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I did not expect my review on ‘Haider’ (http://agniveer.com/a-soldier-reviews-haider/) to get such a massive response. After all I am not a professional film critic. I am just a handicapped ex-soldier.
There are intense debates happening over my review. Opinions range from strong support to outright rejection. Nonetheless the feedback has been very useful to understand the civilian mindset and awareness on the issue.
In this article, I will address some of the feedbacks to provide a fuller perspective on the issue. I did cover many of these in my original review. But in the wide scope and length of the review, they could not come out as clearly as is evident from the feedback.
Also note that despite criticizing my review, many of you have asserted that they are proud of Indian Army and its sacrifices in Kashmir. This is extremely satisfying and fulfills the goal behind the review. In Army, we are trained to keep personal aspirations aside for the larger goal.
Feedback:
You did not understand the film properly. Vishal Bhardwaj was trying to be honest with plot of “Hamlet” by William Shakespeare. You should read “Hamlet” first.
Soldier’s Response:
I have read “Hamlet” but that is not even the point of issue here. In fact, the director has taken several liberties in adapting his film to “Hamlet” and does not confirm to original plot-line everywhere.
The real questions are:
- Why choose Kashmir to recreate “Hamlet”? Especially in an era when Kashmir is already burning and we have witnessed serious hostility of enemy neighbor and internal acts of militancy since last several years. The valley is burning and what is needed is to bridge the gap between Kashmir and rest of India to bring lasting peace everywhere. On contrary, what purpose does raking up a twenty-five year old sensitive issue serve?Hamlet could have been setup in any part of world. Why choose the most sensitive, most violent, most enemy-prone part of nation? What purpose does it serve? Yes, the movie is a big-hit in Kashmir valley. At the same time, there are flags of ISIS being waved. Good work of Army in flood-relief is being washed away under imaginations of how army tortured Kashmiris twenty-five years ago, as depicted in the film. From perspective of India’s security and integration of Kashmir with rest of the country, the movie has taken us a step backward.
- Why did Vishal Bhardwaj choose Basharat Peer as co-writer? Is Basharat Peer an expert on Shakespeare? No. Is Basharat Peer a professional film writer? No. On contrary “Haider” is the first time he is writing either for film or for Shakespeare. He is also not an old-time friend of Vishal Bharadwaj.If in a world with thousands of acclaimed film-writers and experts on Shakespeare, one chooses to pay an unknown first-timer as co-writer, there must be a compelling reason. The compelling reason, as it stands, is that Basharat Peer is a Kashmiri separatist journalist based out of New York. He studied in India, holds an Indian Passport and yet publicly regrets the fact that he is forced to hold an Indian Passport and not a Kashmiri Passport. He had written a book “Curfewed Night” which details the so-called ‘atrocities” of Indian Army and so-called ‘illegal’ occupation of Kashmir by India. In fact in the book, he goes on to admit that those who faced so-called atrocities of Indian Army were pro-Pakistanis and sheltered or groomed militants. But, being an anti-Indian, he finds nothing wrong in nurturing terrorists at home. His complaint is only against Indian Army for digging out these terrorists!The movie “Haider” is actually a film adaptation of this anti-India book “Curfewed Night” and Shakespeare is merely an add-on.
- I fail to understand what would prompt some lover of Shakespeare to choose to work with such a blatantly anti-Indian writer to adapt his anti-India book in a film, unless he harbors anti-India feelings or puts commercial gains over nation?Why Kashmir when it is one of most sensitive parts of world today?Why today when the storyline is 25 years old?Why choose and pay Basharat Peer when he is openly anti-India and has zero experience in either film-writing or Shakespeare?Why “Curfewed Night” when it is a blatantly anti-Indian pro-Pakistani pro-Separatism book?Why the film release coincides with armed aggression from Pakistan and waving of ISIS flags in Kashmir valley?
The “art-lovers” may still find “art” in all this. But we at army are trained to be more vigilant of friends and traitors. That is how we continue to protect the nation with our lives despite all obstacles.
Feedback:
Why take a creative expression so seriously? After all it is just a film. Enjoy the direction, photography, acting, editing, dialogues, plot. And ignore the rest. Don’t get sentimental.
Soldier’s Response:
This is where perhaps a soldier differs from a civilian. A civilian perhaps has ample time to cultivate a mind that enjoys the finer beauties for sake of beauty itself. A soldier has no such luxuries. He is busy fighting enemies at risk of his death, just to ensure that the civilian can comfortably enjoy these beauties.
No, we don’t join Army because of money. We join because of pride. Not self-pride. But pride of self-sacrifice for sake of motherland. Day in, day out, every moment, we are trained for only one thing – to love the motherland. For us, the country is our mother. She is more important than our biological mother. That is why before choosing to die in battlefield protecting motherland, we keep aside all emotions for the biological mother.
When we salute each other, we don’t actually salute each other. We say “Jai Hind”. We don’t say: Hello, Good Morning, Namaste, Aadaab. We glorify and salute Hindustan even when we salute each other.
Now think of it. If someone makes a movie that shows your biological mother (or wife, or sister or any woman for whom you have highest respect) as a loose character. He puts a few rape scenes, mentions that your mother indulges in a variety of innovative “chutzpah”, sleeps around with people, how would you feel?
The movie-maker may have put a disclaimer that it is a work of fiction. Or even praised your mother as a goddess in a subtitle at end of the film. Would you now recommend the world to watch and enjoy this film for awesome performance and direction? Would you thank the lady actor for portraying your mother marvelously? Would you write in reviews that the movie was a wonderful adaptation of some “Hamlet” or “Lolita”?
Forget about the movie. Even in conversation, if someone makes a lewd remark or crude “creative” joke on a woman you respect, you may pick up a fight.
Then how can one expect a soldier to not get emotional and see art and beauty in a film that insults the woman he respect the most – Bharat Mata? Mother India!
I gave my hand for Mother India. Someone gave his eyes. Saurav Kalia and Lance Naik Hemraj gave their heads. Millions of army men have made enormous sacrifice for Mother India. We only regret that we could not sacrifice more. When we say “Vande Mataram” or “Bharat Mata ki Jai”, we actually mean it. We don’t say for sake of saying.
