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Arya Ashfaqullah Khan – our role model

Sanjeev Newar
By Sanjeev Newar
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

मौत और ज़िन्दगी है दुनिया का सब तमाशा,
फरमान कृष्ण का था, अर्जुन को बीच रन में|
– अशफाक

Scene 1:
A youth was lying semi-conscious on floor uttering only ‘Hey Ram’, ‘Hey Ram’ after a stroke. People gathered around trying to revive him wondering why a devout worshipper of Allah was uttering name of Ram in such a stage! One of his friends knew the mystery and immediately brought his ‘Ram’ on scene. Only then did the young man obtain some peace and got back to life. Such was his love for Ram Prasad Bismil – the legendary mentor of a whole generation of patriotic revolutionaries. The young man was none other than Bismil’s alter-ego Ashfaqullah Khan.
Scene 2:
A gang of fanatics entered Arya Samaj, Shajhahanpur to kill Bismil. Ashfaqullah was also there. Immediately he stood up and took the leader of the gang at gun-point. He threatened to kill him if they did not go back. He said – To bring damage to Bismil, you will have to first kill me.
Scene 3:
Ram Prasad Bismil was a devout Hindu. Ashfaq was from a conservative Muslim family. But Ashfaq was resolved to win trust and heart of Bismil. Bismil did avoid him in beginning but that could not deter Ashfaq. He knew that true worship of Allah exists only in Vedas. And for Ashfaq, that road to Vedic worship passed through Bismil – the tejasvi Brahmchari who epitomized Tawheed.
Eventually they became so close that they used to eat from same plate and Ashfaq spent more time with Bismil than his own home. Who bothers about religions when friendship is built on basis of patriotism! The two legends together, in a way, shaped the destiny of future freedom movement.
Scene 4:
After being captured, a policeman asked Ashfaq – “Why are you working with Hindus to bring down British Empire? After all you are a Muslim.” Ashfaq replied promptly:

“Because Hindu Rashtra would be way better than British Empire!”

These are not scenes from a fictitious film but true incidents from life of one of the greatest patriots to have taken birth – Ashfaqullah Khan. While the world may have forgotten him and even Muslim leaders desist from highlighting this freedom fighter, he remains our role model.
– He was the first Muslim to willingly sacrifice his life at the gallows for sake of motherland. All at a tender age of 27. He writes that he was proud to be the first Muslim to do so and be first Muslim in his generations to serve the motherland.
It is time that our Muslim community gives birth to many such Ashfaqs and Hindu community gives birth to many Bismils who work together with them.
– He promised his mentor Ram Prasad Bismil to live and die with him. Eventually that became true and both great legends were hanged within a day on December 18 and 19, 1927.
– He was a true icon of Hindu-Muslim solidarity. His religion never forced him to curse an Arya Samaji – a critic of Islam – to eternal Hell. On contrary, the truthfulness and high character of Bismil made him consider Bismil as his role model and elder brother, much more dearer than his own family.
The great hero however had a very disappointing end. He was eventually captured by British because a Pathan befriended him in name of same ideology, and then informed police out of greed.
Today most Muslim organizations and leaders shy away from taking even his name. Zakir Naik will never praise Ashfaq for his sacrifice and patriotism. On contrary these perverts would believe that he might deserve Hell for doing the Shirk of writing poems on having soil of motherland even in grave, or being more closer to Arya Samaj than the mosque.
These fake leaders and representatives of Islam are acting like the treacherous Pathans for the Ashfaqs among the Muslim population. And thus Ashfaquallah Khan – one of the greatest patriots ever born in this country – is a forgotten name.
We wish that instead of terrorists like Joker Naik, such great legends like Ashfaq become the role models for Muslim youth. Agniveer is committed to revive the era of Ashfaq and Bismil and work among our Muslim brothers and sisters to nurture many more Ashfaqs that not only make Muslim community but entire humanity proud. And also expose the frauds who want to cheat Ashfaqs of today for their petty greed.
For Agniveer, such jewels like Ashfaq are true Hindus and true Muslims who exemplify by noble deeds. We don’t care about theological beliefs on unknown.
Our humblest salute to the legacy of legendary Ashfaq – a true Arya.
Vande Mataram!
Some great thoughts of Ashfaq:
कुछ आरजू नहीं है, है आरजू तो यह
रख दे कोई ज़रा सी खाके वतन कफ़न में|
ए पुख्तकार उल्फत हुसियार, डिग ना जाना,
मराज आशकां है इस दार और रसन में|
मौत और ज़िन्दगी है दुनिया का सब तमाशा,
फरमान कृष्ण का था, अर्जुन को बीच रन में|
– Ashfaq considered Krishna as his role model.
– Is this the reason why Ashfaq is not highlighted by representatives of Islam like Zakir Naik?
न कोई इंग्लिश है न कोई जर्मन,
न  कोई रशियन है न कोई तुर्की|
मिटाने वाले हैं अपने हिंदी,
जो आज हमको मिटा रहे हैं||
– Again it is evident that Ashfaq considered English, Turks etc as foreigners and wanted to live, die and complain only for natives of the motherland.
बुजदिलो को ही सदा मौत से डरते देखा,
गो कि सौ बार उन्हें रोज़ ही मरते देखा|
मौत से वीर को हमने नहीं डरते देखा,
मौत को एक बार जब आना है तो डरना क्या है,
हम सदा खेल ही समझा किये, मरना क्या है|
वतन हमेशा रहे शादकाम और आज़ाद,
हमारा क्या है, अगर हम रहे, रहे न रहे||
– What could depict greater love for beloved motherland! Hats off to the great poet cum patriot! May my motherland give birth to many such Ashfaqs.
For more details, refer:
1. Autobiography of Bismil
2. Biography of Ashfaqullah Khan
3. Google Book
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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Sanjeev Newar is an eminent data scientist, entrepreneur, best-selling author, and speaker with expertise in Vedas and Sanskrit. He is an alumnus of IIT Guwahati and IIM Calcutta. He quit the corporate world to work for social inclusion and the protection of the vulnerable. For his work on Dalit inclusion and empowerment, he received the Neelkantha Award in 2019. He founded the Sewa Nyaya Utthan Foundation to make quality education accessible to vulnerable groups and marginalised communities.

341 COMMENTS

      • @Anyone
        you forgot your homework … http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/
        first clarify your stand on these 10 points and then we can have a discussion that will take the ‘slam’ out of the brand of Islam you follow
        right now you are following I – SLAM …post your response to the 10 points and you’d stop slammming and spamming
        I’ll personally see to it that that your sanity is regained 🙂

      • @Anyone
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        A God sitting somewhere preparing the tandoor and arranging houris & pearly bottom boys for his devout fans on the Judment Night ..is a semi-literate far fetched thought.
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      • ‘A God sitting somewhere preparing the tandoor and arranging houris & pearly bottom boys for his devout fans on the Judment Night ..is a semi-literate far fetched thought.’
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      • @ Indian Agnostic, @ roger:
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        It means that you are preparing it by your own… Lolz…!!!
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      • @Anyone
        If fakruddin didn’t have his lavish fruit stall in my market ..i won’t get the Apples and Oranges from Allah 🙂
        May be you are lucky to locate Allah’s fruit stall from where you get your apples and oranges 😉
        Jokes apart ..on a serious note …ever wondered that “inside the seed is the tree that gives fruits inside of which you find the seed”
        that’s how nature works ..Allah mian sitting on the Throne 1000 man years away cannot handle this complexity sir 🙂

      • @True Indian
        you ask : “If justice is instant, why the need for re-birth.”
        you got confused between karma, free will, rebirth and justice…and hence this illogical question.
        If a man steals and is caught and subsequently punished by a judge..do you mean to say that he should not be born again?
        apples and oranges !

      • This is one article that makes us proud. When we see great people like Ashfaq and Bismil, we are feel relieved that there were good muslims in this world who truly worshipped Allah through the real revelation, Vedas.
        Lets hope to witness our muslim youth follow the footsteps of these great personalities.
        @Anyone……….this place is not for terrorists like you………………so go back to your pathetic dreams of 72 virgins and little boys (incase ur gay) in heaven.

      • I agree with you Vik.
        Islams don’t even try to understand what the fact is.The just know one thing that is only violence.
        For spreading their empire they killed many, converted many to Islams.But unfortunately the
        converted Islams think themselves Islam where they just are sermonized and hipnotized.
        They are in such hipnotized state such that if in case any one awakens him and says “Look dear
        your forefathers were Hindus only and have been converted to be Islams by hook,crook and threatenings” then they won’t look back to the real history rather they will start cry at you and
        to try to punish you.They would behave in this way beacuse they are hipnotized by mullas from generation to generation.Unfortunately I lost my own people and I feel more unfortunate that they are
        still keep on missing from me. My owns assume me else one .. and the selfishes won
        upon many of my own who are seldom expected to raise from their sleep.

      • @ anyone
        All the judgment happen in this world
        Allah Gave us judgment bec people should not involve in sins but people misunderstood n hurt other feels…they thought they are on right path but if u have done sin then u have to pay here only not on the day of judgment day…….
        Ashfaq ulla khan is the great Warrior who gave sacrifice for man kind…..but ur kind of people talk never work for mankind , justice , peace, truth, what ever v do u have to pay here only…….v Salute Ashfaq Ulla khan sacrifice …

      • @Anyone : what a naive Article, friend one who has written this either very poor in English or i dont know what
        Quran [28:56]
        “Verily! You (O Muhammad SAW) guide not whom you like, but Allah guides who wills. And He knows best those who are the guided.”
        “but Allah guides who wills”
        this part of the translation is first of all grammatically incorrect and even then if considered correct has Allah as the subject and in essence means “Allah who wills” so is total grammatical disaster and does not convey any sane meaning, anyways as if Quran is not less convoluted already
        And for any language the subject of the sentence has to be in agreement with all other grammatical components.
        The yusuf ali translation is
        It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.
        Giving your own created translation and then explaining based on that is just the sign of your and the article owner being a looser.
        besides that also.
        Quran itself say in the first verse itself that this book is not to be doubted so there is NO FREE WILL. so the question of someone willing to ask for guidance does not arise.
        So ask your blogger frnd not to give his own translations in public or the madrasa people will have his hand chopped for insulting the word of god 🙂
        Even then if Quran as you say accepts Karma then answer this
        A question to you If Allah give life without regard to any previous grudge the why does he not create everyone one equal (y is there so much disparity in the world some are poor some are rich, some are born without limbs some are outrageously beautiful) and then why does he have to check for the deeds at qayamat? if he does not care for deeds while giving life, then why to do so at qayamat for eternal hell or eternal bliss, is he plain naive or just sadistic ?

      • @Anyone : Even then let me help your claim it should have been “Allah guides those Who Will to be guided”

      • @ आर्यव्रतस्थ:
        First come with a will to Allah for guidance and then see..if you are guided by HIM or not…
        Let’s do a practical test first…OK 🙂 ,else let’s meet at the Day of judgement… 🙂

      • @Anyone : You did not answer my question friend, why don’t you try answering that and then we will think about the practical test and the judgment day .

      • Good “practical” joke. Like the tomorrow never comes (always gets postponed by a day), this judgment joke. he he he…

      • Karma is happening everywhere in the universe , in every atom . Karma is happening in the body , in every cell . It does not matter whether you believe in karma , it is present.

      • Try to look back to the History. You can ensure that you were also Hindu and has been converted to Islams. You can realize why mullas are sermonizing you(Just for spreading the empire). You are hipnotized. I think no one can awake you from the ever sleeping stage. If any hipnotized person is awakened normally he may be craying or become crazzy. Just similar way you also would behave. If you look back the history you will hate yourself because you are apreciating the killers of your forefathers.If you still won’t be able to understand anything then you must be a terrorist who neither belongs to Islams nor to humanity only just a selfish killer.

    • HE IS ONE OF MY IDOLS. SUCH A MODEST PERSON. LESSER ACHIEVEMENTS BUT THE PATRIOTIC FIRE WAS EXCEPTIONAL. NO WONDER HE IS UNDERRATED AND NOT POPULAR AMONG THE MASSES. AN EXAMPLE OF TRUE FRIEND AS WELL. AND LOOK AT THE CONVICTION HE HAD IN GOD. HIS FINAL WORDS WERE NOT SOMETHING LIKE MAY GOD GIVE ME JUSTICE BUT GOD WILL DO JUSTICE.

  2. great article,,…. our history is full of Heroes ,,, We need to follow their Footprints.. Keep en lighting.. U r surely creating difference somewhr…. God Bless U…

  5. Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil, a member of the Arya Samaj, was eager to explain the greatness of the Hindu religion to those belonging to other religions, though he never bore any prejudice against any religious community, and so, Ashfaq who was a devout Muslim befriended him, and they both had the common objective of a free, united India. They died on the same day, as martyrs for India, but in different jails.

    • Any single individual good virtues don’t make a group good, especially if the group’s idealogical foundation is based hatred.
      A good and virtuous Prahlaada born to Hiranyakashyap, didn’t legitimise the demons (asuras) clan a representing dark forces. Demons are demons (anti-light forces).
      Due to karmic repercussions, Ashfaq would have been born into that family, but we should also not judge an individual by his group’s identity. All I can say is a wise person, who heeded the advice of Ram Prasad. His deeds are a shuddi for him. But no legitimization for a demonic cult.

  9. man dhadak kahani…… no proof, none of us have heard of this person…… one should learn from this site how to make stories, how to make false allegations, how to make truth a falsehood and falsehood to truth. No need to see movies, if one has to know what fictitious stories are…… be here.

    • @ Person
      Yes, you are right that none of you and yours know about Ashfaqulla Khan, since you have skipped that chapter in the history at secondary school level or were absent on that day when the chapter was taught or you have not gone to school at all. Now you know about him from this website. Following are the references, it seems that you are not even going through the articles thoroughly and just writing no proof.
      Go once again through this article carefully, you will find the proof of the references.
      Hope without careful ride you will not comment here hastily.
      Dhanyawaad

    • Person
      You have not heard of this person because his life was not the part of Madarsa curriculum. And the reason is simple! Your community is known for producing killers, looters, invaders, rapists, pedophile, homosexuals, traitors and terrorists and not patriots like Ashfaq. Thanks for giving us inside story of Madarsaas and confirming that Madarsaas are indeed the factories of terrorism from which, expecting any patriot is utter foolishness!
      All such traitors like this “Person” should be beaten publicly and kicked out of our country for insulting our great hero Ashfaq.

    • Agni,
      really nice and full with Truth and heart knocking which many of us has forgotten our freedom fighters.
      freedom fightsre has no cast no religion they just bourn for special cause as a son of soil.

