Vedas and Vegetarianism

A large number of allegations have been coming from all corners claiming Vedas to support meat-eating and even cannibalism! Nothing can be far from true.

We are presenting here a very useful text by our enthusiastic supporter Dr Arunabh Talwar on the topic which would suffice to silence all promoters of such false propaganda. This book along with the article No Beef in Vedas contains all necessary evidences to showcase Vedas as a text that appeals for protection of all living beings. We request all readers to review and circulate these researches for mass consumption. If PETA can review the Vedas, they would no more need to appeal to glamor of vulgar nude models to promote compassion for animal!

Further we appeal all to shun a practice that is brutal, extremely harmful to environment, causes poverty and hunger in world, bad for health and longevity and lowers us from status of being humans. Just as we would not like ourselves, our children and even old parents to be killed for someone’s taste of tongue, similarly we should refuse to kill other innocent living beings. The way we refuse to eat dead bodies of human beings, we should also not feast on dead bodies of other living beings who have eyes, nose, face, brain like us. Who feel pain and pleasure like us. Who feel the same fear and weep in similar manner like we do when nearing our own death. Law of Karma ensures that if we kill today, we would face the killing tomorrow. The only way to escape this is by being kind and compassionate.

May we pray and act for well-being of all!

Vegetarianism and Vedas
Vegetarianism and Vedas

PS: On why we have an image of Einstein on this article – we firmly believe that Einstein was Vedic with regards to this aspect of his life. Remember, Vedic Dharma is not a water-tight compartment where either you belong as a believer or burn in Hell away from it if you are a non-believer. Vedic Dharma is a scientific way of living. We all are Vedic to extent we comply with Vedic rational laws in certain areas of our life and are anti-Vedic where we act against it.

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  1. sanatanaakki says

    i remember once i was talking to some muslim he kept on saying one line to me of english translation…

    INDRA ATE THE BULL.!! INDRA ATE THE BULL!!

    I tried to explain him so much but he was blind folded or something lol…

    NICE WORK AGNIVEER!!

  2. says

    Even if we consider Veda has no meat eating then why do we eat plants who are also living and have feelings like human.

    Don’t you think we are without reason ,Plants have life too and soul too which Hindu Rishis also say and Swami Dayanand also say.

    • says

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    • says

      NAZEEB,
      HOW MANY TIMES AGNIVEER WILL PROVE U MUSLIMS AND YOUR FATHER ZAKIR NAIK THAT MEAT MEANS MANS OR FLESH OR MUSLE PART. CAN YOU SHOW ME HE WHERE IS THE FLESH OR MUSLE IN THE PLANT BODY.
      FIRST KNOW THE MEANING OF MEAT AND THEN TALK ABOUT IT.

      SOON YOUR IRF AND ZAKIR GANG WILL BE BLATANTLY EXPOSED.

      AGNIVEER WILL NUDE ALL OF THEM.

      THANKS AGNIVEER BHAIYA.

    • krishan somnath brahman says

      animals and humans both have, nervous system!!if you know, but plants wont have any nervous syestem, this nervous system is the thing due to which humans and plants feels pain,joy or any activity!! if a person nervous system brek bown, he is not able to relaize that hes hungry or thristy even, or he has to sleep or wake up!and after that it results in immediate deadth of human and animal….even a person cant see hear or listen with out nervous system,or a animal indeed, s we both createures feel pain and stress an all.
      whre as nothing such thing is in plants, plants lack nervous system.they wont feel any pain,thrist or pain while standing on same place dya and night for ever, thatis y they stay on a place!!while animals needs rest…..
      human and animals are same due to nervous system!! and thats the reason of what vedas says and prove!!
      in islam even ,prophet islam was reported not to eat meat more than 500 grams,or a pao of that tym.,and he eat it in tym of difficulties(sahi satta)….
      heeven wrap it in makhmal cloth,then touches it on his lips,to say its hala but wnt eat it(firdousul akber)……
      no religious personality…even jesus will be seen fond of meat!!it shows hindus have been granted the nature of sprituality

  3. Hare Krishna says

    Hare Krishna Hare Rama …..ab yeh baat koi Dr.Zakir Naik urf Nalayak ko kaun samjhaye…ki non-vegeterian hone se kitna nuksaan ho rha hai kudrat ko…..bhagwan sab ko sadh buddhi de……

  4. Raj Kumar Sukhdeo says

    This book coupled with the article on “There is no beef in Vedas” needs to be distributed and read by as many people in the world as possible.It is already a known fact based on scientific analysis that if more people on this planet become vegetarians – we would have more food and mankind would become more peaceful.It would be great to see more people help to inculcate and spread this message.Terroristic traits in their genetics would go thru a positive mutation.

  5. Vik says

    Thank you very much, we needed this, hopefully people will choose to believe Albert Einstein over the stupid fanatic arguments of Zakir Naik. Great Job, many great scientists were Vedic in one way or another. Einstein was a vegetarian, whereas Sir Isaac Newton was a bachelor, which is also recommended by the Vedas known as brahmacharya.

  6. Sanjay says

    Dear agniveer,

    As I written before a person should posses good qualities as that are required to interpret the vedas. If a drunk, sex addict, meat eater is interpreting the Vedas of course he will project such qualities into the interpretation. The Problems of such interpretation are inconsistent with the ‘Vedas as whole. The person who is not qualified and coming from unqualified source, has no right to his assertions, as they who don’t faith in our religion how can they hope to interpret our religion without any biased. They are looking for something to discredit our religion.and willful interpret things to satisfy their own concoction of the world.

    Indians were largely vegetarian society, the requirement of Sativik food the diet of brahmachary is testament to the fact their could be no such thing in vedas.

    Please always when you write give the authors background who makes such assertion most time will give the obvious reason for their interpretations.

    As again the person who interprets the Vedas should have all the good qualities none of the bad, as to these people it would be obvious what the Vedas are saying.

    • Arun says

      Hi Bro,

      Who said Majority Indians are vegetarians ????? Get the fact right you people think all indians are brahmins, do you know 40 % of indian population are scheduled caste and you people hate them to the core and you will never accept them as vegetarians (brahmins) So dont be silly

      Thanks,
      Arun

      • Krishnarao says

        Hi Arun,

        Is this is the same Arun that posted on many other articles. If so, just wanted to say, I love your writing.

        Best,
        Krishnarao

  7. Sanjay says

    Last on having there are many more qualified scientist and such tendency to identify science with name faces is very political as this WWII propaganda. The tendency of great scientist to be vegetarian is also known, like Darwin, Jagdish chandr Bose, Leonardo Da Vinche , and even Newton known for his love for animals had tendency to vegetarianism as he wrote his book optics on bread and wine alone.

    Like Ramanujan the histories greatest mathematicians, or great scientific works of Indians . What Einstien did is very limited and must be seen in context not name face science strange he too tended to vegetarianism..

    Which is stranger the story of Revati and Balram marriage where the travel to meet lord Brahma tells Revati’s father who both born in Satyuga of how much time as passed by travel and or waiting on his planet that millions of years has passed and the person worthy for your daughter Ravita you will meet in Dwapar Yuga and that his name is Balram , he also said all his generation died in the time passed and told by calculation how much time passed. What strange he and his daughter did not age one bit.. A very popular story that predates relativity.

    Most science was founded by nature worshipers and it is important for Hindus to understand this, by going into cults name face science we miss the fundamental facts.

    It is well known that America is controlled by Jew mafia, when the Fedral Reserve control by Jews can give 2 trillion dollars loan without any authority to businesses and foreign countries, when Jews/Christians can hack off an entire nation for power. Name face science is an insult to science.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNFVjBVEtQ&feature=player_embedded

    But they are many great Indian scientist in fact in the last 15 years almost every year an Indian was passed over for the Noble Prize not being the right race nor being the right nationality. So what you are doing is typical problem of Ayra Samaj of United States getting in trapped into religious cults of name face science.

    In fact most science was made by nature worshipers and we still depend on them for 90% of science..AS all fields of Botany, zoology, astronomy, mathematics was started by them. I still argue a simple argument Indians had identified around 10 million species of animals, what was the loss when libraries of Taxila, and Nalanda were burn down. When today only 1.7 million spcies are known today and again mainly through nature worshiper which the basis of technology as scientist cannot ever compete with the amount of experiments that go on with nature. So when Ramayan talks of better technology then we have believe them as it well known fact today technology comes from nature worshipers. As today field work is not done but bio-piracy stealing from nature worshipers.

    Being unread don’t know basic facts. Pay attention, we are in an extinction one that has not occurred in the last 500 millions year. In the middle East there were lion hunting and that too 3-4000 years ago, the whole Sahara Desert was jungle . Pay attention do not buy into all these propaganda because truth tells a very sad story..

    Pay attention there is an tendency for brain washing, propaganda does that also hypnotism by watching tv…

    • Sanjay says

      A quote from Charles Darwin All these examples show us that the common and persistent fallacy that one must eat flesh in order to be strong has no foundation in fact; indeed the exact contrary is true, Charles Darwin remarked in one of his letters: “The most extraordinary workers I ever saw, the laborers in the mines of Chili, live exclusively on vegetable food, including many seeds of leguminous plants.” Of the same miners Sri Francis Head writes: “It is usual for the copper miners of Central Chilli to carry loads of ore of two hundred pounds weight up eighty perpendicular yards twelve times a day; and their diet is entirely vegetarian – a breakfast of figs and small loaves of bread, a dinner of boiled beans, and a supper of roasted wheat.”

      It is typical for a person on non-veg to tire out very easy, on the corollary of vegetarian horse and its great stamina.

      • says

        Dear Mr. Sanjay

        What you are talking is nonsense. And I refuse to believe that vegetarians are in any way superior to those who eat meat.

        Also, in India, except in the North-East, nobody is pure non-vegetarian. Everyone in India takes a balanced diet of vegetables and meat.

        So kindly keep your Vaishnava beliefs to yourself and don’t spread misconceptions.

        • SS says

          It is strange that the hijacking IC 814 that only the vegetarians that could complain about the Hijackers as the others said how great they were the hijacker how kind they were to them feeding them cow meat, and etc. It should be understood It was only vegetarian Hindus that were not converted and for this reason we remain a nation and was because of this factor such forces could never over come India. Further to fact compare an mostly vegetarian army in previous wars to the large losses in Kargil. Vegetarians army by nature is blood thirsty.

          Condemning meat eating is not condemning individuals but an action an vice.

          Now the personal reason I have great detest for meat eating is that when I was student of Biology one time I went to a morgue, there they brought a rotting dead body of an human, it stank so much just like a McDonald, or any restaurant that served non-veg. From there, I could understand why a meat eater when faced with starvation can eat a human being as many movies have shown. Shameless, I also witness a dog eating its own dead puppy when the body started to rot and stink same as that dead rotting flesh again we find in non-veg restaurants. So my opinion meat eaters is quite low as you will never hear a vegetarian stoop to such depravity as more likely to starve to death then even eat a dead animal.

          Protein from meat eating is highly dangerous to body and least digestible, and there is no link between protein from an meat eating diet and any benefit to health as vegetarian protein is large considered better.. On the contrary, from cancer, many disease including mad cow(protein), from blocking the arteries to the brain, heart, and entire body cutting off oxygen , from lack of stamina. In fact, most meat eaters generally are impatient, given to anger, tend to be lazy being an American I have seen Americans are very impatient. Yes, let them try to work in 45 C(120 F) heat. They say in America one sex survey the biggest meat eating country last the least seven minutes less then the Europeans, others , which is so laughable as I could tell how many days it takes to get satisfaction. The stamina of an horse verses a pure meat eating animal for example Lion/tiger that last a minute or two. and yes stamina comes from a vegetarian diet as stamina are produce by complex carbohydrates which only plants have.

          Now a Lion or tiger hunts its prey , unlike most human who eats an caged animal who is weak having many diseases being raised for slaughter. Such crime of human is condemnable as he neither hunts , nor respects in any way another life, full of cruelty etc. It is also the main reason why the environmental disaster taking place as 1/3 the forest in the United state were cut down to raise animal for slaughter. Over half the agriculture production goes into feeding the animals as it puts unnecessary land to use while the world can be better fed on a vegetarian diet.. It is the largest cause of natural disaster and singular cause of global warming as entire Sahara desert within period of less then two thousand years has been created this way.

          You talk nonsense because you refuse to believe even in facts, or maybe you are brain washed by Bollywood movie not knowing they ran by mafia dons, Islamic fundamentalist and think something so depraved as meat eating and putting something dead in your mouth is something to be glorified. Please these actors and actress can do anything which they are paid for. They are rarely hero who stand for something virtues..They today favorite themes of movies is being being a gangster/thief and glorify such things.American cancer society. American heart association, they don’t say vegetarian diet causes disease but do condemn meat eating.

          Unlike most vices meat eating is most condemnable as one does not only harm just themselves , they are killing an innocent life, and worse they a singularly the cause of destruction of the environment and creation of the greatest extinction period know in the last 500 million years..

          • Yaanni says

            Sanjay / SS:

            Horrible comments from you.

            Firstly, most of it makes little sense to me because of weird sentence construction by you.

            Secondly, it is clear to me that your understanding of human physiology is utterly shallow. You don’t even know how our body breaks down carbohydrates and protein molecules and in what way are they used as energy sources.

            Thirdly, please stop behaving like a bigot and do not use words like “All Americans are X type”.

            Fourthly, your knowledge of geology is extremely weak and you are only presenting yourself as an idiot when you say that the Sahara region was converted into a desert due to the meat heating habits of the people staying there. You have no idea what causes desertification. Overgrazing does play a role in reducing vegetation cover but the effects are localized and quickly reversible in most cases. Moreover, whether you keep cattle for milk or for meat, this effect would remain anyway, so is a vegetarian diet responsible for the Sahara desert?

            Fifthly, you also link meat eating to natural disasters. How does eating or not eating meat cause an earthquake inter alia?

            I was going to write a full reply to your horrible comments but then I realize there are way too many mistakes in them. I would advise you not to become paranoid about those who eat meat. They are not intrinsically bad people, just people with a different diet than yours. Some people sleep at 10 pm and wake up at 5 am; others sleep at 1 am and wake up at 8 am. While the first person has a good habit it doesn’t mean that the other person is a sinner and deserves utmost contempt.

            Eating or not eating meat or any other item does not automatically make you superior in any way. You need to have other qualities too.

            Yaanni

  8. says

    I am a Hindu Kayastha and I have been eating meat since I was a child. I have no negative effects on me of that and I love my family, and my country. I do my job with honesty and don’t tolerate corruption for which I have personally faced many ordeals inflicted mainly by vegetarian people who should, by their diet, be very saintly and in-corruptible.

    I don’t care whether the Vedas advocate vegetarianism or not. I know that Swami Vivekananda was not vegetarian and the Sikh Gurus also were not vegetarians. Lord Rama used to hunt deer and so did the Pandavas. I also know that even Brahmins in Uttarakhand, Bengal and North-East are not complete vegetarians.

    I also know that plants are living beings who feel pain when cut or plucked. This was proved first by an Indian scientist Sir J.C. Bose.

    Therefore not only do I believe that there is nothing wrong in eating meat but also I believe and am proud to be Hindu.

    • says

      Meat or no meat is your personal choice. We shall not meddle into that. However:

      a. Vedas forbid meat eating
      b. Swami Vivekananda is not the right authority to comment on vedas. He ate meat due to his upbringing and not because of his knowledge of Vedas.
      c. There is no reference of Rama eating meat. There may be some interpolated verses. However Rama clearly stated in ramayana that he was a vegetarian.
      d. Brahmins that you are referring to are NOT brahmins as per vedas. They are Brahmins by birth which is against Vedas.
      e. JC Bose only suggested that biological systems in plants and animals are similar in nature. He did not conclude that plants have a soul that feel ‘I’ am the plant. BTW, JC Bose also presented papers that suggested that metals have also similar systems like plants and animals! His concept of life was completely different.

      A large number of Hindus eat meat today, and they are also proud of being Hindu. But that does not make meat-eating a Hindu practice. This is same as a lot of Hindus speak abuses or get angry but that does not make saying abuses or being angry a Hindu practice. If you refer to authentic texts, anger, abusive language, meat eating etc have been forbidden for wise men.

      But yes, Hinduism does not push you in Hell forever for disobeying the recommendations.

      • says

        Nice to know your views and after a long time I am having an open minded discussion on the subject otherwise I was fed up of vegan fanatics telling me that I am some type of a sub-human for drinking milk and eating meat.

        I also eat meat due to my up-bringing and I don’t drink or smoke due to my upbringing also. My concept of food and habits is that whatever benefits my health I take and whatever does not I don’t.I have no doubts about the benefits of eating vegetables and fruits and 95% of my diet consists of this but for me eating meat is also very important as no other protein substitute like paneer or soya etc. suits my body.

        About the feelings of plants you can read the NYT article titled “Sorry Vegans, Brussels
        sprouts like to live too”.

        But I have a doubt when you say that the Brahmins in Uttarakhand, WB, North-East etc are not Brahmins because especially in Uttarakhand and North-East, lamb and goats are served as prasad of Durga & Shiva and they have their own very strong system of temples and priests.

        In Nepal, buffaloes are also sacrificed during Navratri, and especially on Dussehra. The Gorkha Rifles Regiment of the Indian Army alone sacrifices hundreds of buffaloes on Dussehra day which are served as prasadam after Shastra Puja (Weapons Worship).

        I have non-Brahmin hostelmates from Kerala and Tamil Nadu also who say that they take meat on festival days there.In fact, Peacock and Koel are Tamil culinary delicacies.

        About Sir J.C. Bose, I think his idea was a reflection of the concept of the One Universal Soul permeating through all life forms as espoused by some schools of Advaita Vedanta.

        • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

          Mr Saxena,
          first you have to understand what a brahmin is ..

          janmana jayate sudrah
          samskarad bhaved dvijah
          veda-pathad bhaved vipro
          brahma janatiti brahmanah

          “By birth one is a sudra, by the purificatory process one becomes a dvija, by study of the Vedas one becomes a vipra, and one who knows Brahman is a brahmana.”

          if one does not follow veda,which professes no meat, then one is not a brahmin..

        • says

          mr saxena,y should u eat meat?
          Carnivores hav a digestive system of acidic medium,to digest meat.their intestine is short,nearly 5m long(lion).
          See humans! (i guess u r) we hav a digestive system of alkaline medium.our intestine is more than 20 feet long. Observe from nature that long intestines r chara of herbivores.if a cow eats meat,it will digest in its stomach too! So dont think ‘if i eat meat,it digests,so its wright to do so’. Come to vedic life,live blissfully! Pranams.

          • says

            Just wanted to Clarify, Cow can’t meet cuz they dont have the necessary teath to chew it in the first place. Unlike human where we have carnivours and herbivours teath to chew vegi and meat. The God gave us the ability to eat Vegitable and Meat. The Question should be why it was forbiden as it not scientific.

        • says

          mr saxena,y should u eat meat?
          Carnivores hav a digestive system of acidic medium,to digest meat.their intestine is short,nearly 5 feet long(lion).
          See humans! (i guess u r) we hav a digestive system of alkaline medium.our intestine is more than 20 feet long. Observe from nature that long intestines r chara of herbivores.if a cow eats meat,it will digest in its stomach too! So dont think ‘if i eat meat,it digests,so its wright to do so’. Come to vedic life,live blissfully! Pranams.

        • SS says

          Your arguments are pathetic, so instead of eating plants the primary source of food, you wish us to eat animals thereby causing more harm as we kill an animal who ate plants . Now this isn’t a more viscous cycle? I do potty it is fertilizer for plants, my body when it dies act like fertilizer for plants, there is many things that I eat that by going through my digestive system produces plants, like fruits , tomato , and other vegetable clearly we have relation with plants, but not such a direct relationship eating a vegetarian animal as they will never eat us.

          So being a vegetarian does least harm as animal eats ten times the veggies in order for some fanatic to get satisfaction eats them, causing a greater disaster as they breed animals and raise them unnaturally causing an environmental disaster. It is all useless arguments as it seems you are uneducated fool who has not even studied basic biology and must justify everything with the weakest of arguments.

          Dear Agniveer, We must condemn meat eating in the strongest terms as it is very harmful. Don’t be cow down by such idiots that are fanatic and psychotic. I too have many relatives who eat meat but still there is nothing good in it.

        • Rajat Chakraborty says

          @ Achintya Nath Saxena – Hi Brother, I understand you totally. Vegetarians are Hijacking Hinduism and linking Purity to Food. Advaita Shuns this shit. We all know that the most cruel people in India are banias and Jains who suck Human Blood but eat Vegetarian food.

          India what is today is due to Non Vegetarians. Our Soldiers, Gurkhas, Sikhs, Rajputs are Non Vegetarians. Indian way of slaughter is best i.e. Jhatka.

          I am a Proud Hindu and a Non Vegetarian.

          @ Agniveer – Dont delete my comment and make this forum biased.

    • Sonal says

      I am trying to make 2 Major points here:

      A) Mental peace, increased health benefits and lesser troubles in life due to WORLD PEACE DIET that is VEG diet

      I am a Kayastha too. My mother is a Vegetarian and my father non-vegetarian (and my father acquired this cruel habit too due to his bad company during his graduation). The point what I am trying to make when my family was non-veg is as follows:
      1) We had lot of internal conflicts in home
      2) There were too many troubles every now and then.
      3) Our minds were never at peace.
      4) I severely suffered from Asthma and my father too.

      I quit non-veg due to spiritual and ethical reasons when I was 14. This decision shocked my father the most(as he thought Non-Veg diet is extremely healthy).My mother had already left non-veg diet 2 years after her marriage so this decision of mine made her feel happy because she has been trying for several years to convince my father to stop delving into this cruel meat eating habit ( my paternal grandmother and grandfather were alwaz veg and our whole Srivastava clan was Veg except my father, this my dadi used to tell me, and she used to abhor my father’s evil habit).

      When I turned Veg, within a span of a year my Asthma was cured due to following reasons:
      1) Major reason is Veg diet (I completely relied on natural unprocessed food products)
      2) I stopped using alopathic medicine and rather relied completely on Ayurvedic medicines
      3) I started practicing Yog (along with Pranayam and anulom vilom) everyday.

