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Why Non Muslims Are Not Allowed In Mecca – Zakir Naik

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By Agniveer Research
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

This entry is part 15 of 19 in the series Zakir Naik Exposed

Zakir Naik Exposed

The problem with literally following intolerant religious texts as the word of God is that it corrupts one’s mind absolutely. You not only become intolerant from deep within but also start believing that you are morally right in doing so. Unfortunately, Zakir Naik’s brand of Islam is a perfect example of such mindset. Unfortunately, many Muslims treat him as a role model and champion of True Islam. This is a very sad truth as it’s a sign of growing intolerance in the Muslim psyche.

There is a limit to the intolerance a society can digest. Zakir Naik must understand it best, as he has been banned in the US and the UK because of his videos showing his open support of Osama, killing of apostates and calling the US a terrorist state. Now ISIS fighters and Dhaka attackers etc. have openly accepted to have been inspired by him. To protect his brand of Islam, he went on to glorify Yazid (killer of Prophet Muhammad’s grandson Hussain) and was thus declared kafir by many Muslim sects. He has just managed a temporary stay on a non-bailable warrant issued against him for not appearing in a session court hearing on charges of waging war against India.

These reactions are bound to happen as the literal brand of Islamism that he preaches, is extremely intolerant, and this is clear from his videos where he says Non-Muslims must not be allowed to exercise their freedom of religion in Islamic states but demands that Non-Muslims should give all privileges to Muslims in their states! For how long could humanity tolerate such intolerance?

In this chapter, we examine Zakir’s views where he responds to “why don’t you allow non-Muslims to enter Mecca and Medina?” and will respond to his intolerant arguments.
While we edit this chapter, a blast happened in Medina near Prophet’s grave!

Mecca and Medina are the cantonment areas of Muslims

Every country has a cantonment area where only those people who are involved in the defense of the country are allowed. Similarly, Mecca and Medina are the cantonment areas of Muslims. So only those people (i.e. Muslims) who are involved in fighting and protecting and defending Islam are allowed to enter Mecca and Medina.

Analysis :
Great! Zakir is elsewhere seen preaching us that Islam is the religion of Peace. But what do we have here? He is comparing Islam with a military establishment! The Mecca and Medina are cantonment areas! And all this while silly non-Muslims thought that these were sacred sites of pilgrimage of the religion of PEACE!

Moreover, we suspect that Zakir also knows about Abu Tahir’s desecration of Kaaba. That’s why he has no faith in Surah Al-Feel of Quran that claims that Allah can protect His house on His own. And thus Zakir believes that Muslims must fight, defend and protect what God Allah himself could not.

Quran prohibits the entry of Kafirs in Mecca and Medina

Allah gives the promise in glorious Quran from 9:28 that from this day do not allow the non-believers to enter Mecca and Medina.

Analysis :
Now Zakir plays Taqiyya (the religion sanctioned art and license of lying or hiding the truth in Islamism) by half-quoting and ill-quoting verse 9:28 of the Quran.

Let’s have a look at the complete verse 9:28 of the Quran:

“O you who believe (in Allâh’s Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh, and in the Message of Muhammad SAW) are Najasun (impure). So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allâh will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Wise. ”

He ill-quotes because this verse only talks about keeping the non-Muslims away from Masjid Al-Haraam (at Mecca) and not the entire cities of Mecca and Medina. So the Muslims are prohibiting what even their God did not command them to prohibit!

He half-quotes because he does not want to tell the non-Muslims the real reason behind not allowing the Non-Muslims to enter the Masjid Al-Haraam in Makkah. And the reason given in the verse is that Non-Muslims are unclean/impure (Najis)!!!

Zakir and his fans must hang their heads in shame. Is their Islam a religion or a cult that instigates irrational unwarranted religious apartheid? (do we even need to answer that explicitly now?)

Do you know what all is najis (impure) in Islam?

• Urine, Feces, Semen, Dead body, Blood, Dog, Pig, Alcoholic liquors, the sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat. And
• Kafir [Polytheists, Atheists, any Christian or Jew that does not believe in Muhammad (in other words all Non-Muslims)]

Aren’t you delighted O non-Muslims! You can’t enter Mecca because “you are as impure as a pig, feces or dead body” as per Zakir’s Islam?

This is straight out of Zakir’s version of Quran. A book that openly calls non-Muslims “filthy.” If a Muslim touches a najis thing, he becomes najis (impure)! We are at a loss how could any secular state tolerate such nonsense. And above all how can the so-called rational, moderate Muslims treat such a hate-filled doctrine as a religion of choice. We simply don’t understand!!!

And please don’t be in any doubt about what Zakir’s God thinks of Non-Muslims. Here’s another set of verses that makes it amply clear that Non-Muslims are the vilest of creatures in the eyes of his God!

Quran 98:6:
Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur’ân and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

Quran 8:55:
Verily, The worst of moving (living) creatures before Allâh are those who disbelieve, – so they shall not believe.

Zakir half-quoted the verse to hide this ugly truth of his brand of Islam from the audience. He thinks Non-Muslims live on some shutter island and would not come to know of this truth. Gone are those days! And moderate Muslims should seriously start thinking about how they could tolerate this nonsensical religious apartheid and still wear the “moderate” and “tolerant” tags.

To enter in Mecca and Medina, you need a Visa

For entering any country, you need a visa. If you refuse to produce it or to abide by the laws of that country, you will not be allowed to enter. Don’t agree don’t come! YOU CAN’T ARGUE! Similarly to enter in Mecca and Medina you need a Visa, which is to say with your lips- Lailah illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah. (That there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His final messenger.)

Analysis :
When one can’t even argue as per Islam on the entry of Non-Muslims in Mecca and Madina, how wise of Zakir is to give arguments in its defense?

Thanks again Zakir Bhai MBBS to accept that Islamic traditions and beliefs can’t be argued. Dear readers, hope you are discovering the tolerance and logic in Islam which is assured to Non-Muslims by Islamists! However, in the same breath, we also oppose all those beliefs that claim exclusivity of entering Hindus or Christians in any Temple or Church. In our Vedic opinion, any peaceful and tolerant truth seeker must be allowed to explore Dharma inside temples and holy shrines freely. Only declaration one must give before entering should be – “I don’t believe in any God or prophet that call others as Kafirs/inferior.” Can Zakir Naik or any Mullah in the world shun their discriminatory command of Quran the same way?

I wonder what will happen if Hindus of India, Christians and Atheists of the West start making the same Visa policy! Imagine Hindus having a law in India- “whoever wants to live or enter in India, he/she must recite Gayatri Mantra or Jai Shree Ram. Whoever fails to do so, will be sent back to his/her respective place. So any Muslim who refuses to recite Jai Shree Ram will not be allowed to live in India anymore! After all, you have to abide by the laws of the country, and you CAN’T ARGUE those!” Sounds intolerant, right? But this is exactly what Muslims have been doing to non-Muslims while calling it visa policy shamelessly!

As such, we have no objection against this argument when looked from the standpoint of Saudi as a nation state. It has the right to allow or disallow entry to outsiders in restricted zones. The objection here is against the reason behind banning Non-Muslims at these sites, as the reason is inhuman and reeks of nonsensical religious apartheid. Anyways, the Saudis, in a way, are helping humanity by not hiding the truth of Islamism as the likes of Zakir do. Humanity should seriously take note of how Zakir’s Islam treats the other and what are the implications of allowing his Islam in a tolerant multi-religious society.

By the way, on this visa argument, we have an embarrassing question for Zakir Naik at the end of the chapter.

Summary

Zakir’s arguments show that his brand of Islam is more of a military religion than a religion of peace. Religion where the Muslims have to fight, protect and defend God’s house as God is incapable of doing the same on His own. God, as per the Quran verse quoted by Zakir, is an intolerant God who thinks non-Muslims are as impure as pig and feces and hence must not be allowed in his house! And finally, we agree with Zakir on just one point that the Saudis have the right to ban Non-Muslims in Saudi cities as it’s their Islamic country after all, and they are free to show the true face of Islamism to the rest of the world. But in the same breath, we ask our Muslim friends to think about the consequences of Hindus demanding same right to ban Muslims in India! Will Muslims agree with this peacefully or they only want peace to be practiced by Non-Muslims?

