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Arya Ashfaqullah Khan – our role model

Sanjeev Newar
By Sanjeev Newar
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

मौत और ज़िन्दगी है दुनिया का सब तमाशा,
फरमान कृष्ण का था, अर्जुन को बीच रन में|
– अशफाक

Scene 1:
A youth was lying semi-conscious on floor uttering only ‘Hey Ram’, ‘Hey Ram’ after a stroke. People gathered around trying to revive him wondering why a devout worshipper of Allah was uttering name of Ram in such a stage! One of his friends knew the mystery and immediately brought his ‘Ram’ on scene. Only then did the young man obtain some peace and got back to life. Such was his love for Ram Prasad Bismil – the legendary mentor of a whole generation of patriotic revolutionaries. The young man was none other than Bismil’s alter-ego Ashfaqullah Khan.
Scene 2:
A gang of fanatics entered Arya Samaj, Shajhahanpur to kill Bismil. Ashfaqullah was also there. Immediately he stood up and took the leader of the gang at gun-point. He threatened to kill him if they did not go back. He said – To bring damage to Bismil, you will have to first kill me.
Scene 3:
Ram Prasad Bismil was a devout Hindu. Ashfaq was from a conservative Muslim family. But Ashfaq was resolved to win trust and heart of Bismil. Bismil did avoid him in beginning but that could not deter Ashfaq. He knew that true worship of Allah exists only in Vedas. And for Ashfaq, that road to Vedic worship passed through Bismil – the tejasvi Brahmchari who epitomized Tawheed.
Eventually they became so close that they used to eat from same plate and Ashfaq spent more time with Bismil than his own home. Who bothers about religions when friendship is built on basis of patriotism! The two legends together, in a way, shaped the destiny of future freedom movement.
Scene 4:
After being captured, a policeman asked Ashfaq – “Why are you working with Hindus to bring down British Empire? After all you are a Muslim.” Ashfaq replied promptly:

“Because Hindu Rashtra would be way better than British Empire!”

These are not scenes from a fictitious film but true incidents from life of one of the greatest patriots to have taken birth – Ashfaqullah Khan. While the world may have forgotten him and even Muslim leaders desist from highlighting this freedom fighter, he remains our role model.
– He was the first Muslim to willingly sacrifice his life at the gallows for sake of motherland. All at a tender age of 27. He writes that he was proud to be the first Muslim to do so and be first Muslim in his generations to serve the motherland.
It is time that our Muslim community gives birth to many such Ashfaqs and Hindu community gives birth to many Bismils who work together with them.
– He promised his mentor Ram Prasad Bismil to live and die with him. Eventually that became true and both great legends were hanged within a day on December 18 and 19, 1927.
– He was a true icon of Hindu-Muslim solidarity. His religion never forced him to curse an Arya Samaji – a critic of Islam – to eternal Hell. On contrary, the truthfulness and high character of Bismil made him consider Bismil as his role model and elder brother, much more dearer than his own family.
The great hero however had a very disappointing end. He was eventually captured by British because a Pathan befriended him in name of same ideology, and then informed police out of greed.
Today most Muslim organizations and leaders shy away from taking even his name. Zakir Naik will never praise Ashfaq for his sacrifice and patriotism. On contrary these perverts would believe that he might deserve Hell for doing the Shirk of writing poems on having soil of motherland even in grave, or being more closer to Arya Samaj than the mosque.
These fake leaders and representatives of Islam are acting like the treacherous Pathans for the Ashfaqs among the Muslim population. And thus Ashfaquallah Khan – one of the greatest patriots ever born in this country – is a forgotten name.
We wish that instead of terrorists like Joker Naik, such great legends like Ashfaq become the role models for Muslim youth. Agniveer is committed to revive the era of Ashfaq and Bismil and work among our Muslim brothers and sisters to nurture many more Ashfaqs that not only make Muslim community but entire humanity proud. And also expose the frauds who want to cheat Ashfaqs of today for their petty greed.
For Agniveer, such jewels like Ashfaq are true Hindus and true Muslims who exemplify by noble deeds. We don’t care about theological beliefs on unknown.
Our humblest salute to the legacy of legendary Ashfaq – a true Arya.
Vande Mataram!
Some great thoughts of Ashfaq:
कुछ आरजू नहीं है, है आरजू तो यह
रख दे कोई ज़रा सी खाके वतन कफ़न में|
ए पुख्तकार उल्फत हुसियार, डिग ना जाना,
मराज आशकां है इस दार और रसन में|
मौत और ज़िन्दगी है दुनिया का सब तमाशा,
फरमान कृष्ण का था, अर्जुन को बीच रन में|
– Ashfaq considered Krishna as his role model.
– Is this the reason why Ashfaq is not highlighted by representatives of Islam like Zakir Naik?
न कोई इंग्लिश है न कोई जर्मन,
न  कोई रशियन है न कोई तुर्की|
मिटाने वाले हैं अपने हिंदी,
जो आज हमको मिटा रहे हैं||
– Again it is evident that Ashfaq considered English, Turks etc as foreigners and wanted to live, die and complain only for natives of the motherland.
बुजदिलो को ही सदा मौत से डरते देखा,
गो कि सौ बार उन्हें रोज़ ही मरते देखा|
मौत से वीर को हमने नहीं डरते देखा,
मौत को एक बार जब आना है तो डरना क्या है,
हम सदा खेल ही समझा किये, मरना क्या है|
वतन हमेशा रहे शादकाम और आज़ाद,
हमारा क्या है, अगर हम रहे, रहे न रहे||
– What could depict greater love for beloved motherland! Hats off to the great poet cum patriot! May my motherland give birth to many such Ashfaqs.
For more details, refer:
1. Autobiography of Bismil
2. Biography of Ashfaqullah Khan
3. Google Book
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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Sanjeev Newar is an eminent data scientist, entrepreneur, best-selling author, and speaker with expertise in Vedas and Sanskrit. He is an alumnus of IIT Guwahati and IIM Calcutta. He quit the corporate world to work for social inclusion and the protection of the vulnerable. For his work on Dalit inclusion and empowerment, he received the Neelkantha Award in 2019. He founded the Sewa Nyaya Utthan Foundation to make quality education accessible to vulnerable groups and marginalised communities.

341 COMMENTS

  1. Dear Abdullah Brother,
    you are still very lucky living in India, at least you people can raise your voices against what is being oppressed to you in India. But I am sure, deliberately no Hindu harms and hurts you in India, unless you fight them.
    A Hindu always supports other religions and respect all scriptures of Allah. But you Muslims even doubt if we say, name of Bhagwan or if we read any Sanskrito Verses from Bhagwat Geeta, then whole of your faith would be in vain and you will have to revive your faith again as Muslim.
    This is is the mentality of educated GM of our company.
    We Hindu never care where and what we japa or call the name of God, but we have our own understanding of Supreme Being by any name by any form, by any creature, we can pray to HIM. Because God is omnipresent and He dwells where He is prayed. What we also believe that He also dwells where He is not prayed even.
    He dwells where He is not even called what we believe. God is not a personal property of one group or sect of people. Did you hear from Hindu, that all Muslims who are non Hindu will go to Hell for ever, No never.
    We never consider any beings inferior unlike Muslims. Who the Hell are we to tell people if not accept Sanatana, will go to ever burning Fire of Hell. Then why do Muslims keep this thinking?

