Muhammad is perhaps the most misrepresented person in history. He is perhaps the most loved and most hated person engulfing the world today.

Many followers of Islam worship him as the most perfect personality in history. To them, anything written in name of Muhammad becomes example. And then, they attempt to justify the same. On other hand, ex-Muslims and rationalists blame Muhammad for being a violent lascivious person whose teachings and manipulations have caused bloody warfare throughout history and cause terrorism today.

You will find plethora of references from Hadiths and Quran and also from biographies of Muhammad that portray him as a characterless power-hungry psychopath. There is a tremendous literature on this aspect of Muhammad. A lot of material is available on internet as well.

Spurred by the strong opinions – both positive and negative – that are available on Muhammad, I set out to explore his life and evaluate what would have made him so hated and so loved. I shall detail summary findings in this post. But the conclusion was very clear – Muhammad was a legendary revolutionary far ahead of his times and perhaps one of the most inspiring persons of history. Had I lived in his era, I would have been his fan without an iota of doubt. But only a few could understand the man and his vision properly.

Thus his character has been maligned both by his admirers and detractors. His admirers view him as final answer to everything ignoring the fact that he was a human, and as every human he was subject to social and cultural conditioning as per his era. As every human, he had his own set of imperfections. Any attempt to justify an imperfection of any human only maligns and dilutes the positive aspects and noble deeds of legends.  On other hand, his detractors find him an easy scapegoat for all the nonsense that happens in name of Islam – gender discrimination, slavery, terrorism, bomb blasts, hijacking and superstitions. They refuse to dig deeply and explore the possibilities of Muhammad being victim of situations and false slander.

One day, I would love to write a detailed biography of this great legend. But for now, I would provide sufficient points to explore the third possibility – a visionary revolutionary noble intentioned legend being misinterpreted and misrepresented.

a. Just think for a while. Why would he call his religion Islam (that means peace) and its followers Muslims (those who humbly submit) if he were to propagate violence and violent means? He could have chosen some other name as well. But why there has been a specific emphasis on Peace and Humility? To me that is the primary theme of Muhammad’s message and everything else should be interpreted in this light alone.

b. The Arab of his times was deeply drenched in immorality and superstitions. If you carefully study his life, you would find that he risked even his life to bring the corrupt Arabic culture of his times towards enhanced sensibilities. He was born in an era where people even used to marry each others’ daughters. Incest was also prevalent and so was slavery. He knew that these practices could not be stopped instantaneously. Not having opportunity to learn from any teacher and complete even a basic education, he began a self-motivated journey of analysis of the practices of his times and trying to discover what should be the right way. He did it to best of his capabilities and knowledge. And considering his education and society, he could think of a long way. He then tried to stop or dilute many of these practices through a variety of tactics – by explaining to them, by showing them fear, by giving them incentives and at times even fighting them.

c. Despite all greatness, Muhammad was still a human and subject to social conditioning as per his times. Often people question why he married a kid and his daughter-in-law. But they forget that in those times, even incest was common. Compared to that, Muhammad came a long way. He showed a great example of monogamy in his first marriage, which was a rare exception in his times. After death of her first wife, he did marry many others including Aisha when she was 6 years old, and Zainab who was wife of his adopted son. He also kept concubines. But instead of criticizing him for these, we should understand that these were fairly accepted practices of his times. We should admire the fact that he did stress on monogamy, even though he himself could not follow it. He also stressed on not marrying in very close relations. So he was in fact a visionary for his society.

d. Similarly, while he could not think of a world where slavery does not exist, he did make freeing of slaves count as a noble deed. He also thought of giving his concubines at least half the status of his wives and their children equal status. In a world of Arabs, where women had no status of dignity or had even basic rights, he could acknowledge that two women equal intelligence of one man.

e. When he had married several times, he realized that polygamy has its peril. So he restricted Muslims from more than 4 marriages. Since keeping concubines was fairly common, he allowed that but on condition that children of concubine at least get same status in family as that of children from wives. Had he lived a few years more, he may have had eradicated slavery and concubines completely.

f. Meat was primary diet of his era. Yet he called for compassion on animals. We may complain that he did not ban meat-eating altogether. But we forget that it would have been too ridiculous for his times considering that meat was staple diet of his times. We should admire the foresight shown by Muhammad that has made many Muslims the most ardent proponents of Vegetarianism. Visit islamveg.org. They are aptly carrying ahead the true mission of Muhammad.

g. People blame him for calling himself as final prophet and asking them to believing in him alone. What else could he have done when everybody was trying to fool people in name of religion and nonsense was happening in name of previously known religious books? He simply wanted people to not be distracted by this. The scientific literature of the East was not available in Arab. All they had were books of superstitions. To put an end to these, he asserted that they were no more necessary and they should follow his message alone.

h. When he found people so intoxicated by stupidity and superstitions, he thought of a great plan. He had been suffering from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy (TLE) from childhood. So he said that he had visions of true teachings of God and hence everyone should stop believing in false practices. He claimed that the TLE bouts were actually times when he had supernatural experiences and visions of true knowledge. Scientists have now discovered that TLE patients tend to be more religious, in any case.

Thus he used even his debility to help people and society. What can be a better example of foresight and self-abnegation!

i. Since many people, primarily Pagans were turning lazy due to belief that they would do good things in next life. So to make them more action oriented he said to them that this life is the only life and they should make best of it. In return, all good things that they aspire for would be gifted to them by God. And if they refuse to do good things, they will burn in Hell. He found no other ploy that could work against such dumb-headed and perverted people.

j. Muhammad had no access to philosophy of the East. He knew that the earlier books known to his society were full of glaring loopholes. Yet he also sensed that even his teachings could also not be fully perfect. So he referred that the true knowledge of God is much vast in scope and is the source of true knowledge. Is it not great foresight that he could admit Vedas as original complete source book of all knowledge, even though he had no access to it? He mentions several times that he believes that East has a spiritual fragrance. He has mentioned also that the old eternal knowledge of God is perfect. Maybe if he had lived a bit longer or had got access to Vedas, things would have been much simpler for him and he could have become a Vedic preacher.

k. But Muhammad had another dilemma as well. If he did not state that his teachings are full and final, he knew that even some of his rogue followers would keep coming up with new teachings to fool people. So he stated that Quran is the last word and there would be no further changes.

And alas! This noble act of Muhammad became cause of all the distortions and misrepresentations that people have about Muhammad and his true Islam, true Quran, true religion.

l. His followers deceived him. They knew that Quran has not yet been compiled. So they imprisoned Muhammad and started spreading false stories and false verses in his name. They knew that Muhammad had bouts of TLE Epilepsy. So they would spread any false thing and then then tell Muhammad that he said so in his epilepsy bout. Since he would not remember clearly and hallucinate in these bouts, his trustworthy followers found an easy way to add whatever they wanted in name of divine message given to Muhammad in his vision.

m. Once Muhammad caught this. He is said to have uttered something in one of the bouts that was against his ideology. He immediately retracted it by saying that he was captured by Satan and hence they were Satanic verses.

n. Thus Muhammad’s teachings were caught between manipulations by several individuals and groups who were looking for their own selfish goals, and some good intentioned followers. Hence Quran and Hadiths become a mixture of original teachings of Muhammad interspersed with unverifiable manipulations. Thus one can easily find innumerable contradictions and glaring inconsistencies in Quran.

o. Once Muhammad rose to power, his followers used him as the face of Islam but overwhelmed him. At times they would put him in embarrassing positions in his bouts and then threaten or fool him to justify that as a divine revelation. Some such events include cohabitation with his daughter-in-law, semen marks on his clothes which Aisha scratched with her fingernails and illegitimate sex with her slave in bed of his wife Hafsa, among other events. One is not sure if these events actually happened in first place, or Muhammad was dragged into them by misusing his epileptic fits. But they do not seem to fit into the noble thoughts and character of Muhammad.

p. As evidence of his foresight, Muhammad could sense the doom that is coming. He had started to doubt his trustworthy people and felt helpless. He thus stated that of the 72 sects of Islam, only one is on path of truth. But by then it was too late. He was gradually poisoned to dumb his mind and finally he died.

q. The process of compilation of Quran happened after his death and there was a bitter fight among his followers. The fight was desperate because the winner would decide what the final Quran that goes to world as only authentic Quran, would look like and would have access to growing Muhammadism. And indeed that happen. The Quran we see today was compiled not by Muhammad but by his followers who were fighting each other like bloody hounds.

r. He was deceived by Aisha, his child-bride, who was too smart for her age. Muhammad had adopted this child from his friend and had a paternal affection to her. Whether he was actually her husband or godfather is unclear. That Aisha was his wife seems not to match the great character and ideology of Muhammad. That should be explored further.

But by the time she reached youth, Muhammad was on death-bed. She was smart enough to manipulate Muhammad from very beginning, perhaps on instructions of someone else. She would always claim that Muhammad had a bout of epilepsy/ revelation whenever Muhammad was with her. And Muhammad because of short-term memory loss would be helpless to admit to them.

Soon it became a trend that Ayats would be revealed to Muhammad only when he was with Aisha. Thus in Quran we have today, apart from the Ayats that were supposed to have been revealed in Ramadan, almost all the rest have been stated to be revealed when Muhammad was alone with Aisha. Thus we have only Aisha to trust reliability of these verses or Ayats.

s. What more, she also had power to manipulate most Hadiths. Today bulk of Hadiths relate to evidence of Aisha or her henchmen.

So smart was she that she even allowed breast-feeding to adults as a ploy to have motherly close relations with them. Claiming it to be a hadith, she and her sisters used it to come close to men in privacy!

t. Not everyone could manipulate the Quran. But that was easier in case of Hadiths. And today, Islam is predominantly as per what is written in these Hadiths. Because the practices of Islam today are governed by Hadiths primarily. Quran is more generic in nature and hence does not spell out much detail.

In case of Hadiths, it was almost free for all. Everyone compiled their own stories as parts of Hadiths. Thus you would find blatant vulgarity, contradictions and even stupid jokes in these Hadiths. Scholars keep fighting on which is a weak Hadith and which is strong. Further, each sect of Islam follows its own Hadiths.

u. Once Muhammad died, bitter fighting began. Aisha, supposed to be dearest to Muhammad fought against even his most loyal followers. The history of Islam has been that of bloodshed since then. The various sects have continued to fight and no follower of islam (peace) as given by Muhammad was spared from it. All immediate followers of Muhammad were engaged in bloody warfare after his death. Many of the Caliphs were murdered and deceiving each other was rampant.

v. Muhammad was indeed prophetic to have seen all this. That is why he said that of the 72 groups, only one is in path of truth. He ensured that his true message of peace finds place in the adulterated Quran and Hadiths. Any reader of Quran can find original message of Muhammad mixed with later day adulterations.

He even inserted in Quran (3.144) his concern that he may be killed. It seems he had realized that he was being slow-poisoned and his epilepsy is being used to make him a prisoner.

w. Final Quran was ready around 10-20 years after his death. Knowing that he has been cheated by his own people, Muhamamad did force insertion of “bismillah rahamanurrahimi” as a prerequisite to reciting any verse of Quran. It emphasizes that
“One and only one who has Compassion and Bliss is to be followed”. He deliberately inserted this Basmala out of context to prevent the sinking ship for drowning. Note that initially this Basmala was rejected because Raham and Rahim that form basis of this phrase or not Arabic words. But even though this does not come in any verse, Muhammad forced insertion of this Basmala as first words to utter when reciting Quran.

x. Muhammad did the best he could do, but the ship eventually sunk. How could it have been saved when someone like Aisha who is claimed to be divinely provided to Muhammad by angels, and whom Muhammad nurtured from very childhood deceived him. He is supposed to have been killed by two of his dearest wives – Aisha and Hafsa by order of their fathers Abu Bakr and Omar. Please refer to research by Shaykh Yasser Al-Habib.

Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HiMgW9yd7w

After Muhammad was dead, and they had manipulated Quran and Hadiths to significant extents, they then started fighting and killing other followers of Muhammad. They also started proclaiming that if one questions anything in Quran, he or she would go to Hell. Free speech, which was the core characteristic of Muhammad was completely banned.

y. Since then, the warring factions of Muslims would try to justify anything and everything in name of Islam, analyzing not even for a while that lack of questioning and violence go against basic essence of Islam as put by Muhammad.

And when progressive Muslims try to rise above clutches of a questionable Quran and try to abide by core essence of Muhammad, they are threatened through fatwas and Hadiths which justify killing of one who deserts Islam.

(There are hadiths and verses which even state that Muhammad used to spit on mouth of others because his saliva had healing properties, or that Muhammad would not always wash hands after bowels, or how one should rub hands in dust and on mouth if one ejaculates but find no water, or how one is allowed to keep concubines, or how one should kill non-believers in month of Ramadan, and many other ridiculous concepts which any person with scientific temper cannot believe in. But still, when open minded Muslims try to rise above it rejecting it all as unreasonable, they have to face threat of fanatics. Interestingly, one Hadith states that one who deserts the faith deserves to be killed, and even if one has to raid in night, or cheat or kill children and women of non-believers, that is justified. Another even justifies rape of widows of those who have been just killed in battle! All this falsehood in name of Muhammad!)

Muhammad gave all the clear hints that Quran is not complete and final and that true knowledge of God is much vast and complete. Nowadays many Muslim scholars have started accepting that Muhammad used to consider Vedas as the first book of wisdom of God. But instead of going further and embracing Vedas, they would try to use this as a ploy to pull non-Muslims towards the interpolated Quran.

But for the wise and open-minded, there are sufficient hints from Muhammad’s own life and deeds, as well as those of his bloodthirsty followers who compiled the Quran and Hadiths, that the core essence of Muhammad’s teachings lie in freedom of expression, progression of human rights, peace and guts to revise stand
(Muhammad used to revise his stands several times. Once he would realize that a mistake happened, he would humbly state that another verse countering the previous one is revealed. Later, it was used as a ploy to reject many of Muhammad’s original teachings by his bloodthirsty followers)

And eventually they lead to the source of spiritual fragrance in East (in Muhammad’s words) – to the Vedas and their scientific spirit.

Muhammad tried to do the best with whatever he knew and same should be done by people today. Instead of taking Quran literally and causing disturbances by blindly believing in superstitions, they should inculcate the scientific and tolerant temper and follow the footsteps of legends like Abul Kalam, Ashfaqullah and Abdul Hamid.

Many progressive Muslims true to spirit of Muhammad are indeed doing so. May God help them in their struggle to rise above fanatic threats of false Muslims who are disgracing Muhammad by their deeds and beliefs. May God help them combat the handiwork between likes of Osama Bin Laden and their vocal supporters like Zakir Naik.

We are with them by all means because we share the same religion – that of humanity.

Consider Muhammad has a final messenger as given finally in Quran and Hadiths as popular today – and you may hate him as a fanatic!

But consider Muhammad as a human being – and you would find him a genius misunderstood.  a visionary, a legend who could not be stopped even by his own mental and physical debilities to surge towards his mission. A Muhammad in true sense – one who is worthy of being praised!

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  • ooppsssssssss……..i m fed up wid da MuhMad and his AllaH (the ra_cal allein from diff. planet ??)…….coz these both r always all around by me……..ridiculous………both are !!!…………these both entity are the most virulent species on the planet ever had…………….AllaH is the biggest broker on the planet…………….if u do bla bla bla…….u ll have 72 virgin+liq…..wot the hell is this Paradise and Hell………….hUh………….shit!!!!…….and Moslems are dying to get these stuffs………..no rational minds at all…….coz….all are blocked by da F**king Glor….QuraAn……..Iran was much more developed b4 shit Isam arrived…….but now a days no development….only M & his A……….sorry……….i m over ……….. wid these stuffs……….over here……hope dun mind…….i wanna leave this…..n…dun wanna join other Crap J…………..if someone knows…..i ll be put to the death for not beleiving in non-existing world…..CRAP………………..no prob’m !!!!! ;))))

  • Q1. Why Vedas are in Sanskrit.?

    Q2. Does god knows Sanskrit & invented language?

    Q3.Why God did not come to Russia or Papua New Guinea to pass Vedas?

    Q4. People getting burnt after dying, it merely damages nature by cutting trees & pollutes river by throwing ashes. Any prove ashes are good diet for fish. How would you feel like if you eat ashes? Does electronic cremation harms nature & why must it be used now?

    Q5. Why it so difficult for Vedas to be translated into English & spread to world?

    • Namaste vedaspreachers

      A1. Because Vedas are the first knowledge from God to humans INCLUDING language. So there were no human generations and thus no language before first four Rishis were enlightened by this knowledge.

      A2. Yes.

      A3. God even did not come to India 🙂 Vedas were passed to the very first generation of humans on EARTH, so no question of India or Russia

      A4. I would like to know your religious beliefs in general and belief in cremation/burial in particular before answering this question

      A5. First of all English does not mean the World. There are more people who know Chinese than who know English. Anyway, each Mantra of Vedas has so many dimensions that it is impossible to incorporate each of those by a human. One can just try and never claim his translations perfect. Only Rishis are supposed to translate Vedas (still there will be scope of improvement in their works) which can just provide impulse to the people to explore more. So any translation can guide you to the better place but in the end you have to realize the true meanings of Vedas through your soul and not through words.

      • vedaspreachers reply

        @Vajra says:
        March 18, 2011 at 12:38 PM

        Namaste vedaspreachers

        A1. Because Vedas are the first knowledge from God to humans INCLUDING language. So there were no human generations and thus no language before first four Rishis were enlightened by this knowledge.

        qns:-If there was no language, how do Rishis communicate earlier? How do they learn Sanskrit?

        A2. Yes.

        qns:- If it is then why only Sanskrit, why not other language. Why people till now having difficulties understanding it.

        A3. God even did not come to India 🙂 Vedas were passed to the very first generation of humans on EARTH, so no question of India or Russia

        Qns:- So which part of Earth did God came to?

        A4. I would like to know your religious beliefs in general and belief in cremation/burial in particular before answering this question

        Qns:- i am asking practical qns? Why are you so reluctant in answering prior not knowing my beliefs? For me I am just exploring religion and do not have any specific one.

        A5. First of all English does not mean the World. There are more people who know Chinese than who know English. Anyway, each Mantra of Vedas has so many dimensions that it is impossible to incorporate each of those by a human. One can just try and never claim his translations perfect. Only Rishis are supposed to translate Vedas (still there will be scope of improvement in their works) which can just provide impulse to the people to explore more. So any translation can guide you to the better place but in the end you have to realize the true meanings of Vedas through your soul and not through words.

        Qns:- Do not beat around bush. Be practical and answer. If there were no knowledge what mankind will know right or wrong. Till today no one can translate Sanskrit to English correctly. What
        is authenticity of Vedas then?

      • 1)who taught you to breathe?
        2)people have difficulties as they don’t understand the panni grammar which takes a long time to master.
        ( just for eg samskrit has singular,double and plural, if an individual speaking any other language reads samskrit mantras having a double object he may misunderstand it as plural.. and the whole mantra will give him a totally diff meaning)
        3) God never comes and will not come to earth , he/she/it(cant describe God by a qualifier you see) does not need to ..
        4)http://Satyagni.com/611/naik-faq-hinduism/

        why do Muslims create a permanent structure around the burial? Why do they construct Kabras, Makbaras and memorials on places of death that remain unused for ages to come? The fact is that practice of burial permanently wastes land space. The practice of cremation ensures that neither does decaying body spread disease nor it occupies further place

        5) authenticity of a scripture is not proportional to the ability of human capability of translation, the question should be then why humans are incapable to translate the vedas, and for that question .. refer point 1.

      • namaste !

        1. ——-If there was no language, how do Rishis communicate earlier? How do they learn Sanskrit?————–

        it was in samadhi when the knowledge came to rishis and then based on meaning(which already originated in heart) and their mantras (which are words) ancient seers devised out a complete sutras for the sanskrit language.
        that is why the language so perfect, rich in vocablury and became basis of the all languages in world.
        // this is as per satyartha prakash//

        2.————–If it is then why only Sanskrit, why not other language. Why people till now having difficulties understanding it.————–

        as i said sanskrit was first language since perception of mankind , hence in sanskrit .. for at that time no other language was in existense so no question of partiality..

        3.———- So which part of Earth did God came to?————-

        sir it is not the god of quran , that he should have to talk behind curtains or, send an angel to dictate his message… Vedic God is in true sense omnipresent and in the soul of those rishis and so originated knowledge within them while residing within them… 🙂

        4.——————i am asking practical qns? Why are you so reluctant in answering prior not knowing my beliefs? For me I am just exploring religion and do not have any specific one————–

        here in vedic dharma we believe that as a person dies the soul leaves out, the rest of body is just like old cloths and now you have to end it up in some way it causes minimum harm to environment, doing cremation as burning is preferred which is in itself given form of grand yajna.. (Narmedh Yajna) . but since now even trees are scarce, the hindus are also accepting the electric crematoriums…
        but it is difficult for muslims for if they dont burry and waste some land then how would they rise up at judgement day/night? 🙂

        5. the diverse vocablury of sanskrit and diverse meanings , the depth of sanskrit language can be understood after learning it only. as we say sanskrit was mother language and all other are slowly developed distorted forms, hence none languages including english is perfect to clarify the concepts..
        eg. sanskrit we have– dev, ishvar, parmeshvar, parmatma ====>> God !!
        so! my comment to be read along with very usable links provided in other comments.. for cremation question.

    • Q1. Why Vedas are in Sanskrit.?

      Q2. Does god knows Sanskrit & invented language?

      Q3.Why God did not come to Russia or Papua New Guinea to pass Vedas?

      Q4. People getting burnt after dying, it merely damages nature by cutting trees & pollutes river by throwing ashes. Any prove ashes are good diet for fish. How would you feel like if you eat ashes? Does electronic cremation harms nature & why must it be used now?

      Q5. Why it so difficult for Vedas to be translated into English & spread to world?

      A1 Sanskrit is a language which is a main branch of indo european languages.The rishis expressed the revelations in sanskrit.
      Vedas being in sanskrit is of no importance because hinduism does not put anyone who donot know vedas or who do not praise god in eternal hell.

      A2.God being all knower knows the thoughts of all the beings.
      Thoughts and language are different things and god do not need to understand language to know about thoughts.
      So whatever language you pray god understands irrespective of language and how you pray.

      A3. Did anyone said that god came to rishis in some form to tell them about vedas? Moreover how do you know that the knowledge which is available in vedas
      is not known by some one in russia or africa? The name vedas may not be used but the knowledge vedas imply may be known by many irrespective of language and geography.

      A4. Do you call sand or algae in river as pollution? Cutting trees damages nature??Then why dont you stop eating and die you are damaging nature!!
      No need to prove ashes are diet for fish as no one made a statement like that. Electronic cremation needs electricity which is not available to all people on earth at all times. Even electric cremation produces ash and it has to be disposed some where.Cremation is lot better and environment friendly than permanet occupation of space by dead ,when living beings dont have space.

      A5. Does any one made a statement that only if you know vedas and know the passage XY.Z.Nonsense will give you passport to heaven(better place than arabian desert). It is difficult for ordinary people other than rishis to translate the verses without loosing the meaning.

      All your questions are based upon an assumption that vedic knowledge is prerequisite and passport to heaven, and whoever does not follow vedas will go to eternal hell.Hinduism does not have any concept of eternal hell.There are infinite ways to sacchidanda(existence,awareness,bliss) and belief in GOD is the highway to tha goal.Even if you believe in allah or yahweh you will attain the same goal.

      • I am not buying your idea of answers. If God pass language to Rishis, then on what basis you say Rishis learn from God since, he is unseen and we cannot hear God.

        Vajra mention Vedas come on earth you said, now you start different story. What prove you have from Vedas that I should believe you.

        for A5 do not exaggerate and just give me appropriate answer, if you know how to translate.

      • And yeah About the A4, Well your Vedas follower Agnostic in this thread have written fish eat the ashes. And it is already proven chopping of trees and burning is not environment friendly. Are you still living in 15th century. what you talking @ river, well anything goes in water whether its oil, chemicals, plastic, ashes, paper, wood or any material will always damage the sea. Why do people create awareness of not to pollute river then are they insane. Wake up buddy..

        -::Best burial is dig the sand and reuse the land for others, no need any erection or rights to follow::-

        simple logic

      • Namaste @vedaspreches

        just venture outside the madars ..a beautiful factual world awaits you !

        you are not aware of the problems burials pose for the dead as well as the living : read this
        source:http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ihlyrogWfNHUzwku59QuaD9B0mlA

        scroll down to the end of this link and see how a jelly fish reaches for the biodegradable ashes
        source:http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/green-living/news-cremation-environmentally-friendly-0

        But i won’t deny that cremation (which by the way is exceptionally better than burials) does have a few negatives in terms of eco-friemndliness. here’s a balanced view
        source:http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/cremation-eco-friendly.html

        Well the Christians (thanks to their higher literacy rate) in India have chosen the wise option
        “No graves, Mumbai Christians go for cremation”
        http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-graves-mumbai-christians-go-for-cremation/112557-3.html

        simple logic backed by facts 🙂

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        Namaste @vedaspreches

        just venture outside the madars ..a beautiful factual world awaits you !

        you are not aware of the problems burials pose for the dead as well as the living : read this
        source:google – /hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ihlyrogWfNHUzwku59QuaD9B0mlA

        scroll down to the end of this link and see how a jelly fish reaches for the biodegradable ashes
        source:environmentalgraffiti – /green-living/news-cremation-environmentally-friendly-0

        But i won’t deny that cremation (which by the way is exceptionally better than burials) does have a few negatives in terms of eco-friemndliness. here’s a balanced view
        source:planetgreen.discovery- /food-health/cremation-eco-friendly.html

        Well the Christians (thanks to their higher literacy rate) in India have chosen the wise option
        “No graves, Mumbai Christians go for cremation”
        http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-graves-mumbai-christians-go-for-cremation/112557-3.html

        simple logic backed by facts 🙂

      • @vedaspreches
        A4 >> Explained by IA with proofs.
        If you still insist I can suggest you one thing to keep environment clear eat the dead bodies yourself. You dont need to spend money for your food and you are helping environment.

        A5>> Vedas are revealed to rishis. This is same as burning bush incident of moses. I do not know how to translate vedas.
        Even for learning how to chant vedas correctly,forget about meaning it will take around 14 years of schooling for a dull brain like me. To understand the vast literature correctly you must be a jnani and well learned in sciences too,otherwise we cannot translate atharva veda.
        However as you insist, I will first try translating Quran and Bible as they will appeal more to my porn addicted peadophile mind.

  • This article is an insult to the hard work being done by Faithfreedom, Ali Sina, Islam Watch, Answering Islam and other websites critical of Islam. You have attributed everything good about Islam to Prophet Muhammad and everything bad to his followers. This is completely incorrect. This man was a fake, an impostor and in his life massacred thousands of people just because they refused to believe what he said. This article is an insult to all the innocent people who lost their lives in the past 1400 years because of Islamic Brutality. Even if Muhammad did not know that it was not Gabriel who was talking to him and just an illusion, he cannot be forgiven because there are so many verses that Muhammad surely invented in a sane condition. This Satyagni movement can do nothing about Islam (influencing Muslim and non-Muslim minds) if such articles are published.

    • @Shahid:

      I do not speak for Satyagni. Personally, as non-Muslims, it is probably quite difficult for many of us here to directly make personal attacks on the prophet whom Muslims hold as the greatest man ever to set foot on earth (although in some exchanges with jihadis that may be needed.) Dissing the other man’s concept of God is *usually* not our nature.

      From your userid, it appears that you may be an ex-Muslim. That gives you certain liberty to be more critical of the self-proclaimed prophet. That liberty, if exercised by us here, will usually completely shut the minds of many of our Muslim visitors. We lose that one small chance of appealing to the good that resides in EVERY human being – whether Muslim/Christian/atheist/Jew/Hindu especially when it comes to matters relating to religion.

      FF, Ali Sina and others are doing their part. We hope Satyagni will also do its part in smoothening the extremely rough and dangerous edges of Islam and make it compatible with modern society. This would include complete separation of “mosque” and state in all majority Muslim lands, removing blasphemy laws, removing the death sentence for apostasy, allowing a free market place for ideas (including non-Islamic religions and atheism) and not making religion the basis of nationhood. The earth belongs to us all and not just to Arab speaking, Kaaba kissing, goat slaughtering, Buddha-statue-destroying Talibanesque-types. Please try and let some of your Muslim/ex-Muslim friends, if any, be aware of Satyagni. Thx.

      • how desperate u r, now that you are begging the ex-muslims (actually the are hindus disguised under muslim user id), to do or contribute to your job. Allah is with them who are truthful, not the one who is on falsehood. Falsehood will perish. You will not need to beg for others if your mission is really truthful. You will get success from nature, like Zakir Naik is successful in his mission today.

      • @Wrongly Said:

        actually the are hindus disguised under muslim user id

        Prove it.

        You will not need to beg for others if your mission is really truthful.

        (Umm…nope…it was not begging. It was being polite and carrying on the conversation in the tone in which it was started. I understand you may not be aware of such things.)

        And you and others of your ilk being supremely confident that Islam is the truth will allow other (probably false?) religions to flourish in Momin-majority lands. After all the other religions are false and Allah will anyway deal with the followers of false religions, right? So, why do YOU bother?

        Also, because you are so convinced of Islamic truth, you will also work towards removing the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy under Shariah. Ready mate?

    • @Shahid Khan

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

      Narrated by Aisha:

      The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub [ritually impure due to sexual intercourse or semen discharge]. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar [dress worn below the waist] and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods.

      Is this really whom you believe to be the prophet of God?

      If your daughter/sister had her first menstruation at the age of 9, would YOU allow your daughter/sister (as her guardian) engaging in similar such behavior with a man aged 50+ and on top of that marrying him?

      • @Salkia You are mistaken. I am an almost ex-muslim. Officially, I am still a muslim as I have not converted to any other religion. You have not read my comment. You just saw my name and wrote a comment against Islam addressed to me.
        @Kal Bhairav I am sorry but I don’t think there are two versions of the truth. Toning down the language to a very polite level is alright but in this case Muhammad has been praised unnecessarily. I don’t think any muslim will endorse this view. I rather find Ali Sina’s view clearer i.e. Islam has to be eradicated in its entirety.
        I want to tell something to Satyagni here. You have called Arabia’s culture before Islam as corrupt. What makes you say that? Islam started in Mecca. At the time when Muhammad got his first ‘revelation’, he himself doubted whether he was possesed by devil. But his wife Khadijah(who was the richest lady of Mecca and that being the reason Muhammad remained commited to her so the funding does not stop) reinforced his A-V experiences being sent by God. At its start Islam hardly had any follower. So, Muhammad had to talk politely just as some verses reflect. An important point is that they did not even touch him despite his insulting Pagan Gods. But, when he came to Medina, he let loose his hatred against the polytheists. This is unnecessary glorification of Muhammad.

      • Namaste Brother Shahid Khan
        You are right! Truth cant have multiple versions. But there are many angles you can look it from. We all know that Quran, Hadith, and Seerat clearly prove Muhammad to be a pedophile, rapist, gangster, killer, and what not. However Muslims consider him the best man ever lived on earth. So one way is to lambast Muhammad and make Muslims furious so that they dont listen to you any more, or condemn Quran, Hadith, Seerat etc for denigrating Muhammad’s character, which will make Muslims think and will not make them run away from you. After all you also came to know about Muhammad from Hadith and Quran, which were definitely tampered after the death of Muhammad.

        So message is clear! If Muhammad was great, Quran, Hadith, and Seerat and all those believing in those are greatest enemies of Muhammad. If Quran etc are perfect then Muhammad cant be great. So give them the choice!

        Ali Sina condemns Muhammad but what does he offer to the Muslims as replacement of their faith, atheism? He might be saying the truth but what is his purpose? To eliminate Islam? Just imagine, if Islam, a theistic cult (though of worst kind) can damage the humanity so severely, what will atheistic cult do if comes to power? Theists always have some basis of morality that they have to answer their God, but what will happen to morality after atheism is established? Dont you think it will be worse than Islam?

        I think Satyagni provides an option in terms of faith to the people specially Muslims. Vedas clearly preach worship of One omnipresent and just Eeshvar with which no Muhammad or Jesus needs to be associated to get bliss.

        I would like you to visit http://Satyagni.com/series/vedic-lessons/ and share your views on those.

        Thanks

      • @Shahid Khan

        Brother, I apologize for jumping to conclusions. There are so many posts and comments here, you one ends up skimming through the content quickly.

        BUT what do you mean almost an Ex-Muslim? The way I see, the most important foundation of Islam is the Quran and Mohammed. The Hadith I posted showed Mohammed engaged in pedophilia and we all know the Quran is a bunch of crap. There is no science that is in the Quran that wasn’t known before and we all know that the world was flat and universe was Geo-centric according to Quran.

        Also, you don’t have to convert to another religion to “officially” be an Ex-Muslim. The path to finding a religion that will suit you can take years or might not even happen. So, just flush the Quran and spit on Mohammed’s image because these two things are poison for the mind. Let your spiritual journey begin with peace.

        Good Luck!

        Also, you seem like an educated man – please don’t tell me you believe in fairy tales like Adam and Eve, David & Goliath (Quran 2:250-251). What is stopping you from being a pure Ex-Muslim?!

      • @Salkia No problem. There are a lot of cmments here so it is easy to get confused. Yes maybe my terminology of ‘almost’ was incorrect. Many of my opinions are tentative and I am not an expert in Islam. But I have read enough to understand that it is not right for people.
        @Vajra I agree with you on the part that it is a choice between Muhammad and Muhammad of the Quran and Hadith. I am not so sure that atheistic cults will be worse than religious cults as many of the criminal acts are due to the promise of a great life after death.
        But, I got your point.

      • @shahid:

        I am sorry but I don’t think there are two versions of the truth. Toning down the language to a very polite level is alright but in this case Muhammad has been praised unnecessarily. I don’t think any muslim will endorse this view. I rather find Ali Sina’s view clearer i.e. Islam has to be eradicated in its entirety.

        Point well taken. Satyagni’s article may well have been written tongue-in-cheek. The idea probably was to introduce cognitive dissonance in the minds of our Muslim readers. Here is Mohammed all peaceful and loving and forgiving, yet Muslims today fall over themselves in issuing death sentences to blasphemers and apostates. “Religion of peace” and blasphemy, apostasy, eternal hellfire, etc. are mutually contradictory and the idea is to get Muslims to themselves acknowledge that the brand of Islam followed today is a “Religion of war”.

  • Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, says in (Young India):

    “I wanted to know the best of one who holds today’s undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind….I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life.”

    Michael H. Hart in his first book The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History (1978) which was a ranking of the 100 people who most influenced human history.Hart chose Muhammad as the first person on his list attributing this to the fact that Muhammad was “supremely successful” in both the religious and secular realms.

    • I too want to be AS supremely successful as mohammed bin abdullah the self-appointed founder of islam. I too want to found a new religion based on hatred for islam. And yes, enforce it down peoples throat at the force of the sword.

      Jai shri ram

      • Islam spread by means of proof and evidence to those who listened to the message and responded to it, and it spread by means of force and the sword to those who were stubborn and arrogant, until they were overwhelmed and became no longer stubborn, and submitted to that reality.

      • Namaste mansoor
        I have listened to the message but I found it a message of some Satan rather than of Allah. Am I arrogant? I dont accept a pedophile as my prophet. Am I arrogant? I refuse to accept polygamy, sex slavery, killing, abduction as divine acts. Am I arrogant?

        I dont submit to this false cult named Islam neither my ancestors did so. But your ancestors certainly submitted to the commands of rapist and killer Ghazis. BTW are you an Indian (sub continent) or Arab? Who were your ancestors?

        Will you force me by sword to convert to Islam?

      • Open your eyes and read what Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi said about greatest Prophet Mohammed.

        “I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble.”
        *Young India*(periodical), 1928, Volume X

        I donot think that you are well versed than your leader or you are?

      • mansoor
        Mohandas can be the scholar/leader for Muslims but not for me. BTW your last prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani claimed to receive revelations directly from Allah, why so? Why he was against Quran in claiming that he too got revelations when Quran says Muhammad to be the last man to receive those? He wrote that Quran is full of abuses! He further wrote that any Muslim who does not believe in him is a bastard!

        Have you ever read on Satyagni that Mohandas is our leader? Leave this “Das” aside and lets talk about some Alims of Islam. YOUR ALIMS Sir Syed Ahmad denied the existence of Satan and miracles, Anwar Shaikh calls Islam an Arab Imperialism and Muhammad a killer and rapist, Ghulam Jelani Barq wrote that Hadith demean Muhammad, Nyaj Fathepuri wrote that Muslims worship graves and thus they are idolaters, Maulana Mehboob Ali wrote that Allah is biggest Makkar, Ayatullah Khomeini wrote that Abu Bakr, Umar, and Aisha cheated Muhammad and were Kafirs, Sanaullah Amritsari wrote that flesh of swine is prohibited in warm countries, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani wrote that those who dont believe in him are bastards etc etc.

        So do you believe in these facts which YOUR Aalims have written? If no, are you well versed in Islam than your AALIMS or you are?

      • 1.Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani

        After the death of the first successor of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani,his movement split into two groups over the nature of Ghulam Ahmad’s prophethood.

        1.Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
        2.Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement

        The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believed that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had indeed been a “non-law-bearing” prophet whereas The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement,however, affirmed the traditional Islamic interpretation that there could be no prophet after Muhammad.The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement believes Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be the reformer of the 14th century Hijra and not a true prophet.

        Quran (Surah 33:40) and various authentic Hadith clearly speak of Muhammad as the last Prophet so those who donot believe in the finality of Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad are not more muslims.There were many people in the history who claimed to be a prophet after Prophet Muhammad.For example;Musailama al-Kazzab,Sajah al-Kahenah,Saf son of Sayyad etc.So there is no prophet after Muhammad.

        2.Anwar Shaikh

        He was not a scholar.He was just a author of some anti-islamic books.But he is not considered expert in the field of Quranic teachings,Sunna/Hadith and Shariah(Islamic Law).

        3.Ghulam Jelani Barq

        He made tawbah at the end of his life but unfortunately his books are still being published.Ghulam Jilani Barq, who reverted to Islam and accepted that Hadith is compulsory to approach the right teachings of Islam and he also stopped the publication of his books.You are advised to avoid studying
        these books , because the Author himself didn’t have a belief that these books contain truth.

        4.Ayatullah Khomeini

        You didnot provide any reference where Ayatullah Khomeini blamed Abu Bakr, Umar, and Aisha.So firstly provide us reference.For your information,In October 2010 Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khomeini issued a fatwa against insulting Prophet’s companions and wives.(Ref:TehranTimes.com Retrieved 5 October 2010)

        5.Sanaullah Amritsari

        Provide us reference where he said that flesh of swine is prohibited in warm countries.The Quran prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115. For instance, Allah says: “Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked.(Al -Ma’idah :3).

        Nowhere Quran says that flesh of swine is prohibited in warm countries.

        6.Maulana Mehboob Ali

        According to you ,he said that Allah is biggest Makkar.Again provide me reference.

        7.Sir Syed Ahmad Khan

        I agree that he didnot believe in the existence of angels,satan,or miracles.Because his interpretation of angels,satan, and miracles is widely different from other muslim scholars.He intreprets in such a way which is not correct in the light of Quran.

        8.Nyaj Fathepuri

        Provide me a reference first.But anyone who worships beside Allah is on a wrong path.I agree with it.

      • Namaste Mansoor

        1. Whats the point?

        2. And you think Mohandas was a scholar, right? BTW who says that author of Non Islamic books cant be a scholar? Anwar Shaikh gave challenge to all Muslims of the world to refute his claims, but no one could not!

        3. Is it? Show me the proof that he later changed his stand. His books are still published by Muslims.

        4. Khomeini wrote many more things which you may not like to read 🙁 For example his claim that the Shiite Imaams are Better than All of the Angels and Messengers, that the Teachings of the Imaam Are Equal to Those in the Qur’aan, that all the prophets including Muhammad failed to serve the purpose they were sent for, that ‘Wahi’ did not Cease to Continue after the Death of the Prophet etc.

        Please visit http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/fataawaa_of_muslim_scholars_on_khomeni.htm for further details.

        For your information Ayatollah Khomeini died in 1989 🙁 wondering how can he issue fatwa in 2010. The one who issued fatwa was Syed Ali KhAmeini not KhOmeini.

        5. Haq Prakash Baajavaab Satyarth Prakash by Sanaullah Amritsari, page 110.

        6. Watch his debate with Abdullah Tariq on Youtube. Mehboob Ali converted to Arya Samaj after discussion with Amar Swami of Arya Samaj and changed his name to Mahendra Pal. He said in the debate too that Allah is biggest Makkar.

        7. So?

        8. So you agree that all those who go to graves are Kafirs?

        So do you believe in these facts which YOUR Aalims have written? If no, are you well versed in Islam than your AALIMS or you are?

      • mansoor
        BTW even Mohandas never converted to the religion of intrepid and fearless prophet of yours? 🙁 Whats the matter?

      • Atleast he was honest enough to accept the truth and the facts. Gandhiji spoke his views & you spoke yours, let the people decide who is truthful & who is a liar…..

      • not too well 🙂
        Mohandas left a contradiction behind! He praised Muhammad but never obeyed him, i.e. never became Muslim. So he did exactly opposite what he said. I chose to be a fan of his life rather than his words 😉

        “let the people decide who is truthful & who is a liar…..”

        Exactly this is what I wanted to convey to mansoor Brother that instead of forcing me to accept Mohandas as my leader, giving YOUR OWN logic and views would be a better option as I may not agree with words and works of any Das.

        regards

      • Namaste Vajra,

        Now that was a “Vajra Prahar”!!!!…. he’s trounced!!.. he might say “Allah will trounce you.. u will burn in the hell fire.. allah (subah ana abhi tala) is wid us..!!”…

      • Namaste Atman Ji
        Let anyone say whatever he wills. What I know is that we all are Vajras of Eeshvar who are too tough to get molten in imaginary Allah’s imaginary hellfire!

        thanks for the appreciation!

      • @mansoor,
        your quote,”it spread by means of force and the sword to those who were stubborn and arrogant, until they were overwhelmed and became no longer stubborn, and submitted to that reality.” Unwuote.

        so, you confirmed what I wrote, that islam was spread by force . I am stubborn and arrogant, TRY overwhelming me. Dekhu tere allah ke gand me kitna dum hai.

  • I think Muhammad is a NUT JOB! And the tababan is a bunch of talking monkeys so stop talking and eat a dam Banana! Pakistan is a piece of crap as well and Osoma Bin Oladen likes boys for sex!

  • Borther pls correct ur word first we dont worship muhammed be follow him as our nabi ( prophet)——————we muslim just worship Allah and no one else we just have one cretor that is Allah.———worship the creaot not the creation ,

  • A Prominent Hindu Arya Samaj Personality embraces Islam

    http://truthofhinduism.com/confessions/arya-samaj-personality-embraces-islam/

    A prominent Hindu personality of India, Achariya Mahant Dr. Saroopji Maharaj, embraced Islam last year (1986) in the Indian city of Bhopal. His Islamic name is Dr. Islamul Haq. He entered the fold of Islam along with his wife and daughter. He is a highly educated and qualified personage, well off and contented with his material resources.
    He certainly accepted Islam of his own free-will after making a thorough search into various religions of the world. His critical investigations did reveal to him the truth of Islam. He cites to the world his own example to dispel the allegation that Islam spread by dint of sword.

  • Debunking/exposing Arya Samaj

    join the cause

    http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hinduism/2358-debunking-exposing-arya-samaj.html

    As there is no hindu over here so Das will put tjere views also.In fact before Dayanand came to punjab there was no hindu or No Sikh both were brothers.In fact there was no divide in Islam and Panth also.

    Das can give you a link of his Hindutva related brother Sunil Birodkar by PM where he also aknolegdes that lots of damge has been done by him.

    Next clear thing is that from Das’s writing you all will understand why should Sikh understand Triya Chritara.By logic only Faith is ruined as people called Arya Samaji are Nastiks(Non Belivers).And then why did Sikhs became reactiuonary at that time Das could understand due to such peoples.

    He mr Vijaysingh is not hindu and claims to be Arya.So he must not keep hius name in hindi but change it into Sanskrit Vijayah Singham.But Arya means civilised.So evem Shia Muslim Brother Basha is an Arya.So Are Mr Thecoopies.Civilesed is one who see God in all.But Who hate all is uncivilsed.

    In Blinds one eyed man can be king.Dayanad Ji could be revered by Arya Samajis.Say a rabbied Dog who barks on all is stoned(as he said already).that Rabid Dog may be respected by fellow Rabid Dogs but not by human.

    Our God is in Dog as in that form we are warned of danger or have a lesson of loyalty.In form of Pig flith is removed and pork ,a food is Given.

    This Guy Dayanand Ji are even in not those two cateogries.Das was to complete today Dasham Granth by today and a bit of Article on Damdami Taksal and research on caste issue but was forced by this brother to write what Arya Samaj is?

    Das also wants that if possible there should be debate of logic with Babbersher Ji and Singhvj Ji in chart room.Call Rajs and Muslim also to take part.Das request admin that let them be having a MATCH. And facilitate this.and let what so ever happened be published.

    Singhvj when he talks with Sikhs on Veda looks like a nursury class person is trying to teach logerthims table to computer scientist.So this Das vijaydeep Singh who knows logerthims (Vedas ) also which teach computer sceince(Gurmat) to SinghVJ.
    Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hinduism/2358-debunking-exposing-arya-samaj.html

    • @one to which truth has not reached yet
      Hindu and Sikhs are still brothers. However some terrorists cant accept this fact. Before debunking anything, first learn some history. You say there was no divide in Islam and Panth! Tell me, who killed our beloved Guru Arjan Dev Ji? Was it Dayanand? No, it was a devout Islamic Ghazi ruler Jahangir. Who beheaded Guru Teg Bahadur? Who teared the body of Bhai Matidas into two? Who boiled Bhai Dyal Singh alive? Who burnt Bhai Sati Das alive? Who cemented two kids of Guru Govind Singh alive? They were all Islamic Ghazis who brutally killed our brave Heroes. So next time while opening your mouth about Islamic friendship with Panth, get these facts in your mind.

      Rest of your comment is not clear at all. Get some learned person and request him to give atleast proper words to your distorted thoughts.

      • Vajra says:
        November 20, 2010 at 10:13 AM

        @one to which truth has not reached yet
        Hindu and Sikhs are still brothers. However some terrorists cant accept this fact. Before debunking anything, first learn some history. You say there was no divide in Islam and Panth! Tell me, who killed our beloved Guru Arjan Dev Ji? Was it Dayanand? No, it was a devout Islamic Ghazi ruler Jahangir. Who beheaded Guru Teg Bahadur? Who teared the body of Bhai Matidas into two? Who boiled Bhai Dyal Singh alive? Who burnt Bhai Sati Das alive? Who cemented two kids of Guru Govind Singh alive? They were all Islamic Ghazis who brutally killed our brave Heroes. So next time while opening your mouth about Islamic friendship with Panth, get these facts in your mind.

        What Arya Samajis (Vedas followers)were doing at that time? Why they came forward and help? please explain

      • 1one
        Arya Samaj organization was founded in 1875 so no chance of its followers to help in the case. However as far as followers of Vedas (who were always there no matter in small numbers) are concerned, Guru Arjan, Guru Teg Bahadur, Bhai Mati Das etc were all Vedic followers in true sense as they defended Vedic Dharm and gave their lives for the same.

        And your mistake has fortunately helped you stating the truth that only Vedas followers (Guru Arjan, Guru Teg Bahadur, Bhai Matidas) came forward and helped people that time!

      • Vajra says:
        November 20, 2010 at 7:43 PM

        1one
        Arya Samaj organization was founded in 1875 so no chance of its followers to help in the case. However as far as followers of Vedas (who were always there no matter in small numbers) are concerned, Guru Arjan, Guru Teg Bahadur, Bhai Mati Das etc were all Vedic followers in true sense as they defended Vedic Dharm and gave their lives for the same.

        And your mistake has fortunately helped you stating the truth that only Vedas followers (Guru Arjan, Guru Teg Bahadur, Bhai Matidas) came forward and helped people that time!
        Reply

        Questions.

        It was founded in 1875, then what @ Vedic religion. What happen to vedas followers? Any
        evidence Gurus were Vedas followers. I could not find any. kindly share.

      • 1one
        Arya Samaj has no copy right over Vedic religion, its just a school which teaches the students to follow Vedas. Maharana Pratap, Shivaji, Guru Govind Singh and other Sikh martyrs were all Vedic followers in terms of bravery, martyrdom, respect for women etc. Remember that nobody can claim him/herself to be the perfect follower of Vedas. Because everyone has scope of improvement for his/her soul.

        Now I will show from Guru Granth Sahib, some proofs that Gurus were Vedic followers and they believed Vedas to be from God.

        1. Omkar Brahma utpatti, Ompkaar kiya jin chiti
        omkar sail jug bhaye, omkar ved nirmaye
        omkar shabd udhre, omkar gurumukhi tare. [Raag Ramkali Mahala 1, Omkar Shabad 1]

        2. sam ved rig yajur atharvan brahme mukh maaiya hai traigun
        taaki keemat kah na sake ko tiu bole jiu bolaaida [Maaru solahe Mahala 1, Shabad 17]

        3. Hari aagya hoye ved paap punn vichaariya [Maaru dakhane mahala 5, Shabad 17]

        4. Deevaa jale andhera jaayi, ved paath mati paapaan khaai

        5. Ved bakhiyaan karat sadhu jan bhagheen samjhat nahi khalu [Todi mahala 5, shabad 26]

        6. Ved katev kahahu mat jhoothe jhootha jo na vichaare [Raag prabhaati Kabeer ji, Shabad 3]

        I can give 50 more proofs from Guru Granth Sahib that you should follow Vedas. I hope you will now start reading Vedic literature instead of hating it.

        all the best

      • http://www.answering-islam.org/Hahn/conspiracy.htm

        CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE QURANIC TEXT

        The title of this brief essay is actually the title of chapter five of the book Conspiracies against the Qur’an by Abdul Wadud, in which the author details how and why the Muslim community has deviated from the Qur’an and, therefore, has suffered the consequent disgrace of its deviations.1 In this chapter his main thrust is to illustrate how the Muslim community has elevated the Hadith to the status of inspired literature and thereby made the Qur’an dependent upon it. He illustrates this with reference to Kitab al-Masahif (The Book of Codices, i.e. Quranic Codices) by Ibn Abi Dawud from which Ibn Abi Dawud cites Hadith describing the textual history of the Qur’an.2

        What is Abdul Wadud’s contention about the status of the Qur’an, the Hadith and their interrelationship? He constantly notes that in the Qur’an Muslims have the pure and unadulterated Word of God “because Allah took its safe custody upon Himself” (p. 10). It was finalized at the time of Muhammad in book form and in the memories of thousands of people. Thus the Qur’an has come to Muslims in its original and unaltered form for the past fourteen centuries, and so it shall continue (p. 16). How different the status of other Scriptures (the Torah and the Injil) whose preservation God has not guaranteed, the author adds.3

        On the other hand, Abdul Wadud continues, Muhammad was not interested in preserving the Hadith (p. 16). He left only one book the Qur’an—a fact to which the leading traditionist, Bukhari, attests (p. 16). Nor were the first four caliphs interested in the Hadith. The earliest collection available today is by Imam Malik (d. 179 A.H.); yet even the contents of this collection are subject to doubts. (p. 17)

        The Ahadis literature, which is being considered as authentic as the Qur’an, was collected about 250 years after the death of the Rasool. These collections of Ahadis even contain material which goes against the teachings of the Qur’an, so much so that it even reflects badly upon Allah and His Rasool. (p. 17)

        It is even said that the Qur’an is dependent on Ahadis and if there is a conflict, on a certain point, between the two, the Hadis shall be considered more reliable than the Qur’an. (p. 18)

        On the other hand there is no source available from which one could ascertain that the Ahadis which have been attributed to certain persons, were actually related to them. (p. 18)

        The following, then, is a summary of the Hadith extracted by Abdul Wadud from Kitab al-Masahif with reference to the collection of the Qur’an and Abdul Wadud’s comments on them:

        1. Muhammad did not compile the Qur’an. Zaid ibn Thabit compiled it, as instructed by Abu Bakr. Three traditions are cited.

        2. Abu Bakr assembled the Qur’an; then Zaid ibn Thabit read it. One tradition is cited, according to which the text went from Abu Bakr to Umar to Hafsa. From Hafsa it went to Uthman, who copied it and returned it to Hafsa. Eventually Marwan burned it.

        3. Umar started the compilation of the Qur’an and Uthman completed it. One tradition is cited. This tradition also records that Khuzaima ibn Thabit noted that Uthman had missed two verses; these verses were eventually recovered.

        4. During Uthman’s caliphate there were different readings of the Qur’an. One tradition is cited. It noted that the readings of Abu Musa Ashari and Abdullah ibn Mas’ud differed.

        5. Abdullah ibn Mas’ud disagreed with Zaid ibn Thabit’s appointment as a scribe. Two traditions are cited, one of which noted that Uthman ordered the destruction of all other Quranic versions other than his own, an order which Abdullah ibn Mas’ud also opposed. Still another noted the different versions of the Quranic text used by Syrian and Iraqi Muslims fighting against each other and attempted to correct this. After Hafsa’s death, her copy of the Qur’an was destroyed.

        6. Uthman compiled the Qur’an. Two traditions are cited, one in which, during the caliphate of Uthman, teachers of the Qur’an differed regarding the text and conveyed these differences to their students. The second indicated the doubt of the community about the Quranic text only thirteen years after Muhammad’s death. Uthman invited doubters to bring their written references which Zaid ibn Thabit and Sa’eed ibn As assembled in the best Arabic.

        7. Uthman set the sequence of the Quranic verses. One tradition notes the confusion about the relationship of Surah Bara’at (= Surah Tawbah) with Surah Anfal.

        8. Mistakes remained in the Quranic text even after Uthman collected it. Six traditions are cited, three of them simply mentioning language errors. Two of them single out four words which are not correct in the Qur’an; they are scribal errors. The sixth relates how someone told Uthman that the text Uthman compiled differed in twelve places from the Medinan text. Yet more, according to Ibn Abi Dawud, texts which were copied and sent to various cities differed from each other. Such differences went back to the time of Muhammad and persisted until Hajaj ibn Yousaf finally corrected them.

        Thus, our author continues:

        In short, these traditions tell us that the present version of the Quran that we possess today was neither compiled by the Rasool nor by his companions but it is the finally amended (sic) by Hajaj Ibn Yousaf about a century after the death of the Rasool. This was the period when traditions began to be recorded. The crux of the whole matter is that the conspiracy wants to assert that the Quranic text and the Ahadis are both at par with each other, as far as their care, recording and finalisation is concerned, and if the purity and authenticity of the traditions is doubtful, the same may be said about the Quranic text. The conspiracy wants to impress that the present Quranic text is not the one dictated by the Rasool himself but, rather, it is the one finally corrected by Hajaj who is known to be the greatest tyrant of his age.

        This is only a brief extract from the book Kitab al-Masahif written by Abu Bakr Abdullah Ibn Abi Daood of Baghdad (230-316 A.H.) who was held in great esteem by the traditionists, the people and the Government of Baghdad…. All these self-contradictory traditions are attributed to the companions of the Rasool who according to the Quran, were the most truthful people. One can well imagine the poison these traditions can inject into the minds of the readers against the Quran and how much suspicion they can raise against its purity and integrity. If such traditions are relied upon there is no difference left between the Quran and the present versions of Torah and Bible which we believe are not in their original forms as revealed to Moses and Jesus Christ respectively. (p. 89)

        To Abdul Wadud it makes no sense that these Hadith represent the true status of the Qur’an, its uniqueness, its perfection and its perfect compilation and preservation from the time of Muhammad until today and for all time. He therefore directs his readers to the Qur’an itself as its own sufficient defence, citing from it a host of verses that, in his opinion, uphold the perfection of both the text of the Qur’an and its preservation, as well as the nullification of those Hadith passages speaking against the Qur’an’s perfection (pp. 90-101). He closes his case as follows:

        … Is it not fantastic to allege that the Quran, after it was revealed, was left uncared for, for a century or so, in a haphazard manner, scattered on pieces of stones, bones and leaves, etc.? Is it necessary to seek the help of the intriguers, conspirators and the Muslim priests to find out how and by whom the Quran was compiled in the form of a book? …

        Can a revealed book of this standard which, according to the Quran itself, was dictated and in bits, simultaneous with its revelation, to the most honourable and pious scribes who were men of great integrity; and then copied, learnt by heart and rehearsed daily by a large number of believers, and whose safety Allah took upon Himself, be said to have been left uncared for? (p. 101)

        In conclusion a few comments:

        1. Like all Muslims, Abdul Wadud is aware of the existence of a body of Hadith referring to the collection of the Qur’an. He has two problems with these Hadith:

        a. Some of them contradict the Muslim community’s popular concept (shared by Abdul Wadud) of the perfection of the Quranic text, its collection and preservation from the time of Muhammad.

        b. Some of these Hadith contradict others. Thus it is unclear from them when the compilation of the Qur’an actually began, who began it, which secretary / secretaries actually implemented it; what the whole process involved and how long the process lasted.

        Echoing Arthur Jeffery, he also is aware that these difficulties are not the creation of non-Muslims; they come from Muslim source materials.

        2. Abdul Wadud solves the problem by dismissing the Hadith and appealing to the Qur’an alone. But, we ask, does the Qur’an itself prove the claims that Abdul Wadud (and others) make on behalf of the Qur’an or have the Qur’an make on its own behalf: the manuscript of the Qur’an perfectly compiled and finalized by Muhammad himself before he died and memorized by thousands of Muslims, a text free from any variation or discrepancy written or spoken, perfectly transmitted and preserved from generation to generation until the present and even thereafter? Do his Quranic proofs justify him dismissing all the Hadith evidence as false simply because the Hadith evidence conflicts with his Quranic proof claims? And does the fact that within the Hadith some accounts contradict other accounts strengthen his conclusion that the Hadith are fabricated? May not some be historically true, even if others are false? In any case, how can the Qur’an prove—how can the Qur’an be expected to prove—the historical accuracy of these claims!

        3. Yet, if Abdul Wadud’s rejection of the Hadith is strange, is not the response of many Muslim scholars who uphold the sanctity of the Hadith equally strange, at least those Hadith in regard to the compilation and preservation of the Qur’an? Muslim scholars are well aware of the considerable amount of information on these concerns found in Hadith collections, Islamic historical and biographical works and in Quranic commentaries, and a few fundamental facts which seem to emerge from them:

        a. The compilation of the Qur’an took place at the time of Uthman, who played an important role in its formation and distribution.

        b. Prior to the time of Uthman’s caliphate there existed a number of personal Quranic collections belonging to the companions of Muhammad. Their texts differed often radically from Uthman’s textus receptus.

        c. The language and calligraphy of the Uthmanic text continued to undergo refinement for a considerable period of time after Uthman.

        If this is true, one wonders why much able Muslim scholarship has continued to promote those claims, echoed by Abdul Wadud, about the perfect compilation of the Qur’an at the time of Muhammad, unaltered and perfectly preserved through the centuries “beyond a shadow of a doubt”, as if no contrary evidence existed! Might one ask which is better: to dismiss Hadith as an inspired second source of Islam and to accept the Qur’an as the sole source of Islam (as does Abdul Wadud) or to accept the Hadith as a second source of Islam along with the Qur’an as the primary source (as most Muslims have understandably done) but at the same time ignore the Hadith when it is inconvenient, i.e., when the Hadith portrayal of the Quranic text and its compilation do not meet the standards they (and Abdul Wadud) have established for the perfection of its text and compilation? In any case, it does seem that if those who uphold the Hadith as an indispensable second source of Islam but at the same time ignore its references to the text and compilation of the Qur’an, then, in fact, they do concede the inaccuracy and inadequacy of these references and, at least to this extent, validate the basic thesis of Abdul Wadud under discussion here.

        4. A brief response to Abdul Wadud’s statement about the Holy Bible:

        As a matter of fact tremendous alterations have been brought about in these books since they were revealed (to Moses and Jesus) and it is very difficult to say with certainty how far they are original. (p. 89)

        This comment especially, as well as his other negative references to the status of the Bible (one of them from the Hadith!), makes one wonder whether Abdul Wadud, while charging Muslims with conspiracy against the Qur’an for citing Hadith which Abdul Wadud feels dishonour the Qur’an, himself is conducting a conspiracy against the Bible! Just what is his purpose in making this statement? And what is his evidence for the “tremendous alterations” he detects in these Scriptures? Has he examined the unparalleled manuscript evidence for the history of the Bible and its preservation?

        Or, surely also of interest to Abdul Wadud, what does the Qur’an have to say about the Scriptures of the Jews and the Christians and the preservation of these Scriptures? No doubt, countless Muslims have contended that the Bible is corrupted/abrogated. But how many of them have really examined the numerous Quranic references to these Scriptures and their custodians, not just a few select passages but all of them? Similarly, surely those Muslims who honour the Hadith as the second inspired source should examine what the Hadith say about the Scriptures of the People of the Book also.

        5. It is no light task to deal with sacred Scriptures with integrity, whether one’s own or another’s. If both Muslims and Christians agree that each should treat the other as he would be treated by the other, surely they would also agree that each should treat the other’s Scriptures as he would have his Scriptures treated by the other, i.e. with the same intellectual and moral integrity.

    • @Insaan

      thanks for sharing! ..a breather for kafirs 🙂

      bataa mera gunaah kya hai? insaan’ main bhi hoon ..insaan’ tum bhi ho!

      • i would read that as “its dedicated to all mankind including kafirs” ..correct me if i am wrong 🙂

        best regards

      • all the vedas followers,

        when other religion were forming why god did not come down and stop this?

        Vedas were created for political reasons that is the fact, you cannot deny. look at history of
        Vedas followers

        one follows Vedas forcefully by preachers like Satyagni & others.

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  • Hi Satyagni

    This Article is not right as after practising ISLAM for 40 Years and then finally reading Hadith and about Muhammad in Saudi for 4 Yrs I realized that this is all crap and ISLAM was for only that location which got spread with sword and blood and same is happening now a days.

    You are depiciting wrong information by praising Muhammad.For 40 yrs of my life I wasted because of this Muhammad .I feel ashamed of wasting 40 yrs of my life.

    All muslim brothers please read Hadith and Quran and all books u will undertsnad fancies of ISLAM and will come out of that cutter which was created by Muhammad the goat.

    Thanks
    M Ali

    • On point on i am in agreement with you.

      Muhammad can be easily understood through the hadit and sirat.The muslims just have to read these books to ascertain the truth themselves.

      But i think the author of the article is trying to achieve some kind of ‘reform’ in Islam..the chances of which are very bleak in my personal opinion.

      On this site itself i encounter such hard headed zombies who maintain that slavery is good, women are dumb and that non-muslims will go to hell!!

      if they haven;t woken up in the 21st century ..i don;t think there’s any scope of improvement in the future too.I sincerely hope that i am proved wrong

  • Most of all here are nothing but only most bad evil people of there religion.
    And Satyagni is evil God.

    You people point out misunderstand things from every religions.

    How many of you have tried to look good things in all religions.

    No one is following 50% of his religion.
    And same is applicable on Hindu believers.

    आर्यव्रतस्थ said we are the ones who believe in the Veda.

    Hinduism became so twisted from its original monotheistic shape.
    I find Hindu scripture higly offensive too and not from God.
    Some good thing from veda. You can check it out.

    Bhagavat Gita 7-24: “The ignorant believe that un-manifest Para Brahma (One God) incarnates or takes manifestations, because they do not completely understand My highest, immutable, incomparable, and transcendental existence.” Is this not one God?

    Bhagavat Gita 7:19-21: “All those who do idol worship, All those who worship demigods are materialistic people.”

    Yajur Veda 32:3: “God is formless and bodiless”

    Rig Veda, Vol.6,45:16: “There is only One God, worship Him.”

    Rig Veda, Vol.8,1:1: “All Praise are to Him alone

    Yajur Veda 40:8: “All those who worship the uncreated things, they are in darkness, and you’ll enter more into darkness if you worship the created things

    Yajur Veda 3:32: “…Of that God you cannot make any images.”

    “…. Indra raped Ahalya and was cursed by her husband, the sage Gautama, to lose all his prosperity ….” — Brahmavaivarta Purana 4:47:11-45.

    “[Indrani:] ‘No woman has finer loins than I, or is better at making love. No woman thrusts against a man better than I, or raises and spreads her thighs more.’ ” — Rig Veda 10:86:6.
    “The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ ” — Rig Veda 8:33:17
    “[Indra:] ‘They have cooked for me fifteen bulls, and twenty, so that I may eat the fat as well. Both sides of my belly are full.’ ” — Rig Veda 10:86:14.

    “[Narrator:] Who made your mother a widow? Who wished to kill you when you were lying still or moving? What god helped you when you grabbed your (Indra’s) father by the foot and crushed him?” — Rig Veda 4:18:12.

    .”Brahma desired his daughter and took the form of a stag to pursue her as a doe. The Brahmins called him to shame, and Rudra shot him with an arrow. The deer’s head came away from Brahma’s body and became a constellation in the sky. But then Gayatri and Sarasvati [the wives of Brahma] had no husband. They performed tapas for Siva, and he agreed to revive their husband, giving Brahma the four heads of Nandin and others of his hosts. Brahma arose and praised Siva.” — Skanda Purana 3:40:1-59.

    Are you following Veda. An UNHOLY BOOK.

    • Read more: Incest: Haryana’s shameful social heritage – India – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Incest-Haryanas-shameful-social-heritage/articleshow/6451268.cms#ixzz0xwkfmjYJ

      Incest, the practice of marrying one’s sister was very much prevailed in ancient India.

      References abound even in the Rg Veda, showing that the perversion of
      brother-sister incest was introduced by the ancient Hindus:
      Pushan is the lover of his sister [ Rg Ved VI.55.4 ] [ Apte 11 ]
      Agni is the lover of his own sister [ Rg Ved X.3.3 ] [ Apte 11 ]
      Ashvins are referred to as the sons of Savitar and Ushas who are
      brother and sister [ Apte 11 ]
      The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister [ RV
      I.116.19 ]
      Agni is the son of his father and his sister [ Rg Ved.I.91.7 ]
      Yama wards off his sister Yami, saying marriage between brother and
      sister is forbidden [ R.V.X.10 ] [ Apte 11 ]
      Father-daughter incest occurs in the famous story of Prajapati (later
      identified with Brahma, in tunr incorporated as an incarnation of
      Vishnu) and his daughter [ RV III.31.1-2 ].
      Moreover, this was punished.
      Prajapati is thought to have done something wrong, and Prajapati was
      pierced by Agni as a punishment [ Sat.Br. XIII.9 ] [ Apte 63 ].
      It is evident that the strict laws on male-female relations led to the
      repression of normal practices and the rise of various perversions like
      brother-sister incest, father-daughter incest etc. Even to this day
      incest of varying degrees (cross-cousin, father-daughter, mother-son,
      brother-sister, etc.) is extremely common amongst the Hindus. No other
      race on earth has ever recorded such a prevalence of this practice.
      Just as sodomy has its home in Persia, Lesbianism in ancient Lesbos, so
      incest has its home amongst the Hindus.

      • Incest was common among several tribes of pre-Aryan India and is still found in various parts of the country. Thus, the marriage customs of the panchama baiga of central India permit the union of grandparents and grandchild, while the Ernadan male of Malabar takes his eldest daughter as his second wife.
        The Hindu levirate system, known as Noyoga, was a sort of incest, practiced for the sake of raising offsprings, though it appears to have been extended beyond legitimate bounds. As examples of incestuous marriages in Hindu mythology may be cited the union of Yama and Yami; Manu son of Vivasvat and his sister Sraddha; Prajapati and his daughter Ushas; Pushan and his sister Surya; Sukra and his THREE sisters; Suka and Pivari; Satrajita and his TEN sisters; Nahusha and his sister Viraja. Purukutsa’s queen Narmada after her husbands death, obtained a son through her own brother. Draupada may have married his own sister to obtain Dhrishtadymuna and Draupadi. Kaisalya wife of Dasaratha was probably also his sister; and more than one authority has suggested that Rama and Sita were actually brother and sister.
        Dr Sarkar thinks that the Rig-Veda furnishes rishi sanction (method) for the incestuous ties between a man and his sister, or even mother. The vedic rite called GOSAVA involved union with ones own mother, sister or female relative through which one secured entry into heaven. The Jaiminiya Brahmana relates that king Janaka of Videha, when he understood its (i.e. rituals) nature, refused to undertake the rite, but a Sibi king did perform it, acting out all the requirements.
        Certain episodes in the Epics point to an established dynastic custom among the Pandavas and Kauravas of sons succeeding to the seraglios of their father on his death, and it was apparently in keeping with ancient usage for princes to consort with all the father’s wides except their own mothers. Upadhya after citing several instances of incestuous practices among the ancient Indian people justly concludes, `In face of these numerous data, it futile to hold that incest is un-Vedic’. Whatever reasons the early Aryans had for despising the natives, they could not despise them on the score of their incestuousness.
        The promiscuity that permeated the later extremist Tantrik cults demanded incestuous relations with one’s sister, daughter, and mother, in antinomian rites that were believed to be especially pleasing to the goddess.

