Islam means Peace

The version of Islam today, as preached by likes of Zakir Naik, Osama Bin Laden, Talibanis, Saudi Mullahs etc are the greatest threat for humanity today. Due to this the Islam of liberals like Hassan Nisar and Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy remains hidden from limelight.

A large number of articles on the site expose the fraudulent claims of witchdoctors of neo-Wahabi Islam like Zakir Naik and showcase why it is utter foolishness to regard only Quran as final word of Allah and all the rest of the books on earth as redundant for seeking Him. We have explored fallacies and contradictions in existing translations of Quran, status of women in fanatic Islam, extremism and its cause in Islam and host of other topics. The impact has been tremendous and we have now a huge number of rational Muslims seeking ways to wiggle out of clutches of fanatic neo-Wahabi Islam. Many have agreed to believe in Rebirth and Theory of Karma. Others admit that all the Sahih Hadiths (True Sayings of Muhammad) are not true, unlike claims of the clerics that those who refuse to believe in Sahih Hadiths would go to Hell.

Let us assume for a moment that scholars and major schools of Islam like Zakir Naik, Darul Uloom, Barelvi, Qadiyani etc represent true Islam in their own rights. We would also assume that they know more about Islam than Agniveer or anyone else questioning Islam. So if these prominent ‘experts’ and representatives of Islam can issue the following verdicts and their stands on these topics very clearly in most unambiguous terms, there would be no reason for anyone to consider Islam to be a threat.

The verdicts we demand from these ‘experts’ are most reasonable and rational and have nothing offensive about it. It is the absence of clarity on following issues that causes all rational minds to be scared of Islamic terrorism and doubt even innocent fellow Muslims.

So Islam will not be perceived as a threat if, the clerics and experts state that:

1. Thus, if there is a benevolent non-Muslim who refuses to believe in Quran, despite being given an invitation to embrace Islam, because he or she did not find Quran convincing, or because he or she does know Arabic, or a host of other reasons, it does not mean he or she is disqualified from entering into Heaven and must burn in Hell forever.

For example, the great saints, freedom fighters, soldiers and social workers who lived a pious life, knew about Quran, but remained non-Muslim because Quran did not appeal to them, would not go to Hell. (Refer following video by Islamic terrorist Zakir Naik where he gives a most stupid logic that can impress only psychopaths):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbSUkq5ePew

This is very critical, because there can be no trust on those who eventually dream of us (non-Muslims) burning in Hell forever. There can be no greater recipe for hatred than this that we are condemned to Hell forever! The Islamic clerics must address this issue very clearly to cleanse Islam of allegations of fanaticism and hatred for non-Muslims.

Just imagine! Major Unikrishnan laid his life fighting Pakistani terrorists and safeguarding dignity of nation. But he would go to Hell because he did not have Imaan on Quran, Judgment Night, Angels, Muhammad and other fairy tales. But Ajmal Kasab et al who spread so much of nuisance may have virgins in Heaven merely because he surrendered everything to will of Allah and did Jihad – the greatest worship of Allah!

What more, even if a Hindu dies saving dignity of his Muslim sister, still he will go to Hell! What can be bigger insult of Allah and revered Prophet?

(Refer Islamic Jehad and Shirk – Why Islam is fanatic)

2. It is not necessary that a criminal would go to Heaven simply because he surrenders to Quran and Islam and says a ‘sorry’!. So all those terrorists who kill, rape or loot in name of Islam would go to Hell and should be openly condemned by Muslims regardless of their religion. (Refer Islamic Jehad and following video: )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

3. A woman is not bereft of intelligence or half-intelligent compared to men as claimed in several verses of Quran/ Hadiths. Allah allows women the same social, legal and political opportunities in life that He endows to men. (Refer entire series on Women in Islam )

4. The concept of Jazia tax on non-Muslims is disgusting. Social, political and criminal regulations should be same for everyone regardless of religion.

5. The English translations of Quran by likes of Yusuf Ali, Pickthall, Dawood; Tafseers of Sahih International, Jalalyn; Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim as published by Islamic publishers and websites suffer from discrepancies and DO NOT correctly represent Islam.

Because these are the only translations which are used for questioning Islam. The Muslim debaters would refuse to admit that these translations are wrong (because Islam forbids them to condemn other Muslims) but yet try to allege that anti-Islamic material is used to demean Islam!

If there is anything objectionable in sources cited by those questioning Islam, the ‘experts’ should clearly state that they reject the authenticity of the sources even if it is an Islamic publication.

6. The Sahih (True) Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) which talk of rape of war victims, or killing children and other disgusting things (refer Zakir Naik claims Islam – The ONLY Practical Religion of World! and Practical Islam – Science of Hygiene ) are wrong and NOT part of Islam.

In general, any verse that insults the legendary Prophet Muhammas (PBUH) even slightly should be outrightly rejected, be it in Quran translations or Hadiths or any other text.

7. A Muslim who could not find Islam addressing his questions and converts to another religion does not require to be killed for apostasy as per Islamic laws, even if he propagates his new religion. Those who KILL apostates or justify their killing in Islamic state are greatest criminals. (Refer Zakir Naik – the mentor of terrorists)

8. All those Muslim rulers like Babur who admit in their own biography of indulging into pedophilia, homosexuality, cutting thousands of head, narcotics and keeping harem of women are not actually Muslims but disgrace in name of Islam. (Refer Babri and Babur )

9. All those clerics, organizations and countries that call for constant war against non-Muslims are against Islam and criminals. For example refer to following fatwa issued from Saudi Arabia:

Fatwa_It is Obligatory for Non-Muslims to Accept ISLAM

10. Non-Muslims should have the same rights to propagate their beliefs in Islamic countries, (so far the beliefs are not criminal, immoral and violent) as Muslims have the right to propagate Islam in non-Islamic countries. But if Muslims believe that it is against Islam to allow preaching of any other religion in Islamic countries, then they should also stop propagating Islam in other countries.

There should be perfect equality. And those fanatics who justify only one-sided propagation should be termed anti-Islamic on this specific issue. (Refer Answering Zakir Naik – Quran says there is no compulsion in religion)

We had already given another Test of secularism earlier but it seems bit too far-fetched today for the fanatic forces. However the current set of clarifications would require only lip service. We know there is a concept of Taqiah in Islam that is implied to justify every crooked act with enemies. But we are even willing to give benefit of doubt to these eminent representatives of Islam and assume that they will not indulge in such practices which were not allowed as per original message of Muhammad.

Whenever someone makes a cartoon of Muhammad or appeals for burning Quran, it hurts us a lot. We strongly oppose such moves to hurt sentiments of millions of our Muslim brothers and sisters. Disagreement should never imply hatred.

But the only way to solve this issue would be by offering the above-said clarifications publicly and creating an environment of mutual trust and dignity. Otherwise innocent Muslims would continue to live in humility and rest of the non-Muslims would continue to showcase their hatred against fanaticism by denigrating legends like Muhammad and Quran. And this hatred will continue to increase giving rise to more and more terrorists like Osama Bin Laden and Ajmal Kasab. And taking benefit of the market opportunity and petro-dollars in hands of fanatic forces, dogmatic intolerant fraud preachers like Zakir Naik will open more of shops to offer ‘peace’ by justifying killing of apostates and Hell for rest of us.

We request visitors on the site to help circulate this message and use your influence to extract public statements from influential representatives of Islam on these most vital issues. In absence of same, our tirade against fanatic Islam would continue.

Because let it be known that Prophet Muhammad was one of the greatest legends ever born in history. Any insult to him or his legacy is an insult to entire humanity. Agniveer cannot tolerate it.

||Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah||

May tolerance prevail!

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Arabisation of Indian Muslims – And its ill Effects:
By R. Upadhyay

To day the restive Muslim youths of Arab world are aggressively clamouring for democracy and protesting against their despotic rulers who with a strategy to remain in power have never allowed them any freedom to think beyond mosque, madrasa and the Haj. Contrary to it, the Indian Muslims or the descendents of native converts instead of enjoying their freedom in a secular and democratic environment are marching in with step with their mental subservience to Arabian Indians.

