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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

This entry is part [part not set] of 10 in the series Vedic Literature

Vedic Literature

A large number of allegations have been coming from all corners claiming Vedas to support meat-eating and even cannibalism! Nothing can be far from true.
We are presenting here a very useful text by our enthusiastic supporter Dr Arunabh Talwar on the topic which would suffice to silence all promoters of such false propaganda. This book along with the article No Beef in Vedas contains all necessary evidences to showcase Vedas as a text that appeals for protection of all living beings. We request all readers to review and circulate these researches for mass consumption. If PETA can review the Vedas, they would no more need to appeal to glamor of vulgar nude models to promote compassion for animal!
Further we appeal all to shun a practice that is brutal, extremely harmful to environment, causes poverty and hunger in world, bad for health and longevity and lowers us from status of being humans. Just as we would not like ourselves, our children and even old parents to be killed for someone’s taste of tongue, similarly we should refuse to kill other innocent living beings. The way we refuse to eat dead bodies of human beings, we should also not feast on dead bodies of other living beings who have eyes, nose, face, brain like us. Who feel pain and pleasure like us. Who feel the same fear and weep in similar manner like we do when nearing our own death. Law of Karma ensures that if we kill today, we would face the killing tomorrow. The only way to escape this is by being kind and compassionate.
May we pray and act for well-being of all!
Vegetarianism and Vedas
PS: On why we have an image of Einstein on this article – we firmly believe that Einstein was Vedic with regards to this aspect of his life. Remember, Vedic Dharma is not a water-tight compartment where either you belong as a believer or burn in Hell away from it if you are a non-believer. Vedic Dharma is a scientific way of living. We all are Vedic to extent we comply with Vedic rational laws in certain areas of our life and are anti-Vedic where we act against it.

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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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267 COMMENTS

  1. @vinay bhai, if you try to understand then you can see meat eaters save more energy…. we eat vegetables and eatable part of plant and rest which we cant eat like grass we give it to herbivorous animals and when they stop giving milk we eat them without wasting any energy….

    • @indian_az
      Nice argument there. But we cannibals are a step ahead. We eat humans too and save more energy. We are strictly against wastage of energy and specially in the era of global warming, it is our responsibility to save earth.
      Can you share your email id with me? I would love to be your friend..

      • @cannibal, i am not interested to meet you, you are at another extreme like jainis one is totally nude and other one is wearing mask too…

      • @indian_az
        Hey buddy, I dont expect this irrationality from a person like you who has silenced the fools here single handedly. Where is the question of extremity coming? Human is also an animal, it is proven by science, same nervous system like animals that we eat and you also eat.
        Come and lets break this taboo, be rational. Kindly share your email id, I will see the rest.

      • @cannibal, you can see that we are not animal as we are omnivorous and bear is also omnivorous but see the difference… we cant eat raw fish we have to cook it but bear can eat it raw, y? because we require society, bear just go and eat them because it is an animal but we develop whole industry we need other things also. bear can eat little amount of grass because bear can digest grass through fermentation but we cant digest grass y? because we are human and we require social system. if we can eat raw then there is no need of civilization as you can see there is no civilization in bears. we are constantly developing and nourishing our skills how could you say that we are animals?

      • @indian_az
        Actually we cannibals eat raw fish, raw flesh of every animal. We find it more tasty as compared to roasted. That depends on culture to culture. But scientifically, we can eat both ways and remain healthy as you have proved above to these idiots. In fact it is necessary to help environment to eat animals and humans many a times to balance eco system and to keep check on global warming.
        I wonder, as for civilization, the idiot veggies give the same argument as you have just given, i.e. of civilization and evolution. They say that now we are evolved and thus should stop eating other animals. Those fools dont understand that flesh related food habits must be in sync with eco system balance and should also help in reducing global warming as you discussed above.
        So eating humans or raw flesh is no way against science, its just a taboo that many people cant break.
        BTW, pls share with me your email id, I would love to know more about you and Islam. As I told, I find Islam close to my heart. Please..

      • @vinay, ———–You have stopped giving me good views so you hould be killed—————
        is this the teachings of Moolshankar? if any body is not giving u good views you will kill him but cant eat fish??? are you out of your mind?

      • No.This is the mind which you have got from meat eating.It was an alankaarit bhasha.If some animal has stopped giving you milk then you say that you can kill him.Similarly,you have stopped giving me good views then why don’t kill you?
        Killing an animal which is not giving milk as he has become old is same as killing your parents when they become old.Will you kill and eat your parents when they will become elder and would be of no use?Instead of eating my good animals,you should eat your parents.Because your parents have given us such a child who is killing my innocent animals.

      • And I know what will be the second answer.It is not required to answer me.You will say I am out of my mind.You cut animals eat them is it a good thingAnd when I try to make you understand you that I am out of my mind.What should be done with the person like you?

  2. @canabill, if we put religion aside then u can see eating dead animals is harmful except fish, because fish has different blood circulatory system. if you slaughter in islamic way then blood will goes out from body, blood is main carrier of diseases. if you eat dead animal you will also eat blood which will transmit disease. so the islamic way is best. also we eat only herbivorous animals and we are selective omnivorous HUMAN not animal.. hope u understand

    • @indian_az
      Oh now you are disappointing me 🙁 OK, I can accept dead argument. But when we eat human, we can behead it in Islamic way and then eat. This way it will be free from diseases and thus scientifically acceptable. But still this ‘selective’ part . Its just man made taboos that need to be overcome.
      By the way I will love to know more about Islam. I feel it is close to my heart. The arguments you gave are awesome and similar to what we believe. We have many commonalities. Can I accept your religion?

      • yes you are welcome but you have to change your diet… islam is complete way of life and it has guidance in all the fields… you can never slaughter a human in islamic way because firstly eating human is not permissible in islam secondly you cant slaughter a dead animal.. to accept islam you have to say and accept that Kalima Shahadah (Testification)
        ‘Ash-hadu ‘an laa’i-laa-ha ‘il-lal-laa-hu
        I testify that there is none worthy of worship besides Allah
        wa ‘ash-ha-du ‘anna mu-ham-ma-dan ‘ab-du-hoo wa ra-soo-luh
        And I testify that Muhammad (Sallallaho-Alaihe-Wa-Sallam) is Allah’s worshipper and messenger.
        by accepting it u can enter in islamic society you are welcome

      • @indian_az
        My friend, till now you were talking based on reasoning but suddenly you have brought in restrictions, it is like these Hindus who prohibit something and allow something. You have beautifully proved here that flesh eating is eco friendly and essential to balance excessive global warming. Your arguments were perfect, but suddenly you took u turn 🙁 You did not tell logically why should I not slaughter a human? Which scientific law is violated in this?
        My love for Islam is because it gives same arguments as we do for our food habits that whole world condemns. But now you are also putting restrictions on our food habits? Now I cant find any difference b/w you and illogical Hindus on this site.
        Anyway, I philosophically find no difference b/w Islamic ideology and mine, i.e. going scientifically and analyse things. I believe the restriction of human’s flesh eating is later day interpolation in Islam because Islam cant be illogical. Hope yo understand.