      Later when I was convinced myself fully which took around 2 years of time, by then I turned 16 and I started persuading my father to quit this evil habit( though all this time my father kept on insisting me to follow non veg diet which is rich in protein and bla bla becoz he is a surgeon by profession). My father finally quit this habit some 8 years ago, he is completely cured of acute Asthma and there is an immense peace in our household. I can sense the positive vibes when I enter my home now which I never felt…

      • Sonal says

        I can sense the positive vibes when I enter my home now which I never felt during these 16 years of my initial life.

        B) 2nd Imp point is that those who claim eating ANIMALS is equivalent to eating PLANT based food, they should give a thought over the following point:

        There is a term in Agriculture called ‘HARVESTING’. What does “HARVESTING” mean? It means reaping the MATURED plant seeds or fruits or vegetables (which are ripe enough to get detached) from the mother plant. As the most important way by which a plant scatters its seeds is through animals and humans. When an animal eats the fruits, seeds etc of , it then excretes the seeds after digestion to far flung places which helps the spread of that particular plant species and similar is the situation with humans.
        But since we know now that this is one of the methods of seed scattering we accept that the plant products are made for ANIMAL and HUMAN consumption.

        Now coming back to HARVESTING.This process of HARVESTING aims to collect life nourishing food from plants without killing the plant in the process.

        But when we eat meat we kill the entire animal to get its flesh through a bloody process of “Butchering”. A plant can regrow its leaves, fruits, roots, branches but an animal can not grow back its cut limb, tusk, skin, and of course can not resurrect itself after being butchered.

        Hope it answers doubts on VEG and Non-VEG.
        Feel free to post your queries directly to me, I will be more than glad to answer.

        Satymeva Jayate.

        • GOD IS GREAT says

          नमस्कार!
          अपना अनुभव बताने के लिए धन्यवाद। यह सर्वथा सत्य है। वेदो ने निरामिषाहार का ऐसे ही नही समर्थन किया है। यदि माँसाहार से कोई पोषक तत्त्व मिलना होता तो उन बेचारे वैद्यो का क्या जिन्होने निरामिषाहार के लाभ बताए है। अधिक जानकारी के लिए यह देखिए – http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/doctors.html

          अल्बर्ट आइंस्टाइन जैसे महान वैज्ञानिक ने भी माँसाहार का परित्याग करके शाकाहार को अपनाया और पूर्व से अधिक ऊर्जा का अनुभव किया। उनके अलावा आईज़ाक न्यूटन और लियोनार्डो डा विंसी ने भी माँसाहार का परित्याग करके शाकाहार को अपनाया और गुण भी बताए। मैं अपना ही उदाहरण सुनाता हु – मैं अभी यथाशक्ति सम्पूर्ण निरामिषाहार करता हु। माँसाहारी तो कभी था ही नही बस बचपन में अण्डा खाया करता था वह भी 6 महीने में से एक बार। तब भ्रमित था कि अण्डा शाकाहार में आता है अथवा माँसाहार ही है। आज तक कोई सही उत्तर नही दे पाया। खैर मैंने अण्डा खाना भी 12 साल पहले ही छोड़ दिया है। आज तक कोई रोग नही हुआ – केवल कुछ होते थे थोड़ी बहुत लापरवाही के कारण। वह भी बिना अधिक औषधियो के अपने आप ठीक हो जाते थे। यदि अपनी तुलना मेरी उमर के माँसाहारी नौजवानो से करु तो मैं उनसे 100 गुणा अधिक स्वस्थ हु। इसका सम्पूर्ण श्रेय योग तथा निरामिषाहार को ही देता हु।

          अंतत: आशा है कि बहुत शीघ्र मनुष्य इस पापाचार माँसाहार का परित्याग करेगा।
          सर्वत्र धर्म स्थापित हो।
          ॐ शांति: शांति: शांति:॥

        • says

          Sonal, I am not against Vegterian. I always belive in balance diet, But wanted to correct you on something we do kill some plants by uprooting for example Carrot and Onions, Garlic. I have seen many argument which dont have any facts and commonsense. If you feel that your a family got cured just because they become vegitarian unlease have a confirmed opionion that it is as good as people saying eating non-veg help cure disease.

        • Rajat Chakraborty says

          Dear Sonal,

          Eating Vegetarian may have helped you. However when I had a fracture in my leg, Regularly I had Paaya Soup which miraculously healed my Bone.

          Let me tell you that People with Longest Lifespan in the world are from

          Japan – Non Vegetarian

          Strongest Sportsmen are Non Vegetarians

          Sushil Kumar Lost to a Japanese in Olympics. I am sorry to say but i was happy that he lost to a Guy who eats Fish, Beef and Rice. I got a good point to counter all those vegetarians who say Ghee is best for strength.

          Kindly go around the world and see, Indians are very bad in physicality, Just because we dont eat balanced diet and obsessed with Satvik shit

          • Jay Arya says

            you are biased because you eat meat and you want to justify it with Hinduism because you don’t want to stop agniveer is doing good unlike most hindus who don’t know much and are fooled by missionaries and Brahmins you don’t need meat at all

  9. hindu militant says

    Aha another bunch of fanatics, this time on the wrong side of the fence. I am a vegetarian, by choice. Very simple answer, I was born into a vegetarian family, so I am use to be veggie. Me and my community (marwaris/gujaratis) are veggies by choice. Same reason, our genes just cannot tolerate it. I fight with my mother, why did you make me veggie? See how much problems I have when go abroad. However, I can eat meat when I dont have a choice and am starving. However, this veggie fundamentalism makes me upset. Give the choice to people to choose their food habits. Thats what hinduism teaches. I hate muslims because they make fun of my vegetarianism.No respect for other peoples way of life, hope hindus dont turn fanatic like muslims.
    I am a pure blooded rajput warrior, who can fight , die and kill if necessary. the best warriors that walked the face of this planet. I always, challenge the muslims, looking at me, do you think I cant cut your throat? I am veggie, but I definetely can kill.
    After the gujarat riots, the gujaratis were reported in american newspapers as “vegetarian killers” cant kill a chicken, can kill a human. I am proud to belong to that race.
    I expect a muslim to respect my right to be veggie, likewise I expect vegetarian hindus to respect those hindus who eat non-veg. I do.

    • says

      Dear Mr. Militant. I don’t believe that miltancy and Hinduism go together so you need to think about your worldview. Secondly, I have never seen a Rajput who is vegetarian and teetotaller. The best non-vegetarian fare in North Indian Hindu functions is available in Kayasthas (my community), Kshatriyas, and the Rajputs (Yes, in Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh & Bhihar, the Thakurs feel offended if you call them Rajput because according to them Rajputs are a warrior tribe and not a warrior caste and for them Rajputs are lower in hierarchy to pure blooded Kshatriyas).

      Anyways, to kill is not Kshatriya Dharma and also to kill one single person by more than one people is also not Kshatriya Dharma.

      If you want to transcend your Vaishya caste and be a Kshatriya, learn to be a protector of the weak irrespective of caste and community and learn the Kshatriya code of honour and rules of battle before expressing your views in public.

      And, the first rule of Kshatriya Dharma is always to identify yourself to friends and enemies alike as this is a sign of fearlessness. Your use of an alias to post in this forum indicates that you are fearful and suspicious even of Hindus. Better remain Marwari and follow Vaishya Dharma instead of trying to be Kshatriya or if you want to be Kshatriya, follow the code of honour.

      For Vaishya, money is most important, and for Kshatriya, honour is more important than life itself.

      • Vik says

        @Achintya Nath Saxena

        1)This caste system you are referring to is fake man made garbage. There is no caste system as per Vedas. These are mere professions that any human can become. Please read the article “there is no caste system in Vedas” also found on this site. If people are following this nonsense, they are insults to mankind and shall be condemned equally as terrorists.

        2)All those hindus who serve meat as prashad you are talking about, what do you expect us to say? This is a Vedas site, not a modern hinduism site. Let me make it clear for you, the modern hinduism you see today is a distorted version of Vedic Dharma. This hinduism is not the same as Rama Krishna days. Today, you see hindus doing idol worship, and following this stupid caste system, so as we can see, hindus have drifted away from Vedas a long time back. Now, its our hope to revive the Vedic Dharma. So in conclusion, no body is a brahmin or kshatriya by birth, you have to become one by your education or training. Just like if your father is a doctor, doesnt mean you are a doctor when your born, you will first have to go to school, then medical school, then finally you become a doctor, hope this clarifies.

        3)Being Vegetarian is the healthiest benefit for all humans. Who told you you cannot find protein from veggie plants, have you not heard of lentils and chick peas????? Many scientists are non veg, so that is why they spread this hoax that meat is needed or meat makes you strong, but ultimately this is all nonsense. I can show you vegetarian wrestlers and body builders who are pure veggies. Did you know, how many diseases or disorders you can get from non veg food???? As said earlier by the Admin, we are not here to condemn meat eaters, its personally your choice. We are only here to explain the benefits of vegetarianism and the risks of non veg because Vedas forbid meat.

        4)I cannot recall a single scienitific tool that can detect if an organism has a soul or not, since soul is a religious concept. My point is science has not advanced to explain everything till today, and many of them are just plain theories which have generated debates for the past few years. For example, science is unable to explain the origin of conciousness and soul. Science, is only an observation of experimental and from the results, we derive conclusions. Plants do not have a conscious soul. Besides, if we cut off a portion of a plant, it can grow back, whereas if I cut off an animal portion, it wont grow, so all those scientists that equate plants to humans/animals are stupid and merely trying to spread their cult of non vegetarianism. By common sense, one can see that a plant has no blood, no flesh, and it can regenerate, so this proves nature has designed us to eat plants. When we say plants are living, its only due to the chemical reactions that take place which is common in animals as well. But plants are not conscious beings like animals/humans. I am just saying many things science tries to prove are by trial and error and hence fail to create impact.

        • says

          Mr. Vik

          There are risks in eating non-vegetarian food because people usually are not aware what to eat and also what part of an animal is fit for human consumption. People who are from families and communities that have historically consumed meat like me are taught these things from childhood so we are better placed than ordinary people to protect ourselves from the harmful effects.

          Second major risk in meat arises out of its extremely perishable nature. Meat is best consumed fresh and not frozen like they do in colder countries. India is not suited for frozen meat consumption and due to blind copying of Western countries we are also getting into the ‘frozen and ready to eat’ culture.

          In fact, frozen vegetarian food is as harmful as frozen meat in the Indian context and environment except perhaps in the Himalayan region.

          The third risk in meat consumption has arisen due to rampant and greedy industrialization and mechanization of meat industry in Western countries. In order to fatten their animals they feed them animal protein and give them steroid injections to boost their growth which is direct interference with the natural process.

          Imagine feeding a lamb the meat of another lamb mixed with grass so that it grows fatter or feeding chicken meat to chicken to make them fat. This is the cause of diseases like mad cow , swine flu etc. and other such dangerous diseases.

          The best way of raising animals for slaughter is the good old organic way. Feed grain to chicken and grass to goats and eat fresh meat and you will never have any health complications.

          Also, animals need to be medically examined and certfied fit before slaughter.

          Fourth kind of risk is not eating vegetables and fruits along with meat. Meat is pure protein and the fastest way of assimilating protein inside a human body but the body needs fiber to digest it.

          Fiber is provided by green leafy vegetables which are a must if you are taking meat. Eating fruits also helps in digestion especially fruits like papaya which contain natural enzymes that digest meat faster.

          Fifth is while buying meat please ensure its freshness and quality and buy only from trusted butchers. A good butcher will only buy certified fit animals for slaughter. Certification is done by medical examiners who are doctors(Vets) employed by the local Municipal Authority. My family butcher has been with our family since last 80+ years. His great-grandfather used to supply to my great-grandfather’s household. We trust that he will never cheat us and he never has.

          If you take care of all the above risks in the above manner then you will eliminate all harmful effects of meat and gain the most out of it.

          • says

            Finally Mr. Vik

            The harmful effects of meat which you read in the media have been researched by US scientists on the American people. The meat production and consumption patterns in the USA are very different from what we have in India.

            In the US, it is common to find people who eat nothing but meat which gives them severe health problems starting from their stomachs. While in India, we never eat meat like that.

            Secondly, as I iterated earlier, in the US and other Western countries, meat production follows un-healthy practices like feeding animal protein to herbivorous animals just to make them fat.

            In fact, in India, during a recent study, it was found that the rate of protein malnutrition due to vegetarian diet is very high even amongst the middle and upper classes with the traditionally vegetarian dominated states like Gujarat leading the table.

            For me, the conditions of Vedas and Yoga of a vegetarian diet are for people who are at a level of consciousness that is beyond normal level and whose needs for nutrition for their bodies is fulfilled by meditation itself.

          • Vik says

            @Achintya

            Please do not use childish logic to support ur argurments. I also come from a scientific background, and I know its a fact scientifically, and ethically, that meat eating is not smart.

            In fact many doctors in India themselves told me that one shortens his life by meat consumption and makes himself vulnerable to various diseases.

            Our human anatomy is designed to eat veg food only. All the excuses you presented like getting an upset stomach when you eat paneer is like an alcoholic presenting excuses after excuses to avoid stop drinking because he enjoys alcohol.

            The reason you get an upset stomach is because the enzymes in your stomach are used to the meat consumption. But the fact is that you can too digest paneer as well but it will take a bunch of tries. Similarly, when a person starts eating non veg, he may get the same experience as well. You can read more about stomach enzymes on the net or ask your doctor about it.

            If people like you justify meat eating, what is stopping you from eating human beings???? You would get more protein from eating humans as well right?????

            If you say slaughtering with a Jhatka will minimize pain in an animal while killing it, we can slaughter human beings with Jhatkas as well, so should we eat humans????

            Yes all religions are man made, I agree with you. Vedas on the other hand, does not preach a religion, Vedas are like books of science, that one should read to gain knowledge and benefit self and others from that knowledge. Dharam is not synonymous with religion, Dharma means like a trait. For example, the trait of fire is to burn, the trait of water is to wet, similarly Vedic Dharma should be our trait.

          • says

            Mr. Vik

            There are no childish logics in my arguments. Also, I don’t eat humans because it is not natural to eat one’s own kind.

            Even animals don’t eat their own kind.

            There is nothing criminal or wrong in eating meat. People have been doing it for centuries in Vedic India itself and will continue to do so till the need for taking food is there for human beings.

            As far as human anatomy is concerned, it supports both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food digestion.

            And I will continue to hate paneer. It is a sub-standard and very poor substitute of meat.

          • roger says

            “Also, I don’t eat humans because it is not natural to eat one’s own kind.” how do you know its natural or not? Please explain.

          • says

            If we start eating each other for food, we cannot have a society and we cannot have harmonious relations with each other. If you are constantly in danger of being hunted and eaten by me what kind of a life will you have ?

            Are you so stupid that you need explanations for this ? Don’t ask me nonsense questions.

          • roger says

            “As far as human anatomy is concerned, it supports both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food digestion.”

            No its not, Meat can be a convenient source of energy, but it’s not healthy for us. For example, when humans eat cholesterol-laden foods like meat, our cholesterol goes up, and we get artherosclerosis. Animals which are truly optimized for eating meat don’t have this problem.

          • says

            If meat is not healthy then why were people eating it in India since ancient times ? All the Pandavas and the Kauravas ate meat. In the Ramayana period, people ate meat. Just because you don’t know or don’t want to know does not mean this is not true.

            In the Ashwamedha Yagya, the horse used for it was sacrificed and its meat was fed to the King and the priests as prasad.

            Check your facts.

          • Amitesh says

            @Achitanya

            Now I am sure you are not an IIT ian but but just another Idiot in the block ! This comment of yours not only exposes you but also your first cousin brother who is a scholar of Sanskrit, Urdu and Persian and is educated at Oxford University.

            “If meat is not healthy then why were people eating it in India since ancient times ?”

            How about this analogy – If rape is bad, why everyother day we find rape cases in different parts of country ! What say ?

            “All the Pandavas and the Kauravas ate meat. In the Ramayana period, people ate meat. Just because you don’t know or don’t want to know does not mean this is not true.”

            Scholar Saheb, this comment of yours further exposes your ignorance. Wherein Ramayana did you find people eating meat ! Further, Agniveer has already cleared this that these are all part of later day interpolations and should be outrightly rejected as they are not in tandem with the Vedas. But “Scholars” like you continue with these polemics, to justify their killing of innocent animals for their taste.

            “In the Ashwamedha Yagya, the horse used for it was sacrificed and its meat was fed to the King and the priests as prasad.”

            Now this comment finally exposes your knowledge derived from an oxford alumnii and also that instead to checking facts yourself you merely refer to perverts like D.N.Jha to justify your eating of animals . Kindly refer the page – http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/

            Check your facts, Saheb !

          • says

            By the way, what do you think is the reason for the existence of a chicken and a goat ? Are they comparable to humans ? Do they have some higher purpose of existence than us ?

            And why does vegetarianism has no effect on a person’s violent tendencies ? Hitler was a vegetarian.

      • hindu militant says

        I dont need to give my name or prove my credentials. I just give you my surname just do a search on google, you will know that I am a rajput. I am vegetarian BY CHOICE. If somebody FORCES his vegetarianism on me, I kill a cow and eat it.
        I know honour. If I have to fight with you, (a fellow hindu) I will give my name and address and fight you from the front. But when it comes to my enemy, (muslims) i stab them in the back when they are bending down to pray in a mosque. I dont care for honour.
        The last hindu king of India, Prithviraj chauhan, a rajput, did the same mistake with mohammed ghauri, After ghauri dropped his weapon, he forgave him, as a matter of honour. India is still reaping the mistake . Chauhan, should have killed him even after ghauri dropped his weapon. I care two hoots for honour. Not with this enemy.

        • says

          Dear Mr. Militant

          While there is no doubt about the bravery of Prithiviraj Chauhan, this is also the fact that he lost half his army and his most capable generals while abducting Sanyogita from Kannauj.

          Alha and Udal, the brave generals of the Chandela king Parmal who was father of Sanyogita, are immortalized in the poem Alha Khand which calls Prithviraj Chauhan as a criminal and describes the heroics of Alha & Udal along with another Muslim general of the Kannauj Rajputs named Talhan Syed in the battle of Mahoba.

          Alha, Udal, & Talhan Syed managed to kill off a substantial part of Prithviraj Chauhan’s army while he was abducting and taking Sanyogita to Delhi.

          This weakened Prithviraj Chauhan’s army so much that he fought Ghori next time in alliance with 150 Rajput kings which brought only chaos to his army and his end.

          To this day, the bravery of Alha & Udal is immortalized by Alha songs sung in their honour in Bundelkhand in Uttar Pradesh.

          When religion is used to mobilize people for war or political purposes, it tends to simplify things. The same Mohammad Ghori is believed to have attacked Lahore in alliance with a Hindu King of Jammu name Vijaya Dev as researched by some historians.

          • says

            There is no evidence of the story of Sanyogita and Prithviraj affair being true apart from those tales which are filled with a lot more proven anomalies. If one tries to work out the distance between empires of Jaichand and Prithviraj and go into detail how even flourishing of such a love affair would have been possible, leave aside the issue of feasibility of eloping on a horse back, one would realize that these are merely gossip tales glamorized by poets for different reasons than history.

            Also Alha Khand is not a standard poem and has innumerable different versions. Yes, there may have been battle between Bundelis and Prithviraj, and there is no hiding of the fact that terrorists took advantage of our internal strife and ill practices, but that does not make Ghori anything less than a terrorist, and Chisti a traitor who supported him.

          • says

            The distance between Prithviraj Chauhan and Sanyogita was around 500 kms. It is not un-feasible for somebody who is a king to have a long distance affair in those times.

            Re-read your history and re-do your research.

        • says

          What is your opinion on Hemu ? Hemu was the Hindu king of Delhi who was once a grain and weapons merchant in Varanasi. He supplied grain and weapons including cannons to Sher Shah Suri and rose to be his trusted confidante. When Sher Shah died, Hemu rose even further up the ranks as Sher Shah’s successors were incapable and one of them was even insane.

          When Akbar as a young boy of 16 returned to India to claim Delhi for the Mughals, Delhi was under the rule of Hemu who was recognized as a King by both the Pathans as well as the Hindus.

          In fact, all the Pathan generals of Sher Shah Suri fought under Hemu against Akbar and not a single one of them betrayed Hemu.

          • says

            Who says that all Muslims are traitors or criminals? But fact is that almost all those people who are glorified as representatives of Islam or Muslim rule were nothing but butchers. The common Muslim is fooled to glorify terrorists like Timur, Qasim, Akbar, Shajahan, Babur, Aurangzeb, Ghazni, Salar Ghazi, Moinuddin Chisti, Afzal Khan etc. You yourself admit that Pathan generals were with Hemu. But a foreigner terrorist, Akbar, who was descendant of Timur and Chenghis Khan came from outside to butcher innumerable and rule over Indians. Why the hell would Akbar come to claim Delhi when he did not even belong to India? And why would he then kill innocent people including old father of Hemu who was not even fighting? Its a shame that such terrorists are glorified and others defend them when their reality is exposed. Better have chapters on Ashfaqullah, Gaffar Khan, Hakim Khan Sur Pathan who worked for Indian interests than foriegn terrorists who were interested in killing and establishing Harams.

          • says

            Mr. Indian History

            You have a bias against all Mughals. Akbar proved to be one of the most religiously tolerant and liberal Emperors in Indian history.

            He appointed Raja Todar Mal, Sher Shah Suri’s Revenue Minister, as the Revenue Minister for the Mughal Empire, patronized Birbal, Tansen and many talented Hindus.

            He started recruiting non-Brahmin castes also like Kayasthas in government service and ended Brahmin monopoly of govt. service.

            His bodyguards were Rajputs.

            This tradition continued and his grandson Dara Shikoh even translated Hindu scriptures into Persian.

            The aberration was Aurangzeb but after him things were back to normal between Hindus and Muslims.

            So much so that in 1857, the mutiny started by Mangal Pandey in Meerut was in the name of Bahadur Shah Zafar, the last Mughal Emperor.

            The definition of foreign and national has always been dynamic in India.

          • says

            Dear Amitesh ji

            History is a dynamic science and new interpretations always keep coming. If the evidence is credible enough I will change my views but I won’t believe anything blindly. That is my nature. :)

          • says

            Also, can you tell me that if Akbar was such an evil person, why did his empire endure and why is he known as a symbol of religious tolerance even before Marxist historians ? This is a puzzle.

          • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

            @Achintya : Ashok was a greater(by your standards) king than Akbar but he was the most ruthless king “chand Ashok” in the prime of your kingdom, what made his kingdom Last?till he gave up everything (had he not done that he would have been the greatest king of all Times)
            I don’t understand what is “Religious tolerance” what kind of twisted and misunderstood concept is that.
            do you mean that akbar tolerated Hindu religion by forcefully occupying the lands of Hindu origin, please use you independent thinking rather than the movie views of the likes of jodha akbar.
            if i occupy a house(by killing the head of the family and all others capable of being opponents.) and then let rest of people do their rituals would i be great??

          • Amitesh says

            @Achintya

            “Also, can you tell me that if Akbar was such an evil person, why did his empire endure”

            This is like asking, if Osama Bim Laden is evil, how come American’s unable to punish him !

            “why is he known as a symbol of religious tolerance even before Marxist historians”

            Your Red Herrings won’t work here. The article takes reference from Akbar – the Great Mogul by Vincent Smith, Akbarnama by Abul Fazl, Ain-e-Akbari by Abul Fazl. These “religious tolerance” are depicted in their ” dynamic science books”. Kindly elaborate you criteria of “crediblity”, so that we can evaluate it further.

          • says

            I belong to Lucknow in Uttar Pradesh and I also have roots in Allahabad, Bareilly and Badaun. My father spent a significant part of his academic life in Agra. My family history in Lucknow alone goes back 300 years.

            All these places are full of landmarks and stories about the harmony in which Hindus and Muslims lived under Akbar’s rule. My family elders have told these stories to generations of our family progeny.

            Akbar started his own religion called Din-i-Ilahi which was an amalgamation of various religious concepts.

            As I told you earlier, he had many Hindus in key positions and he broke the monopoly of the Brahmin caste in government jobs.

            Humayun, Akbar’s father, had Hindu soldiers in his Army. The language Urdu, which is a mixture of Persian, Awadhi and Brajbhasha, was developed by these soldiers to communicate amongst themselves.

            The word Urdu means ‘Military camp’ in Persian.

            This is my knowledge from family and historical sources.

            We have 80 to 100 year old books on Medieval period in India in our ancestral house that detail the rules of various rulers of the medieval period.

          • says

            Finally, my first cousin brother is a scholar of Sanskrit, Urdu and Persian and is educated at Oxford University.

            I know him and trust his views more than yours.

            Your sources of knowledge are new to me and I don’t really trust them.

            I trust my own family because they are my blood and blood is thicker than water.

          • Amitesh says

            @Achintya

            So finally when you had nothing substantial to say, you resorted to hyperboles ! Good !

            Brother, one humble request, Pls don’t write IIT Kharagpur’s web address when you comment. Coz’ your kind of logics would put any IITian to shame .

            Cheers !

          • says

            My dear Mr. Amitesh.

            My logic does not appeal to you because you want to prove to me that you are right and I am wrong.

            You don’t have an open mind at all.

            About IIT, I am an IITian and if you come to campus I will introduce you to certain people who are Hindus but their interpretation of the Epics and Vedas will give you a heart attack.

            And you won’t be able to win with them in logic.

          • Amitesh says

            Ab bewkoofon ki bheed hai to hum kya karen Achitanya Bhai.

            Anyways, I rest my case here. I think the above comments would suffice for any wise person to come to his/her conclusion.

          • says

            I also rest my case Mr. Amitesh. Before coming to IIT I was also a frog in the well with my own belief system quite similar to yours. But here in the last three years my eyes have been opened to so much diversity in opinion about the same thing that I have been forced to think and change my views.

            It was in IIT that I first heard the very innovative and unique interpretation of Ramayana and Mahabharata and the Vedas as a tool of caste domination and the concept of constant struggle between the vegetarian Brahmins and the omnivorous non-Brahmin castes for control over the Hindu religion and that too from a Dalit student from Tamil Nadu as well as a Thakur student from my state, Uttar Pradesh. And their interpretations sound very logical when one hears it even though I might not agree with it.

            Anyways, to cut a long story short, there are no one interpretations of the Vedas and various scriptures but there is indeed some intersection and areas of common agreement between different people.

          • says

            Mr. Indian History

            When I say that Pathan generals were with Hemu, I ‘assert’ this fact which I have gathered from credible resources and not ‘admit’ as you say.

            The word ‘admit’ is not to be used here.

            Please correct your English Grammar.

    • Rajat Chakraborty says

      I agree with you Hindu Militant.

      Dont Bring religion to your food plate – This is what Swami Vivekananda said

  10. says

    Dear Mr. Vik.

    (1) Caste is man made and so is religion.

    (2) Not everybody in this world can survive on lentils and chick peas. While it is true that there are vegetarian body builders and wrestlers, it is also true that many people’s bodies cannot assimilate vegetable protein and is more suited to animal protein. For example, I get a stomach upset when I eat paneer while I can easily digest chicken, mutton and fish. Please check with your doctor for more details on why it is so.

    (3) Nobody in this world is or can be 100% non-vegetarian. Everybody needs vegetables to digest their food, even carnivorous animals like Lions and Tigers eat grass to digest their kills, so your iteration on ‘the cult of non-vegetarianism’ is not logical.

    My diet consists of 95% fruits and vegetables and 5% non-vegetarian items. I don’t think that this makes me ‘non-vegetarian’.

    Kindly put things in perspective before expressing your views

    And finally, on plants, read more about them before commenting. No plant wants to be killed and when you pluck a fruit, the plant does feel pain if you don’t do it right.

    Also, if you follow the Jhatka method of slaughter and the blade is very sharp, the animal which you kill does not feel any pain either. And, for your information, during the time of slaughter or the time of a fight, an animal’s nervous system shuts down so that it does not feel pain for a brief period of time. If you don’t believe me then kindly do some research on it yourself.

    • prasad says

      @ Achintya Nath Sexena
      “Animals do not have feelings and they don’t have the power of differentiation. Animals are created for human beings”. All the above said arguments about animals are absolutely wrong. Each and every animal is clearly aware of its life cycle. They can differentiate between the materials that are eatable and not eatable. They express their love towards their young ones. The cow licking its calf, the hen which broods on the egg for days with out going for food, are all examples of expression of love in animals. The Kangaroo which carries the young one in its pouch, the monkey which carries its new born in its belly the elephants that moves like a procession with their young ones are all express the noble feeling of love. The dog which runs when throwing a slow, the elephant that groans when it was caned are reflecting the feeling of fear. The parrot that calls the name of its master, the dog that ways its tail to show its gratitude have the power of memory. The dog which is dominant in its master’s house never barks at strangers when it walks through the public road. What is the reason behind the migration of birds from one place to other every year? The cat has the sense of covering its feces with soil. If we train them carefully with love and care most of the animals including Gorilla understand the human language and obey it. It is a pity that man born in a village or town does not understand the language of animals. So in this matter it can be said that human beings are inferior to animals. We kill and eat the animals on the ground that they cannot feel and think if that is the case, it is applicable to a new born child. It is clear that animals have the feeling of fear, angel, pain, sorrow, hunger, desire to live, tiredness etc.
      When a cow or buffalo is killed for its meat using a knife it suffers from severe physical pain. They eyes bulges out due to pain. Just imagine the severe pain when the sharp knife pierces through its skin. Can we imagine such a situation in which the knife passes through the skin of one whom we love………………..?

    • prasad says

      @ Achintya Nath Sexena
      Do plants have life, pain and is it not sin to eat them?
      The answer for this question can be understood only by approaching the question with a broad and open mind.
      1.
      Plants grow and reproduce. So they have life.
      2.
      It is clear that plants do not have nerves or the pain that passes through the nerves.
      3.
      Nature supply the food materials for all the living organisms for its existence. They are also given the ability and body structure to use whatever materials needed.
      4.
      When the fruits and leaves of plants a reused, the plants will not destroy completely. Most often it will be needed for its proper growth.
      5.
      When the branches and tender stems are taken from the plants the plants produce more leaves and branches and thereby it gets new energy.
      6.
      Each fruits contain certain factors which will not be useful to plants for its germination and growth. This naturally attract human beings birds and animals. The fleshy part of Mango, banana, Jackfruit, Apple, Pine apple etc. do not play any role in plant’s growth. But it is a blessing for other animals.
      7.
      A tree may produce hundreds or thousands of seeds. That means nature may have for seen the natural destruction of some of these seeds. If all these seeds fall at the bottom of the tree and germinate? But it is different in the case of animals. Man can use only the milk and hair of animals without killing them. It is not possible to take pieces from animals.
      8.
      There is no useless organ or part for an animal. If a part is cut and removed it will not grow again.
      9.
      The reproductive capacity of animals is not infinite as in the case of plants. Cow, buffalo, Goat etc give birth only 5 to 25 young ones in its life time.
      10.
      Animals clearly have pain, fear etc. But plants do not have these feelings. When it is killed blood losses from its body as in the case of human beings.
      11.
      In plants the leaves and fruits fall down occasionally. But it is of there in animals. Nature has blessed every organism with the ability tomake use of necessary materials for their food, and to search for its food.
      12.
      Carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere and the salt and minerals in the each are the food for plants and trees. The food for micro organisms is decomposed materials, for soil for earth form, rat for snake other animals for lion and tiger. Nature has divided the type of food for these animals. Even if it contain toxin it will not affect them. It has proved that non vegetarian food leads to a lot of health problems. So man should avoid taking non vegetarian food. Alcohol is a poison which kills a person gradually. Non vegetarian food is similar to this. That is why non vegetarian food is considered as poisonous.

  11. Satyen says

    Though I would like to see every human being a 100% vegetarian, it may take many years to become so if at all. However, it is a noble idea which even Vivekananda (whom many non-vegetarians quote) accepted as a fact . ‘ Who can deny the benefits of vegetarianism’, he said once while chatting with some of his disciples and/or visitors. But he wanted an average Hindu to be physically strong as most of them specially the Bengalis were emaciated in those days (though they eat fish!). What I mean to say is we should accept satvic intake (ahar) as the ideal which is a subset of vegetarianism and try to take the steps towards it. It may be quick for somebody but may not be so for everyone. But putting efforts this compassionate and beneficial ideology must be supported. Mr Saxena is well on his path to it as his 95% food consists of plant products.

    The favorite excuse for the non-vegetarians is plants have also life and it makes little difference whether we kill plants or animals. But if we think honestly, do we afflict plants by plucking the fruits or milking cows? Do we afflict when we cut the dead paddy/wheat/corn crops? Moreover, plants don’t have so acute feelings of pain or sorrow. This doesn’t mean that vegetarian food habit is the only virtue and a vegetarian has the freedom to adopt all other vices. Mr. Saxena is doing a commendable work if he is fighting the wrong doers.

    Lastly, there are vegetarians in every caste and sect. I have seen many Rajputs (albeit less in number compared to Brahmans) who are proud vegetarians.

    • says

      Thank You for the article but if I have to stop eating meat I won’t make my decision on this article. Meat constitutes hardly 5% of my diet unlike the person who wrote this article.

      My guess is that it was written by a 100% meat eating American who is a recent convert to vegetarianism.

      I believe in balanced diet which has sufficient proportions of Milk, Vegetables, Fruits, and meat for good health.

  12. says

    We reject none, neither theist, nor pantheist, monist, polytheist, agnostic, nor atheist; the only condition of being a disciple is modelling a character at once the broadest and the most intense. Nor do we insist upon particular codes of morality as to conduct, or character, or eating and drinking, except so far as it injures others.
    Whatever retards the onward progress or helps the downward fall is vice; whatever helps in coming up and becoming harmonised is virtue.
    We leave everybody free to know, select, and follow whatever suits and helps him. Thus, for example, eating meat may help one, eating fruit another. Each is welcome to his own peculiarity, but he has no right to criticise the conduct of others, because that would, if followed by him, injure him, much less to insist that others should follow his way. A wife may help some people in this progress, to others she may be a positive injury. But the unmarried man has no right to say that the married disciple is wrong, much less to force his own ideal of morality upon his brother.
    We believe that every being is divine, is God. Every soul is a sun covered over with clouds of ignorance, the difference between soul and soul is owing to the difference in density of these layers of clouds. We believe that this is the conscious or unconscious basis of all religions, and that this is the explanation of the whole history of human progress either in the material, intellectual, or spiritual plane — the same Spirit is manifesting through different planes.
    We believe that this is the very essence of the Vedas.
    We believe that it is the duty of every soul to treat, think of, and behave to other souls as such, i.e. as Gods, and not hate or despise, or vilify, or try to injure them by any manner or means. This is the duty not only of the Sannyasin, but of all men and women.
    The soul has neither sex, nor caste, nor imperfection. We believe that nowhere throughout the Vedas, Darshanas, or Puranas, or Tantras, is it ever said that the soul has any sex, creed, or caste. Therefore we agree with those who say, “What has religion to do with social reforms?” But they must also agree with us when we tell them that religion has no business to formulate social laws and insist on the difference between beings, because its aim and end is to obliterate all such fictions and monstrosities….
    Social laws were created by economic conditions under the sanction of religion. The terrible mistake of religion was to interfere in social matters. But how hypocritically it says and thereby contradicts itself, “Social reform is not the business of religion”! True, what we want is that religion should not be a social reformer, but we insist at the same time that society has no right to become a religious law – giver. Hands off! Keep yourself to your own bounds and everything would come right.
    Education is the manifestation of the perfection already in man.
    Religion is the manifestation of the Divinity already in man.
    Therefore the only duty of the teacher in both cases is to remove all obstructions from the way. Hands off! as I always say, and everything will be right. That is, our duty is to clear the way. The Lord does the rest.

    Swami Vivekananda (Complete Works Vol. IV, Pages 356-60)

    http://www.sriramakrishna.org/whatwebelieve.php

      • says

        Not only long back, but it also seems to be a very long one too :)

        Well, in my past 11 years of spiritual seeking I have come across the following different interpretations of the Vedic concept of food. I will summarize them below :-

        (1) Eat and drink whatever suits your health and decide for yourself. Food is not the only factor in spiritual progress.

        (2) Eat vegetables and fruits and drink milk. That is the only true diet. Alcohol and Drugs like Bhang are OK.

        (3) Eat vegetarian food but no onion or garlic. Brinjal has negative vibes. Anything that grows beneath the ground is not to be eaten. Drink milk and eat fruits. Alcohol is prohibited. Drugs like Bhang are allowed or prohibited depending on whose interpretation you are hearing/reading.

        (4) Don’t eat cooked vegetables. Eat only boiled vegetables. No onion, garlic or masala. Don’t eat Brinjal. Don’t eat anything that grows below the ground. Fruits and milk are OK. No Alcohol or Drugs.

        (5) Don’t eat grain (!) No wheat, no rice, no nothing. Eat only vegetables except brinjal, onion, garlic and anything that grows underground. Fruits and milk OK. No Alcohol or Drugs.

        (6) Only eat raw vegetables and fruits. No grain. Drink milk. Drugs like Bhang can be taken if your Guru tells you so otherwise strictly prohibited. Alcohol is absolutely no. (Closest to Swami Ramdev’s diet- he does not take any Drugs).

        Interestingly, each and every one of them claims to be the only true interpretation of the Vedas.

        Personally, I am more comfortable with the first interpretation as it gives me maximum freedom to choose :)

        What do you say Mr. Arya ?

        • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

          :)
          people interpret things the way that suits them the best, as you have.
          its said :
          “Only those get Lost who have not reached the destination”
          its is also true that NOTHING matters when one has attained the oneness.(e.g. food, life stye etc)

          but till then even the slightest of negative vibe in any of the factors that play a path in the spiritual path can be detrimental to the spiritual progress.
          For e.g for meat eaters its almost impossible to reach the state of Turya.
          and if that is not possible there is no way one can do dhyan sadhna, if that cannot be done, one cannot and will not make progress on the spiritual path.

          Om Tat Sat.

        • adolf says

          As snakes eat snakes ( same species) you can eat any human beings too.
          Just because an animal cant speak in you language you have every right to kill it.Apply the same logic to humans who are not able to defend themselves and eat them too that will some day get rid of you and me.
          Dont stop with chicken and mutton eat dogs and lizards too because they are abundant and they dont cost much.
          every thing is accepted in your hinduism,dont know how far charvaka might have gone, but you definitley can establish a new form of hinduism,the true law might is right.

  13. says

    dear mr saxena,why dont u stil try to understand the truth?the article i posted proves with no speck of ambiguity that humans are herbivores.when truth glows with its full effulgence like a million suns before u, why mocking at it? Why stil in darkness?i think further talks on this is waste of time.
    Pranams..

  14. Satyen says

    Respected Agniveer jee,

    Can your team come up with an article promoting Saatvic Ahaar that encompasses everything we interact through our five senses with mind attached with each of them? In fact, vegetarianism in the present form has become a wrong interpretation. Accepting this interpretation, many people justify consuming drugs, bhang, Dhatura and liquor etc. Similarly, many people cite examples of unbecoming behavior of strict vegetarians forgetting that the total intake of Satvik, Rajasik and Tamsik ahaar through all the senses determines ones behavior. Moreover, his intake of previous births also matters. So, even if a person has complete vegetarian diet but not satvik, he cannot become satvik in his behavior. Another case could be even though his food is satvik but he lives in a bad company and talks just the Tamsic sermons whole day, what is going to happen to him or her? Therefore, it’s sum total of the various forces (vectors) determining the resultant one. Perhaps, this explains why even a vegetarian could be not so a good person while sometimes a non-vegetarian is.

    Somebody, told me that I am an American recent convert to vegetarian and that makes me a hardened vegetarian. Without any malice, I let the brother know that I have left eating fish at the age of 12 in India when I saw a goat being killed in a halal way. I have protested all type of killings, and don’t use leather shoes, fur coats, egg shampoo or soaps made from fat. I don’t believe in arguments with rigid people but always propose it to them. In arguments, many times, ego of various sorts (of knowledge, talent, money and so forth) come up and blinds both the parties and the noble cause is put to the back burner.

    Anyway, let’s go ahead thro’ all these hurdles and ultimately see the truth winning.

    OM Tat Sat.

  15. miracles quran says

    Agniveer Questions

    1. Are all animals & birds need to vegetarian?

    2. Why there is carnivorous & herbivorous term then?

    3. Do animals & birds need to believe in Vedas?

    4. Why they are different races & skin colors any proof in Vedas?

    • says

      Answer to miracles:

      a. No, other animals are supposed to eat as per their natural traits. Only human is supposed to be vegetarian. Because he alone has the intellect to think of right and wrong, think of environment, think of God/Allah, think of health, think of economic benefits, think of compassion etc.

      b. For same reason that there are terms like killing, being naked, having intercourse in open, incest etc.

      c. No, animals and birds cannot believe in Vedas or Quran or Bible or anything. That is prerogative of humans.

      d. Because with changes in geography and climate, living beings acclimatize over a period of time. Like Vedas, Quran also believes that in beginning there were many human beings and then civilization began.

      • miracles quran says

        Agniveer its so selfish thought

        1&2. Why Ishwar created animals then? Does Ishwar feels happy seeing animals doing this you mention? What is the duty of human for animals then? Only human are best and forget @ animals let them eat what they can. If animals had no sense of thought they neva live for so many years. It sounds like very selfish to me

        3. What? first you say the 1st person is manu now you say civilization exists before Vedas.Acording to Quran Allah has created man, angels & jinns.
        can you stop posting links & simply post English verses and chapters of Vedas to refer. sorry to hurt you, but ur article looks tedious.

        Peace Be Upon You.

        • says

          1&2 – Humans become animals and animals become humans in different births as per their deeds. So soul is same. If you do bad things in this life, to face consequence and have chance to get rid of bad tendencies, you will become an appropriate animal. Animal birth is like an operation theater. You are operated by destiny – managed by Ishwar – to get rid of diseased tendencies.

          3. When did I say manu is first person? Manu was first person to give a codified law. I never said civilization existed before Vedas. I said that humans existed before vedas and Vedas gave them civilization.

          According to Quran, many men and women were born at same time. I am not saying this. Your greatest scholar is saying so.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTCXyTOTBk4

          Our articles are targeted towards intellectuals and may look tedious to many. But we have constraints to make it more simple. So we would request to take pains to review the articles once if you want to discover truth.

          Dhanyavad

  16. says

    dear miracles quran,
    1.agniveer or anyone would never tell all animals need to be vegtrn.there are animals called carnivores which are designed to eat meat,and there are herbivores which are designed to eat plant and plant products. Anatomically humans are designed to be herbivores.see a link given few comments above ur comment to analyse urself.
    2.see above
    3.vedas were revealed to humans.liberally speaking, they are guidelines for us as to how to live.animals,birds etc do not have questions to be answered,they are not curious for knowledge,they do not want to know mysteries of natrure etc. So we need vedas,not them.
    4.according to quran and bible the first humans were adam and eve.so if they had fair skin,as per genetics,we all should have fair skin. If they were caucasian, how did negroes,asian,aborigines,hispanic,and many types of human emerge?!
    Such a question doesnt arise when analysing vedas,bcs it is said that thousands of humans were created asexually and they were youths.
    Pranams

  17. says

    dear miracles quran,
    1.agniveer or anyone would never tell all animals need to be vegtrn.there are animals called carnivores which are designed to eat meat,and there are herbivores which are designed to eat plant and plant products. Anatomically humans are designed to be herbivores.see a link given few comments above ur comment to analyse urself.
    2.see above
    3.vedas were revealed to humans.liberally speaking, they are guidelines for us as to how to live.animals,birds etc do not have questions to be answered,they are not curious for knowledge,they do not want to know mysteries of natrure etc. So we need vedas,not them.
    4.according to quran and bible the first humans were adam and eve.so if they had fair skin,as per genetics,we all should have fair skin. If they were caucasian, how did negroes,asian,aborigines,hispanic,and many types of human races emerge?!
    Such a question doesnt arise when analysing vedas,bcs it is said that thousands of humans were created asexually and they were youths.
    Pranams

    • miralces quran says

      I am still awaiting Agniveer to answer……

      Dear Sarang,

      1&2. If Ishwar preaches to eat Veg. Then why he created meat eating animals?
      Doesnt Ishwar sense the pain of an animal?

      3. It is so selfish & rude of you to say that :we need Vedas not them(animals or birds)”
      So thats wat Ishwar preaches in Vedas?