From the time of loss of their political domination in the sub-continent, the Arab Indians had launched a movement for Arabisation of native converts in the name of Islamic revivalism. Their sole objective appeared to be to use them as their unpaid soldiers to fight for their self seeking interest of sharing political power in the changed political system in the region. The uneducated Indian Muslims who had not lost their pre-Islamic consciousness failed to understand the clever design of their co-religionists, fell in their trap of Arabisation by sharing Arab customs and traditions which have nothing to do with the spiritual aspects of Islam. Under the process of Arabisation which is still continuing, they are irretrievably losing their emotional bondage with pre-Islamic sense of belonging to the cultural consciousness of this land which has been the inner strength of Indian society for hundreds of years

This uninterrupted movement which began since mid eighteenth century was basically to regain the political domination of Arabian Indians. It was practically a ploy to subvert the Indian Muslims’ emotional loyalty towards their indigenous traditions and customs they have lived with for generations, replace them with the cultural traditions and customs of Arabs and thereby push for a homogenous Islamic identity based on the civilisational consciousness of Arabs. Apart from the loyalty to family they also preached for a greater loyalty to pure Islam which they interpreted as imitation of the socio-religious conduct of Arabs.

Despite the absence of any Quranic sanction of Arab superiority over non-Arab Muslims, the Arabian Indians while launching the movement for Islamic revivalism linked Islam with Arab culture and traditions and thereby campaigned for Arabisation of Indian Muslims. They also included the imitation of dress code of early Arabs and many traits of the personal life of Prophet Mohammad as a mandatory requirement for a Muslim. Mawlana Iliyas, the pioneer of Tabligh Jamaat, an offshoot of Deoband Movement was so obsessed with the puritan Arab tradition of Islam that when a much praised Muslim youth who had completed his study of the Quran, but was clean- shaven, was presented before him during his travel, he was distressed to see the absence of Islam on his outward appearance (The Faith Movement of Mawlana Ilyas by Anwarul Haq page, 108-09).

Such imposition of dress code on Indian Muslims was nothing Quranic but a part of the movement for Arabisation of Indian Muslims. Similarly, if one looks to the institutional song and flag of Aligarh Muslim University there is hardly anything which is rooted to Indian tradition and culture. The university Tarana(song) does not contain a single word in praise of India but it glorifies such things as the evening of Egypt and the mornings of Shiraj. The university flag has greater resemblance with the flags of Muslim countries, with moon and palm tree stamped on it, than with that of India (Aligarh Muslim University and Muslim Politics by Dr. S.S.Gupta, 1992, page79).

Contrary to the laws of classical sociology and ethnology which demand even the native converts to remain an integral part of their civilisational roots, the Arabian Indians took the role of guardians of Indian Muslims and pushed them for a cultural consciousness of Arab world by interpreting Islam in Arab matrix of culture and tradition. They not only guided the native converts to consult them for giving name to their children in Arabic and Persian words but also for adopting the manner, etiquette, social behaviour and customs of the people living thousands of kilometres away from them. Although, their forefathers adopted Islam centuries ago their gradual transformation to a new socio-anthropological mould which was amazingly a mental subjugation to Arabian Indians, their innocent and harmonious physical features were blurred with imitation of beard style and dress to such an extent that they created a confusion of being aliens in their own land. The Islamic revival movements were thus not only a source for potential tension and conflict but also one of the causes of the resurgence of fundamentalism.

Before the end of Muslim rule there was hardly any visible difference between the Muslim neighbours and others as they were wearing similar dress, speaking same language’ visiting the shrines of Sufi saints together and so on. Although the only bond of Indian Muslims with Arab was Mecca where Islam was revealed to an Arab in Arabic language, with the movement for Arabisation, there was a massive shift in their self-identification with Arabs. Growing trend of keeping beard, wearing skull caps and Kurta –Pyjama by men and Hijab by women, using Arabic-enriched local language in conversation, preference to seek employment in Middle-East countries, and opposing Indian tradition and customs were the results of Arabisation. One can go further and state without doubt say that the growing resurgence of fundamentalism is the direct influence of Arabisation which in turn is an extension of Wahabism born in the middle of eighteenth century in Arabia.

Even some non-Muslim political leaders with a view to appease the Indian Muslims tried to show their solidarity by wearing their Arab dress on special occations . Shibu Soren former Chief Minister of Jharkhand appeared in the dress of an Arab to attend the party hosted by the Governor Sibte Razvi in 2010 . He looked more like a comic character in a B grade Bollywood movie!

It is an irony that Indian Muslims do not understand that in spite of accepting Arabised identity, they are still treated as Azlafs (low category of Muslims) by Arabs and Arabian Indians Arabs who claim themselves Ashrafs (Noble Muslims). They are living under colonial psyche by sending their children to Arab sponsored low level education in madrasa. Instead of taking lessons from the plight of the people of Arab world, they look towards them as a part of one nation community that is Ummah and feel proud in sending their children to serve them mostly even in low category jobs.

Historically, the ideological foundation for Arabisation of Indian Muslims was laid by an Arabian Indian Shah Waliullah a reputed Ulema in the second half of eighteenth century AD when the Muslim ruling class felt the awful fire of the first challenge to their over five hundred years of rule in the sub-continent following the loss of Bengal in the battle of Plassey in 1757 AD to the East India Company and the rise of Marathas and Jats in the regions contiguous to Delhi, the centre of Muslim Empire. Sensing this humiliation of Muslim power as a danger signal to Islam, he invited Shah Abdali, the ruler of Afghanistan to save the Muslims from the Hindus and also devised a strategy for Arabisation of native converts and their transformation into Islamist soldiers for launching Jihad against the Qafirs (Infidels). His interpretation of Islam was based on the thesis of Arabian Indians’ supremacy not only over the Hindus but also over the Azlaf Muslims (low category of Muslims) by the Muslims of Arab origin.

Exactly after a century when the Islamic power of Arabian Indians in the sub-continent took its last breath in 1857, his disciples and supporters having Arab ancestry put his ideology in operation by launching Islamic revival movements known as Deoband Movement and Aligarh Movement which were meant to gradually inspire the native Muslims to forget their pre-Islamic traditions and customs of generation after generation.

In their analysis of the collapse of Islamic empire the Arabian clerics felt that only Arabisation of the native converts can only transform their loyalty to the Arab land. Accordingly, they institutionalized the movement for recruitment of Islamic warriors for the restoration of Arabian imperialistic power in the sub- continent.

Aligarh did not initially have a common methodology of Islamic revival movement with that of Deoband . While Deoband Movement was for the restoration of Islamic power, the Aligarh Movement was for Islamic modernism without any dilution of Islamic fundamentalism. Modernity requires separation of religion and politics but Islamic modernism of Aligarh movement was a modified version of Islamic fundamentalism. Since the prominent leaders of both the movements had Arab ancestry, they were always alert to ensure that the vested interests of Arabian interests were safe guarded.

The Moplahs in the coastal regions of Kerala who were mostly descendants of Arabian fathers and native mothers took advantage of Khilafat movement and revolted against the Hindu landlords who never objected to the settlement of the alien Arabs in their land for their livelihood. The history of the violent Moplah movement is not known to many and the only detailed account written by the then chief of the Malabar Special Police is yet to be placed in public domain.

The Arabian Indians’ carefully woven strategy was so powerful that it entrapped hundreds of Indian Muslim intellectuals particularly Allama Iqbal ( His grand father Sahaj Ram Sapru, a Kashmiri Hindu was converted to Islam and took the Islamic name Mohammad Rafiq) and Mohammad Ali Jinnah ( His grand father, Poonja Gokuldas Meghji was a Hindu Rajput from Gujarat who was converted to Islam) who were responsible for not only the geographical partition of the sub-continent but also paved the way for the mental partition of India on communal lines. So long as Allama Iqbal remained connected with his indigenous cultural consciousness he proved his commitment to Indian nationalism by composing a poem ‘Sare Jahan se Achha Hindostan Hamara’ but once he was entrapped in the web of Arabisation, he lost his inner strength and became the ideological father of Pakistan. Similarly, Mohammad Ali Jinnah was known as ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity because of deep rooted Indianness in him but once he was overpowered by the alluring bait of Arabian Indians which was to fulfill his egoistic ambition, he gave a call for ‘Direct Action’ in 1946.