      • CAMEO BROTHER Author of this website has accepted MOHAMMAD AS DEMON TRIPURASUR AND MUSLIMS AS DEMON WORSHIPERS because in many of his articles he is giving reference to Bhavishya Puran which means that he believes Bhavishya puran as authentic source so MOHAMMAD AS DEMON AND MUSLIM AS DEMON WORSHIPPERS are true to him. Cameo you will go to Hell for calling PROPHET MOHAMMAD A DEMON.

      • Who is this Apte? What if I provide verses from Quran proving graver sins and put Anwar Sheikh in bracket? Kindly explain how you came to such conclusions? Do you even know that Vedas discuss about one single Ishwar and hence there are no demi-gods or prophets there?

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  • PLEASE DON’T MIND IF YOU HAVE MIND.
    I want to ask Satyagni and his followers, you all were born dumb Or you have graduated in dumb.

    But the hold world believe “Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi”, “Edward Gibbon”, “John William Draper”, “David George Hogarth”, “Michael H. Hart”, “William Montgomery Watt”, “Alphonse de Lamartine”, “Reverend Bosworth Smith”,”Washington Irving”, “Annie Besant” and many many more like them were not dumb.

    There is a collection of quotations from a wide variety of Non-Muslim notables, including academics, writers, philosophers, poets, politicians, and activists belonging to the East and the West.

    To our knowledge none of them ever became Muslims. These words, therefore, reflect their personal views on various aspects of the life of the Prophet Muhammad.

    YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS MAN
    ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA confirms:
    “….a mass of detail in the early sources show that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men.”
    (Vol. 12)
    GEORGE BERNARD SHAW said about him:
    “He must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness.”
    (The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)
    He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.
    “His Name is MUHAMMAD”
    May Peace of God Be Upon Him (pbuh)
    He was born in Arabia in the year 570 C.E. (common era), started his mission of preaching the religion of Truth, Islam (submission to One God) at the age of forty and departed from this world at the age of sixty-three. During this short period of 23 years of his Prophethood, he changed the complete Arabian peninsula from paganism and idolatry to worship of One God, from tribal quarrels and wars to national solidarity and cohesion, from drunkenness and debauchery to sobriety and piety, from lawlessness and anarchy to disciplined living, from utter bankruptcy to the highest standards of moral excellence. Human history has never known such a complete transformation of a people or a place before or since – and imagine all these unbelievable wonders in just over two decades.
    LAMARTINE, the renowned historian speaking on the essentials of human greatness wonders:
    “If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislation, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls….his forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was two-fold, the unity of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with the words.”
    “Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all the standards by which Human Greatness may be measured, we may well ask, Is there any man greater than he?”
    (Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp 276-277)
    The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one-sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two fields, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the time and place of their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that it is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.
    Not so this man. Muhammad (pbuh) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the record so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.
    Muhammad (pbuh) was a religious teacher, a social reformer, a moral guide, an administrative colossus, a faithful friend, a wonderful companion, a devoted husband, a loving father – all in one. No other man in history ever excelled or equaled him in any of these different aspects of life – but it was only for the selfless personality of Muhammad (pbuh) to achieve such incredible perfections.
    MAHATMA GANDHI, speaking on the character of Muhammad, (pbuh) says in (YOUNG INDIA):
    “I wanted to know the best of one who holds today’s undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind….I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life.”
    THOMAS CARLYLE in his (HEROES AND HEROWORSHIP), was simply amazed as to:
    “how one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades.”
    DIWAN CHAND SHARMA wrote:
    “Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.”
    (D.C. Sharma, THE PROPHETS OF THE EAST, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12)
    EDWARD GIBBON and SIMON OCKLEY speaking on the profession of Islam write:
    “‘I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD’ is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet has never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion.”
    (HISTORY OF THE SARACEN EMPIRES, London, 1870, p. 54)
    Muhammad (pbuh) was nothing more or less than a human being. But he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of One and Only One God and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, “A Servant and Messenger of God,” and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.
    Speaking on the aspect of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, SAROJINI NAIDU says:
    “It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: ‘God Alone is Great’… I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother.”
    (S. Naidu, IDEALS OF ISLAM, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169)
    In the words of PROF. HURGRONJE:
    “The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations.” He continues: “The fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations.”
    The world has not hesitated to raise to divinity, individuals whose lives and missions have been lost in legend. Historically speaking, none of these legends achieved even a fraction of what Muhammad (pbuh) accomplished. And all his striving was for the sole purpose of uniting mankind for the worship of One God on the codes of moral excellence. Muhammad (pbuh) or his followers never at any time claimed that he was a Son of God or the God-incarnate or a man with divinity – but he always was and is even today considered as only a Messenger chosen by God.
    MICHAEL H. HART in his recently published book on ratings of men who contributed towards the benefit and upliftment of mankind writes:
    “My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.”
    (M.H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York, 1978, p. 33)
    K. S. RAMAKRISHNA RAO, an Indian Professor of Philosophy in his booklet, (“Muhammad, The Prophet of Islam,”) calls him the
    “Perfect model for human life.”
    Prof. Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:
    “The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes! There is Muhammad, the Prophet. There is Muhammad, the Warrior; Muhammad, the Businessman; Muhammad, the Statesman; Muhammad, the Orator; Muhammad, the Reformer; Muhammad, the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad, the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad, the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad, the Judge; Muhammad, the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero.”
    Today after a lapse of fourteen centuries, the life and teachings of Muhammad (pbuh) have survived without the slightest loss, alteration or interpolation. They offer the same undying hope for treating mankind’s many ills, which they did when he was alive. This is not a claim of Muhammad’s (pbuh) followers but also the inescapable conclusion forced upon by a critical and unbiased history.
    The least you could do as a thinking and concerned human being is to stop for a moment and ask yourself: Could these statements sounding so extraordinary and revolutionary be really true? And supposing they really are true and you did not know this man MUHAMMAD (pbuh) or hear about him, isn’t it time you responded to this tremendous challenge and put in some effort to know him?
    It will cost you nothing but it may prove to be the beginning of a completely new era in your life.

    There is proof that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a great man, not just coming from Muslims. Do the research.

    “The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed.
    As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?”Lamartine,
    Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-277

    “I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality.
    It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence
    which can make itself appeal to every age.
    I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity.
    I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world,
    he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace
    and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow
    as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”
    George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM.

    “He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope’s pretensions,
    Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace,
    without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed,
    for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports.”
    Bosworth Smith, MOHAMMAD AND MOHAMMADANISM, London, 1874, p. 92.

    “It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia,
    who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet,
    one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many,
    yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.”
    Annie Besant, THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD, Madras, 1932, p. 4.

    I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind….
    I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life.
    It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous regard for pledges,
    his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God
    and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle.
    When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.
    Mahatma Gandhi, statement published in ‘Young India,’1924:

    TILL YET I DIDN’T SAID ANY THING.
    I DO BELIEVE CRITICIZING IS WRONG WHICH I DON’T WANT TO DO,
    BUT IF I START CRITICIZING TOO, THEN YOU DUMB’S WILL REPENT ON YOUR BIRTH.

    PLEASE DON’T MIND IF YOU REALLY HAVE MIND. 🙂

    • @CanYouExplainThis Very well.. Now your comments itself speaks about how much Mind of your’s you do use.. no body is Satyagni’s follower here we are the ones who believe in the Veda and stand for its truth
      and why are you quoting people who are non muslims and thought great of moh. and is that some benchmark to prove that he was great, rather than referring to his life history in your own religious books do you have to go to what others say about him to convince youself of his greatness? i dont belive that but just for your knowledge here is something that the people of his times had to say about him.. just dont mind… 🙂

      (1)Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos stated (1931)
      “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached. God is not pleased by blood – and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death.”

      (2)Persian physician Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi 10th Centuary

      “That is why, to this day we never see anyone converting to Islam unless in terror, or in quest of power, or to avoid heavy taxation, or to escape humiliation, or if taken prisoner, or because of infatuation with a Muslim woman, or for some similar reason. Nor do we see a respected, wealthy, and pious non-Muslim well versed in both his faith and that of Islam, going over to the Islamic faith without some of the aforementioned or similar motives.”

      (3) Al-Ma’arri Stated
      “They recite their sacred books, although the fact informs me that these are fiction from first to last. O Reason, thou (alone) speakest the truth. Then perish the fools who forged the religious traditions or interpreted them!

      There are many more but its just thats not the point of the discussion.. which you totally missed

  • Mr. Satyagni,

    Why dont you challenge Dr. Zakir Naik for open Live debate, it will be very nice to identify the TRUTH about everything.

    well wisher of everyone

      • Dear Satyagni,
        There are so many thousands of people in this world who challenge Dr. Zakir Naik for debate. But they even do not Qualify to have debate with STUDENT of Dr. Zakir Naik, Definately he is a Universal Scholar if he debate with just a people who are not having even little knowledge then its shame on him.

        The people who challenge Dr. Zakir Naik there intention is to get PUBLICITY, you are also one of them.

        I am 100% sure no person in this world Who can defeat Dr. Zakir Naik, Because Win is depend on TRUTH only.

        Your brother in humanity.

      • @Muslim
        Shame on him as well who was suggesting Satyagni to have an open debate with Zakir yesterday and today thinks his own suggestion as shameful!

        Zakir’s students must be dumber than their master and thus noone can debate them since it is impossible to reduce your intellect beyond a certain limit while tackling dumb!

        And Zakir’s intention behind his refusal is not to loose the publicity among his semi literate dumb heads who clap in his English lectures without knowing English!

        I am also 100% sure that no person can defeat Zakir in this world because cowards cant be defeated. They dont come for the war and prefer to sit like impotent surrounded by his fellows, who are busy glorifying him as unbeaten!

      • Zakir naik is scholar for illiterate muslims who are khaatik, butcher etc. Now I can debate naik, in a secular country I can follow my religion, who is zakir naik to tell me otherwise?

    • Well Benefits of Islam in true way.

      1. No Pollution (Burning Joysticks, Wood Fire, Burning body in Funerals)
      2. Be Vegetarian ( No meat, as to slaughter meat one must pray 5 times daily)
      3. During prayers (No Waste of milk, rice, wheat & etc..)
      4. Practice Monogamy (it is permitted to marry 4 wives, but it is possible you can give them equal amount of love, wealth & care).
      5. Save Money for charity. ( Do no need to pay to see God more closure eg:- VIP Pass)

      Heaven & Hell is physiological thought

      Heaven is considered when you have spread ample amount of kindness among mankind & reward
      is plentiful fruits, pearls. (in form of prosperity)

      Hell is considered to fire worshipers who truly get burned in funerals after death.

      Quran was brought to save religion, Hadiths were written to diminish it.

      :: Peace to mankind ::

      • MUSLIMS BROTHERS according to comparative religion and according to many Christians own account ALLAH IS A SMALL VEDIC GOD IN VEDAS. ALLAH/YAHWEH/JEHOVAH/JOVE/ZEUS is none other than INDRA.

        Prophet Mohammad told his Allah is same as YAHWEH/JEHOVAH which in turn are Roman God Jove, which Jewish pronounce as Yahweh and Christians as Jehovah, So Allah/Jehovah/Yahweh is none other Roman God Jove/Jupiter, who in Greek is called as Zeus and in India is called as Indra. Allah is called merciful and compassionate like Roman God Jove. Yahweh/Jehovah threatened people with flood and thunder like Jove/Indra. Flood Myth of Abrahmic religion are taken from Roman God Jove where people are wiped for their sins and new breed of new generations of people were created See the below link for further confirmation

        BIGGEST PROOF even Muslims cannot deny is Rainbow is called qawsalla in arabic, which means “BOW OF ALLAH” and in hindi it is called INDRADHANUSH (BOW OF INDRA)

        So ALLAH IS NON OTHER THAN INDRA A SMALL VEDIC GOD

        http://jesus-messiah.com/html/jove.html
        http://seatofgod.com/jupiterbiblicalastrologicalaspects/id21.html

      • ❰@peace: Well Benefits of Islam in true way.❱

        At the onset let me congratulate you in daring to suggest a well intentioned reformist face of Islam.

        Having said that, the arguments presented in support of Islam are weak to say the least

        ❰@peace: 1. No Pollution (Burning Joysticks, Wood Fire, Burning body in Funerals)❱

        Cremation on the pyre is an environment friendly method. Graveyards are permanent occupation of real estate which is not available to those alive. Coffins again take up wood and hence there’s no relative benefit on this account too.And every year lot of wastage of electricity etc. on shab-e-barat at these graves.

        Even in the west ..many christians are going for electric cremation rather than choking the earth of it’s prime real estate.

        ❰@peace: 2. Be Vegetarian ( No meat, as to slaughter meat one must pray 5 times daily)❱

        Many muslims pray five times a day. So slaughter becomes justifiable in their case. The ruthless method of slaughter has been proven to be the most cruel..equivalent to the way hyenas hunt down their prey.

        As human beings, it’s time we stopped behaving like hyenas and turn Vegetarian as you kindly suggested.

        Contrast this with a Vedantin ..he can meditate or pray any times a day ..and STILL he MUST NOT eat meat

        It’s surprising and sad to note that God of Islam legitimizes cruelty to animals in his Name and prayers..The God of the Vedas suggests a vedantin to refrain from eating meat..prayer or no prayer..youmust not become a beast like hyenas

        ❰@peace: 3. During prayers (No Waste of milk, rice, wheat & etc..)❱

        Muslims are pretty much idolatrous without knowing this fact.Their attachment to roadside masjids is known to all.They block traffic on roads which causes tremendous productivity loss and pollution because of jams during their mass prayers every day.

        having said that ..the wastage of food by hindus cannot be denied.It’s again a wasteful exercise

        ❰@peace: 4. Practice Monogamy (it is permitted to marry 4 wives, but it is possible you can give them equal amount of love, wealth & care).❱

        Islam does not encourage monogamy.In fact the verse starts with marry 2 or 3 or 4. So the suggestion is to marry as many as you can afford.Only when one can’t afford these many , should one marry just 1 and rest of his sensual needs he can still fulfill with his RIGHT HAND POSSESSIONS (slaves and captives)

        So monogamy is a far cry in Islam..so much so that even the heaven of Islam does not do away with carnal bondage of earth..there again you get beautiful virgin girls to enjoy as a momin.

        It’s like buying as many cars as you can maintain.. women are no more than objects that require maintenance 🙁

        It’s time we think about religions that don’t reduce a women to an object of possession. I hope you would agree

        ❰@peace: 5. Save Money for charity. ( Do no need to pay to see God more closure eg:- VIP Pass)❱

        Save money for charity BUT also spend almost all your savings in visiting mecca and paying the Saudis your hard earned money for religious tourism.

        Though, i don’t believe in pilgrimages, but Indian hindu,jain,buddhist pilgrims drive the economy of India.Whereas muslims all over the world drive the economy of mecca..so it’s a gain for them and loss to all other nations.

        ❰@peace: Heaven & Hell is physiological thought❱

        Quran devotes half of it’s verses on hell and the burning mechanism designed by allah for kafirs, mushriqs, murtads,jews and christians. The god of Islam would replace a sinning muslim with a jew or christian(however pious he may be) in hell.

        The thought of real hell, heaven and resurrection is proved by the fact that Muslims bury their dead ..in the hope that on the day of resurrection they would picked up from their graves and transported to heaven /hell.

        ❰@peace: Heaven is considered when you have spread ample amount of kindness among mankind & reward is plentiful fruits, pearls. (in form of prosperity)❱

        A religion that despises kindness to other human beings (on account of their being non-muslims) and considers this life as nothing compared to the heaven of hereafter cannot inspire people to move towards progress and prosperity while one is alive.

        Of course it does sanction loot and plunder of existing prosperous civilizations in the name of religion and the God of Quran gleefully accepts 1/5th of the war booty 🙁

        ❰@peace: Hell is considered to fire worshipers who truly get burned in funerals after death.❱

        Muslim rot in their graves and can be seen any day.Worms and termites eating on their bodies and coffin.exhume a muslim dead body to see the predicament of a buried dead body.

        In dharmic religions , the body is just an agent of action.when the soul departs, the body (which is nothing but material) must be returned back to the earth) and hence burning the body is the best thing to do to this organic remain of a departed soul.

        Muslims believe that the muslim dead body and soul are tied together till the judgment day! ..this means that coffin is a living hell to a world-ly departed (otherwise alive) muslim 🙁 for thosuands (may be lakhs)of years !!!

        ❰@peace: Quran was brought to save religion, Hadiths were written to diminish it.❱

        Quran was brought to justify slavery, loot and plunder.There were other peaceful religions in it’s time.I would specially mention the early Hanif tradition.Zaid the hanif was one such example from whom muhammad learned monotheism.The only difference was that Zaid was immersed in his lord while muhammad was busy waging war against his own kith and kin and the whole world on the basis of his so called revelations.

        the Quran by the way, was never compiled in hislife time.

        Also, one must note that without the hadit, the Quran is incomplete.

        1.A whole chapter is dedicated to Abu Lahab in Quran [one cannot make head of tail of this one until one reads the hadit accounts of this man abu lahab]
        2.the quran mentions that one should pray 3 times ..whereas the practice is to pray 5 times according to the hadits
        3.The quran does not explain many words on it;s own ..like riba (usury) ..you have to read the hadits to know about these.

        So one cannot be a muslim without the help of hadits that explain the otherwise incomplete quran

        ❰@peace: :: Peace to mankind ::❱
        peace to all

      • Indian Agnostic says:
        November 8, 2010 at 11:38 AM

        ❰@peace: Well Benefits of Islam in true way.❱

        At the onset let me congratulate you in daring to suggest a well intentioned reformist face of Islam.

        I have written this to share information, not dare, kind request do not come out with your imagination and post those words (dare) blindly, without prior knowledge person intention.

        Having said that, the arguments presented in support of Islam are weak to say the least

        ❰@peace: 1. No Pollution (Burning Joysticks, Wood Fire, Burning body in Funerals)❱

        Cremation on the pyre is an environment friendly method. Graveyards are permanent occupation of real estate which is not available to those alive. Coffins again take up wood and hence there’s no relative benefit on this account too.And every year lot of wastage of electricity etc. on shab-e-barat at these graves.

        Even in the west ..many christians are going for electric cremation rather than choking the earth of it’s prime real estate.

        Question?

        1. Why there is global warming? (burning of fossil fuel, CO2 etc..)

        2. Where does remains of dead body goes after burnt(ashes) ?

        Best Islam practices.

        1. The deceased is to laid in the grave without a coffin.

        2. Natural burial the process by which a body is returned to the earth to decompose naturally in soil.

        3. It is discouraged for people to erect tombstones, elaborate markers, or put flowers or other momentos.

        4. Once body decomposes you may reuse the land simple.

        ❰@peace: 2. Be Vegetarian ( No meat, as to slaughter meat one must pray 5 times daily)❱

        Many muslims pray five times a day. So slaughter becomes justifiable in their case. The ruthless method of slaughter has been proven to be the most cruel..equivalent to the way hyenas hunt down their prey.

        As human beings, it’s time we stopped behaving like hyenas and turn Vegetarian as you kindly suggested.

        Contrast this with a Vedantin ..he can meditate or pray any times a day ..and STILL he MUST NOT eat meat

        It’s surprising and sad to note that God of Islam legitimizes cruelty to animals in his Name and prayers..The God of the Vedas suggests a vedantin to refrain from eating meat..prayer or no prayer..youmust not become a beast like hyenas

        Questions

        1. Why there are so many verses in Vedas sacrifices of bulls, cow & deer meat as
        sacrifice?

        2. On what basis you say Muslims prays 5 times a day, anyone you know?

        Best Islam practice

        Halal

        1. People who slaughter must Pray 5 times daily.

        – this gives them light on how many can they slaughter then per day.

        2. While slaughter an animal you must pray & look into eyes of animal
        & ensure animal does not scream.

        – this gives more thought how can I slaughter an animal without scream.

        3. Quran verse we cannot eat animal blood.

        – this gives another thought no matter what, we cannot remove 100% from animal meeat.

        ❰@peace: 3. During prayers (No Waste of milk, rice, wheat & etc..)❱

        Muslims are pretty much idolatrous without knowing this fact.Their attachment to roadside masjids is known to all.They block traffic on roads which causes tremendous productivity loss and pollution because of jams during their mass prayers every day.

        having said that ..the wastage of food by hindus cannot be denied.It’s again a wasteful exercise

        Questions

        1. How you came to conclusion on block traffic. Muslims do not
        pray on roads?

        2. Do you use any modes of transport? Since you say it causes pollution.
        You should stop using then as you suggested. (Pollution)

        Best Islam Practices.

        1. We can pray anywhere without erecting Masjids. Most Muslims pray at homes.

        2. Masjids were erected to form equality & pray together.

        ❰@peace: 4. Practice Monogamy (it is permitted to marry 4 wives, but it is possible you can give them equal amount of love, wealth & care).❱

        Islam does not encourage monogamy.In fact the verse starts with marry 2 or 3 or 4. So the suggestion is to marry as many as you can afford.Only when one can’t afford these many , should one marry just 1 and rest of his sensual needs he can still fulfill with his RIGHT HAND POSSESSIONS (slaves and captives)

        So monogamy is a far cry in Islam..so much so that even the heaven of Islam does not do away with carnal bondage of earth..there again you get beautiful virgin girls to enjoy as a momin.

        It’s like buying as many cars as you can maintain.. women are no more than objects that require maintenance 🙁

        It’s time we think about religions that don’t reduce a women to an object of possession. I hope you would agree

        1. Based on your suggestions does Vedas preaches women as objects?

        Best Islam Practices.

        1. It is impossible for human mind to know they can have equal amount of love & care to
        all the wives, so why argue and encourage marry more wives?

        2. Women are given respect treated like beautiful & delicate flowers & Men are responsible for their shelter, meals, health & wealth. Men are not suppose take any money from Women for
        any use. (whether its mother, daughter, sister, wife) .

        ❰@peace: 5. Save Money for charity. ( Do no need to pay to see God more closure eg:- VIP Pass)❱

        Save money for charity BUT also spend almost all your savings in visiting mecca and paying the Saudis your hard earned money for religious tourism.

        Though, i don’t believe in pilgrimages, but Indian hindu,jain,buddhist pilgrims drive the economy of India.Whereas muslims all over the world drive the economy of mecca..so it’s a gain for them and loss to all other nations.

        1. Do you use any means of transport to go to work, meet friends, for payers or socializing or going overseas?

        As you suggested wasting of money stop doing then.

        Best Islam Practices.

        1. Feed orphans & poor people whenever you want

        2. Money comes in terms of charity, those travels and amount paid for good
        cause goes to responsible parties.

        ❰@peace: Heaven & Hell is physiological thought❱

        Quran devotes half of it’s verses on hell and the burning mechanism designed by allah for kafirs, mushriqs, murtads,jews and christians. The god of Islam would replace a sinning muslim with a jew or christian(however pious he may be) in hell.

        The thought of real hell, heaven and resurrection is proved by the fact that Muslims bury their dead ..in the hope that on the day of resurrection they would picked up from their graves and transported to heaven /hell.

        ❰@peace: Heaven is considered when you have spread ample amount of kindness among mankind & reward is plentiful fruits, pearls. (in form of prosperity)❱

        A religion that despises kindness to other human beings (on account of their being non-muslims) and considers this life as nothing compared to the heaven of hereafter cannot inspire people to move towards progress and prosperity while one is alive.

        Of course it does sanction loot and plunder of existing prosperous civilizations in the name of religion and the God of Quran gleefully accepts 1/5th of the war booty 🙁

        !. Do you ever do ample amount of kindness can you gauge it is humanly impossible.

        This is just thought or lesson for Muslims to be kind. Muslims are thought to kindness in terms of charity & love to mankind includes (non-muslims).

        For your info war was initiated not by Muslims. It was painful day, where the opponents
        have forced Muslims to leave mecca from their homes. Then after few years the opponents
        came to attack in Medina without prior notice. Where sadly combat was initiated.

        ❰@peace: Hell is considered to fire worshipers who truly get burned in funerals after death.❱

        Muslim rot in their graves and can be seen any day.Worms and termites eating on their bodies and coffin.exhume a muslim dead body to see the predicament of a buried dead body.

        In dharmic religions , the body is just an agent of action.when the soul departs, the body (which is nothing but material) must be returned back to the earth) and hence burning the body is the best thing to do to this organic remain of a departed soul.

        Muslims believe that the muslim dead body and soul are tied together till the judgment day! ..this means that coffin is a living hell to a world-ly departed (otherwise alive) muslim 🙁 for thosuands (may be lakhs)of years !!!

        As you mention pollution then why bodies burnt. Well its sign Muslims were given to bury instead of burning & create pollution.

        ❰@peace: Quran was brought to save religion, Hadiths were written to diminish it.❱

        Quran was brought to justify slavery, loot and plunder.There were other peaceful religions in it’s time.I would specially mention the early Hanif tradition.Zaid the hanif was one such example from whom muhammad learned monotheism.The only difference was that Zaid was immersed in his lord while muhammad was busy waging war against his own kith and kin and the whole world on the basis of his so called revelations.

        the Quran by the way, was never compiled in hislife time.

        Also, one must note that without the hadit, the Quran is incomplete.

        1.A whole chapter is dedicated to Abu Lahab in Quran [one cannot make head of tail of this one until one reads the hadit accounts of this man abu lahab]
        2.the quran mentions that one should pray 3 times ..whereas the practice is to pray 5 times according to the hadits
        3.The quran does not explain many words on it;s own ..like riba (usury) ..you have to read the hadits to know about these.

        So one cannot be a muslim without the help of hadits that explain the otherwise incomplete quran

        Well Quran was indeed word of God.

        Questions.

        1. Why in Quran mention about 7 heavens, earth is egg-shaped , clouds & rain
        earth orbits, sun and moon, adam & eve, Fire worshippers, Jesus(pbuh) & Moses(pbuh)?

        2. Can you prove me how mankind was created from Vedas?

        3. Can you prove me how Vedas were written?

        4. Can you prove me from Vedas how earth was made?

        They are weak & strong Hadith. For your info Hadiths were written 100 over years later after death Muhammad(pbuh). There are many contradictions, which are being well-researched &
        explained.

        ❰@peace: :: Peace to mankind ::❱
        peace to all

      • @Peace : LOL ( for => lines)
        “1. People who slaughter must Pray 5 times daily.
        ~~~ how is that does allah tell them??
        =>this gives them light on how many can they slaughter then per day.
        2. While slaughter an animal you must pray & look into eyes of animal
        & ensure animal does not scream.
        ~~~~ Am i reading this “ensure animal does not scream by looking in its eyes and praying”
        => this gives more thought how can I slaughter an animal without scream.
        3. Quran verse we cannot eat animal blood.
        ~~ is this a response for being hyenas
        => this gives another thought no matter what, we cannot remove 100% from animal meeat.”

        Besides if you take quran itself the following is not halal

        1) A dead animal
        2) Blood
        3) A animal killed without invoking Allah (LOL)

        can you tell me even some animal conforms to point 3 after that it comes to the state of point 1 so it can never be Halal??!!

        and can you tell if if Allah wishes “it happens/Becomes” as mentioned in quran why did it take 8 days to complete the creation???!!
        and why did hi have to rest after that ( was he tired) ?

        besides that as @Arya has requested give your view on the points at

        http://Satyagni.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/

      • @Peace

        for our discussion to continue, please enlighten us on your views here http://Satyagni.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/

        anyways, assuming that you will do that , here is the response to your post

        ❰@peace: I have written this to share information, not dare, kind request do not come out with your imagination and post those words (dare) blindly, without prior knowledge person intention.❱

        Dear @peace, you did not understand the context in which the word ‘dare ‘was used.It was courageous and nice of you to suggest that heaven/hell are psychological states of the mind and not somewhere in the sky.anyways, this is a non issue, so lets move on

        ❰@peace: Question?
        1. Why there is global warming? (burning of fossil fuel, CO2 etc..)
        2. Where does remains of dead body goes after burnt(ashes) ?❱

        1. burning of fossil fuel is not Haraam in any religion.I don’t understand why you bring that into the picture! It’s a secular need of the 21st century materialist society.The Saudi’s extract this fuel and the whole world burns it irrespective of cast,creed or religion.

        But in terms of CO2 contribution, Meat eaters are the culprits and vegetarians are the saviors.So any religion that sanctions meat eating is against environment protection..this includes Islam and excludes Vedas

        2.The remains become organic fertilizer for vegetation to grow.The ashes are drowned in rivers and this becomes food for the fish/alligators.So you see, the material remains are returned back to the earth.

        Nothing can burn the ever existing entity called Soul in the Vedas…the body is just the material ..so when the soul has left the body ..it’s no need to foolishly cling on to the body

        ❰@peace:Best Islam practices.
        1. The deceased is to laid in the grave without a coffin.
        2. Natural burial the process by which a body is returned to the earth to decompose naturally in soil.
        3. It is discouraged for people to erect tombstones, elaborate markers, or put flowers or other momentos.
        4. Once body decomposes you may reuse the land simple.❱

        1. Can you put 10 deceased in the same grave ?No! ..the graveyards keep spreading all the time..making more room for the dead and leaving less room for the living 🙁

        2.A buried body takes a long time to decay.Cremation (electric/pyre) is the fastest way of returning back to earth

        3.It was discouraged, but never practiced.Even the prophets grave is well decorated.And in India the maqbaras were spread everywhere.There is all kind of incense, flowers etc. used at the mazars of peer/fakirs

        4.The land is never reused in one’s life time.Take India for example ..here the graveyards are not only expanding but the ones since 6-7 hundred years back are not reused.It’s all because of the foolish notion that the muslim soul is tied to the dead body of a muslim..hence every dead muslim gets an underground flat after he’s dead 🙁

        ❰@peace: Questions
        1. Why there are so many verses in Vedas sacrifices of bulls, cow & deer meat as
        sacrifice?
        2. On what basis you say Muslims prays 5 times a day, anyone you know?❱

        1. Would you believe in a translation of Quran by pandit ram kishan ..or you would rather believe in the translation of Maududi,Yusuf Ali,Shakir etc? It’s the Griffith erroneous translation of veda that has given dawagandists fodder to justify meat eating.The Vedas advise men not to eat meat ..readhttp://Satyagni.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/

        2.I agree that many don’t pray all five times.Most of my muslim friends miss most of their prayers but almost all eat meat and sacrifice hapless animals.Only one is a vegetarian by choice 🙁

        ❰@peace: Best Islam practice
        Halal
        1. People who slaughter must Pray 5 times daily.
        – this gives them light on how many can they slaughter then per day.
        2. While slaughter an animal you must pray & look into eyes of animal
        & ensure animal does not scream.
        – this gives more thought how can I slaughter an animal without scream.
        3. Quran verse we cannot eat animal blood.
        – this gives another thought no matter what, we cannot remove 100% from animal meeat.❱

        1. To kill a hapless animal cruelly in the name of a merciful god is an insult to religiosity

        2. When you slit the throat of an animal (or recently the jihadis killing kafirs reciting quranic verses) , there are few chances that it is going to scream.But the pain caused to the animal is immense.This breeds violent tendencies in the muslim mind right from childhood.The child’s mind gets this bloody lesson that the goat he was playing with must be cruelly slaughtered in the name of his god.This is one of the many reasons why muslims are more prone to violence than others..because mindless violence is built-in the religion itself.

        watch thishttp://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DS7Hiu3ZJPt4%26feature%3Drelated to see how painful the muslim way of slaughtering is.

        3.When you have killed the poor animal..it does not matter what you eat or leave of it. Would you allow yourself to be eaten if someone promises you that he will eat just your body parts but not your blood ? what kind of silly logic is that

        ❰@peace: Questions
        1. How you came to conclusion on block traffic. Muslims do not
        pray on roads?❱

        My friend..get out of your madarsa library and start reading newspapers.Muslims praying on roads and blocking traffic is a universal phenomenon.

        here’s a recent India fact byte

        Read this http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Row-over-namaz-on-road/articleshow/5837954.cms

        “The problem of namazis spilling over on to the roads is not limited to Madni Mosque. We face this problem all over Delhi. The mosques do not have the capacity to accommodate so many people due to which they are forced to offer prayers on the road. We have to close down one carriageway near Mata Anandmai Marg every Friday. A lot of our manpower is being wasted on these arrangements,” said a senior police officer.

        RWA vice-president R G Gupta said, “When the allotments of the flats were made, the mosque did not exist. It came up during the construction of the apartments and has been made in connivance with the contractor.”

        and here’s your France byte:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L05Jy0Xwd6A

        now tell me ..how did YOU come to the conclusion that Muslims don’t block traffic? I don’t talk without facts..so next time be careful in not taking my argument seriously

        ❰@peace: 2. Do you use any modes of transport? Since you say it causes pollution.
        You should stop using then as you suggested. (Pollution)❱

        I refuse to ride donkeys and camels like the prophet..but i plant trees to counter my carbon footprint

        We can’t do away with current modes of transport until alternate green options are no made available.I for one have switched over to CNG.That’s my contribution..what’s yours?

        ❰@peace: Best Islam Practices.
        1. We can pray anywhere without erecting Masjids. Most Muslims pray at homes.
        2. Masjids were erected to form equality & pray together.❱

        Masjids are the places from where most of the violent riots erupt.The Masjid’s loudspeakers asking people to drive away the pandits from the valley are still fresh in my mind.Don’t tell me that masjids are not a craze for muslims.They illegally build masjids wherever they can.Masjid is the place from where Muhammad started his missions to raid, kill and loot people.

        and the menace has spread to the entire west coast of India
        Entire western coast is radicalised, says ex-Pune top cop
        source:http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/mumbai/Entire-western-coast-is-radicalised-says-ex-Pune-top-cop/Article1-624248.aspx

        ❰@peace: 1. Based on your suggestions does Vedas preaches women as objects?
        Best Islam Practices.
        1. It is impossible for human mind to know they can have equal amount of love & care to all the wives, so why argue and encourage marry more wives?
        2. Women are given respect treated like beautiful & delicate flowers & Men are responsible for their shelter, meals, health & wealth. Men are not suppose take any money from Women for
        any use. (whether its mother, daughter, sister, wife) .❱

        Vedas give an equal status to women..they are not objects.Many of the revelations of the vedas have come from enlightened women.

