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Islam: The fastest growing religion?

Agniveer Research
By Agniveer Research
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

Note: By Quran we imply the modern Quran and its translations as patronized by dominant representatives of Islam like Zakir Naik et al. There are alternate interpretations by minority scholars who are considered apostates by these dominant representatives and are victimized. These minority views do not form focus of the article. Similarly by Islam and Muslims we mean dominant version of Islam and their representatives/ rulers.

Islam is claimed to be the fastest growing religion by the new prophet of Islam Dr Zakir Naik and his followers. Large section of people inspired by the new messenger can be seen indulged in debating others over the issue of fastest rate of growth of Islam. Interestingly, on one hand, Mullahs in countries like India are assuring the people of other faiths about trueness of Islam through their own census, on the other hand, in Muslim countries like Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, etc, holy warriors are killing their fellow Muslims for not being true Muslims! But, one thing, which makes Islam different from others, is the spectrum of its preachers starting from Mullahs proving Islam through peaceful speeches to Osamas and Kasabs, who implement the peaceful teachings of Islam through their peaceful actions! That’s apart, today, we shall analyze the claims of muslims about Islam to be the fastest growing religion.

We will pick one by one the claims of Muslims on why Islam is from God, which we have come across quite often, and will scrutinize those in two ways. Comment “a” below every claim will examine it by assuming the claim to be true. Comment “b” will contain the reality of the claim, whether it is right or wrong.

Islam is best and the only religion from God because

Claim 1: it has the following of over 1.5 billion and in few years, Islam will become no. 1 surpassing Christianity.

(a).
(i) Still the majority is with Christians! If number is the criterion of being best, Christianity is better than Islam. Moreover, we can generalize this logic and say that, since non muslims are 5.5 billions (almost 4 times the muslims), non muslims are better and hence Islam is not from God!
(ii) According to Zakir Naik, sinners in the world are increasing. Readers can watch one of his videos answering a question about reincarnation. This is evident from the deeds of people as well. Everyone can see the moral values going down. People have become more selfish and they are no longer ardent devotees of God, as they happened to be in the past. People are not as truthful as the people of past era used to be. So, the number logic says that lies, selfishness, immorality, and atheism are from God as they are practiced the most! Also, sins and Islam both are increasing simultaneously as per Zakir Naik. So, if one is from God because it is increasing, other would also be from God by the same logic. Wise will conclude the rest!
(iii) What about the time when Muhammad started preaching his philosophy? His religion was neither in majority nor was its rate higher. Should not then Islam automatically fails to qualify the majority/highest rate test at least in past?
(iv) Just like Islam today is claimed to have high growth rate, idolatry was at boom some few thousand years ago. Isn’t then idolatry from God? And everything, which either was/is in majority or had/has highest growth rate should be from God by this logic!
(v) Since number is so important for Muslims, then, is it not strange that they believe in just One God and one prophet? Why are not polytheists better than Muslims since they believe in more Gods? Or is it that number logic works opposite here? Can anyone enlighten us, in which case this number logic works, in which, it gets reversed, and in which it does not work at all?

(b). Islam will become number one for sure in terms of population. But the reason behind this is not the people converting to Islam but higher number of babies muslims produce. It is evident from the fact that muslim countries have highest growth rates, which is the result of high birth rates rather than any conversion, since all are already muslims there with nobody to convert.

Claim 2: more and more people are coming to Islam
(a).
(i) Logic of majority/high growth rate has been examined above.
(ii) Islam is the comfort zone for the people fond of lust. Thus people with lower character accept this opportunity to enjoy 72 virgins forever. This is the main reason behind most of the conversions to Islam. Moreover, Islam provides complete package of 4 wives and innumerable concubines to the males in this world itself. This makes Islam favorite for many, who are in search of moral justification to have extra marital relationships!
(iii) It’s true that more and more people are accepting Islam but at the same time, many are leaving it too. If accepting Islam by people is seen as truthfulness of it, why not leaving Islam by many people is a proof of its falsehood?

(b). Zakir Naik says that don’t judge a car by its driver. Thus we should look down to Islamic scriptures to know Islam and not see what the people say or do. One will be called as a muslim only when he does Fard (duty) as per Quran and Hadith.
(i) Today, most of the muslims of Indian sub continent (I am not sure about other muslim countries) worship graves. Nijamuddin Auliya in Delhi, Moinuddin Chishti in Ajmer, Haji Ali in Mumbai, and many others like these are visited by muslims in huge numbers, making these the largest gatherings of muslims anywhere in the world after Hajj. But according to Quran, grave worship is Shirk and Shirk is the only sin, which will not be forgiven! Thus most of the people, who think they are muslims but actually they are not, will go to hell!
(ii) Praying 5 times a day and fasting in the month of Ramdan is also the duty of a muslim. Can Zakir Bhai tell us how many of so called muslims are actual muslims as per the above condition?
(iii) Many hadith say that a muslims should not dress like Kafirs. Many places, it is written that a man’s dress should not hang beneath the ankle. If it is, the man will not be entertained by Allah on the day of resurrection! And interestingly, modern day prophet of many muslims,  Zakir himself dresses like Kafirs (wears suit and tie), which has been called Haram by Muhammad!
(iv) Muhammad ordered muslims to grow beard. But today, we see hardly any muslim except Madarsa bred Mullahs having beard.
In short, it can be concluded from the above points that a muslim is the one, who does not do grave worship, does offer prayers five times a day, fasts for whole month of Ramdan, does not wear cloths like Kafirs i.e. pants, shirts, suit, tie etc, does not wear garment which hangs beneath the ankle, has beard as per Islamic norms etc etc. And the one, fails to do any one of the above, will burn in hell forever!
There would hardly be few million people, who actually follow the above norms. If this is the case, Islam is actually the fastest declining religion today and has least number of followers among all religions!

Claim 3: Quran is the most read book of its time
(a). This is yet another logic which many muslims used to give. Again, by this logic, Quran cannot be said as word of God because it was not read as much as other books like Vedas used to be in the past. And today, books like Harry Potter, five point someone etc are read by crores of people, which by number logic, should be from God! One can ask that we are discussing religious scriptures and not the fantasy books or novels and hence Quran cannot be compared with these books. But, we should remember that Quran too is full of the stories of angels, Jinns, Satan, flying donkey, splitting of moon, birth of a baby without father, weeping of trees, stones talking to man, sky as roof supported by invisible pillars, seven skies, heaven, hell, pre decided fates etc. So, for a sensible person, there is hardly any difference between Quran and the stories of Ali Baba Chalis Chor! We have categorically analyzed Quran in our previous articles and we have shown that why cannot Quran be from God. Readers are requested to go through the articles listed under the section “analysis of Islam” in our site.

(b). Indeed, Quran is the most read book in the name of religion, but it is the most hated book of its time as well! So, it cannot be from God since its haters are more than its lovers.

Claim 4: Quran is the only text on the face of the earth, which is free from any tampering
(a). By this logic, every article on this site is from God, since no tampering whatsoever has been done in those!

(b). Actually, this claim of muslims regarding perfectness of Quran is a hoax. There is a dispute among muslim scholars regarding the exact number of verses in Quran. Everyone knows that Shia muslims consider this current Quran to be incomplete and they believe in a Quran, which they say original, which is comprised of 17000 verses, but is not available today. In other sects of Islam, some people estimate about 6236 verses, some say 6349, some even claim 6666! Many even say that some verses were from Satan instead of Allah! After this much of contravention, how can one claim Quran to be free from any interpolation? Moreover, current Quran was compiled much later after the death of Muhammad by his followers, who were fighting each other to spread the message of religion of peace!. In these circumstances, who can believe in the claims of Quran to be unchanged from its beginning?

Claim 5: many hindu Shankaracharyas like Shankaracharya of Banaras  has openly announced Muhammad to be the last prophet and Quran to be the final word for whole humanity.
(a).
(i) First of all, we would like to know, can a hindu Shankaracharya, who is a Kafir and believes in idol worship, become source of inspiration for muslims to believe in Islam? If that be so, why not idol worship be accepted by muslims as holy work since Shankaracharya does it?
(ii) Bringing a hindu preacher in an Islamic gathering is itself against the doctrines of Islam. So, the muslims including Zakir Naik should do Tauba for committing this sin. Since muslims are not to believe in the words of Kafir, Shankaracharya should not be taken seriously in the matters of Deen! Hence Islam is not from God.

(b). There is no Shankar Math and hence no Shankaracharya in Banaras by the way!

Claim 6: many famous scientists have embraced Islam.

(a). All the scientists were/are non muslims. Thus, if scientists are to be followed, Islam is not from God!
(b). The fame of those famous scientists is yet to reach non muslims and intellectuals! We are trying to contact IRF regarding these famous (?) scientists but have got no response.

Claim 7: Islam is being accepted by many people in west. Number of women converting to Islam is higher than men. This is the biggest proof that Islam gives highest respect to women.
(a). People of west do many more things like drinking, open sex, multiple partners for both man and woman etc. Do muslims accept these deeds also right? If not, how can the decision of such people accepting Islam be said right? Hence Islam is not from God!

(b). People of west are really coming to Islamic ideology! That is why Zakir Naik has been banned from even entering in Canada and UK. May be, westerns have become so much Islamic that they don’t require outside preachers preach Islam anymore!

Claim 8: Miracle of Kaba being center of the earth has been proven scientifically.
(a). If Kaba is at the center, how does it prove trueness of Islam? Kaba was built by Ibrahim, who was the father of Jewish people. Should not then this miracle of Kaba being the center of earth proves trueness of Judaism instead of Islam?
(b).
(i)Anyway, this is the most foolish thing one can claim! Earth is almost spherical and its center lies inside it. How can Kaba be at the center? Can the center of a sphere lie on its surface? Even if one talks about the surface, every point on the surface of a sphere is geometrically same. Then what is so special about Kaba?
(ii) The scientists, who claimed it, must be Madarsa alumni because science has not become advanced enough to shift the center of gravity of earth from its center to its surface! Of course, Madarsas have the technology of “Kun Fayakun”, which is unique solution to every problem and above all, Allah knows the best!

Claim 9: Miracles of Allah are seen even in animals and birds. For example many goats, cows have been found to have name of Allah and Muhammad written on their backs. Many crows, dogs, and donkeys have been seen to call “Allah Allah”. One can type “miracles of Islam” in youtube and find hundreds of such videos.
(a). It seems that the testimonies of famous (?) scientists, Moulvis, and Shankaracharya were not enough to prove Islam best. Hence people have started giving testimonies of animals in order to show superiority of Islam. Wise choose the path, which other wiser people have chosen. But in Islam, it is other way round. Muslims argue that we should accept Islam because animals say “Allah Allah”! Again the question arises, can deeds of animals be the bench mark for humans? If that be so, why do muslims wear cloths, go to schools/Madarsas, accept the marriage bond, work in offices, wash hands, take bath….? Moreover not all animals say Allah! So again, by number logic, Islam is not from God! Anyway, we give advice to Zakir and his followers, not to follow animals, but follow intelligent.

(b). In reality, the videos of such miracles of Allah are nothing more than the laughter shows! Readers can themselves see those videos and get a heavy dose of laughter. Those videos are even more entertaining than those of stage performer Zakir Naik. All I can say, it is the biggest mockery of Islam and Allah by muslims themselves in the name of miracles.

Claim 10: People are leaving other religions to accept Islam but no muslim leaves Islam.
(a). This is obvious as Islam orders to kill the one, who leaves it. This is the reason why is Islam a one way trap, in which one can enter but cannot come out. Biggest reason behind this is the coward mentality of muslims of not allowing non muslims to preach in their countries. One can see heights of fanaticism of Muslims that they want freedom of speech in every country and they enjoy converting others. But they don’t have guts to let others preach their religion among muslims.

(b). This claim is false though! There have been great scholars within Islam, who openly criticized many doctrines of it. For example, Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, the biggest Islamic educationist of India, founder of Aligarh Muslim University, openly denied the existence of Satan. He criticized many other beliefs as well and as a result, fatwa was issued that he is a Kafir! Anwar Shaikh, another eminent scholar of Islam from Pakistan, calls Islam, “The Arab Imperialism”! He was cremated instead of burying as per his wish to die as Vedic follower. He was very proud of his Vedic culture and ancestors. Another notable scholar from Pakistan is Ghulam Jelani Barq, who completely rejected the hadith! He was also listed as Kafir by the mullahs. Today, Ali Sina, Parvin Darabi, Wafa Sultan, Parvez Hoodbhoy, Tariq Ali, Imam Mehboob Ali, and many more are criticizing Islam greater than any non muslim. They all were born in Islamic families. So according to this logic, Islam is false because many scholars have left it!

After analyzing these claims, we can conclude that fanatics like Zakir Naik are spreading the hoax of Islamic superiority based on their own false census of highest conversion rate. People are being fooled by the so called experts of comparative religion in the name of childish logic, self created census, and science. We have seen that how mocking was it to claim Islam best because some animals said “Allah Allah”. In the end, we request everyone to think rationally and then take a decision. Crowded place should not be the destination of intellectuals. Rather, it should be based on logic and morality.

“Follow the right path, irrespective of how many people are with you. Don’t reject the truth even if you are alone and whole world is against you, because in the end, it is only truth, which will prevail” -Rigved

Read Post Disclaimer

It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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  1. @shaikh:

    Forget about Vedas/Quran, etc. for a minute. The Quran is silent about a previous creation. Fair enough. But, why are you against a God that could have had a previous cycle of creation?

    You see, this is a very important philosophical point because God/Allah is considered to be “blissful” by most religions. That necessarily means that God/Allah cannot all of a sudden desire something fresh. If God/Allah does that he was not “blissful” before.