Ironically, the division did not end even after partition of the sub-continent. All the Arabian Indian leaders who stayed back in India overnight became ‘nationalist Muslims’ and Indian National Congress accommodated them in party and the government suitably. Gradually, a sizeable number of neo-Arabian Indians jointly produced by Aligarh and Deoband also with the support of Arab money particularly after 1970s when there was a boom in the price of oil took over the command of carrying forward the legacy of Arabising Indian Muslims. Whether it was Shabano case or Babri mosque-Ram Janmabhoomi dispute these neo-Arabian Indians took the lead in mobilizing the Indian Muslim masses for their own interests..

When Will the Indian Muslim masses wake up from the slumber of Arabisation and deliver themselves from Arab Indians ? Will the events we see in the Arab World have any effect on them them? We will have to wait and see.

380 COMMENTS

Human April 19, 2011 At 11:54 am

And brother
Kya hunduism ke hisab se muslim, buddhist, cristian nerk men men nahi jayenge.

aur phir world men 60% cristian hain aur 30% muslims jo jannat aur dozakh par yakeen rakhte hai bus ittefaq nabi ko lekar hai.

and 10% men baki sab dharm ke log hain jaise buddhist, judaism, hunduism.

phir aplog kyun nahin mante jannat dozakh ko.

- Indian Agnostic April 19, 2011 At 12:23 pm
  
  Namaste @Human
  
  ek zamana tha jab 99% log sochte the ki prithvi spaat hai. agar unki percentage dekhkar hi ham chupo chaap is galti ko maan lete to aaj science itni tarakki nahi kar paata
  
  isliye ye bhool jaiye ki kitne log kya maante hain.logic, reason ya intuition se janne ki koshish kijiye ke sach kya hai aur kya sach nahi ho sakta
  
  - Human April 19, 2011 At 10:16 pm
    
    Brother agnostic
    
    ap log to sirf islam ke khilaf hi comment dete ho jabki maine kisi islamic website par ved ke khilaf kuch nahi dekha.
    
    ap agar apne ved ki achchi baten logon ko bataoge to jo galat hai wo apne ap sidh hojayega.
    jaisa ki muslim karte hain
    
    aur phir tumlog muslims ke hi peeche kyun pare ho christian ko kyun nahin samjhate.
    
    kya darte ho?
  - Indian Agnostic April 19, 2011 At 11:07 pm
    
    Namaste @Human Brother
    
    Islam ko sabse pehle tatolna isliye zaroori hai ki Islam aggressive religions mein sabse naya hai .Christianity mein koi Christian aapka gala isliye nahi ret deta ki aapne chriostianity ke khilaaf kuch kaha hai, par islam mein aisa hota hota hai.
    
    aur kai baatein hain jo islam mein Humanity ke khilaaf hain aur duniya bha mein insaniyat ko sataa rahi hain.
    
    Aap shayad comparative religion ko haal hi mein study kar rahe hain.Sabse pehle Islami dawah karne waalon ne hi vedon aur hinduism par sawaal uthaye .Uska Jawaab dene ke liye kai arya samajion ne tark sangat jawaab diye aur Islam ko bhi sachai aur insaniyat ki kasauti par ragda
    
    kai saalon se shaanti bani rahi magar phir dawah karne waale kahan chup baithne waale hain.To Saudi ke paison se Dr. Naik ne naya hamla bola.Aur theek hamesha ki tarah , phir ek baar Aaryon ne Dr. Naik sareekhe logon ko sacchai ka aina dikhanae ki thani.
    
    Aapki baat sahi hai ki Foreign Christian dawah agencies bhi ruhein khareedne mein mushgool hain, oar abhi unhone gale retne shuru nahi kiye. Unka bhi jawaab diya ja raha hai par wo priority number 2 hain.
    
    Ek aur baat hai ki Bhartiy Christians ne foreign Evangelists ka khud virodh kiya hai.Jabki bhartiy muslim arab samrajyikaran ke khel ko samajh hi nahi pa rahe hain. isliye bhi Islam pe likhna zaroori ho jaata hai
    
    aap bataein kya ye galat hai?
  - dharmayoddha May 8, 2011 At 8:58 pm
    
    @Human
    
    Quote,”ur phir tumlog muslims ke hi peeche kyun pare ho christian ko kyun nahin samjhate.
    
    kya darte ho?” Unquote
    
    yehi to sochne ki baat hai, jara apne jahan me zhaak ke dekho, ki mere jaise kattar hindu, muslim ke khilaf dharma yuddha ki ghoshna karta hai, christain, ya baki minority ki khilaf kyu nahi?
    
    Kyunki, woh log apne bhagwan ko church tak simit rakhte hai, weh shanti priya log hai, (unlike muslims) aur desh ke saath gaddari nahi karte, (again unlike muslims). Aur mere dharm per kichad nahi uchalte, bhale mai murti ki pooja karu, 33 koti devtaon ki pooja karu, ya kuch bhi karu. Kal agar gohatya bandi ka kanoon paarit kare, to sabse jyada dange fasad to muslim hi karenge. Christain, bhi to beef khate hai, woh chup chap kanoon ka palan karenge, danga fasad nahi.
    
    Pope ne hajrat mohammed ke khilaf kuch kaha to lage muslim danga fasad karne, (jisko aap log protest kehte hai). Koi christain aaya tumhare khilaf pope ke samarthan me danga fasad karne ke liye? Violent protest, (matlab danga fasad) karan to sirf muslim kaum ki monopoly hai.
- raj.hyd April 19, 2011 At 12:54 pm
  
  manniy human ji koi bat maan kar kyo chala jaye ? khoj kar kyo nahi ? duniya me anpadh, jahil ,sharab pine vale , kuritiya manne vale jhuth bolne vale , andh vishvas manne vale adi bahut sankhya me to kya un sab ko yathavat svikar kar liya jaye ? yah kaun sa tark hai , yah kaun si sachhai hai ? jara yah bh8i to batlaiye ? bhartiy sabhyta me muslim, isai buddhijm adi nark me nahi jayenge 1 jab nark v svarg “vishesh ka sthan hai nahi tab vah kaise jayenge han jo achhe karm karenge unko isi jivan me hi sukh milega jo galat kary karenge vah dukh bhi bhogenge ! vah chahe hindu hon ya muslim adi ! ishvar ki vyavastha me yah hindu muslim nahi dekha jata 1 uske liye to samavadi bat hai ,sabhi ke liye saman nyay vyavastha hai !
  
Dipankar April 19, 2011 At 2:03 pm

Dear friend, arshad ji, that is the differents of truth and untruth.you understand it very simple the pure philosophy of vedanta teaches egolessness,thoughtlessness, and timelessness. Understanding power can limited,any mans can think three ways one is bodily,thoughtly and third imotionally.truths only understands beyond of this three ways.All hindus are well understand thats truth. He works only just happen called LEELA. Any muslim does not dare to imagine of allah in self why? Because he fear, duality also be fearer. Only nonduality are fearless because all is one,and that one was me. Any man can fear himsef? Nothing. You again say you are aalim ? I am not sure. but you are perfectly aalim.because all mans are knowledgeable.but noor are same. This noor helps all man’s in everytime, but man was busy.He goes only completed its own dirty desires, like money,power,and women,housees. Muhhammad so simple leaving, no big money collects, no big houses are stay,no more desire. Noor only helps simple man.lord mahaveer,lord buddha,lord shankaracharya,socretis,laotsu,zurthrust are enlightened because noor helps them.you are also be enlightened few days. You starts a namaj you think a question who starts namaj body or mind?.your mind say this is kufra,what are you doing? But not saying your mind.again and again you clearly see that two parts of body.one was mind second was noor.