  2. There is no salvation steps given in Quran and Hathis. Only to pray five times a day without understanding your inner Self is not a significant mark of liberation.
    Even steps you use through Nimaz is a Suraynimaskaar and Mother Earh Nimaskaar which you borrowed from Abrahmic religion of Jews and Jews borrowed from Brahama Gyani Group of people as Muni-Rishi who were indigenous from India residing in Arabia thousands of years ago and taught them Vedic Spiritual Yoga Science but over the time, it has been shrunk to only few steps including Vijrasana (good for digestion) & suranimaskar which is now known as Nimaz, was once (Nima-yagna) name corrupted over time and now you have forgotten your previous ancestral Dharma.
    You can compare your each step of your Nimaz with Yoga Steps that are 84 asanas actually borrowed one neither created by Mohammed nor Jews. You will find very similarity. Though you perform only few of steps during Nimaz but we have complete set of asana and many other steps of mundaras.
    Now your Nimaz is only in the form of ayats verbalization which are hollow steps unless a true Guru tells you how to sit in Padmasana with Dyan Mudra and one must take breath in balance from your both left and right nostrils which will provide pure matured oxygen to awake your inner senses of disc rotating chakras which only lead you finally realizing your SELF and then God.
    The way you pray Nimaz is only one sided of excerise pruposes you use.
    But according to Sanatana Dharma, all steps of Yoga Science are not meant to excercise but to realize who you are, whee you came from, why you are born again and over again.
    God can be realized in second if once purely sit in meditation calm and quiet not necessary he does five times Nimaz daily.
    God can not be realized even in hundred of years if one only recites Verses from Vedas like Muslims recites ayats from Quran fluently.

  3. so realizing God and understanding of Universal Consciousness, one has to go through Steps that only India knows alone.
    We Hindus are one side believing in Statues/ Idols and on the other side, Vedas are discussing
    Quantum Physics.
    Today’s science says the same statement which scientists found in lab about matter duality which is very weird, untested, untold and unexplainable, so the same statement has been said by various Rishies from India long before Quantum mechanics those who realized God during their austerity that one can not explain what HE is. He Who can not be explained but experienced only as it happens with scientists in laboratory materialistically while a rishi reaches God by spiritually.
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  4. We never condemn any of believing ways and never hurt any one how one believes.
    We believe in God/Eshwar, as he is every thing and every where but we don’t stick how He is worshiped.

  5. Dear Brother Deepak, Nimastay .
    Yes, there are hundreds of Hindus living adjacent to me and it is so ancient region that our Hindus brothers are residing in a large numbers.
    I would definitely show them this site so that they can speak their minds as well at Agniveer.com Site.

    • Thanks Jay Maheshwary Brother It will be great help to us, Pakistani Hindus should blog in Indian blogs and tell us how they are sticking to their Vedic Dharma even after threat to their life and Property it easy to stick to Vedic Dharma in positive conditions but sticking to Vedic Dharma even under most adverse conditions is very great thing.

      • Dear Brother Deepak,
        I appreciate, you have welcomed HINDUS from Pakistan to write something about our Vedic Dharma on this brilliant site of Sri Agniveer Jee.
        I will definitely tell them to write their views about themselves and our Dharma.
        I have several Hindu friends who are very much interested to know our Vedic Dharma and this is good thing that due to computer age, our Hindu Brothers have taken the advantage of it and they have launched many sites and commentaries on internet that help us a lot to know Sanatana Dharma and so as to let other people know what our Dharma is.
        That our Dharma is not Polytheism but a Monotheism if one studies deeply, he will find the both edges of God (One in Many & Many in One) as Perfect Accomplished Eternal Dharma. Every thing origins of Sanatana.
        Islam only teaches one aspect of God which only shows the path of disappearance and seems atheism. This is only in saying that Islam is Monotheism but actually in practices all Muslims do only KARAMKHAND, they don’t have any Spiritual back ground in their religion Islam.

  6. Brother Jay Maheshwary ,
    I think it is very difficult to know Eaaswar for you people forever. The way you are expressing about Eaaswar is difficult for a common man to understand. And 100% of people don’t have time to know about Eaaswar, you are calling people towards an impossible way. This is the reason 100% of Hindus are following false ways. Agniveer explained clearly about Eaaswar on this site.
    He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always.He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)
    I still wonder why you people instead of knowing that Eaaswar is One still worshiping 330 million Gods. When Eaaswar is formless, how you create image or Idol of Eaaswar and worship that Idol? When Eaaswar is Unborn, how you can say that Eaaswar is taking birth in every Yuga? You are mixing good with bad. Separate them and see, how Perfect the GOD is.
    Don’t tell Eaaswar exist everywhere. The power of Eaaswar exists every where but not the Eaaswar.
    See what Bagavad gita 9:4 say:
    maya tatam idam sarvam
    jagad avyakta-murtina
    mat-sthani sarva-bhutani
    na caham tesv avasthitah
    SYNONYMS
    maya–by Me; tatam–spread; idam–all these manifestations; sarvam–all; jagat–cosmic manifestation; avyakta-murtina–unmanifested form; mat-sthani–unto Me; sarva-bhutani–all living entities; na–not; ca–also; aham–I; tesu–in them; avasthitah–situated.
    TRANSLATION
    By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.
    It clearly says that GOD does not exist in everywhere and in all.
    Don’t make Eaaswar complicate to others, that is the reason why people running away from Hindus and converting to Christians and Muslims and various other religions.
    Abdullah

    • @Abdullah : you are a good guy with deficient understanding,that is all..
      obviously the “I” that you mention without understanding what it actually means, is not a form.An individual created being cannot house the “Entire” manifest and un-manifest (as ishwar is sat, chit and anand ie.truth,existence and bliss), he just imparts it to its creation which is by the ishwar.
      it is to be realized that one is permeated by ISHWAR both inside and outside(and this is applicable to all creation) to be one with him, but it would not mean that the being contains the ISHWAR.
      No one makes it complicated, it is simple, one just has to understand.
      Om Tat sat

  7. Dear Abdullah my Brother, my Friend,
    You are right, the Chapter-9; Verse# 4 where Bhagwan Krisna says to Devotee Arjuna in Bhagwat Geeta.
    By Me, in My un manifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.
    I make you understand what exactly above verse means; please just look at the last two clauses of above verse & think deeply i.e.
    All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.
    Now let me discuss it further to shed light on it.
    Suppose: You are a BODY———- Only ONE BODY——- OK.
    Now, for a while, consider this BODY contains entire Universe———— OK, don’t worry just suppose.
    There are TWO BACTERIAS residing in your BODY and discussing YOU (ABDULLAH) as Supreme Being.

