- Vedas and Shudra
- Vedas and Dasyu in Hinduism
- Vedas and Daas
- Rakshas in Vedas and Hinduism
- Vedas and Dignity of Labor
- There is no caste-system in Vedas
- Vedas – foundation of birth-based caste discrimination
- The reality of caste system – 1
- The reality of caste system – 2
- The reality of caste system – Next Move
…continued from http://agniveer.com/5415/the-reality-of-caste-system-2/
The goal of this series of writing was not to paint a gloomy hopeless picture and make all of feel guilty. Instead the goal is to be objective and realistic about our history and present and pave a smart way for future.
This is what needs to be done to save India and Hindus Let each of us strive for this at whatever level we can and soon the efforts would multiply into a transformation within a few years.
- Reject caste system totally in thoughts, words and actions
- Stop associating with our forefathers to defend their mistakes. This is also a form of caste system. Take collective responsibility for whatever happened. So-called birth-based Brahmins and Kshatriyas are not the only ones to be blamed. So-called Dalits and Shudras are more to be blamed. Why did they allow these fake Brahmins and Kshatriyas to usurp power and create nuisance for centuries?
Now let bygones be bygones. Stop calling yourself as belonging to any caste except humanity. Stop blaming any Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya or Shudra for whatever happened in past or happens now. Our fight is against a mindset and not persons. Our success will depend on how strongly we refuse to even accept any person by his caste in first place.
And stop the habit of defending every other thing in name of culture and tradition.
- So totally reject every scripture, every ritual, every institution that thrives on birth-based caste system. Lets say a full-stop to it, be it a great temple or festival or a book we have been taught to love since early childhood for generations.
Agniveer did not find Vedas – the first texts – to contain any support for such ridiculous unverifiable conjectures. On contrary Vedas extol for pure meritocracy. Also Vedas are free from adulterations to best of our knowledge. Hence we consider Vedas as our foundation. All other texts are acceptable only to extent they comply with Vedas. And if they advocate casteism, racism or gender bias, they are anything but scriptures. Lets reject them outright, as well as those people, institutions and rituals that defend these.
- This does not mean we reject our forefathers outrightly. Accept their good points, do keep track of deeds of your forefathers if you want to. But only as an inspiration and source of motivation. Refuse to enjoy delusion of your supremacy based on deeds of your forefathers. No one gives you a 1st Rank in University because your grandfather was a topper!
- Refuse to acknowledge any temple that refuses to accept a talented so-called Dalit as a priest. Either grab its control and install meritocracy or let such temples of hatred be boycotted. That may be the greatest pilgrim center, but publicity does not make a villain into a hero.
- Coordinate with local temples controlled by logical minds to openly accept non-Hindus as Hindus with dignity. They may do a short ritual like recitation of Gayatri Mantra and make one a Hindu. No need for any mention of any caste except that he is a human. Only adherence to certain basic lifestyle norms like food, charity, education, non-violence, worship of Supreme, equality of all human beings etc may suffice.
- Events should be organized where these Shuddhis are done at larger scale. And those taking part should be made into Brahmins who then are eligible to conduct religious rituals and be priests of temples.
- In fact special temples be opened with Dalit and erstwhile non-Hindu priests. It has started in many areas but needs to be done more aggressively.
- In so-called Dalit areas, rituals should be conducted that convert them into Brahmins who then conduct rituals of Brahminization of other Dalits. What more, these people should be provided surnames like Sharma, Tiwari, Tripathi, Chaturvedi, Dwivedi, Trivedi etc that they can legally use. This should happen in such wide scale that within few years, it becomes impossible to distinguish between a Brahmin of few years and a Brahmin of few generations. (There is no way to find Brahmins of more than a few generations in absence of credible DNA verification). Swami Dayanand used to distribute sacred thread widely to promote Vedic Dharma. We should also use this symbol to promote our mission.
- One challenge that would come is from reservation based politics which would coax so-called Dalits to continue being called Dalits and earn privileges at cost of dignity. But if wider community support programs and avenues of entrepreneurship be explored, this factor would gradually die natural death. In any case, within a couple of decades, the craze of government secured jobs is poised to die down among enlightened class of society due to much more attractive entrepreneurial and global opportunities, thanks to technological revolution.
Now due to politicization, people have started feeling proud to be called Dalits or Anarya! This is a very foolish reaction to events of history that defeats the very purpose. Dalit means one who is trampled. Its an abuse and society should refuse to use this world for any caste. One who is economically or socially neglected is a Dalit regardless of his or her caste. Any villain is an Anarya. A daughter of a fisherman is a noble Brahmin if she is a scholar. She is a Chaturvedi if she has mastered 4 Vedas. So instead of nurturing clustering of people around terms like Dalit, Arya, Picchdi Jaati, Backward Caste, Scheduled Caste, we should refuse to even recognize such foolish divisions when entire humanity is one caste one race. Factional parties thriving on Bahujan, Dalit, Dravida appeasements are as great enemies of humanity as the fake Brahmins and Kshatriyas of yesteryears – both are nurturing the foolish caste system for their selfish reasons or sheer irrationality.
But now is the golden time to understand the fakeness of hollow caste system and destroy its very foundations. Of course challenges are there but even the opportunity is historic.
Agniveer is determined to make this its number one priority. We appeal to all to join us in this mission as we initiate a movement through ground level implementation of above plans.
We know that this article may arouse some angry reactions from those who support denial of Vedas based on birth or feel men are superior to women and other bogus concepts. But we do not care because we are with truth and know that caste system is against Vedas, against humanity, against logic and against nation.
Those who desire to debate us on this are most welcome! But before that you must showcase your DNA reports so that we can reliably conclude that you are indeed from a genealogy of Brahmins since inception of Vedas and not children of a cunning Chandal who took a Brahmin guise some generations ago. After all by your own admission, only authentic Brahmins have the right to debate on Vedas!
May the rule of merit prevail!
Om Shantih Shantih Shantih!
