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The reality of caste system – 1

Sanjeev Newar
By Sanjeev Newar
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

This entry is part [part not set] of 11 in the series Vedas totally reject Caste System

Vedas totally reject Caste System

This chapter specifically focuses on those mindsets that support birth-based caste discrimination. Our language and criticism should be understood only in light of this heinous practice and for their advocates and not any person, community or caste in general. We consider casteism as the worst form of terrorism and their perpetrators as the Dasyus. But rest of us – regardless of they being upper or lower caste as per fake manmade divisions – are one-family-one-race-one-caste for us. We request readers not to consider this chapter to be addressed to anyone with this Vedic mindset of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam.

Some facts about caste system that we all should know and think about:

Who is Brahmin?

The most ridiculous thing about birth-based caste system is that it is based on unverifiable words of mouth. There is no way to decipher if Brahmins of today are actually children of Brahmins of yesteryears. Regardless of whatsoever Gotra or Rishi name one may utter, there is no way to test the veracity of the claim.

So what if I say that Brahmins (birth-based) of today are actually worse than Shudras because they were born of Chandals around 1000 years ago? How can one refute the claim? If you cite that this Brahmin family is of Bharadwaj gotra, I would ask for DNA testing to verify the claim. In the absence of it, any claim to superior caste remains merely a tall empty claim. That is why original Manu Smriti (not the fake one popular today) clearly stated that one must not earn benefits by boasting about his or her lineage.

Who is Kshatriya?

Parshuram is alleged to have wiped off all Kshatriyas several times. Therefore, it is obvious that Kshatriyas of today are anything but Kshatriyas by birth!

If one tracks the genealogy of Rajputs, they are supposed to belong to one of the following lineages – Suryavanshi from Sun, Chandravanshi from Moon and Agnikula from the fire. Obviously, no one actually came from sun or moon on earth! Also, Agnikula is a recent origin. Legend says that Agnikula Rajputs sprang from fire when Parashuram wiped off entire Kshatriya or Rajput clan from earth. On many Rajput clans, there is still confusion on whether it is Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi or Agnikula.

Obviously, these recent legends – not to be found in any ancient texts – mean that various people who took up the profession of valor/ military became recognized as Rajputs from time to time.

Upper-castes may be Chandals

If some so-called upper castes can claim some other humans to be lower-case, even I can assert that these lower castes are the real Brahmins, Kshatriyas, and Vaishyas. And the upper-castes are actually children of Chandals who usurped power centuries ago and deleted historical records. The recorded history mixed with miraculous stories of the origin of certain castes and tribes would only support this assertion.

Now, if that sounds insulting, even calling any human being as lower-caste is equally offensive, if not more.

Who are Mlechhas among us?

From evident records of the history, one knows that Greeks, Huns, Sakas, Mongols, etc. have been assimilating in Indian society in positions of power. Many of them even had rules over certain parts of India for significant periods and today it is impossible to decipher who among us is a Greek, Hun or Mongol. This goes well with the Vedic concept of ‘one humanity one race’ but blows the very foundations of the birth-based caste system. Because for them, these Mlecchas are even worse than the four castes!

In search of technique for caste determination

Forget about caste-system being supported or denied by Vedas. Even that is secondary. We have already seen that Vedas in fact against the very notion of birth-based on gender-based discrimination.

What is more important is that there is no way for any of us to determine who among us are actually a high caste and a low caste by genealogy since the inception of Vedas. Apart from hollow self-proclaimed assertions, there is nothing more concrete to take anyone’s caste seriously!

If Vedas were to justify birth-based caste system, they should also have specified a reliable technique to decide someone’s caste. In the absence of that technique, the whole concept of birth-based caste system falls flat.

All one can say is that caste system may have been relevant during the inception of Vedas but has no meaning whatsoever today!

Our stand by the way (based purely on Vedas and logic), is that caste system was never relevant and in fact a distortion of Vedic ideology. And this has been the most expensive distortion for our society that snatched away our entire dignity, strength, and future!

What is in a name?

Please also note that the whole concept of using Name and Surname is hardly a few centuries old. You will not find mention of any ‘Ram Suryavanshi’ or ‘Krishna Yadav’ in ancient literature. Even today, a vast majority adopted a surname based on profession or village or city. South Indians typically use a combination of parental name, village name, etc. There are hardly any surnames today, which are carried on since the inception of Vedas.

The very fact that ancient society discouraged use of surnames implies that people were supposed to be respected for their talents and merits, and not for their birth-stamp. Neither people had to carry caste certificates nor was travel to far-off places discouraged as it happened in dark ages of Hinduism. There was no way for anyone to verify anyone’s caste. The talent of a person was his only caste! Of course, distortions did come up over a period of time out of selfish motives. We see that now Bollywood and Politics have also become birth-based. No wonder, similar factors prevailed to strengthen the irrational caste system. Nonetheless, the foundations and verification of castes have always remained utterly unreliable.