      • @dear cannibal, because islam is religion(way of life) given by GOD(Allah) so every law and restriction put by it is rational and scientific. you can see i have never supported slaughtering of human. actually you should understand that we slaughter a live animal not dead, so that blood goes out from the animal body . blood cant come out from dead animal. do you think any logical religion can allow killing/slaughtering of human for food?
        also here is reference from quran “Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin – then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” http://quran.com/5/3 there is no interpolation in quran, it is saved from any corruption.

      • Yes Indian_AZ. Islam is a complete way of life. Muhammad and his alter ego called allah will control every aspect of a dumbo’s life from the way a person eats, passes urine, passes stools, the way they dress, the way they have sex, the number of concubines one can have, the way an animal needs to be slaughtered (but claim that the specific way of slaughtering is painless for the animal), believe that a 7th century lunatic maniac holds their passport to getting laid in heaven and what not. Islam is the highest form of slavery that ever can be. There is no other religion that chants, as a prayer, stuff like women getting lashed for fornification at a place of worship but that is exactly what you morons pray at a mosque (pea brains).Wake up and smell freedom slaves.

      • Pagan Power
        Your hatred for Islam is not good. And dont deviate from the topic. Now it is proved that Islam is scientific religion and closest to the ultimately scientific cannibalism. Our arguments are same that you cant counter, poor grass eaters… lol
        You are jealous of why you could not convince me about your religion but indian_az did. It is because our thinking is almost similar, it is based on science and logic. And you will see, indian_az will agree that cannibalism is not prohibited in Islam because it is most scientific as per the arguments given by him only. Islam was started with good people but its teachings might get corrupted with time and thus it is confused whether to allow cannibalism or not. But you can only get disappointed that you could not make me Hindu but he single handedly attracted me towards his religion. Defeat to you all grass eaters 🙂

    • Actually Blood is good for Body. This is an Islamic Propaganda that Blood is bad because in Islam Satan Drinks Blood. In South Korea where i have visited many times people Coagulate blood, make cakes and soup out of it, They are doing it for thousands of years and are healthy.
      Jhatka is Best Way to slaughter.

      • Good point Rajat,
        Excellent point about blood. The problem I see with islam is it is basing things on old ways that might have been dangerous at that time and place. Even today, people get blood transfusions, and all kinds of treatment with blood. To bluntly say blood is bad is stupid. There are a lot of good uses for blood. As science develops further and further, humanity will find more uses for blood. And every piece of meat, no matter how small, has a tiny bit of blood in it. This is a fact. No matter how you cut the meat, there will always be a very very tiny about of blood on the meat. You won’t be able to see it, but it is there. So if there is something bad in the blood, it will still be int he meat as well. So no matter what, you cannot get away from that blood. Time to grow up and look at the facts.
        The key thing is cooking the meat right. And for your information when you heat blood, it turns brown. That is why won’t be able to see it in cooked meat because the blood looks like the the meat. And why do you think raw meat looks red, the blood. HELLO.
        Krishnarao

    • @pathikarya
      Shut up. We are discussing similarities b/w Islam and cannibalism. And look, how close these two are, most logical backed by scientific evidences. You hindus will always cry for animals. You need to understand that all living beings, be it animals, humans, plants or bacteria, is identical as proved by indian_az and thus differentiating them while eating is foolish. But I know you will never understand 🙁

      • @Cannibal
        Good brother, we are on true path. Our approach is scientific. Vedics are kaffir they are completely against our behavior & habits but momins seem near about us. Momins and we will join hands.

      • Hello Cannibal 2
        You are the second wise person on this site with indian_az. And I am very happy to see someone from my culture. You should also learn Islamic philosophy, its very close to ours. There are few differences but those are probably because of the adulteration in original message of Islam by these idiot grass eaters. Interestingly, one of my friends who is a Muslim and Cannibal told me that there is not a single verse in Quran that says dont eat humans. So this way even Quran is in support of Cannibalism.
        Long live the friendship of Muslims and Cannibals.
        @indian_az
        Can we three meet and then discuss future plans?

      • @Pagan Power
        Only idiots find differences b/w Islam and Cannibalism. Both are one and the same. We believe that all living beings- bacteria, plants, animals, and humans are equal and thus should be treated equally. So we eat all. indian_az, who is a Muslim also gave same arguments and thus we have no difference.
        It is just you grass eaters who find the difference b/w the two. Cannibalism is scientific and so as Islam. And you Hindus are jealous of both.

      • @Cannibal/Indian_az
        Brothers, I am also very glad to see both of you here. At least someone like you fighting for us. Please both of you carry on like this. I am with you for any kind of support. BTW where is Indian_aZ brother? He initiated very good logical discussion. We were living fearfully & with a sense of guilt . But Indian_AZ brother provided us very logical & scientific arguments to fight with Kaffirs “Araya Samaji” etc. Brother Cannibal, we need to change flesh cutting way. We should cut flesh smoothly, this is said Halal in Islam. This is very scientific way & flesh cutting in this way will be more healthier as mentioned by Indian_AZ brother. We need to pay attention on this.

  6. Indian_AZ: As the 2 cannibals indicated, you provided absolute clarity as to why men should ape the canines. Please return to the forum and continue the enlightened conversation. We are all listening.

  7. yeah! that’s should be the spirit. ALL you cannibals and indian_az bro give me a high five. these veggie dimwits can’t even imagine the taste of raw flesh, smell of blood. WOW!
    @indian_az
    bro, can your religion accept me? because i am fed up this so called kind ‘vedic’ stuff. I want BLOOD!

    • @Cannibal 3 &Cannibal
      Brothers, Why brother “Indian_AZ” not posting comments here now to enlighten us more. I think these kaffirs has made him annoyed. I think we should mail him & invite him. Only Islam can protect our culture because there is no difference b/w Islam and Cannibalism.
      Dont worry, Indian_Az brother has given his Email ID to contact him:
      [email protected]

      • @cannibal, yes i will give detail about what islam allow to eat. islam gives complete guidance. everything is not allowed, only herbivorous animals are allowed and after slaughtering in islamic way. fish allowed without slaughter. no carnivorous is allowed and pork is not allowed, dead animals are not allowed, humans ARE NOT ALLOWED. brother if you start eating your family members then how could you live, how could you form a society? we are social in nature we are not animals, we are humans. i have shown you the difference between bear and human. if you are man eater then how could i faith on you? can i stay in night with you? you may eat me…

      • @indian_az
        _____brother if you start eating your family members then how could you live______
        Not family members, but there no problem eating up human kaffirs/cirminals/terrorist & dead body. After all we should not waste energy. It is very good way controlling population & crime. how practical, scientific & logical cannibalism!
        _______if you are man eater then how could i faith on you________
        Cannibals do not eat friends but we can eat up kaffirs & criminals.
        We are brothers, there is no difference between b/w Islam and Cannibalism.

