If someone is to ask Satyagni what has been the greatest episode of Hindu-Muslim solidarity ever, the reply would be unambiguous and clear.
Now I am not a professional historian like Romila Thapar or DN Jha. I am also not an eye-witness to the centuries of invasions of India by lovers of art like Muhammad bin Qasim, Ghori, Ghazni, Allauddin Khilji, Mughals and Nadir Shah to name a few. So I may not have full details of all the episodes and examples of Hindu-Muslim solidarity that have happened in last 1400 years of emergence of Islam.
Thus I would also not get into the debate of whether Islam was spread in India through sword as alleged by Hindu ‘fundamentalists’ or through artistic performances of tribal invaders of West Asia as claimed by Zakir Naiks and ‘secular’ historians of JNU.
But I simply cannot recall anything that can surpass this event as the most exemplary episode of Hindu-Muslim solidarity. Do not be surprised. I am referring to the destruction of Babri Masjid on the auspicious day of 6th December 1992.
This was the grand day when thousands of noble hearted patriotic Hindus demolished the structure which has been the greatest insult for Bharat and Islam for centuries. They did this at the cost of a torturous trial in courts for ages, condemnation from entire media mafia that rules this country and political/social/cultural victimization. But regardless of all these perils ahead, they went forth and destroyed the stigma that should have been destroyed by Muslims long ago.
I would appeal to the government to officially declare 6th December as Hindu-Muslim Unity Day or Day of Pride or Bravery Day.
Wait…wait…wait! Some of you may be thinking that Satyagni has gone mad or devilish to proclaim destruction of a place of worship of Islam by Hindus as a day of Hindu-Muslim solidarity! You may be demanding explanations for such a seemingly preposterous statement. That is coming. Read on.
I will not get into the debate of whether a Ram Mandir actually existed on the spot of Babri Masjid.
I will also not debate whether Sri Ram – the greatest icon for entire humanity – was actually born here or somewhere else.
I will also not argue if a Ram Mandir should be constructed here or a hospital should be made as suggested by many intellectuals.
These are points which are completely irrelevant to this issue. Unfortunately these have been the points over which time has been wasted for years and they still continue to be in prime focus.
The bottom-line however is that even if one proves that there was no Mandir on this spot or Ram took birth in some other country, still Babri Masjid would have deserved outright destruction the moment India got independence. Kar Sewaks merely did the work that government should have done 45 years ago.
And the reason is that Babri Masjid is NOT a masjid or mosque in first place. Because Babur was not a Muslim in first place. He would long have been stoned to death if he were to live today in any Muslim country!
In reality, Babur was a disgrace in name of Islam. To know Babur better, let us not depend on claims of Hindu ‘fundamentalists’ or biased ‘right-winged’ historians. Let us instead hear from the horse’s mouth. Let us review the autobiography of Babur – Baburnama – which is available in all prominent languages.
For purpose of this article, we shall refer to the English translation by Annette Susannah Beveridge published in 1922. This translation was done directly from whatever portions of original Turkish manuscript were available. These suffice to establish the true character of Babur. You can download a scanned copy from http://www.archive.org/details/baburnama017152mbp
Babur – the homosexual drunkard child molester
The autobiography clearly establishes Babur as a compulsive homosexual child molester. So those defending Babri Masjid should first clearly explain if Islam justifies homosexuality and child-molestation. If not, Babur was a disgrace in name of Islam and hence any structure constructed by him is also a disgrace in name of Islam.
1. In Page 120-121 of the biography he says that he was not much interested in his wife but was maddened by a boy named Babri. He confesses that he had not loved anyone like he was mad for this boy. He used to compose verses in love of the boy. For example: “There has been no lover except me who is so sad, passionate and insulted. And there is no one more cruel and wretched than my lover!”
2. He says that Babri used to come ‘close’ to him and that used to make Babur so excited that he could not even utter a word. Because of being intoxicated, he could not even thank Babri for his show of love.
3. Once Babur was roaming with his friends when Babri came in front of him in a lane. Babur had loss of speech and could not even look at him due to excitement. He narrated:”I get embarrassed looking at my lover. My friends leer at me and I leer someone else.”
4. He admits that in passion and desire of youth, he got mad and used to roam around naked head and naked foot without even looking at anything else.
5. He writes, ”I used to get mad in excitement and passion. I could not think that lovers have to face this. I could not go away from you, nor can I stay with you due to high level of excitement. You have made me completely mad, O my (male) lover!”
Now this proves beyond doubt that:
A. Babur and his gang were homosexual and child molesters. Punishment for these, as per Islamic Shariat, is death by stoning. This is prevalent even today in Islamic countries.
B. Babri Masjid is nothing but a memoir in name of Babur’s sex-partner.
Does Islam consider monuments created by or named after such sexual perverts to be mosques or symbols of shame?
Hence, it is clear that Babri Masjid was nothing but a symbol of homosexuality and child-molestation. I do not know who were the people behind its destruction. But whosoever they may be, they have destroyed a structure of shame for Hindus and Muslims alike.
It is a matter of greatest shame that a structure which is symbolic of India being defeated by sexual perverts was considered to be a heritage site. If this be so, then perhaps the Mumbai CST where Pakistani terrorists fired openly on innocent crowd would be the next ‘heritage’ spot to be named ‘Kasab’ bhoomi!
Babur – the barbaric killer, looter, rapist, drunkard and drug-addict
(Only a few samples from this barbaric vulgar autobiography of Babur are being provided as it is too brutal and gross for detailed reading.)
– Page 232: He writes that his gang beheaded the innocent Afghans who came to him for truce, and then created a pillar from these heads. The same feat was repeated in Hangu where 200 Afghan heads were killed to create a pillar.
– Page 370: Because people of Bajaur did not believe in Islam, more than 3000 people were murdered and their wives and children were taken as captives.
– Page 371 – Several heads of captured people were sent to Kabutl, Balkh and other places to spread news of victory.
– Page 371 – A tower of cut heads was setup on ground to celebrate victory.
– Page 371 – There was a wine party on Muharram where we drank whole night. (Translator notes here that Babur was a heavy drunkard till end of his life). A large portion of Baburnama describes these wine parties.
– Page 373 – Babur took such intoxicants once that he could not go even for prayers. He further says that had he taken such intoxicants today, he would not have produced half the intoxication.
– Page 374 – Babur fathered several children from several women in his brothel. His first wife promised to adopt all these illegitimate children, whenever they are born in future, because several children born to her could not live. It looks as if Babur’s brothel was akin to a poultry farm for chicken production!
– Page 385-388 – Babur was so happy with birth of Humayun that he went to a boat with his friends and drank wine whole night and ate narcotics. Then they fought with each other due to intoxication and party broke up. After a similar party, he vomited a lot and forgot everything by morning.
– Page 527 – A party was given in the pillared porch of the domed building in Agra (referring to Taj Mahal falsely associated with Shah Jahan)
Almost all pages of his autobiography describe how he looted, threatened, murdered and plundered wherever he went and ate ‘haram’ meat. Note that the way Babur includes all this in his autobiography implies that he was proud of all this. One would shudder to imagine what all other crimes he had committed that do not form part of this self-eulogizing biography.
Summary
A. Babur was anything but follower of Islam, going by his misdeeds that can put any human to shame. And if indeed some perverts assert that Babur was still a Muslim as per their definition of Islam, then there can be nothing more disgusting than that definition of Islam.
B. Babri Masjid, named after Babur’s homosexual partner Babri, is a symbol of sexual perversion of a murderer and rapist. To call it a ‘heritage’ and implicating those who destroyed such a symbol of ‘barbaric perversion’ demonstrates how wretched we have become down the course of history. What can be said of a family that glorifies the person who r**** their ‘mother’, makes him part of their textbooks to glorify their history and resolves to protect those sites as ‘heritage’ which relate to incidents of that r***. (Am sorry for harsh language, but nothing else could describe this worship of looters better.)
C. Muslims should embrace RSS/VHP and all those so-called ‘right’ winged forces for creating a movement for or actually taking part in destruction of this symbol of ‘shame’ which was a slur in name of Islam for centuries.
D. Muslims lost a big chance by failing to destroy Babri Masjid and had to depend on ‘right’ forces to safeguard their dignity as religion of ‘peace’ and ‘character’. But now they should be proactive and destroy the other two symbols of shame at Mathura and Kashi, followed by thousands of others fake mosques/ tombs erected by other pervert sex-maniac, barbarics, looters, killers and criminals like Aurangzeb, Shah Jahan, Jahangir, Akbar, Humayun and all other terrorist rulers from Muhammad Bin Qasim onwards.
E. The autobiography of Babur suffices to exemplify how Islam spread in India. Ideally, all Muslims of India should revert back to their original Dharma – the Dharma of humanity – the Vedic Dharma – jettisoning the cult brought by such perverted invaders.
But even if that be a bit too early to initiate due to prevailing social/ political and economic constraints coupled with misinformation, at the least they should:
– Stop living in delusion that Islam spread by anything except sword and stop associating themselves with perverted misdeeds of these looters and terrorists. Even if Muslims prefer to remain Muslims, at the least, stop calling these criminals Muslims and their noble ancestors. Instead associate with our true noble ancestors like Ram and Krishna.
– Stop visiting all those mosques and monuments that were constructed by these perverted terrorists
– Stop believing that these perverted psychopaths did any artistic construction and realize that all these monuments in name of these invaders were actually ancient buildings captured by them.
– And finally, initiate a movement to start demolishing all those mosques which were constructed by these terrorists as this is greatest insult to all-powerful Allah. Kashi and Mathura would be exemplary beginning.
I appeal to all Muslim brothers and sisters to join hand with these ‘right’ forces who destroyed or called for destruction of symbol of shame on Islam – Babri Masjid – and take this greatest example of Hindu-Muslim solidarity a step ahead. These ‘right’ forces are the greatest friends of Muslims and true patriots of country.
I also appeal to all – Hindus and Muslims – to proactively start celebrating December 6 as “Dignity Day”, “Hindu-Muslim Solidarity Day” or “National Glory Day”. Muslims can observe this day as “Glory to Islam Day”!
Vande Mataram
Disclaimer
This post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives. It also borrows for books on history, most of which are in public-domain.
We believe that most religious texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by some of his fanatic followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently. Some even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by many dominant elite of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.
Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.
Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false intolerant representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of the post.
Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.
The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilisation that “the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history”.
India before the advent of Islamic imperialism was not exactly a zone of peace. There were plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. But in all their wars, the Hindus had observed some time-honoured conventions sanctioned by the Sastras. The Brahmins and the Bhikshus were never molested. The cows were never killed. The temples were never touched. The chastity of women was never violated. The non-combatants were never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless it was a fort. The civil population was never plundered. War booty was an unknown item in the calculations of conquerors. The martial classes who clashed, mostly in open spaces, had a code of honor. Sacrifice of honor for victory or material gain was deemed as worse than death.
Islamic imperialism came with a different code–the Sunnah of the Prophet. It required its warriors to fall upon the helpless civil population after a decisive victory had been won on the battlefield. It required them to sack and burn down villages and towns after the defenders had died fighting or had fled. The cows, the Brahmins, and the Bhikshus invited their special attention in mass murders of non-combatants. The temples and monasteries were their special targets in an orgy of pillage and arson. Those whom they did not kill, they captured and sold as slaves. The magnitude of the booty looted even from the bodies of the dead, was a measure of the success of a military mission. And they did all this as mujahids (holy warriors) and ghazls (kafir-killers) in the service of Allah and his Last Prophet.
Hindus found it very hard to understand the psychology of this new invader. For the first time in their history, Hindus were witnessing a scene which was described by Kanhadade Prabandha (1456 AD) in the following words:
“The conquering army burnt villages, devastated the land, plundered people’s wealth, took Brahmins and children and women of all classes captive, flogged with thongs of raw hide, carried a moving prison with it, and converted the prisoners into obsequious Turks.”
That was written in remembrance of Alauddin Khalji’s invasion of Gujarat in the year l298 AD. But the gruesome game had started three centuries earlier when Mahmud Ghaznavi had vowed to invade India every year in order to destroy idolatry, kill the kafirs, capture prisoners of war, and plunder vast wealth for which India was well-known.
MAHMUD AND MASOOD GHAZNAVI
In 1000 AD Mahmud defeated Raja Jaipal, a scion of the Hindu Shahiya dynasty of Kabul. This dynasty had been for long the doorkeeper of India in the Northwest. Mahmud collected 250,000 dinars as indemnity. That perhaps was normal business of an empire builder. But in 1004 AD he stormed Bhatiya and plundered the place. He stayed there for some time to convert the Hindus to Islam with the help of mullahs he had brought with him.
In 1008 AD he captured Nagarkot (Kangra). The loot amounted to 70,000,000 dirhams in coins and 700,400 mans of gold and silver, besides plenty of precious stones and embroidered cloths. In 1011 AD he plundered Thanesar which was undefended, destroyed many temples, and broke a large number of idols. The chief idol, that of Chakraswamin, was taken to Ghazni and thrown into the public square for defilement under the feet of the faithful. According to Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi, Mahmud’s secretary,
“The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at Thanesar] that the stream was discolored, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise he to Allah for the honor he bestows on Islam and Muslims.”
