The reality of caste system – Next Move

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…continued from http://agniveer.com/5415/the-reality-of-caste-system-2/

The goal of this series of writing was not to paint a gloomy hopeless picture and make all of feel guilty. Instead the goal is to be objective and realistic about our history and present and pave a smart way for future.

This is what needs to be done to save India and Hindus Let each of us strive for this at whatever level we can and soon the efforts would multiply into a transformation within a few years.

- Reject caste system totally in thoughts, words and actions 

 

– Stop associating with our forefathers to defend their mistakes. This is also a form of caste system. Take collective responsibility for whatever happened. So-called birth-based Brahmins and Kshatriyas are not the only ones to be blamed. So-called Dalits and Shudras are more to be blamed. Why did they allow these fake Brahmins and Kshatriyas to usurp power and create nuisance for centuries?

Now let bygones be bygones. Stop calling yourself as belonging to any caste except humanity. Stop blaming any Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya or Shudra for whatever happened in past or happens now. Our fight is against a mindset and not persons. Our success will depend on how strongly we refuse to even accept any person by his caste in first place.

And stop the habit of defending every other thing in name of culture and tradition.

 

– So totally reject every scripture, every ritual, every institution that thrives on birth-based caste system. Lets say a full-stop to it, be it a great temple or festival or a book we have been taught to love since early childhood for generations.

Agniveer did not find Vedas – the first texts – to contain any support for such ridiculous unverifiable conjectures. On contrary Vedas extol for pure meritocracy. Also Vedas are free from adulterations to best of our knowledge. Hence we consider Vedas as our foundation. All other texts are acceptable only to extent they comply with Vedas. And if they advocate casteism, racism or gender bias, they are anything but scriptures. Lets reject them outright, as well as those people, institutions and rituals that defend these.

 

– This does not mean we reject our forefathers outrightly. Accept their good points, do keep track of deeds of your forefathers if you want to. But only as an inspiration and source of motivation. Refuse to enjoy delusion of your supremacy based on deeds of your forefathers. No one gives you a 1st Rank in University because your grandfather was a topper! 

 

– Refuse to acknowledge any temple that refuses to accept a talented so-called Dalit as a priest. Either grab its control and install meritocracy or let such temples of hatred be boycotted. That may be the greatest pilgrim center, but publicity does not make a villain into a hero.

 

– Coordinate with local temples controlled by logical minds to openly accept non-Hindus as Hindus with dignity. They may do a short ritual like recitation of Gayatri Mantra and make one a Hindu. No need for any mention of any caste except that he is a human. Only adherence to certain basic lifestyle norms like food, charity, education, non-violence, worship of Supreme, equality of all human beings etc may suffice.

 

– Events should be organized where these Shuddhis are done at larger scale. And those taking part should be made into Brahmins who then are eligible to conduct religious rituals and be priests of temples.

 

– In fact special temples be opened with Dalit and erstwhile non-Hindu priests. It has started in many areas but needs to be done more aggressively.

 

– In so-called Dalit areas, rituals should be conducted that convert them into Brahmins who then conduct rituals of Brahminization of other Dalits. What more, these people should be provided surnames like Sharma, Tiwari, Tripathi, Chaturvedi, Dwivedi, Trivedi etc that they can legally use. This should happen in such wide scale that within few years, it becomes impossible to distinguish between a Brahmin of few years and a Brahmin of few generations. (There is no way to find Brahmins of more than a few generations in absence of credible DNA verification). Swami Dayanand used to distribute sacred thread widely to promote Vedic Dharma. We should also use this symbol to promote our mission.

 

– One challenge that would come is from reservation based politics which would coax so-called Dalits to continue being called Dalits and earn privileges at cost of dignity. But if wider community support programs and avenues of entrepreneurship be explored, this factor would gradually die natural death. In any case, within a couple of decades, the craze of government secured jobs is poised to die down among enlightened class of society due to much more attractive entrepreneurial and global opportunities, thanks to technological revolution.

Now due to politicization, people have started feeling proud to be called Dalits or Anarya! This is a very foolish reaction to events of history that defeats the very purpose. Dalit means one who is trampled. Its an abuse and society should refuse to use this world for any caste. One who is economically or socially neglected is a Dalit regardless of his or her caste. Any villain is an Anarya. A daughter of a fisherman is a noble Brahmin if she is a scholar. She is a Chaturvedi if she has mastered 4 Vedas. So instead of nurturing clustering of people around terms like Dalit, Arya, Picchdi Jaati, Backward Caste, Scheduled Caste, we should refuse to even recognize such foolish divisions when entire humanity is one caste one race. Factional parties thriving on Bahujan, Dalit, Dravida appeasements are as great enemies of humanity as the fake Brahmins and Kshatriyas of yesteryears – both are nurturing the foolish caste system for their selfish reasons or sheer irrationality.

But now is the golden time to understand the fakeness of hollow caste system and destroy its very foundations. Of course challenges are there but even the opportunity is historic.

Agniveer is determined to make this its number one priority. We appeal to all to join us in this mission as we initiate a movement through ground level implementation of above plans.

We know that this article may arouse some angry reactions from those who support denial of Vedas based on birth or feel men are superior to women and other bogus concepts. But we do not care because we are with truth and know that caste system is against Vedas, against humanity, against logic and against nation.

Those who desire to debate us on this are most welcome! But before that you must showcase your DNA reports so that we can reliably conclude that you are indeed from a genealogy of Brahmins since inception of Vedas and not children of a cunning Chandal who took a Brahmin guise some generations ago. After all by your own admission, only authentic Brahmins have the right to debate on Vedas!

May the rule of merit prevail!

Om Shantih Shantih Shantih!

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    • Praveen says

      Yes. I agree. Please read below
      CASTE SYSTEM – A GIFT TO INDIA.
      CASTE SYSTEM and ITS BENEFITS (No shortcut to success)
      Why some mangoes(Hapus) are treated high quality? You are insulting the low quality mangoes.
      Why reservation in trains for AC, 3-tier, 2-tier? You are insulting low earning people.
      Why physically handicapped not allowed in Army? You are insulting handicapped people.
      Why SCSTs reservation not allowed in medical?? You are insulting them.
      Why don’t you enter Laboratory with slippers and shoes? Scientists inside lab are insulting you.
      Why there are Generals and Commanders in Army? You are insulting low rank officers.
      Why why why this????
      Because you like to eat mangoes which are sweeter than others.
      Because you like to be comfortable in journey when compared to less hardworking class of people.
      Because hiring physically handicapped people in army will put Nation in danger.
      Because SCSTs reservation in medical will kill people. Lack of knowledge is dangerous.
      Because rules are set by scientists in labs. Violating rules will not give proper results in experiment.
      Because low rank officers are not trained to handle the situation that may come. So classification in must.
      Hence there is classification of people in India based on their mental and physical deliverable. If you ignore caste system, you will see more and more trouble as its evident from present India.

      • Ayyaaz says

        Why some mangoes(Hapus) are treated high quality? You are insulting the low quality mangoes.
        -Quality is determined by species, for a mango tree there will be good and bad quality fruits, if the tree gets ideal environment and treatment, you cannot go and mark a spot and be assured it will bear good/bad for all upcoming seasons. What you do is treat the tree ideally as a whole, outcome is always uncertain. Humans are homo sapiens, all are same species, humans need same treatment as well.

        Why reservation in trains for AC, 3-tier, 2-tier? You are insulting low earning people.
        -Even low earning people can work hard, save money and book a seat in highest class. Is this true about castes?

        Why physically handicapped not allowed in Army? You are insulting handicapped people.
        -Insulting? No? We still make them part of army in technical departments. They are given an equal status.

        Why SCSTs reservation not allowed in medical?? You are insulting them.
        -No casteism, no reservation, no insult.

        Why don’t you enter Laboratory with slippers and shoes? Scientists inside lab are insulting you.
        -But scientists too leave out their casual shoes, what’s so insulting? They would surely give us the outfit they’re wearing, and when we walk out, everyone is free to put on their shoes.

        Why there are Generals and Commanders in Army? You are insulting low rank officers.
        -Being general and commanders was never their birth right, neither were they given the rank because their great great grandfather was a general. And even low rank officers can get promoted.

        If you want to be tactful, be so on some reality grounds.

        • Pankaj says

          You say scst reservation kill the people.
          scst reservation is only 22.5 %. and obc 27 =49.5%
          why you not fight 35% upper class general student for 51.5%.
          this is not question for reservation in govt. sector.
          this is question for self dignity.
          i am a dalit boy..Recently complete engg. from sharda university..my hometown in bihar.
          i love a Rajput girl from 4 year apprx. she also love me.
          but when i talk about marriage then she say love, sex everything is okay but how do you think that i marry with a dalit guy who is cast of chamar.
          So You upper class person not want to end scst reservation.
          When you not realize why i not born in scst family till reservation cannot be end.
          why You or your family member not do arrange marriage with any dalit guy or girl
          when You do start this then everyone is in reservation and then reservation self end.
          You brahman and kshatriya have mindset for dalit untouchable till now.
          Why You always cry reservation reservation…why you not want to end casteism in Hindu society.
          This is very big ques. that cannot be end..
          this is question for Self Dignity.
          Not for govt. Job.

      • Ram says

        Hi Praveen!!
        Your thinking is very cheap!! Humans are born equally. There is no caste system before God!! Due to caste system and insult of low caste people left Hinduism and converted into other!!!

  1. says

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    मुस्लिमों के कथित दलित-प्रेम का भंडाफोड ..इस्लाम के सम्बन्ध में स्वयं बाबा साहब भीमराव अम्बेडकर के विचार –

    १. हिन्दू काफ़िर सम्मान के योग्य नहीं-”मुसलमानों के लिए हिन्दू काफ़िर हैं, और एक काफ़िर सम्मान के योग्य नहीं है। वह निम्न कुल में जन्मा होता है, और उसकी कोई सामाजिक स्थिति नहीं होती। इसलिए जिस देश में क़ाफिरों का शासनहो, वह मुसलमानों के लिए दार-उल-हर्ब है ऐसी सति में यह साबित करने के लिए और सबूत देने की आवश्यकता नहीं है कि मुसलमान हिन्दू सरकार के शासन को स्वीकार नहीं करेंगे।” (पृ. ३०४)

    २. मुस्लिम भ्रातृभाव केवल मुसलमानों के लिए-”इस्लाम एक बंद निकाय की तरह है, जो मुसलमानों और गैर-मुसलमानों के बीच जो भेद यह करता है, वह बिल्कुल मूर्त और स्पष्ट है। इस्लाम का भ्रातृभाव मानवता का भ्रातृत्व नहीं है, मुसलमानों का मुसलमानों से ही भ्रातृभाव मानवता का भ्रातृत्व नहीं है, मुसलमानों का मुसलमानों से ही भ्रातृत्व है। यह बंधुत्व है, परन्तु इसका लाभ अपने ही निकाय के लोगों तक सीमित है और जो इस निकाय से बाहर हैं, उनके लिए इसमें सिर्फ घृणा ओर शत्रुता ही है। इस्लाम का दूसरा अवगुण यह है कि यह सामाजिक स्वशासन की एक पद्धति है और स्थानीय स्वशासन से मेल नहीं खाता, क्योंकि मुसलमानों की निष्ठा, जिस देश में वे रहते हैं, उसके प्रति नहीं होती, बल्कि वह उस धार्मिक विश्वास पर निर्भर करती है, जिसका कि वे एक हिस्सा है। एक मुसलमान के लिए इसके विपरीत या उल्टे सोचना अत्यन्त दुष्कर है। जहाँ कहीं इस्लाम का शासन हैं, वहीं उसका अपना विश्वासहै। दूसरे शब्दों में, इस्लाम एक सच्चे मुसलमानों को भारत को अपनी मातृभूमि और हिन्दुओं को अपना निकट सम्बन्धी मानने की इज़ाजत नहीं देता। सम्भवतः यही वजह थी कि मौलाना मुहम्मद अली जैसे एक महान भारतीय, परन्तु सच्चे मुसलमान ने, अपने, शरीर को हिन्दुस्तान की बजाए येरूसलम में दफनाया जाना अधिक पसंद किया।”

    ३. एक साम्प्रदायिक और राष्ट्रीय मुसलमान में अन्तर देख पाना मुश्किल-”लीग को बनाने वाले साम्प्रदायिक मुसलमानों और राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमानों के अन्तर को समझना कठिन है। यह अत्यन्त संदिग्ध है कि राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमान किसी वास्तविक जातीय भावना, लक्ष्य तथा नीति से कांग्रेस के साथ रहते हैं, जिसके फलस्वरूप वे मुस्लिम लीग् से पृथक पहचाने जाते हैं। यह कहा…

