- Sita’s Agnipariksha in Ramayan
- Polygamy in Hinduism
- FAQ on Hinduism – IITian thrashes Zakir Naik
- ‘Concept of God in Hinduism’
- Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Vedas (Part 3)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Bhavishya Puran (Part 2)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)
Immediately after I published my analysis of Dr Zakir Naik’s views on Hinduism, I started receiving hate mails. However I also received a soft-copy of another book of his “Answers to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions about Islam”. This is another masterpiece of his sophism. I have already glimpsed through videos of his lectures where he recites this book line by line. Many rebuttals of this book are already available.
However what perturbed me, was another set of misconceptions he attempts to breed regarding Hinduism through his self-proclaimed research. I can understand why Dr Zakir Naik has to spend so much space discussing Hinduism in an article on Muslims, and so much space discussing Islam in an article on Hinduism (See in FAQ on Hinduism)! This apparent confusion emerges from the fact that in current political, social and cultural situation, 80 crore Hindus form the most ideal conversion ground for Islamic Research Foundation. Peace TV managed by Dr Zakir Naik even announced this a few months ago that they would make Hindustan a Darul-Islam in next 5 years.
Further, many Muslims believe in a prophecy that once India is conquered, only then would Jesus Christ come again and will bring end of the world. After that, Judgment Day would happen and they will go to Paradise to have their virgins and luxuries forever! The lure is too tempting for the uncultivated mind to drop all sense of reasoning!
In this article, I shall cover the first question he addresses – POLYGAMY.
Dr Zakir Naik has tried to prove that Hinduism is inherently a polygamous religion. He states on Page 4 of the book:
“The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.
Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives.”
He continues giving some census data from sources best known to him alone that polygamy is more popular among Hindus than Muslims.
I shall not dwell into what Polygamy means in Islam of Zakir Naik – whether marrying 4 wives in total in entire life, or keeping the total number of existing wives at 4 by divorcing old ones as one marries new ones, or having special provision of 9/11/16/++ for those having revelations, or permitting marriage with babies, or whether keeping unlimited slaves and not counting them as legal wives and thus skewing census data. These issues have been dealt with by a large number of people including women-rights organizations, Muslim reformers and ex-Muslims worldwide. Internet lists a large number of such reference sources that you can google upon.
The focus of this article would be explode the myth that “according to Hindu scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes.”
POLYGAMY IN VEDAS
We start with the Vedas because Vedas are considered the foremost authority in matters of Dharma.
1. There is no single mantra in the entire 4 Vedas that even give a hint of supporting more than one wife or more than one husband.
2. Three mantras of Rig Veda, 1.124.7, 4.3.2 and 10.71.4 contain “Jaayeva Patya Ushatee Suvaasaah”. This means that knowledge comes to the scholar in same manner as a dedicated joyous wife comes only to her husband. “Jaaya” means wife and “Pati” means husband. Both appearing in singular implies that only one husband-one wife relation is considered ideal.
3. Rigveda 1.3.3 states that God is like a dedicated wife with high character and purity. This also implies that monogamy alone is considered ideal.
4. Rigveda 10.149.4 compares love between God and devotee like that between dedicated wife and husband. Both “Jaaya” meaning wife and “Patim” meaning husband are used in singular number implying strict monogamy.
5. Rigveda 10.85.20 appeals a bride to expand happiness for her husband. Again both husband and wife are referred in singular.
6. Rigveda 10.85.23 appeals to wife and husband to always have self-control. Its obvious from reference to self-control and singular numbers for both wife and husband that monogamy alone is recommended.
7. All mantras relating to marriage are addressed in dual number to a couple of husband-wife implying one wife for husband and one husband for wife. Some examples are Rig Veda 10.85.24, 10.85.42, 10.85.47 and almost entire 14th Chapter of Atharva Veda which deals with subject of marriage. Most mantras pray for faithful relation for entire life-time.
Please note that Sanskrit has a dual number apart from singular and plural, specifically to remove this confusion that people may have.
8. In Atharva Veda 7.35.4 both husband and wife state that, “You establish me in your heart so that our minds become one and same.”
9. In Atharva Veda 7.38.4, wife says that “You should only be mine. You should not even discuss about other women.” What can be a more clear prohibition of polygamy than this!
10. Atharva Ved 3.30.2 and 14.2.64 also appeal husband and wife to be devoted and faithful to each other.
11. Perhaps Veda provider Ishwar knew that despite all this, some self-proclaimed experts may still find reasons to justify polygamy. Thus certain mantras in Vedas describe demerits of Polygamy.
– Rig Veda 10.105.8 compares existence of multiple wives with multiple worldly miseries.
– Rig Veda 10.101.11 states that a man with two wives is pressed from both sides and weeps like a horse that neighs when pressed from both sides by spokes while driving a chariot.
– Rig Veda 10.101.11 state that two wives make life aimless.
– Atharva Veda 3.18.2 prays that may a woman never face threat of another co-wife.
12. The only mantra that skeptics try to give in favor of polygamy in Vedas is Rig Veda 8.19.36 that contains “Vadhoonaam” and “Satpati” words. However, “Vadhoo” does not mean bride here and instead means powers that provide happiness. “Satpati” means protector of good, just as “Bhoopati” means protector of earth. This is also evident from the Devata or Key subject of the Sukta in which this mantra comes – prayers for charity and donation (Daanastuti). The mantra means that Ishwar gives variety of powers to those who protect truth and good.
POLYGAMY IN RAMAYAN
While it is admitted that Dashrath practiced polygamy, but the essence of entire Ramayan is that polygamy leads to troubles. The polygamy of Dashrath is considered to be the cause of trouble and grief that everyone faced. Ram is considered “Maryada Purushottam” or the “Ideal Man” because he re-established the Vedic norm of monogamy. Same was followed by all his brothers.
POLYGAMY IN MAHABHARAT
By the time of Mahabharat, the moral values of society had declined a lot. Thus none of the characters, apart from Krishna, is considered exemplary in Mahabharat. And that is exactly the reason why Krishna has been targeted the most for character assassination by a variety of forces.
Mahabharat is an extremely adulterated text and is not taken as authentic in totality. The original text was much smaller and over a period of time it expanded to include a lot of things. Unlike Vedas, there was no mechanism to stop adulterations from it. However a close analysis easily exposes that certain popular stories in Mahabharat are pure myths. I give a list here:
a. Krishna was wedded to none except Rukmini. The myth of 16000 wives came from a story where he liberated 16000 captive girls from Narkasur. The story itself is questionable. Further the story never states that Krishna married 16000 girls. It says he protected them, which is true if story is correct. had Krishna married 16000 of them, it would have taken him more than 10 years even at rate of 4 marriages a day as per the prevailing rituals!
b. Krishna was so strictly disciplined that he observed complete Brahmacharya for 12 years before planning to be a father. That is why Krishna is such a role model for entire society. The narrator of Geeta had no time for anything except nation-building in those testing periods.
c. Krishna never had any love-games with any Gopi. These are figments of imaginations which got popular during dark age of foreign rule when rulers of small states indulged in wasteful enjoyments after accepting supremacy of foreign rulers. Further the whole story of Radha is a figment of imagination. It exists only in Brahma Vaivart Puran which is another unscrupulous book like Bhavishya Puran that insults legends like Krishna and Ram. The concept of Radha grew popular only in very recent times during dark age of India when rulers of princely states were busy only in considering themselves Krishna incarnate and indulging into lustful activities by demeaning just a legendary Brahmachari character! Mahabharat does not contain these.
Please read this excellent article by Dr Satya Pal Singh, Police Commissioner of Police, Pune: Lord Krishna – Lord Krishna – an enlightening personality
POLYGAMY IN GENERAL
While polygamy was practiced by certain rulers at various points in time, it was restricted only to ruling class and never became a mainstream in larger population. That is why Hindus had no discomfort or objection to formal introduction of monogamy as a law after independence.
All the great legends of Hinduism, whom many consider to be near God, were purely monogamous or brahmachari- Vishnu, Shankar, Ram, Lakshman, Bharat, Shatrughna, Hanuman and Krishna.
Thus it is a gross myth that Hinduism accepts Polygamy.
On contrary, Vedas are unambiguous over recommendation of monogamy alone. The same has been the trend for general population and our role models.
If there is any philosophy that condemns polygamy and specifically demands monogamy, it is the Hindu Dharma based on noble precepts of Vedas.
Addendum:
On an additional note, I would like to address a few sophism that Dr Zakir Naik indulges into to justify polygamy:
1. Naik – Average life span of women is more than that of men.
By this logic, polyandry (one wife- multiple husband) should be allowed. Because, on average, one wife would require more than 1 husband to cover her entire life!
2. Naik – World female population is more than world male population.
This contradicts previous point. If one looks at 2008 data of World Population as published by UN Statistics Division, there are 2% more males than females in the world! The same is also true for marriageable age discarding children and elders. Does he recommend Polyandry now?
3. Before we get further, let us also look at the countries with worst gender ratio. You can view the list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio
The table has facility to sort by fields. What we observe is that the top 9 countries with more men than women are all Muslim countries. Stricter the Islamic Law, more adverse the gender ratio. There are 2.74 times more men in UAE and 2.46 times in Qatar. India and Pakistan are also is not far off with their significant Muslim population!
4. Naik – Muslim women in due faith could bear a small personal loss to prevent a greater loss of letting other Muslim sisters becoming ‘public properties’.
We just saw the data above. Does Dr Naik recommend the inverse now?
5. In civilized societies like Vedic Dharma, each women apart from one’s wife is viewed as mother, by default. The basic rule is “Matrivat Paradaareshu – All except wife are like my mother”. That is why the question of someone becoming public property does not arise. In wars, legends like Shivaji would bow to imprisoned women and call them mother! And in a society that respects women, the question of adverse gender ratio does not arise as is happening in conservative Muslim countries.
6. What is important is use of word “property” for women. Dr Naik recommends that polygamy enables women to be private property rather than “public property” at small personal loss. This small loss is a great insult to entire womanhood. If sharing of husbands is haram, why is sharing of wife merely a small personal loss? Vedas do not discriminate at all between men and women and provide them equal rights and privileges in all matters including marriage.
Next he lists 4 reasons why polygamy is permitted but polyandry is not permitted:
a. This will help identify father of the child!
(But now we have DNA testing available!)
b. Man by nature is more polygamous!
(What is the proof for this except that polyandry is stoned to death? Is this not a ploy to insult entire womanhood by justifying polygamy?)
c. It is biologically difficult for women to be polyandrous and rear children!
(This is again another shameless reason to justify keeping multiple wives and concubines, in name of religion and social service!)
d. High chance of acquiring sexual disease!
(On contrary, medical science proves that it is women who are more susceptible to contract such diseases from polygamous men than vice versa. Being a medical student sometime, Dr Naik should have verified at least this much before publication. Or perhaps he never got a chance to practice or get back to medical books!)
Wise can decide themselves the mentality of this admirer of Osama bin Laden.
In summary, Polygamy is a malpractice, quite aptly condemned by the Vedas. Hinduism guided by Vedas and its role models has always emphasized on monogamy and self-control as the only way for humans.
Efforts to justify polygamy, through whatever reasons, is an insult to entire womanhood.
May such deviant minds introspect and come into the shade of Vedas. May they inculcate feeling of respect for entire Matru-Shakti.
This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/4982/polygamy-hinduism-hi/
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@Qul huwa Allahu ahad
Assalamualaikum.
Why did you addressed me by using Ankur’s name?
Islam wants us to be honest at least – Avoid to do such which can create a bad Impression about Islam – Can we tell a lie while doing dawah? Allah doesn’t allow it brother!
And I’m sorry I’ve 2 point out this, but my aim isn’t to mere point out figures but to defend Islam so forgive me 4 it just for Allah. This is just a minor correction so don’t take it to heart.
You said I shouldn’t take this website so seriously. The only thing I’m taking seriously is Islam, & I’ll take seriously anything related with it. One can defend his/her faith at least.
And yes as I’m not an Indian, I do not understand the meaning of typical-Hindi-words. One can learn about others religion so that one can b able to say his/her belief in Islam isn’t blind – But doing all this ones faith in Islam should b remained unshaken – My knowledge is too limited, I’m just learning. i believe in Allah. And I mean I BELIEVE IN ALLAH.
Fee-amanillah.
@Maria IslamicDefence: Thats the way to go…A suggestion though you didint ask, one must live this life in the pursuit of the ultimate truth, keep on acquiring knowledge and rejecting falsehood based on logic and critical thought, take nothing at its face value, be always critical of everything that is based on tradition or belief system, accept things only when the intellect is able to assimilate it in ones heart. but one has to start from the scratch (keeping the knowledge acquired as a decision making tool) and proceed from there on , the ONLY thing that remains as the basis of all this excersie is the firm faith in the ONEand only almighty GOD(Ishwar).
OM.
@Ankur
Agreed.
But when someone pick out a verse from Qur’an & say it’s illogical, I start searching, start gaining knowledge & sooner or later ultimately the Qur’an wins. As I said my knowledge isn’t enough so often I fail to prove somethings then I often think this is my own fault/disability not the fault of Qur’an. Now I’m 19, there r some ideologies which seem to b illogical to me at least 3-4 years back, but now all these ideologies r clear to me. I’m still learning so In-Shaa-Allah in future everything will b cleared to me. Allah, I believe in Him. There are some reasons,you’d not understand, because this is my personal experience, He never leaves me alone in lurch, always helpful – Whenever I pray, I say O Allah I believe in your book & your prophet so help me , strangely he helps me. If Qur’an isn’t His words then Y He helps me. So I often think if I’d not believe in Allah, Allah’s book then it means I’m unthankful/unjust to Allah –
All this is my personal experience so I not saying u to believe in me but I’ll believe in Allah to bitter end. I often pray to Allah to keep on very very true path & I hope my beloved Allah keeps me on right path.
@Maria IslamicDefence : Very nice to read you words 🙂 No doubt that the Almighty renders his help(in the ways you understand) to you when you ask with the true heart. but that has noting to do with the Quran or the prophet of Islam.The kind of experience that you talk about is felt by people of all faith be it Christians,Buddhists, Hindus or any other faith who believe in the supreme.
One thing, No human can be unjust/unfaithful to the supreme,the Sun does not mind if a candle is burning or not, in the same way as is said earlier what humans does not & cannot matter to the Almighty.
Regarding 7:11 you explanation is too naive, if the Angels thought that Allah’s creation was so magnificent,they should certainly have bowed to Allah instead of his creation “Adam” , Analogy; when Edison created/invented the light bulb , people gave him respect and acknowledged him for his greatness rather than showing respect and prostrating to the “Light bulb”
Besides Now that you are here for good, let me ask you a few more question regarding Quran.
Lest go with the FIRST question (lot many to come after we are done with this one )
The contradiction between verses 2:136 and 5:51
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21124
@Ankur
Case-1-
Your words:
“Regarding 7:1 if the Angels thought that Allah’s creation was so magnificent,they should certainly have bowed to Allah instead of his creation “Adam” , Analogy; when Edison created/invented the light bulb , people gave him respect and acknowledged him for his greatness rather than showing respect and prostrating to the “Light bulb”.
Re:
And If Allah wanted them (Angels) to bow before Adam then? They considered that Allah’s creation was magnificent but it was Allah’s order to bow to him (Adam).
They also praised Allah for that but also prostrated to Adam after Allah’s order.
Edison Invented light bulb, people gave respect to him but after that if Edison wanted people to b prostrated to light bulb, people would had to b prostrated.
What is the problem?
Case-2-
Verse:
“say we believe in Allah and that which hath been sent down unto us and that which was sent down unto Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqub and the tribes,and that which was given to Musa and lsa, and that which was given to the (other) prophets from their Lord; we differentiate not between any of them, and unto Him are submissive.(2:136)”.
Your words:
“so the first verse(2:136) says that there is no distinction exists for a beleiving muslim in any of the revelations for jews & christians(& others) and Islam.”
Re:
See, What is Allah saying in the verse, Allah says,” we should BELIEVE In Allah & which has been sent unto Muhammad & to other prophets i.e Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqub, Musa and lsa & other Prophets.
And should believe in all & differentiate not any of them (Prophet) [ when Allah say we shouldn’t differentiate here Allah means to say we should BELIEVE IN ALL, that they all were Prophets, If we say we believe in some & don’t believe in some of them then it means we are DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THEM.]
Yes their is no distinction for a believing Muslim in any of the revelations that has been sent to them [Again here we should BELIEVE IN ALL BOOKS in order to create no any distinction, that these were given to the Prophets i.e Torah, Zaboor, Injeel, Qur’an & many other books we don’t know their names (as in Qur’an by name there are mentioned only 4 books so we know the names of only 4 books).
So we shouldn’t differentiate among Prophets & their books. But what is the SCALE by which one can measure that one is differentiating or not? That SCALE is “ONES BELIEF”.
IF I SAY I BELIEVE IN ALL PROPHETS & IN ALL BOOKS IT MEANS I”M NOT DIFFERENTIATING.
The verse doesn’t say to follow the teachings of all books. Go read the Tafseer of this verse. There is another verse, says “if someone wanna believe in some & disbelieve in some they wanna create distinction & they are the real kafirz” (Qur’an).
Verse:
“O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Nazarenes as friends: friends they are to each other: and whosoever of you befriendeth them, verily he is of them; verily Allah guideth not a wrong-doing people.(5:51)”.
Your words:
“(5:51) forbids the same beleiving muslim not to take jews and christians(who ufortunately believe in the revelations to which a beleiving muslims must make not distinction as per 2:136) as friend as they are enemies of Islam(because they are christians & Jews as they belive in the earlier revelations of Allah) and are cursed?”
Re:
The above verse doesn’t say Jews were cursed (because of their sins) but there is another verse which say so.
I had explained already that verse forbids the Muslims from taking *Patronage* from Jews & Christians. They can b remained as friends as long as one keep his/her faith In Islam strong & if ones aim is to Dawah.
