In this article, we shall briefly discuss the origin of Vedas. With this article, we begin a series to understand the Vedic framework – origin, definition, content, concepts etc. The series would be based on works of our great scholars from dawn of civilization to recent times. All conclusions shall be made after thorough analysis. We may skip certain details for sake of readability. The articles largely follow the structure laid in Introduction to Vedas (Rigvedadibhashyabhumika) by Swami Dayanand Saraswati and readers are advised to read this book for further details.

The only promise that can be made about this series is that one who carefully reads this, shall never ever face any depression or helplessness in life, shall be in a position to live life more blissfully and meaningfully, and contribute utmost for defense of truth and Dharma.

Origin of Vedas

Note: This chapter assumes reader to be a theist. Atheism has been rejected in previous article and we shall do a more comprehensive rejection later.

Yajurved 31.7 clearly states that Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda and Atharvaveda were originated from Him – the ultimate Ishwar who is omnipresent.

Atharvaveda 10.7.20 reiterates the same essence beautifully. It says that Rik, Yajuh, Sama and Atharva originated from the ultimate Ishwar. It asks “Which deva (provider ofbliss/knowledge) gave the Vedas?” And answers that the One who is controlling and maintaining the entire universe is the creator of Vedas. Atharva is like the mouth of that Ishwar, Samaveda is like the hair on the skin, Yajurveda is akin to the heart and Rigveda is the Prana or source.

Shatpath Brahman states that Ishwar, who is present even beyond the Akash/Sky created the Vedas. The way breath goes out of body and then comes in, during inception of creation, Ishwar creates the Vedas and illuminates the world, and in the phase of dissolution (Pralay), Vedas no more remain in world. However just as a sapling remains inside the seed, Vedas still remain in knowledge of Ishwar, unchanged.

Shankaracharya writes in commentary on Geeta 3.15 that Vedas are actually never created or destroyed. They merely get illuminated and de-illuminated but remain in Ishwar.

Rigveda 10.190.3 states that the creation remains same in all cycles and hence even the constitution of the creation – the Vedas – also remain exactly the same.

Doubt: When Ishwar is shapeless, how did He create the Vedas?

Ishwar does not need physical organs like humans to perform His tasks. Such limitations do not exist in case of Ishwar. Vedas describe Ishwar as possessor of infinite limbs and mouths. It implies that Ishwar can perform all His functions without recourse to physical organs or support of anyone else. When Ishwar can create such a magnificent world, why should one doubt His capability to create Vedas!

Shwatashwataropanishad 3.19 states that he holds everyone even though He has no hands and legs!

Doubt: No soul can create the world, but they can definitely create books of grammar and other fields of knowledge. Why then is Ishwar necessary to create the Vedas?

The knowledge possessed by humans is dependent. It needs training and dissemination of knowledge to further research and discover new knowledge. If you keep a person isolated in jungle since birth, he or she would be unable to learn the ways of humans even a bit. Even today we find many tribes in jungles who live like animals. Similarly knowledge is necessary at inception for humans to possess the capability to discover new knowledge or create books.

Doubt: Ishwar has gifted humans with basic knowledge or natural instincts. This is superior to all texts because only through this we understand anything. So with progress of this knowledge, why should people not be able to design Vedas. Why should then we consider Vedas to be originated from Ishwar?

1. Was natural instinct not available with junglee tribes and child born and brought up in isolation? Why could not they turn scholars? Why chimpanzees fail to evolve and learn over centuries. Why insects continue to commit suicide in light and not learn from it?

2. Even language originates from Vedas. In absence of belief in Vedas, origin of language also remains a mystery for modern superstitious scientists!

3. Even we learn because we go to schools or receive lessons from our mentors. How could then people during early ages learn so much as to draft Vedas that contain such a huge number of mantras, in a language that is more encompassing than any later language, covers such a wide number of topics, contains such fine thoughts that surpass any text of later era, and is preserved in such a manner through Paatha and Maatra method that change of even a single syllable is not possible!

4. What is claimed to be basic knowledge is merely sufficient to allow us to learn more complex knowledge and  not create new knowledge out of nothingness. Just as eye is capable to see only when linked with mind and mind can function only when linked with soul, similarly basic knowledge or natural instinct is capable only to lead us to higher sources of knowledge and not to discover knowledge of Dharma, Artha, Karma and Moksha (Duties, Purpose, Desire and Salvation).

5. That is why initial knowledge from Ishwar is necessary to kickstart the process of knowledge assimilation. Yogadarshan 1.26 states that He is the teacher of the oldest teachers and is unhindered by time. Kumarilbhatta writes in his treatise on Meemansa that Vedas are Apaurusheya (not created by humans) because no one knows their creators. Sankhya 5.6 states the same. Sayana also reiterates the same opinion.

Doubt: What was the purpose of Ishwar in creating the Vedas?

1. Let me counter-question: What was the purpose of Ishwar in not creating the Vedas?

2.  Ishwar has infinite knowledge and He is benevolent. Now knowledge is the most valuable attribute to possess. So unless Ishwar illuminates us with His knowledge, He does not remain benevolent. Ishwar justifies his attributes only by illuminating us with His knowledge – the knowledge of Vedas.

3. Ishwar is like our parents. He loves us and wants us to be blissful. Thus He has gifted us with knowledge of Vedas so that we can use this knowledge to maximize our bliss. Had Ishwar not blessed us with this knowledge, purpose of creation would have defeated. Everything else in the world makes sense only when we possess the knowledge to utilize them for our ultimate objective of maximizing bliss.

4. Knowledge is more bliss-producing than all the wonders of creation. And when Ishwar has gifted us with such wonderful gifts of creation, why would He keep Vedas to Himself and defeat His very purpose of creation, as well as His core attribute of benevolence.

And such is this knowledge, unlike Bible, Quran and Purans, that WD Brown wrote in “Superiority of Vedic Religion” that ” Vedic religion is thoroughly scientific where science and religion meet hand in hand . Here theology is based on science and philosophy.”

In “The Bible in India” by L Jacoliot, it is stated that ” Veda, of all revelations, is the only one whose ideas are in perfect harmony with modern science.” Huge number of other scientists who scratched the surface of Vedas share such views.

Doubt: How did Ishwar arrange for pen, ink and paper to write Vedas in inception of creation?

1. This is a most stupid doubt. As discussed earlier, when Ishwar can create universe without any additional tools, why  should He be unable to create Vedas?

2. Ishwar did not illuminate Vedas by publishing them in beginning of civilization. He illuminated the minds of noble Rishis – Agni, Vayu, Aditya and Angira during inception of civilization. Shatpath Brahman elaborates this. These Rishis in their state of meditation receive the knowledge of Vedas and they adopt it in same manner as a toy moves when its button is pressed – in exactly the manner it is supposed to move!

Doubt: Agni, Vayu, Aditya appear to be name of inanimate objects Fire, Air and Sun.

This doubt is again baseless. Knowledge cannot be acquired by inert matter. If someone says, Court has issued summon, it does not mean the building of court has issued summon. It means that the people working in court have issued the summon. Similarly, knowledge can be acquired only by humans.

Doubt: Ishwar may have given them knowledge and they then created Vedas with this knowledge

Yet another baseless doubt. When knowledge is sourced from Ishwar, then Vedas created by Rishis are also sourced from Ishwar. Why would Rishis add their own masala for distortion when they have the knowledge of Ishwar in pure form?

Doubt: If Ishwar is Just, why did He not illuminate everyone’s mind with Vedas and chose only four among them? Hence Ishwar is biased.
The choice of only four Rishis confirms that Ishwar is just. Because justice implies meritocracy – rewarding one as per his or her deeds. So Ishwar chose the most meritorious among them for dissemination and further propagation of Vedas as per their past deeds. Rigveda 10.71.7 states that though all possess eyes and ears but intellect differs among humans.

Doubt: But we are talking of inception of creation. How can we talk of past deeds then?

Creation and Dissolution is a continuous cycle without beginning or end. During beginning of creation, souls take birth as per their deeds in previous creation. Never is the account of past deeds, completely vacant in this process.

Doubt: Why is Ishwar anti-women? Why did He not choose women for dissemination of Vedas?

Soul has no gender. Ishwar gave Rishis the body of men during inception of civilization because a male is more suited for propagation of knowledge among rest of the people who are thriving only through their natural instincts. A male is more suited to tame such uncivilized people. However in later phase, many women also became Rishis who discovered new meanings of these Vedic mantras.

Doubt: Are Chhandas like Gayatri also created by Ishwar?

Yes, when Ishwar has infinite capabilities, why doubt this one?

Doubt: Brahma created Vedas from his four mouths and Ved Vyas later compiled them in written form and divided in four parts- we hear this in history.

This theory has no basis. No authoritative text mentions this. This theory is propounded in Purans which are much later dated and full of blatant discrepancies. Some people believe Purans to be perfect and derived from Ishwar. But this claim is only as true as the claim of Quran and Bible hailing from Ishwar.

The fact is that Brahma learned the four Vedas from these Rishis. Brahma was a person with one head, two hands and two legs and not the caricature as represented in false Purans. Ved Vyas was commentator of Yoga Darshan and writer of Mahabharat. Nowhere except in Purans we find the theory of Ved Vyas being writer of four Vedas. And if these Purans have to be believed, we shall also have to believe in false stories of Jesus, Muhammad, Victoria etc, condemnation of women, denigration of our role models like Ram and Krishna and other foolishness that we accuse Bible and Quran to also contain. Further there is no foolproof mechanism to claim that the books we call Purans today are authentic. This prerogative or litmus test of authenticity is passed only by Vedas.

If Vedas were one in inception and later divided into four parts by Veda Vyas, then no text prior to Veda Vyas should refer to Vedas in plural. Also names of four Vedas should not be present. But if we look at actual references, this does not hold true and hence Vedas have been four from inception.