Even if someone asserts that ‘Sharma’ is an old surname for Brahmins, the evidence of people using the surname compulsorily in Ramayana or Mahabharata era is disputable. We can merely say that we assume someone to be a “Sharma Brahmin” because he or she uses such a surname. Alternatively, maybe his father and grandfather also used this surname. What if I adopt Sharma surname, and my son follows the suit. How would you tell whether I am actually a Chandal or Brahmin? You will have to only rely on my claim. Moreover, would I not be a fool to admit that actually I am from a generation of Chandals when being a Brahmin gives me so many exclusive rights and privileges?

The attacks of medieval ages

The thousand years of invasion by fanatic tribes of West and Central Asia witnessed virtually entire cities being raped. Women have been the prime targets throughout this darkest era of Indian history. When looters like Qasim, Ghori, Ghazni, Timur would invade, they would make sure that not even one home is spared whose females were not raped by their soldiers. Delhi itself had been ruined several times. The entire north and western India passage from Central Asia has been subject to this tyranny for centuries. May such tragedy may never befall on any society. But our forefathers have witnessed it. Now, what would be children of such victims be called except outcast as per the so-called caste system? But that has thankfully not been the case.

Our seers knew that women are a vulnerable target in adverse situations. They stipulated in Manu Smriti that a woman, how so much fallen, could become noble if the husband is noble. But the husband should ensure that he never falls down.

It was this dictum that motivated men to protect the dignity of their womenfolk and God forbid if something adverse happen, they would still accept the women and start life afresh. Widow would remarry, and rape victims would rehabilitate. Had this not been the case, after a few attacks by invaders, we would already have become a society dominated by outcast!

Of course, in the later period, fake glamorization of woman’s dignity started happening that left only death, torture or prostitution as options available for a widow or rape victim. This foolishness only made us even more impotent.

Some birth-based upper-castes may justify that this indeed had been the case that a rape victim became an outcast. If that be so, we would only say that this is a limit of perversion.

The reality is that caste system, by design, and practicality, was never a Hindu concept. It emerged out of class or profession based community living and aggravated under 1400 years of Jihadi attack that forced several communities to do menial jobs, and restricted free and safe travel due to constant fear of murder and rapes.

Caste System has nothing Hindu about it. It is a social order that emerged due to challenges our ancestors faced.

Yes, pride of ancestors is a noble concept. One must be proud of the ancestors and their contributions that make us what we are today. This pride is Pitra Rin. But the way ahead for this pride must be to draw bigger lines of great work, and not ridiculing anyone on his ancestry.

….to be continued at http://agniveer.com/the-reality-of-caste-system-2/
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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  1. Incredible & powerful writing agniveerji. Your clarity of purpose is overwhelming. This one is going to create a ruckus in orthodox circles.

    Faizi, shaikh, shabeer : please read this article thoroughly.

    • @naruto, you read first what he had written regarding babar, aurangzeb rahmatullah alaih, sher tipusultan. if rani lakshmi bai is fighting for her reign then she was rani of jhansi,, khoob lari mardani woh to jhansi wali rani thi.. when tipusultan fight against british and maratha looters(marathas always supported british against tipu) then he was traitor fighting for his kingship and reign. dont you have brain??? when he write regarding any muslim king or leader then he write so absurd then even i cant read and you can see i dont comment on those topics. he has written his own babrnama and make you fool. you are blind peoples you cant see any thing.

      • What makes you so biased? Does Islam permit homosexuality and killing of innocents? If not, how can Babur, Tipu and Aurangzeb be representatives of Islam? Agniveer is not the only one to condemn them. Listen to Hassan Nisar who calls all Muslim rulers as brutal invaders. Why do you see religious colors in condemnation of tyrants? Agniveer has quoted from authoritative texts. And why don’t you see the liberal praise Agniveer has showered upon Muslims like Ashfaqullah Khan, APJ Abul Kalam, Hakim Suri, Azim Premji, Abdul Hamid? It is a matter of shame that some people would always try to give communal colors to any unbiased discussion because they have no other means to counter it logically.

        See this video of Hassan Nisar – among greatest Islamic thinkers on tyrant rulers of history. Now neither Hassan Nisar nor the person who uploaded this video is anyway related to Agniveer!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8svR_LCfbY

      • @raja, do u know who is hasan nissar? really i dont know. there are famous historians like romilla thapar & B N pandey, they have written books regarding aurangzaib rehmatulla alaih and sher-e-hind tipu sultan if any body want i cansend just give ur address. sri bn pandey,s book name is “itihaas k saath ye anyay kyun?”

      • Brother striving, if you want to continue your discussion on mughal invaders, please continue it in the respective article’s comment section. Please dont divert the message of this article.Already the vedas-hatred comment section is filled with your non-vegetarian jokes(pardon my pun :P). Thanks.

      • @Raja

        Perhaps, people who learn the history lessons from madarassa are bound to glorify these barbarians. they feel proud on the rapists/murderers of their ancestors.

      • Raja, Sepeculations are not a good way to talk about anything. Most Muslim dislike Mughal they twisted Islam the way they like to help grow their interst. Most people lack sufficient knowledge on History to debate this.. They are lot of Hate website that put forth this kind of Speculation. It like blame hitler action on christianity. Blame Naxal’s action on Hindus.