  8. They both discuss that how we can experience ABDULLAH. Although they are inside of you, they can never see you (Supreme Being) perfectly, even after death as waste products.
    This is a big question for both of bacteria. So, we are limited bacteria in the big picture of this vast Universe like our body for bacteria.
    Your Body (Abdullah) actually contains- both manifested forms and un-manifested forms. I tell you how just see as under:
    Manifested Forms
    Stool (Solid Drainage) – Solid Matter
    Urine (Liquid Drainage) – Liquid Matter
    Air (Carbon dioxide- Gas Drainage) – Gas Matter
    Blood Vessels include Pure Water (Mother-Ganga)— Pure Air(Oxygen)— Pure Nutrients etc which produce Energy to Physical Body.
    Stool and Urine substitute earthly Canal of drainages (Gaters)
    Blood Vessels substitute Canals of all Drinking water as Rivers and Salts water as Oceans because blood contains both sugar and salt.
    Our Brain contains electrical impulses occur every second substitutes thundering light.
    Our whole body is identical to whatever matter exists in and out of universe. Our body is pure Universal and Universe but it is to be discovered.
    Un manifested Forms
    Emotions/Anger/Happiness
    Mind
    Intellect
    Concentration
    Meditation
    Consciousness
    Soul

  9. So, you carry all above inferior and superior attributes of matter and soul within your BODY but your BODY is not in them.
    Now you can say that I am every where or you can say, I exist in every above point because they contain within me, even you can feel pain and pleasure if any thing goes wrong within your body simultaneously.
    Both belong to ABDULLAH, similarly entire manifestations and un manifestations belong to Supreme Eshwar/Allah.
    Same as above verse explains at 9:4 in Bhagwat Geeta— All beings are in Me ( All above are in ABDULLAH)
    Same as above verse explains at 9:4 in Bhagwat Geeta—But I am not in them.( But ABDULLAH is not in them)

  10. For your 2nd objection as you said in your above post, please see as under:
    When Eaaswar is Unborn, how you can say that Eaaswar is taking birth in every Yuga?
    Please see Chapter No. 9 and Verse No. 11 from Bhagwat Geeta:
    avajananti mam mudha
    manusim tanum asritam
    param bhavam ajananto
    mama bhuta-mahesvaram
    SYNONYMS
    avajananti–deride; mam–Me; mudhah–foolish men; manusim–in human form; tanum–body; asritam–assuming; param–transcendental;bhavam–nature; ajanantah–not knowing; mama–Mine; bhuta–everything that be; maha-isvaram–the supreme proprietor.
    Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.

  11. Please also see other verses from Bhagwat Geeta as under:
    Chapter No.4 and Verses Nos.7 & 8.
    Verse# 7
    Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion–at that time I descend Myself.
    Verse# 8
    In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.

  12. Dear Abdullah Brother,
    Please study FIVE ELEMENTS (Panchi Karan) in details as given in Indian Shastras, you will know how beautifully this physical body described in relation with Microcosm and Macrocosm.
    Then, learn ATAMAN GYAN which is ETERNAL GYAN in and out of Universe.
    Before we understand Eshwar / Allah directly, we must understand our BODY/SELF.
    This is the correct way of loving God.
    BODY is the first LADDER, of which a human starts journey of Spirituality. Though, body is matter but a good start to know Eshwar or Allah.
    Specially a Human Body wherein God can be realized.
    If a person does not understand his BODY or his “SELF” then he would never know God.
    Chanting names of God, every other person does in every religion is not a proper Devotion to God, Pure devotion requires intellect and control over Body not only reciting.
    You know Abdullah, as you are repeating the quote of Vedas as Mr. Agniveer displayed on front page from Yajurveda 40.8.
    Since, you know very well that we know God is ONE. You also know, in spite of this, we believe in many or IDOLS.

  13. Please study Quantum Mechanics; you will know your answer. Particle is Dual and non Dual too .
    He Who is nothing but every thing.
    Now just take nothingness from above line and see as under:
    Nothingness means Zero———— Zero figure is infinite, eternal, absolute.
    Every thing means all —————- all again means Eternal.
    Where is ONE God in above Line?
    One God possesses sense of limitation.
    When we say ONE GOD, we will have to define Second God also, if figure 1 is there then Second God must exist and third God as well and so on many more.
    Zero is a STANDARD LEVEL like under:
    Descending -4-5-4-3-2- 1 (0) +1+ 2 + 3 + 4 Ascending so on;
    God can be at any figure out of above like Temperature(Heat Energy) is found different in various regions of Earth though Temperature can be 0 degree yet it is called temperature, though temperature can be 1, though it is called temperature, temperature can be 37 degree thought it is still called Temperature.
    God can not be measured based on one FIXED Figure— Either Zero or 1 or 2 or 3 even 33 Gods and Goddesses.
    One is also God, 0 is also God, 33 is also God and multi faceted is also God
    That’s why, Bhagwan Krisna emphasizes every time in Bhagwat Geet to Arguna that I am every thing. Please see verses from Bhagwat Geeta;
    Chapter 7, Verse 6
    Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both its origin and dissolution.
    Chapter 7, Verse 8
    O son of Kunti [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.
    Jai Sir Ram! Jai Sri Kisna!
    Danaywad!
    Jay Maheshwary
    From Pakistan.

  14. Dear Abdullah Brother,
    As you said in one of your statements from your above posts which I have mentioned as it is as under:
    It clearly says that GOD does not exist in everywhere and in all.
    Up to now, I am sure; you must have read my above posts about existence of Eshwar.
    But you mistook the understanding of Verses from Bhagwat Geeta that God does not exist in every where.
    You have only seen the translation from word to word, but what philosophy is hidden in the words spoken by Sri Krisna is as under:
    Actually Bhagwan Krisna says to Arjuna that Every thing is in Me but I am not in every thing.
    That does not mean, God does not exist every where.
    It means Krisna is not in Universe but Universe is in Krisna. While Universe is in Krisna it means, Krisna is every point of space even a far smaller than an atom. Like I explained you giving example of your Body.