  2. says

    यह कहा जाता है कि वास्तव में अधिकांश कांग्रेसजनों की धारण है कि इन दोनों में कोई अन्तर नहीं है, और कांग्रेस के अन्दर राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमानों की स्थिति साम्प्रदायिक मुसलमानों की सेना की एक चौकी की तरह है। यह धारणा असत्य प्रतीत नहीं होती। जब कोई व्यक्ति इस बात को याद करता है कि राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमानों के नेता स्वर्गीय डॉ. अंसारी ने साम्प्रदायिक निर्णय का विरोध करने से इंकार किया था, यद्यपिकांग्रेस और राष्ट्रवादी मुसलमानों द्वारा पारित प्रस्ताव का घोर विरोध होने पर भी मुसलमानों को पृथक निर्वाचन उपलब्ध हुआ।” (पृ. ४१४-४१५)

    ४. भारत में इस्लाम के बीज मुस्लिम आक्रांताओं ने बोए-”मुस्लिम आक्रांता निस्संदेह हिन्दुओं के विरुद्ध घृणा के गीत गाते हुए आए थे। परन्तु वे घृणा का वह गीत गाकर और मार्ग में कुछ मंदिरों को आग लगा कर ही वापस नहीं लौटे। ऐसा होता तो यह वरदान माना जाता। वे ऐसे नकारात्मक परिणाम मात्र से संतुष्ट नहीं थे। उन्होंने इस्लाम का पौधा लगाते हुए एक सकारात्मक कार्य भी किया। इस पौधे का विकास भी उल्लेखनीय है। यह ग्रीष्म में रोपा गया कोई पौधा नहीं है। यह तो ओक (बांज) वृक्ष की तरह विशाल और सुदृढ़ है। उत्तरी भारत में इसका सर्वाधिक सघन विकास हुआ है। एक के बाद हुए दूसरे हमले ने इसे अन्यत्र कहीं को भी अपेक्षा अपनी ‘गाद’ से अधिक भरा है और उन्होंने निष्ठावान मालियों के तुल्य इसमें पानी देने का कार्य किया है। उत्तरी भारत में इसका विकास इतना सघन है कि हिन्दू और बौद्ध अवशेष झाड़ियों के समान होकर रह गए हैं; यहाँ तक कि सिखों की कुल्हाड़ी भी इस ओक (बांज) वृक्ष को काट कर नहीं गिरा सकी।” (पृ. ४९)

    ५. मुसलमानों की राजनीतिक दाँव-पेंच में गुंडागर्दी-”तीसरी बात, मुसलमानों द्वारा राजनीति में अपराधियों के तौर-तरीके अपनाया जाना है। दंगे इस बात के पर्याप्त संकेत हैं कि गुंडागिर्दी उनकी राजनीति का एक स्थापित तरीका हो गया है।” (पृ. २६७)

    ६. हत्यारे धार्मिक शहीद-”महत्व की बात यह है कि धर्मांध मुसलमानों द्वारा कितने प्रमुख हिन्दुओं की हत्या की गई। मूल प्रश्न है उन लोगों के दृष्टिकोण का, जिन्होंने यह कत्ल किये। जहाँ कानून लागू किया जा सका, वहाँ हत्यारों को कानून के अनुसार सज़ा मिली; तथापि प्रमुख मुसलमानों ने इन अपराधियों की कभी निंदा नहीं की। इसके वपिरीत उन्हें ‘गाजी’ बताकर उनका स्वागत किया गया और उनके क्षमादान के लिए…

  3. says

    तथापि प्रमुख मुसलमानों ने इन अपराधियों की कभी निंदा नहीं की। इसके वपिरीत उन्हें ‘गाजी’ बताकर उनका स्वागत किया गया और उनके क्षमादान के लिए आन्दोलन शुरू कर दिए गए। इस दृष्टिकोण का एक उदाहरण है लाहौर के बैरिस्टर मि. बरकत अली का, जिसने अब्दुल कयूम की ओर से अपील दायर की। वह तो यहाँ तक कह गया कि कयूम नाथूराम की हत्या का दोषी नहीं है, क्योंकि कुरान के कानून के अनुसार यह न्यायोचित है। मुसलमानों का यह दृष्टिकोण तो समझ में आता है, परन्तु जो बात समझ में नहीं आती, वह है श्री गांधी का दृष्टिकोण।”(पृ. १४७-१४८)

    ७. हिन्दू और मुसलमान दो विभिन्न प्रजातियां-”आध्याम्कि दृष्टि से हिन्दू और मुसलमान केवल ऐसे दो वर्ग या सम्प्रदाय नहीं हैं जैसे प्रोटेस्टेंट्‌स और कैथोलिक या शैव और वैष्णव, बल्कि वे तो दो अलग-अलग प्रजातियां हैं।” (पृ. १८५)

    ८. इस्लाम और जातिप्रथा-”जाति प्रथा को लीजिए। इस्लाम भ्रातृ-भाव की बात कहता है। हर व्यक्ति यही अनुमान लगाता है कि इस्लाम दास प्रथा और जाति प्रथा से मुक्त होगा। गुलामी के बारे में तो कहने की आवश्यकता ही नहीं। अब कानून यह समाप्त हो चुकी है। परन्तु जब यह विद्यमान थी, तो ज्यादातर समर्थन इसे इस्लाम और इस्लामी देशों से ही मिलता था। कुरान में पैंगबर ने गुलामों के साथ उचित इस्लाम में ऐसा कुछ भी नहीं है जो इस अभिषाप के उन्मूलन के समर्थन में हो। जैसाकि सर डब्ल्यू. म्यूर ने स्पष्ट कहा है-

    ”….गुलाम या दासप्रथा समाप्त हो जाने में मुसलमानों का कोई हाथ नहीं है, क्योंकि जब इस प्रथा के बंधन ढीले करने का अवसर था, तब मुसलमानों ने उसको मजबूती से पकड़ लिया….. किसी मुसलमान पर यह दायित्व नहीं है कि वह अपने गुलामों को मुक्त कर दें…..”

    ”परन्तु गुलामी भले विदा हो गईहो, जाति तो मुसलमानों में क़ायम है। उदाहरण के लिए बंगाल के मुसलमानों की स्थिति को लिया जा सकता है। १९०१ के लिए बंगाल प्रांत के जनगणना अधीक्षक ने बंगाल के मुसलमानों के बारे में यह रोचक तथ्य दर्ज किए हैं :

    ”मुसलमानों का चार वर्गों-शेख, सैयद, मुग़ल और पठान-में परम्परागत विभाजन इस पांत (बंगाल) में प्रायः लागू नहीं है। मुसलमान दो मुखय सामाजिक विभाग मानते हैं-१. अशरफ अथवा शरु और २. अज़लफ। अशरफ से तात्पर्य है ‘कुलीन’, और इसमें विदेशियों के वंशज तथा ऊँची जाति के अधर्मांतरित हिन्दू शामिल हैं। शेष अन्य मुसलमान जिनमें व्यावसायिक वर्ग और निचली…

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    ”मुसलमानों का चार वर्गों-शेख, सैयद, मुग़ल और पठान-में परम्परागत विभाजन इस पांत (बंगाल) में प्रायः लागू नहीं है। मुसलमान दो मुखय सामाजिक विभाग मानते हैं-१. अशरफ अथवा शरु और २. अज़लफ। अशरफ से तात्पर्य है ‘कुलीन’, और इसमें विदेशियों के वंशज तथा ऊँची जाति के अधर्मांतरित हिन्दू शामिल हैं। शेष अन्य मुसलमान जिनमें व्यावसायिक वर्ग और निचली जातियों के धर्मांतरित शामिल हैं, उन्हें अज़लफ अर्थात्‌ नीचा अथवा निकृष्ट व्यक्ति माना जाता है। उन्हें कमीना अथवा इतर कमीन या रासिल, जो रिजाल का भ्रष्ट रूप है, ‘बेकार’ कहा जाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एक तीसरा वर्ग ‘अरज़ल’ भी है, जिसमें आने वाले व्यक्ति सबसे नीच समझे जाते हैं। उनके साथ कोई भी अन्य मुसलमान मिलेगा-जुलेगा नहीं और न उन्हें मस्जिद और सार्वजनिक कब्रिस्तानों में प्रवेश करने दिया जाता है।

    इन वर्गों में भी हिन्दुओं में प्रचलित जैसी सामाजिक वरीयताऔर जातियां हैं।

    १. ‘अशरफ’ अथवा उच्च वर्ग के मुसलमान (प) सैयद, (पप) शेख, (पपप) पठान, (पअ) मुगल, (अ) मलिक और (अप) मिर्ज़ा।

    २. ‘अज़लफ’ अथवा निम्न वर्ग के मुसलमान

    (i) खेती करने वाले शेख और अन्य वे लोग जो मूलतः हिन्दू थे, किन्तु किसी बुद्धिजीवी वर्ग से सम्बन्धित नहीं हैं और जिन्हें अशरफ समुदाय, अर्थात्‌ पिराली और ठकराई आदि में प्रवेश नहीं मिला है।

    ( ii) दर्जी, जुलाहा, फकीर और रंगरेज।

    (iii) बाढ़ी, भटियारा, चिक, चूड़ीहार, दाई, धावा, धुनिया, गड्‌डी, कलाल, कसाई, कुला, कुंजरा, लहेरी, माहीफरोश, मल्लाह, नालिया, निकारी।

    (iv) अब्दाल, बाको, बेडिया, भाट, चंबा, डफाली, धोबी, हज्जाम, मुचो, नगारची, नट, पनवाड़िया, मदारिया, तुन्तिया।

    ३. ‘अरजल’ अथवा निकृष्ट वर्ग

    भानार, हलालखोदर, हिजड़ा, कसंबी, लालबेगी, मोगता, मेहतर।

    जनगणना अधीक्षक ने मुस्लिम सामाजिक व्यवस्था के एक और पक्ष का भी उल्लेख किया है। वह है ‘पंचायत प्रणाली’ का प्रचलन। वह बताते हैं :

    ”पंचायत का प्राधिकार सामाजिक तथा व्यापार सम्बन्धी मामलों तक व्याप्त है और……..अन्य समुदायों के लोगों से विवाह एक ऐसा अपराध है, जिस पर शासी निकायकार्यवाही करता है। परिणामत: ये वर्ग भी हिन्दू जातियों के समान ही प्रायः कठोर संगोती हैं, अंतर-विवाह पर रोक ऊंची जातियों से लेकर नीची जातियों तक लागू है। उदाहरणतः कोई घूमा अपनी ही जाति…

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    उदाहरणतः कोई घूमा अपनी ही जाति अर्थात्‌ घूमा में ही विवाह कर सकता है। यदि इस नियम की अवहेलना की जाती है तो ऐसा करने वाले को तत्काल पंचायत के समक्ष पेश किया जाता है। एक जाति का कोई भी व्यक्ति आसानी से किसी दूसरी जाति में प्रवेश नहीं ले पाता और उसे अपनी उसी जाति का नाम कायम रखना पड़ता है, जिसमें उसने जन्म लिया है। यदि वह अपना लेता है, तब भी उसे उसी समुदाय का माना जाता है, जिसमें कि उसने जन्म लिया था….. हजारों जुलाहे कसाई का धंधा अपना चुके हैं, किन्तु वे अब भी जुलाहे ही कहे जाते हैं।”

    इसी तरह के तथ्य अन्य भारतीय प्रान्तों के बारे में भी वहाँ की जनगणना रिपोर्टों से वे लोग एकत्रित कर सकते हैं, जो उनका उल्लेख करना चाहते हों। परन्तु बंगाल के तयि ही यह दर्शाने के लिए पर्याप्त हैं कि मुसलमानों में जाति प्राणी ही नहीं, छुआछूत भी प्रचलित है।” (पृ. २२१-२२३)

    ९. इस्लामी कानून समाज-सुधार के विरोधी-”मुसलमानों में इन बुराइयों का होना दुखदहैं। किन्तु उससे भी अधिक दुखद तथ्य यह है कि भारत के मुसलमानों में समाज सुधार का ऐसा कोई संगठित आन्दोलन नहीं उभरा जो इन बुराईयों का सफलतापूर्वक उन्मूलन कर सके। हिन्दुओं में भी अनेक सामाजिक बुराईयां हैं। परन्तु सन्तोषजनक बात यह है कि उनमें से अनेक इनकी विद्यमानता के प्रति सजग हैं और उनमें से कुछ उन बुराईयों के उन्मूलन हेतु सक्रिय तौर पर आन्दोलन भी चला रहे हैं। दूसरी ओर, मुसलमान यह महसूस ही नहीं करते कि ये बुराईयां हैं। परिणामतः वे उनके निवारण हेतु सक्रियता भी नहीं दर्शाते। इसके विपरीत, वे अपनी मौजूदा प्रथाओं में किसी भी परिवर्तन का विरोध करते हैं। यह उल्लेखनीय है कि मुसलमानों ने केन्द्रीय असेंबली में १९३० में पेश किए गए बाल विवाह विरोधी विधेयक का भी विरोध किया था, जिसमें लड़की की विवाह-योग्य आयु १४ वर्ष् और लड़के की १८ वर्ष करने का प्रावधान था। मुसलमानों ने इस विधेयक का विरोध इस आधार पर किया कि ऐसा किया जाना मुस्लिम धर्मग्रन्थ द्वारा निर्धारित कानून के विरुद्ध होगा। उन्होंने इस विधेयक का हर चरण पर विरोध ही नहीं किया, बल्कि जब यह कानून बन गया तो उसके खिलाफ सविनय अवज्ञाअभियान भी छेड़ा। सौभाग्य से उक्त अधिनियम के विरुद्ध मुसलमानों द्वारा छोड़ा गया वह अभ्यिान फेल नहीं हो पाया, और उन्हीं दिनों कांग्रेस द्वारा चलाए गए सविनय अवज्ञा आन्दोलन में समा गया। परन्तु उस अभियान से यह तो सिद्ध…

