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Vedas – Myths and Misconceptions

Sanjeev Newar
By Sanjeev Newar
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

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Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

Some big myths on Vedas and how they are most dangerous to our culture:

Myth 1: Vedas are not revealed. They are written by Rishis

Fact: Vedas were provided at inception of civilization by Paramatma and not created by an human.

Brief Analysis:

a. All ancient aarsh texts and even new Purans consider Vedas as revealed knowledge. Even Vedas claim so. Further there is no evidence whatsoever to make a claim that Vedas are written by Rishis.

b. Rishis are those people who through their deep meditation found meanings of these verses. The suktas on which a particular Rishi meditated is referred with that Rishi’s name. So Rishi are Mantra-Drashta and not Mantra-Rachayita (They are seers and not creators of Mantras)

c. Many mantras in Vedas have more than one rishis. Some have even thousand rishis. How can thousand rishis together make one verse?

d. The same Mantra in Vedas occurring at different sections have different Rishis. How can that be possible if Rishis were creators of mantras?

e. The logic of those refuting revealed status of Vedas fall in two broad categories
Logic 1: They cannot be revealed because there is no Paramatma, and as per theory of evolution and discoveries of archaeology, man could not be so advanced millions years ago. Further this is against modern science.

Refutation:
– There is no way modern or any science can prove that Paramatma does not exist. So-called scientists have no answer to fundamental questions of universe – who ensures that laws of universe work? what started this process of creation and degeneration? what ensures that we feel pain and sorrow and pleasures. And who is “we”?

Athiests have no answers to these. As a man with advanced studies of modern science by grace of my education, I could find no answers except vague statements to these answers.

– Theory of evolution is a largely rejected theory today because recent discoveries of science and genes do not provide any conclusive evidence towards it. There is no proven theory (and mere conjectures) to answer how humans got created from dust? Why we see snippets of advancements of science and technology in ancient ages if those were indeed primitive times (like iron pillar of delhi, pyramids of egypt, speed of light in Sayana Bhashya, description of aeroplane making in Vimana Shstra etc etc)

– Archeology is a big hoax. What these archeologists do is create entire structure of humanoid in diagrams merely from a biig tooth like stone they discover in one place. There are several excellent resources on net available which discuss these hoaxes in detail.
Basically, the modus operandi of archaeologists suffer from very serious flaws: they have scratched not even .1% of entire earth surface and yet make tall claims, they forget that decay of organic/inorganic things they expect to discover can be much more severe than what their simple maths calculations predict. their dating methods are at best grossly inaccurate, their conjecture that any object could be tooth or bone is highly based on imaginations alone.

Please read http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/sci-ev/sci_vs_ev_TOC.htm for a good detailed review among many available from scholars.

Thus ceteras paribus, there is no evidence whatsoever to prove that Vedas were not revealed and plethora to prove that they are revealed.
This fact of revelation of Vedas is the core foundation of our culture. The moment you try to shake it, you would foolishly put yourself in same category as Islam or Christianity. Any difference with them then becomes only a temporary political issue and not one based on sound logic and reason. The whole of so-called Hindutva and culture movement then falls flat. Because if none is ultimate truth, how you justify that some other psycho, rapist, murderer, jehadi etc is wrong and you are right. Afterall in that case, everyone is equally worng and equally right.

Logic 2: Islam is a brutal religion. Islam is based on belief that Quran is revealed text. Hence anyone who believes on any revealed text is brutal. Since we are not brutal, we cannot beleive that any text (vedas or anything else) can be revealed.

Refutation:
This is the logic Sri Elst has provided. Perhaps this is the irony of those who may have mugged up lot of facts but did not do a thorough practical course in science and logical analysis. That is why perhaps, our ancient education system had so mush of strong emphasis on maths and science. Even Dayanand emphasised the same for same reason – Rote mugging and worshipping stones will make your intellect stone! (This is as per Vidur Niti, if I am correct)

By this logic, whatever Islam believes in, we cannot believe in same! They believe that humans have two legs. So we cannot have two legs! They believe that one should not consume alcohol, so we should start becoming drunkards. They believe Christians will go to hell. Hence we should believe Christians should go to heaven!!

The difference in Quran and Vedas are manifold:
a. Quran was revealed (if at all!) few hundred years ago. Even foreign so-called scholars believe Vedas to be first texts of mankind. A revealed text must be revealed at beginning of creation and not in between.
b. Quran is written in Arabic, a language specfic to a geography. Vedas are in vedic Sanskrit which is mother of all languages of world today
c. Quran contains location specfic descriptions and customs. Vedas contain no geography or history
d. Quran beleives itself to be final edition of God’s message. Now first, God’s message, by definition, has to be flawless and not subject to modifications. And if indeed modifications are necessary in God’s message, then there can be no FINAL edition. The process should then continue.
Vedas on other hand are one and same – they cannot be altered, contain fundamental truths. Their applicability may change depending in times. But the core rules are always applicable.
e. A revealed text should contain source of all possible knowledge. Only Vedas pass this litmus test.
f. Vedas can not be altered at all. Many editions of Quran exist
g. Quran was started by Prophet Muhammad – his personal life exemplifies his character!

etc etc.

So to assume that Vedas are not revealed because Quran is not revealed is only a defect of logic-less mind and prejudice.

Myth 2: Vedas contain Polytheism

Fact: Vedas contain worship of one and only one Paramatma

Brief Analysis:
Logics given by believers of this myth are as follows:

Logic 1: Vedas contain names of many Gods and Goddesses
Refutation:
a. Paramatma is omnipotent and limited human mind cannot comprehend all attributes of Paramatma at same time. So vedas contain prayers to same one Paramatma. Different mantras however focus on different attributes of Paramatma and hence use different adjectives for Paramatma.

b. Even Vedas claim that there is only one Ishwar and not more than that.

Logic 2: Vedic suktas have names of Devatas associated with them. These are the various Gods and Goddesses.
Refutation:

The name of Devata associated with Vedic mantras refer to the subject of that particular sukta. That has nothing to do with various Gods and Goddesses in conventional sense. There are 33 devatas referred in Vedic texts, but this is also clearly elucidated that these refer to inanimate objects and not worth being worshipped. Vedas clearly proclaim that Paramatma is One and He alone is to be worshipped.

The whole confusion comes because ignorants assume Devata to be synonym of Paramatma. Devata means something or someone that gives, enlighten or illuminates. So in many contexts, Paramatma is also Devata. But so is soul/ Atman and all other animate and inanimate objects which satisfies this meaning of Devata. Thus parents, teacher, scholars, spouse are also devatas. Devatas deserve respect because they give us selfless benefits.

But Devata is not the goal of Worship, only Paramatma is, and Vedas are extremely clear on this.
Myth 3: Vedas can be interpreted by western scholars better because they are more scientific:
Fact: To be eligible to interpret Vedas, one has to qualify certain minimum basic requirements

Brief Analysis:
Vedas are for every human being. But to be able to decipher meanings of vedic mantras in scholarly manner, several requirements are must:
a. Understanding of roots of vedic words, grammar and usages
b. A scientific and rational temper of mind
c. And most importantly, being a yogi.

Just as you do not get admitted to IIT or IIM without passing the entrance test, one cannot be eligible to comment on Vedas unless he or she is a yogi.

In other words, one cannot be taken seriously on vedic matters if he or she is say a drunkard, meat-eater, prone to anger, egoist, frustrated, hedonist, etc etc. Simply put he or she has to be a yogi to be a rishi (one who can understand the true meaning of Vedas).

Thus Vedas is not a text which every Tom, Dick or Harry can start commenting upon merely by studying some basic conventional sanskrit grammar and reading few sanskrit books. The mantras of Vedas are to be unlocked through process of deep meditation and contemplation. More one progresses on yogic path, more clearly is he or she able to understand Vedas. But for a non-yogi with stone mind, only stones can be obtained from Vedas.

Most western scholars, based upon their PhDs from universities based on and equipped for non-vedic studies start assuming that they have a preferential superiority over analysing Vedas. They simply ignore the eligibility conditions for entering into vedic arena.

This is not a blanket statement against all foreigners, but simply on basis of works of most prominent western indologists. This is also not to say that these problems are not infecting those native of India. In fact the problem is much more severe because of their inferiority complex coupled with prejudiced mindsets – likes of Romila Thapar, DN Jha etc are ready examples.

Thus all those who claim to have superior claim on Vedas because of their so-called scientific studies need to be analysed more in detail. People who turn out to be non-yogis (as per Paatanjal Yoga Sutra) have to rejected outrightly.

I shall elucidate on more myths and in more details in future. I wrote this small piece to provide a sense of direction in this matter.

Om

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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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  1. Pradeep,
    You can read translation of Vedas and other Hindu scriptures at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm. If you are new, start with Upanishads, Bhagabad Gita before going to Vedas. Vedas are vast and not meant for the impatient. Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita are essence of Vedas but they do not replace Vedas. Vedic path is that self inquiry, self realization where in the follower has to make his own journey with the help of a guru. Good Luck.

    • It is better to remain ignorant of Vedas than to gain knowledge about Vedas from Ralph Griffith's translations. I prefer translations by Arya Samaj(Maharaishi Dayanand) and All World Gayatri Pariwar(Pandit Shriram Sharma Acharya).

      • I completely agree. The translations of western indologists are basically trash. Unfortunately many Hindu sites also simply put Griffith's translations online. I believe that an English translation that appeals to common man should be developed. They can be evolved from existing Hindi and Sanskrit translations. Dhanyavad

      • "Unfortunately many Hindu sites also simply put Griffith's translations online."
        Correct. Classic case is this site: http://www.vedrahasya.net
        Yesterday, I dropped a mail to this site to remove those idologists translations.
        Rig Veda says "Krunvanto Vishwam Aryam". ( 9.63.5). I did a simple exercise. I checked translation of this by Griffith and Wilson:
        "Performing every noble work, active, augmenting Indra's strength,
        Driving away the godless ones." (Griffith's translation)
        http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv09063.h…
        "Augmenting Indra,urging the waters,making all our acts prsperous,destroying witholders of oblatins" (Wilson)
        Now the phrase is not even typical Vedic Sanskrit. It is a very simple phrase to translate.But to Griffith the words "Krunvanto" and "Vishwam" do not exist. To Wilson, all three words do not exist in the verse. The cardinal mimansa rule of interpreation is "Yatha Vachanam Tatha vachanikam" (Read it as it is without adding anything or subtracting anything).Messrs.Wilson and Griffith discard this rule. Probably, the motive is to paint the word "Aryan" as racist. Translating the words as "Ennoble the whole world" would mean they cannot attribute racist connotations to the word.
        Agniveerji, I suggest u take a dozen cases like this-simple to translate sentences and show how these indologists have messed up translations to achieve their agenda.

      • If you read Introduction to Monier Williams Dictionary of Sanskrit-English, he clearly admits that the Boden Chair was established to convert the Indians to Christianity. This Boden Chair of Oxford funded all the research work of Indologists. He also admitted that the purpose of his dictionary was to help missionaries spread Christianity. You can find innumerable evidences in his dictionary that exhibit his unhidden agenda.
        I indeed want to take this project as well. Let me just complete a few more projects. If you can provide me a list of controversial verses – where they have provided stupid meanings, that would ease the effort.
        Dhanyavad

      • What if there is contradiction between Veda and Mahabharata or Veda and manusmriti.. What to follow… Any reference in scripture????

      • Sir, I hope someday in the future Arya Samaj will decide to make english translations, I know this is a hard and lengthy process, but if this happens, no one including zakir naik can fool people in vedas. Sadly, I have seen many hindus after zakir naik's lecture embrace islam. First, I was thinking they must be fake people whom zakir naik paid, otherwise these fools have no idea how great Vedas are. I just learned Vedic Mathematics and it was great. Nothing is greater than Vedas.