  12. I salute all freedom fighters whatever religion or faith or race they have but i wonder you people are praising Ashfaqullah Khan for his patriotism and his self beyond religion & race but u all are commenting on muslims like muslims are not equal to you. How he cud say “hey raam” as he used to call him “Bismil”I he has eaten in same plate with Bismil that is not a wonder as we don’t have taht kind of prejudice as u hindus have. If Ashfaqullah khan can read ur comments , can know muslims’ collateral murders in india, miseries of kashmiries he would have never say that Hindu country be better than british India—– thats why we made our own country—-ur ultimate defeat—–u cheap liars.

    • @Umera Khan
      probably you are from pakistan..anyways.
      Kashmir is the bloodiest face of Islam. Lakhs of hindu pandits were driven away from the valley in the name of establishing Nizam-e-Mustafa by their misguided muslim brothers !!..Benazir Bhutto was the culprit who brought religion into the picture ..and as destiny would have it..she had her head blown off (that thought of dividing kashmirisin the name of Islam ) by talibani pakis !
      what goies around comes around !
      Kashmir was the best example of hindu muslim unity..no longer do you see the wazwan that epitomized hindu muslim festivals.
      anyways ..yours is a failed state with drone hovering over your head and mulaahs ready with boms to blow off your schools and acid to throw on women’s faces and guns to pick up underage girls as brides..thanks a lot for having drifted away from us
      And don;t you mess with an Indian’s priority ..i am well find fault in Islam ..but if you touch an Indian Muslim i will see to it that the drones take care of your karachi dadba
      buzz off you loser paki

    • @Umera Khan
      You wrote- “he has eaten in same plate with Bismil that is not a wonder as we don’t have taht kind of prejudice as u hindus have”
      Bismil was a Hindu by the way, who ate in the same plate with a Muslim!
      Get out of the false and hateful stories which you mug up from your childhood about Hindus. You are no different than us. We have same blood, your ancestors were hindus and not Arabs. Muhammad Bin Qasim was not a hero as mentioned in your books, in fact he invaded, looted, raped, and killed your ancestors to establish islam. You are descendant of Ram and Krishna and not of any Muhammad or Qasim. Listen to Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy, Hassan Nisar, Najam Sethi, K. K. Ajeez and many such intellectuals and not to the likes of Hameed Gul and Zaid Hamid!

    • Umera Khan we know how pakistan love muslims how you are treating Shias, Mohajirs, Baloch and Sufis daily a shia or sufi shrine suffers from bomb blast. All the major world intelligence agencies have predicted that pakistan is finished and will go to civil war and pakistan will go to chaos.

    • umeera khan ji there were 40 % hindus in kashmir in 1947 and there are only 2744 hindus, most of them have been forced to leave kashmir, is that what u want to mention abt kashmir

    • umeera khan ji there were 40 % hindus in kashmir in 1947 and there are only 2744 hindus, most of them have been forced to leave kashmir, is that what u want to mention abt kashmir
      i said that bcoz i am myself an hindu kashmiri

      • So wht wrong wid if he was a sikh…
        so u wanna hear only tht its was only hindu who die against muslims and no other religion is gud (a typical muslim thinking)..
        everyone in worlds knw tht wht sikhs done to save india and still doing and will be doing..and why was all middle east and central asia attacking and ruling india till 1700’s century
        (between hindu and muslim sikhs will act as a bridge – Guru Gobind Singh on founding of khalsa at anandpur on 30 march 1699)

      • Sikhs have been defenders of the nation from barbaric forces during a most crucial period of history. Had Guru Gobind Singh’s leadership and bravery not been there, Mughal rule could not have been destroyed. That is why Hindus have highest regard for Sikh Gurus and even till today, many Hindu families make one of their children Sikh. So do not play this stupid Hindu vs Sikh game. Whether you call someone Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Buddhist, or whatever, bottomline is that they all represent the same ideology of tolerance, rebirth, compassion and karma phala.
        This does not mean that Muslims are not patriots. Many Muslims have given great sacrifice for country, but they have been condemned or sidelined by Muslim leaders themselves. If this is not true, give name of 10 Muslim martyrs whose name is taken and whose sacrifice is remembered by Zakir naik, Deoband or any major Muslim group in India prominently?

      • If u guys respect sikhs so much den y do u steal der fame. Haqiqat Rai was a sikh but he was deliberately painted as Hindu with some vested interest of glorifying hindu bravery. I am not saying dat Hindus are not brave but y some of u guys do dis distortion. I did not find a single hindu family who made der children sikh…. can u find me one? I dont need 2 play dis hindu vs sikh game… Sikhs r intelligent enough 2 understand wat is wat….
        Give me one instance where Dr. Zakir Naik, Deoband or any other Indian muslim group has condemned Indian muslim freedom fighters…
        Infact Deoband fought against Britishers during Indian freedom struggle so I wud request u not 2 spread lies…….

      • Y can’t u understand da comment completely before coming onto conclusion….. I was just trying 2 correct da person who told dat he was a hindu…..
        I salute every person irrespective of his religion who tries 2 behold truth n humanity…
        Y do u guys always want 2 hate n spread hate…….

      • the question is not whether he was hindu or sikh or parsi but that he was a victim of islamic terrorism.no one is free to practise in an islamic country their own religion but u muslims want religious tolerance 2 b practised in other countries.Why such a double standard?

  14. Good movie I have seen it Range de basanti ——-=—–but brother its also story writing trick ——u dont even know how many ulema was hang to death in devband for fight for freedom…….u fool just got one man info but when all the hindus joind mahama gandhiji in non voilan non voilence it was we muslim who were been killed in name of freedom brother sorry to say but u dont know the right history even indais first fredom fighter was tipu sultan when there were hindu kings who have surrenderd to East india company it was muslim king who fought back even if u have right history there were more then half of muslim people in subhas chandra bose army who attack east indian company which was never informed to us,,,,,,,,,,,psl do ur home work dont just read the change history book of 5th of 6 th standard and anwer like kid.

    • Proud to be an Indian
      So here we are great historian who knows about Muslim patriots more than Ashfaqulla Khan! Ashfaq himself says that he is the first Muslim to be executed for the service of his motherland, and here Mr historian is telling stories. Dont forget, when Hindus were fighting against British Raj, Muslims were concerned more with Khilafat than anything else. And you rightly said, many ulema were killed in Deoband by Britishers, but that looks more of child molestation and pedophilia cases than anything else! Remember, getting killed has no meaning in itself. Any rapist and pedophile after getting death punishment is not remembered as martyr.
      And I could not stop myself from laughing after knowing the fact that there were more than half Muslims in Subhash’s army! OK. give me the name of 10 well known Muslim freedom fighters, who were killed by Britishers in Indian independence movement.

      • molestation n sex abuses…. well i get 2 hear about dese things n dey were n are more related 2 ur swamijis(nityananda etc)
        if u did not hear abt Indian muslim freedom fighters den just google khudai khidmatgar n also qissa khwani bazaar massacre…. dey r just a few n der many more 2 add 2 da list.
        how ungrateful r u guys…. y cant u even spare da people who made our country free n freed people like us 2 save from slavery…
        do read some history leaving aside ur narrow mind…. t.c.

      • Just for info of all (Nityananda point is childish because he is NOT our swami in first place)- Khudai Khidmatgar is considered secessionist and banned by Muslim League/ Pakistan govt and considered anti-Islamic. We have greatest respect for these people, but unfortunately Muslim leaders dont have. Did ever Zakir Naik or any Muslim scholar take their name also? It is Muslim leaders who want to have memories of these people wiped out. We have highest respect for them.

      • Is it?? den y did v c Hindus crowding 2 his place in da past….. u r infact being childish…..
        khudai khidmatgar were against partition n so Muslim league labelled dem pro-indian n anti-islamic… Let me tell u dat Pakistani government does not represent da whole islamic world……
        And Indian n pakistani muslims had great respect for khudai khidmatgar n y do v not find a chapter about dem n der sacrifices in our schools in india….
        if u have so much respect for dese people y cant u atleast place a article of dem in ur site without any dilution….
        I hope if u do decide 2 post an article do write facts instead of distorting it 2 serve ur interests….

      • Irshad,
        My dear brother, didn’t you see hindus condemning him and hounding him for his disgusting deeds. Will you, who consider Muhammad as a role model like us, condemn those verses from quran and hadiths which say that he married his daughter-in-law and had sex with his maid in his wife’s absence??? Do you have the courage to condemn and eventually reject all those ayats of quran which calls for the killing of non-muslims ?? Do you think Muhammad himself would have ever said that ??
        brother, as far as textbooks are concerned, let us not rely on them fully as they have been hijacked by communist perverts like romila thapad and D.N.Jha who are hell-bent on distroying our original history. We get all the garbage in the form of aryan invasion theory, babur as hero etc from them. I think editorial board of Agniveer would indeed put up an article on Khudai Khidmatgar, in line of Ashfaqullah.
        Can you site a single instance where Agniveer has diluted the original content ?
        BTW, am still waiting for you to give 1 single ayat of quran that talks about peace and equality between humans irrespective of being hindu or muslim

      • wen der are no such ayaats itself wich calls for unlawful killings of innocents n marriage with daughter in laws den y shud i reject dem……….
        wen dis site says Quran is distorted dat it self is a dilution since no other source had made ny such statement…

      • Irshad,
        check out what verse 9.5 and 9.29 says.
        Also, go and read quran again where Allah becomes qazi to marry muhammad with his daughter-in-law – Zainab.
        Now since these things are not possible that is why this site says that quran is distorted. Otherwise you tell me, what message would allah want to give to humanity by marrying muhammad with his daughter in law. Moreover, as per some “sahih hadiths”, Allah came up with this revealation after Muhammad saw Zainab during bath.
        Now you tell me brother, would really muhammad done these disgusting deeds ??

      • Mr Amitesh u keep on making statements without proper evidences, y cant u do me a favour by providing those quotes n den explain me how Mohammad (S.A.W.) married his daughter-in-law.

      • Irshad Bhai, here we go:
        As per Quran 33:36-38 : It is not for any believer, man or woman, when God and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in the affair. Whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error. When you said to him whom Allah had blessed and you had favoured, ‘Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allah,’ and you were concealing within yourself what Allah should reveal, fearing other men; and Allah has better right for you to fear him. So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her, then We gave her in marriage to you, so that there should not be any fault in the believers, touching the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished what they would of them; and Allah’s commandment must be performed. There is no fault in the prophet, touching what Allah had ordained for him.”
        The hadith regarding this mariage in heaven :
        Bukhari vol.9 book 93 ch.22 no.517 : Zainab bint Jahsh was married to Mohammed’s adopted son, until Mohammed spoke the Sura that she was to divorce his son and marry Mohammed. Zainab “used to boast before the other wives of the Prophet and used to say, ‘Allah married me (to the Prophet) in the Heavens.’”
        Now see the manifestation of the semi-literacy of those caliphs who compiled the quran. They even portrayed Muhammad defying Allah:
        In Surat An-Nisa Allah clearly says that one can have not more than 4 wives and in Al ahzab he is shown defying the same !
        What can be a bigger insult to this legend than the quran and hadiths itself.

      • Hello Mr. Amitesh,
        Instead of distorting da verses of Quran y cant u just present the correct interpretation. the ayaats wat u hav quoted are as follows:
        [33:36] No believing man or believing woman, if GOD and His messenger issue any command, has any choice regarding that command. Anyone who disobeys GOD and His messenger has gone far astray.
        [33:37] Recall that you said to the one who was blessed by GOD, and blessed by you, “Keep your wife and reverence GOD,” and you hid inside yourself what GOD wished to proclaim. Thus, you feared the people, when you were supposed to fear only GOD. When Zaid was completely through with his wife, we had you marry her, in order to establish the precedent that a man may marry the divorced wife of his adopted son. GOD’s commands shall be done.
        [33:38] The prophet is not committing an error by doing anything that is made lawful by GOD. Such is GOD’s system since the early generations. GOD’s command is a sacred duty.
        “…Nor has He made your adopted sons your (biological) sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. Call them by (the names of) their fathers; that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if you know not their father’s (names, call them) your brothers in faith, or your trustees. But there is no blame on you if you make a mistake therein. (What counts is) the intention of your hearts. And Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an 33:4-5)
        The guardian/child relationship has specific rules under Islamic law, which render the relationship a bit different than what is common adoption practice today. The Islamic term for what is commonly called adoption is kafala, which comes from a word that means “to feed.” In essence, it describes more of a foster-parent relationship. Some of the rules in Islam surrounding this relationship:
        An adopted child retains his or her own biological family name (surname) and does not change his or her name to match that of the adoptive family.
        An adopted child inherits from his or her biological parents, not automatically from the adoptive parents.
        When the child is grown, members of the adoptive family are not considered blood relatives, and are therefore not muhrim to him or her. “Muhrim” refers to a specific legal relationship that regulates marriage and other aspects of life. Essentially, members of the adoptive family would be permissible as possible marriage partners, and rules of modesty exist between the grown child and adoptive family members of the opposite sex.
        If the child is provided with property/wealth from the biological family, adoptive parents are commanded to take care and not intermingle that property/wealth with their own. They serve merely as trustees.
        I think da above statements and explanation clears ur mind without ny further doubt as in Islam if a person adopts a child, he cannot be treated as an equivalent to the biological parent and this person is just a caretaker of that child.
        Hence I dont find ny insult over here unless u show me some distorted one’s……

      • n if communists hav hijacked our educational institutions n its sources den how come v find mention of Laxmibai, Gandhi, Nehru, Bhagat singh, Rajguru etc…. n der is no mention of Indian muslim freedom fighters like Shezada Hyder Ali, Maulvi Syed Aluddin, Seikh Formud, Ghaffar khan(also known as Frontier Gandhi), Mujtaba Husain, Ali Ahmed Siddiqui etc…

  15. OK my friend pls dont stop laughing till u die! and after that insallah we we will laugh at u when u go in hell…………. pls learn my friend from the probelm which u r faceing in life the disturbance in ur life which all beacuse of false msg which u r giveing for islam ……my brother the world know well who got guts …….at least understand teh cocept of islam I know there are few people who may be not got but dont follow them —-u have Quran ur have prophet muhammed (s.a) way for knowlege…….just closed i eyed and think once with ur heart and asked allh for hidayed ………insllah u will get it

  16. pls go through the history the support which mr bose got from muslim to reach germany which was never possiable with muslim support as he have to go through afghanistan……………..and grop was called as azad hind whose head general was a muslim ………….mr asad ahmad

    • Who ever claimed here that Muslims are not patriots? But yes, this is also true that bulk of Muslims have been deliberately kept illiterate and ignorant by design by their ruling elite of Mullahs and fatwa Factory. Thus how can bulk of Muslims be reasonably patriotic when their rulers force them to put religion above nation?
      But yes, great Muslims like Ashfaq, Abdul Hamid, APJ etc are there which every Hindu is also proud of. The pity is that no Muslim ruler (Mullah, Zakir Naik, Imam etc) gives them their due respect. Tell me, who stops Muslim rulers to propagate names of these great people. On contrary, the are considered Kafirs by these fanatic Mullahs. Why Agniveer has an article on Ashfaqullah but no site preaching Islam has an article on him. Why Zakir Naik never ever uttered his name among nationalists? Why he is not remembered? or are there more popular and influential Muslim martyrs than him?
      I am impressed by Agniveer’s honest attempt to differentiate religions from people and put such a great article on Ashfaqullah. I hope Muslims can put a similar article on him as well as Bismil.
      But they will not because they have been kept ‘Jaahil’ by design as per Hassan Nisar’s honest confession. Hasan is most reputed scholar from Pakistan:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNMP-1kmVNc

  18. well if you guys respect this guy who was MUSLIM… then y do I see dis site filled with full of hate for his religion….
    I hope 2 get many replies from u guys….