      4. Kindly share verses from Vedas on comment you made to gain my knowledge. I will wait for this verses.

      Peace Be Upon You & mankind.

      • says

        1&2: Ishwar created these species so that those souls who do wrong deeds as humans can take birth as animals, face the results of their deeds, get rid of wrong instincts and then can take birth as humans again to use their intellect. Read FAQ on Theory of Karma and Vedic Lessons line by line.

        3. We need Vedas because we have intellect. Only humans can understand books. I am not sure how many birds and animals understand Quran either.

        4. Why Vedas, even Quran followers now interpret Quran to refute Adam Eve theory. Do you need evidence? Read Chapter 8 of Satyarth Prakash for more on this.

        Blessings

        • San says

          Dear respected Agniveer;

          Conditioning makes a person when we rise above our conditioning, We start to understand reality. Disagreement animals do not suffer because of past human birth the argument has many fallacies, but in modern condition do suffer from human cruelty. First to think the story of Hanuman, Garuad , cows who benefited human kind. Do people think animals which according to Hindus having such achievements down fallen would be incorrect as all souls are considered equal according to Hindus. This bring basic themes of Ramayana was talking about human and animal equality between them, friendship and brotherhood. Now Mahabharat starts to speak of Human and human class differences and disrespect animals as inferior like Beam how arrogantly tries to lift Hanumans tail and how saintly, soft, caring is Hanuman where we see his words there is no arrogance or ego. So like a cat or tiger thinks himself superior so kills without remorse, so to humans view the world.

          In comparison to animals, humans are much crueler. Look at animals are caged and from birth till death, no animal can be as cruel as human, feed hormones never to taste freedom living in filthy conditions on antibiotics, or the discrimination just between humans, slavery/genocide etc. The main purpose an animal kills is for food, and like a tiger or lion they cut the arteries causing almost instant death, but humans are much more cruel as only some of the animals kill, other animals are peaceful and vegetarian.. They human kill for killing sake, for pleasure, and for taste. Such cruelty only a humane could do
          .
          If we look at many countries like Ethopia, Somalia, war zone the different classes poor and rich, human suffering knows no bound. Few live in luxury rest suffer in extremes as environmental pollution, environmental disaster take away from quality of life.’
          The killing of animals/plants etc. this is the biggest extinction period in last 500 million years. Millions of species including plant, animal and other are lost to the world even human culture.. Why have human population grown so much is that of animals has declined. SO IT IS NOT HUMAN TAKING BIRTH AS ANIMALS BUT ANIMALS TAKING BIRTH AS HUMANS. We suffer and is the cause of population explosion of humans as there is hardly any animal life left. Same with the genocide of nature worshipers as half the languages of the world have disappear through this genocide erasing of history.
          .
          In the Asian tsunami of 2004 it was the animals who sensed the danger first and not the human as they were not even alert their technology being backwards. Such is the intelligent of animals still far more advance in certain area and senses. Like the ancient who could identify seven rays of the sun, six of them are indivisible to naked eye as science says, but from where was it from their knowledge of plants and animal, there observation of certain changes in certain light, time.. Or was like the street dog that could identify cancer in humans which even detectors failed to guess saying a 99% accuracy exactly identifying and locating the cancer. We don’t know because we have become too arrogant in our nature.

          Could we say that animals do curse and have feelings like many stories have foretold, I would guess a person who I met who owns a leather factory his son has no skin such strange disease are noted. Meat eating is associated with many genetic diseases so people suffer in unknown ways. As meat eating is associated with many disease like heart, cancer, brain damage, flue to common colds, so many disease not to mention pollution and environmental damage..

          It is suggest that since you quite intelligent Agniveer that you read science geology, chemistry, basics of physics, anthropology, history, biology and see the reality of the world instead of making animals suffering due to human sins and considering something lower of them. We must become more human not cruel. We must think not assume. It is one of the most difficult things to do. One nice thing is libraries which are done for free such education. I suggest skim it gain some concepts.Like evolution, environmental destruction.

          Like if one see the Island of Galapagos some interesting facts how those animals who hardly seen humans behave. We see the animals of Galapagos trying to communicate with humans, or maybe not communicate but a better word curious as too what human are so they come close by? But you go to America the same street dog that sleeps on the road in India dares not for there is a certain type of person who upon seeing a dog on the road would deliberately run it over with great pleasure, and score a notch as an achievement. So we not see dogs sleeping in the middle of road in America as we do India. The cow are too much different they say a bull is one number one killers of human but bulls are eaten there. It is strange seeing such fear in animals that they run upon the site of human. We see humans there eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner what they eat. We see too the greatest genocide or extinction period known to man as man is too cruel..

  18. says

    http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/

    miracle,
    pls dont beat around the bush.
    kindly read the above article and spread among ur fellowmen.
    Brother i am not against islam.i have the intension of helping u.we are all born humans,then only we become muslim,hindu,or watever.we just want u to think out of quran. As agniveer rays,analyse rationaly,then accept truth,reject falsehood.
    Expecting ur reply after reading that article.

  19. smital says

    i have heard zakir naik say that people eating meat is allowed in islam, n even muhammad supports it too……he goes on continuing saying such rubbish n disgusting thing like humans have a set of canine teeth n god have gave us cattle so we can have it if we want n bla bla bla………. if this message can be sent to him i wll be very pleased , mr. agniveer……. he even adds that our digestive system is made in such a way that it can digest meat n thus he conclude that god wants us to have meat other wise he would not have given us with theese abilities……( NOW I HAVE A DOUBT IS HE A DOCTOR OR A GADHON YA JANVARON KA DOCTOR??????)
    to all non eaters n the followers of ZALIM KHALNAYAK ” 1)human teeth r completely meant to eat vegetarian n vegetarian food only n abt the set of canine teeth mr idiotic naik is talking about well some veg food are hard substances how will u tear those then? 2)if we humans were meant to tear n eat flesh why r our teeth not like a dog, cat, lion leopard crocodile, etc etc i can go on n on……..3) our digestive system can only easily digest veg food, in the case of non veg food it takes 72 hours to digest until that time it becomes poison……..just for a case put the meat in open air for 72 hrs u ll run away from it hi hi………….. 4)he also adds up that meat eating is good for health its high in protein etc etc……in this case its a world renowned fact that vegiterianism is far better than non veg…..non veg eaters have the higest possibilitis of stroke, high calories higher amount of unwanted fat n what not. all the worst diseases caused by non veg……. n this is wat he says abt non eating ” as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it…..” he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures ” NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT????????” first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans “beeing” carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor…… ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQNawjcJg4 )……..now part of the cruelty thing….. how cruel is that allah who allows the flesh of the animals the throat of the animals to be choped off just for the sake of his taste bud……… i saw a video of urs agniveer in which slaughtering of cows was shown….. my eyes were filled with tears n i couldnt see it…….. what kind of god his allah is that he cannot feel the pain of the animals……… how would Mr. zalim khalnaik feel if his throat would be sliced just like those animals…….. this type of PAAPIS must be thrown out of this world……. he is not only leading peolpe towards a wrong path bt also false interpreting the vedas in his own way as he like………. Mr. agniveer u must take serious actions about such people n come forward n hit them hard such that they can never ever think of trying to misslead the people about vedas or any hindu scripture……… U WLL HAVE TO MAKE A DEBATE SO THE WHOLE WORLD SEES THIS IDIOT BEEING SLAMED……..BUT U HAVE TO BEE PREPARED COZ HE IS A LIAR N MIND IT A BRILLIANT LIAR….. HE CAN ALLURE PEOPLE BY HOOK OR BY CROOK EITHER BY THE TRUTH OR HE WONT MIND EVEN FALLACIES….. HE HAS BRAIN, I ADMIT BUT JUST SEE WHAT HE IS USING IT FOR………HE MUST BE BANNED FROM INDIA TOO………..

    Regards
    smital ( ur FB frnd)

  20. smital says

    i have heard zakir naik say that people eating meat is allowed in islam, n even muhammad supports it too……he goes on continuing saying such rubbish n disgusting thing like humans have a set of canine teeth n god have gave us cattle so we can have it if we want n bla bla bla………. if this message can be sent to him i wll be very pleased , mr. agniveer……. he even adds that our digestive system is made in such a way that it can digest meat n thus he conclude that god wants us to have meat other wise he would not have given us with theese abilities……( NOW I HAVE A DOUBT IS HE A DOCTOR OR A GADHON YA JANVARON KA DOCTOR??????)
    to all non eaters n the followers of ZALIM KHALNAYAK ” 1)human teeth r completely meant to eat vegetarian n vegetarian food only n abt the set of canine teeth mr idiotic naik is talking about well some veg food are hard substances how will u tear those then? 2)if we humans were meant to tear n eat flesh why r our teeth not like a dog, cat, lion leopard crocodile, etc etc i can go on n on……..3) our digestive system can only easily digest veg food, in the case of non veg food it takes 72 hours to digest until that time it becomes poison……..just for a case put the meat in open air for 72 hrs u ll run away from it hi hi………….. 4)he also adds up that meat eating is good for health its high in protein etc etc……in this case its a world renowned fact that vegiterianism is far better than non veg…..non veg eaters have the higest possibilitis of stroke, high calories higher amount of unwanted fat n what not. all the worst diseases caused by non veg……. n this is wat he says abt non eating ” as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it…..” he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures ” NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT????????” first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans “beeing” carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor…… ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQNawjcJg4 )……..now part of the cruelty thing….. how cruel is that allah who allows the flesh of the animals the throat of the animals to be choped off just for the sake of his taste bud……… i saw a video of urs agniveer in which slaughtering of cows was shown….. my eyes were filled with tears n i couldnt see it…….. what kind of god his allah is that he cannot feel the pain of the animals……… how would Mr. zalim khalnaik feel if his throat would be sliced just like those animals…….. this type of PAAPIS must be thrown out of this world……. he is not only leading peolpe towards a wrong path bt also false interpreting the vedas in his own way as he like………. Mr. agniveer u must take serious actions about such people n come forward n hit them hard such that they can never ever think of trying to misslead the people about vedas or any hindu scripture……… U WLL HAVE TO MAKE A DEBATE SO THE WHOLE WORLD SEES THIS IDIOT BEEING SLAMED……..BUT U HAVE TO BEE PREPARED COZ HE IS A LIAR N MIND IT A BRILLIANT LIAR….. HE CAN ALLURE PEOPLE BY HOOK OR BY CROOK EITHER BY THE TRUTH OR HE WONT MIND EVEN FALLACIES….. HE HAS BRAIN, I ADMIT BUT JUST SEE WHAT HE IS USING IT FOR………HE MUST BE BANNED FROM INDIA TOO………..

  21. smital says

    i have heard zakir naik say that people eating meat is allowed in islam, n even muhammad supports it too……he goes on continuing saying such rubbish n disgusting thing like humans have a set of canine teeth n god have gave us cattle so we can have it if we want n bla bla bla………. if this message can be sent to him i wll be very pleased , mr. agniveer……. he even adds that our digestive system is made in such a way that it can digest meat n thus he conclude that god wants us to have meat other wise he would not have given us with theese abilities……( NOW I HAVE A DOUBT IS HE A DOCTOR OR A GADHON YA JANVARON KA DOCTOR??????)

    to all non eaters n the followers of ZALIM KHALNAYAK ”

    1)human teeth r completely meant to eat vegetarian n vegetarian food only n abt the set of canine teeth mr idiotic naik is talking about well some veg food are hard substances how will u tear those then?

    2)if we humans were meant to tear n eat flesh why r our teeth not like a dog, cat, lion leopard crocodile, etc etc i can go on n on……..

    3) our digestive system can only easily digest veg food, in the case of non veg food it takes 72 hours to digest until that time it becomes poison……..just for a case put the meat in open air for 72 hrs u ll run away from it hi hi…………..

    4)he also adds up that meat eating is good for health its high in protein etc etc……in this case its a world renowned fact that vegiterianism is far better than non veg…..non veg eaters have the higest possibilitis of stroke, high calories higher amount of unwanted fat n what not. all the worst diseases caused by non veg……. n this is wat he says abt non eating ” as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it…..” he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures ” NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT????????” first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans “beeing” carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor…… ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQNawjcJg4 )……..now part of the cruelty thing….. how cruel is that allah who allows the flesh of the animals the throat of the animals to be choped off just for the sake of his taste bud……… i saw a video of urs agniveer in which slaughtering of cows was shown….. my eyes were filled with tears n i couldnt see it…….. what kind of god his allah is that he cannot feel the pain of the animals……… how would Mr. zalim khalnaik feel if his throat would be sliced just like those animals…….. this type of PAAPIS must be thrown out of this world……. he is not only leading peolpe towards a wrong path bt also false interpreting the vedas in his own way as he like……….

    Mr. agniveer u must take serious actions about such people n come forward n hit them hard such that they can never ever think of trying to misslead the people about vedas or any hindu scripture……… U WLL HAVE TO MAKE A DEBATE SO THE WHOLE WORLD SEES THIS IDIOT BEEING SLAMED……..BUT U HAVE TO BEE PREPARED COZ HE IS A LIAR N MIND IT A BRILLIANT LIAR….. HE CAN ALLURE PEOPLE BY HOOK OR BY CROOK EITHER BY THE TRUTH OR HE WONT MIND EVEN FALLACIES….. HE HAS BRAIN, I ADMIT BUT JUST SEE WHAT HE IS USING IT FOR………HE MUST BE BANNED FROM INDIA TOO………..

  22. smital says

    i have heard zakir naik say that people eating meat is allowed in islam, n even muhammad supports it too……he goes on continuing saying such rubbish n disgusting thing like humans have a set of canine teeth n god have gave us cattle so we can have it if we want n bla bla bla………. if this message can be sent to him i wll be very pleased , mr. agniveer……. he even adds that our digestive system is made in such a way that it can digest meat n thus he conclude that god wants us to have meat other wise he would not have given us with theese abilities……( NOW I HAVE A DOUBT IS HE A DOCTOR OR A GADHON YA JANVARON KA DOCTOR??????)

    to all non eaters n the followers of ZALIM KHALNAYAK ”

    1)human teeth r completely meant to eat vegetarian n vegetarian food only n abt the set of canine teeth mr idiotic naik is talking about well some veg food are hard substances how will u tear those then?

    2)if we humans were meant to tear n eat flesh why r our teeth not like a dog, cat, lion leopard crocodile, etc etc i can go on n on……..

    3) our digestive system can only easily digest veg food, in the case of non veg food it takes 72 hours to digest until that time it becomes poison……..just for a case put the meat in open air for 72 hrs u ll run away from it hi hi…………..

    4)he also adds up that meat eating is good for health its high in protein etc etc……in this case its a world renowned fact that vegiterianism is far better than non veg…..non veg eaters have the higest possibilitis of stroke, high calories higher amount of unwanted fat n what not. all the worst diseases caused by non veg…….

    n this is wat he says abt non eating

    ” as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it…..” he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures ” NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT????????” first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans “beeing” carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor…… ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQNawjcJg4 )……..now part of the cruelty thing….. how cruel is that allah who allows the flesh of the animals the throat of the animals to be choped off just for the sake of his taste bud……… i saw a video of urs agniveer in which slaughtering of cows was shown….. my eyes were filled with tears n i couldnt see it…….. what kind of god his allah is that he cannot feel the pain of the animals……… how would Mr. zalim khalnaik feel if his throat would be sliced just like those animals…….. this type of PAAPIS must be thrown out of this world…….
    he is not only leading peolpe towards a wrong path bt also false interpreting the vedas in his own way as he like…….

    Mr. agniveer u must take serious actions about such people n come forward n hit them hard such that they can never ever think of trying to misslead the people about vedas or any hindu scripture……… U WLL HAVE TO MAKE A DEBATE SO THE WHOLE WORLD SEES THIS IDIOT BEEING SLAMED……..BUT U HAVE TO BEE PREPARED COZ HE IS A LIAR N MIND IT A BRILLIANT LIAR….. HE CAN ALLURE PEOPLE BY HOOK OR BY CROOK EITHER BY THE TRUTH OR HE WONT MIND EVEN FALLACIES….. HE HAS BRAIN, I ADMIT BUT JUST SEE WHAT HE IS USING IT FOR………HE MUST BE BANNED FROM INDIA TOO………..

  23. smital says

    i have heard zakir naik say that people eating meat is allowed in islam, n even muhammad supports it too……he goes on continuing saying such rubbish n disgusting thing like humans have a set of canine teeth n god have gave us cattle so we can have it if we want to n bla bla bla………. if this message can be sent to him i wll be very pleased , mr. agniveer……. he even adds that our digestive system is made in such a way that it can digest meat n thus he conclude that god wants us to have meat other wise he would not have given us with theese abilities……( NOW I HAVE A DOUBT IS HE A DOCTOR OR A GADHON YA JANVARON KA DOCTOR??????)

    continued>>

  24. smital says

    to all non eaters n the followers of ZALIM KHALNAYAK ”

    1)human teeth r completely meant to eat vegetarian, n vegetarian food only, n abt the set of canine teeth mr idiotic naik is talking about well some veg food are hard substances how will u tear those then?

    2)if we humans were meant to tear n eat flesh why r our teeth not like a dog, cat, lion leopard crocodile, etc etc i can go on n on……..

    3) our digestive system can only easily digest veg food, in the case of non veg food it takes 72 hours to digest until that time it becomes poison……..just for a case put the meat in open air for 72 hrs………., u ll run away from it hi hi…………..

    4)he also adds up that meat eating is good for health its high in protein etc etc……in this case its a world renowned fact that vegiterianism is far better than non veg…..non veg eaters have the higest possibilitis of stroke, high calories higher amount of unwanted fat n what not. all the worst diseases caused by non veg…….

    continued>>

  25. smital says

    n this is wat he says abt non eating

    ” as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it…..” he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures ” NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT????????” first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans “beeing” carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor…… ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQNawjcJg4 )……..now part of the cruelty thing….. how cruel is that allah who allows the flesh of the animals the throat of the animals to be choped off just for the sake of his taste bud……… i saw a video of urs agniveer in which slaughtering of cows was shown….. my eyes were filled with tears n i couldnt see it…….. what kind of god his allah is that he cannot feel the pain of the animals……… how would Mr. zalim khalnaik feel if his throat would be sliced just like those animals…….. this type of PAAPIS must be thrown out of this world…….
    he is not only leading peolpe towards a wrong path bt also false interpreting the vedas in his own way as he like…….

    Mr. agniveer u must take serious actions about such people n come forward n hit them hard such that they can never ever think of trying to misslead the people about vedas or any hindu scripture……… U WLL HAVE TO MAKE A DEBATE SO THE WHOLE WORLD SEES THIS IDIOT BEEING SLAMED……..BUT U HAVE TO BEE PREPARED COZ HE IS A LIAR N MIND IT A BRILLIANT LIAR….. HE CAN ALLURE PEOPLE BY HOOK OR BY CROOK EITHER BY THE TRUTH OR HE WONT MIND EVEN FALLACIES….. HE HAS BRAIN, I ADMIT BUT JUST SEE WHAT HE IS USING IT FOR………HE MUST BE BANNED FROM INDIA TOO………..

  26. smital says

    n this is wat he says abt non eating

    ” as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it…..” he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures ” NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT????????” first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans “beeing” carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor…… ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQNawjcJg4 )

  27. smital says

    n this is wat he says abt non eating

    as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it….. he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures ” NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT????????” first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans “beeing” carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor…… ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQNawjcJg4 )

  28. smital says

    this is whats zaki says-as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it…..he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures ” NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT????????” first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans “beeing” carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQNawjcJg4

  29. smital says

    this is what zaki says-as meat is good for health allah wants u to have every thing better so why not have it…..he also inevidently blames the veda n the mahabharatha to have meat eating…… n says that the hindus have adopted veg from other religions n other cultures… NOW HOW FUNNY IS THAT???????? first of all im not a doc n im not even a schooler of vedas….but even a simple man like me can proove his theory of humans beeing carnivorse wrong………such a funny stupid idiotic bigoted ignorent person he is………since im not a scholar of vedas n i havent even read it so dont want to talk about the rubbish he is speaking that hinduism permits non veg food etc etc…i know its fake just as i proved his theory of human carnivorism which already shows how ignorent n stupid n such a big liar he is…….i leave this job to prove him wrong about hinduism permitting non veg to u Mr. agniveer u r the best man for this job n i know since whatever he is speaking abt non veg in hindiuism is fake so i know u can proove him wrong n make his mouth stiched………… this is the video evidence of Mr. zalim khalnaik……. speaking rubbish abt non veg eating n playing the doctor……

  30. tariqaziz says

    O.k I understand that vegetarianism is a synonym of compassion for animals according to Vedas

    But what about cereals and grains like Rice and Wheat which are obtained through farming which in turn makes use of Bulls and other beasts of burden?

    Bulls are castrated in a brutal manner when it becomes an adult. The testicles are smashed by a stone…….imagine! Hence farm products like Rice and Wheat are also ill begotten foods just like meat of animals.

    Milk is also obtained by restricting the calf from having its heart full share of milk by dragging it away from its mother!

    Silk is also obtained by killing of silkworms that too by boiling them live!

    • Truth Seeker says

      @tariqaziz

      Brother first tell me why do not you eat flesh of your father, mother uncle etc. Because you think you are grateful to them in some way so you never want to harm them. Suppose a bull who helped us in whole life in farming and we kill the bull just for meat . This is act of monsters.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Namaste Tariq Aziz

      But what about cereals and grains like Rice and Wheat which are obtained through farming which in turn makes use of Bulls and other beasts of burden?
      Bulls are castrated in a brutal manner when it becomes an adult. The testicles are smashed by a stone…….imagine! Hence farm products like Rice and Wheat are also ill begotten foods just like meat of animals.

      I am touched by your compassion for the bull but not your argument.Sterilizing a bull cannot be compared to killing and eating that bull!

      The farmer works to keep the bull alive by arranging fodder and shelter as the bull works to keep the farmer alive through agricultural produce.It’s not perfect but indeed a symbiotic relationship.

      Contrast this with the Muslims who raise the bull only to kill and eat it!

      So lets not compare apples and oranges.One good news for you by the way:More and more farmers use tractors today instead of burdening the bulls.So you should eat rice and wheat without compunction my friend.and never think again of sinking your teeth into the flesh of bull.