In 1013 AD Mahmud advanced against Nandana where the Shahiya king, Anandapal, had established his new capital. The Hindus fought very hard but lost. Again, the temples were destroyed, and innocent citizens slaughtered. Utbi provides an account of the plunder and the prisoners of war:
“The Sultan returned in the rear of immense booty, and slaves were so plentiful that they became very cheap and men of respectability in their native land were degraded by becoming slaves of common shopkeepers. But this is the goodness of Allah, who bestows honor on his own religion and degrades infidelity.”
The road was now clear for an assault on the heartland of Hindustan. In December 1018 AD Mahmud crossed the Yamuna, collected 1,000,000 dirhams from Baran (Bulandshahar), and marched to Mahaban in Mathura district. Utbi records:
“The infidels…deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river…but many of them were slain, taken or drowned… Nearly fifty thousand men were killed.”
Mathura was the next victim. Mahmud seized five gold idols weighing 89,300 missals and 200 silver idols. According to Utbi, “The Sultan gave orders that all the temples should be burnt with naptha and fire, and levelled with the ground.” The pillage of the city continued for 20 days. Mahmud now turned towards Kanauj which had been the seat of several Hindu dynasties. Utbi continues: “In Kanauj there were nearly ten thousand temples… Many of the inhabitants of the place fled in consequence of witnessing the fate of their deaf and dumb idols. Those who did not fly were put to death. The Sultan gave his soldiers leave to plunder and take prisoners.”
The Brahmins of Munj, which was attacked next, fought to the last man after throwing their wives and children into fire. The fate of Asi was sealed when its ruler took fright and fled. According to Utbi, “…. the Sultan ordered that his five forts should be demolished from their foundations, the inhabitants buried in their ruins, and the soldiers of the garrison plundered, slain and captured”.
Shrawa, the next important place to be invaded, met the same fate. Utbi concludes:
“The Muslims paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels and worshipers of sun and fire. The friends of Allah searched the bodies of the slain for three days in order to obtain booty…The booty amounted in gold and silver, rubies and pearls nearly to three hundred thousand dirhams, and the number of prisoners may be conceived from the fact that each was sold for two to ten dirhams. These were afterwards taken to Ghazni and merchants came from distant cities to purchase them, so that the countries of Mawaraun-Nahr, Iraq and Khurasan were filled with them, and the fair and the dark, the rich and the poor, were commingled in one common slavery.”
Mahmud’s sack of Somnath is too well-known to be retold here. What needs emphasizing is that the fragments of the famous Sivalinga were carried to Ghazni. Some of them were turned into steps of the Jama Masjid in that city. The rest were sent to Mecca, Medina, and Baghdad to be desecrated in the same manner.
Mahmud’s son Masud tried to follow in the footsteps of his father. In 1037 AD he succeeded in sacking the fort of Hansi which was defended very bravely by the Hindus. The Tarikh-us-Subuktigin records: “The Brahmins and other high ranking men were slain, and their women and children were carried away captive, and all the treasure which was found was distributed among the army.”
Masud could not repeat the performance due to his preoccupations elsewhere.
MUHAMMAD GHORI AND HIS LEUTENANTS
Invasion of India by Islamic imperialism was renewed by Muhmmad Ghori in the last quarter of the 12th century. After Prithiviraj Chauhan had been defeated in 1192 AD, Ghori took Ajmer by assault.
According the Taj-ul-Ma’sir of Hasan Nizami, “While the Sultan remained at Ajmer, he destroyed the pillars and foundations of the idol temples and built in their stead mosques and colleges and precepts of Islam, and the customs of the law were divulged and established.”
Next year he defeated Jayachandra of Kanauj. A general massacre, rapine, and pillage followed. The Gahadvad treasuries at Asni and Varanasi were plundered. Hasan Nizami rejoices that “in Benares which is the centre of the country of Hind, they destroyed one thousand temples and raised mosques on their foundations”.
According to Kamil-ut-Tawarikh of Ibn Asir, “The slaughter of Hindus (at Varanasi) was immense; none were spared except women and children, and the carnage of men went on until the earth was weary.”
The women and children were spared so that they could be enslaved and sold all over the Islamic world. It may be added that the Buddhist complex at Sarnath was sacked at this time, and the Bhikshus were slaughtered.
Ghori’s lieutenant Qutbuddin Aibak was also busy meanwhile. Hasan Nizami writes that after the suppression of a Hindu revolt at Kol (modern day Aligarh) in 1193 AD, Aibak raised “three bastions as high as heaven with their heads, and their carcases became food for beasts of prey. The tract was freed from idols and idol worship and the foundations of infidelism were destroyed.”
In 1194 AD Aibak destroyed 27 Hindu temples at Delhi and built the Quwwat-ul-lslam mosque with their debris. According to Nizami, Aibak “adorned it with the stones and gold obtained from the temples which had been demolished by elephants”.
In 1195 AD the Mher tribe of Ajmer rose in revolt, and the Chaulukyas of Gujarat came to their assistance. Aibak had to invite reinforcements from Ghazni before he could meet the challenge. In 1196 AD he advanced against Anahilwar Patan, the capital of Gujarat. Nizami writes that after Raja Karan was defeated and forced to flee, “fifty thousand infidels were dispatched to hell by the sword” and “more than twenty thousand slaves, and cattle beyond all calculation fell into the hands of the victors”.
The city was sacked, its temples demolished, and its palaces plundered. On his return to Ajmer, Aibak destroyed the Sanskrit College of Visaladeva, and laid the foundations of a mosque which came to be known as ‘Adhai Din ka Jhompada’.
Conquest of Kalinjar in 1202 AD was Aibak’s crowning achievement. Nizami concludes: “The temples were converted into mosques… Fifty thousand men came under the collar of slavery and the plain became black as pitch with Hindus.”
A free-lance adventurer, Muhammad Bakhtyar Khalji, was moving further east. In 1200 AD he sacked the undefended university town of Odantpuri in Bihar and massacred the Buddhist monks in the monasteries. In 1202 AD he took Nadiya by surprise. Badauni records in his Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh that “property and booty beyond computation fell into the hands of the Muslims and Muhammad Bakhtyar having destroyed the places of worship and idol temples of the infidels founded mosques and Khanqahs”.
THE SLAVE (MAMLUK) SULTANS
Shamsuddin Iltutmish who succeeded Aibak at Delhi invaded Malwa in 1234 AD. He destroyed an ancient temple at Vidisha. Badauni reports in his ‘Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh’:
“Having destroyed the idol temple of Ujjain which had been built six hundred years previously, and was called Mahakal, he levelled it to its foundations, and threw down the image of Rai Vikramajit from whom the Hindus reckon their era, and brought certain images of cast molten brass and placed them on the ground in front of the doors of mosques of old Delhi, and ordered the people of trample them under foot.”
Muslim power in India suffered a serious setback after Iltutmish. Balkan had to battle against a revival of Hindu power. The Katehar Rajputs of what came to be known as Rohilkhand in later history, had so far refused to submit to Islamic imperialism. Balkan led an expedition across the Ganges in 1254 AD. According to Badauni,
“In two days after leaving Delhi, he arrived in the midst of the territory of Katihar and put to death every male, even those of eight years of age, and bound the women.”
But in spite of such wanton cruelty, Muslim power continued to decline till the Khaljis revived it after 1290 AD.
THE KHALJIS
Jalaluddin Khalji led an expedition to Ranthambhor in 1291 AD. On the way he destroyed Hindu temples at Chain. The broken idols were sent to Delhi to be spread before the gates of the Jama Masjid. His nephew Alauddin led an expedition to Vidisha in 1292 AD. According to Badauni in Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh, Alauddin “brought much booty to the Sultan and the idol which was the object of worship of the Hindus, he caused to be cast in front of the Badaun gate to be trampled upon by the people. The services of Alauddin were highly appreciated, the jagir of Oudh (or Avadh – Central U.P.) also was added to his other estates.”
Alauddin became Sultan in 1296 AD after murdering his uncle and father-in-law, Jalaluddin. In 1298 AD he equipped an expedition to Gujarat under his generals Ulugh Khan and Nusrat Khan. The invaders plundered the ports of Surat and Cambay. The temple of Somnath, which had been rebuilt by the Hindus, was plundered and the idol taken to Delhi for being trodden upon by the Muslims. The whole region was subjected to fire and sword, and Hindus were slaughtered en masse. Kampala Devi, the queen of Gujarat, was captured along with the royal treasury, brought to Delhi and forced into Alauddin’s harem. The doings of the Malik Naib during his expedition to South India in 1310-1311 AD have already mentioned in earlier parts.
THE TUGHLAQS
Muslim power again suffered a setback after the death of Alauddin Khalji in 1316 AD. But it was soon revived by the Tughlaqs. By now most of the famous temples over the length and breadth of the Islamic occupation in India had been demolished, except in Orissa and Rajasthan which had retained their independence. By now most of the rich treasuries had been plundered and shared between the Islamic state and its swordsmen. Firuz Shah Tughlaq led an expedition to Orissa in 1360 AD. He destroyed the temple of Jagannath at Puri, and desecrated many other Hindu shrines. According to ‘Sirat-i-Firoz Shahi’ which he himself wrote or dictated,
“Allah who is the only true God and has no other emanation, endowed the king of Islam with the strength to destroy this ancient shrine on the eastern sea-coast and to plunge it into the sea, and after its destruction he ordered the image of Jagannath to be perforated, and disgraced it by casting it down on the ground. They dug out other idols which were worshipped by the polytheists in the kingdom of Jajnagar and overthrew them as they did the image of Jagannath, for being laid in front of the mosques along the path of the Sunnis and the way of the ‘musallis’ (Muslim congregation for namaz) and stretched them in front of the portals of every mosque, so that the body and sides of the images might be trampled at the time of ascent and descent, entrance and exit, by the shoes on the feet of the Muslims.”
After the sack of the temples in Orissa, Firoz Shah Tughlaq attacked an island on the sea-coast where “nearly 100,000 men of Jajnagar had taken refuge with their women, children, kinsmen and relations”. The swordsmen of Islam turned “the island into a basin of blood by the massacre of the unbelievers”.
A worse fate overtook the Hindu women. Sirat-i-Firuz Shahs records: “Women with babies and pregnant ladies were haltered, manacled, fettered and enchained, and pressed as slaves into service in the house of every soldier.”
Still more horrible scenes were enacted by Firuz Shah Tughlaq at Nagarkot (Kangra) where he sacked the shrine of Jvalamukhi. Firishta records that the Sultan “broke the idols of Jvalamukhi, mixed their fragments with the flesh of cows and hung them in nose bags round the necks of Brahmins. He sent the principal idol as trophy to Medina.”
THE PROVINCIAL MUSLIM SATRAPS
In 1931 AD the Muslims of Gujarat complained to Nasiruddin Muhammad, the Tughlaq Sultan of Delhi, that the local governor, Kurhat-ul-Mulk, was practising tolerance towards the Hindus. The Sultan immediately appointed Muzzaffar Khan as the new Governor. He became independent after the death of the Delhi Sultan and assumed the title of Muzzaffar Shah in 1392 AD. Next year he led an expidition to Somnath and sacked the temple which the Hindus had built once again. He killed many Hindus to chastise them for this “impudence,” and raised a mosque on the site of the ancient temple. The Hindus, however, restarted restoring the temple soon after. In 1401 AD Muzaffar came back with a huge army. He again killed many Hindus, demolished the temple once more, and erected another mosque.
Muzaffar was succeeded by his grandson, Ahmad Shah, in 1411 AD. Three years later Ahmad appointed a special darogah to destroy all temples throughout Gujarat. In 1415 AD Ahmad invaded Sidhpur where he destroyed the images in Rudramahalaya, and converted the grand temple into a mosque. Sidhpur was renamed Sayyadpur.
Mahmud Begrha who became the Sultan of Gujarat in 1458 AD was the worst fanatic of this dynasty. One of his vassals was the Mandalika of Junagadh who had never withheld the regular tribute. Yet in 1469 AD Mahmud invaded Junagadh. In reply to the Mandalika’s protests, Mahmud said that he was not interested in money as much as in the spread of Islam. The Mandalika was forcibly converted to Islam and Junagadh was renamed Mustafabad. In 1472 AD Mahmud attacked Dwarka, destroyed the local temples, and plundered the city. Raja Jaya Singh, the ruler of Champaner, and his minister were murdered by Mahmud in cold blood for refusing to embrace Islam after they had been defeated and their country pillaged and plundered. Champaner was renamed Mahmudabad.
Mahmud Khalji of Malwa (1436-69 AD) also destroyed Hindu temples and built mosques on their sites. He heaped many more insults on the Hindus. Ilyas Shah of Bengal (1339-1379 AD) invaded Nepal and destroyed the temple of Svayambhunath at Kathmandu. He also invaded Orissa, demolished many temples, and plundered many places. The Bahmani sultans of Gulbarga and Bidar considered it meritorious to kill a hundred thousand Hindu men, women, and children every year. They demolished and desecrated temples all over South India.
AMlR TIMUR
The climax came during the invasion of Timur in 1399 AD. He starts by quoting the Quran in his Tuzk-i-Timuri: “O Prophet, make war upon the infidels and unbelievers, and treat them severely.”
He continues: “My great object in invading Hindustan had been to wage a religious war against the infidel Hindus…[so that] the army of Islam might gain something by plundering the wealth and valuables of the Hindus.” To start with he stormed the fort of Kator on the border of Kashmir. He ordered his soldiers “to kill all the men, to make prisoners of women and children, and to plunder and lay waste all their property”. Next, he “directed towers to be built on the mountain of the skulls of those obstinate unbelievers”. Soon after, he laid siege to Bhatnir defended by Rajputs. They surrendered after some fight, and were pardoned. But Islam did not bind Timur to keep his word given to the “unbelievers”. His Tuzk-i-Timuri records:
“In a short space of time all the people in the fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers. They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground.”
