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While I have always been critical of his approach and conclusions, I always admired Dr Zakir Naik’s sincerity and loyalty to Muslims. I was impressed by his gigantic efforts in studying thousands of pages of scriptures and selecting verses that could be used to derive whatever crazy interpretations he has derived to prove Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in all world scriptures. I always used to wonder how he could gain all the time and energy to do so despite such a busy schedule of lecturing world around!
But suddenly I came across a book “Muhammad in World Scriptures” by Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi written in 1936. And I was shocked to find that Dr Zakir Naik has done NOTHING MORE THAN simply copying-pasting from this book, mostly word-to-word and cooked up his own ‘original’ research which he uses to claim that he is an expert in ‘Comparative Religion’. This is blatant plagiarization! And that too from a source that his followers consider worse than Kafirs.
So all Dr Zakir Naik has done is copying from works of another person, memorizing those and claiming all the fame for himself! And he did this so blindly that he did not bother even see the background of the original writer or how he has backstabbed his followers in the process.
Because Maulana Adbul Haque Vidyarthi was not an ordinary Muslim.
On contrary, he belonged to a cult which almost the entire Muslim world, and especially the sects which believe in ideology of Dr Zakir Naik considers as non-Muslim. They are in fact banned in Pakistan and many other countries. Ask any Muslim scholar, and he would start hurling abuses on them for disgracing Islam and Muhammad.
Yes, I am referring to the Ahmadiyya or Qadiyani cult. Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi was a disciple of its founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed who is considered worse than a Kafir by all Muslims who are fan of Dr Zakir Naik.
The reasons why Muslims hate Ahmadiyyas and refuse to consider them as Muslims are because they hold certain beliefs that no Muslim and follower of Dr Zakir Naik would dare to agree. Some are as follows:
a. Ahmadiyyas believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was a Prophet or Messenger, and this is ‘shirk’ – unpardonable sin as per Muslims
b. Ahmadiyyas believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed continued to receive new revelations
c. Ahmadiyyas believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmed to be a Messiah
d. Ahmadiyyas believe that Ram, Krishna, Buddha, Ashoka and Guru Nanak were also Prophets
e. Ahmadiyyas believe that Kalki Avatar would also be the final Prophet
and most importantly, the founder of Ahmadiyya cult is alleged to have hurled abuses and even cursed to Hell those who refused to believe in his prophethood!
The concept of Avtar is a ‘shirk’ as per Islam. All Islamic Madarsa teach books of Maulvi Md Ismail which specifically states that anyone believing in Avtars or further Prophets or Avtars as Prophets is doing ‘shirk’.
Dr Zakir Naik knows all this – that is why in FAQ on Hinduism, he refused to accept that Vedas can be revelations.
But he forgot that the material he has used to write other articles are directly lifted from Maulana Abdul Haque’s writings who agrees that Vedas are revelations. Thus proving Prophet in Vedas or Bhavishya Puran is fine with Ahmadiyyas because that is how they justify prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad also.
But for all other Muslims, on whose faith popularity of Dr Zakir Naik rests, this is ‘kufra’.
While these writings do not affect Hindus or even Buddhists, Christians etc much, they definitely backstab a devout Muslim, especially when source of reference is not being quoted.
In summary, Dr Zakir Naik is guilty of :
a. Copying directly, even word to word, from works of Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi, an Ahmadiyya without even quoting his references. This is blatant plagiarism.
b. Using his own name instead to falsely proclaim that he is expert on comparative religion
c. Cheating with other Muslims who consider Ahmadiyya and their beliefs to be worse than those of Kafirs
d. Backstabbing his blind followers who quote his works without realizing that Dr Zakir Naik has made them follow ideology of Qadianis/ Ahmadiyyas.
e. Trying to prove Vedas and Puran contain revelations of Muhammad but also refusing to clear admit Vedas as revelations. Thus he has deliberately not made clear whether in reality Dr Zakir Naik is a Qadiyani or not.
Only Dr Zakir Naik knows what is the real truth and what is his true mission. But his backstabbing has left his blind followers nowhere. Either they will have to admit to Ahmadiyya beliefs, which is the complete foundation of his writings and ‘research’ or regret their faith in Dr Zakir Naik being a Muslim.It seems obvious that Dr Zakir Naik is actually a Qadiyani/Ahmadiyya in disguise trying to fool common Muslims. But why does he need to put this disguise? Is it because Ahmadiyyas are persecuted in all Muslim countries? Or is it that he is a spy with some other hidden agenda. Or perhaps, the way he claims to have discovered new researches in Quran that even Allah, Muhammad, Ali et al could not discover, he is laying foundation of his own Prophethood!
And as per Islamic Criminal Law, that Dr Zakir Naik is such a great fan of, he himself can decide what should be the most appropriate punishment for him. Sharia says that a thief’s hands should be chopped off. Hadiths say that one who deserts his faith or community should be killed. This is time to test how sincere are Dr Zakir Naik and Muslims who have followed him so far, to the teachings of their own divine texts.
I am attaching the scan of the book with this post so that everyone can see Dr Zakir Naik’s fraud with his own people themselves. You can download original here.
You can view (not-so) original article(s) of Dr Zakir Naik at IRF website: http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145&Itemid=128 to compare with the original.
To know more about Qadiyanis, please visit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophethood_%28Ahmadiyya%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Muslim_Community
or any Qadiyani site for that matter.
Addendum:
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Here I provide comparison of work of Dr Zakir Naik and Maulana Vidyarthi, as explained by a Qadiyani Zahid Aziz.
1. Zakir Naik’s article gives various prophecies under four headings. Under the first heading (I) are three prophecies from the book Bhavishya Purana. The first of these is given as follows:
“A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj), after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins), offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, I make obeisance to thee. O Ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents.”
This is also the first prophecy in Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi’s book. It is identical with the quotation in Zakir Naik’s article. Except that in the Maulana’s book the word malecha is spelt as malechha, and his quotation has the following extra words at the end: “O Ye! The image of the Most Pious God, the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet.
2. After quoting the prophecy, Zakir Naik’s article draws out six points from it. The Maulana, after quoting the prophecy, lists ten points. We find that Zakir Naik’s first three points are the same as the Maulana’s first three points, and his points (4), (5) and (6) are the same as numbers (10), (7) and (6) respectively of the Maulana. The wording is also very similar.
For example, point (3) in both begins with the words: Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet”.
3. Following these six points, there are two further comments in Zakir Naik’s article. The first is in answer to the objection that Raja Bhoj lived in the 11th century C.E. The objection and its answer as given in this article are exactly as in the Maulana’s book, namely, that there was not just one Raja Bhoj. The article says:
The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj.”
while the Maulana’s book has:
Just as the Egyptian monarchs were known as Pharaohs and the Roman kings were called Kaisers, similarly, the Indian rajas were given the epithet of Bhoj
4. The second comment relates to the part of the prophecy about giving the promised one a bath in the Ganges, and the article says:
The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom
The same comment is found in the Maulana’s book in the following words:
“Another point which requires elucidation is the Prophet’s taking bath in ‘Panchgavya’ and the water of the Ganges. This did not, of course, actually happen as it was only a vision; so we give it the interpretation that the Prophet will be purged of and made immune from all sorts of sins.”
5. The second prophecy from the book Bhavishya Purana in Zakir Naik’s article is also the second prophecy in the Maulana’s chapter. It begins with the words:
The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country.
The wording of the entire prophecy (of which about one-tenth is given above) is identical in the article and the book.
6. Following the prophecy, Zakir Naik’s article makes ten points about it, while the Maulana’s book makes twelve points. Naik’s first two points are the same as the Maulana’s first two points. His 3rd to his 10th point are the same as the Maulana’s points (5) to (12), in the same order.
7. The third and final prophecy from the book Bhavishya Purana in Zakir Naik’s article begins as follows:
Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc
In the Maulana’s book also, this is the next prophecy, and is given in almost the same words.
8. We now reach the second heading (II) in Zakir Naik’s article. Under this are given three prophecies from the Atharva Veda. In the Maulana’s book also, these are the prophecies that occur next.
Each and every point noted in the article about these prophecies is to be found in the Maulana’s book, in the same order. Below I list the chief aspects of these prophecies as mentioned in Zakir Naik’s article and place in parenthesis the page number in Muhammad in World Scriptures where the same is mentioned:
Kuntap, which is the name of some chapters of the Atharva Veda, stands for Bakkah, a name of Makkah.
The word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’ and refers to the Holy Prophet.
The Holy Prophet is prophesied as the camel-riding rishi.
He is called Mamah Rishi and given certain signs such as a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets, etc.
He is called Rebh, which means the same as the name ‘Ahmad’.
The battle of the Allies of the Holy Prophet’s time is described and the word karo refers to the Holy Prophet.
The conquest of Makka is prophesied and the Holy Prophet is termed as an abandhu, meaning a helpless man.
9. Coming now to the third heading (III) in Zakir Naik’s article, under it one prophecy is briefly mentioned, to the effect that the Sanskrit word sushrava in the Rig Veda applies to the Holy Prophet. The same is in the Maulana’s book.
10. The fourth and final heading in Zakir Naik’s article gives one prophecy, which is from the Sama Veda, and it is translated as follows:
Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.
This prophecy is found in similar words in the Maulana’s book.
11. Zakir Naik’s article then makes three points about this prophecy. The first of these is that the word ‘Ahmad’ here has been read by previous translators not as a name but as Ahm at hi and therefore they translated the mantra as alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”. These three points under this prophecy are found in the Maulana’s discussion.
12. At this point Zakir Naik’s article comes to an end — and so does the chapter ‘The Prophet in the Hindu Scriptures’ in Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi’s book.
It can be seen that the article by Zakir Naik is nothing at all more than a greatly compressed version of certain parts of the Maulana’s treatment of the subject, following exactly the same order as in the Maulana’s book.
No doubt a later author can make use of the work of an earlier one, but if he benefits substantially from it then integrity requires that he must acknowledge the source.
In this case, the later author has merely repeated the results of the earlier work without any contribution at all by himself, and with no mention of the earlier work.
Do Hindu scriptures contain any Divine revelations?
The research by the Maulana was based on the teaching of Islam that prophets from God had appeared among all nations before the Prophet Muhammad. Muslim scholars had generally limited this to the Israelite prophets and a few others.
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad revived and laid stress on this unique teaching and concluded from it that the great sacred persons of the Hindu religion must have been true prophets and its scriptures must have been Divine revelations originally. It was on the basis of this belief that the Maulana found prophecies about the Holy Prophet Muhammad in Hindu scriptures. This is why, in explaining the second prophecy given above, the Maulana writes:
The coming prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith.
However, Dr Zakir Naik has stated, in a different place, that the Vedas may not be revealed scriptures. Answering the question, whether we can consider the Vedas and the other Hindu Scriptures to be the revelations of God?, he replies:
There is no text in the Quran or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the revelation that was sent to India. Since the names of the Vedas or other Hindu scriptures are no where to be found in Quran and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure that they were the revelations of God. They may be the revelation of God or may not be the revelation of God.
If nothing at all in them was revealed by God, then how did prophecies about the advent of the Holy Prophet come to be in these books? If they may not be revelations at all, then it is also possible that the quotations from them given by Dr Zakir Naik may not be prophecies about the Holy Prophet Muhammad revealed by God.
Interestingly, in his article Dr Naik has actually copied the Maulana’s statement above: The coming prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, which means that the Holy Prophet confirmed that those scriptures were originally revealed by God. Perhaps Dr Naik did not realise that this contradicts his own belief expressed elsewhere.
This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/2971/naikexposed-hi/
This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/2971/naikexposed-hi/
@Waqas
Forget, rashmibhai, its zakir naik who sets up the format in such a way that the opponnet doesnt get enough time to refute zakir naik. AND remember, at the end of the debate Waqas, an audience challenged ur zakir since he found a rebuttal to all those 20 points he threw at rahsmi bahi but zakir refuesed to accept his challenge. Zakir naik can make up lies about medical science and fool people like rashimibahi. He even fooled dr william, by saying arabic means different in quran and languages, otherwise go check out the debate analyzed by ali sina of naik and campbell.
@Waqas
We all on this site agree with wotever Mr.Agniveer tells us because he is 100% correct in all his articles with authentic proofs.
So you know the reference! So less women would go to Paradise but it does not mean there would be less women in Paradise. Interesting! On earth, men:women ration is 1:1. So I do not understand your mathematics.
And 72 virgins would come from where? Where are they currently?
@Agniveer
Namaste
Very well said Sir, and no need to talk to him further, Waqas is a corrupted fool and he doesnt know wots wrong and wots right. He is trying his level best to refute my point of justifcation for the Quran allowing muslims to kill ex muslims for a stupid reason of leaving islam, but as usual, he fails in rebutting me. He is sick and he is defending this stupid law of islam
@Waqas
1) You wrote-"we muslims are strong there for we are also allowed to have four women at one time". It means muslim women have less power than man. So it is clear that if a muslim man equals to four muslim women in sexual power then muslim men can never enjoy sex because at a time one man can be engaged with one woman and woman has 1/4 power than man. So in this life atleast you can never get sexual satisfaction. May be in your jannat, as you said, you will not be a normal human being, so you might get 72 sex organs in order to get satisfaction by enjoying sex with 72 women at a time. But I wonder, why did not Allah create muslim women so powerful that man need not go to second and also men would not to be created so abnormal as mentioned above!
In Hindus, men and women have got equal power and hence do not require multiple partners/organs!
2) One more thing regarding power of muslims!
Muhammad was believed to have sexual strength equal to 30 men. But he was not been able to impregnate 10 of his wives out of 11! Moreover he died when he was making love to Aisha [Bukhari 7:62:144]. Ibn Hisham, the great muslim scholar writes-"….that he heard Aisha say: “The apostle died on my bosom during my turn: [of having sex with]. It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms"
So one can imagine the power(?) of muslims if their prophet (power=30 muslim men) could not match the power of a girl of 19!
@Waqas…
You are showing some videos which shows foolishness of some people..
But you have to quote the exact verses in Vedas which tells all this things.. and I am sure you may not be able to show it, since it is not present in Vedas at all.
But I can quote from Quran And Hadiths the evils in Islam…
Ok.. Lets have some fun…
You have showed us many videos .. now this is for you!!!
watch and enjoy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwnxLCG7dQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVXiVVYYTbE&fe…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esfalu6wm2Q&fe…
VIK
Quote me a single Verse in Quran which ask kidnapper to rape the kidnapped girl.
Rude behaviour of mine your vedic brothers calling me bastards here. You were the first who called Arabs Dog.. I know by calling your arya samaj pig and dog i am not doing a right thing too but i just say because i want you to feel the pain of those words. Your vedic brother over here abused god and Muhammad here . You or the agniveer never asked them about their language. Agniveer never told them not to portray Vedas or Hinduism but if i use this kind of language i have been criticized by saying that,s what Islam teaches us . You all have a double standard.
I am asking you and i even asked agniveer if you can not bear my comments tell me i will stop visting this web site again. If you dont want t debate just tell me in simple words i will never publish my post here and then you are free to abuse Zakir or islam the way you want to
@Waqas
islam allows one to rape kidnapped or captive women. Here is the proof:
Here is a reference permitting to rape captive women:
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property, – desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise. S. 4:24 Y. Ali
The above passage emphatically allows for the raping of women that are taken captive, even if these captives happened to be married!
Now shut up, and stop lying , the verse of quran is before u
@Waqas
heres another verse that allows a kidnapper to rape a captive or kidnapped woman.
Brother Arya has shown u this verse earlier:
Quran [33:50] states-
"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid
their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of
war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and
aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated [from Makka]
with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the
Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers [at
large]; We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the
captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no
difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Moreover in Bani Qureja incident, Rehana (wife of a Jewish man, killed by muslims) refused marriage offer given by Muhammad. Then Muhammad kept her as his sex slave.[Please refer sirat un nabi by Shibli]
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@VIk
The links that you sent where it shows that Arabs are killing Iraninans. It was political protest which happened after general elections.
VIk i knwo you are ashamed of your self after watching the links i sent you and therefor you are gathering information from youtube to Melaine Islam . Bro that was not your fault. You should not be ashamed of yourself. yea you should be ashamed of your nation
@Waqas
Waqas, first off, this video is fake and that person in the video is some stupid moron that i dont even know. Secondly, our scipture doesnt permit this so dont bark at me.
The word pedophelia……..became famous after the deeds of ur prophet mohammad. I can send u news and articles where muslim fathers rape their own daughters and grand daughters in law.
So, U are showing stupid videos, because u know u can no longer justify satanic verses of the quran.
@Waqas
Waqas, so this means u would choose to support a religoin that allows rape on captive women. I can imply this verse to many people but I dont want to humiliate u in public. So its better, to admit that quran is not the word of GOD, since it allows rape on captive or slave women, and also allows killing ex muslims………..so if u can justify this……..the debate is still on..otherwise u have to admit u lost.
choice is urs?
@Waqas
Any proof people in this video are hindu? They may be muslims also. Biggest problem with Pakis is that they think India to be a Hindu nation just as they are islamic. You should know that India has almost 15% muslims and some areas, these so called minorities are actually in majority.
Everybody should condemn this act of cruelty. Even if this act was done by hindus, they are not ordered to do so according to their Vedas. But when muslims do so, they always have one thing to say that 1man=4women according to Quran! See my previous comments on power of muslims in general and Muhammad in particular and keeping women as sex slaves .
@Waqas
waqas, who in world told u that Vedas have been changed, even the worlds biggest scientist couldnt prove 1% change. Max Muller himself said that this is indias greatest miracle that Vedas remained unchanged till today. Yes, there are many bad translations of Vedas, but bad translations mean people didnt explain the exact meanings of their verses. even the quran has bad translations, that is why ur zakir bahi said only read translations by yusif ali. Similarly, only arya Vedas translations are correct. So, as far as quran goes, there is a new quran in america called al furqan that is changed. SO who said quran is unchanged? At lease Vedeas are still 100% available today as they were billions of years ago. SO my advice is reject a sexual rapist slavery religion like islam and return to ur roots.