  15. You know Abdullah, never say that Eshwar / Allah exists no where. It does exist every where, say like that.
    Your utterance reminds atheism like Atheists define God.
    If Dr. Zakkir Naik and people like you describe Eshwar / Allah in the way of Atheist, then certainly, Islam is Atheism (Nastika) not Monotheism unlike our Vedas explains omnipresent & omniscient which is Pure Monotheism.
    Because while a Muslim prays the Nimaz, by his act, he makes God disappear only by uttering
    Arabic verses, he doesn’t understand even what he is reciting. In addition to this, a Muslim has no way to understand Spirituality during their prayers.
    I have asked you many times in my above posts, Abdullah, please tell me what are the ways of understanding the ATMAN GYAN or SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT from your Quran and Hadiths. But you never answer my question.
    But please never steal, copy and mingle the ways from Vedic (Hinduism) about Spirituality like
    Asana(postures), Dherna(concentration), Dyana(meditation), activating disc Chakras 7 physical and 7 Astral. I want you to give us spiritual understanding of God from Quran.

  16. What are the steps to attain real spiritual salvation must be taken from Quran. But just don’t tell us tradition faith of Quran / Islam that one just gets Janat by praying 5 times a Nimaz with the faith of believing in prophet-centered and his Allah. Such as keeping faith, Allah is one and alone worshiped but Mohammed is the last prophet of Allah. This, I don’t want, because just praying to God 5 times a daily is simply a “KARAMKKHAND” which leads only to Planet Swarug- Janat (Heaven) but not Liberation. Attaining JANAT PLANET is not a Salvation, brother. Salvation means, experience of Eternal Supreme Being thorugh Dyana Practiceds with Self-esteem Controlling your all unnecessary desires and that Salvation or Liberation can only be obtained after breaking down the Cycle of Birth and Death and after this, you will eternally remain in the abode of God and will not need to take birth again and again, but from Janat, you will have to come back to this Birth and Death Planet- Earth.

  17. You know why I am telling this. Because there is a Pakistani Channel named as Indus TV.
    Where a person- Yogi Wajahat teaches Yoga Asana on this TV channel to Pakistani Muslims by questioning and answering through telephone and showing Tips of Yoga asanas but He never says to people on TV that it is an ancient science of India. He never says that this Yoga asan I am teaching is actually an essence of Hinduism/Vedic Dharma.
    Instead of this, he tries to explain Yoga Asana through Quranic ways, every thing is copied what Yoga of Hinduism yet he shows a contribution of Islam not Hinduism.
    Whereas this is all pertaining to Hinduism- why?—this plundering of our Vedic Wisdom.
    As I live in Pakistan, I have seen, many Muslims professionally adopting this VEDIC SCIENCE OF YOGIC PRACTICES and teaching many people in Karachi with the different brand name as Murakbad and Reki.

  18. Like Dr. Moizuddin is known as Mind Scientist in Pakistan and coming on TV shows and what he says all about are tips of Yogic perception of doing action in order disciplinary orders, but he explains it with different name that is Reki but he never says that this Reki is actually ancient discovery of Vedic Muni- Rishis/Sant/Mahatamas. He never say on TV, it belongs to Hinduism, instead of this, they are explaining deliberately from their Quranic and Hadith verses which is not justification with Hindus.
    After couple of centuries, they will surely include in their Quran and will try to demolish Hinduism through the same stolen wisdom knowledge of Vedic Culture as weapon on to Hindus that we are IDOL worshippers. Today I am saying, If all Hindus are Idol worshippers then why do these Muslims enjoy with their essence of Yogic practices and why don’t they regard it with Hindus.
    Because all Muslims all over the world, they change their Quran and Hadiths in order to make people convince easily towards Islam no matter whether by hook, crook, science, money, showing weaknesses of other’s religions & by stolen other’s wisdom. They are told to spread Islam by Mohammed but Mohammed never taught them to spread Spiritual Gyan, by which love spreads, but what Mohammed taght them, by which only fanatic and war spread over this mother earth.

  19. Be Careful all Hindu Brothers that no Muslim should explain our Vedic Wisdom under their brand name of Islam. We Hindus don’t mind if one Muslim takes advantages and benefits from YOGA SCIENCE and we don’t mind if one Muslim learns it. We are open it for them. Even we don’t want them to be Hindu as a term for being Muslim.
    While teaching this eternal gyan, should not represent our wisdom in the name of Islam but they must represent with thier original roots of Vedic Dharma/Sanatan Dharam/Hinduism.
    Many people in Europe and America think, this is merely an exercise way but most of the people now realizing it is something else which Hindu Vedic Wisdom.
    Because whatever wisdom, contains in Quran is also the copy past of Vedic Verses back in time, while at the time of Mohammed. Because Mohammed took all those verses especially from Judaism and Christianity and they both took from ancient Vedas which now they have also forgotten.

  20. So, remember, this is a global computer age and we should not let any Muslims chance to represent our practices in the name of Islam as it is happening right now on TV Channels like Dr. Moizuddin with Reki and Yogi Wajahat on Indus TV Channel.
    Jai Sri Ram! Jai Sri Krisna!
    best regards,
    Jay Maheshwary.

  21. Brother Jay Maheshwary,
    I am really sorry to say you that Muslims have nothing to do with YOGA. Since the way of praying Salah (Namaz). we came to know through only Prophet Muhammad(SAW). And note that Prophet Muhammad(SAW) never visit India anytime in his life. Also note that Qur’an was not copied from Bible or from Jews. Qur’an tells us that these books are corrupted. But Qur’an talks about four books mentioned by name, Jubur, torah, Injeel and Qur’an, But these books Jubur, Torah and Injeel does not exist today. If Qur’an copied from Bible and Judaism, then please note that Qur’an rejects the divinity of Jesus.
    You are still not clear in realizing GOD and i know you will never able to realize. But we Muslims believe in GOD and he is one, and we reject associating partners to him. But in your case it is different, you have given very big equation, which a common person not able understand or digest. Bcas you mix your own formula in it, but there is nothing like that in that verse. Also note that Shri Krishna is not a GOD.
    See what Shri Krishna saying to Arjuna.
    tam eva saranam gaccha
    sarva-bhavena bharata
    tat-prasadat param santim
    sthanam prapsyasi sasvatam
    SYNONYMS
    tam–unto Him; eva–certainly; saranam–surrender; gaccha–go; sarva-bhavena–in all respects; bharata–O son of Bharata; tat-prasadat–by His grace; param–transcendental; santim–in peace; sthanam–abode; prapsyasi–you will get; sasvatam–eternal.
    TRANSLATION
    O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode.
    Shri Krishna is not telling that by my grace you will attain peace, but through him (Supreme GOD).
    I don’t what kind of Gyan you are looking for? Qur’an clearly tells us what is to follow and what is prohibited. And how to live in every aspect of life. And Hadith of Prophet supports us additional knowledge.
    The better we have is that we realize that GOD is one and alone we should worship and follow him. But for you there is big confusion though the verse posted by Agniveer did not make any sense for you. It is a clear cut message, if you take it practically and follow. We don’t mix GOD and ourselves and the universe all in one. But we believe everything created by GOD and we need to follow what he ordered us, and that is the meaning of Muslim.
    Muslim means one who submits his will to the will of GOD. We already attain a higher level of knowing GOD and we don’t need any kind of YOGA practice. If some pakistan people are following YOGA, Go and stop them. Do you see any Pakistani doing Surya Namaskar?
    Brother, we don’t need any copy material, we got the revelation directly from creator.
    Abdullah.