    • asalamoalaikum… mr agniveer what a explanation …..
      Vedas are for every human being. But to be able to decipher meanings of vedic mantras in scholarly manner, several requirements are must:
      a. Understanding of roots of vedic words, grammar and usages
      b. A scientific and rational temper of mind
      c. And most importantly, being a yogi.
      Just as you do not get admitted to IIT or IIM without passing the entrance test, one cannot be eligible to comment on Vedas unless he or she is a yogi.
      In other words, one cannot be taken seriously on vedic matters if he or she is say a drunkard, meat-eater, prone to anger, egoist, frustrated, hedonist, etc etc. Simply put he or she has to be a yogi to be a rishi (one who can understand the true meaning of vedas).
      Thus Vedas is not a text which every Tom, Dick or Harry can start commenting upon merely by studying some basic conventional sanskrit grammar and reading few sanskrit books. The mantras of vedas are to be unlocked through process of deep meditation and contemplation. More one progresses on yogic path, more clearly is he or she able to understand Vedas. But for a non-yogi with stone mind, only stones can be obtained from Vedas.
      bro i want only one thiong that plzzz you too dont comment on vedas since you might not be any meat eater or drunk yard but you r indeed ego centric,,liar and prone to anger..
      also it is not at all that only yogi can translate a veda…i wanna know is your vedas wriiten in sme non understandable language or a language out of this world..clearly not ..vedas have many translation ,,or you can say almost all translation clear only few r in parable form…
      and how you concluded that meat eaters cannot translate vedas…
      when vedas them self testify that you can have meet..
      reference..
      Vedas are considered as most ancient and most sacred. We find mentioning of non-vegetarian food in Vedas too it is mentioned in Rig-Veda book 10 Hymn 27 verse 2 “Then will I, when I lead my friends to battle against the radiant persons of godless, prepare for thee at home a vigorous bullock, and pour for thee the fifteen fold strong juices”
      now plzz try to make me understand some other meaning of this verse…it is clear and umbagious and is in context…
      so keep your vedic knowledge with you and you too dont comment if the requirement is to become a yogi…
      try to preach the arya dharma to nonmuslim idolaters than criticising muslims….
      tell them that there r no gods but one true god[allah,ishwar,paramatma]by whatever butyful name u call….
      we practice more than the idolater hindus..
      allah haviz…

      • infact quran is the butyful book containing ambiguous words suitable for each age and contains many phrases and words which only allah and his rasool knows..on which there can be no comment..
        many translators have said that the most dificult book to be translated is quran coz every tym we translate we feel that there is smething missing ,,that is allah meant more than we have translated…
        the translation available by yusuf ali, pickthall r not wrong but you can say allah meant much deeper than the translation…
        see how butyfully allah send his message by the very first verse revealed on beloved prophet in surah alaq..
        iqra ! iqra bismi rabbikal lazi khalaq..khalaqal insana min alaq..
        that is read . read in the name of thy lord who made..made the human from alaq
        alaq means congealed clot of blood[understandable at the tym of prophet muhammad[pbuh and now too]
        alaq means [sme thing which sucks the blood or simply suck ]
        or alaq means leech lyk or jonk in hindi[modern science has now be able to answer that embroy at its very 1st stage look lyk leech which sucks food from mother body..
        thus confirming the verse of quran and its applicability today
        that describes the buty of quran and its applicability at every age….
        alhumdullilah[praise be to allah]
        and wow to you people who even after seeing the clear proofs not percieving it…
        may allah guide you to straight path…
        allah haviz…

      • asalamoalaikum vajra..ya sure bro ……
        the first verseof quran ::::::surah fateha .. alhumdulillah e rabbil alameen…
        that is..praise be to allah[one true god] the lord of the worlds…
        also i didnt exepted that a non yogi can not comment on vedas…plzz read my reply once again.i said if this is the requirement then agniveer also shud keep his comments and description with him..since he is ego centric,,partial..and prone to anger…
        allah haviz,..

      • Namaste Rashid Bhai
        What about Bismillah? I found “Bismillah…” as the first verse and you found “alhumdulillah e rabbil alameen”, whats the matter?
        I will talk about Alak etc later, first lets sort this matter of first verse of Quran out.
        Stating truth is nothing to do with ego or partiality or anger. Refute Agniveer’s claims as they have refuted Allah’s word Quran. And by the way, forget about Agniveer, I can prove Allah not only ego centric, partial and prone to anger but a beggar asking for debt from people, arranging women for prophet, enemy of His own creature, and much more. So better not to comment about Agniveer whether they are Yogi or not.
        Namaste..

      • Rashid Masood
        You just accepted that any Non Yogi, meat eater, drinker cant be taken seriously in the matters of translations of Mantras. Now you quote Griffith for the same and prove meat eating in Vedas! Could you see the circular logic of yours?
        You wrote-“so keep your vedic knowledge with you and you too dont comment if the requirement is to become a yogi”
        How do you know that Agniveer is not Yogi?
        You wrote-“try to preach the arya dharma to nonmuslim idolaters than criticising muslims”
        Muslims are biggest idolaters of the world because they bow to the biggest idol of the world, Kaba. In addition to that they visit graves and worship the dead. So you see Muslims need in fact more serious treatment than any so called idolaters because problem with Muslims is that they dont even accept that they are idolaters irrespective of the fact that they are. This is not the case with others. They accept that they worship God through idols.
        I think Agniveer is fair to both Hindus and Muslims to preach them equally and not favoring anyone unlike Islam, which favors Muslims always and curses non Muslims. So get out of this mindset of “first preach your hindu brothers” because for saints like Agniveer, whole world is their brother and sister and they do not favor only one.
        Namaste..

      • asalamoalaikum vajra..peace be upon you..
        you said me abt the circular logic..
        i used the logic coz…
        agniveer used it…
        and u say me how come i know that agniveer is yogi or not..well i ask you the same how can you say that i consume meat.
        a muslim can be a good muslim even by not having meat…
        now here we come to same rounded logic..
        you concluded that i am a meat eater coz i m a muslim..
        i concluded that mr agniveer is non yogi since he is self centered and egoist and the description and articles by him on this site clearly describes it..
        and no where its written in vedas that meat eater cant understand vedas..
        i will soon answer this mr agniveer on the false accusation about dr zakir and his vedic translation..
        and regarding idol worship..
        which foolish told you that we worship qaaba or sange asbath..or mukaame ibraheem…
        well bro it will be clear to you by the neeyat we do while we worship almighty allah..
        it is neeyat ki maine namaz waqt [the tym i.e fazir,zohar,asir,maghrib,isha..thast is the tym of namaz from the prescribed 5 times] ..muh mera kaba ki taraf waste allah k..allah o akbar..
        i intend to perform prayer ,the tym being [the respective tym ],facing toeards kaaba for the almighty allah[god,parmeshwar or parmatma in ur toungue]…
        so its clear that namaaz is only for allah not for kaaba..
        kaaba is only our kiblah..that is direction…
        it was choosen coz we muslim believe in unity and universal brotherhood…while performing salah[prayer] each namazi whether be king or faqeer stand side to side joining shoulder..showing the equality and no difference in terms of color,caste or smething else…
        the khanna qabah was built by prophet abraham and was the first place of worshiping allah..
        since abraham[pbuh] built the qabah with very effection and love and took 7 rounds to see the finishing so in his memory god made every haji to encircle around kabah lyk abraham..and made the direction of kabah as qiblah for our prayers..
        thats all..
        not more than it…
        we dont worship it but consider it to be a direction while praying and show our unity and universal brotherhood…

      • Rashid Bhai Namaste
        1. I never said that you consume meat. I said so for western indologists!
        2. BTW, its a fact that a Muslim cant be a true Muslim unless he/she sacrifices! Quran says-
        “So pray to your Lord, the prayer of the Festival of Immolation (‘īd al-nahr), and sacrifice, your offering.” [108:2]
        Brother these lies of Zakir Bhai MBBS to trap vegetarians will be busted here, so try to avoid using Taqiyya on this site!
        3. You wrote-“no where its written in vedas that meat eater cant understand vedas”
        Well its not written in Quran that an animal cannot write commentary on Quran, does it mean an animal can write commentary on Quran? Thats apart if you really want to know about the reality of meat eating in Vedas, refer http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/
        4. What will happen if I dont face Kaba while praying? What is the necessity of facing Kaba? Can in a mosque, all Muslims poor and rich sitting side by side face any direction other than Kaba? Why not, they will be still united and equal?
        5. You said Kaba was the first place of worshipping Allah! So you mean from Adam to Abrahim, all people were unaware of worshipping? What was the need for making place of worship? Why dont you accept that Kaba is house of Allah and you worship it just like idol worshippers worship their idols?
        6. What is so special with 7 rounds? Can you refuse to take rounds if it is just in the remembrance of Abraham? When you repeat such a small thing of Abraham which he did to test the finishing, why not repeat other things like gathering stones, labor and many more? Why is it that your Hajj visit is incomplete without taking 7 rounds?
        7. Why do you kiss the stone? I know you will come up with another silly answer. I know its difficult for you to accept that kissing and circumambulation etc were the practices of idol worshippers Pagans which Muslims had to adopt.
        Visit http://agniveer.com/1685/kaba-or-idol-worship/ to know more about Kaba worship.
        I ask you, what is the problem in Vedic belief of worship in which neither associating any person (like Muhammad) in the prayers is needed nor bowing before any stone is needed. Why dont you come back to Dharm of Vedas of your ancestors?

      • Yawn,yawn… How many times can you guys repeat this nonsense from ZN? Please point us to the verse in Veda that concludes that Quran is the so called final scripture.

      • Hello, hindu literatures whatever it may be were written thousands of year before kuran or bible were written . So its a known fact that who has copied whom .

    • this is not a good website for hindu scriptures most of the scriptures are done by max muller,grifth,chand etc they are not vedic or sanskrit scholors they cant be authentic

    • You said Vedas are for entire
      Mankind then why you say Vedas for people of Aryavaart. Are your god is god of India? But Allah is for entire world.
      Don’t confuse people.

      • The scriptures say that the entire world is referred to as Aryans. But later, people started giving names to the places and tribes they originate from and then the word “Aryans” became the name of a tribe. The word “Aryans” refers to the entire humanity, bro.

  2. Come under the shade of Vedas and all your doubts will cease. Vedas are the only texts which claim that truth and logic go hand in hand with faith. All others would like you to have faith without scrutiny. Do let me know if you are interested.

  3. Namaster
    Its really wonderful what u’ve written.. In fact, I’ve just started reading Rg Ved with the help of my guruji n zen after reading the mantras guruji xplains to us.. Its really wonderful, it makes me feel getting a new direction.. Sir, if you can just write more.. Recently, I read an article about its was about “Why I am not a hindu” on the net itself.. N the person has wrote about The infallibility of the Vedas .. If you can just elaborate on it..

    • If you give me the link, I can elaborate more. Remember – the only purposeful way of living passes through Vedas. Some may claim that this is a dogmatic statement. However this is farthest from truth. The oldest books on earth, instead, are the most scientific texts available to humanity. The claim for infallibility is not based on any blind prejudice or marketing, as in case of other religious books. Instead its based on intuitive logic – that if God is perfect, his knowledge also is perfect and need not change every now and then. Also, no other book can claim either the accuracy, universalization or comprehensiveness of Vedas. Its a different matter that vested interests and prejudices make them interpret Vedas as per their own thought directions. Keep reading this blog and I promise to bring more relevant matter to fore on this.

  4. western translaters can never ever translate vedas .
    Why pepole always believe which is approved by todays modern science only. Science can not answer of all the questions .Todays science stands nowere in front of the kind of science and logics are used in vedas . They are limited to the atomic world only which is based on the atom. Logics behind the vedas can not be understand by todays morden science and they can never proof it.
    Any thing which is approved by VEDAS is the ulimate trurh and the correct path to follow ;Because vedas is the supreme science which answers all the questions.

  5. Hiya AgniVeer
    Well, all what you’ve written is interesting. I’m an atheist/agnostic but still I respect the Vedas and other texts of Sanatan Dharma simply because they are powerhouses of knowledge. By contrast, the Bible and Quran seem pure fictitious with the claim that the previous texts had got corrupted. O really? Then may be that the all-powerful (?)Allah is useless since he could not protect his own ‘word’ – Bible from corruption by Satan. And further how is he going to protect us humans by this yardstick? That makes Satan more powerful than Allah. All sorts of contradictions.
    But here you’ve mentioned that the Vedas and Bhagawad Gita have no contradictions. Sorry for being rude, but nitwits like Zakir Naik and his monkey gang have ‘proved’ otherwise. Now I know that the western translations of the Vedas, on which these idiots rely on, are flawed. So don’t you think people with the actual knowledge of Vedas and Sanskrit should come forward and refute those claims? Sadly, it seems no one is interested! Here are a few examples. For more you can google ‘contradictions in Vedas’
    http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/hindu/TTF4DU99P2NODJOPF
    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=fz6KBkgEacAC&pg=PA522&lpg=PA522&dq=contradictions+in+vedas&source=bl&ots=o9tQBHeXib&sig=5rwibFHfr9kcclGZjLe30lKI3TY&hl=en&ei=w1FUSrjeNqjW6gO76-TLBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6
    http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090418185608AAowsd0
    In the second link, Mr.Deshpande claims that if there is any contradiction found, it is because of the limitations of the mind. Now sorry, but that is a lame excuse. Some Hindus also claim that the Bible and Quran also have contradictions. But that doesn’t make the Vedas perfect, does it? Moreover, that dumb Zakir Naik has somehow by virtue of his theatrics managed to convince some fools that the Quran is scientifically flawless. I personally call the Quran a fairy tale, albeit a pathetic and unethical one.
    I’d be grateful to you if you smash off all those so-called contradictions scientifically. Please create a new page for that.
    You mentioned that the God ‘s word cannot be tampered and so on. That is absolutely true. But then, some researches have also shown that the Vedas aren’t as original as they ought to be.
    Regards

    • 1. I never claimed that Geeta and Vedas have no contradictions. Geeta is a later dated text and derives essence from Vedas. Many portions of Geeta, the way they are commonly interpreted, do contradict Vedic concepts and are not pramaans. Many scholars try to interpret them in a different manner. Others consider them as later day interpolations. Whatever be the reality, a study of Ishopanishad, which is primarily 40th Chapter of Yajurved, contains the essence of Geeta.
      2. The so-called contradictions in Vedas are based upon the translations done by western scholars like Griffith etc. They are completely trash. Refer to translation of Vedas as provided by Dayanand Saraswati, and you will realise how foolish are these claims of contradictions. No one ever could show any contradiction based on any translation except those by Griffith et al. This is similar to one citing any mantra in front of those who do not know Sanskrit, and giving whatever interpretation they feel like giving – then claiming it to be full of mistakes!
      3. Zakir Naik has been challenged several times by our team. You can see some videos in youtube.com/truthwisdom2008 as well. But he is smart not to choose tougher opponents.
      4. The allegations on Vedas being not original are unfound. They simply claim that on basis of difference in language in different parts of Vedas. However, these have also been long refuted.
      5. I agree that this campaign for propagating right meaning of Vedas and dispelling doubts should happen more aggressively. The only limitation is lack of funds and resources for such activities. Our fellow beings do not see these things as important priority and all that happens in this aspect is largely through individual initiatives. Dr Naik has a multi-storeyed office in Mumbai with millions of dollars flowing for his activities.
      Nonetheless, the fight is on, and if efforts continue with best intentions, things would change for sure very soon, for better.
      Dhanyavad

    • Asalamoalaikum bro i read what u wrote abt dr zakir naik and quran. .wel bro first of al i wud lyk to asure you that whatever he speaks has clear refrences nd translation if yov have doubts u cn urself verify it reading it in vedas of any of the translation, ,i myself have vedas whci i got frm my teacher wen i was in dav public schol. .nd regarding quran i wud lyk to say that plz tel any 1 unscientefic or wrng statdment. .bro indeed i feel proud that hnduism has sme buk which tel that none is to be worship but 1 true god ishwar or allah. .

