Zakir Bhai MBBS aka Dr Zakir Naik has been among the most hated public figures of today. Deoband recently issued a fatwa against him. There is no doubt that Zakir Bhai is among the most smartly marketed religious celebrity of last few years. He claims to represent and propagate Islam. He considers himself a servant of Muhammad (pbuh). Yet it is the Muslims and Islamic clerics who hate Zakir Naik the most. (Why Muslims Hate Zakir Naik). In this post, I shall briefly list out reasons why Muslims hate Zakir Naik so much that many claim that he would be the first person to enter Dozakh (refer “We Hate Zakir Naik”)
Let me provide a brief background. Most people consider Islam to be the religion propagated by Prophet Muhammad and narrated in Quran. On surface it appears all so simple. Quran proclaims that one who submits to the word of final messenger of Allah shall achieve Heaven. But things are not so simple for a layman, and even a scholar. Because while there is only one Quran and one Prophet Muhammad, there is tremendous variety in the types of interpretations that so-called Muslims make out of this book and this great social-reformer.
In short, Islam is not as monolithic as it appears to be. The number of sects in Islam are more than 72 and they are as different from each other as dry is from wet and cold is from hot. All these sects have different customs, different levels of tolerances for non-Muslims, different food habits, different interpretations of Quran, different level of importance given to Muhammad and his associates and different descriptions of Heaven and Hell. The Shia-Sunni war is clearly known.
What makes the things even more confusing is the belief that of these 72+ sects only one is on path of truth and hence only one will go to Heaven. Rest go to Hell. Thus it is not sufficient to just be a Muslim to achieve Heaven, you need to follow only the right sect. Now each sect fights to prove that they are the genuine sect. Some sects are liberal enough to allow even non-Muslims to Heaven. Some Muslims are even promoters of vegetarianism. Some consider nation ahead of everything else. But there are some who believe that all except those who fully believe in their sect and its practices without questioning anything, alone will go to Heaven. Rest of all will be in Hell forever.
Among the most fanatic of these cults is the Wahabi cult. This is supposed to be the producer of largest number of terrorists including Osama and Al Qaeda since its inception in 18th century and has been a cause of disgrace for rest of the peace-loving Muslims. Dr Zakir Naik belongs to this Wahabi cult, believes that only this Wahabi version of Islam can bring anyone close to Heaven, and rest of all will go to Hell. And things are not as simple. Further, he mixes his Wahabism with material from other scholars of different sects to create his own Zakirism, that in the process blatantly insults and disgraces the vision of Islam as per other sects, including the more tolerant ones. His Zakirism goes to such extent that he does not even spare Wahabis from humiliations. Let us see how:
a. Zakir Bhai MBBS claims to be an expert of comparative religions. In his site, he has put lots of articles on comparative religions under his name. But in reality, they are merely word to word copy of texts from Qadiyani/Ahmadiyya sources. So what is wrong if one refers to Qadiyani or Ahmadiyya sources? Perhaps nothing, except that:
- Qadiyanis/ Ahmadiyyas are considered Kafirs and are prosecuted by most Muslims for their radical beliefs.
- Wahabis have been greatest enemies of Qadiyanis
- The content of the Qadiyani writings that Zakir Bhai MBBS has swindled under his own name are blatantly against core beliefs of rest of the Muslims including Wahabis. For example, Zakir Bhai MBBS tries to prove that Vedas prophecize about Muhammad. (This has been completely refuted in a three-part expose starting with this article)
Now this belief gels with the Qadiyani belief that Vedas were also revelations. But Wahabis and other sects refuse to believe so. Hence even Zakir Bhai MBBS writes in another article that he is not sure if Vedas are revelations. He conveniently forgets that he himself has proved that Vedas reveal Muhammad in another article! (Perhaps because he forgot to read it before asking his henchmen to copy from Qadiyani book and paste under his name in his site and books)
In summary, Zakir Bhai continues to use Qadiyani source to show his scholarly capabilities but refuses to accept Qadiyanis because he claims to be Wahabi and is funded by Wahabi militants.Or is he a Qadiyani spy in Wahabi disguise? Only Zakir Bhai knows the reality, but his acts suffice to invite hatred of Qadiyanis as well as other Muslim sects.
b. Zakir Bhai justifies non-vegetarianism as a scientific Islamic trait. While he does acknowledge that even a Muslim can be vegetarian, he attempts to justify meat-eating on crazy arguments including research by some farmers. (read the rebuttal here: (Zakir Bhai defends Halal meat). This catches ire of several progressive Muslims who refuse to believe that meat-eating has any association with religion. Many progressive Muslims have even started a Muslim Vegetarian Society that is among the most powerful protagonists of Vegetarianism and opponents of Halal meat. They have severely condemned Zakir Naik and his spurious research for disgracing Islam to justify the lust of his own tongue. (You can visit their site at http://www.islamveg.com/halalmeat.asp)
c. Being a Wahabi he has a soft corner for Osama Bin Laden. When someone questioned him on his views on Osama, he replied that he admires him because he has terrorized America! He shied away from criticizing terrorist activities of Osama. This created a lot of furore among Muslims and Deoband even issued a fatwa against Zakir Bhai for his tacit support for Osama Bin Laden. (Deobandi Fatwa against Zakir Bhai) Reasons are obvious -- the money that funds Osama and money that funds Zakir Bhai have allegedly the same sources.Many terrorists caught in past few years have admitted that they were inspired by rhetoric of Zakir Bhai MBBS.
d. While on surface he claims to be a conservative Muslim, he wears a non-Islamic dress which has per Islamic hadiths would lead one to be treated as a non-Muslim during Judgment Day. Many devout Muslims thus consider their dress very seriously and hate Dr Zakir Naik for setting wrong examples by wearing Kafir dress of tie, suit and coat.
e. Wahabis have destroyed many Sufi shrines and even house of Prophet Muhammad because they believe these to be signs of idol worship. They killed many Muslim men, women and children in their campaigns to destroy tombs and holy places. (Refer wikipedia on Wahabism) In the same footsteps, Zakir Naik severely condemns these practices to be anti-muslim and hence is hated by those who worship graves, Sufis and tombs.
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f. Shias obviously have a reason to hate Zakir Bhai MBBS because of his staunch anti-Shia stance, being a Wahabi. But his admiration of Yazeed, considered to be culprit for massacre of Karbala has been a strong point of contention for other Muslims. So much is the hatred against Yazeed that many curse by name of Yazeed.
g. Zakir justifies the ban on worship of other religions in Muslim countries. He however also justifies that Muslims should be allowed in other countries to promote their religion. The logic is curious -- as per Zakir Bhai, in matters of religion, Muslims are the best. So they should be allowed everywhere -- Muslim or non-Muslim countries. But non-Muslims should not be allowed to build places of worship in Muslim countries because their religions are inferior to Islam! Watch this video.
Such ultra-fanaticism irks the more progressive Muslims who want to integrate with rest of the world and rise above religious dogmas and hatred.
h. Being an ultra-conservative he propagates that despite a person being as much good or noble, unless he unconditionally accepts his version of Islam, he will go to Hell and Hell alone and forever. This goes against beliefs of more progressive Muslims who believe that all who act with genuineness, regardless of their religion will go to Heaven and not Hell.
i. Muslim women obviously have all the reasons to hate Zakir Bhai because in name of pseudo-science he is simply restricting their freedom that has been ordained by the Creator. For example, he states that Muslim women should always wear Hijab and Burqa and cover their entire body always. Medical researchers are worried that such unreasonable practices cause dreaded diseases due to lack of Vitamin D in Muslim countries which enforce such beliefs on women. More liberal Muslims see such insistence as dangerous dogma harming the cause of Muslims and Human Rights.
He further states that Muslim women should not work in offices because they may have chance to be alone with men even for a second. The only men that a woman is allowed to be alone with are her husband and those who have suckled her. Taking this crazy dogma of Zakir Bhai further, the Head of Hadith Department of the most reputed university of Islam in world recently issued a fatwa that Muslim women should allow their male colleagues to suckle them five times. This will allow them to work with these men, even when alone!
Zakir Bhai debars women from being any doctor except gynecologists because that is haram as per his version of Islam. Women should not take part in sports as well!
He further defends polygamy by furnishing false data on population but disallows polyandry.(Read this expose on his views on polygamy)
He justifies the belief that women are less intelligent than men and hence evidence of two women equal that of one man! He thus also justifies that women cannot inherit equal to their male counterparts!
No wonder, he would agree to dogma that to prove a rape, a woman should bring ample number of witnesses who have witnessed actual penetration!
The list can go on and on. So much that now even Wahabis have started calling Zakir Bhai a Shaitan. Read this.
And other sects who do not receive as much funding as Osama or Zakir Bhai try tooth and nail to debunk his fraud through all means. Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeV5F8fte14
The process of seeking truth demands process of elimination. One may not be sure and continue to debate on which of the 72 or more sects of Islam would lead one to Heaven, or whether Quran itself is the authentic Quran and not the new Quran as created recently. One may not be sure whether a permanent Hell or Heaven, or Fairshtas or Jinnas exist in first place. One may doubt if Muhammad was a great non-divine social -reformer or actually a Messenger of Allah’s word. One can debate if Quran deserves to be final word of Allah and what should be its interpretation or what new good thing Quran provides which was not there in previous books.
But one fact is sure, there is not even a scope for debate, and certain persons should be out-rightly banished to Hell or hell-like place for benefit of rest of the civilized peaceful society. They include
- people who dare not condemn terrorists like Osama
- who consider that all except their sect will burn in permanent Hell despite how-so-much good they do in their lives
- who cannot tolerate others but want themselves to be tolerated everywhere
- who believe that women are inferior or bereft of intelligence
- who justify inferior rights and curtailment of freedom for women
- who refuse to change their stands despite presence of factual information proving the opposite
- who do not clear their stand and purely use material prepared by someone else to claim scholar status for self and yet condemn the source
Such terrorism sympathizers are threat for any civilized society. Progressive and even conservative Muslims have showed the right way by criticizing Zakir Naik so severely. The first and foremost religion of humans is humanity. The way noble-minded Muslims have shown courage and mettle to condemn the dangerous frauds of Zakir Bhai that are detrimental to entire humanity is warmly welcomed. Such steps in right direction pave way for right direction for seekers of true knowledge.
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Little correction: You write
Or is he a Qadiyani spy ***is*** Wahabi disguise?
It should be
Or is he a Qadiyani spy ***in*** Wahabi disguise?
Dear Sister,
Thanks for pointing that out. I have made the correction.
All things what is mentioned on the composition is written by distorted brain. No brainy person can write like this article. Because this article contains many things wrong about zakir naik. Many things out of context. I am asking you a question. Who are you? Are you a extremely mad???? what is mentioned on this article completely nonsense. If you have know knowledge about somethings you should not attempt such thing. Keep it in your mind.
shame on the women who talking in last bakwas she is doing
If Muslims condemn Naik yet remain Muslim then basically they are hypocrites. All that Naik is teaching is what Muhammad gave the Arabs 1400 years ago in the Qur'an or Hadith.
Women not as intelligent as men, evidence worth half, cannot associate with men, must be covered except in the presence of husband and slaves.
Hell for non-believers in Allah and his prophet. All other religions are false.
Destruction of idols
Slaughter of animals as sacrifice for sin to appease Allah
Muhammad owned slaves.
Muhammad also plagiarised from other text, like Torah and Bible
Muhammad stated there would be 72 sects with only one qualifying for Paradise.
Muhammad described a whore house of a Paradise
Muhammad concocted a hell of eternal punishment where the skin is burnt off and replace over and over again for maximum suffering.
In other words if these Muslims are supposedly progressive they need to look at the source of all this idiocy and act like decent human beings, renouncing the barbaric teaching of a desert nomad of the 7th century. Their moderate stance only provides underpinning support for the fundamentalists.
Dear Sister,
I would leave this introspection on Muslims themselves. But yes, if indeed Quran and Muhammad stand for what you have written, then nothing can be more damaging for humanity.
For someone like me, any text that wants to teach us that women are inferior than men, or considers women as objects of pleasures is junk for me. The reason I admire Vedas is that it clearly proclaims glory of women, does not threaten or lure people with stories of permanent Hell of Heaven, and has a definition for higher levels of happiness that is much above the beastly desires. Further, they emphasize that one should not accept anything blindly, even meanings of Vedic mantras.
I believe Quran also has verses which are noble. If Muslims try to interpret Quran as per lofted values of humanity and reject verses or their meanings that call for blind belief, denigration of women, justification of sex-slaves etc, they would be on path of truth. Its good that many an enlightened Muslims have started this process and hence they cannot tolerate Zakir Bhai. One may not be able to achieve the vision of truth in one day, but the process should begin somewhere. Glad that it has started.
if its so easy you do it…. you probably didnt even convert anyone to islam
u r rt bro…
Salam, well I think most of your arguments lack base at all and should not be pondered over at all.
It depends on which sect of Muslims you represent. Many have issues fatwas against Zakir Naik and as given in links in article, consider him the greatest sinner. Osama of course would be a supporter.
who is this agniveer?? who gav u d right 2 say al dese abt zakir naik. u being a non-muslim is saying al dese, v muslims knw wat zakir naik is u dnt hav 2 poke ur nose in btwn. n 1 more thng V DONT HATE ZAKIR NAIK….
hey maria, zakir naik is misleading u all muslims, and if u end up following him, eventually u will be destroyed and become a terrorist. Zakir has lied so many times thru hindu scriptures and tried his best to prove islam is the best religion and everyone should embrace it. He has been challenged many times by various people including Vedic scholars and other hindus but ur zakir is not accepting the challenge. So we all have the right to expose him everywhere even on the net, untill hes man enough to accept our challenge. We all hindus support Mr. Agniveer, and know very well that he is doing an excellent job. When someone like Zakir Naik misinterprets vedic mantras, it is the duty of every hindu to come to the defense of Vedas because they are our supreme scriptures and yours tooo, since ur blindly following a violent religoin that allows animal slaughter women enslaving, and many other nasty acts.
Namaste
1. Firstly, if Zakir Naik can poke his nose into what Vedas and other Hindu scriptures mean, what is wrong if "non-Muslims" detail why many of their Muslim brothers and sisters hate Zakir Naik for his fanaticism?
2. It does not suffice to say that you are a Muslim. Kindly be specific – which of the sect of Muslims you represent? Qadiyanis are vocally against Zakir Naik. Barelvis issued a fatwa against Zakir Naik. Deobandis condemn him like anything. Shias call him a dozakh seeker. Sufis hate him like anything. Islamveg.org condemn his double speak. Are they not Muslims? Or you mean to say that only Zakir Naik, Osama Bin Laden and terrorist groups are the true Muslims and others are not? Who gave you the right to claim that you are a Muslim and others are not?
Instead of showing your antipathy and hatred towards non-Muslims, kindly counter facts with facts.
Dhanyavad
u fuckin shit no muslim hates him………dumb.if u r educaded then u will undesstand his logic fool.
joooooo
La haul wa la quwwat illa billah!!! You mean Darul uloom deoband ulema who have issued Fatwa against Zakir are not educated! Tauba Tauba Tauba….
Respected Maria Sister, if you have so much knowledge about the quran, why dont u recognize its satanic verses, quran allows a man to beat his women, i could provide u the verse if u want, many idiots like zakir naik tried to defend this act by saying it means to beat her lightly, now u tell me, how can someone beat someone lightly? Different men have different strengths for example my light can be equal to someones hard slap, and if i were a muslim, i beat my woman (lightly), and she gets damaged, then i can easily defend myself saying how is it my fault, I hit her lightly, now its not my fault if I am too strong. See my point, in Vedas, a woman is praised to be so pure that shes worthy of worship after GOD, and here ur religion treats her like a slave and a beating dummy. If u or ur husband follows the quran 100%, in years u will have bruises on ur body and u will subject ur self to a never ending pain. I agree many muslim men are nice out there, but averagely when they are given the authority to beat their wife, believe me, they will and later claim "oh i did it lightly as per quran" to justify themselves.
@maria
As far as Zakir Naik goes, he is an incarnation of those arab invaders that forcibly converted non muslims to islam by the sword 1000 years ago, but the only difference is that those arabs used to swords to convert you, and zakir naik uses his falsehood and scripture misinterpretations. We hindus dont hate Zakir Naik, but if someone misinterprets our VEDAS and publicly uses their mantras to mislead so many hindus then its our duty to defend our most valuble scriptures (Vedas) against falsehood. If Zakir Naik can owe us and all hindus an apology for misinterpreting the vedas then we would be happy to forgive him, or if he wants to stick to his word, then he should accept our challlenge for a debate, and untill he doesnt, Mr. Agniveer and we all hindus will keep exposing him all over the net.
@maria
Namaste Sister,
the definition of a terrorist we see today is one who enjoyably kills innocents in the name of Allah. By the way, what are u getting by listening to the lies of zakir bhai mbbs?
Maria, forget hindus, hes even misleading muslims like u, have u forgotten that a fatwa was issued against him?
@maria
namaste sister,
According to you all humans are terrorist. But here in one of your comment, you wrote-"muslims r nt terrorists". Does that mean muslims are not human?
Sister, think first with a cool mind what actually do you want to say.
May Eeshvar show us right path.
bro vik: il also tel u d way of slaughtrng. d way v muslims slaughtr animals, d animal dies a peaceful death vdout pain n its a scientific method as wel. v muslims r nt ruthles.
This hoax has been long proven wrong. Halal has been proven to be most brutal for animals and also unhygeinic. Kindly revise your facts. Dont be fooled by false claims of Zakir Naik whose knowledge of science and medicines is utterly hilarious!
dear maia..if animal dies a peaceful..even though ita a death…well then y ibrahim wnt slaughter his son..his deadth must be a peaceful death……and then y u slaughter ur sons…its a peacefull death after all..i 2 am a comparitve religion studnt..
assalaam-u-alaikum
bro vik: 2 b vry honest i didn go thru d matr regardng beatng one's wife in quran so i dnt wana commnt on it ri8 nw bt i prois dat il b back vd tru facts relatng dat. i actualy wana research on dat topic. n vl provide u d answrs INSHALLAH bt plz dnt thnk dat i wana delay d topic or m ignorng it.
Dear sister Maria, namaste
1) What should a woman do if her husband is on wrong side? Can she do the same as her husband could have done in opposite case? Does Quran mention anything in this case from w omen's perspective? Or Allah thinks that a man can never be on wrong side.
2) Sister, what do you mean by strength? Man and woman have different physical structures. God have given them different types of strengths required for their mental and biological needs. There are several strengths in women which men dont have. Same is true for other case also. What is the point in comparing their strengths and assign superiority of one on another?
Namaste
I do not know which book of science you read which states that women are less intelligent than men? Kindly refer me. But yes, Muslim women may be less intelligent because from childhood they are fooled to believe so. I agree Arab society was not very great when Muhammad came. But was quran for Arab society or entire humanity? If for entire humanity, did Allah not know that population of Arab is only 1% or less of whole world? And in India, and as per Vedas, such concepts as practiced in Arab and even those promoted by Quran are also extremely primitive. Why did Allah send a broken bullock cart with dead bulls (Quran) when a supersonic working jet plane (Vedas) was already sent by Him?
By sex slaves I mean concubines who are referred as right-hand posseses. Those women whom you can have sex with but who are not wife. Like Maria was for Muhammad! Did Allah forget that he had already banned slavery of any form in Vedas. And why he did not ban it completely in Quran? And if he could not, why does he not send a new quran which bans slavery completely?
What do you mean by polygamy is allowed if you can justly deal with all wives. That is a very vague term. Many millionaires can deal justly with huge number of wives! Why was Allah ashamed of recommending monogamy. Just because Muhammad was keen to marry one after another?
Kindly open your eyes to reason and question yourself that why should one believe in Quran? Only because Muhammad said so or is claimed to have said so? Or there is something more. What if another person comes today and pretends to be a messenger?
God needs no messengers! At least women should realize so, instead of considering themselves less intelligent!
The concept of life in plant and animals is different. There is no special soul in plants that knows that "I am a tree". There are only unconscious life forms residing in plants. But an animal feels the pain when you kill it to destroy the environment. And if nature wants you to consume non-veg food, kindly have a fatwa issued against Muslim veg society!
@truthseeker
Fatwa in islamic rule in india used to be the verdict of Qazi, which, noone had right to oppose.
@Maria Kibtia,
Tell me what is the proof of the Abraham story, becuase even many people today say they talk to GOD and we have no choice but to send them to the mental asylum. Arabs had adapted all these stories from jews for their religoin, thats it. Because of this Abraham story, every year u slaughter tons of animals and donate it to charity.
"science itself proves dat women r les intelignt dan men!! its a universaly acceptd fact. "
Not at all. Heard of Shakuntala Devi? She is called "human computer and holds a Guiness Book of Records for calculation faster than a computer. Her abilities, defying common theories of human intelligence, have been the subject of much research. In 1977 she won a standing ovation from an audience of mathematicians when she extracted the 23rd root of a 201-digit number. That means she found the number that when multiplied by itself 23 times equaled the 201-digit number she was given. She solved it in 50 seconds flat. The day's most sophisticated computer, a Univac 1108, also did the deed – in 62 seconds – but only after days of programming, 13 thousand instructions and 5,000 data locations. No one has a plausible theory as to how she could have arrived at the answer, for the feat far exceeds the supposed limits of human intelligence.
"quran speaks truth n islam is an honest religion."
Plz clarify what do u mean by truth. Something accepted after verification? Or something accepted blindly without verification?
@bro agniveer
y shud i refer u?? r u scientist?? i vl surelly follow u if u r right n if ur words hav truth n base. Quran is for d entire humanity nt 4 muslims alone. ALLAH knew vry wel dat only 1% of d world's population resided in arab dat time bt d condition of arab ws vry bad. go read a detailed history. thngs mentioned in Quran arent primitiv, n if they r thn also v muslims r hapy vd dat, u actualy dnt hav 2 wory abt us!! quran is d buk sent by god n d only buk vch has nt undrgone any changes by humans. maria ws muhammad's (pbuh) laundi, servant!! he did nt hav any illegal relationships vd hr. do u hav any proof whr its writtn dat he had illegal relatonshps vd hr?? plz dnt tel me any human sources cz many thngs r misintrpretd. muhammad(pbuh) married 11 times. go n c history dat he married thm al vd a specific reason n in ordr 2 spread islam. one should blv quran bcz it is a word of god
Refer Tafseet e Jalayan for details on Muhammad and Maria. Even scholars of Islam know that Muhammad had children from Maria. and he allowed relationship with slaver girls in Quran and Hadiths. Kindly check with your scholars. There is no way to prove that Quran has not undergone any changes. Two verses are supposed to be satanic. And no Quran is available that was compiled when Muhmmad was alive? The oldest Quran is claimed to be at least 20 years after Muhammad's death. Read the history of Islam during those 20 years. And you would find that Muhammad's followers were killing each other like pack of wolves. Many caliphs were murdered, and even his wife aisha was killing his other followers. There is no way to prove that Quran is word of God except claims of Quran itself.
@truthseeker
3 of 4 Caliphs were killed by none other than muslims. But still there was no war!!!
So compiler of Quran was killed by Muslims! Is this reward for compiling Quran or punishment for making a false one? Also is this destiny in islam? Please readhttp://agniveer.com/destiny-in-islam/ andhttp://agniveer.com/god-crazy/ and provide your inputs.
In Islam, dying as a martyr is one of the greatest blessings. Hadrath Ali, Hadrath Uthman and Hadrath Umar died as a martyr. The people who upholds Islam and go with its teachings will face a lot of trials in this world. The rewards will be given on the Day of Judgement. Just, take the case of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself. Even he had to undergo numerous trials and even oppression from his own family. But, he had the trust in Allah and was undeterred in his mission. He lost many companions and even his beloved Uncle during the wars fought against the Quraysh. But, still he carried on in spreading the true message and completed it. The reward for it is Jannat il Firdous.
The destiny in Islam is not the one in this world. But, the everlasting afterlife.
@truthseeker
Brother, for a perfect being like God, freedom has no meaning. Can Allah commit sin? Can He create another Allah? Can He kill Himself? If no, then where is the freedom? Freedom is the concept for those, who can choose right or wrong, but God being perfect does not consider wrong at all.
