A key objective of Agniveer site was to present a platform for logical and matured discussions on topics that influence our activities and mindsets the most. We have obtained significant success in this area and hence the comments section of the site in itself has become a storehouse of valuable information and analyses that is not easily found elsewhere in the cyberspace. However, there have also been cases of several visitors using this opportunity for mud-slinging and abusive comments. When one looks at such comments, one cannot help conclude that as a society, perhaps we have not matured enough to deal with differing views in a responsible and objective manner. We seem to be bugged by ‘I am good, you are villain, I shall abuse villain’ syndrome. There is nothing wrong in assertively defending one’s beliefs and ideology. There is nothing wrong in countering the opposing viewpoints. But when these views-counterviews stoop to level of filthy abuses and hate speech, then it is obvious that we have drifted apart from our original mission of “Accepting Truth, rejecting falsehood” and “Tolerance for all”. It then means that we are not viewing entire humanity as one single family.

We are proponents of free speech and hence rarely moderate comments. But we surely do not want abusive comments to turn off the more matured visitors to the site. We may allow abuses hurled at Agniveer but would definitely not want abusive ridiculing comments made on others. We thus appeal to all visitors to show your might through logic and facts instead of abusive remarks. For most of us, our beliefs are like our own babies. We would defend them to death and would be irritated by slightest questioning of them. We are overprotective of our beliefs like we protect our babies. Only matured people are able to dissociate themselves and their ego from their beliefs and are able to evaluate them logically. Agniveer was wrong in its assessment that most netizens discussing such serious topics have reached this maturity. And thus we appeal to all to observe some sensitivity while dealing with differing views. You may have cornered someone with evidences and facts to admit that his or her viewpoint was fallacious or having inherent contradictions. But still they would persist to defend their babies. We would request you to provide some space to the person so that he does not feel humiliated or defensive. Even Manu Smriti states that we should never ridicule or insult the defeated and instead make friends with them and try to win their hearts.  After all despite everything, they are still our own family! Logic combined with a little compassion may do the trick instead of dry arguments. 🙂

To ensure that we facilitate this spirit of compassionate friendly debates, as well as keep abusive hatred away and at the same time not restrict freedom of expression, we have thought of a few steps:

a. We have already activated Facebook comments on the site. To comment through this, you must be logged in to your Facebook account in the browser.

Benefits – You can like the posts sing the Like button. You can share your comment on your Facebook profile as well using the option provided. And when someone replies to your comment on Facebook, the comment would appear on Agniveer.com site as well! This would promise a more engaging discussion across a wider audience.

b. In a phased manner, we are planning to implement the renowned Disqus commenting system on the site.

Benefits –

1. With Disqus, you would have to be logged to either Facebook, Twitter, Google, Disqus, OpenId or Yahoo to comment. You can also comment as a Guest but then you would have to add your name and email every time you make a comment. This would ensure that comments are made a bit more responsibly. However your account passwords will not be stored on site and would be complete secure.

2. With social integration, you can share your and others’ comments on Facebook, Twitter etc.

3. You can rate the comments made by others.

4. You can reply to comments directly by email as well.

5. The commenting system would become real-time and as and when someone makes a comment on the post you commented on, you would get an update immediately. So it would act like a chat.

6. There would be better spam control and security.

You can review more features at http://disqus.com

We would like to have your feedback on these before we move ahead so that we have adequately evaluated all pros and cons.

When we finally migrate to Disqus, there may be disruption in commenting service temporarily. But Facebook Comments would still work. After all existing comments have been imported and synced, in case we face some unresolvable technical glitch in implementation of Disqus, we would roll back to native commenting system in worst case. We shall ensure that we do not lose existing comments.

So kindly share your views on this. And regardless of technological aids, we would urge you all to exercise enhanced maturity and compassion in comments. Lets focus on winning hearts rather than only arguments. Lets be one family! And jointly seek wisdom!

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  • @Agniveer
    “Yes there are rebuttals and we did not bother to publish rebuttals to these rebuttals because these were extremely frivolous”

    1H & 3W

    Q1. How do you come to conclusion rebuttals are extremely frivolous? Any evidence will help 🙂

    Q2. Who are you pointing to as “WE”?