The way out

When you interpret the commands and injunctions literally, there are bound to be embarrassments of all sorts. To avoid embarrassment, religions MUST do away with any bigotry and inhuman practices that are currently being followed or condoned by them.
Thankfully majority of Muslims who recite the intolerant verses of Zakir’s Quran in their daily prayers and tilawat in Arabic, don’t know the actual meaning of these verses. The real moderate and rational Muslims still have the opportunity to sensitize the community that literal following of the dominant versions of Quran and Hadith will make Islamism extremely intolerant and ill-fit in the 21st century. The way forward and way out is reform. Zakir’s Islam needs to humanize itself and stop dehumanizing Non-Muslims.

On argument 3, a question for Zakir Naik: Why Kafirs were requested to enter Mecca without the “Islamic Visa” by Zakir Naik’s Saudi Masters?

We would remind our readers, especially Zakir Naik and his Wahabi friends, about the other humiliating incident that took place on November 20th, 1979. Yes, we are talking about the Grand Mosque Seize when a Muslim claiming himself to be Mahdi (the redeemer prophesied in Islamic books to come before doomsday)- Abdullah Hamid Mohammed Al-Qahtani attacked the Kaaba with his few hundred armed Mujahideen. He took thousands of the pilgrims, preparing to offer prayers at the Kaaba, hostage. His goons killed a few hundred including Saudi soldiers.

Finally, a team of French Commandos was requested by Saudi Government to help rescue the hostages and clear the mosque from the Mahdi and his Mujahids! To cut the long story short, the Kafir French Commandos accomplished the mission, executed the Mahdi and his goons, and rescued the Kaaba and the Muslims. As soon as the benevolent mission was over and the Kaaba was secured, the Wahabis started downplaying the fact that Kafir French soldiers helped Muslim Saudis in that operation. After all, they had to defend the Wahhabi position that a Muslim equals ten Kafirs in strength! Some Islamists had tried to salvage the word of Allah of Muslim supremacy over Kafir in strength, by floating a story that those French Soldiers were made to recite the Kalma aka Islamic Visa as per Zakir Naik (Laillah illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah) before they entered the Kaaba for the operation!

So as per these storytellers, the French Commandos became Muslims and hence Kaaba was recaptured by Muslims only! It doesn’t matter to them if these Kafir French recited a few words that they did not understand at all and could hardly recite because of their accent! On top of it, they also fail to explain as to why Saudi Muslims who used to recite Laillah illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah five times a day, 365 days a year throughout their lives and of whom Allah is the friend, could not rescue their shrine on their own?

Can Zakir Naik answer?

We would like Zakir Naik to answer following queries

• Why were the Kafir French Soldiers allowed to enter Mecca without the Islamic Visa aka Laillah illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah?
• Why was Saudi Muslim army so incompetent to eliminate few hundred oppressors? Why did Allah let whole Muslim Ummah down by not helping them against the attackers? Why did not Allah act as per His assurance in Quran to help Muslims, especially for Saudis whom Allah loves the most?
• Why ten times weaker Kafirs were requested by Muslims to carry out the operation? Is Zakir’s version of Quran wrong in estimating the relative strengths of Kafirs and Momins?
• Will those brave French soldiers go to Jannah (heaven) for the holiest of the works one can ever do i.e. to save the HOUSE OF ALLAH- KAABA? Or they will go to hell just like other great people such as Pratap, Shivaji, Gobind Singh, Bismil, Azad, Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev, Rajguru etc for the only fault of being Non-Muslims?
• If Zakir Naik believes in the story that the French Commandos were made to read Kalma before the operation, then we have one more query: Even if it is assumed that these French Kafirs became Muslims during the operation, they ultimately practiced Christianity after the operation. So they become apostates as per Zakir Naik’s Islam. And everybody knows that Zakir supports death penalty for apostates. We are interested in knowing how he plans to punish these unholy apostates who protected the Holy Kaaba?
• Do they deserve death here and eternal hell hereafter?

This Chapter is co-authored by Indian Agnostic.

PS: Those preparing to rebut this article on the basis of Caste system in Hindus should consider the fact that Vedas are strictly against any discrimination of any kind. Here get your misconceptions eradicated http://Satyagni.com/888/caste-system/ . Whatever we wrote about Islam is purely based on Quran and Hadith and not on the deeds of Muslims at all. So Muslim friends  are requested to argue based on our Vedic view and not what Hindus do. They are also requested to denounce this disgusting discrimination in Islam just like we denounced caste system in Hindus.

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Read Post Disclaimer

It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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    • What nonsense u r talking. You r really a najis and u should not be allowed to talk to a muslim. It is the decision of Almighty Allah. All non believers are impure as long as u are nonmuslim u r guilty in the eyes of Allah.

  3. Excellent article. Now wait for some Muslims to downplay the involvement of French spl forces and claim that it was actually the Pakistani forces stationed in Taif that entered the Mosque and that the French were only guiding the forces from afar. But the truth is the French spl forces, did enter the theater of operation. There is a book on this whole terrorist take over of the grand mosque by Yaroslav Trofimov, a reporter from the Wall Street Journal.

    Our Muslim friends would of course bend backwards to defend Zombie Naik and come up with “contexts” as to why those verses were revealed to Muhammad about kafirs being anjis and unfit to visit the kaba. It is funny that this aanual pilgrimage is simply about running in circles around a meteorite that fell there aeons ago. But stooges of Zombie Naik will claim that Hindus worship idols and nature. They worship and run in circles aroun an “illegal alien.” 🙂

    • Namaste Brother Rushmore

      I remember this interesting incident of Grand Mosque Seize was discussed by you few days back somewhere on Satyagni or Satyagni. Many thanks to you too 🙂

  6. @ To all Muslim Brother

    If rapist, terrorist, criminal like Osama, Kasab, Babar, Abdali can enter in the kaba why not a noble person like Mahatama Gandhi, Dalai Lama, Socrates, Karl Marx, Nelson Mandela, Buddha, Newton not allowed by Allah to enter in kaba?

    • As u should know that islam is a religon of God and Muhhammed(saw) is the messengr of ALLAH. It is a condition for everyone to b a muslim who ever enters mecca and madina. Because it is a land which comprises many great sahabas( friends of prophet)

  7. Another good one!

    Some Momins may respond – “But, but, but, Kaaba is a direction, not idol. How can a direction be attacked?” Ans: Kaaba is an idol. It was a Pagan idol. You are worshipping idol 5 times a day. Allah is going to crush you in eternal hellfire. 🙁

  8. बहुत ही बढिया लिखा है अग्निवीर जी मुस्लिमों को अपने धर्म की गंदगियों को साफ़ करने की बहुत आवश्यकता है और दूसरों के पार्टी जो घ्रणा का भाव इनके मन मैं उसको अगर सीधे नहीं मानते तो पूरी दुनिया मैं इनका हुक्का पानी बंद करके निकाला जाना चाहिए

  9. अच्छा लिखा है. अग्निवीर जी मुस्लिमों को अपने धर्म की गंदगियों को साफ़ करने की बहुत आवश्यकता है और दूसरों के पार्टी जो घ्रणा का भाव इनके मन मैं उसको अगर सीधे नहीं मानते तो पूरी दुनिया मैं इनका हुक्का पानी बंद करके निकाला जाना चाहिए

  11. Good work, keep it up, when will the deaf , week and blind Indian converts to Islam aka slaves of arabs realize this hate filled stupid book (koran) is just full of one more thing ..nonsense. Converts are the worst especially the Indians..

    excellent article Satyagni..

    OM TAT SAT

  12. i was a muslim and now i have turned into a hindu. as being a female muslim i felt there was no equality in males and females. the forst religion was hinduism and islam grew out of hinduism. hinduism is the root for all religions. hindu people do not judge people no matter who they are but muslim people do, i went to a mandir when i was a muslim with some of my hindu friends and i felt so comfortable and every one was doing their own things and did not say anything nor look at me funnily just because i was a muslim.

    om namah shivai !!