Our love of Bharat Mata does not arouse or go down with a 15th August or 26th January, or Lata’s “Ae Mere Watan ke logo”, or Rafi’s “Kar chale hum fida”, or scores of such songs. These songs make us happy that at least the civilian Indian whom we are protecting have not forgotten us. Even if someone commercially exploits a “Chak de India” or “Lakshya” we don’t mind. Yes, we do smile because real-life battles are not that glamorous. There is no music of AR Rahman or a song playing in background. There are no slow motions, action stunts, dramatization. We simply fight and if required, we die.
We do so not because it is fun, adventure, exciting, festival or artful. We do because Bharat Mata is actually our mother.
We promise every moment that if ever someone raises a dirty eye at my Mother India, I will gouge that eye out. So far, the enemy across the border or the traitor attempts to raise that dirty eye. And we go to any extent to gouge that eye out, even at cost of death. But when our own country-men ask us to appreciate beauty in the dirty-eye’s scan of Mother, we get confused and disappointed.
For civilians, even patriotism may be a fashion or fun. For us it is the only possession we have. It is the only identity we possess.
We don’t interfere with fun and frolic of civilians regardless of whether we understand them or not. We request you to respect our sentiments as well. Do whatever you want, make whatever film you want. But don’t touch upon the only thing that makes us sentimental. And if you have touched, don’t expect us to not be sentimental.
Feedback:
Fine, you did not like the film. It hurt your sentiments. But why paint everything as bad in the movie? Your vision seems colored. You are being biased due to sentiments. You should be balanced.
Soldier’s Response:
- Soldiers are not trained to be “balanced” in civilian sense. We are trained to choose the right side. We take a decision and move ahead. Because we have to act. We cannot stand still. Civilians take “balanced” in a different sense. They assume that everything has plus and minus. And we should appreciate both and not be one sided.Soldiers go a step ahead. They say: “Fine, there are these pluses and these minuses. Now what do we do?” They weigh the pluses and minuses, and take a decision that best serves the cause. Even civilians do the same. They do when they buy anything. Every product has features and defects. Yet they decide on one. Even if you watched the movie “Haider”, you took a decision by weighing plus and minus of watching the movie.As a soldier, I look into one thing – What does the film lead to? Will it help the cause of Bharat Mata or will it not. I fear, a film written by anti-national with sympathies towards anti-nationals and hatred towards Indian Army can only be detrimental to cause of Bharat Mata. I may have lost my hand, but I cannot stop fighting for my Mother in whatever way I can.
- If Vishal Bhardwaj has liberty to color his vision as per a Basharat Peer or Shakespeare or whatever, even I enjoy the same freedom of creative expression and color my vision accordingly as per my love for my Mother India. Once I am suspicious of anti-national motives of a gang, as a rational human being, and more so as a soldier, I am bound to evaluate every act of his from same perspective. After all, it is matter of my mother! You may differ from me, but then I too have freedom of my creative expressions.
Feedback:
Shahid Kapoor did this film for free.
Soldier’s Response:
If that be so, it is much more serious concern. What would prompt a professional actor to act for free in an anti-national film? To best of our knowledge, Shahid Kapoor has one-third shareholding in film. This is equally worrisome.
Feedback:
Do you deny that army was responsible of tremendous amount of atrocities and had torture camps? They raped women and killed innumerable. They would consider every Kashmiri as a terrorist. The insurgency was a response to this.
Solider’s Response:
All allegations of army conducting rapes and atrocities have been found baseless. Army was simply fighting to death against insurgents. Even Basharat Peer admits that there were huge number of pro-Pakistanis who would shelter militants. The real frustration in all these fake allegations of human rights abuse against Army is because Army would get to each suspect house and nab the terrorists. Obviously, if you know there are 100 terrorists in a village of 200 people, any Army would be a fool to not monitor and do a door-to-door inspection.
And yes, if in India, one boos India, abuses India, eats from India but curses India, then security forces are duty-bound to deal such anti-nationalism with iron-hand. Had we not done so, even the shooting for the film “Haider” would not have been possible in the valley!
Feedback:
Who are you? Which regiment you belonged to? You are lying about being a soldier.
Soldier’s Response:
It does not matter who I am. I am not an individual. I am every soldier who fought in Kashmir, who died in Kashmir, who got handicapped in Kashmir. I am every mother who lost her son, every widow who lost her husband, every child who lost its father because he loved Bharat Mata more than anything else. I am Saurav Kalia who was tortured to death by militants. I am Lance Naik Hemraj who was beheaded by militants.
And from overwhelming support I received from civilians, I am sure I am every Indian who loves India and lives India. Not just like a nation, but Bharat Mata. A real mother. More than a real mother. And who can happily die for India tomorrow.
One more important point
I believe one divergence in understanding my review on Haider comes from a few differences in soldier mind and civilian mind.
- For civilian, especially connoisseurs of modern art and fine tastes, battle-field also is an art. An imagination. For soldier, its a reality. If there are bullet shots in a room filled with people, civilians would run away from the bullets. The soldier would jump towards the bullets. If bullet is being shot to person next to me, a civilian’s immediate instinct would be to be further away from bullet so that even by a miss of aim, he is not hurt. A soldier, on contrary, would jump to cover the person next. Because we are taught that in a battle, I am not important. The person next to me is more important. We are trained to sacrifice self for sake of the other person.That is why we cannot appreciate art for sake of appreciating. We don’t see how we enjoy it. We see, what does it lead to. Nation first, and then self. So if something is against nation, we cannot enjoy the art in that.
- Civilians often state that art and war should be separate. Just because we are at war with Pakistan, it does not imply we should stop cultural and sports relationships. War, or rather politics and culture must be separate. We soldiers fail to understand this logic. Do you want us to play football with those Pakistani soldiers who played football with head of our soldier? Or you want to play football with those who pay money for soldiers who played football with head of our soldier? Or you want to say that we are fighting our war with enemy because of our own desire and you are not on our side? Which means civilians of the country don’t consider us as family members. Are we then soldiers or paid mercenaries in your eyes?Why this duplicity? If someone tries to molest your sister or mother on street or murdered your father, will you play cricket with that neighbor? Even if matter is sub judice and as per your logic cricket and murder of father are separate things. Or will you sing duets with them or invite them to your family functions? Why have a separate set of standards for the nation? The only reason that can be given is that the nation is not your family, the country is not your mother. You simply say so because its fashion, trendy or because everyone else says so.We soldiers have this problem perhaps – that we cannot live with such duplicity. When we say Bharat Mata – we actually mean it is our mother. When we say Nation First – we actually mean nation comes above everything else. When we say, India is my family, we actually mean India is our family and we are the gatekeepers. We expect the rest of the family members inside to back us up, at least emotionally. Even if you don’t, we will continue to fight and die. But we do feel that we deserve some place, some respect, some emotions in your memories even after we are no more there.
