- Dr Zakir Naik’s fraud exposed
- Zakir Bhai, MBBS defends Halal meat – Answering Zakir Naik
- Why Muslims hate Zakir Naik so much?
- Test of secularism for Zakir Naik
- Zakir Naik – the mentor of terrorists
- Science and Zakir Naik
Islam definitely means ‘peace’ in Arabic. However fake Islamic representatives like Zakir Bhai, MBBS (Dr Zakir Naik) are bent on proving the contrary. We have already seen how Dr Zakir Naik, who claims to be a Wahabi, is actually a Qadiyani with an agenda of his own. (Refer the expose on his fraud writings).
It is not a surprise that the world sees a brutal history in Islam, if people like Dr Zakir Naik continue to remain its representative. We shall not dwell into the historical part, but would review another extract from a book claimed to be written by Dr Zakir Abdul Karim Naik – ” Answer to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions About Islam”.
I am not sure from where Dr Zakir Naik has lifted the material for this book, now that we already know that all he does is to copy-paste from previous books from copyrighted Qadiyani sources without acknowledging the author (since Qadiyanis are considered non-Muslims by most Muslims especially Wahabis)
But very honestly, if one replaces Dr Zakir Naik’s name with some other non-Muslim name, this books appears to be a book of dark humor to humiliate Islam written by an enemy of Islam. When I first got the copy of the book, I thought it was created by an anti-Muslim to denigrate Islam and Zakir Bhai, MBBS. But when I searched on internet and found this to be actually written to promote Islam, I was shocked!
But now that we know the hidden agenda of Zakir Bhai, MBBS, I would request my Muslim brothers and sisters to ensure they are not sharing this book “Answer to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions About Islam” and promoting defamation of Islam – which means peace.
We have already briefly seen how Zakir Bhai, MBBS has made mockery of Islam by giving funny reasons to justify polygamy in this post.
In present post, we shall discuss another topic from “Answer to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions About Islam” and see why with friends like Zakir Bhai, MBBS, who needs enemies.
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EATING NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD (Page 18-21)
Dr Naik starts with usual details of ayats from Quran permitting non-vegetarian food and stating that even a vegetarian can be a Muslim. Then he goes to discuss typical health benefits of non-vegetarian food which have been debated and contested for long. We shall not dwell into those and recommend to go through a variety of resources available on internet.
(The purpose of this article is not to debate vegetarian food vs non-vegetarian food, but to see how Dr Zakir Naik is humiliating Islam).
Suddenly Dr. Zakir Naik gets bizarre. He claims, “One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.”
(Comment:
1. I am sure Zakir Bhai, MBBS who claims to be an MBBS knows at least that there are large number of vegetarian food that require tearing and hence use of pointed teeth (canines). A simple example is sugarcane. In fact almost all vegetarian food that are hard require use of pointed teeth!
2. The pointed teeth (canine) in humans are not as large and pointed as in case of carnivorous animals. In humans, they are of same size as other teeth. In fact, it is the vegetarians who give this argument to justify vegetarianism!
3. Thus I am not sure if Zakir Bhai, MBBS actually wrote this to support Islamic non-vegetarianism or make of mockery of it)
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He goes further berserk and states, “If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?”
(Comment:
1. I now sincerely doubt if Zakir Bhai, MBBS is an MBBS in first place. Maybe he followed Munna Bhai is getting the degree. Or perhaps he does not check the content before copy-pasting. Or perhaps he is doing it deliberately, being a Qadiyani.
2. Our digestive system can digest even human flesh and blood. In fact many parts of human bodies can provide large amounts of nutrients. Does it mean we should start eating dead bodies instead of burying them and drinking their blood?
3. Even if humans eat their own excreta, the digestive system would process it one more time. Do we start eating that?
4. Now some followers of Zakir Bhai, MBBS have started quoting from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, to justify that even saliva is good for health!
See some examples:
” Muhammad used his saliva to soften a date, and then gave it to an infant to suck…(Sahih Bukhari, 25.5340, 5341, 5345)
When Anas’s son was born Muhammad fed him with dates mixed with his (Muhammad’s) saliva and gave him the name Abdullah…(Sahih Bukhari, 31.6013)
Muhammad’s saliva is good for children. He used to spit into the mouth of suckling children, and his saliva would satisfy them until nightfall…(Ash Shifa, p.184)
If a baby sucked Muhammad’s tongue, the baby became quiet…(Ash Shifa, p.184)
He gave al‑Hasan and al‑Husayn his tongue to suck. They had been weeping from thirst and upon sucking Muhammad’s tongue they became quiet…(Ash Shifa, p.184)
People rubbed Muhammad’s spittle on their faces…(Ash Shifa, p.237)
Muhammad recommended that you can spit on your cloth and then fold it and rub it…(Sahih Muslim, 4.1121)
Spit three times to the left when someone questions who created Allah…(ibn Ishaq, p.270) “
So perhaps, Zakir Bhai, MBBS is soon going start suggesting consumption of each others’ saliva on same set of arguments and proofs from Hadiths, as he does to support non-vegetarianism! Or maybe selling his saliva along with his books, on same logic that he is using to justify meat here.)
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Zakir Bhai, MBBS goes further beyond senses when he starts quoting from Hindu Scriptures that they contain permission to eat a variety of meat. He says:“There are many Hindus who are strictly vegetarian. They think it is against their religion to consume non-vegetarian food. But the true fact is that the Hindu scriptures permit a person to have meat. The scriptures mention Hindu sages and saints consuming non-vegetarian food.” He goes on to cite evidences from Hindu Scriptures – Manu Smriti and Mahabharat.”
(Comment:
1. I do not understand why suddenly Hindu scriptures emerge in a book on Muslims. Its a common theme in his copy-pasted plagiarized material that in a ‘research’ on Hinduism, he would quote more from Quran and Hadiths; and in a ‘research’ on Islam, he would quote from Hindu texts!
Perhaps because, being a Qadiyani he believes that Hinduism is the oldest religion and Islam is only a revision! But then what about his Wahabi claim?
2. With regards to Manu Smriti, it clearly prohibits meat in 5.51 which says: “Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that meat and those who eat are all murderers.”
Its an open fact that almost half of Manu Smriti is either adulterated or misinterpreted. That is why no Brahmin involved in rituals ever resorts to meat-eating. If indeed Manu Smriti allowed meat-eating, Brahmins would have been the biggest meat-eating class in India! One should refer to Manusmriti by Dr Surendra Kumar available from http://www.vedicbooks.com to evaluate this in detail.
3. The Mahabharat evidence is also irrelevant because Mahabharat is not considered an authentic scripture in matters of Dharma in Hinduism. Mahabharat itself states in Shantiparva 265.9.4:
“Suraa Matsyaa Pashormaasam Aasavam Krisharoudanam
Dhurtaih Prvartitam Yajne Naitad Vedeshu Vidyate
Avyavasthitamaryaadaeh Vimudhairnaastikaeh Naraeh
Sanshayaatmabhiravyaktaih Hinsaa Samanuvarnitaa”
Meaning: Alcohol-drinking, Fish, Meat eating, aasava consumption – these are not present in Vedas. These have been propagated by fraud people. They have fraudulently added these uncontrolled, reckless, atheist descriptions in our texts.
Further Mahabharat states “Mansaharinah Kuto Daya” – How can you expect compassion from a meat-eater!
The only authoritative text for Hinduism is The Vedas. So if one has to prove meat-eating, he has to show it in the Vedas. And for Vedas, refer to http://agniveer.com/vedas/no-beef-in-vedas/ to see beyond doubt that Vedas severely condemn meat-eating.)
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In next point, Dr Naik claims that Hindus adopted vegetarianism from Jains!
(Comment:
1. How is this point relevant in a book explaining logic of Muslim practices is best known to Zakir Bhai, MBBS.
2. Hindus and Jains both have origin from same basic humanistic ideology as presented in Vedas. The traits of Dharma as presented by both is almost similar. Jains are an integrated part of the society that is nowadays called Hindu. Zakir Bhai, MBBS’ attempts to deliberately create differences between them by providing statements out of context is utterly deplorable.
3. Or perhaps he is trying to feed his Qadiyani agenda!)
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Next he goes on to prove that Plants also have life and that Plants also feel pain. He states:
“If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian….There was research done by a farmer in U.S.A. who invented an instrument which converted the cry of the plant so that it could be heard by human beings. He was able to realize immediately when the plant itself cried for water. Latest researches show that the plants can even feel happy and sad. It can also cry.”
(Comment:
1. Look at the source of research of Zakir Bhai, MBBS: a FARMER in USA! No scientist, institution, or university, but a farmer best known only to Zakir Bhai MBBS! What more one needs to see if he is defending or defaming Islam!
2. No such research has ever been conducted, nor it is possible to conduct. While researches have been done to establish similar electrochemical and biochemical reactions in plants as in animals, there is nothing to suggest that plants cry or feel pain. Opinion is divided among theists on whether plants have soul or not, but all agree that plants do not feel pain in the manner animals feels.
3. Incidentally, all Muslims are not as fanatic as Zakir Bhai, MBBS would want the world to believe. There is a growing population of Islamic vegetarians who interpret the Quran to justify vegetarianism. Many among them refuse to consider the Quran in current form as final word of Allah and are much progressive. Some even believe that part of Quran is correct and the rest is adulterated or misquoted by followers of Prophet Muhammad to present an Islam which is completely against the true concept of Islam. Some are approaching Vedas to understand original Dharma. We shall discuss the views of these rational Muslims who submit to reason in another article.
But here, let me reproduce reply to Zakir Bhai, MBBS by a leading Muslim vegetarians society (http://islamveg.com):
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Do Plants Feel Pain?
Some Muslims have been misled by Internet discussions indicating that plants feel pain. This argument is used by those who wish to justify their meat consumption by claiming that because both plants and animals feel pain, there is no ethical or religious difference between killing plants for food and killing animals for food.
Not Taking “Life”
One argument begins by explaining that plants have “life,” presumably just the same as animals and humans, and thus, this argument claims that one cannot avoid taking life simply by consuming plant foods. The concept of life used in this argument is nebulous and general, and the argument does not make a moral or religious distinction between the life possessed by plants and that possessed by animals.
One author claims that if it were possible to eat a diet that did not involve taking life, he would adopt that diet immediately, but since, according to the author, a vegetarian diet also takes “life,” he states that he may as well carry on eating meat. In addition to the lack of clarification about the concept of life and the lack of distinction between animal life and plant life, the author failed to note that a diet that meets his criteria does exist. Many people follow a “fruitarian” diet, meaning that they eat fruits, some vegetables that have seeds, and nuts. Fruitarian diets do not require the taking of “life,” as plants produce fruits, seeds, and nuts so that they can be eaten. The plants neither suffer nor die to provide these foods. While we do not recommend this diet, it does meet this author’s criteria, and if the taking of “life” really is so important, this is the diet for him.
Supporters of this view of “life” also claim that since both plants and animals have life, it is better to take the life of one animal, who might feed 100 people, than to take the life of 100 or more plants to feed the same number of people. The fallacy of this argument will be investigated in more detail below.
Plants’ Inability to Feel Pain
Supporters of this theory also claim that plants feel pain and that one farmer used a device to “scientifically” catch the sounds of plants “crying out” and “screaming” in pain. They state that our limited range of hearing cannot pick up the “screams” of plants but that machines can. The truth is that plants, when stressed, release a chemical called ethylene. This chemical indicates that the plant needs to increase cell growth or take other measures against the perceived stressor. Scientists measured levels of ethylene released from stressed plants by “listening” to them using lasers until a certain frequency was measured. While this research shows that plants might have a stress-avoidance response, it is quite a stretch to refer to this as “pain.” It is even more erroneous to equate this response with the pain suffered by animals and human beings. Plants lack nerve endings, brains, hormones, and other structures that would allow them to experience pain. They also lack the ability to move away from sources of stress, an evolutionary trait linked with the ability to feel pain.
Even those who argue that plants feel pain and suffer should support a vegetarian diet because the number of plants that must be fed to an animal to produce enough meat for one human is greater than the number of plants required to feed that same human if he or she ate the plants directly. Meat-eaters are responsible for “killing” 10 times more plants than vegetarians, and they also kill and cause suffering to animals. The argument that plants feel pain and suffer and that killing them is as bad as killing animals is weak and illogical. Those who use this argument to justify their continued consumption of meat should attempt to approach the debate in a more logical, scientific manner.
Such claims have fooled many well-intentioned Muslims into perpetuating these falsehoods on the Internet. This is harmful to our Ummah, as it makes us appear ignorant and ill informed.
We ask that all Muslims who have put forward such unfounded claims remove these claims from their Web sites and other public forums and cease spreading these fictitious claims at conferences and debates. For more information regarding plants’ inability to feel pain, see Peter Singer’s Animal Liberation.”
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Zakir Bhai surges ahead in his mission to defame Islam by stating another peculiar reason: “If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.”
(Comments:
1. By now, one would have no doubts that Zakir Bhai, MBBS is merely cracking jokes on shoulders of Islam.
2. Despite his claims of MBBS, he seems to have no clues about natural ecological cycles that automatically takes care of overpopulation of certain breeds.
3. Most importantly, he conveniently ignores stating that there is already an overpopulation of cattle due to human demand for meat! Cattle are specifically reared for meat consumption who consume 4 times more resources than humans, and are way above natural limits as per ecological requirements.
4. Either Zakir Bhai, MBBS has given this argument because he did not read the material that he stole for his book, or he is on a mission to denigrate Islam. Because this again is a big argument in favor of vegetarianism, that meat-eaters cannot answer.)
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He ends up this section with a silly joke: “I do not mind if some people are pure vegetarians. However they should not condemn non-vegetarians as ruthless. In fact if all Indians become nonvegetarians then the present non-vegetarians would be losers since the prices of meat would rise.”
(Comment:
One cannot understand what he means by this statement. Is he defending vegetarians or non-vegetarians. The para is quite confusing, but one thing is clear – He is demeaning Islam in any case. Perhaps because being a Qadiyani, his vision of Islam is different from the more rational ones among Muslims.)
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Zakir Bhai, MBBS missed certain other arguments in favor of vegetarianism namely:
- environmental conservation in raising vegetarian food compared to animal food
- resource optimization by minimizing food resources used to feed cattle reared to feed humans
- feeding more people through vegetarian food that can feed at least 10 times more people
- plants can be regrown, animals cannot be
- the number of disease that non-veg foods make one vulnerable to
- etc etc.
You can visit any vegetarian site like ivu.org or PETA or http://www.ethicalvegetarian.com/arguments.html etc for more on this.
As I emphasized, the purpose of this article was not to get into veg vs non-veg debate, but show how Zakir Bhai MBBS uses this as a ploy to demean Islam.
I would however like to emphasize that Vedas, where Zakir Bhai sees the source of Prophet, strongly condemns any practice that is based on killing innocent creatures, degrading environment and wasting valuable resources.
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In next part of the article, he addresses the following issue:
ISLAMIC METHOD OF SLAUGHTERING ANIMALS APPEARS RUTHLESS (Page 22)
He explains the method and then provides following set of ridiculous arguments to justify it:
a. It is more hygienic
b. It keeps meat fresh for longer time
c. Animals do not feel pain
(Comments:
Instead of putting my personal views, I would like to share that it is the progressive Muslims of today who are demanding ban on meat and especially the form of Halal meat that Zakir Bhai is recommending. They have provided ample material to prove that this is an extremely loathsome method in current context and goes against teachings of original Quran of Prophet Muhammad (and not Zakir Bhai).
They deplore the fact that fake people like Dr Zakir Naik are claiming to be sole representatives of Islam and presenting a distorted Islam to world that makes lives of an average educated Muslim miserable.
Here are certain points from http://www.islamveg.com/halalmeat.asp which is dedicated to promoting Vegetarian Islam.
1. They quote from New Scientist, the premiere research journal on how Animals Feel the Pain of Muslim Slaughter: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17972-animals-feel-the-pain-of-religious-slaughter.html?full=true&print=true
2. They provide several reasons why so-called Halal meat is not actually Halal.
3. They claim that “Vegetarian foods and ingredients, not counting alcohol, are halal by nature. Eating vegetarian is the best and easiest way to ensure that you are keeping halal.”
I hope the Muslims misled by like of Zakir Bhai MBBS, would reject the fake Qadiyani, and embrace the rational approach of Vedas as welcomes by progressive Muslims. In Vedic approach, one does not kill innocent animals for taste-buds and hence the question of slaughter does not arise in first place.)
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The next topic he takes is
NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT (Page 23)
“Question:
Science tell us that whatever one eats, it has an effect on one’s behaviour. Why then, does Islam allow Muslims to eat non-vegetarian food, since eating of animals could make a person violent and ferocious?
Answer:
1. Only eating of herbivorous animals allowed I agree that, what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lion, tiger, leopard, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like cow, goat, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because Muslims are peace loving and non-violent people.”
He then goes on to quote from Quran and Hadiths on the kind of meat that is haram and halal based on whether the animal is peaceful or violent.
(Comment:
1. Nothing could be more obvious can this concluding part of the topic of food, on true motives of Zakir Bhai, MBBS. He is simply writing all this to ridicule Islam on pretext of Veg-non-veg debate!
2. Let us analyze: First he admits that food has an impact on one’s behavior.
Next, he says that Muslims are peaceful because they eat peaceful animals. By this logic, why are not carnivorous animals also considered peaceful? After all a carnivorous animal like lion, tiger or leopard also eats docile animals like Muslims. So either one considers lion, tiger etc also to be peaceful like Muslims or should consider Muslims to be violent and ferocious like carnivorous animals.
3. And if we consider carnivorous animals to be peaceful because they eat same food as Muslims, then Quran should not prohibit eating of carnivorous animals also. Because it is hence proved that even carnivorous animals are peaceful and Muslims are permitted to eat peaceful animals!
4. Going further, even eating of peaceful humans should be justified because eating peaceful humans will make one loving and non-violent!
5. Zakir Bhai is perhaps creating grounds for defense of terrorists who kill innocent people. He would thus argue in court, “These terrorists are peace loving and non-violent people because they kill peaceful and docile people!”)
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Muslims, especially followers of Zakir Bhai, MBBS should introspect and decide if they can afford to allow fake scholars like him to continue to be representative of Islam. If yes, Muslims are bound to face ridicule and humiliation. If not, they should promote more progressive Muslim movements, who evaluate Islam more rationally.
I was happy to listen to Abdullah Tariq, eminent Muslim scholar from Rampur who admits that true Islam is based on foundation of Vedas. I would welcome the rational and peace-loving Muslims to take this progress further and return back to the roots of Vedas, their original source.
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If Non-veg is not consumable…..why all governments of all countries … all over the World….not banning..?
So it is OK. what Zakir Naik said….
Just because everyone is doing it doesn't make a wrong to be right. Look back at the scriptures as Zakir Bhai always says and don't look at what the follower do
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Studies conducted says, human beings can be classified in to opportunistic meat eaters group……
If we observe the primates peculiar behaviour like monkeys, chimpanzees, they are ofcourse herbivorous most of the time & very rarely might consume some insects, termites & small birds. This is done ocassionally, and their behaviour is quite spontaneous. Human beings also do come under this category, as they have this taste for meat not too often. As point of matter, the human digestive system is neither too well equipped to digest the raw meat, nor can it digest the raw vegetables & grass & can only digest cooked food. So I would recommend humans to stay on 'veg food' for the most of the times & may ocassionally go for a small amount of 'meat' diet.
