Islam definitely means ‘peace’ in Arabic. However fake Islamic representatives like Zakir Bhai, MBBS (Dr Zakir Naik) are bent on proving the contrary. We have already seen how Dr Zakir Naik, who claims to be a Wahabi, is actually a Qadiyani with an agenda of his own. (Refer the expose on his fraud writings).

It is not a surprise that the world sees a brutal history in Islam, if people like Dr Zakir Naik continue to remain its representative. We shall not dwell into the historical part, but would review another extract from a book claimed to be written by Dr Zakir Abdul Karim Naik – ” Answer to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions About Islam”.

I am not sure from where Dr Zakir Naik has lifted the material for this book, now that we already know that all he does is to copy-paste from previous books from copyrighted Qadiyani sources without acknowledging the author (since Qadiyanis are considered non-Muslims by most Muslims especially Wahabis)

But very honestly, if one replaces Dr Zakir Naik’s name with some other non-Muslim name, this books appears to be a book of dark humor to humiliate Islam written by an enemy of Islam. When I first got the copy of the book, I thought it was created by an anti-Muslim to denigrate Islam and Zakir Bhai, MBBS. But when I searched on internet and found this to be actually written to promote Islam, I was shocked!

But now that we know the hidden agenda of Zakir Bhai, MBBS, I would request my Muslim brothers and sisters to ensure they are not sharing this book  “Answer to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions About Islam” and promoting defamation of Islam – which means peace.

We have already briefly seen how Zakir Bhai, MBBS has made mockery of Islam by giving funny reasons to justify polygamy in this post.

In present post, we shall discuss another topic from “Answer to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions About Islam” and see why with friends like Zakir Bhai, MBBS, who needs enemies.

EATING NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD (Page 18-21)

Dr Naik starts with usual details of ayats from Quran permitting non-vegetarian food and stating that even a vegetarian can be a Muslim. Then he goes to discuss typical health benefits of non-vegetarian food which have been debated and contested for long. We shall not dwell into those and recommend to go through a variety of resources available on internet.
(The purpose of this article is not to debate vegetarian food vs non-vegetarian food, but to see how Dr Zakir Naik is humiliating Islam).

Suddenly Dr. Zakir Naik gets bizarre. He claims, “One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.”

(Comment:
1. I am sure Zakir Bhai, MBBS who claims to be an MBBS knows at least that there are large number of vegetarian food that require tearing and hence use of pointed teeth (canines). A simple example is sugarcane. In fact almost all vegetarian food that are hard require use of pointed teeth!

2. The pointed teeth (canine) in humans are not as large and pointed as in case of carnivorous animals. In humans, they are of same size as other teeth. In fact, it is the vegetarians who give this argument to justify vegetarianism!

3. Thus I am not sure if Zakir Bhai, MBBS actually wrote this to support Islamic non-vegetarianism or make of mockery of it)

He goes further berserk and states, “If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?”

(Comment:

1. I now sincerely doubt if Zakir Bhai, MBBS is an MBBS in first place. Maybe he followed ways of Munna Bhai MBBS to get the degree. Or perhaps he does not check the content before copy-pasting. Or perhaps he is doing it deliberately, being a Qadiyani.

2. Our digestive system can digest even human flesh and blood. In fact many parts of human bodies can provide large amounts of nutrients. Does it mean we should start eating dead bodies instead of burying them and drinking their blood?

3. Even if humans eat their own excreta, the digestive system would process it one more time. Do we start eating that?

4. Now some followers of Zakir Bhai, MBBS have started quoting from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, to justify that even saliva is good for health!

See some examples:

” Muhammad used his saliva to soften a date, and then gave it to an infant to suck…(Sahih Bukhari, 25.5340, 5341, 5345)

When Anas’s son was born Muhammad fed him with dates mixed with his (Muhammad’s) saliva and gave him the name Abdullah…(Sahih Bukhari, 31.6013)

Muhammad’s saliva is good for children. He used to spit into the mouth of suckling children, and his saliva would satisfy them until nightfall…(Ash Shifa, p.184)

If a baby sucked Muhammad’s tongue, the baby became quiet…(Ash Shifa, p.184)

He gave al‑Hasan and al‑Husayn his tongue to suck. They had been weeping from thirst and upon sucking Muhammad’s tongue they became quiet…(Ash Shifa, p.184)

People rubbed Muhammad’s spittle on their faces…(Ash Shifa, p.237)

Muhammad recommended that you can spit on your cloth and then fold it and rub it…(Sahih Muslim, 4.1121)

Spit three times to the left when someone questions who created Allah…(ibn Ishaq, p.270) “

So perhaps, Zakir Bhai, MBBS is soon going start suggesting consumption of each others’ saliva on same set of arguments and proofs from Hadiths, as he does to support non-vegetarianism! Or maybe selling his saliva along with his books, on same logic that he is using to justify meat here.)

Zakir Bhai, MBBS goes further beyond senses when he starts quoting from Hindu Scriptures that they contain permission to eat a variety of meat. He says:“There are many Hindus who are strictly vegetarian. They think it is against their religion to consume non-vegetarian food. But the true fact is that the Hindu scriptures permit a person to have meat. The scriptures mention Hindu sages and saints consuming non-vegetarian food.” He goes on to cite evidences from Hindu Scriptures – Manu Smriti and Mahabharat.”

(Comment:
1. I do not understand why suddenly Hindu scriptures emerge in a book on Muslims. Its a common theme in his copy-pasted plagiarized material that in a ‘research’ on Hinduism, he would quote more from Quran and Hadiths; and in a ‘research’ on Islam, he would quote from Hindu texts!

Perhaps because, being a Qadiyani he believes that Hinduism is the oldest religion and Islam is only a revision! But then what about his Wahabi claim?

2. With regards to Manu Smriti, it clearly prohibits meat in 5.51 which says: “Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that meat and those who eat are all murderers.”

Its an open fact that almost half of Manu Smriti is either adulterated or misinterpreted. That is why no Brahmin involved in rituals ever resorts to meat-eating. If indeed Manu Smriti allowed meat-eating, Brahmins would have been the biggest meat-eating class in India! One should refer to Manusmriti by Dr Surendra Kumar available from http://agnikart.com to evaluate this in detail.