Refer to the verse of Quran which says that everyone's fate has been already written in Lohe Mehfooz (please go through the article-"helpless destiny in islam" on this site), then how can one has any freewill, since no one can act against almighty Allah's writing. Why not then Muhammad and all others are just robot who are being controlled by Allah to fulfill His writing! And what is the fault of unbelievers, who are not guided by Allah because Lohe Mehfooz does not allow them to be guided?
@arya
dont really want to get in to a full blown discussion here.. but even though in islam our fate has been written this does not mean we have no free will.. for example..
there was a sahaba who went to the mosque.. when he got there he told a young boy to look after his camel so that he could go inside and pray.. when he came outside after praying the boy had gone and so had the saddle which had been upon the camels bak.. the sahaba then went to the market place to buy a new one and saw his own saddle at one of the stalls.. he asked the seller that how much he had given the boy for the saddle and he replied 5 dinars.. the sahaba then laughed and said that he was going to give the boy 5 dinars for attending to the camel while he prayed anyway..
this shows that it was written that the boy was going to recieve 5 dinars but it was how he was going to gain it that was in his own hands..
(no hard feelings people and dont get it twisted thankyou)
@truthseeker
Bhai, Please do not give any illogical explanation.
In philosophic discussions, you should explain the points which are not backed by rationality. If you speak in front of any philosopher, straightaway he will refute you and discard your views.
I am not saying this in a negative intention. Please understand.
@truthseeker
This is called as "drawing cheques to the future".
Please bring the statement of a present day Shia scholar who do not accept the completeness of Quran. Regarding "Quran was to be revealed to Ali", those are very olden Shia thoughts and that too from deviant offshoots of Shia like Alawi, Druze etc. They don't even form 5% of the total Shia. Regarding the hadith of thousand and many other verses etc. in their books, even they deny it.
@truthseeker
bro, yes I agree with what you said. But I want to tell you that, till late 1800 AD, there were 7,29,000 GURUKULS all over the India. In which, we used to get not only wisdom of VEDAS but Science, Mathematics, History, Medicene, Sociology etc etc. It was mandatory for everyone to understand the Vedas.
During Chanakya period, foreigners used to come to India for VEDIC wisdom.
But during medieval period, as you know the history, because of foreign invasions, we lost our focus and started all the wrong practices which VEDAS prohibited. That is why you can see the mess in India.
But certainly, the situations are improving nowdays. People started looking into the VEDAS. Afterall, Vedic Civilization is the longest living civilization on the earth.
An update – the oldest available Quran is from 9th century. It is supposed to be a copy of Quran compiled 20 years after Muhammad's death by Caliph Uthman. He was murdered and so was his predecessor Umar. Among the leaders who fought against Uthman to kill him were Muhammad's beloved wife Aisha. After that she also fought against next Caliph – Ali. That much for so-called peace loving followers of Muhamamd who compiled Quran. The oldest copy of Quran though is at least 300 years later after this bloody warfare.
@truthseeker
Why to believe you if Allah knows the best?
You need to believe me only if you want to know the majority view of the Muslims (who constitute 85 – 87%) .
@truthseeker
more than 90% of muslims worship graves. So majority view of the muslims is that they worship something other than Allah and hence are kafirs!
Ameen , brother.
I am happy to know that there are Hindus who worship only one God.
go rub yourself with cow pee
@yusuf
the same way ur prophet rubbed himself with camel pee???
@bro agniveer:
y shud i issue a fatwa against d muslims who r veg! its their wish, thr r hindus who consume non-veg. its simply their wish. i am a muslim n i lik vegetables more dan meat becz its agn my wish!!its nt dat ppl vl die if they dnt consume non-veg bt d thng is v can consume bth, v r designed dat way. if our creator wantd us 2 b vegetarians thn v wud hav had a teeth set lik herbivores n r stomach wud also hav been designd in dat way bt its nt!!
@maria
maria sister listen, zakir naik is on an evil mission, besides hindus hes also misleading u muslims. Tell me one good thing written in the quran that is not present in the Vedas, but Vedas do not contain evil verses that quran has. U tell me is it right to keep women as slaves or to kill apostles who choose to leave islam? All these are laws written by arabs so they perserve this so called allah's religion. THe teeth thing ur claiming, did u know there are many vegetables that require pointed teeth, so that is why we have pointed teeth, not to have meat. ANd our digestive system can even digest human flesh, so does it mean we start eating humans? Our system can digest almost everything? So please have compassion for innocent animals.
Unfortunately, your knowledge of human anatomy seems to be influenced by quacks like Zakir Naik. Humans do not have anatomy like herbivorous because we are not designed to eat grass and hay. And humans also do not have anatomy and teeth like carnivorous because we are not designed to eat animals. Humans are designed to act intelligently and that is why we have a more capable brain. And use of intelligence means not doing acts which are wasteful and harmful.
Eating of meat is harmful for health, causes pain to animals, damages the environment, wastes 10-20 times more resources than those used for preparing same amount of veg food, and breeds a variety of diseases. That is why many Muslims have started admitting that non-veg is unIslamic (not as per meaning of Islam which is Peace). If they are wrong, fatwa should be issued against them – after all they are going against the tenets of Islam! And if they are right, do not justify meat-eating in name of Islam!
And why did not God design us as Muslims if that is necessary for Paradise?
Kindly cite from Quran the meaning of Kafir as per your belief. Kafir is one who does Kufra. And refusing to believe in Allah, Muhammad etc is a Kufra.
Do you mean those non-Muslims who are good people but refuse to believe in Allah, Muhammad, Judgment Day, Heaven, Hell can also go to Heaven? Please cite verses and I would like to showcase them in an article.
Please readhttp://agniveer.com/destiny-in-islam/ andhttp://agniveer.com/god-crazy/
You have given the meaning correctly. 'Kufr' means disbelief . It is refusing to believe in Allah, Muhammad etc., but 'Kufr' doesn't include the people whom the message has not been reached.
The verse [17:15] says : "…And never would We punish until We sent a messenger. ". By this verse, the people who have not heard of the message of the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, will not be punished for failing to accept his message.
What was my fault that I was not lucky? And what is the fault of those non-Muslims who die young. Please readhttp://agniveer.com/destiny-in-islam/ andhttp://agniveer.com/god-crazy/
listen maria
we did not disgrace any religion, we were all living peacefully until that zakir naik who started misinterpreting Vedas. Now, if someone makes fun of Vedas or misinterprets them or spreads lies about them, then we hindus have no choice but to defend our Vedas. Besides, zakir naik's intention is to convert everyone to islam since he wants to make india a muslim state. So this is why we have to expose zakir naik, islam, and quran that is definitely not GOD's word. Vedas came before torah, bible, and quran. SO according to muslims quran was sent because torah and bible were corrupted, but our Vedas remained in the same state for ever, so what do u have to say about that? Quran orders muslims to kill anyone who leaves islam, so how can it be GOD's word?
rub yourself with cow pee
Dear Sister, I agree that whatever is written is Quran is for believers only. Problem happens when non-believers are straightaway thrown to Permanent Hell, and verses are incorporated which call for destruction and subjugation of non-believers.
Further, if is for believers only, then it cannot be for entire humanity. If it is for entire humanity, then all its verses will have to be critically evaluated to test if it actually makes sense or not.
Finally, there is no way to prove that the Quran many Muslims blindly follow is exactly the same as that revealed/ or claimed to be revealed to Muhammad. There is no Quran manuscript available that dates to time when Muhammad was alive. And history of Islam states that his followers were killing each other when first compiled Quran came.
Also I did not understand why Allah decided a divine marriage of Muhammad with a six-year old kid. This brought so much disgrace to Muhammad's character. Why did Allah do so? Because after Muhammad's death this divinely ordered wife of Muhammad was fighting with his other followers including Ali to kill them. Shias still maintain that Aisha and Hafsa actually killed Muhammad. So did Allah not do a blunder by marrying Muhammad to a child and cause him humiliation as well as death and after death killing of his followers?
For the time being, go with the strong majority (85%). Clarifying Shia version of history will need another forum.
So Shia ideology is wrong because they are in minority! By that logic even Islam should have been wrong in Muhammad's time because he was in minority. And similarly Islam is wrong in those places where Muslims are in minority! Why not go with religion of majority in all except Muslim countries of the world?
Agniveerji , I didn't tell any rule that majority are always right. I only intended that since it's not possible here to explain Shia Sunni differences here and claim who is right or wrong before you, for the time being you can go with the majority view. And that too I said it only becoz its a strong 85 vs 15 ( not a 51 vs 49 ).
Those who go to graves believing that the saints can fulfill their desires are comminting shirk. May Allah guide them.
Respected Agniveer Sir,
many muslims are complaining saying if we really want to challenge zakir naik then y dont we go to the media and tell them that zakir naik has refused to accept our debate challenge, I think that will be a good idea to do. Let me know your views on this please.
dhanyavad
That is eventually the plan. But we need to do media management on a continuous basis and not as a one-off press release. And we need to garner adequate resources and team for that. But the agenda is much bigger. And we do not have access to terrorist funds and petro-dollars that Zakir Naik can access with his soft stand for Osama party.
So the current plan is to have all relevant material available to everyone in plain language so that every other daughter or son of soil is equipped enough to rip apart the false propaganda of Zakir Naik and the like. Hence, in subsequent months, we would endeavor to publish online a complete toolkit that can then be used by anyone anywhere. Remember Zakir Naik is just a face, the real activity happens at various other levels. That is the current focus for our team. However if anyone challenges Naik and coordinate a media strategy, we would be more than willing to bash the terrorist forces by coming on front.
When one cant dare to debate a person like zakir, he often make this kind of excuses. look at ali sina, he is been trying hard again and again to debate with zakir but when zakir agreed, he refused to debate. LOL what a joke
@Waqas
Waqas, brother, I can say the same for zakir naik. The problem is that ali sina refused for a live debate due to insecurity and zakir naik refused for a written debate……………Now who will u blame? Ali sina says for a live debate, firsts off he doesnt want to come in public due to the fear of islamic terrorists, secondly he said we cannot debate much in a span of 3 hours. Now, u tell me, how would u get these 2 to debate when they are both different debaters. But we Arya Samajis, challenged Zakir on any kind of debate either open house live debate or written debate, but he is still refusing. What does that tell u about zakir? Brother, look at all the debates zakir had so far, no one challenged him, but he challenged or asked for a debate. Ravi Shankar didnt challenge zakir naik, it was zakir naik who challenged him. Now we all know, Ravi Shankar is not an Arya Samaj scholar, hes a y
oga expert on art of living, now why would zakir challenge him, why not an Arya Samaji? Answer me brother, Zakir very well knows only Arya Samajis are Vedic experts, but tell me, why did he choose not to have a dialogue with them?
Well said, sir,
me and hopefully all hindus are with you on this, lets hope we become successful in exposing zakir naik publicly after all he disrespected the Vedas which is not acceptable to any hindu. We will have to prove the Vedas are the eternal truth.
good luck
dhanyavad
Dear Sister Maria,
First of all dont use CAPs. It makes for bad internet etiquette and considered "shouting".
Secondly, u dont have to get so worked up. We are not enemies, not rivals, not even opponents. Just brothers and sisters having conflicting opinions on the subject. Again I repeat, we are not disgracing Islam. It is Quran and Hadeeths and actions of terrorists which bring disgrace to Islam. I hope u coolly reflect on what I have said.
Thirdly, u r well within ur rights to point out whatever flaws u find in Vedas, Upanishads etc
Regards
al dese r d miracles of quran vch has been provd scientificaly in d recent years bt it ws al thr mentiond in d quran hundreds of yrs ago!!
Dear Maria, If you do not mind, can I know what is your education in science? I can only pity that people are brainwashed to believe in these. Can you provide exact verses and their meanings (kindly refer to translations of Yusuf Ali and Pickthall only because they alone are authentic as per Zakir Bhai MBBS)
MIRACLES OF QURAN
THE HELIO-CENTRIC SYSTEM (NEW)
THE OZONE LAYER AT THE POLES AS THE SUN RISES (NEW)
HEART MASSAGE (NEW)
THE CLONING OF LIVING THINGS (NEW)
THE SUN WILL EXPIRE AFTER SOME TIME
THE PULLING MOTION THAT FACILITATES BIRTH (NEW)
THE EXPANDING EARTH (NEW)
QUASARS AND THE GRAVITATIONAL LENS EFFECT (NEW)
SCIENTIFIC FACTS IN THE STORY OF THE FLOOD OF NUH (NEW)
THE EARTH’S GRAVITATIONAL FORCE (NEW)
AERODYNAMIC FORCES AND THE FLIGHT PROGRAMMED IN BIRDS
THE MIRACLE OF FIRE AND WOOD, THAT CANNOT BE OBTAINED ARTIFICIALLY
RADIO RECEIVERS ON MOUNTAINS
THE WISDOM BEHIND THE PROHIBITION OF BLOOD IN THE QUR’AN
FOSSILIZATION AND IRON CONTENT
THE MOTHER’S WOMB WITH ITS SECURE PROTECTION
THE SUN’S HYDROGEN AND HELIUM CONTENT
OXIDATION IN THE BLOOD
THE QUIVERING AND SWELLING OF THE EARTH
THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE
THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH
CREATION FROM HOT SMOKE
THE SPLITTING ASUNDER OF "THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"
THE CREATION OF WHAT LIES BETWEEN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
THE PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM IN THE UNIVERSE
THE FINE TUNING IN THE UNIVERSE
THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS
ORBITS AND THE ROTATING UNIVERSE
THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY
THE MOON'S ORBIT
CALCULATING THE LUNAR YEAR
THE FORCE OF GRAVITY AND ORBITAL MOVEMENTS
THE ROUNDNESS OF THE EARTH
THE EARTH'S DIRECTION OF ROTATION
THE EARTH'S GEOID THE DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE
THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
THE PROTECTED ROOF
THE SKY MADE A DOME
THE RETURNING SKY
THE LAYERS OF THE EARTH
THE EARTH DISGORGES ITS CHARGES
THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS
THE MOVEMENT OF MOUNTAINS
DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE RISING AND SETTING OF THE SUN
LAND LOSS AT THE EXTREMITIES
THE DATE AND ITS USES AS DESCRIBED IN THE QUR'AN
THE FIG: A FRUIT WHOSE PERFECTION HAS ONLY RECENTLY BEEN REVEALED
FISH: A VALUABLE SOURCE OF NUTRITION
PORK AND ITS HARMFUL EFFECTS ON HEALTH
THE OLIVE: A HEALTH-GIVING PLANT
CORONARY BY-PASS SURGERY
HEALTH BENEFITS OF MOVEMENT, WASHING AND DRINKING WATER
THE EXISTENCE OF MICROSCOPIC LIFE
THE EXISTENCE OF ANIMAL SOCIETIES
BIOMIMETICS: DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE DESIGN IN LIVING THINGS
LOCUSTS MOVING IN SWARMS
ANT COMMUNICATION
THE FOOD CYCLE
THE EARS ARE ACTIVE DURING SLEEP
THE IMPORTANCE OF MOVEMENT IN SLEEP
REDUCED MOVEMENT AT NIGHT
CHEST CONTRACTION WITH INCREASING HEIGHT
THE CREATION OF HUMAN BEINGS FROM WATER
CREATION FROM CLAY
THE PROGRAMMING IN GENES
THE MENSTRUAL PERIOD
PREGNANCY AND BIRTH
THE SEQUENCE IN DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN ORGANS
THE FORMATION OF MILK
MIRACULOUS MIXTURE: MOTHER'S MILK
THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT
THE FEMALE HONEY BEE
THE FECUNDATING WINDS
THE STAGES OF WIND FORMATION
HOW THE PROCESS OF PHOTOSYNTHESIS BEGINS IN THE MORNING
THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER
DARKNESS IN THE SEAS AND INTERNAL WAVES
THE REGION THAT CONTROLS OUR MOVEMENTS
HEARTS FIND PEACE IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH
FORGIVENESS ACCORDING TO THE MORALS OF ISLAM AND ITS BENEFITS ON HEALTH
HOW PRAYER ACCELERATES THE TREATMENT OF THE SICK
STRESS AND DEPRESSION: THE RESULTS OF NOT ABIDING BY THE RELIGION
THE BIRTH OF A HUMAN BEING
prophet muhammad(pbuh) married aisha(pbuh) wen she ws 6 n prophet tuk hr 2 hs house wen she ws 9. n dis mariage ws accordng 2 d consent of aisha's fathr also.
What could be more shameful for Allah and Quran to permit marriage of 6 year old with 60 year old who is age of her grandfather. And then they had intercourse at age of 9. From medical standpoint and human rights, it amounts to child-rape. And this child grew up to kill so many Muslims. So much for divinity of Quran, Allah and Muhammad!
And same Aisha had one Caliph killed and fought to kill another – Ali. So much for the divinely ordained child-wife of Muhammad who had relations with him as a child of 9 years! Why did Allah not send one Ayat which forbids intercourse with any woman less than age of maturity? I find none in Quran while in Vedas it is clear written that only after maturity and complete education of a girl, should see be married. In Vedic culture, a man of 60 years age would view a 9 year old as her grand-daughter. Why did Allah repeal this noble message in Quran? And why did Allah of Quran marry Muhammad with a child who later one became cause of so much of bloodshed? And almost entire Hadiths and most of Quran was compiled on her claims. Shia consider her to be murderer of Muhammad.
bro vik & agniveer:
assalaam-u-alaikum…
u r doing a mistake by defaming n disgracing islam n d ahle-quraans. remembr 1 thng god sent down calamities wen ppl b4 u tried 2 do so n they wer destroyd 4evr n they befell sufferings so plz do nt do dis. u vl b accountable 4 ur act. no1 knws wat vl happn vd us wen v die
@truthseeker
what about the person, who is just opposite to the longitude of Kaba on earth, which direction should he bow? You did not tell me why to bow to a stone (dont give the argument of unity because today, most of the killers and their victims are muslims).
@truthseeker
but Quran says that Qaba is house of Allah!
As per the hadith, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) prayed between the two right pillars. I don't know in which direction does it come to. Kaaba definitely has a special status. "Verily, the first house (of worship) appointed for mankind was that in Mecca, full of blessing, and guidance for all people." Qur'an 3:96
I don't know what is worrying you, brother.
Do you want us to force to believe that we are bowing down to Kaaba and not our Creator ?
@Maria
See whar kind of filthy abusive language is used in Quran 68:13
"Violent (and cruel),- with all that, base-born,-"
The Arabic text is "AAutullin baAAda thalika zaneemin"
http://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/qur...
The word Zaneem means born of Zina(Illegal sex).
See what filthy and abusive language ur Quran uses.
Contrast this with Vedas which says "Jivha me madhumatamma"-Let my speech be sweet like honey
The contents of Quran and Hadiths and actions of ur co-religionists disgrace Islam more than anything agniveer or vik or anyone says. Please think about it.
Just visit http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
The above site shows that some 14,800 terror attacks by Islamic terrorists since 9/11 till date.
Also read "The Rise of Jihad" e-mail sent by Indian Mujahideen. They have quoted Quranic ayats as justification.
Regards, dear sister.
@truthseeker
How come are they defaming islam? those terrorists are the true followerS of islam. quran prescribes for the killing of non-muslims..the non-muslims are condemned to burn in hell for no fault of theirs!
Even Zakir Bhai is such big supporter of osama!!
So who is wrong ?? you or zakir bhai? or quran?
Quran says that Allah conspired with Satan to create Kafirs and fill Hell! Referhttp://agniveer.com/destiny-in-islam/
@truthseeker
brother, please show the verse saying-if the message has not reached….he will be judged based on his deeds.
you wrote-"no one gets a punishment more than what he deserves". But why will kafirs be burnt forever in hell, if their sins are limited? How can Just Allah give unlimited punishment for limited sins?
Hi Sister,
The website are based on quran, hadith, science and history. You might want to go through it to get a bigger picture. Take care
So Shias are non-Muslims because they propagate false. Right?
Shias are not non-Muslims. But, they are misguided Muslims. They don't propagate falsehood knowing tat they are false. Its just that tey belive that's true.
@truthseeker
why dont you believe non muslims also as misguided muslims and share the heaven with them?
@truthseeker
hindus also believe in books (Vedas, which scholar of Zakir-Abdullah Tariq accepted as Allah's first revelation, to see, watch debate onhttp://www.youtube.comusertruthwisdom2008).
Prophets did many things opposite to the doctrines of Vedas and hence hindus dont believe in those.
On Shia-Sunni say shia are kafir and shia say otherwise. Moreover Muhammad himself said that only one out of 72 sects will go to Jannah and rest 71 will go to hell.
salaam bro arya:
by ur words it is clearly proved dat u havnt read quran n u'r sayng al dis out of ur mind!! it seems u js visitd dis blog, saw dese conversations, gt excited n stated ur stupid mind out vdout any thnking!!! read quran n thn say anythng u want 2. 1 cant comment on sumthng vch he hasnt evr read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
salaam bro mahakalarudra:
ALLAH is d most merciful, most benificient, oft-forgiving & oft-merciful. thr is none lik HIM worthy 2 b worshipped!!! ALLAH is merciful n oft-forgivng n dats y u r happily sittng thr n continuing vd ur daily chores othrwise if ALLAH wud hav been ur tantrik or anythng thn u can undrstand wat wud hav happnd 2 u til nw!! thank ALLAH dat he isnt sendng any calamity on u evn wen u'r sayng so much abt islam n ALLAH!! only ALLAH n no 1 else can b so merciful……….
u said evn wen sum1 scolds god, he continues 2 bless dat person vd happines n dats true god. yes absolutely tru, i am by ur side. dat is d reason u al r stil happy in ur respective homes, leadng a peaceful life n ALLAH is true god. any more proof required??
iS aLLAH "hE"? Not "She"? How do u know? Have u seen Allah? Is Allah not formless and without gender?
And does Islam have any female prophet(prophetess)? Or only males are prophets in Islam?
salaam bro anand:
extremely sorry to say dat uv got a vry bad english!!! wats ur qualification brothr?? ur english is so poor. HE is also a common noun apart 4m being a pronoun. ALLAH is formless. he dos nt beget & cannot begotten!! Islam dos nt hav any prophetess. al prophets wer male. women also follow al dat d male prophets taught us. no 1 has seen ALLAH. ALLAH does nt hav any physical form like ur idols
wat happened mr anand u didn reply aftr my comment??
Dear sister Maria, namaste
What can I do if I dont understand Quran? It is Allah, the merciful, who has set a seal in my heart and veil on my eyes [Quran 2:7]. Now you tell me, what is my fault if I dont see the right path?
By the way you did not answer my questions.
Dear Arya, Aisha and Abu Bakar are the true authors of Quran that we see today. Muhammad (PBUH) always wanted to propagate the Vedas. Abdullah Tariq, the greatest Muslim scholar in India also believes that Vedas are first books of Ishwar or Allah. Muhammad could not study Vedas so he propagated as much as he could with his limited intellect. His original Quran points at that. So don't be confused by such verses of false Quran written by Aisha and other false followers of Muhammad. They are in fact cheaters who forgot that Islam means Peace and murdered each other after Muhammad (PBUH)'s death. But Muhammad (PBUH) has cleared the path of truth, despite all falsehood spread by his rogue followers. So you should simply follow the Vedas. Accept all those verses of Quran which are as per Vedas and reject the rest.
The verse about Allah sealing their hearts and veil on eyes is actually for those who blindly follow the adulterated Quran and hence follow the wrong Allah. More they will follow this wrong Quran, more they will be away from true Allah and false Allah has sealed their hearts. They should instead start studying Vedas and embrace the true Allah. To start with, true Muslims should study Satyarth Prakash (Light of Truth) by Dayanand Sarawati.
Dear brother, do you know that "Bismillah Rahamanir Rahimi" means "follow only Dayanand". What a coincidence that Raham and Rahim means Daya and Anand and hence Dayanand!
Kindly refer to <a href="http://wahiduddin.net/words/bismillah.htm” target=”_blank”>http://wahiduddin.net/words/bismillah.htm
Allah means Only One
Raham (mercy) means Daya
Rahim (compassionate): Anand
Literally it means, with the light of One and only one Dayanand.
