The last 2 months have been among the most eventful in history of Indian news. India seems to have finally woken up to the cause of elimination of corruption. Each day in last 2 months was like a new twist in the novel. And yet Agniveer site was oddly completely silent during this entire period.

There have been speculations and concerns regarding Agniveer’s silence. We are indeed thankful to all our patrons for their affection. We want to announce that Agniveer is back in visible action.

The apparent break of last two months had several compelling reasons. The first and foremost was the need to perform a self-audit. Often we get swayed in preaching others and lose track of the proportion of that preach which translates into our own way of life. It is easy to get distracted and transform oneself into yet another showman who may earn a lot of reputation and respect, but lags far behind in genuine action and own spiritual development.

We believe in Vedic philosophy of knowledge-action-contemplation triad in order to achieve the Supreme – the ultimate goal of our life. In the last 2 months, we were performing an alignment between the three with specific focus on the third leg. And we return much more invigorated and clear of our future directions. Much more humble, much more honest and much more aware of our own follies. We return much more surer that our efforts would be much more genuine and intentions even nobler.

A second purpose – which was in reality an extension of the previous reason – was to pave foundation for ground-level concrete actions for Vedic transformation of society. Internet is truly an effective medium but there is a huge world beyond internet that also deserves our focus. To reach out to the masses, we need system, processes, resources and work plan. We do not want to reach out as yet another organization that starts with a noble purpose and then becomes a prisoner of its own cage. For various reasons, the original vision is lost, short term profits and fame become primary goal, you gradually get more and more distracted and soon what is left is a caricature of the original mission. This is the irony affecting almost all large social/ spiritual organizations of today. The goal of Agniveer is not to create yet another structure with similar destiny. Its purpose is to permeate across all structures like Agni and perform the Ahuti that brings bliss to all.

All this requires significant planning, especially in earlier stages. To grow big and powerful is not difficult. To ensure that Vedic vision gets more and more clear in this growth is the real challenge. This was an underlying theme of our activities of last 2 months.

Of course Agniveer team could not have remained passive in the last 2 months of crusade against corruption. This also took significant time and energy specially because our overriding priorities dictated us to do so silently considering the larger goals.

The results of this 2 months of Tapasya have been very encouraging. There is still some basic homework to complete before mission proceeds in a streamlined fashion. However we want to assure our patrons that we are very much in action and much more prepared to achieve our collective goal.

We shall be resuming content generation in next few days. And very soon we shall be working in full throttle on internet as well as among masses. We would be soon sharing our plans and activities to enhance the throttle further through your proactive participation.

We thank you all for your blessings.

O Lord of the Universe! May all vices be eradicated and we achieve whatever is noble and pure!

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  • Ahh…yes…it is 5 comments per thread. That is good. Probably was an issue with my browser or something…

    Thx.

  • Hello All:

    Nice to see the comments back up…

    Just a thought…could we have the comments as before? 5 comments per thread displayed on the side instead of the current 2?

    It is difficult to see the thread of discussions as of now.

    Thanks.

      • @shravak:

        I gave your post a thumbs up 😉 I can see your suggestion has been implemented.

        But still, I am not sure about how this will work. Will posts with highly -ve comments not be displayed? Given the demographics of the visitors to Agniveer (I guess 80% Hindu?), there MAY be a tendency on folks on “our” side to needlessly “thumb down” contrary POVs [Muslim, Xian, Atheist, etc.] I hope that doesnt happen. I hope +s and -s are awarded based on rationality/content of the posts and not whether one is a HIndu/Muslim.

        In any case, it is worthwhile to try this out…Satyameva Jayate!

      • @Agniveer
        wow, that was quick! thanks Agniveer.

        @KalBhairav
        Yep, i agree, this is a concern. Lets hope for the best.

  • @spirit

    as far as bringing asnger towards you i had to reply with your slangs………… rest my view towards your philosophy didnot change neither did i tell you to change or not change ur views towards mine……………………iam not intersted in refuting you bcoz i will advise you to go through the above posts and rather i am saying the same as you but you are not ready to accept it . so enjoy i agree with you …………………and you are much more knowledgeable than me

    • Brother Original

      Knowledge is something that I little have. I did not say anywhere in my post that you should give up shaivaism. I always respect the Shaktas. But when nonsense thoughts such as advaita philosophy and Shaivaism come together I feel very pathetic. Rest of your views are creating some kind of …..
      Dhanyawad

  • @spirit

    man you like to create your own fancy imagination. where did i tease vishal.rather whatever view i had i have said everything directly………….

    when he advised me directly(and not poke his nose like you). i asked him the reason for that and explained my position ……… so where did you find i teased him

    • Brother Original

      Do you know the distinction between fancy and imagination???

      —–. where did i tease vishal.rather whatever view i had i have said everything directly—–
      let’s see posts of yours where you said something very directly

      ——- No one is bigger boss than Big Boss 5—— 🙂 🙂
      ——- Swami Agranand described Bhagvatam in a spiritual way where Prabhupada did in fundamental way——— I asked you to see the difference between spiritual and fundamental way. But you did not/
      YOu belive in advaita philosophy and worshiping Shiva??? 🙂 🙂 What a disastrous!!!!!!!!

      So many of your moronic (your word) thoughts you have. We don’t have problem there. But don’t try to impose your idiotic idean on us…

      Dhanyawad.

  • @ spirit

    where did i remove my anger on mr vishal he did not poke his nose in between .neither did he use slangs.

    as far as you are concerned dont think iam knowledegable. when did i tell iam refuting you

    • Pranam Brother Original

      As said earlier I poked my whole body not just nose. “He (brother Vishal) did not use slangs”— you do not need to tell me. The slangs are only coming from you. At first your imginative character sum swami front organ then formless, then some stupid concept (or humorous). So what is my fault????

  • Pranam Brother Truthseeker
    My thoughts
    A) Just wipe out the formless. If you do that I agree with you Brother.

    B) You almost stand on this.

    C) I have difference thought in the last line. The creation is not automatic. The creation is not eternal also.

    Your Panchbhoot study is admirable but not the ultimate. The body we are wearing is made from 8 entities. Final three 1. Mon 2. Buddhi 3. Ahamkaar.

    And Brother your distinction between Prakriti and Soul is really praiseworthy. But I want to just add something to that. You can divide the power of God in many views. In some view we can divide His power into 2. One is Para and other is Apara. The living entities is probably (I can’t remeber surely) Para and other is rest.

    Others response I would give you soon.

    Dhanyawad

    • @spirit
      ______The creation is not automatic______

      You are correct. Sorry for wrong word.
      But process of universe creation/destruction eternal & everlasting.

  • M***** FU**** SPINELESS MANMOHAN SINGH GAVE 600 ACRES OF INDIAN LAND TO BANGLADESH BECAUSE HE SAID MANY ILLEGAL BANGLADESHI MUSLIMS IMMIGRANTS HAVE SETTLED IN ASSAM NOW THEY WILL GIVE MANY PARTS OF WEST BENGAL ALSO TO BANGLADESH. EUNUCH MANMOHAN SINGH IS ALSO GOING TO ALLOW TRAINS FROM BANGLADESH TO DELHI, MAHARASHTRA, SOUTH INDIA WHICH WILL INCREASE BANGLADESHI MUSLIM IMMIGRATION AND TERRORIST ACTIVITIES IN INDIA.

    IF THIS CONTINUES DELHI WILL ALSO BE GIVEN TO BANGLADESH IN PRESENT.

    WIKILEAKS ALSO EXPOSED TRAITOR MANMOHAN SINGH WAS GIVING SIACHEN AND LARGE CHUNKS OF KASHMIR TO PAKISTAN BUT AT THAT TIME MUSHARAF GOVT WAS TOPPLED AND THE DEAL WAS NOT IMPLEMENTED FOR INDIA’S LUCK.

    TRAITOR CONGRESS AND MANMOHAN SINGH ARE GIVING INDIAN TERRITORY AS IF IT IS THEIRS FATHER’S PROPERTY.

    ABHI HINDUON KA KHOON KHOLTA NAHIN TOH WOH KHOON KHOON NAHIN PANI HAIN.

    HINDU BROTHERS IF WE STILL DON’T RISE TRAITORS WILL SELL YOUR MOTHERS AND SISTERS TO PAKIS AND BANGLADESHIS.

  • pure devotees like Prahlada Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada can call people fools or anything else and that
    would please Krsna and even Shiva. We should know we are still
    conditioned souls with the 4 defects so we
    can not have the right to call people fools. Who are we to judge anyone? Yamaraja
    is there to judge everyone. We should learn to
    find faults within ourselves. We don’t want to
    critisize anyone rather we want to encourage
    even the most sinful people to take to Krsna
    consciousness. Lord Caitanya says give all respects to others and expect none in return for
    yourself. We want to try and cultivate that mood
    in Krsna consciousness. so i think u must addmit sorry to bro sprit.