      • Zk,
        Please tell us the list of Mughals whom Muslims don’t like. I suppose Aurangzeb (Babar’s successor), so call Vali by Muslim community, and was also Mughal.
        Can you please justify famous murder case of Sikh Guru’s children in the light of your religious book? He offered them to accept Islam before putting them into Walls, but and brave children accepted to die.
        Here, intentionally, I am not discussing about the murders of other thousands of Hindus and Sikhs who refused to accept Islam as Muslims usually refused to accept this truth.

      • Brother Striving, if you had carefully gone through those articles, you would have seen agniveer substantiating his arguements with authentic evidences.You are most welcome to counter him in the comments sections in those articles with authentic proof from your own side. But I fail to get this: the history of islam as far as I have understood from great muslim scholars is that of quran and hadiths only. Why then brother do you want to defend these barbarians? They were no representatives of islam.

        Do you finally agree that agniveer stands for truth, compassion and courage and is not merely an ‘anti-islamic site’ after you have read this article?

      • …and Tipu the sher my ass. He was a barbarian extrodinaire. There are ample evidences from historians about his antics in the name of islam.

      • @NaRuTo says:

        Just I am curious to know, can you please enlighten me a bit in any authentic islamic scriptures such as quron or hadees? promoting Homo sexuality? please don’t give quotes from history of babur etc..or as such..

      • @ tamil cafe:

        I am not getting what you are trying to say. If you are referring to what striving was saying, I said:

        * Historians have well documented the atrocities of these invaders. References were given in agniveer. Please check “Islam spread by sword” article by Rushmore in satyagni. Further references are given by him.

        * Why brother striving wants to defend these barbarians? Even the greatest muslim scholars tell to judge islam by quran and hadiths only and not by the muslim rulers. So why do you want to defend such cruel people when they werent the representatives of islam in the 1st place? All muslims should denounce these criminals.

      • ….and as far as I have understood man-love-man is punishable by death in islam. Where did you get the idea that homosexuality is promoted in islam?

        Although, up in the heavens, it is a whole different story. The virgins apart, there are young boys too. 😛

      • Zk and NaRuTo ,
        I suppose Aurangzeb (Babar’s successor), so called Vali of Muslim community, and was also Mughal.
        Can you please justify famous murder case of Sikh Guru’s children in the light of your religious book? He offered them to accept Islam before putting them into Walls, but Great and brave children accepted to die.
        Here, intentionally, I am not discussing about the murders of other thousands of Hindus and Sikhs who refused to accept Islam as Muslims usually refused to accept this truth.

    • ARYA SAMARPAN GEET
      Hey Ishwar kya tera diya Sundar Varna hai
      Hiro ke kimat ko jhuka de
      Aisa yeh dharma hai

      Agar Brahman Chunu toh Vedo ki mahima
      Vishwa mein faila du
      Kshatriya Chunu toh apno ka jivan
      apne prana dekar bhi raksha karu
      Vaishya Chunu toh Priyejano ke daridrata ko door karke
      unnati ko aasman ki aur bada du
      Phir agar yehi haath apne hi dharm ka vinaash kare
      Yeh rom-rom Shudratva ko grahan kare
      Mera hi samaj Mujhe hi barhishkar kare
      Toh kya apne kartavya ko chor
      Dasyuvo ki Sharan lu ?
      Are wo bhakt hi kya
      Jo kaato ke dar se bhakti hi chor de
      Apne Niyamo ka ullanghan karne se bhala
      apna maatha kaat
      Apne prabhu ke hawaale karu

      Manushya wo nahi jo dosh kare aur dand se bhage
      Lekin wo hain jo waapas satya ki raah le

      Thik tab ho , jab apne galti ka ehsaas karke
      Niyam ke badhe huye karma ko
      astra ki tarah uthaaoo
      Aur apne maan-sammaan aur dvijatvo ko waapas grahan karu
      O Maha-aatma(Super soul .i.e. father of all souls) ekbaar suno mere samarpan ko
      Aandhi aaye , toofan aaye , Chahe Mrityu bhi Aaye
      Tujhe kabhi na Choru
      Hey Ishwar,
      MEIN TERA ARYA HU
      MEIN TERA ARYA HU
      MEIN TERA ARYA HU

    • @NaRuTo says:

      “Just I am curious to know, can you please enlighten me a bit in any authentic islamic scriptures such as quron or hadees? promoting Homo sexuality? please don’t give quotes from history of babur etc..or as such..” my apologies NaRuTo, this question was not to post in here.

      I read some where in Agniveer that Islam promote Homosexuality? so I have raised the above question, but still it is open to everyone here in Agniveer to answer? or I will direct it to an appropriate post.

      • @ Tamilscafe: We have never stated in any article that Islam supports homosexuality. What we have said is that since Islam does not support homosexuality and considers it worst of a sin punishable by death, Babur can be anything but Muslim considering his proud admission of homosexuality in his own autobiography.

        This is just for clarification, further discussions may happen on relevant post but not here as this article has a completely different focus.
        Admin

      • @ Agniveer,

        Just last comment in this regard on this post, I never said that I read on your article (may be I need to read more of your articles to verify it), I thought when I read comments reflecting such meanings gives some responsibility to the admin as well if you don’t condemn or remove such comments.