I am just literally translating as per Muslim scholars
BTW, the words Allah, Rahim etc existed at least 500 years before Quran came. I wonder why Allah did not send Quran in a more popular language. Arabic has been among the least popular languages of the world when Quran came and remains so even today. In fact only because of this queer language, most Muslims fail to understand or study Quran. Maybe this is what is meant by Sura Bakr that Allah has put seal on their hearts and veil over their eyes.
Exactly, so Quran was relevant only for Arabs. Had Allah been wanting the quran to be relevant for everyone, he should have sent it in language of India or China which had a much greater population.
salaam bro:
u js need ur modify ur thnking ability. ALLAH has said in d quran dat thr wont b any addition or improvemnt or change in matters of deen (islam) bt thr vl b addition, improvemnt in d thngs concerning d duniya. so, ALLAH knew dat d world wud b advanced 2 such an extent dat if ppl want they can learn any lang!! so if u wana knw wat is writtn in quran thn go n learn d arabic lang or read an authentic translated eng quran bt plz dont propagate sumthng false regarng quran vch u urslf dosnt knw.
wat happend u didn comment anymore?? answer me
wat happend u didn reply??
What a pathetic argument?? Is any of the above true or from your imagination??
@truthseeker
Welcome back brother!
Muslims clap when Zakir translates Narashans in Vedas as Muhammad. They dont ask him, which Vedic scholar's translation he is quoting. Surprisingly, they find it pathetic if someone translates Rehman as Dayanand!
Why dont you ask the same question to Zakir Naik about Narashans as Muhammad?
@Arya,
Zakir Naik didn’t merely stated Narashans is Muhammad. He compared the meanings of the two terms and also explained how the descriptions of Narashans in Vedas fit to Muhammad. Also, Zakir Naik is saying this to an audience where people of all faiths are invited. So its natural that the Muslims who listens believes what he is saying is true. I am not a disciple of Zakir Naik and I do not accept his views on certain matters. But, I should admit that it was him who gave me the inspiration to learn more about Islam.
Now coming to the article above, why I said its pathetic :
<> This is an outright lie. Have you heard of the numerous companions who memorized the Quran and the scribes who wrote it down?
<> there is no such thing as original and duplicate Quran.
<> Another outright lie. Please enlighten me on the false verses written by Aisha and false followers.
<> Please tell me the wars fought among the companions till 25 years after Muhammad(PBUH)’s death (till the death of Uthman).
<> what more is left to write???
<> The 14th chapter on Islam is an indication of the level of intellect and intentions possessed by the author.
<> Rahim doesn’t mean Anand..
“Agniveer stands for TRUTH,WISDOM,COMPASSION”…..I don’t think so.
@truthseeker
1. Zakir Naik certainly claims that Naarashans is Muhammad. He did not give any proof of any Rishi in his favour. Similar way, Rehmaan and Rahim mean Daya and Aanand and hence Dayanand! Have you ever listened to him about Naaraashans? I am sure we have given a better analogy than him!
2. Ask any Shia about real Quran. We have talked about it before.
3. Do not you know brother that Ali and Aisha were enemies? Do you know that Muhammad’s beloved daughter Fatima was against first Caliph Abu Bakr and she took oath of not talking to him? Do you know that Uthman, who is considered as compiler of modern Quran was killed by none other than muslims? Most of Caliphs were killed by their own muslim followers! And you say there was no war???
Before passing judgment on Agniveer, first try to say something on Quranic verses regarding slaying, abduction, rape, keeping sex slaves etc.
@ Arya,
1. The books ‘Kalki autar and Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh)’ and ‘Narashansa aur Antim Rishi.’ were written by Pandit Ved prakash Upadhyay. Also, the meaning of the word ‘Rahim’ comes nowhere near ‘Anand’.
2. Shias and real Quran. They have the same Quran as in our hands. Moreover, they don’t say Hadrath AbuBakr or Hadrath Aisha are authors of Quran. That is just Agniveer’s imagination.
3. Hadrath Aisha and Hadrath Ali were not enemies. And so the Battle of the Camel was initiated, not by Ali (رضّى الله عنه) nor by Aisha (رضّى الله عنها); rather it was Hadrath Uthman’s killers who attacked Aisha’s envoy (رضّى الله عنها) for fear that her negotiation mission would succeed and result in the subsequent capture of those responsible for the death of Hadrath Uthman.
@truthseeker
1. Who is this Rishi Ved Prakash Upadhyay? He has claimed Muhammad as the last Rishi and hence he himself cant be Rishi! Thus his writings have no significance. And Narashans means “the One who is worthy to be praised”. Every scholar and Rishi are Narashans. How does this word give the meaning Muhammad? Narashans is an adjective and Muhammad was a person! That dumb Zakir does not even know this.
2. No. Ali had his own Quran which was not accepted by Abu Bakr. Shia believe that original Quran has 17000 verses! Shia Sahih Hadith says-
Kulayni. “Usool al-Kafy” vol. 2, Kitaab: Fadlul-Qur’an, narration # 28: “Ali b. al-Hakam from Hishaam b. Salim from Abu Abdullah [as] saying: Verily, the Qur’an which Gibril [as] came up with to Muhammad [saw] is 17,000 verses”.
Dont think you will ever question on this topic in future after this! It is proved that the current Quran is not original.
3. Ali questioned chastity of Aisha after her night stay somewhere away from prophet. This is why Aisha was enemy of Ali. And Aisha even challenged Ali’s caliphate!
@ Arya,
1. Pandit Ved Prakash Upadhyay’s writings may not have any significance. But, it was he who wrote the book and Zakir Naik might have taken from his writings. Muhammad in Arabic means praiseworthy. You can check that.
2. There are many things to say here.
a) Usool al Kafi is not fully Sahih.
b) Usool al Kafi is not a proof against us. We don’t take even a single hadith from it.
c) No present day Shia scholar believe in the 17000 verse story. I can quote plenty of statements from Shia scholars who say that the Quran they have is the original one.
d) The mushaf that Hadrath Ali compiled was having the verses in the order of the revelation. There are differing views as regards the contents of the mushaf of Hadrath Ali and whether it contained only the revealed text or whether it also contained the sha’n al-nuzul .
e) If suppose there were 17000 verses, then where are the remaining ones. Why don’t the Shias have them ?
g) Hadrath Ali became a Caliph after death of Hadrath Uthman. If you are arguing that Hadrath Abu Bakr rejected Hadrath Ali’s quran, then why didn’t Hadrath Ali bring the 17000 verse Quran to the public.? Hadrath Ali was a man of rigorous piety and here is the proof that he wouldn’t allow any tradition of the Prophet (pbuh) to be changed.
BUKHARI 2.634:
Narrated Marwan bin Al-Hakam: I saw `Uthman and `Ali. `Uthman used to forbid people to perform Hajj-at-Tamattu` and Hajj-al-Qiran (Hajj and `Umra together), and when `Ali saw (this act of `Uthman), he assumed Ihram for Hajj and `Umra together saying, “Lubbaik for `Umra and Hajj,” and said, “I will not leave the tradition of the Prophet on the saying of somebody.”
3. Brother, Hadrath Ali infact defended Hadrath Aisha.
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 48 :: Hadith 829
“…..Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said to him: “O Allah’s Apostle! Allah does not impose restrictions on you, and there are plenty of women other than her. If however, you ask her slave girl, she will tell you the truth!”
The hadeeth does not mean Ali (رضّى الله عنه) asked Prophet (pbuh) to divorce her. Rather, he asks Prophet (pbuh) to consult the slave girl to know the truth.
It was not the caliphate of Ali (رضّى الله عنه) that Hadrath Aisha challenged, but she demanded Qisas for the murder of Hadrath Uthman.
@truthseeker
Namaste brother,
1. Is this not Shirk to give a person such attributes like “praiseworthy”, which should only be given to God? Do you know that one out of 99 names of Allah is “Al Hamid” which means who deserve to be praised?
Anyway, any scholar, well wisher, parents, friends can be praised and thus called “Naaraashans”! Why to take only Muhammad by this word?
2. I never said that Sunnis question the current Quran. I said that Shia do so. You asked me to show the proof, that is why I have given the proof from Shia hadith regarding 17000 verses. However some sunni hadith also confirm that some verses were lost. For example
Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934)
Narrated Aisha ‘The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.”
This hadith shows that even for Sunnis, the current Quran is not complete.
And dont you agree that Ali was the first compiler of Quran and his was the Quran with the order in which verses were revealed? If so, why did Abu Bakr refuse to accept his Quran as the standard one?
3. Regarding Ali and Aisha, you are right that Ali suggested Muhammad to inquire Aisha’s slave about this matter. But Aisha thought that Ali has questioned her chastity and this pinched her throughout her life.
Uthman was murdered by the rebellions led by Aisha’s brother. And Aisha asked for Qisas for Uthman! Its too confusing brother.
@ Arya,
1. Its not an attribute, but just the meaning of the word. Similarly Rahman, Rahim, Hamid etc. are all given as names to people. How come that is equivalent to Shirk? Please don’t say each and everything is Shirk. As you said ‘Narashans’ could refer to anyone other than ‘Muhammad’ as well. I was only answering to your question from where did Zakir Naik got this.
2. Although Ibn Majah is one of the Sihah Sittah, some of its narrations are weak and some of them are even fabricated.
The narration mentioned here is also weak. Muhammed bin Ishaq, who is considered to be a weak narrator, is present in the chain of narrators. Quran was preserved both in writing and by memorization. Just, becoz a goat ate a paper, how does a verse gets lost. Neither did Aisha say “Ohh Allah..parts of Quran are lost..Now what shall we do etc…”
The ayah of rajm (stoning) was initially part of the Quran. The ayah was later made naskh (abrogated), but the ruling still remained. The Sahabah (Radiyallahu Anhum) carried out the act of rajm even after the demise of Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam). This proves that the ruling was not cancelled.
This is one type of naskh, where the ayah is made naskh but the ruling does not get cancelled. ie. the recitation has been abrogated and its ruling remained. For Sunnis , the Quran is complete.
The arrangement of verses in Quran were divinely ordered by Allah (swt). But, the mushaf of Hadrath Ali (ra) had verses in the order of revelation. It may have been prepared for his reference or to have a copy in the order of revelations. Anyways, what is more important is that Hadrath Ali (ra) [ a man of rigorous piety who will not change even a single tradition of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ] did not say anything about incompletess or incorrectness of Quran during his Caliphate nor did he try to bring any changed one.
3. Hadrath Aisha (ra) might have had hatred towards Hadrath Ali (ra). We cannot know what is in the hearts of the people. But, we cannot say that they were enemies for that fact. There is also a hadeeth where when some companions came to Hadrath Aisha for a clarification and she directs them to ask Hadrath Ali. Both Shia and Sunni hadeeths confirm that Hadrath Aisha(ra) repented after the event and Hadrath Ali(ra) forgived her. There are many stories surrounding murder of Uthman. So, its impossible to know what is actually true. I haven’t heard of Aisha’s brother’s role in it. If you are talking of Muhammad bin Abu Bakr (ra), then he was brought up in the household of Hadrath Ali (ra) and he was on the side of Hadrath Ali (ra) in the battle of Jamal.
Fatima (رضّى الله عنها) did not take any oath as you say. Fatima (رضّى الله عنها) asked for her share of inheritance from Fadak. Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه ) said that Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) property were to be given for charity. Though, Fatima (رضّى الله عنها) was initailly displeased, she did accept the decision. Below are few references :
Abu bakar(ra) said to fatima(ra): What was of your respected father is yours , Prophet(Saw) used to keep some portion from fadak and used to distribute the remaining in the way of Allah, I swear by Allah that I will do the same as prophet(Saw) used to do, hearing this Fatima(ra) was glad and took and oath from hz abubakar regarding it.(sharah nahjul balagha, ibn meesum al bahrani vol 5, page 7)
From the earning of fadak abubakar used to give the share to ahle bayt that was sufficient for their needs, the remaining he used to distribute , after him umar used to do the same , even usman used to do the same and after him Ali used to do the same. (sharah nahjul balagha, ibn meesum al bahrani vol 5, page 107 ) (ALDurrah ALNajfia page 332) (Sharah al-Nahaj vol 5 page 960)
“When Fatima became ill, Abu Bakr came to her and asked for the permission to enter. So Ali said: “O Fatima, this is Abu Bakr asking for permission to enter.” She answered: “Do you want me to give him permission?” He said: “Yes.” So she allowed him (to enter), and he came in seeking her pleasure, so he told her: “By Allah, I only left my home and property and my family seeking the pleasure of Allah and His messenger and you, O Ahl ul Bait. So he talked to her until she was pleased with him.” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqi, with an authentic chain)
Also, Fatima (رضّى الله عنها) being displeased with Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه ) doesnt mean there was a war. Hadrath Umar was killed by a Persian Abu Lulu who was not a Muslim. My question was to show a WAR a) AMONG THE COMPANIONS b) till 25 yrs after death of Muhammad (peace be upon him) which you havent given any.
@truthseeker
I showed you-
1. Abu Bakr rejected Ali’s Quran
2. Ali questioned chastity of Aisha
3. Aisha and Ali came to battle field to fight each other
4. Aisha even denied Caliphate of Ali
5. Umar was killed by Abu Lulu (a persian muslim). He is a national hero of Iran and a tomb is there in his remembrance.
6. Uthman (compiler of modern Quran) was killed by muslims and Ali protected his killers!
7. Ali was killed by Kharjites, again the muslims!
In this way, first 3 of 4 Caliphs of Muslims were killed by Muslims only! And you claim Quran was compiled in a peaceful manner and there was no fight after Muhammad’s death!
Brother, being a truthseeker, try to accept the truth. Come to Vedic Dharm of your ancestors!
1. You didn’t show Hadrath Abu Bakr rejected Hadrath Ali’s Quran. Moreover, I showed you that there are flaws in this theory.
2. I have shown above that it is a misunderstanding of the hadeeth.
3. Hadrath Aisha and many prominent members demanded justice for Uthman’s death. Some of them thought Hadrath Ali was protecting the murderers. Hadrath Ali had to delay it since the murderers were not clearly known and he wanted the situation to cool down. But, thousands took protests in the streets demanding justice. It is a hard situation to explain. However, what led war was primarily bcoz of internal ploys by killiers of Hadrath Uthman.
4. I am not sure about this. Many others also denied the caliphate of Hadrath Ali.
5. The hatred of Shias towards Hazrat Umar is known. So, its natural that they try to venerate his killer Abu Lulu. But, he was a Magian and not a Muslim.
Bukhari Book 5 :: Volume 57 :: Hadith 50
“……Abdur-Rahman bin Auf led the people a short prayer. When they finished the prayer, ‘Umar said, “O Ibn ‘Abbas! Find out who attacked me.” Ibn ‘Abbas kept on looking here and there for a short time and came to say. “The slave of Al Mughira.” On that ‘Umar said, “The craftsman?” Ibn ‘Abbas said, “Yes.” ‘Umar said, “May Allah curse him. I did not treat him unjustly. All the Praises are for Allah Who has not caused me to die at the hand of a man who claims himself to be a Muslim”
6. Hadrath Ali did not protect Hadrath Uthman’s killers. Rather, many people thought he was protecting them. Hadrath Ali was too noble a person.
7. Kharijites were predicted to be the worst of sects by Prophet(pbuh). Hadrath Ali defeated them in the battle of Nahrawan.
Still brother, you haven’t given details of the wars fought among the companions/followers till the time of completion of compilation of Quran. Out of the 3 caliphs you mentioned, only Hadrath Umar was killed during this period. And, he was killed by a Magian. And that was not a war either..
@truthseeker
Brother,
1. Ali was the first compiler of Quran and his Quran was in the order in which verses were revealed. He presented his Quran before Abu Bakr. But his work was not accepted, why?
2. It was Aisha who thought that Ali has questioned her chastity, but actually Ali advised Muhammad to ask about the whole matter to Aisha’s slave. I agree that Ali had no malign intentions behind it but Aisha took it wrong.
3. Uthmaan was killed by rebels which were led by Aisha’s brother. It is so confusing that a brother kills someone and sister wants to take revenge going against her own brother.
5. Abu Lulu is a national hero of Muslims of Iran. Of course, Umar will say him an infidel because he killed him. This way, each sect of Islam says that their followers alone are true Muslims and rest will go to hell. Thing is that many Muslims consider Abu Lulu not only a Muslim but their hero.
6. This is the problem brother. It means Aisha misunderstood the things. Still one of them (Ali and Aisha) has to be wrong. A bulk of Shih hadith has been narrated by Aisha. If Muhammad’s companions had so many differences amongst them, how can their works be accepted without any bias or mistake?
Anyway, you forgot one more thing that Uthmaan’s killer were again Muslims.
7. You accept that Kharjites were Muslims.
Now please count brother, how many of Caliphs were killed by Muslims? Is it not 3 out of 4? If so, how can you assure that under such circumstances, Quran remained as it is when its compilers were indulged in conspiracies against each other? By war, I meant the rivalry of Ali-Aisha, Abu Bakr’s son and Uthman (during the time of revolt against his Caliphate) etc.
@ Arya,
1. I have explained it. Please check two posts above.
2. Both of them cannot be blamed for what transpired later.
3. There are many version of this story. Hadrath Aisha’s demand for justice was right and permitted by Shariah.
4. He may be a hero for some Shias. And we clearly know why?. But, the hadeeth I mentioned clearly shows Abu Lulu was not a Muslim and he was a slave from Persia. Why did not other companions around him say that …”No.he was a true Muslim”.
6. No. Both Hadrath Ali (ra) and Hadrath Aisha(ra) were right. But, unfortunately the Muslims who took sides couldn’t reach at an agreement and Hadrath Uthman’s killers took advantage of it.
7. Count = 1 (Uthman). We don’t call the worst sect deviated from Islam to be Muslims. You are still avoiding the point. The compilation of Quran completed in the lifetime of Hadrath Uthman. The revolts against him happened much much later towards the end of his life. Where are the wars among companions till then ? ONLY HADRATH UMAR WAS KILLED DURING THIS TIME. There was no Ali-Aisha rivalry. At most, you can say Hadrath Aisha disliked Hadrath Ali. Where comes the conspiracies of the compilers ??? How many times do I have to clarify for you?
Dear Sister,
My idea was not to embrarass u. I was only quoting ur "holy book". In verse 68:13, zaneem is used in abusive sense. U r unable to defend it and indeed ashamed of it. That is y u r giving all dis excuse of my being non-mehram and disbeliever etc.
I am not asking you nor did I ever ask u to discuss s## with me.
Only answer my point how a religious book contains such filthy abusive language? What do u do when reading Quran? Omit reading things like verse 68:13?
Regards
salaam bro anand:
answer my qs……r thr any set limits 4 ur women??
u cunningly skipped dat qs of mine!!!
plz answr me bro
U accuse me of cunning. Really, it is u who are cunningly diverting from the point dear sister maria. I have made my point with proper irrefutable reference from Quran.It contains filthy abusive language. There is no question of any limits set for men or women here. Filthy abusive language is filthy abusive language. I am constrained to point it out becoz it is contained in Quran. When u read Quran what u do? Skip ayats like that?
I rest my case.
dearest bro anand!!
salaam…..
i hav been answering qs of al d non-muslims out here n i demand js 1 answr in return. m ready 2 answr ur qs on d use of filthy language bt plz answr my qs 1st
salaam bro anand….
m waitng 4 ur rply
d divisions between Sunni & shias was not created by agniveer today. It started soon after Muhammad's death. It was clashes between Ali and Aisha(battle of camel). Ali was the companion (sahaba) of mUHAMMAD AND aISHA WAS his wife. If Muhammad, in his lifetime, could not make gr8 human beings out of these and they fought each other, what good can his teachings be to u after his death?
@maria…
sister..
you said "*** thank ALLAH dat he isnt sendng any calamity on u evn wen u'r sayng so much abt islam n ALLAH!!**** only ALLAH n no 1 else can b so merciful.."
For this lets consider Mr. Dr.Zakir Naiks claims..
Once when he was speaking about hinduism's incarnation concept , he said that
God do not have any necessity to take birth like a human being to understand human mind or **to punish the evil doers** ** if he wishes he can send angels**
to do the job…
Now keeping this in mind we can assume that allah(if exists) sent angel to punish me..
But we also know from the study of Hadiths that "Angels do not enter the house which has dog.."
Thank God(Sorry Dog)…In my home there was dog(Black Dog) and so allahs angel could not enter my house and punish me..
How powerful is God's angels!!!
This misconception is important. Because if Aisha is fraud, then Quran and most Hadiths are questionable. If Muslims are so united why do many Muslims give fatwa on Zakir Naik and call him first person to enter Hell? Why Barelvis and Deobandis call him a fraud and anti-Muslim? Stop calling all sects as Muslim. There were 72 during Muhammad and many more came after that. Only one is on path of truth. So if Zakir Naik is Muslim, than other 71+ new sects + Deobandis + Barelvis + Shias are all on path of false and hence they are non-Muslims.
aisah is nt a fraud n nuthng is questionable!!!
u dont hav 2 ponder on al dese, js sit n ponder abt urself, ur future n d hereafter!! u'r nt god so js wonder abt u n cum on d right track. ur religion has js aught u 2 find flaws in othrs religion?? its men who r wrong n no 1 else. thr wer no sects during muhammad's time
Yes! Indeed Allah should show us the path of peace, brotherhood and unity. Let no one curse each other to permanent Hell. As per Vedas, Truth = Bliss
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@Maria
Here let me give u a list, which we bleev 105% that cannot be written by GOD.
1) quran allows women slavery, (why would GOD allow such disgusting act?)
2)quran allows a man to beat his wife(again, not expected from GOD)
3) quran allows polygamy which is undesirable by many women
4)quran orders man to kill animals in a torcherous ruthless way
5)quran orders to execute any muslim who wants to leave islam and convert to another religion
6)quran is contradictory, on one side it declares Allah is formless, then on the other side, theres references to Allah's hand, Allah sits on a throne, etc.
7)quran claims equal rights to women and men, but in testmony, 2 women = 1 man
and a muslim man can marry a jew, christian, muslim woman, whereas a muslim woman can only marry a muslim man, (wow, how is that equal, looks like arabs were weak in mathematics, thats why they dont know the definition of equality.)
the list goes on maria, i can provide references if u want, but if u think islam is the word of GOD, after what i mentioned above, then that shows ur stupidity sister
She is back!!!! Back with a Bang! With all her idiotics! Bravo Maria ! Bravo!
You are making our job easier. Keep it goin'….
Enlighten us with some more peaceful, logical and scientific aspects of Islam!! I hope Agniveerji is getting his lessons!!! ha ha ha
Maria, can't tell you how much i blessed you for giving me such a heavy dose of laughter!!
Don't stop!! Don't Stop!!!
Now am 200% sure that maria is NOT a muslim but somebody is doing counter-taqiah
@maria
namaste sister
here are my replies one by one
1)there is not even a single moral reason on earth to justify sex slavery. If a man and a female slave agree to have sex, this shows the immorality of their character.
2)Quran allows patting not beating? That is the most stupidest fabrication of a verse I ever heard. The verse clearly permits beating and that is why u see many muslim women get beaten when they become disobedient to their husbands.
3)If polygamy is there to help divorced women, what is the need to help them by marrying them? Why cant u consider them ur sister and help them? The reason ur zakir bhai mbbs gives is there is a greater population of females so that is why polygamy is allowed. But today, there is a greater population of males, so should zakir request polyandry now?
4)Many muslims are ashamed to do this slaughtering in public infront of non muslims because they know everyone will think islam is insane. Tell me one sensible person who would cheer u guys while u guys slaugther the animals while its blood is soaking ur sleeves and sandals.
5)well obviously i wont kill my child for a stupid reason for that. Someone chooses to leave islam because they feel its not appealing to them and they want to propagate their teachings and u find it neccessary to kill them, do u feel that insecure of ur religoin by killing people who leave?
6)if allah is formless, how can he sit on a throne???????????
7)wow are men the only truth speaking creatures on earth………? Which scientist told u that men cant lie? Look at ur mentor zakir ………….lies after lies….? How would u get him testified?
Maria, first off, blood is independent of a religion, according to ur logic, if i take a blood sample from a muslim and inject it into a hindu, will the hindu start offering namaaz?
Heights of stupid logics.