    • @Vishal/Spirit/ Faizi & All Must Read to know
      What was Allah doing before universe creation?
      Vedic Response:-
      The creation is eternal and automatic. There is no date of creation of the following: (A) Almighty Allah who is alive, immortal, formless, creates, nurses and destroys the universe. He never indulges in any maya, mahamaya, illusion and deeds (good or bad. Yajurveda Mantra 40/8 and Yog shastra Sutra 1/26 also refer)

      (B) Soul: Soul is alive, the purest, away from sins etc. but illusion covers the soul due to which soul forgets his original form and hence remains in sorrows, problems etc.

      C) Prakriti: Non-alive and has three qualities. i.e., Raj, tam, Satva. At a proper time, the power of God acts in prakriti and the universe is created. So the creation is eternal and automatic.

      Vedas tell that there are three eternal/immortal matters- first: Almighty Allah, second: souls, third: prakriti. Almighty God creates, nurses and destroys the universe and again creates it. The said process of creation is eternal/immortal/everlasting. Almighty God creates the universe from prakriti. When the raj, tam and satva gunnas of prakriti remain idle (dormant condition/inactive) then creation does not take place. At an appropriate time, a power of Almighty God acts in prakriti (i.e., in Raj, tam and satva gunnas). Immediately the process of creation starts and the first matter of prakriti is made which is called –Mahat i.e., mind; from Mahat- ahankar is made, from ahankar panch (5) tan matrayein, from panch (5) tanmatrayein, panch (5) mahabhoot are created. From panch mahabhoot, the entire matter of universe i.e., Sun, Moon air, water , our bodies, bodies of other living beings etc., are created. The whole creation is thus created from prakriti and remains still (in active) like a statue. This creation is called non-sexual creation. In the said creation, the young human bodies are created which are neither old nor babies. Then by the power of Allah, in the said bodies, breathing system (prann vaayu) starts…

    • @Vishal/Spirit/ Faizi & All Must Read to know
      Con…………..
      starts operating. At last, God enters into the universe and immediately all the humans and other living beings become alive and start functioning. Similarly, the non-alive matters like Sun, moon, earth, air, water etc., start their respective functions.

      Creation, Science, worldly matters etc., is not possible until the same is created by someone. Secondly, knowledge is attained when knowledge is imparted by someone.

      Rigveda mantra 10/129/ 1-6 throw light about creation that at that time, there was nothing and no living beings did exist. So there was no learned acharya who could give the knowledge to the newly created living beings like parents who educate the children to make them able to speak language and to know about the matters like crow, animals, chapati, ghee, sun, moon i.e., all matters of the world. See, if a newly born baby is managed to live in dense jungle and nursed well but he is not given education about the worldly matters etc. i.e., mathematics, science, animals, sun, moon etc., then even at the young age of 20-25, 30 years, he will not be able to speak any language and when he will be brought out of the cave of dense jungle and will be asked about the sun, moon, animals, birds before him, then he will not be able to reply because he was not given the said knowledge.

      When we see towards sun, moon, air, space, human body etc. It is clearly understood that the said creation has not been made by any human being but Almighty God, from whom the knowledge of four Vedas emanates. In Vedas, the knowledge right from straw to Brahma has been mentioned. So in the beginning of non-sexual earth, the Vedas originated in the heart of four rishis: Agni, Vaayu, Aditya and Angira, and from the rishis the knowledge of science, deeds and worship along with every matter is being given to the public by which the public became educated scientist and wrote books, etc.

      In Vedas as well as in fourth chapter of Yog Shastras of Rishi Patanjali,…

      • @Vishal/Spirit/ Faizi & All Must Read to know
        Con…………..
        it is mentioned that those who do not believe in God are provided more and more facilities by nature and such people get spoiled, etc.

        On the contrary those who worship God, they naturally try to kill their desires and accordingly under the law, nature, help them to follow the true path to realize the God.

        It is also pertinent to mention here that in Vedas, there is no mention of avtarwad or any proper noun, please. Vedas do not even contain any story or past, present or future life of anyone. Vedas contain knowledge i.e., entire science, form of deeds/duties and worship of God. Actually Vedas give knowledge right from straw to Brahma (God) of entire universe.

        All four Vedas tell to worship a formless, Almighty, omnipresent, omniscient God who creates, nurses and destroys the universe. God was one, is one and shall ever remain one. He is unchangeable, unchallengeable and beyond description. He has unlimited qualities and thus unlimited names but is one. Because He is Almighty and needs no help of anyone to create, nurse and destroy the universe therefore no need to take avtar.

    • @vishal

      why this biased approach

      while giving him the slags i said that i was sorry read my above post carefully

      spirit used all the slangs previously for no reason and i could have retaliated earlier but i ignored that thrice or four times read spirits post carefully before you preach me

  • @ spirit
    you in your earlier post said that you said that god resides in our heart .its stated in bhagwatam buttttttttttttttttt you dont remember theeeeee lineeeeeeeeeeeeee numberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    you moronic idiot (sorry but you continuosly used the slang)do you understand english .read the post about the seventh plane .i had the same thing with reference to actual sprirtual science

    but a moron like you will not understand ……………..so i dont want to discuss anything with you………………………

    come up with something substantial……..then i will think about discussing anything

    its up to you wether you think if am knowledegable or a ganwar ……….its up to you and i dont want to cross your thinking

    • Pranam Brother Original

      ——you in your earlier post said that you said that god resides in our heart .its stated in bhagwatam buttttttttttttttttt you dont remember theeeeee lineeeeeeeeeeeeee numberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.———–

      You are suggested to go through my post. I did not say that it was in Sri Bhagvatam. It was in Srimad Bhagvad Gita.

      ——you moronic idiot (sorry but you continuosly used the slang)do you understand english .read the post about the seventh plane .i had the same thing with reference to actual sprirtual science————
      Brother I do understand English a little bit. Which seventh plane are you talking about?? If God resides in our heart does that mean we have become God????? Very stupid concept 🙁 🙁
      ——-but a moron like you will not understand ……………..so i dont want to discuss anything with you—–
      Now I am suspecting You are a jihadi 😉 and talking about some Lohe Mehfooz and sealing my heart with ignorance. Aren’t you??????? Very very illusive..
      But you are always greeted for calling my back names.

      ——–come up with something substantial……..then i will think about discussing anything

      its up to you wether you think if am knowledegable or a ganwar ————
      Perhaps u own Large amount of ignorance but brother I don’t. I thought You were knoledegebl………but now brother I am in great dilemma.
      —–its up to you and i dont want to cross your thinking——
      great. Great. A big round of applaud please!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please refute me by logic not something saying that my heart is sealed for truth or fate predestined in a book 🙂 🙂 Not to be angry brother. And do not tease Brother Vishal……….. Bring all your anger towards me not him….

      Dhanyawad

  • @spirit
    you are a fool of the highest order and a moron and that is why iam not even responding to a supid fool like you. cant you see that .you fool ihave not differntiated between ram and krishna its the iskon which does it

  • @original shiva.
    it is given in bhagwat puran… u must read SB 8.7 chapter specialy the SB 8.7.39 verse
    I will also provide u link.

    srimadbhagavatam.com/8/7/en

    srimadbhagavatam.com/8/7/39/en

  • so if god is not personal then what about lord Shiva he is also personal. And moreover lord shiva is the greatest vaishnawa that means he is the greatest devotee of lord Krishna. ”vaishnwam yatha shambhu” it is given in padmapuran. But i don’t no verse no. If i get then i will tell.

  • so just think over why is it named iskon and not reaching krishna or contacting krishna if krishna is personified god. but why the name is int soc for krishna conciousness , because it is the state of your supreme conciousness ,

    though reaching and completely defining it is not possible because it is like quantifying infinity

    i know you are a iskon vadi,i could make it out when you disrespected other gods to show krishna is the greatest and all this fundamentalist gyan comes only from iskon.they also rate lord ram as an inferior god .i dont want to go into deep in all this

    all i want to say is have an open mind

    because i personally prefer shaivism school of thought to advaitwadi .and shiva is my preference of connecting to god as yours is krishna.

    but dont fall in the circle of who is more powerful

    • Brother Original
      Krsna is has not been personified God ……….. He is God.

      ——-though reaching and completely defining it is not possible because it is like quantifying infinity———-
      what are talking about??