      Milk is also obtained by restricting the calf from having its heart full share of milk by dragging it away from its mother!

      Again there is a symbiotic relation between the cow and human beings.Human beings fetch the fodder, protect the cow and calf from predators and in return can take a share of it’s milk.Again when the calf no longer is dependent on the cow’s milk, it is not abandoned .The responsibility for feeding the calf again rests on the keeper.

      So here again its synergy that is in play for mutual benefit.Contrast this with the muslim way where, the calf is immediately removed from its mother and sent for meat farming.

      By the way, you can always opt for Soy milk instead of cow’s milk.But never try to justify eating of cows flesh

      Silk is also obtained by killing of silkworms that too by boiling them live!
      On this i agree with you.but how would allah arrange for silk in heaven?

  31. tariqaziz says

    @Truthseeker

    Brother first tell me why do not you eat flesh of your father, mother uncle etc. Because you think you are grateful to them in some way so you never want to harm them. Suppose a bull who helped us in whole life in farming and we kill the bull just for meat . This is act of monsters.

    Castrating the bull and forcibly dragging away the calf is an act of psychotic creatures. Please address these issues instead of deviating the matter.

  32. tariqaziz says

    I am touched by your compassion for the bull but not your argument.Sterilizing a bull cannot be compared to killing and eating that bull!

    Yes things which go against our stand cannot be compared :D

    The farmer works to keep the bull alive by arranging fodder and shelter as the bull works to keep the farmer alive through agricultural produce.It’s not perfect but indeed a symbiotic relationship.

    Contrast this with the Muslims who raise the bull only to kill and eat it!

    It is all goody goody till now…but suddenly if you shift the issue to ground reality of bulls being made to work in farms you will find how brutally they are castrated by smashing their testicles
    ………….

    I was talking about that only.
    Are you “OKAY” with testicles of bulls being smashed?

    So lets not compare apples and oranges.One good news for you by the way:More and more farmers use tractors today instead of burdening the bulls.So you should eat rice and wheat without compunction my friend.and never think again of sinking your teeth into the flesh of bull.

    There are many farmers in India who use beasts of labour in the farms. Poor farmers cannot afford a tractors.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Namaste Tariq Aziz

      Yes things which go against our stand cannot be compared

      It’s not about a stand but using a consistent yardstick.The yardstick is cruelty.

      even a 5th grader knows that killing an animal is far worse than hurting an animal.

      hurting the animal is cruel , killing it is MOST CRUEL.

      your position is that one should move from cruelty to utmost cruelty, which is untenable for a compassionate or rational person :(

      It is all goody goody till now…but suddenly if you shift the issue to ground reality of bulls being made to work in farms you will find how brutally they are castrated by smashing their testicles
      I was talking about that only.
      Are you “OKAY” with testicles of bulls being smashed?

      No i am not! and neither should you be okay with killing of animals which is the worst form of cruelty.
      But thankfully, and unknown to you , is the fact that most farmers now go to a vet to get the bull sterilized in a painless manner.

      There are many farmers in India who use beasts of labour in the farms. Poor farmers cannot afford a tractors.

      You didn’t read my reply.The farmers tend to the beasts as the beasts tend to the farmers need. By employing the bull , the farmer saves it from muslims and other predators :)

  33. tariqaziz says

    By the way, you can always opt for Soy milk instead of cow’s milk.But never try to justify eating of cows flesh

    Soy milk is not economical :)

    It is costly. :P

    Anyway commercial exploitation of Cow or Buffalo milk is rampant in large dairy farms. Tubes are used to suck the milk and sometimes pipes are used to blow air into the anus to facilitate more milk production.
    The calves are not allowed its fair share of milk.
    And you say its symbiotic?

    Symbiotic relationship exists when it is voluntary ..e.g crocodiles allow a species of birds to feed on the parasites on its skin which is advantageous to crocodile by the fact that those birds keep its body clean. The birds also find their food in that way.

    Here it is not symbiotic relationship but exploitation. The same way in which we use its meat by taking the advantage of our superior status of being an intelligent creature.

    • says


      Anyway commercial exploitation of Cow or Buffalo milk is rampant in large dairy farms. Tubes are used to suck the milk and sometimes pipes are used to blow air into the anus to facilitate more milk production.”

      friend using tubes to suck milk is not suggested in vedas and neither do we suggest it…

      but slowly playing knives on the necks of dumb animals is suggested in quran in most poetic language.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Soy milk is not economical :) It is costly. :P

      where do you live ? it costs as low as 12 rupees per litre in India, half the price of cow/buffalo milk

      Anyway commercial exploitation of Cow or Buffalo milk is rampant in large dairy farms. Tubes are used to suck the milk and sometimes pipes are used to blow air into the anus to facilitate more milk production.
      The calves are not allowed its fair share of milk.
      And you say its symbiotic?

      You are talking about large western farms that not only exploit the cows for milk but also for meat farming.what has that got to do with india where cooperatives collect the milk from keepers who obviously don’t use machines.Ever heard of Anand Dairy ?

      Symbiotic relationship exists when it is voluntary ..e.g crocodiles allow a species of birds to feed on the parasites on its skin which is advantageous to crocodile by the fact that those birds keep its body clean. The birds also find their food in that way.

      I wont be a stickler for exact jargon, call it synergistic or mutually beneficial arrangement if you must.because that is besides the point. The cow does not have to worry about its food and the keeper does not have to worry about milk.Also,as i said in my previous post, the cow and calf are guaranteed life protection against muslims and other predators.

      No body can deny the mutal benefits that accrue to both the species.

      Here it is not symbiotic relationship but exploitation. The same way in which we use its meat by taking the advantage of our superior status of being an intelligent creature.

      Exploitation is when you eat the cow as well as the calf.They lose their life to the predators as they would in the jungle or cow eating muslim localities. Superior status is not reflected in aping the behavior of jackals, dogs,cats and snakes .

      Superiors status and the gift of intelligence is reflected in what scientists have achieved by discovering alternate milk sources and using painless techniques for sterilization of animals.

      sinking your teeth in flesh is neither intelligent nor a status of superiority.If that’s your argument then man eaters have superior status than muslims. as muslims eat cows and maneaters eat muslims(and human beings too). :(

      • KalBhairav says

        @IA:

        sinking your teeth in flesh is neither intelligent nor a status of superiority.If that’s your argument then man eaters have superior status than muslims. as muslims eat cows and maneaters eat muslims(and human beings too).
        :-) :-) :-)

  34. tariqaziz says

    your position is that one should move from cruelty to utmost cruelty, which is untenable for a compassionate or rational person :(

    yOU WILL BE SHOCKED TO KNOW

    that I am a vegetarian muslim :D

    But my only crib is that why we are talking only about killing animals for meat where as we are turning a blind eye to this other side of commercial exploitation?

    But thankfully, and unknown to you , is the fact that most farmers now go to a vet to get the bull sterilized in a painless manner.

    No………..whoever said to you that!

    Many villagers now are so poor and ignorant that they dont consult any veterinary doctor for these sophisticated procedures.

    Anyway in what way was it done in the vedic period? How were Bulls sterilized by the ancients when cruelty to animals was prohibited?

    the cow and calf are guaranteed life protection against muslims and other predators.

    Then why cant you selflessly care for the Cow and its calf instead of denying the calf in its complete share of milk?

    Where did Soy beans go then?

    you let the live stock breed for your benefit and not to save them from predators.

    If you live in an area far away from forest and also non vegetarians then from whom are you saving them?

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Namaste Tariq Aziz

      yOU WILL BE SHOCKED TO KNOW, that I am a vegetarian muslim :D

      It’s a pleasant news indeed, but it aint a surprise : visit http://vegetarianmuslim.org

      But my only crib is that why we are talking only about killing animals for meat where as we are turning a blind eye to this other side of commercial exploitation?

      It’s not that i am not with you against commercial exploitation It’s just that I am against your stand of putting murder and domestication at the same level.

      No………..whoever said to you that! Many villagers now are so poor and ignorant that they dont consult any veterinary doctor for these sophisticated procedures.

      The procedure is inexpensive and is often free in govt vet clinics.However , I concede that vet clinics in remote areas are sometimes as far as 25 kilometers but the situation is changing rapidly.

      Anyway in what way was it done in the vedic period? How were Bulls sterilized by the ancients when cruelty to animals was prohibited?

      There are indications that In the vedic period , there were specialists who used to neueter bulls using the painless but longer procedure (tying a horse’s hair and waiting for the process for weeks)

      and as of today, there are absolutely painless surgical procedures

      Then why cant you selflessly care for the Cow and its calf instead of denying the calf in its complete share of milk?

      The hindus fund many cow shelters and ashrams that are specifically devoted to the service of the cow.The cow is revered to an extent that the muslims mock these hindus for their compassion .what more can you expect in these times?

      and i am surprised you don;t get the simple point that the calf does not survive on cow’s milk alone.It is compensated with fodder, veterinary care if it falls sick and also the cow is fed even when she becomes commercially unproductive.This is not exploitation by any standards.

      Where did Soy beans go then?

      They’re very much there.why don’t you check it out yourself.shopping time!

      you let the live stock breed for your benefit and not to save them from predators.
      If you live in an area far away from forest and also non vegetarians then from whom are you saving them?

      again! the benefit we get from cow is reciprocated by feeding it when it stops giving milk.

      as for protecting cows in non forest areas, you must know that beef eating muslims don’t live in forests.so in a way they are protecting the cow from city predators :)

  35. dharmayoddha says

    To Tariq aziz and all other muslim morons,

    Whether to eat meat or not is a personal choice.
    If you idiots FORCE your halal meat down my throat, I will halal you. And zakir naik for good measure.

    This I heard from lotsss of muslims. That you muslims are taught to kill the sheep (bakra) on bakri eid, with your own hands, so they can kill and are used to see blood, so when the time comes to defend islam they wont be afraid. What pathetic logic.
    I am veggie by choice, cant stand a sheep/goat being slaughtered or even a chicken dressed. But try fighting me in a war, HE HE HE . I am a very very good marksman on the rifle. HO HO HO. We hindus dont need your warped up logic of killing innocent animals to fill our bellies and defend our faith. HA HA HA

    • ritesh swami says

      hey dharmayoddha.

      this is what your religion teaches – killing people with rifles ? this is what all you got SHAME SHAME and more shame.

      So tell me – what’s the difference between OSAMA and you – both want to kill innocent people without any reason…even if you have one… it would be as useless and you are.

      Remember – empty shells make more noise + raising your HO HO HO’s or HA HA’s will not raise your prestige or standard… it lowers it down.!!!!

      now try laughing.. you just made fool of yourself and and all hindus – you’re a disgrace and a parasite of the society.

      typical lukha or lafanga mentality… – no wonder because of jerk-offs like you hindus are blamed. pathetic and sick.
      should report you the police for for threating to kill with a rifle..!! which I’m going to do now.. start running..

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      • dharmayoddha says

        @ritesh swami
        Abe jaa na. Dont teach me hinduism, (or islam for that matter). These muslims are taught from childhood to be fighters, – the bakri eid example I gave above. Also ALL muslims believe that eating beef (nalle khaane waale hai bhai) makes them some kind of supermen and super brave people who got the jazba to fight, and we hindus are the biggest cowrds on earth. Thats why they ruled us, for 1000 years. That is EXACTLY the reason, the kashmiri muslims think they can take on a superpower like India and win, because we 90 crore hindus are wimps.

        I am just trying to change that, attitude and their mentality. Put the fear into the hearts of the enemy. And you hindu are nobody to tell me what to do, and it disgraces hinduism.

        Incidentally I CAN use a gun very very proficiently. And go report to whomsover you want.

  36. Prahalad says

    So you guys want all Hindu’s to be vegetarian like the skinny Indians who get their asses kicked by the locals in every country they settle in? (i.e. Fiji, Uganda, Guyana, Australia) In these countries the vegetarian Indians are not even able to compete against the non-Indians in contact sports. Is that how you vegies want all Hindu’s to be? Weak??

    • Truth Seeker says

      @Prahalad
      1. There is a pork eater in my colony who defeating many momins in wrestling . Should Momins eat pork?
      2. There was a Veg boy in my school who used to go in Akhada (Arena), I never saw him to get defeated in wrestling by any meat eater. How can this happen?

      • Prahalad says

        re: Truth Seeker
        1. There is a pork eater in my colony who defeating many momins in wrestling . Should Momins eat pork?
        A) What is a Momin?

        2. There was a Veg boy in my school who used to go in Akhada (Arena), I never saw him to get defeated in wrestling by any meat eater. How can this happen?
        B) Which country? I’m sorry but winning in wrestling in Indian/Pakistan/Bengladesh is no big deal.

        • Truth Seeker says

          @Prahalad
          ______________What is a Momin_________________
          Momins have two category true Momins & False Momins. Here are few qualities of both.
          True Momins
          1. They worship & recite only “Allah/God/Almighty” not any prophet.
          2. They do not bow head before Kaba Stone. Becuase there is no need bowing head before stones. Stones can not do anything for you by bowing before it.
          3. They do not believe Allah is limited entity like others who believe Allah is confined to just seventh sky.
          4. They believe Allah no need to speak “kun” (to be) to do any thing but he acts without speaking roughly whose will is enough.
          5. They believe Allah is unchangeable. This creation is not happened all of sudden like just an idea came in Allah’s mind to create something. But universe creation & destruction process is eternal & unchangeable law of Allah.
          But False Momins think exact opposite of these said above.

    • says

      No, we want all sensible persons to be like Sushil Kumar – the world wrestling champion and a pure vegetarian. And in process, be merciful on innocent animals, poor who die of hunger because food that they could eat is fed to animals so that they can be eaten by only 10% of population, and our environment which had had enough of pollution and degradation.

      • says

        And don’t worry we will not eat you up if you refuse to become vegetarian! We are merely presenting logically sound and productive recommendation for the intellectual mind. To accept or not is your own choice. But that will no way affect the rationale that vegetarian way is the healthy humane and eco-friendly way for those who love the planet and care for its present and future.

        • learninglogics says

          Agniveer and all followers

          I am here to learn logics to understand life better.

          Please reply San’s comments
          1. Why animals are intelligent oppose to you say they become animals because of their past sin :)

          My questions
          1. Why animals and birds exists on earth?

          2. What is role of chicken, fish,lamb, goat, bull, pigeons,shrimps,prawns,crabs and benefits to human and this environment?

          3. why there is creation of alcohol,drugs, onion, garlic, masala on earth? What are their benefits?

          4. Since cow is mute, is it fair to eat their meat and drink their milk? Who gave us
          permission to do above without even understanding their intention?

          5. What happens to animals who dies natural death in sea and on earth?

          • says

            Learninglogic

            0. Past sins are related to their freewill that is restricted. A lion cant give up non veg food and a horse cant be a celibate naturally :) They do what they are designed for. They dont do anything new of their own unlike humans. This is the difference. BTW do you believe that animals are wiser than humans?

            1. Do you have answer for existence of humans?

            2. Role of chicken, fish,lamb, goat, bull, pigeons,shrimps,prawns,crabs etc is to provide different souls different life forms according to their past deeds. And they coordinate in a manner so as to sustain life cycle on earth.

            3. Creation of alcohol and drugs is by humans. Onion, garlic, masala etc are naturally obtained. What are their benefits? Formers have their own uses and dangers, and onion etc are vegetables with medicinal properties.

            4. Meat eating is wrong. Milk can be obtained without giving pain to cow and her calf. Cows love those who take care of them, go to any village and check.

            5. Their souls get into another life forms best suitable for their journey. This all is managed by Eeshvar.

          • learninglogics says

            Vajra and team, please share

            1. Past sins
            a. Who are you to say @ past sins any proof exists?

            b. Why dogs have good sense of hearing and smell? It is their past sin that they have this :)
            Hearing
            The frequency range of dog hearing is approximately 40 Hz to 60,000 Hz,[115] which means that dogs can detect sounds far beyond the upper limit of the human auditory spectrum. (Reference Wiki)

            c. Do you have answer for existence of humans?

            Well not so please share.. May be some form of energy.

            2. Role of chicken, fish,lamb, goat, bull, pigeons,shrimps,prawns,crabs etc is to provide different souls different life forms according to their past deeds. And they coordinate in a manner so as to sustain life cycle on earth.
            a. So what is their benefits to human and environment? Why they exists?

            3. Creation of alcohol and drugs is by humans. Onion, garlic, masala etc are naturally obtained. What are their benefits? Formers have their own uses and dangers, and onion etc are vegetables with medicinal properties.

            a. please share in brief their benefits to human and disadvantages.

            4. Meat eating is wrong. Milk can be obtained without giving pain to cow and her calf. Cows love those who take care of them, go to any village and check.

            If cow do not talk how you know they love who take care :) It is only your thought as being human. Did they give you permission to take their milk :)

            5. Their souls get into another life forms best suitable for their journey. This all is managed by Eeshvar.

            a.Which journey you referring to?

            b. Do we suppose to cremate them?

            c. How @ their body body what happens to them in sea and on earth?

          • says

            @learninglogics

            —– past sins any proof exists?—-

            Are you theist/atheist/agnostic?

            —–Why dogs have good sense of hearing and smell?—–

            That is natural. I talked about skills that one develops through hard work. For example humans can observe 10 times larger spectrum of wavelength than dog through technology.

            —–Do you have answer for existence of humans?—–

            Souls exist and act and accordingly get different life forms. There is no ‘why’ of existence of souls.

            —–So what is their benefits to human and environment?—–

            Mutual.

            ——please share in brief their benefits to human and disadvantages.—-

            I am not medical expert. Kindly consult any expert.

            ——If cow do not talk how you know they love who take care—–

            Just like you know when a baby gets happy no matter she cant talk.

            —–Did they give you permission to take their milk—-

            Yes, they do. Many a times when cow does not want to give milk, she kicks out anyone that comes near her.

            —–Which journey you referring to?——

            http://agniveer.com/series/vedic-lessons/

            —-Do we suppose to cremate them?—-

            No

            —–what happens to them in sea and on earth?——

            body disintegrates into its constituent chemicals.

      • Rajat Chakraborty says

        Dear Agniveer, I want to be Like Yonemitsu, not Sushil Kumar.

        Sushil Kumar miserably lost to the Japanese Guy in Finals and settled for Silver.

        I will eat Fish & Rice and Dream to be like Yonemitsu.

        And Agniveer – I am saying that you are dividing the Hindu society based on Food. You are doing great loss to India

    • says

      Prahlad

      ———-So you guys want all Hindu’s to be vegetarian like the skinny Indians who get their asses kicked by the locals in every country they settle in?———

      1. So your thesis is that those Indians who get beaten abroad are all vegetarian? Good, get this published in some health Journal, it is going to be a path breaking research! But make sure that this story is not based on your personal experience only :) If you are a vegetarian and have got beaten somewhere, you must focus on building your muscles instead of becoming non veg.

      2. What is the reason that well built (?) meat eater Indian and Pakistani Muslims are humiliated the most in the world?

      3. And is not it good to get beaten abroad but remain safe in your home than getting beaten outside and getting blown in the home by the fellow well builts (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq etc)?

      4. FYI, In India, Bengalis eat meat the most and Jats of Haryana never eat meat. Now count how many wrestlers Bengal has produced and how many Haryana has? Haryana produces more than 60% of wrestlers of India (most of them are vegetarians)! Got it Mr well built meat eater?

      ——–In these countries the vegetarian Indians are not even able to compete against the non-Indians in contact sports.——–

      Veg India beats Non Veg Pakistan in wrestling and Kabaddi (both contact sports) most of the times :)

      ———Is that how you vegies want all Hindu’s to be?——

      Yes, strong ;)

      • Prahalad says

        Re: Vajra
        1. So your thesis is that those Indians who get beaten abroad are all vegetarian? Good, get this published in some health Journal, it is going to be a path breaking research! But make sure that this story is not based on your personal experience only If you are a vegetarian and have got beaten somewhere, you must focus on building your muscles instead of becoming non veg.
        A) OK so point out one succesful professional boxer/MMA/UFC fighter or Rugby/Soccer/AFL/American Football player who can is Indian and vegetarian. Oh and by the way I play amatuer rugby and can compete against the locals in South Africa. Something I would not be able to do if I was vegetarian.

        2. What is the reason that well built (?) meat eater Indian and Pakistani Muslims are humiliated the most in the world?
        A) Most Indians and Pakistanis are the biggest wimps. Everyone knows that.

        3. And is not it good to get beaten abroad but remain safe in your home than getting beaten outside and getting blown in the home by the fellow well builts (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq etc)?
        A) So you mean vegetarian Indians should remain in India? Are you for real? Just because someone has an Indian/Hindu sounding name, it doesn’t mean that they are Indian.

        4. FYI, In India, Bengalis eat meat the most and Jats of Haryana never eat meat. Now count how many wrestlers Bengal has produced and how many Haryana has? Haryana produces more than 60% of wrestlers of India (most of them are vegetarians)! Got it Mr well built meat eater?
        A) Can they compete succesfully against the rest of the world? And I don’t mean in the light weight division.

        Veg India beats Non Veg Pakistan in wrestling and Kabaddi (both contact sports) most of the times.
        A) Can they compete against non South Asian countries?

        Yes, strong
        A) I hope so.

        • Power of Veg says

          @Prahlad

          —-OK so point out one succesful professional boxer/MMA/UFC fighter or Rugby/Soccer/AFL/American Football player who can is Indian and vegetarian. ——

          How many Indian’s play/interested in these kind of sports? Its about interest and resources not about diet. let me ask you, why India is not doing good in any sports other than cricket? Don’t say because all cricketers eat beef/pork.

          —Can they compete succesfully against the rest of the world? And I don’t mean in the light weight division.—-
          Give them proper training, why can’t they?

          Read this http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_avi

          this guy do Bench Press: 172.5Kg (380 Lbs)
          Squat: 192Kg (422 Lbs)
          Dead lift: 240Kg (528 Lbs)
          Rack lift:(below knee) 380Kg (836 Lbs)

          You said you play rugby, and i think you also might be doing some weightlifting. Let us know how much you lift weights.

          —-Something I would not be able to do if I was vegetarian.—-
          This is because of your lack of knowledge/education about veg diet. Ignorance can’t be the yardstick.

        • Power of Veg says

          World record holder Fauja Singh is a veggie

          How long have you been vegetarian? If not for your whole life, what prompted you?
          Fauja:- In the Sikh religion, we eat to live, not live to eat. Sikhism does not permit followers to eat any animal who has suffered – so being vegetarian is part of my faith. I have been predominantly vegetarian my whole life because of my religion.