  22. Do you think what Agniveer and his team written is correct and we Muslims world need to accept those false allegations? Let us have a small test which is the word of GOD and which one is false.
    Let us throw all Qur’an and Vedas into sea, except keep a copy of Qur’an with you and copy of Vedas with us. Now Muslims don’t have Qur’an with them and Hindus don’t have Vedas with them.
    Now you make the copy of the Vedas as it is by taking help of your Pandits of world and check with Vedas we have. We also make the copy of Qur’an by taking help of our Huffas and you can check with the Qur’an you have. Let us agree whichever books comes into exist exactly as it is without having a single word mistake is the book of GOD.
    You will never be able to do this? Since there is no single person in this world who knows Vedas completely. At the same time we have millions of Qur’an Huffaz, who can make millions of copies of Qur’an as it is without a single word mistake and you can check it with the copy of Qur’an you have.
    I will give you time till Qayamat to bring a single person who can read Vedas completely without seeing and without a single mistake. Will you able to do that?
    Think before making any false allegations. What Agniveer and his team writes don’t have any value and we Muslims don’t care for their false allegations.
    One of your Famous Pandit who convert to Islam.
    Acharya Sanjay Dwivedi converts to Islam!
    http://o3.indiatimes.com/converts/archive/2006/12/04/2855504.aspx
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdts-pxukc
    Abdullah.

  23. Abdullah Brother the most brilliant Muslim of India APJ Abdul Kalam has accepted Hinduism and following Vedic life style Vegetarianism and Brahamacharya and the examples you have given of some pandits nobody even knows them whereas everbody knows Kalam and other thing you have forgotten is Vedas are preserved through Oral recitations not through book format so even if you throw all Vedas many people will recreate it in original format.

    • Abdullah I forgot to ask you there are 2 Hafiz one Shia Hafiz and second Sunni Hafiz if we throw Koran in sea which Koran will be reproduced Shia or Sunni Koran.

  24. @ Abdullah, since you were a Hindu earlier, how much of Vedas did you learn ? what made you reject vedas and accept Islam ( I am sure you dont know arabic , just like me) how come you know a foreign book better than something which your accesstors have been following…. how come a ex hindu accepts a Human Mortal ( Mr Mohammed) as a supreme authority, How come the other Abrahamic personalities liks Adam, Moses, Jesus loose relevance compared to Mr Mohammed…… Most important Abrahamic God looks very stupid who kept on sending messengers and his messengers kept on loosing the messages ( about 750000 messengers plus ) and sorry to say even the Last messenger god chose was a illiterate who could not even write down messages from the supreme almighty……looks like God deliberately wants his messages to be lost, corrupted or is their a human play in telling other messages were corrupted mine is right?……..if I were you abdullah I would have rather remained hindu or become atheist cause either i belive god or dont belive but beliving in Humans specially with loose charaters is the last thing i want to do on earth.

    • Dear Brother Abdullah,
      You said that if we get all copies of Quran and Vedas sunk into Sea and after that you will keep a copy of Quran with you and one copy of Vedas we will keep with us.
      In this way no further copies of both will exist in the World. Isn’t it? Sure!
      Before I tell you something about History of India in view of Test on Vedas’ Oral Preservation up to now, I would throw some lights on below points:
      You might have heard Sanskrit words——— “SHRUTI” & “SMRITI”.
      Shruti means Heard within Brain/Heart.
      Smriti means remembered within library/Literatures/books.
      Shruti has had importance in Vedic Culture since a long time. You know why? Hearing of Mantras of Vedas belong to proper “PRONUNCIATION” but a writing never provides you that much accuracy in accent.

  25. Tradition of reciting Mantras orally has always been a strong in VEDIC CULTURE as old as 12000 years.
    Astronomical time period of Vedas shows 10.8 Millions old.
    Naturally and Universally Vedas are ever FRESH with no specific time.
    They are absolute, unchangeable, irrevocable, impossible to re create.
    Vedas are repeated by Super Natural Divine Being just as upon each creation and annihilation of Universes.
    Vedas are Eternal Principals of Spiritual Being created for Human Beings to lead life accordingly.

  26. Since, Eshwar knows that “SHRUTI (Hearing oral recitation) is only a way to preserved Vedas in its Original Form. That’s why, those Sapta Rishies(7 Rishis) who “HEARD” the VEDAS from every Corner of Universe while they sat in long meditation of Austerity in the lap of Himalayas in various places and they heard this divine Vedas through the FORMLESS DIVINE BEING as with the Sound of “OM”. “OM is not a Word or Letter but a “SOUND” and Sound relates with SPEECH- SHRUTI and Shrutis are VEDAS (Verbal Recitations). Vedas are not man-made, they were only heard to have been preserved till TODAY through Shrut- a Verbal act of Hindus.
    My dear friend, even Judaism and Christianity learnt up the way of reciting their verses from ancient Vedic Brahma Gyani People. As due to a very nature of their own scriptures were actually from VEDAS through ancient Vedic Brahma Gyani Muni-Rishies.

  27. So, only a Brhama Gyani man knew in that age, how importance of Shruti- Oral recitation in Vedic religious rituals is in the world than any body. Since, Jesus learnt “BRAHMA GYAN” from Kashmiri Hindus, pls visit the site of “LOST YEARS OF JESUS CHRIST” ( the years he led in India’s Northern Kashmir with Hindu Pundits were 18 years of his life).
    Mohammed never came to India, how sure you say like that. But It is sure that many of indigenous and learned people of India used to visit to Middle East, Egypt, Greece, Asia Minor (Turkey) time after time and these groups of Brahma Gyani did not visit not for the purpose of making them Vedantic but only to provide them JIV GYAN- a knowledge of Vidas. They never made their Flag capturing and conquering other’s lands. If they had wanted, they would have made whole world VEDIC but they were generous people unlike barbaric Muslims.

  28. Like today US and Europe as WEST are known as higher learning centers for the people of World. Similarly, India was known as EAST for a higher learning center as “TAKSHAHSHILLA UNIVERSITY ”(Now in Pakistan with altered name TAXILA) & “NALANDA UNIVERSITY” in Bihar-India thousands years ago.
    Over time, every body has forgotten their AUWQAAT.
    But Mohammed had 12 Supha Rashdin who were they? This is big question- listen Abdullah carefully, Mohammed used to take advices from them and he learnt from the same group of Brahma Gyani People as the Vedas as those in his own locality and mixed many of his own ideas for his own people’s convenience which is now Quran and Hadiths.

