In this booklet, we explore the claims of the existing version of Quran translations in English available today as a book compatible with discoveries of modern science. Dr Zakir Naik (MBBS), a non-practicing medical undergraduate representing an organisation called IRF has attempted to explore mysteries of astrophysics through verses of Quran to claim that Quran is a book of so-called ‘signs’ that foretold revelations of modern science 1400 years ago.  In this booklet, Indian Agnostic has scrutinized the medical undergraduate’s celebrated research in astrophysics presented in “THE QUR’AAN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?” which is a big hit among young students of Islamic science. You can download the original book from irf.net or a simple google search.

We welcome readers to freely download and distribute this review of Zakir Naik’s magnum opus. We also welcome readers to share their comments and have any further queries addressed through the comments section.

But more importantly, we request truth-seekers to reject falsehood. We understand that it would be difficult for Zakir Naik to do so because he seems to be trapped in an unholy nexus which believes in killing apostates and assigning hell for all non Muslims irrespective of their noble deeds. But for the lesser celebrities, may the light of truth eradicate all forms of superstitions and lies.

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Dr. Zakir Naik, in his book The Quran and Modern Science: Compatible or Incompatible? places certain Quranic verses as evidence before us, in support of his claim that Quran and modern science are indeed compatible (The booklet can be downloaded from IRF Site)

In this article, we will examine his arguments and evidences to ascertain if there is any truth to the claim or it is yet another propagandist stunt of Dr. Naik.

This article is heavily inspired from the RATIONAL arguments/facts published on Islam-critiquing sites like FaithFreedom.org , Islam-Watch.org, AnsweringMuslims.org etc. So many a thanks to all of them for making the job a cinch 🙂
[ *Extracts from Dr. Naik’s book appear under the title “Zakir Naik says”, in Italic, followed by our response. Emphasis, underline ours]

Zakir Naik says:

“In this booklet, I intend to give an objective analysis of the Muslim belief regarding the Divine origin of the Qur’aan, in the light of established scientific discoveries.”

Our response:

Tall claim Dr. Naik! Let’s see how objective, factual and rational you have been in this work of yours.

Zakir Naik says:

There was a time, in the history of world civilization, when ‘miracles’, or what was perceived to be a miracle, took precedence over human reason and logic. But how do we define the term ‘miracle’? A miracle is anything that takes place out of the normal course of life and for which humankind has no Explanation”

“However, we must be careful before we accept something as a miracle. An article in ‘The Times of India’ Mumbai, in 1993 reported that ‘a saint’ by the name ‘Baba Pilot’ claimed to have stayed continuously submerged under water in a tank for three consecutive days and nights. However, when reporters wanted to examine the base of the tank of water where he claimed to have performed this ‘miraculous’ feat, he refused to let them do so. He argued by asking as to how one could examine the womb of a mother that gives birth to a child. The ‘Baba’ was hiding something. It was a gimmick simply to gain publicity. Surely, no modern man with even the slightest inkling towards rational thinking would accept such a ‘miracle’ “

Our response:

Point well taken Dr. Naik! So, how about subjecting a Quranic miracle to a similar scrutiny?

  1. Let’s pick up a miracle claim of the Quran (Surah 57 Verse 1). This verse talks about the miracle of Prophet Muhammad splitting the moon in two!!!
    (Source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/054.qmt.html#054.001 )
    YUSUFALI: The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.
    PICKTHAL: The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain.
    SHAKIR: The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder
  2. Now ask yourself: If staying submerged in water for 3 days was ‘baba pilots’ gimmick to gain publicity, then what should we call Muhammad’s claim of him splitting the moon in two? If a man can split moon into two parts from earth, what is the big deal if some other person remains submerged in water without oxygen? Which one is more preposterous of the two claims?

Borrowing Dr. Naik’s words: No modern man with even the slightest inkling towards rational thinking would accept any of these ‘miracles‘!

The way Dr. Naik discards baba pilot staying under water for 3 days as irrational, we expect him to apply the same rationale in discarding Muhammad’s miracle of splitting the moon in two. So Dr. Naik, when you get to read this, we expect you to treat the Quran the same way you treat baba pilot.

Needless to say, a rational modern thinking man (and woman) would discard BOTH of these so-called ‘miracles’. Appears as if we have already rendered Dr. Naik’s booklet void. But anyways, for the sake of a more detailed postmortem, lets delve a bit deeper into Dr. Naik’s arguments.

Zakir Naik says:

THE CHALLENGE OF THE QUR’AAN

“Literature and poetry have been instruments of human expression and creativity, in all cultures. The world also witnessed an age when literature and poetry occupied pride of position, similar to that now enjoyed by science and technology.” Muslims as well as non-Muslims agree that Al-Qur’aan is Arabic literature par excellence – that it is the best Arabic literature on the face of the earth.
The Qur’aan, challenges mankind in the following verses: “And if ye are in doubt As to what We have revealed From time to time to Our Servant, then produce a Soorah Like there unto; And call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, If your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot -And of a surety you cannot. Then fear the Fire Whose fuel is Men and Stones – Which is prepared for those Who reject Faith.” [Al-Qur’aan 2:23-24] The challenge of the Qur’aan, is to produce a single Soorah (chapter) like the Soorahs it contains. The same challenge is repeated in the Qur’aan several times. The challenge to produce a Soorah, which, in beauty, eloquence, depth and meaning is at least somewhat similar to a Qur’aanic Soorah remains unmet to this day.

Our response:

Dr. Naik understands that literature and poetry are instruments of HUMAN expression and creativity. This implies that the brilliance or mediocrity of a literary work can only be attributed to a HUMAN and not to some DIVINE entity. Despite that understanding, he naively reproduces the Challenge of the Quran to prove its Divinity.

How can an instrument of human expression prove or disprove the DIVINITY of a text? It’s impossible!

Let’s list down the facts that make the challenge of the Quran self-defeating and naive:

  1. Literary excellence is no guarantee of divinity of a text. So It’s futile to throw or accept this challenge, as it would not prove or disprove the divinity of the book even when the challenge is met!
  2. The challenge builds on a flawed assumption that if no comparable work exists for a given work, then it must be Divine. By that logic, even Mona Lisa is from God and Meghadootam of Kalidas is the word of God because these masterpieces have no parallels. Right?
  3. Another flaw in this challenge is that it sets the challenger as the arbitrator/judge. So any Tom, Dick and Harry with a bunch of his friends can defeat the author of the Quran. All they have to do, is to attest that their friend has written a surah better than the author of the Quran and we’re done!
  4. The biggest blunder of this challenge is that the author of the Quran was unaware of the almost zero structural impact of replacing nouns and pronouns with each other within certain statements/verses . For example, if we change “Muslims” with “kafirs” and “kafirs” with “Muslims” in any verse of the Quran, we would have created an ANTI-QURAN which matches exactly and undoubtedly with the Quran in literary excellence!!!
    [[And interestingly this new book, being divine (as it fulfills Allah’s criterion of divinity which was to be something similar or better than Quran in literary excellence), will make Muslim friends along with Zakir Bhai shed tears as they will be now going to the hellfire for eternity and the Kafirs will be enjoying the houris (who were originally meant for Muslims) in everlasting heaven! In addition to it, Muhammad, being a non Muslim (as per new DIVINE book), ceases to be a messenger and thus Quran claimed to be revealed to him loses its divine status  ]]
  5. Finally, it’s utterly dumb of a Creator to challenge his Creation to outdo Him. Why would a sensible creator do that? Imagine a car manufacturer (we like the car example because that’s a favorite of Zakir Bhai) throwing challenge at the car to run above its maximum design speed! Such a manufacturer would need a brain check up as he seems to forget that it is HE ALONE who has put the limits to the speed of his car. If he is not sure about the speed limits of his car, it implies that he lacks complete knowledge of his own product! On the other hand, if he does know the speed limits of the car and still challenges it, he needs mental treatment. Thus either Allah is not omniscient or He needs medical attention.
    [[Here we would remind you of another eccentricity of the author of Quran in which He first made Adam knowledgeable keeping the angels deliberately dumb and then organized a GK competition between Adam and the illiterate angels! How fair!..Are you still looking for science in Quran? 😉 ]]

In one paragraph we found the irrationality of a Quranic miracle and in the next Dr. Naik offered us an irrational, preposterous challenge of Quran.

I am afraid, as we investigate further…Would we end up concluding that Quran is not meant for rational persons at all? Allah forbid!

[PS: Dear reader, these are additional facts. Not necessary, but good to know in this context:

  • Many people have produced surahs like the Quran and few could tell the difference .Please Google about the furqan and suralikeit controversy to know more
  • Many Muslim as well as non-Muslim scholars DO NOT agree with the claim that Al-Quran is literature par excellence. Ali Dashti, a famous scholar punctures this claim quite effectively in his works

Zakir Naik says:

A modern rational man, however, would never accept a religious scripture, which says, in the best possible poetic language, that the world is flat. This is because we live in an age, where human reason, logic and science are given primacy. Not many would accept the Qur’aan’s extraordinarily beautiful language, as proof of its Divine origin.