To cite references, please see the following for usage of Vedas in plural or name of more than one Vedas:

Atharva 4.36.6, Atharva 19.9.12, Rig 10.90.9, Yajur 31.7, Atharva 16.6.13, Yajur 34.5, Atharva 10.7.20, Yajur 18.29, Yajur 36.1, Yajur 12.4, Shatpath, Taittriya Samhita, Maitrayani Samhita 16.8, Shankhayan Grihya Sutra 1.22.15, Yajur 10.67, Atharva 11.7.14, Atharva 15.6.7-8, Atharva 12.1.38, Atharva 11.7.24, Rig 4.58.3, Yajur 17.61, Gopath Brahman 1.13, Shatpath, Brihad Upanishad 3.4.10, Aitareya Brahman 25.7, Gopath 3.1 etc.

Such references also come in Upanishads, Manu Smriti, Mahabharat, Sarvanukramani, Ramayan and many other texts.

In fact, the fact that Mahabharat is said to be fifth Veda by many Pundits implies that Vedas were originally four. Also Ayurveda, Dhanurveda, Gandharvaveda and Arthaveda are called Upaveda. This also implies that Vedas are four in number.

Doubt: In Veda Samhitas, we find names of Rishis before each Sukta or Chapter. They must have written those verses

1. These are names of Rishis who researched on particular verses of Vedas. Many verses have large number of Rishis.

2. Brahma was born long before Vyas, Madhuchhanda and other Rishis. When Brahma studied Vedas from original four Rishis, as explained even in Manu Smriti, there is no doubt that Vedas existed long before these Rishis.

We shall scrutinize this false allegation in greater depth in a subsequent post.

Doubt: Why we find two names to denote knowledge of Ishwar – Veda and Shruti?

Veda is derived from Vid root. Vid means knowledge as in Vidya, or existing as in Vidyamaan, or benefit or thought. Shruti is derived from “Shru” root meaning “to listen”. Since by studying them we get knowledge, understand truth, derive benefits and can become thinkers, they are called Vedas. And since we have been listening to this knowledge from inception of civilization and none ever saw the originator (since He is shapeless), they are called Shruti.

Doubt: How old are Vedas?

As per the details of texts like Surya Siddhanta and traditions throughout India, Vedas are supposed to around 1.97 billion years old. Scholars have debates over whether this period refers to time of origin of earth or humans and it remains a topic of research. However in India, whenever a Yajna happens, people call out in detail the time since origin in units of Manvantar, Yuga and Year. This calculation is same across all parts of India.

Doubt:What about works of Wilson and Max Muller who claim Vedas to be 2000-3000 years old?

They were rogue Christian missionaries with no knowledge of Sanskrit or Indian culture who came with purpose of destroying Indian culture. They have been quite successful in their designs and performing their duties for which they were paid by British. But unfortunately, their crazy theories have no basis whatsoever. There is no logical or rational foundation of their claims but they are parroted by communists and missionaries because they thrive on denigrating the foundations of our culture. Vedas existed since inception of civilization and shall remain till dissolution of creation 2.33 billion years from now.

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  • So if the vedas were a few billion years old, how would they have been written? Are you telling that people knew how to write even before they learnt how to speak? Or that people knew how to speak at the time of their origin?

    • Vedas are form of illuminated knowledge. They were passed through orally in the beginning of Vedic period. Rishi’s were enlighten souls who were meditating through ages to get knowledge and understanding of Vedas. Devnagri script and panini vyakaran was discovered latter on to write and preserve Vedas.

  • […] with all souls instead of using agents. He revealed the Vedas at inception of humanity (refer Origin of Vedas ) and then continuously guides all living beings. He inspired us to secure Vedas – the oldest […]

  • dear agniveer, I understand veda is the root knowledge that was provided by ishwar at the commencement of humanity, but I am surprised that swami dayanand wrote it in satyarth prakash that life exists on ALL planets?? we have not found any life on the moon or mars as yet and also I have not seen any ved mantra which states that life exists on EVERY planet, however I do understand that there are many ‘earth’ planets in existence. if you could please clear my confusion on why swami dayanand has stated life existing on every planet. thanks.

    • The life on another planets, moon sun exists but that life is not similar to that of Earth. upnishads clearly states about life in different lokas. That life is probably life in sukhsham sharir and Karan sharir only not in sthool sharir.Swami jis statement in satyarth prakash about life in another planets may be influenced by thought of upnishads.

  • You lost me here, “Note: This chapter assumes reader to be a theist. Atheism has been rejected in previous article and we shall do a more comprehensive rejection later.”

    So you want your readers to be closed the questioning and challenging what you have written. Very convenient.

    Read the whole article, very deluded. The funniest part is that you know the Vedas were created by Ishwar because it is written so in the Vedas. I have a comic book which says Superman exists, I guess that is enough to suffice as a proof for his existence.

    I certainly applaud the good things preached by the Vedas. But, do you even realize that these origin stories are no where even close to that of the facts and figures that have been unearthed by scientists in recent times? My father has read the scriptures of Vedas to me, and I certainly find many of the an excellent source of knowing how to live ones life. But please, don’t try to shove a fantasy origin story to it. They are just books written by ancient scholars. No God created nor any super natural being created them.

    Stop convincing yourself that what you read has got to be “Above The Rest”. Appreciate a scripture for its content and not for its origin.

    • No, We don’t want anyone to be closed to questioning. Its just that this article has been targeted towards a specific audience group – the theists. This article does not aim to give “proofs”. I don’t think anyone can do that for anything relating to ancient history. The fact remains that there is no credible way to date Vedas. The fact also remains that there is widespread divergence even among “scientists” regarding “origin”. There are several contradictions in existing theories and hence whatever “scientific” or “unscientific” assertion you make regarding “origin” still remains a hypothesis. The article is honest enough to spell out its target audience. We have nothing to convince ourselves. We would recommend you to be more open to alternate viewpoints and not be swayed away that what you claim to be “scientific” is necessarily “Above the Rest”. Better go through the minutest details of the so-called scientific process of explaining origin, and you would realize the gaps their as well. And appreciate the fact that every article has a target audience. There is a niche audience for this article as well, and our duty is to be honest to that audience, and not necessarily everyone else in the world.

    • Akshay orgin of Vedas and divine knowledge can not be understand totally by logic alone. One will have to follow the path of intense meditation than only the orgin of this universe and gift of sacred knowledge in form of Vedas to mankind can be understood.

  • I think, Vaidic Thought is the right word,some one said that we must interpret any work from the prism of vaidic thought.

    Also, there is a tendency to get stuck or to defend one against other so intensively that one may end up getting sidetracked. i am specifically referring to those who say “we have after a lot of deliberation… this, this, this, and we accept only this” — this is like slamming the door shut…. its totally deviating from the deconstruct and experience and is more of a — I have had enough and I will stay here, stagnate for some time, before i again move further

  • I Have found the study of Vedas very interesting, their origin, their meaning etc.
    Another interesting thing is the familiarity of the concept of God Om is the creation and Guru Nanak
    only put ‘ONE’ in front of it ‘Ek’ meaning that there is only ONE creator.

  • Why Veda’s knowledge is not spread to the whole world?
    Why it is ristricted to only few people of the world?
    How relevent in this modern world?
    What message it spread the world?

    • @ muralimr,

      Who said that Vedic knowledge didn’t spread to the whole world/it is restricted to few people/not relevant in the modern world, etc.?

      Are we descendants of cavemen? What about the history of the world and it’s inhabitants 5,000 years back? Did the world start as mentioned in books like Puranas? Were our ancestors meat-eating hunters? Did agriculture came later? Are we descendants of Adam and Eve? Did nuclear weapons and modern machinery exist 5,000 years back? Does God really exist? Which religion is true? Is incarnation for real? What’s wrong in sex or meat eating or alcohol?

      You might wonder why I am throwing such questions to you.

      Actually, I had all these questions including the ones posed by you.

      If you’re looking for quick answers, you’ve landed in the correct website. Peruse all the sections thoughtfully.

      If you wish to learn more in detail, read Swami Dayanand’s Satyarth Prakash at or buy it from


  • hello mr. agniveer, am srinivasan.. i read your article fully and was very happy that finally the history and origin of veda is being factually portrayed in a reasonable and understandable manner.. i thank you so much for doing this.. i also wanted to introduce myself and my profile to you.. Am a ninteen year old ongoing chartered accountant doing articles in an auditing firm.. The reason why i initally started saying that you are being factually right is that i have completed yajur veda and have little knowledge about veda and their histories and have done many researches on veda with my guru and my friends.. Am also taking veda classes for both young and elderly ones. My vision is to start a school wherby we can teach both veda and the normal academics.. i got this idea from the school in which studied.. i learnt both veda and normal academics simultaneously which i beleive has made a huge difference in my life and made me to follow the best ethical practice.. i want a reply from your side to discuss more about this..
    Thank you…

    • Great !! I am an 18 year old guy pursuing CA IPCC .
      Considering your name I guess You are From Tamil Nadu . I am from Chennai .
      If possible we can join Hands make your Dream Come true and enlighten me more on Vedas.

      • Hello adhitya, am so very excited to hear that you are interested in vedas.. Am also residing at chennai only.. Teaching and chanting veda is my passion, hobby and my life.. and i am ready to anything for the betterment of vedas.. we should definitely join hands together and spread veda to every corner of this world.. i will send a message to your dummy id now.. i have lots and lots of plan to spread vedas which i i want to share with u in the coming days. thankyou..