@maria
namaste sister
Allah sits on throne and still he is formless! Great sister, now I know reading Quran is injurious to common sense too!!!
I recently heard an Islamic scientist explaining this – that Allah is like amoeba, hence formless but can still settle on throne! This is how ignorants fool themselves. Instead of admitting the flaw they are ready to accept Allah as a Giant Amoeba.
@truthseeker
can you give any proof in your support?
@truthseeker
point7 refute: It doesn matter what the reason is, or how dumb or noble it is, what matters is islam declares men and womeen to have equal rights, and after this marriage law, i dont see equality, in that case islam has no right to declare men and women have equal rights, if they still do, then its a contradicting law.
@truthseeker
I did not expect this fanaticism from a truth seeker. Brother, think for a moment and ask yourself, can any woman feel happy to know that his husband might be sharing his bed with another woman?
Brother, you say 1 = 1 (ONLY). But, we say 1 = 2-1, 1 = 3-2 etc. as well. If you don't get the insight right, why blame me for fanaticism?
I do agree that its not possible for a women to share her husband with another. Islamic law is also not asking every men to "go and marry 4 wives".
For eg: in Delhi and other cities, you can see spittons kept on roadsides with the message "Spit Here". It doesn't mean that everyone should go and spit there. Instead it means, if someone walks by that road and feels to spit, then spit there and not anywhere else.
Its similar in the case of Islam as well, there were numerous wars and women outnumbered men. But, women were not allowed to marry non-Muslim men. So, Allah made it lawful for men to support more wives. What else should have been done?
@truthseeker
you agree that a woman can never accept her husband sharing bed with another. So, should have not Quran stop this inhumane custom rather than legalizing it? Moreover, Quran allows muslims to keep sex slave (remember, they are different than 4 wives), now you tell me, how can this be justified? Do you think legalizing polygamy and sex slavery be a part of God's word? Vedas strictly condemn any kind of unjust, be it polygamy or polyandry.
Brother, how will you analogue your spitting example on women? Why can not women spit into spittoons? Your logic, if applied for women, will allow polyandry as well!
Even if for the sake of argument, in case of arabs of 1400 years ago, women outnumbered men, polygamy was lawful.
1. Thus it is clear that this law is no longer significant for even Arabs as there are no such situations like war.
2. Quran was a book, relevant for Arabs of 1400 years ago but not now.
3. Brother, today, Saudi arabia has at least 150 men over 100 women. Should not then Arabs adopt polyandry now, as a muslim man can not marry non muslim woman?
Brother, I have no intention to hurt your feelings, but I want you to think all this since you are a sensible person.
You did not tell me what else should have been done in a situation when women outnumber men. Should women be thrown out into the fire once their husband dies? Should they remain unmarried throughout their life.? Polygamy is the answer to all this. I am 23. I know how much a man would prefer to marry a widow.
The analogy I made was with the command in both cases and its application.
1. Wars happen even today, Afghan , Iraq etc.
2. Quran is for all times to come. Women outnumber men in many countries.
3. Please provide proof. Moreover polyandry is not possible socially.You know the reasons well.
@truthseeker
You did not tell me what should be done when men outnumber women? This is the condition today in almost every country. Is not polyandry a solution? Quran does not say anything in this regard.
Quran is for all times! Why are there many canceled verses in Quran then?
I know the reasons of both polygamy and polyandry to be problematic. What is so special with polyandry? Go to the women related articles on this site and provide your valuable comments there!
@Maria
What happens to a muslim if his parents are non-muslim? In my country the muslim children are not allowed to do the final rights for their deceased non-muslim parents? Wonder what happen to the heaven under the mother seat??? and converting to muslim without fathers permission is allowed what happen to Allah being angry??
@ bro siva:
salaam…
according 2 ISLAM, each man is accounted 4 his or her own deeds. if a muslim child's parents r non-muslim thn he has evry right 2 first make thm undrstand d fundamentals of ISLAM n if they Accept ISLAM thn its gud n if they dont thn d child has evry right 2 break evry bond vd his parents
@Sis Maria
Does this mean heaven is ONLY under a Muslim mother seat and Allah is NOT Bothered with what you do to your NON MUSLIM father??
"Paradise lies under the feet of the mother". The phrase is a metaphorical one. It shows the amount of respect you need to have for your mother.
@ bro aman:
nuthng 2 share in private bro. dont u worry!!!
Then say watever u wanna say on this forum
bro do i need 2 take ur permission??
@maria
namaste sister maria,
maria, y arent u accepting the truth of Vedas, all earlier brohthers like Waqas and truth seeker have been defeated by all members of this site. Now they choose to run away from truth and they stillwant to follow falsehood known as islam. They couldnt refute our points and now eihter u do that or accept Vedic Dharma, but please do not run away to show the weakness of ur devotion
No sister absolutely not. This is the beauty of this faith that everybody is free to do accorging to his/her will unlike islam where people are shown the fear of hell and heaven to follow a particular path
@maria
vmsuhail.tkmce@gmail.com
sister Maria, namaste
First of all I appreciate your attitude which you have shown so far. Sister, you have yourself proved Quran and your own comments of less intelligence of women wrong. You have been arguing with at least 4 men on this blog with all your capacity and intellect for several days. So your action contradicts with your faith and belief. In fact you have come closer to the Vedic belief of considering woman as "matrishakti" (Mother as the mentor of nation and society) at least through your action if not through words.
Sister, did you get answers to my questions? You can answer these questions only by rejecting the false faith and accepting the true Dharma of Vedas which was followed by our ancestors. I dont know which country of the world you belong to, but I pray to Eeshvar (God) that you be given the courage to accept the truth and discard the false.
salaam bro arya…
thanx a lot 4 appreciating me. can u plz explain hw my action contradicts my faith n belief?? vch qs r u askng abt?? plz enlighten me wat u wanna knw n thn INSHALLAH i can answr u vd d best of my knowledge
@Maria….
Sister you said "islam says thr is heaven undr undr mothr's seat…."
Now we know that Allah is seated on the heavens throne….& as you said heaven is under mothers seat…!"
Thus we can conclude that Allah(who is in heaven) is inferior to mother…!
Then why did that fraud Zakir Bhai told that "We dont respect Mother India(Since mother land is still greater than Mother)?"…
Moreover if you think that Islam values women….. Then please go through this link:
http://faithfreedom.org/content/does-allah-really...
Dear Sister,
Ali Sina is an inspirational figure for me. There are so many cults and beliefs in the world, and I have no objections to them so far they can indulge peacefully in dialogues and wish each others' well being. But the moment someone starts claiming that all except his cult are destined to burn in Hell for forever, it becomes fanaticism and reason why terrorism flourishes.
I admire you to have shown the courage to reject the falsehood. If Islam indeed means 'submission' and Muslim mean 'one who submits', then Kafirs like you are true Muslims and true followers of Islam to have rejected the false Quran and false prophet. May your example inspire everyone in same direction.
@Maria
Namaste Sister Maria,
we are not here to create hatred amongst ourselves, we are trying to help u follow the truth. Zakir Naik is lying more and more, and not only hes misleading hindus but muslims as well. Prophet Mohammad whom u respect, he is making false allegations that he is prophecised in hindu scriptures, but according to Zakir's word in hindu scriptures, it shows that mohammad is a mass murderer, a ghost, and demon. If he claims that Vedas predict everything accurately about ur prophet, then y does he not accept the Vedas to be the word of GOD? See, Maria, folowing Naik will lead u to darknesss and u will go astray. But luckily, we are here to help u get rid of this darkness, but now its up to u, to accept or reject the TRUTH.
@maria…
Sister you said " no religion teaches n neithr does islam propagate dis. it is totaly forbidden in quran!! "
Please refer to these links:
http://www.peacewithrealism.org/jihad/jihad02.htm
http://www.letusreason.org/islam12.htm
http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam
Can you please give a satisfactory explanation for this?(Quranic jihad Quotes)
do u knw y n undr wat circumstances quran tels 1 to do jihad???
@Maria
Dear sister, why does jihad contain the lives of innocent people?
keep shut!! u hav no right 2 say lik dis. did i evr say d same abt ur religion vch permits idol worship?? u worshp an idol vch cant evn take care of itself. hw can it take care of u al??
sister maria, aur aap apni izzat rakh lijiye aur is islam rupi andhkaar se baahar nikaliye . coz' there you are treated only as a means to satisfy lust and produce babies…even your intellect is questioned here by comparing two of you wid a single man.
If your husband is sanctioned to have 4 wives in quran, why can't u have 4 husbands. just ponder over this…are u a child of a lesser god?
atleast ISLAM gives respect 2 its women in d form of hijab n d ppl of othr faiths blv dat muslim women r considered weak n inferior 2 men n bla bla. muslim women arent weak bt d dis-believers hav a vry weak mind-set!!!!
@Maria
Namaste Maria sister,
Maria, u have made claims that islam gives respect to their women. Its sad u have not seeen the satanic verses of the quran. Go read verse 33.050, that talks about enslaving women and using them for sex. Consider urself lucky Maria, that u werent born in the old days. U would be so ashamed of ur muslim brothers. AND speaking of hijab, how does hijab help a woman? Women still get raped in hijab as well? If a man is sick enough to commit a rape, it doesnt matter to him whether his target is in hijab or not. By the way many muslim women are removing this concept of hijab.
so maria if you have a handsome salary that you can keep 4 husbands, love them equally and are also physically fit to handle their sexual desire, WILL YOU KEEP 4 HUSBANDS??
sister maria, Couple of yrs later when u r married and have a daughter will u marry her at the age of six, to a 53-yr-old man, if he claims that Allah came in his dreams and has ordered him to marry ur daughter. wud u give ur daughter to that paedophile???
I hv 1 more question for u. if u r not comfortable, kindly ask any of ur muslim brothers to enlighten me. Men hv been promised of 72 virgins in heaven for believing in allah and his prophet,but there is absolutely no reference to women ….i mean wat will be they be awarded wid if they believe in allah and his prophet………….If not being fed to those believers(men)!!!!
@ben otman
the cruel caste system is fake and made up by evil people from the start. Vedas does NOT sanction the caste system.
Why dont u read the article on this site "there is no caste system in vedas" I promise u will get all ur answers and clear all doubts.
zakir naik supports terrorists out there and he is playing in the hands of saudis. He is already guilty of plagiarism. Many muslims are against him too. Zakir even believes that osama and talibans in pakistan are nice people and not terrorists. Despite having video footages of talibans and bin laden proven to be terrorists, zakir still declines these proofs and says"I am not sure if they are terrorists, I cant trust media." The Al jazeera videos are before him as utter proofs and he still refuses to believe in him. Zakir naik is mentally sick and he needs to be hospitalised. Besides, terrorists are supporting zakir naik for financial funds to make IRF.
@Maria
Namaste sister Maria,
I agree with u that u should not bleev something without evidence. But either ur ignorant of al jazeera videos or either u refuse to watch the truth. Bin Laden and alqaeda themselves recorded videos giving threats to kill more people. How can u still not agree that hes a terrorist? I am pretty sure Maria that a sage or or a saint wont say these things? Maria, after all that has gone thru with bin laden, even a blind person can tell hes a terrorist. Moreover, even his youngest sons were preparing battatalions to wage wars.
@ben otman
In Vedas, tthere is no such thing as "other religions" forget religions, not even tribes or other divisions. Vedas only talk of humans and all the humans have one religion of eternal bliss. Forget about causing hurt to humans, Vedas even tell to show comassion and love to animals.
Well Ben, why dont u tell zakir naik to mind his own bussiness……..forget hindus.he has caused hatred amongst muslims shias and sunnis
zakir naik has misinterpreted the vedas and made a fool of hinds, and many illiterate hindus fall in his trap and start beleiving in his nonsense crap.
Mr. Agniveer is here to expose all of Naiks lies…………and we all hindus and muslims thanks him for that.
salaam bro vik:
correct ur statemnt above wen u say "we al hindus n muslims thanks him 4 dat". i am sure none of d muslims thanked agniveer n vl nvr!! d word "muslim" means "one who submits his will 2 d ALLAH". so whoevr submits his will 2 ALLAH is a muslim n whoevr dosnt!! only muslims name dosnt make a man or a woman, muslim!!! u js worry abt urslf.
U DONT HAV 2 WORRY WHETHR DR. NAIK IS CREATING HATRED TOWARDS MUSLIMS, SHIAS & SUNNIS. V MUSLIMS R MASHALLAH ALIVE 2 TAKE CARE OF AL DESE. SO PLEASE DONT POKE UR DIRTY NOSE IN BETWEEN US!!!
@Maria
Namaste sister Maria,
Incase, u forgot, zakir naik had many fatwas alleged against him by muslims. He even claimed that every muslim should be a terrorist (look at his height of fanaticism). As far as my nose goes Maria, ur muslim brothers can stick their halal nose into our business and do dawah by telling us to leave our religion and join a demonic violent religoin like islam, then why cant we do the same. Maria, all the muslims of pakistan and bangladesh and india were once hindus. Arab invaders/dogs came and forced them to islam. I am trying to bring them back home, Maria. SO how am I wrong. Mr. Agniveer has exposed Naik to such an extent that all of Naik's lectures have no impact on us anymore because they are fraud.
Namaste, Are you an expert in Sanskrit. Kindly provide basis for deriving such meaning for word Agni. Do you think debunking frauds is not a positive thing? By the way, bulk of Quran is filled with instructions to burn or kill non-believers! Why don't you do something positive to remove such objectionable verses from Quran or at least ask likes of Zakir Naik to not support Osama Bin on basis of those verses.
You say I should mind my own religion. This statement has big flaws.
1. Zakir claims that everyone is born Muslim. Thus every human should have right to analyze and comment on Islam.
2. If indeed one should believe in policy of non-interference, then likes of Zakir Naik should first withdraw all the material and video with reference to other religions. Practice before preach. The problem is that likes of Zakir et al have been historically trying to attack other religions, and that is how Islam has got so big following, and that is why bulk of terrorists claim to be Muslims. But when someone questions them, they would suddenly start preaching non-interference.
3. You say people need food and not theology. By that logic, likes of Zakir Naik should be cut to size who only provide theology and no food at all. I would appreciate if you could be vocal about your dissension against deeds of Zakir Naik and appeal for fatwa against him.
4. The animosity is not at this side. It is at that side which claims that only their book is true and all who do not believe in it and its author will burn in hell forever.
do one thing stop posting bla bla bla with out any logic or sense go beg more to dr naik and keep trying may be out of pity he will let u debate him ….then as ur big mouths claim show the world how u beat him…hahaha keep begging loosers….lmao
Instead of such comments which only expose you as a semi-literate, why not directly counter facts and logic with facts and logic? I see so many comments cursing likes of me to Hell, but none giving any counter-argument to points raised. That only exposes the weak foundations of your belief system.
@maria
sister maria, this website is full of questions. None of them have been answered other than Allah will punish you and all that crap….
kindly ask your conscience!!!
Let that chickenheart first accept the debate and not bury his head in the sand
Mr. Ben who is not the rabble rouser, trouble seeker and maker, the one who accepts his shit without questioning, then yes were are the very same hindus
Dear Agniveer Bhaiya, Namaste
I had never imagined that the foundation of islam is so weak. None of the muslims has been able to give any logical explanation to the anomalies pointed by you on this site. All they say is …Allah will punish you on the judgement day and all that shit. I am dying for that day when that Parrot Nayak will have the Guts to have a debate with you.
Great great job Brother.
We are always there with you.
You really Rock!!!
Let the Truth Prevail!!!
salaam bro aman:
ur so insensible. dr. naik does nt want 2 waste tym on debating vd any1 or evry1. mind u he's zakir naik nt "agniveer" who dosnt hav any othr thng 2 do. i hav gvn u al enuf logical answers vd proofs. if u arent blind n illiterate thn go read al my comments. its me whose questions r un-answered n ur so-called hindu brothrs cant answer me….shame on u al. if ur brothrs hav guts thn ask thm 2 answr me. im sure they wont. v believers dontgt afraid of answering bt u al js run away vdout answering
Maria , now i really feel pity on you. All your answers are devoid of any logic and base and you are simply repeating what that parrot nayak keeps on saying.
sister why do u undermine urself, i mean why have u based ur life on the mercy of men? i think you completely agree with the fact that intelligence of two (muslim) women is equivalent to that of a man, as told by ur beloved prophet!!
moreover u didn't answer my query that If allah gifts the male believers( those who believe in allah and his prophet) with 72 virgins in heaven, what has he in store for women believers…………Of course if he doesn't feed these women to those men.
Ms. Maria has possibly not gone through my comments as yet it seems
Maria, am still waiting for your reply. Its been 2 days dear!!!!!
Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things
Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual.
A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense.
‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.
Hijaab for men
People usually only discuss ‘hijaab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijaab’ for men before ‘hijaab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Noor:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: t
The next verse of Surah Noor, says:
" And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons…" [Al-Qur’an 24:31]
3. Six criteria for Hijaab.[/n]
According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:
1.Extent:
The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.
All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.
2.The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.
3.The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.
4.The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
5.The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.
6.The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.
Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things
Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual.
A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense.
‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.
The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."[Al-Qur’an 33:59]
The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested
@Maria
Dear sister Maria, sorry to say, but this 2 twin girls, one in hijab and one not, doenst make sense anymore. U are reinforcing zakir naik's arguments here which are nonsense themselves. Maria, sister, today, the times are so bad, and rapists are so lustfull that it doesnt matter if a woman is wearing a hijab or not, still she is endangered to get raped. So even the hijab woman will get teased by the hooligan. I agree even the miniskirt one will get teased, but also the hijab one. For a rapist or hooligan, women are like walking food, whom he must pounce on regardless of her covering or not. I agree rapists should be given the most brutal punishments, but giving an apostle death, just because he left islam, is pure stupidity. This is the greatness of hindus, that in a hindu country like india, zakir can open his mouth against vedic dharma and even convert others. If we were like u, zakir would have been torchered and ended by now.
@Maria
Namaste Dear Sister Maria,
Maria, just like how we only give prooofs from the quran and hadiths, u are required to give proofs from Vedas only. All other books are fake, and only use arya translations of Vedas since the other translaitons are fake and not authentic.
salaam bro VIK:
who said i hav 2 gv proofs 4m d vedas?? sory 2 say bt m nt lyk Ahmed Pandit who uses vedas 2 undrstand quran!!!
@Maria
Namaste sister Maria,
I am glad ur not like ahmed pandit who is an all time fake. He knows nothing of Vedas. He wanted to be muslim now therefore hes talking crap about Vedas. I would really love to debate him and strip him offf of his dignity. All I want is a 10 minute debate with him to show him his worth, if he defeats me, I will accept islam, if I defeat him, he will be humiliated like a dog, who will no longer remain muslim, nor hindu. May peace be upon u sister.
You seem to be representing the Muslims. If that be so, it highlights the typical mentality that many Muslims have towards women. For a typical Hindu, every women, apart from legally wedded one single wife, is akin to mother. But for those who blindly believe in popular stories of founders of Islam, women are just objects to satisfy lust. That is why you could shamelessly say that : "Boys in India just don't have the balls
to handle a single woman". It may be fine for you because in popular Islam, every woman except few close relatives, is a potential gratification-toy.
Regardless of what differences you have with Indians and Hindus, from an Indian/ Hindu mindset, you have severely disgraced a chaste lady in a most shameless manner. Boys in India consider women like maria as their sisters. But what your version of Islam considers them is amply evident from your writing. Instead of providing facts and evidences, you preferred to denigrate your sister. May Ishwar help all noble women unfortunately born in such lustful society to rise up and get rid of the filth around.
Tera Baap is a typical muslim who believes he can tackle more than 1 women, and of course boys in India do have balls but they are a bit more polite than u muslims. As for Maria, she has nothing more to say, just blabbering nonsense and nothing else. She would be better off being one of the four wives of male muslim chauvinists like Tera Baap
I am absolutely in sync with you, Brother SDC
Exactly Sister Maria. this is what We want you to do!! Apply your senses!!!! why do you believe that God would distinguish b/w his Children and tell one to kill the other, as is said in Quran( w.r.t non-believers)? why wud God allow that women be kept as sex-slaves?why would God give different set of Brains to men & women? Why wud God send Revised Editions of his Commands? Is He confused, about His creation?
salaam bro aman:
as it seems dat u hav greatr knowledge of islam than muslims, so plz brothr refer me d verse whr its writtn dat "god allowd women 2 b kpt as sex-slaves". i wud desperately wait 4 ur rply
@Maria
Namaste Sister Maria,
The problem is that u cannot defend this claim of sex slaves by arabs. Even if it occured 1400 years ago, u tell me sister, would GOD recommend such sick practice like this? Our Vedas are much older than 1400 years ago, and Vedas do not sanction such disgusting act? Maria, please, try to understand Quran is pure shit and it is not the word of GOD, otherwise every woman deserves respect whehter she is a slave or a mother. Maria, ur a woman, and I cant believe it, u have no compassion for other women, when ur stupid religion sanctions female sex slavery. Ok let me agree with u, that islam treats women and men equally, then why does quran permit sex slaves to men only, why not females allowed to have male sex slaves? Is that equal, looks like ur Allah is weak in mathematics. So please do not defame GOD's pious and pure name by associating it with islam.
@Maria
That means you agree that the teachings of quran & preachings of Muhammad is simply Null & Void in the present Day!!! In that case, Why hasn't Allah provided us(YOU People) with a new & revised edition!!! I guess here has been some printing – delay or it is still in its final stage of editing..
In the meantime, it won't be a bad idea to follow the Vedas, coz' its still as relevant as it was earlier, coz' we simply can't afford to wait any longer as already there is a lot of mayhem on this planet!!!!!!!
@ Maria
Moreover, Muhammad did all these deeds which the foolish Arabs did 1400yrs back, so why call Him a prophet ????????????????????
@Agniveer@vik@Arya@SDC@All the Truth Seekers,
I have been following the discussions-turned-arguements on this site since last 1-2 months.
Can't say about you people, but as far as I am concerned, now I am in a position wherein I fully empathize with Sri Sri Ravishankar that why he chose to remain silent in that dialogue-turned-debate with that Parrot!!
I couldn't find, one single, logical point against the anomalies pointed by Agniveerji on this site vis-a-vis Islam!! How can You have a discussion with these people, who have swore to remain Ignorant??
The scenario is quite similar to Teaching The Theory Of Quantum Mechanics To A Slum-Dwellar!!!!!
@Aman
brother Aman, I been debating all these muslims too, all they are doing is propagating the same crap by zakir naik without doing any research. I proved to waqas many times that plants dont have souls, otherwise if they did, wont they be classified under Animalia as animals and humans, rather than Plantae. Plantae and Animalia are 2 different classes. Anamalia means anything with a soul (humans,animals). I know its crazy to argue with these people, but we have to, to defend the truth of Vedas.
@maria
Dear sister maria, namaste
1) Can you prove that plants feel pain? Just for the sake of argument even if we assign a probability of 50-50% that a plant can/can not feel pain then also we should choose veg food because killing animals includes 100% surety of giving them pain. If we have to choose between the two acts(one may or may not be violent but the other is definitely violent) , then we should choose the one which is less probabilistic in terms of suffering.
Sister, go and get some knowledge about cows. They do not feel pain while milking, in fact they feel pain when they are not milked on time.
2) Sister, when we talk about positive or negative, we talk about the net result. A surgery is not said to be violent though it includes bloodshed because we are getting a net positive out of it.
@Maria
namaste sister Maria,
Who told u that we hindus worship multiple Gods? Sister, according to Vedas, there is only ONE GOD, that we all hindus worship. AND we worship ONLY one supreme GOD whose name is Ishwar. Today, u see idols of many differnt deities is because all these deities represent some quality of Ishwar (same one GOD) whom people worship them. But again Idolatry, is against the Vedas. But we hindus worship the real Acutal GOD, and U worship Allah which doesnt look like a GOD. U guys gave GOD a bad name.
Has Maria able to refute the so many charges made against Islam by FFI?
Freedom faith international eagerly awaits self appointed islamic scholars and apologetics since its inception and wikipedia notes that till now only a grand Ayotellah and a Paki Scholar had responded to the challenge.
The transcripts are available for download and u can see even the basic questions raised are not adequately addressed or refuted.