(“God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them 60:8) (Do not argue with the people of the Book, unless it is in the politest manner.”(29:46)
They are not believing in the same book Bible ( Torah & Injeel) which was revealed by Allah but they are believing the book being concocted. Bible (combined form of Gospel & Law) is a concocted form, christians have no proof to back up their cult of a religion. Their book has been changed dozens of times just to suit themselves and to suit the times changing. One shouldn’t change the word of God just because times have changed, that wont make it Gods word anymore it will make it man made or one can say concocted/interpolated.
According to Qur’an Gospel & Law are “Mansukh” means their teachings were for the people of that time only.
There is no contradiction.
@Maria IslamicDefence :[knew you would need some additiona help 🙂 ] Regarding 7:11 we are back to square One, that question that i asked initially and you responsed with the logic of “Adam being a magnificient creation…”, so here it is Again
why would Allah Order XYZ to bow to someone except hiself that too that which was his own creation
now please dont say “Allah knows best or it was Allahs will”(which obviosuly you cannot know unless you know how Allah thinks)
Edison Invented light bulb, people gave respect to him but after that if Edison wanted people to b prostrated to light bulb, people would had to b prostrated.
Now could you give me one reason why Edison would have asked people to prostrate to the light bulb!
its just “My way or highway kind of ideology” to justify 7:11
Regarding the contradiction between 5:51 and 2:136 refer the below link , Read it (it is a convers with Another Muslim friend, on the same top he/she too used the word “patron”, guess this is the common deception technique). then come back and read the rest,request you to respond here if you have to add valuable info
http://agniveer.com/hate-zakir/#comment-20882
Regarding the concotion of christians/jews books i hope you would remember that Todays Quran was compiled by Uthaman…
According to Qur’an Gospel & Law are “Mansukh” means their teachings were for the people of that time only.
How would you reconcile the fact the quran that you quote is Uthman’s compilation and there is no way to Know if Allah really said this to Muhammad,may be had he not burnt every single copy of other existing qurans before coming up with todays quran.
@maria, just read my reply here ..
http://satyagni.com/islam-and-hinduism-debate/#comment-58691
please read..
@jai shankar (fake id banane wala),manushya yudh karta hai to wo bahar ke khshetra me jeet jata hoga par aksar ye paya jaata hai ke wo antas ke khshetra me hara hua hi paya jata hai, sikandar mahan bahar to jeeta par bhiter ki ladai wo haar gaya, jaate waqt dono haat khali chod gaya,hara hua mara.Is liye ye maat samjana jo bahar jeet jata hai wo bhitar bhi jeet jayega.Tum abhi mera fake id bananewale,bahot hi kacche ho,kunkune ho.Dr,zakir naik kya kahta hai is se kya sabit hoga,koi pagal sannipat me bukhar me badbadata hai to bhudhimani usko dekhte nahi balki haste hai,aur uske nadani par taras khate hai, karuna se usko dekhte hai ki ye abhi tak bhimar kyo hua hai balki swastya ki aushadhi to uske bhitar hi padi hai.uska upyog na kar ke wo bhimar hi hone ko raji hai.VED ME YA PURAN ME ZIKRA HONE SE KOI MAHAN HOTA HOGA TO VED ME RAKSHASONKA BHI VARNAN HAI,TO WO BHI KYA MAHAN HO GAYE? Keval varanan hone se ya naam hone se koi bhi praman satya siddha nahi hota,ex. Deta hu maine ek quran ke jaisi kitab likhi aur usme likha ki bachho tum raat me bahar der tak ghumne mat jana BHAHAR BADA HI KHUNKAR OSMA LADEN tumko pakad lega.To kya koi mere kitab KO OSAMA LADEN KI KITAB KAHEGA,YA FIR MERE KITAB ME OSAMA KA ZIKRA HAI TO OSAMA MAHAN HOGA KYA? Tum socho ki osama ko tum mahan kahoge to tumara dimag kharab nahi ho gaya hai.DR.ZAKIR NAIK JAB VED AUR PURAN KA HAWALA DETA HAI TO HINDU HASTE HAI KI DR.ZAKIR NAIK KA DIMAG KHARAB HO GAYA HAI.BIMARI ME KUCH KA KUCH BADBADA RAHA HAI.Ravi shankar jab zakir naik se dialogue karne gaye to peace peace kahne lage.tumara matlab phir kya unko khoon khoon ,maro maro kahna tha kya? Zara socho agar wo dr.zakir naik ko ek ZORDAR GAL PAR TAMACHA MARTE TO KYA HOTA KHUD DR.ZAKIR NAIK PEACE PEACE KAHTE TALIYA BAJATE AUR BAKI KE LOG USKA SWAGAT KARTE KI DEKHO DR.ZAKIR NAIK PEACE PEACE KAH RAHE HAI.Tab sharam se pani pani hone ka bhi khyal unko na aata log bhala itni tarif kar rahe hai aur main sharam se pani pani ho raha hu,kaisa kanbakt hu.AB KITAB TO LIKH CHUKE AUR LAKHO NE PADHA TAB USKO GALAT SABIT KAR NE KYA HOGA .LOG KAISI GALATI KI HAI YE DEKNE KE LIYE PAHALE HINDU HI USKO PADHTE THE PAR MUSALMAN BHI PADH RAHE HAI,DEKHE TO KOUN SI GALTI HAI IS ME.TAB BEWAKUF KOUN BANA RAVI SHANKAR KI DR ZAKIR NAIK.HINDU KI KOI BHI KTAB KHASKAR DHARMIK SOCH VICHAR SE NAHI LIKHI JATI.MOUJ SE ,AANAND SE, MASTI SE,PREM SE LIKHI JATI HAI.SOCH VICHAR SE TO KOI MASHIN ,YANTRA KE MAN JAISA ,JADBUDDHI WALA HI KAR SAKTA HAI JISKO APNA ULLU SIDHA KARNA HO WOHI AISE KAAM KAREGA.HINDU TO MAJE LETE HAI,ANAND ME DUBTE HAI AUR TUM UNKO BEWAKUF KAH RAHE HO. Abhi bhi der nahi hui jaag jao Atta dipa bhav khud ke diye khud bano.
Adan jo hai wo bahut hi miss-understanding se bhari hai.Allahu Akbar -god is great matlab allah mahan hai.ye sabit karta hai ki allah mahan pahle nahi tha ab mahan hai.ex.deta hu taki samaj me aasani hogi, jab hum chote bachhe ko jab bada hua to kahte hai aadmi hua ab baccha nahi raha.Admi ko hum bada kahte hai is liye ki kabhi wo chota tha us ke mukable me. TO YAHA ALLAH IS GREAT KAHNA KI KABHI WO SIMIT KABILE TAK RAHA HO AUR AB MAHAN HO GAYA HO.KABHI WO BHI MAHAN NAHI THA AISA SIDDHA HOTA HAI.AUR EK BAAT PUKTA HAI KI ALLAH MAHAN NAHI HAI WO KAISE DEKHO ‘ALLAH MAHAN HAI ‘AUR ‘MAHAN JO HAI WO ALLAH HAI ‘ IN DONO ME BHED KYA HAI PAHLE ME SIRF ALLAH KI AURO KE SAAT TULNA HUI,AUR BHI MAHAN HO SAKTA HAI YE NA DIKHANE KE LIYE. PAR DUSRE ME JO JO BHI MAHAN HOGA WO ALLAH HOGA.TULNA KE LIYE KOI BHI NAHI BACHA.TO ADAN KA PAHLA SENTENCE HI GALAT HO RAHA HAI MAHAN JO HAI WO ALLAH HAI AISA AGAR KAHA HOTA TO BAAT SAHI THI.AUR IS ME EK KHAMI HAI JO NAJAR NAHI AATI.ALLAH AGAR MAHAN HO GAYA TO JO CHOTA HAI AANU KE JAISA HAI WO KOUN HAI ? YE MANA KI ALLAH MAHAN HAI TAB SAWAL UTHTA HAI KI CHOTE SE AANU ME KOUN HAI?YAHA SARE MUSLIMO KO HAAR MANNI PADTI HAI.PAR HINDU KAHTE HAI AANU RENU SE BHI CHOTA AUR MAHAN SE BHI MAHAN WO HAI.(ANURENUYAT MAHTOMAHT ) AB TUM HI SOCHO KOUN SAHI HAI AUR KOUN GALAT.ADAN KA PAHALA VAKYA HI AADHA HAI TO BAKI SAB KAISE PURNA HOGA. JAGO MUSLIMO JAGO HINDU TUMSE KAHI AAGE JA CHUKE HAI AUR TUM ABHI BHI SOYE HO.SUBHAH HO CHUKI HAI AUR TUM CHADAR ODH KE MAT SO O !
@Ankur
Verse:
“say we believe in Allah and that which hath been sent down unto us and that which was sent down unto Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqub and the tribes,and that which was given to Musa and lsa, and that which was given to the (other) prophets from their Lord; we differentiate not between any of them, and unto Him are submissive.(2:136)”.
Your words:
“so the first verse(2:136) says that there is no distinction exists for a beleiving muslim in any of the revelations for jews & christians(& others) and Islam.”
Re:
See, What is Allah saying in the verse, Allah says,” we should BELIEVE In Allah & which has been sent unto Muhammad & to other prophets i.e Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqub, Musa and lsa & other Prophets.
And should believe in all & differentiate not any of them (Prophet) [ when Allah say we shouldn’t differentiate here Allah means to say we should BELIEVE IN ALL, that they all were Prophets, If we say we believe in some & don’t believe in some of them then it means we are DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THEM.]
Yes their is no distinction for a believing Muslim in any of the revelations that has been sent to them [Again here we should BELIEVE IN ALL BOOKS in order to create no any distinction, that these were given to the Prophets i.e Torah, Zaboor, Injeel, Qur’an & many other books we don’t know their names (as in Qur’an by name there are mentioned only 4 books so we know the names of only 4 books).
So we shouldn’t differentiate among Prophets & their books. But what is the SCALE by which one can measure that one is differentiating or not? That SCALE is “ONES BELIEF”.
IF I SAY I BELIEVE IN ALL PROPHETS & IN ALL BOOKS IT MEANS I”M NOT DIFFERENTIATING.
The verse doesn’t say to follow the teachings of all books. Go read the Tafseer of this verse. There is another verse, says “if someone wanna believe in some & disbelieve in some they wanna create distinction & they are the real kafirz” (Qur’an).
Verse:
“O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Nazarenes as friends: friends they are to each other: and whosoever of you befriendeth them, verily he is of them; verily Allah guideth not a wrong-doing people.(5:51)”.
Your words:
“(5:51) forbids the same beleiving muslim not to take jews and christians(who ufortunately believe in the revelations to which a beleiving muslims must make not distinction as per 2:136) as friend as they are enemies of Islam(because they are christians & Jews as they belive in the earlier revelations of Allah) and are cursed?”
Re:
The above verse doesn’t say Jews were cursed (because of their sins) but there is another verse which say so.
I had explained already that verse forbids the Muslims from taking *Patronage* from Jews & Christians. They can b remained as friends as long as one keep his/her faith In Islam strong & if ones aim is to Dawah.
(“God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them 60:8) (Do not argue with the people of the Book, unless it is in the politest manner.”(29:46)
They are not believing in the same book Bible ( Torah & Injeel) which was revealed by Allah but they are believing the book being concocted. Bible (combined form of Gospel & Law) is a concocted form, christians have no proof to back up their cult of a religion. Their book has been changed dozens of times just to suit themselves and to suit the times changing. One shouldn’t change the word of God just because times have changed, that wont make it Gods word anymore it will make it man made or one can say concocted/interpolated.
According to Qur’an Gospel & Law are “Mansukh” means their teachings were for the people of that time only.
There is no contradiction.
All hindus out here,
i apologise sincerely for my previous comments how i talked about your religion,.
also i apologise on behalf of all those who did the same,.
i will not add much, only that we respect your beliefs, onto you your religion and onto me mine.
we can do that we are not attacking islam only trying to remove lies made by others about our religion
@hinduagnostic
Your words;
“we can do that we are not attacking islam only trying to remove lies made by others about our religion.”
Re;
Really? Maybe you are the doing so. But all Hindus don’t do so. They just mock Islam. Yet we Muslims are trying to remove misconceptions about Islam. We are helping non-Muslims because we are worry for them that if they don’t accept the truth they would have to roasted in Hell-Fire!
Now, Maria whether you have realized it or not but you already have insulted our faith. Your superficial concern for us being roasted in hell fire for supposedly following satanic (Hindu) beliefs tantamount to an indirect affront to all practicing Hindus.
@SDC
I didn’t insulted your faith. Bring here my statements through which i insulted. What I said it’s just my belief. According to my faith if any Muslim will do wrong he would also have to be roasted in Hell-Fire.
Quran teaches me “dont insult others faith”. I’m not Insulting in any way.
“We are helping non-Muslims because we are worry for them that if they don’t accept the truth they would have to roasted in Hell-Fire!”
So, you mean to say their beliefs are false. Is this not an insult?
@SDC
Nah! This is not an insult in any way when I say your belief is wrong.
Do you mean to say you’re Insulting by taking my belief as wrong?
If you’re insulting others then Y r u trying to convince me to not insult others?
Or do you mean you’re not insulting others considering Islam to b true belief ? Come one brother! stop prattling at least. If a someone is an Atheist it means he considers other to b wrong, same for all other people beliefs because truth is only one.
@Maria
Prophet said kill the non-believers wherever you found them and killing of women and children also legitimate if they belong from kaffirs/non-believer as per prophet of Islam.
Then in that case, why do you object to others calling Mohammad a rapist, pedophile, and looter based on his actions? And, why do you have to address them as hatemongers and his teachings not worthy of emulation? At least, an atheist will be far better than a muslim as he will not issue death warrants against those who do not believe in atheism. At best, he can make fun of those.
Then in that case, why do you object to others calling Mohammad a rapist, pedophile, and looter based on his actions? And, why do you have to address them as hatemongers and his teachings not worthy of emulation? At least, an atheist will be far better than a muslim as he will not issue death warrants against those who do not believe in atheism. At best, he can make fun of them.
My dear friend Javed,
I only read hate comments on various sites especialy between Hindu and Muslims and never ever said anything to anybody. You are the only one whom I talking to regarding this, We as Hindu or Sanatan or more precisly as human being sees God in every creature, Therefore never hurts anybody’s sentiments by claim God is our only or by hurting others in any mean in the name of religion, doing so we actuly going against the God. I don’t know what your earlier comment was, but I can say that people like you are the real son of God or allah. A lot to say but I will be closing by saying that the ‘God is one and he is watching.’
good i real thought………….
@rsdfgg,pagalonme awwal,tu pahale apne chitt ko saf kar,shudh kar sab vishwas se mukt ho ja swikar kar ki allah ek mithak hai,false concept hai,muhammad ki dimagi soch hai.fir tuze mai ved ka gyan dunga….ha.ha.ha..bina allah ka vichar liye ved ka gyan nahi mil sakta tu quran chod .ved ka eshwar tabhi samaj me aata hai, jab man sahit sari indriya samapt hoti hai.sirf shudh aatma hi ved ke eshwar ko dekh sakti hai. “‘yato vache nirvtrantre mansa sah aanandam brameti vidvan na bhibheti kadachan”‘ tu ye dushit man se ved ke eshwar ko nahi jaan sakta.allah khud dushit raha hoga isliye to us ne gande man ko saaf karne ki baat hi nahi ki??ha.ha.ha….sirf sharir dhone se koi shudh hota to sabun bananewale sabse bade kahlate???ha.ha.ha….
@TRUE MUSLIM,wa bhai kya khub baat kahi?? Ye kaise sabit hoga ki allah zinda bhi ya murda bhi hai? Agar tum usko zinda kahte ho to kaha jivan bita raha,jee kaha raha hai???sanse kaha le raha hai??ab jab jinda hai to uska food kya hai???wo jivan kis stan me bita raha hai,duniya ke andar ya duniya ke bahar?? ha.ha.ha….wo zinda hai to marta kyo nahi?? Kyo ki zinda hota hai use marna bhi padega,nahi zinda kyo hua??ha.ha.ha.. ab tum kahoge ki wo na zinda hai na mara hai amar hai to amar allah zinda aur murda ko kaise pahachanega??kyo ki jo zinda hoga wahi to murda hona kya hai ye janega aur jo murda hoga wo hi zinda hona kya hai isko janega??to ye zinda aur murda amar allah ko bina exprience ke kaise pata chalega??kya wo bhi kabhi mara hai????ha .ha.ha…ALLAH EK MITHAK HAI,EK FALSE CONCEPT HAI..ye siddha hua.
@maria,kyo jhuti tasalli de rahi ho..man ki suraksha kar ke Truth se nahi bach sakti. Satya akhir satya hota hi hai.tum kahti ho mai kisi bhi faith ka insult nahi karti aur koi muslim wrong hai to allah dojakh ki aag me dalega to.yahi to hum nahi chahte ki tum dojhak ki aag me na pado.HUM ARYA VEDANTI ALLAH SE BHI JYADA MERCIFUL AUR PEACEFUL HAI.KOI BHI AADMI WRONG HO TO BHI WO BHAGWAN SE MIL SAKTA HAI.hamara bhagwan wrong logonpar mercy dikhata hai prem dhikhata hai.krishna ko jisne teer mara us nishad bhil ko usne maf kiya.kya muhammad ko koi mar dalata to wo use zinda chodkar usko maf karta ki ki tune aaccha kiya muze mara????itani daya aur karuna muhammad dikhata jaise krishna ne dhikhai??
@jai shankar
As my native language is Urdu not Hindi, the words of yours I didn’t make understand “suraksha” & “Satya akhir satya hota hi hai”.