      • @Rashid
        Vedas do talk of worshipping one God only, but unlike Quran, it doesnt force one to believe in a chain of revelations and prophets, nor any sort of God agents.
        Zakir Naik, misinterprets the Vedic verses. His references may be right, but his explanations of Vedic verses are so childish, and hence wrong.

      • well brother alhumdullilah[praise to allah]
        i have no objection in agreeing that vedas too speak about only one god ,and i do agree that it does not foce any one to follow chains of revelation of prophets and message by god to the prophets…
        but you wud agree that vedas do speaks about rishis ,or teacher which is some what same as our beliefs of messenger or prophet ..
        according to quran every nation ,even every kaum or tribe when deviated from path was sent a messenger …and final messenger was sent to the land of arabs when they were in darkness of idol worship and cruel beliefs lyk killin og galzz,or being drunken..
        there fore vedas may be [coz its name is not mentioned in quran] i wud lyk to say that it was the revelation of almighty allah.,god,parmeshwar…..
        and it too speaks that a narashansa [praised worthy] will come ,the antim rishi to guide people to the truth…
        and narashansa clearly mathes to the meaning of prophet muhammaf that is praised worthy…
        also regarding why didnt god revealed the whole words at the begining it self i wud lyk to say that if he wud have been revealed the words at the tym of manu or adam in muslim beliefs he cud not have understood.. since the one who even didnt knew how to stitch clothes how cud he understan the concept of big bang,,thats y he revealed the words step by step //and finally he revealed the glorious quran confirming the truth about all previous revelation which came to diffrent parts of wold to different rishis or prophets even vedas if they r gods word……i cant not surely say coz the name vedas by name is not mentioned in quran..
        you can see chapter prophet verse 30 which describe big bang theory..
        even jesus [pbuh] said in gospel of john that “i have many things to tell you but u cant bear them now ,why not the spirit of truth , the comforter shall come so he guides you to all the truth”
        here jesus was mentioning about the final prophet .comfortor and the truth is the words of god,ishwar or allah…
        now you may ask that if god has revealed the words as per the situation and tme to tym..
        then it might be possible that he may reveal sme book in future…??
        well my answer is simple no..
        coz quran confirms it….
        and also quran has already confirmed all the truths in the form of verses which people may come to know in future ..
        infact in future god will not send any prophet or revelations but will show signs so people may come to know the truth..
        “Soon will We show them
        Our Signs in the (furthest)
        regions (of the earth), and
        in their own souls, until
        it becomes manifest to them
        that this is the Truth
        it is not enough that
        Thy Lord doth witness
        all things?”
        [Al-Qur’an 41:53
        so no need to worry humans shall come to know many things in future..
        also the reason for sending revelations is that by the passage of tym words of god weer changed ,lyk u can say interpolated..
        for eg bible or ingeel was fabricated by telling that jesus is allah or people of moses becoming hypocrytes even more which you too shall agree…
        even there r contradictions in veds and hindu scriptures [if you want i can quote] but you might be knowing..
        so people fabricated them so for confirming the truth about all revelations quran the final message was revealed..
        also it is a historical fact that quran has never been fabricated…
        also regarding dr naik translation about vedas and his explanation its always right..
        if he was wrong sri ravishankar wud have told it…
        and if you have sme other translation or explanation please tell me bro coz i too have gone thru the explanation by dr naik…and i didnt found any mistake..
        also islam is universal religion to be practised .it is not based on sme person or material entity lyk christianity[follower of christ], or budhism[ follower of budha] or judaism[rel of jews] or
        hinduism[people living near river indu]..our religion is not lyk muhamadism or muhamadanity
        but rather it implies peace and submission of the will to god..
        what can be the best religion of god rather being the religion of peace and submission…
        and the follower is muslim [one who has submitted the will to god,ishwar, allah]
        you may ques to me about the terrorist activities and muslims,osama.,mughal like babar.etc..
        i wud simply say every community have sme black sheeps…why r u lookin at few fools and neglecting all other good muslim…if u r good person u will never say that all muslims r bad and all hindus r nice coz u urself know that it is not lyk that…
        peace and submission the way to god and the best religion to which you will also agree..
        alhumdullillah..
        allah haviz bro ..take care..

      • @Rashid
        brother, may peace be with you as well.
        brother, all of Naik’s claims have been proven false on this site, please read all the articles relating to Zakir Naik. There is no mention of prophet Mohammad in Vedas, because Vedas never ever prophecize nor they tell history. Zakir Naik clearly twists verses and makes his own meanings up.

      • @Rashid masood
        Namaste brother,
        You would like to agree to 10 points given below, which will make sure that you are a human and are worth considering for intellectual debates and are not a terrorist like Babur, Aurangjeb, Zakir Naik, Osama, and Kasab.
        a. It is not necessary that all non-Muslims, regardless of their good deeds, will burn in Hell forever.
        b. It is not necessary that a criminal would go to Heaven simply because he surrenders to Quran and Islam and says a ‘sorry’!. So all those terrorists who kill, rape or loot in name of Islam would go to Hell and should be openly condemned by Muslims regardless of their religion. Allah will not forgive rapists, killlers, and looters at any cost.
        c. A woman is not bereft of intelligence or half-intelligent compared to men as claimed in several verses of Quran/ Hadiths. Allah allows women the same social, legal and political opportunities in life that He endows to men. (Refer entire series on Women in Islam )
        d. The concept of Jazia tax on non-Muslims is disgusting. Social, political and criminal regulations should be same for everyone regardless of religion.
        e. The English translations of Quran by likes of Yusuf Ali, Pickthall, Dawood; Tafseers of Sahih International, Jalalyn; Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim as published by Islamic publishers and websites suffer from discrepancies and DO NOT correctly represent Islam.
        Because these are the only translations which are used for questioning Islam. The Muslim debaters would refuse to admit that these translations are wrong (because Islam forbids them to condemn other Muslims) but yet try to allege that anti-Islamic material is used to demean Islam!
        The fact is that ONLY Islamic texts published by Islamic publishers is used to question Islam, be it by Agniveer or by Faith Freedom or by Islam Watch etc. So if there is anything objectionable in sources cited by those questioning Islam, the ‘experts’ should clearly state that they reject the authenticity of the sources even if it is an Islamic publication.
        f. The Sahih (True) Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) which talk of rape of war victims, or killing children and other disgusting things (refer Zakir Naik claims Islam – The ONLY Practical Religion of World! and Practical Islam – Science of Hygiene ) are wrong and NOT part of Islam.
        g. A Muslim who could not find Islam addressing his questions and converts to another religion does not require to be killed for apostasy as per Islamic laws, even if he propagates his new religion. Those who KILL apostates or justify their killing in Islamic state are greatest criminals. (Refer Zakir Naik – the mentor of terrorists)
        h. All those Muslim rulers like Babur who admit in their own biography of indulging into pedophilia, homosexuality, cutting thousands of head, narcotics and keeping harem of women are not actually Muslims but disgrace in name of Islam. (Refer Babri Masjid demolition – Symbol of Hindu-Muslim unity )
        i. All those clerics, organizations and countries that call for constant war against non-Muslims are against Islam and criminals. For example refer to following fatwa issued from Saudi Arabia:
        Fatwa_It is Obligatory for Non-Muslims to Accept ISLAM
        j. Non-Muslims should have the same rights to propagate their beliefs in Islamic countries, (so far the beliefs are not criminal, immoral and violent) as Muslims have the right to propagate Islam in non-Islamic countries. But if Muslims believe that it is against Islam to allow preaching of any other religion in Islamic countries, then they should also stop propagating Islam in other countries.
        For further reading, refer http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/#comment-8477
        I hope you agree to these points so that we can continue with the discussion.

      • asalamoalaikum bro..
        well bro while naming terrorist why u only mentioned the names of muslims..
        u forgot the name of famous hindu sadhvi pragya …
        and also raj thakre,baal thakre……and all the hindu supporters…
        and quote me ny one good reason y u wrote the name of dr zakir naik …

      • Namaste @rashid masood bro..
        Pragya thakur is an exception ..that too an exception who lost a colleague to Islamist terrorism.
        She is no doubt wrong in what she was trying to do ..but the core reason for her becoming what she became is again Islamic Violence.
        you want to call hindu supporters as terrorists ..isn;t that great ?
        by that logic ..anybody who says all muslims are terrorists must also be right ..right?

      • @rashid
        What pragya thakur has done is not Hindu terrorism, its just the revenge for the innocent people who are dying coz of islamic terrorism. You may say it Hindu Revolution. Ofcourse its totally wrong, but you can’t help it, victims of islamic terrorism are increasing day by day. If islamic terrorism is not stopped muslims can expect more number attacks like that. Its has nothing to do with hinduism. For more understanding watch movie “Wednesday” and read this article too http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/islamic-jihad-articles/hindu-terrorism-myth-or-reality/

      • An Addendum : Reality of Malegaon
        In Malegaon its only hindu Prostitutes that are safe as they have nothing to loose ! Such is the face of Islam there. Being a muslim majority place hindus are 2nd grade citizen there, forget about the dignity of hindu women !!
        Let the wise decide if it was terrorism or fight for self-respect ! But the impotent congressmen, for their vote-bank termed it as Hindu-Terrorism !

      • RASHID MASOOD everybody in MUMBAI knows that who controls the Mumbai Home Ministry it is Dawood otherwise Colonel Purohit who is a brilliant officer of Military Intelligence who trained ATS to catch terrorist, how will he do a silly mistake like using their own motorcycle for bomb blast, he must have clearly know the fact that even after big bomb blast bike’s Chasis number will be intact through it even a local constable can catch the suspect.
        Even a Muslim Journalist the author of BLACK FRIDAY have exposed Sharad Pawar’s NCP link with Dawood.

      • All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t. For all statements of agniveer, there is a rebuttal and extremely logical reply given by Truth of Hinduism.com. I recommend everyone out here to visit this site, study and analysis issues by your ownself to know who is speaking truth and who is lying. Regarding Jehad pls visit website: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/. These are the facts and figures found by non-muslims.

      • bro i too dont want to drag the names of hindus..i know that religion shud not be judged by the followers ..iknow thats y i dont relate it to any religion.but u forced me….y dont you people stick only to terrorism rather saying islamic terrorism….
        jihaad in quran only refers to jihaad al fisabillilah..
        and i m proud to be called a mujahid in that context..that is striving for rite cause in the way of lord….
        striving in the way of god for right cause…only right cause…
        and i tell u if any one kills or terrifies a masoom or innocent is never a muslim though he/she claims…
        and regarding pragya..i am with her if she fights against terrorism..but she is against whole islam… she tries only to resemble islam with terrorism..trying to degrade and rise false allegation against it…she can win over terrorism in the way dr zair naik is doing that is conducting peace conference…and not rising false accusation on ny religion….

      • Rashid Masood Brother why would anybody use his own motorbike for terrorist activities even suicide bombers do not use their own bikes. When ATS nabs some muslim terrorist then all human rights case are lodged against them or tell that accused are falsely implicated but when ATS catches a Hindu guy for political reasons then same Muslim leaders never tell these guy is falsely implicated or any lack of proof then ATS becomes hero.

      • Being first does not make it true, and being the end does not make it ture. Being born under your culture does not make it true. There are no such truths (single minded narrow truth) to any single culture and certainlly, your vedas are no different. Just because you are born into it, and you play with your own self (and the facade of objective reasoning) does not make truth in a universal way. Learn, grow, and develop but certainlly your vedas are as much sacred as different books are sacred for different people.

      • I hope you would post the same comment on other websites supporting different other religions and of course, your religion too.

