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Test of secularism

Agniveer Research
By Agniveer Research
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

This entry is part [part not set] of 19 in the series Zakir Naik Exposed

Zakir Naik Exposed

India is a secular country and so are most of the countries in the western world. Indeed, secularism is one of the noblest concepts of humanity. True secularism means no policy, system, process or mindset shall be influenced by any cult or notions about religion. The entire concept of secularism is based on the precept of ‘communal harmony’.

Gandhi Ji was a great supporter of ‘communal harmony’. He plagiarised the Hindu Bhajan (prayer) ‘Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram.. Ganga Tulsi Shaligram’ by Shri Lakshman Acharya to create a secular version ‘Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram.. Ishwar Allah Tero Naam’ which means Ishwar and Allah are same. The communally harmonious and secular people of his era aka Hindus used to sing this plagiarised yet melodious song in all temples, and the trend continues till today. I still recall how we grew up singing this song in school and all public gatherings.

Hindu forces like Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), Agniveer and Arya Samaj are often alleged to be fanatic, rightist and hell-bent on destroying ‘communal harmony’. The intelligentsia of India and world is thoroughly worried about the growth of these ‘fundamentalist’ forces in recent times and how these forces are disrupting peace and harmony in the subcontinent.

Whenever there is a terrorist attack, these ‘fundamentalist’ forces would term it as Islamic terror, and then the secular media has to spend lots of efforts and energies to explain that terrorism has no religion! It has to come up with videos and films of nice Muslims and bad Hindus to compensate for the wrong notions regarding Muslims. It has to blow out of proportion isolated cases like some Gorakshaks (cow-protectors) beating ‘innocent’ cow-butchers in areas where cow-slaughter is a rampant practice despite the ban. And then the entire state machinery gears up to catch hold of some rightist forces allegedly behind these beatings.

It’s a different matter that some of the larger terrorist attacks are not big enough to awaken the same machinery of state, and we keep waiting for terrorists’ sentence for ages. The summary notion that the intellectuals of this country (India) in particular have is that Hindus have become very fundamentalist. They tend to blame all Muslims and especially the clergy for all the terrorism that is happening internationally. It is just a matter of coincidence and conspiracy of Western media that most terrorists, terrorist groups or Somalian pirates who come in the limelight happen to be Muslims. But the reality is that Hindu terrorism is even more dangerous! And hence curbing Hindu terrorism should be number one priority.

So I propose a very practical solution for all Hindus and Muslims to enhance communal harmony and truly promote secularism and peace. I am inspired by Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi to offer this solution. Those who abide by this solution are true secularists, and those who refuse to accept it are the real fundamentalists. Because all I offer is an extension of the Gandhian Ishwar Allah Tero Naam. Gandhi made temples and Hindus sing Ishwar Allah Tero Naam. After his ‘secular’ acts, number of Hindus visiting Ajmer Sharif, Nizamuddin and Sufi shrines shot up like anything. The trend became so popular that today, number of Hindus visiting Ajmer Sharif is more than Muslims! And this is despite the fact that Moinuddin Chisty – the Fakir of Ajmer Sharif was the same person who allegedly spied for Muhammad Ghori in India and invited him to attack, loot, rape and destroy India in name of Allah and Islam (as per biographies promoted by many Khadims of Ajmer Sharif). All happens despite Chisty getting Hindu king killed, raping his minor daughters and then taking them away as sex-slaves under the garb of marriage. All this is boasted as miracle of Allah and Chisty by Ajmer Shrine officials even today. Official website of Ajmer Sharif Dargah was forced to remove these ‘glorious’ admissions in name of miracles after author of this book exposed their hatred for Hindus in public (Readers are recommended to read Naked Mughals and Indian Muslims – two books by Agniveer for more details)

So, as evident, Hindus have gone too far in observing secularism proposed by Gandhi Ji. Now is the turn for Islam and true Muslims to reciprocate which they haven’t done till date. Here is the test for Islam on secularism. If Islam and true Muslims pass this test, it will prove beyond doubts that Islam means peace :

• Like Hindus offer prayers in Muslim shrines, let mosques recite verses from Geeta and Vedas. Let Muslims come for Hanuman Aarti every Tuesday.

• Like secular Hindus believe all paths lead to same God, let all mosques and Muslims announce through loudspeakers that ‘Ishwar and Allah are same, Ram and Rahim are same, Geeta and Quran are same, Kashi and Kaba are same.’

• Like Hindus offer Ganesh Pandals every year to Muslims for offering Namaz, let Muslims open mosques to Hindus for Ganesh Puja in return. Let there be Yajna/Havan in mosques and Namaz in temples at the same time.

To start the process, let the leading mosques like Jama Masjid and Sufi shrines like Ajmer and Nizamuddin come out for this initiative. Agniveer has already discussed this with leading temples of India. No Muslim will be stopped from performing Puja Archana in temples. Many temples have already put idols of Sufi saint Sai Baba. Let the Muslims now come up with a list of mosques that are ready to install Ganesha’s idol and host Ganesh Puja. Also,

• Agniveer is ready to put ‘Ishwar and Allah are same, Ram and Rahim are same, Kashi and Kaba are same’ prominently on its websites, books, and everywhere else. Let us see if big Islamic organisations like Islamic Research Foundation (IRF), Jama Masjid, Ajmer Sharif, Taliban and other mosques across the world also do the same.

• Agniveer is ready to come on stage and bring prominent Hindu leaders who would announce this on stage. Let us see if Zakir Naik, Imam Bukhari and other Islamic scholars also announce this on stage.

• Agniveer is ready to pronounce and also have other Hindu scholars pronounce that: ‘Hindu or non-Hindu, all good people will achieve Swarg/Heaven’. Let us see Zakir Naik, Imam Bukhari, Deobandis and other Islamic scholars also proclaim that ‘Muslim or non-Muslim, all good people will achieve Paradise or Jannat’. Let them declare that all noble Hindus, Jews, Christians, Pagans, atheists etc will also get Jannat along with good Muslims.

Let us now see who really wants communal harmony. Any individual or organisation that refuses to agree to above MUST be banned for being fundamentalist in the interest of communal harmony.

If Zakir Naik, Bukhari and other representatives of Islam refuse to agree to above and Hindus continue to sing ‘Ishwar Allah Tero Naam’, then there would be no community more foolish than Hindus. Because one who continues to offer milk to a cobra and willingly puts it over his head, believing it to be a spiritual Shesh Naag, deserves to be destroyed.

Let Zakir Naik and other Islamists prove they are not ‘Aasteen ke Saanp’ through their actions.

Mohandas Gandhi could convince ONLY the Hindus to sing ‘Ishwar Allah Tero Naam’ in temples, and they continue to sing till today. Let this glorious song now reverberate in mosques and bring true communal harmony in the country and the world. But if representatives of Islam refuse to pass the above test of secularism, this fanatic brand of Islamism will continue to be a threat.

True Muslims must immediately do the needful. This is the chance to look, sound, and be different from ISIS brand of Islam. Preach that Hinduism and Islam are equally good and truthful.

Non-Muslims must observe carefully. One supporting, declaring and preaching above equality must be respected and protected. But those refusing this equality and peace on any grounds must be humiliated. And there is need of being extra cautious while dealing with such people. These are the ones that form reservoir of Islamic terror. And secondly, if you find such people in abundance, make sure you don’t fall prey to the trap of secularism. Do whatever possible under law of the land to neutralise the threat of ISIS brand of Islam by uniting peaceful forces and supporting law enforcement agencies.