    Q3. What evidence you have Vedas were given to Rishis?

    Q4 Where are their existence during the time?

    Thank you

    • @Mirror:

      Kindly read the original comment by Indian Muslim, 3 paras before the stated sentence and 3 paras after the stated sentence. That would help you prepare more relevant questions in given context.

      But don’t expect us to answer everything under the sky. Refer the header section: “We are not here to provide answers to all your questions. We are here to help you ask the right questions to discover the answers that already lie within you.”

      The other visitors on the site may volunteer to provide dedicated help to you from this point onwards.

      Blessings
      Admin

      • @agniveer

        “But don’t expect us to answer everything under the sky. Refer the header section: “We are not here to provide answers to all your questions. We are here to help you ask the right questions to discover the answers that already lie within you.”

        So am I right to say you have just posted the articles based on your
        own theory. Where is your integrity then on proving authenticity of the comments you post?

        I expect answers from you because you have confidently posted your critics. So why dont you enlighten
        from what certified source you get this answers and questions I have raised. It clears the argument then.

        Thank You.

      • @Mirror

        I think other visitors on the site may volunteer to clear your confusions. Meanwhile, if you have any specific reference to point where we abused Muslim community or their idols inadvertently, kindly point that.

        The source of our articles is logic, common sense and reasoning. Beyond that we have referred to published texts from established Islamic publication houses, for articles pertaining to Islam. If you want a formal debate, please refer http://agniveer.com/terms/eligibility-rules-for-debate/

        If you don’t qualify, we strongly urge you to take guidance from other scholars visiting Agniveer site. Being specific would help. And also use your own fundamental right to freedom of expression to start a site expressing your own views.

        We sincerely bless you with all success.

        Aamin (derived from Aum)
        Admin

      • but there is no box on agniveer about satyagni updates!!

        many people come to agniveer by search also but less go to satyagni..

        there should be a box on agniveer…

        “satyagni updates”

    • Namaste Mirror

      Q1)Those so called “rebuttals” are not to be taken seriously by us because their articles expose the lack of knowledge of the authors themselves. However, it is treated as a freedom of speech. If you or any of your authors of those rebuttals want to debate Agniveer Admin, then you are most welcome ensuring that you fulfil the neccessary criteria.

      Now you may say if its all about freedom of speech, then why criticize Naik? This is because Naik has taken his illogical views too seriously and tries to fool many innocent people. Many of Naik audience are illiterate and have no knowledge of Vedas, Science, and even Quran. Naik openly insults prophet mohammad and muslims end up clapping, thats the type of a person Naik is!!!

      So this site is to educate every hindu, so they can easily rip Naik’s false propaganda anytime anywhere, and look around you, this site is creating effect, since Naik has started to change his parroted verses in his lectures.

      We did challenge Naik for a debate, we even fulfilled all his required criteria but he still refused. So now, we do not have any plans to further drag Naik to debate us, instead the purpose of this site is to make every single hindu an AGNIVEER so Naik will never find audiences again to listen to his stupidity unless we want a comedy show then for the sake of entertainment we would love to show up

      So if you want to debate our seniors, fulfil the criteria, and I promise you UNLIKE NAIK we will not refuse especially after fulfilling our critera.

      Q2)We means all of us in general who believe in common sense.

      Q3) and Q4)
      your answers lie in these series of articles:

      http://agniveer.com/category/top-solutions/vedas/

      especially read the articles like “orgin of vedas”, “eternity of Vedas”, “what are Vedas”, “relgion of Vedas”,

      I ensure you that they will answer your questions

    • Dear truthseeker,

      1. All the authentic literature has been tested and authenticated by scholars from time to time. Various Shrutis, Shastras etc have been well autheticated.
      2. Ved ( knoweldge) is immortal and exists with God, nature and life. The existing knowledge has been organized in form of Vedas by Rishi’s.
      Now Ravan’s 10 heads represent his wisdom and sharp brain. He had deep knowledge of 4 Vedas and 6 Sharstras.
      When Muslims invaded India, perhaps, idol worship developed at that time. Every virtue of God (Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, Ganesh, Inder, Varun etc.) was imagined as figure and later became popular due to illiteracy ( of sanskrit). Similar representations have led to various idols and Purans etc. These are not mentioned in vedic texts.