          Many athletes still mistakenly think they have to eat meat – are people surprised when you tell them about your vegetarian diet?
          Fauja:- I think I’ve challenged that myth! You need a balanced and wholesome diet. It doesn’t matter how nice to look at or sweet food is – if your body can’t digest it, why eat it? In many parts of the world, people are dying because of starvation, whilst others are dying because of overeating. My solution is just to eat what my body needs.

          http://blog.peta.org.uk/2011/10/fauja-singh-100-years-old-world-record-holder-vegetarian/

      • learninglogics says

        @Vajra, please answer

        —– past sins any proof exists?—-
        Are you theist/atheist/agnostic?

        @ Please do not counter question If you are well in Vedas then please share the proof
        why beat around bush. Simple logic

        —–Why dogs have good sense of hearing and smell?—–

        That is natural. I talked about skills that one develops through hard work. For example humans can observe 10 times larger spectrum of wavelength than dog through technology.

        @ I do not understand your logic you say they become animals because of past sins.
        So how can you justify by saying natural that dogs have good sense of smell and hearing :D How can someone commit crime and enjoy so good things :D

        —–Do you have answer for existence of humans?—–

        Souls exist and act and accordingly get different life forms. There is no ‘why’ of existence of souls.

        @ proof from Vedas please of you need time please take your time.

        —–So what is their benefits to human and environment from animals?—–
        Mutual.

        @ Thats all, what respect they are there for past sins remember :D There must
        be some benefit please read from vedas, since its book of science :D

        ——please share in brief their benefits to human and disadvantages.—-

        I am not medical expert. Kindly consult any expert.

        @ I thought Vedas is book of science why you need to learn medical. Please share
        from it take your time my dear :)

        ——If cow do not talk how you know they love who take care—–

        Just like you know when a baby gets happy no matter she cant talk.

        —–Did they give you permission to take their milk—-

        Yes, they do. Many a times when cow does not want to give milk, she kicks out anyone that comes near her.

        @ Haha, how you know? May be she do not like your face? She is not in mood because she fought with his male friend :D End of the day you will never know her feelings whether she wants to give milk or not. she is mute simple :D

        —–Which journey you referring to?——
        http://agniveer.com/series/vedic-lessons/

        @ reading @ it thanks for sharing, Bon…

        • says

          learninglogics

          —–do not counter question—–

          Given that you have so far struggled to grasp my points, this is essential for me to know your belief so that I can answer accordingly.

          —– If you are well in Vedas then please share the proof—–

          You dont know Vedas and thus cant appreciate any proof from same. Even if I claim something to be in Vedas, you have no credentials to agree or disagree with that. So leave it.

          —–How can someone commit crime and enjoy so good things—–

          Most precious this is freewill that animals lack. They dont have option to choose. Something that is not by choice is not enjoyed.

          —— proof from Vedas please of you need time please take your time.——

          See above.

          —–please read from vedas, since its book of science—–

          I never claimed Vedas as book of science. Perhaps you seem to have encountered some Jihadi Scientist claiming big bangs and black holes in Quran :) Dont generalize this experience with Vedas. Dont presume too much.

          ——-I thought Vedas is book of science—–

          What you think need not be true all the times :)

          ——End of the day you will never know her feelings whether she wants to give milk or not—-

          Replied previously.

          May I know your purpose behind this discussion? Do you think ridiculing Vedas is something that is need of the hour? Why do you have hatred for Vedas that never curse you to any hell for disbelief and why dont you have same hatred for Quran and Bible that curse unbelievers to eternal hell?

          And dont shy away from sharing your thoughts on all these issues. It is equally your responsibility to provide a parallel thought so that I can judge my stand and rectify if needed.

    • Vik says

      @Prahlad

      Eating meat is the work of carnivorous animals, and you stooped so low that you want to make animals your role models?? Did we run out of the footsteps noble human beings like Sushil Kumar, Sir Isaac Newton, Einstein???

      Think back at the time of dinosaurs, Tranasorous was the biggest dinosaur and was a meat eater, he was always defeated by triceratops who was a vegetarian, now tell me who is weak and strong???

      I think we should all start eating those non veg people prahlad has pointed out, so by eating them we would become strong like them, right guys??

      • indan_az says

        vik, are u herbivorous animal? eating plants is work of herbivorous animal. hahaha.. your role model is lower than prahlad’s role model(according to ur theory)in eco system….we are omnivorous human… we eat cooked food… and stop cheap arguments like vegan defeated non vegan… who is vegan? can u nt differentiate between human and animal.?… can u eat like cow?… if i give u three times more examples in which carnivorous animals defeat herbivorous animals, will you then accept that meat eating is healthier????

        • says

          Hey @indian_az

          Talk to me. I am cannibal and love to eat genius who think of eco system and food chain more than others and are good at arguments. Hope you understand the logic behind being cannibal and do me a favor.

          Thanks

        • Vik says

          @indian_az

          looks like you have got large fangs, large claws on your nails, and you have the ability to eat raw animals live, otherwise you would not have been asking this stupid question of me being a herbivorous animal.

          Yes, I am a herbivorous animal because I can eat raw vegetables like herbivores but I cannot digest raw meat like you.

          Dont bother showing me examples of carnivorours defeating herbivores, because before seeing you act stupid, I would like to tell you that carnivorus animals defeat other animals NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR STRENGTH BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR AMMUNITIION, like fangs and claws. If you take tiger and take out their claws and fangs, that tiger would be of no match for many herbivores. So think again.

      • Prahalad says

        re: Vik:
        Eating meat is the work of carnivorous animals, and you stooped so low that you want to make animals your role models?? Did we run out of the footsteps noble human beings like Sushil Kumar, Sir Isaac Newton, Einstein???

        Think back at the time of dinosaurs, Tranasorous was the biggest dinosaur and was a meat eater, he was always defeated by triceratops who was a vegetarian, now tell me who is weak and strong???

        I think we should all start eating those non veg people prahlad has pointed out, so by eating them we would become strong like them, right guys??

        A) Are you for real? More then half the world eats non-veg. Basically you have a ‘holier than though’ attitude despite the fact that there are non-vegetarians out there who are not judgemental like you guys.

    • Truth Seeker says

      @indan_az
      __________what if u eat egg________
      Why should I take life knowingly of any species who is about to come in this world, if it is not creating trouble for any Human.
      __________what if u eat dead animals____________
      Why should I act like animals being a human? Than what will be difference between human & dog.

    • says

      Good one indian_az

      This is what I tell others, once you kill a human, it is already dead and then you can eat it. You are very sharp, love to meet people like you. Can we meet?

      • indan_az says

        @cannibal, i am muslim and we are omnivorous human not animals, our diet is based on quranic teachings. actually aryasamajis say that they are vegetarian and human should not eat meat, when we say y then they say that because animal feel pain when we slaughter them. so i say that you can eat dead animals if pain is main problem. we do not believe in pain theory and we eat only slaughtred animals in halal way except fish. we can eat dead fish. i cant eat u.

        • says

          @indian_az

          That is great. You are Muslim, actually these Hindus can never understand arguments. We cannibals feel Islam close to our heart because it allows flesh to be consumed. But I dont agree with your philosophy of Quran of not eating human flesh. Why? What is the logic behind not eating human?

          Islam is a good religion and it can still uplift intellectually if it relaxes the restrictions of human’s flesh consumption. Meat eating of all species is logical as you and other rational minds have already proved. So lets break this taboo too.

          Please share with me your email id, we can discuss more things there.

  37. indan_az says

    @agni ji u have written”The way we refuse to eat dead bodies of human beings, we should also not feast on dead bodies of other living beings who have eyes, nose, face, brain like us. Who feel pain and pleasure like us. Who feel the same fear and weep in similar manner like we do when nearing our own deathPS: On why we have an image of Einstein on this article – we firmly believe that Einstein was Vedic with regards to this aspect of his life.”
    i dont know who is your role model einstein or rama & sita? as far as sita is concern she forced rama to kill spotted dear for her???? your all arguments on veg non-veg are baseless and wrong… aryasamajis believe that human cant eat meat? you are making them fool. whole kerala, west bengal, karnataka, bihar, kashmir, assam and nagaland eat COW. in tamil nadu & andhra hindus eat fish? in north india cow is sacred for hindus but in south india it is not sacred? sanghpariwar inject hatred in hindus in the name of cow in north india. i challenge you that you cant define veg diet without taking relaxation. you know that you can never be pure vegan so you start shouting meat & beef.

    • Truth Seeker says

      @indan_azou
      _______ know that you can never be pure vegan so you start shouting meat & beef.____________
      We can not be pure, sinless & all knowing completely like God/ Allah. But when we cross a threshold, we become entitled to get salvation or eternal bliss of God. In same WAY we should act like human & should have a merciful approach for all creatures if they are not harming TO us.

  38. indan_az says

    @ truth, do you know plant seeds also give new life then what will you do? will u stop eating veges? because vegetables have seeds.

  39. indan_az says

    @truth,
    ——-Why should I act like animals being a human? Than what will be difference between human & dog.—-
    do you know every community eat fish without slaughter, nobody slaughter it either by halal way or jhatka way. muslim can eat dead fish without slaughter then difference is we eat cooked food and dog eat raw food. i hope you eat cooked rice cooked wheat & cooked beans not raw.

    • says

      @indian_az

      With this I slightly disagree. I eat raw flesh of humans, it is tastier. But anyways, good going @ bashing illogical folks here. Really veg food makes people dumb :(

  40. indan_az says

    @truth-less, ——-In same WAY we should act like human & should have a merciful approach for all creatures if they are not harming TO us.–
    y u dont have merciful approach for plants and bacterias? why u boil milk to kill bacteria? bacterias present in curd are not harming you & cant harm u then y u kill them?are u kiding here or u have any strong argument?

    • says

      @indian_az

      Great reply! These dumbos dont understand that killing bacteria or plant or animal or human is no different from one another. Dumb head veggies.. At least I have found a rational mind here. Can we meet?

  41. Vinay Arya says

    Meat is obtained from animals having nervous system hence feeling happiness or sorrow.When you kill them they feel bad.What if someone kills you and eat up?And,also meat will be having less energy than vegetables because plansts get enrgy from decrease the amount by spending it in their metabolism,vegetarian get even less than plants they spend it is metabolism and meat eaters get the least.

    All animals do excretion.Plants do not do excretion.Animals have urine and latrine(tatti) inside them.Which is eaten by carnivorous humans.They eat a substance present in latrine and urine.
    Egg comes out from the anus of the anmals.So it is also very bad.
    Hence meat eating is absolutely bad.

    Plants do not feel pain hence we can cut them.Bacterias needs to be killed but they also do not feel pain as nervous system is absent.

  42. indan_az says

    @vinay,,——Meat is obtained from animals having nervous system hence feeling happiness or sorrow.When you kill them they feel bad.What if someone kills you and eat up?And,also meat will be having less energy than vegetables because plansts get enrgy from decrease the amount by spending it in their metabolism—
    dear brother it seems that you are against meat and eggs. actually you are against meat otherwise you can eat dead animals like fish without giving them any kind of pain??? regarding energy i dont know what you are trying to prove? plant have chlorophyll and do photosynthesis which we cant do so we are dependent on them. because we have different type of digestive system then herbivorous animals so we cant obtain all essential amino acids from veges until we eat some selective plant based diet but if you add little meat in your diet then their is no worry. if energy is only and basic criteria then you can have instant energy from dabour glucose and less shit(tatti) then y u eat vegetables?????…… your basic problem is you never try to study about your body requirements, your digestive system and herbivorous and carnivorous animal’s digestive system. you always read that egg is coming from vagina or anus. suppose if egg will come from vagina or you get it through operation(directly from stomach) then will u eat egg??….. dear brother you have written that “vegan get less energy and meat eaters least” assuming as herbivorous animals and meat eaters eat same plant and instead of eating meat of animal we should eat that plant to get maximum energy without wasting as we waste when we eat meat which consumes more plant in anabolism(am i right) . brother you should understand that we and cattle eat different plants. cattle eat grass and we cant eat grass, we eat wheat and rest of the material which we cant eat we give that to cattle ..so there is no decrease of energy… as you cant take direct energy from grass.. hope you understand

  43. indan_az says

    @vinay bhai, if you try to understand then you can see meat eaters save more energy…. we eat vegetables and eatable part of plant and rest which we cant eat like grass we give it to herbivorous animals and when they stop giving milk we eat them without wasting any energy….

    • says

      @indian_az

      Nice argument there. But we cannibals are a step ahead. We eat humans too and save more energy. We are strictly against wastage of energy and specially in the era of global warming, it is our responsibility to save earth.

      Can you share your email id with me? I would love to be your friend..

      • indan_az says

        @cannibal, i am not interested to meet you, you are at another extreme like jainis one is totally nude and other one is wearing mask too…

        • Cannibal says

          @indian_az

          Hey buddy, I dont expect this irrationality from a person like you who has silenced the fools here single handedly. Where is the question of extremity coming? Human is also an animal, it is proven by science, same nervous system like animals that we eat and you also eat.

          Come and lets break this taboo, be rational. Kindly share your email id, I will see the rest.

          • indan_az says

            @cannibal, you can see that we are not animal as we are omnivorous and bear is also omnivorous but see the difference… we cant eat raw fish we have to cook it but bear can eat it raw, y? because we require society, bear just go and eat them because it is an animal but we develop whole industry we need other things also. bear can eat little amount of grass because bear can digest grass through fermentation but we cant digest grass y? because we are human and we require social system. if we can eat raw then there is no need of civilization as you can see there is no civilization in bears. we are constantly developing and nourishing our skills how could you say that we are animals?

          • Cannibal says

            @indian_az

            Actually we cannibals eat raw fish, raw flesh of every animal. We find it more tasty as compared to roasted. That depends on culture to culture. But scientifically, we can eat both ways and remain healthy as you have proved above to these idiots. In fact it is necessary to help environment to eat animals and humans many a times to balance eco system and to keep check on global warming.

            I wonder, as for civilization, the idiot veggies give the same argument as you have just given, i.e. of civilization and evolution. They say that now we are evolved and thus should stop eating other animals. Those fools dont understand that flesh related food habits must be in sync with eco system balance and should also help in reducing global warming as you discussed above.

            So eating humans or raw flesh is no way against science, its just a taboo that many people cant break.

            BTW, pls share with me your email id, I would love to know more about you and Islam. As I told, I find Islam close to my heart. Please..

      • indan_az says

        @vinay, ———–You have stopped giving me good views so you hould be killed—————
        is this the teachings of Moolshankar? if any body is not giving u good views you will kill him but cant eat fish??? are you out of your mind?

        • Vinay Arya says

          No.This is the mind which you have got from meat eating.It was an alankaarit bhasha.If some animal has stopped giving you milk then you say that you can kill him.Similarly,you have stopped giving me good views then why don’t kill you?
          Killing an animal which is not giving milk as he has become old is same as killing your parents when they become old.Will you kill and eat your parents when they will become elder and would be of no use?Instead of eating my good animals,you should eat your parents.Because your parents have given us such a child who is killing my innocent animals.

          • Vinay Arya says

            And I know what will be the second answer.It is not required to answer me.You will say I am out of my mind.You cut animals eat them is it a good thingAnd when I try to make you understand you that I am out of my mind.What should be done with the person like you?

  44. indan_az says

    @canabill, if we put religion aside then u can see eating dead animals is harmful except fish, because fish has different blood circulatory system. if you slaughter in islamic way then blood will goes out from body, blood is main carrier of diseases. if you eat dead animal you will also eat blood which will transmit disease. so the islamic way is best. also we eat only herbivorous animals and we are selective omnivorous HUMAN not animal.. hope u understand

    • Cannibal says

      @indian_az

      Oh now you are disappointing me :( OK, I can accept dead argument. But when we eat human, we can behead it in Islamic way and then eat. This way it will be free from diseases and thus scientifically acceptable. But still this ‘selective’ part . Its just man made taboos that need to be overcome.

      By the way I will love to know more about Islam. I feel it is close to my heart. The arguments you gave are awesome and similar to what we believe. We have many commonalities. Can I accept your religion?

      • indan_az says

        yes you are welcome but you have to change your diet… islam is complete way of life and it has guidance in all the fields… you can never slaughter a human in islamic way because firstly eating human is not permissible in islam secondly you cant slaughter a dead animal.. to accept islam you have to say and accept that Kalima Shahadah (Testification)

        ‘Ash-hadu ‘an laa’i-laa-ha ‘il-lal-laa-hu
        I testify that there is none worthy of worship besides Allah

        wa ‘ash-ha-du ‘anna mu-ham-ma-dan ‘ab-du-hoo wa ra-soo-luh
        And I testify that Muhammad (Sallallaho-Alaihe-Wa-Sallam) is Allah’s worshipper and messenger.
        by accepting it u can enter in islamic society you are welcome

        • Cannibal says

          @indian_az

          My friend, till now you were talking based on reasoning but suddenly you have brought in restrictions, it is like these Hindus who prohibit something and allow something. You have beautifully proved here that flesh eating is eco friendly and essential to balance excessive global warming. Your arguments were perfect, but suddenly you took u turn :( You did not tell logically why should I not slaughter a human? Which scientific law is violated in this?

          My love for Islam is because it gives same arguments as we do for our food habits that whole world condemns. But now you are also putting restrictions on our food habits? Now I cant find any difference b/w you and illogical Hindus on this site.

          Anyway, I philosophically find no difference b/w Islamic ideology and mine, i.e. going scientifically and analyse things. I believe the restriction of human’s flesh eating is later day interpolation in Islam because Islam cant be illogical. Hope yo understand.

          • indan_az says

            @dear cannibal, because islam is religion(way of life) given by GOD(Allah) so every law and restriction put by it is rational and scientific. you can see i have never supported slaughtering of human. actually you should understand that we slaughter a live animal not dead, so that blood goes out from the animal body . blood cant come out from dead animal. do you think any logical religion can allow killing/slaughtering of human for food?
            also here is reference from quran “Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin – then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” http://quran.com/5/3 there is no interpolation in quran, it is saved from any corruption.

        • Pagan Power says

          Yes Indian_AZ. Islam is a complete way of life. Muhammad and his alter ego called allah will control every aspect of a dumbo’s life from the way a person eats, passes urine, passes stools, the way they dress, the way they have sex, the number of concubines one can have, the way an animal needs to be slaughtered (but claim that the specific way of slaughtering is painless for the animal), believe that a 7th century lunatic maniac holds their passport to getting laid in heaven and what not. Islam is the highest form of slavery that ever can be. There is no other religion that chants, as a prayer, stuff like women getting lashed for fornification at a place of worship but that is exactly what you morons pray at a mosque (pea brains).Wake up and smell freedom slaves.

          • Cannibal says

            Pagan Power

            Your hatred for Islam is not good. And dont deviate from the topic. Now it is proved that Islam is scientific religion and closest to the ultimately scientific cannibalism. Our arguments are same that you cant counter, poor grass eaters… lol

            You are jealous of why you could not convince me about your religion but indian_az did. It is because our thinking is almost similar, it is based on science and logic. And you will see, indian_az will agree that cannibalism is not prohibited in Islam because it is most scientific as per the arguments given by him only. Islam was started with good people but its teachings might get corrupted with time and thus it is confused whether to allow cannibalism or not. But you can only get disappointed that you could not make me Hindu but he single handedly attracted me towards his religion. Defeat to you all grass eaters :)

    • Rajat Chakraborty says

      Actually Blood is good for Body. This is an Islamic Propaganda that Blood is bad because in Islam Satan Drinks Blood. In South Korea where i have visited many times people Coagulate blood, make cakes and soup out of it, They are doing it for thousands of years and are healthy.

      Jhatka is Best Way to slaughter.

      • Krishnarao says

        Good point Rajat,

        Excellent point about blood. The problem I see with islam is it is basing things on old ways that might have been dangerous at that time and place. Even today, people get blood transfusions, and all kinds of treatment with blood. To bluntly say blood is bad is stupid. There are a lot of good uses for blood. As science develops further and further, humanity will find more uses for blood. And every piece of meat, no matter how small, has a tiny bit of blood in it. This is a fact. No matter how you cut the meat, there will always be a very very tiny about of blood on the meat. You won’t be able to see it, but it is there. So if there is something bad in the blood, it will still be int he meat as well. So no matter what, you cannot get away from that blood. Time to grow up and look at the facts.

        The key thing is cooking the meat right. And for your information when you heat blood, it turns brown. That is why won’t be able to see it in cooked meat because the blood looks like the the meat. And why do you think raw meat looks red, the blood. HELLO.

        Krishnarao

    • Cannibal says

      @pathikarya

      Shut up. We are discussing similarities b/w Islam and cannibalism. And look, how close these two are, most logical backed by scientific evidences. You hindus will always cry for animals. You need to understand that all living beings, be it animals, humans, plants or bacteria, is identical as proved by indian_az and thus differentiating them while eating is foolish. But I know you will never understand :(

      • Cannibal 2 says

        @Cannibal
        Good brother, we are on true path. Our approach is scientific. Vedics are kaffir they are completely against our behavior & habits but momins seem near about us. Momins and we will join hands.

        • Cannibal says

          Hello Cannibal 2

          You are the second wise person on this site with indian_az. And I am very happy to see someone from my culture. You should also learn Islamic philosophy, its very close to ours. There are few differences but those are probably because of the adulteration in original message of Islam by these idiot grass eaters. Interestingly, one of my friends who is a Muslim and Cannibal told me that there is not a single verse in Quran that says dont eat humans. So this way even Quran is in support of Cannibalism.

          Long live the friendship of Muslims and Cannibals.

          @indian_az

          Can we three meet and then discuss future plans?

          • Cannibal says

            @Pagan Power

            Only idiots find differences b/w Islam and Cannibalism. Both are one and the same. We believe that all living beings- bacteria, plants, animals, and humans are equal and thus should be treated equally. So we eat all. indian_az, who is a Muslim also gave same arguments and thus we have no difference.

            It is just you grass eaters who find the difference b/w the two. Cannibalism is scientific and so as Islam. And you Hindus are jealous of both.