    • Namaste sister amrita. Good that u have got out of Islam.But how about dumping all this shiva and idols and all that based on hindu puranas.

      The only problem I have with Vedas is that they preach God exists.This is without solid irrefutable evidence.Other than that Vedas are illuminating to the mind, preach no hatred, call upon all humanity to bond together, call upon humans to live without fear and in peace and compatible with gender justice.
      In short, no human rights issues with Vedas.If i ever get convinced that God exists I will embrace the Vedic religion and never “Hinduism”/”Islam”/”Christianity as these violate human rights..

      • @ Atheist Jabali: Vedas do not box people to believe in a named immanent God like other scriptures do. I am glad you do realize that Vedas illuminate the human mind.The Vedas are an open body of knowledge that let folks to probe, contemplate and arrive upon their inferences. At the core, Vedas support the theory of a primary cause (caussation) behind this Universe. At the same time, Vedas do not abhor someone like Sage Kapila, who espoused the Samkhya philosophy that does not recognize the CAUSE behind this Universe but derives the Purusha / Prakriti (Conciousness / Matter) combo of Vedanta. I’d go one step further and request you to look at whether a cause exists or not behind this Universe. Vedas tag multiple names to this CAUSE. You are free to callit VOID. But even then Vedas hold good. This Universe did not happen by accident.

      • Dear Appollo reach.
        Your point is taken taht in India dharma based on satya is given more precedence over theological/theistic viewpoints. Dharma cannot be compromised while theological viewpoints can be debated endlessly upon(but not bombing and killing rivals/rival sects as happens inIslam). This is the core of the Indian inclusiveness doctrine.
        But your statement “At the core, Vedas support the theory of a primary cause (caussation) behind this Universe.” runs contrary to the Nasadiya Sukta of Rig Veda in the 10th mandala . When i first read it, I wondered why I was taught Puranas etc but not exposed to these aspects of the Vedas. Vedas do admit the existence of God but NOT CREATIONIST GOD LIKE THE PURANAS/BIBLE/QURAN. VEdas do not indoctrinate u with a creationist God. The theory of a creator GOD runs into serious difficulties. If God created the world, then there existed a time when God existed but not the world. This poses serious problems as time and space are relative. If time existed, then world existed. That is why Nasadiya Sukta defines state of non-existence as non-existence of everything including time and space.
        The Vedas do not ask the question “Who craeted the World” . This is a self-answering question with a bias implying that someone must have created the world. The Nasadiya Sukta questions “How the world came into existence”? This is scientific and a spirit of inquiry unknown to Puranas/Bible/Quran. In fact, when I was travelling to Delhi in Rajdhani express, amn Alim (Islamic scholar) pointed to my mobile and said did it come into existence of its own without a maker? I said “If u have doubts, may I take to a MOBILE HANDSET FACTORY?”. HE was stunned into silence coz he understood that I was challenging him to show me a place where world is ‘manufactured or created’. sO I TOLD HIM U CANNOT COMPARE MOBILE WHOSE CREATOR CAN BE PROVED AND THE WORLD WHOSE CRAETOR CANNOT BE PROVED. He admitted that he had not considered this possibility.

      • @ Atheist Jabali: I look at God (named / unnamed / neuter) as the CAUSE of this Universe. I did not call out an GOD that CREATED in the sense of other scriptures.

        Nasadiya Sukta is a factual set of verses that explain the limitations of human intellect in understanding what was it like BEFORE the Begining. The second verse of Nasadiya Sukta explains or attempts to explain the key aspect that tells God breathed without breath. The second verse establishes the idea of God without this Universe. You are boxing God based on time and space. What makes you think that God cannot exist without this manifested Universe, time & space? Your opinion is based on our own conditioning.

        And then the 3rd verse of the Sukta takes this idea further. The ONE, by power of ARDOR, CAME TO BE. Again, as we have already agreed, this is NOT Creationistic. But God, here emerged from VOID.

        And the verse 4 explains the next step. It talks about LOVE arising as the primal germ. So we have non-being (God existing w/o this manifested Universe), God emrging TO BE thourgh ardor and then LOVE, as the primal germ emerging.

        And then verse 5 explains the split, the line that divides BEING and NON-BEING.

        And verses 6 & 7 show the limits of contemplation of the seer’s mind, where, the seer asks the vexed question as to WHO will know as to WHEN this state of BEING came TO BE. It even asks a very very doubtful question, whether GOD himself knows this. This may look strange for Abrahamic minds but this verse is a reflection of the challenge of the seer in communicating what NON BEING may have been and WHEN the BENG emerged from NON BEING.

        What the 7 verses of the Sukta talk about is the CAUSE manifesting this grand Universe from NOTHING or NON-BEING. Again I never said God created a thing. But God was the cause of this Universe being manifested.

      • @ Atheist Jabali: I missed this while posting the previous message. The concept of time and timelessness is explained in Vedas. The Vedas establish that an entity BOUND by time cannot understand/exprience an entity THAT is beyond time. So, your opinion that God without Universe, time,space presents diffculties is based on limitations of our limited understanding of the Universe.

        There are 5 verses in Rig Veda 1/170/1 – 5. These verses form a dialogue between Sage Agastya and Indra. Agastya, by the sheer force of his thoughts is breaking through the barriers of his mind, reaching the realm of God without first being developed as a fully functional being in all his levels of consciousness. The eagerness to experience God gets the better of sage Agastya and his senses and he refuses to progressively sacrifice his SELF to the stepping stone (which in this case refers to Indra) in his quest for God. At this point, sage Agastya gets pushed back by Indra who does not allow him to proceed to the realm of God.The arena for this episode is Agastya’s own mind.

        Indra says: THAT which is beyond time and space (God) cannot be known by that which is in time and space (Agastya and other mortals like us).

        Indra goes on to explain that it is the progressive transcendence (of ego-consciousness) through divine activities that will take a mortal towards the immortal truth. Agastya realizes his folly and goes on to progressively sacrifice his ego conciousness through the mandated activities (karma).

        1. Indra: It is not now, nor is It tomorrow; who knoweth that which is Supreme and Wonderful? It has motion and action in the consciousness of another, but when It is approached by the thought, It vanishes.

        2. Agastya: Why dost thou seek to smite us, O Indra? The Maruts are thy brothers. By them accomplish perfection; slay us not in our struggle.

        3. Indra: Why, O my brother Agastya, art thou my friend, yet settest thy thought beyond me? For well do I know how to us thou willest not to give thy mind.

        4. Indra: Let them make ready the altar, let them set Agni in blaze in front. It is there, the awakening of the consciousness to Immortality. Let us two extend for thee thy effective sacrifice.

        5. Agastya: O Lord of substance over all substances of being, thou art the master in force! O Lord of Love over the powers of love, thou art the strongest to hold in status! Do thou, O lndra, agree with the Maruts, then enjoy the offerings in the ordered method of the Truth.

        What these verses portray is an important law in physics on Space-Time. Today’s physcists have not even completely concurred on what the reference frame ought to be for viewing space-time (symmetric? Asymmetric?Stationary? Static). But Vedas seem to espouse the thought that unless an individual conciousness transcends time / space, the Supreme Lord can never be realized. So, from where Stephen Hawking’s today is, his statement of God or afterlife being absent is his personal assumption. It has no hard evidence when, man is still physically bound by space and time.

      • “God has designed the world in such a way that the sustenance of many species should depend on destroying the lives of other creatures. His cynicism and cruelty is so despicable that he endows these creatures that are to be food to others with feelings so when a calf is devoured by a predator her mother suffer and grieve. Of course the wretched prey has to suffer excruciating pain too. How disgusting! How a creator with such a low ethics can be worthy of praise?”

        – Ali Sina

      • Is there any suffering in the world at all?
        How many persons in the world die for their so called lovers?
        If you watch carefully, the cow which greives its calves death gets on , forgets the event and starts living its life.
        There is only one thing in the world that is existance which is not different from consciousness and bliss.