Our response:

As has been explained above, literary excellence cannot by itself be the proof of divinity. So No rational person would ever accept Quran as divine because of that alone. But Dr. Naik brings up another point in this piece. Here he rightly suggests that if any religious scripture goes against scientifically established fact, it should not be accepted.

Now the question to ask is whether Quran goes against a scientific fact or not? What does the Quran say about the shape of the Earth?

We’ll know very soon 🙂 But please remember, if the Quran goes against a scientifically established truth, Dr. Naik requests you to not accept the Quran as a religious scripture.

Zakir Naik says:

The Qur’aan is not a book of science but a book of ‘signs’, i.e. ayats. There are more than six thousand ‘signs’ in the Qur’aan of which more than a thousand deal with science

Our response:

Dr. Naik’s generalization that 1/6th of Quran is dedicated to science is without evidence. He does not provide any reference of the 1000+ verses dedicated to science. Appeal to false authority?

As far as signs of Allah are concerned, the less said about them the better. An example of such a sign is the natural phenomenon of eclipse, that is well explained and understood by science. But in Islam, this very natural phenomenon is treated as a ‘sign’ of Allah!

Zakir Naik says:

We all know that many a times Science takes a ‘U-turn’. In this book I have considered only established scientific facts and not mere hypotheses and theories that are based on assumptions and are not backed by proof.

Our response:

Dr. Naik should have elaborated on the criteria he applied to distinguish between established scientific facts and mere theories that are prone to the U-Turn syndrome. It’s a very tricky game even for the scientists 😉 Anyways, let’s give him the benefit of doubt on this one and channel our energies in investigating the evidence (the Quranic Verses) he offers in support of science in the Quran instead.

Zakir Naik says:

I. ASTRONOMY
CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE: ‘THE BIG BANG’

The creation of the universe is explained by astrophysicists in a widely accepted phenomenon, popularly known as the ‘Big Bang’. It is supported by observational and experimental data gathered by astronomers and astrophysicists for decades. According to the ‘Big Bang’, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a ‘Big Bang’ (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it occurring by ‘chance’ is zero. The Qur’aan contains the following verse, regarding the origin of the universe: Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?” [Al-Qur’aan 21:30]

Our response:

Very poor evidence indeed! And that too factually incorrect!

Dr. Naik has let his imagination loose in correlating big bang with this verse (21:30) of the Quran. Let’s analyze this verse closely.

  • It starts with “do not the unbelievers SEE” – This can mean two things- a) that the phenomenon being talked about can be actually seen AND/OR b) that the phenomenon being talked about here is already KNOWN to the people who it is being addressed to (unbelievers in this case). Look at it any which way, it only proves that the phenomenon was already known (and possibly verifiable) to the addressees in advance. So there’s no new knowledge that is being revealed here. I don’t know why Dr. Naik chose such a self-defeating verse in the first place.
  • Then the verse says “that the heavens and earth were joined together, before We clove them asunder?” – This rustic imagination has nothing to do with the big bang. The earth was formed billions of years after the big bang!! And most importantly, earth was not parted from the universe, it is, was and will remain a part of the Universe!

A very bad choice indeed. This verse is scientifically unsound and rustic. It fails in parts and as a whole too 🙁

Another important thing to note is how conveniently (read unscientifically) Dr. Naik assumes the word ‘heaven’ in the verse to mean ‘universe’. Unfortunately, despite this innovation, the verse turned out to be a scientific disaster and a non-revelation.

By the way, the Quranic heaven is a 7 storied building/canopy over the earth. Interestingly, not only the Quranic heaven but the Quranic earth has seven layers too (Quran 65:12 [Yusuf Ali] “Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number.”
(We would not be surprised if Dr. Naik comes up with some multiverse argument to explain the 7 universes, but what will he do about the 7 earths therein?)

So, after having analyzed the evidence (verse 21:30) we find that Quranic model of universe is very much against established scientific facts but it’s in perfect sync with Judaic, Greek view of its time. The author of Quran insists that the heavens can be seen by the unbelievers (or are already known to them).

To be doubly sure that the ‘heaven’ of Quran is NOT the ‘universe’, we look at another verse which unambiguously states that the earth was created first and thereafter the heavens (Universe as per Dr. Naik) were created.
Quran 2:29  “He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawâ (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything.”

Now going by Dr. Naik’s terminology ,you get from this verse:

  • a universe that was created after the earth was created !! (Allah had to rise over earth to reach the Universe…Enjoy the science!)
  • a universe that was smoke while the earth was solid!!!
  • a universe that was fragmented into 7 layers!!!

What a disaster!

Zakir Naik says:

The striking congruence between the Qur’aanic verse and the ‘Big Bang’ is inescapable! How could a book, which first appeared in the deserts of Arabia 1400 years ago, contain this profound scientific truth?

Our response:

Rather, these verses only corroborate that the author of the Quran was only reiterating what the Arabs of 7th century believed in: 7 layers of flat disc earth and 7 layers of solid canopies of heaven on top. All borrowed from Greek, Talmud myths and reproduced by the author of the Quran.

As if all this was not bad enough, Dr. Naik dishonestly translates the word ‘heaven’ as ‘universe’…and despite that, his evidence not only falls short but goes anti the big-bang theory. We hope, being a modern rational man, he would do a ‘baba pilot’ with the Quran as well after reading this article.

Zakir Naik says:

CREATION OF GALAXIES

Scientists say that before the galaxies in the universe were formed, celestial matter was initially in the form of gaseous matter. In short, huge gaseous matter or clouds were present before the formation of the galaxies. To describe initial celestial matter, the word ‘smoke’ is more appropriate than gas. The following Qur’aanic verse refers to this state of the universe by the word dhukhan which means smoke.

Moreover, He Comprehended In His design the sky, And it had been (as) smoke: He said to it And to the earth: ‘Come ye together, Willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We do come (Together), in willing obedience.'” [Al-Qur’aan 41:11]

Our response:

How unscientific of a book which has just one word for sky, heaven, galaxy, universe! That which is heaven for Pickthall, is sky for Yusuf Ali, is Galaxy(!!!!!) for Dr. Naik. And mind you, in one of these Dr. Naiks ‘universes’ (or galaxies?) the author of Quran promises rivers of honey and milk and wine and what not. I hope NASA find’s one such heaven..oops galaxy ..oops Universe!

Just for fun, let’s assume that Dr. Naik is a bigger scholar of Arabic than any of the most reputed ones (like Yusuf Ali, Pickthaal, Hilali, Shakir etc.) and we use ‘Galaxy’ instead of ‘sky’ in the above verse. Even then, the author of the Quran fails miserably.. here’s how:

  1. The verse starts with “Moreover” ..Implying that before the creation of the galaxies, Allah did something else.
  2. We can find what precedes the creation of ‘galaxies’ by reading the preceding verse, of which, 41:11 is an obvious successor – “Quran Verse 41:10
    He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).

    So what do we have from this verse: The Earth is formed before the formation of galaxies! As if earth is not part of a galaxy!!
  3. Now look the verse 41:11 by itself.. It says the ‘Galaxy’ was a smoke, as if the earth was not! Very Very unscientific!
  4. Read further into the verse “he said to it and the earth: ‘come ye together“.. IS THIS HOW THE GALAXY WAS FORMED? BY coming together of Earth and the rest of the Galaxy? What kind of a joke is this!!! Earth is, was a part of this galaxy… earth was formed with the same “SMOKE” of which the galaxy was formed.

We find that despite the innovative translation of the Quran by Dr. Naik, it still goes against established scientific facts. We are surprised and disheartened that such absurd unscientific arguments find many buyers in the Islamic world. Science has a lot of catching up to do 🙁

Zakir Naik says:

Again, this fact is a corollary to the ‘Big Bang’ and was not known to the Arabs during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What then, could have been the source of this knowledge?

Our response:

Dr. Naik .. The source of Quran’s ‘knowledge’ (?) is Greek, Babylonian, Jewish and Christian mythology of its time which it faithfully reproduces. Add to that your unscientific translation of the same word in any which way that suits you. And despite all this hanky panky, your argument still bites the dust.

Zakir Naik says:

THE SPHERICAL SHAPE OF THE EARTH

In early times, people believed that the earth is flat. For centuries, men were afraid to venture out too far, lest they should fall off the edge. Sir Francis Drake was the first person who proved that the earth is spherical when he sailed around it in 1597. Consider the following Qur’aanic verse regarding the alternation of day and night: “Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day And He merges Day into Night?” [Al-Qur’aan 31:29]. Merging here means that the night slowly and gradually changes to day and vice versa. This phenomenon can only take place if the earth is spherical. If the earth was flat, there would have been a sudden change from night to day and from day to night.