However, I get all over what you said. You say that you Vedanti r more peaceful. yes there’re but NOT all. I have seen myself many rancorous scurrilous ferocious hate mongers among u. In my last comment I said “I didn’t insult your faith”. If you are not agree I’m sure I’ll not get heart attack. Keep on disagreeing!
And he say: O my Lord! these are a folk who believe not. So turn away from them and say (to them): Salam (peace)! They will come to know soon.(43:88-89)
So I turn away & say “Peace”.
Surah109:
1- Say: O you who reject your faith.
6- To you be your way to me mine.
So I say, unto you your faith unto me mine.
@ mariya ….ji yah jo apne kutran ki anaram ayte pesh ki hai vamakki ayte hai jio kuran ki any ayto se radd ho chuki hai jara kuran ki garam ayte bhi dekh lijiye dekhe kuran 9/123 jisme kurani allah muslimo se kahate hai ki apne aspas ke gairmuslimo se lado aur unpar salkhti karo ! dekhe kuran 33/61 jisme fitkare huye gair muslim jahan kahi paye jayenge buiri tarah katl kiye jayenge ! dekhe kuran 8/65 jisme kurani allah muahammad ji se kahate hai ki muslimo ko jehad ke liye ubhaaro ? agar vah 20 muslim jame rahe to vqh 200 gair muslimo par prabhavi honge ? jis kitab me aisi bate ho uski to sangati hi turant chhod deni chahiye samajh dar muslim manvata vadi muslim intarnet me likhne vale muislim padhe likhe muslimo ko to yah kary turant kar lena chahiye isme jyada samajhdari kahalayi jayegi !
Haan aap ney sahi quote kya hai lakin aap sirf ayaat uthatey hai jo context kay bahir hota hai aur dosron ko bhadka rahay hai tau aap ki galat femi hai k hm bhadkay gaen kyun hum saidhay raastay par hain…… Allah apnay bandon ki hamesha madad karta hai is liya jab Musalman sifr 313 aur kaafir 1000 thay phir bhi musalman battle jeeth gaye tha kyun k sab kuch Allah kay haath main hootha hai aur wo apnay momin bandon ki madad zaroor karta hai………
@true muslim, jab kuran hi betarteeb hai to fir hamko kyo dosh de rahe hai? jis ayat ka hamne sabut diya hai vah kyo muslimo ke liye pesh ki gayi ? kurani allah to muhhamd ji ko santan dekar bhi unki ankho ke samne chhin leta hai ! batlaiye kurani alalh ne santan di kyo aur kyo chhin li ?jab kurani allah ka hi sidha rasta bnahi hai tab usko manne vale kaise sidhe raste par ho sakte hai ? yuddh karke to pakistan bhi ban gaya fir bhi pakistanapne ko pura bacha nahi paya aaj bhi ashanti ki bharmar pakistan me maujud hai muahammd ji ko majburan kahana pada ki islam 73 firko me bant jayega aj to yah 350 firko me bant chuka hai batlaiye kurani allah ko yah sab kyo manjur hua muahammd ji ke damad v sasur aur unke navase husain ji muslimo ke hatho hi mare jaye yah kurani allah ko kyo manjur huya? amerika ke hantho saddam husain aur laden kyo mara gaya yah kurani allah ko kyo manjur huya ?aj islami atankvadi kai lakh manushyo ki hatya kar hai hai aur muslim bhi mare ja rahe hai yah kyo kurani allah ko manjur ho raha hai ?
@ Mariya ji kuran kitni ajeeb kitab hai? ap kuran se apne paksh me achhi ayate bhi pesh kar leti hai aur hamko bhi kuran ki gandi ayte bhi mil jati hai jo manvta ke viruddh hoti hai itni paraspar virodhi bate kuran me kyo hai ?
Raj.hyd…Allah Pak ney challenge kia tha kaafon ko k agar tm Quran ko galat samjty ho tau sirf aik aisa chapter bnao…..Allah ye kehtay hai 2/22 keh .”And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur’an) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful.”
@Truth seeker
Prophet (PBUH) said kill the non-believers wherever you found them in battle field.
Your words:
killing of women and children also legitimate if they belong from kaffirs/non-believer as per prophet of Islam.
Re:
False charge!
It is narrated by Ibn ‘Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah forbade the killing of women and children. (Sahih Al Bukhari chapter Prohibition of women & child in war)
Ibn Umar reported: Prophet (PBUH) said, “A believer continues to guard his Faith so long as he does not shed blood unjustly”.
[Al-Bukhari].
@raj.hyd
You point out three verses , iIll explain them.
==>O Ye who believe! fight the infidels who are near unto you, and surely let them find in you sternness, and know that Allah is with the God-fearing, (9:123)
Explanation:
This verse is about the fighting in battle-field or with those kafirz who try to terrorize Muslims. If a non-Muslims doesn’t harm Muslims then this order would not apply. (1) Ibn Umar reported: Prophet (PBUH) said, “A believer continues to guard his Faith so long as he does not shed blood unjustly”.[Al-Bukhari].(2) Qur’an says: “God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them.” (60:8) A just & fair commander of an Army will give the same instructions to his soldiers. And If someone try to hurt u with a gun would u not fight with him with a mop? would that look peaceful or not?
==>Truly if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time: (33:60)
Abdul Daryabadi : Accursed; wherever found they shall be laid hold of and slain with a relentless slaughter.(33:61)
Explanation:
Do you know here what “Hypocrites” really mean? When u look at history you would know at the time of war some Mushrikeen of Makkah claimed to b accepted Islam but in really they were Hypocrite. There aim was to deliver the secret plans of Muslims to Non-Muslims by falsely pretending as Muslims there aim was just to make the Muslims to lick the dust in war -They were Hypocrites. Allah ordered to kill them, This is the most wise & right decision, can b made by any commander of army. If now such a hypocrite is caught by
someone I hope you know well what happen to him.
==>O Prophet! urge the believers unto fighting. If there be twenty of you persevering, they will overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred, they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who understand not.(8:65)
Explanation:
Same as (9:123). Here Allah is giving courage to the Muslims. He assure Muslims of His help. nothing is wrong with it.
In Burma more than 30000 Muslims are killed by Budhisht non-Muslims, 4000 were burnt alive, 90,000 are made force to leave their country. Thus far, the 10 million Muslims of Burma are reduced to 500 thousand; and only Allaah subhanahu wa ta’Ala knows what really happened to 9,500,000.What about all these? Jihad is necessary here.The Word Jihad actually stems from Juhd, to strive/struggle. This is encouraged and can be for anything to please God. It is a jihad to get up in the morning to go to pray and to go to work, it is a jihad to go school in the rain. etc.
Personal Jihad: The most excellent jihad is that of the soul. This jihad, called the Jihadun-Nafs, is the intimate struggle to purify the soul of satanic influence–both subtle and overt. It is the struggle to cleanse one’s spirit of sin. This is the most important level of jihad.
Verbal Jihad: On another occasion, the Prophet said, “The most excellent jihad is the speaking of truth in the face of a tyrant.” He encouraged raising one’s voice in the name of Allah on behalf of justice.
Physical Jihad: This is combat waged in defense of Muslims against oppression and transgression by the enemies of Allah, Islam and Muslims. We are commanded by Allah to lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone, but also to defend ourselves against oppression by “fighting against those who fight against us.” This “jihad with the hand” is the aspect of jihad that has been so profoundly misunderstood in today’s world.
@budhism hinduon ka eik part hai, hindu apni counting barhane k liye budhuon ko bhi hindu mante hain. bodh dharam apne aap ko ahinsa/non-violence ka mazhab batlata hai aur burma main aurto ka rape karna logon ko zinda jalana aam baat hai.
rohingiye musalman mehnat kush mazdoor hain jo ki kisi had tak buzdil hain, wahan do girls ne islam accept kar liya tha isliye sara hungama hua..
maloom rahe ki India mein dwarika eik city hai jo shri krishna ki taraf mansoob hai usmein 5000 temples hain….aur phir bhi aryasamji kehte hain hindu dharam mein moorti ki ibadat nahi hoti??? phir hindu mazhab kahan hai???
jo mazhab eik city mein 5000 temples rakhta ho woh eik soonsaan jagah banai masjid kisi ki paidaish ki jagah ka naam dekar tor deta hai woh bhi us shakhs ki paidaish jiska yeh to pata nahi ki woh tha bhi ya nahi aur tha to kab tha kahan tha? yani pre historical aadmi hai aur sirf kahaniyan hi mansoob hain uski taraf..
thailand wale kehte hain ki woh thailand mein paida hua tha aur wahan ram mandir bhi hai??????
arya samji unki hayat se mutalliq bahut se baton ko nahi mante jaise ki seeta ko zinda aag mein jalana?? jabki yeh unki mazhabi kitab mein likha hua hai..
is tarah hum keh sakte hain ki agar eik forum mein 50 hindu comment kar rahe hon to woh 50 mazhab/aqeede hain kiyunki har hindu alag aqeeda rakhta hai.. aap raj.hyd ko dekhiye bilkul alag aqeeda hai.. voh vedon ya koi bhi kitab ki baat jo use sahi na lage reject kar deta hai.
yaani vedon k ishwar se zyada woh jaanta hai ya yun kahein k lakho saal mein sirf chaar rishi itne upar pahunch paye aur unke dil itne saaf ho paye ki unko ved mila to unse bhi zyada wsaaf dil raj.hyd ka hai kiyunki agar koi baat ved ghalat dikhti hai to raj reject kar deta hai??? to kiya un azeem rishiyon ko bhi woh baatein ghalat nahi lagi jo raj.hyd ko lagti hai???
to mahan kon hua?? ab samjhe kitna confusing mazhab hai hinduism.
124000 kalpit nabi rasool manne vale , faishto v jinno ki fauj ko manne vale , huro aur gilmo ki fauj ko manne vale 73 firko me islam bant jayega iska anuman lagane vale muhammad ji kya isko ek hi majahaba kaha jayega hamare pas to 315 fir ko me islam banta huya uski lisht hai vah 50 sal pahale ki kitab hai ab to aur bhi kai hisso me bant chuka hai ? ham kyo kisi bjhi kitab ke giulam nbane agarsakshat ishwar bhi hamko galat adesh denge jo hamara “vivek ” svikar karne se inkar karega usko bhi ham hargij nahi manana pasand karenge hamaremata pita ji adi bhi jinhone hamko pala posa hai hamare upar apni mehant se lkamaya huya dhan khatrch kiya hai unki bhi galat bat manna hamko svikar nahi hai 1 ham manushy hai kisi ke gulamnahi hai yah kary to janwar kiya karta hai janwar v manushy me yahi antar hua karta hai ! jaise muslim dargao me jakar mannete mangte hai vaise adhikansh hindu kahe jane vale murtipuja bhi kiya karte hai ! dono galat hai isliye ham donoi kary nahi kiya karte hai !
Hi Maria,
Didn’t want to come in between but could not help it… Just want to add….. For ur kind info Rohingyas are not citizen of Burma.. They illegally come and settle there.. Burma dont consider them as their citizen… Then as per ur logic given above If Burmese buddhist do jehad for protecting their land and then why u r crying foul…I can understand ur position because they are muslim so burmese need to be critisize….
Maria@”the 10 million Muslims of Burma are reduced to 500 thousand; and only Allaah subhanahu wa ta’Ala knows what really happened to 9,500,000.What about all these? Jihad is necessary here”
Forget above burma ,Lets talk abt ur own country,,, In 1947 The Hindu population in Pakistan was 20% and now it 2 or 3% where all those people has gone… I feel got evaporated… In Bangladesh it was 30% and know less than 10%…. Then as per ur logic Why Non Muslim should not do jihad in Pakistan and Bangla?If some people do it burma then u don’t have right to question also because they r paying in ur own coin. Those hindus in paki are also not even in the battle field… In recent time we heard news that the hindus were migrating to India because of extortion, jiziya,kidnap, rape and forced conversion…. Why jehad against them? They are not in the battlefiled… And I know u will say those perpetrators are not following Islam and give us a gyan of peace and all… but if u ask them they will say they are the true believers… In baloch, Syria there are no Non-muslim to kill Muslim. and here u will blame India and USA conspiracy…. My god u muslim will be in the dream state only..wake up…
Those Burma people has just shown muslim the mirror and if muslim face is ugly then why to blame those burmese…
Now pls carry on with ur religious debate.
@maria,kyo wrong defence kar rahi ho,battle me tum kisi ka bhi katl kar sakte ho??? Allah aisa kahta hai??is ka matalab kya sab all musalman battal ke ground me khade hai kya???koi bhi ‘batal’ki aad me hatya kare to kya wo hatyara nahi hoga kya?to tumara dimag kharab hai??ye muhammad jiske haat me sada talwar hi rahthi thi,us ke upar sada jang ka hi bhut khada rahta tha.jo mass murderar hai,hatyara hai.isko chipane ke liye usne ye allah ke aad se chupa katl ka paigam diya hai.sword par peace likhane se agar wo peace ho jayega to jarur us aadmi ka dimag kharab ho gaya hai.usko jaldi se pagalkhane bhej dena chahiye.ye muhammad jo sada jung ka hi vichar kartha tha,us ki dimag me jung hi jung thi tab allah ki aad se khud katl karne ko kah raha hai.usko kabhi bhi ye khayal nahi aaya ki khoon se khoon hi failta hai na ki prem.agar wo saccha peace wala hota to gali dene tak ko dartha. SHARIRIK,MANSIK,AATMIK ye char hinsa ke prakar hai.to sharir se hinsa karo ye to kahta hai.par phir man se aur aatma se kya kare ye kyo nahi batata???? kya allah sirf murda sharir ko aadmi samaj raha hai to wo kaisa aalim hua??? Usko ye aadmi marta bhi hai ya nahi ye bhi malum hai kya??? Agar wo dharm ka palan kar raha hai aur jannat me jayega.to lion tumko kha jaye aur tum bhi kuch na karo kyo ki wo battal nahi kar raha, aapna dharm nibha raha hai.to muhammad ne is ke babat to kuch nahi kaha ??? Ye quran fake dene jaisi hai.jisme peace ka kam aur jung ka jyada zikr hai.
@pagal-shankar, sabse zyada to peace ka zikr budhuon mein hai to phir dekha tumne burma main yeh peace lower kiya kar rahe hain?
aur islam k acoording jo lare use maro aur jo hathiyar daal de use mat maro aisa hai. aur jo tum pagal ki bakwas kar rahe ho ki battle mein kisi ki bhi maar do to tumhari samajh mein kami hai kiyunki ved parh parh kar tum chakra chuke ho.
pagal aadmi kiya battle ground olympic ka ground hai ki koi bhi wahan khelne k liye ya tamashe ke liye khara hoga. jo wahan ayega larne ki liye hi ayega???
jo apna nam bhi nahi likh pate hai vah islam ki shiksha de bada ajeeb lagta hai ! aaj vah apna arbii nam jan bijhkar chod rahe hao kal ko vah islam ko chod sakte hai ! yah to matr ek shuruat hai ! jara jain samuday bhi dekh lijiye vah jyada ahinsak hai ! buddh samuday bhi ahinsak hua karta tha ! ab ubme shiksha ki kami hogi tabhi vah hinsa ka prayas kar rahe hai vah unhone islam se sikhi hogi ! jo 30 sal se islam hinsa ki niti par chal raha hai usko dekha karke badle ki niti unhone apnayi hogi ! afar vahaisa nahi karte to jyada achha rahata !
@pagal-raj, tum log kitne kharab dil k log ho. kiya tum news parhte? wahan total safaya ho rahahai aur zulm ho raha hai aur tuam samarthan kar rahe ho?
agar koi tumhare ghar ki aurat ka rape karde to kiya tum bhi rape karoge? yeh bhi to zulm hoga. hum kabhi bhi aisi baat ka support nahi karte aur burma main kai baar genocide ho chuka hai.
isi k liye to quran mein farmaya hai ki tum un k liye kiyun nahi larte jo fariyaad karte hain is basti k log zalim ho gaye hain aye Allah tu humari madad farma.
@anti agniveer, hamne kab varma ki hinsa ka samarthan kiya hai jakar dekhiye siriya me uske pahale libiya me muslim hi muslim ki hatya kar rahe the ! aj har hafte 2000′[ do hajar ] muslimo ki hatya siriya me ho rahi hai muslim chuop kyo hai ? irak me kai lakh islami atankvadiyo ne shiya muslimo ki hatya kar di muslim chup kyo hai ? 53 muslim desh mayanmar se apne rajnayik sambandh kyo nahi tod lete ? amerika se muslim desh ssmbandh kyo nahi tod lete muslim hitaishi bharat sarkar mayanmar se sambandh kyo nahi tod leti ? fir bhi muslim kangres ko vot dete hai kya ya muslimo ka doharapan nahi hai? fir ap muslimo ko pagal kahane ke bajaye aap hamko pagal kahana pasand karte hai ? kya yah apka doharapan nahi hai?
@anti-agniveer
Bhai anti-agniveer Islamic nam nahi hai. Kripaya kaffiro ke nam v riti-rivajo ko copy na karo.
@anti agniveer,iska matlab pani,tum sharm se pani pani ho rahe ho kya??ya dimag ice jaisa jam gaya hai kya??? ye true muslim ne kaha ki allah everywhere hai.ha.ha…ab agar wo everywheare hai,to barma ke logon me ghus gaya hoga.aur agar everywhere nahi hai above earth hai,sky hai to tamasha kyo dekh raha hai??ye to agnipariksha ho rahi allah ki ,wo hai ya nahi?? iska arth mai burma me jo hisa ho rahi hai,iska main samarthan nahi kar raha hu.hatya karna uchit nahi hai.par tum kaise muslim ho allah koi bhi madat nahi kar raha phir bhi tum usko yakin kar rahe ho.bangla desh me ek majid ke upar bijli giri aur 11 log jisme,imam bhi shamil the ,kya ye bijli allah ne girai??? Kyo ki akash aur zamin ko usne banaya to bijli bhi uski ho gayi?ye kaisa allah hai ??apne hi longo marta dekh raha hai.mar raha hai??? Ye allah mithak hai ye siddha hota hai.