    • Please note that we have no hatred against either Islam or Muslims. We love them. Refer articles on the site which hail Muhammad as role model and Islam as religion of peace.
      Whatever we have written is against those false preachers who distort Quran and its teachings to suit their agenda of hatred. For example Zakir Naik.
      We are only against false verses of Hadiths and Quran that insult Muhammad and his concept of peace. We are also against all those translations of Quran and Hadiths that are being promoted by Muslim scholars. These translations insult Muhammad and hence we are against these translations.
      We appeal to all Muslim brothers and sisters to stay away from all those Mullahs and scholars who refuse to condemn these false ‘Sahih’ Hadiths and wrong translations of Quran and instead use them to justify their own evil designs by spreading hate against non-Muslims.
      For more on this, please read:
      http://agniveer.com/2415/agniveer-stand/
      http://agniveer.com/2668/born-losers/
      http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/
      http://agniveer.com/3270/foundations-of-islamic-terrorism/
      Anyone who can proclaim that:
      a. All non-Muslims who studied Quran carefully but could not find it convincing, and are good people otherwise will not go to Hell if they do other good deeds.
      b. All Muslims who rejected Quran because it did not appeal to them will not go to hell if they do good deeds otherwise.
      c. One can go to heaven if he remembers Allah but not necessarily Muhammad as Rasul in the Kalama.
      d. One can go to heaven if he remembers Allah but does not believe in going to Kaba.
      e. Having sex with slaves and marrying children is wrong
      f. Women and men have equal rights in becoming supreme ruler and women are NOT half-intelligent than men.
      then we consider him a good Muslim and we can even lay our lives for such persons.
      But if someone or some book or some translation curses non-Muslims to Hell forever then it is our utmost duty to fight such fanatic terrorist forces.
      That is why we respect people like Arya Ashfaq, APJ Abul Kalam, Hassan Nisar, Azim Premji, Abdul Hamid, Parvex Hoodbhoy etc and consider the common traits of their version of Islam as the true Islam.

      • 1. When u urself claimed dat u hail Mohammad(S.A.W.) as a role model den y should v not remember him as the Rasool of Allah
        2. If ex-muslims and non-muslims r so convinced dat Quran is not good enough for them then y can’t dey ignore it wen it says dat dey r going 2 burn in hell fire since dey actually do not believe in it so no question of burning.
        3. What is the problem if a muslim goes 2 Mecca?
        4. Quran was never distorted and will never be distorted and it never said dat women are half intelligent.

      • Namaste Irshaad,
        1. We indeed hail Muhammad as a saintly figure but we simply don’t believe in all those false stories of Prophecy and ride to Allah’s heaven etc etc in the same lines as we don’t believe in all the stories of Muhammad having sex-slaves and concubines and raping innocent women after wars. Now these all are depicted in quran and sahih hadiths and we simply DISAGREE with the denigration of Muhammad in this fashion. At best we believe that since at th time of Muhammad, the social condition of Arabs was far from worse, so he made up these stories to reform those nomadic arabs . However, its disturbing to see even our educated Muslim brothers taking these stories too seriously and considering it as divine wisdom. For details kindly refer – http://agniveer.com/762/muhammad/
        2.Ex- Muslim s and non-Muslims can indeed ignore quran if it all the verses in it that advocate killing & rape of non-muslims are removed, which eventually leads to the making of Islamic heroes like Azmal Qasab and Osama Bin Laden.
        3.There is absolutely no problem in Muslims going to Mecca ! But my counter question is – Why Muslims have problem in letting Non-Muslims go to Mecca if Isla, indeed means Peace and Equality. Afterall we are all God’s children then why this discrimination???
        4. Quran was compiled 20 yrs after the death of Muhamad and has some blatant contradictions and infact if you look at it more closely, Muhammad’s original message of Peace was twisted into message of violence of violence by the so-called shahadas to meet their political ambitions. For details kindly refer – http://agniveer.com/3118/miracle-islam/
        Regarding deficiency of intelligence, kindly refer sahih bukhari. I will give you just a sample –
        Women have a deficiency of intelligence, meaning that their decisions will not be comparable to a man’s. [Bukhari (48:826)]

      • 1. Quran never said dat Mohammad(S.A.W.) had concubines n sex slaves as wat u r claiming….
        2. Excuse me Ajmal Kasab or Laden r not islamic heroes, so how come u make dem one…. n by da way Quran never preaches violence…. its jus a few guys who take quotes out of context n make out a complete different meaning.
        3. I could simply give example from gita where your god krishna asks Arjun to kill Karna who is actually Arjun’s brother. If a person who who does not know about mahabharat reads dis will only get a impression dat Krishna is evil as he is asking a person to kill his own brother….. I hope dat da next time u copy paste something u will verify da whole context….
        4. If non-muslims do not believe in Quran den y wud someone in der full mind wud like 2 go over to mecca….. I dont think its a tourist hot spot n is rather a religious hot spot…. I wud definitely not like to go to kashi vishwanath temple or tirumala venkateshwara temple even if dey allow me wich dey obviously will not allow…

      • irshad,
        1. your knowledge of islam is very bleak. go to any of your aalim and ask him about maria and rehana ! Brother irshad, if any text claims that your father slept with your maid in your mother’s absence and wen your mother objected he threatened her with the wrath of allah if she protested. Whom will you reject – your father or that text which claims so ?? Choice is yours ! pls don’t take it otherwise , i gave this example ONLY BECAUSE i want you to empathise with the situation.
        2. irshad can you give me a single verse from the quran which talks about PEACE and EQUALITY b/w muslims and non-muslims ??? just one ayat !!
        3. krishan told arjun to kill karn because he was on the path of adharm, NOT BECAUSE KARN DIDN’T SUBSCRIBED TO A PARTICULAR FAITH !
        4. here your islamic mentality is finally exposed !! if quran is for entire mankind then why restrict non-muslims from visiting it ???
        now this is where islam differs from humanity .. you as a muslim don’t want to visit kashi vishwanath, because the faith that you have subscribe to doesn’t allow you to join the other gang! ( now this is as per islam, coz’ it divides humanity into two categories – muslims and kafirs). but, vedas say otherwise – vasudhaiv kutumbakam – one world, one family. and this, as per any rational mind, is coherent with the concept of God, considering we all are his creation ! what say ?

      • 1. I guess u hav not done ur homework before making a statement Hazrat Maria n Hazrat Rehana were wives of Prophet Mohammad(S.A.W.)…. n wat do u mean by dis text n maid…. I hope u find a good example instead of asking others 2 emphasize…
        2. da below r a few quotes from Holy Quran:
        “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous – Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men – for God loves those who do good.” Chapter 3, Verses 133-134
        If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. [8:61]
        “Repel (evil) with what is better. Then will he, between whom and thee was hatred, become as it were thy friend and intimate. And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint.” Chapter 41, Verse 34 and 35
        “There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.”. [2:256]
        dese above quotes r jus a few of many quotes wich speaks about human compassion,peace, equality etc
        3. I very well know wat Krishna had said…. but i jus wanted 2 know wat if some one who does not know mahabharat reads dis quote where Krishna asks Arjun to kill Karna.
        4. well I pity u… u r contradicting urself…. u initially said dat Holy Quran is not da word of god as it has been distorted so cannot b believed by you and non-muslims den y do u guys want 2 visit a place wich Holy Quran asks muslims 2 visit n dis is da statement from holy Quran wich u actually dont believe…. Do u have nything 2 say abt it???
        “O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous.” Chapter 49, Verse 13
        dis above quote say dat all humans r creation of Allah Almighty….

      • Mere Pyaare bhai Irshad,
        1. Can you give me ayaats of quran which proves that rehana and maria were muhammad’s wife !
        2. I had said earlier that your knowledge of Islam is very bleak and with this very comment you have proved my point. Seems like you don’t know about Mansūkh and Nāsikh ayaats or you are deliberately avoiding to run away from further embarrasment.
        All the Ayaats that you have been given are CANCELLED Ayaats :
        a. verse 8.61 has been cancelled by Verse 9.5 and 9.29
        b. verse 41.34-35 has again been cancelled by Verse 9.5
        c. Verse 2.256 has been cancelled by Verse 9.5 again
        And this is what these verses say –
        Quran 9:5 – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
        Quran 9.29 – Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
        In summary, my challenge remains open. Cite me one Ayat from Quran whic talks about peace compassion b/w humans irrespective of being muslim or non-muslim. Look what kind of ‘Word of God” is this that you don’t even have any ayaat which talks about peace and compassion b/w his creation !

      • Mere Bade bhai Amitesh,
        1. Y can’t u show me da proof in Quran wich proves dat Mohammad(S.A.W.) had Hazrat Rehana and Hazrat Maria as his sex slaves.
        2. I very well know what nasikh-mansukh aayats mean but I doubt ur knowledge abt it. Firstly I wud ask u get to know wat nasikh and mansukh aayats means.
        3. Am I sitting in some kind of a algebra or science class where minus of minus is plus or vice versa. What is dis cancellation theory boss.
        4. Verse no. 2.256 and 9.5 were used at two different instances, so i wud request u understand da context before quoting or using dis negation theory.
        5. I already given u da verses in my previous comment wich asks muslims 2 live in peace n self restraint.
        6. And if u want 2 quote quranic verses out of context den even I can also quote verses from ur vedas, gita etc where it preaches its followers 2 kills others.

      • Irshad ,
        1. 1st you said that rehana and maria were muhammad’s wife. when I asked for the proof, which you don’t have, you are counter-questioning me to prove that maria and rehana were muhammad’s slave! Good.
        Brother, forget about the proof, instead you tell me, how were they actually related to muhammad if they were not muhammad’s wife as per quran and hadiths as Muhammad had a son named Ibrahim with Maria !
        2. Instead I would ask you to explain me why did you quoted Abrogated ayats when quran 2.106 clearly says that allah come up with a better ayat.
        3. cancelletion theory is nothing but the brainchild of some semi-literates who 1400 yrs ago, who for their political ambitions, degraded the legacy of muhammad. BTW, your curiosity is completely valid, as why would Allah cancel his own words ?
        4. you enlighten us with the right context..that wud be much more beneficial
        5. I gave you those verses which cancel the ones you gave
        6. show me a single instance whre i have quoted ayats out of context!

      • Buddy
        It was u who started making claims of Rehana (R.A.) and Maria (R.A.) being Mohammad’s (S.A.W.) sex slaves so u need 2 prove dis accusation instead of counter-questioning me……
        When I already said dat Maria (R.A.) was Mohammad’s(S.A.W.) wife den again u make a statement dat I said dat dey wer not husband and wife. Just get a grip of what u r saying. u look confused….
        Its u who had been distorting aayats and not me who’s quoting abrogated aayats.
        I think cancellation theory is something brought up by chicken headed people to malign other religions in today’s world……….
        U giv me da aayat n I will explain u da context as simple as that…….

      • Irshad ,
        I asked you to to give me ayats from quran which say that rehana and maria were muhammad’s wife. This proves my point. But let me enlist some sample for you:
        Tabari IX:137 – Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty.
        Tabari VIII:117 – Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself… the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.
        So much so that even maria started doubting muhammad’s intention –
        Bukhari :Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311:
        Narrated Aisha:
        I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Apostle and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).’ (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.”
        You said – I think cancellation theory is something brought up by chicken headed people to malign other religions in today’s world…
        Quran 2.106 says – Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
        Now brother Irshad, you decide who is the chicken head here… me or …….

      • These below r actual quotes from da Al-Tabari so I hope u got wat u wer asking for.
        1. Mohammad married Asma bint al-Mu’man bin al-Aswad bin Sharahil. However, she had leprosy, so Mohammad gave her money and divorced her. (Al-Tabari vol.9 p.137)
        2. Dihyah did not get Safiyyah as a captive, so Mohammad gave her Safiyyah’s two cousins instead. (Al-Tabari vol.8 p.117)
        dese statements below tells dat Hazrat Rehana n Hazrat Maria wer wives of Mohammad (S.A.W.)
        1. According to Ibn-i-S’ad, Hazrat Rehana was married to the Holy Prophet Mohammad S.A.W. in Moharram,6 A.H. (Tabaqat)
        2. Maria al-Qibtiyya (may Allah be pleased with her) married the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and certainly everyone gave her the same title of respect as the Prophet’s wives, ‘Umm al Muminin’ ‘Mother of the Believers’. (Tabaqat Ibn Kathir)
        u wer quick 2 quote me from sahih bukhari but u did not mention quote which was explained by Aisha (R.A.) in Volume 6, Book 60, number 312
        1. Sahih-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311 :
        Narrated by Aisha
        I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Apostle and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).’ (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.”
        2. Sahih-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 312 :
        Narrated by Muadha
        ‘Aisha said, “Allah’s Apostle used to take the permission of that wife with whom he was supposed to stay overnight if he wanted to go to one other than her, after this Verse was revealed:– “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives) and you may receive any (of them) whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily). (33.51) I asked Aisha, “What did you use to say (in this case)?” She said, “I used to say to him, “If I could deny you the permission (to go to your other wives) I would not allow your favor to be bestowed on any other person.”
        Below is wat holy Quran says about abrogation:
        Holy Quran 2.106
        (Though they would exploit the abrogation of some rules of secondary degree to challenge your authority, the truth is that) We do not abrogate any verse or omit it (leaving it to be forgotten) but We bring one better than it or the like of it (more suited to the time and conditions in the course of perfecting the Religion and completing Our favor upon you). Do you not know (and surely you do know) that God has full power over everything?
        I did not find ny abrogation of verses mentioned over here so I am sure u r able 2 make out who is chicken headed over here…….