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/3897/test-of-secularism-hi/

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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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  4. There are 25% good muslims among the world, but they maintain silence over the evil practices being done by others from their community in the name of their religion.
    The next 25% muslims just take birth, live their life in ignorance and die without any serious concerns about God and faith.
    The other 25% act like good muslims in public life (so called intellectuals and celebrities), maintain friendly relations with Kafirs, try to lure them into their faith with their money / muscle power and/or in the name of love / lust etc, but do practice and give their hidden support to the agenda prescribed in their criminal manual.
    The last 25% openly behave like religious radicals / soldiers by declaring war on kafirs, and never feel sorry for attacking, torchoring, killing, robbing, abducting, raping the females belong to people of other faiths etc. They feel that, they are being licenced religiously to do such acts and propogate the same for others among their faith. This lot is dominating, influencing, suppressing and dictating the terms to other 75% lot.
    Except a few, most of the governments across the world, political parties, other organisations either maintaing silence about this threat due to fear of their terror attacks or giving open or hidden support in all possible ways to them when it is economically / politically / strategically benefiting them.
    Let us initiate a discussion to educate and influence the above lots appropriately to guide them towards the right / peaceful direction.

  6. HELL WITH SECULARISM IT ONLY MEANS JOB LOSS, SLAVERY TO HINDUS.

    A Muslim journalist himself has exposed the mentality of Muslims the author of the book “BLACK FRIDAY” who is a Muslim Journalist himself has exposed that it was the MUSLIMS WOMANS who told Dawood to kill innocent Hindus. Kashmirs pandits were butchered by Kashmiri Muslims not a single Mullah or Imam of India condemned it . In Pakistan Karachi (Sind) a Hindu boy named Dinesh drank water from Masjid tap for that whole Hindus of that area were slaughtered this will be our future in India if we continue to lick secularism in India

    The PARENTS who lost their daughters to LOVE JIHAD in INDIA and ABROAD should give financial assistance to ARYA SAMAJ, RSS, AND VHP and strengthen their cause of HINDUISM.

    • Send us her contact details through Contact page. We have saved many women from Love Jehad and shall ensure that come what may happen, she will not be a victim of Love Jehad.

  8. Fantastic Post brother .. Continue this great work.. Many foreign countries like UK and other Europian countries have banned Zakkir naik now its time for Bharat to throw out this trash in the Bay of Bengal …

  9. Agni your test for secularism is not complete.

    In most of the mosques of Pakistan and Bangladesh cows are culled and the meat is served to people. Let’s see how’s many temples in India permit cow slaughter in their premises. If these temples do not permit such acts then even they are not secular as per your definition.

    Secondly, a truly secular country does not recognize religions, hence it should ban any organized conversion movements and groups. If any state allows organized conversion then that State is recognizing religions, which is anti thesis of secular state. However, if a person is insipred by life of Jesus Christ or tenants of Islam, Buddhism etc on his own, then the secular state should give him freedom to practice his or her religion. This process is not to be confused with organized conversion.

    Lastly, India is not a secular state. It is a opportunistic state. Perhaps France is the closest state that comes to true secularism.

    Van

    • @Van
      Do you know what are you writing? If in mosques, cow is slaughtered, which hearts hindu sentiments, how is it equivalent to the cow slaughtering in a temple, which is again an act against hindus? Dare to think pigs being slaughtered in mosques and then their flesh being distributed among people, that will make this secular test complete.

  10. Hello Agniveer,

    It is a commendable effort of yours. To tell you the truth, no one is ever going to accept this challenge as no religion is as great and as tolerant as Hinduism.

    Let us do something concrete in the real world.

  11. DOES HUMAN BEING EXIST IN SUN, MOON & OTHER PLANETS ? YES ! According to
    Sawami Dayanand, the founder of Arya Samaj writes in his book ‘Satyarth Prakash’ Ch. No. 8 that HUMAN BEING EXIST IN SUN, MOON & OTHER PLANETS !!!???

    • @Agnichkr
      Quran [13:15]-“Whatever beings there are in the heavens and the earth do prostrate themselves to Allah – with good-will or in spite of themselves: so do their shadows in the morning and evenings”

      Who are these beings in heavens? Where are these heavens? Where do angels live? Where is throne of Allah? Where does Satan made up of fire live? Where did the flying donkey of Muhammad come from? Answer these first before questioning anything.

      Let the wise read the whole topic from Satyarth Prakash and let them decide what is actually written there.

  12. Muslims have been traped very badly in this challenge. Bravo dear Agniveer ji.

    But sorry muslims are very adament and brainwashed ppl because of Quran’s teachings. They bring down the debate to the lowest level and then beat you by thier experience.

    • Dear Ashwini,
      I think you are far beyond from real truth,why we are here and what will happen after death,i think you should know ,right?Please save yourself ,i am not saying you should read only quran,but you should read all and decide where you have to go,and its not mean that i want you to make companion to increase the population of muslims but to save yourself from helfire,and one more thing,shaitan challenged god that i will let them go with me in helfire,god said try your best,so he have full authority to do anything,and he is doing his best,but you are responsible for yourself and all these others posted here it is just senceless and too far from truth.The actual why we born.so try your best to save yourself.If you want to know about islam dont see on muslims but see the scriptures.and keep aim on truth,then for sure you will search truth.just traight forwared.bye bye.i think you are maharashtrian.

    • Ashwini ..you hit it on the head

      look at Azim bro and his blind belief

      1. He believes ina God that does not have any sense of Justice ! ..This God punishes mankind for all times to come by giving full freedom to Satan to lead them astray ….never does it occur to such minds that how can a JUST God punish mankind and reward Satan for the wrongs which Satan did!!!!!

      2. He blindly believes that his God is omnipresent and he also believes in Heaven and hell …..never does it occur to his indoctrinated mind that if Heaven and Hell are TRUE and also if god is OMNIPRESENT ..then the GOD OF QURAN MUST ALSO BE PRESENT IN HELL !!!

      3.He also is ignorant of his own religion which states that the fate of every human being is already written in Lohe Mehfooz by his God ..that means nobody has freewill ..and if nobody has freewil then how can the God of quran punish people to hell when he has already written their fayte in his sadistic book !!

      God only knows when blind belief will give way to rationality as a rule rather than an exception 🙁

  13. I asked one of my muslim friends named Iqubal kaul who told me that his great grant father had converted to islam in Kashmir.———-Iqubal, dont you feelthat your grant grant fathers or mothers
    used to celeberate Diwaali,Shivratri and Krisn janamashtami and havans ? This is the answer he gave. Dear Ashwani ji I miss my ancesters and thier cultur still calls me. Sometimes I fluter and ask my father what were the circumstances under which my great grantfather had to convert to islam? My father could reply only that he must have wanted to leave the jahilya (darkness).
    After some time I gave him satyaprakash in English .He read it and apriciatedit mildly.And five seven days after that he was not seen and didnt meet me.
    What I mean is that the hard kavach has started cracking now from within. We non-muslims shout like Agniveer ( not like fake Agnivesh) go on educating muslims and reminding them thier glorious past of Arya and vedas. Perhaps India may become a HINDU land one day.

