Babri Masjid demolition – Symbol of Hindu-Muslim unity

If someone is to ask Satyagni what has been the greatest episode of Hindu-Muslim solidarity ever, the reply would be unambiguous and clear.

Now I am not a professional historian like Romila Thapar or DN Jha. I am also not an eye-witness to the centuries of invasions of India by lovers of art like Muhammad bin Qasim, Ghori, Ghazni, Allauddin Khilji, Mughals and Nadir Shah to name a few. So I may not have full details of all the episodes and examples of Hindu-Muslim solidarity that have happened in last 1400 years of emergence of Islam.

Thus I would also not get into the debate of whether Islam was spread in India through sword as alleged by Hindu ‘fundamentalists’ or through artistic performances of tribal invaders of West Asia as claimed by Zakir Naiks and ‘secular’ historians of JNU.

But I simply cannot recall anything that can surpass this event as the most exemplary episode of Hindu-Muslim solidarity. Do not be surprised. I am referring to the destruction of Babri Masjid on the auspicious day of 6th December 1992.

This was the grand day when thousands of noble hearted patriotic Hindus demolished the structure which has been the greatest insult for Bharat and Islam for centuries. They did this at the cost of a torturous trial in courts for ages, condemnation from entire media mafia that rules this country and political/social/cultural victimization. But regardless of all these perils ahead, they went forth and destroyed the stigma that should have been destroyed by Muslims long ago.

I would appeal to the government to officially declare 6th December as Hindu-Muslim Unity Day or Day of Pride or Bravery Day.

Wait…wait…wait! Some of you may be thinking that Satyagni has gone mad or devilish to proclaim destruction of a place of worship of Islam by Hindus as a day of Hindu-Muslim solidarity! You may be demanding explanations for such a seemingly preposterous statement. That is coming. Read on.

I will not get into the debate of whether a Ram Mandir actually existed on the spot of Babri Masjid.

I will also not debate whether Sri Ram – the greatest icon for entire humanity – was actually born here or somewhere else.

I will also not argue if a Ram Mandir should be constructed here or a hospital should be made as suggested by many intellectuals.

These are points which are completely irrelevant to this issue. Unfortunately these have been the points over which time has been wasted for years and they still continue to be in prime focus.

The bottom-line however is that even if one proves that there was no Mandir on this spot or Ram took birth in some other country, still Babri Masjid would have deserved outright destruction the moment India got independence. Kar Sewaks merely did the work that government should have done 45 years ago.

And the reason is that Babri Masjid is NOT a masjid or mosque in first place. Because Babur was not a Muslim in first place. He would long have been stoned to death if he were to live today in any Muslim country!

In reality, Babur was a disgrace in name of Islam. To know Babur better, let us not depend on claims of Hindu ‘fundamentalists’ or biased ‘right-winged’ historians. Let us instead hear from the horse’s mouth. Let us review the autobiography of Babur – Baburnama – which is available in all prominent languages.

For purpose of this article, we shall refer to the English translation by Annette Susannah Beveridge published in 1922. This translation was done directly from whatever portions of original Turkish manuscript were available. These suffice to establish the true character of Babur. You can download a scanned copy from http://www.archive.org/details/baburnama017152mbp

Babur – the homosexual drunkard child molester

The autobiography clearly establishes Babur as a compulsive homosexual child molester. So those defending Babri Masjid should first clearly explain if Islam justifies homosexuality and child-molestation. If not, Babur was a disgrace in name of Islam and hence any structure constructed by him is also a disgrace in name of Islam.

1. In Page 120-121 of the biography he says that he was not much interested in his wife but was maddened by a boy named Babri. He confesses that he had not loved anyone like he was mad for this boy. He used to compose verses in love of the boy. For example: “There has been no lover except me who is so sad, passionate and insulted. And there is no one more cruel and wretched than my lover!”

2. He says that Babri used to come ‘close’ to him and that used to make Babur so excited that he could not even utter a word. Because of being intoxicated, he could not even thank Babri for his show of love.

3. Once Babur was roaming with his friends when Babri came in front of him in a lane. Babur had loss of speech and could not even look at him due to excitement. He narrated:”I get embarrassed looking at my lover. My friends leer at me and I leer someone else.”

4. He admits that in passion and desire of youth, he got mad and used to roam around naked head and naked foot without even looking at anything else.

5. He writes, ”I used to get mad in excitement and passion. I could not think that lovers have to face this. I could not go away from you, nor can I stay with you due to high level of excitement. You have made me completely mad, O my (male) lover!”

Now this proves beyond doubt that:

A. Babur and his gang were homosexual and child molesters. Punishment for these, as per Islamic Shariat, is death by stoning. This is prevalent even today in Islamic countries.

B. Babri Masjid is nothing but a memoir in name of Babur’s sex-partner.

Does Islam consider monuments created by or named after such sexual perverts to be mosques or symbols of shame?

Hence, it is clear that Babri Masjid was nothing but a symbol of homosexuality and child-molestation. I do not know who were the people behind its destruction. But whosoever they may be, they have destroyed a structure of shame for Hindus and Muslims alike.

It is a matter of greatest shame that a structure which is symbolic of India being defeated by sexual perverts was considered to be a heritage site. If this be so, then perhaps the Mumbai CST where Pakistani terrorists fired openly on innocent crowd would be the next ‘heritage’ spot to be named ‘Kasab’ bhoomi!

Babur – the barbaric killer, looter, rapist, drunkard and drug-addict

(Only a few samples from this barbaric vulgar autobiography of Babur are being provided as it is too brutal and gross for detailed reading.)

– Page 232: He writes that his gang beheaded the innocent Afghans who came to him for truce, and then created a pillar from these heads. The same feat was repeated in Hangu where 200 Afghan heads were killed to create a pillar.

– Page 370: Because people of Bajaur did not believe in Islam, more than 3000 people were murdered and their wives and children were taken as captives.

– Page 371 – Several heads of captured people were sent to Kabutl, Balkh and other places to spread news of victory.

– Page 371 – A tower of cut heads was setup on ground to celebrate victory.

– Page 371 – There was a wine party on Muharram where we drank whole night. (Translator notes here that Babur was a heavy drunkard till end of his life). A large portion of Baburnama describes these wine parties.

– Page 373 – Babur took such intoxicants once that he could not go even for prayers. He further says that had he taken such intoxicants today, he would not have produced half the intoxication.

– Page 374 – Babur fathered several children from several women in his brothel. His first wife promised to adopt all these illegitimate children, whenever they are born in future, because several children born to her could not live. It looks as if Babur’s brothel was akin to a poultry farm for chicken production!

– Page 385-388 – Babur was so happy with birth of Humayun that he went to a boat with his friends and drank wine whole night and ate narcotics. Then they fought with each other due to intoxication and party broke up. After a similar party, he vomited a lot and forgot everything by morning.

– Page 527 – A party was given in the pillared porch of the domed building in Agra (referring to Taj Mahal falsely associated with Shah Jahan)

Almost all pages of his autobiography describe how he looted, threatened, murdered and plundered wherever he went and ate ‘haram’ meat. Note that the way Babur includes all this in his autobiography implies that he was proud of all this. One would shudder to imagine what all other crimes he had committed that do not form part of this self-eulogizing biography.

Summary

A. Babur was anything but follower of Islam, going by his misdeeds that can put any human to shame. And if indeed some perverts assert that Babur was still a Muslim as per their definition of Islam, then there can be nothing more disgusting than that definition of Islam.

B. Babri Masjid, named after Babur’s homosexual partner Babri, is a symbol of sexual perversion of a murderer and rapist. To call it a ‘heritage’ and implicating those who destroyed such a symbol of ‘barbaric perversion’ demonstrates how wretched we have become down the course of history. What can be said of a family that glorifies the person who r**** their ‘mother’, makes him part of their textbooks to glorify their history and resolves to protect those sites as ‘heritage’ which relate to incidents of that r***. (Am sorry for harsh language, but nothing else could describe this worship of looters better.)

C. Muslims should embrace RSS/VHP and all those so-called ‘right’ winged forces for creating a movement for or actually taking part in destruction of this symbol of ‘shame’ which was a slur in name of Islam for centuries.

D. Muslims lost a big chance by failing to destroy Babri Masjid and had to depend on ‘right’ forces to safeguard their dignity as religion of ‘peace’ and ‘character’. But now they should be proactive and destroy the other two symbols of shame at Mathura and Kashi, followed by thousands of others fake mosques/ tombs erected by other pervert sex-maniac, barbarics, looters, killers and criminals like Aurangzeb, Shah Jahan, Jahangir, Akbar, Humayun and all other terrorist rulers from Muhammad Bin Qasim onwards.

E. The autobiography of Babur suffices to exemplify how Islam spread in India. Ideally, all Muslims of India should revert back to their original Dharma – the Dharma of humanity – the Vedic Dharma – jettisoning the cult brought by such perverted invaders.

But even if that be a bit too early to initiate due to prevailing social/ political and economic constraints coupled with misinformation, at the least they should:

– Stop living in delusion that Islam spread by anything except sword and stop associating themselves with perverted misdeeds of these looters and terrorists. Even if Muslims prefer to remain Muslims, at the least, stop calling these criminals Muslims and their noble ancestors. Instead associate with our true noble ancestors like Ram and Krishna.

– Stop visiting all those mosques and monuments that were constructed by these perverted terrorists

– Stop believing that these perverted psychopaths did any artistic construction and realize that all these monuments in name of these invaders were actually ancient buildings captured by them.

– And finally, initiate a movement to start demolishing all those mosques which were constructed by these terrorists as this is greatest insult to all-powerful Allah. Kashi and Mathura would be exemplary beginning.

I appeal to all Muslim brothers and sisters to join hand with these ‘right’ forces who destroyed or called for destruction of symbol of shame on Islam – Babri Masjid – and take this greatest example of Hindu-Muslim solidarity a step ahead. These ‘right’ forces are the greatest friends of Muslims and true patriots of country.

I also appeal to all – Hindus and Muslims – to proactively start celebrating December 6 as “Dignity Day”, “Hindu-Muslim Solidarity Day” or “National Glory Day”. Muslims can observe this day as “Glory to Islam Day”!

Vande Mataram

Disclaimer

This post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives. It also borrows for books on history, most of which are in public-domain.

We believe that most religious texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by some of his fanatic followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently. Some even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by many dominant elite of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false intolerant representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of the post.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

289 COMMENTS

akkisanatana August 22, 2010 At 9:51 pm

Quite interesting topic!!

- ismail September 20, 2010 At 10:13 pm
  
  son of bitches you hindu mother fuckers
  
  - tauqeer September 21, 2010 At 10:43 pm
    
    Ismail it does not befit a muslim to speak this filthy langauge.follow INNALLAH MA SABREEN.There are innumeramble occasions when prophet pbuh was most polite even when insults were heaped on him.Hope in future you would not repeat this.Instead talk with reasoning in most reasonable manner.A true follower of any religion whether it is vedic religion,islam,or christianity or any other religion will not speak in this language.It is strictily prohibited in Islam.Do you forget that we call JESUS CHRIST ISA ALLEHSALM OR ISARUHULLAH(the most pious soul )pbuh,We call MOSES MUSAALLEHSALAM OR MUSA KALIMULLAH (the one who talks to god almighty) pbuh,we call DAVID DAWOODALLEHSALAM OR DAWOOD KHALIFATULLAH(khalifa of god almighty)pbuh,NOHA of BIBLE OR NUH ALLEHSSALM OF QURAN OR NUHUNNAJIULLAH pbuh are by many probabilities same as MANU OF HINDU SCRIPTURES as many insidence in his life as discribed in Quran and Bible are matching with hindu scriptures.Have you ever seen any muslim a child or adult/educated or totally illetrate speaking a single word of dishonour about any of these prophets this even when some followers of other religions who follow these prophets( PEACE BE ON ALL OF THEM) use most filthy langauge for our beloved prophet pbuh. The former is islamic culture and not the language of filth.Please remember this always.ALHAMDULLILAH your name is of one of our prophets ISMAILZABIULLAH pbuh(sacrifised in the name god the almighty).
  - raji bichu September 22, 2010 At 3:43 pm
    
    Tauqeer, i appreciate the honour you have for all Religions.
    And i believe if each one of us respect and honour each other, that could give a solution to all the communal problems in our country.
  - Tanveer September 22, 2010 At 8:15 pm
    
    You are right raji bichu but the problem is that few people dont want peace. They are heel bent on creating tension in this beautiful country. You can see yourself how false information is being circulated on this website. Anyways, the makers of this website is living in fools paradise.
  - Whatupmabitches? September 22, 2010 At 11:28 pm
    
    Try telling that to muslims who believe killing INFIDELS is justifiable. LOL you make me laugh.
  - Shahbazullah Khan September 28, 2010 At 3:12 pm
    
    As Salam alikum To All My Friends
    
    Please Read
    
    BABER MASJID-REAL STORY
    1949 On December 23rd, Muslims finished their night prayer and left to their home. A shock was waiting for them, who came for fajr prayer. Inside the Mosque a mob kept Rama, Laxamana, Sita statues and claimed that their God took avatar (appeared) inside the mosque and they started agitating against innocent Muslims.
    
    An FIR was filed at faizabad police station. Afterwards central and state government banned Muslims to conduct prayer inside the mosque and this became one of the important issue in Indian history.
    
    Then Innocent Hindu’s mind were brain-washed with hatred feeling against Muslims by spreading a false propaganda that “Babri Majid was built by demolishing Ram Temple”
    
    If the propaganda of Saffron Group ” Babri majid was built after demolishing Ram Temple” is true then no Muslims will fight for this issue. Because in Islam, demolishing other religious Temple is strictly prohibited. Due to their false claim about Ram Temple, Muslims are fighting to get back their mosque.
    
    We don’t want to divert the subject by exposing the comment of Chatterji, AK majumdhar, Nehru that RAM is an imaginary character.
    
    Because the subject is to discuss by doing research whether any Ram temple exists in the disputed location ? Whether Majid was built in that location by demolishing Ram temple? Not about the existence of Ram or whether it is imaginary character or not!!!
    
    Even Ram is an imaginary character; no Muslims will accept the demolition of Ram temple and build a mosque in that location.
    
    Was Ram born at Ayodhya ?
    
    We’ll see how the claim of Ram born in that disputed location will be true.
    Whatever the decision Hindus want to take, it should not be fundamentally taken from the comment of RSS or any other saffron organization. It should be taken from Hindus Vedas and Purunas. In fact, it would be opposite to Hindu ideology, if some decision taken apart from this jurisdiction of Vedas.
    
    Valmiki wrote first about Ram and his words explained everything about Ram in crystal clear format. Valmiki explained in his Ramayana that he born at DHIREDHA Yuga.
    A basic measurement unit of time, to denote the Hindu’s belief of time is Yuga. There are four Yugas.
    
    Kirudha yuga 17,28,000 ( 17 lakhs, 28 thousands ) years
    Dhiredha Yuga 12,96,000 ( 12 lakhs, 96 thousand) years
    Duvaba Yuga 8,64,000 ( 8 lakhs, 64 thousand ) years
    Kali Yuga 4,32,000 ( 4 lakhs, 32 thousand ) years
    
    Now we are living in the time of Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga starts before 3102 years of Christ. Now 2009 finished after Christ. So 5110 years finished after kali yuga starts.
    
    Duvaba yuga was before Kali Yuga and Ram didn’t born during this time. Before this was Dhiredha Yuga and even Ram born during last stage of this Yuga and according to Valmiki Ramayana’s Judgment ” Ram should have born before 8,69,110 years ( 8,64,000 + 5110 )
    
    Like Valmiki Ramayana told about Ram’s Yuga, he specified the birth place too that is “He born at Ayodhya city ”
    That means ” Ayodhya” should exists before 8 Lakhs, 64 thousand years. A report was submitted on 1976, 77 by central government archeological department regarding ” when Ayodhya appeared?”. This report in its 52, 53 page explained that “A place name called Ayodhya in which people started dwelling was before 700 BC.
    That means, before 2708 years, there would be no Ayodhya according to their archeological research.
    
    Afterwards this was re-researched by C.P.Lal and K.N Theetjit , a notable historian. They also found that it was true whatever the archeological department found.
    
    Valmiki told that Ram born before 8 lakhs 69 thousand years at Ayodhya, but it is crystal clear that there was nothing called Ayodhya at that time.
    
    How Hindus can conclude by neglecting Ramayana and archeological finding?
    
    The age of this Ayodhya is 2708 years. But this is not the one explained by Ramayana. May be it is in different place. It is general to find many places in the same name. By considering these facts, they have to come for conclusion, which will not contradict with Ramayana and research facts.
    There is lot of testimonials in Ramayana that Ram born at Ayodhya which is different from the existing one.
    While speaking about Ayodhya, Ramayana spoke about Sarayu River. Sarayu River exists 1.5 yojan distances from Ayodhya. (1.5 yojan means 23 kilometers )
    
    Even though there’s one river called Sarayu at Ayodhya, it’s running inside the city, not 23 kilometers away from the city.
    
    That means, Ayodhya and Sarayu River told by Ramayana is not the existing one. Ramayana teachings will be correct when you believe Sarayu River flows 23 kilometers away from Ayodhya.
    
    People are simply neglecting Hinduism, if they consider existing Ayodhya is same like Ayodhya explained in Ramayana.
    Also Valmiki Ramayana explains that “ Sarayu River join with Ganga”. But this Sarayu River mingles with Raabthi River. What we learnt from this? Ramayana doesn’t denote this Ayodhya and Sarayu river. Also Valmiki Ramaya explains Sarayu river flows from east to west. But Sarayu river in UP flow from west to east.
    
    A researcher, Saer Singh Identified a truth. There is one Ayodhya at Nepal. 20 kilometers away from that city one river is flowing from east to west. Also it mingles with Ganga.
    So, those who believe Ram born at Ayodhya, which is at Uttarpradesh, are neglecting Ramayana and its ideology.
    
    Real Ayodhya should be one, which was explained by the Ramayana with all testimonials.
    
    was Ram temple existed at Ayodhya ?
    Babar Majid was build at 1528. We’ll see whether any truth present with the opinion of ” Mir Baahi” a minister of Baber, who was accused for demolishing Ram Temple in the disputed location”
    RSS claimed that Ram temple was built by king Vikramathithya. Vikramathidya is general name like Chola,Pandya kings. Chandra Gupta, samutra Gupta kings are called in the name of Vikramathidya.
    They contradict in specifying the actual king who really built the Ram temple. There is not fact in their claim.
    Gupta kings ruled some part of U.P during the period 300 AD to 1100 AD. These kings who ruled for 800 years are called as Vikramathidya.
    During the period 300 AD to 1100 AD, there was not even a smell of human at Ayodhya, according to the chief of Indian Archeological department.
    P.P Lal who submitted research report and was published at famous magazines” The Week” (25.02.1990) and “Sunday Times” (20.11.1987 ). In that report, after showing several evidences, he was confidently explained that, at Ayodhya during that period of 300 – 1100 AD, there was no human, building, temple or anything.
    In some place, which is untouched by human, how can they build a temple? How Baber can demolish a temple which was not existed? I request Hindu Brothers and sisters to think about this.
    
    When Ram was worshipped as God?
    If temple to be built for Ram, it should be built after Ram was worshipped as God. Now Hindus are worshiping Ram as God, but they didn’t do it before. Ram was not considered as God, Especially during the period of 300-1100 AD, which was claimed by RSS, the time when Ram temple was built.
    Amar Simha of AD 600, released many Sanskrit Poetry resources in the name of ” Amara Kosa”. In that, those who are worshipped as God in India were specified. Ram name was not in the list. So Hindus during that period were not considering Ram as GOD’s Avatar and its considered as big testimonial.
    A Sadhu called Lakhsmidhar, collected the information of all sacred place up to 11th century (until last time of Gupta Dynasty). Ayodhya Ram temple is not existed in that.
    If Ram temple was build during Gupta period, why it was not included in the list of sacred place?
    Same like that, S.S.Iyer , a notable research scholar, published book called ” Indian Temples, Historic notes”. He didn’t specify anything about Ram temple. He noted five temples which was built by Vikramathidya. Ayodhya Ram temple is not there.
    At 1989 November 12, IAS officer Ramachandra Kadri wrote one article at “Radiance”. He referred so many evidences with Encyclopedia like Britannica and comment that only after 1100 AD, Ram was worshipped as God.
    That means, until the last period of Gupta kings, Ram was not worshipped as God. Can any Hindu who has real conscience, believe that Ram temple was build during the Gupta period?
    If we want to tell more clearly, Valmiki wrote Ramayana in Sanskrit. Sanskrit was not popularly spoken by all people and only Brahmins knew about that. Because of this Ram was not considered as God.
    Valmiki Ramayana was translated and released in Hindi by Tulsi Das. After that, Ramayana was very famous among people. After Tulsi Das translated Ramayana in Hindi, people start considering Ram as God’s Avatar.
    What’s the time of Tulsi Das ? Tulsi Das Lived during the period of Baber (in Ayodhya ), which was claimed for demolition of Ram temple. Baber ruled during 1500 AD and Tulsi was living under that rule.
    Ramayana was translated in Hindi during the rule of Baber and that time Ram was not considered as God. So it becomes true that Hindu people didn’t have any knowledge about him.
    How Ram was worshiped as GOD when Ramayana was not spread across people? How temple was build for him? Dear Hindu Brothers and sisters, think about this.
    India’s first president was Dr. Radha Krishnan. His son Gopal who was good Hindu devotee and very good research scholar too. In his research article, he proclaimed that “There was no temple for Ram before 1750 AD, in any part of India. He confidently declared that “All Ram temple belongs to 18th century”.
    if Ram temple was not existed before 200 years, how Baber demolish Ram temple at Disputed location of Ayodhya. I request every citizen, to think about this.
    The truth is, the foundation of Babri Majid was laid by Ibrahim Lodi, on 1524. He was unable to continue the service for long time and he was killed in war by Baber. Then, Baber build a Majid, with the foundation laid by Ibrahim Lodi. So it is untrue to tell that Baber demolished the temple.
    