      ———i know you are a iskon vadi,i could make it out when you disrespected other gods to show krishna is the greatest and all this fundamentalist gyan comes only from iskon.they also rate lord ram as an inferior god .i dont want to go into deep in all this———-
      Brother we are not iskcon vadi. We believe in Krishna. But you can say that my (I don’t know whether Brother Vishal is also) spiritual master Srila A.C. Prabhupada. Who told you that we disobey demigods??? I do fast on Shivratri. I can assure you that I worship Sri Shiva more than you. I can sacrifice anything for Shiva. I love him after my Lord.
      Brother one thing I love Krishna not because of his greatest power. I just love him without any cause. Where we have said that all the fundamental knowledge comes from iskcon??? Iskcon has just been formed about 40 yrs ago. Sri Ram is none other than Sri Krishna. Sorry to say only fools (like you) differentiate between Sri Ram and Sri Krishna.

      ——-all i want to say is have an open mind——-our mind are door-closed????

      —–because i personally prefer shaivism school of thought to advaitwadi .and shiva is my preference of connecting to god as yours is krishna.——– You are always welcome for being Shaiva. Not only Shiva is connecting to God (but not God) but everyone is connected to God.

      Dhanyawad

  • mr vishal
    .and now i am confirmed to debate you did a research work on a foreigner . i alredy know the links you mentioned ……………
    first read the bhagwatam by swami argarananda

    just for a change if you wish listen to discourses by swami sukhbodanda ,shri shri etc .they have a standard crowd and the latter is my favourite as he is very specific about quotations from shastras and vedas and a very high educated mass follows him………………………………

    read the interpretation of mahamantra by icon/iskon you will understand

    • Pranam Brother Original

      As mentioned earlier I have poked my nose, legs, eyes,ears, hands everything. You can refute me if you wish. But brother I am not here to debate with you. I just asked for a healthy discussion. Whats your problem there? 🙁
      Brother was Srimad Bhagwatam compiled by Swami Agranand?? For your kind information that Purana was compiled by Sri Sri Krsna Dwaipayana Vyasdev himself.

      You said that I am in anger. Not that brother. I am in hurry. Because my exam is going on. I will be here just after my exam.

  • ma vishal see how he is vennting out his anger for no damn reason…………

    first of all mr SPIRIT HAS A VERRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BAD HABIT OF POKING HIS NOSE……………….

    MR APPOLO REACH HAD VAJRAS ,KB, MY OPINION .SO I REPLIED

    MOST IMPORTANTLY IIIIIIIIII IN THE STARINNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG OF MY POST REPLIED SAYING THIS IS MY OPINION AND NOT THE WORD OF GOD. EVEN WHEN QUOTED ME JUSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT SEEEEEEEEEE .IN MY POST IT IS WRITTEN IT IS MYOPINION SOOOOOOOOOO WHYYYYYYYYYY THE HELLLLLLLLLLLLL IS HEEEEEEEE TALKINGGGGGGGGGGGGG SO RUDELY .LET HIM SEE MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MUZZIES AND HE WILL SEE HOW THE HELL CAN I DEBATEEEEEEEEEE.

    SO MR VISHAL WHO NEEDS TO GROW UP. I HAVE MY OPINION AND I DIDNT SAY EVEN THAT DAY THAT IAM GOD ALMIGHTY OR A BUDDHA OR ARIHANT. I KKEP MY OPINION YOU AGREE GOOD AND DONT THEN ALSO GOOD

  • @ spirit

    your questons are more of a comedy just like visals so ask some serious questions and good ones that are worth debating………

    if i ask you mars main kalkattiya pan milta hai ki banarasi to iska answer aap kya doge

  • @ spirit

    after 4 days you came back to have a debate and respond to posts with full anger and tenacity,that day you were not so charged up but today whattttttttttt happened ……………….

    so you are filled with anger ……………………calmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm downnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

    be happy man

  • परिणामतापसंस्कार दुःखैर्गुणवृत्तिविरोधाच्च दुःखमेव सर्व विवेकिनः।
    क्या आप लोगो ने इस सूत्र का अनुभव कभी किया है?

  • I received below email asking some question.

    “I have some unanswered questions in my mind as regards the Anna’s movement. Will some body try to give me satisfactory answers?

    1. Most of Bharatiyas came to know Annaji on 27th February in the rally organised by Baba Ramdev. In the rally there was a huge crowd of about 2 lacs. In the rally Baba Ramdev declared to start a fast for black money on June 4. In the rally Annaji did not speak anything about Lokpal bill. Why was it that Annaji started a fast for Lokpal Bill on 5th April. Why did he not consult Baba so that they could unitedly fight corruption and both the issues could be projected simultaneously. Why did Congress yielded so quickly to include Anna’s team to drafting committee of Lokpal Bill?

    2. Desh Bandhu Gupta alleged that Annaji took donations of 75 crore from a person very close to Kapil Sibbal for running the agitation. Annaji never refuted it. Why?

    3. Why was the electronic media in the forefront of the Anna’s movement unlike the past as in case of Ramdev’s movement? Every body knows that nearly all the electronic medias are run by the foreign missionaries.

    4. Annaji spoke during the fast that the beauty of his movement is that it is not associated with any religion. Sri Arbind Kejriwal told that we decided not to allow communal and political persons on the dais. Then how come that ifter was organised on the dais of fasting, where muslims openly demonstrated their separate identity by putting on the skull caps and taking beef on the dais in full view of the cameras? Why were they allowed to relish foods on the dais where a 74 year old man was fasting for long? Why Sayed Sahabuddin, an out and out communal fanatic muslim, who publishes a magazine named Muslim India, and who as the chairmen of Muslim Personal Law Board is fighting against the construction of Ram Mandir, was allowed to the dais? And why Annaji choose a muslim girl to terminate his fast? Why did Annaji choose to glorify Islam through his movement when the whole mankind…

  • @ Origina Shiva, I did not understand what you meant by Ram and Krishna as being idols given by this Universe to people. When one reads Chandogya Upanishad, Krishna (son of Devaki) and Dridharashtra are spoken about in a relative contemporary sense (to that Upanishad). Please explain what you meant. I did not understand.

  • KB, I would not be surprised if Vishal retorted Atat Tvam Asi 🙂 I have been following and learning quite a bit from these discussions. At least we do not have to worry about apostasy and the following punishment,when opposing viewpoints are discussed within the ambit of Hindu philosophical systems 🙂

    • @AR:

      You’ve hit it on the head. Any philosophy with as diverse a base as Hinduism is bound to have differences of opinion. Thankfully, we can resolve it via dialogue or if the differences are irreconcileable we just live and let live. Advaitins dont want to break away and create a separate country, nor do Dvaitins want to evict Advaitins from their midst…In ANY case, all philosophy/metaphysics, etc. of ALL schools of thought [Hindu/Buddhist, etc.] are ultimately unverifiable. It is FAITH and belief. But the Momins/Xians take it to unbelieveably stupid levels by having punishment for apostasy, nationhood on the basis of religion, etc. 🙁

    • Pranam Brother Apple

      ———I have been following and learning quite a bit from these discussions——

      You better do. Wisdom is for everyone.

      ——-At least we do not have to worry about apostasy and the following punishment,when opposing viewpoints are discussed within the ambit of Hindu philosophical systems——–

      Do we need to worry? What is apostasy? If you want to become an apostate at first you need to have a faith in a religion. Don’t you? It seems……

  • you are connected to your infinite via the pineal gland(third eye chakra)i.e the spiritual chord is coonected to your higher self which is coonected to the univerasl higher self(god).it is here at this dimension that whole philosohy about dvaita and advaita starts.this is the seventh plane of unconditional love above natural laws dimension i.e the sixth plane.

    and this is the seventh plane islam refers to where allah is

  • hinduism says brahma created everything which is not possible bcause atman is ajar and amar so how can someone create the uncreated allpresent. moreover its got more to do with time as in higher dimensions time ceases to exsist and about the non linearity of the expanding time(personalyy even i dont understand these complicated theories)

    if brahma created everything then at the persent of time everything had to be perfect

    soooooooooooooooooooooo

    dont bother to find answers to such questions beacuse nobody can really give the correct answer .even lord budhha shri shri ,many saints couldnot give the answer .lord buddha used to keep quiet when asked about how and when this universe originated

    • Brother Original

      —–hinduism says brahma created everything which is not possible bcause atman is ajar and amar so how can someone create the uncreated allpresent.——-

      Such a baseless comment was raise by you. 🙂
      Lets emphasize on the truth. Brahma was originated from the navel of Lord Vishnu. By the order of Lord Brahma started creation. First he made his sons (not by sex). They were asked to do the deeds of a general persons. But they refused to do so. they concentrated on the worshiping of Lord Vishnu. Finally Brahma created Adi Manu and Shatarupa. And the universe started to expand.

