Were Buddhists Persecuted By Hindus?

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This article is not against Buddhism or Buddhists but against those that run false factories to repeat the lie that Hindus used violence to uproot Buddhism from this land.

While there are many reasons why the history of this great land needs to be relooked and rewritten, the myth of the persecution of Buddhists by Hindus would find an entry amongst the top 3 reasons, to get it done. What is most interesting in this whole propaganda of persecution of Buddhists by Hindus is that it is Jihadis worldwide who look most concerned with this centuries old issue on humanitarian grounds forgetting that it were their fellow Momins aka Taliban  only, in Afghanistan, who blew the ‘dirty’ Bamiyan Buddha statues and showed how much Jihadis care for Buddhists in 21st Century!

The point of this article is to expose the fallacy of the argument of Hindu persecution of Buddhists, with specific instances from Buddhist historical accounts. The scope of this article is not about delving into the theological aspects of what Siddhartha Gautama Buddha taught or the various schools of Buddhism prevalent today. We proceed to the meat of the article right away by looking at Buddhist historical accounts at the time of Emperor Ashoka, who was instrumental in the spreading of Buddhism far and wide.

Myth  #1: Emperor Ashoka became enlightened after embracing Buddhism and he was the first and the last secular emperor ever to have ruled India.

As we all know, Ashoka, propelled by a sense of guilt after the bloodbath in Kalinga embraced Buddhism as some form of redemption to overcome the same. Not many Marxist historians and Islamic historians in India do seem to acknowledge a little fact that Emperor Ashoka was helped by two of his Hindu mentors in this move. So, to start with, if Hindus were as dogmatic about their faiths, as these historians have projected Hindus to be and had persecuted Buddhists, why and how did those that had sway over this great emperor allow him to embrace Buddhism as his personal faith?

And the anti-Hindu bias of these historians has forced them to hide Ashoka’s disdain towards other faiths, after he became a Buddhist. Here is an incident chronicled in “Ashokavadana” (acts of Ashoka) and I am quoting it verbatim – “….an incident occurred which greatly enraged the king. A follower of the Nirgrantha (Mahavira) painted a picture, showing Buddha prostrating himself at the feet of the Nirgrantha. Ashoka ordered all the Ajivikas of Pundravardhana (North Bengal) to be killed. In one day, eighteen thousand Ajivikas lost their lives. A similar kind of incident took place in the town of Pataliputra. A man who painted such a picture was burnt alive with his family. It was announced that whoever would bring the king the head of a Nirgrantha would be rewarded with a dinara (a gold coin). As a result of this, thousands of Nirgranthas lost their lives.” Only when Vitashoka, Ashoka’s favourite Arhat (an enlightened monk, a Theravada-Buddhist saint), was mistaken for a Nirgran tha and killed by a man desirous of the reward, did Ashoka revoke the order.

But our biased historians would never even acknowledge this, as, Buddhism was supposed to have cleansed Ashoka of all negativities and this incident flies in the face of the secular image that these folks have carefully built.

Myth #2: King Pushyamitra was a Hindu bigot that slaughtered Buddhist monks.

This King Pushyamitra , who was a military general in the Mauryan army (when the dynasty’s power was on the wane), executed a coup and he founded the Shunga dynasty. The charge that historians desperately try to make is exactly the account we saw above (what Ashoka did), excepting that this time, Ashoka has been replaced by Pushyamitra and instead of Nirgranthas, the victims were Buddhist monks. And the delta information in deriding Pushyamitra comes in the form of a powerful Arhat creating many of the monks’ heads and having them sent to King Pushyamitra’s court.  Do we need anything more in terms the credibility of the accounts of King Pushyamitra persecuting Buddhists? The myth seems to hinge on some magic of a senior Buddhist monk creating severed heads of other monks and sending them to the king! Also, this narrative on Pushyamitra occurs towards the end of Ashokavadana. And it gets even shallower, as, there are historical accounts of King Pushyamitra patronizing the construction of many Buddhist monasteries. This is where the statement of the historian Etienne Lamotte assumes significance: “To judge from the documents, Pushyamitra must be acquitted through lack of proof.”  (History of Indian Buddhism, Institut Orientaliste, Louvain-la-Neuve 1988/1958, p.109)

Myth #3: Hindu rulers systematically uprooted Buddhism.

This is a very generic myth and to counter it we are going to use chronicles of Chinese travelers, some of whom, where students of Buddhist theology. When Hieun Tsang (the Chinese traveler and a student of Buddhist theology) was in India, king Harshavardhana organized the Kanauj assembly (643 AD). This king was a patron of both Shaivism and Buddhism and in fact Harshavardhana has written plays integrating legends from Puranas and Jataka. The invitees to the Kanauj assembly included King Bhaskaravarman of Kamrupa (Assam), many Buddhist monks, Hindu and Jain scholars. And where did Hieun Tsang pursue further studies? He did it in Buddhist University of Nalanda. Had Hindu rulers were so intent on finishing off Buddhism, how did this University survive? And a couple of centuries prior to this assembly at Kanauj, another Chinese traveler Faxian (330 – 420 AD) had chronicled the hold of Buddhism in India. Even in the two centuries between these two Chinese travelers, Buddhism did not wither away, which, clearly indicates that across this land ruled by Hindu kings, the growth of Buddhism was never curtailed.

And let us further see what we can infer from Hieun Tsang about Buddhism in India, in his works –

  • Buddhism was popular in Kanyakubja (modern day UP).
  • Kanyakubja  had 100 monasteries and 10,000 bhikshus along with 200 “Deva” (Hindu) temples
  • Konkanpura (perhaps modern day Konkan or may be the areas around Kolhapur), he found great numbers of Buddhists coexisting with a similar number of non-Buddhists
  • In Sindh he finds a large Sammitiya and Theravada population. He reports a fair number of Buddhists in what is now Pakistan.

His chronicles, while discussing that some of the Hindu kings were not favorable to Buddhism, does not anywhere mention anything close to state sponsored violence being unleashed against Buddhists by these Hindu kings. And our Chinese friend (a known Buddhist student of theology) was of some repute and if these Hindu kings were so bigoted (as our modern day historians would have us believe), he would not have been allowed to enter into such kingdoms at all.

So what the above instances go to show is that Hindu kings were not Hindu extremists that destroyed Buddhism, as, the modern day historians try to claim. Given the obvious gaps in their falsified accunts, some of the historians use King Mihirakula as a Hindu poster boy that unleashed violence against Buddhists. But what they willfully gloss over is that this king was not a Hindu but was a Hun ruler that belonged to a clan (of Central Asian Xionites origin) that invaded North West India. The historians claim that King Mihirakula was a Shiavitie but in his campaigns against the kingdom of Malwa and Gwalior, he razed down temples and Buddhist stupas alike and this confirms his non-Hindu origins. Just to be doubly sure, I am also presenting his lineage which proves he was not a Hindu. Mihirakula was the son of the Hun ruler called Toramana and their Hun lineage and the spread of the kingdom can be seen in the Jain literary work called Kuvalayamala.

But our biased historians will have none of these and they will continue to parrot the lie that Hindu kings like Pushyamitra and Mihirakula persecuted Buddhists!

Myth #4: Adi Shankaracharya instigated Hindu kings to rid India of Buddhism

This is a myth that is completely unfounded. The historical records show that by the time Adi Shankaracharya started traveling and engaging Buddhist scholars in theological debates, Buddhism was already on the wane, due to the fact that monasteries started becoming organized power centers of kingdoms and instead of propagating the message of Gautama Buddha, they ended up setting agendas and started influencing the public discourse on theology. Buddhism had, by Adi Shankara’s time become monastery centric and the closed groups of monks started becoming corrupt. And  in order to cling on to their exalted status the monks started espousing the very same superstitious beliefs that the original Buddha sought to destroy in the society of his time. Of course, we will deep-dive into reasons for the decline of Buddhism towards the end of this article.

Returning to Shankara, if anything the spade work for a theological counterpoint / debate against Buddhism was put in place by the famous Purva Mimamsa scholar called Kumarila Bhatta from modern day Assam. He had enrolled in the Nalanda University to understand Buddhist theology so that he can do a comparative study with Vedas. He was thrown out of the University, when, he questioned the understanding of one of his teachers on Vedic philosophy, who, criticized the Vedas. Kumarila Bhatta had already weakened the theological hold of Buddhism amongst the masses, by the time Shankara arrived. Kumarila Bhatta engaged many a Buddhist scholar in public debates on Vedas and was instrumental in many kings that patronized these Buddhist scholars returning back to the Vedic fold.

The debates that Shankara engaged in had the criterion that the one that lost the debate should embrace the faith of the victor. When Buddhist scholars lost debate after debate with Shankara, they had no choice but to honor the commitment and when they did so, the king / prince to whom these Buddhist scholars were mentors ended up following suit. There is nothing in the historical records, even remotely, to suggest that Shankara forced Hindu kings to unleash violence against the Buddhists.

While he did engage in discussions with many rulers persuasively about Hindu dharma, the charge of this Hindu Guru engaging in violence against Buddhists is the unilateral dream of biased historians. There is not even a shred of evidence that substantiates the charge of Adi Shankaracharya instigating violence against Buddhists. And just to be sure, if we deep dive into the Advaita philosophy, as expounded by Adi Shankaracharya, the same ethics  that are seen in the Vedas, Upanishads & Bhagavad Gita, like truth, non-violence, service etc are seen. Had Adi Shankaracharya acted against what he publicly preached or had he done things blatantly contradicted the message of Vedas, he would have ceased to be the philosopher / saint he is.

Decline of Buddhism in India:

Here is where the falsified, unsubstantiated blatant lies of many a historian will be buried. Now, will our biased historians give us details of which of the Hindu kings pillaged and burnt down Buddhist monasteries? They hardly can but we are going to churn out some hard hitting facts.

  • An excerpt from “History Of Magadha” by L.L.S. Omalley; J.F.W. James (Veena Publication, Delhi, 2005, pp. 35: “ The Buddhism of Magadha was finally swept away by the Muhammadan invasion under Bakhtiyar Khilji, In 1197 the capital, Bihar, was seized by a small party of two hundred horsemen, who rushed the postern gate, and sacked the town.    The slaughter of the “shaven-headed Brahmans,” as the Muslim chronicler calls the Buddhist monks, was so complete that when the victor searched for someone capable of explaining the contents of the monastic libraries, not a living man could be found who was able to do so. “It was discovered,” it was said, “that the whole fort and city was a place of study.”  A similar fate befell the other Buddhist institutions, against which the combined intolerance and rapacity of the invaders was directed. The monasteries were sacked and the monks slain, many of the temples were ruthlessly destroyed or desecrated, and countless idols were broken and trodden under foot. Those monks who escaped the sword flied to Tibet, Nepal and southern India; and Buddhism as a popular religion in Bihar, its last abode in Northern India, was finally destroyed. Then forward Patna passed under Muhammadan rule.”
  • And what did the Hindus that were fighting the Muhammadan invaders do for Buddhism during the invasions? Here are some excerpts from Alexander Berzin’s “The Historical Interaction between the Buddhist and Islamic Cultures before the Mongol Empire”:
    • Although the Mithila rulers were Shaivite Hindus, they continued the Pala patronage of Buddhism and offered strong resistance against the Ghurids. They stopped, for example, an attempted drive to take Tibet in 1206.
    • The Sena king (Hindu) installed defensive garrisons at Odantapuri and Vikramashila Monasteries, which were imposing walled citadels directly on the Ghurids’ line of advance.
    • A Tibetan monk called Dharmaswamin visited Nalanda in 1235, nearly forty years after its sack, and found a small class still conducted in the ruins by a ninety-year old monk, Rahul Sribhadra. Weak and old, the teacher was kept fed and alive by a local Brahmin, Jayadeva. Warned of a roving band of 300 Turks, the class dispersed, with Dharmaswamin carrying his nonagenarian teacher on his back into hiding. Only the two of them came back, and after the last lesson (it was Sanskrit grammar) Rahul Sribhadra told his Tibetan student that he had taught him all he knew and in spite of his entreaties asked him to go home. Packing a raggedy bundle of surviving manuscripts under his robe, Dharmaswamin left the old monk sitting calmly amidst the ruins. And both he and the Dharma of Sakyamuni made their exit from India.

 

  • Dr.Ambedkar’s take on the topic:

 

There can be no doubt that the fall of Buddhism in India was due to the invasions of the Musalmans,” writes the author. “Islam came out as the enemy of the ‘But’. The word ‘But,’ as everybody knows, is an Arabic word and means an idol. Not many people, however, know that the derivation of the word ‘But’ is the Arabic corruption of Buddha. Thus the origin of the word indicates that in the Moslem mind idol worship had come to be identified with the Religion of the Buddha. To the Muslims, they were one and the same thing. The mission to break the idols thus became the mission to destroy Buddhism. Islam destroyed Buddhism not only in India but wherever it went. Before Islam came into being Buddhism was the religion of Bactria, Parthia, Afghanistan, Gandhar and Chinese Turkestan, as it was of the whole of Asia….”

 

Dr.Ambedkar also laments the nature of priesthood and the practices of the communities (Buddhism and Hinduism) that enabled Hinduism to survive, while, Buddhism was not so lucky, against the brutal assaults by Muhammadans. “Such was the slaughter of the Buddhist priesthood perpetrated by the Islamic invaders. The axe was struck at the very root. For by killing the Buddhist priesthood, Islam killed Buddhism. This was the greatest disaster that befell the religion of the Buddha in India….” He continues elsewhere “…and the difference is so great that it contains the whole reason why Brahmanism survived the attack of Islam and why Buddhism did not.”

 

The lists of similar instances are available across the books that have been quoted above. But the biased historians of our land willfully follow an ostrich like approach and keep repeating the lie that Hindus uprooted Buddhism from India, violently. May truth prevail.

 

References:

  •  http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org
  • Buddhist Records of the Western Countries written by Hsien-tsang (circa 650 AD). Taken from Translations by Thomas Watters (1904) and Samuel Beal (1884)
  • Messengers of light: Chinese Buddhist pilgrims in India by Paul Magnin Unesco Courier, Vol. 48 No.5 May.1995 Pp.24-27.
  • History Of Magadha by L.L.S. Omalley; J.F.W. James
  • Alexander Berzin’s “The Historical Interaction between the Buddhist and Islamic Cultures before the Mongol Empire
  • http://satyameva-jayate.org
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  1. rashmi says

    On the similar lines Arun shourie has written on the fall of buddhism. His articles can be read at voice of dharama, Swami vivekananadas article are also enlightening in this context

    • bhinder says

      whole marxist,psuedo sikular really damaged india karmic dharmic civilisation brought havoc of absurdities of foreign invaded thought whole nation is suffering ,we are very confusion what we are ,neither we call britishenglish,,nor deshi,,,indian,,whole self pride is totally gone

      • Arjen says

        ”England has a double role to fulfill in India, one destruction of Indian society, two replacing it with western materialism” KARL MARX.

  2. KalBhairav says

    @Apollo Reach:

    Great article again!

    Just to add to your point that Adi Shankara did not conspire to defeat Buddhism. By most historical accounts the Brahmasutras seem to have been authored by Badarayana around ~200 BCE to 200 CE. The main opponent that the Brahmasutras seek to refute are the Samkhyans. While the Brahmasutras *do* have sections seeking to refute Buddhism, they are much smaller in content than the sections devoted to refuting the Samkhya. We may reasonably conclude that Buddhism was already on the wane by the time the Brahmasutras were authored – which is much before Adi Shankara’s time.

    Also, on a somewhat different note, it was the Nyaya Darshana and Mimamsa Darshana that were the fiercest opponents of Buddhism intellectually.

  3. says

    Excellant article. Now a days its a fashion among Neo Buddhists backed by christian misisonaries to condemn hindus about mass killing of Buddhists on name of Dharma which is again a baseless and a false allegation. Point to note is that so called Neo Buddhists whom even Buddhist dharm guru Dalai Lama had considered as danger to Buddhism ignores Muslim persecuation of Buddhists. Dr Ambedkar in last days of his life was planning to write a book on decline of Buddhism in Asia. but he was not able to complete this useful work and sure it was due to ISLAM.