The following verse also alludes to the spherical shape of the earth: “He created the heavens And the earth In true (proportions): He makes the Night Overlap the Day, and the Day Overlap the Night.” [Al-Qur’aan 39:5] The Arabic word used here is Kawwara meaning ‘to overlap’ or ‘to coil’- the way a turban is wound around the head. The overlapping or coiling of the day and night can only take place if the earth is spherical.

Our response:

  1. The underlined claim is false. A flat-disc earth with sun moving in a canopy above it will also result in gradual change of night and day. Thus, using this as an argument in support of a spherical earth is void.
  2. By the way , Let’s look at the complete verse (31:29) “Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and he merges Day into Night; that He has subjected the sun, and the moon (to his Law), each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do?” [verse 39:5 repeats the same claim]This verse when looked at in its entirety exposes the naïve understanding of the author of the Quran. The author believes that night merges into day and day merges into night because sun and moon follow their courses around the earth at appointed intervals. It’s a scientific blunder that assumes a geocentric world (as the Greeks used to believe)
  3. Also, the verse in its entirety is talking about how Allah makes night and day using sun and moon. It nowhere talks about the shape of the earth…or for that matter it does not talk about the earth at all! It talks about the courses of the sun and moon (not of earth).
  4. Gradual change of day into night and vice versa is a PLAIN OBSERVATION for anybody. It does not require any rocket science to be appreciated. Coupling this observation with the fact that Quran talks of spherical earth is as foolish as claiming that Quran talks about nuclear fusion because it mentions somewhere that the sun shines! Rather than fulfilling his promise of an objective analysis, we find that Dr. Naik has surrendered to his wild imagination to hunt for science in the Quran.

Dear reader, we know that you would have called the bluff of Dr. Naik by now. But let’s bear with a few more ‘evidences’ of Dr. Naik. Let this be dealt with once and for all.

Zakir Naik says:

The earth is not exactly round like a ball, but geo-spherical i.e. it is flattened at the poles. The following verse contains a description of the earth’s shape “And the earth, moreover, Hath He made egg shaped.”  [Al-Qur’aan 79:30]

The Arabic word for egg here is dahaha, which means an ostrich-egg. The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth. Thus the Qur’aan correctly describes the shape of the earth, though the prevalent notion when the Qur’aan was revealed was that the earth is flat

Our response:

As expected, the translation of the above verse is NOT from YUSUF ALI, it’s a later day addition by apologists like Dr. Naik. Here are the three reputed translations:

YUSUFALI: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);
PICKTHAL: And after that He spread the earth,
SHAKIR: And the earth, He expanded it after that.

Al-Taqiyya is at play and Dr. Naik deviates from his assurance that he would quote from Yusuf Ali. He created his own translation!!! Not a single scholar worth his salt translated dahaha as egg-shaped.

Well, that’s enough to refute this concoction But let’s refute it thoroughly:

  1. The word ‘dahaha’ DOES NOT mean Ostrich-egg…it means to flatten, roll out, spread etc as per the most trusted Arabic dictionaries. No Arabic dictionary of repute can make such a phenomenal blunder, but Dr. Naik is unfazed nonetheless, he is happy with his innovation. He must be reminded that Innovation is a GREAT SIN in Islam
  2. Again, even if hypothetically dahaha meant egg shaped, then again, scientifically speaking, the earth is an oblate spheroid and not an ovoid like the ostrich egg
  3. Now let’s look at other places where the Quran talks about the shape of the earth
  • Quran 50:7 “And the earth have We spread out, and have flung firm hills therein, and have caused of every lovely kind to grow thereon”. [Waal-ardamadadnahawaalqaynafeeharawasiyawaanbatnafeeha min kullizawjinbaheejin]
    The word used here is madadnaha – which means spread out, make plain, flatten – nothing spherical about it. [Quran 50:7]
  • Quran 91:6 “And the earth and Him Who spread it [Waal-ardiwamatahaha]
  • Quran 71:19 “‘And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out), [ WaAllahujaAAalalakumu al-ardabisatan ]

From the evidence above, we can safely ask Dr. Zakir Naik to take his ostrich egg back to his ostrich farm and not confuse Muslims as well as non-Muslims on the straight forward translations of the Quranic words/verses by the most reputed scholars of Quran.

And if there is still residual doubt in your minds, let’s read this verse of the author of Quran 79:19 “‘And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),
[Have you seen a spherical carpet? 😉 ]

Now let’s puncture Dr. Naik’s other claim that the prevalent notion at the time of Quran was that the earth is flat. We share with you the scientific understanding about earth’s shape and SIZE during the same time period (actually a century prior to) when the Quran was revealed. Aryabhatta was an Indian mathematician and wrote his treatise Aryabhatiya in 499 CE:

  • Aryabhatta tells us that the Moon and planets shine by reflected sunlight and that the orbits of the planets are ellipses.
    [The author of the Quran was unaware of the fact that all planets reflect sunlight 🙁 ]
  • He also correctly explained the causes of eclipses of the Sun and the Moon.
    [Muslims including the prophet [and many Hindus even today] used to pray during eclipses because they did not understand this natural phenomenon. They thought it to be one of Allah’s or God’s signs – Quran is after all a book of signs 😉 ]
  • His value for the length of the sidereal year at 365 days 6 hours 12 minutes 30 seconds is only 3 minutes 20 seconds longer than the true value of 365 days 6 hours 9 minutes 10 seconds.
    [Now that’s what we call a substantial claim. Not something rustic like “we have divided the year into four seasons” kind of banal stuff]
  • He estimated the value of ‘Pi’ as: “Add four to one hundred, multiply by eight and then add sixty-two thousand. The result is approximately the circumference of a circle of diameter twenty thousand. By this rule the relation of the circumference to diameter is given.” In other words, Pi=62832/20000 = 3.1416, correct to four rounded-off decimal places.
    [PI is needed for anybody who understands circles (forget about spheres). The author of the Quran didn’t have anything to opine in this regard in his ‘1000+ scientific verses”?]
  • Aryabhatta accurately calculated the Earth’s circumference as 24,835 miles, which was only 0.2% smaller than the actual value of 24,902 miles. This approximation remained the most accurate for over a thousand years [i.e. 100 years before Islam and 900 years after the advent of Islam !]
    source: http://www.archive.org/details/The_Aryabhatiya_of_Aryabhata_Clark_1930

Dear Readers, please compare Aryabhatta’s knowledge on the shape and circumference of the earth versus Allah’s vague revelation that the earth is an expanse or even Dr. Naik’s innovative translation that earth is ostrich egg shaped (which is anyways wrong). Which one of the two sounds like science?

And don’t forget, Aryabhatta revealed all this a century before the author of the Quran came up with his so called scientific verses!

Guess what? Aryabhatta was 23 years old when he gave us his marvelous treatise on Astronomy, Algebra, Spherical geometry, trigonometry etc.

THUS IF MUHAMMAD BE REGARDED AS PROPHET BECAUSE OF THE SIGNS OR SCIENCE HE IS CLAIMED TO HAVE GIVEN IN A BOOK CALLED QURAN, ARYABHATTA DESERVES TO BE REGARDED AS AN EVEN BIGGER PROPHET FOR GIVING MUCH MORE ACUURATE SCIENCE IN HIS BOOK. If Quran be basis for regarding Muhammad as Rasul, then Aryabhatta is the true Rasul.

The derivatives of Aryabhatta’s work reached an Arab (Al-Khwarizmi), who translated it into Arabic and consequently took this knowledge to the West. He is now known as the father of algebra!
[Thank God! He was smart enough to know where to look for scientific knowledge from – and it was NOT the Quran]

Wondering why this particular rebuttal is so long and comprehensive? Well! Don’t you remember what Dr. Naik said? He said that if any scripture says that the earth is flat, you must discard that scripture. Now you know what you have to do..don’t you?

Zakir Naik says:

THE LIGHT OF THE MOON IS REFLECTED LIGHT

It was believed by earlier civilizations that the moon emanates its own light. Science now tells us that the light of the moon is reflected light. However this fact was mentioned in the Qur’aan 1,400 years ago in the following verse:. Blessed is He Who made Constellations in the skies, And placed therein a Lamp And a Moon giving light.” [Al-Qur’aan 25:61]

The Arabic word for the sun in the Qur’aan, is shams. It is referred to as siraaj, which means a ‘torch’ or as wahhaaj which means ‘a blazing lamp’ or as diya which means ‘shining glory’. All three descriptions are appropriate to the sun, since it generates intense heat and light by its internal combustion. The Arabic word for the moon is qamar and it is described in the Qur’aan as muneer, which is a body that gives nur i.e. light. Again, the Qur’aanic description matches perfectly with the true nature of the moon, which does not give off light itself and is an inert body that reflects the light of the sun. Not once in the Qur’aan, is the moon mentioned as siraaj, wahhaaj or diya or the sun as nur or muneer. This implies that the Qur’aan recognizes the difference between the nature of sunlight and moonlight.