  • @Indian Muslim:

    Becoz, the reports of the witnesses for the event are not verifiable,

    I am not a Christian. But I am sure Christians who want to defend and spread their faith on the weight of their miracles will take issues with your statement above. You have an agenda to push. So, I am unlikely to take your word as the unbiased last word on Christian miracles claims.

    unlike in the moon split event which is transmitted by many narrators who were companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

    a) What gave Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) the confidence to say “Be Witnesses” before others if the event did not really happen. ?
    b) Moon splitting is not something that one can use to trick others like magic. Were the Arabs of the time that foolish to be tricked by such an incident ?

    (a)How do you know Mohammed said that? You are relying on the Quran/Hadiths. I do not believe in their veracity. If you want me to accept this as objective truth you need to prove this via *deductive* means that are outside of the Quran/Hadiths. Do you have any such proofs? I thought I already addressed this issue in my earlier post when I talked about circular logic. Didnt you understand that?

    (b)How do you know all Arabs accepted the claim of Mohammed? Any proof?

    On the claims of miracles by others, yes, I do not rule out the possibility of miracles of other religions.

    Are there any miracles of other religions that you believe in? What conclusions do you draw from such miracles? Remember – people of other religions do NOT believe in “La Ilaha Il Allah Mohammed Rasool Allah”.

    • @Kal Bhairav,

      Sorry guys, I had trouble with the net connection.
      Coming to the relevent questions that were made .

      ***(a)How do you know Mohammed said that? You are relying on the Quran/Hadiths. I do not believe in their veracity. ***

      This is the exact point where I had wanted you to come to. If I need to dismiss the event alltogether, I sure have to dismiss all the reports that came from the companions about the event. There is not a single instance, where the companions ever showed a doubt of this event. To dismiss all the reports blindly (that too mentioned in sources of higher authenticity), doesn’t sound logical to me as well.

      ***If you want me to accept this as objective truth you need to prove this via *deductive* means that are outside of the Quran/Hadiths.***
      An outside source would be the case of Chakravarti Farmas who lived in Kerala and is supposed to have witnessed it and reverted to Islam. But, I don’t give much thrust to the history of Farmas. But, then again we find that the earliest Muslims in India are in the Malabar regions. So, I don’t deny his story all together as well.

      (b)How do you know all Arabs accepted the claim of Mohammed? Any proof?
      Through the history of the companions and their reports. This is an event that was agreed upon by all the companions of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

      ***Are there any miracles of other religions that you believe in? What conclusions do you draw from such miracles?***
      Well , I haven’t witnessed any, but I don’t dismiss them alltogether becoz
      a) I am from a family which has witnessed the miraculous healing powers of the Quran for more than a decade.
      b) I have witnessed people (only one) who could converse with the jinn, and the deeds performed with their help (which humans cannot do).
      c) Both the above are my own experiences as eye witnesses. So, I can only conclude that there could be miracles done by other great people also (may be with the help of jinns- good and bad).

      @Vajra,

      ***“despite of SUCH CLEAR SIGNS, THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE”! Can you tell me who are these “they” which Quran is pointing to?***

      They refers to those people who dismissed the event by saying “The magic of Abu Talib’s orphan has affected even the heavens”, when caravans arriving the following morning from Yemen and other places announced that they had seen this miracle.

      • @Indian Muslim:

        To dismiss all the reports blindly (that too mentioned in sources of higher authenticity), doesn’t sound logical to me as well.

        You hold these sources to be highly authentic. I dont. We know very well, in matters of religion especially, people have their own agenda to push. So, the objectivity and veracity of these reports are highly suspect. Same with the case of his companions. You believe in their veracity. I dont. This point is worth stressing. You believe and do not know for sure. Since you only believe in their authenticity, there is a non-zero probability that your belief is wrong.

        An outside source would be the case of Chakravarti Farmas who lived in Kerala and is supposed to have witnessed it and reverted to Islam.