  8. @pagan, canabil,1,2,3 and all,
    i have never said that islam allow cannibalism or eating other human. @cannibal 2 do u kill human for eating? in islam we slaughter live animal in islamic way, we cant slaughter any dead animal.
    @Cannibal 3, islam prohibits blood, islamic way of slaughtering animal is to flush off blood from animal body. islam prohibit eating of dead animal because animal has blood in its body. for detail; please see http://www.quran.com/3/5

    • @indian_az
      We are hoping much from you. Why are u talking like this?
      ________we cant slaughter any dead anima_________
      Brother, we should not waste energy. It is my practical, dead body which is consumed within 10 hours, is very healthier.
      ________slamic way of slaughtering animal is to flush off blood from animal body_________
      Ya this may be scientific. We can discuss on this point. But you continue to enlighten us at least you are one who are talking logically & fighting for us.
      We are brothers, there is no difference between b/w Islam and Cannibalism.

    • Indian AZ, you quoted Quran 5:3. What good is it follow the menu items of your superstar, who actually instigated religious violence between two brothers (borrowed from the Genesis legend of Cain and Abel) by accepting the sacrifice of one and rejecting the sacrifice of another. By this act, Allah instigated one brother to kill another and it is outright comical that Allah then sends a crow in 5:31 to teach the living brother how to hide the corpse of the slain brother. To me Allah is someone that enjoys murder and blood. So for Allah to say and people like you to follow injunctions on blood, dead animal etc is pure nonsense. Peiod. Allah is a blood thirsty maniac, the alter ego of Muhammad…

      • @pagan, we believe that Allah is superior. what about your belief confused aryasamajis? this world is for the test of human and human has been given free will, i am free to do wrong or right. Allah will not stop me if i want to do wrong thing. Allah has shown sirate mustaqeem(right way) now it is up to your choice which way you want. i dont know what you peoples want? if there is no free will then there is no test. you believe in change of yoni which is totally illogical and nonsense. you have written “by this act, Allah instigated one brother to kill another” can you prove from that verse that Allah instigated one brother? his sacrifice was not accepted because his intentions were not right and he was not a pious or good person. suppose if his sacrifice was not accepted then why should he be allowed to kill his brother? what was the role of his brother? a person with a gud character should repent and pray Allah for the acceptance of his sacrifice, Allah is merciful and opt-forgiving. if you have mind then you can understand if you fail in any task or test and your brother passes that test then, if you are good person, will you kill your brother or retry again?

      • @pagan, here is complete story from quran chapter 5…
        “27,And recite to them the story of Adam’s two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah ], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], “I will surely kill you.” Said [the former], “Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him].
        28,If you should raise your hand against me to kill me – I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah , Lord of the worlds.
        29,Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers.”
        30,And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers.
        31,Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, “O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?” And he became of the regret
        32,Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

      • @pagan, can you explain your statement “Allah is a blood thirsty maniac, the alter ego of Muhammad…” in the light of verse no 32,
        http://www.quran.com/5/32
        32,Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
        is this verse is showing same character of Allah as you have written?
        Astaghfirullah…. naqal e kufr naqal na bashad

      • @indian_az
        Again great reply buddy! This @ Pagan Power could not understand that this great verse was revealed for children of Israel alone and thus we Cannibals (non Israelis) are allowed to kill and then eat humans.
        Really, Quran is the best book, it is most logical. Although it disappoints Cannibals of Israel but ensures the convenience of rest of the Cannibals around the world.
        I want to read Kalma in your presence, can we meet? We will plan future activities also. Can you share with us your address? Cannibal 1 and 2 will also follow. What say guys?

      • inidan az: Allah is a blood thirsty maniac. It is common sense but given your quran gives common sense a burial you are unable to see the obvious.
        Now if Allah were really serious about having created this world and use it as a test bed for people, then it means he does not know the past, present and future. If he is not cognizant of these three, he cannot be a super star. But if you claim that he knows these 3 then what is the point of running test cycles when the results are known? Does this not sound blatantly contradictory? Running test cycles with expected test results is good only for product and software engineering firms and not for God. This theory of this world and people being allah’s test is utter nonsense.
        And let us look at a Quranic verse 4:14 – Whosoever disobeyeth Allah and His messenger and transgresses His limits, He will make him enter Fire, where he will dwell for ever; his will be a shameful doom.
        We can understand allah, the maniac demanding attention but why the messenger has to come in-between? Any human being is as fallible as another one. So, you guys that follow this messenger inherit his faults too when you ape him by branding him as the best human being. But if you say that Mohd is not human but divine, his life is full of stuff that are nowhere close to divinity. Please address the above disconnect(s).

    • Indian AZ, please use punctuations in a better fashion. I am confused if you are calling a quran verse 5/3 to be cannibalistic or not. Please clarify.

      • @Pagan Power
        go to hell man! Islam nowhere against cannibalism. Such verses are added by the fanatic Hindu like you. We dont read such stupid verses. You are trying to divide Momins and cannibals.
        there is no difference between b/w Islam and Cannibalism.

      • @pagan power, previously i have given wrong reference from quran so i have corrected that as 5:3 ok… your first comment show that you have searched satyagni/antiislamic sites well and your comment “I am confused if you are calling a quran verse 5/3 to be cannibalistic or not. Please clarify.” is just to make fun. you know there is no cannibalism in islam.

      • @indian_az
        Leave these illogical grass eaters alone. They everytime abuse Islam without a reason. They oppose Cannibalism the same way.
        @all hindus
        Holy Quran never says anywhere that human flesh is prohibited. It proves that authors of Quran knew in advance that bacteria, plants, animals and humans etc are all living and have same worth and thus to be treated with equity. So instead of criticizing Quran, you should wonder how authors of Quran in the deserts of Arabia knew about life in plants and bacteria just like humans?

      • @cannibal, yesterday you were showing as you dont know anything about islam and today you are saying that “Holy Quran never says anywhere that human flesh is prohibited”. have you studied whole quran in one night? read your yesterday’s comments on islam. your behavior is suspicious. do you think that i can have dinner with a man eater? i have seen how these aryasamajis take u turns.

      • indian_az
        By the grace of Allah I am now a Muslim. I watched many videos of Dr Zakir Naik yesterday and got convinced about the TRUTH of Islam. The fact that Quran does not prohibit human flesh was told by one of my friends who is a Muslim and Cannibal as well. I mentioned it yesterday if you see my comment.
        I only analyzed the concept further and now 100% sure that only Islam is the way forward for me. I have already read Kalma. I am a proud Muslim now. And please dont insult me by being suspicious towards me. It is Haram in Islam to mistrust the fellow Muslim, I read it in one of the threads on an Islamic discussion forum today. Just look, I overlook many of your illogical things and kept bashing these Hindus but you are smelling fishy about me? 🙁
        I again state- Cannibalism is not against Islam, it is logical concept. Allah does not differentiate among his creatures- humans, animals, plants, bacteria are all same for Him.

    • I apologize…read *pork* instead of *porn*…Apparently it is not that much of a slip though…coz some Momin sometime before gave the reason that Momins dont eat pork because pigs have sex in front of others!
      Lol at Momin logic.