At Sarsuti, the next city to be sacked, “all these infidel Hindus were slain, their wives and children were made prisoners and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors”. Timur was now moving through (modern day) Haryana, the land of the Jats. He directed his soldiers to “plunder and destroy and kill every one whom they met”. And so the soldiers “plundered every village, killed the men, and carried a number of Hindu prisoners, both male and female”.
Loni which was captured before he arrived at Delhi was predominantly a Hindu town. But some Muslim inhabitants were also taken prisoners. Timur ordered that “the Musulman prisoners should be separated and saved, but the infidels should all be dispatched to hell with the proselytizing sword”.
By now Timur had captured 100,000 Hindus. As he prepared for battle against the Tughlaq army after crossing the Yamuna, his Amirs advised him “that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolators and enemies of Islam at liberty”. Therefore, “no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword”.
Tuzk-i-Timuri continues:
“I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. One hundred thousand infidels, impious idolators, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasiruddin Umar, a counselor and man of learning, who, in all his life, had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives.”
The Tughlaq army was defeated in the battle that ensued next day. Timur entered Delhi and learnt that a “great number of Hindus with their wives and children, and goods and valuables, had come into the city from all the country round”.
He directed his soldiers to seize these Hindus and their property. Tuzk-i-Timuri concludes:
“Many of them (Hindus) drew their swords and resisted…The flames of strife were thus lighted and spread through the whole city from Jahanpanah and Siri to Old Delhi, burning up all it reached. The Hindus set fire to their houses with their own hands, burned their wives and children in them and rushed into the fight and were killed…On that day, Thursday, and all the night of Friday, nearly 15,000 Turks were engaged in slaying, plundering and destroying. When morning broke on Friday, all my army …went off to the city and thought of nothing but killing, plundering and making prisoners….The following day, Saturday the 17th, all passed in the same way, and the spoil was so great.that each man secured from fifty to a hundred prisoners, men, women, and children. There was no man who took less than twenty. The other booty was immense in rubies, diamonds, garnets, pearls, and other gems and jewels; ashrafis, tankas of gold and silver of the celebrated Alai coinage: vessels of gold and silver; and brocades and silks of great value. Gold and silver ornaments of Hindu women were obtained in such quantities as to exceed all account. Excepting the quarter of the Saiyids, the Ulama and the other Musulmans, the whole city was sacked.”
Contributed by Rajiv Varma
Babur was an invader and an imperialist. It is unfortunate that so-called secular forces known as Marxists are always siding with the invaders and imperialists. His tribe committed innumerable atrocities on the people of this country. Whatever be the judgement of the court tomorrow, we shouls all maintain peace. The higher court is open to all.
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Mughalistan (or Mughalstan) is the name of an independent homeland proposed for the Muslims of India. This Mughal-Muslim state in the Indian subcontinent will include all of North India and Eastern India, and will be formed by merging Pakistan and Bangladesh through a large corridor of land running across the Indo-Gangetic plain, the heartland of India. This Mughalistan corridor will comprise Muslim-majority areas of Northern India and eastern India that will be partitioned for the second time in history.
The comprehensive plan for a second partition of India was first developed by the Mughalstan Research Institute (MRI) of Jahangir Nagar University (Bangladesh) under the patronage of the two intelligence agencies, Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and Bangladesh’s Director General of Forces Intelligence, DGFI. The “Mughalistan Reaserch Institute of Bangladesh” has released a map where a Muslim corridor named “Mughalistan” connects Pakistan and Bangladesh via India.
The Pakistani Punjabi-dominated ISI’s influence on MRI is evident even in the Punjabi-centric pronunciation of the word ‘Mughalstan’ (without the “i”), instead of the typical Urdu pronunciation (Mughalistan). Islamic Jihadis in India have been well-armed and well-funded by the neighbouring Islamic regimes, as part of Operation Topac – the late Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq’s grandiose plot to balkanize India.
Not surprisingly, Osama Bin Laden has thrown his support behind the concept and creation of this Greater Pakistan to “liberate” the Muslims of India from the Hindus. The Mumbai underworld (led by Karachi-based don Dawood Ibrahim who executed the gruesome 1993 Mumbai bombings), Jamaat-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen have declared their unified support for creating this undivided Islamic nation in the Indian subcontinent. The Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Indian Mujahideen are working in tandem with the aforementioned organizations to waged Jihad against the Hindus of India.
It is important to note that in its “holy war” against India, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has openly declared Hindus to be the “enemies of Islam” who should all be converted or killed. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba group has repeatedly claimed through its journals and websites that its main aim is to destroy the Indian republic and to annihilate Hinduism. Jaish-e-Mohammed has vowed to “liberate” not just Kashmir, but also to hoist the Islamic flag atop the historic Red Fort after capturing New Delhi and the rest of India.
SIMI has championed the “liberation of India through Islam” and aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat (Islamic Caliphate), emphasis on the Muslim Ummah (Islamic) and the waging of Jihad on the Indian state, secularism, democracy and nationalism – the basic keystones of the Indian Constitution – as these concepts are antithetical to Islam. The Indian Mujahideen have sent several emails claiming responsibility for several bombings in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad (in Uttar Pradesh), Bangalore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and New Delhi in 2007 and 2008. The emails refer to notorious Islamic conquerors of India (Mohammed bin Qasim, Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmud Ghaznawi) as their role-models, refer to Hindu blood as “blood to be the cheapest of all mankind” and taunt Hindus that their “[Hindu] history is full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult [at the hands of Islamic conquerors]“.
The Indian Mujahideen’s emails warn the Hindus to “Accept Islam and save yourselves” and or else face a horrible fate: – “Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our [Muslim] hands?”
TRANSFORMATION OF THE SPIRITUALITY OF SRI RAM INTO RELEGIOUS EPIC OF HOLY RAMAYAN
Great lives spread an aura and fragrance which outlive their mortal sojourn on earth. If one makes a closer study of what distinguishes these men and keeps them apart from the rest, two qualities stand out. The first is their concern for the good of others. The second is a constant striving for perfection and excellence with purity in personal and public life. Honour, dignity, friendship and compassion are the traits of such worthy men. They know intuitively that nothing worthwhile or enduring is ever achieved without character and that, in the ultimate analysis, all worldly possessions and achievements like authority, wealth and status are mere wayside stops in the exciting journey of exploration of the mortal dimensions of the human personality. Perception of impulse to stimulate the message conveyed through holy Epic of Ramayana, I remained stands still to get the meaning hidden between the lines. The realization of the truth started entering into my mind by diplection of the different character of the people living at the contemporary period of Sat-Yug. There were the jealousy in the mind of step mother Kaikei which given effect into the action by Mainthara and ultimately the king Dashrath, who has pledged to accomplish two desires of his youngest queen by the impulse of the emotion. He was compelled to denounce the thrown to his dear worthy son Shri Ram and the other vicious design uttered in the shape of boon to spare him from making his descendent heir for kingdom but to send him to the exile. The character of Shri Ram is not in the hatred, but to follow the great tradition i.e. “let my Life be Sacrificed, but there may not be unequivocal repudiation from promise”. It was not only attributable for himself, but the desire of his father and step mother for giving effect to the said promise to be carried out by accepting the offer of exile for himself. The duty of the spouse in order to accomplish the tradition of remaining shared during the good days and also to follow the bad days in services of her husband also with the equal enthusiasm. The dedication of the brother Laxman to follow his brother during the period of the adversity and to protect his sister-in-law during the absence of Shri Ram and to sleep on the earthly bed is the first and foremost lesson conveyed through the holy epic of Ramayana. The second lesson required to be learn by the different segmentation of the society comprising of the layman in the contact of the ruler from the public at large and reaction thereafter. The diplomatic conversation of Nishad Khewat with Shri Ram by not allowing him to enter in his boat till washing of his feet under the garb of alleged fear psychosis of saving his boat from being converted into the human beings conveys the message of sentimental affiliation and association by the almighty power, which is not only omnipresent, but also omniscient. Thereafter, eating the berries already tested by the women namely Shabri, lowest community of a Dhanuk (Passi), having the piggery business but instead of showing any dejection from accepting such berry, the character of Shri Ram is displayed in eating them. The most crucial part of lesson in the epic of Ramayana, when Mother Sita was abducted by Ravan and she was crying for help from all such living creatures including birds and animals, but no one listen, as the abductor was none else than Ravan. It was a Jatayun, a vulture, eating the flesh of dead animals, who dared to challenge the most powerful ruler on earth fully knowing that he will not survive, but none else came to save Mother Sita, or even to make efforts to save her except a vulture.It is true that Shri Ram killed Bali from behind the trees but when Bali asked him, as to why Shri Ram preferred to have the friendship with his weaker brother Sugreev, who could not protect his wife from Bali aggression, instead of having the friendship from the stronger person namely the Bali who kept Ravana inside the Soldier pit below his arm for six months, the reply of Shri Ram in support of the righteous person, irrespective of his status is the second lesson conveyed in Ramayana. When the fighting could not be avoided, then instead of calling the army from Ajodhya, why Shri Ram preferred the Army comprising of the monkey, bear and even the squirrel who built the Ram Shetu to reach the golden kingdom of Ravan. Ravan was himself Brahmin by caste but on account of his conduct of consuming liquor and having the carnal desired of greed and lust, the entire quality of his worship to lord Shiva was converted into the sin committed on this earth. Thus the army of the petty animals or that of lowest segmentation of the society was having the potential to defeat him. Thus the third lesson conveyed in Ramayana is that it is not material as to which caste an individual is born, but the quality of the life and the perception of its ideology is supreme. The Fifth lesson conveyed through epic Ramayana, as to why the golden Lanka was given back to the brother Bhibhisan of Ravan, instead of having the expansion of his kingdom and to return back to his native place after completion of the period of exile of fourteen years. The Sixth lesson is having the mixed reaction, one conveys the greatness of Shri Ram while from another point of view people criticizes to Shri Ram for denouncing mother Sita ji on the instigation of the washer man but as the ruler of Ajodhya, the comfort of the king were immaterial instead of his reputation to maintain the high tradition of the kingdom. Thus ultimately the conclusion conveyed through the holy epic of Ramayana is that of the attachment with the spirit of detachment and victory over the vices, while association with lowest segmentation of society for expansion of kingdom, which the society at present, especially the so called Brahmins and swami ji in the luxurious ashrams, posing themselves to be the protector of our Vedic Hindu Religion have totally forgotten or they have given up these high traditions, only for gaining more power, more money, more comfort and ultimately started ruining the Hindu Tradition of sacrifices.
This article should be forwarded to the bench of 3-judges of Lucknow HC.
So that our mother-land will get its old glory back.
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BABER MASJID-REAL STORY
1949 On December 23rd, Muslims finished their night prayer and left to their home. A shock was waiting for them, who came for fajr prayer. Inside the Mosque a mob kept Rama, Laxamana, Sita statues and claimed that their God took avatar (appeared) inside the mosque and they started agitating against innocent Muslims.
An FIR was filed at faizabad police station. Afterwards central and state government banned Muslims to conduct prayer inside the mosque and this became one of the important issue in Indian history.
Then Innocent Hindu’s mind were brain-washed with hatred feeling against Muslims by spreading a false propaganda that “Babri Majid was built by demolishing Ram Temple”
If the propaganda of Saffron Group ” Babri majid was built after demolishing Ram Temple” is true then no Muslims will fight for this issue. Because in Islam, demolishing other religious Temple is strictly prohibited. Due to their false claim about Ram Temple, Muslims are fighting to get back their mosque.
We don’t want to divert the subject by exposing the comment of Chatterji, AK majumdhar, Nehru that RAM is an imaginary character.
Because the subject is to discuss by doing research whether any Ram temple exists in the disputed location ? Whether Majid was built in that location by demolishing Ram temple? Not about the existence of Ram or whether it is imaginary character or not!!!
Even Ram is an imaginary character; no Muslims will accept the demolition of Ram temple and build a mosque in that location.
Was Ram born at Ayodhya ?
We’ll see how the claim of Ram born in that disputed location will be true.
Whatever the decision Hindus want to take, it should not be fundamentally taken from the comment of RSS or any other saffron organization. It should be taken from Hindus Vedas and Purunas. In fact, it would be opposite to Hindu ideology, if some decision taken apart from this jurisdiction of Vedas.
Valmiki wrote first about Ram and his words explained everything about Ram in crystal clear format. Valmiki explained in his Ramayana that he born at DHIREDHA Yuga.
A basic measurement unit of time, to denote the Hindu’s belief of time is Yuga. There are four Yugas.
Kirudha yuga 17,28,000 ( 17 lakhs, 28 thousands ) years
Dhiredha Yuga 12,96,000 ( 12 lakhs, 96 thousand) years
Duvaba Yuga 8,64,000 ( 8 lakhs, 64 thousand ) years
Kali Yuga 4,32,000 ( 4 lakhs, 32 thousand ) years
Now we are living in the time of Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga starts before 3102 years of Christ. Now 2009 finished after Christ. So 5110 years finished after kali yuga starts.