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    परन्तु उस अभियान से यह तो सिद्ध हो ही जाता है कि मुसलमान समाज सुधार के कितने प्रबल विरोधी हैं।” (पृ. २२६)

    १०. मुस्लिम राजनीतिज्ञों द्वारा धर्मनिरपेक्षता का विरोध-”मुस्लिम राजनीतिज्ञ जीवन के धर्मनिरपेक्ष पहलुओं को अपनी राजनीति का आधार नहीं मानते, क्योंकि उने लिए इसका अर्थ हिन्दुओं के विरुद्ध अपने संघर्ष में अपने समुदाय को कमजोर करना ही है। गरीब मुसलमान धनियों से इंसाु पाने के लिए गरीब हिन्दुओं के साथ नहीं मिलेंगे। मुस्लिम जोतदार जमींदारों के अन्याय को रोकने के लिए अपनी ही श्रेणी के हिन्दुओं के साथ एकजुट नहीं होंगे। पूंजीवाद के खिलाफ श्रमिक के संघर्ष में मुस्लिम श्रमिक हिन्दू श्रमिकों के साथ शामिल नहीं होंगे। क्यों ? उत्तर बड़ा सरल है। गरीब मुसलमान यह सोचता है कि यदि वह धनी के खिलाफ गरीबों के संघर्ष में शामिल होता है तो उसे एक धनी मुसलमान से भी टकराना पड़ेगा। मुस्लिम जोतदार यह महसूस करते हैं कि यदि वे जमींदारों के खिलाफ अभियान में योगदान करते हैं तो उन्हें एक मुस्लिम जमींदार के खिलाफ भी संघर्ष करना पड़ सकता है। मुसलमान मजदूर यह सोचता है कि यदि वह पूंजीपति के खिलाफ श्रमिक के संघर्ष में सहभागी बना तो वह मुस्लिम मिल-मालिक की भावाओं को आघात पहुंचाएगा। वह इस बारे में सजग हैं कि किसी धनी मुस्लिम, मुस्लिम ज़मींदार अथवा मुस्लिम मिल-मालिक को आघात पहुंचाना मुस्लिम समुदाय को हानि पहुंचाना है और ऐसा करने का तात्पर्य हिन्दू समुदाय के विरुद्ध मुसलमानों के संघर्ष को कमजोर करना ही होगा।” (पृ. २२९-२३०)

    ११. मुस्लिम कानूनों के अनुसार भरत हिन्दुओं और मुसलमानों की समान मातृभूमि नहीं हो सकती-”मुस्लिम धर्म के सिद्धान्तों के अनुसार, विश्व दो हिस्सो में विभाजित है-दार-उल-इस्लाम तथा दार-उल-हर्ब। मुस्लिम शासित देश दार-उल-इस्लाम हैं। वह देश जिसमें मुसलमान सिर्फ रहते हैं, न कि उस पर शासन करते हैं, दार-उल-हर्ब है। मुस्लिम धार्मिक कानून का ऐसा होने के कारण भारत हिन्दुओं तथा मुसलमानों दोनों की मातृभूमि नहीं हो सकती है। यह मुसलमानों की धरती हो सकती है-किन्तु यह हिन्दुओं और मुसलमानों की धरती, जिसमें दोनोंसमानता से रहें, नहीं हो सकती। फिर, जब इस पर मुसलमानों का शासन होगा तो यह मुसलमानों की धरती हो सकती है। इस समय यह देश गैर-मुस्लिम सत्ता के प्राधिकार के अन्तर्गत हैं, इसलिए मुसलमानों की धरती नहीं हो सकती। यह देश दार-उल-इस्लाम…

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    यह देश दार-उल-इस्लाम होने की बजाय दार-उल-हर्ब बन जाताप है। हमें यह नहीं मान लेना चाहिए कि यह दृष्टिकोण केवल शास्त्रीय है। यह सिद्धान्त मुसलमानों को प्रभावित करने में बहुत कारगर कारण हो सकता है।” (पृ. २९६-२९७)

    १२. दार-उल-हर्व भारत को दार-उल-इस्लाम बनाने के लिए जिहाद-”यह उल्लेखनीय है कि जो मुसलमान अपने आपको दार-उल-हर्ब में पाते हैं, उनके बचाव के लिए हिजरत ही उपाय नहीं हैं मुस्लिम धार्मिक कानून की दूसरी आज्ञा जिहाद (धर्म युद्ध) है, जिसके तहत हर मुसलमान शासक का यह कर्त्तव्य हो जाता है कि इस्लाम के शासन का तब तक विस्तार करता रहे, जब तक सारी दुनिया मुसलमानों के नियंत्रण में नहीं आ जाती। संसार के दो खेमों में बंटने की वजह से सारे देश या दो दार-उल-इस्लाम (इस्लाम का घर) या दार-उल-हर्ब (युद्ध का घर) की श्रेणी में आते हैं। तकनीकी तौर पर हर मुस्लिम शासक का, जो इसके लिए सक्षम है, कर्त्तव्य है कि वह दार-उल-हब्र कोदार-उल-इस्लाम में बदल दे; और भारत में जिस तरह मुसलमानों के हिज़रत का मार्ग अपनाने के उदाहरण हैं, वहाँ ऐसेस भी उदाहरण हैं कि उन्होंने जिहाद की घोषणा करने में संकोच नहीं किया।”

    ”तथ्य यह है कि भारत, चाहे एक मात्र मुस्लिम शासन के अधीन न हो, दार-उल-हर्ब है, और इस्लामी सिद्धान्तों के अनुसार मुसलमानों द्वारा जिहाद की घोषणा करना न्यायसंगत है। वे जिहाद की घोषणा ही नहीं कर सकते, बल्कि उसकी सफलता के लिए विदेशी मुस्लिम शक्ति की मदद भी ले सकते हैं, और यदि विदेशी मुस्लिम शक्ति जिहाद की घोषणा करना चाहती है तो उसकी सफलता के लिए सहायता दे सकते हैं।” (पृ. २९७-२९८)

    १३. हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता असफल क्यों रही ?-”हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता की विफलता का मुखय कारण इस अहसास का न होना है कि हिन्दुओं और मुसलमानों के बीच जो भिन्नताएं हैं, वे मात्र भिन्नताएं ही नहीं हैं, और उनके बीच मनमुटाव की भावना सिर्फ भौतिक कारणों से ही नहीं हैं इस विभिन्नता का स्रोत ऐतिहासिक, धार्मिक, सांस्कृतिक एवं सामाजिक दुर्भावना है, और राजनीतिक दुर्भावना तो मात्र प्रतिबिंब है। ये सारी बातें असंतोष का दरिया बना लेती हैं जिसका पोषण उन तमाम बातों से होता है जो बढ़ते-बढ़ते सामान्य धाराओं को आप्लावित करता चला जाता हैं दूसरे स्रोत से पानी की कोई भी धारा, चाहे वह कितनी भी पवित्र क्यों न हो, जब स्वयं उसमें आ मिलती है तो उसका रंग बदलने के बजाय वह स्वयं उस…

  8. says

    तो उसका रंग बदलने के बजाय वह स्वयं उस जैसी हो जाती हैं दुर्भावना का यह अवसाद, जो धारा में जमा हो गया हैं, अब बहुत पक्का और गहरा बन गया है। जब तक ये दुर्भावनाएं विद्यमान रहती हैं, तब तक हिन्दू और मुसलमानों के बीच एकता की अपेक्षा करना अस्वाभाविक है।” (पृ. ३३६)

    १४. हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता असम्भव कार्य-”हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता की निरर्थकता को प्रगट करने के लिए मैं इन शब्दों से और कोई शबदावली नहीं रख सकता। अब तक हिन्दू-मुस्लिम एकता कम-से-कम दिखती तो थी, भले ही वह मृग मरीचिका ही क्यों न हो। आज तो न वह दिखती हे, और न ही मन में है। यहाँ तक कि अब तो गाांी ने भी इसकी आशा छोड़ दी है और शायद अब वह समझने लगे हैं कि यह एक असम्भव कार्य है।” (पृ. १७८)

    १५. साम्प्रदायिक शान्ति के लिए अलपसंखयकों की अदला-बदली ही एक मात्र हल-”यह बात निश्चित है कि साम्प्रदायिक शांति स्थापित करने का टिकाऊ तरीका अल्पसंखयकों की अदला-बदली ही हैं।यदि यही बात है तो फिर वह व्यर्थ होगा कि हिन्दू और मुसलमान संरक्षण के ऐसे उपाय खोजने में लगे रहें जो इतने असुरक्षित पाए गए हैं। यदि यूनान, तुकी और बुल्गारिया जैसे सीमित साधनों वाले छोटे-छोटे देश भी यह काम पूरा कर सके तो यह मानने का कोई कारण नहीं है कि हिन्दुस्तानी ऐसा नहीं कर सकते। फिर यहाँ तो बहुत कम जनता को अदला-बदली करने की आवश्यकता पड़ेगी ओर चूंकि कुछ ही बाधाओं को दूर करना है। इसलिए साम्प्रदायिक शांति स्थापित करने के लिए एक निश्चित उपाय को न अपनाना अत्यन्त उपहासास्पद होगा।” (पृ. १०१)

    १६. विभाजन के बाद भी अल्पसंखयक-बहुसंखयक की समस्या बनी ही रहेगी-”यह बात स्वीकार कर लेनी चाहिए कि पाकिस्तान बनने से हिन्दुस्तान साम्प्रदायिक समस्यासे मुक्त नहीं हो जाएगा। सीमाओं का पुनर्निर्धारण करके पाकिस्तान को तो एक सजातीय देश बनाया जा सकता हे, परन्तु हिन्दुस्तान तो एक मिश्रित देश बना ही रहेगा। मुसलमान समूचे हिन्दुस्तान में छितरे हुए हैं-यद्यपि वे मुखयतः शहरों और कस्बों में केंद्रित हैं। चाहे किसी भी ढंग से सीमांकन की कोशिश की जाए, उसे सजातीय देश नहीं बनायाजा सकता। हिन्दुस्तान को सजातीय देश बनाने काएकमात्र तरीका है, जनसंखया की अदला-बदली की व्यवस्था करना। यह अवश्य विचार कर लेना चाहिए कि जब तक ऐसा नहीं कियाजाएगा, हिन्दुस्तान में बहुसंखयक बनाम अल्पसंखयक की समस्या और हिन्दुस्तान की राजनीति में असंगति पहले की तरह…

  9. says

    राजनीति में असंगति पहले की तरह बनी ही रहेगी।” (पृ. १०३)

    १७. अल्पसंखयकों की सुरक्षा के लिए संवैधानिक उपाय-”अब मैं अल्पसंखयकों की उस समस्या की ओर आपका ध्यान दिलाना चाहता हूँ जो सीमाओं के पुनः निर्धारण के उपरान्त भी पाकिस्तान में बनी रहेंगी। उनके हितों की रक्षा करने के दो तरीके हैं। सबसे पहले, अल्पसंखयकों के राजनीतिक और सांस्कृतिक अधिकारों की रक्षा के लिए संविधान में सुरक्षा उपाय प्रदान करने हैं। भारतीय के लिए यह एक सुपरिचित मामला है और इस बात पर विस्तार से विचार करना आवश्यक है।” (पृ. ३८५)

    १८. अल्पसंखयकों की अदला-बदली-एक संभावित हल-”दूसरा तरीका है पाकिस्तान से हिन्दुस्तान में उनका स्थानान्तरणकरने की स्थिति पैदा करना। अधिकांश जनता इस समाधान को अधिक पसंद करती हे और वह पाकिस्तान की स्वीकृति के लिए तैयार और इच्छुक हो जाएगी, यदि यह प्रदर्शित किया जा से कि जनसंखया का आदान-प्रदान सम्भव है। परन्तु इसे वे होश उड़ा देने वालीऔर दुरूह समस्या समझते हैं। निस्संदेह यह एक आतंकित दिमाग की निशनी है। यदि मामले पर ठंडे और शांतिपूर्ण एंग से विचार किया जाए तो पता लग जाएगा कि यह समस्या न तो होश उड़ाने वाली है, और न दुरूह।” (पृ. ३८५)

    (सभी उद्धरण बाबा साहेब डॉ. अम्बेडकर सम्पूर्ण वाड्‌मय, खंड १५-’पाकिस्तान और भारत के विभाजन, २००० से लिए गए हैं)

  10. says

    Hi Guys,

    Well written article and your intentions are noble.