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मुस्लिमों के कथित दलित-प्रेम का भंडाफोड ..इस्लाम के सम्बन्ध में स्वयं बाबा साहब भीमराव अम्बेडकर के विचार –
१. हिन्दू काफ़िर सम्मान के योग्य नहीं-”मुसलमानों के लिए हिन्दू काफ़िर हैं, और एक काफ़िर सम्मान के योग्य नहीं है। वह निम्न कुल में जन्मा होता है, और उसकी कोई सामाजिक स्थिति नहीं होती। इसलिए जिस देश में क़ाफिरों का शासनहो, वह मुसलमानों के लिए दार-उल-हर्ब है ऐसी सति में यह साबित करने के लिए और सबूत देने की आवश्यकता नहीं है कि मुसलमान हिन्दू सरकार के शासन को स्वीकार नहीं करेंगे।” (पृ. ३०४)
२. मुस्लिम भ्रातृभाव केवल मुसलमानों के लिए-”इस्लाम एक बंद निकाय की तरह है, जो मुसलमानों और गैर-मुसलमानों के बीच जो भेद यह करता है, वह बिल्कुल मूर्त और स्पष्ट है। इस्लाम का भ्रातृभाव मानवता का भ्रातृत्व नहीं है, मुसलमानों का मुसलमानों से ही भ्रातृभाव मानवता का भ्रातृत्व नहीं है, मुसलमानों का मुसलमानों से ही भ्रातृत्व है। यह बंधुत्व है, परन्तु इसका लाभ अपने ही निकाय के लोगों तक सीमित है और जो इस निकाय से बाहर हैं, उनके लिए इसमें सिर्फ घृणा ओर शत्रुता ही है। इस्लाम का दूसरा अवगुण यह है कि यह सामाजिक स्वशासन की एक पद्धति है और स्थानीय स्वशासन से मेल नहीं खाता, क्योंकि मुसलमानों की निष्ठा, जिस देश में वे रहते हैं, उसके प्रति नहीं होती, बल्कि वह उस धार्मिक विश्वास पर निर्भर करती है, जिसका कि वे एक हिस्सा है। एक मुसलमान के लिए इसके विपरीत या उल्टे सोचना अत्यन्त दुष्कर है। जहाँ कहीं इस्लाम का शासन हैं, वहीं उसका अपना विश्वासहै। दूसरे शब्दों में, इस्लाम एक सच्चे मुसलमानों को भारत को अपनी मातृभूमि और हिन्दुओं को अपना निकट सम्बन्धी मानने की इज़ाजत नहीं देता। सम्भवतः यही वजह थी कि मौलाना मुहम्मद अली जैसे एक महान भारतीय, परन्तु सच्चे मुसलमान ने, अपने, शरीर को हिन्दुस्तान की बजाए येरूसलम में दफनाया जाना अधिक पसंद किया।”
३. एक साम्प्रदायिक और राष्ट्रीय मुसलमान में अन्तर देख पाना मुश्किल-”लीग को बनाने वाले साम्प्रदायिक मुसलमानों और राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमानों के अन्तर को समझना कठिन है। यह अत्यन्त संदिग्ध है कि राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमान किसी वास्तविक जातीय भावना, लक्ष्य तथा नीति से कांग्रेस के साथ रहते हैं, जिसके फलस्वरूप वे मुस्लिम लीग् से पृथक पहचाने जाते हैं। यह कहा…
यह कहा जाता है कि वास्तव में अधिकांश कांग्रेसजनों की धारण है कि इन दोनों में कोई अन्तर नहीं है, और कांग्रेस के अन्दर राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमानों की स्थिति साम्प्रदायिक मुसलमानों की सेना की एक चौकी की तरह है। यह धारणा असत्य प्रतीत नहीं होती। जब कोई व्यक्ति इस बात को याद करता है कि राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमानों के नेता स्वर्गीय डॉ. अंसारी ने साम्प्रदायिक निर्णय का विरोध करने से इंकार किया था, यद्यपिकांग्रेस और राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमानों द्वारा पारित प्रस्ताव का घोर विरोध होने पर भी मुसलमानों को पृथक निर्वाचन उपलब्ध हुआ।” (पृ. ४१४-४१५)
४. भारत में इस्लाम के बीज मुस्लिम आक्रांताओं ने बोए-”मुस्लिम आक्रांता निस्संदेह हिन्दुओं के विरुद्ध घृणा के गीत गाते हुए आए थे। परन्तु वे घृणा का वह गीत गाकर और मार्ग में कुछ मंदिरों को आग लगा कर ही वापस नहीं लौटे। ऐसा होता तो यह वरदान माना जाता। वे ऐसे नकारात्मक परिणाम मात्र से संतुष्ट नहीं थे। उन्होंने इस्लाम का पौधा लगाते हुए एक सकारात्मक कार्य भी किया। इस पौधे का विकास भी उल्लेखनीय है। यह ग्रीष्म में रोपा गया कोई पौधा नहीं है। यह तो ओक (बांज) वृक्ष की तरह विशाल और सुदृढ़ है। उत्तरी भारत में इसका सर्वाधिक सघन विकास हुआ है। एक के बाद हुए दूसरे हमले ने इसे अन्यत्र कहीं को भी अपेक्षा अपनी ‘गाद’ से अधिक भरा है और उन्होंने निष्ठावान मालियों के तुल्य इसमें पानी देने का कार्य किया है। उत्तरी भारत में इसका विकास इतना सघन है कि हिन्दू और बौद्ध अवशेष झाड़ियों के समान होकर रह गए हैं; यहाँ तक कि सिखों की कुल्हाड़ी भी इस ओक (बांज) वृक्ष को काट कर नहीं गिरा सकी।” (पृ. ४९)
५. मुसलमानों की राजनीतिक दाँव-पेंच में गुंडागर्दी-”तीसरी बात, मुसलमानों द्वारा राजनीति में अपराधियों के तौर-तरीके अपनाया जाना है। दंगे इस बात के पर्याप्त संकेत हैं कि गुंडागिर्दी उनकी राजनीति का एक स्थापित तरीका हो गया है।” (पृ. २६७)
६. हत्यारे धार्मिक शहीद-”महत्व की बात यह है कि धर्मांध मुसलमानों द्वारा कितने प्रमुख हिन्दुओं की हत्या की गई। मूल प्रश्न है उन लोगों के दृष्टिकोण का, जिन्होंने यह कत्ल किये। जहाँ कानून लागू किया जा सका, वहाँ हत्यारों को कानून के अनुसार सज़ा मिली; तथापि प्रमुख मुसलमानों ने इन अपराधियों की कभी निंदा नहीं की। इसके वपिरीत उन्हें ‘गाजी’ बताकर उनका स्वागत किया गया और उनके क्षमादान के लिए…
तथापि प्रमुख मुसलमानों ने इन अपराधियों की कभी निंदा नहीं की। इसके वपिरीत उन्हें ‘गाजी’ बताकर उनका स्वागत किया गया और उनके क्षमादान के लिए आन्दोलन शुरू कर दिए गए। इस दृष्टिकोण का एक उदाहरण है लाहौर के बैरिस्टर मि. बरकत अली का, जिसने अब्दुल कयूम की ओर से अपील दायर की। वह तो यहाँ तक कह गया कि कयूम नाथूराम की हत्या का दोषी नहीं है, क्योंकि कुरान के कानून के अनुसार यह न्यायोचित है। मुसलमानों का यह दृष्टिकोण तो समझ में आता है, परन्तु जो बात समझ में नहीं आती, वह है श्री गांधी का दृष्टिकोण।”(पृ. १४७-१४८)
७. हिन्दू और मुसलमान दो विभिन्न प्रजातियां-”आध्याम्कि दृष्टि से हिन्दू और मुसलमान केवल ऐसे दो वर्ग या सम्प्रदाय नहीं हैं जैसे प्रोटेस्टेंट्स और कैथोलिक या शैव और वैष्णव, बल्कि वे तो दो अलग-अलग प्रजातियां हैं।” (पृ. १८५)
८. इस्लाम और जातिप्रथा-”जाति प्रथा को लीजिए। इस्लाम भ्रातृ-भाव की बात कहता है। हर व्यक्ति यही अनुमान लगाता है कि इस्लाम दास प्रथा और जाति प्रथा से मुक्त होगा। गुलामी के बारे में तो कहने की आवश्यकता ही नहीं। अब कानून यह समाप्त हो चुकी है। परन्तु जब यह विद्यमान थी, तो ज्यादातर समर्थन इसे इस्लाम और इस्लामी देशों से ही मिलता था। कुरान में पैंगबर ने गुलामों के साथ उचित इस्लाम में ऐसा कुछ भी नहीं है जो इस अभिषाप के उन्मूलन के समर्थन में हो। जैसाकि सर डब्ल्यू. म्यूर ने स्पष्ट कहा है-
”….गुलाम या दासप्रथा समाप्त हो जाने में मुसलमानों का कोई हाथ नहीं है, क्योंकि जब इस प्रथा के बंधन ढीले करने का अवसर था, तब मुसलमानों ने उसको मजबूती से पकड़ लिया….. किसी मुसलमान पर यह दायित्व नहीं है कि वह अपने गुलामों को मुक्त कर दें…..”
