Similarities in Islam and Vedas

Shame on Times of India………..
We all must spread awareness of Times of India and must boycott this paper as much as we all can…
Hari OM!!

GOOD ONE Once Again….

great as usual.. fully agree abt times of india issue that a brother said above..

Baba ramdev yoga teacher recently said he was happy abt Nepal and he loved Nepal as he held a yoga camp there.He praised it bcoz it was a Hindu country.He said he will gift 40000 cows and bulls as a gift to our brothers in nepal so that they can enjoy the milk .
And guess wat the headlines were in Times OF India
Saffron Clad Hindu Baba and politician Baba ramdev wants to gift cows to Nepal.
Please let me know toi wat has SAFFRON COLOUR AND POLITICS got to do with wat he was doing.?
Dirty yellow journalism.
funded by sickular christian missionary “TIMES OF INDIA”.
Again this article was awesome.There is no questioning this article.
The taqiya masters were in work again by claiming there is no rebirth in vedas I guess.
ROFLMAO.
And finally thanks to the Agniveer team , u r indeed doing a great job.After reading the articles in ur site It has bcome so easy to bash and thwart the muslim idiots in debates on other discussion forms.Specially as a proof u provide the correct translations of vedas which is very good.
Indeed u r doing a fab job.

Namaste agniveerji
your this article was like ” gagar me sagar”
you made clear like “doodh ka doodh aur panni ka panni.
Now who says Agniveer is spreading voilence .
Dhanyawad.

Shame on Times of India… thanks to the Agniveer team

There are verses in the Bhagavad Gita which clearly state that there is rebirth.
BG.2.13
dehino ‘smin yathā dehe
kaumāraḿ yauvanaḿ jarā
tathā dehāntara-prāptir
dhīras tatra na muhyat
TRANSLATION
As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change.
BG.2.20
na jāyate mriyate vā kadācin
nāyaḿ bhūtvā bhavitā vā na bhūyaḥ
ajo nityaḥ śāśvato ‘yaḿ purāṇo
na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre
TRANSLATION
For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.
BG. 2.22
vāsāḿsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya
navāni gṛhṇāti naro ‘parāṇi
tathā śarīrāṇi vihāya jīrṇāny
anyāni saḿyāti navāni dehī
TRANSLATION
As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.
BG. 2.27
jātasya hi dhruvo mṛtyur
dhruvaḿ janma mṛtasya ca
tasmād aparihārye ‘rthe
na tvaḿ śocitum arhasi
TRANSLATION
One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament.
This is just a glimpse. The essense of the Vedas and Upanishads, which is the Bhagavad Gita clearly states throughout its text that there is rebirth and there is a cycle of birth and death.
It is unfortunate that Bhagavad Gita is not taught to people who are born in the land where the Gita was spoken whereas this book is respected as the topmost scripture all over the world.

For details on the essence of vedic scriptures, Go to:
http://vedabase.net/

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http://www.ariseindiaforum.org
http://absolutetruth.in/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/

Re-incarnation Changing Bodies-I
Introduction
Many people often talk about how out of body experiences do change the conception of a man completely. A learned professor quoted,” “In my work, I’ve found that the natural ego doesn’t like to die. But if you go through it [a near-death experience], you seem to cross the threshold of death to quite a different reality.” Yes, of course, it is different. The experience is actually like that of a diseased person regaining his health. So now the question arises whether a person who is dead experiences a higher level of reality? The answer to this is very simple. It is in actuality not the person who has died, but the body. According to Vedic knowledge, the body is always dead. For example, a microphone is made of metal. When electric energy passes through the microphone, it responds by converting sound into electrical impulses, which are amplified and broadcast over loudspeakers. But when there is no electricity in the system, nothing happens. Whether the microphone is working or not, it remains nothing more than an assembly of metal, plastic, etc. Similarly, the human body works because of the living force within. When this living force leaves the body, it is said that the body is dead. But actually it is always dead. The living force is the important element; its presence alone makes the body appear to be alive. But “alive” or “dead,” the physical body is nothing more than a collection of dead matter. The first teaching of Bhagavad- Gita reveals that the condition of the material body is ultimately not very important.
asocyan anvasocas tvam
prajna-vadams ca bhasase
gatasun agatasums ca
nanusocanti panditah
“The Blessed Lord said: While speaking learned words you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.” [BG. 2.11]
The dead body is not the real subject for philosophical inquiry. Rather, we should concern ourselves with the active principle — that principle which makes the dead body move – the soul. So, how do we actually become aware of this force which is not matter, but which makes matter appear alive? Of course, we can intellectually appreciate this philosophy which contains the truth, of which there is no doubt. But how do we, make ourselves feel it?
How to Perceive the Soul
Actually, It’s a very simple matter. There is an active principle which makes the body move; when it is absent, the body no longer moves. So the real question is, “What is that active principle?” This inquiry lies at the heart of Vedanta philosophy. In fact, the Vedanta-sutra begins with the aphorism athato brahma-jijnasa — “What is the nature of the self within the body?” Therefore, the student of Vedic philosophy is first taught to distinguish the difference between a living body and a dead one. If he is unable to grasp this principle, we then ask him to consider the problem from the standpoint of logic. Anyone can see that the body is changing and moving because of the presence of the active principle, the soul. In the absence of this active principle, the body neither changes nor moves. So there must be something within the body that makes it move. It is not a very difficult concept.
The body is always dead. It is like a big machine. A tape recorder is made of dead matter, but as soon as you, the living person, push a button, it works. Similarly, the body is also dead matter. But within the body is the life force. As long as this active principle remains within the body, the body responds and appears alive. For instance, we all have the power to speak. If you ask someone to come near you, he will come. But if the active principle leaves his body, you may call him for thousands of years, but he will not come. This is very simple to understand
TO BE CONTINUED………….

Nameste dear Agniveer ji.May that ever living give U a long life.I am a science student.I love and respect swami Dayanandji.I am unable to agree upon three different parallel independendent entities Ish,Atma,Prakrity.Scienc itself is hinting that everything has evolved out of ONE by different ways.It shrinks to one and when expands, it expands to many. All truths ultimatly must melt in to One.
Nachiketa
shabdika

Thanks allah That no muslim is wasting his time in such fool activity …….every thing is crap ……I really respect Hindu religion but shit u have writen is all wrong pls have look in quran we belive in rebirth but not on the earth but in hell or heaven……..and if go through quran u will fine that allah is every where but still to get a feel how our prophet was living how he sacrified every thing to spread the msg of god —and pls dont spread wrong msg as mohummad (s.a) is gpd or part of gad ………the kalma means ….there is no god but allah and muhammad (s.a) is prophet or u can say servant of allah and we need to foolow muhammed (s.a) beacuse there were many more prophet who came in before him and they have their teaching given by allh according to the generation but as he was last prophet and there is not other prophet who is going come we have to follow his path or teh way he showed to us ………..brother the knowledge u have in not right and may be u can fool ur people with this but can give this shit to muslim beacuse we dont need u to clear our concept —–pls go throught ur vedas u will find sign of prophet muhammed (s.a) as kalki avtar and also sign of one god that is Allah which u guys never belive …….

@proud to be an idiot, if you even look at other posts you will see muslims getting ripped apart with their nonsense arguments, avatarism is denied in vedas so wtf are you on about muhammed as kalki avatar?

oh yeah and dont forget to give a reference for where vedas speak about muhammed and avatarism please.

dragunov says:
November 29, 2010 at 11:51 PM
oh yeah and dont forget to give a reference for where vedas speak about muhammed and avatarism please.
kindly share when islam or other religion was form what ishwar was doing?
Vedas talks about king stories where Ishwar is meniton?
imp question ?
If god could heal a blind person he happened to meet, then why not heal blindness?

areoh,
1. how should i know what ishwar was doing? am i ishwars father? he has given vedas for guidance so what can anyone do if you form your own religion? we all have free will.
2. vedas dont give any stories only practical application.
3.how exactly would god meet a blind person when he is already omnipresent? god doesnt work miracles mate he only gives as per each individuals karma dictates.

