- Sita’s Agnipariksha in Ramayan
- Polygamy in Hinduism
- FAQ on Hinduism – IITian thrashes Zakir Naik
- ‘Concept of God in Hinduism’
- Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Vedas (Part 3)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Bhavishya Puran (Part 2)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)
Let us now critically examine the claim of Prophet in Vedas. You can read the original article at http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201&Itemid=131
Let me declare at outset that Vedas contain no history or geography whatsoever and contain description of fundamental principles governing life and universe in a variety of manner. There are indeed names of several historical persons in Vedas. But that does not mean that Vedas prophesise those people. It only means that those words were popular and people chose to adopt these names. If we find mention of word “Krishna” in Mahabharat or Vedas, it does not mean, they prophesise about Lal Krishna Advani! By that logic, Bible prophesises about all people born with name George and Islamic texts about people named Muhammad, Ali etc!
I shall not dwell into the concept of Vedas being beyond prophecies, history and geography in this analysis. On contrary, we shall prove that even if we assume Vedas to contain prophecies, that can no way be associated with Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), unless IRF believes that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a mass murderer and protector of cows, as we shall see later. And if indeed they believe so, let them issue a world-wide fatwa to start donating cows, stop eating beef and admitting that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) killed the entire population of Mecca! Just as they would be issuing a fatwa that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a ghost/demon incarnate in name of Tripurasur (as per Bhavishya Puran). Going further, they should also then accept the theory of rebirth!
In brief, any attempt to prove Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in Hindu Scriptures is nothing but an insult to both the great legacy of peaceful Prophet as well as a crooked attempt to malign Hinduism. Only an enemy of both Hinduism and Islam can perpetrate such a crime. So all Hindus and Muslims should unitedly thwart such attempts to malign their religions baselessly.
I shall quote the text published at IRF website as “IRF:” and the analysis of the same as “Analysis:”
The actual meanings of the mantras will be quotes as “Actual:”
1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda
IRF:
In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.
Analysis:
1. By this logic, all books of spiritualism and self-help and their content would mean Islam! Because Peace and removal of misery are the primary goals of any spiritual text on self-help book.
2. Considering that Vedas came way before Muhammad founded Islam, this only means that whatever peaceful or good was brought by Muhammad in Islam was actually already a part of Vedic traditions. And that the word Islam was already existing way before Muhammad adapted it to name his cult.
It is welcoming that Muslims are now acknowledging that they owe their peacefulness to Vedas. I hope they would take this journey of seeking truth even further and completely embrace the Vedas to reach their original roots.
IRF:
Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Makkah is called the Ummul Qur’a the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth. In many revealed books it was the first house of Divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Qur’an says in Surah Ali-Imran chapter 3, verse 96:
“The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakkah (Makkah) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings”. Thus Kuntap stands for Makkah or Bakkah.
Analysis:
1. Which dictionary states that Kuntaap means hidden glands in the abdomen?
2. Further, even if it means so, as researched by Dr Naik, how does it link with navel? In abdomen, all other organs are hidden inside – liver, stomach, intestine etc. It is only the navel which is not hidden!
3. The third line of IRF quote obviously refers to Islamic belief of earth being flat, and Muhammad being born in centre of the earth! But as per Vedas and modern science, earth is almost spherical and hence all points on it can be considered middle point.
4. Had Mecca (Makkah) been on Equator, perhaps some credibility could have been attached to IRF claims. But as per modern science, in a non-flat world, Mecca lies at 21-29 N. It is not even on Tropic of Cancer!
(The importance given to Mecca in Islam is because of historical reasons dating prior to advent of Islam. As per some historical researches, there was a Hindu temple in Mecca. The story of Mecca being navel of earth seems to indicate that there was a grand statute of reclining Vishnu there with Brahma coming to from his navel, as indicated by certain researches. This is a popular Hindu image and may have led to story of Mecca being navel of earth, in dark ages. Even Prophet Muhammad had great reverence for the Vedic tradition and hence made worship of Mecca temple an important component of his religion.)
But no way, can Kuntaap be implied to mean Mecca!
5. The logic of IRF is fabulous:
Kuntaapa = abdominal glands = navel = center = center of the earth = Mecca
hence, Kuntaapa = Mecca
Let’s use IRF logic on Islam itself and see where it leads us:
Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam
hence, Poison = Islam
So from IRF evidence itself, there is cold, hard proof that Islam is Poison!
These are ways of the rogue and no sensible person would try to demean religions in such manners as Zakir Naik is doing to insult Islam.
IRF:
Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Bloomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandit Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.
Analysis:
1. Of the translators mentioned by IRF, two are western indologists who had their own Christian agenda. They can no way be considered relevant for understanding of Vedas.
2. But interestingly, even they talk of nothing even remotely related to Muhammad or Mecca in the alleged verses. The only common point perhaps is the word camel. It seems that IRF team frantically searched for various mantras referring to camel in Vedas, and chose to interpret them, as per their own agenda, as would soon be evident. Readers can review the Griffith translation of these mantras at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/av/av20127.htm and decide themselves. They can review translations of other scholars mentioned by IRF and check truth themselves. We shall provide excerpts from translation by Pandit Khem Karan as illustration. You can check them at http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/atharvaveda_v2/atharvaveda.htm
3. In their pursuit of searching mantras with reference to camel, IRF made another blunder. The Kuntaap Sukta appear at end of Atharvaveda and are not considered to be part of Veda Samhita, but merely an addendum (Khil Bhaag or Appendix) by many scholars. This is the only portion in entire Vedas that have such a difference in opinion among scholars. Had IRF chosen any other Sukta/Hymn in more than 20000 mantras of Vedas, they would have been much safer. Thus Kuntaap which IRF proved to mean “safe” is not that safe to defend their claim of Muhammad in Vedas!
IRF:
The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:
Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.
Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.
Mantra 3
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.
Mantra 4
Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.
Analysis:
Mantra 1
Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): Narashanshah or the praised one shall be praised. O Kauram – one who dwells happily on earth, we shall receive 60090 kinds of gifts from those brave ones who have destroyed violent ones.
Mantra 2, 3
Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): His chariot has twenty fast-moving camels and she-camels. He donated 100 gold coins, 10 garlands, 300 horses and 10000 cows to deserving people.
Mantra 4
Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): Keep preaching in the manner a bird chirps on a tree laden with fruits till death comes.
So far, nothing seems odd about the meanings given by IRF or other scholars. The only differences is that certain terms have subtly been introduced to set the context for proving Muhammad in these mantras. In modern parlance, this technique is called covert persuasion. Note that so far nothing hints at Muhammad except that there is a mention of camel!
Now let us enjoy the IRF research magic!
IRF:
The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).
Analysis:
1. The Arabic term b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm which is uttered before every verse of Quran is literal translation of “Dayanand ki Jai”. Does it mean that Quran sings glory of Dayanand? Now Dayanand has been the strongest critic of Quran ever. So does it mean that Quran admits that Dayanand is right?
2. Again this is nothing but Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam, hence Islam = Poison ( we shall keep revisiting this logic wherever IRF uses the same logic)
IRF:
The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.
Analysis:
1. Kaurama means ‘one who dwells peacefully on earth’.
2. The way Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah, has been replicated by millions throughout the history. One can hardly name a historically famous person who becomes famous without moving around! Krishna migrated from Vrindawan to Mathura and then to Dwarka. Also Krishna has several meanings which mean ‘promoter of peace’ and ‘praised one’. So this verse equally applies to him as well! TE Lawrence (main character of classic movie ‘Lawrence of Arabia’) became famous because of his travels in deserts of Arab. Are Vedas talking about him?