        Ok. He/She witnessed it. Why should I take her witnessing as authentic and not made up? Havent you seen Christian missionary videos where witnesses are brought up on stage and they faint after being touched by the Holy Spirit? Why dont you believe in them?

        Through the history of the companions and their reports. This is an event that was agreed upon by all the companions of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

        How do you know they/future compilers of the Quran/Hadiths didnt make this stuff up? You believe in their veracity. I dont. End of story.

        Well , I haven’t witnessed any, but I don’t dismiss them alltogether becoz
        a) I am from a family which has witnessed the miraculous healing powers of the Quran for more than a decade.
        b) I have witnessed people (only one) who could converse with the jinn, and the deeds performed with their help (which humans cannot do).
        c) Both the above are my own experiences as eye witnesses. So, I can only conclude that there could be miracles done by other great people also (may be with the help of jinns- good and bad).

        Your own claims of experiences of witnesses amount to zilch in order to establish the truth of Islam because:

        (a)You could be lying here.
        (b)You could be misinterpreting the experiences.
        (c)The experiencer could be faking it.
        (d)The experiencer is actually experiencing it but we as objective 3rd party observers cannot differentiate this from (c).

        The very fact that you concede that folks who dont believe in “La Ilaha Il Allah Mohammed Rasool Allah” can have miraculous experiences negates your asking me to believe in Islamic miracles only and Allah being the source of these miraculous powers. Why not Yahweh, Christian God, Brahman or Buddha?

      • @Kal Bhairav,

        ***You believe and do not know for sure. Since you only believe in their authenticity, there is a non-zero probability that your belief is wrong.***

        Bro, its not just a belief. There are several factors that substantiate it. On what basis should I reject all these traditions which were

        passed on by multiple companions and all of them agreeing to the event, without a single exception.? On what basis should I reject the

        works of muhaditheen (scholars of hadith) who analysed each chain and scrutinized each transmitter in the chain on multiple parameters

        (biography, memory of the transmitters, reliability of the reporters, continuity of the chain etc.) and graded them accordingly.

        ***Ok. He/She witnessed it. Why should I take her witnessing as authentic and not made up?***
        I already said that you don’t need to take him as authentic. What I mentioned was a probability only.

        ***How do you know they/future compilers of the Quran/Hadiths didnt make this stuff up? ***
        Becoz, addition of a new thing in Islam would be condemned by the Muslims from all quarters. This event is grossly agreed upon among the Hadith compilers and scholars, even among the deviant sects in Islam.

        ***Your own claims of experiences of witnesses amount to zilch in order to establish the truth of Islam because:***
        Yes. You are right. Even I wouldn’t believe if it was reported to me by others. I have to believe as I was witness to the miracles several times and it was my grandfather who was blessed with it. I mentioned my background only becoz you asked me about how I view miracles of other religions. Thats just my personal case. I never asked you to believe me and surrender to Islam, you interpreted it that way.

        Finally, my point of discussion was only to make you understand that it is not always ‘becoz Quran says, we believe the moon is split’, but there are logical and rational deductions from the verifiable entities, which hints a good possibility to the occurance of the event.

        Best Regards.
        An Indian Muslim.

      • @Indian Muslim:

        Lay out exactly what is your criteria for believing/knowing a miracle happened.

        Muslims claim miracles. Christians claim miracles. Jews claim miracles. Hindus claim miracles. Buddhists claim miracles. So, your point is….?

        Is there a ranking amongst miracles? What is the criteria for such ranking?

      • @A Muslim
        Hindu also claim many miracles like a person Ganesh having body half of elephent & Half of human, Ravana had ten head & 20 arams, Kumbhkaran Ravan’s brother used to sleep 6 month continuously, Monster like Raktbeej whose one drop of blood on earth created a new Raktbeej as Puran says. Why do not you believe in these miracles as you believe Kuran Miracles, these miracle aslo seen by many in that time & registered in puranas. What is your criteria in believing/non-believing in miracles.

  • What I like: More “state-of-the-art”. There is potential to discourage hit-and-run jihadis because the entry barrier to comment seems higher (one has to login and actually spend some time to see which the latest comments were)

    What I dislike: As of now multiple comments on the same topic can take up all space on the agniveer.com home page. So, if there are 10 comments on 1 topic and 1 comment each on 9 other topics, looks like the 10 comments on 1 topic will be displayed. I could be wrong here.