    • And Brother,
      I will give a Dummy E-Mail id. Just send a mail to that from your id. I will disclose my original E-Mail id. This is because You Can see evil lurking in this site ,or for that matter any Site which promotes the Vedas.
      We could seriously Join Hands and work together.
      In Fact , I too wanted to do something like this .It is really happy to know that there are still many Young people out there to spread the Vedas .
      We can discuss in detail about the plans.
      And Considering the Same line of profession , We have a Lot Of Similarities .
      I am just waiting for you to say “I am also from Chennai” because that will make our goals all the more easier.

      I have no words to express my Joy! Please Reply

      My DUMMY ID
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  • “OM”

    Dear friend ,

    I m mechanical engineer . I am working on the project “science in Veda ” .

    m working on the flying technology in Veda ..

    but now I need a plate form to publish my work and need help to create that planes called Vimana again .

    I thing my research will change the world . we can design the flying machine in very low cost with help of vadic science .

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  • islam ki original teaching kho gai hai .thodi thodi ved ke vichar jaha nirgun,shunya,koi aakar nahi ,koi sathidar nahi,keval wo hi hai, ye teaching corrupt ho gai hai.kyo ki har bachha hindu paida hota hai.kaise suno. Jab baccha ma ke pet me hota hai tab uske chitta par koi akar nahi banta.par jaise hi wo janmta hai vaise hi uske chitt par maa ki akruti chap jati hai,baccha apne maa ko bhagwan hi manta hai.chahe duniya bhar ke musalman allah ki tasbeer na banye par unka baccha maa me allah ko hi dekhta hai is karan sabhi bachhe hindu hote hai.jaise jaise dimag kharab hone lagta hai vaise vo allah se jo dekhai nahi deta us ko manane me lag jata hai bachman me maa ke rup me allah ko dekha par bada hote hi maa ko bhul jata hai aur dimag me allah ko bhar deta hai jo dikhai nahi deta.

  • allah to ek atankvadi hai isliye usse darna padta hai vah kab kya kar baithe kuch nahi kaha ja sakta ? vah ek tanashah ki tarah kam karta hai vah ek krodhi hai bahut jaldi naraz ho jata hai , au rbahut jaldi khush bhi ho jata hai ! bas kalma padh lo vah khush ho jayega !aur jo muhammad kahe usi ko man lo to khush ho jayega 1 allah to ek sanki bhi hai , uska koi niyam adi nahi hai , vah manmarji ka malik bhi hai isliye usse prem nahi balki darna padta hai 1

  • @truth seekar,Sabse pahle ye baat samaj lo ki tum dar ke karan dharm ko mante liye tume sab jagah dar dikhta.jaha shanti aur khamoshi hai vaha tum dar dekh rahe ho.tum ko to dar hi dar chaya hua hai.pahle apne man se dar ko nikalo fir dekho.allah me tum pyar nahi paoge ye tum bhi mante karan tum apne islam me prem ka ek bhi ex. Na de sake ulte hindu dharm ke dar ko dekhne lage.hindu dharm me dar bhi hai aur prem bhi par kya tum allah me prem ko dekh sakte ho????? Islam me pyar ke prasang kaha par dekhne ko milte hai???

  • @Agniveer Sir,
    Please stop fake commenting. Someone, follower of rapist, pedophilia, child abuser prophet is commenting from my name.

    • @Agniveer ji, pleaes make it close account because any body can have any id for him like i have Truth Seeker because i like Truth Seeker name/id but a TS must be truth acceptor not truth rejectr after seeing and knowing the truth.

  • islam jo hai wo bahut hi low level ka darja rakhta hai.uske karan wo bhudhimani se nahi panpa balki swords ke karan takat ke karan panpa.ab ki jab kuch kuch log budhiman ho rahe hai,unko khud ye pata chal raha hai ki islam kitna sach hai.Par wo inkar bhi nahi kar sakte kyoki unhone hi to usko itna bada chadha kar bola tha.Aab dhyan se padhiye ek raj yaha khul raha hai…………….YAHI BAAT KI KEVAL KUCH SHABDO PAR APNA SARA SAMARPAN KAR DENA UCHIT HOGA? KYA YE KI KUCH SHABD KO SATYA MANKAR JIVAN BHAR USKO PADHNA,NIRANTAR USI USI SHABD KA UCCHARAN KAR USE HI DHARM KAHNA YAHI GALTI HINDU NE KI THI KAM SE KAM 3000 SAAL PAHLE.LEKIN VED VYAS NAMAK EK RUSHI NE PURANO KI RACHNA KAR KE AUR DEVTA KA VARNAN KAR KE IN SAB SHABDO SE ALAG VICHAR NIRMIT KIYA.AUR YAHI KARAN HAI KI HINDU DHARM JIVIT BACHA.TUM VED KO DISTROY KAR SAKTE HO PAR DEVTA KO KAISE DISTROY KAROGE.ISILIYE TO HINDU ME DEVTA KI SANKHYA JYDA HAI.ISLAM AAJ KHATRE ME HAI KYOKI US KE PAAS KEVAL SHABD HAI JAB KI PAHLE HINDU KE PAAS VED THE.HINDU NE TO PURANO KI RACHNA KAR APNA DHARM BACHAYA WAHI DUSRI AUR QURAN KO AB KISI PURAN KI RACHNA KARNI CHAHIYE NAHI TO WO KHATRE ME HAI.SHABD JYDA DER NAHI TIK SAKT.YE BAAT BIBAL SE PATA CHALTI HAI MESSENGER AAYE AUR CHALE GAYE AAJ UNKE SHABD KAHA HAI?KAHA GAYE MOSES KE SHABD.HAIRAT HAI KI JIJUS KE SHABD KOI MUSLMAN NAHI MANTA AUR QURAN KA KOI SHABD ISAI NAHI MANTA.SHABD AKHIR KAB TAK SAHARA DETE RAHENGE? Aaj kuch budhiman dikhi dete hai jo tark ki baat karte hai praman ki baat karte hai ye accha hai .nahi to bharat me aise budhiman 1000saal pahle kyo nahi aaye sirf talwar lekar hi aaye isliye to unko harana mushklil ho gaya.bhart ne budhi se mukabla kiya hota to na gaznvi ghori,yaha tik pate.par nihatte logo ko katl kar diya budhimani ki koi baat hi na ho saki. Ek bhudhimani darashukoh jo aurangzeb ka bhai tha ki to use mar diya gaya usne ek KITAB LIKHI THI SURTUL-E-FURKAN JISME LIKHA THA KI QURAN ME JIS SUBODH PUSTAK KA NAAM AATA HAI WO KRISHNA KI GITA HAI par uski pustak ko jala diya gaya aur use maar diya gaya.Aaj aisa nahi ho sakta budhimani ka jawab budhi se deno ko ab musalman tayar hai,unka main swagat karta hu….

    • @Jai, aap jaise logon ne hindu dharam ka swaroop bigar diya hai, hindu dharam mein to har taraf dar hi dar hai? kiya aapne kali maan ka rodra roop nahi dekha hai?

      agar kali billi rasta kaat jai to dar, agar koi mannat mano aur kanwar na lekar jao to darr, agar mangalwaar ko maans khalo to hanumaan ji ka darr, agar kisi mandir k saamne s niklo aur sar na jhukao to prakop ka darr, agar pahar k har mor par eik devta ka mandir na banao to accident ka darr, agar mandir k saamne horn na bajao to darr. agar mandir ka ghanta na bajao to darr….. aur kiya kiya bataun?

      • @Muslims
        ________agar kali billi rasta kaat jai to dar, agar koi mannat mano aur kanwar na lekar jao to darr, __________
        Tum apni satvi shatabdi ki jahil mansikta se kab bahar nikloge. Vedo kaha likha hai ye sab.
        Agar murti ke samne sir jhukaya to Allah bahut marega. Agar prophet ko yad nahi kiya to allah naraj jo jayega. tum kab inn choti-choti bato par ladna kab band karoge.

  • Karma based reincarnation in the Vedas:

    “O soul, God grants for thy bodies in different births, according to thy DEEDS a happy or unhappy place on this earth. May radiant beams prove helpful to thee!” (Chapter 35, verse 2) Translated by Devi Chand M.A.

    – This is very clear that the Veda is talking about Karma. The fact that the word DEEDS is used is very clear indicator of it. And it also talks about different births, which is also clear about reincarnation.

      • @Muslim
        iss website ne mujhe bahut bar ban kiya hai. Jab iski himmat hi nahi hai answer dene ki to comment section ka labh kiya. bas saudi arab se jo dollers aa rahe hai uski khatir formally rup se ye website chala rakhi hai.

      • truth seeker ji woh website mushafiq sultan chala raha hai , jo hinduon ko abusive language use karta hai , woh chua pakistani aur saudi arab ke pairon per bait ke yeh website chala raha hai

  • Agniveer starts siscussions and instead of focusisng on the core some of readers start satisfying their ego or stay away from the topic and the very point which was started is betrayed and I found lot of bickering and indulgence of those people who have nothing to do with Vedas or the thousands of Brahman granthas, Shruti, Smriti, Puran, Darshan Granths,Upnishadas, Aranayakas, Sutras, Samhitas, Mahabharat, Ramayan and various Samhitas and 18 Puranas,which throw light on explaining the contents of Vedas and the thought content found in them explains the eternity of the Vedas. Those who have dedicated their lives to understand the origin and utility of Vedas are ancient Rishis from the time immemorial, the Vaigyaniks, like Charak, Shushrut of Aryabhat of pre historic period and other scholars of medieval period whom we may call as philosophers like Adi Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, Vallabhacharya, Nimabarkacharya, and mny more who have written Bhashya on various Sanskrit Granthas.
    It will be interested to say that western scholars like, Maxmueller and Nietzche from Germany,
    and many other contemporary scholars from other parts of the world without prejudice translate whatever they could understand with limited vocabulary of their knowledge of Sansj=krit tried theirbest to establishe that the Vedas are not one mans effort it is combined knowledge of the Aryans who resided at the banks of River Saraswati in the North India only. Swami DayaNand Saraswati founder of Arya Samaj, has to get the copies of Vedas brought from the Germany which are now have become the basis of all. In India it is available with some of the familiies of the Brahmans who were preserving them by doing Ghan and Saghan path as their daily practice and spreading them as word of mouth. Every Brhmin Purohit family who had been allotted a shakha of Veda stayed there and Nearly 50 years ago only Namboodari Brahmins and some of the Brahman families were preserving in this way at Varanasi. The shakha of Brahmins…

  • sir, if God is omnipresent i.e. everywhere, He must be in humanbody too. so why a part of God (in human body) should worship to another part of God (in idol)???????????????????????????? pl guide me!