The Arabic word dahaha has been translated by A. Yusuf Ali as “vast expanse”, which also is correct. The word dahaha also means an ostrich-egg
Consider the following verses related to the nature of light from the sun and the moon: “It is He who made the sun To be a shining glory And the moon to be a light (Of beauty).” [Al-Qur’aan 10:5] “See ye not How Allah has created The seven heavens One above another, “And made the moon A light in their midst, and made the sun As a (Glorious) Lamp?” [Al-Qur’aan 71:15-16]’

Our response:

  1. As has been already shared, Aryabhatta not only explained that moon and other planets reflect the sun’s light but also explained eclipses. Dr. Naik needs to read about some great non-Arabic civilizations of the time (I wonder how he missed this one being born in a civilization as great as Indian – anyways).
  2. Now if Dr. Naik is to be believed, Nur means reflected light. No previous Islamic scholar has made this scandalous claim before – and do you know why? Because one of the 99 Names of the God of Quran (Allah) is AN-Nur. If we translate this word according to Dr. Naik’s definition Allah’s name would become: THE REFLECTED LIGHT! Now the question to ask Dr. Naik is that if Allah is “reflected light” who is the Original Light Source? [We await Dr. Naik’s answer to this question eagerly]
  3. Dr. Naik, probably embarrassed, has not shared the entire verses 71:15-16. Here they are
    15-16 “See ye not
    how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another. And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?” So what do we have here:
    –Again the Greek/Judaic philosophical thought of 7 heavens in which various stars and planets and sun and moon can be SEEN by the naked eye. Hence Allah’s insistence in this verse too. He is asking everybody to look at the planets which are visible at dawn and dusk, the stars, the planets, the moon all believed to be stationed in their respective layers of the 7 layered heaven
    –Another blunder is that Moon is placed IN BETWEEN (in the midst of) these Layers. Another verse tells us that stars are in the lower heavens.. implying that moon is farther than the stars from us
  4. Another big hole in this argument is that it ties Nur with Moon. Aryabhatta told us 100 years before Quran that ALL PLANETS reflect sun light. Earth is also a Nur (borrowing Dr. Naik innovative translation) when looked from the Moon. [Ask Rakesh Sharma or Neil Armstrong. Better use Google].

Yes, Yes we do understand that all this is more than enough to debunk Dr. Naik’s entire booklet. Kindly let us know any other ‘scientific miracle‘ [oxymoron!] you are finding difficult to refute. We’ll respond in the comments section. Thanks for going through the looong article.

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Jay

Truth Seeker already provided you the Agniveer article dealing with your question. Please stop posting the same question onto different threads and pick one. Here is the thread with Truth Seeker’s reply to you with Agniveer’s link http://agniveer.com/scientific-errors-in-hinduism/

Truth Seeker

@anti-agnii
I could not understand why do Muslim hate with Arya Samaj too much even than Ali Sina.

Truth Seeker
@anti-agnii I have read Satyarth Parkash in which Swami Dayanand criticize Hindu for their superstitions and downfall. Dayanand criticize the people having faith in God-incarnation to give massage or sending postmen/messengers etc. with a massage. Swami Dayanand was against bowing before stones and associating human name with God. He criticism… Read more »
jai shankar
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 10 – pahli to baat ye hai ki islam ya Christian ye dharm nahi hai.sabse badi bhul logonki yahi ho gayi.galti se logone in dono ko dharm samaj liya hai.ye dharm nahi apitu religion hai,jiska thik-thik arth panth,sanpraday ya kisi vyakti vishesh dwara chalaya gaya ”aadesh” ”hukumnama”… Read more »
1india
@Jay The books is too long. Not sure but will try to read. If Muslim can justify 9 wives of prophet, including a 9 year old girl & marrying his own daughter in law, they can claim anything. It feels like living in 21st century and reading funny discoveries of… Read more »
Jay

The information is there for everyone. Read a little or read the whole thing. Take it at your own pace.

1india

The starting with Narcissus in the book really made me laugh though.

1india
I think Arabs outsmarted long ago by creating such slave zombies that could serve arabs and keep killing people for ages by holding a fake book. Muslim/Islam/Arabs have hardly any contribution to human race, they borrow all kind of science and comfort from westerns and still they keep shouting like… Read more »
Jay
Actually Arabs were the first victims of Islam. Read the Truth About Mohamed in the link I posted above. Mohammed was an Arab polytheist by birth. His own people were priests who ran the Kaaba. The Kaaba was already a religious site long before Mohammed created Islam. Mohammed for some… Read more »
Aditya
Actually I have felt the same.I feel like Max Muller,Mohammed framed his own religion just like that.Though Max Muller’s aryan invasion theory has been proved wrong,we are in the process of proving islam too.I have read the Sharia Law,and it is one of the worst law books on earth,and muslims… Read more »
Jay
Max Muller did not believe in a race called Aryan. People took his linguistic categorizations and racialized them but he thought “…an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a… Read more »
Aditya
I read the link you mentioned.Actually many of the scientific developments can be traced to India. Many people from Greece,Egypt,china,Babylon,etc.Came to Taxila,Nalanda and Ujjain for learning.There were nearly 69 departments in Taxila and Nalanda.It was the epicenter of Ancient learning.I request all Agniveers to search “Pride of India” in google… Read more »
Jack

Dr. Zakir Naik ( M.B.B.S ) = Bachelor of Madressa , Bachelor of Saitaan

Fatima

You all hindus r afraid of Dr Zakir because he is abolishing hinduism and is dominating Islam that’s why u ppl can’t do anything and can just accuse him with the help of a blog but all this is useless ………

Aditya
See he is spreading wrong message about hinduism.All of his claims on vedas are wrong.Moreover who is he to talk about the vedas.What is his qualification in Sanskrit?Is he a Masters or P.Hd in sanskrit?Moreover not all can explain the meaning of vedas.There are 2 kinds of sanskrit.Vedic sanskrit and… Read more »
Fatima

if u have read the Quran then their is a lot about astrology and the first ever scientists were Muslims later their books were taken

Jay

Read the book The Truth About Mohammed link above and this Unmasking Mohammed http://islam-watch.org/SujitDas/Unmasking_Muhammad.pdf

Jay

Here is how Islamic “inventions” did not change the world – manly because it was other people who invented it that Muslims them passed off as theirs http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Inventions%3F_How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

Aditya
I have read the Quran,bible and Vedas.You just have a few verses but we have have a whole science dealing with it.it is known as jyothisham.Moreover have you heard about susrutha,chraka,aryabhatta….And the list goes.BTW we are the first to introduce 0,decimal,geometry and algebra.Without the above math,your scientists could have done… Read more »
dogra

Superb Aditya,

Guess a number of non hinuds think they can yap on about sanatan dharma, but have no idea of the beautiful humanity within Hinduism-real name sanatan dharma

108Eternal
Namaste. This is not relevant to the article by the way. I’d like to know why Agniveer is not analysing christianity? The inhumane conversion practices of christian missionaries is a severe threat not only in Bharat but the world over. Behind the mask of christian missionaries are people who would… Read more »
helping

hii !! friend go to

satyagni . com

here christanity is also being analysed , this is agniveer website only . since now agniveer divided in two..
this is one topic

http://satyagni.com/2099/why-i-left-christianity/

108Eternal
Namaste brother. Thanks a lot. I’ll check it out. 🙂 Btw, I think that the Satyagni site isn’t receiving as much exposure as the Agniveer site, and since it’s the Satyagni site that analyses christianity, many people may not get to learn about the truth about christianity. Maybe promote the… Read more »
hardcorehindu
@ Agniveer Every religion after a certain time evolves. For example there were many concepts in Hinduism (example Sati) which have been abolished after there were reformers and scholars who had the capacity to think. Hinduism being a tolerant relgion accepted these changes with good spirit. On the other hand… Read more »
108Eternal
Namaste brother. Just wanted to clarify something in your post. Sati was, is and never will be a part of Sanatana Dharma. There is not a single verse in Vedas which speaks of Sati. It has always been a social practice. It’s cause is not Sanatana Dharma, but the ignorance… Read more »
hardcorehindu

Agniveerji – The work done by your team is commendable. I would like to read an article from you comparing India and all Islamic nations in all aspects. There are some real basic reasons why Islamic nations arent progressive. They are blessed with oil and guns.