3. Again the logic is same: Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam
IRF:
He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah.
Analysis:
From which census did IRF find out this population figure? Or is yet another revelation? Historians estimate this figure to be around 5000 at most.
IRF:
The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, “A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an ass and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath”.
Analysis:
1. The mantra says allegorically that the chariot of the king will have twenty male and female camels. Even if we take it literally, did Muhammad ever travel on such a camel-chariot? And is Prophet the only camel-rider on earth ever in history?
2. The mantra talks about a king who is a Kshatriya and not a Brahman. So the relevant excerpt from Manu is not applicable in first place.
3. Vedas nowhere prohibit camel-ride for anyone.
4. Manu Smriti has been written much after Vedas. So evidence of Manu Smriti is not applicable in first place. Also the particular shloka from Manu Smriti is considered a later day interpolation by many scholars. In fact half of the Manu Smriti is considered interpolated because it is against the Vedas, which Manu himself declares to be most supreme.
5. But even if we agree to this shloka of Manu Smriti, it is not applicable or relevant in context of given mantras of Atharvaveda. Further the shloka simply states that if a Brahman has to ride on a camel, he can purify himself by doing Pranayam. It does not say that Brahman is banned from riding camel. And the mantra or the entire Sukta has no reference to Brahman whatsoever. It talks about battle and war, which is prerogative of Kshatriya and not Brahman, as per traditional Manu system.
IRF:
This mantra gave the Rishi’s name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).
Analysis:
1. The word “Mamahe” is used in the 3rd mantra of 127th sukta of Atharvaveda and not “Mamah”. There is a world of difference as we will see in next point. The derivation as given by IRF is their own independent research not corroborated by any text on grammar.
2. The word ‘Mamahe’ has been used as a verb here, meaning “We give” and NOT a noun.
3. Further the word has been used in plural and not singular. So it can not denote a singular person by wildest stretch of imagination.
4. If the word ‘Mamahe’ has to mean a noun ‘Muhammad’ in this mantra, the mantra becomes meaningless. Because ‘Mamahe’ is the ONLY verb in the entire mantra. And no sentence can have any meaning without presence of even a single verb!
IRF:
He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah.
Analysis:
1. Suddenly, gold coins have turned into believers with Prophet in his Mecca times!
2. No text of Islam states that his followers were 100 in number initially. Some biographers do hint at 40 followers, but 100 seems to be another new revelation. Refer http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/history/prophet.htm
Thus this is the Prophetic imagination taken too far!
IRF:
The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news). These were foretold in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by the Prophet’s own lips and after naming each one he said “in Paradise”. They were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Saad bin Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (May Allah be well-pleased with all of them).
Analysis:
1. What made IRF think that necklace can mean companions? Merely the fact that 10 companions of Prophet are very famous in Islamic folklores? Almost all Prophets of Islam roamed in desert and hence were camel riders.
2. So why can’t this mean Ten Commandments of Moses, by same logic!
IRF:
The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (pbuh) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like cows and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy Quran in Surah Fatah:
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
[Al-Qur’an 48:29]
Analysis:
1. This is yet another research of Dr Naik that ‘Go’ means ‘to go to war’. ‘Go’ indeed means a lot of things in various mantras depending on the context – Cow, Earth, Moving Body etc. But in the current context, where the subject is of donation, the obvious meaning is ‘Cow’.
Donation of Cow has been a longstanding Vedic tradition still practiced and respected. All Vedic legends were preservers and protectors of cow. All noble Vedic kings were known to donate cows. Cow forms the backbone of Vedic civilization and Hinduism.
This is where IRF comes in tight spot. Because contrary to donating cows, his followers till today are known to be the biggest tribe of cow-killers. They take pride in killing cows in Id. Thus, this reference to donating 10000 cows is sufficient enough to prove to the most sceptic mind that if indeed there is Prophet Muhammad or any of his predecessors or successors in Vedas, the first duty of any Muslim should be to prohibit killing of cows.
2. It is even more hilarious to see the comparison of 10000 companions of Muhammad with cow. If they mean cow, then cow cannot mean ‘to go at war’ in this mantra. Because the same word cannot mean two completely different things in same context.
3. If indeed Muslims consider cows to be compassionate and pious, as described in IRF article, what makes them kill these cows in name of Allah? What makes Muhammad a cow-killer as assumed by IRF elsewhere if that be so?
4. In fact in this mantra, to make sense in lines of IRF propaganda, Go has to mean three things – to go at war (a verb), symbol of peace and symbol of war, all at the same time! It has to be a verb and a noun at the same time! Because ‘Mamahe’ the only verb in the mantra has been deliberately interpreted as a noun in this mantra by IRF experts. Thus this would have to be the only sentence of its kind in history of language where a word is a verb and two nouns at same time, and another word which is supposed to be a verb is now a noun.
Sounds confusing, right? But then confusion alone can breed such blinded theories!
IRF:
This mantra calls the Prophet as Rebh which means one who praises, which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed, which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
Analysis:
Again the same logic of
1. Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam
=> Poison = Islam
2. b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm is another way of saying “Dayanand ki Jai!”
Battle of the Allies described in the Vedas.
IRF:
It is mentioned in Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6, “Lord of the truthful! These liberators drink these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in the field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one.”
This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammed. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab:
“When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, “This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true.” And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience.”
[Al-Qur’an 33:22]
The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated into Arabic means ‘Ahmed’, the second name of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the Mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in number.
The last words of the Mantra aprati ni bashayah means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight.
Analysis:
Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): “O Protector of Truthful! You have been pleased by those brave ones who produce bliss, by acts of bravery and noble passion in wars against the enemies. Through smart action oriented zeal, ten thousand enemies have been defeated without resistance.”
1. If indeed it means Battle of Ahzab, why is the number of soldiers in Prophet’s army not given?
2. The phrase Dash Sahsra or its variants are used in several places in Vedas to signify a large number or limitlessness.
3. There is no word as ‘Karo’ in the mantra. The closest sounding word in the mantra is “Karave’ which DOES NOT mean praying one’. It means ‘for the action-oriented’. NO name of Muhammad means ‘action-oriented’. So any connection with Muhammad is categorically ruled out.
4. The mantra refers to spiritual battle where the mind destroys innumerable varieties of negative thoughts through practice and meditation of positive things in life. And hence the victory is bloodless. The sukta can also be interpreted to explain strategies of war. But no way does it, or any mantra in Vedas refers to any kind of history.
IRF team is advised to consult the Vedic experts to understand the hidden treasures and deep essence of Vedic mantras and come back to their original roots, rejecting the falsehood.
IRF:
The enemies’ defeat in the conquest of Makkah is mentioned in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9:
“You have O Indra, overthrown 20 kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariot wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan.”
The population of Makkah at the time of Prophet’s advent was nearly 60,000. There were several clans in Makkah each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Makkah. An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far-famed and ‘praised one’. Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.
Analysis:
1. There is no census data to validate that Mecca had a population of 60,000 in Muhammad’s era except IRF research based on their own revealed sources.