    • @KalBhairav / TS
      —–The Quran is silent about a previous creation. Fair enough. But, why are you against a God that could have had a previous cycle of creation?—— — In an eternal chain, there is no “first No. 1″ creation. Every creation had a predecessor and will have a successor—–
      Pl read quran verses which is words of Allah, creator of everything. You may verify your all such imaginations. The first chapter in which Allah describe himself as
      “Al-hamdu li-llaahi- Rabbil – aalaameen” – All praise to Allah who is the Lord of “all the worlds”
      the Lord of the worlds” (Al-Fatihah 1:2)
      *{O Moses! Verily I am Allah, the Lord of the Worlds….}* (Al-Qasas 28:30)
      *{..Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds.}* (Al-A`raf 7:54)
      *{Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments (heavens) and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (Allah) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah comprehends all things in (His) Knowledge.}* (At-Talaq 65: 12)
      But I do not know what you imagine what God should create as per your imaginations?
      —–But, why are you against a God that could have had a previous cycle of creation?—–
      Quran clearly tells that there is no God except Allah in the entire worlds..all other Gods you imagine are false Gods, pl show evidence from veda where your idols or Avatars claim that they have created all the world..Then what is that description of God? what is his nature and definition? what is his name? No imagaination pl only vedic reference…We say there is no God except Allah…How we can be against a God which do not exist..We only say all are your imaginations..we are against your imaginations only..
      You say about an Vedic God which did not create soul or Prakriti from its origin..You beleive or glorify in Avatar which do not claim creation of this universe..You worship idol which never claim they are Gods..
      “We are not fighting with such stones such stones must be useful for better purposes but we are against imaginations only ”
      You only imagine about Allah, Quran, Islam as well I have understood that you have only imagination about your own Vedas…
      —-What do u mean by “This is first creation of Allah?”—–
      TS: Where did you find reference in quran for this? This is again your imagination? difficult to answer for your imaginations! where did you have discovered this?
      —–Do u believe Allah is unchangeable? If yes, what means of unchangeable as per your thinking? & If no, Why?—– —-Brother can u explain me what do understand by word 1. Eternal 2. Perfect 3 Absolute—-
      Glory or Greatness or Perfectness of Allah is complete in the sense which can not be added even an atom or sub atom level if entire creations join to work for that or even can not be deducted or removed even if entire creations rebel against him. Changes always described for development with betterment or deteriorations from any reference level..which is irrelevant in case of God….God is conceived as eternal (everlasting), free from imperfection with absolute perfection in Islam.
      —-Can u explain me as per Kuran “Allah is last? What means last here—-
      Quran says Allah is Awwal (first)..Akhir (Last)…
      He is the First and the Last, and the Outward as well as the Inward:
      and He has full knowledge of everything. Al-Hadid 57:3,
      After all seizes to exist Allah remains. His creations may come to an end, but His presence is forever. He is Final and Perfect in every respect.
      Allah is the first, the One before anything or any being. The beginning of every action, command, thought, intellect and knowledge as well as all worldly, physical and spiritual matters are from Him and at His will.

      • @Shaik
        ___________Quran clearly tells that there is no God except Allah in the entire worlds________

        If I would say there is not God except Khuda. or If I say there is no God except God.
        Will I be wrong?
        _______You say about an Vedic God which did not create soul or Prakriti from its origin________
        As per Veda soul & Matter also eternal. Eternal means which is beginless & endless. Which is created must be destroyed as per unchangeable law of Allah.We do not believe blindly that Allah can do everything. Like Allah can not make a stone which is too heavy to be lifted by Allah. Allah can not kill himself. Allah can not destroy to soul. Allah can not make me Allah.
        __________Changes always described for development with betterment or deteriorations from any reference level..which is irrelevant in case of God….God is conceived as eternal (everlasting), free from imperfection with absolute perfection in Islam.________
        Thank God, at least you are in line of Veda here, knowledge direct emanated from Allah. So, u do not believe idea of universe creation was new for Allah. & You have accepted Kuran nowhere claim this is first work(creation) of Allah since eternity. That means Allah had made many creations before that creation. The previous creations also like this creation. Because Allah is perfect there is not change in his creations. This process is since eternity & that means we are also since eternity. Indirectly you accepted the Vedic facts.

      • @TS,
        http://satyagni.com/1624/islam-the-fastest-growing-religion/#comment-15594
        Declaration of affirming (witnessing) oneness of our creator in arabic language is
        “Laa – ilaaha – il – Allah” ” No Ilaah except Allah” –(which you know it well)
        ilaah is general term for any god(s) in arabic, but all were agreeing “Allah” as the Supreme and He is the creator.
        For example for arabic Christians their ilaah is Jesus Christ, they try to equate Jesus Christ with Allah as son of Allah, again word of Allah or Sprit of Allah or Allah itself but they do not deny Allah..
        In case of Arabic isolators many of their god(s) share the divinity of Allah, but still they agree Allah as supreme.
        Jews have a lot common with muslims for the faith of Allah..what we say “Shirk” they also call as “shituf” but in general jews try to equate Allah with human comparison although they do not provide an idol to Allah.
        The word “Allah” is unique which gives ideal conception to God.
        The english God may also be preferred still this word can be twisted as God..Godess..or f Godfather, Godmother, You may use Hindi word “Khuda” but I do not know what definition you give for Khuda, although we muslim also use the words God, Khuda but prefer the unique word “Allah”..This sense will vary with different languages..We try to reject only the words for God if it is picturised or given idols.. or the words which gives imperfection to God…
        As per Islam Soul and matter had a beginning and creation of Allah. Allah created the soul and matter when it was nothing..This is very easy for Allah, it is power of his creation. Allah can destroy soul and matter if he wills. This definition we differ for God. You arised a lot of objection as how a God can exist without creation? This thoughts make you soul and matter eternal still give power to God over this…So God is not a creator as per you, only he is change agent, change initiator..This we deny…You doubt on how God can create out of nothing !…also you do not conceive what is ‘nothing” God does not loose any thing when he creates many things out of nothing..
        Mainly we deny with you on
        1. Idol conception or picture conception God
        2. Conception of Avatar
        3.Conception of Children to God
        4. Conception of family to God
        5. Comparing God with any of his creations
        6. Providing or assuming or doubting on perfection of God in any aspects
        7. Making imaginations or lies about God without evidence from Vedic texts (quran)
        8. Interpreting God’s words (quran) about Allah with imagination, assumption, twisted interpretations, comparing with creation or negating it.
        Pl provide your Vedic texts we can compare with verses of quran to understand how much we agree directly or indirectly ..Thanks

      • @shaikh
        If I will recite “Aum” as Veda says best name of Allah. Will I be treated as Kaffir?
        meaning of Om/Aum is Here
        Om has three Hindi words. Aa, Uu AND Ma. Aa is meant for Aakaar from which three names of God are built, Viraat, Agni, and Vishwadi. From Uu = uukar from which Hirannyagarbha, Vayu and Tejas names occur and Ma = makaar from which Ishwar, Aditya and Praajyan aadi, holy names of God occur. Rigveda mantra 1/164/46 says God is one but His names are several. But here OM the holy name of God is only being explained.

        VIRAAT = Viraat word is made from dhatu ‘Rajrideeptau’ i.e., manifest. Therefore Viraat means He who manifests the universe. As God manifests the universe, thus Viraat is the name of God. Rigveda mandal 10, sukta 129 states that like potter makes pot from clay, similarly God creates universe from non-alive matter prakriti. Prakriti is unseen matter. From unseen matter, the whole universe is created in the visible form. Science also says that matter is never destroyed but changes its form. Suppose a paper is burnt, paper changes its form into ashes. Then ashes are crushed and thrown in air. At this moment, the paper changed into ashes becomes invisible but was never destroyed. Similarly the whole universe at the time of final destruction is turned into prakriti i.e., into unseen form.

        AGNI = From dhatu, “ANCHU GATI POOJANAYOHO” the word “AGNI is made. Its meaning is: He who is a form of wisdom. “SARVAJAYEN” i.e., Omniscient. That is, knows each and every atom of universe and even beyond universe. He who is to be known, to be gained and is worshipful. So Agni is the name of God.

        VISHWA = Vishwa word is made from dhatu, “VISHPRAVESHANE”. Its meaning is He in whom the universe is entering or He who is entering the universe. So being omnipresent, Vishwa is the name of God.

        HIRANNYAGARBHA = i.e., ” JYOTIRVAYIHIRANYAM”. Its meaning is, who is the base of all sun, etc., luminous lokas or He who is the living place of all luminous lokas.

        VAYU = from dhatu, “VA GATIGANDHANYOHO”, vayu word is made. Its meaning is He who holds, gives life and destroys and is the mightiest amongst all. So the name of God is Vayu.

        TEJ = from dhatu, “TIJA NISHANE”, the word Tej is made meaning He who is self made and self-enlightened and gives light to sun, moon, stars etc. God does not take light from anywhere but gives light to sun, moon, stars, etc. so the unbroken, unobstructed/unproduced and eternal form of light is Almighty God and not sun, moon etc. So the name of God is Tej.

        ISHWAR = from dhatu, “ISH ASHWERIYE”, the word Ishwar is made. Its meaning is whose knowledge is thoughtful and true and He who has unlimited wealth, fortune and glory etc. Therefore the name of God is Ishwar. Here it is not out of place to mention that soul (man/woman) has limited qualities and are dependent whereas God is independent and has unlimited qualities that is why He is God.

        ADITYA = from dhatu, “DO AVAKHANDANE”, Aditya word is made. Its meaning is the one who cannot be broken into pieces and thus cannot be destroyed. So God’s name is Aditya.

        PRAJAYEN (PRAGYA) = from dhatu, “JYEN AVABODHANE”, Prajayen word is made meaning whose wisdom is totally without any misunderstanding and thus he who knows every matter and behavior of whole universe without misunderstanding. So God’s name is Prajayen. So here also it is not out of place to mention that illusion can never attack on God and God is totally free from illusion.
        I like Aum word to much.
        Rest in article:-

        http://agniveer.com/2513/om-hinduism/

      • @Shaik
        ______Idol conception or picture conception God___________
        It is against Veda bowing head before Kaba stone or other stones found anywhere. We are against kissing of stones & Go around Kaba or other stones building.& Grave worship also against Veda.
        _______So God is not a creator as per you_______
        Yes I believe God is not creator of Shaitan as kuran says God created to Shaitain to misguide the people?
        . _______Conception of Avatar________
        ________Conception of family to God________
        I
        Theory of Avatar & Prophets & family God etc against Veda. We have clarified our stand here.
        http://agniveer.com/2728/god-vedas-hinduism/
        Probably you have not read this article. That why u have posted this question. Must read this.
        ________Conception of Children to God________
        Yes, we believe, Allah is king & we are Allah’s subject (praja). Praja is like children of King. Allah is our lord & we are his children.

        _____Providing or assuming or doubting on perfection of God in any aspects______
        We do not believe in blindly Kuran which says Allah created “Shaitan”. We believe Allah is perfect & most intelligent & he never created to Shaitan. 2) We believe Allah is not worship desires as per Kuran Allah wants his worship. 3) We believe Allah does not depend on angles or prophet to impart knowledge & he do not require to speak, Pen, Copy to impart Knowledge.
        But Veda get appears in heart of Yogi as one realizes Allah. & We all can realize Allah & can get salvation. Allah has given us equal opportunity.
        I past A article here
        when a rishi does tapsya in the shape of Yagya, practice of ashtang yoga(Non-violence, Patience, Forgiving, Self-control, Non-Stealing, Purity, Control of Sense and Work organs, Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Non-Anger) then the ved mantras are originates in heart and the rishi pronounces the mantras and those mantras are called Vedas, emanates from God.

      • @shaikh:

        So, even when pointed out logical/philosophical inconsistencies with your conception of God (Allah), you will stubbornly disregard these and hold on to Allah?

        Why?

        What would make you start disbelieving in Allah?

      • Kalbhairav, they will disbelieve Allah is Muhammad is proved to have taught a hoax. Until Muhammad is held as the idol / ideal, no Muslim will disbelieve allah.

      • This is just frustrating…Muslims do not explain WHAT is meant by eternity, they do not believe in a previous cycle of creation/preservation/dissolution, they are not atheists who believe it is all just complete randomness, YET THEY WILL BELIEVE IN ALLAH THAT CREATED STUFF EX-NIHILO?

        On top of this they use the word “eternal” when talking of hellfire for us Kufrs.

        What cause Allah to all of a sudden create non-existent souls and a non-existent universe to suddenly start testing souls? Why didnt Allah play Tic Tac Toe with Satan to while away his time? I mean, thats what I used to do with my class mate in 5th standard when the teacher was away from class. Either that or a “scale” game where we used to get 3 chances to push the scale to the other edge of the table. If that got boring, we used to play “book cricket”. Allah, dude, you could have done ANY of these as pastimes…how and why did you choose to test us poor souls instead? Whats the point?

      • @TS/KalBhairav,
        You disagree with your Hindu brothers for idol worshipping , belief in multiple Gods, concept of Avatar , meaningless rituals, supertitions, Human divide based on castes etc., So I all such things you agree Islam and Muslims.
        Nice, Good, Islam categorize you as “Sabaens” if you are truthful on the above.
        I like to know your plans to change the above ignorances with our common Hindu Brothers..Have you started another Satyagni “in the service of true Hinduism”..What is the response from the Hindu brothers for your call…How they react? Have they started implementing like Temples without idols ? , declaration of single deity, free from all meaningless rituals..This will help us for an common understanding between Hindus and Muslims
        Also you have disagreement with Islam and Muslims for the following disagreement
        1. Allah creation of Shaitan or Evil or testing of humans by Allah with good and evil
        My comments : Then do you say Evils exists eternally on their own which fights with God? Vedic evidence needed for me.
        2. God did not create matter and soul as per “Vedic Team”
        My comments : Islam says Allah created matter and soul as per his commandment when it was nothing. God is capable of destroying them, God will destroy matter and soul and God will recreate matter and soul. God will make soul eternal for an eternal blissful life or painful life. Matter and soul had always had a beginning. Ok we differ in this..Let us agree the disagreement
        3. Non existence is not acceptable to “Vedic Team”
        My comments : ..Let us agree the disagreement
        4. Prophets or messenger of God not in agreement with Veda
        My comments : ..Let us agree the disagreement, we need to discuss with Vedic evidences
        5. Not using reasoning and logics in case of Allah
        My comments : Why you do not agree that your reasoning and logics always ends with an imagination or false theories in case of God..I do not see any sound scientific logics from you..you may build a lot philosophies, logics and reasoning which always have certain limits before ultimate truth. You always write pages and pages about your imaginations , assumptions, reasoning, logics still do not produce any single proof or evidence..We muslims said already “do not know about all hidden things but we beleive in this way”. We never try to imagine…like God will look like a monkey or donkeys…
        6. Bowing before Kaabaa stone / Going around Kabaa/ Kissing of Hajarul Aswad- black stone or other rituals during Umra or Haj
        My comments : Masjid Kaaba is the direction of prayer.it is not an object of prayer…Hajarul Aswat stone is from Paradise..what is wrong if I kiss sand of our motherland for the respect..all other rituals we do because prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did we follow…of course we do not use reasoning in the matter of worship, simply follow Muhammad Nabi we can not produce reason unless stated by Muhammad Nabi or Allah in quran to us…Worship is the matter of following Allah and prophet…If someone gives his own reason he will again get misguided….
        All other worldly matters we are supposed use our reason for our best life…

      • @shaikh:

        If Allah created evil he is malevolent and unworthy of worship.