Vajra

Namaste hardcorehindu

By the time Agniveer does that, here is some interesting views of a Pakistani scholar Hassan Nisar on Islamic history and heroes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZoYC9YPkSw

xxxmuslim

scholars of islam are the biggest liers…just like moham Mad 😛

Aziz
but still there’s a difference between a normal person and a person who has great knoledge of religions.. you should argue with people who are scholars of Islam I m not inviting you to accept Islam just to say that some of your thinkings about Islam are wrong .. anyways… Read more »
Jay

Aziz go to ex-Muslim Ali Sina’s site http://www.faithfreedom.org and take up his challenge.

hardcorehindu
@ Aziz Namaskar I dont think theres anything wrong with any religion. However i think there is something grossly wrong with some sect of the preachers of every religion. Its sad that the % of this is very high in Islam. Is something wrong with what is being taught in… Read more »
Jay

Read “The Truth About Mohammed” and learn what kind of man he really was and the religion he started. http://www.thecrescentorthecross.com/Robert%20Spencer%20-%20The%20Truth%20About%20Muhammad.pdf

Vajra

Namaste Aziz

Please refer the links I shared previously.

xxxmuslim

I left islam,thanks to ali sinha,agniveer,indian agnostic 🙂

KalBhairav
@xxxmuslim: You are a liar. You are just a Hindu posting under a Muslim name. If you were a true Muslim then you need not look out of the Quran for any of your needs – be it your needs to know about physics, chemistry, biology or economics. Dont you… Read more »
xxxmuslim

lol I had enough..I have brains to analyze the truth and false,by watching video of lier zakir naik,omg I though quran is full of scientific facts,QURAN has no science in it….good bye to evil allah 😛 and oooh yeh ballssssss to moham MAD..sorry MOHAM MAD,u cant fool me

Aziz
well dude you look like an intelligent person i have read some of your articles I cannot answer them as i don’t have much knowledge about them but some of your concepts about Islam are very wrong you should come out with your questions and conepts about Islam and argue… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Aziz: Welcome to Agniveer. We get a variety of Muslims commenting here inviting us to understand the true message of Islam. Unfortunately when we probe them a little bit on Islamic theology and its applicability to modern life, they fail miserably under the weight of scrutiny. What is the point… Read more »
amer

agniveer you are scholar of vedas and quran

AHMAD
Vajra
Namaste Ahmad Unfortunately the Islamic scientist who wrote this article on moon light is not aware of the simple phenomenon of reflection 🙁 For the reflection to happen- 1. something (called reflector) other than the source is required 2. In the lamp, its not REFLECTED light but TRANSMITTED light which… Read more »
AHMAD

@ vajra
Read the article thoroughly your all childish question has been answrd aptly.

Vajra

Ahmad

Just paste here the relevant portion of the answer as I couldn’t find it anywhere 🙁

And can you defend what is written in the article or you are just another ummi messenger of Mushafiq Sultan like Brother Faizan? 🙂

AHMAD

I f you have subtle point and you think that you stand on truth side you can come there and comment.
Now upto you..
tHNX

Vajra
Ahmad I dont consider the people willing to kill, convert, force others worth debating. Those asking for death punishment for apostates and implementation of Shariyat are not to be dealt with dialogues as their intellect fails to grasp logic and reasoning. But on this forum when people like you start… Read more »
Tree Squirrel
Vajra It seems you are out of your senses. Your comment reflects the pathetic state of your mind. You might be an ancestor worshipper but we are not. you ancestors were deluded and it is logical to bury their 20th century BC crap in the dustbin of history. Islam liberated… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste Tree Squirrel ————-Islam liberated us from Hindus like who were the worst creatures under the sky.————— You had to pay the price for this liberation in the form of your mothers and sisters who were dragged away as ghanimat ka maal (war booty) to satisfy the lust of Allah’s… Read more »
Rushmore

Vajra, bigots are like the pupils of the eyes. The more light you pour, the more they contract. The forefathers of Mushafiqs and Treesquirrels must be turning in their graves, right now…

Vajra

Agreed Brother Rushmore

KalBhairav
@Vajra: So friend Tree squirrel, try to explore other trees around because the one you live on is a cactus without fruits and leaves. It can only make you bleed at best. Great line! Unfortunately, the Abrahamic my-way-or-the-highway-to-hell-type intellectual/actual terrorists are completely clueless. They come here, one by one they… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste Brothers KalBhairav, roger and sanatanakki ————Why is it so difficult for Muslims to simply come out and say, hey Kufrs, you know what? Our interpretation of the Quran/Hadiths has been wrong for 1400 years. No way can death be the punishment for apostasy and eternal hellfire be the solution… Read more »
sanatanaakki

@ Vajra..

Very impressive indeed……loved ur explanation…

roger

@bro vajra

hah, he’s already bleeding

KalBhairav

@Tree Squirrel:

Another unabashed terrorist on agniveer. Great! You ran away from the other thread. Never mind. My expectations of Muslims like you keeps decreasing with every passing comment like yours above. Keep it up.

AHMAD
@Kalbhairav T errorist …??????? Its just tell your mentality and hatredness…..you people call yourself the taker of truth and compassion with all….its shows and expose actually what agniveer and his group stand for…i am nt et all surprised by your words because here all of you split this venom and… Read more »
hardcorehindu

@ Ahmad

Oh yeah mate, u r all so peace loving, truth seeking, open minded people that everyone here seems to misinterpret you.

I am hallucinating here for sure.

Vajra
Ahmad What will you call a person who threatens you of wiping your religion out? Do you know what terrorist means? BTW Zakir Naik is another terrorist in this list as he openly supports killing of apostates and ban on non Muslim preachings in Islamic states. And if you support… Read more »
KalBhairav

Hey smart aleck:

While we are on the subject of terrorism, answer based on your so-called knowledge of comparative religion:

What is the punishment for apostasy in Hinduism?

What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam?

KalBhairav
@AHMAD: If I take the trouble of registering on that website, I am unsure you guys will allow me to post rebuttals there without moderation… In any case, here is a youtube channel debunking *ALL ISLAMIC MIRACLES/SCIENCE CLAIMS*. They also have a section dedicated to Zakir Naik. Congrats Bro, Zakir… Read more »
sanatanaakki

@ KalBhairav

Y u even care to ask.. you know how biased these people are they will answer u some big verses and ban u and display as u accepted the defeat …

HARI OM..

KalBhairav

@sanatanaakki:

Indeed. They deal with apostates by killing them. That shows their intellectual maturity.

AHMAD
Two both of you people as i said that until your comments are not abusive we are not going to delete them .Our is a serious forum for truth seekers its not like hate monger agniveer….you are welcome to put your views…..on the rebuttal of this article this point Response… Read more »
Vajra

Ahmad

Yours is the religion which does not allow non Muslims even practice and preach their religion openly in Islamic countries and now its you who is lecturing on freedom of expression 🙂 Why do you and other prophet Zakir’s followers prove yourself hypocrites every time?

KalBhairav

Full response is in d way…..

Cant wait for it. Once I read that I am sure I will be convinced that 2+2 is indeed 4. Until then, I will be thinking 2+2 = 5.

AHMAD

@KALBHAIRAV….
We do not delete any comments unless they are abusive and lack basic decency unlike agniveer who deletes the comments of Muslims but retains the abusive and slanderous comments of Hindu radicals.

hardcorehindu
@ Ahmad Please check what the illiterate Mr. Muhammad has written in this article. Check all his unscientific, baseless and illogical arguements. He still isnt banned here. We want more and more of such people to write so that when a 3rd person reads this post he can decide for… Read more »
KalBhairav

@AHMAD:

Alrighty then…I will register if I feel like it later. In the meantime, here is a challenge for you. Get to work, my dear friend 😉

Mahmood
108Eternal
Renny

Please would someone translate this into English
or give subtitles?
Thank you

Renny

sanatanaakki

Many people have asked the same but… its not yet done….

We hope some day we get the exact translation of the debate….

Satyendra
Hi Brother Pathans, It is very interesting to know that Islam has always been biased towards Madarsas and not towards rational thinkings. These centers brainwash people so that they focus only on ISLAM. We as human beings have every right to look towards our history and cultural linkages. For example:… Read more »
sanatanaakki

@ Mahmood

why are u missing the point and raising other questions… stick to the topic and complete one thing then bring other…

Like this we all will keep on posting questions and no one will answer….