@@Waqas
Islam permits a man to have sex with a female slave or prisoner in al ahzab verse 33.050 of the quran. How did u prove me wrong? U are the one ruuning away. THis verse in the quran clearly states illicit sexuality is is morally wrong. So go prove me wrong? As far sati goes, I challenge u to show me a single verse that sanctions sati, and please use a good english translation of Arya samaj not some garbage translation or just give me the verse in sanskrit directly, but dont use any garbage translation otherwise when i refute u ur gonna keep barking that i have double standards.
@Waqas
Waqas, im not talking shit, ur careless for picking out stupid translations, the whole world knows wikipedia articles contain fakes too. I told u, when ever i pick something from quran, i always use yusif ali translation, ok u tell me wot is the best quran translator and i promise to use references from there henceforth. For the verse u provided, number 1, its translation given is wrong. Number 2, its not from an authentic source. Waqas, i told u many times only arya sources please, u can get them at vedicbooks.com, everything else on internet or outside is garbage waqas. If i want, i can give u garbage translations too. AND wikipedia translaton, is done my max muller and ralph griffith, since when did they become hindu?
@VIK
i do not belive in the 100 percent authenticity of wikipedia too but you know that the information provided in wikipedia is by one of your own site . i have never said the translation you are bringing of Quran is wrong. it does not matter whom translation you brought here of Quran the things is I cant find a good translation of Vedas on net. It should be available on internet so people can read and analyze it. The web site you referred is just shopping site . I have to order a book sitting in pak which is quite impossible for me . Instead of wasting time here abusing Zakir and saying bad thing about Islam you, arya agniveer should make a website where we can find the authentic translation of Vedas. Agni could ve done that too. you know yourself more than 70 percent Hindu's are not following Vedas at all. They believe more in idol worship, false and imaginaryb stories of Ramayan mahabhartha and raam sita . At least bring them on a right track. Agniveer is a fitna whose purpose is to create a fight between muslims and hindus . Instead of searching where zakir naik took his resources from , he should work on his own hindu brothers which he is not doing at all.
Hope you would understand what i am trying to say
@Waqas,
listen brother, u gotta be fair in presenting quotes, because im telling u now, there are many bad translations of Vedas out there, in fact, all the ones on the net are bad, there is a site of vedas but the problem is its in sanskrit, and I feel u cant read sanskrit. See i would never bring bad translations of quran to u. If u feel Yusif Ali is a bad translator, then I promise not to quote from him again, but let me know who is authentic according to u, and i promise to only read that source. Now, for Vedas, so far, only Arya Samaj is a universal recognized institution for interpreting accurate vedic translations. U told me to justify sati, but waqas, sati is evil and therefore it cannot be justified. But it is also not sanctioned in the vedas. We arent against muslims only, we are against anyone who misinterprets Vedas. Vedas only have one pure meaning nothing else.
VIK
so therefor i am saying instead of wasting time here ask your arya samaj to publish correct translation of Vedas on internet. I have no objection with yousaf ali translation . you tell me if you want to convince me about vedas how should i believe until unless i read your scriptures . If i ask you to read quran in arabic can you do so ?? i cant read sanskirt so instead of wasting time here help your arya samaj to put the correct english translation of Vedas so one can read it and analyze it. Agniveer spend too much time making a website against Zakir and he is not going to get even 1 percent benefit of it. he could ve spent the same time in publishing correct translation of Vedas too but he did not. that assholes main aim is to create rift between muslims and hindus and he is succeeding in it with the people like you .
you know when i called your brahman dog, and called him dumb ass and pig he came up and said thats what islam teches you. You called arab dog right?? i think aman jha called me bastard but he never went to say to you or to aman jha "is that vedas teaches you". Being an owner of the web site he should be biased but he is not he support ali sina comments he support a qadiyani comments just because they are sying things against Islam . These kind of persons should be killed publicly.
@Waqas
Translating Vedas is not an easy task. First one as to make a translation and then pass it on to experts to analyze. Well so far we only have yajur Veda and samVeda translated, but the rest is still pending. Waqas, I dont swear randomly at people, if they do anything bad, they deserve my disrespect. Yes, only those arabs are dogs who have killed innocent people and who came 1000 years ago and invaded india forcing millions of hindus to convert. Even brahmins who are bad too i disrespect them. Otherwise, there are some really nice arabs and brahmins in this world. Vedas teaches us to respect people, but if our opponent shows no respect then I have to disrespect too. The biggest benefit we got From Agniveer's site is that he exposed zakir naik. I knew zakir was wrong in the first place but I was just waiting for someone to expose him authentically.
Ganga has antibacterial properties?? hahaha i think the below link will help you out understanding about your holy water. anti bachterial properties hahaha brother river Ganga is considered to be the dirtiest river in the world. and thats your holy water. LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganges#Pollution_and…
and look at our holy water mashah Allah Zam Zam. it clearly comes from of the holy land of saudi Arabia and we don not even mineralized it but still its mashah Allah more pure and more healthy than a normal mineral water.
Dr Masaru Emoto the worlds famous japanese scientist has said the same about Zam Zam . You can even go to his own web site and see his comments about Zam Zam
@Waqas
You even dont know how your books are referred! 8 and 9 are Volume and not the book!
1. Vol 8, book 82:817
2. Vol 9, book 89:253
What about the claims of Shia for their separate Quran, most of which is not available. Dont try to drag them now. Better you talk of Sunni Quran and Hadith.
What about those muslims who died as shia. Will they go to heaven or hell?
@Waqas
If you trust US reports then read and watch liberation of Bangladesh.
Indeed we are brave. We did not force any minority to convert to hinduism. On the other hand stage performer Zakir Naik in India says anything what he wants in order to propagate Islam. Do you have guts to let an Arya allow preach his Dharma in your country? Why is propagation of non islamic religions in muslim countries prohibited? Why is that hindus in Pakistan are just 1.8% now, when they were much more in 1947? Muslims have cleaned up all hindus from kashmir and still those bastards want azadi. This is a typical muslim coward mentality.
@ waqas. Dear, going thru some recent threads by u , all i can conclude is that u r simply devoid of all the logics and crafts to have a discussion with learned people. So, do update urself with those you tube videos instead of gaining some knowledge. gud luck ! god bless you!!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=sto…
@WAQAS…
Now coming to scriptures…
You have already raised a doubt on Vedas that it supports Sati and the link I have given shows that there is no such thing in Vedas…
I have done my job and proved there is no Sati in Vedas….
Brother ,
Now please explain all these verses in Quran :
Qur'an:9:88
Qur'an:9:5
Qur'an:9:112
Qur'an:9:29
Qur'an:9:14
Qur'an:8:65
Qur'an:9:38
Qur'an:2:193
Qur'an:8:5
Qur'an:4:100
Qur'an:4:102
Vigins ………….
Quran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and
vineyards, and high-bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing
cup.
Quran 44:51-55
…Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
Quran 52:17-20
…They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris
(virgins) we shall wed them…
Quran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched
before. Then which of the favors of your Lord will you deny ?"
Quran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favors of your Lord
will you deny ?"
If these translation are wrong please provide the correct translations or links…as I have showed you & proved that Vedas do not promote Sati..
Also please prove that this is wrong and give the correct explaination :
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamicheaven…
Brother waiting for your explaination..
@R_H
Whats wrong in these verses ???
@Arya
i am glad you admit that Kashmiris want to be a part of Pakistan not india.
@ in which debate or lecture Zakir naik Muhammad a brahman.
Zakir can be wrong, Zakir can be fraud but Muhammad (PBUH) cant be.
@R_H
i only call those brahmans dog whom you are against too. Those Brahmans who thinks Shoodra s are untouchables . they cant enter in their Temles. they cant eat or sit with them .
Youw own Vedic bro VIK called them dog too so i called them too.
@Waqas
if a brahmin discriminates shudras and kills innocent people, then he is not a brahmin since he violates vedic teachings. Not only brahmins, every human is suppose to respect women and others and apply brother and equality amongst others. The brahmins u see today are victims of illteracy since they offended the holy teachings of Vedas
Why only AryA samaj are correct why not these Brahmans ? who would prove them wrong. I think in that case despite of arguing here you should argue with Brahamans and bring them on your track .
answer my question VIK if some muslims or Arabs do something wrong You relate them to Islam and if Brahman who are honoured to have a highest profession do some thing wring you say they are victims if illiteracy and offend the teaching of Vedas.
Why do u have a double standard ??
@Waqas
I agree many brahmins are not following Vedas properly. Majority of brahmins cannot translate vedas accurately since they are very dificullt to translate and requires a profesional training and expertese. All india knows that only Arya Samaj are the only professionals of vedas since they made procedures for one to follow for the real acccurate translations. I am not biased or double standards, I am against anyone who gives wrong explanations of Vedas whether hes a muslim, brahmin, other hindus,christinas,etc. I even argue with brahmins too telling them that some things they are doing are against vedic teachings. All they say is dont worry, I am stilll learning Vedas from arya samaj sects and very soon be a 100% vedic follower. So this proves even brahmins agaree that only Arya translaterors are accurate. Everyone else is garbage like zakir naik or max muller or other illiterate brhamins. only ARYA SAMAJ is accurate
Zakir Bhai states that one should not judge a car by its driver. So why you are providing vague allegations, and not directly refuting the points made in the articles in this site. If you would give bogus examples of what is wrong in Hindu society, obviously one can find 1000 times more such examples in an ideology which has highest number of terrorists and almost all top terrorists as its followers. It would be better if you could restrict only to points made in the articles. But you or Naik or IRF know that all that has been written is backed by evidences and facts, and hence you have no reply whatsoever. So you are indulging in bogus talks.
For example, Naik simply cheated from books of Qadiani word to word. Is it not plagiarism and a crime? Why is he ashamed to give reference of the original book? Simply because then other Muslims would start hating him – as Qadiyanis are considered Kafirs? And if he has committed such a mistake, why does he not have his hands chopped off, as per Shariat (the punishment for a thief)? Why does he not issue an apology letter and start including name of Qadiyanis as source of all his writings on comparative religions?
@Agniveer
Agni u r an idiot and real fool . you could not answer my previous questions that i asked from you and now you come again with your bullshit questions. ???
the question you asked me about giving bogus examples of Hindu society?scroll back and see who started first that was your own bro VIK but you would never ask him you would never say to him the lines you say to me. When i call dog to your brahman;s , call you dumb ass and used other words you came up to me and said thats what Islam teaches you. Vik called arab Dogs, me and my nation have been called bastards here on the same by your hindu brothers did you ask them or tell them if Vedas teaches you this?? you did not . You did not even mention a word about it.
being an owner of this web site you should be unbiased . you created a topic according to your research now leave it on the debaters . let us decide who wins or who does not and if you need to debate too no problem i am ready to debate with you one on one or otherwise keep your dirty stinky ass outside of this topic.
what proof you are talking about ? i challenged you to put those videos online and you said you would. so where are those videos ???????Whether the resources said by zakir are copied from a qadiyani ? why do you have a soft corner for qadiyani;s they are qadiyanis have not convert in hinduism. you are just supporting qadiyanis and ali sina argument because they speak against Islam thats it.
You are a real loser agni i dont think you even deserve to come on this page. i think just sit back and make sure there is not nay problem in the web site thats it dont rub your ass here with bullshit questions and illogic statements.
1. Dear Brother, your language exemplifies what Zakir Naik and his followers imply by islam being religion of 'submission' and 'humility'
2. Kindly read the article, and find references to Zakir Naik's stealing from Qadiyani resources. Kindly explain what justifies this act of his, which should have his hands chopped off as per Shariat. (Zakir himself admits Shariat to be best law!)
3. I am neither supporting or opposing Qadiyanis. I have simple given evidence that Zakir Naik has stolen ALL his material line-by-line and word-to-word from a Qadiyani book written 50 years ago. Now contents of this book are as per Qadiyani beliefs but considered Shirk as per other Muslims and especially by Zakir Naik's own ideology. Thus Zakir should:
a. Acknowledge that he has stolen from Qadiyani book.
b. Admit that he believes in Qadiyani ideology
c. Clearly mention in his books and articles and on IRF site that all material are sourced from Qadiyani book (by Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi)
d. Have his hands chopped off for stealing from a book without permission and deceiving everyone.
Instead of displaying how many abuses you know, kindly appeal for the above in Zakir Naik forums.
May peace be upon you!
@Waqas
Waqas, why are u crying, u know very well u lost to me in this debate, u failed to give me a moral rebuttal on my 2 points of islam apostles and sex slavery, now u have nothing to say but just bark randomly at me or other hindus, and u show no respect to elders like Mr.Agniveer, u should be thankful to him that he let u open ur big mouth on his site. Waqas, u have any idea where u came from, it was the arab invaders that forcibly converted ur coward ancestors to islam, and the result is u. If ur ancestors didnt kiss the feet of arabs, u would have been a sensible person today rather than defending a sex based religion, and a heaven where one gets 72 whores.
@ waqas.
i called you a bastard only becoz' you called Sri Sri Ravishankar a dumb ass. It was you, who started with unconstitutional language in this debate. just scroll back and check it yourself!!!!
Afterall, One Can't Fight With Bows & Arrows, If The Enemy Is Laden With Kalashnikovs!!!!
We learnt a lot from that Dialogue-turned-debate fiasco, wherein that Parrot Nayak Backstabbed Sri Sri Ravishankar, who was only trying to reduce animosity b/w the two communities.
@ waqas
Brother since your quran sanctions to have upto four wives, tell me how would you react if your father brings any other woman/women in your house other than your mother as a legally wedded wife? I will not take up the issue of concubines and sex-slaves!
. how would you react if your father sleeps wid other women, leaving your mom as mute spectator to his sexual raunches…and pls don't put up you-tube links saying that the same things happen in india too!
I AM ASKING THIS ONLY AND ONLY WITH REFERENCE TO QURAN.
Waiting eagerly for your reply, brother!
@ Arya
You said where it shows High cast and low Caste in one of the link news presenter clearly states that low caste women were stripped and beaten . In of the video where villagers beating a thief your reports states they did it to him because he belonged to a low caste system. In one of the video your hindu leader admitting that we burnt churches of Christians . What else proof do you need from hinduism ???
@Waqas and everyone else
watch the result of sex slavery in islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w97RJd25N94
@VIK
Captive means not only kidnapped . I admit my english is not that good but i think your english is good i know you were aware the other meaning of Captive too. Captive means slave too.
But you intentionally used it for your Own interest and to melaine Islam. In that era, there was custom of having slaves, Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) and his companions(may Allah be pleased with them) freed many slaves but in order to do sex with slave, Slaves permission was required. Havin Sex with slaves was prohibited. and that's the verse from Quran which states that
Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"
@Waqas
brother, i have quoted verse 33.050 from al ahzab, and now u bring me verse 24:33. Anyways if u dont like the word kidnapp. Suppose A man has a war with ur house, and he wins and takes ur sister. I s she not a prisoner? Is she not a captive? Is she not enslaved? Ok Forget that, logically think from ur heart, is it good to have sex with someone other than ur wife? I dont care about eras. Today the era is of drug dealing and raping women and robbing banks, then wot do u expcet allah to send a revealtions where he says fine u can take drugs u can rape women u can rob banks? LOL
If quran is the final word of GOD, all its verses should be applicable in all eras. We consider Vedas to be the word of GOD, then why did GOD prohibit slavery for us and restricted us to monogamy only? Are u arabs special? Waqas u know and I know u cannot justify this sex slave verse with moral justifcation, so please dont try.
@VIK
At least we pakistani have the courage to fight against black sheeps of our nation Look at your coward nation . You dont even have the courage to speak against them.
No fir was charged against those brahman who killed many inncoents shoodras. See what bala thakery and his organization is doing but no one in your country even your givernament cant do much about it
@ waqas ,
Balk thackeray is the only answer to katuas like you. You got a problem?
You want to take over india and rule it again? Try fighting 100 crore hindus, who have given up on mahatma gandhi’s ideology of ahimsa, now we believe in hinsa, tit for tat.
You muslims got more power to satisfy 4 women? Really? want me to give you a list of muslim women I banged? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@Waqas
We are talking about our authentic books(Vedas) and your authentic books(Quran+hadith). In our case if any thing goes against Vedas, we wont accept. Regarding Ramayan and Mahabharat, these are history books with many adulterations. So we judge it in accordance with Vedas, whether an act is good or bad. And we accept the truth and reject the false.
In your case, Quran and Hadith both are authentic. Can you reject your hadith in similar way as we reject false?
About Bani Qureja incident, forget Shibli. Go and ask any muslim scholar about this event and Rehana in particular.
You said- "Muhammad (PBUH) never kept a slave." Tell me brother, who was Maria?
@Waqas
Waqas, look at this video, a stupid muslim imam tries to justify killing of innocent people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64r-iWoTsX8
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3963122/10755861
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3963433/10756558
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3965285/10761646
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6751183/17545498
Waqas, how do u explain all these in the light of your superior religion, Islam the "bloody" message of peace?
@ waqas
Brother since your quran sanctions to have upto four wives, tell me how would you react if your father brings any other woman/women in your house other than your mother as a legally wedded wife? I will not take up the issue of concubines and sex-slaves!
. how would you react if your father sleeps wid other women, leaving your mom as mute spectator to his sexual raunches…and pls don't put up you-tube links saying that the same things happen in india too!
I AM ASKING THIS ONLY AND ONLY WITH REFERENCE TO QURAN.
Waiting eagerly for your reply, brother!
In ISLAM when u marry again when ur already married, then they r few things u should do.
1st of all u cant marry without ur wife's permission. 2nd when u have more than 1 wife u r supposed to treat them equally.. not like u give importance to only one wife and completely ignore the other,it's a big sin.. About me if my father were to marry again with my mom's permission than i have nothing to do with that what so ever..
@ waqas.
Brother, why this privilege hasn't been given to women?? Even a woman can fulfill all the above conditions viz. seek their husband's permission,love them equally,equal importance to all etc etc .
If a man has reservations about sharing His wife's body with others, why can't women have reservations?????????