Make movie on any subject. Play cricket with anyone. Sing, Dance, Run – do anything. Have happiest and best of lives. Have greatest fun. Enjoy best of luxuries. We really feel happy to see you happy. We are committed to even lay our lives to protect your happiness. Don’t worry and live life to fullest. We will face any temperature, any torture, any challenge, any bomb blast, any gun-firing, any missile for you. But do make us feel part of your family. Don’t choose to have fun with the remorseless enemy. Don’t choose to see art in insult of my Mother. We want nothing else from you.
Jai Hind
Vande Mataram
For original review, please read http://agniveer.com/a-soldier-reviews-haider/
Hello Sir,
Don’t spread wrong information,
Haider is not screened in Jammu & Kashmir, most of them even don’t know about it. and, you declaring Haider a hit in Kashmir Valley.
Army always hide things, I knew it from past. But now, Army men is spreading false or wrong news/information. This is shocking man.
Here is something to know,
There is a men who wants to work to earn his livelihood. So, He joins a mining company. He is informed that his job would have extreme danger and company will insure you always & pay (salary) you well too…
Here, I might sound immoralistic or anti
But, just change that men as soldier & that mining company as Armed Force. Rest you can better understand.
My point where most of you guys won’t agree on it, still bare it…
Both Border post (India & Pakistan) never fired over opposite bunkers instead fired it always on Civilians & other parts. I was surprised to hear that, they were more Civilians who died than Armed Officers.
I don’t know, why Indian Army cannot blast the Bunker Point from where attack over India is taking place.
I heard from some source that, “Kashmir Conflict is a designed plot or Conspiracy planned by both India & Pakistan jointly to gain Political mileage in their respective sides”
I am extremely sorry if my views hurt anybody. My intentions were not wrong, they were just my point of view over subject being debated.
I am ready for any criticism & correction on my comment.
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
You did not read my comment below right. Have you served in Indian army at least for a day. If not S.T.F.U. No one wants to listen to you. You, Vishal Bhardwaj, Basharat Peer, Shahid Kapoor and rest of film Haider film crew go join Indian army. Then we can listen to you,
Thanks for replying man,
If there is a way to become a soldier of our nation for a day, would have tried it.
But, I don’t think so India has such provision.
It is miserable to live life without food & shelter, which still most Indians are leaving b’coz the fund which they deserve atmost goes for feeding Armed Forces.
This is known fact, Indian Army gets worldclass treatment. They even get high quality RUM, SCOTCH & WHISKY(Imported) at free of cost. They live more happy life than any other Indian.
There were many incidents were an Officer shoots or injures himself during conflicts & gain Compensation as well as lifetime pension.
I pity for pvss., who hesitate to declare his own identity.
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
Nitin,
If you think Indian armed forces get first class treatment, then why do not you join Indian Army. It might be true. It is really much better to live life as an army person than living miserable life without food and shelter. Probably it will provide you first hand experience of all the luxury and sacrifices by indian soldiers.
If you do not want to join Indian army, it’s fine. Not everyone is brave enough but at least you should acknowledge and appreciate those people who can make all the sacrifices for the love of their country.
Rishika
Ha ha haa.,
You asked about Bravery,
Person with gun is always brave, Maoist & Terrorist outfits took that bravery in their hand only b’coz of Armed forces retreating/killing them on orders from corrupt politicians.
Don’t ever compare Armed Soldiers bravery to that of Innocent people.
I have more better things to do in my life than just listening some random politician & killing innocent people for no-reason.
Two Armed forces, one killing innocent people on the name of Motherland & other killing people in the name of Jihad/xyz Org”
I don’t see any difference between both Indian Army & Rebellion (Terrorist outfit)
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
@Nitin….Brother…I really pity your knowledge on these issues. You should see some one probably. How can you be so lame??? I mean which world are you from??? Read all your posts/comments and felt aghast that you write such shit comments…If you dont find difference between a millitant and a soldier, probably one should send you on the frontier who is writing these lame comments…Have you ever been to a border before…Have you actually met a soldier??
Let me give you a live case….Have been to Kashmir and that too in a tensed Lal Chowk area…Went on to meet a CRPF jawan in his bunker and told him can we have a snap together?? All he said with courtsey, sir i care for your life. please dont be close to our bunkers as we are always on target and we dont want anything to happen to you…he didnt even asked which religion or caste i belong to?? All he cared is that me and friends shouold be safe and we should maintain distance with them…
@Nitin…Why are you making a mockery of yourself if you dont know facts…Bhai i just cant get over your comments; army men get liquor free of cost and hence they join army..they have a luxurious life…What are your sources that keep mentioning that India and Pakistan plot these fights??Let’s finally hear from you your sources…I wont say I am well read but havent really come across such a source or an article that says everything is fixed to get political mileage???From Whom??from…
Respected sir,
Yes, I called you a ‘sir’ because it is most befitting that I call someone with so much of ignorance and lack of appreciation for the very reason you can sit safely in your home and write this long paragraph against the armed forces in India. Thankyou for your wise words, but I think you are showing the biggest ‘Chutzpah’ over here than those militants killing your saviours.
Sincerely,
A Naval Officer’s and India’s proud daughter.
Nitin,
I am glad that you mentioned that you are open to criticism and ready to correct your comments. It is really good sign and helps in gaining maturity. There is very very big difference between a soldier and a person who works at mine field. Your comment is quite naive and insensitive if you can’t realize the selfless contributions made by a soldier who sacrifices his comforts of home and family life for a life of hardship and danger. It’s their unwavering love for their motherland that spurs them on. The truth cannot be ignored.
PVSS is right. You are not directly touched by war as you are living your life peacefully with all the luxury of your family and therefore, it is really hard for you to grasp the depths of sacrifice, the profound costs that are made for us. These brave men embrace danger and even death willingly for the sake of the country. This country belongs to each and every citizen of India and these brave men with their indomitable will, their stoic courage and their intense love for their motherland make all sacrifices and put their lives at risk.
So next time, when you talk to our soldiers, marines, sailors, or airman, do your country a small favor. Thank them for their selfless services and dedication for the country and let them know that you really appreciate them.
Salute to each and every brave soldier!