Zakir Naik's 'canine teeth' ( approximately 3 – 4 inches) & 'paws' ( with claws ) of carnivorous animals, comparable with the human canines ( approximately quarter inch ) & palms is simply incomparable, as some mammals like 'elephants' & 'Hippos' have canines ( tusks), which are enough long & modified and are not used for tearing flesh. They are just used for intimidating other males in the territory & attract more number of females for mating purpose. Their paws ( feet ) are just used for walking & running alone…
This idea of classification of human beings somewhat near to other carnivorous animals came from the 'Jewish torah' which was adopted by the later 'Quran'.
in srimad bhagvatam canto 12 ch 1 . kaliyuga is described. it is written that in this age of kali the government will cheat the society and the foolish people will be cheated.
U can be a VERY GOOD MUSLIM while being vegetarian. The Quran does not compel to be non veg to be Muslim.
Moreover, the word ‘ISLAM’ is derived from the word ‘slm’ meaning ‘SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF GOD’.
Namaste Alaisha
Can you refuse to offer Qurbani on Bakr Eid?
The issue is not whether non-veg is consumable or not. The issue is how Zakir Bhai MBBS uses this debate as a ploy to defame Islam. He could have chosen to remain silent or provide more serious arguments than flimsy logics which make Muslims a laughing stock.
Just imagine someone saying that he is peaceful because he kills peaceful creatures or that a farmer listened cries of a plant etc etc! Perhaps he has an agenda of his own motivated by his Qadiyani background.
Actually scientific experiments have shown that plants do react to stimuli, eg. cutting, burning, pressure. These reactions have to be measured on instruments that are very sensitive. There's a good book 'The Secret Life of Plants" that document some revealing experiments. Actually a great Indian scientist, Sir Jagdish Chandra Bose, was one of the first to experiment on plants.
Anyway their level of pain is so minimal as compared to animals that Naik's argument is ridiculous. We should live our live with the aim to commit the least amount of suffering/pain to others. Most veg food is taken from the plant without killing it, or as in the case of root veg or grains, when the plant has reached the end of their natural life anyway.
The benefits to vegetarian lifestyle far far outweighs a meat eating lifestyle.
Dear Sister, As I said I did not want to get into veg vs non-veg debate in this article. However, the kind of life that scientists like Dr Bose had proven is more of complex chemical reaction.
However, the definition of life from 'existence of soul' perspective refers to certain other traits including capability of choice and efforts, ability to think etc which plants completely lack. Incidentally Dr Bose also proved that metals demonstrate similar response to stimuli.
I would also shy away from claiming that veg lifestyle is better than meat -eating for purpose of this article because the subject is different here. However giving flawed arguments to kill innocent animals who clearly feel same or more pain than humans, and that causes health and environmental hazards, enormous wastage of resources etc, is not mark of a rational person or truth-seeker.
Hi Amina,
The point here is all the living species feel pain & express their feelings in different way.. But in nature, most of the plant species doesnt have the following features which animal species have.
1) Animals have this mobility feature, which is used to search for food, to defend itself from the predators, which are clear signs. If we try to kill any hen, sheep or goat without tying it, or holding firmly they simply try to escape to save their lives.
But the same we will not find with plants. Also some plants have defence mechanisms like being toxic or secreting chemicals, growing thorns to avoid the herbivorous animals / insects from eating it.
But most of the vegetables / fruits lack this feature, as if to become food for other animal species, & the seeds are carried by them to distant fertile grounds & deposited to allow further growth & expansion of that particular species( Its a two way benefit).
Since humans are rational beings, it is appropriate to study the pros & cons of all these natural secrets, they have to act judiciously to maintain the perfect balance of nature's food cycle..
Second thing is size does matter. Microscopic organisms are killed every seconds, while breathing by humans. But that doesnt make us culprits, as our act of breathing is not intended to consume the micro-organisms. Even while slaughtering small animals like birds will not cause that much distress, as while killing a big cow or a camel, because we can see the gush of blood & the suffering of such big animals taking 10 – 15 min just to die & the visual impact which has on our psyche is also too much of bad effect.
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Vegeterianism
Bija or germ is the subtlest form of this universe. According to Purusha Suktha, the sublime vedic song, one fourth of the ‘Supreme Person’ has become this manifest world and the rest is unmanifest maintaining its essential status. Thus the divinity and purity of the phenomenal world is unquestionable. It should not be lowered when passing through media. The function of the mind is vital behind the concept of purity and impurity. The primordial concept of this universe being divine and pure, the germ or Bija forming out of food has its original halo around it. As the germ develops into the Gigantic mass of the Universe every care must be taken to justify the purified concept of the germ. Again Purusha Sukta explains that the Supreme Purusha, the manifest reality behind the cosmic world has infinite heads, eyes and legs. What are these infinite organs other than those beings ranging from the lowest to the highest level. If we lay hand on any live substance for our physical maintenance, we are cutting off one of the organs of the Supreme Purusha of whom we are also made. This being the truth, origin of the nature is not materialistic. We can connect the concept of Yoga with the different stages of development. Spirit is not essentially different from matter. Hence proceeds the divinity of life and the concept of non-violence (Ahimsa). Hence it is the sanction of Vegetarianism, which purify each organ of the universe through the agency of the Human body. Human beings alone are capable of higher understanding and realisation. Balancing purity in the body through vegetables leads to the balanced purity in the mechanism of the universe. It is proved that the vegetable world also manifests life. But it is ‘Thamasic’ in character, ie., inactive and a vegetarian has traversed three or four subtler regions in the spiritual life than the non-vegetarian. That plants are sensitive to music, capable of feeling etc., is at present a proven fact. But their developing anything to organic expression or mind-stuff is not yet supported by evidence. The ‘thamasic’ nature of the vegetable world may be confirmed. Plants have to traverse countless regions to assert in the realm of spirituality. The spiritual mechanism of the world is relevant when the cosmic person is described as having indefinite heads, arms and legs. The energy overflowing from the supreme God-head is supporting every limb and movement in the universe. Any attempt to explain away the world by the application of material science is fatal to the spiritual goal of man. The Yogi discards even dry leaves wholly depends on the intake of air. ‘Swayam Visheernadrumaparnavrttiha Para hi Kashta Thapasa’. The supreme stage of penance consists in the eating of leaves dropping from the trees on their own. This quotation is from ‘Kumara Sambhavam’ of Kalidasa.
Philosophy Behind Vegetarianism
Vegetarianism is not merely a code of eating habits. There is a grand philosophy behind it which demands deeper understanding. Vegetarian food can develop the finer structure of the mind which is helpful in the realisation of the final end of humanity. The capacity of the mind to grasp purer ideas and develop on subtler lines is amply increased by the intake of Satvic food. The mind itself is the reflected experience of life in the body. Purity of the mind depends on the purity of the body also. Hence the relevance of Satvic food is implied. The mind grows steadfast and is never shaken by evil impulses. The relation of the mind to the cosmic purpose of creation is evident from the following paragraph. Indian philosophy attempts to reconcile every movement in the world with the cosmic purpose. Not a single element is relegated to the background. ‘Annat Bhavanti Bhootani’.
Status of the Animal World
All forms of life, as integral parts of nature, must be respected. Indian religious system insists on the recognition of the sub-human levels of existence. An appreciation of all forms of life is essential to transcend the domain of nature. In our metaphysical quest as such, we may respect the laws of nature and pass calmly through her. Eating of meat is violation of nature and leads to the degeneration of human nature. The animal world has also to be preserved to serve the divine purpose behind creation. Imbalance in nature is never in favour of the preservation of the world.
Life on the Watery Level
Plants and shrubs are of more watery content than the animals. Pain is absent on the watery level. The vegetable world is more serene and nobler that a moderate consumption of vegetables does not send acute pain through the inner and subtler region. The concept of causal waters (Karan Jalam) is a dominant factor. All the pain and agony of phenomenal existence is ultimately merged into the primordial waters at the phase of total dissolution. This dissolute waters turns into life waters at the beginning of creation, out of which is projected the different stages of the created world. The all embracing power of the causal waters also sends its pure force through the vegetable world. At the time of creation space is issued out of the principle of ‘Ahamkara’ (ego). Air proceeds from space, Fire from Air, Water from Fire and finally Earth from Water. This process favours the concept of the self-same base, the primal substratum of the universe. Space gives rise to the quality of Sound, Air to Touch, Fire to Form, Water to Taste and Earth to Smell. This is all described in the Bhagavatha Mahapurana. It is clear that water is a finer element than Earth. Man plucking and eating vegetables seldom disturbs the balanced state of the created world.
Man Not Carnivorous by Nature
The structure of the human body is not in favour of eating flesh. The sharp claws and the pointed teeth are remarkably absent in man. Carnivorous animals are endowed with suitable intestines, kidney and liver in order to support their meat eating habits. The small intestines in the carnivorous animals are conspicuously shorter and unbelievably lengthy in man. Even carnivorous animals eat the herbivorous ones not the carnivorous species. The herbivores feeding on herbs and shrubs are supported by nature and in turn helping the carnivores. Thus the herbal system (cyclic system of life remembered) serves as a living link between the herbivores and carnivores. The structure and function of the human organs are different and destined to be softened in the context of finer tastes and discrimination. Man is more resourceful in adjusting himself with any circumstance
Seasonal Varieties
The variegated seasonal yields of nature provide abundant foodstuff for man. The blessed nature cannot be depicted as a temptress. She, the empress of divine glory supports her progeny with the endless gifts of the Almighty. Man may not yield to momentous pleasures, forgetting his supreme position in the hierarchy of created beings.
Medicinal Value
The medicinal value of herbs and plants are well known. The Sanskrit word for herbs and plants is ‘Oushadhi’. ‘Oushadham’ made out ‘Oushadhi’ means medicine. Remedy for all known diseases can be found in nature, in the vegetable world. The vedas and the Upanishads contain clue to this. Rishis of ancient India who are the advocates of Ahimsa, are great physicians also. Nature cure is a recognised system of medicine in India and the rest of the world.
Bad Effect of Eating Flesh
Animals facing slaughter develop a chain of psychological infirmities. A serum forming out of fear would poison the blood and flesh of the killed animal. This acts as a negative force and is harmful to health. Part of life of the animal will be shattering through the skin pores of the body and the nature of fear accumulated in the process of killing and deposited on the flesh will never help a meat eater. Meat eating has a bad effect on the working of the mind. The chain of frustration and ultimate agony will disturb the subconscious level of the universal mind. The individual mind and the Universal mind are one and the same in the final analysis. Any excess of bad impressions is sure to upset the ideal balance of the total mind stuff. A part of bad impressions would get entangled with the mangled flesh of the slain animal, the earthy aspect dominating there. Moreover the negative force (Papa) of life would settle wherever the same frequency of thought waves is existent. As a result the killer and the eater will go degenerate in their subconscious levels. Scientists and doctors do not encourage the tendency to meat eating. Vegetables can provide the required substance for a healthy life.
All Passing Through the Medium of Vegetables
Animals ceasing from life, pass through the medium of vegetables. Plants grow on the ruins of dead animals. Thus all forms of life, disintegrating, are transformed into the five elements, the gross aspect sticking to the earth. According to the Adhyatma Ramayana (Kishkinda Kandam – Sampathi Vakyam) the Jiva, deprived of merit (Punya) falls down from heaven. It has a short life in the lunar world (the moon is the symbol of mind). Then continuing its course, the Jiva sprouts as rice plant on earth. Rice becomes food, semen and falls into the womb of woman. The life cycle ultimately depends on the medium of vegetables.
‘Jiva……ksheenapunya padatyarvaganichha Karmachoditha
Patitva mandale chendostato neeharasamyuta,
Bhoomau patitva vreehyadau tatra stitva chiram puna
Bhootva chaturvidham bhojyam purushai bhujyate tata
Reto bhootya punastena streeyoni samchita’
(Adhyatma Ramayana)
The concept of time in measuring the course of a Jiva is indefinable. Some moments in the higher celestial worlds are equal to millions of years on earth. There is an episode in the Bhagavatha Mahapurana. King Revata passed a few minutes with his daughter Revathi beside the seat of Lord Brahma in the Sathya Loka. The music that was going on, ceasing, the supreme Lord heard the prayers of the king. The perusal of the horoscope of Revathi graciously granting the Lord drove the king to the fact that twenty eight chaturyugas had already passed on earth since his departure from his earthly city. ( 28 x 12,000 x 360 human years ). The inscrutable play of time passes the understanding of the most refined mind. It is against such immeasurable and inconceivable background that the merit and defect of human beings tending to go vegetarian or non-vegetarian should be considered. Argument both ways is not advisable. This is not the plane of reason, but the plane of intuition
Spiritual Development
Although hinted at in the beginning of this essay, the spiritual relevance here demands serious understanding. Ahimsa and vegetarianism is the basic concept of Vidika Sanathana Dharma. Ahimsa is the primary equipment for spiritualism. ‘Ahimsa Paramo Dharma’. Ahimsa (non-violence) is a nobler concept than the so called olerance. Ahimsa aims at purity and balance, the satvic quality. Certain varieties of vegetables such as onion and garlic are predominantly rajasic and are avoided in a spiritual life. Thus ahimsa and vegetarianism are inseparably connected with the Sanathana Dharma. Also consider the selfless service, the vegetable world is rendering. The Sanathani conception prohibits taking food from selfish and impure agents. The innocent animals, mostly the object of man’s avarice, craving for their life are most selfish and form the most impure food when slaughtered. Here doctrine of Ahimsa should do justice to the animal world and declare its affinity with vegetarianism
Yajna Concept and Universal Mind
Yajna concept or service pattern of the of the vegetables is fundamental to the life system. ‘Sarvam Yajne Pratishtitham’. The green world makes the earth fit for life of the animal world ranging in variety from from the smallest unit of life to man. The vegetable and the animal regions are harmoniously interwoven into a single household. The distributory system of service in the cosmic pattern is meant to help each species to cross through its present status to a higher level. This process will continue without hurting any aspect of the universal life system. The balancing of Punya (merit) and Papa (defect) is possible through this mechanism. Punya can be defined as the positive force of life distributed in the physical system of the universe which helps to pass through all the barriers of worldly existence and culminates in the most purified form of life, rid of all Vasanas (instincts). The negative force of life absorbed by the life system unknowingly, owing to the impetus of the dominant force of the material world is called Papa which breeds relative and binding forces. The implied balance of Punya and Papa may not be disturbed. Selfless action arouses purified regions in the universal mind and is blessed and blessing. Selfish impulses have the same negative impact. Man, on account of his superior power for reasoning, is expected to maintain this Yajna concept of the nature and act as a conscious agent for the spiritual well-being of the world. Impact of the individual mind on the universal mind has already been asserted. This essay proposes to halt, inviting a reference to the well known experiment conducted under the sun. Certain young rabbits were separated from their mother, taken far away under the sun and killed. The psychological change over the mother rabbit was closely measured simultaneously. The convulsion and agony that overtook the mother was so remarkable that the subtler link connecting the feelings of two minds placed at distant places is baffling the intellect of man. The concept of Yajna that is manifest in the world serves the supreme divine purpose and finally rests on and merges into the supreme Brahman.
Annat Bhavanti Bhootani
Parjanyadannasambhava
Yajnat Bhavanti Parjanyo
Yajna Karmasamudbhava
Karma Brahmodbhavan Viddhi — ( Bhagavad Gita )
Who is this evil person assuming a Muslim name to insult Islamic faith.
"“One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.”
Very good question. By the same logic, one can ask "If Almighty God provided us the foreskin, it is logical that he considered it necessary for man to have it. Why would he ask us to circumcise?"
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zakir naik never claimed to be a wahhabi..
this is my first day on ur site.and this deliberate lie of urs has given very bad impression..
So Zakir Naik is not wahabi. Now tell me are Wahabis non-Muslim or Zakir Naik? By the way read Zakir Naik on <a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Islamic_sect_wahabi_vs_…” target=”_blank”>http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Islamic_sect_wahabi_vs_...
He propagates the wahabi point of view and that is why faces fatwas from those Muslims who hate Wahabis and Osama Bin Laden, unlike Zakir Bhai MBBS.
dont blame any human what he say first u listen and understand if u dont like by ur realisation u
leave this if some people like Zakir Naik and like his answer and also do what he say and if it is useful for them u have no right to mislead these people.
u say anythinkg becoz u have free will my brother but think about death after life when Brahma asked questions regarding these. think…… think…. think…….. think
r u ready for this .
u will get every answer after death. But Brahma gave us authentic scriptures pls read these carefully and understand and to distinguish rightrous deeds. u will be sucees in ur life before and after death
@Md Ashfaque
Namaste Ashfaque
we do not believe in such Brahma, who will raise our souls and question us on the day of judgement. The real Brahma (as per Vedas) will simply transfer our souls to the deserving bodies based on our deeds, it is simple as that, it has been happening since the past and will continue to happen hence forth.
@cheeyan
We only expect this from you, because you guys do not have courage to face the truth.
But not going to stop here. Take this more and if you have guts, challenge them.
(1) http://www.faithfreedom.org/
(2) http://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunv…
(3) http://www.islam-watch.org/
Have fun…
What else can we expect from a terrorist. You can't stand the truth, can you. The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye, the more light you shine on it the more it will contract
@sshama
Eating pork also most healthier.Why do not you eat pork. Why do you not eat flesh of your father & mother who are old and useless? If there is question health Pork & human flesh should be consumed for sound health. Although Veda is against any kind of meat eating. Veda teaching simple and based on logic. But Kuran concept of meat eating not clear without if & but.
if hair fall is cause can giris cut the hiar form tip of hair
Yes bro…above what u mentioned is absolutely true…
and also…If Allah wanted us to be non-veg, then he must have given us sharp and hard nails so we could kill animals with our hands…
and also, this has also been proved that non-veg results in global warming…just google this stuff..!!!
All hindus are not vegetarian.
I am happy to learn that a Vegetarian Society exists among the Muslims as well.
Taking cue from the goat sacrifice by Abraham; the Muslims have been killing goats on every Bakr-Id day. I hope that the Vegetarian Society among the Muslims refuse to participate in and refuse to justify such sacrifices.
God Bless.
Zakir is not MBBS
He must be a JHOLA CHAAP dactor…..that too from Muslim University…lol
As salaamu alainkum,
Agniveer,Can you tell me what is Shivlingam??
Is Kamasutra part of hinduism..
Can i print books under your name explaining and educating hindus about vedas like Idol worshipping is against hinduism so remove all statues from all temples ,do not celeberate Ganpati,educating hindus what is Shivlingam.
educating hindus what is Kamasutra etc..
@Muinz
I dont know vedas, and shivlingam, and kamasutra etc. I know NOTHING about hinduism or any true religion.
I just know ONE thing. Fighting and opposing muslims is what I consider as my religion. Now you got a problem?
Quote,”So that India can become and advanced country as becoz of all nonsense worshipping has put India on back foot.
All other religious countries area all clean and quality of life is very good except India.
India is only religious country where people are senselesss and backward..” Unquote
That is why idol worshipping hindus are the most advanced community in USA, with the highest education and highest income levels. The devout south Indians, are where the world class computer programmers come from. India (&china) are the rising superpowers.