        I don’t support Babur or any criminals for thier unhumanly act. But I am happy to read that AGNIVEER not accusing ISLAM or IT’S scriptures are supporting HS.

      • @Tamilscafe:

        How can Islam support homosexuality? Allah himself took special pains to massacre homosexuals in Lot’s village. Please read Surah 7 and Surah 26 for more details.

      • This is just for clarification, further discussions may happen on relevant post but not here as this article has a completely different focus.

        Ah…skipped reading this…Sorry. Let us indeed attempt to maintain thread purity…otherwise threads just end up debating everything under the sun.

        My bad.

      • Dear Tamilscafe,

        We offered an explanation to your comment only to ensure that no one interprets it to be Agniveer’s view. We don’t have a restrictive comment policing policy. We encourage free discussions and only intervene when either some comments are reported, found abusive or may provoke violence. Beyond that we trust maturity of commenters. Most of the filtering is done automatically. Presence of a comment no way implies that we agree or disagree to it. If we start moderating each and every comment, first it would be daunting for us to set such an infrastructure. But more importantly, that would defeat the whole purpose of site that values freedom of expression. So we have comments from a diversity of people showcasing divergent viewpoints. Many of them even question Agniveer, but we desist from either condemning or removing such comments as well.

        Admin

    • Both are at fault. One must remember that poinilciats are also Indian citizens.Mud slinging does no good. RBI does good financial parameter tuning which is doing good to the country. The steps by RBI are really good and good for the economy.I look absolutely neutral in these issues and feel that1)Character filtering of candidates as suggested by Union Law Minister is the need of the hour.2)Lokpal mechanism of Rahul Gandhi is the best mechanism.3)Parliament questions organisations on their working and organisations have to answer such questions.Unity is the need of the hour. Citizens must practise this at all cost.

  4. http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/vedas-and-shudras/

    वेद और शुद्र

    पाश्चात्य विद्वानों जैसे मेक्समूलर, ग्रिफ्फिथ,ब्लूमफिल्ड आदि का वेदों का अंग्रेजी में अनुवाद करते समय हर संभव प्रयास था की किसी भी प्रकार से वेदों को इतना भ्रामक सिद्ध कर दे की हिन्दू समाज का वेदों से विश्वास ही उठ जाये और ईसाई मत के प्रचार प्रसार में अध्यात्मिक रूप से कोई कठिनाई नहीं आये.

    इसी श्रृंखला में वेदों को जातिवाद का पोषक घोषित कर दिया गया जिससे बड़ी संख्या में हिन्दू समाज के अभिन्न अंग जिन्हें दलित समझा जाता हैं को आसानी से ईसाई मत में शामिल कर सके.

    हमारे ही ब्राह्मण वर्ग ने सबसे पहले भूल करके वेद ज्ञान केवल ब्राह्मणों के लिए हैं ऐसा घोषित कर दिया तत्पश्चात कोई गलती से वेदों को सुन या बोल न ले इसलिए यह प्रचलित कर दिया की जो कोई शुद्र वेदमंत्र को सुन ले तो उसके कान में गर्म सीसा दाल देना चाहिए और जो मंत्र का पाठ कर ले तो उसकी जिव्हा अलग कर देनी चाहिए .इसके अलावा अपने आपको श्रेष्ठ सिद्ध करने के लिए पुरुष सूक्त के मन्त्रों का भाष्य इस प्रकार से किया गया की इस समाज का मुख ब्राह्मण हैं,भुजाये क्षत्रिय हैं,जंघा वैश्य हैं और पैर शुद्र हैं अर्थात ब्राह्मण समाज में सबसे ऊपर अर्थात श्रेष्ठ हैं क्यूंकि मुख सबसे ऊपर होता हैं और शुद्र समाज में सबसे नीचे अर्थात निकृष्ट हैं क्यूंकि शरीर में पाँव सबसे नीचे होते हैं.

    स्वामी दयानंद ने वेदों का अनुशीलन करते हुए पाया की वेद सभी मनुष्यों और सभी वर्णों के लोगों के लिए वेद पढने के अधिकार का समर्थन करते हैं. स्वामी जी के काल में शूद्रों का जो वेद अध्यनन का निषेध था उसके विपरीत वेदों में स्पष्ट रूप से पाया की शूद्रों को वेद अध्ययन का अधिकार स्वयं वेद ही देते हैं.

    यजुर्वेद २६.२ के अनुसार हे मनुष्यों! जैसे मैं परमात्मा सबका कल्याण करने वाली ऋग्वेद आदि रूप वाणी का सब जनों के लिए उपदेश कर रहा हूँ, जैसे मैं इस वाणी का ब्राह्मण और क्षत्रियों के लिए उपदेश कर रहा हूँ, शूद्रों और वैश्यों के लिए जैसे मैं इसका उपदेश कर रहा हूँ और जिन्हें तुम अपना आत्मीय समझते हो , उन सबके लिए इसका उपदेश कर रहा हूँ और जिसे ‘अरण’ अर्थात पराया समझते हो, उसके लिए भी मैं इसका उपदेश कर रहा हूँ, वैसे ही तुम भी आगे आगे सब लोगों के लिए इस वाणी के उपदेश का क्रम चलते रहो.
    अथर्ववेद १९.६२.१ में प्रार्थना हैं की हे…

    • अथर्ववेद १९.६२.१ में प्रार्थना हैं की हे परमात्मा ! आप मुझे ब्राह्मण का, क्षत्रियों का, शूद्रों का और वैश्यों का प्यारा बना दें.