Duvaba yuga was before Kali Yuga and Ram didn’t born during this time. Before this was Dhiredha Yuga and even Ram born during last stage of this Yuga and according to Valmiki Ramayana’s Judgment ” Ram should have born before 8,69,110 years ( 8,64,000 + 5110 )
Like Valmiki Ramayana told about Ram’s Yuga, he specified the birth place too that is “He born at Ayodhya city ”
That means ” Ayodhya” should exists before 8 Lakhs, 64 thousand years. A report was submitted on 1976, 77 by central government archeological department regarding ” when Ayodhya appeared?”. This report in its 52, 53 page explained that “A place name called Ayodhya in which people started dwelling was before 700 BC.
That means, before 2708 years, there would be no Ayodhya according to their archeological research.
Afterwards this was re-researched by C.P.Lal and K.N Theetjit , a notable historian. They also found that it was true whatever the archeological department found.
Valmiki told that Ram born before 8 lakhs 69 thousand years at Ayodhya, but it is crystal clear that there was nothing called Ayodhya at that time.
How Hindus can conclude by neglecting Ramayana and archeological finding?
The age of this Ayodhya is 2708 years. But this is not the one explained by Ramayana. May be it is in different place. It is general to find many places in the same name. By considering these facts, they have to come for conclusion, which will not contradict with Ramayana and research facts.
There is lot of testimonials in Ramayana that Ram born at Ayodhya which is different from the existing one.
While speaking about Ayodhya, Ramayana spoke about Sarayu River. Sarayu River exists 1.5 yojan distances from Ayodhya. (1.5 yojan means 23 kilometers )
Even though there’s one river called Sarayu at Ayodhya, it’s running inside the city, not 23 kilometers away from the city.
That means, Ayodhya and Sarayu River told by Ramayana is not the existing one. Ramayana teachings will be correct when you believe Sarayu River flows 23 kilometers away from Ayodhya.
People are simply neglecting Hinduism, if they consider existing Ayodhya is same like Ayodhya explained in Ramayana.
Also Valmiki Ramayana explains that “ Sarayu River join with Ganga”. But this Sarayu River mingles with Raabthi River. What we learnt from this? Ramayana doesn’t denote this Ayodhya and Sarayu river. Also Valmiki Ramaya explains Sarayu river flows from east to west. But Sarayu river in UP flow from west to east.
A researcher, Saer Singh Identified a truth. There is one Ayodhya at Nepal. 20 kilometers away from that city one river is flowing from east to west. Also it mingles with Ganga.
So, those who believe Ram born at Ayodhya, which is at Uttarpradesh, are neglecting Ramayana and its ideology.
Real Ayodhya should be one, which was explained by the Ramayana with all testimonials.
was Ram temple existed at Ayodhya ?
Babar Majid was build at 1528. We’ll see whether any truth present with the opinion of ” Mir Baahi” a minister of Baber, who was accused for demolishing Ram Temple in the disputed location”
RSS claimed that Ram temple was built by king Vikramathithya. Vikramathidya is general name like Chola,Pandya kings. Chandra Gupta, samutra Gupta kings are called in the name of Vikramathidya.
They contradict in specifying the actual king who really built the Ram temple. There is not fact in their claim.
Gupta kings ruled some part of U.P during the period 300 AD to 1100 AD. These kings who ruled for 800 years are called as Vikramathidya.
During the period 300 AD to 1100 AD, there was not even a smell of human at Ayodhya, according to the chief of Indian Archeological department.
P.P Lal who submitted research report and was published at famous magazines” The Week” (25.02.1990) and “Sunday Times” (20.11.1987 ). In that report, after showing several evidences, he was confidently explained that, at Ayodhya during that period of 300 – 1100 AD, there was no human, building, temple or anything.
In some place, which is untouched by human, how can they build a temple? How Baber can demolish a temple which was not existed? I request Hindu Brothers and sisters to think about this.
When Ram was worshipped as God?
If temple to be built for Ram, it should be built after Ram was worshipped as God. Now Hindus are worshiping Ram as God, but they didn’t do it before. Ram was not considered as God, Especially during the period of 300-1100 AD, which was claimed by RSS, the time when Ram temple was built.
Amar Simha of AD 600, released many Sanskrit Poetry resources in the name of ” Amara Kosa”. In that, those who are worshipped as God in India were specified. Ram name was not in the list. So Hindus during that period were not considering Ram as GOD’s Avatar and its considered as big testimonial.
A Sadhu called Lakhsmidhar, collected the information of all sacred place up to 11th century (until last time of Gupta Dynasty). Ayodhya Ram temple is not existed in that.
If Ram temple was build during Gupta period, why it was not included in the list of sacred place?
Same like that, S.S.Iyer , a notable research scholar, published book called ” Indian Temples, Historic notes”. He didn’t specify anything about Ram temple. He noted five temples which was built by Vikramathidya. Ayodhya Ram temple is not there.
At 1989 November 12, IAS officer Ramachandra Kadri wrote one article at “Radiance”. He referred so many evidences with Encyclopedia like Britannica and comment that only after 1100 AD, Ram was worshipped as God.
That means, until the last period of Gupta kings, Ram was not worshipped as God. Can any Hindu who has real conscience, believe that Ram temple was build during the Gupta period?
If we want to tell more clearly, Valmiki wrote Ramayana in Sanskrit. Sanskrit was not popularly spoken by all people and only Brahmins knew about that. Because of this Ram was not considered as God.
Valmiki Ramayana was translated and released in Hindi by Tulsi Das. After that, Ramayana was very famous among people. After Tulsi Das translated Ramayana in Hindi, people start considering Ram as God’s Avatar.
What’s the time of Tulsi Das ? Tulsi Das Lived during the period of Baber (in Ayodhya ), which was claimed for demolition of Ram temple. Baber ruled during 1500 AD and Tulsi was living under that rule.
Ramayana was translated in Hindi during the rule of Baber and that time Ram was not considered as God. So it becomes true that Hindu people didn’t have any knowledge about him.
How Ram was worshiped as GOD when Ramayana was not spread across people? How temple was build for him? Dear Hindu Brothers and sisters, think about this.
India’s first president was Dr. Radha Krishnan. His son Gopal who was good Hindu devotee and very good research scholar too. In his research article, he proclaimed that “There was no temple for Ram before 1750 AD, in any part of India. He confidently declared that “All Ram temple belongs to 18th century”.
if Ram temple was not existed before 200 years, how Baber demolish Ram temple at Disputed location of Ayodhya. I request every citizen, to think about this.
The truth is, the foundation of Babri Majid was laid by Ibrahim Lodi, on 1524. He was unable to continue the service for long time and he was killed in war by Baber. Then, Baber build a Majid, with the foundation laid by Ibrahim Lodi. So it is untrue to tell that Baber demolished the temple.
Will Baber Demolish temple ?
So far, the evidences provided here is enough for everyone, who can really able to distinguish between good and bad. For debate purpose, even though if any temple was there in the disputed location, Baber would not demolish that.
Because, in same Ayothya, for five temples like Hunumangiri ,Jenmasthan, Baber provided incentives by writing in brass . This been safeguarded still now by temple management and was reiterated with evidences by Ramrasha Thiribathi.
How a person will demolish a temple, who provided incentives to many temples?
Also the population of Muslims during Baber reign would be meager when compared with present population. Sovereignty of the kingdom will be maintained only by the support of majority Hindus. Baber would be thrown-out from his throne, by agitators of Hindu Majority, if their temple was demolished. No king will be involved in such activities, if he really wants to retain his power.
Hindus during that time were not involved in any riots or agitation, but only welcomed all Mughal heirs like Babar, his son Humayun, his son Akbar. This shows the courtesy and kindness were showered by Mughal emperors towards Hindu majority.
During the last time of Baber, he wrote one WILL to his son Humayun written in Persian language and it is been preserved still today at Central government’s National museum at Delhi. In that he gave advise as “Dear son, you are going to rule a country where Hindus are in majority. They are respecting COW as God. So don’t eat Cow’s meat (Beef) at any instance.
How a Good Citizen can believe that Baber demolished a temple, who advised his son to renounce the eating habit of Cow’s meat (beef)?
Guru Nanak who founded Sikh religion was considered as big enemy during Baber’s reign. He rigorously opposed Baber, especially for the issues related with women. If Baber demolished the temple, he would have indicated that with his strong resentment. But history commenting that he went to Ayodhya and enjoyed the beauty of Babri Majid’s Structure.
Person like him who lived in those years only knew that whether Baber constructed Majid by demolishing temple. In such case, he would never enjoy its building structure.
Some falsely imagine and claim that people didn’t oppose the rule because of Babar’s tyrant nature.
Baber was neither hated by Hindu people nor was he was a tyrant king. This is the truth. For debate purpose, if we consider Baber was a tyrant king, it would not be true.
After Baber, his kingdom was ruled by his son Humayun. After 25 years of Baber’s death, his grandson Akbar ruled the kingdom. He gave up Islam and was following New Religion Din-ilahi, for which he was the founder. Akbar was like a Hindu king and even he got appreciation from many saffron organizations.
If Baber demolished the temple, it should have been noticed by many people who lived during the period of Akbar too. They don’t need to worry about Akbar and they would have asked to rebuild the temple which was demolished by his grandfather. Surely, Akbar would have satisfied such people, if his grandfather would have demolished such structure. People could have requested, only if temple was demolished!!! But there happened no such incidents.
We’ll leave that. Even after the Mughals era was ended by Britishers, this issue was not raised by anyone until 1948. There was no case registered too.
In 200 years rule of British:
No case was registered during British rule against the demolition of mosque and nobody requested British government to get back their temple.
Problem suddenly rose to its full vigor only after December 23, 1949, when a mob placed Ram idol inside the mosque.
In Ayodhya there are more than 30 Temples which manifest about Ram’s birth place. Hindu scholars identified many places as Ram’s birth place and they didn’t include Babri Majid among them.
This was the reality, until saffron group diverted the attention of Hindus by such false claims.
Saffron Group discovered that by evoking extreme hatred among Hindus and Muslims, they can capture the opportunity to rule India from Congress. Finally they captured the rule by cheating innocent Hindu citizens who believe that” All the glitters are Gold “.
Dear Hindu Brothers and Sisters!!!
We’ll strive to preserve the UNITY.
We’ll neglect communal forces, which have vested interest in creating extreme friction to the development of our country.
We’ll work hard for the economic development of our country and for its prosperous future.
SOURCE: http://www.tntj.net
-English Translation Shahbazullah Khan
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@Shahbajullah Khan
Namaste brother,
Who is talking of Ram temple here? Please read the article, it only talks about Babur and a mosque made in his name! Please provide your valuable views on the facts of the article.
Thanks
@Shajabullah Khan
Brother, have you ever asked for proof of existence of Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, angels, heaven, hell, seventh heaven, flying donkey of Muhammad, splitting of moon, Jesus without father, two hands of Allah, Satan made up of fire, Adam made up of clay, creation of Eve from Adam’s rib, expulsion of Adam and Eve from everlasting heaven, Qun technology of Allah, judgment day or night, Allah’s throne, Kaba the holy stone sent down from heaven etc etc?????
Why to ask all the questions to Hindus? Ram and Ayodhya come later, first thing is that why did Arab invaders come to our country? Why were they keen to build mosques in every part of the world? Has any Hindu ruler ever attacked Arabia and tried to build temple there?
Saying Ramjanmabhumi a disputed land is stupidity of highest class. By your own logic, Hindus are still in majority and if they want, they can destroy each mosque of the country today. But why did they choose Ayodhya only?
@Shahbajullah
And brother, you dont need archeological survey and logic to discard the stories of Adam and Eve, heaven and hell, angels and Satan and flying donkey of Muhammad etc! Just possessing common sense will be enough.
ROFLMAO! Long time since i had a good laugh. Satyagni please join a mental institution or a museum. What a dumb ass you are man.
@Pramod
you forgot to argue your case
ROFL on that l8rs 😉
@Pramod
We always faint after a heavy dosage of laughter whenever we see people like you comment on this site.
[…] what I have heard and read in the media, Babri Masjid was built over a Hindu temple sometime in the 1500′s/1600′s when the Mughal invasions […]
I just wanted to know if Hindu’s staying in Pakistan & Bangladesh have similar rights or not? Can they go to the court of law and demand as a right to rebuild temples that were destroyed in the respective countries? Even if they can, would they be allowed to live? On the contrary, more than a dozen temples have been destroyed since the Babri Masjid demolition. Now a more then 68 years old Shamsan Ghat temple(where last rites of Hindu, Sikhs & more are performed) is being demolished in Pakistan.
Now as a hypothetical case lets assume all the above was possible i.e. it was officially possible to raise voice against the demolition of a temple, the big question, would the decision be what its going to be in the Indian court of law? (As we all understand Congress’s vote-bank politics we all know that the Congress Party will ensure that the decision goes in favor of the muslims)
It was a very interresting, intriging and frghtening article and its comment!!!!
I cant belive in a society like ours where your basic necessity is a hassle each day…we ponder our brain’s with such baseless issues. A country which was divided by the british to rule conviniently remins unpreturbed to continue the prodigy of hatred for generations to come!!!!
Well done Indians keep going!!!! I urge you all not to celebrate one day but every passing day a celebration of your hatred. Continue the good work!!!
@Viewer
Sorry Kid,This site is for mature audiences
apologies for exposing your tender mind to the REAL problems that the WORLD is facing.