      • Irshad, I told you at the very onset, that this is not the forum to do taqiya, my dear.
        This is what al tabari actually says:
        Tabari IX:137: Mariyah, a Copt slave, was presented to the Prophet. She was given to him by Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria.”
        Tabari IX:138 :The Prophet married Aliyyah, a Bakr woman. He gave her gifts for divorce and left her. He also married Qutaylah, but he died before he could consummate the marriage.”
        Even if I take your version, it says that Muhammad divorces Asms becoz’ she had leprocy !!! Interesting trait of allah’s messenger !
        You said – Dihyah did not get Safiyyah as a captive, so Mohammad gave her Safiyyah’s two cousins instead. (Al-Tabari vol.8 p.117)
        This clearly proves that muhammad traded safiyaa for her two cousins. Again an interesting trait of allah’s messenger. In your frenzy to paste the content, you didn’t verify to see the contents… Kindly do so in future
        Further, don’t quote weak hadiths like Tabaqat Ibn Kathir to prove that muhammad had married reyhana nad maria. They are not considered authentic even by muslims.
        Finally, look at what quran 2.106, that you have pasted says- “We bring one better than it or the like of it (more suited to the time and conditions in the course of perfecting the Religion and completing Our favor upon you)”
        Now, still if you consider the “less suited verses” instead of the “more suited” as ordained by Allah, then why do you have problems accepting other Ilhami books like injeel and taurat as authentic???? why do you say that it is corrupted??

      • Buddy Amitesh,
        I wud advice u 2 actually understand wat takhiya means before using dis term.
        now ur lies hav come straight on ur face……… u keep contradicting urself n try 2 prove others wrong but in actual it is u who is wrong…..
        u in ur previous post stated a quote from Tabari ix 137 as follows
        Tabari IX:137 – Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty.
        and den again u contradict urself by using da same quote with a different content in later post wich is as follows
        Tabari IX:137: Mariyah, a Copt slave, was presented to the Prophet. She was given to him by Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria.”
        LOL now dis is funny. I previously told n I am still requesting u 2 get ur act together n take a stand on wat u say instead of just jus copy pasting…………
        Dis is wat da Al-Tabari actually says:
        Khawla / Khawlah Mohammed married Sharaf bint Khalifah, sister of Dihyah bin Lhalifah al-Kalbi, but she died while Mohammed was still alive. Al-Tabari vol.9 p.138
        well da interesting trait is dat it was Asmaa bint al-Nu’man ibn al-Aswad bin Shahril who sought divorce from Mohammad(S.A.W.) as she told dat she will not b able 2 do justice 2 da relationship n not da other way round.
        No where does da quote Al-Tabari vol.8 p.117 tells dat Mohammad traded Saffiyah with her cousins.
        hence in a frenzy of trying 2 prove me wrong u actually did not read da sentence properly so I wud like 2 take dis opportunity 2 remind u take a careful look into da quotes….
        Well u keep on quoting distorted statements from different hadiths n preach me about hadiths n der authenticity.
        Well Muslims do believe in the revealed books of Allah but da muslims also believe dat dey wer corrupted later by humans for der own gains.The Quran says that the current Torah, Psalms and Gospel (the New Testament) have been badly corrupted. Numerous passages of the Quran refer to man’s distortion and alterations of the previous books of revelations from Allah. A few of dem r quoted below:
        There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Quran 3:78)
        And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! (Quran 3:187)

  19. Irshaad
    Salaam
    This is turth brother.99% of Muslims have detiriorated Muhammad(PBUH) and Allah.
    I read Vedas and first page of Quran which convey same meaning.
    Agniveer is right to great extent.We need to teach our Muslism Brothers too.The way Hindusim has got corrupted in same way ISLAM has.
    Bismillah rehman e rahim

    • Walaikum salam brother,
      It is true dat muslims today are misinterpreting da Quran n hadiths but Allah S.W.T. promised that he is going 2 protect da quran…. so der is no question of distortion in Quran…. It is our mistakes n not da distortion of quran n hadiths wich is defaming Islam…

  20. Dear Brothers,
    Please go through this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfaqulla_Khan
    Ashfaqullah Khan was detained in the Faizabad jail. A case was filed against Ashfaqullah. His brother Riyasatullah was his counsel who fought the case till the very end. While in jail, Ashfaqullah recited the Quran. The case for the Kakori dacoity was concluded by awarding death sentence to Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil, Ashfaqulla Khan, Rajendra Lahiri and Thankur Roshan Singh. The others were given life sentences.
    By an eyewitness account, on a Wednesday, four days before he was hanged, two English officers looked into the cell where Ashfaqulla Khan was lodged. He was in the middle of his namaz. ““I’d like to see how much of that faith remains in him when we hang the rat,” quipped one of them.
    On Monday, 19 December 1927, Ashfaqullah Khan is known to have taken two steps at a time, as he walked up to the post. When his chains were released, he reached for the rope and kissed it. “My hands are not soiled with the murder of man. The charge against me is false. God will give me justice. la ilahi il allah, mohammed ur rasool allah.” The noose came around his neck and the movement lost one of its shining stars.
    Let you decide if he is Muslim or not. If he is follower of Arya Samaj then Wikepedia is wrong.
    Abdullah

    • Abdullah
      Wikipedia can be wrong as its pages can be written and or edited by anyone. As we said repeatedly in this site, Agniveer team is not against muslims, we love our muslim brothers and sisters, but we only condemn islam and Quran since it lead all of you astray. Now, we will be doing our best to bring you back to the real religion of your ancestors, remember, you were all converted forcibly or under stress for jiza tax by the Moghals. Now, the same evil has taken the form of Zakir Naik, in converting people to islam by twisting verses of Vedas one way or another, but we wont hold back, we have also pointed out so many errors and contradictions in the Quran. Back then it was the Marathas, that came to the aid to defend our Dharma, today it will be Agniveer which will shatter all the false propaganda of likes like Zakir Naik.

      • buddy if u have proper references in wikipedia for dat particular article wich can b authenticated den da matter written in wikipedia can b right…
        If mughals forced us den how come u b so lucky not 2 b forced…………
        V very well know wat our real religion is…. anyways thanks for da concern…

      • Irshaad ,
        you again come to same old zakir naik argument that if islam was spread by sword then how come only 20% muslims in India!
        Seems like you are averse to facts and deliberately choose to ignore that afghanistan, pakistan and bangladesh have all been forcefully converted to islam. But thanks to warriors like Shivaji, Pratap, Banda Bairagi etc, those mughal perverts were stopped from destroying this beautiful civilization.
        BTW, likes of Vik are lucky because his ancestors chose to fight those perverts instead of the likes of Irshad and Abdullah who chose to switch faiths after seeing their ancestors slaughtered and women raped ! and instead of some introspection are defending those shamelss acts !

      • oh well den u need 2 gel up ur history buddy…. Afghanistan was under Sassanid empire…. even if u take into account pakistan n bangladesh da population percentage of muslims wud b 23%….. wich is by far very less compared to approx. 72% population of hindus wen da whole sub-continent is taken into account… so i dont think ur theory is working over here….
        I guess likes of Abdullah n Irshaad whose ancestors chose da right path n da likes of Vik n Ami whose ancestors wer adamant of der beliefs or disbeliefs whatever…

      • Irshad,
        if you are really keen to explore about your ancestors in afganistan then get some info as to why Hindu-Kush mountains was named so. afterall, you don’t find hindu names and places in the islamic heartlands.
        my dear irshad, as per Justice K.M. Yusuf, retired judge of the Calcutta High Court,who was also Chairman of the West Bengal Minority Commission, muslim population in india is betweeen 25-30%. and the census you see leave all those who live in ghettos daryaganj and bhendi bazaar. not to mention the illegal bangladeshi migrants in WB, assam, maharastra who are hell bent on changing the demography of india.
        BTW, hindu population of pakistan at the time of independence was 17% but today it is less than 1%. where have the 16% gone ???? either slaughtered or forcefully converted like your ancestors.
        hindus are in majority in india because the likes of vik, amitesh fought those sexual perverts and chose to continue with their beliefs of respecting women and equality for all instead of giving them away their women and children and keeping them as sex slaves, considering it as divine wisdom, in the lines of Abdullah and Irshad.

      • Mr Amitesh,
        I guess u do not hav a very good geographical knowledge…. hindu itself is a name given by foreigners. Kush refers to mountain in persian language. Hindus is da name given by Arabs to the residents of Hind.
        Mr K.M. Yusuf is of a view that muslims in india are 20%. So u mean 2 say I hav 2 believe a person who himself is not sure n is making a hypothesis based on a neighbouring country…. now dis is laughable… u mean 2 say dat da census committees do not go ghettos… can i know da reason y??? so u r actually saying 110 million people(muslims) are missing n are not counted…. if dat is da case den dey may not b getting da benefits of wat a indian citizen gets since dey r not registered.
        You didn’t mention da illegal immigrants from pakistan n Nepal….
        So according to da likes of Vik n Ami’s ancestors respecting women means Devadasi system, Dowry system, Sati, little girls married away to old men, Brahmins abusing, Dalit slavery etc… oh wow if dis is respect n equality den I am happy dat my ancestors wer unlike Vik n Ami’s ancestors.

      • Mr. Irshad,
        Your taqiyas are finally exposed here!
        Kush in sanskrit means mountain and in Persian it is derived from the verb ‘Kushtan’ which means to kill, to destroy etc !
        I agree that people living in htis part of the globe were refereed to as hindu since the Sanskrit sound of “S” converts to “H” in the Parsee language, the Muslims pronounced Sindhu as “hindu,” even though at the time the people of the area did not use the name “hindu” themselves. This word was used by the illiterate muslim ghazis to identify the people and the religion of those who lived in that area.
        BTW, there is no mention of the word “Quran” in the quran itself. So, is the case with the kalama !
        Go and read that post again, and read what K.M. Yusuf says.Your logic of getting the benefits is hilarious ! Do they get the free health services after showing their election I-card ???
        sati, devadasi and dowry are nowhere mentioned in the vedas. The hindu women resorted to sati to save themselves from your ghazi heroes who raped them and kept them as sex-slaves after slaughtering their husbands, all in the name of Islam. Further, wen it became a social evil, hindus had the courage to reject it instead of justifying it as a divine order unlike the muslims who still refuse to reform and consider marrying 6 year old girl, or keeping sex-slaves or marrying own daughter-in-laws as divine ordinance !
        BTW, am still waiting for your reply on the case of having sex with one’s maid in wife’s absence, as is mentioned in quran about muhammad

      • Mr Amitesh Kush is a persian word….
        n by da way wat is da link between Quran n kalama n moreover dey r arabic words…. i retorted u wen u said dat hindu kush was named because of ur religious presence in dat region in dat particular period….
        Dont u know abt ration card wich gives some benefits 2 indian citizens depending on der financial status?? Are u a Indian in first place?? Sorry 2 ask dis but question but u did not me leave me with ny choice… Lol instead of accepting da fact u r desperately trying 2 ignore da facts…
        wat is dis den?? u said der is no such statement about sati in vedas
        Rig Veda X.18.7 “Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium ( to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned.” — [ Rig Veda X.18.7 ]
        der is no ghazi hero mentioned over here….
        n i already mentioned dat der is no such statement buddy… pls check my other comments

      • Irshad,
        1. Since Kush is a persian word, my point stands vindicated that your ancestors were slaughtered by the ghazi army in afghanistan
        2.Brother, copy-pasting from truth of hinduism will take you to further embarrasment : See that mantra of rig veda 10.18.17
        इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
        अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे ||
        Now see the last part of this mantra – रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे
        The word is agre(in the front) AND NOT agne(in the fire). probably the site from where you copy-pasted this didn’t bother to verify it !

      • 1. Buddy ur statement shows how frustrated u r. I think u need 2 use a bit of common sense over here. If my ancestors were slaughtered by ghazi army den how come da descendants of my ancestors come into existence…….
        2. I wud like 2 thank u as I didn’t knew dat der was a site by name truthofhinduism.com. dis site is quite handy.
        3. U’v been casting doubts abt my knowledge on Quran but I am convinced dat u don’t hav da basic knowledge of ur vedas.
        इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
        अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे ||
        dis mantra actually belongs to Rig veda 10.18.7 and not 10.18.17
        A wife who dies in the company of her husband shall remain in heaven as many years as there are hairs on his person. (Garuda Purana 1.107.29)
        A sati who dies on the funeral pyre of her husband enjoys an eternal bliss in heaven [ Daksa Smrti IV.18-19 ] [ Sm.Samu p.30 ] [ 1200, p.65 ]
        Yajnavalkya, the most important law-giver after Manu, states that sati is the only way for a chaste widow [ Apastamba.I.87 ] [ 1200, p.65 ]
        Brahma Purana.80.75 “It is the highest duty of the woman to immolate herself after her husband “, — [ Br.P. 80.75 ] [ Sheth, p.103 ]
        These above are jus a few quotes. I can provide u a barrage of similar type of quotes so dat u don’t run away from truth.

      • @Irshaad : when will Muslims come out of their pathetic self denial and ignorance.
        the mantra from rik veda is here with the translation
        http://aryasamajjamnagar.org/rugveda_v5/rugveda.htm
        (click on the page 52 link in the lower side of the page, and then scroll down to the particular mantra you cited)
        and about your loads of references they are just the same a i would not be happily saying irshaad….. 🙂
        so go home and mug up quran ..and then ask a maulivi for its meaning

      • Hello Mr. Amitesh
        I can say da same thing 2 u… wen will u guys come out of ur denial…….. ur ancestors hav been burning der women alive n justified it with all da vedas, puranas etc n u r here trying 2 deny it since da civilised world was against it…… Lol now u try 2 cover it up……..
        nyways thanks for ur advice as I can c dat u r getting frustrated n u r not able 2 hold urself………
        u guys say dat vedas cannot b changed courtesy http://agniveer.com/2697/why-vedas-cannot-be-changed/
        den how come agre became agne…….. dis was something u said refering 2 dat mantar of rig veda
        do u hav ny explanation?

      • Irshad,
        1. ghazi army never slaughtered women instead kept them as sex-slaves or concubines breeding children from them …so the legacy continues !
        2. Now, I seriously think that quran has taken its toll on a otherwise sane man.
        agre never became agne in vedas. Rather, some idiots deliberately twisted it to suit their interest and confuse gullible minds. Otherwise, ‘agre’ never became ‘agne’ in vedas

      • 1. Oh u hav enlightened me so where is dis ghazi army mentioned in ur vedas wen dese sati burnings wer performed.
        2. I am sorry if I am offending you but I wud like 2 ask u a question……
        “Are you completely in control of ur senses???” da reason I am asking u dis question is…….. u firstly say dat vedas wer never changed n den u contradict urself by saying dat dey wer twisted……..
        So it must either b dat da vedas wer changed or else Sati was promoted and recommended by Vedas……..
        All da way long u either looked confused or distorted da Aayats from quran 2 serve ur purpose…….