CONTINUED FROM PART I
Reincarnation Changing Bodies-II
Who Am I
So, till now we have understood something about an active principle which, due to its presence in the body, activates the body. But what exactly is this active principle? That is a separate subject matter, and the answer to that question is the real beginning of spiritual knowledge. We can understand the point made about the dead body – that there must be something within to make it alive. The only proper conclusion is that we are talking about two things — the body and the active principle. But now the real question arises in our minds, “How do we become aware of the active principle within ourselves as a direct experience and not simply as an intellectual conclusion? On the inner path isn’t it important to actually experience this deeper reality?”
Sometimes, people in this world face a problem called as ‘identity crises’. The problem is that people are not able to ascertain and understand what their identity is. The most probable replies from people regarding their identity is name, profession, age, relationships, nationality, caste, sex, etc. But we see that all of these are just designations which can be changed easily. Names, professions, nationalities, etc can be very easily changed. And nowadays even sex and castes are changes easily. All of these designations, which we refer to as our identity, are subject to many changes. But do we change? If my name changes tomorrow or some relationships change here and there, would that mean that I would be a different person? No! Then who are we? And what is our relationship with the ‘active principle’ which is being discussed here? Is there at all any connection? Read on to know the answer.
We must first of all understand that we ourselves are that active principle. The living body and the dead body are different. The only difference is the presence of the active principle. When it is not there, the body is called dead. So the real self is identical with the active principle. In the Vedas we find the maxim so ‘ham — “I am the active principle.” It is also said, aham brahmasmi: “I am not this material body. I am Brahman, spirit.” That is self-realization. The self-realized person is described in Bhagavad Gita. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati: when one is self-realized, he neither hankers nor laments. Samah sarvesu bhutesu: he is equal to everyone — men, animals, all living beings. But can one experience it?
Of course! How can one not experience it? He knows that he is the active principle. Everyone ultimately knows that they are not the body. Even a child knows it. We can observe this by examining the way we speak. We say, “This is my computer.”, “This is my book.”, “This is my finger.” And so on. That means that we and our computers, books and fingers are different. We also say, “This is my body.” This means I and my body are different. So what is that “I”? This is self-realization — “I am not this body.”
And this realization can be extended to other living beings. Why does man kill animals? Why give trouble to others? One who is self-realized can see, “Here is another self. He simply has a different body, but the same active principle that exists within my body is operating within his body.” The self-realized person sees all living entities with equal vision, knowing that the active principle, the self, is present not only in human beings, but within the bodies of animals, birds, fish, insects, trees, and plants as well. This is the level of understanding each person should strive to achieve. Now we move further; trying to more logically understand rebirth and related phenomena.
TO BE CONTINUED…………

agniveerji the day is nt very far when ppl ll cum back to our vedic dharma as its the absolute truth

CONTINUED FROM PART II ABOVE…………….
Reincarnation Changing Bodies-III
Reincarnation in this Life?
This seems to be the weirdest question on earth, especially after all that we have learnt till now. But it is possible. Sensing an adrenalin rush? Calm down. It is simple to understand. We must know that the active principle in our body is the soul itself, and the soul transmigrates from one body to another at the time of death. The body may be different, but the self remains the same. We can observe this change of body even within our own lifetime. We have transmigrated from babyhood to childhood, from childhood to youth, and from youth to adulthood. Yet all the while, the conscious self, or soul, has remained the same. The body is material, and the actual self is spiritual. When one comes to this understanding, he is called self-realized.
We are now arriving at a very decisive moment in the Western world, because for the first time in our history, people in Europe and America are starting to take seriously the inner experiences by which truth is revealed. Of course, in the East there have always been philosophers who have known the experiences by which death loses its terrifying character and becomes the threshold to a more complete life. People need this experience of overcoming their usual bodily habits. And if they can break through that bodily experience, they suddenly realize that quite a different principle is operating within them. They become aware of the “inner life.”
A sincere student of Bhagavad Gita automatically realizes that different principle, because he never thinks, “I am this body.” He thinks, aham brahmasmi — “I am spirit soul.” The first instruction given by Lord Krishna to Arjuna in Bhagavad Gita is this: “My dear Arjuna, you are very seriously considering the condition of the body, but a learned man does not take this material body, either dead or alive, very seriously.” This is the first realization on the path of self realization. Everyone in this world is very much concerned with the body, and when it is alive, they take care of it in so many ways. When it is dead, they erect grand statues and monuments over it. This is body consciousness. But no one understands that active principle which gives the body beauty and life. And at the time of death, no one knows where the real self, the active principle, has gone. That is ignorance.
A retired army officer states, “During World War I, when I was a young man, I spent four years at the front. I was one of two officers in my regiment who was not wounded. On the battlefield, I saw death again and again. I saw people standing just next to me get hit, and suddenly their life force was gone. All that was left….was a body without a soul. But when death was near and I accepted that I also might die, I realized that within myself was something that has nothing whatsoever to do with death….. This experience of war marked me very deeply. It was the beginning of my inner path.” Yes. This is self-realization.
Actually, In the Vedas it is said, narayana-parah sarve na kutascana bibhyati. If one is a God-realized soul, he is not afraid of anything. People all over the world have gone through experiences, which make them come closer to the path of self realization. There are so many people who went through the battlefields, concentration camps, bombing raids. And within their hearts they retain the memories of those moments when death was near, when they were nearly torn in pieces, and they experienced a glimpse of their eternal nature. But now it’s necessary to show people that they don’t need a battlefield, a concentration camp, or a bombing raid in order to take seriously those inner experiences when one is suddenly touched by a sense of divine reality and understands that this bodily existence is not the all and all.
TO BE CONTINUED…………….