Rishika
Thank you Rishika. Very intelligent and sensible reply to Nitin.
@Nitin, Nothing is impossible. If you have braveheart you can make it to Indian Army. Just keep working at it. Your are better than many of those movie actors and directors of Haider. If any one is cashing keeping our motherland in harms way those are the culprits while enjoying sacrifices made by our Indian army. They have no heart and let alone braveheart and they are unfit to even join Indian army, They make these bold experiments wrongly accusing our brave men and women in uniform. It is shameless to even supporting these movie actors, writers and directors.
Hello Rishika & PVSS (person who is ashamed of revealing his name)
It is great to see such a love & compassion for Indian Army from your side.
I too had love & compassion, even when ever I see army officer in uniform I felt proud & safer.
But, that Army for whom most indians used to love & feel for them was dead after 1984 & even more after 1993.
When Armed Officers killed (or Massacred, the word which one shouldn’t use) innocent people with no reason & still happily living their lives with their family & so are still in duty.
If a innocent person dies in the hands of armed officer although by mistake, is reported as “Died person was terrorist, so we killed him”
How can you expect me to like & appreciate them !
Can PVSS who said alot to me to live life of armed soldier, Answer this aptly…
Both Border post (India & Pakistan) never fired over opposite bunkers instead fired it always on Civilians & other parts. I was surprised to hear that, they were more Civilians who died than Armed Officers.
I don’t know, why Indian Army cannot blast the Bunker Point from where attack over India is taking place.
I heard from some source that, “Kashmir Conflict is a designed plot or Conspiracy planned by both India & Pakistan jointly to gain Political mileage in their respective sides”
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
I am not ashamed. I am a civilian. I am every Hindu, every Muslim, every Christian, every Buddhist, every Sikh who love India I am born in India, raised in India, I represent India all over the world. I am a world Citizen. I breath peace, I live for peace and I will fight for peace wherever that may be be it in Gaza, be in Kashmir. I train peace lovers. I have students from all over the world.
Hello PVSS,
Great to hear such great piece of Original saying :p from you.
(Which is as Original as you are in this discussion.)
If you are world citizen than why don’t you talk even in favor of Pakistan & Israel., Just coping line from Quotes is not enough, Prove it.
But, don’t go to conclusion directly from above lines…
Can PVSS, who said alot to me to live life of armed soldier, Answer this aptly…
Both Border post (India & Pakistan) never fired over opposite bunkers instead fired it always on Civilians & other parts. I was surprised to hear that, they were more Civilians who died than Armed Officers.
I don’t know, why Indian Army cannot blast the Bunker Point from where attack over India is taking place.
I heard from some source that, “Kashmir Conflict is a designed plot or Conspiracy planned by both India & Pakistan jointly to gain Political mileage in their respective sides”
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
#Nitin ….. So , Haider was not shot in Kashmir ??? Where are u ??? AGo get some life …. How come some students of Kashmir University threaten the filmmakers for shooting(it’s against Islam and, the filmmakers had the mighty tricolour) …. The army saved them there ….. Much of the part of movie was shot in Kashmir , UNDER THE PROTECTION OF INDIAN ARMY….. You are talking about Indian soldiers not being people friendly ….. They can’t be friends with people who act devil on their back , i.e. who backstab them … No one can be ……
Hello Raj,
There is a big difference between Film Shot & Screening
Haider is not permitted to screen in J&K incl. Kashmir Valley.
Vishal Bharadwaj Shahid Kapur & Other personalities are not common people.
So, it is genuine to secure their lives at such situation.
The friendly nature which Haider crew & cast received, is it available for common people like you & me.
I don’t think so… And in return how much did Army charged Producer for providing Shooting Permission in Valley.
“Enemies Enemy is my Friend” I hope you heard this quote.
Ex; China being India’s Enemy. So, Pakistan and China became friends.
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
where is the Martand Temple? and you don’t have to use a fake name , this takkiya will work only in Kahsmir.. if you know anything about Kahsmir give a response in Kashmir and then we will talk.
hi mr NITIN i read most of ur above comments. i am really surprised to hear that indian army personnels are getting world class treatment . let me make you clear some of ur misleading facts …the rum and whisky u r talking about is not available to everyone free of cost.it depends upon the condition of terrain where a person is posted…u dnt join the indian army just try out some simple experiment related to daily life of a soldier…just confined urself in aroom of 1o by 10
Hi Nitin & Neeraj…!
Reading all your so called realism & reformist views on Indian army…i can only say one thing ” your father should have wasted both of you in bathroom”…who are you to question Indian army when you seem to me as a paid stooge of film’s PR cell or a separatist sympathizer…go and stand on LOC with ur back facing POK….and then we will see how u voice ur so called shameless rhetoric…..Its only coz of Indian army…Kashmir regained its glory & Bast##rds like you are alive to comment on a blog …else you would have been serving some Mulla by now…Get it right in your head…Its the prime sacrifice Army does …which losers like you will never understand….u retard..it’s a waste to even respond to u sick mentalities…..better you should be send to Pakistan n be left rotten to die there….Long live Indian army…Jai Hind..!
hahaha !!!
Superb reply Yuvraj….Hats off to you….
Nitin, you must be a fake name, else your hindu mother would have cut your throat! you need not go to elsewhere near to POK facing Pak troops, try to face someone attacking your wife girl friend, at least not your mother, for any mother we do have respect. I am sure you would flee from the site your sister or girl friends are being molested.
you are a coakroch who doesn’t have skeleton, you are a man without skeleton. if you have guts, face me. kidhar se paida hua tu? gaand se?
http://topyaps.com/know-about-indian-soldiers-in-siachen
For the person who said being soldier was as good as getting a job in the mine !!!
All the people who criticize Indian Army, should serve in Army in the same harsh conditions fighting terrorists, at least for a day before they can criticize.
This is similar to asking a random cricket match viewer to play the same match in the same conditions as Sachin does before passing a comment on the way he should have played……There are no qualifications to passing an opinion…..A wise professor once said…… “If a devil is narrating scriptures….screw the devil….take the scriptures”…..similarly if unqualified person is passing an opinion/comment, forget the person….look at the argument or opinion and accept it, if valid and true…..a person’s identity need not necessarily drive the acceptance of truth…..Just a different view and not intended to hurt your sentiments….very often in life, people preach or pass opinions on things they dont know/dont qualify to comment on….but that doent necessarily make the argument or opinion unqualified/bad….accept and digest it, if it makes sense…..