    Maybe with more time I can familiarize myself with the technicalities…

  • I do think the comments section have/store valuable logical arguments to help advocate our position. Looking forward to the new system as well.

    I request all Muslim visitors to state upfront whether:

    (a)mostly they are going to argue using logic taking only *some* basic premises from the Quran/Hadiths as self-evident, or,
    (b)predominantly they hold ALL of Quran/Hadiths as infallible because they themselves claim so. And the Quran/Hadiths are the EXACT LITERAL words of God/Allah/Brahman. So, if Quran says the moon was split, the moon was split. If Bible says Mary conceived as a virgin, hallelujah witness the miracle! If the prophet ascended to heaven on a horse, indeed he did.

    If it is (b) it may help some of us staying away from replying to your posts. It will save us energy/effort because after a few wasted posts it becomes obvious that you are NOT employing logic. An illogical mind can reach *any* conclusion. So, where is the room for debate there?

    On a different note, I like the look of the comments section at Agniveer which follows a “tree” format until a certain “depth” – (5-6 replies). A visitor should be able to follow logically/stepwise as the debators build up their respective cases. It is much better than other websites I have been on.

    Thanks.

    • @Agniveer,

      Good to hear from you such good words. Hope other members would also follow you. I somehow feel that if this stance would have been taken long before, there wouldn’t have been so much hatred from the Muslims. It created a sort of impression in the very beginning that Agniveer.com is just another hate mongering Islam bashing site. Imagine how good it would have been if Hindus and Muslims were discussing and learning Vedas from this site with mutual respect and appreciation.

      Anyways, hope it gets better from now.

      • Dear Indian Muslim,

        Agniveer was since beginning explicit about its mission. The perception of Agniveer being Muslim Bashing came from nowhere, perhaps because for several people, logical analysis amounts to abusing and then someone counters with more emotional hyperbole and then feelings overpower reason.

        We carried out several appeals to inform us on where exactly in our articles did we abuse or denigrate any community or its proponents. But no reply came. It seemed that typecasting Agniveer as anti-Islam earned publicity and donations for many and hence could not cease.

        Yes we are critical of Zakir Naik. But so are many Muslim scholars and leaders. We never abused him though, while internet / youtube is full of abuses hurled on him by Muslims. We merely analyzed his fanatic illogical ideology that fools Muslims and non-Muslims alike. If that is spreading hatred, then Darul Uloom Deoband and Barelvis are even more guilty of that for putting fatwa on Zakir naik.

        We are also extremely critical of Sahih Hadiths, Quran translations and tafseers as available in English, Urdu in book shops and internet, published by major islamic houses. If that is spreading hatred, Hassan Nisar, Dr Ghulam Jilani, Sultan Shahin , Parvez Hoodbhoy are even greater criminals.

        The problem is that Islam is predominated (not in numbers necessarily, but in voice) by fanatic elements who would call for heads of anyone who tries to apply some reason and differ from them. We published several articles on Christianity but no one termed us anti-Christian. We wrote a lot on those sects who claim to follow Hinduism but support Caste System and Gender Discrimination. Even then, apart from few debates, nothing much happened. However, the moment we analyzed those translations of works of Islam that justify death for apostates and suppression of non-Muslims in islamic world, Agniveer became a hate mongering site.

        I hope being an Indian Muslim, you would see things in right perspective. Agniveer is committed to rational humanism. It would counter all frauds in order of priority by its impact on society and establish its best view on truth. However it leaves decision of final acceptance on each individual and believes that rgeardless of whether one believes in Agniveer or not, he or she shall achieve Paradise (aka happiness) so far they are on path of honesty of intent.

        We shall continue our tirade against fanaticism and those elements that call for Hell for non-believers regardless of their good deeds. If you have your Islamic view on this, we would be glad to publish that as well just as we published “I am a non-Arab Muslim” defending proud Indian Muslims.

        May peace be upon you.
        Admin
        Agniveer

      • @Agniveer,

        Peace be with you.