        1. I am not arguing for more wives ..it’s islam that allows for more wives and even slaves and concubines (which is a fact of life in malaysia,indonesia, arabia and iran)

        2.Women are no delicate flowers..they are the ones who give us values and first lessons of compassion and love.The first and best Guru of any individual is the mother.Women as a wife,sister, mother and NATION BUILDER is the need of our times.It was so in the Indian past and it will remain so in the Indian future.By constricting them in a head rag and within four walls ..muslim nations have taken themselves back to the 7th century.

        This is India ..we have women pilots and army officers ..who protect both me and you from other countries ..get out of your false male ego of behaving like a protector..We had Jhansi ki rani in the past ..we will have jhansi ki ranis in the future.We don;t want a foreign cult that belittles our great Indian women who are equal partners in India’s growth story

        ❰@peace: 1. Do you use any means of transport to go to work, meet friends, for payers or socializing or going overseas?
        As you suggested wasting of money stop doing then.❱

        To meet a friend is different from robbing a nation of it’s economy.

        ❰@peace:
        Best Islam Practices.
        1. Feed orphans & poor people whenever you want
        2. Money comes in terms of charity, those travels and amount paid for good
        cause goes to responsible parties.❱

        1.Such practices are advised by all religions.Also, many non-religious people contribute as much if not more to such causes.

        2.The Hajj subsidy that is provided to muslims comes from the hard earned tax payer money.The muslims have decided that they would not use Indian airlines for this ..but would rather use Saudi Airlines (which is proving to be more expensive now) ..So all my hard earned money drained on a saudi airline 🙁 …Stop the subsidies and i have no problems in you visiting mecca 10 times a year 🙂

        ❰@peace: !. Do you ever do ample amount of kindness can you gauge it is humanly impossible.
        This is just thought or lesson for Muslims to be kind. Muslims are thought to kindness in terms of charity & love to mankind includes (non-muslims).
        For your info war was initiated not by Muslims. It was painful day, where the opponents
        have forced Muslims to leave mecca from their homes. Then after few years the opponents came to attack in Medina without prior notice. Where sadly combat was initiated.❱

        You are very poorly read on the history of Islam.
        The Kaaba as well as the whole of Mecca belonged to the Quraish.Muhammad himself was from their tribe.Its when he started maligning their pagan gods that he was asked to leave mecca.He migrated to Medina and started looting the caravans of the meccans along with his followers.You call this act of banditry as war!! ..and when he amassed a lot of wealth by killing hapless people who had once given him a new home ..he attacked mecca and stole the kaaba from the pagans and slaughtered anybody who came in his way.That is the real story ..go read the sirat and hadit

        ❰@peace: As you mention pollution then why bodies burnt. Well its sign Muslims were given to bury instead of burning & create pollution.❱

        burning is one time act and the remains become fertilizer for the soil…muslims occupy permanent spaces for thousand of years and it just keeps growing

        ❰@peace: Well Quran was indeed word of God.
        Questions.
        1. Why in Quran mention about 7 heavens, earth is egg-shaped , clouds & rain
        earth orbits, sun and moon, adam & eve, Fire worshippers, Jesus(pbuh) & Moses(pbuh)?
        2. Can you prove me how mankind was created from Vedas?
        3. Can you prove me how Vedas were written?
        4. Can you prove me from Vedas how earth was made?
        They are weak & strong Hadith. For your info Hadiths were written 100 over years later after death Muhammad(pbuh). There are many contradictions, which are being well-researched & explained.❱

        there is no proof that the quran is word of god other than the quran itself ..which is absurd and not worth any value

        1.The quran mentions about a solid heaven (like a tent)..it states that it will fall from the sky in pieces on judgment night ..it’s ridiculous…The quran does not say that the earth is egg-shaped but that it is flat and was stretched/expanded like the flattening of dough (dahaaha) ..quran says that the sun and moon revolve around the earth..the adam and eve story is pure BS ..fire worshipers were there before Islam came into being..what is miraculous about that? ..and as far as the history lessons of quran , the less said the better..according to quran the cousin of Abraham was the brother of mother mary !!! ..it’s a book that borrows from the hanifs,judaism,christianity and messes the whole thing up in the process

        2,3,4 ) Start reading from herehttp://Satyagni.com/series/vedic-lessons/

        i am quoting only Sahih hadits with the right isnads ..i know about weak hadits so don’t worry ..when in doubt , just click the hyperlink that takes you to the original hadit account

        peace to all
        Sarveshaam Shantir Bhavatu

      • @Indian Agnostic
        It seems you have done lot of good karma in your previous birth, i think that’s why you are so brilliant. The way you answer jihadis is outstanding.

      • Roger Bro,

        rather than my good karma it was the bad karma of zakir naik that made me examine the doctrine of Islam more closely 😉

        thanks for the compliment by the way 😉

      • You may post many links, videos, debates & arguments.

        I will embrace Vedas, if you convince me with good reasons & tell me why should not
        I follow Islam practices below.

        I embrace Islam by following below.

        1. Shahadah

        – There is only one (Allah) & Muhammad(pbuh) is messenger of
        God.

        2. Zakat(Charity)

        – Help Orphans & Poor people(Muslims or non-Muslims) and animals in terms of
        providing livable homes, heathly meals and medicines.

        3. Sawn(Fast)

        – To save food & water for people(Muslims or non-Muslims) and animals. Good opportunity
        to keep onself heatlhy eating one Vegetarian meal.

        4. Jihad(Struggle)

        – Help people(Muslims or non-Muslims), oneself & animals to fight for truth & justice.
        – Keep equality to have difference in race, color or creed.
        – Keep environment clean and green.

        5. Salah(Prayers)

        – Perform prayers to let their be ample human kindness & bring oneself &
        everyone in straight path.

      • Dear friend Peace
        Interesting that you have replaced Hajj by Jihad!
        You have given five pillars and provided your understanding of those, which indeed are great except few. But sorry to say that if your understanding is correct, Islam has just one follower, Peace. Let me give you some facts

        1. Zakat is used for the community from which it is taken. Since Zakat is collected from Muslims, it can be used for Muslims only and not for non Muslims as you wrongly gave.
        2. Regarding fast, it has nothing to do with saving food and water for people. Its just about shifting the eating time from day to night!
        3. This definition of Jihad is not found in authentic Tafsirs like Jalalayn and Husaini. Please verify this definition from an authentic Tafsir.
        4. Most of the people offering prayers dont know Arabic, so no understanding whatsoever about prayers in most of the Muslims

        And most importantly, you should come back to Vedas because you need not associate any prophet along with Allah in your prayers. True Tauheed is found in Vedas and your shahadah will restrict to “There is only one (Allah)” if you follow Vedas.

        What say?

      • ❰@peace: You may post many links, videos, debates & arguments.❱

        I respected your questions as genuine and as a mark of respect i ensured that my reply to each of your questions was backed by facts that can be cross-checked by you..seems you do not respect being respected!

        ❰@peace: I will embrace Vedas, if you convince me with good reasons & tell me why should not I follow Islam practices below.❱

        Once again, i will try to give you authentic answer based on facts and hyperlinks.If you have any respect for rationality and facts, you would embrace vedas by the end of this reply …or more importantly you will leave Islam for sure

        ❰@peace: I embrace Islam by following below.
        1. Shahadah – There is only one (Allah) & Muhammad(pbuh) is messenger of God.❱

        You embraced Islam because of this shahada?? ..which insults the all-powerfullness of God.??

        Can the One True God’s name be taken along with any mortal human being? No!

        But Islam’s testimony itself is a blasphemy to the Omnipotence of God ..Islam reduces the God to a weak entity that requires agents and middle men to establish his religion.

        Contrast this with the Vedic concept of God ..He does not require any agent ..you can worship him directly ..this makes your relationship with god absolutely hassle free and pure.

        The Vedic God has no agents, no middlemen …it’s natural for a believer in a True Omnipotent God to shift to Vedas than to stick to islam where the prophet’s name is permanently attached to the God of islam.

        which one do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 2. Zakat(Charity) – Help Orphans & Poor people(Muslims or non-Muslims) and animals in terms of providing livable homes, heathly meals and medicines.❱

        In Islam , Zakat can be ONLY given to muslims..you cannot give it to Kafirs

        http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1527&CATE=5 [many good muslims don’t know this fact that zakat is muslim charity for muslims and not for the kafirs]

        Now let’s see how the Muslim Zakat money is being used in the world today …For Jihad !!!

        http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js439.htm
        Treasury Designates Al-Aqsa International Foundation as Financier of Terror
        Charity Linked to Funding of the Hamas Terrorist Organization

        this is where most zakat money goes
        http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6181

        http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/testimony/374.pdf
        A Review of Current and Evolving Trends in Terrorism Financing
        House Committee on Financial Services, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
        II. TRADITIONAL TERRORIST FINANCING METHODS
        Despite the United States’ successes at limiting the access of the formal financial sector to terrorist groups, terror financing has not completely abated. FTOs continue to utilize long-established schemes to finance their existence and operations, including abuse of the charitable sector and informal value transfer systems such as hawala.
        A. ABUSE OF THE CHARITABLE SECTOR Perhaps one of the most common methods by which terrorist groups have and continue to raise and move money is through the abuse of the charitable sector. And while the case of the Holy Land Foundation is certainly the most public example of a charity being hijacked to finance terrorist operations, “charities” continue to funnel money to Hamas, al-Shabaab, and others under the guise of “humanitarian assistance.”

        http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=154489
        Financial strength of militant organisation Jama’atul Mujahideen Bangladesh has been a grave concern for law enforcement agencies as the banned outfit is reportedly getting more than Tk 50 lakh a month from local and foreign sources.
        The flow of fund in the form of supporters’ monthly contributions, ZAKAT and donation apparently remains uninterrupted.

        SO MY FRIEND THE IDEA OF ZAKAT IS AN INFERIOR CULTIST MINDSET ..YOU PAY ZAKAT ONLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF MUSLIMS AND AT THE SAME TIME MOST JIHADIS USE THIS ZAKAT MONEY TO KILL KAFIRS THROUGH JIHAD 🙁

        The Vedic concept of charity is beautiful and addresses whole humanity.Infact it does not call it charity but a DEBT on anybody who is born…You are indebted to your parents who give you birth, you are indebted to your teachers as they impart knowledge to you, you are indebted to the society which enables you to grow in a conducive environment, you are indebted to humanity and your country because you reap the benefits of human progress and knowledge right from the day you are born.

        With this sense of indebtedness..the vedantin tries to pay back [remember it’s not charity that we are doing to others, it’s a debt that we are paying back] to the parents, society, nation,teachers and whole humanity at large…no religious bigotry and no charity for violence like Islam

        Which one do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 3. Sawn(Fast) – To save food & water for people(Muslims or non-Muslims) and animals. Good opportunity to keep onself heatlhy eating one Vegetarian meal.❱

        The muslim way of fasting has adverse impacts on the body.It is not carried out at the right time , it is broken at very wrong hours.

        The most disgusting aspect of the Islamic fast is that it is not meant for the soul !! ..while the pagans also used to fast before Islam ..they used to stay away from sex during this period. Muhammad broke this tradition by allowing muslims to have sex even in this period.What’s the use of such a fast that does not benefit the soul ?

        By being a vedantin , you will always strive to remain vegetarian..no cruel killing of hapless animals ..you’ll get to know the scientific reasons behind keeping fast and the right times to observe fasts…focusing on purifying the soul rather than giving into sexual desires while you are fasting.

        which one do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 4. Jihad(Struggle)
        – Help people(Muslims or non-Muslims), oneself & animals to fight for truth & justice.❱

        Jihad has only one meaning in Islam ..to fight in Allah’s cause ..that is spreading islam by the sword,tongue or wealth.

        It’s the most disgusting aspect of Islam which makes it unfit to be called a religion.

        This what Quran says about Jihad

        1)Quran 2:216
        “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

        The God of Quran thinks that a violent muslim is far better than a non-violent muslim…so if you are a peaceful muslim Allah does not consider you equal to the blood-thirsty muslim

        2)Qur’an 4:95
        “NOT EQUAL are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html#004.095

        If you still have any dounts about what jihad means , read these hadits [i can quote a lot many but these would be sufficient for any rational mind]

        3)Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
        Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
        Allah’s Apostle said, “There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.042

        4) Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.” Then he added, “Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?” The man said, “But who can do that?” Abu- Huraira added, “The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope.”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.044

        5)how clear can be jihad than this..there’s absolutely no doubt that it’s war , bloodshed and war booty and the carnal paradise for the goon if he dies
        Sahih Muslim
        Book 020, Number 4626:
        It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace upon him) said: Allah has undertaken to look after the affairs of one who goes out to fight in His way believing in Him and affirming the truth of His Apostles. He is committed to His care that Re will either admit him to Paradise or bring him back to his home from where he set out with a reward or (his share of) booty. By the Being in Whose Hand is the life of Muhammad. If a person gets wounded in the way of Allah, he will come on the Day of Judgment with his wound in the same condition as it was when it was first inflicted; its colour being the colour of blood but its smell will be the smell of musk. By, the Being in Whose Hand is Muhammad’s life, if it were not to be too hard upon the Muslime. I would not lag behind any expedition which is going to fight in the cause of Allah. But I do not have abundant means to provide them (the Mujahids) with riding beasts, nor have they (i. e. all of them) abundant means (to provide themselves with all the means of Jihad) so that they could he left behind. By the Being in Whose Hand is Mubammgls lac, I love to fight in the way of Allah and be killed, to fight and again be killed and to fight again and be killed.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/020.smt.html#020.4626

        SO THE MUSLIM JIHAD IS ALL ABOUT FIGHTING PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS TO ESTABLISH ISLAM OR TO OBLITERATE NON-MUSLIMS

        Contrast this with Vedas, which state that the individual (Jiva) must strive for truth and removal of HIS OWN ignorance ..spread the message of peace, knowledge and non-violence to all humanity..The Vedas are not forced on people and do not divide humanity in us versus them .

        which one do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 4. Jihad(Struggle) – Keep equality to have difference in race, color or creed.❱

        1) No kafir is equal in Islam..all non-muslims are either to be subjugated or killed ..be they men, women or children .Here’s the proof of Muhammad ordering night loot and massacre of women and children

        Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:
        Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
        The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.256

        2) Muhammad says that a Muslim who has killed a non-muslim would go to heaven ! ..how disgusting that you call this religion by any standards

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 020, Number 4662:
        It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: No two such persons shall be together in Hell as if one of them is such that his presence hurts the other. It was asked: Messenger of Allah, who are they? He said: A believer who killed a disbeliever and (then) kept to the right path.”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/020.smt.html#020.4662

        3) And yes Muhammad did have one equality to teach ..He was equally HOSTILE to all races and creeds that did not believe in his blood-thirsty God.,here is what Muhammad says

        Book 14, Number 2635:
        Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
        The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have.

        Abu Dawud
        Book 14, Number 2498:
        Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
        The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Use your property, your persons any your tongues in striving against the polytheists.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/014.sat.html#014.2498

        Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 6, Book 60, Number 80:
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        The Verse:–“You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.” means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.080

        Contrast this with the Vedas ..not a single verse of vedas is about a region or religion..it’s a message to all humanity to progress in spiritual and secular endeavors..It’s not a hate ideology like Islam that orders muslims to enslave non-muslims, and use every strategem to subjugate the kafirs

        do i even need to ask you as to which one do you find better?
        ❰@peace: – Keep environment clean and green.❱

        1) Muhammad burning trees ..clean and green?
        Sahih Muslim
        Book 019, Number 4326:
        ‘Abdullah b. Umar reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) burnt the date-palms of Banu Nadir.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4326

        Contrast this with the vedas ..the responsibility towards the environment right from birth to death is fixed in the Vedas.The Havans which were earlier criticized for pollution have been scientifically proven to decrease bacterial and other harmful effects
        http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/93378
        Smoke of medicinal plants can kill harmful bacteria

        which one of the two do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 5. Salah(Prayers)- Perform prayers to let their be ample human kindness & bring oneself & everyone in straight path..❱

        Do you know that the Muhammad was unsure of the number of prayers.He initially ordered people to pray 50 times a day !!! looking at the absurdity of his dictat many people objected and then Muhammad concocted his night journey and said that now only five prayers are required.

        In short there is no solid ground on which the prayers in Islam are fixed..it’s a very slippery ground. What’s more troublesome is that people recite those surahs also in their prayers which have zero spiritual message(like the one where Allah becomes the qazi and marries muhammad to his own daughterin law!!) ..do you call that prayer?

        others start with cursing the kafirs that they would go to hell ..do you call that prayer? how does it purify your soul by abusing other faiths?? is that what you call prayer.

        Muhammad was so strict with the ritual aspect of prayers [as there was little or no spiritual aspect in quran] that he had one muslim killed who did not prostrate fully in prayers

        Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 6, Book 60, Number 386:
        Narrated Abdullah:
        The first Sura in which a prostration was mentioned, was Sura An-Najm (The Star). Allah’s Apostle prostrated (while reciting it), and everybody behind him prostrated except a man whom I saw taking a hand-full of dust in his hand and prostrated on it. Later I saw that man killed as an infidel, and he was Umaiya bin Khalaf.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.386

        and the MOST DISGUSTING aspect is that while Muhammad killed the poor chap above, he himself used to recite the Quran in the worst possible positions !!

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 003, Number 0591:
        ‘A’isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) would recline in my lap when I was menstruating, and recite the Qur’an
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/003.smt.html#003.0591

        You call such a man with dual standards the best man of your religion!! the prayers have elements of hatred in them ..you still call it a prayer!!!

        Conrast this with Vedas..you are suggested to follow a practical pattern of prayers and there is logic behind them.Even if you don;t pray nobody is going to kill you..and the rules of prayer are the same for the guru as well as the shishya ..It’s not like islam where a poor man would be killed for not bending fully while the prophet can recite quran in the lap of his menstruating wife

        which one of the two do you find better?

        I know you know the answer by now ..but the indoctrination of islam is such that despite all these facts looking at every momin’s face ..they refuse to acknowledge their own scriptures showing the highly negative aspects of Islam.

        I have shown to you with facts and links that even the pillars of islam are highly distorted, have a cultist mindset, fuel violence and rob a person completely of his/her spirituality.

        It just takes commonsense and some rationality to call the bluff of Islam ..are you willing to be rational enough?

        read about Vedas on this site

        It’s your life and soul ..take the right decision ..all the best to you

        asato ma sadgamaya

      • One thing to share

        Those who goes astray does wrong things, we need to educate them
        to come to straight path its peace simple.

        I am not convince with you, because you are preaching falsehood about Islam. I do not need to depend on links to answer. I need answer from your heart on questions I pose, should I stop following this practices.

        1. Zakat

        – My unsderstanding of Zakat, it does not have categories for poor & orphans, its for both Muslims & non- Muslims. I will preach this to everyone & always follow this path.

        2. Fasting

        – You mention shifting of time, so you mean to say you eat 1 meal per day.
        Well Fasting is self-sacrifice, indeed we save food & water. It is very logical
        thinking. simple.

        Request

        – Do fast for 1 month without food & water.

        Best practise you may follow to achieve this.

        – islam preaches not to eat in excess.

        3. Hajj

        Hajj is perform to bring equality, come and pray together as one &
        mark respect to beautiful religion of Islam.

        4, Insulting other Gods.

        Quran (6 – Surah Al-Anam – 108)

        ” And, do not abuse false god, Allah lest these people should revile against Allah’s Glory wrongfully due to ignorance. Thus have We made the conduct of every sect seem attractive to their own eyes and they regard only that as Truth. Then all have to return to their Lord, and He will inform them of their deeds which they used to do.”

        I will be conscious and follow this path.

        5. There is no force in religion

        Quran (2- Surah -Al-Baqarah – 256)

        “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ”

        6. You mention sadly people have pray on roads, rather than Masjids. Well
        I am not from India.

        Advise

        Its responsible of government & their citizens to come together & provide
        better place for prayers. And people like us who realizes this issues, instead of mere complaints, lend a helping hand in educating them & building better place. This does not end here, this should be done for anyone or places(homes,offices,roads etc..) or way

        7. Questions?

        a.. Are you well verse in Arabic language? On what basis you said
        our understanding is wrong?

        b Provide Reasons why I cannot say As-Salamu Alaykum?

        8. Pending Answers from you?

        1. Can you prove & quote me how mankind was created from Vedas?
        2. Can you prove & quote me how Vedas were written?
        3. Can you prove & quote me from Vedas how earth was made?

        One thing to share

        Those who goes astray does wrong things, we need to educate them
        to come to straight path it is peace simple.

        I am not convince with you, because you are preaching falsehood about Islam. I do not need to depend on links to answer. I need answer from your heart on questions I pose, should I stop following this practices.

        1. Zakat

        – My unsderstanding of Zakat, it does not have categories for poor & orphans, its for both Muslims & non- Muslims. I will preach this to everyone & always follow this path.

        2. Fasting

        – You mention shifting of time, so you mean to say you eat 1 meal per day.
        Well Fasting is self-sacrifice, indeed we save food & water. It is very logical
        thinking. simple.

        Request

        – Do fast for 1 month without food & water.

        Best practise you may follow to achieve this.

        – islam preaches not to eat in excess.

        3. Hajj

        Hajj is perform to bring equality, come and pray together as one &
        mark respect to beautiful religion of Islam.

        4, Insulting other Gods.

        Quran (6 – Surah Al-Anam – 108)

        ” And, do not abuse false god, Allah lest these people should revile against Allah’s Glory wrongfully due to ignorance. Thus have We made the conduct of every sect seem attractive to their own eyes and they regard only that as Truth. Then all have to return to their Lord, and He will inform them of their deeds which they used to do.”

        I will be conscious and follow this path.

        5. There is no force in religion

        Quran (2- Surah -Al-Baqarah – 256)

        “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ”

        6. You mention sadly people have pray on roads, rather than Masjids. Well
        I am not from India.

        Advise

        Its responsible of government & their citizens to come together & provide
        better place for prayers. And people like us who realizes this issues, instead of mere complaints, lend a helping hand in educating them & building better place. This does not end here, this should be done for anyone or places(homes,offices,roads etc..) or way

        7. Questions?

        a.. Are you well verse in Arabic language? On what basis you said
        our understanding is wrong?

        b Provide Reasons why I cannot say As-Salamu Alaykum?

        8. Pending Answers from you?

        1. Can you prove & quote me how mankind was created from Vedas?
        2. Can you prove & quote me how Vedas were written?
        3. Can you prove & quote me from Vedas how earth was made?

        9. Request

        Kindly share where can I get authentic Vedas online.

        Reminder

        Those who goes astray does wrong things, we need to educate them
        to come to straight path its peace simple.

        :: Peace ::

      • ❰@peace : One thing to share, Those who goes astray does wrong things, we need to educate them to come to straight path its peace simple.❱

        That is what i am doing with you 🙂

        It’s you who is definitely on the wrong path…the path of faulty pillars and violence and hatred and unwarranted sensual licenses

        ❰@peace : I am not convince with you, because you are preaching falsehood about Islam. I do not need to depend on links to answer..❱

        It does not matter if an irrational person who has no respect to hyper-linked facts is not convinced by my reply.My message is for all readers of this site.

        The sane reader will see that i have provided authentic references which he/she can check by clicking on the original source’s hyperlink.

        I have quoted VERBATIM and here you are telling me that you do not believe in links to Islamic scriptures which define Islam !!! ..well nobody can help you in that case

        can i be false if i am quoting from Islamic scriptures themselves? I carefully ensured that you could cross check each of the facts i had provided.But like a blinded zombie, you ignored all the Islamic references i provided!

        If you don’t believe in Islamic Scriptures , you are a kafir ..if you believe in them ..then what i have stated is the truth…it’s your choice now

        Probably you think that you and i are having a private conversation ..that’s not the case.

        Other people will read your false allegation and my authentic replies and come to know how naive you have been in denying your own scriptural accounts

        ❰@peace : I need answer from your heart on questions I pose, should I stop following this practices❱

        Yes you should stop following these practices the way they are meant in Islam…and that comes from the bottom of my heart

        Zakat : My heart says that by serving the needy we are not doing any charity, as a fellow human being we must treat it as moral obligation to help the needy.Islam says that Zakat is only meant for muslims.My heart says that this kind of charity is absolutely wrong..if i find a needy person, i don’t inquire about his religion before helping him/her.In Islam Zakat is also used for violent causes like Jihad..My heart says that there could be nothing more disgusting than this kind of unaccounted terrorist funding.

        Fasting: My heart says that fasting is not only for the body but also for the soul.But it must be done in a proper manner and should help us spiritually.Fasting in islam is harmful to the body.The muslims eat a lot during their breaks almost 2 or 3 times more than they eat on normal days.[ proof:http://www.vpr.net/npr/129105207/ “Egypt consumes three times its normal food consumption during the month of Ramadan.”].and it unfortunately gives a sexual license in a period that is meant for spiritual growth..how wrong!

        Hajj: My Heart says that when God is everywhere and formless ..how can there be a ‘house of Allah” and why the heck does a faithful need to travel all the distance and perform pagan rituals for the Formless Al Mighty God?

        Jihad: My heart says that an all powerful God does not need a human army ..moreover he cannot be so unjust to divide humanity and pitch one against the other..It’s Satanic to do so. My heart says that if any pillar of your faith even remotely talks about violence on account of religion..you must discard that religion as a cult and say goodbye to it forever.

        Prayers: My Heart says that prayers are useless when they are all about reciting hateful, sensual messages from a book like quran.In fact i am against the very idea of prayers for rewards in the here or hereafter.Muslim pray for houris & wine in heaven..what kind of reward is that? Only Satan lures you with such carnal pleasures.
        Heaven is when you are free from your desires ..not when you are immersed in them ..unfortunately Quran sanctions sexual overdose in this life and offers more sex in the hereafter…why make you human then ? He should have created you like amazon monkeys who are involved in sex all the time

        My heart refuses to call this sham as prayer..Imagine a father and son praying in islam ..both are praying for entry into heaven to enjoy the houris(virgin girls)..what would the son think of his father? what would he feel about his mother who does not get this reward as his father?

        anyways..forget my heart ..listen to the inner voice in your heart ..you’ll know the answer yourself if it is alive at all..but if you have been indoctrinated for a long time in islam , you lose the divinity that guides you from within

        ❰@peace : 1. Zakat – My unsderstanding of Zakat, it does not have categories for poor & orphans, its for both Muslims & non- Muslims. I will preach this to everyone & always follow this path.❱

        Your understanding of Zakat is wrong and does not matter.It’s Islam’s understanding of zakat that we are talking about ..are you selling a new religion Mr. Kafir?

        if not , then the Islamic Zakat is cultist charity ..BY Muslim for MUSLIMS ONLY..and the proof is for everybody to see

        ✤http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1527&CATE=5
        Sunni Path – Online Islamic Academy
        “Walaikum assalam, There is scholarly consensus (ijma`) that zakat CANNOT be given to non-Muslims, as mentioned by Ibn al-Mundhir, Kasani, Ibn Qudama, Buhuti, and others.”✤

        If you are defining a new religion i am with you ..but please don’t call it Islam..the Islamic pillar of Zakat is faulty and could be used for violence against non-muslims [i have already provided enough proof in my previous post to this one.Readers may check my response above]

        ❰@peace : 2. Fasting – You mention shifting of time, so you mean to say you eat 1 meal per day.Well Fasting is self-sacrifice, indeed we save food & water. It is very logical thinking. simple.Request – Do fast for 1 month without food & water.
        Best practise you may follow to achieve this.- islam preaches not to eat in excess.❱

        If you had visited the comments section of this site, you would have been embarrassed to glorify the fasting method of islam.

        ◤@SDS bro , has posted a detailed a response to this silly babble..i am reproducing it here

        Comparison CHANDRAYAN VRAT vs RAMADAN

        No one can compare amount of divine benefits, Assumed that both have same amount. This is to examine scientific benefits.
        Both fasting duration is 1 month.

        CHANDRAYAN VRAT

        Based on the movement of moon increasing in morsel of food and decreasing in morsel of food to complete fast.
        One can drink water, milk.
        Based on tithi, refer tithi and fast in previous post. (It is based on particular date and time, not the visibility of sun).
        Every year falls on particular season. (February – March).
        Should not have sex
        Should avoid bad habits

        Science: At the end of the CHANDRAYAN VRAT there is a change in season, where Sun gets exalted. So there will be a dramatic change in our digestive system, so we need regulation in our body.
        The movement of moon causes a change in flow of water in earth and human body (Ex: more waves in ocean during full moon). So mouthful food during these days balance the flow.

        Advantages:
        1. Regulates body fat and digestive system as per change in season.
        2. Helps to get rid of bad habits.
        3. Gives rest for sexual organism.
        Disadvantages:
        1. Very very rare case in getting Ulcer.

        RAMADAN

        One should not eat food and drink water when sun is visible.
        Can have sex during night.
        Falls during different seasons.
        Should avoid bad habits.

        Advantages:
        1. Helps to get rid of bad habits.
        Disadvantages:
        1. Unable to follow all over the world, where as there is irregular and no sunset in some part of the world.
        2. Probability is more in getting Ulcer
        3. Probability is more in getting respiratory disease, insomnia, anaemia, dehydration, fatigue when it falls during summer due to less amount of water.
        4. There is no rest for digestive system and sexual organs during night.
        5. Many of outdoor workers suffer a lot (Ex: farmers, sales representatives)

        Only crazy, ..and … will guide
        1. The people to avoid water during daytime of summer.
        2. To Avoid food while sun is visible.◥

        Hope that clears your doubts about Islamic fasting forever

        ❰@peace : 3. Hajj Hajj is perform to bring equality, come and pray together as one & mark respect to beautiful religion of Islam.❱

        Hajj is a form of idolatry. The pagans used to perform the Hajj long before Islam.Muhammad carried on the same pagan practice in Islam.Kissing the black stone, stone pelting etc. are useless idolatrous activities.

        and as i said , the “beautiful” and “peaceful” religion of Islam borrowed this pagan practice from the unfortunate pagans whom Muhammad mercilessly slaughtered to take over their Kaaba.

        As we have seen ( even hindus are culprits in this act) many people die in the mayhem that occurs when people crowd a religious place. What’s the use of such foolhardy illogical exercise?

        90% muslims fly to reach the house of Allah ..adding more to the carbon footprint apart from their meat eating contribution to pollution

        ❰@peace : 4, Insulting other Gods. Quran (6 – Surah Al-Anam – 108)
        ”And, do not abuse false god, Allah lest these people should revile against Allah’s Glory wrongfully due to ignorance. Thus have We made the conduct of every sect seem attractive to their own eyes and they regard only that as Truth. Then all have to return to their Lord, and He will inform them of their deeds which they used to do.” I will be conscious and follow this path.❱

        a) This verse has been abrogated(substituted by another violent verse of Quran [ refer: * Hebatuallah Ebnu Salamah * Mar-e Ben Yousef Alkarmy]

        AT-TAWBA 5
        Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then KILL the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) WHEREVER you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

        b) Even if we consider the verse you Quoted, it shows a highly NEGATIVE ATTRIBUTE OF ALLAH.The muslim God does not guide people to right path
        Like Satan ..He DECEIVES and leads people astray by making “the conduct of every sect seem attractive”.

        I can’;t believe in a God that misguides and deceives instead of the one true God who always guides the misguided to the true path.

        More interestingly ..An Allah that admits that he makes a religion appear attractive by deceit..how can you know that Islam is not one of those religions which he has made deceitfully attractive to muslims?????

        with such a deceiving God how do you know which path is right and which one you should consciously follow!? 🙁

        ❰@peace : 5. There is no force in religion
        Quran (2- Surah -Al-Baqarah – 256)
        “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ”❱

        Thank you for sharing another abrogated verse of Quran ..this again has been substituted by the hate verse Quran 9:5 quoted above.

        ❰@peace : 6. You mention sadly people have pray on roads, rather than Masjids. Well
        I am not from India.
        Advise
        Its responsible of government & their citizens to come together & provide better place for prayers. And people like us who realizes this issues, instead of mere complaints, lend a helping hand in educating them & building better place. This does not end here, this should be done for anyone or places(homes,offices,roads etc..) or way❱

        You did not read my response ..I have shown that this road blocking and street blocking is an INTERNATIONAL PHENOMENON.

        And as far as India is concerned, It’s not the government’s job to erect mosques.Moreover, every now and then both msulism and hindus build illegal structures on government land or by the roadside.Muslims also transform graves into mazaars and that adds to the mayhem.But thankfully the courts of India take note of such illegal activities and try to demolish any structure that blocks traffic.

        But the blocking of roads is a frequent phenomenon amongst muslims..ask any indian ..every friday , the roadside mosques cause huge traffic jams ..and the muslims seem to enjoy the show !

        ❰@peace : 7. Questions?
        a.. Are you well verse in Arabic language? On what basis you said
        our understanding is wrong?❱

        Ther question is if YOU are well versed in Arabic ..it’s your religion after all ..aint it?
        don’t worry..i have looked up the meaning of key arabic words from the quran from Islamic sites (including the official site)

        have you checked up the links ever? ..if not do so now

        ❰@peace : b Provide Reasons why I cannot say As-Salamu Alaykum?❱

        As a muslim , you are Forbidden to initiate a greeting to Jews or Christians in Islam 🙁 ..and it’s not me but your scriptures confirming this

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 026, Number 5389:
        Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/026.smt.html#026.5389

        got your reason bro? ..such is the hateful bigotry of islam

        ❰@peace : 8. Pending Answers from you?

        1. Can you prove & quote me how mankind was created from Vedas?
        2. Can you prove & quote me how Vedas were written?
        3. Can you prove & quote me from Vedas how earth was made?