  4. says

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    सनातन धर्मरक्षक महान सम्राट – पुष्यमित्र शुंग

    सुमित कुमार उपाध्याय

    मोर्य वंश के महान सम्राट चन्द्रगुप्त के पोत्र महान अशोक (?) ने कलिंग युद्ध के पश्चात् बौद्ध धर्म अपना लिया। अशोक अगर राजपाठ छोड़कर बौद्ध भिक्षु बनकर धर्म प्रचार में लगता तब वह वास्तव में महान होता । परन्तु अशोक ने एक बौध सम्राट के रूप में लग भाग २० वर्ष तक शासन किया। अहिंसा का पथ अपनाते हुए उसने पूरे शासन तंत्र को बौद्ध धर्म के प्रचार व प्रसार में लगा दिया। अत्यधिक अहिंसा के प्रसार से भारत की वीर भूमि बौद्ध भिक्षुओ व बौद्ध मठों का गढ़ बन गई थी। उससे भी आगे जब मोर्य वंश का नौवा अन्तिम सम्राट व्रहद्रथ मगध की गद्दी पर बैठा ,तब उस समय तक आज का अफगानिस्तान, पंजाब व लगभग पूरा उत्तरी भारत बौद्ध बन चुका था । जब सिकंदर व सैल्युकस जैसे वीर भारत के वीरों से अपना मान मर्दन करा चुके थे, तब उसके लगभग ९० वर्ष पश्चात् जब भारत से बौद्ध धर्म की अहिंसात्मक निति के कारण वीर वृत्ति का लगभग ह्रास हो चुका था, ग्रीकों ने सिन्धु नदी को पार करने का साहस दिखा दिया।
    सम्राट व्रहद्रथ के शासनकाल में ग्रीक शासक मिनिंदर जिसको बौद्ध साहित्य में मिलिंद कहा गया है ,ने भारत वर्ष पर आक्रमण की योजना बनाई। मिनिंदर ने सबसे पहले बौद्ध धर्म के धर्म गुरुओं से संपर्क साधा,और उनसे कहा कि अगर आप भारत विजय में मेरा साथ दें तो में भारत विजय के पश्चात् में बौद्ध धर्म स्वीकार कर लूँगा। बौद्ध गुरुओं ने राष्ट्र द्रोह किया तथा भारत पर आक्रमण के लिए एक विदेशी शासक का साथ दिया।
    सीमा पर स्थित बौद्ध मठ राष्ट्रद्रोह के अड्डे बन गए। बोद्ध भिक्षुओ का वेश धरकर मिनिंदर के सैनिक मठों में आकर रहने लगे। हजारों मठों में सैनिकों के साथ साथ हथियार भी छुपा दिए गए।
    दूसरी तरफ़ सम्राट व्रहद्रथ की सेना का एक वीर सैनिक पुष्यमित्र शुंग अपनी वीरता व साहस के कारण मगध कि सेना का सेनापति बन चुका था । बौद्ध मठों में विदेशी सैनिको का आगमन उसकी नजरों से नही छुपा । पुष्यमित्र ने सम्राट से मठों कि तलाशी की आज्ञा मांगी। परंतु बौद्ध सम्राट वृहद्रथ ने मना कर दिया।किंतु राष्ट्रभक्ति की भावना से ओत प्रोत शुंग , सम्राट की आज्ञा का उल्लंघन करके बौद्ध मठों की तलाशी लेने पहुँच गया। मठों में स्थित सभी विदेशी सैनिको को पकड़ लिया गया,तथा उनको यमलोक पहुँचा दिया…

  5. says

    और उनके हथियार कब्जे में कर लिए गए। राष्ट्रद्रोही बौद्धों को भी ग्रिफ्तार कर लिया गया। परन्तु वृहद्रथ को यह बात अच्छी नही लगी।
    पुष्यमित्र जब मगध वापस आया तब उस समय सम्राट सैनिक परेड की जाँच कर रहा था। सैनिक परेड के स्थान पर hi सम्राट व पुष्यमित्र शुंग के बीच बौद्ध मठों को लेकर कहासुनी हो गई।सम्राट वृहद्रथ ने पुष्यमित्र पर हमला करना चाहा परंतु पुष्यमित्र ने पलटवार करते हुए सम्राट का वद्ध कर दिया। वैदिक सैनिको ने पुष्यमित्र का साथ दिया तथा पुष्यमित्र को मगध का सम्राट घोषित कर दिया।
    सबसे पहले मगध के नए सम्राट पुष्यमित्र ने राज्य प्रबंध को प्रभावी बनाया, तथा एक सुगठित सेना का संगठन किया। पुष्यमित्र ने अपनी सेना के साथ भारत के मध्य तक चढ़ आए मिनिंदर पर आक्रमण कर दिया। भारतीय वीर सेना के सामने ग्रीक सैनिको की एक न चली। मिनिंदर की सेना पीछे हटती चली गई । पुष्यमित्र शुंग ने पिछले सम्राटों की तरह कोई गलती नही की तथा ग्रीक सेना का पीछा करते हुए उसे सिन्धु पार धकेल दिया। इसके पश्चात् ग्रीक कभी भी भारत पर आक्रमण नही कर पाये। सम्राट पुष्य मित्र ने सिकंदर के समय से ही भारत वर्ष को परेशानी में डालने वाले ग्रीको का समूल नाश ही कर दिया। बौद्ध धर्म के प्रसार के कारण वैदिक सभ्यता का जो ह्रास हुआ,पुन:ऋषिओं के आशीर्वाद से जाग्रत हुआ। डर से बौद्ध धर्म स्वीकार करने वाले पुन: वैदिक धर्म में लौट आए। कुछ बौद्ध ग्रंथों में लिखा है की पुष्यमित्र ने बौद्दों को सताया .किंतु यह पूरा सत्य नही है। सम्राट ने उन राष्ट्रद्रोही बौद्धों को सजा दी ,जो उस समय ग्रीक शासकों का साथ दे रहे थे।
    पुष्यमित्र ने जो वैदिक धर्म की पताका फहराई उसी के आधार को सम्राट विक्र्मद्वित्य व आगे चलकर गुप्त साम्रराज्य ने इस धर्म के ज्ञान को पूरे विश्व में फैलाया।

    • Aditya Kumar says

      good fantasy, what purpose a monk will do to attack a nation, such kind of brahminical theories has destroyed our nation

  6. indan_az says

    @apoloreach, hinduism is based on mythology, nothing is true only myths, so you have to believe in all myths. As “sawan ke andhe ko hara hi hara dikhta hai” you can see only islam behind everything. killing of bodhs by hindu emperors is well known fact, just saying it is myth no 1 or 2, reality cant change.

    • Sanjay says

      It is fantasy your story is Buddhist that far different than Hindus? Why did Hindu Kings embrace Buddhism like Asoka? Why during the visits of Chinese travels there was no persecution of Buddhist and they were welcomed and respected. Hindu and Buddhist still live largely in peace. Buddhist institutes function for century. Why because Hindu Gautam Budha found enlightenment through Hindu dharma basically was an Hindu and basically through meditation. The secularist mean agent of Islam/Vatican must degrade Hinduism. But Buddhist can be considered in some ways a sect of Hinduism but not otherwise. Those who followed Buddhism and spread it were originally Hindus. So such comment fails to make reason why all sudden would they disappear, but then history of Huns and Muslims prosecuting them as they took to non-violence so much the easier unlike Hindus.

      Now Huns are famous for persecuting Buddhist, and Muslims are the main reason Buddhist were eliminated from India, and Hindus were the main reason for the spread of Buddhism. .

  7. Apolloreach says

    Mr.AZ, please feel free to push back the myths that were busted with evidences from Buddhist / historical resources. Then let us have a context based discussion. Did you even bother to check the sources I have pointed out. If not, please spend some time doing so and then revert for a discussion with what you think are untrue with specific references and contexts. Until then, please stop firing blank shots.

    Hinduism is based on mythology? Really? I thought some big boss seated in Firdous (for some), pervading everywhere (for some other brethern of yours), employing malaikas, using a book (God with a project documentation?), willfully misleading some and randomly guiding others, employing a messenger that rode on stuff found in sci-fi movies, threatening un-believers with hell fire (Mogambo kush hua??) and then on one fine day, waking and shaking up graves to reconstruct dead bodies (CSI, Arabia) and asking questions to those departed on what the super boss already knew would be the responses was what mythology all about.

    • indan_az says

      @apolloreach, you are making these aryasamajis fool. first you should decide that budhist, jainis, sikhs are hindus or not?i have not checked references given by you but i can give you new references from the books written by christians & hindu historians in which they admit all the things which you are referring as myths. hinduism is mythology dear. you never clarify that how much vedas present on earth? what is the authenticity of vedas? whatever you do or believe you are hindu. you said that only vedas are authentic and still you believe in rama krishna(ie an unauthentic character), you cant find any word regarding rama and krishnas life in veda. i salute you apolloreach how you make these aryasamajis fool(i have seen your comments in veg vs non veg topic, your all arguments were vile)

        • indan_az says

          @nikhil are you fool? it is my second day and you are saying that you get daily dose of laughter? are coming here for laughing?

          • nikhil says

            @indan_az- by “you” i mean people like you… people like you have been regular visitor of this website… any ways i come here for intellectual articles but if i get occasional comedy by people like you.. i don’t mind… ur views and comments are really hillarious.. rofl

          • Govardhan Rathode says

            Bah. Agniveer and his team are doing a great job, like that of Francois Gautier and Koenraad Elst. Please don’t mind the words of a follower of the Pedophile like indan_az.

            Fuckfret Muhammad (May his name be obliterated)

            Jai Mata Di

      • says

        @ indan_az

        >> first you should decide that budhist, jainis, sikhs are hindus or not?

        The answer with you dear. First answer who is a Hindu ? Obviously you will raise a question that the word Hindu is not found in any Hindu scriptures. Hence the meaning is to be understood from evidences outside the scriptures. And you have the answer. All who belong to this land are Hindus. As Islam and Christianity does not belong to this land, they are aliens.

        >>hinduism is mythology dear

        What is mythology ? A stream of belief without proper evidences. Am I right ? Then wht about Christianity ? Creation of the world in 6 days, God taking rest on seventh day, creating all animals in pairs, yet created human from mud single, then asks what he likes ? The omniscient God does not know what human wants, he does not know whyb the hell he created snake.. Is nt is a sort of mythology ?

        And what about Islam ? The angels, crying stone, breaking of moon into pieces ? What are these ? Are nt these mythology ?

        >> you never clarify that how much vedas present on earth?

        Really ? But Vedas say perfect explanation on earth, better than what the Bible or quoran say. At least it does not say earth is on a cow, that is on a stone, that is on —- oh what a bullshit.

        >> what is the authenticity of vedas?
        Lolz… You should read the articles before writing this. IHI mindwashed you perhaps.

        >>> you said that only vedas are authentic and still you believe in rama krishna(ie an unauthentic character), you cant find any word regarding rama and krishnas life in veda

        Here is what ur understanding about Dharmashastras. You dont know the difference between Shruti and Smruti, you dont know the difference between Darshan and Puran, and commenting here, Oh why do you want to prove that you are a fool ?

        Vedas are Shrutis, that came to human from the 1st day of creation. the oldest text available on the face of humanity. But Ramayan and Mahabharat are histories, happened thousands of years of Vedas. How Vedas can contain…

        • indan_az says

          @akhila, what about a person living outside india? you can see there are many hindus in foreign countries.
          earlier pak and bangalades were part of india then hindus of bengal and pak are still hindus or they have transformed?
          at the time of ashoka and aurangzaib(rehmatullah alaih) afghanistan was also part of india then what about hindus of afghanistan?
          primarily whole land of the earth was one piece ie connected, it was separated in later stages then what about hindus of other part of the world?
          your very first and basic concept regarding “this land” is wrong.
          suppose your “this land” further separate in future in one or two pieces then will you change your definition of hindus? what kind of religion is this dear?
          we believe whole world as one and islam is universal as you can see Allah always say ” o mankind” not “o indians/o arabs”.
          your religion is not universal, whatever you believe you are hindu.

          • says

            @ indan_az
            You said what I would have been said. Yes, the whole land was one, and whole humans are one family. Proudly declared by Vedas, “Vasundhaiba Kutumbakam”.

            God is one, and his rules are equal for all. I dont like the name Hindu with me, I prefer to use Sanatan.

            Remember,

            I was there at the begining, it was only me.. I will be there at the end, It will be only me… I am Sanatan

            Hell with the word Hindu.

        • Apolloreach says

          @ Akhila: Excellent articulation of facts. But if we expect Indian_Az and his ilk to even make an attempt to understand what you have said, we are setting ourselves up for failure.

          Indian_AZ: Is your claim on the authenticity of Vedas based the IRF or IHI? My response to you will depend on which camp you are from. I have been receiving emails from some fans of IRF that saying IHI knows zilch about comparative religions and I have seen Twitter feeds from IHI that claim that ZN had no formal training on comparative religion at all. So whose side are you on? It will enable us to respond to your claim on the authenticity of Vedas better.

      • Apolloreach says

        Indian_AZ: The most famous historian that you have on your side that continues to claim that Hindus persecuted Buddhists thinks that Divyavadana is a PERSON!!!But Divyavadana is a premier Buddhist historical work. So much for the knowledge that those conditioned historians have on the topic…. If you (Indian_AZ) do not even know what I am talking about (Divyavadana), please walk away without commenting further on this topic.

      • says

        first of all vedas dont have a date attached to it because it came at creation from the mouth of god. so time was not measured measured in the same sense as we use time today with dates etc…. this goes same of other scriptures as well. it is impossible to show a date to any of them as measuring time according to now was not there back then. as for what is a myth. there has been numerous siting of structures mentioned in the hindu scriptures from ram setu or finding dwarika under water or finding the sitting of tomb of the area where ravan was burried. it is the work of congress and muslims who have tried to remove hinduism out of india and turn india into islamic state. people of hindustan still dont see the truth in there history and what the government is doing. soon as the population of muslims increase the problems will increase and then the hindus will unite. i hope its not too late but this is the dark side to this problem created partially by idiotic caste system.

  8. Sanjay says

    I disagree with having likes and dislikes to remove comments.

    If some comment is disagreeable but yet not offensive we cannot live in glass houses without criticism. By making counter arguments we may find the better argument as fire yields truth. Now is an argument is total nonsense yes I would agree, but not respecting counter views or expression we would not have a good debates, and this site would remain too intellectual loosing practical simple arguments Like majority who became Buddhist were Hindu as Gautama Buddha was an Hindu practicing Hinduism who found a new path and because of these Hindu Buddhist spread their dharma. Hindus were not fundamentally anti-Buddhist, but embraced Buddha dharma as also a social reform to Hinduism.

    The Golden age of India speaks for these two religion.

  9. indian_az says

    @akhila, you contradicts yourself and still apolloreach will say that “well said akhila”.
    read your comment “All who belong to this land are Hindus. As Islam and Christianity does not belong to this land, they are aliens.” when i told you that primarily there was no separate india then you said “ou said what I would have been said. Yes, the whole land was one, and whole humans are one family. Proudly declared by Vedas, “Vasundhaiba Kutumbakam”.”
    i think you are confused? if whole world is one family then how come islam can be alien to india? please explain..

    • Truth Seeker says

      @indian_az
      __________All who belong to this land are Hindus_______________
      Correct, who live near about Sindhu River as Pakistani, Hindustani, Bangadeshi, Nepali etc. all are hindu. The word has no connection with Veda & Shastra. If you live in Indian subcontinent you are also Hindu.
      _________As Islam and Christianity does not belong to this land, they are aliens_____________
      Who does not live in Indian subcontinent he/she is not Hindu. He may be Arya or Anarya (Dasyu, Rakshash). But not Hindu as I think.
      Arya are noble people as mentioned by Veda. Arya are those who follow Dharma’s (English word religion) characteristics e.i Non-violence(Not harming innocent people/animals), Patience, Forgiving, Non-Stealing, Purity, Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Brahmacharya (Self-control and NON-obscenity), Non-Hoarding, Contentment, Putting strong efforts, Self-study or self-evaluation, Dedication to All Supreme (Not prophet etc. but only God).
      Anarya are those who are devilish (devil like) in nature i.e., killing of innocent, commit thefts, robberies, kidnapping, murders, speak rudely, always indulge in sexual activity, do not wield good character etc.
      Manusmriti states- “Arya Ishwar Putraha” i.e., Arya is the son of God. It does not mean that others are not sons of God. But Arya is nearest to God
      So Arya have several divine qualities of Vedas within them whereas Anarayas are antagonistic to Aryas.

    • says

      No dear, I am not confused, may be you are lack of intellectual.

      1st. The word Hindu is not in any scriptures, hence must be understood from outside the scriptures. Means the meaning has to be derived from common usage or parlance. (a very basic concept of interpretation of law, may be you are not aware of.) The word Hindu first used by the Arabs to represent the belief stream of the Undivided India including Cambodia (may be you are not aware of the History). This word used to mean all religions of this area, including the Boudh and Jain. The British separated these as different religions based on different Hindu scriptures (one of them is the Kalki Puran, may be you are not aware of this too.)

      2nd. You said about the division of India. And raised on question on the word Hindu, you are not aware of the common rule of interpretation. So I did not said anything about that. But I mean to say, I dont accept such a division. The land can be divided, but that does not classify the human.

      3rd. You said, whole land was one once, I said yes, you are right, and added one more sentence, we all human are one family too.

      4th. Then I concluded, I dont like the word Hindu to be associated with my name, because this is what the Arabs started calling me. I will prefer to be called as Sanatan. It means the eternal.

      5th. Then I said the meaning of Sanatan, and why i prefer that.

      may be you can understand.

  10. Vikram Adithya says

    Great article,

    Agniveer ji,
    I request you to clarify some doubts caused the following article: http://www.ambedkar.org/jamanadas/WhyScience.htm
    1. Vedas consider earth as flat, that’s why they rejected and hated Aryabhatta like christians did to copurnicus, galilio or such others…
    2. It was buddism that favored ancient glorious science of india incl. Ayurveda (charak), Surgery (shushrutu), astronomy, architecture etc… And science fell as bhuddism ended in india…

    And another request, many Sikhs consider (and some sickular historians write) 1984 Indira Gandhi’s attack on Terrorists, hiding in Golden Temple as Hindu V/S Sikh riot.. Please clarify this myth too with details

    Thank You

    • Apolloreach says

      @ Vikram Aditya: The author of the post Dr.K.Jamnadas reuses the line uttered by Dr.Ambedkar (that Dr.Ambedkar would have corrected by now, had he been around) – “From the ruins of Harappa and Mohenjodaro, it is clear that there existed a pre Aryan urban civilization of Dravidians, which went by the name of Nagas.” I’d love to write a full fledged rebuttal to that post on that site but for the paucity of time. Dr.Jamnadas’ statement is based on the Aryan Invasion Theory which Dr.Ambedkar too believed in, at some point in time. The remaining parts of the article comparing the persecution of Aryabhatta (white lie) to what Copernicus suffered in Europe is way over the top. Other than the author’s own conjectures or references to third party authors including some hard nosed Indologists that started the AIT, based on the excavation @ Harappa, add no value or substance to the core idea of that article. And the author seems to be almost offering pleasantries to the Islamic invaders and the Western imperialists. By the way, the author Dr.Jamnadas talks about Sushruta Samhita in one section but in the next section keeps condemning that the brahminical religion of the Vedas was detrimental to science and that the out of the box thinkers were persecuted.Had people in the society at large had been so anti-science (as the article by Dr.Jamnadas paints), Sushruta or Aryabhatta or Bhaskara or Charaka would not have become experts in their fields while continuing their predominantly Vedic belief system .