”परन्तु गुलामी भले विदा हो गईहो, जाति तो मुसलमानों में क़ायम है। उदाहरण के लिए बंगाल के मुसलमानों की स्थिति को लिया जा सकता है। १९०१ के लिए बंगाल प्रांत के जनगणना अधीक्षक ने बंगाल के मुसलमानों के बारे में यह रोचक तथ्य दर्ज किए हैं :
”मुसलमानों का चार वर्गों-शेख, सैयद, मुग़ल और पठान-में परम्परागत विभाजन इस पांत (बंगाल) में प्रायः लागू नहीं है। मुसलमान दो मुखय सामाजिक विभाग मानते हैं-१. अशरफ अथवा शरु और २. अज़लफ। अशरफ से तात्पर्य है ‘कुलीन’, और इसमें विदेशियों के वंशज तथा ऊँची जाति के अधर्मांतरित हिन्दू शामिल हैं। शेष अन्य मुसलमान जिनमें व्यावसायिक वर्ग और निचली…
”मुसलमानों का चार वर्गों-शेख, सैयद, मुग़ल और पठान-में परम्परागत विभाजन इस पांत (बंगाल) में प्रायः लागू नहीं है। मुसलमान दो मुखय सामाजिक विभाग मानते हैं-१. अशरफ अथवा शरु और २. अज़लफ। अशरफ से तात्पर्य है ‘कुलीन’, और इसमें विदेशियों के वंशज तथा ऊँची जाति के अधर्मांतरित हिन्दू शामिल हैं। शेष अन्य मुसलमान जिनमें व्यावसायिक वर्ग और निचली जातियों के धर्मांतरित शामिल हैं, उन्हें अज़लफ अर्थात् नीचा अथवा निकृष्ट व्यक्ति माना जाता है। उन्हें कमीना अथवा इतर कमीन या रासिल, जो रिजाल का भ्रष्ट रूप है, ‘बेकार’ कहा जाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एक तीसरा वर्ग ‘अरज़ल’ भी है, जिसमें आने वाले व्यक्ति सबसे नीच समझे जाते हैं। उनके साथ कोई भी अन्य मुसलमान मिलेगा-जुलेगा नहीं और न उन्हें मस्जिद और सार्वजनिक कब्रिस्तानों में प्रवेश करने दिया जाता है।
इन वर्गों में भी हिन्दुओं में प्रचलित जैसी सामाजिक वरीयताऔर जातियां हैं।
१. ‘अशरफ’ अथवा उच्च वर्ग के मुसलमान (प) सैयद, (पप) शेख, (पपप) पठान, (पअ) मुगल, (अ) मलिक और (अप) मिर्ज़ा।
२. ‘अज़लफ’ अथवा निम्न वर्ग के मुसलमान
(i) खेती करने वाले शेख और अन्य वे लोग जो मूलतः हिन्दू थे, किन्तु किसी बुद्धिजीवी वर्ग से सम्बन्धित नहीं हैं और जिन्हें अशरफ समुदाय, अर्थात् पिराली और ठकराई आदि में प्रवेश नहीं मिला है।
( ii) दर्जी, जुलाहा, फकीर और रंगरेज।
(iii) बाढ़ी, भटियारा, चिक, चूड़ीहार, दाई, धावा, धुनिया, गड्डी, कलाल, कसाई, कुला, कुंजरा, लहेरी, माहीफरोश, मल्लाह, नालिया, निकारी।
(iv) अब्दाल, बाको, बेडिया, भाट, चंबा, डफाली, धोबी, हज्जाम, मुचो, नगारची, नट, पनवाड़िया, मदारिया, तुन्तिया।
३. ‘अरजल’ अथवा निकृष्ट वर्ग
भानार, हलालखोदर, हिजड़ा, कसंबी, लालबेगी, मोगता, मेहतर।
जनगणना अधीक्षक ने मुस्लिम सामाजिक व्यवस्था के एक और पक्ष का भी उल्लेख किया है। वह है ‘पंचायत प्रणाली’ का प्रचलन। वह बताते हैं :
”पंचायत का प्राधिकार सामाजिक तथा व्यापार सम्बन्धी मामलों तक व्याप्त है और……..अन्य समुदायों के लोगों से विवाह एक ऐसा अपराध है, जिस पर शासी निकायकार्यवाही करता है। परिणामत: ये वर्ग भी हिन्दू जातियों के समान ही प्रायः कठोर संगोती हैं, अंतर-विवाह पर रोक ऊंची जातियों से लेकर नीची जातियों तक लागू है। उदाहरणतः कोई घूमा अपनी ही जाति…
उदाहरणतः कोई घूमा अपनी ही जाति अर्थात् घूमा में ही विवाह कर सकता है। यदि इस नियम की अवहेलना की जाती है तो ऐसा करने वाले को तत्काल पंचायत के समक्ष पेश किया जाता है। एक जाति का कोई भी व्यक्ति आसानी से किसी दूसरी जाति में प्रवेश नहीं ले पाता और उसे अपनी उसी जाति का नाम कायम रखना पड़ता है, जिसमें उसने जन्म लिया है। यदि वह अपना लेता है, तब भी उसे उसी समुदाय का माना जाता है, जिसमें कि उसने जन्म लिया था….. हजारों जुलाहे कसाई का धंधा अपना चुके हैं, किन्तु वे अब भी जुलाहे ही कहे जाते हैं।”
इसी तरह के तथ्य अन्य भारतीय प्रान्तों के बारे में भी वहाँ की जनगणना रिपोर्टों से वे लोग एकत्रित कर सकते हैं, जो उनका उल्लेख करना चाहते हों। परन्तु बंगाल के तयि ही यह दर्शाने के लिए पर्याप्त हैं कि मुसलमानों में जाति प्राणी ही नहीं, छुआछूत भी प्रचलित है।” (पृ. २२१-२२३)
९. इस्लामी कानून समाज-सुधार के विरोधी-”मुसलमानों में इन बुराइयों का होना दुखदहैं। किन्तु उससे भी अधिक दुखद तथ्य यह है कि भारत के मुसलमानों में समाज सुधार का ऐसा कोई संगठित आन्दोलन नहीं उभरा जो इन बुराईयों का सफलतापूर्वक उन्मूलन कर सके। हिन्दुओं में भी अनेक सामाजिक बुराईयां हैं। परन्तु सन्तोषजनक बात यह है कि उनमें से अनेक इनकी विद्यमानता के प्रति सजग हैं और उनमें से कुछ उन बुराईयों के उन्मूलन हेतु सक्रिय तौर पर आन्दोलन भी चला रहे हैं। दूसरी ओर, मुसलमान यह महसूस ही नहीं करते कि ये बुराईयां हैं। परिणामतः वे उनके निवारण हेतु सक्रियता भी नहीं दर्शाते। इसके विपरीत, वे अपनी मौजूदा प्रथाओं में किसी भी परिवर्तन का विरोध करते हैं। यह उल्लेखनीय है कि मुसलमानों ने केन्द्रीय असेंबली में १९३० में पेश किए गए बाल विवाह विरोधी विधेयक का भी विरोध किया था, जिसमें लड़की की विवाह-योग्य आयु १४ वर्ष् और लड़के की १८ वर्ष करने का प्रावधान था। मुसलमानों ने इस विधेयक का विरोध इस आधार पर किया कि ऐसा किया जाना मुस्लिम धर्मग्रन्थ द्वारा निर्धारित कानून के विरुद्ध होगा। उन्होंने इस विधेयक का हर चरण पर विरोध ही नहीं किया, बल्कि जब यह कानून बन गया तो उसके खिलाफ सविनय अवज्ञाअभियान भी छेड़ा। सौभाग्य से उक्त अधिनियम के विरुद्ध मुसलमानों द्वारा छोड़ा गया वह अभ्यिान फेल नहीं हो पाया, और उन्हीं दिनों कांग्रेस द्वारा चलाए गए सविनय अवज्ञा आन्दोलन में समा गया। परन्तु उस अभियान से यह तो सिद्ध…
परन्तु उस अभियान से यह तो सिद्ध हो ही जाता है कि मुसलमान समाज सुधार के कितने प्रबल विरोधी हैं।” (पृ. २२६)