  14. Dear Agniveer ji,

    Pranam,

    i whole heartedly appreciate yours effort in this regard, I express my deep sense of gratitude and sincere thanks personally and also on behalf of all the followers of Glorious Vedic Religion, the Great Sanathana Dharma. Thanking you once again, you have certainly possessed with Tejus of “Agni” and Rajasic nature as “Veer”. May all Hindus possess this noble character and become true Aryans the Great “Krunvantu Vishwamaryam”.

  16. http://www.quranenglish.com/hadith/Sahih_Bukhari/006.htm this is the example of sexual urge of PROPHET OF ISLAM………. then what can u expect from their followers Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:

    Narrated ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:

    (on the authority of his father) ‘Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her.” ‘Aisha added, “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.” SAHIH AL BUKHARi

  17. Once a HINDU GUY saved a little boy from ferocious Mad Dog by killing it. One Media Guy who saw this praised him and said if your are a Muslim Guy tomorrow’s newspaper I will write a Kind Muslim saved a Boy from a mad dog, he said he is not a Muslim then media person asked if your are not a Muslim then you must be a christian then I will write a Brave Christian saved a little Boy from Mad dog but the Guy then said to the Media Person that he is neither Muslim or Christian but a HINDU. The media person said nothing and went away and next day’s newspaper he wrote Hindu Fanatic Kills a poor little dog. THIS IS THE REAL ATTITUDE OF OUR SICKULAR MEDIA

  18. Mughalistan (or Mughalstan) is the name of an independent homeland proposed for the Muslims of India. This Mughal-Muslim state in the Indian subcontinent will include all of North India and Eastern India, and will be formed by merging Pakistan and Bangladesh through a large corridor of land running across the Indo-Gangetic plain, the heartland of India. This Mughalistan corridor will comprise Muslim-majority areas of Northern India and eastern India that will be partitioned for the second time in history.
    The comprehensive plan for a second partition of India was first developed by the Mughalstan Research Institute (MRI) of Jahangir Nagar University (Bangladesh) under the patronage of the two intelligence agencies, Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and Bangladesh’s Director General of Forces Intelligence, DGFI. The “Mughalistan Reaserch Institute of Bangladesh” has released a map where a Muslim corridor named “Mughalistan” connects Pakistan and Bangladesh via India.
    The Pakistani Punjabi-dominated ISI’s influence on MRI is evident even in the Punjabi-centric pronunciation of the word ‘Mughalstan’ (without the “i”), instead of the typical Urdu pronunciation (Mughalistan). Islamic Jihadis in India have been well-armed and well-funded by the neighbouring Islamic regimes, as part of Operation Topac – the late Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq’s grandiose plot to balkanize India.

    Not surprisingly, Osama Bin Laden has thrown his support behind the concept and creation of this Greater Pakistan to “liberate” the Muslims of India from the Hindus. The Mumbai underworld (led by Karachi-based don Dawood Ibrahim who executed the gruesome 1993 Mumbai bombings), Jamaat-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen have declared their unified support for creating this undivided Islamic nation in the Indian subcontinent. The Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Indian Mujahideen are working in tandem with the aforementioned organizations to waged Jihad against the Hindus of India.

    It is important to note that in its “holy war” against India, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has openly declared Hindus to be the “enemies of Islam” who should all be converted or killed. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba group has repeatedly claimed through its journals and websites that its main aim is to destroy the Indian republic and to annihilate Hinduism. Jaish-e-Mohammed has vowed to “liberate” not just Kashmir, but also to hoist the Islamic flag atop the historic Red Fort after capturing New Delhi and the rest of India.

    SIMI has championed the “liberation of India through Islam” and aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat (Islamic Caliphate), emphasis on the Muslim Ummah (Islamic) and the waging of Jihad on the Indian state, secularism, democracy and nationalism – the basic keystones of the Indian Constitution – as these concepts are antithetical to Islam. The Indian Mujahideen have sent several emails claiming responsibility for several bombings in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad (in Uttar Pradesh), Bangalore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and New Delhi in 2007 and 2008. The emails refer to notorious Islamic conquerors of India (Mohammed bin Qasim, Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmud Ghaznawi) as their role-models, refer to Hindu blood as “blood to be the cheapest of all mankind” and taunt Hindus that their “[Hindu] history is full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult [at the hands of Islamic conquerors]“.

    The Indian Mujahideen’s emails warn the Hindus to “Accept Islam and save yourselves” and or else face a horrible fate: – “Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our [Muslim] hands?”

  19. MUSLIMS have been given separate country then why are they allowed to live in Hindustan. Even in India Muslim Majority areas like Kashmir and christian majority areas like Nagaland and Mizoram Hindus cannot buy land, so why are Muslims allowed in Hindu Majority areas, and why are they allowed to buy land here. Along with Kashmir these Muslims should be chased out of our country.

    • @Damini

      It’s not the common muslims (apart from those at J&K) who want all of these by themselves ..its a brand of Islam that forces them to become anti to their own national good ..because that brand of islam does not believe in democracy pr nationhood ..they have no respect for the motherland

      The indian christian missions are not that violent as are the foreign funded missons that operate in tribal areas and north east (and some parts of goa)

      The government is dumb when it does not understand what Mehbboba Mufti is talking about ias reagrds kashmir ..what the government does not understand(or is hiding) is that the sunni cleric gilani wants to establish Nizam-e-Mustafa in J&K and that is why they don;t want to be associated with India which is a dar-ul-harb(nation not fit for islam and by that virtue an enemy of islam)

      These kasmiris were forcefully converted to Islam in history ..ironaically ..they now stand to disintegrate their own motherland ..that is what Islam has given to us in short

      having said that ..i would ask you to see the muslims of India as Indians first (some of them don;t see themselves otherwise but they have to be sensitized intellectually and not with hatred but with reason , they are our brothers who landed up where they are because we as a nation could not collectively defend ourselves from the foreign onslaught) …and as indian they have every right on India, it’s culture and it’s core philosophy : the vedas

      I hope you will concur with me

      • Brother your thought are nice but you yourself saw these muslims are not ready to accept anything wrong in their religion even after giving facts till now muslims have not accepted 9/11 as their handiwork so how will they change, the good muslims your talking about are sufis and bohres whom most of the muslim in the islamic countries does not consider as muslims, we have no problems with these types of muslims, but now even these muslims are being influenced by wahab and deobandi ideologies and are becoming fanatics and once the demographic of our country is changed through Muslim baby boom and Bangladeshi Muslim Immigrants then we will be kicked out of our own country like Kashmir Pandits and Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh. In history Hindus and Jews are the most persecuted communities but Jews have learned their lesson but we Hindus are still sleeping waiting for our destruction.

      • Sister Damini

        i have to agree with the points you raise..but i strongly believe that we can help the educated indian muslim see through the evil Arab sponsored wahhabism that is posioning the minds of the youth.

        Islam has to reform ..just like christianity did …

        hardline Christianity was defeated by the moderates who themselves were Christians ..Now it’s the time for the Moderate Muslims to align Islam with humanity

        I admit that it’s just a beginning and you don;t find many moderate muslims opposing the obvious evils of their religion ..but i am in no doubt that there are many moderates who need to stand up and speak against their own religion for a change

        I know the path of intellectual debates and rational exposition is a long one ..but i believe that it’s the best one…because it exposes the root cause rather than getting trapped in peripheral issues

        your brother
        Indian Agnostic

  20. God as the Father, will not let one of his sons to kill the other son.

    This is wrong. If He is a true God, He will not ask to kill an innocent person who is not converting.