      • @Irshad
        1. Vedas are not history books unlike quran which denigrates muhammad by elaborating his sexual sexcapades with his slaves and concubines
        2. I am a bit demoralised as I am seeing my brother Irshad surrendering his intellect to a 1400 yr old nomadic book.
        Vedas were never changed. The idiots started pronouncing agre as agne, and then making their own conclusions. Vedas retain their originality

      • Hello Amitesh,
        1. Holy Quran is not a history book but I wud not comment on Vedas becoz u r actually showing wat dey r upto.
        2. You said Idiots started pronouncing agre as agne. If wat u hav said is true den all da men who had knowledge of vedas wanted 2 burn da women n hence dey kept everyone in dark by pronouncing it in a wrong way. So dis implies dat da likes of Vik’s and Ami’s ancestors whoever wer well versed in vedas burnt der women and kept their women uneducated so dat dey will not b able 2 find out da truth in vedas….
        I am not yet demoralized as Allah S.W.T. gave me enough patience n pertinence to defend da truth. I am sure u will come onto da right path instead of lurking in dark.

      • Irshad,
        1. Instead of giving your ad hominem arguments, why don’t you write something substantial. Quran is indeed a history book (though distorted) which contains life of muhammad. What else is your definition of history if you say that quran is not a history book !
        2.Nobody kept people in dark except those who chose to live that way. BTW, likes of vik and Ami didn’t burn women citing vedas but the women burnt themselves to escape rape and plunder by Islamic ghazis. Some burnt themselves, some fought with them and the rest converted !

      • Bhayya Amitesh,
        I don’t know wat ur definition of history is but my general IQ has a different interpretation of da word HISTORY n dis interpretation is actually accepted by every sane knowledgeable person as da correct meaning of HISTORY. jus go thru dese verses below:
        “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous – Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men – for God loves those who do good.” Chapter 3, Verses 133-134
        If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. [8:61]
        “Repel (evil) with what is better. Then will he, between whom and thee was hatred, become as it were thy friend and intimate. And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint.” Chapter 41, Verse 34 and 35
        “There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.”. [2:256]
        “O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous.” Chapter 49, Verse 13
        well I did not find a single historical event described over here in dese verses wich wer attributed 2 Mohammad’s(S.A.W.) life. Infact dese verses wer generalized to mankind. So how come Quran become a so called “HISTORICAL” book.
        U actually made me giggle for some time…… now u r back from where u started.
        Firstly u told da dat Ghazi heroes wer responsible for Sati n wen I presented u a quote from Rig Veda wich sanctioned Sati u told me dat da mantra was changed from agre to agne. den i reminded u dat u guys n Agniveer believe dat vedas wer never changed. den again u changed ur stance by saying dat dey wer verbally twisted n not in writing. So for dat reason I asked u if all da men who had knowledge of vedas either burnt women or supported it and I also said dat women wer not given education as dey could hav easily made out dat nothing of dat sort 2 b written in Vedas.
        So after goin all thru dis u den again say dat Ghazi heroes wer responsible for Sati thus completing a whole cycle n starting afresh…. Common Amitesh y dont u accept da fact instead of reiterating ad hominen and illogical arguments which r actually baseless…..

      • @Irsaad
        when we imply that the word “agre” was changed to “agne”, we dont mean that word is changed in the entire Vedas as a whole, for example, if Vedas were to be published today, you would still see the original unchanged verses of Vedas. This agre to agne was done as a false interpretation for evil people to fool innocents to make them believe that Vedas sanction Sati. But the reality is there is no such interpolation in the actual Vedas. The actual Vedas only contain and willl forever contain Agre, not Agne. Hope I made myself clear.

  21. Dear brothers,
    I am not a born Muslim, I revert to Islam in 1990. But officially in 1997. My parents and my brother and sister are still Hindus. I am living an independent life. I don’t see anything wrong with Islam, the only thing i find wrong is with misguided Muslims. Otherwise Islam is the best way of life to follow. We cannot blame Islam for the misguided Muslims. Terrorism is nothing to do with religion. It has no religion. Today we came to know that Muslim terrorism, Christian terrorism and Hindu Terrorism.
    Overall Majority of Hindus are following false ways. As Agniveer quoted on this site “He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always.He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)
    Hindus should worship one True GOD.
    Regarding Islam you have many misconceptions, that can be solved only in future when Imam Mehdi (A.S) and Jesus (pbuh) returns to this world. The time is not far for us to unite together. I know you people wont believe in all this, let us wait for the time to come.
    Abdullah.

    • @Abdullah
      Its sad u were a hindu but didnt not know that all hindus really worshipped the same one God throught different forms and symbolisms. But again, I am not defending hinduism here, I am defending Vedic Dharma, which states there is only one true God, and this God has no messengers sent from time to time.
      Why dont u revert to Vedic Dharma which requires no agents or messengers to believe in, its only u and Ishwar, whereas in islam, you have to belive in the messengers which is rediculous?
      I can only pity u that u are awaiting Jesus to come back, I would suggest that you use that same time in finding the truth rather than wating for some Isa or Jesus which is illogical.

    • Abdullah,
      So the 1st casualty that Islam took on your good self was to take you away from your own family. Interesting religion !
      BTW, instead of giving your preposterous notions and dreams can you cite 5 good reasons for which you switched over to Islam, which you couldn’t find in Vedic Dharm.
      Trust me dear, I shall publicly accept islam if you convince me with your reasons
      Blessings

      • Dear Amitesh,
        I found many good things in Islam so i was very much convinced to Islam. Some of the things which convince me..
        1) Neatness before going for Prayer.
        2) Standing in front of GOD in a silent way while in Prayer.
        3) Equality..While in Prayer there is no reservation.. A labour or a Rikshawala can stand next to a rich person or King. This was really astonished to me. That shows all are equal in front of GOD.
        4) Only two Festivals and that too both have reasons. Eid-ul-Fitra (Ramadhan) after completing 30 fasting days. and giving Fitra (money) to poor people on the day of festival so that all poor people also eat a good food that day. Eid-al-adha (Bakrid) giving meat to poor people, who might have not eat for months, and on this day all poor people have their share.
        5)Zakat – giving money to poor and need people from your earnings of one year, which helps poor and needy.
        6) I have given up drinking, smoking bcas of the teachings of Islam.
        7) There is no caste system and all people are equal wherever they live in this world.
        Will these things not enough for me to revert to Islam. And this life has meaning. We are here to prepare for the better life after death, i know you dont believe this.
        Regarding convincing you, it is not my job. Since no one convinced me to accept Islam, through my own analysis and thinking i accept Islam. Read Qur’an with a good heart and also read the biography of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) with good heart then definitely you will know the truth.
        I accept the truth thats why i was forced to stay away from my Parents. But the same thing is with Arya Samaj and the followers of Vedas. You know why? First thing is you need to Hold Vedas strong with heart and in practical. Now go and tell your parents and friends to worship one True GOD and stop worshiping IDOLS.
        Educate them what Agniveer posted on top of this site “He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always. He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)”
        You should do this with serious otherwise your Faith in Eaaswar is fake. You will know the reaction of your parents and friends. Tell them all temples and IDOL worship should be stopped. If you don’t tell them then you are not following Eaaswar with your Heart.
        But I found on this site is you people are following One GOD and at the same time there is no serious reaction against the people who are following many GODs. You should convince them to follow one GOD. If they reject then it is up to them.
        This is what i told my Parents and relatives to follow one GOD, but they rejected. I cannot live with them since they are following Idols and doing a fake worship, but i cannot digest this, since GOD is one and they are doing very big sin. So obviously You will also face similar situation what I am facing now.
        You will do this only if you are Serious in the matter of believing and worshiping one True GOD.
        Hope you understand.
        Abdullah

      • Dear Abdullah,
        Thank you very much Mr. Abdullah that you know our VEDIC DHARMA that it is not fundamentally IDOL WORSHIPPING, do you agree? I think you would now definitely agree with me because you have yourself mentioned below the verse from Veda which says in short, “GOD IS ONLY ONE”
        You know how old Islam is I think historically not older than 1400 years. But you MUST also know that how old Vedas are. Vedas are not OLDER they are every time Fresh and ever existing New. they are seniors to all of religious books because all religions have been derived from VEDAS. VEDAS have no beginning no ending. But we can view from earthly history that are 12 thousand years old but astronomically some of scientists believe that Vedas are 10.8 millions years old.
        So, pls don’t try to educate us to believe in one God. We don’t need to educate our parents and friends that GOD is ONE because we have already known about it since very beginning.
        Muslims always see Hinduism / Sanatana Dharma / Vedic Dharma from only one Angle. Vedic Dharma is Universe upon itself & it has many colors of understanding one Supreme Eshwara or Allah.
        Fist of all I will reply each of your points below and then I would ask you—What is difference between an Idol & nothingness?
        I found many good things in Islam so i was very much convinced to Islam. Some of the things which convince me.
        Jay replies—Now you have forgotten your actual Dharma and your predecessors so, you use the word CONVINCE but in reality it is quite difficult for you to go back because it is now a question of your mullanas and your all Muslim samaj who will curse you and they may kill you if you reverse to original religion. This is the FEAR but not convinced by things.
        1) Neatness before going for Prayer.
        Jay– This is a common term that in every religion a human keeps his body neat and clean before praying to God is not a new thing for Hindus.
        2) Standing in front of GOD in a silent way while in Prayer.
        Jay– Meditation is the finest way to realize our “self “and “God” which has been proved by many scientists.
        3) Equality..While in Prayer there is no reservation.. A labour or a Rikshawala can stand next to a rich person or King. This was really astonished to me. That shows all are equal in front of GOD.
        Jay- I ask you, Can a Muslim woman perform the Nimaz in Mosque together with Muslim Brothers in India or in Pakistan, pls reply. But we Hindus have no objection being in one temple praying God with women, men, boys, girls, children even animals under one roof. Please first you read our Scriptures.
        4) Only two Festivals and that too both have reasons. Eid-ul-Fitra (Ramadhan) after completing 30 fasting days. and giving Fitra (money) to poor people on the day of festival so that all poor people also eat a good food that day. Eid-al-adha (Bakrid) giving meat to poor people, who might have not eat for months, and on this day all poor people have their share.
        Jay—This is Rituals of Religious activities so again it is a common term can be found in many other religions so in Hinduism we have also fasting and Deewali etc festivals and also feeding people throughout year in different temples and ashrams, no matter one is poor or rich, we mean to serve food to human or animal.
        5)Zakat – giving money to poor and need people from your earnings of one year, which helps poor and needy.
        Jay—2 .5% Zakkat out of a muslims’ income a year is again common term is being done in every religion in a different degree like Charity and Daan etc. It is also not new thing for Hindus. But here in Pakistan at the end all big shot people draw back all of money from their account so that Govt should not raise zakaat 2 ½% from their accounts. What type of Muslims you are! I have experience it with many bank managers in Pakistan that they talk like that.
        6) I have given up drinking, smoking bcas of the teachings of Islam.
        Jay—This is again a common term. Not only alcohol and smoking in Vedic Dharam as they both are injurious to health Vedic Dharma condemns all types of injuries like killing someone by blowing bombs in the name of Jihad just to establish their fanatic Religions practices. But we Hindus believe, even an ant should not be killed by our feet. We are so sensitive to health that we have one complete set of Yoga System that is Ashtanga Yago Sutras. Please go and read 8 steps of this Raja Yoga, you will ever find such a brilliant social disciplinary action in any religion.
        7) There is no caste system and all people are equal wherever they live in this world.
        Jay— Only saying in words that Islam does not believe in Caste system. But evidences in daily social lives show that Muslims are segregated themselves as one Caste from the rest of world’s people by their behavior and religious understanding, isn’t it caste system from the core of your Quranic teaching or Islamic Teaching by quoting this line “All Muslims are brothers with one another” But why don’t you quote like “All Human beings are brothers to one another”. This is only Vedas speak like that we all are one Family of Vashudeva including animals too. You have peak hatred within Muslims’ sects, devbandi, bralvi, shia, sunni, wahabi and many other muslims who don’t even workshop in one another’s mosques unlike Hindus, we Hindus never care what prayer place is whether Ram mandir or Krsna Mandir or Shiva Temple, we only mean to pray to Eashwara is the core teaching of Vedic Dharma.
        Rest of points I am replying to you later on in my next page…
        Jai Sri Ram!- Jay Sri Krsna!
        Jay Maheshwary
        From Pakistan.

      • Dear Abdullah,
        Remember Hinduism is a Sampuran Dharma, I mean a PERFECT RELIGION. You know why? It contains both faces of God.
        As it discusses both attributes of God like- (Akaar to Niraakar), (Mayananda to Brahmananda)- (Physical Body to Spiritual Body) (Dveta to Adveta Philosophy)
        Islam does not cover both knowledge properly, neither physical body of God nor Spiritual Body of God. You know why? Mohammed could not give this GYAN to Muslims as he himself did not understand what spirituality is. It is only India alone can understand the levels of Physical body, Astral Body, Causal Body & then cause of all causes that is Swam Eshwara. ADH SHAKTI whom we call, God, Eshwara, Allah and Bhagwan.
        You don’t only watch Hindus making Aarti around an Idol but also try to understand what our literatures and scriptures are saying about Supreme Eshwara to make life very peaceful and disciplinary in daily life. If you live in India then you are very fortunate that get some times and join any true guru, he will show you what actually human, animals, plants, nature and God is.
        Now let us discuss what actually a Muslim does while he prays to Allah. He neither follows Akaar nor Niraakar, a Mulsim neither follows Mayananda nor Brahmananda nor physical body nor Spiritual body, nor Dveta nor Adveta.
        A Muslim is trapped and confused in between Akaar and Niraakar. He is throwing an arrow without any proper station. Mohammed has only taght Muslims to achieve Heaven by making another human a Muslim then you will get place in Janat. A Muslim worships neither physical body nor Allah Spiritually. He wanders in here and hereafter in between these two things only. If Muslims were provided this Ataman Gyan by Mohammed or Quran then Muslims would accept “Cycle of Reincarnation” and today our understand would be identical as with Sikhism, Jainism and Bhudism and we would never have disputes in our general beliefs.
        cont—p/2—-