Instead people like Maria keep ranting on the same non-sequitors and illogicities or else rain abuses and damnation for questioners.
If they really want Islam from being discredited as a religion, then they should make a clear and logical presentation.
Every single inanity such as 'miracles of islam', 'koran has no contradictions' 'prophet mohamad is the best of men ever' are still to be logically proved in the FFi debate forum.
Instead marias come on board other sites and repeat the same illogical statements.
There were poets, leaders of tribes and even generals who were women in pre islamic times, and not as propogandised like muslim scholars that they treated women as inferiors.
The practice of veiling itslef the hadith says was suggested by a human and prophet then cameup with an endorsement from Allah which is ridiculous and also proves Allah was suggestible.
About the science is koran just read FFi's refutation and how absurd it is.
Was jihad a defensive doctrine, or was it an aggressive and unilateral violence is clear at FFI.
For all that irrefutable logic, mulsims so far just come up with curses and more curses and more illogicity.
Muslims never had this situation before when they were asked top debate freely and prove Islam is right.
imagine this is how they have been converting Islam-
Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’
Ishaq 327
When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the Devils and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.
Ishaq 510
We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.
Tabari IX 42
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:220
Abu Dawud 11:2142 Yahya related to me from Malik that Abdullah ibn Dinar said, "A man came to Abdullah ibn Umar when I waswith him at the place where judgments were given and asked him about the suckling of an older person. Abdullah ibn Umar replied, 'A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab and said, 'I have a slave-girl and I used to have intercourse with her. My wife went to her and suckled her. When I went to the girl, my wife told me to watch out, because she had suckled her!' Umar told him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl because kinship by suckling was only by the suckling of the young.' "
Al-Muwatta 30 2.13, See also:Al-Muwatta 30 30.213b
Dont Slap her or revile her outside the house, but once she comes in?
Qur'an 4:34
O Messenger of Allah ! What right has the wife of one among us got over him?' He said: 'It is that you shall give her food when you have taken your food, that you shall clothe her when you have clothed yourself, that you shall not slap her on the face, nor revile her, nor desert her except within the house.
33:1 O Prophet! Fear Allah, and hearken not to the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites: verily Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.
33:2 But follow that which comes to thee by inspiration from thy Lord: for Allah is well acquainted with (all) that ye do.
33:3 And put thy trust in Allah, and enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs.
corrections to Aron (sounds like a Christian name), not sure where he got his references from:
33:26 And those of the People of the Book who aided them – Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.
Waanzala allatheena thaharoohummin ahli alkitabi min sayaseehim waqathafafee quloobihimu alrruAAba fareeqan taqtuloona wata/siroonafareeqan
4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
Alrrijalu qawwamoonaAAala alnnisa-i bima faddalaAllahu baAAdahum AAala baAAdin wabimaanfaqoo min amwalihim faalssalihatu qanitatunhafithatun lilghaybi bima hafithaAllahu waallatee takhafoonanushoozahunna faAAithoohunna waohjuroohunnafee almadajiAAi waidriboohunna fa-in ataAAnakumfala tabghoo AAalayhinna sabeelan inna Allaha kanaAAaliyyan kabeeran
2:2 This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
2:3 Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
2:4 And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
2:5 They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
2:6 As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
2:7 Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
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2:13 When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.
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2:15 Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (To and fro).
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2:18 Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
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2:21 O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;
2:22 Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth).
The Challenge from God!
2:23 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.
2:24 But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.
The reward from God.
2:25 But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).
something good to know – Surah Al tauba
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/tafseer/tauba….
All is requested from you all to Hindu and Muslim people, whatever you quote ensure you quote the correct reference.
There are people who like to defame Islam, like there are people who like to defame Hinduism.
The reward is nothing but disaster if you attack one another…. like it is said in the quran below.
The verse below basically talks about freedom of faith and freedom of mind. basically 'Live and Let Live'. Everybody has their choice, If I choose to become Hindu, that is out of my choice and vis a vis.
109:1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
109:2 I worship not that which ye worship,
109:3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109:4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.
The Last Sermon Confirms the Main Points from the Quran
by Shahid Athar, M. D.
"Oh Prophet, We have sent you as a witness, news bearer and a warner and as someone who invites people to God by His permission and a shining Lamp" (33:45-46).
Prophet Muhanimad (PBUH) who was sent to mankind as a news bearer and a wamer for he spoke the truth and did not invent something of his own. The purpose of this article is to confirm the statements made by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) during his farewell address during the last pilgrimage (10 AH).
After praising and thanking God, the Messenger said, "Oh people, listen to my words carefully for I know not whether I will meet you on such an occasion again."
TRUST AND ACCOUNTABILITY
Sermon: "Oh people, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Remember that you will indeed appear before God and answer for your actions."
Quran: "If anyone killed a person unless it is for a murder or spreading mischief on earth it would be as it he killed the whole mankind, and if anyone who saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of whole mankind" (5:32). "Then on that day not a soul will be wronged in the least and you shall but be prepaid in the needs of your past deeds" (36:54).
FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS
Sermon: "Return the things kept with you as trust (amanah) to their rightful owners."
Quran: "If one of you entrusts (something) the one who has been entrusted with it should hand over his security and he should heed God and not hide any testimony. Anyone who hides it-has a sinfull heart" (2:283).
INTEREST (RIBAH)
Sermon: "All dues of interest shall stand cancelled and you will have only your capital back. Allah has forbidden interest, and I cancel the dues of interest payable to may uncle Abbas ibn Abdul Muttalib."
Quran: "You who believe fear God and write off anything that remains outstanding from lending at interest if you are (true) God and His Messenger If you repent you may retail your principal do not wrong and you will not be wronged" (2:278).
TREATMENT OF WIFE (SPOUSE)
Sermon: "Oh people, your wives have a certain right over you and you have a certain right over them. Treat them well and be kind to them for they are your committed partners and commited helpers.
Quran: "Provide for them the rich according to his income and the poor according to his means, a provision according to the custom. This is an obligation for those who act kindly" (2:236). "Treat them politely even if you dislike them,. Perhaps you dislike something in which God has placed much good" (4:19).
WARNING ABOUT SATAN
Sermon: "Beware of Satan, he is desperate to divert you from the worship of God so beware of him in matters of your way of life."
Quran: "Verily Satan is an enemy to you so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his followers that they may become companions of the blazing fire" (35:6).
BROTHERHOOD
Sermon: "Oh you people listen carefully. All the believers are brothers. You are not allowed to the things belonging to another Muslim unless he give it to you willingly."
Quran: "Believers are but brothers so set things right between your brothers and fear God so that you may find mercy" (49: 1 0).
SUPERIORITY IS ONLY IN PIETY AND SUBMISSION
Sermon: "Oh people, no one is higher than the other unless he is higher in obedience to God. No Arab is superior to a non-Arab except in piety."
Quran:"The most honored among you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you and God has full knowledge and is will acquainted (with all things)" (49:134). "Who can be better in religion than he who submits his whose self to God, does good and follows the ways of abraham for God did take Abraham for a friend" (4:125).
IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL WE MUST OBEY BOTH GOD AND HIS MESSENGER
Sermon: "Oh people, reflect on my words. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example and if you follow these, you will not fail."
Quran: "And obey God and the Messenger so that you may receive mercy" (3:132).
OBSERVE THE PILLARS OF ISLAM
Sermon: "Listen to me carefully. Worship God and offer prescribed prayer, observe fasting in the month of Ramadan and pay the poor-due."
Quran: "And establish the prescribed prayer, practice regular charity and bow down with those who bow down" (2:43). "Oh you who believe, fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you that you may learn self-restraint" (2:183).
shouldnt that be
Gods bless you!!!!!
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bro vik:
salaam….
1400 yrs ago, d definition of slaves ws diffrnt. nt only d muslims exercisd sex slaves bt ppl of othr faiths also did d same!!! actually slaves wer dos ppl who got defeatd during a war. wen women wer left n nt takn as slaves, they wer eithr raped, some tuk prostitution, some suicided cz their husbands, fathers, brothrs n their caretakers died during the war!!! thr wer no othr option left than 2 take dese women as slaves. ppl who tuk thm as slaves, provided d women vd shelter, food, clothng & provided thm vd evrythng dey needed. they usd 2 hlp thm n take care of thm js as a husband does 4 his wife so he had d right 2 hav sex vd hr bt again al did nt do dis. some left thm independent also
@maria
They will never believe you i also have been debating with them on other page dr zakir fraud exposed and i have been debating with 3 of them. all of them have lost the debate but they are still barking because they just dont wanna lose this debate. they are taking out if context hadnith and quranic verses from the books which are written against Islam and thats how they are fighting. it does not matter how convincing answer you give to them, they will never be conviced.
@Waqas
U said all of us lost, Waqas, listen u called agniveer liar since u didnt bleev that Arya samaj beat the allies of zakir naik in debate, now wot do u want to say about that? Waqas, our debate of sex slaves is still not done brother, I am still awaiting for a moral justification. Brother bleev me, If u provide me with a moral justification I will happily accept defeat and announce u as the winner, but brother u are ruunnning away which is not expected.
What really boggles me the most is How Can Maria Justify The Keeping Of Women As Sex-Slaves & Polygamy !!!!! How Can A Woman Even Imagine Sharing Her Spouse With Other(S).???????????????? I Tell You There Is A Big Technical Fault !!!! God Has Indeed Made Some Mistake !!!!!!!!!
bro aman:
salaam……
i blv evrythng dat has reasn n logic, bth polygamy n sex slaves hav genuine reasn dats y i blv bth of thm
@ maria
1.so what exactly is the logic to indulge in polygamy?
2.would you allow your husband to share his body with other women as per the tenets of islam?
3.Is keeping sex-slaves relevant in the 21st century?
@ bro arya:
god has provided ppl vd dat mch sense dat they can undrstand wen n whr 2 use their knowledge. i gav u a rsn y sex-slavery is nt relevent nw!! dat tym prophet Muhammad ws alive n he usd 2 gt revelations bt nw he is dead!!
@Aman
Namaste Aman
Aman, i been debating muslims for years but no one has given me moral justification on sex slavery or apostles, now all their logic deoesnt sound normal and doesnt form any basis for humanity. Islam is just a religion about sex, and brutality.
@vik
Brother you haven' got any moral justification coz' its simply not there!!
Even if you keep All the Scriptures of the world at bay and think like a normal human being, you wud find it impossible to justify these Disgusting Deeds.
Moreover, these people have swore to remain ignorant and continue practicing those Barbaric & senseless customs.!!! When all over the world we are talking about the uplifting of women, Maria has been justifying Sex-Slavery & Polygamy, since last couple of months! No wonder, Shah-Bano couldn't get justice!!!!!
I can understand that Muhammad easily fooled those illeterate Arabs 1400 yrs back & justified all his Lustful acts by saying that its Allah's dictat for me to do this!! But how can literate people who have all the knowledge of the world at the click of a button, follow this Blind Cult??????
Have these people ceased to be Humans that they can't even analyze b/w right & wrong???
@Aman
Brother very well said, I agree with u. The funny thing is that nor Waqas or Maria were able to give me any justifications on these sick deeds. I feel sorry for these muslims, I mean, how can muslims be clean and moral people when their religion is full of lust. On earth, the permision to have sex slaves, and in heaven, 72 virgins. Here muslim women wear their hijabs to prevent anyone looking at them when they themselves follow a relgion that authenticates sex in every manner. Think of child sex. Prophet had sex with a girl his grand daughter's age, I mean people think twice before having sex with someone ur daughters age, but prophet had no problem with a granddaughter age………wow. Finally, I agree, they cant justify these sick deeds, because wrong things cannot be justified. Aman, if all these things can be jusitified, then me killing thousands of innocent humans can also be justified with their logic LOL. As for Maria, I did not expect this from her, despite being a woman, I thot only a woman can understand woman, and even she supports sex slavery. She is really lucky that she is not born in those times, otherwise I would really ask her then, hey Maria, do u still support sex slavery?
@Aman
yes, your right, i dont know why muslims defend such things, I mean Aman, i hope u been watching my debate with Waqas, look at the stupid logics hes presenting, I mean muslims who validate pedophillia and sex slaves…………….no hope brother……………
@vik
why do you waste your energy for these idiots!!! we can channelize our positive energy for other good purposes instead of teaching these fools, who hv swore to remain ignorant!
for waqas, i agree why he defends islam!! afterall islam is the only religion where lust is given so much importance… waqas would definitely want to follow the footsteps of muhammad so that he can get loads of women to hv sex with, all in the name of allah!!!
but its the attitude of maria that has really shook me from inside… sometimes i feel somebody is playing counter-taqia with these people by posing as maria coz' any sensible or even most illeterate women won't agree with this these inhuman & disgusting things, unlike maria !!!! i doubt if maria is really a muslim!!! i mean, everyone knows about his/her weakness & strength… and a sensible person would definetely not hv discussion when he knows that he is on the wrong side!!!
even zakir nayak is that much sensible and that is the reason he is avoiding Agniveerji!!!!!
@Maria
Namaste Respected Sister,
I think no body in the world would agree that islam is a religion of peace, since that is no less than any joke.
Brother, I worship the one and only Paramatma who has various beautiful names. He is formless and omnipresent. He is beginningless and endless. He is all powerfull.
bro waqas:
assalaam-u-alaikum wr wb…….
u'r right evn iv gvn thm so many reasns bt they ntrpret d quranic verses as wel!!!! dey blv dat only d vedas n agniveer r d most honest thngs on earth!!!
@Maria
Namaste beloved sister Maria,
Maria, dear, how can u even think and justify that female sex slavery is right? Maria no matter how good or noble or genuine the reason is, do u think its right to keep female slaves, I mean every female slave must be someones daughter or sister, Maria its shameful that ur a wooman, and u think this way. U r lucky that ur not born in those days, otherwise GOD forbid that u might become a slave oneday too and u cant do anything since its order from ur quran. Maria, now u realized, that quran is not GOD's word, otherwise, why would GOD consider sex slaves, killings of apostles, 72 hookers in heavven, etc. Maria, Vedas, do not contain such sick desiires, I recommend return to ur ancestrral roots, Vedas. Ur fellow brother Waqas, couldnt even justify sex slavss and apostels, no muslim can ever justify these things, because wrong things can never me justified. We make fun of ur prophet and quran because we are 100% sure that they are fake, and fakes dont deserve respect.
@ Maria
Dear, are you done with your research to answer Brother Arya's questions?????????
@ TO ALL ZAKIR LOVERS
look at ur zakir naik getting knocked out by NDTV host Barka Dutt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBJdN1NmHI
vik bhai why not aagniveer cum up and openly debate with zakir on ndtv or wat ever atleast we muslims will cum to know abt the false concept abt zakir.it is abvious we muslims vil follow zakir untill not proven liar….that is y i want agniveer to cum up and tell us the actual truth so that we can remove zakir bahi….but problem is no one dares to talk in front of him……reply vik bhai?
Dear Brother Basit,
Herein i am putting up the links on which u can yourself view the correspondence b/w zakir nayak and arya samaj.
Since , he never agreed for a debate , arya samaj had no option than to put up the invitation on the web, so that everyone can see the false propagated by him.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8142696/Official-Challe...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aryasamajonline/mes...
so all this bullshit only cos of this person(zakir naik)…if u really had to settle scores with him go to his home and do your "debates" and bring out the truth there…..
The other day i saw a news report of swami nityananda doing all sort of obscene things with a heroine,so should i not say that hinduism is a joke.??!!?!?!!?
But i know that not all hindus are sex addicts and this attitude is needed in this debate which is don't see in any body. All i see is religions being bashed.
Remember,Islam is not limited to a person….if u do want to debate, do read the whole quran by its context, else what you'll get is the weird sentences like "kill the kafirs",which obviously will boil non-believers hearts…if u are so much concerned about Islam being fake then let it be…why don't you preach your religion and see if it reaches at least half way around the world. idiotic debates like these, where people don't come to terms with friendly queries but throw piles of rubbish at each other,dont respect each other for whatever religion they believe are nothing but a waste of time.
And yeah this whole thing of "why allah is not punishing me now"…..its like 12 year olds fighting like "main mummy ko boldiya ab teri pitaayi hogi"…lol,cut some slack and be mature!,maria has told whatever she had to and you had a choice to believe it or to discard it.baat khatam.
to the one who askd me y muslims dont respect women n they kill female child n al:
1stly i wud lyk 2 say dat only 12% of india's population r muslims n evryday 300 female foetus r killd n aborted in hospitals n at homes. so wat do u ahv 2 say abt dat?? if d population of muslims is js 12% thn it is impossible 4 muslims 2 kill n abort 300 female child n foetuses!! dis simply proves dat ppl of othr faith r indulgd in dis activity!! u ppl accuse ISLAM of permittng child marriage, y dont u al thnk abt d remote areas of tamil nadu, rajasthan, assam n nagaland whr child marriage, aborting n killing female child n foetus, sati, burning women alive 4 dowry etc r stil in practice!!
@Maria
Well said SDC. Maria look at the book and not at the people's practice; Zakir MBBS always use this statement in his live Q&A sessions. So if you support him you better follow his guidelines too.
SDC can definitely educate other people against the ill of child marriage , but its really impossible to educate islamic followers who consider a paedophile as a prophet.
Dear Sister, instead of such digressions aimed at personal level, why not simply provide objective answers to questions discussed in article. For example you gave justification of sex-slavery and polygamy and inferior rights to women by stating that sex-slavery enhances status of women, polygamy brings dignity to women and that women are inferior to men in intellect. We are compiling your views to showcase to world how Islam affects the mindsets of its women-followers. Kindly provide such insights on other points as well.
@maria
Namaste didi.
Yes, we acknowledge that this was and still is happening in some part of India. But we all are working to eradicate these in humane practices by educating people.
We never recognize them as a religious thing. Please try to understand.
We are next to those crazy psycho's who don't believe Qoran is God's word
oh ya, Bechara prophet muhammed has came to India and copied vedas which were in sanskrit. or don't you think he learnt Sanskrit and translated them into Arabi? Yeah, you can even prove that.
@maria
Namaste sister maria,
we dont judge the nature of other human beings, they are free to do wotever they wish, its GOD who will make their souls pay for their evil or wrong doings. But atlease our religion doesnt tell them to kill or execute gays or lesbians for such stupid reasons?
Y dont u look at the insane things done in saudi arabia,,,,,,,,,,,where a woman is given 100 lashes if she commits a sin. An average woman can die after 30 lashes and yet ur stupid law demands for 100>>>>>
@maria
namaste sister
Quran hardly contains good things, its more of a sexual reliigion, sex slaves on earth, and virgins in heaven…..indeed looks like the authors of quran were very lustfull.
@maria
namaste sister,
I challenge you to give a single verse from Quran, which you think is unmatched by any verse of Vedas. If you could do so, I shall leave Vedas. If you agree, I shall give you the verses from Vedas which I feel are unmatched by any verse of Quran. If I could do so, you will leave Quran. Do you accept the challenge?
Dear Maria, Please refer the articles on this site on Vedic view on gay-lesbian. The law got passed because we are being governed by short-sighted materialistic people with uncontrollable instincts. India unfortunately is not being governed by Vedic principles. This is one issue where we both have same viewpoint, but perhaps for different reasons. Same is true for other issues like vulgarity, nude depiction of women, betting cartels like IPL etc etc. We appreciate one thing in Muslim countries – that women are not highlighted by media as objects for pleasure. That is not so in India. The same Muslims in India become tools of sexual exploitation from both side – actors like so many Khans that rule Bollywood, heroines like the Zeenat Amans and Shabana Azmis, story writers like Salims and Javed Akhtars, producers like Nadiadwalas and Durranis etc etc. Not that Hindus are not involved in Bollywood. In fact we believe that all persons relating to film industry of this sort are disgrace in name of humanity. No word mincing about that. But its unfortunate that Bollywood in India is dominated by Muslims and still among most vulgar industries. I would have expected that positive aspects of Islam are brought to fore at least in this realm.
So dont worry, we are all against such stupidities and do our best to combat these. Perhaps the reasons differ.
I think you can refer to "History of the Arabs" by Philip K. Hitti.
@truthseeker
brother, Vedas believe in reincarnation. Thus anyone born with defect, did something in his past life/lives, due to which, he is punished. Same applies for innocent people.
That's a very strange concept. Are there any proofs to support this theory?
Without learning or understanding the theory, I don't want to jump into finding flaws. I would like to know it from Vedas as well as from the logical point of view. If you have it explained elsewhere, links would be sufficient.
@truthseeker
Read Satyarth Prakash and rigvedadi bhashya bhoomika by Swami Dayanand on http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org
Dear truthseeker,
Namaste.
It seems to be a strange concept for the Abrahmic faith followers, but in Vedic Dharma, it has a very special status and required to understand the very basic questions of life like Who I am?, Why I am here?, What happens when one die? etc etc… It is not just a belief system, but, a complete science which remarkably explains why there are geniouses? Child Prodigy, Phobias etc etc.
A tremendous amount of research has been done (still going on) on the theory of Reincarnation in University of Virginia, by Prof. Ian Stevenson and his team. Please see the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson .
Please go through the you tube videos (1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWwzFwUOxA&fe...
(2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5965wcH2Kx0&fe...
(3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSrzpLoODo&fe...
(watch all the 5 parts)
@Arya
So, that essentially means, people born with defects and those who are suffering more than what they really deserve have done sins in their past life. But, at the same time, the person/soul doesn't know what was its past life and what sins it committed then. So, isn't it really painful for them when they feel that they are being punished without knowing what was the crime that they did?
@truthseeker
brother, ur fate in islam is far more painful since allah has randomly written our fate and we cant do anything about it, at least in this religion, we can work for the betterment of our status in next life.
Allah has written my fate since he knew what I would do in this world with the limited free will that he has given me. Allah is All-knowing and hence he knows what I would do or not do. I don’t understand what is painful here.
@truthseeker
No its not the case brother. Refer to Quran [32:13], which says-
If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together”
When I have destined to fulfill Allah’s writing, how do I have free will? And what was the need of writing all these stuff in Lohe Mehfooz? Was not Allah confident on His memory??? If you dont see any problem in this, you certainly have problem within yourself!
The problem is certainly with your understanding. See the commentary of the verse [32:13] by Yusuf Ali : “If it had been His Will and Plan, He could have created a world in which there would
have been no choice or will in any of His creatures. But that was not His Will and
Plan. In the world as we see it, man has a certain amount of choice and free will.
That being so, He has provided Signs and means of instruction for man, in order
that man’s will may be straight and pure. A necessary corollary will be Punishment
for the infractions of His Law. That Punishment must come to pass, for Allah’s
Word is true and must be fulfilled”
But Allah has willed that men shall be free especially in regard to matters of belief and disbelief. Allah Almighty says, “Say: The truth is from your Lord; so let whosoever will believe, and let whosoever will disbelieve.” (Al-Kahf: 29)
Why LoheMahfooz?
Belief in Qadar makes a person persist in his adherence to the straight path, so that he is not reckless at times of ease, and does not fall into despair when calamity strikes, for he knows that everything good that happens to him comes from Allah, and is not because of his intelligence or good planning.
And when trials and tribulations befall a person, he knows that this is happening by the decree of Allah, as a test from Him, so he does not panic or despair, rather he seeks the reward of Allah and bears it with patience, and this faith brings contentment and tranquility to the heart of the believer.
@truthseeker
What is Alla’s word? He will fill the hell with Jinns and men together! What do you say about that? When the verse clearly says that Allah did not show everyone, the right path, how is free will coming into the picture? It is evident that some have been guided and some are strayed, here is the proof
Quran[16:93]-If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases.
What do you say now?
If Allah set us free in the matters of belief then why are there verses in Quran talking of fighting by sword until Islam is accepted by everyone?
Why Lohe Mehfooz?
Read Quran [32:13] and [16:93] and then talk of any free will. And I asked about need of writing Lohe Mehfooz, not why should we believe in it!
Questions are many. Why did Allah create us? Why did He change his nature of being alone? Islam can not answer these questions brother.
Come to Vedic Dharm of your ancestors.
It means the evildoers and evil jinns will certainly be put to hell.
Whether FreeWill exists or not?