      • Hey KalBhairav
        Quran prohibits only those pigs that dwell in gutters. But the pigs farmed in professional firms can be eaten because then impurity logic that Islam is worried of no more remains. So Islam does not prohibit consumption of such pigs. You Hindus always find faults in Islam, you are jealous. Look, indian_az is one Muslim and you are many hindus but still he could manage to convince me towards the TRUTH of Islam but you could not about your religion. Arguments of Cannibalism and Islam are same and most logical that you grass eaters can never counter.
        I am feeling great after accepting Islam. Now I am more than convinced that Cannibalism is the right way. Till now I did not have any divine backing behind our food habits but now it is no more the case. Thankks to indian_az and thanks to Islam.
        Dear indian_az, I want to meet you in personal, need to discuss things and we can have dinner together.

      • @cannibal, i have givenyou address of websites for further reading of islam please read about islam before saying anything about islam. there is no difference of gutter pid or farm in islam. islam prohibits pork completely.

      • @indian_az
        You said it buddy. There is no difference b/w a farm pig or a gutter pig or a dog or cow or human or bacteria or plants in our eyes. Islam is most logical religion. Our Muslim scholars give the reason of prohibition of pork as being dirty because pigs eat garbage and shit. So logically pigs grown up in clean environment can be consumed. This is exactly what we Cannibals do. Everyone grown up in healthy environment can be consumed.
        We Muslims have extra responsibility of establishing logic as primary and foremost tool to decide right and wrong of everything. Our Quran does not prohibit any creature because Allah created some species to consume and some to be consumed. We have canine teeth that can digest pork easily, so we can eat it. This argument is given by many scholars like Zakir Naik for meat eating and it is irrefutable even in the case of pork.
        Islam is best religion but these grass eaters will not understand.

    • @kallu, 90% hindus eat meat..lol..
      in karnataka, kashmir, bihar, tamil, kerala, west bengal, nagaland, assam hindus eat COW also.
      why you changed from vegan-vegan to meat?
      show me hindus who are pure vegetarians.
      you make innocent peoples fool that human cant eat meat, when we expose your lies then you switched to meat-meat.
      y sita ordered rama to kill spotted dear?
      hindu sacrifice unlimited numbers of animals at temples and you say that killing of animals is not allowed in hinduism?
      from same veda your ancestors are believing in animal sacrifices(if you sacrifice then you have to eat that) and in idol worship, i dont know how you can deny it?
      all hindus eat meat and blame muslims??????

      • @cannibal,1,2.3
        i think that you are same person, only changing your identity as 1/2/3..
        when i told you that cannibalism is not allowed in islam even eating dead animals is not allowed in islam then you have switched that we will kill and eat human(ie slaughter)?
        we have received this verse(and obviously whole quran) through messenger of Allah and he explained that this order of not to kill any person is retained by allah.
        killing of any innocent person is not allowed in islam and even you have no power to kill any person either he is murderer or whatever. it is islamic government who will decide that this person should be killed or not and islamic government will decide in the light of divine guidance. i will not entertain any further q on cannibalism in islam. hope you understand

      • @indan_az
        _______i think that you are same person, only changing your identity as 1/2/3._______
        Hello, I am cannibal 2. I do not know who are Cannibal & cannibal 3. But I am happy they belong to my family & culture.
        _________that cannibalism is not allowed in islam even eating dead animals is not allowed in islam__________
        Why do not u understand we cannibals approach is very scientific. We can leave momins because they belong to our family but what problem eating of kaffirs & criminals, dead or alive.
        ________killing of any innocent person is not allowed in islam__________
        You said above to a kaffir if they can not kill animals for eating then what problem eating to a dead body? But we cannibals eat everything dead or alive. We are very near to Islamic philosophy as you have mentioned above to a Kaffir there is no problem eating to dead body as per Islam. We should not waste energy.
        You should have known that there is no difference b/w cannibalism & Islam.
        And please continue this discussion, you have given us a hope by your Islamic scientific & logical arguments to survive our culture.
        Thank you

      • @All
        Let us all become true muslims, so in order to become a true muslim, we must:
        1)Stop Idol worship meaning STOP FACING THE KAABA, and PRAY TO ALLAH WITHOUT THE KAABA, WE DONT NEED KAABA IN THIS WORLD. And no grave worship either
        2)Adopt a Veggie diet, since Allah made this beautiful earth for us and we must not let global warming destory it. Have respect for what Allah has made for us.
        3)Only believe in the first part of the Kalima, this means “There is none worthy of worship but Allah”, and abolish the second part “Mohammad is his messenger”. So, hence we will no longer believe in Mohammad to be a messenger but only a role model for us like many othes. If we believe in Mohammad as well, we are committing SHIRK which we dont want to commit.
        4)Return to Allah’s first revelation, Allah’s real QURAN known as the VEDAS, if ALLAH has given us Vedas, then why should we follow an arab invention called the Quran??? Besides Quran has been corrupted, Bible has been corrupted, only Vedas are free from Corruption so we should only follow Vedas.
        5)STOP believing in an oven called HELL or a place full of women called HEAVEN because THEY DO NOT EXIST!!!! The real hell heaven are here with us which we experience based on our deeds.
        6)Stop believing in ADAM EVE creation because its full of incest. We were all created in a much better way then this Jewish invention.
        So, are all of you ready to become TRUE muslims????????????

  12. @cannibal, now you exposed yourself completely, just read your yesterdays comment and see how much you have changed?? now you know zakir naik’s arguments too?
    by the way we do not eat pork because Allah prohibited it ie it is Allah’s commandment. we do not require any logic for it.
    because Allah is creator of everything so he knows what is good for us or not.
    now it is our duty to search and research reasons behind it. because islam is true and natural and universal religion so you can not find any teaching of islam against humanity or nature.
    either pig is from farm or gutter it has tapeworm and either you slaughter it and then you cook it in autoclave at high temperature still there are high chances of tapeworm infection. if you dont want tapeworm infection then you have to stop pork eating.

    • @indian_az
      Brother, lets not fight here. We can settle issues when we meet at dinner sometime. But lets grill Hindus now. For that we need to be logical in every aspect. Lets not make Islam look like fraud. If we prohibit pork just because it is written in our book then Hindus also say that they dont need to argue to be grass eaters, their books say so. For them, their God is creator and thus supreme for them. So lets not get emotional, be logical.
      Hey Hindu grass eaters, I am a Muslim now and I claim that there is no verse in Quran that prohibits human’s flesh. Human is also an animal and Allah has given us canines that can help us tear both pork and human and our intestines can well digest both and thus we Muslims can eat both.
      Please stop ridiculing Islam now for Allah’s sake. If tapeworm is the reason behind pork’s prohibition, the cows and fish must also be prohibited. Read more about beef tapeworm and fish tapeworm and know that cow and fish also have tapeworms. And there is no tapeworm found in humans, so no prohibition of human’s flesh according to science and Islam.
      So lets not ridicule Islam in front of these grass eater Kafirs. We eat everything because Allah has made us so.

