No Beef in Vedas – 2

congrats bro totagoto. and agniveer ji is right, onion is not a satvic food. it really effect the mind, its excite the senses.
All the best

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१३. सब्जी खाने वाले प्राणी चाहे मनुष्य हों अथवा पशु, पक्षी, भूख से तड़फ कर भले ही मर जायें किन्तु अपने बच्चों की ओर कभी भी बुरी दृष्टि से नहीं देखते । सांप के समान मांसाहारी मनुष्य आदि दुर्भिक्ष में ऐसा कर्ते देख गये हैं कि वे भूख में अपने बच्चे को भून कर खा गये ।
१४. बिल्ली बिलाव से छिपकर बच्चे देती है और इन्हें छिपाकर रखती है । यदि बिलाव को बिल्ली के नर बच्चे मिल जायें तो उन्हें मार डालता है । मादा (स्त्री) बच्चों को छोड़ देता है, कुछ नहीं कहता । इसी प्रकार पक्षियों में तीतरी भी छिपकर अण्डे देती है । यदि नर तीतर अण्डों पर पहुंच जाये तो वह नर बच्चों के अण्डे तोड़ डालता है, मादा अंडों को रहने देता है । बिच्छू के बच्चे माता के ऊपर चढ़ जाते हैं । माता को खा कर बच्चे पल जाते हैं, माता मर जाती है ।
४. शाकाहारी प्राणियों में न माता बच्चों को खाती है, न पिता बच्चों को मारता है । न बच्चे माता-पिता को मार कर खाते हैं ।
१५. मांसाहारी जीवों के घाव देरी से अच्छे होते हैं और ये अन्न वा शाक खाने वाले प्राणियों की अपेक्षा बहुत अधिक संख्या में घाव के कारण मरते हैं । १५. निरामिषभोजी शाकाहारी जीवों के घाव बहुत शीघ्र अच्छे हो जाते हैं और मांसाहारियों की अपेक्षा कम मरते हैं ।
१६. पक्वाशय (मेदा) बहुत सरल (सादा) जो बहुत तेज भोजन को बड़ा शीघ्र पचाने के योग्य होता है । जिगर अपने शरीर के अनुपात से बहुत बड़ा और इसमें पित्त बहुत अधिक होता है । मुंह में थूक की थैलियां बहुत छोटी, स्वच्छ जिह्वा, बच्चे को दूध पिलाने के स्तन पेट में । ये आगे की ओर तथा सब ओर देखते हैं १६. पक्वाशय (मेदा) चारा खाने वाला, जिसमें बहुत हल्की खुराक को धीरे धीरे पचाने के गुण हैं । जिगर अपने शरीर की अपेक्षा बहुत छोटा होता है । जिह्वा स्वच्छ, बच्चे को दूध पिलाने के स्तन छाती पर और प्राअणी साधारणतया आगे को देखते हैं और बिना गर्दन मोड़े इधर-उधर नहीं देख सकते ।
१७. मांसाहारी पशु पक्षिओं को नमक की तनिक भी आवश्यकता नहीं होती । इन्हें बिना नमक के कोई कष्ट नहीं होता । १७. शाकाहारी प्राणी और मनुष्य सामान्य रूप से नमक खाये बिना जीवित नहीं रह सकते वा जीवन में कठिनाई अनुभव करते हैं ।
Source http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/meat/

@falsehood seeker, i have read your comment in one of any agni’s article that you were asking to Mr. agni “I am searching that if meat is not meant for human consumption then how could he eat and digest it ie why eswra not made us only veg eater”. have you got the answer?
you have compared very well but forgot to mention that we are not animal but we are HUMAN. all aryasamajis fail to understand that we are human, you peoples either want to prove that meat eater are carnivorous animal who eat less- sleep more, have short intestine etc etc or we are herbivoros animal who eat all the time grazing-grazing whole day, cant see at night, cant use his brain, totally helpless creature?
you must understand that we are human, we neither eat raw flesh nor we can eat raw rice, wheat, soya, rajma or especially GRASSES. we have to cook food and our body is only suitable for cooked food. we are human so we are continuously developing, our nature demands social saystem and society and for society there must be different business and industries. so we have to eat cooked food to maintain our social system. As we can eat cooked meat we can also eat cooked rice and WE CAN NEVER EAT GRASS LIKE COW——–because we cant digest cellulose if we try to eat we will not get nourishment and we will die after some days.
So never directly compare with animals always consider yourself as human.
society also demands that we should not eat fellow human or our own children. I have never heard that any non-vegan has ever eaten his own child. exceptions may be there but it is not from the “rarest of rare” either. almost 80-90% human of this earth eat meat can you tell me how many cases you have heard regarding human ‘eating his own baby because of hunger’?