      • Who has made earth for you like a bed (spread out); and has opened roads (ways and paths etc.) for you therein; and has sent down water (rain) from the sky. And We have brought forth with it various kinds of vegetation.Ayat(20:53)
        How can earth be a bed?(unless it is flat)
        It is He Who made the sun a shining thing and the moon as a light and measured out its (their) stages, that you might know the number of years and the reckoning. Allah did not create this but in truth. He explains the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for people who have knowledge.Ayat(10:5)
        So Moon was light? Light means the natural agent that stimulates sight and makes things visible.
        Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): “O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness.”Ayat(18:86)
        Can u please say me the final point on earth where sun is setting?
        This proves earth is flat a big science error 🙂
        Don’t think Quran to be perfect it has blunders in it…
        Vedas are the only books which has perfect science <3

  6. AgniVeer
    Thank you so much for your reply. I won’t hesitate to say that your answers have managed to convince me to quite an extent. Besides, I found a discussion where some of those alleged contradictions have been addressed and rebutted. Now although I ain’t sure if their answers are absolutely true, they make a lot of sense and they’re enough to prove the idiocy and treachery of Naik and his followers. [P.S. The forum also contains many abuses. Please ignore those.] Some contradictions have been handled by user ‘Ranul’ on pg.1 and more by user ‘A concerned Hindu’ on pg.3
    http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/hindu/TTF4DU99P2NODJOPF
    So it does appear that the contradictions are actually parts of a conspiracy. I’m glad I didn’t fall into the trap!
    Can you answer this basic question please? I looked for the answer all over the net but I couldn’t find satisfactory answers. Many confusions:
    Is Sanatan Dharma polytheistic, monotheistic, monist, atheistic, agnostic or pantheistic?
    My little reading till now tells me that this grand religion is a combination of all these forms. I’ll elaborate. Please comment or correct me if required:
    The basic premise is that Sanatan Dharma(SD) is not averse to any form of worship as a beginning. One can be mono or poly as desired; even atheistic(like Jains) or agnostic(Buddhists)
    However, future enhancements ultimately take you to the absolute consciousness or Brahman or Godhead. It generally goes like: poly/atheistic/agnostic–>mono–>monist. Monism also correctly explains the creation of the universe, and not as something created out of nothing by the Abrahamic religions.
    Further, monism proves that the ‘Gods’ like Rama, Krishna, Ganesha and even Allah and Jesus for that matter are graded manifestations of this Brahman. But the most important point is that these people were actually humans in the beginning and became elevated souls to acquire supernatural or rather mystical powers by meditation. So it is safe to say that these Gods can err, lie and most importantly they have limited powers.
    So it is not wrong to say that SD ultimately is monist.
    If one goes by this assumption, most of the queries, especially those of atheists can be solved. The only pre-requirement would be a proof that indeed the Vedas, especially the Rig Veda are absolutely the way they were in say, 0 AD. But then:
    http://hinduism.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_atharva_veda
    This site says the Atharva Veda isn’t much reliable. But the best part is that I didn’t find any information that the Rig Veda is tampered. Great!
    I’m sorry if I’ve hurt you in my previous message but trust me I’m a sincere seeker of truth and I suppose constructive criticism and questioning is allowed in the Vedic religion, unlike the organized ones, the Abrahamic religions.
    Namaste and greetings
    Kedar

    • Let me clear and upfront on this. All Vedas unequivocally consider Ishwar to be one and one alone. No mantra is Vedas can be considered as even silent approval of polytheism. Further Vedas consider soul to be different from ishwar. Vedas consider three eternal entities – Ishwar, soul and nature (mass-energy duo). There is no fourth entity and all souls are equal in all aspects. There are no super souls and normal souls. Its only the efforts put by soul which bring him close to Ishwar. Thus souls vary only in this aspect. Further Vedas also claim that unless you believe something to be the way it is, you are bound to face troubles. Thus worship of Ishwar only in the manner He is – One, Omnipresent, Omniscient, All Powerful, Unborn, Undying, Just, Merciful, Blissful, Pure, Eternal etc etc. Worship of Ishwar in only this form can bear any benefits.
      The rest of the cults – Hinduism (Hindu is a later dated word), Buddhism, Jainism etc came much later after the Vedic Dharma got much degraded. They all focussed on certain aspects of Vedic Dharma but ignored other. Thus they could not present a complete picture and had inherent defects and contradictions. Many of their practices were against Vedas/ actual truth. And hence following these led us to several problems. For example, Hinduism became polytheist and indulged in idol-worship. Now Vedas clearly say that He does not have an Idol. Ram/Krishna/ Shankara etc were legendary role models who reached greatest heights of perfection. When they died, stories were created to make them actual Ishwars. If you read these stories, as in Purans, your head would hang in shame. These stories continued to be added till late 19th Century. Thus we even have story of Queen Victoria and Prophet in Bhavishya Puran. However many of the propagators of Dharma over various periods of time were smart enough to ensure that one clause was inserted in all Dharmic texts of Hindus – that Vedas are ultimate truth. Any thing in contradiction to Vedas is worth rejection. Since Vedas themselves were ignored, the question of rejection did not come. In fact malpractices began in name of Vedas. In opposition, cults like Jainsim and Buddhism started. They denied authority of Vedas without actually reading them. However, the basic essence of Vedas, which was part of culture here, was always imbibed in our social norms, habits and behaviors. Similar is case with Islam and Christianity. They all emerged due to combination of problems in contemporary society, opportunism and ignorance of Vedas.
      This can become a very long discussion. But have just given a summary. If you are keen to know more details, I can give you references. On matter of Vedas, there is absolutely no confusion with regards to Athavaveda, Yajurveda and Samaveda at all. Not even of a syllable. For Atharvaveda, some claims do come of it not being authentic. But even that is unfound and primarily due to confusion with regards to interpretation of Vedic words. Maybe I should prepare one article on this subject itself. You can refer to http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read/unchangeable-vedas for a good article on this. http://www.satyavidya.org may be a good site to answer many more queries. Especially http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read
      I am happy that you have a questioning attitude and would like it to come out even more emphatically, so far it is for genuine quest for truth. Religions claim that spiritualism begins where logic ends. Vedas say that one cannot even think of reaching God without logic. The triumvirate of Knowedge, Actions and Devotion is necessary to reach Truth.

  7. It’s nice to hear that the Vedas are intact even today.
    One last question:
    Is there any concept of hell and heaven in any of the Vedas, or it’s just a figment of imagination from the Puranas? There have been claims that the Atharva Veda does mention hell. Or I guess there might be a wrong translation of something probably close to the word ‘Naraka’. May be that particular word in Atharva Veda in Sanskrit means something else. Please clarify if possible.
    If you insist that the Vedas contain the mention of hell, then it would be a contradiction to the concept of re-incarnation, which I know is the heart of the eastern religions.
    And please also recommend to me who’s concepts of Vedas should I refer to, unless I probably learn Sanskrit myself. Maharishi Aurobindo, Swami Vivekananda, Dayananda Saraswati, Sayana, Shankaracharya or someone else? I’m told that some of their interpretations were different from one another.

  8. Very Nice piece of writing on clearing the misconception on Vedas.
    your quote
    ///The suktas on which a particular Rishi meditated is referred with that Rishi’s name. So Rishi are Mantra-Drashta and not Mantra-Rachayita (They are seers and not creators of Mantras)///
    This is perfect, i am saying this again and again to many that Suktas are cosmic vibration , the ultimate truth which are continuously flowing in the universe and Rishi discovered them and wrote them for the common man. These sutra can again be realised if anyone is qualified for it or reaches its qualification through practice.
    for eg Gravity is present before Newton but he coined it.
    Keep it up!
    Thankyou,
    Best Wishes,
    Vijay Goel
    astrologer
    Jaipur.

    • You are very right. Also unless one becomes such an enlightened Yogi through practice, one cannot understand the complete essence of mantras. Hence, the first percondition to judge if someone can be good authority on Vedas is to assess how much Yogic is his life. I am referring to Yoga of Patanjali and not hatha yoga here!

  10. All ancient aarsh texts and even new Purans consider Vedas as revealed knowledge. Even Vedas claim so.
    Can you please provide the reference of the Veda mantra which claims this?

  11. Hi Agniveer,
    I love reading your posts..
    All are superb and tries to clear the misconceptions about Vedas.
    I have one doubt..
    As per Ambedkar's "Riddles in Vedas" , :-
    Vedas(Rig, Atharvana..) says that Vedas were created by Indra, Sometimes another Veda says that it was by Time…etc and so on.
    The link for The Ambedkar's Riddles is:
    http://www.ambedkar.org/riddleinhinduism/21A2.Rid…
    Now a days many Islam/Dalit/Christian websites are using it to prove that whole Vedas(inturn Hinduism) is full of contradictions and are false..
    Can you please provide answers for Ambedkar's Riddles?
    Or is Ambedkar's Riddles unanswerable??
    I'm sorry if my following question hurts you!!!
    But I need answers for Ambedkar's Riddles as many of the Islamic websites uses it to prove Vedas wrong!!

      • @Phiroj
        1)Kuran is full of contradictions. Kuran says Allah is omnipresent but Again says Allah sits on 7th sky and Mohamad was going to 7th sky in search of Allah.
        2) Kuran says Allah is absoluter but which Allah is absoluter, the Allah who was idly sitting alone till the billion of years before universe inception & was suffering from loneliness or the second Allah who suddenly got the idea of creation of universe. Who is perfect, choose one.

      • simple, there is not a single contradiction in qur’an, Allah is one who is forever and muhammad(pbuh) will sit on highest heaven which is made by Allah(swt). where is contradiction ?

    • In the" Riddles of Hinduism" book, the critics have missed these comments of Dr.Ambedkar:
      http://www.ambedkar.org/riddleinhinduism/21C.Ridd…
      "The Hindu social system is undemocratic not by accident. It is designed to be undemocratic. Its division of society into varnas and castes, and of castes and outcastes are not theories but are decrees. They are all barricades raised against democracy.
      From this it would appear that the doctrine of fraternity was unknown to the Hindu Religious and Philosophic thought. But such a conclusion would not be warranted by the facts of history. The Hindu Religious and Philosophic thought gave rise to an idea which had greater potentialities for producing social democracy than the idea of fraternity. It is the doctrine of Brahmaism*. ….The essence of Brahmaism is summed up in a dogma which is stated in three different forms. They are (i) Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma— All this is Brahma. (ii) Aham Brahmasmi— Atmana (Self) is the same as Brahma.
      Therefore I am Brahma. (iii) Tattvamasi— Atmana (Self) is the same as Brahma.
      Therefore thou art also Brahma. ……..It may well be that Brahma is unknowable. But all the same this theory of Brahma has certain social implications which have a tremendous value as a foundation for Democracy. If all persons are parts of Brahma then all are equal and all must enjoy the same liberty which is what Democracy means. Looked at from this point of view Brahma may be unknowable. But there cannot be slightest doubt that no doctrine could furnish a stronger foundation for Democracy than the doctrine of Brahma.
      To support Democracy because we are all children of God is a very weak foundation for Democracy to rest on. That is why Democracy is so shaky wherever it made to rest on such a foundation. But to recognize and realize that you and I are parts of the same cosmic principle leaves room for no other theory of associated life except democracy. It does not merely preach Democracy. It makes democracy an obligation of one and all.
      Western students of Democracy have spread the belief that Democracy has stemmed either from Christianity or from Plato and that there is no other source of inspiration for democracy. If they had known that India too had developed the doctrine of Brahmaism which furnishes a better foundation for Democracy they would not have been so dogmatic. India too must be admitted to have a contribution towards a theoretical fouodation for Democracy."

  13. @anand
    bro..
    You said "The criticism is of "Hindu social system" and not Vedas/Hinduism per se. "
    But he has written Riddles in Hinduism in which he has wriiten riddles on Vedas…
    I have no idea on Vedas.. But for his Riddles of Rama & Krishna… I am preparing answers and I will answer it soon..
    Only for his riddles on Vedas I am not able to answer since I am new to Vedas..
    So I request anyone from Arya Samaj to answer that ,since arya samaj is the only authentic source for Vedas!
    I'm worried because many islamic websites are using his riddles to defame hinduism..
    By looking at his riddles of Rama & Krishna I was able to understand that he has just relied on unauthentic source and western Indologists books.. So I am preparing Answers for his riddles of Rama & Krishna.. but for Riddles in Vedas I hv no idea!!
    Its time we must unite and provide rebuttals to all defaming articles wriiten against Hinduism(which is written mostly by considering Western Indologists books)..

  14. A great article this is for all ignorant people(Im talking about hindus too), I regret studying vedas (I seriously feel this is the impact of our Parents and Grandparents(who believed more in the western preachings), Its time for us to fix this I appreciate ur work ..Keep writing

    • vedas are very difficult to understand, and any person can misunderstand it….it can only be understood by a pure devotee of lord Krishna and can be explained by him only….read A.C. bhaktivedanta swami prabhupada ji's Bhagavad gita as it is…..on prabhupadabooks.com and visit Krishna.org…..
      Main Purpose of Vedas was to elevate human society from animal consciousness to God consciousness
      and ultimate aim or purpose of a Living being is to attain causeless trancedental service and love of Lord Krishna, that's it!! read all the books translated by AC bhaktivedanta swami prabhupadaji online….i hope it helps:)

      • @Tushar
        Brother, how were Vedas being understood when there was no lord krishna and thus no devotee of him? Shri Krishna himself was devotee of Parameshvar and used to worship a formless God mentioned in Vedas. You can find his true character in Mahabharat.