      Tirade against Brahminical mindset ( a welcome one) does not need to use an imagined grievance of a stunted scientific spirit, as a springboard (as seen in Dr.Jamnadas’ blog) . Even w/o the post, we all do know the casteist mindset was detrimental to the Vedic society in myriad ways. So let us leave it at that…

      Back to the opening line of my response (on AIT), to put the record straight, please refer to Times Of India 25-SEP-2009 – “Aryan-Dravidian divide a myth: Study.” The theory has been “genetically”…

      • Apolloreach says

        destroyed by a bunch of Indian and Harvard researchers. Here is an excerpt – “Senior CCMB scientist Kumarasamy Thangarajan said there was no truth to the Aryan-Dravidian theory as they came hundreds or thousands of years after the ancestral north and south Indians had settled in India.”

        The study analysed 500,000 genetic markers across the genomes of 132 individuals from 25 diverse groups from 13 states. All the individuals were from six-language families and traditionally “upper” and “lower” castes and tribal groups. “The genetics proves that castes grew directly out of tribe-like organizations during the formation of the Indian society,” the study said. Thangarajan noted that it was impossible to distinguish between castes and tribes since their genetics proved they were not systematically different.”

        • Vikram Adithya says

          @Apolloreach
          Thank you, and I know the article I mentioned was Anti-Brahmanical.. anyhow I was really surprised to see that:
          1. Aryabhatta was ridiculed
          2. Charak, Shushruthu belong to Bhuddism.. All the ayurveda, science (incl. alll) started just from 600 BC
          I expected light on these.. As I was really astonished to read such info, but at the same time I couldn’t strongly deny that. So was expecting any facts regarding Ridiculing Aryabhatta (or it is just fuss).

          I read many famous historians who quoted that indian foreign-Trade (and relations) goes back to 3000-4500 B.C (Harrappa & mahonjodaro) and favorite exports being Textiles & Steel… Bauddhayana Sulabha Sutras dated back to 800B.C (before buddha)

  11. SMK says

    “The Buddhism of Magadha was finally swept away by the Muhammadan invasion under Bakhtiyar Khilji: “I agree with this article.The great Nalanda University was attacked by Khilji , and they were only hand full of men from his side.We had 10000 students studying that time in that university, but they were following the true Dharama of Ahimsa ,which Buddha thought in his teachings.So, they got killed brutally ! Kings could not do anything, becase of many factors…It is said that, the university was so great at that time,people from all over the world came to study .And the fire lit by Khilji and his men in University library was alive for six months!!! You can easily understand who are responsible for Buddhism to fade away from India.

    • Slave of Islam says

      SMK ,

      लगता है तुम लोग इस्लामिक तलवार की धार को भूल गए हो . हाँ अगर हमने तुम बुतपरस्तों
      को इसल्म का पाक-साफ़ रास्ता दिखया तो खैर मनाओ की हमने तुम लोगों पर एहसान किया.

      इस्लाम पूरी दुनिया में फैला चाहे तलवार से हो या फिर कत्ले आम से. सोचो तुम लोग की इस्लाम ने
      तुम लोगों को एक अदद मौका दिया की तुम भी इस्लाम का नूर देखो और सच्चे दीन में आ जाओ.
      पर तुम लोग इस्लामी शमशीर का जलवा भूल गए हो.

      इस्लाम के गाझी फिर से आयेंगे और पूरे हिन्दोस्तान के बुतपरस्तों को जीने का सच्चा रास्ता दिख कर
      लौट जायेंगे.

      हिन्दू धरम में गरीबी है, जाति है लेकिन इस्लाम में सब बराबर है.

      हर मुसलमान जब अपनी नमाज़ पढता है तो वो अल्लाह से बात करता है.

      हिन्दू के 33 करोड़ देवी देवता हैं. हा हा हा हा

      तुम रोते रहो और जाकिर बही की सुनो कि चलो मान लिया कि बुद्धों का कत्ले आम हमने किया पर आज कि तारिख में
      तो हम कत्ले आम नहीं करते. फिर भी देखो इस्लाम पोरी दुनिया का सबसे तेजी से पहिल्या हुआ मज़हब है. जाकिर भाई से
      तुम लोग मिलो वो तुम्हे इल्म देंगे, अगर उनके पास वक़्त हुआ तो.

      हो सकता है कि जाकिर भाई से मिलकर तुम्हारा रास्ता इस्लाम पर आ जाए और तुम्हारी जिंदगी बदल जाए.

      अल्लाह हो अकबर

      • Prithvi says

        idiott slave of islam
        millions of muslims are leaving islam and the cause of spreading is its high birth rate ,ok
        don’t live in myth that india will be under the islamic rule, your pakistani eunuch army surrendered in front of indian warriors.you are talking about poverty in hinduism and equality in islam .see the condition of your momin brothers in afghanistan,sudan,iraq,somalia,pakistan ,allah is not erradicating poverty of your poverty in those countries, you muslims still believes in superstitious like hell fire and talking like illogicallly

  12. SMK says

    @indian_az,

    Meaning of Vasudaiva Kutumbakam is very well understood by true seekers of Knowledge.But in the present day and time,with people and religions which teach blind prejudice and diverted and wicked intellect , no Arya would tolerate such people.Aryan or Sanatana Dharma followers need not be thought how to be secular! We have always been, and will be..At the end it will be a win of Dharma, not adharma..

    Yada Yadahi dharmasya,glanirbhavati Bharatah,Abhyuththanam adharmasya,tadatmanam srijamyaham,
    Paritraanaya Sadhunaam, Vinaashayacha Dishkritah, Dharma Samsthapanarthaya,Sambhavaami Yuge Yuge..

  13. indan_az says

    @ahila, truth siker, read again what akhila said “All who belong to this land are Hindus. As Islam and Christianity does not belong to this land, they are aliens.”
    what does it mean? if he/she accepts that originally whole world was one and wasudev kutumbakam is main teaching then what is alien? it is the concept of islam that there is no foreign or local, whole world is one, there is no caste and creed as quran said in surah hujrat
    “O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.” http://www.quran.com/49/13
    you have to search truth and accept it either it is in arabic or in sanskrit.

    • Jason R Prasad says

      @Indian az, Brother as far as i know Vasuvev Kutumbakam means the hole world is LIKE a family, this sense we are all humans and are Like family, the concept of Islam and christianity are most Alian to Hindustan, that does not mean that the saying Vasuvev Kutumbakam does not apply as we may be humans but our ideology are different, Isn’t in Islam it teaches that the hole world is for muslims and islam only, where in any of Koran can you show me where a similar quotation and meaning as Vasuvev Kutumbakam has been written.

    • Truth Seeker says

      @indan_az
      Please clarify:-
      _________O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female____________
      Who are “WE”?
      _______made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another__________
      Are tribes not human being (People)? “Peoples and Tribes”?
      Correct it by : made all people on this earth to know one another.
      _______made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another_________
      And declare kaffirs who do not believe in Mohamad. But Veda nowhere put such obligations. If one have belief in God that is enough. Even If I believe in Mohamad but do not recite his name I will be Kaffir.
      __________Allah is Knowing and Acquainted_________
      Wrong, Allah is not all knowing. He is testing us. If a company know you very well, will it take your interview before offering job to you. It will say, you can join. You do not need to go through interview procedures. There is no requirement of interviews etc.

    • says

      Ah ah twist of words… Man common grow up…. I have all ready clarified the meaning of THIS LAND being the undivided India and said Hindu refers to all religious beliefs of this land. As Islam and Christianity are not from this Land they are alien to the HINDU (not to mankind)

      I have all ready said, Hindu word is not acceptable to me, I would rather prefer to be called Sanatan. (And I have already said the meaning of sanatan)

      When you said, the whole land are one once, I said yes, and Vedas say all human are one family too.

      Understand the core concept dude. And to prove that Vedas are for whole living and non livings on earth and beyond,

      RV 1:89:10 – Aditi is the universe, the space,the sky, father, mother, all devatas, human, new borns and the forth comming lifes all are different faces of the same Aditi

      • indian_az says

        @truth siker/cannibal1,2,3
        you have written.”Who are “WE”?”
        if you are indian you have heard many times people calling “aap” not “tu” and “hum” instead of “main”. this we or hum is plural of respect, it is “inna” in arabic . i hope you can (never) understand.
        Say, “He is Allah , [who is] One, quran.com/112/1
        you can see Allah said He is one .

          • indian_az says

            @pagal power, quran is in arabic, and he is in english.. show me what is in arabic then you can understand. there are many things which you cant translate. what is the correct translation of shaheed in hindi? you always say shaheed-shaheed ?

          • Pagan Power says

            Indian AZ: Okay, let us park the translation in English aside. Is allah male, female or gender independent or a bit of both?

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Pagan Power/indian_az
            __________Is allah male, female___________
            Allah Mian is male who sits on seventh sky on a chair & If you want to recognize him on seventh sky i give u one more sign. There is book name “Loha-Mahfooj” under the chair. You can read this name printed on the book. That means it will be chair of Allah not Prophet Mohamad. Mohamad has different chair. But I do not know the signs of that chair. Indian_Az/Faizi can put light on this. He (Allah) is above the all sky.

          • KalBhairav says

            @Pagan Power:

            I also think Allah has a pole and not a hole. For, there is this beautiful logic in the Quran that Muslies use against Xians who argue Jesus is Son of God.

            Quran 6:101:

            [He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

            Essentially, since Allah doesnt have a companion, how could he do the old in-out in-out with Mary to beget Jesus? So, indirectly Quran is saying that one needs to have a companion to have a son. Mary, the purported companion that the Xians believe in, is a woman. Hence, by logic Allah could only be a male if Quran 6:101 is to be valid.

      • Slave of Islam says

        akhila padhi ,

        इस्लाम के बारे में बात करने से पहले मेरी गुजारिश मान कर सच्चे दिल से कुरान पाक को पढ़ लो.
        अल्लाह का नूर तुम देख पाओगे और सच्चे रास्ते पर आ जाओगे.

        हो सकता है कि अल्लाह तुम पर मेहरबान हो जाए और तुम्हारे दिलों पर लगी हुए मोहर हटा दे.

        इस्लाम को समझे बिना उसके बारे में गलत मत बोलो.

        अगर तुम्हे कुछ दिक्कत है तो मुझसे पूछो पर ये समझ लो कि इस्लाम एक सच्चा दीन है और
        इस्लाम पूरी दुनिया के लिए है न कि किसी एक इंसान या कौन के लिए.

        इस्लाम का नूर देखोगे तो खुद समझ जाओगे इसका जलवा.

        अल्लाह तुम्हारे ऊपर मेहरबानी करे.

        साफ़ दिल से मुझसे कोई भी सवाल पूछो लेकिन साफ़ नीयत से .

        अल्लाह हो अकबर

  14. indian_az says

    truth siker/cannabil1,2,3
    you have written
    “made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another__________
    Are tribes not human being (People)? “Peoples and Tribes”?
    Correct it by : made all people on this earth to know one another”
    here in arabic is Ya ayyuha annasuinna khalaqnakum min thakarin waonthawajaAAalnakum shuAAooban waqaba-ila litaAAarafoo
    it is shuaaoobaun which is translated as peoples another translation is “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).” you can see here http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=49&verse=13
    quran is not veda which you cant find on net… if you have nokia mobile then go to ovi store and for android on android store you can download quran with translations and recitationS but where is veda to download on mobile????

  15. indian_az says

    @pagal power, park aside the gender topic and first tell me what is the translation of shaheed in hindi???? i am waiting sir

  16. Pagan Power says

    Indian az: Who cares about shaheed? I am asking a simple question. I am not discussing linguistics here and if you use the shaheed analogy, you are getting your super star down the level of a human. I am really serious, is allah a he, she, it?

    • Slave of Islam says

      पगन पॉवर ,

      अल्लाह तो बस अल्लाह है.

      उसे किसी ने नहीं देखा. लेकिन अल्लाह सब देखता है.
      अल्लाह के मर्द और औरत होने से कोई फरक नहीं पड़ता.
      और तुम लोग खुदा के बारे में ऐसी बात अक्रतो हो तो साफ़ पता चलता है कि
      शैतान तुम्हारे सर पर सवार है.
      अल्लाह कि शान में गुस्ताखी न करो. अल्लाह से डरो.

      अल्लाह तुम्हारे ऊपर मेहरबानी करे.

      अल्लाह मर्द है या औरत इससे तुम क्या साबित करना चाहते हो ?
      साफ़ दिल से मुझसे कोई भी सवाल पूछो लेकिन साफ़ नीयत से .

      अल्लाह न तो मर्द है और न औरत है.

      अल्लाह तो बस अल्लाह है. समझे

      अल्लाह हो अकबर

  17. indian_az says

    @pagal power, how gently you change the topic? y you dont want to answer? what you will do with gender? Allah said in the quran “laisa kamisli shai” “there is nothing which you can copmare/ nothing comparable to him”. it is the boundation of language, so we have to use he.

    • Pagan Power says

      So the arabic language does not have a SHE. You said it is the limitation of the language and hence you address Allah as HE!!!

  18. indian_az says

    truth siker aka cannabil, you always say loh-e-mahfooz, do you what loh-emahfooz is ? do you what book is which you are refering? do you have only these things which which you repeat like parrot? tell me what you understand by loh e mahfooz?

    • Vijay says

      Your English is pathetic. I think it is a better english having studied in a Madarssa.

      Okay follower of a Pedophile. See ya.

  19. indian_az says

    @t-s/cannabil, here is the reference from quran about lauh-e-mahfooz. tell me what do u understand by this? if it is not reference you are referring then give me reference and enlighten us by ur explanation.
    here is reference…..But this is an honored Qur’an,[Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate.
    in arabic.. Bal huwa qur-anun majeed, Fee lawhin mahfooth
    quran.com/85/21-22
    you can see what lauh e mahfooz is, Allah is using it for quran.
    itis not veda that you cant find anything, tell me in english what veda say about ishwar give me link . you can find only hindi veda in jamnagar.org

  20. indian_az says

    @truth siker, while i was searching link given by you first line which i found is “ko sukh prapt karne ke liye Vedon nein bachpann se hee Ishwar Bhakti ki prerna dee hai kyunki hamare dukhon ko nash karna aur jeevan mein sukh deina yeh kewal Ishwar ke hee haath mein hain. Isliye main aapko advise karoonga- ”
    i am confused your ishwar has hand? how much length? can u explain ? and i asked what veda described about ishwar and in english not in hindi.

  21. indian_az says

    @ KB, TS, pagal power, while i was searching about ishwar in the link given by truth siker i found this ..”ISHWAR = from dhatu, “ISH ASHWERIYE”, the word Ishwar is made. Its meaning is whose knowledge is thoughtful and true and He who has unlimited wealth, fortune and glory etc. Therefore the name of God is Ishwar. Here it is not out of place to mention that soul (man/woman) has limited qualities and are dependent whereas God is independent and has unlimited qualities that is why He is God.”
    what is “HE”? is your ishwar is male? reference is here http://vedmandir.com/content/questions-answers-october-30-2011
    thanks truth siker for help.

  22. says

    @indian_az

    ———quran is in arabic, and he is in english.. show me what is in arabic then you can understand. there are many things which you cant translate. what is the correct translation of shaheed in hindi? you always say shaheed-shaheed ?———

    Have you decided to see Islam’s defeat in front of these grass eaters? What non sense you are uttering about Islam? You are giving childish arguments to malign Islam. Just look what your dumb arguments lead to-

    1. If Quran cant be translated in other languages correctly then it is Allah’s fault (Nauzubillah, may Allah forgive me) that He did not give Quran in all languages of world. So either Quran will be for Arabs or it should have been given in all languages if it cant be translated correctly to other languages. You seem to be a racist who wants to prove Allah as racist (Nauzubillah) that Allah too cared for Arabs only and left all Non Arabs at the mercy of Arabs and their erroneous translations of Quran :(

    2. Shaheed is called “Balidani” in Hindi, you India hater

    @all

    Dont listen to his Arab racist, he is pretending to be an Indian but he is an Arab with superiority complex. Islam is peaceful and scientific. True Quran seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth because these Arab idiots changed it to their convenience.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-DKWiRqJYc

  23. indian_az says

    @truth siker, you are saying that after reading vedmandir you will be entitled to debate us so y u debate on quran without reading it completely? please tell me what is HE? if it is error then tel me error free site for definition of ishwar in English? y are u not answering? what is sukh dena ishwar ke hi haath main hai? what is haath?
    Allah said in surah al-isra…. “And say, “Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart.” http://quran.com/17/81

    • Truth Seeker says

      @indian_az
      _______what is HE________
      Yajurveda 40/8
      SAH PARYAGAAT SHUKRAM AKAYAMAVRANNAMASNAVIRAM SHUDHAMAPAAPVIDHAM

      KAVIRMANISHI PARIBHUHU SWAYAMBHURYATHATATHYATOARTHAN VYADADHAAT SHAASHVATIBHYAHA SAMABHYAH

      “SHUKRAM” ALMIGHTY,
      “AKAYAM” I.E., BODILESS, SO DOES NOT TAKE BIRTH,
      “AVRANNAM” HOLESS AND CAN NOT BE CONVERTED INTO ANY PART, SO SOUL IS ALSO NOT A PART OF GOD
      “ASNAVIRAM” I.E., WITHOUT NERVOUS SYSTEM ETC.,
      “APAAPVIDHAM” SINLESS AND DOES NOT LOVE TO THOSE WHO ARE SINNERS,
      “PARI + AGAAT I.E., OMNIPRESENT,
      “KAVIHI” OMNISCIENT,
      “MANISHIHI” KNOWS THOUGHTS OF EVERY SOUL
      “PARIBHUHU” WHO KEEPS BEHIND THE CULPRITS/SINNERS
      “SWAYAMBHUHU” WHO IS ETERNAL/BEYOND DEATH AND BIRTH/HAS NO FATHER, MOTHER ETC.,
      “SHAASHVATIBHYAHA SAMABHYAH” FOR ETERNAL LIVING BEINGS,
      “YATHATATHYATAH” WITH TRUTH,
      “ARTHAN” GIVES KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THROUGH VEDAS,
      “VYADADHAAT” PREACHES,
      “SAH” HE/SHE/IT IS GOD.