    I don’t try to support Brahmins or caste system in anyway.

    Brahmins like or ought to traditionally follow rituals at home such as prayers with pure and clean environment, means not consuming meat etc etc (I assume there may be some more).

    In that scenario, how can we expect that they should encourage mingling or allowing people from societies who don’t care about such pure practices? Would any Muslim allow some one who had pork just before entering in to your house? And allow them to mix with your children and family? If not, then why? I think that’s the answer for Muslims who ask questions about the caste system present in Hinduism.

    My theory for the caste system’s initial point is, x accept that ok we are ‘x’ and we don’t have to bother ‘y’ because of choice of lifestyle etc or other way around. That’s how a,b,c,d etc might have been created by ‘y’ or someone who had any societal power.

    Just imagine, if no politician provide fuel between communities and government provide support for people not based on caste or religion but their income, how nice the society will be with the caste system? People identify each others culture and traditions with no troubles because we can’t erase such facts from their mindset, can we?

    But fighting, killing and treating people unequal in the name of caste is stupidity, and if that is the case then we should ignore any form of caste system.

    • KalBhairav says

      Vanakkam Tamilscafe:

      You raise an interesting point…how far is caste system justified AS LONG AS IT IS NOT MISUSED? But given India’s current situation, where vote-bank politics rules the roost, it is bound to be misused. Just yesterday Mayawati wanted reservations for Muslims. Today she has come out asking for reservation for “upper castes”. I say, why this nonsense? Let us help ANY Indian who is poor regardless of caste/religion! Why is that so difficult?

      Good series of articles and hope a lot of this translates into action on the ground. Ultimately, I feel it is going to be only an economically ascendant India that is able to transcend caste barriers. So, let the fortunate ones amongst us – those who are blessed with an education, jobs, middle-class lifestyle, etc. not be stingy in “spreading our wealth around” a bit if that is possible. An educated “lower caste” person is sooner or later going to be on his/her own and will not fall prey to dirty vote bank politics or evangelical vultures. Personally, I have taken up paying for life insurance and education fees for our maid’s daughter as long as she continues her education. It is not a “big deal” for me, but it reduces the burden on her family and just one of the many ways all of us in our own individual capacities can make India richer and stronger!

      • shravak says

        @KB

        ——–Personally, I have taken up paying for life insurance and education fees for our maid’s daughter as long as she continues her education. It is not a “big deal” for me, but it reduces the burden on her family and just one of the many ways all of us in our own individual capacities can make India richer and stronger!——-

        hmm, nice way. i donate through giveindia.org mostly for food to poor children.

      • says

        Vanakkam KalBhairav

        I think, probably identifying people in different category for good cause would obviously bring up worthy outcomes, I still remember in my school days, one of my teachers ask poor students (struggling to understand, I was one of them too) to sit in the first three benches for a while and then mix up talented ones with poor ones later, his course of actions were wonderful and I still remember his teachings.

        As far as politicians concern, most of them politics is just a business, investment and profit as simple as that, some of them are good at their business. Poor people don’t understand this simple fact; they sell their votes for the short time benefits.

        Helping others is always a noble gesture (as mentioned by TI) for any living being, be it money or anything else. It’s nice to hear that you and shravak help others, I haven’t done that so far financially, but my wife does, she is bit generous though 

        If you (OR ANYONE read this) come across anyone in need of educational (school students) support, please let me know, in my blog I am opening a column for this to ask others to provide such verifiable information (better to be from Tamilnadu as a start), I hope I can manage little numbers from my income. If it goes beyond me and my wife’s limit then I would probably seek help from my friends.

          • says

            Dear All,

            We feel extremely pleased that outcomes of discussions and debates at Agniveer are resulting in such a positive direction. Ultimately the goal for all of us is to help humanity.

            So we strongly encourage everyone to support selfless benevolent deeds rising above man-made difference, purely on need.

            As everyone rightly pointed out, education and economy are definitely keys to solve all problems of intolerance and discrimination in name of caste, gender, religion, geography etc, if mixed with a dose of spiritualism and rationalism. That is what Agniveer mission is all about.

            So thank you all for supporting the mission by carrying these activities in your personal lives. Do support the most needy around regardless of any artificial condition like caste, religion, geography etc and ensure that Law of Karma will support you! Try to help the deserving through education or employment or any other suitable means.

            Agniveer team also proactively involves itself in such activities and intends to do them in more organized manner. We recently identified a Delhi-suburb slum area where we provide career guidance/ personality development to young students in 13-18 age range so that they can make themselves eligible for well-paid jobs and glorious careers that not only helps them and their families but also nation and humanity. The number would soon reach in excess of 100 and we would seek support from likeminded people in Delhi/NCR who could devote a few hours in weekends in this. The students predominantly belong so-called Dalit Hindus, Dalit Christians, Muslims. No we don’t have any agenda of conversion like the Church or IRF. We focus solely on making them self-competent. Those willing to join may contact us through Contact page.

            But thanks to everyone who get into similar activities in other ways as well! In your sincerity lies our true success!
            Admin

  11. original siva says

    Is this Top Dark Political secret of Rahul and Sonia Gandhi?
    Else how many other Political secret both have?

    On September 27, 2001 Rahul Gandhi MP and his Columbian live in girl friend of Kerala backwater tourist centre fame, Juanita alias Veronique, was arrested in United States of America’s Logan airport in Boston, by the FBI. Rahul was having an Italian passport and was carrying suitcase full of dollars. Some say it was about $2 billion or was it $2 million. This huge dollar amount generated suspicion with the US authorities. Rahul and his girl friend was thus detained by FBI. FBI suspected that Rahul was carrying terrorist funds or drug money for laundering in US. Rahul called his mother Sonia Gandhi in India . In turn Sonia called Brijesh Mishra, the former National Security Advisor and a key aide to former prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee at the Prime Ministers Office. Brijesh Mishra intervened on behalf of our PM Vajpayee with the US Administration for the release Rahul from FBI custody. Rahul Gandhi was released only when the Indian Ambassador intervened and gave assurances to the State Department that Rahul Gandhi will be produced for any future enquiry by FBI. Not only that as a patriot, it was the duty of Brijesh Mishra to find out the reasons for the arrest and inform our CBI to take necessary further steps. Brijesh Mishra did not do any such thing. The incident clearly shows that Brajesh Mishra was working for Sonia, that he had deep connections with US state department. In short Brijesh Mishra is a traitor.

    In Sep 2004 when Washington played host to Young political sons, Sachin Pilot, Milind Deora, Jitin Prasada (all Congress Party), and Manvendra Singh (a lone BJP fellow) followed by liquor baron who got himself elected to a the Rajya Sabha, Vijay Mallya (Janata Party) and ever smiling Rajiv Shukla of the Congress. Yet one prominent face was missing which was that of Rahul Gandhi. Rahul Gandhi didn’t go to USA with the young politicians. It was Shukla who conceived the idea of the…

  12. Mritunjay Pandey says

    Namaste,
    Indeed its a noble move to eradicate the cast system by its root! But
    if you talk to many so called upper-cast(birth based) people , they will say you that it’s practical! Heredity also supports their remark! You have given example of Raman and Chandrashekhar but you forgot about The Great Mathematician Ramanujan and also Swami Dayanand Sarswati Ji! Their are many other examples. It’s not that the people of upper caste hates others, but it’s the cheap mentality,ideology and practices which are hated a lot. Even in the present society you will find the same conditions with so called birth-based low caste people.
    Only economic condition people can eradicate the caste system and can create status resemblance!
    Dhanyavad :)

    • Raja says

      Heredity has a limited role. But that does not imply you restrict social and religious rights to certain sections of people on basis of so-called heredity. Why give examples of a few cases? If indeed heredity is so important, every Brahmin and every Kshatriya should have been a legend. And if that be so, what made lighthouse of world a beggar? If you blame on conspiracies, it means Brahmins and Kshatriyas – who were ruling the country for thousands of years – were actually idiots.

      Ramanujan learned the Mleccha’s mathematics. No Brahmin was there to teach him mathematics! It would be foolish to call you dumb when you were not even allowed to learn. But this is not a blame game. All are responsible, however now practive steps need to be taken to very roots of thinking that make one think being inferior or superior since birth.

      By the way, the Mlecchas of west – who are considered worse than even shudras and ‘dalits’ – were far more superior than the best Brahmins of best breed! Read the family history of major scientists. Faraday’s father was a lowly apprentice at a blacksmith. Newton was son of a farmer. in any case, all were mlecchas!

      Education isimportant. But breaking mindset is even more important. Because that stunts even the effect of education.

      If one says that a Dalit cannot enter a temple or become a priest, then even after education this curse will not go away. And since religion forms bedrock of our sentimental life – that governs us more than rationality – we need to break this wall to actually make education successful.

      • Mritunjay Pandey says

        I too favor the eradication of cast system and heinous mindset of people. But what I am talking about is intellect and other practices of upper cast(birth based) people which they get through their parents such as cleanliness,education,vegetarianism and many others. And these are the reasons given by upper cast people to restrict shudras in entering temple and other holy places or for performing other holy practices. If a person is born in upper cast family he/she get the environment which make them more concerned about their education,dignity and respect.

        Mathematics is not a private property of anybody(No doubt it has been started in INDIA only as we see in THE GREAT VEDA ,Upanishads and other books)! And talking about Ramanujan ,he was a born genius, greatest Mathematician ever born, parallel to Newton and Gauss! And so was Swami Dayanand Sarswati and some others. It’s not that I am only giving few examples, but what I think is their is something in this birth based cast system which compelled our ancestors to take this step!

        I don’t know how you are saying that malecchas were far more superior than best Brahmins of best breed?! Newton’s and others got name and fame, they are popular ones but their were far more intelligent people born in India who didn’t get the respect they should get. I am sure you have heard about Aryabhat, Chanakya etc! 1000 years
        of rule and and invasions has ruined our society a lot.

        Education is really important! But today if you see the present condition of our society it’s really not working. Our education system was ruined by invaders, we need to change it first. You know the present condition of dalits in UP and other states.

    • Roy says

      I think people confuse jati, Varna and caste. Varna is non-hereditary and individual. Jati is community and there is nothing wrong with having one’s own cultural, traditional, endogenous community. Caste (which is a Portuguese word by the way not Indian, not Sanskrit, not Hindu) is inherited class status. It is inherited class status that has to go.

  13. Rashmi says

    Dear agniveer,
    I can contribute monthly for the good cause. Me and my spouse had been helping needy and poor as n when possible, donating food, we funded tution fees for our maids daughter. But we do not trust any organisation b’cos lot of hidden agendas are there esp in tamilnadu and kerala, money is used on the guise of social work for conversion and antinational activities. You have concrete proposals do let us know. Collective efforts are best n fruitful istead of individual efforts.
    I have written a article on India- a perspective of eminent western scolars and scientist, for a magazine Veda Eka Ishwariya vaani. All of you can subscribe this magazine published from xammu editor is swami ramswarup ji.

    Further agniveer can you write on Vedas for Hinduism Today – a magazine for Hindus published from Kuaii monastery of America site is www. Hinduismtoday.com, just google it out.
    The need of Hour is to spread the truth thats all.

    with regards rashmi

  14. Arya Katyayan says

    Agniveer mahoday, Many good suggestions. But this war, which is what it truly is, make no mistake, isn’t going to be won over the internet. Ground work needs to happen. And on a massive scale. Not 10 or 100 or even 1000 people here and there. I am talking of lakhs, even crores of people being brought to the fold of dharma.

    One more point. In one comment you say, “No we don’t have any agenda of conversion like the Church or IRF”. I say, why be apologetic about conversion. Hindus should unabashedly approach the matter of bringing Muslims and Christians into the fold of dharma.

  15. shravak says

    One of the question asked to Sri K P Shibu a former priest in Vincentian Congregation of the Catholic Church.

    13.During the last 100 years, Christianity has been promoted in India by the successive colonial powers. Many Christian countries in the west provided unceasing flow of finance and personnel. The cost of the enterprise over the years is mind-boggling. Yet Christianity has failed to reap a rich harvest among the Hindu ‘heathens’ – Why?

    K P Shibu – Christianity utterly failed in India because of the greatness of Hinduism. Christians, even under the colonial rule could not march forward and convert people en-masse. Christianity in India is facing an identity crisis. Even though they tried to exploit the caste system to the maximum, they failed to reap a rich harvest among the Hindu heathens. Hindus should work for the ‘eradication of caste system’ and bring equality, then Hinduism will shine forever and nobody will quit it, how big the offer is.

  16. Shyamala says

    This is easier said than done. The caste system cannot be eradicated. It has been a part of our lives since the past few thousand years, so getting rid of it in a few decades is impossible. Just look at this:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/article2554384.ece

    I liked only one thing about this post, that is that caste needs to be eradicated from our thoughts. I feel that is of utmost importance.