2. Literal translation of this mantra means that 60000 plus enemies and their 20 kings were crushed under the chariots. By this logic, there should be 60,000 soldiers in the battlefield. If that be so, it means that entire population of Mecca fought against Muhammad and were killed by him. If that be so, if this mantra be a true Prophecy, Muhammad cannot be a symbol of peace. On contrary, it proves that Muhammad carried out a mass genocide of entire Mecca population because they refused to accept him as their dictator! Then, Islam remains a religion of peace only in Arabic dictionary, and not in reality!
3. In reality, this Balttle of Mecca was as small tribal battle where 900-1000 soldiers and 300 soldiers of Islam have supposed to have fought for a few hours, as per Islamic experts. And not more than 10 leaders are known to have participated from Meccan side. Thus neither the number 20, nor 60000 in mantra has any reference to this tiny battle.
4. This sukta actually details spiritual battle in the mind as is evident from other mantras in the sukta. The same strategies can be extended to external war as well. But it has no inkling of relation with any tribal war.
And if still, it is assumed to have so, it only means Muhammad was a mass-killer. IRF experts can decide what they want to accept.
III. Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Rigveda
IRF:
A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).
Analysis:
1. Literally translated, the meaning is similar to previous verse, implying Muhammad carried a mass-genocide of 60000 plus people to rule Mecca
2. Sushravasa means a good listener or a reliable friend in this mantra, nothing to do with Muhammad.
3. Even if its means well praised, it only means that Muhammad was well-praised by his men for carrying carnage of 60000 people of Mecca!
It is in best interest of IRF to not harp on such attempts to discover Muhammad in Vedas which only denigrate him. Their research of Muhammad in Bhavishya Puran has already proved him a demon and a ghost Tripurasur!
IV. Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda
IRF:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:
“Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:
The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.
Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.
The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28
“We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.”
Analysis:
This is laughing Jehad at its best. The aim to kill infidels by making them laugh like anything.
1. I tried my best to locate this mantra in the Samaveda but could not. Maybe if they can provide the exact mantra, that would help.
2. ‘Aham At Hi’ is authentic Sanskrit way of expression. And in joining of words, ‘t’ becomes ‘d’. For example, ‘Sat’ + ‘Aachaar’ = “SaDaachaar”. ‘Hi’ means only.
3. If indeed Vedas predicted word ‘Ahmad’ which is Arabic word, does it mean Arabic is older than Vedic Sanskrit?
4. If Vedas could predict upto ‘Ahmad’ and number of his armymen and companion, what prevented Vedas from predicting his actual name “Muhammad”? Why did Allah create so much of confusion? Had he simply put the biography of Muhammad in a few mantras clearly spelling his name, crores of people would have been convinced of Prophet’s coming and would have prevented themselves from going to Hell! Allah must be crazy as per IRF research, then!
General Analysis
1. If indeed Vedas have prophecy on Muhammad, why are they not in one place. In an ocean of 20000 mantras, there are only 7 mantras about Prophet, the most important topic of the Vedas who would change the entire structure of Vedic concept topsy-turvy! These too are distributed randomly and none clearly spelled the name of Muhammad. They only mean Muhammad in same way as Islam means Poison. Was it that Allah was still confused about the name of his last Prophet?
2. If indeed Vedas predict that Muhammad would kill so many people and make 10 his companion, it means that Allah had already decided that these people would be killed by Muhammad and dispatched to Hell. He had pre-decided the fate of these people millenniums before he gave them birth on earth! Does it not make Allah unjust and biased?
3. If indeed Vedas could predict Muhammad and his life, why is IRF and Muslim world shy about embracing Vedas as Books of God? Why he has to write in FAQ on Hinduism that Vedas may or MAY NOT be book of God?
4. And if Vedas can predict Muhammad, and they talk of concepts which clearly contradict Quran, which one should be believed?
After all Quran was written 20 years after Muhammad’s death, there was no oral tradition of memorizing and protecting Quran in Muhammad’s times and his favorite followers were fighting of each others’ lives after Muhammad died! So how can we trust Quran to be authentic?
But Vedas have an oral tradition since its inception and inbuilt mechanism to prevent any interpolation of even a syllable. So they are definitely the most protected books of the world. So should not IRF, Dr Zakir Naik and his followers return to their roots which are so accurate, unchanged and so strong in predicting future?
Further, they predict Muhammad as nothing but mass-murderer, by IRF’s own research in Vedas! Their research in Bhavishya Puran proved him to be a ghost or demon called Tripurasur who is supposed to bring lot of nuisance in the world! (Kindly refer to previous part of this series)
They say that lie has no feet! Hence it gets you trapped!
I appeal to all my lost friends – IRF, Dr Zakir Naik, his friends and his followers – to explore the real praiseworthy, the real Narashansah in the Vedas, the Ishwar and reject false prophecies. Such falsehood can only trap you in your own mistaken notions in same way as this falsehood has trapped you logically without any room for escape.
I appeal to them to stop believing in and spreading myths and return back to their original path – the path of Truth and Reason! And in process shower respect to all that is good in Islam and Hinduism without maligning them.
Only then can peace be on him (pbuh)!
This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/2932/muhammad-vedas-hi/
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(peace be upon you)Asalaam Walaikum everyone…
@Agniveer, your concept, POV & opinion on every detail on the above page is the TRUTH according to YOU, but over 22% of earth’s population being the Muslim’s do not agree to this,
It’s amazing how in one page you write:- we are all humans and must not hurt each other and live in peace And on the other page you’ve written the word “Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam”, So according to this concept of yours, you want all of us to Rest in peace-as in DIE, by joining the Vedas.. come on, seriously!
And not only that, but you are hurting the belief of all true Muslims who have faith on Prophet Mohammed(peace be upon him) and the holy Qur’an which in fact teaches almost all the same things your Vedas do about believing in ONE GOD, BTW I’ve only read about Vedas on your own page..
I’m not referring to all your other pages as I haven’t read them & to be honest I don’t feel like reading any of the others after the dis-respect you’ve showed towards islam & the muslims…
I respect all religions as all re-direct to the same (ONE GOD)…but I don’t respect your ideas because all your trying to do, is create nuisance and the above non-sense shows how much your trying to divert humans from one religion to another..
Bottom line is :-
“if you truly believe in the One God/your Vedas, you would not have written anything against any religion or anyone”.
“you shall not judge anyone(in this case Prophet Mohammed) by their actions as this should be left to God, as he would judge us all, by our deeds”.
Brother Tanveer!
The rule of knowing truth says – Truth contains many aspects and all those who claim on knowing it shall know all of them completely. There is a URDU proverb (Hope you know it) – it says NEEM HAKEEM KHATRA _ E _ JAAN. Translated to English, it becomes: Little knowledge is very dangerous. Please before making any perception about Agniveer, you shall read this.
http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-peace/
It seems that you forgot to go through – “”Please review ‘What does Agniveer stand for’ before reading any article on the site to understand the context and intent of Agniveer.”” Good thing brother that you respect all religions. Vedas also comment same. But, many Muslims today claim that they only travel on true path. Fanatics are many like Zakir Naik etc. who tell lies about Bible and Vedas to convert anybody to Islam. If all muslims wholeheartedly think the way you do then Agniveer won’t come into play at all. Agniveer is NEITHER against peace NOR is it against Islam. It is only against misconceptions shaping minds of people.
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Whose idea you copied? Bcoz Quran says that believers shall go to Jannat. Non Believers shall go to hell. Zakir Naik himself accepts that. There is Youtube video where he proves that good non muslims shall eternally go to hell. This implies that Allah only judges based on belief and not based on actions.