  21. Nationalism is haram
    by ভালবাসার বাংলাদেশ_ VALOBASHAR BANGLADESH on Saturday, September 11, 2010 at 1:52pm

    We must give up the idea of nationalism because it is exactly what is dividing us. Quran says not to be divided, and several hadeeth talk against the disease of nationalism. Is the word of Allah and the messenger of Allah not enough for us ? If we take a look at current problems of Ummah, among other problems, it is obvious that we’re divided, and therefore weak.

    The Quran Says :

    Q.3:103

    “And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur’ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided.”

    Q.3:105

    “And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment.”

    Q.6:159

    “Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do.”Q.23:52:

    “And verily this Ummah of yours IS A SINGLE UMMAH and I am your Lord and Cherisher: Therefore Fear Me (and no other).”

    Q.23:53:

    “But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: Each party rejoices in that which is with itself.”Q.30:32

    “Those who SPLIT up their religion, and become mere sects each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!”Q.42:13: “……that ye should remain steadfast in religion and make no DIVISIONS therein….. ”

    Q.49:13

    “O Men, We created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may KNOW one another (NOT THAT YOU MAY DESPISE EACH OTHER).”Q.30:22

    “And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.”Lets analyze, and see what the Quran’s verses quoted above are all about.

    The verses above are ordering and warning us not to be divided, split up, or form sects out of the religion. We’re created into so many different beautiful races, and cultures so that we KNOW each other, NOT get divided into many different countries, etc.

    Nationalism is also a way of disuniting the UMMAH. As currently seen in the world, we are over FIFTY-FIVE MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND GROWING ! There should only be ONE Muslim country (Khilafah).

    Quran CLEARLY orders us NOT to be Divided

    Quran CLEARLY orders us NOT to be divided and separated and yet we have REFUSED to do so and decided to live in over 55 countries.We are too busy being proud Palestinian, Jordanian, Yemeni, Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi, Saudi Arabian, Syrian, Pakistani, Kashmiri, Chechen, Bosnian, Algerian, Libyan, Egyptian, Moroccan, Lebanese, Bengali, etc. How many more nationalities are we going to see in the UMMAH ? How many more divisions? How many more separations ? The Kaffir are killing us one by one, as seen in the “New World Order” (Chechnya, Bosnia, Kashmir, etc). Divide-and-conquer is really working on the UMMAH. Lets all work together to put an end to this nonsense called Nationalism, a completely alien, and forbidden ideology in Islam.

    The Hadith Says:

    Resources From Messenger of Allah (saw)

    Nationalism is HARAM because the Prophet Mohammad (saw) said in the following Hadeeths:

    “Leave it. It is Rotten ” [Bukhari & Muslim] refers to all forms of Asabiyah, nationalism, racism, and patriotism.

    Grouping the Muslims on tribalistic lines is clearly forbidden. It is narrated by Abu Daud that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyah or who dies for `Asabiyah.”

    ” …People should give up their pride in nations because this is a coal from the coals of hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than a lowly worm which pushes itself through khur (feces).” [abu Dawd and Tirmidhi].

    In the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father’s genitals” Also, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, narrated by At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud, “There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust.”

    Also, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung).” [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]

    When the news reached the Messenger of Allah (saw), he (saw) said, “O Muslims, remember Allah, remember Allah. Will you act as pagans while I am present with you after Allah has guided you to Islam, and honored you thereby and made a clean break with paganism; delivered you thereby from disbelief; and made you friends thereby?” When they heard this they wept, and embraced each other. This incident clearly highlights how the Messenger of Allah (saw) rebuked any forms of tribalism.

    It is narrated by Qatada that Ibnu Abi Hathim said that in the verses quoted above Allah (swt) has ordered the Muslims to hold fast to the book of Allah, His Deen, and to his covenant, and He has forbidden the Muslims to divide amongst themselves and to dispute with each other. In another incident, Jabir ibn `Abd Allah al Ansari, narrated what happened at the watering place of al Muraysi which led to the Munafiqun stirring up the traces of `Asabiyah and seeking to destroy the unity of the Muslims. He said: “We were on a raid when one of the Muhajirun kicked one of the Ansar. The Ansar said, `O Ansar! Help me! (calling his tribe) and the Muhajir said, `O Muhajirun! Help me! (calling his tribe). The Messenger of Allah (saw) heard them and said, “Why are you stirring up something which belongs to Jahilliyah?” The Messenger of Allah (saw) did not deal with the situation only by speaking to his men, but he walked with the men all that day until nightfall, and through the night until morning and during the following day until the sun distressed them. Then he halted them, and as soon as they touched the ground, they fell asleep. He did this to distract their minds from what had transpired.

    It is transmitted by at-Tabarani and al-Hakim that in one incident some people spoke very lowly about Salman al-Farsi. They spoke of the inferiority of the Persian in relation to the Arabs, and upon hearing this the Messenger of Allah (saw) declared, “Salman is from us, the ahl al-bayt (the Prophet’s family).” This statement of the Messenger of Allah (saw) disassociates all links based on lineage and tribal considerations.

    It was also transmitted, in two different versions, by Ibn al-Mubarak in his two books, Al-Birr and As-Salah, that some disagreement occurred between Abu Dharr and Bilal and Abu Dharr said to Bilal, “You son of a black woman.” The Messenger of Allah (saw) was extremely upset by Abu Dharr’s comment, so he (saw) rebuked him by saying, “That is too much, Abu Dharr. He who has a white mother has no advantage which makes him better than the son of a black mother.” This rebuke had a profound effect on Abu Dharr, who then put his head on the ground swearing that he would not raise it until Bilal had put his foot over it. These incidents demonstrate that tribal ties have no place in Islam. Muslims are commanded to stick together and not to disassociate themselves from each other just because they come from different tribes.

    The Messenger of Allah (saw) also said, “The believers, in their love, mutual kindness, and close ties, are like one body; when any part complains, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever.” [Muslim], “The faithful are like one man: if his eyes suffers, his whole body suffers.” [Muslim], “An Arab is no better than a non-Arab. In return, a non-Arab is no better than an Arab. A red raced man was not better than a black one except in piety. Mankind are all Adam’s children and Adam was created out of clay.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of Abu Musa] Meaning that the Muslims, whether they are of Chinese, African, European or Asian origin, are one Ummah and they cannot be separated from each other.

    No tribalistic ties should ever break their unity. The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “The Faithful are to one another like [parts of] a building – each part strengthening the others” and “Every Muslim is a brother to a Muslim, neither wronging him nor allowing him to be wronged. And if anyone helps his brother in need, Allah will help him in his own need; and if anyone removes a calamity from [another] Muslim, Allah will remove from him some of the calamities of the Day of Resurrection; and if anyone shields [another] Muslim from disgrace, Allah will shield him from the disgrace on the Day of Resurrection.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of `Abd Allah ibn `Umar].

    Some people claim that the Messenger of Allah (saw) approved of nationalism because during the migration to Madinah, he (saw) said about Makkah with tears in his (saw) eyes, “You are the most beloved land of Allah to me.” However, this saying has nothing to do with nationalism, and this can be seen from the full saying which people often do not quote, “You are the most beloved land of Allah to me because you are the most beloved land of Allah to Allah.” The Messenger of Allah’s (saw) love for Makkah was based on the noble status that Allah (swt) has given to Makkah, and not because he (saw) was born there. All Muslims should have this love and affection for Makkah because it is the most beloved land in the sight of Allah (swt). After all, the Muslims pray towards Makkah and go there to perform Hajj there as it houses the Ka’ba.