      • @cannibal, you have written “Brother, lets not fight here. We can settle issues when we meet at dinner sometime. But lets grill Hindus now. For that we need to be logical in every aspect. Lets not make Islam look like fraud. If we prohibit pork just because it is written in our book then Hindus also say that they dont need to argue to be grass eaters, their books say so. For them, their God is creator and thus supreme for them. So lets not get emotional, be logical.”
        we dont want to fight hindus instead we want to spread islam.
        agniveer and his team is spreading hatred and misguiding peoples so we use harsh language.
        yep if it is written in hindus book that do not eat meat and be vegetarian then thre is no problem. you can see firstly you cant define who is hindu? what act can make a hindu to non hindu? what are the books of hindus? which is the authentic translation of veda? can pure vegetarianism is possible? we never say that you can eat everything what you can, but islam say that eat pure(paak) things. brother cannibal please show me from where you get that pork and cow and fish has same tapeworm? you are playing game over here.
        you also said”Hey Hindu grass eaters, I am a Muslim now and I claim that there is no verse in Quran that prohibits human’s flesh. Human is also an animal and Allah has given us canines that can help us tear both pork and human and our intestines can well digest both and thus we Muslims can eat both.”
        dear y you are repeating quran quran when i have shown you clear verse of quran which prohibits pork? http://www.quran.com/5/3
        i also shown you that allah guided one person through crow to bury the deadbody in ground and it is clear cut evidence that islam is against cannibalism.
        i can show you many ahadis but i know what you are doing here.

      • @indian_az
        I am a Muslim but I am liberal by views. Now you are behaving like moron grass eaters, let me give you few of your arguments that when reversed at you would evaporate you in minutes
        1. What makes someone a Muslim? Is being Sunni or Shia, or Ahmadi or Barelvi or Deobandi or Ahle Hadith or Wahabi or Khoja or Bohra or Ismaili or Sufi or Tansukhiya ….. the guaranty of being Muslim? All of them have different rituals, food habits and philosophies 🙁
        2. Which is the authentic translation of Quran, I mean of Sunni or Shia’s or Khoja’s or…?
        3. Can pure non vegetarianism is possible? You say you eat pure things! Can an animal be purer than humans, why not then consume humans? And definition of pure for a hindu and for us can be different. For logical Muslims, pig of firms is consumable but for some it is prohibited. For us Cannibals, human flesh is pure.
        4. Tapeworms found in pigs, cows and fish have potential to cause diseases. By this logic, even beef and fish is haram.
        5. Please show me the clear verse of human’s flesh prohibition from Quran.
        6. How can a crow guide a person logically? Such stories cant be the part of original Quran that has to be scientific.
        Please stop doubting my intentions Brother, I am firm believer of Islam and science. Dont provoke me to bash you further.
        @all
        Please ignore his weak arguments, he does not represent True Islam here. Allah has created us as best of creatures and thus we can eat all species as Allah has created them for us.

      • @cannibal, you are one of aryasamaji. you have written “i am a Muslim but I am liberal by views. Now you are behaving like moron grass eaters, let me give you few of your arguments that when reversed at you would evaporate you in minute”
        you are liar…. yesterday you were asking me kalima shahadah and asking me can i be a muslim? brother you know you cant deceive me. i have given you ayat regarding cannibalism . now you have to show me that pig, cow and fish have same tapeworm?

      • @indian_az
        I asked you for Kalma because I wanted to become Muslim and Inshallah I am the one now.
        I have read the ayat which instead of prohibiting, allows human flesh with a condition that it should be properly slaughtered and it should not be your brother.
        I never claimed that pig, cow and fish have same tapeworms. I said that if tapeworms argument is to be considered then you need to prohibit beef and fish as well. Here discover about beef http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_saginata
        So be logical and dont mock Islam in front of these grass eaters. Lets get united in the service of Islam.

      • @cannibal, is it taenia saginata which is found in pigs? please do not give any reference from wickipedia. you said “Tapeworms found in pigs, cows and fish have potential to cause diseases. By this logic, even beef and fish is haram.” i have never said that pork is haram because of tapeworm. Allah prohibits pork thats all..
        but if you study then you can find that pork eating is harmful, eating dead animals is harmful, eating carnivorous animal is harmful to human and ecosystem also.

  13. @cannibal, you are father of einstein, you have learned so much islam only in one night? then you must have read on that forum that cannibal cant be muslim. you in that verse of surah maida surah no 5 in allah guided one human by cow that how he should bury the dead body of his brother. if islam allowed cannibalism then Allow should guide that person that you should eat your brothers body and do not bury in ground.
    there are many other reasons and clearcut teachings of islam in which islam prohibits cannibalism. i know that you know but you are just enjoying here.

    • @indian_az
      Its all Allah’s grace and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)’s blessings that I could grasp so much in one night. Thanks for your compliments Brother.
      But please stop calling your imaginations as Quranic teachings. You are yet to show any verse from Quran that unequivocally states that human flesh is HARAM (prohibited). And you ridiculed Islam by giving foolish arguments of tapeworms etc. So please avoid giving false arguments because we are representing Islam here. If we err, its Islam ultimately that suffers. Hope you understand.

  14. @cannibal, what do you think to islam?it is not aryasamaj that you cant show any clear and understandable teaching from veda.
    here is clear cut ayat/ verse of qura.
    http://quran.com/49/12
    surah alhujrat, surah no 49
    “O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.”
    here Allah is saying that you even cant think to eat flesh of your brother(ie human). eating human is beyond the imagination of any muslim. hope you now understand and not repeat your vile arguments if you believe that quran is word of Allah.

    • @indian_az
      Ya Allah can your best creature be so dumb? Let me describe this verse logically to you
      “Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?”
      We can conclude following from this verse
      1. Allah has never prohibited human’s flesh. In this verse Allah is just asking Muslims a question and guessing the answer.
      2. Even if it is prohibition, it is only of dead body’s flesh. If you slaughter the humans Islamic way, i.e. by removing all blood slowly, it is fine and consumable as for other animals.
      3. Verse talks about your Brother, so even if it is prohibition, it only applies to your brother. So you can eat others whom you dont have any relation with.
      Allah’s words are still unequivocal in the support of Cannibalism. Islam is great. All glories to Allah who is the lord of east and the west. May Allah give you Hidayah.

      • @cannibal, i know that you can give only these arguments and i know that you are aryasamaji. you should know that for the explanation of quran we have search in ahadis because quran revealed on prophet muhammad. allah is not guessing the answer but giving the answer that “see you abhor it”. Allah knows what is in hearts, what i am thinking. regarding slaughtering of human you must know that if you kill any person then islam say that a murderer should be killed. i know that you know it. here brother means every human as in surah maida surah no 3 verse 5 Allah said two sons of adam who. as every person is son of adam (baniadam) so he is our brother. as allah said in quran “O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you. ” http://www.quran.com/4/1
        how could Allah prohibit from backbitting only to your real brother? it means Allah allow everybodies back bitting if any one has no real brother? what about back bitting of sisters? you are just kidding here..