        9. Request- Kindly share where can I get authentic Vedas online❱

        I do want to to add redundancy in my reply ..dint you read my response at all?
        anyways [email protected] has already replied to the relevant portions and asked you to read the articles on Vedas..you’ll find downloadable content

        ❰@peace : Reminder
        Those who goes astray does wrong things, we need to educate them to come to straight path its peace simple.❱

        It’s a good reminder..i was wondering why i responded to this post when you did even fully read my first response 🙂

        but thanks to this reminder, you remind be of my duty to educate you to come to the right path..hopefully you will ..at least leave the wrong path 🙂

        Peace to All
        Sarvehsam Shantir Bhavatu

      • [comment went for moderation posting again]

        ❰@peace: You may post many links, videos, debates & arguments.❱

        I respected your questions as genuine and as a mark of respect i ensured that my reply to each of your questions was backed by facts that can be cross-checked by you..seems you do not respect being respected!

        ❰@peace: I will embrace Vedas, if you convince me with good reasons & tell me why should not I follow Islam practices below.❱

        Once again, i will try to give you authentic answer based on facts and hyperlinks.If you have any respect for rationality and facts, you would embrace vedas by the end of this reply …or more importantly you will leave Islam for sure

        ❰@peace: I embrace Islam by following below.
        1. Shahadah – There is only one (Allah) & Muhammad(pbuh) is messenger of God.❱

        You embraced Islam because of this shahada?? ..which insults the all-powerfullness of God.??

        Can the One True God’s name be taken along with any mortal human being? No!

        But Islam’s testimony itself is a blasphemy to the Omnipotence of God ..Islam reduces the God to a weak entity that requires agents and middle men to establish his religion.

        Contrast this with the Vedic concept of God ..He does not require any agent ..you can worship him directly ..this makes your relationship with god absolutely hassle free and pure.

        The Vedic God has no agents, no middlemen …it’s natural for a believer in a True Omnipotent God to shift to Vedas than to stick to islam where the prophet’s name is permanently attached to the God of islam.

        which one do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 2. Zakat(Charity) – Help Orphans & Poor people(Muslims or non-Muslims) and animals in terms of providing livable homes, heathly meals and medicines.❱

        In Islam , Zakat can be ONLY given to muslims..you cannot give it to Kafirs

        source:http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1527&CATE=5 [many good muslims don’t know this fact that zakat is muslim charity for muslims and not for the kafirs]

        Now let’s see how the Muslim Zakat money is being used in the world today …For Jihad !!!

        source:http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js439.htm
        Treasury Designates Al-Aqsa International Foundation as Financier of Terror
        Charity Linked to Funding of the Hamas Terrorist Organization

        this is where most zakat money goes
        source:http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6181

        source:http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/testimony/374.pdf
        A Review of Current and Evolving Trends in Terrorism Financing
        House Committee on Financial Services, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
        II. TRADITIONAL TERRORIST FINANCING METHODS
        Despite the United States’ successes at limiting the access of the formal financial sector to terrorist groups, terror financing has not completely abated. FTOs continue to utilize long-established schemes to finance their existence and operations, including abuse of the charitable sector and informal value transfer systems such as hawala.
        A. ABUSE OF THE CHARITABLE SECTOR Perhaps one of the most common methods by which terrorist groups have and continue to raise and move money is through the abuse of the charitable sector. And while the case of the Holy Land Foundation is certainly the most public example of a charity being hijacked to finance terrorist operations, “charities” continue to funnel money to Hamas, al-Shabaab, and others under the guise of “humanitarian assistance.”

        source:http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=154489
        Financial strength of militant organisation Jama’atul Mujahideen Bangladesh has been a grave concern for law enforcement agencies as the banned outfit is reportedly getting more than Tk 50 lakh a month from local and foreign sources.
        The flow of fund in the form of supporters’ monthly contributions, ZAKAT and donation apparently remains uninterrupted.

        SO MY FRIEND THE IDEA OF ZAKAT IS AN INFERIOR CULTIST MINDSET ..YOU PAY ZAKAT ONLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF MUSLIMS AND AT THE SAME TIME MOST JIHADIS USE THIS ZAKAT MONEY TO KILL KAFIRS THROUGH JIHAD 🙁

        The Vedic concept of charity is beautiful and addresses whole humanity.Infact it does not call it charity but a DEBT on anybody who is born…You are indebted to your parents who give you birth, you are indebted to your teachers as they impart knowledge to you, you are indebted to the society which enables you to grow in a conducive environment, you are indebted to humanity and your country because you reap the benefits of human progress and knowledge right from the day you are born.

        With this sense of indebtedness..the vedantin tries to pay back [remember it’s not charity that we are doing to others, it’s a debt that we are paying back] to the parents, society, nation,teachers and whole humanity at large…no religious bigotry and no charity for violence like Islam

        Which one do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 3. Sawn(Fast) – To save food & water for people(Muslims or non-Muslims) and animals. Good opportunity to keep onself heatlhy eating one Vegetarian meal.❱

        The muslim way of fasting has adverse impacts on the body.It is not carried out at the right time , it is broken at very wrong hours.

        The most disgusting aspect of the Islamic fast is that it is not meant for the soul !! ..while the pagans also used to fast before Islam ..they used to stay away from sex during this period. Muhammad broke this tradition by allowing muslims to have sex even in this period.What’s the use of such a fast that does not benefit the soul ?

        By being a vedantin , you will always strive to remain vegetarian..no cruel killing of hapless animals ..you’ll get to know the scientific reasons behind keeping fast and the right times to observe fasts…focusing on purifying the soul rather than giving into sexual desires while you are fasting.

        which one do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 4. Jihad(Struggle)
        – Help people(Muslims or non-Muslims), oneself & animals to fight for truth & justice.❱

        Jihad has only one meaning in Islam ..to fight in Allah’s cause ..that is spreading islam by the sword,tongue or wealth.

        It’s the most disgusting aspect of Islam which makes it unfit to be called a religion.

        This what Quran says about Jihad

        1)Quran 2:216
        “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

        The God of Quran thinks that a violent muslim is far better than a non-violent muslim…so if you are a peaceful muslim Allah does not consider you equal to the blood-thirsty muslim

        2)Qur’an 4:95
        “NOT EQUAL are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html#004.095

        If you still have any dounts about what jihad means , read these hadits [i can quote a lot many but these would be sufficient for any rational mind]

        3)Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
        Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
        Allah’s Apostle said, “There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.042

        4) Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.” Then he added, “Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?” The man said, “But who can do that?” Abu- Huraira added, “The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope.”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.044

        5)how clear can be jihad than this..there’s absolutely no doubt that it’s war , bloodshed and war booty and the carnal paradise for the goon if he dies
        Sahih Muslim
        Book 020, Number 4626:
        It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace upon him) said: Allah has undertaken to look after the affairs of one who goes out to fight in His way believing in Him and affirming the truth of His Apostles. He is committed to His care that Re will either admit him to Paradise or bring him back to his home from where he set out with a reward or (his share of) booty. By the Being in Whose Hand is the life of Muhammad. If a person gets wounded in the way of Allah, he will come on the Day of Judgment with his wound in the same condition as it was when it was first inflicted; its colour being the colour of blood but its smell will be the smell of musk. By, the Being in Whose Hand is Muhammad’s life, if it were not to be too hard upon the Muslime. I would not lag behind any expedition which is going to fight in the cause of Allah. But I do not have abundant means to provide them (the Mujahids) with riding beasts, nor have they (i. e. all of them) abundant means (to provide themselves with all the means of Jihad) so that they could he left behind. By the Being in Whose Hand is Mubammgls lac, I love to fight in the way of Allah and be killed, to fight and again be killed and to fight again and be killed.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/020.smt.html#020.4626

        SO THE MUSLIM JIHAD IS ALL ABOUT FIGHTING PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS TO ESTABLISH ISLAM OR TO OBLITERATE NON-MUSLIMS

        Contrast this with Vedas, which state that the individual (Jiva) must strive for truth and removal of HIS OWN ignorance ..spread the message of peace, knowledge and non-violence to all humanity..The Vedas are not forced on people and do not divide humanity in us versus them .

        which one do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 4. Jihad(Struggle) – Keep equality to have difference in race, color or creed.❱

        1) No kafir is equal in Islam..all non-muslims are either to be subjugated or killed ..be they men, women or children .Here’s the proof of Muhammad ordering night loot and massacre of women and children

        Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:
        Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
        The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.256

        2) Muhammad says that a Muslim who has killed a non-muslim would go to heaven ! ..how disgusting that you call this religion by any standards

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 020, Number 4662:
        It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: No two such persons shall be together in Hell as if one of them is such that his presence hurts the other. It was asked: Messenger of Allah, who are they? He said: A believer who killed a disbeliever and (then) kept to the right path.”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/020.smt.html#020.4662

        3) And yes Muhammad did have one equality to teach ..He was equally HOSTILE to all races and creeds that did not believe in his blood-thirsty God.,here is what Muhammad says

        Book 14, Number 2635:
        Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
        The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have.

        Abu Dawud
        Book 14, Number 2498:
        Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
        The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Use your property, your persons any your tongues in striving against the polytheists.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/014.sat.html#014.2498

        Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 6, Book 60, Number 80:
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        The Verse:–”You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.” means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.080

        Contrast this with the Vedas ..not a single verse of vedas is about a region or religion..it’s a message to all humanity to progress in spiritual and secular endeavors..It’s not a hate ideology like Islam that orders muslims to enslave non-muslims, and use every strategem to subjugate the kafirs

        do i even need to ask you as to which one do you find better?
        ❰@peace: – Keep environment clean and green.❱

        1) Muhammad burning trees ..clean and green?
        Sahih Muslim
        Book 019, Number 4326:
        ‘Abdullah b. Umar reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) burnt the date-palms of Banu Nadir.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4326

        Contrast this with the vedas ..the responsibility towards the environment right from birth to death is fixed in the Vedas.The Havans which were earlier criticized for pollution have been scientifically proven to decrease bacterial and other harmful effects
        http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/93378
        Smoke of medicinal plants can kill harmful bacteria

        which one of the two do you find better?

        ❰@peace: 5. Salah(Prayers)- Perform prayers to let their be ample human kindness & bring oneself & everyone in straight path..❱

        Do you know that the Muhammad was unsure of the number of prayers.He initially ordered people to pray 50 times a day !!! looking at the absurdity of his dictat many people objected and then Muhammad concocted his night journey and said that now only five prayers are required.

        In short there is no solid ground on which the prayers in Islam are fixed..it’s a very slippery ground. What’s more troublesome is that people recite those surahs also in their prayers which have zero spiritual message(like the one where Allah becomes the qazi and marries muhammad to his own daughterin law!!) ..do you call that prayer?

        others start with cursing the kafirs that they would go to hell ..do you call that prayer? how does it purify your soul by abusing other faiths?? is that what you call prayer.

        Muhammad was so strict with the ritual aspect of prayers [as there was little or no spiritual aspect in quran] that he had one muslim killed who did not prostrate fully in prayers

        Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 6, Book 60, Number 386:
        Narrated Abdullah:
        The first Sura in which a prostration was mentioned, was Sura An-Najm (The Star). Allah’s Apostle prostrated (while reciting it), and everybody behind him prostrated except a man whom I saw taking a hand-full of dust in his hand and prostrated on it. Later I saw that man killed as an infidel, and he was Umaiya bin Khalaf.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.386

        and the MOST DISGUSTING aspect is that while Muhammad killed the poor chap above, he himself used to recite the Quran in the worst possible positions !!

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 003, Number 0591:
        ‘A’isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) would recline in my lap when I was menstruating, and recite the Qur’an
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/003.smt.html#003.0591

        You call such a man with dual standards the best man of your religion!! the prayers have elements of hatred in them ..you still call it a prayer!!!

        Conrast this with Vedas..you are suggested to follow a practical pattern of prayers and there is logic behind them.Even if you don;t pray nobody is going to kill you..and the rules of prayer are the same for the guru as well as the shishya ..It’s not like islam where a poor man would be killed for not bending fully while the prophet can recite quran in the lap of his menstruating wife

        which one of the two do you find better?

        I know you know the answer by now ..but the indoctrination of islam is such that despite all these facts looking at every momin’s face ..they refuse to acknowledge their own scriptures showing the highly negative aspects of Islam.

        I have shown to you with facts and links that even the pillars of islam are highly distorted, have a cultist mindset, fuel violence and rob a person completely of his/her spirituality.

        It just takes commonsense and some rationality to call the bluff of Islam ..are you willing to be rational enough?

        read about Vedas on this site

        It’s your life and soul ..take the right decision ..all the best to you

        asato ma sadgamaya

      • @Peace

        Brief comments on your comment from Vedic angle. Others can easily elaborate with umpteen examples:

        1. Shahadah

        – There is only one (Ishwar) & My conscience (inner voice) is messenger of
        God. No other mortal immortal entity except God needs to be believed in because He alone is perfect

        2. Zakat(Charity)

        – Help Orphans & Poor people(Muslims or non-Muslims) and animals in terms of
        providing livable homes, heathly meals and medicines.

        Daan is the very basic essence of vedas. EVen most poor should donate.

        Shatahasta Samahara Sahasrahastam Sankira : Earn with 100 hands and gift to 1000.

        3. Sawn(Fast)

        – To eat for health and not taste alone.
        – To eat only vegetarian and not kill any innocent animal
        – To waste not a single grain
        – To keep fasts ocassionaly for health

        4. Jihad(Struggle)

        – Help people(Muslims or non-Muslims), oneself & animals to fight for truth & justice.
        – Keep equality
        – Keep environment clean and green.
        – Keep peace and compassion for all regardless of birth or belief

        5. Salah(Prayers)

        – Perform prayers to let their be ample human kindness & bring oneself &
        everyone in straight path.
        – Upasana or Prayers is essential to remove ignorance of mind and welfare of all.

        So brother, whatever good you can claim in Islam already exists in vedas in much more refined form. New Islam will have these laden with lots of contradictions and superstitions but Vedas present the refined form.

        Refer our entire series on Vedas. Others may guide you to specific portions of articles or mantras on each of these.

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      • you may post millions links & depend on internet world of Islam. for me

        Well I am still not convince by your falsehood of Islam. i am relieved that I am not the one who pondering on other religions to save own religion.

        1. As mention in Holy Quran not to abuse any false god, i will always go this path.

        2. I am not forcing anyone to embrace islam, as stated in Holy Quran compulsion in religion is not allowed.

        3. I will never make fun of anyone or give names as Holy Quran preaches.

        My intention here is to preach positiveness & truth about Islam.

        I will always go to straight path.

        1. There is only one Allah, Muhammad(pbup) is messenger of Allah.
        2. Charity for everyone
        3. Struggle for justice & truth
        4. Pray for eternal kindness & bring us on straight path
        5. Fast to save food & water for everyone and for good health.
        6. Hajj to mark respect as one, to beautiful religion islam.

        some comments to reply

        Millions have already fasted will fast in hot weather of summer & it is biggest prove they can still survive. so why you find it silly.

        Atleast we have strength to fast for 1 month, so I am requesting you the same do you have that strength for self sacrifice.

        Well you do not need to meditate to understand your soul. You just need to do some actions by helping one another in terms of charity, kindness or any other means. Then when everyone accepts you as kind soul. You will realize the beauty of humanity & Islam. simple

        my kind & humble request.

        I want authentic vedas complied, so i can read online, such as Quran is shared online. kindly share the link.

        People who are astray goes wrong path, its time to educate them to bring straight path.

        :: Peace ::

      • @Peace

        You came preaching on this site..i had no intention to deliberate on this subject with you

        Your religion asks to kill thye jews and christians or subjugate them into paying Jizya ..it does not matter if you don;t speack bad words against them

        anyways , my response is not for you ..it’s for the rational readers ..and they would benefit a lot from your unauthentic taqiyya claims and my authentic islamic references

        Neither you or me holds the copyright on truth,..and the path of kufr you have chosen seems fine to me..just stop calling your path the path of Islam.

        The path and pillars of islam are not decided by an indian agnostic or @peace..Muslim scholars decide this on the basis of authentic references and i have quoted those references only

        so while i congratulate you on your kuffar peaceful path ..i won’t allow you to pass your kufr as the tenets of islam…confusing the rest of kafirs and dhimmis by presenting a NON_EXISTENT peaceful version of islamic theology

        Good bye and may you find the truth someday
        peace to all

      • Peace
        What answers do you have for Indian Agnostic’s quotes from Hadith and Quran? You are not convinced because you think of anything against Islam as falsehood. You gave canceled verses and when exposed, you did not even accept your ignorance/lie. Now you are teaching us what Quran says! No listen what quran says

        1. Calling other’s God as false itself is an offence and it is already an abuse. But wait, I have some more. One verse of Quran calls the idolaters as worst of creatures! I know what you will say on this, simply I am not convinced!

        2. You need/can not force anyone to Islam. Ghazis have converted half the population of Indian subcontinent to Muslims in last 1000 years through sword and rape. But before blabbering no compulsion in Islam, read Ayat e Saif (verse of sword) which orders Muslims to kill Kafirs wherever you find them. Now say again you are not convinced!

        3. Holy Quran itself is full of hatred towards others so you dont need to say additional from your side.

        4. You are going to straight path where Muhammad is associated with LAASHAREEK Allah in prayers and even in passport to heaven.

        5. Charity for Muslims only, it has been proven by Indian Agnostic.

        6. Struggle for making everyone Muslim and this is the mere definition of truth in Islam, i.e. fight through sword until Kuffar exists.

        7. Pray hell for non Muslims.

        8. Eat in night and fast in days.

        9. Hajj to visit the house of Allah and birth place of Muhammad, to kiss the stone, to circumambulate it. Still you are not an idolater!

        10. You rightly pointed out that one does not need meditation if the only aim of this life and all good deeds is to get 72 hoories with transparent body and big bosoms.

        11. People in Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, Somalia, etc are realizing the beauty and humanity in Islam. After all getting blown in a bomb attack while praying Allah in Mosque will lead to heaven directly!

        I am very sorry that Vedas dont talk of this humanity, so they will be useless for you. But you can have a look at them at http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org

        I know you will again say that you are not convinced. But anyway, all the best

      • Thanks @Vajra for that pointed reply.

        and you are right ..the guy wont still be convinced !

        while i am typing this i see he has again posted his trademark ‘i am not convinced’ on some other thread..he’s devoid of reason and has aversion to facts.

        as they say …can’t make every horse drink the water

      • Indian Agnostic

        I am still not convince because you do not know history of Islam and depend highly on internet links and videos to convince others.. Neither I am angry with you or will throw temper.

        I am still waiting for my request.

        Kindly share authentic Vedas compiled for me to read online, as Holy Quran is complied online.

        People who goes astray, will always do wrong things and goes wrong path. Its times to educate them to come to straight path.

        :: Peace ::

      • Dear @Peace

        look at your self-contradictory statement :

        On the one hand you say you are not convinced because i quote from internet resources..on the other hand you want to learn Vedas from the internet itself

        I think your logical faculties have retired for the day ..please come tomorrow and see that you are not only unconvinced with me BUT YOUR OWN SELF.

        come back tomorrow and read our discussion once again ..may god bless you ..good day/night

        peace to all

      • Peace
        I think @Peace has time machine to go to the past and check it through his own eyes what happened really! BTW who is talking about history? Indian Agnostic has so far given just Quran and Hadith!

        Can you prove anything quoted here wrong? And by your logic, any of your comment about Islam cant be taken seriously because it is online and will be available on a link!

      • Dear @Peace

        look at your self-contradictory statement :

        On the one hand you say you are not convinced because i quote from internet resources..on the other hand you want to learn Vedas from the internet itself

        Answer – i know what Quran preaches so I highly depend on that, whatever contradicts to Quran I will not follow, so the links you provided are mere falsehood.

        Well since you ask me to learn Vedas, so I made request online simple

        I think your logical faculties have retired for the day ..please come tomorrow and see that you are not only unconvinced with me BUT YOUR OWN SELF.

        come back tomorrow and read our discussion once again ..may god bless you ..good day/night

        peace to all

        For my knowledge kindly share

        Is this word of God

        The 10 Principles of Arya Samaj

        1.
        God is the original source of all that is known by spritual knowledge and the physical sciences.
        2.
        God is Existent, conscious, all-beatitude, Formless, Almighty, Just, Merciful, Unbegotten, Infinite, Unchangeable, Beginningless, Incomparable, the support of All, the Lord of All, All-pervading, Omniscient and Controller of All from within, Evermature, Imperishable, Fearless, Eternal, Pure, Creator of the Universe. He alone ought to be worshipped.
        3.
        The Vedas are the books of all True knowledge. It is the paramount duty of all Aryas to read them, to teach them to others, to listen to them and to recite them to others.
        4.
        All persons should always be ready to accept truth and renounce untruth.
        5.
        All acts ought to be performed in conformity to Dharma(righteousness) i.e. after due consideration of truth and untruth.
        6.
        The primary object of Arya Samaj is to do good to the whole world, i.e. to promote physical, spiritual and social progress of all humans.
        7.
        Your dealings with all should be regulated by love and due justice, in accordance with the dictates of Dharma(righteousness).
        8.
        Avidya(illusion and ignorance) be dispelled, and Vidya(realisation and acquisition of knowledge) should be promoted.
        9.
        None should remain satisfied with his own progress only, but incessantly strive for the social upliftment, realizing his own benefitin the advancement of all others.
        10.
        All men ought to dedicate themselves necessarily for the social good and the well being of all, subordinating their personal interest, while the individual is free to enjoy the freedom of action for individual being.

        Peace

      • Indian Agonist and Vajra

        My request for Vedas

        Do you have English version of Vedas online?

        Rigveda
        Yajurveda
        Samveda
        Atharvaveda

        :: Peace ::

      • Peace
        We know what Quran preaches and it is same as given in links and thus we know any belief going against those are false. Thus you are false. Further discussion would need your clear refusal of believing in Quranic verses and Hadiths which Indian Agnostic has given. Or state that whatever has been quoted here in the name of verses of Quran and hadith are not correct, and provide correct verses.

        10 principles of Arya Samaj were made by Swami Dayanand and he was not God. Thus these principles are not the word of God.

        I repeat again, before posing any question, please clear your stand on Quran and hadith, and your belief in them. If yes, claim openly that all translations which we use and are recommended by scholars available on net are false.

        Learn Sanskrit and start reading Vedas yourself. Meanwhile, read the translation by Swami Dayanand, which is in Sanskrit and Hindi.

      • Vajra says:
        November 13, 2010 at 12:47 AM

        Peace
        We know what Quran preaches and it is same as given in links and thus we know any belief going against those are false. Thus you are false. Further discussion would need your clear refusal of believing in Quranic verses and Hadiths which Indian Agnostic has given. Or state that whatever has been quoted here in the name of verses of Quran and hadith are not correct, and provide correct verses.

        10 principles of Arya Samaj were made by Swami Dayanand and he was not God. Thus these principles are not the word of God.

        I repeat again, before posing any question, please clear your stand on Quran and hadith, and your belief in them. If yes, claim openly that all translations which we use and are recommended by scholars available on net are false.

        Learn Sanskrit and start reading Vedas yourself. Meanwhile, read the translation by Swami Dayanand, which is in Sanskrit and Hindi.

        Well I know Quran vey well, so i do not depend links to convince others My thoughts are enough.

        Thanks for sharing @ 10 principles.

        Request

        – i am not well verse in Sanskrit & Hindi. And links you provide is scan copy of Vedas.

        May I request to understand Vedas, kindly initiate to translate in English version like Holy Quran has in so many languages.

        is this possible?

        :: Peace ::

      • Peace
        You were asked to explain few verses given in the links and you could not do that! You are running away saying that we did not show you actual Quran! Tell me how can one show you the hard copy of Quran on this forum? Your comment itself in this way is not worth reading because it is also available on link!

        And we know Quran better than you and our thoughts are enough. But it were you who came here saying that you will come back to Vedas if we prove Islam to be faulty. Now when it was proved, you are jumping here and there. Grow up!

      • Vajra says:
        November 13, 2010 at 12:12 PM

        Peace
        You were asked to explain few verses given in the links and you could not do that! You are running away saying that we did not show you actual Quran! Tell me how can one show you the hard copy of Quran on this forum? Your comment itself in this way is not worth reading because it is also available on link!

        And we know Quran better than you and our thoughts are enough. But it were you who came here saying that you will come back to Vedas if we prove Islam to be faulty. Now when it was proved, you are jumping here and there. Grow up!

        By simply copying & pasting links & modifying verses with you own explanations, I could not able to answer your questions. Its merely explains you depend highly on internet world to get answers. if you want to learn something do it with clear heart.

        Kindly give me verses no. I will answer whatever questions you have simple.

        My advise

        Instead of posting links & preaching Vedas by pondering on
        other religion, take some initiative to translate Vedas to English and fulfil my request.

        Your destination is peace to mankind & mine too. so I do not like
        to ponder on other religion. i am here to share positiveness thats all.

        :: Peace::

      • Peace
        OK. Lets start from you. Give us the verses which say that Jihad is struggle for justice and truth and not killing Kafirs with sword, Jakat means help to non muslims, Roza is to save food & water for everyone and for good health etc.

        Your comments merely explain that you even dont rely on Quran, forget about the links! Provide the verses, its my challenge.

        You did not tell me, when Allah has two hands, how he can be shapeless? He sits on throne then how is he omnipresent? Belief in him alone is not sufficient to get Jannat then how is He perfect and complete?

      • Vajra says:
        November 13, 2010 at 7:46 PM

        Peace
        OK. Lets start from you. Give us the verses which say that Jihad is struggle for justice and truth and not killing Kafirs with sword, Jakat means help to non muslims, Roza is to save food & water for everyone and for good health etc.

        Your comments merely explain that you even dont rely on Quran, forget about the links! Provide the verses, its my challenge.

        You did not tell me, when Allah has two hands, how he can be shapeless? He sits on throne then how is he omnipresent? Belief in him alone is not sufficient to get Jannat then how is He perfect and complete?

        Islam is religion of peace & will preach peace. It is mankind who
        have maligned the truth and divided themselves into groups to
        practice their own ways.

        To know about Quran you need to clear your heart & minds. It is always
        said Quran is to recite. And when one recites it with positive minds, the meanings and thoughts comes using from their own self-consciousness.We do not need to depend on internet world or people to get the explanations of Quran, as whenever one recites Quran, every new peaceful thoughts comes in mind.

        Thats where questions about proofs in Quran is answered. Is the
        thoughts of verses.

        People who make use of Quran verses in wrong ways, will always
        lead to wrong path and history is evident with the painful events have
        occurred.

        To look into the history of Islam, people who adapted Islam were
        always tortured. That is the fact and history is evident. People
        adapted Islam and tried to preserve the true religion peacefully. But
        Kafirs(people who covers the truth) went against them. They use
        every means (violence) and ways to prevent this peaceful religion to prevail. Due to this painful event there was combat initiated to protect
        the true religion and people who struggle to preserve the truth. They were left out of no option but to combat the truth in cause to prevail justice. Where the Kafirs(people who covers the truth) were being thought lessons to give respect to the true religion. And Kafirs(people who covers the truth) who went over the limits were being left alone as Allah do not love transgressors.

        Then came the Hadiths which were written after 100 over years later.
        So many weak & strong Hadiths are being written. There so many flaws & corrupted versions in Hadiths The authenticity of Hadiths are still being questioned till today. After accepting true religion of Islam, many of them divided themselves into groups and practices their own ways
        due to this reasons.

        History is evident people who preaches peace were murdered..

        1. Prophet Mohammed
        2. Mahatma Gandhi
        3, Martin Luther King

        As Quran preaches they were many prophets sent to mankind.
        And now if I ponder on other religion & point on Vedas then I am
        simply abusing.

        Your thoughts are for peace to mankind & my intention is same. You
        find peace in Vedas you preserve that and i find peace in Holy Quran
        i will preserve that so why argue instead, come together and do some good deeds for peace to mankind.

        Lets come and join together on this path, rest assured links provided
        below are for true path.Mercy & peace on mankind.

        1. http://www.myspace.com/theonecampaign

        2. http://www.myspace.com/gidcco

        3. http://www.myspace.com/unicef

        4.http://www.myspace.com/compassion

        5. http://www.myspace.com/oneclick

        6. http://www.myspace.com/joinred

        7. http://www.myspace.com/25000dieperdayofhunger

        8. http://www.butterflieschildrights.org/home.php

        9. http://www.cry.org/index.html

        :: Peace ::

      • Dear Mr Indian Agnostic

        Kindly if you want to copy text do not copy half and runaway here is the same link you provided, which answers about Zakat

        if not , then the Islamic Zakat is cultist charity ..BY Muslim for MUSLIMS ONLY..and the proof is for everybody to see

        ✤http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1527&CATE=5

        Walaikum assalam,

        There is scholarly consensus (ijma`) that zakat cannot be given to non-Muslims, as mentioned by Ibn al-Mundhir, Kasani, Ibn Qudama, Buhuti, and others.

        Muwaffaq Ibn Qudama, a great Hanbali Imam, says in his Mughni:

        �We do not know of any difference of opinion among the people of knowledge (ahl al-`ilm) that zakat on wealth cannot be given to a kafir� Ibn al-Mundhir said, �There is consensus of all those whose positions we know from the people of knowledge that a non-Muslim (dhimmi) cannot be given any zakat.�

        �This is because the Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to Mu`adh [in the authentic hadith, reported by Bukhari 1365, Muslim 26-27, and elsewhere], �Tell them that they are obliged to give a charity (i.e. zakat) that is taken from their rich and given to their poor.�

        �The Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) specified the Muslims as giving it to their poor, just as he specified that it is only obligatory on their rich.� [Ibn Qudama, al-Mughni, 2.1774]

        The hadith commentators mention that their above refers to �the Muslims,� in both cases. This is how Imam Kasani explained it in his Bada�i` al-Sana�i` in Hanafi fiqh, too.

        As for �those whose hearts are to be inclined,� this category has been abrogated according to the Hanafi scholars. [Hidaya] There is difference of opinion regarding this point, however, among the schools of fiqh.

        Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas, the 4th century AH Hanafi mujtahid imam, explains in his brilliant commentary on the Qur�anic verses containing legal rulings that other charity, however, may be given to needy non-Muslims.

        He explains that this falls under the general instruction that, �Allah forbids you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loves the just dealers.� (Qur�an, 60: 8) [Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur�an, 1.629-630]

        Abu al-Darda� (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him, his family, and companions) said, �Nothing more weighty than good character is placed on the Scales [on the Day of Judgement].� [Tirmidhi 1936, Abu Dawud 4166, Ahmad 26224, and others]

        Walaikum assalam,
        Faraz Rabbani.

      • Dear Mr Indian Agnostic

        by simply posting verse do not imply anything learn the history under what circumstances this happen.

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 026, Number 5389:
        Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.

        http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/rules-of-greeting-non-muslims-in-islam-saying-salaamreplying-salaam-bynurideen-lemu-an-nigeri/

        Rules of Greeting non-Muslims in Islam (Saying Salaam/Replying Salaam) By:Nurideen Lemu An-Nigeri
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        Rules Related to Greeting Non-Muslims in Islam:

        Nurideen Lemu An-Nigeri

        Preface

        Muslims, just like the rest of mankind do not live in isolation. They live in a world of multi-religious and multicultural diversities. With globalization, the world is getting more and more exposed to new cultures, religions, and ideologies etc. If Muslims have to integrate into the so described global village, then good communication is a vital component. Just like it is in all civilizations, cultures and religions, greeting is the very social responsibility at the first point of contact. Consequently, how one greets another person can open the way for better interaction or halt further relationship. This becomes more important where the non-Muslim contemporaries vividly understand the meaning of the Muslim’s unique way of greeting and feel discriminated against, belittled or disrespected if they are denied the salutations of salaam (Peace). This grudge and rancor if left unattended could be detrimental to peaceful co-existence and subsequently threatening to the progress of Da’wah. Therefore, this paper attempts to x-ray the actual facts about the subject from the Qur’an and Sunnah, and to clarify which opinion may be stronger or more applicable to our contemporary context.

        It is hoped that this paper will help Muslims get a truer picture on this matter, and lead to greater respect for the divergence of opinion among Muslim scholars.

        INTRODUCTION

        Greeting is a moral act, a way of acknowledging presence, showing respect and courtesy. It is recognized as a norm in all cultures and civilizations. It is the first social right at the point of contact and cuts across religious and cultural barriers. It was quite ordinary in history that even opposing armies will engage in some form of mutual acknowledgement before the start of combat.

        Islam, as a comprehensive way of life also recognizes this norm as a right, and goes to the extent of specifying how it should be done: ‘Assalamu alaikum’ meaning ‘peace be upon you’ or more perfectly: ‘Assalamu alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatuh’ meaning “Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah be upon you”. In this regard, Allah says in the Qur’an: “And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet (in return) with one which is better than it or (at least) return it (in like manner). Indeed, Allah is ever taking account of all things” The greeting Allah is referring to here is generally understood to be ‘Assalamu alaikum’. He also described salaam as “a greeting from Allah, blessed and good”. Likewise the Prophet of Islam (Peace be upon him) was once asked: ‘what aspect of Islam is among the best?” He replied “Giving food (to the needy) and saying salaam to whom you know and whom you know not”. In another instance, he enjoined his followers to spread the greetings of salaam because it increases the love between them. He also said: “It is not permissible for a person to desert his fellow brother for more than three days while they continue to meet and turn their backs to each other. And the best of them is the first to say Salaam”. He also ruled: ”Let the young say Salaam to the elder, and the passerby to the seated, and the smaller group to the larger group.”

        Inevitably, Muslims live among relations, friends and well-wishers from other faiths. The salient question is: does this universal precious greeting of peace extend to them?

        In discussing this topic, the rulings on issues having to do with initiating the saying of salaams will be treated separately as a section, and then followed by those related to replying or responding to salaam from non-Muslims.

        SECTION A

        INITIATING THE SAYING OF SALAAM TO NON-MUSLIMS

        Muslim scholars in Islam have three major views concerning the saying of salaam to members of others faiths, such as Christians, Zoroastrians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Animists. One group of scholars prohibits it, while a second group permits it. Yet a third group takes a midway position by saying when conditions call for it or make it necessary, Muslims may initiate the greeting of salaam.

        It has been authentically reported from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) that he said:

        “Do not initiate Salaam with them….” But it was said that this injunction was specifically when they were going to Banu Quraizah9. But the question is, is this a general rule applying to all non-Muslim citizens, or only to those who exhibits hostilities to Muslims as did the Banu Quraizah? This is a point of deliberation (among scholars).