@anti agniveer,jab muhammad battle kar rahe the,to wo kya peaceful the?? kisi ke birthday par koi pahuche aur apni talwar uske gardan par rakh ke kahe ki ”happy birth day tu you” aur koi guldaste ,gift liye pahuche aur kahe ki happy birth day tu you to tum kisko sahi samjoge???muhammad yahi galti kar raha hai,swords par likha hai,’peace hi mera dharm hai’ marna,marvana,katna,katwana ye peace hai???111 ayate to quran me marne aur marjane ke jikr se bhari hai,jo ayate peace peace kah rahi hai,wo muhammad khud dar gaya hoga,is liye nikali hogi.kyo ki jab aadmi safe hota hai to darta nahi par unsafe hota hai tabhi peace peace chillata hai.ek myan me do swords nahi rahti. hatya aur peace dono virudha hai ye ek hi quran me kaisi rahegi????
@Jai shankar
Careful hothead! I can sense your hatred. Your are seeming like a most hateful person. All over I get by reading your whimsical post is ‘you cannot understand English completely therefore you didn’t get what I posted’. So read the Urdu replies of another Muslim brother, maybe you get something. Let me ask you a questions If you wanna peace your aim is to spread peace then why are you so hateful? But You’re Just hating condemning your aim is just fighting . So it means your aim is not to spread peace in any way then why do you want from Islam to be peaceful? All you typed is just disgusting but I have to sequester/digest it.
jab muahmmad ji kamjor the tab vah shanti ki bat karte the! vah sex ke bhukhe the isliye unka apne samudayo se vivad tha! jab kisi ki kanya ko sex ki nigah se dekhoge , tab malom hone par vivad to hoga hi ! muahammad ji ko do hio to shauk the sex aur satta ! tabhi unko chip kar chori se darkar mecca se madeena bhagkar jana pada kurani allah bhi unki mecca me raksha karne me kamjor sabit huye ! jab vah takatvar ho gaye fir unhone hinsa ki bat markat ki bat ki mekka me kisi gair muslim ko rahane nahi diya ! bas iske bad hatyao ka daurchalta raha jo ajtak chal raha hai kuran ki kuch ayato me jo shanti ka sanndesh deti gvah bahut pahale ki hai isliye kuran ko betarteeb rup me pesh kiya gaya hai ! jaise tash ke patte fent diye jate hai ! kahi mecci ayte hai aur kahi madeeni ayte hai ! kis dhang se kuran ki ayte kurani khuds nepesh ki thi us tarah se yah kuran hargij nahi haia muahammd ji ke marne ke kareeb 25 sal bad vartman kuran kitab ki shakl me pesh ki gayi thi !
@GP
Jihad cannot b done only in battle field but it can be everywhere whenever someone try to shed blood of Muslims unjustly. In Burma Innocent Muslims are killed by Budhisht non Muslims . Moreover What about the innocent Muslims 106 000 documented
civilian death in Iraq by American Soldiers, or the 47 000 in
Kashmir, or in Afaghanistan, or in Palestine.What about the more than 6-10 million Muslims killed by American Soldiers in 2003? These 6-10 million were
fighting 4 their freedom, not to terrorize the people. In Burma more than 30000 Muslims are killed by Budhisht non-Muslims, 4000 were burnt alive, Mosque were destroyed, Thus far, the 10 million Muslims of Burma are reduced to 500 thousand; and only Allaah subhanahu wa ta’Ala knows what really happened to 9,500,000.What about all these? Hitler was Jew or a Christian 60 million were killed by him. Moreover in the name of Christianity 1000 of people were killed by Christian just to convert them into Christianity.
So do you mean that there are terrorist only among Muslims therefore what Budhist are doing & what is going around on Innocent Burma living Muslims ‘Is all this okay?
@GP
*Edit*
Jihad cannot b done *not* only in battle field but it can *also* be *done* everywhere whenever someone try to shed blood of Muslims unjustly.
U said many thing but means nothing….. First of all Rohingyas are not citizen of Burma but of Bangladesh… and bangladesh already got freedom from Pakistan… The height is that u are mentioning them freedom fighter…. from whom… it is not their country and ur so called muslim bangladesh rejected them… I think they should fight with bangladesh for accepting them as their citizen.
2)Riots was started after Rohingyas killed Buddhist women and raped them. But as per quran they are allowed..(by ur word rohingyas killed/shed blood of buddhist unjustly and buddhist did the jihad)… .. But this time the buddhist repercussion was so severe that this muslim need to run for their life….. and people like u blame burmeses.. They have every right to protect their land and women as they are the son of that land. This Bangladeshi muslim are involves in riots, dacoits and all anti social elements in India also.
3) I have asked u about the balochistani where u guys are shedding their blood unjustly of ur owm muslim brothers but u talked about the whole world which u urself dont have much idea….. If hitler kills jew, Christian kill in the name of Christianity then it doesn’t give certificate to muslim to kill all non muslim…
4) Paki Hindu, They didnt shed muslim’s blood… then why are they are migrating…. here u prefer to keep quite..
5) If u repeating like parrot that doesnt mean Islam is peaceful… U only onetrack mind.. U might be good in person and but very fearful to ? ur belief….. And u simply justifying every violent act by giving some cherry picking quote from quran…
6) American came to afghan in search of Osama(after 911) and they fought with taliban and they didnt kill because they are muslim…. People like u always denied the presence of Osama but atlast he was find in ur own backyard…..
7) If paki muslim were so much sympathy with bangla muslim then y those banladeshi fought freedom fight with Paki…. Just search in google for how many bangladesh has been killed by Paki muslim,,, It will be definitely more than Rohingyas…
8 In syria no americans are involved…..
9) It is because Islam is most violent religion of the world.. they cannot co- habit like a normal human’s… They always want to supress other’s but sometime the non-mus reacts then people like u come into defence by quoting some quote ….. hehe pity.
10) Sharing with u video of baloch and it is not from Non muslim country but from pakistan media…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XwIXQHG7JQ&feature=related
U claim ur self to be very peaceful but u r not …….. U r just a jackle in the guile of cow…
@GP, this post seems to be Maria but i am sorry to interrupt,
1)from ur comment i conclude that P stands for Pandey???
2)there are so many bhutani living India and they have many facilities for business then y are u not fighting for them? no rohingyas raped any woman instead two budhist girls converted to islam so some budhist hate mongers propagated that muslims raped two budhist women and they started genocide of muslims. it is third genocide of rohingya muslims in burma.
u are so big hate monger pandit that u are saying by the quran rohingyas allowed to rape and shed the blood of budhus? can u prove it from Quran?
if we accept that they have raped two girls then it doesnt allow u to genocide whole community? is there no law and order?
3)balochistani matter should be replied by Maria. i only can say that Islam nowhere allowed to kill innocent peoples and whoever is doing that he doing against the teachings of Islam and we condemn it.
4) earlier u said that in 1947 there were 20% hindus in pak? I dont know what do u mean ie before partition or after partition? BTW i have never heard such genocide of paki Hindus as muslims are suffering in most of the part of world.
above all pak is a bad example of any muslim country and it’s democracy is not stabilized but whatever the case it is the duty of paki govt to protect the minority, who can deny it?
5)it is solely Maria’s matter i cant understand what u want to say.
6)you can search on internet that 9/11 is the biggest lie of history and u must know that in general americans i/q is less than i/q of Indian (literate) so whatever their govt say the accept it for ex one Mr. page killed sikhs because he assumed them as Muslims because of Turban?? any school going kid can understand that american muslims do not wear Turban. some Afghani may wear turban but in rest of the world in general muslims do not wear Turban.
so many incidents have been take place but still Americans are killing sikhs instead of muslims? can their government cant make them fool in the name of 9/11?
do u think that talibni can do that act ? if u think so then do some reasearch..
y americans killing Iraqis? which 9/11 they have done? the problem with Indian pandits and aryasamjis is this that they can never support any mazloom. they are always with Zalim so y Mr gadkari and his party keep on bowing infront of israelis.
@anti agniveer
Your name only suggest that you will speak negative only….. Arey bhai kam se kam naam tho teek rakte…
1)Didn’t get what u mean to say or concluded…
2) Bhuthani leaving in India illegally…. I dont thik so… Even if they did I dont think they are indulging in any anti social elements..
In burma, I think you were there to witness the real situation…. and now world is blaming poor rohingyas…bias media, conspiracy… All hen’s of the world stop laying eggs because now they are busy in laying conspiracy against muslims:-)
Burma govt never recgd them as their citizen so there is a age old grudge so it comes out in surface whenever it get a chance… That doesnt means Rohingyas are holy cow….. This ethnic are involved in anti social activity / terrorist activity world over…… So bhaisaab Burmese and Rohingyas is a political problem and not Muslim -Nonmuslim problem.. So pls dont give ur green colour to it……
your words
:”u are so big hate monger pandit that u are saying by the quran rohingyas allowed to rape and shed the blood of budhus? can u prove it from Quran?”
“if we accept that they have raped two girls then it doesnt allow u to genocide whole community? is there no law and order?”
My reply: One Muslim quotes quran and kill, rape and try to destroy non muslims and Other Muslim stand up and ask me to prove whether I can prove such act from Quran…….
When Islamic invader came to Indian subcontinent they slaughter the entire buddist and hindu community in Afganistan in name of islam and allah,,,,,, There is mountain called Hindu kush ..where all cutted heads were dumped…
Ejaz invade sindh common people has been slaughtered….So is the case of mh Gouri, gazhnavi, tipu sultan, auranzeb, akbar and many more.And todays bomblast where 100 of common innocent people are killed in name of allah… But Todays muslim dont see this holocaust and not even mention it.. All this has been done in the name of Jihad by quoting verses of Quran…. But if we say this then all the blame is imposed on us of conspiracy and height is that this all, we have to prove from Quran ….
Muslim only talks about Minority rights, law and order only when they are minority…. but once they are majoity/ or already in majority then they will show there real colour eq: Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc… So Antiaginiveer I can understand ur stance….. good try….
4) You can never hear the genocide in pak and bangla of Hindus because u deliberately chose to ignore it…… If u shows that u knows it then how can u play the drama of humanity, peace, etc So I can understand …..taqqyiya at work.. Muslim are suffering because of there own behaviour.. they cannot co habit peacefully with other groups and always try to bully others…
Your word
“above all pak is a bad example of any muslim country and it’s democracy is not stabilized but whatever the case it is the duty of paki govt to protect the minority, who can deny it?”
My reply: Stop yaar…. u will kill me with ur sense of humour….. Pak represent Islam which is total failure….. By the way which country is good example of islam… Afghanistan,Bangladesh, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libiya,Iraq…..Pls Name the islamic country where democracy is stable?….. Pls majak mat udao bhai….
6) I never told Osama did 911 and I know it is a lie…. us chuve ki haisiyat nahi hai… but he never told to media that he never did it but taliban giving threat to america of doing more attack…… I also seen how muslim in some countries were dancing and celebrating….. Fools… wat can we expect from them…. But Taliban destroy afganisthan… Pak and America used Taliban for their own purpose….. Now when America attack taliban then there must not be any question of Muslim -Nonmuslim… here why u guys giving green colour to it…. Pakistan was also involved in it….
America attack Iraq because of Petro dollar , that means greed and not to kill innocent muslims then why u guys giving it a green colour and justifying jihad on America….. As Saddam also involved in genocide of Shia muslim…… So he is also not buddhas avatara….
Your words”the problem with Indian pandits and aryasamjis is this that they can never support any mazloom. they are always with Zalim so y Mr gadkari and his party keep on bowing infront of israelis”
My reply:
Sawan ke andhe ko sab hara hi dikta hai”.. By the way I am not Arya samajis so Pls dont presumes things… Your’s history knowlege only started after islam conquer the Persia and Some part of india subcontinent….. You completely ignore so many Mazloom (iska matlab pata nahi ..i feel it is masum) has been slaughtered because they are not beleiving in Allah… parsis in India are the real living example…. but for people like u those people are not mazloom…… Pity on u….. Problem is that u see history from one point and I see history in continuity… Dont worry Law of Karma is at work….. Muslim will get paid for their Karma and it will b a matter of time only….
If indias interest is with joining with Israels then we should join with them… We also agreed to buy the oil from Iran(Muslim country) going against USA restriction because it is in our interest, we also didn’t send our troop to Iraq…. But for u India’s interest doesnt matter,,,,, Only religion comes first….. U just exposed ur Ugly face….. When times comes u will go against India if any muslim country attack India….. India enemies are not outside but within……
@maria, what is meaning of,peaceful??can you undersatnd peaceful carefully??? peaceful mind does not understand fights.peace is a mind condition all thoughts are go down,he don’t understand who enemy and who friend.only peace is exists.allah himself does not understand peace.he Haterated jews and Isais,unbelievers.why you dont understand peace? Your defination of peace is very poor, fully wrong.kill others he think i was killed.that is the peace.you are only crying peace peace peace but no exprience of peace.search first peace and then look after quran it is a fully haterated book in the world..
@maria,you don’t understand peace.I help you,read jejus,read goutam buddha,read mahaveer,read all saints of vaishnvas,read vedantik acharyas.only his act peace. hands are empty,no use sword.only fear and haterated mind accept swords.muhammads hand sword means kill all others.sword does not spreads peace. only peaceful mind goes spread peace.
@jai shankar
I think I understand what does “peace” really mean. Thanks I need not to read others book to understand the meaning of peace sorry. Go look at history you’d know how ignorant /unjust fighters the Mushreen of that time were, they thyself wanted war therefore Prophet (PBUH) & his companion had to do Jihad in order to protect themselves.
What I get from Islam is:
==> [Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9)
==>Ibn Umar reported: Prophet (PBUH) said, “A believer continues to guard his Faith so long as he does not shed blood unjustly”.
[Al-Bukhari].
==>Prophet said:
“Those who are kind and considerate to Allah’s creatures, Allah bestows His kindness and affection on them. Show kindness 2 the creatures on the earth so that Allah may b kind 2 u.” [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]
==>Qur’an says: “God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them.” (60:8)
Unto you your faith unto me mine. Peace.
mariya ji kuran5/51 aur 5/57 bhi dekh lijiye jisme kurani allah muslimo ko isai v yahudi se dosti karne korokta hai yahkurani allah ka parspar virodhi adesh kyo hai ? AAJ KI KURAN BETARTEEB HAI ISLIYE APKO BHI SAMAJHNE ME TAKLIF HOTI HAI ? jab muhammad ji kamjor the tab vah dosti ki bat karte the jab muhmmad ji takatvar ho gaye tab vah dushmani ki bat karne lage kuran to muhammad ji ki gulam thi ! jaisi bhi marjia aye vaisi ayat ane me der kahan lagti thi ?
@GP
You typed so many things. What did Roshingyas do, I don’t know, this is first time I’ve listened his name & what you typed about paki, Bangladeshi blah,blah,blah I can say anyone whether one is a Muslim or non Muslim, has no right to shed blood unjustly.
What I’m saying brother , there are terrorist also among non Muslims, now what is going around on Burma living Muslims is against humanity if they do Jihad you cannot say they are terrorist as you no -Muslims always say. As per Islamic shariya law defensive Jihad can b done by any Muslim in order to protect oneself otherwise It’ll not b Jihad but terrorism if the aim isn’t to protect but to spread terror. Now Burma’s Muslims are unjustly killed, no matter what was the starting point due to which the war between Burma living Muslims & non Muslim started – If a man kill one another man the only one must be punished would b the killer NOT the whole family of killer. So how can you say that what is going around on Burma’s Muslims is okay Just because there are terrorist among Pakistan’s Muslims? You’re defending Burama’s non-Muslims just because you r a non-Muslim – You are not seeing now how Muslims are killed. you are not seeing there are also terrorist among non-Muslims, you just say I typed many things but nothing.
You’re comparing the acts of Muslims with Qur’an ,Here I’m defending Islam NOT all Muslims but innocent ones. you shouldn’t judge a book by its followers. I don’t say all Muslims paki or etc. are innocents, what would they do would be okay. All Muslims are not the true followers of Qur’an. A practicing Muslim should be just , fair & peaceful. **Here I’m defending Islam NOT all Muslims but innocent ones**, what you non Muslims do nothing but pick out the verse out of their context without establishing the facts surrounding these verse, they (non Muslims) fit them into their mean the way they want. But I know because of your lack of knowledge you don’t accept the Islam to b peaceful religion. I’ll not get heart attack if you’ll not agree. Keep on disagreeing!
To you be you way to me mine.
@Maria
Here I given ur comment in inverted coma and my reply follows:
“You typed so many things. What did Roshingyas do, I don’t know, this is first time I’ve listened his name”.
(REPLY) “After discussing whole Quran, u r asking who is Mohammad”..Rohingyas are the Bangladeshi muslim ILLIGALLY settled in Burma… Again I tell u that those people are not the citizen of Burma…. Untill now u are shedding tears for those muslim only.. They are known to involved in the anti-social elements and terrorist activities so no one is giving them refuge even bangladesh disown them.
“ & what you typed about paki, Bangladeshi blah,blah,blah I can say anyone whether one is a Muslim or non Muslim, has no right to shed blood unjustly”.
I know here u will prefer to avoid only…I feel u accepted that the pakistani shedding the blood of baluchi, hindus and christian unjustly , which they dont have any right. Last post I given u the % of Hindus in Pak and Bang but this killing didnt deserve ur sympathy and I hope u think they r not human only so no question of humanity.. 20 to 30% of the population has be harrased and killed because they dont beleive in peaceful book Quran but u sympathise with only with those few illegal rohingyas as compare to above because they happens to be muslim’s.. Might be possible Allah might have said only muslims are humans….