You should rather visit the donation site of Taliban or Imam Rauf ..Both are Planning to build grand Mosques on the spots that were destroyed by the followers of religion of ‘peace’
and please educate the majority that opposes sharia, ground zero mosque,burka, Bamian buddha destruction in the USA Aand EUROPE about the BRITISH DIVIDE AND RULE policy !
hope you got the sarcasm ..if you are an adult by any remote chance
Hi Guys,
I’m new to this portal and just visited as there is this verdict on the Ayodhya issue.
After going through so many many stories of good Vs evil and thought that now in this modern era or Kaliyug the Raakshas who were existing in the ancinet world have long gone but NO. They are still existing and have multiplied as Islamic fundmentalists and hardliners.
India is facing the problem of terrorism because of CONGRESS who don’t have the guts to hang Afzal or Kasab as it wil hurt their vote bank with muslims as they consider them as their Heroes.
Muslims ae the only people in India who live in India, eat our food, drink our waters and still betray our land and support PAKISTAN. You can see that when a match is going between India and Pakistan. Pakistan need not train and create a army of terrorist into INDIA as we already have thousands of them here already and just wait for one instruction from accross the bordsr or Dubai.
Terrorism cannot happen in India with local support and you who support them by creating Fake ID’s, giving shelter, food etc
we have our own chutya govt in CONGRESS and it’s allies which always tries to supress Hindus just to save their vote bank with muslims.
Islam just came into existence some 1100 years ago and what were you guys before that either some tribals or barbarians.
Muslims always believe in violence as means to solve any problems.
I hope the day is not far when USA and it’s Western allies NUKE Pakistan and your asses are saved just because you live in INDIA. I know you musilms can’t see your motherland being wiped off.
One more 9/11 kind of an attack in US and PAKISTAN is wiped off from this planet. I think biggest chutya is Gandhi who let these bastards to stay in INDIA after our Independence while PAKISTAN sent a train full of dead bodies as gift to us.
Another big chutya is Ambedkar who wrote a constitution saying any number of political parties can be created and created some many reservations for different religion and caste.
And of course our Jawaharlal Nehru and other PM who were fucking or sucking when pakistan was slowing occuping part of Kashmir.
Have you people thought about why any political party or even CONGRESS for that matter which always says that it is for muslims hasn’t made any muslim a prime minister or chief of any of the armed forces till date (It will never happen)? That is because there is a huge trust deficiet and nobody believes you, even your beloved CONGRESS party. First of all I don’t know whether any muslim is recruited to the armed forces.All they want is vote and nothing else.
America invaded Iraq and Afganistan and how would you feel if they demolished all the mosques and built churches and start killing natives with bomb blasts.
Coming to Ravi Kumar who supports building a masjid at the place (one of the above posts) should be a cross breed and has born as a Hindu by mistake. He would feel the pain and anger when he looses his family members to terrorist attacks by these bastards.
I’m not going to argue about whether RAM existed or not but if there was a Hindu/Jain structure there at that place which was destroyed and mosque or whatever thing was built there then that should be replaced a building of the old faith or may be the govt should take over the land and nothing should be allowed to be built there.
INDIA can never be a terror free nation and you guys know why I’m saying this.
@Rambaan bro
Please do not blame Indian Muslims ..by any standards they are most peaceful lot.
while the Muslims of USA,UK,Pakistan,Afghanistan are lining up to join the al-qaidas and Talibans..Indian muslims are trying to find their way into the middle and upper-middle class through education.
BUT as you observe today , many Saudi funded Dawah centers(Like IRF of Dr. Zakir Naik) are trying to bring the 7th century orthodoxy of Islam back into India in a big way.
The Government and Mainstream media sucks up such anti-human and bigoted people like Dr. Naik who have on record said that ‘anybody leaving islam should be killed’, ‘if any country becomes a muslim majority than the practice of other faiths should be prohibited’, ‘osama bin laden is great’ …Shekhar gupta does a walk the talk with this humanity hater and Barkha Dutt invites him for a discussion on her show.!!!..such is the pathetic state of affairs
I am with you as long as you are against Islam (and that too after you have convinced yourself by studying it’s teachings and tenets) BUT i would request you to see the OBVIOUS..Indian muslims are OUR BROTHERS …Islam is what takes them away from us time and again
I hope you think over my response
Thanks and regards
@IA i totally agree with your stand, Its islam that is foreign, not its indian followers they are our brothers and sister. but the disease Islam should be stopped, through proper enlightenment and education.
hellow….i wnt agree with post bother…but acording u…if u all sexual r shamless heritage shud..b demolished ..pls first u say VHP/RSS to destroy those monument lyk Belur n Halebedu..n more other scultures n which womens r shows..naked “first u see..ur religious den point other”
u see urs first. No culture nothing. Just giving birth to children like pigs. Even pig is ahamed by comparing u to that.
@INDIAN
Brother, dont use such language. All Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Afganistaan Muslims were Hindus some centuries ago and their blood is same as that of ours. So lets try to bring back home our loving Muslim brothers and sisters who were lost because of the fear of Islamic sword during Muslim invasion in India.
I agree that muslim ruler destroyed so many hindu Architectual momuments when they were in India. I have read a lot of books on that. I feel so sorry that we as a 21st generation did not get a chance to see them. Why has so much drama been created on just one mosque? Not many people pray there. Nobody was paying it that much attention until it was distroyed. Move on dude. Imagine building a temple on Mecca. Can you accept that?
Go kill every muslim in India and feel proud of yourself. Can’t see so much hatred.
@Azad
Brother, we love our Muslim brothers and sisters very much. We share common ancestors and thus have blood relation till now. However we are against those invaders and Mullahs, who first converted half of our brothers and sisters forcefully and now try to convert the rest. We still wait for the day when our Indian Muslim brothers and sisters will come back to their original home, Vedas.
This article was written to bring peace and harmony between Hindu and Muslims and not create further tensions. Please, this is my request to all Hindus and Muslims to stop attacking each other’s religion and accept that other as they are. Who would gain by arguing over such trivial matters as the sound of Namaaz or the ringing of bells in Temples. One has to take the first step to stop this age long dispute between the Hindus and Muslims that is the result of the goading of the politicians who are following in the footsteps of the Britishers who wanted to break our country apart. We are doing the same thing by throwing out jibes at each other’s religion. A request to all the Hindus and the Muslims- we are all Indians and let u7s stay Indians. Stop this war of religions and live peacefully.
Hi Friends
I just want to ask questions to Satyagni…”what you have written is very good” but only in HINDU FUNDAMENTALIST PARADIGM. Leave all those things because as like you i m also not a historian. Lets talk in the present and you answer the following questions.
1. Who use the word KALUG that means ” HINDUS can do all SINS ” and there’s no any accountability bcause this is KALUG???
2. Anyone can see in the news paper ” GANG RAPE ” incidents on average 5/per day. Who’s that??? almost HINDU ( hope u also read the paper daily).
3. ” CORRUPTION ” a Big issue and it is the greatest hurdle in the ” DEVELOPMENT OF INDIA ” who is corrupt???
a. Political leaders most of them are HINDUS ( you know very well)
b. Administration is in the hands of HINDUS ( how much officers are free from this sin?)
c. Education … who doesn’t know ” RANJIT VERMA ” an education mafia.
4. Who is patriot???
a. THE KILLER OF MAHATMA GANDHI … NATHU RAM or THE FOLLOWER OF MAHATMA GANDHI … THE MUSLIM.
b. Naxalits who kill the CRPF??? most of them are HINDU.
c. RSS VHP and the organisation like this always claim MUMBAI is only for them and opress the other INDIANS….all r HINDU and are responsible for so many riots.
d. NARENDRA MODI KILLER OF AN M.P AND SO MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE IN GUJRAT.
5. SCAMS IN INDIA
a. FOODER SCAM LALU PARASAD YADAV
b. CORPORATE SCAM RAMALINGA RAJU
c. MUNDHARA SCANDAL T T KRISHNAMACHARI and MUNDHRA
d. HAWALA SCANDAL L.K ADVANI
e.TEHELKA EXPOSER GEORGE FERNANDES AND ADMIRAL SHUSHIL
KUMAR.
f. MID DAY MEAL SCAM AND SO ON
THERE ARE SO MANY SCAM IN INDIA WHICH WAS DONE BY HINDUS ” KYUN DESH KO KHANE K PICHE PADE HAI YE LOG???” MAFI HAI IN KO TUM KHUD BATAO SOCH KAR. NA JANE KITNE AISE CRIME HAI JO SIRF AUR SIRF HINDU HI KARTE HAI LEKIN TUM KAHTE HO ” WE ARE WORKING FOR HUMANITY” …. IS THIS THE WAY OF WORKING AND RULING THE INDIA???
TUM…HINDU…NOT ALL OF U BUT U THE BEAST ON THIS EARTH LIKE U R…
RAPIST
KILLER
CORRUPT
CRIMINAL
LIAR
ITNI BURAI HAI TUM ME AUR KHUD KO ACHCHA SAMJHTE HO. APNE PERCEPTION KO THIK KARLO HUM MUSLMAN TUM KO DOST BANA LENGE….TUM AISA KYUN NAHI KARTE MUSALMAN HI KYUN NAHI HO JATE? TUMHARE SARE PAAP DHUL JAYENGE. ( JAI HIND )
Janab Ashraf Ali Sahab! Ye waqt gussa karne ka nahi hai!
Ashraf Ali….Ye siyasi khel kyun khel rahe hain aap. Aapka Pakistan zindabad hai, hume is se koi etraaz nahi, lekin humara Hindustan zindabad tha, zindabad hai zindabad rahega. Hindustan zindabad.
ashraf ali u left!! ‘NITYA NANDA’
…wat Satyagni say baut him!!!!
Satyagni considers Nityananda to be deserving brutal death punishment for denigrating women and bringing disgrace to pious Sanyas Ashram. Yajurveda 23.19 says that those who exploit women should be hanged upside down and thrashed.
Admin
Yeh Sab to pakistan, Afganistan, Iran, Iraq, US, UK, Australia har jagah ho raha hai.. what are you crying out loud for? you sick..
First of all wat nonsense r u writing????
How can u write all this crap……?
Who cares wat barbar wat? u cares who babri was? I jus no there was a mosque there wic was destroyed by fanatics like u….who have been brain washed by BJP n al its sister concerns..
First of al Wat was BJP before the ayodhya issue? it was jus a small party..
Then they made a mountain of this issue jus for their vested interest n in turn came into power…..did they build temple once they cam in power???? answer me tat???
Then they totally changed their policy towards the babri masjid issue….ok…now BJP has gone to the dogs…so once agin they r seizing this opportunity to gain votes…..
BUT NOW THEY ARE DEALING WITH THE NXT GENERATION OF INDIANS……who jus wan peace among us fellow indians.
THE ENEMY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE>>>>> ITS NOT HERE.
we cant blame our indian muslims all the time……they are indians n have every rit here…..jus as u & me.
Who cares about barbar…..and babri……The mosque was built for prophet mohammad….not for babri…
WAT GIVES RSS/ VHP THE RIGHT TO DESTROY IT?
WAT ARE U TRYIN TO JUSTIFY HERE……..tat rss was rit…
DEFINITELY WRONG…..those fools who destroyed
e temple were brain washed by the BJP and RSS.
TELL ME WHO GAINED FROM ALL THIS????
1) matachod politicians who came to power jus to swindle our money in name of army coffins, fodder or games.
2) Benchod pakistani on the other side who send RANDAVAS lik kasab here to kill us here
3) or impotent ministers in kashmir who cant handle the problem
IF WE FIGHT AMONG OURSELVES THESE MATACHOD PAKISTANI R WAITG TO TAKE ADVANCE
Lets have peace
MY NAME IS RAM,…..
IM A BRAHMIN…..I want peace….
build a temple, mosque, church, gurdwara there……..but most imp….lets have somtg for aam janta like us….build a hospital along side…
JAI HIND
I agree with Dr. Ram Prabhu…. this is the doing of politicians and we are all fools that we get brainwashed by them. Cursing each other and each others religions will not help anyone… and yes fight against the PAKISTAN terrorists if you want to fight… not with your own countrymen
@Dr Ram Prabhu and Secular Shraddha
First of all whoever you are, one thing you both should keep in mind. Abusing anyone in such a manner that it denigrates women is unacceptable here on Satyagni. If you seriously want our response on this issue, first apologize for your filthy words towards motherhood. You call yourself a Brahmin but from your words, you dont look even human. First learn the manners and give respect to mothers and sisters. Masjid-Mandir issue is far off from your dirty mind.
@Secular Shraddha
Probably you are a woman. Instead of condemning this fool Ram Prabhu, you praise him. Shame on you too. First show us by apologizing for your comment that your views are worth reading.
seems like the gutter language of Dr. Ram Prabhu worked wonders on you
Idiots like you were blaming inspector Sharma who died while fighting with the Indian Mujahideen at Batla house…thousands of idiots like you were blaming the delhi police for that encounter..many pseudo secular ministers went to batla house to offer their condolences ..the idiot amar singh made a filthy remark against the slain officer who died protecting US !
and people like you keep barking until the very idiots that you were defending again try to use violence to thwart your common wealth games on the death anniversary of it’s violent ‘martyrs’..
and the pathetic givernment tried to downplay this incident by misleading the citizenry that it was not an IM attack ..later they had to eat their words!
shameless psedo sickularists..India is a target of terrorists because of pests like you
and don’t worry about the politicians in power
1) Building a temple in Mecca is a strict no no ..but preserving an invaders mosque in india is secularism
2) Supporting the ram janma bhooni is communal BUT opposing the ban on burqa in a western country is not!
