- Zakir Naik claims Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)
- Zakir Naik claims Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Bhavishya Puran (Part 2)
- Zakir Naik claims Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Vedas (Part 3)
- Zakir Naik’s Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments)
- Zakir Naik’s ‘Concept of God in Hinduism’
- Zakir Naik claims Polygamy in Hinduism
- Zakir Naik’s FAQ on Hinduism
Dr Naik provides a very detailed analysis of verses of Bhavishya Puran along with references. The only mistake he made was that he presented a completely opposite picture of Prophet Muhammad compared to what Bhavishya Puran actually writes. (Refer http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201&Itemid=131)
http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com/ provides an excellent analysis of the relevant portions of Bhavishya Puran with scans of original texts and dictionary meanings of the key words.
In summary, the actual meaning of the verses is as follows:
“Shri Suta Goswami said that a demon called Tripurasur who was earlier burnt to ashes by Shiva has taken birth again in form of Mahamada (Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of an evil ghost. The ghost was rebuked by Kalidas as “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…”
Further, the ghost called Mahamada comes in dream of King Bhoja and says,
“O king, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion by the order of the Lord . The symptoms of my followers will be that they first of all will cut their genitals, have no shikha, but having beard, be wicked, make noise loudly and eat everything. They should eat animals without performing any rituals. This is my opinion. They will perform purificatory act with the musala or a pestle as you purify your things with kusha. Therefore, they will be known as musalman, the corrupters of religion. Thus the demoniac religion will be founded by me.”
It is amply clear that contrary to Dr Naik’s claims, Mahamada (Muhammad) is being condemned here as a demon and not as a spiritual person. Far from being a Kalki Avatar, Muhammad is being foretold as a devil harbinger of nuisance!
Having analyzed the verses, let us analyze a few more points regarding Bhavishya Puran:
- Bhavishya Puran is not considered an authoritative religious scripture. It is amply clear that the book continued to be written till late 19th century. Because it also contains stories of Jesus Christ, Akbar, Sawai Jai Singh, Alha Udal, Tulsidas, Surdas, Guru Nanak, Shahjahan, Aurangzeb, Shivaji and even Queen Victoria and her Parliament. Bulk of the material seems to be written during foreign rule. Thus, Bhavishya Puran does not even come in category of evidence, when it comes to Hindu religion.
- Still if Dr Zakir Naik has infallible faith in Bhavishya Puran, he should also admit that Muhammad was a devil and reincarnation of Tripurasur.
- Also, if Dr Naik has so much trust on Bhavishya Puran and considers the book so prophetic, why does he not admit other advices of the book – the fastings on specific days and their benefits, worship of different idols, avoidance of meat, celibacy, shraadh, prohibition of marriage among close relatives, agnihotra, holy places, cow protection etc. And accordingly, he should refuse to believe in those verses of Quran which are against the precepts of Bhavishya Puran.
In the next part of the series, we shall critically examine the claim of Prophet Muhammad in Vedas.
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More on Bhavishya Puran:
Extracted from http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com/
Bhavishya Purana : The Prediction of Islam And Muhammad
According to Bhavishya purana
Mahamada (Incarnation of Tripurasura the demon) = Dharmadushika (Polluter of righteousness)
Religion founded by Mahamada = Paisachyadharama (demoniac religion)
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Original Sanskrit Version: Bhavishya Puran: Prati Sarg: Part III:3,3 5-27
Translation source:
(http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/188/1/Bhavishya-Purana-The-Prediction-of-Islam/Page1.html)
[From the third part of the Pratisarga Parva.]
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Shri Suta Gosvami said: In the dynasty of king Shalivahana, there were ten kings who went to the heavenly planets after ruling for over 500 years. Then gradually the morality declined on the earth. At that time Bhojaraja was the tenth of the kings on the earth. When he saw that the moral law of conduct was declining he went to conquer all the directions of his country with ten-thousand soldiers commanded by Kalidasa. He crossed the river Sindhu and conquered over the gandharas, mlecchas, shakas, kasmiris, naravas and sathas. He punished them and collected a large ammount of wealth. Then the king went along with Mahamada (Muhammad), the preceptor of mleccha-dharma, and his followers to the great god, Lord Shiva, situated in the desert. He bathed Lord Shiva with Ganges water and worshipped him in his mind with pancagavya (milk, ghee, yoghurt, cow dung, and cow urine) and sandalwood paste, etc. After he offered some prayers and pleased him.
Suta Goswami said: After hearing the king’s prayers, Lord Shiva said: O king Bhojaraja, you should go to the place called Mahakakshvara, that land is called Vahika and now is being contaminated by the mlecchas. In that terrible country there no longer exists dharma. There was a mystic demon named Tripura(Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified. Hearing this the king came back to his country and Mahamada(Muhammad) came with them to the bank of the river Sindhu. He was expert in expanding illusion, so he said to the king very pleasingly: O great king, your god has become my servant. Just see, as he eats my remnants, so I will show you. The king became surprised when he saw this just before them. Then in anger Kalidasa rebuked Mahamada(Muhammad) “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…”
That city is known as their site of pilgrimage, a place which was Madina or free from intoxication. Having a form of a ghost (Bhuta), the expert illusionist Mahamada(Muhammad) appeared at night in front of king Bhojaraja and said: O king, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion by the order of the Lord . The symptoms of my followers will be that they first of all will cut their genitals, have no shikha, but having beard, be wicked, make noise loudly and eat everything. They should eat animals without performing any rituals. This is my opinion. They will perform purificatory act with the musala or a pestle as you purify your things with kusha. Therefore, they will be known as musalman, the corrupters of religion. Thus the demoniac religion will be founded by me. After having heard all this the king came back to his palace and that ghost(Muhammad) went back to his place.
The intelligent king, Bhojaraj established the language of Sanskrit in three varnas – the brahmanas, kshatriyas and vaisyas – and for the shudras he established prakrita-bhasha, the ordinary language spoken by common men. After ruling his kingdom for 50 years, he went to the heavenly planet. The moral laws established by him were honored even by the demigods. The arya-varta, the pious land is situated between Vindhyacala and Himacala or the mountains known as Vindhya and Himalaya. The Aryans reside there, but varna-sankaras reside on the lower part of Vindhya. The musalman people were kept on the other side of the river Sindhu.
On the island of Barbara, Tusha and many others also the followers of Isamsiha were also situated as they were managed by a king or demigods.
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Note This
Lord Shiva said: O king Bhojaraja, you should go to the place called Mahakakshvara, that land is called Vahika and now is being contaminated by the mlecchas. In that terrible country there no longer exists dharma. There was a mystic demon named Tripura(Tripurasur), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost.
According to Bhavishya Purana Muhammad was the rebirth of Tripurasura the Demon.
Tripurasura was killed by Shiva in his(Tripurasura’s) past life.
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Tripurasura’s Past life (Mythology[not from bhavishya purana])
source(http://www.ashtavinayaktemples.com/temple.asp?serialno=3&tempid=T009)
Tripurasur was the son of Sage Gritsamad. One day the sage sneezed and from this was created a young boy who the Sage brought up as his own son. The sage taught the boy the Ganana Twam, Ganesh Mantra. Equipped with this mantra the boy meditated intensely on Lord Ganesh who ultimately blessed him. He was given three pura-s of gold silver and iron. Since he was the owner of these three pura-s he was given the name Tripur. Ganesh also bestowed on Tripur to be the most powerful, who none but Lord Shiva himself could destroy and after being destroyed by Lord Shiva he would attain mukti-salvation.
This boon made Tripur proud and he brought havoc in the entire world. He conquered the Nether world and then proceeded to takeover Heaven. He defeated Indra the king of heaven. His aggression made Lord Brahma hide in a lotus and Lord Vishnu in the Shirsagar. He soon also took over Lord Shiva’s Kailash Parvat and thus became the King of all the three worlds. The gods wondered on how to vanquish Tripurasur. Lord Narada told them that, since he had been granted a boon by Lord Ganesh himself it would be very difficult to vanquish him. He advised them to meditate on Lord Ganesh. Pleased Lord Ganesh decided to help the Gods.
Disguised as brahmin he visited Tripurasur and told him that he was a very enlightened Brahmin and could make for him three flying planes. Riding these he woud be able to go anywhere he wished within minutes. The planes could only be destroyed by Shiva.In return Lord Ganesh asked him to get him the statue of Chintamani which was at the Kailash Mountain. Lord Shiva refused to give the statue to Tripurasur’s messenger. The angry Tripurasur himself went to get the statue. A fierce battle started between him and Lord Shiva. He destroyed everything that belonged to the Lord Shiva who too retired to the Girikandar.
Lord Shiva too realized that he was unable to destroy Tripurasur because he had not paid his respects to Lord Ganesh. He recited the Shadaakshar Mantra to invoke Ganesh. On doing so from his mouth emerged Gajanan to grant Shiva a boon. Shiva continued his invocation of Ganesh who ultimately directed him on how Tripurasur could be killed. Lord Shiva was asked to recite the Sahastranam and then direct an arrow at the three pura-s of Tripurasur.
Lord Shiva followed these instructions and finally vanquished Tripurasur.
The place where Lord Shiva invoked Lord Ganesh he also created a temple for him. The town surrounding this temple was called Manipur. The village Ranjangaon is considered to be the place where Lord Shiva himself sought the blessings of Ganesh and ultimately destroyed Tripurasur.
This prayer (chalisa) praises the Lord Shiva (Related to Tripurasura killing)
Tripurasur sang yuddha machayi,
sabahin kripa kari leen bachayi.
By fighting and killing the Demon Tripurasur,
You forgave everybody and saved the Gods.
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Mlechha (meaning)
(from Sanskrit dictionary)
म्लेच्छ mleccha
1 A barbarian,a non Aryan ( One not speaking the Sanskrit Language or not conform in to Hindu or Aryan institutions),a foreigner in general
2 An Outcast, a very low man, Bodhayana thus defines the word:
gomAmsakhAdako yastu viruddhaM bahubhAshhate | sarvAchAravihInashcha mlechchha ityabhidhiiyate |
He who eats cow’s meat, and speaks a lot against shastras and he, who is also devoid of all forms of spiritual practice, is called a mlechha.
3 A sinner, A wicked person, A savage or barbarian race
etc…
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Paisachya (meaning)
(from Sanskrit dictionary)
Paisachya
Demonical, Infernal
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Tripurasura
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Asura (meaning)
(from Sanskrit dictionary)
Asura असुर
1 An evil spirit,demon
2 A general name for the enemies of Gods,
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In the next part of the series, we shall critically examine the claim of Prophet Muhammad in Vedas.
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the way Hinduism portrays God as having no power but the power of everything he created doesn’t make sense in general..if there is a God who is all powerful as they say Shiva is at times then they say Vishnu at times then they say Brahma at times then they should never fear what they have created or have to pray to something they created the way Shiva prayed to Ganesha his son that was made from his wife or so the story goes…if there is a God then God surely has control over his hands,feet and mind and surely god is able to defeat anything he created out of pure power and knowledge he possess to be God..the people you refer to sound more like people than Gods…if we are to state that that is the main reason we have animals and man then what really came before all of that?the Vedas are interesting but it seems to answer only one question the religion that was brought down by Adam(pbuh) as Adam(pbuh) was a vegetarian in heaven as he ate no animals except for the trees of heaven hence when he came to earth or descended to earth he only knew of the knowledge that he left with which was to eat plants and the plants he ate were the ones he recognized from heaven…zakir naik is wrong I’ll give you that but so are a lot of you people including the one calling himself kaafir…if you but knew what you were calling yourself even as a believer in a Hindu God shouldn’t call himself what they call a disbeliever in another religion..that in it self doesn’t make sense..would you call yourself satan then because he is the enemy of Allah?the answer is no because of what his character is supposed to be..and if you but read everything on the Abrahamic religions you’d surely realize that only with God/Allah’s revelation were the people of God allowed to eat meat and only through purifying it through halal/kosher means which basically means to say the name of God over it while slaughtering it..which doesn’t sound so evil when you think about it..the caste system was always a divisive factor in Hinduism and a cause of great grief amongst people as you couldn’t move up or be totally free of man but in the Abrahamic religions the only being everything is a slave to is the One God…which can be debated till the end of times but makes more sense than the endless cycle of rebirth in the Hindu and Buddhist canons…what you people need to discuss in essence is not whether we are born right or with the perfect religion but whether the truth has to be learnt and discovered through heart and intelligence and soul…the way a lot of the Muslims and Jews and Christians carry themselves is wrong to be fair for if they have read their scriptures properly a lot of what they do is wrong even the way they are praying according to the holy books is incorrect…all you have to do is read the books of revelation rather than what you are told by someone else…there is a lot of correction to be done by all of humanity but by pointing the blame and shouting and arguing is nothing but a waste of time…no one is better than God…the reason there can’t be many god’s in my opinion is the story i have come across through my life…if you imagine the whole human body as God then if the thumb was a god and the heat was a god and the nail was a god and hair was a god and nose a god and the mouth was god etc what happens when all of those gods decide to go the opposite direction of each other?the only answer is chaos and no control which it futile to call them gods but just sentient beings with power which makes all the talk about gods futile and void…if there is a God and one of us is right about our religion..I’m sure we will all find out each on our own when we pass cus only in death is there truth in life it seems for most is only confusion…the story does have and ending and the question does have an answer..salaam..from a well wisher.
@Harm Wisher:
You display colossal lack of understanding of Dharmic religions. There ARENT many Gods in Hinduism. Adam and Eve, sorry to burst the bubble, never existed. Nobody is anybody’s slave much less Allah’s slave. (Why do you remind me of a user called Anything and Everything who went about using the same words as you are? Predictably after a while he/she vanished and I predict the same will be the case with you.) You just pull out of thin air that being a slave to One God makes more sense than karmic reincarnation. Just because you WISH that to be true, doesnt make it to be true.
In any case, why are Jews and Christians hell-bound for worshipping the same God that you are worshipping?
vanish where brother the reason i say that Hindus believe in many Gods is the way they practice their religion or the way they have altered it from their original source to it’s modern state of idol worship and many gods which to me if they had not changed from their central concept of Indra being the prime God prior to Brahma and Shiva and Vishnu etc would have been the same as Islam in its essence..you are right there was a point in time when Hindus believed in one God but whatever time scale you’re talking about doesn’t exist anymore as there are very few that follow the tradition of one God and the ones who do and don’t pray to many Gods for various afflictions whether they be vegetarian or not i would call Muslims or at least the inoffensive word Hanifa’s or an even less offensive word ones who submit to the one God..so really we don’t disagree if that is what you truly believe but really if you’re speaking for yourself then you’re statement is fine but if you speak for the majority i have to disagree as i was a Hindu and the concept of God that was passed on to me through my family was strained with believe in sages(scholars not prophets) and demi-gods that constantly showed traits of humanity in them if I’m wrong direct me to the correct scriptures brother if you are true in your world as to enlighten people…but if you cant find a source or a people that believe what you are saying then how am i wrong..you say that Adam and Eve didn’t exist then surely there must have been a first man and woman that existed (whether you draw your conclusion through evolution or from God) and who do you think Allah/God say they are???Adam and Eve…the reason i say the Jew’s(99%),the Christians(99%) and even the majority of Muslims(99%) are in plain error is due to the fact that if you read their revealed books and not their theological books(including most of their hadith’s which are in direct contradiction to the Quran’s words) then you will find they have strayed far from their path of enlightenment hence why …the bible,the Torah and the Quran all talk about praying three times a day and not five,they also state in all three books that one must eat halal/kosher food,they also state explicitly that no one can be an intercessor for anyone not even the prophets and the prophets in essence will only become witnesses against humanity for the lies they perpetuated against God and His prophets…vanished???you wish brother…but keep wishing and not accepting for wishing is truly a dangerous game of chance/demon play…and you are a funny misguided fellow i also included the Muslims when i said the people of the scripture are in plain error…WHY would YOU highlight just the Jew’s and Christians as if that’s the only people i have commented on..i have even commented on the religion i am with now…you are truly foolish and cant read…there is a place for the blind…DARKNESS…YOU ARE BLIND to what i have said and to the One True God…i don’t disregard most of what is in the dharma of Hinduism but the way i chose my God is the way everyone should if the Revealed scripture and not the theological scriptures show no signs of contradiction then that is the true religion of the perfect God..and yes you could argue “but the Quran is a contradiction” but all i will say to that is be careful of false translation and additions in brackets from the authors of their interpretations of the verses of Allah…the one who will vanish is you brother when you meet Our Lord God…i talk without knowledge then surely you talk without TRUTH for you have MISQUOTED me and then talked absolute utter prideful boast’s of something you have not understood in my text…be fooled it harms no one but yourself!
THE TRUTH OP THE MATTER IS YOU WISH TO BELIEVE KARMIC REINCARNATION IS TRUE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE 10000000 LIVES BEING AN EVIL FOUL MOUTHED FOOL WHO CAN’T READ OR WRITE ANYTHING RESEMBLING THE TRUTH…IN ANY CASE WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND OR NT ALLAH HAS WON..FOR GOD ALWAYS DOES AND ALREADY DID…JUDGEMENT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THERE IS NO POINT IN NO ONE BEING CALLED FOR FOR THEIR CRIMES THAT ONLY GOD CAN KNOW FOR SOME OF US ARE SECRETIVE OF THE EVILS WE DO AND HENCE THE ONLY WITNESS AGAINST THE INNOCENT WILL ALWAYS BE GOD AND NOT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE,YOU ARE MISGUIDED..BUT YOU ARE HAPPY IN YOUR TRUTHS SO DON’T LEARN YOU ARE A GENIUS..I WENT THROUGH A LOT OF RELIGION’S BEFORE I CAME TO ISLAM…AND BROTHER LOOK AROUND HOW ARE WE NOT SLAVES?WE ARE SLAVES TO THE UNIVERSE IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY FROM THE WAY THAT WE ARE DEPENDENT ON EVERYTHING GOD CREATED FROM THE AIR TO FOOD TO PEOPLE TO LAND TO WALK ON…SO HOW IS THE CONCEPT OF BEING A SLAVE TO THE TRUE NAME OF THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE GOD A HARD CONCEPT FOR YOU TO ACCEPT…IF YOU AREN’T A SLAVE THEN DOES THAT MAKE YOU A GOD OR A GOD-KING?I THINK NOT…THINK BEFORE YOU OPEN YOU MOUTH BROTHER YOU WILL BE CALLED INTO ACCOUNT FOR THE MISCHIEF YOU BRING THROUGH LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONCEPT OF LIFE AND GOD…AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ME BROTHER???OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN’T EVEN READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN SO WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW ABOUT ME AND IF YOU KNOW NOTHING OF ME FROM WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN HOW COULD YOU THEN POSSIBLY KNOW ANYTHING OF WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED TO US???
AND YOU CALL ME HARM WISHER???THE ONLY ONE HERE WISHING HARM WAS YOU BY CALLING ME NAMES FOR THINGS I DIDNT SAY AND FOR HOPING I’D DISSAPPEAR…TRUST ON THIS I AM HERE TO STAY TILL GOD AND ONLY GOD TAKES…YOUR WORDS ARE AS WEAK AS EVERYTHING I HAVE READ ON THIS INTERNET FULL OF SELFISH THOUGHT AND SELF DESIRE’S…YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ANYTHING EXCEPT OF THAT WHICH YOU “WISH” TO BELIEVE..OH AND ANOTHER REASON I DON’T BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION CUS NO ONE HAS COME BACK FROM THE PAST NOT A SINGLE SOUL HAS COME BACK AND TOLD US ABOUT OUR PAST???COINCIDENCE???I THINK NOT..YOU SEE IF YOU WERE RIGHT THEN SURELY MANKIND COULD NEVER BE LOST AS OUR ANCESTORS WOULD KEEP COMING AND TELL US TO STOP FIGHTING CUS WE ARE FROM THE SAME SEED.GOD’S…ALSO THE CONCEPT OF IDOL WORSHIP MAKES NO SENSE HENCE WHY THE STORY OF ABRAHAM(PBUH) IN THE QURAN IS THERE GO READ WHAT ABRAHAM DID AND SEE IF YOU DID THE SAME WHAT WOULD HAPPEN???NOTHING!!!THE REASON WHY NO ONE’S PRAYERS ARE ANSWERED ANYMORE UNLIKE IN THE PAST IS THAT WE HAVE ALL FORGOTTEN HOW TO PRAY THE WAY WE WERE TAUGHT BY GOD AND WE ONLY FOLLOW CULTURE..CULTURE AND TRADITION IS FAR REMOVED FROM GOD..TRY PRAYING THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURE OF THE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND SEE WHO ANSWERS?THERE IS ONLY ONE PATH AND ONE OF THE RELIGIONS IS RIGHT(FOR JUDAISM/CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM IS THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE ADDITION ON THE REVEALED SCRIPTURE BY THE AUTHORS OF THE COPIES OF THE BOOKS BUT ALL THE QUOTES OF THE PROPHETS REMAIN THE SAME INCLUDING THE PSALMS CUS GOD PROTECTED THE REVEALED SCRIPUTRE’S)…BUT ALL I HAVE SEEN IS PEOPLE HAVING ONE LIFE BUT CARRYING THE DUTY OF THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE AS IN THE CASE OF THE PROPHETS WHO CARRY THE ETERNAL RELIGION OF GOD AND THE DEMONS THAT CARRY THE LIFELONG RELIGION OF THE DEVIL!
YOU DESERVE NO RESPECT FROM ME…WHEN YOU HAVE READ WHAT I HAVE RESPONDED…FEEL FREE TO COMMENT…TEACH ME SOMTEHING I DON’T KNOW ABOUT DHARMA?CUS THOSE CONCEPTS I DISAGREE WITH ARE WHY I AM NO LONGER A HINDU APART FROM THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD RELIGION BUT THERE IS NO POINT FOR GOD’S RELIGION TO BE GOOD AS ALL RELIGION’S THAT TALK ABOUT GOD ARE GOOD BUT GOD’S RELIGION SHOULD BE PERFECT AND THE ONLY WAY IT SHOULD AND CAN NOT BE PERFECT IS THROUGH MISTRANSLATION AND MISINTERPRETATION AND IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT HINDUISM THE WAY I DO ABOUT ISLAM,JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY…SHOW ME…I AM AFTER ALL A STUDENT OF GOD…SO I WILL CONVERSE WITH YOU BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO DISRESPECT MY VIEW/OPINION IN A UNINTELLECTUAL WAY RATHER MY OPEN MINDED HINDU THEN I WILL HAVE HARSH WORDS FOR YOU TOO THAT WON’T BE BASED ON CONJECTURE BUT ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE SAID…YOU DONT KNOW ME BROTHER SO WATCH YOUR MOUTH FOR IF YOU MET ME IN PERSON YOU WOULD’NT TALK THIS WAY TO ME….AND FOR THE RECORD THE ONLY PERSON THAT SEEMS TO WISH THINGS TO BE TRUE IS YOU…FOR WHAT DO I GAIN IF EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE IN GOD THAT I AM A BAD PERSON FOR GOD JUDGES WITH THE TRUTH…FOR SURELY I WILL GO TO HELL WITH YOU EVEN IF I BELEIVE IN ALLAH IF I AM A LIAR AGIANST HIM!!!
IN ALLAH/GOD I TRUST!!!
FEAR NO ONE BUT GOD/ALLAH!!!!
COOL YOURSELF BROTHER…YOU DON’T HAVE A CLUE…AND A WORD OF ADVICE QUIT PREDICTING THINGS IF YOU ARE SO GOOD AT IT THEN PREDICT A BETTER LIFE FOR YOURSELF AND FOR EVERYONE!!!
SALAAM BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO READ WITH UNDERSTANDING!!!
A WELL WISHER!!!
@Harm Wisher:
Holy crap! That was a lot of gibberish vomit there.Ever heard of a full stop? ALSO TYPING IN CAPS MAKES IT EFFING DIFFICULT TO READ! Comments sections are for comments. Not essays.
Let’s break this down one by one.
(1)Do Muslims worship the same God as do Jews/Christians? (Yes/No/I dont know)
(2)If your answer to (1) is yes, do Jews/Christians go to hell? (Yes/No/I dont know)
(3)Are biologists committing blasphemy by saying Adam and Eve never existed? (Yes/No/I dont know).
(4)Are physicists committing blasphemy by saying Allah did NOT create the world in 6 days? (Yes/No/I dont know)
I have so many more questions but I think this should suffice for the first installment. Provide your answers. Make is short and TO THE POINT. For your easy answering, I have also made my post in multiple-choice format.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE ASKED FOR THE ANSWERS IN SIMPLE FORM I’LL DO IT..BUT SINCE YOU ARE STILL QUITE DISRESPTECFUL I’LL KEEP IT IN CAPITALS…
1)YES
2)ONLY IF THEY DON’T FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURE ACCORDINGLY IS THE ONLY ANSWER I CAN GIVE FOR THE JEWS HAVE 2/8 OF THE SCRIPTURE,THE CHRISTIANS HAVE 4/8 OF THE SCRIPTURE AND THE OTHER 4/8 IS WITH THE MUSLIMS.
3)YES,FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW OR CAN CLAIM TO KNOW WHETHER THE FIRST MAN OR WOMAN WAS A NEANDERTHAL OR HUMAN THEY CAN ONLY CLAIM THROUGH THE FLAWED SCIENCE THAT IS EVOLUTION..READ UP ON EVOLUTION HOW MUCH OF IT STICKS?IF YOU BELIEVE GOD CLAIMS THINGS THAT ARE LIES THAT’S UP TO YOU..I’M NOT HERE FOR YOUR AMUSEMENT.ANYHOW HOW DOES HINDUISM CLAIM ANY SUCH RELATION TO EVOLUTION?FOR AS FAR AS I CAN TELL IT ALSO CLAIMS WE CAME AS HUMANS TO EARTH NOT NEANDERTHALS.
4)YES,CUS THE SIX DAYS YOU ARE REFERRING TO HAS ALWAYS BEEN STATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY ALL MONOTHEISTIC RELIGION AS A CONCEPT OF TIME ACCORDING TO GOD NOT MAN!!!!
ASK QUESTIONS…IF I CAN ANSWER THEM I WILL..IF I CAN’T WAIT YOU’LL GET YOUR ANSWER WHEN YOU MEET OUR GOD!
WELL-WISHER.
P.S. STOP DICTATING TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING HOW TO TALK..I ONLY COMMENTED ON THE WAY YOU TALK CUS IT IS DISRESPECTFUL AND ARROGANT!
P.S I MEANT 1/8 OF THE SCRIPTURE IS WITH THE JEWS.
P.S.
THE REASON WHY THE JEW’S ARE CONSIDERED WRONG IS THAT IN THEIR HOLY SCRIPTURE THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM THEY HAD THE NAMES OF JESUS AND MUHAMMED (PBUT) WRITTEN IN THEM BUT THEY DECIDED TO USE THE LITERAL TRANSLATIONS OF THEIR NAMES IN TRANSLATIONS I.E. INSTEAD OF CALLING MUHAMMED (PBUH) BY NAME THEY CALLED HIM “COMFORTER” OR “TRUSTWORTHY” ETC WHICH IN ARABIC MEANS MUHAMMED/AHMED(SHORTENED FORM OF MUHAMMED) AND THUS CLAIMED WHEN THEY ARRIVED FOR THEM THAT THEY KNEW THEM NOT AND THE CORE BELIEF IN ALLAH/JAHOVAH IS THAT YOU BELIEVE IN ALL THE PROPHETS THAT GOD SENDS FOR HE MAKES NO MISTAKE ONLY CORRECTIONS WHEN HUMANS HAVE REACHED A LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING
Now, you are making very specific claims. 2/8 is not with the Jews, but only 1/8 is with the Jews. You then go on to say that an additional 3/8 is with the Christians. The remaining 4/8 (how convenient) is with the Muslims.
Two more questions (I will get to your other answers subsequently, but you made this claim way before you answered my other questions)
(6)What is this scripture you are referring to?
(7)How do you know that Muslims possess the remaining 4/8 thereby (conveniently) summing up to 1? (1/8 Jews + 3/8 Christians + 4/8 Muslims)
I want some proof of this, because you have made VERY SPECIFIC CLAIMS.
Why dont Jews have 1/9 or 1/7 of the scripture? Why dont Muslims posses 4/9 or 4/10?
Prove this and then we will proceed on all the other points that you have made.
Also note, quoting the Quran/Hadiths to prove the veracity of Quran/Hadiths is not correct. It is circular and will get a truth seeker nowhere.
So, since you have made very specific claims, the burden of proof is on you AND you cannot quote the Quran/Hadiths to help you “prove” this claim.
first off mr kal the reason why i say the things
i say isn’t out of reverence for islam but for the
truth in what is revealed by GOD.
you have to remember i have already stated that i was a hindu from birth
and i practised hinuism till i was 19yrs old then i converted to islam after searching for the true God when i was 26..hence why i feel the truth needs defending for i have not seen anyone do it right yet and i am dissapointed of the narrow mindedness of the so called beleiver of all religions who seem to be caught up in the culture and traditions of their country..:-(.
the reason i say that the jew have 2/8(i really should correct myself
and say 2/8 instead of 1/8)(i have no shame in correcting myself when wrong)
is due to the fact that only the first two books of the
torah contain the most revealed of truth
that is related to God and god alone,with
the christians i would say the gospel of jesus
(which are the essentially the quotes of jesus,
that i consider to be the gospel and not what say
mark or paul etc thought about what he said
and the psalms because they came way after
abraham and moses and are almost synonomos
with christianity as i never hear of the jews sing or talk
about the psalms so for that reason i credit the psalms
even though they came before jseus but after moses
with the christians as they utilise it the most in worship,
i then said islam has 4/8 due to the fact that it is a
compilation of all those books plus a few more added i.e
the last chapter the story of the last prophet and also with
it comes the amendments of the eariler books at the hands of the preists
this is how i deduced using my own head to say what i said..so in the
case of islam just incase you ask it has the 3/8 of amendments for both
judaism and christianity plus the message of the last prophet which i will
consider as 1/8..hence the 4/8 for islam.
in essence i should correct one thing in that it really should be
2/8 jews,2/8 christians,and 4/8 muslims(as the corrections
for the previous books i.e. the jesus story and the last chapter of the prophets story etc is added to the holy scriptures.
plus when i say scriptures i specifacilly mean from the torah:
the commandments,and genesis,from the bible:the psalms and
the gospel of jesus,and from the muslims the whole of the Quran
as it is a correction and an addition to those books…
and when i mean correction i don’t mean to outlaw those books words or
meanings but to amend any false claims the previous preists have said about Allah or any of the prophets while rewriting parts of those books to suit their gain and needs for control etc…
everything else that religious people of these faiths call scripture were
not written by the prophets as revealed to them by God nor were they
as far as i have read from the word of God but in fact from scholars
and sages therefore i consider them theological philosophical/intellectual books rather than revelaevd scripture of God through a prophet as it
should and can only be done as they are chosen from each community
throughout the monotheistic religions..the reason i dont consider
say the buddhist canons or the hindu canons in this is because they are
so far removed from those religions that they themsleves don’t cliam any prophethood in their scriputres only Godhead..which in turn makes them
stand alone although there are strong arguments for their cause they fall down cus in their central belief system they believe in re-birth which for me as a believer cancels them out of any truth as i have explained previously why i believe rebirth can’t be from God but can only be man’s idea..
at the end of the day you dont have to believe me and i don’t have to believe
you…this is just a religious debate about the truth of God and i hope you see it that way instead saying aggressive things for which i can take you out on cus it’s too easy to be negative brother so let’s chill out and respect that i have a different opinion to you that i discovered on my own that has nothing to do with any of these religions people’s belief but has everything to do with the God of those religions and what is revealed..if you find what i say untrue then thats fine it doesn’t bother me but if you find what i say has truth then that’s whole other conversation that’s starting right there.
ALSO i should add when i talk about Islam i don’t consider the hadith’s at all
as they are not from the prophets but from sages of islam and scholars etc
so they are not in what i call the scripture of the One God ALLAH.
peace.
p.s. i am now going to talk to that warrior who decided to join the debate and thought it’s not enough i have to defend my opinion against two people who aren’t thinking but now i have to deal with a third party…God has already won while we talk.
WELL WISHER
@Well Wisher Brother I can prove that ISHAWAR is greater than allah using comparative religion and christians people own exposure regarding Allah/Jehovah/Yahweh as your own Mohammad has said that Allah, Jehovah and Yahweh are same.
According to comparative religion and according to many Christian’s own account ALLAH IS A SMALL VEDIC GOD IN VEDAS. ALLAH/YAHWEH/JEHOVAH/JOVE/ZEUS is none other than INDRA.
Prophet Mohammad told his Allah is same as YAHWEH/JEHOVAH which in turn are Roman God Jove, which Jewish pronounce as Yahweh and Christians as Jehovah, So Allah/Jehovah/Yahweh is none other Roman God Jove/Jupiter, who in Greek is called as Zeus and in India is called as Indra. Allah is called merciful and compassionate like Roman God Jove. Yahweh/Jehovah threatened people with flood and thunder like Jove/Indra. Flood Myth of Abrahmic religion are taken from Roman God Jove where people are wiped for their sins and new breed of new generations of people were created See the below link for further confirmation
Abrahmic Gods are worshiping different plantary gods like Moon, Venus and Sun because anybody who knows comparative religion knows that only those religion which worship planets have Sabbath like Friday, Saturday and SUN-DAY on the contrary SUPREME GOD ISHWARA has no Sabbath all 7 days are his sabbath.
ANOTHER PROOF even Muslims cannot deny is Rainbow is called qawsalla in arabic, which means “BOW OF ALLAH” and in hindi it is called INDRADHANUSH (BOW OF INDRA)
So ALLAH IS NON OTHER THAN INDRA A SMALL VEDIC GOD. ISHWARA IS MUCH BIGGER THAN INDRA
http://jesus-messiah.com/html/jove.html
http://seatofgod.com/jupiterbiblicalastrologicalaspects/id21.html
the reason i say that the jew have 2/8…
These are all your own opinions. Oh…why didnt you say so at the beginning itself? You further state:
so in the case of islam just incase you ask it has the 3/8 of amendments for both judaism and christianity plus the message of the last prophet which i will consider as 1/8..hence the 4/8 for islam.
Hmm..again, this is your consideration. You see, your opinion is just that – your opinion. Sorry to state this, but I give a rat’s behind to your opinion. For instance, I opine that Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all together have 0% of the truth. The reason is I believe the whole business of messiah/son of God/Prophet/Final Prophet/modification of previous holy books, etc. are completely flawed. There can be ONE FINAL CAUSE of everything in the world and that is Brahman. There is no need of regular prophets from time to time which the latest prophet being more correct than the previous prophet.
I notice that you have still not given a full/direct answer to my question (2) and question (7). I will repeat them below:
(2)…do Jews/Christians go to hell? (Yes/No/I dont know)
(7)How do you know that Muslims possess the remaining 4/8 thereby (conveniently) summing up to 1? (1/8 Jews + 3/8 Christians + 4/8 Muslims)
Personal opinion is a non-answer. I want some verifiable evidence here because I think you are implying that Jews/Christians are going to hell unless they follow the full scripture, by which I guess you mean the Quran. So, basically, you are saying Jews/Christians are going to hell unless they also believe in “La Ilaha Il Allah, Mohammed rasool Allah”. Right?
Shucks…I thought we were going to have a serious debate on verifiable stuff and not stupid opinions. What is there to discuss about a person’s opinions. Do we now want to debate on our opinions of who is a better cricket player – Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara or Steve Waugh? (In case you want to debate, let me state that I throw my weight behind Steve Waugh.)
@ Sameer that’s nice of you to use intelligence instead of soul with God!!
that makes sense…
Ok i will answer why what you say is utter untruths!!!
you keep talking about Islam and it’s previous versions(Judaism/Christianity) that were severely altered from their original path as truths!!!
STOP doing that and read the Quran properly!!!
THERE IS NO FRIDAY PRAYERS IN THE QURAN..
NOR IS THERE HOLY SABBATH’S IN THE QURAN…
NOR IS THERE SUNDAY WORSHIP IN THE QURAN!!!
THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON THE QURAN WAS SENT TO AMEND
WHAT WAS CHANGED/ALTERED IN THE BIBLE AND TORAH,AND TO RESTORE THE TRUE BELIEF IN THE ONE GOD ALLAH TO IT’S ORIGINAL FORM!!!!
HAVE YOU NOT BEEN READING WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN????
THIS WHY I KEEP TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THE “TRUTH SEEKERS” THAT NOT ONLY WAS JUDAISM AND CHRITIANITY CORRPUTED BY THE PREIST’S FOR POWER ETC….
BUT SO WAS ISLAM BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE WHO GOT LAZY AND STOPPED READING THE QURAN AS THE ONLY PERFECT BOOK IN THEIR RELIGION AND WHO STARTED TO LISTEN TO THE SCHOLAR’S/SAGES(I.E. THE HADITH’S ETC) INSTEAD OF ALLAH(THE QURAN IS HIS SPEECH TO MANKIND)!!!
I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES YOUR QUESTIONS…
PLUS HOW CAN YOU USE COMPARITIVE ESSAYS TO EXPLAIN THE FACT THAT ALLAH IS A SMALL VEDIC GOD???
ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT ALL THREE RELGIONS HAVE BEEN ALTERED IN VARIOUS WAYS??
THE ONLY RELIGION OUT OF THE THREE,WHERE THE HOLY SCRIPTURE HAS REMAINED IN COMPLETE FORM WITH NO PERMANENT AMENDMENTS FROM THE DAY IT WAS REVEALED TILL TOADY IS THE QURAN OF ISLAM.,
ALTHOUGH WHAT RUINED ISLAM WAS CULTURAL AND TRADITION..
THE PEOPLE OF ARABIA WENT BACK TO THEIR OLD WAYS OF PAGAN BELIEFS AND LAWS AND MIXED THEM WITH THE QURAN..
BUT NOW THEY DON’T EVEN FOLLOW THE QURAN WHICH DOESN’T MAKE SENSE AS IT IS THAT LAW THAT MAKES YOU A MUSLIM(A TRUE MUSLIM) AND NOTHING ELSE!!
WELL WISHER
@ MR KAL…
brother you speak of only your opinion..
you asked me to state using nothing not even the Quran as to the proof so as you said it was circular so i told you why from my understanding of the truth…
you haven’t proven a SINGLE thing about the vedas not a single thing…
you can’t prove anything not even if your religion is true either or wheter the concepts are true in the vedas just like noone can prove anything…
so you are right
I AM WRONG AND YOU MR KAL ARE WRONG AND SINCE YOU CAN’T PROVE REBIRTH OR THAT YOUR IDOLS CAN MOVE ETC OR ANYTHING ELSE AS MUCH AS I CAN WE CAN BOTH BE HAPPY WE HAVE AN OPINION ON THE TRUTH!!!
WELL WISHER
@ KAL
READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN DO I EVEN SOUND LIKE ANY OF THE MUSLIMS ON TV OR THAT YOU KNOW WITH WHAT I HAVE SAID???
THE ANSWER IS NO!!!
READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN!!!
THIS IS SO ANNOYING THAT YOU CAN’T READ BUT CAN’T TYPE “VOMIT”…AND YOU’RE RIGHT I COULDN’T GIVE A RAT’S BEHIND ABOUT YOUR OPIONION OR ANY SCHOLAR’S OPIONION THAT YOU QUOTE ARE READ CUS GUESS WHAT YOU FUNNY GUY??/
THAT’S RIGHT THE SHCOLAR ONLY HAS AN OPIONION LIKE ME!!!
YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR SAYING WHAT I’M SAYING IS JUST MY OPINION…
FOR IF THAT IS THE CASE EVERYTHING ON THIS WEBSITE INCLUDING WHAT YOU’RE QUOTING OR NOT IS JUST THAT OPINION!!!
SEE YOU LATER…YOU CAN MULL OVER AND ARGUE OVER EVERYTHING…I’VE DECIDED TO JUST PRAY!!!SEE YA!!!
GOD SAVE US ALL!!!
WELL WISHER
@ KAL AND ANOTHER THING YOU JOKER IF YOU READ ANYTHING OF WHAT I HAVE SAID I ALSO SAID THAT THE PROPHETS WERE SENT TO BRING THE RELIOGN BACK TO ITS STRIAGHT PATH WHENEVR HUMANS BENT IT TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT SO AS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO CONTROL THEIR PEOPLE AT THE TIME…THE PROPHETS OF ISLAM,JUDAISM,CHRISTIANITY WHERE NEVER SENT TO CHANGE THE OR CORRECT THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS BUT TO BRING BACK WHAT THE ORIGINAL TRUTHS OF ALLAH ARE…THE FACT IS WE CAN EAT MEAT HENCE WHY THAT HAD TO BE AMENDED FROM HINDUISM CUS THEY CHANGED CUS THEY GOT EXTREME WHEN THEIR PROPHET PASSED AWAY,HENCE ANOTHER PROPHET WAS SENT TO BRING BACK TO IT’S ORIGANAL FORM..THIS KEPT HAPPENING TILL THE FINAL PROPHET CAME AND LEFT THE BOOK THAT COULDN’T BE CHANGED CUS ALLAH MADE A PROMISE WITH THE HUMANS THAT HE WILL LEAVE ONE BOOK THAT WILL STAY UNALTERED TILL THE END OF TIMES COMES!!!
PEACE HOPE THAT CLARIFIES WHAT I HAVE SAID PREVIOUSLY…
MR KAL THEY WAY YOU DESCRIBED BRAHMIN IS NOT SO DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY ALLAH HAS ALWAYS DESCRIBED HIMSELF BEFORE MANKIND TRIED TO FORGET HIM OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTILL MUHAMMED(PBUH) CAME!!!!
CIAO!!!
WELL WISHER
SUBHANA ALLAH
AND TO CORRECT YOU AGIAN MR KAL:
THE SHAHADA OF ABRAHAM,AND MUHAMMED(PBUT) IS NOT “LA ILLAHA ILL ALLAH MUHAMMED RASOOLALLAH” BUT IN ACTUAL FACT IT IS AND AWLAYS WAS “LA ILLAHA ILL ALLAH” THE ADDITION OF MUHMMED’S NAME(PBUH) WAS DONE BY NON-BELIEVING HANDS!!!
ABRAHMIC SCRIPTURES ARE COPY PASTED FROM EARLIER PAGAN SCRIPTURES AND MYTHOLOGIES SEE THIS COOL ARTICLE OF ROBIN WOODSONG
http://www.liberatedthinking.com/data/Info/christ/pagroot.html
YEAH OF COURSE THIS RELIGION I ADHERE TO NEVER CAME FROM THE DESERT ORIGINALLY IT CAME FROM AN ISLAND IN THE EAST WHEN ADAM BROUGHT IT WHEN HE LANDED ON EARTH.,
SO OF COURSE IT’S OLD AND “COPY PASTED” CUS IT NEVER CHANGED BUT PEOPLE CHANGED IT CUS A LOT OF US WANTED THE POWER OF GOD TO BE GOD!!!!
SEE YOU IN THE AFTERLIFE…I HOPE YOU STAY PROUD WITH YOU TRUTH SAMEER,MR KAL,VAJRA OH AND THAT RAJPUT WARRIOR,HINDU MILITANT…
..
GOOD LUCK I HAD FUN BUT I HAVE GOT WORK TO DO.
WE SHALL AGREE TO DISAGREE ON EVERYTHING OK???
YOU HAVEN’T SHAKEN MY FAITH..IN FACT YOU HAVE MADE REALISE HOW BAD THE STATE OF THE MINDS OF PEOPLE ARE THAT WHAT THE VEDAS PREDICTED THAT IN THE END OF THE AGES(END TIMES) THAT THE LAW OF OPPOSITES WILL COME INTO EFFECT…KINGS WILL BE PEASANTS AND PEASANT’S WILL BE KING!!!THE GOOD WILL BE THE BAD AND THE BAD WILL BE RECOGNISED AS GOOD.
THANK YOU!
STAY COOL…THE KALKI AVATAR IS COMING SOONER THAN YOU GUYS THINK…I JUST HOPE YOU’RE READY WHEN HE COMES.
WELL WISHER
Well wisher aka whaaat????
————-WHAT THE VEDAS PREDICTED THAT IN THE END OF THE AGES(END TIMES) THAT THE LAW OF OPPOSITES WILL COME INTO EFFECT————
So you have read Vedas
Please give me reference of the above Mantra (?)
————I HOPE YOU STAY PROUD WITH YOU TRUTH SAMEER,MR KAL,VAJRA OH AND THAT RAJPUT WARRIOR,HINDU MILITANT———–
I hope you too will join us soon as you will come back to your home, Vedas
@Harm Wisher:
If you dont type legibly, you can continue with your monologue. If you want to engage me, you need to make it easy for my eyes. OK?
(2) This is a non-answer. The options I gave you were Yes/No/I dont know. Why wasnt this enough? Cut to the chase now, if you can. What do Jews/Christians have to do to escape eternal hellfire? Can they escape eternal hellfire without believing in La Illaha Il Allah, Mohammed rasool Allah?
(3) and (4) Good for you. At least you have the courage to say that biologists/physicists are blasphemers. Now, my next question is, why have biology/physics departments in Momin land? Let us bomb and destroy such places in Pakistan/Bangladesh/Indonesia/Saudi Arabia/Iran/Iraq/Libya/Bahrain/Kuwait/UAE. Do you agree?
Now, a new question:
(5)Are you Sunni? Do you think Shias/Qadiyanis/Sufis are hell-bound? What should these folks do to avoid eternal hellfire?
Let me remind you that unless you type legibly, I will not bother responding to your next post. If you agree, I will engage you in debate however long it takes. OK?
Brother KalBhairav
Madarsa owner semi literate Mullahs had to include “computer studies” as a subject to show the world that Ummah (followers of an Ummi (illiterate)) is not the bunch of ultimate Ummis like its master
But Mujahideen like well wisher (“well” in his vocab means Islam and thus contrary to the “well” for the humanity) and their Ustaad in Madarsa are unaware of something called “Caps Lock” key on the key board
For him, hindus are bad and thus Vedas are bad but Quran is good even when 99% of muslims are bad in his own words! Brother he lacks common sense like most of his fellow Ummis, dont think he is worth responding
thanks
why would you discuss semantics and word phrasing and such a silly time..i explained clearly why hindus are wrong and why 99% of muslims are wrong it looks like you are only smart with using words and not reading them..peace.
WELL WISHER.
Namaste Well Wisher
What is your take on Vedas?
Majority of Muslims are grave worshippers thus polytheists. Whats your message for them? All muslims bow to Kaba, want to kiss Kaba idol, so all muslims are idol worshippers. Whats your message for Kaba worshippers?
So are you sure that all those who pray 5 times and not 3 times and thus violating Allah’s orders will be in hell?
@Vajra:
Well said.
“WELL WISHER” is another flameout…The height of conceit of these clueless *idiots* is that they believe they have the ENTIRE TRUTH for all of manking for all time to come. Huh? If we ask for PROOF of this truth, they then say it is opinion but we Kufrs are blind and that is why we are unable to see the truth. They also hold that everyone else but their own single sect amongst the 72(?) is hell-bound. What a load of bull.
In any case, it is fun to toy with these jihadis every once in a while. I am still (probably along with you) waiting for one good argument from the Muslim side.
YEAH I’M A FLAME OUT…THERE IS A REASON WHY THE ISLAM AND THE VEDAS SPEAK AND THE MAYANS AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE WORLDS RELIGION’S HAVE THE SAME PREDICTION OF THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
THAT’S WHY I THOUGHT IF I USED A VEDIC PROPHECY WHICH IS THE SAME AS MANY PROPHECIES THAT CAME BEFORE AND AFTER IT YOU WILL SEE THERE IS AN END AND GOD WILL COME!!!
TO HEAR A GOOD OPIONION YOU SHOULD TRY PULLING YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR ASS CUS ALL YOUR HEARING RIGHT NOW IS S…….
AND PRIDE IS SUCH A WASTEFUL EMOTION HENCE WHY I CALLED YOU PROUD BUT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PROUD OF BEING PROUD WELL THAT DOES MAKES SENSE DEOSN’T IT!!!
AND FOR THE RECORD EVERYTHING YOU VAJ AND KAL AHVE SAID HAVE ONLY BEEN OPINION TOO!!!
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SO I REALLY DON’T SEE HOW ANY OF US ARE BETTER THAN THE OTHER AND IF YOU THINK YOU ARE THEN SURELY YOU MUST BE MORE BLIND THAN ME???
WELL WISHER
Well wisher
—————THE ISLAM AND THE VEDAS SPEAK AND THE MAYANS AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE WORLDS RELIGION’S HAVE THE SAME PREDICTION OF THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!————
Any Mantra from Vedas? So you believe that Allah will come on earth?
————-YOU MUST BE MORE BLIND THAN ME???—————
So you agree there is some problem with your vision
Get it rectified, come back to your home, Vedas.
OK.
. since you are talking with a bit more respect i will engage in a respectful way brother.
2)for your answer on the Jews and Christians and why Allah seems to have to have damned them you have to consider this hence why i couldn’t give you a yes or no answer for they were with god before they did this…in the scripture of the Jews there was names of two prophets that were written and they were the last two Jesus and muhammed peace be upon them but what the Jews did at this time and kept till now is that they took the literal meanings of their names i.e. Muhammed’s name means “the blesser/helper” and it’s short form is “Ahmed” which in the correct translated form of the torah is there.but the Jew priest’s not the Jew’s themselves who at the time of Jesus and Muhammed were lied to constantly much like we are today by leaders to fight everyone and hate everyone..refuted both of their claims to prophethood for it meant the priest lose their power and it goes back to God…hence why the Jew’s esp became cursed and only for that reason for in our Abrahimc religions one of the central concepts is if you deny the prophets that God sends who come with His truth then you deny God himself which seems pointless if you truly believe in that God..the christian priests who later joined with the Jew priests to continue this blasphemy then did the same to their people the Christians for fear of losing the same power hence why they too became cursed as it were…the only way the Jews and Christians can redeem themselves as far as i know is for each Jew and christian believer to go back to the true source of the scripture translate their own book correctly and see if Allah lied about His prophets…if they find Allah to have lied then i am wrong and i believe in the wrong God and i will damned with Allah for my lies but if i am right and if the truly research their holy books and correct them and Allah never lied then they have surely lost the greatest power i.e. having God/Allah on their side.
also the rasooluallah part is an addition the true shahada of all Muslim’s should only be La illaha illAllah and nothing more,anything else is an innovation and a lie against what Muhammed(pbuh) said!.
3) & 4)NO!!!don’t be silly bomb who???people can do what they like otherwise what’s the point of free will given to us by Allah/God…nothings a mistake even the mistakes seem like mistakes to someone who doesn’t truly believe in the power of Allah but everything’s is perfect and running perfectly on time..there were sent unto the lands many to mislead and many to guide…let them be as long they let us be to believe in our truths but they are trying eradicate us using media(even though media can be used for good it isn’t 99% of the time…you don’t believe me turn on the TV!) and false promises of freedom when no one was born free not even you or me.
5)no i am not a sunni or any of the above i am a hanifa like Abraham,Moses,Jesus and Muhammed(pbut)(one who submits Allah) from the religion of salaam(Islam’s true name)
what all Muslims should do is the same as what the Jew’s and Christians have to do read their scripture correctly and stop lying about our God/Allah and turning Allah/God into a vengeful and merciless and hateful God when the anger Allah unleashes is only on judgement day and only for the ones who angered Allah although people see this as anger in actual reasoning it is nothing but just punishment as Allah will keep His word that those who transgress against will face punishment (and sometimes if you have noticed punishment for a crime can seem like anger but only if it’s unjust and the person is innocent otherwise it is deserved)and on everyone else there will be peace on that day there will be no one to save anyone from all our true God.
anymore questions?
Well-Wisher
p.s. the only reason the jews and christians are wrong today is that they continue to follow their preist’s like the muslims who follow thier imam’s and not God.
WELL WISHER
call me by my name as it is or i’ll make one as disrespectful as you have done for me…what did your role models teach you i.e parents etc???
my name is WELL WISHER!!
Well wisher
We have moral right to call you even “worst of creature” since your Quran calls us Kafirs with the same name. So be happy that you are not called by the name you deserve
another thing who said biologist and physicist are all blasphemers????
i never once said that brother so correct yourself…if you hadn’t noticed quite alot of scientist’s believe in God for the simple reason that the universe is too perfect…but alot of them are too scared to say it out loud for they are contracted and have fear of speaking the truth…science proves alot of what the Quran says…go research brother…God made science we just discovered it!!!!
WELL WISHER
Well wisher
Any of the scientists does not believe in the miracles of Quran and thus they are unbelievers of Quran, Muhammad and Allah.
VIAGRA! shut your mouth you want to hear how bad i can diss you brother your name is perfect cus you think with your penis and not with your brain so i will call you viagra!
fool the name kufr is for anyone who hinders the true God in this world and who hate God so if that is you and you are not trying to educate yourself but sticking to the religion you are born into even if you are wrong then you are right you are a kufr and you are hell bound for that reason and that reason alone but if you want to have an intelligent debate about God let’s stop the name calling and treat each other as humans?
like i said to the other show some respect otherwise you both will have a long monologue you dumb guy..
know thy self if you think you sound like a peace loving hindi you are wrong…you sound more like an arrogant boastful kufr who doesn’t read properly anything i have written and is so bored with life you want to start a fight on the internet…lets see if you’re that strong when i meet you brother…”i live next door to you!” ;-P.
oh forgive my spelling sometimes i takes too long to write correctly to an ill informed illiterate a-hole such as yoursefls but to someone who wants to search for the truth about religion and God i will be nicer and spell correctly if i spell something wrong but for you i’ll show you the same respect you have shown me…
if you see yourself as a kufr and you come under the criteria then guess what demon prince you are one…sorry if the defination describes you then i guess thats what you are..
and since you are insolent to what i am saying without reading or understanding and you wish to be negative as if you are possesed by a demon then that’s what i’ll call Mr VIAGRA DEMON!.
two can play at disrespecting…and trust me brother you dont how good i can disrespect demons..THE ONLY THING I WONT DISRESPECT IS GOD AND THE BELIEVERS WHO WHEN THEY HEAR THE TRUTH UNDERSTAND IT!
WELL WISHER.
p.s that was an example of how easy it is to be negative i won’t entertain you unless you say something positive or truthful…READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN INSTEAD OF COMMENTING ON YOUR OWN IDEAS!!!!
OH AND SPEAK TO THE ACTUAL SCIENTIST OF HOW THEY TEACH THEY ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND OR KNOW TO BE TRUE!!!
ALOT OF SCIENCE IS CONJECTURE ASSUMPTIONS AND BLATANT ARROGANCE USING A WHOLE BUNCH OF UNKNOWNS TO EXPLAIN THEIR FAILINGS TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH I.E E=MC2 WHAT US C(A CONSTANT,WHERE DOES IT COME FROM???SCIENTIST I DON’T KNOW BUT WITH OUT IT OUR FORMULAS DONT WORK…WHY CANT THE UNKNOWN BE GOD AND EVERYONE JUST CHILL OUT AND FEED EACH OTHER AND LIVE HAPPILY???OH I KNOW WHY YOU’RE TOO BUSY ARGUING WHY YOU’RE AN A-HOLE)!!!
so as long as you speak what ever the website agrees with stays huh?nice nice to know democracy only works for the people who can freely disrespect other peoples beliefs because the majority agree life is better without truth????
that guy made more sense than you two did period!!!
you talk about how ill-informed he is on your religion but all you showed was how ill-informed you both were of his religion…
vajra dont you have no clue why they pray towrds the kaaba???they don’t pray to it or fashion it as a deity like some other religions do…also where did you get the grave worshippers from???oh i know from your head!;-)..i think you deserevd to not know the truth and be lost in yourself and intelligence…it took a long time for the guy to break and diss you too when the first thing you do is patronise what he said and call him names for what????powertrip???cus it certainly wasn’t for truth…otherwise you would have done your research before “giberrishly vomitting” i think was your quote mr kalbhairav????wow that wasn’t narrow minded at all or disrepectful…
and why do you mr kalbahairav give only this to any muslim as answer “go bomb everything”…what kind of advice is that???it seems you’re the violent one who incites violence…that guy didnt say anything but leave people to beileve what they want and if there is debate let’s have a logical one thats not based on ego..
and yes i don’t care about spelling…sue me!;-)
oh yeah and dont judge muslims by the violent misguided minority!!!
if that was the case then the whole human race has a serious problem judging by the prejudice and ignorance and intolerance that spews from all people of colour and race and religion including the peaceful ones like hinduism and buddhism let alone the monotheistic ones…all our religions,monotheistic or polytheistics fought wars we have blood on all our hands!!!!
if you read what well wisher said is don’t fight,learn!!!!
get over your ego humans…grow up it looks like were still in our teenage years as a race!!!
Namaste Well wisher aka whaaat????
I came to know that you were Hindu few years ago and converted to Islam. Why dont you come back to Vedic Dharm now?
What is that Quran gives you which Vedas dont give other than polygamy, sex slavery, teaching of abduction, loot and invasion?
@ VAJRA I SERIOUSLY ASK YOU TO LEARN WHAT IS IN THE QURAN BEFORE CONTINUING TO SPEAK WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNT THROUGH THE HADITH’S…
THE QURAN DOESN’T SPEAK OF “polygamy, sex slavery, teaching of abduction, loot and invasion” LIKE THE WAY YOU IMPLY YOU LOST GUY!!!
HAVE YOU KNOW SENSE YOU GUYS JUST SOUND ILL-INFORMED ABOUT THE QURAN!!!
I REPEAT TO ALL DHARMA FOLLOWERS “THE QURAN IS NOT WHAT THE HADITH’S PREACH OF ISLAM”
THE QURAN IS REVELAED SCRIPTURE!!!
THE HADITH’S ARE INTERPRATATIONS AND HEARSAY AMNGST THE MUSLIMS!!!!
ONLY THE QURAN CLAIMS IT IS SENT BY GOD!!!
THE HADITH’S DON’T AND CAN’T CLAIM THAT THEY A REVELEAED BY GOD AS THEY ARE INTERPRATIAIONS DONE BY HUMANS!!!!
WHEN WILL YOU DHARMA GUYS EDUCATE YOURSELF’S THROUGH SELF REALISATION LIKE WE ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO THAT’S HOW I CAME TO ISLAM…ISN’T THAT DHARMA TO SELF REALISE?
ISN’T SELF REALISATAION IN ITS ESSENCE SELF OPIONION…
YOU GUYS ARE THE BIGGEST BUNH OF HYPOCRITICAL LIARS I HAVE COME ACROSS AND YOUR PRIDE AND ARROGANCE REMINDS ME OF SOMEONE!!!!
YOU GUYS ARE FAKE PEOPLE OF GOD USING THE OPINION OF PEOPLE(SHOLARS ETC) WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT AND THEN CLAIMING SOMEONE’S OPIONION IS BETTER THAN SOMEONE ELSES’S!!!
YOU GUY’S CAN HAVE YOUR MONOLOGUE NOW…
YOU KEEP YOUR RELIGION TO YOURSELF AND I WILL SAFE GUARD MINE FROM LIARS AND HYPROCRITES SUCH AS YOURSELF…
YOU HAVE NO DHARMA LET ALONE COMMON SENSE TO READ THE QURAN….
I WON’T COME BACK TO HINDUISM ESP SINCE I KNOW WHAT YOU TEACH AND HOW THE FOLLOWERS PRETEND AND DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT DHARMA EVEN IS LET ALONE THE TRUE KNOWELEDGE THAT IS BASED ON REALITY…IF YOU COME BACK FROM THE DEAD TO THIS SAME EARTH WRITE AN ARTICLE OR A BLOG…I’LL BE SURE TO READ IT YOU A-HOLES!!!!
GOOD QUESTIONS WILL RECIEVE GOOD ANSWERS…
IGNORANT QUESTIONS WILL RECIEVE AN IGNORANT ANSWER!!!!
SALAAM
WELL WISHER
Well wisher aka Whaaat????
————THE QURAN DOESN’T SPEAK OF “polygamy, sex slavery, teaching of abduction, loot and invasion” LIKE THE WAY YOU IMPLY YOU LOST GUY!!!————
Will you leave Islam if I show you these practices in Quran, practiced by Muhammad himself, and allowed by Allah?
———–ONLY THE QURAN CLAIMS IT IS SENT BY GOD!!!————
There are thousands of books which claim their own divinity, whats so special about Quran?
————–THE HADITH’S DON’T AND CAN’T CLAIM THAT THEY A REVELEAED BY GOD AS THEY ARE INTERPRATIAIONS DONE BY HUMANS!!!!————–
So dont you believe in Hadith?
————–WHEN WILL YOU DHARMA GUYS EDUCATE YOURSELF’S THROUGH SELF REALISATION LIKE WE ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO THAT’S HOW I CAME TO ISLAM…ISN’T THAT DHARMA TO SELF REALISE?————–
Many rapists and pedophiles realized that their acts of rape and pedophilia are divine and allowed by God. How will you judge one’s or even your own realization that it is pure?
————YOU KEEP YOUR RELIGION TO YOURSELF AND I WILL SAFE GUARD MINE FROM LIARS AND HYPROCRITES SUCH AS YOURSELF…————
Why cant you debate over Quran and Vedas and loser leaves his belief? What say?