Dipankar April 22, 2011 At 3:08 pm

Again top secrets are open:- The whole worlds man are leaving peacefully,mercifully,and lovingly.but big barriars are comes into this leaving is relegion.Hindu,khrichan,Islam, are relegion but he could not help to leaving a man peaceful,merciful, and lovely,why? Because ego was hurt, which communities i leaving its a my own community identity.but when i bourn, i can’t understand whose my community? And whose my relegion? I am totally egoless, childs are together playing,eating,working because no ego hurts, but adultary i think what is relegion of thats man ,why appears the relegion between two peaceful mans? Only egos are coming. Only time is in hands of man present but dont talks any relegion of mans present time why? The relegion are understnds only two time future and past. He did not saying present life how are they working.All relegions importance are only god,allah but why he did not get importance of man? Whose revelation of Quran,bible?answer a man, Whose hands of revelations answer a man. But quran and bible only praise of allah,god why? He did not leaving here, he did not see here, and after death who see there? Only imagine….. Imagine…..Minds are machine of imagination,anybody can imagine,god,allah be also imaginary facts of man. Which mans imaginary power are strong he get the vision of allah and god.

Dipankar April 22, 2011 At 3:53 pm

Top secretes are open:- Hindu can not understands its own god? Because gods never understand mans with his body,mind, he knows only meditations,he get absent .But muslims can’t understand it. And dare to talk only help of few words of books.get only timepass .but allah illusion of mind because arabs only belief miracles, mohammad get through hands of arabs allah’s miracle, and he safelly gone,because only one miracle in this whole world that is LIFE.

queue May 8, 2011 At 4:43 pm

IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT AISHA WAS NOT

9 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE MARRIED THE PROPHET BUT THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM KNOW THIS BUT THEY CONTINUE TO
SLANDER OUR PROPHET!
THIS ANSWER HAS BEEN GIVEN TO
ENEMIES OF ISLAM YEARS AGO, BUT THEY
CONTINUE TO SLANDER A GREAT
PROPHET

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16141277/Did-Prophet-Muhammad-really-marry-a-9-year-old-This-is-a-lie-spread-about-Our-Beloved-Prophet

- Raja May 8, 2011 At 5:33 pm
  
  Dear queue. You are right. The Imams and Mullahs are the enemies of Islam who preach that Muhammad had sex with AIsha when she was 9 year old. Please check the following:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13gtjjDEgE
  
- Vajra May 8, 2011 At 5:34 pm
  
  Namaste queue
  
  You rightly said that it is proven and unambiguous that Aisha was not 9 years old when Muhammad married her. Sahih Bukhari clearly mentions that Aisha was SIX not NINE at the time of her marriage 😉
  
  Sahih Bukhari 7.62.64:
  
  “Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was SIX years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).”
  
  I agree completely with you that enemies of Islam are liars. After all marrying a baby of six is more ethical (as per Islam) than marrying a girl of nine 🙂
  
- Raja May 8, 2011 At 5:50 pm
  
  Another Anti – Islam Sunni Muslim preaching that Aisha was 6 years old when married to our beloved Prophet.
  
  Please check: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=4604&CATE=1
  
  Thus all those Muslim Mullahs and Imams who believe that Muhammad married a baby are frauds. They are enemies of Islam. All those Hadiths of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim that call Muhammad a child molester are fake and all Muslims who publish these Hadiths should be charged with apostasy and insulting the great Prophet.
  
  Agniveer is true Prophet of Islam who says that all those verses of Quran and Hadiths that insult Muhammad are fake.
  
  I am sure that Agniveer is resurrection of Jesus Christ and has come back to take us to Heaven. We should all follow him blindly if we seek heaven. Only non-believers on whose hearts Allah has put seal will refuse to believe him.
  
  These fools wanted to kill Jesus and then banished Muhammad from Mecca. Now they are refusing to surrender to Prophet Agniveer aka Jesus Christ who has come with divine message of real Quran.
  
  But Allah is merciful and most forgiving. Look how the Prophet Agniveer refuses to abuse even those who abuse him. As predicted by Islam, Jesus Christ will not come with a new prophecy but establish the same old prophecy. Agniveer is true Prophet of Islam who has come to take us to Heaven.
  
  la ilaha illallah agniveer rasulullah
  
adolf May 8, 2011 At 5:23 pm

@queue,
Come up with some form of justification for muhammad marrying his step sons wife. I have never heard of such a lust full person who went against his rules of not marrying more than 4, by the way can you also justify the verses for not allowing his wives to remarry when he died (hypocracy can be renamed to muhammad)

raj.hyd May 9, 2011 At 7:21 pm

kya aaj se karib 10 – 15 sal pahale”””minral vatar”koi pani pita tha ? aj log pani ko minaral vatar pine ki ichha rakhte hai kyoki vah samany pani se jyada shuddh hai , itna mahanga pani bhi pite hai ! fir bhi karib 80 % se jyada log paani bagair minral vatr hi pite hai ! yani pani ki janch ki gai vah kam achha paya gay SAMAJHDAR VYAKTI SAMARTHYVAN VYAKTI MINRAL VATAR PineLAGE VAISE HI AJ SABHI KO CHAHIYE ki “dharm” ki bhi janch kar leven ! usme bhi kafi ashuddhiyan mil jayengi ! kuran me khuda ji kahate hai v svikar karte hai ki mere “do hath” hai , fir khuda ji nirakar kahan rahe jiske do hath ho usko khuda kyo mana jaye kaha jata hai ki khuda ji ne muhammad ji ko farishto ke madhyam se kuran ki ayte bheji yah bhi kaha jata hai ki khuda ji ne sari kaynat bhi banai 1 jab khuda ji kaynat banate hai joki bahut bada kaam tha usme to vah kisi farishte ki madad bhi nahi lete lekin jab muhammad ji ko kuran ki ayte bhejte hai tab vah dairect na bhej karke kisi farishte ki madad lene ke liye majbur ho jate hai akhir aisa kyo ?? isliye khuda ji ke karmo ki jab janch ki jaye ,kuran i janch ki jaye muhammad ji ki janch ki jaye tab aap sabhi log payenge ki! katht islam dharm me kafi “bhram” bhi shamil hai 1 isliye tatkal islam ko chodne me hi samjhdari hai !

- truth seeker May 10, 2011 At 11:43 am
  
  @Raj.hyd
  
  Bahut Sundar Tark hai appke. Ham aapse bilkul Sahamt hai. Iss Kuran ke Khuda ka kuchh pata nahi yah aapna dimag badalata rahata, kabhi kuch kahata hai to kabhi kuchh. Bar-Bar aapna paigam badalata rahata hai aur logo ka murkh banata hai.
  