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In various verses of the Quran a phrase “yahdee man yashao” or “yahdee man yureedu” (22:16) appears which is commonly translated as “He (Allah) guides those whom He Wills” [2:142, 2:213; 2:272, 6:88, 10:25, 14:4, 16:93, 24:46, 28:56, 35:8, 39:23, 74:31].This begets confusions in many minds that if guidance depends upon Allah’s Will, then there is nothing one can do about it. There is no use of making any effort to attain guidance- When Allah shall Will, we will be guided. If Allah shall not Will, we cannot attain guidance no matter how much we strive for it.
Although the phrase “yahdee man yashao” is usually translated as “He guides those whom He Wills”, it is perfectly correct, according to the Arabic Grammar, to translate this phrase as “He guides those who will (to be guided)”. eg: translation by Muhammad Asad “(16:93) For, had God so willed, He could surely have made you all one single community; however, He lets go astray him that wills [to go astray], and guides aright him that wills [to be guided];”.
In our daily life, we make friends whom we will, we go to places where we will, we read books which we will and so on and so forth. When we make such statements or implicitly have such things in mind, does that mean we make such choices randomly or blindly. Certainly not, in our usual practice. Although we do whatever we will, but there are always some inexplicit criteria in our minds which governs our choice.
Now what about Allah; when He says in the Quran “He guides whom He wills”. Are there any principles, laws, rules or criteria according to which Allah guides or there is no such thing? If there are some criteria, are they explicitly told by Allah so that we could fulfill those criteria to attain guidance or has He kept these criteria inexplicit? If these are inexplicit, then again there is nothing that we can do; we shall have to wait passively until Allah Wills to guide us.
When we see, in the Quran, the verses related about the guidance (huda), we come to know that there are, in fact, some criteria explicitly given in the Quran according to which Allah guides. These criteria are given in the following:
Allah guides unto Himself who turns to Him (time after time, time and time again) [42:13]
Allah guides all who seek His approval to ways of peace and safety [5:16]
Those who believe, and work righteousness, – their Lord will guide them because of their faith [10:9]
…Allah does not let go people astray except those who themselves depart from the right way ( Fasiqeen) [2:26]
How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? …[3:86]
If you call them to guidance, they will not obey: For you it is the same whether you call them or you hold your peace! [7/193]
…Allah does not guide those who do not put things in the right perspective (Zaalimeen).[3/86]
“So when they turned away (from the Path of Allah) Allah turned their hearts away (from the Right Path) and Allah guides not the people who are fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).” [16:35]
So we see that Allah misguides those wrongdoers who are truly misguided by their own actions that they willingly chose to commit. Allah is omniscient and therefore knows in advance what their FREE WILLED actions will be.
These verses are also a reminder to the Muslims that it was Allah(swt) who guides them and they should not be overcome by arrogance/proud of being in the true path and should not look down upon non Muslims (since they might also be guided by Allah(swt) in future).
Pls mention the verse where one should fight by sword until Islam is accepted.
I read somewhere that LoheMahfooz contains the instructions to the angels (ie the angels carry out the orders of Allah (swt) from LoheMahfooz) as well as the original copies of the revealed texts as well. Do you think Lohe Mehfooz is a writing like our textbooks? Why do you want to condemn it?
I cannot answer the remaining questions. The purpose of our creation and the way to live is clearly explained. Also,do you think we will be able to understand the divine wisdom of Allah (swt). Why should Allah (swt) reveal all his wisdom to humans ? And I cannot answer on behalf of Allah(swt). Allah (swt) knows best.
@truthseeker
Brother, if you take the above meanings of those verses then that is fine. But can you show any such meanings of these verses in any Tafsir before 100-150 years from now? Can you also tell me that how could a former Austrian Jew Muhammad Asad, find such new meanings of Arabic verses, which were hidden for almost 1400 years? Was he an Arabic expert more than the Arabs themselves?
Quran [8:39]-”And fight them until sedition, idolatry, is, exists, no more and religion is all for God, alone, none other being worshipped; then if they desist, from unbelief, surely God sees what they do, and will requite them for it”
Islam believes in the concept of “Taqdeer”. Please ask your scholars about it. In short, Allah has written everyone’s fate in a gigantic book called Lohe Mehfooz, and we act as per these writings. No one can go against Lohe Mehfooz. I just want to know that what was the need of writing it? Why did Allah not write all good for everyone so that nobody could commit sins?
Remaining questions can be answered by Vedic philosophy. I am not asking you to answer on behalf of Allah! But just like you tried to answer the other questions, why dont you think for these questions too? Or you even need not to give answer to any of my question by your logic of “I cant answer on behalf of Allah”, because whatever I asked, it was on Quran and for you Quran is from Allah. You could have simply said, I cant answer on behalf of Allah regarding His book!
Vedas say that souls and matter were never created. Thus there are three eternal entities which exist are God, soul, and matter. The purpose of God is to give souls, the opportunities to work such that they can achieve Him, which is the source of ultimate bliss. Eeshvar never changes His nature because He is perfect and there cant be any change possible in a perfect being. He has been creating the universe from beginningless time and will continue to do so for eternity.
Please think about it brother. May Eeshvar show us right path.
@truthseeker
brother, u dont get the point, Allah has willed for me to become a kafir and to fill up men like me in hell so i cannot do anything about it, this makes allah biased towards me. Brother, take my advice, reject this false scripture called the Quran. It is nothing but a manual of lust and terrorism.
Had it been a manual of ‘lust and terrorism’, I would have rejected it for sure. But, if you understand properly, Quran is against those.
@truthseeker
You even justified sex with slaves. Muhammad justified rape of women by his men. You have a different level of morality than your ancestors. That is why you are defending the religion of those invaders, who took away your ancestors as slaves, raped them and made you so dumb to even justify the rape and loot of his own mothers and motherland.
@ Arya,
I do justify sex with slaves but not rape. Relax brother. Who told you that my ancestors were taken as slaves and raped them? I am from Kerala. Please show me which ruler did all this to the people of Kerala. Islam in Kerala started in the 7th century itself. Have you heard of Chakravarthi Farmas (aka Cheraman Perumal ) who became Muslim. He is also said to have witnessed the splitting of the moon. The Cheraman perumal juma masjid is the oldest mosque in India.
I don’t understand how can conversions happen through sword and rape. Such actions only create more hatred in the people towards the religion and the converts would only be outwardly following that religion. They will never follow the religion by heart nor would they try to spread the religion to others. The moment sword is lifted, they convert back for sure. I am sure that my great grand fathers reverted wholeheartedly, coz they were very pious indeed.
Also I don’t justify if any Muslim rulers have looted or raped anywhere. I don’t know whether such stories are either true or not.
@truthseeker
Brother I wrote that Muhammad justified rape, not you.
Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3373:
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl (coitus interruptus) with them. We then asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born.
In the above hadith, Muhammad clearly allows his men to rape the captive women. And he himself raped Rehana when she refused to become his wife. what do you say about these incidents?
OK. So this was not happened with Keralites. Do you know about Moplah rebellion? If not read about it carefully and then ask yourself what happened to Keralites. Anyway, even if it did not happen to the people of Kerela, it happened to rest of the subcontinent. Were not those Hindus your brothers and their mothers like your mothers?
I would suggest you to read Babarnaama, written by Mughal king Babar, in which he proudly proclaims that he wiped off Kufra from so and so lands with his sword. Today’s Pakistan, Afganistan are the places where Muslim rulers dominated the most. Jijiya was yet another reason for the conversion. Dont forget about the assassination of Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Guru Teg Bahadur Ji, Bhai Mati Das Ji, Bhai Sati Das Ji, Banda Vairagi and many more such religious leaders of Hindu communities. Those rulers even killed the boys of 10 or 12 like sons of Guru Govind Singh Ji and Hakikat Rai, for their refusal to accept Islam.
I ask you, if in Muslim rule, religious leaders of other faiths were killed with such brutality, how could the common people remain safe?
“I don’t know whether such stories are either true or not.” Now u amaze me. Have u not heard of muslim conquistadors Timur the lane, Nadir Shah, Ahmad Shah Durrani, etc. who only looted, plundered, murdered, caused mayhem and destruction whereever they went. U are at liberty not to believe in these stories, coz I understand the embarassment it will cause u.
The underlying meaning is that allah is not being just as he is displaying a certain degree of partiality.
@truthseeker
namaste brother,
Please compare Islamic philosophy and Vedic philosophy on this issue. Vedas say that whatever one gets, whether joy or sorrow, is always due to his own deeds. But Islam says, one gets happiness and sorrow because Allah has written it in Lohe Mehfooz and He has created some, to kill and some to be killed. Now you compare which one is more painful? I may not remember the deed, but certainly, by seeing effect, I shall think of a cause because Eeshvar is just. It is same as if some insect bites me while sleeping, and when I wake up, I find some rashes on the skin or feel pain but no insect. But certainly, I know that someone has bitten me even if I did not see the insect. This is known as cause effect relationship in Vedic philosophy, in which, effect tells you about the cause.
You are welcome to discuss more on this issue brother.
In Islam , the life on earth(which is less than 0.001% of the life in hereafter) is a test. When you see someone in sorrow and others in joy, it doesn’t mean that Allah has favoured one over the other. They are being tested. Suppose I am a righteous person and still if I’m experiencing many hardships, I don’t have to think that I did some wrong in the past life, rather I should know that Allah is testing me temporarily and if I show patience, he shall reward me in the Hereafter.
In reincarnation, you have to assume that you have done some wrong. In the insect example you showed, you are able to use your intellect to find the reason for the same. But, how do you find the wrongs that you have done in the past life? This is punishment without showing the cause. There is clear lack of natural justice. Also, doesn’t it giv the license for rich people to believe that the poor and destitute were some sort of criminals in their past life. IF so, why should I help them?
@truthseeker
Brother go and get some basics of maths clear before writing about %age! Muslims claim hell or heaven is forever and hence for infinite time! So, how does the concept of 0.001% come into the picture? Dont you know that any finite number has no significance in comparison to infinity? Or you accept that heaven or hell are not forever? If so, you are no longer a Muslim!
I could not understand who is being tested in this whole process? Is not Allah confident about his own writing? If he has already decided our fate, where is the test? Rather it is the test of Allah, whether His writing is fulfilled or not!
Can you talk about justice or injustice till you believe a God who has created us with no purpose? Why did he create us? You see lack of justice in reincarnation, which says that whatever you get, its all due to your own deeds and you claim your judgment perfect in which Allah randomly chose some to send to hell so that He can fill the hell! (See Quran 32:13 to know more).
You yourself accept cause effect relationship between deeds and fruits and that is why Quran recommends hell for wrong doers and heaven for the nobles. Then why do you deny the fruits of present as the effect of past deeds?
I said “LESS than 0.001%”. I know we can’t compare infinity to any number, but you know what I tried to imply.
Allah has pre knowledge doesn’t mean that we are not tested. Are you saying that God doesn’t have knowledge of what a soul would or would not do?
Who said we are not created without purpose? The purpose of our creation is to do “Ibadah” or worship. This does not mean prayers alone. It means obedience to God that encompass every human action.
Please refer to my previous post as to why I cannot believe in reincarnation.
Also, I heard that Vedas don’t say anything about reincarnation. If so, from where did you get this concept?
@truthseeker
No I dont know what did you try to imply. Get it clear first then try to explain me. If you actually say this time of world as Zero in comparison to hereafter, which certainly is, this is biggest unjust to give infinite punishment for no deeds!
I know Eeshvar knows, what can we do. But in my thinking, He only knows, he has not forced me to do the things as per his knowledge. Quran tells Allah as the One, whose will is behind every act, which is evident from Quran [32:13] and [16:93].
I asked about purpose of Allah behind the creation, not of us! When we were not there at all, who needed Ibadah? Why did not create Allah before?
This is the problem that you have heard only. You should read Vedas yourself and then make conclusions. I proved in my previous replies that you have no logic to discard reincarnation. Vedas clearly talk about reincarnation. Do you want proofs?
I don’t think disbelief in Allah is a finite sin. If suppose you were to live on earth eternally, would you still believe in Allah (swt). ?
I don’t understand your questions..Too philosophical it seems. Don’t expect me to answer on behalf of Allah (swt).
Please take your own time and bring all the sufficient proofs from Vedas.
@truthseeker
Dont non Muslims convert to Islam? If disbelief is an infinite sin, how can a non Muslim (who has been committing infinite sins for years) even after converting to Islam can go to heaven?
Suppose there were two atheists, who used to criticize Islam. One day, one of them died. So he would go to hell as per Quran. Now after one year, the second one, through some incident suddenly realized that God exists and then he converted to Islam. It happens many a times, we all witness such changes in our lives. Now he follows Islam completely and shall go to heaven as per Quran.
In the above example, second atheist got opportunity because he lived more. Dont you think that if we get another chance, we will have more opportunity to understand the truth?
What will you do if I show the proofs of reincarnation from Vedas?
@truthseeker
Jhatka style is least painful, as it takes hardly a moment to kill an animal. Instead of believing Zakir in these issues, go to any doctor and ask him.
@truthseeker
Brother, I wrote only about pain, as you said that halal is least painful. Halal is the most torturing style of slaughtering, and Zakir Naik just fools the muslims by these lies.
Dear brother, new researches have disproven this. Please visit site of islamveg.com
@truthseeker
if indeed the halal slaughter is not painful according to u or zakr naik "so called doctor" , at times i heard people say the animal moans in pain while being slaughtered, the why does the animal moan? The sad part is u do this in the name of religoin, u proudly chant allah's name as if ur doing a great deed by killing an innocent animal and moreover u do these things infront of little kids and allow them to watch this graphical disturbance. No, wonder when muslim kids grow up, they dont hesistate to kill especailly when they become jihadis.
@truthseeker
many times the translators misinterpret the text, but anyway, I dont want to comment on the shloka, until I see it.
@truthseeker
you did not tell that why do you need to bow to an omnipresent God when He is also in your heart?
There is no concept of omnipresent God in Islam. Bowing down is one of the best ways to show submission. How do you explain omnipresence of God? Does it mean that God occupies all the space except the matter. There are many filthy things on Earth, does God exist there also?
@truthseeker
God is omnipresent like space. Please remember, this space is not “Aasmaan”of Quran, which is made firm on pillars, rather it is the free place where all other objects reside. This space is omnipresent and lives inside everything. Same is the case with God. And He can not get impure by any “filthy” thing just like there is no effect on space of any dirtiness whatsoever.
Anyway, brother, if Gos is not omnipresent, He is confined within some boundaries. Do you think it is good to worship a “confined” God? And what is the problem if God is omnipresent? Do you think “filth” for us is “filth” for God too? Is He afraid of getting filthy? Can anyone make God impure? If that be so, why did He create filth?
brother vik,
Please refer to the points I gave before.
And ur mentor, Zakir Naik has problems with hindus who indulge in idol worship. In the same breath, it can be said that u will never accept our ideology no matter how logical it may sound.
@truthseeker
Moreover, Swami Dayanand did not hammer any idol or praise any terrorist for doing so. He advised people to think rationally, but he neither heart the sentiments of people by breaking the idols nor he killed the idol worshipers. But Zakir defends those invaders, who broke idols and also he is a supporter of Talibans, who blew out the Buddha idols.
Please provide proof that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) killed the idol worshippers other than in wars. Dayanand has also written many baseless things against Islam, Christianity etc in his book. Wasn’t he hurting the sentiments of people of other faith.? The idols in Kaaba were destroyed coz it was the Sacred House and the site for Hajj. So it had to cleansed of the false gods.
@truthseeker
then why are Zakir Naik and other mullahs taking shelter of science to prove Quran best? Why every scientific fact is discovered by Zakir and co. in Quran?
@truthseeker
this mathematics has nothing to do with book of God. Many mathematician do form such puzzles and entertain the readers. You were asked to show the verses which talks about spherical shape of earth and its revolution around sun, which you have not yet given!
@truthseeker
There is no such verse in Vedas that authenticates a woman to be thrown in fire or to remain unmarried forever. In fact, Vedas command the woman to live life again with a new partner. All this crap is made up by muslims do defame Vedas.
Name a few countries where women outnumber men?
i can send u the stats of each country where majority of the countries or almost all of them have more men, so dont u think polyandry would be a better option?
if polyandry is socially unfit, then so is polygamy, how would u react if ur dad had multiple wives besides ur mother and ask ur mother how would she feel?
Brother, I did not say Vedas authenticated it. The issues which widows faced like sati, prohibition of remarriage were all present in Hindu society. From which scriptures did Hindus got such practices (maybe Puranas or Upanishads)? If a girl doesn't want her husband to have multiple wives, she has the option of mentioning it in the marriage contract. If a man is going to marry a second time against the wish of his first wife, then I'm against it, but if his first wife agrees to it, then I don't see any problem.
@truthseeker
Brother, just because a woman agrees to let her husband marry another woman, doesnt mean its right. Nowadays, some women who are too modern wont even mind if her husband is having an affair, now u tell me since she doesnt mind, is it morally right?
Having an external affair is a totally different case and hence not allowed. Whereas in a marriage, there is protection, sustenance, rights etc given to women. There is nothing immoral here.
@truthseeker
Brother, please go through the following articles on this site and find the protection and rights given to women. http://agniveer.com/muslim-wife-concubine/ http://agniveer.com/islam-and-women-rights/ http://agniveer.com/i-am-a-muslim-woman/
@truthseeker
ur entire religion is messed up, why did allah not make 4 eves for 1 adam instead of one man one woman??? So do u mean to say after muhummads arrival, allah changed his mind?? This shows he is imperfect, which is not a divine attribute. Why cant a musim woman marry four men??? Why this discrimination? Muslims like u justify polygamy saying that in some countries women outnumber men, but how about the other side of the coin, when its reverse? Why cant u recommend polyandry????? Its sad u have all got half baked stories to defend ur stupid claims
It seems messed up to you bcoz u learn from the wrong sites. Before jumping into ascerting that Allah is imperfect, you need to understand that the life on earth is nothing when compared to the eternal life after death. Every imperfectness which you see here will be compensated in the Hereafter justly.
@truthseeker
Giving infinite punishment for finite deeds is just! You yourself say that life here is nothing compared to the life after death. Then why will Allah punish a Kafir for his negligible sins (performed in negligible time) by giving him an eternal pain? And compensation itself means that one may not get justice here!
There are many people who are not getting justice here in their lifetime…..
Now let us suppose the temporary life here to be eternal. Will the Kafir(one who has rejected the truth after clear signs have come to him) believe in Allah at any point of time. To me, disbelief in Allah and worshipping something else is an infinite sin.
@truthseeker
There are very few places where women have outnumbered men. Allah should have given guidelines for the situation which remains most of the time and not for the rare situation. What about those countries (including Pak, Saudi Arabia) in which men are more?
If you accept polygamy, why not polyandry? I know the reasons for immorality of both polygamy and polyandry. One marriage at a time is the best solution to all problems. In vedas, re marriage is allowed for those, who have lost their partners, and one widow and one widower can chose each other for this purpose.
Brother, muhammad played those tricks to tame those illeterate and barbaric arabs.
there is a very common phenomenon of Bhoot in indian villages. and many people believe it but that doesn' means that it is authentic. its the illeterate people who believe those things.
same was the case with arabs, muhammad tried his level best to tame them with his limited knowledge( as he was an illeterate) and there might have some people who wud have questioned him so he played these tricks of stone crying & breaking of moon in order to prove them that he is indeed messenger of god .
and every social reformer has his/her negative traits but that doesn't belittle their positive contribution. and this goes for muhammad as well. but the problem is that even educated muslims like you start believing it to be a orders of god
same is the case with the birth of jesus. imagine if today, a spinster gets pregnant and she claims that she is still a virgin! no one will believe her coz' everybody knows about copulation.
but in that era when people didn't had access to this knowledge, they believed it.
Its actually your concept. Souls passing from animals and taking rebirth in man and again taking rebirth and all that stuff. So, you guys might know it well.
and what is ur concept, to claims things as true even if they may not have any scientific basis!!!
And what is the scientific basis for reincarnation?
@truthseeker
why dont u google search it, u will find so many scientists agreeing with reincarnations infact there were books written on this topic by american and british scientists even though they werent hindus
Im not sure if jhatka is less painful than halal or not. Need to look into the scientific aspect behind it.
@truthseeker
If you did not know the scientific aspect behind pain in halal or jhatka then why did you claim blindly that halal is less painful?
I haven't heard of any other method better than halal so far.
@truthseeker
so your logic is that whatever is being followed/reached by majority, is from God. Then non muslims are more than muslims and they do not follow Quran, it means that Quran can not be God's revelation. By the way, how many muslims know arabic and can read Quran?
There are 99% people in the world who dont speak truth, dont do noble deeds, it means 1% truthful people are wrong!
bro arya:
u r wrong. 99% muslims know how 2 read quran
@truthseeker
1)brother, If Allah is all knowing and everywhere, why does he want u to follow a certain direction, is he not powerfull enought to detect ur prayers from any corner of the earth? When we meditate, we dont require any direction like the kaaba to face, because we know Ishwar is everywhere and all knowing.
2)If salaat is still vaild, then what is the need for Kaaba? Will Allah be extra pleased if u look towards the black stone?
3)brother, all i have to say, as long as the kaaba is associated in ur salaats, for wotever reason whether its concentration, whether is for direction, whether its to please Allah, U will remain Idolators. Because Even an average hindu doesnt consider his idols GOD, and he tells us that he only uses it for concentration. Even sikhs are idolators when they bow before their Guru Granth Sahib. My point is that everyone is an idolator in one way or the other, but u guys just prefer ur way of idol worship. Only Vedic Followers are true Idolators because we meditate by a scientific process called yoga to align our mind, body and sould
4)Brohter, bowing down can only be done to concrete things like kings humans emperors. But ur allah is claimed to be formless, so how can u bow to him? U guys bow before the Kaaba hence its idol worship again because u need a solid depictoin to bow down before something and u use the kaaba for it. Brother, a formless GOD can only be meditated upon, now bowed. I hope I made myself clear.
@truthseeker
1. We muslims! Brother, I think you are an Indian, and definitely share common ancestors with us. Which centuries are you talking about? Your ancestors were Vedic followers and not Arabs, please remember that.
2. Brother think again why do you bow? To show respect. To whom? To the one, who is in front of you, is not it? Now tell me when God is omnipresent, then He is inside you as well, then how can you bow in front of him? Moreover, when you bow, you actually insult God by showing your back to God, since he is present in the back side also!
In case of Vedas, we dont need to bow down to any direction because Eeshvar is present everywhere and we need not to show respect to just one part (which is in front of us) of Him.
Please think logically before commenting on it brother.
@truthseeker
Did Aisha has option to write anything in the marriage contract? Question is not here what do you support or reject. Question is that Quran and Hadith allow sex slavery which is definitely against the will of girl.
No, we believe Allah is perfect. He knows what is best at different points of time. The scriptures that came after Quran are all man made. But, that's not the case with Quran.
Now, why should I disprove Vedas from being a divine revelation?. Even, if its a divine revelation, it doesn't contradict anything. Becoz Quran says messengers of Allah were send to every nation and scriptures were send to them.
Please tell me why shouldn't Allah create an immortal soul ?
In all the revelations, the basic message has always been the same. But the scriptures got corrupted by time. Just, look at one of the later revelations, the Bible itself has got contradictions and man made laws.
@truthseeker
can u tell me what was the first revelation sent by Allah? I mean at the time of Adam or Noah???? Torah was sent at Musa, so Torah cant be the first, so can u kindly tell me what was the first??
Even Quran has contradictions but u just dont accept them.
We don't know what was the first revelation. That's not important here. We know that the core message has always been the same in all revelations.
There are many verses in the Quran which are relevant to the context. Once you understand the context well, you don't see anything wrong.
Please read the following verses from Surah Aal Imran .
3:7] It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muúammad], the Book;
in it are verses [that are] precise – they are the foundation of the
Book – and others unspecific.98 As for those in whose hearts is
deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific,
seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them].
And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those
firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our
Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding,
3:8]. [Who say], "Our Lord, let not our hearts deviate after You have
guided us and grant us from Yourself mercy. Indeed, You are
the Bestower.
@truthseeker
Why did Allah create us? And why did not Allah protect his previous revelations from getting corrupted? If his previous revelations were corrupted, then why can not Quran be corrupted? Is Quran Allah's favorite book? Why did Allah write everything in Loh e Mehfooz? What was the need? Why did he write sorrow in some people's fate and joy for others?