      इस मंत्र का भावार्थ ये हैं की हे परमात्मा आप मेरा स्वाभाव और आचरण ऐसा बन जाये जिसके कारन ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, शुद्र और वैश्य सभी मुझे प्यार करें.

      यजुर्वेद १८.४८ में प्रार्थना हैं की हे परमात्मन आप हमारी रुचि ब्राह्मणों के प्रति उत्पन्न कीजिये, क्षत्रियों के प्रति उत्पन्न कीजिये, विषयों के प्रति उत्पन्न कीजिये और शूद्रों के प्रति उत्पन्न कीजिये.

      मंत्र का भाव यह हैं की हे परमात्मन! आपकी कृपा से हमारा स्वाभाव और मन ऐसा हो जाये की ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, वैश्य और शुद्र सभी वर्णों के लोगों के प्रति हमारी रूचि हो. सभी वर्णों के लोग हमें अच्छे लगें. सभी वर्णों के लोगों के प्रति हमारा बर्ताव सदा प्रेम और प्रीति का रहे.

      अथर्ववेद १९.३२.८ हे शत्रु विदारक परमेश्वर मुझको ब्राह्मण और क्षत्रिय के लिए, और वैश्य के लिए और शुद्र के लिए और जिसके लिए हम चाह सकते हैं और प्रत्येक विविध प्रकार देखने वाले पुरुष के लिए प्रिय कर.

      इस प्रकार वेद की शिक्षा में शूद्रों के प्रति भी सदा ही प्रेम-प्रीति का व्यवहार करने और उन्हें अपना ही अंग समझने की बात कही गयी हैं.

      वेदों के शत्रु विशेष रूप से पुरुष सूक्त को जातिवाद की उत्पत्ति का समर्थक मानते हैं.

      पुरुष सूक्त १६ मन्त्रों का सूक्त हैं जो चारों वेदों में मामूली अंतर में मिलता हैं.

      पुरुष सूक्त जातिवाद का नहीं अपितु वर्ण व्यस्था के आधारभूत मंत्र हैं जिसमे “ब्राह्मणोस्य मुखमासीत” ऋग्वेद १०.९० में ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, वैश्य और शुद्र को शरीर के मुख, भुजा, मध्य भाग और पैरों से उपमा दी गयी हैं. इस उपमा से यह सिद्ध होता हैं की जिस प्रकार शरीर के यह चारों अंग मिलकर एक शरीर बनाते हैं, उसी प्रकार ब्राह्मण आदि चारों वर्ण मिलकर एक समाज बनाते हैं. जिस प्रकार शरीर के ये चारों अंग एक दुसरे के सुख-दुःख कप अपना सुख-दुःख अनुभव करते हैं, उसी प्रकार समाज के ब्राह्मण आदि चारों वर्णों के लोगों को एक दुसरे के सुख-दुःख को अपना सुख-दुःख समझना चाहिए. यदि पैर में कांटा लग जाये तो मुख से दर्द की ध्वनि निकलती हैं और हाथ सहायता के लिए पहुँचते हैं उसी प्रकार समाज में जब शुद्र को कोई कठिनाई पहुँचती हैं तो ब्राह्मण भी और क्षत्रिय भी उसकी सहायता के लिए आगे आये.सब वर्णों में…

  5. सब वर्णों में परस्पर पूर्ण सहानुभूति, सहयोग और प्रेम प्रीति का बर्ताव होना चाहिए. इस सूक्त में शूद्रों के प्रति कहीं भी भेद भाव की बात नहीं कहीं गयी हैं.

    इस सूक्त का एक और अर्थ इस प्रकार किया जा सकता हैं की जब कोई व्यक्ति समाज में ज्ञान के सन्देश को प्रचार प्रसार करने में योगदान दे तो वो ब्राह्मण अर्थात समाज का शीश हैं, यदि कोई व्यक्ति समाज की रक्षा अथवा नेतृत्व करे तो वो क्षत्रिय अर्थात समाज की भुजाये हैं, यदि कोई व्यक्ति देश को व्यापार, धन आदि से समृद्ध करे तो वो वैश्य अर्थात समाज की जंघा हैं और यदि कोई व्यक्ति गुणों से रहित हैं अर्थात शुद्र हैं तो वो इन तीनों वर्णों को अपने अपने कार्य करने में सहायता करे अर्थात इन तीनों की नींव बने,मजबूत आधार बने.