        If God can create something out of nothing, can he make a stone he cannot lift? I asked you this before but you didnt answer. Not answering questions directly is a waste of your time and mine.

      • @KalBhairav / TS ,
        —If God can create something out of nothing, can he make a stone he cannot lift? I asked you this before but you didnt answer. Not answering questions directly is a waste of your time and mine—-
        No Muslim will answer your such imaginary queries like this unless any such references found in Quran. So You are wasting your efforts by making such a big website also imagine yourself that you have defeated your creator Allah. You should have a commonsense before asking this question.
        Such questions you should ask Allah “directly” like
        ” Ya – Allah ! My creator can you create a stone which you can not lift?”
        You keep on asking all innocent muslims like me, you should have a common sense how I can answer on behalf of Allah? Again and Again I quote this to you because this is the fundamental error of your website…You do not know whom to ask which question?
        But I respect your question that you have some genuine query about your creator..That much I can respect..Every time when I say “I do not know ” you can not get the basic meaning, also you have great feeling as you have defeated the worthiness of your creator..? Thousand times you argue with me as a friend or any Muslim ..the answer is “We do not know, we believe in Allah”
        So there are two choices for you,
        1. You can ask Allah when you will meet him , He will definitely answer you ” How much your mind is limited to understand your creator?”
        2. If you are truly interested you can deeply read verses of quran which is the words of Allah, definitely Allah has answered us for what our mind seeks..That experience you should feel after pondering over the verses of quran very deeply…Surely I can not help..Pl do not waste our time asking such queries..or spreading across mass..in anticipation of solution from anyone..If any human gives some magical words it will be again cheating on God whether it may be a great muslim scholar or Swamiji or Christian father…Why you do not acknowledge my honesty in this case….?
        1. If you are really seeking Answer really Allah only can answer you, keep seeking within your minds, whatever logics you will get still validate that, you can disprove on your own..do not get possessed like this is the concept from quran or your own veda or bible or some poor man told like that
        2. if you are working to disprove Allah, you can try your best…but make a sincere honest attempt dear! do not fool yourself ultimately…
        —–If Allah created evil he is malevolent and unworthy of worship.—— If Allah being Almighty can do biggest kufra by creating Shaitan—-
        In case of Allah nothing is evil, whatever from Allah is good only..This is the basic testimony of islamic faith..”Laa Hawla Wa alaa Kuwwatha illabillah” …”No good or No evil exists without permission of Allah”
        If you eat a fish, thorn of the fish may injure your lips, it is evil or painful for you, but for the fist its thorns are backbones….Shaitan is evil to humanbeing but not to Allah…Already Shaitan knows very well about his wisdom of his creator…This is a very genuine question..but you can not ask why Allah created Shaitan..You are instructed not to follow him..fire are evil or painful if you touch it, it is not wisdom if you ask why Allah created fire, wisdom is not to touch the fire….poison also will make you die, then will you say Allah did not create poison because of its evilness..Instruction is you are not supposed to eat poison..if you eat you need to face the consequence…? If India makes Atom bomb it may be good for india but it may be evil for Pakistan..You need to deeply think,,simply you can not reject how God can create evil…if you think in this manner..you will disown even yourself..Pl think…
        As per Islam everything is the creation of Allah only you blame Him or do not blame him….ultimately you can not escape from Allah, this we have understood, you are yet to understand abou Allah?

      • @Shaik
        You are a blind believe. We are not blind believer.
        You can believe whatever you prefer:
        But:
        1. We never believe Allah created Shaitan to misguide the people. It is belief of Kaffirs.
        2. We never believe It was Allah who first first time supported incest & order to practice incest to the children of Aadam.
        3. WE never believe Allah was sitting idly before this creation. But we believe there was a creation before this creation & there is no change in Allah’s creation. Because change means development..
        4. We never believe Allah ordered to Mohamad to do sex with his daughter – in – law who was like his daughter Fatima.
        5. We believe Allah never ordered to Mohamad to do sex with a girl who was like his grand daughter.
        6. We believe, we Should think for all same as we think for ourselves. If we one expect ones wife should not go in bed with another man, same should be followed by one.
        7. As per Veda every human is equal in eyes of Allah. He give us equal opportunity to realize him & All have equal opportunity to get direct revelation from Allah.
        8. Bowing head before Kaba stone/any other stone against Veda.
        9. As per Veda worship worthy only Allah. We should not recite Humans name in Allah’s prayers. It is biggest shirk. & Allah does not depend on angles to give his revelation to his devotee. But when a aspirant concentrate on Allah, Kuran gets appear in his heart from the mercy of Allah.
        10. We believe Allah is perfect & almighty. His knowledge can not be destroyed by anyone. But As per Islam Allah earlier revelation destroyed by human but Allah could not protect.
        11. We believe Allah looks our deed not worship. Allah is not worship desirous. But it is your book theory Allah is worship desirous.
        12. We believe Allah never test us. Because Allah is omniscient/All-knowing & All-knowing never require to take any test because he/she already knows everything.
        Rest I give a link:-
        Purpose of creation in Hinduism
        http://agniveer.com/2775/creation-hinduism/

  4. @shaikh:

    The entire essence of your most recent post is “I dont know. Ask Allah.”

    In counter to that, here, we strive to provide an alternative philosophy on which you can live. Yet, being Muslim, you are unable to remove the shackles of the Quran to fully embrace the superior philosophy on offer here.

    Nearly EVERY question posed here has a logical answer within Hinduism.

    I asked you before. I will ask again. What will make you start disbelieving in Allah?

    • @Kalbhairav / TS ,
      I told you very clearly on your “specific imaginations” about “Allah” or “Creator” to be asked to Allah only, (not to me or not to any common man)…Ok you are posing as you know everything as God, also you claim that God has given for “All to have equal opportunity to get direct revelation from Allah”. You are the most knowledgeable person than me….
      On simple question…
      1. What your God created an single thing in the entire universe ? How he can be a “Creator” if he has not created anything even a mosquito on his own ? on the contrary you keep on claiming that your God created multiple creations….You contradict yourself..
      2. You will ask all illogical questions and will expect answer from me..You must be software engineer..Take a super computed and try to do simple mathematical operation like example divide the no 1 by 0 (zero)..it will say you illogical..or it will not produce answer..Similarly there are many illogic’s declared in science also
      3. You pose an illogical question like ” Do God can create a stone which he can not lift?”
      Ok let us reason with logics..(not vedas)
      If I say a person “X” capable of doing any thing? So you ask me this question ” Do he can lift a stone “which he can not lift””…these are all illogical…also you claim that you have answer for such logics..So you must be a great scientist of this era..So pl apply for “Noble prize” definitely you will win….
      Ok for argument sake if I say God can not create such stone, then you will say…then he is not a creator
      If I say God can not lift then you will say then he is not Almighty……
      So God either can not be a creator or can not be an Almighty….So you have chosen Almighty is meaningful – you agree but deny the creating power..Ok in such case some one may agree on Great Creator but disagree on “Almighty”..Still whatever logical answer will not perfect..That is the reason Atheists said ” There is no God” by using many such human reason…So you can never produce an alternate theory which will give all logical answers for God. Quran already discusses this about limitation of human mind..I said so emphatically even proven laws of physics in this earth not applicable for another earth in another universe….Here in this earth you will fall down if you slip from top..This need not to be correct in another planent..He may swim….
      —————Nearly EVERY question posed here has a logical answer within Hinduism.
      I asked you before. I will ask again. What will make you start disbelieving in Allah?—–
      You are now exposed yourself using quoting two words ” Hinduism”… “What will make you start disbelieving in Allah”…
      As per me you are just a defender of idol worshipping..you work for people to disbelieve in Allah although you use many polish word..Why you cannot clearly come out with your purpose openly ?
      Allah created all the matters, soul , destiny, evils and good everything – I can not disbelieve this assumption also you can never produce an philosophy which can not be defeated by another sets of counter logics..So you are the root source of creating confusion in the world….(Shaitan!)
      Similarly
      Exaggeration of first permission for incest, (As per you Brahmin and Dalits do not have common forefather)–This is not the part of faith of islam or not continued or acknowledged later for anyone..So it is exaggeration…which you try your best to deny common forefather of All humanity….
      Denying the wisdom of polygamy (Although you have not yet stpped Hindus following polygamy at equal level to Muslims)
      Denying concept of messengers or prophets of God, (Risalath)- also granting prophet hood for all..(no Dalit prophets in Hinduism!) ..also denying the nature of divine revelations….
      Degrading marriages of prophet Md, , and using it to deny prophet hood of Md. Nabi- all you twist in such cases although clear understanding is given in these matters…..
      Denying creations—So you do not beleive in a creator? or do not know who is the creator ?
      Denying methods of worship of Allah (prayer, fasting, zakah, Haj, qibla, direction of prayer) – Muslims follow Md. Nabi in such worship matters…you will always pose logic in this..on the other side you have never worked to eliminate rituals and supersitions among hindu practices…So such evidence…..
      Denying Allah will test and provide justice….You can not feel Allah is testing in your life with good and evil also will give justice for how you have responded with good or evil….
      all you need correct understanding in these matters…Muslims have correct understanding of all these..not how you pose it is false….Pl read all my posts in this forum where I have answered my best for all the imagination of this “holy” websites..
      Ultimately you are working to defend Idol worshipping and for Satans…This is what I have understood at the end…So perfect Answer to you is “We beleive in Allah” and ” Allah knows everything” when I say “Allah knows everything” I have to admit ” we know little about Allah”..This is nothing blind..clear conviction after deep study of all your alternate philosophies !

      • @shaikh:

        I already proved to you how 100 construction workers are greater and more powerful than Allah…They can make a structure that they then cannot life. Come back when you have an effective counter-argument to this. Saying that either a yes or a no answer will puncture your fanciful imagination of Allah is YOUR problem, not mine.

        Does Allah approve of incest?

      • @Kalbhairav,
        http://satyagni.com/1624/islam-the-fastest-growing-religion/#comment-15642
        —-I already proved to you how 100 construction workers are greater and more powerful than Allah—
        “I already proved” – Where you have proved? Where is your thesis? Have you submitted that to any engineer’s forum or physics forum? Which science magazine it was acknowledged and published..You just fooling around with your website.
        Quran is the only book in which a God named “Allah” claims that he created everything out of nothing..Billions of people acknowledge this!
        In which book of the world which God claims who created everything? (bible is the only reference, again it quotes to Allah)
        Show in your Vedas your God created even a mosquito? Your comment refers to your beleif of God only…already your imagination is disproved…

    • @Kalbhairav
      —-Does Allah approve of incest?—
      Allah does not approve incest, your arguments in this case are weak without any quranic refernces

      • @shaikh:

        Allah does not approve incest, your arguments in this case are weak without any quranic refernces

        Are you nuts? Adam screwed Eve. Who was produced? Then, how did humankind develop?

        So, Adam and Eve didnt have navels…those born from Eve definitely had to have had that. Isnt that evolution?

      • @KalBhairav,
        —-Are you nuts? Adam screwed Eve. Who was produced? Then, how did humankind develop?—–
        So you left about discussion on God and thought to win in this favorite subject, always you sneak into an weak areas to win..
        You asked an general law “God approving incest or immorality”..I said “NO”..
        Why you have not asked this case specific to first children of Adam and Eve.?..So I ask you again any specific quranic which glorifies this act even “may” have happened…
        So although Allah do not approve incest or immorality this may have happened as a part of compulsion or may remain as a fact…Even in this era statistical data shows 6% or some percentage of Americans involve in incest, God did not do anything about them also God do not approve this act….Your question is whether God approves this…In such case you need to show evidence from quran.. I answer to your specifc question..not imagining like you..

      • @shaikh:

        I left the God as creator debate because YOU COULDNT answer. All you said was “Allah knows best”. If thats the case whats the point of debate? You yourself admitted you do not know enough about Allah. So, if you want to reopen that case please let me know why Allah cannot make a stone he cannot lift.

        You DO realize that if Adam/Eve story is true we are STILL committing incest, right?

        If Allah doesnt approve of incest why couldnt he create multiple Adams and Eves ALL over the world instead of a single pair somewhere in the middle east?

      • @KalBhairav,
        My intention of discussion with you or anyone here is not answer to your queries about Allah Islam , I am only pointing out that you build only “imaginations” than providing actual evidencse from quran or Hadith..
        You imagine like example
        – a bird sat on a coconut tree and this is the reason coconut fallen down
        -person X had the knife in his hand before dead body so person X is the killer…
        I feel sorry for you that at the end you will not reach the truth, I am not going to loose anything…
        You said can Allah can create an rock which he can not lift..I already answered you deeply in my posts…
        I asked you a counter logic that “Your God” did not create even an mosquito? if he has not created anything..how he can become a God..because as per God must be keep on breeding creations..but matter, energy, soul , evils , good remain independent of God’s creation..This question you have not answered me..You simply say that “My God” did not create all these! How are you sure your God did not create all these? So you also do not have answer!
        Incest of Adam children not approved by God…approval is different from allowing..If your logic is correct a person does murder why God approves that? Answer is God do not approves that act in that situation but he allows that act in that situation..You can see many such things practically. Someone stolen Gold jewels of your idol God why he approves that…or why he allowed?
        Allah’s wish is different from Allah’s will ! Allah can create multiple Adam and Eve but this is not his will….God knows many people may die when heavy rain comes, people dying is not the wish of God but will of God, means he permits…This can not become reference for denying God’s wisdom or thinking some new theory on God….
        Ok..as per you there were muliple adam and Eve..so each created different family with different surnames..This theory does not give unity of human family…so you think aryans are different from Arabs..why God approved this disunity..partiality of human races..you need to answer my counter logic..Do not rush, answer me thinking I will again pose some counter logics on your philosophies..So you also can not answer me at the end…

      • @KB

        Shaikh caught in pants.

        @Shaikh
        btw do you know *Shafi sect allows man to marry his biological daughter* . isin’t it incest?

      • @shravak
        —do you know *Shafi sect allows man to marry his biological daughter* . isin’t it incest?—–
        It looks interesting..Shaft imam said like that? Do you have evidence ? Which book it is written? Let us not assume pl..pl send references before attributing this lie to Shaafi Imam

      • @shaikh

        Anyway, you will not going to believe me if also i provide the proof. Better search in google.