    The above saying of the Messenger of Allah (saw) therefore has nothing to do with nationalism. If Rasoolillah (saw) and the Muhajireen amongst the Sahabah (ra) were tied to the homeland (of Makkah), they would have settled in Makkah after it became part of the Islamic State. Not only does Islam forbid people from grouping on nationalistic ties, but it also prohibits the establishment of more than one state, whether these states are based on nationalism or otherwise. The only state that is allowed for the Muslims is the Islamic State, which is a state that is governed exclusively by Islam. Allah (swt) addressed the Messenger (saw), “And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you” [Surah Al-Madinah (5): ayah 48] and, “And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you and do not follow their whims, and beware (be on the alert) that they may deviate you away from even some part of what Allah revealed to you.” [Surah Al-Maidah (5): ayah 49]. We must give up the idea of nationalism because it is exactly what is dividing us. Quran says not to be divided, and several hadeeth talk against the disease of nationalism. Is the word of Allah and the messenger of Allah not enough for us ? If we take a look at current problems of Ummah, among other problems, it is obvious that we’re divided, and therefore weak.The Quran Says :Q.3:103″And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur’ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh’s Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided.”Q.3:105″And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment.”Q.6:159″Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do.”Q.23:52:”And verily this Ummah of yours IS A SINGLE UMMAH and I am your Lord and Cherisher: Therefore Fear Me (and no other).”Q.23:53:”But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: Each party rejoices in that which is with itself.”Q.30:32″Those who SPLIT up their religion, and become mere sects each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!”Q.42:13: “……that ye should remain steadfast in religion and make no DIVISIONS therein….. “Q.49:13″O Men, We created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may KNOW one another (NOT THAT YOU MAY DESPISE EACH OTHER).”Q.30:22″And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.”Lets analyze, and see what the Quran’s verses quoted above are all about.The verses above are ordering and warning us not to be divided, split up, or form sects out of the religion. We’re created into so many different beautiful races, and cultures so that we KNOW each other, NOT get divided into many different countries, etc.Nationalism is also a way of disuniting the UMMAH. As currently seen in the world, we are over FIFTY-FIVE MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND GROWING ! There should only be ONE Muslim country (Khilafah). Quran CLEARLY orders us NOT to be DividedQuran CLEARLY orders us NOT to be divided and separated and yet we have REFUSED to do so and decided to live in over 55 countries.We are too busy being proud Palestinian, Jordanian, Yemeni, Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi, Saudi Arabian, Syrian, Pakistani, Kashmiri, Chechen, Bosnian, Algerian, Libyan, Egyptian, Moroccan, Lebanese, Bengali, etc. How many more nationalities are we going to see in the UMMAH ? How many more divisions? How many more separations ? The Kaffir are killing us one by one, as seen in the “New World Order” (Chechnya, Bosnia, Kashmir, etc). Divide-and-conquer is really working on the UMMAH. Lets all work together to put an end to this nonsense called Nationalism, a completely alien, and forbidden ideology in Islam. The Hadith Says:Resources From Messenger of Allah (saw)Nationalism is HARAM because the Prophet Mohammad (saw) said in the following Hadeeths:”Leave it. It is Rotten ” [Bukhari & Muslim] refers to all forms of Asabiyah, nationalism, racism, and patriotism. Grouping the Muslims on tribalistic lines is clearly forbidden. It is narrated by Abu Daud that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyah or who dies for `Asabiyah.”” …People should give up their pride in nations because this is a coal from the coals of hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than a lowly worm which pushes itself through khur (feces).” [abu Dawd and Tirmidhi].In the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father’s genitals” Also, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, narrated by At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud, “There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust.” Also, the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung).” [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]When the news reached the Messenger of Allah (saw), he (saw) said, “O Muslims, remember Allah, remember Allah. Will you act as pagans while I am present with you after Allah has guided you to Islam, and honored you thereby and made a clean break with paganism; delivered you thereby from disbelief; and made you friends thereby?” When they heard this they wept, and embraced each other. This incident clearly highlights how the Messenger of Allah (saw) rebuked any forms of tribalism. It is narrated by Qatada that Ibnu Abi Hathim said that in the verses quoted above Allah (swt) has ordered the Muslims to hold fast to the book of Allah, His Deen, and to his covenant, and He has forbidden the Muslims to divide amongst themselves and to dispute with each other. In another incident, Jabir ibn `Abd Allah al Ansari, narrated what happened at the watering place of al Muraysi which led to the Munafiqun stirring up the traces of `Asabiyah and seeking to destroy the unity of the Muslims. He said: “We were on a raid when one of the Muhajirun kicked one of the Ansar. The Ansar said, `O Ansar! Help me! (calling his tribe) and the Muhajir said, `O Muhajirun! Help me! (calling his tribe). The Messenger of Allah (saw) heard them and said, “Why are you stirring up something which belongs to Jahilliyah?” The Messenger of Allah (saw) did not deal with the situation only by speaking to his men, but he walked with the men all that day until nightfall, and through the night until morning and during the following day until the sun distressed them. Then he halted them, and as soon as they touched the ground, they fell asleep. He did this to distract their minds from what had transpired. It is transmitted by at-Tabarani and al-Hakim that in one inciden
    t some people spoke very lowly about Salman al-Farsi. They spoke of the inferiority of the Persian in relation to the Arabs, and upon hearing this the Messenger of Allah (saw) declared, “Salman is from us, the ahl al-bayt (the Prophet’s family).” This statement of the Messenger of Allah (saw) disassociates all links based on lineage and tribal considerations. It was also transmitted, in two different versions, by Ibn al-Mubarak in his two books, Al-Birr and As-Salah, that some disagreement occurred between Abu Dharr and Bilal and Abu Dharr said to Bilal, “You son of a black woman.” The Messenger of Allah (saw) was extremely upset by Abu Dharr’s comment, so he (saw) rebuked him by saying, “That is too much, Abu Dharr. He who has a white mother has no advantage which makes him better than the son of a black mother.” This rebuke had a profound effect on Abu Dharr, who then put his head on the ground swearing that he would not raise it until Bilal had put his foot over it. These incidents demonstrate that tribal ties have no place in Islam. Muslims are commanded to stick together and not to disassociate themselves from each other just because they come from different tribes. The Messenger of Allah (saw) also said, “The believers, in their love, mutual kindness, and close ties, are like one body; when any part complains, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever.” [Muslim], “The faithful are like one man: if his eyes suffers, his whole body suffers.” [Muslim], “An Arab is no better than a non-Arab. In return, a non-Arab is no better than an Arab. A red raced man was not better than a black one except in piety. Mankind are all Adam’s children and Adam was created out of clay.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of Abu Musa] Meaning that the Muslims, whether they are of Chinese, African, European or Asian origin, are one Ummah and they cannot be separated from each other. No tribalistic ties should ever break their unity. The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, “The Faithful are to one another like [parts of] a building – each part strengthening the others” and “Every Muslim is a brother to a Muslim, neither wronging him nor allowing him to be wronged. And if anyone helps his brother in need, Allah will help him in his own need; and if anyone removes a calamity from [another] Muslim, Allah will remove from him some of the calamities of the Day of Resurrection; and if anyone shields [another] Muslim from disgrace, Allah will shield him from the disgrace on the Day of Resurrection.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of `Abd Allah ibn `Umar]. Some people claim that the Messenger of Allah (saw) approved of nationalism because during the migration to Madinah, he (saw) said about Makkah with tears in his (saw) eyes, “You are the most beloved land of Allah to me.” However, this saying has nothing to do with nationalism, and this can be seen from the full saying which people often do not quote, “You are the most beloved land of Allah to me because you are the most beloved land of Allah to Allah.” The Messenger of Allah’s (saw) love for Makkah was based on the noble status that Allah (swt) has given to Makkah, and not because he (saw) was born there. All Muslims should have this love and affection for Makkah because it is the most beloved land in the sight of Allah (swt). After all, the Muslims pray towards Makkah and go there to perform Hajj there as it houses the Ka’ba. The above saying of the Messenger of Allah (saw) therefore has nothing to do with nationalism. If Rasoolillah (saw) and the Muhajireen amongst the Sahabah (ra) were tied to the homeland (of Makkah), they would have settled in Makkah after it became part of the Islamic State. Not only does Islam forbid people from grouping on nationalistic ties, but it also prohibits the establishment of more than one state, whether these states are based on nationalism or otherwise. The only state that is allowed for the Muslims is the Islamic State, which is a state that is governed exclusively by Islam. Allah (swt) addressed the Messenger (saw), “And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you” [Surah Al-Madinah (5): ayah 48] and, “And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you and do not follow their whims, and beware (be on the alert) that they may deviate you away from even some part of what Allah revealed to you.” [Surah Al-Maidah (5): ayah 49].