    However, eradication of the caste system is a distant dream. Very, very distant. And I have no hope.
    All you need to do is open a matrimonial column from a newspaper. You will see how futile the proposed measures in this article are.

    • says

      Shyamala

      People like you were sitting idle when freedom fighters were sacrificing their lives for nation thinking that Mughal rule and then British rule is impossible to root out. Now that you are enjoying freedom, you are blabbering on other subjects.

      Do one thing, keep shut. Your comments too are not at all path breaking. They have no worth on forums like this. Bye..

      • shyamalacruise says

        You, sir are quite the drama queen.

        Tell me, what is wrong in what I said?
        Can the caste system be eradicated in a few decades? Did you see the matrimonial column in the newspaper today? Am I wrong in saying that this is easier said than done?

        You feel angry only because I said the truth. That’s all.

    • says

      Just tell this dear sister, are you willing to join us in putting a few baby steps ahead? Development of this website also took centuries – language, printing, binary maths, electromagnetism, manufacturing technology, IC technology, computing, internet, web standards, server etc etc.

      So even if it will take centuries, why not do something worthwhile for future generations! By the way, if you understand Law of Karma, you would never focus on short-term goals alone.

      We hope you shall join us to light one small candle in this darkness.

      Dhanyavad

      • shyamalacruise says

        The very fact that I am on this website means that I have joined the movement. But is pointing out the reality wrong?

        I am only saying that it will take a long, long time before the caste system is eradicated. The inequalities are too wide to bridge. Of course we are on the right track, but isn’t it worthwhile to keep an eye on the reality too?

    • shravak says

      @Shyamala

      Let me share my experiences. After reading the articles of Agniveer, I have discussed the caste system thing with my 10 of colleagues and i succesfully able to remove their casteist mindset. One of my colleague is “so called” SC and he was so happy with Agniveer’s explanation. He gained great confidence. Everytime i see him, i thank Agniveer that by reading his articles i made atleast one person to feel better and that he isin’t a disgrace.

      Now, if I or Agniveer have been as negative as you, would i have done that? So keep your pessimisstic views with you and don’t post ever here.

      • Nikhil says

        So, true. I have discussed the philosophy of vedas with many of my friends. I have also discussed the fact that there is no caste system in vedas. They seem to be convinced with the ideology and now at least my immediate friend circle doesn’t have castiest mentality. I will make it sure that from my generation on-wards, there will be no one to even mention one’s caste. Movement agniveer has given me new confidence and has totally changed my thinking and perception.

    • Vik says

      Dear sister,

      why so much hatred? I agree the caste system has been part of our culture for many years, but we suffered alot due to it. Many of our priests deviated from Vedas, many of our warriors were weaklings due to this stupid caste system which resulted in some war losses. Now, even if it takes time, we have to start taking action to destroy the caste system. The easiest way you can help us is by propagating these articles to your friends, etc. When people read these articles and draw inspiration from them, this wave will strike our country in each and every location, and the caste system will become history. Agniveer movement has already created a big impact not only in India but even internationally. For example, there was a time when no one knew even the names of Vedas, but would often talk about Geetha or Ramayan. Today, thanks to Agniveer movement, Vedas have become so popular and this lights up a dark path which will allow all of us to walk upon and return to Vedas once again.

  17. Nikhil Yadav says

    Caste system of Hindus can be destroyed only by means of large scale inter-caste marriages among the Hindu families of equivalent and compatible financial/education status. However, it is ironical that no one ever talks about this. All other measures suggested above are likely to have very little effect on caste system. Removing caste-based surnames, making dalit priests in temples, etc won’t make strong blow on caste system. Why don’t people talk and work on promoting and motivation inter-caste marriages?

  18. s says

    The Ravidas Mandir in Haiderabad, Sindh,Pakistan is still safe, as is the Balmiki temple, because the community is needed for the services it provides. This is how, our hindu society survived even through the 1000 years of muslim rule.. every jathi had expertise in their profession, which invading muslims lacked.. they might have occuped the political structure, but they need a society to rule.. the society will function, only if all jathis did their profession… Most jathis offered only two choices.. either to leave enmasse, or to die.. so the muslim kings could not do much about these jathis…… since jathis were self-organised and independant, they had the confidence to withstand against muslim kings.. UNFORTUNATELY, the Hindutva people today, had been advocating destruction of jaathi.. As a result, our society had lost all those skill sets, which continued for 1000s of years..

    • vikram says

      You are right. In the year 2001, there were 826 terrorist attacks in Tripura in which 405 persons were killed and 481 cases of kidnapping by the rebels. The case of Jamatiya tribals provides a telling example. These tribals have strong spiritual leaders and a network of social service organizations headed by their religious leaders. These indigenous sects are neither exclusive nor expansionist. The Baptist Church has always failed miserably in its conversion efforts with regard to this well-knit community.
      Hence, it is no wonder that the NLFT has made Jamatiya institutions and their religious leaders the targets of their attacks. In the August of 2000, religious leaders of the Jamatiya community like Jaulushmoni Jamatiya and Shanit Kumar Tripura were killed by the NLFT, and Jamatiya families were uprooted from their homelands and made refugees.
      The death threats issued by the NLFT to the inmates of these institutions have already forced the closure of 11 Jamatiya institutions like schools and orphanages, set up by the slain religious leaders in various parts of Tripura.

      • samir says

        The purported objective of the NLFT is to establish an ‘independent’ Tripura through an armed struggle following the liberation from ‘Indian neo- colonialism and imperialism’ and furtherance of a ‘distinct and independent identity’

  19. s says

    UNFORTUNATELY, THE HINDUTWA PEOPLE TODAY, HAD BEEN ADVOCATING DISTRUCTION OF JAATHI, I would never blame such LOVE JEHADI organisations. I would blame just the parents of young girls. so much about such organisations has come into light but still girls fall a prey for such traps. WHEN WE LOST OUR WOMEN ,WE WILL LOST ENTIRE SOCIETY.
    Parents of our modern India are never bothered if the child ever reads the news. children are often encouraged to be book worms. and hence they fail to know whats happening in the society and ultimately this situations make things easier for such social enemies.parents have to encourage children to know the evils of society.and Im sure love jihadis will never win.

    • jay says

      REASONS FOR WHICH THE MUSLIM YOUTH ARE RUNNING AFTER NON-MUSLIM GIRLS:

      1. To cripple the growth rate of the Hindus by converting the Hindu girls to Islam.

      2. To increase the Muslim population, by marrying Hindu girls and procreating too many offspring.

      3. After procreating desired numbers of children, they may be deployed in jihadi gangs, or terrorist organizations.

      4. Some of them are used as suicide bombers.

      5. Above all, there are prospects for lucrative financial gain for a successful seducer as reward from Muslim organisations.

      6. After successful trapping of a Hindu or non-Muslim girls, they create porno films and marketing them at a high price.

      7. Making pornographic videos and marketing them. They also threat the victims to remain silent, otherwise they threat that they would display these videos in public.

      8. To make huge money by viewing those videos in the Gulf countries.

      9. To use the victims as sex-slaves through fake love and promise of a bright future.

      10. Some of these girls are transported to the rich Gulf countries and sell them as sex-slaves. The price of virgin girls is extremely high in these slave-markets.

  20. Aayush Rastogi says

    Sir i am a class 11th student. I have started a campaign against terrorism ‘JAGRITI’ in Lucknow, UP. I am very much inspired by your posts. I will like your further guidance. Sir I will also like to contribute to the cause.

  21. Ramesh says

    Caste system in ancient times, like you mentioned, were based on people’s qualifications and their jobs; just like what we say blue color and white color. A Brahmin’s son was never a Brahmin unless he completes the rigorous education that a Brahmin was expected to complete. Even a Shudra could study vedas, and puranas and become Brahmin or in our current term a “scholar”. Here’s example from Ramayana. Balmiki was a robber, born in Sudra family. Later he meditated , studied and became Brahmin and ultimately wrote Ramayana, one of the Holiest book! Viswamitra, who hold yagya for Dasaratha to get sons who would be Rama, Laxmana, etc., was born in a Kshyatria family. He studied and became Brahmin. Parasuram was born in a Brahmin family, but his deed made him Kshyatria.

    There are tons of examples like if one looks at the ancient texts. These prove that all of us are humans and hence are equals of each other and our identity is based on what we do not in what family we were born in. If being born in Sudra family would make you untouchable, then how would Ramayana be holy? So, we need to forget this ongoing unreasonable caste system. There are exist untouchables. Only thing that the ancient caste system does is divides type of people’s duty into four groups and says anyone can move from one to another with everybody’s work being equally important to complete the society, just like different parts of our body.

  22. Bagyaraj says

    Some Scientific facts of caste system in Vedas
    “chaathur varnyam mayaa srushtam guna karma vibhaagasa”: I have created the four varnas (purely) based on the quality of the profession (karma) respectively……….. Varna can be said as colour or group.
    Scientific evidence for this statement
    Dr. P. Raman, MBBS, MD, Professor of Calicut Medical College, Kerala and Skin specialist conducted with a team of doctors, the aura analyses of few hundred people using Kirlian photography. Aura of the people from all religion and caste were subjected to the analyses and found that the aura (of all the people) can be classified under four colors.

  23. s says

    (1) The Shudras were one of the Aryan communities of the Solar race.

    (2) There was a time when the Aryan society recognised only three Varnas, namely. Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas.

    (3) The Shudras did not form a separate Varna. They ranked as part of the Kshatriya Varna in the Indo-Aryan society.

    (4) There was a continuous feud between the Shudra kings and the Brahmins in which the Brahmins were subjected to many tyrannies and indignities.

    (5) As a result of the hatred towards the Shudras generated by their tyrannies and oppressions, the Brahmins refused to perform the Upanayana of the Shudras.

    (6) Owing to the denial of Upanayana, the Shudras who were Kshatriyas became socially degraded, fell below the rank of the Vaishyas and thus came to form the fourth Varna.

  24. Anand says

    I feel that castiesm in ancient time was based on the marits/karma and not birth. a person “Shudra” by birth can become brahmin by graduating Vedas.

    Kalidas was not brahmin by birth, however through his deeds/karma he became brahmin.

    Although I belong to brahmin family by birth, My karma is related to Shudra and therefore I used to identify my self as “Janmeshu Brahman, karmeshu kshudra”.

    I am very inspired by the articles and efforts put by Agniveer for the betterment of Sanatan Dharma – which is not way of life – but synonym of life.

  25. says

    Well written about the caste system; but the real danger is the politicians who keep it alive. this if not checked with urgency will surely disintegrate India;with Muslims waiting in the wings watching with glee as the Yadavs compete with each other to be more Muslim than the Muslims.

  26. MC says

    I have debated on several sites with Indian ‘rationalists’ (aka deaf ears) about caste system and pointed out verses from the Veda and Mahabharat that were clearly opposed to discrimination and I got the typical – ‘you are just cherry picking’ response. Of course, then they always shield themselves with Manu Smriti and Apasthamba Sutras, point back and sit back with a conceited air of self-worth. When it is pointed out to them that such texts do not belong in the spiritual Vedic pantheon, again the typical baneful rhetoric of ‘as long as Vedic mentality persists, caste system will persist and affirmative action will not be undertaken’ is blurted out senselessly. Why are there so many people not convinced that caste system is not Hindu and how to change their minds. Of course, remember sites like Nirmukta feed on anger and hatred of people against Hinduism and undermine the efforts of people from organisations like Agniveer and AIM for Seva. Any way to spread the message that we are pro-affirmative action while also maintaining that reservations will not stop the problem? When such an argument is made, however, the typical – ‘you are clueless’ whining ensues. Any suggestions?

    • krishnarao says

      Namaste MC,

      Thanks for your post. I’m not sure what Angiveer’s response would be, but mine is simple, when these people say you are ‘cherry picking’ verses, ask them which verses are you looking at. They act like they are some experts on the Vedas. Than they should know the exact verses. And this part is important, don’t just ask which verses, ask them what translation they are using. Ask them if it is a translation by a Vedic person or some extremist Christian or other religion. If they give you a Christian or non-Vedic one, ask them why they picked a translation that was not Vedic. Make it clear to them to use the right sources. And seriously, there will be some people who will hold to their blind knowledge. And with them you can only present the true facts and leave it at that. With others who do have an open mind, work with them to educate the truth. And eventually, while working in the trenches more people will support Vedic Dharm instead of the false messages about Vedic Dharm.