१०. मुस्लिम राजनीतिज्ञों द्वारा धर्मनिरपेक्षता का विरोध-”मुस्लिम राजनीतिज्ञ जीवन के धर्मनिरपेक्ष पहलुओं को अपनी राजनीति का आधार नहीं मानते, क्योंकि उने लिए इसका अर्थ हिन्दुओं के विरुद्ध अपने संघर्ष में अपने समुदाय को कमजोर करना ही है। गरीब मुसलमान धनियों से इंसाु पाने के लिए गरीब हिन्दुओं के साथ नहीं मिलेंगे। मुस्लिम जोतदार जमींदारों के अन्याय को रोकने के लिए अपनी ही श्रेणी के हिन्दुओं के साथ एकजुट नहीं होंगे। पूंजीवाद के खिलाफ श्रमिक के संघर्ष में मुस्लिम श्रमिक हिन्दू श्रमिकों के साथ शामिल नहीं होंगे। क्यों ? उत्तर बड़ा सरल है। गरीब मुसलमान यह सोचता है कि यदि वह धनी के खिलाफ गरीबों के संघर्ष में शामिल होता है तो उसे एक धनी मुसलमान से भी टकराना पड़ेगा। मुस्लिम जोतदार यह महसूस करते हैं कि यदि वे जमींदारों के खिलाफ अभियान में योगदान करते हैं तो उन्हें एक मुस्लिम जमींदार के खिलाफ भी संघर्ष करना पड़ सकता है। मुसलमान मजदूर यह सोचता है कि यदि वह पूंजीपति के खिलाफ श्रमिक के संघर्ष में सहभागी बना तो वह मुस्लिम मिल-मालिक की भावाओं को आघात पहुंचाएगा। वह इस बारे में सजग हैं कि किसी धनी मुस्लिम, मुस्लिम ज़मींदार अथवा मुस्लिम मिल-मालिक को आघात पहुंचाना मुस्लिम समुदाय को हानि पहुंचाना है और ऐसा करने का तात्पर्य हिन्दू समुदाय के विरुद्ध मुसलमानों के संघर्ष को कमजोर करना ही होगा।” (पृ. २२९-२३०)
११. मुस्लिम कानूनों के अनुसार भरत हिन्दुओं और मुसलमानों की समान मातृभूमि नहीं हो सकती-”मुस्लिम धर्म के सिद्धान्तों के अनुसार, विश्व दो हिस्सो में विभाजित है-दार-उल-इस्लाम तथा दार-उल-हर्ब। मुस्लिम शासित देश दार-उल-इस्लाम हैं। वह देश जिसमें मुसलमान सिर्फ रहते हैं, न कि उस पर शासन करते हैं, दार-उल-हर्ब है। मुस्लिम धार्मिक कानून का ऐसा होने के कारण भारत हिन्दुओं तथा मुसलमानों दोनों की मातृभूमि नहीं हो सकती है। यह मुसलमानों की धरती हो सकती है-किन्तु यह हिन्दुओं और मुसलमानों की धरती, जिसमें दोनोंसमानता से रहें, नहीं हो सकती। फिर, जब इस पर मुसलमानों का शासन होगा तो यह मुसलमानों की धरती हो सकती है। इस समय यह देश गैर-मुस्लिम सत्ता के प्राधिकार के अन्तर्गत हैं, इसलिए मुसलमानों की धरती नहीं हो सकती। यह देश दार-उल-इस्लाम…
यह देश दार-उल-इस्लाम होने की बजाय दार-उल-हर्ब बन जाताप है। हमें यह नहीं मान लेना चाहिए कि यह दृष्टिकोण केवल शास्त्रीय है। यह सिद्धान्त मुसलमानों को प्रभावित करने में बहुत कारगर कारण हो सकता है।” (पृ. २९६-२९७)
१२. दार-उल-हर्व भारत को दार-उल-इस्लाम बनाने के लिए जिहाद-”यह उल्लेखनीय है कि जो मुसलमान अपने आपको दार-उल-हर्ब में पाते हैं, उनके बचाव के लिए हिजरत ही उपाय नहीं हैं मुस्लिम धार्मिक कानून की दूसरी आज्ञा जिहाद (धर्म युद्ध) है, जिसके तहत हर मुसलमान शासक का यह कर्त्तव्य हो जाता है कि इस्लाम के शासन का तब तक विस्तार करता रहे, जब तक सारी दुनिया मुसलमानों के नियंत्रण में नहीं आ जाती। संसार के दो खेमों में बंटने की वजह से सारे देश या दो दार-उल-इस्लाम (इस्लाम का घर) या दार-उल-हर्ब (युद्ध का घर) की श्रेणी में आते हैं। तकनीकी तौर पर हर मुस्लिम शासक का, जो इसके लिए सक्षम है, कर्त्तव्य है कि वह दार-उल-हब्र कोदार-उल-इस्लाम में बदल दे; और भारत में जिस तरह मुसलमानों के हिज़रत का मार्ग अपनाने के उदाहरण हैं, वहाँ ऐसेस भी उदाहरण हैं कि उन्होंने जिहाद की घोषणा करने में संकोच नहीं किया।”
”तथ्य यह है कि भारत, चाहे एक मात्र मुस्लिम शासन के अधीन न हो, दार-उल-हर्ब है, और इस्लामी सिद्धान्तों के अनुसार मुसलमानों द्वारा जिहाद की घोषणा करना न्यायसंगत है। वे जिहाद की घोषणा ही नहीं कर सकते, बल्कि उसकी सफलता के लिए विदेशी मुस्लिम शक्ति की मदद भी ले सकते हैं, और यदि विदेशी मुस्लिम शक्ति जिहाद की घोषणा करना चाहती है तो उसकी सफलता के लिए सहायता दे सकते हैं।” (पृ. २९७-२९८)
१३. हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता असफल क्यों रही ?-”हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता की विफलता का मुखय कारण इस अहसास का न होना है कि हिन्दुओं और मुसलमानों के बीच जो भिन्नताएं हैं, वे मात्र भिन्नताएं ही नहीं हैं, और उनके बीच मनमुटाव की भावना सिर्फ भौतिक कारणों से ही नहीं हैं इस विभिन्नता का स्रोत ऐतिहासिक, धार्मिक, सांस्कृतिक एवं सामाजिक दुर्भावना है, और राजनीतिक दुर्भावना तो मात्र प्रतिबिंब है। ये सारी बातें असंतोष का दरिया बना लेती हैं जिसका पोषण उन तमाम बातों से होता है जो बढ़ते-बढ़ते सामान्य धाराओं को आप्लावित करता चला जाता हैं दूसरे स्रोत से पानी की कोई भी धारा, चाहे वह कितनी भी पवित्र क्यों न हो, जब स्वयं उसमें आ मिलती है तो उसका रंग बदलने के बजाय वह स्वयं उस…
तो उसका रंग बदलने के बजाय वह स्वयं उस जैसी हो जाती हैं दुर्भावना का यह अवसाद, जो धारा में जमा हो गया हैं, अब बहुत पक्का और गहरा बन गया है। जब तक ये दुर्भावनाएं विद्यमान रहती हैं, तब तक हिन्दू और मुसलमानों के बीच एकता की अपेक्षा करना अस्वाभाविक है।” (पृ. ३३६)
१४. हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता असम्भव कार्य-”हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता की निरर्थकता को प्रगट करने के लिए मैं इन शब्दों से और कोई शबदावली नहीं रख सकता। अब तक हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता कम-से-कम दिखती तो थी, भले ही वह मृग मरीचिका ही क्यों न हो। आज तो न वह दिखती हे, और न ही मन में है। यहाँ तक कि अब तो गाांी ने भी इसकी आशा छोड़ दी है और शायद अब वह समझने लगे हैं कि यह एक असम्भव कार्य है।” (पृ. १७८)