      • @In Dilemma:

        What you state is a modified version of the Problem of Evil. AFAIK Abrahamic religions do NOT have a satisfactory answer to this. I am unsure whether Hinduism has a good answer to this or not, but I can try providing one.

        Firstly, we have to agree upon what constitutes the “I”. Hinduism believes that a soul exists and that soul is beyond the chemical reactions in the brain and other physical components of the body like arms, legs, etc. Hinduism also believes that this “I” is eternal. The body is just the trustee of the soul for the duration of someone’s life. The “I” of a person/animal does not cease to exist after death.

        Every incident on earth (Evil or Good) has an impact on the attitude, thought (Jnana), devotion (Bhakti) and action of individual species whether homo sapiens or animals. This leaves impressions on the soul. The impressions carried by the soul determines its next life in the reincarnation cycle. So, while we may feel a great evil has befallen an individual, it *may* be because of past actions or in preparation of a future life. This does not mean one should simply take things passively that one’s lot in life is because of past actions. Hinduism enjoins one to constantly strive to uphold Dharma and make one’s life and environment less evil and more Dharmic with every passing day.

        Abrahamic religions fail on providing a satisfactory answer to the Problem of Evil because they do NOT believe in reincarnation. That is, there is but one earthly life followed by eternal hell or eternal heaven. I think belief in reincarnation *may* aid in providing a satisfactory solution to the problem of evil.

        The above is my belief (i.e. I cannot prove that reincarnation happens, etc.) But to junk a theistic philosophy based on the fact that evil exists in the world amounts to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

        Putting such theodicies aside, whats the point of NOT believing in a God? That is, what is there in it for me? Can I become a better teacher, student, scientist, father, son, etc. by embracing atheism? How is Ali Sina’s life better than mine?

        Problem of evil or no problem of evil, people (theists, atheists) have their own means of making peace with this world. What you should be working for is separation of church/mosque/temple and state so that the government takes a neutral stance in its role. Hinduism is a personal religion unlike the Abrahamic ones where the church or the mosque BECOMES the state.

      • Namaste respected Vajra,
        Proof of negative cannot be given. It is illogical to demand proof of non-existence. On the contrary, onus to prove the existence of a thing is on him/her who asserts the existence of a thing.Muslims can likewise demand”Do u have irrefutable evidence that Quran was not revealed by Allah to Muhammad?” Get the point?

      • Namaste Atheist Jabali Ji

        proof of the negative can indeed be given, but i think you meant “argument from ignorance” in the above post .Correct me if i am wrong

      • Dear Atheist Jabali

        ————Proof of negative cannot be given. ————-

        Definition of negative may not be same for me and you. You have already assumed that non existence of God is a neutral state and thus does not need proofs. Similarly, for me, existence of God is inbuilt and thus does not require proofs but non existence does!

        Another flaw in atheistic stand is that it can never be proved as you accepted. So how logical is it to believe in something which has no proofs? Now I invite you to discuss on existence of God. Please let me know for what reasons you dont want to believe in God.

        ———— and It is illogical to demand proof of non-existence. ————–

        Not necessarily! If I ask you, is there elephant in front of you right now, cant you deny it with proofs? Of course you can. You just need to show that the actual conditions do not match with the characteristics of being elephant there.

        ————-Muslims can likewise demand”Do u have irrefutable evidence that Quran was not revealed by Allah to Muhammad?”————-

        We have proofs! Why not? Wholse concept of Islam is based on Miracles which themselves are UNNATURAL AND UNVERIFIABLE. For example people saw the splitting of moon as per Quran, but it is against common sense and cant be repeated now.

      • @Atheist:

        That you cannot give proof of God’s non-existence is YOUR problem – not the believers’. It is perfectly LOGICAL to ask you to prove God’s non-existence. That you cannot provide one does not make the question ILLOGICAL. Your saying that it is IS illogical. 😉

        On the contrary, onus to prove the existence of a thing is on him/her who asserts the existence of a thing

        I can attempt to provide positive proof of a God. A basic cosmological argument would do. Everything contingent thing has a creator. The universe is a contingent thing. So, the universe has a creator.

        This is a valid proof. If you disagree with the conclusion, you would have to find fault with “The universe is a contingent thing”. Atheists have tried to get out of this by saying that the universe is NOT a contingent thing – it is a bare fact. This to me seems an assertion. Care to provide proof of this eternally existential claim?

        Muslims can likewise demand”Do u have irrefutable evidence that Quran was not revealed by Allah to Muhammad?” Get the point?

        Sure do. My attack on Islam is not that it is provable/unprovable (others more educated than me on Islamic history can and DO attack Islam about its falsity). I attack Islam because of what it enables. It enables complete mixing of mosque and state – in fact, mosque BECOMES the state. That’s a huge problem.

        Please let me know what your belief in the non-existence of God enables you to do more or better than Hindus i.e. why should I become an atheist?

      • @Athiest Jabali

        Namaste brother,

        brother, let me address some things to you.

        If you do not believe in God, no problem. As per Vedas, a believer is equal to a non believer, because Ishwar only looks at your deeds. Unlike Islam, where if you refuse to believe in Allah and Mohammad, you reserve your seat in hell fire. The beauty of Vedas is rationality. This means you judge, you discover things on your own, and you do not have to follow a set of rules predesigned by some book BLINDLY without thinking if its right or wrong.

        As per Vedas, an atheist, monotheist, and even polytheist can all attain bliss if they do good deeds. So, brother, either your believe in God or you don’t either way, you are following the Vedic Dharma, because Vedic Dharma is all about humanity.

        Now let me show you some evidence of the existence of God or some sort of a divine force.

        1) Look at our solar system, look at the order of the planets orbiting the sun, do you see a perfect order? On earth we get day and night, who do you think designed this perfect system??? Yet this system is so perfect that day is followed by night and then night is followed by day and so on, and never two nights at the same pace or two days at the same pace??? Each planet orbits at a constant velocity. Brother, I am not comparing this galaxy to a cell phone, but look at your cell phone. You can call people, you can send txt messages, you can even surf the internet, but dont you think this is an intelligent design and there must be some intelligent creator for this??? Logically, the same can be said about the galaxy, that there must be some intelligent creator behind this. The sun supplies us light, gives us energy, gives our agriculture energy, this whole thing is a system for us, now who could have been behind this??

        2)Biologically, look at the internal structure of humans and animals, see how our body is designed. We eat food, we taste it, we swallow it, then our food gets digested and eventually ejected in some form. Look how intelligently is our body designed, its like a system, only some intelligent person can design this system right???

        3)Look at nature, we have four seasons, winter, fall, spring, and summer, and all of them show up in different time phases in a perfect harmony. It has always been constantly going like this, now you tell me who could have designed this nature so perfectly??

        There are many more such examples, but all of them have one thing in common and that is they are follow some order, and they all harmonize in a perfect pattern. Now, I gave you three examples above, I can go on and on, if I only had one example, then we could have used the excuse of coincidence, even two examples, still we can rely on an extended version of a coincidence, but brother, there are millions of such examples of perfection and harmony, so can they all be coincidences???

        brother, based on logic, we can easily see that there must be some divine power who has created this, and also is managing this.