      • indian_az says

        @T-S, it is not answer, i asked y they have used “HE”? y u have written he/she/it are u confused? what about ishwar ke hath mein hai? what is haath? you have double standards. when we say same thing then see the example what pagal power has written “I am asking a simple question. I am not discussing linguistics here and if you use the shaheed analogy, you are getting your super star down the level of a human. I am really serious, is allah a he, she, it?”
        what if i repeat same thing? y u always say that Allah has hands as mentioned in quran? when we say that Allah has no hand it is just analogy to make us understand then u never accept & keep repeating same question. u always ask about the hands of Allah now tell me y u are using ishwar ke haath mein?

        • says

          arabic_ass

          So Allah does not have hands? Good. Now tell how Allah created Adam? How was Adam’s creation different from others that Quranic verse points to? What is Allah’s throne? Does He sit? How Allah ‘Istava’ over skies after He competed creation if He has no hands or legs or body? What are these ups and downs? How could Muhammad see/meet Allah? How Allah speaks to angels? How will on judgment day people see Allah

          “Some faces that Day shall be Naadirah (shining and radiant). Looking at their Lord (Allah)” [al-Qiyaamah :22-23]“

          • indian_az says

            @aatish/agni, i will answer u but first give me simple answer to show me limits of ur brain ok
            question : what is exact length of a line which starts from delhi and ends at infinite? tell me length in meters ok then i will answer all ur questions regarding Allah other keep ur mouth shut. tt

          • says

            arabic_ass

            Unfortunately you are yet to grow to that level at which you can test limits of my brain. But let me analyze your question that will further bring embarrassment to you :(

            1. ‘Ends at infinite’ in mathematics means never ending. So asking for the length of an infinite line is foolish! I hope you got confused with Quranic idea of infinite where INFINITE Allah resides on 7th heaven (poor 1, 2, 3…6 and 8, 9,…. heavens/skies remain empty :( ) But please note that Quran and Maths are exclusive sets of info/laws. Dont mix the two.

            2. When you deal with infinite quantity, units such as mili/centi/meter etc dont matter :)

            3. BTW have ever heard of something that has starting but has no end? Please make sure that examples from Quran such as heaven, hell, muhammad etc are avoided in order to be consistent with reasoning and logic.

            Thanks

          • Slave of Islam says

            इंडियन az ,

            अल्लाह तुम्हारे साथ है
            यकीनन जीत का सेहरा तुम्हारे ही सर होगा.

            अल्लाह का हुक्म बजाओ और इन सब काफिरों को दिखा दो अल्लाह का एक बंद सौ काफिरों के बराबर है.

            ये सब लोग मिलकर भी तुम्हे नहीं हरा सकते.

            अल्लाह का साया तुम्हारे ऊपर है. मुझे फक्र है तुम्हारे उपर.
            क़यामत के दिन जब ये लोग अल्लाह के सामने आयेंगे तो अल्लाह को ये क्या जवाब देंगे.

            अल्लाह इन्हें दोजख में ही जगह देंगे.
            अल्लाह के चेहरे के नूर से ही ये लोग घबरा जायेंगे.

            अल्लाह के बारे में पढो

            “In addition to the above two approaches the closer of which to Islamic creed is the former although the latter is not excluded, there were some perverted attitudes influenced by alien philosophies like the Greek and other philosophies. One claimed that all these descriptions are identical to human ones. Another group gave incarnate descriptions of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala) while a third group went to the other extreme and denied all description of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala). These groups died in the bud; and the only ones that remained to exist are the first two which are very close to each other. The Qur’an gives us a conclusive answer when it says about Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala):”http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/description.हटमल

            अल्लाह हो अकबर

  24. says

    @indian_az

    I am leaving for now but will keep eye on how these grass eaters try to demean Islam.

    I will come to help you in service of Islam if they further debate you on meat eating and then we will collectively bash them like we did previously. And please rectify your stand on racism and eco system etc. I overlooked your mistakes because I, being a Muslim, am not supposed to find faults in other Muslims.

    Happy stay and all the best. Please send me a mail when you need me against these Kafirs.

  25. indian_az says

    @cannibal/aryasamaji, if i give u translation of veda which ZN quotes then y u say that it is not right translation?
    u can learn arabic very easily, arabic is not dead like sanskrit.
    i am not saying that he is the mistranslated word???? please show me my words..
    i said that “he” is english word not arabic, do u understand hate monger?
    balidani is not right translation of shaheed….hahaha.. remember u have recited kalima on my hand, i am ur rehbar my child.
    u have repeated same arguments which have been answered many times, i know them already but u were in hurry, u have copied blindly. i have nowhere said that it is wrong translation????

    • Truth Seeker says

      @indian_az
      I will accept Islam & learn Arbi but here are few queries I would like to get answered by you:-
      1. What was Allah doing before this universe creation?
      2. Why Allah created Shaitan to misguide the people?
      3. Why Allah forced the children of Aadam to commit incest? Why is Allah not able to create thousand of human being in the inception of universe?
      4. Why do Muslims bow head before Kaba Stone?
      5. Which is eternal “Kalama” of Allah?
      6. Is Allah changeable?
      7. Why Allah stopped sending messenger for welfare of human kind? Why he changed now?
      I will accept Islam please answer me logically.
      http://agniveer.com/series/vedic-lessons/

  26. indian_az says

    @T-s, i have nowhere mentioned that only a muslim can learn arabic, arabic is a language you can spread ur moolshankar’s view in arabic.
    i have seen u repeating same questions even answered many times in IH.
    for example you always say y Allah has hands (as mentioned in quran), it means Allah has image. when i asked u same question from ur vedamandir then in spite of answering u have posted new series of questions? it means u have no answer.
    what if i give u same thing from ur vedamandir as use of HE and HAATH. first answer y ur guru or swami is saying that yeh ishwar ke haath mein hain? kiya aapke ishwar ke haath hain?

    • Truth Seeker says

      @indian_az
      ________i have seen u repeating same questions even answered many times in IH____
      I have debated with many & searched on Islamic Website What was Allah doing before this universe creation? But nowhere I found answer & Islamic scholar try to deviate the question with excuses like Allah is merciful, infinite, above the sky etc. But do not give answer actually & their face get red by listening the question, What was Allah doing before this universe creation. Why did Allah suddenly changed and he thought of creation after sitting idly Billions of years? Is Allah changeable? If u & your master know the answer please enlighten us.

      • indian_az says

        @T-S, you have written “I have debated with many & searched on Islamic Website What was Allah doing before this universe creation? But nowhere I found answer & Islamic scholar try to deviate the question with excuses like Allah is merciful, infinite, above the sky etc”
        what about lauh -e-mahfooz? y you are not giving reference that Allah will sit on lauh-e-mahfooz? you always repeat your questions even answered many times.
        i have answered your question many times but u repeat ur question again and again?
        if you are not satisfied with my answer then it is ur problem. i am repeating my answer again —- your concept of GOD is very diminish and faulty you compare Allah with human so you ask this question again and again. according to islam Allah is wara-ul-wara from this thought. we cant compare Allah with anything. Allah never get busy in doing anything. before asking this question again first you should clear that you believe in such ishwar which become busy in doing anything? above all this word doing anything is different for Allah and for human, we are using this word for Allah because of our limitations. i dont know how Allah does anything(quran say “Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, “Be,” and it is.”) but i know that you cant compare Allah’s work with human’s work.
        what if i try to debate you regarding ishwar behaving as communist? you can never prove existence of GOD . when you ask these questions you behave like communists, you ask as you dont believe in GOD and if you believe then you believe in a super man who cant create anything without primary material? who get busy when doing anything.

  27. KalBhairav says

    @Indian_az:

    question : what is exact length of a line which starts from delhi and ends at infinite?

    Ends at infinite…isnt that a contradiction?

  28. indian_az says

    @KB, how could u say there is contradiction? i am saying that it ends at infinite so it has an end at infinite, now aatish sb will answer.
    you have second choice also tell me if 10 to the 2 is 100 then what is the exact number of 10 to the power 658692457855584967852236155486652255569855556654841112595687945254 thousand million? can u tell me? if yes then i wil tell u how Allah speaks, how allah sits etc etc ok. if u can not give exact answer then please never repeat ur questions which have been answered many times.

    • kewal pandita says

      this is a foolish question, this can be answered, we just have to write 10 followed by the no. of zeros of your given degree of exponent, i accept i cannot write it, but it can be done, say it takes 1 billion years for a super computer to write it down, but it would be done eventually. you will get your answer, just be ready for living so much long. now will you answer me after that time, you will still not be able to answer how allah speaks. infinite never ends which only signifies ALLAH, GOD , EESHWAR .

      now ur answer for hands of god, does god have hands. when we use sentence “haathon mein hai” it’s just a metaphor or muhaawara, vedas say God created world, there is no where written whether GOD DID IT BY SAYING KAAYA FUN OR BE IT. but in quran it’s mentioned that he said BE IT, and my dear brother it’s not a metaphor. vedas dont use a pronoun(he or she) for GOD, but quran does,
      an example for you

      lets say 1.a man reached here
      2. a man walked here.

      ist sentence just says reached, a man can be dead, he might be without limbs, he might have reached in car, he might have flied to reach here, nothing is mentioned abt him same is case with vedas. vedas use only names for God, and nothing else, that God used his hands or has an chair. that vedas have never materialised God.

      2nd sentence clearly mentions a man walked. for walking a man needs lower limbs. that is the case with quranic allah, he uses his mouth to say kaaya fun to create world, he uses his hands to create ADAM. his uses his ass to sit on a throne. but a question for you, when allah created world by saying be it, where was he then at that time, was he in sky, but sky could not have been created as it is also part of world. first answer me let me reply then

  29. indian_az says

    @kb, our mind has limit so we can never understand exactly what Allah is, when we say that there is no end for Allah then u have problem, when we say that there are no hands it is just analogy because we can never understand exactly then u and ur fellow aryasamajis always repeat same questions. when it is established that our mind has limit then you always talk about Allah?
    “How can you disbelieve in Allah when you were lifeless and He brought you to life; then He will cause you to die, then He will bring you [back] to life, and then to Him you will be returned.” http://www.quran.com/2/28

    • says

      arabic_ass

      1. I have replied to your first question above. Now its your turn to accept that you asked foolish question in first place.

      2. With regards to your second question to KB, it is so simple, probably you thought it to be difficult based on your Madarsa experiences and standard. Let me answer you

      Put 658692457855584967852236155486652255569855556654841112595687945254 thousand million zeros next to 1. You will get your answer :)

      To save space and my time, I have told you the trick. Now you can calculate the answer. Probably you do it once you reach never ending heaven enjoying houris at one hand and solving this problem at other ;)

      Now I have given you the answer. I will not answer any of such childish questions in future. Come to point of Allah’s hands if you want.

      • indian_az says

        @aatish-ullu, you have written “put 658692457855584967852236155486652255569855556654841112595687945254 thousand million zeros next to 1. You will get your answeTo save space and my time, I have told you the trick. Now you can calculate the answer. Probably you do it once you reach never ending heaven enjoying houris at one hand and solving this problem at other ;)”
        show me where i have asked about the trick???????? i have asked the number which you will get? my point is that it will become so big number which you cant imagine like we are unable to imagine infinite. you can see there are so many things which we cant answer .
        quran was revealed more than 1400years before and Allah said that there are some mutashabeh ayat in it, you can read in quran “Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.”(23:14)
        for clinging clot arabic word is alaqah which also means leech, suspended thing, blood clot. this ayat was mutashabeh ayat untill the discovery of electron microscope which confirms that yes at primary stage embryo look like leech. so untill we dont know the clear meaning of ayat we say it is from Allah and we believe it.
        i have shown you references of your gurus regarding hands of Allah so i am no more interested in that topic. so you can cheer

        • pathik arya says

          @ Indian AZ

          i hv just FEW more GENERAL / COMMON question bout this FLYING DONKEY. PLS ANSWER.

          1. Whether this FLYING DONKEY used to fly on DIESEL, PETROL, CNG, LPG,
          GHASLATE ?

          2. Which part of this FLYING DONKEY’s body was used as a BREAK, CLUTCH, ACCELERATOR, HORN ?

          3. Which part of this FLYING DONKEY’s body was used as a PARKING LIGHT, Turning at signal, head light etc ?

          pls try to answer on the BASIS OF EVIDENCE since muslim always claim that islam is scientific.

          NOW C THE FUNNIEST PART.

          1. U ADMIT THAT this FLYING DONKEY entered the heaven with mohammed since he was used as a CHOSEN VEHICLE for TRANSPORTATION TO HEAVEN.

          2. how would a grave worshipper muslim feel when he will come to know that A DONKEYS can go to HEAVEN but not ALL MUSLIMS ?

          3. LUCKY DONKEY but UNLUCKY KAAFIRS AND MUSLIMS .

          PLS answer on the basis of EVIDENCE.

          SHOW ME FLYING DONKEY AND I WILL B A MUSLIM OR U LEAVE ISLAM.
          DO U HAVE GUTS TO ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE ?

          IF U BELIEVE IN ISLAM AND MIRACLES THAN ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE.

      • Truth Seeker says

        @indian_az/Faizi/Starving to be terrorist/Calf is non-Veg animal because it takes milk
        Why are u not answering to my simple questions asked here:-
        http://agniveer.com/5936/were-buddhists-persecuted-by-hindus/#comment-53235
        Brother, do not scared I know you are not son of one father & you have not read Quran. You have no guts to answer me. What Allah was………… ? Go to link. Do not frustrate. Please answer me logically & not make excuses.

        • indian_az says

          @Truth sicker, you have written “@indian_az/Faizi/Starving to be terrorist/Calf is non-Veg animal because it takes milk
          Why are u not answering to my simple questions asked here:-
          http://agniveer.com/5936/were-buddhists-persecuted-by-hindus/#comment-53235
          Brother, do not scared I know you are not son of one father & you have not read Quran” now you have become real aryasamaji, see your language again. i was answering your question when you were writing all these filth, if i have read it before answering then i never answer you for q. you can see how you behave, you are not ordinary hindu so that you may be given relaxation of illiterate person. see the standard of your religion. you have written “faizi/stbm/… “you must know that i have been banned many times so i cant post my comment without changing my name so it is not my fault, but you have full to freedom to write anything Agniveer never ban you, you know y? because you are pillar/warrior of agniveer and aryasamaj and see your standard. shame on you.

  30. indian_az says

    @aatish, as infinite has no end in the same way u cant understand what is the meaning of arsh and allah sits….
    “And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.
    But if you do not – and you will never be able to – then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.” http://www.quran.com/2/23-24

    • says

      arabic_ass

      If no one can understand Arsh etc, why the hell such verses were revealed in first place? Why do the terrorist Mullahs world over cry that everyone should believe in Islam because it is ultimate truth? Why should I believe in something that no one can understand? Why apostates of Islam are killed? Why a truthful person who really wants to be logical in life has to go against his instinct in case of faith and must accept the unverifiable stories to get bliss?

  31. indian_az says

    @atish, see what T-S has written- “There is book name “Loha-Mahfooj” under the chair. You can read this name printed on the book. That means it will be chair of Allah not Prophet Mohamad” when i have given him reference about lauh-e-mahfooz then he is not answering from where he get his theory (obviously from satyagni). can u explain y u peoples always give vile arguments? if you cant prove ur argument then y u repeat it? when i show u word “he” for ishwar then y u repeat same argument again & again? when i have shown u hand from ur links then y u repeat that argument against islam?

    • says

      @arabic_ass

      I am not responsible for what TS writes here. By this logic, you should have answer me why Ajmal Qasab and co attacked Mumbai and killed hundreds and why Osama killed so many innocents being Muslims.

      Hands of Allah are literal as per Quran [3:7]. But that is not the case with Eeshvar of Vedas. Moreover there are Hindus who believe that Eeshvar has hands and legs and everything. But Hindu people being tolerant do not fight like dogs to establish their beliefs unlike Islam that orders to fight Jihadis until Islam establishes in the world. Refer Quran [9:29]. Thus in such situations, Allah’s hand needs ultimate scrutiny along with whole Quran but Vedic Eeshvar’s does not.

      • indian_az says

        @aatish, are u block head? if u abuse armal kisb then i have no problem so i am not responsible to answer on behalf of them. i have no love or anything for thembut when i have used kallu or pagal then u were getting angry so u should answer on behalf of them otherwise say sorry for ur bad languages which u have used on behalf of them? i think you should read ur comment again. hindus who believe there ishwar or avtars have hands never complaint that it is mentioned in quran that Allah has hands. it is u aryasamajis who always complain and when i am shoing from ur gurus teachings then u are not accepting it and giving wrong comparison.

        • says

          arabic_ass

          I never wrote anything on anyone’s behalf. I love to teach manners to friends like you who abuse others but when returned the favor, get angry!

          You abused KB, PP etc, I changed your name. Anything wrong? Wrong would have been when I would go to another Muslim and ask for apology or defeat on your behalf. Did I do that? No. Think with calm mind, no hurry to respond. Use your brain and look what nonsense you have been uttering for hours.

          • indian_az says

            @aatish, what a fool u are? your whole arguments are others behalf and specially your whole aryasamaj is maligning islam on behalf of zakir naik? you bunch of anti Islamist, hate mongers…
            now tell me what is lauh e mahfooz? y ur ishwar has hand? y u use “he” for ishwar?

          • says

            @arabic_ass

            0. Where did I say that I am an Arya Samaji? You imagine too much. Get yourself normal.

            1. If Zakir Naik is Islamic, then how does it matter if he and Islam are being questioned together? BTW where has Agniveer questioned Islam based on Zakir Naik? Rather it is some terrorists who think of him as Islamic scholar and debate us giving his arguments!

            2. If Zakir Naik is anti Islamic then instead of abusing Arya Samaj, why dont you question Zakir Naik and condemn him like you are condemning Arya Samaj?

            3. Eeshvar has no hands. He has no body and thus no gender issue comes. You can call Him Her as well, no problem :) BTW, can I call Allah as ‘Her’?

            Read my previous comments in which I proved that Quran is to be taken literally and thus it has to explain hands of Allah.