@ waqas
brother have you ever tried to enquire about your ancestors? i mean 3-4-5 generations back? which religion they preached? what were their names?
just ask your father/grandfather about them. you will yourself discover about how you people were converted by force or by lure.
just to give an example I am showing you the family history of omar abdullah, the CM of J&K.
omar abdulaah is the son of farookh abdullah and grandson of sheikh abdullah. sheikh abdullah was the son of sheikh ibrahim..and for your surprise sheikh ibrahim was born to Ragho Ram Koul, a kashmiri Pandit, who was converted to islam in 1722 A.D.
you can surf wikipedia for the same!!!
In the same fashion, my brother, your family was also a victim of Islamic agression. Don't take my word at face value. go and urself enquire about you family history!!
sorry i'm replying instead of waqas.
why go to fore fathers and their history it's of no use and about what u said converted by force or something u r the biggest proof men!! u being a hindu, there is no forcing in ISLAM. The present Christians in saudi who r Christians from generation r the BIGGEST PROOF that they where not forced into ISLAM…. If it would have been the way like u say… i dont think so they would have been any non-Muslims at all in this world.. When u said u should know ur family history what were u thinking??. If our forefathers were wrong even we should be wrong.. Why dont u open ur eyes it's 21th century.. GOD HAS GIVEN U HANDS,EYES AND MOST IMPORTANTLY BRAIN.. so make use of it and search the truth ur self instead of doing what ur parents or forefathers did.. I'M A MUSLIM NOT COZ I'M BORN A MUSLIM NOR COZ MY PARENTS ARE MUSLIM, I'M A MUSLIM COZ I WANT TO BE..
@ghgh
so, islam doesnt force rite?, why dont u go and research about moghal empire Aurengazib, that asshole killed many hindus just because they wont convert to islam. And there were many other asshole moghals who forcibly converted hinduism or by imposing heavy taxes on them. Now poor hindus couldnt pay heavy taxes, so that is why they had no choice but accept islam. Otherwise, think of it, very less people convert to a religion by themselves, but pak afghan and india and bangladesh, the whole population is muslim so its obvious that these people were forcibly or tax wise converted. Yes I do agree, there were good moghals too that didnt convert any hindus, so that must be the same case with christians in Saudi.
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Agni,(Fire ?)
You are indeed playing with fire.You are up to something mischievous trying to discredit Dr Naik.Why are you afraid of his eloquence and command of the Hindu scriptures? Be positive man, learn from him.
All scriptures command man to do good and not sow hatred.I am very sure Prophets have been sent to the Aryan,Dravidian peoples of the subcontinent.Vedas maybe partial remnants of the messages they brought with them.( the untainted by human hands )
As for you, I suggest you study your scriptures in detail and God willing you will be a better person.
1. Does Zakir Naik know scriptures? He has simply copied from Qadiyani books blindly.
2. I would prefer to study only my books if likes of Zakir vow to not comment on others' books. Why should it be a one way traffic – that muslims can comment on everyone and everything, but no one should question them! Because Allah sent his angel to Muhammad stating that only his word is final, and rest should be destroyed!
3. In one article, I have suggested that original Quran was remnant of Vedas but mixed with nonsense by bloody followers of Muhammad including his child-wife who were killing each other. So all that is good in Quran is from Vedas. And all that is trash including concept of Heaven, Hell, sex-slaves, virgins in paradise, only one life, etc etc are trash or due to ignorance of Muhammad. I would suggest you study this aspect of Islam, rather than comment on other scriptures and call foul when they start analyzing Islam.
May peace be upon you!
@imtiyaz
why dont u tell zakir naik to speak the truthabout hindu scriptures and stop making lies. All of u idiots are are talking stupid just becuase zakirs's lies have been exposed. Muslims are known to be liars. And all of zakirs so called research is simply a copy paste from dr. haq's book who is an ahmediya whom u muslims consider worser than karirs. Grow up and realize ur evil religion that sanctions child sex and prisoner women slave sex. Quran is a book that sanctions evil, nothing else.
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@Arya @Vik and all dumb who hindu's who blindly trust the stanic and garabage verses of Vedas.
@VIK
here's your reference about Satti in Vedas
Rig Veda 10.18.7
“Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium (to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned.”
i know i know you would start barking and would say that's not the correct version . Or this vedas have been adulterated. or this is not translated by Arya Samaj. Where is Vedas written only Arya Samaj Will Say the right and all other will say bullshit about Vedas and other books
@Waqas
Waqas, tell me logically, how would u like it if I grab any verse
from the quran and interpret it my own way and send it to u. U would
obviously tell me to please read the exact translation. Even ur zakir
naik agrees there are many bad translations of the quran out there, but
he said only one is good and that translation is from Yusuf Ali.
@Waqas
Now,
any verse I take from quran, waqas, I always make sure its from yusif
ali since I dont want to deceive u. If zakir said Yusuf ali's translation
good then its obvious u must agree to it. Now coming to Vedas, I told
u there are 10 times more bad translations of Vedas out there as compared to
the quran. But if u want good translations of Vedas from Arya Samaj, please
go to http://www.vedicbooks.com, and quote things from those books.
You talk about double standards, ur the one who has double standards.
I always use Yusuf translation and u still dont agree. I showed u many
times verse 33.050 which sanctions sex with slaves and no need for
a debate since the answer is clearly obvious that slavery sex is wrong.
Even molvis agree that it states sexuality with slaves. Now please
dont say ur own head mullahs are wrong. I will get this verse checked and I will send u the real meaning of this verse for sure.
Have you even checked this mantra for once. Which Brahman did this translation? Or you picked it up from some random site? Which word in the mantra signifies fire or pyre? Just check your own translation. It says that women whose husbands are living should step into pyre! But Sati is supposed to be for dead husband, right!
In reality, the mantra has two words "Yonim Agre". Crooked foreigners twisted the mantra itself and started using it as "Yonim Agne". So "R" was changed to "N" to suite their own designs. No Veda Samhita available has "N". The real meaning is simple " Ladies First". Yonim means home. So as per this mantra, we should ensure that the women are always prosperous and taken care of nicely. And in the home, they should be the leaders.
And as I said, even if "R" of Agre is replaced by "N", it does not in any way talk about women burnig themselves with dead bodies of their husbands. Because the mantra specifically mentions "who husbands are living".
I find that many influenced by barbarism of West would deliberately try to find errors in Vedas when they do not even exist. They know no Sanskrit, they know nothing about these scriptures. But because one Nalayak states so, they have already decided that Vedas etc are bogus. Evidence is immaterial for them. Such fanatics are the greatest threats to society.
Its a shame that they cannot even openly condemn Osama Bin Laden. Why should they not be considered terrorists or their accomplice?
@agniveer
since the actual translation of Vedas approved by your arya samaj is not available on net therefor people use the resource wherever they get.
The way you described those verses i dont know whether you are saying right or wrong but it seems you are an expert in vedas. But if you are really a true vedic why are you spending time here asking for an apology from zakir naik which he is never going to and your arya samaj will never going to challenge him too. ieven he apologize what do you get ???? nothing so i suggest instead of creating a fitna between hindu;s n muslims do translate vedas and publish it on net so people can read it. I know you will never do that the way you never uploaded those videos(debate of zakir's allies and arya samaj) . you would just create rifts between two nations . when the right time would come . show me those video i challenged you. you dont have those videos or this kind of debate never happened it seems. i suggest you to encourage your cowards arya samaj leaders to debate with Zakir . Lol
@Agniveer
You want muslims to condemn Osama Bin Laden ?? have you hindu's condemned ever bhala thakhery that ass hole even dont allow other states hindus to come mumbai but even then you wont.
You want us to condemn Osama because the western world is sayiong so. Western world also called bhaghat singh a terrorist. you want me to call bhagat singh a terrorist too or do you say him terrorist too??? let me clear one thing here
i condemn all those attacks where normal human beings (muslims or non muslims) were killed . i condemn 9/11 attacks i condemn mumbai blasts 93 i condemn mumbai 26/11 and i pray who ever means whoever were behind those attacks should be punished to death and should be punished in hell forever.
but if you want us to condemn specifucal Osama. we cant because we dont know whether he did that or not if he did you can read my above lines. i think you have nt seen the documentary movie farhen height 9/11 by michael moore . see that your eyes would open
@ WAQAS,
i will do terrorist attck like osama bin laden, (withut lund) and then I wil deny it and ask you for PROOF. Is it okay? You dont know whether or not I did attacks on yur mosques, what will yu do? Cant I use your same muslim logic?
What word would be used for one who steals from others' research, and refuses to acknowledge. What words should be used to for one whose entire works are based on Qadiyanis but refuses to accept that? What punishment does Shariat offers for those who steal? WHy should Zakir not agree to this punishment if indeed he believes in Shariat?
@waqas.
Brother, you have gone insane
@Waqas
Waqas, read that mantra urself, thanks for the mantra in sanskrit. brother that mantra doesnt talk about sati at all. By the way Mr. Agniveer has refuted u on that already. U know and I know Mr.Agniveer is an expert in Vedas so he cant be wrong and he said that this mantra doesnt refer to sati at all. This mantra states that we should take care of our women and women should be leaders at home. U got this from wikipedia…from a garbage source didnt u?
@AGNIVEER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUbzJMQwoN0
AND THERE ARE MANY MORE YOU CAN SEE IN YOUTUBE
@AGNIVEER @VIK @ ARYA
hERE IS A PROOF WHCIH STATES AMERICAN WOMEN ARE 4 TIMES MORE THAN MEN CONVERTING TO ISLAM EVERY YEAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEkov0dzsw0
MUST WATCH VIDEO / IT WOULD OPEN YOUR EYES
@Waqas
1) Think of that time when people just started accepting idol worship instead of worshiping formless God. Idol worshipers would have also given the same logic of high conversion rate! Can high conversion rate for a religion be the measure of righteousness?
2) Embracing Islam by US/UK women does not imply to the truthfulness of Islam. Its just about change for those girls as they change their partners every now and then! Forget about US, just go to your mother (I have respect for her) and ask her about hijab and polygamy and tell me what she says.
you have not responded to my previous comments in which I proved washing of Muhammad by Zamzam and caliphate for Arabs only, from Hadith. You challenged me to give references, I gave. Would you convert to your original Dharma now?
@Waqas
You wrote-"it does not make a difference to choose one wrong thing after leaving another wrong thing". Brother, this is what I am saying. Be it idol worshipers of Arab or India, girls of UK/US, it does not make any difference to them whether they accept Islam or not! Yes of course, they are promised to get 72 virgins in jannat, and the girls who are lesbians would be very pleased to get those. You wrote-"why are not they(girls) accepting Hinduism …?". So it is again the same thing that a characterless person will choose a characterless cult. Like attracts like! A person of loose character can not befit with a religion of Vedas of noble persons. Regarding more strictness on dress and freedom of women, forget about US, even in India, not more than 20% of muslim women wear hijab. No mullah can issue fatwa in US/UK for a woman for consuming alcohol or sex. So dont give the logic of strictness.
2) If I would have believed the righteousness of my religion based on no. of people in it or converting to it, I would have become christian or muslim. It does not matter to me whether I am alone or with millions. I am not among those (like Zakir Naik and his followers)who in gathering of thousands, clap madly on conversion of a person from his belief to mine. The religion which you called as SHIT RELIGION was, what your ancestors used to follow and sacrificed their life to defend.
3) If I am still dumb, why have you replied now? You challenged me-"where does it mention that Gibrael washed the heart of Muhammad", you did not asked for "dirty heart", you can check your comment. I am sure that you had never read this incident and denied me first and when I gave you reference, you changed your words that I asked for "dirty heart". It was my conclusion that if something was needed to be washed then obviously it should be dirty and You have to accept that. You were first denying the whole incident and now twisting your words.
4)Regarding caliphate, if it would not have Muhammad's wish of an Arab to be Caliph then how could Abu Baker order against the will of Muhammad?
5)Brother, you have neither read Vedas nor all Quran and Hadith. You have assumed your path to be superior to others without comparing them. I challenge you, if you can point out a single verse of Quran which you feel is unparalleled and can not be matched by any mantra of Vedas, I shall accept Islam. But if I would do so then you would convert to Vedic Dharma. All the points should be made in the light of Vedas, Quran+Hadith and nothing else. Do you accept the challenge?
@Waqas
1)Brother, the language you are using here clearly shows who is jealous of whom. We were supposed to discuss Vedas and Quran+hadith, but you always bring in hindu and muslim. I have never said that a hindu is perfect, rather, I said Vedas are perfect. You still have not given a single mantra from Vedas in your support. I always refer Q+H. By the way in India, most of the people who are involved in prostitution-the owner and prostitutes, are muslims. So dont give me rubbish logic of high character of muslims. You can follow Vedic Dharma only when you pledge to live your life according to Vedas. This is called real transformation and it does not require change in name, reciting kalma, and reading namaaj. When a girl converts to islam, she is insured to get 72 virgins afterwards, wine, ghilmaan(boys), and many more things. So she, who had engaged with 10-20 partners till now, would be pleased to get 72 at a time. Thus she would be desperate to come to this characterless cult where after some years, she would get five times more amusement forever. If she wants to come to Vedic Dharma, she has to lift up her character otherwise she can not be called as Vedic.
2)I am giving here portion of Bukhari[9:608](remember 9 is volume, not book)
"Gabriel cut open(the part of his body) between his throat and the middle of
his chest (heart) and took all the material out of his chest and `Abdomen and then washed it with Zamzam water.". Moreover it is clearly mentioned in one of the other two hadith that his heart was filled with wisdom and belief. Now you can understand that first of all heart was washed and when it was cleaned then belief and wisdom were poured into it. If you still dont understand, go to any maulvi and ask him.
3)If Caliphate to Arabs only was not Muhammad's will then how could Abu Baker said so? If Muhammad really wanted any non arab to become caliph then Abu Baker overruled Muhammad. And muslim ummah has to follow Abu Baker as he was appointed Caliph after death of Muhammad.
4)Arya samaj has officially challenged Zakir 4 times, you can see it on google, but being stage performer, he asks us that how much crowd we can pull! So for him and semi literates who follow him have criteria of truthfulness of a religion as how much crowd one can pull!
5)If you give a single verse from Vedas which says that a woman or low caste has no right to read Vedas, I will leave Vedic Dharma the moment you show it. We were agreed to talk on Vedas and Q+H, dont drag anything from outside.
6)I follow Vedas. I discard everything which goes against it, be it puran or Quran. From now on remember this thing and refer Vedas only.
@Arya
it was you who brought muslim and hindu in debate. if you check out previous comments you would see agni asked me to show him proof about the conversion of americans to Islam i just showed you the proof . when i published that link did i say any thing about religion i just here is the proof of americans converting to Islam . Since those women have become muslims and you used pathetic language against them and it hurt me. Where in Quran and hadith,s it s mentioned that women will get 72 virgins . its only for men and for women its will just be a surprise. and the things you mentioned she is going to get that would happen after her death not after few years. When you think about white why only a sex word comes to your mind first . Is just sex can amuse people thats what displays your dirty mind. If its only about sex , she can have sex here with girls with men , she could ve become become prostitute in order to enjoy sex why she chose Islam where she will not be allowed to drink , will not be allowed to show her skin(the way hindu women does) , will not be allowed to go to night clubs or will not be allowed to change partners without marriage. If you comparison of proper islamic women and proper vedic women you would be able to know that character of Islamic women is much higher than your women.
as far as hadiths are concern you are referring me a hadith again and again. In first place you mentioned washed dirty and sinful heart i just wanted you tell me where does it say dirty and sinful. its was like an abolution . We offer prayer 5 times a day . every time before we offer prayer we do abolution wash our hands mouth head nose mouth what does that mean these parts have become dirty . Since Allah has only given this chance to our Beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to show him the heaven why Allah would choose a person who has a dirty and sinful heart . by just reading without understanding one can conclude things whatever he wants and if dirty minded person like you start concluding by itself then you can take the meaning whatever favors you .
If its some thing bad in islam why would we display it openly . You just type Bukhari Sharif and you see 100,s of web sites have published all books of hadith . We are not like you who could not even publish a single actual transalation approved by Your cowards Arya samaj on internet because they know after reading the actual translation if vedas people like you who blindly trust on Vedas will leave the religion too.
If you discard anything that goes gainst your vedas why dont you burn all those books then. i am sure there are more 70 crore hindus in india only and more than 70 percent of them are following these books only 20 to 25 are following vedas . Instead of bring me on your path first atleast try them to bring on your path. We muslims even though we have 72 sect (including Ahmediya) at least believe in the oneness of god .But look at your hindu people you have made more than 100 gods some are worshipping snakes , some to cows, some to elephant , some to different idols.
if you discard naya purana bhagawan geeta mahabhrtha ramayan so burn all these books . why following those???
@Waqas
1)Brother, I think you were involved in three separate debates with me, Agniveer ji and Vik. But first you assumed that this site is run by the above three. Then you assumed that all three of us sit together and give you answers and hence all the three are responsible for what any one of us writes. I dont know about brother Vik but I am not the owner of this site. I comment here just like you. Have you been ever questioned about anything which is written by muslims here? Then how can you drag the matter of Agniveer ji's debate into ours? Make your comments only on Vedas and/or my comments. You are continuing with the childish mentality of saying "your hindu actress". I am not here to write on hindu muslim but for your information, there are many muslim actresses working in india and pakistan showing their skins without shame. So better stick to Vedas and Q+H debate.
If any of my writings(except from Quran+Hadith) has hurt you I feel sorry. I never had this intention but I had to write it because I know their character. Just go to the countries of white girls and find how many muslim girls have stopped consuming alcohol, sex… Brother, those girls have liberty to test any religion and come back if they dont want it. It is not like Arab or pakistan that they will be hanged if they go against sharia. Forget about US/UK, I see many muslim girls going to their colleges in hijab but after reaching college, they become more fashionable than others. I am equally harsh on all those girls who wear vulgar dresses irrespective of hindu, muslim, christian. Same way I equally condemn idol worship, grave worship, man worship (considering a man to be God or including a man with God in prayer), be it by hindus or muslims or christians.
2) Why will not Allah give equal amusement to both men and women? Why cant a women get 72 men? And of course, at least in islam, the biggest amusement is sex and that is why, the biggest no.(72) of any pleasure is of virgins!