“What I’m saying brother , there are terrorist also among non Muslims, now what is going around on Burma living Muslims is against humanity if they do Jihad you cannot say they are terrorist as you no -Muslims always say”.
(REPLY)What I am saying sister, I dont see non abhrahmic faith people will quote from there religious text to terrorise the other group. If u know such group Pls let me know…. If non-muslim is involved in anti social element then he must be punished … here he cannot take shelter of his religious text…. But on the other hand Some grp of muslim involve in terrorist attack and quote Quran to justify that it is a word of god and Other grp which includes you do the cover up job by saying that they are not the follower of the Islam..Rather islam is very peacefull…blah blah… It is a conspiracy of nonmuslim to defame islam and then u will not stop here but also quote some cherry picked quote.
“ As per Islamic shariya law defensive Jihad can b done by any Muslim in order to protect oneself otherwise It’ll not b Jihad but terrorism if the aim isn’t to protect but to spread terror. Now Burma’s Muslims are unjustly killed, no matter what was the starting point due to which the war between Burma living Muslims & non Muslim started – If a man kill one another man the only one must be punished would b the killer NOT the whole family of killer. So how can you say that what is going around on Burma’s Muslims is okay Just because there are terrorist among Pakistan’s Muslims? You’re defending Burama’s non-Muslims just because you r a non-Muslim – You are not seeing now how Muslims are killed. you are not seeing there are also terrorist among non-Muslims, you just say I typed many things but nothing.”
(REPLY) I think u r under the impression that those Illegal Bangladeshi are only getting the beating. But u r wrong , those peoples are also involved in the killing of Burmese…. bt how can u see the dead of burmese people as they cannot be consider s human…
This illegal immigrants first encroached the land of burmese and started harrasing the local burmese since so many years.. This burmese were very tolerant till now but when now riots has started because of this bangladeshi kills(unjustly blood shed) and raped the burmese woman . If there is no cause there will be no effect so we have to blame only this bangladeshi only and not to encourage them…
If some 1000 burmese are involved in riots then the jihad should be against those 1000 people only. Why pakistani taliban giving threat to whole of Burma.. If muslims are so big hearted then they should give them refuge but wat u see those islamic republic only reject them….and even pakistan…
Here riots is between Burmese local with foreigner(Rohingyas/ bangladeshi) but u only see it is against muslim against non muslim….. People like u only give religious angle to it … Burmese people have every right to defend their homeland from foreigner whether it be muslim or non muslim…. If some foreigner come to my home and harm my family members then i have every right to defend my home….. So why u bring religion in between… Because u know without bringing in religion ..how can u justify the attack on Burmese in the name of jihad…. This shows ur hypocrisy only and ageold tactics of muslims… Eq: Why Ejaz who invaded Sindh and slaughtered lacs of innocent sindhi … those sindhis never attacked those muslim..same is the case of Afganistan buddist…. Pritviraj chauhan pardon mohammad gori 16 times then why this gori attacked again and agian and slaughered so many innocent civilian and destroy there temples because they are non muslim….. There r innumerable eg like this… All this is done because Quran said so….. Oh No humanity ……. humanity defination doesnot include NON-MUSLIM( only reserved to muslim)…
“You’re comparing the acts of Muslims with Qur’an ,Here I’m defending Islam NOT all Muslims but innocent ones. you shouldn’t judge a book by its followers. I don’t say all Muslims paki or etc. are innocents, what would they do would be okay. All Muslims are not the true followers of Qur’an. A practicing Muslim should be just , fair & peaceful. **Here I’m defending Islam NOT all Muslims but innocent ones**, what you non Muslims do nothing but pick out the verse out of their context without establishing the facts surrounding these verse, they (non Muslims) fit them into their mean the way they want.”
(REPLY)Why I should not because every terrorist act done by muslim in the name of Quran… In india every bomb blast done by muslim by quoting Quarn only and also world over. In pakistam every Ahmadis is killed in the name of Allah…. They do all anti social element in the name of allah and quaran….. And people like u instead of rejecting them only do the cover up job by ur peaceful gyan….. SEE… Burmese not attacked Rohingyas because there religious text say so but you just given the colour of Muslim and Non-Muslim… and now will justify jihad…. If burmese act cannot be justify then the jehad against the Burma is also not justifiable…
Practicing Muslim is peaceful…… This rare species are very rare to find and such rare species are not consider as a true muslim by Muslim mulla…… It is shocking to hear that after 1500 yrs of bloodshed we came to hear that all muslims are not true follower of islam… who will decide….. Such a confusion I only see in Islam only……
You r blaming Non-muslim about cherry picking but half of the muslim do and justify jihad by cherry picking the quote from quran and other half cherry picks the quote from Quran to prove it very tresure of peace…. And most interesting things is that, the whole blame is imposed on poor Non-Muslim of cherry picking….. Nice strategy but it cannot work any more…..
“But I know because of your lack of knowledge you don’t accept the Islam to b peaceful religion. I’ll not get heart attack if you’ll not agree. Keep on disagreeing!”
(REPLY)It doesnot require any exceptional knowledge to say Islam is false religion…. How can that religion be true where Allah allowed Father to have sex with daughter,,, Mother with sons,,, Brother with sister…. Such disgusting Allah can never be true god and his religion can never be a true religion….. Pls sister leave this false cult and come to ur ancester religion of vedas..
1500yrs of killing by muslim of innocent people cannot touch ur heart then how can u get heart attack if I didnt agree..
I only say that ur lack of knowledge of ur own history is the reason for ur bondage…
@maria
See the plight of Hindus from ur so called peace loving Islamic state….
http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/more-pak-hindus-arrive-in-india-say-wont-return_793407.html
@GP
Your words:
“How can that religion be true where Allah allowed Father to have sex with daughter,,, Mother with sons,,, Brother with sister…. Such disgusting Allah can never be true god ”
Re:
FALSE CHARGE!
Allah DOESN’T allow it IN ANY WAY. Give proof from QUR’AN, Hurry up now!
Your words:
“I hope u think they r not human only so no question of humanity.”
Re:
Non-Muslims are also human being. I never say they are not.
@ Maria…..
Sometime it is better to use logic instead mugging word by word..
As per Abhrahmic belief , First God has created Adam and Eve and then all of us come from this two pair…. So we all are brothers & sister’s(adam ke bacche)…. But wait one second , if this is true then it is not possible to procreate without indulging in incest…. This means that Allah allows this to happen …. And now you said above Allah didnt allow in Quran..
It clearly shows that allah is confused ….. First he allows and then he dont…… Conclusion :dear God can never be confused so Allah can never be god,,,, Abrahmic god s are only a result of human imagination and nothing else…..
Only one vedic ishwar is true…. Pls reject false allah and come to the vedic truth…
Adam and Eve assumption is scientifically wrong…..so grow up dear…It is not possible that we all come from same parents… Because if we check my DNA with ur DNA then it might be similar as we are from in India subcontinent… But if u check ur DNA with arabs or with chinese it will not match…..
This is the reason the church always rejected/ opposed evolution theory because they know there shop will one day be closed if people comes to knows about it…..
I hope instead of filling the gap with fairy tale you will use some logic….. because Adam & eve story is wrong then all ur belief gone for a toss….. as ur foundation has been shaken….. Dear sister, I expect from ur side atleast to think because argument can go on and on…. It is better if we reject the false and accept the tested truth…..
Your word “Non-Muslims are also human being. I never say they are not”
I said so because u only bring humanity only when muslim get beaten up…. In Burma riots is between locals and illegal Bangla migrants…. Burmese never did violence because there religion justify it… So here the Muslim – Non Muslim does’nt comes into picture…… Muslim got the separate country from India to live so why should they migrate and settle in Non muslim country….
-> Paki killing baloch – here we can talk of humanity ground as they are not killing because of religion.. here u cannot bring religion angle so u chose to avoid…
-> Paki killing Paki hindus— This is the case of Muslim and Non muslim as this animals are justifying killing by quoting Quran…. But here u chose to keep quite…
I am not supporting the Burmese killing Rohingyas….. but is it fair that u are bringing the religious angle and justifying jehad against Burma…. I know u will not do it but god knows how many young muslim has be brainwashed and trained to do terror attack on Burma… Let wait and see…
@maria,your mind is very low level,you are narrow minded.your world only roundup in quran-allah-muhammad.you leave1400 years ago.your born here but mind is 1400years old back.peace is only peace he does not need quran.peace is a inner state of mind.without quran peace is exists.quran is a barier of peace.all kinds of thought are bariers in silence or peace.peace means all thoughts are dead.why quran is there?you are not read others books because you afraid.your beliefs are week.you fear, beliefs are end now?? at this moment mind searches safety.quran is a your safety measures.but you born quran never helps,you dead quran also never help.because quran is your mind when you born,where is the quran???why you born without quran???you dead why you does not forgot quran??? Your safety measures is allah is knowing.why allah is only knowing?? Why he dived forget and not forget.why all muslims are not doing one work allah,allah and allah.????why mind does not think only allah,allah and allah???why mind is separated allah??? Allah punishes body or mind????how allah understanding of man body or mind???? Allah understand man leave without mind??? Allah understand no-mind state???
@jai shanker
Hothead!
What I can say after reading your clumsy whimsical rhetorical post is;
Your words:
“your mind is very low level,you are narrow minded. your world only roundup in quran-allah-muhammad.”
Re:
Yeah! T a “T”! You’re exactly right my world is around my Qur’an, my beloved Allah & my beloved prophet. If after believing in these I can b remained peaceful then I should remain in this world you should not interfere then.
Your words:
peace is only peace he does not need quran.peace is a inner state of mind. without quran peace is exists.
Re:
I know peace is only peace. And without your Vedas peace exists.
Your words:
not read others books because you afraid.your beliefs are week.you fear, beliefs are end now?
Re:
Nah! I’m not afraid. For your kind information my belief is not weak , tell me , If my belief is weak then should I be there? of course not!
I’m defending Islam because of my firm belief. Does your statement make any sense? Really? How do you get that my belief is weak?
I can ignore your rest of clumsy whimsical & rhetorical statements as I have a courage because Allah want me to do so in (Quran 50:39).
@raj.hyd (Other hatemongers should too read this passage):
In response to your two previous posts.
You used cheep filthy words for my beloved Prophet (pbuh) is just disgusting but I have to sequester it because Quran say so ==>”So bear with patience all that they(non-believers) say”(50:39).
Allah has already told us about the people like you.Quran==>( you will recognize them by the tone of their speech. (47:30) And I’ve recognized you. You’re a ferocious hatemonger.
You used cheep words but I’ll not use because I don’t wanna dirty my fingers by typing any cheep word. You would have to pay for your deeds & I’d have to for mine. Quran (10:41)
I can just ignore you as Quran say ==> …Rather they are a rebellious people. So, turn away from them (non-believers), for that you (believers) are not blamed.
And remind/teach (by preaching the Qur’ân,) verily, the reminding profits the believers.(51: 53-55) –> As Allah say remind/teach by preaching Quran so I’d like to say to you that stop this monkey business, don’t waist your time in condemning & abusing a thing you dislike & go do some yeoman’s service. You’re just wasting your time seriously!
And he say: O my Lord! these are a folk who believe not. So turn away from them and say (to them): Salam (peace)! They will come to know soon.(43:88-89)
So I turn away & say “Peace”.
Surah109:
1- Say: O you who reject your faith.
6- To you be your way to me mine.
So I say, unto u your faith unto me mine.
Just wanted to say this: When you are in the field of comparative religion, you should get used to such abuses. Abuses have been hurled at our idols as well. I do not think you have any claim to any higher moral ground in this respect.
No Maria, you should no longer stay in this material world. You should rather proceed to jannah, the world of your Allah, at the earliest.
Peace can exist even without religion. It is verily a state of mind as JS has rightly pointed out.
You may not be afraid but there are others who dread exposure to dissenting opinions and views and that is why they have blocked anti-Islamic sites in their countries. Probably, what he meant was that the foundations of your belief is not sound?
@SDC, i think you have some confusion in understanding faith. can u abuse gurugranth sahib infront of any sikh? even u cant touch gurugranthsahib.
can u dare to touch gurugranth sahib? we always give non muslims translations of quran and we always welcome questions on islam but we cant tolerate abuses for Allah and rasool.
it is you who always talk on islam and quran because you know that islam is true religion and Quran is true book. it is ur arrogance which is not allowing you to accept the truth.
you can see Mr. rej.hyd has read translation of quran more than 12 times and he always concerned about quran. this website is for veda and you always discuss about Quran???? it is proof that you aryasamajis and Mr. vedanti and all do not consider veda worthy for discussion?
no teaching of veda is worthy to propagate?
brother i am indian and i am watching practically that you peoples have thrown out veda from your mind. I have not met a single person in my life who has all four veda or he reads veda daily or he has memorised veda or he had completed only once in his life?
common hindu is interested in music, films,games, future, temples and least in Geeta. Veda is nowhere in the list.
so you should seriously think to protect your veda.
Yes, if one is a daee in India like Zakir Naik or a fanatic like Akbaruddin Owaisi, he can even abuse Hinduism followed by the majority and get away with it.
You cannot tolerate abuses for Allah and rasool but you have the right to abuse others’ beliefs?
Just needed to tell you that I have no such wrong notions about Islam. I am clear in my mind that Islam is a demoniac cult, and actions speak for themselves. You do not even need to go down deeper into the level of ideology. Well, at least I believe that attack is the best form of defense and indulge in the same from the word go. In any case, religious beliefs are at times difficult to defend, and it is universal.
Well, you need to enlighten yourself a bit further by letting go off your bias. I am sure you will find pearls of wisdom in the Vedas.
People are hedonistic by nature. There is no harm as long sensual pleasures are sought within prescribed limits of ethics and law. So, what’s your point? That people should give up the pursuit of pleasure. Just want to point out to you that even your rasool was an extreme hedonist to the point that he even made legitimate immoral acts such as raping, looting, keeping sex slaves, etc.
@maria,you are thought is completly crime..because none of allah himself understand his world only muslims,.none of muhammad himself understand his world only muslims. HE COMPLETY THINKING OTHERS…WHY????his thinking is based only others.you say my world is roundup quran-allah-muhammad.it is a complete mental phenomenon.because truth is everywhere and same.but you say truth is only allah???how it is possible??your mind is narrow.??why he not seeing others,because others is also truth.your eyes are blind means world is blind???buddha,mahaveera,kanad,vasista,nagarjuna,sanjay velatiputta,makhali ghoshal.prabuddha katyayana,mahakashyap,bodhisatva,chougtsu,losthe,shankaracharya,asatvakra,krishna,kapila,patanjali,pleto,socretis,raman maharshi,vivekanda,chinmayananda,krishnamurti he never told ALLAH why?? Truth is not allah.again you say ,’you should not interfare’ but muhammads & allahs are fully interfare in mans ??? Your thinking is more strong could not interfare it,and my thinking allah and muhammad is more strong as you.why he interfare others? others are interfare you does not accept,but you interfares other ???why???you are mad???you see only one side???why??you does not interfare others and others does not interfare yours,simple.vedas means knowledge, peace means knowledge of truth,but quran means only allahs world,islam means peace.why vedas are not exists in peace? Your belief is week,because you don’t read others,don’t see others,don’t think others.only quran-allah-muhammad yoy read,see and think it is a week persons work.
@jai shankar
Again a clumsy whimsical rhetorical response to my rational post.
You are insulting my faith. You are also insulting me by saying I’m narrow minded & I’ve a criminal mind – I have a courage to digest . Look at yourself what you’re ? You’re believing in Veda ( A book consider to be peaceful as per its believers claim) but still you’re wasting your time by condemning abusing using dirty filthy language – You doesn’t seem to be peaceful in any way. I’ve seen peaceful persons among you so I can judge you’re not peaceful. You wanna waste your time but I’ll not waste any more time on you. So don’t bother to reply back me.
@anti agniveer,tu sharm se pani pani kyo ho raha hai..ha.ha.ha…tu kahta hai ved ka eshwar dikhai nahi padta ? ha.ha.ha…meri baat siddha karne se pahale tere allah ko dekte hai.allah ek false concept hai,.kaise ??allah kitana mahan hai ye nahi pata??uski mahanta kaha se shuru hoti hai??akash,,prithvi ya satve aasman se?? Wo sirf mahan hai, aanu nahi hai??aanu se bhi aanu allah nahi hai??Ab ye allah,use koi bhi dekh nahi sakta. jo dekhai nahi deta aise hullah,kullah,jullah inko bhi manana padega???ha.ha.ha…ab hum ved ke eshwar ko siddha karte hai.wo mahan se bhi mahan aur anurenu se bhi chota hai.”anurenuyan mahatomahiyan” wo sirf mahan nahi hai mahan se bhi mahan hai aur sirf mahan nahi hai anu renu se bhi chota .mahan itna hai ki jo jo aadmi ke mahan ke hawale hai us mahan ke hawale se bhi mahan.aur chota itana ki anu ya renu nahi balki us se bhi chota. Iska arth hua ye jo anant vishva faila hai us ke paar bhi wo hai aur jo vishva ke chote anu renu hai usme bhi wo hai. Tum me bhi hai aur muzme bhi hai.wo everywhere hai ye siddha hua.allah everywhere nahi hai.wo muhammad & company limited hai.ved ka eshwar dikhta kyo nahi??kya tum bhi bina dekhe ved ke eshwar ko mante ho??? Chize jab dur ho tab dikhai nahi deti aur bahot najdik ho tab bhi dikhai nahi deti .hamari aankh hum dekh nahi sakte,kyoki wo bahot nikat hai.agar aankh jo ki matter hai phir bhi dikhai nahi deti ved ka eshwar man se bhi sushma haiuskebhitar hai ”sarvasya chaham hrudayi saniivisto”-geeta arthat mai sab ke hruday me hu.to wo itna nikat hai,ki hamara swarup ho gaya.to jo bhitar man ki search karega usko waha milega aur jo bahar murti ki puja karega use bahar bhi milega.allah na andar hai na bahar???false imagination hai jo aadha hai na pura hai????