    • Who says one should worship idol? The issue is that should those who do so be punished? If God is all-powerful, what business do you and me have to suppress freedom of those who worship idols? And why should all-powerful God send Prophet 1400 years ago and not directly send us His message. How do we believe that those who are telling us to believe in such Prophets are prophets themselves or not? And if they are not, why should we believe in them.

    • Namaste Truth Seeker

      Paat here means “portion”. It does not mean physical foot. In Yogdarshan too, Paat/Paad refers to portion/section/chapter and not foot. So the essence of the Mantra is that Eeshvar is present everywhere including earth. It is His small portion that pervades this earth and rest pervades rest of the universe.

    • That Mushafiq is a confused being. He hates Agniveer and is punishing Vedas. He has only misunderstood Vedas. The knowledge of GOD was revealed to ancient saints who shared them. These views were known as Shruti gyaan – listened knowledge. This does not imply that saints created them. Relativity existed much before Einstein, just because Einstein thought about it first; that does not imply that Einstein created relativity. Similarly, ancient saints shared Vedas first and hence Vedas contain names of some saints. (Rishi)

      Vedas are proven to be of NON HUMAN ORIGIN by many scholars NOT only by agniveer alone. If a Satan worshipper (Mushafiq Sultan) does not believe it, that is his fault. Read this to know divine origin of Vedas.

      The Mushafiq – Veda fight is same as Shoaib – Sachin rivalry. Sachin Tendulkar does not require any certificate from Shoaib Akhtar, he got so from The best Cricketer – Sir Donald George Bradman. Similarly, Vedas don’t require any certificate from any randomly chosen entity (Mushafiq Sultan) – they already got those from scientists.

  • I agree about the Max muller part. Whole theory they propagte was to validate Bible and lower status of Hindiuism and Vedas. There whole theory of Aryan invasion has fall flat now with new discoveries and how they had done wrong translation of sanskrit. To write sanskrit word in English you need full para to explain, that much rich language sanskrit is.

    My website has many references to such articles on web, which shows how culprit were Muller and others and same were our leftist/Marxists historians

    • please could you let me have your website address as I am very much interested to explore,understand the hindu holy scriptures (vedas and others ). I am a hindu ,born in Mauritius but live in UK. My origin and roots is from Jodhpur . I need to impart some of the hindu teachings to my fellow hindu Mauritian ,who appears to be very mislead by jeovah and other christian missionaries.
      I would be therefore very grateful if you could assist me with someHindu holy scriptures as well as
      Thanks in advance

    • Namste Sarang Ji

      and i am big fan of yours! a Very Happy Republic Day to you and all my indian brothers and sisters

      Jai Hind

  • Namaste Agniveer ,
    which slok of vedas says that humans were born from earth….which slok support creation and refute evolution….which slok says about that there will be fourteen manvantar of 4 billion years……….

  • Greetings Agniveer

    I have utmost respect for the Vedic culture and whatever little I have seen of its extremely rich and subtle philosophy has convinced me that our ancestors were a wise and advanced race.

    I have recently become interested in the Evolution – Creation debate. On the basis of what I know and understand, I think Evolution as a more plausible theory that Creation (And here, I must stress that I don’t see how evolution precludes the existence of God).

    But Creation or Creationism itself seems to have many different meanings. The Biblical theory of creation is clearly different from the Vedic one. I found the arguments of the Biblical theory of “Young Earth Creation” ridden with a number of scientific and logical flaws.

    I was curious to know what the Vedas said about evolution. Your version of Creationism (for lack of a better word) sounds far more plausible.
    But I do not fully agree with you on your views on Evolution. So I will list a number of points which are held by a majority of today’s scientists to be in favour of evolution and ask you to explain your reasons to refute them.

    1) Fossil records of thousands of species (including species such as the archeopteryx which is considered to be the link between reptiles and birds).

    2) Vestigial organs of living creatures (pythons for instance have vestiges of legs, strongly indicating that they evolved from lizards).

    3) Similarities in genomes of similar species.

    4) Mutations resulting from errors in genetic coding (which explain the variety in life forms).

    There are several others but these will suffice for the moment. There is evidence in the fossil records of humanoid forms of life such as homo erectus or the more recent neanderthals which show marked physiological resemblances to primates. The human genome is about 97% similar to that of chimpanzees. So I would like to know which of these facts you are inclined to falsify and your reasons for doing so.

    Thanks and Regards

    • Shreyas Brother

      some counter doubts from my side

      1) Fossil records of thousands of species (including species such as the archeopteryx which is considered to be the link between reptiles and birds).

      Ever heard of the cambrian eplosion : read on

      2) Vestigial organs of living creatures (pythons for instance have vestiges of legs, strongly indicating that they evolved from lizards).

      Vestigiality has also become controversial a decade ago as an evidence in favor of evolution.

      The appendix in humans was considered a vestigial organ till somebody discovered it’s function recently

      also, from a logical point of view …vestigiality itself becomes questionable in the evolutionary babble ..are vestigial structures preparation for future evolution or Vestigial structures are dropped functions which are not required now !!!!!

      3) Similarities in genomes of similar species.

      this is the most absurd ground on which evolutionists stand …when they couldn;t explain compassion they created a new god ..the selfish gene (courtsey Richard Dawkins)

      if you believe in a selfish gene ..might as believe in a self less GOD !

      4) Mutations resulting from errors in genetic coding (which explain the variety in life forms).

      Mutation is such a random phenomenon that we all should have been dead by now 🙂 ..when the whole universe moves towards chaos in an unregulated system …how could mutation ensure the survival of species ?

      Please note that i am a dabbler on this topic ..any help would do 🙂

    • @Shreyas
      Namaste Brother,
      Since I am unable to comment on the biological reasons behind evolution due to no knowledge of Bio science, I would restrict myself to the philosophy only. I would like you to answer the following in the light of evolution

      1. What is life/consciousness?
      2. How was it all started, since evolutionists are strictly against “creation”? Where did everything, which is supposed to undergo evolution, come from? Or is it that this process of evolution has no beginning?
      3. Is there any role of a creator/manager in this theory? If yes, what is it? If no, how it is all managed?


  • Vedic Sanskrit differs from Classical Sanskrit to an extent comparable to the difference between Homeric Greek and Classical Greek.
    Vedic Sanskrit had a voiceless bilabial fricative (/ɸ/, called upadhmānīya) and a voiceless velar fricative (/x/, called jihvāmūlīya)—which used to occur when the breath visarga (अः) appeared before voiceless labial and velar consonants respectively. Both of them were lost in Classical Sanskrit to give way to the simple visarga.
    Vedic Sanskrit had a retroflex lateral approximant (/ɭ/) (ळ) as well as its aspirated counterpart /ɭʰ/ (ळ्ह), which were lost in Classical Sanskrit, to be replaced with the corresponding plosives /ɖ/ (ड) and /ɖʱ/ (ढ). (Varies by region; Vedic pronunciations are still in common use in some regions, e.g. southern India, including Maharashtra.)
    The pronunciations of syllabic /ɻ̩/ (ऋ), /l̩/ (लृ) and their long counterparts no longer retained their pure pronunciations, but had started to be pronounced as short and long /ɻi/ (रि) and /li/ (ल्रि).
    The vowels e (ए) and o (ओ) were actually realized in Vedic Sanskrit as diphthongs /ai/ and /au/, but they became pure monophthongs /eː/ and /oː/ in Classical Sanskrit.
    The vowels ai (ऐ) and au (औ) were actually realized in Vedic Sanskrit as hiatus /aːi/ (आइ) and /aːu/ (आउ), but they became diphthongs /ai/ (अइ) and /au/ (अउ) in Classical Sanskrit.
    The Prātishākhyas claim that the dental consonants were articulated from the root of the teeth (dantamūlīya), but they became pure dentals later. This included the /r/, which later became retroflex.[citation needed]
    Vedic Sanskrit had a pitch accent which could even change the meaning of the words, and was still in use in Panini’s time, as we can infer by his use of devices to indicate its position. At some latter time, this was replaced by a stress accent limited to the second to fourth syllables from the end.
    Vedic Sanskrit often allowed two like vowels to come together without merger during Sandhi.

  • thank you arya, so what i am really asking is that will these technological devices be there at our disposal as soon as the earth is created? or will humans have to again have to go through a sort of evolution before we acheive the different forms of technology that are readily available to us today? any info greatly appreciated.

    • @da
      Knowledge of Vedas is given at the time of inception of human life. This knowledge works as seed and when the scholars called Rishis meditate and desire to gain knowledge, this seed starts turning into tree. And the fruits of that tree are nothing but scientific inventions and social laws etc. So we can conclude that we dont get any device ready made. But we get seeds of all knowledge in the form of Vedas, which are further explored by scientists and thinkers called Rishis and the required fruits are obtained. If everything would have already been given to us, there would have no concept of Karma (efforts) and thus no Moksha.