3) You asked me to show the hadith of washing the heart of Muhammad, you can see your first comment and I showed. Dirtiness of heart was a consequence of washing which I pointed out. Brother if you see logically, you need to wash the thing which is dirty. In fact your ablution is also for washing. Moreover if you read those hadith again, you will find faith and wisdom were poured into Muhammad's heart after washing. Now you can understand yourself why washing was needed.
4) Logic of displaying openly, the hadith, is not enough to prove the righteousness of hadith. This is really unfortunate that muslims do not see any bad in hadith which contain vulgar, cruel, and inhuman practices. I give some examples which I have given earlier too.
i) Ayesha said, "The Prophet used to place a pillow in my lap even though I would be menstruating, and then he would recite the Qur'an." (Bukhari, vol 1pg 197 Book of Bath)
ii)The Messenger of Allah addressed his wife Safia as “O You, bald-headed perished one!” (Bukhari, Kitabut Talaq vol 3 pg 143)
iii)Abdullah Ibne Umar was reciting the Qur'an. When he reached verse 2:223, he asked Naafe whether he knew the application of this verse. Then he went on to explain as:“Your women are your tilths. Therefore, go to your tilths, as you please. If you wish, go into her …” (Bukhari, Book of Tafseer 6:50)
iv) Ayesha said, “When Rasoolullah desired to have intercourse with me while I menstruated, he would order me to tie a piece of cloth around my waist.” (Bukhari, The Book of Menstruation vol 1 pg 24)
v) A woman presented herself to the Prophet. He intently gazed at her from head to toe and then lowered his head (meaning she did not interest him). (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:71)
5) I consider ramayan, mahabharat, Quran, and hadith, etc as history books. I am not bound to believe all those word by word. I do not regard ram, krishna, or muhammad as God or messengers. I shall not follow any of their act which is immoral according to Vedas.
6) Burning the books-Now you have shown true face of islam which orders to burn everything which goes against you. This is what muslims have done till date. They have burnt all those whom they do not like, they rape those who do not follow islam just to make their sons and daughters muslim! And most unfortunate thing brother, one of the sons of such a mother is praising the bastards who raped mothers and sisters of his ancestors, killed them and forced them to follow this barbaric cult called islam.
I again invite you to your original Dharma of your beloved ancestors in which you can taste the real Tauheed or oneness of God as it does not ask you to believe any Ram, Krishna or Muhammad. Read Satyarth Prakash to know more.
@Arya
sorry to reply you back was bit busy in my other things i know u must be comin back again and again on this website to see my reply but i really could not get much time to reply you. any how yea i should ve not brought you in that debate because i thought u that asshole agniveer and vik are on a same page because i never interacted agniveer or never questioned him he suddenly popped up in my debate with you guys . You are saying you the character of white girls because you have been to their countries bro i ve lived in uk for four years too and the girls i ve seen converted to Islam never go back to their previous lives as far as character is concern indian women character is almost like those white women character. 35 percent of indian women keeps 2 love affairs at the same time where in united states its 42 percent so its not a big difference. only in mumbai 50 percent of the girls lose their viginity when they pass out from the school and in united states it 54 percent again the difference is not big . i think then the character of indian women is much lower than white women. any how thats a different issue now coming back to your original points
you asked me why Allah does not give equal amusement to women too bro i m not god. Allah has kept some thing special for them as it is mentioned it would be a surprise for them.and as fas as amusement is concern we do not pray, do good to others, obey the orders of Allah to get 72 virgins. this is one of the gift that we are going to get but our only priority is too make Allah satisfies with us. we want Allah to be happy with ourselves. you wont understand that how does it feel to be a muslim.
Bro as far as hadith about heart is concern, since you are just reading it then you can make any meaning you want to make. you think you are very intelligent. do you only take shower when you get dirty. we do abultution bu it does not mean the part of body we wash gets dirty therefor we do that. we do that becoz Allah has asked to do that. let suppose if i do ablution as soon as i do that after some seconds my belly gas gets leaked i ll have to do my ablution again . You tell me by leaking gas how my mouth my hand my face my arms and hair get dirty . we do that again becoz Allah has asked us to do that. as far as washing Muhammad;s heart, Allah knows best why Allah asked Gibreal to do so but it does not mean that heart was sinful or dirty otherwise why Allah choose a person to show his heaven who has a dirty or sinful heart. you only see the hadith with the eye of critic because you only want to find mistakes in that therefor you could not see the sacrifices of Muhammad (PBUH). He was the best ever Messenger and prophet send to this nation and he was messenger and prophet for whole nation.
the other Hadiths you have mentioned you have taken them out of contecxt ? what kind of Vulgarity you see in those hadiths? sex is part of life and Islam gives a whole teaching to person to elad his life.in one of the hadith where Muhammad(PBUH) offered on of the slave to a sahaba, you know Muhammad(PBUH) asked that sahabe to return that slave and instead of kepping her slave Muhammad(PBUH) married her. He did not let that sahaba to take a women of that tribe . They were slaves over there too.the thing is its just mind thinking may be some thing moral for you immoral for me or some thing immoral for you moral for me.
i give you a simple example like if your sister and mother (with high respect) wear sarhi showing their belly and back moral for you but thats totally immoral for me and polygamy is immoral for you but moral for me.
its just the thinking nothing else
@Waqas
1)Brother, since you have again talked about hindu-muslim character so let me tell you that most of the prostitutes in India are muslims. You have not been able to answer the questions regarding Muhammad and his character, which I pointed out from your authentic hadith. You have nothing to say over Muhammad except that I have taken things out of context. Quran says- "They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean"[2:222]. But see Bukhari-"Ayesha said, “When Rasoolullah desired to have intercourse with me while I menstruated, he would order me to tie a piece of cloth around my waist.” (Bukhari, The Book of Menstruation vol 1:298)".
Now you tell me brother, did not Muhammad disobey Allah?
2) Regarding ablution, Quran says-"O ye who believe! When ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete His favor to you, that ye may be grateful." [5:7]
It is clear that ablution is required for cleaning and it is not a mere ritual. Regarding sins of Muhammad, check this out from Quran in which Allah says to Muhammad-"That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way".[48:2]. I can provide hadith also if you want but I think it is enough.
It is clear that Muhammad's heart was not only full of sins before he became prophet but he used to commit sins afterwards too.
3)So you agree that everybody has his own levels of morality. But then why do Zakir and other mullahs want these morals of Muhammad and Quran to be accepted universally? Why do they call Quran to be final word for everyone and Muhammad to be the prophet of whole mankind? By the way, sex slavery, polygamy are something which no prophet should have propagated as these are immoral practices suppressing women.
@Arya
dont give me a shit about muslims prostitute in india. you dont have clear facts about that. the stats i stated it was taken from your own indian survey group. 50 percent of girls lose their virginity when they pass out from school only in mumbai and i clearly said about mumbai not abot the whole india . if you are from mumbai then start thinking first about ur family too. YOU KNWO WHY THIS THING IS HAPPENING because of your broad minded formulaes therefor islam ask women to cover her body.
i dont think so you have ever read books about Hadith. you have only read those books which are written against Islam. Bro the hadith you are mentioning is not correct hadith . the correct hadith is
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
@Waqas
I live in India and know it better than you. I know the ground reality. I know that most of the prostitutes in India are muslims. I dont read books about hadith but I read hadith itself! If this hadith is incorrect then go and look at the book by a pakistani Dr ghulam jelani barq named as "do islam". You would find the similar translation there. Moreover, are these the deeds of a Prophet? Could not prophet control himself until Aisha would got purified?
@Arya
why do you have to go to take a reference from that book? y didnt u look it on internet or to read any other book to get more clarifications. i gave you a translation of Vedas about satti too. u said it was a bad translation did i say any word about satti after that. even though i m not still sure weather u were right or the guy who translated it was right because i dont know how to read sanskrit. where in this haidth it mentioned that Muhammad(PBUH) had sex with aisha while menstruating. my english is bad but your english is very good i gave you clear hadith then why did you ask this question again. i dont understand.
you said "i would talk about quran and hadiths and you talk about Vedas". i cant find vedas in pakistan. and its not even on internet. why dont you ask your COWARDS arya samaj to do translation for you so you can publish it on internet. you can find a whole Quran and hadiths on internet and therefor mashah Allah thousands of people are converting to Islam.
see read me comment again did i say 50% ratio of hindu women lost their virginity or did i say 50% ratio of girls in mumbai lose their virginity when they pass out from school. only hindus live in mumbai??? now why are you barking again that there are more muslim women prostitutes here than hindu . Dog i know there are multi religions in mumbai some are hindus some are muslims some are sikhs some are christians some are fake hindus who do idol worship. i said it about all of them . i just mentioned those stats because u said white girls are characterless so i said in reponse to them that your indian women also do not have a very good character. in india 35 percent women keeps 2 affairs at the same time and in us its 42 percent. so is it a really big difference that makes your women high character. do u have an answer for that. i know you wont but i even know you would still bark
@Waqas
Waqas, its true, majority of prostitutes are muslim. I am not being biased, I have proof. Historically, prostitution originated from islam or moghal empire. Otherwise today, in any indian brother u go to brother, why do they greet u islamically, like saying "adaab", "aslam alekum", and in many brothels they use the urdu language. Have u seen indian movies made on prostitution, why are they titled "Umrao Jaan" and "Sultana Begam", brother these are muslim names. I agree there are hindu prostitutes today too, but historicaly it originated from islam. And by the way, if u want those videos of Arya Samaj defeating islam, just type in utube "Arya Samaj vs Islam" or go to http://www.youtube.com/truthwisdom2008 and u will seee the debate
@VIK
first of all, you should have not come to this debate since it was not between you and me. i am already been debating you seperately since i did not reply you for 2 days does not mean i left the debate with you. i was busy with some of my personal things. Since you could not defend the debate about vegetables you have come up to prostitution now. first you said by yourself we eat vegetables when they die and since you could not defend that you brought the topic of classifications. the way you reply it seems you spent 2r hour on this website any how coming to your point. before i go further let me tell you whats the percentage of different religions in mumbai
Hindus (67.39%), Muslims (18.56%), Buddhists (5.22%), Jains (3.99%), Christians (3.72%), Sikhs (0.58%), with Parsis and Jews making up the rest of the population.
now thats the figure of mumbai . you can even confirm it by authentic resources.
50 percent of mumbai girl lose their virginity when they pass out from school accroding to survey done by indians in 2008 so you are sensible to calculate how many of them can be hindus. even if we take the same figure it comes up2 67 percent n muslim 18 percent. 35% of indian women keep 2 affairs at the same time since in usa its 42 percent so the there s not a big difference in figures so by calculating those figures in mind one can easily say that the character of indian women is like same of white women since you and Arya were calling them characterless women. but even if you say count the figures the percentage of muslims in india is 13 percent only and there are 80 percent hindus according to 2009 census.so again majority of hindu's women are corrupt then muslims. i know you would again blame muslims for this becoz you would say since muslims have fucked their mothers so therefor they are like that. its not about being biased or double standard. do u have a figure or stats where it says the percentage of muslim,s women prostitute is higher than hindus. As far as this web site is concern, it is run by the biggest asshole on earth. He lied on the first page when he said about zakir stating expert on hindu scriptures or even quran scriptures. his almost videos are available on internet and show me a single video where he stated that so that thing proves that AGNIVEER is a liar and a faggot as far as double standard of this web site is concern here is the proof. when i read your comments about Muhammad(SAW) and Quran literally i scrolled the whole page by the name of tere baap to see what he actually said about hinduism or your scriptures but i could not find that. I am sure he must have written some thing very nasty about your religion and therefor you responded that way but see his comments have been deleted i could not find it on this page and your comments are still there. thats a double standard. after happening all this if you still say thats not double standard then its up to you
@Waqas
Even if I take your translation, it still sounds vulgar. You wrote-"The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me."
Now you tell me that why Muhammad used to order Aisha to wear Izar? Did not Aisha always dress up properly as per your islamic dress code? If yes, why did Muhammad need to ask Aisha to wear something if she is already dressed? And if Aisha did not wear anything before prophet used to oerder, then it sounds vulgar. What teaching does a man/woman get from taking bathe from the single pot, and fondling even in menses of woman? What meaning of fondling a person take if Aisha was ordered to put Izar below her waist?
Regarding your statistics, now you have come to mumbai-paki girls debate! This was supposed to be Vedas and Q+H, right? Going away from the topic of debate clearly shows you have nothing to say now on our main topic and you are not in a position to defend that coward, pedophile, rapist, and lowest character sinner Muhammad. You did not reply to my another comment in which I showed you that Muhammad was a sinner. I give that here again-
Lets see who is stupid!
Quran [47:19] and [48:2] clearly state-
1. Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and for the men and women who believe: for Allah knows how ye move about and how ye dwell in your homes.
2.That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;
Thy is used for a person whom Allah is talking. It is clear that both verses are for Muhammad. Now I give example from hadith. Bukhari [9:93:482] says-"…..O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public…".
Now it is proved that Muhammad used to commit sins even during his prophethood. Now you should accept Muhammad as a sinner which I have shown you from Q+H.
Now ask yourself what is the level of morality do you and your prophet possess. If you want to still continue to say islam is the best and Muhammad is greatest man ever born then its your choice. You have abused many times arya samaj and Agniveer ji here. I can do that too and say anything about muhammad but I do not because I am not the follower of a coward pedophile sinner who insults his ancestors because he has been taught the same. I am not the one who praises the rapists, looters and invaders who raped his own mothers and sisters and invaded his motherland to spread the coward cult called islam.
@Arya
and the verse that you are mentioning it was for muslims and ummah not for muhammad(PBUH). Muhammad(PBUH) was the messenger. Thats what it shows your stupidity of thinking .
yea every body has his own level of morality so how can you say characterless women to white only . what makes you and your women having good character. Bro there is no level one thing is right and one thing is wrong thats it. if you are straight you want your wife to be straight too. Would you do wife swapping with your friend . i m sure you wont but there are like hundreds and thousands of whites who are doing so and thats moral for them and i know its totally immoral for you. Islam is a right religion and it is meant for the whole nation and thats our duty to spread it. i suggest instead of reading those books which are written against Islam, study catula books of Quran and hadith. if you cant inspite of bringing us to your path at least bring those 70 crore hindus who are doing idol worship. you dont even have aone web site whhere you cn find english translation if vedas approved by your PIGS COWRADS arya smaj. ask them to do so or do it by yourself so people can read it .
@Waqas
Lets see who is stupid!
Quran [47:19] and [48:2] clearly state-
1. Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and for the men and women who believe: for Allah knows how ye move about and how ye dwell in your homes.
2.That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;
Thy is used for a person whom Allah is talking to. It is clear that both verses are for Muhammad. Now I give example from hadith.
Bukhari [9:93:482] says-"…..O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in
the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public…".
Now it is proved that Muhammad used to commit sins even during his prophethood. Now you should accept Muhammad as a sinner which I have shown you from Q+H.
Now ask yourself what is the level of morality do you and your prophet possess. If you want to still continue to say islam is the best and Muhammad is greatest man ever born then its your choice. You have abused many times arya samaj and Agniveer ji here. I can do that too and say anything about muhammad but I do not because I am not the follower of a coward pedophile sinner who insults his ancestors because he has been taught the same. I am not the one who praises the rapists, looters and invaders who raped his own mothers and sisters and invaded his motherland to spread the coward cult called islam.
@Arya
you are just reading books without consulting it with any scholar so therefor you make meanings of your own choice.
thats the complete Hadith
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet used to invoke Allah at night, saying, "O Allah: All the Praises are for You: You are the Lord of the Heavens and the Earth. All the Praises are for You; You are the Maintainer of the Heaven and the Earth and whatever is in them. All the Praises are for You; You are the Light of the Heavens and the Earth. Your Word is the Truth, and Your Promise is the Truth, and the Meeting with You is the Truth, and Paradise is the Truth, and the (Hell) Fire is the Truth, and the Hour is the Truth. O Allah! I surrender myself to You, and I believe in You and I depend upon You, and I repent to You and with You (Your evidences) I stand against my opponents, and to you I leave the judgment (for those who refuse my message). O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public. You are my only God (Whom I worship) and there is no other God for me (i.e. I worship none but You)."
Muhammad(PBUH) was the messenger of Allah. the whole Quran was revealed on him means the whole Quran was the message from Allah to Muhammad(PBUH) so he can tell the whole world. if these words were only meant for Muhammad(PBUH) then it should have not be included in the Quran because Quran is meant for the whole world.
as far as hadith is concern, you just know there are hadiths but you dont know what does it stand for. haidths means the way of life Muhammad(SAW) lived, try to live that way and act open on the things which Muhammad(SAW) asked muslims to do. He was praying To Allah and we all know only Allah can forgive us. Muhammad(SAW) set an example by praying this (even though he was the best man on earth that has ever been sent in the world, and he even did not do a single sin in his life) that muslims always should pray to Allah and keep on asking
forgiveness.
you felt bad because i said wrong about agniveer and arya samaj. Bro Arya as far as agniveer is concern, the main purpose of him to make this web site to increase the differences betwen hinduism and Islam. he is a faggot a double standard person, whose rules are different for muslims and different for hindus. as far as you arya samaj is concern, why i call them coward there are two reasons. 1st that they can not raise a voice against dr zakir naik, they did not do peaceful protest against him, they did not held a press conference to ask Zakir for an apology .2nd reason is in this modern time they could not even transfer the vedas to english. According to you they have done so, so why not its on internet .you can even publish them by scanning pages. i would be more than happy with agni if in spite of making a web site against Islam and zakir he make a web site where one can see the actual english translation of vedas that way he could raise the voice against Zakir and can ask muslims and zakir to show a verse from vedas which zakir misquoted. but he did not do that/ he just made a web site so fool like you vik and me can fight on this .
as far as you said about my abusing (these are your words i am just copying and pasting it) "You have abused many times arya samaj and Agniveer ji here. I can do that too and say anything about muhammad but I do not because I am not the follower of a coward pedophile sinner who insults his ancestors because he has been taught the same". and i am sure you must have read the comments of VIK about Muhammad(SAW) and Quran but if you have not lets see then "Vik · 3 days ago
@tera baap
why dont u take the quran and go shove it back up prophet mohammad's ass? Ur zakir naik enjoys kissing prophet's ass, why dont u criticize him? All u muslims know how to make false propaganda, and u cant argue with facts and logics."
why did not you tell him the same thing which you told me or if you have not noticed that so would you ask him now ???????
you all have double standards. i could not read the comments of "tera baap" since it has been deleted by agniveer and it should have been because i know he must have said some thing really bad about your scriptures but why did not he deleted the comments of VIK. this is the double standard. i know you will not call it double standard and i will not it your mistake because thats how you have been taught. rules are different for different people like same in vedas caste system brahaman shoodra etc
@Waqas
Brother you gave hadith and wrote that Quran and Hadith are for whole mankind. Now you tell me, the verses in Quran which talk about marriages of Muhammad, Allah threatening to his wives when they opposed Muhammad, and many such things; hadiths talking about bathing of Muhammad and Aisha with the same pot, sucking the saliva of each other by Muhammad and Aisha, and many such things, do these verses and hadith have any relevance to the mankind? Moreover, there are many incidents related to the Arabs which are irrelevant for the others. Can Quran be still said as book for all and Muhammad prophet for all?