3. The Mahabharat evidence is also irrelevant because Mahabharat is not considered an authentic scripture in matters of Dharma in Hinduism. Mahabharat itself states in Shantiparva 265.9.4:
“Suraa Matsyaa Pashormaasam Aasavam Krisharoudanam
Dhurtaih Prvartitam Yajne Naitad Vedeshu Vidyate
Avyavasthitamaryaadaeh Vimudhairnaastikaeh Naraeh
Sanshayaatmabhiravyaktaih Hinsaa Samanuvarnitaa”

Meaning: Alcohol-drinking, Fish, Meat eating, aasava consumption – these are not present in Vedas. These have been propagated by fraud people. They have fraudulently added these uncontrolled, reckless, atheist descriptions in our texts.

Further Mahabharat states “Mansaharinah Kuto Daya” – How can you expect compassion from a meat-eater!

The only authoritative text for Hinduism is The Vedas. So if one has to prove meat-eating, he has to show it in the Vedas. And for Vedas, refer to http://agniveer.com/vedas/no-beef-in-vedas/ to see beyond doubt that Vedas severely condemn meat-eating.)

In next point, Dr Naik claims that Hindus adopted vegetarianism from Jains!

(Comment:
1. How is this point relevant in a book explaining logic of Muslim practices is best known to Zakir Bhai, MBBS.

2. Hindus and Jains both have origin from same basic humanistic ideology as presented in Vedas. The traits of Dharma as presented by both is almost similar. Jains are an integrated part of the society that is nowadays called Hindu. Zakir Bhai, MBBS’ attempts to deliberately create differences between them by providing statements out of context is utterly deplorable.

3. Or perhaps he is trying to feed his Qadiyani agenda!)

Next he goes on to prove that Plants also have life and that Plants also feel pain. He states:

“If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian….There was research done by a farmer in U.S.A. who invented an instrument which converted the cry of the plant so that it could be heard by human beings. He was able to realize immediately when the plant itself cried for water. Latest researches show that the plants can even feel happy and sad. It can also cry.”

(Comment:

1. Look at the source of research of Zakir Bhai, MBBS: a FARMER in USA! No scientist, institution, or university, but a farmer best known only to Zakir Bhai MBBS! What more one needs to see if he is defending or defaming Islam!

2. No such research has ever been conducted, nor it is possible to conduct. While researches have been done to establish similar electrochemical and biochemical reactions in plants as in animals, there is nothing to suggest that plants cry or feel pain. Opinion is divided among theists on whether plants have soul or not, but all agree that plants do not feel pain in the manner animals feels.

3. Incidentally, all Muslims are not as fanatic as Zakir Bhai, MBBS would want the world to believe. There is a growing population of Islamic vegetarians who interpret the Quran to justify vegetarianism. Many among them refuse to consider the Quran in current form as final word of Allah and are much progressive. Some even believe that parts of Quran are misquoted by fanatics to present an Islam which is completely against the true concept of Islam. Some are approaching Vedas to understand original Dharma. We shall discuss the views of these rational Muslims who submit to reason in another article.

But here, let me reproduce reply to Zakir Bhai, MBBS by a leading Muslim vegetarians society (http://islamveg.com):
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Do Plants Feel Pain?

Some Muslims have been misled by Internet discussions indicating that plants feel pain. This argument is used by those who wish to justify their meat consumption by claiming that because both plants and animals feel pain, there is no ethical or religious difference between killing plants for food and killing animals for food.

Not Taking “Life”
One argument begins by explaining that plants have “life,” presumably just the same as animals and humans, and thus, this argument claims that one cannot avoid taking life simply by consuming plant foods. The concept of life used in this argument is nebulous and general, and the argument does not make a moral or religious distinction between the life possessed by plants and that possessed by animals.

One author claims that if it were possible to eat a diet that did not involve taking life, he would adopt that diet immediately, but since, according to the author, a vegetarian diet also takes “life,” he states that he may as well carry on eating meat. In addition to the lack of clarification about the concept of life and the lack of distinction between animal life and plant life, the author failed to note that a diet that meets his criteria does exist. Many people follow a “fruitarian” diet, meaning that they eat fruits, some vegetables that have seeds, and nuts. Fruitarian diets do not require the taking of “life,” as plants produce fruits, seeds, and nuts so that they can be eaten. The plants neither suffer nor die to provide these foods. While we do not recommend this diet, it does meet this author’s criteria, and if the taking of “life” really is so important, this is the diet for him.

Supporters of this view of “life” also claim that since both plants and animals have life, it is better to take the life of one animal, who might feed 100 people, than to take the life of 100 or more plants to feed the same number of people. The fallacy of this argument will be investigated in more detail below.

Plants’ Inability to Feel Pain

Supporters of this theory also claim that plants feel pain and that one farmer used a device to “scientifically” catch the sounds of plants “crying out” and “screaming” in pain. They state that our limited range of hearing cannot pick up the “screams” of plants but that machines can.

The truth is that plants, when stressed, release a chemical called ethylene. This chemical indicates that the plant needs to increase cell growth or take other measures against the perceived stressor. Scientists measured levels of ethylene released from stressed plants by “listening” to them using lasers until a certain frequency was measured.

While this research shows that plants might have a stress-avoidance response, it is quite a stretch to refer to this as “pain.” It is even more erroneous to equate this response with the pain suffered by animals and human beings. Plants lack nerve endings, brains, hormones, and other structures that would allow them to experience pain. They also lack the ability to move away from sources of stress, an evolutionary trait linked with the ability to feel pain.

Even those who argue that plants feel pain and suffer should support a vegetarian diet because the number of plants that must be fed to an animal to produce enough meat for one human is greater than the number of plants required to feed that same human if he or she ate the plants directly. Meat-eaters are responsible for “killing” 10 times more plants than vegetarians, and they also kill and cause suffering to animals.