        Copy paste this line in google ‘Shafi sect allows man to marry his biological daughter’ . And let’s see what refutation you came up with.

      • @KB/Shaik/Shravak

        Brothers, there is person in my village named Ali who has made pregnant to his 15 years old daughter. When Villagers tried to kill him, police interrupted & inquired to him, he replied that he received divine revelation from Allah to have sex with his daughter & he did nothing wrong. He wife Also affirmed this & said he never tells lie. & And due divine revelation from Allah, police could not do anything of Ali.
        But I am confused this is wrong or right. Has he Really received divine revelation from Allah?
        This may be true. Because if we look history of revelation from Allah, Allah has given such revelation to many persons including Mohamad, Aadam & his children etc. Mohamad did sex with a child who was like his Grand daughter. Again he did sex with his daughter-in-law who was like his daughter Fatima. & If we look back history before Mohamad, Aadam children also did sex with each – other.
        As per Islam there is nothing wrong sex with mother & sister. This is followed like Animals.

      • @TS / Satyagni

        You just bluff taking some case of Ali…your claim is blunder..are you ready to prove the position of islam in a court..so thar you are prepared to receive penalty mutually agreed….for your blunder words…since you have some blog write you are not supposed to write everything..

        Satyagni, Pl note such baseless bluffs….and stop when you do not have any evidence..otherwise no healthy discussion can be expected…

      • @TS
        —due divine revelation from Allah, police could not do anything of Ali. But I am confused this is wrong or right. Has he Really received divine revelation from Allah?—-
        This incident is true..If this person was surrendered to an Islamic court he will be sentenced to death and will be punished before people merciless for two reason when it is proved.
        1. As per Islam except Mohammed Nabi , noboby can receive divine revelation “from Allah”, so he is claiming as he is prophet of Allah without any proof
        2. His act is zina (adultery) as per Islam also his wife will receive such punishment…
        Indian police did not do anything..even they did not do anything for many hindus who did such acts..can I send evidences of recent happenings..they claimed Hinduism for such acts for which hinduism or Indian law do not have any law….

        —This may be true. Because if we look history of revelation from Allah, Allah has given such revelation to many persons including Mohamad, Aadam & his children etc–
        THIS IS THE BLUNDER WORDS FROM YOU..QURAN IS THE REVELATION WHICH EXISTS OPEN TO ALL..YOU READ FULLY AND SEND ONE VERSE TO ME…IF NOT YOU ARE A LIAR AND CONFUSION CREATOR..I DO NOT FEEL RESPOND YOU UNLESS YOU PROVE THIS TO ME FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH (YOU TAKE A OATH FROM YOUR VEDA)…LET US DECIDE THIS WITH WITH GREAT HINDU SCOLARS LIKE SRI SRI RAVISHANKAR OR SOME OTHER UNBAISED HINDU SCHOLARS AND HINDU LEADERS..YOU GIVE ME PROOF LIKE YOU ARE SUBMITTING BEFORE A JUDICIAL COURT WITH SERIOUSNESS..SO THAT YOU MAY RECEIVE PENALTY FOR YOUR LIE…
        —As per Islam there is nothing wrong sex with mother & sister. This is followed like Animals.—
        NOTE YOUR WORDS ABOVE…SUPPOSE YOU IMAGINE THAT THERE IS A PROSTITUTE LIVING NEAR TO YOU..SUPPOSE YOU MAY CLAIM THAT I SLEPT WITH HER..STILL SHE MAY BE A PROSTITUTE SHE MAY TAKE YOU TO COURT AND ASK FOR PENALTY ‘FOR YOUR INSULT”..
        BUT IF YOU DO NOT GIVE ANSWER WITH EVIDENCE TO YOUR ABOVE WORD..YOU ARE A LIAR (I DO NOT FEEL TO RESPOND TO YOU)..YOU DO NOT SEND YOUR IMAGINATION..YOU SEND PROOF FROM QURAN OR AUNTHETIC HADITH WHEN YOU BLAME ISLAM..UNTIL THEN YOU AND YOUR SUPPORTER ARE IDIOTS BEFORE MUSLIMS…YOU ASK APOLOGY TO ALLAH..YOUR WORDS HAVE WEIGHTAGE TO TAKE TO HELLFIRE IN THE COURT OF ALLAH..YOU THINK IN WHOLE LIFE..STILL NOW I PRAY ALLAH TO GIVE YOU RIGHT GUIDANCE….BUT YOU DO NOT TAKE THIS WORD TO MUSLIMS THEY WILL KICK YOU..BECAUSE MUSLIMS KNOW HOW TO RESPECT THEIR MOTHER AND SISTERS..THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE ALL YOUR TEAM IS LIARS..IF SATYAGNI SUPPORTS THIS….READ ALL MY WORDS HAVE I ANYTIME SENT SUCH PERSONAL ATTACKS..OR HURTING..IS IT YOUR VEDA TEACHES! YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN! YOU ARE A SHAITAN …

      • @Shaik
        __________As per Islam except Mohammed Nabi , noboby can receive divine revelation“from Allah”________
        That why I feel Modern Kuran Allah is not impartial. He do not treat all Human being as his children. On Other hand Vedic Allah gives equal opportunity to all. All person can get revelations from Vedic Allah.
        ________OU ASK APOLOGY TO ALLAH________
        I do not believe It was ALLAH who ordered to Mohamad to had sex with his daughter. Mohamad just made fool the people that he had taken permission from Allah to do sex with child & his daughter. Allah never forced to Aadam children to practice incest. It was just Mohamad imaginary story. Mohamad & his Chele (Followers) made fool people of Arab that Mohamad was gone to 7th sky to meet Allah. People of Arab in 7th century were very innocent. But Mohamad tried to in cash their innocence by mis- propaganda regarding Allah. Mohamad was a not aware with science & he put illogical facts as he used to imagine to make fool of people.

  6. @shaikh:

    The Hindu concept of creation is much deeper than God saying let there be and there was…something out of nothing. You cannot give me ONE example from day to day living on this. Hence, you are engaging in special pleading and it is worthless to discuss that for which you have no example.

    The Hindu concept of creation has to do with cause and effect. There is a whole philosophy in this, but let me touch on this briefly. The Vedanta thought on creation is that the effect inheres in the cause. That is, the effect exists IN the cause in unmanifested form. Eg. a gold bracelet, gold ring, a gold necklace, etc. are effects/creations/name and form but all of them ultimately are derived from gold, which is its cause. Even before the creation of these names and forms, the effects existed within gold in unmanifested form. So, you keep saying, the Hindu God never created anything, etc. etc. but little do you realize that Brahman is ALL there is…we were ONE WITH BRAHMAN before manifestation. Another anology to illustrate this is in terms of atomic particles. Every element is made up of the same electrons, protons, neutrons, etc. What differs is only the number of protons+neutrons within the atom across different elements. Yet ANOTHER example is that even though a boy grows into a youth, the youth into a man, etc. the same soul inheres in him. The soul is the cause and it had the potential to develop into a boy, youth, man over time. This is the idea of causation/creation within Hinduism.

    So, prior to “creation” within Hinduism, all of us, Prakriti+Jivas, were one with Brahman. It is out of supreme benevolence towards the unliberated Jivas that Mahapurusha gives us another cycle of creation via Prakriti. You and me are similar in the eyes of Brahman. Brahman doesnt differentiate whether you worship Allah or Krishna. If you do good, he will provide you with infinite bliss. You dont need Mohammed or any other historical figure at all. It is just between YOU and God. No one else.

    That is the unity and greatness of Hinduism. Each of us, regardless of language or culture, need not bow down in unison towards some place in Arabia, believing in a 7th century trader, etc. Wherever we are born, we are ALL God’s child. That is the unity preached by Hinduism. This has been the same whether it was 1000 BC, or 0 AD or 700 AD or now. Now, THAT is the unity of humankind.

    Do you agree that you would be committing incest when you mate with your spouse since all of us descended from Adam/Eve?

    So, I have tried to explain Hindu idea of causation/creationism. I have provided analogies to explain my case. You can try to find fault with my analogies, etc. if you like.

    If you want me to continue conversing with you, I want examples. Not simply stating Allah created something out of NOTHING.

    So, in your NEXT post, I want an example of ANYTHING you can think of where something comes out of nothing. If you cannot provide one, I will consider you to have lost your case and not bother responding.

    • @Kalbhairav,
      Why you are so frenzy to defeat me and win over in arguments? and uttering words like (…I will consider you to have lost your case and not bother responding…)
      It is good that you have limited yourself to defeat my arguments than defeating Islam..
      Pl read Quran or authentic hadith carefully instead just jumping into any conclusion or imaginations…Quran has such miraculous verses still explanations of it has not yet ended..pl read its words carefully “than my comments “….
      —-You cannot give me ONE example from day to day living on this—-If you want me to continue conversing with you, I want examples. Not simply stating Allah created something out of NOTHING—- So, in your NEXT post, I want an example of ANYTHING you can think of where something comes out of nothing. If you cannot provide one, I will consider you to have lost your case and not bother responding

      You (human) are the important practical for day to day example..
      What you were before coming to this earth?
      We perceive as practically you came out of nothing only…or any born plant , floors, animals, birds, seeds, eggs…You say big tree was inside that seed..but you do not believe that seed was nothing before…
      You will say I was with Brahman (bramatma- Greater soul ) or was an soul (derived soul).
      This is again an assumption as per human reasoning or science, not has yet been “proved” still remains as “belief” of people. Read quran carefully it also says Allah created all from a “single soul”..You call that single soul as God…muslims say Allah created that single soul..
      If your assumption may be valid..our assumption on “creation out of nothing” also valid…In your case you deny greatness of creator..in our case we fully agree and “believe” in the creator
      —-The Hindu concept of creation has to do with cause and effect—-
      All the cause and effect of creation is discussed in quran also..Hope you have not read carefully words of Allah
      —-we were ONE WITH BRAHMAN before manifestation—- prior to “creation” within Hinduism, all of us, Prakriti+Jivas, were one with Brahman.—-
      Quran also says we are created out of single soul…but that single soul also created by Allah..we do not believe God as a sprit or greater soul..
      —-Brahman doesnt differentiate whether you worship Allah or Krishna—-
      If you know who is your creator then you can worship that creator…All muslims, christians , jews beleive Allah is the creators in case of arabic speaking people..
      does your Veda says Krishna or Rama or Hanuman, Ganesha created you?
      …If you have Vedic evidence pl give me..Until then I am worshipping my creator only…
      Your creator will see you whether you are worshipping your creator or some monkeys or snakes..or some graves or some dead people or some great people or avatar thinking they also part of brahaman
      —You dont need Mohammed or any other historical figure at all. It is just between YOU and God. No one else—-
      Exactly, Muhammad Nabi (pbuh) said same thing….Whole preaching of Muhammad Nabi is to connect a man and God directly with correct understanding…He is the only religious leader he said he does not need for this…
      That is the simple reason we follow him as our role model to understand our creator..E
      xcept Mohammed Nabi all other religious leader become already God..
      You must understand why? and how he guided his followers to realize God before criticizing him simply based on some arguments like he is not from India or he married many women..
      —Do you agree that you would be committing incest when you mate with your spouse since all of us descended from Adam/Eve?—-
      This is some exaggerated wordings..
      The world or nature has a lot of reproductive or sexual mathods…Even some animals reproduce by self matting…Such rules of the nature has to be studied with elaborate scientific understanding.
      As on today no human being in the earth agrees incest.
      Even this may have happened for the second couples of this world considering one human father …God may have “allowed” this..but not approved..
      because I do not see any quranic verse approving this act or glorifying act or indicating this act….
      we do not imagine this way like how you imagine…
      .even you imagine God created for basic four couples for brahmins, kshatriya, vaisya or sutras…because the incest theory is hold good there also because they never intermarried or mixed as per caste theories..
      if they mixed already..there is no brahmin or sutra today..why your common people hanging on that. caste divisions ?
      why you become so much anxious when a Brahmin boy marries a sutra girl, after all both of you are same religious people..Muslims, Christians have some opposite theories..Pl think. But let science prove whether we are from single father incest also happened or we are from multiple father with multiple races, let us wait ..let us not criticize each other due to this…

      • @shaikh:

        I am still waiting for any analogy you can provide of creatio ex-nihilo or something coming out of nothing. Isnt it possible that Allah created the souls/prakriti out of himself? It seems more reasonable and scientific…No?

      • @KalBhairav /Shaik
        Brother KB, Shaik is blind believer. He can say anything. He can say, you can post comments here without writing any thing. (Out of nothing). He can say you can build a house without any material. (Your house is out of nothing). Dear Shaik, a Good imaginer.

      • @TS,

        Hello, I do not feel answering you because of your indecent way of discussing the subject…Md Nabi is free from all your imagination…He married many women not his grand daughter or daughter..as per me you are a liar if you do not give me evidence from quran or hadith..until then pl do not write to me…I will not answer your comments..in your case do not try to divert me with other topics..Meanwhile i will discuss with others until they do not cross the limits of decency..There is always ways to put your criticisms..Pl learn from some good hindu acharyas….

      • @shaikh

        Don’t bother us to answer, we never ask you to visit and post trash here. did we?

        btw do you know according to Sachar Committee 23.4% of prison inmates are Muslims in 8 states of India(Assam, Kerela, jharkhand, karnatka, delhi, maharashtra, gujarat,TN).

        Go and first teach your brothers about ISLAM and then come here and debate with us.

      • @KB,
        what you were before the doctors or nurse told your relatives that you have arrived this world?
        You were nowhere as per Indian or world records? You may tell so many theories from Vedas or revelation but as per common sense all are assumptions (not yet proved)..better word is “beleif”
        So you were nothing also a “beleif” or “assumption”…I go by my assumption..because it is possible for my God to create out of nothing..This is my beleif..we can not debate this…also we can not debate your assumptions…There may be analogy of how beleif will influence someone’s thought…
        In your case God is having limited roles in creations
        As per my faith or belief God is ultimate creator. There are choice “A” and Choice “B” or Choice “C” makes differences in religions..I follow what is Quran teaches the assumption on God or how Md . Nabi taught us to beleive..Mostly i request you to understand this inline with quran verses or Hadith ..not to drive your imaginations..or logical conclusions..You may tell me I am blind..But if you analyse your beleive also it will be also blind..may be your mind accepts that thinking…logically we can not prove any theories on God…If logic comes Atheists will always win..So answer will be “There is no only” as per any of our human reasons..because one philosophy about God can be defeated by another philosophy..
        So we need to go and check what each Veda says…
        for example christians say Jesus is God..but no bible verses so explicitly says Jesus is God..but christians w ill try to prove this point indirectly….As long as you are honest to your Vedic words you will be sincere to your assumptions..better we will not dump our understanding on Vedic understanding…This is equally applicable for Muslims and Hindus

      • @shaikh:

        I go by my assumption..because it is possible for my God to create out of nothing..This is my beleif..we can not debate this

        But your belief is illogical! It is empirically/phenomenally falsifiable for you can give NO EXAMPLE/ANALOGY DEMONSTRATING creatio ex-nihilo!