  32. indian_az says

    @aatish-ullu, first clarify ur stand, who are u? “Where did I say that I am an Arya Samaji? You imagine too much. Get yourself normal.”? how could i answer u if i dont know what is ur belief? if u r not aryasamaji then what are u doing here?
    fool just read this article only and u’ll get how agnivir is using zakir naik name to malign islam. tel me from which article u want reference? i will give u cut paste from any article of agniveer which is related to islam that agni is using zn name.

    • says

      indian aj:: i collect up the questions here!

      प्रश्न १ : यदि मूर्ति पूजा / जड पूजा इस्लाम की नज़र में शिर्क है (ऐसा पाप जो क्षमा न किया जावेगा ) और कुरान व् इस्लाम के विरुद्ध है , तो जैसे वहाबियो को गैर मुसलमान करार दिया गया … क्या सभी सूफियों और हाजी अली आदि दरगाहो पर जाने वालों को कब फतवा जारी कर गैर मुसलमान या काफ़िर कहा जाएगा ??

      प्रश्न २ : कुरान के अनुसार ये सृष्टि पहली और आखिरी सृष्टि है | इस से पहले कभी कोई सृष्टि नहीं थी | तो इस सृष्टि को रचने से पहले समय में अल्लाह क्या कर रहा था ? क्या वो निठल्ला बता था ? और कयामात की रात/दिन के बाद क्या वो निठल्ला बेथ जायेगा ?

      प्रश्न ३ : संसार में कोई अंधा पैदा होता है तो कोई तेज दृष्टि वाला , कोई तंदरुस्त पैदा होता है तो कोई अपंग , कोई सड़क पे पैदा होता है तो कोई सोने चांदी के महलों में ! इसका कारण क्या है ? अल्लाह क्या देखकर एक आत्मा को दुःख में और दूजी को सुख में पैदा करता है ?

      प्रश्न ४: कुरान अनुसार लोहे- महफूज नाम की पुस्तक में सबका भूत .वर्तमान और भविष्य लिख रखा है | जब लिख रखा है तो अर्थात अल्लाह ने निश्चित कर रखा है | अर्थात अल्लाह ने ही निश्चित कर दिया है की कौन पाप करेगा कौन पुण्य |
      कौन चोर बनेगा कौन पुलिस ये तो अल्लाह पहले ही तय कर चुके है ! अर्थात कौन स्वर्ग जाएगा कौन दोजख ये भी तय हो चूका है | फिर अल्लाह ने ये संसार का स्वांग क्यों रचाया है ?
      यदि मुझसे सहमत नहीं है तो लोहे महफूज को कुरान से और हदीसो से स्पष्ट करिये |

      प्रश्न ५ : चाँद का दो हिस्सों में टूटना , बिना बाप के संतान होना , रस्सी का सांप बन जाना , गधे का उड़ना आदि अब क्यों नहीं दिखाई देता ? और किस प्रकार संभव है ?क्या आप हनुमान जी द्वारा सूरज को निगल लेने की बात पर विश्वास करते हैं? यदि नहीं तो क्यूँ ?

      अभी में बहिश्त की नारियों की दशा और बहिश्त के झूठे और अश्लील कुरानी कल्पना पर अपने प्रश्न्नाही रख रहा हूँ |
      पहले इन प्रश्नों का उत्तर दें |

      • Slave of Islam says

        @ कृष्ण .

        १. कब्र पर जाने वाले सभी मुसलाम काफ़िर से भी गिरे हुए हैं और सभी दोजख में जायेंगे. इस्लाम में कब्र पूजना सख्त मन है.
        सारे पीर दोजख में ही जायेंगे. सच्छा मुसलमान कब्र और पत्थर नहीं पूजता बल्कि अल्लाह को नमाज़ देता है. समझे ?
        तुम काफिर और पीर को मानने वाले सभी मुसलमान दोजख में ही जायेंगे.

        २. अल्लाह कि बात सिर्फ अल्लाह ही जानता है. तुम लोग ये बात समझ नहीं सकते. अगर समझना चाहते हो तो इस्लाम को अपना लो और सच्चे दीन में आ जाओ.

        ३. अल्लाह जिसे चाहे उसे और जैसा चाहे उसे वैसा बनाता है. सब अल्लाह कि मर्जी से होता है. अँधा आदमी अँधा ही पैदा होने वाल था इसीलिए वो अँधा पैदा हुआ. अल्लाह कि मर्ज़ी से ऐसा हुआ.

        ४. लोहे महफूज़ को सिर्फ पाक साफ़ लोग समझ सकते हैं तुम नहीं. अल्लाह्चाहता है कि तुम सच्चे रास्ते पर चलो और इस्लाम को अपना लो.
        इसीलिए उन्होंने जाकिर बही जैसे इल्मी इंसान को जमीन पर अपनी खिदमत में भेजा. लेकिन तुम हिन्दू समझते ही नहीं .

        ५ अल्लाह जो चाहे कर दे. यही तो अल्लाह है. हमारा अल्लाह तुम्हारे भगवन कि तरह से कमज़ोर नहीं है. अल्लाह जो चाहे कर सकता है. पैअग्म्बर मोहम्मद [PBUH] अल्लाह के भेजे हुए बन्दे थे. अल्लाह के रहमो करम से सब हुआ. हनुमान भी अल्लाह के भेजे हुए फ़रिश्ते थे. तुम्हे पता नहीं है अल्लाह से पूरी दुनिए में एक लाख से भी ज्यादा फ़रिश्ते भेजे थे. हनुमान भी हो सकता है उनमे से एक ही हो.

        अब तुम इस्लाम को अपना लो और सच्चे रास्ते पर चलो.

        अल्लाह हो अकबर
        अल्लाह हो अकबर
        अल्लाह हो अकबर

        • says

          ——-तुम काफिर और पीर को मानने वाले सभी मुसलमान दोजख में ही जायेंगे.———
          तो आप पहले दोजख से उन लोगो को बचाओ फिर हिन्दुओ को समझाने आना || जिनकी अपनी आँखें चमकादड़ की हो उन्हें सूरज से बैर नहीं लेना चाहिए !!

          ——- अल्लाह कि बात सिर्फ अल्लाह ही जानता है. तुम लोग ये बात समझ नहीं सकते. ——–
          हाँ आप तो अल्लाह वाले हो आप समझा दो !

          =—–अल्लाह जिसे चाहे उसे और जैसा चाहे उसे वैसा बनाता है. सब अल्लाह कि मर्जी से होता है.—–
          अल्लाह की ऐसी मर्जी क्यों हुई? अल्लाह को उसकी आँखों से क्या काम ? वो आँखों का क्या करेगा ? सबको आँखें दी तू उसे देने में क्या कमी हो गयी ?

          —-लोहे महफूज़ को सिर्फ पाक साफ़ लोग समझ सकते हैं तुम नहीं. ———
          तुम तो “पाक साफ़ “(?) हो , तुम ही समझा दो |

          ——– अल्लाह जो चाहे कर दे. यही तो अल्लाह है. हमारा अल्लाह तुम्हारे भगवन कि तरह से कमज़ोर नहीं है. अल्लाह जो चाहे कर सकता है———–
          तो क्या अलहाह खुद को मार भी सकता है ? क्या वो एक नया अल्लाह भी बना सकता है ? क्या वो अन्याय भी कर सकता है ?
          अगर ऐसा है तो कहे का अल्लाह ? जाने कब का खुद को मार चूका होगा ?

    • says

      Indian AZ – I was thinking you will respond to my post. But you did not. Just tell me now, what is your problem ? Is it just to debate ? Or there is some more intention behind ?

  33. indian_az says

    @akhila,just read articles of this site and u’ll get ur answer, can u not see what agniveer is writing and how he is provoking? can u not see what he has written “change bakrid to cow eid” ? you must know there is no bakrid, what is the intention behind giving wrong arguments? he is saying that what ZN is saying that is copied from one qadiyani? u just search sheikh ahmed deedat on you tube and u’ll get ur answer from where ZN is coping? i have one book vedik dharm aur islam which has been written by a pandit vedprakash upadhyaya in 1969 published by sarasvat vedant prakash sangh. can u guess the age of ZN in 1969? y u say that ZN is saying totally new thing and it is his research? above all just read ur comments, quran and islam is foreign for u but ved is not foreign for italy or saudi? does it make sense? you just search maulana farooq khan, shams naved usmani and read what they have written. you can search “hazrat muhammad aur bhartiya dharam ghranth” written by M.A. srivastava. you can read bhavishya purana, even i have one copy published by geetta press gorakhpur and book has hazrat muhammad name. you say that it is interpolation then i say who has added and y u have accepted and y are u printing till date? are u not free to kick those lines out from ur book? above all how could u say that this line is fabrication and this line is original? on veg non-veg topic he has given u all wrong arguments but u have accepted? se what krishna is asking, i have answered to truth seker about lauh e mahfooz but still krishna is writing ” कुरान अनुसार लोहे- महफूज नाम की पुस्तक में सबका भूत .वर्तमान और भविष्य लिख रखा है | जब लिख रखा है तो अर्थात अल्लाह ने निश्चित कर रखा है |”
    can he not read that verse which i have quoted yesterday? T-S always say that Allah is sitting on lauh e mahfooz and when i asked him where is the reference then he has gone? many peoples said that agniveer site is spreading hatred then i have searched it and when i saw total vile charges then i try to refute them.my view totally changed…

    • says

      –But this is an honored Qur’an,[Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate.
      quran.com/85/21-22
      you can see what lauh e mahfooz is, Allah is using it for quran.—-

      so hence, you mean to say that loh-e-mehphooz == quran. and does not contain any destiny of human beings??

      please recheck this claim of yours if it is so!!

      and i would be heartily glad and appreciator of your knowledge if you please to put light on other 4 questions also!

  34. indian_az says

    @akhila, my view totally changed regarding aryasamaj, you have no difference between truth and filth. you can say any thing to prove urself right.

    • says

      Dear Indian_az

      I support your concern. But lets make some clarifications here –
      If you have read the articles of Agniveer, they are catagorised as “Rebutal to IRF or ZN” or Vedic knowledge. You should not feel bad for the first catagory unless you support that view. Then, the moment when you accept that ZN is right, you give us full right to blame you and your religion. Clear concept, respect me, I will respect you. If you say my belief is wrong, I wont leave you easily.

      Second, regarding Bhavishya Puran
      If you read that bledy book which all claim to be writen by Veda Vyasa, (I dont believe so, because a learned man like him wont give a bad title to a book. Puran means past and bhabishya means future), there the attributes given to Mohammed is Mlechha which means dirty, bad, cruel, filthy. Do you accept these for Mohammed ? Again there it is written that Mohammed was a demon in previous birth. Do you accept this ? Cream of this point is do you accept the concept of rebirth at first point ?

      Regarding Vedas and its allienity

      you are going out of track dear.
      1. you asked are Budhist and Jains Hindu ? I answered yes, because the word Hindu means religious belief that took birth in Indian sub continent, as Islam and Christianity are not from this land they are allien to the words Hindu (they are not hindu), but not to man kind (i say, they are of human).

      2. I again said I prefer to be called sanatan. Sanatan means eternal. You will accept one thing that Christianity and Islam are hardly 2 millenium old. Yehudis claim they are for hardly 4 thousand years. So what is sanatan ? The humanity is sanatan. It is with the humans from the 1st day of human civilisation.

      3. Now you are raising questions vedas are alien to Italy. Man you will accept this statement too that Vedas are the oldest scripture of man kind. These are of every human, it is not limited to any regional bondage because of being the oldest. So, these are not alien to any human.

      We are concerned about preserving the oldest…

  35. says

    –But this is an honored Qur’an,[Inscribed] in a Preserved Slate.
    quran.com/85/21-22
    you can see what lauh e mahfooz is, Allah is using it for quran.—-

    so hence, you mean to say that loh-e-mehphooz == quran. and does not contain any destiny of human beings??

    please recheck this claim of yours if it is so!!

    and i would be heartily glad and appreciator of your knowledge if you please to put light on other 4 questions also!

  36. indian_az says

    @krishna, your questions have been answered many times but suppose if i give u answer than what u will do?all your questions always come from these sites so i know them already and i know answeres for most of them. i have almost whole library in my home and i dont require any ZN for help. it is u aryasamajis who require Agniveer as u blindly copy paste. i can also copy paste from islamhinduism/islamictreasures.com, answering-islam etc.
    just answer my one question can u believe it that in our body every cell has DNA which has all the information regarding our life and can u believe this foolish argument that u cant see DNA with ur naked eye? can u believe in this foolish tale told by our scientists?
    can u believe that there is universe which is so vast that we cant imagine its vastness? it is beyond our imagination and it is continuously expanding? expanding? can u believe there is one more model of universe in every atom which u cant see?
    i dont know what u want to say about lauh-e-mahfooz? quran is preserved and no body can change it, it is from Allah and you can see it cant be interpolated like bible etc.

    • says

      हा हा हा !!
      मैंने हिंदी में लिखे हुए अपने प्रश्न दे दिए तो आप तो मेरी हिंदी पर ही प्रश्न चिन्ह लगाने लगे हो |

      ——–i dont know what u want to say about lauh-e-mahfooz?—–
      मैं पूछना चाहता हूँ की , लोहे महफूज़ में सबकी तकदीर (कौन क्या करते है, क्या करता था ,भविष्य में क्या करेगा ) ये लिख रखा है या नहीं ??
      अगर हाँ …
      तो मेरा ये पांचवा प्रश्न लागू होता है ..
      “”””प्रश्न ४: कुरान अनुसार लोहे- महफूज नाम की पुस्तक में सबका भूत .वर्तमान और भविष्य लिख रखा है | जब लिख रखा है तो अर्थात अल्लाह ने निश्चित कर रखा है | अर्थात अल्लाह ने ही निश्चित कर दिया है की कौन पाप करेगा कौन पुण्य |
      कौन चोर बनेगा कौन पुलिस ये तो अल्लाह पहले ही तय कर चुके है ! अर्थात कौन स्वर्ग जाएगा कौन दोजख ये भी तय हो चूका है | फिर अल्लाह ने ये संसार का स्वांग क्यों रचाया है ?”””

      अगर आप कहना चाहते है की नहीं लोहे महफूज़ में तकदीरें नहीं लिखी हुई तो भी बताइए ताकि में कुरान और इस्लामी विद्वानों के प्रमाण दिखा दू जो कहते है की लोहे महफूज़ में सबका भूत भविष्य वर्तमान लिखा है |

  37. indian_az says

    @krishna, main apna waqt barbad nai karna chahta tha par phir bhi thori si mehnat kar leta hun.. tumne likha hai “रश्न १ : यदि मूर्ति पूजा / जड पूजा इस्लाम की नज़र में शिर्क है (ऐसा पाप जो क्षमा न किया जावेगा ) और कुरान व् इस्लाम के विरुद्ध है , तो जैसे वहाबियो को गैर मुसलमान करार दिया गया … क्या सभी सूफियों और हाजी अली आदि दरगाहो पर जाने वालों को कब फतवा जारी कर गैर मुसलमान या काफ़िर कहा जाएगा ??”
    1)pata nahi kahan se copy karte aur copy karte hue dekhte nahin kiya???? ya tumhein hindi nai aati??? sanskrit kaise samjho ge??? haji ali par jaane walon ko mushrik hi kaha jata hai agar woh ibatdat ya sua mangne jatein hain to. agar koi unke liye dua kar raha hai to shirk nai hai. par jab tumne khud likha hai ki jar puja shirk hai to phatwa jaari karke gair musalmaan ya kaafir kiyon kaha jayega? mushrik kiyon nahi? aur kiya mushrik nai kaha jata? aapko pata bhi hai mushrik aur shirk ka kiya matlab hai? aur kaafir kise kehte hain? kiya ab samjhe naqal karne ke liye bhi aqal chahiye hoti hai. kuch to aqal lagaya karo likhte hue.
    your second q is “रश्न २ : कुरान के अनुसार ये सृष्टि पहली और आखिरी सृष्टि है | इस से पहले कभी कोई सृष्टि नहीं थी | तो इस सृष्टि को रचने से पहले समय में अल्लाह क्या कर रहा था ? क्या वो निठल्ला बता था ? और कयामात की रात/दिन के बाद क्या वो निठल्ला बेथ जायेगा ?”
    pehli baat mujhe batao quran ne kahan kaha hai ki yeh pehli aur akhiri srashti hai?????????????????? baqi jo tumne likha hai na is tarah ki language Allah ke liye hum bardasht nai karte, agar koi nadani mainbole to samjha do par agar jaan bujh kar to aisi jagah hum baat nai karte aur baqi tum samajh daar ho. dusri baat tumlog Allah ko insaan se compare karte ho, Allah baari ta’ala kabhi busy nai hota yeh insani sifatein(characters hain). yeh to aryasamajiyon ka concept hai ki ishwar ko kuch paida karne ke liye primary cell ki requirement hoti hai ya coaservates ki? jaise hum lab main synthesize kartein hain to pehle starting material lete hain aur jo starting material hoga usi ke according final product banega? par yeh bahut hi…

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      अगर ऐसी बात है तो आपको हिन्दुओ को ये समझाने से पहले की जड़ मूर्ति कुछ नहीं कर सकती , मुसलमानों को समझाना चाहिए की कब्रों में सर फोड़ फोड़ कर कुछ हासिल नहीं होगा | जिनके अपने घर शीशे के हों उन्हें दूसरी तरफ पत्थर नहीं उछालने चाहिए |

      —–प्रश्न २ : कुरान के अनुसार ये सृष्टि पहली और आखिरी सृष्टि है | इस से पहले कभी कोई सृष्टि नहीं थी | तो इस सृष्टि को रचने से पहले समय में अल्लाह क्या कर रहा था ? क्या वो निठल्ला बेठा था ? और कयामात की रात/दिन के बाद क्या वो निठल्ला बेठ जायेगा ? ”—–

      इसका आपने कोई उत्तर नहीं दिया .. उल्टा मुझे ही धमकाने लगे | पर चलिए कोई बात नहीं जिसने जो सीखा है सो वही करेगा | लेकिन मजहब में “अकल का दखल नहीं ” ये जुमला अब पुराना हो गया है |

      ——– jaise hum lab main synthesize kartein hain to pehle starting material lete hain aur jo starting material hoga usi ke according final product banega? ——
      अवश्य अवश्य , क्यूंकि अगर परमात्मा के हाथ में होता की कौन कैसा हो , तो वो सभी को साफ़ दिल वाला और नेक ही बनाता | भला यदि परमात्मा कोई चीज़ बनता है तो उसमे वो झूट, कपट, बेईमानी , चोरी ,द्वेष, राग , निंदा आदि दोष क्यों छोड़ेगा | ये तो साफ़ है की क्यूंकि प्रकृति में सत , रज और तम गुण हैं इसी कारन जीवो में ये गुण हैं |

      मेरे प्रश्न अभी भी अनुत्तरित हैं

      • indian_az says

        @krishna,aap baar baar keh rahe ho quran ke anusar , quran ke anusar “प्रश्न २ : कुरान के अनुसार ये सृष्टि पहली और आखिरी सृष्टि है | इस से पहले कभी कोई सृष्टि नहीं थी ” kahan hai yeh? ya yehi kehdo ki aapne blindly copy kiya hai? aur phir mainanswer de chuka hun ki Allah busy ho gaya yeh islam ka concept hai hi nai , Allah kabhi busy nai hota, koi kaam karte huye busy hona insaano ke liye hai aur aapka jo concept hai ishwar ka woh aisa hi hai ki aap ishwar ko insaano se compare karte ho. ab batao aapka question hi valid nai to answer kaisa? aur jaisi aap language use kar rahe ho Allah ke barein main waisa hum bardasht nai kartei aur haan humein yeh hi sikhaya gaya hai chahe aap jo samjho.