  15. Hi Agniveer ji….
    Recently I came across a Islamic Website. There they are propagating false about Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati.
    Please go through this link :
    http://aaiil.org/text/books/others/durrani/swamid…
    I think that this author (KHAN DURRANI) needs to be answered..
    Everywhere muslims are circulating this one.
    Please give rebuttals to this stupid KHAN DURRANI…..

  17. VEDAS IS THE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY SCRIPTURE WHICH WORSHIP THE TRUE SUPREME GOD.
    The Abrahamic Religions like Jews, Christians , Muslims are only worshiping PLANETARY GODS AND BABYLON/EGYPTIAN GODS using exotic names. Only Planetary gods have Sabbath like SUN-DAY, SATURDAY, AND FRIDAY.

  19. ………..mr agniveer states that………The difference in Quran and Vedas are manifold:
    a. Quran was revealed few hundred years ago. Even foreign so-called scholars believe Vedas to be first texts of mankind. A revealed text must be revealed at beginning of creation and not in between.
    my reply:
    well mr agniveer forgot to notice that vedas r so old ,hence more chance of fabrication..it was never being recorded that vedas were learnt by heart ,i dont know even a single man on this earth who is by heart wid vedas..not a single.. ..so it is highly possible that it is fabricated or changed …on the other hand quran from the begining was learnt by the people of arabs by heart hence no chance of fabrication…unlike brahman who only use to read and practise vedas…. quran was read and practised by all muslims in their daily life and hence no chance of fabrication….by raising the point that vedas r first words or revelation of god u can gain nothing but proof of adulteration or fabrication in vedas…
    b. Quran is written in Arabic, a language specfic to a geography. Vedas are in vedic Sanskrit which is mother of all languages of world today
    my ans:
    well i dont know by raising this point wat does agniveer want to quote..wat he means that god can only send his message in mother of all toungues but not in other foriegn langauge..
    c. Quran contains location specfic descriptions and customs. Vedas contain no geography or history
    my ans:
    this indeed can be called as a drawback of vedas not containing knowledge about place and how does god sent his message to different parts of world..it doesnot quote ny thing..
    while quran tell that every tribe when deviated was sent a messenger and a book containing laws..
    d. Quran beleives itself to be final edition of God’s message. Now first, God’s message, by definition, has to be flawless and not subject to modifications. And if indeed modifications are necessary in God’s message, then there can be no FINAL edition. The process should then continue.
    Vedas on other hand are one and same – they cannot be altered, contain fundamental truths. Their applicability may change depending in times. But the core rules are always applicable.
    my ans:
    well mr agniveer if you wanted to become an eng y u studied class 1,2,3 then cleared graduation..why didnt u went directly for graduation..
    if god wud have revealed quran at the time of adam[pnuh] or manu in ur religion he wud have not understood coz the man who even didnt knew how to stitch clothes how can he understand the concept of creation of world lyk big bang theory…..so god revealed only the things which he cud bear and finally confirming all truth..i repeat only truth… thru muhammad[pbuh] in quran..u can refer surah 22 :30 for big bang theory..the basic laws of living and morality always remained same..
    none of revelation god allah abrogate[change or cancel ] but he substitute something better or similar.” alquran 2.106.
    .now regarding if god shall reveal some other book, let me tell u bro quran testifies every truth and there will not come any prophet or messenger to testify the quran or to confirm quran but indeed allah swt will show us signs so that we may believe that this book is the truth and from almity ishwar,parmatma or allah… “Soon will We show them
    Our Signs in the (furthest)
    regions of universe and earth, and
    in their own souls, until
    it becomes manifest to them
    that this is the Truth.
    it is not enough that
    Thy Lord doth witness
    all things?”
    [Al-Qur’an 41:53
    so no need to worry ,,humans shall come to know many things in future..
    and after seeing the signs people will glorify that yes this quran is realy a divine book from god ..lyk prof keeth moore and other scientist glorify islam ,muhammad [pbuh] and quran after knowing about the scientefic aspects of quran..
    also the reason for sending revelations is that by the passage of tym words of books were changed ,lyk u can say interpolated or fabricated..
    for eg bible or ingeel was fabricated by telling that jesus is allah or people of moses becoming hypocrytes even more which you too shall agree…
    even there r contradictions in vedAs and hindu scriptures [if you want i can quote] but you might be knowing..
    so people fabricated them so for confirming the truth about all revelations quran the final message was revealed..even vedas if they r gods word ,, i m saying if the were since vedas by name is no where mentioned in quran..so might be a revelation..and whether it be ..but now quran has to be followed…
    e. A revealed text should contain source of all possible knowledge. Only Vedas pass this litmus test.
    my ans :
    sry i already quoted that vedas does not give all answer..now tell where does vedas speak about creation of heavens and the earth[universe] in such a manner lyk quran….or where does vedas speak about embroylogy and sex determination lyk quran.. or where does vedas say that this universe is expanding lyk quran speaks..where does vedas speak that what happened to the people of other parts of world ,,how god sent his message to the people of other lands….quran tells all these things..
    f. Vedas can not be altered at all. Many editions of Quran exist
    my answer:
    well here mr agniveer i want to say that quran is in foriegn language..and many arabic words r ambiguous and depends how one use..for eg deen in surah fateha means judgement but in later part of quran it means religion ..even the word dahaha can be considered..
    and we muslim have no objection in considering these ambiguous statements and verses..even quran testifies this in surah alimraan chap3:7 that for there r two sets of passages in quran one clear and others ambiguous[having more than one meaning] and the one wid little faith wud use that meaning for creating fasaad..u mr agniveer is indeed a fasadi trying to fool people by twisting the verses of quran and placing them out of context…though you know that how true the book itself is….
    so translation of quran r not wrong but you can say that allah means more than what we have translated..and arabic version is all same…
    and the reason for using ambigous statement i feel is that the verses of quran can be applicable at all ages..
    consider the word dahaha for earth ..it may means as wide expanse or as an egg shaped..
    when man at mid age saw earth he thought it to be as an expanse[faila hua] but now we know it is egg shaped , geospherical and hence find no objection in considering second meaning of dahaha also.even the meaning expanse is right since earth look like expanse…eg expanded ball….
    g. Quran was started by Prophet Muhammad – his personal life exemplifies his character!
    my ans:
    quran is truly gods word ,,prophet [pbuh] was an illiterate ..the scientefic facts itself testifies it.. how can an illiterate cud speak so pure and fine arabic litterature and how can he tell so big scietefic facts..nay ,never he can..but indeed this is not prophet muhammad[pbuh] who tells but allah ,the almity god ,the parmatma….
    allah haviz..

      • i will insha allah….
        but you too have to agree the refutations by me..from these points none of u can run..
        i will insha allah discuss all the 10 points which mr agniveer has raised….
        wait for sme days till i get internet connection at my home….
        allah haviz..

    • Well! dear friend
      You have already said that and almost prove that islamic texts are not fabricated till now yes indeed it is true
      You give answer to the question that Sanskrit is mother of all Language but there is no difference
      in god’s view of language.
      But then will you let me know why muslim scholars say that arabic is the base to get allah
      and kuran is full of decet and violence
      Why Mohammed was not a prophet:
      One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He raped kid and slave.He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. The prophet Muhammad sanctioned a temporary marriage—sigheh in Iran and muta’a in Iraq— which can provide a legitimizing cover
      He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.
      #
      Why Quran is not from God:
      Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty.
      The prophet Muhammad is known for his hatred towards Christians and Jews. He called them apes and pigs and ordered their slaughter and in one case he commaded his Mujahideen fighters to burn them with fire.
      While Osama bin Zayd, preparing his troops to invade the Christian lands, the prophet Muhammad commanded him saying, “attack them in the darkness of the dawn and fall on them killing and burn them with fire and invade them and return with the booty.” Those words of the prophet Muhammad could be found in the most authentic Islamic books which are known as the Mothers of the Islamic Books and approved by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif University. Just to mention few of them (Ibn Habib in al-Mahabir p 117, Ibn Kathir in al-Bedaiah wa al-Nihaiah p 139, 143, Ibn Said al-Nas in ‘Auion al-Atharig p 145, al-Suhili in Rawd Alanif p 24, Ibn Hisham p 245, and al-Tabari in Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Milook p 156).
      Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.”
      Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
      Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jiziyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low” [Another translation says] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
      Bukhari: V5 hadith no. 727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘that is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
      The Slaughter of the Jewish tribe of Bani Qurizah,
      Muhammad: Oh brothers of monkeys and pigs
      The trembling Jews replied: Oh Abu al-Qasim, you have not been a bad man!! (Ibid; 392, quoting from Ibn Kathir, al-Bedayia p. 120).
      The prophet called out to them: Oh brothers of monkeys. Does Allah disappointed you and send on you his curse?
      The Qurizah understood the message and replied in fear: Oh Abi al-Qasim, you have not been an ignorant man (Ibid, quoting from al-Bihaqi, al-Tarikh p. 582).
      The Jews of Qurizah continued to plead with Muhammad `and beg him to send to them one of their allies, a man by the name of Abi Libabah bin Abd al-Nuziar al-Awasi.
      When Abi Libabah entered their garrison, the men rose, the women wept, and the children cried to him. When he saw them he had pity on them.
      They said to him: oh Abi Libabah, do you think we should go out for the judgment of Muhammad?
      He said, yes, and then he passed his finger across his neck, which means, the slaughter.
      Then their leader, Ka’ab bin Asaad said to his people: Let us follow Muhammad and believe in him.
      They replied: We will not leave the judgment of the Torah forever.
      He said to them: Then let us kill our children and women and go out to Muhammad.
      They said: Shall we kill these harmless children and women? What is the good of life after them? (Al-Qimni 2004: 393-394, quoting from al-Tabari p. 583).
      Finally the men of Bani Qurizah decided to go out and meet Muhammad hoping that the other Medinian tribes would intercede with the Prophet and request him to send them with their women and children out of Yathrib as he did before with the other two Jewish tribes. As soon as the Jewish men emerged out of their garrison, the prophet ordered his men to bind them with ropes and march them in a long queue (Ibid: 394, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 583). Then the prophet asked his men to dig many ditches inside the city (Ibid). After so many pleadings from the leaders of the Medinian tribes of al-Khaziriq and al-Awas, Muhammad agreed that Sa’ad bin Mu’aaz should decide the fate of the Jews (Ibid, quoting from al-Tabari p. 586).
      Al-Tabari narrated that Sa’ad bin Mu’aaz was dying. During the siege of the city, an arrow hit his hand and caused a cut on one of his nerves. The prophet tried to heal him by heating a nail and burning the nerve. In doing that Muhammad thought the bleeding would stop. However, the burning nail worsened the cut and caused the nerve to swell. When the Prophet repeated the same treatment the nerve exploded (Ibid: 395). In his dying state Sa’ad was carried to the Prophet. When Muhammad saw him he ordered the Jews to stand to their Master. “When Sa’ad was put down by his carriers the prophet asked him to judge on them. He said, I judge on them that the men should be put to death, their wealth divided, and their women distributed as jawari among the Muslims. The prophet said to him, you have judged on them with the judgment of Allah that has been given to you from seven heavens” (Ibid: 395, quoting al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 586).
      The horrifying slaughter was described by al-Tabari as follows:
      They brought first the enemy of Allah, Huaya bin Akhatab, while his hands were bound to his neck by a rope. (Huaya was the father of Safiya bint Huaya whom the Prophet killed her husband and brother and took her as his wife). When Huaya saw the Messenger of Allah, he said to him, I swear by God, I have never blamed myself for your enmity. Then, Huaya turned to the people and said, oh people there is no fear from the judgment and the Book of God, it is an honor written by God to the children of Israel to die as martyrs. Then, he sat down and his neck was beheaded… Ali bin Talib and al-Zibiar continued to strike their necks… It is assumed that their blood reached the oilstones that are at the market (Ibid: 396, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh pp. 588-589).
      The narrators of the sira differed in the number of the Jewish men who were killed on that fateful day. Some said six hundred, some seven hundred, some eight hundred, and some nine hundred (Ibid: 396). Al-Qimni states, “And we learn from our heritage a new thing happened in that slaughter. The slaughter was not restricted to men only, but included little boys too” (Ibid: 398 referring to al-Tabari p. 591). Then the victims were buried in those big holes or ditches that the Muslims dug.
      According to tradition, Muhammad would take a rota with his wives, sleeping with each in their turn. One night, during Hafsa’s turn, she asked to visit her father, and Muhammad granted her request. While she was gone, Muhammad took Mary the Coptic slave-girl and slept with her in Hafsa’s bed ( east, Hafsa is not there, someone else must satisfy him in Hafsa’s bed). Hafsa returned, was enraged, and confronted Muhammad. He promised (on oath) not to touch Mary again if she would keep this a secret, and then promised that her father Umar would be his successor after Abu Bakr (according to al-Sira al- Halabiyya, vol.2).
      Hafsah, however, told Aisha of the incident, and for a full month Muhammad had no dealings with any of his wives, living with Mary alone. Aisha berated Muhammad for his deceit, whereupon Muhammad was finally given the vision recorded in Sura 66:1:
      “O prophet, why forbiddest thou what God has made lawful to thee, seeking the good pleasure of thy wives…?”
      Based on this aya it seems that Allah is in the business of not only getting Muhammad out of his sexual chaos, but that Allah justifies unfaithfulness and deceit as well.
      We clearly see that Allah was always very quick to defend Muhammad’s desires and this is exactly what Aisha said:
      I used to backbite those (females) who offered themselves for the Messenger of Allah. So I asked: Does a woman offer herself? Then the Almighty Allah revealed: you (Muhammad) may put off whom you please of them, you may take to you whom you wish, and if you desire any whom you have separated, no blame attaches to you . It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.”
      In other words, Allah is threatening these women that if they don’t submit to Muhammad’s desires, he will simply divorce them and get better ones. So Hafsa must not be angry that Muhammad slept with a slave girl, on her own bed , and on her turn day so Muhammad asks her to keep it secret and promises her father future postition and when she told Aisha Allah decided to threaten them.
      One-day Muhammad goes to his wife’s house Hafsa the daughter of Omar and finds her maid Mariyah attractive. He sends Hafsa to Omar’s house, telling her that he wanted to see her. When Hafsa leaves, Muhammad takes Mariyah to bed and has intercourse with her. Meanwhile Hafsa, who finds out that her father was not expecting her, returns home much sooner than expected, and to her chagrin finds her illustrious husband in bed with her maid. She becomes hysteric and forgetting the station of the prophet she shouts and causes a scandal. The prophet pleads with her to calm down and promises not to sleep with Mariah anymore and begs her also not to divulge this secret to anyone else.
      However, Hafsa would not control herself and relays everything to Ayisha who also turns against the prophet and jointly with his other wives cause him much anguish. So the prophet decides to punish all of them and not sleep with any one of his wives for one month. Depriving one’s wives sexually is the second grade of punishment recommended in the Quran. The first level is admonishing, the second level is depriving them of sex and the third level of punishment is beating them. Q. 4: 34.
      Of course when a man decides to punish a wife with sexual deprivation he can satisfy himself with his other wives. But Muhammad’s anger had made him make the oath not to sleep with any of them for one month. That of course would have been too much of hardship for the beloved messenger of God, therefore God in his mercy came to the aid of his prophet and revealed the Surah Tahrim (Banning). In this Surah Allah rebukes Muhammad for being hard on himself and for depriving himself from what he really likes and has been made lawful for him, in order to please his wives
      Now will you please give your fantasy about this