    a muslim is muslim not INDIAN OR PAKISTANI.

    • Thank you for your research on why Muslims should be anti-nationals

      If there’s truth to what @IslamisGreat is saying, then it becomes a valid reason for all Nations to ban Islam ASAP

      Islam’s myopia needs to be corrected ..one must believe that WHOLE HUMANITY is ONE FAMILY..and NOT THE DISGUSTING IDEA THAT ALL MUSLIMS are ONE FAMILY pitched against all NON-MUSLIMS.

      let me see if there’s any moderate Indian Muslim who stands up to condemn the myopic view of @IslamIsGreat_Threat

      • @Who thinks Islam is great
        Fear factor has big role to play in Islam! Either fear Allah or frighten non Believers! Love for Allah and non Believers, however, is too difficult for Believers of Islam.

        Please visit http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/ and give your views on the ten points given there. Its necessary to differentiate between good Muslims and fanatic supporters of terrorist Zakir Naik. Make your stand clear there and then we can continue with your discussion.

        Thanks

      • The problem with the Arab sponsored Islam is exactly this ..follows the ahadit and quran to the last literal word.

        It can only be fearful of God and spread fear everywhere else ..sounds like religion of peace ..doesn’t it?

        Brother @Arya

        I think agniveer admin must check the IP of this @IslamisGreat (threat) ..he’s has the potential and intent to be harmful to humanity ..atleast he makes no bones about his disdain for the indian government

        the moderatye muslims as usual would again remain a silent spectator …i am sadly getting convinced that ‘moderate islam’ is a sham

    • @Islam is Great Thank you for proving ISLAM IS A RELIGION WHICH SPREADS HATRED with verses from Koran and Hadith. Now what about SSS AND SSHAMA who keep ranting islam is religion of peace and blah blah now their co brother has himself EXPOSED ISLAM with cool verses Koran and Hadith.

      • @ Kafir786:

        SSS is here…I am here to clarify about Islam, Quran and Mohammed…

        Whatever you have mentioned deals nothing with it…!!! 😀 😀 😀

      • SSS so you openly accept that your are supporter of Pakistan or pakistani and you are not afraid of indian goverment cool this is what we want to know.

      • @ Sameer:

        As I said already…A Stupid Brahmin will say these things…

        I can surely tell now…you are not a true Indian too..to say this…my dear child…

      • Got your loyalties Traitor instead of fighting @islam is great pakistani who quoted from Koran and Hadith that Muslim should betray their country you are fighting your own brothers that itself shows you are a big traitor.

      • @ roger , @ Kafir786:

        You guys deleted my comments intentionally and debating as though you were too honest…!!!

        GOD knows Who is a terrorist and who is a traitor…!!!

      • @ Islamist’s Nightmare :

        I am not a terrorist…!!! as you prove your blood identity now and then…!!!

        Anyhow you are followers of Chanakya…right…then how can I expect humanity…!!!

        GOD knows everything…!!! Everyone knows a drop and not an ocean…!!!

      • @SSS

        you could have said it better like My name is Triple S and i am not a terrorist! what a joke. follower of a mass murderer is a messenger of humanity. follower of a cult which has almost 1000+ of violent history praying for peace.

        I don’t know how you have concluded that i am a follower of chankya. BTW…who is chankya? Is he a follower of yazid?

        you think that you are different from other muslims, but you are not. you all are the same. you people have two faces, when you are in minority you act like that you are secular and respect other religions. when you are in majority you start hunting non-muslims until they embrace your cult or till they die.

  22. I must thank Zakir Naik for speaking ill about my religion. I found that I didn’t have much knowledge on my own religion, while I read the Quran (Because of Naik, again.) and found a lot of disgusting things in it. So now, before criticizing Islam and its ideology, I have decided to explore my own faith. Thank you, Dr. Zakir Nalayak!

    By the way, what has been proposed in this post will never happen. This is the highest level of Shirk! The Mullahs will never hear of it!

  23. What is wrong with all the people here?
    There is nothing like moderate Muslims and extremists.
    Oh sorry there is.
    Both of them follow Quran and both of them believe in it.
    But if u have to differentiate between these two, then this might help.

    Extremists: People who follow quran word by word and cut off the heads of innocent non believers.

    Moderate Muslims: People who follow quran word by word and help hold legs of the innocent non believers while extremists are cutting the heads off.

    Shame on people who believe in Islam.I mean one has to understand the neurological disorder muslims r suffering with.

    They say Mohammad Prophet is the greatest man ever lived on this earth.But his character and his deeds in the past r worse.What is he in front of ppl like Gandhi,Mother Teressa.?
    OK maybe he might have done some charity work as per the Islamic texts but all that is gone waste when u ………

    Kill other people of other faiths(Muslims might jump in and say no he only killed for defense …but no plz verify he killed thousands of innocent ppl and not for defense.)

    He treated women like trash

    He had sex slaves, married kids like Aisha.
    Stoned people to death for adultry.But he himself laid thousands of married women ( widows of prisoners of war).
    Asked for the death of non believers and idolators.
    Invented Shariah in which human rights is a disaster.
    Said 4 men required as proof to proove rape( wat if gal was raped behind closed doors) , apostates shd be killed.
    One cannot build temples or churches in islamic state.(How intolerant yet they want mosques built in all countries.)

    Moving On

    Now check this verse.

    Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

    What the hell in this verse talks about defense?Mohammad Prophet through his holy spiritual peaceful scripture quran says wait till sacred moths r over and then attack the idolators.
    Whether u take this verse out of context or with context meaning remains the same.

    The next verse 9 : 6 says ” And if any one of the idolators seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

    Now clearly it says attack a idolater if he asks for mercy tell him abt allah and if he converts into islam safeguard him.Else do wat was told in previous verse(9:5)

    Next time if a muslim tries to act smart saying that Islam is religion of peace and that the verses from quran are taken out of context to proove islam is bad should be nuked.