108Eternal
Namaste brothers and sisters. Can brother Rushmore or anyone else for that matter shed some light on the activities of the Arya Samaj in Arunachal Pradesh? I know that my question is off-topic, but I would really like to know if the Arya Samaj are dealing with the christian missionaries… Read more »
Rushmore
@ 108 Eternal: I will not be the right person to answer you what Arya Samaj is doing in Arunachal Pradesh. But I can share with you whatever I know about what’s called the Joshua Project. It involves an extremely rigorous gameplan by an umbrella of evangelical organizations to proselytize… Read more »
108Eternal
Namaste brother. Thank you so much. It seems that the christian evangelicals go about in a much more planned and organised manner than the jihadi muslim evangelicals. It’s truly disgusting to see that such organisations are allowed to exist, but then again, radical evangelism is one of the main features… Read more »
Rushmore

@ 108 Eternal: I think the challenge to evangelism is coming from localized groups and specific organizations like Art Of Living and Esha Foundation and ofcourse Arya Samaj, VHP / RSS. For example, AOL has a seperate Arunachal Pradesh wing that spread the message of the Dharma.

Rushmore

@ Mansoor: And I am not sure you looked up 21:30 correctly. Surah 21 Verse 30 talks about heaven and earth being together and WE (Allah + Muhammad?) cloved them asunder. Where does the verse talk about water,as you had mentioned?

Mansoor
To Rushmore Here are translations of Surah 21 verse 30: Do the unbelievers not consider the fact that the heavens and the earth were joined together? We split them asunder! And from water, We created every living being! Do they not believe (that) (Dr.Munir Munshey) Do not the Unbelievers see… Read more »
Rushmore

And many times, it as been exposed that 21:30 ties back directly to Genesis 1: 6 – 9. So don’t you think that the credit should be given to the Bible instead of Quran, as many experts of comparitive religions have said?

Mansoor
But Genesis accounts contradict with Big Bang Theory.For example: God created the earth before the sun and stars(Genesis 1:1-5) However, the big-bang view teaches the exact opposite. Genesis teaches that God created the universe in six days.It is clear from the context in Genesis that these were days in the… Read more »
Rushmore
@ Mansoor: Do you know how the big bang theory happened? If anything, both the Bible and the Quran are wrong,when the verses are used to make a connection with the Big Bang theory. It is your enthusiasm to make the Quran look scientific that is driving you to link… Read more »
Rushmore
@ Mansoor: If you think that the days in which this universe was created in the Bible is wrong, the same error exists in the Quran too. Ofcourse, Zakir Naik, having realized that this will be troublesome to explain,rehashed the 7 days of the Quran into epochs to make it… Read more »
Mansoor
Quran and Science Quran says in Surah 51 verse 47 that our universe is expanding. “It is we who have built the universe with [our creative] power; and, verily, it is we who are steadily expanding it.”(Muhammad Asad) And we know that it was Edvin Hubbel who discovered that universe… Read more »
Rushmore
@ Mansoor: Please get over this ZN conditioning. In Arabic, please point me to the word that actually DOES mention “Expanding.” Surah 51:47 YUSUFALI: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the VASTNESS of pace. PICKTHAL: We have built the heaven with… Read more »
Mansoor
To Rushmore Why you quoted only three translations?Let me quote others: Surah 51:47 ” With Our power and prowess, We brought into being the universe. And indeed, We expand it (steadily)!”(Dr.Munir Munshey) “And it is We Who have built the Universe, and behold, We are steadily expanding it.”(Shabbir Ahmed) “And… Read more »
Rj3865
Brother Mansoor , I have a question for all Islamic scholars and great scientist like you , that why all of you can’t use the actual meaning of the word in Arabic quoted in any verse of Quran? Why you just try to prove science in Quran by imposing several… Read more »
roger

hah, he(afridi) asks to media why we hate Indians? well, ask your maulana’s, your cult teaches only hatred. come back home, brother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfmKZd568b8

Rushmore
@ Mansoor: Hmm, you are now depending on a Maulana from Pakistan to explain a verse from the Quran. So, the Quran by itself is difficult (for you)to explain the verse If you do not agree with the 3 of the most famous authorities on Quran and Quranic translation, then… Read more »
Mansoor
Indian Agnostic
Namaste Mansoor Bro The problem with Quranic Science is that it has too many errors.Not all can be shielded by innovative re-interpretations. For example, 1) The Heaven(which you call Universe) of Quran is a solid thingy ! it’s pieces fall from sky according to Allah 🙁 Quran 52:44 YUSUFALI: Were… Read more »
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[…] This article is in response to Agniveers article  http://agniveer.com/3902/science-zakir/ […]

Rushmore
Zakir Naik & his ilk epitomize the Stockholm syndrome. The progeny of those that were enslaved by the desert dwellers are today the flag bearers of the same faith. The standard response to this will be to claim “Hey I am not a Muslim because I was born in a… Read more »
sanatanaakki
@ Everyone …. Guys please sign this petition …. and save this saint from the clutches of our prostitute congress govt… sign this if you feel appropriate: Save the Hindu Woman Saint Sadhvi Prgya Thakur http://www.change.org/petitions/save-the-hindu-woman-saint-sadhvi-prgya-thakur-from-the-indian-government This is pure injustice. Narco-tests were administered on her four times. The reason for… Read more »
Muhammad

Ahmad bhai Please do not try to explain them they are brain washed .Inki Kaum hi gandi hai.Haram hai inko samjhana.

Rj3865
Brother mahmood , they way u explained ahmad that hinduism is haram is wat u are taught in Quran that when you are unable to defeat the truth and peace left in world , then attack him with abusive language or wirh sword .. See watever u are saying is… Read more »
hardcorehindu

WTF dude…are you on drugs? I have read all your posts and you seem to have no logic in what you write. India doesnt have scientists….? Really? Have you attended school? Do they teach science in Madrasas?

Indian Agnostic

Namaste @Muhammad

Aray mian ..tum yahaan padhe likhe logon ki jamaat mein kahaan bhatak rahe ho ?

yahaan pe aapki baat sirf isliye nahi maan li jayegi ki aap badzubaan ho ..ab aapke ghar ka dastoor har jagah to laagoo nahi ho sakta na 🙂

sanatanaakki

@ Muhmaad..

Ur going against the word of Allah again…

its ur duty to make others understand what Islam is….

and ur saying hinduo ko samjhana Haram hai??

U want to burn in hell??

even i cud be the next prophet... :)
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
@ ahmad u r a funny guy …. and i cud even call u a genius for ur ability to prove something which doesnt exist. plzzzz plzzzzz plzzzzzzz let quran be a holy book … and dont try to mix it with science otherwise people of ur faith will start… Read more »
Indian Agnostic

Namaste @even i cud be the next prophet… 🙂

and what was that question sir? [ not that i wud knw the answr , but i’ll try to co-discover along with you]

even i cud be the next prophet... :)
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
@indian agnostic my query was abt the concept construction and destruction of universe in both vedas and quran. the reason i wanna know this is that wen i was a kid i read few books like ‘sukh sagar’ and some puran.. dont remember much abt wht i read as i… Read more »
Indian Agnostic
Namaste even i cud be the next prophet… 🙂 It is claimed that the theory of creation of the universe is found in nasadiya sukta of rig veda.(10th manadala, hymn 129) well quran’s story of creation is evident from the article itself. hope its a healthy discussion. Trust me ,… Read more »
Vajra

Namaste even i cud be the next prophet…

You can read Satyarth Prakash by Swami Dayanand in this regard, specially its 8th chapter.

thanks

AHMAD
In 31:29, Allah says, “Have you not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night?” [31:29] [also see 3:27, 22:61, 35:13, 57:6] The key word in 31:29 is “yooliju”. The root of the word “yooliju” is W-L-J. From the same root there… Read more »
Indian Agnostic
Namaste AHMAD (*your comments in italics, emphasis mine) In 31:29, Allah says, “Have you not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night?” [31:29] [also see 3:27, 22:61, 35:13, 57:6] The key word in 31:29 is “yooliju”. The root of the word… Read more »
Vajra

Namaste Brother Indian Agnostic

Still laughing at, Islam = snake bite 🙂

Seems his logic has hit the right target mistakenly 😉

Great reply!

Indian Agnostic

Namaste Brother Vajra

I hope Mr Ahmad stops falling prey to logic-deficient propagandist arguments…i sincerely do

Islam=non sense
Purushottam
Mystery of 7 layers of Atmosphere and Quran: Atmosphere does not have distinctly different layers like peels of onions. Whole atmosphere is one and same. However properties vary gradually with distance and hence different zones of atmosphere are conceptualized for ease of understanding. So 7 or 5 or whatever number… Read more »
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
even i cud be the next prophet... :)

hi everyone
i wud like to know wht the vedas and quran say abt creation and destruction of universe……… wrt science ofcourse…………..

KalBhairav

@EICBTNP:

I tracked down a couple of websites for you.

Link1 which seems to be derived from Link 2.