    प्राचीन काल में जन्मना जायते शुद्र अर्थात जन्म से हर कोई गुण रहित अर्थात शुद्र हैं ऐसा मानते थे और शिक्षा प्राप्ति के पश्चात गुण,कर्म और स्वाभाव के आधार पर वर्ण का निश्चय होता था.ऐसा समाज में हर व्यक्ति अपनी अपनी क्षमता के अनुसार समाज के उत्थान में अपना अपना योगदान कर सके इसलिए किया गया था. मध्य कल में यह व्यस्था जाती व्यस्था में परिवर्तित हो गयी. एक ब्राह्मण का बालक दुराचारी, कामी, व्यसनी, मांसाहारी और अनपढ़ होते हुए भी ब्राह्मण कहलाने लगा जबकि एक शुद्र का बालक चरित्रवान,शाकाहारी,उच्च शिक्षित होते हुए भी शुद्र कहलाने लगा.

    इस जातिवाद से देश की बड़ी हनी हुई और हो रही हैं.

    परन्तु आज समाज में योग्यता के आधार पर ही वर्ण की स्थापना होने लगी हैं. एक चिकित्सक का पुत्र तभी चिकित्सक कहलाता हैं जब वह सही प्रकार से शिक्षा ग्रहण न कर ले, एक इंजिनियर का पुत्र भी उसी प्रकार से शिक्षा प्राप्ति के पश्चात ही इंजिनियर कहलाता हैं. और एक ब्राह्मण के पुत्र को अगर अनपद हैं तो उसकी योग्यता के अनुसार किसी दफ्तर में चतुर्थ श्रेणी से जयादा की नौकरी नहीं मिलती. यही तो वर्ण व्यवस्था हैं.

    आशा हैं पाठकगन वेदों को जातिवाद का पोषक न मानकर उन्हें शुर्द्रों के प्रति उचित सम्मान देने वाले और जातिवाद नहीं अपितु वर्ण व्यस्था का पोषक मानने में अब कोई आपत्ति नहीं समझेगे.

  6. Team Agniveer, brilliant work. This intellectual forward march against casteism has to be sustained. Every politician will talk about destroying the system but he will do everything to sustain it to stay in business. And I have been engaging many villagers in conversations against casteism. And the fact is that while it is a painfully slow process, it is important to appeal to the common sense of many of these folks (who are otherwise smart) on casteism. Those that do ought to know that while talking to practitioners of this system, if we lowered the boom & said that this is wrong, right away, we close all avenues of further discussions but we need to induce the antidote, slowly and steadily. And everyone that reads these posts must do their two cents against the venom of casteism.

    • @ Apolloreach – For last several days I am trying to understand Brihadaranayak Uapnishad 1/4/11 to 16. I fail to understand the importance of verse 16. Will you please let me know ?

  7. main aapka har lekh aatma se padhana chahta hoon lekin ve sabhi english mein hote hain. durbhagya se english bhasha mujhe aati hi nahi hai. agar ho sake to apne sabhi lekh english ke sath sath hindi mein bhi post karen to iska bahut akhik labh hoga.

    • नमस्ते,
      हमारी भी यही इच्छा है की हिंदी भाषा में भी सभी लेख प्रकाशित हों. किन्तु हिंदी में अनुवाद एवं टंकण के लिए संसाधन नहीं मिल पा रहे हैं. कोई योग्य व्यक्ति पहचान में हो तो ईमेल से संपर्क करें. हम उसे वेतन पर रखने को तैयार हैं.
      प्रबंधक
      अग्निवीर.कॉम

      • param adarniy shri agnveer ji . bada ashchry hai ki apko itne bade hindi kshetra me koi angreji se hindi ka anuvadak nahi mil paya ? jara kis hindi v angreji samachar patr me iska vigyapan dekar dekhiye jarur safalta milegi !apni bhavnao ka asnkhybar dhanyvad !

      • @अग्निवीर
        अग्निवीर जी में आपके सभी लेख जो हिंदी में है लोगो तक पहुचाने की हमेशा कोशिश करता रहता हू क्योकि अगर हमें अंध विस्वास, जाति-पर्था, आदि समस्याओ से निपटाना है तो हमें गाव-गाव तक ये लेख पहुचाने होंगे, परन्तु इसके लिए लेखो का हिंदी में होना आवश्यक है! और हिंदी के द्वारा ही हम राम राज्य / वैदिक राज्य की स्थापना कर सकते है!

      • Agreed, i am searching a telugu translator. But how would Agniveer verify the version if it is translated exactly(intent)?

  8. May be I can help in translating into Telugu and Odia, I have already translated some articles of Agniveer in Odia language, for some of my friends of this locality, although they are not published, but spoken to many people in Odisha. The problem is getting unicode odia writer. The software that I have, can translate in Odia, but the fonts are readable only on mozila firefox, when I copy the texts on chrome or IE, these are not properly readable.

    I am not very sound on software technologies, so need help in this regard.

  9. […] */ nRelate.domain = "agniveer.com"; /* */TweetTweetThis article is also available in English here http://agniveer.com/5277/the-reality-of-caste-system/ [कृपया ध्यान दें –  यह लेख मुख्य: रूप से […]

  10. Absolutely brilliant !!! What to say when people restrict themselves intentionally to be not open minded. Nobody can help a person who lives in belief based systems.

  14. In most countries outside India where indians live this evil has been destroyed ab to hamara matrebhumi baki hai. Log nahin dekh pate hain ki isiliye humara pauranic bhaiyon aur behenon dusra dharma thaam lete hain 🙁 Jo bolo so abhay vaidik dharma ki jai!