      • As you said, Hindus believe in Idols. I ask you, what does a Muslim believe while he prays the Nimaz? I have a few of below questions; please answer them if you can.
        Does he only recite Ayats during Nimaz verbally?
        Does he not contemplate any thing during Nimaz?
        if a Muslim conceives something during his Nimaz like image of Kaaba etc, then does he make Shirk?
        if a Muslim contemplates nothing during his Nizma, then does it mean he thinks ALLAH is nothingness or doesn’t he make Allah disappear from his all qualities like inner self to God realization?
        Then what is consciousness running inside of each human body? Don’t Muslims try to understand inner self sparking energy a Self to God Consciousness? If a Muslim wants to understand that Self Realization, What would a Muslim have a process to go through his Spiritual Journey during Nimaz?
        Does a Muslim understand 7 Physcial and 7 Subtle Disc Chakras to be activated. Does your Nimaz cover all of these knowledge.
        If a Hindu worship an idol then how coma a Hindu realize Self and then God Consciousness to have liberation.
        So what process does a Muslim Moulana teach his muslim followers for spirituality?
        If a Muslim only recites Ayats during Nimaz verbally and realizes nothing in his inner-self to God realization, then do you think, all Muslims are doing the act of an atheist?
        Why do all Muslims face to Kaaba, isn’t Kaaba(Kibla) made of stones as building so the action being done by all Muslims towards Kaaba show during their whole of Nimaz seems that all Muslims worship Buildings if a Hindu worship an Idol.
        Does Allah reside only in the direction of Kaaba not elsewhere on this earth? Don’t Muslims think- the Main House of Allah is a HUMAN BODY.
        If Muslims don’t know or never given this knowledge by Mohammed. it does not mean what you don’t know, does not exist in the Universe, it does exist in Vedas as more advance knowledge than your Islam as mentioned in Vedas like reincarnation, Self Realization, Deep Meditation, Yoga Science of Ashtanga Yoga, mantra, tantra, Yantra etc & more about mathematics, astronomy, geometry, linguistic grammar etc, all provided by Islam is full and final knowledge, this is possible that whatever not provided by Muslims is also right that Hindus are more advanced than you are.
        Cont–p/3—

      • Don’t you think that a civilization of an Idol worshipper has such a knowledge that whole new generation of America and Europe has been inspired by Vedic Knowledge just after Swami Vivakanand in 1893 and Swami Paramhana Yogananda in 1920.
        Can you see any non muslims saying chanting the name of Allah in Mecca. No never but you can find a lot of non Hindus at Haridwara by chanting name of Hare Rama Hare Krisna. This shows the free will message from Vedic Dharma no bound towards any terms and condition like Mulsims impose on non muslims all over world.
        If they think, house of Allah is Kaaba, then Kaaba is only a Square Building covered with Black camouflaged cloth and there is no ALLAH actually residing in Kaaba an you can find Ayats mentioned on the walls is like an empty house which can be easily encroached and demolished by any human machine. If it is house of ALLAH then during history, Kaaba has been built and upgraded 6 times by human beings. It means the house of Allah is not natural, this is man made which can easily be altered in future. But we believe House of Eshwar is every corner of Universe in time and space and out of time and space.
        Same logic, all Muslims use while it is a matter of Shirk that Hindus worship Idols which they make by their hands and then Hindus worship.
        I ask you, don’t you give priority more or less to Kaaba as sacred house of Allah as Hindus give importance to Idol worship of Human forms which is much better than building form at least. Even we have generalized Idol worship. We have no objections if we make picture of jour late grand father we can also try to search Eshwara in him. No particular image is required for Hindus to workshop as Muslims limit their Allah.
        If Allah is every where and He is not limited, then why do you choose a particular way of worshiping building of Kaaba. If something like Kaaba building in regard with the house of Allah, it means you are making your ALLAH particular and limited to one square building with a House of Allah.
        conti—p/4…

      • Why do you impose pictures of Kaaba at your homes, why do you paint Ayats as pictures in the Frams displaying at homes and shops? Worshipping does not mean only bow but it means a lot like to regard and respect the every chain related things which you consider it is God fearing. So what if a Hindu respects and refers Idols
        as Eshwar is not a sin as you think a great sin of Shirk but killing people, slaughtering animals for temporary taste of tongue is all Hilal for a Muslim. Wow! Very illogical and irrational way of acceptance of crime in the form of religion- Islam.
        So, Hindus believe in Idols, Snakes, animals and human as a house of Eshwara not to a particular. Because God is not particular, God is unlimited, everlasting, eternal and generalized. That’s why , the core conduct of Hindu Philosophy is very logical and real and free from all wrong identification and wrong ego self.
        Dear Abdullah, now please consider another praying angle of Hinduism- that is DYANA PRACTICES where no idol or image is kept in front of a Devotee or Muni Rishi.
        You may have seen a Rishi on TV or Movie when they sit in austerity for many months or years but they don’t worship any Idol during that time neither they imagine, they remain in process of realizing their “SELF” to GOD consciousness.
        Pranyama is a breathing exercise during Yoga Science through which you can harmonize your body to the level of earth atmosphere to realize what reality is.
        cont—p/5—

      • We have 84 postures of Yoga as meditative asana or postures, out of which, one or two steps Arabs borrowed from Vedic Cultures that asanas are known as Nimaz by Muslims. That is actually a “SURYA NIMASKAAR” & MATA NIMASKAAR where all parts of your body limbs you surrender by touching earth where it embosses a spot on every Muslim’s forehead during long practices of Nimaz is a sign of touching the mother earth during Nimaz. One step you perform during Nimaz is totally replica of
        VIJRASANA which is good for digestive system as per Vedic Dharma. But all Muslims still consider this Nimaz an exercise because they have just copied and borrowed from Vedic Culture but they don’t have Gurus to make them understand what actually the purpose of these Asana. Actually this is a long process to realize your Self and God not only recommended for exercise to keep health good. Yogo is no nice that effects physically, mentally and Spriitually at ultimate result as Samadhi.
        Praying 5 times a Nimaz- each time 15- 20 minutes is not effective process of being spiritual man. This is just a Karamkhandh just to send a request to God by means of Nizma to get luxurious life of JANAT (Heaven) to get rid of Hell.
        Initially Hindus believe Idols by means of practices but at the end, ambition is only ONE PARATAMA.
        Idol is a just temporary SKETCH of one Big mega structure to recognize Maker of this Big structure of Universe that a Spiritual Being in a Physical body.
        He who resides in a physical body as a Divine Nature and True Identification of our Self.
        Whether you realize or not, you are a SOUL, a Spiritual being in a physical body.
        Every Body (IDOL) is a Temple of Soul and the Soul is reflection of God.
        you can understand from above understanding of Vedic Dharma that we have such level understanding of Eshwara or Allah.
        Therefore, what idols we make by our hands are also God, even the hands that we carry with ourselves daily to work out are also God.
        A very small space is also filled with this Spiritual Being that is Eshwara/ Allah/ God.
        Jai Sri Ram!- Jay Sri Krsna!
        Best regards,
        Jay Maheshwary.

      • @Abdullah: You said “You should convince them to follow one GOD. If they reject then it is up to them.”
        Why should YOU take it upon yourself to convince others to seeing YOUR way? Are you a bit insecure and doubtful whether your path may be wrong that you need constant reinforcement/validation from others? As I asked in another thread: Can you prove that ONLY YOUR WAY is right and all other ways are wrong WITHOUT QUOTING THE QURAN? If not, you are AN EPIC FAILURE. If you are so convinced that Islam is the “right” religion, be happy with it yourself. Don’t worry about others. In other words, don’t come into my land and tell me my religion/way of life is wrong, especially when you cannot prove it. You may try to convince me, but once I have heard you and chosen out of my free will (which Allah grants me, I guess) not to follow your path, just leave. If you have been invited as a guest to dinner, and if the pork is overcooked, you would taste it a little and if it is not to your liking you would not eat more. You wouldnt constantly keep reminding the host that they have done a bad job of cooking pork, would you?That is just impolite and you will never be invited back again. Learn some manners and politeness. Try reducing your hatred of anything and everything non-Muslim. First try convincing the apostates of Islam at http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/ . Then, you can go about trying to convince infidels.

      • Brother Abdullah,
        I asked you to enlist 5 points why you converted to Islam and you got me the stuck on the very 1st point.
        Kindly clarify your threshold of cleanliness as per Islam because this is what the hadiths say:
        1. If one has seminal emission, but has to perform prayers, and finds no water, one is supposed to strike ground with hands and then wipe face and palms:
        Sahih Muslim Book 3, Number 0716:
        Abu Musa said to Abdullah: You have not heard the words of ‘Ammar: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent me on an errand and I had a seminal emission, but could find no water, and rolled myself in dust just as a beast rolls itself. I came to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) then and made a mention of that to him and he (the Holy Prophet) said: It would have been enough for you to do this. Then he struck the ground with his hands once and wiped his right hand with the help of his left hand and the exterior of his palms and his face. ‘Abdullah said: Didn’t you see that Umar was not fully satisfied with the words of ‘Ammar only?
        2. It is permissible to eat without washing hand after coming out of lavatory.
        Muslim, Book 3, Number 0725:
        Ibn ‘Abbas reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) came out of the privy, and he was presented with some food, and the people reminded him about ablution, but he said: Am I to say prayer that I should perform ablution ?
        3. Rubbing of hands on the wall after cleaning private parts.
        Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 260:
        Narrated Maimuna: The Prophet took the bath of Janaba (sexual relation or wet dream). He first cleaned his private parts with his hand, and then rubbed it (that hand) on the wall and washed it. Then he performed ablution like that for the prayer, and after the bath he washed his feet

  22. brother Jay Maheshwary,
    May Allah help us from all these misguiding beliefs. Now I understand what you guys belief. You say GOD is one at the same time you worship IDOLs and Nature. Sorry I cannot believe what you guys do. Let you follow your own ways. I thought Agniveer is guiding you to worship one and only GOD, but i am wrong.
    Abdullah

    • @Abdullah You said “Let you follow your own ways.” (sic).
      Hallelujah! Does that mean we can be spared your constant exhortations and threats (ie. quotes from Quran about our impending burning in eternal hell) from here on? Please say yes, please???? Chao then. This should be the last we hear of you here if you REALLY MEAN what you said. If your words have no meaning you will of course come back here and feel the need to reguide us along the “right” path.

  23. Brother KalBhairav,
    The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will. (Qur’an 2:212)
    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
    Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).
    (Qur’an 2:256-257)
    Those who reject Faith,- neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah. They are themselves but fuel for the Fire. (Qur’an 3:10)
    Say to those who reject Faith: “Soon will ye be vanquished and gathered together to Hell,-an evil bed indeed (to lie on)! (Qur’an 3:12)
    . “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.” (Qur’an 3:56)
    If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Qur’an 3:85)
    Those who purchase Unbelief at the price of faith,- not the least harm will they do to Allah, but they will have a grievous punishment.
    Let not the Unbelievers think that our respite to them is good for themselves: We grant them respite that they may grow in their iniquity: But they will have a shameful punishment. (Qur’an 3:177-178)
    But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment. (Qur’an 4:14)
    Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, “Now have I repented indeed;” nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous. (Qur’an 4:18)
    The Holy Qur’an answers better for you.
    Abdullah

    • @Abdullah: LOL. My earlier message stands vindicated. For a moment I thought you might mean what you said – “Let you follow your own ways.” leaving us Kafirs to our own fate and minding your own business in preparation for the 72 virgins. But you had to quote to Quran to “prove” your belief. None of this is going to make any difference to me or most of the other members here. You need to raise the intellectual level of your posts in order to be relevant. Otherwise don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Of course, you may simply change your username and post under a different persona but your lack of depth will be exposed pretty quickly.

  24. Brother KalBhairav,
    The Holy Qur’an clearly confirms you that HELL is permanent abode for the one who Rejects Faith in Islam. Our business is to call people towards true faith. It is up to you guys whether to accept Islam or reject. Yes we are waiting for 72 Virgins in heaven, I hope Allah will give more and better and final abode. But what you are getting by following a way which has no better promise after death. That is the reason 100% Hindus are enjoying this life completely, as they don’t know their fate after death. I think you are also one of them. You are following a dead religion or a way which will lead you to HELL. Only people with intelligence will understand the Ayats of Holy Qur’an.
    Abdullah.

    • Brother Abdullah
      Can you tell me which one of 73 sects of Islam is the true sect? Do you know that probability of your going to heaven and enjoying 72 houris is just 0.0137 (1/73) and going to hell is 0.9863 (72/73)?
      Why dont you come to your original home of Vedas when you are not going to heaven anyway as per Maths and Sahih Hadith?

  25. Brother Vajra,
    As Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said this Ummath will become 73 sects. and only one sect will go to Heaven. I hope i will be one of them. Since Allah forgives all sins except Shirk (associating partner with Allah). So as far to my Faith I am not doing Shirk. So I hope i will be admitted into heaven.
    Regarding following Vedas i cannot follow them, since the final revelation from Allah came in the form of Holy Qur’an, and it clearly educating us what is right and what is wrong. The First thing is we are staying away from Shirk. Allah promising us better and everlasting joyful life after this life which is permanent. Do Vedas promising you a better life than this?
    Abdullah

    • Abdullah,
      1. How come you are so sure that the one you are following is indeed the sect which will go to heaven, when Allah has himself not clarified it anywhere , neither in quran nor in any hadiths. And on top it Allah has already fixed your fate in Lohe Mehfooz !
      2. As per you allah will forgive all sins except shirk => allah will forgive all the rapists and murderers and also the homosexuals ( which you advocate to be killed) if they start reciting the kalma ! Is it so ??
      3. Do you know quran itself does Shirk in al-Asma was-Sifat, wherein allah sits on a throne and has other qualities possessed by humans like getting angry etc
      4. I am waiting for your reply on cleanliness before prayers as per Islam

  26. Amitesh,
    Regarding Shirk Following Ayats of Holy Qur’an will answer you better.
    “Verily God forgives not setting up partners in worship with Him. But He forgives whom He pleases, sins other than that (shirk)” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 4, Verse 116
    “Verily whosoever sets up partners in worship with God, then God Has forbidden paradise for him and the fire will be his abode” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 5, Verse 72
    Verily, Allah forgives not that rivals should be set up in the worship with Him. He forgives save that (anything else) to whom He pleases and whoever set up rivals with Allah he has indeed done a tremendous sin. (Al Nisa:48)
    2) Except Shirk Allah will forgive all sins, but conditions will apply, that he or she should repent sincerely and should not commit that kind of sins which he commit in the past and should strictly follow Islamic teaching till his/her last breath.
    3) How Allah looks? or How his Throne is? These things you will know when meet him in the next world. Allah’s angry or love or mercy, you cannot compare with humans.
    4) The First cleanliness of body is Circumcision. Go through this article http://www.faizaneislam.org/islam/islam_wudu.shtml

    • Abdullah Brother Check the HISTORY OF CIRCUMCISION it is a Egyptian and Babylon (Pagan Ritual) ritual, which Jews and Muslims copied that itself gives the idea from where did Abrahamic religion come from.
      Koran says wine is the handiwork of devil but Muslim Heaven is flowing with this Handiwork of Devil (Wine).

  27. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “The Prophet Ibrahim circumcised himself when he was eighty years old and he circumcised himself with an axe.” (Related by Bukhari, Muslim & Ahmad.)
    Through prophet only we hear about circumcision. Also not that Abraham (A.S) was born in Egypt only.
    The wine of this world is different compare to the wine of Heaven, since the wine of heaven does not contain alcohol. When Allah prohibit from drinking alcohol in this world, how come he will permit in the heaven.