———–YOU HAVE NO DHARMA LET ALONE COMMON SENSE TO READ THE QURAN….———-
Probably because we have already read it
—————I WON’T COME BACK TO HINDUISM————–
I am inviting you to Vedas, not to so called Hinduism
You tell me your problems with Vedas, either I will leave Vedas today or you accept those
—————IGNORANT QUESTIONS WILL RECIEVE AN IGNORANT ANSWER!!!!————–
Thanks for acknowledging that your posts are ignorant
P.S. ANOTHER THING IF HINDU’S TRULY DON’T BELIEVE IN A CASTE SYSTEM WHY THEN ARE ONLY BRAHMINS ALLOWED TO BE BRAHMINS/PREIST’S?I KNOW EVERYTHING ELSE IS CHANGING DUE TO SECULARISM IN YOUR COUNTRY BUT WHY CAN’T ANYONE BE AN PRIEST IN YOUR RELIGION???OR HAS THAT CHANGED JUST CUS YOU “WISH” IT TO BE TRUE?FOR ISN’T THE CONCEPT OF REBIRTH CENTRAL TO THE REASON WHY WE ARE BORN IN OUR CASTE OF BRAHMIN’S,VAISHYA’S ETC IN HINDUISM…????
I HAVE ALSO HEARD INDIA HAS ADOPTED A NEW CASTE SYSTEM WHICH IS JUST AS RESTRICTIVE AS THE OLD ONE AS PEOPLE ARE BORN IN TO JOBS AS IT WERE/RESTRICTED BY THEIR CHOICE OF JOBS BY THE GOVERNMENT…
CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG..
I WANT ANSWERS!
WELL WISHER.
@well wisher
here is my answer.
Hinduism doesnt believe in caste system, but I personally do. I consider muslims as “achoot” untouchable . I dont even beat them with my own hands, but with a stick, so as not to defile myself.
Secondly, I am a pure blooded rajput warrior, the defender of the faith, you wanna fight me?
Lastly, if brahmins become priests or otherwise it is internall matter of hindu community, not for a bloody muslim like you to comment on. You comment I bash you, simple.
I am founding a nrew religion called anti-islam, problem?
that’s nice my non violent hindu and which scriputre did you get your dharma from
when hinduism claims a dharma of complete non violence you lost soldier in the woods…you will need a stick for your hands will not be able to touch a muslim..you jerk
cus you are too filthy to touch us hence why you have to use a pure woodem stick to touch us but the stick will bend due to Allah’s will and will turn to soft withering material that has no impact except on your own ego as once you have seen that you will realise it is you that you should be whipping for being an insloent boy who has understand of my relgion or your own..A-HOLE!!!!
what’s a rajput warrior anyways a warrior called “raj” that stays “put”?
STAY PUT JOKER AND LEARN SOME MANNERS THIS ISN’T YOUR DEBATE…AND IF YOU WANT IT TO BE TALK SENSE NOT VIOLENCE FOR MY TONGUE AND MY FIST IS WAY STRONGER THAN YOUR TYPING SKILLS!!!!
READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN I WAS BORN A HINDU BUT BECAUSE OF DUMB HINDU’S AND STUPID LAWS I LEFT MY RELIGION TO FIND THE TRUTH…AND THANK ALLAH I DID OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE TO BE ALONGSIDE A MORON WITH NO KNOWELEDGE LIKE AND WITH THAT KIND OF STUPIDITY I WILL SURELY LOSE ALL MY DEBATES/FIGHTS AND MY SOUL!!!!
BE SMARTER OR I WILL PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE!!!
GO ON BROTHER GO AND MAKE A NEW RELIGION BUT WITH YOU AS GOD SO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW YOU…FOR YOU ARE BLIND,DEAF AND DUMB AND TRULY A LOSER IN THIS LIFE AND THE HEREAFTER.
PEACE.
WELL WISHER.
@well wisher,
tuzhko mirchi lagi to mai kya karu? I can see that my point rammed home and you are upset and wrote the earlier treatise.
You muslims always find fault in others, and when the likes of agniveer, or others scholarly people find fault in islam , you complain about brahminism. What kind of idiots are you? Instead of doing instrospection, yu find fault in caste system, which is INTERNAL matter of hindu society, vis a vis muslims we are UNITED against a common enemy.
I am not brahmin, so you cant blame me about being a devious brahmin who wants to rule. Iam a rajput warrior, the defender of the faith from mlechhas like you. TRY fighting me, I got 1000 years experien ce of fighting muslims. Incidentally, even dalits and adivasis hate muslims . In gujarat, the adivasis were at the forefront of annihilting muslims. next time dont talk casteism. We hindus are united now.
I wont be able to touch a muslim, TRY ME, I can show you my past record, I threathened muslims in kashmir, what about rest of India. I am uniting all non-muslims in India against islam. Oh, and I would loooveeee to see the strength in your fists. I am a better warrior then you cowardly muslims can ever be, i ALONE am enough to take on all kashmiri mujjslims, with just one .50 calibre mahine gun, with bullets dipped in pig fat. Oh, and I dont have any qualms of conscience about shooting unarmed men, or shooting in the back, or shooting women and children.
HAR HAR MAHADEV
@WELL WISHER
dear brother, we equally condemn the caste system as much as you do. In fact, every member of this site considers caste systems to be anti humanity. Brother, hindus diverged from the path of Vedas long time back, but now its our responsibility to bring them back on the Vedic path. There is no sanction of the caste system in Vedas, its purely man made garbage. One of the best things you can do is circulate these articles about caste system amongst hindu pandits who support this nonsense and other hindus so we can all awaken them. Now, thanks to this site where I learned that this whole caste system is a hoax and I been happier to find out such nonsense is not even sanctioned in Vedas. Now, please do not show your hatred here, kindly show your hatred to all hindus who support this caste system. Show these articles to hindus who are ignorant towards Vedas. Many hindus are following this nonsense because they are unaware of its falsehood, and we have to alert not only hindus but all other religions so they do not judge the Vedic Dharam due to such stupidity.
As far as the hereafter go, brother, think of it, do you think there are such places like heaven or hell? If there are, why is there no scientific proof yet?? Today we have so much technology and equipment to discover the galaxy and other external realms but its amazing til now we could not spot heaven hell>
Heaven or Hell are only results of childish imaginations that have been propagated throughout centuries. It is a self refuting concept, so the more you believe in this stupidity, the more you distant yourself from intelligence.
well i’m glad we clraified the whole caste system debate and my anger wasn’t on that fact alone and since you have answere more respectully than others i will answer your question.
heaven and hell if you hadn’t noticed aren’t realms as such or even worlds in another part of the universe so there is no way to discover them only in death do you see what is real and what is not.
any how i don’t understand you’re argument/debate brother as there is NO PROOf that rebirth exists or has happened on any level the way you say it has!!!!
so we both are just talking from our own belief system and can only go by what we both feel is right…
i feel islam is right and you feel dharma is right and that is fair but to condemn religions on people who have yet to understand basic conepts of love and understanding which are words used outside of religion even athiest’s and agnostics used those words we already have a problem as with only with true understanding of these words and other words can we ever achieve what hindu’s want from the kalki avater and what muslims want from Allah..
scientific proof to find the hereafter is like trying to get to the edge of the universe which if you hadn’t guessed by now is scientifically impossible even today so how can you go into the realm of the dead when you can’t even go into the realm of the universe???
oh yeah brother vik who on earth said that heaven and hell are external realms?
nothing in any of the holy books claims such things so why are you…why i didn’t even claim such absurd things either so what are you talking about????
this site and the people who talk sound more hateful and spiteful and violent than you think you are!!!
you brothers aren’t peace loving like your dharma or even as peace loving as you claim to be!!!
if you are going to comment then understand why you are saying what you are saying!!!!
and do you truly claim intelligence when you have written something that deosn’t make sense???
what will you make up next that God can be found by a xray scope???
yeah that makes sense!!!!
know what you are saying…you are a tool for evil when you talk with such ignorance!!!
any how i don’t claim hinduism’s authenticity on the caste system…i asked a simple question and got stupid answer’s from people that don’t even understand the million books written on your religion cus you probably can’t read or understand the “intelligence” written in your books cus 1)it will take more than your lifetime to finish reading! and 2)if this is the “intelligence” you write after reading only a fraction of your holy dharma books then surely you are the one misguided???
if hinduism was truly a peaceful religion and didn’t fight then surely hinduism should have been wiped out 3000yrs ago when it was invaded by whoever invaded at the time???no?for if you don’t fight how can you defend your faith when your “dharma” says to excercise non-violence??
p.s. this other argument about krishna being born of a lower caste doesn’t make sense as he was born to a king and queen while they were imprisoned and krishna himself moved his body from his original mother’s womb and placed him in a surrogate’s mother womb who is in a village (i don’t know the specifics but please fill me in)
WELL WISHER
WELL WISHER
@WELL WISHER
There has been live proof of people experiencing reincarnation, so if what can be a better proof than reality itself hence it proves the hell heaven theory false!
Please tell me based on common sense what makes you believe more in the heaven hell concept over reincarnation? On what basis do all living entities today have their respective forms?
If heaven hell are not eternal, then what happens to all after heaven hell has perished? Does Allah recreate them?
No, we do not need an xray to prove the existence of ishwar. There are many things that exist around us that we cannot see, for example, electricity, but we know it is present since it operates our powered devices. The same way we cannot see Ishwar but we know He exists since we have various feelings in us. Now if your heaven hell realms existed, we should have definitely be able to see them or if not see them, at least feel them, but we do not? These are just imaginary stories.
There have been many scriptures in hinduism, but only Vedas are free from corruption whereas everything else were either corrupted or interpolated over the passage of time. Many of these corrupted scriptures oppose Vedas in many ways that is why they should be followed to an extent where they agree with Vedas, otherwise they should be rejected!
look brother the thing you need to understand is the concepts put forward in Islam according to Islam otherwise you are reading the wrong book!!!
God never once said in any of his books that you can find heaven or hell through any “human” means and only Allah can take you there to both of those places through his will…
does it make any sense if humans could go to heaven or hell right now???
think about it???go on think???
if heaven is the place of reward for the righteous in spirit and where there is peace and happiness and every wish that is desired and good according to Allah religion you can have…why on earth would humans once they have found such a place knowing the vastness of the area (it is told in the Quran that heaven and hell are so big the are never ending in size) which basically means every human being born from all the religions from all the ages could fit in their with still so much space left over and live in luxury and peace forever or get there due punishment forever…
now considering this is the concept of heaven and hell don’t you think if God allowed humans to find such places then surely what would be the point of God saying that only after his true and justice filled judgement will humans be entered in to these two realms…what would be the point if we could find it???don’t you think even you a veda would jump at the chance if such a true place as heaven existed and try to go there since it is eternal???and the meaning of eternal in islam for heaven and hell is forever and final..,.there is nothing after judgement!!!for God is perfect and doesn’t make error when He judges but you will only see that after yout test on earth is finished hence the final reward is either a “pass”/heaven or a “fail”hell and these are the only two results of our God in islam…nothing repeats forever like in the vedas for what power is their in that???it is easy for a god to create chaos just like it is easy for humans to create chaos but to create something final and perfect that last forever where there is no need for creation that takes a true God to do such a perfect miracle…
your points don’t make any sense cus it seems a lot of you who comment on my comments seem to know less of islam than i do of your vedas!!!!
this is truly pointless talking to people who are just proud and want nothing to know the truth with…there is no way any of you guys have read all of the holy books of the vedas last time i checked the volume number ran into it’s thousand’s possibly even more…you don’t have the time or the patience for that true knowledge to learn and correct yourself.
(which clearly shows when all of you comment with silly subtle aggressive behavior or outright aggressive behavior,i don’t mind i am supposed to stand up for the truth.)
and if you mean “proof” of reincarnation is someone saying “i used to be queen victoria in a past life”???then surely that’s the same as a prophet saying he is from God???anyone can talk brother but trust me on this one not everyone tells the truth!!!!
I mean who trusts the person who claims they are this person or that person from history??? I think I’ll stick to this person or that person who speaks the truth thank you and none of you have made sense to me no matter how many of you gang up on me(simple crass bullying tactics!) no one has made a perfect claim to the truth out of all who have commented on my comments…not a single one of you…you are all like me alive and breathing and waiting for Him!!!!
REMEMBER ACCORDING TO MOST RELIGIONS THERE ARE GOOD FORCES AT WORK AND BAD FORCES THAT WORK SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU SEE AS GOOD AND BAD AND THAT DECIDES WHO’S SIDE YOU ARE ON…BUT MARK MY WORDS CHOOSE CAREFULLY FOR IF YOU ARE RIGHT AND I DIE NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME EXCEPT I GET REBORN AS A PIG OR A MOSQUITO BUT IF I AM RIGHT THEN YOU SHOULD BE FEARFUL WHEN YOU FIND OUT AND MEET THE ONE TRUE GOD ALLAH AFTER YOU PASS AWAY(hopefully through old age,as everyone hopes to live a healthy and long life.)…FOR THERE IS A REWARD FOR BOTH THE GOOD PEOPLE AND THE BAD PEOPLE OF THIS EARTH AND UNIVERSE!!!
anyways i have no problem with certain aspects of vedas i even have my own theory on the vedas but that is def not for this page…the vedas could have been part of the monotheistic canon but you guys left home along time ago and never came back and you permanently changed certain aspects of your teachings in the original texts like so many have done after you that because of pride you are unwilling to correct them…be with you books and keep being reborn if you are true and you can tell someone in the future how you talk to an ignorant idiot called WELL WISHER and how he never believed you…i don’t mind being wrong but i do mind since neither of us can prove certain things with such accuracy in our life time…
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I SAY LEAVE IT TO GOD…
WE ALL FIND MEET WITH THE TRUTH IN THE END!
SALAAM.
P.S. in the Quran it also says we learn about Allah/God and His truths through watching and observing the universe..we can both agree on that at least right??or are you too proud to agree with me on something?
WELL WISHER
p.s what a silly question you have asked that i forgot to answer..your question was….”On what basis do all living entities today have their respective forms?”
are you really serious????ummm let me see Allah chooses what is created and what is not for He is God and God alone we don;t decide nothing otherwise guess what you funny guy??that’s right that would mean we are God/gods and surely if that was true what are we all doing here???let’s fly away!!!!lol…you guys are funny.common sense???get some first then we will talk!!!
WELL WISHER
Well wisher
———-God never once said in any of his books that you can find heaven or hell through any “human” means————-
Allah claims that one has to be believer of Muhammad to get heaven. what about your claim?
think about it???go on think???
————it is told in the Quran that heaven and hell are so big the are never ending in size————–
Heaven and hell have to be same for being never ending in size
————— but to create something final and perfect that last forever where there is no need for creation that takes a true God to do such a perfect miracle…————–
What about the earlier divine scriptures which could not remain final and perfect, did some false God send them? What was the need for creation of this world?
———-you who comment on my comments seem to know less of islam than i do of your vedas!!!!———–
you even dont know that Islam allows polygamy and sex slavery
So our ignorance of quran is justified 
—————there is no way any of you guys have read all of the holy books of the vedas last time i checked the volume number ran into it’s thousand’s possibly even more…—————-
Can you share with us your source which contained thousands of volumes of Vedas? Why are you lying my friend, its not the right place to do Taqiya
—————–REMEMBER ACCORDING TO MOST RELIGIONS THERE ARE GOOD FORCES AT WORK AND BAD FORCES—————
I know about Vedas, there are nothing like bad forces! But may I ask, why did Allah create “bad force” at all?
————-the vedas could have been part of the monotheistic canon but you guys left home along time ago and never came back—————
We believe in one Eeshvar. And why do you leave your home just because others are leaving it? Dont you have your own brain to apply?
—————I SAY LEAVE IT TO GOD…
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WE ALL FIND MEET WITH THE TRUTH IN THE END!
Why wait for the end? Why not try and get the truth right here in this life?
—————— in the Quran it also says we learn about Allah/God and His truths through watching and observing the universe..we can both agree on that at least right??—————-
And in this universe we see that God has perfect laws which are never broken. Thus all the miracles told in Quran are wrong.
——————- what a silly question you have asked that i forgot to answer..your question was….”On what basis do all living entities today have their respective forms?”
are you really serious????ummm let me see Allah chooses what is created and what is not for He is God and God alone we don;t decide nothing otherwise guess what you funny guy??—————–
When everything is decided by God then why some questions are silly?
Aren’t they asked because of the will of Allah? Or can someone say anything against Allah’s will?
—————–you guys are funny.common sense???—————
dont you know it needs common sense to make fun
I invite you to your home, Vedic Dharma.
you expect me to “come back home to the vedas” just because you say God who is all powerful(this is a central concept of even beleieving in a God,ohteriwse give up on religion and be a socialist or a humanist) and never speak of God again) but at the same time he can’t do what ever he wants with regard to his creation???you truly have no faith in a God…there is no point saying God this and God that when you feel you can understand infinity whcih is exactly what God is…
vaj you are foolish but it’s ok it was foretold that there will a billion strong community of various relions and races who turn against the one true God for they think they know Him when in actuallity noone does…
we have limited understanding and you talk as if you can understand God on a personal level that is a joke try to understand everything God knows and i gurantee you that you would be annihalted by His true presence for how a human handle infinity when he can’t even understand or handle the finite universe!!!
have you really read the Quran and cpme to those conclusions about “polygamy,sex-slaves etc..????”
then trust me you have made the same mistak as the billion strong muslims who have read their scripture wrong…
well done you have misunderstood such simplicitiy…
and what about the hadith’s???who claimed it was a revelation from Allah???did the last prophet???no!!!did Allah??no!!!!
p.s questions aren’t silly but dsrespecting is!!!
WELL WISHER
no it takes common sense to respect!!!
WELL WISHER
oh and the thing you said about peadophiles and rapist’s..a quote from VAJRA : “Many rapists and pedophiles realized that their acts of rape and pedophilia are divine and allowed by God. How will you judge one’s or even your own realization that it is pure?”…they aren’t self realised…you joker they are MENTALLY ILL or liars who want an excuse to do bad things you pick which answer suits you!!!!
and so are you for saying that!!!!
period!!!
oh yeah and VAJRA there are no evil forces at work huh??
tel that to me when an injustice befalls you by an evil person!!!
IDIOT!!!!
and maybe i do have my own brain and that’s why i left “home” to go HOME and maybe that’s why i follow Allah and not the muslims of today!!!!
FOOLISH BOY!!!
does Allah really claim this VAJRA???
your quote “Allah claims that one has to be believer of Muhammad to get heaven. what about your claim?”
REALLY is that TRUE????
last time i checked muhammed(pbuh) said that only through Allah can you get to heaven!!!!
joker!!!
Brother Well Wisher
No comments on your “long and exhaustive” comments anymore
What I am asking is why dont you come back to Vedic Dharm? How do you know I dont believe in One God? I do.
Can you give me the 50th verse of 33rd Surah from Quran?
Come back home Brother! Quran was for Arabs, not for us.
thanks
@VAJRA: your quote “—————IGNORANT QUESTIONS WILL RECIEVE AN IGNORANT ANSWER!!!!————–
Thanks for acknowledging that your posts are ignorant
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thanks for aknowledging you were asking ignorant questions!!!!
P.S. @VAJRA show me these quotes from the Quran that claim your absurd ideas and i will explain to you how i understand them and not threough any scholars or idiots but through my understanding of Allahs words which shoudl be just as good as someone as someone with a degree as aren’t we all humans with the capacity of deduction and using our brain since we are all equal in God’s eyes????
@VAJRA are you talking about this quote:
here are all the known tranlations of that verse written in english:
Welcome to the Quranic Arabic Corpus, an annotated linguistic resource for the Holy Quran. This page shows seven parallel translations in English for the 50th verse of chapter 33 (sūrat l-aḥzāb). Click on the Arabic text to below to see word-by-word details of the verse’s morphology.
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Chapter (33) sūrat l-aḥzāb (The Combined Forces)
Sahih International: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Pickthall: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father’s side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father’s side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother’s side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother’s side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage – a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers – We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess – that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
Yusuf Ali: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Shakir: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her– specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Muhammad Sarwar: Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whom you have given their dowry, slave girls whom God has given to you as gifts, the daughters of your uncles and aunts, both paternal and maternal, who have migrated with you. The believing woman, who has offered herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet may want to marry, will be specially for him, not for other believers. We knew what to make obligatory for them concerning their wives and slave girls so that you would face no hardship (because we have given distinction to you over the believers). God is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
Mohsin Khan: O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses – whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, – in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
Arberry: O Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughters of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers — We know what We have imposed upon them touching their wives and what their right hands own — that there may be no fault in thee; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
what this verse is refering to is who a musilim is allowed to marry you dope not who he can have sex with when ever he wants but he can choose from lawfully according Allah/God to marry as his lawful wife…this verse doesn’t claiom anything to do with sex slaves yopu evil man!!!
NOW I KNOW YOU ARE EVIL!!!!
you are also more illiterate than the prophet you make fun of!!!
Be GONE…i have sat here hearing your misghuided words of Allah but that’s the last of it you have NO CLUE as to what ISLAM and ALLAH preached to us you fiend!!!!
WELL WISHER
@all who have tried disrepect the truth by commenting insults instead of truth…
all your comebacks were all snide remarks that were offensive…
i’m still here wondering where this “i’ll take you out you muslim” is leading to???
nowhere it seems…
all VAJ can say is i won’t speak about you comments except to say “come back home”
well well VAJ “why don’t you come back home??”;-)
P.S you arrogant VAJ…
GOD IS FOR THE TRUE BELIEVERS WHO ARE FEW AMONGST BILLIONS AND NOT FOR THE MANY WHO ARE THE SELFISH AND THE PROUD!
BTW VAJ YOU DON’T BELEIVE IN THE ONE GOD…FROM EVERYTHING IREAD OF YOU AND MR KAL AND SAMEER AND THE KALKI AVATAR WANNABE MILITANT HINDU YOU ONLY BELIEVE YOURSELF!!!
I HOPE THAT WORKS OUT..
OH AND THANKS FOR GIVING UP!!!
I GUESS I STAY WITH ISLAM..
I WILL GO NOW CUS I DON’T REALLY LIKE THIS IGNORANT WEBSITE!!!
WELL WISHER
P.S. IF YOU WISH TO KNOW I READ THE BHAGAVAD GITA BEFORE I LEFT HINDUISM…
I’LL STAY WHERE I AM AND YOU CAN STAY WHERE YOU ARE…I DON’T MIND..WE CAN ONLY TRULY SAVE OURSELVES..LEAVE THE SAVING OF THE WORLD TO ALLAH/GOD/ESHEWAR..YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING…YOU CAN’T EVEN TALK THE TRUTH WITH ME ABOUT WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU MISGUIDED FELLOW…
YOU’RE RIGHT I’LL GO HOME BUT SO SHOULD ALL OF YOU WHEREVER THAT IS!
ALLAH IN ARABIC MEANS GOD NOT ZEUS OR JOVE ETC…CORRECT YOURSELF BY YOURSELF THE MORE YOU READ ANOTHER’S IDEA’S ON HOLY BOOKS THE MORE YOU WILL THINK LIKE SOMEONE ELSE AND NOT YOURSELF…
TAKE HEAD OF MY ADVICE FOR I WILL NOT REPEAT MYSELF…
FIND THE TRUTH BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE…
THE REASON VAJ YOU ARE A FOOL IS THAT IF YOU HADN’T NOTICED I HAVE FOUND MY ANSWER TO THE GOD QUESTION IT SEEMS YOU ARE STILL CONFUSED FOR ALL YOU CAN DO IS DISRESPECT ME RATHER THAN CONVERSE…
RUN AWAY FROM THE TRUTH THAT’S ALL WHAT EVIL PEOPLE CAN DO WHEN THEY HEAR THE TRUTH OF ALLAH…
WELL WISHER SIGNING OFF THIS WEBSITE FOR MY WORK HERE IS DONE!
WHEN ALLAH COMES IT WILL BE AT A TIME WHEN NOONE EXPECTS..EVEN IF ALL OF THE HUMANS HAD THEIR EYE’S AND EARS OPEN 24/7 THEY STILL WON’T BE READY!!!
ALLAH SAVE THE MISGUIDED AS ONLY YOU CAN!!!
“Worship, study, charity, austerity, truth, forgiveness, compassion and freedom from greed, this is the eightfold path to Dharma.
The first four can also be performed by a hypocrite, but the last four can only exist in a great soul.”
GET IT???
WELL WISHER
Well wisher
————–and maybe i do have my own brain and that’s why i left “home” to go HOME and maybe that’s why i follow Allah and not the muslims of today!!!!—————-
How did you know that Quran is word of God and Vedas are not?
————–last time i checked muhammed(pbuh) said that only through Allah can you get to heaven!!!!————-
Visit http://agniveer.com/3839/islam-the-religion-of-tauheed/
——————–show me these quotes from the Quran that claim your absurd ideas and i will explain to you how i understand them and not threough any scholars or idiots—————-
Do you understand Arabic?
————————-Sahih International: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives]—————-
Can you elaborate more on WIVES of prophet and RIGHT HAND POSSESSIONS [OF CAPTIVES] under the light of your previous claims that Allah did not allow polygamy or sex slavery?
————–I GUESS I STAY WITH ISLAM..————-
Islam without Hadith, without the verses of slavery and polygamy! This is some new Islam I have heard of for the first time
All the best
@VAJ…you quoted this quote from the Quran:
Sahih International: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives]—————-
Can you elaborate more on WIVES of prophet and RIGHT HAND POSSESSIONS [OF CAPTIVES] under the light of your previous claims that Allah did not allow polygamy or sex slavery?
the actual quotes i have found are these:
Sahih International: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Pickthall: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father’s side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father’s side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother’s side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother’s side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage – a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers – We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess – that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
Yusuf Ali: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Shakir: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her– specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Muhammad Sarwar: Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whom you have given their dowry, slave girls whom God has given to you as gifts, the daughters of your uncles and aunts, both paternal and maternal, who have migrated with you. The believing woman, who has offered herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet may want to marry, will be specially for him, not for other believers. We knew what to make obligatory for them concerning their wives and slave girls so that you would face no hardship (because we have given distinction to you over the believers). God is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
Mohsin Khan: O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses – whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, – in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
Arberry: O Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughters of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers — We know what We have imposed upon them touching their wives and what their right hands own — that there may be no fault in thee; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
again you have misunderstood this quote as meaning he can have sex with these women when it talks of who muslims are allowed to marry!!!
what Allah says here is that muslim’s wives are only lawful to them if they the muslim men have paid their dowry to the wives and only then are the wives lawful to them and until they have paid..even if they marry them the women of Islam.if they have not paid dowry or the women do not accept for any reason,then even if the muslim man calls that woman his wife and has a ring on her finger she is not lawful to him…and also Allah also says any captives of war that accept marriage from a muslim after thier country,land has been defeated by the muslims are also lawful to them but only as long as the women accept the muslim man who wants to marry them..also the term “what thy right hand posseses” is a statement from Allah meaning anyone that a muslim owns lawfully i.e. slaves(because having slaves was not uncommon in those days before it was abolished by this fake modern belief that slavery doesn’t exist anymore cus they aren’t called slaves but are now called by another name “minimum wage earners!!!”..these modern people of all countries then went on to enslave everyone by pricing everything so expensive and still paying them a wage of £1/1rupee/$1/1yen etc per hour so that can never buy anything they desire which in essence is still slavery except the deluded think they are getting paid but all they can buy for their family is a loaf of bread like the way i grew up where even buying oil and rice was hard!) and you have to remember when muslims use the term slaves they really mean what modern people call maid-servants/butler’s and this includes what other humans in other cultures call lower caste humans i.e. what hindu’s call poor people) they can be with each other freely and do what they wish that has been ordained for them blessed by Allah through marriage as Allah has made everyone equally available to be eligible to marry eachother whether they are rich or poor!
by the way VAJ Islam without the Hadith’s is how Islam first came to the muslim’s through Muhammed (p.b.u.h) you JARHEAD!!!!
just incase you ask about this verse:
and when Allah says returned slaves He means those who after battle had lost and converted to Islam (or what alot of converts call themselves nowadays: “reverts” as in they reverted(returned) back to the original and true One God religion!!!) are also allowed in Islam to wed a muslim male or female who is with Muhammed (pbuh) if they both fall in love with each other freely of their own choice..as they are not considered non-believers if they convert or “return” to Allah.
“and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers”…
…what this verse means is that if a woman who is a true believer falls in love with the prophet and the prophet falls in love with her then Allah will protect their love and make sure they are together and this only applies to the prophet for he is protected by Allah for the duty he carries and the burden of truth he endures for Allah therefore Allah has blessed him in whatever he desires if whom he desires,desires him back but if whom he desire’s does not want/love him the prophet won’t be able to marry her but if they love each other then even oceans and mountains will not separate them as Allah has promised full blessings and help for what ever the prophet desires for that is his gift for truly believing and never doubting Allah and always speaking the truth about knowing that there is no God but Allah…this is also known to others of as the “luck of God”/”or what pagan’s now call “good luck”…that should make sense to you right for whoever is the truest believer and does all that God asks of them surley he deserves to be happy and have stress-free life where thing should comes easy since his protector is none other than Allah/God.for instance in the story of mahabarata,when arjuna lost his army to his cousins when krishna asked whether they wanted krishna on their side or the best warriors from arjuna’s side???they chose arjuna’s best men obviously and since arjuna only had krishna he felt despair until he realised that krishna is God incarnate therefore he had the army the size of infinity as he had God on his side therefore arjuna won the battle with ease even though he was outnumbered and sure to fail???”God luck”…do you understand now????
I’m waiting brother VAJRA?????
La illaha ill Allah!
WELL WISHER
Salam bro Vajra and bro Well Wisher
Islam should be properly understood in the light of Quran, Sahih Hadith and the holy life of prophet Mohammad (SAW). Bro Vajra you have not learnt Islam through correct sources and that is why you are confused. You can clarify your misconceptions by going through Dr. Zakir Naik’s articles and videos.
Dont try to learn Islam from Anti Islamic websites. If Allah wants you to come to the truth, no one in the world can stop you, but you should give a fair attempt to search for it.
Bro Well Wisher you are enthusiastic and zealous about spreading the truth of Islam but I think you need more research and reading of the Islamic literature. Sahih Hadith provide the context to the verses of Quran as well as the great life of our beloved prophet. So Hadith are compulsory to understand Quran and thus we should have belief in those too.
Our Shahada is “La ilaha Illillah Muhammadur Rasoolallah” which means there is no God except Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is His final messenger. If anyone thinks that he can read a portion of it and leave the rest, he insults Allah.
Please do not say that 99% Muslims are on wrong path. There are black sheep in every community, so Islam also have those but it is not right to say that all Muslims are wrong.
We Muslims are on the path of Iman Alhamdulilla and will get Jannah Inshallah. So just follow Quran and Sahih Hadith, rest all will be judged by Allah. And please dont spread misinformation about Islam. May Allah show you the right path and to all hindu Brothers here.
thanks
Imran
Namaste Imran and Well Wisher
We have nearly 25 articles here on Agniveer exposing the terrorist Zakir Naik. Can you refute one?
And thanks for showing to Brother Well Wisher his true status as per ISLAM
@ Well Wisher
Now debate with this Jihadi disciple of terrorist Naik and convince him that belief in Muhammad is not as important as belief in Allah and your Kalma should be “Lailah illillah” only and not “Muhammadur Rasoolallah”
gOD is great I don’t know your name But Dear now todaY I will cleaR all the Thnigs pls Don’t be hurt as I will not adopt the way of talking like u talk…. FirsT of All our ISLAM gives us a way to live all the islamic values are awesome go to the google and see by yourselve how many people are getting muslim DAYBYDAY why? bcz Islam has a total followable life of prophet S.A.W.S who spent a generous life really now tell me Stupidman? how many of you HINDUS follow your RAM, laxma, or hANUMAN what are there teachings? is there anything they left from the help of it you spent your life? I know what they gave to u or u adopt by urselve…
pls don’t liE Afraid of Allah or your GOD these all things are 100% truth what I am saying..
HINDU dharam yes hy…pls naraz nhn hoiega Islam in tamam batoun ki mukhalfat opposite hy.
1–)NUDITY–as mention and shows in your Dramas, films, clearly.
2–)sexual language as mention in Murder2, dirty picture etc these are the things u are conveying to your new generation..SHAME on U.
3–)NEW Bhagwans Sachin tendulkar, Amitab bachan etc..Lanat hy ese mazhab pe jisme 1 khuda na ho HAD hy.
4–)worship of many GODs for sex also like Yoni and shive :/ is this justifieD…
5–)even you can check in your history about multi worshipings of your Bhagwans… so you asking me to follow which REligion which donot have a appropriate GOD or Creator and leAVe my only Allah– so Hear The Quran says And The Mighty Allah creates all the things instead the many idols they worship doesnot Create a single Bee.
6–)will I worship which religion which tells a lot of corruption in the olden days about Caste and religion not talking about present..if such problems are solve Greatly at present so whay about the pasT..
7–)The fact is fact the Slaves of young girls and other man behaved like animal is the history of hinduism.
todaY I will cleaR all the Thnigs pls Don’t be hurt as I will not adopt the way of talking like u talk…. FirsT of All our ISLAM gives us a way to live all the islamic values are awesome go to the google and see by yourselve how many people are getting muslim DAYBYDAY why? bcz Islam has a total followable life of prophet S.A.W.S who spent a generous life really now tell me Stupidman? how many of you HINDUS follow your RAM, laxma, or hANUMAN what are there teachings? is there anything they left from the help of it you spent your life? I know what they gave to u or u adopt by urselve…
pls don’t liE Afraid of Allah or your GOD these all things are 100% truth what I am saying..
HINDU dharam yes hy…pls naraz nhn hoiega Islam in tamam batoun ki mukhalfat opposite hy.
1–)NUDITY–as mention and shows in your Dramas, films, clearly.
2–)sexual language as mention in Murder2, dirty picture etc these are the things u are conveying to your new generation..SHAME on U.
3–)NEW Bhagwans Sachin tendulkar, Amitab bachan etc..Lanat hy ese mazhab pe jisme 1 khuda na ho HAD hy.
4–)worship of many GODs for sex also like Yoni and shive :/ is this justifieD…
5–)even you can check in your history about multi worshipings of your Bhagwans… so you asking me to follow which REligion which donot have a appropriate GOD or Creator and leAVe my only Allah– so Hear The Quran says And The Mighty Allah creates all the things instead the many idols they worship doesnot Create a single Bee.
6–)will I worship which religion which tells a lot of corruption in the olden days about Caste and religion not talking about present..if such problems are solve Greatly at present so whay about the pasT..
AND last but not the leaSt what anout kamaSutra and other BAD deeds like SATTI in your religion as u are asking to join such which take THe women in fire after his husbanD
@skphero –frnd of hindus the best but misguided
Brother, they are misguided by Shaitan. But who created shaitan to misguide them people. It is not other than Allah. Quran Allah is biggest Shaitan who had created Shaitan.
__________NUDITY–as mention and shows in your Dramas, films, clearly________________
How will it be interesting sex with 72 virgins in heaven as per Quran & Hadith. My mouth is watering even to listen this.
__________sexual language as mention in Murder2, dirty picture etc these are the things u are conveying to your new generation..SHAME on U________________
there should be ban on this as in Afghanistan. YOu should go from here & live in AFganisatan.
_____NEW Bhagwans Sachin tendulkar, Amitab bachan etc..Lanat hy ese mazhab pe jisme 1 khuda na ho HAD hy.__
Brother they are messenger of Allah. They are come to teach us (as Mohamad came) in their respective field like how to play, how to act etc. Because Allah is dependent on postman to deliver its massage.
__________worship of many GODs for sex also like Yoni and shive :/ is this justifieD__________
Brother, you mean to show they should worship Kaba stone. But how can Kaba stone give benefit them? Why Muslim bow head before Kaba stone. Kiss the black stone.
__________even you can check in your history about multi worshipings of your Bhagwans_____
Yes brother they should. They should know history “What was Allah doing before this universe creation? ”
___The fact is fact the Slaves of young girls and other man behaved like animal is the history of hinduism__
Why HIndu do not support this. If this is true as Muslim support the idea of making slaves to woman , do sex with them & sex with mothers and sisters. Incest is allowed in Islam. What a animal theory in Islam.
And do not forget this http://agniveer.com/6087/shuddhi/#comment-58645
Reply to Truth seeker/// And a very imp. reply to some Hindu calims About there brothers muslimzz
1–)as u claim about 72Virgins so Hear these were the virgins which Allah specially Creates for those Who Did good deeds in the world This life ..so 4example iF i ask i want ur Rolex watch will u give me.. or IF i ask u not to wear it so will u follow my command ?? NO.. so what is your PROBLEM if Allah Rewards his followers with this giFt .. u will also get if u bcum muslim.. But forthis u have to avoid the steps which i mention in my paragraph on which Hinduism based/// sory but The FAct ..new Bhagwans,nudity,Caste and creeds pls dont take iT..:/
2-_) shukar hy Allah ka ap ne ye to mana k apki films kya conveyy krhi hen aur apki Generation kya seekh rahi hy so TO all HINDUS kya aplog unlogo ko follow kroge us mazhaB ko jo burai BEhayai ka Dars De.. Remember Good and Bad are not equaL//
3–)As u say About Kabba so We go There For Hajj not 4 worshiping as It is our Home ..if i ask u not to Go to ur home will u AGree?? or i saY dont go to ur home u are doing shirk by going there or i stop u To do rounds around ur home ?? is this shirk But i said What u do u cReates New idols and make them gOD by supposing they can Harm or Benefit u .. whY this?:?
4–) now There is not a single World Allahpak is the Sustainer of all anD He is the lorD of the universe.. we can feel Him when if we do gooD deeds it is far more better than Watching a young Halfly Weard hindu Girl… bcz u people Condemn HIJAB na ! so u feel thaT.. is This hinduism Teach???
cont,,
skphero –frnd of hindus the best but misguided
What you said does not make any sense. Some of your statements were written in hindi but was not convincing enough to understand. But You said,
—-now There is not a single World Allahpak is the Sustainer of all anD He is the lorD of the universe.. we can feel Him when if we do gooD deeds it is far more better than Watching a young Halfly Weard hindu Girl… bcz u people Condemn HIJAB na ! so u feel thaT.. is This hinduism Teach??———-
what good deeds are you talking about??? enjoying 72 houris, assassinations, plunder, ambushing, rape, child molesting, terrorism??????. You talked about Hijab. Do you know it’s origin???? It was suggested by Umar and accepted by Allah. Now think your (so called) ruler of the universe needs suggestion from a primitive man. Does not it sound absurd??? The hindu girl wearing half dress irritated you much but you started wetting your clothes when you were assured to have 72 houris. Lol
———–As u say About Kabba so We go There For Hajj not 4 worshiping as It is our Home ..if i ask u not to Go to ur home will u AGree?? or i saY dont go to ur home u are doing shirk by going there or i stop u To do rounds around ur home ?? is this shirk But i said What u do u cReates New idols and make them gOD by supposing they can Harm or Benefit u .. whY this?:?——–
I ask how Kaaba became your home?? Lets agree that’s your home but according to you, you go to home for a week in a whole life time (i.e. Hajj). This is funny. Some of the muslim fellows can’t even go there for want of money. Isn’t Kaaba in the centre of the earth, buddy????? If that be so how can you point a (unique) centre on the surface of a globe????
Dear Agniveer
Dear Agniveer
Wonderful article, please clarify the meaning of the following (purification act – MUSALA, PESTLE, KUSHA), Also can you able to give some web reference about
(Ramanuja-communist) – Dr.Manmohans’s daughter writings etc,
Islam entered India through front door and Christianity entered India through back door. Now dictating terms for the house owner. 80% of Indian Muslim & Christian ancestors are Hindus. Hence I request all to come out of the false Abrahamic desert religion .
When do we expect coming of Bhagavan Kalki… an Avatar of present era… a messiah competent to uplift Dharma (righteousness)! In times of strife… when mutual trust amongst each other reaches its lowest ebb… coming of a messiah (Avatar) gets necessitated! Even man gods like Mahavira, Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammed fail in such circumstances!
Who shall be Bhagavan Kalki is the biggest question! Coming of a man god coupled with powers of Chanakya (most able administrator in history of mankind) is only solution! Humanity looks forward to such a one… an ordinary mortal that against all odds upholds Dharma (righteousness) and succeeds in re-establishing peace tranquility abound!
Thankyou for speaking the truth openning our eyes about that cunning person Dr.Zakir Naik,please accept my gratitude & well wishes
u shud read the proper hymn what he said not the edited version go to http://www.sacred-text.com n u wil see tat what u have mentions abt demon n other things its nt that…. see the proper translation …
Why Mohammad is not the Kalki Avatar
We are all accustomed to the little Jakir Naiks copying and pasting utter nonsense about Mohammad being the Kalki Avatar. They are unfortunately taking some verses out of Bhavisya Purana that prophesies birth of a demon as proofs of Hindu scriptures claiming Mohammad as being the long waited avatar of Vishnu. Without even understanding they are repeatedly portraying him as the worst demon of Hinduism. That’s why people need to read the Hindu scriptures before they copy and paste.
Here are some specific examples from the life of Kalki Avatar that obviously show Mohammad cannot be possibly the long awaited avatar. Thanks to Rabindro Nath Roy for presenting this in a fluent manner.
1) kalki’s birthplace:
village: shamval
dist: moradabad
location: on the narmada river
state: orissa
2) parents:
father’s name: vishnuyasha
mother’s name: sumati
caste: brahamana
3) remarkable:
at birth parasuram, kup, vyas, ashthvama and others meet him in the guise of young sanyasins.
4) brothers and sisters:
a) brothers:
1) kavi
2) prajna (pragya)
3) sumantak
b) sisters:
none
5) order among the brothers:
fourth
6) the then king:
king vishakhayup
7) education:
from: gurukula
place: the mountain of mahendra (orissa)
subjects: vedas, archery and armor
teacher: parasuram
8. meditation and blessings of lord shiva:
meditates on lord shiva and he blesses him with a fast-riding horse, which can understand his intention and take him there.
shiva also gives him a ‘shuka’ bird who is a ‘pundit’ and will help him.
he gives kalki a sword which will be so powerful nothing can withstand.
9) friends:
garga, varga, bishal
10) marriage:
with princess padmavati of sinhala
now the question arise:
did mohammed marry a princess?
were mohammed’s parents brahamanas?
did mahammed have 3 elder brothers?
did mohammed learn the vedas from parasurama?
did mohammed come to preach and establish the vedas?
did he have those friends and brothers?
did he worship lord shiva?
did those sanyasins meet him at birth?
11) and why did kalki avatara come?
to establish the vedas which existed before him. mohammed came to cancel all the books that came before him and to establish the koran. i wonder what are some people getting at!
Rabindra da continues vibrating what I mentioned, “i shall not make any comment on the bhavishya purana as mohammed fits to be a demon there and islam a demonic faith. it is really sad that muslims themselves are degrading and defaming their faith. it is only god who knows what he has set these preachers of islam to.”
Some helpful resources: http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com/
@ Totagoto
One simple question to you Sir….
Why all Avatars of Hinduism belong to Brahmanas caste….???
Wont the Avatars come in other castes like Shudras…???
These are costly avatars ah….???
This shows your dominance over others……
What do you know about caste system of Vedas?
Whats there in vedas….???..You ll tell all are equal before God….then why you call you as Brahmin…Why only Brahmins are allowed inside temple for doing Pujas…???
In comparison, Mohammed’s preachings made ppl to live together equally in his lifetime…
Till now Vedas is not able to do that…why???
Thinking practically Mohammed’s preachings would help to improve our lifestyles…Dont write Vedas has all things…tell me practically…if it was achieved already…
I can also write things such as….”Don’t think about bad”…while saying so..I may think about something bad….so thoery is completely different than practical…
An analysis would help you a lot….
SSS you know very little about hinduism Lord Krishna is from lower caste and not a brahmin. He is is is from Yadav community, which is a lower caste OBC/SC in today’s context and even Brahmins worship him and you cannot judge a religion by some part of its members and if you judge like that then whole Muslims are Osama Bin Laden and terrorists.
Very good @Kaffir786:
You yourself has agreed to say….”Krishna is from lower caste”…which doesn’t mean you are still in the concept of “Casteism”…
Does you have any proof that “Krishna belongs to lower caste”…???
Why vedas is still not able to achieve the eradication of casteism which Mohammed was able to achieve in his lifetime…???
SSS it is you who have believed in the Caste System and asked about the Caste of Hindu Gods even Brahmins never asked the Caste of Gods so I used your own logic to show that there is no caste system as per your logic, definitely you are Pakistani otherwise you have known Yadavs are SC/OBC and did not have asked foolish question. If there is really Caste System in Hindus why did Lord Krishna choose to be born in a lower caste Home as per your standard.
SSS who told you there is no caste system in Islam, that itself shows that you do not know anything Hinduism or Islam there is 100000 TIMES STRONGER CASTE SYSTEM IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES BY YOUR OWN LOGIC see below for example
BRAHMINS MULLAHS
KSHATRIYA AMIRS
VAISHAIYS BUSINESS CLASS OF MUSLIMS
SHUDRA Poor Muslims, Non Muslims, woman’s
earlier Black Muslims also.
Now do not tell the nonsense that there is no caste system in Islamic Countries, in Islamic Countries a poor muslim cannot question a Mullah or Amir otherwise his whole family will be butchered, a non Muslim cannot drink water from a Masjid otherwise his whole community will be butchered like in Pakistan when a Hindu boy named Dinesh drink water from Masjid whole Hindus were butchered for this and we know how Muslims have sold black people in slavery.
Stupid…
How come you call me as Pakistani…..??? Dont you have something in your mind….???
You should be a stupid Brahmin…thats why you are behaving like this….
First analyze and then quote….
You stupid….
Will you marry a girl from lower caste…??? Where will it go if you come across marriages…Why you are not popularising such marriages…???
First do and then show me….if you are really following Vedas or not…
Calling other with your words such as Pakistani….I think this is how you are dealing with Muslims….and thats how your Vedas taught you?????
Others: Sorry…I didn’t try to blame Vedas here…as u ppl do to Quran and Hadith…I also love Vedas….but this guy called me as Pakistani….thats why….
Ha Ha nice brother I am not a Brahmin in fact I want to root out caste system completely . I believe in only one caste Hinduism/Sanatan Dharam or Believer in Vedas.
By the way when you people cannot answer you use this type of techniques.
//Will you marry a girl from lower caste…??? Where will it go if you come across marriages…Why you are not popularising such marriages…???//
You are talking about stupid birth based caste system which is against vedas. Vedic
vedic system is based on kharma.
@SSS
I am not a stupid brahmin. I am a pure blooded rajput warrior, the defender of the faith, and I hate muslims and want to wipe them out from the whole world, atleast in India.
How can you soooo naive, that all islam haters are brahmins? That shows the inferiority complex you muslims have. I also know lots of dalits and adivasis who hate muslims and want to fight them. Know what happened in gujarat? the adivasis were at the forefront of muslim annnihilation.
Nect time, dont lay YOUR blame on the doorsteps of brahmins. Look inside yorself, and correct your mustakes.
@SSS
So going by your logic, if the readers of TinTin and Twinkle can’t comprehend The Fountain Head, then Aryn Rand becomes useless !!!
Why don’t you analyse your comments yourself, before making it Live !
@ Proud to be A Kafir :
I dont know what you try to achieve this from the above comments…
@ SSS
You wrote – Till now Vedas is not able to do that…why???
My reply – If people can’t take the wisdom of vedas, then who is to blame – people or vedas???
you further wrote that muhammad’s preaching helped people improve lifestyle.
My ans: I don’t see muhammad preaching anything new except – Polygamy, Keeping Sex-Slaves/concubines. Murdering innocents, Dividing humanity into – Believers and Non-Believers..
Now it all depends how you comprehend things !!
hope this is much clear !
Thanks Sir @ Proud to be A Kafir :
Thats what I am also telling….
Mohammed proved and spread his teachings…I am able to understand how was the society at his time and how he changed….thats why I like him and love him so much…
I really loved his preachings because…ppl wont follow anyone that much easily….unless until he proves to be such a great person in his life….
Jews and Christians…opposed him not because of “he as not a good man”..but because of his principles…but even I saw so many wise Jews got converted to Islam while he was alive….
Moreover he was not taught in any university and the Quran he wrote was with literature of high quality…
We can also write things….but ppl wont follow…unless a good follower is preaching the principles….
We can also show Vedas to world….showing Vedas have the things…we dont have a person…who lives the word of Vedas…thats why ppl are not following…
Mohammed achieved that and we are not able to achieve that is due to the above reasons….Thats how…I love Mohammed that much through his teachings and preachings and the way he lead the ppl….
Dear sss , if u want to know a person who lives the word of vedas ,,,he is
YUGRISHI , VISIONARY of GOLDEN ERA , TAPONISTH PT . SHRIRAM SHARMA ACHARYA. To know more about him ,go through this site http://www.awgp.org. He has written 3200 books on all aspect of life , he done bhasya of vedas, purans, smiriti, darshan, upnishad Read it u will get all ur answer,,,
sss,check the articles on caste system
//In comparison, Mohammed’s preachings made ppl to live together equally in his lifetime…//
The prophet Muhammad is known for his hatred towards Christians and Jews. He called them apes and pigs and ordered their slaughter and in one case he commaded his Mujahideen fighters to burn them with fire.
While Osama bin Zayd, preparing his troops to invade the Christian lands, the prophet Muhammad commanded him saying, “attack them in the darkness of the dawn and fall on them killing and burn them with fire and invade them and return with the booty.” Those words of the prophet Muhammad could be found in the most authentic Islamic books which are known as the Mothers of the Islamic Books and approved by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif University. Just to mention few of them (Ibn Habib in al-Mahabir p 117, Ibn Kathir in al-Bedaiah wa al-Nihaiah p 139, 143, Ibn Said al-Nas in ‘Auion al-Atharig p 145, al-Suhili in Rawd Alanif p 24, Ibn Hisham p 245, and al-Tabari in Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Milook p 156).
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jiziyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low” [Another translation says] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
Bukhari: V5 hadith no. 727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘that is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
The Slaughter of the Jewish tribe of Bani Qurizah,
Muhammad: Oh brothers of monkeys and pigs
The trembling Jews replied: Oh Abu al-Qasim, you have not been a bad man!! (Ibid; 392, quoting from Ibn Kathir, al-Bedayia p. 120).
The prophet called out to them: Oh brothers of monkeys. Does Allah disappointed you and send on you his curse?
The Qurizah understood the message and replied in fear: Oh Abi al-Qasim, you have not been an ignorant man (Ibid, quoting from al-Bihaqi, al-Tarikh p. 582).
The Jews of Qurizah continued to plead with Muhammad `and beg him to send to them one of their allies, a man by the name of Abi Libabah bin Abd al-Nuziar al-Awasi.
When Abi Libabah entered their garrison, the men rose, the women wept, and the children cried to him. When he saw them he had pity on them.
They said to him: oh Abi Libabah, do you think we should go out for the judgment of Muhammad?
He said, yes, and then he passed his finger across his neck, which means, the slaughter.
Then their leader, Ka’ab bin Asaad said to his people: Let us follow Muhammad and believe in him.
They replied: We will not leave the judgment of the Torah forever.
He said to them: Then let us kill our children and women and go out to Muhammad.
They said: Shall we kill these harmless children and women? What is the good of life after them? (Al-Qimni 2004: 393-394, quoting from al-Tabari p. 583).
Finally the men of Bani Qurizah decided to go out and meet Muhammad hoping that the other Medinian tribes would intercede with the Prophet and request him to send them with their women and children out of Yathrib as he did before with the other two Jewish tribes. As soon as the Jewish men emerged out of their garrison, the prophet ordered his men to bind them with ropes and march them in a long queue (Ibid: 394, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 583). Then the prophet asked his men to dig many ditches inside the city (Ibid). After so many pleadings from the leaders of the Medinian tribes of al-Khaziriq and al-Awas, Muhammad agreed that Sa’ad bin Mu’aaz should decide the fate of the Jews (Ibid, quoting from al-Tabari p. 586).
Al-Tabari narrated that Sa’ad bin Mu’aaz was dying. During the siege of the city, an arrow hit his hand and caused a cut on one of his nerves. The prophet tried to heal him by heating a nail and burning the nerve. In doing that Muhammad thought the bleeding would stop. However, the burning nail worsened the cut and caused the nerve to swell. When the Prophet repeated the same treatment the nerve exploded (Ibid: 395). In his dying state Sa’ad was carried to the Prophet. When Muhammad saw him he ordered the Jews to stand to their Master. “When Sa’ad was put down by his carriers the prophet asked him to judge on them. He said, I judge on them that the men should be put to death, their wealth divided, and their women distributed as jawari among the Muslims. The prophet said to him, you have judged on them with the judgment of Allah that has been given to you from seven heavens” (Ibid: 395, quoting al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 586).
The horrifying slaughter was described by al-Tabari as follows:
They brought first the enemy of Allah, Huaya bin Akhatab, while his hands were bound to his neck by a rope. (Huaya was the father of Safiya bint Huaya whom the Prophet killed her husband and brother and took her as his wife). When Huaya saw the Messenger of Allah, he said to him, I swear by God, I have never blamed myself for your enmity. Then, Huaya turned to the people and said, oh people there is no fear from the judgment and the Book of God, it is an honor written by God to the children of Israel to die as martyrs. Then, he sat down and his neck was beheaded… Ali bin Talib and al-Zibiar continued to strike their necks… It is assumed that their blood reached the oilstones that are at the market (Ibid: 396, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh pp. 588-589).
The narrators of the sira differed in the number of the Jewish men who were killed on that fateful day. Some said six hundred, some seven hundred, some eight hundred, and some nine hundred (Ibid: 396). Al-Qimni states, “And we learn from our heritage a new thing happened in that slaughter. The slaughter was not restricted to men only, but included little boys too” (Ibid: 398 referring to al-Tabari p. 591). Then the victims were buried in those big holes or ditches that the Muslims dug.
@SSS
I am kalki avtaar, and I am born to wipe out islam from the world, and make the world a better place.
HAR HAR MAHADEV
@ Razzak
Please see the following link where the place of birth and name of the parents of Bhagwan Kalkin Avtar is given indetail which is in Orissa, India. Also a whole description is given there which makes it very clear that Zakir Bhai is either totally ignorant or is a great lier in this case at least.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/kalki_the_next_avatar_of_God.htm
I have read so many books and I didn’t find any issues with the life of Mohammed. His life is too good and even as a King, he was too simple living in a very small house. I really loved him. A person who lead that life practically would qualify for Moksha. In the entire history of World, I don’t find a person equal to him. I don’t know whats the problem with you all guys in accepting his preachings…
So you have not read the hadith. or you did not write ` I don’t know whats the problem with you all guys in accepting his preachings`. he was a rapist, mass murderer.
@Totagoto: He was really a good man. Nobody complained anything as such he was a rapist. None of the hadith had mentioned that. I don’t know why you are saying these things. I think you have only one thing in mind that, if Mohammed would born as Brahmana, then you would have 100 points to counter argue…since he was born on arabic family…you are calling him such things….
Read the hadith fully…i think you would have already done that…analyze keeping things in mind such a way that….how ppl are at that time…and how he preached the truth to that ppl…he changed their lives…
Before prophecy, he was known to be a trustable person and the person who helps the city a lot…
His first declaration of prophecy is on a small mountain…i think u might have read that one also…I really wonder how he was able to do such things in his life….In a lesser span of time, he did a job equal to thrice or more, what one needs to do in his life…
First analyze and then tell…this shows your less knowledge in analytical thinking….Don’t believe in anyone’s saying….you jump into that and swim to learn about swimming…Don’t write books how to swim, without knowing actually….
Muhammad: A Rapist
Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids. However, after capturing the women, Muslims faced a dilemma. They wanted to have sex with them but also wanted to return them for ransom and therefore did not want to make them pregnant. Some of these women were already married. Their husbands had managed to escape when taken by surprise and were still alive. The raiders considered the possibility of coitus interruptus (withdrawing from intercourse prior to ejaculation). Unsure of the best course of action, they went to Muhammad for counsel. Bukhari reports:
Abu Saeed said: “We went out with Allâh’s Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allâh’s Apostle who is present among us?” We asked (him) about it and he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.” [1]
Notice that Muhammad does not forbid raping women captured in war. Instead, he indicates that when Allâh intends to create anything, nothing can prevent it. In other words, not even the absence of semen can prevent it. So Muhammad is telling his men that coitus interruptus would be futile and ill-advised because it would be an attempt to thwart the irresistible will of Allâh. Muhammad does not say a word against the forced insemination of these captive females. In fact, by criticizing coitus interruptus, in effect he supported forced insemination.
In the Qur’an, Muhammad’s god made it legal to have intercourse with slave women, the so-called “right hand possessions,” even if they were married before their capture.[2]
Juwairiya:
Ibn Aun has narrated: “I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn ‘Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn ‘Umar was in that army.” Bukhari 3.46.717 (see also Muslim 019. 4292)
Muhammad sent one of his companions; Bareeda bin Haseeb, to spy on the Bani al-Mustaliq and after assessing the situation he ordered his men to attack. Muslims came out of Madina on 2nd Shaban of 5 A.H. and encamped at Muraisa, a place at a distance of 9 marches from Medina.
Juwairiya was one of the captives during the raid of Banu Mustaliq. When all the prisoners were made slaves and distributed among the victorious Muslim soldiers, Juwairiyah fell to the lot of Thabit bin Qais. She was the daughter of Haris, the leader of the clan.
The Islamic site muslims.ws writes: “She was the daughter of the leader of the clan, and therefore, very much felt the discomfiture and disgrace of being made slave of an ordinary Muslim soldier. Therefore, she requested him to release her on payment of ransom. Thabit agreed to this, if she could pay him 9 Auqias of gold. Hazrat Juwairiyah had no ready money with her. She tried to raise this amount through contributions, and approached the Holy Prophet also in this connection. She said to him “0′ Prophet of Allah! I am the daughter of Al Haris bin Zarar, the Lord (chief) of his people. You know that it is by chance that our people have fallen captive and I have fallen to the share of Thabit bin Qais and have requested him to release me considering my status, but he has refused. Please do an act of kindness and save me from humiliation”. The Holy Prophet was moved and asked the captive woman if she would like a thing still better. She asked as to what was that thing. He said that he was ready to pay her ransom and marry her if she liked. She agreed to this proposal. So the Holy Prophet paid the amount of ransom and married her.”
First he raids a population without warning because they were easy targets and wealthy. As usual he kills the unarmed able-bodied men, plunders their belongings, then enslaves the rest. The narrator says, “According to the prevailing practice all the prisoners were made slaves and distributed among the victorious Muslim soldiers.” Prevailing practice? Didn’t Muhammad come to show people the right way? Why should he follow the evil prevailing practices of a people whom he called ignorant? By doing so, he set the example and those evil practices became standard practices of the Muslims for ever.
The narrator says that upon seeing Juwairiyah the Prophet was “moved”. Methinks that movement must have happened in his male organ because his heart seems to have remained cold and unmoved. Although Muslims call this marriage, I call it rape.
Safiyah
Safiyah was a beautiful 17 years old Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops raided Kheibar. She was the daughter or Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina , whom Muhammad had beheaded two years earlier along with the men of Banu Quriaza. The tribe of Banu Nadir had been already banished from Medina and their properties were confiscated.
Safiyah had married to her cousin Kinana, who was a young Jewish leader of Kheibar. When Muhammad raided that fortress, he killed its unarmed men and captured the rest. A Jewish traitor, (reminds me of Noam Chomsky) to gain Muhammad’s favor and be spared from death, told him that Kinana was the treasurer of the town and that he used to hide the money in some ruins. Muhammad ordered Kinana to be tortured to reveal the whereabouts of the treasures and killed him.
Then he asked the prettiest woman from amongst that captives to be brought to him. Ibn Ishaq writes: “The apostle occupied the Jewish forts one after the other, taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana, the Khaibar chief, and two female cousins: [sisters of Kinana] the apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims. Bilal brought Safiya to the apostle, and they passed the bodies of several Jews on the way. Safiya’s female companions lamented and strewed dust on their heads. When the apostle of Allâh observed this scene, he said, ‘Remove these she devils from me.’ But he ordered Safiya to remain, and threw his reda [cloak] over her. So the Muslims knew he had reserved her for his own. The apostle reprimanded Bilal, saying, ‘Hast thou lost all feelings of mercy, to make women pass by the corpses of their husbands?’”
Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: “I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account”. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)
The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.
Rayhanah
Another victim of Muhammad was Rayhana, a 15 year old girl from the tribe of Banu Quraiza. Muhammad massacred all the men of that tribe. Then women were brought to him to pick and he chose Rayhana. Rayhana never married Muhammad and unlike Juwairiyah and Safiyah never feigned being a Muslim to have an easier life. She preferred to remain a sex slave rather the wife of the murderer of her father, brothers and uncles. .
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[1] Bukhari, Volume 5, Book59, Number 459. Many other canonical hadiths recount how Muhammad approved intercourse with slave women, but said coitus interruptus was unnecessary because if Allâh willed someone to be born, that soul would be born regardless of coitus interruptus. See the following:
Bukhari 3.34.432: “Narrated Abu Saeed Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allâh’s Apostle he said, “O Allâh’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allâh has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”
Sahih Muslim is another source considered factual and accurate by virtually all Muslims. Here is Sahih Muslim 8.3381: “Allâh’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about ‘azl, (coitus interruptus) whereupon he said: The child does not come from all the liquid (semen) and when Allâh intends to create anything nothing can prevent it (from coming into existence).”