The argument that plants feel pain and suffer and that killing them is as bad as killing animals is weak and illogical. Those who use this argument to justify their continued consumption of meat should attempt to approach the debate in a more logical, scientific manner.

Such claims have fooled many well-intentioned Muslims into perpetuating these falsehoods on the Internet. This is harmful to our Ummah, as it makes us appear ignorant and ill informed.

We ask that all Muslims who have put forward such unfounded claims remove these claims from their Web sites and other public forums and cease spreading these fictitious claims at conferences and debates. For more information regarding plants’ inability to feel pain, see Peter Singer’s Animal Liberation.”
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Zakir Bhai surges ahead in his mission to defame Islam by stating another peculiar reason: “If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.”

(Comments:

1. By now, one would have no doubts that Zakir Bhai, MBBS is merely cracking jokes on shoulders of Islam.

2. Despite his claims of MBBS, he seems to have no clues about natural ecological cycles that automatically takes care of overpopulation of certain breeds.

3. Most importantly, he conveniently ignores stating that there is already an overpopulation of cattle due to human demand for meat! Cattle are specifically reared for meat consumption who consume 4 times more resources than humans, and are way above natural limits as per ecological requirements.

4. Either Zakir Bhai, MBBS has given this argument because he did not read the material that he stole for his book, or he is on a mission to denigrate Islam. Because this again is a big argument in favor of vegetarianism, that meat-eaters cannot answer.)

He ends up this section with a silly joke: “I do not mind if some people are pure vegetarians. However they should not condemn non-vegetarians as ruthless. In fact if all Indians become nonvegetarians then the present non-vegetarians would be losers since the prices of meat would rise.”

(Comment:
One cannot understand what he means by this statement. Is he defending vegetarians or non-vegetarians. The para is quite confusing, but one thing is clear – He is demeaning Islam in any case. Perhaps because being a Qadiyani, his vision of Islam is different from the more rational ones among Muslims.)

Zakir Bhai, MBBS missed certain other arguments in favor of vegetarianism namely:
– environmental conservation in raising vegetarian food compared to animal food
– resource optimization by minimizing food resources used to feed cattle reared to feed humans
– feeding more people through vegetarian food that can feed at least 10 times more people
– plants can be regrown, animals cannot be
– the number of disease that non-veg foods make one vulnerable to
– etc etc.

You can visit any vegetarian site like ivu.org or PETA or http://www.ethicalvegetarian.com/arguments.html etc for more on this. Or review our article Say No to Meat.

As I emphasized, the purpose of this article was not to get into veg vs non-veg debate, but show how Zakir Bhai MBBS uses this as a ploy to demean Islam.

I would however like to emphasize that Vedas, where Zakir Bhai sees the source of Prophet, strongly condemns any practice that is based on killing innocent creatures, degrading environment and wasting valuable resources.

In next part of the article, he addresses the following issue:

ISLAMIC METHOD OF SLAUGHTERING ANIMALS APPEARS RUTHLESS (Page 22)

He explains the method and then provides following set of ridiculous arguments to justify it:
a. It is more hygienic
b. It keeps meat fresh for longer time
c. Animals do not feel pain


(Comments:

Instead of putting my personal views, I would like to share that it is the progressive Muslims of today who are demanding ban on meat and especially the form of Halal meat that Zakir Bhai is recommending. They have provided ample material to prove that this is an extremely loathsome method in current context and goes against teachings of original Quran of Prophet Muhammad (and not Zakir Bhai).

They deplore the fact that fake people like Dr Zakir Naik are claiming to be sole representatives of Islam and presenting a distorted Islam to world that makes lives of an average educated Muslim miserable.

Here are certain points from http://www.islamveg.com/halalmeat.asp which is dedicated to promoting Vegetarian Islam.

1. They quote from New Scientist, the premiere research journal on how Animals Feel the Pain of Muslim Slaughter: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17972-animals-feel-the-pain-of-religious-slaughter.html?full=true&print=true

2. They provide several reasons why so-called Halal meat is not actually Halal.

3. They claim that “Vegetarian foods and ingredients, not counting alcohol, are halal by nature. Eating vegetarian is the best and easiest way to ensure that you are keeping halal.”

I hope the Muslims misled by like of Zakir Bhai MBBS, would reject the fake Qadiyani, and embrace the rational approach of Vedas as welcomes by progressive Muslims. In Vedic approach, one does not kill innocent animals for taste-buds and hence the question of slaughter does not arise in first place.)

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The next topic he takes is

NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT (Page 23)

“Question:
Science tell us that whatever one eats, it has an effect on one’s behaviour. Why then, does Islam allow Muslims to eat non-vegetarian food, since eating of animals could make a person violent and ferocious?

Answer:
1. Only eating of herbivorous animals allowed I agree that, what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lion, tiger, leopard, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like cow, goat, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because Muslims are peace loving and non-violent people.”

He then goes on to quote from Quran and Hadiths on the kind of meat that is haram and halal based on whether the animal is peaceful or violent.

(Comment:
1. Nothing could be more obvious than this concluding part of the topic of food, on true motives of Zakir Bhai, MBBS. He is simply writing all this to ridicule Islam on pretext of Veg-non-veg debate!

2. Let us analyze: First he admits that food has an impact on one’s behavior.

Next, he says that Muslims are peaceful because they eat peaceful animals. By this logic, why are not carnivorous animals also considered peaceful? After all a carnivorous animal like lion, tiger or leopard also eats docile animals like Muslims. So either one considers lion, tiger etc also to be peaceful like Muslims or should consider Muslims to be violent and ferocious like carnivorous animals.

3. And if we consider carnivorous animals to be peaceful because they eat same food as Muslims, then Quran should not prohibit eating of carnivorous animals also. Because it is hence proved that even carnivorous animals are peaceful and Muslims are permitted to eat peaceful animals!

4. Going further, even eating of peaceful humans should be justified because eating peaceful humans will make one loving and non-violent!

5. Zakir Bhai is perhaps creating grounds for defense of terrorists who kill innocent people. He would thus argue in court, “These terrorists are peace loving and non-violent people because they kill peaceful and docile people!”