SCIENTIFIC AWARENESS OF REINCARNATION : BASES FOR A NEW UNIVERSAL RELIGION
According to Dr. Granville Dharmawardena of Colombo University reincarnation may be defined as the re-embodiment of an immaterial part of a person after a short or a long interval after death, in a new body whence it proceeds to lead a new life in the new body more or less unconscious of its past existences, but containing within itself the “essence” of the results of its past lives, which experience goes to make up its new character or personality.
In the seventeenth century Rene Descartes divided everything in the universe into two realms as “Res Extensa” (matter) and “Res Cogitans” (mind). Gathering knowledge within the realm of Res Extensa was called Science and the phenomenon of reincarnation got pushed into the other realm Res Cogitans which was not considered suitable for scientific probing. Science developed in the framework of Res Estensa is known as “Classical Science”. Classical science had tremendous material achievements because it helped all round growth of technology which brought about prosperity to mankind. The air of frame work of Classical Science was blown out by Henry Becquerel in 1896 by the discovery of Radioactivity. The discovery of Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein in early 20th Century gave it further blow. The advent of Quantum Theory and the Uncertainty Principle did the rest. It is significant to note that Einstein’s discovery fall entirely within the frame work of Res Cogitans as it did not involve any experiments or measurements. Gravitation Force Theory of Newton is also an example of such observation and intuition work involving no experiments and measurements.
Modern Science enhanced man’s knowledge surpassing the restrictions imposed by the five senses and took us to hidden areas of nature and profound changes had been introduced in procedures of science. Our ability to understand everything by way of perceptible mental pictures is reduced and it became necessary to imagine models with components which behaved in ways that had no counterparts at all in the world familiar to us. In most cases mechanisms involved in these models not only are imperceptible but also consist of elements that operate in ways never known in the world that we actually experience through sensory inputs.
Modern science tied up the two realms, Res Extensa and Res Cogitans and made us to understand that they are not independent and cannot be completely studied independently. Within the establishment of modern science some of the aspects of nature that did not strictly adhere to the realm of Res Extensa, which were therefore earlier condemned as unbecoming of scientists to talk about have become respectable. Reincarnation falls into this category
Reincarnation is a very old belief and a large fraction of the world population believes it. For example Rene Descartes’ statement “What I have said is sufficient to show clearly enough that the extinction of the mind does not follow from the corruption of the body and also to give men the hope of another life after death” in 1641 confirms his belief in reincarnation. About 20 percent of those in the Western World whose religions shun reincarnation nevertheless believe it. According to opinion polls this percentage is rising.
Lisa Miller, Religion Editor of Newsweek says that Americans are becoming more Hindus. According to 2008 Harris Poll 24% of Americans say they believe in reincarnation
Steven J Rosen writes in The Reincarnation Controversy, Uncovering the Truth in World Religions (New Age Books) that belief in reincarnation allows us to see ourselves as architects of our own future. Rosen raises certain queries,‘ what is it that reincarnates from one body to another? Is it the soul? the mind? the intellect? To understand this we should suggest answer to these questions. We all know that there are four fundamental forces in the universe viz., gravitation force, electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force. I have written a paper entitled ‘Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator’ and presented it at the 1st International Conference on Revival of Traditional Yoga held in Lonavla Yoga Institute, Lonavla in January 2006. In this paper I have defined soul (individual consciousness), mind and body. According to this every point of action of Gravitational Force Field is individual consciousness or soul, electromagnetic force as the force of mind and weak and strong nuclear force as the gross material force which constitute physical frame of body.
Consciousness is All Intelligent and pervades everywhere. Although all other remaining three forces are also intelligent but they are subordinate to Gravitational Force. THIS DESCRIPTION WILL HELP TO UNDERSTAND ‘WHAT IS IT THAT REINCARNATES FROM ONE BODY TO ANOTHER.
According to Buddhism this is not the supreme atman or soul that ties one life to another, instead it talks about past lives as evolvement of consciousness, emergence of a new personality from the same stream of consciousness.
Reincarnation is not an exclusively Eastern precept. It is contained in some form in almost every major religion and mystical philosophy. Research indicates that it was an accepted doctrine, at least in some quarters, at the time of Christ, and is still an integral part of some sects of the Jewish tradition. The Bible contain no condemnation of the principle of reincarnation, and in fact, when Christ was asked when Elijah would return, he answered that Elijah had returned, referring to John the Baptist.
Sakina Yusuf Khan writes in an article A Night Of Forgiveness published in The Speaking Tree: “It (Shab-e-Barat) is also a festival associated with the dead. It is believed that the souls of the dead are set free on this night to visit their relatives.” What this indicates? This is a belief in reincarnation, of course in subtle body. Sadia Dehlvi also writes in her article Jesus In Islam published in The Speaking Tree (August 29, 2010) that both Islam and Christianity believe that Christ will return to destroy the Antichrist. This is affirmation to reincarnation although in some restricted sense.
It is clear from the above descriptions that both Islam and Christianity appear not to opposed to reincarnation. Of course, they don’t believe reincarnation in broader sense as Hindus do.
Unaccomplished activities of past lives are also one of the causes for reincarnation. Some of us reincarnate to complete the unfinished tasks of previous birth. The is evident from my own story of reincarnation:
“My most Revered Guru of my previous life His Holiness Maharaj Sahab, 3rd Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith had revealed this secret to me during trance like state of mine. This was sort of REVELATION.
HE told me, “Tum Sarkar Sahab Ho” (You are Sarkar Sahab). Sarkar Sahab was one of the most beloved disciple of His Holiness Maharj Sahab. Sarkar Sahab later on became Fourth of Spiritual Head Radhasoami Faith.
Since I don’t have any direct realization of it so I can not claim the extent of its correctness. But it seems to be correct. During my previous birth I wanted to sing the song of ‘Infinite’ (Agam Geet yeh gawan chahoon tumhri mauj nihara, mauj hoi to satguru soami karoon supanth vichara) but I could not do so then since I had to leave the mortal frame at a very early age. But through the unbounded Grace and Mercy of my most Revered Guru that desire of my past birth is being fulfilled now.”
I am one the chief expounder and supporter of Gravitation Force Theory of God. This is most scientific and secular theory of God. This is the Theory of Universal Religion. I have given Higher Theory of Everything. Sometimes back I posted this as comments to a blog on:
‘Fighting of the Cause of Allah by Governing a Smart Mathematics Based on Islamic Teology’
By Rohedi of Rohedi Laboratories, Indonesia. Rohedi termed my higher theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Some details are quoted below:
rohedi
@anirudh kumar satsangi
Congratulation you have develop the higher theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Hopefully your some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory are recognized by International Science Community, hence I soon read the fundamental aspect proposed by you.
I have posted my comments to the Blog of Syed K. Mirza on Evolutionary Science vs. Creation Theory, and Intellectual Hypocrisy. Syed Mirza seems to be a very liberal muslim. He responded to my comments as mentioned below.
“Many thanks for your very high thought explanations of God.
You said:
“Hence it can be assumed that the Current of Chaitanya (Consciousness) and Gravitational Wave are the two names of the same Supreme Essence (Seed) which has brought forth the entire creation. Hence it can be assumed that the source of current of consciousness and gravitational wave is the same i.e. God or ultimate creator.
(i) Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator, Source of Gravitational Wave is God”
Whatever you call it, God is no living God of any religion. Yes, when I call it “Mother Nature” is the God generated from all Natural forces and Gravitational force is the nucleus of all forces or we can presume that Gravitation is the ultimate guiding principle of this Mother Nature we call it non-living God unlike living personal God of religions. I can not believe any personal God would do so much misery created for its creation. Hence, only non-living natural God can explain everything in the Universe. When we think of any living personal God, things do not ad up!”
I have also discovered the mathematical expression for emotional quotient (E.Q.) and for spiritual quotient (S.Q.).
Austrian Scientist Rudolf Steiner says,
“Just as an age was once ready to receive the Copernican theory of the universe, so is our age ready for the idea of reincarnation to be brought into the general consciousness of humanity”.

CONTINUED FROM PART III
Reincarnation Changing Bodies-IV
Body = A Dream?
Many philosophers say that the body is like a dream. Have you heard that before? What does that practically mean? Actually, we can experience that every night. When we dream, our body lies on the bed, but we go somewhere else. In this way we all experience that our real identity is separate from this body. When we dream we forget the body lying on the bed. We act in different bodies and in different locations. Similarly, during the day we forget our dream bodies in which we traveled to so many places. Perhaps, in our dream bodies, we flew in the sky. At night we forget our waking body, and in the daytime we forget our dream body. But our conscious self, the soul, still exists, and we remain aware of our existence in both bodies. Therefore, we must conclude that we are not any of these bodies. For some time we exist in a certain body, then at death we forget it. So the body is really only a mental structure, somewhat like a dream, but the self is different from all of these mental structures. That is self-realization. In Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna says,
indriyani parany ahur
indriyebhyah param manah
manasas tu para buddhir
yo buddheh paratas tu sah
“The working senses are superior to dull matter; mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and he (the soul) is even higher than the intelligence.” (3.42)
Now, besides all these there is another concept called as the false ego which is present in the body and very much felt by all of us. A question may arise. What is this ‘false ego’? Is there something called as the ‘real ego’? If yes, then is this real ego the soul itself? The answer is yes. Yes, the soul is the pure ego. For instance, if someone has a eighty year- old Indian body, and has this false ego that thinks, “I am Indian,” “I am this body.” This is a misconception. Someday this temporary body will vanish and I’ll get another temporary body. It’s just a temporary illusion. The reality is that the soul, based on its desires and activities, transmigrates from one body to another.
Now, can consciousness exist apart from the material body? What do you think? As a matter of fact, yes. Pure consciousness, the soul, does not need a material body. For instance, when you dream, you forget your present body, but you still remain conscious. The soul, the consciousness, is like water; water is pure, but as soon as it falls from the sky and touches the ground, it becomes muddy.
Similarly, we are spirit souls, we are pure, but as soon as we leave the spiritual world and come in contact with these material bodies, our consciousness becomes covered. The consciousness remains pure, but now it is covered by mud (this body). And this is why people are fighting. They are wrongly identifying with the body, thinking, “I am German,” “I am English,” “I am black,” “I am white,” “I am this,” “I am that” – – so many bodily designations. These bodily designations are impurities. This is why artists sculpt or paint nude figures. In France, for example, they regard nakedness as “pure” art. Similarly, when you understand the “nakedness,” or true condition, of the spirit soul — without these bodily designations — that is purity.
TO BE CONTINUED…………………