Muslims also consider Abu Dawood highly accurate and factual. Here is Abu Dawood, 29.29.32.100: “Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, ‘Tell them.’ She was embarrassed. He said, ‘It is alright, and I do it myself.’ Malik said, ‘A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practicing coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission. Someone who has someone else’s slave-girl as a wife does not practice coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission.’”
See also Bukhari 3.46.718, 5.59.459, 7.62.135, 7.62.136, 7.62.137, 8.77.600, 9.93.506 Sahih Muslim 8.3383, 8.3388, 8.3376, 8.3377, and several more.
[2] Qur’an, 4:24: “Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allâh ordained (Prohibitions) against you.”
Qur’an, 33:50): “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allâh has assigned to thee.”
Qur’an, 4:3: “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”
In this part, I will be focusing on three events that define the nature of Islam’s foundations. At this stage, the Jews were becoming increasingly dissatisfied and angered at the deeds of the Muslims. The Jewish Tribes were hard working trades people, whose purpose in life was to earn a living through honest means and hard effort. They were perfectly content with the religion of their forefathers and had never anticipated that the man to whom they had given shelter so graciously, would turn into the power crazed monster who was now turning around to attack them. Mohammad was in the position to carry out his hidden ambitions, which became clear soon enough.
With the utmost disregard for all human morality, ethics, or respect for human life, the Prophet of Islam systematically targeted and slaughtered the very Jews of Medinah who had helped him when everyone else in Arabia was kicking him like a dog. He was motivated by these primary reasons:
1.His fanatic greed for all the wealth that had been created by the blood, sweat and toil of the Jews.
2.His maniacal craving for power at any cost. The Jews were the biggest obstacle in his plan to subjugate all of Medinah, so they had to be removed, by any means possible.
3.His fear of all other religions. Mohammad was a delusional Megalomaniac, meaning he believed that he was the Supreme Ruler of the world. Anything that threatened this sick fantasy of his, had to be exterminated. Since, the religion of the Jews rejected his pathetic claims to Divine rule, they were the targeted victims in Medinah, just as the Polytheistic Arabs had been his victims in Mecca.
The incidents narrated below demonstrate the horrific depth of Mohammad’s atrocities. Keep in mind that Mohammad is the Model of Good Islamic behaviour and you will realise how Islam advocates genocide in the name of religion.
Murder of a Jewish Elder from Khaybar
Date: Late April 626 A.D.
Place: The Jewish Oasis of Khyber
Victims: Abu Rafi
The Muslims who had murdered Kaab Ibn Al Ashraf the famous poet of the Banu-N-Nair (See earlier) were considered as heroes by Mohammad and his followers. Murderers were considered as ideal Muslims. A group of Muslims from the Khazraj Tribe decided to prove their loyalty to their Prophet by killing off a respectable member of the Jewish Community. Abu Rafi was an elderly man who had never done anything against Mohammad or the Muslims. He just happened to be the unfortunate target of Mohammad’s plot to terrorize the Jews. The Prophet wanted to send out a message to the Jews, which spelt out clearly that Mohammad was in control of their lives. The “expedition” to kill the poor old helpless man had the specific blessings of the “Merciful” Prophet. About Six of them broke into the Old man’s house in the middle of the night and slashed him to ribbons as he slept. The cowardly Muslims always assassinated people in this way, while the victim slept, obviously because they had neither the courage nor the strength to fight even a solitary, aged Jewish Man while he was awake. After their crime, the Muslims fled back home into the arms of their expectant Prophet. There was a fight among them as to who had actually killed Abu Rafi. At this, the Prophet smiled beatifically and started checking their swords. Finally, it was decided that the person who owned the sword which still had traces of food in it, was the winner. Apparently Abu Rafi had just finished his dinner before falling asleep and the sword had slashed through his stomach spilling its contents. Indeed how Benevolent was the Apostle of Peace!
9) Massacre, Rape and Plunder of Banu-L-Mustaliq
Date: December 626 A.D.
Place: The well of Muraysi near Red Sea
Victims: The Tribe of Banu-L-Mustaliq
Mohammad attacked the Banu-L-Mustaliq because of their wealth. In a surprise raid, the Muslims drove them to the Sea. They slaughtered many members of the Banu-N-Mustaliq Tribe and looted away a booty of 2000 Camels, 5000 Sheep and 500 Women! 500 women were captured screaming and crying after they had watched their husbands and sons being slaughtered. The most beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chief of the Banu-L-Mustaliq. Mohammad snatched her to satisfy his own animal lust. The captured women were supposed to be returned by the Muslims upon payment of a ransom. But the night after the battle itself, Mohammad and his army raped each and every one of them. One of the men Abu Sa’id Khudri of Mohammad’s army reported :
“We were lusting after women and chastity had become too hard for us, but we wanted to get the ransom money for our prisoners. So we wanted to use the “Azl” (Coitus Interruptus- where the man withdraws before ejaculating)…We asked the Prophet about it and he said:
“You are not under any obligation to stop yourselves from doing it like that..” Later on the women and children were given for ransom to their envoys. They all went away to their country and not One wanted to stay although they had the choice..”
So the Great Prophet of Peace told his men it was perfectly FINE to rape women as long as you didn’t ejaculate inside them (which made them pregnant). What supreme logic! Any human being with the slightest shred of morality has to be nauseated by this Man and the religion he preached. Mohammad, the supreme religious figurehead of Islam sanctions RAPE, pure and simple. Not only did the Muslims commit this horrifying crime, they decieved the Tribesmen into paying Ransom for their womenfolk, who only paid the money in a desperate attempt to save their women’s honor. To call such a Prophet and his followers the epitome of Evil is probably an understatement.
10) Massacre of the Banu-Qurayza
Date: April-May 627 A.D.
Place: Medinah
Victims: The Last Jewish Tribe left in Medinah The Banu-Qurayza.
By this time, Mohammad had murdered or driven out all of the Jewish Tribes of Medinah, except the Banu Qurayza. It was time to eliminate this last thorn in his flesh. The Banu Qurayza had been reluctant in helping Mohammad against the Quraysh. Conveniently once again, Mohammad claimed that he had divine knowledge about a conspiracy by the Banu-Qurayza to kill him. He beseiged their fortress for Twenty-Five days. When the starving Tribe surrendered, Mohammad forced an old man from their own Tribe to pronounce Mohammad’s sentence. The sentence was death to every male member of the Tribe, Slavery for every woman and child and Plunder of all their property.
The Prophet had an immense trench dug around the main market of Medinah. The men of the Banu Qurayza were rounded up & their hands twisted tightly behind them. Then one by one, they were shoved to the edge of the trench and forced to kneel. They were offered a last chance to convert to “The True Faith” and if they refused, had their heads chopped off by Ali the cruel executioneer. As soon as one head would roll off, the corpse would be kicked into the ditch, and so it went. By the time Dawn had colored the sky red in Medinah, hundreds of corpses piled up in a heap in a tangled cesspool of blood, hair and shreds of flesh. Despite the horrific end in front of their eyes, none of the Jews chose to convert to Islam and faced death valiantly. The blood of 900 innocent Jews stained Mohammad’s hands on that black day.
Their only crime was that they chose to retain their fundamental human right, of choosing their own God and the religion of their ancestors. Hysterical women & children screamed as they watched their fathers, husbands & sons die. The majority of them were raped savagely and then bundled off to be sold as “used goods”. The Prophet had the husband of the Jewess Raihana Bint Amr hacked to pieces before her very eyes, hours after he had murdered her father. No doubt this was the Prophet’s perverted version of a wedding present, because after these atrocities he raped the mortified girl and tried to force her to convert to Islam. Muslim historians still describe the savage rape of Raihana Bint Amr as her “willing submission to Islam and wifehood to the Prophet”.
Apparently according to them it is very natural to imagine that a woman who has just seen her husband, father, brothers and Tribe slaughtered violently before her very eyes, would CHOOSE to convert to the religion of the murderer and marry him! In actual fact Raihana REFUSED to convert to Islam and also refused to marry Mohammad the murderer of her family. He kept her as a lowly concubine all his life. So much for the “Apostle of Peace” and his unbounded RESPECT for women. Mohammad was nothing but a serial rapist, who acquired his victims by killing their families first.
Allah as usual has provided yet another timeless Divine revelation which gives his Prophet the Right to rape and torture women of other religions.
[an-Nisa' 4:24]
“And all married women are forbidden unto
you EXCEPT those captives whom your right
hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for
you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those
mentioned, so that you seek them with your
wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery…”
In short Allah the All Merciful is saying “Hey Muslims, it’s a crime to go after married women, but IF they happen to be your captives (which obviously all the non-Muslim women were) feel free to indulge yourself in rape and sexual torture of them. “lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned” Allah is making it LEGAL for Muslims to go ahead and rape Non-Muslim women by Divine Law!
One shudders to imagine what kind of minds invented such utterly sadistic and disgusting ideas.
Mohammad justified all his crimes against the Jews with more of Allah’s revelations. Although the following Surahs were not revealed at the same time as the Massacre of Banu Quraizyah, they nevertheless give a general idea of the Prophet’s views on Jews and why it is perfectly fine to kill, loot and rape them.
[al-Ma'idah 5:51]
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and
Christians for friends. They are friends one
to another. He among you who taketh them
for friends is one of them. Lo allah guideth
not wrongdoing folk.
[al-Ma'idah 5:64]
The Jews say: “Allah’s hand is fettered.”
It is THEIR hands that are fettered and
they are ACCURSED for saying so. Nay,
but both his (Allah’s) hands are spread in
bounty. He bestoweth as he will. That which
hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord
is certain to increase the contumacy and belief
of many of them, And We have cast among them
(The Jews) Enmity and Hatred till the day of
Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for
war, Allah extinguishes it!
The above verses clearly demonstrate the Muslim’s hatred of Jews as prescribed by their Prophet. They also expose the hollow claims of Muslims, about Islam being a peaceful religion that always co-existed with Judaism and Christanity. These historical events form the basis of the Islamic code of behaviour.
Sir,
I really proud of you to comment on a wrong way. I really think about you in such a way that….you want to spread something wrong about Mohammed and you are doing it…
I really surprise that…since you have in your thoughts still Mohammed…and you are thinking about him every now and then….
I really surprise…how he powerful he should be…..to make you think about him…even after 1400 years after his expiry…..
Commenting him after 1400 years very strongly ….even you…. i am really laughing at you….
….even though after knowing from a lot of hadith…..
One thing…can you do…live without his thought for one day…i am sure betting you….you can’t do that…..
I really love you..since you love Mohammed either as enemy…
Mohammad was a great genius.
but I am qouting your hadith.
He was not only genius but also a good man. He provided solution to lot of solutions through Quran…
As far as, I have read he was a king, a simple ruler, a religion Guru preaching Islam, a wonderful person dealt even politely with other religions…
I really wonder how he transformed the lives of those ppl to a professional way…even the worst ppl….
He eradicated so many things such as Adultery, Poverty, drinking, gambling and gave rights to women, literate ppl and changed the lives of the ppl and to maintain physical balance, etc…
How can be a rapist good man? i have showed you the hadith?
Adey….Komatti thalaya….Nalla kelu….
Did you ever here…an Emperor staying in a small house (a length of 10×6) ???
Did you ever hear an Emperor saying…don’t praise me…????
Did you ever hear a religion preacher saying “I am a slave to God…”…
Did you ever hear…that a person who totally changed the lives of ppl and eradicated poverty for ever…???
Did you ever hear an emperor saying….Don’t bow before me…???
Did you ever hear….ppl scolding an emperor before him and was allowed to live in the same empire….???
Did you ever hear a King lending money from others (Jews) and getting scoldings from them….while as an emperor…..???
Just because u have stated the hadith….u cannot say truth is in hell…his life was really beautiful…???
Truth always wins…Mohammed was a great emperor as well as a religious preacher, a great warrior, a great ruler, a great thinker, a great lover of the human society, a person who is known for his qualities, a person who makes the change in the world, a person…
Please analyze Sir…I really love Mohammed because of his great qualities…
His way of life is practical and he changed the lives of so many ppl…even now as a slave of God…
you are a brainwashed muzzy, SSS.
MohMAD was a pedophile thighing& raping Aisha of 9 years.
MohMAD was a rapist, raped a woman just after murdering her kinsmen.
MohMAD was a sex maniac having about 22 wives and innumerable concubines.
MohMAD was a ruthless murderer, read about Banu Quraija massacre.
MohMAD was a highway robber, his only source of income.
MohMAD was a slave trafficer.
MohMAD was a criminal in every sense.
Still muzzies call him ‘Insan Kaamil’ ie the most admired man. What for ? Doesnt it show the general criminality of muslims ?
@3X:
I think you don’t know the basic difference between marriage, rape and prostitution….
First know the difference and then post the comments to me…
Shall I call you in the other way…as brain-washed guy against Islam by Brahmins…
BTW….tell me one guy in the world..whom you admire as a good person…???
Dr Kalam for instance is a good person despite being a muslim. I really admire him, but its because of his upbringing not because he is a muslim.
Is a man of 54 years raping a 9 year old can be called a marriage ? Or is it a farce ? Is 9 years is the right age to get married for a girl, physically, mentally or psycologically ?
Only a muzzy can call it a marriage in civilized world.
What abour Rehana, who was a beautiful wife of a murdered jewish man of Bani Qureiza?
MohaMAD raped her the same night her husband was killed by him…any answers dear sss?
Did you see with your eyes…on that day…what happened???
Answer this…u ll get the answer for the same…
First analyze and tell the difference between rape, marriage and prostitution…
For you…all are one and the same….so…
Hi SSS
Quoting from authentic islamic scriptures, Mohammad had these following qualities
a) a pedophile (he married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she
was nine)
b) a caravan robber (he attacked the merchants from Mecca when their
caravans were passing by Madina)
c) a mass murdered (Banu Quraiza massacre)
d) Had lots of sex slaves. Had sex with women that the ‘right hand’
pocessed
e) He forcefully married Sufiya and had sex with her on the same day
her clan was massacred. Pls tell me, would any women even think of
having fun on the day her entire clan got killed? This amounts to rape.
Please think sir .. any person with reasonable commonsense will realize these actions are evil. If you still continue to think he was a ‘great’ role model, I am really worried about your mindset.
.
No doubt, he was a smart chap and great military leader(more like Hitler and Stalin). But because of the lack of moraity he exhibited, do u think he can be venerated as a messenger of god? If so, God must be out of his mind
Please be honest with yourself.
Peace
Aman
i ADMIRE george bush as a good person, he killed 1.5 lakh muslims in afghanistan and iraq.
I also worship genghiz khan and halaku who committed so much mass slaughter of muslims in 12th century that the muslims are still crying over it.
WE INFIDELS RULE.
Prophet himself violated quran
Introduction
TODAY’S JIHADISTS (suicide bombers) are murdering innocent, ordinary Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sudan, Nigeria, Somalia and other parts of the world to establish Allah’s laws. By Allah’s law they mean to institute the rules and regulations prescribed principally in the Qur’an, and in other Islamic holy books of Islam, such as hadis. These ardent soldiers of Allah staunchly believe Qur’an to be the infallible words of Allah, which are so sacrosanct that even Muhammad could have never violated.
But this is just a fib. When we diligently study the biography of Muhammad and the ahadith we find quite a few examples where Muhammad had openly transgressed the provisions in the Qur’an. Sex was an important aspect of Muhammad’s life. His unbridled indulgence in sex had, on many occasions, forced him to violate Allah’s rule overtly. To suppress his breach of the Qur’anic laws on sex and sexuality, he, as usual, concocted stories of Allah’s exemption to His dearest friend. In this essay I am exposing the hypocrisy of some Islamists who claim adamantly that Muhammad could have never violated the Qur’an. Besides sex, we also learn from the history of Islam that Muhammad had flagrantly violated many aspects of the Qur’an. It is important to learn about this aspect of Muhammad to characterize him as person of conniving, cunning and opportunistic disposition. This essay will expose the Islamic hypocrisy that Muhammad was a divine person, commanded by Allah to implement Allah’s laws on humanity.
Here are a few examples of how Muhammad had violated the most sacred book of Allah, the Qur’an.
Muhammad broke the rule on sex and foreplay during fasting
What the Holy Qur’an says about sex during fasting time: During fasting, sexual activity is for the night only… 2:187
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YUSUFALI: Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.
Here is what Muhammad did while observing fast: Muhammad slept with Umm Salama during her period, kissed her while fasting and used to take bath from the same pot after having sex… (Sahih Bukhari 1.6.319)
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 319
Narrated Zainab bint Abi Salama:
Um-Salama said, “I got my menses while I was lying with the Prophet under a woollen sheet. So I slipped away, took the clothes for menses and put them on. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Have you got your menses?’ I replied, ‘Yes.’ Then he called me and took me with him under the woollen sheet.” Um Salama further said, “The Prophet used to kiss me while he was fasting. The Prophet and I used to take the bath of Janaba from a single pot.”
While fasting, Muhammad kissed and embraced his wives…(Sahih Bukhari 3.31.149)
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 31, Number 149
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet used to kiss and embrace (his wives) while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you. Said Jabir, “The person who gets discharge after casting a look (on his wife) should complete his fast.”
Muhammad used to kiss and suck Aisha’s tongue while they were fasting… (Sunaan Abu Dawud 13.2380)
Sunaan Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380:
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.
Muhammad violated the Qur’anic rules on dower (mehr) and the time of waiting (idda)) in marrying a divorced/widowed woman
When Muhammad captured Khaybar, he took as a captive, Safiyyah bt Huyayy, a very pretty teenage girl and purportedly married her without paying her any dowry (mahr). The payment of mahr is compulsory in every Islamic marriage.
First, we shall examine how Muhammad violated the rule of dower. This rule is stipulated in the Qur’an thus:
To marry a woman, pay her dowry as a free-gift… 4:4
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YUSUFALI: And give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, Take it and enjoy it with right good cheer.
To hide his deception, Muhammad claimed that marrying Safiyyah was in itself a good honour for her, her dowry was her manumission from being a sex-slave to Muhammad.
Let us read the following hadis.
Muhammad consummated his marriage with Saffiyah by staying with her for three days on way from Khaybar; he ordered her to wear a veil… (Sahih Bukhari, 5.59.523, 524)
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 523
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet stayed with Safiya bint Huyai for three days on the way of Khaibar where he consummated his marriage with her. Safiya was amongst those who were ordered to use a veil.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 524
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet stayed for three nights between Khaibar and Medina and was married to Safiya. I invited the Muslim to his marriage banquet and there was neither meat nor bread in that banquet but the Prophet ordered Bilal to spread the leather mats on which dates, dried yogurt and butter were put. The Muslims said amongst themselves, “Will she (i.e. Safiya) be one of the mothers of the believers, (i.e. one of the wives of the Prophet) or just (a lady captive) of what his right-hand possesses” Some of them said, “If the Prophet makes her observe the veil, then she will be one of the mothers of the believers (i.e. one of the Prophet’s wives), and if he does not make her observe the veil, then she will be his lady slave.” So when he departed, he made a place for her behind him (on his and made her observe the veil.
Muhammad stayed with Safiyyah for three nights consummating his marriage… (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 2.11.2118)
Sunaan Dawud:Volumel. ii, Book 11, number 2118
Anas b Malik said: When the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married Safiyyah, he stayed with her three nights. The narrator ‘Uthman added: She was non-virgin (previously married). He said: This tradition has been narrated to me by Hushaim, reported by Humaid, and transmitted by Anas.
Saffiya’s dower for marriage was her manumission… (Sahih Muslim, 8.3326)
Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3326
This hadith has been narrated through another chain of transmitters on the authority of Anas that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) emancipated Safiyya, and her emancipation was treated as her wedding gift, and in the hadith transmitted by Mu’adh on the authority of his father (the words are):” He (the Holy Prophet) married Safiyya and bestowed her emancipation as her wedding gift.”
Please note that nowhere in the Qur’an we find that Allah has made it legal to use manumission of a slave-woman to be used as her dowry (mahr). Muhammad simply invented this rule according to his convenience.
Ibn Sa’d provides further information on this lustful marriage with a 19-year-old Jewish beauty with 60-year-old Muhammad. Please note that before falling into the hands of Muhammad, a Jewish man had married this pretty girl. Muhammad had already beheaded Safiyaah’s husband and her father after subjecting them to brutal torture. Having satiated his lust for blood, on the same night he killed her closest relatives, Muhammad took Saffiyah into his tent to have sex with her.
We learn from Ibn Sa’d that Muhammad purchased Safiyyah from Dhiyah for seven camels (around US$ 2,100). On the same night that Muhammad took possession of Safiyyah, he hastened to his tent to sleep with her. Here is what Ibn Sa’d writes:
“….when it was night, he entered a tent and she entered with him. Abu Ayyub came there and passed the night by the tent with a sword keeping his head at the tent. When it was morning and the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, perceived (somebody) moving, he asked: Who is there? He replied: I am Abu Ayub. He asked: Why are you here? He replied: O Apostle of Allah! There is a young lass newly wedded (to you) with whose late husband you have done what you have done. I was not sure of safety, so I wanted to be close to you. Thereupon the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, said twice: O Abu Ayyub! May Allah show you mercy.” (ibn Sa’d vol.ii, p.145)
To hide the lascivious character of Muhammad, Muslim biographers often mention that he married Safiyyah before he slept with her. But they forget to state that Muhammad did not follow the rule of waiting period (three monthly periods) to sleep with Safiyyah.
We shall now see how Muhammad had violated the rule of idda (waiting period) in marrying a woman. These rules are stipulated in the Qur’an thus:
Before marrying another man, divorced women must wait three monthly periods… 2:228
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YUSUFALI: Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise
Widows wait four months and ten days for re-marriage…2:234
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YUSUFALI: If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And Allah is well acquainted with what ye do.
Clearly, when Muhammad wanted to sleep or to have sex with Safiyyah, she was a widow, as Muhammad had already killed her husband. Therefore, as per the Qur’an, Muhammad had to wait at least four months and ten days before he could even touch her. But Muhammad did not at all observe this rule; instead, he took Safiyyah, straight from the battlefield to his bed in the war camp. Having spent the night with her, Muhammad took her to another, safer location, stayed there for three days and consummated his marriage with Safiyyah.
Let us read a hadis on this:
Muhammad selected Safiyyah because of her beauty, made her his wife and gave a banquet at the wedding; then he had sex with Saffiyah at Sa`d-AsSahba… (Sahih Bukhari 4.52.143)
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said to Abu Talha, “Choose one of your boy servants to serve me in my expedition to Khaibar.” So, Abu Talha took me letting me ride behind him while I was a boy nearing the age of puberty. I used to serve Allah’s Apostle when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, “O Allah! I seek refuge with You from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men.” Then we reached Khaibar; and when Allah enabled him to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,’ where her menses were over and he took her for his wife. Haris (a kind of dish) was served on a small leather sheet. Then Allah’s Apostle told me to call those who were around me. So, that was the marriage banquet of Allah’s Apostle and Safiya. Then we left for Medina. I saw Allah’s Apostle folding a cloak round the hump of the camel so as to make a wide space for Safiya (to sit on behind him) He sat beside his camel letting his knees for Safiya to put her feet on so as to mount the camel. Then, we proceeded till we approached Medina; he looked at Uhud (mountain) and said, “This is a mountain which loves us and is loved by us.” Then he looked at Medina and said, “O Allah! I make the area between its (i.e. Medina’s) two mountains a sanctuary as Abraham made Mecca a sanctuary. O Allah! Bless them (i.e. the people of Medina) in their Mudd and Sa (i.e. measures).”
Good Sir…Keep it up for spreading about Islam…
I still think of Newton’s third law…
I really think….Did Islam deals this much about life….even Mensus….
This should be the perfect religion in the world to deal with even a small aspect of life…and giving women the way to live life…..
Really wonderful anti-preaching…but i have taken the good things from that…
Thanks a lot…
this not religion as you think ,thi is book of sexual vandalism
Religion is the study to understand and realize the importance of life in this universe
Hi @anwar:
I am not able to understand what you try to say???
Yeah it controls the life of muzzies like mafia controls its gang …:)
When one enters the islamic brotherhood mafia they cut the dik, when one tries to exit it they cut the neck…simple enough.
@3X:
First know how to reply for a question in a forum…
This shows your lack of knowledge in using web sites…
Better have some training…before you come here for replying in forums…
Now I identify that…you should be a Brahmin…you ll show your original faces…I know…
accuse & defile the person who shows you the truth, thats what every muslim does to win the argument. Alas it doesnt work at all on me now.
We know…how you Brahmins are…
So…I know your original face…how you defend…how you affend…
There is no surprise for me…you ppl say all these…this is expected only…dominating guys…very descent outside….but packa local in thinking and all…!!!
BROTHER SSS IS LIAR THAT HAS BECOME CLEAR HE HAS NEVER READ KORAN OR HADITH. If he had read Hadith and Koran he would not had called ABU BAKR and UMER AS HEROES because after Mohammad’s Death they started torturing Mohammad’s daughter Fatima and cousin and son-in-law Ali and killed many Muslims who were supporters of Ali and Fatima this shows how they were following Mohammad. If you have any answers tell me brother.
i too believe in newtons third law of motion. What happened to hindu minority in pakistan, bangladesh and now kashmir should logically happen to muslim minority in rest of India. Justice?
Muhammad violated Allah’s restriction on him on the number of his wives
When Muhammad married Zaynab bte. Jahsh, the wife of his adopted son, Zayd b. Harith, Allah was a little bit displeased with Muhammad’s audacious crave for young, beautiful, sexy women—married or single. So, Allah clamped down on Muhammad, sternly warning him that that was enough, that he could not accumulate further, any extra wives. Allah made Zaynab Muhammad’s wife number eight or nine—the last wife. Here is the verse where Allah forbade Muhammad to marry further after marrying Zaynab bint Jahsh: Allah put restriction on Muhammad’s marriage; he is not to take any new wife, neither exchange old wives for new… 33:52
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YUSUFALI: It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things.
Let us have a look at the list of women with whom Muhammad had some kind of connection, including sexual. This list has been prepared from the book of Tabari (vol. ix, pp.120-141). Please note that this list is in chronological order. Highlighted in the list is the name of Zaynab bint Jahsh to demonstrate how flagrantly Muhammad had dishonoured Allah’s restriction on him—he had collected at least 13 more wives, a sex-slave and a concubine even when Allah commanded him to restrain his wife collection.
Muhammad had 21 wives. They were:
Khadijah bint Khuwaylid
Sawdah bint Jamah
Aisha bint Abu Bakr
Hafsah bint Umar (Hafsha found Muhammad and Mariyah in her bed and she became hysterical (footnote 884, Tabari ix.131).
Umm Salamah
Juwayriyyah
Umm Habiba bint Abi Sufyan
Zaynab bint Jahsh
Safiyyah bint Huyayy
Maymunah bint Al-Harith
Sana bint Asma or Saba bint Asma. She died before Muhammad consummated the marriage.
al-Shama bint Amr al-Ghifariyaah. Muhammad divorced her for her doubting his prophethood.
Ghaziyyah bint Jabir. She was previously married and had a son named Sharik. She was beautiful but she refused to consummate the marriage. Muhammad found her old (ibid, p.139); so he returned her to her people.
Amrah bint Yazid. Some say she herself gave to Muhammad (33:50). Muhammad did not consummate the marriage.
Asma bint Al-Numan. Muhammad found her suffering from leprosy; so he divorced her giving her compensation.
Zaynab bint Khuzaymah—also called Umm al-Masakin (mother of the poor)
Al-Aliyaah bint Zabyan. It is alleged that she peeped through her door at the people in the mosque. So Muhammad divorced her after paying her some compensation (ibid, footnote 919, p.138).
Qutaylah bint Qays—but Muhammad died before he could consummate his marriage with her. She and her brother apostatized from Islam.
Fatimah bint Shurayh (Sara).
Kawlah bint Hudhayl
Layla bt. Al-Khatim. She offered herself to Muhammad and Muhammad accepted her as his wife. Later, when her people admonished her for marrying Muhammad, she requested for a divorce and Muhammad divorced her.
People used to say that Muhammad was a womaniser (Tabari, IX:139).
List of women to whom Muhammad proposed but did not marry:
Umm Hani bint. Abi Talib—she had a child. Previously Abu Talib had rejected Muhammad’s proposal to marry her.
Dubbah bint Amir—she was too old.
Safiyyah bint Bashshamah—she was a captive.
Umm Habiba bint al-Abbas—fosterage.
Jamrah bint Al-Harith—was suffering from leprosy.
Khawlah bint Hakim.
Amamah bint Hamzah.
Muhammad’s concubines were:
Mariyah bint Sham’un (Hafsah found Mariyah and Muhammad together in her bed and she was hysterical (Tabari, ix.131, footnote 884)
Rayhanah bint Zayd al-Quraziyaah.
Marriage not consummated:
Mulaykah bint Kab al-Laythi; Muhammad divorced her.
Bint Jundub.
Even the one of the most eminent commentators and translators of the Qur’an, Maulana Yusuf Ali admits that Muhammad had indeed transgressed the stipulation of the Qur’an.
Yusuf Ali (commentary number 3754, p. 1123) writes: “This was revealed in A.H. 7. After that the Prophet did not marry again, except the handmaiden Mary the Copt, who was sent as a present by the Christians Muaqauqas of Egypt. She became the mother of Ibrahim, who died in his infancy.”
Muhammad violated the Quranic law on the punishment for sex offenders
Fornication and adultery are two most serious offences in Islamic societies. These acts are worse than murder and plunder. The punitive measures, as enacted in the Qur’an, are truly extremely harsh and barbaric. Let us read the verse which deals with such grave crimes: Punishment for adultery or fornication (both man and woman) is one hundred lashes in front of the believers …24:2
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YUSUFALI: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Strangely, when it came to a friend of Muhammad, who admitted having committed a punishable offence (illegal sex, perhaps), Muhammad did not apply this Qur’anic rule. Here is a hadis from Sahih Bukhari on this violation of the Qur’an: Muhammad did not punish a person for illegal sexual intercourse because the person prayed with him… (Sahih Bukhari, 8.82.812)
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 812
Narrated Anas bin Malik: While I was with the Prophet a man came and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have committed a legally punishable sin; please inflict the legal punishment on me’.’ The Prophet did not ask him what he had done. Then the time for the prayer became due and the man offered prayer along with the Prophet, and when the Prophet had finished his prayer, the man again got up and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have committed a legally punishable sin; please inflict the punishment on me according to Allah’s Laws.” The Prophet said, “Haven’t you prayed with us?’ He said, “Yes.” The Prophet said, “Allah has forgiven your sin.” or said, “….your legally punishable sin.”
Muhammad violated the Quranic code of conduct between marriageable couples
Please note that a man and a woman who are not close relatives (that is, those men and women who could be married to each other, those who are not in the prohibited class for marriage purposes) cannot, under any circumstances, be alone together. This moral guardianship is endorsed in these verses of the Qur’an: Believing men are to lower their gaze and guard modesty… 24:30
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YUSUFALI: Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.
Let us observe what Muhammad did with some single women, who could be married to him.
The first such woman was none but his first cousin-sister, Umm Hani bint Abu Talib. Muhammad passionately fell in love with her, but for some unknown reason his beloved uncle, Abu Talib did not give her hand to Muhammad when Muhammad requested. Instead, Abu Talib married her to a pagan, Hibayrah. But Muhammad’s adulterous relation with Umm Hani (real name Fakitah, also known as Hind) continued. He used to sleep in her house, when no one was around. Such an incidence took place when Muhammad returned from his failed mission at Taif, after the deaths of his first wife, Khadijah and his uncle Abu Talib. Returning from Taif, he took shelter in Ka’ba. But at nightfall, when everyone was asleep, he stealthily went to Umm Hani’s house and spent the night with her. In the morning, when the people did not find him at Ka’ba, they went looking for him. They found him in the house of Umm Hani. He was embarrassed. So was Umm Hani. To hide the truth, he concocted the story of his night journey to Jerusalem and Paradise from Umm Hani’s house (more precisely, from her bed), which many converts of Islam found too incredible to believe. They left Islam then and there. This made Muhammad sad and withdrawn. Soon, after such an adulterous affair was leaked, he left Mecca and settled in Medina. But his undying love for Umm Hani remained aflame.
Later, when Muhammad became militarily strong and conquered Mecca, he went to Umm Hani’s house and stayed with her overnight, praying and chit-chatting with her. Hubayrah, Umm Hani’s husband had foreseen the fall of Mecca and had fled to Najran. So, Umm Hani was living in her house, separated from her pagan husband, and Muhammad was there comforting her, in open transgression of the Qur’anic code. (Please consult: Martin Lings, p.33, 101, 103-104, 299; Ibn Ishaq, p.184, Tabari, vol.viii, p.186)
Here is a hadis from Sahih Bukhari which demonstrates Muhammad’s way with single women, divorced or widowed, rich or poor, for sex, which clearly violates the Qur’an.
A dignified woman, Jauniyaa (a princess) was brought to Muhammad to have sex with him but she was reluctant to give herself to him; Muhammad was angry and raised his hand to beat her… (Sahih Bukhari, 7.63.182)
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 63, Number 182
Narrated Abu Usaid:
We went out with the Prophet to a garden called Ash-Shaut till we reached two walls between which we sat down. The Prophet said, “Sit here,” and went in (the garden). The Jauniyya (a lady from Bani Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in the home of Umaima bint An-Nu’man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was with her. When the Prophet entered upon her, he said to her, “Give me yourself (in marriage) as a gift.” She said, “Can a princess give herself in marriage to an ordinary man?” The Prophet raised his hand to pat her so that she might become tranquil. She said, “I seek refuge with Allah from you.” He said, “You have sought refuge with One Who gives refuge. Then the Prophet came out to us and said, “O Abu Usaid! Give her two white linen dresses to wear and let her go back to her family.” Narrated Sahl and Abu Usaid: The Prophet married Umaima bint Sharahil, and when she was brought to him, he stretched his hand towards her. It seemed that she disliked that, whereupon the Prophet ordered Abu Usaid to prepare her and to provide her with two white linen dresses. (See Hadith No. 541).
Readers should note that the woman mentioned in the above hadis was a minor, because her ‘wet nurse’ was with her when Muhammad wanted to have free sex with her. Also note that this child‑girl was perhaps naked when she met Muhammad, because Muhammad instructed Abu Usaid to cover her with white linen.
Muhammad violated the Qur’anic rule on sex and fondling with menstruating women
On menstruating women, the Qur’an says: Menstruation is a disease; can’t have sex during a woman’s period; after the period is over have sex in any manner, at any time and at any place… 2:222
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YUSUFALI: They ask thee concerning women’s courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
Please note that in verse 2:222 the Qur’an clearly says: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean.
Let us examine what Muhammad did to his wives when they were in heavy menstruation: During Aisha’s period Muhammad used to fondle her in bath. When menstruating Aisha used to wash Muhammad’s head…(Sahih Bukhari 1.6.298).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6 Number 298
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
Muhammad used to fondle his wives when they were menstruating…(Sahih Bukhari 1.6.299)
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299
Narrated ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) ‘Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her.” ‘Aisha added, “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.”
Muhammad used to embrace his menstruating wives after covering their private parts… (Sahih Muslim 3.0578)
Sahih Muslim Book 003, Number 0578
‘A’isha reported: When anyone amongst us was menstruating the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) asked her to tie waist-wrapper during the time when the menstrual blood profusely flowed and then embraced her; and she (’A’isha) observed: And who amongst you can have control over his desires as the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had over his desires.
Muhammad put his cheek and chest in between the naked thighs of a menstruating Aisha…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 1.0270)
Sunaan Abu Dawud Volume i, Number 0270
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
Umarah ibn Ghurab said that his paternal aunt narrated to him that she asked Aisha: What if one of us menstruates and she and her husband have no bed except one? She replied: I relate to you what the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had done.
One night he entered (upon me) while I was menstruating. He went to the place of his prayer, that is, to the place of prayer reserved (for this purpose) in his house. He did not return until I felt asleep heavily, and he felt pain from cold. And he said: Come near me. I said: I am menstruating. He said: Uncover your thighs. I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs and I lent upon he until he became warm and slept.
Sir,
I really love you man…How much things you are making me to understand….???
Still you prove that Islam is a good religion and Mohammed was a good man….even though you have corrected something and wrongly quoted….
Still he is playing in your life…You are fighting for something and thinking about Mohammed all the day…
sir, plz tell me the sources,,,,all u hav written here is utter nonsense…go to a renowned bookstore and buy the true translated quran and hadiths….
im sure u hav taken these lies from another islam hating forum…
Did you ever here…an Emperor staying in a small house (a length of 10×6) ???
Did you ever hear an Emperor saying…don’t praise me…????
Did you ever hear a religion preacher saying “I am a slave to God…”…
Did you ever hear…that a person who totally changed the lives of ppl and eradicated poverty for ever…???
Did you ever hear an emperor saying….Don’t bow before me…???
Did you ever hear….ppl scolding an emperor before him and was allowed to live in the same empire….???
Did you ever hear a King lending money from others (Jews) and getting scoldings from them….while as an emperor…..???
Just because u have stated the hadith….u cannot say truth is in hell…his life was really beautiful…???
Truth always wins…Mohammed was a great emperor as well as a religious preacher, a great warrior, a great ruler, a great thinker, a great lover of the human society, a person who is known for his qualities, a person who makes the change in the world, a person…
Please analyze Sir…I really love Mohammed because of his great qualities…
His way of life is practical and he changed the lives of so many ppl…even now as a slave of God…
SSS
Did you ever hear an emperor …..going to his eleven wives one after another in the same small house of (10×6)???
Did you ever hear an emperor saying….. even God praises me just like common people do???
[Quran 33:56 ]
Did you ever hear an emperor saying……. believing in me is equally important than believing in God???
Did you ever hear an emperor whose name is the source of inspiration for most of the suicide bombers and mass murderers even today???
Did you ever hear an emperor who beheaded 900 unarmed Jews (Bani Qureza) and took their women as slaves, one of whom (Rehana) was raped by him the very night her husband was butchered??? [Ibn Ishak]
Did you even hear an emperor who married a child of 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9?
Did you even hear an emperor who married his daughter in law???
His life was really beautiful???
Please analyze sir…..If you still love him then you yourself are a threat to humanity! Leave Islam and come to Vedic Dharm.
@Shourya:
Adey…..Punnakku mandaiyaa…..Puththiya vachchi nallapadiyaaa use pannu…..ippadi kutharkkama ninaikkathae…..ippadi iruntha…nee un pondattiyavae…santhekappaduva da mollamaari….karumam pudichchavanae….
If his character happens to be like that….think if anybody would have followed him….think logically…any ladies would have liked him…
I am ready to answer your one question….”Did you ever hear an emperor whose name is the source of inspiration for most of the suicide bombers and mass murderers even today???”…
Ans: Since bcoz of some stupid is doing that…it is not what he said…it is not what he asked to do to others…??? I think you need to learn much…..
Rest other questions, you use your brain to understand…imagine the life of ppl at that time and how he would have changed it…
His life was really beautiful and I also love Mohammed…since it has meaning….he changed the lives of ppl…Go and read the full life history of him and then quote Sir…..
I dont want ppl to quote…Don’t do wrong things…try to prove as Mohammed has proved over his lifetime…in making the change over the life of the ppl…
People at his time are not mad to blindly accept a concept, loved him and followed him…which he proposed at that time…since bcoz his personal and official life was beautiful…ppl loved him that much…
Just think Sir….Don’t say what other say….God has given brain to think…just use it for sometime…
Truth will not fail…It will succeed definitely…I consider his life is full of faith and truth….as his enemies called him…he is a trustable person but gone mad…even enemies praised him as trustable person…
His two friends ‘Abubakr’ and ‘Omar’…they were the remarkable persons in the world history…Their ruling is too good as it was appreciated by Jews and Christians at that time…
They hate Mohammed not bcoz of his character….but bcoz of his principles…just read some more…Sir…
I really admired by his preachings and his way of life which he left it as an example of everyone to follow…Really he was too good, beautiful….interesting guy…he touched my heart by his character…
SSS
Laa Haul Valaa Kuvvat Illah Billah!
So you mean Quran and Sahih Hadith are wrong! Every point that I made is either taken from Quran or Sahih Ahadith and Seerat. Now after denying divinity of Quran and Ahadith you are no more a Muslim my friend.
I invite you to Vedic Dharm of your ancestors.
@SSS
Vaarthayai konjam alandhu pesunga sir!
Let me prove you how ur fraud prophet saved his wives.
[58:2]Those who pronounce thihar among you [to separate] from their wives – they are not [consequently] their mothers. Their mothers are none but those who gave birth to them. And indeed, they are saying an objectionable statement and a falsehood. But indeed, Allah is Pardoning and Forgiving.
In this he says only one mother, but later, how smartly he protected his wives by revealing another ayats
[33:6]
The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their (believers’) mothers (as regards respect and marriage). And blood relations among each other have closer personal ties in the Decree of Allah (regarding inheritance) than (the brotherhood of) the believers and the Muhajirun (emigrants from Makkah, etc.), except that you do kindness to those brothers (when the Prophet SAW joined them in brotherhood ties). This has been written in the (Allah’s Book of Divine) Decrees (AlLauh AlMahfuz)
[33:53]
O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.
All those verses are contradicting each other, any logical person can understand the contradiction in those verse, since the pedophilia want to save his wives he smartly revealed [33:6] and [33:53] ayats. Fraud prophet.
Let me suggest AgniveerJi to write an elaborate article to analyze the above three verses in Quran to expose the fraud of Muhammad to save his wives.
@sds, @Shourya….
Thambi…Nalla keluppaa…..
Did I say anywhere I am a muslim…..??? Dont imagine the things…you ppl have lot of imagination but no analytical thinking….Just analyze…you ppl have very less analyzing capacity….Better to increase them and talk with me…
See the text below….
According to Watt and Richard Bell, recent writers have generally dismissed the idea that Muhammad deliberately deceived his followers, arguing that Muhammad “was absolutely sincere and acted in complete good faith”. Modern secular historians generally decline to address the question of whether the messages Muhammad reported being revealed to him were from “his unconscious, the collective unconscious functioning in him, or from some divine source”, but they acknowledge that the material came from “beyond his conscious mind.”Watt says that sincerity does not directly imply correctness: In contemporary terms, Muhammad might have mistaken for divine revelation his own unconscious. William Montgomery Watt states:
“ Only a profound belief in himself and his mission explains Muhammad’s readiness to endure hardship and persecution during the Meccan period when from a secular point of view there was no prospect of success. Without sincerity how could he have won the allegiance and even devotion of men of strong and upright character like Abu-Bakr and ‘Umar ? … There is thus a strong case for holding that Muhammad was sincere. If in some respects he was mistaken, his mistakes were not due to deliberate lying or imposture ….the important point is that the message was not the product of Muhammad’s conscious mind. He believed that he could easily distinguish between his own thinking and these revelations. His sincerity in this belief must be accepted by the modern historian, for this alone makes credible the development of a great religion. The further question, however, whether the messages came from Muhammad’s unconscious, or the collective unconscious functioning in him, or from some divine source, is beyond the competence of the historian.”
Rudi Paret agrees, writing that “Muhammad was not a deceptor,” and Welch also holds that “the really powerful factor in Muhammad’s life and the essential clue to his extraordinary success was his unshakable belief from beginning to end that he had been called by God. A conviction such as this, which, once firmly established, does not admit of the slightest doubt, exercises an incalculable influence on others. The certainty with which he came forward as the executor of God’s will gave his words and ordinances an authority that proved finally compelling.”
Bernard Lewis, another modern historian, commenting on the common western Medieval view of Muhammad as a self-seeking impostor, states that
“ The modern historian will not readily believe that so great and significant a movement was started by a self-seeking impostor. Nor will he be satisfied with a purely supernatural explanation, whether it postulates aid of divine of diabolical origin; rather, like Gibbon, will he seek ‘with becoming submission, to ask not indeed what were the first, but what were the secondary causes of the rapid growth’ of the new faith ”
Watt rejects the idea of Muhammad’s moral failures from Meccan period to Medinian one and contends that such views has no solid grounds. He argues that “it is based on too facile a use of the principle that all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Watt interprets incidents in the Medinan period in such a way that they mark “no failure in Muhammad to live to his ideals and no lapse from his moral principles.”
Boss….before speaking anything…just analyze…just bcoz you are quoting from something…don’t say thats right….
Just have a proper analysis and say…its true or not…I also know all the above things you said…just quoting the things and speaking vulgarity….won’t help in a long extent…
As I said, Truth always wins…I am supporting Islam bcoz I love Mohammed as a person… but I hate Muslims bcoz they are not behaving in a proper way as said by Islam…don’t misinterpret the things…as though you know everything in the world…
Everyone knows only a drop…not an ocean…with this you cannot say he is a criminal or not…
If Mohammed is a criminal…i am the lawyer for him…you counter argue…but mind your words while arguing….better avoid vulgarity…
SSS
So you are a non Muslim. Do you know that you are then among the worst of creatures (Even worse than dog, ass and pig)? [Quran 98:6]
Anyway, we dont have any problem if you still continue to praise Muhammad. But wait! Ask Muslims first whether they will allow someone worse than animals to praise Muhammad?
You wrote- “If Mohammed is a criminal…i am the lawyer for him…you counter argue…but mind your words while arguing….better avoid vulgarity…”
Brother TOTAGOTO has already argued few posts above and I also gave you some facts in my first comment. Its your turn to counter argue! And BTW, we will only quote hadith and verses from Quran. But if you find something vulgar there, its your problem that you have chosen a wrong client to defend! if you want to avoid vulgarity, go to Darul Uloom Deoband and get a Fatwa issued that all Ahadith are to be avoided!
As a human, if you are not able to understand one is good or bad….you are too bad than me…
I dont need any fatwa from them…since the life of Mohammed itslef very clear…whether he was good or bad…???
Always predict from the results…..i think now you would have got it….!!!!
SSS
Where are your counter arguments?
@SSS
You didn’t argue at all…and you are looking for arguments….Don’t make fun….:D
@shourya:
I mentioned about the vulgarity is this one which you wrote not from the hadith…”Did you ever hear an emperor …..going to his eleven wives one after another in the same small house of (10×6)???”
I can also talk like this….but that doesn’t make a difference between you and me…I was brought up from a good family…and i know descency a little bit…not like worst of the worst creatures…
Now I can analyze…how those hadith you are quoting would have been written…being to curse someone…writing in bad forms would be sufficient…
@SSS
Sahih Bukhari Vol 7, Book of Nikaah, hadith 6
Narrated Anas: The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with)
all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.
after so much negative truth being exposed, only a brainwashed muslim can argue and say that his faith in islam has been more pronounced. After all a muzzy has a lot to fear from MohaMAD’s hell fury.
Anna neenga solluradhu nallave puriyuthu,
but here we are arguing weather Islam is true religion r not , Muhammad is prophesied in Vedas r not and can we believe in Quran r not?
please answer me following Questions?
1. verses [58:2] [33:6] and [33:53] in Quran are contradicting each other r not?
2. If Quran is not from God, y we have to follow it?
3. Even if we consider Muhammad is a good person, y we have to add his name in our prayer?
also make sure one more thing, r u an Atheist or follower of any faith? since u mentioned u r not Muslim.
Sari thambi…
Unnoda point padiyae paarppom….
Mohammed was really good person @ his time…
1. Verses in the quran are not contradicting since they are in the context…
2. How ll u prove that Quran is not from God…as I also want to know about these…if I argue Quran is from God….????
3. Did Mohammed asked you to add his name in prayers…???
Why you want to know about my beliefs…Being a lawyer..I can argue for anyone…and I doesn’t need to have belief on anything…
We should kick out these PAKISTANI MIGRANTS (INDIAN MUSLIMS) TO PAKISTAN who are overstaying in INDIA even after a separate country is given to them otherwise they will make REPUBLIC OF INDIA AS ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF INDIA.
BREAK THE BACK OF SECULARISM BECAUSE IT IS TOOL FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF HINDUS.
@satya
broither you spoke my words exactly. I NEVER argue with any muslim on religion or theology. I have just one point. Do to muslims in India exactlky what happened to hindu minority in pakistan, bangladesh and kashmir.
Tit for tat simple.
The muslim bastards have a one point aim, of making whole india into islamic country. Take care of them today to save all our tomorrows.
@Hindu militant keep up with your one liners and hit the cut-cocks below the belt.
satya and hindu millitant,
y do u want muslims out of india? wat right do u hav over india? we r indians and proud to b it…its only of people like u tht the unity of india is suffering…this is a forum for discussing theology and dimwits like u, who actually cant contribute anything at the intellectual level, r relegating with paki and below the belt jokes….u r really communal and disrespectul.
india tumhari baap ki jaagir hai kya ke musalmanon ko bhaga do gey???
talk sense if not shut ur mouths and let others handle it becoz clearly u people r mentally unfit for this forum
@sona
At the time of partition land was divided into 80:20 based on percentages of religions. However by consistent attacks from your brothers the percentage of hindu population in pakistan/east bangladesh dropped to 10% from 29 %. Meanwhile the muslim population of india grew by more than the average indian population causing a strain on india. Based on above points can we conclude that population exchange will be a good idea so that india and pakistan do not spend much on defence budgets?
no, we r indians as much as any of u…y shud we migrate to any other country..this is our home…
@sona
muslims cannot claim residence in India as a matter of right, it is a matter of priviledge.
@sona
why did yu not answer satya and hindu militant, regarding what happened to hindu minority in pakistan (28% of population) bangladesh (33% of population) and kashmir (10% of population). Why keep quiet when atrocities are done by muslims on hindus?
“Quote” What right do v have over India?” same rights muslims have over pakistan.
Quote,”r really communal and disrespectul.” Thankyou for compliments, learnt it from muslims
Quote,”india tumhari baap ki jaagir hai kya ke musalmanon ko bhaga do gey???” ABSOLUTELY. same like hindu ko pakistan se aur kashmir se bhagaya tha. Go and save hindu minority in kashmir, before talking.
My ancestors come from la-whore. I cannot go and settle there. Why should I aloow yu to settle here?
If in doubt, read prophet mohammed ali jinnah ( peace be upon him) and his theory of mutual hostages.
It states,” Two strong states, none of which will dare misbehave with their minorities, if one state misbehaves with its minorities, the other state will retaliate against its minorities. Tit for tat. FEAR IS THE MOST POTENT WEAPON. : Thus spake mohammed ali jinnah, I am just following him.
@sds:
Does Mohammed came to your dream and asked you to follow Islam…???
If you want to follow….follow…or else leave it…don’t hurt other feelings by quoting something which you are not aware of…
The above discussion clearly states that…you are not saying…”Vedas say…. so follow Vedas…” rather you say…”Muslims are like …..Quran says…..Mohammed says…. so follow Vedas….”
The above two examples are different…which you can understand now….???
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@SSS
There are 100+ verses in Quran encouraging Muslims to fight against non-Muslims. Until Quran exists terrorism also exists.
answer me which one encouraged Arabs to use the Sword against that whole world for 1400 Years?
look at the death rate by Arabs/Muslims
Christians 60 Million
Hindus 80 Million
Buddhists 10 Million
Africans 120 Million
TOTAL 270 Million
since u r a Lawyer u must know the history.
http://agniveer.com/1100/jehad/
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Jihad
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Root_of_Terrorism:_Terror_Ninety-two_to_One-hundred
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/A_%28good%29_Muslim_has_to_be_a_terrorist
http://islam-watch.org/copper.kid/muhammad-umm-qirfa.htm
@SSS
We would not have been exposing Islam, if muslims would have preferred peace instead of Jihad. Even Jewish and Christian scriptues too have violent verses but they are not following them literally. Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawking….so many personalities are walking freely in Christian majority states….no christian priest promised to reward the person who beheads them….no violent demonstration by christians so far…But you people are disgraceful in the name of humanity. out of 200+ countries almost half of them are struggling against Islamists. Still you do not want to reckon that.
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@SSS
There are 100+ verses in Quran encouraging Muslims to fight against non-Muslims. Until Quran exists terrorism also exists.
answer me which one encouraged Arabs to use the Sword against that whole world for 1400 Years?
look at the death rate by Arabs/Muslims
Christians 60 Million
Hindus 80 Million
Buddhists 10 Million
Africans 120 Million
TOTAL 270 Million
since u r a Lawyer u must know the history.
http://agniveer.com/1100/jehad/
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Jihad
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Root_of_Terrorism:_Terror_Ninety-two_to_One-hundred
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/A_%28good%29_Muslim_has_to_be_a_terrorist
http://islam-watch.org/copper.kid/muhammad-umm-qirfa.htm
Zakir naike God Bless you and I pray for you The Lord Almighty give a Good knowllege to you because you Proof again and again as Muhhamad is Massanger of Devil. Devil use to Muhhamad Destroyed the Nation by his Power. We give you thnx to You Zakir because you Increes my faith in again Reject a False religion Islam.
BHAGAVAD GITA
The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagavad Gita.
Consider the following verse from the Gita:
“Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]
The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. ‘gods’ besides the True God.
UPANISHADS:
The Upanishads are considered sacred scriptures by the Hindus.
The following verses from the Upanishads refer to the Concept of God:
1.
“Ekam evadvitiyam”
“He is One only without a second.”
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
2.
“Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
“Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
3.
“Na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no likeness of Him.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
4.
The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
“Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”
“His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4
1[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 447 and 448]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 1 ‘The Upanishads part I’ page 93]
2[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page 263.]
3[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]
4[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]
THE VEDAS
Vedas are considered the most sacred of all the Hindu scriptures. There are four principal Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda.
1. Yajurveda
The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:
1.
“na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]5
2.
“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]6
3.
“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]7
Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
4.
The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
“Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander.”
[Yajurveda 40:16]8
5[Yajurveda by Devi Chand M.A. page 377]
6[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith page 538]
7[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith page 538]
8[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Griffith page 541]
2. Atharvaveda
The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3:
1. “Dev maha osi”
“God is verily great”
[Atharvaveda 20:58:3]9
3. Rigveda
1.
The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus. The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46:
“Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names.”
[Rigveda 1:164:46]
2.
The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1.
Among the various attributes of God, one of the beautiful attributes mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3, is Brahma. Brahma means ‘The Creator’. Translated into Arabic it means Khaaliq. Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Khaaliq or ‘Creator’ or Brahma. However if it is said that Brahma is Almighty God who has four heads with each head having a crown, Muslims take strong exception to it.
Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:
“Na tasya Pratima asti”
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]
Another beautiful attribute of God mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3 is Vishnu. Vishnu means ‘The Sustainer’. Translated into Arabic it means Rabb. Again, Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Rabb or ‘Sustainer’ or Vishnu. But the popular image of
9[Atharveda Samhita vol 2 William Dwight Whitney page 910]
Vishnu among Hindus, is that of a God who has four arms, with one of the right arms holding the Chakra, i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘conch shell’, or riding a bird or reclining on a snake couch. Muslims can never accept any image of God. As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19.
“Na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no likeness of Him”
The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:
3.
“Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata”
“O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone.”
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10
4.
“Devasya samituk parishtutih”
“Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator.”
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11
Brahma Sutra of Hinduism:
The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:
“Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan”
“There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit.”
Thus only a dispassionate study of the Hindu scriptures can help one understand the concept of God in Hinduism.
0[Rigveda Samhita vol. 9, pages 2810 and 2811 by Swami Satya Prakash Sarasvati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]
11[Rigveda Samhita vol. 6, pages 1802 and 1803 by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]
as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:
1.
The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be ‘Ahm at hi’ and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.
2.
Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.
3.
The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba Chapter 34 verse 28 (34:28):
@SAA
this foolish argument by Dr. Naik has been debunked way back in 2008 by Dr. Radhasyam Brahmchari
Islam is a creed that cannot survive without lies. Any so called Islamic scholar, whenever presents a discourse on Islam before a non-Muslim civilized audience, begins with a blatant lie that Islam means piece. While, in fact, Islam is just the opposite of that called peace. Though it is well-known that Islam treats women no better than domestic animals- simply as objects for satiation of lust and a machine for procreation of children, these scholars say that the Koran has given dignity to women and Islam provides equal rights for men and women. While the Koran clearly states that each and every non-Muslim is a kafir, but these scholars, solely to confuse the entire non-Muslim population in the world, tell lies and say the word kafir stands for an atheist. The Koran clearly states that, jihad is the all-out war, which is to be waged against the non-Muslim kakirs to slaughter them en-masse by bloody massacre and bring the entire world under the banner of Islam, these scholars tells lies and say that jihad is a mental war between good and bad in a man.
As a matter of fact, Islam considers telling lies to infidels or to give false testimony against them in the court of law for the benefit of Islam and for the benefit of jihad, a religious duty for every Muslim. Furthermore, the practice is called taqiyya or holy deception. Allah admires attaches merit to such a liar and rewards him profusely on the the day of last judgment (Qiyamah). Recently, a Muslim commentator has clarified that on three occasions, like (i) in war, (ii) or to win over a women’s heart and (iii) or for deceiving the infidels, lying is not a sin for the Muslims. So it is evident that Dr Zakir Naik will also be profusely rewarded by Allah for deceiving the infidels with his lies.
It has been said earlier that this author has several video CDs containing lecture sessions of Dr Zakir Naik and in two of them Dr Naik tries to establish similarities between Hinduism and Islam. As usual, the lecture begins with condemnation of Hinduism and he says that name Hindu has only geographical significance and the term has been imported by outsiders or foreign invaders to identify the people of India and their culture. But the holy book of Islam, or Koran mentions Islam as a religion in several places such as verses 19, 85, 119 and 185 of the Sura Al Imran (the 3rd Sura). Moreover, Koran mentions Musalman in the verse 64 of the same Sura. Hearing his words the audience, mostly Muslim blockheads, is seen to be jubilant. But no one audience pointed out that a religion should be judged not by the name, but by the message it carries. However, Dr Naik , later on, clarifies and says that the real name of Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma, or Eternal Religion. Though there is no English word equivalent to the Sanskrit word Dharma, the word religion is usually taken as the English equivalent of Dharma.
Dr Naik then clarifies that Islam is not a new religion originated by Prophet Muhammad 1400 years ago, and it came into being as soon as Allah created the first human being Adam in heaven. In my previous article “A Few Questions to Dr Zakir Naik on Islam”, I have shown that Allah created Adam not earlier than 4,127 years ago, and hence Islam, according to Dr Naik’s claim, cannot be older than the same number of years. But how old are the Vedas? Dr Naik admits that, according to Western scholars, the Vedas are the oldest literature of the mankind. But then ridicules the Hindus and says that they are polytheists and worship many Gods, while Muslims worship only one God Allah.
But it seems that Dr Naik is not aware that Hinduism is the oldest monotheist religion in the world. Apparently it appears to a commoner that Hinduism is polytheistic as Hindus worship idols of many deities. But whosoever has tried to delve into it has found that Hinduism is absolutely monotheistic. In Hinduism, God (or Îúvara) is one, but deities are many. Even a Hindu child knows that, all these deities are the manifestations of one God (Iúvara or Brahman). So the seers of the Vedas say,
Ekṃ sadviprâ bahudhâ vadanti Agniṃ Yamaṃ Mâtariúvânam âhuḥ -RV (1/164/46). (God is one but people call Him by many names like Agni, yama, Mâtariúvâ etc.) or
Suparṇ Viprâḥ kavayo bacobhirekaṃ santaṃ vahudhâ
kalpayanti- RV (10/114/5). (Him
(With fair wings though there is only One (bird), sages imagin
many).
So, when Dr Naik designates Hinduism a polytheistic religion and ridicules Hindus for worshiping many Gods, he exposes his ignorance of even a b c of Hinduism.
According to Dr Naik, Islam is the only religion that is strictly monotheistic, as its followers worship only one God Allah. But it seems, from Koran and other Islamic scriptures, that Allah is not confident that he is the only God in the world (not in the universe as Allah is aware only about heaven and earth).
Had Allah been the only God, it would not have been possible for man to find another God to worship. And had Allah been confident that there is no other God except him, he should not have been jealous of another God. For example, let us imagine a village where there is only one well as the source of fresh water. Hence there would not have been any difference whether the villagers drink water from a glass or from a pitcher, or from a jug. And as there is not an alternative source, it must have been derived from that lone well. In a similar manner, if Allah knew that there is no other God, he would have been confident that people will not find another God to worship.
But the behavioral pathern of Allah suggests that he is not confident that he is the only God. He seems always to be suspicious that there may be another God and people may worship that God instead of him and thus they may create a partner to him. So the scared Allah warns man not to worship another God or create a partner to him and says, “Say, ‘people of the Book, let us come to an agreement: that we will worship none but Allah, that we will associate none with Him, and that none of us shall set up mortals as deities besides Allah” (3: 64) [tr: N J Dawood (only the word God replaced by Allah].
In this context, it should be mentioned here that, as the Hindu God is confident that He is the only God in this universe, He does not become jealous of another God and says,
Ye api anya devatâ bhaktâ yajante úraddhayânvitaḥ z
Te api mameva kaunteya yajantyabidhipûrbakam zz Bhagavadgitâ (9: 23)
“O Kaunteya (Arjuna), even those who worship other gods with devotion (bhakti), they do really worship Me, though the rite differ from the norm” (tr: R C Zaehner). The Hindu God does not become angry and say, “you have committed the foulest sin by worshiping other gods or associating partner (shirk) with Me and I shall throw you in hell fire as a punishment for this sin, because He is confident that He is the only God, and no one could find another God to worship.