          • Cannibal 2 says

            @Cannibal/Indian_az
            Brothers, I am also very glad to see both of you here. At least someone like you fighting for us. Please both of you carry on like this. I am with you for any kind of support. BTW where is Indian_aZ brother? He initiated very good logical discussion. We were living fearfully & with a sense of guilt . But Indian_AZ brother provided us very logical & scientific arguments to fight with Kaffirs “Araya Samaji” etc. Brother Cannibal, we need to change flesh cutting way. We should cut flesh smoothly, this is said Halal in Islam. This is very scientific way & flesh cutting in this way will be more healthier as mentioned by Indian_AZ brother. We need to pay attention on this.

  45. Pagan Power says

    Indian_AZ: As the 2 cannibals indicated, you provided absolute clarity as to why men should ape the canines. Please return to the forum and continue the enlightened conversation. We are all listening.

  46. Cannibal 3 says

    yeah! that’s should be the spirit. ALL you cannibals and indian_az bro give me a high five. these veggie dimwits can’t even imagine the taste of raw flesh, smell of blood. WOW!

    @indian_az
    bro, can your religion accept me? because i am fed up this so called kind ‘vedic’ stuff. I want BLOOD!

    • Cannibal 2 says

      @Cannibal 3 &Cannibal
      Brothers, Why brother “Indian_AZ” not posting comments here now to enlighten us more. I think these kaffirs has made him annoyed. I think we should mail him & invite him. Only Islam can protect our culture because there is no difference b/w Islam and Cannibalism.
      Dont worry, Indian_Az brother has given his Email ID to contact him:
      faizul54321@yahoo.com

      • indian_az says

        @cannibal, yes i will give detail about what islam allow to eat. islam gives complete guidance. everything is not allowed, only herbivorous animals are allowed and after slaughtering in islamic way. fish allowed without slaughter. no carnivorous is allowed and pork is not allowed, dead animals are not allowed, humans ARE NOT ALLOWED. brother if you start eating your family members then how could you live, how could you form a society? we are social in nature we are not animals, we are humans. i have shown you the difference between bear and human. if you are man eater then how could i faith on you? can i stay in night with you? you may eat me…

        • Cannibal 2 says

          @indian_az
          _____brother if you start eating your family members then how could you live______
          Not family members, but there no problem eating up human kaffirs/cirminals/terrorist & dead body. After all we should not waste energy. It is very good way controlling population & crime. how practical, scientific & logical cannibalism!
          _______if you are man eater then how could i faith on you________
          Cannibals do not eat friends but we can eat up kaffirs & criminals.
          We are brothers, there is no difference between b/w Islam and Cannibalism.

  47. indian_az says

    @pagan, canabil,1,2,3 and all,
    i have never said that islam allow cannibalism or eating other human. @cannibal 2 do u kill human for eating? in islam we slaughter live animal in islamic way, we cant slaughter any dead animal.
    @Cannibal 3, islam prohibits blood, islamic way of slaughtering animal is to flush off blood from animal body. islam prohibit eating of dead animal because animal has blood in its body. for detail; please see http://www.quran.com/3/5

    • Cannibal 2 says

      @indian_az
      We are hoping much from you. Why are u talking like this?
      ________we cant slaughter any dead anima_________
      Brother, we should not waste energy. It is my practical, dead body which is consumed within 10 hours, is very healthier.
      ________slamic way of slaughtering animal is to flush off blood from animal body_________
      Ya this may be scientific. We can discuss on this point. But you continue to enlighten us at least you are one who are talking logically & fighting for us.
      We are brothers, there is no difference between b/w Islam and Cannibalism.

    • Pagan Power says

      Indian AZ, you quoted Quran 5:3. What good is it follow the menu items of your superstar, who actually instigated religious violence between two brothers (borrowed from the Genesis legend of Cain and Abel) by accepting the sacrifice of one and rejecting the sacrifice of another. By this act, Allah instigated one brother to kill another and it is outright comical that Allah then sends a crow in 5:31 to teach the living brother how to hide the corpse of the slain brother. To me Allah is someone that enjoys murder and blood. So for Allah to say and people like you to follow injunctions on blood, dead animal etc is pure nonsense. Peiod. Allah is a blood thirsty maniac, the alter ego of Muhammad…

      • indan_az says

        @pagan, we believe that Allah is superior. what about your belief confused aryasamajis? this world is for the test of human and human has been given free will, i am free to do wrong or right. Allah will not stop me if i want to do wrong thing. Allah has shown sirate mustaqeem(right way) now it is up to your choice which way you want. i dont know what you peoples want? if there is no free will then there is no test. you believe in change of yoni which is totally illogical and nonsense. you have written “by this act, Allah instigated one brother to kill another” can you prove from that verse that Allah instigated one brother? his sacrifice was not accepted because his intentions were not right and he was not a pious or good person. suppose if his sacrifice was not accepted then why should he be allowed to kill his brother? what was the role of his brother? a person with a gud character should repent and pray Allah for the acceptance of his sacrifice, Allah is merciful and opt-forgiving. if you have mind then you can understand if you fail in any task or test and your brother passes that test then, if you are good person, will you kill your brother or retry again?

        • indan_az says

          @pagan, here is complete story from quran chapter 5…
          “27,And recite to them the story of Adam’s two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah ], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], “I will surely kill you.” Said [the former], “Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him].
          28,If you should raise your hand against me to kill me – I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah , Lord of the worlds.
          29,Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers.”
          30,And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers.
          31,Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, “O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?” And he became of the regret
          32,Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

          • indan_az says

            @pagan, can you explain your statement “Allah is a blood thirsty maniac, the alter ego of Muhammad…” in the light of verse no 32,
            http://www.quran.com/5/32
            32,Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
            is this verse is showing same character of Allah as you have written?
            Astaghfirullah…. naqal e kufr naqal na bashad

          • Cannibal says

            @indian_az

            Again great reply buddy! This @ Pagan Power could not understand that this great verse was revealed for children of Israel alone and thus we Cannibals (non Israelis) are allowed to kill and then eat humans.

            Really, Quran is the best book, it is most logical. Although it disappoints Cannibals of Israel but ensures the convenience of rest of the Cannibals around the world.

            I want to read Kalma in your presence, can we meet? We will plan future activities also. Can you share with us your address? Cannibal 1 and 2 will also follow. What say guys?

      • Pagan Power says

        inidan az: Allah is a blood thirsty maniac. It is common sense but given your quran gives common sense a burial you are unable to see the obvious.
        Now if Allah were really serious about having created this world and use it as a test bed for people, then it means he does not know the past, present and future. If he is not cognizant of these three, he cannot be a super star. But if you claim that he knows these 3 then what is the point of running test cycles when the results are known? Does this not sound blatantly contradictory? Running test cycles with expected test results is good only for product and software engineering firms and not for God. This theory of this world and people being allah’s test is utter nonsense.
        And let us look at a Quranic verse 4:14 – Whosoever disobeyeth Allah and His messenger and transgresses His limits, He will make him enter Fire, where he will dwell for ever; his will be a shameful doom.
        We can understand allah, the maniac demanding attention but why the messenger has to come in-between? Any human being is as fallible as another one. So, you guys that follow this messenger inherit his faults too when you ape him by branding him as the best human being. But if you say that Mohd is not human but divine, his life is full of stuff that are nowhere close to divinity. Please address the above disconnect(s).

    • Pagan Power says

      Indian AZ, please use punctuations in a better fashion. I am confused if you are calling a quran verse 5/3 to be cannibalistic or not. Please clarify.

      • Cannibal 2 says

        @Pagan Power
        go to hell man! Islam nowhere against cannibalism. Such verses are added by the fanatic Hindu like you. We dont read such stupid verses. You are trying to divide Momins and cannibals.
        there is no difference between b/w Islam and Cannibalism.

      • indan_az says

        @pagan power, previously i have given wrong reference from quran so i have corrected that as 5:3 ok… your first comment show that you have searched satyagni/antiislamic sites well and your comment “I am confused if you are calling a quran verse 5/3 to be cannibalistic or not. Please clarify.” is just to make fun. you know there is no cannibalism in islam.

        • Cannibal says

          @indian_az

          Leave these illogical grass eaters alone. They everytime abuse Islam without a reason. They oppose Cannibalism the same way.

          @all hindus

          Holy Quran never says anywhere that human flesh is prohibited. It proves that authors of Quran knew in advance that bacteria, plants, animals and humans etc are all living and have same worth and thus to be treated with equity. So instead of criticizing Quran, you should wonder how authors of Quran in the deserts of Arabia knew about life in plants and bacteria just like humans?

          • indan_az says

            @cannibal, yesterday you were showing as you dont know anything about islam and today you are saying that “Holy Quran never says anywhere that human flesh is prohibited”. have you studied whole quran in one night? read your yesterday’s comments on islam. your behavior is suspicious. do you think that i can have dinner with a man eater? i have seen how these aryasamajis take u turns.

          • Cannibal says

            indian_az

            By the grace of Allah I am now a Muslim. I watched many videos of Dr Zakir Naik yesterday and got convinced about the TRUTH of Islam. The fact that Quran does not prohibit human flesh was told by one of my friends who is a Muslim and Cannibal as well. I mentioned it yesterday if you see my comment.

            I only analyzed the concept further and now 100% sure that only Islam is the way forward for me. I have already read Kalma. I am a proud Muslim now. And please dont insult me by being suspicious towards me. It is Haram in Islam to mistrust the fellow Muslim, I read it in one of the threads on an Islamic discussion forum today. Just look, I overlook many of your illogical things and kept bashing these Hindus but you are smelling fishy about me? :(

            I again state- Cannibalism is not against Islam, it is logical concept. Allah does not differentiate among his creatures- humans, animals, plants, bacteria are all same for Him.

    • KalBhairav says

      I apologize…read *pork* instead of *porn*…Apparently it is not that much of a slip though…coz some Momin sometime before gave the reason that Momins dont eat pork because pigs have sex in front of others!

      Lol at Momin logic.

      • Cannibal says

        Hey KalBhairav

        Quran prohibits only those pigs that dwell in gutters. But the pigs farmed in professional firms can be eaten because then impurity logic that Islam is worried of no more remains. So Islam does not prohibit consumption of such pigs. You Hindus always find faults in Islam, you are jealous. Look, indian_az is one Muslim and you are many hindus but still he could manage to convince me towards the TRUTH of Islam but you could not about your religion. Arguments of Cannibalism and Islam are same and most logical that you grass eaters can never counter.

        I am feeling great after accepting Islam. Now I am more than convinced that Cannibalism is the right way. Till now I did not have any divine backing behind our food habits but now it is no more the case. Thankks to indian_az and thanks to Islam.

        Dear indian_az, I want to meet you in personal, need to discuss things and we can have dinner together.

        • indan_az says

          @cannibal, i have givenyou address of websites for further reading of islam please read about islam before saying anything about islam. there is no difference of gutter pid or farm in islam. islam prohibits pork completely.

          • Cannibal says

            @indian_az

            You said it buddy. There is no difference b/w a farm pig or a gutter pig or a dog or cow or human or bacteria or plants in our eyes. Islam is most logical religion. Our Muslim scholars give the reason of prohibition of pork as being dirty because pigs eat garbage and shit. So logically pigs grown up in clean environment can be consumed. This is exactly what we Cannibals do. Everyone grown up in healthy environment can be consumed.

            We Muslims have extra responsibility of establishing logic as primary and foremost tool to decide right and wrong of everything. Our Quran does not prohibit any creature because Allah created some species to consume and some to be consumed. We have canine teeth that can digest pork easily, so we can eat it. This argument is given by many scholars like Zakir Naik for meat eating and it is irrefutable even in the case of pork.

            Islam is best religion but these grass eaters will not understand.

    • indan_az says

      @kallu, 90% hindus eat meat..lol..
      in karnataka, kashmir, bihar, tamil, kerala, west bengal, nagaland, assam hindus eat COW also.
      why you changed from vegan-vegan to meat?
      show me hindus who are pure vegetarians.
      you make innocent peoples fool that human cant eat meat, when we expose your lies then you switched to meat-meat.
      y sita ordered rama to kill spotted dear?
      hindu sacrifice unlimited numbers of animals at temples and you say that killing of animals is not allowed in hinduism?
      from same veda your ancestors are believing in animal sacrifices(if you sacrifice then you have to eat that) and in idol worship, i dont know how you can deny it?
      all hindus eat meat and blame muslims??????

      • indan_az says

        @cannibal,1,2.3
        i think that you are same person, only changing your identity as 1/2/3..
        when i told you that cannibalism is not allowed in islam even eating dead animals is not allowed in islam then you have switched that we will kill and eat human(ie slaughter)?
        we have received this verse(and obviously whole quran) through messenger of Allah and he explained that this order of not to kill any person is retained by allah.
        killing of any innocent person is not allowed in islam and even you have no power to kill any person either he is murderer or whatever. it is islamic government who will decide that this person should be killed or not and islamic government will decide in the light of divine guidance. i will not entertain any further q on cannibalism in islam. hope you understand

        • Cannibal 2 says

          @indan_az
          _______i think that you are same person, only changing your identity as 1/2/3._______
          Hello, I am cannibal 2. I do not know who are Cannibal & cannibal 3. But I am happy they belong to my family & culture.
          _________that cannibalism is not allowed in islam even eating dead animals is not allowed in islam__________
          Why do not u understand we cannibals approach is very scientific. We can leave momins because they belong to our family but what problem eating of kaffirs & criminals, dead or alive.
          ________killing of any innocent person is not allowed in islam__________
          You said above to a kaffir if they can not kill animals for eating then what problem eating to a dead body? But we cannibals eat everything dead or alive. We are very near to Islamic philosophy as you have mentioned above to a Kaffir there is no problem eating to dead body as per Islam. We should not waste energy.
          You should have known that there is no difference b/w cannibalism & Islam.
          And please continue this discussion, you have given us a hope by your Islamic scientific & logical arguments to survive our culture.
          Thank you

      • Vik says

        @All

        Let us all become true muslims, so in order to become a true muslim, we must:

        1)Stop Idol worship meaning STOP FACING THE KAABA, and PRAY TO ALLAH WITHOUT THE KAABA, WE DONT NEED KAABA IN THIS WORLD. And no grave worship either

        2)Adopt a Veggie diet, since Allah made this beautiful earth for us and we must not let global warming destory it. Have respect for what Allah has made for us.

        3)Only believe in the first part of the Kalima, this means “There is none worthy of worship but Allah”, and abolish the second part “Mohammad is his messenger”. So, hence we will no longer believe in Mohammad to be a messenger but only a role model for us like many othes. If we believe in Mohammad as well, we are committing SHIRK which we dont want to commit.

        4)Return to Allah’s first revelation, Allah’s real QURAN known as the VEDAS, if ALLAH has given us Vedas, then why should we follow an arab invention called the Quran??? Besides Quran has been corrupted, Bible has been corrupted, only Vedas are free from Corruption so we should only follow Vedas.

        5)STOP believing in an oven called HELL or a place full of women called HEAVEN because THEY DO NOT EXIST!!!! The real hell heaven are here with us which we experience based on our deeds.

        6)Stop believing in ADAM EVE creation because its full of incest. We were all created in a much better way then this Jewish invention.

        So, are all of you ready to become TRUE muslims????????????

  48. indan_az says

    @cannibal, now you exposed yourself completely, just read your yesterdays comment and see how much you have changed?? now you know zakir naik’s arguments too?
    by the way we do not eat pork because Allah prohibited it ie it is Allah’s commandment. we do not require any logic for it.
    because Allah is creator of everything so he knows what is good for us or not.
    now it is our duty to search and research reasons behind it. because islam is true and natural and universal religion so you can not find any teaching of islam against humanity or nature.
    either pig is from farm or gutter it has tapeworm and either you slaughter it and then you cook it in autoclave at high temperature still there are high chances of tapeworm infection. if you dont want tapeworm infection then you have to stop pork eating.

    • Cannibal says

      @indian_az

      Brother, lets not fight here. We can settle issues when we meet at dinner sometime. But lets grill Hindus now. For that we need to be logical in every aspect. Lets not make Islam look like fraud. If we prohibit pork just because it is written in our book then Hindus also say that they dont need to argue to be grass eaters, their books say so. For them, their God is creator and thus supreme for them. So lets not get emotional, be logical.

      Hey Hindu grass eaters, I am a Muslim now and I claim that there is no verse in Quran that prohibits human’s flesh. Human is also an animal and Allah has given us canines that can help us tear both pork and human and our intestines can well digest both and thus we Muslims can eat both.

      Please stop ridiculing Islam now for Allah’s sake. If tapeworm is the reason behind pork’s prohibition, the cows and fish must also be prohibited. Read more about beef tapeworm and fish tapeworm and know that cow and fish also have tapeworms. And there is no tapeworm found in humans, so no prohibition of human’s flesh according to science and Islam.

      So lets not ridicule Islam in front of these grass eater Kafirs. We eat everything because Allah has made us so.

      • indan_az says

        @cannibal, you have written “Brother, lets not fight here. We can settle issues when we meet at dinner sometime. But lets grill Hindus now. For that we need to be logical in every aspect. Lets not make Islam look like fraud. If we prohibit pork just because it is written in our book then Hindus also say that they dont need to argue to be grass eaters, their books say so. For them, their God is creator and thus supreme for them. So lets not get emotional, be logical.”
        we dont want to fight hindus instead we want to spread islam.
        agniveer and his team is spreading hatred and misguiding peoples so we use harsh language.
        yep if it is written in hindus book that do not eat meat and be vegetarian then thre is no problem. you can see firstly you cant define who is hindu? what act can make a hindu to non hindu? what are the books of hindus? which is the authentic translation of veda? can pure vegetarianism is possible? we never say that you can eat everything what you can, but islam say that eat pure(paak) things. brother cannibal please show me from where you get that pork and cow and fish has same tapeworm? you are playing game over here.
        you also said”Hey Hindu grass eaters, I am a Muslim now and I claim that there is no verse in Quran that prohibits human’s flesh. Human is also an animal and Allah has given us canines that can help us tear both pork and human and our intestines can well digest both and thus we Muslims can eat both.”
        dear y you are repeating quran quran when i have shown you clear verse of quran which prohibits pork? http://www.quran.com/5/3
        i also shown you that allah guided one person through crow to bury the deadbody in ground and it is clear cut evidence that islam is against cannibalism.
        i can show you many ahadis but i know what you are doing here.

        • Cannibal says

          @indian_az

          I am a Muslim but I am liberal by views. Now you are behaving like moron grass eaters, let me give you few of your arguments that when reversed at you would evaporate you in minutes

          1. What makes someone a Muslim? Is being Sunni or Shia, or Ahmadi or Barelvi or Deobandi or Ahle Hadith or Wahabi or Khoja or Bohra or Ismaili or Sufi or Tansukhiya ….. the guaranty of being Muslim? All of them have different rituals, food habits and philosophies :(

          2. Which is the authentic translation of Quran, I mean of Sunni or Shia’s or Khoja’s or…?

          3. Can pure non vegetarianism is possible? You say you eat pure things! Can an animal be purer than humans, why not then consume humans? And definition of pure for a hindu and for us can be different. For logical Muslims, pig of firms is consumable but for some it is prohibited. For us Cannibals, human flesh is pure.

          4. Tapeworms found in pigs, cows and fish have potential to cause diseases. By this logic, even beef and fish is haram.

          5. Please show me the clear verse of human’s flesh prohibition from Quran.

          6. How can a crow guide a person logically? Such stories cant be the part of original Quran that has to be scientific.

          Please stop doubting my intentions Brother, I am firm believer of Islam and science. Dont provoke me to bash you further.

          @all

          Please ignore his weak arguments, he does not represent True Islam here. Allah has created us as best of creatures and thus we can eat all species as Allah has created them for us.

          • indan_az says

            @cannibal, you are one of aryasamaji. you have written “i am a Muslim but I am liberal by views. Now you are behaving like moron grass eaters, let me give you few of your arguments that when reversed at you would evaporate you in minute”
            you are liar…. yesterday you were asking me kalima shahadah and asking me can i be a muslim? brother you know you cant deceive me. i have given you ayat regarding cannibalism . now you have to show me that pig, cow and fish have same tapeworm?

          • Cannibal says

            @indian_az

            I asked you for Kalma because I wanted to become Muslim and Inshallah I am the one now.

            I have read the ayat which instead of prohibiting, allows human flesh with a condition that it should be properly slaughtered and it should not be your brother.

            I never claimed that pig, cow and fish have same tapeworms. I said that if tapeworms argument is to be considered then you need to prohibit beef and fish as well. Here discover about beef http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_saginata

            So be logical and dont mock Islam in front of these grass eaters. Lets get united in the service of Islam.

          • indan_az says

            @cannibal, is it taenia saginata which is found in pigs? please do not give any reference from wickipedia. you said “Tapeworms found in pigs, cows and fish have potential to cause diseases. By this logic, even beef and fish is haram.” i have never said that pork is haram because of tapeworm. Allah prohibits pork thats all..
            but if you study then you can find that pork eating is harmful, eating dead animals is harmful, eating carnivorous animal is harmful to human and ecosystem also.

  49. indan_az says

    @cannibal, you are father of einstein, you have learned so much islam only in one night? then you must have read on that forum that cannibal cant be muslim. you in that verse of surah maida surah no 5 in allah guided one human by cow that how he should bury the dead body of his brother. if islam allowed cannibalism then Allow should guide that person that you should eat your brothers body and do not bury in ground.
    there are many other reasons and clearcut teachings of islam in which islam prohibits cannibalism. i know that you know but you are just enjoying here.

    • Cannibal says

      @indian_az

      Its all Allah’s grace and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)’s blessings that I could grasp so much in one night. Thanks for your compliments Brother.

      But please stop calling your imaginations as Quranic teachings. You are yet to show any verse from Quran that unequivocally states that human flesh is HARAM (prohibited). And you ridiculed Islam by giving foolish arguments of tapeworms etc. So please avoid giving false arguments because we are representing Islam here. If we err, its Islam ultimately that suffers. Hope you understand.

  50. indan_az says

    @cannibal, what do you think to islam?it is not aryasamaj that you cant show any clear and understandable teaching from veda.
    here is clear cut ayat/ verse of qura.
    http://quran.com/49/12
    surah alhujrat, surah no 49
    “O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.”
    here Allah is saying that you even cant think to eat flesh of your brother(ie human). eating human is beyond the imagination of any muslim. hope you now understand and not repeat your vile arguments if you believe that quran is word of Allah.