    Will Baber Demolish temple ?
    So far, the evidences provided here is enough for everyone, who can really able to distinguish between good and bad. For debate purpose, even though if any temple was there in the disputed location, Baber would not demolish that.
    Because, in same Ayothya, for five temples like Hunumangiri ,Jenmasthan, Baber provided incentives by writing in brass . This been safeguarded still now by temple management and was reiterated with evidences by Ramrasha Thiribathi.
    How a person will demolish a temple, who provided incentives to many temples?
    Also the population of Muslims during Baber reign would be meager when compared with present population. Sovereignty of the kingdom will be maintained only by the support of majority Hindus. Baber would be thrown-out from his throne, by agitators of Hindu Majority, if their temple was demolished. No king will be involved in such activities, if he really wants to retain his power.
    Hindus during that time were not involved in any riots or agitation, but only welcomed all Mughal heirs like Babar, his son Humayun, his son Akbar. This shows the courtesy and kindness were showered by Mughal emperors towards Hindu majority.
    During the last time of Baber, he wrote one WILL to his son Humayun written in Persian language and it is been preserved still today at Central government’s National museum at Delhi. In that he gave advise as “Dear son, you are going to rule a country where Hindus are in majority. They are respecting COW as God. So don’t eat Cow’s meat (Beef) at any instance.
    How a Good Citizen can believe that Baber demolished a temple, who advised his son to renounce the eating habit of Cow’s meat (beef)?
    Guru Nanak who founded Sikh religion was considered as big enemy during Baber’s reign. He rigorously opposed Baber, especially for the issues related with women. If Baber demolished the temple, he would have indicated that with his strong resentment. But history commenting that he went to Ayodhya and enjoyed the beauty of Babri Majid’s Structure.
    Person like him who lived in those years only knew that whether Baber constructed Majid by demolishing temple. In such case, he would never enjoy its building structure.
    Some falsely imagine and claim that people didn’t oppose the rule because of Babar’s tyrant nature.
    Baber was neither hated by Hindu people nor was he was a tyrant king. This is the truth. For debate purpose, if we consider Baber was a tyrant king, it would not be true.
    After Baber, his kingdom was ruled by his son Humayun. After 25 years of Baber’s death, his grandson Akbar ruled the kingdom. He gave up Islam and was following New Religion Din-ilahi, for which he was the founder. Akbar was like a Hindu king and even he got appreciation from many saffron organizations.
    If Baber demolished the temple, it should have been noticed by many people who lived during the period of Akbar too. They don’t need to worry about Akbar and they would have asked to rebuild the temple which was demolished by his grandfather. Surely, Akbar would have satisfied such people, if his grandfather would have demolished such structure. People could have requested, only if temple was demolished!!! But there happened no such incidents.
    We’ll leave that. Even after the Mughals era was ended by Britishers, this issue was not raised by anyone until 1948. There was no case registered too.
    In 200 years rule of British:
    No case was registered during British rule against the demolition of mosque and nobody requested British government to get back their temple.
    Problem suddenly rose to its full vigor only after December 23, 1949, when a mob placed Ram idol inside the mosque.
    In Ayodhya there are more than 30 Temples which manifest about Ram’s birth place. Hindu scholars identified many places as Ram’s birth place and they didn’t include Babri Majid among them.
    This was the reality, until saffron group diverted the attention of Hindus by such false claims.
    Saffron Group discovered that by evoking extreme hatred among Hindus and Muslims, they can capture the opportunity to rule India from Congress. Finally they captured the rule by cheating innocent Hindu citizens who believe that” All the glitters are Gold “.
    
    Dear Hindu Brothers and Sisters!!!
    We’ll strive to preserve the UNITY.
    We’ll neglect communal forces, which have vested interest in creating extreme friction to the development of our country.
    We’ll work hard for the economic development of our country and for its prosperous future.
    
    SOURCE: http://www.tntj.net
    
    -English Translation Shahbazullah Khan
    
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    Thanks & Regards
    
    Shahbazullah Khan
  - neha September 28, 2010 At 7:56 pm
    
    i totally agree wid u Shahbazullah Khan.. if we go on fighting lyk this how will the country develop.. even if its lord ram’s birthplace nobody has a right to demolish masjid that was built almost 400 yrs ago.. all this corruption is hppening due to politicians who, instead of promoting peace in the country, are spreading ill feelings among hindus and muslims.. when will this issue stop?.. its the youngsters of our country who have to take the lead..
    India is a secular country.. what impression will the other countries get if we go on lyk this..
    i hope everybody will understand this and contribute towards the development of india.. and this is only possible if we o beyond the social barrier……
  - Arya September 28, 2010 At 8:42 pm
    
    @neha
    Sister, since you belong to secular lobby, it is expected from you that you will condemn demolition of Masjid with your greatest force but will not say even a single word for demolition of temple. This issue will stop only when secular like you will stop beating their chests for their impotency and start realizing the truth.
  - Indian Agnostic September 28, 2010 At 9:28 pm
    
    Mohtarma Neha,
    
    Wake up!
    
    India is not a ‘secular’ country but it practices a very skewed indigenous version of the same.Get educated on ‘savra dharma sambhava’
    
    sarva dharma sambhava enables the government to:
    
    1) sanction Haj subsidies , which will now go directly to Saudi Airlines (Air India has lost the order as ‘secular’ Indian Muslims did not want Indian Airlines to get any business out of it ) BUT not provide any subsidies for amarnath yatra !
    2) usurp all the money offered at Hindu temples BUT turn a blind eye to west and Saudi funded Churches and Mosques
    3) Condemn the attempt to burn the quran in USA BUT turn a blind eye to the killing of hindus and demolition of their durga pandals in west bengal
    4) Make a national hero of Afzal Guru BUT ignore the plight of the widows of the security personnel who died protecting the parliament
    5)Go all the way to Kashmir to talk to separatist sunni muslims who want nothing less than Nizam-e-mustafa (Prophets governance – sharia etc.) in Kashmir BUT ignore the Kashmiri pandits living as refugees in their own country who were thrown out of the valley violently by their ‘secular’ muslim brothers
    
    secularism and appeasement are NOT synonymous! …wake up
  - khan October 1, 2010 At 5:26 pm
    
    The Nude murti’s were built as a way of entertainment centers, because there were no theators, pubs and movies to watch. Hence these so called temples were the places for the people to go and watch the nudity and enjoy the art as in todays world we go to movies or pubs. Now, the hindu (migrated tribes – those who argue please read the history) has turned into worshippers of idols. those Idols who exist on the mercy of bhakts. What a shame on the part of educated stupids.
  - Arya October 1, 2010 At 6:00 pm
    
    Khan
    What about Kaba idol which exists at the mercy of their Bhakts and what about those thousands of graves which are visited and worshipped by millions of Muslims?
    
    Anyway, if you want to know about Dharm of Vedas, please refer http://Satyagni.com/1634/vedic-religion/
  - Indian Agnostic October 1, 2010 At 6:43 pm
    
    @khan
    
    1. Even at the time of prophet there were no multiplexes ..while the idolators worshipped nude murtis ..the prophet brought in a nude 6 year old gal home to fondle ..which one og these is not only stupid BUT DISGUSTING for an educated mind?
    
    2. worshiping a nude stone is a lesser sin than lusting and sleeping with a little gal ..don’t you agree?
    
    next time you talk about ‘educated minds’ ..please ensure that your post reflects that you are one
    
    best regards
  - Ajay October 1, 2010 At 9:36 pm
    
    KHAN BROTHER there is much VULGARITY in your KAABA AND MASJID do you know the RIGHT HAND OF ALLAH IDOL kept in KAABA, which the UMMAH says guides the believers in their prayers really is the vagina of Goddess VENUS/ISHTAR, the day of this goddess is Friday, on which day the Muslim keep Sabbath. Black stone with silver casing inspired Mohammad to support
    female circumcision.
    
    Your MASJID IS ALSO FILLED WITH SEX SYMBOLS like the minarets are symbol of ALLAH’S OR NIMROD’S PENIS and the DOME is symbol of Boobs (Babri Masjid’s dome is the biggest example of this). That is why SWITZERLAND banned Minarets because of aggressive phallic symbolism .
    
    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/42435
  - Ajay October 1, 2010 At 9:58 pm
    
    KHAN BROTHER do you know ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY has come from the most perverted PHALLIC SEX CULT OF BABYLON see the below link with PICTURES
    
    http://therr9.wordpress.com/tag/theology/
    
    hxxp//chriswillard.multiply.com/journal/item/279/?&item_id=279&view:replies=reverse
    
    if you want more details about this topic there are very good books one of the book is:
    
    MOON-O-THEISM RELIGION OF A WAR AND MOON GOD PROPHET YEOL NATAN
    
    This is a COOL BOOK ABOUT ISLAM
    .
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 9:02 pm
    
    @khan, thankyou we are educated stupids
  - sanatanaakki September 30, 2010 At 9:37 pm
    
    @neha
    
    secular people like u will never understand what u people are loosing day by day!!
    
    U keep hand on your heart and think..on what is say
    
    1) How many Muslim countries world have.?
    2) How many Christians countries world have?
    3) ANY JEWISH COUNTRY?
    4) Buddhist countries?
    5) WHere is our Hindu country?
    
    Don’t we have right to have our own hindu country…today many places are demanding diff states as majority of population is converted to either muslim or christian..
    
    Its time to wake up for sickular dream or day will come when u dont have a place to live ur very home hindustan will be divided into so many pieces and u will only cry…
    
    JAI SHREE RAm
  - ABHISHEK September 29, 2010 At 9:22 pm
    
    how could you say that these historians are true and non biased?
    do you know that even well known american historians have claimed that prophet pbuh!
    didnt existed 1400 years ago
    many of the ex- muslims have evidentially proved that islam is nothing but a second hand book of judaism.
    how could you claim that your religion exists.
    a cheap example
    all the people who are born judas will have the privilege to go of heaven
    All the muslims will go in jannat
    the second thing your religion says
    surrender and submission
    surrender
    if you believe that one should surrender to allah then what are the tasks given by allah
    dont demolish other holysites of others
    you say that
    do you know india once existed
    upto afghanistan (actually from eastern europe to east asia during vikramaditya’s reign, now dont say who was he ? or the historians said their was no vikram since people like you may even ask evidences 4 d the holy prophet,go to wikipedia images), but your cheap congress biased historians were not paid to say beyond afghanistan, so lets proceed
    what happened to the temples ? is the islamic republic govt. taking care of mohan jodaro or harappa sites. oh my god when it comes to muslim majority the nation should be islamic, but when hindu majority dharmnirpeksha rashtra.thios is the sacrifice of your religion.(one eye ordered).because it is written in quran thats why other religions are false and your religion is the purest.
    sabhi musalmaan jannat jayenge. kyo waha par bhi aarakshan chalta hai kya?
    sacrifice
    most of the carnivores and omnivores are found in your religion.
    you call killing n animal a sacrifice, as your prophet said, but my dear brother if instead of killing an animal on the day of eid al ajuha, if you sacrifice your own blood (blood donation) will your allah become angry, or it is a satanic act, or you consider that by that you will be no longer muslim?
    in fact not killing an animal is a huge sacrifice for a follower who regularly kills valid animals.
    i wont excuse even hindus on the name of caste argue “hamare yaha par allowed hai”
    but in the religious scriptures of hindus there is no permission to kill animals for meal.
    your dr. zakir naik had commented that sacrificing animals has been depicted in the vedas at the indication of ashvamedha, when he doesnt knows sanskrit how could he make false claims, sacrifice or tyaag in hinduism was earlier considered as giving a fresh healthy live stock to other poor person for use in domestic purposes like milking, labour, driving and cloth.
    but centuries after centuries people around india like west & central asians and beyond europe derived the word daan as kurbaani or sacrifice. which as per their destructive minds became giving a creature to brahman or brahma or god, and they went on the conception of killing animals , as per the islam religions god is separate from this world. isiliye unme khudaai nahi hote or sabse zyada paap wahi karte hai. and so,instead of donating an animal to a person, they send it to god.
    many non veggys argue that eating a goat, and other valid animals is a food chain, then my dear, kya food chain yahi khatam ho jaati hai, agar koi sher insaan ko khale to kisi bhi desh ki govt use aadamkhor declare kr deti hai?
    kyo bhai kabhi early man sher bhaloo, magarmachh ka nashta hua karta tha. ab agar koi bhi jaanvar apko kha le to usko marwa diya jaega isliye because vote nahi de sakta aur apke relatives bharat ke voter hai?
    jaha bolna chahiye waha aap dimag nahi lagayenge bas ram ji nakli the muhammad sahab asli the.un cheezo ko bhula do jinka wastawikta se naata haiyaar tumne mera 1 ghanta waste kr diya
  - sri4u September 26, 2010 At 8:27 pm
    
    Originally Babur himself belongs / born to a non-Islamic tribe called Barlas in Uzbekistan which was of Mongol origin, had embraced Turkish culture after converting to Islam.
    Babur a Mongol (Mughal in Persian) was thrown away from his dynasty by his own blood related uncles. Then he crossed Hindu Kush Mountains in Afghanistan, captured Kabul and established his new kingdom. Unable to re-capture his own / original dynasty in Uzbekistan, he attacked on North India to spread his Mongol (Mughal) empire.
    He never went back to his native / birth place Uzbekistan. As per his wishes, Babur was buried at Kabul, Afghanistan.
    Surprisingly many cultural slaves in India feel proud to defend this foreign invaders blood stained glory and fight with their own nationals to protect the illegal monuments built by him.
    It is a shameless act and I feel pity on such Indians, who feel justified in defending this barbaric foreign invader, who attacked and destroyed on our own / original culture by force / sword.
- Pkj September 24, 2010 At 4:34 pm
  
  Satyagni Ji,
  
  I really appreciate the new angle you have highlighted for such a controversial issue.
  For time pass it was really good.
  I just have few point to say.
  
  Do you think India currently or 60 yrs back also in position to correct such mistakes in such a way.
  Or are we really prepared to devote our time/energy in such thing.
  
  There is lots of other important things to do, compared to removing such structure. We are still not capable to keep our vicinity clean by any way. I just feel I am being looted if any paying tax to the gov.
  Before going for such cleanification derive we should think about our next generation.
  
  If any group is so keen to clean our country based on the history I can tell 1000 such structures (including TajMahal) where our politically motivated Jigadi can do loot and destroy it.
  
  I would request everyone to spend his energy and time for his development and if possible for his family.
  We Indian in general now don’t left with strength and skills to help country or world to make a peaceful place.
  
  Shubh chintak,
  Pkj
  
  - Arya September 24, 2010 At 11:10 pm
    
    @Pkj
    “I”, “we”, “our”, which you have used quite frequently in your short comment will be irrelevant if you dont survive. All people of Indian subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afganistan) were “we” some 1300 years back and now, half of its population and more than half of the land is no more “we” and “our” respectively. Please think a bit deeper, I know you wont be happy to pass your time as a slave to a Momin!
- Advani September 25, 2010 At 5:39 am
  
  Based on the archaeological evidence presented before it, a team of historian comprising R.S.Sharma, M. Athar Ali, D.N. Jha and Suraj Bhan reached the following conclusions:
  
  · There is no evidence to suggest that prior to the 16th century was there any veneration attached to Ayodhya as the birthplace of Ram.
  
  · There is no evidence to support the theory that a Ram temple existed at the site where the Babri Masjid was built in 1528-29.
  
  · The legend that the Babri Masjid occupied the site of Ram‚s birthplace did not arise until the late 18th century. The theory that a temple had been demolished to pave way for a mosque was first asserted in the 19th century.
  The simple truth is that it is impossible to identify a particular site as the place where Ram was born. As for the question of faith, there is no evidence to suggest that a popular belief of a religious community suggested that Ram was born in Ayodhya.
  
- Ravi kumar September 28, 2010 At 9:19 pm
  
  Ramyan itself is fictious story,being myself a hindu i went into the history of RAM,I am sorry to say its jsut a fake made up story and in my opinion Ram was an ordinary king like any other muslim ruler.So many muslim kings have born in india ,it does not mean we will consider them as Akbar janamboomi,Bahdur shah zafar janamboomi.
  I feel very sad to inform my hindu brothers that we can never proof that Ram and ordinary king could have born on that place., bcz we dont know his birth place.THE reality is that a majid was there,so a majid should be made again.
  Even we have doubts of rama sethu bridge,when we people are not sure of a man Rama how could we blame muslims.
  
  - ARYA XYZ September 28, 2010 At 9:28 pm
    
    @ Ravi Kumar
    
    read the following link:
    http://Satyagni.com/2164/rama-myth-or-hero/
  - mak October 1, 2010 At 6:20 am
    
    IT WAS 1526 HISTORY NO DEMOCRACY YET EVEN WHEN UK RULED INDIA.
    
    Result is 2/3 for hindus and 1/3 is for muslims .
    
    please pass this message to all reviewers t
    
    Anybody can divide and rule and come to politics and become MP easlly get monthly income and benefits without work..verdict is welcomed by alland me . we dont know international community will repsonse yet.
    we need to ask urgently to indian community britishers occupied india and were very cruel just few centuries before. they have their buildings all over india. do we have to demolish them and make build own country buildings ??? might have raped mothers and sisters ///jalian wala bagh tragedy , dandi march etc etc // so many tortues>>>srilanka believe ravan and india prays ram. we cannot tel anything good or bad on their lives but its their own opinion. baber might be gay or homo. but pooja or namaaz can be done any place.
    INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WONT ACCEPT ANYTHING AGAINST ISLAM TO COMPARE WITH BAD PEOPLE.
    
    IT IS THE DISPUTE OF PLACE WHERE THEY WORSHIPPING .SIMULTANEOUS PLACES.
    compund wall hindus and tomb muslims
    
    I WOULD STRONGLY ADVICE ALL BROTHERS TO HAND THAT DIPSPUTED TOMB MUST GO FOR ARCHEALOGICAL ,GOVT OF INDIA UNDERTAKE.
    Rest chabutra for temple and other end demolished mosque for other two tombs must for muslim prayers
    .
    Iam educated and all peoplke are literate that it was a historical building of either babur or ceaser constructed in 1526 not the present hindu muslim.nobody can destroy anybody possessions.
    
    if we can then lets go to uk and get back our kohinoor brithshers exhibiting tworld.lets wage war or occupy uk with karsevaks.and muslims
    
    life ishort and now in 3 months b4 dec 6,it must for all matured people to clear open the eyes.and live peace and harmony.
    
    cheers… guys //
  - Indian Agnostic September 28, 2010 At 9:35 pm
    
    Mohtaram Ravi Kumar,
    
    Since you are ill-educated on Indian History you are naive enough to suggest that India should create bhoomis for Invaders who looted our country and created many ravi kumars out of our otherwise normal intelligent and prosperous citizenry
    
    If ravi kumars of India had their way ..you would soon have a kasab bhoomi or afzal bhoomi in India ..since their birth certificates are with the government now.
    
    Look at your dumb argument…you are quick to get the masjid built as if Islam precedes Hinduism!
    
    In India there were only temples before Islamic Ghazis invaded this country and destroyed this peaceful civilization..Babur was a known temple destroyer ..he felt proud of his ghazawat (killing of infidel ravi kumars and their temples) at Chanderi
    
    Their is more evidence against Babur the temple destroyer than the ravi kumars would let us believe
    
    best regards
  - Arya September 28, 2010 At 9:38 pm
    
    @Ravi Kumar, a Mujahid in disguise
    “Even we have doubts of rama sethu bridge,when we people are not sure of a man Rama”
    
    And you are sure of Muhammad and his flying donkey, heaven and hell etc etc!
  - aby September 29, 2010 At 12:22 am
    
    Ravi Kumar has doubts about existence of Shri Ram but I am sure he has no doubt that he’s son of babar, Humayun, Akbar, Aurangzeb and now Kasab…
  - mak October 1, 2010 At 6:33 am
    
    yaar kasab is india and pakistan international issue. not related to mosque or mandir.. please get educate… cheers
  - sanatanaakki September 30, 2010 At 9:39 pm
    
    @ Ravi kumar
    
    Our hindu heros….don’t know anything and say too much…
    
    try to understand reality before making others irritate….
    
    Hari Bol
Prashanth K.P. August 22, 2010 At 10:24 pm

An intellectual approach to this article would derive the effect intended, with a bit of humour of course, of the solidarity between the eternal enemies. However, comical as it may read, Islam is not open to debates or arguments. What has been scriptured remains unquestionable. Hence, the barbarity of a 1500 odd year old period is put as doctrines of discipline and god spoken principles. I have come across several written debates and narratives on the Babri-Ram Janmabhoomi subject, but never as cleverly put in as this. You deserve congrats for approaching the sensitive subject from an entirely different angle not commonly thought of. Well done.

yashwant August 22, 2010 At 10:30 pm

excellent

Neo-ritz August 22, 2010 At 10:42 pm

‘cst should be named as kasab bhoomi’ Satyagni ji you ahve given a great Idea to sickulars, surely they will try their best to appease muslims.

