.
      2) It is known exactly how many enemies prophet Muhammad s.a.w had at this time,
      but it is however established that there were thousands
      3) When he and later his companion made his Hijrah (emigration) from Makkah to Madinah, they went on camels. (No sage or saint or religious – teacher from Indian, traveled on camels; and so, this definitely cannot refer to anyone from India. It must refer to people who traditionally travel on camel! And they were Arabs)
      4) Whatever gold, horse and cattle that prophet Muhammad s.a.w received, he gave
      away as gift to the poor and needy.
      From these, it is very clear the verse in Adarva Veda prophesies the coming of Prophet
      Muhammad PBUH
      In another chapter of Adarva Veda – chapter 1, verse 10 – the translation reads as
      follow:-
      ‘Allah is complete. (The words Allah do appear in the original Sanskrit text). The whole universe belongs to Him.Mahamat (here again the word Mahamat do appear in the original text) who glorifies God’s existence is his Messenger. Oh God! Oh God! God who activated the universe is the Creator and Sustainer of the Earth. There is only one god, no one else.
      Behold the magnitude of the Formless God! God who revealed this Adarva Veda containing ‘On Kerim’, created Mankind, cattle and everything. Pray only the Formless one – God. Mahamat, who will destroy the evil with ‘On Reem’ prayer, is Allah’s Messenger. There is no other god except the Omnipresent God.’ (Allobanished 1:10)
      Also please note that the Adarva Veda – one of the Hindu Scripture –also attests, or
      confirm, that God is only ONE; and he is Formless.
      3
      In another of the four Vedas in Rig Veda – it is said; “Mahamat who is truthful, knowledgeable and powerful, will bless me. He is blessing for the whole world. He is glorified with ten thousand people” (in Al-Quran, prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is referred to as Rahamatun – lil – Aalamin “meaning “Blessing for the whole world’ –same phrase as appears in the above quotation).
      Also mentioned of the ten thousands refers to the exactly ten thousand sahabats (companions) of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who accompanied him when he marched into Makkah.
      Mahabarata – one of the older Hindu Scripture – written many centuries before the birth of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) –also prophesied the coming of the last prophet in the chapter ‘Kaliyuga Kandam’. It is written there: – “In the period of
      Kaliyuga (the last Yuga-celestial period) a person named Mahamat will be born. The
      clouds will provide shade for him. He will migrate from his place of birth. He will marry many wives. To him will descend a scripture with 30 parts. He will conquer his birth place with might of warriors. He will cleanse the place of worship. The world will attain peace through him”.
      Please note in the above passage that even the name ‘Mahamat’ has been clearly
      specified.
      The mention of a scripture with 30 parts – as everyone knows – refers to Al-Quran, which contains 30 chapters. When prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) was a small boy, he once accompanied his uncle on a business trip to Syria. A Christian Priest who had his monastery on the way to Syria, observed that clouds were following overhead the small boy, giving shade from the scorching sun of the barren desert. This is the incident foretold in the above passage inMahabar ata.
      Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) prime teaching was Oneness of God – and
      this is what is told in the above prophecy.
      4 In Sama Veda – on of the Vedas of Hindu religion – (sama Veda, ii: 6,
      ‘Ahmad acquired Shariah (religious law) from his lord. This Shariah is full of wisdom. I
      receive light from his just from the sun’
      Here again, the name of prophet to come has been specified as Ahmad (Muhammad)
      But some old commentators, because of ignorance of the Arabic word ‘Ahmad’, could not comprehend that name and so have mistakenly translated the word, by splitting the word ‘Ahmad’ into ‘Ahm at hi’ and gave wrong expectations.
      However other verses in the same Sama Veda affirm, that ‘Ahmad’ is none other than
      Muhammad, thus;
      ‘A man called ‘Mamma’ will attain victory with his ten thousand people’
      It is to be noted that in this verses, the name of the man (yet to come) has been
      specifically mentioned as ‘Mamma’ (does not this word sound similar to Muhammad?)
      And, attaining victory with this ten thousand people is none other Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) – if one knows the life – history of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
      The Bible too in Deuteronomy, describes this man, coming with ten thousands me as
      follows;
      ‘…………….he shone from Mount Paran he come with the ten thousands holy ones’
      (Deut 33.2)
      Mount Paran is nowhere else except in Arabian Peninsula. And this verse in the Bible too, tells about the ten thousands ‘holy one’ (companions of Prophet Muhammad) who accompanied the Prophet at the victory of Makkah.
      Co-relating this verse in the Bible and the verses in Sama Veda, it is clear that the one that shore from mount Paran and attain victory with ten thousand people is none other than Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

      Now what have you got to say.

  61. Incorrect it has been shown circumcision increase the tendency for violence and this is historical. In fact Circumcision the Hidden trauma 1997 by Dr. Goldman a circumcised man is 8-14 times more likely to murder, up to 25 times more likely to be rapist, 90% percent likely to get a divorce. This is do to frustration at loss of sensitive area, and the compensatory behavior pattern that people who are mutilated are sexually different then non-mutilated people like what the Germans use to say about Jews.. Further there are many studies that show the opposite that circumcision increases likely hood of infection ans sexually transmitted diseases and since there can be no double blind studies these are likely skew results. We can see what frustrated lives these circumcised people live that they turn to terrorism, etc..