        Ι. PROHIBITION OF INITIATING THE SAYING OF SALAAM TO NON-MUSLIMS

        A good number of Islamic scholars are of the view that it is prohibited to initiate the greeting of salaam to non-Muslims. They say salaam is meant to be exchanged among Muslims and that the verse of the Qur’an which spoke of greeting with salaam is referring to Muslim alone. This was the view of Ata’ bin Rabah They went further to say that salaam is to Muslims as shalom is to Jews. They backed their position with the Hadith reported by Abu Hurairah, where the messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: “You must not initiate the (greetings of) salaam with Jews and Christians,”. They say, salaam is a greeting of honor and a non–Muslim (kafir) does not deserve to be honored. Ahmad Bin Hanbal commented on the above Hadith: “Going by this Hadith is better than any other contrary opinion”. Ibn Hajar is of similar opinion, while commenting on the above Hadith, he said: “The most credible of all these (views) is what is evident in the above Hadith, although it is specific to the People of the Book. Ibn Katheer also, while commenting on the verse on greeting (Qur’an 4:86) said: “But as to non-Muslim citizens (Alum Dimmit) one should not initiate to them the greetings of salaam” Abu Haneefah and Malik Bin Anas detested initiating salaam with non-Muslims.

        Proponents of this opinion argue further that the salaam meant for greeting is among the peculiarities of this Ummah of Prophet Muhammad as reported by Anas bin Malik, who said that the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Indeed, Allah has given my Ummah three things that were not given to any other Ummah before me: saying salaam, and it is the greeting of the people of Jannah (Paradise)…”

        Imam An-Nawawi reconciled between the ahadith that enjoyed greeting and those that prohibit initiating salaams to non Muslims as follows: “The ahadith that enjoined spreading the greetings of salaam is a generalization (A’am), from which the people of the book were excluded”

        This group go further to assert that the salaam that Prophet Ibrahim (Peace be upon him) said to his father in Qur’an 19:47 was a mere farewell and good will, and it was not meant as a greeting.

        From among the contemporary scholars, Ibn Uthaimeen holds a similar opinion. He believed initiating greetings of any sort with non-Muslims is a sort of honor given to them which they don’t deserve. He categorically spelt out that it is prohibited (Haraam) to greet them with salaam. He further said: “Because it is a humiliation for a Muslim when he starts to honor a non-Muslim”. Shaykh Abdul-Azeez Bin Baaz while commenting on the Hadith earlier stated, said: “This indicates that we respond to them if they initiate it. It is initiating it that is prohibited” Scholars of the Shafii Madhhab uphold the prohibition of initiating salaam to a non-Muslim citizen. However, they permitted initiating with other local greetings only when the need arises, because it is an expression of love. They argued further that Allah the Most High has warned: “You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger,.. However, some of the Shafi’i Madhhab scholars consider it to be merely detestable (Makruh).

        II. PERMISIBILITY OF SAYING SALAAM TO NON-MUSLIMS

        Another group of scholars consider it permissible to commence the saying of salaam to a non-Muslim. They say this view is in harmony with how Qur’an represents the Islamic greeting of peace as a universal greeting. They advance their argument on the basis of the following texts:

        “O you who believe, enter not into houses other than yours without first announcing your presence and invoking peace (saying salaam) upon the folk thereof. That is better for you, that you may be heedful”

        “And servants of (Allah) the Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, Peace (Salaam)!”

        “Consider his cry: ‘O my Lord! Surely they are a people who do not believe! So turn away from them and say ‘Salaam’ (Peace) for they shall soon come to know”.

        Also, ”And when they hear ill speech, they turn away from it and say, ‘For us are our deeds and for you are your deeds, peace be upon you; we seek not the ignorant”

        The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: “Greet with Peace those whom you know and those whom you do not know” He also informed us that when Allah created Adam, He commanded him “Go to that assembly” and they were an assembly of seated angels – ” and listen to how they greet you. Indeed, it is your greeting and the greeting of your descendents”. He said: “Peace be upon you” they said: “Peace be upon you and Allah’s Mercy”

        The Prophet (Peace be upon him) also said: “Spread the greeting of peace”

        In response to the hadith quoted by the first group, they agree that it relates to the state of hostilities which erupted between the Jews and the Muslims at the time of campaign against Banu Quraizah. They supported this assertion by a Hadith where the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: “We are going forth in the morning against a group of Jews, so do not initiate the greeting of ‘Peace’ with them”

        More so, a good number of the companions hold the same opinion. Abdullahi bin Mas’ud once said salaam to a non-Muslim. When asked: “Are we not warned against initiating salaam with them?“ He replied: “It is a right of companionship”. He once wrote a letter to a non-Muslim and said therein, ‘Assalamu alaik’ – “Peace be upon you”. Abu ad-Darda’, Abdullahi bin Abbas, Fudalah bin Ubaid and Ibn Muhairiz were also of the same view. It was equally reported that, Abu Umamah Al-Bahily do used to say salaam to whoever he passed by, Muslim or non-Muslim, and used to say, “it is a greeting for the people of our religion, and an assurance of security to our non-Muslim citizens, and a Name among the Names of Allah we spread among ourselves”. Notable among the prominent pious predecessors of the second generation was Sufyan bin Uyaynah, who when asked whether a Muslim can salute a non-Muslim with salaam, replied in affirmation and quoted the saying of Allah “Allah does not forbid you in respect of those who do not fight you because of your religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous and dealing justly towards them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly”

        Imam Awzaiy said: “If you say salaam to them (the non-Muslims), then surely (some) pious people did the same, and if you don’t, indeed, (some) pious people did the same.” Umar Bin Abdul-Azeez said: “I feel no qualm in initiating salaam to them, because of the saying of Allah: ”So turn away from them and say ‘salaam’ – (Peace), for they shall soon come to know” Al-Sha’abi is also of the same understanding. He once said to a Jew “Peace and Allah’s Mercy be upon you” (Alaikas-Salam wa Rahmatullah), so it was said to him “You told a Jew Warahmatullah”? He replied back saying: “Isn’t he living in Allah’s Mercy?

        Proponents of this view explained that the rationale behind the prohibition of initiating salaam was that some of the Jews used to greet the Prophet with ‘As-Saamu alaik’ meaning “Death be upon you”. However, if they change, and there is peaceful co-existence, nothing stops us of from initiating salaam. This view is equally supported by Imam Qurtubi.

        III PERMISIBILITY ON CONDTION

        The third category of scholars are those that see salaam to be permissible on necessities such as seeking help from them, companionship, a journey, or some other necessity, or if such non-Muslim are relations. This view tries to reconcile between the first two. They say that the Hadith of prohibition is applicable when conditions do not call for saying salaam. They support this assertion by a Hadith related by Usamah bin Zaid that the Prophet (peace be upon him) passed by a company of people which comprised Muslims, idol worshippers and Jews, and he greeted them with the salutation of peace (salaam). They say the only way to reconcile between the Hadith of prohibition and the above is permissibility but only when necessary. Notable among members of this group are: Ibrahim An-Nakhaiy, Alqamah and Al-Sha’by.

        It is observable that the Prophet did not state any condition for His action in this hadith. Did He intend the greeting for only the Muslim s in the group, with the non Muslims as collateral beneficiaries? Or did He intend the greeting for all irrespective of their faith? In as much as the hadith exclude any condition, it is safe to assume that the Prophet’s greeting was directed to everyone in the group, Muslim or non Muslim.

        SECTION B

        RESPONDING TO SALAAM FROM NON-MUSLIMS

        Nearly all the scholars have unanimously agreed that it is compulsory to reply salaams from a non-Muslim just as if he or she were a Muslim. This ruling is based on the verse of the Qur’an where Allah is says: “And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet (in return) with what is better or (at least) return it (in a like manner)…”

        Sufyan At-Thawri reported from Al-Hasan Al-Basari: “Initiating the saying of salaam is voluntary, but replying to the greeting of salaam is compulsory”. Ibn Katheer said: “This statement of Al-Hasan Al-Basari is the position of all scholars unanimously.

        From the Madh-hab point of view, Hanafis and Malikis consider responding to salaam from a non-Muslim to be permissible, while scholars from Shafii and Hanbali Madh-habs consider it to be compulsory. However, scholars differ on how the reply should be.

        The first category believe that the response to their greeting of salaam should be ‘wa’alaikum (And upon you too) or Alaikum’ (let it be upon you) and no more. Their evidence is the popular Hadith of Anas Bin Malik related by Bukhari and Muslim; that the Messenger of Allah said: “When the people of the Book offer you salutations, you should say: the same to you” (wa’alaikum). In another tradition it is related that the companions said to the Prophet: “The People of the Book offer us salutations (by saying as-Salaamu-alaikum). How should we reciprocate?’’ There upon he said: say: ‘Wa’alaikum’ (and upon you too). In the text narrated by Abdullahi bin ‘Umar: Allah’s Messenger said: “When the Jews greet you, they usually say, ‘As-Saamu alaikum (Death be on you), so you should say (in reply to them), ‘wa’alaikum (And on you too).” In the same vein, Aisha narrated: The Jews used to greet the Prophet by saying, ‘As-Samu ‘Alaika (death be upon you), so I understood what they said, and I said to them, “As-Samu alaikum wal-la’na (Death and Allah’s curse be upon you)”. The Prophet said, “Be gentle and calm, O ‘Aisha, as Allah likes gentleness in all affairs” I said, “O Allah’s Prophet! Did you hear what they said?” He said, “Didn’t you hear me answering them back by saying, ‘Alaikum (the same be upon you).

        Ibn Abbas commented on Qur’an 4:86 thus: “Greet (in return) with what is better” applies to a believer, but if it is a non-Muslim, reply with what the Messenger of Allah has instructed to be said to them “wa’alaikum” (And upon you too) Imam Al-Tabari while commenting on the same verse said “And already, the Sunnah has excluded non-Muslims from benefiting from the response that is better by the instruction to respond with “Wa’alaikum” Therefore, it is not befitting for anybody to transgress the bounds laid by the messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) in that regard. They supported this assertion with a Hadith reported by Anas, where he said: “We were instructed not to say more than ‘wa’alaikum’ (And upon you) in response to the greeting of the People of the Book.

        The second category of scholars in this regard believe that in replying the salaam of a non-Muslim, one can go as far as saying “Wa’alaikumus-Salaam” (And Peace be upon you) provided one is sure the person’s salutation is an actual greeting salaam. They say when Allah was instructing the reply to a greeting, it was a generalized instruction that came in passive form “And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet (in return) with one better than it or (at least) return it (in a like manner)”. He (Allah) did not say “And if you were greeted by a Muslim”

        Ibn Mas’ud said: ‘Even if Pharaoh (Fir’aun) said good words to me, I would respond to him with similar (good words). Abdullah bin Abbas also said while explaining the verse on greeting (Q4:86) ”Whoever says salaam to you among the creatures of Allah reply him, even if he is a Zoroastrian (Majus). A group of scholars from the Shafii Madh’hab also hold this view”

        Some of the members of the group believe one can say “Wa’alaikumus-Salam’ (Peace be upon you also) only, without warahmatullah (And Allah’s Mercy) while majority of them believe the response should be according to the greeting. This group went further to interpret the reply to a non-Muslim to mean supplication and good will.

        Notable among proponents of this opinion include Shaikh AbdulAziz bin Baaz where he said:

        “If a non-Muslim greets us, we respond in the same manner that he/she greets us with. So if one (of the non-Muslims) says: ‘As Salaamu ‘Alaikum’ clearly when greeting us, we respond by saying ‘Alaikum as Salaam’, if one says ‘Ahlan wa Sahlan’ we respond with ‘Ahlan wa Sahlan’, and if they say “good morning”, we respond by saying “good morning”. We greet them in the same way that they greet us acting on the order of Allah the Mighty and Majestic (Q4:86)

        Shaikh Muhammad Bin Salih al-Uthaimeen also share similar view in the statement below:

        “If a non-Muslim greets a Muslim by saying “al-saamu ‘alaykum” (Death be upon you), then we should respond by saying ‘wa ‘alaykum (and also upon you). The fact that the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “wa alaykum” (And upon you also) indicates that if they were saying “as-salaamu ‘alaykum” (Peace be upon you), then peace will also be upon them, that is, whatever they say to us, we say to them. Hence some of the scholars said that if a Jew, Christian or other non-Muslim clearly says “al-Salaamu ‘alaykum”, it is permissible for us to say “Alaykum al-Salaam” (upon you peace be)

        To wind up this segment of the discussion, let us cite the statement of Ibn Qayyim:

        “If it is confirmed that the non-Muslim citizen (Dhimmi) said salaam ‘alaikum’ (clearly), the dictates of the principles of Jurisdiction and the rulings/evidence of the Shariah is in line with replying with ‘wa ‘alayka as-salaam’ (and upon you be peace), because this is more of just and kind. More so, Allah the Most High has said: “And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet (in return) with what is better or (at least) return it (in like manner)….” He thus encourages replying with what is better and has mandated justice. And this in no way contradicts any of the ahadith in this chapter, because, the instruction of replying with ‘wa ‘alaykum” (and upon you too) was in consequence of what the Jews deliberately did in their greeting. The Hadith of Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) pointed to this, while the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Don’t you see me responding to them by saying ‘wa ‘alaykum’ (And upon you)? Then he instructed: “If the people of the book say salaam to you (in greetings), say to them ‘and upon you’. Although the entirety of the text is considered, the context and the factors underlying it are also important.… So, if the precursor ceased, and the People of the Book say: “Salaamun ‘alaykum wa Rahmatullah” (Peace and Mercy of Allah be upon you), justice in greeting demands that they should be replied in similar way. Perfection belongs to Allah”

        CONCLUSION

        This paper has attempted to show that the Hadiths specifically excluding the People of the Book from the salutations of Salaam have been understood by a group of scholars to be a generalized injunction. They therefore ruled that it is unlawful to initiate salutations of salaam with non-Muslims such as Jews, Christians, Pagans, and Zoroastrians and others.

        Another group considers the related verses of the Qur’an, several Hadiths and the context surrounding the specific Hadith on prohibition, and viewed it to be permissible to initiate greetings of Salaam with a non-Muslim. This group understands the Hadith on prohibition to be specific to a particular instance and context. In accordance with the view of this group of scholars, therefore, it is only the presence of similar hostile condition that warrants the prohibition of initiating salaams with non Muslims.

        It is worth mentioning that some Companions saw the salutations of Salaam to be a right of companionship. This implies that the context may also be important.

        However, virtually all scholars seem to have no problem with responding to Salaam from non-Muslims in consideration of the instruction of Allah in Qur’an 4:86.They only differ on the format of the reply.

        Greeting in whatever form is considered by Scholars of Principles of Jurisprudence (Usool al-Fiqh) to be among social transactions (Mu’amalat) regarding which the basic principle of Jurisprudence governing it is permissibility, except otherwise prohibited by Islamic Law (Sharia).

        Sufyan At-Thawri was reported to have said “If you see a man doing something over which there is difference of opinion among scholars, and which you believe to be forbidden, you should not forbid him from doing it“

        He also said: “If you say salaam (to the non-Muslims), then surely (some) pious people did the same, and if you don’t, indeed, (some) pious people did same.”

        After affirming that Allah knows best concerning all affairs, it is only befitting to end this discussion with the beautiful greeting in question,

        Assalaamu ‘Alaikum Warahmatullaahi Wabarakaatuh.

      • Namaste @prideofmuslimwomen

        i quoted the most relevant part ..which is obvious from your full post once again which clearly states that

        “There is consensus of all those whose positions we know from the people of knowledge that a non-Muslim (dhimmi) cannot be given any zakat.”

        so the point that i was discussing (about zakat) has been quoted from the site ..and thanks for confirming in a LONG POST what i proved in SHORT RELEVANT PART from the same source.

        what did you gain by posting the whole article? ..does this change the fact that NON- MUSLIMS CANNOT RECEIVE ZAKAT ? No!

        Mohammed was right about muslimahs i guess ..you know what i mean ..don’t you?

        Best Regards

      • Dear Ms. @prideofmuslimwomen
        Namaste

        you say “Dear Mr Indian Agnostic
        by simply posting verse do not imply anything learn the history under what circumstances this happen”

        i have already replied to all thses hadit accounts already in reply to brother rashid masood.

        the crux of the reply is that

        1) none of these hadits state that a muslim should INITIATE a greeting, rather the hadits point out that MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT INITIATE A GREETING WITH NON_MUSLIMS

        2) I never argued that muslims should not return a greeting ..all the hadits you quote fall under this second category..where a muslim should GREET BACK in an equal or higher manner either -ve or +ve.

        So your long posting of the entire collection is again useless , if you don’t understand the argument you are fighting against.

        the argument is that “muslims should not initiate a greeting with non-muslims” ..and it stays.

        Thank you!

      • Dear Mr Indian Agnostic,

        “There is consensus of all those whose positions we know from the people of knowledge that a non-Muslim (dhimmi) cannot be given any zakat.”

        so the point that i was discussing (about zakat) has been quoted from the site ..and thanks for confirming in a LONG POST what i proved in SHORT RELEVANT PART from the same source.

        what did you gain by posting the whole article? ..does this change the fact that NON- MUSLIMS CANNOT RECEIVE ZAKAT ? No!

        Mohammed was right about muslimahs i guess ..you know what i mean ..don’t you?

        Best Regards

        Well by posting I proved it also be given to non Muslims, did you over look this meanings.

        It clearly states it was told at that time for those people who were using
        violence against people of Islam.

        Grow up learn the history, do not misuse the words is history.

        Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas, the 4th century AH Hanafi mujtahid imam, explains in his brilliant commentary on the Qur�anic verses containing legal rulings that other charity, however, may be given to needy non-Muslims.

        He explains that this falls under the general instruction that, �Allah forbids you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loves the just dealers.� (Qur�an, 60: 8) [Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur�an, 1.629-630]

        Abu al-Darda� (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace be upon him, his family, and companions) said, �Nothing more weighty than good character is placed on the Scales [on the Day of Judgement].� [Tirmidhi 1936, Abu Dawud 4166, Ahmad 26224, and others]

        Walaikum assalam,
        Faraz Rabbani.

      • Dear Mr Indian Agnostic

        Indian Agnostic says ::

        by simply posting verse do not imply anything learn the history under what circumstances this happen”

        i have already replied to all thses hadit accounts already in reply to brother rashid masood.

        the crux of the reply is that

        1) none of these hadits state that a muslim should INITIATE a greeting, rather the hadits point out that MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT INITIATE A GREETING WITH NON_MUSLIMS

        2) I never argued that muslims should not return a greeting ..all the hadits you quote fall under this second category..where a muslim should GREET BACK in an equal or higher manner either -ve or +ve.
        e for
        So your long posting of the entire collection is again useless , if you don’t understand the argument you are fighting against.

        the argument is that “muslims should not initiate a greeting with non-muslims” ..and it stays.

        Answer for you

        This was related to the history. As Jews & Christians use to say
        death be upon you in return . So this was only said at that time only for those people who said this in return death be upon you

        grow up learn the history do not misuse words from history

      • @prideofmuslimwomen: Thank god, at least someone accepted that the teachings of quran are for the people who “LIVED” so are no longer applicable to the modern world.
        The same can be said for the earth being flat, moon being split into two, punishment in the grave,72 virgins in heaven, liquor in heaven, silk garments in heaven, women being half intelligent and all such idiotic concepts.

        if you reject them as well, then i guess are for sure pride of Muslimas.
        but if not you are just using the usual al taqiya and being a hypocrite,
        Typical of the Momin cult.

      • Namaste @prideofmuslimwomen

        //This was related to the history.//

        Sunnah of the prophet is not be treated as history ..or else you would become a kafir like me !

        //As Jews & Christians use to saydeath be upon you in return . So this was only said at that time only for those people who said this in return death be upon you//

        again you dint get my point ..the point is NOT how to RETURN a greeting ..BUT ..how to INITIATE a greeting.

        and muhammad is very clear that non-muslims must not be greeted first

        //grow up learn the history do not misuse words from history//

        as i said ealier, the sunnah of the prophet is not discarded as history by muslims.

        the prophet said to the muslims that grow beards and use your tongues to act against polytheists.

        and the muslims still grow their beard and trim their mustaches as a mark of protest against the polytheists.

        you should seriously learn a thing or two from us kafirs :).

        Now your oxymoronic name inspired me to write an impromptu poem ..it’s dedicated to all muslimahs ..enjoy or hate ..it’s the truth

        अल्लाह ने क्या बढ़िया मुकाम दिया है
        मुस्लिमा को हवस का सामान किया है

        बच्चियों को बूढों की बेगम बनाइये
        खुद चार बेगमों का हरम सजाइये

        अपनी बेगमों को परीशां न छोड़िये
        लात घूंसे मारिये , निशाँ न छोड़िये
        रुखसार-ए-मुस्लिमा से होती है हरारत
        तो इनके चेहरों को बे-ढंका न छोडिये

        चौथाई तुझे प्यार मिले ,आधी रहे गवाह
        औरत तेरे वजूद पे यूँ बरपा तेरा खुदा
        ये हाल तेरा तुझको इक चेहरा नहीं नसीब
        बचपन भी तेरा हवस की सूली पे जा चढ़ा

        गर अपने होने पर शर्मिंदा नहीं है तू
        पिंजरे में रहने वाला परिंदा नहीं है तू
        तो उठके इक आवाज़ से अर्श हिला दे
        मिट जाय ये भरम के जिंदा नहीं है तू

      • All Satyagni followers

        Indian Agnostic Says:

        “2.The remains become organic fertilizer for vegetation to grow.The ashes are drowned in rivers and this becomes food for the fish/alligators.So you see, the material remains are returned back to the earth.

        Nothing can burn the ever existing entity called Soul in the Vedas…the body is just the material ..so when the soul has left the body ..it’s no need to foolishly cling on to the body”

        It is so sad to see first you burn body create pollution in the environment,
        thats wat Vedas teaches.

        second inhuman behaviour of polluting river by throwing ashes & treat this food for
        fish & alligators.

        kindly prove from Vedas Fish can eat ashes & its harmless.

        How would you feel like to eat ashes?

        please answer sir. i am waiting

      • Why do you consider ash as pollution? It settles down in the river as sediment and nature will take care. why are you worrying? If you want pure water, filter heat and drink? If you consider ash a pollution better stop having children and kill yourself as it will dicrease burden on the remainin population.

      • Dear Mr. Adolf,

        Your nickname suits your comments. that’s what Vedas preaches is it?.

        Questions

        if a child is 2-3yrs god forbid passes way, will you burn a child or bury it.?

        it sounds hypocrite if u bury it.

        Thanks

        Well u have already proved by solving half answer by saying water pollution.

        Peace to upon you

      • Forests burn down and new forest come from the burnt ash, thats how nature behaves. Why do you consider ash as a pollution to water, so many living beings in water die and live in water do you consider it as pollution?
        Better to burn even a child.
        At no time will a hindu go to grave of human beings unless that grave is of a jnani.
        Adolf hitler dwarfs to what muslim kings have done to your forefathers.

        Your nick name gives an idea of your intelligence.

        There is already a lot of peace in every living being,It is only disturbed by the imaginary goal of reaching heaven.

        Also could you let men know what will a muslim man look like if his body is buried here on earth?

      • Dear आर्यव्रतस्थ

        There is a new comment on the post “Muhammad (PBUH) – A Genius Misunderstood!”.
        http://Satyagni.com/762/muhammad/

        Author: आर्यव्रतस्थ
        Comment:
        @prideofmuslimwomen: Thank god, at least someone accepted that the teachings of quran are for the people who “LIVED” so are no longer applicable to the modern world.
        The same can be said for the earth being flat, moon being split into two, punishment in the grave,72 virgins in heaven, liquor in heaven, silk garments in heaven, women being half intelligent and all such idiotic concepts.

        if you reject them as well, then i guess are for sure pride of Muslimas.
        but if not you are just using the usual al taqiya and being a hypocrite,
        Typical of the Momin cult.

        Answers

        Kindly quote the verses where you learn this from. By simply posting this neither you or me
        gain any knowledge.

      • @prideofmuslimwomen : seems you being new to this portal have not gone throught the contents…If i Give you the specific references to all that i have mentioned what be your action..
        will you stop believing in ISLAM?

      • @prideofmuslimwomen : Moreover have you not Read the Quran and the sahih hadidths.??? that you ask this question?

      • Author: Indian Agnostic
        Comment:
        Namaste @prideofmuslimwomen

        //This was related to the history.//

        Sunnah of the prophet is not be treated as history ..or else you would become a kafir like me !

        //As Jews & Christians use to saydeath be upon you in return . So this was only said at that time only for those people who said this in return death be upon you//

        again you dint get my point ..the point is NOT how to RETURN a greeting ..BUT ..how to INITIATE a greeting.

        and muhammad is very clear that non-muslims must not be greeted first

        //grow up learn the history do not misuse words from history//

        as i said ealier, the sunnah of the prophet is not discarded as history by muslims.

        the prophet said to the muslims that grow beards and use your tongues to act against polytheists.

        and the muslims still grow their beard and trim their mustaches as a mark of protest against the polytheists.

        you should seriously learn a thing or two from us kafirs :).

        Now your oxymoronic name inspired me to write an impromptu poem ..it’s dedicated to all muslimahs ..enjoy or hate ..it’s the truth

        अल्लाह ने क्या बढ़िया मुकाम दिया है
        मुस्लिमा को हवस का सामान किया है

        बच्चियों को बूढों की बेगम बनाइये
        खुद चार बेगमों का हरम सजाइये

        अपनी बेगमों को परीशां न छोड़िये
        लात घूंसे मारिये , निशाँ न छोड़िये
        रुखसार-ए-मुस्लिमा से होती है हरारत
        तो इनके चेहरों को बे-ढंका न छोडिये

        चौथाई तुझे प्यार मिले ,आधी रहे गवाह
        औरत तेरे वजूद पे यूँ बरपा तेरा खुदा
        ये हाल तेरा तुझको इक चेहरा नहीं नसीब
        बचपन भी तेरा हवस की सूली पे जा चढ़ा

        गर अपने होने पर शर्मिंदा नहीं है तू
        पिंजरे में रहने वाला परिंदा नहीं है तू
        तो उठके इक आवाज़ से अर्श हिला दे
        मिट जाय ये भरम के जिंदा नहीं है तू

        Answer::

        you are pure hypocrite, you prove yourself by posting this your real character came in finally
        That is what Vedas preaches you instigate others in name of religion, malign other religion and be ignorant

      • Namaste @prideofmuslimwomen

        I believe in seeking and upholding truth and discarding falsities with fearlessness and without bias.

        If i were a hypocrite i would have said that i love islam’s treatment of women on the one hand and would have denigrated it on the other.

        but that is not the case ! ..i have always opposed the hateful and gender discriminating tenets of Islam

        I love muslims but not whole of Islam and i don’t love muslims who relegate women to second grade citizens

        i hate political islam as i find it completely against universal human morality and principles.

        if i may say, you are the hypocrite as far this argument is concerned, you deny what is documented in your theology and is held by your theological scholars.

        opposing a wrong is not hypocrisy, appeasing a wrong IS !

        Dhanyavad

      • @IA : it seems there a trend these days to use the word “Hypocrite” without knowing the context where it may be used…especially amongst a lil educated Muslims.
        and @prideofmuslimwomen gives us an example of the same ,by the usage of this word.

      • @आर्यव्रतस्थ bro ..that’s the whole problem with this lot…they don;t understand the difference between a critique and hypocrisy..for them both are synonymous

        I pity their intolerance of criticism ..a faith which is not receptive to criticism becomes a cult ..and that is what the story of islam is all about

      • @prideofmuslimwomen : Its so unfortunate that instead Of Muslims the Kafirs have to read quran and hadidiths..
        Anyways

        moon split Qur’anic verse 54:1-2

        Women’s deficient intelligenct Qur’an 2:282(numerious reference are in Hadith Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301
        ,Sahih Bukhari 2:24:541
        Sahih Bukhari 3:48:826)

        Virgins in Heaven (55):56;55:72 (lot of others reference)

        Grave punishment (Adhaab al-Qabr)
        The Sunnah contains numerous evidences and descriptions of the punishment of the grave.

        Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: Allah’s Apostle passed by two graves and said, “Both of them (persons in the grave) are being tortured, and they are not being tortured for a major sin. This one used not to save himself from being soiled with his urine, and the other used to go about with calumnies (among the people to rouse hostilities, e.g., one goes to a person and tells him that so-and-so says about him such-and-such evil things). The Prophet then asked for a green leaf of a date-palm tree, split it into two pieces and planted one on each grave and said, “It is hoped that their punishment may be abated till those two pieces of the leaf get dried.”

        From Abu Hurayrah who said: The Prophet said, “When one of you finishes the last tashahhud (testimony of faith in prayer), he should seek refuge in Allaah from four things: From the Punishment of Hell, from the Punishment of the Grave, from the trials of life and death, and from the evil trials of the Maseehud-Dajjaal (Anti-Christ).”

        Anas reported Mohammed as saying: If you were not (to abandon) the burying of the dead (in the grave), I would have certainly supplicated to Allah that He should make you listen to the torment of the grave.

        Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “When a human being is laid in his grave and his companions return and he even hears their footsteps, two angels come to him and make him sit and ask him: What did you use to say about this man, Muhammad ? He will say: I testify that he is Allah’s slave and His Apostle. Then it will be said to him, ‘Look at your place in the Hell-Fire. Allah has given you a place in Paradise instead of it. “The Prophet added, “The dead person will see both his places. But a non-believer or a hypocrite will say to the angels, ‘I do not know, but I used to say what the people used to say! It will be said to him, ‘Neither did you know nor did you take the guidance (by reciting the Quran).’ Then he will be hit with an iron hammer between his two ears, and he will cry and that cry will be heard by whatever approaches him except human beings and jinns.”

        Umm Salama reported: The Messenger of Allah came to Abu Salama (as he died). His eyes were fixedly open. He closed them, and then said: When the soul is taken away the sight follows it. Some of the people of his family wept and wailed. So he said: Do not supplicate for yourselves anything but good, for angels say “Amen” to what you say. He then said: O Allah, forgive Abu Salama, raise his degree among those who are rightly guided, grant him a successor in his descendants who remain. Forgive us and him, O Lord of the Universe, and make his grave spacious, and grant him light in it.

        Now what do you Say… My dear Frnd.

      • @prideofmuslimwomen : quoted from above

        “Then he will be hit with an iron hammer between his two ears, and he will cry and that cry will be heard by whatever approaches him except human beings and jinns.”
        –Seriously…ROLF

      • Dear Indian agnostic

        Indian agnostic says

        “There is consensus of all those whose positions we know from the people of knowledge that a non-Muslim (dhimmi) cannot be given any zakat.”

        Answers

        KIndly get this is in your mind, zakats were not given at that time only when people
        who were using violence against people of Islam. why are you making big issue out of it.
        its clearly understandable.

        Indian agnostic says

        as i said ealier, the sunnah of the prophet is not discarded as history by muslims.

        the prophet said to the muslims that grow beards and use your tongues to act against polytheists.

        and the muslims still grow their beard and trim their mustaches as a mark of protest against the polytheists

        Answers

        evidence please quote from authentic hadith.

        Indian agnostic says

        and muhammad is very clear that non-muslims must not be greeted first

        Answers

        Greetings(initiation or return) it was only history only for those who use to say death upon you in return kindly get this in your mind please. do not make big issues and preach
        hatred.

        Indian agnostic says

        Sunnah of the prophet is not be treated as history ..or else you would become a kafir like me !

        Ans. Where did you learn this form?

        Indian agnostic says

        I believe in seeking and upholding truth and discarding falsities with fearlessness and without bias.

        Answers

        I am fine if you believe in Vedas but do not instigate others in name of religion. You may be fearless but I have fear of Almighty.

        Indian agnostic says

        I love muslims but not whole of Islam and i don’t love muslims who relegate women to second grade citizens

        Answers

        If you love Muslims, learn to respect their religion,instead maligning it. Those does bad will always repent for their bad deeds that’s clear.

        I am a woman, i have never felt second grade citizen. I have always been given respect of daughter, sister, wife, mother & as woman.

        so why you feel that?

        Thank you

      • आर्यव्रतस्थ ask 72 Virgins in Heaven.

        Below is explained to 72 Virgins.

        http://www.islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/1414-virgins-in-heaven

        As usual, we should begin by understanding the meaning of the words from Arabic to English:
        Classical Arabic usage

        According to classical Arabic usage in the time when the Qur’an was recited by Muhammad:
        Hur حور is one word which is the plural of Hawraa’ حوراء which is a word that describes a woman having eyes with a marked contrast of white and black, also said of the eye intensely white and deep black.
        It is also the plural of Huriya حورية
        AlEin العين is another word which is the plural of Einaa’ عيناء meaning a woman with beautiful wide eyes.

        Hur’in is made of two words Hur as well as In. The word ‘Hur’ is the plural of both Ahwar (Masculine) and Hawra (Feminine) which literally translates as “white-eyed”, or persons distinguished by Hawar, signifying “intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lustrous black of the pupils.” (ref: Qamus ), hence ‘the purity’ (ref: Tafsir al’Tabari, and Tafsir al-Razi in 3:52).
        And as for the phrase, “In it is the plural of both ‘Ayan’ (Masculine) and ‘Ainao’ (Feminine)”, it was also used to refer to the beautiful eyes of the wild-cow whose eyes are blond. In general, this word implies ‘most beautiful eye’ irrespective of the person’s gender. Thus, it seems that the most appropriate English rendering of the compound word Hur’In might be: “Companions pure, most beautiful of eye, and it is applicable to both male and female.
        First of all, there are a few mistakes in what you said in your question. There are “males” mentioned to be in the Jennah. These are young males who are always smiling and shy-like and the best of attendants to those who achieve the Paradise. The “huri” are mentioned as “hurlayn” (two females).
        One translator has referred to these two (based on other verses and hadeeth) as: two “perpetual” virgins.
        Like the males, they are also shy-like and attentive to the people of Paradise. The fact they are perpetual and have never been touched by “jinn or men” in a sexual way, is proof enough this is not all about sexual relations.
        Second, the things in Jennah are not like anything here on earth. Whereas, nothing here on earth is perfect, EVERYTHING in Jennah is exactly perfect, and it is perfect for each individual. The food of Paradise is beyond description and the sounds cannot even be imagined. The things of this world would only be thought of as something much less and not comparable to the things of Paradise.

        Third, the goal of the Muslims in not to go to jennah (paradise) for girls or sex.

        Let’s consider the following –
        Qur’anic description: The houri have variously been described as being “restraining their glances (chaste)”, “modest gaze”, “wide and beautiful/lovely eyes”, “like pearls”, “spouse”, “companions of equal age”, “splendid” and much more besides.