)

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Muslims, especially followers of Zakir Bhai, MBBS should introspect and decide if they can afford to allow fake scholars like him to continue to be representative of Islam. If yes, Muslims are bound to face ridicule and humiliation. If not, they should promote more progressive Muslim movements, who evaluate Islam more rationally.

What you eat may be your personal choice. One can debate on this, and yet maintain cordial relationships. But demeaning Islam on pretext of defending Islam is indeed a shameful act.

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Truth Seeker
Truth Seeker
3 years 10 months ago
@Fatima ________I wanto to live in paradise… In my concept of paradise I will get 150 virgins girls of 9 years old to have sex. Prophet got only one but I will get 150. Ha… Ha… my Allah is much batter than your. My heaven concept is matter than Quran… Read more »
Fatima
Fatima
3 years 10 months ago

I have read Quran…….Then can’t you people have sense that this world is made by Allah and we should only worship HIM…………

Jay
Jay
3 years 10 months ago
Can’t you people have sense that the myths of Jews and Arabs are myths of Jews and Arabs, and no one else need believe in them. You have zero proof other than pure blind belief that your Arab pagan version of Judaism, Islam, is the one and only correct version… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 9 – islam ka arth peace nahi hai,nahi tha aur nahi ragega.islam ka arth hai sharanagati.kuch akal ke diwane jaise batate hai islam=peace bebunuyad aur sabse bada jhuth hai.Islam=Submission,Salam=Well-being/Peace,(Derivation of Salama=The stinging of a snake or the tanning of theleather,Saleema=To be saved or to escape from danger(when… Read more »
Ashy
Ashy
3 years 10 months ago

It is mentioned in the beginning of the article that Islam in Arabic means peace. I think ‘Islam’ means ‘submission’ rather than ‘peace’. The intended meaning being ‘He who submits to the prescribed tenets shall have peace’.

raj.hyd
raj.hyd
3 years 10 months ago
ahamadi muslimo ko islam se isliye khriz kar diya jata hai kivah apne guru ji gulam muhammad qadiyani ji ko nabi mante hai jab ki vah bhi allah, kuran v muhammad ji ko rasool mante hai ! lekin isllami atankvadi kai lakh manushyo ki hatya kardete hai ! aaj ka… Read more »
raj.hyd
raj.hyd
3 years 10 months ago
kurani allah ka star[ yogyta] dekhiye kuran 111/1-2-3-4-5, tut gaye abu lahab ke dono hath,aur vah svayam bhi vinsht ho gaya ……………? kya yahi kuran lauh mahafuj me hone ka dava karti hai? agar kisi vyakti ke agar hath tut jaye to kurani allah ki usse sahanubhuti ke bajaye uso… Read more »
anti-agniveer
anti-agniveer
3 years 10 months ago
@pagal-raj, tumhare samajh to aata nahi quran aur likhte rehte ho? tumhein pata hai abulahab kaun hai aur hath tootne se kiya muraad hai? agniveer ne hazrat muhammad k barein mein jo likha usse alag likha hai us bhavishya puran mein jo ki mere paas hai, voh hindi mein hai… Read more »
raj.hyd
raj.hyd
3 years 10 months ago
@anti agniveer ji , abu lahab kaun the yah mukhy bat nahi hai mukhy bat yah hai ki satve asman me lauhmahafuz me rakhi kuran me bahut pahale se yahbat kya likhi huyi thi ki abu lahab marte dam tak gair muslim rahenge aur unke hath toot jayenge ? abu… Read more »
anti-agniveer
anti-agniveer
3 years 10 months ago
@pagal-raj. tum kiya hindi ko bhi sandhi viched karke parhte ho? tumhara naam raj hai aur agar kahin likha hai passport wagherah mein to kiya koi yeh keh saktahai ki yeh raj nahi hai kiyunki yeh ra+aaj hai aur yeh tum nahi ho? hindi k bhavishyapuraan mein likha hai hazrat… Read more »
raj.hyd
raj.hyd
3 years 10 months ago
@anti agniveer ji jaise hindu shabd hai ! vah geeta ramayan ved aur anyshastro me bhi nahi milta hai yah is desh me muglo ke ane ke bad aya hai lekin durbvhagyvash ab is dheme mul roopse rahane vale apne ko hindu kahane lage 1 jab angrejo ne is dsh… Read more »
Hindu Raj
Hindu Raj
3 years 10 months ago
I guess Muin is Zakir bhai and he is trying to defend himself.. I do not have problem with muslims but i have a big problem with Indian muslim. All muslim in India call themselves as Indian, just to reap benefits of the country. *Only 10 % of Indians muslims… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 8 – The prophet of Islam committed SHIRK – he was a hypocrite – he made himself Allah’s partner! Read carefully…. O you who believe, obey Allah and His Messenger … ” (8:20) “Say: obey Allah and obey the Messenger … ” (24:54) … “Obey Allah and… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 7- Then Allah’s Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, “Cover me! Cover me!” They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, “O Khadija, what is wrong with me?” Then he told… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago

muhammad ka mansik star bilkul nichale darze ka hai-wo kahata hai aache sapne allah se aate hai aur bure sapne shaitan se????hahaha…..hahaha…..ab ye allah sapnaman kaise hoga???hahaha…….kya allah man se nirmit hai???dono sapne man se aate hai,to ye allah bhi man se to aaya nahi???hahaha…..hahaha…

jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
@anti agniveer,tu sharm se pani pani kyo ho raha hai..ha.ha.ha…tu kahta hai ved ka eshwar dikhai nahi padta ? ha.ha.ha…meri baat siddha karne se pahale tere allah ko dekte hai.allah ek false concept hai,.kaise ??allah kitana mahan hai ye nahi pata??uski mahanta kaha se shuru hoti hai??akash,,prithvi ya satve aasman… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
@maria,your mind is very low level,you are narrow minded.your world only roundup in quran-allah-muhammad.you leave1400 years ago.your born here but mind is 1400years old back.peace is only peace he does not need quran.peace is a inner state of mind.without quran peace is exists.quran is a barier of peace.all kinds of… Read more »
anti-agniveer
anti-agniveer
3 years 10 months ago
@pagal-shankar, tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de hi nahi sakta. is ka answer dene mein dar gayakiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha //vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha… Read more »
True Muslim
True Muslim
3 years 10 months ago