  38. indian_az says

    @krishna, ….yeh bahut hi nichle istar ka concept hai Allah ke liye. Allah is wara-ul-wara.
    your third q is good..”रश्न ३ : संसार में कोई अंधा पैदा होता है तो कोई तेज दृष्टि वाला , कोई तंदरुस्त पैदा होता है तो कोई अपंग , कोई सड़क पे पैदा होता है तो कोई सोने चांदी के महलों में ”
    dekhiye islam ka concept hai ki yeh duniya eik exam hai aur yahan ke according hi hamesha ki jannat ya jahannam milegi. ab agar koi andha hai to uska test ya imtehan asan ho gaya (par hum khud apni ankhein nai phor sakte). paisa to bahut bhari fitna hai aadmi main ghurur aur takabbur aajata hai, par agar kisi ke paas paisa hai aur woh zakat to deta hi hai par ghareebon par bhi khub kharach karta hai to yeh uske liye asanai hogi. in short agar sab eikse hote to phir kis cheez ka test hota? aur kisi ameer se puchna ki kiya woh khush hai? kiya aapko koi pareshani nai hai krishna ji? haan agar islam ko follow kareingein to itna difference nai hoga ameer gharib main. islam main charity bahut hai aur zakat farz hai paisa, gold, silver, sab par.

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      ——–dekhiye islam ka concept hai ki yeh duniya eik exam hai aur yahan ke according hi hamesha ki jannat ya jahannam milegi.—-
      दुनिया एक परीक्षा है | यदि दुनिया एक परीक्षा है तो क्या सभी को एक जैसा प्रश्न पत्र नहीं मिलना चाहिए ??
      किसी को काफ़िर के घर पैदा करना और किसी को मोमिन के , किसी को अँधा पैदा करना और किसीको तेज़ दृष्टि का , किसी को सुन्दर अंगो के साथ और किसी को अपंग पैदा कर देना .. क्या ये किसी को आसान और किसी को मुश्किल प्रश्न पत्र पकड़ा देने जैसा नहीं है ??
      आप ही बोलिए क्या ये सरासर ज्यादती नहीं हुई ?
      किसी की आसन परीक्षा किसी की मुश्किल ,
      कोई पैदा होते ह मर गया तो परीक्षा उड़ गयी और वो पास , और वहीं दूसरा व्यक्ति १०० वर्षो तक बेठ कर परीक्षा दे रहा है |
      क्या पक्षपात नहीं है ?

      • says

        इस्लाम का ज़कत का जो कांसेप्ट है , ये अच्छा है | और इसे अपने जीवन में भी लागू करना चाहिए |
        देखिये जो अच्छी चीज़ है वो चाहे कहीं हो , किसी मजहब में हो मुझे स्वीकार्य है |

  39. indian_az says

    @krishna, aapne likh hai ki “तो मेरा ये पांचवा प्रश्न लागू होता है ..
    “”””प्रश्न ४: कुरान अनुसार लोहे-”
    aapne kahan hindi parhi hai ? sanskrit kaise parhoge? panch kiya aise “४” hi likhte hain?
    bhai main mazaaq kar raha hun bura mat manna ok ghalti sab se ho jati hai excitement main.

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      बुरा मानने की तो कोई बात ही नहीं है | हम लड़ नहीं रहे केवल विचार कर रहे हैं , इसके अंत पे हम दोनों कुछ सीखकर ही जायेंगे | और हाँ ‘५’ पांच ऐसे लिखा जाता है |वो शायद गलती से लिखा गया होगा ,उसके लिए क्षमा चाहुगा |

  40. indian_az says

    @krishna, aapne likh hai “रश्न ४: कुरान अनुसार लोहे- महफूज नाम की पुस्तक में सबका भूत .वर्तमान और भविष्य लिख रखा है | जब लिख रखा है तो अर्थात अल्लाह ने निश्चित कर रखा है | अर्थात अल्लाह ने ही निश्चित कर दिया है की कौन पाप करेगा कौन पुण्य |”
    khali hawa main kiyon fire kar rahe ho? jab main subah se keh raha hun ki blind copy mat karo reference lado quran se to mujhe aasani hogi answer dene main to reference kiyon nahi de rahe ho?
    yeh taqdeer ka mas’ala thora pechida hai, hinduism zyadatar philosophy se deal karta hai par mujhe philosophy achi nai lagti, bhai main to practical par believe karta hun. phir bhi main samjha ne ki koshish karta hun jo maine samjha hai islamic scholars ki books se. dekhiye har kaam ke liye aapko 2 ya uss se bhi zyada raste milenge, Allah ne aapko azadi di hai jo chahe rasta istemal karo lekin woh saare raste Allah ko pata hain aur kis par chal kar aap kahan jaoge yeh bhi pata hai. agar aap thora sa bhi parheinge gravitational force ya apni body ke barein main to aapko pata lagega ki humare paas koi bahut zyada azadi nahi hain. har cheez ki limit hai, yani charon taraf se hum bandhein hain, yeh sabto Allah ne already provide kar rakha hai bus hamain Allah ne choice di hai ki jis chahain jis rastein ko chun lein par woh sare raste Allah ko pata hain aur un par chalkar kiya result hoga yeh bhi pata hai. satan aapko behka sakta hai haath pakar kar nai chala sakta. agar koi Allah se sache dil se hidayat chahega to use Allah zaroor dega, aap try kar ke dekho. Allah se sache man se mango sidhe raste ki hidayat phir aapko jo rasta dikhe us par chal paro.

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      ना ना ना | ये गोल मोल बात करके आप प्रश्न को गायब कर रहे हैं |
      प्रश्न है की लोहे महफूज़ में अल्लाह ने सब लोगो की तकदीर अभी लिखी हुई है या नहीं ?
      अगर लिखी हुई है तो क्या जो उसमे लिखा है हम उससे अलग या उलट जा सकते है ?

      मुझे लगता है की आपको लोहे महफूज़ के बारे में जानकारी नहीं है थोडा नेट पर सर्च कर लीजिये |

  41. indian_az says

    @krishna, pehle iska reference do ya phir yeh mano ki aapne ghalat likha hai “रश्न २ : कुरान के अनुसार ये सृष्टि पहली और आखिरी सृष्टि है ” iska bhi batao warna mano ki aapne yahin kisi article se copy paste kiya hai “रश्न ४: कुरान अनुसार लोहे- महफूज नाम की पुस्तक में सबका भूत .वर्तमान और भविष्य लिख रखा है ”
    aur jo aapne likha hai ki “किसी को मुश्किल प्रश्न पत्र पकड़ा देने जैसा नहीं है ??
    आप ही बोलिए क्या ये सरासर ज्यादती नहीं हुई ?
    किसी की आसन परीक्षा किसी की मुश्किल ,
    कोई पैदा होते ह मर गया तो परीक्षा उड़ गयी और वो पास , और वहीं दूसरा व्यक्ति १०० वर्षो तक बेठ कर परीक्षा दे रहा है |
    क्या पक्षपात नहीं है ?”
    iss se to bahas chalti rahe gi agar aapke gale se na utre to na sahi main kiya kar sakta hun? par maine khud mehsoos kiya hai ki jab main beemaar hota hun ya koi bhari waqt aata hai ki mere paseene nikal jayein to main sochta hun ki yeh waqt kaise katega, par aaj mujhe uski takleef ka koi ehsaas nai. isi tarah agar main koi acha kaam karte hue pareshani uthata hun to uski takleef aaj mujhe yaad nai par uska jo sawab/badla mujhe jannat mein milega woh kabhi khatm nai hoga, kiya aap kabhi na khatm hone wale araam ki eik khatm hone wali pareshani se koi comparison kar saktein hain? aapka question jab valid hota jab koi jannat dozakh nai hoti, agar koi langra hai to woh kitna jiyega? 100saal bas, lekin agar usne sabr rakha aur baqi nemato par Allah ka shukr karta raha, Allah par imaan rakha to jo use humesha ki nematon bhari jannat milegi to kiya tab bhi aap mano ge ki yeh pakhshpaat hai? kiya aap hamesha(abadann abada) ko soch bhi sakte ho? kisi ke paas khub paise the usne khoob maze liye aur 70-80saal ki zindagi pakar margaya aur phir humesha ki jahannam main gaya tab? kiya aap koi aisa banda bata sakte ho jis ke paas khoob paisa ho aur woh khoob maze leta ho aur khush ho? use koi pareshani na ho? pareshani to sabke saath hai? mujhe to koi aisa nai mila jjse koi pareshani na ho? aapko koi maloom ho to mujhe zaroor batein main milne ki koshish karunga?

    • says

      —– pehle iska reference do ya phir yeh mano ki aapne ghalat likha hai ——-

      देखो आप ये क्यों चाहते हो की में पहले रेफरेंस दूं ?
      आप बताओ की अगर ऐसा है तो ये सही है या गलत ?
      क्या आप ये कहना चाहते हो की कुरआन के अनुसार अलाह बार सृष्टि बनता और तोड़ता है ?
      या फिर कुरान इस बारे अनजान है ?
      कुरान क्या कहती है ये आप बता दो!

      और आपने बाकि प्रश्न उड़ा दिए हैं |

    • says

      “”100saal bas,…………… pareshani na ho? pareshani to sabke saath hai?””
      आपका ये तर्क की अमीर व्यक्ति भी खुश नहीं होता कुतर्क ही माना जायेगा |
      कारण ये है की कोई भी आमिर व्यक्ति भिकारी नहीं बनना चाहता और कोई भिकारी ऐसा नहीं जो अमीर न होना चाहता हो |
      —— aapko koi maloom ho to mujhe zaroor batein main milne ki koshish karunga?——

      अब आपको कोई ऐसा सेठ मालूम हो जो भिकारी बनना चाहता हो तो मुझे बताइगा , में भी मिलने की कोशिश करुगा |

      • indian_az says

        @krishna, aap samajhna nai chahte, aapne likha hai “आपका ये तर्क की अमीर व्यक्ति भी खुश नहीं होता कुतर्क ही माना जायेगा |
        कारण ये है की कोई भी आमिर व्यक्ति भिकारी नहीं बनना चाहता और कोई भिकारी ऐसा नहीं जो अमीर न होना चाहता हो |”
        maine kaha hai ki dukh aur pareshani to sabke saath hai to ismein problem kiya hai? pehli baat yehi to hai ki islam ameer se kehta hai ki apna paisa ghareeb ko do, agar aisa kiya jaye to koi faqeer nahi rahega aur ameer ko bhi sawab milega? maine pehle hi kaha tha ki hum apni aankh nai phor sakte par humari aankh se jitna fayada hai utna hi uska imtehan hai, ameer gharib hotein hain . ameer ka test hai ki paisa de ghareeb ka test hai ki koi ghalat baat Allah ke liye munh se na nikale aur na hi koi najayez tariqaapnaye paisa kamane ke liye aur society ka test hai ki aisa qanoon lagu kare jo ameer aur ghareeb ki khai ko kam kare. main keh raha hun ki khush to dhanna seith bhi nai hai nai hi langra khush hai to khushi to matter hi nai hai? aaap keh rahe the ki langra bechara pareshaan hai par kiya jiske dono pair theek hain woh pareishaan nai hai? jiske dono pair hain uska bhari test bhi to hai? aap kehte ho saab ke liye eik sa paper kiyon nahi to aap khud socho ki agar saab barabar ho jayengein to kaisa test? duniya kaise chalegi? aur koi langra hai to Allah sab kuch janne wala hai ki uski kiya limit hai usko kitni mehnat karni chahiye thi use isi hisab se result milega. aap Allah ko eik insaan samajh kar baat kar rahe ho.

        • krishna arya says

          अच्छा तो अर्थ है की आप कुरान के गुलाम हो चुके हैं उसमें जो भी मिलेगा आप उसपर यकीं करोगे (चाहे कितनी ही असंभव, अमानवीय , अश्लील, गपोड़ी बातें हो ) लेकिन अगर वैसी ही चीज़ कहीं और मिली तो …quran ya hadees se pata nai lagta to hum kiyon maan लें..
          koi saboot nai — जैसे आपके पास चाँद टूटने , बिना बाप के औलाद होने, गधे के उड़ने के सबूत ही सबूत है |
          Allah ne aag ko hukm diya thandi hone ke liye woh thandi ho gayi – वाह रे उस अल्लाह की , जो आग को हुकुम देता है .. आग है या जीती जागती आत्मा ? जड़ , निर्जीव आग को क्या हुकुम दिया और क्या उसने माना ? सदके जायें ऐसे अल्लाह और मुहम्मद के जो ये सब लिख लिखवा दिया | जो ऐसी बातो पर यकीं करें तो किसे शक है की मुसलमानों को खुद को बम्ब लगा कर उड़ा देने की हद तक मुल्ला लोग बरगला लेते है |

          ये आपने ये केहकर साबित कर दिया की ….””jo bhi quran main hai woh hum mantein hain. ” इसे ही अंध विशवास कहते है |

          चलिए , प्रणाम परमात्मा सबका कल्याण करे |
          हमारी काफी बातें होगयी में इसी के साथ हमारी इस वार्ता को विराम देता हूँ |

          ||ॐ शांति शांति शांति ||

  42. indian_az says

    @krishna, gol mol aap kar rahe ho main to search kar lunga par jab apko maloom nai tha to aapne ilzaam kaise laga diya? pehle confirm karte phir puchtei. yeh jo duniya main aapko gumrah kar rahein hain yeh aakhirat main palla jhar lengein. aap apne karmon ke liye khud zimmedar ho, is liye copy paste band karke khud socho. taqdeer ke masle par maine aapko bata diya iss se zyada clear cut nai bata sakta. har baat zaruri nai ki samajh aajaye. Allah kaisa dikhta hai, exactly kaisa hai yeh aise question hain jo humare dimagh ki llimit se bahar hain is liye hum uspar zyada baat nai karte. lekin aap dekho jannat dozakh hi sahi concept insaan ke liye. agar aap yoni parivartan main vishwaas rakhte ho to agar islam sacha nai hua aur aapne ise maan liya to aap dusri yoni main aajaoge, lekin agar islam sacha hua to? phir kabhi lotke nai aana, imagine about infinite time? to risk kyon le rahe ho? maine bhi jannat dozakh nai dekha aur aapne bhi nai dekha hai to aap deny bhi kaise kaar sakte ho ki jannat dozakh nai hain? jaise aapne bahut sari cheezein nai dekhin(agar aap sochein to zyadatar cheezein nai dekhin ) paraap kisi na kisi ka vishvaas karte ho isi tarah hum Allah ke rasool hazrat muhammad ka vishvass kartein hain. Hazrat muhammad ne kaha ki maine dekha hai, unko Allah ne jannat dozakh dikhayi, aap history parhein kisi dushman ne bhi aapko kabhi jhoota nai kaha phir hum jannat dozakh ke barein main hi kiyun jhoota maan lein? aur yeh concept insaaniyat ke liye zaroori bhi hai.

  43. indian_az says

    @krishna, maine koi question nai uraya hai, i have answered ur fifth question already,…”प्रश्न ५ : चाँद का दो हिस्सों में टूटना , बिना बाप के संतान होना , रस्सी का सांप बन जाना , गधे का उड़ना आदि अब क्यों नहीं दिखाई देता ? और किस प्रकार संभव है ?क्या आप हनुमान जी द्वारा सूरज को निगल लेने की बात पर विश्वास करते हैं? यदि नहीं तो क्यूँ ?”
    jab maine pehli baar internet ke baarein main suna tha ki hum forein country main baat bhi karsaktein hain aur dekh bhi to mujhe laga tha ki batane wala bewakoof bana raha hai. agar aap DNA ke barein main kisi ko 500 saal pehle bata te to shayad woh aapko pagal samajhta. eik cell jo khud nao dikhta usmein aur bahut chota eik DNA hai jo insaan ki puri jaankari rakhta hai? hum vishvaas rakhtein hain ki Allah aisa kar sakta hai aur karwa sakta hai, jaise jesus christ kisi andhe ki aankhon par haath pher te aur woh thik ho jata lekin quraan main jahan bhi aaya hai wahan likha hai “bi iznillah” yani Allah ke hukm se. to jo bhi karta hai Allah karta hai aur Allah supreme power hai. jo bhi quran main hai woh hum mantein hain. ab agar aap kaho ki hanumaan ji aisa kiya to hanumaan ji ka hi koi saboot nai phir humain quran ya hadees se pata nai lagta to hum kiyon maan lein? aisa nai hai ki aisa nai ho sakta par bina Allah ke chahe nai ho sakta. hanumaan ji ka koi concept nai hai, avtaar waad nai hai to hum kaise maan lein? ibrahim alaihissalam ko jab us waqt ke king ne aag mein dala to Allah ne aag ko hukm diya thandi hone ke liye woh thandi ho gayi, agar aap Allah ko itna powerfull nai mantein to yeh aapka mas ala hai main kiya karsakta hun? han agar aap yeh kaho ki ibrahim alaihissalam ne khud aag thandi kardi to yeh main nahi manunga.