If hadith, which talks about the sexual relation of Muhammad and Aisha, bathing of them together can not be generalized to any man other than prophet then how did you generalize the hadith of sins by saying that it is to teach to others but Muhammad himself was pure? Either generalize both or dont do it to any of one.
As far as I have seen, Agniveer ji does not delete any comments. This is why you write here whatever you want. About Vik, I say that whoever started abusing was wrong. I did not read those comments of Vik and Tera Baap which you talked about. If Vik started it, he was wrong. But saying something offensive in the reply is justified and if that be the case then Vik did right.
Brother I tell you a true story about childish mentality of most of the muslims. In 1920's sometime, two books titled as "Kishan teri geeta jalaani padegi" and "Unneesavi sadi ka maharishi" from Lahore were published by muslims. First book was full of abuses for Krishna and second one was similar for Swami Dayanand, founder of Arya Samaj. After publishing these books, muslims were happy that they have slapped the kafirs. After few days, Mahashay Rajpal of Lahore published a book called "Rangeela Rasool" in which life of Muhammad was given as per the hadith. Remember there was no abuse whatsoever for anyone. But muslims got infuriated that how can a kafir say something about our beloved prophet! A coward called Ilm Uddin killed Mahashay Rajpal and muslims gave him the title of Ghazi and Shsheed.
This story proves the childish mentality of muslims that they can say anything to the beloved ones of others but when it comes to Muhammad, they think that everybody should respect him and whoever insults Muhammad, is "Wajibulkatl".
I know in Pak, this story is not known this way and they say Rajpal as guilty and Iimuddin as shaheed. In fact you have made a tomb for this bastard ghazi in Lahore.
So brother, come out of this mentality and respect elders of every faith.
@Arya
dont give me these stories about mentality or etc u have your stories to tell and i have mine. u were telling about the character of white women so i showed you the character of your indian women. so in your terms its justify.
i used to insult your arya samaj and agniveer because you people started insulting first Dr Zakir. who is arya samaj and agniveer for you? agniveer might be the husband of your sister but is he any kind of prophet to you or arya samaj are prophet for you? they are all normal human beings living in this world so like dr zakir. but you should have not abused Prophet Muhammad(SAW). did i ever use any bad language about your book Vedas ?? when i mentioned verse about Satti from vedas u said its a wrong translation ? did i even ever after speak about that??? despite the fact knowing that what Muhammad(SAW) is for us, u abused him because you dont have any thing left to debate.
i am not going o debate you after that . i have never debated with any one before but i chose this web site because i thought of you all as a sensible person but you guys are nothing but double standards.
can you show me what Tera baap has written against VIK or vedas . its been deleted but VIK s comments are stil there . thats what is your faggot agniveer.
it was very disappointment talking to you.
i am not going to debate to you any more
bye
@Waqas
brother, this is the mentality I was talking about. Should you respect only to those who are/were prophets? When you are always ready to insult the others then why do you expect that Muhammad will be untouched from the flame? This is just same as the incident I gave you before. If you dont have guts to listen about muhammad then never use such language for the other faiths or people.
This is also interesting that you accept a person to be the greatest man ever born even though he used to take bath with his wife from a single pot (with many people witnessing), having sex/fondling with her even during her menses and violating the law of Quran and many more… If you believe such person to be prophet then Agniveer ji indeed is 10 times a prophet than muhammad! Brother, be neutral while criticizing the faiths. Only God is the one who is free from all sins, and if you include one person into this status, it becomes "shirk" in arabic and also it is insult to the concept of oneness of God.
Hope you will come to your original dharma of Vedas some day in which you will not have to believe any person to recommend you for God's bliss.
@ARYA
after reading this it definitely proves the way you are taking side of agniveer, it means agniveer does sleep with your sister. either your english is bad or you just dont wanna understand the translation. sex and fondle is 2 different things . you tell me when did i criticiz eyour faith or your book . it was you who always criticized and it was always me who responded. i criticized vedas by mentioning satti you responded that did i ever question about vedas again? if i did show me the proof? when you have nothin left to debate you started cullshitting about Muhammad(SAW) because you knew you were losing that debate and there for you played this card. today i ma writing last time on this page
good bye forever to u all
@Waqas
you are taking side of Muhammad, so does that mean you are Aisha's brother? You did not tell if it was just fondling, why did muhammad use to order Aisha to wear some cloth around the lower part of her waiste? you did not answer the question that- was not Aisha already dressed up according to the islamic dress code always if she was being asked by muhammad to wear something? what meaning do you extract out of this whole hadith? I have always said that we are debating Vedas and Q+H. Whatever I write here, I give references only from Quran and Hadith.
About Muhammad- What can I do if the greatest(?) man ever lived had such a character that quoting anything about him from authentic hadith looks bullshit to you?
winning the debate- Brother, go to any of your pakistani friend or mullah, show him all the comments of our debate from the very first day and ask him about winning/loosing. You can do it yourself also by reading all the comments logically and cross check all the references I gave, and decide yourself who won!
May Eeshvar give us the courage to accept the truth and reject the false. May God bless you brother, good luck for the future.
@VIK
see this link about your india
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Indi…
and the link you sent me about Islam vs arya samaj . it looks more like a homemade video than a debate. the author of that video stated that msulim one of the guru of dr zakir naik have you ever ever seen him on peace tv????? can you see any other videos of him?? and the debate is happening in front of no more than 50 people. wah what a debate you did ?? wah . VIK actuallly before showing me this video you should have put your nose in water for some time so you could feel the embarassment.
@Waqas
go to the following link and see yourself Abdulla Tariq on peace TV
http://www.peacetvurdu.org/sp-syed-abdullah-tariq…
@Waqas
Waqas, see this link about ur pakistan,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Paki…
and it is shamefull for u that u didntnt recogince abdullah tariq of peace tv, even a dog knows all the bones in his dog house, but u dont know about abdullah tariq. THis video may look home quality thats because we dont have access to petro doolars like zakir naik of terrorosts funds. Now u see ur own islamist losing a debate to arya Samaj, so now u talk of excuses. BRother y dont u admit that Vedas are the only truth not the quran
@Waqas
Waqas, its sad to see that u behave childish at times. Brother, in america this no such thing called a sharia law, where a woman gets killed if she converts. White women are like experiment type, they enjoy trying out new things, even relgion. I bet many arab country women want to leave islam but they fear the severe punishments. At least hindus or christians dont have some shit law like that. One more thing, we hindus dont do dawah like muslims or evangelists like christians and recruit people to our religion. Vedic dharm is the religion of humans, and we let them live the way they want. SO dont consider our goodness our weakness. By the way, ur islam isnt too good either, check out how many people leave islam and dont forget to see the last video, a molvi (muslim religous leader) left islam.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Testimonies/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUBAvosmb5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbz2ZC59_yw&fe…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19FU7Yyx4D4
@Waqas
Waqas, listen to one thing. We dont have to respect islam because its a foreign religion which did not originate in Pakistan/India. The real religion that originated in ur Pakistan is Vedic Dharma. But u should respect it since ur ancestors were vedic followers. U know very well, if they werent there, u would not have been here. ON the other hand, we dont have to respect islam, but look how nice we are, we still show respect for it. Waqas, tell me one thing, suppose when u were little child and invaders enter ur house and kill ur parents. THe invaders take u with them. Will u consider those asshole invaders to be ur real parents and defame ur original parents?
@VIK
i know you have nothing left to say after seeing 20,000 americans converting to Islam every year therefor you started giving emotional dialogues. bro religion can not be originate from a country . There is no concept of domestic religion or foreign religion. a true religion is true religion and Islam is a true religion so you should accept the true religion
@VIK
you know after reading your comments about muslims leaving Islam i could not control myself to laugh . i know yoiu are not lying there might be muslim leaving Islam too but show me the authentic figure the way i showed you the authentic figure of a White christian reporter who came up on tv and stated more than 20 thousnad americans r converting to Islam and that figure has already been approved by Guiness world records too.
So if a vedic leaves india and start residng in USA what does that mean he is not hindu any more . Thats the weakness of your religion you are preferring your country to religion but we are muslims for us Islam is our first priority . We can sacrifice more than 100 pakistan;s on our religion . you dont care about white since they are not from india. shame on you vik we muslims dont think that way for us the whole humanity is equal they are our bother and sisters too and they are on wrong path like you . we want all of you to choose the right path and mashah Allah we are succeeding in it. Keep barking about 72 virgins and other things inshah Allah it wil not effect even .1 percent of thise people who want to be muslims.
YOU DONT NEED to put videos of muslims converting to hinduism
i can put 100 times more than you and you knw that too
here is a link of shankar acharya accepted Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6Ty-djVTc
heres another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIReDEW7R4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x1asHyRrto
here see what arya samaj president and shankar acharya saying about islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aQFWUbxUIU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbonykuq1Ws
now laugh at yourself
@Waqas
Waqas, what will u get by showing me a bunch of fake retards. The shankaracharya who accepted islam, go read his history in the first place. THis retard's name is ahmed pandit. Its surprising that all u muslims who lose to me in debates show me these videos over and over. Brother, ahmed pandit is not a public figure, that is why, I told many people, arrange a debate with me and him. Religon for religion. If he beats me in a 10 minute debate, I will accept islam. All i need is 10 minutes to strip him off of his dignity. Its an open challenge to him. But the problem is many muslims fear in debating me. Oh ya, waqas, check this out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32t0at0pZow …..Waqas getting back to our debate, u still couldnt refute my points of apostates and sex slaves.
@VIK
VIK what did you get after showing me a mullah converted to Christian ? If i show you some thing you say its fake and if you show me something that means its original. ok i agree the pandit or the girl who accepted islam are fake and the mullah converted to Christianity is fake too. show me the authentic proof where a neutral person report about conversion of muslims. i know there would be muslims are changing their religion but not many the way people are converting to Islam . the proof i showed you it was not broadcasted by aljazeera it was broadcasted by an english christian channel and the person who is interviewing and stating 20 thousand christains converting to Islam is a chrsitian too . thats the fact i am talking about it. Dont blame me it was you who started showing me a video where a single women left islam and single mullah left islam . i can show you 100 times more than those. If a hindu acharya leaves islam he is fake but if a muulah leaves islam it cant be fake . what adouble standard you have. the problem is here VIK i m the only one here fighting to you all. there is not a neutral person who could analyze things otherswise he would ve told you to leave the debate because you have already lost it . You could not even answer my question about eating plants and vegetables ??? you need justifiation can you proof scientifically whether a person and animal has a sould and plants does not. ??
@VIK
i can show you more than 100 times videos of thosew who left Hinduism after realizing its true nature ,
you mentioned in your previous comments that human bheings and anilmals have sould plants does not so there for we can eat plants. How do you animal have souls? show me a single animal which can speak and can say i know what i am which animal say i am an animal. since plant cant speak so that means we can kill then and eat them. i asked you before too to consult with botanist he would tell you plants cry planst laugh plants feel pain too.
so brother accept it at least you have lost debate on this topic and start eating non veg too . nothing going to happen .
@Waqas
Waqas, I told u before tooo. Only humans and animals have souls. The reason why know is 1)animals will hunt and move around for their own food. 2) they will respond or run away if someone like humans or other animals come to attack them. 3)look at chickens, when they see danger, they run away, because they know that they are chickens and they have to protect themselves. Now, do u see plants walking and running. When i bring a sccissors to cut plants, why dont they back away, instead of standing still and let me cut them. Plants are unalert. For the sake of argument even if i agree plants have souls, we only eat them when they die, or eat parts of them without killling them and those parts always grow back. Suppose if someone cuts ur hair and eats it, will u mind? No ur hair will keep growing, Now if zakir wants us to eat the entire family of creatures, besides plants and animals, why doesnt he eat humans, Our digestive system can digest humans tooo. Besides with humans u will get far more nutrition then animals, and moreover after eating humans, u will behave nicely like humans tooo? LOL, Waqas, people like u who follow fanatics become fanatics
@VIK
the answer i m going to give it you it would be your final slap to u of this debate and if you keep on barking again that would be your choice because you will only say bullshit after that and you would know that too.
your reason no 1: animal hunt and move around for food.
Answer : bro there are more than 300 Carnivorous plants which eat flies and other insects . i asked you to consult with botanist too but you did not and unfortunately you even did not research about it . go through with this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivorous_plant and you would come to know about those plants . you live in canada having ine of the finest schools and colleges and you dont know about these plants shame on you i was in 9th class when i came to knwo about a plant who eats flies. How it eats it open his cover as soon as fly gets in it close its cover so that clearly shows PLANTS MAKE PLAN TO EAT THOSE INSECT AND HUNT FOR FOOD TOO.
your reason no 2: Animals respond and attack
Answer : Human beings do that too. so you are trying to say if a person or animal is in coma and they cant talk listen see so we can eat them since they are not reacting back . i never expect that a person like you would give this kind of stupid logic.
You say we only eat plants when they die lolz hahahahaha bro VIK we also eat animals when they die we dont eat live animals another another stupid logic .
you say we cut those plants and they grow up again hahaha then start eating anilmal hairs nails your own nails your own hairs too because thats what is going to eb grow up again .
for the sake of argument i believe wat you said about eating parts and those parts always come back bro VIK you should have researched alot before talking to me on this veg issue . What about Potato . Potato grow up in the land and their roots grow up outside . when a farmer has to pluck a potato he has to take it all including his roots too and then he again has to put new seed in it to grow again. Here s another link about potatoes so you can increase your knowledge about Potatoes . and there are some other vegetables too who grow up like potatoes .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato
i think you should be given life imprisonment for killing potatoes
you potato killer LOLZ
@VIK
by barking here and there definetely proves that you have lost the debate. You did not answer about 300 Carnivorous plants . i speciefically asked you to read through that article but you did not read it at all. once you read those that would tell you how plants plan things to eat insects and flies.You also did not answer to me about POTATOES . you said you eat plants when they die on their own LOL start eating dead human being too and those animal too who die by their own . LOL and what about Potatoes i think you did not go through about the potato link too. go thru with the link and see how a farmer pluck a potato. since potato grow in the land and roots out side he pluck the potato by snatching the roots and on those places he throw the seeds again . you potato killers LOL
another joke you said you dont kill living fresh plant i thin k then you dont eat fresh fuits and vegetables and all blame should go to farmer who pluck all this for you right ??? since human and animal moves so you cant eat them and plant does not move so you can eat them what a stupid logic . i have asked you several times to consult with botanist or search on internet about the plants you would come to know plants strive for food too . same case if you dont drink water you will die after 2 3 weeks same case with the plants dont give them water they would die too. stop takin oxygen you would die stop givin them Corbon die oxide gases plants would die too.
i am sure you went through by the link i provided you and you have started beliveing plants have lives too but you are still debating just tom save your ego because you dont want to lose this debate but in real you already have lost this debate .
you are asking me to provide that plants have souls?? you should ve never asked me this question . i think you and me know we cant even provide evidence about human being and animal have souls?? can we ?? or you provide me the evidence
Enter text right here!@Waqas
Waqas, I told u many times, just because, plants can move or eat bugs doenst meant that they have a soul. Ur science is extremely weak brother, u bark without evidence. Humans and animals are classified under the same class called Animalia. An ur carnivours plants come under Plantae. GO get ur facts right. Animalia comes from the greek word anima, which means one who has soul, so if plants had souls, why not put them under this classification? Waqas, listen to me, dont teach me science, ok. u better get ur facts right first. Just because plants move isnt enought to classify them as soul holders. Brother Botanists themselves told me that plants dont come under Animalia class, then wot are u fetching about? Moreover, animals and plants forget classes, they arent even in the same domain, animals are in Eukarya and plants are in Eukaryota. Now do plants have nervous systems like humans and animals?
@VIK
the thing is vik whenevr you get a slap from one fact you run to another one and dont worry you are going to get slap from this too. First you said we eat plants becoz thats not a living creature and when i proved that plants are living creatures too you said we pluck vegetavles and fruits without killing them and then you said we eat them when they die and when i asked you about Potato you came to animalia thingy.
there is a famous saying think before you bark(speak).
any way the classifications that you are talking about are made by men. even if some one has classified men and animal in a same class and plants in different class it does not mean that they are not living creatures any more . You and me considered to be normals, a person who does not have a leg or arm comes in the category of disables, a person who cant see comes under the category of blind a person who cant speak n listen under the category of deff and dumb so does theses disablities make them less human being or less value able lives. if plant does not have the ability to move and talk it does not mean that they are not living creatures any more. how stupid you can be? no plants does not have a nervous system like animal and human being they have their own nervous system. same like with animal, animals have different type of nervous system than human beings. so why match them, ? we are not talking about classifications here bro? we are talking about living creatures and science has approved that plants does have life too
@Waqas
Waqas, ur the one barking nonsense facts out there not me. Waqas, I have given u scientific facts here, now if u still disagree, i cant help it. This classification was made by scientists not me. I am pretty sure they know more than both of us. Besides, if plants shared the same qualities as humans/animals then they would definitely be put under Animalia and not Plantae. Now that is not the case. I am not saying this, but scientists are. If u disagree with me, u disagree with modern science, which shows ur just an idiot. Plants and micro organisms move due to chemical reactions taking place, but these organisms dont know who they are, like animals and humans.