ASSALAM ALIAKUM

Mr Agniveer just watch the debate between Dr Zakir Naik and your Mr R.Zaveri and see how he gets irritated by the questions about veg food. here is the link plz go through it then come we will talk.
http://youtu.be/Ysreug3HUK8

adrita
adrita
3 years 10 months ago
some people just do not know what is right and wrong……………….i have seen that the people who spreads islam in a good manner and in logical manner …………………..the audiences think that that person is wrong……i just do not know why people are so foolish that they say zakir naik is… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 10 months ago

Just for a change, listen to your brains for at least once if you possibly can, and you will start to feel the difference.

jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
@rsdfgg,pagalonme awwal,tu pahale apne chitt ko saf kar,shudh kar sab vishwas se mukt ho ja swikar kar ki allah ek mithak hai,false concept hai,muhammad ki dimagi soch hai.fir tuze mai ved ka gyan dunga….ha.ha.ha..bina allah ka vichar liye ved ka gyan nahi mil sakta tu quran chod .ved ka eshwar… Read more »
anti-agniveer
anti-agniveer
3 years 10 months ago
@pagal-shankar, tere samajh mein nahi ayega Allah ka concept par tu ishvar mein aur vedon k rishiyon mein aur SHANKA mein to andhvishwas karta hai na? to uska answer de ki tu andhvishwas karta hai ya aryasamajiyon ki tarah jhut bol de ki tune dekha hai??? tu Allah ko insano… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
@rsdfgg,paglonke seertaj allah ne duniya banayi ye uske smruti se ki bina smruti se??? kyo ki bina memory ke aadmi kuch samaj nahi pata,bina memory ke aadmi kuch bhi bana nahi sakta ye siddha hota hai to allah ki smrti kya hai??? Allah to akela hai phir use smriti bhi… Read more »
rsdfgg
rsdfgg
3 years 10 months ago
@pagal-shankar, tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de hi nahi sakta. is ka answer dene mein dar gayakiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha //vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
@rsdfgg,pagalonke masiha,??? Allah ne duniya banai ye kis gadhe ne tuze kaha???ha.ha.ha.tu kahta hai allah ne banai aur wo ek hai phir ek hi duniya banata,wo khud aur duniya ye alag-alag kaise ho gayi???wo ek hai to duniya kaha hai??? us ke andar ke bahar????ha..ha..ha…jo table ko banata hai wo… Read more »
rsdfgg
rsdfgg
3 years 10 months ago
@pagal-shankar, tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de hi nahi sakta. is ka answer dene mein dar gayakiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha //vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
ISLAM KI SACHHAI 4- ISLAM ME YE BAATE NAHI HAI1) chitt ya mind aur uske nirodh, thahrna,shant hona is koi gyan islam me nahi hai 2) atmagyan hona aapne andar ke aatma ka sakshat karna 3) sab ki jad man hai ,ye man hi dukh ka karan hai aur man… Read more »
rsdfgg
rsdfgg
3 years 10 months ago
@pagal-shankar, is ka answer dene mein dar gaya kiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha //vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu… Read more »
Kaetan-Hitz Bhatt
Kaetan-Hitz Bhatt
3 years 10 months ago
yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein? tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun? Tune tere allah ko dekha he? kahan, arey uska photu bhi nahi he. funny… Read more »
raj.hyd
raj.hyd
3 years 10 months ago
@ manniya shri kaetan ji , kurani allah rooh funkta hai ?nkurani allahne to yah bhi kaha hai mere “dono hath” hai ! dekhe kuran 38/75 jisme vah kahate hai i hamne adam ji ko”dono hatho” se banaya ? iska kya matlab hai sansar me dekhne me ata hai ki… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
@rsdfgg,aaj ki taaja khabar sare,bharat, usa,uk,rashia,chin,japan,me log asptal me bharti ho rahe hai.lakho ki sankhya me log asptal pahuch rahe hai.sabhi ko ye pata nahi hai ki unke paas dimag nahi??? Kisi bade ?? Fariste ne rsdfgg?? Ne aadmi ko bina dimag ke operation kiye yakin nahi karna chahiye aisa… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
CHALLENG TO DR.ZAKIR NAIK 2- koi bhi hindu dr.zakir naik se ye sawal kare -ALLAH EK HAI YA ANEK? EK HAI TO ANEK KO KYO BANAYA? ANEK HAI TO BAKI KE ALLAH KAHA HAI? ALLAH EK HAI TO DUNIYA KIS SE JUDI HAI? ALLAH SE JUDI HAI TO WO EK… Read more »
rsdfgg
rsdfgg
3 years 10 months ago
August 9, 2012 at 4:05 pm @pagal-shankar, ajeeb aadmi hai? itni si baat nahi samjh sakta? jis doctor ne tera operation kara hoga wohi to janega ki tere paas dimagh hai ya nahi?? maine thore hi kiya tera operation?/hahaha kiya hum us doctor par vishwas kar lein ? yeh to… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
ISLAM KI SACCHAI 3-KOI BHI HINDU DR.ZAKIR NAIK KO YE SAWAL KARE 1) ALLAH NE SABKO BANAYA,IS ME INSSAN KO BHI BANAYA TO YE ALLAH AADMI KO KYA SAMAJTA HAI? “BODY” “MIND” YA “SOUL” AADMI KI BODY 5 WAYS SE KNOWLEDGE LETI HAI ,AANKH,KAAN,NAAK,ZIB,CHAMDI AUR BRAIN JO HAI WO KNOWLEDGE… Read more »
jai shankar
jai shankar
3 years 10 months ago
ISLAM KI SACCHAI- YE JO ALLAH HAI YE EK MITHAK,EK FALSE CONCEPT HAI.KYO?1)Muhammad ke siva kisi ko nahi pata.2) abhi tak kisi ko nahi mila.3) siva muslims bane kisi ko nahi dikhega,bhale hi uske banaye chand,suraj bina muslim huye dikte rahenge par wo nahi dikhega.4) bina hajj kiye muslims ko… Read more »
Md. Shallu
Md. Shallu
3 years 10 months ago