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Amit Dua August 22, 2010 At 11:00 pm

Interesting points. Entirely different angle.

Vik August 23, 2010 At 12:04 am

nice topic, it would really help humanity!!

Sirf-Muslim August 23, 2010 At 12:22 am

Dear Satyagni.

OK let us assume that Babur was not at all a Muslim by Islamic doctrine and his acts and so eradication of Masid built in his name is justified. Now I invite Satyagni team to my city in India to annihilate many Ganesh and Durga Pandals which are erected by powerful local anti-social elements by forceful grabbing of money from common people of the city. This will be a more powerful demo of Hindu-Muslim solidarity. And if this demo is carried out across our country best results would be obtained.

- Shodh August 23, 2010 At 11:49 am
  
  @Sirf-Muslim You said
  “Now I invite Satyagni team to my city to India to annihilate many Ganesh and Durga Pandals which are erected by powerful local anti-social elements by forceful grabbing of money from common people of th city.”
  Ans: Since you did appeal to Satyagni and Team, Ganesh Pandals and Durga Pandals are temporary during festival period only. Now grabbing of money: How did you come to know? Your information is wroung. If you are talking about anti-social elements local powerful etc then I would say there are such Rowdies and Underworld, Gangster influenced area, they do. Not all every where. The Namaz offered on every Jumma (count how many fridays in calendar year against 10days of such Hindus Festival) makes road block, huge traffic jam to commuters. Do not oppose just to sake of oppose the point.
  If you want I will dig out entire history how the Islam spread in Indus Valley and i.e. with archelogical, mughal farsi scriptures evidences.
  
  - akkisanatana August 23, 2010 At 1:53 pm
    
    Very good………
    
    Muslims must understand how they disturb whole society around them……
    
    and mostly when namaz is said on speaker in masjit…..they dont complete namaz at one stroke but…….after one masjit completed namaz in speaker other will start and so on…….and namaz goes for like 1 hr or so………..
    
    how much sound pollution i can say……am i rite!!
  - Nizam September 21, 2010 At 2:44 am
    
    You said that juma’s namaz causes sound pollution and traffic jam…….
    
    Come to the point -the statue are being thrown in river in most of your festival how much echofriendly your fucking dirty statue like durga ganesh are?
  - Whatupmabitches? September 22, 2010 At 11:31 pm
    
    Yeh it is eco-freindly you faggot they are bio-degradable. Shame I cant say the same thing about Islam.
    😀
  - aby September 29, 2010 At 12:28 am
    
    Nizam why dont you also have statues in your religion…will be fun…we can have Ganesh puja and prophet puja…then we can jointly go for immersion…what say? and dont get hurt by the namaz thing…it seriously disrupts traffic…why should any religion be allowed to block public property…I have a simple solution..you guys stop multipying so fast so that namaz dosn’t become a hassle for others
  - sanatanaakki September 30, 2010 At 9:41 pm
    
    The ony difference between Ganesh idol submersed and ur namaz in speakers are u do this daily and irriate people around u and one day we do u get so much frustrated coz u people are not good…
    
    u cant digest others happiness……
  - Mojahed October 1, 2010 At 11:28 am
    
    Assalamwlekum,
    
    Please dont’ abuse gods of hindus because Allah prohibits this in quran. dont’ get agitate & angry then the people ( like Mr Arya, aby,Indian Agnostic) who want to destroy the peace of this nation will be successful, moreover it’s against Islam.
  - Indian Agnostic October 1, 2010 At 12:51 pm
    
    @Mojahed bro,
    
    I don;t want to destroy the peace of this nation but bring it back
    
    look at your name and mine ..you are a mujahid who could kill non-muslims to reach jannah ..i am an agnostic and would never do such a foolish and inhuman thing ever!
    
    and thank god (if there is one) that you have not READ the quran ..because if you would have read it you would have known that Islam is highly intolerant of non-muslims.
    
    read my posts above to see the violent verses of the quran ..the God of quran curses every other god and places Muhammad as the interceder of affairs
    
    Your message is beautiful INspite of the quranic teachings and NOT despite quranic teachings
    
    peace
  - Indian Agnostic October 1, 2010 At 1:03 pm
    
    @Mojahed bro,
    
    i forgot to give you an Islamic reference of Muhammad sanctioning (rather asking) Muslims to be antagonistic to others ..even through words
    
    Sunnan Abu Dawud
    Book 14, Number 2498:
    
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: USE YOUR property, your persons any your TONGUES in striving AGAINST THE POLYTHEISTS.
    
    source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/014.sat.html#014.2498
    
    so you see , the muslims who are bad mouthing other religions here are following the sunnah of the prophet !
    
    thank god(if there is one) that you never came across this ‘divine’ dictact of Islam
    
    best regards
  - Sufiyan Bin Sulaiman Bin Yusuf September 21, 2010 At 4:58 am
    
    @ akkisanatana
    
    what do u wanna say about all the noice in Mandirs when you held Puja. Isn’t that sound pollution ? and how about the noice of bell in mandirs.
  - आर्यव्रतस्थ September 21, 2010 At 10:20 am
    
    well if mandirs put the bell under a loudspeaker, then its wrong.. and why Masjids need a LoudSpeaker? if one has to pray he/she can do it in a natural way..or allah does not hear without a loudspeaker or is he sleeping or what is the reason.
    Now dont tell me that others are need to made aware of the timing, in modern times everone has a watch.. so this medevial/historic and useless practice is for sure outdated.
    give it a thought and dont just jump to conclustions.
  - Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:03 pm
    
    @ आर्यव्रतस्थ moron 🙂
    
    well if mandirs put the bell under a loudspeaker, then its wrong.. and why Masjids need a LoudSpeaker? ,
    
    Yo yo yo u hold on dumb faggot, in durga and ganesh puja and others occcations dont u fuck enviorement with sound pollution?
    
    and in diwali u ppl polute air and sound 98% more thn natural?
  - SDC September 24, 2010 At 4:37 pm
    
    Well, at least the pollution caused is way much less than that caused by your peace-loving brethren who indulge in terror activities (read: bomb blasts).
  - आर्यव्रतस्थ September 24, 2010 At 4:54 pm
    
    @Top Gun
    thanks for your comments and generous similies 🙂
    
    well thats what is called a festival that last for predifined duration and gets over..
    what would you say if people made those noises day in and day out.. that too making sure that everyone hears it by using loudspeakers..?!
  - sanatanaakki September 30, 2010 At 9:44 pm
    
    @Top Gun
    
    We hindus are vegetarian more than 40 percent of hindus are vegetarin….
    
    do u know how much polllution non veg cause…….
    
    its nothing in front of festivals…..
    
    our diwali pollution is nothing in front of a new building opening in dubai or china or america….
    
    dont compare our things with yours.
    
    One kG of meat use 16000 litres of water now thats called pollution morons….
  - neha September 28, 2010 At 8:11 pm
    
    @akkisanatana : and do u know how much sound pollution is created by ramayan… how can u say such a thing.. its u people who will dance all night to the sound of DJ and will not utter a word.. bt namaz is noise for u??? its bcoz of u people that such communal riots take place.. c’mon when will u understand.. all indians are ur brothers.. how can u hurt them??
    plz spread peace not hatred..
  - sanatanaakki September 30, 2010 At 9:46 pm
    
    @neha
    
    secular people like u will never understand what u people are loosing day by day!!
    
    U keep hand on your heart and think..on what is say
    
    1) How many Muslim countries world have.?
    2) How many Christians countries world have?
    3) ANY JEWISH COUNTRY?
    4) Buddhist countries?
    5) WHere is our Hindu country?
    
    Don’t we have right to have our own hindu country…today many places are demanding diff states as majority of population is converted to either muslim or christian..
    
    Its time to wake up for sickular dream or day will come when u dont have a place to live ur very home hindustan will be divided into so many pieces and u will only cry…
    
    JAI SHREE RAm
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 9:12 pm
    
    yes we like sound pollution created by hindu festivals, and not by namaz. I am biased. Problem?
  - waseem October 1, 2010 At 1:07 pm
    
    Sorry to tell this , the fact is we pary on loud speakers for not more than 5mins but you stand in each nd evry lane exposing your god with a hell of sound the month your ganesh festival starts it continues for the hole month , next starts dussera , den depawali you have all festivals which are related to sound and pollutions , and traffic jam what do you buy telling this ha , you guys have the freedom to drink and dance in front of the idol whr evr you feel like ???
    
    Stop passing foolish comments get matured soon ????
  - Indian Agnostic October 1, 2010 At 3:48 pm
    
    i agree with you..all kind of pollution should be banned .
    
    the muslims should stop the daily nuisance and the hindus should stop the quarterly nusiance
    
    muslims should also ensure that they don’t create traffic jams at roads ..which is a common scene across the world ..and it’s a daily recursive affair
    
    are you game?
  - mak October 1, 2010 At 6:36 am
    
    IT WAS 1526 HISTORY NO DEMOCRACY YET EVEN WHEN UK RULED INDIA.
    
    Result is 2/3 for hindus and 1/3 is for muslims .
    
    please pass this message to all reviewers t
    
    Anybody can divide and rule and come to politics and become MP easlly get monthly income and benefits without work..verdict is welcomed by alland me . we dont know international community will repsonse yet.
    we need to ask urgently to indian community britishers occupied india and were very cruel just few centuries before. they have their buildings all over india. do we have to demolish them and make build own country buildings ??? might have raped mothers and sisters ///jalian wala bagh tragedy , dandi march etc etc // so many tortues>>>srilanka believe ravan and india prays ram. we cannot tel anything good or bad on their lives but its their own opinion. baber might be gay or homo. but pooja or namaaz can be done any place.
    INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WONT ACCEPT ANYTHING AGAINST ISLAM TO COMPARE WITH BAD PEOPLE.
    
    IT IS THE DISPUTE OF PLACE WHERE THEY WORSHIPPING .SIMULTANEOUS PLACES.
    compund wall hindus and tomb muslims
    
    I WOULD STRONGLY ADVICE ALL BROTHERS TO HAND THAT DIPSPUTED TOMB MUST GO FOR ARCHEALOGICAL ,GOVT OF INDIA UNDERTAKE.
    Rest chabutra for temple and other end demolished mosque for other two tombs must for muslim prayers
    .
    Iam educated and all peoplke are literate that it was a historical building of either babur or ceaser constructed in 1526 not the present hindu muslim.nobody can destroy anybody possessions.
    
    if we can then lets go to uk and get back our kohinoor brithshers exhibiting tto world.lets wage war or occupy uk with karsevaks..
    
    life ishort and now in 3 months b4 dec 6,it must for all matured people to clear open the eyes.and live peace and harmony.
    
    cheers… guys //
  - Indian Agnostic October 1, 2010 At 3:49 pm
    
    @mak
    
    1) respect the court order ..they have written a judgment after 60 years and in 10000 pages.
    2) if tomorrow the Taliban start building a grand mosque at the place they destroyed the Bamian Buddhas ..people like you would rush to donate for the ‘good’ cause.
    3) Even in Saudi Arabia, mosques are destroyed to pave way for roads and other infrastructure
    4) Do you want to associate as a contemporary muslim with those barabrians who destroyed tens of thousands of temples in India? ..if not than appreciate that the hindus have demanded a single temple (that too which they revere the most) out of those thousands
    5) Even from a legal perspective ..the Hindus had been praying at that place for time immemorial even after a masjid was built by destroying the temple .in short it has CONTINUITY to it ..it’s not a THING OF THE PAST ..so don;t treat it as a historical issue ..it is of our times ..although running from the times when barnarians razed the religious infrastructure and demographics of this country
    
    hope you understand the difference
    
    peace and cheers indeed [is that halaal ! 😉 ]
- ARYA XYZ August 27, 2010 At 7:02 pm
  
  @ Sirf-Muslim
  
  I invite you in my city in the month of Mohram (Taziya), there also many big pandal are built and people were looted by many Muslims showing that your unhappiness/grief will be removed if you do so. Many more people were looted on the last day of Taziya asking for offering Chaddar of flowers, Rewadi, money and lot more. If your are not aware of this then visit your city on the last day of Taziya. You will realize.
  
  - Sirf-Muslim August 27, 2010 At 7:47 pm
    
    Arya XYZ:
    
    I find most of the Satyagnis more literate on Islam than Muslims themselves. Now tell me where did you find mention of this Bidah or innovation in Quran or any Hadith ?. If so called Muslims spread corruption on land they won’t be forgiven.
    
    In our city due to recurrent shows of strength by various Hindu organizations the so called Muslims
    indulge more and more in this Bidah by exhibiting their strength during first ten days of month of Muharram in their processions.
    
    Just recently a Muslim friend of mine told that last year some Hindus approached him for donation for coming Ganesh festival. When he refused to donate a big amount of money they were demanding ,”they said did not you know what happened in Gujrat “. My friend owns a big show room in a commercial area of old city.
  - ARYA XYZ August 28, 2010 At 8:30 am
    
    @ Srif-Muslim
    
    Yes, looking at the contents of this website, Satyagni team does lot of hard work day and night to serve the kindness to the Human beings and all other living things on this earth.
    
    Now you also accept that So called Muslims are also indulged in bad deeds during Taziya days. Thanks God and to this website that now you will not write anything in bias of one side only.
    
    So called corrupted Muslims were lived on the earth (land) since several hundred years, did Allah punish them ? How many of them? If they were heavily punished by Allah, then why did not the next generation of Muslim learn a lesson of their bad deeds? Still bad Muslims also live on this land.
    
    I hope now you will leave making TU-TU-MAIN-MAIN here and will get best out of the contents of this website and will help to spread the best message for kind of human beings.
    Dhanyawaad
  - Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:09 pm
    
    Look at the history of dead sea, y its called dead.
    
    luk at the PAK flood, luk at the rain in rajsthn, up flood, earth quake in heidi,
    
    u will get ur ans i hope if u r not moron.
  - tauqeer September 22, 2010 At 2:03 pm
    
    and with the money they drink liqour and gamble on back of ganpati pandal and believe that by doing this Ganpati bappa will not be able to see .People on this are well aware of this.If they are not aware just take a round of your city after 1 am during ganpati.You will find this in every 4th pandal.
  - ARYA XYZ September 28, 2010 At 9:38 pm
    
    @ Taqueer,
    
    Taqueerji,
    
    How are you sure and confident that these dirty games are not played during Taziya? If you have decided not to learn good things from this website and just throwing stones in air without any aim, then you are just simply wasting your time.
    
    If you have some good things in your life as a human being, spend time to teach others instead wasting time.
    
    Dhanyawaad
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 9:17 pm
    
    @tauqueer, what is YOUR problem? if we drink and gamble behind ganapati bappa’s idol? I drink and dance all night on anant chaturdashi. YOU got a problem moron?
bhupendra singh August 23, 2010 At 12:25 am

good

Vikas August 23, 2010 At 4:56 am

@Sirf-Muslim
That was not a masjid in the first place. It was a “disputed” structure.
I do not understand your logic. Did local anti-social elements forcefully grabbed money from YOU? Are these people homo like Babur? Do they make permanent structures? Do they kill people for it? Are these temporary pandals built on the land considered sacred by others?
Don’t compare apples with peanuts.

- Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:17 pm
  
  I think ur history about ur religion is weak 🙂
  If u ever visited ayodhya u willsee there were 7 mandirs named RAM mandir and each pundit clamed that ram was born here?
  i want to know was there 7 rams? or only one? or those pundits r wrong? or the infomation u got is right?
  in anyways u have been proof wrong.
  
  ANd u saying temp. pandals, dont u know the logic behind temp. pandals,
  If u dont agree with the lines above thn u wont understand the real meaning of artificial pandals & if u understand i will tell u wht ths means 🙂
  
Shashank August 23, 2010 At 5:35 am

I completely with Pashanth KP. This is a unique and noble perspective of solving the long standing issue. Though it will be difficult to digest this idea by hardliners but giving a thought to Indian culture and society, it might me possible.
I went through some other blogs also and kind of started loving it. This is indeed a very nice efforts. Congratulations and tons of support from my side.

VOXINDICA August 23, 2010 At 12:14 pm

Very good article. Congratulations!

Abhishek August 23, 2010 At 12:21 pm

I can put English subtitle on the videos of aryasmaj debate with islam if someone can provide me the written debate …

- sanatanaakki September 30, 2010 At 9:49 pm
  
  @ abhishek..
  
  ask aryaji for written debate………its really required…..english subs…
  
  Hari bol
  
Ram August 23, 2010 At 12:23 pm

The first step in the direction set by Satyagni is to propagate the extract of Babur Nama from it’s original authentic issue (might be preserved by some Islamic organisations) in the public domain. Even though I have a truly Secular leaning and I did not support Ram Mandir at this location (if it has no unanimous acceptance), I strongly want to term those who are in the side of “Babur- the Invader” as “Anti-Nationalists” or specifically “Anti-Indian”. The “Babri structure” (Don’t ever call it a Mosque) deserves to be demolished as it stands tall as a symbol of acheivement of a “Conqueror / Invader”. How many supporters for “Robert Clive or General Dyer” do we have within ourselves. When we oppose these British Invaders, why should we be loving the Arab invaders.

- kaprix007 August 26, 2010 At 1:17 pm
  
  Mu dear Ram you invite someone to save you from the hands of a tyrannical ruler and call him an INVADER!!! Wow, please read some books on the meaning and definition of INVADER
  
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 9:21 pm
    
    wow, typical muslim garbage. All muslim invaders world wide were (according to muslims) INVITED by the poor population writhing under the yoke of tyranny. Bloody idiots play semantics, instead of admitting mistakes.
    I will also invade saudi arabia, and wipe out islam from there impose hinduism, and then write history saying that the poor saudis were writhing under the tyranny of the saudi royal family. so they INVITED me.
- Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:19 pm
  
  weak argument full of hatred towords those who supported for freedom of india, u r so sick boy.
  
Murali Mohan August 23, 2010 At 12:35 pm

Pranam Agniveeer ji,

I express my sincere thanks to you for this excellent effort, may the ‘Ultimate Reality the Supreme Lord Brahman’ bestow his choicest blessings for the selfless service you are extending to reestablish the glory of the gracious and unparalleled Sanatana Arya Dharma the only Universal and “Eternal Religion of Truth”.

Sunny Chawla August 23, 2010 At 1:21 pm

Great article, I didn’t know Babur was like this…
But what’s the story behind khajorao ?

- dev August 24, 2010 At 11:31 pm
  
  Lemme answer dat for you…..though it is always a good idea doing ur own research b4 posting a question….anyways, as u maybe aware people in d past were not so free to talk abt sex and of course sex education is not a concept of today….der was a strong need to pass over d secrets to d future generations…..so it was decided to build such structures….u must knw even sex is a sacred thing when under control…hope this helps!
  
Akarshan August 23, 2010 At 3:24 pm

one word “Awesome”

shashank kumar August 23, 2010 At 6:49 pm

sir…u re article will be an answer to every one…its too good..the way u approached this critical issue is mindblowing….i got to know about babar by reading dis…y dont u post u re articles on facebook regularly,,….WE HAVE .RSS GROUP..

Petal Akhter August 24, 2010 At 2:13 am

When Bush came to Pakistan he overheard people calling him Bahan choodh,he asked Musheraf what it meant? It means Great,that made him happy and proud and on his next stop to India ,while addressing the parliment,he paid terute by saying ,Mr Singh you are a bahaan choodh,and i am slightly bigger bahan choodh,while the biggest bahaan choodh has to be Mahtama Gandi.

- Sunny Chawla August 24, 2010 At 11:06 am
  
  @ Petal
  hahahahahaha ….
  
- ARYA XYZ August 25, 2010 At 9:30 pm
  
  @ Petal Akhtar
  A guy like you is always exposed in a group of people that you are a follower of a mostly misleading “QURAN” by your such deeds. You read all the comments and think on yours twice. It’s a shit amongst all.
  
  You are in mis-concept that You belong to original Muslim caste. But Brother you don’t know that your ancestors where they were born where you live now was a part of AKHAND BHARAT. Your ancestors were forcefully converted to become Muslim from Arya people. They were following the VEDAS not QURAN. I urge you to return to your originality “Arya” and spread this message to other Muslim brothers. Demolish PAKISTAN ( which was Mohd. Ali JIna’s big mistake )and become again AKHAND BHARAT.
  PAKISTAN was not happy, is not happy and will not be happy since 1947.
  
  Jay HInd
  
  - waseem October 1, 2010 At 1:19 pm
    
    i object dude !
    
    you fuckin cannot tell us who was our ancestor , nor you can tell who was yours , so dont comment this next time that we whr forced to get converted
  - आर्यव्रतस्थ October 1, 2010 At 1:53 pm
    
    @waseem u sure may object that is the whole point.So if you are saying that if your ancestors were not the people of Bharat then it follows that your ancestors were arabians? if that is the case this site is not for your imagination to go wild its intended for only our brothers whose ancestors were forced to covert or they would have faced death or would have been paying jaziya for the rest of their lives.
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 9:26 pm
    
    @waseem, OFCOURSE you were force to convert. When the muslim invaders invaded india, those hindus who couldnt defend their honour, got raped and their descendants are todays’s muslims. My ancestors defended their honour, so I am still hindu.
    I am a rajput, my ancestors come from what is India pak border, I look like a paki, does that make me one? My surname is shared with lotsss of pakis, doesnt that mean, that people of my surname , now pakis were forced to convert? moron.
Nish August 24, 2010 At 10:49 pm

The blogger has gone mad. Babur was great king, he was no evil as painted by this dumbass blogger.