CONTINUED FROM PART IV………….
Reincarnation Changing Bodies-V
Easy to Understand
In spite of having learnt so much, still why it appears to be so difficult to understand that one is different from the body? It is actually not at all difficult. You can experience it. It is only because of foolishness that people think differently; but everyone really knows, “I am not this body.” This is very easy to experience. I am existing. I understand that I have existed in a baby’s body; I have existed in a child’s body, and also in a boy’s body. I have existed in so many bodies, and now I am in an old man’s body. Or, for example, say you have now put on a black coat. The next moment you may put on a white coat. But you are not that black or white coat; you have simply changed coats. If someone calls you “Mr. Black Coat”, that is his foolishness. Similarly, in our lifetimes we have changed bodies many times, but we are not any of these bodies. This is real knowledge.
And yet isn’t there a difficulty? For instance, you may have already intellectually understood very well that you are not the body — but you may still have the fear of death. Doesn’t that mean you didn’t understand it by experience? As soon as you’ve understood by experience, you should have no fear of death, because you know that you can’t really die. Many people have such reservations, so to say, regarding understanding philosophical aspects. Experience is actually something that is received from a higher authority, from someone who has higher knowledge. Instead of you trying to experience for years and years that you are not this body, you can take the knowledge from God, or Krishna, the perfect source. Then you have experienced your deathlessness by hearing from a bona fide authority. That is perfect.
Therefore, the Vedic instruction is tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. “In order to get first-class experience of the perfection of life, you must approach a guru.” And who is a guru? Whom should I approach? I should approach someone who has heard perfectly from his guru. This is called disciplic succession. I hear from a perfect person, and I distribute the knowledge in the same way, without any change. Lord Krishna gives us knowledge in Bhagavad Gita, and we distribute the same knowledge, without changing it.
Over the past twenty or thirty years there has been a great awakening of interest in spiritual topics in the Western part of the world. But, on the other hand, if the scientists want to eliminate the human self, they are well on the way to doing it with their atomic bombs and other technical innovations. If they want to guide humanity to some higher goal, however, then they have to stop looking at man in a materialistic way through their scientific spectacles. They must look at us as we are — conscious selves. Only then there can be real peace. Looking at man in a materialistic way is the root of terrorism. People feel that this life is the only life one gets to live. So do what you want. This creates a psychology called as hedonism. Hedonism refers to the idea: do any damn thing you like as you have got only one life to live. This is where the problem starts. People should realize that there is much more to life than just mindless self-indulgence. If people just realize this basic understanding of life, the earth will rid itself of all negative elements of society. This is the power of real knowledge. And such concepts are not taught anywhere. Our education system today is a failure. Hardly is there any system which explains you these basic points. So please take full advantage of this website which has been specifically designed to educate the masses of the world and India in particular.

Nice website to earn money…and also well sponserd by anti-islamic agents..it seems..why don’t you highlight good things about vedas..why r u talking against about islam..it seems u r paid propaganda website…u is paying you…???u r spoiling the names of Vedas…shame..Shame..

Please go this link for the entire scientific explanation on re-incarnation.
http://agniveer.com/forum/hinduism/reincarnation/#p36

Dear Brother who wrote this artcle.
I will answer your question one by one inshaallah.
Please note that I am not a scholar not maulana. I am a simple Muslim 17 yrs old and I will answer from the facts which I personally read and know about Islam, Quran and Sahih- Hadith. This answers should not be taken as the answers of whole muslim community but personally mine and i am alone responsibile for it.
Question 1- Islam does not believe in worship of One and Only One God/Allah.
Answer 1- Islam is very strict monotheism.
Our kalam is that’ There is no god accept Allah and Muhammad is his messenger’.
Allah(God) says many times in Quran that you should worship only one God that is Allah(God).
Not a single Muslim which I know worship Muhammad(pbuh). We consider him the Last and the final Prophet of Almighty. We consider him the best human who ever lived on this earth. Nowhere it is mentioned in Quran that Muslims should worship or seek help from Muhammad(pbuh).In Quran Allah(God) says that he has chosen Muhammad(pbuh) amongst us or within us to deliver the message of Allah(God)
If you still insist that we worship Muhammad(pbuh) that please provide proof with Quotation from either Quran or Sahih-Hadith.
And i must tell you that if any muslim worship anyone accept Allah either it be Muhammad(pbuh),Jesus Christ(pbuh) etc then he is not a Muslim.
Quaetion 2-Islam does not believe in formless God/Allah
Answer 2- I can anwer this by quoting one surah that is Surah Ikhlas
112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Qul huwa Allahu ahadun
112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
Allahu alssamadu
112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
Lam yalid walam yooladu
112:4 And there is none like unto Him.
Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahadun
Note that in versre no. 4 it says that there is no one like him. It means that you cannot compare Allah(God) with anything or anyform.
e.g. If you say that anythig let it be ‘X’ has a form then you can compare it with ‘Y’ which is similar to it.For Example you can say that Hanuman was 1000 times powerful then Great Khaili or Arnold.
But we muslims cannot compare Almighty to anyone. So it proves that We muslims considers Allah formless.
I didn not know from where you are saying without quotation that He(God) is like a giant amoeba who keeps changing shape and has boundaries.
Question 3-Quran clearly believes in rebirth
Answer 3- Believing in Rebirth is of two types one is that to believe that after the death in this present birth we will we resurrected by God and he will deliver his Judgement about the deeds and believe in this life and then we will go in Heaven or Hell accorrding to our deeds and believe.Other is that after the death we will born again in this world in another body 6 more times i.e. total of 7 Births or Janams.
Muslims believe in the first one that after the death in this world we will be resurrected by God and he will deliver his judgement then we will go to Heaven or Hell and their we will live forever. So we will live in this world only one time not seven times.
About Muhammad(pbuh) saying –
He says that he wishes to slain(killed) in the way of Allah and then brought to life then again slain in the way of Allah and then brought to life then again slain in the way of Allah.
This shows his devotion to Allah and his love for giving his life for Allah’s will again and agian.This clearly has nothing to do with the theory of 7 times Birth or 7 Janams.
So please from your neutral ming clear the doubtd about Islam and Muhammad(pbuh)
Question 4- Quran is not available in original form and it is impossible to find original Quran composed by Muhammad.
Answer- From where you hear this thing that Quran is not available in its original form.
First of all I want to make clear that Quran was not written by Muhammad(pbuh) it was revealed on Muhammad(pbuh) by Allah(God).Also you should know that Prophet was illiterate he was not able to read and write.
Now for your question let me give you some background – When Quran was revealed by Allah(God) to Muhammad(pbuh) he would memorize it and it was immeditely memorized and written down by his companions on leave, stone etc and every year in the month of Ramadhan angle Gabriel comes to Prophet and Prophet recites the Quran to him and check it and in last year of his life it was recited two time by Prophet to Angle Gabriel. But in written form it was not yet collected.
After his death in Caliph Abu Bakr’s time Quran was collect in written form because many companions who have memeorized full Quran was killed in battle against some enemies of Islam not by Caliph.
Then in the time of 3rd Caliph Usman there were many accent versions of quran which means that Quaran was the same but peoples of different tribes used to recite it in differnt ways just like US English is spoken differently tehn England Enlish but English remains English simlarly the text was same as it was revealed to Muhammad(pbuh). So he gathered all the versions and also took the version from Prophet Wife on which all agreed and he protect it and burned all the remianing versions.And it was distributed among all countries.It was done so that all Muslim should have only one version and their would not be fighting amongst muslims about the different types of recitation of Quran.So the text of Quran always remains same .
And Quran can never be changed because it is in the heaet of millions of muslims who has memorized it word by word and Allah himself have taken the reponsibility of protecting it.
So, brother these are answeres to your questions according to me.
I advise you and all Non-Muslims Brothers and Sisters to read Quaran and Sahih-Hadith by themselves with their own eye and to not listen to persons who want to propogate false about Islam.
Both Quran and Sahih-Hadith(Sahih-Al Bukhari, Sahih-Al Muslim) are availbe on internet and market so please read it research about the miracles and scientific facts in Quran and then choice is yours.