१५. साम्प्रदायिक शान्ति के लिए अलपसंखयकों की अदला-बदली ही एक मात्र हल-”यह बात निश्चित है कि साम्प्रदायिक शांति स्थापित करने का टिकाऊ तरीका अल्पसंखयकों की अदला-बदली ही हैं।यदि यही बात है तो फिर वह व्यर्थ होगा कि हिन्दू और मुसलमान संरक्षण के ऐसे उपाय खोजने में लगे रहें जो इतने असुरक्षित पाए गए हैं। यदि यूनान, तुकी और बुल्गारिया जैसे सीमित साधनों वाले छोटे-छोटे देश भी यह काम पूरा कर सके तो यह मानने का कोई कारण नहीं है कि हिन्दुस्तानी ऐसा नहीं कर सकते। फिर यहाँ तो बहुत कम जनता को अदला-बदली करने की आवश्यकता पड़ेगी ओर चूंकि कुछ ही बाधाओं को दूर करना है। इसलिए साम्प्रदायिक शांति स्थापित करने के लिए एक निश्चित उपाय को न अपनाना अत्यन्त उपहासास्पद होगा।” (पृ. १०१)
१६. विभाजन के बाद भी अल्पसंखयक-बहुसंखयक की समस्या बनी ही रहेगी-”यह बात स्वीकार कर लेनी चाहिए कि पाकिस्तान बनने से हिन्दुस्तान साम्प्रदायिक समस्यासे मुक्त नहीं हो जाएगा। सीमाओं का पुनर्निर्धारण करके पाकिस्तान को तो एक सजातीय देश बनाया जा सकता हे, परन्तु हिन्दुस्तान तो एक मिश्रित देश बना ही रहेगा। मुसलमान समूचे हिन्दुस्तान में छितरे हुए हैं-यद्यपि वे मुखयतः शहरों और कस्बों में केंद्रित हैं। चाहे किसी भी ढंग से सीमांकन की कोशिश की जाए, उसे सजातीय देश नहीं बनायाजा सकता। हिन्दुस्तान को सजातीय देश बनाने काएकमात्र तरीका है, जनसंखया की अदला-बदली की व्यवस्था करना। यह अवश्य विचार कर लेना चाहिए कि जब तक ऐसा नहीं कियाजाएगा, हिन्दुस्तान में बहुसंखयक बनाम अल्पसंखयक की समस्या और हिन्दुस्तान की राजनीति में असंगति पहले की तरह…
राजनीति में असंगति पहले की तरह बनी ही रहेगी।” (पृ. १०३)
१७. अल्पसंखयकों की सुरक्षा के लिए संवैधानिक उपाय-”अब मैं अल्पसंखयकों की उस समस्या की ओर आपका ध्यान दिलाना चाहता हूँ जो सीमाओं के पुनः निर्धारण के उपरान्त भी पाकिस्तान में बनी रहेंगी। उनके हितों की रक्षा करने के दो तरीके हैं। सबसे पहले, अल्पसंखयकों के राजनीतिक और सांस्कृतिक अधिकारों की रक्षा के लिए संविधान में सुरक्षा उपाय प्रदान करने हैं। भारतीय के लिए यह एक सुपरिचित मामला है और इस बात पर विस्तार से विचार करना आवश्यक है।” (पृ. ३८५)
१८. अल्पसंखयकों की अदला-बदली-एक संभावित हल-”दूसरा तरीका है पाकिस्तान से हिन्दुस्तान में उनका स्थानान्तरणकरने की स्थिति पैदा करना। अधिकांश जनता इस समाधान को अधिक पसंद करती हे और वह पाकिस्तान की स्वीकृति के लिए तैयार और इच्छुक हो जाएगी, यदि यह प्रदर्शित किया जा से कि जनसंखया का आदान-प्रदान सम्भव है। परन्तु इसे वे होश उड़ा देने वालीऔर दुरूह समस्या समझते हैं। निस्संदेह यह एक आतंकित दिमाग की निशनी है। यदि मामले पर ठंडे और शांतिपूर्ण एंग से विचार किया जाए तो पता लग जाएगा कि यह समस्या न तो होश उड़ाने वाली है, और न दुरूह।” (पृ. ३८५)
(सभी उद्धरण बाबा साहेब डॉ. अम्बेडकर सम्पूर्ण वाड्मय, खंड १५-’पाकिस्तान और भारत के विभाजन, २००० से लिए गए हैं)
Hi Guys,
Well written article and your intentions are noble.
I don’t try to support Brahmins or caste system in anyway.
Brahmins like or ought to traditionally follow rituals at home such as prayers with pure and clean environment, means not consuming meat etc etc (I assume there may be some more).
In that scenario, how can we expect that they should encourage mingling or allowing people from societies who don’t care about such pure practices? Would any Muslim allow some one who had pork just before entering in to your house? And allow them to mix with your children and family? If not, then why? I think that’s the answer for Muslims who ask questions about the caste system present in Hinduism.
My theory for the caste system’s initial point is, x accept that ok we are ‘x’ and we don’t have to bother ‘y’ because of choice of lifestyle etc or other way around. That’s how a,b,c,d etc might have been created by ‘y’ or someone who had any societal power.
Just imagine, if no politician provide fuel between communities and government provide support for people not based on caste or religion but their income, how nice the society will be with the caste system? People identify each others culture and traditions with no troubles because we can’t erase such facts from their mindset, can we?
But fighting, killing and treating people unequal in the name of caste is stupidity, and if that is the case then we should ignore any form of caste system.
Vanakkam Tamilscafe:
You raise an interesting point…how far is caste system justified AS LONG AS IT IS NOT MISUSED? But given India’s current situation, where vote-bank politics rules the roost, it is bound to be misused. Just yesterday Mayawati wanted reservations for Muslims. Today she has come out asking for reservation for “upper castes”. I say, why this nonsense? Let us help ANY Indian who is poor regardless of caste/religion! Why is that so difficult?