  • hi agniveer or arya, i have to ask you with regards to the cosmic dissolution and when it happens and then the earth and everything is recreated afresh, is it true that any scientific and technological advances that we may have made, i.e satellites in space or computers, then we will not have the advantage of having these at our disposal? (when the universe is recreated)

    • Namaste da,
      All the scientific advancements are the result of progressive nature of humans. So no doubt, whenever there will be humans, there will be progress. However the devices may differ in their construction and modus operandi in different times. May be people of some era will not call their machine as computer, but something else. But important is that whatever is needed, it will be achieved and this is the sign of intelligence which humans are supposed to possess.

  • Namaste Agniveer ji,

    I am a vivid reader of your blog posts and youtube videos. I truly believe in vedas and vedic culture and follow it everyday. There are some questions which babbles me when it comes to the point of the eternal nature of vedas.. may be because i am still in the nascent phase of learning the true vedic culture and i loved to clarify them with you. Here are the questions …

    1. Does Vedas applicable to only human beings? If yes, then why this biased nature as there are millions of other species are living on this planet ?

    2. Does knowledge of the Vedas also applicable to the lives of other planets? As mentioned in Satyartha Prakash, universe is rich of life not even the sun is devoid of that. If yes, then Are Vedas written in Sanskrit language there also ?

    3. Why the Sanskrit language is preferred for the writing of the Vedas? As knowledge is independent of the language why in Sanskrit?

    4. If Vedas are the knowledge of the Paramatma, why there are various verse which tells that “hume us parameshwar ki prarthana evam stuti sada karni chahiye”? This question always makes me puzzled.

    Hope i’ll get the reply from you very soon.



    PS: We, group of few people are also developing a Website where people can learn Vedic Books in Sanskrit, Hindi and English languages. But when it comes to the english translation of the vedic books, i never found the good books. Can you please refer me some good writer’s translated books?

    • @Smita
      Namaste sister,
      I try to give you the answers to the questions with my limited intellect.

      1. Animals possess same level of intellect as the kids possess. So, humans are instructed in Vedas to take care of them as their own kids. This is how Vedas are applied on animals. However, animals, just like children, dont have that much of intelligence which is required to explore the Vedas. This way, they cant understand and apply the knowledge of Vedas. But as soon as they come out of their “Paashvik Sanskaar”, they are given the human form and thus the opportunity to explore Vedas!

      2. Sister, knowledge, morality, etc are the properties of Aatma (soul) and not of body. So, language, being a way of thinking and expression and thus knowledge, should be unique for all places.

      3. Sanskrit has not been discovered by humans. Rather it is the language in which Vedas were enlightened in the hearts of Rishis in the starting of human life. Sanskrit is said to be perfect, it means, it alone can express the knowledge of Vedas completely. Of course, we use different languages today, but we are able to use those because we dont possess perfect knowledge! For expressing perfect knowledge, we need perfect language!

      4. Please read 7th chapter of Satyarth Prakash. There it is written that praising Eeshvar helps no one but yourself. Eeshvar does not need this at all. We are in “Bandhan” and want to come out of this and attain Moksha. But it is possible only when we search for Eeshvar. To search Him, we need to know His qualities and thus we do “Stuti” which means to remember His qualities, given in Vedas. Praarthna makes you noble and removes arrogance within yourself and you start coming out of ignorance. This is same as parents teach their kids to say Namaste to the elders. It is just to make those kids noble rather than any desires for getting praises by elders!

      As soon as we practice the above along with doing noble deeds, we start coming out of “Ajyan” and Eeshvar within ourselves becomes clearer and clearer to us.

      Hope I could convey in the best possible manner I could do. You are most welcome for further discussion, sister.


      • the satya prakash book is great it answers alot of questions but not all also on the quran some of verse numbers are incorrect the context is correct but the number written where the verse can be found is not accurate like one verse says quran says 20 but really that verse can be found on 21 etc

      • @hinduagnostic : the qurans in india at that point in time when the book was written would have the sequence as mentioned in satyarth prakash, and as you said, only the aayah number is not right but the aayah does exist.

  • i have not published the above site. eight years i found out the truth of solar system and blackhole. unfortunately i could not publish the same. afterwards what i understood, whatever i found is written in vedas. they have mathematically presented the same in slokas. due to ignorance no body could understand that. europeans learned little bit of the same and presented as it their own science. we people started to study it as modern science and rejected our vedas. One example you see is making of food thru photosynthesis. in vedas it is written that we are getting food due to the blessing of devas. the word devas can be interpreted as light (diva). so we have to offer the food to devas before eating. the europeans studied this and interpreted it as photosynthesis. and they teach us so many wrong theories also. Example the leaves absorb carbon dioxide and releases the oxygen. there is no scientific proof to this. Still we are accepting this. I would like to conclude this by saying that the vedas are the real science.

    • You presented the wrong example
      There is proof, by measuring the volumes before and after.
      Try putting a plant in a room without CO2 and observe if it grows or not.

  • Agniveer Ji,
    My doubt is why even work classes like Brahama, Kshatriya, Vyashya , Kshudra.
    Kshudra have been preached to serve for above three class personnel in Bhagvad Geeta also.
    This might maligned by Brahamins for their wasted intrested.
    Pls clarify here we face difficulty that this is beginning of castisam though there is no casts in Ved.
    but in modern time you see all casts are based on their nature of work which is applicable to only Kshudras.

    • @ads_pnvl

      This is mere terminology used as per the nature of work. Say, for example in one firm we have peons to clerks to scientists to managers to ceo. Everybody has a well defined job. This is just the classification as per the qualification and nature of job.
      Unfortunately what we have been following is birth-based caste system which is not based on meritocracy . Even I am a so-called brahmin but as per my nature of job, I am a vaishya.
      But I am optimistic that we will move from this birth-based caste system to a merit based caste system as per the Vedas!

  • hello people visit this website… agniveer ji..why are deleting my comments. are you so ashamed of ur religion that u dnt want to post my commnts

    • The name that u've chose to comment shows us the teaching of quran and preachings of muhammad. I understand that in islam women are merely treated that way if we go by the verses of quran

    • We know that you are among those cowards, who saw their mothers and sisters raped by Arabs but did not do anything except accepting the coward cult of Arabs. In this manner, you feel proud to be called as rapist of your own mothers and sisters. So, insult your ancestors as much you can because this is the only way you can get 72 whores in paradise.

    • Using these kind of names to abuse our great historic personalities proves that u are a coward. U know u cannot debate us so that is why u show such languages. By the way tell ur prophet zakir naik, if hes the last, im not sure how many prophets do u have yet to come, tell him to face us?

      By the way, I heard Ayesha, prophet's youngest wife, had an affair with someone while she was married, and muhummad got a revelation saying that she is pure, is that true???

    • U r comments are being deleted coz filth has no place here. By the way, what caused this deranged mentality? The quran perhaps, it does have a bastardizing effect on its reader. So, please read quran with extreme caution.

  • 1. The difference between Geeta, Upanishads etc and Vedas is that only Vedas have a fail-safe mechanism to prevent even minutest adulterations. Further all texts- Ramayan, Mahabharat, new Purans, Brahmans, Upanishads etc claim that Vedas alone is ultimate truth and rest are human creations. So Vedas cannot be mythology – we find even today gurukuls which preserve Vedas as per different Paatha Vidhis and they all match even to last syllable with perfection. And on top of that, no one knows when Vedas were written. We best know that they were present always. Thus Vedas clearly have a different status compared to any other text of world.

    2. Agniveer is affiliated to no organization and is in fact completely against all major organizations of Hindus – Arya Samajes, Sanatan Sabhas etc. Agniveer believes that they are blatantly working against the ideology of Vedas and hence harming the society. Agniveer is extremely against modern Arya Samajes especially because they have simply become marriage centers for eloped couples and doing nothing constructive.

    3. Vedas say accept the truth and reject the false. Thus we do not defame any religion. We point out fallacies in those texts which people follow blindly and then create troubles in world. You never condemn your science teacher for claiming that earth is round and those who say it is not are false. Same logic should be applied here. You would note that in no article do we condemn any person, but we only analyze scriptures that are blindly followed. Also, we do not make our own interpretations but go by the interpretations of scholars of the respective cult.

    4. We believe that Mazhab hi sikhata hai aapas me bair rakhna. It is only cults which create fights among us. Thus we believe in only religion of humanity. We welcome intellectual debates and differences in opinions, because that helps us reach truth. But we are strongly against those trends which say that only I am right and you are wrong – and because you are wrong, you will burn in Hell forever.

    5. Finally, feel free to debate, condemn, criticize or support whatever you like on the site. We do not prefer to moderate much except removing those comments that are too distracting from theme of the article. I may not be able to participate in debates much due to other priorities. But would surely be reading them and trying to explore if articles need amendment.

    The only agenda of the site is to present and promote truth and instill a spirit of rejection of falsehood. We expect readers to follow same logic for this site also. After all none except Ishwar can explain complete truth. That is why we merely attempt to lead all to Ishwar. In Vedas, Ishwar says that simply reject false and accept truth, and you shall soon achieve ultimate bliss if you stick to this resolve.

  • 1. We do not know who wrote the Vedas except that they were always present how so much farther in time we look. Further, all leading texts attribute them to Ishwar. Also there is a mechanism that nothing can change in them. Finally, they contain tremendous amount of knowledge, contrary to evolutionary hypothesis of primitiveness, on a vast number of field. And we get them even today. So they are not mythological.

    2. This is not taught by NCERT because our education policy designed by British and then by communists has to focus on secularism. They would rather teach how Nehru loved children and dated theory of Darwin which are being removed from many schools even in USA!

    3. We do not abuse others. We are simply presenting facts and leave it to readers to decide what is true or false. We do not force anyone to believe us blindly, nor claim that disbelieve and put you in Hell or Narak. We only state that one should follow truth to utmost honesty and rest shall come automatically.