The problem is devil cannot narrate scriptures hate lovers cannot preach peace, separatists cannot unify. Only peace lovers can bring peace ultimately by whatever means that’s possible. Only unifier can unite country. You are not understanding the intensity of the issue at stake here. It’s our motherland’s security and integrity and our brave soldiers reputation at stake. We don’t care if it’s pure fiction, sport fun or entertainment But twisting facts or leaving facts and making rights wrong or wrongs right will help terrorists which our soldiers need to clean up sacrificing their lives unless you want to keep these artists and art lovers at frontline.
That was a really sensible comment. I was getting really effed by the “serve in the Army to comment on the Army”!
For people getting “effed” of comments saying live a soldiers life before you say, let’s have a small roleplay.
Your neighbour asks you to play cricket on his/her behalf you will do it.But if your neighbour will ask you
to look after his/her family (and no special safeguards for your own family) at the risk of your own life, will you do it?
With the same fervour as for a cricket match? Heck you probably wouldn’t have gone for the match if they said you might get
killed by some freak bouncer.You would think about your family.
A soldier has to do that for all men of his/her country (not just a neighbour, even those you openly disregard them)You can live if you don’t have cricketers around and no cricket matches too.
Say the same thing for the military and soldiers and you will realise the difference. If you don’t then listen/translate “Ae mere watan ke logo…” by Lata Mangeshgar it will help you understand a bit more.
That is the difference between someone commenting on a cricketer and a soldier. I agree there might have been instances where “soldiers” killed people but you can’t undermine the fact that there are many
others there to keep us safe at their own risk.Please respect that.
I am indian citizen but currently living in the United States. I am surprised to see how american citizens treat their soldiers. Americans have very high and deep regards for their military. More than 80% of US adults think that members of the armed forces contribute a lot to society’s well being. Based on the contributions to the society, military tops the list of occupational groups, followed closely by teachers, medical doctors, scientists and engineers. In US, military officers are regarded as having one of the most prestigious jobs. It is all because of their love and selfless contributions for their motherland. I truly respect their sentiments.
I am sure no one can dare to have “Haider” type of movie for US army scenario and that is the case for most western countries. It won’t happen at first place as public will never let it happen. I am puzzled why Indian Army did not check the production of this movie that is so biased and demoralizing to Indian soldiers. Why this type of movie is not critically reviewed before it gets released.
Rishika
Hello Rishika,
You brought the discussion over comparison between American Military & Indian Military.
The major difference between both Military is being People friendly. American Military men or Officer are people friendly. They don’t attack their own country men. Whereas Indian Military are puppets under corrupt politicians. If ordered to beat or retreat unarmed civilians., they never feel sad & even sympathetic over their sin.
Indian Army might have secured us, still they are responsible in killing thousands of our Indians for no proper reason. 1984 in Delhi & Punjab and 1993 in Kashmir Valley.
You still want to back Indian Army, you can Rishika
But, People like me who saw Army retreating/killing innocent people who sat on agitation for their right is unforgettable for me.
You had not actually read my scenario in my last comment;
Both Border post (India & Pakistan) never fired over opposite bunkers instead fired it always on Civilians & other parts. I was surprised to hear that, they were more Civilians who died than Armed Officers.
I don’t know, why Indian Army cannot blast the Bunker Point from where attack over India is taking place.
I heard from some source that, “Kashmir Conflict is a designed plot or Conspiracy planned by both India & Pakistan jointly to gain Political mileage in their respective sides”
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
Hi Nitin,
been through some of your comments, what is it, why are you dead against Indian Army.
Were you a victim of atrocities of Indian army, or any of your families members were affected by them. if Yes, please let us know.(I know this is a bit personal, but may be we can understand your point of view better if can tell us some information about incidents affecting them)
and please do share your source you keep mentioning in following statement
“I heard from some source that, “Kashmir Conflict is a designed plot or Conspiracy planned by both India & Pakistan jointly to gain Political mileage in their respective sides””
because the allegation you are putting based on SOME SOURCE are pretty serious. this would mean that the three wars India had with Pakistan, and the creation of Bangladesh and not to forget Kargil WAR were all just to gain political advantage over Kashmir.
Thanks
Yash
Mr. Nitin,
hahaha !!! You need to get your facts correct. You are such a moron. Their is pure lack of information at your end. Go and visit BOPs personally then you will realize how many bullets are fired on each other’s bunkers and don’t question power of Indian Army; they are not the authority to decide, if they were; then by now you would have not found Pakistan in world map.
Sorry……. if your belong to Pakistan….;)
using fake soldiers name and providing false information !!! Good go !!!
Why don’t you go wipe a$$e$ of Vishal Bhardwaj, Basharat Peer, Shahid Kapoor as you have their correct names instead of wasting time here if you have no sentiments for our brave soldiers hearts!
on the contrary your name is fake ! ISIS supporter Kashmiri separatist
Sir,
I like the way you have justified your emotional reasons for the review you have given. You have completely liberty to have your view.
One thing that still bothers me in your review
Quote: “As a soldier, I look into one thing – What does the film lead to? Will it help the cause of Bharat Mata or will it not”
Do you do this with every movie you watch? Is every movie intended to help the cause of Bharat Mata? There are so many movies out there which do nothing to help our country( may be generate 100 crores revenue and in turn taxes which may or may not be are used to fund the Indian Army and other important initiatives)….
About what a film leads to……is a very sensitive and subjective matter…and each segment of users will see the cause-effect differently…..As much as I respect your explanation, its represents the view of an important segment of the nation but not the only one…….nevertheless, thank you for your review and I will look forward to your review on the next movie you may watch…..
I do not think any the author of this blogger looks at every film with a view point of what it does to help the cause of “Bharat Mata”, beause every film is not so rabidly anti Indian!
The movie degrades people who stood up for India in Kashmir and admires every one for whom India is Haram and Indians are dogs. On top of that this movie even degrades Hindus by making one of their ancient temples as abode of “Shaitaan”, What would have happened if some Masjid or Church was depicted as Shaitaan? Say for example Hazaratbal! There would have been massacres in Kashmir and riots all over India.
This movie is highly irresponsible piece of crap.