“Zakir Naik” sachcha mulsalmaan nahi hai. He is fraud. Kewal propoganda karta hai.

vijay Singh
vijay Singh
3 years 11 months ago

Humans can digest pork too, what is logic of Dr Nayak there?

om
om
4 years 1 day ago
what should i say if someone critisize hindus like this……….. “if you can beleive in Krishna who had multiple illicit sexual partenrs and mistressess, if you can believe in Ganpati who had 2 wives to satisfy his sexual desire,if you can beleiev in Ram who disrespected Sita by doubting her… Read more »
fari
fari
4 years 1 month ago
brother i want to simply say that if you cant do good then dont be bad what ever he is its his and his Allah matter may be Allah will forgive him for the a little thing and may be he is good but you told that he is not… Read more »
trackback

[…] He denies that eating plants will change your behaviour as plants and eating animals would make you cruel ‘’ 4. Going further, even eating of peaceful humans should be justified because eating peaceful humans will make one loving and non-violent!’’ [Zakir Bhai defends Halal Meat] […]

sshama
sshama
5 years 19 days ago
@SDC: ‘Just one query, why is pork meat banned in Islam? The usual answer that is presented on almost all occasions is that pig is a dirty animal. Well, in that case, what about farm raised pigs? Are they edible? If no, then why?’ A Dog raised up in cats… Read more »
aziz ahmad
Vik
Vik
5 years 21 days ago

@aziz ahmend

yes, I want answers if you are keen to answer me meet me in the forum!!!

krishna arya
5 years 22 days ago

why email… why not debate here?? all will benefit here and be able to take part in!!

Agniveer
5 years 22 days ago

You can also have dedicated discussions on http://agniveer.com/forum that will be publicly available and searchable on google.

sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
sister Sshama, if I am a vegetarian, how could i eat human flesh? For your kind information cannabalism did take place historically in some parts of Europe and Africa. I agree with you eating human flesh is not a civilized society. But so does animals. I I am not forcing… Read more »
Vik
Vik
5 years 1 month ago
@Shama ===All civilized societies in history had non-veg food but cannibalism is only linked with uncivilized societies. And morever foundations of human society will crumble down if cannibalism is adopted.=== All?? I dont remember India having a non veg society in history??? =====Also there are MDs who claim that hospitals… Read more »
Abdullah
Abdullah
5 years 1 month ago

Sister Sshama, If I am not wrong, you had once commented on theintellectual.info and asked Mushafiq bhai something. are you the same person? Now he has a separate website to deal with these people http://www.islamhinduism.com/ Do check it out.

Vik
Vik
5 years 1 month ago

@Abdullah

Abdullah, looks like you are a frequent visitor of that site. You may have seen how badly people like Apolloreach, Indian Agnostic, and Kalbhariv and few others torn those artilces apart. Kindly tell your boss to remove those articles because each of them is refuted right under the comments section.

sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
Sshama, if you want to derive protein from meat, why not eat your own family members since you seem to be fanatic and do not value animal life?? Human flesh provides far more protein than animal flesh, so why not eat that?? Sure, it will also get digested too..Every animal… Read more »
Vik
Vik
5 years 1 month ago
@Sshama <> sister Sshama, if I am a vegetarian, how could i eat human flesh? For your kind information cannabalism did take place historically in some parts of Europe and Africa. I agree with you eating human flesh is not a civilized society. But so does animals. I <> I… Read more »
hillaz
hillaz
5 years 1 month ago

If you want to understand Islam and its teachings please read history of mansoor al hillaz – sufi saint killed by Muslims because he dare to say ‘an haluq.i am truth or am bramh.

sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
@Vik: ‘Namaste Sshama, Sshama why are you proving all those stupid hadiths true which say that women have less intelligence????” So that you knw a half intellignt person who is following the hadith can overcome full intelligent guys following a stone age book. ‘Where is your intelligence dear?? Bodybuilders in… Read more »
Vik
Vik
5 years 1 month ago
@Sshama ======================================================= @Vik: ‘Namaste Sshama, Sshama why are you proving all those stupid hadiths true which say that women have less intelligence????” So that you knw a half intellignt person who is following the hadith can overcome full intelligent guys following a stone age book. ‘Where is your intelligence dear??… Read more »
SDC
SDC
5 years 1 month ago

Just one query, why is pork meat banned in Islam? The usual answer that is presented on almost all occasions is that pig is a dirty animal. Well, in that case, what about farm raised pigs? Are they edible? If no, then why?

truth seeker
truth seeker
5 years 1 month ago
@sshama Why did did not Allah give sharp & long teeth to Muslim brothers as teeth of dog & lion, if he want from Muslims to consume meet. I think Allah is wrong here, How wonderful it were if Allah would have provided sharp & long teeth as teeth of… Read more »
truth seeker
truth seeker
5 years 1 month ago

@sshama
Brother Allah made the fool of Muslim. If he would have not created Saitan & Kufr like Vajra, Vik and many other, then there will never arise question on Islam. I think biggest faulty is Allah, he cheated the muslim by sending Kufr & Saitan.

truth seeker
truth seeker
5 years 1 month ago

@sshama
Brother one question, why Allah wants his worship? Why his one & last intention people worship him & for which he made this universe. Why he obsessed with worship?

KalBhairav
KalBhairav
5 years 1 month ago
@Aslam Mirza: First convince holier-than-thou true followers of the Rasool Allah – Sunnis and Shias – that you Mirza Ghulam Ahmadiyas are human beings and not Kufrs. Then you can come here trying to proselytize us Kufrs. You see, bro, I do want to avoid hell. Just want to know… Read more »
KalBhairav
KalBhairav
5 years 1 month ago

@Aslam Mirza:

Varja
Varja
5 years 1 month ago
Whoever Fulfilled the Requirements of Tawheed Will Enter Paradise Without a Reckoning Allah (swt ), says: ” Verily, Ibrahim was an Ummah [a leader, good and righteous] obedient to Allah, Haneefan [worshipping none but Allah], and he was not one of the polytheists” (Qur’an 16:120) Allah (swt ), informs us… Read more »
Vajra
5 years 1 month ago

Hey Varja, here I am 🙂

Just imagine how can you achieve bliss of God/Allah when you believe in dirty concepts of deception? If you have guts come forward with your real Islamic name and debate or get lost

Vik
Vik
5 years 1 month ago

@Vajra

Namaste brother Vajra,

I think it is the Yeah Me guy who was once caught on the Agniveer site by Agniveer Admin.