To speak the truth, Allah is not a god at all. Allah is a cruel tyrant, a barbaric killer and a violent despot. In fact, the Islamic Umma is the biggest criminal gang on earth and Allah is leader and guide of that criminal gang and is trying to establish himself as the God of the world (not of the universe) with the help of the mujahidin through terror and bloodshed. He is therefore always scared that a member of his gang may slip out of his grip and start to worship that real God, the real ruler of the universe. So he has enforced strict law that if any one of his gang tries to desert the gang, he should immediately be declared an apostate and put to death. One should also notice that, this is the standing rule of every other underworld criminal gang. If any member of the gang leaves the gang, even with the intention of leading a decent life, the other members of the gang murder him instantly due to the reason that he may disclose the secrets of the gang.
Allah in the Ṛgveda:
It has been mentioned earlier that the lectures of Dr Zakir Naik are full of naked lies. The reader should also recall that, the most merciful and all knowing and all observing Allah has given clean chit to these people like Zakir Naik to tell any lie, to do any mischief and play any deception with the kafirs, if it helps to influence them and bring them under Allah’s fold or for propagation of Islam. And Dr Zakir Naik makes unrelenting use of that command of Allah in all his lectures. So, his claim that Allah is mentioned in the Ṛgveda is also a pure lie. Dr Naik says that the verses (2/1/11), (3/30/10), (9/67/30) and (1/13/9) of the Ṛgveda contain mentioning of Allah. When I opened the Ṛgveda, I was really dumbfounded that a man like Dr Zakir Naik, the president of a recognized institute like the Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) in Mumbai, could propagate such blatant lies and that too in open gatherings.
The reader should recall that the word Âllâh has been derived from two Arabic words âl (the) and ilâh (anobject of worship). In Ṛgveda, there is a word iḷâ, with a completely different meaning. But Dr Naik, whenever could find the Sanskrit word iḷâ in the Ṛgveda, he, as his sacred duty of holy deceiption (taqyya), has declared it as mentioning of Allah, without a second thought.
For example, the verse (2/1/11) of Ṛgveda says,
Tvamagne aditirdeva dâúuṣe tvaṃ hotrâ bhâratî
bardhase girâz
Tvamiḷâ úatahimasi dakṣase tvaṃ bṛtrahâ vasupate
sarasvatî zz
“Thou, God (Agni), art Aditi to him who offers gifts: thou Hotrâ, Bhâratî, art strengthed by the song. Tthou art the hundred-wintered Iḷâ to give strength, O Lord of wealth! Vṛtra-slayer and sarasvatî” [tr: ibid]. According to Sâyana, the most celebrated commentator on the Vedas, iḷâ is the other name of Agni (the deity of fire). Furthermore, the entire Hymn (2/1) has been dedicated to God Agni and hence there is no doubt that the word iḷâ in the verse stands for Agni.
The word iḷâ also occurs in the verse (1/13/9) of the Ṛgveda, that reads,
Iḷâ, sarasvatî mahî tisro devîrmayobhuvaḥ z
Varhiḥ sîdantasridhaḥ zz
“Iḷâ, Sarasvatî and Mahî, three godesses who bring delight, be seated, peaceful, on the grass”. In this verse, Iḷâ is a godess and, according to Sâyana, Iḷâ in this verse may stand for earth, or cow, or vâc (speech).
In a similar manner, there is another word Alâ in the Ṛgveda that refers to various deities. The verse (3/30/10) contains the word and says,
Alâtṛṇo vala Indra vrajo goḥ pura hantorbhayamano byâra z
Sugatpatho akṛṇonniraje gaḥ prâvanvâṇîḥ purahûtaṃ
dhamantîḥ zz
“He who withheld the kine, in silence yielded in fear before thy blow, O Indra. He made paths easy to drive forth the cattle. Loud-breathing praises helped the much-invoked One” [tr: ibid]. Here, Alâ is the other name of Indra. The entire Hymn (3/30) has been dedicated to Indra and this confirms that the word Alâ in the verse refers to Indra. But, as the word Alâ sounds like Allah, Dr Zakir Naik, like a fool, has taken it to be a mentioning of Allah.
The word Alâ also occurs in the verse (9/67/30) of the Ṛgveda that says,
Alâyasya paraúurṇâúa tamâ pavasva deva soma z
Âkhuṃ cideva deva soma zz
– “O, deva Soma, we pray to you so that the battle-axe of our enemy gets broken- Alâ, you descend and kill our irretating enemy”. Though the Hymn (9/67) has been dedicated to both Soma and Agni, scholars believe that the word Alâ in this verse refers to Soma or the Moon (or Soma) .
According to Dr Zakir Naik, every Sanskrit dictionary contains the word Allah and says that Allah is the God. In the most authentic Sanskrit-English Dictionary by Monier Williams (A Sanskrit-English Dictionary, Motilal Benarasidass, Delhi,1981), the present author could not find the word Âllah. The words, this author could find that sound like Allah are; Al (to be competent or able), Ala (the sting in the tail of a scorpion), Alât (a firebrand or coal) and Âla (spawn, any discharge of poisonous matter from a venomous animal). Another authentic Sanskrit-English Dictionary (The Student’s Sanskrit-English Dictionary by Vaman Shivaram Apte, Motilal Benarasidass, Delhi, 2005), there is a word Allâ and says that it stands for mother.
Conclusion:
From the discussions presented above, it becomes evident that, all the utterences of Dr Zakir Naik regarding mentioning of Allah in the Ṛgveda and in the Sanskrit dictionaries are pure lies. But the question remains: Why Dr Naik is hell bent on to discover mentioning of Allah in Sanskrit literature? It has been mentioned earlier that Allah is most merciful and kind (Rahmanir Rahim) only to the Muslims. But for the non-Muslim kafirs, Allah is cruel beast and a barbaric killer. And most importantly, Allah is not at all the God or Lord of this creation and Dr Naik is striving hard to dignify Allah and to establish him as the God by discovering his name in the Vedas. His efforts are nothing but finding a pedigree for Allah.
WAKE UP!
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and here’s the piece on Muhammad in the vedas by Dr. Radhasyam Brahmachari
Whosoever has tried to go through a biography of the Prophet Muhammad authored by a Muslim, has noticed that the toughest task these authors face is to explain the Prophet’s marriages. If they take ten pages to narrate his marriages, they use more than hundred pages to justify those marriages. Why the Prophet took so many wives at his declining age? These authors don’t have any plausible reply to this question. The first and foremost duty of these authors is to rule out that sensuality of the Prophet had any role to play in his marriages. The best explanation they furnish is that the Prophet was so kind hearted that he married widows to provide food and shelter for them. In support of their argument they provide evidence that most of his wives were widows. Very nice, the Prophet played a saviour for the widows. But difficulty arises to explain his marrying Zeinab, the wife his adopted son Zeid, with the above argument as she was not a widow and as the incident exposes the indomitable sensuality of the Prophet (which Allah endorsed by revealing the verse (33:37) of the Holy Qur’an). Similar difficulty arises in explaining his marrying Rihana as well as Safia.
The explanations they import to explain these marriages may however be acceptable to the blockheads called believers, but horribly unacceptable for the civilized world. But the hardest task these authors face is to explain his marrying Ayesha at the age of 52, while Ayesha was a child of 6. Syed Amir Ali is an Indian author renowned for his book Spirit of Islam. In that book Mr Amir Ali says that the only intention that motivated the Prophet to marry Ayesha was to cement his friendship with Abu-bakr. Perhaps it is known to all that Muhammad and Abu-bakr underwent an understanding that Muhammad would give his daughter Fatima to Abu-bakr in marriage and Abu-bakr would give his daughter Ayesha to Muhammad. This kind of marriage, called Shighar Marriage, is still in vogue in Muslim society and the reader may recall that Osama bin-Laden married the daughter of Omar, the second man of Al Kaida, and Omar married the daughter of Osama. However, according to the said understanding, Muhammad married Ayesha in the first Hijra at the Abu-bakr’s house in Medina, But Muhammad delayed to perform his part of the agreement. After waiting for months, when Abu-bakr inquired about the delay, the Prophet replied that he was waiting for a command from Allah in the matter and that command never came. So, had Muhammad married Ayesha for cementing his relation with Abu-bakr, as mentioned by Mr Amir Ali, Muhammad must have given Fatima to Abu-bakr for a better cementing. Hence the argument furnished by Amir Ali does not seem to be tenable.
A Bengali author, M Abdur Rahman, has tried to explain it completely from a different angle. He asserts that, Muhammad married Ayesha to dispose off a great social responsibility. At that time, there was an urgent need to educate the Muslim women of Arabia about the extremely delicate sexual matters. But he being a male, was not fit to teach such lessons to the women. So he married Ayesha to be used as a vehicle to educate the women in sexual matters. Nice, but why he had chosen a tender girl like Ayesha? To explain this point, Mr Abdur Rahman says that a tender mind is most suitable for receiving education and that was the reason for marrying Ayesha. But it is really surprising that neither Amir Ali nor Abdur Rahman has furnished the most convincing argument, i.e. the will of Allah. Allah sent his divine sanction to Muhammad for marrying Ayesha in the form of dreams. For three consecutive nights the angel Zibrail (Gabriel of the Bible) showed a picture of Ayesha to the Prophet and said, “This is your wife.” For the first two nights, the Prophet could not recognize whose picture it was. But in the third night the he could recognize beyond doubt that it was a picture of Ayesha. So he had no other option but to comply with Allah’s divine instruction as soon as possible.
It should be noted here that whatever might be their arguments, reasoning and explanations, these authors must have to reach only one conclusion that, Muhammad was the greatest man on earth. If the conclusion deviates even by an inch, their life would be at stake. These authors also face difficulty in explaining some other deeds of the Prophet like massacring the Beni Koreiza at Madina, massacring the Beni Najir at Kheibar, shedding of blood in the holy month of Rajab at Nakhla and so on. It is obvious that it is really a hard task for these authors to explain so many blots and project him as the greatest and a flawless man on earth. It is needless to say that the task becomes much easier if it can be shown that there are foretelling of Muhammad in established and recognized holy books of other faiths like the Bible, Zend-Avesta, and, most importantly, the Sanskrit texts of the Hindus.
The Rig-Veda is globally recognized and accepted as the oldest book created by man and hence if it could be shown that there is mentioning of Muhammad in that text, it will be immensely helpful to paint the Arabian Prophet as a divine personality. Not only that, it will be helpful to deceive the Hindus and convert them to Islam. So, it does not become difficult to understand what has inspired Dr Zakir Naik to discover mentioning of Muhammad in the Rig-Veda and in other Hindu texts. But as his investigation culminated into a failure, he had no other way but to apply stupid arguments to befool the kafirs.
First of all, we should see what the Rig-Veda says about Muhammad. It should also be mentioned at the outset that two Sanskrit words śaṃsata and narāśaṃsa play the central role in Dr Naik’s arguments. According to him, the word śaṃsata stands for an individual who praises. In Arabic, such an individual is called Ahammad, the other name Prophet Muhammad. Therefore wherever he could have found the word śaṃsata, he took it as the mentioning of their Prophet. According to Zakir Naik, the second word narāśaṃsa means an individual who is to be praised or who is praiseworthy. The Arabic word Muhammad means a man who is praiseworthy. So, wherever he could have found the word narāśaṃsa, he took it to be a mentioning of Muhammad. It should be mentioned here that, where such silly arguments may lead one to. Every English dictionary contains the word praiseworthy, and, according to Zakir Naike, every English dictionary mentions the name of Muhammad. More seriously, such foolish arguments may lead one to an extremely ridiculous– goats have beard and Mr X has beard, and hence Mr X is a goat – like conclusion.
In fact, both the Sanskrit words śaṃsata and narāśaṃsa stand for a deity or God, who is praiseworthy. According to Sāyana, the most reputed commentator of the Vedas, the word narāśaṃsa means a deity or a respectable entity (not a man) that deserves to be praised by man.
However, we should have a closer look to see what Zakir Naik has to say. According to Zakir Naik, the verses (1/13/3), (1/18/9), (1/106/4), (1/142/3), (2/3/2), (5/5/2), (7/2/2), (10/64/3) and (10/182/2) of the Rig-Veda contain the word narāśaṃsa and hence mention Muhammad and the verse (8/1/1) of the Rig-Veda contains the word śaṃsata (Ahmmad), or the other name of Muhammad. In my earlier submission “Allah in the Vedas: The Treachery of Dr Zakir Naike, I have shown what kinds of dark lies Dr Naik can propagate. Here also he begins with another blatant lie and says that the word śaṃsata stands for a man who praises, the Arabic equivalent of Ahammad and hence mentions Muhammad. The said verse (8/1/1) of the Rig-Veda reads:
Mā cidanyadvi śaṃsata sakhāyo
mā riṣṇyata l
Indramitstot ā vṛṣaṇaṃ sacā sute
muhurukthā ca śaṃsata ll (8/1/1)
- Glorify naught besides, O friends; so shall no sorrow trouble you. Praise only mighty Indra when the juice is shed, and say your lauds repeatedly. (Translation: R T H Griffith; The Hymns of the Ṛgveda, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, Delhi; 1995, p-388). So the word śaṃsata (praiseworthy) in the above verse refers to deity Indra, and not a man who praises (Ahammad) as claimed by Dr Zakir Naike.
We shall now see what the verses containing the word narāśaṃsa say. In Rig-veda, a verse is refered as (x/y/z), where x stands for Mandala, y stands for Sukta and z stands for the Verse or Ṛk The verse (1/13/3) of Rig-Veda, as mentioned above, belongs to 13th Sukta of the 1st Mandala. It should also be noted here that every Sukta of the Rig-veda is dedicated to a deity. The presiding deity of the 13th Sukta of the 1st Mandala is Agni (the God of Fire). The verse says:
Narāśaṃsamiha priyamasminajña upahvaye l
Madhujihvat haviṣkṛtam ll (1/13/3)
- Dear Narāśaṃsa, sweet of toungue, the giver of oblations, I invoke to this our sacrifice (tr: ibid, p-7). As Agni is the deity of the entire 13th Sukta, there is no doubt that the word narāśaṃsa (praiseworthy to man) in the verse refers to Agni. One should also note that the word narāśaṃsa does signify a man who is praiseworthy, as claimed by Dr Zakir Naik.
The verse (1/18/9) of the Rig-Veda says:
Narāśaṃsaṃ sudhṛṣṭamamapaśyam
saprathastam l
Divo na sadmakhasam ll (1/18/9)
- I have seen Narāśaṃsa , him most resolute, most widely famed, as ‘twere the Household Priest of heaven (tr: ibid, p-11). The 18th Sukta, to which the verse belongs, is dedicated to Brahmaṇaspati, the Priest of heaven and hence the word narāśaṃsa (praiseworthy to man) in this verse refers to Brahmaṇaspati, the Priest of heaven.
The verse (1/106/4) of the Rig-Veda says:
Narāśaṃsaṃ vajinṃ vajayinniha
kṣayadvīraṃ pūṣaṇaṃ summairī mahe l
Rathaṃ na durgādvasava sudānavo
viśvasmānno ahaṃso niṣpipartana ll (1/106/4)
- To mighty Narāśaṃsa, strengthening his might, to Pūṣaṇa , ruler over men, we pray with hymns. Even as a chariot from a difficult ravine, bountiful Vasus, rescue us from all distress (tr: ibid, p-69). The 106th Sukta of 1st Mandala, to which the verse belongs, is dedicated to Viśvadevas, and hence the word narāśaṃsa (praiseworthy to man) in this verse refers to Viśvadevas.
The verse (1/142/3) of the Rig-Veda says:
śuci pāvako adbhuto madhvā
yajñaṃ mimikṣati l
Narāśaṃsasthrirā divo devo
deveṣu yajñiyaḥ ll (1/142/3)
-He wondrous, sanctifying, bright, sprinkles the sacrifice with mead, thrice, Narāśaṃsa from the heavens, a God mid Gods adorable (tr: ibid, p-98). The 142nd Sukta, to which the versae belongs, is dedicated to to deity Āprī, and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Āprī. Most of the scholars agree that Āprī is the other name of Agni and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Agni, the god of fire.
The verse (2/3/2) of the Rig-Veda says:
Narāśaṃsaḥ prati dhāmānyañjan tisro div prati mahṇā svarciḥ l
Ghṛtapruṣā manasā havyamundanmūrdhanyajñasya sanamaktu devān ll (2/3/2)
- May Narāśaṃsa lighting up the chambers, bright in his majesty through threefold heaven, steeping the gift with oil diffusing purpose, bedew the Gods at chiefest time of worship (tr: ibid, p- 132). Like the earler one, 142nd Sukta of 1st Mandal, this present 3rd Sukta of 2nd Mandala, is dedicated to the deity Āprī or Agni and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Agni the the Fire God.
The Verse (5/5/2) of Rig-Veda says:
Narāśaṃsaḥ suṣūdatīmṃ yajñamadābhyaḥ l
Kavirhi madhūhastāḥ ll (5/5/2)
- He, Narāśaṃsa, ne’er beguiled, inspiriteth this sacrifice; for sage is he, with sweets in hand (tr: ibid, p- 240). This 5th Sukta of 5th Mandala is also dedicated to Āprī or Agni and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Agni the Fire God.
The verse (7/2/2) of Rig-Veda says:
Narāśaṃsasya mahimānameṣamupa
stoṣāma yajatasya yajñaiḥ l
Ye sukratavaḥ śucayo dhiyandhāḥ
svadanti devā ubhayāni havyā ll (7/2/2)
- With sacrifice to these we men will honour the majesty of holy Narāśaṃsa – to these the pure, most wisw, the thought-inspires, Gods who enjoy both sorts of our oblations (tr: ibid, p- 334). Again this 2nd Sukta of 7th Mandala is dedicated to Āprī or Agni, and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Agni the Fire God.
The verse (10/64/3) of the Rig-Veda says:
Narā vā śaṃsaṃ pūṣṇamagohyamagni
deveddhamabhyarcase girā l
Sūryāmāsā candramasā yamaṃ divi
tritaṃ vātamuṣasamaktumaśvinā ll (10/64/3)
- To Narāśaṃsa and Pūṣaṇ I sing forth, uncocealable Agni kindled by the Gods. To Sun and Moon, two Moons, to Yama in the heaven, to Trita, Vāta, Dawn, Night and A śvins Twain (tr: ibid, p- 578). This 64th Sukta of 10th Mandala is dedicated to Viśvadevas, and the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Viśvadevas.
Nice share.
nice tight slap on saa’s face.
Respected Agnostic jee and Agniveer jee,
Excellent write ups. Please see the following link a must see in this regard and could be included at appropriate places. A whole description of Kalki avtar is given in unambiguous words which makes it very clear that Zakir Bhai is either totally ignorant or is a great lier in this case at least.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/kalki_the_next_avatar_of_God.htm
http://islam-is-easy.blogspot.com/2010/10/islam-and-theory-of-karma.html
dear mr agniveer, dr.zakir doesnt consider bhavishya purana to be authentic. Since it is hindus who consider it authentic , he quotes thier scriptures.
i really think u dont know much about quran.talking about eating meat , pls c his debate-is non veg permitted or prohibited for human beings.
u also spoke very ignorantly abt prophet muhammed(pbuh), so pls read the ahadeeth or c dr zakir’s videos instd of wasting time writing nonsense. little knowledge is dangerous!
if islam is so false then why r pple like MJ, cat stevens accepting islam?
1. If ZN does not consider any book authentic, why quote it? Which Hindu studies Bhavishya Puran? How many Hindus have even heard of it? Clearly Zakir is indulging in fraud. Moreover as explained, even if Hindus consider BP to be authentic, it only portrays Muhammad as a demon. Why is ZN trying to insult Muhammad to claim prophetdom for himself? Actually he just copied from Qadiyani sources without giving reference to original author. This is called plagiarism and is theft of intellectual property. As per Shariat, Zakir himself says that punishment of theft is cutting of hands.
2. Zakir has little intellectual capabilities. He is only a parrot. We all have seen his debates and laugh a lot on that. Only poorly educated among Muslims appreciate him. Ask Zakir to give an aptitude test and results would be clear.
3. All we have provided in all our articles are direct references from Sahih Hadiths and translations of Quran as published by Islamic publications recognized among Muslim scholars. So if you consider all this to be nonsense, you are actually supporting our own standpoint – that these publications are nonsense.
4. On Muhammad, we have very clearly stated our stand. We consider him a good person but demonized by a fake Quran and stupid Hadiths attributed falsely to his name.
5. MJ never accepted Islam. That was a false story propagated by fraud Dawah agents. Check the latest details on the hoax. What was education and intellectual capability of Cat Stevens? If Islam is so true, why people like Ali Sina quit islam despite greatest threats to life? Many others: Taslima Nasreen, Anwar Sheikh, Ibn Waraq, etc.
Tell me great contributions of Muslims in last 50 years to world in science, technology, intellect etc?
Watch this from a Muslim himself – greatest intellectual from Pakistan: He states that Muslims are weak in Maths and intelligence, and contributed absolutely zero to world. Because their ruling elite kept them Jaahil.
article proves agniveer you are true hypocrite one side u say prophet Muhammad(pbuh) a misunderstood genius and this article you give him names.
http://agniveer.com/762/muhammad/
@miracle quran
looks like you appear to be weak in reading english. Agniveer claimed that AS PER BHAVISYA PURAN, mohammad is a ghost, demon, and a mass murderer. BUT, Bhavishya Puran is not an authentic book, so thats why we do not go by it, and you should be thankful for that, otherwise all hindus would thrash your prophet’s image daily. But in reality, we believed mohammad to be a genious. But if we look at mohammad as per Bhavishya Puran, Quran, and Hadiths, which portray him as a rapist, terrorist, ghost, and looter, then we condemn him.
Well said Brother Vik!
Thanks Brother Vajra, all we have to do is speak the truth, and everything else gets resolved.
So wait I’d like to see this so-called rapist, looter, terrorist, ghost that Muhammad did. This should be fun looking at you googling nonsense up lol.
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@WellWisher caught your lies Friday prayers are clearly mentioned in Koran and Sahih Hadiths and Prophet Mohammad himself said Friday prayers are special prayers see below verse:
O ye who believe! When the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic): That is best for you if ye but knew!
And when the Prayer is finished, then may ye disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of Allah: and celebrate the Praises of Allah often (and without stint): that ye may prosper.
—Qur’an, sura 62 (Al-Jumua), ayat 9-10[1]
The Prophet said, “On every Friday the angels take their stand at every gate of the mosques to write the names of the people chronologically (i.e. according to the time of their arrival for the Friday prayer) and when the Imam sits (on the pulpit) they fold up their scrolls and get ready to listen to the sermon.”
—Collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[
The stories mentioned in Torah and Bible are also mentioned in Koran like the story of Moses, Jesus etc (JESUS IS FICTIONAL CHARACTER) which were stolen Pagan scriptures and Mythologies see below ARTICLE OF ROBIN WOODSONG
http://www.liberatedthinking.com/data/Info/christ/pagroot.html
@Wellwisher The BIGGEST LIE MUSLIM TELL is there is no caste system in their religion and PERVERT PSEUDO HISTORIAN ROMILA THAPAR’S also lied that Islamic Invasion also helped in mellowing down the effects of caste system Infact it become strong after Islamic Invasion. Ashraf muslims consider themselves superior to lower caste Ajlaf Muslims and Arzal Muslims are considered untouchables. Pakistan is more casteist than India that is proven by infamous Mukhtaran Mai gang rape case by upper caste muslims and many other cases like this. Salman Taseer killing has also casteist touches because Mullahs cannot digest a man from business community challenge the power of clergy . In Pakistan untoucability is practiced even in urban areas the shias, ahmediyas, Hindus are considered untouchables and Sunni Muslims do not share their food with them.
THE BIGGEST SIDE EFFECT OF SHARIA LAW IS THAT IT CREATES VERY RIGID CASTE SYSTEM MULLAHS BECAME VERY POWERFUL AND NOBODY CAN QUESTION THEM SO ANY MUSLIM WHO THINKS THERE IS NO CASTE SYSTEM IN ISLAM IS LIVING IN FOOL’S PARADISE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims
@WELL WISHER LIAR you said there is no mention of Friday Prayers in Koran but I proved that there is Special Mention of Friday Prayers in Koran this is the way how you debate by using lies. Your claim of being a Hindu also must be lie. See what Islam has made you —- a liar. You said Muslims, Christians, and Jews have gone astray from their original Religion so then why are you blaming Hindus when they have gone astray from their True Vedic Religion.
@HARM WISHER
You were unable to withstand 2 questions. You also continue to type in CAPITALS and you cannot engage me that way. I clarified this earlier.
there will be nothing exist but the truth. so not even religion will stand in the end
“satya evam jayatne” “ana al haqq”
religion is a mean to preserve goodness and rigtheousness (sanata dharma / akhlakul kharimah) for thoose who believe in the truth. and it’s flexible according to the evolution and or condition of people/culture in which the message is intended for
its culture that give them derivatif form and differentation but can’t you see in the essence every religion speak’s one truth?
(om tat sat, evam ekam adityam brahman | ashaduanla ila ha ila lah, waashadu anna muhammad da rosulluloh)
(tat tvam asi (atman n brahman is the same) in hindus are the same what muslim simbolically do when they sat on the last tahiyat (shalat) with speaking syahadat (allah and muhammad is the same)
(AUM = ALM)
can’t you see the om writen in sankscript is very close derivatif of muhammad writen in arabic
and theres plenty of more that what islam teach have similiar on what vedic teach
it is culture and personalification that gave us pride and exclusivism and forget the same message
on diffrent form and also there are thoose who intentionaly blurs the message by false writing and or translation for their own purpose, but never the less it is truth that will victorious
may the truth blessed upon us.
btw sorry 4 my english
my humble request to ppl commenting over here… pls dont quote someone to be liar or abuse them … before knowing the actual truth……… first do complete research then give ur comments… nd dat reasearch needs to be impartial…..
Namaste sweety
What about the article? What is Zakir Naik doing, complete research?
main bataon kahan gaye wo log?
unlogon ne islam sweekar kar liya muslims ki sangti men rahkar ja kar puch lo unse.
nahi
abhi tum kahoge unhen to muslims ne mar diya isliye hum india men upasthith tamam muslims ki hatya karenge.
kyun?
par tab tak 90% muslims ho jayenge india men jo aplog bhale hi na sweekaro lekin bahut se non-muslims daily sweekar kar rahen hain islam ko.
jakar pahle unko saza do.
कुरआन में हेराफेरी और बाइबिल से चुरायी गयी आयतें
ऐसा लगता है कि कुछ लोगों को चेलेंज करने और गालियाँ देने की बीमारी लग गयी है.इसलिए बिना किसी प्रमाण के चेलेंज देते रहते हैं .और जब कोई सबूत नहीं दे पाते हैं तो गालिओं पर उतर जाते हैं .मेरा अपने इन दोस्तों से निवेदन है कि वे पहिले इस्लाम और कुरआन के बारे ने पूरी जानकारी प्राप्त कर लें ,फिर चेलेंज करें .मेरा काम चेलेंज करना नहीं ,बल्कि झूठ का भंडा फोड़ना है.इन लोगों के चेलेंज इस प्रकार हैं
१- अल्लाह कि सिर्फ चार किताबें हैं ,तौरेत ,ज़बूर ,इंजील और कुरआन
यह बात सरासर गलत है ,इन चारों के अलावा अल्लाह कीऔर भी किताबें हैं जो अल्लाह ने नाबिओं और रसूलों को दी है
“हने नूह .इब्राहीम ,इस्माइल ,इशाक,याकूब,ईसा,अय्यूब,हारून,मूसा ,सुलेमान को किताबें दीं.और दाउद को भी ज़बूर दी .सूरा अन निसा ४:१६३
“हमने इब्राहीम और मूसा को किताब दी “सूरा अल आला -८७:१९
२-कुरआन कुरआन विज्ञान सम्मत है
यह बात भी गलत है .कुरआन में दो पूरब और दो पश्चिम बताये गए हैं .मुसलमान बताएं की वह किस पश्चिम की तरफ नमाज़ पढ़ते हैं ?
“अल्लाह दोनों पूरबों और दोनों पश्चिमों का रब है “सूरा रहमान -५५:१७
३- कुरआन में परिवर्तन नहीं .
यह बात भी झूठ और कुरआन के विरुद्ध है .अल्लाह खुद कहता है कि”हम एक आयत की वैसी ही दूसरी आयत बदल कर लाते हैं ”
सूरा अन नहल-१६:१०१
यह बात तो अल्लाह कि है जो समय समय पर कुरआन की आयतें बदलता रहता था .और पुरानी आयत जगह नयी आयत रख देता था.
लेकिन खलीफा ऊमर ने कुरआन की दो पूरी की पूरी सूरतें कुरआन से निकलवा दी थीं कुरआन जिस क्रम से नाजिल हुआ था वह कुरआन का वास्तविक रूप नहीं है.कुरआन २३ सालों में थोड़ा थोड़ा जमा होता गया था.और मुहम्मद का कातिब ज़ैद बिन साबित कभी चमड़े ,पत्तों ,या झिल्ली पर लिख लेता था .जब कुरआनके उन हिस्सों को जमा करने और एक पुस्तक बनाने की बात आयी तो ,खलीफा अबूबकर और ऊमर ने कुरआन से वह हिस्से निकलवा दिए जो हज़रत अली की शान में थे मिश्कात -किताबुल हुदूद बाब १ पेज ३०१
इस तरह कुरआन में कुल ११४ सूरतें हैं .कुरआन से सूरा नूरैन और सूरा विलायत निकाल दी गयी .
यह बात “दबिस्ताने मज़ाहिब “नाम की किताब में पेज २२० और २२१ पर दी गयी है ,हम आपको दोनों सूरते दे रहे है .
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Miracle/nurain.हटमल
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Miracle/wilaya.हटमल
इस बात से साबित होता हैकि वर्त्तमान कुरआन पूरा नहीं है .इसमे ११४ की जगह ११६ सूरतें होना चाहिए .
४- मुहम्मद के पास यहूदी और ईसाई धर्म की किताबें थीं.यह बात शिया किताब अल काफी में दी गयी है .
“इमाम जाफर ने अबू बशर से पूछा कि मुसहफे फातिमा क्या है तो वह बोला ,नबी ने हजरत अली से कहा कि ज्ञान प्राप्त करने के लिए हज़ारों दरवाजे हैं और हर दरवाजे में हज़ार दरवाजे खुलते हैं .फिर नबी ने एक सफ़ेद रंग के चमड़े के थैले को दिखाकर कहा इसमे दुनिया का सारा ज्ञान है ,जो हो चुका है और हो रहा है.अली ने पूछा कि इसमे क्या है .तो नबी ने बताया इसमें तौरेत,ज़बूर इंजील और सहीफे इब्राहीम हैं
और इसमे कुरआन के वे अंश हैं जो मैं तुम से बोलकर लिखवाता था.कुरआन के उन हिस्सों को मुसहफे फातिमा कहा जाता है.”
http://www.al-kafi.org/bok%204.हतं
यह हदीस इमाम जाफर की है ,जो मुहम्मद के वंशज और शिया लोगों के छठवे इमाम है .जो कभी झूठ नही बोलते
५- मुहम्मद अपनी वसीयत लिखना चाहते थे
यह बात भी शिया वेबसाईट से पता चली है हम कोपी कर के प्रमाण दे रहे हैं
“जब हज़रत पैगम्बर सल्लल्लाहो अलैहे वा आलेही वसल्लम ने बीमारी की अवस्था मे अपने जीवन के अन्तिम चरण मे कहा कि कलम व काग़ज़ दो ताकि मैं तुम्हारे लिए एक ऐसी बात लिख दूँ कि तुम मेरे बाद भटक न सको। तो आदरनीय उमर ने कहा कि पैगम्बर पर दर्द की अधिकता है जिस कारण ऐसा कह रहे हैं। हमारे लिए अल्लाह की किताब काफ़ी है।( सहीह बुखारी किताबुल इल्म) परन्तु जब आदरनीय अबुबकर ने अपने जीवन के अन्तिम चरण मे वसीयत लिखना चाही तो आदरनीय उमर ने क्यों नही कहा कि यह दर्द की अधिकता के कारण ऐसा कह रहे हैं हमारे लिए अल्लाह की किताब काफ़ी है?”
http://www.al-shia.org/html/hin/?id=shia-म
६-कुरआन में बाइबिल से आयते चुरायी गयी हैं
जैसा कि हम बता चुके है कि मुहम्मद के पास तौरेत ,ज़बूर और इंजील तीनों किताबें थी .इनको मिलाकर बाइबिल कहते हैं मुहम्मद ने इन से ही शब्दश इनकी आयतें कुरआन में लिख दी है .नमूना देखिये
अ-तौरेत से चुरायी आयत
“हमने उनपर किसास तय कर दिया ,कि जान के बदलेजान ,आँख के बदले आँख ,कान के बदले कान ,नाक के बदले नाक ,और दांत के बदले दांत “सूरा मायदा -५:४५
यही आयत बाइबिल के पुराने नियम की पुस्तक निर्गमन -२१:२३ से २५ तक दी गयी है
ब-ज़बूर से चुरायी गयी आयत
“हमने लिख दिया कि धर्मी लोग पृथ्वी के अधिकारी होंगे ,और उसमे सदा वसे रहेंगे .सूरा अम्बिया-२१”१०५
यही बात बाईबिल की पुस्तक भजन संहिता -३७:२९ में लिखी है
स- इंजील से चुरायी गयी आयतें
“बेशक जिन्होंने हमारी निशानियों को झुठलाया और घमंड किया उनके आगे स्वर्ग के दरवाजे नहीं खुलेंगे ,और वे स्वर्ग में दाखिल नहीं होंगे .चाहे ऊंट सुई के नाके से क्यों न गुजर जाए सूरा अल आराफ -७:४०
यही बात बाइबिल के नए नियम लूका -१८:२५,मरकुस -१०:२५ और मत्ती -१९:२४ में दी गयी है
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bhai aap ka naam kya hai aor aap kya hain . main aap ki jo baat hai ki quran me jo ayat hai wo injeel torait jooboor se chura liya gaya hai.jawab me mai ye kahna chahoonga ki aap maan rahe ho ki ye sari kitaben khuda ki hain.to isme chori ki baat kahan se aa gayi. bhayi prkashan (khuda) to ek hi hai .to chori kaisa .misal ke liye jab hum log padhte hain jis kitab ko to kuch saal ke baad usme update hota hai.to purani cheejen to rahti hain aor usme me nayi cheejen add kar diya jata hai. phi kafi saal baad thodi aor update hoti hai.in update me parkasn same hai .isi parakar torait aayi fhir usme update huwa zooboor aayi.phir injeel.parkashan same (ishwar)hai. aor antim kitab quran hai to zahir ki isme pahle ki bhi bahut si baten hogi.
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Muhummad(pbuh) could’nt convert his uncle to islam, us uncle ka baap hi hindusthan, qayamat ayega,judjement bi hoga par aap pure hairan hoge darti pe ‘hindusthan hi,hindu bi hi’.
What a double standard?
When Muhammad speaks @ Quran, he is suffering epilepsy, but when Rishis speak @ Vedas he is normal.
When Rishis pass messages of Vedas to Brahma & world they are not called messengers or so called prophet,
When Muhammad pass messages about Quran he is called prophet.
When you take milk from cow without their acknowledge or approval, is called justice, but when
people eat the meat you call injustice.
When you wear leather belts or some material made of animal skins you call it justice, but when
muslims deny to use it you call them hypocrite.
when a person burnt in crematorium which creates pollution you call it justice, when
muslims bury it you call it human remains pollution.
@ds:
I will address one of your comments:
When Muhammad speaks @ Quran, he is suffering epilepsy, but when Rishis speak @ Vedas he is normal.
Muhammad’s Quran (actually it was compiled after his death…so, it is the compilers’ Quran) has hatespeech against non-believers. Only someone steeped in hatred suffering delusions can come up with something as brutal as the Quran. If the Quran had said that every child born on Thursday ought to be immediately put to death would you then acknowledge that old Mo suffered epilepsy?
This Zakir is a Fool and and an Idiot and a Hypocrite. Firstly when Bhavishya Purana has Mohammed he goes about saying proudly that Mohammed and Islam is mentioned in Hindu books however when we point out that Mohammed is shown as a Ghost in BP he says BP is not authentic..such a HYPOCRYTE
DearAgniveer,
I have been watching your site from few months as i am married to Hidu girl ,she brought my attention to this site.I saw bizzare instead of spreading message of tuthfullness and peace you are just spreading misconceptions about Islam,desist from that
If you are ethically right person ,i dont have problem with your comments about ISlama Bla Bla bla, But i doubt your honest soul because saw you misquioing quran and piblically abusing Islam.We have been taught in quran dont disrespect any religion otherwise you will be punished i think yours will be otherwise case.but i know that is not true.Come let us have debate on Islam and Hindusim whichs is true religion without abusing and insulting each other.I promise i will convert to hinduism if there will be on verse ethicaly wrong in Quran. I can tell you so many errors in all of your sacred books.
the person who will loose the battel here will have to conver. Is it done.
Take care i am waitting
@Asrar:
you misquioing quran and piblically abusing Islam.
Isnt Quran a public document? Doesnt it contain some of the vilest verses about the future for non-Muslims? If you want a realistic debate, then please tell us which verses of the Quran are no longer relevant, which are historical and which are true for all of humankind for all times to come.
If there is something WRONG that is being mentioned here, correct the mistake in our interpretation of Islam/Quran. We dont have to formally AGREE to debate you. The debate is already started. Instead of prefacing your arguments with a general introduction get to the point already about where Hinduism is wrong and where Islam is right.
I will take care.
Namaste
1. Kindly show one evidence from the site where we have abused any religion or its models? Difference in opinion based on facts does not amount to showing disrespect. We don’t want to convert anyone to any religion except religion of honesty of intention.
2. Whatever quotes we have given are from established translations of Quran. We never abuse original Quran, but do question these translations in the era of science and reason.
3. Feel free to debate with visitors to the site. We respect freedom of speech. However to discuss with Agniveer scholars, kindly review http://agniveer.com/terms/eligibility-rules-for-debate/ and submit your application.
4. By the way, is your wife still a Hindu after marriage? If yes, we have great respect from your belief in tolerance and respect for all human beings. But then your Nikaah is invalid as per mullahs like Zakir Naik. If not, then I have nothing to comment.
5. The comments that we have made on interpretations of Quran have also been made by people like Sir Syed Ahmad, Ghulam Jelani et al. Have you read Dual Islam by Dr Jelani and Quran translation by Sir Syed? Sir Syed was given a fatwa of death by the same set of fanatic Mullahs whose legacy modern fanatics like Zakir Naik represent.
Anyways, our brotherly advise would be to explore more, keep minds open, be accepting of counter-views without feeling of hatred and pray that even all so-called non-believers should rightly go to Heaven regardless of their religious beliefs. That would be true Islam as per root meaning of the word which existed even centuries before the first Quran was written 20 years after murder of the great Muhammad by his own followers.
I leave it to visitors to peacefully discuss this further and spread better understanding and tolerance among each other.
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PS: I met a very gentle devout Bohra Muslim who is a great person but believes that Ali was the greatest person born ever and that non-Muslims can also achieve Heaven. Another friend of mine is an Ismaili who does not keep Rozas and believes in rebirth. Both of them openly criticize typical Wahabi interpretations of Quran as propagated by Zakir etc. Am not sure whether such people are Muslims in first place as per Zakir! And if not, why not consider Agniveer as yet another Muslim sect who believes in original Quran or Vedas? Enjoy the Eid with all humans of the world by accepting goodness in sacred books like Vedas and rejecting those interpretations of Quran that differentiate between believers and non-believers. Ameen!
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Namaste Israr
———-I promise i will convert to hinduism if there will be on verse ethicaly wrong in Quran.———
Do you agree with the Islamic punishment of death for apostasy? If yes, you lied that you will convert. And if you dont agree with this Islamic law, you have already changed your Islamic stand and in that case you are not Muslim.
Waiting for your reply!
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paadarniy shri ,asarar ji , kya aap batla sakenge ki quran me ek bhi koi maulik [buniyadi] sachhai kya hai ? beshak quran me anek sachhaiya hai lekin vah pahale ayi kitabo ki “jhuthan ” matr hai ! quran me kaha gaya ki [dekhye quran38 /75] jisme khud allah ji kahrahe hai ki hamne apne “dono hatho ” se adam ji ko banaya ! quran me anek jagah yah bhi kaha gaya hai ki allah ji ek aise singhasan par baithe huye hai , jisko 8 farishte usko uthaye huye hai !, 8 farishte “simit ” hai , singhasan bhi simit hai tab us par baithne vala simit kyo nahi hoga ? jo simitho vah sarvshaktman kaise ho sakta hai > aisi anek quran ayte paraspar virodhi bhi hai ! muhammad ji ne bagair nikah ke anek mahilao se sex sambandh kiye ? sath apne mane huye bete zaid ki patni ji [zainab ji] se bhi bagair nikah ke sex kiya ! 50 sal ki umr me bhi anek patniya hote huye bhi matr 6-7 sal ki kanya [aysha ji ] jo poti saman thi , usse nikah kiya ? ham aap se puchna chhenge ki yah “dushit mansikta” muhammad ji ne kyo banai ? aaj bhi ashikane rasool hone ka dam bharne vale muslim bhi muhammad ji ke in karnamo ko nahi duharate hai ? jo bahut achha karte hai ? muhammad ji se jyada achhe to “is mudde “par aaj ke bahut se muslim bhi haai jo unka yah ganda acharan nahi karte hai ! abhi to hamne kuch hi prashn rakhe hai , asha karta hun ki aapuska javab jarur denge ! nahi to apko svat: islam ka tyag turant kar dena chahiye !
@all
First for your clearification read your sanscrit langauge well and debate with your Gurus Fisrt prominant one being aShankar Achariya, Shri SHri Ravi Shankar, Swami Agnesh then come to me
See what actually Bavisha Purana Has to Say ,but you guys are molesting your own sacred book and send wrong message to mankind
“”The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, “O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations.”
I strongly belive the way of Islamic punishment go and check google and other authentic statistical sources then see where is the lowest crime rate in the world Saudi Arabia (The only country in the world following the ways of Islamic punishment) “This time In india debate is going weather Kashmb shud be hanged or not i feel he must be, that will send signal to whole world we an bear it.otherwise everbody will feel no body can do…
@ agni Why my only half comment only , this is not fair. i had given justifcation and reasoining , and reply to all your doubts
I think this site is fake one just for spreading message of haterd and misconceptions and delima about Islam.
See my wife is Hindu Brahmin , i had some regard for Hindu dharma but you people here are molesting image all over. I think i should restrain my self to visit this site now
@Asrar
Before you run away from here and restrain yourself from visiting this site, you must know that there is a comment policy http://agniveer.com/terms/comment-policy/ according to which the comment should not exceed 2000 characters and if it does, it gets chopped. It is same for everyone.
———-read your sanscrit langauge well and debate with your Gurus Fisrt prominant one being aShankar Achariya, Shri SHri Ravi Shankar, Swami Agnesh then come to me———–
who are you and why should we come to you after debating these people?
———–See what actually Bavisha Purana Has to Say————
What bhavishya puran says has been discussed in article, read it.
———-I strongly belive the way of Islamic punishment——–
So you believe in death penalty for apostasy? Yes/No.
If yes, then you lied that you will convert to Hinduism. If no then you are not Muslim
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Namaste,
See my article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sukta_of_Atharvaveda_cited_in_Shabda-Kalpadrum
about Allopanishad. I have no comment about Bhavishya Purana because i have not researched it yet.
Salam.
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The muhammad sahab’s activity like a deamon and the Allah ( Daiyta Guru Sukrachara ) ,May be the sura ( dream ) seen by muhammad sahab is of Daitya guru Sukrachara ( Allah ) , because the anger shown ( like “Agar tumne quran ki aayton ko zhuthlaya ..to …..AZAB / punishment”) in Quran revels that this religion is based on threats.He also says it is last and final means that fool followers don’t try to think about reality.
Some facts are good in quran but those are beneficial for only muslims not humanity.Mohammd never visited India because of fear.The words of namaz as i konw are like —come from left side , come from right side , collect here and cry- Allah is great— reveals that fools are instructed by Demon leader.In face if they are wisdom they should say like – come , collect and let we discuss.
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परम पूज्य श्री इरफ़ान जी , कुरान हो बाइबिल आदि यह सब कैसे ईश्वर की किताब हो गई ? ईश्वर क्या है?किसको ईश्वर कहा जाये ? जरा यह भी तो समझिये ! किसी भी बात का अन्धानुकरण म़त कीजिये ! ईश्वर एक शक्ति का नाम है ! वह कैसे किसी फ़रिश्ते के माध्यम से कुरान की आयते भेज सकती है ? क्या किसी शक्ति के पास फ़रिश्ते आदि हो सकते है ? जब फ़रिश्ते ही नहीं होते, तब भेजे गा कैसे ? जब इश्वर सब जगह व्याप्त है ! तब भेजना , या लेना , देना कैसे हो सकता है ? क्या कभी हवा कोई चीज किसी के पास भेजती है ? या कोई आपको दर्द बुखार आदि भेजता है ? यह तो अंदर से आता है ऐसे ही कोई भी ज्ञान हो वह अन्दर ही पनपता है देख कर के , सुन करके ,चख करके ,छू करके , सूंघ करके और सोच करके ! फिर कुरान कैसे आई ? क्या ईश्वर फ़रिश्ते का मोहताज था जो उसकी सहायता ली ? जव ईश्वर सारा संसार बनाने में किसी की सहायता नहीं लेता तबसंसार के मुकाबले में एक छोटी सी कुरान वह भी २३ साल में जिसको देना हो उसके लिए फरिश्तो की सहायता लेनी पड़े ? क्या उस ईश्वर की तौहीन नहीं है ? यह कुरान तो ईश्वर की बहुत बड़ी बेइज्जती करवाती है ! जब आपके- हमारे मष्तिष्क में अच्छे बुरे विचार आ सकते है तब किसी कुरान को “भेजने ” की बात कहना ईश्वर के साथ बहुत बड़ा मजाक उडाना है ! जरा सोचिये , फिर हमको जवाब भी दीजिएगा !संभव है की आपको हमारे विचारो से परेशानी हुई हो , क्योकि सभी लोगइस मामले में अपने पारिवारिक ढंग से विचार करते है उसके आगे सोच ही नहीं पाते ,बाक़ी जगह अपनी बुद्धि अवश्य लगाया करते है ! यह मनुष्य का बहुत बड़ा दुर्भाग्य है ! अगर आपको हमसे कोई तकलीफ हुई हो तो हम आपसे असंख्यबार क्षमा चाहेंगे , फिर भी हमारा उद्देश्य अपनी बात रखना अवश्य है ! आपका कोटिश: धन्यवाद !
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बहुत अच्छा उत्तर दिया है आपने! ऐसा लगता है शैतान अल्लाह से जयादा ताकत रखता है ! शैतान बिना किसी फरिस्ते की सहायता के आदमी को गुमराह कर सकता है और उसके मन में गलत विचार ला सकता है! परन्तु अल्लाह को अपना संदेश देने के लिए फरिस्तो की जरुरत पड़ती है!लेकिन एक प्रशन उठता है की शैतान लोगो को गुमराह करता है इसलिए वो शैतान है, परन्तु शैतान को किसने गुमराह किया की वो शैतान बना? क्या अल्लाह ने ?
परम आदरणीय श्री ट्रूथ सीकर जी , आपको हमारा जवाब पसंद आया, उसकेलिए कोटिश: धन्यवाद !तथा कथित अल्लाह जी ने ही तो परम आदरणीय श्री इब्लीस जी [जिसको शैतान कहा जाता है ] को पैदा भी किया है ,जब शैतान की तासीर[गुण] ऐसी है तब अल्लाह की तासीर भी तो वैसी ही होगी ! जैसे गेंहू के रवे के हलुए में गेंहू Aका स्वाद भी आता है , और चने के रवे के हलुए में चने का का स्वाद आता है ! आप यह भी ध्यानं दीजिये जो हमसे मुस्लिम बहस करते है वह बहुत जल्दी इस मंच को छोड़ कर भाग जाते है, ऐसा हमने महसूस किया है !
Hi Agniveer,
I have one small question about islam.If allah know about past,present and future.If there is only one birth and there is no rebirth then how allah already decided who will go in jannat and jahhanum and on which basis.
Exp-
Suppose,I have two brother,one is gentleman and other is just opposite and allah already know that second one will go in jahhanum because allah already decided in one birth that who will in jannat and who will in jahhnumm otherwise everyone will go in jannat/jahhnumm because we can not change and how we can change,allah know and already decided 20..30% will jannat and 80..70% in jahhnumm. Before quran,everyone was kafir beacuse If I don’ know about quran then how i will fallow it, means everyone will go in jahannum.
Exp-Before AIDS patient and Dr. research,nobody know that If I will use condom then I will safe from AIDS.Before Dr. analysis if anyone will do Sex with AIDS patient then will get AIDS.
Now I have another question
Before joined quran I was a kafir/non muslim.I done sex with some person and got AIDS but I am uneducated person and don’t know about AIDS and others thing,I only know about quran and joined it. Now I am muslim and not a kafir.I got married and first wife died with AIDS and again I married and I killed 6 wifes by AIDS.As I fallow quran and non kafir then I will get jannat or not.
Hello Rakesh
Lets wait for some Islamic genius to reply.
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From the Kurma Purana: In the Pine Forest , Shiva seduces the wives of the sages, so the sages curse him for this immoral behavior:
“When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga.’ The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14. [O'Flaherty, Wendy D. Siva: The Erotic Ascetic. Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. p.132].
From the Bhavisya Purana — In another version, Shiva (and the other two deities of the Trimurti) rape the sage Atri’s wife and are punished:
“One day when the sage Atri was performing asceticism with his wife Anasuya, Brahma, Visnu and Siva came to him and offered him a boon. When Atri continued to meditate, the three gods went to Anasuya; Siva had his linga in his hand, Vishnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma, beside himself with desire, said, ‘Make love to me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But the three gods were overcome by delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry, and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped as a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was born as Durvasas.” — Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78. [O'Flaherty, Wendy D. The Origins of Evil in Hindu Mythology.? Pub.: University of California Press. ISBN
0-520-04098-8. pp.302-303].
Incidentally, the behavior of Lord Shiva’s wife, the goddess Parvati, was not really any better than her husband’s behavior. In the Siva and Kalika Puranas, Parvati shamelessly walks out of the bedroom half-naked, revealing her breasts:
“When the gods interrupted Siva and Parvati, two sons were born of drops of Siva’s seed. These sons were then posted at the…
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Oh oh oh…
Have you ever tried to read the story of Anusuya ??
Here is the truth – (Although I dont believe on these stories, but there is nothing wrong in this story)
Once Vishnu, brahma and Siva came to Anusuya. Rishi was outside that time. They asked Anushuya to feed them. Anusuya brought some cooked food. But they three refused, and asked to be breast feeded.
Anushushya smiled at them and said, only babies of the age below 2yr are breast feeded. So you have to be my baby. Then by the grace of the power of Anushuya they became babies and stayed with her as her children.
Come on, say where is it wrong ?
Although, you may argue, how the Gods became kid etc.. But for you before saying so, do some research. and read all the articles of Agniveer first.
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@ Akhila Padhi ,
So Shiva Tore Linga – As per you it is not wrong
Shiva ask for Breast milk from a lady – As per you it is also not wrong
Great Gods,Great Religion and Great Story !!!!
Shame on you Guys…….
Hyder
@Hyder
No, as per him, you’re an Idiot, a Semi-Literate. Who can’t even comprehend simple plain English and don’t have any other job than copy-paste. Go back to your madarssa, your filth is most suited there.
@ Nuclear ,
If you don’t have answer why are you people screaming??. Try to answer the questions and thus prove yourself.
Now, Hyder, let me share with you my viewpoints on your copy-pasted material. Shiva was an ascetic who attained salvation through penances. He is not paramatman (universal consciousness). He committed a lot of mistakes during his lifetime as we all do and was punished for that one way or the other. Unlike in your faith where Allah who absolves every one of their crimes if they please him by singing hymns in his honor, in SD everyone is held accountable for his/her mistakes and has to pay the price for it. Nobody is let off the hook.
“When the gods interrupted Siva and Parvati, two sons were born of drops of Siva’s seed. These sons were then posted at the door to prevent further interruptions while Siva made love to Parvati, having promised the gods that he would not spill his seed in her. One day Parvati came out of the bedroom in great dishabille, half naked, her breasts scored with teeth marks. The two sons chanced to see her like that, and they were upset, but Parvati became angry and said, ‘Why have you looked at me when I was not in a state to be seen by anyone but my husband? You should have closed your eyes. Since you have done this immoral thing, you will be reborn as mortal men with the faces of monkeys.’ Then they were miserable and protested that it was her fault for having come out so suddenly, and they cursed her to become a mortal queen (Taravati) and Siva to be her husband (Candrasekhara) so that they themselves might be born again as their sons, Vetala and Bhairava.”
– Siva Purana 3:21:1-8; Kalika Purana 49:1-92, 50:1-64, 51:1-60, 52:1-155, 53:1-217.? [O'Flaherty, Wendy D.? Siva: The Erotic Ascetic.? Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. pp.308-309].
what is the MORAL OF THE ABOVE STORIES FROM THE SAID SCRIPTURES?
Purans are the imaginary stories.These should not be considered a s sacred texts.But “ankh ke andhe aur ganth ke pure” always believe only in these stories.
Thank you!
@Vinay Arya
Since i show wrong in your religious books why cant you accept it !!!!
Dear Hyder
I do not accept Purans,Gita,Bible etc. The sacred texts in which I believe iareas follows in short:
Four Vedas,Four Upavedas,Six darshans,Ramayan By Valmiki,Mahabharat by Vyas,only ten upanishadas, etc.
If anything imaginary,against science is found even these scriptures,I would certainly reject them.
Also,I do read the translation of Vedas by stupd,illiterate persons who are just as kids..I read the translation of Vedas by Maharshi Dayanand and his true followers.You should read the literature of Swami Dayanand and get acquanted with the true religion.Even if some unscientific is found in the books by Maharshi Dayanand and his true followers then I would certainly reject it.
Also,I have different definition of religion.The definition is:
Always accept the truth and decline the false.
The word “religion” is not bound in the so-called scriptures because the truth can be completely different.
I am not any Pauranic,quranic etc.I am not kttarpanthi.But whatever truth is there in the world’s any corner is my “religion”.
I said that Purans cannot be the books of religion.Then why are you asking”Since i show wrong in your religious books why cant you accept it !!!!”?Just to play with me.No.No.No. I am not going to reply if you would agan say false.As I have already said that Purans cannot be the books of religion then why do you ask me I do not accept the truth
Dear Vinay ,
I am a Hindu Girl by default , I have been reading ur Answers …though some time i think you are on a right path but another end u make me confuse,like u said ..(I do not accept Purans,Gita,Bible etc. The sacred texts in which I believe iareas follows in short:
Four Vedas,Four Upavedas,Six darshans,Ramayan By Valmiki,Mahabharat by Vyas,only ten upanishadas, etc.and If anything imaginary,against science is found even these scriptures,I would certainly reject them.)jabki hamare sare scriptures imaginary he hai), cause these are written and sound like kiddish …..is that mean that there is some thing wrong written by all these great are stupids according to you …just because they have written truth and we have shame on our part ?…..and you follow Swami Dayanand or Maharishi dayanad ….because they have Elaborate words which sound good to you and have cover the truth ….well coming to the confusion ( how do u know that the person u r following is correct and y dont you agree to those who had written our vedas,purans, gita …are they all are foolish and you and Maharishi dayand is correct …….some wher up you have written Hindus are innocent and they agree very easily and people make fool to them, (which is very correct) …but you are also doing the same thing with all my Brothers and sisters …….Glati ko manna YAHI Hindu dharm hai …na k galat disha mai batkana …..
well rest up to you if you could give me some point answers …..and plz dont play with words in that ….
Regards
Ritika
Dear Vinay ,
I am a Hindu Girl by default , I have been reading ur Answers …though some time i think you are on a right path but another end u make me confuse,like u said ..(I do not accept Purans,Gita,Bible etc. The sacred texts in which I believe iareas follows in short:
Four Vedas,Four Upavedas,Six darshans,Ramayan By Valmiki,Mahabharat by Vyas,only ten upanishadas, etc.and If anything imaginary,against science is found even these scriptures,I would certainly reject them.)jabki hamare sare scriptures imaginary he hai), cause these are written and sound like kiddish …..is that mean that there is some thing wrong written by all these great are stupids according to you …just because they have written truth and we have shame on our part ?…..and you follow Swami Dayanand or Maharishi dayanad ….because they have Elaborate words which sound good to you and have cover the truth ….well coming to the confusion ( how do u know that the person u r following is correct and y dont you agree to those who had written our vedas,purans, gita …are they all are foolish and you and Maharishi dayand is correct …….some wher up you have written Hindus are innocent and they agree very easily and people make fool to them, (which is very correct) …but you are also doing the same thing with all my Brothers and sisters …….Glati ko manna YAHI Hindu dharm hai …na k galat disha mai batkana …..
well rest up to you if you could give me some point answers …..and plz dont play with words in that ….
Regards
Ritika
Dear Ritika
Have you ever read the works of Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati?It loolk like you never read them.You should read his works.You are completely unaware of the world of Pakandis.Also,how can the imaginary stories of Puranas come true.I can know the person following is true because I use my intellect hddne in me.My intellect after too much hard work says that Maharshi Dayanand is right and others are Pakhandis.I am not destroying your brothers and sisters.Have you read this site even properly?I try to get the proof of what a man is saying.If there is not proof the man is considered to be false and if there is then he is true.Our past was not so much bad as written in Puranas etc.However the peiod from Muslims or from Biddha was tooo bad.Puranas are not early works but are recent.Please use your intellect to find out the truth.And Also read “SAtyarth Prakash” of Maharshi Dayanand.Develop your analytical intellectual skills. etc etc.
I am not doing he same thing for your brothers and sisters..
About Maharishi Dayanand Saraswati , he was a great personality . No doubt in that . He was the one who introduced the Shuddhi Movement , as our Hindu Brahmins and community were reluctant to bring in the people back to our religion ( who those became christians can’t again become hindu again ) , thanks to Maharishi dayanand , who changed all of this .
But again , He was one of the many intellectuals of the community .
You have to believe in others as well .
The idea is that :: Human Mind’s analytic / intellectual power is decreasing . Now a days people like us ( You , Me and althose who considers themselves ) will give the lamest excuse ( We don’t have time , Ah , its boring , oopsie , its too hard to understand etc )
when it comes to doing research , Indians tries to flee away .
Before giving your immature authority / opinions , just try to devote some time to read those scriptures .
Also the publications of the Sanatan Dharma predates every single religion , there is absolutely no one who can deny this fact .
A year ago , I used to blindly follow that every religion is equal , etc but when I heard about how Hindus were slaughtered since 1100 AD by Mohammed’s , Christians , recently the Temples were Bombed in NYC ( USA ) , Bengal , Rajasthan , Tamil Nadu . It changed everything .
Get Real , Get Life .
विनय आर्य / पृथ्वी तथा अन्य सनातन धर्म के समर्थको,
सादर प्रणाम ।
कृप्या यह अंतर्जाल्यक्षेत्र देखे और अन्यो को दिखाए!
http://in.news.yahoo.com/photos/afghanistan-s-child-bride-torture-1325743466-slideshow/
इस्लाम प्रमुख देशो में वेश्याओ की माँग देखिए तथा अन्यो को दिखाए ! एक पन्द्रह वर्षीय बालिका की दुर्दशा यह सिद्ध करती है कि यदि ब्रह्माण्ड में कही शैतान है तो वह मात्र एक मुस्लिम ही हो सकता है।
@VEDIC GOD IS GREAT
Islam gives Highest respect to women. Such small incident happens everywhere. Dont make issue over small things. Prophet (PBUH) taught us to give greatest regards to women. Prophet helped a lot of women who had lost their husband, brother in wars. Islam never allows killing of women while having wars with kaffirs or dis-believers. This news may be false to denigrate Islam.
I still fail to see the purported wrong in this story. Husband and wife sleeping together and engaging in love-making, and sons and mother cursing one another on account of a misunderstanding is wrong, and Muhammad legitimizing sexual slavery, polygamy, easy divorces, rapes, loot, murder, etc. is right. Now, the picture is clear to me: You have got an outrageously bigoted viewpoint there.
@ SDC & Vinay Arya
You may not find anything wrong in this because you are such a creature like shiva “When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga.’ The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14. [O'Flaherty, Wendy D. Siva: The Erotic Ascetic. Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. p.132]. Your role model is shiva.I saw many rishies who make shiva role model.They always half naked.Come to the true religion islam.”Muhammad legitimizing sexual slavery, polygamy, easy divorces, rapes, loot, murder, etc.” Can you show a single phrase in quran showing all these.If you can then i will left Islam.
Vinay Arya suddenly say that puranaas (Kurma,Shiva & Bavisha Puranaas)are not his religious books because he found that the phrases i mentioned are correct and no need to worship any more this Shiva and his linga.
The problem with you Hyder is the little knowledge that you possess of both these religions. You want me to quote para, chapter, and verse. So, here you go:
Qur’an (33:50) – “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee”
Qur’an (23:5-6) – “..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess…” This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur’an (70:29-30).
Qur’an (4:24) – “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Qur’an (8:69) – “But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good” A reference to war booty (ghanimah).