Many Ram Temples and other temples have been constructed by thug Hindu rulers who engaged in explicit sexual acts, and they also carved them on temples to quench their libidos.

How about destroying every temple which has been built by cruel, homosexual, tyrannical Hindu king?

- Indian Agnostic August 24, 2010 At 11:39 pm
  
  The blogger has done a thorough research and so have many others.
  
  It’s high time you do yours before posting trash @Nish
  
  do you know about chanderi ? the homo babur in order to be treated as a ghazi destroyed all the temples there and raised a pile of heads of the hindu pupil there.
  
  i don;t know why every bloody goon becomes a role model in Islam ..has to be something in the very beginning i guess
  
  - Rashmi August 25, 2010 At 12:02 pm
    
    To Nish and Sirf Muslim,
    
    We as Indians who have been the casualties of time and made to leave our roots of sanatan dharma, are now now taught to hate Hindus/hinduism/sanatan dharma. Infact it requires greater understanding among hindus and non hindus in india to understand India. India is the birthplace of many souls who had greatest wisdom, brought all the knowledge through yogic austereties and lead perfectly moral and ethical life. Further they had reached the zenith of perfection through samadhi. I would like to quote words of Louis Francois Jacolliot (French diplomat) :
    
    “Besides the discoverers of geometry and algebra, the constructors of human speech, the parents of philosophy, the primal expounders of religion, the adepts in psychological and physical science, how even the greatest of our biological and theologians seem dwarfed!
    Name of us any modern discovery, and we venture to say that Indian history need not long be searched before the prototype will be found on record. Here we are with the transit of science half accomplished, and all our Vedic ideas in process of readjustment to the theories of force correlation, natural selection, atomic polarity and evolution. And here, to mock our conceit, our apprehension, and our despair, we may read what Manu said, perhaps 10,000 years before the birth of Christ:
    
    The first germ of life was developed by water and heat. Water ascends towards the sky in vapors; from the sun it descends in rain, from the rains are born the plants, and from the plants, animals.
    ~~~ Louis Francois Jacolliot (French diplomat) ”
    Regarding idol worship and present day crisis India/ Hindus have born all the assualt with their spiritual strength, seeing divine in every possible way i would quote here Hutson Smith an american professor.
    Enter Hinduism’s myths, her magnificent symbols, her several hundred images of God, her rituals that keep turning night and day like never ending prayer wheels. It is obtuse to confuse Hinduism’s images with idolatry, and their multiplicity with polytheism. They are ‘runways’ from which the sense-laden human spirit can rise for its “flight of the alone to the Alone. Even village priest will frequently open their temple ceremonies with the following beloved invocation:
    O Lord, forgive three sins that are due to my human limitations:
    Thou art everywhere, but I worship you here;
    Thou art without form, but I worship you in these forms;
    Thou needest no praise, yet I offer you these prayers and salutations,
    Lord, forgive three sins that are due to my human limitations.
    ~~~ Huston Smith (American professor)
    
    Further the words of indologist Monier williams:
    The strength of Hinduism lies in its infinite adaptability to the infinite diversity of human character and human tendencies. It has its highly spiritual and abstract side suited to the philosopher, its practical to the man of the world, its aesthetic and ceremonial side attuned to the man of the poetic feeling and imagination; and its quiescent contemplative aspect that has its appeal for the man of peace and the lover of seclusion.
    ~~~ Sir Monier Monier-Williams (Indologist)
  - Mohan Ramchandani August 26, 2010 At 2:25 pm
    
    Great post. Thanks Rashmi. Keep up the good work.
  - Prashanth August 26, 2010 At 8:56 pm
    
    This is great information.
  - Nishant September 30, 2010 At 12:52 am
    
    Rashmi,we need girls like you.
  - ismail September 20, 2010 At 10:23 pm
    
    dear hindu brothers dont you know that your sculptures made with your hands and served by your hindu pandits are touching your mothers and sisters openly in mandirs and did you ever noticed they private parts once they finish their poojas.
    if not just notice your mother and sisters are robbed and raped every week by this poojaris.
    just notice and let me know again. and all the mandirs which are standing now are like a toilets on mainroads or illegal places which has no limits, if at least those would been the toilets in place of illegal mandirs our cities would have been clean and green
  - Indian Agnostic September 20, 2010 At 11:33 pm
    
    @Ismail,
    
    You are a perfect example of why educated and human muslims should leave Islam.
    
    I don’t think they can associate with the gutter language you learnt at the madrasa 😉
  - tauqeer September 22, 2010 At 12:37 am
    
    If it is directed at me it is a pipe dream.You know what is the problem with people like you is.You dont follow your own religion.Because of your aham and hatt great social reformers like SWAMI DAYANAND SARASWATI,RAJA RAM MOHAN ROY,MAHATMA GANDHI,Ram Krishna Parmahansa,Mahatma Jyotiba Phule,Ishwarchandra Vidyasagar etc etc still lots of social eveils prevail.Hindu fanatics harassed these souls like any thing.Some were even killed for the good work they were doing.First try to reform your self and become a good hindu like most of the hindus are in our country then advise me to leave Islam.let me admit if i would have been born in family of idolators and hindu family which dident follow vedas I would have embraced islam.Read how JAISIYA SON OF DAHIR RAJA WHEN BECAME MUSLIM HOW HIS LIFE TRANSFORMED and how his character got elevated.It is in one of the pages of history book written by muslim historian whom you are misquoting and providing links to prove that muslims are cruel.HURRY! HURRY! YOU WILL HAVE TO DO NIGHT SHIFT TO FIND IT OUT AND DELIT IT OTHER WISE YOU MANY PEOPLE MAY READ IT .This I say because your site is deliting the things which are going against you.
  - tauqeer September 21, 2010 At 11:47 pm
    
    Ismail it does not befit a muslim to speak this filthy langauge.follow INNALLAH MA SABREEN.There are innumeramble occasions when prophet pbuh was most polite even when insults were heaped on him.Hope in future you would not repeat this.Instead talk with reasoning in most reasonable manner.A true follower of any religion whether it is vedic religion,islam,or christianity or any other religion will not speak in this language.It is strictily prohibited in Islam.Do you forget that we call JESUS CHRIST ISA ALLEHSALM OR ISARUHULLAH(the most pious soul )pbuh,We call MOSES MUSAALLEHSALAM OR MUSA KALIMULLAH (the one who talks to god almighty) pbuh,we call DAVID DAWOODALLEHSALAM OR DAWOOD KHALIFATULLAH(khalifa of god almighty)pbuh,NOHA of BIBLE OR NUH ALLEHSSALM OF QURAN OR NUHUNNAJIULLAH pbuh are by many probabilities same as MANU OF HINDU SCRIPTURES as many insidence in his life as discribed in Quran and Bible are matching with hindu scriptures.Have you ever seen any muslim a child or adult/educated or totally illetrate speaking a single word of dishonour about any of these prophets this even when some followers of other religions who follow these prophets( PEACE BE ON ALL OF THEM) use most filthy langauge for our beloved prophet pbuh. The former is islamic culture and not the language of filth.Please remember this always.ALHAMDULLILAH your name is of one of our prophets ISMAILZABIULLAH pbuh(sacrifised in the name god the almighty).
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 9:35 pm
    
    @nish, ismail , tauqueer,
    Listening to your garbage, you actually support babur, and spew venom on hinduism and hindu temples.
    Now ONE question, why shouldnt I hate you, and take it out on you, (innocent muslims) during the breakdown of law and order in communal riots?
    Gujarat was not done by narendra modi, but by ordinary hindus like m,e who hate you mussies.
    Do unto others what you would have others do unto you.
  - Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:26 pm
    
    Coz ppl like u hav little knowledge and believe morons words, dont be jelous of BABUR he was the king and u r not and the faggot who written this blog is a gay , Shhhh dont tell to ni body 😛
- ARYA XYZ August 25, 2010 At 9:45 pm
  
  @Nish
  
  Are you sure you have not gone mad? Give evidences for your claim of Babur. We believe in strong evidences. You have not proved, so you are not believed. Babur was a Barber. Before pointing at others why don’t you think about yours?
  First you prove your claim about Babur, then we will talk about temples. You are not qualified for this debate unless you make us clear about Babur according to your thoughts.
  
  There is no difference look wise in an Indian and a Pakistani or an Indian Muslim. This shows that all the Muslims in India and Pakistan were originally Arya who were following only and only VEDAS.
  I urge you to return to your originality “ARYA”.
  
  - Sirf-Muslim August 25, 2010 At 10:21 pm
    
    Nish.
    Don’t talk like a blind follower. We cannot allow destruction of any masjid whether built by a pious or non-pious Muslim. Once a Masjid is built it is abode of Allah or Babul Huda. But indeed Mughals were not just as a dynasty. Central Asian Muslims brought innovation or Bidah with them and hence they do not correspond to Quran and Sunnah of Muhammad SAW. I do not see any sense in admiring Babur. He did not come to India to preach Islam but to gain wealth and geographical territory.
    
    Just compare K.M.Chisti with Babur and succeeding rulers of his dynasty you will realize the difference.
  - Arya August 25, 2010 At 10:49 pm
    
    @Sirf Muslim
    So you accept that a gay drinker can be a Muslim and he can be said at the most “non Pious” for being so!
  - Indian Agnostic August 25, 2010 At 11:11 pm
    
    Babur was a wannabe Muslim..at least he considered himself to be one.
    
    and in that very zeal he destroyed the population as well as temples of chanderi !!
    
    with due respect, i would like to state that right from mecca to ayodhya ..Most medieval masjids were built after destroying the previous religions places of worship
    
    I don’t think hardcore ideologues would object too much to babur’s vagrant behavior ..as far as the Masjid was built on top of the worshipping place of the kuffar ..they are quite happy 🙁
    
    i may be wrong in my conclusion, but i believe that the argument of this thread would not sell well with the ummah 🙁
  - Indian Follower September 17, 2010 At 2:35 am
    
    So you accept that a gay drinker can be a Muslim and he can be said at the most “non Pious” for being so!
    Are there no gay drinker hindus?
  - Arya September 17, 2010 At 12:50 pm
    
    @Indian Follower
    Brother, point here is not who is gay drinker and who is not. Point here is that can anyone act against Quran and still continue to be a Muslim? Can he still go to Jannat? If no, Babur was not a Muslim. And the so called mosque which was built in his name was a symbol of insult to Islam.
    
    And if any temple is made in the name of a gay drinker hindu, we will be equally harsh in that case as well.
  - Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:28 pm
    
    no he accept that u r diving in cunt where there is no light.
  - Indian Agnostic August 25, 2010 At 10:52 pm
    
    Dear sirf-muslim,
    
    You are not aware that Babur wanted to be treated as a pure Ghazi (the best any devout muslim can become) and for that he did what Islam says is the best job to do —raised a heap of skulls of the non-believers
    
    how can you say that babur should not be compared to other devout muslims like aurangzeb etc. ..They were the best msulims as per the Quran
    
    ◤Quran 4:95
    لاَّ يَسْتَوِي الْقَاعِدُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ غَيْرُ أُوْلِي الضَّرَرِ وَالْمُجَاهِدُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فَضَّلَ اللّهُ الْمُجَاهِدِينَ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ عَلَى الْقَاعِدِينَ دَرَجَةً وَكُـلاًّ وَعَدَ اللّهُ الْحُسْنَى وَفَضَّلَ اللّهُ
    الْمُجَاهِدِينَ عَلَى الْقَاعِدِينَ أَجْراً عَظِيماً
    Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,◥
    
    so you see babur did what ghazni,timur, aurangzeb did ..killing of infidels..to be called a ghazi!
    
    Thats what the prophet used to do and that’s what his staunch followers do even today in countries where Islam is prominent
    
    and heres a lesson in history (from authentic autobiography of babur himself)
    
    THIS IS WHY BABUR KILLED HINDUS –TO BECOME THE BEST MUSLIM – A GHAZI !!!
    
    ◤Babur Nama
    
    For love of the Faith I became a wanderer in the desert,
    I became the antagonist of Pagans and Hindus,
    I strove* to make myself a martyr;—
    Thanks be to the Almighty who has made me a Ghāzi (victorious over the enemies of the Faith)
    http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03501052%26ct%3D64%26rqs%3D490%26rqs%3D493%26rqs%3D494%26rqs%3D495%26rqs%3D496◥
    
    The holocaust of the hindus at the hands of these barbarians is documented by themselves or their chroniclers !!!!..
    
    can’t wish away the truth my friend
  - kaprix007 August 26, 2010 At 1:15 pm
    
    My dear i am impressed about ur knowledge of Qur’an, however, i feel sorry that you cannot understand its heart. Islam does not allow the indiscriminate killing of people. I would like to request to read the constitution of first Muslim state that was formed in Medina after the Muslims were thrown out of Mecca by Idolaters and Pagans. you will not find an Iota of offense.
    in the paragraps above you have failed to distinguish between a King and an Emir. If you want to know about an Emir, you should do a little bit of Study about the lives of the Prophet and his four great compatriots! They were the one who represented the true islam, and for them there wwwas no personal gain.
    As far as fighting with others is concerned, you will not find that the Muslims ever broke the terms fo the treaties that they singed with the Persians, Romans, African or even the Jews. However, when the other part breaks the treaty you are bound by the terms of the treaty and free to counter attack.
    As far as our country and attack on India is concerned, you have failed to mention the contribution of the earlier Muslim rulers , who came before Babur. Apart from the above, we did not have a unified Bharat at any point of time. There were Mauryas, Chalukyas, Chandals, Guptas, Cholas, Marathas,Rajputs and more than 300 principalities (even at the time of the entry of the British)There is no denying that the Mughals contributed a great deal to the development and unification of (what we call India today) by expanding their empire.
    AS far as Babur is concerned he did not come to India on his own. He was invited by teh people of India who were suffering at the hands of a tyrannical king- Ibrahim Lodi who was also a Muslim. Thus, if babur were a Ghazi (in your context) then how did he come against a Muslim ruler?
    i woulld suggest you to read a little history before you set out to comment. A great author Bernard Shaw once told” i read 60,000 words to write 60 words! I think we will do justice to ourselves if we take a cue from the saying of Bernard Shaw.
  - dev August 26, 2010 At 2:50 pm
    
    I will quote one of your sentences ‘Islam does not allow indiscriminate killing of people’…..well so wat u mean to say is ‘Islam does allow killing’ in other words it is all right to kill…..nd d thing wid u people is dat u judge as per ur own whims and fantasies who is right/ wrong and take innocent lives…..i hve read quran myself and it clearly says dat infidels or non-muslims shud be destroyed…..now wat do u hve to say on this…..ur talks of peace and love r just an illusion…..!
  - Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:35 pm
    
    If this is u say from the CONTEX?
    
    What will u say when there is riot and v ppl protect the non-muslims from getting killed,
    
    in 1992 we lost so many souls and u lost few coz v protected u,
    
    and in return wht u ppl did to us rape our women kill our mens, police support u govt. support u.
  - tauqeer September 22, 2010 At 1:34 pm
    
    same thing is in bhagwat gita by lord krishna instigating arjun to fight.It is clearly said that if if he does so he will go to heaven if martyred..Want me to copy paste and quote out of context??my friend do not try to open a can of worms for youselves.
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 9:43 pm
    
    ABSOLUTELY I follow bhagwadgeeta, which teaches me to fight and kill my own brothers. In that context, kauravas. In my context muslims. YOu CANT open a can of worms, becuse I am going to open it myself. These idiot left liberal pseudo hindus dont know real hinduism, we are as violent even more so than islam.
    Every concept you have in islam does have a counterpart in hinduism.As a body of knowledge Hinduism is an ocean, mahasagar, islam is just a small pond.
    You want to make the world islamic? Translate this:-
    Krinvanto vishwam aryam. (make the world aryan/hindu)
    Jihad ka jawaab, dharma yuddha.
    
    Go take a hike.
  - Indian Agnostic August 26, 2010 At 3:01 pm
    
    ◤My dear i am impressed about ur knowledge of Qur’an, however, i feel sorry that you cannot understand its heart.◥
    
    Many thanks dear @kaprix007 for the compliment.
    
    I would love to learn from you as to what’s the heart of Quran that i MISUNDERSTAND
    
    Meanwhile, let me respond with whatever little i know as of now.
    
    ◤Islam does not allow the indiscriminate killing of people.◥
    
    I am sorry to state, it DOES!
    
    I have shared the sheer hatred that the god of Islam has towards non-muslims elsewhere, so wont repeat post.
    
    But let’s see what was prophet Muhammad’s take on this ( I am quoting a Sahih hadit along with the hyperlink..the hadit is the context and ‘heart’ of the quran)
    
    ✪Sahih Bukhari
    Volume 4, Book 52, #196
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah ‘s Apostle said, ” I HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO FIGHT WITH THE PEOPLE TILL THEY SAY, ‘NONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE WORSHIPPED BUT ALLAH ‘ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ HIS LIFE AND PROPERTY WILL BE SAVED by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”
    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196✪
    
    So you see, any non-muslim may invite the ire of the prophet for the GRAVE FAULT of being a NON-MUSLIM.
    
    I hope you are smart enough to draw parallels with the protection money that mafia lords demand and this one 🙂
    
    ◤I would like to request to read the constitution of first Muslim state that was formed in Medina after the Muslims were thrown out of Mecca by Idolaters and Pagans. you will not find an Iota of offense.◥
    
    Give me a break sir!!!
    
    who used to live in Mecca before Islam was formed? ..the Idolators!!
    
    whom did the Kaaba belong to before prophet Muhammad along with his army ransacked it and destroyed all the idols therein? the idolators!!
    
    prophet Muhammad was born amongst whom? ..the idolaters
    
    whom did he massacre in Mecca? ..his own idolater cousins and kinsfolk who did not want to join this new religion that permitted all that was prohibited in theirs!!!
    
    Dear friend….your moral compass is twisted ……If i throw you out of your house and then gloat on the fact that i am allowing you to live peacefully on the street , i dont become great.
    
    ◤in the paragraps above you have failed to distinguish between a King and an Emir. If you want to know about an Emir, you should do a little bit of Study about the lives of the Prophet and his four great compatriots! They were the one who represented the true islam, and for them there wwwas no personal gain.◥
    
    Rest assured that I have studied it as much if not more than you.
    
    1/5th of the war booty went to the Prophet
    
    The Emirs, the Sahabas were always on missions looting and plundering civilizations they had nothing to do with!
    
    for what reason?? ..for the simple reason of expanding the empire and religion.
    
    and nothing more than common sense is required to know that if it was all about religion, then there would have been no arrangement like the JIZYA.
    
    JIZYA is the price one used to pay for keeping away from Islam.
    
    The first wars of islam were on Caravans of the Meccans ..it’s all about power and money honey..zilch spirituality !
    
    ◤As far as fighting with others is concerned, you will not find that the Muslims ever broke the terms fo the treaties that they singed with the Persians, Romans, African or even the Jews.However, when the other part breaks the treaty you are bound by the terms of the treaty and free to counter attack.◥
    
    The irony is reflected in you statement itself.
    
    A tribe in Arabia ventured all the way to africa, iran,india etc…..to completely destroy the great native civilizations of babylonia and persia and loot them of their heritage and wealth.
    
    and don’t even mention the Jews…The Prophet himself ordered the beheading of 900 jews and took one of their widows (Juwaharia) as his wife the very day he beheaded her husband,father and brother.
    
    so much so for the ‘heart’ of Islam
    
    ◤As far as our country and attack on India is concerned, you have failed to mention the contribution of the earlier Muslim rulers , who came before Babur.◥
    
    read their uninvited and gory ‘contribution’ here : http://kalkiagnostic.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/peaceful-islamic-and-mughal-invasion-of-india
    
    and mind you ..not even a single paragraph quoted there is without it’s orginal hyperlink.
    
    The bloody islamic history of india has been chronicled by Islamic historians or rulers themselves..they all wanted to be known as ghazis with the exception of Akbar ofcourse.
    
    ◤ Apart from the above, we did not have a unified Bharat at any point of time. There were Mauryas, Chalukyas, Chandals, Guptas, Cholas, Marathas,Rajputs and more than 300 principalities (even at the time of the entry of the British)There is no denying that the Mughals contributed a great deal to the development and unification of (what we call India today) by expanding their empire.◥
    
    This is another misconception amongst people. India or Bharat to be precise extended all the way to Afghanistan .Of course their were many kingdoms but all swore allegiance to the most powerful king of the times(Samrat) .
    
    In the 9th century , the title for such a samrat was Balhara… and Suleman, the historian names Balhara amongst the 4 most greatest rulers of the world in the 9th century.
    
    India was the 2nd richest country of the world (after China) upto the 10th century..India surivided the invaders for 400 years but with the fall of sindh …it started caving in to the advances of the invaders
    
    The amount of wealth looted by the British and Arab,Turk invaders is unfathomable..and the millions of natives who lost their lives for not accepting a violent ideology is well documented in ghazi chronicles
    
    ◤AS far as Babur is concerned he did not come to India on his own. He was invited by teh people of India who were suffering at the hands of a tyrannical king- Ibrahim Lodi who was also a Muslim. Thus, if babur were a Ghazi (in your context) then how did he come against a Muslim ruler?◥
    
    It was the muslim courtesans only that invited Babur to take over and pledged their support.
    
    and if you are not aware of muslims killing muslims..read the painful account of karbala.
    