    • pathik arya says

      @ Indian AZ

      DO U BELIEVE THAT donkey can actually FLY ?

      say SCIENTIFICALLY. YES/NO

      WHICH college Mr. mohammed did attend to take lessons in flying a DONKEY in ARAB ?

      i know only about one Mohammed ATA who had learned to FLY a plane and he had CRASHED it in World Trade Center.

      what about prophet mohammed FLYING a DONKEY. HA HA HA HAHA HA HA.

      is it SCIENTIFIC ?

      Now pls talk about science and not about ur personal belief since muslims claim that Islam is a scientific religion

  44. says

    —- to risk kyon le rahe ho? —–
    —-lekin agar islam sacha hua to–

    हाहा हा !
    आसन राह पकड लो , रिस्क मत लो , क्या पता इस्लाम सच्चा हो , दोजख से बच जायें …
    ये तो महज बुजदिली है मित्र , इसमें ईमान कोनसा और इबादत कोनसी ?
    यदि सब ऐसे हो जायें तो कोई भी आये और तुम्हे आज भी दोजख से भी बड़ा डर , और जन्नत से भी बड़ा प्रलोभन देकर दूजे मजहब में फुसला ले |

  45. indian_az says

    @krishna, “हाहा हा !
    आसन राह पकड लो , रिस्क मत लो , क्या पता इस्लाम सच्चा हो , दोजख से बच जायें …
    ये तो महज बुजदिली है मित्र , इसमें ईमान कोनसा और इबादत कोनसी ?
    यदि सब ऐसे हो जायें तो कोई भी आये और तुम्हे आज भी दोजख से भी बड़ा डर , और जन्नत से भी बड़ा प्रलोभन देकर दूजे मजहब में फुसला ले |”
    main to anginat example de sakta hun ki islam sacha hai, sabse bara sabut to quran hi hai, par main eik logical baat kar raha hun ki eik aise mazhab ko manna jiska concept aapko baar bar aane ki ijazat deta hai to usmein risk bhi le sakte ho par islam ke liye to koi risk nai lesakte. jannat se bara pralobhan aur dozakh se bara darr konsa ho sakta hai zara bataein? aur dusri baat jannat dozakh ka concept duniya main bhi fayeda deta hai aur aakhitrat main to hai hi fayeda. aapne kaha hai ki yeh buzdili hai dozakh se darna yeh sufi santon ka concept hai, jaise main kahoon ki main apne baap ki pitai ke darr se uski baat kiyon maanu yeh to buzdili hai jabki mere baap ne kaha bhi hai ki yeh karoge to yeh milega aur baghawat karoge to pitai paregi par main phir bhi kahun na na main nai manunga yeh buzdili hai.
    lekin aap woh reference to do jo maine mangein hain ya yeh maano ki aapko bewakooq bana ja raha hai. kiya apne truth seker ka comment parha hai lauh-e-mahfooz ke barein main?

    • says

      —- jaise main kahoon ki main apne baap ki pitai ke darr se uski baat kiyon maanu yeh to buzdili hai —-

      agar aapka baap sharab peene ko kahe, jua khelne ko kahe, kisi ka katl karne ko kahe … aur aap ye jante hue ki galat hai tab bhi maante raho , sirf pitai ke dar se .. do isey bujdli nahi to kya bahaduri kahoge??

      aur refernce chodo … aap khud btao…
      does quran says allah will make another world after this or there was a previous world before this?
      and
      does lohe mehphooz contains the present past and future of all human beings?

      answer these in yes or no!

  46. indian_az says

    @krishna, main samajh gaya ki aap kabhi nai man ne wale. aapko bata dun ki ghaib par imaan yani unseen par imaan pehli shart hai islam ki jaise Allah, jannat dozakh(pata nai aapne ishwar dekha hai ya nai aur aap vishwaas bhi rakhte ho ya nai). hum quran ki har baat ko maantein hain kyonki yeh Allah ka kalam hai. akhir main bas itna kehna chahta hun
    “Alif, Lam, Meem.This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah,, Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful” surah baqarah, surah no 2, ayat no 1-5

    • Hindu_Atheist says

      @indian_az
      BTW , can you tell me what do those 3 Arabic letters in the Surah Al-Baqara Alif Lam Meem actually mean? What is the significance of these letters?

      Also, what you forgot to mention in the Surah Baqarah 1-5 is that the 3rd verse “Allatheena yu/minoona bilghaybiwayuqeemoona assalata wamimma razaqnahumyunfiqoon” [Meaning:-Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them] has been rendered mansoukh by the nasikh verse 9:103 “Khuth min amwalihim sadaqatantutahhiruhum watuzakkeehim biha wasalliAAalayhim inna salataka sakanun lahum wallahusameeAAun AAaleem” [Meaning:- Take Sadaqah (alms) from their wealth in order to purify them and sanctify them with it, and invoke Allah for them. Verily! Your invocations are a source of security for them, and Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower].
      Why is Muhammad asking for a fee here?

      • Charvaki says

        @Hindu_Atheist
        I think I know what the 3 letters Alif Lam Meem mean. They mean A-L-M or alms (Sadaqah/bhikh). And, as rightly pointed out by you in the nasikh verse 9:103, Mo is exactly doing that; asking for alms (sadaqah). So, the letters A-L-M mean alms (sadaqah). No wonder so many Muslim nations are under alms from US/West and other dar-ul-harbs!! They’re carrying out the whims of their most esteemed prophet!!

    • pathik arya says

      @ Indian AZ

      1. i want to ask u CAN A DONKEY FLY 1400 yeras ago.

      2. do u think that its SCIENTIFIC ?

      3. Hanuman flew or not will not make any difference to the DONKEY of MOHAMMED.

      4. CAN U PROVIDE any EVIDENCE of DONKEY FLYING ?

      5. IF i say that i dont beleive in the fact that Hanuman JUMPED/ FLEW, will u also believe that MOHAMMED DIDNOT flew on DONKEY ?

      6. ISLAM and its beliefs are AGAINST SCIENCE AND EVIDENCE.

      7. if donkey could fly than why didnt Mohammed use them against those people who had chased him out of Mecca.

      8. If he had power to split moon in two parts than why did he run away from many battles like an ordinary person. why couldnt he use his SUPERPOWERS when he was persecuted by PAGANS and other arabic tribes.

      9. Why didnt angles combined with Flying donkey/ moon splitting powers come to his rescue when he was defeated many times by his enemies ?

      ANSWER NOW. Lets c how much logic u have.

      u use ur logic in analysing only hindu religion. why dont u use the same standard for Islam ?

  47. Indian says

    This site is totally a shit.For what you are fighting?Can you prove god is here?If these religions divide people and make us to abuse each other,fight each other then why do we need religions. Religions are man made.Don’t waste time in abusing each other.

    • KalBhairav says

      @Indian:

      For what you are fighting?

      Umm…culture and values of India so that we continue to use Devanagari script instead of Arabic script, so that we visit Kashi, Mathura, Kanyakumari, Somnath, Kailash Mansarovar instead of Mecca, Medina or Karbala, so that we can have a progressive liberal society instead of Shariah forced down everyone’s throat, so that religion does not form the basis of nationhood, so that Buddha statues are not destroyed by Indian Momins who may emulate the Taliban or Abraham their ancient prophet?

      What say you?

      • Indian says

        Can you prove God is true? If there is no God then we don’t need Kashi, Somnath, Kailsh, Mecca or Medina.Which culture and values you are talking about? Ugly caste based society or some evil and unethical practices like sati.

        • KalBhairav says

          @Indian:

          I probably cannot prove God’s existence to YOUR highness’ satisfaction. I dont care either way.

          It is sad that all you can think of when you consider Hinduism is casteism and Sati. Hinduism is much more than that.

          The point I was making was India has a distinct culture. Hinduism, unlike Abrahamic religions, is capable of adjusting to different societies and times. I feel that is worth preserving. The answer to Sati and caste is not “after the sacred months have passed, kill the polytheists whereever you find them” [Quran 9:5]

          May I ask you to preach these lofty thoughts in Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia? Would you agree that if you go around saying “Allah is a tooth-fairy and is as real as Santa Claus”, you will have your head served on a platter?

          • Indian says

            Problem here is we are still fighting for imaginary God.You don’t have to prove the existence of God to me.But tell me on what basis you believing in God.Did god help us when millions of innocent people dying unnecessarily. I am not against religion but this religion make us to fight each other then we don’t need religion.
            We want violence free,communal free society.Culture may change from time to time

            “May I ask you to preach these lofty thoughts in Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia? Would you agree that if you go around saying “Allah is a tooth-fairy and is as real as Santa Claus”, you will have your head served on a platter?”
            I will say the same thing to any one irrespective of religion whether he is Hindu or Muslim or christian. Surely I will say Allah is imaginary.Similarly I will say Ram, Krishnan and Eswar are imaginary.
            One thing I have seen from you is just to hate Islam and Muslims.Only two societies exists in this world whether it is Hinduism Christianity or Islam.Secular society and communal society.Choice is yours.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Indian
            _______You don’t have to prove the existence of God to me_______
            Go to this forum
            http://agniveer.org/Thread-Existence-of-God
            _________I am not against religion___________
            What do you mean by religion? Firstly, u need to understand this
            http://agniveer.com/1634/religion-vedas/

            ________surely I will say Allah is imaginary__________
            Correct, I Agree.
            ____Similarly I will say Ram, Krishnan and Eswar are imaginary_______
            They were not God. They were great human being. We made them God.

          • says

            Namaste Indian

            ——–Problem here is we are still fighting for imaginary God.——

            No. Problem comes when an idiot calls others’ beliefs as imaginary and thinks himself to be too smart and perfect.

            ——–But tell me on what basis you believing in God.——–

            If KB believes or disbelieves in God, why the hell are you so much concerned?

            ——- Did god help us when millions of innocent people dying unnecessarily.—–

            Concept of God (any power that keeps check of our Karma/deeds) helps people understand that dying of innocent people is WRONG. In the absence of concept of God, this concept of morality goes for a toss.

            ———I am not against religion but this religion make us to fight each other then we don’t need religion.——

            You should not decide for others what they need and what they dont as long as they dont interfere in your matters.

            ——–I will say the same thing to any one irrespective of religion whether he is Hindu or Muslim or christian.——–

            It is because you are an ignorant of history, present and art of analysis.

            ———-Similarly I will say Ram, Krishnan and Eswar are imaginary.———

            If you will say so then I will say your father was not your real father. Why should you unnecessarily hurt others’ feelings who are not hurting you at all?

            ——One thing I have seen from you is just to hate Islam and Muslims.——

            We dont hate Muslims. And yes if Islam means hating idolaters, killing them, enslaving their women, raping them, subjugating others, rooting out others’ cultures etc, then WE HATE ISLAM. And if you dont do the same, you are an idiot.

            Best Regards

          • Indian says

            —–If KB believes or disbelieves in God, why the hell are you so much concerned?—–

            When it comes to public space you have to answer my questions.Then for purpose you are running this site.You ask everybody to believe in Vedas and say it is God’s word but when i ask any questions why are you evading?

            —–Concept of God (any power that keeps check of our Karma/deeds) helps people understand that dying of innocent people is WRONG. —–

            Can you elaborate it briefly?In how many years we will understand?We have already crossed billions of years.
            Will this karma applicable to carnivores animals like lion , tiger which they don’t have choice except to kill?
            Hinduism believes in monotheism,monism,polytheism.
            Christians believes in Jesus as God.
            Islam believes in monotheism.
            Buddhists are agnostics.
            Jain peoples are atheists.
            Which is true?

            —–You should not decide for others what they need and what they dont as long as they dont interfere in your matters.—-

            I do not interfere in your matters as long as you don’t spread communal hatred to others.Why should I interfere if you say “all religions are equal and all human beings are my brothers and sisters” Why should I interfere if you accept all prophets as equal.

            —– And yes if Islam means hating idolaters, killing them, enslaving their women, raping them, subjugating others, rooting out others’ cultures etc, then WE HATE ISLAM.—–

            If anything wrong present in Qur’an you can reject.Why do you hate the whole community.Qur’an written before 1400 years.How can you expect it should be full authentic.Just because casteism present in Hindu scriptures I didn’t reject Hinduism.

        • shravak says

          Namaste Vajra

          Excellent points. But i didn’t understood the below one.

          —-If you will say so then I will say your father was not your real father. Why should you unnecessarily hurt others’ feelings who are not hurting you at all?——–
          Are you justifying blasphemy laws?

  48. says

    Great stuff Agniveer
    On Sikh Sangat website they are discussing the decline of bhudsimm and claiming hindus must of persecuted bhuddists.
    I and 2 other hindu posters were banned from that site for defending hinduism.
    Let us vanquish these lies on sanatan dharma, but condemn were any Hindu has done evil and wrong!

  49. dogra says

    Great article agniveer

    There is a thread on Sikh sangat site that talks about this, and slant is Hindus must have persecuted the bhuddists.
    I and 2 other hindu faith posters were banned from there as we defended sanatandharma against clear falsehoods, so cannot respond

    • Sikh says

      @Dogra

      They are fake Sikhs, may be its terrorists sangat funded by pakis. Ask them to behave like the real Sikhs by refuting this article not by banning people from commenting. Tell them we Agniveers(stand for courage, truth) are real Sikhs coz we are following the legacy of Sikh Gurus.
      Not like them who want to kill innocents and doesn’t even have a shame to become co-partners with the people/ideology who wants to divide us and who tortured our Gurus.

  50. Mullah Omar says

    dogra: Those on the sikh site have no clue about what my great great great……..great grandfather Babur did to Hindus and Sikhs alike in today’s Sind and Punjab. But for the resistance of guru nanak, my g.g.g.g.g.g.grand father Babur would have finished off Hindus long back and his sons would have ruled a dar-ul-islam…please tell this to those on the sikh website. Every Hindu must know to respect the Sikh guru traditions and Sikhs today are being brainwashed by my latest guru like zakir naik to hate hindus. then only it is good for us momins

  51. Gurudev says

    I do not know why muslims think that they are descendents of Babur and are proud of it. Most of their forefathers were converted to Islam by force by Muslim maurauders who killed or forcibly circumcised Hindu men and raped Hindu women and converted them to Islam by force. Their Hindu forefathers must be turning in their graves after knowing that their progeny speak in favour of Islam. Islam is not a religion of peace, it teaches killing of animals and human beings. Lakhs of goats are killed on Id and youngsters are taught how to do it. Animal rights activists also do not seem to mind these senseless killings

    • KalBhairav says

      @Gurudev:

      Good points…Islam, is fundamentally flawed. Allah says, “If you dont believe in me, eternal hellfire for you bi**hes. You idiots also have free will although I have 100% accurate knowledge of the future”.

      About those animal rights activists…they only work in open progressive countries like the US, UK, India, etc. In Momin-majority countries, like a scolded animal, they walk with their tails between their legs. After all, the Momins are so peace loving that they will kill you if you so much as raise one word of question about their religion.

  52. Prophet Muhammad (peace upon myself) says

    Yup in fact it is the terrorist false religion Islam that annihilated destroyed dismantled Buddhism from its very origin India by brutally mass-murdering over 20 million Buddhists in the name of one blood thirsty deity Allah (Satan) and their pedophile terrorist prophet (Muhammad).

    Proof:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIP6Rq2KqSI

    Murder of over 80 million Hindus. The struggle of evil worshipping Muslims to hijack India.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p17m6Z6daUw

  53. raj.hyd says

    padhiye kuran , dekhiye 8/65 me , jisme kuran ki ayte dene vale kahate hai ki e nabi ,[muhammad] momino[muslim] ko jehad ke liye ubharo !agar vah20 jqme rahane vale honge to 200 admi gair muslim]par prbhavi rahenge ? kya jehad ki ladai ki yah bat kuran me nah hai ? fir kyo kahate hai ki muslim jehadi nahi hote gair muslim ko nahi marte ? fir agli ayat 8/66 bhi dekh lijiye jisme kaha gaya hai hamne muslimo ki kuchkamjori dekhi hai , ab vah agar vah sau jame rahane vale honge to 200 par prbhavi honge! dekh lo apne khuda ke karname , itne bhari antar ko “kuch” antar kha raha hai ! yah kaisa khuda hai jo muslim ki kamjori bhi pahale se nahi jan paya ? aisi kurani allah ko kyo mante ho ? chhod do aise islam ko ? isi me bhalai hai aur samajhdari bhi hai ! tabhi kisi kavi ne kaha hai ki “khuda ki kuran ko dekh kar hi kuran se munkir[ inkar karne vali ]hui hai duniya jis khuda ki kitab aisi ho vah koi achha khuda nahi hai !” isliye allah ki qvality bhi dekh lijiye ! yah to kisi zahil se insan ki likhi hui kuran lagti hai , fir padh likh karke bhi itni zahil bate kyo mante hai ? isliye pahale janiye bad me maniye !

  54. KalBhairav says

    @Indian:

    What are you going on about? I already clarified that this isnt a fight about Brahman being greater than Allah [although metaphysically Brahman is, because Brahman did not create evil, while Allah did ;-) ] but a fight about culture. I also stated that Sati and casteism is condemned by Hindus these days and ALSO BY the patrons of this website.

    Do you find anything worthwhile to preserve about Indian culture or no?

    One thing I have seen from you is just to hate Islam and Muslims.

    Here’s a challenge for you. Open a random page of the Quran. My guess is on *any* page, there is going to be hatred *FROM ALLAH* himself for Kufrs.