    • Dear Abdullah,
      Why did Mohammed only show you the path of Greediness— if Alcohol is not that mean then why he indicated.
      Why did Mohammed only show you will get virgin (hurries) in Janat, why did he not teach you how to control Sex.
      You know why, because Mohammed showed them all Loly Pops to those of barbaric rapist Arabs who were only materialist and so Mohammed taughtt them only materialism not spiritualism, so that they can be patience to awaiting all these bodily comforts hereafter in Janat.
      This is all Greediness and vicious desires to obtain in Janat. For your kind information, Janat is not a spiritual planet. This also comes in one of many planets but not final destination.
      Final Destination is not Janat but Liberation from Cycle of Birth and Death.
      B/rgds,
      Jay maheshwary.

      • To be a Muslim does not mean every thing. Vicious greediness
        To be a Hindu does not mean every thing.
        What makes us Superior to others is our KARAM “ACTION”
        What we Hindus believe that “KARAM” “ACTION” of one Human is “EVERY THING” regardless what nation, social group or sects he belongs to.
        As far as SHIRK is concerned. This is a wrong assumption of Muslim Ummah that Allah will get angry if one worships other partner except Allah.
        This seems mono poly as a political agenda behaving like earthly organization party of INC, BJP, BSP, CPI(M) in India & PPP & Muslim League -N in Pakistan or like Cruel King.
        I told you God remains in His all of attributes, He has multi faceted dimensions in and out of Universe. So, Hindueism comprises of both faces to reach eternal Eashwar.
        Similarly, when architecture draws a Sketch of big plaza or bridge, it means he takes interest to develop his Ideas into realities. So one day from Sketch, you would see a big building or a bridge into reality. That’s what Hinduism thinks about Supreme Eshwar, Idol is nothing for a Vedic follower but he also does not condemn it purely because he knows that whatever I see surrounding me is a part of eternal Paramatam/Allah.

    • @Abdullah you got it Ibrahim was born in Egypt and circumcised himself in 80 years of age that itself says that Ibrahmic religion have come from Egyptian and Babylonian religion even Babylonian people kept Sabbath on Friday like Muslims do.
      Koran does not say a special brand of wine is allowed or disallowed it says that wine is devil handiwork and should not be consumed so how wine is allowed in Muslim Heaven even if it is of special brand.

  28. Involving and associating God in any of way or in any of form or in any of matter, does not make any difference to God. He is happy when human does not know Him and even then He has faith in Him in any ways of Idol, is much better than those who make Allah disappear their Nimaz in like Atheists.
    A common sense does not allow me to think that if I am not Muslim and worshipping another God or many faces of God then I would be put into everlasting Hell.
    Then where are our Karams or Actions we do in our daily life.
    Karams or Actions don’t require any Stamp of Islam on back of humans. The important is your Physical action, Mental action and Spiritual action.
    You know what is the meaning of SHIRK- to associate, to involve. If I get Supreme God involved into any form whom I have not experienced and seen yet that does not mean a Sin to believe in any form. He is present in every matter. This is a way to understand God. Imposing just fanatic rules and representing only angry Allah is not a worthy way of teaching your brothers and sisters. You try to teach them ATMAN GYAN- Knowledge of Spirituality.
    So, pls don’t make any hard and fast rules like you impose on your muslim ummah. In this way you have shut the minds of upcoming generation of Muslim children for knowing Spiritual knowledge.

  29. Does your Allah fear if another partner is worshipped in Universe, if so, then he can not be ALLAH. Allah should not be such narrow minded.
    So, please don’t be castle in the air. If ALLAH becomes jealous of being another Partner as God, it means he thinks the way a human thinks and human is limited, so, is Allah limited. There is not even a single particle in this Universe which is not associated or partner of one ultimate ESHWAR. Every particle is a part of God.
    We are ultimately MANAV not GOD. Please don’t consider your ALLAH from view point of Mayas of this Universe as Human thinks. He is above all, yet he is within all.
    Hereafter, Heaven is a place where you think a Muslim will stay forever and he will get the best of things like bodily comforts. Bodily comforts can also be achieved here on this Earth if you effort.
    To understand Supreme God, one has to understand one’s “SELF” VEDAS are hidden in one’s “SELF”. There are certain levels to reach ultimate God. Through this process you can be God where your fasle ego self will be defeated and you will realize Eshwar.
    When you would reach that STATE of MIND, you will come to realize the actual name of God. So, actual name of God is not ALLAH, not Eashwar, Not Bhagwan, Not God, Not Khuda, not Masih.

  30. The notion you carry with yourself like burning Fire into Hell for all non Muslims and Heaven for all Muslims at the doom’s day seems to be a human act of revenge for all non Muslims. This is even against of human rights in today’s world. Today, you Muslims live in a secular country and Hindus in Pakistan living in Islamic country who have no rights to practice openly our Vedic Dharma but Dr. Zakkir Naik has fully authority to spread Islam in India through Piece TV. This is the real fact, isn’t it.
    We are so compassion & tolerance than you are.
    You have taken our Lands- Pakistan- Bangladesh, yet we tolerate you.
    You have taken our Language to use in the name of Urdu, yet we tolerate you.
    You have taken our Jean (DNA), similarity in our complexes but you branded false Arabic mask over your faces, yet we tolerate you.
    You have destroyed our Indian ancient Art, Culture, temples and looted our temples and wealth as Maal-e-Ganimat, we still bear you.
    You still breathe in the valley of Indian Atmosphere. Even then you are unkind to India.
    You still live in Crores in India but very few lacks we live in Pakistan, are not treated well in Pakistan due to your barbaric Islamic religion.
    But you all are unkind to Hinduism. You must salute Hinduism for our tolerance. This is all because of our Vedic Dharma that it teaches us extreme tolerance to others not like your religion of Islam.
    You have many actors and actresses in Indian Bollywood and even the President of India has been a Muslim- Dr. Abdul Kalam served India from 2002 to 2007.
    Will your Islamic rule allow any Hindu a President of Pakistan, does it allow? Please reply.
    Equality must also be felt in action not only in words alone.
    Dear Abdullah, I raised some of questions to you in my earlier posts, but you did not reply any one of them. Ok no problem, jus reply for one point.
    If you think, your religion Islam has good equilibrium to humans, then, Can a Muslim woman perform Nimaz in Mosques with Muslims brothers, pls reply.
    Jai Sri Ram!, Jai Sri Krsna!
    Best regards,
    Jay Maheshwary.

    • Brother Jay Maheshwary,
      Men and Women are equal in Islam. At the same time you should also realize that Men and women does not look alike same and also nature. Men were take carers of women, at the same time women job is to take care of her husband home. Both are equal and at the same they do their own jobs. In Islam mixing of Men and Women are not allowed. That is the reason the women are not allowed to play Namaz together. But a Husband and wife can pray together. In Gulf countries Women also pray in Masjid, but they will have separate hall to pray in Masjid.
      You have raised many points, but don’t be emotional. And at the same time keep one thing clear in mind that India is not yours. It is for all people who born in this land. Everyone has the right to follow and preach their religion in this country. You cannot blame all Muslims for the mistakes of some stupid muslims. I agree that they might have done injustice to the Hindus, for that reason you cannot blame all Muslims and Islam.
      You and I have to die one day. Only 6 feet of land is yours and mine. For me this present life is a testing period and I believe that when Allah raise me on the day of Judgement I will be judged according to my deeds and belief and based on that I will be in HELL or Heaven forever. If i did some mistakes Allah may forgive if not I need to burn in Hell for some period and after completing the punishment I hope i will be admitted to heaven, Since Allah will forgive all sins except Shirk (Associating partner with him). We will have permanent eternal life with enjoying life in the Heaven as promised by Allah.
      Coming to Vedas what kind of Salvation you are getting? You need to born again and again, if you get Salvation you Soul will mix into GOD. But for other sinners they need to life after life and don’t when they will get salvation. Don’t you feel bore by taking birth again and again?
      What i get if I reject Vedas and Eaaswar in this life > The answer is simple i need to take birth again and again until i born as human and follow good way of GOD to get salvation. But I get a chance to reach GOD in the last after several births, but ultimately i get Salvation.
      What If you reject Qur’an and Allah > Since Qur’an says that this life is for testing and whatever you have to do, do it in this world, in the next life there will be judgement and you will put in to Hello or Heaven. As Allah said that he will never forgive Shirk. So obviously you have no second chance to return to this world and follow GOD. And ultimately you will be big looser and you will thrown in to HELL to burn forever.
      Now you decide yourself which is better for you. You should also note that I am on safe side. Think again and again and decide yourself, after all it is very precious and gifted life given by Allah.
      Abdullah

      • @Abdullah India is of Hindus, Muslims have been given separate country Pakistan, as majority of the muslims voted for separate Pakistan then why are they allowed to live here, Muslims are allowed to live here because of Nehru foolishness so to accept or reject his foolishness is Hindu Majority right. Muslim majority Kashmir and Christian Majority Nagaland and Mizoram are also in India but here Hindus are not allowed to buy land or preach their religion so why should we allow Muslims or Christians to preach in Hindu Majority areas.
        Abdullah Brother answer me a simple question if we have kicked out muslims during partition now would we be facing Islamic terrorism. Secularism sucks Hindus should leave it or prepare for its own destruction.

  32. @ Abdullah,
    looks like you are a fake ex – Hindu, can you tell us what was your orginal name with Kula and gothra info? I am sure you wont have one. please disprove me …. else all your arguements are no different from born muslims….
    and dont forget your ” Hell” for saying lies and that too by your own ” Allah”

    • Dear Pradeep,
      Thanks for yr comments to highlight his original motives which I also doubted that whatever he is writing and telling is all lies and fake like a born Muslim.
      Best regards,
      Jay.

  33. Yes I agree with Sameer,
    Dear Brother- Abdullah,
    Sorry, Men and Women are equal in NATURE not in ISLAM.
    Two women equal one man if evidence requires in judiciary matter in Islam.
    Flexibility allows Minimum 4 women are for one man to be married in Islam. It means degrading of women in Islam.
    So, 4 women are equal to one man. Where is your equality in Islam. Islam should not only remain in words should be in deeds also.
    Women in Islam are considered a sex machine not a human like man.
    Why can’t a woman pray the Nizmaz amongst men in Islam? The reason is very simple, Muslims are not taught how to control Kamna, Wasna, Bhudi, Man.
    They are only taught how to hate non Muslims. How to make Jihad with the enemy of ALLAH. Our Dharma says, there is no enemy of Eshwar. This is futile to think even.

  34. But every Muslim is teaching other Muslims that we have to fight ALLAH’S ENEMY those who are non Muslims. This is childish way of thinking, only found in Islam.
    Muslims need to be taught Yoga Science. Yoga Science stops fanaticism and creates tolerance in you and it makes man feel what realized dharma is.
    But unfortunately, Yoga Science is neither mentioned in Quran nor taught by Mohammed to Muslims. That’s why you never consider what life is, just blow other’s body through chemical bombs in the name of Jihad is really weird way of killing people in the name of ALLAH.
    Every Muslim is wandering to satisfy every other non Muslims, accept Islam just by saying that is True Path. But how can we, when there is no GYAN and Protection of JIV, only killing and murdering people. This is insecure religion must now be changed towards tolerance through Yogo Science.
    Islam is incomplete religion should take help from Hinduism to complete its accomplishments. So, please learn it you will find such a beautiful PEACE ever in your life.

  35. Hinduism.
    This is a Science of God where a human (he/she) can learn how to control, body, sex, man(Mind), bhudi(intellect), chit(consciousness), ahinkar(proud), kirod(anger)
    Bukh(hunger).
    Can I ask you? Does your Quran teach you the way a Hindu is taught through Indian scriptures about how to lead life.
    Simply saying others that don’t worship Idols & Islam is only the true religion and accept it. Moreover, you said that a Muslim he/she will be put into Hell temporarily as per his deeds he/she did in past and then eternally gifted place in Heaven because ALLAH has promised Mohammed, will open the doors of Janat only for those who carry stamp and sign of Mohammed. Don’t you think, is ALLAH good justice?

  36. Where is GYAN in QURAN. Every time I have felt whenever I meet Mulsim in Pakistan, they only say, Accept Islam that is good religion but why should I accept.
    What Atman Gyan does your Quran speak. It only speaks of past history and fear of God for barbaric arabs to adopt else they will be put into Hell.
    Quran does not contain any JIV GYAN- ATMAN GYAN- INCARNATION GYAN- MEDITATIVE SELF ESTEEMED GYAN.
    This is deep Gyan which Mohammed could not understand then how come Mohammed could have taught Muslims Ummah!

  37. Let us talk over your 2nd objection, see as under:
    India is not till India. India is Afghanistan, India is Pakistan, India is Bangladesh, India is Iran, India is Iraq (Mesopotamia), India is Tashkent, India is Egypt (Ajpat) as AKHUNDH BHARAT.
    So, please don’t consider Pakistan is a separate land, is a part of Bharatversha is a land of Sanatana Dharma.
    Don’t teach me that all people who are born within India are only called Indians so what I was born in Pakistan.
    As far as I live in Pakistan, so today I live very near to Sindu Nadi which means all people including Muslims in Pakistan must be known as Sindus or Hindus or Indians not Pakistani.
    It is our Sanatana Dharma that tolerates every thing like you in a large number of Muslims living in India more than Pakistani Muslims.

  38. It is Sanatana Dharma that gives you lands to live in Inida including Pakistan and Bangladesh. You(Muslims) fight Hindus in India but we(Hindus) don’t fight Muslims because you know why, we comprise Muslims even though they oppress Hindus in Pakistan but we never lament, cry and raise our voices for our basic rights.
    This is because of SIKHSHAH (TEACHINGS) we get from our Sanatana Dharma to live peacefully wherever you are.
    See history, it is not Islam that gives you lands to live but Islam looted lands of other regions on this earth. It is Islamic ruled imposed by Mohammed since the day
    Shive Temple Kaaba was ruined and hijacked by Mohammed and his team. Even though crores were Hindus converted to Muslims by force, by threat, by wealth, by false notion of caste or by Jasia (Gunda Tax) to torture financially and mentally. Muslims did every thing to destroy this Dharma what they could do in past but in spite of all these discriminations, still SANATANA DHARMA is ringing the bells from Canada to America to Europe to Australia. Because, it always stands for True Path.

  39. Meaning of Sanatana Dharma(Hinduism) is Eternal Universal Laws which includes PRAKRIT(Maya) as a part of Supreme Being(Spiritual Being) A True Divine Nature is Swam “ESHWAR”
    Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma) is not merely a Religion like Semitic people follow. Islam is not a DHARMA, it is just a kind of human make which only works for its own people not universally workable which seems a human army commander has made only for his own group of people’s satisfaction not for the rest of creatures of this Universe.
    Hinduism is based on LOGIC not barbaric life. Similarly it is by Nature (Prakrit) which balances every thing not only Men and Women are equal by nature but also all living and non living things altogether in Universe.
    That’s why, a single creature has to suffer and enjoy according to his / her deeds. What you soil is to be reaped is very simple logic which barbaric Muslims don’t understand.