      Best,
      Krishna

  27. nitha says

    The Muslims and British tried to define us in a way that we could be attacked even on cultural level. But the present day situation is partly contributed by our post-independence political leaders and pseudo- intellectuals also.
    Now I will mention only 5 names, all of them pillars of Hinduism from early times to present day. Although born out-castes, they are considred Sages (and Brahmins too), till date, based on their great achievements.
    1. Vishwamitra, born Kshatriya. who became a Brahmarshi (Brahmin and Sage). This happened in Vedic period.
    2. Satyakam Jaabaal, illicit child of a Shudra mother, who became Sage and Brahmin in Upanaishad perood.
    3. Parashuram, great grandson of of Kshtrya King Gadhi, a Brahmin.
    4. The creater of Ramayana, Sage Valmiki, was born a Dalit.
    5. The compiler of Mahabharat, considered the greatest Sage by Geeta, was born to, like you, a dheevar mother, who was unmarried. Her children, after marriage with king, became Kshatriyas. Thus step brothers, were dheevar as well as Brahmins and Kshatriyas.
    The Hinduism that we follow today has roots in Ramayana and Mahabharat, both contributed by a Dalit or Tribal. We are impressed by Vedanta, solely created by Brahmins and Kshatriyas, when acquire high level education and understanding, but Hinduism as practiced now has its essence in our epics. I hope, you will take pride in Sage Valmiki and Vyas.

    • ravi says

      That is right — most Hindu scriptures have been written by people of castes / professions who would today be considered low caste — Blame social engineering of British for this, especially the caste tables they prepared. Read Arun Shourie’s “Bending Over Backwards” — he has exposed the mischief of British census commissioners in manipulating identity of Hindus. Most of the Hindus questioned in the first-ever census said they had no idea what their caste was!!

      • nitha says

        The misinformation (about cast system)that is being marketed by an anti-India and anti-Hndu group of elitist JNU brand leftists.

  28. Rajan says

    The word caste is not a word that is indigenous to India. It originates in the Portuguese word casta which means race,breed, race or lineage. However, during the 19th century, the term caste increasingly took on the connotations of the word race.
    During the 19th century caste did not constitute a rigid description of the occupation and social level of a given group and it did not bear any real resemblance to the class system.
    The main concern is that the British saw caste as a way to deal with a huge population by breaking it down into discrete chunks with specific characteristics.
    It appears that the caste system extant in the late 19th and early 20th century has been altered as a result of British actions so that it increasingly took on the characteristics that were ascribed to by the British.
    It was not until 1872 that a planned comprehensive census was attempted. This was done under the direction of Henry Beverely, Inspector General of Registration in Bengal. The primary purpose given for the taking of the census, that of governmental preparedness to deal with disaster situations, was both laudable and logical.
    That reason was, quite simply, the British belief that caste was the key to understanding the people of India.
    Caste was seen as the essence of Indian society, the system through which it was possible to classify all of the various groups of indigenous people according to their ability, as reflected by caste, to be of service to the British.
    Here is a prime example of the racial purity theories that had been developing throughout the 19th century. Here also is the plainest explanation for the inclusion of the questions on race, caste and religion being included with the censuses.
    While the original intent may have been to gather data to assist governments in dealing with natural disaster and famine relief, the effect of the analysis of that data went far beyond these goals. Ultimately, the census provided data that allowed the British to have a much deeper effect on Indian society than might otherwise have been possible.

  29. Miville says

    I agree with you : wherever the anglo-saxons go colonizing other peoples, they ascribe them customs far more rigid than they ever had under the pretext of protecting their culture and in the intention of depriving them of any practical way out their dependence. I am a French Canadian by culture and when the Brits came they ascribed us a reactionary religious ancient régime mentality that never was in reality. Caste, or rather varna in India, before the arrival of Muslims and Europeans, was by no means more rigidly and hierarchical than other class systems of the world including our modern one. It had been most rigid beforehand exactly at the same time in the middle ages Western Europeans experienced the same social rigidity. Actually France has always been a caste society in the plain anglo-indian sense of the world, more than India proper. One sociologist, Pierre Bourdieu, determined very numerous and precise conditions that allow or not inter-dining between various groups, based on what he calls habitus.

  30. myammar says

    @aryasamajiyon, you can see what ur brothers budhist are doing. budhism never allow fighting but see what they are doing..”Huddled in a dark makeshift tent made of mud and plastic sheets, I tried to speak to a group of them. It took time to build trust, to get the conversation going. Their silence speaks much louder than words. Some wept. A 14-year-old girl broke the silence.

    She said one word.

    “Rape”.

    The others followed suit. They told us the Myanmar army and police go house to house, abducting men and sexually abusing women. One of the elders described what was happening in his homeland as state sponsored sectarian violence. And it is escalating, he said.

    For decades, Muslim Rohingyas have suffered extreme discrimination. Their dark skin and religious difference are a source of deep prejudice amongst Myanmar’s Buddhist majority. They are prohibited from owning land, running businesses, practicing their religion or getting married.

    Myanmar’s move towards democracy last year instilled many Rohingya with a new sense of hope. Most are supporters of Aung San Suu Kyi, but she has remained uncomfortably quiet on their plight.”
    http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/asia/scant-compassion-muslim-rohingya-refugees

    an SC if converts to budhism he will enjoy the benefit of reservation because budhism is a part of hinduism??????

    • SDC says

      The most important thing to note is that Muslims will not control their population because Islam prohibits family planning and they go on to procreate like rats. And since their homelands are not sufficient to sustain this burgeoning population, they export them to neighboring “najes” countries. So, the native population of these “najes” countries have no option left but to throw them out because they know full well that their (Muslim) population is gonna explode and will eventually reduce the natives to a minority as has already happened in the bordering states of our country, Assam and West Bengal, where these illegal immigrants are creating havoc by usurping government lands, engaging in illegal activities such as smuggling, counterfeit currency, gun running, providing shelters to Islamic extremists, etc.

  31. Anand Alte says

    Dear Author,I have read your caste based description in detail.I am glad to see that you people are going on the same direction as that of great FATHER OF INDIAN CONTITUTION DR.B.R.AMBEDKAR..WHILE READING your article it took me one of his book “who were the shudras”? pls read it for your further knowledge..why caste base system has evolved so much in india…from your article i reallized that you people are doing the thing which are not supported by your vedas…it will be foolish to say that the caste system is not supported by vedas…if it wasnt a case, there was no need to have a law which prevents caste system…it was and is there in vedas now a days also that people are judged on birth basis…also I wonderd why you have not taken any reference to buddhism on caste basis…infact buddha was the first person who rejected birth based theory of caste…whtaever points you have made here in your articel ..that merit should be the criteria for judging the people…it had been already told by buddha…and the dr.B.R.AMBEDKAR..i also wonderd why you have not taken references of ambedkar in your articles…whatever you have said is nothing new….buddha and ambedkar had told it 2500 years ago and 80 yrs ago respectively…and no one has taken their words….they also never told people to convert into specific religion as you said here that come back into hindu or vedic religion…you brahmins and hindu reallized that now its time to reviev your shastras so tha people will attract more to your religion…your method has changed …you have made a great blow on your basic sayings in birth based system…i find it is very difficult to reject birth based system for people in hindu and brahmin families…its going on since buddhas period and still you are talking about this…greatful to ambedkar who made this provision in the law that untouchibilty is crime by law…the and only then people started fearing the punishment and forgetted what written in vedas.I agree with you on one point only that “fight with the mindset and not with the person”..but if you make strongs laws then and only then peoples mindset will change…now a days there are very few exaples of following untouchibility…you should not be worried about these people bcoz they dont want to go to these money machin temples now a days…so dont make change into your forefathers writings…they have chosen their way….TO BUDDHISM and not to othr religion…BUDDHISM ONLY TEACHES EQUALITY… AND this concept of equality is adapted over the time by all other religions….so if your HIDDEN MISSION IS TO CONVERT DALITS INTO HINU OR BRAHMANISMS..VERY FEW PEOPLE WILL CONVERT AND THOSE WILL BE WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OF SELF….
    THANX FOR SUCH A BOLD ARTICLE….HOPE TO SEE POSITIVE MINDSET CHANGES IN THE SO CALLED UPPERCASTE HINDUS AND BRAHMIN ORTHODOX PEOPLE…

  32. Amitesh Kumar says

    Dalits should never forget that the caste system, which once upon a time was just an arrangement for the distribution of functions in society, just as much as class in Europe, has been the stick that all invaders have used to put down India.

    And it is today still skillfully employed by missionaries, Marxists and the millions of parasite non-governmental organisations who make money out of India’s misery, without really uplifting anything but their own bank accounts — one of the greatest scams today.

    • Jay says

      The word “caste” is from Portuguese, and it is not only the world but that word the Portuguese had a specific concept of social stratification based on race in the Americas. When they came to India they projected Caste onto the social structures in India and this was inaccurate. In Hinduism there is only Varna which is non hereditary, and in general Indian society there were jatis that you were born into, communities you lived your life in. Westerners know where the word caste came from and that it was not India or from Hinduism, and that caste was an inaccurate way to describe India. Jatis typically moved up and down Varna depending on the work they took up. Varna was not as rigid as people have made it out to be. Indians have made the mistake of creating a non-Varna strata called untouchables but untouchability is not unique to India – google it and information on its practice world wide comes up – and is not a part of Hinduism.

      Now Casta by the Portuguese
      “Casta (Spanish: [ˈkasta], Portuguese: [ˈkaʃtɐ, ˈkastɐ]) is a Spanish and Portuguese term used in 17th and 18th centuries mainly in Spanish America to describe as a whole the mixed-race people which appeared in the post-Conquest period. A parallel system of categorization based on the degree of acculturation to Hispanic culture, which distinguished between gente de razón (Hispanics) and gente sin razón (non-acculturated natives), concurrently existed and worked together with the idea of casta.

      The system of castas, or genizaros was inspired by the assumption that the character and quality of people varied according to their birth, color, race and origin of ethnic types. The system of castas was more than socio-racial classification. It impacted every aspect of life, including economics and taxation. Both the Spanish colonial state and the Church expected more tax and tribute payments from those of lower socio-racial categories.[1][2]
      Contents

      1 Etymology
      2 Castas
      3 Pintura de castas
      3.1 Sample sets of Casta Paintings
      3.2 Gallery
      4 See also
      5 References
      6 Bibliography
      7 External links

      Etymology
      Casta is an Iberian word (existing in Spanish, Portuguese and other Iberian languages since the Middle Ages), meaning “lineage”, “breed” or “race.” It is derived from the older Latin word castus, “chaste,” implying that the lineage has been kept pure. Casta gave rise to the English word caste during the Early Modern Period.[3][4]

      During the Spanish colonial period, Spaniards developed a complex caste system based on race, which was used for social control and which also determined a person’s importance in society.[5] There were four main categories of race: (1) Peninsular, a Spaniard born in Spain; (2) Criollo (feminine, criolla), a person of Spanish descent born in the New World; (3) Indio (fem. india), a person who is descendent of the original inhabitants of the Americas; and (4) Negro (fem. negra) – a person of black African descent, usually a slave or their free descendants.[5]

      General racial groupings had their own set of privileges and restrictions, both legal and customary. So, for example, only Spaniards and Amerindians, who were deemed to be the original societies of the Spanish dominions, had recognized aristocracies.[6][7] Also, in America and other overseas possessions, all Spaniards, regardless of their family’s class background in Europe, came to consider themselves equal to the Peninsular hidalgía and expected to be treated as such. Access to these privileges and even a person’s perceived and accepted racial classification, however, were also determined by that person’s socioeconomic standing in society.[8][9][10]

      Persons of mixed race were collectively referred to as “castas”.[11][12] Long lists of different terms, used to identify types of people with specific racial or ethnic heritages, were developed by the late 17th century. By the end of the colonial period in 1821, over one hundred categories of possible variations of mixture existed.[13] The terms for the more complex racial mixtures tended to vary in meaning and use and from region to region. (For example, different sets of casta paintings will give a different set of terms and interpretations of their meaning.) For the most part, only the first few terms in the lists were used in documents and everyday life, the general descending order of precedence being:

      Españoles (Spanish)

      These were persons of Spanish descent. People of other European descent who had settled in Spanish America and adapted to Hispanic culture, such as Pedro de Gante and the Marquises of Osorno and Croix, would have also been considered Españoles. Also, as noted above, and below under “Mestizos” and “Castizos,” many persons with some Amerindian ancestry were considered Españoles. Españoles were one of the three original “races,” the other two being Amerindians and Blacks. Both immigrant and American-born Españoles generally shared the same rights and privileges, although there were a few cases in which the law differentiated between them.[14] For example, it became customary in some municipal councils for the office of alcalde to alternate between a European and an American. Spaniards were therefore divided into:

      Peninsulares (Spaniards)

      Persons of Spanish descent born in Spain (i.e., from the Iberian Peninsula, hence their name). Generally, there were two groups of Peninsulares. The first group includes those that were appointed to important jobs in the government, the army and the Catholic Church by the Crown. This system was intended to perpetuate the ties of the governing elite to the Spanish crown. The theory was that an outsider should be appointed to rule over a certain society, therefore a New Spaniard would not be appointed Viceroy of New Spain. These officials usually had a long history of service to the Crown and moved around the Empire frequently. They usually did not live permanently in any one place in Latin America. The second group of Peninsulares did settle permanently in a specific region and came to associate with it. The first wave were the original settlers themselves, the Conquistadors, who essentially transformed themselves into lords of an area through their act of conquest. In the centuries after the Conquest, more Peninsulares continued to emigrate under different circumstances, usually for commercial reasons. Some even came as indentured servants to established Criollo families. Therefore, there were Peninsulares of all socioeconomic classes in America. Once they settled, they tended to form families, so Peninsulares and Criollos were united and divided by family ties and tensions.