        I asked before, why dont you believe that Allah created Prakriti and Jivas out of himself? That is more logical and scientific, no?

        Can a Muslim be a Muslim without believing in creatio ex-nihilo? Or is it required that one should believe in illogical stuff to be a Muslim? It is shameful that you guys go about creating countries for Muslims only on the basis of this illogical/falsifiable belief. Just because creatio ex-nihilo makes you FEEEEEL good about Allah is no reason you guys go about creating countries for fellow believers in illogical stuff!

      • Hello Shaikh:

        Please clear two doubt of mine : use quran/hadiths only:

        How many days it took Allah to “create” this existence ?

        Can Allah take ‘avatar’ like the form of Jesus and come to earth?

        I shall await humbly for your answer.

  7. KB/Truth Seeker :

    Shaikh is in a trap. He knows he doesnt have anything to say, but if he leaves now, he is afraid it will be taken as ‘losing the debate’. So he is going to put the same arguements again and again till it either wears us out or satyagni bans him for trolling, either of which will put his conscience at rest that he has not let down his quran.

    • @NaRuTo:

      Bingo! It is call “lastworditis” – a disease wherein the guy who has the last word in an internet debate exchange is deemed the “winner”.

      @shaikh:

      OK Buddy. I am out of here. The last word is yours.

  8. ..Shaikh… please use quran and tell me: How many days it took Allah to create this world? Can Allah take avatar/ come to earth like Xtians believe of Jesus?

    • @Brothers,
      All “if” and “buts” are your imaginations, wishes or mental desires..
      Based on your if and buts you have dumped a lot of garbages, waste arguments against in this whole website.
      Ok , you have your own imaginations in the name of freedom of speech..whatever may be ..
      But as a first condition learn to support your imaginations, wishes or mental desires with quranic verses or aunthetic words of messenger of Allah (Hadith or Sunnah) if you want to criticise Islam.
      If you dispute with for an properties legal authorities or disputed parties will demand for set of documents..If you seek employment, employer will ask for your educational certificates or experience certificates as a proof..
      They will not entertain you whatever explanations you may give..You are already in that situations..lost your arguments as a whole, using psychological tactics, indecent, uncivilized methods to defend you…
      Pl do not send me any queries without supporting evidences from islamic source…some 60% of your claim yourself will reject if you do this process..another 30% cases you may need help from us for how to understand corrected because your tendency will be to confuse, mix the falsehood with truth, twisting, and lies..This we need to scrutiny your minds very deeply..because you are all such a tricky peoples, liars and not inclined to truth…another 10% there will be serious religious differences in which Allah is the only judge between us…we may not be able to find answer however we may debate….
      Do not try to involve words like defeating me or “he is in trap” or defeating islam…be realistic or be truthful , be practical…Hope I made my point for all of you..Problem is that all of you have never read quran or Hadith deeply , pl do that with wholistic approach first..Complete answer or reply for you remains there only…I just remind you again the same…
      Thanks for spreading false on images, definitely a lot of hindu brothers will get interested and will approach us and we will clear their doubts…You are ultimately helping islam to grow and exposing your ignorance, imaginations, lies, indecency and falsehood..

      • Ok brother. Could you please take your leave now? I will contact you when I have some original doubt, not the ones these intellectual idiots post here in this stupid site. Feel free to stay away from this site until I contact you. Cheerios.

      • @NaRuTo

        You people nothing can do against islam..You can never diminish divine guidance in this world by your so called intellectuality..Your words are the start of the failure of all your imagianations about islam posted everywhere in the website in the name of so called your “mental sickness”..I pray let Allah cure that sickness for all of you…

      • @Shaik/Naruto

        Brother Naruto, If I am not wrong shaik want to say just believe blindly in Kuran. Blindly means do not argue or ask question. Just follow all teachings of Kuran without applying mind.
        Even shaik has not read Kuran basics but he wants from us to believe blindly. He can not answer to us even a simple query like that

        http://satyagni.com/1624/islam-the-fastest-growing-religion/#comment-15743

        Shaik expect from us to believe blindly imaginary stories of Kuran & Hadith.

      • Thanks for your concern brother shaikh, If it really is mental sickness, I myself pray to Allah to cure it and be under his divine guidance. Now we have that cleared, could you please take your leave now? You shouldnt be bothering to comment here since you will only comment when quran/hadith verses are produced to you. I will contact you when this happens. Until then use your valuable time elsewhere. 🙂 Peace be upon you brother.

      • @ Shaikh:
        Namaste Brother.. so applying Logic and thinking rationally means being “Mentally Sick”.. ok .. anyways .. I have some doubts regarding Quran and I am sure you will clear them once and for all and prove to us that Islam is the only religion of God.
        Brother Faizi was commenting on Agniveer and Satyagni.. I asked what was god doing before the Created everything viz, Heaven, Hell, His Throne, Universe, Angels, Jinns, Humans, Animals, Muslims etc.. He said read Quran Surah 2 Al-Baqarah from Verse 1 to Verse 39 your doubts will be cleared.. so I did that.. but I came across a stumbling block in the very 1st verse.. it Says Alif, Laam, Meem… its translation to says the same thing.. there is no explanation regarding it.. neither on Quran.com or quran.al-islam.com (official Islamic Web site of Saudi Arabia where you Mecca Medina is).. Muhsin khan and Dr. Ghali say “Only Allah knows their meaning”… can u please tell me its meaning???… so that I can move on to the next verse!..

        Dhanyavaad!!

      • @Atman,
        I am only interested to discuss with directly with Satyagni who will take the ownership of the discussion.All other little satans are start behaving rudely, indecently , with uncivilised manner when then can not answer….This is not healthy for the discussions related to seeking truth…
        My first point was
        1. All your imaginations in this website to be supported with quran or Hadith evidences..It is all your imaginations you have raised in the whole website…I need supporting evidence for each and every imagination if you can not give..Pl make a remark as we cannot give..
        2. When some one says “leave now” , some one uses “indecent words” then what is your intention? you want to discuss or not? suddenly someone like you enters and asks some questions
        3. I said clearly you show your standards , or concepts of Veda, I will disprove the same also with the same logics or if and buts used by you….pl be rationale…Humanality and logics will not help you to prove anythings..anything can be disproved…can you tell me what is good ? what is bad? As per human reason killing also good..can you disprove?..I will take another logical web avatar to prove this to you…In that avatar I will expose you…You will know how I am using my brain to trap your concepts…
        4. So acknowledge first Islam is divine guidelines, instead of entering arguments try to follow it you will get the benefits in life, experience it…realize the peace within you..To get that peace within you nothing wrong even some one follows it blindly but correctly as per quran or Hadith…
        5. What is your problem for supporting your imaginations with quran and Hadith..then we will move again..I request Satyagni to change whole website configuration and direct discussion for this…It is rationale to expect answer for your own imaginations

      • @ Shaikh:
        Namaste Brother…You can freely discuss on every topic directly with Satyagni in discussion forum.. No one is stopping you.. If anybody is using foul language during discussions you stop discussing with that person and report to Satyagni.. he will definitely take action..

        Your Points

        1- Brother, the doubt which i Raised is not from my Imagination its right there in the Quran and you Know it.. I just want to know what does “Alif Laam Meem” mean.. if only Allah knows its meaning.. Why reveal it to humans??…

        2- If someone tells you “leave now” or uses Indecent words that doesnt mean you should leave. This stage is as much yours as it is mine or even Satyagni’s.

        3- I dont have so called standards as you like.. I am a Vedic Student and shall endeavour to learn about it each day.. I use Logic and Understanding and accept what is acceptable and reject whatever is illogical.. is that enough for you??… You said you can disprove anything by using Logic and your new web avatar.. that’s really good.. do you believe Quran is immune to Logic and Reasoning?? Same thing is going on here my Friend.. we will accept whatever is logical in Quran and Throw into the trash whatever is Nonsense even if it is from Allah. and if you can Use that same faculty of your Mind to disprove Vedas.. go ahead my friend.. if you feel from inside, from within the Soul that your efforts are in the right direction just do it!

        4- You said First Acknowledge Quran to be Divine Guidelines.. and There is nothing wrong in Following Quran Blindly but Correctly in pursuit of Peace.. Well Brother that’s my Problem… Believing in Quran is a pre requisite to Learn and Analyze it. When i dont do that for Veda why should i do it for Quran. Would you do the same for Vedas if i urge you to??? What if I find More Peace and Genuinely Soul satisfying peace from Vedas? and that too without harming or hurting anybody.. will Allah accept that?? and my brother when you said you can use logic and reasoning to prove anything right or wrong why resort to Blind belief??..
        I tell you.. you read Vedas and accept only that you find logical, reasonable and human friendly.. and reject everything that is Non sense.. and even if you reject Vedic lessons completely Ishvar will not punish you for that.. you will only get fruits for your actions nothing else… is it ok??

        5- No one is imagining anything.. people are only expressing their doubts.. whats wrong with that?? I dont see any need to change the whole configuration of website.. you can always invite Satyagni to have a discussion with you.. Meanwhile i seek your help to expel my doubts on Quran. hope you will help me.

        Dhanyavaad!!

      • @Atman,
        Thanks for your kinds words.
        I have already registered a lot of comments to answer “imaginations” of this whole website and also staying online to understand the truth.
        Discussions will become waste unless owners of this website, understand the views of others ,
        1. either agree the views or explanations and prepared to do necessary changes
        2. or if they disagree they need to take complete ownership of their words.
        Who will do that?
        Hope everyone may not be taking such responsibilities , others will try to behave as a roadsiders.
        Do you agree what I mean ?
        In case of Islam Quran , Sunnah , Hadith are the basic standards of the religion which never can be changed until the world ends , either one has to agree if he chooses to follow the religion or if he disagrees he has to leave the religion.
        The definition of religion is very clear it is divine acts
        So we can discuss Islam only within Quran (word of Allah) , Sunnah, or Hadith (words of Muhammad nabi) or with accepted interpretations of these basic standards at various situations or scenarios of the life and environments.
        No individual has the authority over the religion unless they conform to the standards of quran, sunnah or Hadith.
        Trying to distort divine codes are criminal acts you cannot bring here your freedom of speech or your intellectuality here…You think suppose if you make a website to give false images on Indian constitution or Indian acts or insult national symbols what the authorities will do with you?
        Good..as a outsiders of islamic faith you may get a lot of doubts, misunderstandings, distorted views..This is practical and natural…because you are looking with different spectacles.
        We Muslims are very happy that atleast you express your imaginations or doubts or fears…It is an good symptom….
        Muslims have taken a lot of efforts to explain all such fears or doubts you have…but you do not listen…
        Still you prefer to sleep with your imaginations, doubts and fears only…
        We request you to move ahead and read completely all basic standards of islam (Quran, Sunnah, Hadith), without this you will not get any answer….These books are openly available to you as books , you can reach very easily in this information world, in most of the common languages of the world….
        So first remove all your imagination which is not available in quran or Sunnah or Hadith..
        Example.,
        Grave worship – This is not supported by Quran or Sunnah or Hadith – So even muslims do this this is wrong.
        Doing injustice to others (like terrorism) – This is not supported by Quran or Sunnah or Hadith – So even muslims do this this is wrong.
        Superstitions among individual muslims – This is not supported by Quran or Sunnah or Hadith – So even muslims do this this is wrong.
        Malpractices, cheatings done by any individual muslims – This is not supported by Quran or Sunnah or Hadith – So even muslims do this this is wrong.
        All the muslims will agree if you give clear proof that any Muslim have done against their basic standards Quran or Sunnah or Hadith..Standard is clear in case of Islam..
        Can you tell me,
        Idol worshipping is accepted standard of Hinduism or not?
        Adultery (relation beyond marriage ) is the accepted standard of Hinduism or not?
        In which codes all these are clearly defined?
        In which standard of Hinduism it is told as polygamy is wrong?
        In which Veda it is told you have to follow only Human reason..no other reason must be used?
        What is wrong eating beef as per Human reasons or logics? If you say some logic not to eat , I will have some reasons to eat that?
        What is wrong in polygamy as per Human reasons or logics? One will choose it if it is good for him, it is his choice?
        You need to define first how you will choose to follow your human reasons or logics or mental desires or wishes to reach the truth…? Stealing is good for a theif..Corruption is justified by politicians..even all top most officials exposed themselves they are corrupt also justifies they are correct…? How you will unify all human reasons or logics..?
        Even if I will involve adultery I will justify it in that occasion because my reason accepted it is as correct..but someone else perceives as not correct, So human reasons never can be codified into single accepted rules, if it is not tamed it will corrupt the entire world… So we follow divine rules of the standards from quran which is explained in Sunnah and Hadith..This is sufficient for us…
        Ok your basic doubt..Aleef laam Meem..also similar words are prefixed in the start of every chapter of quran..Most of the scholars says it indicates start of a chapter…You can say it is Aleef Laam Meem chapter, but may enthusiastic given a lot of explanations in an acceptable ways also for human reasoning within the sunnah way..So general notion is complete meaning of these words and intention of keeping it is known to Allah only….Brother you move to next verse..
        which says like…
        Aleef Laam Meem
        This is a book….There is no doubt in it…
        This will guide those who will fear Allah or (Those who are conscious of Allah)..or God fearing or God conscious…
        If you are not a God conscious , God fearing person better do not expect God to guide you…better you choose your human reasons or mental desires until it takes you to disaster you experience…
        or if you feel good in reading other veda’s or bible then your understanding will be different as taught by those Vedas…Still you will follows those standards “blindly” equally “how you comment muslims follow quran blindly”..ultimately everyone takes some choices or paths…If you want to know the path of Islam, better you give some attention instead of wasting your time in criticizing thinking you may defeat islam..
        Request your introspections within you… Then we will discuss on two things
        1. What are all we agree and get along happily ? and
        2. What are all we disagree? for what reasons? also we will know how to get along in these matters until we wait for God’s justice between us….
        But you are confused never prepared to acknowledge many thing which we agreed like disagreeing on Idol worshipping , avatar etc., also we will understand the disagreements….
        Example , We say God created everything out of nothing..You say God can create anything out of something only..or something he has to spare from him to create..Yes this is the disagreement..I did not debate this with you., I said only do you sense there is “nothing” atleast we human able to perceive nothingness with our reasons , so it is possible for God to create something out of nothing…we may understand while we discuss..but can not conclude…
        But people you support behaves like defeating me an individual person, or use inappropriate , baseless languages or inappropriate way instead of understanding the spirit of discussion..but still I am online for those who want clarity on their genuine doubts…also you must also help yourself to promote your doubts or imaginations with solid evidences..
        .Thanks…

      • I must admit shaikh you have a lot of spare time at your disposal, which I so envy.