        You have stated that you received no replies to your articles. This is simply UNTRUE. There are atleast 2 sites which has published rebuttals to many of the articles here. May I ask you, did you make any effort to edit the data provided in any of the artilces.? Don’t say that all of the rebuttals were weak or unfit. That’s certainly not the case.

        Being critical of Zakir Naik or any other scholar in Islam is OK. Analysing concepts in Islam and a critical evaluation is also understandable. But, did it all end there? One could easily see the madness of fanatics from both sides in the comments in almost all the articles. The worst of words being used on Allah(swt), Prophet (pbuh), his companions (ra), his wives (ra) etc. and no moderation or even a caution. Well enjoyed by all and well supported by others. Of course, you have your justifications for all that you do. As rightly said, good Muslims (the majority in number) are losers in this world of fanatics and so called rationalists. They have to suffer all the hate, with no hopes of peace, due to fanatic Muslims and non-Muslims.

        On hell for non-believers, what I have heard from many lectures is that kaafir is not simply a non-Muslim, but one who rejects the truth.

        You are very much knowledgeble and gifted as well. My sincere request is to use the knowledge of the scriptures you have been bestowed with for the betterment of the society and revival of true Vedic Dharma. Please do not use it to outperform others and mock other beliefs.

      • @Indian Muslim,
        >>Kafir – who rejects truth.

        Can you define truth that is being rejected by kafir?

        Truth of anything can only be established based on evidence and let us know the evidence with which you establish the existence of Allah and Muhammad as his preacher.

      • Namaste Indian Muslim,

        We agree that there are several rebuttals to Agniveer articles. We encourage that as part of freedom of expression. So far Person A has differing views from what B, C, D or E believe in, there are bound to counter-arguments.

        However that does not amount to any evidence of insult or abuse or denigration of B, C, D or E. Just because Einstein differed with Neils Bohr on Quantum Mechanics concepts does not mean he was denigrating Bohr. Similarly, if Agniveer or anyone for that matter critically analyzes any ideology, that does not mean it is insulting the ideology. We are simply using our fundamental right to freedom of expression and encourage others to use as well.

        But we have received not one single evidence from any Agniveer basher on where we have insulted or abused Muslims in general or their icons. The whole of comment section is open to public display and you would find not one example. If mere difference in view as taken as insult, then it only depicts intolerance on part of those crying foul.

        Yes there are rebuttals and we did not bother to publish rebuttals to these rebuttals because these were extremely frivolous. And then we are not hear to win some paper-war. We published our views and others published theirs. A wise person can review both and decide what is reasonable to him or her.

        While we never used any abusive slang for any person, community, book, prophet or religion, most of these rebuttals are full of most vulgar abuses depicting the mindset of their authors and publishers. That in itself exemplifies who stands for what.

        And yes we have made several edits to our articles based on rebuttals. But no edit beyond changing some typo errors in quoting verse number was found necessary. So instead of a verse 4.6, we edited the reference to 4.9 – these rebuttals provided no further material value.

        And in case they do, they are still in public domain and we encourage readers to review them, review Agniveer articles and then decide whatever they want to decide. We are here neither to defeat our own brothers nor to silence every other voice that doesnt suit our orchestra nor to provide answers to every mystery in world. We are here simply to seek truth and help people ask the right questions that lead them to truth. Refer the header section of the site.

        As for comments, we rarely monitor it. We have deleted a large number of comments that were found abusing but it is impossible as well as against our core beliefs to do moderations beyond automatic rules. We still have faith in evolving maturity of netizens. But for your records, the abusive comments have come from all sides. At present, there are more comments abusing Agniveer and Hindus in general than those abusing any other faith.

        But please send us hyperlinks of objectionable comments and we would try to allocate a resource to clean them off to maintain sanctity of the site. We would sincerely appreciate help in this quarter considering the huge number of comments we receive on daily basis.

        We sincerely appreciate your view on Kafir and Hell and would like you to write us an article on this that we would glad to publish. But likes of Zakir Naik explicitly state that Kafir is anyone who does not believe in Quran, Muhammad, Final Day, Allah etc. And regardless of their good deeds, such people would go to Hell forever. He states that if non-Muslims dont like the word Kafir used for them, then they should embrace Islam.