I havent studied the details there myself but hopefully I think you can get some of your queries answered.

even i cud be the next prophet... :)
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
@ kalbhairav thanx bro…. but i already had this article.. lolzz it doesnt hav much but it was very interesting though.. it surely proves that wht vedas hav in them goes beyond the world.. it universal… infact its multiversal… so i dont know why r we even trying to prove… Read more »
KalBhairav
@EICBTNP: You wanted to know what the Vedas said about the creation/destruction of the universe, and I gave you a link that I thought dealt with that. You said you already had that link. It still does not satisfy you and now you want more “enlightenment” from me. In any… Read more »
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
@ kal bhairav… lmao.. 🙂 🙂 🙂 no man u r thinking too much…. it was really a genuine query… i believe discussions can help share eachother’s knowledge and can surely help improve our understanding as a whole…. so i aint setting u up for something bad except for a… Read more »
Mahmood
Brother why u all consider or try to relate evrything by science.If that is case then science will win and all scriptures are wrong.This is all falseness of Christianity and western religioon.Problem with hindus is they sold India to britishers and then they use bad about ISLAm.Even Zakir Naik is… Read more »
sanatanaakki

@ mahmood

God u saying that we are relating everything to science??

Open ur eyes man this is what u people claim about quran …

there is limit of bullshitting…

even i cud be the next prophet... :)
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
@ mahmood u taking me wrong Mr. it was a genuine question. not asking u bcz i wanna criticize or something .. asked so that i cud increase my knowledge and verify wht Mr zakir and others are saying abt it all. and btw this forum relates to this subjaetc… Read more »
Indian Agnostic
Namaste even i cud be the next prophet… 🙂 my appeal to all the people ( hindu or muslim is to change with time and survive otherwise nature will take its own course and destroy u. bingo! you said it! PS: Royal Mughals 2007 status update : http://ibnlive.in.com/news/inheritance-of-loss-for-last-mughals-kin/39427-3.html – rickshaw… Read more »
Maharana
@ Mahmood why do muslims write prophet muhammad (pbuh) till today. i think, it is ‘peace be upon him’. Even after such a long time, he could not get peace. ha.ha.ha. Cant Allah give him peace till today. This is real islam. Islam can give only explosion, death, rape. All… Read more »
sanatanaakki

Do u want to know i will tell u what Quran says…

i have a video…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHm2xigkBc

watch the above video and understand… about islamic concept of God word…

Mahmood

Agni veeer a filthy fellow

It is no one except Dirty Hindus who have bought such a pathetic condition to india.

Dirty fellow agniveer and his filthy team

truth seeker
Mahmood yar what problem you have? If agniveer working like Ram, Krishana, Dayanand, Guru Gobind Sing, you are protesting. He is bringing truth before us and we all should grateful to Agniveer Ji. Friend, Once leave the religion think rationally. As I have also leave many things like bowing head… Read more »
truth seeker
@Mohmad yar what problem you have? If agniveer working like Ram, Krishana, Dayanand, Guru Gobind Sing, you are protesting. He is bringing truth before us and we all should grateful to Agniveer Ji. Friend, Once leave the religion think rationally. As I have also leave many things like bowing head… Read more »
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
even i cud be the next prophet... :)

@ mahmood….
hello sir.. may i know where r u from????? u r a great debater i must say….so u mind telling more abt u so that i know who m i actually debating with and how intellectual this debate is goin to become?

Mahmood
Moreover forget Vedas,We do not have single person who can interpret them.I asked so many priest everyone has his own translation.Sometime I feel like killing then all. Vedas are true books of confusion.Nothing clear,pure bulls shit men. Moreover more then 3000 scriptures which no one can read ans still you… Read more »
Mahmood
Shameles feellow agniveer and team. It is written in quran that idol worhsippers will never understand and will go to hell.I can feel that why. Basically Hindu genes are like that.Without sword they do not understand.You all are samheless creatures and this is not filthy language. When ur own people… Read more »
identity crisis

@Mahmud

Tu mere dil ka baat cheen liya. All sains and prophets, like buddha and mahavir taught us to be cowads, and not to fight. And we should ollow real dharma like ram fought with ravana and krishna fought the mahabharata.

Learning from you,

Jai shri ram

Indian Agnostic

Mahmood ..enough of your comedy!

if you debate in the forum like you do at your home..you may get banned. [did you get the satire?]

Dharmic Nabel laureates in Science

1.Hargobind Khorana
2.Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
3.Venkatraman ‘Venki’ Ramakrishnan
4.Sir Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman

Islamic Nobel Laureates in science
1. Ahmed Zewail

This site is not your home ..so communicate respectfully

Mahmood
Boss forget it,India is sold to britihsers by you Hindus and no one else,Well in home also we say truth not liars like you hindus who have sold their motherland to britishers and till date selling it to sonia.See how enuch hindus are.they know Sonia is killing them still not… Read more »
Vik
@Mahmood And people like you sold Pakistan to Talibanis and Laskhkar e Taibaa, this is why pakistanis are crying everyday now asking India to help them from the Taliban rule. We all know how big cowards Moghals and arab invaders were, so no need to talk about hindus, first look… Read more »
sanatanaakki

Very well said vik bhai….

Any person with eagerness to understand reality will understand that ISLAM is nothing but terrorist manual….

Hard for madarsa qualified people to understand tough..

Islam=non sense

I would like to post a video of a scientist who talked about science in the Quran.Can i post it?bcoz i have been posting too many videos here,i just want truth be told to these muslim fools.Agniveerji can i post the video here

sanatanaakki

Plz do post it … we want to see more and more…

We are truth seekers here…

Agniveer ji only bans people who talk rubbish like Mahmood….

sarang

namaste brothers,
is astrology derived from vedas? How authentic is horoscope? Is it true?

Mahmood

Sarang

Please do read Vedas for Astrology and I assure for whole life you will keep on scratching your head.Simple answer if astrology is true then why Hindus could not save them from attacks and assault.They should have predicted it.

Again bull shit astrology.

Dirty and filthy fellow agniveer

Mahmood
Shameless fellow agniveer and team,See modern science know 5 layers and for rest two you need to go back to Holy Quran. It is the book of Miracles.Not like Krishna and Radha,Seductive duo or Ram Sita another seductive duo. Quran can get all other creeds,religions out of gutter else no… Read more »
Aditya

You are a typical muslim who abuses in a losing debate.Put yourself in a neutral position and see which makes more sense. You are biased and you just want to prove your point

Vajra

Namaste Mahamoodh 🙂

———–Pray to Allah AND HIS PROPHET (PBUH)———–

Finally Islamic Tauheed is exposed! Pray to a pedophile in addition to Allah 🙂

Can you tell me one thing Mahamoodh? Is Allah male or female?

Mahmood

AllAh is omnipresent,omniscient and onmipotetent not male,female etc.Just pure bliss

sanatanaakki

Allah has definite shape coz he is sitting on his thrown above in heaven…

and he made Adam by his own two hands….?

its all written in quran… ..

Are u saying quran says wrong?

Indian Agnostic
Namaste Mahmood with every rebuttal , you are getting more and more abusive..which is good ..at least you know now that there is indeed some problem with “science” of the quran 🙂 See modern science know 5 layers and for rest two you need to go back to Holy Quran.… Read more »
KalBhairav

@Mahmood:

Chill bro. We are like the interviewers in this video while you are behaving like the interviewee.

@Others:

Look at this Madrassa-trained genius calling Quran the book of miracles in one paragraph and asking us to read the same for more science. 🙂

truth seeker
@ even i cud be the next prophet… but you need to these thing to be prophet kill the animals, rape with woman, marry with 6 year old girl & marry with the woman age of your mother, declare yourself prophet, declare God a dependent of prophet. Only than you… Read more »
truth seeker
Namaste Brother, Kuran is = Blind Faith. If you shows sun to follower of Kuran he will call it moon because Kuran say so.It is just for example. If he start asking question himself logically he will feel shameful about himself because he was on wrong track till know. That… Read more »
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
even i cud be the next prophet... :)
well i dont see many muslim brothers here.. is that bczz they too realize that they have not much to speak about except some links to videos and articles of other mortal humans….??? or is it bcz they dont understand science much……???? whatever the case might be… the fact remains… Read more »
sds
Dear Muslims In one of his video Dr Naik claims Kabaa is in Center of Earth and circle have only one center. In another video he claims earth is like OSTRICH EGG. How could both be possible. If Earth is like circle, Quran claims of Ostrich egg shape is wrong,… Read more »
Vajra

Nice one Brother sds!