I’m not surprised to see the nations state when we have such idiots like Nitin. I am son of an ex-army soldier. Do you know what we lost when my dad was posted in army for 24 yrs. My sisters and me, lost 14 yrs of childhood love and affection from my Dad. Do you know the value of it?? Not me alone, there are millions of families that way in this country. I am very fortunate that my dad was not injured or killed in the war, but not many are as fortunate as me. Imagine their loss. So, don’t degrade their sacrifices and services with your useless arguments. FYI. my dad worked for ASC and my uncle for MEG.
Vandemataram.
Hello Raj,
Every Critics is not Anti-Nation,
Every Anti-Nation can’t be Critic.
Here there is no question about at what conditions soldiers or officers are working.
If you can’t understand one single point, don’t atall reply.
When Innocent Die in the hands of Army Men, they say “He was terrorist, so we killed him”
Do not forget Army is puppet of Govt. Of India., During 1984 in Delhi & Punjab and 1993 in Kashmir Valley who killed whom ?
Was it not Indian Army men involved in Massacare of Hundered & Thousands of People with no reason.
I understand your pain, Missing your father in your childhood is extremely bad. But, this story is now in every house.
Un employment made people to stay away from their family & houses, this doesn’t happen only to Army Men’s family but even for other families too..
My Uncle who earns his livehood in abroad, he hardly gets vacation to meet his kids. Here atleast, Army officer gets holiday to spend with family.
I request you, to ask below question to your father & then reply.
Both Border post (India & Pakistan) never fired over opposite bunkers instead fired it always on Civilians & other parts. I was surprised to hear that, they were more Civilians who died than Armed Officers.
I don’t know, why Indian Army cannot blast the Bunker Point from where attack over India is taking place.
I heard from some source that, “Kashmir Conflict is a designed plot or Conspiracy planned by both India & Pakistan jointly to gain Political mileage in their respective sides”
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
Dear Nitin,
I may not be the best fan of Country-ism or murder (of any means) neither have i watched the movie to comment on that, Quoting some movie I had seen, just answer a question of mine,
where do u feel safer to be in,
a) in the company Indian Army
b) in the company neighbour’s army
c) in the company of militants
you may / may not wish to answer and may even differ from mine. But for me that answer is (a), and I wish / adore Indian Army and their presence for not letting this madness from spreading from Kashmir to Kerala. For letting me have a peaceful home where no one would try to push ideologies down my throat. 🙂
Said that, peace be with you…. 🙂
Thanks,
Renjith
@Nitin: your comparison of your uncle not being able to see his family because he is abroad is so lame. please ask him to come back home and join Indian Army. As per you(mentioned in other comments) Army Officers are well paid, they enjoy on Taxpayers money, and also get good holidays to see their family. But there is one thing your uncle should be able to do, should know how to dodge the Enemy bullets, should have the courage to risk his life for the man standing next to him
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In reply to…
I would just like to say that I completely agree with you on this review. I am with Indian Army and am proud to have protectors like you. Leave this disgraceful film behind and watch movies like “Holiday” which make us proud to be an indian and have indian army. Grand Salute to you and our nation! Jai Hind!
This is really sad that idiots like nitin kumar exists n also vishal bhardwaj who couldn’t see wat he is making or could see but had malign intentions…is it possible that movie was secretly funded by some militants… now an average muslim cant afford to sit quite… they must show thier lotalty to secularism or go to Pakistan. …if they want that…but there also they wont be welcomed…
.i genuinely respect indian army who are protecting us by putting astake of their lives. …
No Problem atall when you called me Idiot, might be you couldn’t understand my point.
I don’t know about funding for film, but film was shoot in the security of Indian Army Officer.
In film, it was not Army they were police men.
Author (Agniveer) has made a big fool of himself, in film there was no scene of Army men. It was complete police men.
Agniveer spoiled the plot by referring that “Police Men is nothing but Army Officer”
Agniveer could keep it silent by just saying it was police men, but he spoiled it completely by accepting the plot referring to Army Men.
The big Why Haider was not banned b’coz it had no Army scene dragged in story & smatly replaced with Police Men.
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
no these r not Nitin or Neeraj they just here on payroll, they are Naqab,Nawab,eveif they are really Nitin and Neeraj, rest is you all are enough mature to understand, time to ensure ourselves that we are dealing with Cancer, so first thing is when we recognize it in early stage we have to first recognize its presence in our body, secondly we have 2 see if we can deal with it on prescription or a surgery is unavoidable, if latter is advised on the risk of even life, we have to ready to go through it, bcoz in that case there is chance we survive but if we do not and remain in fear, death is our only fate, so be bold and take challenge, if we could generate the “COURAGE” only let alone these goons no devil power on earth can face us, we will crush them forever, remember we are doing it from centuries and we will do it now too
Sir,
I salute the nationalism you paint yourself in. I am not sure how well informed you are but still, as per the picture you paint about the Indian Army it seems to be a perfect organization. I am not an armyman, neither a government official but have lived inside a lot of cantonments and have very closely observed the lifestyles of the Indian Armed Forces. Based on my observations, the indian army also has a lot of curropt Officers. The curroption prevalent in CSD, AOC, AMC, ASC and EME are not a secret anymore.
Now talking of human rights, let me remind that the kind of devide army has for officers, JCOs and NCOs in humane, it is a british era implemetation that officers get “Helpers” who at a lot of places are treated no better than a slave. The number of solder sucides has increased to altime high. The british era code of cunduct has to be abbolished. The quality and quantity of ration that army supplies to offices and others has a big gap.Do sepoys, NKs and LNKs have no human rights.
Said that, my opinion is Indian army is as curropt as any other organization in this nation. People in armed forces may have raped women and killed innocent.
I understand that you have lost your hand in fighting for the nation, but it was a proffesional choise you made and that’s what you were and still are paid for, from the taxpayers money. And yes, don’t sell this crap that the armymen don’t work for money, army officers draw a heavy pay check from goverment and not to mention the golf corses and lavish clubs.
Now stop selling your propoganda on the name of this shitty peice of art. You need professional psycologist to assit you.
I know you don’t have the balls to keep this comment on you blog but thats ok.
Hello Neeraj,
I too agree on your point, but let we cut the argument here itself.
We need to build an example to the world. Let we work on Army Reforms.