Now PLEASE can you give me a list of achievements of pakistan or bangladesh (muslim India)? DONT talk without proof.
As salaamu Alainkum,
agniveer, can you tell what is shivlingam and is a part of your religion,Is kamasutra part of your religion.
Can i print books under your name educating idiot hindus that idol worshipping is against hinduism and remove all idols from temples and wash and clean the temples as it has become impure by idols..
educate hindus on what is shivlingam and what is kamasutra ..
So that India can become and advanced country as becoz of all nonsense worshipping has put India on back foot.
All other religious countries area all clean and quality of life is very good except India.
India is only religious country where people are senselesss and backward..
As salaamu Alainkum,
agniveer, can you tell what is shivlingam and is a part of your religion,Is kamasutra part of your religion.
Can i print books under your name educating idiot hindus that idol worshipping is against hinduism and remove all idols from temples and wash and clean the temples as it has become impure by idols..
educate hindus on what is shivlingam and what is kamasutra ..
So that India can become and advanced country as becoz of all nonsense worshipping has put India on back foot.
All other religious countries area all clean and quality of life is very good except India.
India is only religious country where people are senselesss and backwqrd..
Muinz
Walaikum as salam
Can you tell me, why is Kaba in a shape of vagina? Is vagina worship part of your religion?
Before printing books for hinduism, first educate idiot Muslims that worshipping Kaba and Muhammad is against Islam and remove the idol of Kaba from Mecca and remove name of Muhammad from Quran as Mecca became dirty by Kaba idol and Quran and Kalma got impure by Muhammad’s name. Educate Muslims on what is Kaba vagina and what are hadith of Muhammad fondling his wives during their menses and how to keep 11 wives and go to them to have sex in the same night. Nothing can be more educative about Kamasutra than Muhammad’s life, I guess.
So that Islamic countries can become advanced as because of all nonsense vagina worship and Muhammad worship, they are still in 6th century.
You are funny.You people shold be in Circus…
Is kaaba in a shape of Vagina.I do not know whose vagina you have seen..Maybe your mothers or sita or parvati..??
Again you must educate yourself first; Muslims do not worship Kaaba and Muhammad;again lack of knowledge..
There is no Idols in Kaaba Muhammad has already removed them 1400 yrs ago and you people have it in temples..
Muhammad is mentioned in your books by name go and read your vedas properly..
What double standard you have..On your website in the poem you said Muhammd is the greates human being and now you are saying he is the bad..Well you have double standards..
Again you have not answered my question i do not know what problem you have to answer my questions..I repeat
What is Bhagwaan????
If Idol worshipping is against your religion why all temples have idols ??
Can i print books to educate idiot hindus that What is SHIVLINGAM.
Idls worshipping is bad..
Do not celeberate GANPATI..
Muinz [THIS COMMENT IS ONLY FOR MUINZ AND NOT FOR OTHERS. OTHERS PLEASE IGNORE AND DONT GET OFFENDED. I HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO REPLY THIS PERSON IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.]
This site is not for Ahle Hadith who always have in mind Muhammad playing with private parts of his child wife, mother Aisha. So its your culture to see/talk about your mother’s private parts in your holy books and not ours.
You did not tell me, why Muslims bow to Kaba and include Muhammad in prayers?
Where in Vedas, has this word “Muhammad” come?
Its not my website. I have my views and this site condemns hadith for their false allegations on Muhammad and I showed you that if you believe in hadith, how will Muhammad look like. So I cant see any contradiction, rather my comments are complimentary to their views.
I suggest you to be decent in your language so that the discussion can go in right direction.
Descent Language ??what happened..How come so sudden transform from foul langugae to descent language??
Kaaba means direction we do not bow to KAABA .Kaaba is in Saudi Arabia and muslims are all aorund the world where KAABA cannot be seen.I am surprised that you are unaware of this…
We include in our prayers Muhammad name as we sent salaam to him.
Muhammad is mentioned in several books of yours :
Bhavishya Purana
1. According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8.
“A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents.”
The Prophecy clearly states:
i. The name of the Prophet as Mohammad.
ii. He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word Marusthal means a sandy track of land or a desert.
iii. Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet, i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
iv. He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Glorious Qur’an reconfirms this
“And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character” [Al-Qur'an 68:4]
“Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)”. [Al-Qur'an 33:21]
v. He will kill the devil, i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices.
vi. The Prophet will be given protection against his enemy.
Some people may argue that ‘Raja’ Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century C.E. 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realise that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century C.E.
The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom.
2. According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:
“The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, “O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations.”
The Prophecy states that:
. The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land.
i. Arya Dharma is not found in that land.
ii. The Indian Raja need not go the Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the musalmaan will arrive in India.
iii. The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people.
iv. The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised. They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution.
v. They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’.
vi. He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places:
In Surah Al-Baqarah chapter 2 verse 173
In Surah Al-Maidah chapter 5 verse 3
In Surah Al-Anam chapter 6 verse 145
In Surah Al-Nahl chapter 16 verse 115
“Forbidden to you for food are dead meat, blood, flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah”.
vii. They will not purify with grass like the Hindus but by means of sword they will fight their irreligious people.
viii. They will be called musalmaan.
ix. They will be a meat-eating nation.
The eating of herbivorous animals is confirmed by the Qur’an in Surah Maidah, chapter 5 verse 1 and in Surah Muminun chapter 23 verse 21
3. According to Bhavishya Purana, Parv – III Khand 1 Adhay 3 Shloka 21-23:
“Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc. India is inhabited by Rakshas, Shabor, Bhil and other foolish people. In the land of Malechhas, the followers of the Malechha dharma (Islam) are wise and brave people. All good qualities are found in Musalmaans and all sorts of vices have accumulated in the land of the Aryas. Islam will rule in India and its islands. Having known these facts, O Muni, glorify the name of thy lord”.
The Qur’an confirms this in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 33 and in Surah Al Saff chapter 61 verse 9:
“It is He who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)”.
A similar message is given in Surah Fatah chapter 48 verses 28 ending with, “and enough is Allah as a witness”.
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Atharvaveda
1. In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.
Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Makkah is called the Ummul Qur’a the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth. In many revealed books it was the first house of Divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Qur’an says in Surah Ali-Imran chapter 3, verse 96:
“The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakkah (Makkah) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings”. Thus Kuntap stands for Makkah or Bakkah.
Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Bloomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandit Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.
The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:
i. Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.
ii. Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.
iii. Mantra 3
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.
iv. Mantra 4
Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.
a. The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).
The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.
b. He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah. The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, “A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an ass and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath”.
c. This mantra gave the Rishi’s name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).
He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah.
The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news). These were foretold in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by the Prophet’s own lips and after naming each one he said “in Paradise”. They were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Saad bin Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (May Allah be well-pleased with all of them).
The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (pbuh) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like cows and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy Quran in Surah Fatah:
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.” [Al-Qur'an 48:29]
d. This mantra calls the Prophet as Rebh which means one who praises, which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed, which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
2. Battle of the Allies described in the Vedas.
It is mentioned in Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6, “Lord of the truthful! These liberators drink these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in the field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one.”
. This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammed. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab:
“When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, “This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true.” And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience.” [Al-Qur'an 33:22]
i. The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated into Arabic means ‘Ahmed’, the second name of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
ii. The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the Mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in number.
iii. The last words of the Mantra aprati ni bashayah means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight.
3. The enemies’ defeat in the conquest of Makkah is mentioned in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9:
“You have O Indra, overthrown 20 kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariot wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan.”
. The population of Makkah at the time of Prophet’s advent was nearly 60,000
i. There were several clans in Makkah each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Makkah.
ii. An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far-famed and ‘praised one’. Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.
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Rigveda
A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).
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Samveda
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:
“Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:
1. The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.
2. Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.
3. The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet. Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28.
“We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.” [Al-Qur'an 34:28]
Now this Muniz is another copy-paster idiot who is copying from IRF site.
Zakir’s chelas are still not aware that his lies have long been exposed. read this -
http://agniveer.com/479/prophet-puran/
http://agniveer.com/528/prophet-vedas/
Brother Proud to be a kafir
This Muinz is a terrorist and he justified killing of apostates here http://agniveer.com/570/faq-on-vedas/#comment-9093
Please dont discuss with him anything. He deserves thrashing, not discussions.
You father Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has admitted in a discussion/debate with Dr Zakir Naik that
Muhammd is mentioned in your religious books…
I can understand if you agree with Muhammad you will not have any importance..
Please check your facts before running like a headless chicken..
@Muinz
Mohammad is no where mentioned in Vedas, but mohammad is mentioned in Bhavishya Puran which we people do not consider authentic. Guess what, it says he will the be polluter of righteousness, it doesnt say too good things about him.
HEY WHATS THIS WEBSITE FOR…I THINK ITS PAID BY ANTI ISALMIC GROUP TO HAVE PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM OR WHAT….WHY YOU GUYS DO NOT STICK TO MENTION THE POSITIVITY OD VEDAS>>>LETS PEOPLE JUDGE GOOD THINGS OF VEDAS IF ANY>>WHY CREATING WRONG IMPRESSION ABOUT ISLAM>>IF YOU ARE GOOD PEOPLE WILL COME FORWARD>>BY THE WAY WHO IS SPONSORING YOU>>>JEWS LOBBY>>?????
do you know all the shastra
NO
then why do you says about that
READ THIS
Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 12.13.4-9
it takes atleast 12 years to learn sanskrit
brāhmaḿ daśa sahasrāṇi
pādmaḿ pañcona-ṣaṣṭi ca
śrī-vaiṣṇavaḿ trayo-viḿśac
catur-viḿśati śaivakam
daśāṣṭau śrī-bhāgavataḿ
nāradaḿ pañca-viḿśati
mārkaṇḍaḿ nava vāhnaḿ ca
daśa-pañca catuḥ-śatam
catur-daśa bhaviṣyaḿ syāt
tathā pañca-śatāni ca
daśāṣṭau brahma-vaivartaḿ
laińgam ekādaśaiva tu
catur-viḿśati vārāham
ekāśīti-sahasrakam
skāndaḿ śataḿ tathā caikaḿ
vāmanaḿ daśa kīrtitam
kaurmaḿ sapta-daśākhyātaḿ
mātsyaḿ tat tu catur-daśa
ekona-viḿśat sauparṇaḿ
brahmāṇḍaḿ dvādaśaiva tu
evaḿ purāṇa-sandohaś
catur-lakṣa udāhṛtaḥ
tatrāṣṭadaśa-sāhasraḿ
śrī-bhāgavataḿ iṣyate
MEANING
The Brahmā Purāṇa consists of ten thousand verses, the Padma Purāṇa of fifty-five thousand, Śrī Viṣṇu Purāṇa of twenty-three thousand, the Śiva Purāṇa of twenty-four thousand and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam of eighteen thousand. The Nārada Purāṇa has twenty-five thousand verses, the Mārkaṇḍeya Purāṇa nine thousand, the Agni Purāṇa fifteen thousand four hundred, the Bhaviṣya Purāṇa fourteen thousand five hundred, the Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa eighteen thousand and the Lińga Purāṇa eleven thousand. The Varāha Purāṇa contains twenty-four thousand verses, the Skanda Purāṇa eighty-one thousand one hundred, the Vāmana Purāṇa ten thousand, the Kūrma Purāṇa seventeen thousand, the Matsya Purāṇa fourteen thousand, the Garuḍa Purāṇa nineteen thousand and the Brahmāṇḍa Purāṇa twelve thousand. Thus the total number of verses in all the Purāṇas is four hundred thousand. Eighteen thousand of these, once again, belong to the beautiful Bhāgavatam.
So have you gone through them
NO
PLEASE READ …………
mleccha ‘MEAT EATER’.
” gomAmsakhAdako yastu viruddhaM bahubhAshhate | sarvAchAravihInashcha mlechchha ityabhidhiiyate ” |
He who eats cow’s meat, and speaks a lot against shastras and he, who is also devoid of all forms of spiritual practice, is called a mlechha.
To my all friends,
Please dont write something that which can hurt other people. You can write the true but not in nonsenses way. This is not good.
“”sarva-dharman parityajya”" there are two kinds of religion in this world. First is Karmi-thus is for making big,big plans for enjoyment, This is the religion of the karmi, Second is religion of the jnani, jnani cinsiders the material world to be false and only Brahman is true.—-brahma satyam jagan mithya.—so ‘leave this false material world.’ There are these two aspects of religion. So the Lord is instructing here both of these, karmi and jnani religions. Then what should we accept? We should accept bhakti-dharma(devitional servic).Everything of yours will be successful..!Lord Himself says…. na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah(Bg.7.15) The Lord Himself has chastised very heavily these rascals who do not believe Him. The Lord has chastised so heavily , that you are ass, the lowest in mankind, and fool, most sinfull. The whole world said,’This is my country,”this is mu India,This is my Pakistan, This is my Arabia, This is my America…. They are all thieves. WHY ? Lord says, bhoktaram yajna-tapasam sarva-loka mahesvaram(Bg.5.29) ‘I am the owner of everything. Those who ignore the Lord message and laws to be no better then animals, dogs,and asses.
“YOU ALL SHOULD UNDERSTAND OF THIS. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF RELIGION, DHARMA. KEEP FAITH IN THIS. If you don’t care fot that,then you commiting suicide.You are chopping your neck with a knife. AFTER MANY,MANY BIRTH YOU HAVR RECEIVED THIS HUMAN BODY……SO DON;T SPOIL THIS HUMAN LIFE. AFTER HAVING MANY PIOUS ACTIVITIES, ONE CAN ATTAIN BIRTH IN THIS HOLY LAND OF INDIA IN A HUMAN BODY. sO DON’T WASTE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU, NAMASTEH, AASALAMALAIKUM AND VANAKUM.!!!!
So for this reason , better stop fighting amoung the Islam and Hindu .
what do you mean by Bhagwaan?????????
@MUINZ
Quote ,” What do you mean by bhagwaan.” Unquote
Well, bhagwaan is the baap (father ) of your allah
Did Lord Ram eat meat
Dr Zakir naik and his colleagues at the IRF believe so. Dr. Shuaib Sayyed, Research Manager, Islam and Comparative Religion, (IRF) says, “It is mentioned in Ayodhya Khandam chapter 20, 26 and 94 that when Rama was sent for Banavas he told his mother that he would have to sacrifice his tasty meat dishes. If Rama had to sacrifice his tasty meat dishes, it means that Rama had meat. If Rama can have meat, why can’t the Hindus have meat? … Sita asked Rama to kill the buck (deer)…What will Sita do with a dead pet? The only logical answer is that she wanted to have the meat of the buck. If Rama and Sita can have meat then why can’t the other Hindus have meat?” Let us examine if these allegations have any truth.
Valmiki Ramayana, the original narration of Ramayana, has a total of 537 chapters, and over 24,000 verses, arranged into six kandas, or books. There are only two references to meat, and over a hundred references to vegetarian diet. The Ayodhya Kanda has 119 chapters. Chapter 20 describes Mother Kaushalya’s grievous lamentation on hearing from her son Rama, that He has been banished to the forest. Rama tells her in verse 29, “I shall live in a solitary forest like a sage for fourteen years, avoiding meat and living with roots, fruits and honey”. Can we validly infer from this that Lord Rama ate meat while in Ayodhya, and now He promises to avoid it in the forest? The exact words used are ‘hitva aamishham’. ‘aamisham’ refers to meat and ‘hitva’ refers to ‘disregarding’ or ‘with the exception of’ (Monnier Williams dictionary). Traditionally, in Vedic culture, when a son leaves home to go to distant lands, he reassures his parents, that he would abide by strict moral codes and never deviate from the religious principles. Say a student promises his parents when going to stay in the hostel, “I won’t drink alcohol while in the hostel.” Does this mean that he is drinking it while at home? Obviously not. Similarly it’s in this mood that Lord Rama assures His mother that he wouldn’t stoop low. In Chapter 26 Lord Rama tells Mother Sita of His decision to go to forest and instructs her to stay at Ayodhya. There is no reference to any eating- meat or otherwise-in any verse of this chapter. Moreover in almost all the verses of chapter 94, (which also Dr. Sayyed quotes), Lord Rama glorifies the various fruits, trees, and flowers at the forest of Chitrakuta, with absolutely no reference to any meat- eating whatsoever.
Did Mother Sita ask Lord Rama to kill the deer? In the third book, Aranya kanda(forest trek),chapter 43, Mother Sita spots the golden deer and asks Lord Rama to fetch it. She asks, “Oh, nobleman’s son, that delightful deer is stealing my heart, oh, dextrous one, bring it round, it will be our plaything.” [3-43-10]. In the next eight verses she rejoices at the prospect of taking the deer back to Ayodhya where the animal will delight all the palace residents. She clarifies that if the deer is to be killed at all (Laksman had earlier warned it to be a demon), then they could use the deerskin as a seat. (3-43-19, 20). The forest dwelling sages used kusa grass and deer skin as seats during the earlier ages when flora and fauna was in abundance. Here again there is not even a hint that Lord Rama or Sita wanted to eat the flesh of the golden deer. In the 36th chapter of sundara kanda (Book of Beauty), Hanuman assures Mother Sita that Lord Rama would cross over the ocean and defeat Ravana. He reveals that although Lord Rama is in great sorrow of separation from Mother Sita, he hasn’t fallen down to intoxicants or meat eating. (verse 41)
‘Mamsa’ has another meaning; the flesh of a fruit. In the South Indian temple town of Srirangam, when priests offer mango to Lord Ranganath, they chant the prayer, “iti aamra mamsa khanda samarpayami” (“I offer mango ‘mamsa’ -mango flesh- for the Lord to eat). Thus even if there are occasional references to ‘mamsa’, we should know it refers to a mango.
Now this also signifies that Ramyana existence is accepted finally by Dr Naik who only likes to criticize on other religions without even knowing the basic knowledge of holy books . So Mr Naik you keep your half knowledge with yourselves and don’t spread false information about other religions.
“LETS SPREAD THIS TO STOP MISINTERPRETATION OF RAMAYANA”
Contributed By: Swami Abayananda TirthaReference : Valmiki Ramayana
Please see the animal slaughter videos b4 saying anything on meat eating.
stop eating meat promote vegetarianism.
Zakir…..
He simply waste his time and his age .What did he will get by his propaganda? Nothing!!!! He his not a selfrealazion or God realazion person. He cannot understand about God .He has to take many many birth to understand God as Krishna said in “BAGAVAT GITA AS IT”(THE SUPREME GOD).
THE NEXT LIFE IF HE BORN AS VAISNAVA OR KRISHNA DEVOTEE HE WIIL SAID THAT “NO OTHER HOLY BOOK AS BEST AS “BAGAVAT GITA AS IT”.
SO TO BECOME A KRISHNA DEVOTEE ZAKIR AS TO TAKE MANY-MANY BIRTH .
O.k I understand that vegetarianism is a synonym of compassion for animals according to Vedas
But what about cereals and grains like Rice and Wheat which are obtained through farming which in turn makes use of Bulls and other beasts of burden?
Bulls are castrated in a brutal manner when it becomes an adult. The testicles are smashed by a stone…….imagine! Hence farm products like Rice and Wheat are also ill begotten foods just like meat of animals.