    • Cannibal says

      @indian_az

      Ya Allah can your best creature be so dumb? Let me describe this verse logically to you

      “Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?”

      We can conclude following from this verse

      1. Allah has never prohibited human’s flesh. In this verse Allah is just asking Muslims a question and guessing the answer.

      2. Even if it is prohibition, it is only of dead body’s flesh. If you slaughter the humans Islamic way, i.e. by removing all blood slowly, it is fine and consumable as for other animals.

      3. Verse talks about your Brother, so even if it is prohibition, it only applies to your brother. So you can eat others whom you dont have any relation with.

      Allah’s words are still unequivocal in the support of Cannibalism. Islam is great. All glories to Allah who is the lord of east and the west. May Allah give you Hidayah.

      • indan_az says

        @cannibal, i know that you can give only these arguments and i know that you are aryasamaji. you should know that for the explanation of quran we have search in ahadis because quran revealed on prophet muhammad. allah is not guessing the answer but giving the answer that “see you abhor it”. Allah knows what is in hearts, what i am thinking. regarding slaughtering of human you must know that if you kill any person then islam say that a murderer should be killed. i know that you know it. here brother means every human as in surah maida surah no 3 verse 5 Allah said two sons of adam who. as every person is son of adam (baniadam) so he is our brother. as allah said in quran “O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you. ” http://www.quran.com/4/1
        how could Allah prohibit from backbitting only to your real brother? it means Allah allow everybodies back bitting if any one has no real brother? what about back bitting of sisters? you are just kidding here..

        • Cannibal says

          @indian_az

          I now seriously doubt about your intentions towards Islam. Are you really a Muslim or an impostor? Your comment has so much of fallacies that will eventually lead to mocking of Islam by these grass eaters, for example

          1. You believe that Quran alone is insufficient and it needs some man made books aka ahadis to understand?

          2. If all humans are brothers just because they have come from same Adam and Eve then all females are sisters of all males in this world :( What a disaster!

          3. You say Allah created us from single pair, i.e. second generation after Adam and Eve who were siblings, had sex with each other? Brother-Sister sex? May Allah forgive me but you are a Kafir pretending to be a Muslim here so that Islam can be proved as religion of incest :( But I will not let you do so.

          @all

          This indian_az does not look Muslim, he is trying to malign Islam with his own interpretations of Quran. May Allah give you Hidayah.

  51. indan_az says

    @cannibal, you have written “Allah’s words are still unequivocal in the support of Cannibalism. Islam is great. All glories to Allah who is the lord of east and the west. May Allah give you Hidayah.”
    now you are using such words which shows that you know islam vey well. yesterday you were saying that ” brother can i accept your religion” as you dont know how to accept islam. now you know that what this verse mean and mr. indian-az is not representing true islam? you know i was your teacher .hahaha.
    i have understand you when i have seen you replicating as cannibals 2,3.. go and read vedas first. do you know how much vedas are there? can you tell me the numbers?

    • Cannibal says

      indian_az

      Their Vedas talk foolish. They say that they will eat plants but not animals. But they dont realize that plants, bacteria, animals, humans have same life as science has proved so. Thus it is Islam only that must be believed where we Muslims are allowed to consume every Paak (Pure) thing. We can digest and tear all kinds of flesh and thus it is the sign of Allah that we can consume everything.

      And FYI, I am not Cannibal 1,2,3. They might have come here to see our discussion but I dont know them. May be we can meet and discuss things and clarify the misconceptions. But dont cheat Islam, come to the path of Allah.

      • indan_az says

        @cannibal, when i have read regarding difference of tapeworm of beef and pork my faith increased and i said “ALLAH O AKBAR” the difference between two tapeworm shows that quran is true book and islam is true religion. you can ask any doctor regarding the difference between two tapeworms and also you can read from the reference which i have given. ALLAH O AKBAR

        • Cannibal says

          @indian_az

          Truly said! My faith has also increased many times in Islam. ALLAH O AKBAR.

          I found that there are beef tapeworms, fish tapeworms, pork tapeworms but there are no human tapeworms, it means beef eating and pork eating can cause diseases but consuming human flesh is absolutely safe. Another proof of truthfulness of Islam and Cannibalism being logical and in the lines of Islam.

          ALLAH O AKBAR

          • indan_az says

            @cannibal, you have tapeworm in your brain. i have seen that no warrior of agniveer is interrupting ie truth siker, vik, dharamyodha. every body know that truth siker cant stop himself from commenting. truth siker y u have not commented today? hahaha

          • Karna says

            @Cannibal
            ROFL. Hats off brother!! I bow down to you. I read all your comments and that of @indian_az trying his best to justify that meat-eating is allowed but not cannibalism. You ripped-off his thoughts open and brought his foolishness & ignorance in front of everyone. Great conversation to learn from.
            -Karna

    • GOD IS GREAT says

      आप यह देखिए !
      hinduebooks.blogspot.com/2011/03/four-vedas-sanskrit-text-with-hindi.html
      aryasamajjamnagar.org/atharvavedabook.htm
      docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=dmVkaWNncmFudGgub3JnfHd3d3xneDo1NDkwNjk2N2Y1ODEyMDk5
      vedpuran.com/brahma.asp?bookid=22&secid=1&pageno=001&Ved=Y

      दुर्भाग्यवश इनमें से किसी के भी सत्य होने का सम्पूर्ण दावा नही किया जा सकता क्योकि वेदिक ज्ञान को किसी विकल्प में नही बान्धा जा सकता। यह सभी अनुवाद मात्र एक दिशा के समान लिए जाय – सम्पूर्ण अनुवाद के रूपमें नही। It is impossible to translate Vedas because they represent knowledge that cannot be expressed in alternate words.

  52. Carl says

    Namaste.
    I have been discussing this issue with a Hindu friend of mine, a linguistics major, who holds that the Vedas give evidence that animal sacrifice was a part of that historic period’s culture. Could Agniveer or any others here please provide alternative Nirukta-based interpretations of the following verses from Veda and Brahmanas? I am reproducing his interpretation here:

    “Yājñavalkya wrote quite unequivocally in the śatapatha brāhmaṇa : ‘paramannādyaṃ yanmāṃsaṃ’ (this meat is the best food). Here’s the full quote on the merits of animal sacrifice:

    Quote:
    sa yatpaśubandhena yajate ātmānamevaitanniṣkrīṇīte …
    paramannādyaṃ yanmāṃsaṃ sa paramasyaivānnādyasyāttā bhavati taṃ vai saṃvatsaro nānījanamatīyādāyurvai saṃvatsara āyurevaitadamṛtamātmandhatte

    ‘He who thus sacrifices with an animal, redeems himself. This meat is the best food. He becomes the one who eats the best food. Let not a year go without him sacrificing thus – a year of good health. He gives himself immortality and good health.’”

    Then from RigVeda he quotes what seems to be explicit descriptions of slaughter and consumption:

    “RV 1.162:

    eṣa chāgaḥ puro aśvena vājinā pūṣṇo bhāgo nīyate viśvadevyaḥ

    This she-goat who is Pusan’s share is led towards the steed.

    yad dhaviṣyam ṛtuśo devayānaṃ trirmānuṣāḥ paryaśvaṃ nayanti

    Thrice the men lead the horse around as it goes to the Gods.

    ad vājino dāma sundānamarvato yā śīrṣaṇyā …
    … tṛṇaṃ sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu

    May the steed’s reins etc. grass in the mouth be among the Gods.

    yadaśvasya kraviṣo makṣikāśa …
    yad dhastayoḥ śamituryan nakheṣu sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu

    What horse’s flesh the fly ate, …
    … what was stuck to the hands and nails of the slayer, may this too be amongst the Gods

    yadūvadhyamudarasyāpavāti ya āmasya kraviṣo gandho asti

    What undigested food is in it’s stomach and the smell of the flesh

    …medhaṃ śṛtapākaṃ pacantu

    May the sacrifice be nicely cooked

    yat te gātrādagninā pacyamānādabhi …

    That from your limbs which is cooked by fire

    mā tad bhūmyāmā śriṣan mā tṛṇeṣu devebhyastaduśadbhyo

    May that left on the ground or grass be willingly offered to the Gods.

    ye vājinaṃ paripaśyanti pakvaṃ ya īmāhuḥ surabhirnirhareti
    ye cārvato māṃsabhikṣāmupāsata uto teṣāmabhigūrtirna invatu

    They who look out for the cooked (or ready) steed, say the smell is good
    They who await the distribution of meat, their approval strengthen this

    nikramaṇaṃ niṣadanaṃ vivartanaṃ yacca paḍbīśamarvataḥ
    yacca papau yacca ghāsiṃ jaghāsa sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu

    Where it walked, where it rested and paced around ropes that bound its feet
    What it drank, what it masticated, all these are among Gods

    catustriṃśad vājino devabandhorvaṅkrīraśvasya svadhitiḥsameti
    The axe falls upon the 34-ribbed steed who is Gods’ own

    yā te gātrāṇām ṛtuthā kṛṇomi tā-tā piṇḍanāṃ pra juhomyagnau

    Of these limbs, I set in order, make balls and to fire I offer

    mā tvā tapat priya ātmāpiyantaṃ mā svadhitistanva ātiṣṭhipat te

    Let not your dear soul heat up, let not the axe remain (stuck) in you

    na vā u etan mriyase na riṣyasi devānideṣi pathibhiḥ sugebhiḥ

    No you (the sacrificed horse) aren’t dead or injured, you go to Gods on good roads

    sugavyaṃ no vājī svaśvyaṃ puṃsaḥ putrānuta viśvāpuṣaṃ rayim

    May this steed give us good cattle, manly sons, nourishing riches.”

    He further writes:
    “We only have to take any Brahmaṇa and read the verses recited in a typical animal sacrifice yajña to determine the purpose, based on the yūpa (sacrifical post) …

    KB_10.1.10: pālāśam.brahma.varcasa.kāmaḥ.kurvīta
    KB_10.1.11: bailvam.anna.adya.kāmaḥ
    KB_10.1.12: khādiram.svarga.kāmaḥ

    KB_10.9.2: sarvā.ha.vai.devatāḥ.paśum.ālabhyamānam.upasaṃgacchante.mama.nāma.grahīṣyati”

    Regarding the use of a grain-cake doll in animal form used in certain yajnas, he says:

    “ABR_2.1.8: tad yat paśau puroḷāśam anunirvapanti: samedhena naḥ paśuneṣṭam asat, kevalena naḥ paśuneṣṭam asad iti

    So the grain cake was originally not a substitute of the animal – but an accompaniment in the sacrifice.”

    “Referring to the grain-cake it says : it’s husk be the hair, the chaff the skin, the flakes it’s blood, the pounded grain it’s flesh; the hard mass be it’s bones.

    ABR_2.9.2: tasya yāni kiṃśārūṇi tāni romāṇi, ye tuṣāḥ sā tvag, ye phalīkaraṇās tad asṛg, yat piṣṭaṃ kiknasās tan māṃsaṃ, yat ՚0 kiṃ ՚0 cit ՚0 kaṃsāraṃ tad asthi”

  53. Carl says

    OK I found some alternative translations myself from the Hindi commentary published at:
    http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/rugveda/rugveda.htm

    Here it is in case anyone reads this:

    The people that my friend above had quoted think the whole chapter is one long description of men killing their horses and eating them. Words like “yUpa” are taken to mean a a very specific and limited object – the sacrificial post to which the animal is tied, etc. But it doesn’t have to mean something so limited and specific at all. People like Sayana, etc may have surveyed the contemporary ritual scene around them and given the Veda such specific meanings. A lot of the translations in this view are plausible, but don’t really make any sense whatsoever, nor do they do justice to the Sanskrit language. In Sw. Dayananda’s translation, they seems to make some sense, are supported by fact, and are plausible too.

    verse 3: eṣa chāgaḥ puro aśvena vājinā pūṣṇo bhāgo nīyate viśvadevyaḥ

    Here is Sw. Dayananda’s bhAvArtha (my translations from Hindi):
    “The knowledgeable man who feeds his horses goat’s milk and who partakes of well-cooked food is always peaceful.”

    Those who rear and show horses know that, especially prior to a horse show, they feed their horses goat-milk. This is supposed to calm down the horses, reduce their nervousness and anxiety, and make them stable, peaceful and alert, especially before a significant event (like a sacrifice perhaps? or maybe any other event).

    (My only question about Dayananda’s translation is that “chAga” is masculine, no?)

    verse 4:
    yad dhaviṣyam ṛtuśo devayānaṃ trirmānuṣāḥ paryaśvaṃ nayanti

    Sw. Dayananda’s translation: “Those who create vehicles that can adapt and thrive in all seasons, and who raise horses and goats for the benefit of the world, they attain to all three – physical, spoken and mental peace and health.”

    verse 8:
    ad vājino dāma sundānamarvato yā śīrṣaṇyā …
    … tṛṇaṃ sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu

    Sw. Dayananda’s bhAvArtha: “Those men of awareness who maintain their horses securely, their senses reined in, and adorned with the best equipments, and who then feed them well and get them to execute mighty tasks, such people can accomplish the highest behaviors such as victory, etc.”

    verse 9:
    yadaśvasya kraviṣo makṣikāśa …
    yad dhastayoḥ śamituryan nakheṣu sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu

    Why is “shamitR” translated as “slayer” in that other translation? Clearly its not proceeding from the Sanskrit roots, where it means “one who keeps his mind calm; tranquillized , relieved , quelled , quenched, etc.”. Clearly, the word “slayer” is used only because the translator above is proceeding from the assumption that the scene is one of animal slaughter.

    His bhAvArtha: “Attendants should maintain the horses so that they are not troubled by malodorous smears on their body, and the flies, mosquitoes and their stings that it attracts. With their hands, nails and ropes, etc they must create a fine harness and goad, so that the beast learns to move according to human will. By doing so, the horse becomes restrained, focused and obedient and can do great works.”

    verse 10:
    yadūvadhyamudarasyāpavāti ya āmasya kraviṣo gandho asti…

    Sw. Dayananda’s bhAvArtha: “Men are relieved from stomach diseases and problems with the apAna-vAyu by eating well-cooked and medicinal foods.”

    verse 11:
    yat te gātrādagninā pacyamānādabhi …
    …mā tad bhūmyāmā śriṣan mā tṛṇeṣu devebhyastaduśadbhyo

    Sw. Dayananda’s bhAvArtha: “Able bodied men of awareness ought to know that in battle they must wield their weapons thoughtfully and not in frenzied rage, clinically intending only to kill the enemy – for a weapon wielded in rage may fall onto the ground, etc. (and therefore defeat the purpose).”

    verse 12:
    ye vājinaṃ paripaśyanti pakvaṃ ya īmāhuḥ surabhirnirhareti
    ye cārvato māṃsabhikṣāmupāsata uto teṣāmabhigūrtirna invatu

    His bhAvArtha: “Those people who know how to purify, cook and consume food and water, and who abjure meat and consume well cooked diets that compensates for all nutrients, such people are active and blessed with perseverance.”

    verse 14:
    nikramaṇaṃ niṣadanaṃ vivartanaṃ yacca paḍbīśamarvataḥ
    yacca papau yacca ghāsiṃ jaghāsa sarvā tā te api deveṣvastu

    Sw. Dayananda’s translation: “Oh knowledgeable trainer, just as a beautifully trained steed walks and jumps obediently and majestically, in the same way people who are taught by those with high knowingness become civilized; just as horses eat and drink their fill and digest it fully, so also may there be men radiant with such trained knowledge.”

    verse 18:
    catustriṃśad vājino devabandhorvaṅkrīraśvasya svadhitiḥsameti

    Sw. Dayananda’s translation: “Oh men! That cause from which electric lightening is produced (in the sky), that cause actually pervades everything here on earth too. Try to bring that much of this lightening into your use as does not hurt or endanger life and limb. For those who know the properties of Agni (elemental Fire) and suitably by experiment make use of its properties, for them what work cannot be accomplished, i.e. all is made possible!”

    However, I do think that the number “34″ is interesting. Most horses have 36 ribs, though some Arabian steeds have 34, and so this number in this verse is certainly interesting. In comparison, the above translation doesn’t tell what “34 properties” are.

    from verse 19:
    yā te gātrāṇām ṛtuthā kṛṇomi tā-tā piṇḍanāṃ pra juhomyagnau

    Sw. Dayananda’s interpretation: “For that knowledgeable one who can analyze and splits all elements, who uses the different forms of electric charge as per the seasonal mode, availability and creative potential, and who accomplishes mighty tasks by knowing the praised properties of Agni and feeding the flames with masses of wood and other materials that posses concentrated parts (‘samghAton ke ang’), how can such a man not be the knower of shilpavidyA (art of constructive activity and translating Idea into Form)?”

    verse 20:
    mā tvā tapat priya ātmāpiyantaṃ mā svadhitistanva ātiṣṭhipat te

    Sw. Dayananda’s take: “Those men who practice yoga and oneness, death does not trouble them by fatal diseases, and even other diseases do not trouble them during life as they do to men with material hankerings.”

    verse 21:
    na vā u etan mriyase na riṣyasi devānideṣi pathibhiḥ sugebhiḥ

    Sw. Dayananda’s take: “Those men who consolidate their minds by the practice of yoga, especially those divine yogis who find Dharmic pathways of executing yoga, they link their Souls with the Supersoul, and are said to have obtained freedom (moksha).”

    verse 22:
    sugavyaṃ no vājī svaśvyaṃ puṃsaḥ putrānuta viśvāpuṣaṃ rayim

    Sw. Dayananda says that this verse has a vAcaka-luptOpamA-alankAra..a broken simile that omits the particle of comparison. So his translation is: “Those who use the knowledge of the elemental Earth and other elements in order to raise and nourish cattle, horses and human children with strength, and who accumulate capital and then use the speed of Agni element to expand the rashtra and yet remain without corruption and peaceful, such men should try to make others also like this.”

    Sw. Dayananda adds: “This sUkta of the RigVeda manifests the ashvarUpa aspect of Agni, and by understanding it in this way it is coherent with the previous sUkta. It is important to observe this significant point.”

  54. Jay Arya says

    can you explain this verse agniveer The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 6/4/18 He who wishes that a son should be born to him who would be a reputed scholar, frequenting the assemblies and speaking delightful words, would study all the Vedas and attain a full term of life, should have rice cooked with the meat of a vigorous bull or one more advanced in years, and he and his wife should eat it with clarified butter. Then they would be able to produce such a son.?

    • says

      First, Brihadaranyak is not an evidence for us. We accept it only to extent it complies with Vedas. But this is with regards to some other aspects of Brihadaranyak. As for this reference, do let us know which word in verse means “meat of a vigorous bull’ and you will get the answer.

      • Jay Arya says

        i dont understand what you are tryng to say the verse clearly say ‘ rice cooked with meat of vigourous bull’ i understand you dont fully follow upanishads but you can help also can you explain ‘The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad’ at 6/4/13 If anybody’s wife has the monthly sickness, she should drink of three days out of a cup (Kamsa). No Sudra man or woman should touch her. After three nights she should bathe, put on a new cloth, and be put to thresh rice.

        • says

          Brihadaranyak is not written in English brother. Please look at original Sanskrit and let us know which word means “meat of vigorous bull”. You will get the answer. As for 6/4/13, again you are requested to provide original reference.

          • says

            That is the point brother. There are thousands of allegations flying without credible referencing. First step should be to get the original source. And then instead of debating on translation, we can analyze the source. In this case. words that mean herbs were used to mean bull by translators, with fundamental flaw.

          • Roshan says

            Namaste Agniveerji,,

            This is the Original Sanskrit Verse( i dont have Hindi Fonts ),

            Brihadaranyak 6:4:18 :-” Atha Ya IchetPutro Mae Pandito Vigitah Samitingamah Shu’shrushitaam Vaacham Bhashitaa Jaayet , Sarvaan’Vedan’Nu’BruVeet ,SarvaMaayuriyaDiti ,Maasoudanam PaachaYitva Sarpisham’antam’Shriyatam ; Ishwaro Janyitve –Oukshen VaarshBhen Vaa ..”

            Madhavaananda has Translated this verse in English .. I think the word “Maasoudanam” wil be in question as he has not given word by word translations. he says the meat is restricted to the “vigorous bull” or “one more advanced in years”..

            Also i dont understand the fact that Upanishads were supposed to give Spiritual Knowledge … Do other upanishads also have such Wordly knowledge?

            An also pls tell which word has been misinterpreted..

            i think the whole last part of this Upanishad is Nonsense and in Contradiction with Vedas.

          • says

            Dear Roshan,

            So you see words in contention are:
            Maasoudanam
            Oukshen
            Varshbhen

            Now Maansa means pulp. Amramansa means pulp of mango. It does not mean meat always.

            The words Oukshen and Varshbhen are alleged to mean bull. But if both mean bull, why two words are used? No one explains this.

            If you refer even to Monier Williams Dictionary (Monier was a critic of Hindu culture and has clearly stated that his goal for writing this dictionary was to make Hindus hate Hinduism and accept Bible), he clearly lists the two words to mean certain kind of herbs apart from bull. So the verse talks about eating pulp of these herbs. This is further corroborated by previous verses, none of which refer to meat. They talk about having a child with mastery over 1 Ved, 2 Ved, 3 Ved and then 4 Ved (this verse).

            So it is clear that the verse is not about meat at least.

            Coming to our own view on Upanishads, here it is:

            Ishopanishad is amazing, source of all great philosophies and unparalleled in literature available. Geeta is based on Ishopanishad.

            Other Upanishads like Katha, Kena, Mundak, Mandukya, Shwetashwatar, Aitareya, Prashna are good source of spiritual wisdom. But they are not as perfect as ishopanishad.

            Chhandogya and Brihadaranyak are not recommended by us. Either we have been unable to understand them or they have been adulterated. But whatever be the case, we find several objectionable things in them that are against Vedas, if we go by all available translations and whatever we could think of. If you leave these parts aside, they do contain a lot of good material as well. But we will definitely not recommend them to those who are still developing their spiritual framework and have a lot of questions.

          • Jay Arya says

            i believe roshan thankfully gave sanskrit verse but the problem is the english translation is done by vedanta asaram they follow upanishads they say this is only for set time while vedanta goes above this verse but if you dont read the commentary and see the verse you would think this verse allows eating bull and those that follow upanishads didnt know about it

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