      • @indian_az
        I now seriously doubt about your intentions towards Islam. Are you really a Muslim or an impostor? Your comment has so much of fallacies that will eventually lead to mocking of Islam by these grass eaters, for example
        1. You believe that Quran alone is insufficient and it needs some man made books aka ahadis to understand?
        2. If all humans are brothers just because they have come from same Adam and Eve then all females are sisters of all males in this world 🙁 What a disaster!
        3. You say Allah created us from single pair, i.e. second generation after Adam and Eve who were siblings, had sex with each other? Brother-Sister sex? May Allah forgive me but you are a Kafir pretending to be a Muslim here so that Islam can be proved as religion of incest 🙁 But I will not let you do so.
        @all
        This indian_az does not look Muslim, he is trying to malign Islam with his own interpretations of Quran. May Allah give you Hidayah.

  16. @cannibal, you have written “Allah’s words are still unequivocal in the support of Cannibalism. Islam is great. All glories to Allah who is the lord of east and the west. May Allah give you Hidayah.”
    now you are using such words which shows that you know islam vey well. yesterday you were saying that ” brother can i accept your religion” as you dont know how to accept islam. now you know that what this verse mean and mr. indian-az is not representing true islam? you know i was your teacher .hahaha.
    i have understand you when i have seen you replicating as cannibals 2,3.. go and read vedas first. do you know how much vedas are there? can you tell me the numbers?

    • indian_az
      Their Vedas talk foolish. They say that they will eat plants but not animals. But they dont realize that plants, bacteria, animals, humans have same life as science has proved so. Thus it is Islam only that must be believed where we Muslims are allowed to consume every Paak (Pure) thing. We can digest and tear all kinds of flesh and thus it is the sign of Allah that we can consume everything.
      And FYI, I am not Cannibal 1,2,3. They might have come here to see our discussion but I dont know them. May be we can meet and discuss things and clarify the misconceptions. But dont cheat Islam, come to the path of Allah.

      • @cannibal, when i have read regarding difference of tapeworm of beef and pork my faith increased and i said “ALLAH O AKBAR” the difference between two tapeworm shows that quran is true book and islam is true religion. you can ask any doctor regarding the difference between two tapeworms and also you can read from the reference which i have given. ALLAH O AKBAR

      • @indian_az
        Truly said! My faith has also increased many times in Islam. ALLAH O AKBAR.
        I found that there are beef tapeworms, fish tapeworms, pork tapeworms but there are no human tapeworms, it means beef eating and pork eating can cause diseases but consuming human flesh is absolutely safe. Another proof of truthfulness of Islam and Cannibalism being logical and in the lines of Islam.
        ALLAH O AKBAR

      • @cannibal, you have tapeworm in your brain. i have seen that no warrior of agniveer is interrupting ie truth siker, vik, dharamyodha. every body know that truth siker cant stop himself from commenting. truth siker y u have not commented today? hahaha

      • @Cannibal
        ROFL. Hats off brother!! I bow down to you. I read all your comments and that of @indian_az trying his best to justify that meat-eating is allowed but not cannibalism. You ripped-off his thoughts open and brought his foolishness & ignorance in front of everyone. Great conversation to learn from.
        -Karna

    • आप यह देखिए !
      hinduebooks.blogspot.com/2011/03/four-vedas-sanskrit-text-with-hindi.html
      aryasamajjamnagar.org/atharvavedabook.htm
      docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=dmVkaWNncmFudGgub3JnfHd3d3xneDo1NDkwNjk2N2Y1ODEyMDk5
      vedpuran.com/brahma.asp?bookid=22&secid=1&pageno=001&Ved=Y
      दुर्भाग्यवश इनमें से किसी के भी सत्य होने का सम्पूर्ण दावा नही किया जा सकता क्योकि वेदिक ज्ञान को किसी विकल्प में नही बान्धा जा सकता। यह सभी अनुवाद मात्र एक दिशा के समान लिए जाय – सम्पूर्ण अनुवाद के रूपमें नही। It is impossible to translate Vedas because they represent knowledge that cannot be expressed in alternate words.

  18. Namaste.
    I have been discussing this issue with a Hindu friend of mine, a linguistics major, who holds that the Vedas give evidence that animal sacrifice was a part of that historic period’s culture. Could Agniveer or any others here please provide alternative Nirukta-based interpretations of the following verses from Veda and Brahmanas? I am reproducing his interpretation here:
    “Yājñavalkya wrote quite unequivocally in the śatapatha brāhmaṇa : ‘paramannādyaṃ yanmāṃsaṃ’ (this meat is the best food). Here’s the full quote on the merits of animal sacrifice:
    Quote:
    sa yatpaśubandhena yajate ātmānamevaitanniṣkrīṇīte …
    paramannādyaṃ yanmāṃsaṃ sa paramasyaivānnādyasyāttā bhavati taṃ vai saṃvatsaro nānījanamatīyādāyurvai saṃvatsara āyurevaitadamṛtamātmandhatte
    ‘He who thus sacrifices with an animal, redeems himself. This meat is the best food. He becomes the one who eats the best food. Let not a year go without him sacrificing thus – a year of good health. He gives himself immortality and good health.'”
    Then from RigVeda he quotes what seems to be explicit descriptions of slaughter and consumption:
    “RV 1.162:
    eṣa chāgaḥ puro aśvena vājinā pūṣṇo bhāgo nīyate viśvadevyaḥ
    This she-goat who is Pusan’s share is led towards the steed.
    yad dhaviṣyam ṛtuśo devayānaṃ trirmānuṣāḥ paryaśvaṃ nayanti
    Thrice the men lead the horse around as it goes to the Gods.
    ad vājino dāma sundānamarvato yā śīrṣaṇyā …
    … tṛṇaṃ sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu
    May the steed’s reins etc. grass in the mouth be among the Gods.
    yadaśvasya kraviṣo makṣikāśa …
    yad dhastayoḥ śamituryan nakheṣu sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu
    What horse’s flesh the fly ate, …
    … what was stuck to the hands and nails of the slayer, may this too be amongst the Gods
    yadūvadhyamudarasyāpavāti ya āmasya kraviṣo gandho asti
    What undigested food is in it’s stomach and the smell of the flesh
    …medhaṃ śṛtapākaṃ pacantu
    May the sacrifice be nicely cooked
    yat te gātrādagninā pacyamānādabhi …
    That from your limbs which is cooked by fire
    mā tad bhūmyāmā śriṣan mā tṛṇeṣu devebhyastaduśadbhyo
    May that left on the ground or grass be willingly offered to the Gods.
    ye vājinaṃ paripaśyanti pakvaṃ ya īmāhuḥ surabhirnirhareti
    ye cārvato māṃsabhikṣāmupāsata uto teṣāmabhigūrtirna invatu
    They who look out for the cooked (or ready) steed, say the smell is good
    They who await the distribution of meat, their approval strengthen this
    nikramaṇaṃ niṣadanaṃ vivartanaṃ yacca paḍbīśamarvataḥ
    yacca papau yacca ghāsiṃ jaghāsa sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu
    Where it walked, where it rested and paced around ropes that bound its feet
    What it drank, what it masticated, all these are among Gods
    catustriṃśad vājino devabandhorvaṅkrīraśvasya svadhitiḥsameti
    The axe falls upon the 34-ribbed steed who is Gods’ own
    yā te gātrāṇām ṛtuthā kṛṇomi tā-tā piṇḍanāṃ pra juhomyagnau
    Of these limbs, I set in order, make balls and to fire I offer
    mā tvā tapat priya ātmāpiyantaṃ mā svadhitistanva ātiṣṭhipat te
    Let not your dear soul heat up, let not the axe remain (stuck) in you
    na vā u etan mriyase na riṣyasi devānideṣi pathibhiḥ sugebhiḥ
    No you (the sacrificed horse) aren’t dead or injured, you go to Gods on good roads
    sugavyaṃ no vājī svaśvyaṃ puṃsaḥ putrānuta viśvāpuṣaṃ rayim
    May this steed give us good cattle, manly sons, nourishing riches.”
    He further writes:
    “We only have to take any Brahmaṇa and read the verses recited in a typical animal sacrifice yajña to determine the purpose, based on the yūpa (sacrifical post) …
    KB_10.1.10: pālāśam.brahma.varcasa.kāmaḥ.kurvīta
    KB_10.1.11: bailvam.anna.adya.kāmaḥ
    KB_10.1.12: khādiram.svarga.kāmaḥ
    KB_10.9.2: sarvā.ha.vai.devatāḥ.paśum.ālabhyamānam.upasaṃgacchante.mama.nāma.grahīṣyati”
    Regarding the use of a grain-cake doll in animal form used in certain yajnas, he says:
    “ABR_2.1.8: tad yat paśau puroḷāśam anunirvapanti: samedhena naḥ paśuneṣṭam asat, kevalena naḥ paśuneṣṭam asad iti
    So the grain cake was originally not a substitute of the animal – but an accompaniment in the sacrifice.”
    “Referring to the grain-cake it says : it’s husk be the hair, the chaff the skin, the flakes it’s blood, the pounded grain it’s flesh; the hard mass be it’s bones.
    ABR_2.9.2: tasya yāni kiṃśārūṇi tāni romāṇi, ye tuṣāḥ sā tvag, ye phalīkaraṇās tad asṛg, yat piṣṭaṃ kiknasās tan māṃsaṃ, yat ՚0 kiṃ ՚0 cit ՚0 kaṃsāraṃ tad asthi”