If you believe that GOD judges by deeds not by beliefs, nothing better than that. If you are not mislead by violent teaching of Quran / Hadith, you need not bother. You are already on right path. Agniveer isn’t against you in that case.
Hello Agniveer,
I have a few good friends who are muslims.
In a friendly way they ought to insult the holy idols of gods .They also abuse gods with different names for instance when during Ganesh chaturthi visarjan he said ” kya bevakufi hain ye”
when they see a naga-baba (baba’s without clothes) they say “aurat ke saamne sharam nahi aata unko ,Kya culture hain ye “.
.Because our hindu religion never says that we should insult other religion ,In what way should i reply to them so that i don’t hurt their feelings ???
I have seen Zakhir naik’s how he slaughtered an innocent lady’s belief on lord krishna.after seeing that i felt very bad
please teach him a good lesson..please make more youtube videos and create awareness.
—Agniveer awaiting your response.
Though I am NOT a member of Agniveer team BUT I would say that
You must reply those muslims. Islam is the only faith which comes from the devil. Muslims wrongly assume that they worship GOD. They dont. That’s why USA / Israel has waged a war against these evil people. Muslims are backward and will continue to be so. All NON Muslims must unite and kill these evil people. We must stop their immigration to NON Muslim nations.
Dont think NOT to hurt their feelings. Read website of Dr. Ali Sina to know what are muslim feelings. You must show them what is evil in their books.
See this link — http://mostintolerantreligion.com/2012/04/06/can-a-muslim-take-non-muslim-as-a-friend
There is NOTHING called as Muslim friend of non muslims. That’s NOT possible. Muslims dont have NON Muslim friends and they won’t. You must use their tactic on themselves. Unless you reply them in their own language, nothing is going to happen. Visit Ali Sina website and also the false prophet co cc website. If they show you 1 BEVAKUFI, you must show them 100. Unfortunately, there are 18 crore muslims in IND else we would have killed those evil men.
Dr. Ali Sina says that IF EVIL MUSLIMS BOMB OUR 1 CITY, WE MUST BOMB THEIR WHOLE COUNTRY. IT IS BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR WHOLE WORLD. I DON’T THINK MUSLIMS ARE HUMAN. MUSLIMS LEARN HUMANITY WHEN THEY QUIT ISLAM AND BECOME APOSTATE. THEN, THEY ARE KILLED BY BARBARIANS.
Regarding Zakir Naik, YES – team Agniveer is doing what they must but they need our support. So, contact them the way you can.
lease dont think like that
you sound like a terrorist.
god is one. But the fact that they(muslims) do not respect other religion is a big problem.
well who are we to decide whom to kill and whom to not.
thinking good about others is what differentiates hindus from muslims.
@Google
Brother, Arjuna said to Krishna we do not want fight and kill our brothers. But we know if we do not do fight he (Duryodhan) will not let us live peacefully. We are compelled to have fight with them. We(Arjun) have no other option.
Suppose a person attacks at your house with the intention of raping the women of your house & looting the property. What will you do?
One option you will do request to him not to do this? If he do not listen your request you will allow him what he want to do.
Second option You will fight with him to save the women and property of your house.
Now you have to decide what you want to choose.
@ truth sseeker
we have to be Lord krishna to do what you said
but unfortunately i’m not lord Krishna and i will never be in dimension for sure.
so let agniveer reply
—agniveer still waiting for your reply
Dear user!
// you sound like a terrorist. //
Terrorizing a terrorist is NOT terrrorism.
Someone asked Dr. Ali Sina as to why does he disrespects prophet Mohamed and hurts muslim feelings? Ali Sina immediately replied – where were the feelings of NON Muslims whom prophet Mohamed insulted other dieties?
So, nothing is wrong in fighting against a muslim.
// but unfortunately i’m not lord Krishna and i will never be in dimension for sure. //
You are NOT GOD but you can be in due course of time. Vedic literature says that
सर्वं खल्वमिदं ब्रह्म।
We all have potential to be GOD.
If Muslims can quote Quran and say – we must kill the oppressors, why we can’t quote Gita and say – we must kill evil tyrants? The explanation by Truth Seeker Sir is correct. Muslims dont understand any other language.
// thinking good about others is what differentiates hindus from muslims. //
Where will these values lead to? Kasab and Afzal are enjoying in prison and many people living below poverty line. Doesn’t this indirectly gives motivation to be a terrorist? Every single nation came to IND to prove their might. Turks, Afghans, Arabs, Portuguese, Dutch, Greeks, British – all invaded us due to these values. What have we got in return? We need some sensible solution. Mere bigotry is NOT going to help anymore.
// agniveer still waiting for your reply //
Team Agniveer is busy. You can contact them at agniveer @ agniveer.com and aryamusafir @ agniveer.com (without space).
यदि एक हिन्दू, मुसलमान अथवा ईसाई बन जाए तो यह मत समझो कि हिन्दुओ की जनसंख्या घट गई, बल्कि यह जानो की हिन्दूओ का एक शत्रु अधिक हो गया।
– स्वामी विवेकानन्द …
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This is so good article.Can somebody talk about this on you tube? Dr zakir naik convinces people to believe that islam is the correct religion and it is mentioned in the bible and vedas this and that….for God shake how much ever he or other people convince me to believe in islam. i love my own religion.i am both hindu and buddhist, i love the chants, mantras, bhajan, meditation and i have been telling people both this religion go side by side.if buddhism teaches us about inner peace and meditation then we have Hinduism is there to teach us to pray GOD. i do not want to believe in “there is no god but one god” and Muhammad is the last messager or the only messenger…..islam try to brain drain people. i know many things about islam ; my friends keep telling me about islam and they even tell me that now that i know about islam. on my judgement day i will be punished because i did not accept islam.
the funny thing they tell me is if i die and i meet islamic god then i am sure to get punished because i did not wear hijab, burka and did not accept islam.i just want to tell all the islamic people to stop giving negative energies and make people worry.you all are going to hell for putting pressure on decent and religious people like me.
see this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOv3HIu49LU&list=UUzWLydpyw_Gafod_EjtvzUA&index=27&feature=plcp
Other videos are also there. Go on youtube and search – Zakir Naik exposed by Sanskrit scholar. The problem is that people do NOT know about that.
Ever purchased a product through promotional offers? There is a star which says T&C apply.
Similarly, when muslims market islam, they say – ISLAM MEANS PEACE.
The hidden T&C is:
IF YOU DISAGREE, WE WILL KILL YOU
Is there any Vedas in English? I studied Sanskrit in year 4 and 5 in Nepal . Now i want to know vedas and do some friendly debates with my muslim mate; they know inside out about islam.