    ◤i woulld suggest you to read a little history before you set out to comment. ◥
    
    As you would know by now..i have done my homework ..the time is ripe for you to do the same.
    
    happy reading 🙂
    
    ◤A great author Bernard Shaw once told” i read 60,000 words to write 60 words! I think we will do justice to ourselves if we take a cue from the saying of Bernard Shaw.◥
    
    rest assured that i have read 60,000 words for every 60 that i put forward, not because Beranad Shaw said so..but bcoz it makes sense.
    
    I can understand your liking of Bernard Shaw as he sort of endorsed the pan-islamic europe dream..but let me remind you that appeal to authority is an insult to our own faculties of reason and logic.
    
    and i call upon yours for the same reason
    
    Regards
  - Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:40 pm
    
    i m sorry to say u fat faggot,
    
    No hard feeling moron boy,
    
    But u have taken some CONTEX from text,
    
    now if u r nor not moron read the whole text, and dont exaggerate.
    
    I feel so pity 4 u ppl.
  - Indian Agnostic September 28, 2010 At 11:06 pm
    
    @Top Gun
    
    Thanks a lot for that angry response sans a rebuttal ..it PROVES that you have been EDUCATED
    
    it’s just that this factual education is diametrically opposite to what you earlier BLINDLY believed in ..and hence the anger
    
    Your anger..you must know ..is more against your own ignorance and less against me
    
    by the way ..one more lesson for you (now that you are showing signs of improvement)
    
    The Hadit and Sirat THEMSELVES are the CONTEXT of the Quran…there’s NO other context to explore this doctrine of yours
    
    best regards
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 9:46 pm
    
    @top gun, shaane, I also take things out of context, and say that all hindu scriptures teach me to fight and kill muslims. Devil quoting the scriptures.
    What you gonna do? Teach me context?
  - Dr Vijay Singh September 28, 2010 At 10:49 pm
    
    Bravo…@indian agnostic
    supreme work…
  - Indian Agnostic September 28, 2010 At 11:14 pm
    
    Thank you Dr Singh
    
    It hurts to see that the doctrine which we Indians could not stand to defeat in the past ..some of our brothers stand to defend in the present
    
    I hope the rational ones amongst our lost brothers see through the evils of these forced doctrines and come back to our roots
    
    I am surprised that someone can choose this violent doctrine in lieu of the rich Indian philosophical and spiritual doctrines ..it’s as much theirs as it is ours …they are ours ..but they refuse to acknowledge despite the evidences
    
    But i have not lost hope ..Indians will come back their roots …i have no doubts about that [ @Top Gun will take longer by the way :)) ]
    
    Best regards
  - Person August 26, 2010 At 4:20 pm
    
    Dear Kaprix, The actual history is something else but it has been changed to make villan to hero and heroes made villians. Aurangzeb though being the king used to stitch clothes, write quraan with his hand, sell them and make his living. He used to sleep on the plain floor with out any cushions even. He never used money for personal reasons out of govt funds. He was very god fearing person. If you want to find the real truth of Muslim rulers, you will find from the original records available in a library in London. After Britishers left, the history of particularly muslim rulers was manipulated and changed. What we find in the records today is manipulated to defame them. You can still find many such monuments etc in India which have been the pride of the country since their time. There contribution was tremendous, not like todays rulers/politicians who are corrupt, looting the country to their fullest. Yet they are unthankful.
    
    The person who says he has read quran 100s of times is 100% lying. He is only bound to defame islam otherwise, having read quran even 2-3 times would definitely bring change in him bcoz quran is not any human being word. It is direct communication from Allah to us and it is bound to bring changes in ones heart and mind not like he claims to have found things otherwise………… These are big liars trying to bring hatred & deviate muslims and non-muslims alike. Why should he be bothered and concerned about minority muslims in india to change their religion?. The simple reason is bcoz Islam is a true religion & spreading so fast that they are afraid one day Islam will become a major religion…… you are intelligent to understand the rest. Take care.
  - Indian Agnostic August 26, 2010 At 5:18 pm
    
    @Person
    
    ➊ Nobody is denying that Aurangzeb followed the Quran very strictly. And THAT is the reason why he was so INHUMAN towards the non-muslims
    
    Since you seem to rejoice at the bloodbath of non-muslims..you would definitely find him to be a great person.
    
    The irony of Islam is exactly this..the more strictly you follow the book ..the more insensitive you become to human values and life.
    
    ➋You are also not aware of the chronicles of these rulers.They were very proud of the fact that they destroyed a lot a temples and killed a lot of kuffars…They wanted to earn the title of Ghazis.
    
    and to help you understand how cruel and disgusting Aurangzeb was here’s a link of the AHKAM-I-ALAMGIRI by Hamid-ud-din Khan Bahadur (Mind you Khan Bahadur was not British guy ..he was a devout muslim who narrates the ‘great’ acts of aurangzeb)
    
    ◤http://www.archive.org/stream/AnecdotesOfAurangzeb/AnecdotesOfAurangzib#page/n11/mode/1up
    
    Meantime Aurangzib had begun to give free play to his religious bigotry. In April, 1669 he ordered the provincial governors to “destroy all the temples and schools of the infidels and to utterly put down their teachings and religious practices.” The wandering Hindu saint Uddhav Bairagi was confined in the police lock-up. The Vishwanath temple at Benares was pulled down in August 1669. The grandest shrine of Mathura, Kesav Rai’s temple, built at a cost of 33 lakhs of Rupees by the Bundela Rajah Birsingh Dev, was razed to the ground in January, 1670, and a
    mosque built on its site. “The idols of this temple were brought to Agra and buried under the steps of Jahanara’s mosque that they might be constantly trodden on” by the Muslims going in to pray. About this time the temple of Somnath on the south coast of the Kathiawar peninsula was demolished, and the offering of worship there ordered to be stopped◥
    
    THANKS TO THE INTERNET THE TRUTH CAN NO LONGER BE HIDDEN
    
    And with people like you who can praise such a disgusting character..i am sure how much united we are as a country.
    
    where i would hate anybody who killed even a single human being for his faith as disgusting ..you would praise the one who killed millions just because he was a muslim.
    
    thanks for showing us what Islam turns a person into @Person
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 10:00 pm
    
    @person, abe shaane, read your last sentence. Islam is fastest growing religion, and they will become majority, you are intelligent to undertsand the rest. OFCOURSE we are. once you mussies become majority yu wipe us out, like what happened to hindus in pakistan, bangladesh and kashmir. Bloody bastard
  - Prashanth August 26, 2010 At 9:34 pm
    
    Indeed, no religion may encourage indiscriminate killings but in India, invading Muslim kings have introduced themselves by killing millions of innocent, commoners. Lets not shy away from facts that has a testimony of even neutral, international historians.
Van August 25, 2010 At 10:18 pm

This is the exact problem with Islam:

People are considering invaders, terrorists and materialistic people as practicing Muslims just because they justify their shameful and unhumanitarian acts in the name of Islam.

Muhammad Ghori, Ghazni, Auranzeb are considered role models in Pakistan and even by some sections of fundamental Muslims in India like SIMI for bringing Islam in the subcontinent. But on further readings anyone will conclude that these people were invaders, conquering their materialistic lust. They have no connection with spirituality. Forget the past, even dreaded terrorists such as Osama bin Laden is emulated by young Muslims because he justifies his acts in the name of Islam.

Hence, the main problem that has infected Islam is lack of spiritual role models that normal muslims can emulate and strive to become.

Ideally, role models in Islam should be saints such as Hazrat Mian Mir, who was a close friend of Guru Arjan Dev Ji, and who initiated the construction of the Golden Temple by laying the first foundation stone. Another inspirational figure is Dara Sikhon who translated of 50 Upanishads from its original Sanskrit into Persian in so it could be read by Muslim scholars.

To highlight the aspect of spirituality of Hazrat Mian Mir, I have produced an encounter that taken place between him and Emperor Jahangir:

“Once, Jahangir, the Mughal emperor, with all his retinue came to pay homage to the great faqir. He came with all the pomp and show that befitted an emperor. Mian Mir’s sentinels however, stopped the emperor at the gate and requested him to wait until their master had given permission to enter. Jahangir felt slighted. No one had ever dared delay or question his entry to any place in his kingdom. Yet he controlled his temper and composed himself. He waited for permission. After a while, he was ushered into Mian Mir’s presence. Unable to hide his wounded vanity, Jahangir, as soon as he entered, told Mian Mir in Persian: Ba dar-e-darvis darbane naa-bayd (“On the doorstep of a faqir, there should be no sentry”). Pir Mian Mir, whose mind and soul were one with the Lord, caring little for the emperor’s irritation, replied in Persian: Babayd keh sag-e-dunia na ayad (“They are there so that the dogs of the world/selfish men may not enter”). The emperor was ashamed and asked for forgiveness.

Then, with folded hands, Jahangir requested Mian Mir to pray for the success of the campaign which he intended to launch for the conquest of the Deccan. Meanwhile, a poor man entered and, bowing his head to Mian Mir, made an offering of a rupee before him. The Pir asked the devotee to pick up the rupee and give it to the poorest, neediest person in the audience. The devotee went from one dervish to another but none accepted the rupee. The devotee returned to Mian Mir with the rupee saying: “Master, none of the dervishes will accept the rupee. None is in need, it seems.” “Go and give this rupee to him,” said the faqir, pointing to Jahangir. “He is the poorest and most needy of the lot. Not content with a big kingdom, he covets the kingdom of the Deccan. For that, he has come all the way from Delhi to beg. His hunger is like a fire that burns all the more furiously with more wood. It has made him needy, greedy and grim. Go and give the rupee to him.”

If Muslims emulates spiritual figures such as Mian Mir, Jalaudin Rumi, even Prophet Mahumaad PBUH, then what a wonderful community it would be? Unfortunately, these figures have not become the ambassadors of Islam, and instead, we have materialistic people representing Islam.

- Draksharam Kumar September 28, 2010 At 2:07 pm
  
  Hazrat Mian Mir it seems is an avadhootha(an enlightened person) like Sai baba. I love this person.
  “He is the poorest and most needy of the lot. Not content with a big kingdom, he covets the kingdom of the Deccan. For that, he has come all the way from Delhi to beg. His hunger is like a fire that burns all the more furiously with more wood. It has made him needy, greedy and grim. Go and give the rupee to him.”
  So funny and subtly put by the Master. I bow to him.
  
kaprix007 August 26, 2010 At 12:57 pm

The above mentioned article is more fiction that reality. We should be cautious to comment upon the issues that is so sensitive to the entire country. The blogs that can create havoc on the unity and integrity of the nation may only be termed as anti-national. I wonder why this gentleman did not a research and based his comments on a single book that he thinks is most authentic. It is the duty of the researcher to do ample research and refer to as many sources as possible before passing out some judgment about people or structures as old as the Babri Structure. It is surely not known with certainty that Babur was a homosexual( he would have been stoned to death in those days only if he were a homosexual!)
The act of vandalism and hooliganism that culminated in the destruction of Babri Mosque was the handiwork of Anti National elements who wanted to divide the nation on religious lines so as to extract political mileage! Those behind the destruction of the property of minorities, and of course the lives of innocent people cannot be called ‘PATRIOTS’! An Act of Terror is an ACT of Terror! The attack on Babri mosque is no less heinous than an attack on the Akshardham Temple. Thus, if an attack on Akshardham is a terror attack, my dear the same is applicable to the attack on the Babri Mosque. Moreover, the Babri Mosque was not built on government land or the land usurped by antisocial elements to make a Mandir on the roadside. Thus, while a Mandir can be built on any land(whether disputed or seized by sheer force) but a mosque is only built on private land that is owned by someone, and who donates it WILLINGLY for the construction of the Mosque.
Agnivesh i would suggest you to do a little research and reading on other religions as well. This will open your understanding of relgion of other poeople sa well as yours and may keep you off making anti social elements(which can be done by our ENEMIES only!)

- atheist jabali August 26, 2010 At 3:13 pm
  
  @kaprix007
  “An Act of Terror is an ACT of Terror! The attack on Babri mosque is no less heinous than an attack on the Akshardham Temple. Thus, if an attack on Akshardham is a terror attack, my dear the same is applicable to the attack on the Babri Mosque. ”
  Continuing the same analogy, the breaking of idols by Abraham was also heinous and a terror attack. So was the breaking of idols by Muhammad at Mecca.
  
  “….a mosque is only built on private land that is owned by someone, and who donates it WILLINGLY for the construction of the Mosque”.
  oH! s This applies to ur Grand Mosque at Mecca? The pagans “donated it willingly to Muhammad and Muslims” Is it?
  
- Indian Agnostic August 26, 2010 At 4:43 pm
  
  @Kaprix007
  
  ➊ The Babur Nama is BEST resource to learn about Babur .It’s his autobiography after alll. What’s the resource according to you by the way?
  ➋If the unity of this country hangs around the structure named after a KNOWN temple destroyer and slayer of non-muslims..there’s something seriously wrong about the sense of ‘UNITY’ of this country..It’s just a false sense of Unity
  ➌ Babur invaded our Nation ..destroyed it’s architectural marvels ..and you have the audacity to say that destroying his structures is anti-national ..Wake UP ..India is not Saudio Arabia !!
  Any body who feels proud of the loot of India by descendants of Timur Lung and Ghauri is the ‘ant-national’ in my opinion
  ➍ From Kaaba to Fire Temples of Babylon and Persia to India …most Islamic places of worship were created on top of the previous religions infrastructure.
  ➎If tomorrow the Taliban builds a mosque at the place where they blew away the Bamaian Buddhas ..it would become your birthright to claim it as minority property ? GREAT !!
  
  having said that, I would say that more than the Babri Structure Hindus should be up against the Government for taking away all the temple money in the name endowment (a british legacy)
  
- hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 10:03 pm
  
  @kaprix007 go and give your lectures to kashmiri muslims
  
aditya August 26, 2010 At 3:21 pm

Dear Muslims, I have read Koran 100 of times to find some spirituality in it. But I find more about Mohamed sex, wives, slaves, fight between his wives, war and many more bad things which a human brain can’t digest. I ask all of you to be rational first and then judge Koran, you will find your true path.
Please ignore if it hurts you. I am just doing anti dawa to Islam, so that this human civilization will progress further. My religion is only anti-Islam.Yar chod do Islam ko or koi religion pakad lo, otherwise, if there exist some hell, U will find yourself in hell with your rapist and liar, criminal prophet. If there is some judgment day according to Koran, Mohammad will be at sitting with Satan for his turn of punishment. Please leave this cult, internet and this information technology has made everything clear about Islam. IT IS VERY GOOD TIME TO LEAVE THIS STUPIDITY BEHIND AND PROGRESS FURTHER AS ANORMAL HUMAN BEING. I wish that all Muslims will leave Islam as soon as possible. At last please become rational , stop killing other in name of rapist mohmad..

- tahir September 18, 2010 At 5:58 pm
  
  spend 1 week in studying about Islam and mohammad (pbuh) with open mind , i promiise you all will become muslim like your shankracharya ,brian lara, michel jackson, yousaf youhana,sunita williams,and millions.
  
  - Indian Agnostic September 18, 2010 At 7:14 pm
    
    Brother @Tahir
    
    why don’t you open your mind to the obvious gaps of knowledge in Quran and it’s God
    
    Quran’s God claims in 36:36 and 51:49 that He created everything in pairs.
    
    “Quran 51:49 “And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful”
    
    He did not know that in this world there are indeed some single-sex species –NO PAIRS NEED!
    “Why Ladies-Only Species Don’t Need Men”
    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/secrets-of-asexuality?npu=1&mbid=yhp
    
    Also, please note that your mind is good enough to know the truth if you ACTUALLY USE IT!
    
    and you should be embarrassed to quote fake conversion stories..The Christian Sunita Williams took Bhagvat Gita and Ganesha to the space station gifted by her Hindu dad…BUT EVEN THEN ..it does not make Hindusim great!…ONE SHOULD APPLY ONES MIND AND USE REASON TO FIND THE TRUTH..don’t become slave to personalities..your own mind is good enough if you are smart enough to use it in the first place.
    
    May your rational mind awaken asap
    Regards
  - hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 10:08 pm
    
    @tahir, saale tum mussalman kabhi jhoot bolna chodoge? NObody among shankaracharya, brian lara, michale jackson or sinita williams converted. Yousuf yohanna converted and grew a big beard becacuse he was a christain playing for islamic pakistan. He would never become captain otherwise. To advance his career he accepted islam. next time dont tell lies. Michael jackson visited bahrain doesnt mean he converted. I also read islam 3 times, I still havent converted. What do you say to that?
    Tere se bad shaana mujhe mila tha. He was saying nathuram godse also accepted islam. I met his brother, gopal godse, alive until 2003, he denied it. But muslims spread their own myths and believe it. Go tell it to the marines.
- not a pagan April 12, 2011 At 5:44 am
  
  http://therr9.wordpress.com/tag/theology/
  
  On the same above site that you suggest, agnostic dear, read about hindus as well.
  
  All the verses from Quran have been quoted out of context. and to a believer, yes a believer and a non-believer can never be equal. So why rant about quran when it is telling the believers how to define their lives?
  
  for arguments sake lets say quran preaches division in humanity, what about manusmirti? dividing and torturing your countrymen, your own co-religionists in the name of caste system?
  
  On women, answer about sati, widow remarriage, shaving of their heads? how many wives, consorts and concubines the bhagwans had? remember the song “mujhe chedo na nand ke lal” why is the bhagwan raping women and the woman crying for help? stealing? and he is not even a mortal prophet like muhammad. he is god incarnate. wow!!!
  
  as for muhammad he married a young girl which was the custom of his society and the girl’s father was his friend. only perverts like you can be friends with a person who rapes your daughter. think over it smart boy. not only this, this young girl outlived muhammad for many many years and always said the best of him. She was free and could have ran away instead of living as his widow and could have told bad things about him. its all your bias that speaks ignorance.
  
  and look at all the gory details in your holybooks , all the nakedness in your temples.
  
  Look, good or bad islam is not going to fly away, neither christianity or judaism.
  
  Accept that you are pagans. whats wrong with that if you are so and leave the three above religions alone. you dont know what sorcery and filth your religion is compared to these three (to make you happy lets say that these religions are as bad as you say).
  
  this is your inferiority complex that compells you to insult religions which far outshine your abracadabra naryal-phodna, tantric dance, ghee-frying yajnas (give the ghee to the poors instead), butter-stealing krishna, blood drinking kali, and ram! oh sweet ram! so sweet but still he doubted his innocent wife?!
  
  i am an indian muslim whose parents were hindus. its established. but what a good riddance. otherwise i wld be called a dasi (slave) of my swami husband for seven lives!!! talk on womens’ rights and slavery!
  
  i will tell all of you to spend time elsewhere. leave this religion business. especially the pagans can just spend time reading their vedas and mahabhartas and washing the feet of their brahman priests. by the way you make good scene while dancing and chanting in your temples, with a tray of spices, colors, fire and nick-nacks in your hands. why does your allwise god need such kitchen ingredients to be propitiated?
  
  peace (if you understand that) and dont reply.
  
  - Vajra April 12, 2011 At 10:47 am
    
    Namaste not a pagan
    
    ———-On the same above site that you suggest, agnostic dear, read about hindus as well.——–
    
    The site mentioned above has no hindu muslim whatsoever 🙁
    
    ———–and to a believer, yes a believer and a non-believer can never be equal.———–
    
    1. Is this why Quran says the idolaters and non believers as worst of creatures? What if I say so to Muslims?
    2. I believe in ONE GOD but dont believe in Muhammad. How my belief is different from yours and who is more monotheistic? For me, you do shirk by remembering Muhammad with Allah in prayers.
    
    ———–for arguments sake lets say quran preaches division in humanity, what about manusmirti? dividing and torturing your countrymen, your own co-religionists in the name of caste system?———–
    
    We reject those portions of Manusmriti completely which talk about any kind of discrimination. We send Lanat to such writings. Do you reject the hateful verses of Quran and Hadith in the same lines and send Lanat to them and their author?
    
    ———–On women, answer about sati, widow remarriage, …….. and he is not even a mortal prophet like muhammad. he is god incarnate. wow!!!————
    
    Please share the Mantras of Sati etc from Vedas. Widow marriages are encouraged in Vedas. Krishna is not God. We believe he was a great human being and the stories you mentioned are fake. We dont believe those books which contain such stories. Do you now condemn and reject those books which talk of pedophilia, rape, sex slaves, killing etc?
    
    ———–as for muhammad he married a young girl which was the custom of his society and the girl’s father was his friend.———–
    
    By your logic Muhammad could have drunk also because drinking too was the custom of his society 🙁
    
    ———- only perverts like you can be friends with a person who rapes your daughter.———-
    
    Its not like that. In fact it is other way round! Muhammad married the kid Aisha because Abu Bakr could have not refused Muhammad’s proposal of giving Aisha to her. All of the Sahabas were brain washed, so nothing great even if they agreed to give their 6 years old daughter to a pedo.
    