    Its utter shame that a intolerant religion is so popular and we r sharing our country with ppl following it.

    B4 islam came into India there were many religions like budhism, jainism and many more but all lived in peace.But the moment Islam came.Glory of India , peace came to an end.But good that Indian heritage and its greatness is still known to ppl bcoz of site like this.I appreciate Agniveer.com.
    Its in depth analysis has proven some of the dumb myths of Hinduism as untrue.Hinduism stands 4–

    Peace—–check the history India always lived in peace till islam came.
    Tolerance– check the history and the present for we r allowing ur mosques and quran which asks for the death of nonbelievers to be printed and propogated.
    Respect For Women–U will spend ur entire life counting the number of goddesses in India.(women treated as goddess and often seen as good luck sign)

    There is no comparison between islam and hinduism….A vast difference of chalk and cheese.

    Hinduism any day wins.I am not talking abt ppl who do lunatic things in the name of hinduism but the religion it self.Hinduism is awesome tats the reason y v r still one of the most leading religions in the world.There is no conversion and advertisement.V have survived all this time and will survive for ever.Dont correct me bcoz I am not wrong

  24. Traitor Muslim League of India (Congress) betrayed the country by allowing Muslim leader Geelani and Arundati Roy to speak on Delhi on disintegrating India. Sonia and Rahul Gandhi are foreigners they nicely showed this through this episode they just here for collecting money at the cost of Indians.

    TRAITOR CONGRESS ALSO KEPT QUITE AND BLOCKED THE MEDIA OF SHOWING HOW CHINA SHOT DOWN INDIAN AIR FORCE PLANE OUR SECURITY ARE SERIOUSLY COMPROMISED BY THIS TRAITORS SEE BELOW LINK

    http://www.peopleforum.cn/redirect.php?tid=45105&goto=newpost

  25. Agniveer, pranam,
    Many consider me a fanatic/lunatic whatever. But your post is the one single thing that gives a fitting reply to anybody who makes a big show of secularism.
    jai shri ram

    • We consider you an asset for society. But you need to understand the dynamics and strike where it rightly deserves. Fight not for venting frustration but to seek solutions. Do not what makes you satisfied but what creates impact.

      The energy in you is impressive, but it needs direction. I hope you would seek to look into this advise of your elder brother.

    • Hi Hindu Militant I also follow u on times of India,U r quiet funny I need to tell u.u keep following debates between muslims and Hindus in times of India and then suddenly bombard muslims with single liners.U r a true fun to watch keep up the good job.ha ha ha bro.

  26. @agniveer, dharma thug,
    Pranaam.
    Actually, I understand what you are doing, but according to me it is POINTLESS. Everybody looks at the whole world from his own perspective. I know muslims, they are normal people like us, but when it comes to religion and politics they are absolutely different from rest of humanity. They are like programmed robots, parroting what is in the koran. No independent thought. YOu point out their fallacies, they say, ” it is written in koran, that kaffirs will have closed hearts, etc” so, basically person with closed heart will think others to be same. So, I gave up on intellectual debate. POINTLESS. eg:- hardly any muslim knows how prophet mohammed died a slow and painful death. they think it was a natural death.
    second is beating about the bush. muslims are past masters at deception. taqiyya they call it.
    Third and most importantly, they actually think they can fight 10 (ten) kaffirs at a time, and win. It IS written in the koran. and our history confirms it. They ruled us for 666 years. at the point of the sword.
    So, it infuriates the rajput blood in me. I dont ever argue, but just give my one liners, which (atleast for a muslim ) are devastating. basically reverse their logic. Dharma thug may find it amusing, but it is designed to INFURIATE muslims. eg:- I got nothing to do with israel-palestine conflict. But i blindly support israel (kaffir unity) just to infuriate muslims.
    This is the ONLY way to go. Logic never createsimpact, reverse their point of view does. I create impact. my statement, if kashmir secedes from India, I will do to muslim minority,in my honetown, exactly what happened to hindu minority in kashmir. Lotssss of pakis got upset and asked me…”human rights nahi hai kya?” my shameless reply, nahi hai. See, how these people are? When they fight and committ genocide, they dont care for human rights, but when we retaliate, they suddenly talk of humanity and human rights, blah blah.
    It is this hypocrisy that makes me mad, and keeps me going. show your aggression, your martial race, your fighting skills, not your intellect. They are pre-programmed robots.
    JAI SHRI RAM.

    • hindu militant
      Namaste.
      I respect your emotions. I know you are infuriated because of history and even present. I accept that most of the Muslim brothers and sisters act like programmed robots. But I have few comments/suggestions for you, please take them positively

      1. Muslims ruled here not because they are born 10 times stronger than Kafirs. It was because Hindus were not united. Prithviraj Chauhan was defeated by Muhammad Ghauri, not because of his superior martial art but because of the traitors. When great Rana Pratap was fighting Akbar, most of the Rajputs (I feel shame in calling those cowards as Rajputs) were busy offering their sisters, wives and daughters to Shahi Harem of Akbar, the famous butcher.

      2. Muslims never ruled whole of India even for 100 years. And wherever they ruled, it was because of the treaties with Hindu Kings. Majority of Hindus in India is the biggest proof of the same.

      3. It were Hindus, who were actually responsible for their downfall. We were practicing anti Vedic system of castes. A so called Shudra was untouchable but a Muslim could be the ruler! No so called Panda refused to live under Muslim’s rule just like they refused to live with lower castes. Veer Savarkar has given many examples that how a so called untouchable Dalit, when converted to Islam was no more untouchable for fool Pandaas. So called Brahmins of Banaras who used to get impure by the contact of any HINDU Shudra pulled the chariot of CHRISTIAN Viceroy to show him their loyalty to the British Raj! So that time, being a Muslim or Christian was far better option than being a so called lower class Hindu. So many of our Brothers and sisters converted for this reason too.

      4. Do you know that Hindus were not ready to accept those Brothers and Sisters who had to leave Hinduism for any reason? Even those converted forcefully to Islam had no option of coming back to Hinduism because again Pandaas refused to do so. Even 100 years ago, when Swami Dayanand launched Shuddhi movement to bring back home Muslims and Christians, who were lost during onslaught and forceful conversions of their ancestors, he was opposed like anything and was poisoned! Swami Shraddhanand, Pandit Lekhram are few names who were disciple of Swami Dayanand and were shot and stabbed by fanatic Muslims for Shuddhi movement. They were also opposed by Hindus. Swami Shraddhanand alone converted few Lakhs Malkana Muslims in Rajasthan. But they converted back to Islam because Hindu Pandits and even people refuse to accept their daughters for marriage.

      So tell me

      Muslims are growing in India and so as their fanaticism, who is responsible? Aren’t we, who refused to help them when they asked for it?

      They are running conversion centers in India and converting thousands of Hindus every year, who is responsible? Aren’t we, who told them that Hinduism is not for Malechchhas, who poisoned the hero of Shuddhi movement, who did not accept their daughters and sons for marriages?

      How many Vedic centers do you have where you try to spread Vedic teachings of equality?

      How many times you have tried to help organizing Shuddhi for Muslims, who once wanted to come back to us?

      Have you tried to fight those Hindus who even today oppose Shuddhi, who believe in caste system?