        We are dutibound to condemn such views and expose persons who have such fanatic views. Not only for sake of non-Muslims but more for sake of those good Muslims who are misjudged by non-Muslims as fanatics because they hardly hear any voice from Muslims condemning such fanatic views. We have tried to provide views of some Muslim scholars who counter such fanatic stand and would await your article as well.

        We would like to offer Agniveer as a platform to those among Muslims who don’t see non-Muslims in Hell and are tolerant of apostasy. Who do not see all non-believers as kafirs. And who respect the right of other persons to differ from their beliefs. You seem to be such an enlighetned Muslim and hence seek your inputs for Agniveer site.

        Dhanyavad
        Admin

    • @Kal Bhairav,

      Peace be with you.

      On your point b), I agree that it is futile to debate on virgin birth of Jesus(pbuh). But, the moon split event is different. It happened at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). The points I want to make here is :
      a) What gave Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) the confidence to say “Be Witnesses” before others if the event did not really happen. ?
      b) Moon splitting is not something that one can use to trick others like magic. Were the Arabs of the time that foolish to be tricked by such an incident ?

      PS: I am not a scholar to represent Islam and engage in debates. So do not throw me with questions, I am not knowledgeable at all. Will have some logical discussions, as time permits.

      • @Indian Muslim:

        Will have some logical discussions, as time permits.

        Yes, logic and rationality are the need of the hour. Yet, I am scratching my head as to how one could reconcile moon splitting with logic and rationality, though. Quoting the Quran to prove its veracity is circular reasoning and is fallacious. It is a very basic logical error.

      • @Kal Bhairav,

        Peace be with you.

        I am only analysing the possibility of such an event to have happened (as a miracle by God) from the reports of multiple companions who witnessed the event. Whats your take on the points I have raised ? Secondly, is it illogical to believe that God can perform miracles ?

      • @Indian Muslim:

        Secondly, is it illogical to believe that God can perform miracles?

        Miracles are, by definition, beyond logic. So, yes, they are translogical. That is, you cannot establish their truth/falsity by logic. Why did you say that it is futile to talk about virgin birth of Jesus? If it was possible for Mohammed to split the moon, why is it not possible for God to impregnate Mary without Joseph coming into play? Do you believe that story or do you not?

        There are multiple claims to miracles. Christians claim miracles, Muslims claim miracles, Hindus claim miracles, Buddhists claim miracles, etc. Do you believe in all of them or only the Muslim ones? Why so?

      • @KalBhairav,

        Peace be with you.

        “Why did you say that it is futile to talk about virgin birth of Jesus?’

        Becoz, the reports of the witnesses for the event are not verifiable, unlike in the moon split event which is transmitted by many narrators who were companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

        On the claims of miracles by others, yes, I do not rule out the possibility of miracles of other religions. You are evading the points I have raised. Let me know your thoughts on it.

      • Namaste Indian Muslim

        ———-reports of the witnesses for the event (Virgin Mary getting pregnant) are not verifiable————

        But Quran seems to say otherwise 🙁 Quran unequivocally states that Allah gave the child to the virgin Mary! Is it that Quran has lost authenticity for you?

        —————Were the Arabs of the time that foolish to be tricked by such an incident ?———–

        Please read a verse or two after the verse of Shak Ul Qamar, which clearly mention that “despite of SUCH CLEAR SIGNS, THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE”! Can you tell me who are these “they” which Quran is pointing to?

        Regarding miracles, may I ask you, can Allah show a miracle in which He decides to send all Momins to hell and all Kafirs like us to Jannat al Firdaus? 😉

      • Dear friend,

        I am also not a preacher or scholar, however beleive in logical thinking. We study in a school to establish a good career, but we get a religious school ( hindu, muslim, christian etc.) from our parents. All schools tell us to be good human being with high moral value. I think one school ( Vedas meaning knowledge) can bring us close to Almighty God ( please read why we ar born, Agniveer). There is no word as Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc. in Vedas or in Manu Smriti, though word “Arya” is defined as best ( among all the creatures).