  - raj.hyd. May 11, 2011 At 2:37 pm
    
    manniy truth seekar ji ke nam se likhne vale bhai sahab ji , apko hamare tark pasand aye uske liye kotish: dhanyvad hamne to apne muslim bandhuo ke liye vishesh rup se likha tha lekin kisi muslim ne hamari bat ka uttar dena uchit nahi samjha 1 durbhagy vash har manushy apni buddhi ko sarvottam manta hai lekin padhe likhe hone ke bavjud kuritiyo, andh vishvaso, v katht dharm ke mamle me koi janch karna pasand nahi karta v us par chala bhi karta hai ! yahi sabs bada manush ka durbhagy hai 1isme kayakalp ki jarurat hai !
  - truth seeker May 14, 2011 At 6:10 pm
    
    @Namaste Raj. hyd
    
    Bhaiya hamare muslim bhai khud sabse jayada andh-viswaso ko mante hai. Ye khud kaba pathar ki building ke samne sir jhukate hai, iske charo aur gol chakkar lagate, kaba ke ander rakhe kale pathar ko chumate hai. Ye khud sabse jayada buto ko manne wale hai aur dusro ko buto ko na poojne ki shiksha dete hai, ye khud iss tarah sakar ishwar ko mante parantu kahate hai ishwar nirakar hai. Jabki allah ke to hath bhi hai aur wo satve asman par bhi baithata jisse milne mohamad ji gadhe par baithkar satve asman par bhi gaye the.
  - raj.hyd. May 14, 2011 At 6:27 pm
    
    MANNIY TRUTH SEEKAR KE NAM SE LIKHNE VALE BHAI SAHAB JI , SABSE BADHE DURBHAGY KI BAT YAHI HAI KI padhe likhe hote huye bhi kathit dharm ke nam par kuritiya, andh vishvas, manne me koi taklf nahi hoti vah chahe hindu kahalane vale ho yah islam panthi ! is samay to arya samaj ko to jordar abhiyan chalana chahiye ki har samrdayme jo kuritiya v andh vishvas hai unka bahut jyada pol khole ! tabhi sabhi samaj me kuch jagariti aa sakegi lekin aaj to arya samaj svaym so raha hai fir kaun jagaye sabse bada dosh bhi apne ko samajhdar kahalane vale arysamajiyon ka hai ! jis din aysamaj jaag jyega us din se anek samudayo me bhi JAN JAGARITI AA JAYEGI !
Apolloreach May 9, 2011 At 11:10 pm

@ Slave Of Allah: My personal opinion about science in religious scriptures is that one can look for clues about science in a religious scripture but the exercise that some Muslims indulge in,by using Dr.Moore and Dr.Bucaille is pathetic. Some of you guys are trying to drive a round peg into a square hole. Scriptures have a definite end point, the last verse. But science is ever evolving. Having said that you have exposed your lack of knowledge of both Vedas and astronomy.

1) RiG Veda 7.55.7: This verse contains no direct reference to the sun, as you claim. But still if the bull in the verse does point to the Sun, it is only stating a universally stated cliche of sun rising from the ocean/ water body. And second part of the verse,merely states the obvious about people falling asleep, once sun sets and night arrives. So what is unscientific about the verse stating the obvious?
2) Atharvana Veda 6.5.1 DOESNOT talk about Sun (you said this verse repeats something) but it talks explicitly about Agni and its role. If you want to understand Agni, ask your friend on islamhinduism website.
3) Atharvana Veda 7.81.1 talks about new moon. The verses following it talk about the new and full moon alternating each other in a set span of days. What is unscientifc here? Arranging seasons pertains to obvious waxing and waning moon, tides being more etc etc.
4) Atharvana Veda 13.2.11: What do you mean by same is mentioned here? This verse talks about the radiance and the illumination of the Sun. What is unscientific here?

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Rushmore May 11, 2011 At 3:52 pm

Arabisation of Indian Muslims – And its ill Effects:
By R. Upadhyay

To day the restive Muslim youths of Arab world are aggressively clamouring for democracy and protesting against their despotic rulers who with a strategy to remain in power have never allowed them any freedom to think beyond mosque, madrasa and the Haj. Contrary to it, the Indian Muslims or the descendents of native converts instead of enjoying their freedom in a secular and democratic environment are marching in with step with their mental subservience to Arabian Indians.

From the time of loss of their political domination in the sub-continent, the Arab Indians had launched a movement for Arabisation of native converts in the name of Islamic revivalism. Their sole objective appeared to be to use them as their unpaid soldiers to fight for their self seeking interest of sharing political power in the changed political system in the region. The uneducated Indian Muslims who had not lost their pre-Islamic consciousness failed to understand the clever design of their co-religionists, fell in their trap of Arabisation by sharing Arab customs and traditions which have nothing to do with the spiritual aspects of Islam. Under the process of Arabisation which is still continuing, they are irretrievably losing their emotional bondage with pre-Islamic sense of belonging to the cultural consciousness of this land which has been the inner strength of Indian society for hundreds of years

This uninterrupted movement which began since mid eighteenth century was basically to regain the political domination of Arabian Indians. It was practically a ploy to subvert the Indian Muslims’ emotional loyalty towards their indigenous traditions and customs they have lived with for generations, replace them with the cultural traditions and customs of Arabs and thereby push for a homogenous Islamic identity based on the civilisational consciousness of Arabs. Apart from the loyalty to family they also preached for a greater loyalty to pure Islam which they interpreted as imitation of the socio-religious conduct of Arabs.

Despite the absence of any Quranic sanction of Arab superiority over non-Arab Muslims, the Arabian Indians while launching the movement for Islamic revivalism linked Islam with Arab culture and traditions and thereby campaigned for Arabisation of Indian Muslims. They also included the imitation of dress code of early Arabs and many traits of the personal life of Prophet Mohammad as a mandatory requirement for a Muslim. Mawlana Iliyas, the pioneer of Tabligh Jamaat, an offshoot of Deoband Movement was so obsessed with the puritan Arab tradition of Islam that when a much praised Muslim youth who had completed his study of the Quran, but was clean- shaven, was presented before him during his travel, he was distressed to see the absence of Islam on his outward appearance (The Faith Movement of Mawlana Ilyas by Anwarul Haq page, 108-09).

Such imposition of dress code on Indian Muslims was nothing Quranic but a part of the movement for Arabisation of Indian Muslims. Similarly, if one looks to the institutional song and flag of Aligarh Muslim University there is hardly anything which is rooted to Indian tradition and culture. The university Tarana(song) does not contain a single word in praise of India but it glorifies such things as the evening of Egypt and the mornings of Shiraj. The university flag has greater resemblance with the flags of Muslim countries, with moon and palm tree stamped on it, than with that of India (Aligarh Muslim University and Muslim Politics by Dr. S.S.Gupta, 1992, page79).

Contrary to the laws of classical sociology and ethnology which demand even the native converts to remain an integral part of their civilisational roots, the Arabian Indians took the role of guardians of Indian Muslims and pushed them for a cultural consciousness of Arab world by interpreting Islam in Arab matrix of culture and tradition. They not only guided the native converts to consult them for giving name to their children in Arabic and Persian words but also for adopting the manner, etiquette, social behaviour and customs of the people living thousands of kilometres away from them. Although, their forefathers adopted Islam centuries ago their gradual transformation to a new socio-anthropological mould which was amazingly a mental subjugation to Arabian Indians, their innocent and harmonious physical features were blurred with imitation of beard style and dress to such an extent that they created a confusion of being aliens in their own land. The Islamic revival movements were thus not only a source for potential tension and conflict but also one of the causes of the resurgence of fundamentalism.

Before the end of Muslim rule there was hardly any visible difference between the Muslim neighbours and others as they were wearing similar dress, speaking same language’ visiting the shrines of Sufi saints together and so on. Although the only bond of Indian Muslims with Arab was Mecca where Islam was revealed to an Arab in Arabic language, with the movement for Arabisation, there was a massive shift in their self-identification with Arabs. Growing trend of keeping beard, wearing skull caps and Kurta –Pyjama by men and Hijab by women, using Arabic-enriched local language in conversation, preference to seek employment in Middle-East countries, and opposing Indian tradition and customs were the results of Arabisation. One can go further and state without doubt say that the growing resurgence of fundamentalism is the direct influence of Arabisation which in turn is an extension of Wahabism born in the middle of eighteenth century in Arabia.

Even some non-Muslim political leaders with a view to appease the Indian Muslims tried to show their solidarity by wearing their Arab dress on special occations . Shibu Soren former Chief Minister of Jharkhand appeared in the dress of an Arab to attend the party hosted by the Governor Sibte Razvi in 2010 . He looked more like a comic character in a B grade Bollywood movie!

It is an irony that Indian Muslims do not understand that in spite of accepting Arabised identity, they are still treated as Azlafs (low category of Muslims) by Arabs and Arabian Indians Arabs who claim themselves Ashrafs (Noble Muslims). They are living under colonial psyche by sending their children to Arab sponsored low level education in madrasa. Instead of taking lessons from the plight of the people of Arab world, they look towards them as a part of one nation community that is Ummah and feel proud in sending their children to serve them mostly even in low category jobs.