    • This being a dirty topic, we did not want to comment on it. But yes, for uncivilized African and Saharan belt, where free sex is rampant and people do not maintain proper hygiene, circumcision helps reduce infection that occurs because people never clean their organs. This is like sterilization helping increase in incidence of dog bites. For people with animal tendencies, why circumcision, forced sterilization may be better option. But for civilized ones who can control their minds and can maintain hygiene, there is no reason for them to prove that God is foolish enough to give birth without circumcision.

      Anyways, point remains that since I live in an area where water is abundant and I keep my organs clean and do not engage in animal like sex, do I still need to circumcise to become a Muslim?

      • It is not a dirty topic but about barbaric practices of some culture and the obvious cultural differences of those societies that practice those barbaric beliefs. It is same same as if we stick something in someone head and scramble their brain and the obvious results to the person , or if cut off someone hand , or blind someone, or make them deaf, we take away a mans ability to get satisfaction the obvious result are there to see. Mutilation is mutilation it is dirty and has nothing to do with hygiene. The proponents of mutilation are religious fanatics and the facts speak it is the leading cause of all these things and the spread of such diseases like AIDS which started in America. As anyone can tell those being not circumcised provides protection and there is certain insect that can crawl right up it in bush and do such harm. Further you look of up the studies as there are many pro and cons and it is not established in science that there are any benefits to such mutilation but increase tendency to violence which war and slave based societies in the Middle East appreciated well. Again this is not establish science but propaganda in newspapers as how can two groups in two different cities be compared further where is the double blind study. Those funding such big money have hidden agenda to pursue. Remember most of Europe, Japan, Asa, India is not circumcised.

  62. sir i hear that in kerla n manglore kaafi saari jagaho ke naam muslim kar diy hai or wo bhi arabic main likh diye gayei hain jaha jaha muslim majority main hain.. south main.. is it..??? muslim republic bana diya hain.. whats that,,?

    • are yeh muslims hai hi aise bhai……when they will be majority in india……they will put urdu and arabic on notes……on stamps….on every road……and will ask mosques to be part of govt……and even burqha compulsory…….beard compulsory……and last but not the lease……shariah laws….

      • Brother Azim,

        you don’t have to agree , just look around you.

        It’s only a country like ours that still has roads and buildings named after the cruel muslim emperors like aurangzeb etc. who killed millions of indians just because they didn’t follow his intolerant religion

        also, the language of the courts ,apart from english, even today is urdu

        Urdu is a beautiful language by the way..it had many sanskrit and persian words earlier ( refer rekhta ) ..but with time muslims have ensured that all sanskrit be replaced with arabic words

        ironically , that is the very reason for urdu’s decline 🙁

      • Indian Agnostic,

        Thanks for the opinion but I would like to clear that according to you Roads and Buildings have names according to cruel Muslim Rulers. Than please clearify what about the great Saint Mahatama Gandhi Road ( MG ROAD ) in many parts of India. Raja Ram Mohan Roy Road, Rabindra Nath Tagore Road, Sardar Wallabh Bahi Patel Road, Rajesh Pilot Road, etc etc. what about them. Do you have any opinion were they CRUEL . and there are roads which are also named in honour of chief justice of India, was Leo Tolstoy or Rabindra nath tagore Cruel.

        Please talk like educated person

        I know very well and so do you all that it is a name given in honour

      • @Love

        it’s you, i believe , who needs education on comprehension

        Did i ever say that all roads are built on the names of Muslim rulers of the past? No!

        what i said was that its a shame to HONOR those Muslim rulers who had tortured us, looted us, levied jizya and zar-zimmia on us and destroyed our architectural marvels by naming our roads after them in free india

      • Dear Have you ever studied history …. when you are in primary classes than you learn that Aurangzeb was the cruel king. But for your kind information Please note that when you prepare for the IAS Exams than you are taught that Aurangzed was the best king we ever had and he was the one to give big India . Please see the map at the Aurangzeb time and than tally ….

        For your kind information Aurangzeb never used his kingdom’s money on himself but he wrote Quran and what ever was earned for it , he used that for his living…..

        So please tell this to the indian history who prepare for the IAS Exam that they should write Aurangzeb was the worst king India ever had and I am sure they will get zero in that answer……

        Aurangzeb was the one to distroy many grave where muslims used to go …. so he was a just king….

        Please update your knowledge or tell historians to ammend that Aurangzeb was the best king in IAS history lessons.

      • @Love

        I have read the history ..not copied it from AMU site or IRF

        here.. see what the babaric invaders did to US Indians..including Aurangzeb
        http://kalkiagnostic.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/peaceful-islamic-and-mughal-invasion-of-india/

        and this is how the Arab desert marauders force converted us
        http://Satyagni.com/2086/how-islam-conquered-india/

        and yes you are RIGHT ..Aurangzeb followed the quran literally ..and hence he caused so much havoc on us Indians

        why do you think i oppose the quran ..exactly because of the holocaust it brought to India

        I have read OUR history ..it’s time you do too

        regards

      • Hear Zakir Naike clame Muhaamad (PUBH) In vedha and All the Muslim Scolhar Claim is Same
        Show bhavishyapuran.blaogspot.com/

      • @Love

        and also you are not aware that no where in our books from class 3 to IAS prep says that aurangzeb was cruel.

        and it’s thanks to none other than Jawahar lal Nehru(discovery of India) and romila thapars and DN JHAs (commies)

        show me a single NCERT book that shows Aurangzeb in bad light ..yes i have learned that the congress changed some text to state that Bhagat Singh was a terrorist!

        so spare me your sparse knowledge bytes and answer a simple question what was Jawahar lal nehrus grand fathers real name ?

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