        Anyways, lets get down to the brass tacks of the job. I try to keep it as concise as possible trying not to eat up a lot of cyberspace.

        Idolatry is accepted in Hinduism simply for the fact that we will let people freely practice their faiths irrespective of whether it is rational or not. The best thing is to educate them and try and instill some sense into the nonsense that people indulge in, but in no way are we to hurt their feelings by trampling down on their beliefs. And by the way, the muslims will gleefully bring down the idols of the kafirs, but conspicuously enough desist from flattening the graves where misguided muslims go and pray, a classic case of hypocrisy.

        Adultery being acceptable in Hinduism, where did you come up with this bit of info? Now, this is purely a figment of your wild imaginations. I thought islam supported adultery by giving credence to practices such as sexual slavery, spoils of war (ghanimah), muta marriages, easy divorces.

        Just wanted to know as to why do the muslims not entertain pig meat. The usual answer that one encounters is that pig is a dirty animal. Now, my question is what if the pig has been reared in the most hygienic of conditions, will that render pork fit to be consumed?

        What is wrong with polyandry either?

        “Trying to distort divine codes are criminal acts you cannot bring here your freedom of speech or your intellectuality here.” What if I apply the same yardstick and say anybody who speaks ill of my faith is a blasphemer and should be killed? And since ZN did so, we demand death penalty for him, will that be okay with you?

      • @Shaik
        _______I have already registered a lot of comments to answer “imaginations” of this whole website _______
        At least we are not blind believer like you who believe:
        1.Idol of an idol worshipper spoke to Muhammad! It gave testimony of Muhammad’s prophethood to its worshipper and then he became Muslim!
        2. Allah turned many people into monkeys!
        3. Allah created she-camel from a stone!
        4. Muhammad healed burning of someone with his blessed saliva!
        5. One stone ran away taking clothes of Moses. This stone was hit by Moses with a stick and twelve waterfalls started from that stone!
        6 Muhammad flew to heavens riding on a flying donkey named Buraq to meet Allah and his previous messengers! (Shab e Miraj)
        7. Bunch of dates hanging on a tree came near Muhammad when he ordered and went away when asked for the same. This was to convince a disbeliever and then he became Muslim.
        8 Abraham killed a peacock, crow, cock and sparrow and kept their heads with him. Then he mixed their bodies and wings. Now when he called them, all the pieces went back and joined with each other to make these birds living again!
        9. A person who had died rose again to give testimony when he was hit by a piece of cow’s meat!
        10. Muhammad broke the moon into two!
        http://satyagni.com/5050/miracles-of-islam/

      • @SDC,
        Let us be concise and conscious.
        Idolatry and equally worshipping graves or worshipping any creations, worshipping any “hidden idols” like mental desires , ego , following vainful lusts, desires are prohibited for a Muslim.
        I agree with you Muslims should not be hypocritical.
        Sexual slavery or involving adultery with slaves or any other kindly of slavery or Mutah marriages, or easy divorces or any other adultery not permitted in Islam. Even a muslim involves in this is wrong. Islam advocates marrying only one and min four in case of justice can prevail if four women agree to live with a man. If any of them does not agree they have right to leave such person, no woman including his father can not compel a woman for marriage, free woman has a right to demand mountain amount of gold to own her or she can mutually agree with her spouse. Slave woman never can be forced for sexuality if she agrees she can marry her master. Marrying free woman needs consent of her father and agreement and dower to her. slave woman’s guardian is already the owners so the condition is her permission only. Specific rules for slaves exists in Islam because slavery was the part of society, slaves were generated across the world due to wars of kingdoms.
        Quran orders muslims to free their slaves or in case if they keep them they should honour all their human rights.
        Islam does not stop anyone practicising their own religion even idol worshipping, although it is said idol worshipping is non-sense, nowhere it is commanded to break some one’s idol or hurt them..Similarly Islam advices to resist if idol worshippers compels to worship any idols or any creations…We muslims express our rights to follow our standards freely..You must understand…
        You have published all what is not available in our standards or give false distorted ideas based on your reasoning..So I demand support from our standrads, so that I can clear my reasons..’Let us be honest in this approach”..Why I have to blame you what is not parts of yours?
        You can blame us like example “we are eating beef”, yes it is part of us, we can eat as per our standards or we can avoid as per our food requirements..but you force us not to eat because you consider it as God, but whole world eats your God happily, even Buddhists eat, why do you blame only muslims, so in this case you have carved your own nation…Muslims can not force you to eat beef because it is your faith..If any muslims forced then you can convict him..We have to understand this issue mutually with correct understanding..There are differences we need to acknowledge and understand each other for human rights…ZN may have said nothing wrong with eating beef, and eats happily as per his reason, have he anytime forced anyone to eat beef? This is where we fear each other, distrust or misunderstand or make miserable our life….
        You have every right to convict ZN as per our standards (Quran, Sunnah or Hadith)…He himself will obey to this if this was clearly explained to him. He says equally idol worshipping or grave worshipping or worshipping creations are wrong..
        But we muslims are not clear about your standards when some of you say eating beef is wrong many hindu brothers eat with us very happily..can you acknowledge? show them your standards or rules…Human reasons , intellectuality, mental desires can never be unified to make a single code of law.
        We know very well corruption is killing us, but all intellectuals do not know what to do?
        Each smoker knows smoking is poisonous but still his brain do not acknowledge whatever intellectual he may be…Great brainy persons surrenders to an idol which cannot answer him. So I look for an unified standard or code created or accepted by all based on human reasons or mental desires or intellectuality..
        Meanwhile pl learn to understand divine guidelines from quran or sunnah or Hadith..or you all join together study all your vedas and other Hindu standards, mix with human reasons give one “single code ” accepted by all Hindus and Hindu scholars then we will study that…
        blaming each other is waste of time and effort.
        .pl study correctly what islam says on what we have to “beleive” and what we have to follow. Thanks spend my time to create understanding with our brothers of India not conflicts again..because we need to make our nation great, you can not ignore any common muslim’s contribution or muslims surrounded you..or Allah our creator watching all of us how we do justice to each other…for this great effort I have spared little time to clarify you.

      • Besides being concise and conscious, let us also be courageous enough to be able to condemn all those customs that are corrupt and cleanse the society of them.

        The problem is you are adamantly refusing to accept the shortcomings of the quran. I can understand that you are embarrassed, but that does not mean you should shy away from the facts. The cold hard facts are for everyone to see and understand, but your indulgence in verbosity to cover the truth is a valiant attempt to salvage the situation. Anyways, I will not push any further. I have made my point. It seems you have your own version of the quran (very different from the one of mohammad) that you adhere to.

        “So I look for an unified standard or code created or accepted by all based on human reasons or mental desires or intellectuality.”

        What uniform code are you referring to? That if you do not believe in islam and/or muhammad, you will be put to death. That if you listen to music, or dance, or watch films/TV operas, etc., you are committing shirk, and will be put to death. That if you dare raise any question about the existence of allah, you will be put to death.

        “So I look for an unified standard or code created or accepted by all based on human reasons or mental desires or intellectuality.” So, you think all people should think the same way as you do. That they also feel the same emotions you do. That they should have the same IQ as you. How absurd is that! I feel you lost your mind reading a mindless piece of literature.

        “Allah our creator watching all of us how we do justice to each other” Let me vehemently put to you that the kind of allah that you speak of is definitely not my creator.

      • @SDC,
        Better spend more time in reading Quran and seeking answer very critically to it only..you will get answer..I was like you once…I can say you only that you are from meanings of Quran..better try with quran only deeply..It is upto you..I have made my point…better you listen to verses of quran recitation with meanings..this is my humble request to understand I am not blind..or deaf..

      • shaikh, you may not be blind or deaf, but you are indoctrinated over time. Open up, bro and don’t be a frog in the well.

      • @Shaikh
        ______spend more time in reading Quran and seeking answer very critically _______
        After reading Kuran verses I can say Allah is perfect, All-knowing, Absolute, & unchangeable &pure.
        so, on the basis of this I can say Allah never done any sin & never forced anybody to commit incest. In the inception of universe creates many pairs of men & Women. & Allah has never created any Shaitan but it is just ignorance of people.
        As per Kuran Allah in unchangeable & Perfect. So on this basis I can say this creation is not new/first for Allah. Allah had made infinite creations before this creation & All creations are same because Allah is perfect & perfect does not need to do any change.So, Allah was not sitting idly before this creation.

      • @TS
        Allah is perfect, All-knowing, Absolute, & unchangeable &pure
        but Jinns and humans which are all Allah’s creations created with attributes like sin, imperfectness, shortages,have weaker understanding about the creator, foolishness, perishable with time & destiny , will change with time. Pl check your heart & words and yourself is the evidence for this. Pl learn to acknowledge this…
        All the logics you perceive are created by Allah by which only you think..An object will fall down if it is dropped down from the height.This is the logic or rule in this earth..This logic or rule need not to be same in another planet, which is again based on some other physics rule…all the rules are subject to conditions and assumptions as per science, which is the proven logics of this earth…
        better learn correctly guidance, words of Allah correctly in quran and Sunnah, Hadith explained by last prophet of Allah, Md. Nabi (pbuh)..better do not repeat your logics and assumptions to me..unless you have correct understanding of quran or sunnah..Thanks

      • @SDC,
        I am not in indoctrinated over time,
        I did deep studies on various religions, philosophies, various assumptions of our creators, logics, science laws , sociology, psychology of humans with unbiased manner.
        Words of Allah in quran is the ultimate truth..Only you have to learn to clear your mental obstacles..
        You are a very reasonable, practical person guided your inner desires like enjoyments of this world which your body needs, justifies, but the worldly enjoyments will perish..This is not everlasting…May be you can take your share of worldly pleasures of this world..but it will not help to understand truth and wisdom of this life..so better go and read again Quran correctly instead of debating with me..Insha Allah , Allah may guide you as per your sincerity of reading…I will pray for you Allah to help you to know the truth…If Allah guides you remember me as a friend..
        I am not a frog in well as you think..you are still as a frog of this world..but Allah has shown to his greatness of his kingdom, sovereignty which can not be purchased by whole wealth or pleasure of this world.

      • @Shaikh
        You mean to say we should believe in books (Like Modern Kuran & Hadith) which demean Allah & Prophet.
        You mean to say
        We should believe It is Allah who did Kufra by creating Shaitain.
        It is Allah Who forced the people to commit incest.

        We should believe in a books which denigrate my beloved prophet by putting blame prophet did sex with a child & his daughter.

        We should believe in book which says Allah differentiate among the people & does not provide equal opportunity to realize Allah to all like Mohamad Ji.
        We should believe Allah depend on speaking to do the things just will of Allah not enough to happen the things.
        We should believe Allah depend on angles to impart his knowledge. By his power Allah can not create knowledge in heart of prophet/Yogi/devotee.
        We should believe Allah is worship desirous & just for not worshiping him, Allah sends the soul in eternal hell.
        We should believe Allah stopped to show kindness on Human that is why Allah stopped prophet’s sending to guide the people & people can not see miracles of prophet now because unchangeable Allah has changed his rule.

        If you think like this you are Kaffir & traitor of my beloved Islam who demeaning Islam.

      • Thanks for your kind words, mate (that I am reasonable and practical in my approach, which I am). Well bro, to start with the worldly and sensual pleasures (that you seem to so despise for reasons I do not not because Mohammad himself was fond of them, in fact, he even went out of line when he validated practices such as sexual slavery, multiple wives, and even talked of beautiful houris of heaven) seem more real to me than the Allah you speak of. I have not seen God, verily, but I believe in 1 (Mind it! ‘Rajnikanth style’, that I only believe in 1 God). I am not sure if there is one or not for a certainty. Probably, you have been able to establish a hotline via Mohammad and Co who seem to be your service provider (pardon the sarcasm).

  9. @ Hindu and Muslin brothers
    1-Hindu is one who love GOD,not feared by him.
    2-Hindu believes GOD is one and is omnipresent,Everything is manifestation of the GOD.
    3-Hindu follows ‘THE VEDIC’ teachings.’THE VEDAS’ are collection of books written by various saints of different generations in Vedic era.
    4-Hindu respects his religion and methods and at the same time believes in co-existence of various methods for realization of GOD, thus Various religions.
    5- Hindu never tried to spread there religion Moreover, taught THE TRUTH to Whole world by intellectual debates and lectures.
    6-Hindu believe never to accept anything illogical,he rejects everything that is illogical.He rejected the method of realizing god by pseudo priests and returned to ‘THE VEDAS’.He revived social systems continuously and always remained open to new IDEAS.
    7-Hindu has a heart of Buddha (symbol of love,peace,universal tolerance) ,Intellect of Adi SHANKARACHARYA and strength of RAMA.
    8-Hindu constantly persevere to realize GOD in him(Atman).
    9-Hinduism is mother of all religions.A religion of Yesterday,Today and Tomorrow

  11. Two world wars passed India by, allowing India to profit economically and politically, and weakening her colonial oppressor to the extent that he washed his hands off her and quit. The secession of Pakistan could not be prevented (and again Hindus didn’t try very hard), but the real Pakistan was much smaller and weaker than the one planned by its founder M.A. Jinnah. Moreover, the Partition turned out to be a blessing in disguise, dividing and demoralizing the Muslim community, giving Hindus a breather in remainder-India. The Chinese invaded and were in a position to occupy the whole Northeast, but somehow they decided to withdraw. Without Hindu intervention, the Bengalis rose up and partitioned Pakistan in 1971 (with just a little help from India in the final stage). Just recently, in the autumn of 2001, a Western intervention in Afghanistan greatly weakened Pakistan and clipped its potential for fomenting terrorism.