I Quit……
1. Not as much as men. Not even 10 %
2. Have you heard of situations where men are finding no girls to marry?
3. Polygamy is feasible, and like the analogy I made, it is to be practiced ONLY WHEN REQUIRED, when no other solution exists.
4. Revelations were send before Quran.
Revelations were sent before the Quran, but why not the Quran in the first place? Was Allah compiling the Quran all this while?
And have u heard of situations where women have found no men to marry? If I could be enlightened in this respect.
Yes, the verse of polygamy was revealed after the Uhud invasion. Many women lost their husbands in the Uhud war. And the number of Muslim men were only few in number.
Other situation is that which prevailed in Germany and other European countries after the Second World War. Hope this is enough
@truthseeker
And what to do when men are more than women, which is the case with almost every country of the world and almost for every times? Why does not Quran solve this problem, when it provides the solution for the rare cases like of Uhud war, which occur once in hundreds of years?
Not even 10% of men, maybe in some smaller wars, but what about the major wars, viz. the American Civil War, the Chinese Civil War, World Wars 1 and 2, the Vietnam War, Partition of India-Pakistan, Ugandan Civil War, Afghanistan conflict, Arab-Israeli conflict, etc. (the list is very long, btw). If u could shed some light here as well?
Thats why I said the permission of the first wife should be taken before marrying the second. And also it should be practiced only when necessary. For eg: when one has a sick or infertile wife, he can chose to marry a second keeping the first wife as well.
@truthseeker
Were the wives also asked before keeping sex slaves? Please go to the articles related to Women in Islam on the site and discover the true Islam through Quran, hadith, and Seerat.
@truthseeker
Does it imply that whatever you have not heard can not be better?
The first time I heard the statement "Islam is the only religion which shows how to kill an animal by giving it the least pain" was from a Hindu prof. Ramaswamy during an award function. That was when I was in 10th. Now, the above statemnt have been said by many others as well. Has anyone scientifically proved Jhatka is better? Now, lets assume Jhatka is slightly less painful than Halal slaughter. Still then, it is unhygienic. So the best method goes to the Halal way.
@truthseeker
You would like to go through the site below, run by muslims only, and discover, what many muslims have to say about non veg and halal! http://www.islamveg.com/
By the way, you first claimed halaal to be least painful as Zakir Bhai MBBS says and now you have changed your stand!
A true GOD NEVER NEEDS PROPHETS. ALL MIS-ARGUMENTS BY MARIA SHOWS SHE IS HIGHLY BRAIN-WASHED. Wish her a good life where she could think freely & independently with need of any Prophet of God. GOD & GOD's KNOWLEDGE IS FREE of so called prophetical interpretations like M's.
As you are a truthseeker, please search more on this topic by yourself, and do not belive whatever one says. In a Vedic Dharma, you are allowed to challenge evrything and if it fits to your rationality, then and then accept it. There are many videos about Reincarnation out there.
You can also search on Near Death Experience on internet.
I think this must be sufficient for initiation.
I know it goes against your faith, but, truth is truth. Please open your mind with the light of truth.
@gopal….
m i brain-washed or r u?? thnk twice!!!!!!!!!!
suno suno baba , Maria behen bolee hain…
Sister, we were missing u ! Pls give us ur insights on other articles as well. don't limit urself to zakir naik page
@Maria
namaste sister,
I am waiting for the replies to my questions asked way back. That time you wrote that you are doing research to find the answers. Just asking sister, are you done with your research? If yes, then please enlighten us with that too, as brother Aman said, we are waiting for your comments!
I am also waiting for Sister Maria's comment.
I like the way she reply to these comments.
Please sister, reply soon.
the topic shold be changed as why non-muslim hate zakir naik so much…..
@Ziyan
guess, what, it was muslims that got zakir naik banned in indian cities like Lucknow, and moreover, non muslims dont issue fatwas, it was the muslims who issued the fatwas, so now u tell me who hates zakir more?
My compassion for Ziyan has increased, because of his ignorance !!
Anyways, Everybody has a right to remain Ignorant.
@Ziyan
Miya ji, you want to be the editor of this site! fine, but before that, accept Vedas and reject Quran.
I have no knowledge of Vedas. I will try to learn from this site. My sister is an Ayurvedic student and she speaks highly of Vedas.
@truthseeker
Brother, you can start reading about Vedas from a book called "Rigvedadi Bhashya Bhumika" by Swami Dayanand on the following link- http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/
@truthseeker
1. And brother, who made this society not the same all time? It is again Allah, who has written our faiths even before our creation! So, He wanted half of the people to enter heaven and half to hell. He gave his books only to those, whom he wanted to send to paradise.
2. Muhammad was a prophet and he should be directed by Allah such that he could be the role model of people of all time. But from your words, it is proved that Muhammad could be the prophet of the Arabs of 1400 years ago, who were fools and low in character. But now, Muhammad is no more than a pedophile.
1. It has to be understood in the way that Allah knows what our fate will be. He has definitely given us the free will. Just think the various things that you do everyday. Is it God making you do it or is it by ur will?
2. The outlook of the society changes with time. That doesn't necessarily mean one is right and the other is wrong.
Now you are accusing our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Do you know that at the age of 25 he married a widow of the age 40 ? And he shared a very happy 25 years of his blessed life with Hadrath Khadija. This fact is alone enough for us to believe that he is innocent of all the scandals that you accuse him of.
@truthseeker
1. No, it is not just Allah knows, but He has written our fates way before our creation. Why did He write that some people will do kufra and some will be muslims? Why did He not write that all will be muslims?
2. Do you know, who was Rehana? She was a Jewish woman, whose husband was killed in front of her in the presence of Muhammad and then just after seeing her husband died, she was proposed by Muhammad to become his wife! When she refused, Muhammad forcefully took her away as his sex slave. If you still believe Muhammad to be innocent, you are a mincer of truth and not a seeker.
@truthseeker
1)Nope, u are wrong, according to islam, nothing is done with our free will, for example, look at ur self, everything u have done was already predecided by allah and written in Lohe Mahfooz, so u think its ur free will but its not. Only in Vedas, a human has free will. I suggest u read the articles "helpless destiny in islam" and "God must be crazy" on this site and u will realize that Islam is utter nonsense.
2)We dont abuse ur prophet, we are reading from the hadiths, now if u havent read ur hadiths thats not our problem, if u have, either u are too ashamed to admit or u feel those hadiths have been corrupted.
@truthseeker
1. Allah in quran says that he has given quran in your own language. This is the biggest proof of Quran to be sent for Arabs only! Forget about whole mankind.
2. How many of muslims know Arabic and the meaning of Quran outside Arabia? Do you know Arabic? Is not the knowledge of Quran confined to those, who know Arabic?
3. Quran can not be compared by Vedas because Quran was not in existence before 1400 years ago, but Vedas were existent much before Quran and do exist today also. So, Quran is definitely proved for a specific period, since it was not present before 1400 years ago!
4. Brother, Vedas are not the property of anyone. You can read it whenever you want, nobody can stop you. To know more, go through the article-"There is no cast system in Vedas".
1. Thats not a proof at all. Arabic was the language of the people where it was revealed. Arabic is still a living language whereas Sanskrit , the language of Vedas has almost died.
2. To my knowldge, all the Imams of the local mosques know Arabic well. And common Muslims like me are taught Arabic atleast to read and right as well as the meanings of that which is recited in prayers, dhikr etc. The knowledge in the Quran is known to others through the translations.
3. The essential message of the Quran was there right from the first revelation. Quran is in confirmity with the earlier scriptures.
4. But, then why only Brahmins had authority over Vedas earlier?
@truthseeker
1. The verse of Quran is applicable to those only, who know Arabic. Hence Quran can not be the book at all for Non Arabs. By the way, can you tell me the percentage of people, who know Arabic?
2. So count the no of Imams of local mosques, who will be no more than few Lakhs. And if you are OK with translations, why do you ask about Vedas all the time? Why dont you read the translation of Vedas by Swami Dayanand?
3. I talked about Vedas. Do you accept Vedas as first revelation?
4. Why do muslims worship graves? Is it in accordance with Quran? If not then why do you connect Vedas with the deeds of some so called Brahmins? Brother, simply see, what Vedas say and not what people say.
I don't understand your logic. Quran was in Arabic since it was the language of the people WHERE IT WAS REVEALED. Almost all Muslims know to read and write Arabic. Arabic is spoken by a significant portion of the population in more than 20 countries in Middle East and N.Africa. How many people speak Sanskrit?
Regarding Vedas as first revelation, I can only say once I study it. That takes time.
As I have said earlier, majority Muslims go to graves for 'tawassul' or intercession. It's the ignorant ones who do Shirk there.
@truthseeker
brother, listen, i will give u a logical explanation that why Quran cannot be the word of GOD. Brother, when we buy any machine or any car, it always comes with an owner manual that the user or customer must read in order to learn about the features of his her car or machine. We are given that owner manual at the same time we purchase. It is not that we get the owner manual 1 year or multiple years after in mail after our purchase. So similarly, when this universe was made, earth was made, GOD had to send his first revelation at the inception of human civilization, and those were the Vedas. Earth is the machine, Vedas are the owner manual. Now, if Quran were the owner manual, it should have been sent at the very beginning, why was it sent in between? If Quran contained any new message, even our manufactures, when we buy a machine, they never send a new updated version of an owner manual, because they know all the features very well so that is why they send the manual in one go. Same thing GOD has done, although there is a difference between GOD and humans and the difference is that GOD is perfect. If GOD is perfect, his knowledge should be perfect and understandable by people of every era. Tell me 10 things that are in the Quran, that couldnt have been understood by people in the earlier eras? All humans have many things in common regardless of eras, eat, sleep, talk, cry, laugh, now u tell me how are the humans different today that they require a newer revelation. As far as sanskrit goes, let me tell there are two types of sanskrits, Vedic Sanskrit and Conventional Sanskrit, the reason India has dropped in sanskrit is because u know very well India had many invasions in which we lost some quantities of our culture and civilization. Speaking sanskrit and communicating thru it was one of them, but in temples even today, all the prayers are done with Vedas and sanskrit. In temples, all our hymns are from the Vedas.
@truthseeker
how will this verse of Quran be applicable to non Arabs then? In whole Quran, in most places, Allah talks to Arabs or people of Israel. Why did not Allah say even a single word to the people of China, India, America, Australia, UK, EU, where more than 95% of total population live?
@truthseeker
1)for a book to be revealed for all humanity, it should be in a language that is not a native language of any country, or a language that is the mother of all the languages we see today, so far only Sanskrit satisfies this criteria. U may have heard sanskrit is the mother of all languages u see today, so if Quran were for whole humanity, it should have been revealed in sanskrit. I agree sanskrit is very less spoken today, but the thing is all these scriptures have been translated in hindi, so that is why people started to read them in hindi instead. But all hindu preists speak sanskrit, I mean when u go to temples, all the rituals/mantras are chanted in sanskrit.
2)all the Imams that reverted to Vedic Dharma also knew arabic very well, so that is why they understood the true nature of islam, so they left it.
3)but why did Quran's message change from time to time? Believing in one GOD is ok, but today u have to attach muhummads name, and if u dont, u burn in hell, so what was the kalima back then? Even Vedas tells us to have a belief in ONE supreme GOD, but it doesnt tell us to believe in any messengers or prophets because there is no such thing. We are all prophets of GOD, because we know his message.
4)thats a misconception, Vedas are for everyone to read, the brahmins were specialists and anyone is free to become a brahmin and become a specialist, remmember no one is born brahmin or kshatriya or vaishya, everyone is born shudra, so it is the job of a shudra to become a brahmin and propagate Vedas, or it is the job of a shudra to become a kshatriya and so on. These are all just professions not castes. The biggest downfall of our community is that people due to ignorance have transformed these professions into a caste system. Caste system is wrong and is no where in Vedas.
truthseeker & Maria,
Read this
http://www.islam-watch.org/AnwarSheikh/Islam-Arab...
Dude just coz u hate Mr. Naik do not say "WE MUSLIMS"…coz ONLY YOU hate him…and maybe a handful more…
Just like the Musrikhs of Mekkah hated Nabi SAW
The Jews hated Nabi Isa AS
The Pharaoh hated Nabi Musa AS…
and so on…EVERY OTHER silly person hates a righteous person… I am not equating him to a nabi ( i know that's the ONLY point you caught)…
ALL i am saying is every1 who loves the worldly affairs HATES righteous people..
I do not know Mr. Naik PERSONALLY but so far his videos i have seen give no reason for hating him UNLESS you love worldly affairs…
Jesus said this world is not his
Nabi Muhammad SAW also said this world is not his…the righteous work for the hereafter not this world
WASSALAM
@SHAS
Zakir Naik is a fanatic whose goal is to convert everyone to islam, for that even if he has to lie thru his teeth he will do so. As far as his speeches go, they are just common sense, no need to applaud on those, anyone can give those answers. Moreover, he even makes the most rediculous stories to justify islamic evil acts like killing apostles and beating wives. For example, he would make stupid stories like military treason to kill apostles and beating a child if he downst listen to u to justify wife beating.
@SHAS
Namaste friend,
We did not catch your point of Zakir to be a prophet. We know that neither he has multiple wives, nor has he found publically keeping sex slaves, and hence, does not qualify for the prophethood. But the point which we caught is that a man should be treated as man, and when he will be glorified by his followers like God, he will be hated. That was the case with Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Mirja Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani, Zakir Naik…….
Hope you will stop including Muhmmad in your prayers and will only remember God, who has created us. May Eeshvar enlighten our souls with His true knowledge.
Mr. Arya:
You EVIDENTLY havent seen Dr. Zakir's speeches because you asked a question he has answered in MOST of his videos!!
Esp question number 3:
""ALLAH givs hidayat 2 dos whom he wants to n leads astray 2 d ones whom he wills"
It is clear from your words that Allah wanted me to lead astray. Now you tell me how can I act against the will of almighty Allah? "
-He has answered this very logically and i request you to fully watch his videos with a unbiased mind and then try to talk on this thread.
Question no.1 AGAIN he has answered this already!!!
"He never referred any authentic translation of any Rishi in the support of his stories. Why dont you criticize him for his claims of being a scholar of Islam and comparative religion if he does not know Sanskrit? "
referred to your vedas and you ask of authentic sources? Do you mean to say the vedas are NOT authentic?
I am not surprised you are just dueling anger to the already angered people! Please stop:
be you a Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim you believe in this concept that you for every action you will need to answer…so think before you make your next post…
@Shas
Namaste friend
1. All points of Zakir have been refuted on this site already! Ask him to give rebuttals to these, or you can do that if you are appointed by him.
2. For Vedas, I questioned his translations and not the verses! Now if I say-"Bismillah ir rehman ir rahim", the first verse of Quran means "Dayanand ki jai". You should accept it because I quoted the verse of Quran! Will you allow me to do that?
@Arya:
I am sorry i do not understand what you are requesting…
"Now if I say-"Bismillah ir rehman ir rahim", the first verse of Quran means "Dayanand ki jai". You should accept it because I quoted the verse of Quran! Will you allow me to do that? "
Please paraphrase your question
@Shas
Zakir claims that Muhammad is prophecized in Vedas but he does not tell, which translation of Vedas he is quoting. Which scholar has written "Naaraashans" as Muhammad? He does not tell that how does he land to those meanings of Vedas, which no scholar has written ever. Interestingly, he himself does not know Sanskrit!
Now I say that first verse of Quran means "Dayanand Ki Jai" and you should accept it, do you?
ACCORDING TO KORAN ZAKIR NAIK WILL GO TO HELL. According to the literal Arabic translation of Sura 3:106, 107, on Judgment Day, only people with white faces will be saved. People with black and brown faces will be damned that is white Arab will only go to Heaven. So our Hero Zakir Naik have no chance to going to Muslim heaven. Now Muslims don't tell that is mistranslation, this sura is given in many islamic websites.
vow………my comments r deleted by d administrator. u ppl dnt hav guts 2 keep d comments evn, hw weak!!!!!!!!!!
@maria
wow……..the sharing name with muhammad's concubine whom he raped in the absence of his wife, is back with her idiotics
@maria
What could you do when your comments were visible? Anyway, there seems to be some problem with the site, its not just your comments are deleted, but many of ours as well.
@maria
maria, if we were weak, we would stop debating u, but it was u who came back after months
@Vik
Brother, maria went in search of another maria so that she can debate her brothers here. As you know, in any issue, one man equals to two women. But she could not find any other sister, so she had to come alone. In principle, she follows Vedic Dharma as she considers herself equal to man in intelligence as per Vedas. Sister maria acts against her Islamic belief by debating us, which shows the falsity in her beliefs.
@Arya
very well said, its sad to see these people forcing themselves to follow such rediculous beliefs when their own heart is pulling them towards the truth, the Vedas. She has no idea of whats going on, she knows very well she has no answer for our questions.
MARIA see this website for greatness of your islam http://www.masada2000.org/BetterWorld.html
peace be on you brother
muslims not hating dr zakir naik, but we love a lot ,even non muslims
i know u will delet my comment and u know ur laying and you can mis guide only those who are not thinking but you cannot misguide who are logic.the only sect will go to heaven and that sect is muslim itself
means thos who do not make sect in islam
and allah only knows who will go to heaven and he is best to jedge
soo atlseast if u dotn want islam or follow, at lst u cud not misguide others
allah knows best
@bazeem
why did allah prewrite our destiny and decide who will go to heaven and who not???? How can one follow when he she has no free will???? If allah pre decided everything, then, all we are doing is fulfilling our roles that he assigned us>>>.
Wow…. what comments.. all without logic..and ofcourse baseles…
if you have Questions for Zakir naik .. you can directly mail him…
What ever he has said about your books, if you find that he has said it wrong.. talk to him.. or talk to ur religious people to talk with him?
and da above comment where da person asked about how strong the angles are…. it was stated that angles of mercy do not come to that house..
All of you can directly mail him …and Ask Questionz…. i am sure you will be satisfied.
KHAN BROTHER your Zakir Naik was exposed when British Government put ban on Zakir Naik and many Muslims congratulated British Government for imposing ban on Zakir Naik. So AGNIVEER/ARYAJI Statement is completely true that many muslims hate Zakir Naik. By the way ask your Zakir Naik to start a comment section like AGNIVEERJI SITE in IRF website and we will promise you Zakir Naik will have to close that site in one or two years.
One or Two years!! Are you crazy! One or two hrs , I bet, provided he doesn't delete our comments
Assalam alai Kum
Hello Agniveer,
You first tell me you r Hindu or Muslim. If u r Hindu, u know nothing about Islam or Dr. Zakir Naik. If you are Muslim, then pray to Allah for your mistake before your eyes are closed for ever. Because u know, what will Allah do if u die without emaan.
@Mohd
Walaykum salaam ,
Your comment proves that believing in Zakir Naik is essential to be a true muslim! Now it is proved that Zakir is the new prophet for many muslm brothers!
zakir naik follows wahabi sect and many non wahabis differ in his opinions regarding some beleaf.
but as far as “inter religious study ” is concerned,he is a great scholar.
mr agniveer and more sick minded people like him hate zakir naik just becouse he is speaking truth and “exposing” there way of living.
his point of view is that “hinduism” and any other religion is not wrong but there followers r not truely following there scriptures…..and he is proving that all major religions (INCLUDING HINDUISM), came from same GOD and basically all scriptures have same lessons of humanity but ISLAM is latest and last of them and is the faith that has been “finalised” by GOD.
NOW THERE IS NO COMPULSION ON ANYONE TO FOLLOW ISLAM OR NOT.ZAKIR NAIK IS NOT THREATNING TO KILL U IF U NOT FOLLOW ISLAM.IF U THINK WHAT ZAKIR NAIK IS SAYING IS NOT TRUTH,U CAN JUST CHANGE UR CHANNEL…
agniveer ji ! whatever bad things u r exposing against other major religions like christianity and islam.
every question asked by u can be easily answerd by there respective scholars and they can give u a 100 time more points that shows HINDUISM is a false/wrong religion.
it would have been better if u show good points of ur religoin and then compare it with good points of other.
the path on which u r going leads to nowhere !!
there is one famous saying in hindi “jo doosre ke liye gaddha khodta hai,woh khud ek din usme girta hai”
so ur way of “presenting” hinduism a negative way and will not peopleeither help to convert/revert to hinduism or prevent people/hindus to convert to better faiths like islam…
GOOD LUCK !!
1. You say -”but as far as “inter religious study ” is concerned,he is a great scholar.”
Fact: No he is not. He has simply copy-pasted word by word from Qadiyani writer Maulana Abdul Haq. Refer http://agniveer.com/naikexposed/
2. You say – ” NOW THERE IS NO COMPULSION ON ANYONE TO FOLLOW ISLAM OR NOT.”
Fact: There is. because those who do not follow Islam are termed Kafirs by your texts and Verse of sword allows their killing even if they do not attack. Further, as per Zakir they should not be allowed to propagate their religion in Muslim countries but Muslims should have right to propagate Islam everywhere. Also Islamic texts curse non-Muslims to permanent Hell.
3. ZAKIR NAIK IS NOT THREATNING TO KILL U IF U NOT FOLLOW ISLAM.IF U THINK WHAT ZAKIR NAIK IS SAYING IS NOT TRUTH,U CAN JUST CHANGE UR CHANNEL…
Fact: Exactly the same applies to Agniveer. AGNIVEER IS NOT THREATENING TO KILL U IF U NOT STOP FOLLOWING ISLAM.IF U THINK WHAT AGNIVEER IS SAYING IS NOT TRUTH,U CAN JUST CHANGE UR WEB PAGE…
Angira
Agniveer Editorial Board
THOSE WHO ARE PROUD TO BE MUSLIMS SHOULD SEE THIS WEBSITE
CAUTION: WEAK HEART AND THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE APPETITE FOR TRUTH SHOULD NOT VISIT THIS SITE.
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/03/30/coptic-priest-zakaria-boutros-exposes-the-philandering-muhammad/
READ OTHER ARTICLES IN THIS SITE IT IS ALSO VERY ILLUMINATING
Dr.Naik has been doing great job by clearing misconception of Islam amongst the non-muslims all over the world since decades. Certain comments of his may be wrong for certain sect of muslims or non-muslims. He is a human being after all & tend to make mistakes. He debates on the similarities between the two religions to bring people together not dissimilarities to divide people. He is good scholar for debating on comparative religions but he is not greatest scholar of islam by all means. He himself claims that he is a student & not a scholar. If any one has any problem is welcome to ask questions to him directly after his speech during Q&A sessions before the mass. He always gives priority & welcomes non-muslims to come forward & pose what ever question they may have, even if it against islam. Since Dr. Zakir conducts all his debates in open public (not one to one basis or on websites or forums like this), I think it is good for any Agniveer’s prominent representative to go pose questions to Dr. Zakir. If Dr. Zakir is unable to answer his question, then it is the popularity of Dr. Naik that is at stake. Moreover, there are thousands of non-muslims besides muslims out of tens of thousands attendees from all faiths attending his lectures so let the masses hear and judge what is right and what is wrong, instead of wasting so much time and efforts on this website for only few readers on this website. Or let Agniveer start its own organization like IRF to propagate hinduism and suggest to conduct debates with scholars of other faith. People from different faiths will attend the debate and let them convert to hinduism if they think hinduism is the true, ancient & divine religion. If this is done in India and particularly in Europe and America, then you will see people converting to hinduism and hinduism will then become the fastest growing religion in the world in place of Islam where people are so madly accepting Islam at this time. May Allah bring the truth to surface….. Ameen.
@MSi
Brother, I appreciate your support for a dialogue or a debate instead of cursing us to Hell. However, regarding debate with akir , there are certain hiccups.
1. Zakir always chooses his opponents who are not used to his Taqiya tricks.
2. He never debates on the similarities but always tries to prove Muhammad in every scripture of the world. He has even gone to the extent of supporting Osama and has also said that non-muslims should not be allowed to have a place of worship in muslim countries!
3. Q&A sessions after his stage-shows are for semi-literates, where answers are in one-liners and his madarsaa-bred followers clap to their heart’s content.