  13. Who is a “minority” in the present global context? A community may be numerically small relative to the local population, but globally it may in fact be part of the majority that is powerful, assertive and well-funded. Given that India is experiencing a growing influx of global funding, political lobbying, legal action and flow of ideologies, what criteria should we use to classify a group as a “minority”? Should certain groups, now counted as minorities, be reclassified given their enormous worldwide clout, power and resources? If the “minority” concerned has actually merged into an extra-territorial power through ideology (like Maoists) or theology (like many churches and madrassas), through infrastructure investment (like buying large amounts of land, buildings, setting up training centers, etc.), through digital integration and internal governance, then do they not become a powerful tool of intervention representing a larger global force rather than being simply a “minority” in India. Certainly, one would not consider a local franchise of McDonalds in India to be a minor enterprise just because it may employ only a handful of employees with modest revenues locally. It is its global size, presence and clout that are counted and that determine the rules, restrictions and disclosure requirements to which it must adhere. Similarly, nation-states’ presence in the form of consulates is also regulated. But why are foreign religious MNCs exempted from similar requirements of transparency and supervision? (For example: Bishops are appointed by the Vatican, funded by it, and given management doctrine to implement by the Vatican, and yet are not regulated on par with diplomats in consulates representing foreign sovereign states.) Indian security agencies do monitor Chinese influences and interventions into Buddhist monasteries in the northern mountain belt, because such interventions can compromise Indian sovereignty and soft power while boosting China’s clout. Should the same supervision also apply to Christian groups operating under the direction and control of their western headquarters and Islamic organizations funded and/or ideologically influenced by their respective foreign headquarters? What should India do to improve and deliver social justice in order to secure its minorities and wean them away from global nexuses that are often anti-Indian.

  14. How long has been the so-called “Hindu Terror ” in existence in India and How long has been the Tyranny of Islam and Jihad activities been in existence in not only in India but also Worldwide?
    Did Hindus ever-hijacked Plains, or exploded Trains, or blown up important building like Embassies worldwide?
    How may hostages have Hindus Killed worldwide?
    Can you really compare Jihad with Hindu Terror at all?
    How long Hindus have been terrorized in their own country?
    Be honest in your expression of events.
    Did 9/11, 7/7, (US AND UK) and 17/08/04, 05/07/05, 25/10/05, 28/12/05 26/11/08, 27/09/08, 13/09/08, and many more attacks in India including the Indian Parliament attack on 13/12/2001 be compared?
    Were those attacks by HINDU TERRORISTS?
    There is ample evidence that Hindus have been Terrorized in India by the Jihadi organizations from the neighboring Islamic Nations.
    One scooter disaster by Hindus has been blamed as Hindu Terror How many Non- Hindus have been killed so far by so-called “Hindu Terrorists” until today?

  16. this kaaba is nothing but shiva lingam
    PROOFS:
    KING VIKRAMADITYA INSCRIPTION ON A GOLD DISH HUNG INSIDE THE KAABA
    In pure scientific study about the Historical Muhammad raises basic questions concerning the prophet’s role as a moral paragon; the sources of Islamic law; and the God-given nature of the Koran. The scientists even doubt the existence of Muhammad. Scientists say that the Koran is a not a product of Muhammad or even of Arabia, but a collection of materials stitched together to meet the needs of a later age. There was no Islam until two or three hundred years after the traditional version at around 830CE. The Arab tribesmen who conquered in the seventh century vast territory were not Moslems, but were persons who worshiped idols and are scientists call them pagans.
    Even though Prophet Muhammad was born in the full light of history the earliest document date about a century and a half after his death. Not only does this long lapse of time cast doubt on their accuracy, but internal evidence strongly suggests the Arabic sources were composed in the context of intense partisan quarrels over the prophet’s life. The earliest sources like papyri, inscriptions, and coins on the prophet’s life, contradict the standard biography. An inscription and a Greek account fix Muhammad’s birth in 552, not 570. Muhammad’s career took place not in Mecca but hundreds of kilometers to the north. Yehuda Nevo. The classical Arabic language was developed not in today’s Saudi Arabia but in the Levant.
    Long before Islam came in to existence, Kaaba, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia was a pilgrimage site. The word Kaaba might have come from the Tamil Language which originated around 1700BC. In Tamil Nadu Kabaalishwaran temple is Lord Shiva’s temple and Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The black stone at Kaaba is held sacred and holy in Islam and is called “Hajre Aswad” from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or Non-white stone. The Shiva Lingam is also called Sanghey Ashweta. So what is in Kaaba could be the same what Hindus worship. The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at the centre of the Kaaba is octagonal in shape. In Hinduism, the pedestal of Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape. Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate or Pradakshina, around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic. In Shiva temples Hindus always practice circumambulation or Pradakshina. Just as in Hinduism, the custom of circumambulation by muslim pilgrims around the entire Kaaba building seven times shows that the claim that in Islam they don’t worship stones is not true.
    Allah was one of the deities in Kaaba long before Islam was founded. It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term ‘ALLAH’ forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.
    The King Vikramaditya inscription was found on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. (Ref: page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey). King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic Hindu sacred scriptures in Arabia and Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life. The annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca and the present annual hajj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation. . Even to this day ancient Siva emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.
    Muslims shave their head and beard and don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean and with holy seamless white sheets. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 idols. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of ‘Navagraha’ puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon. In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.
    The Hindu Vedic letter in Sanskrit “OM” if seen in a mirror one can see the Arabic numbers 786 and this is the most sacred number for Muslims and copies of the Arabic Koran have the mysterious figure 786 imprinted on them. In their ignorance simply they do not realize that this special number is nothing more than the holiest of Vedic symbols misread and none of the Arabic scholar has been able to determine how they chose 786 as the sacred for them. In short muslims are also going around Siva Lingam at Kaaba, seven times as Hindus go around it seven times.
    A few miles away from Mecca are a big signboard which bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture. Kaaba is clothed in a black shroud. This custom also originated from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.
    Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).

    PROPHET MUHAMMED’S UNCLE PRAISE LORD SHIVAIN HIS POEM

  17. excellent article………..Its sad why muslims are following charlatans like Naik even though Naik is easily giving hints that islam is illogic.

  18. Islamhinduism is a shit site which silences critics by deleting the comments.

    When I asked why my satanism is not true religion where as Islam is the only true religion I got no answer.

    When I said that theory of reincarnation has to be proved wrong based on emperical evidence rather than the usefulness/uselessness of reincarnation I got no answer.

    When I asked why god is such a sadist to punish a person for infinite period for a sin commited for a finite period and asked for objective of punishment I got no answer.

    When I said I am the new prophet and many of the old prophets are just crooks, thus proving that quran is not book of god (as it says no prophet will come after that false prophet muhammad) ,I got no answer .

    All I got is deletion of my questions.

    • @adolf:

      Bro…what do you expect? Their prophet mentioned in his sermon that he was the last prophet, anyone else who claims to be one after him is a charlatan, and no other faith/religion can arise after his death. (Quite convenient eh ;-))I tried asking one of them there what Sikhs are but the user hasnt answered still…:-(

      • They are keeping the posts which suits them and deleting the posts which they cannot answer.

        My username is blocked from posting and my existing posts are removed.

        Unfortunately sikhs has to prove guru grandh sahib is revelation of GOD in the court of islam, while islam does not require to prove the same as it is the only truth. Hypocracy at its max.

        They say jihad is fight with his own self.
        This indicate that a person must be bad intitally to fight against himself so he gets higher heaven.
        What a stupid god who rewards a converted person more than a normal person who does not need to fight with himself at all.

  19. Hey man appollo reach,
    Very nice of u to give a response properly prefaced with translation of Nasadiya Sukta/and other verses from Vedas.
    <<<<<>>>
    Fine that u agree the Vedas reject the rigid and illogical creationist theories of other scriptures.
    <<<<<>>>
    Precisely. This would look strange not only to Abrahamic minds but also to Pauranicas

    The rest of ur post needs leisured and proper analysis as to where are the areas of our agreements and disagreements and accordingly i will post a reasoned response may be sometime next week. In the mean time why dont u write out a nice article on this Nasadiya Sukta and send it to Admin so that they can post?

    • @kalbhairav
      You say “Please let me know what your belief in the non-existence of God enables you to do more or better than Hindus i.e. why should I become an atheist?”

      My response: Atheism is not a “belief in the non-existence of God”. It is “absence of belief in existence of God”. Only muslims will qualify as atheists by ur definition as they say “La Ilaha”(There is no God). There is a difference between “absence of belief in existence of a thing” and “Belief in non-existence of a thing”.

      I dont believe that Jinns/Santa Claus/Pink unicorn/thousand-headed snake/Satan/Angel Gabriel/ Shiva/Vishnu/ghost exist because there is no evidence that these things exist. If their existence is proven, I will “accept” not just “believe” that they exist. That does not mean i believe in their non-existence.