@Anti Agniveer
:Request you to please don’t reply back to the hate mongers like “jai shankar & “raj.hyd”. What Jai shankar typed in his last post is just a red rag to a bull. The more you will reply more he will use irrational absurd language by mocking ridiculing, for our beloved Allah & Prophet (pbuh). They wanna just waste our time. If you will turn away & ignore them you will be not blamed.
See what does Quran say:
==>They are a rebellious people. So, turn away from them (non-believers), for that you (believers) are not blamed. (51:53)
==>”And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh, lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.”(Qur’an, 6:108)
==>So bear with patience all that they(non-believers) say”(50:39).
==>And he say: O my Lord! these are a folk who believe not. So turn away from them and say (to them): Salam (peace)! They will come to know soon.(43:88-89)
Fee-amanillah!
@antiagniveer,abe akal ke gadhe,hahaha..ved kabhi bhi dekhne ko nahi kahte aur na hi manane ko kahte. khojo aur jano ye kahte.unka sara jor JANANE par hai..manane par nahi.wo bhitar dekhane ko kahte hai.aur tu bahar ko hi dekhne ko dekhna kah raha hai. Bhitar dekh to tuze bhi dekhai padega.hahaha,ALLAH FALSE CONCEPT HAI kyo ki usko bhitar ki jankari kam hai??bhitar janneko us ne kabhi kaha nahi.ALLAH.SIRF MANO KI WO HAI,BHAY KHAO,DARO US SE AISA ALLAH HAI.dekhna,manana,janana ye sab man se sanbadhit hai.jab man janata hai tab wo bahar ke dekhane aur manane se mukta hota hai.hum ped ko jante hai to us par vishwas nahi karte ki, ped hai aisa hum vishwas kare. to ye siddha hua ki allah janane ko nahi kahta,khojane ko nahi kahta.hahaha..are use man ka bhi pata nahi hai ki wo kaisa hai? use sirf chanchal man ka,ashant man ka pata hai,shant man,shunya man,nirvikalp man is ka koi pata nahi hai.hahaha..kya tum man ko mante ho,kya tum man ko dekhte ho?hahaha.phir tum ho ki nahi ko?phir tum ho ki nahi ho ye kaise siddha hoga?hahaha….tum raat me sapna kis aankh se dekhte ho??hahaha…ved ka eshwar bhitar ki aankh se dekha aur jana jata hai.bahar ki indiryonka king man hai.shant hua wo, aapne gahre chipe bhagwan ko bhitar dekhta hai,janta hai..ye siddha hua ki allah false concept hai.hahaha…..
@antiagniveer, kyo bhanbhana rahe ho??? Dimag ke andar tare chamak gaye kya??” islam ki philosophy allah ke irdgird ghumti hai.allah ki tahkikat karna hi philosophy hai.tu us se kyo ghabra raha hai? hahaha.Tune kabhi aapne ko dekha hai?? Tu kahega ha,aankh se.par jab tu aankh band karega tab dekhna band ho jayega,par jab tu aankh band karta hai phir gayab kyo nahi hota? Iska arth hua dekhna chamdi ki aankh par nirbhar nahi hai. dekhna bhitar hai.ab sawal ye hai,ki tu koun hai?tu man hai.is man ko bhi tu dekhanewala hai,kyoki tu jab sota hai kaise dekhta hai ki raat me soya wohi subah ko jaga.tuze to raat me kuch bhi pata nahi hai,phir tu kaise dekhta hai,jo soya wahi jaga?iska arth hua tu man ko bhi dekhane wala hai.jo kabhi nahi sota.wahi ved ka eshwar hai.
@SDC
Your words:
“Just wanted to say this: When you are in the field of comparative religion, you should get used to such abuses. Abuses have been hurled at our idols as well. I do not think you have any claim to any higher moral ground in this respect.”
Re:
It’s not necessary. In the field of comparative religion If I dislike something I extract it & do not believe in it. My life is not such aimless or worthless to lest it for being used in mocking, ridiculing by using dirty filthy language such a thing I dislike & don’t wanna believe in it, I JUST EXTRACT IT FROM MY LIFE – I extracted your idols from my life, I’m strictly against to worship idols. If I know anything is wrong then it means wrong nothing more than this , I’ll not like to waste even a single moment of my life over such a thing I dislike. This is my way.
To you be your way to me mine.
Are you also against grave worship?
Anyways, there are others of your ilk who indulge in mocking other faiths, and you have to answer them in a befitting manner.
kurani allah pagal hai ya ” moodi” ? jab mood bana sansar bana diya atma [rooh] banadi adam bana diya adam se havva bana di fir bhul ko sudhar diya ab nari se nar paida kiye jate hai fir mood bana sage bhai -bahano me sex karva diya fir sudhar kiya ab sage bhai bahano me sex band karva diya ? mood bana 124 hajar nabi rasool bhej diye mood bana band kar diye ? mood bana muhammad ji se chand ke tukde karva diye mood bana chand ke tukde judva diye mood bana isai v yahudi se dosti n karne ka adesh jari kar diya[dekhe kuran 5/51] mood bana isai v yahudi ki mahila se nikah karne ka adesh de diya ?[dekhe kuran 5/5]kurani allah ka mood bana muhammd ji ki god li huyi bete ki bibi se nikah khud karvba diya fir jab mood bana to mauhmmad jiki santane paida karva di fir mood badla to sabhi santano ko[fatima ji ke alawa,vah bhi muhammad ji ke marne ke kuch mah bad hi “bhari jawani” me mar gayi] unki ankh ke samne marva diya? santane di kyo fir chini kyo kaun se “kukarmo” ki saza kurani allah ne apne “pyare ” v antim rasool muhammad ji ko di ?ham to yahi dekh te hai ki kurani allah ke dushman kaafir v samany muslim ki ankho ke samne unki paida ki huyi santane nahi marti hai fir yah “julm ” kurani allah me muhammad ji ke prati kyo kiya ?muahmmad ji ko dukhi kyo kiya aisa mood kurani allah ne kyo banaya ?muhammad ji ko santane di kyo fir dekar chini kyo? muhammad ji ki ankho me aansu laye kyo ?kurani allah ka mood bana apne rasool kahalane vale isa masih ka vivah bhi nahi karvaya unko sex ke maze lene se vanchit kar diya ” bhari jawani “me unko maut de di ! aur MUHAMMAD JI KO SEX KARNE KE LIYE MAHILAO KA” BHANDAR” DE DIYA AUR SATH ME YAH BHI CHHOOT DE DI NIKAH KE PAHALE BHI JISSE BHI ICHHA AYE USKO BANDI BANAKAR SEX KAR SAKTE HO VAH LAUNDI BANKAR RAHANE KO MAJBUR RAHEGI 1 IS MOODI KURANI ALLAH KO KYO MANA JAYE ?
@GP
You reminds me that the children Adam & Eve were get married among themselves this was because to increase the human population, to full fill this necessity He made this law, the purpose was just to increase the human population but later on this law was changed by Allah & He made a new law the children from the same parent cant marry, but can with cousins & others, because the problem to increase the population was full filled. So Allah doesn’t confuse but He makes Laws according to human requirements.
Islam believes in the theory of creation not in Darwinist Theory of Evolution. The idea/assumption that organism might evolve through time, with one type of organism into another type of organism, it refers to the process that life transformed to the vast diversity from it earlier stage. I’m an Fsc. but still studying, in my 2nd year text there’re few pages regarding Evolution but through my text & Google study I can say that but it is not agreeable because of many reasons:
–Darwin himself regarded his theory based on assumptions, he has just fossil records.
–Evolution is a “Theory” not Law.
–The evolutionists’ claim that the life started from “first cell”. Who created first cell? The evolutionists cannot answer. Modern biologists have rejected this claim.
–As per this Theory living things were not created but came into being by chance, the DNA molecule is so complex that it cannot be accidental .
–Life comes from life has been proved. But The theory of “spontaneous generation”, which asserts that non-living materials came together to form living organism has been rejected.
–laws of inheritance discovered by Mendel and verified by the science of genetics have nullified the theory of evolutionary mechanism.
–All Biologist are not agree with Darwin. His Theory has been rejected by many scientists.
Adam and Eve were Middle Eastern Jewish mythology characters on the origins of the humans. Islam is the Arab version of Judaism so copied the Jewish creation myths.
Every ethnic group that had their own religion had their own stories on how the human race came to be. Here is a site listing some of the creation myths of the world including the creation myths of Judaism and its two Jewish later versions (Christianity and Islam). http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html
Here is an explanation of “theory” in science “A scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.”[1][2] Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and do not make apodictic propositions; instead, they aim for predictive and explanatory force.[3][4]
The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, which is measured by its ability to make falsifiable predictions with respect to those phenomena. Theories are improved as more evidence is gathered, so that accuracy in prediction improves over time. Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease.
Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[3] This is significantly different from the word “theory” in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative.[5]”…Both scientific laws and scientific theories are produced from the scientific method through the formation and testing of hypotheses, and can predict the behavior of the natural world. Both are typically well-supported by observations and/or experimental evidence.[23] However, scientific laws are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.[24] Scientific theories are broader in scope, and give overarching explanations of how nature works and why it exhibits certain characteristics. Theories are supported by evidence from many different sources, and may contain one or several laws.[25]
A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence has been accumulated. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law.[23][26]
Theories and laws are also distinct from hypotheses. Unlike hypotheses, theories and laws may be simply referred to as scientific fact.[27][28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
I would suggest that people read about the Theory of Evolution themselves. Here is a start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
@Jay
“A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence has been accumulated. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law.[23][26]”
Re:
okay,I know how a scientific theory produced, to prove theory can be remained as theory & scientific law can b remained as scientific only the above paragraph I pasted is required.
Maybe you more knowledge about science so tell can a theory can never b falsified as scientific law?
Your words:
Adam and Eve were Middle Eastern Jewish mythology characters on the origins of the humans. Islam is the Arab version of Judaism so copied the Jewish creation myths.
Re:
Mere an assumption.
@Jay
Sorry I made blunders in hurry so I rephrase again my question:
Maybe you have more knowledge about Science so tell me can a theory never b falsified as scientific law?
One more question:
As per Darwinist Theory of Evolution organism might evolve through time, with one type of organism into another type of organism, it refers to the process that life transformed to the vast diversity from it earlier stage.
As as per its we were monkey, now r human beings, BTW is this our end point or would we get another shape?
The answer is in the description already posted. Reread what is scientific theory and what is scientific law. They are two different concepts.
As for evolution, it is on going.
The assumption is by believers of this or that faith. One Middle Eastern ethnic group, the Jews, had their own creation myth of Adam and Eve, and Judaism’s two Jewish religious offshoots, Christianity and Islam retained Judaism’s creation myths. Everyone look at the link posted above and read the different creation myths from all around the world. Believers of those faiths believe those creation myths just like the Middle Eastern Jews (and followers of other branches of Judaism) believe in theirs.
@Maria.
Dear Sis, giving response doesnt means that u r giving answer to the question…..
1)Initially when I said Allah allows incest then you said “FALSE CHARGE!
Allah DOESN’T allow it IN ANY WAY. Give proof from QUR’AN, Hurry up now!” but when I shows it then u make a u turn and now u say initially he allowed and then he changed his rule….. But my dear sister rule will be changed when first it is laid…. and hurry up tell me where it is in Quran say Allah allows incest and also where he changed the rule … proof from Quran….
2)After reading ur comments, u also indiretly said that Allah is not only confused but also a big fool….. If he really want to increase the population then he would have created 100 and lacs of couple instead of Adam and Eve…. Then there would be no need to change the rule.As humanbeing of common understanding like me can also understand this but ur Allah the all knower couldnot…. If population increase is fulfilled then why this muslim breed like a pig by saying allah ki den hai…
3)I know logically u cannot give me answer instead of introspecting you create another fairy tale…. which I knew that u will give some fairy tale to fill this gap just see my earlier post….. You are college going girl, educated lady, I expected that u will introspect over logically….. take ur time two three days or so….and come out with some logical conclusion which might be right or wrong that is different point…. or atleast will say I dont know ..can be possible, there are so many things which we dont know… but you are so enthu to prove ur point that u come out with one more fairy tale……. If u says to the kids there is possibility that he/she will beleive …. Now-a- days kids are also smart they will laugh it out at ur face…..
4) I never told that I agree/disagree with Darwin evolution…. I even know that even u dont know completely the darwins evolution theory and other theories but to prove ur point u also copy pasted from some where for giving an impression that u know and Also concluded by stating that “All Biologist are not agree with Darwin. His Theory has been rejected by many scientists” but dear, Biologist are also agree that we all are not born out of single parents… then why u not also agree on this and reject Adam & Eve assumption…… But I know u cannot because u r programmed in that way since childhood….. Atleast first u urself get convinced…
Above in one post u also mocked one Christian gentleman over Abhraham having sex with daughters but I think ur Allah allows it….So u indulge in sin by mocking at allah rules…
5) There will be a question/doubt in ur mind but at the same time ayat of quran will come which u have mugged for 15yrs like Shaitan will create doubt, kaffir will try to deceive u, worst creature, Imaan laho, Kafir wll not undstd as allah sealed their mind, Jews/Kafirs conspiracy, Rather they are a rebellious people. So, turn away from them (non-believers), for that you (believers) are not blamed.
And remind/teach (by preaching the Qur’ân,) verily, the reminding profits the believers.(51: 53-55) –> As Allah say remind/teach by preaching Quran so I’d like to say to you that stop this monkey business, don’t waist your time in condemning & abusing a thing you dislike & go do some yeoman’s service. You’re just wasting your time seriously!And he say: O my Lord! these are a folk who believe not. So turn away from them and say (to them): Salam (peace)! They will come to know soon.(43:88-89)
All this ayats were manufactured by Muhammad so his follower will never dare to think other way and be happy at wat crap they r following…..
But question still remains un answered. Jesus say “be like a child”.. Is it good to remain a child ?….
6) If there is god, his knowledge is complete, not changeable in any ages. Vedas is the first and the last book which still makes sense even after so many years and will not change in the years to come. Which also want u to beleive only after questioning and logically convinced. Vedic god is not afraid of questions on the contrary it encourages u to ask….Pls reject the false Man made imaginary god and books and come to the one and only ishwar….
7) In ur country, u r braiwashed since childhood that Hindus are cunning, worst creature, fools, bewakuf etc.. U might have hate this Arya samajis but u will see this Arya samajis include people who were earlier moulvi and all. U can also search for video of Pandit Mahendra Pal. Who was Maulvi and peace loving muslim like u…..He is more fluent in Arabic and knowlegeable in islam than true follower of islam
May ishwar give u courage to reject the false and accept the truth…..
@GP
Your words:
“Above in one post u also mocked one Christian gentleman over Abhraham having sex with daughters but I think ur Allah allows it….So u indulge in sin by mocking at allah rules”.
Re:
I just showed him what does his bible say regarding the attributes of Prophets. Because he was saying A Prophet can’t marry a girl of 9. So I didn’t mock him but just showed him the verse 4 his own book. Read the postings of “raj.hyd” & “jay shankar” you would know ‘what is mocking’? One can analyse any text.
@GP
“I never told that I agree/disagree with Darwin evolution.”
Re:
But still u r trying to convince me my religion is flawed by Evolution Theory – Absurd/dnot make any sense!
” to prove ur point u also copy pasted from some where for giving an impression.”
Re;
To my mind I typed & pasted things I can understand.
U still makes me laugh by saying I wanna Impress u, 4 your kind info I DON”T wanna impress YOU, If it’s so then I should accept your Veda that’d b a great impression on u. Religious views & views related with it are the matter of death & life, If one start to impress people, Hell-fire would b waiting for him according to my scripture – I impress Allah this is enough!
“even know that even u dont know completely the darwins evolution theory and other theories”
Re;
I think you don’t have any Bachelor degree in any kind of science even an intermediate degree. What I typed & pasted regarding Evolution (except one or two things) doesn’t need any proof. Many things can b found even in 8th or 9th class science text. DNA is a complex molecule even a 8th class child can tell u this thing i.e law of inheritance can b found in Matric text – yes i don’t know completely about Evolution I’m not in Fsc. but waiting for its result would still studying & In-shaa-Allah I’ll learn the whole concept of Evolution.
” But question still remains un answered. Jesus say “be like a child”.. Is it good to remain a child ?”
Re;
What do u mean?
To be Continued..
@Maria
Your words:
“I just showed him what does his bible say regarding the attributes of Prophets. …………. One can analyse any text.”
Re:
Abhrahamic story is also part of Quranic history… So if u think that is wrong then that applies to Quran also…. By showing him what u want to prove? “ Hamaam se sab nange hai”…. If sex with daughter is wrong then 55yrs old marrying and consumate 9yr kid is CRIME… even animal will not do such pathetic thing…. Being a female u dont even think it is wrong …strange… I am young in my 20ties ,even thinking of marrying 10yrs old kid is ridiculous… Thought of it only , my heart fill with guilt… SO ur beloved prophet is 55yrs and height is that Allah approves him also…… Maria, pls empathise with girl then u will know how it feels …Because of this act of Mohammad so many little kids body has been ravished by old donkeys in last 1500yrs… Both act is patetic so no sane person/ god will allow such act..
Your words:
“But still u r trying to convince me my religion is flawed by Evolution Theory – Absurd/dnot make any sense!”
Re:
By the way Quran itself doesnt make sense….. Just read before replying…. Evolution theory attaked the foundation of Adam & Eve assumption and thats the reason Church opposed it …. I dont feel u will get convinced by church opposition..
I wrote only one sentence of evolution because my logic also attacked ur foundation of Adam & Eve assumption which is no where near to evolution….