  30. Quran is a mixture of Jews, Christian, and some of direct Vedic influences of verses found in Quran but indirectly camouflaged those versed by Mohammed’s own words so that no one can say that Mohammed had taken them from those groups of Brahma Gyanis who simultaneously existed in Arab. Mixture is in sense that Mohammed mentioned many stories from past of Jews and
    Christians traditionally from Jews and Jew traditionally and anciently took every thing from Brahma Gyani People from India.
    Mohammed was a Hindu (A Pagan) before he had brought a new branded religion as Islam. He was from a Kuru-vansh( over time word got corrupted as Kuresh) whose predecessors were actually from KURU family of India’s famous historical “MAHABHARATA” where after the end of Mahabharata, remaining Kuru families left Bharata and crossed the Himalayas to settle with the same Vedic religion in new lands that are now known as Arabic Areas including Egypt, Suadi-a Arab, Iraq & Iran etc.

  31. Even the name of Mohammed is pure Sanskrit based———– see as under:
    Moha——- in Sanskrit—— it means a follower of matter (maya) going after temporary pleasures like Janat etc or Materialist.
    Mad——– in Sanskrit——–it means drunk, to wish for, desirous, to be sleepy, to lament for materialism.
    Elah or Allah is also a Sanskrit name that in Vedic Dharma, Mother Goddess possesses 3 different names, Elah- Aka-Amba. Moreover, that at the time of Abu Sufian who was a Pandit of Shiva Temple(now Kaaba) was murdered by Mohammed destroying 360 Idols of Vedic Cultures in Shiva Temple(Kaaba) these vedic people were also famous with name of Pagans in Arab.
    You daily take the name of our Mother- Goddess –Amba who is indirectly worshipped by world’s muslims as Mata Amba or Aka or Elah Mother(Allah).

  32. Jay Maheshwary,
    Why can’t you try in Bollywood? You have very good script for making a historic movie, and definitely you will win a Oscar Award. Best of Luck.
    Abdullah

    • Great idea!
      Jay, make a film and take abdullah as a comedian. film will get oscars for best movie and abdullah will get for best comedian.

  33. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    Now we come to the original point of destroying all copies of Vedas and Quran into Sea as you said in your above post.
    Only each of us has one copy of Vedas and one copy of Quran, right!
    Please note India has already undergone this TEST PROCESS which is similar to one you said above but difference is only Sword Waves instead of Sea Waves.
    Please see under:
    Let us discuss the short history of India. Though it is too long, but I would make it short.
    India was ruled over by Muslims mover over 800- 900 years (715 AD to 1707 AD), yet Vedas Survived in India, you know why?
    —- Reason— Vedas are still survived just due to the wisdom of Hindu oral recitation of Vedas of Mantras as SHRUTI.
    India has tolerated prejudices from Muslim invaders more than 60% (800-900years) length of time period of birth of Islam1400years ago.

  34. Muslims invaded India with their major purpose of spreading their Religion ISLAM- yet Hindus are survived with their Vedas till Today.
    Muslims did whatever they could do in past to destroy Vedic Notion and their people by saying Idol believers(Bootparst) but they could not make whole of India as Islam; instead, still Vedas survive in India.
    Muslims tried their best to represent their namely & hollow Monotheism – Mohammadism to Hindus by saying we are idol believers and to weaken our faiths and disturbed the whole Indian peaceful people.
    India’s murder of Shastras/Literatures/Art/Cultures/people/priests/women/men/children/localists/rishis/saints/munis/leaders/kings all happened during Muslims rule.
    Yet Vedas survived.
    India saw many dilemmas and difficulties as Islam has never encountered yet. What ever Islam is facing problems right now, is because of Islam’s karam (action) which is being filled with Sins and one day when Sin of Islam will be filled in completely will be the end of barbaric laws.
    India never hijacked any of country’s land yet India is happy within its own left over land and Vedas.

  35. India was fought, conquered, defeated by Swords and by Force yet Islam could not win the hearts of Hindus and could not wipe out Vedas. India can only be conquered by love what Vedas teach Hindus.
    If India had wanted, it could have made whole world Vedic but people of India who visited to every region of world only spread love and vedic wisdom but never looted and never made their own country flag.
    but Islam demanded frequently another land for Muslims after couple of years living on any land of this world. Because, they are selfish.
    Greek’s Army invaded India before Muslims, so, Aleksandra the Great took Indian Shastras by his Ship to Greece 2000 years ago but still Vedas survived in India.
    British colony ruled over India from 1857 to 1947. Finally India got independence in 1947.

  36. Now Abdullah tell me. Was Saudi-a-Arabia undergone in any of above miserable hard circumstances as India faced?
    Was any Muslims’ country was hijacked by Hindus ever in History out of India?
    Was India looted any country and slaved them because of spreading Vedic Dhrama?
    Had any Muslim country tolerated a such lengthy period of prejudices and discriminations on his own native land?
    Has your Quran ever undergone such invaders continuously like Vedas experienced and underwent its testing period?
    Vedas have already shown compassion and tested their examinations many times that world knows history of India how India was plundered by Muslims.
    History of India is self-explanatory to the Testing of Vedas, even after much cruelty, brutality, betrayal, viciousness, destroying Hindus temples/literatures—-
    VEDAS exist in its own originality just because of ORAL PRACTICES of Vedas.
    Tell me about testing period of Quran.
    Jai Sri Ram!- Jai Sri Krisna!
    Best regards,
    Jay.

    • @ jay Maheshwari
      Brother, first of all I salute you for the knowledge you have regarding sanatan dharm, inspite of living in a barabaric and intolerant country like Pakistan.
      Secondly, a humble request to you not to waste your energy on this brain-dead Abdullah. The crux of this discussion is – We have lost him to a 1400 yr old nomadic book. Thats it ! he is beyond repair.
      The lure of 72 virgins is too tempting for him to leave Islam. Infact, if you follow all his comments on this site, you would conclude that the only reason for him to accept Islam is the short-cut to Jannat, where he can have his share of Hooris and charming boys with wine. Nothing else !
      If you give it a second thought, its good that people like Abdullah have converted to Islam. You will see that all the Perverts have fascination for Islam considering the sexual raunches it promises, be it on earth or in Jannat. eg. Mahesh Bhatt’s fascination for Islam is manifest. So much so that he shared dais with Zakir Naik to protest against his ban in UK & Canada. Now, this Pimp (Mahesh Bhatt) has been on record saying if Pooja Bhatt hadn’t been his daughter, he would have married her ! Guess what, had Islam permitted marriage with own daughter apart from marrying daughter-in-law, this idiot would have converted to Islam to marry her. In short, Islam is a safe haven for all the perverts of the world !