Hi Miss Limbu, first of all there is a big danger in learning these scriptures from a translation. Sanskrit is such a language that it is almost impossible to find exactly matching words in English or any other language. So, it is better to learn these scriptures in Sanskrit itself. There is a Sanskrit tuition available on this site itself – check for details. I am happy people like you are getting interested in Sanatana Dharma and taking keen interest in understanding the same. Secondly, your notion that your Muslim mates know Islam inside out is actually wrong. Most Muslims in the Indian subcontinent do not understand Arabic the way it should be understood. They read Quran (they are so taught at Madrassas) but actually understand nothing. What they understand is what the Mullahs taught them and most Mullahs are Wahabi cults and several times the real meaning of Quran is hidden from an average Muslim.
pround to be a hindu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L71FAhl7Yfo
Agniveerji, you and several other Vedic experts have already rebutted and refuted Zakir Naik on Vedic grounds, so I do not want to dwell much into it. As a Hindu, and as a keen student of History, I have a Historical rebuttal to Zakir Naik. As you know, the Bhavishya Purana, (as agreed by Dr. Naik) says King Bhoja Raja met Mahammada (Muhammad) west of Indus. Now, as every one know, King Bhoja Raja is the 10th in the lineage of King Shalivahana. The scripture says these 10 Kings together ruled for 500 years and left for heavenly planes. Now, King Shalivaha according to whatever History we can research, is expected to have lived around the time of the Jesus. In such an event, King Bhoja Raja’s rule should have been around 450-500 BCE. We all know that Prophet Muhammad’s life on earth was 26 April 570 – 8 June 632 and that he migrated to Medina in 622. It is only after 622 BCE it is possible that he had a following (as is mentioned in Bhavishya Purana). Let us keep it as approx 625 BCE. This is far too late for allowing a meeting between King Bhoja Raja and Muhammad. Also, for this meeting to happen, either Muhammad had to travel to Indus (which is what Bhavihsya Purana and what Dr. Naik claims) or King Bhoja Raja should have traveled to Central Arabia. Let us now take a look at Quran and Hadiths, supposedly not a word there can be wrong, nor can it be incomplete according to Dr. Naik himself. Not a single mention of Muhammad having traveled to Indus appears anywhere in Quran or Hadith. It is also extremely unlikely for King Bhoja Raja having traveled to Central Arabia, which has no mention in Bhavishya Purana. So, even if we were to leave out the Vedas, Quran, Bhavishya Purana and all those references Dr. Naik is making, but from a pure historical perspective this is a complete impossibility. I am sure Dr. Naik, being a qualified Doctor, knows the importance of scientific and historical analysis, although I am more than sure he will pretend not to be.
Sorry, I need to make a little typographical correction. Please read my post as “King Bhoja Raja’s rule should have been around 450-500 BCE” as 450-500 AD. Sorry for the typographical error.
Agniveer plz make a case at higher court against Zakir Naik that he misinterpret holy vedas and misleading innocent people..
U jaffa agniveer u dont want to respect another religions shame on u just get lost people like u r burden on the earth
Logic which Zakir gives is absolutely correct y u want to misguide people with ur own ideology an havent u studied the vedas or upanishads or bhagavad gita which clearly says that God is one without images,photos,idols etcc…..turn to Allah before u return to him surely hell is waiting for unbelievers
Yes Vedas or Upanishads or BhagvadGita also say that God is without prophets and angels.
1. You seem to be a Muslim talking in the disguise of a Hindu name called Karthik.
2. What Zakir says is absolutely “incorrect”. We will prove it from Arya Samaj, if only either you or your Zakir Naik has the guts to face the Arya Samaj.
3. Yes, the Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas and epics all quote “JUST ONE GOD” seen in different ways by different people. To quote from Mahabahratha (the validity of this scripture is questionable though, but this verse seems to come from Vedas). From Vishnu Sahasranama: Eko Vishnur Mahat Bhutam, Pruthak Bhutanyanekasa, Trimlokan Vyapa Bhungto Vishwa Bughviya). Translation in a layman term: There is only one ultimate soul, which manifests in a thousand ways because the human mind is blind and the ultimate soul is open. These various forms manifest differently, but the ultimate soul is only one, which consumes the entire universe”. That is a lay man translation. To prove the Sanskrit meaning of this, let Zakir Naik meet Agniveer and the rest of Arya Samajis. Ask your Zakir to come on a debate with Agniveer and Arya Samaj and let us see where Zakir stands and where I stand and where Hinduism stands. Good bye, if your Zakir Naik is again going to refuse and go to Lord Buddha’s reclusion, debate with Arya Smajis if Zakir has the guts. He will not take this challenge, mind you, because he knows he cannot take on a true Arya Samaji.
@soham, we are going to make case against satyarth prakash in higher court, Moolshankar has used abusing language for Allah and hazrat muhammad s.a.w. in samhullas 14. u should read satyarthprakash first.
And u should read Quran first. Muhammad and his friend Gabriel have used abusing language for idol worshippers, Jews and Christians. You are most welcome to approach higher court.
And we will also do the same thing. Taker innumerable Islam so called Pandits who used Abusing words on Hinduism to court. I am Murali, I am from Bangalore, and let us see in an Indian court from now, if you have the f.cking guts.
@Mr. raja, can u show me the abusive language in quran?or u have just foul to shit anything? if u enjoy then i can show u some extraordinary from satyarthprakash…cheers..
Sahih International
Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
Muhsin Khan
Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
Pickthall
Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Yusuf Ali
Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
Shakir
Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.
Dr. Ghali
Surely (the ones) who have disbelieved among the population of the Book (Or: family of the Book; i.e., the Jews and Christians) and the associators (Those who associate others with Allah) will be in the Fire of Hell, eternally (abiding) therein; those are they who are the most evil beings (Literally: Initiated creatures).
First of all, who taught you that Hinduism is polytheistic? – WEB OR AN INDIAN SAINT OR A MULLAH FROM PAKISTAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR? Have you read the Vedas or are you basking in the glory of the “one up manship” of your Zakir Naik? Hinduism is absolutely monotheistic. For me, for example, I consider my mother as the universal mother; that my mother who is no more is now merged with the Universal Mother or the Ultimate Reality.. Now, this is too much for you to take as a naive on spirituality as a Mullah educated Muslim. A mother? not in Islam – Islam treats its women as slaves; subjects of sexual satisfaction; and that is why more women are leaving Islam than men; example the exile to US and Canada. A mother considered the mother of Universe? Not in Islam. Hello, come on, you are on the other side of the fence. This side of the fence is for the intellectually and spiritually developed. And, that obviously leaves people like you out. At the end, let me also tell you, there is nothing wrong in polytheism either. Seeing the God. the supreme reality. in the image of my loved Mother is nothing wrong; and seeing it in my father’s image is not wrong either; I can see it in my wife’s, daughter’s and Son’s image too-that is the benefit I get out of Hinduism. I can see it in any image I want to; YOU CANNOT, because for you the women are tools of satisfaction, children are toi take the guns. What did your prophet do? He actually did it with a 9 year old girl; the idiot lives with his own daughter in law; and innumerable concubines and slaves, save the 9 wives first of which was a woman almost double his age. Can you deny it? if you can then take on Ali Sina, I am nobody; if you cannot, then take on Arya Samaj and as a commentator and as a student of history, I will be there with my Arya Samaj friends. Are we living in a world where the God will come and hand over a commandment that from today no adoption is acceptable, because Zynab was a daughter in law and Allah rebuked his own old rule just…
US and UN ki najayaj aulado.. apas me hi sale tum lado aur yaha koi aur gand mar raha hai.. sale veda and purana, kuran ke gyani baba log insaniyat kaha gayi?? Britishon ki gulami karke aj unke jaise hi bolne lage.. google me hi veda dekh liya aur kuran v. kavi uski kitabe lekar dekhi nai.. Har roj Kisi v manushya ko Bhagwan banane wale andho line par aao.. aur agar Islam itna bura hai to apne ma, Bap Bhai bahano ko bolo majaro par jana band kare mannate mangna band kare.. maine kavi v ek v Muslim ko madir jakar bhikh mangte nai dekha lekin har masjid ya majar ke bahar musalmano se jyada hamari line hoti hai. Kyo??????????????? koi jawab hai. aj v jab hamare gharo me bacho ki tabiyat kharab hoti hai to ma majar ya masjid jakar pani phunka kar lati hai aur us se fayda v hota hai.. problem ye hai ki hum achi chijen hajam nai hoti.. Koun pandit ya moulvi kya bolta hai kya zakir naik kya bolta hai uski jagah apna dimag use karo.. simple si bat hai jjis chij se bhala hota hai wahi sahi hai.. aap bhala to jag bhala..