  15. In most countries outside India where indians live this evil has been destroyed ab to hamara matrebhumi baki hai. Log nahin dekh pate hain ki isiliye humara pauranic bhaiyon aur behenon dusra dharma thaam lete hain 🙁 Jo bolo so abhay vaidik dharma ki jai!

  16. In most countries outside India where indians live this evil has been destroyed ab to hamara matrebhumi baki hai. Log nahin dekh pate hain ki isiliye humara pauranic bhaiyon aur behenon dusra dharma thaam lete hain 🙁 Jo bolo so abhay vaidik dharma ki jai!

  23. I have recently posted some comments in Times of India. I have been refuting hatred and overtures by some evangelical christians who were taking advantage of our problems with Pakistani muslims and trying to spread christiantity like vultures looking for dead corpses. While my take was to enlighten our muslim brothers with the truth about the QuR’an , this evangelical fanatic was refuting and ridiculing me with the help of Hindu scriptures, which was downright humiliating. I have some exposure to QuR’an and Hadith but I don’t know where this guy got this kind of hindu sciptures with proper Quotes and all that. I need help from AgniveerJi. I have just started going into the details of Vedas and Other Hindu Scriptures. In this hour of my need, I need some help from AgniveerJi or any other learned person on this forum to check those lofty claims made by this clown. The Artlcles I am referring are following:
    Memogate: Pak army, government lock horns
    Omer Farooq Khan | 17 Dec 2011, 05:22 IST

    Gilani asks US to respect Pak’s ‘red lines’
    PTI | 16 Dec 2011, 17:39 IST|

    You would be responsible if we fail in war on terror: Pakistan to US
    PTI | 15 Dec 2011, 17:17 IST

    Nato: Pak talking again to US-led coalition
    AP | 14 Dec 2011, 10:41 IST

    53 kids chained in Pak madrassa for becoming fighters for Taliban freed
    Omer Farooq Khan | 14 Dec 2011, 04:35 IST

    Decoding done, Iran set to ‘reverse engineer’ US drone
    AFP | 13 Dec 2011, 05:56 IST

    My posting are under the name of” Razixmuslim” and the clown in question who has given me grief is “Gerry Faulkner”. AgniveerJi or anyone out there, help me out and tell me Who are these people who have corrupted Hinduism’s sacred texts? Is it just the mere propaganda by these evengalists? What is the truth? Please go on the TOI’s website and search these articles and in the comments section who will find me battling with this clown.
    I am disheartened and frustrated. I need help.

  24. Mughals and afghans did the same, what their Prophet did in his time ! Taking non-muslim girls as sex-slaves, also selling them into Slave market. Its so hypocrite of you muslims. You people are on denial.
    And homosexuality is banned on earth , not in heaven.. dont ask me to present that verse from Quran which says young beautiful boys will be there for muslim men, I dont have to! And its your interpretation that those young beautiful boys are not for sex, who cares ? We know it !
    Just like you prove science in Quran quoting some stupid verses and trying to explain Big Bang Theory and Water Cycle ! Thats childish. No clear words are there to prove science in Islam.

  25. Hi,
    No caste system in Aryas ever. Did you find anywhere the Sir Name of ancient scholars?
    Is this simple logic not enough to prove that these ideas started in middle age?
    Selfish People converted Varna system to Caste system and cooked new Ideas…
    Varna system is about what you choose for yourself. In simplest words, it means:
    reading Vedic books and spread knowledge(Brahmin), interest to protect people from bad elements (Kshatriya), to involve in economy of community/country and improve businesses and make community prosperous(Vashy), and just do rest of the works whatever(Shudra).

    It means most of all, who just do job to earn leaving, are just Shudra. And there is no bed to be Shudra. But as per Vedas, one should not be satisfy at Shudras state and try to enlighten himself/herself to get better states like Vashy, Khsartiya and the best one Brahmin.

  26. Keeping to the topic of caste. First the word itself is not Indian in origin, but Portuguese. “Casta is an Iberian word (existing in Spanish, Portuguese and other Iberian languages since the Middle Ages), meaning “lineage”, “breed” or “race.” It is derived from the older Latin word castus, “chaste,” implying that the lineage has been kept pure. Casta gave rise to the English word caste during the Early Modern Period.[3][4]” “….During the Spanish colonial period, Spaniards developed a complex caste system based on race, which was used for social control and which also determined a person’s importance in society.[5] There were four main categories of race: (1) Peninsular, a Spaniard born in Spain; (2) Criollo (feminine, criolla), a person of Spanish descent born in the New World; (3) Indio (fem. india), a person who is descendent of the original inhabitants of the Americas; and (4) Negro (fem. negra) – a person of black African descent, usually a slave or their free descendants.[5]…” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castas

    Secondly, Varna which is in Hinduism is not originally hereditary but individual.

    Thirdly, what group one is born in is Jati (community) which describes any Indian community, Hindu or otherwise.