  19. OK I found some alternative translations myself from the Hindi commentary published at:
    http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/rugveda/rugveda.htm
    Here it is in case anyone reads this:
    The people that my friend above had quoted think the whole chapter is one long description of men killing their horses and eating them. Words like “yUpa” are taken to mean a a very specific and limited object – the sacrificial post to which the animal is tied, etc. But it doesn’t have to mean something so limited and specific at all. People like Sayana, etc may have surveyed the contemporary ritual scene around them and given the Veda such specific meanings. A lot of the translations in this view are plausible, but don’t really make any sense whatsoever, nor do they do justice to the Sanskrit language. In Sw. Dayananda’s translation, they seems to make some sense, are supported by fact, and are plausible too.
    verse 3: eṣa chāgaḥ puro aśvena vājinā pūṣṇo bhāgo nīyate viśvadevyaḥ
    Here is Sw. Dayananda’s bhAvArtha (my translations from Hindi):
    “The knowledgeable man who feeds his horses goat’s milk and who partakes of well-cooked food is always peaceful.”
    Those who rear and show horses know that, especially prior to a horse show, they feed their horses goat-milk. This is supposed to calm down the horses, reduce their nervousness and anxiety, and make them stable, peaceful and alert, especially before a significant event (like a sacrifice perhaps? or maybe any other event).
    (My only question about Dayananda’s translation is that “chAga” is masculine, no?)
    verse 4:
    yad dhaviṣyam ṛtuśo devayānaṃ trirmānuṣāḥ paryaśvaṃ nayanti
    Sw. Dayananda’s translation: “Those who create vehicles that can adapt and thrive in all seasons, and who raise horses and goats for the benefit of the world, they attain to all three – physical, spoken and mental peace and health.”
    verse 8:
    ad vājino dāma sundānamarvato yā śīrṣaṇyā …
    … tṛṇaṃ sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu
    Sw. Dayananda’s bhAvArtha: “Those men of awareness who maintain their horses securely, their senses reined in, and adorned with the best equipments, and who then feed them well and get them to execute mighty tasks, such people can accomplish the highest behaviors such as victory, etc.”
    verse 9:
    yadaśvasya kraviṣo makṣikāśa …
    yad dhastayoḥ śamituryan nakheṣu sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu
    Why is “shamitR” translated as “slayer” in that other translation? Clearly its not proceeding from the Sanskrit roots, where it means “one who keeps his mind calm; tranquillized , relieved , quelled , quenched, etc.”. Clearly, the word “slayer” is used only because the translator above is proceeding from the assumption that the scene is one of animal slaughter.
    His bhAvArtha: “Attendants should maintain the horses so that they are not troubled by malodorous smears on their body, and the flies, mosquitoes and their stings that it attracts. With their hands, nails and ropes, etc they must create a fine harness and goad, so that the beast learns to move according to human will. By doing so, the horse becomes restrained, focused and obedient and can do great works.”
    verse 10:
    yadūvadhyamudarasyāpavāti ya āmasya kraviṣo gandho asti…
    Sw. Dayananda’s bhAvArtha: “Men are relieved from stomach diseases and problems with the apAna-vAyu by eating well-cooked and medicinal foods.”
    verse 11:
    yat te gātrādagninā pacyamānādabhi …
    …mā tad bhūmyāmā śriṣan mā tṛṇeṣu devebhyastaduśadbhyo
    Sw. Dayananda’s bhAvArtha: “Able bodied men of awareness ought to know that in battle they must wield their weapons thoughtfully and not in frenzied rage, clinically intending only to kill the enemy – for a weapon wielded in rage may fall onto the ground, etc. (and therefore defeat the purpose).”
    verse 12:
    ye vājinaṃ paripaśyanti pakvaṃ ya īmāhuḥ surabhirnirhareti
    ye cārvato māṃsabhikṣāmupāsata uto teṣāmabhigūrtirna invatu
    His bhAvArtha: “Those people who know how to purify, cook and consume food and water, and who abjure meat and consume well cooked diets that compensates for all nutrients, such people are active and blessed with perseverance.”
    verse 14:
    nikramaṇaṃ niṣadanaṃ vivartanaṃ yacca paḍbīśamarvataḥ
    yacca papau yacca ghāsiṃ jaghāsa sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu
    Sw. Dayananda’s translation: “Oh knowledgeable trainer, just as a beautifully trained steed walks and jumps obediently and majestically, in the same way people who are taught by those with high knowingness become civilized; just as horses eat and drink their fill and digest it fully, so also may there be men radiant with such trained knowledge.”
    verse 18:
    catustriṃśad vājino devabandhorvaṅkrīraśvasya svadhitiḥsameti
    Sw. Dayananda’s translation: “Oh men! That cause from which electric lightening is produced (in the sky), that cause actually pervades everything here on earth too. Try to bring that much of this lightening into your use as does not hurt or endanger life and limb. For those who know the properties of Agni (elemental Fire) and suitably by experiment make use of its properties, for them what work cannot be accomplished, i.e. all is made possible!”
    However, I do think that the number “34” is interesting. Most horses have 36 ribs, though some Arabian steeds have 34, and so this number in this verse is certainly interesting. In comparison, the above translation doesn’t tell what “34 properties” are.
    from verse 19:
    yā te gātrāṇām ṛtuthā kṛṇomi tā-tā piṇḍanāṃ pra juhomyagnau
    Sw. Dayananda’s interpretation: “For that knowledgeable one who can analyze and splits all elements, who uses the different forms of electric charge as per the seasonal mode, availability and creative potential, and who accomplishes mighty tasks by knowing the praised properties of Agni and feeding the flames with masses of wood and other materials that posses concentrated parts (‘samghAton ke ang’), how can such a man not be the knower of shilpavidyA (art of constructive activity and translating Idea into Form)?”
    verse 20:
    mā tvā tapat priya ātmāpiyantaṃ mā svadhitistanva ātiṣṭhipat te
    Sw. Dayananda’s take: “Those men who practice yoga and oneness, death does not trouble them by fatal diseases, and even other diseases do not trouble them during life as they do to men with material hankerings.”
    verse 21:
    na vā u etan mriyase na riṣyasi devānideṣi pathibhiḥ sugebhiḥ
    Sw. Dayananda’s take: “Those men who consolidate their minds by the practice of yoga, especially those divine yogis who find Dharmic pathways of executing yoga, they link their Souls with the Supersoul, and are said to have obtained freedom (moksha).”
    verse 22:
    sugavyaṃ no vājī svaśvyaṃ puṃsaḥ putrānuta viśvāpuṣaṃ rayim
    Sw. Dayananda says that this verse has a vAcaka-luptOpamA-alankAra..a broken simile that omits the particle of comparison. So his translation is: “Those who use the knowledge of the elemental Earth and other elements in order to raise and nourish cattle, horses and human children with strength, and who accumulate capital and then use the speed of Agni element to expand the rashtra and yet remain without corruption and peaceful, such men should try to make others also like this.”
    Sw. Dayananda adds: “This sUkta of the RigVeda manifests the ashvarUpa aspect of Agni, and by understanding it in this way it is coherent with the previous sUkta. It is important to observe this significant point.”