    4. BTW Einstein and Newton were not supporters of evolution and believed that God manages the world as per unchangeable laws – just like Vedas. Unfortunately they did not have access to Vedic wisdom then.

    5. I leave it to you whether you want to surf or not. The goal of series on Vedas is to present before people basic concepts on Vedas based on what has been discovered by our Rishis. This is our best attempt to present the truth. People may still differ depending upon their current state of knowledge and sanskaars, Neither do we claim that we have realized the absolute truth. But we simply expect people to review them, explore and research on them, analyze and accept whatever they believe is true as per their current knowledge. With this pursuit of knowledge, noble actions as per this knowledge and contemplation – we shall move towards ultimate truth.

    Finally, I do not have the space to debate much on this topic at this juncture because preparing these articles itself is a gigantic task of much higher priority. Thus I would request everyone to discuss among each other and discover the truth. Accept whatever is true to best of your knowledge and research and reject the rest.


  • Here u r Arya, at the main point! Finally there is one who ask the main reason for not being with agniveer.
    !!!!But pls agniveer delete this post as soon as u read this as i have not found the delete link here!!!! By religion i m hindu and I have respect for all the 33 crore devi and devtas including Vedas also.

    I m upset because agniveer said that geeta, upnishads etc are all unauthentic source of information (In fact I agree with him since there is no scientific reason for entrusting on these scripture and believes but same is true for Arya Samaj or Sanatan dharm also.

    I also appreciate agniveer efforts in bringing and restructuring Hinduisim even I have suggest my friends to visit and help agniveer in his noble deads. But slowly after 3 months i realise that this site is interested more in promoting arya samaj and that too by abusing other religions and gods. U tell me weather it is good to call other's prophet as "dalla" because among the four vedas no one teaches to defame other religion. Even our constitution says """" MAJHAB NAHI SIKHATA APAS MAIN BAIR RAKHNA"""

    And regarding anti hindu sites…… they are all superstitious or money minded people who lure others just for their own agenda and their power hungry nature. They had made their head strong and no matter how many time u n me try to convince them they will not listen a penny of it. So let them do their job we will do ours. Their is a famous saying
    ""HATHI CHALE BAZAAR KUTTE BHOKE HAZAAR""". Let this dogs to bark on us. They have their own agenda and we have our own""""

    And SORRY TO ALL WHO IS HURT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY ME….This is my last comment here in agniveer. But this does not means that my beliefs and principles are changed. Anyway I will continue to be a reader of agniveer!!!!!!!

    Baba Agniveer pls pls pls delete this post varna koi KATUA iska advantage le sakta hai……

    • @Rubul
      Nobody is going to delete your comment. I request Agniveer team to keep your comments as it is so that people can see Jaichand of today. If you think this is an anti islamic site then never visit it again. This is a pro rational forum, on which we analyze everything on the basis of logic, morality, and natural lawas, be it Quran, Bible, Atheism, Vedas, Puranas, Upanishads, Geeta etc. We are not blind followers of any book. Till now, we have faith in Vedas because they look best as per our logic, morality, and natural laws. We have deeply gone through all the major scriptures and found Vedas to be ultimate. All other Upanishads, Puranas, Ramayan, mahabharat etc say the same. Every Rishi converges to Vedas, no matter how differently he thinks from the others.

      We have said that Vedas are ultimate as they are given by Eeshvar. If you want to talk about this issue based on logic, we can do it. No other book is from Eeshvar because they contain history. Upanishads and Geeta are works of Rishis and they contain great knowledge certainly, but they have come into existence because of Vedas. Moreover, Upanishads explore spiritual aspect of Vedas, and Geeta further explores Upanishads. But wherever we find some contradiction, we have to go by Vedas. Hence, we have to admit that Eeshvar never incarnates. This is the concept of Vedas. Whichever verse of any book goes against it, we have to reject that.

      Finally, I must tell you that our Dharm is Vedic. Arya Samaj is not any Dharma in first place. This is rather an institution to prepare warriors of truth, who can defend Vedic Dharm. And for your information, I must tell you that Vedic Dharma has been defended by the principles and martyrs of Arya Samaj in the past and now also. (Today, Arya Samaj is no longer a living institute, but its principles are eternal as they are based on eternal Vedas). Have you seen any so called Swami or Bapu defending our culture. It was Dayanand, who, for the first time challenged Islam and Christianity in India and reconverted lakhs of muslims to Vedic Dharm. And interestingly, Pauraaniks were playing the role of Jaichand at that time, as you are doing today, of cursing Dayanand, opposed him for Shuddhi movement, poisoning him 16 times, on many places even united with muslims and christians and tried to defeat Dayanand, finally killed him in a conspiracy with the help of Muslim minister of Jodhpur in 1883.

      I know, you get heart when one true well wisher like Dayanand tries to tell you truth from Vedas but get united with muslims to offend him. You are nothing but a coward, who forgets the killing of ancestors, breaking of idols by muslims, and still help them against Dayanand because he criticized Puranas. Jaichand and Mansingh were another such cowards, who helped muslims against their own brothers.

      Now search for another such forum, help muslims and christians in the same way and feel proud to be a secular hindu. And when Muslims come to convert you some day, show them your comments to prove your loyalty to them. Haan! That day you will know the reality of "Majhab Nahi Sikhata…"

  • @Rubul
    1.Mian Ji, Its understood that those who belive in FyaKun, crying of stone or breakin of moon can't grasp anything logical.

    2.Yes indeed followers of quran can only relate their myth-ological stories like muhammad going to meet allah on a donkey, talking 2 him thru curtains, urging him 2 reduce the no. of prayers per day to 5 etc etc etc etc to those tom & jerry cartoons!! I agree!

    3. Its not ved but quran & bible which classify humans and muslims and believers. Vedas believe in humanity.

    PS: Bro, these pages are for intellectuals, not for madarsaa bred semi-literates. So, don't waste our time here. Go, to IRF's site and praise that paedophile.

    • So which author wrote vedas???? Thus vedas are not mythological???? Which scientist has proven the vedas theory????? Why not this vedas are taught by the NCERT forget abt Madrasa and who is this chinki FyaKun???? Why u people are trying to recreate arya samaj or sanatan dharm by abusing other ones???
      By the way I m not a Muslim!!!!! And u r saying that this page r for intelectuals thats why its only three to four people namely arya, vik, sdc, vivek and u also, are here to prove that rest of the world are idiots!!!!right??
      Carry on one or another day u will be named before Einstein or Newton

      And abt wasting time to get out of here…… agniveer I want to hear it from u not from ur followers surely i will not surf this site again.

      • @Rubul
        Why are you hiding your identity and beliefs? Dont attack like cowards, first tell us which religion/ideology do you follow and then we can have a comparison between your belief and Vedas. Your queries/allegations will be answered when you will introduce yourself.
        But tell us one thing, there are thousands of websites and organizations run by Muslims and Christians to convert hindus and defame Vedic Dharm. Why dont you suggest those liars not to defame Vedas? Why are you so upset by just one Agniveer?

      • Namaste Agniveer ,
        which slok of vedas says that humans were born from earth….which slok support creation and refute evolution….which slok says about that there will be fourteen manvantar of 4 billion years……….

      • Namaste Krishna

        Swami Ramswarup Ji has expounded on this with references from Vedas. i quote him here:

        Everybody is free to tell anything. And it is not bad because through this a path is held to discuss the truth. Ancient Rishis always used to talk based on Vedas only. Yajurveda mantra 31/11 says that he who knows Vedas he is the best amongst universe like a mouth in a body. And he is called Brahman according to his deeds and not by birth. Mantra 31/7 says “TASMAT YAJAT SARVHUT RICHAH SAMANI JAJIRE CHHANDASI JAJIRE TASMAT YAJUSTASMADAJAYAT”
        Meaning—- Tasmat= from Almighy God, Yajat=adorable, Sarvhutah= to whom everything is surrendered i.e., He is God. From this God Richah = Rig veda, Samamni= Saamveda, Jajire= are emanated. Tasmat= from the God, Chhandasi= Atharvaveda, Jajire= are emanated. Tasmat= from the God Yajuhu= Yajurveda, Ajayat=emanated. So we have to worship the God from whom Vedas are emanated.

        Meaning— Anushtubhasya Yasya= anushtup ved vak i.e., Vedas’ master Almighty God. So God’s Yasya Havisha= Vedas and Vedas’ Havihi special knowledge. Prathah sa prathah ch= disciple and Guru, Vasishtha= having the deepest knowledge of vedas called Brahma, Dhatuhu= i.e., from mantradrishta Agni, Dutanat= Vaayu Rishi, Savituhu= Aditya Rishi, Vishnoho= and Angira Rishi, Rathntaram Jabhara= the Brahma studied theVedas.

        hope this helps

      • i am not asking from whom vedas were revealed..i was asking for slok which tells about that many humans were born , this universe will be of 14 manvantar and of 4 billion years,about satyug will be of these 1,728,000 much years,treta will be of etc etc and which slok tells about that 12000 is of dev varsha which is divided in satyug for 4000 years and so on……Thanks……..