3) If you are indeed indian why don;t you support uniform civil code ? ..why a women becomes 1/4th of a harem LEGALLY in SECULAR India ?
having said that..i also believe that fighting over stone and rubble is not sane at all …it should be done under the purview of interfaith dialogues and sensitization of the uselessness in defending a person like babur who was undoubtedly a slayer of infidels (brahmins like dr. ram prabhu) and destroyer of their temples
the article presents an alternate viewpoint ..you have every right to oppose it..but avoid filthy language on this site ..it’s meant for mature audiences
my language may be filthy but its suits the pakis rit…..and all those who are enemies of our country.
@ arya: im not defending barbar….i am supportg god almighty here….i was no that there is one god…..only names r different
@indian:
first we sod correct wat we did wrong. we had no rit to destroy their masjid.
why d hell do u care so much about muslim women….r u their guardian angel? then y do u wan talk about them……first learn about being a righteous human being tat is by showing respect to all religions.
we sod set an eg for the world to follow…..india is a secular and democratic country…….i dont support terrorism in any kind …..be it external frm pakistan or internal from brainwashed fanatics
jai hind….jai bharat
look at your self-defeating argument Dr. Ram Prabhu!
1)It’s you who is communal ..the moment i mention the plight of an indian muslim woman ..you immediately sweep that argument under the carpet becuase you believe her to be MORE muslim than Indian
tell me ..if i am more secular who thinks that NO Indian women should be thrown away by triple talaq, or NO INDIAN women should be made an object of harems ..OR ..you are more secular who has his argument under his tail as soon as he realizes that the woman in question is muslim ..you so easily discard the plight of the woman!!!
anyways..if you argue in a decent language i have no objection to your post ..you are entitled to your viewpoint as i am to mine
regards
@ Arya –
I did not use any filthy words against anyone. I did not agree with the language of Dr. Ram Prabhu, I agreed with his thoughts. I know how to respect mothers and don’t need to be told by anyone.
I did not talk against any religion. I talked against those people who fight in the name of religion. Everybody has their own point of view and every right to express it. Who is one person to ask another to apologise for their beliefs?
Secular Shraddha
I asked for apology not for your views but for supporting a filthy comment.
@ Arya
I did not agree to his language. Only to what he said about the politicians leading the common people into fighting amongst themselves. I do not need to apologise for that I am sure.
Quite hilarious.. your sense of sarcasm is most brilliant…
Oh and.. long live the secular democracy that lets all you hate filled fools misuse your freedom of speech..
peace 😀
“we cant blame our indian muslims all the time……they are indians n have every rit here…..jus as u & me.”
Dont forget that it was indian muslims who demanded partition and created Pakistan and then Bangladesh. Nobody denies their Indian and Hindu roots. They r our own ppl and not foreign invaders. U have to ponder what compelled a section of our own ppl to demand a separate country? What is the ideology this section of ppl adopted some 4-5 centuries ago???
The Truth of Babri Masjid
You may Think that as a muslim I will support Islam but the truth is Bari Masjid was built by Babur who was not a Muslim but during that time there were dictators military were on the border side of the city to protect it in that some were Muslims so for them to pray the prayers were difficult so they had to come to city and pray. Then Babur who as not partialwith any one neither Muslim nor Hindus, created a Mosque callled Babri Masjid there for the military people to pray.
Lord Temple truth or a fake !!
There are two things why it does not exist
It is a fake becouse there is no such temple there and we Muslim are not allowed (Haraam) tu destroy other worship place and make ours for praying
There was a dancer as she was hindu used to dance in the mansion of Babur so there was a temple near Babri Masjid a very small temple she used to go and pray there, then Babur said why doyou go much long for praying so Babur created a mall temple for her as she prayed her god their and o from the small temple near babri masjid grew to big for hindus for the destruction of Babri Masjid
Thanks
@Mohammed Ather,
you mention the details of the dancer with so much confidence(but without evidence) as if you are reading your great great grandmother’s personal diary..LOlz ..Man you are funny!
and to your second point that Islam does not allow destruction of ther places of worship to build mosques..that’s a big joke!
read the history of Islam in Persia,Byzantine,India,Afghanistan ..everywhere the local places of worship were destroyed and a mosque built on top of it to establish the religion of ‘peace’.
If in doubt visit turkey(on a chruch), Iran(on a fire temple), India (on top of razed temples) ..in india the count of such structures ranges in thousands!
if you visit dehli please visit the quwaat ul islam mosque ..it has an inscription that will remove your confusion
To solve your confusion ,you just visit sites of mathura,kashi and vrindavan.In fact the side wall of the mosque in kashi has the remains of old temple.
Dear,
To my apprehension, People should have a least concerned with what had been done by Babar before 400 years ago, what was his character and in which activities he was involved in.
Important is that; Key people, out of those, who were involved in the demolition of baberi Masjid were(are) ashamed on their acts, and now they have been Muslims. Furthermore, they still scare (that any natural disaster may occur) at every 6 December.
The following links might help those who would like to rectify themselves, every person has got a chance to follow Muhammad Amir (Former BALBIR Singh, a main activist in demolishing of Baberi Masjid) before he/she dies.
After Which there would have nothing except hell – Remember.
http://www.monthlycrescent.com/my-journey-to-islam/mosque-breakers-become-mosque-makers/
http://www.monthlycrescent.com/my-journey-to-islam/mosque-breakers-become-mosque-makers-ii/
Iqbal Once said; ” Destiny is never altered unless one at his own endeavors to do so”.
I followed Muhammad Amir, i now feel such a pleasure which i never felt in my earlier life.
Thanks And Regards,
@Boss
“To my apprehension, People should have a least concerned with what had been done by Babar before 400 years ago, what was his character and in which activities he was involved in.”
Brother, why dont you use same yardstick for the demolished Babri mosque and suggest our Muslim brothers to leave their claim on it?
Regarding Balbir Singh, please visit many sites run by Ex-Muslims and you will know how people feel after rejecting Islam! If you were hindu sometimes back, please go through http://Satyagni.com/1634/vedic-religion/ and decide what should be your Dharm now!
@Boss
what is with the dawgandists that they invite every violent person to the faith
last i heard was that many prison inmates in the west are converting to Islam
that’s a big blow to your (false) claim that islam means ‘peace’ 😉
by the way ..appeal to authority is a logical fallacy ..if you bring up people joining islam someone else can bring up people leaving islam ..the real discussion on the merits/demerits of Islam would still remain unanswered
best regards
@Boss bro
My Bad!
the latest news is that those prison mates who converted to islam have become a security threat in UK !
Muslims in British jails may launch terror strikes when freed
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100827/884/twl-muslims-in-british-jails-may-launch_1.html
what makes people this ‘peaceful’ as soon as they convert to Islam ?
@Boss
Please visit http://Satyagni.com/1624/islam-the-fastest-growing-religion/
लेख का हिन्दी-उर्दू अनुवाद:-
अगर किसी को अग्निवीर [Satyagni] से पूछना होगा कि हिन्दू मुस्लिम की एकजुटता की सबसे बड़ी घटना क्या रही है? तो इसका उत्तर स्पष्ट और साफ है। मैं रोमिला थापर या डी.एन. झा की तरह एक पेशेवर इतिहासकार नहीं हूँ। मैं मुहम्मद बिन कासिम, गोरी, गजनी, अलाउद्दीन खिलजी, मुगल और नादिर शाह इत्यादि कला के प्रेमियों की तरह भारत पर हमलों के सदियों के गवाह भी नहीं हूँ। इसलिए हो सकता है कि मेरे पास इस्लाम के जन्म के पिछले 1400 वर्षों में हिन्दू मुस्लिम एकता के उदाहरण और अध्यायों के सभी प्रकरणों की पूरी जानकारी नहीं है।
इस प्रकार मैं इस बहस में भी नहीं जाना चाहूँगा कि भारत में इस्लाम तलवार के बल पर फैला है या नहीं जैसा कि हिंदु ‘कट्टरपंथियों’ का आरोप है या पश्चिम एशिया के आदिवासी आक्रमणकारियों के कलात्मक प्रदर्शनों के माध्यम से इस्लाम फैला जैसा कि जाकिर नाइकों[zakir naiks] और JNU के ‘धर्मनिरपेक्ष’ इतिहासकारों का दावा है।
लेकिन मैं कुछ भी आसानी से फिर से याद नहीं दिला सकता जो कि हिंदू और मुसलमानों के एकजुटता का सबसे अनुकरणीय प्रकरण की इस घटना को पार कर जाये। हैरान मत होइए। मैं 6 दिसंबर 1992 के शुभ दिन पर बाबरी मस्जिद के विध्वंस की बात कर रहा हूँ। यह वह भव्य दिन था जब हजारों सज्जन दिल वाले देशप्रेमी हिंदुओं ने उस संरचना को नष्ट कर दिया जो कि भारत और इस्लाम के लिए सदियों से सबसे बड़ा अपमान था। उन्होने यह सब अदालतों में कई सालों तक दर्दनाक परीक्षण[trial], सभी मीडिया माफिया [जो कि इस देश पर राज करती है] के द्वारा निन्दा और राजनैतिक/सामाजिक/सांस्कृतिक जुल्मों कि कीमत पर किया। लेकिन इन सब खतरों के बावजूद , वे आगे बढ़े और उस कलंक को नष्ट कर दिया जो कि मुसलमानों के द्वारा बहुत पहले ही नष्ट कर दिया जाना चाहिए था।
-मैं सरकार से यह अपील करना चाहूँगा कि वो आधिकारिक तौर पर 6 दिसंबर को हिंदु-मुस्लिम एकता दिवस या अभिमान दिवस या वीरता दिवस के रूप में घोषित करे-
रुको…रुको…रुको! आप में से कुछ लोग यह सोच रहे होंगे कि अग्निवीर पागल हो गए हैं या शैतान कि तरह हिंदुओं द्वारा इस्लाम के इबादत की जगह कि बर्बादी के दिन को हिंदु-मुस्लिम एकता का दिन घोषित कर रहें हैं! आप शायद इस ऊटपटांग लगने वाले बयान के लिए स्पष्टीकरण की मांग कर रहे होंगे। जो कि आ रहा है। आगे पढ़िए।
-मैं इस बहस में नहीं जाऊँगा कि क्या सचमें उसी बाबरी मस्जिद कि जगह पर एक राम मन्दिर था या नहीं।-
-मैं इस बहस में भी नहीं जाऊँगा कि संपूर्ण मानवता के महानतम आदर्श श्री राम असल में यहाँ जन्में थे या कहीं और।-
-मैं इस पर भी बहस नहीं करूँगा कि यहाँ राम मन्दिर का निर्माण होना चाहिए या एक अस्पताल बनाया जाना चाहिए, जैसा कि कई बुद्धिजीवियों का सुझाव हैं।-
ये वे बिन्दु हैं जो कि मुद्दे से पूरे हटकर हैं। दुर्भाग्य से ये ही वे बिन्दु रहे हैं जिनपर सालों तक समय बर्बाद किया गया और ये अब भी जारी है।
–सत्य तो यह है कि यदि कोई यह सिद्ध भी कर दे कि इस जगह पर कोई मन्दिर नहीं था या राम किसी दूसरे देश में पैदा हुए थे फिर भी बाबरी मस्जिद भारत की आज़ादी के समय ही नष्ट होने के बिल्कुल लायक ही थी।– कार सेवकों ने तो वही काम किया था जो कि सरकार को 45 साल पहले कर देना चाहिए था।
और कारण यह है कि बाबरी मस्जिद कोई मस्जिद नहीं ही है। क्योंकि बाबर कोई मुस्लिम था ही नहीं। वह लंबे समय से ही मारा जा चुका होता यदि वह आज किसी भी मुस्लिम देश में जिन्दा होता!
हकीकत में बाबर इस्लाम के नाम पर एक कलंक था। बाबर को बेहतर तरीके से जानने के लिए चलिये हम हिंदु ‘कट्टरपंथियों’ या पक्षपाती ‘right-winged’ इतिहासकारों पर आश्रित नहीं होएँ। इसके बजाए क्यों ना घोड़े के मुख से ही सुन लें। चलिये हम बाबर की आत्मकथा ‘बाबरनामा’ की ही समीक्षा करें जो सभी प्रमुख भाषाओं में उपलब्ध है।
इस लेख के प्रयोजन के लिए हम Annette Susannah Beveridge द्वारा अंग्रेजी अनुवाद 1922 में प्रकाशित का उल्लेख करेंगे। यह अनुवाद, उपलब्ध असली तुर्की पांडुलिपि[turkish manuscript] से किआ गया था। ये बाबर के असली चरित्र उद्घाटित करने के लिए पर्याप्त है। आप इसकी scanned कॉपी ttp://www.archive.org/details/baburnama017152mbp इस पते से download कर सकते हैं।
#बाबर- एक समलैंगिक शराबी बाल-उत्पीड़क[child molester] :-
आत्मकथा साफ़ तौर से सिद्ध करती है कि बाबर एक समलैंगिक शराबी बाल-यौन-उत्पीड़क था। अतः वे लोग जो बाबरी मस्जिद के समर्थक है उन्हे सबसे पहले यह स्पष्ट रूप से समझाना चाहिए कि क्या इस्लाम समलैंगिकता और बाल-यौन-उत्पीड़न को मंजूरी देता है? यही नहीं, तो बाबर इस्लाम के नाम पर कलंक था और इसीलिए जो भी ढाँचा उसके द्वारा बनवाया गया था वह भी इस्लाम के नाम में कलंक है।
[1] आत्मकथा के पृष्ठ 120-121 में वह कहता है कि उसे अपनी बीवी में ज्यादा दिलचस्पी नहीं थी लेकिन बाबरी नाम के एक लड़के पर वह पागल हो गया था। वह कबूलता है कि वह किसी और को इतना प्यार नहीं करता है जैसे वह इस लड़के के लिए पागल था। वह लड़के के प्यार में कविताएँ लिखता था। जैसे – “कोई नहीं है आशिक, मुझे छोडकर, जो कि इतना दुखी भावुक और अपमानित है। और मेरे आशिक से ज्यादा बेरहम और मनहूस कोई भी नहीं है !” “There has been no lover except me who is so sad, passionate and insulted. And there is no one more cruel and wretched than my lover!”