See dear, Scientific laws doesnot change… If monkey can change to human then it should change in this age also but we dont see it now…… Instead of writing on all scientific mombo jumbo which u urself cannot understand wat is the use… Keep it simple dear…..
I have shown the flaw in ur religion by showing u the contradiction of Allahs Law and never try to convince u on evolution theory… Agreeing / Disagreeing of evolution doesn’t matter here… pls dont deviate from the topic.
Your word:
“To my mind I typed & pasted things I can understand.
U still makes me laugh by saying I wanna Impress u, 4 your kind info ……………………. Hell-fire would b waiting for him according to my scripture – I impress Allah this is enough!”
Re:
Impress and impression are 2 different word… I never told that u try to impress me.. but I told impression that u know/ of knowledge…. How can u accept Veda without reading and knowing it…. be truthful instead of impressing… Hell fire…hehe wake up dear… u r in dream state..
Your word:
“I think you don’t have any Bachelor degree in any kind of science even an intermediate degree. ————————-DNA is a complex molecule even a 8th class child can tell u this thing i.e law of inheritance can b found in Matric text – yes i don’t know completely about Evolution I’m not in Fsc. but waiting for its result would still studying & In-shaa-Allah I’ll learn the whole concept of Evolution.”
Re:
Kowing the word and knowing the meaning are two different things… See dear now ur discussing abt piece of paper(i.e; some degree) dont worry even i have collected many…I hope we r not discussing abt this…. DNA molecule is complex then it can no way be created by Allah because he cannot even figure out that creating one couple will results into incest so that he need to change his law in future…. Even 8th class child can figure out this.. Pls dont waste ur time in reading Evolution for discussing here.
Your word:
“What do u mean?”
Re:
I mean “GROW UP”…Stop beleiving in all fairy tale(prophet,flying donkey, cutting moon, hellfire, janah) which u cannot comprehend logically.
At last, Pl go through the complete conversation , I think u delibretaly keep mum in the relevant question and replied only to the irrelevant… First u justify jihad on burma and after that u felt that u will corner me on Allah incest law as u will be expert on this but as the discussion proceed …now u r discussing abt evolution/bachelor degree which for me is irrelevant here…. Pls be in the topic.
If there is god / gods law, he cannot contradict or his law cannot be in contradiction… His kowledge is complete so no need for any additional book… So Vedas is first and last book which is applicable even now and will be hence forth. There r many religious book in india but incase of any contradiction vedas is supreme….. Geeta is best commentary on Vedas given by Krishna.. Pls do read It will guide u in the world of sprituality….
Also listen the Mahendra Pal (former Moulvi) on women in islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMCXtwzqKbY&feature=relmfu
@GP
You typed about Vedas – Veda is not a religious book & according to Vedic God Relgion is not Important , there is no hell paradise, it is not important that in which sect a person is – The basic requirement is one should b pious, this is Vedic God principle it means it is very easy for me to full fill this principle without leaving my religion . So why should I leave my Islam?
@antiagniveer,aapni philosophy par sharm mahsus kar rahe ho.hahaha…hindu jab tahakikat karta hai tab sab tarike apnata hai.islam ki philosophy ALLAH ke irdgird ghumti hai,isliye allah ki tahakikat karna hi islam ki philosophy hai.kyo ghabra raha hai???hum to eswar ki tahkikat me nahi ghabrate.hahaha..hindu ki sary philosophy drasta yane dekhanewale ki baat karti hai.rup drushya hai,netra drasta hai,wo netra bhi drushya hai man uska drasta hai.aur sab buddhivrutti drushya hai,uska dekhnewala(drasta) hai sakshi.jo kisi ka bhi drushya nahi hai.EK hi netra ANEK neele peele,barik,mote rup ko dekhta hai.EK hi man netra ka andhapan,kam dikhana,aadi dharm ko dekhta hai.usi prakar aur indriyonki babat hai.is ka arth hua gyan ki indirya panch hai par drasta ek hai man hai.ab ye man bhi agar drushya hoga to us me bhi anektaye hongi.kam,krodh,lobh,moh,mad,matsar,bhay,laaj,dhiraj. In sab man ki vruttiyonko ek hi chaitanya saksi hokar dekh raha hai.uske prakashit hone se hi sab prakashit hote hai,ye sakshi hi ved ka eswar hai.ab tu ye nahi kah sakta ki muze sakshi dekhai nahi padta???to tu zuth bol raha hai,sota hai tab aankh band honepar bhi tu sapna kaise dekhta hai??kis aankh se??jagne par tu kyo kahta maine sapna DEKHA.iska arth hua koi bhitar sakshi hai,jo tere sone ki awasta ko bhi dekh raha hai.allah to tuze bhitar nahi dikhega par ved ka eswar jo sakshi hai dikhega.hahaha????
jab aadmi sapna dekhta hai,tab wo aapne bhitar pura jagat nirmit karta hai.jaisa jagat bahar hota hai vaise hi bhitar hota hai.bahar,chand,suraj,aakash,zamin,diwar achal hai to us ke sapne me bhi wo achal hote hai.is ka arth hua wo jo duniya banata hai wo apni man ki shakti se banata hai.koi bhi mehanat,samugri,sadhan use nahi karta.kyo wo allah ka sathidar nahi hai kya???thodi der ke liye to wo duniya banta hai,duniya me rahta hai,aur duniya ko distroy bhi karta hai,wo creator bhi hai distroyer bhi hai,is se bhi wo sathidar nahi hoga?????hahaha…..
@pagal-shankar, main isse zyada kiya kehsakta hun ki “Lage raho shankar BHAI”
tum koi pagal type aadmi ho jo apni baton ke antarvirodh ko nahi dekh parah.. kuch dikhata hun
jab humne kaha ki Allah mahan hai to tumne kaha ki agar “hai” lagaoge to present tense hoga aur uska matlab hoga ki pehle nahi tha aur ab atune kiya likha hai??? ki vedon ka ishwar mahan se bhi mahan “hai”???????????????????????????????????????
iska matlab pehle mahan nahi tha?? bahut sidhi baat hai.. ab laffazi mat start kar dena.
tune kaha ki kan se bhi chota “hai”??? yani pehle chota nahi tha??? aise hi teri saari bakwas par questions uthai ja sakte hain aur tu khud dekh sakta hai ki tere ilzam mein jhol kahan hain.
tune kaha ki tu sapno mein bhi dekhta hai aise vedon ka ishwar dikhta hai?? kiya tu pagal to nahi ho gaya? jab maine kaha ki islam k hisab se duniya ki har cheez aur khud hamari body aur sara alam is baat ki gawahi de raha hai ki isse kisi ne banay hai aur wih ise chala raha hai aur wohi Allah hai to tujhe aitraz tha
ab mein aitraz karta hun taki tujhe pata lage ki jhol kahan hai..
kiya sote mein dekhna waise hi dekhna hai? kiya tu vedon k ishwar ko sapnon mein dekhta hai? jis cheez ko tu dekh nahi sakta yaani kan se bhi chota aur sabse bara se bhi bara to manta kaise hai ?
kiya tu sirf janta hai aur manta nahi? islam ka jab sawal aata hai to kehta hai ki jo dikhai nahi dega use nahi manoge aur jab baat vedon ki ishwar ki aye to khwab mein dekhne laga??
kiya tu pagal ho gay hai? aur 4 rishiyon ko bhi janta hai par manta nahi? kiyunki tu andhvishwasi nahi hai??? aur apne dada-pardada ko bhi janta hai par manta nahi?
kaisa vedanti hai jo itna dohra mapdand rakhta hai? kiya jo cheez dikhai nahi deti use nahi manta?
yeh shankar kaun hai??
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 7-Then Allah’s Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with
terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, “Cover me! Cover me!” They covered him till
his fear was over and then he said, “O Khadija, what is wrong with me?” Then he told her
everything that had happened and said, ‘I fear that something may happen to me.” Khadija
said, ‘Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah.
Let’s further compare Muhammad’s experience with Biblical stories of men who
had experiences with God. Noah – Gen. 6. God speaks to Noah and tells him that He is going to destroy the earth. Noah does not panic, become depressed, or driven by fear. He knows that this God speaking to him,
and there is no need for rash action. Noah knows this is God, and Noah does not become
irrational. Noah knows that this God is not going to harm him. Abraham – Gen. 12 – 18. God speaks to Abraham. Abraham does not panic, Abraham is not bewildered, Abraham does not doubt or become depressed, Abraham believes and obeys. God visited
Abraham, yet neither he nor Sarah attempts any rash actions. Moses – Ex. 3 – 34 God appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Moses was afraid to look at God but Moses does not act paranoid. He knew that this God was not a God of terror. Moses did
not run back to his family frightened out of his mind. Moses did not become depressed
over the event, thinking he was possessed or bewitched. Instead, because Moses
personally experienced this God and knew he could trust this God, Moses knew and
obeyed. Isaiah – Isaiah 6 Isaiah had a powerful vision and experience of God. Yet he did not lose his mind, he was not driven by dread of God. He feared God because of the sin in his heart, and the
sinfulness of the people he dwelt among, but he did not panic. During this experience he
realized God had forgiven him and accepted him. Because he experienced the real God,
Isaiah did not attempt suicide or any other rash action. His mind was sound, he did not
need to have a “spirit” continue to sooth him. Mary – Luke 1. The real Gabriel also visited Mary. She too was perplexed and afraid. But during her experience with Gabriel, she gained confidence and strength. She knew God loved
her. She did not become irrational or depressed, and she did not run around frightened
out of her mind. She did not attempt suicide. Instead, because she experienced the living
God, she knew she was loved and accepted. She knew this God was real, and she had
nothing to fear. Jesus – Mark 1. When Jesus Christ began His ministry, He was baptized in water. The Holy Spirit descended upon Him. God spoke from heaven, and the people there heard God speak,
“This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.” There were no panic attacks,
depression, or doubt. And, after Jesus was challenged by Satan in
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 8 –
The prophet of Islam committed SHIRK – he was a hypocrite – he made himself Allah’s partner! Read carefully….
O you who believe, obey Allah and His Messenger … ” (8:20) “Say: obey Allah and
obey the Messenger … ” (24:54) … “Obey Allah and the Messenger and perhaps you will
be shown mercy.” (3:132) “If you obey him, you will be guided … ” (24:54) “Whoever
obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah … ” (4:79) “That what the Messenger brings you
and leave what he forbids you … ” (59:7) “Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger is
with those whom Allah has blessed.” (4:68) “We did not send any Messenger but for him to be obeyed by the permission of Allah.” (4:63) … “Whoever obeys me has obeyed Allah. Whoever rebels against me has rebelled
against Allah. …” (Muslim and al Bukhari)Obeying the Messenger is part of obeying Allah
since Allah commands that he be obeyed. True obedience is obedience to Allah’s
command and therefore obedience to His Prophet. … In the hadith of Abu Hurayrah we find that the Prophet said, “All of my community
will enter the Garden except for those who refuse to.” They asked, “O Messenger of
Allah, who will refuse?” He replied, “Whoever obeys me will enter the Garden. Whoever
rebels against me has refused.” (Al Hakim) … “It is like someone who builds a house and lays out a fine feast in it and sends out a
summoner. Whoever does not answer the summoner does not enter the house and eat
from the feast.” (Muslim and al Bukhari)
Again read carefully…
“His the Kingdom of the Heavens and of the Earth! No son hath He begotten! No partner hath He in his Empire! ” Al-Koran, Surah XXV. “…when One God was proclaimed to you, ye believed not: but when partners had been united with him, ye believed…” Al-Koran, Surah XL. “…Verily, if thou join partners with God , vain shall be all thy work, and thyself shalt be of those who perish.” Al-Koran, Surah XXXIX. “SAY: Come, I will rehearse what your Lord hath made binding on youthat ye assign
not aught to Him as partner;” Al-Koran, Surah VI.
That Mohammad was a hopelessly confused moron – but at least he could blame his
delusions on mental illness and hallucinations.
@antiagniveer,dimag me hosh aa gaya kya?hahaha…tu abhi bhi ”hai” ke zol se wakib nahi hua.tune hosh ki baat kari hai is liye batata hu.do sentence hai tere samne ab tu hi tay kar ki kisme ”hai” hai.kyoki jab mai hai lagaunga to tu fir ved ke eswar ko lagayega,is se ”zol” ka anth nahi honewala.1)”anurenuyan mahatomahiyan” – aanu se anu aur mahan se mahan 2) “allah-hu-akbar”- hu yane hai.God is great… Maine bhitar dekhne ko kaha hai,jaise sapna bhitar hai hosh bhi hai tu sirf sapne ki dekhne ki baat kyo karta hai???hahaha….hosh se hi ved ke eswar ko dekha jata hai..ab rahi ved ke rishi ki baat,ab jab muze khud unke satya ka sakshat hua to hi ve satya honge,nahi to nahi.’sarva khalvidam bramh’ ‘tat-tvam-aasi’ iska muze apne antas me gyan hua, to ye satya huye,manane se nahi huye.is liye ved ke rishi ko main satya kahta hu,manta nahi.shankar ko third eye hai,jab wo kisi par pade to use bhasm karti hai,yahi shankar hai.
@lage raho shankar bhai, kya jawab diya hai.. wah maza aagaya… kardi na vedanti wali baat..hahahaha
bahut maza aagaya.. zara apna purana comment parhna.. kiya tumne yeh nahi likha ki woh mahan se bhi mahan hai???? aur jab maine hai par sawal kiya to kaha ki //aanu se anu aur mahan se mahan// ??
asal main tum log akhirat ko wahan k hisab kitab ko nahi mante isliye tumhare liye jhut sach ki koi ahmiyat nahi.
doosri baat aise to koi bhi keh sakta hai ki mere antarmann ne kaha ki Allah hai aur quran haque hai to sawal uthane ki gunjaish kahan??
jab quran aur Allah ki baat aati hai to har cheez tumhein dikhao warna nahi manoge aur jab ved ki baat aati hai to antarmann ne kehdiya ki 4 rishi satya hai to tumne satya kaha par confuse itne ho ki mante nahi?
bhai inhi philosophies main uljhe rahoge to pagal ho jaoge.
aur shankar ki third eye hoti hai etc etc yeh koi answer hai?
maine kaha ki tumne kahan dekha hai? jab dekha to kaise mante ho? phir to tum andhvishwasi hue?
par problem yeh hai ki tum kuch mante hi nahi, tumhara koi faith koi belief hi nahi to tumhari koi haisiyat hi nahi hui.. tum koi baat karne layaque hi nahi hue?
//shankar ko third eye hai,jab wo kisi par pade to use bhasm karti hai,yahi shankar hai.//
kiya shankar koi tree hai ya train hai? kuch to hoga? ya sirf third eye hai? kiya tumne dekha hai? kisi par parte dekha hai?
@antiagniveer,tera dimag kaam nahi kar raha kya?? dimag zara hosh se bhar phir dekh…hahaha….tu abhi bhi ”hai” ke zol se waqib nahi hua..hahaha..”hai” ke zol me rahna hi to vedanti bhram kahate hai,aur tu usi me uljha hai.hahaha…..muze koi bhi chiz bata jo ‘hai’ ??? Agar tuze koi chiz ‘hai’ dikhegi to uska past,present,future manana padega???aa gaya na chhakar???hahaha..tu jaha jaha ‘hai’ lagayega dimag kharab hone ka sabut dega..hahaha…vedanti is ‘hai’ ke zol se waqib hai,isliye hai ka istemal karte hai.antarman ko dekhna aur antarman se kahna ye do virodhi baate hai.chor tumare ghar chori kare aur tumse kahe bhaisaab chori maine nahi ki,to tum sawal na uthaoge,koi bhi gunjaish nahi rahegi?hahaha…pahali to baat ye hai ki allah bhitar nahi hai,bahar hai.ab bahar ko dekhna ho to bahar ki aankh hi kam aati hai.allah bahar dikhta nahi,jo dikhta nahi aise hullah,zullah kullah ko bhi manana padega??4rishi ko satya mana bhitar ke satya ke karan,haddi,chamdi se nahi.belief ka sawal hi kaha hai jab janana hai to??ye shankar mahakal hai jis kal me tu bhi hai aur main bhi hu.simit third eye yane mrutyu,asimit third eye yane mahamrutyu jaha mrutyu dekhegi samjna simit third eye padi,jab vishva hi khatam hoga tab asimit third eye padi.
@”lage raho shankar bhai” laffazi koi tumse sikhe… kabhi apni aane wali generation ko apne comment parhana kiyunki mujhe ummedhai voh ved ved ka chakkar chor chukein hongein aur kisi ache school se education leingein aur phir bataeinge ki “zol” kahan hai .. hahaha
byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 9 – islam ka arth peace nahi hai,nahi tha aur nahi rahega.islam ka arth hai sharanagati.kuch akal ke diwane jaise batate hai islam=peace bebunuyad aur sabse bada jhuth hai.Islam=Submission,Salam=Well-being/Peace,(Derivation of Salama=The stinging of a snake or the tanning of theleather,Saleema=To be saved or to escape from danger(when refering to a female),Saleem=To be saved or to escape from danger(when refering to a male),Aslam=To submit,Istaslama=To surrender,Tasleem=To receive a salutationor becoming submitted
he root word of Islam
is “al-silm” which means “submission” or “surrender.”