Agniveerji, I stand by what I say. If I say I will take this fellow in court, I will. And I hope my Hindu brothern will be with me. Love and compassionate universal affection as taught in Veda. Love, Murali
@raj, veda say non believer of veda as nastik and anarya and malecha… we have no problem with it because anybody can change his side. do u know what agnivrr said about anarya???? but moolshankar has abused by taking the name of hazrat muhammad and Allah subhanahu ta’ala. what quran said that is for kafir and polytheist.. u can read what veda call to polytheist.
in the above verse word sharr is used for polytheist and kafirs but first thing it is not abuse and second thing a kafir can accept islam and can change his side. origional quran is in arabic and for many words other languages are unable to express true meaning like shaheed and shahadat. we use this word cant translate in hindi. same case with the word makr, in arabic makr is not used in bad sense but in hindi and urdu it is used in bad sense.
regarding abuse u can see what Allah say in quran..
And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did. http://quran.com/6/108
if u think that word sharr-u-ddawwab is abuse then i cant satisfy u but there is nothing for rama, krishna, gautam and any religious personality. but u can read the arrogant, filthy, dirty, foolish and vile language of moolshankar ie. yeh musalmano ka khuda to bara dokhebaaz hai, aisa likhne wala(regarding writer of quran) to nira anparh aur kapti aadmi hai.etc etc. the writer has crossed all the limits and openly abused every religion either jainism or budhism. when quran say something regarding idolaters then he start shouting and crying but he himself write same things for nastik and rejecters of vedas. i can give u plenty of examples,. for reference u can read book written by maulana sanaullah amrtsari” haque prakash” which can be downloaded from islamhinduism.com
mahamahim sri abdullah ji apni puri bat hindi me rakhiy to jyada achha rahega ! satyarth prkash ne kuran ko kabhi bhi dharmik granth nahi mana hai aur vah koi dharmik kitab bhi nahi hai ! kuran ko manne vale din ki kitab kaha katrte hai vah ek sthaniy samasyao par adharit kitab hai kuran me yah bhi kaha gaya hai ki arab ke aspas ke logo kodarao unko apne giroh me shamil karo!! jara batlaye kuran kaise allah ki kitab ho sakti hai ? kevalkahane matr se usko kyo khudayi kitab kaha jaye ? khuda kya hai ? kya uske hath hote hai? jiske hath adi hoteho usko sarvshaktiman khuda kyo kaha jaye ? dekhe kuran 38/75 jisme kurani allah adam ko “dono hatho ” se banane ka jikar karte hai jra dhyan dijiye arbi bhasha me ek vachan do vachanv bahuvachan ki vyakaran hoti hai ! yahan par dono hatho ka jikar hai jara batlaye yahnhath kis mata ke garbhme bane the dekhe kuran 39 /67 jisme “daye hath” me asman ko lapetne ki bat kurani allah karte hai jab dayan hath to bayan hath bhi sambhav hai! dekhe kuran 5/64 jisme kurani allah yahudi ki bat ke jabvabme apne” dono hath” khule huye ka jikar karte hai ! kuran me anek jagahklurani allah ko satve asman par ek singhasan par jisko 8 farishte jiska sighasan uthaye huye hai ! jikar milta hai ! 8 farishte simit singhasan simit fir us par virajman kurani allah “simit ” kyo nahi hoga ? jo simit ho vah kaise sarvshaktiman ho sakta hai ? kaha jata hai ki kuran ki ayte alalah ke farishte laya karte the? kurani allah muhammad ji ko” dairect” sandesh dene me kyo asfal ? kurani allah ne apne karyo me farishte ki sahayta kyo li jabki kuran yah bhi kahata hai ki kurani allah ne sari kaaynat sirf 6 din me bagair kisi ki sahayta ke bana di jab 6 din me sari katynat kurani allah banane ka dava karte hai to kuran ki ayte to 23 sal me ayi hai ? fri itni choti kuran ka sandesh dene me kurani allah ne farishto ki sahata kyo leni padi ? dekhe kuran 79 / 27-33 jisme kurani allah sabse pahale jaminbanane ka dava karte hai ? ab dekhiye kuran 41/9-12 jisme kurani allah sabse pahale jamin…
….. sabse pahale jamin banane ka dava kiya? ab ap batlaye kaun si kuran ki ayat sachhi mani jaye aur kaun si jhuthi mani jaye ? kuran me anek jagah yah bhi dava kiya gaya hai inhi karno se swami dayanand ji ne, kuran allah v muhammad ji ko kabhi achha nahi mana hai isi liye unko adar dena bhi pasand nahi kiya hai ! asha hai ki ap insabhi kuran ke sandeho par” pura” javab denge? ham,ko apne muslimbandhuo se shikayat rahi hai ki vahbahutjaldi is maidan se bhag jate hai ham asha karte hai ki ap bhagkar nahi jayenge ! agar bhagna bhi pade to turant kuran ki bhi sangati chhod dijiyega ! apse javab ki asha me ….?
With due respect Mr. Agniveer, Will you please write regarding whether the concept of incarnation is true or whether the concept of Prophet is true w.r.t Vedas and without concerning with other religion?
Thankyou,
Dayal Parkash
You can view our views at http://agniveer.com/2708/vedic-god/ and http://agniveer.com/2728/god-vedas-hinduism/
@Dayal Parkash
Further more you may read this comment also by Krishna to understand flaws in God incarnation/prophet theory
http://agniveer.com/6558/shahrukh-khan-and-vip-syndrome/#comment-106940
Muslims donot know any other language properly other than arabic , so they completely believe in mistranslated and currupted form of pure vedas .
God is the biggest discovered and yet undiscovered mystery for the mankind.Man made religion to find the answer about the creator and to control the society in certain set of rules.But question of God,s existence remains unchanged.Societies keep on evolving with the progression of science , those religion who could not answer the queries get vanished from the face of earth.
Now every religion creators works as per there intelligence level ,that can be seen in there works,Islam may be a religion but if we compare this with the theory of Vedas then difference would be same as the work of Class Xth and PHD .
Islam stands on faulty parameters. They copy everything from jews .Adam and Eve theory is a bunkum and laughable story.To think that entire humanity have arrived from one set of parents is palusible.Modern day scientist have discovered more then 10,000 DNA for humankind, till date, and that research is still going on.So as of now we can precisely say that we came from minimum 10,000 set of parents.This is the starting of Christianity and Islam and judaism,If the start is a big False how can there religion be ???
Suppose ,Religion is like a “Pipe” and society is a “plant” which is planted to grow inside that pipe(religion),In future society plant grows to a tree and that pipe of religion stands there .What will happen then ?That “Pipe” (religion) will be either broken or get vanished inside a grown up tree.So religion has to keep evolving and changed as per the demand of the society.Those religion who will stand up unchanged like a pipe will be finished the coming future.