      Now emphasize on your claim “Brahma cannot create souls”. Brother totally agreed with you at this point. But who said you that Brahma created souls. Souls are the sparks of that Big Fire (Eshvar). How Brahma created it?

      The supreme Brahmin stays in every living entity’s’ heart.

      Srimad Bhagvad Gita (verse and chapter I can’t remember, but if you suspect I can clear it other day)

      ” Eshvar sarbaBhutanam Hriddheshe Harjuna Tishthati”

      and if your intelligence has not been hacked by the ingnorance you can realise the fact that Supreme Brahman stays in every heart. So there is nothing about Brahma creating aatma. 🙁 🙁

      Dhanyawad

  • @ truth seeker

    this is my view only .i dont know if you support it

    first god doesnot incarnate.according to me there are various means of reahing it and any incarnation theorey is just a philosophy.

    but most importantly rama and krishna are supreme conciousness state of yourself(the infinite universal all pervading concioussness). paramatma i.e supreme state of your atma

    and these idols were given to us from above and each has a divine cosmic meaning

    so according to me giving the cosmic meaning of each idol is describing cheaply a mother loving a child as something say that transaction of energy is taking by her heart chakra and delimiting the whole thing

    these idols were given to us by the universe

    • Pranam Brother Original

      ——first god doesnot incarnate..———–

      what a stupid thought! 🙁 . Why God doesn’t incarnate? Is Krishna not God?

      ———according to me there are various means of reaching it and any incarnation theorey is just a philosophy———–

      It is not that you would reach moon if you start a journey to mars. You need to find the specific ways to reach God. Don’t you agree?. Why incarnation theory would be a philosophy just?

      ——but most importantly rama and krishna are supreme conciousness state of yourself(the infinite universal all pervading concioussness). paramatma i.e supreme state of your atma———

      Where did you get this? 🙂 You cannot say that a drop will become ocean by some means. A spark is not the big fire. Both the instance have some unlike relation that we (souls) have with God. You cannot become God anyhow.

      At some point you said that why I am poking my nose here. I am letting you know that I am not only poking my nose here but also legs, arms, eyes, ears …….whole body.

      You sound very unlike to Vedas. This is not something that we want.

      ——-so according to me giving the cosmic meaning of each idol is describing cheaply a mother loving a child as something say that transaction of energy is taking by her heart chakra and delimiting the whole thing——–

      No problem if you have different definitions with others. But you don’t have the rights to condemn truth and other followers.

      ——–the idols were give us by the universe——

      A fool was also given to us by the universe. 😉
      Dhanyawad

  • @KB/Vajra
    My question was, suppose I say one is perfect as one looks. but If I suggest something more or expect more from one to be look batter that means we can not say one is perfect because there is possibilities of change in one’s looks to be batter. It was just example. Now, I come to point If we say god is perfect but which god is perfect formless or formfull. If god changes himself from formless to formful, can we say he/she is perfect because he/she requires to change. & Changeable entity can not be perfect as I think. God always maintains one(1) identity. it is up to us in which we believe. But both can not be true if someone says God is both, I think he/she is hypocrite if says God is both formless & formfull. Please correct if I am wrong.

    • @TS:

      Your point is that if God changes, God cannot be perfect. If God has a wish, God cannot be perfect because he is blissful [without any desire]. To have any desire would mean to be imperfect because God doesnt have something. Is that right?

      Advaita answers this as Nirguna Brahman vs Saguna Brahman. Saguna Brahman is to help folks obtain an object of worship which can be endowed with infinite auspicious qualities. Rama, Krishna, Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu are Saguna Brahman.

      Nirguna Brahman is anirvachaniya [cannot be described by words]. Nirguna Brahman is formless. Nirguna Brahman does not have any desire. It just is…pure Being, no becoming. No cause, no effect, it just is…Nothing more can be said about it. I suggest Ashtavakra Gita [which is an Advaita classic] if you would like to study more of one can approach Nirguna Brahman.

      Whether a formful God or a formless God is better cannot be objectively decided. It is upto the individual. Ramanuja [the mathematician] used to say that his Ishta Daivata used to come in his dreams to provide him with some proofs from Number Theory. Can you and I deride that? Each individual finds himself in different stages of the reincarnation cycle. For a farmer, rain is God. For a hungry man, food is God. The perception of the Divine is unique to each individual. Trying to impose one’s perception of the Divine on another is the way Islam/Xity operate, not Sanatana Dharma.

      • @KalBhairav
        If God have form, Why Veda does not mention it, (Veda )knowledge direct emanates from supreme spirit & all legends have given authority to Veda. There are several Mantra in Veda which say God is formless & unchangeable. But I have not seen any mantra till now which says God formfull/incarnate. If God incarnate such important thing must have mention in Veda. What do you think?

      • You are correct. Different schools of thoughts accept different scriptures. Advaita doesnt accept the Puranas while Dvaita probably does.

    • Pranam Brother Truth seeker
      ——–it is up to us in which we believe. But both can not be true if someone says God is both, I think he/she is hypocrite if says God is both formless & formful. Please correct if I am wrong——-

      Brother be confident. It is not not that truth needs anybody’s acceptance. For instance if I don’t believe that the earth moves round the sun it is not that the truth would change with respect to my views, is it?

      And brother God is not formless. Where you worship the formless Eshvar it is nothing but ” Brahmayoti”(ie rays of God). God is the supreme Brahman. Where did you find that God is formless? In vedas??? Can you please show me a mantra describing Lord as formless???
      You can worship the shapeless Brahmin, no problem. But brother remember that the rays are not God. Shapeless God is not the complete study of Supreme Brahmin. Afterall the rays cannot become the source. But you can worship shapeless Brahmin. No problem.
      Dhanyawad

  • GOOD NIGHT .ANYWAYS IT MAKES NO DIFFERNCE IF YOU CAN TOLERATE ME OR NOT

    YOU ARE A TAQIYA BOMB OR MOREOVER AN EMPTY VESSEL MAKING A LOT OF NOISE…

    NEXT TIME DONT DROP ANY TAQIYA BOMBS FURTHER BEACUSE THAT IRRITATES ME

    GOOD NIGHT

    • @Spirit/Vishal/Vajra/KB/Shiva/others
      I have query, we say God is perfect & absolute. Here question arise, Is perfect & absolute changeable? Please write your views.

      • @TS:

        Here question arise, Is perfect & absolute changeable?

        I am unsure I fully understand your question. I will provide my thoughts on “Why if God is Perfect and Absolute, was there creation at all”? [Thats my understanding of your question]

        According to Advaita, there are two levels of reality – Vyavaharika [empirical reality] and Paramartha [absolute reality]. The Jivas are at the Vyavaharika level. Once the Jivas realize that they are nothing but Brahman, they attain the state of Jivanmukta…No further Karma accrues to the Jiva. The Jiva sheds its body at death and attains Moksha. Creation, destruction, preservation, Rama, Krishna, Brahma are active only at the Vyavaharika level. Once one transcendes the world of duality, one attains oneness with the non-dual absolute Brahman which is pure consciousness.

        VA and Dvaita believe that the empirical world is REAL. Creation is real and at the end of Pralaya God, Ishwar, Narayana, Mahapurusha, Vishnu sets in motion another cycle of creation based on the Karma of souls.

        In both cases God is absolute. God is pure consciousness in Advaita. God is an entity WITH attributes of love, compassion, grace in the case of VA and Dvaita.

        Islam and Christianity, if they could be absorbed into Hinduism would fall under the VA/Dvaita schools.

  • @ VISHAL

    NAME ONE HEALING SYSTEM REAVELED BY INDIANS NOW.ALL THE KNOWLEDGE THE WEST IS GIVING US.EVEN IT HURTS ME WHEN THE WESTERENERS DO THAT BUT THE KNOWLEDGE IS SIMPLY OUR OWN

    AND IN THE WEST IT HAS BECIME A MULTI BILLION INDUSTRY I.E INDUSTRY

    FROM REIKI TO PRANIC , TO THETA EVERYTHING IS REVEALED BY WEST THOUGH THE KNOWLEGE COMES FROM VEDAS

    AND ABOVE THAT THERE ARE SITES , BLOGS THAT MALIGN EACH AND EVERY INDIAN GURU

    SO ITS THE FAULT OF WHOM////////////////////////////////////??????????????????

  • Brother orginial. Gr8. If u keep caps lock off it doesnt hurt. Nevertheless, u alwayz want debate. I also wanted so. But i realised that in debates people can give false arguments and thus deprives of the truth. Which I dont want. But a discussion can certainly help us seek truth. Ok brother. Good night. May God bless u. Dhanyawad.