vedas me sab kuchh hai par adhura hai. apke site byarth ho gaya. all dharam is same & we have to make a perfect world with all together.yeh sab vedas me nahi hai.jabki this more important now-a-days. we have to give more importance to humanity not dharam.
dharam is not any relation with religion. it’s a kind of duty. we have to follow dat. duties of a citizen narrated in our national constitution can be the dharam.duties of a doctor can be da dharam. duties of a minister to da nation can be be da dharam. we have to take modern science & humanity within it. then we get what to do and dont in lyf. science tells us what to do or not. it tells us about the reactions of our every actions.
it is not important dat how & whom u r worshiping but it is important dat if ur process of worshiping is not hurting others. other means all human & animals living on earth.
so plzz write about sum topics not hurting others. one of my frnds has became islam- hater reading ur site. u r making da people to hate others. i think dat is not provided in any dharam including vedas. such u r doing paap. so write only about love & humanity & spread it all over da world. write good things of all dharam not only vedas. so dat any one can enjoy it. and make ur site so dharam -frndly dat peoples of diffrent dharam can be frnd and can shear their happiness and tears . and ur site wld be a social network.
but sabse pehle mere us frnd ko suggestion dijiye ke woh kisi ko hate na kare. Muslim ho ya Hindu ya Cristian kisiko hate na kare.

dear, sanatanaakki ji,
compare karna matlab hota hai ucha -nicha dikhana, achha-bura dikhana. agar aap kisiko ucha dikhate ho to dusre ko na kahke vi aap nicha keh rahe ho. agar ishwar kahi hai to woh kabhi nahi chahenge ke unke santan apasme mera ice-cream bara hai ya mera chocolate achha hai karke ladai kare.dharam bahat uchi chees hai ise ice-cream ki tarha ladai ka saman mat banaiye.
indian constitution me hai aapko apna dharam aur vishwas narrate karne ka adhikar hai but dusre ke dharam aur vishwas par kuch bhi bad comments karne ka adhikar nahi hai. is site pe kuchh aisi articles published huye hai jinhe padke kuch muslims ko kharab laga hai. kuch hindu khush huye.kuch to muslims aur islam ko hate karne lage hai. inme se ek mere dost hai.
mai apko koyi philosophy padana nahi chahta hoon. agar mera naam baba ramdev hota to aap mera baat zaroor sunte. but i’m only a man not a hindu – not a muslim.just a common man.
aapko apne dharam pe ahamkar ho gaya hai .ahamkar kisi bhi chees ke liye nahi karn chahiye including dharam. aap hindu nahi ho ahamkari ho.
rahi truth ki baat mujhe jitna lagta hai ke –jo sach insan ke liye hani karak hai use bolna nahi chahiye. chupa dena chahiye.
agar apko dukh pohucha to kshama karna. hey ishwar.
last of all read swami vivekananda , gandhi, & tagore
u will realize wat i want to say…

dear, sanatanaakki ji, compare karna matlab hota hai ucha -nicha dikhana, achha-bura dikhana. agar aap kisiko ucha dikhate ho to dusre ko na kahke vi aap nicha keh rahe ho. agar ishwar kahi hai to woh kabhi nahi chahenge ke unke santan apasme mera ice-cream bara hai ya mera chocolate achha hai karke ladai kare.dharam bahat uchi chees hai ise ice-cream ki tarha ladai ka saman mat banaiye. indian constitution me hai aapko apna dharam aur vishwas narrate karne ka adhikar hai but dusre ke dharam aur vishwas par kuch bhi bad comments karne ka adhikar nahi hai. is site pe kuchh aisi articles published huye hai jinhe padke kuch muslims ko kharab laga hai. kuch hindu khush huye.kuch to muslims aur islam ko hate karne lage hai. inme se ek mere dost hai.mai apko koyi philosophy padana nahi chahta hoon. agar mera naam baba ramdev hota to aap mera baat zaroor sunte. but i’m only a man not a hindu – not a muslim.just a common man.aapko apne dharam pe ahamkar ho gaya hai .ahamkar kisi bhi chees ke liye nahi karn chahiye including dharam. aap hindu nahi ho ahamkari ho.rahi truth ki baat mujhe jitna lagta hai ke –jo sach insan ke liye hani karak hai use bolna nahi chahiye. chupa dena chahiye.agar apko dukh pohucha to kshama karna. hey ishwar.last of all read swami vivekananda , gandhi, & tagore u will realize wat i want to say…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4f89Jg-TnY&feature=fvsr
check the true face of islam and in this video a lady in islamabad telling why she want to leave islam. Please check it.

no one is safe in a male dominated society, india was not a male dominated country before islamic invasion,even queen used to sit with king in darbaar
THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY REASON BEHIND EVERY PROBLEM.
1. It’s a fact that behind every problem of this world there are dishonest, corrupt and bad people.
2. Now question is why people become bad, dishonest and corrupt??? Answer is people become bad, dishonest and corrupt when they are not a complete person. Men and Women are not a complete person without each other; they are the best half of each other. But still today you find less women than men everywhere, be it buses, offices, parks, metros, rails, markets, streets, restaurants, politics, police, army etc. etc.
3. Solution of this problem can be this–
a. Special recruitment drives for women only in various departments so that gender gap can be filled.
b. Financial help for girl child for her education and marriage.
c. Check on some particular Bollywood films that are degrading the image of Indian women with the help of pak and dubai’s mafia.
d. Seal the border of Bangladesh.
e. Apply uniform civil code so that no one can easily divorce or have more than one wife in the name of Muslim Personal Laws.
f. Stop Arab Sheikhs to buy girls and check on Red light areas.
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW DIRTY ABUSES OF MOTHER AND SISTERS, THE SATI PARTHA, FEMALE INFANTICIDE AND TRADITION OF GHUNGHAT OR PARDA STARTED IN INDIA??? READ THIS—
Before Islamic invasion in India women were equally free and active like men, even queen used to sit with king in darbaar and taking equal participation in society. Women like Gargi and Matriya are the best examples of it. Cave paintings of Ajanta Ellora also indicate the equality of women in society. Worshipping of women as goddesses and Devi’s or Mother is the specialty of Indian culture. Maa Durga, Laxmi, Maa Saraswati and many other Devis are the example of it.
But after the Islamic invasion when Islamic invaders raped, killed and forced millions of Indian women to accept Islam then everything changed and Sati pratha, female infanticide, tradition of Ghunghat or Parda were the only choices left for the Indians to save Indian women from cruel and lusty Islamic invaders.
The dirty abuses of mother and sisters were also started by Islamic invaders because they were not happy to see that women are worshipped as goddesses or Devis in Indian culture.
Urdu sher o’ sharai is the height of cheapness and vulgarity. There is no word for divorce in hindi but urdu has-Talaq.
Still today some particular films of Indian cinema is degrading the image of Indian women with the help of pak n dubai’s mafia.
LET’S TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK TO THE GLORY OF VEDIC PERIOD.
JAI “ARDH-NARISHWAR”…. JAI “SHIV AUR SHAKTI”.