Milk is also obtained by restricting the calf from having its heart full share of milk by dragging it away from its mother!
Silk is also obtained by killing of silkworms that too by boiling them live!
namaste!
Brutal??
use of bull in farming is not brutal dear, the bull which helps so much in farming , playing knives on its neck is brutal !!! and for what ? for sake of tongue’s taste??
this is brutal.. when will u understand?
Brutal??
use of bull in farming is not brutal dear, the bull which helps so much in farming , playing knives on its neck is brutal !!! and for what ? for sake of tongue’s taste??
this is brutal.. when will u understand?
The Bull is thrashed on its back and then only it moves forward while farming. Especially in India they look very emaciated when compared to other countries.
yes farmer uses the bull for farming and in turn to this the farmer protects the bull from being eaten by some meat eaters or predators , also provides it fodder to eat.
so it turns out to be a give and take relationship.
eating a bull is a take take relationship .. dont you think so??
To Zakir Naik
You all thinking Vedas is only for Hindu people. NO…No…. No………..!
“Vedas means knowledge ! Knoweldge is for everyone. Why do they take ‘Oh vedas,
oh, it is Hindu? Immediately they reject.
Actually these people do not know what is Vedas. The think it is Hindu Idea. As
soon we say , “Bagavat Gita” , It is Hindu idea.” But that means they do not
know what is the meaning of “Bagavat Gita” For example: “Here is a person who
knows mathematics,” Why they should be objection?Any person who is interested in
mathematics will wellcome him.So similarly, here is Vedic knowledge. Vedic means
real knowledge. Here “Bhagavat Gita. the knowledhe of God, but the Fools
misunderstand.They think, ‘Oh we have got another God,’ ….HOW God can be
another?
“Bagavat Gita ” accepted by the educated class, big,big professors, big, big
philosophers. It is not blind faith. Just like this versionof Bgavat Gita,
“tatha dehantara-praptih[Bg.2.13], As we are changing body even in this
duration of life, similarly , when this body is finished, then another body,’so
where is the difficuly to understand?But they said, It is Hindu Idea.’ Lord
Krishna presenting , that you are changing your body.When you came out of the
womb of your mother, the body was small. And then little bigger body, little
bigger body, little bigger body…! Now you are full grown young men..So the
body is changing, everyone can understand, but as soon as we say (it), Oh ,
this is Hindu idea!!! Reject immediately. This is a real science but they are
taking “Hindu Idea” Although , “it is universal, but the are taking it as
Indian, Knowledge means knowledge.
It may be Indian, Arabian or American. It doesn’t matter. Some students from
India go to America to study higher knowledge. So that means that, because he
has gone America, that is American knowledge? Knowledge is knowledge..
Why a man, civilized man , shall eat meat. This is uncivilized life. He can
prepare so many nice things. He has learned how to produce food, food
grain.When they are uncivilized— there is no food,they do not know how to
grow food—–they can eat animal in the jungle. But if after becoming
civilized, if you are eating the same thing , then what is the difference
between civilization and not civilization ? In these modern world, you can get
all nice foodstuff. You have sufficient grains, sufficent fruits, sufficient
vegetables……everything sufficient. Why should eat meat? This is uncivilized
way of life. And we are teaching to become civilized, they said it is Hindu
Idea.
Meat eating is third -class man’s eating. It is not denied(amedhya). But to give
us our life, don’t kill cow, because it gives you milk. very substantial food.
If you want to eat meat , you can eat the hogs and dogs, but don’t kill the
cows.” Krsi -go-raksa-vanijyam.{B.!8.44].This is specila.It is not forbidding
meat eating, but don’t eat cows’ flesh. That is loss. Thisi is a great loss to
tha human society. If they do not have sufficent milk production , the their
brain will be dull. They will not be able to understand subtle things,
Therefore it is better to avoid it. but if you cannot avoid , you can eat some
inferior, useless animals, but don’t touch the cows. This is “Bagavat Gita.,
krishna says, go-raksya. He never says, “Pig-raksa.”You can eat pig. You can eat
the goats, the lambs. There are so many useless animals. There are eating dogs
also. The chiness people, they eat dog. So you can eat dogs, hogs and so many
other animals. But don’t touch the cows. THIS IS GOD INTRUCTION. And they are
adversting that “These Hindus, they are so fool, they are worshiping an
animals,a cow.’They do not know what is the economic value of this cow.
In the begining of your life you want milk immediately in the morning. and you
are killing the mother? You are civilized? Do you think????? You take milk.
Instead of killing, you prepare so many nice things from milk which is good
for brain, good for intelligence. But they do not know because uncivilized.
Foolish fourth-class men. So, The Bagavat Gita says,” You become the
first-class men. But they want to become fourth class, tenth class ,
uncivilized men….!
Thank you.
jaget
@KalBhairav,
Oh Allah do not exists?? I think you do not know the meaning of Allah..
If your religion is true religion then why it has gone extinct?? why your own people do not follow it..
@Muin:
If your religion is true religion then why it has gone extinct?? why your own people do not follow it..
Hinduism is not going extinct. In fact it is growing quite well *even* without missionaries and the kill apostates/non-believers. See my post on the robustness of Hinduism and decline of Islam here.
Adding to my points there, let me state that claiming Islam is growing fastest is a fallacious argument because:
(a)Apostasy is punishable by death in Islamic countries. With a sword hanging over their heads will apostates come forward openly. Of course not. Then, there is no means of quantifying those who have quit Islam silently. However there are many websites of growing number of ex-Muslims (on websites like councilofexmuslims, faithfreedom, etc.) where privacy is protected. I suggest you go preach and first reconvert your ex-Muslims before bringing Dawah to us Kufrs.
(b)Non-Muslims arent allowed to preach in Islamic countries. So, there is no free market for ideas. Given that there is no means of seeing whether a consensus can be evolved about which religion is most suited for residents of Islamic countries.
When rigid rules like (a) and (b) are abolished, then you can make legitimate claims about the speed of growth or decline of Islam.
@Muin,
Can you define Allah so that we will decide if he exists or not?
What has proof of Allah ‘s existence got to do with our religion? Does chaotic conditions in pakistan make india a developed nation? The issues are different and let us not link them together.
Now that you want us to join islam
1) Clearly define islamic god Allah.
2) Prove the existence of Allah
@KalBhairav – hinduism is growing ??? oh really hindus are there only in India..You ask anyone in the world who is Allah all will say they will say Arabic word for GOD.but you ask anyone ourside IDNia in USA or Uk etc who is Ganpati they will ask wats that creature?? with a long nose,4-5 hands a monster??
Can you tell me any names who have embraced your religion??
Many people have embraced Islam and no one has forced them , to name few Mohd Yousuf , Mohd Ali,Mike Tyson, Brian Lara, AR Rehman, Cat Stevens,M Jackson and his brother,Mithuns brother, whole Parsi family from TV serial, after 9/11 attack around 20,000 Americans embraced Islam just check on CNN report on Google…
and you name any who embraced Hinduism??
@dharmayoddha – uh! there you are your, ved teaches you to give bad words and this is true color of your religion and you have named yourself as dharmyoudhya?? what a shame…
100 crores hindus are for name sake.. no one even read your vedas(oh only brahmins are allowed) as your religion teaches to discriminate what a shame..
you should be thankful that there was partition or else muslim population would have overtaken hindus as 16 crores muslims in India + 13 from pakistan + 10 from bangladesh = 39 crorores enough to declare India as ISLAMIC country
@Muinz
Quote,”you should be thankful that there was partition “Unquote
YOU should be thankful that we did not do to muslim minority in India what happened to hindu minority in pakistan. We did favours on you by keeping you in India, not other way round. hamne ahsaan kiya tumhare per, tumne is desh me rehke hamare pe eshaan nahi kiya. hamare ahsaan ki tukde per palne waale.
Quote,”enough to declare India as ISLAMIC country” Unquote
Jaat bata di na shaane? Tere dil ke andar kya hai? You shout in public that india is secular country, (just becuase you muzzies are in minority) but in your hearts you want India to be islamic country. so, why dont you say in public? You muzzies are DEVIOUS bastards, say something from mouth (secular country) say something in heart( islamic country)
Muslim majority = islamic country
muslim minority = secular country.
Tere do baap the kya?
@dharmayoddha – Bhagwan baap of Allah and this again tells false teachings of your religion and you yourself proved that…
@Muin
LOVED your comments.
my comments are designed to provoke. I am agent provocateur. MIRCHI LAGI?
Mai to icecream kha raha tha….. tuzhko mirchi lagi to mai kya karu?
tuzhko mirchi lagi to mai kya karu?
@dharmayoddha – if a muslim wants to leave ISLAM for the reason that in ISLAM drining liquor is not allowed, watching kamasutra movies is not allowed,going to pubs are not allowed then there is no death punishment, but if he says ISlam degrades woman, all hindus are kaafir and kill them etc than there is a death punishment becoz he is spreading false belief…
@dharmayoddha – regd As-salaam , as i said it Arabic language and you have given your own meaning again this says something about your sanskaar ?? may be you learned from Ved religion how to manipulate and i am not surprised…
@adolf – want to know ALLAH and more visit irf.net and educate yourself.
@muin,
>> Oh Allah do not exists?? I think you do not know the meaning of Allah..
This is what you said here on this website and you have to let me know what allah is here on this website. I cannot come to your irfsite and do a phd to find out about something which does not exist.
So please let us know what and how allah looks like and we can argue upon the existance/non existance of such thing.
‘we already know that all he does is to copy-paste from previous books from copyrighted Qadiyani sources without acknowledging the author ‘
First of all this is not copy paste coz there are lot of additions and modifications from the Dr. Zakirs side, if at all this is copy paste, not neessary the original source is qadiyani coz this information had always been present in Islamic urdu lirterature since long time ago. May be the qadiyani scholar used this information and later on Dr. Zakir naik. That doesnt make the qadiyani scholar the inventor of the knowledge and Dr. Zakir naik a copy cat coz nowhere does Dr. Zakir mentions that this information is his own invention. And morever an established fact doesnt need an invention tree taking the reader to the original inventor. Just the mention of ‘theory of gravity’ in the literature doesnt make the writer a fraud as long as the writer claims that he is the orginal discoverer of the theory. Similarly the points mentioned in the Dr. Zakirs book have not been mentioned by him as his own discovery and these points were known to the medieval islamic literature since long. And the concepts like plagiarism or frauds unlike other literature are absent in the world of Islamic literature as muslims doesnt claim any knowledge form their side but from ALLAH and thats why muslim minds are far beyond the cheap materialistic concepts like copy-paste and self vested rivalry in literature. Anyways congrats for discovering this resemblance in Dr. Zakirs book and Qadiyani books, and you should inform the qadiyanis about this brilliant work that which even they failed to notice.
‘. I am sure Zakir Bhai, MBBS who claims to be an MBBS knows at least that there are large number of vegetarian food that require tearing and hence use of pointed teeth (canines). A simple example is sugarcane. In fact almost all vegetarian food that are hard require use of pointed teeth!’
And when did Dr. Zakir mentioned that there is no veg food which requires use of canine? So do you mean to say that humans have canine to tear sugacane? Or is it that humans have canine to have non-veg and flat teeth to have veg food. So which statement sounds more logical ‘humans have canine to tear sugarcane’ or ‘humans have canine to tear non-veg and also some veg food like sugarcane’ you can decide.
‘The pointed teeth (canine) in humans are not as large and pointed as in case of carnivorous animals. In humans, they are of same size as other teeth. In fact, it is the vegetarians who give this argument to justify vegetarianism!’
Yes true….Humans have teeth as a mixture of carniverous animals and herbiverous animals so that they can have both non-veg and veg food. If humans doesnt have large canines like carniverous, similarly they doesnt have complete flat set of teeth like herbiverous animals. Humans are in between carniverous and herbiverous. But to resemble humans to be completely herbiverous is a kind of extremism and fanaticism which the vegetarians like to slap on everyone.
‘Thus I am not sure if Zakir Bhai, MBBS actually wrote this to support Islamic non-vegetarianism or make of mockery of it)’
Ofocurse to support Islamic non-vegetarianism, although you trying utterly desperately to prove the otherwise but in vain.
@adolf,
Definition of ALLAH(CREATOR OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS AND LIVING CREATURES AND THE UNIVERSE):
Qul huwallahu ahad – Say:Allah is ONE
Allahus samad – He is Eternal
Lamyalidwlam u lad – He begeths not nor is he begotten
Walamyakul lahu kufuwan ahad – And ther is no one like him.
(Quran:112)
As per Islam :
1)Allah is not a MAn,woman,Animal or natural things like watre,Air,Wind,Tree etc which can be seen.
2)Allah is not born and question of birth place do not arises (like hindus who claim that there god ram was born in Ayoudhya)
3) Allah cannot be seen and no one know the shape and size and stucture.(but hindu god has one big nose, 4-5 hands, etc,…)
4)Allah is not born and has no parents( but hindu god has parents as well as wife and raise children by having physical relation with a girl – what a shame on such culture)
5) Allah is not physically present everywhere
6) Allah cannot do all things(like telling lie,doing injustice,marrying and having physical relation with a woman and raise children like RAm,GANAPTI,Krishna etc).He does only Godly things
and now define your Bhagwan…
@Muin:
>>Allah is one
How do you know he is one and not two?
>> He is Eternal
He might be dead by now as no one knew where he is or how he looks.
>>He begeths not nor is he begotten
He may be an orphan, poor child he knew not his father zeus, thats why he thinks he appeared from no where
>>And ther is no one like him
Infact everey human being is unique. humans or any other animals can be uniquely identified, so no greatness of Allah.
>>Allah is not a MAn,woman,Animal or natural things like watre,Air,Wind,Tree etc
There is no such thing beyond nature. An unnatural thing is just a figment of imagination.
>>Allah is not born and question of birth place do not arises
Nor our body is born. It is made of semen and ovum,changed its shape by taking food. All the things are previously existing or made by transformation of existing things, making us the same i.e never born and question of birth place has no meaning. So what is the greatness of Allah?
>>Allah cannot be seen and no one know the shape and size and stucture.(but hindu god has one big nose, 4-5 hands, etc,…)
Even my pink unicorn and its father zeus cannot be seen. So nothing great in this.
>>Allah is not born and has no parents( but hindu god has parents as well as wife and raise children by having physical relation with a girl – what a shame on such culture)
As is said all living things are just a transformation of organic matter and hence not born.
If you feel shameful for doing a natural thing as procreation then better abstain from sex, and modify the quranic verses to not marry at all.
A suicide bomber feels elated while others hate him, so feelings like shamefullness or anything are subjective to a person/culture.
>>Allah is not physically present everywhere
Even my pink unicorn,its father zeus are not present everywhere. Nothing greatness of allah.
>> Allah cannot do all things(like telling lie,doing injustice,marrying and having physical relation with a woman and raise children like RAm,GANAPTI,Krishna etc).He does only Godly things
What are godly things?
All this creation is done by my pink unicorn and its father zeus. Your Allah does not exist at present becuase he was killed by my unicorn for claiming he created universe.
>>and now define your Bhagwan
Bhagawan aka Zeus is nothing but the whole universe.
So please brother come to true god Zeus and get a ticket in permanent heaven, otherwise all mercifull pink unicorn will not forgive you and will torture you in hell forever.
@adolf,
i have mentioned who and what is Allah but you have not mentioned the difinition of Bhagwan??? why??? avoiding the question???
Read all points clearly
>>and now define your Bhagwan
Bhagawan is nothing but the whole universe.
muslims are the masters of declaring themselves victorious though defeated.
@adolf,
again caught your real belief! you said bhagwan is nothing but whole universe…
and that says it all ….no more argument is reqd to expose your ved religion….
Salam all Hindu Brothers
Please do not see Sunni or Shia or Wahabis to understand real Islam. Please visit http://www.alislam.org/ and discover True Islam.
Inshallah you all find Hidaya and peace.
@Aslam:
But Zakir Naik and all other Muslim scholars say that Ahmadiyyas are Kafirs. Pakistan has even banned them. So either you are correct or Zakir Naik. If Ahmadiyyas are True islam, then Zakir Naik is a cheat.
I want to know why other Muslims torture Ahmadiyyas so much? Can any other Muslim on this site give you support that Ahmadiyyas are Muslims?
Why?
Aman
@Muin
Hey Brother, you did not tell us that the true form of your Quran Mazhab is Qadiyani as told by your Brother Aslam! You are a liar. You all fight each other and have your own belief systems. At least Hindus dont kill each other on sectarian basis but you kill Muslims of other sects here on earth, and in addition, your respective Allahs punish Muslims of other sects for not believing in them hereafter
You are liar. Your Quran Majhab teaches to worship graves, you do Shirk and still blame Hindus for being Mushriks. You are nothing but hypocrite.
@Aslam
Can you prove logically that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was Mahdi and had divine powers? Can you convince your other Muslim brothers that its not Muhammad but Mirza Ghualam Ahmad who was the last man to receive divine revelations falling from seventh heaven directly?
@Muin
>>again caught your real belief! you said bhagwan is nothing but whole universe…
and that says it all ….no more argument is reqd to expose your ved religion
The argument is about Allah not about Ved or my belief. As you are not able to prove Allah exists. I will conclude that Allah is simply a figment of imagination as Zeus his son pink unicorn.
Comming to the matter of universe as bhagawan, I just gave a definition.
My belief as agonist does not change the existance/non existance of god. If god wants me to worship him and punish me for doing some silly thing, let god come to me personally and let me know the code of conduct. untill then i will show my middle finger to who ever asks me to convert for a palce in heaven.
@krishna arya,
GOTCHA! caught your real belief..you said”Whosoever you worship does not matter” this says it all ;your religion allows to worship anyone and not only bhagwan of vedas…. thats the reason hindus worship ram,krishna,ganpati ,animals ling-am etc…
and what basis you advise Muslims to follow ved???
Also 100 crores hindus do idol worshiping but very few muslims do grave worshiping.. if you go to Jama Masjid and compare people going to dargah you will get the answers…
Also can you dare to come on TV and declare idol worshiping is against your religion and all temples which has idols must be thrown out of the temples just eager to see what will happen to you people after it is telecast just dare to do it…if you have guts…
————religion allows to worship anyone and not only bhagwan of vedas…. thats the reason hindus worship ram,krishna,ganpati ,animals ling-am———-
o! mr. intelligencce! i meant to show that even if they worship those idols, lingams etc. this alone does not tag them for hell !! even after this they can get good living standards based on their deeds!
———what basis you advise Muslims to follow ved???———-
we dont say follow ved, we say leave all objectionable content of quran and start following humanity, you will automatically be following vedas.
———- all temples which has idols must be thrown out of the temples ———-
why? we are not muslims, are we?why you people just think of doiung all work forcibly? we want to take idol out from heart of people not out from temples only!! hope you understand !!
why dont all muslims go and break grave in haji ali etc.??
@Muin: Namste has many meanings and more meanings relate to bowing. Islam instructs monotheism and hence bowing is allowed only in front of Allah. Whether bowing means humbleness or not worshipping, discarding bowing will only take you more toweards monotheism.
NAMASTE sshama
————-Namste has many meanings and more meanings relate to bowing.——————
Do you know Sanskrit? Please enlighten us with these “many” meanings of Namaste!