Islam=non sense
I guess Muslims are living in a fantasy world.They think Quran is a book of Science? ignorant fools.But still all the discoveries were made by infidels.These fools are memorizing and reading the same book for 1400 years,i just wonder how come they did not find any Science then.No where in… Read more »
mansoor
To Everyone Dr. Zahlool Al-Najjar is a great Muslim Geologist and Scientist who wrote many books, publications, and 10s of journals and reports proving many of the Noble Quranic Geological and Scientific Claims to be accurate through Modern Science and Technologies. He is well known in the Scientists community of… Read more »
Vajra
Brother mansoor You have failed to understand the essence of the article completely 🙁 Article deals with ZAKIR’S claims of science in Quran and not QURANIC claims about science. We know Quran does not claim anywhere to have science. So instead of suggesting us the links of scientists, please go… Read more »
KalBhairav
@mansoor: If Quran is so scientific, why didnt Muslims invade medieval Europe forcing the Europeans to believe in a spherical earth when they were under the wrong impression that the earth was flat in the 12-13th century? Why stupidly try to impose Mohammed on them, when the invasion could have… Read more »
Mansoor

For sake of argument,if early muslims thought the earth was flat,so what?That belief wouldnot reflect what Quran say.

Quran is not a book of science.it is a book of signs.The scientific facts have been stated as supporting arguments and these arguments are flawless.

Vajra

Namaste Brother Mansoor

So what about the article? How earth is like carpet? 🙂

Mahmood

Do read these and then reply.What you have put is crap.

http://www.harunyahya.com/en.m_download_list.php

Vajra

Mahmood
Do you possess something of your own? Pasting the links from like minded idiots is all what you do

Indian Agnostic

Namaste Mahmood

It’s you who needs to read this against harun yahya crap

http://www.answering-islam.net/authors/katz/rebuttals/yahya.html

enjoy!

by the way ..you couldn’t build up an argument reading yahya’s stuff..so its futile to read that guy any ways

Mahmood
Please visit http://www.harunyahya.com/ Your article is highly illogical.Seven layers above earth and inside refers to 7 layer of atmosphere and 7 layers inside earth. You all seem to lack basic science of 10th standard.Pity on You.May u all read Quran with you parents and come out of gutter of Hindusim.… Read more »
saroj
FOOL THERE ARE 5 ATMOSPHERICAL LAYERS: Troposphere The troposphere starts at the Earth’s surface and extends to about 15 kilometers (9 miles) high. This part of the atmosphere is the most dense. As you climb higher in this layer, the temperature drops from about 17 to -52 degrees Celsius. Almost… Read more »
Vajra
Mahmood Today I got to know that Allah sits on exosphere which is coincidentally the seventh heaven of scientist Mahmood 🙂 And Brother IA pointed out another invention from this Madarsa scientist that the moon is inside the earth’s atmosphere 🙂 Good one Brother IA! @Mahmood This is the first… Read more »
Indian Agnostic
Namaste Mahmood Seven layers above earth and inside refers to 7 layer of atmosphere and 7 layers inside earth. Lolzzzzzzzzzzz ! you seem to be a madarsa trained science blind badmouthing moron. Didn’t you read this verse of the Quran ? Quran 71:15-16 : “‘See ye not how Allah has… Read more »
Mahomood
Quran 71:15-16 : “‘See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?” Yes If you see we have seven layers which modern science proves in atmosphere and Moon looks… Read more »
saviour
@Mahmood Brother Kaaba is also form of idol worshipping. “Circumambulating the Kaaba is a symbolic act of worship, whose wisdom may be hidden from some. It indicates the believer’s utter submission to Almighty Allah alone. The pilgrims go to Hajj in response to the divine order that Prophet Ibrahim or… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste Mahomood (Mahamoodh :)) You should first sort out the issue with another Islamic scientist Mansoor who has opposite view than yours on this verse. He says- “””””” You are appealing to weak translation. In the Arabic text, “midst” is not there.The translator has put his own words in the… Read more »
Islam=non sense

Your bullshit miracle is refuted by a ex muslim in the video i posted below.Typical low mentality of Muslims.False god,stupid religion and a pedo prophet.Shame on you.Muslims themselves are divided by heart.sunnies,shias,ahmadiyas.

mansoor
To Indian Agnostic Indian Agnostic said: Quran 71:15-16 : “‘See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?” This verse says that moon is in the midst of these… Read more »
Ram
I confused with muslims claim that Quran is a scientific and has got astrological evidences in that. If so then why you are celebrating Ramdan on different months i.e it rotates the whole year, my question is that if your astrology is so strong then why don’t it celebrated on… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste mansoor ———– You are appealing to weak translation.———– 1. So it is proven that Zakir Naik uses false translations to show science and Yusuf Ali is not the authentic translation which Zakir uses all the time. Will you please condemn Zakir Naik for his falsehood and hidden agenda of… Read more »
Mansoor
To Vajra Response to your point no 1 Translation is just a human work and human work may contain some mistakes.These mistakes can be removed with a help of using original source that is Quran.So if there are some mistakes in a translation then we should not doubt the intention… Read more »
Vajra

Mansoor
Replied above

Mansoor
To Vajra Response to your point no 1 Translation is just a human work and human work may contain some mistakes.These mistakes can be removed with a help of using original source that is Quran.So if there are some mistakes in a translation then we should not doubt the intention… Read more »
Vajra
Brother Mansoor ———–Translation is just a human work and human work may contain some mistakes.———- Exactly! So you agree that Allah made mistake while giving His final and perfect revelation only in Arabic leaving rest of the others (non Arabs) at the mercy of human works (translations) which can have… Read more »
Sameer

Nice work Indian agnostic brother

Islam=non sense
Your Islamic miracles are hilarious even for a 3 year old kid.I would rather believe in mythological fairy tales then your pedophile prophet who married his own daughter in law,had concubines and a mass murderer.I have read the Quran,why do i want my parents to learn that disgusting hate and… Read more »
learner to faith

rocking video !! what has zakir fans to say on this !! really awesome video .. must watch!!

Rj3865

@learner to faith
Can you please tell me wats awesome in it , this video simply shows corruption nothing else ..

sanatanaakki

This video is awesome.!!

NO NOTHING….

Rj3865
@ritesh swami This video you posted is simply based on corruption and has nothing to do with hinduism , nd anyhow you will not even get these in more number as compared to those of muslims and specially their terrorist attacks . Brother will you please clear your concept that… Read more »
roger

@islam=nonsense

thnx for sharing this excellent video.

@sameer.

‘IDIOT’s RESEARCH FOUNDATION'(IRF)

haha…good one bro

Sameer

IDIOT’s RESEARCH FOUNDATION AKA IRF.NET have come with new idiotic research to rape science.

Vik

@Sameer

Namaste Sameer

“IDIOT’s RESEARCH FOUNDATION”

excellent brother, this trully describes them, I cannot stop laughing, thanks for giving me a good laugh today.

Vajra

Surprised to see no Islamic scientist till now on the page 🙁

indianagnostic

Lolz ..No car manufacturer around it seems 😉

sanatanaakki

do u write all this articles…..can i ask u Mahindra Pal Arya ji also help in it ?

JAI HIND…

Indian Agnostic

Namaste Brother Sanatanakki

Pandit Ji is doing a great service indeed.Like you , i also am hoping if i can see any of his freshly recorded debates.hope he finds the time from his busy schedule

Best regards

Arya Musafir

@Sanatanaakki

Namaste Brother

We have many scholars from different fields such as Vedas, philosophy, science, Islam etc and Shri Mahendra Pal Arya is one of the Islamic experts who contributes in the ground level activities rather than content generation. We have separate team of authors which only concentrates on writing.

Dhanyawad

sanatanaakki

@ Arya Musafir.

Dhanyawad for replying…

roger

good work brother Indian Agnostic.

indianagnostic

Namaste Roger Bro

TY..This time round brother Vajra is the silent contributor.

Vik

Great Work brother Indian Agnostic!! and thanks Agniveer Admin for posting such greatness!!

Now, Naik will get trapped especially by the Dahaha Duhya argument.

If any muslim reasons with you besides showing your good work, show them this video as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bOVZDWEL8o

Sameer

Bro Vik Great Video now what will Zakir Naiks Chamchas have to say about this.

Vik

@Sameer

Namaste Brother Sameer

Zakir’s chamchas and Zakir himself will say the same old thing that they always been saying which is “brathdar, you aar quoting out of context”

Indian Agnostic
Namaste Sameer Bro, going by the responses of mansoor and mahmood bro, it seems that they will cling to untruth even when it is thoroughly exposed 🙁 mahmood believes that the moon is situated in one of the 7 atmospheric layers of the earth , while mahmood bro thinks that… Read more »
Indian Agnostic

Great Video Brother Vik!

truth seeker
Namaste brother I am frustrate by reading the claim of Jakir Naik. Mujhe lagata hai Issse bada Gadha Duniya me koi Nahi Hai. He is shameless person. How can he bring good for people. Jakir Naik does not try to understand it is 21th century, people are educated think with… Read more »
sanatanaakki

I read the whole article …. Its brilliant….

I love u Agniveer.com

JAI HIND!!

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