  • TRUTH IS SO COMPLICATED THAT YOGIS ARE MEDITATINGFOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND AND MAHAVTAR BABA IS ONE OF THEM,BESIDES THERE ARE MANY IN SHAMBALLA,/SIDDHASHRAM/GYAN GANJJJJJJJJJJJJJ

    THERE ARE SO MANY PATHS
    YOU THINK AYBODY COULD GIVE 100 % TRUE PICTURE OF TRUTH .WHY IS THERE SO MANY DIFFERNCES IN EACH PATH(CERTAINLY THE DESTINATION IS SAME )

    KEEP YOUR MINDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD OPEN TO IT THEN YOU WILL FIND IT

    (THERE ARE 100 REASONS TO SHOW GOD EXSITS BUT THERE ARE EVEN 100 REASONS TO SHOW WHY HE DOESNOT EXSIST(THOUGH ALL THE BRANCHES OF SPIRITUALITY SHOWS THAT NATURAL LAWS EXSISTS INCLUDING KARMIC LAWS)

    SPIRITUAL TRUTH IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS GRAVITAION FOR EXAMPLE .OTHERWISE THE 60%POPLUATION OF OUR COUNTRY WOULD NOT BE SUFFERING SO BADLY.IF KRISHNA /SHIVA ALONE IS THE ANSWER DONT BOTHER DEBATING ME BUT ASK YOURSELF WHY DOES HE NOT END THIER PATHETIC DISMAL SUFFERING

  • Pranam Brother Orginial.thankfully It was you by whom I came to kno that i kno Vishal brother. I also do kno u. U r a spirit soul not this material body. U r eternal. U r spark of that big fire. Do u wish to kno more abt urself? Now u hav said about iscon. Brother for ur kind information i dnt folow iskcon. I follow achary sri pravupada. ………..u raised a fact sum swami has interpreted vagwatam in a spiritual way and pravupada has in fundamental way. Can i ask what is difference between fundamental way and spiritual way? Fundamental means basical. So acharya has interpreted in Vedic way, hasnt he? So it is a spiritual way, i guess. So it is now revealed that u claim only foolish facts/qustions which dont deserve answer. Next tym i wont answer. Dhanyawad

  • @orginal shiva
    U don’t know anything….u don’t even know the spelling of ISKCON then how can u comment on it.
    And about ur philosophers western gurus….bcoz of them only today the condition of sprituallity is so bad. When they wanted to rule india they started to missinterpret the vedic scriptures.

    • Namaste Vishal

      Can you comment on SPIRITUALITY? Can you recognize what is MISINTERPRETATION? Have you ever been to any TEMPLE? Your logic denies the above 🙁

  • @SPIRIT

    YOU POKED YOUR NOSE IN THE MIDDLE AND NOW YOU ACT LIKE A SAINT. GR8 I DONT WANT TO DEBATE?????????????????? , WHAT WILL I GAIN BY DEBATING???????????????? SUDDENLY YOUR HIGHER SELF HAS AWAKENED. WHY THE HELL DID YOU POKE YOUR NOSE IN BETWEEN WHEN YOU DIDNT WANT TO DO ANYTHING

    • Brother Original

      I poked my nose, legs, eyes, ears, hands, everything. Now get me out of here 🙂 Now you are tempting me to have debate with you. If you really want it I can. But in which matter we shall debate????
      1.God being formless???
      2. Krsna God???.
      3. God doesnot incarnate?????
      or something else.

      First do clarify your position. Then brother surely we will have a discussion rather than a debate.
      Dhanyawad

  • I CAN GIVE YOU NAMES OF SOFTWARES TO CAPTURE AURAS …….I KNOW PEOLOPE WHO CAN STRAIGHTWAY DOWNLOAD CALCIUM PLATELETS FROM THE UNIVERSE.MY GURU IS A BUDDHIST……………….

    I CAN GIVE YOU LINKS TO GET INITIATIONS FROM ALL THE ARCHANGELS AND THEIR CONNECTIONS TO THE HINDU SYSTEM

    FOR EXAMPLE THE ARCHANGEL METATRON IS SAME AS THAT OF CHITRAGUPT ETC ETC

  • i can also quote from psycologists who gave their spiritual works from internatinaaly acclaimed writer such as

    BRIAN WEISS
    VIANNA SSTIBAL(THIS MEDITATION TAKES YOU TO THE SEVENTH PLANE WHICH ISLAM REFERS TO)

    EDGAR CAYCE ANOTHER GREAT PHILOSOPHIST

    BUT TO YOUR MIND THE NAME ARGRANAND SOUND FUUNY. SO THEIR ARE MANY SAINTS WHO HAVE SIMILAR NAMES THEY ACCORDING TO YOU BELONG TO LOWER CLASS .QUITE A SHAME ON YOU

    • Brother Original

      What is our fault if we don’t know swami Agranand? We are not omniscient. what else can be done if we don’t know him. Nevertheless, if he exists I pranam him

      Dhanyawad

  • the questions i had asked you forget that you will even get such analysis of the bhagwat in the book by swami argaranand

    the thing that was important was the differnce in the iterpretation .the one by iscon is very fundamentalistic approach and the other one was on a more spiritual approach

  • @vishal

    so now i get you .so you know each other well. now to answer him do you know me .or my guru etc etc to the point that i can tell you the face book sites to get initiations from various archangels to who my spiritual guides are…………………….

    • Pranam Brother Original

      Yes I know brother Vishal. I do also know you. You are the eternal, untouchable, undying,,,, soul, the spark of that big fire. You are not your body. You should know about yourself rather than your body. And brother Vishal is the devotee of Lord Sri Krishna…………and you disclosed about sum swami Agraanand. If he exists bid my Pranam to him.

      Dhanyawad

  • Pranam Brother Vishal. I m a tiny creature of Lord who is not even a devotee of Him. Plz dont call me that. Everyone is equal to God as stated in Srimad Bhagvad Gita. Dhanyawad.

  • @original shiva
    U don’t know who sprit is, he is a very great person.
    U are comparing him with the item girl. Peopel like u will never understand god unless u apolagies. Even lord shiva will not forgive u.

  • @original shiva
    U don’t know anything, u even don’t know who is knowledgebel. Brother sprit have more knowledge than me. Don’t ever say that’ it was some higher qustion and bla bla u don’t know anything.

  • Pranam Brother orginial. Can i ask where u orginated? China? 😉 . Brother I havnt cum here for a debate or demean u. What vl i gain if i win a debate or loose if i loose the debate. I believe in discussion and always am ready to accept the truth. You raised sum funny qustions….to isme mera kya kasoor? Item dancer? Ok brother I m an item dancer. Ab khush? A debate is held based in logic but a discussion happens based on truth. And brother I seek truth.

  • Pranam Brother orginial. Can i ask where u orginated? China? 😉 . Brother I havnt cum here for a debate or demean u. What vl i gain if i win a debate or loose if i loose the debate. I believe in discussion and always am ready to accept the truth. You raised sum funny qustions….to isme mera kya kasoor? Item dancer? Ok brother I m an item dancer. Ab khush?

  • @spirit either you have a proper debate but dont sizzle like an item dancer and brig forth your prospective with a sarcastic talk.ok swami argaranad is not my spiritual guru . the questons i had asked mr vishal is of higher level and i know some basic facts otherwise i wouldnt have asked them

  • No brother vishal. Swami agranand is his spiritual master. Originial learns about big boss from agranand and gets agranand. Brother vishal do you understoo what i meant by agranand? It is the entertainment which he (originial) gets by his agra (front) ango (organ). Dhanyawad

  • @orignal shiva
    ok u worship shiva and i worship krishna but don’t worship for gaining some material things like that of Ravana and other rakshasa for gaining some power. Ur worship should be pure. Bcoz if u r worshiping for material gain ur a demon or rakshas. Pure bhakti means pure love without any selfish motives.

  • Bhagwatam is same… not like iskcon or any other’s bhagwatam, unless u give the meaning of original text. The original text is maintained. And about the iskon bhagwat puran it was translated in english by His Divine Grace A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

  • @ vishal instead of answering the question(whose answer i dont need) you are reffering to trignometry calculus etc……………..

    why in this world should i study calculus for anwers regarding simple additions

    krishna is supeme so is shiva but no one is the big boss of big boss season 5

  • @vishal

    i said you earlier pure budhhism and not tibetian one.i can give you clarifications on what the gods in tibetian buddhism is and give you volumes of lecture on it

    refer to my above post i mentioned pure budhhism as i knew that you will deviate from the questions asked

  • about the buddha followers they dont even follow what buddha taught. Dali Lama himself eats meat which is against their first principal Non-violence

  • @orignal shiva
    The answer of ur qustion are very simple but first u have to take 90% and enter next level. Just like a 4 std student can’t understand the problems of calclus or trigomery but when he reachs to nineth or tent std then it is simpel to him to understand and solve them.