Vajra
5 years 1 month ago

Brother Vik

People like Yeah Me are abundant in Madarsas! No wonder this person is another Yeah Me with same credentials 🙂

Vik
Vik
5 years 1 month ago

Yess, I agree

KalBhairav
KalBhairav
5 years 1 month ago

Al Taqiyya – thats what Allah’s momins have started resorting to now?

KalBhairav
KalBhairav
5 years 1 month ago

It appears that the image next to a username is tied to the email id. So, as long as one’s email id is unknown to the momins, we can verify who is posting by matching the image alongside.

sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
@Vajra: ‘1. Bowing is not same as worshipping in Vedas. Is it same in Islam? 2. What was that which Satan refused to obey ?” Who is talking about vedas.Bowing can be considered as worshipping or atleast form of worshiping. Now if your dictionary speaks something different you may go… Read more »
Kaetan-Hitz Bhatt
Kaetan-Hitz Bhatt
3 years 10 months ago
So techically, Satan refused to bow and respect another being…..and got kicked out of heaven….sounds about right Bowing means to offer respect, why do you pull a compass out and pray in the direction of mecca? if allah created everything then you should be able to pray in any direction?… Read more »
Vajra
5 years 1 month ago
NAMASTE sshama ————-Is it that simple??————- You talked of simplicity not me. You related simplicity with cleanliness not me. I just extrapolated your logic to the more cleaner creature so that you can have access to more simpler ways 🙂 ————-So lets start from you. Charity begins at home.———— Why?… Read more »
jaget
jaget
5 years 1 month ago
LIVE ALL THE RELIGION AND SIMPLY CHANT THE NAME OF GOD !!! HINDU,MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN, BUDDHA @ JEWS WHATEVER YOU ARE…….. IN THIS KALI YUGA SIMPLY CHANTING THE NAME GOD AND THEN YOU WILL BECOME FIRST CLASS BRAMANA. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY….NO OTHER WAY….NO OTHER WAY….THIS IS SOLUTION !!!!!!
truth seeker
truth seeker
5 years 1 month ago

@sshama
Bowing for example
Brother, I bow head before my parents, teacher, & other scholars to show them my gratefulness towards them. It is way of showing politeness to elders. But Why do you bow head before stones like Kaba or Masjid. Which gratefulness you are showing to stone.

truth seeker
truth seeker
5 years 1 month ago
@sshama Brother According to Kuran enjoyment comes in living or doing sex with 72 Virgins. Kuran Allah depend of Virgins for giving enjoyment to his follower. But According to Veda real enjoyment is living in inspiration of God all the time that called Moksh. Veda glorify only God not virgins.… Read more »
sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
@Vajra: ‘More clean is to consume human flesh than any other Simpler isn’t that?” Is it that simple?? So lets start from you. Charity begins at home. Kill your family members and consume their flesh and show the world how simple it is. Got the point. So dont try to… Read more »
sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago

@truthseeker: ‘.Why do not you eat pork’
Coz it is unclean. Simple isnt that ??

truth seeker
truth seeker
5 years 1 month ago
sshama Why do not you eat pork’ Coz it is unclean. Simple isnt that ?? Comment: But you talked of health. So pork & human flesh is very useful for making strong body. It is healthier then beef. But You are successor of monster who thinks opposite, Veda give instruction… Read more »
Vajra
5 years 1 month ago

NAMASTE sshama

More clean is to consume human flesh than any other 😉 Simpler isn’t that?

sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
@Vik: ‘Do you know Sanskrit? Please enlighten us with these “many” meanings of Namaste!’ If namaste has only meaning of bowing then reject it straighforwardly. As far as other meanings are concerned I dont care, whatever meaning you derive, it has also one meaning as bowing or revering or praying,… Read more »
truth seeker
truth seeker
5 years 1 month ago
@sshama Namaste is not worshipping. According to Veda actual worship of God by concentrating on God within oneself on the point between two eyebrow & recite the god name within heart not by mouth unlike shouting Allah-Allah as you think Allah is deaf & lives miles away from you or… Read more »
Vajra
5 years 1 month ago

sshama

1. Bowing is not same as worshipping in Vedas. Is it same in Islam?

2. What was that which Satan refused to obey ?

sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
@vik: which stupid person told you non veg food is health??? Why do people who eat non veg food encounter so many diseases??? Why dont you pass it on this invention to the bodybuilders and health websites. Poor guys still think non-veg food gives proteins and is responsible for the… Read more »
Vik
Vik
5 years 1 month ago
@Sshama Namaste Sshama, Sshama why are you proving all those stupid hadiths true which say that women have less intelligence???? Where is your intelligence dear?? Bodybuilders in the gym even recommend taking STERIODS in other words, DRUGS to help build a healthy body, do you agree with that?? Ok forget… Read more »
jaget
jaget
5 years 1 month ago

What kind human being you are? After watching the Glass Wall still you are so fool and say eat meeting in no harm….. Cut your own hand eat .

jaget
jaget
5 years 1 month ago

DUll brain cannot see things clearly. Its intelegent take by MAYA.

jaget
jaget
5 years 1 month ago

The best conclusion is the meat eater should eat their own son. Then every thing will alright.