Good series of articles and hope a lot of this translates into action on the ground. Ultimately, I feel it is going to be only an economically ascendant India that is able to transcend caste barriers. So, let the fortunate ones amongst us – those who are blessed with an education, jobs, middle-class lifestyle, etc. not be stingy in “spreading our wealth around” a bit if that is possible. An educated “lower caste” person is sooner or later going to be on his/her own and will not fall prey to dirty vote bank politics or evangelical vultures. Personally, I have taken up paying for life insurance and education fees for our maid’s daughter as long as she continues her education. It is not a “big deal” for me, but it reduces the burden on her family and just one of the many ways all of us in our own individual capacities can make India richer and stronger!
@KB
——–Personally, I have taken up paying for life insurance and education fees for our maid’s daughter as long as she continues her education. It is not a “big deal” for me, but it reduces the burden on her family and just one of the many ways all of us in our own individual capacities can make India richer and stronger!——-
hmm, nice way. i donate through giveindia.org mostly for food to poor children.
@KalBhairav & shravak: Noble gestures from your side. Well appreciated!!
Vanakkam KalBhairav
I think, probably identifying people in different category for good cause would obviously bring up worthy outcomes, I still remember in my school days, one of my teachers ask poor students (struggling to understand, I was one of them too) to sit in the first three benches for a while and then mix up talented ones with poor ones later, his course of actions were wonderful and I still remember his teachings.
As far as politicians concern, most of them politics is just a business, investment and profit as simple as that, some of them are good at their business. Poor people don’t understand this simple fact; they sell their votes for the short time benefits.
Helping others is always a noble gesture (as mentioned by TI) for any living being, be it money or anything else. It’s nice to hear that you and shravak help others, I haven’t done that so far financially, but my wife does, she is bit generous though
If you (OR ANYONE read this) come across anyone in need of educational (school students) support, please let me know, in my blog I am opening a column for this to ask others to provide such verifiable information (better to be from Tamilnadu as a start), I hope I can manage little numbers from my income. If it goes beyond me and my wife’s limit then I would probably seek help from my friends.
Vazhthukkal Tamilscafe,
Please check http://agaram.in/
These people are also doing what you intend to do. Thought I’d share with you.
Regards
Dear All,
We feel extremely pleased that outcomes of discussions and debates at Agniveer are resulting in such a positive direction. Ultimately the goal for all of us is to help humanity.
So we strongly encourage everyone to support selfless benevolent deeds rising above man-made difference, purely on need.
As everyone rightly pointed out, education and economy are definitely keys to solve all problems of intolerance and discrimination in name of caste, gender, religion, geography etc, if mixed with a dose of spiritualism and rationalism. That is what Agniveer mission is all about.
So thank you all for supporting the mission by carrying these activities in your personal lives. Do support the most needy around regardless of any artificial condition like caste, religion, geography etc and ensure that Law of Karma will support you! Try to help the deserving through education or employment or any other suitable means.
Agniveer team also proactively involves itself in such activities and intends to do them in more organized manner. We recently identified a Delhi-suburb slum area where we provide career guidance/ personality development to young students in 13-18 age range so that they can make themselves eligible for well-paid jobs and glorious careers that not only helps them and their families but also nation and humanity. The number would soon reach in excess of 100 and we would seek support from likeminded people in Delhi/NCR who could devote a few hours in weekends in this. The students predominantly belong so-called Dalit Hindus, Dalit Christians, Muslims. No we don’t have any agenda of conversion like the Church or IRF. We focus solely on making them self-competent. Those willing to join may contact us through Contact page.
But thanks to everyone who get into similar activities in other ways as well! In your sincerity lies our true success!
Admin
@ Tamilscafe: I have posted a short response to the article that you pointed on Dravidians, on your website.
Aryan Soldier
Can you please provide name of this book.
Thanks
Raj
Is this Top Dark Political secret of Rahul and Sonia Gandhi?
Else how many other Political secret both have?
On September 27, 2001 Rahul Gandhi MP and his Columbian live in girl friend of Kerala backwater tourist centre fame, Juanita alias Veronique, was arrested in United States of America’s Logan airport in Boston, by the FBI. Rahul was having an Italian passport and was carrying suitcase full of dollars. Some say it was about $2 billion or was it $2 million. This huge dollar amount generated suspicion with the US authorities. Rahul and his girl friend was thus detained by FBI. FBI suspected that Rahul was carrying terrorist funds or drug money for laundering in US. Rahul called his mother Sonia Gandhi in India . In turn Sonia called Brijesh Mishra, the former National Security Advisor and a key aide to former prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee at the Prime Ministers Office. Brijesh Mishra intervened on behalf of our PM Vajpayee with the US Administration for the release Rahul from FBI custody. Rahul Gandhi was released only when the Indian Ambassador intervened and gave assurances to the State Department that Rahul Gandhi will be produced for any future enquiry by FBI. Not only that as a patriot, it was the duty of Brijesh Mishra to find out the reasons for the arrest and inform our CBI to take necessary further steps. Brijesh Mishra did not do any such thing. The incident clearly shows that Brajesh Mishra was working for Sonia, that he had deep connections with US state department. In short Brijesh Mishra is a traitor.
In Sep 2004 when Washington played host to Young political sons, Sachin Pilot, Milind Deora, Jitin Prasada (all Congress Party), and Manvendra Singh (a lone BJP fellow) followed by liquor baron who got himself elected to a the Rajya Sabha, Vijay Mallya (Janata Party) and ever smiling Rajiv Shukla of the Congress. Yet one prominent face was missing which was that of Rahul Gandhi. Rahul Gandhi didn’t go to USA with the young politicians. It was Shukla who conceived the idea of the…
Namaste,
Indeed its a noble move to eradicate the cast system by its root! But
if you talk to many so called upper-cast(birth based) people , they will say you that it’s practical! Heredity also supports their remark! You have given example of Raman and Chandrashekhar but you forgot about The Great Mathematician Ramanujan and also Swami Dayanand Sarswati Ji! Their are many other examples. It’s not that the people of upper caste hates others, but it’s the cheap mentality,ideology and practices which are hated a lot. Even in the present society you will find the same conditions with so called birth-based low caste people.
Only economic condition people can eradicate the caste system and can create status resemblance!
Dhanyavad
Heredity has a limited role. But that does not imply you restrict social and religious rights to certain sections of people on basis of so-called heredity. Why give examples of a few cases? If indeed heredity is so important, every Brahmin and every Kshatriya should have been a legend. And if that be so, what made lighthouse of world a beggar? If you blame on conspiracies, it means Brahmins and Kshatriyas – who were ruling the country for thousands of years – were actually idiots.
Ramanujan learned the Mleccha’s mathematics. No Brahmin was there to teach him mathematics! It would be foolish to call you dumb when you were not even allowed to learn. But this is not a blame game. All are responsible, however now practive steps need to be taken to very roots of thinking that make one think being inferior or superior since birth.
By the way, the Mlecchas of west – who are considered worse than even shudras and ‘dalits’ – were far more superior than the best Brahmins of best breed! Read the family history of major scientists. Faraday’s father was a lowly apprentice at a blacksmith. Newton was son of a farmer. in any case, all were mlecchas!
Education isimportant. But breaking mindset is even more important. Because that stunts even the effect of education.