      If no, why do you blindly hate Muslims? Should not we hate those Hindus more who even today defend the evil caste system? Muslims of today are just fruits, the actual roots lie in the past, which were nurtured by anti Vedic practices of Hindus alone. We got defeated because Hinduism of that time was worse than Islam. So instead of blaming Muslims every time, we should focus on our weaknesses and try to get them rectified.

      I believe we should be powerful enough to burn any invader to ashes before he eyes at our mothers and motherland. So lets improve ourselves physically, intellectually, and socially so that no Mahmud, Ghauri, Taimur, Babur can ever go back to their Ghazni, Ghaur, Fargana in single piece. And also that no Raichand can ever become Kala Pahaad in the absence of any Dayanand.

      May Eeshvar fill our hearts with love for innocents and with anger for culprits.

      best regards

      • Namaste Brother Vik
        Thanks for the appreciation. Brother, I believe that Brother Hindu is far better than Indian secularists who have surrendered to Jihadi mindsets totally. He is better than Manmohan Singh, who said that Muslims have first right over resources in India, Rahul Gandhi who thinks RSS a bigger threat than Lashkar e Taiyaba, Digvijay Singh who sheds tears for terrorists but not for policeman who was killed by them, and all those Jihadi lovers who want to settle Kashmir issue but not 5 Lakhs Kashmiri Hindus who were thrown out of the valley in 1989.

        So Brother Hindu’s anger is not without the reason. But it needs to be channelized in proper direction. Anger is a fire which can burn ourselves (like wild fire) if not controlled but can make us be on top (like fire in the engine of aircraft) if controlled.

      • @Vajra

        Namaste Brother,

        yes, all indians should be directed towards morality and hopefully our efforts will portray the true Vedic Dharma to all these people in order to restore all those noble values.

  27. I am Christian, but I do not believe in any religion because religion is man made. If you look at any religion it wants to subjugate the weak and minority.

    The reason Christian can co-exist with others because majority of Christians are non-believers like me. We just follow our religion just for the sake of it, but none of will safrifice our lives for the religion as Muslims believes.

    In Muslims there is no modartes. Mustlim is Muslims. Mustlims are good people, if they don’t believe in Quran. If they believe Quran, they cannot be good, they can only be Muslims.

    If Hinus want to fight Islam, they need to unite with Jew and Christian. The Chritian West is facing the same problem that we Indians are facing in India. Islam want to change all of us so we all need to stop it. So, try to hold more seminars to educate non-Muslims about Isalm’s threat.

    We need to educate more and more people the threat our world is facing.

    So, my humble request you all is try to organize workshop where you can invite Shia, Bories and other Muslims who are percicuated by wahabi Muslims.

    First I am Indian and then I am Christian.

    • APPRECIATE IT. I TOO, AM AN INDIAN.

      PROBLEM WITH HINDUS IS THEIR VALUES – THEY BELIEVE IN SARVADHARMA SADBHAAV
      WE SEE MUSLIMS KILLING EACH OTHER WORLDWIDE. IT SEEMS THAT MUSLIM NATIONS WILL DIE ON THEIR OWN. INDIA HAS SIGNED NUCLEAR DEAL WITH AMERICA AND ISRAEL WHO ARE JUDEO – CHRISTIAN NATIONS.

      YOU WILL BE SHOCKED TO KNOW THAT WHEN ISRAEL WAS FORMED, IT WAS A HORRIBLE DESERT. ZIONISTS DECIDED TO LIVE THERE. TODAY, WORLD KNOWS WHAT IS ISRAEL. NOT EVEN USA CAN DARE TO TAKE OVER IT. THIS IS HARDWORK OF ZIONISTS. SOMEONE ASKED ME – WHY DO MUSLIM HATE THEM? MY REPLY – THEY DONT HATE, THEY ARE JEALOUS. ZIONISTS DID WHAT MUSLIMS DID NOT MANAGE TO.

      AGREE WITH YOU THAT SEMINARS NEED TO BE ORGANIZED BUT WE NEED SOME OTHER METHODS AS WELL. ISLAM IS NOT GROWING BCOZ OF CONVERSIONS AS 80% NEO – CONVERTS LEAVE ISLAM WITHIN 5 YEARS. IT IS GROWING DUE TO BIRTH RATE. THEY BRED 5 TIMES MORE THAN RABBIT AND COMPETE WITH PIGS – WHO BREDS MORE. WHILE JUDEO CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN BREEDING 3, HINDUS IN 2, MUSLIMS BREED AT LEAST 6. IF THIS CONTINUES, THERE WOULD BE MORE MUSLIM KIDS COMPARED TO ADULT AND THIS WILL ADD TO POVERTY.

      WE MUST STOP GROWTH OF MUSLIMS FOR OUR NATION. PLEASE MENTION HOW TO STOP THEIR BIRTH RATE AS THEY GIVE RELIGIOUS JUSTIFICATION FOR THE SAME.

  28. Any muslim, if he really is a muslim, will fail this test. This is obvious syncretism and agreeing to introducing newly invented things to the religion takes a person out of the fold of Islam. Whoever wrote this test lacks even the basic understanding of what Islam teaches.

    1. Muslims can never agree to secularism. They may live under it and they must obey the laws of the state they live in even if it is secular, but we can never praise it and say that it is a good thing to be secular. The basic premise of secularism is that religion should have no influence on the state. How can we believe that, when we believe that God has revealed to us laws according to which we should live, do the people know better than God? So this test is pointless from the beginning.

    2. As for reciting verses from the Bagavad Gita and the Vedas, that is not per se forbidden to a muslim. He can read those scriptures. However reading them in a mosque, especially in a way so as to imply that those scriptures are true and should be followed, cannot be accepted.

    3. As for saying “Ishwar and Allah are same, Ram and Rahim are same, Geeta and Quran are same, Kashi and Kaba are same” that is complete nonsense. Ishwar and Allah may be considered the same if by Ishwar we mean God. However there are certain differences between Hindu understanding of God and the Islamic understanding, and usually people use Ishwar to mean the Hindu understanding of God. If that is meant by Ishwar, then that cannot be accepted.

    Saying that Rama and Rahim are the same is completely unacceptable for muslims. Rama is an avatar of Vishnu, Al-Rahim is just another name for Allah (God) it is not some different God or an avatar of God or another form of God. God in Islam has 99 different names, but he himself is one. He has no equals or avatars. He never appeared on earth as a man. I don’t know how the author of the article came up with this concept, the only thing Rama and Al-Rahim (Allah) have in common is the letter R in the beginning.

    Gita and Quran…

  29. I appreciate your solution but there are few sentence which i don`t agree its not true. Ex:-But the reality is that Hindu terrorism is even more dangerous, The terror belongs to muslim or islam because terrorist organisation use it like so called jehad & so on but being an indian we don`t fight with any islamic country on name of Hindusim but the real or bitter truth is its all bloody political game if you understand the religion so there is only one thing and that is ` Ishwar Allah Tero Naam’ nothing else, I am familiar with all these ` Arya samaj’ and other forces. I request don`t point the finger for any particular thing the way of warship and the followers because this time we are just using our religion the way we want or the way we need so all the religion are good but the real problem is their followers & those people who misuse this for their shake.
    Here i am not trying to differentiate the religion for me `Ishwar Allah Tero Naam’ Ishwar & Allah is same…..
    My religion is only Humanity its don`t matter the way i worship or pray to god………

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