पारसी लोग अपने शवों को गीधों के खाने के लिए छोड़ देते हैं | आपके अनुसार तो शवों को खा लेने में कोई हर्ज़ नहीं होना चाहिये | वैसे भी आघोरी मरघटों में मुदों का मॉस भक्षण करते हैं | मांसाहार एक तरह की हिंसा ही है और मांसभक्षी हिंसक कहलाता है | आपके दांत हिंसक पशुओं की तरह नहीं है | हर तरह का पापाचार हिंसा में आ जाता है | जब हमारा निर्वाह सब्जी, फल, अनाज और दूध आदि से हो जाता है तो हिंसा आवश्यक नहीं है | मुसलमान भी कलमा पढ़ परमात्मा से माफ़ी मांग हुये निरीह प्राणियों की हिंसा करते हैं | अरबी रेगिस्तानों में सब्जी, फल और अनाज की कमी के रहते वहां जन्मे मतों में मांस खाना एक प्रथा बन गया है और इंसानों को काटने – हत्या करने में भी उनको गुरेज़ नहीं होता | मुर्दे को दफ़न करना भी मध्य – पूर्व का रिवाज है, क्यूंकि दिन कि प्रबल गर्मी और रात कि तीव्र सर्दी मुदों को स्तर्लायिज़ अर्थात कीटाणु – रहित कर शुद्ध कर देती है | मरुस्थलों के बाहरी देशों में शवों में कीड़े पड़ जाते हैं और बीमारियाँ फैलती हैं | इतना ही नहीं, बीमारियों के कीटाणु जमीनी पानी में चले जाते हैं और वहां का पानी भी पीने लायक नहीं रहता | शव के धाह संस्कार से शव के साथ – साथ शारीर में पनपे कीटाणु भी आग में भस्म हो जाते हैं |
पहले इस्सायी देशों में शव का दाह संस्कार किया जाता था और इतिहास बताता है कि कुछ मुसलमानों का भी दाह संस्कार किया गया | वैसे भारत के पूर्व – उपप्रधान हिदाय्यत उल्लाह की हिदायत के अनुसार उनका भी दाह – संस्कार किया गया था | इस मृत्युलोक – अनित्य संसार में कुछ भी नित्य और तटस्थ नहीं है इस लिये जन्म – मरण का सिलसला तो चलता ही रहता है | मध्य – पूर्व के सिमैटिक मतों में मिथ्या प्रचार कर दिया गया कि परमात्मा क़यामत के दिन पुण्य आत्माओं अर्थात अच्छे लोगो को फिर जीवित कर देगा जबकि मृत्यु का दिन ही क़यामत का दिन होता है | ईश्वर से जुड़ना योग है और उसका पहला नियम ही अहिंसा है | अगर आप तर्क छोड़ कुतर्क करते रहेंगे तो आप कुछ भी प्राप्त नहीं कर पायोगे |

@darshan, afsos h ki logic aur science ki baat karne wale aryasamaji moolshabkar ki kitab satyarthprakash par andha vishwas karte hn?
Maine kb insaano k khane ki baat ki? Tum lig aise ho ki ya to shaadi mat karo ya phir apni maan beti se bhi karo. tum log eik extreme par rehna chahte ho.
satyarthprksh mein agar likha h ki murdon k dafnane se paani pine layaq nahi rehta to tm maan jaoge? Har shehar mein qabrustan h to batao kus city ka water peene layaq nahi? Har Muslim country mein qabrustan hn kiya suna ki paani kharab ho gaya?????
Kiya cow, goat waghera agar mar jaye to unhe bhi jalate ho? Ya paani kharab ho gaya h? Aadmi paani k level par to jakar nahi dafnata.
tumhein konsa pathogen check karna h mujhe batao mein procedure bataunga. qabrustan wale shehar se ground water lo aur kisi bhi laboratory mein bhejdo result aajayega.
ab koi aryasamaj tumhari baat ghalat nahi kahega, na hi tumhein ghalat tark dene aur satyapraksh par andhvishwas karne par tokega!