    Given the clumsy performance of Indian governments and the Hindutva leadership, it is a miracle that there are any Hindus left at all. But somehow, without doing much, the Hindus or their Gods seem to get things done.

    In this case too, Hindus don’t have to do very much. Preaching to the minorities of how Hindu they really are, will work only with the already-convinced, and may even be counterproductive. Instead, at the practical level, Hindus may explore the common ground with these borderline-Hindu communities, these “prodigal daughters”, simply by doing things together. No matter if neo-Buddhists disown Hinduism but sit down to practise the Buddha’s spiritual discipline; let Hindus sit down beside them and also practise what the Buddha taught. No matter if Sikhs refuse to visit non-Sikh Vaishnava shrines, Hindus will continue to visit Sikh Vaishnava shrines, and likewise to offer worship at the Mahabodhi temple, etc. Let the others call these places non-Hindu all they want; Hindus may claim them as their own simply by paying respect to them. Daughters may try to break away from their mother, but a mother cannot disown her daughters

    Who is a Hindu? Hindu Revivalist Views of Animism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Other Offshoots of Hinduism By Koenraad Elst,Voice of India, New Delhi

  12. @shaikh:

    I am not in indoctrinated over time,

    As a Muslim, how could you NOT be indoctrinated?! To be a Muslim means you take a categorical stance against the Big Bang and evolution – EVEN WITHOUT READING UP ON THESE ISSUES!!!

    There is no scope for healthy skepticism/agnosticism within Islam. These are the sure signs of indoctrination.

    • I wonder only how you all get all such misconceptions about quran or Sunnah of Nabi, also you keep on repeating the same..I think some people paid and programmed you for such things..but whatever you say are all “LIES” about islam…you never turn into evidences , only bluff your imaginations purposely….Hope you are paid and brainwashed peoples…I will start ignoring you if any can not come out with supportive evidences for your “LIES”….on Islam…

      • @shaikh

        We are probably paid by Jew Mossad, Hindu RAW, and Christian CIA against the religion of peace. Islamic expert and commander in chief of Ghazwa e Hind team Zaid Hamid in Pakistan also has the same view.

        But can you tell us who indoctrinated Mossad, RAW, and CIA? And who indoctrinated angel/Jinn Iblis who later turned into Satan by rebelling against Allah? There was no RAW or Mossad that time I guess 🙁

      • @shaikh:

        you never turn into evidences , only bluff your imaginations purposely

        What? You had mentioned this:

        I did deep studies on various religions, philosophies, various assumptions of our creators, logics, science laws , sociology, psychology of humans with unbiased manner.
        Words of Allah in quran is the ultimate truth..Only you have to learn to clear your mental obstacles..

        Based on these deep studies, I am asking you whether you have an open mind on evolution, big bang, big crunch, multiverse theory, etc. etc. ? Which scientific laws/theories are compatible with the Quran? Which of these theories are outright WRONG?

    • @Shaikh

      brother, can you tell me one logical reason to follow islam????

      answer two of my contradictions below>

      1)If muslims condemn shirk on one side, then why do they have to believe in Mohammad along Allah??

      2)If muslims condemn idolatry, then why did Allah order you to associate an idol called the kaaba in your prayers???

      Do you have any logical explanations for any of these??? I am not asking for any evidence, just pure rationality.

      PS: there are many other things in islam, but for the time being, I request you to answer these two contradictions.

      • @Vik/ Vajra / KB
        You keep on adding imaginations, assumptions which becomes lies on your Part..
        —–If muslims condemn shirk on one side, then why do they have to believe in Mohammad along Allah??—-
        Which muslim worship Mohamed along with Allah?
        Where it is ordered in Quran to worship Mohamed Nabi along with Allah ?
        —-If muslims condemn idolatry, then why did Allah order you to associate an idol called the kaaba in your prayers???—-
        Which muslim worship Kabaa along with Allah?
        Where it is ordered in Quran to worship Kabaa along with Allah ?
        What is the logical explanation required here? You have raised your imagination and you have to provide evidence…
        Definitely Allah created a lot of people destined to go for hellfire? why do you want to be in that list? Allah destined Satan to be hellfire, because of his arrogance and superiority feelings…I am helping you to think about your final destiny…Do not act like paid people…you think..
        You tell your imaginations about islam also provide supportive evidence from quran , sunnah or Hadith..
        “If you are impotent” to do this do not try to pile up your imaginations, already I have already studied all your imaginations….
        —-I am asking you whether you have an open mind on evolution, big bang, big crunch, multiverse theory, etc. etc. ? Which scientific laws/theories are compatible with the Quran?—–
        Can you tell me one proven science theory and a quranic verse to make me understand how both are contradictory? I have already told that you must know science is recording of evidences, observations with certain assumed conditions or environments..It is good, unbiased exploration of human but not an ultimate, still quranic verses remains challange to science…Science can benefit lot from quran…
        YOU ARE SIMPLY “IMPOTENT” TO PROVIDE EVIDENCES FOR YOUR LIES FROM QURAN, SUNNAH or HADITHS..WHEN YOU SHOW THIS I WILL BE OPEN TO LOOK INTO IT TO CHECK WITH HOW MUCH YOU HAVE READING CAPABILITY IN ARABIC OR TRANSLATION or HOW YOU ARE ABLE TO ASSIMILATE DIFFERENT VERSES TO GET A CORRECT MEANING..until then it is waste to discuss with you..

      • @shaikh:

        Can you tell me one proven science theory and a quranic verse to make me understand how both are contradictory?

        You were the one that said

        I did deep studies on various religions, philosophies, various assumptions of our creators, logics, science laws , sociology, psychology of humans with unbiased manner.
        Words of Allah in quran is the ultimate truth..Only you have to learn to clear your mental obstacles..

        Do you believe as ZN claims, the Big Bang and the Quran are compatible?

      • @Shaikh

        “Which muslim worship Mohamed along with Allah?”

        Recite the kalima, and tell me why do I have to say the last part which is “mohammad rasool allah”?

        I am ok with Allah, but every day, why do I have to recite the name Mohammad?

        “Which muslim worship Kabaa along with Allah”

        You are ordered to BOW towards the Kaaba, which is hence, idol worship. So u are using a murthi to worship Allah……………….Can you worship Allah by removing the Kaaba from Mecca?????

      • @Shaikh/Vik

        Brothers, If I bow head before Shiva stone(Shivling etc) I will be idol worshiper but If I bow head before Kaba stone why I am not idol worshiper?

      • @Truth Seeker and Shaik

        And if muslims as per Zakir Naik can stand on the kaaba and not be idolators, then why are hindus idolators when they immerse their idols in water??? Can a muslim throw the kaaba in water?

      • Nowhere in Quran Allah ordered human to worship kaaba, as a “reality” even any particular direction has no sense to worship the creator. This is clearly explained by Allah in quran which you were not aware of because of your “weak knowledge” of quran. Kabaa is the first masjid (place of assembly to worship God) built in the world. Earlier Muslims were praying inside this masjid. Due to restriction of space people pray outside the masjid. Also all the masjids around the world built around the original masjid kabaa in a circle.It is a symbol of unity and uniformity. You may think why India need an Parlimentary building? Why all the state has Legislative assemblies? Why every Taluk has Administrative office…Kabaa’s significance is like a Parlimentary or Senate building…
        If I ask why Member of Parliaments can discuss government issues in some streets of delhi or under TajMahal or under some himalyan hills? You ask such questions…Kabaa is a building or Masjid with “central importance”…Kabaa does not have any power to do harm or good to anyone…Muslims do not take “kaabaa” with them in any Urchavas or Processions like how you do with Murthis….Even some period of time “Jeruselem masjid” was center of prayer for muslims in accordance with Jews…. for the sake of arguments even muslims do not face towards kaaba during prayer obviously they will be facing something..some walls, trees, or curtains or whatever before them naturally..Then still you will try to claim muslims are praying something….This is your mental block. Even you will try to prove kaaba is similar to idol with your “logics” , it is more meaningful for me as a unified center for all humanity decided by Allah…But in your case you make multiple Ganesas, take it around the streets to sell your divine concepts, you do not know where to keep it (inventory issues), then drop inside some dirty water…Even as a muslim I am not happy how much insult you do to your Gods..better you keep one single Ganesa in somewhere in Bombay or delhi..and respect correctly..if you believe it is your God…Still you find difficult to unify Hindus under one God.Even rationally Islam is much refined than all you have mentioned…But every muslim knows very well he only worship Allah who is not seen by any of them although they face towards kabaa as per Allah’s commands..Brothers pl think it will take long time for you to unite entire world which was acheived by Mohamed Nabi and his followers…but you will simply divert into polygamy aspects….or practice of some deviants actions done in the name of Islam…

      • @SDC
        —-Do you believe as ZN claims, the Big Bang and the Quran are compatible?—–
        Pl share me Allah’s words in Quran for how he created worlds or did creations?
        I fully “believe” in it about the words of the creator in quran, the explanation of it will go until world ends..Allah has the complete knowledge of the creations.
        What science says about creations? Big Bang or any other theories?
        I appreciate sincere efforts of our scientists trying to explore the wonders of the world unbiased way. Even no scientists accepted that their knowledge of the world is complete. They just used whatever fraction of knowledge given to them by God..
        How ZN claims?
        I do not know what ZN claims, it may be correct or may not be correct..I do not accept that even scientists has complete knowledge of creations, how such incomplete knowledge will be compatible with words of Allah..May be he is trying certain analogies with good intentions..As per me ZN has certain good intention by using logics and human reasons, but I do not personally agree with him in this regards..I prefer willing people directly read islamic sources of knowledge like quran, sunnah methods/ manhaj, Hadith, and leave the choices to them to either accept or reject it. Rationality, wishes, mental desires, philosophies, debates will lead to wrong directions as per ego needs of the parties involved..I fully agree ZNs good intentions but do not fully confirm his methods because Prophet Muhammad (sal) did not enter into “such detailed debates “like ZN using some one’s Vedas. Even in an occasion prophet did not recommend to refer Torah or Injeel and confuse our self..debates came later due to the interaction with Christians and Jews. In continuance of this Hindu Vedic team also started debating…My suggestion is better involve reading quranic verses directly and understand correctly with Sunnah, Hadith and with correct thought process…Personally I do not fully agree with all the methods of ZN because Truth of Islam cannot be “fully” understood or exported by “ratioanal, logical debates” or “comparing Vedas” or “Comparing each other”..but if this happens positively better understanding and knowledge will happen as we dissect different concepts, if it goes negatively it will end in ego conflicts, mutual arguments, fault findings this is not thought by our prophet..I prefer “comparatively” approach of Sri Sri Ravishankar’s “way of conveying message” but do not confirm his “concepts of God”, because he straightaway says what he beleives…..I do not know why ZN do not take such approach of conveying the truth in straight forward manner whether the receiver accepts or not…You may send my words to ZN so that he may think and answer us…As we change our approach we will stop debating and better understand each other’s agreements , disagreements and contradicts…will see each other with correct perspective…As per me there are only two religions in the world Islam and Hinduism (idolatory), all other religions are compromises….People mixed idolatory with Islam so Jewism and christianity , Bahaii, Ahamdiaya came…Some other people mixed Hinduism with Islam so sikkism and others “isms” came…I preferred Islam than Hinduism…but all Vedic answers are mixed theories…Brother SDC Hope you will consider my thoughts and intentions positively….

      • Namaste Shaikh

        ———I appreciate sincere efforts of our scientists trying to explore the wonders of the world unbiased way.———-

        So dont you feel shame for Muslim friends who never try to explore wonders because they believe they are some superior species than scientists for possessing the TRUTH of Islam?

        ———- Even no scientists accepted that their knowledge of the world is complete.——–

        But you think that your understanding about divinity of Quran is complete and perfect. Thus you are unscientific.

        ———I do not know what ZN claims,——–

        He claims that an apostate must be killed and every non Muslim will go to hell. He claimed that Teresa would go to hell. So he thinks of him as messenger of Allah that decides who is Muslim and who is not. Please condemn his intolerant and illogical views.

        ——-I do not accept that even scientists has complete knowledge of creations, how such incomplete knowledge will be compatible with words of Allah.———

        And I dont accept that you have complete knowledge of divinity of books, then how such incomplete knowledge can decide which is Allah’s word and which is Satan’s?

        ——–As per me ZN has certain good intention by using logics and human reasons,——–

        Any logic behind apostate killing and ban on preaching of other religions other than 2+2=4?

        ———As per me there are only two religions in the world Islam and Hinduism (idolatory),———

        As per me there is only one religion Hindu. I dont consider Islam (idolatry+human worship+peer worship+grave worship+other worships) to be any religion. You cease to be Muslim if you believe in Allah but deny Muhammad. But you can be Hindu if you believe in Allah but deny every other. This is how Hindu Dharma is monotheistic and Islam polytheistic.

        ——-Some other people mixed Hinduism with Islam so sikkism——-

        Any proofs?

        ——–I preferred Islam than Hinduism…——-

        When were you (your ancestors) given choice? This can open your eyes.

        http://satyagni.com/5258/who-are-indian-muslims/

        ——–but all Vedic answers are mixed theories——–

        You dont know any Vedic theory so dont comment on it.

      • shaikh

        ——-I appreciate sincere efforts of our scientists trying to explore the wonders of the world unbiased way. ——–

        Also I wanted to know what will happen to those scientists who could not accept Islam because they, after their UNBIASED studies, found Islam to be inappropriate for humanity. Will they be in heaven or hell for their truthfulness? What options any Muslim scientist in Saudi Arabia has if he also concluded in unbiased manner that Islam is not logical?