      • you are silly person for u r having low minded
        there are many scientific fact and no contradiction and challenging word. so who could have mentioned in quran?

      • Come for open argument, If I can so you a single scientific error, will you leave islam ?? Whether you will accept Vedas or not, its a separate matter… But leave Islam first.

      • There is no single contradiction in Qur’an. Qur’an also says in surah Nisha Ch. 4. v. 82 that :- Do they not consider Qur’an with care, Had it been from anyone beside allah there would have been many contradiction. So, there is not a single contradiction but some contradistinction. I don’t think that, your contradiction is real contradiction. some contradiction can be create because of having of low memory power or lacking of High knowledge. If i say to some scientific errors in your Veda, will you leave Hinduism, Which has Science proved false?

      • who are you to ask us to leave ISLAM madam, will you leave vedic relegion or ur Arya samaj, if i give errors in it 😉

      • @akhila
        who are you to ask us to leave ISLAM madam, will you leave vedic relegion or ur Arya samaj, if i give errors in it 😉

      • @samantha-
        First place I am not a female. So say sir, not madam. If want to know more about me, visit http://www.akhilapadhi.weebly.com
        Second thing I am not an arya samaji nor a hindu. I am a reverted christian.
        Third thing is, I said to leave islam because it is against human rights. Then comment the vedas.
        I support vedas because I find vedic philosophy is followed around the world.
        To see how, visit my religious veiw blog of the above said web adress.

    • Your first point that “i dont know even a single man on this earth who is by heart wid vedas..not a single” is worthless since you don’t know every single person on earth. The priests of Hinduism where entrusted with knowing the Vedas by heart. Anyone with a basic knowledge of Hinduism knows that Brahmins know the Vedas by heart and that no matter be they from the North or South or East or West of India they all memorized the same Vedas without any difference.
      The Vast majority of Arabs were illiterate and vast majority through out history do not know the Koran by heart nor could read it. Even today in the UN development report the Arab speaking Middle East is known for its low literacy and development. If anything some Muslim clerics can read the Koran, and have trained a few to likewise memorize the latest version of the Koran.
      As for the science in Koran well it has already been rebutted http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/

      • There were many techniques Brahmins used to memorize the Vedas and other ancient texts “…Either way, because the Veda was so holy, it was imperative that it be preserved exactly as it was first given out by the original sages. Therefore, to this day brahmin priests memorize the Veda backward and forward, then backward and forward again but this time skipping every other word, and then backward and forward in various other combinations.
        They also used other memorization techniques, such as chanting the Veda to particular rhythms and moving their hands according to prescribed rules as the rhythm changed. Brahmins from different Villages would meet regularly to check each others’ mastery of the text. These methods helped to ensure that when we hear the verses being chanted today, they are almost certainly still being pronounced exactly like they were thousands of years ago, with not one word or even one syllable lost due to passage of time.” http://theworldofhindus.blogspot.com/2012/07/veda-hindu-bible.html

  21. Hi ,
    Can i know is there any mention in the vedas of vedic astrology , it pains me at times when i see people investing their time and money in such foolish pursuits .. most of the so called highly educated donkeys use the names of many rishi’s .
    Can you explain to me something about this field as i want to clear the confusion among the people around me ….
    i feel everyon e should be empowered to lead his or her own life with dignity n passion and not depend on such misleading stuff

  22. Agniveerji,
    Namaste.
    I have read your most of the articles, they are logical and convenicing. I do read comments by different communities, those are disturbing. Teaching in Vedas are soothing, you are providing great services to society by preeching the knowledge. We are followers so whatever you write we understand. If your thinking could penetrate a nonfollower and bring respect for Vedas, then you are achiever through these messages. In my opinion, the more dignified way will be to just confined with Vedas, let others make comparision.

  23. Mr.Phiroj: When can you guys smell the truth? No contradictions in Quran? Please enlighten us as to how many days it took Allah to annihilate the people of Aad?
    You know what ZN is good at? Repeat an argument over and over again despite the existence of proof contrary to that. And you guys gulp everything that ZN pukes.

  24. 1. So which religion were people following before Vedas? Eg: Religion of Agniveer please shed some light.
    2 .What @ animals & birds? what is their role on this earth?
    3. If Vedas are so powerful then why God did not stop false religion?
    4. If God is omnipresent then which direction should I pray?

    • 1. Vedas are eternal. There was no human before vedas. So this question is baseless.
      2. Read the theory of karma and rebirth. If still you have doubt open a thread in discussion forrum.
      3. God has made laws and the laws are perfect and unchangeable. Every one will get a destiny according to karma. So its our knowledge and activities that can destroy the falsehood.
      4. God is omnipresent means there is no space that is without god’s presence. So u dnt need any direction to pray him. Infact you dont need to pray him. Do noble deeds, he will award you whether you pray him or not. If you are not doing good, you will not be rewarded even if you pray him 100 times a day.

    • @hello
      1. The natural path which people followed is called vedic religion or dharmic relgion, the concept of religion and dividing people based on beliefs started later.
      2. Their role is same as our role , i.e to enjoy this world without causing unnecessary suffering to other life forms.
      3. All religions lead to the same god, hinduism never claims exclusive rights,
      All religions goal is to reach god/nirvana and in that aspect no religion is false.
      4. What do you mean by pray? Is bowing down and repeating unknown verses called praying? Praying means thinking of god with love and does it require a specific direction?

      • @adolf
        1. you didnt my qns. which religion people folowe b4 Vedas?
        2. Well I am not buying that it is proven fact to gain something you got to lose something.
        like you said”i.e to enjoy this world without causing unnecessary suffering to other life forms.”
        please give am example on this..
        3. if no religion is false then why Agniveer is starting debate and convincing people to come to Vedas by maligning other religion,
        4. Well anyone can sit down corner & pray with love. There must be some system on how to pray, what is the purpose of praying without giving proper respect to God. and just pray which ever way you like it. Bowing down to God will always make you feel you are not superior, simple. Actions speaks louder than word.

      • @hello Namaste Brother
        There are not many religion, religion only one based on Veda. Characteristic of religion – Non-violence, Truth, Non-Stealing, Brahmacharya (Self-control and NON-obscenity), Non-Hoarding, Patience, Forgiving
        Purity, Contentment, Putting strong efforts, Self-study or self-evaluation, Dedication to All Supreme not agent.

      • @Hello (False religion)
        _______if no religion is false then why Agniveer is starting debate and convincing people to come to Vedas by maligning other religion,______
        No you are wrong any religion which approve keeping sex slaves, miracles, rituals & superstitions like kissing black stone, marriage between 50 years old and 6 years old child, wife beating, changing in God attitude, cruelty against animals, God cruel enough to send his children in eternal hell. Whichever religion support these immoral act is a false religion or man made religion.

      • @ hello
        >>you didnt my qns. which religion people folowe b4 Vedas
        A) Vedic religion is the natural religion and it is followed from start.
        Your question is like asking when did humans started eating food. Humans are eating food from their starting, it is only after a specific time the digestion process is documented.
        >> it is proven fact to gain something you got to lose something
        A) you didnt notice my word unnecessary, eating fruits or plants which are annual does not cause a loss at all. Drinking milk of cows and buffaloes which produce more milk than required to its calf does not cause loss. There are innumerable things which can be gained without causing any suffering.
        >> if no religion is false then why Agniveer is starting debate and convincing people to come to Vedas by maligning other religion
        A) Agniveers debate is for violent muslims and proselytizers of their version of religion. Also you didnt see my words ” and in that aspect no religion is false”. What agniveer is fighting for is caste system, suppression of womens rights, dividing humans as believers and non believers, rituals like stoning of satan, bowing to a stone while labeling others as idolators, mocking people who out of their love treats god as their father…..
        >>There must be some system on how to pray, what is the purpose of praying without giving proper respect to God. and just pray which ever way you like it.
        A) Why are you making a policeman out of god. If bowing is proper respect then is lying flat on ground as hindus do more respect than bowing? Bowing or any other form which shows respect varies with culture and no protocol is necessary to show respect.
        >> Bowing down to God will always make you feel you are not superior, simple. Actions speaks louder than word.
        The idea of praying to god itself shows that we are inferior. Do you pray to inferior things like mosquitoes and…

    • @hinduagnostic : Download and read the “SatyarthPrakash” by Swami dayanad Saraswati and you will get your answers in the first chapter itself.

      • okay thanks where can i get the vedas english translation by arya samaj or sanskrit scholor?

      • @hinduagnostic: there is no fully reliable/Authentic english translation of the vedas available, you can try vedicbooks.com, but please use your discretion

    • I know! They are so clueless. They make themselves look foolish. Anyone with a basic understanding of Hinduism know that the priests of Hinduism, Brahmins, were the ones who know the Vedas by heart.
      “India’s rich literary heritage was passed from generation to generation through the oral tradition, by Brahmin priests who faithfully memorized ancient texts, and inscribed on palm-leaf manuscripts as shown here. The country’s earliest surviving literature, the Vedas are books of religious hymns. ….The great ancient epics of the Mahabharata and the Ramayana (the story of Rama, who is an incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu) are tales of heroic deeds that illustrate an individual’s proper conduct in the world through the Hindu virtue of dharma. The memorable stories, characters, and themes of the epics have inspired countless works and have been translated into many languages.
      Growing and crystallizing in oral and then written form, these epics reached their final written form in the fourth or fifth century CE, around the time of the Gupta Empire, a period that revived classical texts and inspired a flowering of Sanskrit literature. The great Sanskrit poems and plays of the poet Kalidasa, whose works drew on the legendary epics, and India’s famous treatise on erotic love, the Kama Sutra, also date to the Gupta period. These works reveal tremendous detail about ancient Indian society, religion, and culture and have captured the popular imagination throughout Asia.” From renowned American PBS http://www.pbs.org/thestoryofindia/gallery/photos/10.html

  27. Hi Agniveer,
    I admire your efforts to clear the misconceptions and promote knowledge of Vedas.But there is an air of superiority in your statements. You reject the archaeology and theory of evolution, then purpose that Vimaan shastra , a 19th century contraception projected backwards by ancient astronaut theories. In fact, the Vimaan shastra has been questioned by Indian Institue of Science, Bangalore.
    In fact, rejecting the theory of evolution is a bit puzzling when evolutionary biologists like J.B.S Haldane have actually expressed admiration for the close proximity between evolution theory and the chronological incarnations of Vishnu. Here is the relevant text : –
    “British geneticist and evolutionary biologist, J B S Haldane, observed that the Dasavataras (ten principal avatars of Lord Vishnu) are a true sequential depiction of the great unfolding of evolution. The avatars of Vishnu show an uncanny similarity to the biological theory of evolution of life on earth.The sequence of avatars starts from an aquatic organism (Matsya), to an amphibian (Kurma), to a land-animal (Varaha), to a humanoid (Narasimha), to a dwarf human (Vamana), to 5 forms of well developed human beings (Parashurama, Rama, Balarama/Buddha, Krishna, Kalki) who showcase an increasing form of complexity (Axe-man, King, Plougher/Sage, wise Statesman, mighty Warrior).”
    Regards,
    Kundan

    • Bro!! Actually Until my high School, I wanted to become an Archaeologist and Later on Shifted to Chartered Accountancy. So you don’t need doubt my knowledge on archeology.
      Point 1 –> No science has been fully developed.
      Actually a theory proposed previous century is replaced by a new one the next century ,So science is IN THE PROCESS OF PERFECTION . But few theories like Relativity are indisputable . So again The theory of evolution is NOT PERFECT. Do you know that many among the scientific field themselves oppose the theory.
      And AgniveerJi NEVER CLAIMED VIMANASHASTRA TO BE THE PERFECT BOOK ON AERONAUTICAL ENGINEERING. You have to appreciate the fact that Vimanashastram accurately gives few facts that are true and You should not forget the fact that IT WAS TOO ADVANCE FOR IT’S TIME PERIOD. Moreover it dealt with many aspects like material for construction or airplane, aerodynamics , BASIC BLUEPRINT FOR AEROLANES AND HELICOPTERS.
      Just think any civilization and DO YOU THINK THEY CAN EVER COME CLOSE TO US ??