@ SDC,
Throughout history, people have taken to worship things or people alongside Allah, or just worshiping something else like power, status or money. Even the names of religions seem have more to do with the creation and less or nothing to do with the Creator. For example: Buddhism – Buddha (the name of a man), Confucianism – Confucius (the name of a man), Hinduism – Hind (the name of an area), Judaism – Judah (the name of a tribe) and Christianity – Christ (the name of a great prophet).
Islam is different. Islam is a word coming from the verb “aslama” and it carries the meaning of “surrender”, “submission”, between you and Almighty Allah (God) and not to any human or anything within creation. Anyone who practices Islam submits to and worships Allah alone without any partners of any kind.
Islam teaches that God is One. Therefore the set of laws governing the universe is one. The oneness of the Creator, also, means that everything — whether living or non-living — is God’s creation. So they are bound to function in accordance with the nature assigned to them by God.
@ SDC,
In Hinduism, forms of Ishwara (i.e., the supreme God) such as Brahma (The creator), Vishnu (The preserver) and Shiva (The destroyer) are viewed as taking incarnations (Avatars), usually as a human) and coming down to the earth to bless humanity and rid the world of sins. Rama and Krishna are two of the most famous avatars of Vishnu and are highly popular among the Hindu masses. Hindus worship the same one God under different forms and even through icons.Shivas (who identify God with Shiva) believe their God Shiva has 11 avatars, wives Sati and Parvati and Sons Ganesha and Karthikeya. Lord Shiva is conceived in his unborn, invisible form as the Shiva Lingam. The Lingam represents as the male creative energy of Shiva. This main symbol of Shiva is worshipped in every Shaiva Hindu temple and home. Through it Shiva is worshipped as the supreme consciousness. Embracing the base of the linga is the yoni, the female organ, as the universal energy, as Shakti, Shiva’s spouse.
But Islam follows a monotheistic view. Allah is the singular, transcendent, indivisible, and All-Pervading one true God, and this principle of monotheism is called Tawhid. Allah, the God, is considered ineffable, omniscient, omnipotent and has infinite attributes. Attribution of divinity to a created entity, shirk(polytheism), is considered as a denial of the truth of God and thus a major sin.Allah neither takes incarnations, nor has wives, Sons or daughters. “Say: He is Allah. the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.” (Sura 112:1-4)
@SDC,
Everything in this universe except God is the creation of God. God is different from all of his creations, because God is the maker and keeper of them all. The maker of anything must be different from and greater than the things which he makes. Muslims worship such a God, called Allah in Arabic language.
In the world there must be a Great force in action to keep everything in order.
In the beautiful nature there must be a great artist who creates the most charming pieces of art and produces everything for a special purpose in life.
This force is the strongest of all forces,
And this Artist is the greatest of all artists.
The true believers and deeply enlightened people recognize this Artist and call him God. They call him God because God is the creator and the chief architect of the world,
The originator of life and the provider of all things in existence.
God is not a man because no man can create or make another man. God is neither father nor son. God has no son or daughters. God is not an animal, nor God is a plant.
God is neither an idol nor God is a statue of any kind because none of these things can make itself or create anything else.
God is not a machine. God is neither the Sun nor is God the Moon or any other Star, because these things are controlled by a great system, and are themselves made by someone else.
God is different from all these things, because God is the maker and keeper of them all.
The maker of anything must be different from and greater than the thing which he makes.
The maker and Sustainer of the world, the creator and provider for man, the active force and effective power in nature are all one and the same, and that is known to be Allah.
“It is God Who has made the night for you, that you may rest therein, and the day to see. Verily God is full of Grace and bounty to men. Yet most men give no thanks. Such is God, your Lord, the creator of all things. There is no god but He; why then do you turn away from him. Thus are turned away those who deny the signs of God. It is God who has made for you the earth as a resting place and the sky as a shelter, and has given you shape and made your shapes beautiful, and has provided for you sustenance of things good and pure; such is God your Lord. So glory to God, the lord of the worlds! He is the living (One); There is no god but He; call upon Him, giving him sincere devotion. Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds” (Holy Qur’an)
So, we need such a God and believe in that God and praise and worship that God only.
May God Bless all of us to quest the truth.
@hyder
What about your pedo prophet?
@ Sharvak,
Far better than your shiva who tore linga out and vanished.Shame on you guys to worship that linga which is placed in parvathi’s yoni.
Lord Siva is the deity symbolically presents the controller of death/ destruction (the destruction is for further construction). Mahavishnu and Lord Siva are said to be connected through hearts (which only means inseparable) Vishnoasya hrudayam siva: Sivosya hrudayam vishno – says Upanishads and Yajurveda. Symbolically Lord Siva has powerful fire in the third eye, powerful water and torrential air symbolically tied in the tuft and the snake around the neck (symbol of international medical association) and thri sool in hand. All the five respectively present destruction through fire, water (flood, etc) air (cyclone/ tempest,etc) diseases and using weapons. Parvathy (means energy/force/sakti) is symbolically presented as the wife of Lord Siva. Through this combination of Lord Siva and Parvathy, it is shown that the destruction for construction can take place with powerful application of any one or more of the above five. (Powerful fire, air, water, diseases and weapon only have the destruction capacity). Thus they become inseparable hence the concept of Ardhanaareeswara comes up. In fact the Brahma Vishnu Maheswara sankalpa and the Lakshmi Parvathy Sarswathi sankalpa are the symbolic presentation of the life cycle spiritual- social and physical level when scientifically explained. Always the Hindus consider the knowledge, prosperity and sakthi/power in feminine gender. These explanations (of the gods) are the connecting layers of Vedic and puranic concepts of gods.
hyder
1. If someone does not believe in this story of Shiva, is he saved from the wrath of Allah?
2. A hindu can remain hindu even if he rejects stories of Puranas or any other books. But can you do it with the stories of pedophilia, rape and sex slavery that your prophet was central character? Can you remain Muslims after rejecting such stories of Muhammad?
Tslim Shaikh, Your comment is italic
Islam gives Highest respect to womenProphet (PBUH) taught us to give greatest regards to women. Prophet helped a lot of women who had lost their husband, brother in wars. Islam never allows killing of women while having wars with kaffirs or dis-believers.
Are you expecting me to believe in anything whatever you say??? How Muhammad helped a lot of women (who lost their husbands or siblings)? By molesting them???
Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids.
Bukhari reports:
Abu Saeed said: “We went out with Allâh’s Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allâh’s Apostle who is present among us?” We asked (him) about it and he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.”
Muhammad does not forbid raping women captured in war. Instead, he indicates that when Allâh intends to create anything, nothing can prevent it. In other words, not even the absence of semen can prevent it. So Muhammad is telling his men that coitus interruptus would be futile and ill-advised because it would be an attempt to thwart the irresistible will of Allâh. Muhammad does not say a word against the forced insemination of these captive females. In fact, by criticizing coitus interruptus, in effect he supported forced insemination.
Safiyah was a beautiful 17 years old Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops raided Kheibar. She was the daughter or Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina , whom Muhammad had beheaded two years earlier along with the men of Banu Quriaza. The tribe of Banu Nadir had been already banished from Medina and their properties were confiscated. She was married to her…
@ Hyder,
Which story of Shiva you are talking about ?In Purana there is no such story.I can give you the scientific explanation of Trinity Gods.
Explanation for Mahavishnu: The blue colour of Vishnu denotes the colour of the sky and ocean which means the infinity/ limitless. The serpent on which Vishnu is lying denotes the coiled structure of a galaxy. The name of the serpent anantha means limitless (infinity) the ksheera saagaram ( ocean of milk) on which Vishnu is pictured shows milky way galaxy. Anantha sayana represent the silent universe/ galaxies. Symbolically Mahalakshmi ( meaning of this word is prosperity) has been attributed the position of the wife of Mahavishnu showing that any system can smoothly exist only with prosperity.
From Mahavishnu comes out through a Lotus (symbolically) the creator Lord Brahma. This symbolically presents a connection of Lord Brahma with the prapancha purhsa similar to the connection of the baby in the womb of the mother. The baby takes the energy and nutrition for growing/ cell production from the mother. Similarly Lord Brahma takes energy and material from for creation in the world. The four heads of Lord Brahma represent the four axes required for any creation: x, y, z and time axes. The Vedas (the word itself means knowledge) in the hands of Lord Brahma and the position of Saraswathy (deity of knowledge) as the wife of the creator symbolically present that for every creation knowledge/ vidya is required. The knowledge and creation (knowledge for creation) are inseparable components.
Lord Siva is the deity symbolically presents the controller of death/ destruction (the destruction is for further construction). Mahavishnu and Lord Siva are said to be connected through hearts (which only means inseparable) Vishnoasya hrudayam siva: Sivosya hrudayam vishno – says Upanishads and Yajurveda. Symbolically Lord Siva has powerful fire in the third eye, powerful water and torrential air symbolically tied in the tuft and the snake around the neck (symbol of…
jihadi hyder
you muslims always hides or denies your atrocities,i have read the quran which prohibits free thoughts ,only hell fire, encourages discrimination ,slavery ,murdering of unbelievers ,is not true muslim countries treat religious minorities like crap.
see this
http://www.wikiislam.net
http://www.faithfreedom.org
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
your true religion have crossed milestone in killing 18,000 lives and going on
@ Pritvi,
What about the incident in Gujarat and Ayodhya?
hyder
What happened in Gujarat and Ayodhya and why?
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@ Aatish,
1. If someone does not believe in this story of Shiva, is he saved from the wrath of Allah?
Ans : – Believing Shiva who is a dirty creature is your choice.
2. A hindu can remain hindu even if he rejects stories of Puranas or any other books. But can you do it with the stories of pedophilia, rape and sex slavery that your prophet was central character? Can you remain Muslims after rejecting such stories of Muhammad?
Ans : – There is no such dirty stories in Quran then why we need to reject.
hyder
1. I did not ask what is my choice, I know it better than you. Answer the question asked.
2. So you believe that
(i) Sex slavery, rape and pedophilia are dirty
(ii) Muhammad did not do/preach/support slavery, rape and pedophilia
Good, now if I show you that (ii) is false, will you leave Islam?
Aatish recently posted..Islamic Imperialism in India
1. I did not ask what is my choice, I know it better than you. Answer the question asked.
Ans : The answer i had given is more than enough .This question itself reveals that you need to worship dirty Shiva and his penis.
2. So you believe that
(i) Sex slavery, rape and pedophilia are dirty
Ans : – Yes with out any doubt because i am not a worshiper of Shiva
(ii) Muhammad did not do/preach/support slavery, rape and pedophilia
Ans : – No,Never
Good, now if I show you that (ii) is false, will you leave Islam?
Ans: – I show mistakes of Shiva.Are you ready to leave Hinduism?I challenge you to prove the 2nd statement with quotes from Quran
hyder
1. Question here is not Shiva with penis or Allah without penis or eunuch. Question was, will Allah save those from hell who dont believe in Shiva?
2. I dont believe in Shiva you mentioned. I reject any immoral, illogical story found anywhere. So no question of leaving Hinduism because I dont believe in that ‘Hinduism’ in first place.
Explain Quran [33:50] here. What was the age of Aisha when Muhammad married her?
Dear Hyder ,
Please don’t use wrong language and don’t point to anyone God ……I know this is making you Hyper when you read all these stupid quotes……..jiski jitni soch hai vo utna he soceyga …..tum bekar he apna zaban karab kar rahey ho …yeh nahi maneygey apni galtiyo ko na sharmayge …inhey jitna samjaogey usey galat disha mai le jayge jissey inki baat sahi ho …..
anyways sach kya hai vo sab quran mai likha hai …..tov en jhuti sacchi kahaniyo se koi fark nahi padta …..aur agar islaam galat hota tov duniya mai sabsey zada tezi se nai falta …..islaam apney sath ans kudh lata hai ….
AB yeh kaheygey k islaam talvar se falaya gaya hai ……tov ek baat socho meray samjdaar dosto k India mai sabze zada Mugals ne hukumat ki 800 saal tak ..tab sab ko unhoney maar kaat k hindu nahi bana diya ……aur sabse bada example tov Muhammad sallah wasalam k ghar mai thay unkey chacha jo kudh hindu he mare ….kya unhey zor zabardasti se islaam kubul nahi kara saktey thay …….well chodo yeh samjna he nahi chatey …..sirf nafrat payda karney kaam kar rahe hai yeh site chalaney vale aur kuch nahi ……
Mr. Danish…
inhey jitna samjaogey usey galat disha mai le jayge jissey inki baat sahi ho
अच्छा तो तुम यह कहना चाहते हो कि सच्ची दिशा तुम्हे ही पता है। तेरा जो भी विश्वास है उसकी 1000 गलतिया तेरे सामने रखुंगा – देखता हु तु कौनसी सही दिशा में ले जाता है। http://1000mistakes.com/CorrectingRefuting.html पर जाकर देख लो। पता चल जाएगा कि मुसलमान सिर्फ पागलखाने से आए हुए होते है। क्यो नही – क़ुरान तो मात्र अन्धानुकरण ही सिखाती है। चल मान लिया कि दूसरो कि दिशा गलत है – अबे क्या तेरी दिशा सही है पहले यह बता। तुम्हे पता तो कुछ है नही – चले हवा में फुंक मारने। मारो मारो – कोई फायदा नही होगा। मैं तो यही कहता हु कि एक नास्तिक कि दिशा सबसे सही है। उसके लिए कोई अल्लाह नही अत: त्रुतिया होने का प्रश्न नही उठता।
anyways sach kya hai vo sab quran mai likha hai
तरीका तो वही सही है जिसमें अधिकाधिक लोगो का भला हो सके। तुम्हारी क़ुरान तो मूर्खो द्वारा लिखि गई है। बेचारे नास्तिको को तो मारने का हुकुम है। तुम मूर्खोने अल्लाह को तानाशाह बनाकर रखा है और शैतान को अल्लाह ने बनाया है। तुम्हारी पुस्तक पढकर कोई भी बुद्धिमान व्यक्ति दो ही काम करेगा:
1>>> नास्तिक हो जाएगा ।
2>>> गैर मुस्लिम हो जाएगा ॥
अच्छा है कि क़ुरान मुझे नही पढनी। तुम अब्राहम के उपासक खुद नास्तिकवाद के जन्मदाता हो। तुम्हारे पुस्तक तुम्हारा भला नही कर सकते। 72 टुकडे है इस्लाम के जो जहन्नुम जाएंगे और बस 1 सच्ची जमात है। शर्म करो मूर्खो … ।
tab sab ko unhoney maar kaat k hindu nahi bana diya
बेटा यह मत भूलना कि हिन्दुओ में महाराणा प्रताप, छत्रपति शिवाजी भी थे। यदि वह न होते तो मुग़ल तो अपना कार्य कर ही देते। तुम्हे इतिहास तो पता है ही नही – चले गप्प हाँकने।
aur sabse bada example tov Muhammad sallah wasalam k ghar mai thay unkey chacha jo kudh hindu he mare
1 ही उदाहरण मिला भई! तलवार की नोंक कहने वालो को पूछो – 1000 दे देंगे । मै खुद 50 जानता हु।
aur agar islaam galat hota tov duniya mai sabsey zada tezi se nai falta
Let’s review some statistics.
Fastest growing deadly disease = AIDS
Fastest spreading crime = RAPE
Fastest spreading disease due to mosquito bite = DENGUE
Most Dumped item = GARBAGE INTO…
aur agar islaam galat hota tov duniya mai sabsey zada tezi se nai falta
Let’s review some statistics.
Fastest growing deadly disease = AIDS
Fastest spreading crime = RAPE
Fastest spreading disease due to mosquito bite = DENGUE
Most Dumped item = GARBAGE INTO DUSTBIN
Most famous sickness = MENTAL ILLNESS
~ly, Fastest growing religion = ISLAM. What’s the big deal ??? While promoting something, JOKERS BOAST ABOUT QUANTITY WHILE CHAMPIONS DISCUSS QUALITY.
I do believe in ATHEISM but would happily accept Islam provided you answer my this simple question.
Tell me names of 100 scientists, 100 thinkers \ philosophers, 100 poets who made Quran as reference. Don’t reply without counting. If you can’t answer, I have no interest in this stupid cult.
you are talking about gujarat and ayodhya
who is responsible for gujarat riots ,how many muslims have condemned burning of 57 innocent people by jihadi mob ,gujarati hindus have been persecuted by muslims since conquest by muslims ,your islamic hero mahmud ghaznavi what he has done to somnath temple, see the history gujarat riots , who is the responsible?
and for ayodhya thousands of temples have been demolished by the muslims since centuries , see kashi viswanath temple is not it destroyed by aurangzeb,
what you have to say about kashmiri pandits , what is the opinion for malabar massacre by muslims in which hindus were killed one sided in the name of khilafat movement,
what is the situation of hindus in pakistan and bangladesh
@ Aatish,
1. Question here is not Shiva with penis or Allah without penis or eunuch. Question was, will Allah save those from hell who dont believe in Shiva?
Ans: – Allah will save only the people who believes in him and follow his path.
2. I dont believe in Shiva you mentioned. I reject any immoral, illogical story found anywhere. So no question of leaving Hinduism because I dont believe in that ‘Hinduism’ in first place.
Ans : – It is better to reject if mistakes are shown and thus you will finally reject Hindu Dharma or Vedic Dharma.
Explain Quran [33:50] here. What was the age of Aisha when Muhammad married her?
Ans : Where is Aisha in Quran [33:50] ?
Hyder
1. When this was what I asked, why were you wasting time? And dont you feel shame on your Gabbar Singh style Allah who will save you only if you believe in him blindly?
2. Where did I correlate [33:50] and Aisha? These two are separate. So now answer these two separately.
Aatish recently posted..Islamic Imperialism in India
@ Prithvi
Gujarat : – These are all the stories made by Hindus.Even if Hindus are killed by some terrorists,is the right way of reply is by killing the poor Muslims.Then what is the difference between Hindus and terrorists?It is not the problem of Hindus but the problem of their religious books which teaches to kill the family members for the kingdom.
Ayodhya :- Building up some stories to support the terrorist activities will not work.Some stories had been made by historians .By believing that Hindus destroy the Holy mosque.This is what happened in Ayodhya.
Dumber hyder
Yes, only the stories of flying donkeys, virgin mothers, talking ants, weeping stones, angles, Jinns, breaking moons, heaven, hell, Adam, Eve etc are true being propagated by true historians and scientists. Rest others are liars.
Aatish recently posted..Islamic Imperialism in India
that what i say you muslims always denied your own atrocities ,by killing thousands of non-muslims you say islam is the religion of peace , where are you getting wrong informations ? from your pakistani historians , when muslims are in majority they always persecutes the ethnic minorities and when they are in minorities they demand various benefits from the govt, in every islamic countries there are islamic terrorist organisations in the name of allah and from quranic instructions.majority of crimes are commited by muslims in india and other countries.who said the muslims to attack non-muslims land, what happen to the zoroastrians in iran by religion of peace,there are so many incidents of your peaceful religion, but you still talking about gujarat and ayodhya, but denies kashmir ,bangladesh ,pakistan hindu genocide,and you say stories made by hindus, in every muslim countries there have been ethnic cleanising of religious minorities,even many ex-muslims like ali sina,ibn warraq,mariam namazie,ehsan jami ,magdi alam have criticised the Islam why? If hindus are intoleraant then how muslims are growing in india
why there have been thousands of mosques and madrasaas, compare your muslim countries with non-muslim countries see what is crap condition of muslims.
@ Aatish,
Please quote verses and then claim else it is not at all valid.
@Prithvi,
I think you are u a terrorist of RSS or Shivasena.How can you justify killing the poor Muslims ?As i ask this you are diverting some other subject which is not in India.
Have some shame Hyder. Nowhere has prithvi or anyone else justified killing of any Muslim. They have on contrary raised questions on why non-Muslims are persecuted in Muslim majority as a religious duty. It is you who are shamelessly diverting the topic because you have ran out of reasons.
@hyder
Brother, I am with u. Please carry on your scholarly debate with these Kaffirs. Hey, Kaffiro accept Islam otherwise go in hell.
@ Pritvi,Raja,Aathish,kal Bhairav,Vinay Arya etc,
Please explain the below quotes what your vedas says about Women
A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband and avails the privilege of serving her husband in the other world. (Atharva Veda 18-3-1)
Woman is the source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At the time of the puberty she makes her parents weep. At the time of the marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits lot of blunders and brings bad name to the entire family, relatives and Varna . She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and other family members. She is called ‘DARIKA’ because she is source of sorrow to all. (Aithareya Brahmana)
Mr. Hyder, I already mentioned that You shall Quote Vedas in Sanskrit. Bcoz when you write them in English, you refer to Griffith OR other jokers.
इयं नारी पतिलोकं वृणाना निपद्यत उपत्वा मर्त्यप्रेतम ।
धर्मं पूराणमनुपालयंती तस्या प्रजा द्रविणं चेह धेही ॥ अथर्व वेद 18.3.1
अर्थात हे मनुष्य, यह नारी पति के घर को चाहती हुई, पुराने धर्म को पालती हुई, मृत होने पर भी पति की स्तुती करती है। वह स्त्री संतान और बल धारण करे।
Where is sacrifical pyre here? OR is it your imagination ? HAHAHA. In Sanskrit, one word means many things, therefore one has to see context and apply. Leave it – how will Arabic jokers understand that? Quote the Sanskrit verse from Aitereya Brahmana. That will show the loopholes in your arguments.
Hyder read this ( of coursed this is copied)
——Women Who Refuse Sex Will Be Cursed by Angels——–
The following Hadith also makes it clear that women are created for men and for their satisfaction.
”Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.” [15]
The above makes one wonder, whether Allah has nothing better to do than worrying about the sexual pleasures of Muslim men! It seems absurd that God would employ a host of angels to do nothing but sit around and curse the women who do not sexually please their husbands. To curse means invoking the wrath of God. Why would God need so many angles to invoke his wrath on frigid women when he can punish them his own? There seems to be a lot of redundancies and mismanagements up there. It is like the president of a country, have his staff lobby him for the plans that he wants to put into action. It just makes no sense. If these angels are paid then this is a complete waste of divine funds and if they are not paid then it is slavery. You can’t say the angels do this voluntarily because the angles do nothing without the will of Allah. There are more hadiths on this subject:
“Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, when a man calls his wife to his bed, and she does not respond, the One Who is in the heaven is displeased with her until he (her husband) is pleased with her.” [16]
And
“The Prophet said, “If a woman spends the night deserting her husband’s bed (does not sleep with him), then the angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband).” [17]
It is hard to determine why Muhammad was so concerned about this issue. Perhaps it helps to remember that he was an old man when his numerous wives were mostly teenagers or in their early twenties. His teeth must have been decaying and his…
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It is hard to determine why Muhammad was so concerned about this issue. Perhaps it helps to remember that he was an old man when his numerous wives were mostly teenagers or in their early twenties. His teeth must have been decaying and his mouth had a foul smell. As I have shown in Understanding Muhammad, he emitted a foul smell that he tried to mask with abundance of perfume. He was also impotent. It is natural to assume that his young wives were not that much desirous to share their bed with an old, smelly and impotent man like him. Is it possible that Muhammad concocted these stories to intimidate his young wives not to reject his sexual advances, when he wanted to “fondle” them? Or do you think Allah is also a pimp?
According to the Prophet of Allah, a man’s sexual urges are such an emergency that his wife must leave her food burn in the oven rather than leave him alone in bed with an erection.
The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven.” [18]
Imagine kids coming home:
- Mom, we are home and hungry.
- Oh, I am sorry, but the dinner is burnt.
- Ah agaaaaain?
- Yes my dear. Daddy had an emergency, which mommy had to attend to.
- But Mom, you said the same also yesterday.
- I know my sweet heart. Daddy lately spends a lot of time on the Internet.
Hyder
Men Can Beat Their Wives
Muhammad instructed men to beat their wives if they are not obedient.
”and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” [9]
Mishkat al-Masabih narrates: “the above verse was revealed in connection with a woman who complained to Mohammad that her husband slapped her on the face (which was still marked by the slap). At first the Prophet said to her: ‘Get even with him’, but then added: ‘Wait until I think about it.’ Later on the above verse was revealed, after which the Prophet said: ‘We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best.’” [10]
Maybe on the spur of the moment and faced with this obvious injustice, Muhammad was moved by a fleeting rash of compassion, but that did not last very long. Soon he thought about the implications of what he had said and how this would affect his own relationship with his rebellious wives. So he made his Allah issue that shamefully unjust verse giving men the liberty to beat their wives to make them obedient.
As it is clear from the above verse, a woman does not have to disobey her husband in order to be beaten. Her husband can beat her only if he FEARS that she may disobey her. As Irshah Manji in “The trouble with Islam: writes (p34 regarding 4:34) “To deserve a beating, a woman doesn’t have to disobey anybody, a man merely has to fear her disobedience. His insecurity becomes her problem”
Good women do not complain if their husbands beat them:
“Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab: Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the…
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Good women do not complain if their husbands beat them:
“Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab: Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.” [Muslim 11:2141]
The husband does not have to explain to anyone why he beats his wife.
“Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.” [Muslim 11:2142]
Muhammad went as far as to say women should prostrate in front of their husbands:
“If I were to command anyone to make prostration before another I would command women to prostrate themselves before their husbands, because of the special right over them given to husbands by Allah.” [11]
In a hadith Aisha narrated one night Muhammad, left her home after he thought she is asleep. She secretly followed her and when he came back and saw she was panting, he inquired where she had gone. [Poor man was extremely paranoid whether his wives were cheating]. He told her if she concealed what she was doing the “Subtle and the Aware” [ghosts] would inform him. Aisha says that when I confessed that I had followed him, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain,” [Muslim4.2127 ]
@ Spirit,
These quotes are not in Quran.These are your own wordings and stories.Please quote the correct phrases.
@ Hyder,
Sanathana Dharma is widely accepted in the world now a days.If you go to USA in 186 universities Bagavath Gita is a part of the syllabus. In Harvard University – Bagavath Geetha is the part of MBA Syllabus. In Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) – Sanskrit is one of the compulsory subject. In Toronto University – Department of Hinduism is the biggest department. In Manitoba University – Sanathana Dharma is teaching in different batches.In America 17 Million people is practicing yoga daily – a news from Indian Express in 2007.22% Americans moved to Vegetarian Diet. Ayurveda is widely accepted.I just mention America as an example because America is a very developed country in Scientific Field.As Swami Vivekananda said 21st century belong to we Indians.The world is turning towards India and you are still with your Quran and Prophet.Come let us together enjoy the essence of nearly 1500 basic foundation books in India based on various subject.Try to learn these books at least to criticize.
Hyder
So you reject sahi hadiths????????
Do you wanna see how quran falls miserable to my posts????? I really become surprise how Islam still surviveS!!!!! but I got the answers to my questions why Islam is surviving till now………
Lets have a discussion on quran…….. I have produced a sura in my cricket ground today……..
if you have guts lets have a discussion……………. topic would be ” QURAN IS SACRED”
@ Spirit,
‘why Islam is surviving till now’ – Because Islam is only the true religion and from the god.
I am ready to have discussion with you but if you ask 1 question i will also ask one about Hindu Mythology.If you can agree with that i am ready always.
@Hyder
________why Islam is surviving________________
1. Because Islam is most peaceful religion of world.
2. Because Islam give lure of 72 virgin afterlife.
3. Because Islam support bowing head before stones.
4. Because Islam support we should include human also in God prayer.
Hyder
Your Muhammad was a child molester. He was born in a primitive area of Saudi Arabia among the lacherous people. Muhammad didn’t even think about the problem of a girl child (aging his grand daughter) before thighing her. Now you and your dumber Naik would also legitimatize this………..
Enjoy the sacred texts of Sahi Muslims { (for you) but nothing but a scandal for me}
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated ‘Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
@ Spirit,
Do you have any quotes from the original Quran to establish these quotes else don’t think that you are smart.Give the proof and come for a debate.
Hyder
——-Do you have any quotes from the original Quran to establish these quotes else don’t think that you are smart.Give the proof and come for a debate.——-
Kindly name original quran which you are referring to. Are you referring to that Quran that Shia musalman claims?????? Are you referring to that 17000 versed quran????
Hyder
——-Do you have any quotes from the original Quran to establish these quotes else don’t think that you are smart.Give the proof and come for a debate.——-
Kindly name original quran which you are referring to. Are you referring to that Quran that Shia musalman claims original?????? Are you referring to that 17000 versed quran????
Any body can explain why Bagavth Gita teaches to fight between the relatives for the land,money and girls?
Any body can explain why in Mahabaratha Panjalay has 5 husbands.?
Any body can explain why bali was killed by Rama when he was fighting with Sugreev?
Any body can explain why sreekrishna having sex with radha before marriage?
Any body can explain why sreekrishna have 1600 wives?
hyder
first you read these books carefully don’t relay on copy paste articles from pakistani blogs,
your hadiths are semi pornographic books
@ Hyder
Any body can explain why Bagavth Gita teaches to fight between the relatives for the land,money and girls?
Ans : -Bagavath Gita is the message of Karma.It is not fight between the relatives.But the story look like that.In fact Bharatha War is inside our self.Pandavas are the very few good qualities in us and Kouravas are the much more bad qualities.The whole Bagavath Gita teach us to kill all this bad qualities in you and make it to good qualities.If you read Bagavath Gita in this sense you will understand the essence of the book.In addition bagavath githa is a crisis management book too.
Any body can explain why in Mahabaratha Panjalay has 5 husbands.?
Ans:- I don’t know the answer of this.I request any scholar here to irradiate your doubts on this question .I too will wait for that.
Any body can explain why bali was killed by Rama when he was fighting with Sugreev?
Ans : – Ramayana is a story which teaches you about Dharma.The dharma of Father,Son,Husband,Wife,King,Brother etc..It teaches what to do and what not to by showing us the results to the doer.If you read Valmiki Ramayana the question you raised is asked by the wife of Bali and sreerama is giving answer for that.The opposite action of this is coming to SreeRama when he come as Sreekrishna in his next birth.The same bali (his after Birth)is killing Sreekrishna(after birth of Rama). This clearly teach us that for each and every action there is an equal and opposite reaction experienced by the doer as said by Sreekrishna in Bagavath Gita.
I will also copy here an explanation given by one brother in this website itself.
a) Bali was not unarmed : Bali was very powerfull. His hands were his arms. It is said that he was able to absorve all the powers of arms and weapons of the enemies who come before him. Hence, in practical view he was not unarmed. Hence Sri Ram did not kill some one when he was unarmed.
b)Bali was not killed when he was engaged in fight with some one else : In Ramayan, it is very clearly written that, Ram waited till Sugriva is grounded by Bali. Hence in practical view, the fight was over, hence this allegation is base less too.
c) Reason of Killing Bali: Ram went to Sugriva for help. He came to know that Bali had forcefully taken wife of Sugriva, and he was engaged in disturbing the kingdom in many ways. So it was for the betterment of the kingdom to kill Bali. And the method of killing Bali was a well planned war. So nothing wrong in it. Sri Ram saved a kingdom.
Any body can explain why sreekrishna having sex with radha before marriage?
Ans : – Radha is a symbolic representation of knowledge.There is no such story in puranaas showing krishna had sex with radha.This is your own imagination or some body gave you wrong information.
Any body can explain why sreekrishna have 1600 wives?
Ans:- Krishna does not have 1600 wives. Krishna gave the status of Rajapatnee ( Just like Mao Tse Tung, in China gave national women status for the women prisoners when he released them from Chinese jail) for thousands (16000) of women prisoners who were in the jail of Narakasura.Why he had given Rajapatnee Status? – As the women prisoners are not accepted by their husbands, parents and the society people (because they were with Narakasura) they ask for the help of krishna and thus Krishna gave them rajapatnee status.
You questions are answered now except one .Now it is your turn to explain what Mr.Spirit shows you from Quran regarding your prophet. If you cannot answer please learn quran or learn religious books of India before raising such questions.
As per Abdul Kalam(true muslim) former president of India his role model is Vidhura who is a character from Mahabharata. I request you to learn some Indian books and you will also get some role models which helps you to guide your life in a very pleasant manner.
@ Bagyaraj,
1)Why in Mahabharata Panjalay has 5 husbands?
2)How you can Say Abimanyu is the son of Arjuna why not Bhima,Udishtira etc?
3)Your Holy book permits to have 5 or more husbands for a lady.How she will know the father of the baby she is having?
4)Why your are worshiping penis of shiva?Why don’ t you worship others penis?
5)Why sex symbols are there in walls of temples?Are you not shame to go to temples with your family?
6)Why you worshiping the Idols in temples as it is not even permitted in your Vedas ?
7)Why sreekrishna took the dress of gopies and enjoyed their nudeness when they were taking bath?
There are a lot of questions in this dirty Hindu mythology which you can’t answer. why to continue in such a religion?Learn the holy Qur’an and be a true Islam.
@Hyder
____________Why in Mahabharata Panjalay has 5 husbands___________
Mahabharat is mostly adulterated Text. As per scholars original Mahabharat had only 10000 Verses written by Ved Vyas but now it contains 120000 verses. That means 100000 verses has been added later. It should be interpreted as far as it is in the line of Veda rest should be rejected.
For more detail on this click the link given below
http://vedmandir.com/content/questions-answers-october-09-2011
___________How you can Say Abimanyu is the son of Arjuna why not Bhima,Udishtira etc?_______________
Abhimanu got birth from Subhadra who was wife of Arjun.
__________Your Holy book permits to have 5 or more husbands for a lady___________________
Sorry, u got the information from wrong sources who want to demean Hinduism. It is completely immoral and against Veda.
Click on the link given above
________Why your are worshiping penis of shiva?Why don’ t you worship others penis___________
It is against Veda. People are unaware of Vedic knowledge that why they are worshiping Shivaling but not in the sense of penish but as a symbol of God. Stone worshiping is not mention in Veda. So worshiping of any stone what may Kaba stone or Shiva linga stone is against Veda.
__________Why you worshiping the Idols in temples as it is not even permitted in your Vedas_____________
Because as earlier said people are unaware of Vedic knolwedge that why they are bowing head before Kaba stone or any other stones.
___________Why sreekrishna took the dress of gopies and enjoyed their nudeness when they were taking bath________
Veda nowhere have such story. Krishna was a great legend. All such stories are man made like false propaganda that Mohamad did sex with a child named Aisha or Mohamad did sex with her daughter Zainab & mohamd did sex with slaves women.
@ Hyder,
I have the same answers for 1,2,3 Questions which is answered by Mr Truth Seeker.I will add some information to the answers for Questions 4,5,6,7
4) Why you are worshiping penis of shiva? Why don’t you worship others penis?
Ans : – Linga in Sanskrit also means symbol – Symbol of Shiva and not Penis.
Idol & Vigraha is different and shiva linga is a vigraha.A Vigraha can store energy and release energy. The specialty of Shiva Linga can be explained scientifically. There are nearly 200 atomic reactors in this world and nearly 95% of those have the shape of Shiva Linga. If you visit Shiva temple you can see 24 hrs water abisheka in Shiva linga in all the temples and the same process is there in atomic reactors too. A study based on this happened in last 10 years. Scientist Professor Corod Code of Moscow University had taken Kirlian photography (Gas discharge visualization photography) of various vigrahas & he calculated the storage capacity of electro magnetic energy in vigrahas. It is done in Kerala by the leading of BG Group with scientists from America. They discovered that the electromagnetic energy level which can be stored in Shiva Linga is (23×10) 39.That is the specialty of that shape and our ancestors used this because they know that it is good for health.
5)Why sex symbols are there in walls of temples?Are you not shame to go to temples with your family?
Ans: – All the spirituality/ pilgrimage /temple visit / is for the mind. Mind is resting on body.All that are present in the body are part and parcel of spirituality. However in big/great temples, the postures of animal and human beings are demonstrated with a precise aim. Temple is the place where your mental attention is diverted from worldly luxuries to divinity. This cannot be done within a few days or few visits. It is a continuous process as told by Maharshi Patnjali Abhyaasa vairaaghyaabhyaam
tannirodha only through practice and detachment this is achieved. Through bhajans, good pictures/ odor / prasadam/ touch/ contact/ etc…
@ Hyder,
5)Why sex symbols are there in walls of temples?Are you not shame to go to temples with your family?
Ans: – All the spirituality/ pilgrimage /temple visit / is for the mind. Mind is resting on body.All that are present in the body are part and parcel of spirituality. However in big/great temples, the postures of animal and human beings are demonstrated with a precise aim. Temple is the place where your mental attention is diverted from worldly luxuries to divinity. This cannot be done within a few days or few visits. It is a continuous process as told by Maharshi Patnjali Abhyaasa vairaaghyaabhyaam
tannirodha only through practice and detachment this is achieved. Through bhajans, good pictures/ odor / prasadam/ touch/ contact/ etc the attention of sensory organs can be diverted. But the attraction towards sex is not easy to divert. To make
it sure that THE ATTRACTION TOWARDS SEX IS also diverted, ONLY possible method is present it in the natural form or the form the artist feel. Remember it works /worked. You can see in Mahakshetraas people do not get attracted towards
these. These are only casual things for them.
@ Hyder,
6)Why you worshiping the Idols in temples as it is not even permitted in your Vedas ?
Vedas says those who have wisdom does not require an Idol. Thus Idol is only for a common man till he reaches higher level of spirituality, as said ‘prathima alpa buddheenaam – prathima’/ idol is meant for common man. It is only a pathway to achieve higher level to reach ‘Brahma jnaanam’. For a real yogi, in Hindu dharma Idol is not needed.
But idol worship in the temples has psychological, physiological, social, spiritual, cultural and national values to contribute for the members of the society. Indian temples are not just prayer halls it acts also as a quantum healing centers. The customs and rituals of the temples have a strong and proved scientific background.
Hindus worship in temples. The temples are not merely prayer halls for Hindus, they are the quantum healing centers (kshayaath thraaythe iti kshetra). In temples the light, heat, sound and chemical energies are filled through lighting the lamp, camphor, keeping mirrors, etc. The sound energy through manthra, ringing of the bells, musical instruments, bhajans etc. The chemical energy is from bathies, aromatic flowers and leaves etc. Thus the temples are energization centres in Hindu way of worship. A devotee has to stand for few minutes in the temple environment in front of the vigraha/ idol with sareera ( body) ,mana ( mind), aahaara (food), vaak (words/ talking ) and karma ( deeds) suddhee (purity) for energisation.
7) Why sreekrishna took the dress of gopies and enjoyed their nudeness when they were taking bath?
He took the dress of Gopies because they were bathing in the pond always nude and Krishna knows this activity is a disturbance for the people in that locality. So to stop this Krishna took the dress of gopies and in the story after this gopies never do such an activity because they found that the Krishna’s advice is correct and good for them and the society. No were in the story it is saying that Krishna enjoyed their nudeness. And as Truthseeker said these are all false propaganda.
There are a lot of questions in this dirty Hindu mythology which you can’t answer. why to continue in such a religion? Learn the holy Qur’an and be a true Islam.
Sex is not dirty and if you feel sex is dirty you are also dirty because you are a result of that dirty activity. Complain to your parents regarding this and don’t ever do sex in your life.
What is your intention? Do you need to prove that Islam is the best religion and Quran is the best book? You can say this to some Arabs and not to Indians because we have more than 1500 books on various subjects. How can you ask such questions without having a minimum knowledge on these books? Why are you continuously asking some doubts from wrong sources? Why don’t you answer to the questions of Mr.Spirit?
I prefer you to read Valmiki Ramayana and analyze it scientifically, rationally and logically. You will get a complete message how to live in this world with dignity and respect and how to behave to various persons.
hyde
if a muslim man gets 72 virgins in heaven ,then what a muslimah will get in heaven
72 mens i think
@All Friends
Please have a look on this book “Satan’s Trinity: Hitler, Stalin, Muhammad.”
http://satanstrinity.wordpress.com/
I really do not understand, how he claims Moh. to be KalKi Avatar, when Kal-Yug has still not arrived. KalKi-Avatar is supposed to come at end of Kal-Yug. So I think Zakir Naik must be comparing Moh. to Kali-Maata, in that case he is saying Moh. was a female. Nice work, Zakir.
Zakir’s claim of Mohammed in Hindu scriptures brought be burst into laughter. That man, first translated the word “Narashamsa” as “Praise worthy”, then translated “Praise worthy” as ” Mohammed”. Fool, does not know, Mohammed was not the first or last man on earth with that name.
My name is Akhila, means all, the best. It has many meanings and all the 99 names of Allah can safely be translated as Akhila. That means Quran says to pray me five times a day. Again my middle name is Chandra. And Mohammed went to moon to see Allah. So again its another proof.
Some one said Allah is unborn, so my claim is wrong.
I asked him, “do you agree Allah can do anything ? ” he replied yes. Then I said, why cant Allah come as human on earth ? You are doing shrik….
Lol…………
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Read this, this is better analysis of how fraud they are: Zakir Naik and Abdul Haque Vidyarthi Exposed
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Prasadh51229.htm
Atharva Veda 12:5:62 Kill the people by cutting them by tearing them by burning them into ashes by blowing those who reject the Vedas.
Hey Idol Worshipers look what your Vedas says :- If Circumambulating and Kissing means Idol worship then the Vedas strictly commands to worship Idols
Rig Veda 7.1.16 This is the Agni invoked in many places: Whom the prince, presenting oblations to, kindles, whom the ministrant priest circumambulates at sacrifices.
Rig Veda 5.60.1 …circumambulating (the fire), may I exalt the praise of the Maruts.
Rig Veda 4.6.4-5 …Agni, the offerer of the oblation, ancient and multiplying (the offerings) thrice circumambulates (the victim) like a keeper of cattle…Agni, the sacrifices, the exhilarator, the sweet spoken, the object of the sacrifice, moving measuredly, circumambulates (the victim) of his own (accord)…
Rig Veda 10.80.5 With songs of praise the Rsis call on Agni; on Agni, heroes worsted in the foray. Birds flying in the region call on Agni around a thousand cattle Agni wanders.
The above two verses says Agni circumambulated thousand cattle, Does that mean Agni worshipped cattle?
[Horace] Rig Veda 1.144.1 The ministering priest, (qualified) by experience, and possessing exalted and graceful devotion, proceeds (to celebrate) his, (Agni’s), worship,having circumambulated (the altar), he takes up the ladles which are first to present the oblations.
Rig Veda 10.114.4 With simple heart I have beheld him from anear: his Mother kisses him and he returns her kiss
The Vedas talks about circumambulating Agni and other things, if circumambulation is worship then Arya Samajis are Idol worshipers because they circumambulate cattle, Maruts (Air), Agni etc. which are born out of Prakriti and we can touch and see them (except for air), Also if kissing is an act of worship then the Vedas says to worship son and mother as it talks about kiss between the mother and son+. According to Islamic perspective invoking other things besides Allah like invoking Stone, Fire, Earthly gods… is Shirk and the Vedas speaks about invoking Agni
Rig Veda1.12.2 With callings ever they invoke Agni, Agni, Lord of the House,…
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Rig Veda1.12.2 With callings ever they invoke Agni, Agni, Lord of the House, Oblation-bearer, much beloved
Rig Veda 5.28.6 Invoke and worship Agni while the sacrificial rite proceeds…
Rig Veda 3.26.2 That Agni, bright, Vaisvanara, we invoke for help, and Matarisvan worthy of the song of praise…
Now some Hindus might argue that this is not Idol worship, Even if we admit this is not Idol worship as per definition given by Maharishi Agniveer of Agniveer Samaj then it is a major sin according to Yajur Veda 40.9 which says not to worship the things born out of Prakriti (Material, Nature, Matter…), And even a child knows Fire (Agni) is born out of Prakriti
Sam Veda 1.1.1.9 When he enkindles Agni, man should with his heart attend the song:I kindle Agni till he glows.
According to the early Muslim scholars believing Allah is embodied is Idol worship[13] and Vedas speaks of organs of deities
Rig Veda 1.62.12 Strong God, the riches which thy hands have holden from days…
Atharva Veda 11.1.12 Rest in the roaring frame of wood: be parted from husk and chaff, ye Sacrificial Fibres. May we surpass in glory all our rivals. I cast beneath my feet the men who hate us.
Yajur Veda 4.10 … Thou art the womb of Indra…
Yajur Veda 11. 29 … the womb of Agni…
Atharva Veda 3.13.4 One only God set foot on you flowing according to your will
Rig Veda 1.82.6 With holy prayer I yoke thy long-maned pair of Bays: come hitherward; thou holdest them in both thy hands.
Rig Veda 10.82.6 It rested set upon the Unborn’s navel, that One wherein abide all things existing.
Rig Veda 10.90.12 The Brahman was his mouth, of both his arms was the Rajanya made. His thighs became the Vaisya, from his feet the Sudra was produced
Rig Veda 4.32.23 Like two slight images of girls, unrobed, upon a new-wrought post, So shine the Bay Steeds in their course.
This implies Idols were created during the Vedic period and could also be worshiped for concentration, This verse is used by the Orthodox Hindu scholars to show Idol…
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This implies Idols were created during the Vedic period and could also be worshiped for concentration, This verse is used by the Orthodox Hindu scholars to show Idol Worship in Vedas.
@Hyder
Vrishch Pra Vrishch Sam Vrishch Daha Pradaha Sam Daha.”
(Atharvaveda mantra 12/5/62)
Meaning:- Oh! Ved Vanni , you (Vrishch) cut down the person who criticizes [against] Vedas i.e., those who are against the Vedas. (Pra Vrishch) tear apart (Sam Vrishch) rip apart (Daha) burn (Pradaha) set on fire (Sam Daha) reduce to ashes. So, we must try our level best to know Vedic eternal philosophy which emanates directly from Almighty God. Vedas are not sects and hence are universally applicable to all mankind. Dharma is not made by human-beings. It has already been made by Almighty God in Vedas. Whether we accept or do not accept but truth prevails.
Here this Mantra signify that Monstrous who act against Veda teachings like Raavan, Kans, Duryodhan, Hitler, Mohamad, Osama, Kasab should be killed immediately.
I challenge you please show me one thing in Veda which is wrong and should not be practiced.
@ Truth Seeker
This means those who criticize Vedas should be killed in a very brutal manner.ie all Muslims,Christians and other people from other religion had to be killed as per Vedic god.This itself clearly prove that Vedas are not from god.Vedas clearly announce to its followers to kill those who don’t follow it.This is called terrorism and from this we can clearly say the god mentioned in Vedas is a terrorist.
“I challenge you please show me one thing in Veda which is wrong and should not be practiced.” – The Atharvaveda mantra 12/5/62 is now proved to be wrong,illogical and unscientific.
I challenge you to justify this and then we will have discussion about other religious books.If you can’t justify this don’t say Qur’an also has this that etc.
Dear Hyder, what you missed out is the word “Ved Vani”. And all those mentioned following will be done by Ved vani. Ved says how to deal with fire, if you fail to follow right path you will be burn to ashes. Similar for other ways of death mentioned in this verse. Enjoy reading.
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Hyder, ur heaven is nothing than a brothel. Just imagine when ur momin father vl hav 72 houris how u ud feel abt ur father? How will ur mother think then? I m not trying to demean u. But these are problms vch islam cant solve. U raised qustions abt hinduism. I dnt believe in hinduism. I believe in humanity. And vedas r ultimate, pure and unchangable scriptures. U just copied from inauthentic source. Geting assurance of 72 houris may appeal to lacherous ppl but not to me.
@ Spirit,
If there is no explanation the same answer you are repeating ” inauthentic source”.
Please give the correct meaning of these mantras.
Meaning of om saanthi saanthi saanthi in Vedas
The first saanthi is known as the peace within our body (aadhyaatmeeka saanthi). That is the biochemical system of the body functions peacefully.
The second saanthi is the aadhiboudheeka saanthi, which is the peace around us, in family, in our house and in the offices where we work and the place where we occupy, even if it is for a meeting.
Adhi devathaa saanthi, it is the third peace in the celestial bodies and celestial phenomenon like, wind, sun, moon, clouds, forest, mountains and so on.
Thus for the peaceful life and existence of anything and everything on this earth there should be three types of saanthies. If anywhere, these three are violated, the life system will get disturbed and the system becomes imbalanced. The individual life, family life, social life and national life and international peace will be affected, if there exist a conflict among these.
Hyder, u got it wrong. Plz mention the successive mantras of every mantra those u mentioned. Ur english translation is weak. I again challenge u for a debate on quran . Do u accept? Ur quran will b proved wrong. Do u hav guts?
@ Spirit,
OK explain me what is the mantra in Atharva Veda 12:5:62.Then we will start debate and i will prove that your Vedas are the worst.
The real science is in Quran here an example.
In modern times,
After the first man landed on the moon in 1969 .After many research on soil and satellite images Nasa discovered that the moon was a body burning And its surface is covered with volcanoes and lava … But cold.
1400 years ago God said [12] And We have appointed the night and the day as two Ayât (signs etc.). Then, We have obliterated the sign of the night (with darkness) while We have made the sign of day illuminating, that you may seek bounty from your Lord, and that you may know the number of the years and the reckoning. And We have explained everything (in detail) with full explanation. (AL-ESRAA)
Imaam Ibn Katheer in his explaination That Abdullah bin Abbas, may Allah be pleased him in this verse: “The moon shines light up as the sun, which is a sign of the night, but extinguished” the question is… Did the days of Prophet have spaceships landing on the moon or the Companion of the astronauts?
In modern times,
Discovered in 1827 by a British scientist named Brown If the rain water that came down on the soil by the latest tremors shaking with
Soil particles .. . That’s because the rain is causing electrical discharges When mixed with soil … granules get away from each other and act Allowing water to enter between the parts of the soil to grow plants
But since 1400 years God says And you see the earth barren, but when We send down water (rain) on it, it is stirred (to life), and it swells and puts forth every lovely kind (of growth). Al-Hajj.
Interpretation and miracles
My god … Do you see accuracy in choosing the Term stirred (shaken) …. Only now After 1400 Years, we could understand what the meaning of the earth shook, the rain To the alleged understanding …
The question is ..Who learned the sheep shepherd these secrets?
@ Truth Seeker,Spirit, Agniveer, Dayanand fans etc…..
Can you show the same inventions in your Vedas.If the answer is no please follow Islam.
So According to you, if any scientific fact is contained in any scripture, before the modern scientists, the book is words of God. In this connection Vedas are Words of God in your loginc too (We know the Vedas are emanated from God). Just for the starter,
Rig Veda 1:164:11
द्वादशारं नहि तज्जराय वर्वर्ति चक्रं द्यामृतस्य |
आ पुत्रा अग्ने मिथुनासो अत्र सप्त शतानिं विंशतिश्च तस्थुः ||
DVADASHARAM nahi tajjaraya varvarti chakram dyamritasya |
Aa putraa agne mithunaaso atra SAPTA SHATANIM VISHATISCHA tasthuh ||
The wheel of the sun has TWELVE spokes. It is ever rotating and never halts. It never gets weakened. Oh Agnidev, in this wheel, SEVEN HUNDRED TWENTY children live.
This Richa explains the movement of earth around the Sun. Twelve spokes represent twelve months. 720 children represent 720 degrees. 360 degree a complete circle around the sun, and 360 degree around itself.
Who said billions years ago that Earth moves around the sun and as well as around itself ? Who said billions years ago that one circle is 360 degree ? And most important, who said about the numbers billions years ago ? Is not it the Almighty God ?
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was there a cycle and spokes, degrees etc billions of years ago?, i never knew that. amazing
The sky such as the balloon expands and expands constantly ..
In modern times, In 1929 occurred sensation when scientists discovered that the universe expands and grows … And size of the non-fixed .. Did not imagine this ever
But since 1400 years God said [47] With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof. (AL-THORIYAT)
Interpretation and Miracles
You do not need to explain … The meaning is very clear … Sky expands Had the Quran from the imagination of the Prophet, who paid what to say to a man The age of ignorance that the sky is widening … Of course, will accuse him of insanity …!!
What a joke this is now… Lol…. before quoting this, did you read the whole concept behind this ? Oh learned man, can you explain what is Heaven first ?
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Please hold Magnifying glass Proximity to your finger …What do you see? Fine lines are the fingerprint ..
In 1892 proved to Dr “Francis Galton” (Francis Galton) This is the footprint and lines, which vary from person to person .. Can not be similar to
1400 years ago God says
[3] Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?[4] Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.(AL-QEIYAMA)
Interpretation and miracles
Location fingerprint Infidels denied that God can brings the bones of the human …. He answered them, Lord of the Worlds was capable of turning the collection by the finger, including the precise details of the footprint … It is not something easy because it varies from person to person
Hyder,
Believe me it is not me who is debunking Islam but its you.
——1400 years ago God says
[3] Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?[4] Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.(AL-QEIYAMA)——-
You are talking as if Your Allah did not know about the phenomenon about 1500 yrs ago!!!!!!! Why your Allah could not say straightly that everyone has a unique finger print?
———-It is not something easy because it varies from person to person——–
For whom?????? It is not easy for Allah????? Really I love to see Comedy Circus, Lectures of Zakir Naik and (from now) your posts……..
Hail to you…..
Do you know what is the lowest region of the world ?
In modern times,Shown pictures of geographical .. It is the area near the Dead Sea in Palestine, where below sea level in depth (392 meters
But since 1400 years God said [1] Alif-Lâm-Mîm.[2] The Romans have been defeated.[3] In the nearer land (Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Palestine), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. (AL-ROM)
Interpretation and Miracles
the history books and interpretation says that the battle of the Roman and Persia took place in an area between Jordan and Palestine … So that’s why God said (lowest floor) Oh Messenger of God they said about you “poet” … Is it inspired poets to determine the lowest spot in the world to complement the house of the poem ?
In modern times, Scholars have stressed the following fields
1 – Sea salt does not mix with each other .. It facing them was not a barrier to see … This barrier is the density of each sea water, which prevent mixing with the sea the other ..
2 – Sea salt and fresh river also do not mix at all. Due to differences in water density
Lighting: In order to understand the meaning of density … Put some oil in a cup of water .. Find the oil floats on water and do not mix, because of the different density
1400 years ago God said1 – Sea salt
[19] He has let loosed the two seas (the salt and fresh water) meeting together.
[20] Between them is a barrier which none of them can transgress.
[21] Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?
[22] Out of them both come out pearl and coral. AL-RAHMAAN
2 – Sea salt and fresh river
[53] And it is He Who has let free the two seas (kinds of water): one palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; and He has set a barrier and a complete partition between them. (AL-FORQAN)
Interpretation and bottoms
Isthmus: its meaning barrier OH MY GOD … The Lord told us that the seas do not mix … As well as the river and the sea …
Each with a water with a special nature .. Separated by barriers, including not see .. IT IS barriers density
Message :- YOU who wants to see the stick of Musa moving until you believe … isn’t enough for you any sentence of the Qor’aan ?
Lol… This is not a revelation. This is a common sense known to all before Mohammed was born.. Fool…. Get some news first.
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In modern times, some of the scientists explore .. The world, including the U.S., Dr. Weber, a psychologist in Miami in the United States
That the moon affects too much on the rights … Especially in the days of its completion .. On 13, 14 and 15 This is because the human body 80% of water … And the power of the moon’s gravity can be severe in the days of its completion … Which affects the rights and behavior and mood .. Of course, studies of Western scholars were not fast to illustrate the wisdom of these days .. It is a very lengthy study of the impact of the moon on human … What concerns us is to the section on Day 13, 14 and 15 …
Lighting: The moon is the cause of the tides .. Because it attracts water of the sea …. In the same way affect the water in our bodies
BUT 1400 years ago The Prophet said: Abu Hurayrah may god be pleased him said: “advised me to three: fasting three days of each month, and two bow at forenoon, and pray the Witr before I sleep.” Talk properly”
Interpretation and Applications
We did not know why the days 13 – 14 – 15, which specifically ordered by the Prophet peace be upon him to fast in these days?
Now we understand that fasting will govern human behavior and make it more stable and calm, especially those with tendencies to depression … It will not affect the moon’s gravity to enjoy life
This research is not by the US or UK scientists oh learned man.. have you ever heard about Indian Astrology System ? The basis is on moon. And the reason cited in Vedas, being among the jyotish (those which shine in the sky), Sun affects all, among the planets earth affects all, and among the other heavenly bodies its moon.
Now say, who said this billions of years ago ? Is not it Al mighty God ??
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Scientists have discovered Urine Bacon, the proportion of male infants in which bacteria are very few … But Bacon Urine, a female infant ratio of bacteria Much more so than the male Female baby …. The number of bacteria in the urine sample Male infant … The number of bacteria on a urine sample of only 2
But since 1400 years The Messenger
1 – Umm Qais : “she came with a small son did not eat food to the Prophet, peace be upon him ,the baby urinated on his clothes so he called for a water and he did not wash him, “narrated by Bukhari and Muslim, Abu Dawood and Ahmad.
2 – baby boy’s urine.. exudes, Current’s urine.. wash “Narrated by Imam Ahmad,
3 – “but exudes from male’s urine but female’s urine wash ” Narrated by Ahmad and Abu Dawood
Miracles and interpretation
Conversations are clear, he has ordered us to wash laundering female ‘s urine … And sprinkle mentioned’s urine .. who is suggested to him that the female urine contaminated and must be washed with water? …. It is my Lord Creator of the female and male
Message :- Companions did not understand the entire wisdom of this command, but they obeyed the Messenger We understand now … Unfortunately, if only we have 1% companions of faith
In modern times,
Scientists have discovered A recipe for milk in the cows … Where milk is made up of feed and food, who is in the belly of the cow … These materials then move to the udder and in addition to other materials such as blood glucose and proteins .. consists of milk in the end …
But 1400 years ago God says
[66] And verily! In the cattle, there is a lesson for you. We give you to drink of that which is in their bellies, from between excretions and blood, pure milk; palatable to the drinkers. (al-naheel)
Interpretation and Miracles
MY LOVE, Messenger of God … Infidels accused you of insanity .. And science shows today You are the greatest psychiatrist … Because he received the revelation of the Creator of self
In modern times, oh my god….. what scientists recently discovered .. Verse tell us the same precision that the composition of milk materials are in feed and blood together
I challenge all the agniveer members to show any scientific facts regarding the same (which i mentioned above) in your Vedas.If no i request all of you to join the religion of peace – Islam.
@hyder
_________If no i request all of you to join the religion of peace – Islam___________
Brother, I would like to accept Islam but before this please answer me:
1. What was Allah doing before this universe creation?
I accept your challange. If I can show you any scientific fact in Vedas, will you accept Sanatan religion ?
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@ Padhi,
I challenge you to show the same scientific facts which i quote above in Vedas.I am ready to accept sanathana dharma if you explain it satisfactorily.
what do you mean by same ? A scientific fact means a scientific fact. If a scientific fact is in Vedas (which are delivered to human right on the first day on earth), this is a proof that this is said by God directly to us.
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So Mr Padhi,
You are saying that the science i show from Qur’an is not in your Vedas.Isn’t?
“Vedas which are delivered to human right on the first day on earth”- Just don’t bluff.Can you prove that?
Just say one thing, are you concerned about science or the exact language said in Quran ? I am concerned with science.
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Hyder
Show me a single scientific phenomenon on quran,,,,,plz….
Hyder, Enjoy the scientific facts on quran below:
1. It says about Nuclear fission (!) because it says , “O believers say to the unbelievers that sun shines.” Ch. 420 V.420
2. It says about the shape of the earth, ” Do not the unbelievers see that we made the world as a football?” Ch. 1 V.1
3. Quran says about the speed of the light, ” The speed of the light will be regarded the most but in some 21st century it will be proven that nutreno has the most speed.” Ch.8 V.420
4. Quran invented the boat near the bank of Atlantic Sea Ch.21 V.30
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I can go on and on. Really It is a book of science. And all the mullahs of the world whoever practises quran are great scientist. Aren’t they? Einstein, AryaBhatta, Newton, Hawkins, Darwin, Theles, every scientist was nothing but mullahs. Enjoy !!!!!!!!!!!
this hyder is liar as like all muslims there is no such science in quran , it consists of full scientific errors follow this
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur%27an
Allah’s knowledege does n’t exceed than Greek Science
Hyder
So you are wanting to say that Quran says about urines?????
No problem. I just wonder why Zakir Naik and other Mullahs give just reference to some scientist??? Zakir Bhai is so brilliant!!!! Why does not he invent something with the help of the scientific verses of Quran??? The humanity would have been islam then.
I can disprove all the claims of mullahs about scientific facts of quran.
@Spirit,Prithvi,Truth Seeker etc……..
I asked you to show the same scientific facts in Veda and for that why you are getting angry.I know your Vedas doesn’t have such science in it.Don’t worry think well and come to the real truth – Islam
hyder
your saudi religious leader in 1991 said that earth is flat as it mentioned in quran , those who will reject it will be considered as atheist and will be killed
to know the science in hinduism visit
http://www.hinduwisdom.info
One of the biggest blunder in Quran – the Earth is FLAT and it repeatedly says so
Surah 79:30 says
Wa Al-Arda bada dhalika DaHaaHaa which means And the Earth after that He(Allah) Spread out like a Carpet and FLATTEN it.Wa(And) AL(The) Arda(Earth) bada dhalika(after that he(allah)) DAHAAHAA (Spread out like a carpet and Flatten)
Some people misgude that Dahaahaa means – Ostrich Egg – Let us examine
But The Arabic word for EGG is BAIDAH. And any word in Arabic for any egg and any word in Arabic for egg-shaped MUST have the word BAIDAH in it ! In Arabic, EGG is BAIDAH. EGG-SHAPE is BAIDAHWIYAH.The Arabic word for Ostrich is NA’AHMAH. And the word for Ostrich Egg is BAIDAH NA’AHMAH.And the concise meaning of “Dahaahaa” is “Spread out like a carpet and Flattened”.