—————-Islam instructs monotheism————–
Visit http://satyagni.com/4270/islam-tauheed/
—————-and hence bowing is allowed only in front of Allah.—————-
Do you know for what sin was Satan kicked out of heavens? Either you will loose faith or debate to a Kafir as soon as you reply
—————–discarding bowing will only take you more toweards monotheism.—————–
So why not start from discarding bowing, kissing, circumambulating the Kaba idol, bowing to graves?
Why not exclude the name of a person (Muhammad) from your prayers in which only Allah is to be remembered without associating any partner?
@krishna : Sorry the post about bwing was for you and not for muin.
‘. Our digestive system can digest even human flesh and blood. In fact many parts of human bodies can provide large amounts of nutrients. Does it mean we should start eating dead bodies instead of burying them and drinking their blood?’
The writer said the above. Never did Dr. zakir said that al digestable food stuff should be eaten. He only emphasised on the non-veg food which is good for health and can be consumed. The point of digestion has come up inorder to counteract the fanatic agenda of some vegetarian ideologists who made such a great hype of non-veg food that it appeared as if non-veg food is not suitable and natural for humans consumption. It was only after this that Dr. Zakir had to explain that the human digestion system is in complete compatibility with non-veg food.
And whereas there are lot of reasons why excreta and human flesh/blood is prohibited to eat, it cannot be compared with non-veg food for consumption. And comparing food with excreta carries no sense.
@Sshama
which stupid person told you non veg food is health??? Why do people who eat non veg food encounter so many diseases???
Did you know NorthAmerica consumes so much non veg, but guess what the rate of hospital admission is very high in North America as well, do some research before posting illogical information.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864/
Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets.
“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes. A vegetarian diet is defined as one that does not include meat (including fowl) or seafood, or products containing those foods. This article reviews the current data related to key nutrients for vegetarians including protein, n-3 fatty acids, iron, zinc, iodine, calcium, and vitamins D and B-12. A vegetarian diet can meet current recommendations for all of these nutrients. In some cases, supplements or fortified foods can provide useful amounts of important nutrients. An evidence- based review showed that vegetarian diets can be nutritionally adequate in pregnancy and result in positive maternal and infant health outcomes. The results of an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians also appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians. Furthermore, vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index and lower overall cancer rates. Features of a vegetarian diet that may reduce risk of chronic disease include lower intakes of saturated fat and cholesterol and higher intakes of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, soy products, fiber, and phytochemicals.”
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4YX_iVWIe0
Meat-eaters: have claws, Herbivores: no claws, Humans: no claws
Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue,
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores,
Humans: perspire through skin pores
Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding,
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding,
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly,
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.,
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits
Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
@vik: which stupid person told you non veg food is health??? Why do people who eat non veg food encounter so many diseases???
Why dont you pass it on this invention to the bodybuilders and health websites. Poor guys still think non-veg food gives proteins and is responsible for the development of human body. Grow up dude!!!
Control your passions and let intelligence overcome. You guys are opposing the decision of ALLAH, and however hard you try, Islam as decreed in the quran will overcome all religions. Since the time of its advent Islam has always been increasing and still going strong. The day will definitely come when the Quranic prophecy will be fulfilled. So mend it before its too late. Otherwise the condition and history of jews after their mischief and rejection of God is well known. Take some lessons from that and submit yourself to almighty God.
And this is my request to all muslims, dont at all waste your time on this website. Its utterly prejudiced and partial. The deaf the dumb the blind will never understand.
@sshama
Eating pork also most healthier.Why do not you eat pork. Why do you not eat flesh of your father & mother who are old and useless? If there is question health Pork & human flesh should be consumed for sound health. Although Veda is against any kind of meat eating. Veda teaching simple and based on logic. But Kuran concept of meat eating not clear without if & but.
The best conclusion is the meat eater should eat their own son. Then every thing will alright.
DUll brain cannot see things clearly. Its intelegent take by MAYA.
What kind human being you are? After watching the Glass Wall still you are so fool and say eat meeting in no harm….. Cut your own hand eat .
@Sshama
Namaste Sshama, Sshama why are you proving all those stupid hadiths true which say that women have less intelligence????
Where is your intelligence dear?? Bodybuilders in the gym even recommend taking STERIODS in other words, DRUGS to help build a healthy body, do you agree with that??
Ok forget the Quran or Vedas, lets just rely on modern science for now. Tell me one thing, if non veg is good, then why all the biggest scientists like Einstein and Newton SUPPORT VEGETARIANISM???
Do you mean to say your arab masters knew more than them??? Or are you really considering a stage performer like Zakir MBBS to really be a doctor??
Sshama, I was once involved in bodybuilding as well, but hopefully will resume once again. None of my coaches ever told me to start eating meat because it has protein. On contrary, they told me to drink lots of milk which is a good source of protein.
By the way, I dont know in which madarsa gyms u visit where they recommend meat, but in the places where i live (USA CANADA), all the gyms advise to drink protein SHAKE, which is 100% vegertarian made from milk.
Nice try Sshama, but logically and luckily we got so much evidence against MEAT EATING that you cannot refute.
@Vik: ‘Do you know Sanskrit? Please enlighten us with these “many” meanings of Namaste!’
If namaste has only meaning of bowing then reject it straighforwardly. As far as other meanings are concerned I dont care, whatever meaning you derive, it has also one meaning as bowing or revering or praying, and this is sufficient to discard it.
‘Do you know for what sin was Satan kicked out of heavens? Either you will loose faith or debate to a Kafir as soon as you reply’
Yes I know the sin for which satan was kicked out of heavens. The sin is disobediency.
sshama
1. Bowing is not same as worshipping in Vedas. Is it same in Islam?
2. What was that which Satan refused to obey ?
@sshama
Namaste is not worshipping. According to Veda actual worship of God by concentrating on God within oneself on the point between two eyebrow & recite the god name within heart not by mouth unlike shouting Allah-Allah as you think Allah is deaf & lives miles away from you or bowing head before the stone like Kaba. How nice method of worshiping of God veda teaches us & Why do you bow head before stones, I could not understand. Agniveer is working like a reformer for Muslim but ignorant like you opposing him. If you want to worship God according to Veda first give up the rituals & superstitions like blowing head before stone like Kaba.
@truthseeker: ‘.Why do not you eat pork’
Coz it is unclean. Simple isnt that ??
NAMASTE sshama
More clean is to consume human flesh than any other
Simpler isn’t that?
sshama
Why do not you eat pork’
Coz it is unclean. Simple isnt that ??
Comment:
But you talked of health. So pork & human flesh is very useful for making strong body. It is healthier then beef. But You are successor of monster who thinks opposite, Veda give instruction protect the animals who are beneficial for humanbeing. But Kuran teaches Kill the animals for tongue test. Veda is against killing of anything who are beneficial for mankind. But Muslim have no regard for the benefactor.If they can not feel gratefulness & love for the animals who are benefactor & visible, then how can they love to god who are invisible & formless. Suppose, if I do not show gratefulness to my teachers, Parents, animals who had done benefit for me & I am watching them from my eyes, then how can you say I can love to God or worship the God who is invisible.But Islam talks only tongue test nothing else. Veda is against cruelty against animals & instruct one must protect to beneficial animals & Veda teaches we should marry only for producing children not for enjoyment. But Kuran gives lure of 72 virgins only for enjoyment.
@Vajra: ‘More clean is to consume human flesh than any other Simpler isn’t that?”
Is it that simple?? So lets start from you. Charity begins at home. Kill your family members and consume their flesh and show the world how simple it is.
Got the point. So dont try to hang from one extreme to the other. Vegetarianism and cannibalism both are extremes. Islam is the only solution in betweens.
Anyways its useless answering your foolish questions. Again you will parrotize the same points.
@Vajra: ’1. Bowing is not same as worshipping in Vedas. Is it same in Islam?
2. What was that which Satan refused to obey ?”
Who is talking about vedas.Bowing can be considered as worshipping or atleast form of worshiping. Now if your dictionary speaks something different you may go on with your personal definitions.
Satan disobeyed to bow before Gods creation (Adam). But it doesnt mean God instructed him to do idol worship. It was Gods command to bow (in correct sense to accept superiority of adams creation) to the Gods new creation. But satan was proud of his creation and in his ego even forgot that he himself is Gods creation. So God disapproved of his haughtiness and prejudice and kicked him out of heavens. That bowing before adam was Gods commandment and that meant to submit your ego , jealousy and pride before Gods command. That ‘bowing’ doesnt mean to bow before adam but God HIMSELF coz that was the instruction from GOD HIMSELF. Namsate is irreligious and nobody can claim is authorized or commanded by God to himself
Thats why satan is notorious for not ‘not doing idol/human worship’ but ‘disobeying GOD’ and acting as a rebel.
You guys need lot of explanation for a simple point!!
@sshama
Brother According to Kuran enjoyment comes in living or doing sex with 72 Virgins. Kuran Allah depend of Virgins for giving enjoyment to his follower. But According to Veda real enjoyment is living in inspiration of God all the time that called Moksh. Veda glorify only God not virgins. Veda god does not depend on Virgins. According to Veda when a devotee has achieved the god, other source for enjoyment are null & void for him.He do not find interest even in Virgins. But Kuran Allah depend on Virgin because he himself can not satisfy his follower.
@sshama
Bowing for example
Brother, I bow head before my parents, teacher, & other scholars to show them my gratefulness towards them. It is way of showing politeness to elders. But Why do you bow head before stones like Kaba or Masjid. Which gratefulness you are showing to stone.
NAMASTE sshama
————-Is it that simple??————-
You talked of simplicity not me. You related simplicity with cleanliness not me. I just extrapolated your logic to the more cleaner creature so that you can have access to more simpler ways
————-So lets start from you. Charity begins at home.————
Why? Killing of any creature be it human or animal may be called charity in Islam not in Vedic Dharma.
————–Vegetarianism and cannibalism both are extremes. Islam is the only solution in betweens.———-
Eeman and Kufra are two extremes. How does Islam offer solution in between? Truth and falsehood are two extremes. I choose to be called as extremist (truthful) than an in between hypocrite Jihadi!
————Who is talking about vedas.———–
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BTW what do you think what are we doing here, talking about movies or IPL? Go and search for other forums if you dont want discussions on comparative religions.
————-Bowing can be considered as worshipping or atleast form of worshiping. ————–
So you agree Allah ordered Iblis to worship Adam since you consider bowing as worshipping? Is Islam monotheistic now?
—————-Satan disobeyed to bow before Gods creation (Adam).————–
Replacing bow by worship as per your dictionary in this line, it becomes
SATAN DISOBEYED TO WORSHIP GOD’S CREATION (ADAM).
So in Islam, humans are worshipped too and unfortunately Allah kicks out those from heaven who refuse to commit this Shirk
————–But it doesnt mean God instructed him to do idol worship.————-
Absolutely agree with you! God ordered him to WORSHIP HUMAN and not idol
So do you agree Islam allows human worship and prohibits idol worship?
—————–It was Gods command to bow (in correct sense to accept superiority of adams creation) to the Gods new creation.————-
1. But Allah forbids Muslims to bow/worship to anyone but Allah! Then why Allah contradicted Himself by ordering human worship?
2. So as per you, one must worship someone who is superior to him/her
I dont believe so! I dont believe in such Allah. You can call me Satan for my monotheistic stand against your Islamic polytheistic one!
——————-But satan was proud of his creation and in his ego even forgot that he himself is Gods creation.—————–
Was Satan an angel or Jinn?
—————That bowing before adam was Gods commandment and that meant to submit your ego , jealousy and pride before Gods command.————
Thanks again for confirming that Allah wanted human to be worshipped by angels.
————–That ‘bowing’ doesnt mean to bow before adam but God HIMSELF coz that was the instruction from GOD HIMSELF.————
Allah commanded bow before Adam. BTW idol worshippers also give the same logic, that by bowing to idols, they bow to God Himself because God has ordered them to worship idols in Puranas. So why are idol worshippers wrong?
————-You guys need lot of explanation for a simple point!!————-
Ya! We understand things slowly
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Whoever Fulfilled the Requirements of Tawheed Will Enter Paradise Without a Reckoning
Allah (swt ), says:
” Verily, Ibrahim was an Ummah [a leader, good and righteous] obedient to Allah, Haneefan [worshipping none but Allah], and he was not one of the polytheists” (Qur’an 16:120)
Allah (swt ), informs us in this verse that His Messenger, Ibrahim (as ) was a leader in religion, a teacher of goodness, always humble and obedient to his Rabb; and that he rejected Shirk, in all its manifestations and devoted himself exclusively to the worship of Allah (swt ), Alone, without falling into Shirk, either in word, deed or belief.
Benefits Derived From This Verse
1. That Tawheed is the basis of all religion.
2. The obligation to follow Ibrahim, by sincerely worshipping Allah, Alone.
3. It is an obligation upon the daa’iyah1 to set a good example to the people in all that he does.
4. The unchanging nature of true worship as exemplified by the Prophets.
5. Tawheed is not acceptable without rejections of Shirk.
6. Rejection of the claim of Quraish in the days of ignorance that in practising their Shirk, they were following the religion of Ibrahim.
Relevance of This Verse to the Subject of Tawheed
That the verse proves that whoever exemplified these four attributes, has earned the right to Paradise, as did Ibrahim (as ), without reckoning or punishment.
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Allah (swt ), says:
” And those who live in awe for fear of their Rabb; And those who believe in the Signs of their Rabb, And those who join not anyone [in worship] as partners with their Rabb; And those who give that which they give [i.e. charity] with their hearts full of fear [whether their charity has been accepted or not], because they are sure to return to their Rabb” (Qur’an 23:57-60)
In these verses, Allah (swt ), describes the Believers by four of their attributes for which they deserve praise and commendation: They fear the punishment of their Rabb, they believe in the revealed Signs of Allah (swt ) and His natural Signs (the planets, the stars, the seasons, the animals, the birds, the plants etc.) which prove the existence of Him (swt ) and the truth of the Message of Muhammad (saas ); and they are guided by these Signs and do not associate partners with Allah (swt ), either openly, or secretly; and because of their strong faith, they fear that Allah (swt ) will not accept their charity and good deeds; and Allah (swt ) Testifies to their mutual rivalry in performing virtuous deeds, and He Informs us that they precede others in doing so.
The Benefits Derived From These Verses
1. The obligation to fear Allah.
2. The obligation of belief in the signs of Allah.
3. The forbiddance of Shirk in all its manifestations.
4. The concern of the Believers as to whether or not their deeds will be accepted.
5. The preferability of competing with others in the performance of good deeds.
Relevance of These Verses to the Subject of Tawheed
That the verses prove that whoever personifies these four attributes and purifies himself from Shirk which nullifies good deeds, will have the right to enter Paradise without a reckoning and without punishment because he has achieved the purest Tawheed and this is his reward.
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It is reported on the authority of Husain Ibn `Abdul-Rahmaan that he said: “I was with Sa’eed Ibn Jubair and he asked: “Who among you saw the shooting star last night?” I answered: “I saw it,” and I explained to him that I had not been at prayer, because I had been stung (by a scorpion). He asked: “Then what did you do?” “I used a ruqyah,”2 I replied. He said: “What made you do that?” I answered: “A Hadith I heard from Ash-Sh’abi.” He asked: “What did he tell you?” I said: “He reported from Buraidah Al-Husayyib, who said that ruqyah is not permitted except in two cases: “Al-’ain 3 and stings.” He said: “He who limits himself to what he has heard, has done well; but Ibn `Abbas (ra ) reported to us that the Prophet (saas ) said: “All the nations were made to pass before me, and I saw a Prophet (saas ) with a small group, and a Prophet (saas ) with only one or two men, and a Prophet (saas ) with none. Then there was shown to me a large number of people which I thought to be my Ummah, 4 but it was said to me: “This is Moosa (as ) and his people.” Then I looked and saw a huge crowd at which it was said to me: “These are your people: Among them are seventy thousand who will enter Paradise without a reckoning or punishment.” Then he (saas ) got up and went to his house, and the people began to discuss who they might be: Some of them said: “Perhaps they are the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (saas ); others said: “Perhaps they are the those who were born in Islam and have never associated any partners with Allah (swt ). While they were talking thus, the Messenger of Allah (saas ) came out and they informed him (about what they had been discussing). He (swt ) said: “They are those who do not treat themselves with ruqyah, nor practise treatment by cauterization, nor believe in good or bad omens – but depend upon and trust in their Rabb (Alone).” `Ukkashah Ibn Mihsan (ra ) stood up and said: “Ask Allah (swt ) for me that I be one of them.” He (swt ) said: “You are one of them.” Then another man stood and said: “Ask Allah (swt ) that I (also) be one of them.” He (saas ) said: “`Ukkashah has preceded you.” (Narrated by Bukhari and Muslim)
Husain Ibn `Abdul-Rahman (ra ) informs us of a discussion which took place between him and the Tabi’i,5 Sa’eed Ibn Jubair, concerning the use of ruqyah, due to the fact that Husain had been stung by a scorpion, for which he resorted to a ruqyah, in accordance with the Sunnah.6
When Sa’eed asked him for a proof for that, he informed him of the Hadith of Ash-Sh’abi which permits the use of ruqyah for the treatment of al-’ain and stings. Sa’eed praised him for his adherence to the Hadith, but related to him a Hadith which advocates rejection of ruqyah – the Hadith of Ibn `Abbas (ra ) which also mentions cauterization and belief in omens, and requires us to have complete trust in Allah (swt ), and depend upon Him (swt ), Alone; and says that when `Ukkashah (ra ) requested the Prophet (saas ) to ask Allah (swt ) to make him one of the seventy thousand who would enter Paradise without reckoning and without punishment, He (saas ) informed him that he was one of them, but when another man made the same request, the Messenger of Allah (swt ) gently, but firmly closed the door upon any further requests by saying: “`Ukkashah (ra ) has preceded you.”
Benefits Derived From This Hadith
1. That the Salaf 7 used to keep away from riyaa` and anything that might lead to it.
2. The obligation to ask for proof before accepting anything in the religion.
3. The permissibility of using ruqyah for al-’ain and stings, on condition that the ruqyah is of a kind endorsed by the Shari’ah8 – from the Qur’an or the authentic supplications of the Prophet (saas ) in the Arabic language.
4. The profound knowledge of the Salaf.
5. Acting in accordance with the Qur’an and the Sunnah takes precedence over all opinions.
6. The virtue of the Salaf and their good manners and politeness in passing on Islamic knowledge.
7. The disparity in the number of followers of one Prophet and another, and that some Prophets have no followers.
8. The number of followers a person may have is not necessarily an indication of the truth or falseness of the message.
9. The virtue of Moosa (as ) and his people.
10. The excellence of the Ummah of Muhammad (saas ) in comparison with other peoples.
11. The love of the Companions for all good deeds.
12. The permissibility of engaging in debate in religious matters.
13. Whoever possesses the four attributes mentioned in the Hadith, has perfected Tawheed and will enter Paradise.
14. The permissibility of asking virtuous persons to supplicate Allah (swt ) on our behalf.
15. That there is no contradiction between the Hadith of Ash-Sh’abi – which permits ruqyah when the conditions for its acceptance are met – and the Hadith of Ibn `Abbas (ra ) – which forbids ruqyah when those conditions are not met.