      Criollos (Spanish Americans)

      A Spanish term meaning “native born and raised,” criollo historically was applied to both white and black non-indigenous persons born in the Americas. In the contemporary historical literature, the term usually means only people who in theory were of full direct Spanish ancestry, born in the Americas. In reality white Criollos could also have some native ancestry, but this would be disregarded for families who had maintained a certain status.[15]), As the second- or third-generation of Spanish families, some Criollos owned mines, ranches, or haciendas. Many of these were extremely wealthy and belonged to the high nobility of the Spanish Empire. Still, most were simply part of what could be termed the petite bourgeoisie or even outright poor. As life-long residents of America, they, like all other residents of these areas, often participated in contraband, since the traditional monopolies of Seville, and later Cádiz, could not supply all their trade needs. (They were more than occasionally aided by royal officials turning a blind eye to this activity). Criollos tended to be appointed to the lower-level government jobs[16]—they had sizable representation in the municipal councils—and with the sale of offices that began in the late 16th century, they gained access to the high-level posts, such as judges on the regional audiencias. The 19th-century wars of independence are often cast, then and now, as a struggle between Peninsulares and Criollos, but both groups can be found on both sides of the wars.

      De Mestizo y d’India; Coyote. Miguel Cabrera, 1763, oil on canvas, Waldo-Dentzel Art Center.

      Indios (Amerindians)

      The original inhabitants of the Americas and considered to be one of the three “pure races” in Spanish America, the law treated them as minors, and as such were to be protected by royal officials, but in reality were often abused by the local elites. After the initial conquest, the elites of the Inca, Aztec and other Amerindian states were assimilated into the Spanish nobility through intermarriage. The regional Native nobility, where it existed, was recognized and redefined along European standards by the Spanish and had to deal with the difficulty of existing in a colonial society, but it remained in place until independence. Amerindians could belong to any economic class depending on their personal wealth.[17][18]

      Mestizos (1/2 Amerindian & 1/2 Spanish)

      Persons with one Spanish parent and one Amerindian parent. The term was originally associated with illegitimacy because in the generations after the Conquest, mixed-race children born in wedlock were assigned either a simple Amerindian or Spanish identity, depending with which culture they were raised. (See Hyperdescent and Hypodescent.) The number of official Mestizos rises in censuses only after the second half of the 17th century, when a sizable and stable community of mixed-race people with no claims on being either Amerindian or Spanish appeared.

      Castizos (3/4 Spanish & 1/4 Amerindian)

      One of the many terms, like the ones below, used to describe people with varying degrees of racial mixture. In this case Castizos were people with one Mestizo parent and one Spanish parent. The children of a Castizo and a Spaniard, or a Castizo him- or herself, were often classified and accepted as a Criollo Spaniard.[15]

      Cholos (3/4 Amerindian & 1/4 Spanish)

      Persons with one Amerindian parent and one Mestizo parent.

      Mulattos (1/2 African & 1/2 Spanish)

      Persons of the first generation of a Spanish and Black/African ancestry. If they were born into slavery (that is their mother was a slave), they would be slaves, unless freed by their master or were manumitted. In popular parlance, mulato could also denote an individual of mixed African and Native American ancestry.[19] Further terms to describe other degrees of mixture included, among many others, Morisco, (not to be confused with the peninsular Morisco, from which the term was obviously borrowed) a person of Mulatto and Spanish parents, i.e., a quadroon, and Albino (derived from albino), a person of Morisco and Spanish parents, i.e., an octoroon.

      Zambos (1/2 Amerindian & 1/2 African)

      Persons who were of mixed Amerindian and Black ancestry. As with Mulattos, many other terms existed to describe the degree of mixture. These included Chino and Lobo. Chino usually described someone as having Mulatto and Amerindian parents. (Since there was some immigration from the Spanish East Indies during the colonial period, chino is often confused, even by contemporary historians, as a word for Asian peoples, which is the primary meaning of the word, but not usually in the context of the castas. Chino or china is still used in many Latin American countries as a term of endearment for a light-skinned person of African ancestry. Lobo could describe a person of Black and Amerindian parents (and therefore, a synonym for Zambo), as in the image gallery below, or someone of Amerindian and Torna atrás parents.

      Negros (Africans)

      With Spaniards and Amerindians, this was the third original “race” in this paradigm, but low on the social scale because of their association with slavery. These were people of full Sub-Saharan African descent. Many, especially among the first generation, were slaves, but there were sizable free-Black communities. Distinction was made between Blacks born in Africa (negros bozales) and therefore possibly less acculturated, Blacks born in the Iberian Peninsula (Black Ladinos), and Blacks born in the Indies, these sometimes referred to as negros criollos. Their low social status was enforced legally. They were prohibited by law from many positions, such as entering the priesthood, and their testimony in court was valued less than others. But they could join militias created especially for them. In contrast with the binary “one-drop rule”, which evolved in the late-19th-century United States, people of mixed-Black ancestry were recognized as multiple separate groups, as noted above. ”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castas

  33. Dipendra Chaudhry says

    Today, I happen to read your articles and checked this website…I appreciate the work that you have undertaken. In present times I feel that we do need some awareness about our rich cultural heritage and our religion. Our society has been disintegrating with this Foreign liking by the young generation. The politicians have caused a major damage to the country’s social setup. They have followed the British policy of divide and rule and even today they make it a point that the Hindus should not unite, it can be their selfish motives, vote bank politics and greed to remain in power. Their greed is doing the maximum damage.

    On top of that the media has played a very negative role. The heading of an article read” A Dalit beaten” in one of the leading newspapers. The message sounded as if some higher caste people have beaten him but on reading it further, found that two people from the same group had fought and one beat the other. But the media people also want to mint money. So most of the things in favor of Hindus are never published. Anything anti Hindu becomes the headlines for the next day.
    But anyways, we have to continue with our efforts and we will surely succeed.

    • Jay says

      Then you comment pointing out the deception if the article has a comment section. Today most reputable newspapers do. People need to speak up non-violently and frequently against such deliberate inflammatory language in daily newspapers meant to incite hatred against Hindus and Hinduism.

  34. Mission 2050 says

    Very good suggestions.I will request Hindu brothers to completely forget the caste-identity and think all the Hindus as only Hindu,ready to accept anyone from other religion to our fold without any second thought,ready to accept Muslim girls as our Bahu’s as it’s right and it also can be counter-strategy for Love-Jihad and of course,as Hindus we must treat Humanity with the most respect beyond any religion but loving our own religion and accept the scientific,modern suitable changes even respecting good parts of our culture.

  35. rammohan says

    mr.agniveer

    If you have time to read my message then well try to read “Revolution and counterRevolution of ancient india” by Dr.ambedkar which much criticize on “Bhagavadh geetha” and “manusmrithi” kindly reply me once you read this as i am so much confused on hinduism .

  36. Shrijith says

    @ agniveer
    my native place is kerala but residing in singapore. Recently only i came to read sathyartha prakash in malayalam translation. After i start to read more abt aryasamaj and i reached agniveer. Its really amazing website and now i have hope on a new hindu revolution. For achieving this our main barrier is cast systen . I dont think inter cast marriages only the solution bcos it takes may another 100 years. Why we hindus officially remove their cast from all certificas and govt (villages, panchayat) documents. I think we hindus dont fill the section of cast put that part NA. this way we can b a rolemodel and remove cast forever……

  37. says

    The problem is the brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya, shudra and chandala castes exists biologically apart from being a social construct also, exactly as the negroid and Caucasian races exist biologically. Even though all degrees of admixture exist, even though the frontier between castes and races is not so easily discriminated by a computer, these sub-entities of humankind do exist, there are archetypes you are more or less close to biologically and have biological consequences. The negroid archetype does exist and those who are closest from a bodily point of view also bear definite mental and emotional characteristics with a great statistical probability. Same thing with all five varnas which are determined by a dominant prana within the nervous system, and a corresponding psycho-pathological type the Western neurologists also classified in the same way without paying any respect to any traditional Indian lore. Denying the facts and trying to blur the biological categories by gene-mixing among others can only result in more oppressive inequalities to the benefit of a smaller and smaller negative de facto brahmin elite of pure deceivers and manipulators dominating confused impoverished masses : that can be seen in contemporary decadent America after segregation was theoretically abolished, and the most oppressive aspects of Indian caste society are to be ascribed more to the confusion later invaders like Muslims and Brits wanted to introduce so as to make the society more subservient, than to its original Indian form, and the harsh form of Indian caste system itself, with punishment-based education-denying apartheid against the poor castes, was instated by vaishya-sponsored dynasty, the Gupta’s. Capitalism is what makes the caste system oppressive, as was South African apartheid, not race or caste. Even though the genes are mixed, which can be a good thing sometimes as well as a not to be advised depending on each individual case (as can be seen among dogs or plants), the maternal ones are the ones that determine the group where the individual belongs first, and where he must start from before gradually evolving into something more depending on his will and mystical calling. In South Africa the open-faced domination of the Black multi-tribal society living in comfort-less primitive villages and compounds by Whites living in modern affluent cities was replaced by an occult domination of a confused Black impoverished and proletarianized society living in one gigantic open-sky shanty by a smaller elite of more privileged and secretive Whites living behind gated communities … exactly as India became under The Muslim and British Raj in the name of theoretical religious-based universalism. Return to forcible segregation is no solution either. The problem is not to build a society without caste or race, but without contempt of whatever pretext, real or imaginary. Caste and race identities should be definitely maintained, but in a milder and milder form allowing for less and less status-seeking and more and more freedom. There should be for instance White vaishya districts peopled with a majority of people being so but maybe 10-15% of others being there for curiosity of personal character idiosyncrasies. We can think of older Italy where each small town and district had a clear personality determined by history but not strictly reserved to people from the said tribes, and accepting perfect strangers now and then that were more interested in the district’s traditions proper than the regular inhabitants proper. Such a soft caste system helped the Italian people being more and more equalitarian and left-wing in numbers before the physical landscape was blurred by overall Americanization.

  38. Jayesh says

    Lets get out of the Brown Englishman mindset as pointed in previous posts Castus was an invading portugese xian concept to destroy Hindus The British took it further to blame bhramins and attack them another plot to destroy Hindus. Get out of this colonial mind set

  39. Indian Youth says

    To be honesy with you, if I were a Hindu, I will never try to clean up the mess of caste/ varna, what ever. I will simple look for more democratic new religion and move on with the new religion. What is the need to revive or restore the complex and shameful and oldest religion -Hindu. You can believe in other religions and still be an Indian, and work in Indian military too, and watch Indian movies and Indian cricket. Got it, my dear thinkers of India? If your employer turned out to be nasty, what will a software engineer do? he will move on to another company.

    • Ankur says

      and that’s why you will NEVER achieve anything and will always be an “Naukar” for some one who pays you to achieve what he thinks is right.Got it my dear non thinker, BTW democratic religion ?? am sure you are a non thinker. :)

    • says

      It all depends on whether you are ‘owner’ or ‘slave’. Our posts are targeted towards the ‘owners’ alone. And why religion, a ‘slave mentality’ will make you apply the same logic in relations also and seek another mother, another father, another wife, another son, another daughter, another country, another everything at slightest sign of inconvenience. By the way, our analysis shows that despite all inefficiencies that may have cropped in, the oldest is still the best available option today.

    • Jay says

      So we see that missionaries are targeting Hindu youth. By posing as a “Indian Youth” what they want is for young Hindus to turn away from Hinduism and convert to which ever faith they are preaching which usually is either Christianity or Islam – neither of which was historically democratic, neither of which is truly tolerant of differences whether it be other religions or sects. They cannot even stop killing people within their own faith but from different sects. Christianity went through some reformation, and Western people today’s main criticism of Islam is that is has not gone through a reformation yet which is why Islam is more like the way Christianity used to be with the violence before reformation. When they say this it actually is in defense of Islam asking for people to be patient with Islam as it has not gone through a reformation yet. Yet missionaries do not want Hindu youth to be a part of Hindu revival even though Christians did not give up on reforming Christianity.

      Missionaries don’t want Hinduism to be strong and don’t want Hindu youth to be a part of that revival and remain in their own ancestral faith but convert to theirs which they will shamelessly promote. Both the goal of Christianity and Islam is to wipe out all other faiths in the world and make the whole world Christian or Muslim. What is democratic or tolerant about that? Nothing.