Historically, the ideological foundation for Arabisation of Indian Muslims was laid by an Arabian Indian Shah Waliullah a reputed Ulema in the second half of eighteenth century AD when the Muslim ruling class felt the awful fire of the first challenge to their over five hundred years of rule in the sub-continent following the loss of Bengal in the battle of Plassey in 1757 AD to the East India Company and the rise of Marathas and Jats in the regions contiguous to Delhi, the centre of Muslim Empire. Sensing this humiliation of Muslim power as a danger signal to Islam, he invited Shah Abdali, the ruler of Afghanistan to save the Muslims from the Hindus and also devised a strategy for Arabisation of native converts and their transformation into Islamist soldiers for launching Jihad against the Qafirs (Infidels). His interpretation of Islam was based on the thesis of Arabian Indians’ supremacy not only over the Hindus but also over the Azlaf Muslims (low category of Muslims) by the Muslims of Arab origin.

Exactly after a century when the Islamic power of Arabian Indians in the sub-continent took its last breath in 1857, his disciples and supporters having Arab ancestry put his ideology in operation by launching Islamic revival movements known as Deoband Movement and Aligarh Movement which were meant to gradually inspire the native Muslims to forget their pre-Islamic traditions and customs of generation after generation.

In their analysis of the collapse of Islamic empire the Arabian clerics felt that only Arabisation of the native converts can only transform their loyalty to the Arab land. Accordingly, they institutionalized the movement for recruitment of Islamic warriors for the restoration of Arabian imperialistic power in the sub- continent.

Aligarh did not initially have a common methodology of Islamic revival movement with that of Deoband . While Deoband Movement was for the restoration of Islamic power, the Aligarh Movement was for Islamic modernism without any dilution of Islamic fundamentalism. Modernity requires separation of religion and politics but Islamic modernism of Aligarh movement was a modified version of Islamic fundamentalism. Since the prominent leaders of both the movements had Arab ancestry, they were always alert to ensure that the vested interests of Arabian interests were safe guarded.

The Moplahs in the coastal regions of Kerala who were mostly descendants of Arabian fathers and native mothers took advantage of Khilafat movement and revolted against the Hindu landlords who never objected to the settlement of the alien Arabs in their land for their livelihood. The history of the violent Moplah movement is not known to many and the only detailed account written by the then chief of the Malabar Special Police is yet to be placed in public domain.

The Arabian Indians’ carefully woven strategy was so powerful that it entrapped hundreds of Indian Muslim intellectuals particularly Allama Iqbal ( His grand father Sahaj Ram Sapru, a Kashmiri Hindu was converted to Islam and took the Islamic name Mohammad Rafiq) and Mohammad Ali Jinnah ( His grand father, Poonja Gokuldas Meghji was a Hindu Rajput from Gujarat who was converted to Islam) who were responsible for not only the geographical partition of the sub-continent but also paved the way for the mental partition of India on communal lines. So long as Allama Iqbal remained connected with his indigenous cultural consciousness he proved his commitment to Indian nationalism by composing a poem ‘Sare Jahan se Achha Hindostan Hamara’ but once he was entrapped in the web of Arabisation, he lost his inner strength and became the ideological father of Pakistan. Similarly, Mohammad Ali Jinnah was known as ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity because of deep rooted Indianness in him but once he was overpowered by the alluring bait of Arabian Indians which was to fulfill his egoistic ambition, he gave a call for ‘Direct Action’ in 1946.

Ironically, the division did not end even after partition of the sub-continent. All the Arabian Indian leaders who stayed back in India overnight became ‘nationalist Muslims’ and Indian National Congress accommodated them in party and the government suitably. Gradually, a sizeable number of neo-Arabian Indians jointly produced by Aligarh and Deoband also with the support of Arab money particularly after 1970s when there was a boom in the price of oil took over the command of carrying forward the legacy of Arabising Indian Muslims. Whether it was Shabano case or Babri mosque-Ram Janmabhoomi dispute these neo-Arabian Indians took the lead in mobilizing the Indian Muslim masses for their own interests..

When Will the Indian Muslim masses wake up from the slumber of Arabisation and deliver themselves from Arab Indians ? Will the events we see in the Arab World have any effect on them them? We will have to wait and see.

krishna arya May 14, 2011 At 5:15 pm

no muslim is daring enough to put his views on this article????

it is worth pity and shameful for those people who claim their religion to be true??

poore internet pe bakwas karte phirte ho yhan likhne ko kisi ko kuch kyo nahi soojh raha??

Satyen May 21, 2011 At 9:16 am

Please see the following link if you have missed it. It shows how Islamic indoctrination can turn you into a barbaric beast.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/turned-over-to-kin-after-elopement-baghpat-women-killed-by-mothers/790613/

Om Shanti

Rj3865 May 25, 2011 At 2:32 pm

DEAR BROTHERS Following ISLAM plz answer ,

4[75] And what reason do you have not to fight in the cause of Allah, to rescue the helpless
oppressed old men, women, and children who are crying: “Our Lord! Deliver us from
this town whose people are oppressors; send us a protector by Your grace and send
us a helper from Your presence?”

These verses again cleary states that Allah is not a god but a imagination of prophet becoz if ALLAH was god how he denied to rescue the helpless
oppressed old men, women, and children who are crying: “Our Lord! Deliver us from
this town whose people are oppressors; send us a protector by Your grace and send
us a helper from Your presence?”
a god can’t ever discriminate among old nd new , male or female etc , but he’ll be same for alll…….

Saidul Azim June 16, 2011 At 9:27 pm

I am a teacher in a Islami madrashah where boys and girls read togeter. besides this, i am a pesh imam, In this circumstences, have any contradiction in islami mind. please give me solution.

- KalBhairav June 16, 2011 At 10:57 pm
  
  @Saidul Azim Sir:
  
  On a separate note, I have immense respect for anyone who is in the teaching profession. To teach and mould and be a force of positive change in this world is a great responsibility and a noble act. Congratulations.
  
  I couldnt completely understand your question. Could you make your message more clear? That way I will know if I am in a position to help you.
  
  Best.
  
  - Vajra June 16, 2011 At 11:04 pm
    
    Brother KalBhairav
    
    I think Saidul Sir has landed here by mistake under the influence of oxymoronic title of this page 🙁
  - KalBhairav June 16, 2011 At 11:43 pm
    
    @Vajra:
    
    Possible…but still…I am hoping the OP was serious. I tried “Islam means Peace” in google and this article turned up. So, I am curious how the OP landed here and what his intentions were…
Gnair August 21, 2011 At 3:26 pm

this is in ref. to Mr. Peace quote

“Kindly do fast for 1 month without food & water.
And yeah kindly do not argue it is shifting of time. Because people who do fast
do not sleep in day, so theory fails.”

the purpose of fasting is sacred. its similarly followed in other religions to purify body and intoxicate the system.

check out how many actually do that fasting properly. its not 1 month without food and water as many try to show them doing fasting as very tough blah blah.

morning 4 am before sunrise. eat like pig filling the stomach. then at 2 pm. run back home taking half day from offices .. sleep to get away with other time. then after the break of fast with namaz.. again from 6 pm to morning 10 pm its just again eating, sheesha driving around.. and back again 4 am. its more like a kings feast what many have infront of them from 6 pm to morning 4 am.

what they actually do is missing 1 time food. thats afternoon but compensating everyting at night.

i am referring to what i am observing in arab community out of india. and even pleased to see one of the imam recently requested people dont do this in a leading news paper in gulf

Truth Seeker August 21, 2011 At 5:22 pm

@All Peace Follower of Islam

Why does not Jakir Naik teach lesson of peace in Pakistan, Afganistan, Irak, Seria. I think he must have concentrate in these already Shariya law establish countries instead of wasting time in India.
“”Osama vengeance: Al Qaeda vows 100 attacks in Iraq”
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/osama-vengeance-al-qaeda-vows-100-attacks-in-iraq-127969

KalBhairav August 24, 2011 At 1:15 pm

A good set of questions for Muslims from ex-Muslims at the CEMB. The questions are not that different from what we point out to Muslims on this forum 😉

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApURzv8fCFY

KalBhairav September 5, 2011 At 1:25 pm

@bharat:

I have not seen your previous post.