If one says that a Dalit cannot enter a temple or become a priest, then even after education this curse will not go away. And since religion forms bedrock of our sentimental life – that governs us more than rationality – we need to break this wall to actually make education successful.
I too favor the eradication of cast system and heinous mindset of people. But what I am talking about is intellect and other practices of upper cast(birth based) people which they get through their parents such as cleanliness,education,vegetarianism and many others. And these are the reasons given by upper cast people to restrict shudras in entering temple and other holy places or for performing other holy practices. If a person is born in upper cast family he/she get the environment which make them more concerned about their education,dignity and respect.
Mathematics is not a private property of anybody(No doubt it has been started in INDIA only as we see in THE GREAT VEDA ,Upanishads and other books)! And talking about Ramanujan ,he was a born genius, greatest Mathematician ever born, parallel to Newton and Gauss! And so was Swami Dayanand Sarswati and some others. It’s not that I am only giving few examples, but what I think is their is something in this birth based cast system which compelled our ancestors to take this step!
I don’t know how you are saying that malecchas were far more superior than best Brahmins of best breed?! Newton’s and others got name and fame, they are popular ones but their were far more intelligent people born in India who didn’t get the respect they should get. I am sure you have heard about Aryabhat, Chanakya etc! 1000 years
of rule and and invasions has ruined our society a lot.
Education is really important! But today if you see the present condition of our society it’s really not working. Our education system was ruined by invaders, we need to change it first. You know the present condition of dalits in UP and other states.
Dear agniveer,
I can contribute monthly for the good cause. Me and my spouse had been helping needy and poor as n when possible, donating food, we funded tution fees for our maids daughter. But we do not trust any organisation b’cos lot of hidden agendas are there esp in tamilnadu and kerala, money is used on the guise of social work for conversion and antinational activities. You have concrete proposals do let us know. Collective efforts are best n fruitful istead of individual efforts.
I have written a article on India- a perspective of eminent western scolars and scientist, for a magazine Veda Eka Ishwariya vaani. All of you can subscribe this magazine published from xammu editor is swami ramswarup ji.
Further agniveer can you write on Vedas for Hinduism Today – a magazine for Hindus published from Kuaii monastery of America site is www. Hinduismtoday.com, just google it out.
The need of Hour is to spread the truth thats all.
with regards rashmi
you must mail about this to agniveer,,!! or contact him throuh contacts page!!
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@Rashmi
Coincidence, i have mailed Managing Editor of Hinduism Today few days ago. and provided them the link of best of agniveer series so that they would get an idea what Agniveer is upto.
They didn’t replied me yet. May be they have made a contact to Agniveer directly.
Agniveer mahoday, Many good suggestions. But this war, which is what it truly is, make no mistake, isn’t going to be won over the internet. Ground work needs to happen. And on a massive scale. Not 10 or 100 or even 1000 people here and there. I am talking of lakhs, even crores of people being brought to the fold of dharma.
One more point. In one comment you say, “No we don’t have any agenda of conversion like the Church or IRF”. I say, why be apologetic about conversion. Hindus should unabashedly approach the matter of bringing Muslims and Christians into the fold of dharma.
One of the question asked to Sri K P Shibu a former priest in Vincentian Congregation of the Catholic Church.
13.During the last 100 years, Christianity has been promoted in India by the successive colonial powers. Many Christian countries in the west provided unceasing flow of finance and personnel. The cost of the enterprise over the years is mind-boggling. Yet Christianity has failed to reap a rich harvest among the Hindu ‘heathens’ – Why?
K P Shibu – Christianity utterly failed in India because of the greatness of Hinduism. Christians, even under the colonial rule could not march forward and convert people en-masse. Christianity in India is facing an identity crisis. Even though they tried to exploit the caste system to the maximum, they failed to reap a rich harvest among the Hindu heathens. Hindus should work for the ‘eradication of caste system’ and bring equality, then Hinduism will shine forever and nobody will quit it, how big the offer is.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/all-that-matters/Caste-and-capital-cant-coexist/articleshow/10202564.cms
Above was a nice article which talks about how capitalism is slowly making caste divisions irrelevant.
This is easier said than done. The caste system cannot be eradicated. It has been a part of our lives since the past few thousand years, so getting rid of it in a few decades is impossible. Just look at this:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/article2554384.ece
I liked only one thing about this post, that is that caste needs to be eradicated from our thoughts. I feel that is of utmost importance.
However, eradication of the caste system is a distant dream. Very, very distant. And I have no hope.
All you need to do is open a matrimonial column from a newspaper. You will see how futile the proposed measures in this article are.
Shyamala
People like you were sitting idle when freedom fighters were sacrificing their lives for nation thinking that Mughal rule and then British rule is impossible to root out. Now that you are enjoying freedom, you are blabbering on other subjects.
Do one thing, keep shut. Your comments too are not at all path breaking. They have no worth on forums like this. Bye..
You, sir are quite the drama queen.
Tell me, what is wrong in what I said?
Can the caste system be eradicated in a few decades? Did you see the matrimonial column in the newspaper today? Am I wrong in saying that this is easier said than done?
You feel angry only because I said the truth. That’s all.
Just tell this dear sister, are you willing to join us in putting a few baby steps ahead? Development of this website also took centuries – language, printing, binary maths, electromagnetism, manufacturing technology, IC technology, computing, internet, web standards, server etc etc.
So even if it will take centuries, why not do something worthwhile for future generations! By the way, if you understand Law of Karma, you would never focus on short-term goals alone.
We hope you shall join us to light one small candle in this darkness.
Dhanyavad
The very fact that I am on this website means that I have joined the movement. But is pointing out the reality wrong?
I am only saying that it will take a long, long time before the caste system is eradicated. The inequalities are too wide to bridge. Of course we are on the right track, but isn’t it worthwhile to keep an eye on the reality too?
@Shyamala
Let me share my experiences. After reading the articles of Agniveer, I have discussed the caste system thing with my 10 of colleagues and i succesfully able to remove their casteist mindset. One of my colleague is “so called” SC and he was so happy with Agniveer’s explanation. He gained great confidence. Everytime i see him, i thank Agniveer that by reading his articles i made atleast one person to feel better and that he isin’t a disgrace.
Now, if I or Agniveer have been as negative as you, would i have done that? So keep your pessimisstic views with you and don’t post ever here.
So, true. I have discussed the philosophy of vedas with many of my friends. I have also discussed the fact that there is no caste system in vedas. They seem to be convinced with the ideology and now at least my immediate friend circle doesn’t have castiest mentality. I will make it sure that from my generation on-wards, there will be no one to even mention one’s caste. Movement agniveer has given me new confidence and has totally changed my thinking and perception.
Dear sister,
why so much hatred? I agree the caste system has been part of our culture for many years, but we suffered alot due to it. Many of our priests deviated from Vedas, many of our warriors were weaklings due to this stupid caste system which resulted in some war losses. Now, even if it takes time, we have to start taking action to destroy the caste system. The easiest way you can help us is by propagating these articles to your friends, etc. When people read these articles and draw inspiration from them, this wave will strike our country in each and every location, and the caste system will become history. Agniveer movement has already created a big impact not only in India but even internationally. For example, there was a time when no one knew even the names of Vedas, but would often talk about Geetha or Ramayan. Today, thanks to Agniveer movement, Vedas have become so popular and this lights up a dark path which will allow all of us to walk upon and return to Vedas once again.
bahut achcha laga.
aise hi jaankari dete rahen.