  40. Indian Youth says

    In the eyes of God, everyone is equal. No matter you are a thinker, or younger, or poor. And a truth may come from a thinker or non-thinker. A true thinker humbles himself or herself like Gandhi or Buddha and mingles with all. You misread my comment. Also, you mistakenly brought comparison with other religions. I did NOT endorse any religion – Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism etc. Once you attain 19 years, you should have ability to choose your partner. So also, let each youth decide which religion is more helpful in his/her spiritual journey. A religion should do many kinds of helps to the follower and mankind. Democratic approach is one kind of help. For instance God can speak only Punjabi, Pali or Hebrew or Urdu is undemocratic. God must listen to people of all dialects. Christian groups failed to convert in India, unlike in other countries. Look at the statistics. It just does NOT work out in India. Hindus or Muslims or Sheiks have no organized groups for conversion. Buddhists have some groups. But they don’t know, first of all, what their religion is upto, with respect to expanding or marketing. Some Buddhist find no difference from Hindu in India. No matter what Christian groups or madrasa try, they can NOT convert Hindu people. Look at the statistics since 1947. They can NOT. But Kings can do that. Look at statistics prior to 1947. Even King Asoka made Buddhism possible. So also, many kings in olden days. So, Kings can do. In modern days, we do NOT have kings. King’s main duty is financial/economic management. So, we have Financial Kings today. But our financial leaders have nothing to do with religion today. May be they will soon enter cricket business or bollywood business. Yes, EVERY religion has some bad history, including Hindu. Just because other religions are bad, you can NOT ask Hindu youth to remain Hindu. They may invent a new form of worship or faith. Who knows? Or they may end up with small smooth stone when all stones are rotten. If husband turns out to be jerk, then wife should have an option, free choice. You can NOT force her to live with him, just by saying she can NOT financially live without him or all men are equally jerks. She should live with her free will consent. Religion is a delicate bond with God. People give all that they have if they truly believe, no matter what is their position, popularity, or status. Mr. Agniveer, you seem to be a good scholar to me. My advice is never stop listening to others (even if they are poor or young or uneducated). Also, never stop keep trying on the ideas you truly believe. And my favorite one is – never leave your path of non-violence and democratic approach. People may follow you over a period of time. Have to wait and see. Do NOT forget, this is India. Most of the population is non-thinkers, just like me.

    • Praveen says

      @ Indian Youth – Let me make it clear. Hinduism is not a religion. Its just like british did not know how to spell Jai Kishan so they spelled it Jackson. Same way there is not word in english which can describe Hinduism so they coined and matched it to the word “Religion”. Infact, Hinduism is Sanskriti(how to grow up in this world in the best way) and Sanatan is Dharma(how to live best without causing trouble to other living creatures on the planet). DHARMA NOT EQUAL TO RELIGION(English word).

    • Atheist_Hindu says

      The very first sentence in the article read:

      “That Dalits are not even allowed entry into temples in some pockets of Gujarat has not stopped the Narendra Modi government from coming up with the revolutionary idea of training ‘safai kamdars’ or manual scavengers in karma-kand (Hindu religious rituals).”

      Now, this is called “leapfrogging”. Knowing that the dalits are often restricted or totally banned from visiting certain temples, the Govt. has decided to turn those unlucky ones into knowledgeable pandits in their own right, so that they may never be deprived of a chance to read, understand and propagate the timeless and glorious Vedas.

      Instead of promulgating useless ordinances against caste-ism (it is a known fact that merely enforcing laws will not force people to change their twisted mentalities), it is better to wean the dalits away from the dogmatic non-sense of Puranic Hinduism and induct those bereaved souls into the true Vedic path, which insists that temples not be built in the first place, as these are an utter waste of resources (the Omnipresent Lord doesn’t require houses for himself on this Earth to get protection from the elements) and also because these are places from where the Brahminical order can easily inflict damage over Hindu society by using the weapons of caste, sect, cult, rituals, superstitions etc.

      • Praveen says

        CASTE SYSTEM and ITS BENEFITS
        Why some mangoes are treated high quality? You are insulting the low quality mangoes.
        Why reservation in trains for AC, 3-tier, 2-tier? You are insulting low earning people.
        Why physically handicapped not allowed in Army? You are insulting handicapped people.
        Why SCSTs reservation not allowed in medical?? You insulting them.
        Why why why this????
        Because you like to eat mangoes which are sweeter than others.
        Because you like to be comfortable in journey when compared to less hardworking class of people.
        Because hiring physically handicapped people in army will put Nation in danger.
        Because SCSTs reservation in medical will kill people. Lack of knowledge is dangerous.
        Hence there is classification of people in India based on their mental and physical deliverable. If you ignore caste system, you will see more and more trouble as its evident from present India.

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  42. Praveen says

    CASTE SYSTEM – A GIFT TO INDIA.
    CASTE SYSTEM and ITS BENEFITS (No shortcut to success)
    Why some mangoes(Hapus) are treated high quality? You are insulting the low quality mangoes.
    Why reservation in trains for AC, 3-tier, 2-tier? You are insulting low earning people.
    Why physically handicapped not allowed in Army? You are insulting handicapped people.
    Why SCSTs reservation not allowed in medical?? You are insulting them.
    Why don’t you enter Laboratory with slippers and shoes? Scientists inside lab are insulting you.
    Why there are Generals and Commanders in Army? You are insulting low rank officers.
    Why why why this????
    Because you like to eat mangoes which are sweeter than others.
    Because you like to be comfortable in journey when compared to less hardworking class of people.
    Because hiring physically handicapped people in army will put Nation in danger.
    Because SCSTs reservation in medical will kill people. Lack of knowledge is dangerous.
    Because rules are set by scientists in labs. Violating rules will not give proper results in experiment.
    Because low rank officers are not trained to handle the situation that may come. So classification in must.
    Hence there is classification of people in India based on their mental and physical deliverable. If you ignore caste system, you will see more and more trouble as its evident from present India.

    • Arun says

      I don’t think you understand that Caste is not in the Vedas. Only non-hereditary Varna is. The confusion arises because of the foreign word caste. This is a good example as to why the the Portuguese derived word “Caste” should NOT be used to describe Indian concepts. It mixes several different concepts onto one. First this is what the Portuguese word caste originally referred to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta
      Caste had nothing to do with India or with Hinduism. It described a social system under Portuguese colonialism in the Americas. Only after the Portuguese and English colonized India did the European word Caste get projected incorrectly onto India and Hinduism. In Hinduism in the Vedas there is only non-hereditary Varna (Brahmin, Kshastriya, Vaisha, Sudra) which was merely a way to categorize all jobs into one of these four. Each had their role and unique AND VALUED place in society. In the West there are jobs that are classified – white collar, blue collar jobs, managerial, clerical, etc. Similar jobs lumped together. Jati is community and it is birth based. There are countless communities and each has their own traditions, languages, cultures etc…. Just like you find all over the world – multicultural communities. So far there is absolutely nothing wrong with either Varna or Jati. Economic class is another factor (this is global), and the key thing here is that having a range of economic class is fine when fiscal mobility is possible. Hereditary class status is again something else, and wherever you find royalty and aristocracy (England, other parts of Europe, Middle East, Asia ) you have inherited class status. It is this latter inherited class status which is wrong and problematic. Inherited class status must go. Non-hereditary Varna, Jati/community, and fluid economic class are just fine.

  43. Praveen says

    Agniveer.com did not find vedas – the first texts. Then you are first???? Agniveer.com came first on the planet???

    • Arun says

      Agniveer is saying that the VEDAS ARE the first texts. Vedas ARE first. You misunderstood his sentence. This is the whole sentence “Agniveer did not find Vedas – the first texts – to contain any support for such ridiculous unverifiable conjectures.”

      He is saying the first texts of Hinduism, the Vedas, does NOT support a birth based hierarchical system

  44. Praveen says

    This article is totally misleading Hindus as if this website was the first to see the sun and first to come on the planet.

    • dogra says

      Praveen, this website is not misleading, and reconciles to primal points in Hinduism:

      1) Moksha-merging with god so to speak, but only if you lead a noble or dharmic life ie accepting all people view each person as spiritually equal
      2) God residing in hearts of all beings
      3) Karma Yoga-working without attachment to the fruits of the action ie selfless service.

      iT RECONCILES simple as a,b,c 1+1=2 = Agniveer

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  48. dogra says

    Agniveerji,

    Hindu Forum for Britain and Alliance of Hindu organisations UK, are against this caste cultural nonsense.
    Any discriminatin and no Moksha, this is not difficult.

    B. GIta 5.18 Lord Krishna advises to view differnt people with equal eye.

  49. says

    Dear Editor,

    You are doing a great job for Vedic heritage and talking about religion to promote Muslim or Christian in the background. The Dharma is duty in the life of an Vedic Indian it can not be compared with faith,
    The man is responsible for his own actions, and to follow ethics in life is his own duty. He is free to accept any God in any form or may not accept any God, it is freedom of faith in India. The faith is blind but duty is in front of his eyes as natural gift, which will punish or reward for his good or bad deeds with new life.

    It is Vedic heritage, the natural phenomena have been described in anthropomorphic manner in human form. It has misinterpreted by the anti Indians.
    Once in the history Vedic culture was all over the world and enlightened the world.
    We have been saved due to caste system, during slavery of more than one thousand years, if we were having any religion like ‘Hindu’, we all may not have survived from brutal conversion. They were unable to convert caste, hence British have given freedom to destroy first the caste system on the name of reservation.

    With regards
    Dr.Chandra P. Trivedi

  50. says

    The Vedic message,
    The caste is hereditary life principle. The religions are based on faith and superstition, to call ‘Hindu’ as Vedic religion is ignorance of the fact’
    The Brahaman, Kshatriya, Vaishya are class as per mental ability,and not the caste, All are born as ‘Shudra’ ignorant of knowledge with birth, after acquiring knowledge they serve the society as per their mental ability.

    To unite all in one religion, like Christian or Muslim is British and Muslim conspiracy to divide India on the name of the so called ‘Hindu religion.’ Due to caste system and classification of class ‘Varna’ they could not v

    The word; Voice is vital force of Life Consciousness
    When the wind blows, and river flows, it sings, when seed burst into life, it makes music, when child take birth, he cry, it is nature’s music and language. The Vedas preserved over the centuries with its musical tones from generation to generation, it explore the secret of creation that each generation is new, but the voice is immortal, which follow the mankind from generation to generation with new birth.
    I saw the Herdsman, him who never resteth, approaching and departing on his pathway.
    He clothed in gathered and diffusive splendour, within the worlds continually travels.
    10-177-1 to 3
    The Life is the dynamic combination of sense organs, and its executing faculties mind and brain. It is conscious principle between the life and death. The body is the seat of sacrifice to execute the functions of life, where life appears in different forms with different bodies with different mentality and fate in the ocean of life.
    The thought waves compress the men from all sides, and he speaks in assembly of life. The body with sense organs beholds the thought mentality adorned to body with a specific wave length of voice. At micro level the thought prevailing in the atmosphere influence it.
    The thought mentality never rest, it travel continuously and appears with life and execute its functions and disappear with de

  51. jalwan says

    none superior or inferior,all strike brothers for glory n prowess(rig ved 5:60:5) make the world noble place for entire human race for everyone is divine child.(rig ved10:13:1) don’t think,speak n act ill if so none shall accept n negative energy u created will return to u . none is high r low . if u say some one low he does not accept that returns to u stating u r low ,u feel irritated even strat abusing that mean u gone made ,u lost ur peace,u r not happy. narender mody, sardar vallabhbhai patel, subhsh c bose, vivekanand all sudras. sudra having son from brahman female shall be chandal though half brahman lower to his son from akshtriya female called khatri half akshtriya(manusmarti) sudra balmiki wrote hundu religion holy book ramayana n vedas bhagwat geeta upnisads etc hindu religion holy scriptures were written by vyas s/o sudra fisherwoman greatest constitution in the world written by sudra baba saheb dr ambedkar. rashtra pita ghandhi born in 1969 after matriclation good in english poor in math av geo bad handwriting was married at age of 14 lost one year becoz of marrige was allowed to go to uk for higher studies by brahmin guru with conditions. on passing bar at law gone to south africa where throwen out of 1st class compartment by white man despite he had valid ticket came to india in 1916 at age of47 years to join congress (established in 1885)under leadership of balgangadhar tilak was killed in 1948 by nathuram godse in the begning was supporter of casteism shifted his stand on serious opposition of casteism by baba saheb who asked gandi when hindu shall free dalits in secound round table confrence in 1930 in which regard to asses the position of dalits simon commission visiting india was bycotted indicative of meaness of mentality of caste hindus n their leaders n their grand children even on ur web sight still agaist any welfare of dalits. leave aside 27 crore dalits u tell ppl brahman akshtriya vaish sudra r placed horizontally or vertically

  52. Jagjit says

    Agree with all your solutions. However I have a certain modification to make. If you believe in what you have written and are genuinely interested in bringing change, why don’t you start by changing your surname to Bharti, Anand, Gautam, Kamble, Khobragade etc, and through your website asking people to change to such surnames ? It would be quicker and you could start off immediately and over time there would be no difference. The collateral advantage would a message that you don’t consider any ignominy attached with these surnames and are practising what you are preaching.

    • Krishnarama says

      This is really good.. We have people seeing the problem now and looking for solutions this is really great. Another name that would be good is Singh.

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