[2] वह कहता है कि बाबरी उसके ‘करीब’ आया करता था जिससे बाबर इतना उत्तेजित[excited] हो जाता था कि वह एक शब्द भी नहीं निकाल पाता था। क्योंकि नशे धुत्त होने के कारण वह बाबरी से उसके प्यार के लिए शुक्रिया भी नहीं बोल सकता था ।
[3] एक बार बाबर अपने दोस्तों के साथ घूम रहा था जब बाबरी एक गली में उसके सामने आया। बाबर कि जबान बंद हो गई और वह उसे उत्तेजना के कारण देख तक नहीं सका । उसने कहा [naratted]- “मैं शर्मिंदा हो जाता हूँ मेरे आशिक को देखकर। मेरे दोस्त मुझे कपट से देखते हैं और मैं किसी और को देखता हूँ” ”I get embarrassed looking at my lover. My friends leer at me and I leer someone else.”
[4] वह मानता है कि जुनून और जवानी कि इच्छा में[passion and desire of youth] वह पागल हो गया था और नंगे सिर और नंगे पैर घूमा करता था बिना किसी दूसरी चीज़ देखे।
[5] वह लिखता है – “मैं उत्तेजना और जुनून में पागल हो जाता हूँ। मई यह नहीं सोच सकता था कि आशिकों को इसका सामना करना पड़ता है। मैं तुमसे दूर नहीं जा सका, ना ही मैं ऊँचे दर्जे कि उत्तेजना के कारण तुम्हारे साथ रह सकता हूँ । तुमने मुझे पूरी तरह से पागल कर दिया है , ओ मेरे [मर्द] आशिक !”
अब ये बिना किसी संदेह के साबित है कि:-
[अ] बाबर और उसका गिरोह समलैंगिक और बाल-उत्पीड़क [child molesters] थे। इन के लिए सजा के रूप में इस्लामी शरीयत के अनुसार, मौत है [death by stoning]। यह आज भी प्रचलित है इस्लामी देशों में।
[ब] बाबरी मस्जिद बाबर के sex पार्टनर की याद में बना ढाँचा है और कुछ नहीं।
क्या इस्लाम किसी sex perverts के द्वारा बनाया गया या उसके नाम पर बनाया गए स्मारक को मस्जिद मानता है? या शर्म का प्रतीक ?
अतः यह साफ है कि बाबरी मस्जिद समलैंगिकता और बाल-उत्पीड़न का प्रतीक है और कुछ नहीं । मैं यह नही जानता कि इस विध्वंस के पीछे किन लोगों का हाथ था। पर जो भी वे हों , उन्होने हिंदुओं और मुसलमानों के लिए शर्म के ढांचे को नष्ट कर दिया है।
-यह सबसे ज्यादा शर्म कि बात है कि जो ढाँचा ‘भारत की sexual perverts द्वारा हार’ का प्रतीक है उसे विरासत स्थल [heritage site] समझा जाता था। अगर ऐसा है तो शायद मुम्बई सीएसटी, जहाँ पाकिस्तानी आतंकवादियों ने खुलेआम मासूम लोगों पर फ़ाइरिंग की थी , वह ‘कसाब भूमि’ नामक नया विरासत स्थल[heritage] होगा !
#बाबर – बर्बर हत्यारा, लुटेरा, बलात्कारी, शराबी और drug-addict :-
(केवल बाबर के इस बर्बर अश्लील आत्मकथा से कुछ नमूने प्रदान की जा रही है क्योंकि यह बहुत क्रूर और विस्तृत रूप से पढ़ने के लिए अशिष्ट है.)
-पृष्ठ 232: वह लिखता है कि उसके गिरोह ने उन लोगों के सर काट दिये जो उसके पास संघर्ष विराम के लिए आए थे , और फिर इन सिरों से एक स्तंभ बनाया। ऐसा ही करतब Hangu में दोहराया गया था, जहां 200 अफगानी सिर एक स्तंभ बनाने के लिए मारे गए थे।
-पृष्ठ 370: क्योंकि बजौर के लोग इस्लाम पर विश्वास नहीं करते थे, इसीलिए 3000 से भी ज्यादा लोगों कि हत्या कर दी गई और उनके बीवियों और बच्चों को बन्दी बनाकर रख लिया गया।
-पृष्ठ 371– जीत कि खबर फैलाने के लिए कब्जा किए गए बंदियों के बहुत सारे कटे हुए सिरों को Kabutl, Balkh और दूसरी जगहों पर भेजा गया।
-पृष्ठ 371– जीत का जश्न मनाने के लिए कटे हुए बहुत से सिरों से एक खम्बा बनाया गया।
-पृष्ठ 371– ‘मुहर्रम के दिन एक शराब पार्टी हुई जहाँ पर हमने पूरी रात पिया’। (अनुवाद करने वाला यहाँ टिप्पणी करता है कि बाबर अपने अंतिम समय तक बहुत ज्यादा शराबी था) Baburnama का एक बड़ा भाग इन शराब पार्टियों वर्णन करता है।
-पृष्ठ 373– बाबर ऐसे नशीले पदार्थ लेता था कि वह एक बार अपने नमाज के लिए भी नहीं जा सका। वह आगे लिखता है कि यदि वह उन नशीले पदार्थ को आज लेता तो वह आधे नशे को भी पैदा नहीं कर पाता।
पृष्ठ 374– बाबर ने अपने वैश्यालय कि कई औरतों से कई बच्चे पैदा किए थे। उसकी पहली बीवी ने उन सभी नाजायज औलादों को अपनाने का वादा किया, जब भी वो भविष्य में जन्में, क्योंकि उसकी कोख से जन्में कई सारे बच्चे जिंदा नहीं रह सके। ऐसा लगता है कि बाबर का वेश्यालय चिकन उत्पादन के लिए एक पोल्ट्री फार्म के जैसे था !
-पृष्ठ 385-388– बाबर हुमायूँ के जन्म से इतना खुश हो गया कि वह अपने दोस्तों के साथ नाव में गया और पूरी रात शाराब पिया और नशीले पदार्थों को खाया। फिर वे सभी शराब के नशे में झगड़ने लगे और पार्टी खतम हो गई। एक ऐसी ही पार्टी के बाद, उसने बहुत उल्टी कर दी और सुबह तक सब कुछ भूल गया।
-पृष्ठ 527– आगरा के एक गुंबददार इमारत के खंबेदार बरामदे में एक पार्टी दी गई थी (ताज महल कि ओर संकेत कर रहें है जिसका नाम शाहजहाँ से गलती से जोड़ा जाता है)।
बाबर कि आत्मकथा के लगभग सभी पन्नों में यही लिखा है कि कैसे उसने लूटपाट की, धमकी दी, हत्या की, और जहाँ भी वो गया लूटपाट किया और ‘हराम’ वाला मांस खाया। यहाँ ध्यान देना कि जिस तरह से बाबर अपनी आत्मकथा में यह सब लिख रहा है इसका यही तात्पर्य है कि वह इन सब कामों पर गर्व करता था।
और जिन दूसरे अपराधों का ज़िक्र उसने अपने आत्म-प्रशंसा करने वाले आत्म-कथा में नहीं किया उनकी कल्पना करके आप काँप सकते हैं।
सारांश :-
[अ] बाबर सबकुछ था लेकिन इस्लाम का अनुयायी नहीं। उसके कुकर्म किसी भी इंसान को इंसानियत के लिए शर्म और कलंक बना सकते हैं। और यदि वास्तव में कोई विकृत पुरुष बाबर को अभी भी उनके द्वारा इस्लाम की परिभाषा से मुस्लिम करार देता है , तो फिर इस्लाम कि उस परिभाषा से घिनौना और कुछ भी नहीं हो सकता।
[ब] बाबरी मस्जिद , जो कि बाबर के समलिंगी साथी बाबरी के नाम पर राखी गई थी, एक खूनी और बलात्कारी के यौन विकृति का प्रतीक है। इसे ‘विरासत’ कहना और जिन लोगों ने ‘बर्बर विकृति’ का ऐसे प्रतीक को नष्ट किया , उन्हे फँसाना यही साबित करता है हम इतिहास के मामले में कितने नीच बन चुके हैं। उस परिवार के बारे क्या कहा जा सकता है जो ऐसे व्यक्ति को आदर देता है जो कि अपने ‘माँ’ के साथ बलात्कार करता है , उसकी महिमा का वर्णन करने के लिए उसे अपने पाठ्यक्रमों का हिस्सा बनाते हैं और ऐसे स्थलों की रक्षा करने का संकल्प लेते हैं जो उन बलात्कारों की घटनाओं से संबंधित है। (कठोर भाषा के लिए खेद है, लेकिन इससे बेहतर इस लूट के काम को कुछ अलग तरीके से समझाया नहीं जा सकता। )
[स] मुसलमानों को आरएसएस/वीएचपी और उन सभी ‘सही’ पक्ष वालों के दल में सम्मिलित हो जाना चाहिए जिन्होने इस ‘शर्म’ के प्रतीक को नष्ट करने में हिस्सा लिया ,जो की इस्लाम के नाम पर सदियों से कलंक था।
[द] मुसलमानों ने बाबरी मस्जिद के विध्वंस करने का एक बड़ा मौका खो दिया और अपने ‘अमन’ और ‘चरित्र’ के मज़हब की सुरक्षा करने के लिए ‘सही’ ताकतों पर आश्रित होना पड़ा। -लेकिन अब उन्हे मथुरा और कांशी में स्थित दो और ‘शर्म’ के प्रतीकों, फिर बाद में सेक्स के पागलों द्वारा निर्मित मस्जिदों और मक़बरों, जो की आतंकवादी,बर्बर,हत्यारे और अपराधी शासकों जैसे- मुहम्मद बिन कासिम और उसके बाद के औरंगजेब, शाहजहाँ, अकबर, हुमायूं, जहांगीर आदि के द्वारा बनवाए गए थे , को नष्ट करने के लिए सक्रीय हो जाना चाहिए ।
[ई] बाबर की आत्मकथा इस बात का पर्याप्त उदाहरण है कि भारत में इस्लाम कैसे फैला। आदर्श यही होगा कि भारत के सभी मुस्लिम पागल आक्रमणकारियों द्वारा लाये गए पंथ को छोडकर अपने मूल धर्म – मानवता का धर्म – वैदिक धर्म में वापस लौट आयें ।
लेकिन यदि गलत सूचनाओं के साथ प्रचलित सामाजिक/राजनीतिक/आर्थिक मजबूरी के कारण यह करना थोड़ा ज्यादा जल्दी है तो भी उन्हे :-
–इस भ्रम में रहना बन्द कर दीजिये कि इस्लाम तलवार के अलावा किसी और विधि से फैला है और अपने आपको उन पागल लुटेरों और आतंकवादियों के विकृत दुष्कर्मों के साथ जोड़ना बन्द कर दीजिये । और यह कि यदि मुस्लिम ,मुस्लिम ही बने रहना चाहते हैं, तो भी कम से कम, इन अपराधीयों को मुस्लिम और सभ्य पूर्वज कहना बन्द कर दो। इसके बजाए हमारे सच्चे महान पूर्वजों जैसे श्री राम और कृष्ण को खुद से जोड़ो ।
–उन मस्जिदों और मक़बरों में जाना बन्द कर दो जो उन पागल आतंकवादियों द्वारा बनाए गए थे।
–ऐसा विश्वास करना बन्द कर दो कि इन मानसिक रोगियों ने कोई कलात्मक भवनों का निर्माण किया था और यह एहसास करो कि ये सभी स्मारक जो कि इन आक्रमणकारियों द्वारा बनाए गए थे असल में प्राचीन भवन थे जिनको उन लोगों ने कब्ज़ा किया था ।
—और आखिरकार , सबसे ताकतवर अल्लाह का अपमान करने वाले उन आतंकवादियों द्वारा बनाए गए सभी मस्जिदों को तबाह करने के लिये आंदोलन की शुरुआत करो। काशी और मथुरा अच्छी शुरुआत होगी।
मै सभी मुस्लिम भाइयों और बहनों से अपील करता हूँ कि इन ‘सही’ ताकतों से हाथ मिलाइए जिन्होने इस्लाम के नाम पर कलंक- बाबरी मस्जिद को नेस्तेनाबूत किया । और इस हिंदु-मुस्लिम एकता के महानतम उदाहरण को एक कदम आगे बढ़ाएं ।
ये ‘सही’ ताक़तें मुसलमानों के सबसे बड़े दोस्त और देश के सच्चे देशभक्त हैं।
मै सभी हिंदुओं और मुसलमानों से यह भी अपील करता हूँ कि 6 दिसम्बर को ‘प्रतिष्ठा दिवस'(इज्ज़त का दिन) या ‘हिंदु-मुस्लिम एकता दिवस’ या ‘राष्ट्रीय विजय दिवस’ के रूप में सक्रियता से मनाना शुरू कर दीजिये। मुस्लिम इस दिन को ‘इस्लाम की शोभा का दिन’ की तरह भी पालन कर सकते हैं।
वन्दे मातरम ।
Ooops,,, this site and its runners seems to be sinked deep into the syllabus of “Saffron University” for years.. I smelled this site saffron the first time I came here.