truth seeker
truth seeker
5 years 1 month ago
@sshama Eating pork also most healthier.Why do not you eat pork. Why do you not eat flesh of your father & mother who are old and useless? If there is question health Pork & human flesh should be consumed for sound health. Although Veda is against any kind of meat… Read more »
sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
‘. Our digestive system can digest even human flesh and blood. In fact many parts of human bodies can provide large amounts of nutrients. Does it mean we should start eating dead bodies instead of burying them and drinking their blood?’ The writer said the above. Never did Dr. zakir… Read more »
Grow Up 7th Century Zombies
Grow Up 7th Century Zombies
5 years 1 month ago
Meat-eaters: have claws, Herbivores: no claws, Humans: no claws Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue, Herbivores: perspire through skin pores, Humans: perspire through skin pores Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding, Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat… Read more »
Grow Up 7th Century Zombies
Grow Up 7th Century Zombies
5 years 1 month ago

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4YX_iVWIe0

Grow Up &th Century Zombies
Grow Up &th Century Zombies
5 years 1 month ago
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864/ Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets. “It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are… Read more »
Vik
Vik
5 years 1 month ago
@Sshama which stupid person told you non veg food is health??? Why do people who eat non veg food encounter so many diseases??? Did you know NorthAmerica consumes so much non veg, but guess what the rate of hospital admission is very high in North America as well, do some… Read more »
sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago

@krishna : Sorry the post about bwing was for you and not for muin.

sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago

@Muin: Namste has many meanings and more meanings relate to bowing. Islam instructs monotheism and hence bowing is allowed only in front of Allah. Whether bowing means humbleness or not worshipping, discarding bowing will only take you more toweards monotheism.

Vajra
5 years 1 month ago
NAMASTE sshama ————-Namste has many meanings and more meanings relate to bowing.—————— Do you know Sanskrit? Please enlighten us with these “many” meanings of Namaste! —————-Islam instructs monotheism————– Visit http://satyagni.com/4270/islam-tauheed/ —————-and hence bowing is allowed only in front of Allah.—————- Do you know for what sin was Satan kicked out… Read more »
Muin
Muin
5 years 1 month ago
@krishna arya, GOTCHA! caught your real belief..you said”Whosoever you worship does not matter” this says it all ;your religion allows to worship anyone and not only bhagwan of vedas…. thats the reason hindus worship ram,krishna,ganpati ,animals ling-am etc… and what basis you advise Muslims to follow ved??? Also 100 crores… Read more »
krishna arya
5 years 1 month ago
————religion allows to worship anyone and not only bhagwan of vedas…. thats the reason hindus worship ram,krishna,ganpati ,animals ling-am———- o! mr. intelligencce! i meant to show that even if they worship those idols, lingams etc. this alone does not tag them for hell !! even after this they can get… Read more »
Muin
Muin
5 years 1 month ago
@adolf, Definition of ALLAH(CREATOR OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS AND LIVING CREATURES AND THE UNIVERSE): Qul huwallahu ahad – Say:Allah is ONE Allahus samad – He is Eternal Lamyalidwlam u lad – He begeths not nor is he begotten Walamyakul lahu kufuwan ahad – And ther is no one like him.… Read more »
Kaetan-Hitz Bhatt
Kaetan-Hitz Bhatt
3 years 10 months ago
You mention allah has no form, yet when he pops down here on judgement day, on a throne carried by his farishtey…as mentioned in your holey quran, how does a formless item sit on a throne…maybe he has buttocks? By the way ‘holey’ is not a typing error. holey refers… Read more »
adolf
adolf
5 years 1 month ago
@Muin: >>Allah is one How do you know he is one and not two? >> He is Eternal He might be dead by now as no one knew where he is or how he looks. >>He begeths not nor is he begotten He may be an orphan, poor child he… Read more »
Muin
Muin
5 years 1 month ago

@adolf,
i have mentioned who and what is Allah but you have not mentioned the difinition of Bhagwan??? why??? avoiding the question???

adolf
adolf
5 years 1 month ago

Read all points clearly

>>and now define your Bhagwan
Bhagawan is nothing but the whole universe.

muslims are the masters of declaring themselves victorious though defeated.

adolf
adolf
5 years 1 month ago
@Muin >>again caught your real belief! you said bhagwan is nothing but whole universe… and that says it all ….no more argument is reqd to expose your ved religion The argument is about Allah not about Ved or my belief. As you are not able to prove Allah exists. I… Read more »
Vajra
5 years 1 month ago
@Muin Hey Brother, you did not tell us that the true form of your Quran Mazhab is Qadiyani as told by your Brother Aslam! You are a liar. You all fight each other and have your own belief systems. At least Hindus dont kill each other on sectarian basis but… Read more »
Aman
Aman
5 years 1 month ago
@Aslam: But Zakir Naik and all other Muslim scholars say that Ahmadiyyas are Kafirs. Pakistan has even banned them. So either you are correct or Zakir Naik. If Ahmadiyyas are True islam, then Zakir Naik is a cheat. I want to know why other Muslims torture Ahmadiyyas so much? Can… Read more »
Aslam Mirza
5 years 1 month ago

Salam all Hindu Brothers

Please do not see Sunni or Shia or Wahabis to understand real Islam. Please visit http://www.alislam.org/ and discover True Islam.

Inshallah you all find Hidaya and peace.

Muin
Muin
5 years 1 month ago

@adolf,

again caught your real belief! you said bhagwan is nothing but whole universe…

and that says it all ….no more argument is reqd to expose your ved religion….

sshama
sshama
5 years 1 month ago
‘we already know that all he does is to copy-paste from previous books from copyrighted Qadiyani sources without acknowledging the author ‘ First of all this is not copy paste coz there are lot of additions and modifications from the Dr. Zakirs side, if at all this is copy paste,… Read more »
adolf
adolf
5 years 1 month ago
@muin, >> Oh Allah do not exists?? I think you do not know the meaning of Allah.. This is what you said here on this website and you have to let me know what allah is here on this website. I cannot come to your irfsite and do a phd… Read more »
Muin
Muin
5 years 1 month ago

@adolf – want to know ALLAH and more visit irf.net and educate yourself.

Muin
Muin
5 years 1 month ago

@dharmayoddha – regd As-salaam , as i said it Arabic language and you have given your own meaning again this says something about your sanskaar ?? may be you learned from Ved religion how to manipulate and i am not surprised…

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