  • MAN ISCON PEOPLE ADDED LORD BUDDHA AS ITS 10 TH INCARNATION OF VISHNU WHEN BUDDHISM PURE BUDDHISM DOESNOT BELIVE IN GOD.COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY

  • @ VISHAL YOU ARE MAKING THE DISTICTION

    BRAHMA ,VISHNU MAHESH ARE ALL CONCEPTS OF ONE UNIVERSAL GOD.THERE IS NO DISTINCTION AS VAISHNAVA AND SHAIVA

  • @ vishal

    do some research work on bhagwat and dont follow what the kathakars have to say

    lord krishna never preached that he is almighty god above natural laws

    could you pleASE CLARIFY WHY HE DIED THE WAY HE DID??????????????/

    COULD HE SAVE DRAUPADI(HE ONLY HEALED THE SITUATION)???????????/

    HE COULD NOT SAVE YUDHISTIR FROM THE EFFECT OF THE LIE THAT HE HAD TO SAY TO HIS GURU

    EVEN BHISM PITAMAH AND ALL THE SONS OF KAURAVAS WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF PAST LIFE KARMAS OF THE KAURAVAS AND DID YOU KNOW THAT SHRI KRISHNA HAD TO ANSWER THE QUERY OF DHRITRASTRA WHY HE HAD TO LOOSE HIS 100 SONS ON THE ACCOUNT OF THE SINS COMMITED WHEN HE WAS A BAHELIYA(SOOOOOOOOOOO THE HIDDEN MEANING IS EVERYTHING WAS FIXED AND ALL THE EFFORTS OF LORD KRISHNA TO STOP THE WAS JUST A MERE TRY)AND LORD KRISHNA BEING A PARAM YOGI KNEW ALL THIS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THIS IS TTHE CONCEPT OF LOHE MEHFUZ……….SAD BUT TRUEEEEEEEEEEEE

    BHAGWAT IS ALL ABOUT PHILOSOHY

  • if some body claiming himself as original shiva and if he really means that then he is rascal and nothing. Lord shiva is the greatest vaishnawa”vaishnavam yatha shambhu” and thus he constantly meditates upon vishnu or krishna.

  • @kalbhairav
    So u are against muslims and chirstans who will kill u.
    So u r sure that u will not be killed by any hindu. No brother unless their is love between humanbeings this murdering, qurral, hipocracy etc will be their. U can see brother is killing to his own brother who are of same religion not only that but of sons of same mother. So spreding love of god is more important than what this site is ment for.
    America or Afganistan their is singel religion still they are fighting and killing each other. This is becoz of lack of love of god.

  • @vishal

    i dont know but i think you are a vaishnav

    you have a concept of god(say lord krishna).i am mentioning lord krishna as a concept and not a personalised superme diety

    i dont want to debate but i agree more with kal bahirav

  • Why are you supporting Momins? Dont you think the world would be a better place if 1.5 Billion Muslims converted out of Islam? Isnt that our #1 priority now?

    • Pranam Brother KalBhairav. Let one observe his religion. But if that religion does harm to mankind we shud strictly protest them. Coz i dnt just follow the flute krishna but also the warrior krishna. No jihadis, dumb naik shud b allowed in our cuntry. We shud not do harm to peace loving muslims But all terrorists must b thrown out.

  • Very illogically said bro kalbhairav. There lies the greatness of brother ‘vajra’. He doesnot show any blatant. He is always as calm and thoughtful. Thatswhy I respect him very much. I can show many reasons why. Dhanyawad. May Sri Krishna give u transcendental bliss.

  • Look here buddies…this site is not meant to debate Advaita vs Visishtadvaita vs Dvaita, etc. They have been studied and thoroughly researched elsewhere. It takes away from the principal focus of this website which is to counter Islam and Christianity. The Muslims will just slit your throats just as they will mine. 😉

    Mayavadin or Buddhist or Samkhyan or Charvaka, all of them are infidels per the Momins. Watch your back. Chao!

  • we accept formless and formful both but u don’t . Some peopel want to win in debate and some want to really seek the truth. The truth seekars are very humbel while asking qustion and that is the right method to gain knowledge. Other want to win the debate and they are agressive.

  • Pranam Brother KalBhairav. Very funny. Refute the claims 😉 . What happened? Iskconish? No. we r the sons of Lord Sri Krishna and the Krishna consciousness is like a firestick waiting to b lightened. Just it needs ur willingness. mayawadis say there is no distinction between God and soul. Do u also say? 🙂

  • You guys (vishal+Spirit) that you are clutching at straws if you want to refute any philosophy by taking recourse to Puranas!

    Also, neither did Shankara disparage Bhakti nor did Ramanuja disparage Jnana. Both of them said Bhakti/Jnana go together. So, take your ISKCONish diatribe elsewhere.

  • Padma Purana 6.236.10
    brahmanas caparam rupam nirgunam vaksyate maya sarva-svam jagato py asya mohanartham kalu yuge
    “In order to bewilder the atheists, in Kali-yuga, I describe the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Gauranga Krishna to be without any form and without qualities.”

  • Padma Purana 6.236.8-9
    apartham sruti-vakyanam darsayan loka- garhitam sva-karma-rupam tyajya tvam atraiva pratipadyate sarva-karma paribhrastair vaidharma tvam tad ucyate paresa-jiva-paraikyam maya tu pratipadyate
    “This mayavada advaita philosophy preached by me (in form of Adi Shankara) deprives the words of the holy texts of their acutal meaning and thus it is condemned in the world. It recommends the renunciation of one’s own duties, since those who have fallen from their duties say that the giving up of duties is religiosity. In this way, I have also falsely propounded the identity of the Supreme Lord and the individual soul.”

  • Padma Purana 6.236.7
    ”mayavadam asac chastram pracchannam bauddham uchyate mayaiva kalpitam devi kalau brahmana rupina”

    “Mayavada or Advaita philosophy is an impious, wicked belief and against all the conclusions of the Vedas. It is only covered Buddhism. My dear Parvati, in Kali-Yoga I assume the form of a brahmana (Adi Shankara) and teach this imagined philosophy.

  • Padma Purana 6.236.7 mayavadam asac chastram pracchannam bauddham uchyate mayaiva kalpitam devi kalau brahmana rupina “Mayavada or Advaita philosophy is an impious, wicked belief and against all the conclusions of the Vedas. It is only covered Buddhism. My dear Parvati, in Kali-Yoga I assume the form of a brahmana (Adi Shankara) and teach this imagined philosophy.

  • commentries on vedantsutra were given by following achrya in sequence
    ADI SHANKARACHRYA. he was incarnation of lord shiva and was asked to preach immpersonalism means mayawad philosophy. this was done bcoz lord BUDDHA had preached athism and discarded all vedantasutra bcoz in that age degraded bramhana used vedanta for animal killing n enjoying their meat. so shankaracharya had to reestablish the vedantasutra. but athistic peopel can’t understand the form of god so he preached formless god. but at last he use to tell ”bhaja govinda bhaja govind”.
    RAMANUJACHARYA. he the refuted shankaryachrya to tell that god is formful.
    MADHVACHARYA. he the told that supremecy of vishnu or krishna.
    Others are Vallabha, Vijnanabhiksu, Nimbarka, and Baladeva Vidyābhūshaņa .
    Thus one can see how god wanted to bring peopel to the orignal truth that is ” “Ishwara parama krishna satchitananda vigraha. Anadhir aadhir govinda, sarva kaarna-kaarna.”

  • @vishal:

    if i were a jihadi then i would support formless god. and allha is formful as said in Quran both of which are your OWN statements contradict!

    OK. God according to Vedantasutra. Now, WHOSE commentary of the Vedantasutras do you subscribe to?

  • allha is formful as said in Quran but muslim dont follow that.
    They dont understand what the Quran says about god and many other thing. They dont know the meaning of jihad as well . The kattar muslims have modified it for their own benifts. But some Emman and mullas from arab in muslims understand it and follow as said in it.They even don’t eat nonveg. They take only fruits and milk.
    But this is a diffrent topic.
    Here we are speaking about god according to vedantasutra.

  • @vishal:

    Then why did you say this:

    if i were a jihadi then i would support formless god.

    You just contradicted the above when you said this:

    where as their are somany verses in Quran that explain hands of allha colour of allha and so on

    So, which is it? Is Allah formless or with form? Clarify.

  • that was my answer to brother vajra. He called me jihadi.
    But according to muslims allha is formless where as their are somany verses in Quran that explain hands of allha colour of allha and so on.

  • @vishal:

    You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Can you tell me who are the various commentators on the Vedantasutras?