It is understood to mean “submission to Allah.” In
spite of whatever noble intention has caused many a
Muslim to claim that Islam is derived primarily from peace, this is not true. Allah says in the Qur’an
(translated): [2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and
that which is revealed to us and that which was
revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and
Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and
Jesus received, and that which the prophets
received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have
surrendered. [Arabic “Muslimoon”] A secondary root of Islam may be “Al-Salaam” (peace),
however the text of the Qur’an makes it clear that
Allah has clearly intended the focus of this way of life
to be submission to Him. This entails submission to
Him at all times, in times of peace, war, ease, or difficulty.Qur’an 5:3 says Islam is a deen (religion) Today, I have perfected your religion (dīn) for you; I
have completed My blessing upon you; I have
approved Islam for your religion Qur’an 5:3,Qur’an 3:19 says Islam is submission to Allah The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His
Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent
therefrom except through envy of each other, after
knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the
Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Qur’an 3:19,
Dear friends
yeh ek bahut hi aacha blog hai jaha hum kuch discuss kar sakte hai so i request all of you to give respesct to each other and have guts to accept the truth………
@GP, you have written //See dear, Scientific laws doesnot change//
you are saying that scientific laws do not change and talking about evolution “THEORY”???
can u not understand difference between theory and LAWS??? can you tell me which evolution theory is unequivocally accepted by the scientists only? and which evolution theory has become now law or fact?
have you not learned about neo-darwinism or neo lamarkism?
ypu are saying to Maria that because she has not studied veda so she cant understand the vedic religion or teachings but sorry to ask you have you read all veda? i have not met a single hindu in my life who had studied veda? even your Hindu fellows are not interested in veda then it means that todays Hindus even do not know about Hindu religion?
Mr. mahendra pal has claimed that if Muslims answer his 15 question(copy psted from satyarth prakash) then he will accept Islam and you can read all his answers here
http://islamhinduism.com/responses/arya-samaj/112-reply-to-pandit-mahendra-pal-arya but still he has not accepted Islam??
GP see the standard of your arya mahendra paal …kitna jhut likhta hai yeh aadmi ..see the question asked by mahendrapal and answer by islamhinduismdotcomप्रश्न २
उत्तर
पंडित जी आपके दुसरे प्रश्न में भी काफी गलतियाँ हैं|
गलती १. फरिश्तों ने मिटटी लाने से मना किया. इस का कोई प्रमाण कुरआन से दीजिए.
गलती २. ये ‘अजाजील’ नाम आप कहाँ से ले आये? कुरआन में इब्लीस का वर्णन है. और यह भी आपने गलत कहा है की वह फ़रिश्ता था. कुरआन तो स्पष्ट कहता हे कि इब्लीस जिन था [देखो सूरह १८: आयत ५०]
गलती ३. ‘अजाजील ने कहा की अल्लाह आपने तो आपको छोड़ दुसरे को सिजदा करने को मना किया था’ यह भी गलत है’. इब्लीस ने ऐसा कभी नहीं कहा. पंडित जी कृपया कुरआन से अपने दावों का प्रमाण भी दिया करें. यह सजदा सम्मान का प्रतीक था न कि इबादत का सजदा. वेदों में भी शब्द नमन (झुकना/सजदा) को ईश्वर के अलावा अन्य के लिए प्रयोग किया गया है. उदाहरण के लिए देखिये ऋग्वेद १०:३०:६
“जिस प्रकार युवतियें युवा पुरुष के प्रति नमती हैं..”
आपका प्रश्न तो वेदों पर भी आता है.
गलती ४. ये आप ने ठीक कहा की अल्लाह ने आदम को सारी वस्तुओं के नाम बताए. लेकिन आपत्ति करने से पहले इसका अर्थ तो समझ लेते. ‘वस्तुओं के नाम सिखाना’ प्रतीक है ज्ञान का. अर्थात आदम (मानवता) की विशेषता ज्ञान होगा. फरिश्तों ने एक शंका व्यक्त की थी कि क्या मनुष्य पृथ्वी पर बिगाड़ पैदा करे गा? उस शंका को दूर करने के लिए अल्लाह ने आदम को ज्ञान प्रदान किया. येही ज्ञान है जिसके कारण मनुष्य ने क्या क्या कारनामे नहीं किये हैं यहाँ तक कि इंसान चाँद पर भी पहुँच गया है. इस ज्ञान से इंसान ने हर वस्तु को अपने काबू में कर लिया.
हर वस्तु की अपनी विशेषता होती हे और अल्लाह ने इंसान को ज्ञान प्राप्त कर तरक्की करने की विशेषता दी है. इसी ज्ञान से वह अल्लाह को भी पहचानता है. इस घटना से अल्लाह ने हमें यह समझाया है कि फ़रिश्ते, जिन और इंसान उतना ही जान सकते हैं जितना अल्लाह ने उन्हें ज्ञान दिया है.
गलती ५. आप कहते हैं कि ‘अज़ाजील (इब्लीस) को गुस्सा आना स्वाभाविक था’. यह तो सरासर गलत हे. इब्लीस ने आदम के सामने केवल घमंड के कारण सजदा नहीं किया. कृपया कुरआन को ध्यान से पढये. कुरआन कहता हे
قَالَ يَا إِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَيَّ ۖ أَسْتَكْبَرْتَ أَمْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ
(अल्लाह ने) कहा, “ऐ इबलीस! तूझे किस चीज़ ने उसको सजदा करने से रोका जिसे मैंने अपने दोनों हाथों से बनाया? क्या तूने घमंड किया, या तू कोई ऊँची हस्ती है?”
قَالَ أَنَا خَيْرٌ مِنْهُ ۖ خَلَقْتَنِي مِنْ نَارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُ مِنْ طِينٍ
उसने कहा, “मैं उससे उत्तम हूँ। तूने मुझे आग से पैदा किया और उसे मिट्टी से पैदा किया।”[सुरह साद ३८: आयत ७५-७६]
तो इससे सिद्ध होता है कि इब्लीस ने केवल घमंड के कारण अल्लाह की आज्ञा को नहीं माना. उसने अपने आप को दुसरे (आदम) से उच्च समझ लिया. इस लिए अल्लाह ने कोई पक्षपात नहीं किया. आपकी समझ का फेर है.
गलती ६. आप कहते हैं कि “अज़ाजील को नाम बताए बिना पुछा जाना कि अगर तुम सत्यवादी हो तो सभी चीज़ों के नाम बताओ”
आपक कृपया ये कुरान से प्रमाण दीजिये कि इब्लीस (आपका अज़ाजील) को कहाँ पुछा नाम बताओ? नाम तो फरिश्तों से पूछे गए इब्लीस से नहीं. लगता हे आपने कुरान ठीक से पढ़ा ही नहीं. आपने तो सारी घटना ही उलट पुलट बयान कि है.
अब में आपकी कोन कोन सी गलती निकालूँ ?
@anti-agniveer
Why are you engaged in such stupid refutations? This does not serve any purpose. We are aware Islam is evil on the name of religion. In Islam nothing knowledgeable but fairly tales of angles, virgins, Jinn etc. Now soleve my queries.
__________आप ने ठीक कहा की अल्लाह ने आदम को सारी वस्तुओं के नाम बताए_________
Does Computer, Camera, Video Game, Television, etc also include in them? And Proof please?
___________ इब्लीस ने आदम के सामने केवल घमंड के कारण सजदा नहीं किया________
Allah himself had denied the Iblis not to bow before except Allah. Iblish had no fault.
______“ऐ इबलीस! तूझे किस चीज़ ने उसको सजदा करने से रोका जिसे मैंने अपने दोनों हाथों से बनाया________
It proves Allah has two hands. So, Allah has form. Islamic claim of Allah’s formlessness refuted here.
@Truth hater, why are u in so much hurry to refute the answer? you should start refuting from first point..
गलती १. फरिश्तों ने मिटटी लाने से मना किया. इस का कोई प्रमाण कुरआन से दीजिए.
गलती २. ये ‘अजाजील’ नाम आप कहाँ से ले आये? कुरआन में इब्लीस का वर्णन है. और यह भी आपने गलत कहा है की वह फ़रिश्ता था. कुरआन तो स्पष्ट कहता हे कि इब्लीस जिन था [देखो सूरह १८: आयत ५०]
and so on.. you have ignored these points because you know Mr. pandit mahendar pal has done mistake and he does not have any knowledge of Quran?
@anti-agniveer
Are you coward, stupid because you are writing your self anti – agniveer
Agniveer means Bravo, Best.
अयं अग्निर्वीरतमो (यजुर्वेद १५.५२) I am Agniveer. I am the Best.
@truth hater, are you fool? if some stupid claim himself “I am Mahendrapal arya, I am the best” then any one rejecting his false claim wil become coward?
yajurveda can be standard for you but it is not standard for me.
@Anti agniveer ji, jab param adarniy shri iblees ji farishto me se nahi the to farishto ko diye gaye kurani allah ka adesh uspar lagu bhi kaise ho sakte the? fir iblees ji ke viruddh sizda n karne ki tohamat kurani allah ne kyo lagayi ? iblees ko kuranialalah ne dand kyo diya ? kya yah kurani allah ka julm nahi hai ?
@truth hater, sabse bari baat yeh ki jo points tum utha rahe ho yeh so called pandit ji k hain hi nahin? ya to yeh uske question mein hote aur answer na diya gaya hota tab to tumhari baat thikthi lekin tum to naye points le aaye to iska matlab pandit “g” k answer to de diye gaye na?? tum mante ho??
@anti-agniveer
I do not compare my self with Pandit Ji & I do not know him also. But I can refute anyone. No Muslim have dare to debate with me. Do you have? If you refute me I will accept Islam with my whole family & will preach Islam.
____आप ने ठीक कहा की अल्लाह ने आदम को सारी वस्तुओं के नाम बताए_________
Does Computer, Camera, Video Game, Television, etc also include in them? And Proof please?
___________ इब्लीस ने आदम के सामने केवल घमंड के कारण सजदा नहीं किया________
Allah himself had denied the Iblis not to bow before except Allah. Iblish had no fault.
______“ऐ इबलीस! तूझे किस चीज़ ने उसको सजदा करने से रोका जिसे मैंने अपने दोनों हाथों से बनाया________
It proves Allah has two hands. So, Allah has form. Islamic claim of Allah’s formlessness refuted here.
@truth hater, tabhi to main tujhe truth hater kehta hun kiyunki tujhe pata hai ki upar ythaye gaye points par tu kuch nahi bol sakta is liye tune sire se mana hi kar diya ki tu Mahendar pal arya ko nahi janta?
aryasamaj ka bachca bacha janta hai mahendar pal ko aur tumlog khud is website par baar baar kehte rehte ho ki mahendarpal challenge kar raha hai ZN ko to woh debate kiyun nahi karte pandit MP se.
tum you tube k link post karte rehte ho ki dekho Pandit MP ne ZN k chelon ko hara diya.
zahir baat hai ki tujh jaise jhute se koi musalman kaise debate jeet sakta hai(kiyunki musalman sach hi bolega jitne k liye jhut nahi bolega..agar hum jante hain ZN ko to kehtein hain ki han hum jante hain.)
@truth hater, adam alaihissalam ko kaun kaun se naam bataye gaye humein nahi pata par explain to kiya hai na ki //गलती ४. ये आप ने ठीक कहा की अल्लाह ने आदम को सारी वस्तुओं के नाम बताए. लेकिन आपत्ति करने से पहले इसका अर्थ तो समझ लेते. ‘वस्तुओं के नाम सिखाना’ प्रतीक है ज्ञान का. अर्थात आदम (मानवता) की विशेषता ज्ञान होगा. फरिश्तों ने एक शंका व्यक्त की थी कि क्या मनुष्य पृथ्वी पर बिगाड़ पैदा करे गा? उस शंका को दूर करने के लिए अल्लाह ने आदम को ज्ञान प्रदान किया. येही ज्ञान है जिसके कारण मनुष्य ने क्या क्या कारनामे नहीं किये हैं यहाँ तक कि इंसान चाँद पर भी पहुँच गया है. इस ज्ञान से इंसान ने हर वस्तु को अपने काबू में कर लिया.
हर वस्तु की अपनी विशेषता होती हे और अल्लाह ने इंसान को ज्ञान प्राप्त कर तरक्की करने की विशेषता दी है. इसी ज्ञान से वह अल्लाह को भी पहचानता है. इस घटना से अल्लाह ने हमें यह समझाया है कि फ़रिश्ते, जिन और इंसान उतना ही जान सकते हैं जितना अल्लाह ने उन्हें ज्ञान दिया है.// yahan naam se matlab gyan hai ki insaan ki visheshta gyan hogi.
insaan apni budhi ko use karke aage barhega to farsihton ne maan liya ki yeh humse afzal aur alag tarah ki makhlooq hain… to aapko problem kiya hai?
@truth hater, your mistake no 6 whichis pending to refute.
—गलती ६. आप कहते हैं कि “अज़ाजील को नाम बताए बिना पुछा जाना कि अगर तुम सत्यवादी हो तो सभी चीज़ों के नाम बताओ”
आपक कृपया ये कुरान से प्रमाण दीजिये कि इब्लीस (आपका अज़ाजील) को कहाँ पुछा नाम बताओ? नाम तो फरिश्तों से पूछे गए इब्लीस से नहीं. लगता हे आपने कुरान ठीक से पढ़ा ही नहीं. आपने तो सारी घटना ही उलट पुलट बयान कि है.
अब में आपकी कोन कोन सी गलती निकालूँ ?
@truth hater, sabse bari baat yeh ki jo points tum utha rahe ho yeh so called pandit ji k hain hi nahin? ya to yeh uske question mein hote aur answer na diya gaya hota tab to tumhari baat thikthi lekin tum to naye points le aaye to iska matlab pandit “g” k answer to de diye gaye na?? tum mante ho??
SATANIC VERSES KI SACCHAI – aaj tak satanic verses ki sacchai samne nahi aayi thi,pahli baar raj khul raha hai.sabhi budhimani logonko ye baat samaj me nahi aayi ki,jo aayate allah ke 3 beti,bete ka zikr karti hai,us me do ayte pahale thi aur bad me,nikali gayi.uska khulasa ki, wo aayte shaitan ne muhammad ki zuban me utarkar kahi.aisa sabhi log mante hai,ab raj ki baat ye hai,ye kaisa ho sakta hai? Shaitan sirf do ayto ke liye kaam kare?baki ki quran ki aayte kyo nahi dikhi?agar hum thik se dekhe to ye kaam shaitan ka nahi lagta.phir sawal hai,ki ye aayte kisne likhi?yahi raaj ab khulnewala ha,.JAB MUHAMMAD KO PATA THA ARAB JO AL-LAT UZZA AUR MANAT KI PUZA KARTE HAI,TO AGAR MAIN UNKE IN TEEN DEVTA KO BHI MANU TO YE MUZPAR YAKIN ,VISHVAS KARENGE.IS LIYE USNE KHUD YE AAYAT BANAI.PAR JAB USKA KAAM HO GAYA TO USNE HI USKO SHAITAN KA KAAM KARAR DIYA.TAKI KISIKO SHAQ NA HO.AAJ TAK LOG US KO SHAITAN KI AAYTE KAHTE HAI.PAR QURAN KHUD MUHAMMAD AAPNE MAN SE BOLTA THA,KOI ALLAH NAHI KOI GIBRAIL NAHI THA.ISKA PRAMAN KHUD QURAN HAI.DEKHE SURA FURKAN 4-5.
@truth hater, maine pandit mahender pal arya k 15 questions k answers meinse eik post kara tha aur kaha tha ki MP ne claim kiya tha ki agar koi answer dedega to mein islam accept kar lunga phir kiyun islam accept nahi kiya………..
par tunmne kiya kara ki apni taraf se points nikal diye aur yeh sahi kaha ki tujh jaise jhute se koi bhi musalman debate main nahi jeet sakta kiyunki agar tu koi sahi aadmi hota to jo jo baat MP ki ghalat hai ya jiska jawab diya ja chuka usko to accept karta?
yeh manta ki AZAZEEL kahin nahi hai quran mein aur jis vidwan ko itni si baat na pata ho woh kaise bharose k layaque ho sakta hai??
par tumne yeh kara ki sire se mahedar pal ka hi inkar kardiya ki main unhen nahi janta to bhai beech meinkiyun kude??? yahan bat pandit mahendar pal arya ki ho rahi hai na ki kisi beghairat Truth hater ki.
ALLAH KI HAISIYAT???- ye jo allah hai koi dimag ki soch hai,muhammad ki mind vision hai.jyada se jyada ye man tak hi chalang le pati hai.ALLAH JO HAI WO AACCHE SAPNE BHEJTA HAI AUR BURE SAPNE SHAITAN SE AATE HAI – aisa kahna hi dimag ka star ,mentality darshata hai.bahot hi nichale darze ki mansikata siddha karta hai.sirf bura sapna bura hai usko shaitan se jodna aur aaccha sapna allah se jodna murkhata ki baat hai.sapne aakhir sapne hote hai.man ki vichar ki tarange hoti hai,iska allah se aur shaitan se jodna bachkana baat hai.are ye MUHAMMAD KO NEEND KI BIMARI TO NAHI???phir ye allah insan se marte waqt uski aatma chinta hai,aur jab mara nahi aise neend me uske aatma ko kabje me leta hai??(Q.azzumar42-43). hahaha …ab jab neend me uske aatma ko kabje me lenewale allah ko kya itna bhi pata nahi hoga ki ye sapne kaise dekhega????hahaha…jab neend me aatma kabje me lega to aatma to allah ke hate me rahi phir ye neend se jagne par usko kyo nahi yaa hota?bhich me uthata hai to kya allah fouran kabja chodta hai kya??hahaha….YE ALLAH JHUTH HAI,JHUTI BAATE KARTA HAI.
http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/FarzanRapingSlave.htm
[Q 70:29-30] And those who guard their private parts, Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess — for these surely are not to be blamed,
[Q 4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
In these two verse, Allah gives unrestricted license to the masters to have in sex with slaves-girls (right hand possession). It is absolutely halal. There is nothing criminal about it. Allah is not threatening hellfire for it.
Now coming back to the verse 24:33 you have cited and its interpretation you have provided, it sounds confusing. Having sex with slave-girls, which is legal for the master according to 4:3 and 70:29-30, cannot be called prostitution. Prostitution is related to making money from selling sex. In fact, Ibn Kathir, who is unrivaled in his authority of the Koran, has the following tafsir of this verse:
Do read the text
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