    ————-She was free and could have ran away instead of living as his widow and could have told bad things about him. its all your bias that speaks ignorance.————-
    
    Ask any Shia what this little girl has done to Islam
    
    ————-and look at all the gory details in your holybooks , all the nakedness in your temples.————
    
    We send Laanat at such temples and their makers. So do you also send Laanat at Babur and the mosque built in his name and all Muslim invaders who conquered India through killing, rape etc and were anti Islamic in their lives?
    
    ————–Accept that you are pagans.————
    
    OK I accept, what you gonna do? I can call you Malechchha, then?
    
    ———–this is your inferiority complex that compells you to insult religions which far outshine your abracadabra naryal-phodna, tantric dance, ghee-frying yajnas (give the ghee to the poors instead), butter-stealing krishna, blood drinking kali, and ram! oh sweet ram! so sweet but still he doubted his innocent wife?!———-
    
    1. Inferiority complex? Do you know who were your ancestors and how they converted to Islam?
    2. Do you know you (Indian Muslim) can never become Khalifa of Muslim Ummah?
    3. Do you know that an Arab can marry your sister but you cant marry an Arab woman because you are Indian and not Arab?
    
    ————i am an indian muslim whose parents were hindus. its established.———–
    
    http://Satyagni.com/2086/how-islam-conquered-india/
    
    ————- but what a good riddance. otherwise i wld be called a dasi (slave) of my swami husband for seven lives!!! talk on womens’ rights and slavery!————
    
    You may like this http://Satyagni.com/1184/muslim-wife-concubine/ and other articles on Women in Islam. Vedas dont say wife is Dasi of husband. You are misinformed.
    
    ———–peace (if you understand that) and dont reply.————
    
    Why? Planning to run away? Read the articles on this site about Vedas and Quran and decide what you should do
    
    thanks
aditya August 26, 2010 At 3:27 pm

after that I disclose it to my friends that I am reading Koran from the last one year, they told me what stupid you are, if you had asked it first to us before reading, you would have saved your one precious year of life. Every non-Muslim have same conclusion. Now I am reading GITA with rational thinking and finding some spirituality.

aditya August 26, 2010 At 3:35 pm

Dear all human being, read one book “23 years” by Ali Dasti, can be downloaded free from iranian site(just google it). It talks about 23 years of profit hood of mohmad. It is not a baised view but a balanced view as a rationliast and athesit, more favourable towards shias. This book is written by an arabic/persian scholar, so the excuse of muslims that there koran is not properly translated is debunked. DEAR MUSLIM BROTHERS/SISTERS, I am very concerned about your mental state, so i recomend you to read it first than comment here. I am wellwisher of musilms not islam.

Sirf-Muslim August 26, 2010 At 10:14 pm

Dear Aditya .

Perhaps you read and understood Quran more than me. From your interpretations and understanding guide me. If I find you true and unbiased in context to why Quran is not word of God, i will denounce Islam at Satyagni.com.

- ARYA XYZ August 27, 2010 At 6:46 pm
  
  @ Sirf-Muslim
  
  आरंभ साथ नाम अल्लाह्के | क्षमा करनेवाला दयालु |
  मंजिल १ | सिपारा १ | सूरत १
  
  Quran starts as above, Initiation with the name of Allah, he forgives and is kind. Manjil 1, Siparaa 1, Surat 1.
  If the Quran is the word of Allah, then why Allah starts with his own name instead of saying that initiation of messages to the human beings or some other quote. This shows that Quran is not word of Allah from the initiation itself.
  Sirf Muslim Brother, please read chapter 14th of Satyaprakash by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
  
  - not a pagan April 12, 2011 At 6:00 am
    
    arya bhai,
    
    do some more research.
    
    each chapter begins with it simply because ‘quran’ means ‘to read’ as in oratory. and the reader is human not god who wrote it for the humans. samjhe?
    
    and my point is not if quran is the word of god or not. khush hojao. samjho quran is not word of god but prove that the vedas are so or manusmirti is so, or mahabharta and ramayana are so or for that matter kamasutra (hinduism teaches that also? i like it. no wonder it’s such a groovy religion!!!)
    
    prove scientifically the existence of rama, or the elephant god, or the monkey god?
    
    do it and i shall acce[t the pagan faith of my pagan ancestors. it’s a promise.
    
    in fact lets wipe islam away.
    
    Now my mind is clean. Teach me a hinduism which is totally rational, clean, no myths, no magics, no violence, no trishuls, no ajanta and ellora nakedness, no enslaving of shudras and forcing them to clean your shit for ages and ages, no mishappen half animal half human gods, total respect of womens’ rights, their share in property, above all the unity of god. etc.
    
    by the way to all muslims and others: michael jackson did not convert to islam. and islam does not need anyone to convert to it. so dont quote from rumors. there is nothing to be proud of in such things as michael jackson becoming a muslim.
  - Vajra April 12, 2011 At 11:07 am
    
    Namaste not a pagan
    
    ————each chapter begins with it simply because ‘quran’ means ‘to read’ as in oratory. and the reader is human not god who wrote it for the humans. samjhe?————
    
    Nahi samjhe 🙁 Any verse which Allah wants Muhammad to recite is started with “Ikara” means “read”. But no Ikara was read before Bismillah leads to the conclusion that Allah is praising some bigger God 🙁
    
    ———-and my point is not if quran is the word of god or not.————
    
    Even if it were, you could have not prove it dear friend 🙁
    
    ————prove that the vedas are so or manusmirti is so, or mahabharta and ramayana are so or for that matter kamasutra (hinduism teaches that also?————
    
    1. Regarding Veda, you can refer articles on Vedas on this site. Even if you disagree on this, you will not be put to hell for your disbelief in those 🙂
    
    2. None of us claimed that Manusmriti, Mahabharat or Ramayan or any other book is from God.
    
    ————prove scientifically the existence of rama, or the elephant god, or the monkey god?———-
    
    The day you prove existence of Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad etc scientifically, I will try to do it for Ram. I dont believe in elephant god or monkey god. But let me ask you! Can you prove scientifically that a flying donkey existed which took Muhammad to sky to meet Allah, a she camel born from stone, stones talking to Moses, Jesus born without father etc?
    
    ———–do it and i shall acce[t the pagan faith of my pagan ancestors. it’s a promise.———–
    
    Now by your logic, you should leave Islam immediately because you cant have proofs for the above. I am inviting you to the Dharma of Vedas. Read about it on the site and decide.
  - Vajra April 12, 2011 At 11:09 am
    
    not a pagan
    
    cont.. from the previous
    
    ————Teach me a hinduism which is totally rational, clean, no myths, no magics,…..——–
    
    http://Satyagni.com/series/vedic-lessons/
    
    In the end I request you to kindly remember your ancestors who were brutally killed/raped and converted to Islam- the Arab national movement. Idol worship is against Vedas too, it is irrational too but killing the idolaters is not only irrational but an act of terrorism which is billion times more sinful than idol worship. So dont favor the terrorist fools who killed and raped your/our ancestors. You would have seen in the article itself how this Ghazi of Islam killed the natives and converted them to Islam.
    
    VEDAS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, NO IDOL WORSHIP, NO KABA WORSHIP, NO GRAVE WORSHIP, NO HUMAN WORSHIP, NO PROPHET WORSHIP, ONLY FORMLESS OMNIPRESENT EESHVAR WORSHIP.
    
    I invite you to your actual Dharm of Vedas.
  - adolf April 12, 2011 At 12:25 pm
    
    Being from a religion which contains verses on how to maintain sex slaves and how to fondle…… I can understand your craving for sex and virgins. kamasutra is all yours brother, you can even claim that aisha gave kamasutra to world from the experience she had with….
  - KalBhairav April 12, 2011 At 2:20 pm
    
    @not a pagan:
    
    Now my mind is clean. Teach me a hinduism which is totally rational, clean, no myths, no magics, no violence, no trishuls, no ajanta and ellora nakedness, no enslaving of shudras and forcing them to clean your shit for ages and ages, no mishappen half animal half human gods, total respect of womens’ rights, their share in property, above all the unity of god. etc.
    
    What you wrote 2nd line onwards contradicts your first line. Your mind is *not* clean. You still hold preconceived notions that Hinduism is all about myths, magics, trishuls, nakedness, caste system, animal gods, etc.
    
    I doubt whether you have come here with the noble intentions of understanding Hinduism starting with a clean mind. Be that as it may, it is also impossible for one of us here to give you the complete Vedic dharma. There has to be effort from your side. Agreed?
    
    Assuming you agree, I suggest a self-study/contemplation of the Brahmasutras. There is no single “most authentic” version of the Brahmasutras. You are free to choose whichever commentary appeals to you the most. Those of us who believe in an alternative commentary do not hold or believe that you will go to hell for not believing in our version.
    
    There are different versions because the perception of the Divine is unique to each individual. What is important is what is common between different versions/expressions of Hinduism. The commonality between Rama, Hanuman or Ganeshji is that there is Divinity within all of them. That Divinity derives from the Ultimate Supreme – Brahman.
dr vivek arya August 26, 2010 At 11:00 pm

its amazing to read that our Muslim brothers are fighting for a structure build by a person who was drug addict and homosexual.

aditya August 27, 2010 At 9:57 am

Dear Sirf muslim or any muslim?

What topic from koran you want me to read and expalin to you ?

1) want me to expalin the extramarital life of mohmad with her slave girl mariya and wife hafsa episode? verses in koran realted to this..
2) do you want me the expalin the pervert nature of mohmad to his daughter in law Jianab?
verses in koran related to this
3)do you want be expalin the term war booty for profit sorry prophet( killing of able body man, women to be slaved or sex slaved, distributted among fighter, small childern will be taken as slaves?
do you still belive this book is written by a omnipotent and onmipresent God, I have a clear dount about this.
4)This book is written so poorley that to understand it you need hadiths, so koran is not complete
5) How supreme god is so much interested in sex life mohmad, he grant every licence to sex for mohmad?
Koran is astupidity forced on intelligent peoples.

Please read koran verses in cronological order, you will find that it is man made and to fullfill the need of mohmad..
I again invite you to read koran in proper context to get insight in real profit mohmad.

Ramzan August 27, 2010 At 10:15 am

Aditya, learn english and then read Quran, then comment.

- hindu militant January 22, 2011 At 10:13 pm
  
  I read english and also arabic, and I declare shahada
  la illaha mafi allah
  mohammed dur rasul shaitaan.
  
Ramzan August 27, 2010 At 10:22 am

The treatment of Sita by Raven and Ram, the tradition of satti, marrying his sister by Raja Dahir and the treatment of daasees in mandirs by the pandits and prohits and it goes on and on. This shows the respect your religion has for wpmen. Religion! its not even, its just based on a few sex stories. You worship all elephants, snakes, monkeys, cows, cocks and cunts and your favourite drink is urine and then you claim to be scholars. I have not used any abusive language ,its what you have, isn’t it.

- Indian Agnostic August 27, 2010 At 2:40 pm
  
  @Ramzan
  
  ➊ Ravan behaved the same way your prophet did only that Ravan did not kill the husbands, brothers and fathers of the woman he abducted.So conduct wise Ravan was ten times better than Muhammad but still a wrong man.
  
  While the people who looted, plundered and murdered innocent men and took their wives captive are treated with great respect in Islam…They are despicably looked down upon by the rest of all humanity.
  
  In this 21st century such goons will be behind bars in any non-islamic country
  
  ➋ The tradition of sati started when the invading ghazi barbarians attacked India.If sati was the norm how come Rama’s mother Kausalya or kaikeyi didnt commit sati ..or much later ..why did the mother of the pandavs Kunti did not commit sati??
  
  It was the devout muslim ghazis who ARE ALLOWED by a cruel god to take women captive which forced non-muslim women to commit sati rather than becomne concubines of uncouth uncultured barbarians.
  
  here’s the proof documented by none othger than the sufi Amir Khusrau himself in his memoir Khanal’ul Futuh
  
  http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=02003020&ct=12&rqs=289&rqs=290&rqs=291&rqs=292&rqs=293
  
  <>
  
  Such is the despicable history of Islam in India.
  
  I hope you become human in your next life
  
  ➌ You might know that Ravana forcefully took Sita and the ramayana does not give us any account of sex (i know it’s different in the quran and hadit so you are finding it difficult to imagine) between any of these characters. But just to quench your hunger for sex , let me give you a possible account
  
  here’s your authentic link for the same:
  http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/048.sbt.html#003.048.829
  Hadrat Aisha (prophet Muhammad’s wife and Mother of Muslims) and the camel rider Safwan bin Mu’attal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani
  
  Mind you ..i don’t believe that anything wrong happened that night between the two..but people like your imagination about Sita will find this aisha safwan enconter more juicy ..enjoy ..sky is the limit
  
aditya August 27, 2010 At 10:46 am

Dear Ramjan or any muslim or sirf muslim,
I am an expert of Islam, Koran, hadith and specially profit Mohamed not Hindu religion. So please, if you want to say something about Islam, you are welcome, otherwise no need to reply. It is your religion which is asking people to follow Mohamed; your religion wants to kill other faith people. It is your religion which is danger to human civilization, freedom of expression. It is your religion which claims to be last and final one; it is your claim that this religion is for whole humanity. It is your claim that your religion is for all time. SO FOCUS ON ISALM AND MOHMAD.

ONE THING I WANT TO CLEAR MY DEAR MUSLIM OR RAMJAN OR SIRF MUSLIM, ALL ABOVE MENTIONED CLAIM ARE FLASE, BECUASE YOU’RE FOLLOWING A FALSE PROHIT AND FALSE RELIGION.

One thing I am not an expert of English, but I can understand it properly, I am a science student, I believe in rationality not in your false and stupid religion. So I have a reason but your Koran don’t have anything.

aditya August 27, 2010 At 10:52 am

its edited version:

1. Dear Sirf muslim or any muslim?
What topics from koran you want me to read and explain to you?
1) Want me to explain the extramarital life of mohmad with her slave girl mariya and wife hafsa episode? Verses in Koran related to this..
2) Do you want me to explain the pervert nature of mohmad to his daughter in law Jianab?
verses in Koran related to this
3) do you want be explain the term war booty for profit sorry prophet (killing of able body man, women to be slaved or sex slaved, distributed among fighter, small children will be taken as slaves?
do you still believe this book is written by a omnipotent and omnipresent God, I have a clear doubt about this.
4) This book is written so poorly that to understand it you need hadiths, so Koran is not complete
5) how supreme god is so much interested in sex life Mohamed, he grant every license to sex for Mohamed?
Koran is a stupidity forced on intelligent peoples.
Please read Koran verses in chronological order, you will find that it is manmade and to fulfill the need of Mohamed..
I again invite you to read Koran in proper context to get insight in real profit Mohamed.

one more thing, my english knowledge is sufficent for giving me my bread.

Shodh August 27, 2010 At 5:17 pm

Not only this they still practice blindly many rituals which is a act of sin

हजारों पशुओं को मारकर ईद मनाने का ये कैसा जाहिल रिवाज़ है ?

पेट भरने के लिए कोई पशु खाए तो समझ में आता है , ये ईश्वर के नाम पर कैसा खून खराबा ?

Fasting during Ramjan month during day time and eating only after sun set.
This is totally against Nature.

In the Name of Islam Muslims are misguided and distroying the basics of humanity.

Some one had decorated Aurangjeba in good picture. yes he did that But also he killed his two elder brothers and made prison by arresting his own Father, many Islamic rulers just for sake of Power and wealth did looted snatch wealth from Hindustan and Hindu Temples, after looting the Temples they did distroyed many times not on e or two but several times. Koran preaches how to divide looted wealth , looted womens/men what to do with them.

“Indian Agnostic says:” has explained the true History and This History is a fact.
we do not against Muslims because they are also Human but we do not support preaches of Koran and Islam/Hadit. Thanks for explaining and taking for great efforts.

Why terminology Kafir (Non muslim must be killed and finished , looted) etc in Islam religion only? what is a thought behinf it? as per koran every thing belongs to Allah, Allah made entire world. So it means Allaha made Kafirs too. Then how such supreme Allah can treat differentially with his own creation? How can he ask to loot Kafir snatching, snabbing, killings of Animals, Vandalising womens and non-muslims, distrubution of womens after defating that region? Is this The Islam?? Hills range name ‘Hindu-Kush’ is famous for what ?

Distruction of Babri Structure is not a terrorist act However distroying several temples and builting mosques on it did by several Islamic rulers is What in language of Koran as per Allaha? Are Hindu people are not then creation of Allah is this the argument ? then the entire claim comcept of Islam Allaha is Vague and to be false. Islam means terror and Islam never bring peace.

Hindu is such a classic cultural civilization still practiced on this Globe without preaching of it’s expantion / Marketing alike advocated in Bible and Koran both. Prof Mohammad preacehs that as per Allaha (ref Koran) 4 marriages are allowed for one man. But see the fact is PBUH himself did tied 11marriages (ooficially , unofficially not known)

After death of PBUH his followers fought and killed each other for power and wealth, same did by every Islamic ruler family. and region to region Rulers Afghani, Turkey, Irani, Mughals, and so. In modern world too Pakistan formed separately for own power, again Bangladesh formed for separate Power, Afghanistan was ruled by Taliban after distruction of earlier civilization, within Pakistan several power control groups are active leaders are separate /militory has supreme power/ northern-east region is dominated by some other group.
Islam is a name of criminal act Demon practice Killings. Islam will never bring peace to Humanity and thus to world.

MUSLIM August 27, 2010 At 6:28 pm

Hi all ,
Firstly i cannot understand why the issue of babri masjid is related to babur ,the reason why any muslim would not tolerate is demolition of a masjid ,so Satyagni demolishing masjid just because it was made by babur is complety unreasonable there are lot of temples ,church and other religious intitution which is funded by resources which should not be used for any religious place so do you want to say we should demolish all such places , i think the situation would have been same if this masjid was not built by babur , i am sure there was lot hindu kings who made temples and were unjust you cannot say all hindu kings were just with their people so lets dig out all that places and demolish first , i think so this could have been easier to sort unless masjid was demolished what if any muslims would have done same to any temple instead of babri masjid , so thats why i cannot your logicof saying it was good if masjid was demolish because it was made by babur,
now secndly those who feel that islam preaches hate or any misconception about islam is absolutely ridiculeous everyone is refering to koran versus but did any actually treid to understand why did prophet marry her on daughter just by reading some versus you cannot understand whole concept .
Lastly
when you are saying islam was spread forcefully by invading countries is wrong Islam spread by invitation (dawaat) no one ever forced anybody to join islam from that time till today, when you are saying that at mecca there was several followers of prohpet who left and moved to madina because they do not wanted to force any one to islam and they sacrificed their own people so i think whoever are postings this comments just by reading two lines you cannot understand any religion so let not changed the topic who bulit the masjid but why the hell it was destroyed if it was structered there anyone wants any further info can post it and will surely reply to it .
Regards

- Indian Agnostic August 27, 2010 At 7:27 pm
  
  Dear @MUSLIM
  
  ❶Babur has everything to do with Babri Masjid. He was a hater & killer of non-muslims and destroyer of their properties and temples. He himself has recorded at some places his acts of terror in his Babur Nama. Here’s a little sample of what kind of devil he was :
  ❴ Babur Nama
  Having returned from my visit to Sīkri on Monday, the 14th of the first Rabi, I set out, in pursuance of a vow, on* a holy war against Chanderi,
  On the top of a hill, to the north-west of Chanderi, I erected a tower of the heads of the pagans. The words Fateh dār-ul-harb* (the conquest of the city hostile to the faith) were found to contain the date of its conquest
  http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03501052%26ct%3D69 ❵
  ❷ You have the guts to say that no muslim can agree to the destroying of a masjid .But you are hell bent on supporting the idiot who destroyed a temple to build that babri masjid.
  ❸There are not one but hundreds of masjids in India that have been built by destroying temples.NO historian or archaeologist denies that ..even for the babri structure! A Muslim should himself feel embarrassed by this fact .Instead you are clinging on to a person and structure that tells the atrocities that islam and it’s followers have inflicted on India.
  ❹ The Quwwat-ul-Islam Masjid.at Qutub minar itself was constructed by razing the temple which existed there and out of the material gathered by destroying 27 other temples!!![AND THIS IS A FACT >>IF YOU VISIT THAT PLACE EVEN TODAY YOU WOULD STILL FIND THAT INSCRIPTION THERE]
  Still, the Hindus are demanding one temple back as they believe it’s the birth place of their lord.
  any body supporting the mosque should be thoroughly ashamed of oneself in the light of the above facts
  
- Indian Agnostic August 27, 2010 At 7:29 pm
  
  Dear @MUSLIM
  
  ❶Babur has everything to do with Babri Masjid. He was a hater & killer of non-muslims and destroyer of their properties and temples. He himself has recorded at some places his acts of terror in his Babur Nama. Here’s a little sample of what kind of devil he was :
  ❴ Babur Nama
  Having returned from my visit to Sīkri on Monday, the 14th of the first Rabi, I set out, in pursuance of a vow, on* a holy war against Chanderi,
  On the top of a hill, to the north-west of Chanderi, I erected a tower of the heads of the pagans. The words Fateh dār-ul-harb* (the conquest of the city hostile to the faith) were found to contain the date of its conquest
  http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03501052%26ct%3D69 ❵
  ❷ You have the guts to say that no muslim can agree to the destroying of a masjid .But you are hell bent on supporting the idiot who destroyed a temple to build that babri masjid.
  ❸There are not one but hundreds of masjids in India that have been built by destroying temples.NO historian or archaeologist denies that ..even for the babri structure! A Muslim should himself feel embarrassed by this fact .Instead you are clinging on to a person and structure that tells the atrocities that islam and it’s followers have inflicted on India.
  ❹ The Quwwat-ul-Islam Masjid.at Qutub minar itself was constructed by razing the temple which existed there and out of the material gathered by destroying 27 other temples!!![AND THIS IS A FACT >>IF YOU VISIT THAT PLACE EVEN TODAY YOU WOULD STILL FIND THAT INSCRIPTION THERE]
  Still, the Hindus are demanding one temple back as they believe it’s the birth place of their lord.
  any body supporting the mosque should be thoroughly ashamed of oneself in the light of the above facts
  
- Sunny Chawla August 27, 2010 At 7:37 pm
  
  lots of Mandirs were destroyed by Muslim kings, what else do u want ?
  and the Babri Masjid, there was a mandir before which Babur destroyed and built a masjid there…
  
  and if U think that Islam didn’t spread by sword, then read the history of Maharana Pratap, Chhatrapati Shivaji, Guru Arjun Dev, Guru Teg Bahadur and Guru Gobind Singh … there are lots of others but learing their stories would be enough …!!!
  