        Other descriptions: Some descriptions are more superficial than others. For example, “non-menstruating/urinating/defecating and childfree or being able to have a short pregnancy lasting an hour”, “with bodies not affected by pregnancy or breast-feeding”, “60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall”, “7 cubits [3.2 meters] in width”, “transparent to the marrow of their bones”, “eternally young”, “hairless except the eyebrows and the head”, “pure”, “beautiful”, etc.

        Now let us come to the subject of the nature of the people of Jennah, inshallah. They are not like here. People of the dunyah are born into this world without being able to choose anything about the whole thing. People of Jennah can even choose which door they would like to enter by, in many cases. In this life we make choices, but don’t always get what we want. Paradise is the place where the inhabitants always get exactly what they want or better.

        Each time the people of the Paradise eat, it will be better than anything prior. The food will always be perfect, and the flavor excellent. There will not be any burping or choking, coughing, throwing up or gas problems from food. There will not be any food being digested and moving to the bowels or kidneys to be excerted as here on earth. Food is simple eaten, swallowed and then it comes out of the pores of the skin as a mist and then it returns back to its original form and shape. There is no need of eating to maintain health or to keep fit. This is completely different.
        The same is true of the other things of the body, because the body of the Paradise is not the body of this world. Everything is perfect. The women do not have monthly cycles, nor do they go to the bathroom or any of the things for relief as we know it here. This helps us to understand there would not be physical relations as we know them here. The evil thoughts and lust are not a part of the Paradise. Only pure and good things are there.
        For those people whose minds are engrossed in the filth and folly of this life, naturally they will try to compare what we know about the Jennah to their own sick, dirty and unfulfilled world. When they try to compare what they know to what Allah has in store for the people of Paradise, they will never comprehend even the smallest beauty there. Leave these people and their thinking and come to the correct thinking of the true believers in Allah.
        After all, the goal of every real believer in Allah, is not to find a hot babes in hot tubs. It is to be close to the other people of Paradise, those who have the same love for Almighty God and all the prophets, peace be upon all of them, and enjoy the peace, serenity and tranquility of the beauties no eye has ever seen, no ear has ever heard and no mind has ever imagined.
        The highest goal of all, for the true believer, is to be with the One most deserving of love, the One from Whom all love originates, the All-Loving “Al-Wadud” and The Only God – Allah Subhannah wa Ta’ala.
        Jazakallah khair for a good question, was salam alaykum,
        Yusuf Estes

        http://islamtomorrow.com/

        आर्यव्रतस्थ ask moon being split into two.

        Below is youtube videos.

        Moon Split (Moon Cracked) Miracle of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrJ9DH2_jhk

        Google Earth Proofs a Miracle of Prophet Muhammad

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siByuKxTqp0&feature=related

      • आर्यव्रतस्थ ask split moon, nasa answers

        http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/moon_worldbook.html

        Moon

        The moon’s surface shows striking contrasts of light and dark. The light areas are rugged highlands. The dark zones were partly flooded by lava when volcanoes erupted billions of years ago.

        The moon’s surface shows striking contrasts of light and dark. The light areas are rugged highlands. The dark zones were partly flooded by lava when volcanoes erupted billions of years ago. The lava froze to form smooth rock. Image credit: Lunar and Planetary Institute
        Moon is Earth’s only natural satellite and the only astronomical body other than Earth ever visited by human beings. The moon is the brightest object in the night sky but gives off no light of its own. Instead, it reflects light from the sun. Like Earth and the rest of the solar system, the moon is about 4.6 billion years old.

        The moon is much smaller than Earth. The moon’s average radius (distance from its center to its surface) is 1,079.6 miles (1,737.4 kilometers), about 27 percent of the radius of Earth.

        The moon is also much less massive than Earth. The moon has a mass (amount of matter) of 8.10 x 1019 tons (7.35 x 1019 metric tons). Its mass in metric tons would be written out as 735 followed by 17 zeroes. Earth is about 81 times that massive. The moon’s density (mass divided by volume) is about 3.34 grams per cubic centimeter, roughly 60 percent of Earth’s density.

        Because the moon has less mass than Earth, the force due to gravity at the lunar surface is only about 1/6 of that on Earth. Thus, a person standing on the moon would feel as if his or her weight had decreased by 5/6. And if that person dropped a rock, the rock would fall to the surface much more slowly than the same rock would fall to Earth.

        Despite the moon’s relatively weak gravitational force, the moon is close enough to Earth to produce tides in Earth’s waters. The average distance from the center of Earth to the center of the moon is 238,897 miles (384,467 kilometers). That distance is growing — but extremely slowly. The moon is moving away from Earth at a speed of about 1 1/2 inches (3.8 centimeters) per year.

        The distance to the moon is measured to an accuracy of 5 centimeters by a laser beam sent from Earth. The beam bounces off a laser reflector placed on the moon by astronauts, and returns to Earth.

        The distance to the moon is measured to an accuracy of 5 centimeters by a laser beam sent from Earth. The beam bounces off a laser reflector placed on the moon by astronauts, and returns to Earth. Image credit: World Book diagram by Bensen Studios
        The temperature at the lunar equator ranges from extremely low to extremely high — from about -280 degrees F (-173 degrees C) at night to +260 degrees F (+127 degrees C) in the daytime. In some deep craters near the moon’s poles, the temperature is always near -400 degrees F (-240 degrees C).

        The moon has no life of any kind. Compared with Earth, it has changed little over billions of years. On the moon, the sky is black — even during the day — and the stars are always visible.

        A person on Earth looking at the moon with the unaided eye can see light and dark areas on the lunar surface. The light areas are rugged, cratered highlands known as terrae (TEHR ee). The word terrae is Latin for lands. The highlands are the original crust of the moon, shattered and fragmented by the impact of meteoroids, asteroids, and comets. Many craters in the terrae exceed 25 miles (40 kilometers) in diameter. The largest is the South Pole-Aitken Basin, which is 1,550 miles (2,500 kilometers) in diameter.

        The dark areas on the moon are known as maria (MAHR ee uh). The word maria is Latin for seas; its singular is mare (MAHR ee). The term comes from the smoothness of the dark areas and their resemblance to bodies of water. The maria are cratered landscapes that were partly flooded by lava when volcanoes erupted. The lava then froze, forming rock. Since that time, meteoroid impacts have created craters in the maria.

        The moon has no substantial atmosphere, but small amounts of certain gases are present above the lunar surface. People sometimes refer to those gases as the lunar atmosphere. This “atmosphere” can also be called an exosphere, defined as a tenuous (low-density) zone of particles surrounding an airless body. Mercury and some asteroids also have an exosphere.

        In 1959, scientists began to explore the moon with robot spacecraft. In that year, the Soviet Union sent a spacecraft called Luna 3 around the side of the moon that faces away from Earth. Luna 3 took the first photographs of that side of the moon. The word luna is Latin for moon.

        The first people on the moon were U.S. astronauts Neil A. Armstrong, who took this picture, and Buzz Aldrin, who is pictured next to a seismograph. A television camera and a United States flag are in the background.

        The first people on the moon were U.S. astronauts Neil A. Armstrong, who took this picture, and Buzz Aldrin, who is pictured next to a seismograph. A television camera and a United States flag are in the background. Their lunar module, Eagle, stands at the right. Image credit: NASA
        On July 20, 1969, the U.S. Apollo 11 lunar module landed on the moon in the first of six Apollo landings. Astronaut Neil A. Armstrong became the first human being to set foot on the moon.

        In the 1990’s, two U.S. robot space probes, Clementine and Lunar Prospector, detected evidence of frozen water at both of the moon’s poles. The ice came from comets that hit the moon over the last 2 billion to 3 billion years. The ice apparently has lasted in areas that are always in the shadows of crater rims. Because the ice is in the shade, where the temperature is about -400 degrees F (-240 degrees C), it has not melted and evaporated.

        This article discusses Moon (The movements of the moon) (Origin and evolution of the moon) (The exosphere of the moon) (Surface features of the moon) (The interior of the moon) (History of moon study).

        The movements of the moon

        The moon moves in a variety of ways. For example, it rotates on its axis, an imaginary line that connects its poles. The moon also orbits Earth. Different amounts of the moon’s lighted side become visible in phases because of the moon’s orbit around Earth. During events called eclipses, the moon is positioned in line with Earth and the sun. A slight motion called libration enables us to see about 59 percent of the moon’s surface at different times.

        Rotation and orbit

        The moon rotates on its axis once every 29 1/2 days. That is the period from one sunrise to the next, as seen from the lunar surface, and so it is known as a lunar day. By contrast, Earth takes only 24 hours for one rotation.

        The moon’s axis of rotation, like that of Earth, is tilted. Astronomers measure axial tilt relative to a line perpendicular to the ecliptic plane, an imaginary surface through Earth’s orbit around the sun. The tilt of Earth’s axis is about 23.5 degrees from the perpendicular and accounts for the seasons on Earth. But the tilt of the moon’s axis is only about 1.5 degrees, so the moon has no seasons.

        Another result of the smallness of the moon’s tilt is that certain large peaks near the poles are always in sunlight. In addition, the floors of some craters — particularly near the south pole — are always in shadow.

        The moon completes one orbit of Earth with respect to the stars about every 27 1/3 days, a period known as a sidereal month. But the moon revolves around Earth once with respect to the sun in about 29 1/2 days, a period known as a synodic month. A sidereal month is slightly shorter than a synodic month because, as the moon revolves around Earth, Earth is revolving around the sun. The moon needs some extra time to “catch up” with Earth. If the moon started on its orbit from a spot between Earth and the sun, it would return to almost the same place in about 29 1/2 days.

        A synodic month equals a lunar day. As a result, the moon shows the same hemisphere — the near side — to Earth at all times. The other hemisphere — the far side — is always turned away from Earth.

        People sometimes mistakenly use the term dark side to refer to the far side. The moon does have a dark side — it is the hemisphere that is turned away from the sun. The location of the dark side changes constantly, moving with the terminator, the dividing line between sunlight and dark.

        The lunar orbit, like the orbit of Earth, is shaped like a slightly flattened circle. The distance between the center of Earth and the moon’s center varies throughout each orbit. At perigee (PEHR uh jee), when the moon is closest to Earth, that distance is 225,740 miles (363,300 kilometers). At apogee (AP uh jee), the farthest position, the distance is 251,970 miles (405,500 kilometers). The moon’s orbit is elliptical (oval-shaped).

        Phases

        As the moon orbits Earth, an observer on Earth can see the moon appear to change shape. It seems to change from a crescent to a circle and back again. The shape looks different from one day to the next because the observer sees different parts of the moon’s sunlit surface as the moon orbits Earth. The different appearances are known as the phases of the moon. The moon goes through a complete cycle of phases in a synodic month.

        The moon has four phases: (1) new moon, (2) first quarter, (3) full moon, and (4) last quarter. When the moon is between the sun and Earth, its sunlit side is turned away from Earth. Astronomers call this darkened phase a new moon.

        The next night after a new moon, a thin crescent of light appears along the moon’s eastern edge. The remaining portion of the moon that faces Earth is faintly visible because of earthshine, sunlight reflected from Earth to the moon. Each night, an observer on Earth can see more of the sunlit side as the terminator, the line between sunlight and dark, moves westward. After about seven days, the observer can see half a full moon, commonly called a half moon. This phase is known as the first quarter because it occurs one quarter of the way through the synodic month. About seven days later, the moon is on the side of Earth opposite the sun. The entire sunlit side of the moon is now visible. This phase is called a full moon.

        About seven days after a full moon, the observer again sees a half moon. This phase is the last quarter, or third quarter. After another seven days, the moon is between Earth and the sun, and another new moon occurs.

        As the moon changes from new moon to full moon, and more and more of it becomes visible, it is said to be waxing. As it changes from full moon to new moon, and less and less of it can be seen, it is waning. When the moon appears smaller than a half moon, it is called crescent. When it looks larger than a half moon, but is not yet a full moon, it is called gibbous (GIHB uhs).

        Like the sun, the moon rises in the east and sets in the west. As the moon progresses through its phases, it rises and sets at different times. In the new moon phase, it rises with the sun and travels close to the sun across the sky. Each successive day, the moon rises an average of about 50 minutes later.

        Eclipses occur when Earth, the sun, and the moon are in a straight line, or nearly so. A lunar eclipse occurs when Earth gets directly — or almost directly — between the sun and the moon, and Earth’s shadow falls on the moon. A lunar eclipse can occur only during a full moon. A solar eclipse occurs when the moon gets directly — or almost directly — between the sun and Earth, and the moon’s shadow falls on Earth. A solar eclipse can occur only during a new moon.

        During one part of each lunar orbit, Earth is between the sun and the moon; and, during another part of the orbit, the moon is between the sun and Earth. But in most cases, the astronomical bodies are not aligned directly enough to cause an eclipse. Instead, Earth casts its shadow into space above or below the moon, or the moon casts its shadow into space above or below Earth. The shadows extend into space in that way because the moon’s orbit is tilted about 5 degrees relative to Earth’s orbit around the sun.

        Libration

        People on Earth can sometimes see a small part of the far side of the moon. That part is visible because of lunar libration, a slight rotation of the moon as viewed from Earth. There are three kinds of libration: (1) libration in longitude, (2) diurnal (daily) libration, and (3) libration in latitude. Over time, viewers can see more than 50 percent of the moon’s surface. Because of libration, about 59 percent of the lunar surface is visible from Earth.

        Libration in longitude occurs because the moon’s orbit is elliptical. As the moon orbits Earth, its speed varies according to a law discovered in the 1600’s by the German astronomer Johannes Kepler. When the moon is relatively close to Earth, the moon travels more rapidly than its average speed. When the moon is relatively far from Earth, the moon travels more slowly than average. But the moon always rotates about its own axis at the same rate. So when the moon is traveling more rapidly than average, its rotation is too slow to keep all of the near side facing Earth. And when the moon is traveling more slowly than average, its rotation is too rapid to keep all of the near side facing Earth.

        Diurnal libration enables an observer on Earth to see around one edge of the moon, then the other, during a single night. The libration occurs because Earth’s rotation changes the observer’s viewpoint by a distance equal to the diameter of Earth.

        Diurnal libration enables an observer on Earth to see around one edge of the moon, then the other, during a single night. The libration occurs because Earth’s rotation changes the observer’s viewpoint by a distance equal to the diameter of Earth. Image credit: World Book illustration
        Diurnal libration is caused by a daily change in the position of an observer on Earth relative to the moon. Consider an observer who is at Earth’s equator when the moon is full. As Earth rotates from west to east, the observer first sees the moon when it rises at the eastern horizon and last sees it when it sets at the western horizon. During this time, the observer’s viewpoint moves about 7,900 miles (12,700 kilometers) — the diameter of Earth — relative to the moon. As a result, the moon appears to rotate slightly to the west.

        While the moon is rising in the east and climbing to its highest point in the sky, the observer can see around the western edge of the near side. As the moon descends to the western horizon, the observer can see around the eastern edge of the near side.

        Libration in latitude occurs because the moon’s axis of rotation is tilted about 6 1/2 degrees relative to a line perpendicular to the moon’s orbit around Earth. Thus, during each lunar orbit, the moon’s north pole tilts first toward Earth, then away from Earth. When the lunar north pole is tilted toward Earth, people on Earth can see farther than normal along the top of the moon. When that pole is tilted away from Earth, people on Earth can see farther than normal along the bottom of the moon.

        Origin and evolution of the moon

        Scientists believe that the moon formed as a result of a collision known as the Giant Impact or the “Big Whack.” According to this idea, Earth collided with a planet-sized object 4.6 billion years ago. As a result of the impact, a cloud of vaporized rock shot off Earth’s surface and went into orbit around Earth. The cloud cooled and condensed into a ring of small, solid bodies, which then gathered together, forming the moon.

        The rapid joining together of the small bodies released much energy as heat. Consequently, the moon melted, creating an “ocean” of magma (melted rock).

        The magma ocean slowly cooled and solidified. As it cooled, dense, iron-rich materials sank deep into the moon. Those materials also cooled and solidified, forming the mantle, the layer of rock beneath the crust.

        As the crust formed, asteroids bombarded it heavily, shattering and churning it. The largest impacts may have stripped off the entire crust. Some collisions were so powerful that they almost split the moon into pieces. One such collision created the South Pole-Aitken Basin, one of the largest known impact craters in the solar system.

        A basalt rock that astronauts brought to Earth from the moon formed from lava that erupted from a lunar volcano. Escaping gases created the holes before the lava solidified into rock.

        A basalt rock that astronauts brought to Earth from the moon formed from lava that erupted from a lunar volcano. Escaping gases created the holes before the lava solidified into rock. Image credit: Lunar and Planetary Institute
        About 4 billion to 3 billion years ago, melting occurred in the mantle, probably caused by radioactive elements deep in the moon’s interior. The resulting magma erupted as dark, iron-rich lava, partly flooding the heavily cratered surface. The lava cooled and solidified into rocks known as basalts (buh SAWLTS).

        Small eruptions may have continued until as recently as 1 billion years ago. Since that time, only an occasional impact by an asteroid or comet has modified the surface. Because the moon has no atmosphere to burn up meteoroids, the bombardment continues to this day. However, it has become much less intense.

        Impacts of large objects can create craters. Impacts of micrometeoroids (tiny meteoroids) grind the surface rocks into a fine, dusty powder known as the regolith (REHG uh lihth). Regolith overlies all the bedrock on the moon. Because regolith forms as a result of exposure to space, the longer a rock is exposed, the thicker the regolith that forms on it.

        The exosphere of the moon

        The lunar exosphere — that is, the materials surrounding the moon that make up the lunar “atmosphere” — consists mainly of gases that arrive as the solar wind. The solar wind is a continuous flow of gases from the sun — mostly hydrogen and helium, along with some neon and argon.

        The remainder of the gases in the exosphere form on the moon. A continual “rain” of micrometeoroids heats lunar rocks, melting and vaporizing their surface. The most common atoms in the vapor are atoms of sodium and potassium. Those elements are present in tiny amounts — only a few hundred atoms of each per cubic centimeter of exosphere. In addition to vapors produced by impacts, the moon also releases some gases from its interior.

        Most gases of the exosphere concentrate about halfway between the equator and the poles, and they are most plentiful just before sunrise. The solar wind continuously sweeps vapor into space, but the vapor is continuously replaced.

        During the night, the pressure of gases at the lunar surface is about 3.9 x 10-14 pound per square inch (2.7 x 10-10 pascal). That is a stronger vacuum than laboratories on Earth can usually achieve. The exosphere is so tenuous — that is, so low in density — that the rocket exhaust released during each Apollo landing temporarily doubled the total mass of the entire exosphere.

        The surface of the moon is covered with bowl-shaped holes called craters, shallow depressions called basins, and broad, flat plains known as maria. A powdery dust called the regolith overlies much of the surface of the moon.

        Craters

        Euler Crater has central peaks and slumped walls. The peaks almost certainly formed quickly after the impact that produced the crater compressed the ground. The ground rebounded upward, forming the peaks.

        Euler Crater has central peaks and slumped walls. The peaks almost certainly formed quickly after the impact that produced the crater compressed the ground. The ground rebounded upward, forming the peaks. The crater walls are slumped because the original walls were too steep to withstand the force of gravity. Material fell inward, away from the walls. This crater, in Mare Imbrium (Sea of Rains), is about 17 1/2 miles (28 kilometers) across. Image credit: Lunar and Planetary Institute
        The vast majority of the moon’s craters are formed by the impact of meteoroids, asteroids, and comets. Craters on the moon are named for famous scientists. For example, Copernicus Crater is named for Nicolaus Copernicus, a Polish astronomer who realized in the 1500’s that the planets move about the sun. Archimedes Crater is named for the Greek mathematician Archimedes, who made many mathematical discoveries in the 200’s B.C.

        The shape of craters varies with their size. Small craters with diameters of less than 6 miles (10 kilometers) have relatively simple bowl shapes. Slightly larger craters cannot maintain a bowl shape because the crater wall is too steep. Material falls inward from the wall to the floor. As a result, the walls become scalloped and the floor becomes flat.

        Still larger craters have terraced walls and central peaks. Terraces inside the rim descend like stairsteps to the floor. The same process that creates wall scalloping is responsible for terraces. The central peaks almost certainly form as did the central peaks of impact craters on Earth. Studies of the peaks on Earth show that they result from a deformation of the ground. The impact compresses the ground, which then rebounds, creating the peaks. Material in the central peaks of lunar craters may come from depths as great as 12 miles (19 kilometers).

        Surrounding the craters is rough, mountainous material — crushed and broken rocks that were ripped out of the crater cavity by shock pressure. This material, called the crater ejecta blanket, can extend about 60 miles (100 kilometers) from the crater.

        Farther out are patches of debris and, in many cases, irregular secondary craters, also known as secondaries. Those craters come in a range of shapes and sizes, and they are often clustered in groups or aligned in rows. Secondaries form when material thrown out of the primary (original) crater strikes the surface. This material consists of large blocks, clumps of loosely joined rocks, and fine sprays of ground-up rock. The material may travel thousands of miles or kilometers.

        Crater rays are light, wispy deposits of powder that can extend thousands of miles or kilometers from the crater. Rays slowly vanish as micrometeoroid bombardment mixes the powder into the upper surface layer. Thus, craters that still have visible rays must be among the youngest craters on the moon.

        Craters larger than about 120 miles (200 kilometers) across tend to have central mountains. Some of them also have inner rings of peaks, in addition to the central peak. The appearance of a ring signals the next major transition in crater shape — from crater to basin.

        Basins are craters that are 190 miles (300 kilometers) or more across. The smaller basins have only a single inner ring of peaks, but the larger ones typically have multiple rings. The rings are concentric — that is, they all have the same center, like the rings of a dartboard. The spectacular, multiple-ringed basin called the Eastern Sea (Mare Orientale) is almost 600 miles (1,000 kilometers) across. Other basins can be more than 1,200 miles (2,000 kilometers) in diameter — as large as the entire western United States.

        Basins occur equally on the near side and far side. Most basins have little or no fill of basalt, particularly those on the far side. The difference in filling may be related to variations in the thickness of the crust. The far side has a thicker crust, so it is more difficult for molten rock to reach the surface there.

        In the highlands, the overlying ejecta blankets of the basins make up most of the upper few miles or kilometers of material. Much of this material is a large, thick layer of shattered and crushed rock known as breccia (BREHCH ee uh). Scientists can learn about the original crust by studying tiny fragments of breccia.

        Maria, the dark areas on the surface of the moon, make up about 16 percent of the surface area. Some maria are named in Latin for weather terms — for example, Mare Imbrium (Sea of Rains) and Mare Nubium (Sea of Clouds). Others are named for states of mind, as in Mare Serenitatus (Sea of Serenity) and Mare Tranquillitatis (Sea of Tranquility).

        Landforms on the maria tend to be smaller than those of the highlands. The small size of mare features relates to the scale of the processes that formed them — volcanic eruptions and crustal deformation, rather than large impacts. The chief landforms on the maria include wrinkle ridges and rilles and other volcanic features.

        Wrinkle ridges are blisterlike humps that wind across the surface of almost all maria. The ridges are actually broad folds in the rocks, created by compression. Many wrinkle ridges are roughly circular, aligned with small peaks that stick up through the maria and outlining interior rings. Circular ridge systems also outline buried features, such as rims of craters that existed before the maria formed.

        A lunar rover is parked near the edge of Hadley Rille, a long channel probably formed by lava 4 billion to 3 billion years ago. The slopes in the background are part of a formation called the Swann Hills.

        A lunar rover is parked near the edge of Hadley Rille, a long channel probably formed by lava 4 billion to 3 billion years ago. The slopes in the background are part of a formation called the Swann Hills. This photo was taken during the Apollo 15 mission in 1971. Astronaut David R. Scott is reaching under a seat to get a camera. Image credit: NASA
        Rilles are snakelike depressions that wind across many areas of the maria. Scientists formerly thought the rilles might be ancient riverbeds. However, they now suspect that the rilles are channels formed by running lava. One piece of evidence favoring this view is the dryness of rock samples brought to Earth by Apollo astronauts; the samples have almost no water in their molecular structure. In addition, detailed photographs show that the rilles are shaped somewhat like channels created by flowing lava on Earth.

        Volcanic features

        Scattered throughout the maria are a variety of other features formed by volcanic eruptions. Within Mare Imbrium, scarps (lines of cliffs) wind their way across the surface. The scarps are lava flow fronts, places where lava solidified, enabling lava that was still molten to pile up behind them. The presence of the scarps is one piece of evidence indicating that the maria consist of solidified basaltic lava.

        Small hills and domes with pits on top are probably little volcanoes. Both dome-shaped and cone-shaped volcanoes cluster together in many places, as on Earth. One of the largest concentrations of cones on the moon is the Marius Hills complex in Oceanus Procellarum (Ocean of Storms). Within this complex are numerous wrinkle ridges and rilles, and more than 50 volcanoes.

        Large areas of maria and terrae are covered by dark material known as dark mantle deposits. Evidence collected by the Apollo missions confirmed that dark mantling is volcanic ash.

        Much smaller dark mantles are associated with small craters that lie on the fractured floors of large craters. Those mantles may be cinder cones — low, broad, cone-shaped hills formed by explosive volcanic eruptions.

        The interior of the moon

        The moon, like Earth, has three interior zones — crust, mantle, and core. However, the composition, structure, and origin of the zones on the moon are much different from those on Earth.

        Most of what scientists know about the interior of Earth and the moon has been learned by studying seismic events — earthquakes and moonquakes, respectively. The data on moonquakes come from scientific equipment set up by Apollo astronauts from 1969 to 1972.

        Crust

        The average thickness of the lunar crust is about 43 miles (70 kilometers), compared with about 6 miles (10 kilometers) for Earth’s crust. The outermost part of the moon’s crust is broken, fractured, and jumbled as a result of the large impacts it has endured. This shattered zone gives way to intact material below a depth of about 6 miles. The bottom of the crust is defined by an abrupt increase in rock density at a depth of about 37 miles (60 kilometers) on the near side and about 50 miles (80 kilometers) on the far side.

        Mantle

        The mantle of the moon consists of dense rocks that are rich in iron and magnesium. The mantle formed during the period of global melting. Low-density minerals floated to the outer layers of the moon, while dense minerals sank deeper into it.

        Later, the mantle partly melted due to a build-up of heat in the deep interior. The source of the heat was probably the decay (breakup) of uranium and other radioactive elements. This melting produced basaltic magmas — bodies of molten rock. The magmas later made their way to the surface and erupted as the mare lavas and ashes. Although mare volcanism occurred for more than 1 billion years — from at least 4 billion years to fewer than 3 billion years ago — much less than 1 percent of the volume of the mantle ever remelted.

        Core

        Data gathered by Lunar Prospector confirmed that the moon has a core and enabled scientists to estimate its size. The core has a radius of only about 250 miles (400 kilometers). By contrast, the radius of Earth’s core is about 2,200 miles (3,500 kilometers).

        The lunar core has less than 1 percent of the mass of the moon. Scientists suspect that the core consists mostly of iron, and it may also contain large amounts of sulfur and other elements.

        Earth’s core is made mostly of molten iron and nickel. This rapidly rotating molten core is responsible for Earth’s magnetic field. A magnetic field is an influence that a magnetic object creates in the region around it. If the core of a planet or a satellite is molten, motion within the core caused by the rotation of the planet or satellite makes the core magnetic. But the small, partly molten core of the moon cannot generate a global magnetic field. However, small regions on the lunar surface are magnetic. Scientists are not sure how these regions acquired magnetism. Perhaps the moon once had a larger, more molten core.

        There is evidence that the lunar interior formerly contained gas, and that some gas may still be there. Basalt from the moon contains holes called vesicles that are created during a volcanic eruption. On Earth, gas that is dissolved in magma comes out of solution during an eruption, much as carbon dioxide comes out of a carbonated beverage when you shake the drink container. The presence of vesicles in lunar basalt indicates that the deep interior contained gases, probably carbon monoxide or gaseous sulfur. The existence of volcanic ash is further evidence of interior gas; on Earth, volcanic eruptions are largely driven by gas.

        History of moon study

        Ancient ideas

        Some ancient peoples believed that the moon was a rotating bowl of fire. Others thought it was a mirror that reflected Earth’s lands and seas. But philosophers in ancient Greece understood that the moon is a sphere in orbit around Earth. They also knew that moonlight is reflected sunlight.

        Some Greek philosophers believed that the moon was a world much like Earth. In about A.D. 100, Plutarch even suggested that people lived on the moon. The Greeks also apparently believed that the dark areas of the moon were seas, while the bright regions were land.

        In about A.D. 150, Ptolemy, a Greek astronomer who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, said that the moon was Earth’s nearest neighbor in space. He thought that both the moon and the sun orbited Earth. Ptolemy’s views survived for more than 1,300 years. But by the early 1500’s, the Polish astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus had developed the correct view — Earth and the other planets revolve about the sun, and the moon orbits Earth.

        Early observations with telescopes

        The Italian astronomer and physicist Galileo wrote the first scientific description of the moon based on observations with a telescope. In 1609, Galileo described a rough, mountainous surface. This description was quite different from what was commonly believed — that the moon was smooth. Galileo noted that the light regions were rough and hilly and the dark regions were smoother plains.

        The presence of high mountains on the moon fascinated Galileo. His detailed description of a large crater in the central highlands — probably Albategnius — began 350 years of controversy and debate about the origin of the “holes” on the moon.

        Other astronomers of the 1600’s mapped and cataloged every surface feature they could see. Increasingly powerful telescopes led to more detailed records. In 1645, the Dutch engineer and astronomer Michael Florent van Langren, also known as Langrenus, published a map that gave names to the surface features of the moon, mostly its craters. A map drawn by the Bohemian-born Italian astronomer Anton M. S. de Rheita in 1645 correctly depicted the bright ray systems of the craters Tycho and Copernicus. Another effort, by the Polish astronomer Johannes Hevelius in 1647, included the moon’s libration zones.

        By 1651, two Jesuit scholars from Italy, the astronomer Giovanni Battista Riccioli and the mathematician and physicist Francesco M. Grimaldi, had completed a map of the moon. That map established the naming system for lunar features that is still in use.

        Determining the origin of craters

        Until the late 1800’s, most astronomers thought that volcanism formed the craters of the moon. However, in the 1870’s, the English astronomer Richard A. Proctor proposed correctly that the craters result from the collision of solid objects with the moon. But at first, few scientists accepted Proctor’s proposal. Most astronomers thought that the moon’s craters must be volcanic in origin because no one had yet described a crater on Earth as an impact crater, but scientists had found dozens of obviously volcanic craters.

        In 1892, the American geologist Grove Karl Gilbert argued that most lunar craters were impact craters. He based his arguments on the large size of some of the craters. Those included the basins, which he was the first to recognize as huge craters. Gilbert also noted that lunar craters have only the most general resemblance to calderas (large volcanic craters) on Earth. Both lunar craters and calderas are large circular pits, but their structural details do not resemble each other in any way.

        In addition, Gilbert created small craters experimentally. He studied what happened when he dropped clay balls and shot bullets into clay and sand targets.

        Gilbert was the first to recognize that the circular Mare Imbrium was the site of a gigantic impact. By examining photographs, Gilbert also determined which nearby craters formed before and after that event. For example, a crater that is partially covered by ejecta from the Imbrium impact formed before the impact. A crater within the mare formed after the impact.

        Describing lunar evolution

        Gilbert suggested that scientists could determine the relative age of surface features by studying the ejecta of the Imbrium impact. That suggestion was the key to unraveling the history of the moon. Gilbert recognized that the moon is a complex body that was built up by innumerable impacts over a long period.

        In his book The Face of the Moon (1949), the American astronomer and physicist Ralph B. Baldwin further described lunar evolution. He noted the similarity in form between craters on the moon and bomb craters created during World War II (1939-1945) and concluded that lunar craters form by impact.

        Baldwin did not say that every lunar feature originated with an impact. He stated correctly that the maria are solidified flows of basalt lava, similar to flood lava plateaus on Earth. Finally, independently of Gilbert, he concluded that all circular maria are actually huge impact craters that later filled with lava.

        In the 1950’s, the American chemist Harold C. Urey offered a contrasting view of lunar history. Urey said that, because the moon appears to be cold and rigid, it has always been so. He then stated — correctly — that craters are of impact origin. However, he concluded falsely that the maria are blankets of debris scattered by the impacts that created the basins. And he was mistaken in concluding that the moon never melted to any significant extent. Urey had won the 1934 Nobel Prize in chemistry and had an outstanding scientific reputation, so many people took his views seriously. Urey strongly favored making the moon a focus of scientific study. Although some of his ideas were mistaken, his support of moon study was a major factor in making the moon an early goal of the U.S. space program.

        In 1961, the U.S. geologist Eugene M. Shoemaker founded the Branch of Astrogeology of the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS). Astrogeology is the study of celestial objects other than Earth. Shoemaker showed that the moon’s surface could be studied from a geological perspective by recognizing a sequence of relative ages of rock units near the crater Copernicus on the near side. Shoemaker also studied the Meteor Crater in Arizona and documented the impact origin of this feature. In preparation for the Apollo missions to the moon, the USGS began to map the geology of the moon using telescopes and pictures. This work gave scientists their basic understanding of lunar evolution.

        Apollo missions

        Beginning in 1959, the Soviet Union and the United States sent a series of robot spacecraft to examine the moon in detail. Their ultimate goal was to land people safely on the moon. The United States finally reached that goal in 1969 with the landing of the Apollo 11 lunar module. The United States conducted six more Apollo missions, including five landings. The last of those was Apollo 17, in December 1972.

        The Apollo missions revolutionized the understanding of the moon. Much of the knowledge gained about the moon also applies to Earth and the other inner planets — Mercury, Venus, and Mars. Scientists learned, for example, that impact is a fundamental geological process operating on the planets and their satellites.

        After the Apollo missions, the Soviets sent four Luna robot craft to the moon. The last, Luna 24, returned samples of lunar soil to Earth in August 1976.

        Recent exploration

        The Clementine orbiter used radar signals to find evidence of a large deposit of frozen water on the moon.