Caste system of Hindus can be destroyed only by means of large scale inter-caste marriages among the Hindu families of equivalent and compatible financial/education status. However, it is ironical that no one ever talks about this. All other measures suggested above are likely to have very little effect on caste system. Removing caste-based surnames, making dalit priests in temples, etc won’t make strong blow on caste system. Why don’t people talk and work on promoting and motivation inter-caste marriages?
The Ravidas Mandir in Haiderabad, Sindh,Pakistan is still safe, as is the Balmiki temple, because the community is needed for the services it provides. This is how, our hindu society survived even through the 1000 years of muslim rule.. every jathi had expertise in their profession, which invading muslims lacked.. they might have occuped the political structure, but they need a society to rule.. the society will function, only if all jathis did their profession… Most jathis offered only two choices.. either to leave enmasse, or to die.. so the muslim kings could not do much about these jathis…… since jathis were self-organised and independant, they had the confidence to withstand against muslim kings.. UNFORTUNATELY, the Hindutva people today, had been advocating destruction of jaathi.. As a result, our society had lost all those skill sets, which continued for 1000s of years..
You are right. In the year 2001, there were 826 terrorist attacks in Tripura in which 405 persons were killed and 481 cases of kidnapping by the rebels. The case of Jamatiya tribals provides a telling example. These tribals have strong spiritual leaders and a network of social service organizations headed by their religious leaders. These indigenous sects are neither exclusive nor expansionist. The Baptist Church has always failed miserably in its conversion efforts with regard to this well-knit community.
Hence, it is no wonder that the NLFT has made Jamatiya institutions and their religious leaders the targets of their attacks. In the August of 2000, religious leaders of the Jamatiya community like Jaulushmoni Jamatiya and Shanit Kumar Tripura were killed by the NLFT, and Jamatiya families were uprooted from their homelands and made refugees.
The death threats issued by the NLFT to the inmates of these institutions have already forced the closure of 11 Jamatiya institutions like schools and orphanages, set up by the slain religious leaders in various parts of Tripura.
The purported objective of the NLFT is to establish an ‘independent’ Tripura through an armed struggle following the liberation from ‘Indian neo- colonialism and imperialism’ and furtherance of a ‘distinct and independent identity’
UNFORTUNATELY, THE HINDUTWA PEOPLE TODAY, HAD BEEN ADVOCATING DISTRUCTION OF JAATHI, I would never blame such LOVE JEHADI organisations. I would blame just the parents of young girls. so much about such organisations has come into light but still girls fall a prey for such traps. WHEN WE LOST OUR WOMEN ,WE WILL LOST ENTIRE SOCIETY.
Parents of our modern India are never bothered if the child ever reads the news. children are often encouraged to be book worms. and hence they fail to know whats happening in the society and ultimately this situations make things easier for such social enemies.parents have to encourage children to know the evils of society.and Im sure love jihadis will never win.
YOU WILL CRY but also will learn a lesson!
A Mother’s WARNING To Girls
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=10999&SKIN=B
REASONS FOR WHICH THE MUSLIM YOUTH ARE RUNNING AFTER NON-MUSLIM GIRLS:
1. To cripple the growth rate of the Hindus by converting the Hindu girls to Islam.
2. To increase the Muslim population, by marrying Hindu girls and procreating too many offspring.
3. After procreating desired numbers of children, they may be deployed in jihadi gangs, or terrorist organizations.
4. Some of them are used as suicide bombers.
5. Above all, there are prospects for lucrative financial gain for a successful seducer as reward from Muslim organisations.
6. After successful trapping of a Hindu or non-Muslim girls, they create porno films and marketing them at a high price.
7. Making pornographic videos and marketing them. They also threat the victims to remain silent, otherwise they threat that they would display these videos in public.
8. To make huge money by viewing those videos in the Gulf countries.
9. To use the victims as sex-slaves through fake love and promise of a bright future.
10. Some of these girls are transported to the rich Gulf countries and sell them as sex-slaves. The price of virgin girls is extremely high in these slave-markets.
Number one reason is to secure a place in heaven with 72 virgin girls, 28 cute boys and a lot of wine and honey.
Sir i am a class 11th student. I have started a campaign against terrorism ‘JAGRITI’ in Lucknow, UP. I am very much inspired by your posts. I will like your further guidance. Sir I will also like to contribute to the cause.
Actually,students like you are needed for India.I appreciate your anger for terrorism.It is right.
Caste system in ancient times, like you mentioned, were based on people’s qualifications and their jobs; just like what we say blue color and white color. A Brahmin’s son was never a Brahmin unless he completes the rigorous education that a Brahmin was expected to complete. Even a Shudra could study vedas, and puranas and become Brahmin or in our current term a “scholar”. Here’s example from Ramayana. Balmiki was a robber, born in Sudra family. Later he meditated , studied and became Brahmin and ultimately wrote Ramayana, one of the Holiest book! Viswamitra, who hold yagya for Dasaratha to get sons who would be Rama, Laxmana, etc., was born in a Kshyatria family. He studied and became Brahmin. Parasuram was born in a Brahmin family, but his deed made him Kshyatria.
There are tons of examples like if one looks at the ancient texts. These prove that all of us are humans and hence are equals of each other and our identity is based on what we do not in what family we were born in. If being born in Sudra family would make you untouchable, then how would Ramayana be holy? So, we need to forget this ongoing unreasonable caste system. There are exist untouchables. Only thing that the ancient caste system does is divides type of people’s duty into four groups and says anyone can move from one to another with everybody’s work being equally important to complete the society, just like different parts of our body.
excuse my grammar BTW. I was in rush.
Some Scientific facts of caste system in Vedas
“chaathur varnyam mayaa srushtam guna karma vibhaagasa”: I have created the four varnas (purely) based on the quality of the profession (karma) respectively……….. Varna can be said as colour or group.
Scientific evidence for this statement
Dr. P. Raman, MBBS, MD, Professor of Calicut Medical College, Kerala and Skin specialist conducted with a team of doctors, the aura analyses of few hundred people using Kirlian photography. Aura of the people from all religion and caste were subjected to the analyses and found that the aura (of all the people) can be classified under four colors.
I think we should stop using surnames. That will help in establihing true meritocracy.
(1) The Shudras were one of the Aryan communities of the Solar race.
(2) There was a time when the Aryan society recognised only three Varnas, namely. Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas.
(3) The Shudras did not form a separate Varna. They ranked as part of the Kshatriya Varna in the Indo-Aryan society.
(4) There was a continuous feud between the Shudra kings and the Brahmins in which the Brahmins were subjected to many tyrannies and indignities.
(5) As a result of the hatred towards the Shudras generated by their tyrannies and oppressions, the Brahmins refused to perform the Upanayana of the Shudras.
(6) Owing to the denial of Upanayana, the Shudras who were Kshatriyas became socially degraded, fell below the rank of the Vaishyas and thus came to form the fourth Varna.
I feel that castiesm in ancient time was based on the marits/karma and not birth. a person “Shudra” by birth can become brahmin by graduating Vedas.
Kalidas was not brahmin by birth, however through his deeds/karma he became brahmin.
Although I belong to brahmin family by birth, My karma is related to Shudra and therefore I used to identify my self as “Janmeshu Brahman, karmeshu kshudra”.
I am very inspired by the articles and efforts put by Agniveer for the betterment of Sanatan Dharma – which is not way of life – but synonym of life.