@VIK
it was you started barking about eating live and dead things since you could not defend that so you now have come up to classifications . you know who you are i know who i am can you explain this to animal? only human being will know who we are and how we need to react. same case with animal? can u ask an animal who u r i know a stupid like you might ask but do u think he would he is animal or he is lion etc. same case is with the plants bro . since they cant speak it does not mean they have living creature. how a non living creature can grow u tell me. if i dont give water to a flower y does it die? forget about classes? modern science even does not belive in God so would u start beleiving in them too?? modern science does not believe in soul? would u agree with them on this too? modern science does not believe in ghosts too so dont give me this stupid science logic. According to ur modern science plants are living creatures, the germs are living creatures and i have given you simple example of insect eating plants . what would u say to them? insect has totally different nervous system than animals and so on with human beings and so on with brids and so on with plants . you potato killer you have lost this debate . i know you will never admit that and you would keep barking , i ve got no issue keep on doing it .
@Waqas
Waqas, do u possess a brain of a donkey? what kind of stupidity are u talking about. U tell me that I have double standards, look at u? First u agree with modern science of their sensors showing plant pain and feelings and now why I slapped ur face hard with a scientific fact that plants are not classified under Animalia, now u say science is not advanced to talk of these things. Will u make up ur mind, either stay with science or not? Who told u modern science denies the existence of GOD, think before bark and try using ur donkey brain more effectively. Newton, Gallelio, Einstein, were all GOD beleiving scientists, want anymore proofs? Potatoes are living, thats the biggest joke i ever heard Waqas. Fanatics like u would even try to prove that toilet seats are also living creatures (LOL). Looks like after revolving around the blackstone of mecca u have become dizzy and now ur brain is not functioning properly. Grow up please. Humans, animals, insects, are all under animalia. Plants are not. This is a scientific fact.
you Potato Killers
@VIK
every time you agreed to speak about vedas and quran but when you have nothing left to say you bring hindu s and muslims in the conversation.
your hindu sisters are even worst than white christain women look at your celebrities they keep on changing their partners every day. so does that vedas tell them to do so???
look at your realty shows where women spend nights with other people do steamy and sexy scenes just to get fame and money ? so does that vedas tell them to do so ?
before pointing out my colleges and universities look your indian web sites where you can get thousands of hindus porn movies , hidden cam movies of your hostels and colleges and universities . som does that vedas tell you to do so ??
you have more than 500 night clubs only in mumbai where drinking is allowed , dancing is allowed / so does that vedas tell you to do so ???
bro i can go on n on n on but i m limiting myself here . if you have nothing left to say about vedas and quran just leave the debate .
i think you come here for fun to take fun in debate .
@Waqas
Waqas, I dont plug things in from the sky. I spoke about muslim women because in one ur replys u said somthing like hindu girls do bad stuff and asked is that what Vedas teach u? Brother, listen, lets just stick with Vedas and Quran. Otherwise, here u tell me, things about hindus, and I will keep telling u things about muslims and this agrument will result in a phase declaring both of us as idiots. THe truth is there are good and bad people in EVERY religion. I never said every hindu is good out there. Brother so far, u are running away from my demanding answers, Brother I told u many times to give me moral justificatoins to islamic verses of the quran.
@VIK
your last paragraph shows that how big liar you are. your and my commenst have npt been deleted yet . U said u spoke about muslims women after wen i spoke about Hindu women. Tell me where did i get start speaking against hindu women or you are forgetting . you respond about muslim women when i was giving explanation about conversion of chrstian women i m just copying and pasting it from my previous comment
" In hinduism women can show thier belly and back the way your women wear sarhi , in jewish they can do what evver they want so its better to choose these religions where they still have freedom to do anything. Why only Islam ? where they have to Quit drinking, Alcohol, Sex, they have to cober their whole body from head to foot. Why iSlam then ."and then you responded with this
"Waqas, who told u that muslim women dont drink, brother, i have seen many muslim women doing things that even white women havent done. Especially Pakistan, go look in ur colleges aand skools and see wot ur muslim women are upto. Go to Heera Mandi in Lahore. I can send u more videos of people leaving islam, if u insist.""
Tell me where did i say bad about your hindu women in my conversation . i said bad after when you bullshit about muslim women .
so i think i have proved that you brought muslim women first so atleast give yourself a slap or apologize
now coming back to your question about the moral justification of sex with slaves. Bro i have justified it many times but you dont want to understand because you have only point in Quran that you are dfiscussing again and again the thing is i cant justify it moraly untill unless we have the same criteria of ""moral"".
in some cases something moral for you does not mean moral for me it can be immoral for me and like wise some thing moral to me does not mean would moral to you too .
i give you an example if your sister or mother (i have huge respect for them, they are like my sister and my mother too) wears sarhi where her belly and back clearly visible to others may be moral for you but its immoral for me the same way polygamy is moral for me and its immoral for you.
so there cant be a single criteria of being moral. I was reading a news other day where hollywood actor charlie sheen and his wife use to share their bed with another women too because his wife was bisexual thats moral for them but the same thing is immoral for us . so your criteria and my criteria of moral ism is totally different . i will not be ably to justify you ever.
@Waqas
Waqas, u can clearly see, that u started all this. U first said, hindu girls show their belly, then i decided to talk shit about muslim women. Waqas, even hindu women wearing sari and showing their belly, I find that immoral and bad. I am not being biased here. I am against all evil or immoral things. Vedas definitely dont tell u, to dress up in this manner of exposing ur self. I prefer all women in my family to wear salwar kameez since its perfect of no exposing. Otherwise everythingelse is immoral. Brother, tel me one thing, do u see any morality in having sex with slaves? Waqas, I agree u need the permission of the slave to have sex with her, but even if she permits, do u still find that moral? Waqas, think logically brother, I think sexuality should only be done amongst spouses. Waqas show me one point of moral proof, of sex with slaves.
@VIK
i did not mean to insult at all to your hindu women of showing their belly and back if i had that in my mind i could ve said the same thing which i said about christian and jewish women but i specifically said totally different about hindu women because i never wanted to insult your women . insulting your women was not at all in my ming i thought every hindu women dress up like this thats what i see on indian channels . i hardly see any one your women wearing shalwar kameez . khair thats a different matter. and i really appreciate if you prefer your own women to wear shalwar kameez . I m impressed.
see even sex with slaves is allowed in Islam but you dont see this practice happening in todays muslim world. some one send a women slave as gift to Muhammad (PBUH) but Muhammad(PBUH) never kept her like slave. Muhammad(PBUH) married her and she was also became the mother of Muhammad's(PBUH) son. look out other hadith in many hadith,s it mention and Muhammad(PBUH) ask his followers to freed slaves. In that era, even if they freed slaves they dont have any where to go . slaves preferred to live with Sahaba's. so in order to fulfill salve's sexual satisfaction , some sahaba's did have sex with slaves but with their consensus. slaves were happy with them because they were treated badly before and they had been raped too. This thing happened only in that era. you wont see a single hadith where Muhammad(PBUH) ask muslims to keep slaves and have sex with them. so there for this practice does not happen any more, i know you have shown me the video of an arab keepin a slave since it was not proof but even if it happened. it was wrong
@Waqas
You wrote-"you wont see a single hadith where Muhammad(PBUH) ask muslims to keep slaves and have sex with them"
Brother you knowledge of hadith and Quran seems to very weak, just see below-
1) We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.'Bukhari[1:367(1 is volume not book!)]
2)Quran [33:50] states-
"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee…… We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."
3)…Sa`d said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sa`d! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah". Bukhari[4:280]
Now you will say these verses have been quoted out of context…
It is not so difficult to understand the fact as to why women are converting and the answer is in islam itself.
Sahih Bukhari: volume 3, book 48, number 826 Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a women equal to half that of a man?" The women said "yes". He said "This is because of the deficiency of the women's mind."
No wonder these less intelligent creatures turn to islam only to repent later.
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/People_Who_Left_Isl…
the only reason they cannot come out in public because u "peaceful loving" people will be baiting for their blood.
@SDC
i have already told you i m not going to reply you so stop asking me questions and find another person to debate. i only talk to sane people not to biggest idiot . If you really belive the authenticity of wikipedia that means Vedas allow Sati.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)#Argu…
that means what ever wriiten in above link is right about your SHIT dharam.
The problem with those white dumbheads is that they do not live under an oppressing islamic regime as yet. They should have been born in islamic countries like pakistan, somalia, iran, yemen, etc. My advise to them is to visit these countries and if possible take the citizenship of these countries and get a taste of things firsthand. There is a saying in hindi for these people, "kutte ko ghee hazam nahi hota."
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201…
http://www.faithfreedom.org/category/image-galler…
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201…
http://en.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-4…
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM…
First of all, Waqas get ur facts corrected. The link was not a wikipedia link, it was link to the website wikiislam.org by ex-muslims or apostates. By the way, you said "i only talk to sane people not to biggest idiot (obviously was meant for me)." So, at least you consider some of us sane. Thank God!
@ @ waqas
Brother since your quran sanctions to have upto four wives, tell me how would you react if your father brings any other woman/women in your house other than your mother as a legally wedded wife? I will not take up the issue of concubines and sex-slaves!
. how would you react if your father sleeps wid other women, leaving your mom as mute spectator to his sexual raunches…and pls don't put up you-tube links saying that the same things happen in india too!
I AM ASKING THIS ONLY AND ONLY WITH REFERENCE TO QURAN.
Waiting eagerly for your reply, brother!
I am copy pasting it again and again coz' i want waqas to reply!!!!
Islam doesn't degrade women in fact it uplifts them. Hijab is to protect their modesty.. it saves them from the filthy looks of perverts.. But u people in the name of uplifting women u r exposing them.. Dont tell me that, u dont get hooters if u see a half naked women in magazine or TV, if not ur not straight.Islam doesn't degrade women in fact it uplifts them. Hijab is to protect their modesty.. it saves them from the filthy looks of perverts.. But u people in the name of uplifting women u r exposing them.. Dont tell me that, u dont get hooters if u see a half naked women in magazine or TV, if not ur not straight.
in Islam if u have more than 1 wife, u r suppose to treat them equally and mostly they marry widows and divorcees 2nd thing there is more female population then men in America alone there is 6%more females then men in Europe there is 9.6%more females than men in all the countries there is more female population then men except few backward countries like India, pak,Bangladesh etc coz they do abortion when they come to know it's a female child. If they stop doing abortion of fetus then even in these countries there will be more female population then men.. Consider if a man has only one wife, what about the other female population who will be left out with out a partner. So there will be one option they should become public property u might say "PUBLIC PROPERTY" such a harsh word, believe me i cant think of any other word better then this..
@ghgh
What about men? Who will uplift them? Islam does not teach man to control himself. Why should not men veil his eyes rather than forcing women to wear hijab? And what about a man whose face is seen by a woman? Should not he also wear hijab?
You seem to be another victim of brainwashing skills of Zakir Naik. Instead of believing false figures, visit "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio" and get actual figures of sex ratios worldwide and interestingly, Arab which is birth place of islam has highest male/female ratio. So polyandry should be practiced there by your logic!
@GHGH
brother, if below 65, male/female ratio is either 1 or more then polyandry should be allowed as per your logic because one would prefer marrying before 65 and not after that!. Its funny that you have yourself given the figures which contradict your logic. That is why I called you the victim of brainwashing skills of Zakir Bhai.
Are HIV and AIDS two different diseases? Go to any doctor and ask him and you would know that polygamy is no less disease causing than polyandry.
Refute the points made by Agniveerji and others logically. Dont be a parrot who says anything without having sense of it, we already have one in the form of Zakir. By the way, Mahabharat is not a revelation which any hindu believes to be from God and neither Draupadi or Pandawas are role model. Give the proofs from Vedas only.
I invite you to come to Vedic Dharma of Vedas which is free from all falsehood and contains the absolute truth.
@GHGH
like ur master zakir, u must be blind as well. In every country there are more males than females. SO should he practice opolyandry . Now, go do ur homework before opening ur big mouth.
@ghgh
According to your data, there are less females in Indian sub-continent than men! Then why shouldn' women indulge in polyandry?? There is a very high probability of men becoming public property!!!!
Who will save the men from the filthy looks of those pervert women????
Going by your idiotic logics, its high time that men(read:muslims) in the indian sub-continent should start covering their faces, or else they may become victim of Women perverts!!!!!!!!
U REALLY DONT HAVE SENSE OF LOGIC.. IT'S JUST UR POINT OF VIEW. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE MORE MALES IN INDIA DONT U THINK WHATS GOING ON RAJASTAN IS A BIG PROOF IN IT'S SELF.
ONE FEMALE IS MARRIED TO MORE THAN 3-4 BROTHERS( LIKE THE PANDAVAS)..
ANY WAY IF U TALK ABOUT INDIA,,, HOW MANY MEN DO U THING ARE UNMARRIED???
Someone has mentioned on false hadees about prophet that he suggested to drink camels piss and use it for medicine purpose.. From Bukhari in the books of WADHU.. before i continue let me tell u WADHU MEANS ABOLUTION.. the topic of camels, piss and medicine.. is completely of different topic.. that hadees is not there at all, someone has made it up to justify it with what hindus do (drinking cow's piss, all though few dont do it).
about jihad mentioned in 1st few comments..
jihad means to fight for ALLAH… what u people r doing like arguing with each other is also a jihad, when u r hungry but still dont steal and fight against ur will is also a type of jihad..
mostly few verses from QURAN about jihad are used to misinterpret that… to understand that u have to go to the context.. Where muslims r fighting with the mushriks of meeca.. That's why ALLAH says kill the non-believers if u see them..
like in mahabahrat where arjun says i cant fight against my brother then vishnu says u have to fight it's a fight bw good and evil, it was a battle..
same thing is over here also muslims were going to the battlefield..
No one would say like "dont kill ur enemy" before entering into a battle..
Like indian's woudn't say like dont kill the pak or Chinese when they r in a battle against them they would definitely say go kick their ass's..
after that verse where ALLAH says to kill the kafirs he says "but negotiation is batter" where ever ALLAH mentions any thing about fighting at the same time he suggest that negotiation is better..
@ghgh.
jihad invariably means to fight and kill, and on this forum we are neither fighting nor killing!!!!!All we are doing is , defending the oldest culture from some nefarious designs, which has caused unimaginable harm to humanity, since last 1400 yrs or so…
And we are merely rebutting the false propaganda by that Parrot Nayak, instead of forcing anyone to accept a particular faith!!! Herein I shall provide you with some verses of Quran, which proactively advocates violence,irrespective of any provocation.
You very rightly said that Krishna asked Arjun to fight as it was a fight b/w good & evil!!! But My dear, it was all done in self-defence and for their rights. On the other hand, the approach of Quran is merely restricted to conversion , by hook or by crook.
Moreover Shri Ram & Shri Krishna never kept women as Sex-Slaves, unlike Muhammad & his Maniacs!! Infact if you see things at a Macro-level, the fight of Ramayana & Mahabharata was all because women were disgraced!!!
Qur'an (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Qur'an (3:56) – "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
( How can God be so cruel!!)
Qur'an (3:151) – "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"
Qur'an (4:89) – "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Qur'an (4:95) – "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
( This verse clearly falsifies you when you say that even arguing in the name of God is Jihad)
Qur'an (8:12) – "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
( Any sensible explanation to this??????)
The list can go on & on…
Lastly, you said ," after that verse where ALLAH says to kill the kafirs he says "but negotiation is batter" where ever ALLAH mentions any thing about fighting at the same time he suggest that negotiation is better..
What is this Negotiation For?????????
"You accept my faith,or I will kill you and keep your women as sex-slaves" !!
@ghgh
I agree that there are verses in quran which advocates peace.
This only exposes its contradictory nature!!! and this is precisely what Agniveerji has been saying on this site.. ,"How can God's word be so contradictory?????"
@ghgh
Your hate manual koran justifies fighting against kaffirs because of their religion, they dont accept islam. What a third grade religion. Yur kashmiri muslim brothers are doing the same to hindus.
Do you really expect us kaffirs to NOT fight back for our faith? Why do these kashmiri muslims cry buckets when the Indian army/paramilitary forces fight back?
When september 11 happened all muslims worldwide were celebrating, then why you cry when america attacked afghanistan and carpet bombed it?
Arent you muslims one big bunch of CRY BABIES?
– “Sati Pratha” is nowhere mentioned in Hindu scriptures. Not a hint of it. ‘Sati’ is an ancient Sanskrit term, meaning a chaste woman who thinks of no other man than her own husband. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his wives commit suicide. The famous examples are Sati Anusuiya, Savitri, Ahilya etc. None of them committed suicide, let alone being forcible burned. So how is that that they are called Sati? The term ‘Sati’ was never accompanied by ‘Pratha’. So ‘Sati Pratha’(in its modern avatar of forcible widow burning) is not a fault of Hinduism but a crime of Islam. The origin of “Sati Pratha” comes from Mediveal India mainly in Rajasthan Rajput families when they were fighting constant Islamic Invasions. These invaders did not follow the moral ethical code for the civil populace and raped their women and butchered their children. The brave Hindu Rajput women chose death (Jauhar) out of pure fear of Molestation and Rapes committed by Muslims after victory. They built big cauldron like pots, lit then with fire and jumped into them, to die voluntarily and happily in order to save their honour and chastity.
@All Muslims, the real kalima is:
THERE IS NO ALLAH, BUT ISHWAR, AND HE HAS NO PROPHETS
@VIK
you should ve not said these words about Prophet and Quran. u said it without even thinkin that one could use the same word about your VEdas too but i know you guys dont feel bad alot if some1 say bad about your books. but it really did hurt me. i m disappointed with your words.
@Waqas
Waqas, as u mite know, this reply wasnt for you, there are many fanatic muslims out there who call us "without balls" and disrespect our Vedas. So I have the right to retaliate. I really apologize if it hurts u, but as I said, this reply was for those people who insulted my religion. They must be muslims, I mean who else can show this much hatred towards hindus. I told you before, we Arya Samajis have defeated ur islamic scholars, but maybe muslims like u cant accept it, so u start abusing us. By the way, mine intention of hurting u or muslims is nothing compared to what zakir naik has done. Zakir naik has simply lied about our scriptures that we have to reject Vedas and follow ur quran. How hurt do u think we hindus are? If muslims enjoy spreading the truth, then why cant they accept the truth?