  21. can you explain this verse agniveer The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 6/4/18 He who wishes that a son should be born to him who would be a reputed scholar, frequenting the assemblies and speaking delightful words, would study all the Vedas and attain a full term of life, should have rice cooked with the meat of a vigorous bull or one more advanced in years, and he and his wife should eat it with clarified butter. Then they would be able to produce such a son.?

    • First, Brihadaranyak is not an evidence for us. We accept it only to extent it complies with Vedas. But this is with regards to some other aspects of Brihadaranyak. As for this reference, do let us know which word in verse means “meat of a vigorous bull’ and you will get the answer.

      • i dont understand what you are tryng to say the verse clearly say ‘ rice cooked with meat of vigourous bull’ i understand you dont fully follow upanishads but you can help also can you explain ‘The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad’ at 6/4/13 If anybody’s wife has the monthly sickness, she should drink of three days out of a cup (Kamsa). No Sudra man or woman should touch her. After three nights she should bathe, put on a new cloth, and be put to thresh rice.

      • Brihadaranyak is not written in English brother. Please look at original Sanskrit and let us know which word means “meat of vigorous bull”. You will get the answer. As for 6/4/13, again you are requested to provide original reference.

      • That is the point brother. There are thousands of allegations flying without credible referencing. First step should be to get the original source. And then instead of debating on translation, we can analyze the source. In this case. words that mean herbs were used to mean bull by translators, with fundamental flaw.

      • Namaste Agniveerji,,
        This is the Original Sanskrit Verse( i dont have Hindi Fonts ),
        Brihadaranyak 6:4:18 :-” Atha Ya IchetPutro Mae Pandito Vigitah Samitingamah Shu’shrushitaam Vaacham Bhashitaa Jaayet , Sarvaan’Vedan’Nu’BruVeet ,SarvaMaayuriyaDiti ,Maasoudanam PaachaYitva Sarpisham’antam’Shriyatam ; Ishwaro Janyitve –Oukshen VaarshBhen Vaa ..”
        Madhavaananda has Translated this verse in English .. I think the word “Maasoudanam” wil be in question as he has not given word by word translations. he says the meat is restricted to the “vigorous bull” or “one more advanced in years”..
        Also i dont understand the fact that Upanishads were supposed to give Spiritual Knowledge … Do other upanishads also have such Wordly knowledge?
        An also pls tell which word has been misinterpreted..
        i think the whole last part of this Upanishad is Nonsense and in Contradiction with Vedas.

      • Dear Roshan,
        So you see words in contention are:
        Maasoudanam
        Oukshen
        Varshbhen
        Now Maansa means pulp. Amramansa means pulp of mango. It does not mean meat always.
        The words Oukshen and Varshbhen are alleged to mean bull. But if both mean bull, why two words are used? No one explains this.
        If you refer even to Monier Williams Dictionary (Monier was a critic of Hindu culture and has clearly stated that his goal for writing this dictionary was to make Hindus hate Hinduism and accept Bible), he clearly lists the two words to mean certain kind of herbs apart from bull. So the verse talks about eating pulp of these herbs. This is further corroborated by previous verses, none of which refer to meat. They talk about having a child with mastery over 1 Ved, 2 Ved, 3 Ved and then 4 Ved (this verse).
        So it is clear that the verse is not about meat at least.
        Coming to our own view on Upanishads, here it is:
        Ishopanishad is amazing, source of all great philosophies and unparalleled in literature available. Geeta is based on Ishopanishad.
        Other Upanishads like Katha, Kena, Mundak, Mandukya, Shwetashwatar, Aitareya, Prashna are good source of spiritual wisdom. But they are not as perfect as ishopanishad.
        Chhandogya and Brihadaranyak are not recommended by us. Either we have been unable to understand them or they have been adulterated. But whatever be the case, we find several objectionable things in them that are against Vedas, if we go by all available translations and whatever we could think of. If you leave these parts aside, they do contain a lot of good material as well. But we will definitely not recommend them to those who are still developing their spiritual framework and have a lot of questions.

      • i believe roshan thankfully gave sanskrit verse but the problem is the english translation is done by vedanta asaram they follow upanishads they say this is only for set time while vedanta goes above this verse but if you dont read the commentary and see the verse you would think this verse allows eating bull and those that follow upanishads didnt know about it

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