Relevance of This Hadith to the Subject of Tawheed
That the Hadith proves that whoever possessed the four attributes mentioned therein, has perfected Tawheed and will enter Paradise without reckoning or punishment.
http://msawest.net/islam/331–kitaab-at-tawheed-chapter-1-whoever-fulfilled-the-requirements-of-tawheed-
Hey Varja, here I am
Just imagine how can you achieve bliss of God/Allah when you believe in dirty concepts of deception? If you have guts come forward with your real Islamic name and debate or get lost
Al Taqiyya – thats what Allah’s momins have started resorting to now?
It appears that the image next to a username is tied to the email id. So, as long as one’s email id is unknown to the momins, we can verify who is posting by matching the image alongside.
@Vajra
Namaste brother Vajra,
I think it is the Yeah Me guy who was once caught on the Agniveer site by Agniveer Admin.
Brother Vik
People like Yeah Me are abundant in Madarsas! No wonder this person is another Yeah Me with same credentials
Yess, I agree
@Aslam Mirza:
@Aslam Mirza:
First convince holier-than-thou true followers of the Rasool Allah – Sunnis and Shias – that you Mirza Ghulam Ahmadiyas are human beings and not Kufrs. Then you can come here trying to proselytize us Kufrs.
You see, bro, I do want to avoid hell. Just want to know what correct fairly tale to believe in so as to get into heaven. I am afraid if I miss one tiny detail, Allah will just promptly thrown me into hell.
So, your position is Sunnis/Shias/etc are hell-bound and only Mirza Ghulam Ahmadiyas are heaven-bound?
@Vik: ‘Namaste Sshama, Sshama why are you proving all those stupid hadiths true which say that women have less intelligence????”
So that you knw a half intellignt person who is following the hadith can overcome full intelligent guys following a stone age book.
‘Where is your intelligence dear?? Bodybuilders in the gym even recommend taking STERIODS in other words, DRUGS to help build a healthy body, do you agree with that??”
Steroids are not so effective than natural proteins which you derive from non-veg food.
‘Tell me one thing, if non veg is good, then why all the biggest scientists like Einstein and Newton SUPPORT VEGETARIANISM???”
I never heard einstein or newton opposing non-veg food to be unhealthy. If they were vegetarians that is their personal choice. But nobody can criticise or force a non-veggy.
‘Do you mean to say your arab masters knew more than them??? Or are you really considering a stage performer like Zakir MBBS to really be a doctor??’
i never knew einstein or newton were MMBS docs.
‘None of my coaches ever told me to start eating meat because it has protein. On contrary, they told me to drink lots of milk which is a good source of protein.’
Protein shakes are starters in between meals. Or before or after workouts to supply you with required amount of proteins to supply fuel to your muscles for the workout. Even proteins shakes are good form of proteins which has to be prepared artificially from whey or casein. But when all sorts of proteins are present in natural meat or beef or breast chicken, whats the hype all about in consuming non-veg?
‘None of my coaches ever told me to start eating meat because it has protein.’
You need to change your coaches.
‘where i live (USA CANADA), all the gyms advise to drink protein SHAKE, which is 100% vegertarian made from milk.’
Change your gym coz now I know that you are being fooled. But thats not your problem coz you hindus have now developed a habit of getting fooled. And why not, coz you have a agelong history of being fooled by brahmins using vedas.
‘Nice try Sshama, but logically and luckily we got so much evidence against MEAT EATING that you cannot refute.’
That evidence did not work out on me. But use your evidence to remain a vegetarian,coz I dont have any problem for you being a veggie.
@sshama
Why did did not Allah give sharp & long teeth to Muslim brothers as teeth of dog & lion, if he want from Muslims to consume meet. I think Allah is wrong here, How wonderful it were if Allah would have provided sharp & long teeth as teeth of dog to Muslim brother.
@sshama
Brother Allah made the fool of Muslim. If he would have not created Saitan & Kufr like Vajra, Vik and many other, then there will never arise question on Islam. I think biggest faulty is Allah, he cheated the muslim by sending Kufr & Saitan.
@sshama
Brother one question, why Allah wants his worship? Why his one & last intention people worship him & for which he made this universe. Why he obsessed with worship?
Just one query, why is pork meat banned in Islam? The usual answer that is presented on almost all occasions is that pig is a dirty animal. Well, in that case, what about farm raised pigs? Are they edible? If no, then why?
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@Vik: ‘Namaste Sshama, Sshama why are you proving all those stupid hadiths true which say that women have less intelligence????”
So that you knw a half intellignt person who is following the hadith can overcome full intelligent guys following a stone age book.
‘Where is your intelligence dear?? Bodybuilders in the gym even recommend taking STERIODS in other words, DRUGS to help build a healthy body, do you agree with that??”
Steroids are not so effective than natural proteins which you derive from non-veg food.
‘Tell me one thing, if non veg is good, then why all the biggest scientists like Einstein and Newton SUPPORT VEGETARIANISM???”
I never heard einstein or newton opposing non-veg food to be unhealthy. If they were vegetarians that is their personal choice. But nobody can criticise or force a non-veggy.
‘Do you mean to say your arab masters knew more than them??? Or are you really considering a stage performer like Zakir MBBS to really be a doctor??’
i never knew einstein or newton were MMBS docs.
‘None of my coaches ever told me to start eating meat because it has protein. On contrary, they told me to drink lots of milk which is a good source of protein.’
Protein shakes are starters in between meals. Or before or after workouts to supply you with required amount of proteins to supply fuel to your muscles for the workout. Even proteins shakes are good form of proteins which has to be prepared artificially from whey or casein. But when all sorts of proteins are present in natural meat or beef or breast chicken, whats the hype all about in consuming non-veg?
‘None of my coaches ever told me to start eating meat because it has protein.’
You need to change your coaches.
‘where i live (USA CANADA), all the gyms advise to drink protein SHAKE, which is 100% vegertarian made from milk.’
Change your gym coz now I know that you are being fooled. But thats not your problem coz you hindus have now developed a habit of getting fooled. And why not, coz you have a agelong history of being fooled by brahmins using vedas.
‘Nice try Sshama, but logically and luckily we got so much evidence against MEAT EATING that you cannot refute.’
That evidence did not work out on me. But use your evidence to remain a vegetarian,coz I dont have any problem for you being a veggie.
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Sshama, if you want to derive protein from meat, why not eat your own family members since you seem to be fanatic and do not value animal life?? Human flesh provides far more protein than animal flesh, so why not eat that?? Sure, it will also get digested too..Every animal out there is concscious and wants to live the same way you do too.
Why should I change my gym, just because your islam and mullahs are getting exposed by true scientific facts??? Sshama, by the way I have vegetarian friends who are extreme body builders now please tell me, if meat eating is the only way to gain muscles, then how did my friends gain huge muscles????? This proves your theory wrong my dear.
Albert Einstein’s proof is here, read the logo and his words and see why is he against non veg, oh yeah NON VEG is one of the causes for GLOBAL WARMING YOU KNOW THAT?
check out the proof here:
http://agniveer.com/3441/vedas-and-vegetarianism/
Moreover, why are they launching campaigns in countries like Canada and USA (especially western countries like these) to promote Vegetarianism???? Are these people stupid???
Sshama, I advise you to use common sense, and not blindly follow some mullah like Zakir Bhai MBBS who supports terrorism and should be prosecuted anytime down the road for his disgusting acts.
If you want to understand Islam and its teachings please read history of mansoor al hillaz – sufi saint killed by Muslims because he dare to say ‘an haluq.i am truth or am bramh.
Sshama, if you want to derive protein from meat, why not eat your own family members since you seem to be fanatic and do not value animal life?? Human flesh provides far more protein than animal flesh, so why not eat that?? Sure, it will also get digested too..Every animal out there is concscious and wants to live the same way you do too.
Why should I change my gym, just because your islam and mullahs are getting exposed by true scientific facts??? Sshama, by the way I have vegetarian friends who are extreme body builders now please tell me, if meat eating is the only way to gain muscles, then how did my friends gain huge muscles????? This proves your theory wrong my dear.
Albert Einstein’s proof is here, read the logo and his words and see why is he against non veg, oh yeah NON VEG is one of the causes for GLOBAL WARMING YOU KNOW THAT?
check out the proof here:
http://agniveer.com/3441/vedas-and-vegetarianism/
Moreover, why are they launching campaigns in countries like Canada and USA (especially western countries like these) to promote Vegetarianism???? Are these people stupid???
Sshama, I advise you to use common sense, and not blindly follow some mullah like Zakir Bhai MBBS who supports terrorism and should be prosecuted anytime down the road for his disgusting acts.
@Vik: ‘Sshama, if you want to derive protein from meat, why not eat your own family members ”
From your suggestion it seems it is very easy to eat ones family members and it seems that you are practicing this act. Then I should be amazed why cant we humans adopt cannibalism to protect animals.Afterall its so very simple …right???. Then what is the reason that civilized human society has not turned to cannibalism yet. Think over it…..You know the reason.
‘since you seem to be fanatic and do not value animal life??”
Its not me who is fanatic, but you. Coz I am eating veg as well as non-veg. But its you who is stressing and forcing others to consume only veg. As far as valuing animal life is concerned, first you value plant life and then I will value animal life. Can you live without consuming plant life and can you breath wothout killing living beings. Answer is a big NO. So try to understand human realities and WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF PRACTICALITY. We are not living in alice in wonderland.
‘Human flesh provides far more protein than animal flesh’
Provide the proof.
‘Every animal out there is concscious and wants to live the same way you do too.’
Apply it for the entire animal and plant kingdom. Even organisms are animals. When God has not created us to live without killing lives, why are you forcing others to adopt your point of view? Only coz you can see blood and voice of animals. But what about those whom we cannot see feel. Juat coz we cannot hear their screams and cannot see their blood is it justified to kill them?? Infact we should be more kind towards them and stop eating them. My point is towards low level animals and plants.
‘Sshama, by the way I have vegetarian friends who are extreme body builders now please tell me, if meat eating is the only way to gain muscles, then how did my friends gain huge muscles????? This proves your theory wrong my dear.
First of all I have never told that meat eating is the only way to build the body. Those vegetarian bodybuilders would had build up more muscles or build up the same muscles but within lesser time, had they adopted non-veg eating regime. My theory is not ‘meat eating is the only way to gain muscle’ my theory is ‘meat eating will surely build up more muscles than veg food’. My point is very simple, non-veg food is not prohibited by religions and taking non-veg or veg food is completely personal choice. In some places like west bengal , malaysia , japan , china , philippines they consume fish in abundance. You cant force them to stop eating fish and start importing vegetables and grains. Hinduism has really pushed you guys to the world of wonderland. Stop acting like an ostrich and raise your head to see the world around. There are many places in the world where it is extremely difficult to grow grains and vegetables but meat/fish are easily available.
‘Albert Einstein’s proof is here, read the logo and his words and see why is he against non veg, oh yeah NON VEG is one of the causes for GLOBAL WARMING YOU KNOW THAT?’
Why should I see einstein’s veiw. He was not a MBBS doc afterall. Similarly I can show you a hundreds of sceintists who were non-veg. Global warming is due to cutting of trees and plant kingdom which increases CO2 content in the atmosphere.
‘Moreover, why are they launching campaigns in countries like Canada and USA (especially western countries like these) to promote Vegetarianism???? Are these people stupid???’
Western countries also promote nudism , homosexuality , incest , smoking , alcoholism , atheism etc. Why you dont follow all such stupid promotions too by your white masters?
‘Sshama, I advise you to use common sense, and not blindly follow some mullah like Zakir Bhai MBBS who supports terrorism and should be prosecuted anytime down the road for his disgusting acts.’
Vik, I am already using common sense and thats why I admire Dr. Zakir. I advise you to shun the deep rooted prejudice and grudge you are having against muslims, so that you come close to truth and common sense.
@Sshama
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sister Sshama, if I am a vegetarian, how could i eat human flesh? For your kind information cannabalism did take place historically in some parts of Europe and Africa. I agree with you eating human flesh is not a civilized society. But so does animals. I
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I am not forcing people to eat veg, I am simply telling them the benefits. I live in North America and non veg here is consumed widely in one form or the other. Non Veg food makes people vulnerable to many diseases, and the biggest proof is the rise of hospital rates. I do know doctors who are MD and they tell me that more than 85% of their patients are non veg.
Now, coming to plants, ok I agree with you we cannot hear them cry or speak, but tell me, do you ever see them repel while you slaughter them??? When you slaughter a chicken, you can feel that chicken resisting you trying to escape, this proves that the chicken has a concious soul that makes it feel “I am a chicken”, whereas when I chop a carrot, I do not see a carrot resisting away from me. Plants do not have concious souls in them that say “I am a carrot” or “I am a mango tree”. When we say things have life it simply means chemical reactions. Yes, plants and organisms have life, not in the sense of humans and animals, but in the sense of chemical reactions. By the scientific defintion of life, even a computer, metal, and a pencil have a life too.
Moreover, you and Naik are extremely stupid to compare plants to animals. The obvious proof is that if I cut a portion of a plant, it can grow back again, Whereas if I cut a portion of your body or my body, or an animal’s body it will NOT grow back. Same is the case with organisms, if I cut a parmecia into half, they both regenerate into different bodies, but not die. These are common logical facts that idiots like Naik do not know. Furthermore, plants do not have blood like we and animals do. Moreover, did you scientifically animals and humans are classified under ANIMALIA??? Why not Plants??? Please go study your science and do not consider a terrorist like Naik ur science teacher who only speaks this nonsense in the name of science and who only knows that 2+2=4 for math. For geography, all he knows earth is flat. That is the education of Naik.
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Ok, Sshama, so far I have seen your stupidity in science and common sense, but now you even expose your stupidity in mathematics as well. No wonder, you are a follower of Naik, I do not blame you but merely sympathize you. How can people eating meat develop faster muscles then people eating Veg???
Muscle intake is somewhat about the quantity of protein. Suppose you need 700g of protein for a specific quantity of muscle, either you get those from eating animal flesh (dont recommend) or you get those from veg food like (beans, soy, grams, recommended), you would make the same amount of muscles, so im saying its not about speed, its about quantity of intakes. Whoever takes the required quantity of protein first wins the race, its not about meat or vegg, its about protein, I hope you get this through your head. By the way, I have seen veg body builders built within in 90 days, but have not seen a meat eater this fast yet. Even if there is, Im sure any veg person can counter it by eating the same amount of protein and doing the same exercise cuz i said its about quantity not speed.
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Ya, I agree with you, why would want to follow a Real Scientist when all you know is to follow a fake MBBS terrorist Zakir Naik. Your response to my questions reflects how good your knowledge is in science and in math. By the way, Naik is only an MBBS, all the knowledge I am giving you are from MDs, and you should know that MDs have a higher rank in knowledge than MBBSs. Einstein discovered scientific facts, which people like Naik studied to get their degree unless Naik bribed to get his degree (which I guess he did, since grade nine science students have more knowledge than him).
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Sure, also show me which famous scientists converted to islam, since muslims are still searching today, to justify this stupid allegation, LOL
The scientists I know were famous and were vegetarians, wanna know who they were:
Einstein
Sir Isaac Newton
Nikola Tesla
Leonardo Devinci
Sshama, Einstein and Newton were considered the biggest scientists of all time and many good ones, Now you tell me, were they stupid to be vegetarians? There must have been a reason why those chose vegeterianism. Please think.
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Yes, I agree, at least you know something, but I said meat eating was one of the reasons for global warming, I NEVER SAID IT IS THE ONLY REASON FOR GLOBAL WARMING.
meat eating, pollution, many things lead to global warming,
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yes I agree they promote these stupid things. My point is that since you believe hinduism is the only thing that inflicts vegetarianism, I am saying the western countries do not follow hinduism yet they are endorsing vegetarianism, how is that possible and what is the reason for that , kindly tell me???
Sshama, I advise you to study books of science written by real scientists like Einstein Newton, etc, and not IRF or Zakir Science. After reading real science books, you will realize who was in wonderland and who was in reality of the science world.
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sister Sshama, if I am a vegetarian, how could i eat human flesh? For your kind information cannabalism did take place historically in some parts of Europe and Africa. I agree with you eating human flesh is not a civilized society. But so does animals. I
I am not forcing people to eat veg, I am simply telling them the benefits. I live in North America and non veg here is consumed widely in one form or the other. Non Veg food makes people vulnerable to many diseases, and the biggest proof is the rise of hospital rates. I do know doctors who are MD and they tell me that more than 85% of their patients are non veg.
Now, coming to plants, ok I agree with you we cannot hear them cry or speak, but tell me, do you ever see them repel while you slaughter them??? When you slaughter a chicken, you can feel that chicken resisting you trying to escape, this proves that the chicken has a concious soul that makes it feel “I am a chicken”, whereas when I chop a carrot, I do not see a carrot resisting away from me. Plants do not have concious souls in them that say “I am a carrot” or “I am a mango tree”. When we say things have life it simply means chemical reactions. Yes, plants and organisms have life, not in the sense of humans and animals, but in the sense of chemical reactions. By the scientific defintion of life, even a computer, metal, and a pencil have a life too.
Moreover, you and Naik are extremely stupid to compare plants to animals. The obvious proof is that if I cut a portion of a plant, it can grow back again, Whereas if I cut a portion of your body or my body, or an animal’s body it will NOT grow back. Same is the case with organisms, if I cut a parmecia into half, they both regenerate into different bodies, but not die. These are common logical facts that idiots like Naik do not know. Furthermore, plants do not have blood like we and animals do. Moreover, did you scientifically animals and humans are classified under ANIMALIA??? Why not Plants??? Please go study your science and do not consider a terrorist like Naik ur science teacher who only speaks this nonsense in the name of science and who only knows that 2+2=4 for math. For geography, all he knows earth is flat. That is the education of Naik.
Ok, Sshama, so far I have seen your stupidity in science and common sense, but now you even expose your stupidity in mathematics as well. No wonder, you are a follower of Naik, I do not blame you but merely sympathize you. How can people eating meat develop faster muscles then people eating Veg???
Muscle intake is somewhat about the quantity of protein. Suppose you need 700g of protein for a specific quantity of muscle, either you get those from eating animal flesh (dont recommend) or you get those from veg food like (beans, soy, grams, recommended), you would make the same amount of muscles, so im saying its not about speed, its about quantity of intakes. Whoever takes the required quantity of protein first wins the race, its not about meat or vegg, its about protein, I hope you get this through your head. By the way, I have seen veg body builders built within in 90 days, but have not seen a meat eater this fast yet. Even if there is, Im sure any veg person can counter it by eating the same amount of protein and doing the same exercise cuz i said its about quantity not speed.
Ya, I agree with you, why would want to follow a Real Scientist when all you know is to follow a fake MBBS terrorist Zakir Naik. Your response to my questions reflects how good your knowledge is in science and in math. By the way, Naik is only an MBBS, all the knowledge I am giving you are from MDs, and you should know that MDs have a higher rank in knowledge than MBBSs. Einstein discovered scientific facts, which people like Naik studied to get their degree unless Naik bribed to get his degree (which I guess he did, since grade nine science students have more knowledge than him).