Do read my comment below…
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
Neeraj:
The fact that our soldiers made a professional choice to serve the country to protect from foreign militants, terrorists, separatists both inside and outside country. The fact that they decided to keep the sovereignty and safety of our motherland above their own mothers, families and their own lives. The fact that they are ready to jump into action when the situation needs is worthy enough for enough for us to show respect ,dignity and honor above all the pay they deserve. They don’t need to get wounded or get killed to receive the honor they deserve. Moreover it is in our country’s best interests they don’t get wounded or get killed as much as possible and as long as possible unless it is necessary in the battle which our soldiers don’t hesitate for a fraction of a second to do so. You cannot even imagine how many scores of militants or terrorists lives each and every one of our soldiers take along with them before they get wounded or get killed. Our enemies cannot think about looking towards our motherland even in their next N number of lives in hell. So G.T.F.o.H. No one has time to listen to you.
@Neeraj
Based on my observation of your observations, I have come to the conclusion that your observations need some real sharpening.
Dear Neeraj,
Fun is the first word which came into my head while i read your review.
Still just for my understanding, if i offer you an business deal in Rs hope you wont mind forgoing a hand of yours? forget hand, how about a finger?
Do let me know 🙂
A couple more of points,
a) Corruption is omnipotent. Indian cricket players are corrupt, dont u still love cricket?
b) Pay check. A software engineer with his years of exp in the industry similar to a senior military officer would draw million more. Thats exactly the reason why u dont see military officals driving away in BMWs and Mercs, while you see teen aged children of software engineers does. So saying a decision just for monetary is absolute stupidity, or rather awkward as it shows you still dont no the world or failed an entrance test to Indian Armed forces.
c) totally accept the helpers piece and as far as I know, army is already working on the same, while the same have been eradicated in Naval and Air force…
Hello Agniveer & all Commentors,
This will be never ending story,
One criticizing Indian Army,
Other criticizing Art of Film.
First of all, people who seen the film said me that It was police men then why you were comparing it with Indian Army.
People like you & me, knew the reality so we took that plot referring to Army Men, but not Police Men.
People in India are not even aware of Kashmir situation & AFSPA (chutSPAh) doing damage to Kashmiri’s.
So, Be responsible Indians., if we start doing this it would lead to public debate & truth would be out.
Sometimes it is better to hide truth for sake of peace.
Let we all take a step to solve it rather just arguing for them. Indian Army need reform to be best Army in the world.
Let we make ourself aware of that, and Contribute in a forum talk in building a longterm solution for Problems in Indian Army.
Let me know, who are interested in the forum by replying on this comment.
Thanks,
Nitin Kumar
[email protected]
There are so many comments attacking on all possible aspects of Army. Starting from the “luxuries”, “atrocities”, “agendas”, “corruption”, “credentials of the writer” and the list goes on…and the reason…. well the movie hurt “patriotic sentiments”.
Mr. Writer, if your “religious sentiments” were hurt you would not have seen such superfluous and hypocritical comments. No one would “DARE”. But you see, these are “patriotic sentiments” which can be easily questioned and written off.
If you take a survey you will still find people who will strongly justify how jaichand was right in supporting Ghori.
All that these white collared bas**** have got is “words”, which are necessarily not a check of their character. So to make their opinion sound “unique”, “path-breaking” and “independent” these fools can go to any extent and write any BS to show off how different and unique they are in their thinking.
Cant blame them, just express my sympathy for their shallowness or should i say hollowness?
Qualities of such people are:
– Not questions asked if one militant killing 100 soldiers but they will question 100 soldiers if they kill one militant(human rights violations you see!)
– Slience If pak army commits atrocities but they certainly will question even if there is an allegation against Indian Army.
– They will keep mum on Kashmiri Pandits but they will be very vocal for Kashmiri Muslims.
– They sit and watch the stone pelting in Kashmir for days but flood the social networking sites with comments if army takes an action.
– They do not have sympathy if a 16 year old attacks and kills the army personnel but they certainly have their reservations when army kills a 16 year old.
All I can say is I am a son of army man and i am proud of you all in spite of all the problems and shortcomings you guys are facing at organizational, operational and political level.
I have not seen Haider and don’t intend to. I do appreciate the hardships our military is undergoing to protect the borders. However, my difference of opinion is in what they protect. It is not merely geographical boundary but a way of life. That includes freedom to express what could be most offensive of thoughts. In that context, I would say we should not censor Haider. Then we are no different from them and the soldiers would really have died in vain.
Mr. Hari,
I believe the soldier has addressed exactly the argument you have made, in his above article.
Your right to wave your hand ends where my nose begins.
Cheers.
@nitin big difference between the work of defence forces and civilian work, an odd civilians work too.In minning all labours go into mine so many safety precautions n any mishappening happens suppose a labour died.so his family within 24 hours get 5lacs as compensation within 7 days PF cleared and other compensation enquiry against the mining safety officer. But defence personnel still waiting for PF,COMPENSATION OMPENSATION etc.They have written letters with their blood too to give their dues to them still these things pending with different state.Now lets have simple example minning labour goes with a torch on the head into mine which has approximate 10 hours of charge and his shift will be only 8 hours.what is the shift of an soldiers 24*7.because a soldier may be on 9 or 12 hours shift but available when needed too.even without bullet proof jacket. N labour can deny for any reson not going into mine but soldiers goes into war with their will to fight for country without denial.
@nitin more about odd jobs we have seen so many IPS OFFICIERS denying hard area posting why coz they just want to do job not to serve nation. But in defence forces it’s very very rarely. Even they deny any reson their will be enquiry and may be not get it. N 99.99% all the defence personnel wants hard area posting my friend Major in army used to tell his commanding officer Sir my most of batch mates got good posting (hard area) when i will get, i have not joined defence for desk job sir. This is the spirit of defence personnel. You can’t even compare it with any odd civilians job. If you have problems with 1993 n 1984 then make you remind army has nothing to do with situations of these. When situation become worst army marches they follow orders given by the politicians selected democraticly by people of India. Ask any defence strategic analysts in the world If army is not there in J&k there will not be any J&k on face of earth. It will be some state governed by some…
The last comment by Bravo, says it all…it is not all one and the same…. The army and other professions of the world…it is difficult to compare…these are totally different things altogether! I am not sure, but if someone is ready to pay me or my family 100 Million or for that matter 100 Billion, and ask me to go to the battlefront to die, I don’t think I would ever go. I think it is much more than the money thing….. Just the money, Just scotch whisky, Just some discounted grossary at military canteen. & other perks… I wouldn’t think……that can make somebody prepare to fight hard & die on the battlefront!!! There is something else….something more…….something that comes from deep within….. and I guess that’s what we call love for the motherland.