So this is for great fan of Islam , either you should reform or in 50-100 years this religion will be a history on this earth.All other existing religion have gone through there enlightenment period except Islam.Grow up.
In spite of all the negative propaganda against Islam, ironically Islam still happens to be the fastest growing religion, not just in the west but also across the world. The more people try to suppress Islam, the more it will prevail. Allah (swt) will make His Deen (Islam) to prevail over all the other ways of life irrespective of people mocking and ridiculing His messengers.
@ Maria Muslimah
This is again a propaganda spread by Muslims that they are the fastest growing religion in the west and usa mainly by conversion, which is not the fact.Muslims preachers spread this propaganda to keep there floke together, otherwise largets no,s of Muslims atre leaving the faith .But both of these no,s cannot be substantiated as there is no concrete evidence.
But ,Wait a minute, i will give you exact picture of Islam population till 2030 in the west especially and the reason .Here is pie report for the world religious population from 2010-2030
Muslims live in dream that they will soon occupy europe by population,where as stats doesn,t prove this claim
In Europe as a whole, the Muslim share of the population is expected to grow by nearly one-third over the next 20 years, rising from 6% of the region’s inhabitants in 2010 to 8% in 2030. In absolute numbers, Europe’s Muslim population is projected to grow from 44.1 million in 2010 to 58.2 million in 2030. The greatest increases – driven primarily by continued migration – are likely to occur in Western and Northern Europe, where Muslims will be approaching double-digit percentages of the population in several countries. In the United Kingdom, for example, Muslims are expected to comprise 8.2% of the population in 2030, up from an estimated 4.6% today. In Austria, Muslims are projected to reach 9.3% of the population in 2030, up from 5.7% today; in Sweden, 9.9% (up from 4.9% today); in Belgium, 10.2% (up from 6% today); and in France, 10.3% (up from 7.5% today)
Main Factors Driving Population Growth is not conversions as some Idiot muslims thought pint to be noted , but in fact
Life Expectancy at Birth
Muslims are living much longer than they did just a generation ago.
Migration
On average, more people are leaving Muslim-majority countries than migrating to them.
Age Structure
Generally speaking, Muslim-majority countries have very youthful populations. As of 2010, people under age 30 make up about 60% of the total population of Muslim-majority countries.
Fertility
Fertility rates have fallen in most Muslim-majority countries in recent decades. Yet they remain, on average, higher than in the rest of the developing world and considerably higher than in more-developed countries
http://www.pewforum.org/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe.aspx
Just open this link and teach your deluded friends also about this propaganda
This is my request for all fellow brothers don,t get bogged down by false propaganda of Muslims that they are fastest growing religion in the world, if some one boasts off this propaganda just show him this report, it will be enough to silence his mouth.
http://www.pewforum.org/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe.aspx
Dear Sweet brother,
The link you have mentioned here is not authentic. Its some forum, ABC, XYZ forum. Talk about authentic proofs…. ‘Guinness Book of World Records’ world wide accepted book for world records. This book states that Islam is the fastest growing religion and the reason of its fast spread is conversion to Islam.
Brother, you don’t need to shut mouth of any muslim, you only need to give a thought as to why people converting to Islam??? Are all of them fools.?? The answer is no.. They have identified the true religion eventually.
Brother , i pray that Almighty God guide you to the right path.. 🙂
Many people convert out of Islam as well especially in the Western worlds where their choice to leave Islam is protected by laws. More would do so if it were not for the death penalty for Muslim apostates. Not a very confident religion which kills people who leave its faith.
@A muslim, asalamualaikum brother, you have given well balanced answer to another hate monger aryasamaji.
he has written that muslim propagate that //Muslims live in dream that they will soon occupy europe by population,//
but as far as i have heard muslims claims that there will be 6 crore muslims by 2030??? about 10% of then European population if-if the growth will remain same and who knows that what will be growth in future?
so let these filthy hate mongers hate..
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jab aadmi sapna dekhta hai,tab wo aapne bhitar pura jagat nirmit karta hai.jaisa jagat bahar hota hai vaise hi bhitar hota hai.bahar,chand,suraj,aakash,zamin,diwar achal hai to us ke sapne me bhi wo achal hote hai.is ka arth hua wo jo duniya banata hai wo apni man ki shakti se banata hai.koi bhi mehanat,samugri,sadhan use nahi karta.kyo wo allah ka sathidar nahi hai kya???thodi der ke liye to wo duniya banta hai,is se bhi wo sathidar nahi hoga?????hahaha…..
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 7- Then Allah’s Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with
terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, “Cover me! Cover me!” They covered him till
his fear was over and then he said, “O Khadija, what is wrong with me?” Then he told her
everything that had happened and said, ‘I fear that something may happen to me.” Khadija
said, ‘Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah.
The “Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir”, (Book of the Major Classes), by Ibn Sa’d, translated by
S. Moinal Haq, [4], page 225 has Muhammad saying: “O Khadija, I see light and hear sounds and I fear I am mad”.
Let’s further compare Muhammad’s experience with Biblical stories of men who
had experiences with God. Noah – Gen. 6. God speaks to Noah and tells him that He is going to destroy the earth. Noah does not panic, become depressed, or driven by fear. He knows that this God speaking to him,
and there is no need for rash action. Noah knows this is God, and Noah does not become
irrational. Noah knows that this God is not going to harm him. Abraham – Gen. 12 – 18. God speaks to Abraham. Abraham does not panic, Abraham is not bewildered, Abraham does not doubt or become depressed, Abraham believes and obeys. God visited
Abraham, yet neither he nor Sarah attempts any rash actions. Moses – Ex. 3 – 34 God appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Moses was afraid to look at God but Moses does not act paranoid. He knew that this God was not a God of terror. Moses did
not run back to his family frightened out of his mind. Moses did not become depressed
over the event, thinking he was possessed or bewitched. Instead, because Moses
personally experienced this God and knew he could trust this God, Moses knew and
obeyed. Isaiah – Isaiah 6 Isaiah had a powerful vision and experience of God. Yet he did not lose his mind, he was not driven by dread of God. He feared God because of the sin in his heart, and the
sinfulness of the people he dwelt among, but he did not panic. During this experience he
realized God had forgiven him and accepted him. Because he experienced the real God,
Isaiah did not attempt suicide or any other rash action. His mind was sound, he did not
need to have a “spirit” continue to sooth him. Mary – Luke 1. The real Gabriel also visited Mary. She too was perplexed and afraid. But during her experience with Gabriel, she gained confidence and strength. She knew God loved
her. She did not become irrational or depressed, and she did not run around frightened
out of her mind. She did not attempt suicide. Instead, because she experienced the living
God, she knew she was loved and accepted. She knew this God was real, and she had
nothing to fear. Jesus – Mark 1. When Jesus Christ began His ministry, He was baptized in water. The Holy Spirit descended upon Him. God spoke from heaven, and the people there heard God speak,
“This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.” There were no panic attacks,
depression, or doubt.
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 8 –
The prophet of Islam committed SHIRK – he was a hypocrite – he made himself Allah’s partner! Read carefully….