  20. What happened? The part of appolloreach’s post which i reporoduced between <<<<>>>>> HAS DISAPPEARED?

  21. Abu Tahir has hit all three of them-Moses, Jesus and Muhammad for a massive six by saying “:In this world, three individuals have corrupted mankind: a shepherd, a physician and a camel-driver. And this camel-driver was the worst pickpocket, the worst prestidigitator of the three.”

    • Brother AJ

      Haha! But most important thing in the above is who said this. It was a Muslim (ex) whereas Muslims cry always about Islam being fastest growing religion which no one leaves!

  22. Bloody hell how dare a scripture calls us as najis just based on belief….bloody malechas..And v share our country with these dirty traitors.They came invading,raped women, plundered,looted,killed ppl in India and destroyed temples hurting our feelings.They have all the facilities in India and extra minority reservations thanks to our tolerance and then they secretly go behind walls and call us Najis.Bloody hipocrite.I hate islam…islam sucks…..come what might we avoid all tolerance towards islam and their grand gangsta group,.Hipocrites and if any muslim has seen my post… donot respond to me….dirty untouchable malechas…get out of India…terrorists.

    • Namaste Brother Dharma Thug

      Indian Muslims did not kill or rape but they were killed and raped. They all have Hindu ancestry and were forced to enter Arabic cult. Now because of having no option but to bow to Arabs five times a day, they are trying to be more Islamic than Arabs.

      Lets try to bring them home and of course kick out those who dream of establishing caliphate by carrying out Ghazwa e Hind.

      • But the cultists(muslims) r now out of reach.The mawali group is beyond reach.Every muslims when confronted in discussion is preaching Zakir Naik irf.net rants.I think he has bcome a prophet for them.Man I have seen his debates and speeches on the stage,just to avoid embarracement on stage, for islam being a nazism type cult he shamelessly speaks lies in front of huge audience to make islam seem like some tolerant and peaceful religion.Twisting the statements is fine but ,bloody speaking lies in fronta huge crowd is ridiculous.My mother is a sunni muslim from Hyderabad and she married my father who is a hindu.My father’s parents r extremely broadminded and have accepted her as she was,but her dirty cultist father(my great non progressive muslim grandpa ) is worse than an animal.He had no shame in disowning her.He still doesn’t speak to her,but her mom is fine.He never did anything for my sister or me.My mom is a broadminded lady and believes in humanity.She influenced me in my childhood by taking me to a mosque.The teachings of the imaam’s were in complete contrast to what my father’s mother used to teach abt hinduism.I then realised the stupidity and hatred in them.I once went to the mosque when there was a heavy criticism abt hindus done indirectly.This is completely incontrast to what was being taught in my house.I realised the hate in them.Thats it,I became a official apostate(technically not bcoz my dad is a hindu).But my mom no matter how so much we explain her these things she doesn’t believe these and says all religions r same and they give same message.She thinks Krishna and Mohammad r same.Wat a joke.I tried speaking abt this to her many time but she doesn’t budge.We cannot expect the muslims to come back to our path.Allah has sealed their hearts ..LOL!

  23. Vivekananda’s explanation on idol worship and many GODs theory of Hinduism

    I have just taken a small excerpt of Vivekananda’s speech at World Parliament of Religion on Chicago, 19th September 1893…..

    ”…

    Superstition is a great enemy of man, but bigotry is worse. Why does a Christian go to church? Why is the cross holy? Why is the face turned toward the sky in prayer? Why are there so many images in the Catholic Church? Why are there so many images in the minds of Protestants when they pray? My brethren, we can Do more think about anything without a mental image than we can live without breathing- By the law of association the material image calls up the mental idea and vice versa. This is why the Hindu uses an external symbol when he worships. He will tell you. it helps to keep his mind fixed on the Being to whom he prays. He knows as well as you do that the image is not God, is not omnipresent. finer all, how much does omnipresence mean to almost the whole world? It stands merely as a word, a symbol. Has God superficial area? If not, when we repeat that word ‘omnipresent’, we think of the extended sky. or of space – that is all.

    As we find that somehow or other, by the laws of our mental constitution, we have to associate our ideas of infinity with the image of the blue sky, or of the sea, so we naturally connect our idea of holiness with the image of a church, a mosque, or a cross. The Hindus have associated the ideas of holiness, purity, truth, omnipresence, and such other ideas with different images and forms. But with this difference that while some people devote their whole lives to their idol of a church and never rise higher, because with them religion means an intellectual assent to certain doctrines and doing good to their fellows, the whole religion of the Hindu is centered in realization. Man is to become divine by realizing the divine. Idols or temples or churches or books are only the supports, the helps, of his spiritual childhood; but on and on he must progress.

    He must not stop anywhere. ‘External worship, material worship’ ?,’ say the scriptures, ‘is the lowest stage,’ struggling to rise high, mental prayer is the next stage, but the highest stage is when the Lord has been realized., Mark, the same earnest man who is kneeling before the idol tells you, ‘Him the sun cannot express, nor the moon, nor the stars, the lightning cannot express Him, nor what we speak of as fire; through Him they shine.’ But he does not abuse anyone’s idol or call its worship sin. He recognizes in it a necessary stage of life. ‘The child is father of the man.’ Would it be right for an old man to say that childhood is a sin or youth a sin?

    If a man can realize his divine nature with the help of an image, would it be right to call that a sin? Nor, even when he has passed that stage, should he call it an error. To the Hindu, man is not traveling from error to truth, but from truth to truth, from lower to higher truth. To him all the religions from the lowest fetishism to the highest absolutism, mean so many attempts of the human soul to grasp and realize the Infinite, each determined by the conditions of its birth and association, and each of these marks a stage of progress; and every soul is a young eagle soaring higher and higher, gathering more and more strength till it reaches the Glorious Sun.

    Unity in variety is the plan of nature, and the Hindu has recognized it. Every other religion lays down certain fixed dogmas and tries to force society to adopt them. It places before society only one coat which must fit Jack and John and Henry, all alike. If it does not fit John or Henry he must go without a coat to cover his body. The Hindus have discovered that the absolute can only be realized, or thought of, or stated through the relative, and the images, crosses, and crescents are simply so many symbols – so many pegs to hang spiritual ideas on. It is not that this help is necessary for everyone, but those that do not need it have no right to say that it is wrong. Nor is it compulsory in Hinduism.

    One thing I must tell you. Idolatry in India does not mean anything horrible. It is not the mother of harlots. On the other hand, it is the attempt of undeveloped minds to grasp high spiritual truths. The Hindus have their faults, they sometimes have their exceptions; but mark this, they are always for punishing their own bodies, and never for cutting the throats of their neighbors. If the Hindu fanatic burns himself on the pyre, he never lights the fire of Inquisition. And even this cannot be laid at the door of his religion any more than the burning of witches can be laid at the door of Christianity.

    To the Hindu, then, the whole world of religions is only a traveling, a coming up, of different men and women, through various conditions and circumstances, to the same goal. Every religion is only evolving a God out of the material man, and the same God is the inspirer of all of them. Why, then, are there so many contradictions? They are only apparent, says the Hindu. The contradictions come from the same truth adapting itself to the varying circumstances of different natures.

    It is the same light coming through glasses of different colors- And these little variations are necessary for purposes of adaptation. But in the heart of everything the same truth reigns. The Lord has declared to the Hindu in His incarnation as Krishna: ‘I am in every religion as the thread through a string of pearls. Wherever thou seest extraordinary holiness and extraordinary power raising and purifying humanity, know thou that I am there. ‘ And what has been the result? I challenge the world to find, throughout the whole system of Sanskrit philosophy, any such expression as that the Hindu alone will be saved and not others. Says Vyasa, ‘we find perfect men even beyond the pale of our caste and creed.’ One thing more. How, then, can the Hindu, whose whole fabric of thought centers in God, believe in Buddhism which is agnostic, or in Jainism which is atheistic?

    The Buddhists or the Jains do not depend upon God; but the whole force of their religion is directed to the great central truth in every religion, to evolve a God out of man. They have not seen the Father, but they have seen the Son. And he that hath seen the Son bath seen the Father also. ..”