  40. I was born in Pakistan but by birth I am HINDU and very much concerned with my Dharma. Even though during my school life, I found many times, Muslim friends urged me to accept Islam.
    I asked my father since I was too young, school going boy; my friends are telling me to accept Islam. Then my father told me Indian philosophy is every thing in and out of Universe. He further taught me that I should not go after temporary pleasures of JANAT, he emphasized me to understand YOGA SCIENCE which is the essence of our Dharma and you will one day realize what this Maya and Spirit is. So, I went to learn Swami Narain Temple at the time of Jaghatnath Festival where I purchased a magazine of Prabhupada “GO BACK TO HOME” I found we have very good understanding of KARAM YOGO spoken by Bhaghwan Krisna in Bhagawat Geeta.
    This seemed to me very logical than the concept of getting Janat by becoming Muslims. Hinduism teaches you without any condition that is purely based upon
    your “DOINGS”
    Then I keep reading all Shastras of our BHARATVERSHA and then I went to study history of India, and found, BHARATA was destroyed many time by many invaders.
    Especially Islam hurt a Bharat a lot in many ways, even then Muslims are safe to a great extent, living in India. You should be proud of Indian Gyan that you are still practicing your religion openly in India.

  41. Brothers Sameer and Pradeep,
    Be serious in deciding your fate in this life itself. Otherwise you have to face grave consequences after death. Will i get any benefit if you go to HELL? obviously No. The only thing is to save you people from HELL fire. Think and decide before death. And we don’t know when the death angel knock our door. So brothers be serious and decide yourself.
    By Allah and the Qur’an I swear that I came from Hindu background. I came from Reddy caste.
    Abdullah

    • Bro Abdullah FYI Reddy is not a Caste its a community……..which exposes you ….our sympathies are with you for either false swearing or for not truely understanding your roots. if you need help please do let us know , I promise to help you understand your roots and try to pull you out temp heaven and temp Hell stuff….just give you some food for thoughts which will make you think right
      1) Allah initially allowed marriages between bro and sis ( Adam’s children)
      2) in Quran he bans such marriages
      which tells you that Allah is not sure of what he is doing without forseeing what he wants us to do in future ( which doesnt make him God , cause god is supposed to know everything , the past, the present and future) . when he could make adam out of clay , he could have made wives for adams kids out of clay again as he would know that in future he is not going to allow marriages between bros and sis.
      Looks like Abraham made some stories which was taken very seriously and many religions came out of it claiming mine is the true God. I honestly dont understand the theory of true and untrue gods.

    • Adullah Muslim Hell is more cool place than Muslim Heaven because in Muslim Heaven you can get only 72 virgins and wine but in Muslim Hell you can get millions of beautiful woman because all woman go to hell according to Koran and by the if anybody is interested in Muslim Heaven he does not have to wait to die he can already get this by going to red light area.

  42. At the moment, I work in office where all staff is Muslims but only I am one and only Hindu facing every body day to day but not fighting them just tolerating every thing.
    They keep drinking glass separate, keeping tea cup separate, not eating my food what I bring from my home. Their superstition is that I should be Muslim then I would be allow every thing what a common muslim openly does for eating an drinking. Isn’t really the caste system in Muslims.
    Necessarily I should be Muslim then I will be treated “EK SAF MAY KHRAY HOKAR NIMAZ PRAY.
    Here in India, Muslims are every time ready to fight Hindus for their demands showing as minorities then obviously collision between Hindus and Muslims will happen.

  43. But in Pakistan, we Hindus never fight Muslims and never demand any thing from the Government of Pakistan, we work hard here know if we raise our voices and stand for fighting, they will not give a second chance but will suppress us. So we Hindus in Paksitan are every time ready to compromise Muslims that is why in Pakistan very rare you will find Muslims and Hindus collisions happen.
    My purpose is not to show how bad Muslims are but I have experience personally how selfish a Muslim is. They mean only Muslim is Human and rest of people are garbage this is what your Quran teaches you.
    I am very much disappointed man out of my Hindus living in Pakistan. I cry some times because the land whereon I live was a part India some times.

  44. The evidences are here where I live. Many of Hindus temples were destroyed after partition 1947. I went many places in Karachi old city where I still live.
    I find myself which shows the symbol of “OM” constructed at galleries and balkani which they tried to destroy as now living Muslims in those of houses once they were the houses of Hindus actually.
    My dear friend, can you ask the king of Saud-e-Arab to allow Hindu to visit Kaaba. He will never allow which seems a distinguish between Muslims and rest of humans on this earth. Please correct your notions for humanity and don’t live only for Muslims on this earth, live for animals too,live for plants too, live for saving waters and atmosphere of this earth peacefully and let others live peacefully.

    • dear brother Abdullah,
      This is what your Quran teaches you every time “FEAR: else you will be put into everlasting Hell.
      Do you think, this gyan is enough for running humanity just only to accept Islam otherise a man will get very bad consequence after death.
      This is only you are teaching us FEARISM. Islam is non but only FEARISM and NEPOTISM OF MOHAMMED AND YOUR CREATED ALLAH.
      Tell me where is ATMAN GYAN in yoru QURAN, tell me a single steps of Spirituality with Body and Mind Control.
      Don’t repeat your so called sentences of believing in one God so what we believe in one GOD since long time ago not becasue of Islam but because of VEDAS TEACHINGS.
      Don’t repeat scary story of HELL after death. We only scare if we hurt any one from our deeds this is what we know we don’t lament for JANAT.
      From Janat, there is also a Reverse gear. JANAT is not the final destination what Mohammed taught you this is a temporary reward which a manav gets as per his/her deeds not because of Muslims. Being good devotee of Eshwar/Allah, any body can get any degree of rewards but it does not mean you have got eternal abode.
      Reality is something else which can only be felt, realized and recognized whilst a person meditates his SELF as universe and then he would realize God. Realizing you and God is Liberation / Salvation not getting Janat only.
      .

  45. dear Abdullah Brother!
    Come out of this false day dream of JANAT and see what inside of you is really God conceals in you, He watches you, He hears you, He helps you, He loves you, so just try to sit calm and quiet you will find very joyful experience my dear.
    i am not saying you must embrace Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma. Be Muslim but try to see what inside of you. Inside you is real Universe floating on the plane of Spirituality which is really real and
    different from one we have adopted.
    This is like a quantum while a boy plays animating game on computer is like the same way all we see and experience in this world are imaginary waves pulsing every time and giving the sense of touching matter is only our perception. But real touch comes out from only your inner seed.

  46. Brother Jay Maheshwary,
    You are not in a position to decide what is right and what is wrong. I have given you choice to decide the Salvation way of Vedas and Qur’an. Let you decide to follow whichever way you like.
    Muslims never force anyone to convert to Islam. You have given wrong information. You are living in Pakistan, how come you are still a Hindu? Did Muslims over there tried to force you convert to Islam? I wonder how come still you are alive there? If Prophet Muhammad(SAW) forcibly converted people of Arabia into Islam, how come you are still a Hindu living in a Muslim country? You are the best and living example. This itself clearly confirms us that Muslims never forces anyone to accept Islam nor kill anyone if they did not convert to Islam.
    The Holy Qur’an contains full of wisdom and good teachings for a person to live in peace and harmony. I think you might have not read the Qur’an. Go and ask any Moulana over there and check with him and ask whatever doubts you have about Islam and clear the misunderstandings you have. That is the best way to know the truth about Islam.
    Think over Salvation way I have given you.
    Abdullah.

  47. Hinduism does not bet any body to be Hindu first to realize unlike Islam.
    But it always opens without any bound, terms, frontier, veil, barrier, community, caste etc.
    I don’t urge you to do what I tell you is right. But once you try, don’t read our scripture which you think will misguid you.
    But you just sit in meditation and only breathe as easy as you can, don’t think any thing, don’t hear any thing, don’t reicte or Japa any thing, don’t imagine any thing.
    Only you think, I am not this body but a soul, you will realize a peace, peace, peace, joy, joy, joy and all problems will come to end, my friend.

  48. Dear Abdullah Brother,
    I live in the building where a complete family of Hindu by beating and threatening of lives converted to Islam in front of me. They bate his wife and children while he went to work.
    Thousands of Hindu girls abducted in Karachi by Mulsims with this notion that they will marry and make them Muslims, will obtain a place in Janat as per Islam.You know what, ultimately, many of girls were not protected by Muslims who abducted and married them by force as NIKA, all judiciaty accompanied that Muslims and after marrying them and after few months, Muslims parents don’t accept those of Hindu girls who were abducted and married by their reprobated sons and after few months of marrying they sell those girls in prostitution markets and girls now nether go to parents nor live in societies. I am really saying truth which is happening in Pakistan and most of the cases are not highlighted on media screen even.
    I am the person who knows my Dharma and I reason every Muslims not to force and convince me I am OK wherever I am but still this is open attach on me I don’t know it may happen to me at any time in future. We are
    because you know why. I and many other Hindus living in Pakistan COMPROMISE with Muslims to bear them with their Islamic theory.
    I am safe until I compromise with Muslims here. If I don’t compromise then they will kill me or adopt Islam to save me and my family.
    I am not an alive example due to the compassion of Islam but I am victimized many times like others but I am saved by chance and I have no guarantee that any time, I may have attach from them to adopt islam by force.
    this has been the history of Muslims and Talibans are alive examples of repeating history of barbaric religion of Islam. They have entered Karachi city and trapping every one time by time, when it will reach peak, we may have been no more. We are here on needle point. no matter today we are safe God knows what will happen to us that we fear. So we compromise and fear from Muslims not from your God.

    • Jay Maheshwary sorry to hear your plight if you have anymore Hindu friends in Pakistan show them this site and allow them to speak their plight in islamic countries we do not get to know about the plight of our Hindus Brothers in Pakistan because of the pseudosecularist media in India. Contrary to our Hindus Brothers pathetic condition in Muslim pakistan country how these Muslims are enjoying in our country HINDU RASHTRA is the only solution and we should kick out Muslims from India or convert them to Hinduism (Vedic Dharma)

      • Deepak I agree with the sympathizing with Jay, but disagree with kicking out Muslims from India or convert them to Hinduism…A person becomes hindu by deeds and only good deeds so I would recommend all the muslims to watch actions of hindus everyday, every minute and I am sure they will surely one day give up false lolly pops of heavens , virgins etc.. and understand the true nature of God/Peace/Love and revert to hinduism..
        I was reading the life of Mohammed , he was hating the idol worship since his childhood ( much before he became prophet , one of the reasons i feel is his idol gods did not save his parents and he was orphan very early in his life) and this hatred and since he was travelling for business he obviously have heard about jesus/bible/Abraham and he saw an oppurtunity of vastly divided Arabs to unite under a common god. Now which God was a choice he had to make as there were 360 + Gods in Arab during that time. it was simple Mohammed’s father’s name was Abdulla ( slave of Allah) so he chose Allah. otherwise probably it could have been any of those 360 Gods during that time :).

      • Dear Deepak- my brother I feel your sympathy even so far from you and thanks for that.
        I understand your position after you have learnt my story.
        On the other hand, I would also excuse & would agree with Pradeep. We should not act like Muslims have been doing since the day Mohammed plundered Shiva Temple where now Kaab is situated.
        We should not kick any of Muslims out from India. This is their right to live as they have been born and now it is our responsibility to take care of them and their families. As they are minority in India.
        I understand how a minority feels pain, remaining in other strange country. Vedic Dharma teaches us to feel other’s pain to realize what yours one.
        Today we are much better treating Humans all over the world than Muslims.
        We should spoil our Dharma. We give assurance to all Muslims that we must give them every thing as long as they live in India, no matter how they ruined our Art & Culture thourgh out history.
        India is not only country but also a Soul of this Earth.

      • @Pradeep you maybe right but the problem is there are more than 20 crores Muslim and millions of Bangladeshi Muslims are pouring in our country apart from that Muslim Organizations like Deobandis are dreaming of creating Islamic Country out of India and hosting islamic flag in Red Fort and to teach everybody Vedic Dharma will take another 1000 years by that time their population will be tripled and Hindus will become minority in their own country. Undue Kindness shown by Prithviraj Chauhan to Ghauri became the cause of rape of many Hindu woman and murder of many Hindu men and children. Mosquito neutralized in bud will save an epidemic.

      • @ Deepak , those statistics do not take into account of numerous islamic radicals killing each other, Sunnis kill shias etc etc…. Mr Mohammed ensured that killings will continue and these islamic radicals will end up killing each other say within next 1000 years , rest of the good muslims by then would realise the true motive of mohammed and revert to their original roots ” the vedas”. I was reading some religious stats yesterday , there are many more offshoots of Islam like bahai faith which is growing faster than sunni and shia, I am sure sunni and shias will be planning to counter them.
        these sunnis and shias has already started in India too, I have 5 muslim friends and during a causual discussion they showed their hatred to Shias and some of them dont want to travel to HYD as HYD is dominated by shias. I hope these guys go out of India to fight their holy wars and if somebody survives it and wants to return to roots of vedas are welcome back else we would donate them to Pakistan along with few billion dollars

  49. We Hindus never say even a muslim to be Hindu in practical working life.
    But why a mulsim says to other non mulsim, the reason very nature of teaching of Mohammed teaches that every human must be muslim. If a muslim does not spread Islam and does not make any other mulsim, he will get bad consequence as curse from Allah.
    I have read QUran and i have got a copy of translated Quran and I went through Quran and found
    no GYAN is mentioned in your Quran except Fear of Allah and previous Jews and Christians and wars amongs them.
    I am repeating again dear Abdullah, tell me, WHERE IS ATMAN GYAN IN QURAN, as explained and enlightened in the Indian Scriptures, could you please give me some of steps how a human realize Self to God, what are meditative steps, does your Quran cover?
    What is difference between consciousness and Atama (ROOH)?
    How do you understand your ALLAH, whether He intervenes in daily affairs of human lives or not?

  50. Greatness of any religion is not measured by saying some of fearing words from Allah and greediness as loly pops for the attraction of Mayavi Janat.
    But greatness of any Dharma is measured by the fact of genuine Atamanan Gyan which is foundation of Spirituality.
    Speaking the truth, helping feeble people, giving goods and money as charity, feeding poor, supporting sick people, doing all welfare works are COMMON TERMS in all religions of world.
    But unique is ATAMAN GYAN which Quran does not possess. So, every mulsim requires this understanding of JIV ATAMAN GYAN to save this world from filthy intension of barbaric religion.

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