3. Islam does not believe in formless God/Allah
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islam doesnot belive in omnipresent god…So it means he is finite…And if he is finite , then it means its idol worship…Idol worship is basically finite worship….infact nobody can concentrate on finite..This mind can only concentrate on finite but it can understand infiniteness and omnipresent by understanding infiniteness of both ie micro and macro…So their Allah is himself like an idol…..As far as my knowledge, islam also dont believe in soul..Then who will go to heaven or hell….:D…..

Dear Brother Abdullah,
1. Purpose of Creation: (Initially question raised by Brother Vajra to Brother Abdullah):
As Abdullah answered “Purpose of Creation for Human being is “Worship”——— This is not correct definition for the Purpose of Creation of Human being and Universe.
Purpose of Creation is NOT worship of God. Purpose of Creation is a “Play of God” in which God wants us to know Him through the actions of His Divine Human being.
For example, Purpose of Creating Movie is not the Purpose of Worshipping the Producer of Movie. But Producer or Director wants Public to know him or to know his Truth & justification of workmanship he has filmed in his Play of Movie.
Each “Play of God” is a “New Creation of Universe and each End of “Play of God” is a Destruction of Universe and this Play of God is Eternal.
Knowing of God is better than Worship of God.

. Anything which does not satisfy the simple common sense will be rejected sooner or later. The account and remembrance of the actions done during the life time could be with either the body or the substance other than body. If it is with the body then with the disintegration of the body the account and remembrance of the actions will also disintegrate. Then the substance other than body is as such free from any responsibility of the actions done during the life time of the human being except under one condition that the substance other than body has the innate knowledge of right and wrong about the actions. If now this substance is reincarnated or takes rebirth as an animal species, then the scientific study of animal behavior reveals that the animals have a homogeneous behavior & their behavior is simply controlled by their instincts and there is no innate knowledge of right and wrong in animals (including insects). Thus there is negligible probability of that substance returning to the human form as such the cycle or reincarnation & rebirth on the basis of actions will break. Now if the account and remembrance of the actions done during the life time are carried by the substance which leaves the body, then the reincarnated being or reborn being should remember the actions done during the previous birth. If the reincarnated and reborn being is an animal, we will not come to know whether the animal remembers the actions done in the previous birth. In case of human being taking the form of reincarnated being or reborn being, then he should remember the actions done in the previous life. Since the cycle of birth and rebirth & reincarnation has to continue, as such human beings on the whole are supposed to remember the actions done in at least, the previous birth, whereas no human being remembers the actions of their previous life. Thus humanity on the whole should stand up and reject such illogical and irrational concepts in their religions, such concepts are corruptions of the religions. This is simply absurd, whatever by the jugglery of concepts you may try; this is illogical and irrational and will remain so. The first and final proof of rebirth, is when the rebirth takes place in the form of human being, human being should know about the previous births; if human being does know about previous births that will prove concept of rebirth beyond any doubt and if human being does not know about the previous births the concept of rebirth is disproved beyond any doubt. This is the general test of those religions which have the concept of rebirth or reincarnation on the touch stone of logic and rationality. No matter what explanations and jugglery of philosophical discourses one may try the concept of rebirth will fail anyway.

Dear M.S.Khan
Namaste!
your statements within ( // ..//)
//the scientific study of animal behavior reveals that the animals have a homogeneous behavior & their behavior is simply controlled by their instincts and there is no innate knowledge of right and wrong in animals (including insects)//
This is factually wrong.Certain animal species have an innate feeling of self and right and wrong. You must read about altruism in the animal kingdom which is unfortunately missing in abrahmic religions 🙁
so to say that animals exhibit homogeneous behaviors is ignorant to say the least.
//the reincarnated being or reborn being should remember the actions done during the previous birth//
re-incarnation is a corrective process.If i remember my past even after being re-incarnated , what is the need of re-incarnation at all! ? its like carrying the baggage which hinders the opportunity to correct oneself.
having said that, a remote possibility does exist in the journey of trillions of souls that some exceptions may remember their past life to fulfill a continuity in their journey..and such exceptions DO EXIST!
//if human being does know about previous births that will prove concept of rebirth beyond any doubt and if human being does not know about the previous births the concept of rebirth is disproved beyond any doubt//
while what you suggest as a criterion is good from a scientific perspective, but as explained above, it’s detrimental to to the individual soul to remember his/her past life.
to quench the scientific thirst , science must (and does) study the exceptional cases and the conclusion favors re-incarnation.
//This is the general test of those religions which have the concept of rebirth or reincarnation on the touch stone of logic and rationality.//
agreed. here you go ..a drop to quench that thirst http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Praise_and_criticism
//No matter what explanations and jugglery of philosophical discourses one may try the concept of rebirth will fail anyway.//
your premise was wrong and so is your conclusion. hope you correct it after reading my response
best regards