  • Pranam Brother Truthseeker

    Yajur Veda 32/3

    Na Tasya Pratimasthi.

    Your explanation : Almighty does not have any form. His form is unchangeable and unchallengeable. So He was formless, is formless and will be remain formless.

    My thougts: Point well taken brother.
    “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    or you can say that there is no image of Him.
    Does the verse say anywhere near about the shape of God????? How did you come to the conclusion of that He is formless?? There is no likeness of Him. I really abide by it. There is no image of Him. It means the same. God is purely transcendental and divine. No material image can describe Him. That is the meaning of the mantra.
    A question arises, ” If no material image can describe Lord so why you worship His murtis?”

    I just want to say that I don’t worship that murti. I worship Lord. My every salute, every devotion, every sankirtan, every worship is dedicated to Him not to that murti. Murti is essential for my concentration.

    So you see there is no obligation of God’s formlessness.

    Dhanyawad

    • @vishal:

      if i were a jihadi then i would support formless god.

      Oh, you mean the formless God that ascends and sits on the throne and keeps Lohe Mehfooz underneath? You mean the formelss god around which all Momins will bow down in submission on the Day of Resurrection. Allah is NOT a formless God 🙂

    • Vishal

      You did not show the discussion where Agniveer accepted Shri Krishna to be Brahman/Eeshvar. Also you did not give me the address of the temple Agniveer visit for worshipping Krishna 🙂

  • Bhagwat puran is esccence of all the vedantsutra that is vedas upnishadas puranas samhitas. Bhagwat puran was writeen in the last and by simpel logic one should take the last things as it is the conclusion of the whole.
    Just like in 1st std they teach 2+3=5 but don’t tell them 2-3=-1 bcoz they dont understand that and this is teached in 5th or 7th std .

    • @vishal:

      No, Vedantasutras ARE the essence of Vedanta. Nothing further summarizes Vedanta. What nonsense are you talking here?

      • Pranam Brother KalBhairav

        You don’t emphasis the importance of Bhagwat Puran. Why Brother? Isn’t it something that completing everything well prepared and in last second saying hay sasura goli lana bhol gaye 😉

      • @Spirit:

        This discussion is meaningless unless you guys Spirit/Vishal clarify WHICH version of Vedantasutras you are referring to? Which commentary? There are multiple commentaries on it. Depending on the Acharya in question, the pramanas [epistemology] differs.

      • KalBhai

        ys we folow vedantasutra .
        There are two schools of Vedanta sutras. They are 1. Impersonalists (You) 2. Personalists(us).

        We believe in Bhakti and u bielive in Knolege. Most people thnk the us(devotees of Lord) r devoid of knolege. But it is simply untrue.
        Rather, knolege at its highest level culminates in devotion.This is confirmed in Sri-gita, whch gives d esence of d Upanishads, whch in turn 4m d basis of jnana- kanda. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate: Aftr many births and deaths, the real jnani surrenders to Vasudeva, Lord Sri Krishna (Bg. 7.19)
        In the twelfth chapter of Bhagavad-gita, Arjuna asks wich path is better: the impersonal or the personal. Lord Krishna answers unambgsly dat d personal path is better.

        Vedanta is simply the study of the Supreme Brahman. That Supreme can b studied by either the monists or d Vaishnavas. Otherwise, how is it that great Vaishnava acaryas have written commentaries on the Vedanta-sutra?

        Do you want to know more about us?

  • read completly ….

    suppose u have heard about some personality like say kapildev. So then u know that their is some person named kapildev. But that is not the complete knowledge about him we dont know what he does how he looks how he smiles what is his age what are his likes and dislikes. This all about him can be known by his friend relativis or the peopel who are in close contact with them. Similarly formless god this concept is also true but not complet . When u read upnishad and puranas specialy the Bhagwat puran(bhagwan means Suprem personality of god head or God…so Bhagwat geeta means songs of God and Bhagwat puran means all about God) then u will know that he also has beutiful form not comparabel with beauty any of the women in this world. Bhagwat puran is all about Krishna.
    U can find verses describing Krishna as suprem personality of god head. No other purana or veda or upnishada says any other to be suprem but only bhagwat puran and it is called paramam amalam means esscence of all puranas.

  • Pranam Brother truthseeker

    Atharvaveda (7/3/2/1)

    tadvishno paramang padang sada pashyanti suraya:
    dibeeb chashuratatam

    translation : the scholars always see the limbs of Vishnu which is as spread as the eyes of divine (holy transcendetal place)

    Shwetashwatar Upanishad (3/16)

    Sarbat: panipadantat
    sarbtOrkshishirOmkham .
    sarbat: shrutimolloke
    sarbmabritya tishthoti .

    Do you need translation of that??

    Now your claim:
    Rigveda mantra 6/50/14 states that God is ‘Ajah Ekpaat” (Aj= A +Ja) where “A” means ‘not’ and “Ja” means ‘birth’ i.e., God never takes birth or Avtar. ‘ Ekpaat’ means from His only one divine power, [Chaturansh in Yajurveda mantra 31/3 ] the world is created but God remains ever unchangeable.

    I agree………
    But God is not formless……..Brother do you need explanation of my saying?

    Dhanyawad

    • @Spirit/Vishal
      God is formless as Yajurveda 40/8, Read word by word translation & response me again.

      “SA PRAYYAGAACHHUKRAMKAYAMVRANNAMSNAVIRAM SHUDHAMPAAPVIDHAM.
      KAVIRMANISHI PARIBHUHU SWAYAMBHURYATHATATHYATOARTHAN VYADDHACHHSHVATIBHYAHA SAMAABHYAHA”

      Yajurveda mantra 40/8 states that God is “SHUKRAM” Almighty, “AKAYAM” i.e., bodiless, so does not take birth, “AVRANNAM” hole less and can not be converted into any part, so soul is also not a part of God, “ASNAVIRAM” i.e., without nervous system, etc., “APAAPVIDHAM” sinless and does not love to those who are sinners, “PARI + AGAAT i.e., omnipresent, “KAVIHI” omniscient, “MANISHIHI” knows thoughts of every soul “PARIBHUHU” who keeps behind the culprits/sinners “SWAYAMBHUHU” who is eternal/beyond death and birth/has no father, mother etc.,

      • So brother truthseeker what conclusion shud i cum 2? God formless? How many times i refuted ur all suspects abt god not being formless. Do u agree that whatever we get is from god? The God has six opulences unendingly that none has? Do u agree the unverse belongs to god? Plz brother u r seeking truth but preaching falsehood. 🙁 dhanyawad.

  • @truth seeker
    What u said from rigveda is correct that god never take birth but he appers.
    His birth is not like ours or urs birth it is divine.
    U said that he is formless thats true but he is also formful and thats complet understanding of vedantsutra mens thats by reading vedas, puranas, and upnishadas, and not just vedas.
    If u tell that he can’t take form then u r limiting the power of the almighty. He can do anything, anything means anything ,he can be formless or formful both at a time ,but true understanding is that he is formful.

  • @vishal/sprite

    Rigveda mantra 6/50/14 states that God is ‘Ajah Ekpaat” (Aj= A +Ja) where “A” means ‘not’ and “Ja” means ‘birth’ i.e., God never takes birth or Avtar. ‘ Ekpaat’ means from His only one divine power, [Chaturansh in Yajurveda mantra 31/3 ] the world is created but God remains ever unchangeable. So, He was formless, is formless and will ever remain formless. His form is ever unchangeable and unchallengeable
    Yajurveda mantra 32/3 states “Na tasya Pratima Asti” i.e., Almighty God can never be measured.
    As in Yajurveda mantra 2/26, so is in Shwetashwataropnishad shlok 6/8 wherein it is mentioned that there is no reason to form a God and thus God is also formless i.e., nobody can make God but God creates universe from non-alive prakriti. Secondly the said Upnishad says that the deeds of God of creation, nursing, and destruction of universe are eternal, natural, and automatic. So naturally God needs no avtar to destroy Kalyug, earth, or devils etc., being Almighty i.e., God has all powers and is independent. Not God but only His powers are enough to control, create, nurse, destroy the universe. That is why Upnishad says that God has no desire to create etc., but it is eternal and natural and this sort of desire is named “IKSHAN” and not desire to create etc.

    To know more read Agniveer Article
    http://agniveer.com/2728/god-vedas-hinduism/

  • @vishal
    I also believe Krishna was a greatest soul ever take birth. He was legend. I also fill with energy when think about him & he inspire us to go ahead on the path of truth. But that does not he was almighty. Because if God takes birth at a particular place, he/she should be considered partial. Why God does not take birth out of India? Why God taken birth only in India? By taking birth God has to be limited/finite you can measure in him width & heights. But God can not be measured.