@WAQAS, CRY BABY,
Get this translated.
La illaha mafi allah
mohammed dur rasul shaitan.
Got sufficiently hurt?
Dont come on this website, there are real brainy intelligent people here to debate with you. And some of us even fluent in arabic.
Aur tu pahle tameez seekh kar aa.
tere jaise faltu log hi fasad failate hain
jis tarah islam ke kalme ko tu itni behudgi se kah raha hai na waise hi agar koi tere dharm ko isi tarah kahe to tujhe kaisa lagega.
pahle izzat karna seekh
phir log teri izzat karenge.
@Waqas
Waqas, its not a matter of comments being deleted or not, the thing is that time many muslims talked nasty about my religion, even went up to the extent of showing disrespect to my family, plus this tera baap guy was saying that we hindus dont have balls, so I retaliated. Waqas, the prostitution part, I am talking about history, not today. Today there is prostitution everywhere, even saudi arabia and iraq and pakistan. Now, its obvious that those women are muslim. Waqas, as far, as plants go, listen Waqas, I never made this classification of animals and plants, scientists did. Now u tell me, do plants have a nervous system, red blood, and bones like animals and humans? I agree, plants are living things, but it doesnt mean they are living in a way like humans and animals. Plants feeling pain, is still a debate going on. Its not a fact yet. Some say they do. Others say its only a chemical reaction taking place. Now logically Waqas, think about it, why did GOD make our frequency in such a way that we cant hear the plants? When we kill a human, and animal, we can hear their suffering, but why not plants with our natural state? The sensors were all invented by science not GOD.
@Waqas
Waqas, brother, now I am convinced that u are equally stupid like zakir naik. Brother, there is a huge difference between humans and animals. According to ur stupid logic, then humans should eat humans too, since lions, snakes are all canibles. Brother, I agree lions,cheetahs,tiger,etc, all are meat eaters. But ur forgetting one thing brother, animals dont know wots right or wrong, only we humans have this knowledge. Even if u walk before a lion, he will try to eat u too. Until now, I was suspicious of ur stupidity, but now im convinced. How can u compare a lion to a human. Some animals even eat their own shit, now Waqas, y dont u try the same since u want to project animal habits upon humans?
@Waqas
Brother, I told u before too, Plants feeling pain is not a scientific fact. In fact, there is a debate going on amongst scientists, so say they do feel, but majority say they cant feel pain since plants dont have a nervous system like humans or animals. Brother, u know, I clearly won this debate. I gave u scientific evidence of classifications which are made by scientists not me. I agree Plants are living organisms but u cant catgorize them in the same class as humans and animals. If u choose to eat animals, then my question to u is brother, wots stopping u from eating humans? Even human flesh can be digested as well?
@VIK
if your main purpose is just to win the debate by giving false logics and stupid scientific facts then ask arya and that faggot Agniveer to come to this debate and annouce that you have won.
forget about classifications, even if classification animalia was made, its not made by God its made by scientist. we are all human beings but some are disable some are blind some are deaf n dumb. some one has made these characterization too. so would you separate disables from normal. Idiot. you just have a childish mentality.
it has been proved that plants feel pain its not a myth any more. it only gave me a laugh when you said majority feels they cant. bro search again. dont give your stupid scientific logics by yourself .
Plants most likely feel pain because when they are yanked out of the ground or get cuts, they release a substance which resembles what our brain releases when we injure ourselves.
here are some links which clearlsy states by the labortary that plants do feel pain
http://www.department13designs.com/vegan.html
or just type do plants feel pain in google and see thousands of searches stating it does. by sitting on internet how can you give of your own scientific logic. LOL .
you stated this line"I agree Plants are living organisms but u cant catgorize them in the same class as humans and animals " it only shows your illiteracy nothinh else that means if same scientist has categorized human beings into normal and disable so the value of disable person is less than a normal human being.
now keee barking i won i won or ask that asshole faggot agniveer to announce you as a winner
@Waqas
Wow, Waqas, whenver I give a slap to ur face with scientific facts, then u say they are stupid or false. And now u urself use science as a defense. Brother, our original debate was about islamic principles from the quran, and now u make me look as If I am standing in a food market judging who feels pain and who doesnt. Brother, wots the point of sending me links to sites, here u send me a links that says plants feel pain, then ill send u a link to a site that shows plants dont feel pain, brother, this debate is similar to u showing me bad deeds of hindus and I showing u bad deeds of muslims. Brother, if u enjoy throwing links at me, then catch this link as well.
http://ar.vegnews.org/plant_consciousness.html
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/news…
I really hope we return to our original debate of sex slaves and apostles. Brother, I send u the videos of arya samaj debate with abdulla tariq of peace tv, now I dont know why ur making dumb excuses like bad video quality less people, etc.
@VIK
You slapped me with scientific logics? lol i think you did not read even one of your own link. read the second link again it cleary states plants react to injuries like humans. Idiot. i even asked you to just write "do plants feel pain" in google search and see what does the first 10 pages say about it. All of them say yes they do feel pain. since you could not defend this topic now you have started saying about food market. the argument we are doing about vedas and quran since your book says not to kil animal at all. bro vik we muslims only allow to eat those animals who cant eat meat. Allah has made these animals and plants for human beings some are for ride and some for eat. if killing animal is wring then i think riding on animal is wromng too. why a horse had to take a warrior to a battlefield why not a horse rides at human being stupid.
as far as slavery is concern we have talked enough about it. this practice does not happen any more. at that time non muslims used to have sex so when muslims conquered them muslims freed lot of slaves and they kept some too. it is not mandatory in Islam to have slave. and the video that you talking about it does not even seem that guy to me . it looks like since your cowards PIGS Arya samaj could not debate zakir they made that home video to show some hindus that we debated islamic scholars and defeated them. the voice quality is too one hardly can understand who is saying riught and who is saying wrong
@Waqas
Waqas, either ur ears are bad or ur volume is low. We all watched the debate and we clearly heard it well. As far as the video goes, u were the one who was anxiously waiting to see arya samaj defeat islam, now ur showing attitude that sound quality is bad or less people or debate was unfair. Brother, we are not rich like zakir who can give u good quality, but one day we will and will also debate zakir. Many attacks have already started against him now, lets see how long can zakir defend himself. Brother, Abdullah Tariq is an islamic scholar from Peace TV, he is not some regular person. And we defeated him, if u seen the end, Pt.Mahendra Pal Arya ji challenged zakir untill Qayamat (doomsday as per islamic bleef). Now u cannot accept the fact that ur islam has lost to Arya Samaj
If in this video Islam has lost to arya samaj then in the debate between zakir and vegetarian soceity president rashmi baiza veri arya samaj lost to islam but you will not accept that. even in that debaterashmi zaveri tried to run from that debate. what would an arya challenge to zakir they cant even do an english translation of your vedas. if they have done it, instead of watsing time why dont YOU publish it on internet. He is a coward like agni to challenge him in front of few people, he does no have guts to speak against him in a press conference. i know you would say now, zakir has links with osama and osama funded zakir to do so. then you should be ashamed on yourself that your indian intelligence even cant catch a guy who ha slinks with Osama. If your arya samaj really have the balls, ask them to go in public and challenge Zakir about his comments on Vedas otherwise i think you should all keep your mouth shut
i did nt listen to this debate but even his points were less stronger than your arya samaj it does not mean Islam lost to arya samaj. i think in this case if that rashmi zaveri lost debate about vegetables then it means Vedas lost to Quran too. bro if you have little bit of sense think from your own mind. if God wants us to just eat vegetables ? he should have made vegetables avialable at every part of the world so one cant excuse. Country like yours canada can u expect to grow some kind of fields in canada like uk usa and especially the cold western countries where one even cant think of growing fields and bowing seeds. Arab countries, deserts. i think in this case God just want people to die out of hunger of he wants the world to live in inida or pak where vegetables are available with great range.
dont tell me what action reaction is . its the matter of science and as you acclaimed majority of scientist think that plant does not feel pain. did u even have a look on the researches? just type "do plants feel pain" in any search engine and i guarantee you more than 90 percent of the scientist do believe what i am saying
@Waqas
first off rashmi bhai was a jain not a hindu, so him defending vedas is out of question. Brother, u have gone crazy, i told u before tooo, plants and animals are INCOMPARABLE, there is only one similarity between them is that they have chemical reactions taking place. Ok, now I will give u two facts, and I gurantee they will hit u hard. If u can refute me on these facts, I will start eating non veg today.
FACT 1) Plants keep regrowing, after their portions are cut, whereas animals or humans cant, so this proves plants cannot be catergorized in the same class species as animals.
FACT 2)Plants dont have red blood and bones as humans/animals, plants only have juice.
so try refuting these 2 points.
Plants are living, but they are not concious beings like animals and humans. Plants, bacteria, virus, etc are called living because they contain cells that helps them grow. SImilarly, if we chop a bacteria in a piece, it regenerates. For example bacteria like paramecia, will grow again if cut. BUT can humans grow again if i chop their hands off, can animals head grow back again if i chop it off.
As far as Vedas are concerned, ur quran is nothing compared to Vedas. NOr that day has ever come, nor it ever will, where Vedas lose to Quran. Quran is a fake piece of work that sanctions sex and hookers, thats all it is.
@Vik
what a stupid fact and logic you can one neutral person can only laugh on this
Every creatures has its own value. some animals have 4 legs and some have more and human beings only have 2 so why r u keepin them in one class? an animal can pick the weight of tons since human cant. birds can fly human and animal cant. so that plant has the ability of growing again. what about a Potato? can it grow again by itself? no it cant. once u plucked a potato u have to throw seed again otherwise it will not grow by itself. every living creature has its own qualities. chalo at least you commit the plants are living creatures. thats my victory. now keep barking
@Waqas
Waqas, only time will tell whose logic is stupid. Brother, I am comparing them internally, like blood and bones, not descriptively. Even by descriptions some humans have big eyes some small. Some are tall, some are average. Brother, dont look in description, look internally, u will only find blood and bones in animals and humans, NOT PLANTS. Again, since potatoes dont have a nervous system like animals, I cant agree potatoes feeling pain, however they can have chemical reactions. Ok brother, u enjoy talking about potatoes, brother tell me, like animals and humans,
can 2 potatoes have sex with each other, and bring out baby potatoes?
If this were the case, all farmers would go bankrupt after giving a pair of potatoes or any vegetables to marketters.
Waqas, mere bhai, please use logic.
Birds, animals, humans, all have 5 things in common.
-nerveous system
-blood
-bones
-mobility
-concious soul
Now, do plants or potatoes posses any of these properties?
Plants including potatoes:
NO mobility
NO nervous system
NO blood
NO bones
No concious soul
Plants can only regenerate and live long (trees can live up to 2000 years, whereas, humans span is only 100 years and animals even less). So I dont understand brother, how can u compare plants and animals, is there even one common feature besides their so called living chemical reactions?
Waqas, I suggest we get back to our original debate of islamic principles, since u r giving illogical facts. I told u many times, all these things are debated amongst people. But I gave u the properties of plants and animals.
@Waqas,
First off dont teach me about Canada, its obvious I know more than u. Alberta and other arctic plains are rich in vegetation. Besides if people are in arctic frozen areas, its simply their ancestral fault. In the beginning of creation, people migrated to various areas including icy places where they lost access to plants. Now, waqas, history is full of truth and falsehood and its hard to clarify what is what, its obvious eskimos were not born in arctic lands. Its just like ur in a nice field, but all the sudden u jump into a pit with no hopes of escaping. Besides, waqas, y dont u eat humans tooo? according to ur zakir they can also be digested, they can provide far better nutrients than animals……….u guys are all crazy for comparing plants to animals…………bro there is no comparison. However, humans can be compared alot with animals internallly. BUT plants neveeeeeeeeeeer. Vedas forbid us to kill humans or animals, especially cows since they provide us with milk.
Dumbass zakir bhai MBBS (fake) said we only eat cows after it stops giving us milk, my question to zakir and all his fanatic followers is, suppose ur mom gives u milk, but one day she grows old, and cant help u anymore, so is it right for u to hack her into pieces and eat her?
@Vik
Lolz so if i m born in western country and i dont have enough vegetable to eat becoz it does not grow there and thats the sin of my ancestors sop why god punish me for having non veg. then that is god s mistake becoz he let me born in this place.
wat a logic . i have no choice just to do sin because of the fault of my ancestors ..Lols what a logic
@Waqas.
Waqas. there is a popular saying in India, "if one searches with full confidence, one can even find GOD". Besides Waqas, my question is about today when u have access to vegetables in pakistan, why do u still slaughter innocent animals in the shitty festival bakr EID?
@waqas
i won't get into the details of veg & non-veg debate, but Zakir Bhai says that Allah has created these(Peaceful) animals so that we can eat them !!
Brother,a man's mother & wife have the same biological features. So taking a cue from this idiotic logic, should one start having sex with his mother??????
@aman
bro u said u have mind to analyze but i think u r not using that at all. different things are made to use different things. If a person does not have his hands he might eat food woth his feet but it does not mean every one start eating food from feet. some animals have been made to be eaten. If god does not want us to have non veg why did not he make the whole land where one can easilygrow veg. people live in deserts, western countries where temperature is -30 above one cant even think of puttin seed there to grow veg. those lands can never grow veg even country like england where there is a summer but even then their land does not have quality to grow veg. if God wants us to eat only veg, he would ve made veg available all over the world so one cant excuse.
@VIK
where in this debate some one announce the winner to arya samaj. LOL
@Waqas
brother, looks like u havent watched the end of the debate, if arya samaj never won, why would they be reciting the Vedic prayers at the end. Ur scholar abdullah tariq had droplets of sweat coming out of him. U just cant admit he lost. Brother note one thing. We hindus can make fun of ur religion as much as we want because its an outsider religion. Now, u cant make fun of Vedic dharma because it is the religion of ur ancestors, u make fun of it, u are disrespecting ur ancestors of whom u are here today. So, Waqas, be carefule boy.
VIK
muslims are jult 13 percent of the whole nation of inDia and still Zakir manages to call hundreds and thousands of people for his speech. You are like 70 crores in India ? cant u even organise 10 thousand people to debate Zakir ????????? what a shame.
@Waqas
Watch carefully the videos again, you would point out 3 major things-
1) Abdullah Tariq accapted Vedas as first books of God given to the people.
2) He failed to show the meanings of "kafir" and "deen" from any dictionary whereas Pandit Mahendra did so.
3) Tariq was defeated on the verse of mary in which he first challenged to show any translation of the verse which says about breathing of soul into mary's private parts. When it was shown, Tariq was not able to even recite the translation properly, as you would have seen, Tariq saying "hhe hshe…. garded her….". When it was so clear about winner, a person with a brain does not need any announcement and that is why it was not done.
Zakir knows about this debate and he also knows that he will be crushed in the similar way by Arya Samaj as his guru and speaker Tariq has been. He knows Arya Samaj have bigger scholars of islam than his own gang of mullahs who know only sura no.., chapter no….. and verse no…
Arya
muslims are jult 13 percent of the whole nation of inDia and still Zakir manages to call hundreds and thousands of people for his speech. You are like 70 crores in India ? cant u even organise 10 thousand people to debate Zakir ????????? what a shame.
@Waqas
Zakir's scholar of peace tv lost to Arya Samaj scholar. Zakir knows it. We dont need to have 10 thousand people to debate him. Any one of our scholar can easily crush him and he knows it, that is why he is not coming to debate us. At least now he should take up the challenge of debate with Arya Samaj as his scholar has lost.
you were the one who was abusing Agniveerji by saying he is a liar as he does not have those videos. Now videos are available, what would you say about that?
@Arya
you call them videos??? i think then Ravi shankar lost to Zakir means Vedas lost to Quran too. U said he just needs 10,000 people to gather and he would accept your challenge. you cant even arrange 10,000 hindus for the debat. if he run away from your debatem, ask for an official apology about his comments on Vedas. You dont even have dare to do that. ??
@Waqas
Waqas, Ravi Shankar is not a Vedic follower nor he is an Arya Samaji, Ravi Shankar is a yoga expert, they are 2 different things. Thats like saying the same difference between a christian and a muslim, suppose a christian loses a debate, does it mean islam lost too? Ravi Shankar's defence was love and respect, maximum he was a Geeta devotee. NOw, only Arya Samajis are Vedas defenders. The whole world knows that Ravi Shankar knows nothing of Vedas, if he did, he would be an Arya Samaji today.
Waqas, u just cant accept the reality so that is why ur barking now, JUST FACE IT BRO………….ISLAM LOST TO ARYA SAMAJIS, meaning QURAN LOST TO VEDAS………………..
@Waqas
you were the one who was praising Zakir bhai from the very first day and challenging Agniveerji to put the videos of Zakir's scholar. why did not you say all this before? Now you have lost to Agniveerji too.
Where did I say Quran lost to Vedas? I just wrote-"Zakir's scholar of peace tv lost to Arya Samaj scholar". Now you have nothing to say and you are putting your words in my mouth!
its not a law made by Allah, it used to happen that time only. you only want to criticize islam you dont see those evidence where muslims freed lot off slaves. Maria was brought a slave but Muhammad(SAW) married her and she also became the mother of his son too. you dont read the life style of Muhammad(SAW), he rules the whole arab but always spent his life in Porty, he did not even have proper bed to sleep and at the same time he was the ruler of arab.
at that time, sex with slave was permitted with the consensus of slave. but you will never understand
@Waqas
wow, very well said, if sex slavery is not made by Allah, then why do i see 4 verses in the quran, i was told every single verse of the quran is from Allah right?
Brother, if everything u said about ur prophet is true, then trust me, i respect him as a humanbeing. But from the evidence of hadiths and other islamic scholars, I havent been hearing good things about him lately.
Well Waqas, today cheating ur spouses is common. Waqas, suppose ur wife (I have respect for her) wants to go out with me on a movie, now will u say its ok as long as she agrees? Waqas, please brother grow up and reject this trash
@waqas
Can you provide any hadith saying maria was muhammad's wife?
@Waqas
1) Brother, I appreciate the good things of all the books. I dont say everything of Q+H wrong. But tradition of keeping slave is itself immoral and it was essential for a prophet to rule that out.