4. Google about arya samj’s challenge to zakir and see yourself how he is running away.
you people are a disgrace. this man is converting people to islam while ur on ur ass sitting eating shit and not helping islam at all…. WOW… this is what the umma came to… i would like to see his status on the day of judgement compared to you people =] inshallah you people will see that he was telling the truth.
@yusuf
We would only see a judgement day, if it will exist, but sadly for u its all a fake child bedtime story to put u to sleep. I can only laugh when I think of judgment days, go tell these stories to ur kids, it will be useful to them. Zakir Naik purposely enslaves fakes, did u not see the fake shankaracharyas and arya samaj pandits he hired, they were all proven fake, now sit back and watch ur zakir naik getting exposed blatently.
YUSUF BROTHER ZAKIR NAIK AUDIENCE ARE FOOLS. It can be proved from the simple fact that when Zakir Naik says MOHAMMAD is mentioned in Bhavishya puran his foolish audiences clapped their hands not knowing the meaning come out of it that is Mohammad is Demon Tripurasur. So his foolish audiences claps their hands even when ZAKIR NAIK abuses PROPHET MOHAMMAD.
When allah accepts rasagullah…!!!
http://www.ariseindiaforum.org/islam_tolerance.php?type=202
also
Zakir Naik blasphemes Muhammad
http://www.ariseindiaforum.org/islam_tolerance.php?type=91
Hello to every one, after analyzing all the above comments i have come to know that every one is busy in blaming one another by saying he is correct or he wrong. I just want to say that before giving any comment on any other thing or human being please verify the authentic source( the Vedas, the Quran, the Bible)and confirm whether it is correct or not. Regarding Zakir naik he has given many talks on major world religions with proofs. So if he is wrong he will get his fruit from the God/Almighty. Why are you bothered about him. If you feel that islam is the true religion and Mr. Naik is falsely spreading it then you all people convert to islam and spread the truth of islam. Why are you afraid of it….
Hello to unknown, after analyzing all the above comments i have come to know that every one is busy in blaming one another by saying he is correct or he wrong. I just want to say that before giving any comment on any other thing or human being please verify the authentic source( the Vedas, the Quran, the Bible)and confirm whether it is correct or not. Regarding Agniveer he has written many articles on major world religions with proofs. So if he is wrong he will get his fruit from the God/Almighty. Why are you bothered about him. If you feel that Islam is not the true religion and Agniveer is falsely criticizing it then you all people convert from islam and expose the truth of islam. Why are you afraid of it….
Agniveer is using the tactics of Dr.ZN but for wrong purposes to bring further deviation/sects amongst muslims, bring hatred between other major religions, by wrongly interpreting the glorious quraan, picking up unauthentic/zayif hadees, quotations of the name sake muslims/critics of islam and also some non-muslims pretending to be muslims (munafiqs) by showing muslim names etc., targeting only the few viewers of this forum, they think they will tarnish the image of Islam in this world. For those few muslims who on this forum although did a good job to the best of their knowledge to remove misconceptions, i suggest they are doing it in vain. Agniveer & few others are adament in their own wrong understandings & do not want to accept the truth in spite of getting befitting & convincing replies with proper understanding, real & complete context. I suggest, muslims should ignore this forum or do not pay attention to this small group of misled people but do spread the message of truth & peace elsewhere to other masses like Dr.ZN has been doing and inshallah will continue doing it in future with the help of Allah subhana wa tala & in spite of his critics whether muslims or other religion. It is a fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and people of other faiths are not just accepting islam like that. They are doing it by proper realizing & doing research & whole heartedly agreeing it to be a true religion.
@MSI
Which sect out of more than 72 sects of so called muslims represents the true “Islam”? Because according to Muhammad, only one is right and rest of the others will burn in hell forever! Do you belong to that sect? How do you know this? Does Zakir belong to that sect? If yes, what about those 1.5 billion muslims, who do not follow his ideology and thus will go to hell as per Muhammad? And any refutations for the other articles about Quran and hadith on this site or your major concern is to defend new prophet ZN rather than defending Quran and hadith?
By Steve, on July 22nd, 2010
Agniveer’s website is full of hatred and depicts his evil motives of spreading hate. He is brain-washed by day dreaming of 16108 wives as his God Krishna had ( one can visit the article on this topic here http://truthofhinduism.com/general/sexy-historical-stories-of-krishna/ ). Indeed when one reads his articles , any person who has been visiting anti-islamics websites would forthwith come to know that agniveer imitates from those sites, than makes up his own articles & paste them at his website. He of himself can do nothing, he is arrogant, chesty & full of himself.
When I visited his article The Quran and the Shape of the Earth, he of himself has written nothing there. There is just a link to a article written by a christian missionary Sam Shamoun. So basically Sam is a christian who believes in the bible. Now one may observe that agniveer has several articles against Christianity, if agniveer is against christianity so much than why is he relying on articles written by christians. Those same missionaries have also written articles on women in Hinduism , will agniveer also consent on these articles. Probably no , than why Agniveer is playing double standards here.
Agniveer has no basic knowledge of Islam and it’s history, he simply learns the basic of Islam from those people who are Islamophobic by Nature. They indeed will write mendacious & untrue things.
I came across one more article on agniveer which has a photo of a muslim women in burqa who is hanged. I searched the anti-islamic websites, the same photo with same idea of the artilcle was present on a anti-islamic website. Agniveer simply read it and changed the sentences , & wrote a article claiming to be his own. This simply shows his foolishness & idioticness, he can never learn.
When you will visit these articles : Does the Quran mention the speed of light, Samples of Quranic (koran) Contradictions and Flaws by Syed Kamran Mirza & Refuting Zakir Naik’s claim of Science in Quran you will notice the same foolishness of agniveer. These all articles are written by Christians whom agniveer thinks are authentic & reliable if written against Islam. But if same authors will write against Hinduism, they are wrong & arrogant in the eyes of agniveer. He is posting articles of christians to whom he repudiates, and does not believe in their faith.
In simple words this is called stupidity & double standards, Agniveer can traverse to any limit to accomplish & execute his evil & dirty motives of spreading hate & detest. He is ignorant in Islamic knowledge who just wants a name on the internet.
The question is not the sources from where Agniveer is picking up these ideas, the moot point is whether what he says holds any water or not? If it does, then the most logical step for you to take is to rebut those claims or put up counterclaims instead of crying foul. Forget not, your hero aka Zakir Naik is himself a master plagiarist. Calling Agniveer a hate-monger is not fair, when your own website is saturated with unautheticated info on hinduism just to malign it. Talking of double standards and hate-mongering, u seem to be indulging in it more than anyone else.
Write something true about people. Certainly death is most close… fear our creator (Allah). Zakir Naiker is someone I observed that he is strong and loyal…
@Hamdhun
We dont fear our creator because we love him. Its up to you, whether you want to remain scared all the time or to be in love with creator!
@Hamdhun
is that why u call zakir naik ur next prophet????
@Hamdhun
Bro…We don’t need to fear the creator….As mother is so compassionate to the children, Allah is also compassionate to us since he created mother, so he himself wouldn’t have put so much sympathy in Mother’s heart if he was not compassionate…Even the great saints didn’t use to be angry on the culprits, so why Allah?
Dear all,
Dr. Zakir naik whatever says, says with authentic proofs not FABRICATED lies like Mr. Agniveer is spreading here,
If Mr. Agniveer is so inteligent then whay dont Mr. Agniveer have DEBATE with Dr. Zakir Naik.
If Mr. Agniveer feel that what he has written is all with authentic proofs, definately Mr. Agniveer will have Debate with Dr. Zakir Naik.
Lets see the result.
Kutte bhonkte rahe aur karwan gujar gaya
Its easy to make fun of others but its very difficult to have open debate
Bashir
@Bashir-Muslim
Are you saying Darul uloom Deoband and Shia kutte? Laahaul Walaa Kuvvat!!!
Dear Brother Bashir
“Kutte bhonkte rahe aur karwan gujar gaya”
So what should the kutte do? Attack and loot the karwan like Muhammad sahib did?
buhaahahahaah com on i guess u guyz are qadianies propagting against a preacher who was banned by jews are you one of them of com on people who could u do that to your own preacher u do not deserve to be muslims time changes nd with time actions also changes nd methods of preaching also changes dude try to understand
u shud shame ur self …….. wht u have said is a lie just a lie…..n even i don think so tht u have enough knowldge abt islam … u sound some non muslim to me … first go n get some true education abt islam ….
MAy Allah give hidayah to u Ameen
@Ayesha
we are doing exactly what your allah wants us to do. Sorry, we are helpless, after all, our fates are sealed in lohe mahfooz right??
God bless Zakir Naik – jiyo mere bhai Zakir
we all love zakir naik. U seems to be an american funded agent. You cant stop him. Its due to him islam is the fastest spreading religion in the world. keep it up zakir naik
tell that to the shias
To all Muslim brothers & sisters on this forum: Great to see u all doing your best to convince or correct the allegations laid by this forum. Allah will definitely reward you for all this as you are doing your job. Criticism has been there since the time of our beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. & the most of the critics themselves have turned to the path of Allah & His Messenger and became the strongest followers of Islam upon thorough study with true spirit. There are hundreds of such examples one of the greatest example is of Hazrath Umar raziallahutalla anhu. There were also few who were not been guided like Prophet’s uncle himself as an example. Even in today’s world we find hundreds of people from every profession intellectuals, scientists, celebrities………..etc who have accepted & are accepting Islam. We Muslims are at least born Muslims who may not be willing to deviate to other religion (in fact, this is not the reason, but the real truth is we know Islam is a true religion). But what about millions of non-muslims who are reverting to Islam?. We have to look into these facts bcoz they after having born into a non-muslim faith have compared, seen the difference, realized & then whole-heartedly accepted Islam. Besides doing our job of spreading the message of Islam, we should pray also to Allah s.a.w for them, that He guides them to the straight path (Ehdinas siratal mustaqeem). Inshallah, they will be guided with Allah’s will, if not, Allah says to such misguided “summum bukmun umiyun fahum la yarjiyoon” (Seeing they see not, hearing they hear not…….). Hazrath Umar raziallah hutala anhu was a strongest enemy of Rasul Allah than any of these, who went to kill our beloved Prophet but when he heard the Quran being recited by his own sister and bcoz of the Dua of our Prophet S.a.w., he was so guided that he entered into deen so much so that the Prophet himself said if there was any Rasool to come after Him, it should have been Umar raziallah hutala anhu. He was ready to die and sacrifice everything for the sake of Allah, His Messenger and for the cause of Islam. Look at his contribution towards Islam during his regime/khalifath, is even today considered as an exemplary role model by most of the historians, politicians, administrators etc.
This forum should be promoting Hinduism instead of criticizing other religions. But, it looks to me that to be able to uplift their religion, the forum is doing their best to bring down Islam with the help of anti-islamic websites and material available on-line. If at all they want to find mistakes, I let them do research on Quran and Sahi Hadees in a positive sense & asking the real God to show them the straight path & see what wonders the Quran (word of Allah s.w.t) will do to them on their heart & minds. Dr. William Cambell, who knew Arabic language, did challenged that there are many mistakes in Quran and wrote a book with all mistakes that even earned a reward for the best selling book of that year. When Zakir Naik bhai challenged and had a debate with him, he made him dumb struck on the stage, in his place, before his own people by logically and scientifically clarifying all his alleged mistakes and since then the very same book that use to sell like hot-cake was dumped in garbage in many stores after it lost its popularity. Anyways, what I mean to say is, we Muslims have Alhamdulillah done our job. There is no point in repeating the same again and again and waste our time here reading and arguing. This being the holy month of Ramadan, we should spend the same time reading, understanding and practicing what is written in Quran & making dua to Allah.
Agniveer knows that we all brother & sisters in Islam justified & clarified his criticism but due to egoism he is not ready to accept the truth and started to pretend like now he wants to be a Muslim and wants we Muslims to guide him to which sects of Islam he has to follow. This bureaucracy is played to bring rift amongst Muslims, wants us to argue between ourselves in the name of sects and he wish to sit in his place and enjoy us arguing. Which ever sect we belong to, we should not get caught into such evil & cunning intentions. He failed to understand that which ever school of thoughts we Muslims belong to our Allah, our Messenger & our Quran is ONE. He went up to saying that every sect has different Quran and we follow different Prophets and cunningly asks us which Quran and which Prophet he has to follow if he wants to become a Muslim? He thinks we Muslims are fools and we will get into the clutches of division and we would start fighting amongst ourselves in the name of sects. He is adopting the strategy of Shaitaan who is far cunning and intelligent than Agniveer & unfortunately we in India although sought independence from British, British have inherited in us the ‘Divide & Rule policy’ which people like Agniveer and politicians still follow. Agniveer doesn’t know that even if we belong to different sects and follow different school of thoughts, we all follow ONE Quran, ONE Prophet, and our God is ONLY ALLAH subhana wa tala.
Muslims is the one who submits his will to Allah. I urge Muslims to be united like Allah says in Quraan “HOLD ON TO THE ROPE (QURAN) OF ALLAH & DO NOT BE DIVIDED”. Our beloved prophet prophesized, there are going to be 72 sects. He did not say we should be divided into 72 sects. The one that goes to Jannah (heaven) will be the one who follows the tenets of Quraan & Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad sallalla hu alaihi wa sallam in all walks of his life, regardless of any school of thoughts he belongs to. All the four Imams/school of thoughts taught us the same that later if any of their preaching contradicts with the Quran and Sunnah, we should throw such preaching on the wall (meaning ignore such preaching by them & instead follow what Quraan & Sunnah teaches). Hence, any school of thought we follow, it is very essential that we refer to Quraan & Sunnah & follow only what Quran & Sunnah says & ignore any such beliefs and practices that goes against it. Only then will we Muslims be united & no doubt we all shall go to paradise. All attributions of Allah are of Love, Gracious & Mercy. He is the most Gracious & the most Merciful. Allah has just divided 1% of his Mercy & Love amongst his creation from which we show so much of our love and mercy to our relatives, friends & fellow beings. Imagine how much Allah Loves & has Mercy on us with 99% of Love & Mercy He kept for Himself?
Person,
what you call sunnah is rightfully called deceit by shias.
the man who collated it was killed by the brother of aisha.
and as far as going to heaven is concerned ..i can bet that anybody who follows the barbaric example of the prophet (as documented in the hadit sunnah) is sure bound for hell (if there is any such thing).
you want to tell me that a man who killed innocent men and kept their women as concubines is the best man who walked the earth ? ..give me a break please
We Muslims don’t care what you say or what any body else say against Quran, Prophet and Sahih Hadees. You follow what you think is right for you and we Muslims will follow the what Allah & his Rasool wants us to follow. To you is your deen (religion) and to us is our Islam. There is no compulsion in following Islam. On the day of judgment we will know who is right and who is wrong. Our firm & strong faith in Allah, Prophet & Quran is good enough for us to be steadfast in our belief & we shall not deviate. We shall never agree or accept with your false allegations/ interpretation even if you repeat false a million times against our Allah, Rasool & Quran. Our faith is many many many times stronger than your false propagation. We know what our deen is and we don’t need you to teach us about our deen. You shall never ever yield any results from this forum, in fact, many Muslims here as I have analyzed, are rather getting even stronger in their faith after going though your false propagation and while replying to you they are in the process of finding out the actual truth are getting more educated & their faith is growing stronger & stronger.
Person,
The very fact that you speak on behalf of all other muslims reflects the ghetto mentality that Islam propagates.
Well you are right, nothing can be done about muslims who are trapped in ghaib-e-imaan.But there are still some muslims smart enough to respect their faculties of reason and logic.
I am sure that they will actually read the meaning of the quranic verses they recite unknowingly as of now…
any rational mind who has read the verses may feel disgusted at the violent and sensual content therein.
Go check the following website to get refutation to all your false allegations laid by Agniveer/Arya samaj (not for real & well mannered hindu brothers pls) & open your eyes and dumb brains that your religion teaches you. Forget muslims, our hindu brothers themselves don’t believe you, how can u expect many muslims to believe in your falsehood statements????????????/.
http://truthofhinduism.com/
Message to muslim brothers & sisters: Instead of visiting this biased, unreliable & false forum, pls visit the above website if you need to get more educated with the real facts… There is no point arguing on this forum bcoz in spite of knowing the truth, these people they deny, twist and play with words or if they will delete and remove all such statements with which they get exposed. So the end result is the same “0″ and they start from the beginning again looking for people who are not able to refute……..
@Person
Brother, i am a regularly follow agniveer.com and TOH, but very frankly and truthfully, as a Muslim, I emphatically say that, the Rebuttals of Agniveer on Truth of Hunduism is nothing but a joke. This further erodes my belief in ISlam. I am still waiting for the day when, INSHALLAH, We (Muslims) will give a real befitting reply to this Agniveer, not like the one on truthofhinduism or intellectual.
Hope Allah will show us the True Path.
ya ya, your religion teaches you to propagate false allegations, deceiving & abusing others, create hatred and every such bad thoughts that Islam condemns. I know you are going to be more aggressive as usual after reading my comments, so I will not be visiting this site again as our Islam teaches us to keep quite when there grows rifts with others. bye.
@Person
Oh Oh !! Look who’s speaking !! Now Islamists are accusing others of fuelling hatred. Seems like you haven’t ever gone thru your quran and hadees !!
Does Islam really teach to keep quiet or does it advocate the slaying of non-muslims, as was done by muhammad himself
@Person,
are you joking man !! ….The only doctrine that is allowed to spread hatred in this world is Islam.
HOW PEACEFUL DO YOU FIND THESE VERSES OF YOU ‘HOLY’ BOOK??
◖Quran 9:28
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَـذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً
فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ إِن شَاء إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
O you who believe! THE IDOLATERS ARE NOTHING BUT UNCLEAN, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year.◗
◖Quran 9:123
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ
O you who believe! FIGHT those of the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE NEAR TO YOU and LET THEM FIND IN YOU HARDNESS; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).◗
◖Quran 3:28
لاَّ يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاء مِن دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ أَن
تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللّهُ نَفْسَهُ وَإِلَى اللّهِ الْمَصِيرُ
LET NOT THE BELIEVERS TAKE FOR FRIENDS OR HELPERS UNBELIEVERS rather than believers: IF ANY DO THAT, IN NOTHING THERE WILL BE HELP FROM ALLAH◗
◖Quran 48:29
مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاء عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَى عَلَى سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْراً عَظِيماً
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are FIRM OF HEART AGAINST THE UNBELIEVERS, COMPASSIONATE AMONGST EACH OTHER◗
◖Quran 3:85
وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِيناً فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
And WHOEVER DESIRES A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED FROM HIM, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers◗
◖Quran 9:23
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ آبَاءكُمْ وَإِخْوَانَكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء إَنِ اسْتَحَبُّواْ الْكُفْرَ عَلَى الإِيمَانِ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم
مِّنكُمْ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
O you who believe! DO NOT TAKE YOUR FATHERS AND BROTHERS for guardians IF THEY LOVE UNBELIEF MORE THAN BELIEF; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust◗
◖Quran 5:51
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ
مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. HE AMONG YOU WHO TAKETH THEM FOR FRIENDS IS (ONE) OF THEM. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk◗
◖Quran 8:12
إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلآئِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرَّعْبَ
فَاضْرِبُواْ فَوْقَ الأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُواْ مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ
When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS and STRIKE OF EVERY FINGERTIP of them.◗
If I say the same things against muslims ..how good would you feel?
HEY MY DEAR SISTER AND BROTHER DONT ARGUE. THE GREATEST FACT IS THAT “OSAMA IS A TERRORIST AND HE IS SUPPORTED BY ZAKIR NAIK AND 90% OF MUSLIMS(NOT ALL) HAVE SOFT CORNERS FOR ISLAMIC MILITANTS”. THEY ARE ALL DUDS. AND I HOPE THAT ONE DAY THESE ALL MAD GUYS KNOWN IN WORLD AS MUSLIMS WOULD GET A CALL FROM ALMIGHTY REFERING THAT THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO LIVE ON THIS BEAUTIFUL EARTH WITH THIS KIND OF SICK MENTALLITY.
JAI HANUMAN
ZAKIR NAIK IS A TERRORIST . 90% OF MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST SUPPORTERS
Why make such a website and then write somebullshit in it. If you realy think you are that clever go and debate whith DR.ZAKIR. In every debate he challenges any person to point out single mistake in QURAN but still we get people like you who waste his or her time in making something that is disgusting. There is no better religion than ISLAM and we muslims are proud of it, our job is to tell u insane non-muslim what is right and what is wrong then the rest is up to you people to decide. As far as DR.ZAKIR is concerned then his knowledge is more than all of you non-muslim. he quotes versesur out of ur religion but still u ppl dont get it.
IN HOLY QURAN IT SAYS NO MATTER HOW MUCH U TELL THEM (non-believers) THEY WILL STILL NOT BELIEVE, the example is infront of us.
ALLAHU AKBAR
@truth–
Muhmad really was clever person because he at the start of Quran told that Non-Belivers will not belive my words. By saying this he can fool only illiterate person not developed mind people. Zakir is really iliterate by mind. His logic seems to be like Muhmad only. You are using name truth but telling us your own belief and asking us to believe that. This is not good. We can say same to you regarding Veda but we won’t . We ask you to think and then decide what is good for human being. We accept change but not blind belief.
Religion based on proofs becomes science. If proofs are brought by the contenders then it ceases to be a religion. The Saudis can invest billions to directly video Allah, Hell and Heaven and show to the world.
A so called god’ s revelation( where is the proof?) divides the human beings between believers and non-believers who are all born alike identical. It is not revealed by god but the man’s satanic ideas thrust as to be from GOD.Once the reasoning takes over there is the end for Islam.
i dont hate zakir naik.what ever i heard of him he speaks the truth.
the comments made against zakir naik is not logical,they have just been written by educated illetrate.
they dont have knowledge about islam and science.some of my brothers and sister have given very logical explanation but you are not ready to accept it.read all the comments in favor of zakir naik with open mind.
@abdul wahab
thanks for letting people know how to LOGICALLY put an argument .
apart from issuing a fatwa ..you had nothing worthwhile to say
people like you strengthen the case against zakir naik. because any educated person will know from your response as to what it takes to believe in zakir naik : NOTHING but blind belief of illogical minds!
on a serious note..why don;t you tell us what you did find illogical?
Dear Abdulwahab, the results are quite apparent & transparent. Dr. ZK speaks in open public to show the people of all faiths what the TRUTH is and there are 10s & 100s & 1000s accepting the truth lively & willingly B4 masses as witness. Also, there are 1000s of others also who just by watching Dr.ZK’s shows on Peace TV & other channels have accepted islam whole-heartedly realizing the truth of islam. Dr.ZK b4 making brothers & sisters from other faith read the shahadah, asks them if they are accepting the truth with their free will & choice OR is there anyone forcing them to do so & the 100% replies are they say no one is forcing them. This proves that the truth reveals & prevails. If promoters of this forum thinks all these 100s & 1000s of people are fools & illiterates then for the sake of argument lets agree and be to it but why then these so called literates, most intelligent, logical, scientists, intellectuals sitting behind?. why cant they come out in public personally (like ZK MBBS) & speak courageously and draw 10s & 1000s of people to listen to their intellectual speaches/debates????? & let their alleged truth prevail. It is easy to sit at the back of the wall and write what comes to their brains. One needs courage to come out on stage and speak b4 masses and let the people decide who is speaking truth or who is talking false. These guys thinks that since ZKN is so popular so why not start a mission to defame him & become ourselves popular?. Now millions of people who browses on internet to read and know about ZKN, will get browsed to Agniveer also bcoz they get on list with ZKN for writing against him. In other words with the help of ZKN name they wants their name to become popular. BADNAAM HONE SE BHI NAAM HOTA HAI, LEKIN BADNAAM AUR NAAM HONE MEIN BAHUT FARQ HAI AUR WOH FARQ IS BAD.
@UNPOPULAR
for your kind information zakir naik refuses to debate on the internet..He needs semi-illetarate muslim majority populations to present his case. HE HAS TILL DATE not gathered the strength to debate on a public internet forum with many challengers.
what’s more even for a live debate , he ran away from agniveer after the defeat of Dr. Tarique.
he is the mithun chakravarty of the masses..if you understand the genuine sarcasm