    “…

    Descend we now from the aspirations of philosophy to the religion of the ignorant. At the very outset, I may tell you that there is no polytheism in India. In every temple, if one stands by and listens, one will find the worshipers applying all the attributes of God, including omnipresence. to the images. It is not polytheism, nor would the name henotheism explain the situation.

    ‘The rose, called by any other name, would smell as sweet.’ Names are not explanations.

    I remember, as a boy, hearing a Christian missionary preach to crowd in India. Among other sweet things he was telling them was, that if he gave a blow to their idol with his stick. what could it do? One of his hearers sharply answered, ‘If I abuse your God, what can He do?’ ‘ou would be punished,’ said the preacher, ‘when you die.’ ‘So my idol will punish you when you die,’ retorted the Hindu.

    The tree is known by its fruits. When l have seen amongst them that are called idolaters, men, the like of whom, in morality and spirituality and love, I have never seen anywhere, l stop and ask myself, ‘Can sin beget holiness?’ ..”

    For the full speech check

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_1/Addresses_at_The_Parliament_of_Religions/Paper_on_Hinduism

  24. Two of Hinduism greatest revolutionist, Swami Dayanand Saraswati and Swami Vivekananda,, two very diffrent approch but sooooo Vedic and soooooo SANATANA DHARMA,
    Just imagine a person who can grasp both the concepts and reach the world, that will be the true Kalki.

    OM TAT SAT

  25. Assalam-u-alaikum warahmah
    Dear muslim brothers don’t worry we are the winner because we are in true path let the non muslim say and spread any nonsence interrogations!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. @syed:

    Dear muslim brothers don’t worry we are the winner because we are in true path let the non muslim say and spread any nonsence interrogations!!!!!!!!!!!

    Prove this. If you cannot, then you are the perfect example of a frog in the well. There is a BEAUTIFUL AND EXHILIRATING WORLD outside of Islam. May you get to experience it.

    • Salam u alaikum
      @Kal

      West has been trying to destruct the figure of Islam since many years but if you see the west nation is suffering about converting of Infedals to Islam and it is remarkable.
      A week before one christian pop who has done explosion in norway have you seen the interview he said that I am concerning that may not Muslim added in Islam and take the Khilafah.

      Kal Bhairav jee zara media par nazar rako

      • @syed

        See, how sunnis are killing shias, Kurds, Ahmedayyias..etc. Muslims killing muslims everywhere. People blowed up into pieces for ‘religion of peace’ by ‘religion of peace’. You are too busy in fighting with each other, you don’t need a 3rd party. So stop BLAMING EAST or WEST. The problem lies within you. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Algeira, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Egypt…etc all are infected with the virus of ‘religion of peace’ Mind you, list is huge and increasing. See their condition now hungry, devastated.

        Anders was a psycho. Instead, he should have joined NATO and killed likes of talibanis. I see a conspiracy of islamists in that to de-mean hinduism and christianity.(see even we can blame you for each and every wrong doings happened on earth) 😉

        syed jahil ji, chuhe bhi apni tadaad badhne par apne aap ko ghar ka malik samjhne lagte hai, woh baat aur hai. Apne naam ke aage Alim likhne se alim nahi ho jate.

      • @bloody sharvak jee

        Have you ever deeply investigate the real action and crime or sitting in chair and following the westren or infedals like your blaspheme media.
        West has spent huge fund to adversitate them,because they scared spreading of Islam religion in west west has perpare some infedals scholar by the name of Islam and enter in Islamic community misguide them all these issues are possible in cool fight which is based on misguided conspiracy it should not be left unsaid Islam religion is motivative movement in the world due to reality but there are many illetrate persons like you that their and your ear,heart and eyes have sealed off understand don’t try to contemn others religion. Mr Jahil Shravak jee
        choohe ki tarah choo choo karte ho magar
        choo choo karne se apni gar ka khial rako

  27. Syed, take a look at muslim nation, first. It does not require the West or East to destroy islam. the self destruct button of islam has already been pressed. the silent movement within islam to render it redundant is already underway. In this age of intellectual power, islam has nothing to offer other than beards and 5 prayers everyday. ask yourself as to why so many islamic nations are so wretched, despite oil money.

    • @vansh

      It is require to west and east because USA and european union nation give huge fund to Pakistan to harsh the figure of Islam in the world.It is clear for all that Kashmir is belong to India and Peshawar is belog to Afghanistan so in this pretext the west abuse from political occassion and kill the leaders of Islam throgh bloody Pakistan see have you ever heard that the suicide attakers who blown themselves from any where else except Pakistan.
      Pakistan is doing for his benificial goal and as long as it has afford of fighting against India and Afghanistan it will never hesitate to prepare the suicide attakers and doing explosion like the known hotel which is in India last year some Pakistani suicide attakers who enter in it and did explosion and if you remember that one person detained by the Indian police by the name of Ajmal who is butcher and the deviant and deciever Pakistani scholar ISI addministration preached them that if you do suicide in India so will be in Heaven and with the girl who are created for you.
      Eventually I say that Islam has’nt said that do suicide attake and blown yourselves and blowing oneself has no basic in Islam religion if it has so show me in Ayah or Hadith, it is all what Pakistan is doing against Islam Pakistan it self is a christian government and supportes by the west and the Musad intteligance addministration which is belong to the Isreal is working in Pakistan and killing the Muslims innocently this issues might be clear to you.
      Thanks

      • walaikum -o- assalam wahrahmatullahe wabarakatuhu!
        to start with, i would say that it is very easy to say that this is not in Islam and that is not in Islam. seems there are two versions of Koran available, one that the extremist, terrorists, and suicide bombers read and one that you are talking about.the truth is every verse of Koran either praises Allah and Mohammad or talks about the hatred towards Non Muslims ! the truth is i am a liberal and progressive person and i really find Islam completely hateful and if i was a Muslim, i would have either committed suicide or living happily as an apostate.

  28. Inspite of shouting of peace,,,,,,,peace…….peace, islam means peace by Muslim scholar. Why muslim scholar talk a lot of about peace? Ironically most of the terrorist across the world belong to Islam.
    Is Islam mean peace or terrorism? You will hardly find any religion which talk a lot of peace now a days but islam. But where is peace? If Islam means peace how terrorist can breed in islam. There must have double standard of Islam. We can see peace of islam in Pakistan, Afganistan, Irak, Iran etc. Islam based most peaceful countries. If these country against islam teaching why not their Master Soudi Arab issued Fatwa against them & declare them non-islamic countries.

    • Islam means peace? Dunno, so called Religion of Peace’s holy book(quran) consist 140 verses that talk about Killing? huh? So much for…

  30. Polytheists are not allowed in Kaaba only per the Quran 9:28. Christians and Jews are not polythiests. Secondly, its the masjid only where the polytheists can’t enter. They should be able to go to rest of Makkah and Madinah.

    • Namaste AJ

      1. So you mean Zakir Naik is wrong when he says that Non Muslims are not allowed in Mecca? Or you mean that Jews and Christians are also Muslims?

      2. Ibn Kathir, in his Tafsir of Quran writes in [9:28]-

      “Imam Abu Amr Al-Awza’i said, “Umar bin Abdul-Aziz wrote (to his governors) to prevent JEWS and CHRISTIANS from entering the Masjids of Muslims, and he followed his order with Allah’s statement, (Verily, the Mushrikin are impure).”

      Now who is lying you or Zakir Naik or Ibn Kathir?

      3. Even if I take your views on face value then may I ask, Can I enter Kaba, being non idolater and pure monotheist but a Hindu?