@anti-agn
Brother, these grass eater Hindu do not know test of meat. So, it is useless to make them understand test of meat.

All these are ( oot patang kee baaten hai) Don’t be against any religion Search the truth God is one and we should follow the instruction of which are available in the religious books. Vedas are vast knowledge for all human being not specially for INDIANS. As per your attitude Vedas are only for those who belong to India (ARYVERAT) . Hindu is not any religion only Ary samaj is original religion of India (Aryverat)

अगर स्वामी शंकराचार्य सारे भारत में सनातन धर्म कि क्रांति ल सकता है तो फिर कोई वैदिक सनातन धर्मं का प्रचार क्यूँ केरल, बंगाल, असाम और अन्य प्रान्तों में कर सकता है

Bro look at yourself and other meat eaters of this earth and you will get your answer, look at your teeth structure,, however those who talks science while defending meat eating , for them —- why you dont support eating of humans scientifically ?? Now if you try to search ethics books to answer that , you can find reason for not killing others

som,bhai jis gadhe ne comment kiya hai,ussey oocho what is use of beleiving in same false book of nomads of arab and then bombing school of innocent children

True bro,but really there is nothing we can do I guess.Sri Krishna promised tat whenever there is an increase in irreligious practices or non righteous practices,he will come again.
I guess we have to wait for him.

Namaste MIVCIT
It looks nice for that at least your name’s abbreviation resembles the name of some private Engg. college situated in the outskirts of Delhi and Mumbai 🙂
But unfortunately your arguments do not rise up from Madarsa level 🙁 Though I appreciate your concerns for Hindu sentiments, I cant stop myself from asking a question on your below line
———i also request to all hindus that plaese make cow dairies in every city so that we can have pure milk otherwise we are getting milk prepared from urea.——–
When you agree that scarcity of milk is because of decreasing no of cows, how wise it was on Allah’s/prophet’s part to allow such useful animals like cows, buffaloes, and camels to be slaughtered and consumed?

Cow milk is next to human milk for the survival of a child. Its fat granules are smaller and do not import bad cholestrol and suitable for human consumption for all ages. Cow’s ghee never solidifies like buffalo ghee, vegetable ghee & coconut oil. Just shake the milk of cow the creamy layer (Malai) dissolve in the milk.

Namaste MIVCIT,
Please don’t give an impression that many Hindus in many of the states of India consume beef.
How many Biharis have you come across consuming beef? Though there may be exceptions, they will definitely Christians with Hindu names. Moreover, Nagaland has above 90% Christians with less than 5% Hindus (total population is less than a million!). So, a minisculy small number of Hindus consume beef in these two states. Slightly more Hindus consume beef in Bengal. Only states of Kerala and Kashmir (to the best of my knowledge) can be considered to have a sligjtly higher percentage who consume beef. So, correct your information.

@satyen, your name is satya and you should use stya information…you should visit kerala, karnataka, WB, and bihar once and then let us know that what is reality. as far as my knowledge is concerned most of the hindus of those states are non-vegetarian. for your kind information I have visited karnataka, bihar, kerala, tamil nadu and I have many friends from WB.
you check yourself instead hollow claiming here.

@anti-agni
Brother, we should not engage in other things like trashing Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism etc.. Our first priority should be to destroy Islam. Islam is totally false. If you do not know this, I will prove you this.

Thanks Vajra Bhai. Joy Dharma

Vajraji another question.
Can i know the meaning of Rig Veda 8.43.11?

Respected Vajra!
I have read all the articles in agniveer and i foud out that you are actively participating in the comment section.I have a doubt and I hope you will be able to clarify it.
Agniveerji Said
“The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna. Dedicated efforts for training and productivity of people is also Naramedha Yajna or Purushmedha Yajna or Nriyajna.”
Does this mean the last rites done to a man is Narameda.ie.The 13 day long rites which include charity to Brahmins , food to poor…In that case Narameda is still practised?
please reply
Thanks

Panditji,
Excellent explanation.

One more typo: (AVŚ_20,130.15) vaśāyāḥ putram ā yanti || has been given as Atharvaveda 20.103.15, correct it.