2) Is Izar same as pads? In fact Izar is a cotton garment traditionally worn by muslims. Moreover if I take your meaning, and you gave a mother daughter example, then is it the thing which has to be the part of a book which is going to be read by crores of people of all ages. I ask something private to my wife is ok but what if I shout it in open and write it in my book which would be read by all?
3) I read authentic tafseer's of Quran such as Jalalain, Husaini and in english, I read Yusuf Ali. I read translation of Vedas by Swami Dayanand and I would request you that until we put the english translation of vedas, you read Satyarth Prakash written by him.
@Waqas
there are many more things which are natural but are of no use to others. for example every human is a result of sexual intercourse of his parents but it does not mean that he will tell, write all this to his followers, friends…that i am result of….
come on brother, give me the convincing logic.
instead of suggesting me to consult ahle hadith, you should go to him first because you even dont know how your books are referred, you claim that marriage of maria and muhammad is at many places, and muhammad's heart was not washed by zamzam.
@Waqas
You did not give even a single Hadith saying Maria as muhammad's wife.
@ waqas
Brother, you said, "at that time, sex with slave was permitted with the consensus of slave. but you will never understand"
In that case you agree that whatever Muhammad preached has become Irrelevant today. And what do you mean by the word "permitted" ?
Who permitted?? Allah?? If Allah didn't permit then why did Muhammad do that? Being a Messanger, wasn't he supposed to act as per the Dictat of Allah instead of going thru the prevalent Inhuman Customs? Afterall he had such an easy access to allah!!!
@Waqas
What about Rehana (a jewish girl whose husband was murdered by the mujahideens of muhammad), who refused to marry muhammad and then was taken away by muhammad as his sex slave?
Where is this incident in hadith??
@Waqas
do you really not know about this incident? by the way you always ask me for the reference and I always give, what if I give this time also, you will say-things are quoted out of context…
you give the hadith which says about maria marrying to muhammad
@ WAQAS
Brother first and foremost, am not here to criticize any religion!!! Al I wanna do is, follow the path of truth.. Take my word, I would happily accept Islam if it convinces me that it is indeed the part of truth!!! But all I find there is, denigerating women by keeping them as slaves & indulging in polygamy!!!! In Q+H, I've seen Allah addressing us as slaves!
Just imagine, will your parents ever call you slaves? Certainly not !! Then how would God do that ! For me God is certainly not a Tyrrant , nor He is the head of a marketing team that would urge His followers to market his faith and indulge in Proselytism!! And the worst part is Allah orders the killing of those who leave the Islamic faith!! Brother, discard the quran& vedas for a minute and then think neutrally, will your parents order your killing if you have a difference of opinion with them & you decide to leave their house?????
certainly there is no moral justification for all these..
And I am really not the kind of person who would blindly believe semi-literate mullahs or even pandits for that matter!!! God has given me brain to analyze & realize!!!
@Waqas
Any hadith of marriage of muhammad and maria?
@Waqas
Waqas, my dear brother, I told u, everything in this world has a reaction when subjected to a force whether the thing is living or non living. Suppose, I hammer a lumber of wood, u see sawdust flying around it, its reaction baby. If i hammer a glass and it shatters. The reaction of the glass is that it shatters. So similarly if I pluck a potato, obviously it will have a reaction brother. Saying that Allah has given the quality to fruits and vegetables is not a convincing answer. I can tell u more differences between animals and plants. For example, plants dont have red blood and bones like humans and animals. For example, humans and animals portions dont grow back when cut like plants. Brother, tell me, tamotoes, potatoes, onions all come from the ground. NOw brother tell me, when i pluck a tomato, why is it still alive? According to ur logic it should be dead right?
@Everybody please watch that how hindu swamis are doing at backs. how they are having sex with actresses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL-aJgabUqQ
@Waqas
wow, waqas, since u have nothing to say about ur islam getting caught by Neil Armstrong, now u bring up some porn scandals. Waqas, If I want , I can post infinite links of Pakistani or Arab Porn and show u ur so called muslim women behind the curtains, BUT I wont do that, because I have respect for this site. I showed u a regular propaganda. Waqas, by showing everyone this link, u have also revealed ur true character which tells us u enjoy watching these things………
@waqas
Since you followed this news about a hindu swami having sex with an actress, you must have also followed how he has gone into oblivion after a tirade of cases filed against him for hurting people's sentiments.
But one thing that i completely fail to understand is that why Muslims are having problem with this??? Don't you know about the deeds of your Rangeela Rasool??? At least hindus are sensible enough to renounce these things!!! Had Muhammad been on this Swami's place, he would have justified it by saying that it was Allah who ordered him to do that…this is precisely what he did when he was caught with his pant's down with either his wife's maid or his daughter-in-law. …and you idiot muslims even belive him and consider him as a prophet…LOL
@VIK
did any where in quran or hadeeth is written that mecca is in center of the earth. what was the point of publishing that link when we agrees to speak about only Vedas + Quran.
what would you put porn videos of muslim since you know by yourself that hindu women are much superior in this kinda activity. show me a single porn web site which is run by a pakistani or muslim and i can show you hundredes of pron web site where your all hindu girls scandals are uploaded on the daily basis. in india there is a proper business of legitmate porn movies. show me a single muslim country where its legitimate. ??? you are in canada just compare your hindu girls and muslim girls over there ? you yourself would analyze what kinda clothes most hindu girls wear and what kinda clothes muslim girls wear . ok forget about canada . look at your city mumbai or bombay watever 50 percent of girls lose their virginity when they pass out from school only . What a shame. is that you have been teaching to your sisters and daughters over there? 35 percent of indian women have two affairs at the same time . do you have any answers for these questions or will you still bark with out any facts and stats
@Waqas
First off, I was on topic with this video when ur fanatic muslim scholars told me that Quran should be followed since it was revealed in the center of the earth. I was so shocked and I started laughing out hard. Then they posted this video claiming that Neil Armstrong proved Mecca to be center. The muslim scientists claimed that Neil went to space, and he started asking himself "who hung the dark earth, there? I know, it must be Allah, Allah has hung the dark sphere there" First off, couldnt ur muslim scientists think of a better way of lying, why would Neil Armstrong address GOD as Allah, since hes not even muslim? Then ur scholars claim that Neil heard the muslim prayer on the moon known as adhaan, again I never laughed so hard. When Neill was asked all this propaganda, Neil refused.
But u went off topic bring in porn links. Waqas, I told u before, I have respect for this site, I dont want to upset u by showing the true nature of pakistani women and arab women on porn sites. I live in Canada, brother I see all ur paki women hanging out with sikh,hindu, and christian men. And they all dress up normally, not wearing any hijab.
All these indian women have been inspired by whites and western culture otherwise in the old days, any hindu woman wasnt even allowed to step out of her home, but today the western world has inspired them. Same goes for pakistan tooo. Brother, I told u before tooo, I dont want to get into a worthless debate like this.
Besides, I told u, lets stay with the islam-hinduism debate.
Brother, please tell me, what do u have to say about sex slaves?
@Waqas
Is this "swami" the best example you can give?? First you have to prove he is worth to be called swami by the Vedic Standard and don't just give example of any tom and dick who are self claimed swamiji ;)p
Speak base on Quran and Vedas only to justify your believe.
@SIVA
thats what i have been doing too. i know this swami has nothing to do with your vedas or hindu religion . did i say anthing about vedas when i posted that link. VIK came out and he had nothin left to say about beg non veg debate that we were having and when he is losing this debate he posted a link first which has nothin to do with Quran+hadeeth. but did u ask him to apk only about vedas + Quran why because he is from your religion and he cant be asked. that was just a reply to VIK
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@VIK
the qualities that you are mentioning in animals and human beings can not differentiate one living thing with another. there are plants who eat insects and you knwo about them too. insects have blood and when they eat that it gets digested according to their nervous system. only blood and bones can not make a difference between a living creature . there are lot of insects which do not have bones at all. ant, bee etc. do you know how a fly is born, ???when you have nothin else to say you started barking about debate and Eid. did i ever abuse your vedas or any of your religious festival? i did abuse your PIGS arya samaj and you do with zakir . why crossing your limits?? any how as far as that Hijra ravi shankar is concern he has been given a title of biggest spirtual leader of India why not any of your pig arya samaj?the debate he came for was about Quran n vedas it was not about quran + geeta. if he was not the right person to speak about Vedas ? why dont you condemn him ? you condemn zakir becoz according to you he is giving wrong comments about Vedas why dont you condemn that Hijra then? dont you have balls to speak against your own person??? in that debate it clearly states that Zakir won that debate and vedas lost to Quran but if he was not the right guy to speak about Vedas then i would say the guy who debated with your PIG arya samaj was not the right guy to speak about Quran and vedas. 70 crore hindus cant even arrange 10 thousand people to debate with Zakir? are not you ashamed of your nation???
@Waqas
Brother, I dont eat ants nor I eat carnivorous plants. I agree ants are living, but do u see anyone eating them. My comparison is for plants like apples and animals like chickens and cows u eat. Cows and sheeps are just like humans they posses red blood and bones. But show me an anatomy of a single plant that has a neverous system, its funny u say that……….if they have no blood,,,,,how can they have a nevvouse system?
As far as Ravi Shankar goes, the debate was not about Vedas vs Quran, otherwise we would definitely pick an arya samaji to debate on behalf of Vedas.
The debate was about concept of GOD in Hinduism and Islam. Now Waqas, HInduism does not equal Vedas. Hinduism as a religion is a product of Veds + Upanishads + Puranas + Ramayan + MahaBharat + Geeta. Basically Hinduism is not a one book based today. Yes, the most supreme scriptures are the Vedas, but many people are unaware of its teachings, that is why u see fake things like caste system. A common hindu today only limites himself to Puranas and Geeta, the problem with Vedas are they are too difficult to understand, so that is why they only use some verses in festivals for Vedas. So when u think of Hinduism, it also involves other books too besides Vedas, but Ravi Shankar was more of a Geeta fan.
And for ur kind info, it was ur zakir that begged Shanker for a debate, not the other way around. And it wasnt even a debate to start off with, Shankar thought they would talk about the commonalities of both religions and their experiences. But ur asswipe zakir bhai mbbs, turned it into a debate.
But the whole world knows only Arya Samaj are Vedic hindus that dont read any books except Vedas, so next time if u need a Vedic representative, go to an Arya Samaji.
Besides, do u ever hear the word Vedas associated with Ravi Shankar? He is a spiritual yoga person known for art of living, so asking him to defend the Vedas is like asking a muslim to speak behalf of the quran……………ILLOGICAL brother?
But ur Abdullah Tariq was an ISLAMIC scholar, so wot do u have to say about that?
@waqas
You have been told innumerable times that it was never a debate in the very first place! it was only a dialogue so as to promote peace b/w hindus & muslims. Sri Sri Ravishankar only tried to make muslims more tolerant of others' faith,by showing them the similarities but you people simply don't understand the language of peace. And as far as that book is concerned Sri Sri Ravishankar withdrew it coz' he realized that it was no point teaching those semi-literates who instead of applying their brain, follow a blind cult which treats women as mere sex-objects.
And come on waqas, even an illeterate person knows the deeds of your Rangeela Rasool !!!!! Sri Sri Ravishankar could have easily said that but he is not the kind of person who would elevate the status of non-entities like like zakir nayak, by debating with a fool whose knowledge is limited to sura no….page no…blah blah blah..
But then we realized that if we don't contain this Fool, he would mislead more & more people with his nonsense, as is evident from your & Maria's case !!!! So all this debate & all stuff…
Problem with you muslims is that when you people throw mud on others' faith you enjoy and when we become aggressive you people start crying!!!
Waqas, do you know why Deoband Seminary issued fatwa on Zakir Nayak?? They were afraid that if hindus start finding anomalies in your quran, you people would simply have no answers!!! as there is no justification to sex-slavery & polygamy !!!
by the way, am still waiting for your reply regarding god as a marketing head & wheather you parents would hire for your killing if you decide to leave their household, as per the tenets of islam!!
@ waqas
Moreover the so-called debate was just a trap laid for Sri Sri Ravishankar .Muslims are afraid of the popularity of Art of Living. His organization is expanding like anything !! Art of living is spread in 154 countries including your Napak-istan. Every other day we see heads of muslim countries inviting Sri Sri Ravishankar!! just google what art of living has done in countries like iraq & palistine…
Fanatic muslims like zakir nayak became threatened by his popularity among st Muslims and so did a Taqiah with Him.. tried Zakir Nayak tried his level best to provoke him, but He is too centred to be provoked by these scholars of sura no. ..page no…
@WAQAS
Besides, do u ever hear the word Vedas associated with Ravi Shankar? He is a spiritual yoga person known for art of living, so asking him to defend the Vedas is like asking a christian to speak behalf of the quran……………ILLOGICAL brother?
But ur Abdullah Tariq was an ISLAMIC scholar and he was speaking on behalf of the QURAN, so wot do u have to say about that?
Brother, zakir bhai mbbs, has never come across Vedic expert or an arya samaji otherwise do u think zakir will have the guts to speak about Vedas infront of him.
As far as Ravi Shankar goes, we dont need anyone like him to defend us, Ishwar has given us power to defend the Vedas ourselves, and that is what I am doing. Now, I am not famous like ur zakir bhai mbbs who can gather 10 000 people, otherwise I would do that and be the first to debate him.
Besides, whats the guarantee that if we gather 10 000 people, he will debate us? Knowing infact how cunning he is, he might find a way to escape, since he knows what happened to Abdullah Tariq who is his scholar for PEACE TV.
Besides, the whole world knows Ravi Shankar is not a debater, the biggest proof of that was in the video itself, when he was asked to speak for 1 hour, but he only spoke for 30 mins. So my question, to u is Waqas, why did zakir choose to debate someone who can hardly talk?
Besides, have u ever seen zakir naik giving explanations on verses from Vedas? He simply speaks out like a parrot book number bla bla verse number bla bla……………………
@Aman
yes, I agree we really cant repair these fools, in arguments, but the sad part is many of our hindus acknowledge their stupidity. I agree Ravi Shankar is a good person, I mean people like zakir are nothing compared to him. Ravi Shankar cured people by yoga, what did zakir doo? except barking like a parrot and misleading people. The funny thing is even muslims hate him, now what can u expect from a leader whose followers declared him a kafir?
The funny thing is, zakir naik refuses to agree that talibans that rape and kill pakistanis everyday are terrorists just because he has not seen any proof.
Aman, I ask u, if talibanis come on the tv and threaten the world to kill innocent people and openly rape women, how is that NOT proof?
What does proof mean to zakir bhai MBBS? Does he expect Talibanis to come over to his house to dinnner and make them say in his ear, "hey zakir, were are terrorists, is that good enuff for a proof", then zakir says "no brother, I want proof" talibanis say "ok," they shoot his wife. Then they say again "is that proof good enuff?", zakir says "no brother, I want proof"
then Talibanis cut zakirs fingers off and zakir yells out "brother, I beleive u, stop, its a sin to kill a muslim brother, quran says in surah 9 verse 47 , find kafirs and kill them, not meeeeeeeee"
see thats the mentality of zakir naik
MARIA WAQAS………………..please wake up
@vik
Infact, Agniveerji has left no scope for discussions, by attaching everything with proof, in all his posts vis-a-vis Parrot Nayak, but as the saying goes ," Monkeys Don't Need Ladder To Climb".
@Aman
See, we give proofs of every arguments, we dont bullshit things like these people, lying is authenticated in their religion. Taqiah means lying for the benefit of islam, and thats what these people do. I mean why would someone kill someone just for leaving islam, I mean a person should only be killed if he takes the life of another human or animal, but if someone leaves islam, they get a capital punishment. Another stupid islamic law is that if two men are gay, they get executed………….Thank GOD we dont have this stupid sharia law in india……….. But I am shocked girls like Maria are happy with sex slavery, I mean, one should ask her, how would she feel if she were a slave?
Hinduism is not a uniform religion as the other religions, viz. Islam, Christianity, etc., are. Hinduism is an amalgamation of ideas and thoughts accumulated over thousands of years. We believe that the universal element cannot be limited to just one book, in fact in some stotras it is clearly mentioned that the limitless can never be limited. Every rishi (seer) gave his understanding of the unlimited entity and like in the ocean there are innumerable waves emanating from the same ocean but no single wave is an identical copy of the other, likewise every enlightened person's understanding of the divine is different. So, to an outsider it seems very perplexing and even to some hindus as well. Ekam sat viprah bahudaa vadanti, Truth is one, the intelligent describe it in different ways. Ur allah is a limited entity and therefore for u the truth is limited to just 1 book and 1 prophet, our kalma as rightly stated by Swami Agnivesh is la ilaha illallah zarra zarra (every animate, inaminate object) rasulullah.
@Waqas
brother, do you know the history related to Quran 66:3-5, hadith-Bukhari, vol3,book-43:648? Just go to any aalim and ask him about it, you would know who was Maria. She was mother of muhammad's son is true but it does not prove maria as his wife.
Brother I dont know about Arabs but in our culture (both India and Pakistan), mothers take care of the issues like menstruation, and as time progresses, one knows more and more about these. But brother think of some hadith regarding taking bathe from the single pot and that too witnessed by others, bath of janaba, doing sex with slave girl in the absence of wife(you would know more when you consult an aalim about above references), and many more such things. What good these hadith teach even to an adult?
Videos-why did not you see the videos? you were desperately asking for those! See those videos again and see yourself almost half the people were muslims. By the way have you seen any debate of Zakir in a "neutral environment"? You have again come to 70 crores of hindus. Do you follow crowd or ideology? Brother, Vedas talk of only one God some of whose properties are-
"God is existent, intelligent and blissful. He is formless, omniscient, just, merciful, unborn, endless, unchangeable, beginning-less, unequalled, the support of all, the master of all, omnipresent, immanent, un-aging, immortal, fearless, eternal and holy, and the maker of all. He alone is worthy of being worshiped."
This is the second principle of Arya Samaj based on Vedas. You compare Quranic Allah with the above Eeshvar and know yourself who is the real God. I again invite you to your original Dharm of Vedas which your ancestors were proud of.