Rebirth in Vedas
Taken from Maharishi Swami Dayanand Sarawati`s masterpiece `Light of Truth`:
The following verses refer to the doctrine of past and future births.
“O God! Thou conductest our pranas. We pray Thee that we may be happy whenever we may assume another body after death. Grant us, O God! The eyes and all the other senses, the pranas and the inner senses in our future birth when we may assume another body after forsaking the present. Do Thou grant us that when we are born again we may enjoy uninterruptedly all enjoyable thins. May we be able to see the luminous sun and the ingoing and outgoing pranas in all our rebirths. O God! Thou art the dispenser of honor and happiness, make us happy in all our rebirths, through Thy grace.”
[In this mantra, the eye (Chakshu) represents all the senses and prana the inner senses.]
“Be gracious, O Lord! To grant that in our rebirths the earth may give us prana born of food and strength, the bright light of the sun may give us prana and middle region may give us life; the juices of medicines such as soma, may give us body (bodily health and vigor). O God! Thou art the giver of strength and nourishment, show us in our rebirths the path of virtue (dharma). We pray that happiness be our lit in all our births through Thy grace. Rig VIII. !. 23. 6 & 7. “O God! May the mind with knowledge and other good qualities an may the full term of life come to us in our rebirth, through Thy favor. May pure thoughts come to us in our rebirth and may sight and hearing also come to us. O God! Thou art the guide and director of the universe; in Thee there is no fault such as arrogance, deceit; thou are the protector of our bodies, and art all wisdom and bliss; keep us aloof from evil deeds and protect us in all our birth-cycles, so that being free from sin we may remain happy in all our births.”
“O Lord! May we get, through Thy favor in our rebirths all the senses and that force which sustains the pranas. may we be endowed with the noble riches of knowledge and have firm devotion to Thee. May we get human bodies so that we may be able to tend the fires, Ahavaniya, etc. O Lord of the Universe! May we have the same form, intellect and good bodies as we were endowed with in our previous birth so that we may be able with the help of intellect to discharge our duties properly in the world of our rebirth and may we never suffer pain on any account.
“A man who, has done good actions in his previous birth, gets many good bodies in virtue of those good actions, but if he has done evil deeds he does not get human body and is born into the body of an animal, etc., and suffers pain.
[This is the lesson conveyed by God in the first half of the verse.]
It is the nature of the soul that it reaps the fruits of its good and had actions done in a future birth. After leaving its old body it enters such substances as the air, water, medicinal herbs, etc., and then through their agency it enters into a new body according to the fruits of its former good or bad deeds.
The jiva which obtains a full and complete knowledge of the Vedas, the word of God, obtains the body of a learned man like its former body and enjoys happiness; but the jiva which acts in violation of the dictates of the Vedas and virtue gets the body of lower animals and suffers pain.” Yaju IV. !5; Atharva VII. 6-67-1; Atharva V. 1-1-3.
“We have heard that there are two paths in this world for enjoying the good and suffering the bad consequences of virtue and vice. The first is the path trodden by the pitris (the wise) and the devas (the learned) and such men as are devoid of knowledge and wisdom. The first is divided two fold i.e., the pirtriyana and the Devayana. That in which a jiva obtaining a body from the father and mother enjoys happiness as the fruit of its good actions and suffers pain as the consequences of its evil and deeds and again and again, i.e., in which it is subject to past and future birth is called the pitriyana. That in which it obtains emancipation, is liberated from the world i.e., the migrations of birth and death is called devayana. In the former, after having enjoyed the fruits of its stock of virtue it is born again and dies also. In the latter, it is not born again, nor does it die. By these two paths the whole world passes and repasses.
When the Jiva, leaving it’s previous body and wandering about in the air, water or vegetable kingdom enters the body of the father or the mother it becomes and embodied spirit.” Yaju XIX. 47.
The author of the Nirukta also supports the doctrine of rebirth in the following couplets:
“I died and was born again, and having been born I died once more. I have tenanted thousands of different bodies.
“I have tasted many kinds of food and have sucked many kinds of breasts. I have many fathers, mothers and friends.
” The jiva is born with its head downwards and suffers the pains of birth.” Nirukta XIII, 19.
The great sage Patanjali in the Yoga aphorisms and his commentator Veda Vyasa also have established the truth of the doctrine of rebirth.
‘Flowing by its potency the fear of death affects even the learned.’ Yoga !. 2-9
The fear of death which is exhibited, from the very birth, by all (living beings) shows that there are births and rebirths. Even a newly born ant, as well a learned man, is subject to the fear of death. This shows that without experience of death in a former life, there would be no impressions of it in this. With out the impressions there would be no remembrance.
And without remembrance how could there be fear of death? Seeing that all living beings exhibit fear of death we should infer that past and future births do take place.
Similarly, the most learned sage Goutama in his Nyaya Shastra, and Vatsyayana in his commentary thereon express their belief in the doctrine of rebirth.Pretyabhava.”Nyaya Sutra. I.1.19
[Pretyabhava is to leave an old and to assume a new body. It is composed of two words, Pretya which means, having died, and Bhava which means coming into being. So a jiva after departing from here is born again and assumes a body.]
Here those who believe in one birth only say: ‘If there was a former birth why is it no remembered?’
We reply: ‘Open the eyes of understanding and see. There is no remembrance of the pains and pleasures which we experienced up to the age of five years since our birth, nor, of all the events that happened in our waking moods and during sleep. What to say then of remembering events of our past existence?’
Q. – ‘If God awards us in this existence of fruits of our good and bad actions, which we did in our past life, in the form of pleasures and pains, God becomes unjust because we know them not and also because we are not reformed thereby.’
A. ~ We say: ‘Knowledge is to two kinds, direct and inferential. Suppose fever affects the body of a medical man and also of a layman. The medical man, on account of his special knowledge, putting the cause and the effect together, infers the cause of the fever. Not so with the lay man, but he, too, though devoid of this special knowledge of the medical man, knows that there is no effect without a cause and as he experiences the effects of fever comes to know that he must have been guilty of some irregularity in diet, etc. Similarly, God, who is just, cannot give pain or pleasure to any body without his having done bad or good actions. We see that in the world that are mightier and lower grades of happiness and misery. This shows that virtuous and evil deeds must have been done in a former existence.The holders of one birth theory raise many similar objections. They should be answered after due consideration. It is not necessary that everything should be explained in black and white to intelligent persons. They can understand a good deal by a few hints only. Besides this, we do not write more on this subject in this place for the fear of increasing the bulk of the book.
http://hindurevolution.blogspot.com/2011/03/rebirth-in-vedas.html

Rebirth follows the law of conservation of mass-energy

Religion means just true knowledge, means knowing the things, how they are and and how their properties are, as it is called truth and opposite is called wrong.
Religion is one and same for all human beings. The conflict occurs due to some kind of knowledge that we gather in the world after birth. This knowledge can be from people alive or dead by any media like books, audios, videos, verbal etc. Following points explain it more clearly –
Understand the vary basic religion –
One boy didn’t study any religious book and not taught by any person about the religion. That boy would have the following feelings in his soul for first time from the side of God, Ishwar or Allah (whatever u call him by name) –
1. He would feel mercy while behaving bad or killing any innocent living thing.
2. He would feel fear while doing any type of bad work like “theft, loot, lie, rape, cheat etc.
3. He would like to help of those guys who really need help and would feel glad to help them.
4. He might not be sure about the existence of God, Soul, rebirth, result for work given by God etc. These topics are very deep and want much hard work to understand the god and his properties.
I mean God gives us birth in this world with basic knowledge of religion(what to do) but we human override it by inclining ourself to bad ideas or works. Of course there are some points that can be arguable but still they can be finalized with the help of science and some unbiased books and thoughts.

Namaste Agniveer Ji,
I request you Please ban Shabeer to post comments here. This guy have no purpose neither seeking truth nor debate. He just do copy paste, copy paste, copy paste ………….. Shabeer seems mentally disturbed.

Do you think on your own or you have outsourced it to ZN and his stooges?
Ask specific questions or label specific charges that we can refute it or put up a counter argument to it. Just pointless verbiage is not going to work.

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wah wah agniveer ji aap wo kaam kar rahe hai ki aane wali saari manav jaaati aapka upkar manegi jo aaap unne islam ke andhkar se sanatan dharam ke prakash mai laaye ho ,islam jo ki aatannk ka doosra naam hai ,anpad gawar logoin ki jamat hai ,jisne duniye ko koi help nahi kiya einstine ,aryabhat ,jaise vaigyaniko ko aajtak paida nahi kar saka us islam se aap unne bacha rahe hai ……jai ho jai ho ….aapka jai ho…..we should bycott TIMES OF INDIA & NDTV INDIA as well…..

I just read the article above . I am speechless to find the efficacy with which a person can turn a blind eye to such clear truth.
vedas says Ekkam brahm bohudha bidhante…. Ekkam ekme bedityam…
Only Muslims follow this basic philosophy being true to the core. The fanatic hindus are confused as to what to follow when they find god has ten heads…..
Vedas testifies the truth of Islam and therefore any follower of vedas should waste no time in acknowledging the truth and start following Islam…….

@Mithra Muhammed
May be Hindus are the most confused creatures on the earth but they are still better than you blood thirsty muzzies who have a long history of not only killing the kafirs but also their own brethren.
As some wise person said, you can believe in stones, as long as you don’t throw them at me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA2a2jVVzR8

One more verse to add to the list is:
I have noticed a lot of hater posting that the Vedas does not talk about reincarnation or Karma based reincarnation. I have done some research to find the exact quote that says there is reincarnation in our great and amazing Vedas:
Saw this on Agniveer. Karma based reincarnation in the Vedas:
“O soul, God grants for thy bodies in different births, according to thy DEEDS a happy or unhappy place on this earth. May radiant beams prove helpful to thee!” (Yajur Veda, Chapter 35, verse 2) Translated by Devi Chand M.A.
– This is very clear that the Veda is talking about Karma. The fact that the word DEEDS is used is very clear indicator of it. And it also talks about different births, which is also clear about reincarnation.