Swami Vivekananda’s thoughts on Flesh-food and Mahatma Gandhi’s comments:
[Once a gentleman, after reading Swami Vivekananda’s thoughts supporting meat-eating, referred his dilemma to Mahatma Gandhi. Gandhiji offered his valuable guidance on this issue which was published in the 7-10-1926 issue of “Young India”. Same is reproduced below for the knowledge of our readers. It is interesting to note that here Mahatma Gandhi remembered Adi Shankaracharya and Maharshi Dayananda as the greatest Hindu reformers who were vegetarians. – Bhavesh Merja]
Quote:
A correspondent is born in a meat-eating family. He has successfully resisted the pressure from his parents to return to the flesh-pot. But, he says, in a book I have before me: I read the opinion of Swami Vivekananda on the subject and feel a good deal shaken in my belief. The Swami holds that for Indians in their present state flesh-diet is a necessity and he advises his friends to eat flesh freely. He even goes so far as to say –“If you incur any sin thereby throw it upon me; I will bear it.” I am now in a fix whether to eat flesh or not.
This blind worship of authority is a sign of weakness of mind. If the correspondent has such a deep-seated conviction that flesh-eating is not right, why should he be moved by the opinion to the contrary of the whole world? One needs to be slow to form convictions, but once formed they must be defended against the heaviest odds. As for the opinion of the great Swami, I have not seen the actual writing but I fear the correspondent has correctly quoted him. My opinion is well known. I do not regard flesh-food as necessary for us at any stage and under any clime in which it is possible for human beings ordinarily to live. I hold flesh-food to be unsuited to our species. We err in copying the lower animal world if we are superior to it. Experience teaches that animal food is unsuited to those who would curb their passions. But it is wrong to over-estimate the importance of food in the formation of character or in subjugating the flesh. Diet is a powerful factor not to be neglected. But to sum up all religion in terms of diet, as is often done in India, is as wrong as it is to disregard all restraint in regard to diet and to give full reins to one’s appetite. Vegetarianism is one of the priceless gifts of Hinduism. It may not be lightly given up. It is necessary therefore to correct the error that vegetarianism has made us weak in mind or body or passive or inert in action. The greatest Hindu reformers have been the activest in their generation and they have invariably been vegetarians. Who could show greater activity than, say, Sankara or Dayanand in their times? But my correspondent must not accept me as his authority. The choice of one’s diet is not a thing to be based on faith. It is a matter for everyone to reason out for himself. There has grown up especially in the West an amount of literature on vegetarianism which any seeker after truth may study with profit. Many eminent medical men have contributed to this literature. Here, in India, we have not needed any encouragement for vegetarianism. For it has been hitherto accepted as the most desirable and the most respectable thing. Those, however, who like the correspondent feel shaken, may study the growing movement towards vegetarianism in the West.

Ok, Thanks for the detailed reply.
Vedas reccomend Cow slaughter or not may be debatable, But ancient texts like charakasamhita &
Sushruta Samhita mention about meat consumption & cattle meat also. Someplaces its reccomended for body.
I understand that Milking Cow is a very good economic & nutritional blessing for a Family + it has religious & ethical basis also, But what about Male bulls & oxes. Traditional Farming is not done now & Male Cattle will only lead to overgrazing. Same is the case with barren cows who cannot give milk, what is their usage for ?
World is overpopulated & India is too much overpopulated. Increase in numbers of cattle like Male Ox/ Bulls & Barren Cows will lead to overgrazing & make land desert.
Making Cow Holy & treating it as 4 legged Humans may create problems. Although Vaishnavas are very passionate about cows but nobody mentions about Bulls. Is Bull less Holy ?
Also I am in US for few months & cow here looks very different from India (its Kind of Bison).
So is it also Holy ?
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So my Queries are
1. Whats the solution due to overgrazing of non milk cattle ? If someone eats Meat & if you consider it sin, is it a same sin to eat a Goat & an Ox/ Bull?
2. Indian Breed of Cow is very different from Western Breed. Are both equally important from Religious point of view ?
3. Is it ok to let people starve to death but keep unusable cattle grazing freely.
if my friend from ISKCON sees this post he will kill me. Ha Ha
But I had this questions in mind so I asked freely.
Help Agniveer

Very good questions bro. I look forward to the answers as well.