Can any please tell me which is the book from your point of view is not corrupted excluding vedas?

Although you have addressed your questions to Agniveer, maybe I can provide some inputs.

First off the bat I must admit that I suspect you are practising Taqqiya. Forgive me if that is not the case. We have so many anonymous people posting here and in the recent days I have suspected some folks of engaging in just this. If not, do forgive me for casting this aspersion on you.

Secondly, I find the whole notion of “Bible/Vedas/Guru Granth Texts being corrupted, the Quran is not corrupted so Quran wins” childish if I may say so. If non-corruption is the sole means of deciding whether a religion is true or not, I am fairly sure that someone can come up with a new “holy book” today and with the technology available, it could be preserved without any change for the next 100000000 years. Oh wait…Ron Hubbard already did that. So, why dont we all convert to this newest religion propagated by the Church of Scientology? I hope you get my point. Also, I doubt if the Quran is uncorrupted. I am not an expert here but I believe the Sanaa manuscripts reveal some previously unknown Quranic records. I have not educated myself in this case because I feel it is irrelevant. (This corruption vs uncorruption issue is a foolish/weak argument used by Muslims and hence my doubt about your Taqqiya.)

What should matter is HOW we interpret the texts that are extant today.

Coming to your specific questions, it depends on WHICH type of Hindu you speak to. Different branches of Hinduism believe in their own sacred documents be it Puranas or Itihasas, etc. I dont know if the BG has been corrupted or not. It wouldnt matter, as I said earlier, because what matters is the CONTENT and INTERPRETATION of extant verses.

The purpose of a philosophical school of thought is whether it ANSWERS all questions. Even if 6 Billion people converted tomorrow to Hinduism, it would…

- KalBhairav September 5, 2011 At 1:26 pm
  
  @bharat:
  
  (continued)
  
  The purpose of a philosophical school of thought is whether it ANSWERS all questions. Even if 6 Billion people converted tomorrow to Hinduism, it would hardly give me any personal internal peace of mind if Hinduism didnt answer various questions. At present, Hinduism, [Vedanta + BG] answer ALL my questions – the purpose of creation, the means of Moksha, the material cause, the efficient cause of the universe, the problem of evil, etc. etc. Abrahamic religions draw a big 0 on all these scores. They simply say it is a test and Allah created something out of nothing. If Muslims are satisfied with it, ok, what am I to do? I find the answers provided by Islam/Xity insufficient. No amount of Dawah is probably going to convince me otherwise.
  
  If you are TRULY a Hindu, then I would simply suggest that there are different interpretations of various texts. If they answer your questions, you should be a happy, peaceful and content person. 🙂
  
  - bharat September 5, 2011 At 1:56 pm
    
    Dearest Kalbhairav,
    
    I m really very thank full from your prompt reply.
    
    From past few years i have been trying to gain knowledge about the Hinduism and read several the books like geeta, Shreemad Bhagwat and shastra namavali of Vishnua, Shankar etc……….
    
    Let me introduce my self basically i m a mechnical engineer and working in mumbai with one of the well know firm.
    
    In actual i m interested in reading the vedas and to gain the truth knowledge. By reading various discussion on this website the conclusion is the vedas is the only book which are not corrupted and now even i completely agree on this point.
    
    You can say my specific question is
    
    IS GEETA is corrupted or not? means what ever is written in GETA is truth??????????
    So the conclusion from my view apart from vedas GETA is the book which is says 100% truth as well as it is available in short guide book to all the human being.
    
    As well as if possible can u please guide me an institute near by in mumbai form where i can learn sanskrit and vedas
  - KalBhairav September 5, 2011 At 2:06 pm
    
    @bharat:
    
    Hi Bharat…I appreciate your taking time. Do NOT worry whether a book is corrupt or not. The issue is WHETHER THE ANSWERS IT PROVIDES SATISFY YOUR SOUL. Remember, whether Agniveer or I say the Gita is corrupted or not corrupted will NOT satisfy your soul. Only YOU can satisfy it yourself. Keep asking questions and see whether a text answers such questions. 🙂
    
    I have found BG a beautiful manuscript. You may or you may not. I cannot say. But it DOES answer my various questions. After the BG, I would suggest you study and contemplate on the Brahmasutras. Take care to read the BG and Brahmasutras by the same Acharya.
    
    I dont know of any institute where one can learn Sanskrit/Vedas. Sorry. Someone else may be able to help you.
  - Agniveer September 5, 2011 At 4:04 pm
    
    To add to what Kalbhairav said, Gita is indeed an amazing text. It was a favorite of Swami Dayanand. The Gita-Brahmasutra-Ishopanishad make a powerful spiritual package. But keep following cautions:
    1. Unlike blind believers, analyze everything objectively. You are not forced to accept everything. Instead try to arouse the knowledge within. Feel free to agree, disagree and be neutral on various points. This is NOT blasphemy.
    2. Make sure you are putting great efforts in life. Only the laborious can understand spiritualism. Because these texts emphasize so much on Vairagya – detachment, often people misinterpret and run away from life even though they have not even entered it! Lazy minds find convenient escapes in such texts to excuse themselves from their duties. Always remember that the goal of Gita was to inspire Arjune into warfare.
    3. To initiate in Vedas, you can download Satyarth Prakash and Introduction to Vedas (Hindi) by Swami Dayanand. That would lay a reasonable foundation.
    
    I personally would recommend honing the analytical and intuitive muscles of mind before jumping into language aspects. Or else there is risk of becoming dogmatic. So first read and start analyzing translated verses. Get a book that translates word by word. Spend some time this way and then future path would be clearer. Try to approach spiritualism as an engineer cum manager. Instead of trying to do all the work yourself, leverage from works of scholars and experts in different fields and develop your own understanding. As you progress, you can gradually gain more and more mastery.
  - shravak September 5, 2011 At 3:09 pm
    
    @Bharat
    
    On Sanskrit: Please refer the lessons on Sanskrit provided by this website.
    
    Here is the link: http://agniveer.com/category/sanskrit-2/
vishal September 5, 2011 At 4:30 pm

@Agniveer
Im always waiting for ur comments as u are the site owner and also infulence many people.
I want to say that u only recommend to read only vedas then about puranas and upnishads . U have recommended Bhagwat Gita(songs of god) what about Bhagwata purana(about god).
U can’t neglect them. The puranas , upnishadas and the vedas all are return by same aurthor Vyasdev. He wrote bhagwat puran at last as the conclusion of all the vedas, upnishadas, and puranas so it is a conclusion of what vedas say. So i think u should ALSO recommend bhagwat puran reading.
Waiting for Agniveer’s comment.

- KalBhairav September 5, 2011 At 4:41 pm
  
  @vishal:
  
  The puranas , upnishadas and the vedas all are return by same aurthor Vyasdev
  
  You are wrong here. The Upanishad predate Buddhism. The Vedas are authorless. Brahmasutras come AFTER Buddhism. So, this makes your position untenable.
  
- Agniveer September 5, 2011 At 4:44 pm
  
  @vishal
  
  It is impossible for us to follow all discussions and comment due to sheer magnitude of work we have at hand. However we encourage free discussions among visitors. We recommend texts based not on names or third-party recommendations or name of author but only after due analysis and thorough review.
  