  37. Brother Jay Maheswary,
    First tell me the history of VEDAS from the beginning. Can you provide the complete details from the start of this world and up to date. From the day the Men or women born in this world.
    And also give me the reasons why other religions born despite VEDAS presence.
    Abdullah

  38. Dear Brother- Abdullah,
    Today, I tell you the deep knowledge of Vedas in one Chain of Line and then I would discuss it in details, what this existing Earthly history of Vedas is and why other religions born if Vedas already exist.
    In order to understand the philosophy of Indian Wisdom, one has to keep with oneself an Infinitive Process of Line.
    That line is as under——:-
    Begin-End——Begin-End—- Begin-End—– Begin-End—– Begin-End—– Begin-End—– Begin-End—– Begin-End——- Begin-End—– Begin-End —–so on—–
    Above is a Chain of “Creation—Annihilation” or “Begin—End” ——- Vedas are Eternal Gyan—- repeated upon each Cyclic in Begin-End with everlasting chain of God continuously. Just as God is unlimited, His Creation / Annihilation are also unlimited.
    Each “Begin-End” is one BEAD of this Eternal Chain.
    Each BEAD of this Eternal Chain undergoes billions of years, though it is a short period for Eashwar/Allah but for a Human, it is a huge time.
    Each BEAD of “Begin-End” is actually Creation-Annihilation which is known as Maya (illusion) a Virtual Reality but not an Actual Reality.
    Actual reality is only Eshwar / Allah / God.

  39. Now Brother, understand what I say.
    Jews / Christians / Muslims / Hindus / Buddhists / Jains / Sikhs believe in the same Eshwar / Allah / God. There is only difference of understanding the destiny.
    Jews/Christians/Muslims believe in only one BEAD of everlasting Chain as I have shown above as the closed end “Begin-End”, right!
    Jews/Christians/Muslims are not provided deep knowledge of Vedic Gyan and that’s why, they can not see the Raw of Beads, only they see one Bead at one side.
    Please also try to see your left and right an unending line is going.
    Whereas we Hindus, including Buddhists, Jains & Sikhs believe in the everlasting Chain of Beads not only in one Bead alone.
    Cycle is not happening in ice to water to gas and not only human to animal and animal to human as re-birth but also A CYCLIC PROCESS takes place in a Complete above Line representing each of beads as one Universe.
    Can you eat only one day? Don’t you eat food until you pass away? After you pass away, again you come on this earth to enjoy and suffer as per yr deeds you did.
    Allah / God / Eshwar has not only created this existing Universe for one time but He has also created and annihilated several times long before us same as in the everlasting Chain of Beads.
    & this chain never stops was going on before us———— is going on————- will be going on!!!!!!!!!!!!
    In this way, VEDAS are CYCLE and they are repeated by God upon each of Beads in unending Chain of creation and destruction.
    So, Vedas are Eternal with no time.
    Now we will discuss existing earthly history of VEDAS as under:
    Adam & Eve were created from Clay/Dust and water only for one time and then we are off springs coming from Adam and Eve’s generation to generation and after the end of this universe as doom’s day, every thing will be judged by Eshwar / God / Allah and those who will be Muslims will be punished temporariy and then as per promise done by Allah to Mohammed for Mulsim Umma, will be entered into JANAT/Heaven and all non muslims will be put into everlasting burning Hell.
    Then, tell me, Abdullah, what will happen after all this. Do you think, your Allah will go on for ever resting holidays and then he will not create any thing more?
    I mean— the one bead of creation was created only for Muslims not for Prani (JIVA) not for Roots (Tatv).

  40. As per Islam, the game of creation and annihilation will stop for ever or the Muslims those who entered into Janat, will be doing what for ever or they will be leading bodily comfort life because Janat is a planet where more or less the same things will be served you as per your deeds in the same manner as Mohammed compared with Earthly comforts..

  41. If every thing will shut down, how will God look like. If creation and destruction will stop then, why did God create us only in once.
    How will you think, if you have to take breath only once as inhale and exhale?
    Why do yo repeat your breaths every after seconds?
    If Spring season has to appear only one time, then why does Spring come again?
    If 4 seasons are repeated each year then why shouldn’t beads of Universe repeat?
    Very nature of every things is CYCLE. We don’t observe. Don’t believe what I say.
    Just observe the COSMOS- Study the lives of Stars, you will know how they transform from Star into a new object after a death of star like from Star to Black hole/Supernova/Planetary nebulae again.

  43. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    Now Tell me about your views on CYCLE as I explained it to you, then we will discuss your another question about existing earthly time period of VEDAS.

  44. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    I am quoting your below lines from your above one of posts, pls see;
    TRANSLATION
    O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode.
    “Also note that Shri Krishna is not a GOD.
    Shri Krishna is not telling that by my grace you will attain peace, but through him (Supreme GOD)”.
    Jay replies: Now please see below verses from Bhagwat Geeta:
    Chapter 9, Verse 17.
    I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support, and the grandsire. I am the object of knowledge, the purifier and the syllable om. I am also the Rg, the Sama, and the Yajur [Vedas].
    Chapter 9, Verse 18.
    I am the goal, the sustainer, the master, the witness, the abode, the refuge and the most dear friend. I am the creation and the annihilation, the basis of everything, the resting place and the eternal seed.
    Chapter 9, Verse 19.
    O Arjuna, I control heat, the rain and the drought. I am immortality, and I am also death personified. Both being and nonbeing are in Me.
    Dear Abdullah, Above 3 verses prove that Sri Krisna is Himself God in Human Form as
    He descended 5000 years ago. So, Bhagwat Geeta is a WORD of Eshwar – Bhagwan Krsna.

  45. Now also please see your another quote which I am repeating below:
    I don’t what kind of Gyan you are looking for? Qur’an clearly tells us what is to follow and what is prohibited.
    Jay replies: It would be kind enough of you, if you tell us what kind of Spiritual Gyan is mentioned in your Quran that you follow:
    But please don’t jus tell me through Nimaz. Nimaz is daily prayer comprising of 5 times which is only a Karamkhand Devotion, by which you can be rewarded accordingly by God or maximum- Swarg (Janat), but Janat is not a NIJAD of this Maya/Body. Janat is not a name of Liberation. I am talking about highly structured Gyan which can lead you to link with God not to link with luxurious Janat Planet.