      • @Vajra,
        This is my personal view that we Muslims have to take direct responsibility to provide “justice” and “peace and harmony” to the world..because of simple reason we have knowledge and wisdom of words of Allah…
        To achieve this extremisms, submissive, hypocritical approaches, deviant methods will not help any muslims…or anymore
        I accept there are political issues which lead Muslims to take wrong decisions, blunders by which even whole muslim community did not benefit even religiously or in worldly affairs..
        Muslims did not grip to words of Allah, divided themselves from the methods of prophet, started blaming Christians, Jews, Hindus instead of introspection of themselves for political and conceptual deviations…
        This is the core truth we muslims struggle to convey the core truth explained in quran or sunnah / Hadith.
        Muslims today have been trapped to fight for their justice or rights or share of our world than working for life in hereafter…
        This world is the paradise for those people “who do not want share in next life” It is my personal view that why we have to destroy some one’s paradise in this world…? Yes there are mistakes or miscalculations by recent century muslims…each muslim or each muslim organisation or sect may have his own justification for their action..but we all have to align to words of Allah than we perish for not promoting good and stop evils in this world…Islam is not against any human it is against shaitan which deviates all human brothers and sisters from blessing of our creator….
        We muslims have to take direct responsibility for the mistakes and blunders going on today for not taking correct leadership….If you think if my words are correct you may support by taking secondary responsibility to save this world instead of only blaming muslims…because world cannot simply ignore muslims for its betterment which can not be exploited for political purposes…Hope you will consider my words ..Pl read all my posts in which I shared my views…

      • @Vajra,
        As per words of Allah in Quran whoever worships any creations other than Allah will enter hellfire. If some scientists tried to explore the creator through scientific invention or through some human logic, in any case passed his life also did not worship anyone, his destiny and judgment is with Allah. Judgment is with Allah, no human can assume this. This is the message of Mohammed Nabi..He denied idol worship, self worship, hero worship, royal worship, worship of creations, grave worship, peer worship, priest worship…As per my knowledge except Mohammed Nabi everyone become God for their followers…Mohamed Nabi remains messenger and prophet of Allah, guide, role model, teacher, guru, friend of us….His message is ” There is no God except Allah”..Muhammad Nabi only a role model who successfully conveyed the basic truth “There is no God except Allah”..so second condition of saying “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” supports ” There is no God except Allah”
        for example take christianity we muslims already can say ” There is no God except Allah, Jesus Christ is the messenger of Allah…but christians will not accept second condition because they say “There is no God except Allah also Jesus is son of Allah or Allah itself..(This is the faith of Allah)….Here second statement negates first statement….in case of “Hindu monotheists” like you , You may accept that “There is no God except Allah” but all general mass considers second condition that ” also all the creations are God or divine nature or Avatar of God”..although ” you deny this second statement…we do not what is your guide or who is guide? Is your mind only guides you? Nice, but Muhammad Nabi whole struggle was to establish ” There is no God except Allah” we do not have any problem for accepting second condition ” Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” which never contradict with the first condition of faith…Mainly you deny Muhammad Nabi for simple reasons like he is not Indian, he is arab or he is not Jew or he married many women, you suspect value and integrity of prophet hood for this reason reason, or you suspect quran or you have inadequate knowledge or message of Islam, or you do not agree arabs have culture like indians or such mental obstacles..We are happy that you agree with us against idol worship, worship of any creations or worship of peers or grave worship or self worship etc., When you take this basic message to people of India, Islam will truly flourish in India..People will definitely start choosing Islam when you will actually start preaching your message to people…That is the reason you are afraid of Islam, a close rival , so started throwing mud on it, so you happily started exposing yourself and islam to people of india..Thanks.
        .”If you are so honest why you can not take your Monotheistic Hindu religion to people without blaming Islam? Reason is simple,
        if you show you are opposing Islam, people may turn fast toward you, also they may turn fast towards Islam..It is a good trend…This is my simple analysis and views….pl read quran, sunnah and Hadith with correct thought process with scholarly support.
        —-You dont know any Vedic theory so dont comment on it—
        The above words are yours..so keep respect that words..until you understand quran or sunnah or Hadith or Islam pl ” dont comment on it”..so never pretend as if you have complete knowledge of quran…Pl take it with good sprit, my aim is not to debate with you only sending my views as a friend, so pl do not send comments for my specific words..Pl understand fully what I am trying to convey fully..
        better do not take double standards like I do not agree idol worship but still I will worship idols….You stop people worshipping idols, you start your movement instead of writing on to the website..then you will understand the mission of Md. Nabi truly…

  13. @shaikh:

    Prophet Muhammad (sal) did not enter into “such detailed debates “

    Mo also didnt eat water melons and get his teeth cavities fixed. He also forbade you from playing backgammon or chess.

    Rationality, wishes, mental desires, philosophies, debates will lead to wrong directions as per ego needs of the parties involved

    In any case, you still didnt answer my question about Big Bang in the Quran. You had earlier said:

    I did deep studies on various religions, philosophies, various assumptions of our creators, logics, science laws , sociology, psychology of humans with unbiased manner. Words of Allah in quran is the ultimate truth.

    Do you want to take back such statements where you proclaim without proof [and you are possibly lying] that you know various religions, philosophies, assumptions, logics, science, sociology and psychology?

    You clearly are ignorant of these and you probably arent the brightest bulb in the lot.

    • @KB,
      Everything answered to you, you did not tell me what is big bang? If I start explaining you “big bang” …you may talk about some Chinese circus…I carefully explained you deepness of words of Allah, limitations of whatever scientists may perceive or conclude or what in general people will correlate between Vedic verses and scientific assumptions..There will be gaps always…so I did not recommend to prove Islam with sciences or rationality..although to an extent it may be applicable..read my words I completely answered..to all such scientific ..Vedic …correlation you may start “feel debating” or “feeling your greatness of proving me wrong”…! If you have true interest spend more time in understanding verses of quran and physics, science, mathematics..etc., by debating with some one or criticising with anyone you can not gain any truth…or You say first..what is the quranic verse of your interest…
      then you say what scientific theory you have taken..then what ZN told….If you want to prove ZN is wrong…you go and debate with him..he is always available for public debates…make conditions and appointments with him…I told very clearly his intention is good but personally “I” shaikh do not conform his approach or anyone’s approach of mixing quranic verse with science or correlating Quranic verses with Hindu Vedas..I recommend you to read quranic verses uniquely…if you agree..take it..if you do not agree leave it ..wait for God’s judgement…What is the use for you by using sarcasm against any muslims? I think you will feel great..until someone break your teeth for your sarcasm…discuss in a civilised manner when you share your faith….if your interest is only making sarcasm..pl do not write to me..or anyone

      • shaikh

        You are contradicting your prophet now. You are debating here against Muhammad’s will. Make sure that you dont pay for it on judgment night

      • Now shaikh will blabber ‘i told very clearly muhammed intention is good but personally “I” shaikh do not conform his approach’

      • @shaikh:

        Did you “did deep studies on various religions, philosophies, various assumptions of our creators, logics, science laws , sociology, psychology of humans with unbiased manner (sic)”?

        If yes, what do YOU know of the Big Bang?

        Dont keep asking me dude…You claim to have done deep studies, rite?

        Sarcasm is the only thing that can get to blind folks like you. You obviously are clueless about logic. If you dont want rational debate, but insist on posting here, may I ask WHAT your intentions are?

      • @KB,
        Why you do not first accept that your basic intention of creating this website is checking rationality or logical power of billions of “followers of Islam”?
        As per your” common sense” you have already decided that billions of Muslims across the different nations and different cultures do not have rationality or logical mind….
        And you are struggling to remove such clutches made by power of quran…by your great “so called rationality”.
        This itself proves that quran has much powerful divine wisdom but you never want to enter into that..This is your basic fear…
        This is something like when you have been told to shoot your enemies you have been shooting your own family and brothers…I have decently indicated you that I am not following Islam blindly when you have targeted I was a blind follower. I told you that equally I know logics and sciences like you, still I understand quranic words are much powerful than my own logics….You can not understand this without entering into quranic verses deeply…
        I told very clearly If I use only logic or rational power or seeking direct evidences then I will choose to become a “Atheist”- ” denier of God”
        ——Sarcasm is the only thing that can get to blind folks like you. —–
        Sarcasm is always used for destructive purposes, used for psychological emotional attack of individuals..People who use it without any justification is always “low minded” people. You have never conveyed any greater truth to me by your sarcasms and never going to convey any truth..I will ignore all your sarcasm but I can not see any message through your sarcasms..than you try to claim that you are a great intelligent person of the world “by making others into fool”..This is the simple technique you have used to brainwash Indians and dominate them just by your dirty mouths..As per me you do not have any basic standards or basic rationality or basic humanity…Only you fear you may loose your base, so your fear complex drives you to generate “lies” on Islam and muslims…But muslims were sleeping now they will raise up to answer you..take truth of Islam , message of quran and Sunnah or Hadith every corner of India to the people who will think….It is you helping Islam to grow, but I have sympathy on you that you have not yet captured greater divine wisdom….
        —-If you dont want rational debate, but insist on posting here, may I ask WHAT your intentions are?—-
        That is the simple sympathy on you that whoever works against wisdom of Allah will ruin, you have not yet captured by your “rationality” or “logics”…We muslims convey this simple message only, wisdom is with Allah…You are also our brothers, Allah has more mercy on you, You may also start feeling wisdom of Allah , power of quran. I referred most of this website points you have always feared to enter into quranic verses or Islamic sources of knowledge..My main intention is to highlight this only now..When you may debate with Islamic scholars you will be simply ignored for this core reasons…Even legally you will not have any base unless you produce solid evidence…My message is very simple better gain more indepth knowledge of quran..everywhere I see you have written mistakes, wrong quotes, lies , assumptions, sarcasms, illogical criticisms…As a good friend i highlighted this to you, no big intention to me…I am a reader of unbiased enthusiastics…
        How I can accept you have some rationality when you generate basic lies on quran or sunnah or Hadith when basic books are open to whole world?
        Ok, for the sake of argument or to make you happy, I will accept you are the most intelligent species
        in the world..because we are already blind folk as per you..can you answer me,
        Do you know what was the size or dimension of the matter which was existed before big bang as per scientists?
        Do you know what was the time estimated by scientists for big bang to happen?
        Was time started when big bang started? who recorded that time? How it was recorded?
        Do scientists acknowledges that some God involved in creating big bang? Have they discovered it?
        How scientists can understand some big bang may have happened billions of year which they discover after many year…which you believe in scientist only..because you have never verified their records? May be they use better tools to convince..still it may be partially wrong (means do not have complete knowledge of what happened during or before creation)

      • @Shaikh
        ________I carefully explained you deepness of words of Allah, limitations________
        What are your views on these:-
        1. Allah is limited entity just contain to 7th Sky.
        2. Allah need to speak (to be /Kun) to create the universe Just will of Allah not enough like Vedic God to create the universe.
        3. Allah by his power can not create knowledge in the heart of prophets like Vedic Allah do. Modern
        Kuran Allah depends on angles to impart knowledge.
        4. Kuran Allah can not create many pair of men & women in inception of universe like Vedic
        Allah/Aum do. & due to Kuran Allah’s incapability people involved in incest.
        5. What a Nonsense shahada “There is no God except Allah”. Is Khuda not God? Why not
        say Khuda/Allah/God/Aum is one who is base of all lives in universe.
        6. Kuran Allah is changeable. He decided to create me just 25 years ago since infinity, there was
        no existence of me before 25 years ago & Allah also unaware of me. But there is
        nothing new for unchangeable Vedic Allah/God/Aum.
        7. What would you say to such Allah who sends the people in hell just for not worshiping him?

        Brother, I want you just start to apply some wisdom, Allah has given you, do not believe blindly in any book. & start to think deeply/logically.
        & please reply me point to point & do not write irrelevant.

      • @TS,
        already I have declined to answer you because of your sarcastic, indecent comment while discussing in a civilized way. Pl do not expect any discussion from me unless you ask apology and get back your words and promise a civilised way of discussion..do not envy when I discuss with some one..If you want to discuss you can decide to discuss or cease to discuss..better you read quran and tell me why you get such doubts which is not available in the quranic verses..??
        I can ask you many questions like you..
        simple question you answer me?
        what is you memory capacity of your brain? Pls answer in GBs..because you are more enlightened by your brain? Then I need to check with you about your basic standards? after verifying all these I will answer your questions..because you try to involve in uncivilized replies than discussing a concept..sorry let us keep away for some time. I have already registered all my points here for all of your notice..final answer is quran, sunnah, Hadith books only..better read directly…either you may reject..or accept..it is your wish…I can not give my own answer out of quran, sunnah, Hadith in the name of Islam. So you also prefer to filter your questions which is not available or supported by quran, sunnah , Hadith…learn to become honest…mostly check relevance of your questions, still we are in India, under your rule, now not ruled by arabs..still we have some common sense why we follow Islam? You say arabs converted Indians into muslims forcefully..but you will find very difficult to convert muslims into hindus they may come under your control…then you will understand all your basic arguments are wrong…God willing you may also understand power of Islam..it is only matter of time..let us not waste our time by empty discussions..take care brother…

      • @shaikh
        Not me it is you who need to ask apology for your misconception regarding prophet Mohamad. How dare u think Mohamad did sex with a child & with his daughter? How dare you think Mohamad was a lustful person who did sex with prisoner women? How dare u think Mohamad made women sex slaves? How dare u think it is Allah who forced the people to commit incest? How dare u think Allah is just confined to 7th sky? How dare u think great legend /yogi like Mohamad was seeking pleasure in sex even after realization of Allah. As per Veda after realization of Allah there remains nothing to be achieved & not a pleasure bigger than realization of Allah. You cannot demean True Islam & I will not get you success in your Satanic mission.
        I advise you to Tauba immediately & secure heaven yourself. Allah is most merciful.

        http://satyagni.com/1624/islam-the-fastest-growing-religion/#comment-16291

      • @TS,

        Do not send your mad queries to me without any evidence..no muslim beleive like what you say..or you have to show specific evidences or proofs from quran, sunnah or hadith..If not all words are noted in the court of Allah..for judgement…we muslims are free from all such words you commit..Do not behave in mad way repeating such queries…You will not get answer from me or from any muslims..You need to check what you think…purify your corrupt thinkings..Pl do not reply to me further….Wait for Judgement of Allah…

        We muslims have correct understanding of Allah and beloved Muhammad (sal)..do not try to twist, distort, give wrong pictures before world…do not repeat again already we have discussed a lot….If you are truthful you appear before a court of law international or Indian..muslims and unbaised hindu judges will answer for your words are correct or not..we can not debate this matter mutually…Even we can place very good Hindu scholars for judging your words…or kind of words like you..as per me you are a liar..evil..shaitan…

      • @shaikh
        1 So, you are agree Allah created many pairs of men & women in the inception of universe & give all kind of knowledge. So question of incest does not arise. If you think like this you are in the line of Veda. Congratulation!
        2. So, You are agree process of making creation & its destruction eternal & everlasting & unchangeable law of Allah.
        3. So, you agree Allah no need to speak ( kun/to be) to do the things just will of Allah enough to create the universe.
        4. So, you are agree Mohamad never married with his daughter & with any child & he never made any women sex slave or prisoner..
        Congratulation you are in line of Veda.

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