Q 1. ‘Whats the solution due to overgrazing of non milk cattle ?’ Quewstion is not clear. If it is about old and infirm cattles then they too have right to live. Neel gayen can be sterilized to check their population and harm caused to crops. It a same sin to eat a Goat, an Ox/ Bull?
Eating Meat of any type or involvement of any type in process of meat eating is also a sin.
2. Whether Indian or Western Breed of Cow both are equally important from Religious point of view ?
3. It is it okay to let people starve to death? This is a sin perpetuated by our pseudo-democratic capitalist system and self-serving politicians. Grazing by stray cattle must be checked. Forsaken elders also die of starvation on roads as well as at home due to negligence by own near and dear ones.
if my friend from ISKCON sees this post he will kill me. Ha Ha
Don’t laugh without reason since by doing so you are mocking at yourself only – there have been massacres of innocent, week, unorganised and unprotected people by invaders and by so called self-styled jihadees throughout history and it continues even today.
But I had this questions in mind so I asked freely.
Help Agniveer

@ Samrat bro almost everything has been clarified by Darshan bro.
Also Vedas are the only supreme authority for us, so we need to deny if something does not match to any sacred text.Vedas are only authentic and govern us.
Please let the discovery of your soul begin and you will realise that these are not our natural food. I am also a Bengali like you but I can bet that our fooding habit has been governed by the invaders.Hindus have a great tendency to be flexible with their religion
Remember that even Ramkrishna Paramhans was a Kali worshipper like you but even in his ashram it was not allowed.
Ending my post by quoting Swami Vivekananda,” Arise, Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.”

If God is beyond imagination. Even thinking that God is beyond imagination will not help understand God. So what matters is not how you define God. What matters is the deeds you do to purify your mind so as to experience God. Fools argue over characteristics of God. Wise live God through noble actions and pure heart that embraces entire world with compassion. Eventually God rewards the wise with more wisdom to experience Him even deeply. So let us rise above personal beliefs and experience unity of heart.

Do you suggest any measures that could be taken at any level to make old cows, bulls economically viable for poor farmers and villagers?
That could really check slaughter in a big way.

Yes. There is one suggestion.
If we can have a biogas plant in every city, there will not be any stray old cow or bull or any other dairy animal on the road.
All the old cows, bulls and other stray dairy animals should be raised there and their dung can be used for manure and biogas plant. I watched Satyamev Jayate episode – do not waste your garbage ( especially work done by Srinivasan Chandrashekharan, Project Director, Indian Green Service) who is doing garbage management with the help of these animals, cleaning environment and also earning millions of rupees in this process. I think lot of people are also interested to do the same. They need guidance and little help. Pl check http://www.indiagreenservice.com
http://www.satyamevjayate.in/Dont-Waste-Your-Garbage/EPISODE-3watchvideo.aspx?uid=E3-EV-V5&lang=hi
Thanks.

“Vedas are clear – cow-killing is a foolishness and crime committed against nature. Further, the majority of current era Hindus are thankfully not stupid enough to kill cows. They are wise enough to worship cow. They should be even more wise to protect and take care of cows of all ages. Hence any pseudo-intellectual argument in favor of beef is stupid and must be ruthlessly thrashed.”
Just changed a few words in your statement, see what I got…
“QURAN IS clear – DEFYING ALLAH is a foolishness and crime committed against nature. Further, the majority of current era MUSLIMS are thankfully not stupid enough to DEFY QURAN. They are wise enough to worship ALLAH. They should be even more wise to protect and take care of QURAN. Hence any pseudo-intellectual argument in favor of DEFYING QURAN is stupid and must be ruthlessly thrashed.”
Sounds familiar? Reminds of muslim extremist right?
Either you or ANYBODY else is not THEKEDAR of Hinduism. Hinduism is plural in nature, with many paths flowing towards God. That being said, even Vedas do not encompass Hinduism completely. The moment you are defining any single textbook as the foundation of Hinduism, it becomes no different than Abrahamic religions.

1. Now you moved from Sanskrit to a new argument that has already been thrashed by us in more than 150 pages of content.
2. You are also not thekedar of Hinduism. But we are owners of this site. We have full freedom to speak whatever we desire to on our site. We do not infiltrate in your home like you are doing. Additionally, a disclaimer clearly spells out the purpose of site, who is invited and who is not. Despite that if you still insist to encroach on our site and troll, that shows your extremist mindset. One who claims to be intellectual (like you) must first read the disclaimer, and then follow norms of the site.
Any future comment will be deleted.