Sure, also show me which famous scientists converted to islam, since muslims are still searching today, to justify this stupid allegation, LOL
The scientists I know were famous and were vegetarians, wanna know who they were:
Einstein
Sir Isaac Newton
Nikola Tesla
Leonardo Devinci
Sshama, Einstein and Newton were considered the biggest scientists of all time and many good ones, Now you tell me, were they stupid to be vegetarians? There must have been a reason why those chose vegeterianism. Please think.
Yes, I agree, at least you know something, but I said meat eating was one of the reasons for global warming, I NEVER SAID IT IS THE ONLY REASON FOR GLOBAL WARMING.
meat eating, pollution, many things lead to global warming,
yes I agree they promote these stupid things. My point is that since you believe hinduism is the only thing that inflicts vegetarianism, I am saying the western countries do not follow hinduism yet they are endorsing vegetarianism, how is that possible and what is the reason for that , kindly tell me???
Sshama, I advise you to study books of science written by real scientists like Einstein Newton, etc, and not IRF or Zakir Science. After reading real science books, you will realize who was in wonderland and who was in reality of the science world.
@Vik: ‘sister Sshama, if I am a vegetarian, how could i eat human flesh? For your kind information cannabalism did take place historically in some parts of Europe and Africa. I agree with you eating human flesh is not a civilized society. But so does animals. ‘
All civilized societies in history had non-veg food but cannibalism is only linked with uncivilized societies. And morever foundations of human society will crumble down if cannibalism is adopted.
‘I do know doctors who are MD and they tell me that more than 85% of their patients are non veg.’
Also there are MDs who claim that hospitals are filled with patients suffering from typhoid , jaundice , cholera , malaria. These are caused by consuming a vegetarian drink i.e water. So will you ban water. No. And just try to find out how many patients have diseases from vegetarian food, you will know the statistics better.
‘When you slaughter a chicken, you can feel that chicken resisting you trying to escape, this proves that the chicken has a concious soul that makes it feel “I am a chicken”, whereas when I chop a carrot, I do not see a carrot resisting away from me. ‘
That is what i the point. Both vegetables and animals have life. But the pain of animals can be felt and heard and not of plant life. But that doesnt give us the licence to kill plant life just for the dsake of your taste budds. If their pain and screams are inaudible to you, does that mean you will kill them? Plants have life and they can feel pain just like animals do. They may have less senses than animals but that doesnt justify their killing, infact a less sensible organism should be taken more care of. Just how a mother takes more care of her child who is deaf and blind, and she will never discard him/her just coz he/she has some senses less.
‘ if I cut a portion of a plant, it can grow back again, Whereas if I cut a portion of your body or my body, or an animal’s body it will NOT grow back’
If you uproot a tree, it cannot be regrown. If you eat domestic animals like cow , goats still you find they are not extinct. Their species are restored in the nature so that we can consume them whenever required. So respect the decison of nature and relax, nobody is forcing you to take meat or beef. If your stone age book says cow is god, dont eat it please, but dont force others into accepting your stupid beliefs.
‘ The obvious proof is that if I cut a portion of a plant, it can grow back again, ‘
So what? Do you mean to cut a plant every now and then to satisfy your taste buds just coz it will regrow. So you will make a thousand cuts on a living being just to ensure that it will not die. Then better make a big cut and kill it one time rather than killing it thousand times. This reminds me of a hollywood thriller flick: ‘wolf creek’ in which the villain cuts his victims to death.
‘How can people eating meat develop faster muscles then people eating Veg???
Muscle intake is somewhat about the quantity of protein. Suppose you need 700g of protein for a specific quantity of muscle’
My point is a small quantity non-veg food will give you 700 grmas as compared to a huge quanitty of veg food. So non-veg i comparatively more effective than veg food as far as givinh proteins i concerned ad developing body i concerend.
‘By the way, I have seen veg body builders built within in 90 days,’
The same body builders would had made still better body had they included non-veg food in their eating regime. Coz if they take same amount of food then non-veg food can provide them more energy (point to be noted by non-veg food i mean both veg as well as non-veg.) If you mjix the required proportion of veg and non-veg food it will definitely give you far more benefits than only veg food. And if you are comparing the highest protein source among veg food it is soya, but for your inofrmation it doesnt come even close to the proteins you get from meat or chicken.
And for your information there is a great level of difference in the quality of proteins you get from veg food and non-veg food.
‘show me which famous scientists converted to islam’
Just google or youtube you will find hundreds. But none you will find who converted to arya samaj.
Sister Sshama, If I am not wrong, you had once commented on theintellectual.info and asked Mushafiq bhai something. are you the same person? Now he has a separate website to deal with these people http://www.islamhinduism.com/ Do check it out.
@Abdullah
Abdullah, looks like you are a frequent visitor of that site. You may have seen how badly people like Apolloreach, Indian Agnostic, and Kalbhariv and few others torn those artilces apart. Kindly tell your boss to remove those articles because each of them is refuted right under the comments section.
@Shama
===All civilized societies in history had non-veg food but cannibalism is only linked with uncivilized societies. And morever foundations of human society will crumble down if cannibalism is adopted.===
All?? I dont remember India having a non veg society in history???
=====Also there are MDs who claim that hospitals are filled with patients suffering from typhoid , jaundice , cholera , malaria. These are caused by consuming a vegetarian drink i.e water. So will you ban water. No. And just try to find out how many patients have diseases from vegetarian food, you will know the statistics better.====
Its not water that gave them these diseases but CONTAMINATED WATER, ther are many reasons why water is contaminated today but to large extent its the fault of all of us for careless water treatment. You havent answered my question, my question is that if you are justifying non veg food, then were scientitsts like Einstein Da Vinci Newton STUPID?????????? All the MD docs you can think of today studied scientific facts dervied from these great scientists, I am sure if meat eating was right then these scientists would have said so. Maybe you only understand Madarsa science so this is why these highly intellectual facts cannot be understood by you.
Whatever diseases you listed………the list of diseases gained by non veg food is 100 times larger so large that you would spend months reading my response. Let me name a few, all types of heart diseases, obesity, and so on.
====”That is what i the point. Both vegetables and animals have life. But the pain of animals can be felt and heard and not of plant life. But that doesnt give us the licence to kill plant life just for the dsake of your taste budds. If their pain and screams are inaudible to you, does that mean you will kill them? Plants have life and they can feel pain just like animals do. They may have less senses than animals but that doesnt justify their killing, infact a less sensible organism should be taken more care of. Just how a mother takes more care of her child who is deaf and blind, and she will never discard him/her just coz he/she has some senses less.”========
Your examples are far stupid then Zakir Mbbs examples. There is a difference between a plant and a deaf child. A deaf child has a soul inside him which makes him feel “I am a human being, I am deaf, my mother is helping me”, whereas plants do not have such souls. NO worries, go on and ask your stupid questions, its entertaining for me as well as others on this site. We always watch Naik’s lecture for comedy shows, and henceforth we will use ur comments as well.
Moreover, Animals and Humans are from the SAME SCIENTIFIC CLASS OF ANIMALIA. IN FACT HUMANS R FORMS OF ANIMALS. Now you tell me is it good to eat your own mate??? Plants do not come under this class, and they do not even have blood and nervous systems.
====If you uproot a tree, it cannot be regrown. If you eat domestic animals like cow , goats still you find they are not extinct. Their species are restored in the nature so that we can consume them whenever required. So respect the decison of nature and relax, nobody is forcing you to take meat or beef. If your stone age book says cow is god, dont eat it please, but dont force others into accepting your stupid beliefs====
Hahaha, if I uproot a tree, I cannot regrow it???Which part of the universe are you living in dear?? Coincidently, I just uprooted a tree last week, my mother told me to transfer its location, so I dug the ground uprooted it, and then planted it on a different location, and it is doing pretty well.
One more thing, as time grows, humans and animals tend to get weaker but trees get stronger. This is why you would see 1000 year old trees nice and huge and strong compared to the recent ones, so you are proven wrong here.
=== If you eat domestic animals like cow , goats still you find they are not extinct=====
Hahaha………..another joke said by miss Sshama, Sshama why dont you try becoming a comedian, you cannot give people knowledge but at least make them laugh with these jokes.
Which other idiot told you BESIDES ZAKIR NAIK, that domestic animals like cow chicken ARE NOT EXTINCT?????
please read this link from BBC news and see where your non veg based on stupid beliefs (Nothing is more stupider than Quran) is leading you people
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/farmanimals1.html
======So what? Do you mean to cut a plant every now and then to satisfy your taste buds just coz it will regrow. So you will make a thousand cuts on a living being just to ensure that it will not die. Then better make a big cut and kill it one time rather than killing it thousand times. This reminds me of a hollywood thriller flick: ‘wolf creek’ in which the villain cuts his victims to death.=====
So what? So you got to understand that this is a major DIFERENCE BETWEEN PLANTS AND ANIMALS
Plants do not have blood nervous system, moreover they can regrow, whereas animals dont. By your stupid logic, even a computer, table, metal feel pain, now you tell me, can these things have souls within them???? Scienfific life is based on chemical reactions, not the conciouss life. Science itself is unable to explain the origin of concsiousnes so how will it tell who feels pain in a consciouss state and who doesnt????????? Please use common sense.
Moreover, even if I agree with you its beneficient to eat animas by your MADARSA science stupid knowledge, then logically you fail. Here is why. Suppose one animals eats thousands of plants, then that animal is eaten by one or max ten people. Whereas if directly ate the plants, we would be able to feed more people. If one animal (millions of plants )can feed ten people, then those plants itself can DIRECTLY FEED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. So miss sshama its better to feed more people than just ten.
========My point is a small quantity non-veg food will give you 700 grmas as compared to a huge quanitty of veg food. So non-veg i comparatively more effective than veg food as far as givinh proteins i concerned ad developing body i concerend.============
Although this is crap, but why educate you scientifically when you want to continue to follow Madarsa terrorists like Naik??? So I will enlighten you logically instead. Ok for the sake of argument, lets agree with you. Now, by ur logic, little animal flesh will give same protein than large quantities of veggie foods, so by this logic, why not even take a smaller piece of human flesh and gain the same quantitiy of protein than meat?????
There is always shortcut in bad things. So why not leave our regular jobs which will give us millions in ten years, and rob a bank today to get millions directly today????
=======The same body builders would had made still better body had they included non-veg food in their eating regime. Coz if they take same amount of food then non-veg food can provide them more energy (point to be noted by non-veg food i mean both veg as well as non-veg.) If you mjix the required proportion of veg and non-veg food it will definitely give you far more benefits than only veg food. And if you are comparing the highest protein source among veg food it is soya, but for your inofrmation it doesnt come even close to the proteins you get from meat or chicken.===============================
Nope, had they took non veg food, they would make themselves vulnerable to diseases. One more thing, today they have protein shakes which are 100% vegetarian and can provide far more protein than any meat, so why dont you get that straight.
You are just proven wrong Sshama, the main motive was to make muscles, now they have fully made muscles so that throws your argument out of the window, sorry……please try giving a better excuse next time. Naik science doesnt work in this site………the kids in our society are PHDs compared to Naik, so now you look where your Naik stands.
===================for your inofrmation it doesnt come even close to the proteins you get from meat or chicken==============
again wrong dear, google search chickpeas and see how much protein they hold, soya combined with milk, there is always a fixed amount of protein one takes in per day, so it doesnt matter what are the sources, as long as we get all we need.
Ok, for a second, let us agree with you, that vegg protein doesnt come close to meat protein, then I will say animal meat protein does NOT come close to human flesh protein………….SO SHOULD WE START EATING HUMANS?????? I THINK WE SHOULD EAT PEOPLE LIKE NAIK, BUT NO, IF WE DO THAT WE WOULD ALL BECOME MADARSA IDIOTS LIKE HIM.
==========Just google or youtube you will find hundreds. But none you will find who converted to arya samaj.=================
I googled and saw no famous scientists. The scientists shown there are unheard of. I am a science profession and I never heard of such scientists, maybe they are fakes hired by people like Naik.
I never heard of Einstein or Newton or Galileo becoming muslim………….did you?????????????????
Guess what……………NASA once invtied VEDIC SCHOLARS to solve mysteries of the universe, now you tell me, why did NASA invite Vedic Scholars AND NOT Islamic Scholars??????????
what does that tell you about Vedas…………………………..any replies??????????????????
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o non-muslim what happen on you that no convert to islam
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@SDC: ‘Just one query, why is pork meat banned in Islam? The usual answer that is presented on almost all occasions is that pig is a dirty animal. Well, in that case, what about farm raised pigs? Are they edible? If no, then why?’
A Dog raised up in cats will never forget to bark.
@truthseeker: ‘Why did did not Allah give sharp & long teeth to Muslim brothers as teeth of dog & lion, if he want from Muslims to consume meet. I think Allah is wrong here, How wonderful it were if Allah would have provided sharp & long teeth as teeth of dog to Muslim brother.’
Coz Allah dosnt want humans to eat only meet. He has given humans sharp teeth like carniverous animals and flat teeth like herbiverous animals to consume all types of food. Allah wants humans to consume both veg and non-veg, and not only just swing on one extreme consuming only meat or other extreme consuming only veg food. Coz swinging to any extreme will bring extremism and Allah dislikes extremism.
‘Brother Allah made the fool of Muslim. If he would have not created Saitan & Kufr like Vajra, Vik and many other, then there will never arise question on Islam. I think biggest faulty is Allah, he cheated the muslim by sending Kufr & Saitan.’
Allah created humans , jinns , iblees etc to worship and love him. But if shaitan and kaafirs like vajra,vik etc disobey Allah the punishment is hell. If you mean that why did Allah create shaytan and kafirs as it would obstruct the growth of Islam, then better be informed that Islam has no fear of the creation of shaytan or kafirs, it is Gods true religion and God will take care of it.
The question paper is given in equal rights to all the students present in examination hall irrespective of merit students or dumb students. Only the final marks will decide the results. Whether pass or fail.
‘again wrong dear, google search chickpeas and see how much protein they hold, soya combined with milk, there is always a fixed amount of protein one takes in per day, so it doesnt matter what are the sources, as long as we get all we need.’
THere is lot of difference between the proteins derived from non-veg food and veg food not only in quantity but also in quality.
@Vik: All?? I dont remember India having a non veg society in history???
India was always a non-veg society. There are hundreds of historians (national/international) who hold an otherwise opinion. Just refer the following verses.
law of Manu, Ch. No. 5, Verse No. 30 , Manusmriti, Ch. No. 5, Verse No. 31, Mamusmriti, Ch. No. 5, Verse No. 42.
Ch. No. 5, Verse No. 35
Rigved, Book No. 10, Hymn No. 85, Verse No. 13 – Rigved, Book No. 10, Hymn No. 86, Verse No. 13,
Mahabharat – Anushashan Parva, Ch. 88, if you read Bhisma gives the advice to Yudhistar.
Manusmriti, Ch. No. 3, Verse No. 266 to 272
‘Its not water that gave them these diseases but CONTAMINATED WATER’
Exactly, just coz contaminated water gives us so many diseases, can you ban water? Does that ring any bell?
‘my question is that if you are justifying non veg food, then were scientitsts like Einstein Da Vinci Newton STUPID?????????? ‘
I dont follow einstein or newton or davinci…..I follow medical science, and einstein etall were not medical docs and neither were they specialist dieticians and neither do their vegetarian theories appear in any medical text book as often as their physics theories appearing in physics text books. The day when their vegetarian theories will be published in medical university text books, I will give it a heed. So dont worry!
‘All the MD docs you can think of today studied scientific facts dervied from these great scientists’
I never knew mecial docs studied medicine from einstein or newton.
‘I am sure if meat eating was right then these scientists would have said so. ‘
What wrong they told about being a non-veg?
‘Whatever diseases you listed………the list of diseases gained by non veg food is 100 times larger so large that you would spend months reading my response. Let me name a few, all types of heart diseases, obesity, and so on.’
I can only laugh at this. Heart disease is caused mostly by alcoholislm and smoking. Alcoholism and smoking both are veg diets.
‘There is a difference between a plant and a deaf child. A deaf child has a soul inside him which makes him feel “I am a human being, I am deaf, my mother is helping me”, whereas plants do not have such souls’
Both plant and animal life have souls and can feel pain.
‘Animals and Humans are from the SAME SCIENTIFIC CLASS OF ANIMALIA. IN FACT HUMANS R FORMS OF ANIMALS. Now you tell me is it good to eat your own mate??? Plants do not come under this class’
So what plants come atleast in the category of living beings. Even from that sense they are our mates.
‘Hahaha, if I uproot a tree, I cannot regrow it???’
I meant if we uproot a tree, the tree cannot grow by itself.
‘One more thing, as time grows, humans and animals tend to get weaker but trees get stronger. This is why you would see 1000 year old trees nice and huge and strong compared to the recent ones, so you are proven wrong here.’
It doesnt mean trees grow strong by age. It means trees have a longer age than animals and humans. So whats the point, does that make trees lifeless.
Which other idiot told you BESIDES ZAKIR NAIK, that domestic animals like cow chicken ARE NOT EXTINCT?????’
I dont say domestic animals will never go extinct. But as compared to carniverous animals they are negligible. If some domestic animals are getting extinct its just some specific breed in the species, but exticntion of the very species is very rare as compared to carniverous animals. If we start eating or hunting lions/tigers they will definitely go extinct immediately, but domestic animals are being consumed by humans for food but never did cows, goats, etc went extinct.
‘Moreover, even if I agree with you its beneficient to eat animas by your MADARSA science stupid knowledge, then logically you fail. Here is why. Suppose one animals eats thousands of plants, then that animal is eaten by one or max ten people. Whereas if directly ate the plants, we would be able to feed more people. If one animal (millions of plants )can feed ten people, then those plants itself can DIRECTLY FEED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. So miss sshama its better to feed more people than just ten.’
Suppose one animals eats thousand plants, sure the animal is consumed by ten people. Whereas if humans directly eat plant they will be able to feed more people. Sure, you are right….thats why muslims eat both plants and animals. From plants they feed thousand people, and then they even eat the animals so that they can feed ten more. So in all they are able to feed thousand and ten people as compareed to only thousand if eat only plants. There is one more option kill all domestic animals so that they cannot share plants with us and all the plants will be available for sole human consumption. What say?
‘why not even take a smaller piece of human flesh and gain the same quantitiy of protein than meat?????’
You are having a wrong comparison. You are asking humans society to become cannibalistic. If a young man want to build up his body by consuming a good intake of proteins. He has two options, to eat meat or kill his family members. Which option is more logical. You know the answer. Be practical and pls dont jump to alienstations however your stone age book provokes you to do the same. But afterall you are followinf hinduism, so what more we can expect from you, that you make a woman a goddess or worst than animal. You will swing from one extreme to other but will never follow a middle path.
‘There is always shortcut in bad things. So why not leave our regular jobs which will give us millions in ten years, and rob a bank today to get millions directly today????’
Robbing a bank will land you up in jail in almost all countries. But theres not a single country in the whole world which will put you behind bars for consuming non-veg. On the contrary they are many countries where veg food like alcohol , smoking are banned and also kesri dal is banned in some regions of north india and kesri dal is veg food.
‘Nope, had they took non veg food, they would make themselves vulnerable to diseases. One more thing, today they have protein shakes which are 100% vegetarian and can provide far more protein than any meat, so why dont you get that straight.’