- Indian Agnostic August 27, 2010 At 7:45 pm
  
  Dear @MUSLIM
  
  ❶Babur has everything to do with Babri Masjid. He was a hater & killer of non-muslims and destroyer of their properties and temples. He himself has recorded at some places his acts of terror in his Babur Nama. Here’s a little sample of what kind of devil he was :
  ❴ Babur Nama
  Having returned from my visit to Sīkri on Monday, the 14th of the first Rabi, I set out, in pursuance of a vow, on* a holy war against Chanderi,
  On the top of a hill, to the north-west of Chanderi, I erected a tower of the heads of the pagans. The words Fateh dār-ul-harb* (the conquest of the city hostile to the faith) were found to contain the date of its conquest
  http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03501052%26ct%3D69 ❵
  ❷ You have the guts to say that no muslim can agree to the destroying of a masjid .But you are hell bent on supporting the idiot who destroyed a temple to build that babri masjid.
  ❸There are not one but hundreds of masjids in India that have been built by destroying temples.NO historian or archaeologist denies that ..even for the babri structure! A Muslim should himself feel embarrassed by this fact .Instead you are clinging on to a person and structure that tells the atrocities that islam and it’s followers have inflicted on India.
  ❹ The Quwwat-ul-Islam Masjid.at Qutub minar itself was constructed by razing the temple which existed there and out of the material gathered by destroying 27 other temples!!![AND THIS IS A FACT >>IF YOU VISIT THAT PLACE EVEN TODAY YOU WOULD STILL FIND THAT INSCRIPTION THERE]
  
  Still, the Hindus are demanding one temple back as they believe it’s the birth place of their lord.
  
  any body supporting the mosque should be thoroughly ashamed of oneself in the light of the above facts
  
  ❺Now you say that people here are quoting the verses of Quran and Hadit without understanding the deeper meaning.
  
  ➔ What deep meaning is there in beheading a lady’s husband and sleeping with her the same day?
  ➔ What deep meaning is there in marrying your own-daughter in law?
  ➔what deep meaning is there in a book that is filled with hate towards unbelievers and unequivocally asks it’s followers to hurt and kill non-muslims?
  
  ➏ Nobody can deny the cruel islamic invasion of India.Muslim historians have very gleefully documented the dastardly acts of these barbarian ghazis.
  here:http://kalkiagnostic.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/peaceful-islamic-and-mughal-invasion-of-india/
  
  ➐ Look at the msulims who are in denial on this site. No facts based rebuttal, no reasoning or logic..the only thing they do ..is to deny whatever facts have been presented.simple isn’t it?
  
  Best Regards
  
aditya August 27, 2010 At 8:35 pm

Dear all Human being,

it is futile to teach a Muslim because there mind is dumb and can’t understand basic things. I have come across a scientist working in reputed lab, but he still believe that Koran is word of GOD and there is nothing wrong with Koran only wrong is the mind of non Muslims who do not have a mind to understand the beauty of Islam. I am totally shocked, a person who have read science especially physics for 20 years still believe in divinity of prophet, who cannot pass the basic test of human being according to humanistic approach. They still consider him the best person to follow in all time to come up to judgment day.

From these I conclude that it is very difficult to give senses to Muslims about right and wrong. It is much easier to guide or convince people of our faith about the danger of Islam.
It is especially for those who consider that our religion has also bad things so Islam can also remain in its bad form without opposition.
But they do not recognize the danger and also they don’t understand or know anything about the Mohamed and Islam.
Islam in its present form is dangerous to human civilization as well as India.
Let’s start Dawa to educate our people about danger and history of Islam. If Muslim has right to spread their ill religion, we have also the same right to educate people about the true and real Islam.

Sirf-Muslim August 27, 2010 At 8:49 pm

Dear Satyagni:

Surely you are biggest antagonist of Jakir Naik. For few sentences I will speak your tongue.After M.B.B.S I think he must have failed to secure a seat for carrying P.G in any discipline of Medical sciences. At the same time just being a M.B.B.S in this present scenario is not conducive economically. So he turned towards theology and his present position is clear to all. As clothed in western dress with sophisticated security and always in want of thousands of audiences to witness his lectures he is preaching Islam just in contrast to Muhammad SAW. Ah; rather earning. Further more he has erected his successor also to hold his empire in future ” Jakir Naik. junior”. Perhaps his daughter is also preparing.

Contrary to Jakir Nalayak what made you to turn towards the profession of fooling people on the name of resurrection of Vedic religion?. Your are an IITian and PG from IIM so financially well set at international level. Theology seems to be a new emerging sector for a trial to new entrepreneur.
My father says religion is a kind of addiction. It has no withdrawal symptoms so everyone must taste it.

Ramzan August 27, 2010 At 10:09 pm

The noble Quran says 48:29
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers – so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.

I repeat, “And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers – so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers.”. This is here your hearts are on fire here and you will burn in hell in the hereafter.

- Indian Agnostic August 27, 2010 At 10:59 pm
  
  Thank you @ Ramzan for confirming the fact that the quran says all this disgusting stuff against the non-muslims.
  
  Dear Muslims
  
  as you can see..@Ramzan is a muslim and he confirms at least one hate verse of the Quran 48:29.
  
  This is not just one verse, i am repeat posting a lot other hate verses of the ignoble quran
  
  ◖Quran 9:28
  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَـذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً
  فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ إِن شَاء إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
  O you who believe! THE IDOLATERS ARE NOTHING BUT UNCLEAN, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year.◗
  
  ◖Quran 9:123
  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ
  O you who believe! FIGHT those of the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE NEAR TO YOU and LET THEM FIND IN YOU HARDNESS; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).◗
  
  ◖Quran 3:28
  لاَّ يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاء مِن دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ أَن
  تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللّهُ نَفْسَهُ وَإِلَى اللّهِ الْمَصِيرُ
  LET NOT THE BELIEVERS TAKE FOR FRIENDS OR HELPERS UNBELIEVERS rather than believers: IF ANY DO THAT, IN NOTHING THERE WILL BE HELP FROM ALLAH◗
  
  ◖Quran 48:29
  مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاء عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَى عَلَى سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْراً عَظِيماً
  Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are FIRM OF HEART AGAINST THE UNBELIEVERS, COMPASSIONATE AMONGST EACH OTHER◗
  
  ◖Quran 3:85
  وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِيناً فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
  And WHOEVER DESIRES A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED FROM HIM, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers◗
  
  ◖Quran 9:23
  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ آبَاءكُمْ وَإِخْوَانَكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء إَنِ اسْتَحَبُّواْ الْكُفْرَ عَلَى الإِيمَانِ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم
  مِّنكُمْ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
  O you who believe! DO NOT TAKE YOUR FATHERS AND BROTHERS for guardians IF THEY LOVE UNBELIEF MORE THAN BELIEF; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust◗
  
  ◖Quran 5:51
  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ
  مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
  O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. HE AMONG YOU WHO TAKETH THEM FOR FRIENDS IS (ONE) OF THEM. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk◗
  
  ◖Quran 8:12
  إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلآئِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرَّعْبَ
  فَاضْرِبُواْ فَوْقَ الأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُواْ مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ
  When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS and STRIKE OF EVERY FINGERTIP of them.◗
  
  NOW TELL ME : WHY SHOULD THIS BOOK OF COMMUNAL HATRED NOT BE BANNED IN INDIA OR ANY DEMOCRATIC NATION ?
  
  We have plenty of @RAMZANs roaming around us ..who believe in this hateful doctrine and are the hideen enemies of humanity
  
  Wake UP! don’t become a @RAMZAN ..reclaim your human values ..come back to humanity and leave this cult
  
  - tauqeer September 21, 2010 At 11:37 pm
    
    It pains me to present distorted picture of any religion and quote out of context to prove my point.My religion does not teach this.But as you are crossing all the limits I would just give you a small glimps to show that we muslims are quite capable of matching your slandarous campain.Here are the glimpsesMay god forgive me.
    1)See the Idols of your gods each one represents violence with all sorts of deadly weapons in their hands and ready to kil.l To name few swords,trishul,chakra,bow and arrow,gada,spears etc etc.Some are shown wearing necklace of human skull,some are showin sucking blood.
    
    NOW SEE THESE VESES OF sacred BHAGWAT GITA
    
    dehi nityam avadhyo ‘yam
    dehe sarvasya bharata
    tasmat sarvani bhutani
    na tvam socitum arhasi
    O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body is eternal and can never be slain. Therefore you need not grieve for any creature.
    sva-dharmam api caveksya
    na vikampitum arhasi
    dharmyad dhi yuddhac chreyo ‘nyat
    ksatriyasya na vidyate
    Considering your specific duty as a ksatriya, you should know that there is no better engagement for you than fighting ; and so there is no need for hesitation.
    yadrcchaya copapannam
    svarga-dvaram apavrtam
    sukhinah ksatriyah partha
    labhante yuddham idrsam
    O Partha, happy are the ksatriyas to whom such fighting opportunities come unsought, opening for them the doors of the heavenly planets
    atha cet tvam imam dharmyam
    sangramam na karisyasi
    tatah sva-dharmam kirtim ca
    hitva papam avapsyasi
    If, however, you do not fight, then you will certainly incur sins for neglecting your duties and thus lose your reputation as a fighter.
    bhayad ranad uparatam
    mamsyante tvam maha-rathah
    yesam ca tvam bahu-mato
    bhutva yasyasi laghavam
    The great generals who have highly esteemed your name and fame will think that you have left the battlefield out of fear only, and thus they will consider you a coward
    hato va prapsyasi svargam
    jitva va bhoksyase mahim
    tasmad uttistha kaunteya
    yuddhaya krta-niscayah
    O son of Kunti, either you will be killed on the battlefield and attain the heavenly planets, or you will conquer and enjoy the earthly kingdom. Therefore get up and fight with determination
    sukha-duhkhe same krtva
    labhalabhau jayajayau
    tato yuddhaya yujyasva
    naivam papam avapsyasi
    Do thou fight for the sake of fighting, without considering happiness or distress, loss or gain, victory or defeat–and, by so doing, you shall never incur sin
    THIS IS JUST A TIP OF ICE BERG I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON BUT I DO NOT WISH TO
  - Tanveer September 22, 2010 At 10:28 am
    
    Very well said Tauqeer, even these people know the truth that is why they are trying to distract the common people by maligning Islam. These people are mischief makers. i m also happy that not all hindus are like Satyagni niehter Satyagni represents the entire hindu community. It is the unity of hindus and muslims that makes India a better place to live in. There are few takers of Satyagni in his own community that is why such communal forces have been thrown out of power. Even then Satyagni has not learnt a lesson.
  - Arya September 22, 2010 At 1:23 pm
    
    @Tanveer, Tauqeer
    Brother, so you are here now! BTW, what happened, why did not you reply to my comment on http://Satyagni.com/1624/islam-the-fastest-growing-religion/ in which I showed you that Muhammad allowed his warriors to rape women? Its easy to praise any Tauqeer for his ignorance but difficult to accept the truth.
    
    Tauqeer mian! Where did we say that punishing someone for his wrong doings is a sin? But problem comes when you define these “wrong doings” as “not believing Muhammad, Satan etc” and you declare war against others just because they dont want to follow a rapist, pedophile, looter self proclaimed prophet. Was Mahabharat fought for religious beliefs? Did Krishna say that Arjun! kill them because they dont believe in what you believe in? Even if you keep on bending on this issue, do we say that Mahabharat is the final word of God and the one, who does not accept it will be burnt in hell forever?
    
    Both of you come from Indian sub continent probably. Your ancestors were the followers of Vedas but they had to reject their faith due to fear of Islamic sword. I invite both of you to the Dharm of Vedas, which your ancestors were proud of.
  - Tanveer September 22, 2010 At 8:23 pm
    
    My dear arya I have already replied to Indian Agnostic whose allegation was much worse than yours but the thing is that I m still getting the message “Your comments are undet moderation. Tell your brother moderator to be brave and allow all the answers to be shown in this forum. If that happens then you will run for cover. In case my messgae is published then read my answer given to Indian Agnostic.
  - Arya September 22, 2010 At 11:49 pm
    
    @Tanveer
    Ok. Please tell me, you asked me to show those hadith which say Muhammad allowed his warriors to rape women. And I showed. Do you accept your defeat on this?
  - Indian Agnostic September 23, 2010 At 12:01 am
    
    @Tanveer, Tauqeer
    
    Your argument holds no ground bro..
    
    1. Quran asks ALL MUSLIMS to hate , hurt and loot the rest of Humanity ..whereas the war dialogue you present from the Gita is about a prince to fight for his rightful claim and not shun his principal duty to reclaim or protect his kingdom
    
    2. Quran spreads hatred based on the other persons religion ..while Gita has no such reference ..it just states to fight according to law and righteousness.
    
    3.Quran’s God is the only God who collects 1/5th of the loot and plunder done by it’s followers
    
    what are you comparing bro ? apples and oranges?
  - Indian Agnostic September 22, 2010 At 9:11 pm
    
    @Tauqeer, Tanveer
    
    (although Gita is not Veda and i am not obliged to defend it ..but i know that it has a far better and sensible message than the few good things in all abrahmic books put together)
    
    What do these verses of the Gita Talk about?
    
    These talk about warrior princes fighting for their right to land ..why do you think warrior princes should not fight for their legitimate rights if all peaceful dialogues fail?
    
    Both pandavas and Kauravas could have shown some legitimcay to their right on the throne as the kingdom belonged to their ancestors
    
    THAT SCENARIO IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF ISLAM
    
    while the Mahabharata is known to be a battle between legit heirs to the throne …The Quran is a suo moto declaration of violence against the rest of Humanity
    
    It asks it’s followers to attack foreign lands and foreign faiths
    
    another MAJOR difference is that Krishna is advising a warrior to fight for his right ..whereas the Quran is asking ALL MUSLIMS to hate and hurt the kafirs
    
    when two armies fight ..there could be some justification in the acts ..BUT the fact that EVERY MUSLIM is commanded to hate or hurt or kill the non-muslims and enjoy the war booty by the Quran makes an irrational, dngerous violence inciting book
    
    Got it sir?
    
    best regards
Alex August 28, 2010 At 3:19 am

Go fuck urself…..
u guys know nothing abt unity n equality…..u ppl r hypocrites……..hypocrisy is wat flows in ur veins.
u hav always wanted to disunite/divide the indian ppl most importantly on the basis of religion n as well as caste,creed n sex etc.
all u ppl ever wanted was to fill the hearts of ppl(hindus) wid hatred for the ppl in minority (mainly muslims but nw christians as well).
if this is wat hinduism is all abt then it is nothing less than the tool to brainwash ppl into becoming murderers,rapists and animals in their worst form.
thr is a thing called humanity……..which is lacking in ppl like u.
u guys complain n cry abt the taliban…………but u guys r just like them………….u guys r nothing less than terrorists.
fuck u all.

- Indian Agnostic August 28, 2010 At 4:01 pm
  
  @Alex
  
  ❶ You exemplify the way a muslim ‘peacefully’ registers his grievance.Thanks for this permanent post 🙂
  ❷Hypocrisy is not in exposing a lie .Hypocrisy is when you recite surahs that call for hatred towards non-muslims in your slaaat and then come to this board compaining about peaceful co-existence
  ❸ Quran unequivocally teaches you guys to hate non-muslims , not make friends with Jews or Christians and hurt them whenever possible. You talking about unity is a big joke.
  
  ❹OK LET”S DO AN EXPERIMENT ..suppose i create a new religion.And it’s holy book has many good verses BUT it also has the following verses::
  
  ➟Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse: 5
  Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the ‘Muslims’ wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! God is Forgiving, Merciful.
  
  ➟Sura: 8 [AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)] Verse: 12
  I will throw fear into the hearts of ‘Muslims’. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
  
  ➟Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse: 28
  O ye who believe! The ‘Muslims’ only are unclean
  
  ➟Sura: 5 [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)] Verse:51
  O ye who believe! Take not the ‘Muslims’ for friends
  
  ➟Sura: 4 [AN-NISA (WOMEN)] Verse:34
  As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them
  
  ➟Sura:9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse:123
  O ye who believe! Fight ‘Muslims’ who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you
  
  NOW ANSWER:
  
  ➀WOULD YOU RESPECT THIS NEW RELIGION OF MINE OR NOT?
  ➁Should i be allowed to practice this religion in any multicultural country?
  ➂Should I kill all those who oppose this new religion of mine?
  
  ❺The difference between hindus/christians AND muslims is that while hindus and christians no longer follow their religious book literally ..the muslims find their book to be the command of God to be followed literally.
  Unfortunately , Quran is an exceptionally intolerant book.It hates idolaters,pagans,jews,christians …in short entire humanity!!
  
  ❻you calling us ‘taliban’!!? …the same taliban who blew away the Bamian Buddhas in the name of Islam?
  your prophet himself destroyed the idols of the poor meccans to make a house for your god.
  Islamic invaders razed all the fire temples or other places of worship wherever they went.
  Iran has lost most of it’s heritage and babylonia completely decimated at the hands of islam
  
  IF there is one threat to humanity ..ITS THE PEOPLE WHO BLINDLY FOLLOW THIS HATE FILLED BOOK OF YOURS.period.
  
- Archie September 19, 2010 At 1:53 am
  
  WELL SAID BRO – You’re absolutely correct, this blog was created and full of hypocrites. These people are just spreading hatred and giving the wrong picture of hinduism. This blog is INSULT TO HINDUISM.
  
  - Indian Agnostic September 19, 2010 At 11:18 am
    
    @Archie
    
    since your faculties of reason and logic have evaporated by the bombardment of truth, you can’t see the obvious fact that this is NOT a hinduism site..this is a site of the Light of Truth.
    
    It promotes the idea of critically challenging the religions that we blindly follow ..and it spares no RELIGION ..be it hinduism, Islam or Christianty ..or any other dogma in this world.
    
    as far as i am concerned it doesn’t matter if this site is an insult to hindusim or islam or christianity or judaism or whateva …to me what matters is that IF ANY of these religious dogmas becomes an INSULT TO HUMANITY or RATIONALITY it MUST BE EXPOSED.
    
    Religions have been the cause of wars, strife and degradation of human values..to oppose them is but a natural for any HUMAN heart ..zombies may feel otherwise of course
- tauqeer September 22, 2010 At 1:07 am
  
  ALEX just be polite and see how they are not able to reply my postings.They are just deliting them.JESUS- MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM HAS SHOWN THE WORLD path of HUMANITY AND POLITENESS. ISA MASIH(one who raises the dead)or ISARUHULLAH(the pious soul) as we muslims call him cannot be understood by these fanatics so there is no point in spoling our langauge.If people start understanding Isaalehsalam there will be total peace in the world.
  
  - Satyagni September 22, 2010 At 10:02 am
    
    Several irrelevant comments have been deleted and further commenting has been disabled on http://Satyagni.com/2029/alert-ayodhya/ owing to sensitive nature of the particular topic. Visitors are requested to debate and discuss on other posts.
    
    Admin
  - tauqeer September 22, 2010 At 1:49 pm
    
    so when replies become too hot for you and in same tone as yours it becomes sensitive and you delit the replies.Why not delit the whole section if it is sensitive?and by the your agressiveness, your langauge makes the entire site sensitive.I is just that others are keeping restrain because of there cultured up bringing.I would sugest do not try to open a can of worms for your self.
  - Arya September 22, 2010 At 1:55 pm
    
    @tauqeer
    Its third time you have threatened us of opening can of worms! Seems you carry it all the time on your back or rather it is the can in your brain in which worms of Jehadi and immoral hadiths were poured from your childhood.
    
    And brother, supporting Babri Masjid made in the name of a gay drinker Babur, have you not insulted Allah?
  - tauqeer September 22, 2010 At 2:20 pm
    
    now now now where did I threaten you?If you do not know what the phrase means it is your problem.Problem with people like you is that as soon as you start loosing ground you start throwing tantrums, your langauge as proved above becomes abusive,you become hyper and tense.And mind you I have always been extremely polite as my religion ordains me to doand expect you to do same as your religion also ordains the same thing.I just ment to remind you that others are quite capable or rather having same incapability as you have to use your methods and technique
  - Satyagni September 22, 2010 At 2:07 pm
    
    Namaste
    
    1. As I said, visitors are permitted to post on other posts. You can repost your deleted posts elsewhere.
    
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Ramzan August 28, 2010 At 3:25 am

Sura 2:26
Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, “What did Allah intend by this as an example?” He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient.