        The Clementine orbiter used radar signals to find evidence of a large deposit of frozen water on the moon. The orbiter sent radar signals to various target points on the lunar surface. The targets reflected some of the signals to Earth, where they were received by large antennas and analyzed. Image credit: Lunar and Planetary Institute
        No more spacecraft went to the moon until January 1994, when the United States sent the orbiter Clementine. From February to May of that year, Clementine’s four cameras took more than 2 million pictures of the moon. A laser device measured the height and depth of mountains, craters, and other features. Radar signals that Clementine bounced off the moon provided evidence of a large deposit of frozen water. The ice appeared to be inside craters at the south pole.

        The U.S. probe Lunar Prospector orbited the moon from January 1998 to July 1999. The craft mapped the concentrations of chemical elements in the moon, surveyed the moon’s magnetic fields, and found strong evidence of ice at both poles. Small particles of ice are apparently part of the regolith at the poles.

        The SMART-1 spacecraft, launched by the European Space Agency in 2003, went into orbit around the moon in 2004. The craft’s instruments were designed to investigate the moon’s origin and conduct a detailed survey of the chemical elements on the lunar surface.

        Contributor: Paul D. Spudis, Ph.D., Deputy Director and Staff Scientist, Lunar and Planetary Institute.

        How to cite this article: To cite this article, World Book recommends the following format: Spudis, Paul D. “Moon.” World Book Online Reference Center. 2004. World Book, Inc. (http://www.worldbookonline.com/wb/Article?id=ar370060.)

      • @saythankyou : Hah…dont know why Muslims refer to Some explanations rather than the quran itslef.

        The number of hursis is 2?
        Why would quran say 55:74 that no man or jinn would have done “Tamth” before with them
        what is the point of mentioning that.. to the humans..!
        and BTW how could a Man do Tamth with someone who is not on earth.. and how does jinn reach jannah? (Tamth means : opening Hymen with Sexual intercourse, guess pearl eyed boys also have hymens in islamic jannah!!)

        if they were only waiters(though it is no where in quran, and we should stick to the word of God) what is the significance of mentioning Tamth?

        Regarding the Moon Split, if PBUH had to perform a miracle why did he go up to the moon , he could have changed the desert lands into lush green vegetation and give his followers a taste of jannah here itself.

        and please give your own arguments rather than some mullah’s
        the below
        “Other descriptions: Some descriptions are more superficial than others. For example, “non-menstruating/urinating/defecating and childfree or being able to have a short pregnancy lasting an hour”, “with bodies not affected by pregnancy or breast-feeding”, “60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall”, “7 cubits [3.2 meters] in width”, “transparent to the marrow of their bones”, “eternally young”, “hairless except the eyebrows and the head”, “pure”, “beautiful”, etc.”

        is even too absurd to answer.. its a description of a sex toy without any implications…

      • @Bro IA, its just so sad.. what a thinking human can become.. (after coming under the influence of Muslims and quran)
        its really sad…..
        sometimes i seriously wonder, is it the fear of life after death or the “pralobhan”(whats the English word 🙂 am too sleepy) of jannah life

      • आर्यव्रतस्थ bro

        correct! and it’s sad indeed

        actually ,.both the strategies are used by islam .Hell instills a fear psychosis and Heaven entices/lures the muslims to eternal carnal delights after death.

        right from their childhood they are forced to believe in these fantasies and as a result they never get to evolve spiritually..their spiritual growth is forever sealed 🙁

        and this is the real danger of abrahmic faiths .They do not let spirituality and morality grow from within (where it actually should) ..but they force the behavior of their so called prophets and books upon their followers

        as a result , the conduct of their prophets and the guidance of their books become their standards of morality..however despicable they may be 🙁

        that’s why we see people defending their prophets on indefensible points

        you ask them ..does sleeping with your daughter in law behoove a prophet ? and they’d blindly defend this obviously obnoxious behavior with all kind of silly arguments

        not because they don;t have minds ..but because they have been taught that whatever their prophet did was the best example for all mankind 🙁

        rationality, commonsense , logic , facts ..nothing seems to bring these poor souls back to humanity ..their moral compass is forever twisted

        that’s really sad ..specially looking from 21st century eyes

      • very true,

        When someone does a job five times a day, from childhood untill death, then he/she will defend it from all sides and at all cost.

        No question of Ifs and buts.

        Actually this seems to be a well laid out fool-proof strategy. First subjugate by any means, then force them to follow the doctrine strictly for at least a generation, and then forget about it. The next generation will follow it all by themselves and will defend it as well.

      • Brother Questions,

        The likes of Ajmal Qasab and Afzal Guru enter your house spraying bullets..
        What will you do ? Maar Daal or Swaagat Kar !

      • Answers says:
        November 23, 2010 at 1:12 PM

        ” Brother Questions,

        The likes of Ajmal Qasab and Afzal Guru enter your house spraying bullets..
        What will you do ? Maar Daal or Swaagat Kar !”

        Questions

        I am talking @ Vedas,

        what happen that it was ordered to slay kindly share do not divert me.

        http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/athrvaveda/atharvaveda.htm

        There is another verse

        Which says to destroy man & woman who are bad.

        http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/atharvaveda_v2/atharvaveda.htm

        please stick to topic and share from Vedas do not relate about current affairs.

        Thank you

      • Brother Questions,

        I don’t understand why is it so difficult for you to understand a simply analogy :

        Vedas talk about Peace, Humanity and brotherhood amongst all human beings. You can summarise it as Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam – One world one family.

        Now, the Islamists like Ajamal Qasab and Afzal Guru think the other way as their deeds exemplify.

        Hope, now you are in a position to answer my question wheather – Maar Daal or Swaagat Kar !

      • questions
        Where did we say that “Mar Daal” is wrong? But we say “Kisko maar daal aur kisko nahi”, should be judged on the basis of deeds and not beliefs! Problem with Jihadis is that they want to kill everyone who does not believe in their Laashareek Allah with which Muhammad must be associated! And for us, such Jehadis, who kill others for their beliefs irrespective of their deeds deserve “Maar daal”! This is what Vedas teach.

        For us, a robber deserves “Maar daal” unlike you, who respects the robbers who give the fifth share of booty to Allah and make their black money halaal! Also for us differences in belief are welcomed and it is considered as opportunity to learn from the healthy discussions but for you, difference in belief is enough for “Maar daal”!

        So understand this “Maar daal” of Vedas in actual sense and come back to your ancestral home, Vedas.

      • Vajra says:
        November 23, 2010 at 2:24 PM

        “questions
        Where did we say that “Mar Daal” is wrong? But we say “Kisko maar daal aur kisko nahi”, should be judged on the basis of deeds and not beliefs! Problem with Jihadis is that they want to kill everyone who does not believe in their Laashareek Allah with which Muhammad must be associated! And for us, such Jehadis, who kill others for their beliefs irrespective of their deeds deserve “Maar daal”! This is what Vedas teach.

        For us, a robber deserves “Maar daal” unlike you, who respects the robbers who give the fifth share of booty to Allah and make their black money halaal! Also for us differences in belief are welcomed and it is considered as opportunity to learn from the healthy discussions but for you, difference in belief is enough for “Maar daal”!

        So understand this “Maar daal” of Vedas in actual sense and come back to your ancestral home, Vedas.”

        I have enough knowledge on all other religion including Islam, so leave that blunt comments at one side for a moment, I am interested to get facts of Vedas, from Vedas not from other religion, as I am not clear about Vedic religion. i need to clarify from Vedas followers like you.

        Q1. So you agree that robbers are to be slay as punishment.

        Yes or No

        There is also link which you have shared, I have got this

        some verses it is instructed to King to destroy(nash) bad men & women.

        Q2. Who is this King, Vedas referring to? Why destroy them?

      • Questions to Answers reply

        Answers says:
        November 23, 2010 at 2:02 PM

        Brother Questions,

        I don’t understand why is it so difficult for you to understand a simply analogy :

        Vedas talk about Peace, Humanity and brotherhood amongst all human beings. You can summarise it as Vasudhaiv Kutumbakam – One world one family.

        Now, the Islamists like Ajamal Qasab and Afzal Guru think the other way as their deeds exemplify.

        Hope, now you are in a position to answer my question wheather – Maar Daal or Swaagat Kar !

        Well the analog can be made according to circumstances, you do not
        need to preach Vedas on what need to be done. A logical mind person can act on its own.

        it is so sad you do not know ur on Vedas.

      • Namaste questions
        Of course Brother, we are here to discuss Vedas. And please clarify your beliefs for fair discussion. Anyway, here are the replies

        1. Yes we agree that robbers are to be punished. But in the same breath I must say that robber is the one who give sufferings to others for his petty benefits. All corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, judges, doctors, engineers, teachers, clerks etc fall in this category.

        2. King, in Vedas has come for Eeshvar as well as the public representative who is supposed to lead his/her country and protect it. By going through the context of any Mantra, appropriate meaning of every word should be taken. Anyway in general terms king is the one who is the representative of his/her countrymen. So it is his/her duty to protect people from terrorists and robbers. So to retain peace and harmony in the country, bad people should be destroyed.

      • “Well the analog can be made according to circumstances, you do not
        need to preach Vedas on what need to be done. A logical mind person can act on its own.”

        In the same breath, it can be safely deduced that one does not need the quran to live a good life. One can use one’s logical mind to determine what is good for him/her and act accordingly.

  • Hey Agni,

    Please give scriptural reference when you quote “Hindus are born dum”.

    On the contrary our scriptures tell us we are nothing but Divine:

    1. Aham Bhramasmi sarvam Khalvidam Bhraman
    (I am Bhraman and so is everything)

    2. Shivoham Shivoham Shivaswarupo ham. This is famous poem sung by Adi Shankaracharya.
    (I am Shiva, I am Shiva).

    3. Similarly refer to Atmastakam by Adi Shankaracharya.

    Yes in the Bhakti tradition, initially the devotee admits that he is paapi (sinner) but that is to be said only until he has not met a Guru or surrendered to The Divine.

    • If we are born intellectual, what is the use of Gurukuls and education system? The entire concept of Ashram vyavastha is based on fact that one has to put efforts and earn knowledge. At birth, everyone is dumb and education makes us intelligent. I do not understand what you mean by scriptural reference here?

      By the way, the references you have quoted are from Shankaracharya perhaps, and not from scriptures.

      • Purush,

        You are assuming that a person gets intellectual wisdom only in an institution.

        I can quote many examples where intellectual knowledge is not from institutions.

        In the secular field:

        Einstien.

        Akbar. He was illiterate

        In Spiritual Field:

        Kabir Das: Was born in a weaver’s family. But if you read his dohas they resemble metaphysics.

        Sant Gyaneshwar of Maharastra: He composed Gyaneshwari , a commentary of Geeta, at age of 12. In this work he clearly mentions Big Bang event, much before modern scientists can claim.

        Ramana Maharishi. He never went to a Gurukul and neither had any physical Guru who had given him intellectual knowledge.

        The point is that people do not need any institution to realize the Divine wisdom that they already have. Most of the scientific discoveries and spiritual truths have been found from deep interception.
        Because of the Divine nature of the soul, we cannot conclude that ‘humans are born fool’

      • So were these people born as scholars and they did not do any efforts? Did Einstein narrate Theory of Relativity immediately after birth and did not cry because he was born intelligent?

        Or did Kabir and Gyaneshwar started singing dohas and hymns instead of weeping when born?

        I am only assuming that knowledge and intelligence does not come without efforts and from birth everyone is dumb. It is only efforts that make one intelligent. I don’t understand what is your objection to this. Would you experiment keeping your children isolated in a room from birth and expecting them to become intelligent since birth?

        Give me one example where human was born intelligent and did not have to make any efforts to gain intelligence.

      • Hindus are born dumb. I am sooo dumb that I get jealous of bright intelligent muslims and want to wipe them out. Any problems?

    • @Van
      Manusmriti says- “Janmanaa Jaayate shoodram sankaaraat dvij uchchyate”

      It means everyone is born “Shudra”, it is the Sanskar (teaching), which make one Brahmin or Kshatriya or Vaishya.

      • In Hinduism esoteric interpretation of verses are encouraged. For this reason there are many and even contradictory commentaries on Geeta. Infact it is said to the level is your Divine awareness to that level these mantras reveal themselves to you.

        I am neither a scholar nor a spiritual person to give you the correct meaning of this verse from Manusmriti. But using the same verse I can prove that ‘humans are not born fools’

        The word used in the verse is sanskar, which you have wrongly translated as teaching. Sanskar means pre conditioning or habitual.

        If a person is pre conditioned from his earlier births (sanskar) to be a saint, even though he is an infant he will still be a saint. This is because he is carrying sanskars from his previous birth.

        In this particular context sanskar can also mean your deeds.

        Secondly, caste system and the word ‘born’ is very symbolic. Even in Geeta Lord Krishna has used used ‘twice born’ in a symbolic manner. I do not want to get into the debate of different castes and the meaning of ‘twice born’.

        And even if I take the sentence literally that ‘people are born sudras’ how do you prove to me that sudras are dum people? (This has to be proved or assumed to come to the conclusion that people are born dum). You have assumed that sudras are dumb.

        I just want to clear the misconception that Agni has written in his article. As per Hindu scriptures including Vedas all humans are born Divine and will remain Divine. One of the Maha mantras are “Aham Bhramasmi” I am the Bhraman.

      • @Van
        You yourself contradict your claim of everyone’s inbuilt divinity by saying “I am neither a scholar nor a spiritual person….”! If I ask you what needs to be done to become a scholar or a spiritual person, wont you say “Swadhyay and practicing Yog”? This is just what we say!

        As far as the verse goes, “Sanskaar” means teachings or deeds. If your meaning of Sanskaar i.e. “preconditioning” is taken here, “Janmana jaayate” part becomes irrelevant because “preconditioning” is still there at the time of birth but that state is called as that of a Shudra.

        Concept of twice born has the same meaning that everyone is born Shudra but as soon as he acquires knowledge and starts doing the deeds, he becomes Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya.

        Shudra itself means “who does not understand”. This word “Shudra” is not noun rather it is an adjective. As soon as a person of “Shudra” Varna starts getting the knowledge, he becomes Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya accordingly.

        By the way, there is nothing like Mahamantra in Vedas! There are only Mantras. And “Aham Brahmaasmi” is not even a Mantra. It is nowhere in four Vedas. Vedas clearly talk about three different eternal entities, Eeshvar, Jeev, Prakriti. Jeev never becomes Brahm.

  • Hey Agni,

    Your points are well reseached but how can you claim that the Prophet Mahumad was suffering from TLE Epilepsy.

    In the nineteeth century whole of Bengal thought Ramakrishna Paramhansa as a madman because of his divine visions which he spoke with everyone. However, this perception was changed when well educated disciples like Swami Vivekanada joined him and accepted him as their Guru.

    Just because some revelations do not occur to us we cannot say that the concerned person is suffering from TLE Epilepsy. If you are using modern psychologists to back your claim, then I am afraid that modern and western psychology does not know a spec of information about different and altered states of consciousness.

    If one wants to study different states of consciousness, we must study Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra.

    However, to dismiss the Divine revelation, visions and samadhi as a disease (based on testimony of Western Science) is not following principles of Science.

  • Indeed the worst of Satyagni. Satyagni, I know you can do better. Please give more references, especially from Quran and Hadiths, and repost!!!!!!!

    Almost no references. As for one reference – Quran 144.3 – what the heck this this my friend? Quran has only 114 poems, what is this 144th one? If it is one of its sects, at least care to mention it.

    Other than Zakir MMBS, who else says that Mohammad believed in Veda? No reference. Satyagni, as I think more and read more of your lousy article, you are pissing me more and more. I am not buying a damn thing. Just one request – GIVE REFERENCES OR TAKE THIS CRAP OFF your otherwise sane website.

    • 1. Its 3.144. Thanks for correction. Actually at times mind goes for a spin shifting from left-to-right and right-to-left reading

      2. This article is supposed to be for layman and easy reading written in a story format. Idea is not to provide evidences but an alternative theory. Proofs are ample for the various points in the story and we leave it to readers to explore themselves or ask specifically if they need help.

      3. We do not promise that all our articles will appeal everyone. But we promise that they would be in direction of eradicating intolerance and falsehood.

      4. The goal of the article is simple and straightforward – that same set of facts as brought by various sects of Islam can be knitted together to create a completely different version of story that no one can deny.

      5. It thus concludes that if Muhammad was great, Quran and hadiths have to be false. And hence if Muslims indeed love Muhammad, they should reject Quran and Hadiths and embrace Vedas.

      KIndly ignore the article if you could not ally with the overall goal and purpose behind this article.

  • […] reject the Hadiths completely like Ghulam Jeelani. For me, Muhammad was a genius. Refer my article: Muhammad (PBUH) : A Genius Misunderstood. I have drawn a lot of flak from dogmatic forces in Hinduism as well as Islam for this article, but […]

  • Part 5
    x. These are conspiracy theories for which there's no proof, only conjecture. Of course there were power struggles, but Aisha and others, knew deep down that Muhammad was no prophet.

    y. How do you know what the core essence of Muhammad's teachings are? What are the questionable teachings? What evidence do you have for proving your division? How do you know that the questionable teachings are not Muhammad's core teachings?

    What evidence do you have that Muhammad said the Qur'an is not complete? On the contrary Muhammad did say it was complete in Qur'an 5:3 the last verse revealed – "Today I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor to you and have chosen for you Al-Islam as your religion."

    You have quite a distorted impression of Muhammad as being someone spiritually progressive. The fanatics who you claim disgrace Muhammad are the ones who are truly following Muhammad. Muhammad assassinated those who criticised him, tortured those who rubbed him the wrong way, killed those who left his religion, killed entire tribes enslaving their women and children, destroyed peoples deities, set himself as the best example for all mankind to follow. This example has led to the deaths of 100's of millions of people, 70 million alone in India, destruction of places of worship and libraries all over the world and continued slavery up until the 20th century.

    People who see the faults in Islam should lay responsibility squarely where they are due instead of purporting apologies out of thin air which only perpetuates the honouring of Muhammad and his debilitating ideology.

  • Part 4
    r. Muhammad did not adopt Aisha. He was not her Godfather. All the evidence is that he said he saw her in a dream at age 5, he married her at age six and had sex with her at age 9. There is doubting any of this as they are in strong hadiths. Where is your evidence that the verses revealed after marriage was solely in the presence of Aisha who distorted them. Admittedly Muhammad spent more nights with his child bride than with any other, but no evidence that verses were only revealed on the nights with her. Muhammad had scribes who recorded what he revealed. The companions memorised what he revealed. This is history. No history states they were revealed only to Aisha.

    s. Aisha spent most time with Muhammad and hence would be privy to many of his sayings and actions. However it is incorrect to say the bulk of hadiths are from Aisha, because they are not. And how do you know who Aisha's henchmen are?

    t. The hadiths were compiled by great Islamic scholars and is considered by Muslims to be great science. Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawood the ones considered authentic had hundreds of thousands of sayings from followers from which they narrowed it down to tens of thousands based on accuracy, their knowing what correlated with Muhammad's life and the reliability of the transmitter. It wasn't a free for all. And doubting them now with our ethics, because you feel they do not fit the image of the person you want them to fit is disingenuous.

    u. There was infighting. Aisha's father Abu Bakr was the first caliph. However when Ali became the fourth caliph Aisha was against him and fought with him as she wanted the caliphate to remain within her dynasty.

    v. Muhammad never catered for the future after his death. He never laid out a succession plan. He was only concerned about himself. That was the cause of all the infighting. He predicted 72 sects, but there are many more. He thought that the end of the world was near. The Qur'an is all Muhammad. What method are you going to use to divide the Qur'an into 2, Part 1 verses Muhammad revealed and Part 2 the verses the followers adulterated? Qur'an 3:144 is not in anyway prophetic. Muhammad knew he was human. It says when he dies any of his followers who turned away from the faith will not get the reward ie. heaven. It was more of a threat.

  • Part 1
    This article makes many assumptions, giving credit to Muhammad where it’s not due. You start off with the premise that Muhammad was a great spiritual leader and hence attribute all the good in Islam to him and all the bad to his wayward followers whose aim was to distort his message. You have no proof for any of this as I’ve noted point by point below. What you are doing is similar to someone coming along in centuries to come and claiming Hitler was a great man because he provided free education, free medical care, got Germany out of the great recession gave Germans pride, etc. But all the bad things were because of army generals planning to conquer the world – it could not have been Hitler because he had good intentions.

    Sometimes when you make dubious claims without evidence you lose credibility and it affects the significance of your good pieces of work.

    a. Islam means 'submission' NOT 'peace'. Muhammad demanded submission at any cost. The Arabic word for peace is 'salaam'

    b. This is a flagrant untruth perpetuated by Islam itself to justify the need for Islam and cement the idea of Jahilyah – 'period of ignorance'. It wasn't a perfect society. Their true history will never be known because the victors write history to suit their aims, distorting the enemies’ history. Muhammad's first wife was a successful business woman; women obviously had no problems being on the upper rungs of society. The Kaaba accommodated idols of all the Pagan idols from in and around Arabia, where annually the various believers would gather in peace and harmony to worship their respective deities. Claims of widespread incest are not backed up by any history. We have incest to this day and if in the future people want to look back they can generalise and say back in the 21st century there used to be incest.

    c. Muhammad was only monogamous with his first marriage because he had no choice. He lived a life of opulence dependant on the rich Kadhija, allowing him to pursue his personal goals without having to work. After she died, and her business collapsed he then started raiding Meccan caravans to fund his mission. He was no longer dependant on her and took on as many wives as he could get. He said you can marry your first cousin, if that is not close then I don't know what is.

  • Part 3
    k. So rogue followers would come with teachings to fool the people so you can justify him using his teachings as final which he also used to fool the people.

    l. His followers imprisoned him and distorted his teachings? Where do you get evidence for this information?

    m. The Satanic verses were revealed very early on in Mecca. The Meccans met with Muhammad to compromise prayers in the Kaaba, where they could share worship. Muhammad came up with the verses that sanctioned it was OK to worship the daughters of Allah – Al-lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. After discussions with his followers who questioned how Allah could change his directives concerning worship of him alone, Muhammad came up with the excuse that those verses were whispered to him by Satan and not Gabriel. That way he got out of his compromise to show tolerance for other beliefs. You need to do more research before writing such inaccuracies.

    n. There are inconsistencies in the Qur'an because it changed as Muhammad's fortunes changed. This is known as abrogation. The Qur'an itself says Allah will bring better verses to replace previous. Muhammad was tolerant in Mecca because he had no choice. But when he gained military strength in Medina he changed his tune and got sanction from Allah to be a warlord. Nothing to do with followers manipulating scripture.

    o. You seem to bring to the table that Muhammad was noble, hence discard the disgusting embarrassing history. That is wrong. Look at the history and then determine the character. Muhammad saw his daughter-in-law naked behind a curtain one day while visiting his adopted son's house. He was immediately attracted to her and Allah conveniently revealed a verse telling his son to divorce her and she to marry him. This is all Muhammad and his greed and lust. No noble or good character there.

    p. Where is your evidence that Muhammad was slowly poisoned by his followers? Muhammad had been poisoned a couple years before he died by a woman captured from the battle of Khaybar but survived.

  • Similarities between Allah & a Gangster Don :

    Both claim:
    1. Everyone must accept that I(Don/Allah) is/am the supreme.
    2. If you surrender to me I will give you women(72 virgins, bar girls) for you to Enjoy.
    3. Take the gun and kill anyone you want; the whole world is mine(Allah's, Don's)
    4. Those who dont believe in me, I will burn them in hell fire(Even Don's will burn,shoot if u dont believe in them).
    5. If you talk against me , I will kill you(Blasphemy 's punishment)
    6. If you leave my gang(Islam) I will kill you.(Murder is the punishment).

    …..
    the list go 's on……………..

  • @Islam

    brother, did u read the Vedas FAQs on this site, if not that ill answer ur question briefly as Mr. Satyagni, me, and all other hindus have one intention that is to bring u muslims on the pathway of truth (Vedas) and make u reject falsehood(Quran). No scripture of hinduism, especially the sumpreme Vedas state that we hindus have multiple gods. We, hindus have only ONE supreme GOD with various names like ISHWAR,PARAMATHMA. All these gods and goddesses u see are made by people and NOT a Vedic recommendation. But GOD has many qualities and attributes and its hard for he human mind to keep track of GOD as a whole so that is why Vedas refer to GOD in different adjectives and qualities. Later on, however, people made idols and images of each of these qualities of GOD so that is why u see different gods and goddesses. And as far as ur heaven hell of quran goes, if u think u can scare us with eternal hellfire, then u are wrong because any sensible intelligent person knows this is all false and hoax. Hell and Heaven are like kids bedtime stories that a mother recites to keep him doing good things and to scare him with the threat of hell if he does bad. So, u fanatic muslim, grow up, and stop dreaming about heaven where u get 72 virgins…..

  • After reading what you have written about Islam and Muhammad, I was wondering if you could write a bit about your religion with I dont know how many gods you have and I wonder IF these gods really exist!!! Why your Godssss created human so beautifully when they themselves are weird, strange. At least all the answers human want are found in the Quran. What about your books? What does they say of the creation of the world? Strange. Prase be to Allah the Almighty The One. My Creator and your Creator too. Deeeeep in your heart, you are aware that Islam is the only trur religion inthis world and that is WHY in all part of the world people are embracing Islam becaus ein Islam alone they were able to get the answers to their question with proof. Stop fooling people otherwise you will dwell in fire for eternity.

    • That is the problem with fanatics like Zakir Naik. They believe that the only religion that Allah accepts in Islam and everyone else will burn in Hell for eternity. So Allah himself decided the fate of everyone from very beginning by giving them birth in wrong places and putting veil over their hearts and minds. The only evidence that Islam (as explained by Zakir Naik) is the only true religion is the testimony of murderers like Ali, Aisha, Uthman, Umar etc who were busy killing each other immediately after death of Muhammad. Had Islam been the only true religion, why was Allah idiot enough to not be able to secure a copy of original Quran as narrated to Muhammad? Why he left compilation of Quran at mercy of bloody hounds?

    • “u will dwell in the fire for eternity” Have u been to hell yourself and seen the hell fire with u r own eyes! Grow up kid. Its you guys who are fooling around with people. Religion is basically a set of beliefs and mind you “beliefs” and not facts.

    • assalaam-u-alaikum bro islam:

      dese ppl r blind-folded, they wont undrstand d importance of islam n they dnt blv in one god, ALLAH. they r a set of disbelievers who dnt wanna knw abt islam bt they js wanna create divisions btwn differnt sect of muslims. iv been telling thm abt islam n our beloved prophet 4 a month or more nw bt wen they r destined 2 go 2 d hell fire, thn no 1 can stop thm!!

  • Dear Satyagni Bhaijan,

    Salaam-u-alaikum, Thanks for yours clarifications, I understood and accepted yours ideology and strategy. Sorry for accusing you. Please forgive me.

  • Dear Satyagni Bhaijan,

    Salaam-u-alaikum, to know the real character of Muhammad the so called Prophet by his followers please go through the book written by Mr. David Samuel Margoliouth "Mohammed and the Rise of Islam" (1905), "Understanding Muhammad" by Ali Sina and Mr. Robert Spencer "The Truth about Muhammad: Founder of the world's most intolerant Religion (2006) with all the genuine references.

    I think you have given some soft corner to that mass murderer, rapist, thug and unethical liar but I accept he was a great inspirer but on what basis ? It was only by Lie and Fraud, by giving Cock and Bull Stories on his foolish Arch Angel Gabriel and his own astral journey on physical horse Harak and formless Allah seated in 7 heaven on his throne 'Aras' are these stories reliable no only bullshit. Please check and conclude according to my personal opinion you have praised the fraud I wont agree it.

    By Hajrat Khadija

    • Dear Sister! My goal is not to condemn any specific person but destroy the ideology that promotes murder, rape, deceit and barbarism. As you would see, the article concludes that if Muhammad was saint, the current Quran and Hadiths have to be all trash. Further, Muhammad's hallucinations are explained by a brain disorder that he was suffering from – temporal lobe epilepsy. There are several such prophets living even today in mental hospitals.

      If I write an article that condemns Muhammad, most Muslims will not even read it because in contemporary Islam, Muhmmad is more important than Allah. So I wrote it in this manner so that an average ignorant Muslims knows the facts that were hidden from him so far. And then, whatever be his conclusions, I leave to him. It may be difficult to reject everything in one go, but even if they reject the barbaric Quran and Hadiths, if not Muhammad, world would be a much more safer place.

      Often history is what followers write. So I am willing to give Muhammad benefit of doubt, so far they reject the fraud texts and their lessons. I hope you would understand my bigger objective.

      Dhanyavad

      • "If I write an article that condemns Muhammad, most Muslims will not even read it because in contemporary Islam, Muhmmad is more important than Allah…….." —– Mr. Satyagni

        and 'they' keep ranting about the nirguna brahman (allah) or 'the formless' everytime, taunting those who worship deities with form, whereas, they dont realise that they themselves are worshipping image of god or his form (mohammed)…….common sense (yeah, really !) tells that human intellect cant imagine anything which doesnt have a form, and hence its but natural for a human to worship first a form (self-identifying with the deity first, or, 'avishkara'), then move onto the formless (if he is a sadhaka, or a fakir)………even the vedas say that understanding god for humans with their limited though-power is JUST IMPOSSIBLE….and YES, limited, how much ever mankind may boast about its material achievements brought about by their brains……there ARE many things, understanding the totality of which is just not possible, at least, with the help of just gross physical senses…….then how can some people claim propriety over something that which just can't be understood, though realisable through strict and disciplined means (sadhana) ?! i must say, majority of the mankind is just plain stupid, has been so since ages, and severely lacks humility to see that WE also are just part of the whole play, and not the bosses here ! hence all the hate and bloodshed !!

  • If pandit Zakir Naik can share his expertise on Vedas, why can't Satyagni or for that matter anybody else do the same? Is it muslims birth right to comment on others faith whereas nobody can comment on theirs.

  • Its an amazing post.. i guess people make some perception before reading the whole article.
    The message is to unrelate – the misunderstood practice of muhammad and his teachings with that of what is mentioned in quran or the much available information.
    Adulteration … can make great legend turn into a terrorist

    • Dear Brother.

      Could you specify which part of the article appeared unauthentic. I shall then try to provide references from unbiased or Islamic sources. All I have tried is to defend Muhammad from all the wrong things that happen in name of Islam.

    • Worst article i have ever seen. one advice for you. Just go and have a talk with Dr. Zakir naik once. I guarantee you he will prove you wrong!! Note down my words, go ahead and try this!

      • @khan

        Zakir Naik is scared to debate or even talk to Satyagniji/Arya Samaj. Now it is obvious where your suggestion stands in this case.

  • please dont misunderstand me, but this is the most pathetic article i have ever seen in my whole life.
    i do appreciate your concern about our religion. But wouldnt it be better, if you would have more to talk about hinduism and its practises in this website, rather than posting fake articles about islam.

    if someone wants to learn about Bhagat Singh, u read a book about him written by one of his close accomplices or atleast indians.. as the same, please read about islam from an islamic source, not a hate website such as this.

    • Dear Brother,

      All portions of the article are well researched and backed by evidences from scholars and experts – primarily from Islamic faith. I have merely compiled that together in a coherent story that attempts to defend Muhammad (PBUH). Instead of calling it a hate article vaguely, kindly specify which portion of article you find fake, and I shall try to provide evidence from Islamic works and unbiased research for that.

      Also this concept of our religion and your religion should not exist in Islam because Islam means humble submission. Also as even Zakir Naik claims, everyone is born Muslim. So everyone has right to review Islam and debate what is right and what is wrong.

      By the way, in Hinduism, the philosophy is complete opposite. As per Hinduism, everyone is born as dumb. One has to earn the designation of being 'Arya' or noble through efforts.

      Further, I do not understand that why no admirer of Zakir Naik condemns him when he talks about Hinduism and Vedas; when they are so eager to condemn others when they talk anything about Islam? Why this double standard?

      May Peace Be Upon You All

      • May Allah give you HIdayat ameen.

        First read Holly Quran in your own Language and then read anything else if anyone want to know the truth about Islam and about Muhammad (peace be upon him) and about Allah Subhana wa tala

        Just Read The Holy Quran not for me or not For Muhammad (PBUH) or not for the sake of argument but just for the answers of each and every question in your mind and u will himself come to know is that any Human being can write this or It is Allah Who is addressing us.

        Muslims do not ask from non muslims for any personal benefit to accept Islam but because it is the message by Allah for all human beings how to live life and what is the purpose of life.

        And Believe me Whatever Message conveyed by Muhammad (PBUH) is not of his own but by Allah
        and We human beings can never ever pay , what Allah and His messenger Mohammad PBUH given us as Muhammad and Allah loves us more than any one in the whole universe.

        May Allah give You Hidayat Ameen.

        Read the Holly Quran and then read anything else.

        I believe that Quran is all truth and whatever sins i made i have to bear the punishment its only Upon Allah and His Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who loves us more than our mother and father and anyone in this world that with their blessing may be i would be forgiven.

      • @Syed:

        A Christian would make the exact same statement of yours except that he would replace Allah with God and Mohammed with Jesus. How am I to know who is right – you or the Christian?

    • Dear writer of article,

      I have never heard of most of the things that you write as facts (to you of course). This is not research but just your opinion which you are entitled to. You must list all references so that people who would like to verify anything you write can do so. Also, make sure you list trusted references which were peer-reviewed and done by scholars. If we leave it to our imagination, we can write so many fantastic lies about any person. If I have time, I can write about you and make people (who do not really read and do not know how to test the truthfulness of what they read) believe it.

      Peace be with you Brother!
      Play another Game, this one is too silly,
      Ziad

      • @Ziad:

        This is not research but just your opinion which you are entitled to.

        Good on you. Some of the jihadis who come here are quick to call us unprintable names and warn us of impending hellfire dealt to us by Allah whenever they come across articles like these. At least you are not quick to judge us that way. That being said, I would like to know what you think Allah’s treatment of Kufrs will be. For instance, did Mahatma Gandhi and Ambedkar (both of whom were pressurized during their lives to embrace Islam/Christianity bud did not) burn in hell after their death? If they did not, does not the entire edifice of Christianity and Islam (which claim eternal status in heaven in the company of full-breasted maidens) crumble down? Would love to hear your opinion on that. If it is possible for a non-Muslim to enjoy heaven why convert/kill/evangelize/award death sentence to apostates in the name of religion?

        You must list all references so that people who would like to verify anything you write can do so.

        Are you Shia/Sunni/Qadiyani/Sufi or what? Have you guys been able to resolve who carries the legacy of Islam after the Prophet’s death by a study of references and the process of verification? Why or why not?