Why dont you get that staraight that meat/chicken dishes are the key dishes for bodybuilding. Protein shakes are starters before and after workouts. I dont ignore protein shakes but even meat/chicken/tuna/beef dishes are never to be ignored for body development. It is you who is prejudicely ignoring non-veg dishes in bodybuilding diet. Visit some bodybuilding websites your illusion will evaporate. Show me a single bodybuilding official website which advises to completely ignore non-veg dishes for bodybuilding.
Check out the bodybuilding diet of bodybuilders like arnold , jay cuttler , ronnie coleman etc. They will laugh at your suggestion of prohibiting nonveg food for bodybuilding. On the contrary instructors strictly suggest non-veg food for bodybuilders.
‘You are just proven wrong Sshama, the main motive was to make muscles, now they have fully made muscles so that throws your argument out of the window, sorry……please try giving a better excuse next time. Naik science doesnt work in this site………the kids in our society are PHDs compared to Naik, so now you look where your Naik stands.’
The main motive is to make muscles and thats why non-veg food is more effective for making muscles. If someone take hundred years to make muscles by consuming strict veg food so does that mean only veg food is essential for bodybuilding and no-veg food is bad for health. If a student has topped the class by studying under street lamp does that mean all students should leave their homes and go to streets. Hope you got it!!!
‘I googled and saw no famous scientists. The scientists shown there are unheard of. I am a science profession and I never heard of such scientists, maybe they are fakes hired by people like Naik’
They are fake for you and not for others. Whatever!! I have never heard of even the fake scientists coming in arya samaj.
Mr Sikander,
The Government and law are created by Human,so it may not bane.
If u analyze the natural law (by God), he created us as a pure Herbivorous.
I invite you to follow the same (The Vedas), which is the first and final word of God.
Rest are Adulterated as per human needs.(Ex:Islam which claims that God support meat eating)
Please visit following link and conclude human are Pure Herbivorous
http://www.earthsave.ca/files/anatomy.pdf
For further analysis read http://agniveer.com/destiny-in-islam/
@sds : very informative pdf
http://www.earthsave.ca/files/anatomy.pdf
; its a must read.
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miyan!! lagta hai aap kahin galti se yaha aa gaye!!
jaiye madarse mein bethiye yahan padhe likhon ki jamat mein aapka kya kaam??
@mythinking
I am not agent of CIA who is paid to work against muslims. I am working against muslims of my own free will and without charge for FREE!!!
this is the way people abuse
READ VEDAS
As-salaam,
I am back and surprise to see you fools are still running this websites?I thought you must have got some wisdom but i think Bhagwan is not interested in you people….
Someone above said “jaiye madarse mein bethiye yahan padhe likhon ki jamat mein aapka kya kaam??”
well education has nothing to do with wisdom and commonsense and this person himself is not well educated it seems..
I pray you people get the hidaya from Allah and embrace ISLAM(peace,shanti) – Ameen
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————am back and surprise to see you fools are still running this websites?————
o really welcome back… even this site has been divided in other site…(that specially for other religions)
http://satyagni.com
the thing that brings you back here is same thing that bring other thousands of people on this site and you know it is only logic and reasoning which really satisfies you sometimes atleast !!
—————well education has nothing to do with wisdom and commonsense—————-
well the in vedic dharma with education we always mean gaining wisdom,, increasing common sense, and etiquette of having a health discussion…. here all this comes in education only.
the person above that comment was weak in those etiquettes ..
@Muin
As Salaam = Namaskar
It is very sad that our Indian brother forget their sanskirty completely even for greeting they use foreign word like As-salaam, it is the matter of great concern they forget Namaskar or Namste related to their grate sanskrity of Veda. Why did they leave their vedic tradition? Why do They not love to their nation, culture, languages.What can we expect from the people like Jakir Naik who want to destroy Indian culture, mother of all Language e.i. Sanskrit.What do we find wrong in Vedic culture, if vedic culture up to the mark why we need adopt culture of foreigner. Why we need to convert, if we have already following grate Vedic culture much advance than Arab and devoid of superstitions & rituals like bowing head before stone building, or kissing the stone etc many other superstitions & rituals which arabs follow & Kuran advise them to follow.
@Muin
>>> I am back and surprise to see you fools are still running this websites?I thought you must have got some wisdom but i think Bhagwan is not interested in you people…
Thanks for declaring agniveer as fool. I knew long back agniveer’s effort is futile as no matter what a person tries it is very hard to convince a muslim to think rationally. Thanks to indian government too as it does not ban a website just because some mullah does not like the content.
>>> well education has nothing to do with wisdom and commonsense and this person himself is not well educated it seems..
We do no want the wisdom of muhammad who killed a tribe, married 12 times and declared himself last, most worthy messenger of god.
Your comment applies to yourself as you are educated but cannot think rationally.
>>>I pray you people get the hidaya from Allah and embrace ISLAM(peace,shanti) – Ameen
Allah has sealed our hearts so that we will not believe him no matter how hard mullah shouts from rooftop. why are you praying against Allah’s will? You will go to hell for doing this.
P.S – I know it is futile to argue with these hit an run muslims who declare themselves victorious, though they cannot answer questions raised against their ideology.
@Muin:
I pray you people get the hidaya from Allah and embrace ISLAM(peace,shanti) – Ameen
Not possible because Allah does not exist.
Muinz,
You wrote somewhere on this website that muslims cannot convert to another religion, it is gaddari and they should be killed.
Then you also write above,
I pray you people get the hidaya from Allah and embrace ISLAM(peace,shanti) – Ameen
Meaning you stop muslims from converting to another religion by FORCE, and yet expect us hindus to embrace islam. dont you think this is double standards? Arent you a hypocrite? (munafiq)
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In MY language, tere do baap the kya?
@muin,
Quote,”well education has nothing to do with wisdom and commonsense and this person himself is not well educated it seems..”Unquote
This when sachar commitee reports that muslims are the MOST backward community in India in terms of education, they are actually worse off than adivasis who live in forests.
Know why India is progressing in computer software? it is mainly because of the south Indians, (tamilians and telugus), who are the most brainy people in the WORLD and most devout idol worshipping hindus all of them. Much more than we northies.
And YOU supercilious muslim with a racist superiority complex, are telling us, that education has got nothing to do with wisdom? As if the garden variety muslim butcher(Khaatik) who prays 5 times a day, has got more wisdom than a computer programmer? How stupid can you get?
@krishna arya – well the in vedic dharma with education we always mean gaining wisdom,, increasing common sense, and etiquette of having a health discussion…. here all this comes in education only.
oh really, your own people do not follow you and rejected Ved and do idol worshiping.They took Ayodhya so that they can follow the religion by doing Idol worshiping..
First try to educate your own people as cleanliness begins from home as wisdom is lacking…
@truth seeker,
first let me educate you As-salaam is not equal to Namaskar.
As-salaam means peace and namaskar means i bow to you which is taught in your vedas; but as per Islam we must bow only to creator and not any statue or actor or cricketer or animals or shivlingam,or tree or other natural things..
agaian love of culture and langugaes..your own people have left your religion.Hindus prefer learning English than sanskritThey feel proud in speaking in english and not sanskrit.
Hindus are interested in reading novels and film magazanie bit not vedas may be only brahmins are allowed) so sad..and about culture you hindus follow western culture and dress in skirts and shorts.You people have not rised any voice on porn movies which you hindus have legalised.
You do not riase voice on khajurao temples were nude stuates are made..what at shame..
Talking of superstition.. well you hindus are well ahead of Mulisms like believing in 33 coroes gods,belief that earth is on 2 horns of a cow, all gods are in cows stomach etc etc..
——————oh really, your own people do not follow you and rejected Ved ——————
where are you getting it that some hindu rejected vedas??? go and ask any hindu do you reject vedas?
if many muslims worship graves can i say they have ”rejected” quran?
—————-They took Ayodhya so that they can follow the religion by doing Idol worshiping.—————–
tell me one thing muin, say god forbid if there comes a case on some dargah , and someone say christians(not bringing hindus here) break it forcibly construct a church there, then would not all muslims oppose because their brethren feelings were hurt?
or they will say it is good as otherwise also muslims were going against quran doing grave worship there !!
that is the same reason we support ayodhya for it hurted feelings of people and it is a historic place .. whatsoever they may do there but it was their place so they must get it… no??!!
@krishna arya – so you support temple in ayoudhya but you do not want to educate them about your own religion that Idol worshiping is a stupid way of worshiping?? that’s strange…
don’t you think we Muslims are better than them at least we do not do Idol worshiping…
@muin
————————–you do not want to educate them about your own religion—————
why dont you get any information before writing? go to any Dav schools or colleges, you will find no idols no mention of many gods in prayers etc…, go to any lectures by arya samaj which are done in large parts of country they clearly oppose idol worship —- find some arya samaj website and find there about idol worship—
we are opposing the idol worship same way you are opposing grave worship!!
—————Muslims are better than them at least we do not do Idol worshiping…——————–
even if we leave the discussion of kabba worship , then also why do you forget the grave worship which is done by a large segment of muslims??
Muin
Quote,”don’t you think we Muslims are better than them at least we do not do Idol worshiping…” Unquote
so, you are BETTER because you dont do idol worshipping? Who said that ? Allah? allah who?
What makes you better? degreading other people’s stupid way of worshipping? First you go and make devout hindus upset, then you crybabies, keep crying when we retaliate. CRYBABIES.
@dharmayoddha,
your comments are cheap and of low standard.Talk with proof.No one is interested in your nonsense…
and keep crying , MUSLIMS are going to rule INDIA again…
@krishna arya,
100 crores Hindus do Idol worshiping and you have not tried to educate them or given any fatwas against them that they are wrong may be afraid that you will be kicked out of India by these idol worshipers..
As fa as grave worship is considered we have already given fatwas its a SHIRK and also how many of them do it?? they are very few and handful of people and that to in India.. if you see MUSLIMS all around the world they are not grave worshipers..
First try to educate your own people as cleanliness begins from home which you have failed to do so…
YOU ALL ARE LOSERS AND DO NOT REPRESENT MAJORITY OF HINDUS AS MANY HINDUS KNOW ONLY RAM, KRISHNA, GANPATI, RANDEV BABA AND NOT GOD OF YOUR BOOK WHAT A SHAME…
@Muinz
My comments are cheap and low standard?
Tuzhko mirchi lagi to mai kya karu? You low life scumbags, you yourselves admit that you are the bottom of the heap in India, quote sachar commitee report, and then say we are BETTER that we dont do idol worshio\p? So, you are better in terms of religion (according to you), according to islam, you are the best community produced in mankind. Then why are you the most backward community in India, worse than even adivasis?
You want me to talk with proof? Take this why are muslims terrorists, WORLDWIDE? Bosnia, russia, china, thailand, phillipines, sudan, nigeria, usa, britain, spain, etc. the list goes on. Why are hindus not committing terrorist acts in these places? Can you give me logical explanation? Apart from the fact that yur third class cult doesnt teach you anything better than to fight and kill kaffirs worldwide.
Quote,”MUSLIMS are going to rule INDIA again…” Unquote
And we hindus are going to allow you to do that? This is 2011 not 1947. Come out and fight, let us see who got guts? we are not wearing bangles. And then you muslims scream from rooftops about secularism. Abhi jaat batayi na, do baap ki aulaad. In your heart you want to rule India again, and make it islamic country, but in public you scream secularism. Saale do baap ki aulaad.
@dharmayoddha,
as i said your comments are cheap and of low standard and not worth commenting.so stop posting your comments as this will degrade you again..
India’s literacy rate itself is very low and it includes not only Muslims but Hindus as well.If you see MUSLIMS all around the world they all are educated..
You talked of south India,let me educate you again that there are MUSLIMS also in South India….
As is said education has nothing to do with wisdom and the best examples are you these hindus who do Idol worshiping..There are hindus who are doctors,engineers,scientists lawyers and yet they do Idol worshiping…and on other hand you see Muslims even if they are not educated they are against Idol worshiping..
Got the difference…hope you have some wisdom to understand….
and to have peaceful world we do not want computer programmers but a sensible mind for eg; Saudi Arabia where crime rate is so low almost nil and on other hand India where there are educated people and still girls are being raped what a shame..
ONLY WAY INDIA AND WORLD CAN ATTAIN PEACE IS TOTAL SUBMISSION TO ALLAH AND EMBRACING ISLAM.
SO I INVITE YOU EMBRACE ISLAM ..
————-100 crores Hindus do Idol worshiping———-
in just 1400 years thousands and thousands of muslims started doing grave worship(against islam),
made a different sect SUFI , (many practices against islam), then it is very possible that since hinduism is from the perception of mankind.. these blatant errors have also entered there and practiced by larger population!!
———————given any fatwas against them that they are wrong——————-
there is no concept of fatwa in hinduism which force people to do particular thing. hinduism can be confined to one line that just do good things and you will get good, whosoever you worship does not matter unless you want to walk on path of liberty (moksha). for it also applies to atheist , he can also get heaven if he does good jobs,(heaven means better living conditions in next life).
————may be afraid that you will be kicked out of India by these idol worshipers———–
swami dayanand did debates all around india and proved that idol worship is not veda approved. arya samaj clearly says its not correct worship of god. hundreds of arya samaj temples are in india which don’t have idols.. go to any dav school , college .. and ask if they have anyidols in scool campus?
rest is that we do not force to do something!! islam forces and where you are forced the humanity dies!!
————hey are very few and handful of people and that to in India.. if you see MUSLIMS all around the world they are not grave worshipers..—————
see haji ali and check out how many muslims come there! and please if you could tell how much you mean by handful….??
————————-DO NOT REPRESENT MAJORITY OF HINDUS AS MANY HINDUS KNOW ONLY RAM, KRISHNA, GANPATI—————–
majority of hindus accept arya samaj to represent them because its only organization well versed in their highest, pious and pure scripture Vedas. And that is what matters … moreover people are changing their views now but priority is islam.. since they are not such a danger as is islam to humanity, to india!!
Namaste Muin
I want to embrace islam, can you please help me? I have the following problems:
1)I can only dedicate my love and worship to Allah alone but I cannot praise or believe in Mohammad as well.
2)I do not like idol worship, this is why I want to break the kaaba into pieces the same away arabs did to the pagans.
3)I believe apostates should be free and not be killed as per Sharia, now you tell me, can this happen??
4)I refuse to believe in stupid miracles done by all the prophets, now tell me can I still be a muslim??
5)I refuse to consider Adam and Eve as my great grandparents because then I would be born as a result of incest commited by the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, now can I still be muslim?
Tell me, how can any one of us in this site even think of embracing islam???
I welcome you to the Vedic Dharma
@Muin
you muslims as usual have no LOGIC. You really are a funny person, you crack me up HA HA HA HA
————–If you see MUSLIMS all around the world they all are educated..—————-
pervez musharraf himself said in OIC conference that we muslims are most illiterate in the world. Who are you to say otherwise? The gulf sheikhdoms, with all their money cant do zilch, they hire european and american contracting companies to build their world class infrastructure, they themselves cant do it. HA HA
———————As is said education has nothing to do with wisdom and the best examples are you these hindus who do Idol worshiping..There are hindus who are doctors,engineers,scientists lawyers and yet they do Idol worshiping…and on other hand you see Muslims even if they are not educated they are against Idol worshiping..————————-
AGAIN you crack me up. My point exactly. The south Indian devout hindus, worship and do puja of computer and they are software engineers, at the cutting edge of globalisation. So, by your logic, a highly educated person, doing idol worship has no wisdom? And an illiterate muslim butcher who does not do idol worship has got wisdom?
So your idea of wisdom has nothing to do with education but with idol worship? Tere allah ne tere ko akkal diya kya nahi? how can a illiterate butcher have more wisdom than highly educated person? Who follows a different religion? Or is ISLAM the only criteria of wisdom? then why are your worst enemies, the jews, the MOST BRAINY people in the world? They have the most nobel prizes, the most scientific achievements, in the world. Just because they are jews, and you hate jews, means they got no wisdom?
You really are a funny person, you crack me up. HA HA HA HO HO HO
@Vik,
I am not bhagwan so do not bow down to me by saying NAMASTE, no wonder you learned from vedas..
Secondly you want to embrace ISLAM…
1) if you can beleive in Krishna who had multiple illicit sexual partenrs and mistressess, if you can believe in Ganpati who had 2 wives to satisfy his sexual desire,if you can beleiev in Ram who disrespected Sita by doubting her chastity and you do not want to beleive in Muhammad who is mentioned as last avtaar in your vedas… that menas you yourself do not want to follow ved…
2) Kaab is not an idol but a house i think you do not have any knowledge that there is a difference betwn idol and a house…first go and break idols of your temples and then come to me…
3)As i said earlier there is no detah punishment for apostate if he wants to leave ISLAM for the reason tha in Islam drinking liquor is not allowed,adultery,fornication,homosexuality is not allowed andhe wants to practice them.. but if a muslim leave islam and say Islam degrades women,islam says kill kaafirs whereever you find them then there is a death punishment for such apostates…
4) Miracles are part of prophet hood .All prophets did miracles at that time like Jesus,Moses etc (AS), miracles of Muhammed are proven from time to time… if you can believe in stupid miracles of Hanuman that he can fly and not proven miracles of Muhammed that menas you beleiev in superstition.Please visite miraclesofthequran.com and you will get all proofs…
5) can you tell me how human beings came into existence and who was the first man and woman according to Vedas???????
Muslims are the only community who openly says Idol worshiping is irrational and we are not cowards like you people afraid of your own people …
I pray Allah give wisdom to you people to first understand your own religion and then Islam and follow and embrace ISLAM the true way of living…
@Muin
So you agree in Islam, bowing is only for Allah and no one else?
BTW Namaste does not mean bowing in first place
Seen ever a person bowing while saying Namaste? How funny that the person is not doing actually what he is claiming to do !
Namah the root word of Namaste means “to be modest” or “without arrogance”. Have ever heard of the word “Vinamra”? Root word of this is also Nam. Does that mean Vinamra person is the one having his back bend 24×7? No. So Namah means humbleness.
Even if you take its meaning as bowing down, that does not mean “to pray” in Vedic Dharma. That may be the case with Islam where bowing = worshipping
@mUIN
————So you agree in Islam, bowing is only for Allah and no one else?—————
bow down before me, low life muslims, touch my feet, do sajda before me, and give jiziya tax with absolute SUBMISSION, if you know whats good for you. Or else…………
I am more powerful than allah.
Allah himself is scared of me. HA HA HA HO HO HO
@dharmayoddha,
what nonsense you are writing … show yourself to a psychiatrist..
@krishna arya,
majority of people follow arya samaaj ?????
then why are so many doing idol worshiping???so in your religion Idol worshiping is allowed as someone said in the post we do not force them do destroy the idols and even if they do idol worshiping that do not mean they will be in hell?????
so indirectly you are saying Idol worshiping is allowed…
When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat
Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws
Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores
Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length
Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits
Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
meat eater– drink liquid with tongue
herbivores– drink liquid directly
humans–drink liquid directly
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Moreover,when we can have veg then whats use of non-veg…..we can live only with veg but can you live only with non-veg…So non-veg is additional whereas veg is required food
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one of the biggest reason for global warming is flesh business in world…
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http://www.rajivdixit.com/?cat=12
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listen to मांसाहार से हानियाँ part of shri rajiv dixit…