Dear Nitin and Neeraj (I am unsure if the both of you need to be addressed separately 😉 – The fundamental issue here is Islamic terrorism and ethnic cleansing of non-islamic minorities wherever the muslims are abundant, and prevention/retaliation always brings about their complaints at being oppressed. It is interesting that Kashmir had no such truck with militancy and its consequences from 1948 till the mid-80s, and had no desire to complain/protest before that. Insurgency is the cause, and not the result of your beloved Chutzpah, and you know where you can stuff your love of art. It’s always easy to exploit a tolerant community, and that’s why India is a good target. Try to make a single film about the islamic genocide, even martyrdoms of the Sikh gurus, and you’ll demonstrate that your nutsack is not filled with clay.
Hello Sir,
First of all I salute you for your service to the nation and the fact you gave an arm for our safety. Really you are our real life hero.
On the film, I have some questions to ask. I saw the movie and liked it. Does that make me anti national or make my respect for the armed forces any lesser? I would like to understand which particular parts you found anti national?
You faced the terrorists in Kashmir and hence you would have a strong point of view in this regard. We…
As a civilian, I am also entitled to a view though I respect yours.
There have been so many movies showing the bravery and pain of the Indian army and their families and we celebrated them. However Kashmir is also India, Kashmiris are Indians. The unmarked mass graves are also true, innocents getting killed is true, army men facing strong disciplinary actions is true as well. Why is it anti national, if one movie shows the other point of view?
Also I did not find it demeaning the Indian army but showed the situation as it is.
Bharat Mata is made not only with the army, but also with civilians that include Kashmiris too. What is your view on what was shown in the movie? Were they false or had grains of truth?
Yes, that is what I have been wondering…. Why are people reacting so badly to a dissent in opinion?
Just the fact that there is such overwhelming support for an arrogant Army Officer who keeps demarcating himself from Civilians in every breath, justifies the portrayal of the other side of the picture. That is exactly what Haider did.
In fact, I dare say that Haider only under represents the problem.
@nitin : Just join NCC have army attachment camps and you will attach your self your whole life …
Weather it is screened to be in valley or not is not the question the question is what they choose to be …
That place were heaven most prosprous on earth and they choose to be hell. AND why not hamlet be a KSAHMIRI PANDIT or a maiost … why a basterd kasmari … Any way you will only understand once your dear one will die either in terrirism or in war (may be cross fire) … aamem ….
was following this blog post since last few days. and after reading all the comments and discussion one thing is quite clear that this nitin is hired PR machinery of some anti nationalist. he says that the border problem between India pak is just for political mileage. that’s the most hilarious comment I heard ever. can you please explain what mileage did any political party gain. and regarding the luxurious life at army……
. well I wish you had ever understood the reason. what luxury do…
MULLA IN THE GARB OF NITIN listen this country is not ur father’s property who r u to give anti indian army comment first learn some basic facts about the life of a army man and as for ur casuistry that this haider crap is not a hit in valley try to read some newspapers of around 27 oct to 31 oct. u r a coward if u have courage tell us ur real name.
Agniveer, your display of pride of being a soldier of Indian Army and your love for your country is nauseating. I am sure India can do without soldiers like you who are so steeped in self glory. Please remember – the army is for the country, the country is not for the army.
Just because someone did not choose to join the army. doesn’t make him any less Inidan. Throughout your narrative you use the word civilians as if they are inferior creed. Yougetpaid even after youretire when civilians…
I ask everyone to look up Abū-Tāhir Al-Jannābī. He is the man who stole the black stone from mecca and used it as a toilet. This is a factual event that took place, and no birds with stones or any of that nonsense happened. And now millions kiss that same stone that was used as a toilet. Very interesting.
Nitin’s reply methodology reminds me about Goebbels theory
I feel the below mentioned repeated comments, he made it deliberately with a purpose.
Both Border post (India & Pakistan) never fired over opposite bunkers instead fired it always on Civilians & other parts. I was surprised to hear that, they were more Civilians who died than Armed Officers.
I don’t know, why Indian Army cannot blast the Bunker Point from where attack over India is taking place.
I heard from some source…
that, “Kashmir Conflict is a designed plot or Conspiracy planned by both India & Pakistan jointly to gain Political mileage in their respective sides”
He is trying to push those comments in to our throats.
Never mind the negative comments, Indian army. And there is no use in people trying to enlighten such people; it’s a waste of time. Let them have their opinions. I think they are a jealous lot. They are jealous of the Indian Army and the respect it receives. They can’t achieve anything comparable with what these people (Army) have achieved with their lives, even in their dreams. So they are now trying to undermine the achievements of the Indian Army. Their opinions does’nt change anything.
Salute to you, we are with you forever, we are proud of our Indian Army, I watched the movie and because then I was not aware of what is going on in the country till recently, I myself took it casually though I was not happy while watching the movie, something was disturbing and many moments came, when I personally recall, which put me at unease how maliciously portray India and its army but now when I know what is happening in country, how Jehadi forces are being promoted, backed by ISI/Saud/West nexus and funded by them with the help of local forces you know whom i am referring to(Cong/Mullas-maulvi/Jehadi forces/AAP/LEFT its political wings/Marxists/Communists which include all/foreign paid Media/foreign paid Judiciary/DFN) for many decades in the garb of democracy, sole purpose is to disintegrate India, Dismantle its unity which lies in its Hindu Dharma, Tradition and one other hurdle in the way is Its Forces highly backed by people love, respect and devotion into them, thus they want to finish Hinduism, Hindus and turn India into either Christianity or Islam then their own fight will start for absolute authority and they are leaving no stone unturned for achieving their targets though in the garb of many different political correct term, secondly they want to dismantle the forces and to defame it is the easiest way to shake its ground on which it stand that is people backing because they can not fight straight to both invincible forces thus these trick into play
but I know you are least bother of these internal traitors you(our forces) just focus on the traitor outside of our reach, leave these internal Jaichands and viruses for us, we if need arise can take care of all these internal insects beyond anyone s imagination for the sake of the security of our mother land and for that cause we all are on same page, but BTW the good thing did this movie was give us a glimpse of the bastards in our own sleeves, now we can deal with them effectively easily, we all will do this without seeking any reward in return you with outsider snakes and we with insider snakes, only reward will be Veer Gati while saving our Mother
and just overlook the comments they are either deliberated or by some who still are ignorant of the situation and still leaving their own world
…Bharat Mata Ki Jai
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