      • on Yuga calculations here’s a little help

        read Atharva Veda book 8 , hymn 2:21

        if you get this one, i will share more 🙂

        kindly also explain your intent in knowing this ‘conceptual’ information from Vedas alone

      • i dont have any bad intentions..i was wondering how these much years came to be known…..Humans need instructions so to start at first…Hence something must be there in vedas on these things….So if you know please elabarote and write those verses……..It will be wonderful to refute Darwin theory….I really need it…….
        i will put here from BG which say about manu and yugas..But i need it from vedas…
        महर्षयः सप्त पूर्वे चत्वारो मनवस्तथा।
        मद्भावा मानसा जाता येषां लोक इमाः प्रजाः॥१०-६॥
        The seven great seers, their four elders (Sanaka
        and others), and the fourteen Manus or progenitors
        of mankind (such as Svayambhuva and his
        successors), who are all devoted to Me, were
        born of My will; to whom all these creatures
        belong. (BG – 10.6)

        सहस्रयुगपर्यन्तमहर्यद् ब्रह्मणो विदुः।
        रात्रिं युगसहस्रान्तां तेऽहोरात्रविदो जनाः॥८-१७॥
        Those Yogis who know from realization Brahma’s
        day as covering a thousand Mahayugas, and so his
        night as extending to another thousand Mahayugas
        know the reality about Time. (BG – 8.17)
        इमं विवस्वते योगं प्रोक्तवानहमव्ययम् ।
        विवस्वान्मनवे प्राह मनुरिक्ष्वाकवेऽब्रवीत् ॥४-१॥
        Bhagavan said: I revealed this immortal
        Yoga to Vivasvan (Sun-god); Vivasvan conveyed
        it to Manu(his son); and Manu imparted it to
        (his son) Iksvaku..(BG – 4.1)

        एवं परम्पराप्राप्तमिमं राजर्षयो विदुः ।
        स कालेनेह महता योगो नष्टः परन्तप ॥४-२॥
        Thus transmitted in succession from father to
        son, Arjuna, this Yoga remained known to the
        Rajarishis(royal sages). Through long lapse of
        time, this Yoga got lost to the world.(BG – 4.2)

      • Namaste Krishna
        Brother Indian Agnostic has already provided us the Mantra which talks about the age of Srishti, which is 4.2 Billion years. Swami Dayanand has given two references about many humans in starting from Upanishad and Brahman of Yajurved, i.e. Shatpath Brahman

        1. “Manushyaa Rishayashch ye” [Mundak Upanishad 2/7/1]. I think this issue is discussed in Yajurved chapter 31 too. Let me see it there.

        2. “Tato Manushyaa ajaayant” [Shatpath Brahman 14/3/2/5]

        These two places specifically discuss about the starting of human life. From these two, it is evident that many humans were created because the word used here is “Manushyaa” which is plural.


      • please specify which kaandam ,sukta and verse …..And please provide me translation in english which you gave………And what about satyug years , treta years and so on….,,i clearly want to say that i want all information regarding satyayug,treta,dwapar and kali that how much years they contain…..If its not their in vedas, so it came to be known……….And which books are authentic other than vedas…Are Shatpath Brahman authentic ???…Manu Smriti authentic???….Whatever written in these books , are there in vedas or not ????………..I hope you dont misunderstand …dhanyawaad………….
        i can referr to slok what indian agnostic gave because he didnot tell from which kaand…only 2:21 he told and dont know meaning of book it kaand 8???…………
        BTW actually its difficult to refer from arya samaj website as its in pure hindi and difficult for me and also alphabets are not very clear……….Dhanyawaad…

      • Namaste Krishna!’

        If you cant find it despite being explicitly stated, i can be of little help to you.

        Aren’t you surprised and challenged by the fact that brother Vajra got exactly what i quoted?

        you have just been initiated and your response will direct the journey what is your response?

        PS: Don’t learn Vedas to disprove Darwinism, it’s futile !

      • I didnot understand what you want to say…….i dont learn vedas just to disprove darwinism ..I know its written in BG also but I was just asking so that if anyone say where its written in vedas so i can show those verses…..Vedas are most authentic and hence specifically i was asking from them…..Hence i was asking to post that verse which you said….

      • ok i got it from here…
        Atharvaved 8.2.21
        शतं तेऽयुतं हायनान् द्वे युगे त्रीणि चत्वारि कृण्मः ।
        इन्द्राग्नी विश्वे देवास्तेनु मन्यन्तामहृणीयमानाः ।

        परमेश्वर ने यह सृष्टि और काल चक्र मनुष्य के उपकार के लिये बनाये हैं । विज्ञानी पुरूष परमेश्वर की
        अपार महिमा मे अपना पराक्रम बढ़ाकर नये नये आविष्कार करके अमर नाम करते हैं ।
        but these is bhavarth bhasharth there is no word vighyani purush is there but
        shatam,ayutam is there which again is not given in bhavarth..why its like this…..Can you please explain these and also share other mantras as you already said…..

      • Krishna,
        Im am not too familiar with Hindi also, but the answer to your question has already been given by Indian Agnostic and Vijra. You being a Hindu (i assume) should know that the Vedas lay a foundation and a starting point for humanity for expand their own intellect, as we have free will, we also have freedom to think. And the years of the Sat, Treta and Kali ect yugas are our (ancient sages) way of expanding on what is in the Vedas, and all books are Authentic in their own rights, but they are not the Vedas and have to be interpreted according to Vadic thought.

  • Agniveer ji,
    How do u know that all the four rishis: Agni, Vayu, Aditya and Angira, were male? Angira apppears to be the name of a female.

    • We don't know except from ancient texts where some of the above words are used in male usage of word. Beyond that, at inception of society, when humans were devoid of any knowledge, males may have been more suited for initial training purpose. Thats a personal reasoning and not a final statement. For example, even today, just consider who would be more suited for going for trainings people in dreaded areas. We may prefer to send men and have women chosen for more refined work. I allow others to differ from this. But fact remains that soul has no gender and whatever Ishwar may have done would have been best as per the situations.

  • Agniveer theory of evolution has challenged "Darwin's theory of evolution". I think our education minister should insert vedic theory of evolution instead of Darwin.

    Further u call "purans" as unauthentic source of information. Do u want to say that 150 crore peoples of india are wrong and your mutual friends like Vik. SDC, Araya and Vivek are the only persons who are right and has the most authentic information as such that u r present in the early centuries when this Vedas are created.

    • @Rubul
      1. Brother, which education minister? Do Madarsaas follow scientific curriculum? I thought you teach "Kun fayakun" theory in your Madarsa instead of Darwin's! But you seem to me a bit progressive unlike your fellow brothers. So, first of all congratulations to you for becoming rational by discarding Kun theory. But then you are no longer a muslim! You have done Shirk by challenging kun theory!
      2. I am surprised that I have not come across any country named India which has 150 crore people. May be Madarsa curricula have their own figures! By the way, Muhammad claimed himself as prophet and his wife (not wives!) was only person to accept it. In the similar way, the truth in the starting is digested by very few, but later it expands!

      P.S. If you are a christian, replace Muhammad by Jesus, Madarsa by Christian missionaries and Kun by "let there be".

    • I see it differently …while darwin's theory explains the HOW of evolution …Agniveer's theory explains the WHY of evolution

      The theories are complementary rather than contradictory in explaining the Truth in a holistic fashion.

      Puranas, by their very nature , are stories help those souls that are uninitiated in their spiritual destinity

      Puranas never claim authority of the absolute Truth what are you specifically objecting to?

    • @Rubul

      the problem with people like u is that u just cant accept anything logical. I forgot, u must be muslim, musims never use logic, they do everything according to the Quran because Quran tells them to do so. Tomarrow people like u will engage in pedophilia, sex slavery, polygamy, etc. Hence, an illogical mind like u can never understand the Agniveer theory of evolution.

      All hindus, even the crores you are talking about know and consider Vedas to be the supreme scripture. Because regardless any scripture they follow be it Puranas, Ramayan, Mahabharat, Upanishads, they all declare Vedas to be the ultimate and only supreme scriptures. Now, just because majority of those ignorant hindus dont follow Vedas, doesnt mean they are right. There is a larger quantity of idiots in this world as opposed to sensible people, now what will u say, idiots are intelligent because they are more????

      Very less people know the truth, and Vedas is the only truth

    • 1. Definitely Darwin's theory of evolution should not be taught as it has more loopholes than answers. At best, all theories should be presented with an admission that we do not know which one is correct.

      2. A cursory reading of Purans will tell you why they are unauthentic. More number of people worship Quran and Bible than Purans. Numbers don't make something true. Its not only my view, but many so-called Hindu icons also admit that Purans are full of adulterations. These include even Vivekanand

      3. Apart from Vedas, no text in the world has a fail-safe mechanism to prevent adulterations. Thus no text can be as authentic as Vedas.

      4. Finally, no one was present when Vedas were created. What is presented in the article is as per the oldest known texts of the world and logic. We leave a scope that we are wrong – because we are not blind fanatics. Whenever truth is revealed, we shall accept it and reject the false, as per the Vedas.

      But till today, no convincing logic/facts come to displace the prevailing theory from Vedas. At least evolution theory is too shallow to provide reasonable answers.

      Still, we leave it to readers to analyze and accept whatever is true, to best of their intentions, devoid of ego. This will gradually lead to salvation.

  • I believe that the discussion on evolution must be handled more responsibly here

    1.there's lot of evidence for evolution than against

    2.The vedic view point of Truth is handled at two levels : the parmarthika satyam(absolute truth) and vyavaharika satyam ( operational/Worldly truth) ..let's remember that while explaining any vyavaharika principle or theory

    3.As per my understanding …the hindu concept of evolution is more to do with the evolution of 'jiva' through various 'species/life forms' than the other way round

    I mean ..the various life forms exist in this world to facilitate each 'jiva' to get the right body-mind-intellect apparatus according to it's karma

    • Dear Indian agonist,
      You are right that the issue must be handled carefully. I like reading religious books, the answer to origin of life is not satisfactory in B&Q. Vedas mention that body is made up of earth water air fire and space. Rigveda 1/26/5 says all living and non-livings are continuous ( ANADI).
      I think this has convergence with evolution theory and confirms the logic and truth in Vedic texts. Kindly let me know the quote about the origin of man from earth crest in these texts.

  • Namaste Agniveer-ji

    My apology to pop up in the middle. Actually I have been following this conversation on creation and the theory of evolution. I am also keen to know the vedic view point on these issues.