Go and check any well-respected Arabic dictionary.You can see what i said is true.
Other Quotes:-
1. Sutehat: If you want to describe something as flat in Arabic then there is no better way than using this
word. Sateh means flat, sutehat means flattened out.
Q. 88:20 Nor even how the earth has been (sutehat) flattened out?
2. Bisata: also means flat. The Arabic word bisata means a flat sheet or a carpet.
Q. 71: 19 And God has laid the earth for you as a (bisata) carpet
3. Madda: means stretched out until the object becomes flat, like what happens when you take a ball of dough
and stretch it until it becomes flat.
Q. 13:3 And He it is who hath (Madda) outstretched the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains
Q. 15:19 And the earth have WE (Madadnaha, from madda) spread out
Q. 50:6-7 What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how we have built it, and decked it out fair, and it
has no cracks? And the earth — We (Madadnaha) stretched it forth…
4. Firasha: means a mattress,‘ as flat as a mattress’.
Q. 2:22 Who made the earth a (Firasha) bed for you, and the heaven a roof
Q. 51:48 And the earth we (Farashnaha, from firasha) have spread out, and how excellently do we spread it
out!
5. Mahada: means a bed, which is flat. In Arabic…
5. Mahada: means a bed, which is flat. In Arabic you can describe something flat by comparing it to a bed.
Q. 20:53 .. the One who has laid out the earth as a (Mahdan) carpet for you
Q. 43:10 …has made for you the earth (Mahdan) like a carpet spread out
Q. 78:6 Have We not made the earth as a (Mihada) bed, And the mountains as pegs
6. Tahaha: means flattened.
Q. 91:5-6 By the heaven and that which built it and by the earth and that which (Tahaha) extended it!
7. Dahaha: means flat. Etc..Etc..
In Sura 15:19 (Al-Hajar), we read: “wal’arda madadnaha wa’alkayna feeha rawasi”.
The word “madadnaha” is from the verb “madda”, which is a very simple and easy word to understand. Not
even a little Arabic child would use this word to describe the shape of a watermelon or a ball. It is the most
simple way to describe something flat.
The Quran is full of junk science !
Source:- http://jesusallah.wordpress.com/
This video clinches the ultimate error of the quran: the flat earth concept. Beautifully made, it leaves no scope for a momin to come and declare ” see this is misinterpretation..this is the actual…blah blah.. ”
http://alisina.org/muhammads-flat-earth/
Hyder brother, please watch that video in its entirety and please give your comment.
I accepted your challenge dear… But before i show you proofs, you must promise, you will accept Sanatan dharma. You have to give your complete bio data here. if you have face book account, use that. And If I show you one single scientific proof, you will update in your face book account that you have accepted Sanatan dharma. Are you ready ?
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Hyder, at first tell me how do mountains stabilize earth? The engine of a train can be referred to mountain provided that train is supposed earth. So does engine stabilizes the train? Ur quran is against the laws of static dynamics. Al quran sura- Ambia (21) V. 21 says about big bang? The verse has at least three errors. Do u wanna see?
Urine Description of Cow Urine
Table – Chemical contents of cow urine and cure of diseases as per them. Yes Cow Urine (Gomutra) Benefits are there. Check the science behind this with given below table.S. No. Name of chemical Effect of chemical on diseases
1 Nitrogen N2 ,NH2 Removes blood abnormalities and toxins, Natural stimulant of urinary track, activates kidneys and it is diuretic.
2 Sulphur S Supports motion in large intestines. Cleanses blood.
3 Ammonia NH3 Stabilise bile, mucous and air of body. Stabilises blood formation.
4 Copper Cu Controls built up of unwanted fats
5 Iron Fe Maintains balance and helps in production of red blood cells & haemoglobin. Stabilises working power.
6 Urea CO(NH2)2 Removes blood abnormalities and toxins, Natural stimulant of urinary track, activates kidneys and it is diuretic.
7 Uric Acid C5H4N4O3 Removes heart swelling or inflammation. It is diuretic therefore destroys toxins.
8 Phosphate P Helps in removing stones from urinary track.
9 Sodium Na Purifies blood. Antacid
10 Potassium K Cures hereditary rheumatism. Increases appetite. Removes muscular weakness and laziness.
11 Manganese Mn Germicidal, stops growth of germs, protects decay due to gangrene.
12 Carbolic Acid HCOOH Germicidal, stops growth of germs and decay due to gangrene.
13 Calcium Ca Blood purifier, bone stregthener, germicidal, ?? Rakta skandak ??
14 Salt NaCl Sanyas vishamta ?? decreases acidic contents of blood, germicidal
15 Vitamins A,B,C,D,E Vitamin B is active ingredient for energetic life and saves from nervousness and thirst, strengthens bones and reproductive ingredient for energetic life and saves from nervousness and thirst, strengthens bones and reproductive power.
16 Other Minerals Increase immunity
17 Lactose C6H12O6 Gives satisfaction. Strengthens Mouth, strengths heart, removes thirst and nervousness.
18 Enzymes Make healthy digestive juices, increase immunity.
19 Water (H2O) It is life giver. Maintains fluidity of blood, maintains body temperature.
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Camel’s urine is efficacious in the treatment of skin diseases such as ringworm, tinea and abscesses, sores that may appear on the body and hair, and dry and wet ulcers. Camel’s urine brings the secondary benefits of making the hair lustrous and thick, and removing dandruff from the scalp. Camel’s milk is also beneficial in treating hepatitis, even if it has reached an advanced stage where medicine is unable to treat it. End quote.
In the al-Jazeerah al-Sa’oodiyyah newspaper (issue no. 10132, Rabee’ al-Awwal 1421 AH) there is a quotation from the book Al-Ibl Asraar wa i’jaaz (The camel: secrets and wonders) by Darmaan ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez Aal Darmaan and Sanad ibn Mutlaq al-Subay’i:
As for camel’s urine, the book suggests that it has numerous uses which are beneficial for man. This is indicated by the Prophetic texts and confirmed by modern science … Scientific experiments have proven that camel’s urine has a lethal effect on the germs that cause many diseases.
Among the uses of camel’s urine, many women use it to wash their hair, to make it longer, and to make it lighter and more lustrous. Camel’s urine is also efficacious in the treatment of swelling of the liver and other diseases such as abscesses, sores that appear on the body and toothache, and for washing eyes. End quote.
Prof. Dr. ‘Abd al-Fattaah Mahmoud Idrees says: With regard to the benefits of camel’s urine in treating disease, Ibn Seena said in his Qanoon: The most beneficial of urine is the urine of the Bedouin camels known as najeeb. Camel’s urine is beneficial in treating al-hazaaz, and it was said that al-hazzaz is a pain in the heart caused by anger and so on. Camel’s urine, especially the urine of a young she-camel – is used as a cleansing substance to wash wounds and sores, to make the hair grow, to strengthen and thicken it and to prevent it falling out, and it is used to treat diseases of the scalp and dandruff. In a Master’s thesis by an engineer in applied chemistry, Muhammad Awhaaj Muhammad, that was submitted to the…
Camel Urine is full of contradictions. What you have is just a bullshit statement by Muslims only. Suppose if Quran says that humans have 11 hands and 33 legs which they lose in their childhood; Muslims will believe that too. Because when writing Quran, Satan told Muslims to follow that literally & blindly. Muslims are so idiots and please forget of science. Islam generated no notable scientist ever. Arabic numerals (which a Muslim today boasts of) is plagiarized idea from India. This proves that Muslims are thieves.
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur'an
Better read this to know that Quran is a bogus book. I repeat Mohammed is Satan himself in human form. If you have guts, refute me without quoting from Quran / Hadiths (Those 2 books shall be burnt undoubtedly as contain SATANIC verses)
Muhammad prescribed camel urine as medicine to the followers from uraynah. Because Muhammed is a prophet, Muslims believe he received a divine revelation from God. As a result they continue to study and prescribe camel urine as medicine despite the lack of evidence proving there is any medicinal value in camel urine and that there is some evidence that drinking urine is actually harmful. This is what genuine scientists conclude.
But, you shall drink urine daily. Mohammedans actually deserve that. Foolish cult followed by a foolish leader. HAHAHA
To all who want to know the Truth and also those who are so opinionated :
God has kept himself hidden because this life is an exam so you have to recognize an unseen God. On the day of Judgement some people will be blind. They will ask God why they are blind . So Allah will say you are blind because you failed to recognize Me. Even so, in his infinite mercy he has given a chance to learned people to read and find their way to God. He has even sent messages to guide them while not showing himself. Some of proofs of the truth of the messages you will discover science will help you understand. I have heard there are some One thousand scientific facts in the Holy Quran. Some are discussed earlier. I want to draw your attention to the some not mentioned earlier which will put to rest a Lot of Controversy. People around the Prophet Mohammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny ) asked him to find out from Allah whether He recognized each human being Individually. So upon asking Allah replied that “He knows you by the tips of your fingers”. Even Mohammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny )did not know what Allah meant by that at that time. Human beings discovered finger prints in 1880 and by 1990 it was an established science (as per encyclopedia Britannica ). So Now we can understand what Allah meant when he said that he knows you by your the tips of your fingers. Because He has made it He knows best. He did not say that He only knows you by your faces. Your genes decide what is on your finger tips. See what Allah is revealing ?! Further the people asked Mohammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny ) to find out from Allah whether the people will be restored for the Day Of Judgement as they are over here. So Allah Replied a He will not only restore you as you are He will also make the Finger tips the same ! ( meaning fingerprints the same ). Twice he has mentioned finger prints. ( No other scripture mentions about this ). We know that it would be very remote…
To all who want to know the Truth and also those who are so opinionated :
God has kept himself hidden because this life is an exam so you have to recognize an unseen God. On the day of Judgement some people will be blind. They will ask God why they are blind . So Allah will say you are blind because you failed to recognize Me. Even so, in his infinite mercy he has given a chance to learned people to read and find their way to God. He has even sent messages to guide them while not showing himself. Some of proofs of the truth of the messages you will discover science will help you understand. I have heard there are some One thousand scientific facts in the Holy Quran. Some are discussed earlier. I want to draw your attention to the some not mentioned earlier which will put to rest a Lot of Controversy. People around the Prophet Mohammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny ) asked him to find out from Allah whether He recognized each human being Individually. So upon asking Allah replied that “He knows you by the tips of your fingers”. Even Mohammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny )did not know what Allah meant by that at that time. Human beings discovered finger prints in 1880 and by 1890 it was an established science (as per encyclopedia Britannica ). So Now we can understand what Allah meant when he said that he knows you by your the tips of your fingers. Because He has made it He knows best. He did not say that He only knows you by your faces. Your genes decide what is on your finger tips. See what Allah is revealing ?! Further the people asked Mohammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny ) to find out from Allah whether the people will be restored for the Day Of Judgement as they are over here. So Allah Replied a He will not only restore you as you are He will also make the Finger tips the same ! ( meaning fingerprints the same ). Twice he has mentioned finger prints. ( No other scripture mentions about this ).
Hello atoze
Let’s refute your post step by step
—–God has kept himself hidden because this life is an exam so you have to recognize an unseen God———
Why God needs to hide himself buddy?? Isn’t it utterly dumb of you? If God hides himself where is my fault that I dont recognize him? The final words you used “unseen God”. Sorry to say believing in unseen is superstition. And I am not superstitious.
——-On the day of Judgement some people will be blind. They will ask God why they are blind . So Allah will say you are blind because you failed to recognize Me. Even so, in his infinite mercy he has given a chance to learned people to read and find their way to God. He has even sent messages to guide them while not showing himself. Some of proofs of the truth of the messages you will discover science will help you understand————–
On the day of judgment you will be bind because you didnt recognize me (spirit) as God. You will ask why you are blind. I will say because you failed to recognize me via internet. So do you accept me as God?????????
—–I have heard there are some One thousand scientific facts in the Holy Quran. Some are discussed earlier. I want to draw your attention to the some not mentioned earlier which will put to rest a Lot of Controversy.—–
Show me a single scientific phenomenon on Quran (not like as sun shines or rain falls). Believe me brother I shall refute all your scientific facts on quran.
——Human beings discovered finger prints in 1880 and by 1890 it was an established science (as per encyclopedia Britannica ). So Now we can understand what Allah meant when he said that he knows you by your the tips of your fingers——
Now ask me if I know everyone individually of the world. I will say I know everyone with tips of finger and DNA sequel. Does that make me God?????
Give me the actual reference without adulteration. Why your Allah did not talk about DNA then???? It would have been more accurate!!!!!!!
You are either a child or a…
We know that it would be very remote that all the 10 finger prints of any two persons be the same and even if it were in all the mankind assembled on the day of judgement, in any such case then their parents finger prints will not be the same. Allah had said that he made the Sun on the fourth day of Creation. Science tells us that the universe is nearly 15 Billion years old and the Sun is 5 billion years old. Considering that, One day of Allah is roughly 2.5 Billion years. So Allah is in no hurry. You may say any Nonsense against Allah and his messengers He would not take any action in a hurry, When the time of Repentence is past then after that there is no Pardon. He has said when he willeth a peoples punishment then After that there can be no turning it Back. Ater the day of Judgement, when all the people who have sinned but have died as believers and have recieved their punishment ( which may run into millions of years for some ) they will ultimately be out of Hell. Then Allah will address the unbelievers in Hell one last time and ask them “Did not anyone warn You About Me”. After that Allah will not look at them ever. They will live in Hell for ever. There are Seven Levels in Hell. Why give proofs to Allah against yourself
Hello atoze,
—–Allah had said that he made the Sun on the fourth day of Creation. Science tells us that the universe is nearly 15 Billion years old and the Sun is 5 billion years old. Considering that, One day of Allah is roughly 2.5 Billion years.——–
Now you are demeaning your Allah not me. See how much slow your Allah is!!!!!!! The sacred which you call omnipotent needs 6 days (according to his time) but 15 billion years (according to our time)!!!!!! E—N—-J—-O—–Y
Another fault is there8). You said ——Science tells us that the universe is nearly 15 Billion years old and the Sun is 5 billion years old——–. ok lets agree with you in this point. But your previous statement falls miserably. Science says (according to you) the universe is 15 billion years old. Science did not say, ” It needed 15 billion years to form the universe.” So how can your fairytales of 6 days= 15 billion years would be applicable here?????? Please, if you have a drop of knowledge, explain!!!!
—–Then Allah will address the unbelievers in Hell one last time and ask them “Did not anyone warn You About Me”. After that Allah will not look at them ever. They will live in Hell for ever. There are Seven Levels in Hell. Why give proofs to Allah against yourself——-
Stop your fairytale………..
Hello to all jihadi brothers/sisters,
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Isn’t it very funny????????? :*
@Spirit:
This is not new…Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) himself declared the music and chess as haram.
O Momins, abandon Islam and learn chess. Maybe one of you Indian Momins can then make India proud like Vishwanathan Anand. But first, you need to junk the hadiths that declare chess haram.
Dont let me down Momins. India is banking on you to spearhead its chess program in the next few centuries. So, dont be stuck in the 7th century Arabian desert.
Alaaaahu Akbar!
@Spirit & KB
We (MUslim) are not like you who promote vulgar & obscenity. This is done only to control the mind of females from negative thinking. This is greatness of Islam. Thanks to you for the publicity of this Fatwa. This is sign of decency in Islam. Why do your Hindu girls getting pregnant before marriage & Why do married girls commit adultery in Hindus? This Fatwa will refrain Muslim girls committing such immoral act like getting pregnant before marriage and committing adultery. Sprite Brother continue your nonsense stuff. You are doing publicity for us.
http://agniveer.com/479/prophet-puran/#comment-61888
Hello Salim Shaikh
You are a such absurd guy!!!!! You found that fatwa sacred while it is a joke for us modern men. How much foolish you can be!!!!! Here is a video where lion is roaring but your illiterate muslim fellows thinks it is shouting Allah, Allah, Allah. This is the lebel of your absurdity……………..
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=video%20of%20lion%20shouting%20allah%20allah%20in%20youtube&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCIQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxQq4NnU9mWI&ei=02r0Ttf4OYfUrQfIpoXuDw&usg=AFQjCNGbs8w-kbynEYYrfLzSEQU7koaBpA&cad=rja
hit the link and praise me again for letting you know about the miracle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Salim shaikh
Muslim women are very much oppressed. They must bring 4 eye witness to prove they have been raped. Now tell is this moral??? What if she can’t manage 4 eye witness???? If she can’t manage in the court she would be stoned till death. Don’t open my mouth. Muslim women are also very abusive. They are ready to live a cat’s life with their momin husband. Because they have been prescribed to live this way in Holy Quran Ch4 V.34. Moreover prophet said that Good women do not complain. How many of you enjoying those sacred lines…………???
@KB
___________So, dont be stuck in the 7th century Arabian desert_________
Do you know word “Islam” meaning? Islam is a Arabic word which means peace. & Prophet Mohamad made laws of this peaceful religion & Laws which promote peace are applicable in all ages. If Islam means peace how can it be religion of violence & nonsense laws? Do some study before posting your nonsense stuff here. I think, I am talking with a child of 5th standard.
@KB & Spirit
Both Jokers continue publicity of Islamic Fatwas free of cost. But do not worry I will give kick a on your asses in the end & with 1-1 biscuit of Parle G as wages of your service.
Chess was declared haraam for the benefit of a Momin only. Don’t you know Kalbhairav brother that playing Chess requires lot of Brain and thinking? From where a Momin will borrow brain? He can’t do that from a Christian NOR from a Jew as Mohammed made them enemy of a Muslim. Forget about Momin demanding brain from a Hindu / Buddhist. Due to love of idiot Arabics towards slavery, even Africans won’t give brain. A Momin can only borrow brain from another Momin. But, it again points to same question – do Momins have brain? DEFINITELY NOT; otherwise Mohammed won’t select a donkey as his vehicle. IF A MOMIN HAD BRAIN, HE WON’T BE MUSLIM FIRST OF ALL.
Oh mentor of terrorists – Slim Shaikh, Islam is religion of peace but only for a terrorist. Read this for enlightenment::: http://answering-islam.org/Terrorism/peace-loving.html
There is one religion in the world that kills you when you disagree with them and they say ‘look, we are a religion of peace and if you disagree we’ll f**king cut your head off, and nobody calls them on it — there are very few people that will call them on it.
- American poet, Bill Maher
US former Prez John Qunicy Adams said – In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.
If Allah has revealed Himself try to find out about it. The hindu scriptures are so old when there was no paper even. You use the latest Gadgets invented why not try to find out Allahs last message. Allah sent it. Mohammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny ) who brought it is no longer on earth but see what he left behind. Don’t go by what others are saying. There is a lot of politics and vested interests in what others are saying. Humans are born with zero knowledge, learn what the Creator may have revealed. Maybe your parents are not as lucky in Everything. Allah says in Quran “You Remember Me and I will remember you” (on the day of judgement ). He is the Master of the Day of Judgement. The heaven is there for a Reward. Allah has said that He has the power to gather you together for the Day of Judgement. He has also said that there is “no escape from Allah”.
Atoze,
Congratulations. Your jokes reached toll count of 1000 funny arguments. Ok, Here is truth:
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached
- Manuel II Palaiologos
Byzantine emperor
That is a simple rule, and easy to remember. When I, a thoughtful and unblessed Presbyterian, examine the Koran, I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is insane; not in all things, but in religious matters.
- Mark Twain
American Author
Islam deserves criticism on account of the logical consequences of its dogma, namely, that the murder of fellow human beings is to be rewarded with sensual pleasure in a hedonistic “Paradise”—a concept born in the fantasies of an Arab rebel some fourteen centuries ago. The religion of Mohammed is a dangerous system when the teachings and example of the “prophet” are believed and followed.
- Clinton Richard Dawkins
British scientist
If the people of this religion [Islam] are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed
- Abu bakr Mohammed Al Razi
Muslim scholar
Why follow that sect to which no valuable person support? (All great minds conclude: THE ONLY PERSON TO USE RELIGION FOR PERSONAL GAIN WAS MOHAMMED.) Convert to Christianity at least if you cannot manage what Vedas say. Otherwise, you continue on your journey to stupidity. After all, stupidity cannot be controlled beyond some limit
Allah has kept for himself the power to create. He gave it to no one. He gave some people miracles but no one the power to create. Allah had said in the Holy Quran that “look around yourself this is the world He has created, have those whom you worship, besides Allah, created anything”. If God had come himself on this earth would He not have left something behind that He created. There is no History of any one creating anything. Allah continues to create. Science tells us that stars are still being born. Allah has said in the Holy Quran that it is Allah who creates the vastness of space. ( creates ! He did not say He created. We know from science that the universe is still expanding after the Big Bang !). I’m no authority on the Quran but this is just a word of caution for those who are opinionated ! Brother, Allah is Lord of the Universe not Lord of the Muslims. The Quran Begins ” All Praise belongs to Allah Lord of the Universe ! So brother help yourself, ask God for Guidance. You cannot think anything else except what Allah wants. Whom Allah leaves to stray there is no guidance for him. It is amazing as to why there are so many receptors and chemicals in the Brain. So you see how much manipulation and control is possible for Allah. He has fine tuned it over the evolution till he finally made Man.
But your aim should be to recognize the truth , Holy Quran is not a science book, It was given to Mohammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny ), who was sent as Mercy to Mankind. There are also amazing mathematical proofs in the Quran. I’m not going into them. What I have said already is enough for anyone to take notice.
Though the tone and tenor of arguments on this site is not encouaging to write into, yet because Allah has directed muslims to tell others about Islam I am doing so. (Now you know why also !)
http://www.wiziq.com/online-class/693721-islam-and-vedas-a-refutation-of-agn…iveer
INTERACT WITH US AND LET TRITH PREVAIL IT WOULD BE LIVE..
AND CHANCE TO YOU TO HAVE YOR SAY…….COME!!!!!!!
AFTER THAT DONT BACKBITE LIKE A COWARD..
Oye tariq,,,,,
Yeah kyu nahi???? yaha aajao aapne zakir aur uske bete farik ko leke. dekhlenge kisme hai itni himmat???? You are the greatest threat to humanity…………..
Tariq, refuting Agniveer is a big goal. A dog barks at elephant and elephant does not react. Dog assumes that elephant is weak to react. Dog does not know that the creature he is fighting with is the biggest mammal on Earth. Elephant never reacts because he knows that dog cannot do anything bad. The fact is that a single blow of elephant is sufficient to transport dog to some other planet. Its nobility of that mammoth creature not to react on Dog. Dog assumes elephant is weak and enjoys his “SO CALLED VICTORY.”
Same concept applies here: Sultan does not know that his opponent is a champion who does not need reacting to every joker claims. Agniveer is noble – that’s why he is not reacting. Reacting to every bark of dog is job of another dog not of a higher order personality. Let that dog Sultan celebrate his “SO CALLED VICTORY”.
Refuting Agniveer totally is impossible for you OR your role model Zakir Naik / Musafiq Sultan (Holy Satan in human forms). Why don’t you read this instead: http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/shamoun/Is_Muhammad_a_true_Prophet_of_God.html Forget of Vedas – Even Bible believers (the book which Quran itself has copied a lot) don’t consider Islam a religion – forget being TRUE OR FALSE.
Reply to, भ्रमित says:
December 20, 2011 at 3:22 pm
The Translation and interpretation given by pickthall, who is an apparent convertee (from a jew or christian faith ), of the Holy Quran in english is for gullible people who do not know Arabic. He uses wrong translation to discredit the Quran. This translation of the Quran the Muslims have rejected. It is the favourite translation of the Quran for the Jews and Christians. You can understand the reason. It seems to be a conspiracy. They cannot change the Arabic Quran so they have changed the Translation. भ्रमित like innocent people are falling prey to it. Those people who are advocating pickthalls translation are misguiding people from Islam and are only achieving their Goal to some extent. These people will never refer to other translations, their folly would be immediately become evident. So brother don’t fall into thier mechanisms.
atoze
muslims themselves says they will kill anybody who dares to criticise their religion, you muslims always denies your own atrocities and blames on jews,in 21st century you are talking illogically about hellfire how many people have seen hell and heaven?,in every muslim countries religious minorities are being persecuted and treated like crap to whom you people denied it and cries on pseudo muslim persecution in other countries.in europe muslims are comiting crimes and terror and shouting for islamisation.
Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah’s Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in
the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, “I do not know how to read.” (The Prophet added), “The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, “I do not know how to read,” whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not
bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, “I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?).” Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, “Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous…up to….. ..that which he knew not.” (96.15)
(parts before omitted because it was too long)
But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, “O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah’s Apostle in truth” whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach…
the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn ‘Abbas said regarding the meaning of: ‘He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)’ (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).
1) Concerning the first part – The start of Islam
a) Why would an all-knowing deity ask an illiterate man to read?
b) Why does the spirit tell us that man was created from blood clots when it’s not true?
c) If this spirit “taught by the pen what men did not know,” where are those words?
d) And why digress to an oral recital when written testimony is superior?
e) Why gloat, saying he’s generous – in what way and to whom?
f) But the real question is: if this spirit “taught by the pen what men did not know,” where are those words?
2) Why was Mohammad suicidal?
a) When someone dies, do thoughts of suicide normally overtake someone?
b) Does this preclude Mohammad from being a prophet, because no prophet before was ever suicidal?
c) How many times did Gabriel go to Mohammad to tell him he was Allah’s messenger?
d) Does the fact that Gabriel had to tell Mohammad more than 1 time he was Allah’s messenger mean that Gabriel was not very convincing?
e) Or that Mohammad did not believe a spirit who nearly crushed the life out of him, and asked him (an illiterate man to read)?
4) Another argument that exists is that if Prophet Muhammad was truly inspired by Satan then Satan would order him to jump and kill him self just like how he tried to do with Jesus, Mathew 4:6-7 http://www.htmlbible.com/kjv30/B40C004.htm
a) First of all, Satan was testing whether Jesus was the Son of God, to which Jesus replied Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
b) If Satan wanted Jesus to commit suicide, it would be understandable because Jesus brought the Golden rule “Love thy neighbour as yourself”
i) Is this message compatible with Satan and evil?
c) Would Satan want Mohammad to commit suicide after all the things he brought forth to the Muslim world?
(See question 3 above)
5) Why would Bukhari include this verse?
a) It;s not a very good start for any religion?
b) Was it to show that Mohammad was a fraud?
Samuel, don’t you get the basic idea?
Quran / Islam is Christianity redefined. Each and every Islamic faith is Christianity inbuilt. There is some mixing with Mohammed’s idiotic beliefs. Thus, original message is unknown. Islam only includes what is not to be done as per Christianity. Look, Jesus supported peace. He came for others and died for others. Mohammed supported war to promote peace. The Islam only believes in using war to find peace. Peace is achieved for a SO CALLED IDIOT SECT – Momin by murdering 1000s; raping 100s and terrorizing nations. Look at terrorism organizations: Al Qaeda, Taliban, Lashkar e Taiyyeba – they all run by Muslims.
Brother, the biggest service to a human is to ensure that Islam is destroyed. Let’s take the initiative to wipe out this sect of SATAN from this planet. WHEN 1000 SATANS DIE, MOHAMMED CAME INTO THE WORLD, WHEN 1000 MOHAMMED DIED, 1 HITLER ARRIVED, WHEN 1000 HITLERS DIED, A MUSLIM GETS BIRTH.
Islam = Nazi – ism.
Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK2ukVCoWUU
Teach this idiots that they are against GOD. Expose the myth of Allah being comparable to Lord GOD. Death of false religion Islam is truly following of Christianity. Do this as a service to true messenger Jesus.
Atoze,
It seems that you know this guy well. There are many innocents then. To how many will you preach truth?? Instead, tell him real Quran. That would be better. Since, you know Pickthal, tell him that you are wrong and Mohammed is right. Don’t comment here – comment on his website and prove him wrong. That would be right initiative.
Thanks
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@ Tariq,
Why Agniveer had to come for the online class from such fools? Agniveer had enough knowledge on the contents of Quran. Agniveer had already invited Zakir naik for a debate which is not replied still.A debate is required and not a study class,for that agniveer is not a student.Tell your Zakir Naik or whoever fools to have a debate with Agniveer.
Spirit you have asked for me to reply to your question on agniveer on the site satyagni.com. Spirit I was shocked to read what have you been writing. Spirit do you know the meaning of the word Muhammad. It means ‘The praised one’. There is a Hadith which says what the Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny) said about people who would say bad things about him. You are learned person please refer to that Hadith. At least muslims know that Hadith !
Dear Atoze
Islam may mean peace.
Muhmmad may mean praised one.
But KUran and allah have not said the truths.They both have given rise to terrorists on this earth.If Islam really means peace then why do the Muslims fight with the hindus?Why did Hindu and muslim war happened in India?Why did danga took place in 1989 in which Muslims killed too much Hindus?Why do Muslims cut animals if Islam means peace?Why Muslims cut other humans in the name of religion?Why?WHy? why?
Vinay brother,
You are forgetting, for Islam peace is output of WAR. THE ULTIMATE IDIOTS like Muslim Slaves, Atoze, sultans etc. know only 1 way to support peace. Kill 1000, burn 1000 houses and rape 1000 – then world will have peace. A deadly massacre creates peace. A Muslim enters Paradise (so called Jannat) by sending everyone else to hell (i.e., sufferings) – this was proved by George Bernard Shaw – Oscar winner Nobel Laureate. If someone asks, OUT OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM, WHICH IS BETTER? No doubt every sensible will point towards Christianity. (Vedas are the best though. Islam being the worst no matter whichever faith it is compared with.) 50% humans in the world are evil minded and another 30% being total idiots. No surprise, Islam is fastest growing religion in the world (among those). Mohammed used religion / faith for his personal gain. All great thinkers have concluded this but no Muslim accepts this. This proves that Islam is religion of evil minded people AND / OR idiots. Quincy Adams has declared that freeing a muslim from Islam is the biggest service that can be offered to him. Other scholars comment that Islam is backward thinking promoted by a backward religion. Vinay Arya brother, Let’s unite humans to fight with this CULT OF SATAN. So that peace can be restored in its pure form not a consequence of stupid war which Quran promotes.
If the Muslims really want to praise Quran, they should not do it here. This is indeed neither the right way nor the right platform. We are ready to accept that Quran is the best book. Just tell us names of 50 scientists and 50 great philosophers who made Quran as their references. You cannot count Arabic Mathematicians as they were not alive when Quran was made nor the Mohammed. Quran was written after his death. Now, start counting. AND YES, NO MUSLIM SHALL EVER REPLY WITHOUT COUNTING.
@God is Great
Yes, I would try to unite everyone.
god is great
you are right
see these jihadis how they are talking illogically, muslims are of same category comes under brainwashing, i have seen the blog of
Mushafiq Sultan who is an agent of arab wants to make great vedic india into a uncivilised area.See all the islamic websites which contains only stupid claims of miracles and lacks logic, i have talked with many muslims who talks illogically and thinks about only religion or else nothing. whats your reply?
@ GOD IS GREAT & Vinay Arya,
Sorry to share my opinion on this.The best way to attain peace and to protect dharma in our country where majority are Hindus is to educate people by giving proper knowledge of our heritage. Teach our children and the coming generation about our sceintific heritage. Learn and teach the science behind the customs and rituals which is practiced.(For eg:- “Do not keep the direction of the head towards north” Reason – the magnetic meridian of the earth retards the blood flow though brain capillaries and affect the functioning of brain cells.). Like this each and every custom and ritual should be explained with its reason.
Regarding Muslims – It is not an easy thing to destroy old tendencies.So for them it will take a long time to realize the fact.Don’t worry about that because the world is turning to India. The world is looking for the knowledge like Ayurveda, yoga, music, dance, Sanskrit, Vedas, management, Gita, Indian food, Indian family system, Vedic mathematics, the concept of god, the use of achaaras, the yama and niyamaas, the economical concept of Chanakya, the management principles of Gita, the Gurukula method of learning and many such knowledge.Even the staunch Muslims started coming to Indian way of living in many Islamic nations.Here in our nation also this will happen and only what we need to do is to educate people our heritage.
Bagyaraj Sir,
You need not be sorry. Actually, what you are saying is much more logical compared to any other commenter. If we don’t know what is great in our own culture, how can we expect others to know that? Just seen a video – would request you (and others too) to see. Quantum physics is derived totally from Vedanta (Even Erwin Schrodinger accepted that). What more to say when scientists of CERN, Geneva declared that a cosmic dance of energy occurs within each atom – that dance is TANDAVA by lord Nataraja. Scientists have 2.5 m tall Nataraj statue installed there as a proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IrLcqAYwpc
(It is in 3 parts::: So, just click on corresponding links to see other 2) — You can also see Carl Sagan’s views on Hindu cosmology. Another series being Hinduism – scientifically proven religion. These mega videos proved that Only Solution For Modern Disaster Is India. Even Cambridge University switched towards Sanskrit. Homerton College is switching towards Adi Shankaracharya way of education. Interested scholars can read that. Thank you Bagyaraj Sir for this awakening.
Agniveer and patrons, why not you post articles explaining science behind Vedic rituals? Many people here are from scientific background and have their own blog / website. They can also explain science. If we have most precious gem with us (Vedas) why not tell others about that greatness. Please do so …
जब जीरो दिया भारत ने … भारत ने मेरे भारत ने … दुनिया को तब गिनती आई … तारो की भाषा भारत ने … भारत ने मेरे भारत ने … दुनिया को पहले सिखलाई … देता न दशमलव भारत तो यु चाँद पर जाना मुश्किल था … धरती और चाँद की दूरी का अन्दाजा लगाना मुश्किल था … सभ्यता जहाँ पहले आई … पहले जन्मी है जहाँ पर कला … अपना भारत वो भारत है … जिसके पीछे संसार चला … संसार चला और आगे बढा।
Ref: Bollywood movie – Poorab AUR Pashchim
@ God is Great,
Thank you for posting such a great video.We are gifted with such a nice platform (Agniveer) to learn and share our ideas for which we should appreciate Agniveer team.Many articles showing the science of Hinduism is posted in http://www.iish.org (A website created by Dr.N.Gopalakrishnan who was a scientist)and agniveer had already given the links of some of the articles published by IISH in his article”Science in Vedas”.
@ GOD IS GREAT & Vinay Arya,
Westerners started embracing Vedas.Here is an evidence.
British Kids Chanting Vedic Sanskrit Mantras – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4kdjHFBvd4
bagyaraj
thanks for your information
but have you any information on indonesians embracing hinduism
plz reply must
@ Pritvi,
Sorry i don’t have information .If received will post here.
@Prithvi says:
December 21, 2011 at 9:48 am
Bro ,
Some of the posts on this site are never published, just because they will expose the fallacies in other religions, this site only stands for saying evil things about Islam. The moment something disturbing truths about other religion is written it will not be published. So no use writing on this site. Other people have expressed similar views. This site will better be called gagsatya-veer..com
this is not any hateful website it is just to prevent web jihad against hinduism by your momin brothers and arab slaves.ex-muslims themselves are criticising the islam.
@Prithvi says:
December 24, 2011 at 9:54 am
Why is it that hinduism needs to be improved for example eradication of sati, Hindus are themselves trying to improve hiduism. What is the this sati ancient terrorism
@ Atoze,
Your Comment: – “Why is it that hinduism needs to be improved for example eradication of sati, Hindus are themselves trying to improve hiduism. What is the this sati ancient terrorism”
Sathi is a duraachaar and such duraachaar is not mentioned in any of the authentic religious books of Hindus it need to be eradicated. It does not mean Hinduism need to be improved but Hindus need to be improved by rejecting these types of duraachaars. This is why it is eradicated and thus purified the Hindus who follow that bad practice.
Origin of the dirty custom Sathi
Practicing sathi is unjustifiable but before Muslims making it as a weapon against Hinduism they should know how sathi originated in our great nation India. If you go through UGC approved text books of history you can find the reason for the origin of Sathi. During the Mugal rule of Mohammed Ghori and others they killed many men who refused to embrace Islam and those who fight against these foreigners for our country and the wives of these people were raped and killed brutally. To avoid this,- woman decided to die along with their husband which they found far better than raped and killed by the Mughal emperors and their military people. Gradually it becomes a custom and even after Mugal period it continued. Hindus themselves found later that this custom is bad and illogical and thus stopped it.
you jihadis only looks over the mistakes of other religions, while you will blind to your own errors.every religions have their own errors and flaws and they admit and reform it,see hinduism,christianity and judaism are improved, but your islam is still following the cult of 7th century uncivilised arab lizard eaters.by killing,bloodshedding you say islam is religion of peace, your beloved islamic countries saudi barbaria ,iran ,somalia are stoning women to death for adultery, is this the respect for women in islam? there are many cases of child molesting cases by imams and mullahs.muslims are killing innocent animals in qurbani in the name of myth prophet and god, is this humanity? first go and reform your islamic countries
Prithvi says:
December 24, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Bro, the custom of stoning unchaste women has been there for a longtime. (most major religions were given by God, His laws remain the same), Jesus christ saw such a women being prepared for stoning, so he went over there and said ‘ Let the first stone be cast by the person who had never sinned. So all the people turned and went away !
You have heard the saying ‘spare the rod and spoil the child.’ In Saudi Arabia, for any one person – the third instance of stealing after 2 warnings entails cutting off of one hand. The benefit of this law is that even jewellers need not close down their shop before going for regular prayers. No body dares to steal. It is not that only women are punished for adultery, both men and women are equally punished. It is for larger protection of society. What happens elsewhere is that abuses and Rapes are condoned as consensual sex. Often the Judge and the Lawyers laugh at the victim. The perpetrators of the crime are often powerful people and influence justice. Have you heard of a movie called – ‘No one killed jessica.’ I think in such cases modern reformed laws are abhorrent !
Please don’t point fingers. You are depicting imams as criminals, I think you should first refer to your own cupboard, It is full of skeletons. Why nobody says anything there, it is because everyone knows heart and heart what the truth is.
@Prithvi says:
December 24, 2011 at 1:11 pm
You reference to Qurbani… well I think you should refer to your own religion first. Every other day you read in the newpapers that human children are being offered as sacrifice to please dieties ! ( that too for small things) Sacrificing animals is part of vedic religion also. At least it better to sacrifice animals. They are compensated by a very fast birth rate. Besides. Allah has subject animals to human use. After all Man is Allahs vicegerent on earth. After all it is the creator who decides who lives and who dies. Or is it that you deny that also ?
Also, (You will jump and deny this !) it is true that it is in your religion that, if a guest comes to your house and there is nothing to offer him to eat then you sacrifice the cow of the house in order to serve your guest !
Reply to Atoze says:
December 25, 2011 at 1:22 am – HAVE SOME OBJECTION IN THE MENTIONED COMMENT
Your Comment – “Every other day you read in the newpapers that human children are being offered as sacrifice to please dieties ! ( that too for small things)”
May or may not be. Illiterate and uncultured people may do many heinous activities like this which is not a part of Hinduism or Vedic culture and not mentioned in any of the authentic Hindu scriptures. Any way these types of activities will be practiced only by 0.5 % of the people in the entire society and this also will be eradicated by time. I don’t understand how and where you get these types of news “every other day”.
Your Comment – “Sacrificing animals is part of Vedic religion also.”
Sacrificing Animals is not a part of Vedic religion and even if it is the Hindus have all the right to reject it with out any fear of hell.
Your Comment – “At least it better to sacrifice animals. They are compensated by a very fast birth rate.”
Sacrificing animal for satisfying the tongue is unjustifiable. “Fast birth rate” is a reason made by the non vegetarians to eat meat. There are a lot of animals and birds like elephant, horse, cat, crow, donkey etc which we do not kill. But they do not become over loaded and fill the earth. Even though there are laws against killing of tiger and lion, their numbers are considerably decreasing. Dinosaurs which lived before man became extinct completely by nature itself.
Continued…………
Reply to Atoze says:December 25, 2011 at 1:22 am
continued………..
Your Comment – “Besides. Allah has subject animals to human use. After all Man is Allahs vicegerent on earth.”
The misunderstanding that man is the noblest of all creations and all the worldly pleasures are intended for men is the result of man’s own agitated mind. The universe certain nearly 16 lakhs variety of animals, lakhs of plant variety and lakhs of micro organic varieties. The min conception that all these are created only for human being is a challenge to nature itself. It cannot be denied that man is blessed with more reasoning power and intelligence than other animals. But nature has given each and every organism of some specialties which may not be given to human beings. Having some limited special qualities does not make man the noblest of all creation.
A dog’s power to smell things the hearing capacity of a bat, the power of sight of a cat, the speed of a cheetah, the sharp vision of an eagle. The physical power of horse, the glow of a glow worm the sweet voice of the Cuckoo, the ability of a Parrot or Myna to speak in human language, the ability of camel to preserve water for days, the power of the humming bird of fly kilometers without rest, the memory power of bee which collects honey from a flower far away from its home, the immunity of animals against diseases, the power of the castle to find out the eatable grass………….are some of the qualities that the nature has given to animals. Man does not possess any of these qualities.
Man also has a lot of limitations. A human child takes a long period to stand walk in its own legs. Without proper guidance it cannot differentiate between things which are eatable and not eatable. Man has to depend on others for building his own house preparing his food, to take treatment for a disease etc. Man who is moving away from nature is passing from more complex situation to a more complicated state. Man cannot resist variations in temperature rain etc. It is only the human beings who…
Reply to Atoze says:December 25, 2011 at 1:22 am
continued………..
It is only the human beings who purpose fully uses the dangerous toxic substances like alcohol, tobacco etc. In this universe no other living organism commits suicide. The only are creature that cannot live ever for an hour without depending on other organism is man. Then how can we say that man is the noblest of all creations?
Your Comment – “After all it is the creator who decides who lives and who dies. Or is it that you deny that also ?”
This statement does not mean you can kill animals for satisfying your tongue because you can live in a very healthy manner with out killing animals. It means Allah did not wish to kill the other animals by human beings. If Allah wishes so Allah should give us the same body properties of a carnivorous animal. But as per science natural diet for human is vegetarian food. Some Evidences.
• Our nails are flattened, and, unlike carnivores, we don’t have sharp, pointed teeth.
• Both humans and herbivores have carbohydrate digestive enzymes in our saliva; while carnivores and omnivores don’t.
• Most importantly, both the carnivores and the omnivores have a colon that is short, simple and smooth, and their stomach acidity is less than pH 1 with food in stomach; Humans, like herbivores, have a very long, complex and sacculated colon, and our stomach acidity is around pH 4 to 5.
• Our long intestine length is designed for a high fiber diet (found only in plant food). Meat does not digest well in such an environment, and often turns toxic, which contributes to colon cancer.
• Carnivores enjoy the act of savaging and the scent of blood. Sharks, for example, are highly aroused by the scent of blood. On the other hand, we cannot tolerate the sounds and cries of animals being killed, and the mere sight of blood is disturbing to us.
• Some fake people misguided many by showing the sharp teeth of human beings but the sharp teeth for human is for chewing or breaking the hard type nuts, vegetables etc.
Reply to Atoze says:December 25, 2011 at 1:22 am
continued………..
Your Comment – “Also, (You will jump and deny this !) it is true that it is in your religion that, if a guest comes to your house and there is nothing to offer him to eat then you sacrifice the cow of the house in order to serve your guest !”
It may or may not happen in many houses or a few houses. It may be because of their ignorance and is unjustifiable. For a true Hindu “adhithi devo bhava” a guest had to be treated well. Treating well does not mean to kill animals and make them eat dead bodies and thus finally make their stomach a cemetery. That way of treating is a great insult and a slow poisoning which a true Hindu never practices.
@Vinay Arya says:
December 21, 2011 at 10:04 pm
bro arya you query why? why? why ? is not worth responding to but since you have specifically asked me, I am responding. Please find out where the inquiry into samjhauta express blast heading to ? Was there any thorough inquiry into 1989 strife you refer to.
All most all terrorism is political. The beginning of so called ‘terrorism’ was from the jews who were fighting for creation of Israel. Now they are the people who are wailing about it the most. All terrorism has political overtones. Even bollywood movies have been made on this time and again. I overheard one rickshaw puller, who obviously was not very qualified degree holder, saying that all politicians are united on one point and that is to keep the people divided. ( In order to rule. )
atoze
cutting of hands,stonig to death are only uncivilised and inhumanic which your muslim countries are following,there are many non-muslim countries where crime rate is low and there is no sharia law,no prophet or any religious person have implied this inhumanic cult on humans as your prophet implemented this cult.in case of adultery musllims always interfair in personal matter.
i am not saying from my side there are many news on your mullahs and imams in paedophile and molestation and terrorism.
muslims are migrating to non-muslim countries for better life.
human sacrifice are blind faith which are now slowly eradicating from the society and there is no mention of human sacrifice in hindu scriptures. beef in hindu scriptures are propaganda of your muslims .you muslims always denies own fault and gives justification
where are you collecting these copy pastblies from your pakistani blogs.you said sacrificing animals is better than human sacrifice
human sacrifice is man made cult which is not mentioned in any scriptures. almost extinct .by killing animals you want to say that muslims are nothing but butchers and sadistics.i have heard myself from dreaded muslim who said they can kill anybody whether it is human or animal.they consider non-muslims are animals so they can also chop him any time.
your religion of peace have crossed milestones in killing ,terrorism and arsoning.see the contribution of peace in world by islam
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.faithfreedom.org
http://www.wikiislam.net
Dear Atoze
Your starting lines do not make me understand anything.However,you couldn’t understand me.I want to say that if Muslims love peace then why did they indulge in dungas many times in India and killed laks of Hindus.You give reason to be political.Can you make me understand how?Even if the reason is political then the question arise,if Muslims love peace then why did they indulge in dungas?You say that terrorosts are output of Jews,even then the question aire,why are the most of the terrorists are Muslims?
@Vinay Arya says:
December 25, 2011 at 10:14 am
so the cambodians, vietnamese, tamil tigers, Maoists, Northeast liberation front fighters, Serbians were/are all muslims. Why dungas never happened when muslims ruled India. Had muslims killed lakhs during their rule where would you have been today. All you say lacks credibility.
Dear Atoze
You said: Why dungas never happened when muslims ruled India.
So,please,you are unaware about the history of India,you should read the history books.Many history books clearly indicate how Muslims killed the innocent hindus.If you are yet not accepting then please read my family’s history:
During the Muslim period we used to live near Pakistan.We were cowards at that time.Muslim men and Mullas covered my family and said :Become a Muslim or get cut into pieces.Due to fear of death they got converted into Muslims.But when a man got birth on this earth everything got changed.Whom you hate too much.We were converted into hindus back by some organisation which was greatest at that time.According to my forefathers,MUslims used to cut us into pieces.Some used to eat human meat.Dead bodies used to lay as if destruction has happened.
@KB/Vinay/Bharmit/Bhagyraj/atoze
Atoze Brother you are doing very good work for Islam.
Islam means peace. Islam never produce any terrorist. Whatever organization in world like Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Toiba ,Jaish-e-Mohammed, Harkat-ul Mujahideen, Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami, Muslim Mujahideen etc. are group of noble/true people who are fighting for true religion e.i. Islam. & There is nothing wrong in these organizations they are acting in line of Quran. & it is prime most duty of every Muslim or good heated man to support them for the cause of religion. Today Muslim are in very bad condition in India. Muslim can not be in power unless they do not demand separate country for themselves based on Islamic laws as mentioned in Quran. Political parties in India doing exploitation of Muslim.
slave sheikh
don’t talk non-sense,
if muslims are in bad conditions in india then how muslims are in cinema, business, politics, sports and other fields,
how muslims are getting hajj subsidies in india?
how 3 muslims become presidents of india?
how there are so many muslim organisations
how there are waqf board and AIMPLB
Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry, etc. have in the past elected Muslims as CMs; Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of Muslim- majority J&K?
If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrassas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loudspeakers that there is no God except Allah?
If the communal riots is due to RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal, etc. why there are riots in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Chechhnya, China, Russia, UK, France, Spain, Cyprus, etc. – where there is no RSS/VHP.
if you have really problem then go out from india , there are 53 muslim countries .
Slim Shaikh says:December 25, 2011 at 11:53 am
If Quran is true why questioning is not allowed?
1) What is the meaning of peace as per Islam? How it can be attained?
2) If Islam means peace why you need to “fight” for a true religion? Will fighting means or attain peace?
3) Why Muslims targeting to offer Heaven to Hindus? Why can’t you let Hindus to enjoy in hell with great personalities, scientists and Rishies?
4) How the Organizations you mentioned who are intended to kill many people can be justified? Is this is called as peace in Islam?
5) The entire world except a small % calls the activities of the above mentioned organizations as terrorist activities. Can you justify them as true Muslims? Why?
6) If Allah is the true god why human beings need to protect him and his teaching by killing the nonbelievers?
7) When the picture/ narration /stories/ incidents of Quran are subject to critical evaluation, why Muslims becomes violent? Why you need to protect god?
9) Why apostates should be killed? Is there any hidden practice in Islam which should not be exposed?
10) After all what is the purpose of religion?
You are noble Slim SHaikh as you have said :Whatever organization in world like Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Toiba ,Jaish-e-Mohammed, Harkat-ul Mujahideen, Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami, Muslim Mujahideen etc. are group of noble/true people who are fighting for true religion e.i. Islam. & There is nothing wrong in these organizations they are acting in line of Quran
Everyone should read his post clearly please.Slim Shakh accepts that Muslims are producing terrorists.
@Vinay Arya
____________Slim Shakh accepts that Muslims are producing terrorists_______________
Where I said this?
Read my post again
http://agniveer.com/479/prophet-puran/#comment-62568
I said only Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Toiba ,Jaish-e-Mohammed, Harkat-ul Mujahideen, Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami, Muslim Mujahideen etc. are group of noble/true people who are fighting for true religion e.i. Islam.
You are demeaning these groups who are fighting only for Islam against those who do not believe in Islam & act against its teaching. As Bhagat Singh, Subhash Chandra Bose, Chander Shakhar Aazad were fighting for freedom against Britishers same these Muslim organization are fighting for Islam.
@Slim Shaik:
Every now and then you come on here to provide comic relief and get your ass whooped.
This is sign of decency in Islam.
If prevention of “sexual thoughts” is sign of decency in Islam, why does Allah provide 72 virgins in Jannat? Will the 72 virgins be cooking food in the kitchen all day long? What if you go out in Jannat from wherever your home is and dont come back for a few days? Some of these lovely damsels may get aroused by each other and engage in lesbo girl on girl action. Will Allah smite them from heaven to hell?
Salim Shaikh
It shows you are an absurd at a first place and an ignorant of the second place.
Islam does not mean ”peace”……. It means ”Submission”. And it demands everyone to be submissive to Allah and his last prophet(pbuh) and final prophet (zakir bhai)….. Lol
Slim Shaikh, hav u enjoyed the shouting of momin lion? Lol. Do u believe on Quran? If u do u r a superstitious. Proof- Al Quran Sura- Al Faatihah ch.1 v.3. – ”Who believe in the Unseen(i.e. superstition), are steadfast in prayer, and spend out what We have provided for them”. Now you tell aren’t u superstitious?
Everyone,
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@Bagyaraj says:
December 24, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Bro it is not surprising that again you are telling lies, you have a habit of blaming muslims for your own fallacies, suttee, custom of wife burning with the funeral pyre of the husband, derived is from the word sati who was wife of shiva, Practice of performing suttee was practised from time of Mahabharat ! ( I hope you are not saying that muslims were responsible for mahabharat also ! ) The custom was named after sati wife of shiva who committed suicide because her father insulted her husband. Sati means ‘chaste women’ or ‘good women’. It is custom used to be followed by Brahmins.
Such blatant lies you are concocting, thats your style and method ?
Look during times of war definitely atrocities were committed by invaders. These atrocities were committed from both sides, who started them we cannot know. As such people coming from Afghanistan side were not refined. But you can’t blame Islam for it. How you concoct lies as seen above in case of suttee, the story of muslims being oppressive may also be concocted. Because someones childhood was abusive does not mean he spoils his adult or future life because of it. By being so against Islam you only harm yourself in the long run.
@Atoze says:December 24, 2011 at 11:42 pm
What i referred you can find in the UGC approved history texts. You are referring to some of the religious books which is adulterated by western Indologists.Even if it is in religious book the story does not mean or give any message to jump in to fire when husband died.Any way the origin of Sathi shown in any authentic history books is from mughal period and not from the time of Mahabharata. Please search yourself in the authentic sources and find out who(either the fake scholars or myself) is telling the lie.
You said “you can’t blame Islam for it”. I am not blaming Islam for that instead blaming only the people who do that following Quran blindly.
You said”By being so against Islam you only harm yourself in the long run.”- I am not against Islam or Muslims but against the ignorance they are keeping in their life.
@Prithvi says:
December 25, 2011 at 9:10 am
There is a saying ‘badh achcha badnam burra’ The media highlights what happens in muslim countries only. You will be surprised to know that in 1970s times reported that a murder happens in India every 30s now that figure is astounding, it goes for other crimes also, which go unreported.
There are other forms of terrorism such as economic terrorism, emotional terrorism, socail terrorism …. the list is long. These are not highlighted. Because others are doing them they are not seen as evil, these are silent killers.
atoze
it valiant hindu rulers who successfully prevented muslims conquering completely, these muslims rulers were beasts and savageous who doesn’t have any benelovance or mercy on non-muslims.what you have to say about pakistan,bangladesh,afghanistan and kashmir who are now fully islamised and once upon time they were the part of indian sub -continenet.muslims are peaceful thats why massacred the zoroastrians in iran, destroyed their shrines ,enslaved their women and children, zoroastrians migrated to india and see how they have prospered in india.honor killings are high in muslim countries.persecution of non-muslims in islamic hells are same, have it has been bounded to 1 or 2 countries then it has been a different thing.those medias are high lighting the muslims , these are not lies. muslim migrants are commting several dreaded crimes in europe and USA in the name of allah,they are demanding for islamisation of europe, are christians are shouting for christianisation of arab lands and other muslim countries?.hindus or christians never formed terrorist organisation in the name of religion ,where as muslims have formed several terror organisations on quranic instructions.there are no religious violence in cambodia ,srilanka, burma and other non-muslim countries which were politically are no more, while there is daily violence in nigeria ,indonesia,,sudan with christians, sunnis and shias are killing each other in iraq,pakistan, yemen in the name of allah.
@ Pritvi,Vinay Arya and all others – Please learn this before commenting on Islam
Status & Responsibility of Women in Islam
Islam enjoins morality in behavior and appearance. Fashions that reduce women to sex objects are not acceptable.
Islam gave women the right of inheritance and independent ownership.
Women can seek employment. Muhammad’s first wife was a successful business woman.
Protection of Women’s Honor: “…who launch a charge against women…produce four witnesses…” (Quran 24:4).
Muhammad said: “…treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers”.
“The best of you are those who are kindest with your wives”
“….generous who are good to women, and…wicked who insults them”.
Status of Mother: “A man asked Muhammad: ‘Whom should I honor most?’ The Prophet replied: ‘Your mother’. ‘And who comes next?’ asked the man. The Prophet replied: ‘Your mother’. ‘And who comes next?’ asked the man. The Prophet replied: ‘Your mother!’ ‘And who comes next?’ asked the man. The Prophet replied: ‘Your father’”
Marriage: “…He created for you mates from among yourselves… dwell in tranquility with them and He has put love and mercy between your hearts…” (Quran 30:21).
Independent Identity: A married woman in Islam retains her independent legal personality and her family name. She is not the property of her husband in any way!
Wife’s Property: From the 7th century, a woman does not need to present gifts (dowry) to attract potential husband.
The groom must present the bride with a marriage gift. The bride retains her marriage gift even if she is later divorced.
She is never obliged to act as a co-provider for the family unless she herself voluntarily chooses to do so.
Divorce: Islam discourages divorce, yet recognizes the rights of both partners to end their matrimonial relationship.
“Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity…” (Quran 4:19).
“A believing man must not hate a believing woman. If he dislikes one of her traits he will be pleased with another”. (Muhammad).
The Veil: “O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies so that they should be known and not molested” (Quran 33:59).
Islamic veil is a means of protection from unwanted attention.
Polygamy
Polygamy in the West: Serial polygamy: marriage, divorce, marriage, divorce, etc; a married man with one or more girlfriends; an unmarried man with a number of girlfriends.
Polygamy addresses orphans and widows in society.
Billy Graham, the Evangelist said: “Islam has permitted polygamy as a solution to social ills… Christian countries make a great show of monogamy, but actually they practice polygamy.… Islam is a fundamentally honest religion…”
Many non-Muslim and Muslim countries have outlawed polygamy. Cheating on the wife or using women without taking responsibility are common.
Is the law designed to reward deception and punish honesty?
Nearly 4 out of 5 who accepted Islam in the USA are Women.
Some Famous Quotes About Muhammad
Bernard Shaw (British philosopher): “… the Savior of Humanity…..if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems…” (The Genuine Islam).
Gandhi: “…it was not the sword that won a place for Islam.. It was the rigid simplicity… his absolute trust in God and in his own mission..” (Young India)
Michael Hart: “My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons…he was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.” (The 100: A Ranking Of The Most Influential Persons In History).
The Rational Choice
Study different religions, compare them, and then make a rational choice.
Islam is the final religion of mankind till the last day of this world. God says: “We have sent you (Muhammad) as a mercy for all nations” (Quran 21:107).
“I (God) have perfected your religion for you…have chosen for you Islam as your religion” (Quran 5:3).
People often say that Islam spread by ‘the sword’. This is not true. There is no mention of the word ‘SWORD’ in the whole Quran. Only a few preachers went to Indonesia. Today it is the largest Muslim country.
There is not a single TV, Radio Station or a national newspaper owned or controlled by the Muslims in the USA. Islam is still the fastest growing religion in USA & Europe.
Those who accept Islam include priests, bishops, doctors, engineers, businessmen, writers, scientists, scholars, celebrities, inmates, and ‘ordinary’ people including a large percentage of women.
Muslim communities are growing in every city with over 4,000 mosques in USA and Canada alone.
Can you just quote sources of what you have mentioned. – Use sources other than Quran OR what Muslims say. You cannot quote any source because what you have mentioned is interpolated by a so called Momin. The true quotes with duly authentic true sources is found here:
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_the_Noteworthy
Mohammed was praised by 2 but insulted by 100 at least. Regarding growth of Muslim population, don’t worry. America will kill a Momin just as they did so for Osama. Nothing is wrong with a Muslim untill he becomes a Jehadi. You also know that 2012 is declared as official dooms day year. World ends when crimes reaches to its peak – Obviously. Since, all the signs of your awaited hour has arrived. You can assume that world will end soon. You Muslims are contributing towards world’s destruction. You proved that the only thing which you can do is this. Agree that Muslim population is growing but on the same side, many Arabics who are Jehadis are thrown behind bars. I guess you are cunting prisoners too. Leave it. Muslim dominated nation never succeeded and even Nostradamus is supporting India so, all your arguments fall flat. See you at the day of judgement. Good Bye till then.
hyder ji
muslims are growing due to the high birth rate and migration policies not due to any conversion rates.freedom of religion and its preaching is allowed to everybody .many muslims have renounced islam in usa and europe silenty due to the fear of death.
@ Ayras,Prithvi etc etc – If some body is ready to refute statement by statement
Read More Black Laws against the Women and Degradation of Women.