    Islam is the greatest evil of our times. Eradicating it should be not only Hindus’ goal but also that of atheists. Because remember, Momins will slit your throat just as happily as they will slit mine.

    • Indian says

      —–Islam is the greatest evil of our times. Eradicating it should be not only Hindus’ goal but also that of atheists—–

      So what are you going to do?Kill all Muslims or drive out all Muslims from India?Democracy is more important than culture?If someone chooses Islam as their religion who are you to object?Do you want India to be theocratic country.We are Indians not Arabians.

      • KalBhairav says

        @Indian:

        So what are you going to do?Kill all Muslims or drive out all Muslims from India?Democracy is more important than culture?If someone chooses Islam as their religion who are you to object?Do you want India to be theocratic country.

        Are you going to ask questions and answer them yourself?

    • Indian says

      —-What are you going on about? I already clarified that this isnt a fight about Brahman being greater than Allah [although metaphysically Brahman is, because Brahman did not create evil, while Allah did ;-) ] but a fight about culture.——–

      Why do you fight for culture.If something have to be preserved it will be preserved. No need to fight with someone.
      If you speak about culture then it is the western culture which affects us a lot.Why didn’t you speak about that.Why didn’t rise your voice for that. Culture wont change unless we change ourselves.
      Moreover we don’t have the same culture and civilization as we had before 3000 years. So culture may change from time to time.

      • KalBhairav says

        @Indian:

        If something have to be preserved it will be preserved. No need to fight with someone.

        This is untrue. It presumes that a culture that is worth preserving is also capable of protecting itself. Before the Islamic revolution in Iran and Afghanistan, are you aware of how liberal societies there were?

        So culture may change from time to time.

        Absolutely. Hinduism is fine with that. In fact, amongst the major religions, Hinduism is probably the only religion that allows for freedom and subjective morality. It is to preserve this that we are fighting.

        Momins are still stuck with the hadiths of Mo. Mo forbade playing chess – so if Momins play chess today, they are going against the sunnah of the prophet. :-( How do you like that and how do you think we can popularize chess in the Muslim world?

    • gurudev says

      Sati became popular only after muslims invaded India. Rani Padmini preferred to commit sati than become a concubine of the evil Alauddin Khilji. Many other women did the same to escape evil muslims who lusted after beautiful Hindu women. This was right in that time and context. Even today Muslim men lust after beautiful Hindu women. As for the Muslim women, they are killed if they look at Hindu men and are kept as one of a number of wives at the mercy of muslim men. They are not allowed to get educated or work and stand up on their own feet. I pity them.

    • Indian says

      —– Hinduism is fine with that. In fact, amongst the major religions, Hinduism is probably the only religion that allows for freedom and subjective morality.It is to preserve this that we are fighting.—–

      Why you have to preserve?Hindus will preserve Hinduism.As long as there are Hindus in this world,Hinduism will be preserved.1 billion Hindus in this world.No need to worry.

      —–A scientist Imam who held darwinian views was issued death threats.——

      Why you worry for that.These are condemned by Muslims itself.Fundamentalists are there in all religions.You cannot single out only Islam.
      Can you prove Hinduism is fully scientific.Does it supports Darwinism?
      Can you explain what is the concept of God,what is karma,what is next life.Is it scientific.

      • KalBhairav says

        @Indian:

        Why you have to preserve?Hindus will preserve Hinduism.As long as there are Hindus in this world,Hinduism will be preserved.1 billion Hindus in this world.No need to worry.

        I already pointed out the logical fallacy with this type of reasoning. It presumes that what is worth preserving will automatically preserve itself without any sustained purposeful effort to preserve it. In support of my position, I pointed out to Iran and Afghanistan – two predominantly Muslim countries that had highly liberal societies prior to the Islamic revolution and the advent of the Taliban. I notice that you havent refuted this statement of mine and instead go on to assert your argument from before. Argument by assertion is weak unless supported by examples and other arguments.

        Why you worry for that.

        Please tell me you are kidding. As a concerned citizen of the world who worries about radical Islam, you (?), me and everyone in a sane mind should condemn the ideologies that permit Muftis to issue death threats to those who hold a different POV.

        Fundamentalists are there in all religions.You cannot single out only Islam.

        Yes, but Islam is the most virulent and militant of all the fundamentalist religions out there. Some say it goes back to the days of Mohammed himself – he used to wantonly rape, murder and assassinate those who disagreed with him. So, as a rational human being, with limited resources, I choose to concentrate on what I think is the most dangerous ideology out there – Islam. You got any problems with that? Or do you think I should spend time trying to denounce Jain/Sikh/Buddhist extremists? Will you then be happy that I am an equal-opportunity denouncer? Can you atleast acknowledge that Islam is more violent than Jainism?

        Can you prove Hinduism is fully scientific.Does it supports Darwinism?
        Can you explain what is the concept of God,what is karma,what is next life.Is it scientific.

        Eh…these are metaphysical questions. I thought we were discussing public…

        • KalBhairav says

          @Indian:

          Can you prove Hinduism is fully scientific.Does it supports Darwinism?
          Can you explain what is the concept of God,what is karma,what is next life.Is it scientific.

          Eh…these are metaphysical questions. I thought we were discussing public policy issues and how to deal with Islam.

  55. OM says

    The war against terror is not just India’s war or America’s war: it is a war of freedom against the spread of ideology of terror in the name of God. The West, America in particular, became aware of the threat only after 9/11 but India has been waging a war against Jihadi terror for over a thousand years. As a result no people in the world today have more knowledge and experience of fighting terror than the Indians. India and the West should be working together to defeat this menace. With countries in the strategically vital Middle East sliding into turmoil, solidarity with India becomes still more important: this is a fact not seriously disputed by any serious strategic thinker in the world
    But curiously, some groups based in America and Europe are actively engaged in weakening Indian society by dividing its people into mutually hostile camps on the basis of tribe, cast and religion. It is part of an ideology and academic exercise promoted by evangelical Christian and so-called ‘human rights’ organizations in an effort to spread their influence and gain converts. Many human rights organizations are little more than secular fronts of various churches that have made inroads into the media and are now trying to gain control of sections of the government.

  56. niraj says

    Buddhists have been involved in Sectarian Warfare. Theravada and Mahayana Buddhists have, in Asian History, gone after each other, as have other forms of Buddhism, over differing beliefs. In fact, such Warfare was pretty common in centuries past. of course, if one wants to maintain the Myth of Peaceful Buddhism, one can always find ulterior motives, such as Land Acquisition by Local Kings or the ability to seize Political Rule, but if one follows that path one should be intellectually honest and do the same for all Other Religions. Somehow I doubt they would though, and would sue this to prove how Buddhism is peaceful whilst still using the Protestant VS Catholic mindset to describe Northern Ireland and its troubles, which really were over British Sovereignty and Identity more than Theological disputes, or the Hundred Years Wars which were as much over Kings gaining power over vast land and wealth reserves held by the Church or seizing a Rival Kingdoms land as they were about Theological discourse. Even todays War on Terror involves more than Just Islam disagreeing with the Western Secular or Christian Culture.

  57. Daily Bread says

    Lord Buddha is considered to be the 9th Avatar of Lord Vishnu. While Buddhist worship Brahma, the Creator God in Hinduism. This alone prooves that the two faiths are very close to each other. Actually one does not need to go back to history to proove this, as it is in front of our eyes in the present. The Buddhist and Hindu communities in South East Asia build temples next to each other. Both Jakarta and Singapore have Shiva Mandir and Buddhist Vihara built wall to wall. People of both faiths visit and pray in each other’s temples. There is a Buddhist temple in Surabaya, Indonesia where at one point nearly half of the commitee members were Hindu Indians ! Members of our Daily Bread team live in these areas hence we see this beautiful unity on a daily basis. No other faith in the history of mankind have been so close as Hinduism and Buddhism.

  58. says

    सम्राट अशोक के काल में ब्राम्हणवर्ण के ब्राम्हण जातिका प्रभुत्व समाप्त हो गया था उस समय इनको कोई महत्त्व नहीं था । इनके जाती और इनके वर्ण को पूछने वाले भी नहीं बचे थे । इसलिए इन्होने “एक संघ मौर्य राज” प्रणाली को तहस नहस करने के लिए और भारतीय बौद्ध राजोओ के साथ संघर्ष करने के लिये ब्राम्हणवर्ण के लोगो ने विदेशी आक्रमणकारियों को देश में आमंत्रित किया था। अर्थात आक्रमणकारियों को देश में आमंत्रित करने वाले अगर कोई है तो वह ब्राम्हणवर्ण के लोग ही है। इन्होने यह इस लिये किया क्योंके इनको अपने जातिके प्रभुत्व को फिर से निर्माण करना और ब्राम्हण राज्य स्थापित करना यही एक मात्र उद्येश था (Ref. Pad Chinh by Hans)।

    राजनेतिक संघर्ष चले युद्ध हुए और इन्होने बुद्ध के वाणी को चुराकर ब्राम्हणधर्म की स्थापना की और कर्मकांड और पाखंडी रीतिरिवाज से भारतीय मूल के बौद्धो लोगो को शोषित किया इन्होने “अवतारवाद” के मानशिकता गुलामि मे लोगो को गुलाम बनाने का कार्य किया जो हम अभी देख रहे है । और इसी अवतार और कर्मकाण्डो से उस समय के बौद्ध लोग ब्राम्हणवर्ण के पाखंडी रीतिरिवाजो से छुटकारा पाने के लिये अलग-अलग स्म्रप्रदायो में बटे, फिर बाद में मुस्लिम आक्रमणकारियों को आमंत्रित किया तब कुछ “मुस्लिमधर्म” को स्वीकारा, जिसके परिणाम हम देख रहे है । इसी के साथ मुस्लिम आक्रमणकारियों को जब ब्राम्हणवर्ण के पाखंडी रीतिरिवाजो की सचाई मुस्लिम आक्रमणकारियों पता चली तब मुस्लिम आक्रमणकारियों ने इन्ही ब्राम्हणवर्ण के समाज के लोगो को “महाचोर के उपाधि” से सन्मानित किया।

    अब यह ब्राम्हणवर्ण के लोग मुसलमानों की इसलिए घृणा करते क्यों के इनको भारत को हिन्दू राष्ट्र घोषित करना है, और जबतक मुस्लिम धर्मावलम्बी के लोग भारत में है तब तक ब्राम्हणवर्ण के लोगो की हिन्दू राष्ट्र की मनोकामना प्रूर्ण नहीं हो सकती…. इसलिए भारतीय मूल के मुस्लिम लोगो की घृणा करते है । एक दृष्टी से देखा जाय तो ब्राम्हणवर्ण के लोग मुस्लिम आक्रमणकारियों के वंशज ही है । (Ref. “Five buddhist philosopher” by Rahul Sanskrutayan)

  59. prashant says

    चक्रवर्ती सम्राट चन्द्र गुप्त मौर्य (शासनकाल: 322 से 298 ई. पू.तक) की गणना भारत के महानतम शासकों में की जाती है। उसकी महानता की सूचक अनेक उपाधियाँ हैं और उसकी महानता कई बातों में अद्वितीय भी है। वह भारत के प्रथम ‘ऐतिहासिक’ सम्राट के रूप में हमारे शासक है, इस अर्थ में कि वह भारतीय इतिहास का पहला सम्राट है जिसकी ऐतिहासिकता प्रमाणित कालक्रम ठोस आधार पर सिद्ध है। बौद्ध और जैन साहित्य के अनुसार यह मौर्य (मोरिय) कुल में जन्मा था और नंद राजाओं का महत्त्वाकांक्षी सेनापति था। कुछ विद्वानों ने ब्राह्मण ग्रंथों, मुद्राराक्षस, विष्णुपुराण की मध्यकालीन टीका तथा 10वीं शताब्दी की धुण्डिराज द्वारा रचित मुद्राराक्षस की टीका के आधार पर चंद्रगुप्त को शूद्र कहा है।

    चाणक्य जिसे तक्षशिला नामक नगर का निवासी बताया गया है, उस समय चंद्रगुप्त आठ या नौ वर्ष का बालक रहा होगा तब चाणक्य ने अपनी दिव्यदृष्टि से चन्द्रगुप्त को देखा और राजत्व की प्रतिभा तथा चिह्न देखे और वहीं पर 1,000 कार्षापण देकर उसे उसके पालक-पिता से ख़रीद लिया और चन्द्रगुप्त को लेकर अपने नगर लौटा और 7 या 8 वर्ष तक उस तक्षिला प्रख्यात विद्यापीठ में उसे शिक्षा दिलाई, उस समय की समस्त ‘विधाएँ तथा कलाएँ’ सिखाई जाती थीं। वहाँ चाणक्य ने उसे अप्राविधिक विषयों और व्यावहारिक तथा प्राविधिक कलाओं की भी सर्वांगीण शिक्षा दिलाई ऐसा मत मुद्राराक्षस के रचनाकार का है । (Ref. मुद्राराक्षस) लेकिन पालि स्रोतों से प्राप्त चंद्रगुप्त के प्रारम्भिक जीवन के इस विवरण से जस्टिन के इस कथन की भी पुष्टि होती है कि उसका जन्म एक राज घराने में हुआ था। तब सवाल और शंका निर्माण होती है की ब्राम्हणग्रंथो रचना कार कैसे कह सकते की चन्द्रगुप्त एक अनाथ बालक था ? और चाणक्य ने खरीदा ? मगध के राजा जाति-नियमों को वैसे ही महत्त्व नहीं देते थे; मौर्य मूल निवासी थे। मौर्य (पालि: मोरिय) नाम मोर टोटेम का सूचक है, अर्थात तक्षकनाग के वंशज है। तब यह वैदिक-आर्य नाम नहीं हो सकता। (Ref. कैंब्रिज हिस्ट्री, पृ.435)

    सिकंदर की मृत्यु के बाद उसकी सेनापति सेल्यूकस यूनानी साम्राज्य का शासक बना और उसने चंद्रगुप्त मौर्य पर आक्रमण कर दिया। पर उसे मुँह की खानी पड़ी। काबुल, हेरात, कंधार, और बलूचिस्तान के प्रदेश देने के साथ-साथ वह अपनी पुत्री हेलना का विवाह चंद्रगुप्त से करने के लिए बाध्य हुआ। इस पराजय के बाद अगले सौ वर्षो तक यूनानियों को भारत की ओर मुँह करने का साहस नहीं हुआ। चंद्रगुप्त मौर्य का शासन-प्रबंध बड़ा व्यवस्थित था। इसका परिचय यूनानी राजदूत मेगस्थनीज़ के विवरण और कौटिल्य ? के ‘अर्थशास्त्र’ से मिलता है ? लगभग-300 ई. पू. में चंद्रगुप्त ने अपने पुत्र बिंदुसार को गद्दी सौंप दी। एरिया अर्थात काबुल, अराकोसिया अर्थात कंधार, जेड्रोसिया अर्थात मकरान, परीपेमिसदाई अर्थात हेरात प्रदेश यह उसकी राज्य की सिमाए थी। (Ref. भारत का इतिहास,लेखक: रोमिला थापर,प्रकाशक: राजकमल प्रकाशन )

    मुद्राराक्षस, विष्णुपुरा, धुण्डिराज ब्राम्हण ग्रंथो में चन्द्रगुप्त गुप्त के सदर्भ में कहा गया की, सेनानायक तथा महान विजेता ही नहीं था, वरन एक योग्य शासक भी था। इतने बड़े साम्राज्य की शासन – व्यवस्था कोई सरल कार्य नहीं था। अतः कौटिल्य की सहायता से ? उसने एक ऐसी शासन – व्यवस्था का निर्माण किया जो उस समय के अनुकूल थी। यह शासन व्यवस्था एक हद तक मगध के पूर्वगामी शासकों द्वारा विकसित शासनतंत्र पर आधारित थी किन्तु इसका सम्पूर्ण श्रेय चंद्रगुप्त सृजनात्मक क्षमता को ही दिया जाना चाहिए। और कौटिल्य ने लिखा है कि उस समय शासन तंत्र पर जो भी ग्रंथ उपलब्ध थे और भिन्न-भिन्न राज्यों में शासन – प्रणालियाँ प्रचलित थीं उन सबका भली-भाँति अध्ययन करने के बाद उसने अपना प्रसिद्ध ग्रंथ “अर्थशास्त्र” लिखा । चंद्रगुप्त एक कुशल योद्धा, सेनानायक तथा महान विजेता ही नहीं था, वरन एक योग्य शासक भी था। पच्छिम के विद्वानों का विचार से मौर्य शासन व्यवस्था पर तत्कालीन यूनानी तथा आखमीनी शासन प्रणाली का भी कुछ प्रभाव पड़ा। चंद्रगुप्त ने स्वयं ऐसी शासन व्यवस्था स्थापित की जिसे परवर्ती भारतीय शासकों ने भी अपनाया। ( Ref. वारमिंगटन. कामर्स बिटविन रोमन एंपायर ऐंड इंडिया, पृष्ठ 151)

    ब्राह्मण ग्रंथों मुद्राराक्षस, विष्णुपुरा, धुण्डिराज से ऐसा विद्धित होता है और शंका गहरी होती है की चाणक्य नाम का कोई व्यक्ति हुवा या नहीं ? क्योंके मुद्राराक्षस, विष्णुपुरा, धुण्डिराज में चाणक्य के संदर्भ में एक मत नहीं है ? चन्द्रगुप्त प्रारंभ से ही बहुत साहसी व्यक्ति था। जब वह किशोर ही था, उसने पंजाब में पड़ाव डाले हुए यवन (यूनानी) विजेता सिकंदर से भेंट की। उसने अपनी स्पष्टवादिता से सिकंदर को नाराज़ कर दिया। सिकंदर ने उसे बंदी बना लेने का आदेश दिया, लेकिन वह अपने शौर्य का प्रदर्शन करता हुआ सिकंदर के शिकंजे से भाग निकला और कहा जाता है। कि इसके बाद ही उसकी भेंट तक्षशिला के एक आचार्य चाणक्य या कौटिल्य-से हुई । और यहा सवाल खडा होता है की चाणक्य ने चन्द्रगुप्त को खरीदा कैसे ?

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