    The problem is not the individual fluid Varna or the endogenous jati that one is born into, but when jati gets linked to a social status and that is made to be hereditary. Inherited class status is the problem, and is a problem world wide. Europe still has royalty. Western scholars have already written that when the Europeans came to India they projected the term caste on to the combination of Varna and jati, not differentiating between the two. Also noted by Western scholars is that overall jatis were moving up and down Varna. British classification of jatis into one Varna or another exacerbated the issue of hereditary class status. What Indian Hindus need to remember is that within Hinduism Varna is individual and non-hereditary, and that there is nothing wrong with endogenous jatis. Europe’s most famous endogenous jati are the Jews.The issue is inherited class status, which is a world wide problem.

  28. “Hindus Living in Denial”
    Hinduism’s biggest ill has been its caste system….denying it is making a joke of history….the scriptures recommended it hence it existed….there existed castes more lower than Shudra
    Hindus today will jump to conclusions that heir religion was the best!
    Heres the thing abou mlechas….so unscientific and idiotic were 10th century Hindus that they thought theirs is the oly country in the world that god made.
    There was NO GOLDEN SPARROW……NO SCIENTIFIC BOOM…..NO CULTURAL RENNAISANCE in a Hindu India……its your hindu love and chauvinism that makes you do all this
    For your Gods sake read some history…..of perhaps the first Indologists
    Grab copies of al-Birunis books
    And you will know what India was and never was

    • Oh please can you even state the scriptures and show facts.
      Cmon state yoyr facts not what you want to think,:

      1) Can you even explain why there are even male and female forms of God, and what does this state?
      2) Cann you state why these historians spoke such :
      “Will Durant (1885–1981) American historian says that “women enjoyed far greater freedom in the Vedic period than in later India. She had more to say in the choice of her mate than the forms of marriage might suggest. She appeared freely at feasts and dances, and joined with men in religious sacrifice. She could study, and like Gargi, engage in philosophical disputation. If she was left a widow there were no restrictions upon her remarriage.”[51]

      Louis Jaccoliot (1837–1890) who worked in French India as a government official and was at one time President of the Court in Chandranagar, translated numerous Vedic hymns and the celebrated author of the Bible in India: Hindoo Origin of Hebrew and Christian Revelation said: “India of the Vedas entertained a respect for women amounting to worship; a fact which we seem little to suspect in Europe when we accuse the extreme East of having denied the dignity of woman, and of having only made her an instrument of pleasure and of passive obedience.” He also said: “What! here is a civilization, which you cannot deny to be older than your own, which places the woman on a level with the man and gives her an equal place in the family and in society.”[52]

      Bhishma Pitamaha also said: “The teacher who teaches true knowledge is more important than ten instructors. The father is more important than ten such teachers of true knowledge and the mother is more important than ten such fathers. There is no greater guru than mother
      ”

      stop talking poo poo “pranav”

    • Note to non-Hindus, please stop pretending to be Hindus when your write your anti Hindu comments. It is so pathetic and obvious. Have some guts and write with your own names and openly state that you are from another faith.

  29. Muslims should get clarifications from coreligionists on their brutality. So MUSLIMS should talk to muslims first.
    Please google and youtube seach these names and sites to get enlightened. Ali Sina (Iran), Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Somalia), Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem, Ibn Warraq, and others also are vocal critics of their faith. Nonie Darwish has a book called “Cruel and Unusual Punishment” that deals with Muslim marriage and other sharia laws. Wafa Sultan feels free after leaving her faith and leaving her mother land syria.. All these people fled muslim lands from Africa and Asia. Muslims enjoy freedom in secular non muslim lands. See how muslims in America and India attack hindus and Christians using the liberty offered by these nonmuslim countries. Can anyone dream of criticizing muslim faith in a muslim land, no , because they will be killed.
    Faithfreedom.org (banned in muslim lands) is run by Ali Sina, a PhD, an Iranian living in Canada. Ayaan Hirsi Ali a writer from Somalia lives in North America. Another site is formermuslims.org. These sites are hacked and invaded by militant muslims only to shut them down, but these rebel muslim men and women are resourceful enough to get the sites back on line. Feel free to copy pate this post and spread it in the blogosphere for educating all muslims. Cheers.

  31. If you say that they were relevant during “inception” of the Veda, then you are essentially putting Veda into a time frame. Be definition the Vedas are without beginning or end and are not the creation of any person, human or otherwise. They exist eternally.

    Secondly, “They are not relevant in modern times” shows your complete lack of Vedic wisdom, or even a miniscule of it, so to say. That Vedic wisdom or parts of it thereof are valid / not valid at times is an ultimately self-conflicting statement. The Vedas are ever valid, irrespective of Geographic, Spatial or Time dimensions.

    As for this article, it is not even worth commenting.

  32. I find it hypocritical that Christians love to talk about caste in Hinduism as a way to bash Hindus, but they don’t address the big issue in their own Christian majority countries. Like rasism. To this day you still have cops in the US murdering young black boys. Almost every week we hear about another white cop killing a black boy. And even in the bible it talks about slavery and how to treat your slave. It is disgusting how the bible promotes slavery.

    And the Vedas are actually against…

    • And the Vedas do not mention caste at all. It is a made up concept by evil people. Vedas talk about the equality of humanity. Simple as that.

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