1. Every woman must be loyal, faithful. obedient honorable to her husband even if he is blind, deaf, dumb, old, physically handicapped, debauchel or, gambler and neglects his wife and lives with his concubine(s). If the husband is unhappy, it would be the fault of his wife. If he cries, she should cry. If he laughs she should laugh. She can only answer humbly to his question. She should not on her own put any question. She should eat only after her husband eats. If he is beating she should not react, but fall on his feet and beg him to pardon her, and kiss his hands and pacify him. If the husband dies she should burn herself to death on his funeral pyre and go along with him to the other world and serve him there in this manner. (Padma Purana)
2. Women are fickle minded. Never believe them. Friendship with women is just like friendship with a wolf. (Rig-Veda 8-33-7)
3. A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband and avails the privilege of serving her husband in the other world. (Atharva Veda 18-3-1)
4. Woman is the source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At the time of the puberty she makes her parents weep. At the time of the marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits lot of blunders and brings bad name to the entire family, relatives and Varna . She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and other family members. She is called ‘DARIKA’ because she is source of sorrow to all. (Aithareya Brahmana)
5. Women are liars, corrupt, greedy, and non virtuous. (Manu II 1)
6. Even for a woman, the performance of the sanskaras are necessary and they should be performed. But they should be performed without uttering the Veda Mantras.” (Manu II. 60)
7. It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); the wise are never unguarded in the company of males. (Manu II…
8. For women are able to lead astray in (this) world not only a fool, but even a learned man, and (to make) him a slave of desire and anger.” (Manu II.214) 9. One should not sit in a lonely place with one’s mother, sister or daughter, for the senses are powerful, and master even a learned man.” (Manu II. 215)10. A Brahmin male by virtue of his birth becomes the first husband of all women in the universe. (Manu III. 14)11. Women not care for beauty, nor is their attention fief on age; (thinking); (it is though that) he is a man; they give themselves to the handsome and to the ugly. (Manu IV. 14)12. By a girl, by a young woman, or even by an aged one, nothing must be done independently, even in her own house.” (Manu IV. 147) 13. In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, when her lord is dead to her sons; a woman must never be independent. (Manu IV. 148)14. She must not seek to separate herself from her father, husband or son; by leaving them. She would make them both (her own and her husband’s) family incompatible. (Manu IV. 149)15. A Brahman must never eat food given at a sacrifice performed by a woman. (Manu IV. 205) 16. Sacrifices performed by women are inauspicious and not acceptable to god. They should therefore be avoided. (Manu IV. 206)17. She must always be cheerful, clever in management of her household affairs, careful in cleaning her utensils and economical in expenditure. (Manu V. 150)18. Him to whom her father may give her, or her brother with the father’s permission, she shall obey as long as he lives and when he is dead, must not insult his memory. (Manu V. 151)19. The husband who wedded her with sacred mantras is always a source of happiness to his wife, both in season and out of season, in this world and in the next. (Manu V1. 53)
20. Though destitute or virtuous, or seeking pleasure elsewhere, or devoid of good qualities, yet a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife. (Manu V. 154)21. No sacrifice, no vow, no fast must be performed by women, apart from their husbands. If a wife obeys her husband, she will for that reason alone be exalted in heaven. (Manu V. 155)22. At her pleasure let her (i.e. widow) enunciate her body, by living voluntarily on pure flowers, roots and fruits, but let her not when her lord is deceased, even pronounce the name of another man. (Manu V. 157)23. But a widow, who from a wish to bear children, slights her deceased husband by marrying again, brings disgrace on herself here below, and shall be excluded from the seat of her lord (in heaven). (Manu V. 161)24. Responsibly the father who gives not (his daughter) in marriage at the proper time. (Manu IX. 4)25. A woman must always maintain her virtue and surrender her body to her husband only, ever if she is married off to an ugly person or even a leper. (Manu IX. 14)26. Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they become disloyal towards their husbands, however, carefully they may be guarded in this (world). (Manu IX. 15)27. Knowing their disposition, which the Lord of Creatures laid in them at the creation, to be such, (every) man should most strenuously exert himself to guard them. (Manu IX. 16)28. When creating them, Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of heart) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct. (Manu IX. 17) 29. Killing of a woman, a Shudra or an atheist is not sinful. Woman is an embodiment of the worst desires, hatred, deceit, jealousy and bad character. Women should never be given freedom. (Manu IX. 17 and V. 47, 147)30. Women have no right to study the Vedas. That is why their Sanskars are performed without Veda Mantras. women have no knowledge of religion because they have no right to know the Vedas. The uttering of…
hyder
your quran and hadith still talks women is inferior to the men
see here
(quran 4.34)-Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is most high.
(quran 2.228)-Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
(quran 2.282)-Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses.
(quran 4.11)-“Allah directs you in regard of your Children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females…. These are settled portions ordained by Allah.
(Sahih Bukhari 3:48:826)-Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, “Isn’t the witness of a women equal to half that of a man?” The women said “yes”. He said “This is because of the deficiency of the women’s mind.”
(Sahih Bukhari 1:9:490)-Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.”
(Sahih Bukhari 5:59:524)-The Muslims said among themselves, ‘Will…
Wow!
We have cried enoguh.We have said to read the authentic translation of the Vedas.We have provided the site which gives the translation of the complete Vedas.Now,if you don’t read them then please do not read also translations by fools.We have also said thaT Manu Smriti has been changed orver time.So one should be careful while reading it.But you do not follow it.So,please,tell us how can we be helpful for you?
And you are criticising some good qualities of woman.Those aren’t bad qualities.Think in your mind freely.
Even now,we are advising you to study “Satyarth Prakash”.Here you will find the proof of woman’s right to study Vedas,do havan,no caste system, etc. There are many articles on this site which prove that woman has the right to study the Vedas,shudras have the right.”.But I am waiting for that day when you will read them.Hope,you will pass your eyes this time opened through those articles.
Prithvi says:
December 25, 2011 at 1:34 pm
The khemer rouge was in cambodia and tamil tigers in srilanka , IRA in England, these were terrorist organisations in united nations list. The christians often raised to the ground the cities they conquered. Did muslims do that ?
Why did Ashoka embrace buddhism after kalinga ?
The so called advanced nations are now realising that what is happening in Muslim ruled countries is because of the wrong policies they have been following for such a long time. The chickens are only now coming to roost.
I think honor killings are much more prevalent in places where they do not allow ‘same Gotra’ marriages. What is that a community sanctioned oppression in the name of honour or just honour killing. ?
bro is this thing prevailing so heavy on your heart that you have become biased on Islam. No, I think it is unwise to do that. It is the best Religion sent by Allah/God/Eshwar. The present position on terrorism may change in due course but it may be too late for some people if they are waiting for this situation to change before they realise the true value of Islam. You know life is not only short but also uncertain.
The pope says that Prophet Muhammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny) brought nothing new to this world ? Are you also thinking on the same lines ? See Jesus Christ when denied the Quran by Allah, saying that it was reserved for Muhammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny) requested Allah to raise him up and send him again when the Holy Quran was on Earth. To this Allah agreed. He would return as a muslim. Did Jesus Christ know something more than what the pope thinks. Prophet Muhammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny) predicted that when Jesus christ returned the whole world would see and listen to Him. 1400 yrs ago was this imaginable ? Now we can understand how this is possible. Secondly, Prophet Muhammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny) also told that Jesus Christ would return on…
these people were not any prophets or holy persons.They never fought any war in the name of god or religion. They were politically engaged .they are now no more exists today.Ashoka was not a religious person he never fought in the name of god or religon.He embraced buddhism due to ethically . But Muslims are motivated in the name of religion and are killing innocent people.Who told Muslims to attack Persia,Egypt,Spain,Afghanistan,India.Your caliphs were like gangsters who massacred the population and enslaved the female and children.See it
http://www.historyofjihad.org
there are many verses in quran which indicates hate and discrimination towards non-believers, Muslims are people who divide the people,world, things on the lines of religion.quran indicates violence see it
[2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
[4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world’s life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[4.91] You will find…
[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.
[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
[5.38] And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[5.86] And (as for) those who disbelieve and reject Our communications, these are the companions of the flame.
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in…
@Prithvi says:
December 26, 2011 at 7:12 am
I don’t know from where you learn this habbit of applying war time principles during peaceful times ! ( porbably your aim is to criticise only).
Phir bhi jo paida kar sakta hai, aur jo-kuch achchey cheezay hain daey sakta hai woh bahtu kuch cheen bhi sakta hai. Allah jo chate hain karte hain. There is no one who can stop Him once He decides on something.
Allah has said He is Most Merciful, but He has also said that, He is strict in punishment.
@Prithvi says:
December 25, 2011 at 1:34 pm
contd…
Secondly, Prophet Muhammad (may Allah send his blessings on him and his progeny) also told that Jesus Christ would return on Friday the auspicious day for muslims. Incidentally, Allah choose to also lift Jesus Christ on Friday only. (Can you see the correlation ). Why he did not leave this world on sunday. Jesus Christ preached christianity for a short period and that Bible was written a long time after he left this earth. There are inconsistencies in the Bible. Quran gives the Criterion to judge the difference between right and wrong. How to obtain Allahs mercy. How to obtain pardon. Besides it is a book of power. The list is very very long. I have just mentioned few.
@Prithvi says:
December 25, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Bro. the credit of makig India one country from Assam to Afghanistan goes to Muslims. Before they came India it was divided into small kingdoms always at war with each other !
atoze
“muslims united india”are you collecting information from Pakistani historians . india was already united under Nandas,Mauryas,Kanishkas, Harsh vardhanas.Afghanistan was already part of the india .Muslims can’t conquered Assam. during muslim rule india was not united .there were many muslim kingdoms who where fighting each other,bengal,bijapur,golconda,hyderabad,ahmadnagar ,jaunpur ,awadhand nawab of gujarat.Muslims separated afghanistan during mughals, it was British who united India and change the future of India.
@ Pritvi,
Some objections and my point of view.
By British
Old caste system in India is based on profession and the rigidity was brought by the British, by conducting the senses based on the professional name and they labeled the profession as caste and declared each caste is specific and different. They declared interchange is not possible. The hidden agenda when they declared that some castes are superior and other are inferior / lower. This resulted in the fight among the castes for their aim of divide and rule this country. British created more than 1400 castes like this.British separated the districts, panchayat, municipality, geographically, they separated Indians also and labeled them inferior and superior on the so called caste, where professionally there were only four castes without any problem for their interchanging, They demarked the so called castes with powerful marking without the provision for interchanging. The present progressives, atheists, rationalists, radicals, politicians degraded that further. Which automatically divided the society like what resulting in social fight and conflict.
By Politicians
In this country, all the negatives are either created or magnified / glorified / polluted / criminalized /.. by politicians. The British created and rigidified the caste system and the politicians screwed for their benefits. Politicians like V.P. Singh divided the Hindus in the name of mandal commission and Maayaavati type of people are further degrading it. Remember none is to be left out from this crime, including the BJP. Only solution is that serious and sincere organizations should work silently for eradicating the tumor from the society by removing the negatives of the caste system. Discuss with the caste leaders and followers. Never give an impression that the caste system will be eradicated. The only aim should be the removal of the evils of the caste system. Even now the politicians want to keep the caste system and its negatives alive for their benefit whether the society divides or the society goes to dogs, they are more heinous than the Britishers who ruled India for more than 250 years.
@ Pritvi,
Conclusion
After all in Hindu community the divide based on caste system is very less compared to the fight between different muslim group among themselves and different Christian groups among themselves for power, money and for converting each other to their castes.
bagyaraj
i admit that today nasty politicians are playing vote bank dividing hindus on caste basis, those brahmans,kshytrias ,vaishyas and shudras were considered on karma which was later corrupted by selfish persons from time to time. today only solution is the education to eradicate caste system. We want people like vikramaditya,shivaji ,savarkar,bal gangadhar tilak and other patriots to create a hindu nationalism.its the people create a stong government for national security
Some Scientific facts of caste system in Vedas
“chaathur varnyam mayaa srushtam guna karma vibhaagasa”: I have created the four varnas (purely) based on the quality of the profession (karma) respectively……….. Varna can be said as colour or group.
Scientific evidence for this statement
Dr. P. Raman, MBBS, MD, Professor of Calicut Medical College, Kerala and Skin specialist conducted with a team of doctors, the aura analyses of few hundred people using Kirlian photography. Aura of the people from all religion and caste were subjected to the analyses and found that the aura (of all the people) can be classified under four colors.
@Bagyaraj says:
December 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Aura may depend on the colour but according to gene mapping there was no difference between races in the DNA makeup. I think nothing gives truer picture than DNA mapping !
@Atoz says:December 27, 2011 at 1:05 am
Aura is a field of subtle, luminous radiation surrounding a person or object and DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid, is the hereditary material in humans and almost all other organisms. Both are different subject.The analysis is done on Aura and is based on color.How can one do Gene mapping to know the color??
@Prithvi says:
December 26, 2011 at 2:30 pm
America is a country which has a very-very diverse population. (It is a relatively new country where people from all over the world have settled.) It is a country where there is equality and justice. They work on the premise that people will love their country if they are given equality and justice. People will do anything for what they Love.
To give you an example, immediatedly post 9/11 one christian shot dead one sikh and one muslim at a petrol pump out of racial hatred. The state where the incident happened still has death sentence for grevious offences . In the judgement of the above case death sentence was awarded to the accused, which was promptly carried out. 9/11 or whatever they will never compromise on principles.
america,europe and india are following true democracies due to which people are enjoying freedom and benefits no doubt, but it is your duty to explain the radical muslims who wants to destroy the democracy and culture of western countries.religious freedom,expresssion are permited in india.but islamic countries like iran,pakistan saudi arabia,sudan and others provides equal and justice like america?
@Prithvi says:
December 27, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Today america is better, at one time America was controlled by Mafia,
Justice is still better in Muslim countries.
There is instabiltiy in Muslim countries because of outside interference. Business interests you see.
atoze
muslim counntries from centuries are following dictatorship,tyranny,oppression.it is the study which taughts in muslim countries to blame on western world.human rights are being demnaded in muslim countries for many years which has not been fulfilled.many people are migrating to the western world for better life .if america and other european countries are have better position because they respects humanity, they respects secularism they are not crazy on religion. they have eliminated religion from education and state, where as your muslim countries are only crazy about religion or else nothing thats why they are backwards, your muslim countries only thinks about blasphemy law or else nothing. by following inhuman and barbarian law you say this is justice .
@Prithvi says:
December 26, 2011 at 7:12 am
contd…
Allah had to say these ayats regarding battle because people came to fight muslims, they did not want anyone propagating against idolatory, because it was their means of livelihood. They did not want to stop usury, their means of livelihood, so Jesus Christ was crucified. It is evil that came to fight good. Satya ki jeet ke liye hi to duniya bani hai. Agar sangharsh nahi hoga to jeet kaisi. It is evil that comes to destroy good always. You have to protect good isn’t it.
During history of mankind the rules of the battle was one to one man, do we any longer follow these rules ?
Before you start quoting Quranic ayats you should first read reference to context. ( Unless youy aim is to criticise only). It will help to remove your doubts.
However, Allah has set the rules of battle also. They are much better against those who fight with no rules. Men have made neutron bombs, Hydrogen bombs, atom bombs, chemical weapons, biological weapons, Star wars n don’t know what not. Enough to destroy themselves. So now these people are accusing Allah ! Allah made laws of fusion n fission to provide you with energy and and man has readied it to destroy themselves.
Allah made man and has set the rules of family life, in line with rules of his creation. Insaan ne kya kiya woh kya chahta hai jo aap west main aaj dekh rahe ho…., Bollywood mein dekh rahe ho…. live in relationship.
All the good things He has created to ear ! Don’t be thankless to Allah for his countless favours. Allah has said ‘ then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny.’
Ek shair ne kaha hai ‘ Zindagi kya hai anasir me zahoore tarteeb maut kya hai inhe ajza ka pareyshaan hona’. Be thankful that Allah created you.
Atoz brother,
I am not interested in criticizing anyone but want to be frank.
You are right. One cannot deny what greatness GOD did. उस परमसत्य के कई उपकार है हमारे समाज पर जो मनुष्य अज्ञानतावश भूल बैठा है। But, I have a doubt. You mentioned that GOD was against those who came to kill Muslims – whatever be the reason. So, GOD made rules of fighting and order death of Non Muslims. Agree – Fully agree.
Please read further. Osama Bin Laden & other terrorists destroyed WTC. What was wrong with poor innocent peoples there? In Islam dominated nations, a christian is killed if he tries to build a Church. In no Christian nation, Muslims are killed if they build any mosque. Why such partiality? The terrorists like Kasab is evil or not? In Mumbai blasts (OR any other blasts) many innocent peoples are killed who donot have anything against any Muslim. Just they were unfortunately born as Non Muslim & did not become a Muslim. Was it right for a Momin to kill them? OK – even if we assume that many people hated Muslim; yet there are many innocents. Murder of children is not permissible as per Quran. Why gangs like Al Qaeda, Lashkar e Taiyyeba etc. blasts buildings and kills babies too then? My friend, you are speaking of America. In America, many Muslims are behind the bars as they are caught red handed making atom bombs. They admitted that they wanted to destroy USA. It seems the Muslims themselves are disobeying the rules by GOD.
My actual doubt is: What is your reaction to these mass murders ??? Are you in favour of these ? If yes, WHY? If not, then what solutions you propose? Please explain so that true Islam can be understood. Thanks
GOD IS GREAT says:
December 27, 2011 at 12:24 pm
only a small portion of your response is worth answering to. Allah is aganist any sort of killing, not muslims only. I said before quoting Quran please refer to history of the ayats revealed ( reference to context ) , in other words please do not quote out of context.
About you query regarding terrorists All terrorist is condemnable.
But before you pass a judgement on anyone find the actual facts, refer to a book – ‘who killed karkare’, this will give you some better insight of behind the scenes position.
To give you an example, I have heard that there are some terrorist organisations, operating in various conflict zones, which are supported by western countries. I am unable to give specific details, these are financed by big powers for political gains. They have interests in these countries. Asliyat kahan pata hai sabko.
Who is behind what. After all the day of Judgement will be a busy day probably. There would be a lot to do judgement to do.
There are christian terrorist organisations also, okhaloma bombing, the skin heads etc. In America whites are massacring children in schools, In Australia they are targeting Indians have you forgotten that. How many Indians are working and earning in Muslim countries !
Tell me, if your younger brother asks for money for chocolate – you will readily give it, If he asks money for making chlothes, buy motorcycle you will readily oblige. However if you brother asks money for buying doping drugs will you give it ? In fact you would chide him. Similarly because muslims are against Idolatory, in christian churches also they do Idolatory by putting images of mother mary and Jesus Christ. So they do not allow building Churches – where ever you are referring to.
Aap politics zyada or religion ke bare mein kam sochte ho lagta hai !
Atoze
yes good always blame on others , now you will say that pakistan was created by hindus, after you will say ajmal kasb , dawood ibrahim they all are innocents .Okholoham bombings was caused by mentaly ill person.
“christian terrorists” have they made guidelines on jesus , these people never recognised with any religions, the incidents you have mentioned are not nothing to do with the religion , they have been now solved,
Indians have full of talent they are working through all over the world , in USA there are sizeable no. doctors and scientists, in Gulf countries people are being recruited from all over the world , there are many non-muslims who have complained discrimination in those countries, muslims are getting political benefits in europe and USA.
so by not allowing building churches in your countries , so you want to say that muslims are intolerant, fanatics and always interfare in other religious matters. muslims always interfare in other religions ,does christian countries prohibits the muslims from building mosques and madrasahs by giving childish statement. why muslims have problem in idolatory or polytheists of other beliefs, every person have freedom of choice what and how and to whom they will worship, this is respected by america ,india and other secular countries.
@Prithvi says:
December 28, 2011 at 8:41 am
Prithvi :-
It is not easy to get permission for muslims to build a religious place in non muslim ruled states. Muslims were not allowed to build even a community centre near gound zero in New York. ( You know how good and easy it is to build a mosque in India, Temple toh main road encroach karke you can make it ! )
25 years ago Saudi king asked french president for a plot of land in Paris to build a mosque, for businessmen visiting and diplomats. The french president said that you can get permission if you allow us to build a church in Mecca ! Event 25 years back !
{ It is a different matter that there are now so many whites in france, who have embraced Islam, that there are now 5000 mosques in France }
what has been created in the world or the scenario of world is due to the human thoughts.what is good and what is bad it is due to morality and ethical thoughts of human, religions prohibits human thoughts exceed.no religious book said that we are slave of god, we are the children of god .entire universe is the part of god.i don’t believe in hell fire, god gives the result according to the human’s actions.i reject the god who behaves like sadistic monster and imperialistic
i have not criticised any books what has written in your holy text that i have say , quotes are comming same after translation in every language, you people always says out of context, minorities are always persecuted in islamic countries ,their rights have been denied. they have been considered as dhimmis where as muslims are enjoying all rights in western countries.musliims are killing innocent people in the name of god.i have really seen how muslims terrify the innocent people. they uses slangs, molests the girls on streets.
muslims are criminalising the societies of europe, in india bangladeshi muslims are engaged in dreaded crimes .
pigs are haram then why god created them? for these we will thank to your allah.
@Prithvi says:
December 27, 2011 at 2:14 pm
You reject god is okay but if God should reject you then there is deep deep trouble for you. You can do nothing about it. God is irresistible if you only understood that. Even your stupid genes are very unstable they need to be repaired all the time. If some of the repair work goes wrong you would be severly sick. Should Allah reverse engineer, meaning reorganise your genes, you may end up as an ape or a pig, you can do nothing about it. He has done that to people before who rejected Him.
atoze
so you means allah doesn’t know except torture and cruelity who rejects him, like crime mafia any body who disobeys the mafia then mafia will kill him, now it is clear that allah ki soch itni giri hui hai , no prophets in other religion said there is no hell fire , then all persons before islam and non-muslims who serve for humanity are now burning in hell, why allah is not giving any proof of hell and heaven ,just following dogmas like sheep, every living creature which has been created by nature are benefits for us..scientists have proved all living beings have some useful benefits whether it may be ant,pig or any animals .
@GOD IS GREAT says:
December 27, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Allah has said ‘ Tyranny and oppression is worst than murder’.
I will not elaborate where all and how muslims are oppressed.
@Prithvi says:
December 28, 2011 at 8:41 am
I think you did not read properly what I said about ajmal kasab, I was suggesting, since we have captured one terrorist alive, we should use him to find about the whole plot, saazish ka parda poora faash hona chaheye so that all those involved in it are brought to justice. We should make sure such incidents don’t happen again.
there is no doubt that BBC WORLD has shown the proof that ajmal kasab is a pakistani and has shown the house locality, he has also admitted that pakistan is behind terrorism in india but some scoundrels are blaming on hindus,Pakistan who has no work except hate ,revenge and destruction of India has continuing jihad against ourselves, There is no need of any relations with these liars ,brainless and terror sanctuary country Pakistan.
Atoze
we admit that some people in europe have converted to islam to which oftenly claimed by Muslims, but they say nothing where muslims leaving Islam.As i have told freedom is religion practised in Europe and USA so they converts to islam and other religions, but many Muslims are leaving islam silently in Europe due to fear of their lives. you have heard that muslims who renounce islam have been put into death or severly tortured. One recent example an Iranian pastor Youscef Nadarkhani have penalised by death for his apostasy .so there is a big difference between western and muslim countries, even minorities are not allowed to repair their shrines in islamic countries.
opposing ground zero mosque is done by the americans whose relatives were killed in 9/11 attack, even ahmediya as also demanded to build temple,church,synagogue and other shrines in ground zero to respect the victims of all communities.
Prithvi jee,
What’s the use? People like Atoze won’t learn easily. They will only criticize us & keep doing so. He says that we blame Muslims but in one of the previous comments – he writes:
///Saudi king asked french president for a plot of land in Paris to build a mosque, for businessmen visiting and diplomats. The french president said that you can get permission if you allow us to build a church in Mecca ! Event 25 years back !
{ It is a different matter that there are now so many whites in france, who have embraced Islam, that there are now 5000 mosques in France }///
He himself brought loopholes in Islam to the light. Muslims won’t allow anybody to build religious buildings in their countries but would require others to build Mosques in their countries. See how FRAUD Islam is. 25 years later, Christianity has reformed. Islam is yet to reform. (Consider you are playing chess. Opponent says – I will play on your behalf. You cannot play on mine. I will kill your pawn, you cannot kill mine. If I am victorious, you reward me. If you are, I won’t reward you. Islam functions similar way.) But good thing – Atoze himself showed loopholes in Islam.
Conclusion:
Nevertheless, let’s not waste our energy putting someone down. But we should focus on core of the link mentioned below i.e., building our Dharma and educate / unite Hindus. http://agniveer.com/600/naik-hinduism/#comment-63739
GOD IS GREAT says:
December 28, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Christians have reformed and muslims haven’t. This incident is not enough to prove that christians have reformed in any way.
You think Hinduism after all the reforms is good enough. No it isn’t, it is now just a sugar coated falsehood. The basic religious concepts in hinduism are faulty. You may remove Suttee, Child marriages, Torture of widows, Surpression of lower castes, abolition of devdasi system ,honor killing in same gotra marriages etc, to name a few, but the basic concepts of God are defective in Hinduism.
So anyone who reforms hinduism maybe does good for hinduism but it harms hindus. It ensures that hindus remain ‘warped’ worshipping gods and goddesses. Akbar who started it has done disservice to hindus. The Later people who did it may have been sincere but they were inspired by people with ulterior motives. In contrast Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah send his blessing on him and his progeny ) wanted as many people as possible to get heaven. After all he ( may Allah send his blessing on him and his progeny ) was sent as mercy to Mankind from Allah. Hindus however continue to see this politically. Jabke aisa kuch nahin hai. (Aap to khud keh rahe ho ke aap superior ho saare doctor engineer aapke race se bante hain to aapko kaheki chinta hai. Don’t see it politically. Nobody is going to live for very long.)
Reformed Hinduism is only like removing the bitterness from poison, so that it is easy to consume. The Hindus will ultimately suffer for it. I’m sorry if I have hurt you by saying this in plain words. But truth is sometimes harsh to hear.
@Atoze:
The basic religious concepts in hinduism are faulty.
Concepts like what?
but the basic concepts of God are defective in Hinduism.
What’s defective about the concepts of God in Hinduism?
It ensures that hindus remain ‘warped’ worshipping gods and goddesses.
How?
The Hindus will ultimately suffer for it.
What is “ultimate” and how will we suffer for “it”. What is this “it”?
I’m sorry if I have hurt you by saying this in plain words. But truth is sometimes harsh to hear.
You havent hurt me. You just made some random unsubstantiated assertions.
Salutations Brother Atoze!
Have you seen Laughter Challenge? The participants there insult many famous personalities. Some even laugh at the anchors. But no one reacts. Why? Because they know that it is meant as light hearted comedy and not a serious programme. Your comment is of same category. Why feel bad – I rather thank you for entertaining me.
Majority of Christian and other Non Muslim countries have become secular. Which Muslim dominated nation is secular? Yet you find Christian reforms NOT SATISFACTORY. good joke!
Where did I mention myself superior? (Or is it another joke by you?) and how can doctors and engineers be politically seen? What has that to do with long life? If these are other jokes by you, please mention so. Brother, while telling so many jokes, you forgot to consider the fact Islam is yet to reform. This error is OK – given the fact that you speak jokes.
Why do you have problems with Hindu reforms? Who are you to judge reforms by the way? ISLAM clearly mentions that On the Day Judgement – Allah judges everyone. Why are you taking Allah’s job? Leave the judgement jobs onto Allah. Thank you once again for the entertainment.
@KalBhairav says:
December 30, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Please refer to this site to see what I meant.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/266312/Hinduism/59835/Stories-of-the-gods
@atoze:
Please refer to this site to see what I meant.
Did you really mean ALL of the contents of that website? You are kidding me, right? If you really meant to say all that you have either a (1)great way of summarizing a long document which unfortunately only makes sense to you, or (2)you have a stupid way of summarizing a long document, or (3)you did not really mean what that website says but meant something else in which case you would be called a liar or (4)you have an extremely warped sense of logic for none of the assertions you made in your penultimate post follow from anything that is mentioned in the website that you referred to in your last post.
@GOD IS GREAT says:
December 30, 2011 at 10:54 pm
See jokes apart , Islam does not need to reform because all the accusations against islam which you say need reform are not there in Islam.
What some muslims are practising wrong and not sanctioned in Islam they will have to answer for one day.
However, some muslims are quite reformed, eg they don’t eat meat, what to talk about cows, demanding dowry from parents of bride, bumping off one bride to get another one, bride burning. Lots of them are taking to liqor , drugs, dicing, gambling, womanising, stealing, trigger happy, taking graft, etc. etc.
@atoze
_______What some muslims are practising wrong and not sanctioned in Islam they will have to answer for one day.
However, some muslims are quite reformed, eg they don’t eat meat, what to talk about cows________
What rubbish you are preaching here? Are u kaffir. Meat eating is very beneficial. Who are u to talk against meat eating if Allah & Prophet sanctioned meat eating? If they do not eat meat thast means they are against Prophet & Allah & Quran. If they do not like test then no problem. If there is something other reason they are against Prophet (PBUH).
@TSlim Shaik says:
January 1, 2012 at 11:26 am
shaik please read the previous correspondence between me and prithvi and God is Great the you will understand what and why I have written what you are referring to.
Wish you all a Happy New Year !
@Atoze
asalam o alikum
__________Wish you all a Happy New Year__________________
My new year starts with Islamic calendar. I am not follower of English or European like Hindus & Muslims like you. Have u listen proverb (Baigani Shaddi me abdula diwana)? This is fit on you.
Tslim Shaikh
what an absur guy you are!!!!!!!!!! Lol. Follow–
My new year starts with Islamic calendar. I am not follower of English or European like Hindus & Muslims like you. Have u listen proverb (Baigani Shaddi me abdula diwana)? This is fit on you.
So why you use internet which was invented by kaffirs? Why are you typing in English rather than Arabia? Why are you spending time on facebook which was introduced by a kaffir Mark? Why do you use bulb which was invented by a jew? Why do you use satellite which came to being by the process of the greatest scientists who were anything but muslims??? Can you answer this?? Look Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Jews (and so on but not islam) have contributed to humanity but what your islam did for humanity other than assassination, invasion, plundering, looting, child molesting etc etc??????
Brother Spirit!
There is one thing which these Muslim jokers always say. Islam & Quran is scientific. Questions arise: If Islam be scientific, how many scientists and innovators it generated. Answer = 0.000 (correct upto 3 decimal places). Now, this Slim Shaikh will give stupid explanation to defend Islam. But, even he cannot tell which scientists made Quran as reference? (How can he – champions here will catch his lie very easily.) This proves a persian scholar Mohammed Abu Bakr who said, “If the people of Islam are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed.” What a cruel belief propagated by a cruel follower of Satan. Ref.: http://alturl.com/rsqen
@Spirit/God(Allah) is Great
All the scientific discoveries/inventions you have motioned above are in the line of Quran. Quran is base of all. All these came after Quran revelations. You should get this point.
http://agniveer.com/479/prophet-puran/#comment-65420
@Reply to Islam needs to reform GOD IS GREAT says:
December 30, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Islam does not need to reform because all the accusations against islam which you say need reform are not there in Islam.
What some muslims are practising wrong and not sanctioned in Islam they will have to answer for one day.
However, some muslims are quite reformed, eg they don’t eat meat, what to talk about cows, demanding dowry from parents of bride, bumping off one bride to get another one, bride burning. Lots of them are taking to liqor , drugs, dicing, gambling, womanising, stealing, trigger happy, taking graft, etc. etc.
ISLAM does not need reforming. EXCELLENT JOKE. All those who know truth can never control laughter on reading this. Some Muslims are reformed??? You mean to say that all those who haven’t reformed are not Muslim. I can show you incidents in Mumbai where many Muslims are drunk. Alcohol is banned in Islam – NO MORE THAN 12% Muslim population follows that. ///What some muslims are practising wrong and not sanctioned in Islam they will have to answer for one day./// WOW! You mean that 88% Muslims will answer. Again I appreciate your jokes.
Well, I am doubtful whether Islam is a religion OR not. The word religion comes from Latin word Religare meaning: Union. A religion assures union with almighty. Now, coming to 3 major faiths.
JUDAISM – Broken into 71 sects of which 1 goes to heaven
CHRISTIANITY – Broken into 72 sects of which 1 goes to heaven
ISLAM – Broken into 73 sects of which 1 goes to heaven.
Forget of these 3 being true religion OR related with peace / happiness. These are NOT religions in first place as they assure hell to a majority of followers. There are nothing more than a group of sects. On the contrary:
Hinduism – 4 varnas. Lower caste NOT allowed to enter religious places. Even this is faulty.
YOGA – derives from Sanskrit root युज् meaning union. Many people define: आत्मा और परमात्मा का मिलन योग है। Yoga is related with Vedas and hence YOGIC / VEDIC view is true religion. Vedas originated in India & India never invaded any other country in at least past 10,000 years. Hence, The true religion of peace = Vedas only. Vedas isn’t Hinduism. I believe in Vedas but not in Hinduism.
O proud Muslim, please answer this: http://alturl.com/n33v9
This is based on verse 10.18.7, part of the verses to be used at funerals. Whether they even describe sati or something else entirely, is disputed, The hymn is about funeral by burial, and not by cremation. There are differing translations of the passage. The translation below is one of those said to prescribe it.
इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे || (RV 10.18.7)
Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as collyrium (to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned.[63]
The text does not mention widowhood, and other translations differ in their translation of the word here rendered as ‘pyre’ (yoni, literally “seat, abode”; Griffith has “first let the dames go up to where he lieth”). In addition, the following verse, which is unambiguously about widows, then contradicts any suggestion of the woman’s death; it explicitly states that the widow should return to her house.
उदीर्ष्व नार्यभि जीवलोकं गतासुमेतमुप शेष एहि |
हस्तग्राभस्य दिधिषोस्तवेदं पत्युर्जनित्वमभि सम्बभूथ || (RV 10.18.8)
Rise, come unto the world of life, O woman — come, he is lifeless by whose side thou liest. Wifehood with this thy husband was thy portion, who took thy hand and wooed thee as a lover.[64]
A reason given for the discrepancy in translation and interpretation of verse 10.18.7, is that one consonant in a word that meant house, yonim agree “foremost to the yoni”, was deliberately changed by those who wished claim scriptural justification, to a word that meant fire, yomiagne.[65]
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
December 31, 2011 at 2:22 pm
http://alturl.com/n33v9
It is quite evident that the questions asked and on basis of wrong interpretations of Quran by some people and devising wrong hadith to misguide people. I think you ask zakir naik these questions he would answer you more convincingly because he has more knowledge. But I know that it will make no difference to you, because I see that you are incapable of seeing the truth. With a whole body of truth that is there in the Holy Quran and Hadiths you are running after such minor points. You intentions are something else rather than to know truth. Whom Allah leaves straying there is no one to Guide. I will not write more because I could hurt you sentiments if I write more about who all are people whom Allah leaves straying.
Atoze brother. First of all, Happy New Year
I am not against truth as such. The fact is: TRUTH REMAINS TRUTH AND IT DOES NOT DEPENDS UPON WHETHER YOU OR I BELIEVE WITH IT.
But let me ask you a simple thing: Whenever somebody tells you what is wrong in Islam / Quran. Why you always provide a lame excuse that Quran and Hadiths are falsely interpreted? I agree that scriptures can be misinterpreted but I would request you to rather than simply running from discussion stating that concepts are ill interpreted, provide the real interpretation. I would like to know Quran / Hadith from your perspective. Make that file and just reply when you are done.
NO, I am not interested in asking anything to Zakir Naik; because I see him as human with devil in disguise but still perceive you as a human being. Don’t worry of hurting my sentiments. Be frank. Regarding whom Allah leaves straying, my friend, human mind can dare to challenge destiny & that’s the reason why science has progressed a lot.
And regarding my comment, I just showed origin of term “religion”. What lie you find there? please make it error proof. Lord Tebbit had said once, “The tragedy of Islam is that it is still stuck back where Christianity was when Galileo was under threat for saying that the Earth orbits the Sun. It has lacked a reformation. From being at the forefront of science, medicine, mathematics, art, and literature, the Islamic world has simply failed to innovate or discover for centuries.”
Hope this time you give some unbiased response.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 1, 2012 at 1:56 pm
If you really want to know the truth then you should go to the best source. viz Dr. Zakir Naik. ( Ya aap faulaad ho jab kamzor mukabil hai ? )
For your definition of religion please refer to online websters or Oxford dictionary.
As far as you quote on lord Tebbit then there is a whole lot of people who have said wonderful things about Islam. Don’t go by what others have said. Those people who say bad things about Islam only do it to hide deficiencies in their own religion. They go by the premise that attack is the best form of Defence. This doesn’t help if you are looking for truth. But it serves your purpose if you are looking for finding faults only.
The Lord of the universe is One, If you are recognising Him then there should be no problem in respecting Him by all His names. If you are daring to use bad language against one name and not another then it is assured you don’t recognize Him at all. You don’t know what He is religion is immaterial.
Tslim Shaikh it continues..
Safiyah had married to her cousin Kinana, who was a young Jewish leader of Kheibar. When Muhammad raided that fortress, he killed its unarmed men and captured the rest. A Jewish traitor, (reminds me of Noam Chomsky) to gain Muhammad’s favor and be spared from death, told him that Kinana was the treasurer of the town and that he used to hide the money in some ruins. Muhammad ordered Kinana to be tortured to reveal the whereabouts of the treasures and killed him.
Then he asked the prettiest woman from amongst that captives to be brought to him. Ibn Ishaq writes: “The apostle occupied the Jewish forts one after the other, taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana, the Khaibar chief, and two female cousins: [sisters of Kinana] the apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims. Bilal brought Safiya to the apostle, and they passed the bodies of several Jews on the way. Safiya’s female companions lamented and strewed dust on their heads. When the apostle of Allâh observed this scene, he said, ‘Remove these she devils from me.‘ But he ordered Safiya to remain, and threw his reda [cloak] over her. So the Muslims knew he had reserved her for his own. The apostle reprimanded Bilal, saying, ‘Hast thou lost all feelings of mercy, to make women pass by the corpses of their husbands?’”
Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: “I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account”. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)
The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his…
Tslim shaikh, if Quran were basis of all invention, the mullahs reciting the holy quram daily would b the greatest scientist. But why do we see the reverse? Why the muslaman ummat are the greatest superstitious people on the earth? Einstein is considered to b the best scientist so far. He was nothing but a jew who was surely the worst creature as per Quran. Why not Zakir Naik considered to b a scientist as he has understood and memorized the whole Quran? Can u answer this? You can mention sum of the great men in islam. But they were anything but practical muslims. I feel proud of Dr. APJ Abul Kalam Azad but ashamed of Zakir Naik. Bcoz the zakir is in my own species.
Spirit, there is excellent website which you shall see and show to others.
http://www.1000mistakes.com/CorrectingRefuting.html
These scholars found 1000 mistakes in so called “HOLY” Quran. After reading these scientific points, Muslims agreed that Quran is bogus book. Some Muslims claimed to have refuted them. The website developers checked those refuting analysis and “उनकी पोल खोल दी!” All the analysis by muslim was proven as White bluff.
There are many scientific theories discovered 100 years ago. It is therefore, obvious that everybody will be knowing their names. Interestingly, Muslims (like Slim Shaikh) know only the names and boast of that much. You can anytime test that these know nothing about the concept. Now, Slim Shaikh will copy paste from some other source just like Quran copy pasted from Satanic Verses. These people don’t have even 1% originality. TRUE MUSLIM IS HE WHO GOES ON THE PATH OF PEACE WITHOUT READING QURAN AT ALL. Quran is revelation NOT by GOD but by Satan. Proof is Satanic Verses.
Pranam brother vedic God is great. Thank u for sharing such a wonderful site. I read sum initial parts of the site. Let the Mullahs refute it. I shall surely go through the site when i get time. Dhanyawad.
प्रणाम भ्राता Spirit ( आत्मा );
That website is just a trailer. The blunders of Quran are well known. Even youtube has videos by science lovers who say that Quran was written by fools. Forget of it being divine revelation, some even challenge Quran being a revelation. I won’t go into much detail. You can read the website anytime and also see what exactly were 1000 mistakes which they found.
Right Now, my focus is on this issue: http://tinyurl.com/7p38gvu Please go through it. Spread the word and educate as many as possible. If you can tell your friends OR agniveer sir to do something about it; please do the same. Dhanyavaad!
I have just to say, that respect each other’s religion. How anybody can dare to say anything wrong without knowing the truth. The results are in front of all this world. Nothing is hidden. Islam is one of the religion from God. Islam is the last religion and Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) the prophet of God. The message of God was completed by revealing Islam. Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) spread Almighty God’s message in such a good manner that it was no need to send any Prophet. Even earlier Prophets of God told about Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). That Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) will come to this world as a final messenger. The Shariat -e- Muhammadi can never be changed as Prophet Muhammed (sws) is the last prophet and no prophet will come after him. Our Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad (sws) has the highest position and rank among all the Prophets.
I just want to say that respect others and earn respect. If you have got any issue with anybody, you can even have a discussion. Try to contact the person and put your statement and listen to him. Kyunki Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas main bair rakhna.
Respected Peace jee,
/// Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas main bair rakhna. ///
Why 89% terrorists are muslims? Why Quran criticizes other texts and says that GOD was cheated despite 1.24 Lac prophets? Why Mohammed told his fellow members to slaughter a kaffir? Why Mohammed slayed Xians / Jews / Pagans (though he borrowed his concept from them)? The above mentioned statement (Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas main bair rakhna) is proved wrong by Muslims only. This is their traditional belief and hence others are affected by that (which is quite obvious).
You are misunderstanding last prophet. The meaning of last prophet is: The final postman who delivered the message of almighty. No other such postman will come in future. So, GOD can be happy that finally world is on the right path (hence requires no further postman). If this be the case, why were tyrants like Hitler born? Xians say that Jesus will come again but that will come when dooms day occurs (no wau 1400 years ago). This means that Jesus will come as last prophet not Mohammed. It concludes that either Christianity is fraud OR Islam is fraud. Please get along with Christians and find out what will happen.
///respect each other’s religion///
That cannot come one way. Can you preach Mohammedan to respect Judaism? Can you make a Christian respect a Mohammedan? Can you deny the history that Mohammedans spread terror wherever they went? Do that and then we will respect each other religion.
‘If the Arabs put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no more Israel’
~Benjamin Netanyahu~
Salim continues….
Tslim Shaikh it continues..
Safiyah had married to her cousin Kinana, who was a young Jewish leader of Kheibar. When Muhammad raided that fortress, he killed its unarmed men and captured the rest. A Jewish traitor, (reminds me of Noam Chomsky) to gain Muhammad’s favor and be spared from death, told him that Kinana was the treasurer of the town and that he used to hide the money in some ruins. Muhammad ordered Kinana to be tortured to reveal the whereabouts of the treasures and killed him.
Then he asked the prettiest woman from amongst that captives to be brought to him. Ibn Ishaq writes: “The apostle occupied the Jewish forts one after the other, taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana, the Khaibar chief, and two female cousins: [sisters of Kinana] the apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims. Bilal brought Safiya to the apostle, and they passed the bodies of several Jews on the way. Safiya’s female companions lamented and strewed dust on their heads. When the apostle of Allâh observed this scene, he said, ‘Remove these she devils from me.‘ But he ordered Safiya to remain, and threw his reda [cloak] over her. So the Muslims knew he had reserved her for his own. The apostle reprimanded Bilal, saying, ‘Hast thou lost all feelings of mercy, to make women pass by the corpses of their husbands?’”
Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: “I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account”. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)
The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying…
@Spirit says:
January 5, 2012 at 8:15 pm :
http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/quran-hadith-prophet-muhammad/safiyya-bint-huyayy-jewish-wife-prophet-muhammad-1941
When Safiya came to the Holy Prophet (pbuh), he said to her; ‘Among the Jews your father did not stop in his enmity towards me until Allah destroyed him.’ She said: ‘O Allah’s Messenger! Indeed Allah says in His book, ‘No one will take anyone else’s burden’. So the Holy Prophet (PBUH) said to her: ‘Make your choice, if you will chose Islam I’ll select you for myself and if you chose Judaism, I’ll set you free and send you to your people.’ She said; ‘O Allah’s Messenger indeed I longed for Islam and testified for you even before you gave me this invitation when I came to you. I have no guardian among the Jews, neither father nor brother and I prefer Islam over disbelief. Allah and His Messenger are dear to me then freedom and to return to my people.” (Ibn Saad 8/123)
before i start, I would like to tell you that I am an atheist and I have been reading about different religions from a long time and I found Vedas most impressive of them all. I am not saying it because I was born in a Hindu family and so I am being partial. I insist again, I am an atheist. and seriously , Polytheism is not as bad as many non Hindus portray it. as per my beliefs, there exists no God so whether you worship one or millions, it would not make any difference. what I am trying to say here is , I have seen many Muslims talking about the miracles of Koran and when asked to mention one, they quickly refer to the “Embryology”.they even tell us how Dr Keith Moore was impressed by the way it was explained in Koran.
Honestly speaking, Garbha Upnishad, written some 2000 years before Koran was revealed, explains Embryology in astonishingly precise manner . and hey, Embryology in Koran is plain bullshit !(sorry I am trying hard to be polite, my bad ! )
it’s not only terribly wrong, but it’s been copied from Greek doctor Galen’s work that happens to have same stupid embryology in it. not to forget, Galen and Aristotle tried to explain it to the world, before Koran was revealed.! and if you get the latest edition of the book by Dr Keith Moore, you’ll know, he is not so impressed with the Koranic embryology anymore.
the main point is, was God bullshitting around with the Prophet that he revealed stupidity in the name of Embryology or the “God” was himself not perfect and could not explain what he blessed women with?
try harder mate, it’s not rocket science !
Brother Aikant
I fully agree. Best of science existed in Indian books. West knows nothing but only copying. For example, In Sulabh Sutra; Baudhayana says that diagonal of a rectangle makes the square which vertical & horizontal sides make together (with proof). The point to be nooted here is that rectangle is a quadrilateral having all angles of 90 degrees. So, the 2 triangles obtained after dividing it (by making the diagonal) are right angled triangles. Baudhayana’s great works are explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudhayana
3 centuries after him, a man in Greece named as Pythagoras copied that work and stated without proof. Alas! Baudhayana’s works are called as Pythagoras theorem.
In Vaisheshik Sutra, Kanad postulated all atomic philosophies which are far better than Democritus and Leucippus. He also described what we call today as “Archimedes Principle”. In 650 BCE predating Archimedes by 4 centuries. The number system which we use is wrongly said as Arabic Numerals. Ram Setu is given wrong name of Adam Bridge. See, how the other world is full of thieves.
In ancient times (corresponding to 2000 BCE or even earlier than that) – the 3 words are used.
यंत्र
— machine / instruments
विमान
— aircraft
परायान — spacecraft
These were the achievements by ancient Indians. These concepts came to Europe a thousand year later. The longest Indian number is Mahaugha i.e., 10^63; the cube of western longest number. India never believed in publicity. Most important is that Brahmastra is no less than any atom bomb (Read Dhanurveda, Mahabharata and Valmiki Ramayana). This was knowledge of ancient India. It was hidden to avoid misuse. So, today an Indian does not knows what is his ancestral knowledge.
Continuing,
Side real day (पक्षवात दिवा) as per Aryabhata = 23 hours 56 minutes 4.1 seconds
As per west (discovered 13 centuries later) = 23 hours 56 minutes 4.091 seconds
Value of pi as per Aryabhata = 3.1416 approx
As per west (discovered 5 centuries later) = 3.141592653 …
Time taken by Earth to complete 1 revolution as per Bhaskara = 365.258756484 days
As per west (discovered 7 century later) = 365.2595781 days
Speed of light as per Sayanacharya = 2202 yojanas in half a Nimesha = 187670.4545 mile / s approx.
As per West (discovered 6 centuries later) = 299792458 m/s = 186282.397 mile / s
Aryabhata gave heliocentric model => Copernicus is a fraud. Brahmagupta gave gravitation => Newton is a thief. To hide their weakness, western world says that Vasco Da Gama discovered India. This is false as Vasco Da Gama had Indian sailors with him. Indian smallest unit of time = 0.000029411765 seconds which is square root of Western Value. The largest unit of time = 4.32 billion years. All scientific theories (including plastic surgery and rhinoplasty) have Indian origins. What modern scientists are doing is mere re discovery
Now, the question arises – WHY THE HELL ARE WE MODERN ???
“There can no longer be any real doubt that both Islam and Christianity owe the foundations of both their mystical and their scientific achievements to Indian initiatives.”
- Philip Rawson (British Orientalist)
Sorry! error correction.
Indian smallest unit of time = 0.000029411765 seconds which is cube of the western value. Western smallest unit of time is just 0.030868 seconds. While Indian instruments were calibrated to the accuracy of 5 decimal places, west can only measure upto 2. Unfortunately! such instruments (including world’s oldest university) Takshashila was destroyed by cruel invaders. While the other cultures are combined to only their community or neighborhood (max to max a country) Indian philosophy speaks about: वसुधैव कुटुम्बकं । No other religion can be so great.
“After my study of 40 years of all great religions, I find none so perfect, none so scientific, none so spiritual, none so liberal as the great religion called as Hinduism.”
- Annie Wood Beasant (from British Theosophical society)
Brother Aikant, pranam. It doesnt matter whether u r theist or n atheist. At d end of da day its u who have to make da choice. But I liked u for respecting Vedas. Dhanyawad
http://kalchiron.blogspot.com/2009/12/interesting-verse-from-agastya-samhita.html
Agastya Samhita and electrical cell construction.
The oldest yet the best.
When a cell was prepared according to Agastya Samhita and measured, it gives open circuit voltage as 1.138 volts, and short circuit current as 23 mA
Most importantly it discusses
अनेन जलभंगोस्ति प्राणोदानेषु वायुषु।
एवम् शतानाम् कुंभानाम् संयोगः कार्यकृत्स्मृतः ॥
अर्थात जल भंग करके उसको प्राणवायु तथा उदानवायु में विभाजित किया जा सकता है। यह कार्य 100 कुम्भो के संयोग से हो सकता है।
This is nothing but Chemical reaction:
2H2 + O2 = 2H2O
वायु बंधक वस्त्रेण निबद्धो यंमस्तके l
उदान: स्वलघुत्वे बिभर्त्याकाश यानकम ll
अर्थात वायुबन्धक वस्त्र के द्वारा बान्धने पर उदान वायु अपनी स्वलघुता के कारण आकाश में उडती है।
This is primary concept of origin of hydrogen balloon.
If Sanskrit is made accessible in our education system, the gap between created and the creator can be bridged out. If anybody has ability to do so, please do this and eliminate this dilemma.
Dhanyavaad.
http://kalchiron.blogspot.com/2009/12/interesting-verse-from-agastya-samhita.html
Agastya Samhita and electrical cell construction.
The oldest yet the best.
When a cell was prepared according to Agastya Samhita and measured, it gives open circuit voltage as 1.138 volts, and short circuit current as 23 mA
Most importantly it discusses
अनेन जलभंगोस्ति प्राणोदानेषु वायुषु।
एवम् शतानाम् कुंभानाम् संयोगः कार्यकृत्स्मृतः ॥
अर्थात जल भंग करके उसको प्राणवायु तथा उदानवायु में विभाजित किया जा सकता है। यह कार्य 100 कुम्भो के संयोग से हो सकता है।
This is nothing but Chemical reaction:
2H2 + O2 = 2H2O
वायु बंधक वस्त्रेण निबद्धो यंमस्तके l
उदान: स्वलघुत्वे बिभर्त्याकाश यानकम ll
अर्थात वायुबन्धक वस्त्र के द्वारा बान्धने पर उदान वायु अपनी स्वलघुता के कारण आकाश में उडती है।
This is primary concept of origin of hydrogen balloon.
If Sanskrit is made accessible in our education system, the gap between created and the creator can be bridged out. If anybody has ability to do so, please do this and eliminate the dilemma.
Dhanyavaad.
http://www.mediafire.com/?qizx86uv5jc5yxb
Must see – Vedic Mathematics. The simplest – the easiest – the best
Seemingly impossible questions solved within minutes.
We need a collective mindset as Hindus to stand against the Islamic terrorist. The Muslims of India can join us if they genuinely feel for the Hindu. That they do I will not believe unless they acknowledge with pride that though they may be Muslims, their ancestors were Hindus. If any Muslim acknowledges his or her Hindu legacy, then we Hindus can accept him or her as a part of the Brihad Hindu Samaj (greater Hindu society) which is Hindustan. India that is Bharat that is Hindustan is a nation of Hindus and others whose ancestors were Hindus. Others, who refuse to acknowledge this, or those foreigners who become Indian citizens by registration, can remain in India but should not have voting rights (which means they cannot be elected representatives).
I agree with you. We need to fight against terrorism. Let’s stand against all the terrorists – not only Islam in particular. All those who genuinely want to do so for the Aryavart (Bhaarat – the ancient India) can join us provided their satisfy the criteria mentioned above. This is very much needed. Please provide some direction – what to do and how to do? Thank you …
The former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said — I quote: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”.
* Yunis al-Astal, a Hamas cleric and member of the Palestinian Parliament said — I quote: “Very soon Rome will be conquered.”
* Ali Al-Faqir, the former Jordanian Minister of Religion, stated that — I quote: “Islam will conquer Rome.”
* Sheikh Muhammad al-Arifi, imam of the mosque of the Saudi Defence Academy, said — I quote: “We will control Rome and introduce Islam in it.”
In a 1974 speech to the UN, the Algerian President Houari Boumédienne, said — I quote: “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” End of quote.
* Libyan dictator Kadhafi said, I quote: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent.” End of quote.
“It’s either nuclear weapons or islam. We have to choose. Without nuclear weapons islam will never be wiped out …and by wiped out i mean WIPED OUT !!! Only AFTER islam is WIPED OUT can we even think of a nuclear weapon free world. Look around you at these monkeys … can’t you see where they are taking us as a species ? islam is leading the planet to a non- stop blood bath …slowly and surely …and without nuclear weapons islam’s march will never be stopped.
Someone has to start bombing the monkeys sometime …. i have a feeling that China will be the first to bite back on islam’s arse. …. then free for all….. we live in interesting times…. our generation will see the death of islam….but how it will happen will be worth watching. Intelligence has a way of waking up and crushing the moronic , however vicious and barbaric. The thing to actually wonder is how Mecca and Medina will be pulverized. How will we do it ? And which year? That will be the exact beginning of a new era of peace.
i have a feeling somewhere around some table some people in high and right places are looking at this solution. And i have a feeling they compromise a lot of different people from all over the globe. Intelligence is Good. Intelligence is Cool. islam is neither. Hence islam will literally dissolve. Without mecca and medina there is no islam.
After islam is Irradicated we can think about nuclear disarmamment and all things peacefull and noble. Till then we have to wait . We have to. There is no option.”
Proof: http://satanstrinity.wordpress.com/order-satans-trinity/
If you have guts, refute that book. HAHAHA.
Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Mohammed: These 3 are Satan’s trinity.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN
Why Do you believe Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) Was a shaitan? Please share your thoughts with me. I will clarify to you regarding your misconception about Prophet. Please give me a chance. Please let me know whats wrong you find in prophet Character?
OK.
I just got this: http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/book-review/book-review-“satan’s-trinity-hitler-stalin-and-muhammad”/
Brother, don’t clarify to me. bcoz there are many people who believe in this book so, clarify with the book writer (Mr. C. H. Martel) directly. Thanks
OK.
I just got this: http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/book-review/book-review-“satan’s-trinity-hitler-stalin-and-muhammad”/
Brother, don’t clarify to me. bcoz there are many people who believe in this book so, clarify with the book writer (Mr. C. H. Martel) directly. Thanks
OK.
I just got this: http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/book-review/book-review-“satan’s-trinity-hitler-stalin-and-muhammad”/
I would recommend that you purchase & read the book at least once. This would help you in clarifying the concept. And Brother, don’t clarify to me. bcoz there are many people who believe in this book so, clarify with the book writer (Mr. C. H. Martel) directly. Thanks
@MOHAMMED = SATAN
Brother As far as content of link you are referring to me is true to “some extant”. But understanding of writer is not sincere & have no base. We need to understand the circumstances & compulsion to understand Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) marriage with a girl of 6 years old & consuming her at her 9th years, sex with slaves, marriage with an old women etc. You are looking just one side of face not other. You need to understand & for this you need go to in flash back memories of 7th century in which Mohammed(PBUH) did all this. For Instance: In wars with non-believers many males or husbands of girls were killed. In there absence who would have protected their ladies? Ladies might have got in prostitution. But MOhamad gave the all ladies shelter. But ladies also have heart who will pacify their sexual desires? If prophet would not have sex with them they (ladies) might have adopted propositions. YOu need to understand this with sincere mind & circumstances of that era.
Sri Sri Ravishanker’s Powerfull slap on Zakir Naik’s Face
हाहाहा !
ज़ाकिर नाइक उसी के लायक है। संयुक्त राज्य में उसे प्रवेश की अनुमति नही – हम ही है जो ऐसे आस्तीन के साँप को पालते है। कुछ करना पडेगा और ज़ाकिर जैसे आतंकवादियो से निपटना पडेगा ।
To all Momin brothers and sisters and Salim Shaikh,
Enjoy the dog is converting to Islam
Must watch this. This will increase your sowab. You are advised to make an international doghood with all dogs
WOW! Nice video — Islam is fastest growing religion. Among Dogs!
@Spirit
Dog video is another proof Islam is true religion. Kaffirs are worsened than Dogs who do not understand this. You should learn lesson from Dog.
http://agniveer.com/479/prophet-puran/#comment-68020
Slim Shaikh,
Dog video is another proof Islam is true religion. Kaffirs are worsened than Dogs who do not understand this. You should learn lesson from Dog.
You should be ashamed even dogs proved that they are real momins as they showed signs!!!!!!!!!! But you are not that kind of m0min. You were unable to show any signs (!!!!!!!)
. No problem dear. We will meet in judgement day. I shall be sitting in the next seat of Muhammad. I shall take part in intercession……………. See you there……buddy
@Spirit
Do not worry you cant meet me in heaven. Only Muslim will go in heaven not kaffirs & you are kaffir or non-believer. If you try to understand all animals & birds recite Allah name. But Kaffirs like you can not listen & understand their languages. Even scientist are stunned cow also recited Allah name on the occasion of Bakra-EID.
Don’t worry Spirit brother,
Don’t take Slim Shaikh seriously, it is definitely true that Allah forgot to put brain when he created Slim Shaikh or told Satan to create Slim Shaikh. No other 3rd option can result in this Slim Shaikh. We don’t have to worry at all. Father of Atom Bomb Julius Robert Oppenheimer would be in hell with us since he was a kaffir. He will tell him to make 3 atom bombs. One for False prophet Mohammed, One for false heaven Jannat and third one for false GOD – Allah. After he destroys the 3 as mentioned; we will use architect champions (Ancient India & Greece was full of them & co – incidentally none were Muslims) and tell them to make some good item out of this hell. We believe in our guts & we are genuinely hardworking UNLIKE Mohammedans who are plain thieves. We would make hell a better place and then Muslims like Slim Shaikh and his family will feel jealous and would desire to stay in hell. WOW! Slim Shaikh himself elaborated all the loopholes in his beliefs.
agniveer.com = gagniveer.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdeaHcRTsyk
ANSWER TO STUPID VIDEOS BY MUSLIMS / CHRISTIANS DEPICTING HINDU CONVERSIONS. FUNNY BUT TRUE.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 8, 2012 at 11:45 am
Bro you stop attacking Islam and try to show it in bad light and muslims will stop showing you why some of your own people are not thinking the same.
Atoze Sister,
You always come up with funniest logics. Let me tell you some facts. Humans are sinned (Even your books believe in same). Humans are highly greedy & highly selfish.
Now, if I take a sword and put on your forehead – Accept Atheism or die. You would be forced to accept Atheism. Suppose I give you 1 billion rupees to say in public: “Atheism is the only truth. Other religions are hoax.” Bcoz of greed, you will do it.
Rule remains same – give money to bluff (I converted to Islam – I like it – BLAH BLAH BLAH). Then show that video publicly. Use sword to stop your lie from getting exposed.
It is really gr8 if you think that you are very intelligent but it is non sense to conclude that others are fools. I am not a fool & hence I understand such conspiracies much better than you do. I am not interested to discuss any comment on Islam (if owls cannot see during day time, he will abuse the Sun. ~ly, Muslims will abuse Non Muslims if they are afraid of truth. There are many anti – Islamic websites which cannot be refuted by Muslims. So, they banned them in Islamic countries —> Islam is so susceptible to accusations.) but I am only stopping people like you from doing business as mentioned above. Go, sister – youtube out — WHY I LEFT ISLAM? Watch them yourself to know true Islam.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm
purani baaton ko toh verify nahi kiya ja sakta kyon ki woh sirif ilzaam bhi ho sakte hain. Lekin aap batayein inko koon gun ya sword dikhayega !
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm
In logoon ko kaun bribe karega !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73dRO5urzo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70hWc5J73FI&feature=fvsr
Mohammed=Satan
leave these Muslims what they are speaking, it is loss of energy and time with these people, you give numerous proof they will reject it, so we know about our mother religion Hinduism due to which our country India became famous,it is the lanc where civilisations,mathematics,science,medicines,democracy and other inventions arises, many westerners have praised our Sanatan Dharma,
see this
http://www.hinduwisdom.info
better we should follow our mother religion leave out these people with their cult.
And don’t forget this one.
VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says:
January 8, 2012 at 9:35 pm
bro your name speaks volumes about yourself. You have divided God into Vedic God, Christian God, Muslim God, Abrahaminic God. Jab Ishwar ko hi baant diya to insaan ka kya karoge ! There is only One God Who is Great. Allahu Akbar !
I read some text about cosmology and aviation science given in the vedas after seeing the above reference. It may seem impressive but there must be some corroboration also.
Someone told me as a joke that in the Indus valley civilization they had wireless communication since on excavation they found no wires over there. Now jokes apart. The period about which descripton is made that there was stealth technology during vedic period and that there were aircraft being used during those times ! well there is no evidence in history that metallurgy was anywhere developed during that time. ( we can see that dinosaurs existed )
Well if you see Dewali time, corresponding to the time when Sri Ram returned from Lanka it is the peak time for all kinds of magic to be practised. Astrology favours magic at that time. Magic is all about stealth. Allah has said that magic was brought to earth by Angels but Allah has prohibited the use of Magic and has said that you should not try to gain by stealth. It is true that the Jinns ( who are good and bad both ) are so powerful that when they help man he can fly sitting inside an object, they are so powerful that they can even lift mountains ( I’m not directly saying to anyone well konwn to have done that ). There is no denying that parts of vedas are Divine. The problem is that Islam does not permit Idolatory. Even Vedas prohibit Idolatory yet Sanatan dharma accepts it. God is not ready to compromise on it. The Abrahamanic religions are not ready to deviate from it.