      • “Just think any civilization and DO YOU THINK THEY CAN EVER COME CLOSE TO US”? Sorry, that is too ethnocentric a statement for a religion which is Sanatan dharm meant for everyone without favoritism. We can do without bigotry, brother..
        Talking of Viman sastra, it has been largely dismissed by Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore with several features actually conflicting with basic laws such as Newton’s law. Moreover, it was written in 19th century, not back in time. So, I need not explain it further.. In fact, for this reason, it should not even be included in discourse. This is like finding stupid Miracles in Quran based on common knowledge today. The example that i cited above with respect to avtaars of Vishnu are genuine because it was written very long back and not a later contraception.
        Regarding theory of evolution, it itself says does not it.”Theory” , not “Axiom”. and it handles a lot of cases. In fact to say it is “largely rejected theory” is different from saying “it is not perfect”.
        My contention is not to use dogmatic language and outright other disciplines.It becomes a turn off at times and then we are no different from Allah’s follower who oppose anything in Quran no matter how silly it is.
        Even more important than Vedas is Santana philosophy. Vedas only form the basis of Vedanta, but Mimasa,Samakhya, Vaisheshika, Yoga,Nyay has is highly atheistic or secular content. This is the beauty of Hindu philosphy that it does not begin at religion and end at religion.
        Check out this statement by another scientist talking about the age of Brahma
        “The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long, longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang.” —Carl Sagan, the american scientist who has written more than 600 research papers.
        Now, evidently, this is more impressive than “heaven and earth clove asunder” and terming it as “Miracle in Quran”..lolz.
        But, my point is, as great as our culture is, not be limited to only that. Sanatan philosphy has never been exclusive.Has that been the case, the work wud have stopped at Vedas, but it did not. In fact, puranas, mahabharat, ramanayan, upnishhads, manu smiritis and so on have been developed. In fact, when Buddha set out to oppose caste system, he was not punished as Jesus was punished by Jews or Mohammad fought Jews in battle. So, we should stop being dogmatic now. Buddism finally lost its battle to Sanatan dharma when Adi Sankaracharya defeated Buddhist scholar in debates or shashastra.
        So, we imbibe those qualities and not be dogmatic, this is what my point. Applying Vedic principles, yudhistar gave 4 years punishment to Shudra, 8 years to Vaishya and 12 years to brahmins but according to rule of law prevalent today, every1 gets same punishment. So, Vedas should also be viewed in light of today and appropriate actions should be taken according to rationality which is emphasized by Nyay philosphy .
        Regards,
        Kundan

      • Bro!
        I said CIVILIZATION and NOT RELIGION .
        And About Vimana Shastra, Go get your facts Right Bro,
        It was written By Bharadwaja around 4th century BC (Or before) and it was translated in the 19th century.
        And about Purana, Mahabaratha, Ramayana…… Do you know the actual purpose of them. >>I beleive Ramayana and Mahabaratha to be true incidents<<
        All the works other than the Vedas actually preach the Vedas. Have you come across one Work which promotes something against the vedas ?? The reason these were developed is to TEACH THE COMMON MAN the actual essence of the vedas.
        And Speaking about Philosophy, Vedanta –
        Vedanta means END of the vedas and it gives a philosophy .But if you see a Veda from it's start , It is a mixture of everything INCLUSIVE of science.
        And I request you to Just search the following book in GOOGLE BOOK. It is really informative,
        "PRIDE OF INDIA" a book published by Samskrita Bharati.
        And the reason why OUR CIVILIZATION WAS ADVANCED AND INTELLECTUAL BECAUSE IT WAS FOLLOWING THE VEDAS. You can compare ancient India with modern India and see the applicability of the Vedas. No one knows anything about vedas Nowadays.
        THIS IS KALI YUGA !!!!!!

      • About Vimaan shastra
        “The Vaimānika Shāstra ( वैमानिक शास्त्र, lit. “shastra on the topic of Vimanas”; sometimes also rendered Vimanika, Vymanika) is an early 20th century Sanskrit text on aeronautics obtained by psychic channeling and automatic writing. It makes the claim that the vimānas mentioned in ancient Sanskrit epics were advanced aerodynamic flying vehicles, similar to a rocket.”
        Here is some extracts from Mimasa and Samakhya, who reject God, yet believe in Vedas
        “Mimamsas argued that there was no need to postulate a maker for the world, just as there was no need for an author to compose the Vedas or a God to validate the rituals.[23] They further thought that the Gods named in the Vedas had no existence apart from the mantras that speak their names. In this regard, the power of the mantras was what was seen as the power of Gods.[24] Mimamsas reasoned that an incorporeal God could not author the Vedas, for he would not have the organs of speech to utter words. An embodied God could not author the Vedas either because such a God would be subject to the natural limitations of sensory knowledge and therefore, would not be able to produce supernatural revelations like the Vedas.[25]
        Samkhya gave the following arguments against the idea of an eternal, self-caused, creator God:[20]
        If the existence of karma is assumed, the proposition of God as a moral governor of the universe is unnecessary. For, if God enforces the consequences of actions then he can do so without karma. If however, he is assumed to be within the law of karma, then karma itself would be the giver of consequences and there would be no need of a God.
        Even if karma is denied, God still cannot be the enforcer of consequences. Because the motives of an enforcer God would be either egoistic or altruistic. Now, God’s motives cannot be assumed to be altruistic because an altruistic God would not create a world so full of suffering. If his motives are assumed to be egoistic, then God must be thought to have desire, as agency or authority cannot be established in the absence of desire. However, assuming that God has desire would contradict God’s eternal freedom which necessitates no compulsion in actions. Moreover, desire, according to Samkhya, is an attribute of prakriti and cannot be thought to grow in God. The testimony of the Vedas, according to Samkhya, also confirms this notion.
        Despite arguments to the contrary, if God is still assumed to contain unfulfilled desires, this would cause him to suffer pain and other similar human experiences. Such a worldly God would be no better than Samkhya’s notion of higher self.
        Furthermore, there is no proof of the existence of God. He is not the object of perception, there exists no general proposition that can prove him by inference and the testimony of the Vedas speak of prakriti as the origin of the world, not God.”
        Here is from Cārvāka, another hindu philosphy :-
        “The Agnihotra, the three Vedas, the ascetic’s three staves, and smearing one’s self with ashes,
        Were made by Nature as the livelihood of those destitute of knowledge and manliness.”
        So, Cārvāka totally rejected Vedas.
        So, the most important thing about Vedic tradition was not the veracity of Vedas, which maybe truth or not, but the presence of free society where people can form opinion and criticism based on rational thinking
        Buddism and Jainism emerged from Carvaka, but buddism rejected Carvaka’s stand that inference cannot be used as a source of proof.
        The society’s progress in ancient times was very much related to these ideals which western world calls as “freedom of speech and criticism, separation of state and church(every1 was free to follow any religion), etc.
        Same was true in China where they did not reject buddism when it arrived there, but mixed it with their Tao spirituality. And in Greece, where based on Aristotle’s school of thoughts, reasoning was followed. In fact, what Muslims claim as “Islamic Golden Age” came under two caliphs who refused to believe that Quran is revealed(their view was that it was made by Mohammad).”
        So, Vedas should be viewed rationally today and not as absolute law. (As was the case back then)And classical hindu philosphical aspects of questioning and debating (shashastra) are more important than Vedas.
        Kali Yuga ‘s sequencing is not related to Vedas at all. These are endless cycles, after Kal yuga, again the cycle will repeat.
        Regards,
        Kundan

      • About Vimana Shastra,
        Can you show me the link where you read about it?
        And Bro, If you are reading from Wikipedia , I pity You. Wiki can be edited by almost any person on earth (This includes people who are Jealous of our achievements)
        Well, It is simple . Just read The book I mentioned . Moreover This book Was referred to me By a PH.D holder in Sanskrit…….I forgot His name(Sorry). He is the Sanskrit HOD of Vivekananda College, Chennai and is the Regional Head of Samskrita Bharati.
        And if you still Doubt the age Of Vimana Shastra, Go to this Link
        http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_050307.htm
        And the Author was Bharadwaja who lived in the 4th century BC or before.
        —————————————————————————————————-
        And What is a Vedic Society??
        A vedic society is anything which Follows the Vedas. And the vedas themselves give the option of following it to the people. Now assuming that People were not given this freedom ,Buddhism and Jainism would have not Come and Caravaka and Samkhya would have not become popular. Yet Again The vedas Give the option to the Humans. And If you see from a rational point of view , The vedas make absolute sense.And History has showed that A Vedic Society always prosperous ..
        And more on Vedas and Sanathana Dharma , I request You to read a Book named “Voice of God” (7 Volumes) which is a collection of speeches of Chandrashekara Swamigal , one of the most famous Shankaracharya of the Kanchi Mutt . It is not necessary for you to purchase all the volumes , Just read one and I will gurantee you that you would love to read the others.

      • Ur link does not convince me at all about Vimaan sahstra. U should know that it is a pretty weak argument against wikipedia that even Muslims use. Wikipedia often contains links to sources where the information has been described. it could be correct/incorrect, but to get a consorted initial view. it is not wrong. I have given u better examples of confluence of science and hindu philosphy than Vimaan sastra, which was largely rejected by Indian institute of Science, Bangalore.So, case rests there.
        U need to understand that freedom was in opposite direction too. Bharat, first son of first Jain Tirthankar, Rishab Deb was a hindu who wanted to spread his empire all across present day India, Pakistan and so on.Obviously, it cant be done following Jain philosphy of absolute non-violence.And he was not punished. Vedic culture was prevalent even while composition of Vedas, and not a consequence of it. U want proof?
        As Mr. Agniveer says, to understand Vedas, u need to be yogic in every sense. But same Yogic thing was needed even while composition or revelation of Vedas on which society was based. Yoga allows u contemplation and discipline. Regarding Vedic, for example, “Vedas were composed in Vedic sanskrit.
        So, Vedic sanskrit must precede Vedas. So, do not limit Vedic period as just composition of Vedas, just as Hindu philosophy should not be limited to Hindu religion. In fact, it goes much beyond that.
        I agree that Vedas may be great, but we need rational interpretition and by being dogmatic, u r dwindling ur own audience.Hinduism, if advertised properly, would have attracted more people than Christianity/Islam . But instead of providing your rational views, u r resorting to rejected Darwin theory, archeology and so on…much the same way as ignorant way as christianity/Islam
        I suggest you read this : –
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/ancient-hinduism-enlightens-modern-notions-of-evolution/2011/08/24/gIQA33A0bJ_blog.html
        So, do not resort to out-rightly rejecting other stuffs.
        I am only speaking from the point of a well wisher. If u resort to what I have cited above, it acts as a deterrent. Much rather, you should courteously tell people that to gain Vedas, it is mandatory that proper routine are followed.
        Regards,
        Kundan

      • I have no intentions of convincing you. What I am saying is the truth and as said in the vedas , it is upto you to accept it or reject it.
        It is so dumb if you CITE wikipedia as a basis for an argument. SHOW ME RESEARCH PAPERS and not some random Internet article.
        And on Vedas and Vedic sanskrit. I request you to Read the book I said or else read an abridged version of that voluminous work named “The vedas” . Actually it is a concept which requires an neutral and open mind.
        I will just say the starting of the book . It says that Vedas are vibrations which require something for decoding it. For Eg. Though there are radio waves in the place we live in , we cannot understand the signal until we have a cellphone to decode it. In the same way , the rishis were the receivers or seers .the vedas are anaadhi (which means no start) . It explains that Vedas are like breath of Brahman .
        And Vedic sanskrit is A LANGUAGE USED TO WRITE THE ACQUIRED VIBRATION .
        Speaking on archeology , There has been many incidents where continuous carbon dating has given completely different results. Ie. when they were carbon dating a sunken city off Dwaraka , they got two dates for the same object (9000BC and 7000Bc) Now if ARCHEOLOGY IS SO PERFECT, WHY ARE THERE ANY DEVIATIONS. SO ARCHEOLOGY IS NOT PERFECT .
        YOU JUST READ THE ARTICLES WHY MANY SCIENTISTS DON’T APPROVE OF THE DARWIN’S THEORY .
        And on that Indian Institute of Science ,Can you show me a link to it ??
        BTW the study you mentioned were done in 1974 , and recently many western Countries consider Vimana Shastra scientifically accurate. Moreover It is Rumored that NASA is working on the Vimana Shastra. And the U.S govt is working on Mercury Propulsion Engines which were also mentioned in the Vimana Shastra.
        Se what I say is Simple. I have the Books which show the scientific Proof on the accuracy of Vimana Shastra . What I REQUEST YOU TO READ ONLY RESEARCH PAPERS AND NOT ARTICLES .