O you who believe, obey Allah and His Messenger … ” (8:20) “Say: obey Allah and
obey the Messenger … ” (24:54) … “Obey Allah and the Messenger and perhaps you will
be shown mercy.” (3:132) “If you obey him, you will be guided … ” (24:54) “Whoever
obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah … ” (4:79) “That what the Messenger brings you
and leave what he forbids you … ” (59:7) “Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger is
with those whom Allah has blessed.” (4:68) “We did not send any Messenger but for him to be obeyed by the permission of Allah.” (4:63) … “Whoever obeys me has obeyed Allah. Whoever rebels against me has rebelled
against Allah. …” (Muslim and al Bukhari)Obeying the Messenger is part of obeying Allah
since Allah commands that he be obeyed. True obedience is obedience to Allah’s
command and therefore obedience to His Prophet. … In the hadith of Abu Hurayrah we find that the Prophet said, “All of my community
will enter the Garden except for those who refuse to.” They asked, “O Messenger of
Allah, who will refuse?” He replied, “Whoever obeys me will enter the Garden. Whoever
rebels against me has refused.” (Al Hakim) … “It is like someone who builds a house and lays out a fine feast in it and sends out a
summoner. Whoever does not answer the summoner does not enter the house and eat
from the feast.” (Muslim and al Bukhari)
Again read carefully…
“His the Kingdom of the Heavens and of the Earth! No son hath He begotten! No partner hath He in his Empire! ” Al-Koran, Surah XXV. “…when One God was proclaimed to you, ye believed not: but when partners had been united with him, ye believed…” Al-Koran, Surah XL. “…Verily, if thou join partners with God , vain shall be all thy work, and thyself shalt be of those who perish.” Al-Koran, Surah XXXIX. “SAY: Come, I will rehearse what your Lord hath made binding on youthat ye assign
not aught to Him as partner;” Al-Koran, Surah VI.
That Mohammad was a hopelessly confused moron – but at least he could blame his
delusions on mental illness and hallucinations.
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 9 – islam ka arth peace nahi hai,nahi tha aur nahi rahega.islam ka arth hai sharanagati.kuch akal ke diwane jaise batate hai islam=peace bebunuyad aur sabse bada jhuth hai.Islam=Submission,Salam=Well-being/Peace,(Derivation of Salama=The stinging of a snake or the tanning of theleather,Saleema=To be saved or to escape from danger(when refering to a female),Saleem=To be saved or to escape from danger(when refering to a male),Aslam=To submit,Istaslama=To surrender,Tasleem=To receive a salutationor becoming submitted
he root word of Islam
is “al-silm” which means “submission” or “surrender.”
It is understood to mean “submission to Allah.” In
spite of whatever noble intention has caused many a
Muslim to claim that Islam is derived primarily from peace, this is not true. Allah says in the Qur’an
(translated): [2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and
that which is revealed to us and that which was
revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and
Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and
Jesus received, and that which the prophets
received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have
surrendered. [Arabic “Muslimoon”] A secondary root of Islam may be “Al-Salaam” (peace),
however the text of the Qur’an makes it clear that
Allah has clearly intended the focus of this way of life
to be submission to Him. This entails submission to
Him at all times, in times of peace, war, ease, or difficulty.Qur’an 5:3 says Islam is a deen (religion) Today, I have perfected your religion (dīn) for you; I
have completed My blessing upon you; I have
approved Islam for your religion Qur’an 5:3,Qur’an 3:19 says Islam is submission to Allah The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His
Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent
therefrom except through envy of each other, after
knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the
Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Qur’an 3:19,
ALLAH KI HAISIYAT???- ye jo allah hai koi dimag ki soch hai,muhammad ki mind vision hai.jyada se jyada ye man tak hi chalang le pati hai.ALLAH JO HAI WO AACCHE SAPNE BHEJTA HAI AUR BURE SAPNE SHAITAN SE AATE HAI – aisa kahna hi dimag ka star ,mentality darshata hai.bahot hi nichale darze ki mansikata siddha karta hai.sirf bura sapna bura hai usko shaitan se jodna aur aaccha sapna allah se jodna murkhata ki baat hai.sapne aakhir sapne hote hai.man ki vichar ki tarange hoti hai,iska allah se aur shaitan se jodna bachkana baat hai.are ye MUHAMMAD KO NEEND KI BIMARI TO NAHI???phir ye allah insan se marte waqt uski aatma chinta hai,aur jab mara nahi aise neend me uske aatma ko kabje me leta hai??(Q.azzumar42-43). hahaha …ab jab neend me uske aatma ko kabje me lenewale allah ko kya itna bhi pata nahi hoga ki ye sapne kaise dekhega????hahaha…jab neend me aatma kabje me lega to aatma to allah ke hate me rahi phir ye neend se jagne par usko kyo nahi yaa hota?bhich me uthata hai to kya allah fouran kabja chodta hai kya??hahaha….YE ALLAH JHUTH HAI,JHUTI BAATE KARTA HAI.
@”Lage Raho Shankar Bhai”
tum to keh rahe the sapne mein vedon k eishwar ko dekhte ho aur phir mante nahi jaise vedon k 4 rishiyon ko nahi mante apne dada pardada ko nahi mante?
@antiveer,kya hua ”hai”ke zol se abhi bhi bahar nahi aaya kya??sapna dekhna chod de??ye allah accha sapna bhejta hai ,bura shaitan bhejta hai??hahaha…kabtak aisi dakiyanusi bato me uljha rahega.ye allah sapnaman kabse ho gaya??hahaha….sapnasundari hoti hai kisi ko accha sapna,hahaha..actress ka sapna aayega to wo kya allah ne bheja hai???hahaha….ye allah to bada rangilaratan nikla yaar..hahaha…
WAKE UP GUYS: Looks Like INTERNET CENSORSHIP of the Congress Govt Has Blocked the Bhavishya Puran Website:
http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.in/ – is blank now…
It had the article with references and everything before. It just says “I have the right to write about my religion and religious scriptures.” This is outrageous. Somebody needs to find out what is going on… We need to speak up against this.
The muslims can say whatever they want against us – but when we expose their lies, it gets blocked? It is utterly unjust. We are living in a dictatorship…
Dr.zakir naiks exposed= zknaik ke tark bhi hawai hai.kalpnaoki tarange hai.pahle to baat ye hai ki duniya me do tatva hai jad aur chetan.vaise to ye agyan ke karan do dikhai padte hai.gyan hone par jad, jad nahi rahta aur chetan chetan nahi.jo jad hai vo kam chetan hai,aur jo chetan hai vo kam jad hai.patthar,loha,hira,ped inme kam chetan hai,chiti,cow,hathi,manushya inme jad kam hai.parmatma jisase jad jad hua aur chetan chetan hua uska naam hai.ab ye koun tay karega ki jad koun hai aur chetan koun? kyoki jo jad hai chetan ko nahi janega,jo chetan hai jad ko nahi janega.koi aisa tatva hona chahiye jo dono ho, to hi janega aisa tatva MAN(mind) hai.ab jab aadmi man se paar apni satta ka sakshat karta hai to wo body,man se pare aatma ko apna swarup janta hai,tab uska sanbandh body se man se tut jata hai.vo aatma ke baare me kuch bhi kah nahi pata.nirakar,nirlep,nirgun,nirvikar,ajar,amar,aisa anubhav se janta hai.par jo pandit hai,shabd se hi aatma ko siddha karta hai sirf kalpna me jita hai.satya se dur hota hai.shabd se hi man leta hai ki aatmagyan hua.to aise log tark hi dete rahte hai.ye zknaik imaginary allah ko imaginary tarike se siddha kar raha hai.
Paul W. Eckert
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