If All the Jinns and men get together they cannot even create a fly. With all the Neocortex that man has he is not fast enough to easily catch a fly with his hand. If the Aryans were so scientific then how come they accepted that an…
Atoze Sister,
you better don’t discuss Indian science. People like you know nothing about science. Achchha yahi hogaa ki apni gandi jabaan se Sanaatan Dharma kaa naam na lo. Sanaatan Dharma is proven true by all scientists. Example – Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan, Fritjof Capra, Erwin Schroedinger, Werner Heisenberg, Elba Wheeler Wilcox, Julius Robert Oppenheimer, Homi Bhabhaa, Dr. C. V. Raman, Nichola Tesla, Arthur Schopenhauer, Jean Syllvian Belly, Francois Voltaire. Regarding you, you are jealous just because your Islam is hated by almost all great minds. (I know that you will refute me but that won’t change the truth.) I believe in GOD but my GOD is of Vedas. NOT quran NOT bible NOT abrahamic because they fight with each other. GOD is divided by you Abrahamics only who say that: Jews and Christians GODs are idiots (Muslim say that) – that’s why Christian churches were torn by Muslims only. Christians including Nazis & Muslims are responsible for Israel holocaust. When Mohammed Ghauri came to India, he destroyed Indian universities like Takshashila & burnt its books – YOU MUSLIMS ARE THREAT UPON HUMANITY. When Aluddin Khilji came, many woman burnt themselves bcoz they did not wanted to goto his cruel hands. This was so called SATI pratha. The fact is YOU MUSLIMS ARE BIGGEST CORRUPTORS OF RELIGION. GOD was insulted by Abrahamics – Bible called him jealous — Read 2nd commandment. You called him Jinn. You say that this website spreads hatred about Islam – the bitter truth is that you invaders deserve all that. I am not interested in replying to you further bcoz you are only interested in promoting falsehood under name of truth. And regarding me, I will answer directly to GOD – you better don’t come in between. You don’t have to. Don’t tell me fake stories. Let the Universe convert to Islam – I won’t. See you at judgement day. Bye …
To the Agniveer and his teams some quotes from Muslims on India and its culture
Yaqubi (9th century) Muslim historian has written:
“The Hindus are superior to all other nations in intelligence and thoughtfulness. They are more exact in astronomy and astrology than any other people.
“The Siddhanta is a good proof of their intellectual powers; by this book the Greeks and Persians have also profited. In medicine their opinion ranks first.”
Al-Jahiz 9th century Muslim historian writes:
“The Hindus excel in astrology, mathematics, medicine and in various other sciences. They have developed to a perfection arts like sculpture, painting, and architecture. They have collections of poetry, philosophy, literature and science of morals. From India we received the book called Kalilah wa Dimnah. These people have judgment and are brave. They posses the virtues of cleanliness and purity. Contemplation has originated with them.”
(source: The Vision of India – By Sisirkumar Mitra p. 226).
The medieval Arab scholar Sa’id Ibn Ahmad al-Andalusi (1029-1070) wrote in his Tabaqat al-’umam, one of the earliest books on history of sciences:
“The first nation to have cultivated science is India. … India is known for the wisdom of its people. Over many centuries, all the kings of the past have recognized the ability of the Indians in all the branches of knowledge… The kings of China have stated that the kings of the world are five in number and all the people of the world are their subjects. They mentioned the king of China, the king of India, the king of the Turks, the king of the Persians, and the king of the Romans… They referred to the king of India as the “king of wisdom” because of the Indians’ careful treatment of ulum (sciences) and all the branches of knowledge. … The Indians, known to all nations for many centuries, are the metal (essence) of wisdom, the source of fairness and objectivity. They are people of sublime pensiveness, universal apologues, and useful and rare inventions. … To their…
Arabic poet Livi writes,
“Blessed land of Hind, thou art worthy of reverence, for in thee has GOD revealed true knowledge of Himself. What a pure light do these four revealed books afford to our mind’s eyes like the charming and cool lustre of the dawn ! These four GOD revealed upon His prophets (Rishis) in Hind. Those treasuries are the Sama and Yajur which GOD has preached. O my brothers, revere these, for they all tell us the good news of salvation. The next two of these four, the Rig and the Atharva, teach us lessons of universal brotherhood. These two Vedas are the beacons that warn us to turn towards that goal (universal brotherhood).”
Muslim Historian Wassaf Abdulla writes
“India, according to the concurrent opinion of all writers, is the most agreeable abode on earth and the most pleasant quarter of the world. Its dust is purer than air and its air is purer than purity itself.”
Arabic Hassan Al Qifti says
“Among those parts of their sciences which came to us, the numerical calculation….it is the swiftest and most complete method of calculation, the easiest to understand and the simplest to learn; it bears witness to the Indians’ piercing intellect, fine creativity and their superior understanding and inventive genius.”
Famous writer Rele has mentioned
Our present knowledge of the nervous system fits in so accurately with the internal description of the human body given in the Vedas. Then the question arises whether the Vedas are really religious books or books on anatomy of the nervous system and medicine.
4th Caliph Ali Bin Abi Talib mentioned about India as:
The land where books were first written and from where wisdom and knowledge sprang is India.”
Another Caliph Umar quotes:
I don’t believe in attacking India though it is true that Indian rivers are pearls, her mountains rubies, her trees perfumes because India is the only country of complete freedom of thought and belief where Muslims and others were free to practice their faith.
Indian Muslim Aliama Iqbal says:
Ancient civilizations of Greece, Egypt and Rome have all disappeared from this world, but the elements of Indian civilization still continue. Although world-events have been inimical to Hindu for centuries, there is something in Hindu civilization which has withstood these onslaughts.
M J Akbar – A Muslim journalist quoted that
If Hinduism has a defining message, then it is humanism. There is space in its philosophy for everyone, which is one reason why India is a home to every single religion in the world. Anyone who has been persecuted anywhere else has found an undisturbed heaven in India. This remained true even when men distorted the philosophy of Hinduism and introduced the inequities of caste: The attitude of Hinduism to other faiths continued to be liberal. Hinduism is synonymous with humanism. That is its essence and its great liberating quality.
This proves that most of the ancient Arabic scholars respected India & nowadays Muslims insult India – definitely, they are insulting their own forefathers.
. True Islam is actually following Sanaatan Dharma & all those who disagree with this insult their ancestors. 
Pranam Brother Vedic God is Great. The cause of This Slim Shaikh persisting in quran is that he got lure of endless flow of alcohol, 72 virgins in the heaven. Bro Slim Shaikh, if alcohol and brothel are forbidden in here why allah made those as reward?? Can u answer this simple question? Afterwards, just imagine u died as a m0min and got 72 virgins in heaven. Will that not be a mental sick for your momin children that their father is enjoying 72 houris??! Brother why are u being gulliable? Man is falliable. No problem there. But persisting in falsehood is not right. U shud apply ur freethinking. Dhanyawad
Dear KalBhairav,
“There is no need of regular prophets from time to time which the latest prophet being more correct than the previous prophet.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself. The Dharmic belief perspective of the world is vastly different than the weak and false perspective the abrahamic view. Dharmic view is more universal. Unlike the abrahmic people who believe in prophets while the Dharmic people believe in Rishis. The clear difference is prophets are history centric while Rishis are not. This probably is the hardest thing for abrahmic people to understand. And that is why you have so called scholars, but I call them weirdios and fools from the abrahmic side that mistranslate Sanskrit words because they don’t understand the actual meaning behind the words.
Most people know that prophet is someone who comes that one time a long freekin time ago with a so called message of god and that becomes the word. No else can be that prophet except that particular person. More important, no one else can experience the same thing that so called prophet experience. Good example would be, if a so called prophet made a fantastic claim like, I received the word of god and it will be delivered to me by this fairy/angel for a length of twenty years and I will put it in a book and everyone must believe it because it is the message of god, people must believe in this fairy tail. There is no way for them to check it out for themselves. This so called prophet does not teach other people how to receive this same message through an angel as well. Because it is limited to the prophet. Making the prophet concept a very limited and unverifiable concept.
With the Rishi concept, which is the Dharmic view of everything is much different. If there is a fantastic claim that a Rishi makes, he or she knows it all comes down to experience. What that Rishi experienced must be re-experienced by others so it maybe proved for every single individual. If a Rishi claims that he or she received a message from a fairy or…
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With the Rishi concept, which is the Dharmic view of everything is much different. If there is a fantastic claim that a Rishi makes, he or she knows it all comes down to experience. What that Rishi experienced must be re-experienced by others so it maybe proved for every single individual. If a Rishi claims that he or she received a message from a fairy or angel, than he will show all his followers how to reproduce that same experience. This also goes for the Vedas. Depending on which Hindu group you ask, it was produced by at least four different Rishis. Some might say many more. That means the ideas in the Vedas were reproduced by different people who experienced the same thing and it was verifiable. And again it depends on which group of Hindus you ask this too. But many Hindus do believe there is no such thing as the word of god. Only the inspired word of God. For God does not talk to man, but God only inspires man. That is key point to understand. And that is the Dharmic way to look at things.
Another good example from another Dharmic brother is Buddha. The word Buddha means awakened. And Buddha points out that there were many Buddha before me and will be many Buddhas after me. What I have achieved and experience has been experienced by many many before me and will be experience after me. The difference is, the abrhamic view is exclusive while the Dharmic experience is inclusive when it comes to the experience of major characters of the faith. And this is probably the most important thing that most abrahamic religions do not understand about Dharmic religions. Many followers of the abrhamic view are caught up so much in history centrism and arguments with historical proofs and ect, but forget the ultimate proof is for us to experience the the same thing the person claiming to make extraordinary achievements and experiences is making. If we can’t experience the same thing and that means to receive the so called word of god for ourselves so we can independently check it for ourselves then…
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Another good example from another Dharmic brother is Buddha. The word Buddha means awakened. And Buddha points out that there were many Buddha before me and will be many Buddhas after me. What I have achieved and experience has been experienced by many many before me and will be experience after me. The difference is, the abrhamic view is exclusive while the Dharmic experience is inclusive when it comes to the experience of major characters of the faith. And this is probably the most important thing that most abrahamic religions do not understand about Dharmic religions. Many followers of the abrhamic view are caught up so much in history centrism and arguments with historical proofs and ect, but forget the ultimate proof is for us to experience the the same thing the person claiming to make extraordinary achievements and experiences is making. If we can’t experience the same thing and that means to receive the so called word of god for ourselves so we can independently check it for ourselves then the so called prophets are bullshit. That is why I go with the Rishi view of the world. At least there is a chance for me to be inspired by God myself and independently check the experience myself and see if the Rishis are telling the truth. And in ancient India that Rishis encouraged that. Even Buddha, who was a great Rishi, encouraged his followers to do the same thing. Experience it for yourself brothers and sisters. That is the only truth that can be.
To all my abrahmic brothers and sisters, ask yourself this, can you still follow your faiths if you removed the history from you faith. I mean everything. Better way to put it, can you be a good christian without jesus and reach god. Can you be a good muslim with out mohammed and still reach god. This is very important thing to keep in mind. Because in the Dharmic tradition we remove all the history and historical figures and still reach God. It is the methods and techniques that are important. Not the historical characters of our faith. We can remove…
To all my abrahmic brothers and sisters, ask yourself this, can you still follow your faiths if you removed the history from you faith. I mean everything. Better way to put it, can you be a good christian without jesus and reach god. Can you be a good muslim with out mohammed and still reach god. This is very important thing to keep in mind. Because in the Dharmic tradition we remove all the history and historical figures and still reach God. It is the methods and techniques that are important. Not the historical characters of our faith. We can remove Krishna and Rama and still achieve God. That is the power of Dharam.
Dhanyavad,
Krishna
@ Krishna says:
January 10, 2012 at 3:23 am
Bro, If that was a joke it was a pj ( poor joke ). It is just the opposite of what you said. Like you need idols of Ram and Krishna to conceptualize God. At least muslims don’t need any idols . They prey to God directly and answerable to Him directly. There is nothing between Allah and His servants. Not even his messengers ! Allah is closer to His servants then their jugular vein is to them !
@VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says:
January 8, 2012 at 9:35 pm
contd…
If the Aryans were so scientific then how come they accepted that an Elephants head can be put on a human Head ! Human immune system will never allow it. Why shivji not put back the original head of the child. God can bring back the dead to life. Head lagana to banta hi tha
What was the need for sanjivini for Sri Ram. Even jesus Christ could bring dead to life by Gods leave. Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jeelani (Dargah at Baghdaad )did it to show power of Allah. Many zorastrians accepted Islam on seeing it.
To illustrate to you what magic is worth I will give you an example. There was a saint Hazrat khwaja Moinuddin Chisti ( Khwaja Gharib Nawaz (R.A.) of Ajmer ), when he came to India Privthviraj Chauhan sent a magician by name of Jaipal to chase him away. This was necessary as Khawaja Gharib nawaz had developed a large fan following because he was doing miracles. So prithviraj thought he was some sort of Magician. Jaipal came upto Khwaja Gharib nawaz (R.A.) and he flew into the sky and from there he started throwing burning arrows towards Khwaja Gharib nawaz (R.A.) (somewhat like used in lanka against ravan).The disciples of Khwaja Gharib nawaz (R.A.) felt afraid. Khwaja Gharib nawaz (R.A.) told them to stay calm then he commanded his sandal ( khadaon ! ) to go and bring jaipal down. Khwaja Gharib nawaz (R.A.) sandal started hammering jaipal down until he came and fell at the feet of Khwaja Gharib nawaz (R.A.). He then stared asking for pardon. Jaipal asked for Khwaja Gharib nawaz (R.A.) to make him his disciple and said that he be made into Islamic fold. He then became known as Abd’Allah Biyabani. He beacame a staunch follower of Khwaja Gharib nawaz (R.A.).
It appears that magic at some time became part of Vedic Dharma. It is difficult to say how much original Divine text is there in Sanatan Dharma which was sent by God . All the arial travel mode attributed to Vedic period appears to be with the help of magic and its helpers.
Atoze sister, you only believe in imaginary stories. Good work – leave this website and go to a printing press and write books on fiction. Would be best selling. No one can beat you in terms of plain imagination. One should learn from you – how to convert truth to falsehood. I can refute your each word but such debate (obviously to prove pseudo victory) is characteristic of you Muslim only. Therefore, I leave you on your fate. Muslims tell a lie that Islam is fastest growing religion. HAHAHA – best joke. Anyways, I am not interested in talking to u at all. Find some better work to do rather than converting a Vedic follower. Your all attempts will remain futile. I challenge Allah to convert me. Even Allah failed – forgot of others. Muslim nations suffer from too much earthquake – Allah hates Islam. See you at day of judgement. Good Bye.
Atoze
Flying donkey,shooting stars,72 virgins ,wheeping stones ,talking ants ,splitting moon are scientific facts of Islam and how many intellectual scientists have praised these non-sense.Zoroastrians were became muslims by miracles a laughable statement , while none of iranian has claimed this idiotic story rather Iranians admit that their ancestors were forcifully converted and nowadays many Iranians are slowly embrassing their mother religion.There is no proof of this garib nawaz’s miracle, it is the fake propagonda by the muslims to spread lies.Only in India where astronomy,medicine ,mathematics,democracy and civilisation arises first .
@Prithvi
Why are u bringing 72 virgins again & again in discussion? Its true fact whoever worships Allah & do Namaj all five times will be awarded virgins by Allah. & If you hate virgin you ought to not marry with a virgin girl. You can choose harlot/call girl as your wife.
first you should think logically and come out from superstition, the way you people are talking as finding errors in other religions but saying your religion is best, this website is to refute the rubbish claims on vedas and Indian religion.
@Slim Shaikh : So you agreed that people do namaz and all that is done in the name of Islam so that Allah grants them with virgins after Death( to enjoy bodily pleasures)
@GOD IS GREAT says:
January 10, 2012 at 9:29 pm
arre abhi toh shurru kiya tha ! Abhi toh lambi list thi … sanatan dharm ke barey mein points clear karne thae…. Aap wapas laney ke baat keh rahe thae !
Koi nahi jaane dijiye… aap nahi sunna chahte,
When computers can communicate with Dolphins ! why ants cannot communicate with one another ?
@Atoze : As per the surah 27:18 , how did the ants understand it was “solomon and his armies” that would crush them?
@Aryavratasth says:
January 12, 2012 at 10:39 am:-
bro you asked very good question. You see that it is the human beings whose vision is limited. They are under trial, they have to recognize an unseen God. They cannot see a lot of things that are happening. We cannot see angels, jinns, yet they are there. The animals who are not under trial (to recongnize and unseen God) can see everything and constantly thank their Lord. Sulaiman/Solomon who was son of Prophet Daud, was endued with extraordinary powers, the jinns were made slaves to his command. His entourage was for all to see. Must have been massive with an army of jinns and men accompanying him. The men were unaware of the large number of jinns accompanying him. That is probably that is being emphasized. Ek sentence read karke uski depth ka andaza jab hi lag sakta hai jab reference to context dekhein. The place of worship of Solomon, where the old kaaba and rock dome mosque are, was made after cutting away a mountain and was made by jinns. It was a massive massive structure. So Solomon had prayed to Allah that he be given so much riches and power that after him no prophet would have as much. Allah had granted that.
No use questioning Allah, Insaan sirf itna hi jaanta hai universe ke baare mein jitna Allah ne bataya. Kya haseyat hai duniya ke universe mein ?
Satan’s own beloved daughter Atoze!
Leave them all & talk to me. I understand your problems. See – as far as truth is concerned – Many Muslims were found doing scientific innovations – they had excellent technological advancements which could have changed the world – they were highly capable to do that innovation – The R&D by those Muslims were much sophisticated by even USA. Up till now, Muslims have developed 1 billion quantity of that innovative product. Can anybody guess – what was the product? OK – to clear out confusions, it is known as a BOMB. Muslims know billion innovations that can be done with a bomb. This is how Satan followers advance. OK – to give them some credit — type of bomb does not matter — It is the idea which matters — After all, a bomb is an innovation which ends up every other innovation.
Humans have brain which can do wonderful things – they can have scientific discoveries & can have such innovations as well. It is expected from a Mohammedan to use brain in wrong direction. PROOF: The brain can do 3 things:
A> Use science for benefit (Which Muslims done that – ??????? Rarely any Muslim scientist known till date)
B> Use science to destroy i.e., Atom Bomb (89% Muslim practice that)
C> Do nothing (Empty mind is workshop of devil)
So, this is the problem with Atoze! She belongs to that cult which is mother to at least 89% terrorists – Strange but true. I understand the mentality she is having by defending her faith. Don’t worry – if you are a human, I am with you & if you too are a terrorist – Satan is with you. Enjoy!!!
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm
@Krishna says:
January 10, 2012 at 3:22 amTo all my abrahmic brothers and sisters, ask yourself this, can you still follow your faiths if you removed the history from you faith.:-
bro you call Islam, Christianity, and judaism Abrahaminic religions ! Pehle apni dharam ke baare mein poorey jaankari karein. Yeh baat bhi aati hai ke kya Allah ne Hindus ke paas prophets kyon nahi bheeje agar 1,25000. prophets aaye hain ? Sirf Mohammad ka zikr kyon kiya bhavishya puran mein. Arre Height of Ignorance !
Prahlaads and Holika ke story exactly matches that of Prophet Abrahim . What Prophet Abrahim had to go through. Prahlad called upon Vishnu to save him. ( See also, the name of Prophet Mohammads (May Allah send His blessings on him ) father given in Hindu scriptures is Vishnu Bhagat, Prophet Mohammad (May Allah send His blessings on him ) fathers name was Abdullah ! )
Manu ke story match karte hai prophet Noah ke story se. The story of the Great flood. Manu talked to a fish ! It was to show the truth about the coming of a great flood. To counter the caste system in vedic religion Quran specifically mentions that manu was surrounded by poor and menial people. In a way opposing what caste system is attributed to Manu. In fact there were ten people by the name of Manu in succession. Caste system was started by last manu. Caste system is central to Hindu religion ! Islam tells the truth about manu. Caste system is a later invention. Aap to bena jaankari ke burai karna chahte ho Islam aur Quran ke aided by some other people who want you remain in ignorance. who want to make use of you !
Thank you Atoze sister for this great information.
You have proved that Abrahamic religions copied their concepts from ancient Indian books. Now, Quran was written in 6th century. Indian books were written much before that. Nowhere Quran discusses about Indian revelation. Your books don’t acknowledge the source. In 1900 BCE, your first book Torah was revealed by Allah. Yet it has copied facts from Vedas written way before that. Please read Bhavishya Puran in detail first. Not only Quran but also Bible is copied from it. Proof::: http://nitaaiveda.com/All_Scriptures_By_Acharyas/Puranas/Bhavishya_Purana_-_Bible.htm
You have proved who actually your GOD is… Ancient Indians were such champions that your GOD has to copy its revelations from them. (I am not discriminating GOD but your books tell to do so. Muslims hate Jews & vice versa not knowing the fact that both are created by same creator. Applies true for Christians too. If these 3 are created by same GOD, they should not be hated first of all. It seems that you people assume that there are 4 creators – Muslim creator Allah, Christian creator Lord GOD, Jew creator – Alwhym & 4th is Pagan GOD. If all these 4 are same then we all are created by one. Why you hate a Non Muslim NOW?? Why don’t you realize the basic fact that even Kaffirs are created by the same creator??? Forget of Kaffirs, Allah created Shaitaan.)
Regarding Mohammed – no he isn’t Kalki Avatar. There are at least 100 differences between the 2. Even if he is – how can his story is predicted accurately way before your books were written? That proves that Indian books were works of first prophet (Rishi-s). Your all books fail to acknowledge that. Most important point is: while Vedic origin of the Universe is 22.56324 billion years (well accepted by many scientists) – Bible origin is only 4,450 BCE – you people don’t even know how to copy. Even the science of Quran is copied from Greek mathematicians including Aristotle & Leviticus. Anyways, I am not interested in discussing further what &…
@VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says:
January 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm:
Again and again bro we have to empasize please see reference to context. You say that stories are copied. Now I understand more that why Allah kept Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) unlettered. So that people don’t say that he read somewhere else and making old scriptures his own ! Kya hota tha that people, especially christians and jews , in order to test whether Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) was a real prophet or fake they used to ask him to narrate old stories, They knew he [Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) ] was unlettered and if wasn’t real prophet he would falter. Sometimes they wanted to know stories that had some controversies or they wanted exact history from Allah. So Allah used to Oblige. It is not that Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) used to quote because he had vast knowledge and had read so much that you could ask him anything. Allah used to reveal to him what he was being asked by people. ( now come on don’t say it is not great that Allah knew it because it had already happened and others also knew it.) Allah wanted that people should realize that Quran is from Allah and Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) is his true messenger. In Quran those prophets are mentioned either who were near to Allah or people has asked specifically about them. I’m sure prophets mein bhi levels hain. You know why Christians are so elevated ? Because Allah was happy with them that they accepted Jesus Christ as prophet outright. Not like other people who took too long to recognize their prophets. Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) ko kill karne ke saazish ke logon ne. Prophet Noah toh haar gaye preach karte karte and he had to curse his people. So the great flood came. Allah sees your worth by how quickly you recognize Him. Jesus Christ gave up Christianity to get the best message. You see the foresight ! You have…
VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says:
January 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Contd….
I will narrate to you an interesting story. One jew came to Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) after some amount of Quran had been revealed and said that since he [meaning Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him )] was unlettered if the jew be given permission he would write the Quranic revelation in Arabic for him. Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) thought that the jew had good intentions agreed to Allow him to write the Quran into Arabic text for the Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ). See Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) was not God and only knew what Allah revealed to Him, so how would he know about what was in the heart of the jew. After a lot of text had been written and there was praise for it, the jew started saying that he had coined the verses as the Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) was unlettered and how could he write these. Prophet Mohammad ( may Allah send His blessings on him ) was surprised by the jews action, but he did not say anything, the muslims knew about the jews deceit. Anyway, after sometime the jew fell ill and died and was buried. After he was buried the following day people saw his body lying outside above the Ground. So the jews said it was the mischief of the muslims. Muslims denied that they had anything to do with it. So the jews buried him deeper. However, the next morning the jews body was again lying outside. So it continued that the jew was buried deeper and deeper but his body would be outside of the earth the next day. Finally the jews gave up and the mentioned jews body was abandoned above the ground – left to be scavaged by animal ! [ The earth had refused to accept the mentioned jew inside her and would throw him out each time ! ]
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Although I don’t like to boast, but I have to reply to your sick posts.
All those inventions are copied from ancient inventors.
Toothbrush was invented first by greek doctors. In 700 BCE.
Are you mad to call Surgery your own – shame upon you – surgery is copied from Indian medical practitioners in 1200 BCE. The first 2 surgeons in the world were Charak & Sushrut.
Flying machine – who idiot uploaded this video – First ever flying machine is ancient Vimaan.
Algebra is copied from Aryabhata. See the video yourself – it says root of Hindu & greek system
University is Muslim concept – get my foot – first University is Takshashila – 700 BCE which a Muslim destroyed.
Optics principle was again copied from Greek scientist Aristotle.
Music has its origin in Saam Veda
First ever hospital in the world is greek concept NOT muslim.
Seems that you are the sickest. Get up and find something better to do. Bye.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Although I don’t like to boast, but I have to reply to your sick posts.
Awesome reply! See this first…
See this too!
Sickest girl Atoze exposed:
MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 12, 2012 at 9:27 pm
No one is more blind then a person who does not want to see. When you quote quran see the whole text in perspective. When it is being told that the earth is a place for you to live life than it is said that it is spread out to you. However when the shape of the earth is being described or astronomy is being told then it is said that it is egg shaped. A similar description is given in vedas also but you only try to find faults and give wrong picture. The music being played in the background of the video is that of nagin. When satan went to heaven to trick adam to eat the forbidden fruit he went disguised as a serpent only ! So also the makers of the above video have incidently played the same sort of music.
Before you quote do a thorough research yourself first rather than look like a fool later.
You are a fool proved. I have already told you to give Quran in right perspective so that it can be clear what exactly is Allah’s word – that you did not give and now talking bullshit. Vedas don’t call Earth egg and it was Aryabhata who gave sphericity of Earth a century before Quran was written so you do research better. Music does not matters – the content matters. Anyways, your comment is full of jokes as usual – I don’t intend to reply on it.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm
See, people boast if and only if they have something to boast upon: How can you boast if you don’t have anything to???
Download and read this: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y9E50QH4
See this if you have some brain.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/the-myth-of-islamic-inventions-1001-of-them/
And this one too to debunk all claims
http://sheikyermami.com/2010/05/29/the-myth-of-islamic-inventions/
those inventions which are claimed by muslims are lies, it was previously discovered or invented by ancient greeks,chinese,indians and ancient persians
here
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Inventions%3F_How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World
Must see and must understand
@GOD IS GREAT says:
January 10, 2012 at 9:29 pm Therefore, I leave you on your fate :
Aapke naarzge jaiz hai, You are a theist and it is expected of you for such a reaction. You know the power of God and are expected to react in this way. I will explain to you why you and I are both right. I’ll start from the beginning.
You see the satan was disgraced because of Man, man was made vicegerent Of Allah and all the Angels had to bow to him, The satan at that time was the leader of the Angels (because of great obedience) Satan who was haughty could not take it and refused to bow down. So Allah turned satan out of Heaven. He wowed to get Adam (man) out of heaven forever. He has succeeded once. He wants to make sure that all the progeny of Adam should also go to Hell. He devises means for it. He has been given life till day of doom. He takes advantage of it. In this trial as vicegerent man must not do idolatory, i.e., worship another God or associate partners with Him. The aim of satan is just to achieve that man does as mentioned above, that man should fail the trial . Satan uses men only to achieve this goal. He uses their greed to achieve that. You see, there is no denying that Ganesh could be a name of God, just like Vishnu, Brahma, Om and Ishwar. Like wise this will have power since these are names of God. Men often also use these names (eg. Film actors like Ganeshan, Qadir khan ). If someone makes an Idols of human beings with these names and makes a temple then it will become a good source of Income. Faida to Allah/Ishwar ke naam se hoga, logon ko faida hoga, mandir ke daan se mandir ke owner maalamal hoga. What a good and easy source of income. [ present day politicians who do not have this as source of income use religion to achieve power from where they plan to plunder riches. contd……
@GOD IS GREAT says:
January 10, 2012 at 9:29 pm Therefore, I leave you on your fate : contd…..
[ present day politicians who do not have this as source of income use religion to achieve power from where they plan to plunder riches. How easy it is to misuse religion.] Even Ram may be a name of God but it is definitely the same person depicted to. Faida logon ko hoga kyonke ye God ka naam bhi hai. Log ghalat samajh rehe hain ke woh koi insaan thay jo swam God thay. Ek kaamyab story devise karne hai, oppressed people have not option but to follow it. Satan is having the last laugh. He has achieved his goal. It is exactly this reason why there are flaws in these stories, like transplanting an elephant head onto a human childs head. Allah may overrule his laws for a particular moment but not on a regular basis. Even if an elephants head is wired to a human nervous system sooner or later the human immune system will reject it. Allah works well within his set laws. I don’t know if these flaws have been deliberately left by those people who devised these stories. So that they have an escape route on the day of Judgement. (Like People should have used their own discretion, why did they accept such a story. )
It is because of this it is highly discouraged in Islam to make statues / idols / photos. Seeing what has happened before. Now satan is using other means in Islam. This is why so many sects will emerge in muslims also by the time of doomsday as predicted. People have vested interests uska kya karnge.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 12, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Islam has been hijacked by some people with an agenda.
@GOD IS GREAT says:
January 10, 2012 at 9:29 pm Therefore, I leave you on your fate : contd…..
). If someone makes an Idols of human beings with these names and makes a temple then it will become a good source of Income. Faida to Allah/Ishwar ke naam se hoga, logon ko faida hoga, mandir ke daan se mandir ke owner maalamal hoga. What a good and easy source of income.[ present day politicians who do not have this as source of income use religion to achieve power from where they plan to plunder riches. How easy it is to misuse religion.] Even Ram may be a name of God but it is definitely not the same person depicted to. Faida logon ko hoga kyonke ye God ka naam bhi hai. Log ghalat samajh rehe hain ke woh koi insaan thay jo swam God thay. Ek kaamyab story devise karne hai, oppressed people have not option but to follow it. Satan is having the last laugh. He has achieved his goal. It is exactly this reason why there are flaws in these stories, like transplanting an elephant head onto a human childs head. Allah may overrule his laws for a particular moment but not on a regular basis. Even if an elephants head is wired to a human nervous system sooner or later the human immune system will reject it. Allah works well within his set laws. I don’t know if these flaws have been deliberately left by those people who devised these stories. So that they have an escape route on the day of Judgement. (Like People should have used their own discretion, why did they accept such a story. )
It is because of this it is highly discouraged in Islam to make statues / idols / photos. Seeing what has happened before. Now satan is using other means in Islam. This is why so many sects will emerge in muslims also by the time of doomsday as predicted. People have vested interests uska kya karnge.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:01 am
Finger Print in Quran… Youtube.comj
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:01 am
Zakir Naik – Astronomy in the Quran (1\2)
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:01 am
Zakir Naik – Astronomy in the Quran (2\2)
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:01 am
Dr Zakir Naik v ASK – The Expanding Universe in QURAN
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:01 am
Marine Geology and Finger print -Islam Quran and science
@Atonz
You have been defending Islam on this website from many days. But I am interest to know Why do you believe Islam is best
religion. Please write in points briefly. How Islam is different from Vedic religion. & dont write any bogus of Purans etc. on this Vedic website.
@Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
I don’t think Islam needs to be defended by me. Allah is there to defend his Islam. Allah has said that he will cut off a person who hates his beloved Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah send His blessing on him ).
People have double standards in religion, on one hand they say that Islam needs to be renewed, on the other hand they want to retain old religions and don’t want any new religion. A University can at any time change its syllabus and introduce a new one. No one will object. The new syllabus may have parts of old curriculum. There is no opposition. However, If God gives a new book, a new criteria, people will not accept it. They want to retain the old ways, old scriptures which they have changed to suit themselves. Because Islam is spreading, the non muslims have started attacking Islam and started finding faults in it resorting to telling lies. Muslims have till now not done that i.e., They have not studied other religions, once they start doing that you will see that they will find hordes of faults other religions. ‘there is a saying aa bail mujhe maar’ By attacking Islam people on this site are doing that only. Muslims will start finding faults in your religion. The false propaganda being done by western society is being advocated on this site. False translations are being given. Asatya boolenge to aitraz to karna he padega.
You are asking whats good about Islam ? It is difficult to write all about it here. You can write a treatise on it.
@Atoze
Namaste Brother
Will you tell If Allah is eternal why not his laws are eternal? What do you understand by religion? Why Allah Wished of his worship? How can a wishful entity blissful? Why Allah could not protect its previous revelations? Why does Allah get annoyed for not worshiping him & send the souls in eternal hell? Why does Allah depend on postman to send his massages like human world? Will Allah create a universe again after destruction of this present universe? Will Allah give up its eternal attribute of being creator by not creating universe after day of resurrection? Why Allah failed to give a universal massage without mentioning name of any place, geography, history etc.? Why this favoritism if all world is creation of Allah?
Truth Seeker brother
Namaskaar!
Have you noticed one thing – his sources are all self debunked. Zakir Naik praises Quran science – first of all, he is a Muslim and secondly he is NOT a scientist. He can’t justify science from both perspectives. Is Quranic science proven by a great scientist ??? Answer is NO NOT NEVER. All thinkers and great minds have exposed Islamic sciences.
If the people of this Islam are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed… You claim that the evidential miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say: “Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one.” Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say: “Produce something like it”?
- By Persian scientist Abu Bakr Muhammad Al Razi
The excellent source to debunk what idiot Mohammedans conclude about Islamic greatness is this: http://www.1000mistakes.com/CorrectingRefuting.html
Must read and tell others too.
ANGELA COLLINS, A YOUNG CALIFORNIAN, DESCRIBES WHY SHE BECAME A MUSLIM
Unscientific beliefs in Scientific Hinduism :
What is scientific in putting cow dung on the cut end of the umbilicus of the new born child, it leads to Tetanus in the new born.
Quote the exact Shloka from Vedas which says: putting cow dung on the cut end of the umbilicus of the new born child is scientific
btw why are you against idolatory??? In my life of 41 years so far – I haven’t yet seen even a single idol who becomes an egoistic tyrant after you praise it. But books conclude that Mohammed became one after few Mohemmedans praised him. Hindu idolatory is indeed better than your Mohemmedanism. There is an excellent book which says: Satan’s trinity – Hitler, Stalin & MOHAMMED. Before replying to me, read that book at least twice. Then we will talk in detail.
HAHAHA
Rigveda 8/33/17: INDRASHCHIDDHA TADBRAVEETSTRIYA ASHASYAM MANAH, UTO AHA KRATU RAGHUM
“Lord Indra himself has said, ‘The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ ”
Look what vedas said about Women – Can anybody here to refute????
Don’t use translations by Griffith / Max Muller / Maurice Bloomfield – these are biggest idiots ever known to mankind. You better read this. http://www.vedmandir.com/content/questions-answers-april-18-2009
please explain word by word and don’t give your own meaning.I already quotes the sanskrit verses so please refute it by giving exact meaning word by word.
@mohammed
Why do not you explain word by word for proving your claim “Women insulted in Veda”. Are u a gullible guy?
& Do not forget this to answer me.
http://agniveer.com/479/prophet-puran/#comment-70390
Brother, it means
इन्द्र ——- इन्द्र
चित् ——- फिर
धा ——- भी
तत् ——- ऐसा
ब्रवीती ——- कहे
स्त्रिया ——- औरत
अशास्यं ——- अस्थिर
मन: ——- मन वाली है
उतो अह ——- वह उसके
क्रतु ——- बुद्धिबल
रघुम् ——- अल्प कहे ।
After applying tenets of Sanskrit grammar, we conclude that the Shloka says — Even if Indra (capable husband in this context) says that ladies are of unstable mind & has small intelligence. Then …
The answer to this then is next Shloka.
सप्ती चिद्धा मदच्युता मिथुना वहतो रथम् ।
एवेद्धुर्वृष्ण उत्तरा ॥
सप्ती चित् ——- शीघ्र चलने वाले पति पत्नी
धा ——- भी
मदच्युता ——- मत् + अच्युता ——- मन के संयम द्वारा
मिथुना ——- मिले हुए
वहतो रथं ——- रथ का वहन करते है (उपनिषदो के अनुसार जीवन एक रथ है)
एवेत् ——- वैसे ही
धू: ——- भार
वृष्ण ——- बलवान
उत्तरा ——- अधिक है ।
After applying tenets of Sanskrit grammar, it means … even fast mover husband wife can together manage life by controlling their minds. Similarly, more powerful is more responsible among the two. This translation is courtesy of Arya Samaj.
To understand Vedas, it is needed to know Nirukta / Nighantu and other standard books and hence any Tom, dick, Harry should not be told to interpret Vedas…
@Mohammed
Allah is a cruel entity because he punishes the souls eternally just for not worshiping him. Allah is not merciful. Allah is saitan. Can anybody refute me? If anybody refute my claim I will accept Islam within no time.
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Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm :
Why Another Religion Apart From Islam Is Not Good by Dr Zakir Naik – Part 1of 2
May be this will motivate you further
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm :
Why Another Religion Apart From Islam Is Not Good by Dr Zakir Naik – Part 2of 2
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm :
All Religion is Good Why Should Follow The Islam Dr Zakir Naik
ZN is Satan and it seems that you are daughter of that Satan,
Watch this.
HAHAHA
Muslims fight with each other.
WOW! Islam is self doomed
MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 12, 2012 at 9:18 pm
a Scientist explains why he become a muslim, interesting
@Prithvi says:
January 10, 2012 at 10:38 pm :
Was Moon Really Split in Half?
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/katz/rebuttals/taslaman/moonlanding_date.html
This will guide you baby.
And this one too.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina40928p14.htm
atoze
you have not fully viewed plz see this truth spliting moon
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/miracles-moon-splitting-according-to-the-quran/
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
10 Astonishing Quran verses describe black holes! Scientific miracles of the Quran
This will guide you…
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an_Predicted_Black_Holes_And_Pulsars
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
History of Makkah 2011 Miracle of Islam & Quraan.mp4 A.m. Khan
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheIslammiracle?feature=watch#p/u/36/YjaLw4_ZCXw
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheIslammiracle?feature=watch#p/u/23/YNFwlIS28bs
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Miracles of Islam in the Qura’n 7/8 and Science
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Miracle of The Qur’an- Mathematical discovery! must see
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
ONE OF GOD’S GREATEST MIRACLES – THE MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE OF THE QURAN – PART 1
ALL THOSE WHO SPREAD FALSEHOOD ABOUT ISLAM NEED TO SEE THESE VIDEOS
ONE OF GOD’S GREATEST MIRACLES – THE MATHEMATICAL MIRACLE OF THE QURAN – PART 2
Islam itself spreads falsehood everywhere. This will guide you.
The religion of peace debunked. He who wrote Quran (Mohammed) is a terrorist.
Proof:::
http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Total%20War.html
MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Paper was discovered from 200 B.C. to 100 A.D. On what was finger prints used in 2500 / 1900 B.C. and who would have verified their authenticity. So did the chinese/Babylonians/Sumerians came and told Allah or Prophet mohammad ( may Allah send His blessing on Him ) that they had discovered finger prints already and this can be quoted in revelation ? Really whoever made this video is imbued with understanding or should we say devoid of it. Maybe just evil intentions. How well read was Prophet mohammad ( may Allah send His blessing on Him ) to describe about fingertips. How much information used to be freely available in those days. Use some commonsense.
http://www.crimescene-forensics.com/History_of_Fingerprints.html
Atoze sister,
Purchase and read this scholarly work
Ashbaugh, David R. 1999. Quantitative-Qualitative Friction Ridge Analysis: An Introduction to Basic and Advanced Ridgeology. Boca Raton, Florida: CRC Press.
And go through this one too. http://big5.xinhuanet.com/gate/big5/news.xinhuanet.com/health/2010-02/09/content_12956719_1.htm
Nevertheless, Quran contains any scientific miracle – That is a myth.
Mohammed was a literate but he said to others – I don’t know how to read & write. Mohammed defamed Allah by this way. (Mohammedans don’t have common sense. Otherwise! – the logic is simple – only an illiterate can send an illiterate messenger. Allah too is illiterate.) That’s why when Mohammed was poisoned – many Mullahs were praying to Allah to save Mohammed. Allah thought that let him die for he is only defaming Allah. A prophet died the death of a dog. Allah did not listened to anybody and hence Mohammed was buried. The man who made peace as an output of war finally left the world making a society non reformable. Muslims say Peace be upon him. Actually it is – he is dead. No way, he can be unpeaceful.
Islam means Peace (let’s assume so). Peace is a mean to assure rest. The ultimate rest is Death. Death is guaranteed by Poison. This is how the logic of Idiot Rascal Fundamental ZN works. Simple but true… Islam = Poison. All great thinkers agree with this worldwide. Anyways, here is proof that Mohammed was a literate. http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-muhammad-not-illiterate.htm
MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 10:05 pm
This is not a big challenge really . First let me tell you something else. Scientist have been stealing from the quran from long before. The big bang theory was long before postulated stealing from the Holy Quran. It was much later proved scientifically. Allah describes the foetus enclosed in three layers of darkness, medical science discovered that uterus has three layers much later. Allah has said that Allah made the creation and moreover He repeats it. Meaning that oncogeny repeats phylogeny ! Described 1400 yrs back. But all this is for a person who wants to see and just a hint for the ones who have understanding. Allah keeps himself hidden because this life is a trial.
Scientists have already stolen from the Quran all that is written, and made postulates already like the big bang theory. But Quran made this revelation 1400 years back. Now see this. Allah hath said that there are seven heavens and they are connected by seven tracts. Maybe meaning that travelling in these tract one can reduce travel time. Some Intelligent scientist in order to claim credit for it later, whenever it would be discovered, and said that there are tracts in this universe and if one travels on these it is possible to travel from one part of the universe to another in short time. Now what will you do Mr. Challenger ? Accept Islam or search around the world for some jewish scientist to help you get out of this proposal.
When the brothers of Prophet Yusuf aleh Salaam were going to throw him into a dry well Allah commanded Angel Gabriel to go and save him. Which Angel Gabriel did in no time. Out of inquisitiveness Prophet Muhammad asked Angel Gabriel how much time it takes for him to travel through the universe Angel Gabriel said very little time. He probably travels in those mentioned tracts. How he does it and what are the requirement he and Allah alone know. Allah is All Knowing , The Wise ! SubhanAllah ! Glory to Him who has the Domain of the Heavens and the Earth.
There…
Terrorist can propagate anything for any logic.
Now, they are propagating that Mohammed was illiterate just to claim Quranic miracles.
This myth is debunked here:
http://www.free-minds.org/was-prophet-mohammed-illiterate
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 10:05 pm Reply to challenge – contd….
There may be more such scientific facts But it requires time and patience to study that, In today busy life where you have to toil to make your ends meet it is difficult. Only people lie Dr. Zakir Naik have that sort of courage and dedication
Mohammed was a literate. Those who think he wasn’t were idiot fools.
http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=411:was-muhammad-illiterate&catid=59:kammuna&Itemid=58
MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Again out of context quotes, false allegations. If this was true why Islam is spreading fast amongst Christians, Christian priests and Jewish Rabbis also become muslims. How could that be if Islam were against them !
Jewish Rabbi: Islam is religion of future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llSpHSLYwKk
Keep speaking out of context – out of context – BLAH BLAH BLAH
That’s what you have learnt in your life so far – whenever you know the truth – just make it out of context – false allegation. By the way, Islam is always spread by the sword. Mohammedans use violent events in Europe. Now, Europeans are standing against that evil faith. Regarding, Islam – Christian conversions – know the fact first. Better do substantial research. 667 Muslims daily embrace Christianity in Africa alone. Those who are brainwashed right from their childhood, love to be followers of Satanic prophet Mohammed. Those who either are misguided by a Mullah or don’t know the truth accept Islam. Also, those who are afraid of death by a Muslim terrorist become Muslims. Many people embrace Islam due to enjoyment benefits of free sex which every Muslim practices hourly & polygamy which is the definition of Islam. Nowhere, it is logical to see Islam as a religion spread for religious purpose. There are very few who are genuinely impressed by Islam. So, don’t speak stupid things that people do convert to Islam.
MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Jewish Rabbi Converts to Islam ממיר היהודית הרב לאיסלאם http://www.jews-for-allah.org
MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm Why he left Islam
This person saying about Islam was never a muslim 100 %. There are a lot of such videos on the net is to counter the sense of a wave spreading – that people are becoming muslims. That Islam is ian deal religion. Secondly he has not specified for what religion he has left Islam although clearly stating that he is not against the idea of God. He is not becoming an atheist. Clearly a video of Zionist propaganda. Anybody who has been a muslim or read the Quran cannot say that about the Almighty. Anybody who connects with Allah cannot say that ever. Why should I elaborate more. Such people who misguide others are friends of satan only.
Atoze
continue blaiming on jews and denied the truth of apostates ,leaving islam is not that accepting other religion ,,many ex-muslims want to live a free minded without any restrictions and fear, they always hide their apostasy due to the fear of your pseudo peaceful religion Islam
MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:13 am Many people embrace Islam due to enjoyment benefits of free sex which every Muslim practices hourly & polygamy which is the definition of Islam :
If it were so then these people would be running towards hinduism. keep one wife who is sincere enough to run the home and bring up children and have as many concubines as possibe to get. Hindus even accept polyandry ! No body talks of that.
atoze
which idiot is saying polyandry in hinduism ,just copy pasting from jocker nalayak and your beloved pakistan websites, all the worst activities contains in your islam but continuing criticising hinduism, thats following your prophet footsteps who insults and massacred the jews.Just blinding towards your jihadi brothers atrocities and cry on others fake atrocities.
Namaskaar Prithvi jee,
Just searching on Google – how many websites are against Islam. Surprisingly – the number exceeds 39. This is the proof that Mohammed made everyone his enemies & nothing more than that. Christians / Jews / Hindus / Atheist / Ex – Muslims they all expose lies of Islam. This proves that Mohammed made enemies wherever he went. (Anti Hindu, Anti Christ websites are all there but run by Muslims only just to defend their faith. This exposes Islam – if they are indeed religion by Allah, such things aren’t needed.) Now, fact is that No Muslim ever dared to challenge them bcoz he knows they will refute all comments. Just because Hindus don’t take them seriously: Muslims are here. If Muslims really have guts, they should have refuted those websites too. The fact is that they cannot. They tried to refute one and all their lies were blatantly exposed. Refuters (whomsoever that might be) only knew the name of the concept and NOT what it actually means. Many Muslims liked those so called refutations WITHOUT verifying the truth. This proves how idiot Muslims are. You can see that great website which corrected all refutations. Some genius master mind created it. Must see – all idiotic claims are debunked there. If you go to homepage, you will find actual list of mistakes.
http://www.1000mistakes.com/CorrectingRefuting.html
Now, all such websites are banned in Islam nations because so called Mohammedan LACKS intellectual debate. They only know how to convince using multiple swords. Majority of Mohammedans say – Islam is religion of peace, if you disagree, you shall be killed. Agniveer originated to thwart all such idiot intentions. Muslims are afraid of that. Now, these terrorists (including Atoze, Slim Shaikh, ZN etc…) insult Hinduism. There is an excellent proverb which says – if owl cannot see when sun rises then he blames the sun for it. Applies to a terrorist Mohammedan very well. HAHAHA
god is great
you have missed some points that ,some hindu websites have praised these islam in many moderate way but not a single islamic website has said a good thing on hinduism,these websites only claims islam is best and other are fake, only hide their real face and steals from other religions.
Prithvi jee,
Namaskaar !
I don’t think there is any Hindu website other than Agniveer / Satyagni which criticizes Islam. But, right — Islam should be perceived a religion of peace & not a religion of terrorism. Hindus know that and hence Agniveer even has articles saying what can Islam teach us. Must read — In one of the videos uploaded by Atoze only; it says Islam is hijacked by some idiot. Even Agniveer agrees that Islam is hijacked by Mullahs. So, Atoze is right but she is using her knowledge to attack Hinduism — if she could have used her skills to prevent her Islam from such hijacks & eliminate terrorism, world would have been a better place to live in. Isn’t it ? Leave it, what is the point in discussing that?
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 5:14 pm:
There is a saying that ‘ saare raat ramayan padhai , subha poocha sita kaun this toh jawab diya Ram ki maa !
Itni baar bataya ki ye duniya ek exam hai, insaan ne khud iske liye opt kiya tha, ( like someone volunteering to do something daring ) ab consequences se kyon burra lag raha hai, Allah zabardast prize bhi denge exam mein paas honeka. (Jahaan tak Allah ke baat Hai He has contempt for this world, aap iske peeche bhaag rahe ho. Hereafter is real, better and evelasting.) Allah is the master and all his creation bows down to him. Khud soocheye jispe aapne ehsaan kiya woh shukr naa kare toh kaisa lagta hai. All of Allahs creation sees His power and bows down to Him. Aapne khud prize ke laalach mein exam opt kiya hai so Allah ne unseen chupa liya hai. Aapko faida bhi mil raha hai,Allah ka vicegerent hone ka. Duniy mein bhi Allah ne insaan ko superior animal banaya hai. Best mind diya hai. Aish kar raha hai yahan bhi insaan. Aapka bhi farz banta hai ke Allah ke bidding ko follow karein. Usko recognize karein. Samhanae ke liye Allah ne messengers bheeje hain.
Kuch loog poori koshish ke baad bhi nahi samajhte they Deny their Lord, Mujhe toh kabhi kabhi shak hota hai ke jo loog narak mein jayenge kahin aisa toh nahi ke Allah ne unhe ghatiya mitti se hi banaya hai ya koi khatiya soul hai unke, agar pehle hi se sab tai hai toh.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:01 am
Lies lies and more lies thats all you can do.
see this also
Scientific errors in Vedas
Get your mental checkup first. I know – your problem is little big problem and 100 psychiatrists are needed – single person cannot cure it but try getting it cured first. Then, we will talk in detail. Anyways, – Saw that video. Compared everything with Sanskrit Vedas. This proves that you idiots know nothing about Sanskrit. Schoolboys claim to complete PhD without any experience & qualifications. If you know Sanskrit very well, tell me something about yourself in Vedic Sanskrit language. Minimum 18 lines. From that your knowledge of Sanskrit will be tested.
Since you are intellectually a grandmother of a million terrorists: I understand your love towards terrorism. Just like every other terrorist – you are insulting Hinduism in India. See, how big traitor you are. That’s quite obvious – a terrorist is definitely a traitor wherever he is. Anyways, let’s not go into that detail further – only tell me when will you tell all terrorists to live peacefully??? If Islamic terrorism is eliminated – I promise to quit atheism and accept Islam. In future, if even a single Muslim terrorist is found – I am not at all interested in this religion of terrorism. So, your challenge is quite simple – In near or far future, there shall be no cases of any Muslim terrorist all over the world. See, if you can convince all terrorists, make me Muslim.
Scientific errors in Vedas : Youtubevideo only, check it out there
@= SATAN. says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:00 pm
youtube.com/watch?v=FQE-zwDO1Yc
Well, that video along with other false videos claiming scientific errors in Vedas are debunked by holy sage Agniveer & its great patrons. People are so fond of Max Muller & Ralph H Griffith that they become ill minded. Arthur Schopenhauer corrected those 2 idiots many times and even called them schoolboys wherever needed.
This video will guide everybody further.
May Peace prevail.
Go search on Google : Scientific errors in Vedas, Gag and Muzzle all of them also !
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:00 pm:
There is a video on this site by the name 10 astonishing Quran verses describe black hole, right click on this video copy the URL and paste it in a fresh window of your browser in the address bar and this will take you to the youtube site of this video. (It is easier to watch it there ). You say that you won’t convert. See the whole video, at the end of this video you will see that how I know that why you won’t convert.
@MOHAMMED = SATAN. says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:13 am :
Man has been there in this world for quite sometime now 60,000 – 1,00,000 yrs by rough estimates. Just see after Prophet Muhammad
( may Allah send His Blessings on him ) came in 1400 years insaan ne itni tarakki kiya. Itna aaram hogaya hai duniya mein. Life is much better and easier for man. Allah ke Rehmat aa gayee hai !
Main aapse bilkul sahmet hu. Mohammed saahab ke aane ke baad Allah ne rehmat dikhaayee. Mohammed ne bahut tarakki karaayee. Details yeh hai.
1>>> Terrorism increased to 40% from 5%
2>>> Man trying to kill another man for apparently no reason
3>>> Atom Bomb manufacturing became publicly available
4>>> Pollution increased to 67% compared to 13% before Mohammed
5>>> Frequent attack of natural catastrophe
6>>> Obesity and other natural diseases being widespread
7>>> Homosexuality and AIDS prevalent in the world
8>>> Difference between man & death reduced to half
9>>> Human beings living on fossils
Mohammed ke aane ke baad itnaa aaraam huaa ki koi aur messiah nahi kar saktaa. Kaafi insaan kutte ki maut mar rahey hai – toh kyaa hua – DEATH = PEACE.
god is great
if islam has been hijacked then there some limited problems but in all muslim countries they are following discriminations and other cults .Ali Sina has said there is no moderate islam
@GOD IS GREAT says:
January 14, 2012 at 11:37 am :
You really need to brush up your history, and see what were the conditions earlier.
Don’t go by what people are saying. Terrorism is a big scourge agreed but you see what is the percentage of people dying from terrorism and what percentage are dying from other causes eg. road accidents. The pioneers of terrorism have been some old people viz. ( jews ), No more small pox, plague, polio, most infectious diseases are taken care of, chronic illness are better manageable, Less of floods, airconditioning, heating etc. Earthquakes come even in muslim countries because muslims konse bahut pious hain. More pollution is there because of greed. Atom bombs mostly are owned by western countries and aids virus was also probably manufactured for biological warfare by xyz people. Allah punishes muslims faster because for them He wants that when they are presented to Him they should have most of their sins already punished. Allah has said that He wants to give lots and lots of Riches to nonbelievers because they have nothing in the Hereafter, He has said what prevents him from giving too much to unbelievers less the believers should be disheartened.
atoze
you are living in which world 21st or 7th century
even before your allah and muhammad was bornt ,people were highly developed and advanced, Greeks,Persians,Indians,Chinese,Egyptians were very intelligent and scientific, if life has been changed it is due to human’s own thought and hard working and self confidence.
Someone claimed that Hindus were very Good in mathematics, muslim never claimed any such capacity. The result is out. In a competition of 73 countries in programme for international student assesment in 15 yr olds, Indians got 72nd position in maths, and in science Indians brought up the last. 50 Lakh students throught the world participated in the programme.
@Atoze
My friend claimed that Muslim are Good to spread terrorism. 99 % terrorists are Muslim. One query to you
How do you check authenticity of book just by its claim or introspect it keeping in line of science & logics?
Truth Seeker says:
January 15, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I made no claim on terrorist or terrorism this is just rubbish what you said. Are you imagining
Where did anybody said that you are claim on terrorism. Everybody knows that you cannot claim anything on terrorist since you yourself are one.
Its shocking that despite terrorism being a serious threat especially in India / Europe; No Muslims ever decided to stand up against terrorism yet every joker Muslim says – Islam is religion of peace. This exposes hypocrisy of Muslims.
@GOD IS GREAT says:
January 15, 2012 at 6:26 pm
How many hindus stood up aganist accused in mecca masjid, samjhauta express…ajmer blast etc.
It seems that you only the names of what happened NOT what actually happened. I will answer one by one.
Mecca Masjid:
Mode — cellphone triggered pipe bomb
Dead — 16
Accused — Swaami Aseemanand
Other accused — Syedbudeen & Abdur Raheem (both claimed false accussed by PAK army)
Only 16 died of 100 is not bother-able. But key thing is that even Aseemanand was tortured by Muslim policeman to accept his mistake. It is a forceful acceptation & illegal one.
Samjhauta Express:
A train for peace started between India and Pakistan started by INDIAN govt. Rarely any Indian can do bombing
Death: 68
died: Pakistani civilians +++ Indian military
It can be neither Hindu nor Muslim. Again Swami Aseemanand is false held captive later on released after charges proven false. => If any Hindu did that, he would be mentally ill. So, that does not need discussion.
Actual accused: Lashkar – e – Tayyeba member Arif Qasmani was caught by US department of treasury.
Ajmer Blast:
Mode: bomb in Tiffin
Death: 3
Location: Moinuddin Chisti — himself a terrorist, so bombing was tit for tat.
Even if these are taken together, Muslim attack is dangerous. Let’s analyze 1993 attacks
Mode: 13 serial blasts
Death: 250
Injuries: 700
Accused: Dawood Ibrahim.
Conclusion: All terrorisms are initiated by MUSLIMS only. What Hindus do is just “tit for tat”. You idiots deserve all that.
Dear all Aryas,
Can you refute this
Raajaa Dasharath, who speaks truth, whose mind is virtuous, and who has his character deep like ocean said to Sumantra – “I want to see Him with all my wives here.” So Sumantra called his all wives. His 350 wives along with Kaushalyaa came there soon. – sushmajee.com/v-raamaayan/kathaa/2vayodhya/15-sarg-33-34
When Kaikeyee didn’t change her mind, Raajaa Dasharath said to Sumantra – “Get my Chaturanginee army ready to go with Raam. Get beautiful maidservants to go with Raam. They will go in front of Raam singing in their sweet voice. -sushmajee.com/v-raamaayan/kathaa/2vayodhya/16-sarg-35-36.
@GOD IS GREAT says:
January 15, 2012 at 7:23 pm:
It is sad If even a single person should die a premature and unnatural death. Did you know that in year 2000 the number of people who died in Road traffic accidents in India were roughly 1,80,000 ! I think this also is a very serious issue. In the reported cases worldwide 4,80,000 people died of murders in 2010. We must find solutions to all unnatural deaths.
I agree with you. Let’s work off a strategy. We should do something to fight with all unnatural deaths. For road traffic accidents, the best way is to find out root cause and create awareness wherever possible. So, try to get some details and accordingly awareness can be created. If it is possible for someone to make the law stringent accordingly, that would help. Regarding murders also, the root cause is to be analyzed – that will take very long time. Also, terrorism problem is to be taken care of. Let’s attack them one by one. Slowly but gradually Let’s make the world a better place to live in. If you know any website or organization which takes care of Road Safety and other unnatural death cases, please spread the word.
What we are doing is just a drop in the ocean but that ocean would be incomplete without that drop.
- Mother Teresa
After some thought thinking about all the has happened in our past in hinduism, judism, christianity and islamic it seems to me that the contents of all the books are very much the same infact none of them actually teach the reader to be evil but on to defend one self against people that cause harm to people. In hinduism the demons own as Raja Hiranyakashayap (killed by Shri Nirshima), Raja Kansa (killed by Shri Krishna) and King Ravana (killed by Shri Ram) where the incarnations of the same soul which originally is told to us was the person who was the door man to Vishnulok and he was given a shraap (curse) to die by the hands of vishnu on earth, so if we can accept this fact that thee soul of the three great powerful demons who had meditated to get great boons from gods was a soul of greatness then why cant the soul of tripurasur also be a soul of greatness designed to guide to unguided people of islam. The born of tripurasur was said to be from a squeeze from a great great sage. Coming back to the subject of the bhavishya puran my thoughts on the matter is that the soul of tripurasur (aka mohammed so said by the puran) must of been a soul of a high caste as not all souls can acheive what this soul has achieved as in both incarnations the form has had direct contact with the all might lord whom ever it maybe, tripurasur – lord ganesh who granted him the boon but the soul decided to misuse it and was destined for destruction so the story is for told and in the other form as Mohammed – the soul yet again has done something that no ordinary man in the islam religion has yet done and that has contacted the supreme and was said to be the only translator for the islamic people who at the time worshiped alot of deites and he showed the to worship one and also showed them how to better themself without selfish desires. I dont see this a evil, he protected the people that wanted to learn (ilm) through the use of a sword (jihad) but it was to defend oneself – this has been said to be okay to do in all religions so why…
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@Kick Islam
Namaste Brother
Bahut Sundar jankari, aapko bahot-bahot parnam, aage aur bhi hame jankari dete rahiye.
आप यह पढिए और दूसरो को भी बताए।
धन्यवाद!
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Science
@भ्रमित says:
December 22, 2011 at 5:02 pm. Wikipedia is unreliable because anyone can edit it. Anyone can change original text and fill it with lies. Jo loog cross check nahi karenge woh to misguide ho hi jayenge. Wikipedia does not take guarantee for what is written on it, Jhoot ke prachaar ke liye achche jagah hai.
(apni jaan ki kasam khayen ke sach keh rahe hain to dekhaen !)
Atoz says;;;
Your falsehood is exposed and hence you are frightened. Resources are well mentioned. You cannot simply blame on Wikipedia. Read the sources. Blame them. What’s wrong with Wikipedia? And also, Wiki Islam mentioned that they periodically review. Just because your falsehood is exposed – you think they are wrong. OK, I assume that you are right and Wikipedia is wrong. The truth cannot be hidden just because of that. Give logical refutations to Wiki Islam in that case. Let’s see if you can do so. Because Wiki Islam is root cause of humans quitting Islam and embracing any other religion. They read that Muslims are misguiding people (which is true of course) on Wiki Islam and quit Islam. It is recommended that you answer them directly instead of posting it here. Why are you mentioning it here? Challenge Wiki Islam to swear on their lives. People read those references and decide truth – how can those readers be wrong? The actual reference must be wrong. Therefore, logically and rationally refute Wiki Islam directly if you can. The best way to cut a tree is to cut its roots. So, don’t challenge any commenter rather refute such sources directly. ALL THE BEST…
Can you accept this challenge ??? Let’s see if you have any guts…
HAHAHA