      • “What I am saying is the truth and as said in the vedas , it is upto you to accept it or reject it.”…What exactly are you saying?
        Vimaan Shastra : – http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Portals/0/Publications/ReferedJournal/ACriticalStudyOfTheWorkVaimanikaShastra.pdf. It was not composed in ancient times, that is also proven in this research. Now please give me a break with genuine Vedas.
        U did not get my point at all..anyways, I hope Mr. Agniveer gets it.
        Regards,
        Kundan

      • Dear Bro ,
        You seem to be really Lazy. The answer for your claim is Given in the book I Said. I will post the link
        http://books.google.co.in/books?id=sEX11ZyjLpYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=pride+of+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fa-nUPPjFYnprAeUxYHQBQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA
        But It has only 86 Pages.
        Your claim has been refuted there. But Any ways I will type it all over again.But I still request you to purchase the full book. You will be STUNNED. It is page No.115
        Ok, Now let us ASSUME that It VS(abbrevation for Vimana Shastra) was written in the 19th century.
        1)But Swami Dayananda Saraswathi has spoke about VS in a book named “A treatise on Rig veda” in 1875. But the so called Author mentioned in that book said the same thing much after 1875.
        2)Yantraranavaha of 14th century and Rasa-Ratna-Samucchaya 12th century spoke about the same metals and their qualities given in the VS
        3)The method of Air Blowing for extracting metals from ores was known Only to Indians until 1746 after which the Europeans Learnt from them. Interestingly this was also Given in the Vimana Shastra and Rasa-Ratna-Samucchaya.
        4)Moreover Sanskrit Scholars have discovered a Book Named “Yantra Sarwaswam” (All About Machines) which was Written by Bharadwaja and VS was one of the 40 Sections in that Work.
        Moreover You don’t need to be a scholar to find out the mistakes in That paper.
        Moreover This paper was published in 1974 . This paper was later refuted by many Sanskrit Scholars .
        I request you to read the book before commenting because I have read the same paper what you Said around 2-3 months Ago.

      • Hi,
        Ur points are actually funny. I am giving you quotes from far greater authority (people like Carl Sagan who published 600 research papers) and u r limited to a 19th century contraption which claims antiquity.
        1. Even if Daayand Swarswati did talk about the Vimayana Shastra of antiquity, what is the proof that the book published is the same DayaNand talked about. Everyone is not into buying into channelling.
        2. Maybe, but renowned professors have proved they do not work.
        3. Yes, the method of air blowing is very old. But that still does not prove anything about antiquity of Viman Sastra.?
        4. Discovered by whom? where? When? Who are the sankrit scholars? Are they going to teach thermodynamics and Newton’s law to IIT professors?
        I think you should know that a proper channel of criticizing a research paper is a research paper. Not some story written in some book.
        I know Hindus were very advanced, that does not mean we start dealing in nonsense like Kaba a Shiva temple and Vimana shastra ..
        I am not denying the possibility of Vimaana sahstra in remote antiquity. But the work has been lost. All this getting from the remote through teleporting is pure nonsense.
        Maybe much more work was there in Nalanda , Taxila, Vikrahmshila, etc which Hunas and fanatic muslims burnt.
        In modern India, we have not been able to make a figher plane till date. DRDO has only produced a trainer plane. All other things in the book you mention, like Aryabhatta’s work etc are verifiable, so no doubts on that.
        It is not about being lazy, its about giving in to sheer smugness related to our past. Of course, we had great heritage, but lets be honest about it. There are people like Charles Dean, Openheimer, Einstein, Carl Sagan who have praised Hindu scriptures, especially cosmology , so lets stick to that.
        We are not fool muslims who call “heaven and earth clove asunder” as description of Big Bang theory in Quran.
        I rest my case here. Vedas were written or revealed with logic , not smugness. Your very first statement, “any culture can match us” is full of ethnocentrism. China has contributed in paper, dynamite, candle, umbrella, porcelain and so on. We have made contribution in metallurgy, spirituality, numerology, astrology and astronomy. So, its mutual coexistence and respect.
        Even Vedas tells to gather good things from everywhere.
        So, lets highlight those aspects of our culture and religion which separte us from the others and why they are better. Rather than simply dismissing other with bigoted statements.
        Regards,
        Kundan

      • Dear Bro!!
        I admire your attitude towards The Indian Culture. And I accept to the fact that We have lost many of our works.
        One thing you have to understand that VS is not a REVEALED TEXT. As the name itself suggests , it is a shastram which means that it was written by a human. There might be flaws , but that does’t mean that it IS FULLY FLAWED. One more thing , Considering the Fact that there were no advance scientific equipments in the ancient period , VS is a FANTASTIC WORK .
        And about that research paper,
        It is so stupid for a research paper to state that “Mystical Powers” as the source of VS .Isn’t it supposed to be science?? and how can you give a final conclusion that he is the actual author without any concrete evidence ?Moreover even if we remotely consider him to have mystical powers , What are his other Works except VS ?? Can you list them??
        Robert Oppenheimer inventor of the atom bomb was well known for studying ancient Indian texts and perhaps drew more than inspiration from them. Just before the first Atom Bom test, Oppenheimer famously quoted from the Gita saying, ‘I have become Death, Destroyer of Worlds”.
        It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket “buzz bombs.” Hitler and the Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 30’s, in order to gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and perhaps it was from these people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information!
        Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships! Their method of propulsion, she said, was “anti- gravitational” and was based upon a system analogous to that of “laghima,” the unknown power of the ego existing in man’s physiological makeup, “a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull.” According to Hindu Yogis, it is this “laghima” which enables a person to levitate.
        Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called “Astras” by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of “antima”; “the cap of invisibility” and “garima”; “how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead.” Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously, but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government admitting to be researching anti-gravity.
        You listed the contributions of China like paper, dynamite , candle, umbrella …
        Well We can still survive without candles or umbrella. Do you know that Indians were the first to make explosives. Source : Sukra Nithi Chapter 4 section 7 shloka 194-196
        Just compare the magnitude of the contribution . DO YOU THINK ANY CIVILIZATION WOULD HAVE ADVANCED IN SCIENCE OR MATHEMATICS WITHOUT THE CONTRIBUTION OF “ZERO” BY INDIANS. BTW I AM NOT ETHNOCENTRIC , ACTUALLY I AM PROUD OF OUR CONTRIBUTIONS . TELL ME HOW MANY INDIANS ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT ARE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF INDIANS .IN FACT THE MASSES HAVE NOT EVEN HEARD OF VS.In fact we should be proud to be Indians and SHOULD NOT APE THE WEST.
        out of interest I am asking, can you post the links showing the scientific researches on VS
        I again request you to Read the book i mentioned

      • i agre with you in many things india was advanced and our hindu scriptures were great spirtually and with knowledge but we indians didnt know everything

      • But we laid foundations for many things . And Bro I just request you to google/purchase a book named “Pride of India” a book published by Samskritha Bharati , It is really Informative.

    • Thanks, a few points : –
      1. Vishnu incarnation is not my point bro, but Haldane’s .. Eminent scientists(physcist/cosmologists) like Dean brown, Charles Sagan, Capra, Einstein, Oppenheimer describe vast parallels between Hinduism and costomogy/physics. For example,
      “The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long, longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang.”– Carl Sagan
      I am not so much concerned with Brahma’s age, the story part, but it is true that somewhere composers knew about age of Universe ( For comparison, Christianity/Judaism consider earth to be 5000 years older) and Islam is bit ambiguous( 6 ayums). & Sorry there is no Arab petro dollars for scientists for speaking all this. Hindus cannot afford all that with their present day condition.
      2. “I still don’t think the Law of Karma and Existence of God are mutually incompatible”— :)…anybody believing in Bhagwat Gita knows there was never a conflict. Without Karma & only God, world wud become too fatalistic where everything is preordained.
      3. Yes, Agniveer’s statement, though he maybe knowledgeable, was a bit over the top. You can present your case without outrightly rejecting other ideas.
      When Richard Dawkins was asked about being athiest, he said he was at 6 on a scale of 1-7 of atheism(1 means God exists, 7 not). When asked y not 7, he said, it would be unscientific to dismiss something when not proven, but that he was pretty sure that God does not exist.
      I think we all can learn that, if not from the perspective of being scientific, then surely humility.
      Regards,
      Kundan

      • If only these “great” people bothered to know about ancient Greek, Indian, and Egyptian embryology, they could definitely have found the link.

      • I do consider embryology as something extra specials, since it was mentioned in other civilizations as well.Moreover, all these people conducted experiments in Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah university and the result was determined apriori. Find something in Quran which agrees with modern science and then make an interpretation which suits it. Later on Keith Moore was questioned by another American scientist, which he could not reply .
        Talking of cosmology, it is more impressive since to determine it accurately and other things, it requires tremendous intuition or observation. Moreover, these scientists who claim these are not paid by Hindus. And obviously, we do not believe in “miracle in Hindu scriptures” or anything of that sort…
        There is a greater possibility of such accurate findings in Greek/Indian/Chinese works than Abrahamic religions, because the former is based on rational work and later is based on available channel of knowledge. I suspect that Mohammad’s work if accurate was copied from Greek sources some way or the other. Otherwise, Saudi Arabia has never contributed anything of significant in technology and science and even the great men during Islamic Golden age were mostly from Spain, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Ujbekistan.
        Regards,
        Kundan

      • none of these scientists are well known and by the way many of these scientists never said any of this they way taken out of context by muslims just to make quran scientific only keith moore i think is the only one to actually say what muslims claim he said but many top well known scientists have said great things about the eastern religions

    • Can you say why are you against the theory of Karma. And Karma and god should o hand in hand otherwise it would make god biased and cruel. BTW i request you to read the article “God must be crazy” and refute each and every point. By any chance Karma is better than Salvation concept in Islam and Christianity.

  28. Please tell me Agniveer how can I find the correct translations of all veda as well as Upanishads.
    Please please please

      • Just don’t know why don’t Ambedkar’s sycophantic followers use some of their own brains. They keep on producing the same copied crap from what Ambedkar wrote so many years ago. This paper of Ambedkar Riddles has been refuted long back and in turn V.N. Utpat had also produced Riddles of Ambedkar and Buddha.
        You Ambedkarites keep on pedalling the same lie about Ambedkar writing constitution of India. The Truth is that there is nothing original in Constitution. Many of the laws existed from the britishers’ time, others were plagiared from other countries’ law books and rest were added or ammended later on. When Arun Shourie wrote a refutation to the claim of Ambedkar writing constitution and a few of his books, no follower of Ambedkar could come up with a refutation of Shourie’s work. All these sycophantic followers of BRA could do was shout a few slogans and blacken his face.

  30. Thank you agniveerji, for acquainting me with the Vedic knowledge and enhancing my faith on the Vedas.
    I have a question:
    It is widely accepted that Rigveda is an account of a battle between Devas and Asuras; mainly the battle between Indra and Vritrasura. It can be thought of as the battle between good and bad and that good must win. But what are those stories that Indra killed Vritrasura using Vajrayudha made with the spine of Dadhichi,etc,.(this one is the most famous one,I think) Please clarify my doubts.

  31. Here is an article you must read.
    It might talk some sense into you.
    http://neoindian.org/2011/06/16/why-you-should-read-the-vedas-and-why-the-religious-will-never-understand-them/
    No i am not an atheist nor a western religion worshipper,but a Hindu.
    Your articles are extremely misleading and full of senseless talk.
    A true hindu will never diss another religion,it would never assert his religion over other and would definetly not ridicule other people beliefs.

    • Mr. Kae,
      You have not done research on the topic and you blab on here. Why don’t you get a copy the Vedas and read it first. You can get one from agniveer’s website. Or are scared to actually read?
      Krishnarao

  32. I am surprised that this website, or at least the writer of this article, rejects the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. The author is not a scientist to conclude that 90-something percent of scientists are wrong in the world because their views conflict with his religious beliefs. What scientific research has the author conducted? To what expertise can the author lay claim?
    I eagerly await a response.

  33. The author seems to imply that all Western analysis of Hindu scripture is flawed. I don’t deny that some Western Indologists like Monier-William did have an ulterior “agenda” in their work but many others like Max Müller maintained high respect for Hindu culture. Furthermore, in modern times, it is highly doubtful that Western Indologists do have ulterior motives in their work. Should we say then that Indians who move to the West have an ulterior motive of converting Westerners to Hinduism?

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