Dear brothers and sisters
I read the articles and reply
Iam not a moulana or also not a scholar of Islam simple Indian belief in Islam I myself fill a great opportunity that I am a Muslim its pleaser of Allah I born in Islam family I like to put some comment on of agneever
Are you find anywhere holly Quran is changed prove it
About rebirth how it is possible if it then population of world as same when the universe is formed
Islam always believe in one god it is one religion in the world who believe in one god not many like agneever from Allah is one and only he has no concept forms and Mohammed is messenger of Allah Islam is believe in these concept Allah is god so how Islam believe many god in Quran any where not mentioned to worship to Mohammed saw always mentioned he is a messenger of almighty Allah for show the light of peace and truth to the human being
In Vedas there is always says that sanatn or saswat means peace means Islam

Answers to the points raised by this page:
1. Islam does not believe in worship of one and only god/Allah:
I believe the writer does not understand the meaning of Prophet…the second part of phrase(i.e, kalma – e- Shahadat) says’ Muhammad is Allah’s prophet…do I need to tell the writer what is the meaning of Prophet? if the writer does not know then I would suggest him to take help of any dictionary to understand its meaning…and yes a muslim cannot be muslim if he does not believe that Muhmmad (Peace be upon him) was prophet of Allah (SWT).
2. Vedas truly believe in worship of One and Only One God/ Ishwar: did anyone deny that? and my humble request is to everybody that if you believe in veda then follow it…
3. Islam does not beleive in formless god: when you say as per islam….from where did you pick these sentences…we believe Quran is Allah’s word and no where it is mentioned so STOP misguiding people. This is difference between you and Zakir Naik…we quote from the books and mention the source unlike you guys who just pick anything and present the distorted meaning…
4. Vedic Ishwar/ God is truly formless: Again…did we deny this? if you really believe it then stop making idols…hopefully it will curb some pollution also..if you have so called direct connection then you dont need any idol or stone..
5. Quran clearly believes in rebirth: original quran? have you gone mad? there is only one quran…its meaning can be distorted but the arabic verses are one and same….on the day of qayamat (doomsday) every human being..dead and alive…will be asked to be present in front of Allah for their judgment…you better give the source of your statements…dont talk in the air…
I wanted to write more .. but now I feel the writer of the page does not have enough knowledge otherwise I would have loved to put forward more ….anyways…..get some knowledge and then talk…would be ready to answer any question..just let me know….ready for debate also…

CHALLENGES OF DR.ZAKIR NAIK-ISLAM KI SACCHAI 2- 1)ALLAH JO HAI USKO KOI BHI DEKH NAHI SAKTA,JO DIKHAI NA DE SIRF US PAR BELIEF KARE YE ISLAM HAI.TO PHIR JO JO DIKHAI NA DE UNKO BHI MANO EX.DETA HU TAKI AASANI SE SAMAJ ME AAYE- ULLAH,JULLAH,KULLAH YE BHI DIKHAI NAHI DETE TO KYA INKO BHI MANANA PADEGA.2) ALLAH AKELA HAI USKA KOI SANGI-SATHI NAHI HAI.JAB ALLAH AKELA HOTA TO DUNIYA KE BAHAR HAI YA DUNIYA KE ANDAR?BAHAR HAI TO DUNIYA SE USKA KYA SANBAND,KYA LENADENA HAI?DUNIYA KYO BANAI?ANDAR HAI TO AKELA KAISE HOGA? YE AKELA HAI ,ISKO KAISE PATA CHALA KOI DUSRE ALLAH KO DEKH KE, KI KOI INSAN KO DEKH KE?WO APNE KO AKELA KIS KO SAMNE RAKH KAR TOUL RAHA HAI?AGAR WO INSAN SE TOUL RAHA HAI TO BILKUL HI CHOTA HO GAYA AUR KISI AUR BADE ALLAH SE TOUL RAHA HAI TO AKELA NA RAHA.3)ALLAH DUNIYA BANATE WAQT BAHOT SHAKTIWAN THA SIRF US NE HO JA KAHA AUR HO GAYI,TO PHIR YE QURAN KO SATYA KITAB HAI AISA BAR BAR KYO KAH RAHA HAI EK BAR HI KAHTA KI YE SATYA HO JA AUR HO GAYI HOTI.YE AADMI KE SAMNE BUJDIL KYO HO RAHA HAI?4) YE ALLAH MIRACLE KARTA HOTA TO PAHLE PROFET KE LIYE MIRACLE KARE ,LAKDI SE SAAP,PANI KO BEECH ME SE TODA,UPAR SE SHOLE BARSAYE.MURDE KO ZINDA KIYA.PAR LAST PROFET KE LIYE KOI MIRACLE NAHI KIYE,KYO USKI TAQAT KHATM HO GAYI KYA?

CHALLENG TO DR.ZAKIR NAIK 2- koi bhi hindu dr.zakir naik se ye sawal kare -ALLAH EK HAI YA ANEK? EK HAI TO ANEK KO KYO BANAYA? ANEK HAI TO BAKI KE ALLAH KAHA HAI? ALLAH EK HAI TO DUNIYA KIS SE JUDI HAI? ALLAH SE JUDI HAI TO WO EK NA RAHA AUR NAHI JUDI HAI TO BINA ALLAH SE KAISE BANI? ALLAH EK HAI TO DO CHIZE KYO BANAI?MALE-FEMALE,ZANNAT -JAHANNAM,JANAM-MRUTU,AKASH-ZAMIN,PAAP-PUNYA,ANDHERA-UZIYARA,DIN-RAAT,AWWAL-AAKHIR.ALLAH AKELA HAI TO SABKI ALAG-ALAG KHABAR RAKTA HAI?KI EKSAATH KABAR RAKTA HAI? ALAG-ALAG KHABR RAKHTA HAI TO KAISE AKELA HUA.KYOKI ZAB MUZE GARMI LAGTI HAI TAB MAI THAND LAG RAHI HAI AISA KYO NAHI KAHTA? EK HI KABAR RAKTA HAI TO ALAG-ALAG LOG EK HI KAAM KAR RAHE HAI AISA MANANA PADEGA HATYA KARNA AUR HAAJ KARNA EK HO JAYEGA.AALAH EK MAN KA HAI KI ANEK MAN KA? EK MAN KA HUA TO ANEK MAN KE AADMI KO KAISE BANAYA? ANEK MAN KA HAI TO EK ALLAH ME ANEK MAN KAISE HONGE?AADMI MERE ANDAR SE HAZAR MAN BOL RAHE HAI AISA KYO NAHI KAHTA?ALLAH SABKA HAI TO EK KA KAISE HOGA?ALLAH SABKA NAHI HAI TO ANEK KA KAISE HOGA?ALLAH KA KOI AAKAR HAI KI NAHI? AAKAR,BUT NAHI HAI TO BOLTA KAISE HAI?YE BUT JAISE AADMI KO APNI HI SHKAL ME KYO BANAYA?BUT KE JAISI DUNIYA KYO BANAI? AAKAR HAI TO DHIKHAI KYO NAHI DETA?

@rsdfgg
________yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai__
Nahi dekhne ka matlab yah nahi ki ham sabhi baato par viswas kar le. Jo ki tarkpurn hai unhi par viswas kiya ja sakata hai. Mana ki khuda hai. Agar wo itana bada jo puri duniya ko bana sakta hai aur bahut nek, dayalu bhi hai to wo choti-choti baato jaise chote masum logo dwara apni pooja na hone par unhe narak me tarah tarah ki yatnaye nahi dega. Aur itne chote dil ka nahi ho sakta hai. Ye Galat hai.