  Our view is that Vedas are the highest level of spiritual cum mundane dose one can obtain. Bhagvat Geeta is very inspiring though not everything written in Geeta and as translated by major authors can be accepted at face value. We are yet to find a version of Bhagvat Puran that can be recommended as authoritative texts. Researchers can approach this book for historical purpose. But for spiritual purpose, I am afraid that Bhagvat Puran does not come as an authoritative text. Also despite popular claims, we have found non evidence that Veda Vyas had anything to do with Bhagvat Puran or any Puran for that matter. Upanishads have been authored by various Rishis many of them unknown today. The ten major Upanishads are wonderful texts for subtle minds. But the purans sharply contradict Vedas and contain casteism, gender discrimination, superstitions and even insult to great legends like Sri Krishna, Rama, Brahma and Sri Rama. You are advised to obtain original unabridged versions of these texts and check for yourself. Our deepest research has yielded that Vedas are ultimate texts. Next come 6 Darshans. Then Upanishads. Then Geeta. Apart from Vedas, rest have to analyzed cautiously and not to be taken blindly in any case. However Purans do not qualify our standards of recommendations.
  
  Till we are personally satisfied with quality of any text, our code of conduct does not allow us to recommend to anyone else. This is the foremost Vedic principle for any Arya – do to others what you would keenly do to yourself.
  
  We hope you would understand our constraints.
  
  Dhanyavad
  Admin
  
vishal September 5, 2011 At 5:28 pm

@Agniveer/Kalbhairav

Can some body give me the proof that Bhagwat puran was not return by Vyas dev.

- Agniveer September 5, 2011 At 6:08 pm
  
  Can somebody give authoritative proof that it was indeed written by Veda Vyas? Dear Vishal, we would like you to explore this yourself. As we have mentioned, our goal is not to provide answers but to help you ask the right questions. We share our viewpoint but want everyone to freely explore and discover their own paths, even if they differ with us. However all was desist from is to accept something on face value without due analysis.
  
  Dhanyavad
  
- Truth Seeker September 5, 2011 At 6:52 pm
  
  @vishal
  I give you proof, Bhagawat Puran says Vishnu in disguise of King Jalandhar had gone to Jalandhar’s wife Varnda and tried to do sex with her. Further it provide Moksh just by listening the Bhagawat puran in 7days. Further it says Jalandhar was powerful enough that lord Shiva (Almighty) getting defeat from him consistently in war. Story is gone on.
  there are enough proofs, puran are just imaginary scriptures written by Brahmans to fool the people & earn their livelihood. . All Puran are against Veda philosophy.
  
vishal September 5, 2011 At 7:21 pm

@truth seeker
don’t just say directly anything….give verses with their meaning of every word along with the purpot by bonafide guru . And also the verse no. from which u are quoting. Because bhagwat puran is a very large purna having 12 cantos.
This is not the way to speak on any scriptures.

- Agniveer September 5, 2011 At 8:28 pm
  
  @vishal
  
  Kindly continue this discussion on the Agniveer Discussion Forum whose link is provided on top of every page. Please do not deviate from theme of the current article. In any case, instead of asking truthseeker, perhaps you can yourself read the complete puran in detail and draw your own conclusions. You can get Purans from any large bookseller or publisher like Chaukhambha or Dehati Pustak or Motilal Banarasidas. Ask for unabridged version.
  
  Dhanyavad
  Admin
  
Rahul Bhadoriya January 11, 2012 At 7:04 pm

Namaste Agniveer & all Veer Hindus,

I am studying Islam and Vedas since a decade and has came to the conclusion that indeed Quran contains the Vedic teachings and presents it in a more standard and subtle form. Afterall Muhammad is a tonne year senior than Dayanand!

Here people are speaking bad of the Islamic concept of God and Prophet and vis-s-vis referring Allah as the God in Vedas (see Agniveer’s facebook page also) that is but only their kid’s approach of mental gratification. I am sure your these dichotomous approach will win nothing but hatred against you only. Yet I am sure you people are not having a missionary zeal but you are there only to count the convert’s figure so to report your NRI fund-givers/donors (so that you may exploit the name of your poor barren million years old dharma for your evil ends). I found you as fearful of Zakir Naik for whom I must tell you that he is stale now, better to check for Zaid Hamid. He is a one over your millions Pandits if you are bothering of the growing Muslim intelligentsia all over.

And yes, last but not the least, this Rajput Hindu has proudly accepted your ‘brutal Islam’ (as you illiterates used to refer). Afterall, it is the best religion I found who teaches to be ever ready to die for the truth and not to merely shouting a cowardice at the bank like you Hippocrates.
May the zeal of ALLAH be with you.
ALLAH hu Akabr.
Wassalam,
Rahil (Rahul) Bhadoria

- Vikram Adithya January 11, 2012 At 7:47 pm
  
  May be you should have asked about Islam and its truth with your grand grand mother, as your are saying Rajput, she or her ancestors have nice experience of Allat mercy…
  
  - VEDIC GOD IS GREAT January 11, 2012 At 7:55 pm
    
    Truth of Islam.
    
    http://agniveer.com/6292/noor-e-haq-satyarth-prakash-in-urdu/#comment-69465
    
    Think before you comment Islam is good religion. Why I am saying this is that 89% terrorists are Muslims. The main activists behind 76% bomb blasts in the world are followers of Quran. Supporting Islam means supporting terrorism.
shravak January 13, 2012 At 11:13 am

Muslims defy fatwa, perform Surya Namaskar

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Bhopal/Muslims-defy-fatwa-participate-in-mass-Surya-Namaskar/Article1-796097.aspx

- Slim Shaikh January 13, 2012 At 12:47 pm
  
  @shravak
  They are kaffirs who are doing Surya Namaskar not Muslim. Allah will punish them severally for wrong doing. Such gullible people are fools not Muslim
  
Ravinder Nath Watts May 16, 2012 At 1:18 pm

EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO SPEAK. MOHAMMAD SPOKE WHATEVER HE THOUGHT. JESUS WAS COMPASSIONATE SO HE TALKED OF SIN TO BE ELIMINATED FROM THE SOCIETY. MODERN SCIENCE IS DOING ITS BEST TO PROVIDE COMFORT, CONVENIENCE, EASE ,HEALTH, SHELTER, HAPPINESS, AND ABOVE ALL PUTTING THE KNOWLEDGE STORED IN THE OLDEST OF THE OLDEST BOOKS AND AS A CONTINITY OF RESEARCH FOR THE BENEFIT OF HUMANITY WITHOUT THE HELP OF RELIGIONS , BELIEFS, FAITHS WHICH GIVE A PROMISE ONLY THAT YOU GET AFTER DEATH. BUT SCIENCE PROVIDES WHAT YOU NEED WHILE LIVING. PERSONS WHO ARE CRAZY LUNATICS OR GOOD FOR NOTHING FOR THE SOCIETY ARE JUST TO SATISFY THEIR EGO START FINDING OUT SOME SIGNS IN BOOKS AND START HIGHLIGTING THEM CREATING CHAOS, ILLUSION, WHICH ARE OF NO USE TO A COMMON MAN NEITHER TODAY NOR IN FUTURE. THE PROGRESS MADE BY MAN HAS COME BY THE THINKING WITH OPEN MIND AND NOT CONFINING TO A MERE BOOK. RELIGION HAD ALL THE TIME BEEN A CAUSE OF CONFLICT IN THE WEST AND HAD PRODUCED TYRRANTS, TERRORISTS AND LUNATICS-GOOD FOR NOTHING FELLOWS. THE ANCIENT SCHOLARS WHO WERE GREAT THINKERS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE HUMANITY WERE KNOWN AS SAGES, SAINTS, SEERS THEIR NUMBER IS LARGE LIKE, CHARAK, SUSHRUT, AND ARYABHATT . PANDIT VATS CALIFORNIA.

Ravinder Nath Watts May 16, 2012 At 1:26 pm

SEND DOCTOR ZAKIR NAIK TO BAREILLY WHICH IS FAMOUS FOR ITS PAGALKHANA AND KUTUBKHANA, THAT APPEARS TO BE A PLACE FOR THIS LUINNATIC WHO IS TWISTING ALL THE AYATS OF A BOOK OF FEA TO DISTURB PEACE OF BARELVIS WHO ARE AGAINST THE DEOBANDIS. HIS FREE MOVEMENT IS WORST THAN A RABID DOG.

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