    Although being the most popular theory on how life evolved on earth, the theory of evolution is not yet established unequivocally. In particular, this theory fails largely to explain how the very first life form was formed on the surface of the earth. However, you mention that you are not against evolution. I would be grateful if you could shed light on the following issues

    [1] If human did not evolved from less intelligent ape like ancestors, how did they come to existence? Did they appear in groups or only a couple appeared first ?

    [2] Is vedic view point in accordance with the extra terrestrial life form?

    [3] The four rishis, to whom the vedas were revealed, were they already educated with the language of vedas so that they can spread the knowledge further?

    Thank you.

    • 1. The first humans were created asexually. The exact process is a matter of exploration. But they emerged as youths. Many different humans were born this way. They may have emerged from earth like they emerge from womb today or some other process. They possessed basic natural intellect to maintain themselves. So called evolution or transformation of world might have been happening over ages because creation did not happen in split second. But creation of humans through this process and their intelligence does not explain many things.

      2. Life may have come from outside earth or in other words, from some other plane. If this is found to be true, it will still be as per Vedic ideology.

      3. Of these people, 4 Rishis who were most capable received the knowledge of Vedas from within their hearts just as we recieve inspirations today. But this was of much purer and higher level. The language and knowledge came simultaneously. Then they used this knowledge and power of language to train others. And hence civilization began. It was not that someoen dictated them Vedas, It came from within and hence language and Vedas have same origin.

      • Agni, you claimed that "…certain things cannot be explained by evolution…". However, the only alternative you could offer is "process is a matter of exploration" and "… may have emerged…". That indicates the same level of uncertainty from our present interpretation of Vedas.

        I think, at this point the Theory of Evolution has more indepth explanation to how we emerged than alternative theories. Vedas are either silent on that or we are not able to interpret them exactly. I think the later is true and in that case, you should give us some references from Vedas (not any other book including Satyarth Prakash).

        So if both sources are uncertain, people will choose the one that is more certain than not – which at this point is evolution.

        Respectfully, Apurva

      • 1. Definitely there are uncertainties. Because only when Avidya is completely eradicated, can one understand the truth. We can understand Vedas only to level where we have removed our Avidya. And the world today is witness that we are overloaded with Avidya.

        2. I disagree that Theory of Evolution has more indepth explanation than alternative theories. Had that been so, even scientists would not have been disputing each other and developing huge number of versions of evolution theory. Evolution is good to extent that is says that nothing happens all of a sudden. Its experiments hint at that being the case, It is also good to predict that we have been there for much longer periods than claimed by Bible. Beyond that, they simply do not have sufficient data to comment on other things that they comment on. Its popular because it rose as a reaction to Bible and could defeat Bible easily. Now when it emerged, Bible was ruling the world. So it became popular. Beyond that, if you study evolution deeply, you would relize that if we talk of being honest scientists who believe in evidences, they should comment only on 1% of things that they actually claim to be true history of world and life.

        Finally, as I said, Vedas are not an initial point but a final benchmark. Initial point is pursuit of truth. So accept what is true and reject the rest. If indeed evolution seems more credible, choose that. But not merely because you did not study Vedas and did not bother to explore evolution assuming it to be true.


      • Agniveerji,
        Indeed I was looking for the evidence of origin of life in Vedas, finally ended here.
        1. Asexual origin of human may be possible ( cloning of “Dolly” goat was carried by asexual method), however, is there any evidence for this theory in Veda’s or related texts?
        2. How a youth remained in earth crest and popped out?
        3. How was life maintained in earth crest? There are certain microbes who can survive without oxygen.
        4. Again is there any evidence in vedic or related text about the theory of youth coming out of earth?, if any please give the reference.

      • Agniveerji,


        I would like to add here that before asexual reproduction starts the genetic material of the same population is needed.
        Where from genetic material for human came? of course same way for other organisms as well?
        As I have not read vedas in full, out of 11 part of Rigveda, the first one discusses about the properties of fire, air, water, earth, sun etc. and tells to explore these for man kind to cure of disease, development of Vauyaan, and in other technologies etc..
        The quest here is that if scientific evolution of origin of life is incorrect ( it does talk about the origin of genetic material to evolve to single cell organism and then to multicellular orgianisms, and justifies the millions of species and organisms), then how will religion/ Vedas explain these mistries?

  • @Apurva

    the first four rishis are chosen as the best souls who have done good deeds according to their previous births. It is all dependent on the criteria made by Paramatma, there are ok souls, there are good souls, there are very good souls, there are excellent souls, and also there are supremely perfect souls, depending on the judgement, Parmatma chooses the best to reveal Vedas to. Before the creation of earth in a continous cycle, Paramatma chooses the best souls and reveals them the Vedas. It is just the perfect law of Paramatma.

    The true age of Vedas is that it is beginningless, and have existed since time memorial. Please Read FAQS on Vedas, FAQS on theory of Karma, and FAQS on GOD, on this site, and also read Satya Prakash by Swami Dayanand, it will answer most of your questions.

    • OK… so only 4 souls attained the Karmic success after countless recycles of creations to become supremely perfect souls? If they did become supremely perfect, why did they have to take birth – Ishwar cannot disobey his own laws (ref: Satyarh Prakash), so if a soul attain supreme perfection, it must get out of the birth-death cycles.

      I clearly said that “Veda – the knowledge – is part of existence and hence eternal”. I just questioned the time of revealation to humans. 1.98B years doesn’t make sense – and Yes I did read Satyarth Parkash. We cannot escape truth by claiming that “cerain things” cannot be explained by Darwin’s theory of evolution hence it is wrong. To a neutral or cynic person, even Vedas don’t explain multiple things. That debate can be as eternal. Only way out is to seek convergence. Where is it? We don’t know yet… I, you Vik, Agniveer, Swami DS and billions others… When we attempt to discuss Truth-the colorful, black&whiteFAQs written by mortals cannot convince me. And I am saying that with total respect for Agniveer’s important work.

      • 1. Perfection is a process. These Rishis may have been the ones who were just one step away from perfection.
        2. Salvation is not permanent. Even after salvation, soul returns back to world after a long period.
        3. Between Vedas and evolution theory, I would say evolution is significantly less explanatory through its deductive approach superimposed by postulates that have no basis from observed experiments. Its a blind science and hence with significant gaps.
        4. I agree that our understanding may change over time. What has been proposed in article is best known as per vedas today. If that is wrong, Vedas say : Accept truth and reject the wrong. But till today, evolution theory is not convincing enough to be accepted blindly. Gaps are really huge.
        5. What has been proposed in the article is as per Shabda Praman and Anuman-Tark (Literary references and Arguments/logic). What evolutionists do is a micro-amount of random experiments here and there and developing fancy theories from there which have no proven validity. Kindly research yourself and study the counter views and their failure to explain things like origin of life, language, intellect, morality and why only humans got intelligence and no other species?

        But still, as a true Vedic follower, we leave the scope for alternative interpretations and even willingness to change our stand if facts and evidence say so. Also, what is written in this article or any article on vedas, for that matter, is simply our best interpretation. There is no binding on anyone, in fact it is discouraged, to accept them blindly. All we request is to research on them, explore other alternative theories also, and sincerely accept only what is considered true by you to best of your intentions. Even if that means outright rejection of Vedas, one should do so. Only caution is that this should happen through a genuine desire to realize truth and not for anyother reason whatsoever. This process may take ages, but only pursuit of truth can justify the purpose of living.


  • So, very respectfully to Shri Agniveer and Swami DS, I refuse to believe that Vedas were revealed to human rishis 1.98 billion years ago. Not until, either scientist change the date of arrival of humans to that, or our own Vedic research reveal some convergence of evolution and Vedic concepts.
    I am extremely respectful to the Vedic religion as well as both shri Agniveer and swami DS. I am also exteremly respectful to the scientifc theories of relativity, quantum theory and theory of evolution. I KNOW, somewhere there is a clear convergence. I know that I don't know where it is. 🙂

    If we, the Vedic religion lovers, attempt to find that convergence point, Vedas will be seen as true souce of knowledge… what a win-win…IF we dont even attempt… Vedas will be seen no different from B&Q.

  • I personally, with my limited knowledge, see no conflict in creation of Veda and the Theory of evolution! I believe that enlightenment (acquiring of knowledge aka acquitring of Veda) is possible for any deserving person and not just those 4 rishis. Ishwar cannot be partial and only four rishis cannot be deserving ones. So even today, I believe, deserving people in right meditative state can get the same knowledge (Vid).
    IF this concept is accepted, the hard to accept statement of Veda revealation being 1.98 billion old is not needed. Veda – the knowledge – is part of existence and hence eternal. So time frame doesn't matter. As to when it was revealed to humans, it cannot be done before humans exist. Humans exist, according to Theory of evolution – which I believe while being a theist – for less than a million years. Approximately and yes scientist are still modifying the date but they are not too far off (like by a billion years).
    Modern knowledge must require us to probe the earlier interpretations of Veda and bring us closer to assimilation of Veda and many (if not all) modern scientific theories. IF that is not done, we CANNOT effectively counter the nonsensical concepts nad Abrahamic religions.

    … continued…

    • Refer research on origin of life, origin of intelligence in humans and origin of language and that makes sure that certain things cannot be explained by evolution. And combining evolution and theism to explain these would ultimately reduce to Vedic concept – that evolution happened for creation of earth, but not for humans coming from apes. And intelligence, language in humans started from a common point so that it continues even till today in largely same direction and pace everywhere, barring isolated exceptions.

  • Excellent initiative Agniveer!
    Definitions form foundation and so are essential to understanding new concepts.
    Problems occur when Vedic knowledge is defined in terms of Abrahamic concepts.