So Allah guides those who seek guidance and misleads the defiantly disobedient. Now you know where you stand.

Sura 2:23 says And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.

So its an open challenge that if you think its written by Mohammad(pbuh) write something like this. In the past 1400 hundred years no one could, why you don’t you try it.

Sura 55:33 says O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ].

So get out from Allah’s heavens and earth and don’t create mischief here. Allah is the owner and the master, so repent and ask for forgiveness, you have so much knowledge but why are going away from the right path.

Allah(swt) says in Sura 25:69 Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated ~ and here is the good news in the very next ayah if you understand. In Ayah 25:70 Allah(swt) says, Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Imagine how many Aads, firowns and Namroods have gone, they all could not do bad to anyone except themselves. The door of repentance and forgiveness is open till before you die. Be wise do it.
All your sins will be changed to good deeds by the merciful lord.

I wish you the highest succes in this world and the next. Its in your hand. All you got to do is say, “O Allah forgive me and repent with a sincere heart. All the best.

- Indian Agnostic August 28, 2010 At 5:16 pm
  
  @Ramzan says❴
  Sura 2:26
  Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, “What did Allah intend by this as an example?” He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient.
  
  So Allah guides those who seek guidance and misleads the defiantly disobedient. Now you know where you stand.❵
  
  Dear @Ramzan
  
  Look at the irony of the verse you share with me (Quran 2:26)
  
  This is what you call God ? ..the one who keeps me on the wrong path if i go astray?
  
  Think about your parents for a moment….If you commit a mistake ..do they let you keep committing mistakes your whole life ..OR..try to bring you back to the right path?
  
  ONLY SATAN has the tendency to keep people on the wrong path if they go astray..Allah seems to be doing nothing different.
  
  Let me share with you more verses which reveal the sense of justice(read injustice) and compassion (read hatred) of this God towrds his OWN CREATION!
  
  ❶First, lets find out why i cannot accept islam ..is it my fault or Allah’s? you decide after reading this verse
  Al-Anaam (Sura 6) verse 125
  Therefore (for) whomsoever Allah intends that He would guide him aright, He expands his breast for Islam, and (for) whomsoever He intends that He should cause him to err, He makes his breast strait and narrow as though he were ascending upwards; thus does Allah lay uncleanness on those who do not believe.
  
  ❷Second, Is it possible for me to lend my ears or open my heart to Islam out of my own will? you decide after reading this one:
  “Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom” http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html#002.007
  
  ❸Now, Do i have a right to a good destiny if i remain a good human being ? maybe not :
  “…..and Allah grants His kingdom to whom He pleases, and Allah is Amplegiving, Knowing.” http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html#002.247
  
  ❹What if i am a rational person , and ask for some clear signs from Allah? what is Allah’s response? here:
  “And those who disbelieve say: Why is not a sign sent down upon him by his Lord? Say: Surely Allah makes him who will go astray, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).” http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html#002.247
  
  ❺Anyways ..forget all that. Dear All powerful Allah tell us why dint you make your entire creation Muslim in the first place?
  “If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together” http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/032.qmt.html#032.013
  
  You call this God ..who does not give everybody guidance.. just because he wants to roast some of his creation in hell!!???
  
  that sounds like a cruel God ..deliberately confusing the hell out of his own creation..to roast them in his tandoor!!
  
  that’s not Godly at all ..look at gravity …does it say that i will just keep the mullah’s feet on the ground? Ne! ..it attracts the skull cap as sincerely and justly as any other cap
  
  does water say that i will quench the thirst only of muslims and nobody else? Ne!
  
  when entire creation is impartial to one’s religion ..how can the creator of creation be???
  
  think outside the skull cap for a moment! ..leave such unjust and cruel doctrines
  
  WAKE UP!
  
Mahesh September 5, 2010 At 12:13 pm

We Hindus want a Ram Temple there at the site of Babri Masjid and nothing else. All this talk of cultural dialogue, building hospital or school is crap.

- ganya September 19, 2010 At 1:30 pm
  
  If those fools rally want to build schools hospital etc then let them break all masjid in india and make school, college, hospital on that.
  
  But in Ayodhya only Ram mandir should be build
  
  - SSS September 20, 2010 At 12:41 pm
    
    @ ganya:
    
    Are you really following Vedas….???
    
    If you say ‘Yes’, then why you are speaking like this???
    
    A person who is following Vedas should not speak like this…since God is present everywhere…and don’t need a temple to worship God…
  - ganya September 20, 2010 At 3:43 pm
    
    U r very right sir if god is every where then muslim don’t need masjid to worship god. Let them sit at home do their namaz and allow us to rebuild our Ram temple. Here it is not the question whter ur a follower of veda or not. Ram is a National hero.Being a nationalist it is our duty to rebuild temple at his birthplace. By building a grand temple it will be a fitting reply to those Invader , tyrant mentality cult. Not only Ramtemple but all the bigtemples, all synagogue,etc must be rebuild which was broken by such imposter and tyrant
  - SSS September 20, 2010 At 5:39 pm
    
    @ ganya:
    
    You are telling that guy as tyrant…but you are more than that…!!! 😀
    
    I got confused…whether you are tyrant or that guy is tyrant…???
  - ganya September 20, 2010 At 10:53 pm
    
    If any theif steals something from me and if I took that back or snacth that back….Then guys like u declaring me a theif, tyrant……. sad on ur logic yaar.
    
    Those invader broke our Ram temple and build their Masjid on that and if I want my temple in the same place ur telling me as tyrant more then them….
    
    If peopple like u r supporting so vehemently to all those muhammads follower who simply destroyed all the civiliation in the west asia.And I here jst asking our temple in Rams Birth place. Tell me what is wrong with my demand? Hindus never demand Ram temple in Mecca….
    
    We hindus dont required certificate from u that whether Ram accept it or not.
  - SSS September 20, 2010 At 7:00 pm
    
    If Ram would accept all the things whatever you are doing…!!! then do whatever you want…!!!
  - Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:44 pm
    
    Ya u build hospitals in every masjid,
    and v make sure u reach to the nearest hospital as soon as possible.
    
    Imagin hospitals full of morons, Funna na?
  - ganya September 22, 2010 At 9:28 am
    
    Keep on dreaming…………….
    
    hehehehe..
Sanjay Naik September 10, 2010 At 3:11 pm

Hi to the comment dated august 27, 2010. 09:57 am

I have a very humble request to you my friend before you say anyhing about islamic views. Kindly go ahead and learn ancient arabic which will make you understand about it. No religion teaches wrong deeds to anyone it’ just we have taken it personally. As i am running short of time so unable to post more comments to you. moreover, plz do as i say its not a threat to you but a request. Hopefully, i am eager to see ur comment back on here ASAP.

Many thanks.

True Indian September 19, 2010 At 1:27 am

@Satyagniji:
Heartily dhanyavaad for this well written article, with proper proofs.

@others: Thanks for the enlightening discussion.. I am reading Bhagawat Geeta nowadays.. I find it highly logical and scientific..
Also, m planning to read Quran online.. The main motivation was to understand what drives these, so called muslim extremist, to kill innocent people at the name of zihad etc..
Its really saddening that they are totally intolerant towards other religions.. 🙁

Everybody should be rational.. Live and let live.. 🙂

- Top Gun September 21, 2010 At 5:51 pm
  
  @ true Indian,
  
  🙂
  
Andy September 20, 2010 At 2:26 pm

Dude…. whn i read ur post, only one thing came to my mind..

“A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.” Why do ppl like you drag the issue and corrupt the mind of million Peacelovers.

For ones, try to think beyound this pity religious boundaries… Dont be a fantic, believe in ur religion.. its very good.

A friend of mine (a Hindu) told me that Hinduism for him is a way of living, and he enjoys it whn he follows it like that. But reading through your views makes me sad. I wish all of us believe in our religions and dont follow it blindly. Religion was made to give a path for those who cannot visualise almigthy without it. It was made for the bettermant of us… but now it seems “Mazhab yahi sikhata … aapas main bair rakhna!”

Dont spoil this world with your dirty and prejudised thoughts… u never chose to be a hindu.. u were born one.

- आर्यव्रतस्थ September 20, 2010 At 2:45 pm
  
  @Andy no one is corrupting anyone here it just because so called islamic scholars(zakir Naik and kind) came with with their wild fantasies and preaching imaginary things about the Vedas and our scripture; we are just clearing the misconceptions and leting loose the Knowledge of the Vead and simple comparison and scrutiny of the Islamic scripture (which is claimed to be superior than any other by muslims) and the guy you are quoting “Mazhab nahi sikhata” i.e Moh. Iqbal was the guy who propsed the idea of Pakistan and divided the people based on religion and moreover the irony is that His ancestory were Kashmiri Hindu Pandit 🙂 , who were forced to convert to Islam for fear of Death
  
- Indian Agnostic September 21, 2010 At 7:14 pm
  
  @Andy
  
  some more peace lovers have centered Delhi
  
  they just gave us a byte of peace at the holy Jama Masjid..more peace is on it’s way!
  
  Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas mein bair rakhna.?.. Have you ever read the Quran ???
  
  Yes a little knowledge is INDEED dangerous ..ironically it applies to you more than any body else!
  
  Did any Buddhist burn shops and kill anybody when the Bamian Buddhas were blown away by iconoclast Islamists? nO!
  
  And a mere rumour about quran burning , that too in USA, lead to rioting, bus burning and deaths in India
  
  Tolerating intolerance is no way to ensure peace ..Look inside and around ..you have a lot to answer than question sir
  
  best regards
  
- Indian Agnostic September 21, 2010 At 7:18 pm
  
  @Andy ..here’s alittle byte that i am posting for the umpteenth time on this very page..just for you:
  
  MAZHAB NAHI SIKHAATA AAPAS MEIN BAIR RAKHNA ????
  
  ◖Quran 9:28
  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَـذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً
  فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ إِن شَاء إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
  O you who believe! THE IDOLATERS ARE NOTHING BUT UNCLEAN, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year.◗
  
  ◖Quran 9:123
  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ
  O you who believe! FIGHT those of the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE NEAR TO YOU and LET THEM FIND IN YOU HARDNESS; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).◗
  
  ◖Quran 3:28
  لاَّ يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاء مِن دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ أَن
  تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللّهُ نَفْسَهُ وَإِلَى اللّهِ الْمَصِيرُ
  LET NOT THE BELIEVERS TAKE FOR FRIENDS OR HELPERS UNBELIEVERS rather than believers: IF ANY DO THAT, IN NOTHING THERE WILL BE HELP FROM ALLAH◗
  
  ◖Quran 48:29
  مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاء عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَى عَلَى سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْراً عَظِيماً
  Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are FIRM OF HEART AGAINST THE UNBELIEVERS, COMPASSIONATE AMONGST EACH OTHER◗
  
  ◖Quran 3:85
  وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِيناً فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
  And WHOEVER DESIRES A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED FROM HIM, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers◗
  
  ◖Quran 9:23
  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ آبَاءكُمْ وَإِخْوَانَكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء إَنِ اسْتَحَبُّواْ الْكُفْرَ عَلَى الإِيمَانِ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم
  مِّنكُمْ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
  O you who believe! DO NOT TAKE YOUR FATHERS AND BROTHERS for guardians IF THEY LOVE UNBELIEF MORE THAN BELIEF; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust◗
  
  ◖Quran 5:51
  يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ
  مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
  O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. HE AMONG YOU WHO TAKETH THEM FOR FRIENDS IS (ONE) OF THEM. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk◗
  
  ◖Quran 8:12
  إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلآئِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرَّعْبَ
  فَاضْرِبُواْ فَوْقَ الأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُواْ مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ
  When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS and STRIKE OF EVERY FINGERTIP of them.◗
  
  NOW TELL ME IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TRUE TO SAY?
  
RP September 21, 2010 At 3:24 pm

No religion is bad. It is the followers that bring shame upon it..

According to me, that place should now be made into a hospital or other such thing so that it stops becoming a source of unnecessary controversy and to be of some use to mankind.

Kiran September 21, 2010 At 6:17 pm

I find this insulting. After the fallout that ensued after the destruction of the Babri mosque- all the people that died, the children that were hung and burnt alive- how can you say that this is a symbol of Muslim-Hindu unity? Destroying these mosque’s will not bring back the temples, it will just incite more violence and hate. From the perspective of a historian, which I am, the destruction of anything as old and significant as the Babri mosque is a tragedy, the same way the destruction of the Bamian Buddhas were in Afghanistan by the Taliban. You should be promoting cultural sensitivity if you REALLY want “unity”- which clearly you don’t since you are calling for destruction.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. The last thing we need in India is more sectarian violence, which people like you are promulgating.
Also- your argument is one big logical fallacy- called an “ad hominem.” You should familiarize yourself with that.

- Indian Agnostic September 21, 2010 At 7:07 pm
  
  @Kiran, the Islamic Historian
  
  if you had any love for history apart from it’s Islamic relevance, you would have rather found the entrails of the structure much more SIGNIFICANT…The artefactual treasure that was burried or plastered within the walls of the structure is any NEUTRAL historians delight.
  
  You find an inscription which is much older than the structure..You are not even aware that the surroundings of the site were excavated much before 1992 ..which indicated that a SIGNIFICANT structure was destroyed to create your islamically significant structure.
  
  Are the Hindus demading some 10,000 odd temples which were destroyed by Ghazis?No! ..they are asking for that site to be given back to them which they believe as the birth place of their Lord.
  
  and as a quid pro quo ..please look into strawman fallacy of argumentation ..which sums up your post much better than the rest of my response
  
- Arya September 21, 2010 At 7:28 pm
  
  @Kiran
  1. I find this insulting. After hurting the sentiments of all Vedic followers here by writing against Satyagniji, what do you have to say about your ad hominem argument?
  
  2. Writing against Satyagniji will not bring back the so called mosque built by gay drinker Babur. It will just incite more violence and hate for self proclaimed historians among Hindus!
  
  3. Can a place which was the symbol of cruelty of a tyrant gay Babur be ever said as cultural heritage? It is same as someone slapped some self proclaimed historian and after getting slapped, she refused to take bath. When she was asked the reason, she, from the perspective of a historian, which she is, reveals that she is preserving the finger marks of the spanker on her face! I know you will do it because you care for cultural sensitivity!
  
  If meaning of peace means giving your head peacefully to the butcher, let this peace be upon you! If fighting the unjust and cruelty is promulgating violence, we happily accept ourselves as promulgators. If historians are those who want us to forget the past and to compromise and surrender in present, we happily claim that we did not study History! If unity means All Muslims will go to heaven with unity and rest all will burn in hell, let Eeshvar bless you with such unity. But for those, who have blood flowing through their veins and not any bogus fluid of retarded history, I pray war than this unity since war has equality at least!
  
  I dont expect any negative reply from you because I know, you care for cultural sensitivity!
  
- hbr September 22, 2010 At 8:50 pm
  
  Why not we apply the same argument that now since its already destroyed and a temple is built, why not leave as a temple…
  Also since the ASI findings have found that there still exists the pillers and foundation of the temple which existed prior to the mosque…now we have the remains of a temple which predates the mosque and history has got more information and proof…
  
KRao September 22, 2010 At 12:40 pm

A very different perspective(and a factual one) on the topic. Makes the reader think hard! Excellent job!

- Abdul Raheem September 22, 2010 At 6:45 pm
  
  To All Humans,
  
  Just wanted to bring into your notice, that the first human brought on the earth “Adam” was the worshipper of Allaha and helped to grow of its own kind with restrictions and limitation bound by the sayings of Allah (God / Bhagwan) some of the people did not like this and turned evil to satisy there own needs, let it be the Krita Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, the Treta Yuga, and finally the Kali Yuga, since Islam / Allah had always wanted people to live Righteous, healthy and peaceful life most of the fanatics / morons did not like it and started opposing Islam.
  
  All humans know that Islam is the religion of peace, harmony and sucess, but they still oppose it since they want rule over other people but just adding a religious class, shudras, dalits and non hindus……I am sure there are more fanatic people who will oposse to my thread without any doubt and this goes to show some live examples of them…….Jazakallah…….Allah please show the right path and deeds to the people who are lost in the way of sucess (fanatics / Morons)
  
  - TOTAGOTO September 22, 2010 At 7:04 pm
    
    adam eve???????????????????????????????????????????????? fairy tale
  - sanatanaakki September 30, 2010 At 9:59 pm
    
    adam and eve if reality…….
    
    it means islam allows inchest……
    
    as adam and eve gave birth to girl and boy then both are brother and sister..and we all came from adam and eve that means we all are brothers and sisters…
    
    lol that means we are having sex with our sisters……..
    
    islam only creates confusion….
Anup September 22, 2010 At 6:17 pm

Self proclaimed Historians? Well to me they seem to be all HMV (His master’s Voice now His Mistress Voice). It is these SICK historians who attain orgasmic pleasure at writing any filth against HINDUS which will please the Master or Mistress. It is such idiots of Historians who called BHAGAT SINGH a terrorist in ICSE books perhaps because he belonged to NON ABRAHAMIC faith.

Why dont these mentally SICK historians just pick up GEETA and Quran/Bible and appraise theselves of what’s where? Or is it that they lack the BALLS to write anything that would displease the ABRAHAMIC Faith followers?

Big DICK Heads. Yes my post may sound too vitriolic but it is less vitriolic than the “Terror Manual” itself which these historians just dont have the NUTS to criticize. All a gift of

NEHRU-KHAN-GANDHI Dynasty to this country. HINDU Hating idiots.

Abdul Raheem September 22, 2010 At 6:58 pm

To All Humans,

Just wanted to bring into your notice, that the first human brought on the earth “Adam” was the worshipper of Allaha and helped to grow of its own kind with restrictions and limitation bound by the sayings of Allah (God / Bhagwan) some of the people did not like this and turned evil to satisy there own needs, let it be the Krita Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, the Treta Yuga, and finally the Kali Yuga, since Islam / Allah had always wanted people to live Righteous, healthy and peaceful life most of the fanatics / morons did not like it and started opposing Islam.

All humans know that Islam is the religion of peace, harmony and sucess, but they still oppose it since they want rule over other people but just adding a religious class, shudras, dalits and non hindus……I am sure there are more fanatic people who will oposse to my thread without any doubt and this goes to show some live examples of them…….Jazakallah…….Allah please show the right path and deeds to the people who are lost in the way of sucess (fanatics / Morons)

- ganya September 22, 2010 At 8:18 pm
  
  if u use ur logic u will know that Adam and Eve are the first one to born is a only a Myth.
  
  If u assume that Adam and Eve are true then We all are born because Adam and Eve indulge in Incest. Procreation cannot be possible by any other way. It means God also supported that…..
  
  Then suddenly Allah got enlightened and prohibit marraige in blood relations. heheh…
  
  I think Allah is confused….
  
  But truth is that this assumption is wrong ..
  
  - Abdul Raheem September 22, 2010 At 8:31 pm
    
    Ganya,
    
    Let me know your “divya ” logic of this and then i will explain you in detail for your better understanding
shadat September 23, 2010 At 12:15 pm

One of the best example of Islamic secularism, independence and tolerance to the ones who are from another religion,

“I, the Sultan Khan the Conqueror,

hereby declare the whole world that,

The Bosnian Franciscans granted with this sultanate firman are under my protection. And I command that:

No one shall disturb or give harm to these people and their churches! They shall live in peace in my state. These people who have become emigrants, shall have security and liberty. They may return to their monasteries which are located in the borders of my state.

No one from my empire notable, viziers, clerks or my maids will break their honour or give any harm to them!

No one shall insult, put in danger or attack these lives, properties, and churches of these people!

Also, what and those these people have brought from their own countries have the same rights…

By declaring this firman, I swear on my sword by the holy name of Allah who has created the ground and sky, Allah’s prophet Mohammed, and 124,000 former prophets that; no one from my citizens will react or behave the opposite of this firman!”

It is one of the oldest documents on religious freedom. Mehmed II’s oath was entered into force in the Ottoman Empire on May 28, 1463. In 1971, the United Nations published a translation of the document in all the official U.N. languages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_II

- tauqeer September 23, 2010 At 12:22 pm
  
  shadat I will add more
  
  All people, the merchants, artists, and agriculturists were divided separately into their respective classes, and ten thousand men, high and low, were counted. Muhammad Kásim then ordered twelve diram’s weight of silver to be assigned to each man, because all their property had been plundered. He appointed people from among the villagers and the chief citizens to collect the fixed taxes from the cities and villages, that there might be a feeling of strength and protection. When the Brahmans saw this, they represented their case, and the nobles and principal inhabitants of the city gave evidence as to the superiority of the Brahmans. Muhammad Kásim maintained their dignity, and passed orders confirming their pre-eminence. They were protected against opposi¬tion and violence. Each of them was entrusted with an office, for Kásim was confident that they would not be inclined to dishonesty.
  
Indian September 23, 2010 At 12:33 pm

We have many problems in our life. Why are we more concerned about building a masjid or building a temple at one place. Why can’t we build both at one place. I have lot of hindu friends and I love them and they love me too. Why are we concerned about what babur did or what he build or why did some people demolish it. Let us be more concerned about how to make our india “DEVELOPED COUNTRY’ from still “DEVELOPING COUNTRY”.

I say I am “INDIAN” not muslim or hindu . Who are with me?