  31. Dear Sir.
    I am really suprised by what Dr. Naik has said Mecca is the cantonment area of Muslim and muslim are those who are capable of defending mecca.
    Dr. Naik is learned but not the authorithy or qualified as Mufti the learned Islamic Scholar he is self learned man . God must have giving him good memory , but he used more of his brain than Islam one can go wrong . I am also is very small learned person and not Mukti so not to be taken seriously
    !) Mecca is one of the biggest Masjid of Muslim like any other masjid throughout the world the only different is that in other masjid namaj take place and marriages are also conducted while in mecca it is place of Pilgrimage for all the muslim of the world and no marriage take place . All the Masjid and Dargah of Muslim are open for Non muslim they are specially even invited to the masjid for marriage . Regarding Non Muslim not been allowed is mostly the political decision of Saudi State .

    2) The most holy thing for a muslim is Quran and the nonmuslim are permitted to touch them read them if non muslim were considered impure how would be they permitted to touch Quran,.

    My brother and people of Vedas we all different color flower of the same thread , we are only figthing over different color , if we meditate inside us we will all find same thread.

    Religion is suppose to teach love and not hatred . Those who knows god do not want to know anything else and those who cant find god they are just ignorant.
    May Allah Iswar give wisdom to all

  32. The purpose of Muslims going to Makkah and Madina is for Worship, only. They are the most holy of the places for the Muslims. These areas are not a tourist spot or for sight seeing, where anybody can go for fun and picnic. Hope you now understand why Non-Muslims are not allowed in Makkah.

    • @Abdul:

      These areas are not a tourist spot or for sight seeing, where anybody can go for fun and picnic.

      Why do you guys take your religion so seriously? Is Allah against sight seeing or people having fun and picnic?

      • Dear friend KalBhairav, As i had already said, We, Muslims go to Makkah and Madina to offer our prayers in the most holiest of places. What will the Non-muslims do if allowed to go there ? There is a difference between places of worship and places of sight seeing. My friend, there are tourist places in the other cities of Saudi Arabia and in other Muslim countries (Dubai, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey), and nobody is stopping you from visiting them for sight seeing. http://www.the-saudi.net/saudi-arabia/tourism.htm

      • @Abdul:

        What will the Non-muslims do if allowed to go there ?

        I am not asking for entry into the Kaaba. I just want to see the cities of Mecca and Medina. Anything wrong?

      • My friends, The only thing worth going to in these two cities are the Masjids. The only thing worthy of doing when there is offering your prayers to the one and only Supreme Allah.
        The streets, houses and buildings as such in these cities are just the same as other cities of Saudi Arabia. Nothing special about them. I will have to ask again ” What will the non-muslims do there”. What is the purpose of going there ?”

        Your longing to see the two holy masjids is very encouraging. You guys accept Islam and your desire to see the two holy places will be fulfilled.

      • @Abdul Aleem
        ______What will the non-muslims do there_______
        Brother , first you clarify who is Muslim? If I have not Arbi name, Am I not Muslim? Why do think I am not Muslim if I believe God is one, in peace, love, not killer of beneficial animals, believe in monogamy, etc.
        & As per scholar they are true Muslim
        those who believe in peace and humanity are Muslims regardless of theybeing Hindu, Christian, Shia, Sunni, Jew, Atheist etc. So state of Pakistan, Iran, etc are ruled and dominated by Kafirs. The Indian Hindus are in majority true Muslims. Allah forbids to link Islam with any blind faith on any book
        http://satyagni.com/fatwa-online

      • Well said Brother Truth Seeker.

        @Brother Abdul

        ———What will the non-muslims do there——-

        There can be n number of reasons, few of them may be following

        1. Suppose my mother is an Arabic Muslimah living in Mecca and I live in India and by choice, I am Hindu. Now I want to meet my mother.

        2. My Arabic friend has wedding ceremony over there.

        3. I want to study about Islam in university of Mecca.

        4. I want to visit the center of earth 🙂

        5. I want to see the birthplace of the best man ever walked on earth!

        6. I want to visit the caves where Allah (who is Rab ul AALIMEEN and not Rab ul MUSLIMEEN) revealed His last and final message for WHOLE HUMANITY including me.

        ……….

        I will give next 6 once you deny these 6 🙂

    • Dear Abdul Aleem

      do you mean to say that whole cities of Mecca and Medina are prayer halls?

      you need to read some news friend

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/mecca-for-the-rich-islams-holiest-site-turning-into-vegas-2360114.html

      “Once a dusty desert town struggling to cope with the ever-increasing number of pilgrims arriving for the annual Hajj, the city now soars above its surroundings with a glittering array of skyscrapers, shopping malls and luxury hotels”

      so lets not stop the picnickers and shopaholics from the Malls and luxury hotels ! Though nobody might be interested in visiting the Kaaba for the reasons cited in the article 🙂

      • Namaste Brother Abdul Aleem

        Bros IA and KB have already helped you realize what happens when someone tries to defend the indefensible. In addition to their queries, can you tell us where do Meccans shit and piss, inside Mecca or outside?

  33. @Abdul:

    You guys accept Islam and your desire to see the two holy places will be fulfilled.

    Nah…Islam’s not for me.

    Now, if only we Hindus started saying Ayodyha, Kashi, Somnath, Kancheepuram, etc. are too holy for us and all Muslims there ought to convert to Hinduism else relocate…But alas, we arent as broad minded as you guys. 🙂

    • @KalBhairav
      Brother, If you really want to visit to Makka/ Kaba just replace your name with some Arbi word. You will be allowed to enter in Kaba no matter you are a rapist, terrorist, criminal, traitor etc. You will be treated As muslim. Otherwise however you good may be like Gandhi Ji, Mother Taresha, Sukrat, etc you are not allowed to enter in Kaba. It is just matter of some Arbi identity.

      • @TS:

        Yes…I am thinking of changing my name from KalBhairav to Kaleem Bohra. Maybe then the true Momins can let me in?

      • Bro KB

        You will fail once again 🙁

        Sunnis and Wahabis consider Shia as Kafirs and Wazib ul Katl. So Shia are (Kafir)^1. Now Bohras are those Shia whom rest of the sub-sects of Shia sect consider Kafir, so you become (Kafir)^2 if you are Bohra. And given that Taqiyya is the copyrighted product of Momins, if you pretend to be Bohra without becoming one, you will be found guilty of deceiving and you become (Kafir)^3 🙁

      • @KB

        Interestingly the swine, who led the anti Ahmadiya procession full of fanatics in Delhi, cries for freedom of speech and free practice of faith for his community in Hindu majority India.

        I would like to share couple of videos (quality is not that good but good enough to expose hypocrisy of Jihadis).

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DvlnUsayc

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZvnvdXP64M

        First video shows a Jihadi speaker ridiculing Ram and Sita by saying (one can listen to the laughing noises from Jihadi audience)-

        “A demon kidnapped Ram’s wife but I dont know whether he was actually a demon or became one after this act of kidnapping… but Hindus dont have any proof that Ravan did any GALAT HARKAT (immoral act) with Sita…. ”

        Now when a Hindu replied in the same tone saying-

        “What would you feel if I start reading Rangeela Rasool right here, do you have guts to listen?”

        Viewers can see the rest as to what happened after that. Bloody sickular organizers of that seminar saved their ass by labeling Hindu speaker as Israel’s and US’s agent and got a big round of applause from Jihadis in return!

      • @Abdul:

        With a name like KalBhairav, can I enter into Mecca? It has a beautiful meaning. It is one of the many names of Brahman itself!

      • Can I/some lady change her name to “Salman Rushdie”, “Ayaan Hirsi Ali”, “Wafa Sultan”, “Ali Sina” or “Taslima Nasreen” respectively and enter Mecca?

  34. @Vajra:

    3. I want to study about Islam in university of Mecca.

    4. I want to visit the center of earth

    5. I want to see the birthplace of the best man ever walked on earth!

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  35. hinduism comes out of many scholers reserach work. vedas is nothing but incarnation of that research.one basic point of difference between hindus and islam is that god ( Bhagaban) himself comes in this world in the form of avatar to teach us to find himself and in islam it is the messenger ( muhammad) who teaches. messenger says allah is almighty. in practical if you give a name to some thing we believe the physical existance of that thing. can you name a thing which does not exist ? they say allah is almighty but out of zero . almighty allah can not come to earth to teach us why ? because he can not have a shape though he is almighty ! does almighty is limited ?

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