Dear brothers(if u truly agree so) Life is very very short, it is only moving faster towards death and never vice-versa,,, Each one of us have been given the most valuable commodity ever, do U know what it is?? “LIFE”, and each one of us have to answer and account for it to our creator. Do anyone of You think that we humans are created lust for a joy?? There is a definite purpose. There is indeed a purpose over each of our heads. Don’t waste it. Don’t waste it by any means and don’t get DECEIVED.
@ashu
Allah definitely created us for His joy! Otherwise what was the purpose of our creation? Brother, instead of blaming us, please give logic and facts. And do you know that Islam believes in rebirth? Visit http://Satyagni.com/2110/islam-and-rebirth/
@ashu mian
Thanks for COLORING the site ..as a reward your post receives the color GREEN
jokes apart..please read the articles and critique whatever you find ‘saffronized’
this site is not Allah’s cloudscape ..from where you can pass summary judgments..here you have to put your arguments rationally… for or against ..most welcome!
regards
with reference to http://prophetofdoom.net/Feedback_Muslim_Threats.Islam – the one written by Mr. Omar Sayed
I really wish to understand (and would love to believe) his claim that the Prophet was born for peace on the planet.
I wish to understand the term PEACE in here. Does he seem to refer that once every faith other than Islam is exterminated, there would be PEACE ? i sincerely hope that none of my muslim brothers and sisters would agree to such a heinous thought, but god forbit if anyone does, i just want to ask one question.. what PEACE would it be to first KILL people and then feel the ‘peace’ ?
why is there so much fuss around the word ‘non-believer’ in Islamic dictionary ? i personally feel there is a serious flaw in this ‘non-believer’ word and all that goes along with thar – kill, loot, enslave etc.
consider that this is ONLY meant to be done to ‘non-believers’.. what would they do once all ‘non-believers’ according to them are terminated ??? would it stop there?? i really doubt.. then the only natural thing to happen is in-biting..
even if conditions and times change, that what remains is self nature !! look at taliban.. the Muslim world, it seems to be wanting to have Islam as the faith of Earth.. firstly they would never succeed in such a goal, if at all it exists, but if at all they do, its only then that they would realize that violence was a part of their survival.. and survival instincts would make them turn in to their own brothers and sisters.. eventually self destruction..
actions shud be thought off by self rather than being dictated by someone under any context..
Henceforth, you should be called as Lousi, 🙂 khe khe khe khe khe…………..
What is the defination of “Rational” is your sight Mr. Lousi?
Abay Andhoo may Karaen Raja na banoo, come to the facts………….
Yahan jab koi akar bolta hai to tum saray mil kar us ki martay ho???
Jab itna dam nahi hai k facts aur logics pay bat kar sakoo, to we must have some “alternative treatment ” for you sick people
[…] called Babur becomes such a great issue in this country instead of being an event of pride! Refer Babri Masjid demolition. And then the impotent leadership coupled with loose controls ensure that any other Ajmal or Afzal […]
Why Tulsidas writing Ram Charit Manas just 46 years after Ram Janmabhoomi Temple destruction did not mention Babur?
1) He was not writing current history but translating Valmiki’s Ramayan from Sanskrit to Hindi with his own interpretations
2) The idea was to revive Hindu society with values of Lord Ram and create a revolt for Independence against foreign invaders like Babur of Farghana from Uzbekistan
3) He did not want to vitiate the somewhat amicable atmosphere under Akbar by referring to crimes of his Grandfather, causing backlash on his innocent family and other Hindus
4) In 1767, Jesuit priest Joseph Tieffenthaler recorded Hindus worshiping and celebrating Ramanavami at the site of the mosque. In 1788, Tieffenthaler’s French works were published in Paris, the first to suggest that the Babri Mosque was on the birthplace of Rama[citation needed], saying that “Emperor Aurangzeb got demolished the fortress called Ramkot, and erected on the same place a Mahometan temple with three cuppolas” reclaimed by Hindus through numerous wars after death of Aurangzeb in 1707 A.D like they earlier fortified it during Jahangir’s rule as Ramkot
5) ASI excavation led to a 10th century temple existed at the place where the 16th century Muslim ruler Babur built a mosque in the Indian holy town of Ayodhya!
Abay Chup Karoo……….
Koi Ram Temple nahi tha, agar tha to kuch kyun na mila 32 feets tak khodnay k bad bhee ?
KiI Kaghaz ka bana hua tha wo temple?
Aur agar tha bhe to 400 saal say kia so rahay thay tum log , achanak 1992 may khayal aiya ?
You people are real funny people, and act in a way that you are critized over the world.
Har koi galati karnay k bad us galati ko sahi sabit karnay ki Daleel dhondta hai, the same act is being shown by you sick people.
Khe khe khe khe khe khe 🙂
i have gone through many of the articles given in this blog. what i got from all these messages is that both hindus and muslims are defending their religion and try to demoralize the other. this is not correct i am a hindu and i am very proud to be a hindu but whatever i know about my religion i feel and not only i feel but i believe both god and allah are one this issue started with the question whether there was a ram mandir before the construction of babri masjid or not. it was the work of the historians and archeologists. being a common man i was told in my family that worship god, do good for all, i am not bother whether my friends are muslims or hindus. i ask u a question when we go to a restaurant and order dinner do we ask first who the cook is -a hindu or a muslim? no we usually do not. when we travel in a public bus do we ask the person sitting besides us his or her religion? here also we usually do not. or do we ask who my son’s teacher is ?- a hindu or a muslim. again no. if in daily life we are not bother about this religion then why we are influencing by some of the disturbing elements present in society. india is a very beautiful country. it is like a flower and hindus and muslims are like petals of this flower. if one of the petals is removed the flower would have no importance. today india is developing almost in all areas. we have been chosen for commonwealth games. religion must be a personal affair. we believe in tolerance and non-violence and we ourselves break all our ideals when we face problems. why? why cant we thing something else which would be better for all? what this babri masjid demolition has given to common man? it has given riots, chaos, fight, bloodshed, deaths etc and in this comman mas has victimised. who give a single thought to them no one rather we think of further murders, killings riots to take revenge but this would give more number of dead bodies do we really want more number of dead bodies? we should and must give a rational thought to this question. i found ram in ramzan and ali in diwali. is this not enough for the unity of hindu and muslim in this country? india is a secular country by the constitution of india. we have adopted this ideal in the preamble because our founding fathers promised the citizens of india that after independence of india from british they would get india of their choice and living all communities and religion all together in peace and harmony was on of the demands. no other country in the world has such beautiful combination of different people. so it is my humble reuqest from each and every indian ( i am not saying all hindus and all muslims) to please wake up see, hear and think what is happening around us and try to bring down rather raise such ill activities in this country.
jai hind.
@Mukesh
Your world view is JUST your world view ..there are some ideologies that do not believe in your world view…and that is where the problem lies.
1) You and I live in metros ..you are an accidental Hindu[ since you don’t find it offending that a structure stood on top of your favorite god’s temple..Ask a muslim about how he would feel if a temple is erected after destroying the kaaba ..he would instantly do away with you ‘liberal’ self at the mere mention of it ] and i am a born hindu turned agnostic ..none of us represent the millions of hindus who have come to know that INDEED the babri structure was erected after the demolition of a temple…BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY ..it is not about hindu or muslim ..it is about restoring the symbol that represents our ethos …the question to ask is that you …Are you with babur who killed hundreds of thousands of indians and destroyed their temples and built mosques on top of them to humiliate the natives ..or you would rather associate with Ram who gave up everything for family and the people of his kingdom..the answer is but obvious to any rational mind.
3) I am not Hindu ..but you say that you are a PROUD hindu ..what are you proud of? ..proud of the fact that you don;t believe in reclaiming the temple of your most revered lord ? or ..proud of the feeling that a temple must be a non issue for a ‘proud’ hindu’ ? ..what kind of pride is that !!!
4) you are pretty happy with your secular self ..but are you aware that india is NOT a secular country ? In India your hindu temple money is taken away by government [this law was enacted by the east india company to siphon of our money] ..this same act was amended in indepent India !!!..to give more rights to government to usurp temple money and many times DIVERT it for other cause ..sometimes for erecting minority community religious structures and sometimes secular infrastructure..how proud are you about that fact ? …on the other hand the Funding of evangelical missions and dawah centers is not even audited ..forget about the government taking control over their money ..high time you got your secularism examined !
5)Earlier the waqf board and liberals were shouting from the rooftops that Islam does not allow a masjid to be built on top of temple and if this is proven in court we will give up the claim on the land …all the mainstream media was shouting that the highcourts verdict will be accepted by the muslims and every party must do the same ..BUT AS SOON AS THE VERDICT WAS OUT …it took no more than 10 minutes to change their 20 year stand !! ..they ridiculed your secular courts. your secular archeological agencies…and waqf board came out with it’s true colors ..They said they would not give up the land as it is Allah’s land …..So it does not matter to a ‘proud hindu’ like you if your temple was broken to erect that mosque ..BUT IT MATTERS every bit to the secular waqf board that EVEN IF the temple was destroyed becomes known as a fact ..they would not relinquish the land
what does rational mind get from this : Islam does allow destruction of other peoples religious places of worship and build mosques on top of them and after that it becomes Allah’s land ..how secular does that sound to a ‘proud hindu’ like mr. mukesh?
6) Since i am an agnostic ..for me the more important issue for hindus must be to stop the government from usurping temple money and understanding the meaning of a ‘proud hindu’ correctly.
7) let discussions be open and focused towards humanity and human values ..let extreme voices be mellowed down and irrational arguments be corrected ..if you are indeed secular and democratic …respect the freedom of expression and the moral obligation to be truthful and sane that comes along with it
best regards
I know there was a Mosque, and dont know whether there was any temple or not…
I also believe that it is fictitious story that Babri Mosque was made after erection of a temple..
If there was any temple, some proof would have been found, but nothing found, which could support fictitious story of these people…
@A True Muslim
You know many things but you dont know most important thing. All the three judges of the bench of Allahbaad High Court accepted that there was a temple and the mosque was built by using the ruins of the destructed temple.
You might not know about the temple but do you know whether Muhammad, angels, heaven, hell etc existed/exist or not? Have you ever asked for proof from Mullahs about their existence?
If you dont find any proof of splitting of moon by Muhammad, his sky journey on a flying donkey, Jesus without father, and still you believe in these characters and stories, why do you ask proofs from hindus for their beliefs?
@A True Muslim
1) All three Judges agreed unequivocally that a temple existed where the mosque was erected ..while two judges were categorical that the temple was destroyed to erect the mosque the third judge (Honble. Justice Khan) said that it was built on ‘ruins’ of a temple
so there is not doubt that there existed a temple ..the only disagreement is on whether it was on top of ‘ruins’ or the temple was ‘ruined’ and then the structure built on top of it.
the ASI carried out excavations infront of of the BAC and other parties. not only that ..foreign archeologists were invited to avoid any kind of bias ..and the Truth was out. The communist historians tried to discredit the findings ..again ASI engaged foreign investigators to do an independent research and yet again it was proved that a temple was destroyed to erect that structure.
Its no news that ghazis used to destroy temples to build mosques : even our class eight students know that :
you are free to hold you independent ill-informed opinion ..but then it remains ..just an opinion
You need to visit Quwwat-ul-islam mosque to know more about the exploits of muslim rulers.
Bingo!
This is to all muslim morons, and liberal sickular pseudo intellects.
Ram was not there in history, ram is poetic imagination.(kavi kalpana) That particular place in ayodhya doesnt guarantee of rams birth. ACCEPTED. i DONT care for ram or his janmabhoomi. I just want to demolish that mosque as a signpost of foreign aggression. There is another mosque in delhi, the oldest mosque in India, the “quwaat ul islam” mosque. The POWER of islam mosque. Built on the ruins of 27 hindu and jain temples, and the murtis idols were used as stairs for the mosque . This was after mohammed ghori defeated prithviraj chauhan, the last hindu ruler of India.
FACT. My hindu religion got wiped out from afghanistsn, pakistan, bangladesh and now kashmir. I got an equal right to wipe out islam, EVERY single mosque from rest of India. Justice is when you to to others what others do to you.
Hell with hinduism and hell with islam. I worship stone idols, you destroy them, ridicule them, I destroy and ridicule your mosques. Babri was NOT a mosque. Patthar tha jo apni hifazat nahi kar sakta.
it’s only the self serving or the people who haven’t bothered fully studying their scriptures that are trying to incite communal tension. for the most part ayodhya’s citizens who actually have to live in the city are not looking for conflict: http://dharmadeen.com/2010/09/30/ayodhya/
Namaste Ravi
You haven’t read the article at all! the article asserts that it’s a not a communal issue.It exhorts all indians to take a stand against the barbarian landmarks.period.