  46. Further you said as below:
    Do you see any Pakistani doing Surya Namaskar?
    Not in Pakistan but all of Muslims follow altered way of Surya Namaskar and Touching Mother-Earth Namaskar by submitting their body limbs daily in 5 times of Nimaz.
    Surya Namaskar (Nimaz) is a part of Yoga which is only a Pooja in daily routine of KARAMKHAND DEVOTION as per Vedic Culture facing towards EAST as the Sun rises in the East. This is an un broken traditional way of Hindu Civilization to glorify the Sun.
    But an individual Hindu is free to face for his prayers in any direction where he suits to meditate on Supreme Being.
    Because Eshwar is every where in any of directions at any time which is a core belief of Vedic Dharma.
    The same way of Pooja of salutation to Sun, a glorification to the Sun which was taught by Brahma Gyani People to Jews in Jerusalem long before Islam.
    They also taught Jews to touch all body limbs to Mother- Earth during Surya Namaskar (Nimaz) i.e. Star god.
    Thus, Jews used to worship Moon God as well in Kaaba—the reason you still believe moon by means of Eid festivals as Islamic Calendar.
    This Surya Namaskar and Mata Namaskar underwent with changes as time passed on.
    When Mohammed fought Meccanian with his Army, hed hijacked Kaaba from the hands of Jews and Pagans.
    Bait-ul-Muqasid was the first Qibla for Muslims before Kaaba—– this is the first changing
    Mohammed flip every thing against what Vedic Practices already existed there with Jews like Surya prayer’s direction from East to only Kaaba.
    Like circumambulating Kaaba from clock wise to anti-clockwise, Killing animals, not believing in Idol worship, so over time, Suryanamaskar Yoga Practice got changed slightly due to hatred with Vedic People. But still spots of evidences are found in Muslims practices of prayers and kissing Black Stone outside of Kaaba was actually a Shiv Linga.

  47. Dear Brother Abdullah,
    God is free from all bonds.
    God is free from all times,
    God is free from all directions.
    God is free from all places,
    God is free from all ways of prayers. God is free from all Mayavic illusions.
    Because a Muslim worships a “Disappearance” in his Nimaz. Make your Nimaz Spiritual also.
    All Muslims are praying to Allah as focal point to Kaaba in one direction. This doubts a Shirk which a Muslim never observes.
    Why is Allah not worshiped as FOCAL POINT but a Kaaba.
    Why is Allah not worshiped as DIRECTION but a Kaaba.

  48. We Hindus, ultimately meditate on Eshwar / Allah as Focal Point & Eternal Direction of Liberation.
    You must have seen a Rishi many times meditating on God where there is no Idol in front of him.
    You can see clearly that Idol worshiping in Hinduism is not as strict as Kaaba (A Building) for Muslims for prayer as an object.
    Can a Muslim give up this Kaaba direction for his Nimaz at least for one day. Abdullah, will you do it like that?
    But a Hindu has no obstacles to meditate God / Eshwar / Allah at any place, in any direction, at any time.

  49. Jay dear after so much of explanation, I am sure ex hindu abduallah will have no words , instead he will make a mockery by saying why doing to write fantasy books or movies…. all muslims are same , they all are happy with mohammed permitting them to have multiple wives legally and multiple sex slaves……..after all all men are similar, not happy with one wife , go for experimenting with more wives and get a screwed up life… this is demonstrated well in Ramayana and Mahabharata…. instead of taking lessons from such great epics , every muslim starts justifying sexual acts of mohammed…..I was surprised to know mohammed had sex with his wife’s maid in her absense, if he was that desperate he already had 8 more wife to manage his desperation , instead he justifies with a verse from God. this sounds as if God was a broker to meet all mohammeds needs… sorry for the harsh words

    • Pradeep,
      Can you provide single evidence where Prophet Muhammad(SAW) had illegal sex with anyone or he rape anyone? The People of Makkah who rejected prophet Muhamamad(SAW), did they ever claim that Prophet had illegal sex or rape some one? Can you provide any authentic source or hadith?
      Don’t make any false claims without any authentic resource.
      What about Shri Krishna, how many wifes he had? Why he need 16,000+ wifes? Other than this how may girl friends he had? Why he asked Gopikas to come out from water raising their hands when he stolen their clothes? Being a GOD(according to you) he want to see their naked private parts?
      Please look into your own books.

      • @ abdullah , just read articles at agniveer , all of them have already been quoted with authentic references…
        between can you please answer my single question
        According to Islam how many wifes can you have? and do provide authentic reference to the answer you provide

      • Pradeep,
        Here is the reference:
        If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (Qur’an 4:3)
        A Muslim man can marry up to 4 women. That is the option Allah had given to us. At that same time Allah also warns us that if we don’t deal with them Justly, then it is better for us to marry only one women.
        Abdullah

      • @ Abdullah, does the above verse say you can have 4 wives for the life time or 4 wives at a time ( after divorcing 4 , can marry another 4?) can you please provide more details

      • Pradeep,
        We can have 4 wives at a time. If we divorce 4 of them, then we can marry another four. I am having only one wife and I am happy with her and I want to stay with her till my death. Bcas I cannot dealt justly with more than 1 wife.
        Abdullah Reddy

  50. Brother Jay,
    Many things you have explained are without evidence. Please provide evidence with Vedic verses. At that same time Bagavad Gita verses conflict with each other, according the verse i have quoted, it is saying that Shri Krishna is not God, and according to the verse you have given they are confirming Shri Krishna is GOD. We need analyze what is true. Both cannot be true. If Both are true then the Bagavad Gita is an authentic book.
    We Muslims don’t worship Idols. Kaaba is only direction for the Muslims for praying. Where ever Muslims living in this world, they should turn towards that direction and pray. In India also we are praying towards the direction of Kaaba, but when we pray there is no Kaaba Idol or Picture in front of us, if we kept any Idol of Kaaba or Picture and pray, then definitely you can call us Idolaters. But you won’t find nothing like that. If you argue with the same statement, then i cannot do anything, it is up to you.
    Please provide solid reference regarding rebirth, don’t give your own explanation.
    I have lot of questions but please explain the things with references from authentic sources, then only the comments have some weight.
    Abdullah.

    • Al Baqarah
      Surah 2. The Cow
      [2:28]
      Arabic:
      Kayfa takfuroona biAllahiwakuntum amwatan faahyakum thumma yumeetukumthumma yuhyeekum thumma ilayhi turjaAAoona
      English:
      How can ye reject the faith in Allah? Seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life and again to Him will ye return.
      Note: The scholar who translated this was a devout Muslim, fluent in Arabic and could recite the Quran by heart. I take it you sir, Abdullah, cannot do so but rely solely on Zakir Naik for your Islamic stimulation.
      Salkia
      “Satyameva Jayate.”

      • Al Baqara 2:28 How can you refuse to acknowledge Allah [when your very existence is a living evidence of the Creator. There was a time when you were a thing not worth mentioning (76:1)] You were lifeless and He it is Who gave you life [and made you worthy of being addressed as ‘you’ (32:9)] Then He will cause you to die and then bring you back to life again whereupon unto Him you will be made to return. (40:11, 7:25, 22:66, 26:81, 30:40, 45:26, 71:17-18) (2:281, 10:56, 32:11)
        Here da reference is 2 da judgement day n not da rebirth………

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