    • Pranam Brother Truth seeker

      Your claim is baseless :). really.
      God is partial?????
      can you do a favor by telling how?
      For the fact: Why god incarnated in india????

      Brother, When (about 50000) yrs ago the world was known as “Bharatbarsha”…….more ago it was known as “ilabritabarsha”. so you can see the world was dominated by bharatiyas (ie arayans). and most of the population of the world lived in Bharat then and they were also civilized.So is it useful to incarnate in the dark forests of south africa? ;)……….. by now you would starting to ask how is it moral to leave away those 5-10% of population of africa??? are you asking that question?

      Dhanyawad.

  • even Agniveer belives in Krishna to be Suprem Personality of Godhead. We had a long discussion on this.
    He don’t tell that becoz most peopel will not belive in it.
    He says that first peopel should raise their faith on hindu scripture and then after they will understand the higher thing. He regularly visits to krishna tempel.

    • @All

      This Vishal seems to be a Jihadi in Hindu disguise. He is excellent at Taqiyya.

      @Vishal

      1. Give us the link of this “long discussion” where Agniveer called Shri Krishna as God.
      2. I also want to see Agniveer. In which temple you saw them?

  • @vishal
    All Purans are against each- other. Shiva Puran says, Shiva is almighty & gave birth to Vishnu & Brahma. Vishnu Puran says Vishnu is almighty & gave birth to Shiva & Brahma. Devi Puran says, Devi gave birth to all & she is almighty. That is enough evidence Purans were not written by Veda-Vyas but written by Brahmans or Brahmans corrupted them. Which Puran is ture?

    Vyas Was a great scholar, so puran is not written by Vyas Ji Maharah. Read below link given article before posting next comment.
    सनातन धर्म में सनातन क्या है ?
    http://letusthinkagain.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_12.html

  • u said only vedas were created by vyasdev. This is absolutly wrong . He also created Puranas and Upnishadas. U can read even in wikipedia. This fact is known to majority of hindu.

  • When krishna appered in this world he appeare in deviki’s womb not by sexual activity. When he appeared in this world he was a four handed child with Shanka,Chakara,Gadha,Padma in his four hand and told them he have appered in this four handed form to tell u that i am not an ordinary child but the Suprem Personality of Godhead himself who have appeared to answer the prayers of demigod.

  • @true seekar
    One should read bhagwatgeeta very scrutinizingly.
    He said in BhagwataGeeta”Janma karma ca me divyam”
    His birth and activities are wounderful
    beyond the human intelligence
    becuase he is God .
    If he come as God, showing all His
    potencies…etc….He cant perform His sweetest lilas as child, cowherd….etc

  • @truth seekar
    Krishna appeared not born. born means taking birth through a sex activity.
    both nanda maharaj and yasoda , vasudev and
    devaki didn’t concive krishna through sex.
    krishna appeared through their womb.

    • @vishal
      But Krishna said here
      3/15
      “Be it known to you that action arose from the Ved and the Ved from the indestructible Supreme Spirit, so that the all-pervasive, imperishable God is ever present in yagya”

      Here he had given authority to Veda.
      the way Krishna addressing makes clear supreme spirit is different from him.
      & You will notice only Vedic text/stuff/verse called mantra. You will never find Geeta Shaloka recited in Yajan/Haven etc. & considered as mantra.

      • Pranam Brother Truth seeker
        You have sought truth but preaching falsehood.
        Let’s see the verse below:
        Karma brahmodbhavam viddhi brahmaksara-samudbhavam
        Tasmat sarva-gatam brahma nityam yajne pratisthitam
        Meaning: One should understand that actions originate from the Vedic scriptures, the Vedic scriptures originate directly from the Supreme Lord; therefore the all pervading Ultimate Truth is established eternally in performing sacrifice unto the Supreme Lord.
        So what is problem there to accept Lord Krishna? It is explained very clearly that actions originate from the prescribed instructions of the Vedic injunctions and these actions put forth to accomplish these actions are called yagna or worship and appeasement. Brahman directly refers to the Vedas. Lord Krishna by stating the Brahman wants to emphasize the all-pervading substratum of all existence that is revealed by the Vedas and transforming from the mantras of the Vedas, the actions prescribed by the Vedas, the forces of nature, sun and clouds and rain, food and living beings. He Vedas as has been described earlier emanated from the imperishable Supreme Brahman, Lord Krishna. This is indicative of the Supreme Brahman as well as the soul within every living entity. The soul is known to be indestructible and all pervading. Through the auspices of the soul the body gets foods…..etc etc…..and performs things authorized by the Vedas. Therefore the all pervading and indestructible atma or soul utilizes a physical body which is its substratum in the same way as the material nature to perform actions and that without a physical body performing the activities prescribed in the Vedas, then yagna or worship is not possible.

        Now you will ask why Krishna referred to the Supreme authority not himself. Brother, it is all the same if He says, “Follow me” of “follow the Supreme”. For instance you have put your user name as “truth seeker” here but you have another real name (let say X). Isn’t it all the same if I address you as brother truth…

      • Pranam Brother Truth seeker
        You have sought truth but preaching falsehood.
        Let’s see the verse below:
        Karma brahmodbhavam viddhi brahmaksara-samudbhavam
        Tasmat sarva-gatam brahma nityam yajne pratisthitam
        Meaning: One should understand that actions originate from the Vedic scriptures, the Vedic scriptures originate directly from the Supreme Lord; therefore the all pervading Ultimate Truth is established eternally in performing sacrifice unto the Supreme Lord.
        So what is problem there to accept Lord Krishna? It is explained very clearly that actions originate from the prescribed instructions of the Vedic injunctions and these actions put forth to accomplish these actions are called yagna or worship and appeasement. Brahman directly refers to the Vedas. Lord Krishna by stating the Brahman wants to emphasize the all-pervading substratum of all existence that is revealed by the Vedas and transforming from the mantras of the Vedas, the actions prescribed by the Vedas, the forces of nature, sun and clouds and rain, food and living beings. He Vedas as has been described earlier emanated from the imperishable Supreme Brahman, Lord Krishna. This is indicative of the Supreme Brahman as well as the soul within every living entity. The soul is known to be indestructible and all pervading. Through the auspices of the soul the body gets foods…..etc etc…..and performs things authorized by the Vedas. Therefore the all pervading and indestructible atma or soul utilizes a physical body which is its substratum in the same way as the material nature to perform actions and that without a physical body performing the activities prescribed in the Vedas, then yagna or worship is not possible.

        Now you will ask why Krishna referred to the Supreme authority not himself. Brother, it is all the same if He says, “Follow me” of “follow the Supreme”. For instance you have put your username as “truth seeker” here but you have another real name (let say X). Isn’t it all the same if I address you as brother truth…

      • Brother Truth seeker

        I am not here to probe that you are wrong. You are the son of Eshvar so is I. So we are brothers.
        We should worship Him with the greatest efforts. That is my motto of saying. You can worship Him as formless no problem. I donot condemn your feelings. But at the same time you need to accept the truth. I will not force you to take it. But the fact is God is not formless only. He has a divine, transcendental form.

        Brothers whether you accept Lord Sri Krishna as Eshvar or not lets take oath that we will always remain brother and be preaching the Vedic religion.

        Dhanyawad

  • In ancient days we had the technology of making stones weightless..which we can understand frm ramayanam..where they build a bridge across the ocean..and later it submerged..so i think its not a fake thing to say that lord krishna lifted up the mountain on his little finger..and also we were aware of siddhis in yoga..

    There is the concept of the Ashta Siddhi (eight siddhis) in Hinduism. These are:

    Aṇimā: reducing one’s body even to the size of an atom
    Mahima: expanding one’s body to an infinitely large size
    Garima: becoming infinitely heavy
    Laghima: becoming almost weightless
    Prāpti: having unrestricted access to all places
    Prākāmya: realizing whatever one desires
    Iṣṭva: possessing absolute lordship;
    Vaśtva: the power to subjugate all.
    Ten Secondary Siddhis

    In the Bhagavata Purana, Lord Krishna describes the Ten Secondary Siddhis as:

    anūrmi-mattvam: Being undisturbed by hunger, thirst, and other bodily disturbances
    dūra-śravaṇa: Hearing things far away
    dūra-darśanam: Seeing things far away
    manaḥ-javah: Moving the body wherever thought goes (teleportation)
    kāma-rūpam: Assuming any form desired
    para-kāya praveśanam: Entering the bodies of others
    sva-chanda mṛtyuh: Dying when one desires
    devānām saha krīḍā anudarśanam: Witnessing and participating in the pastimes of the Gods.
    yathā sańkalpa saḿsiddhiḥ: Perfect accomplishment of one’s determination
    ājñā apratihatā gatiḥ: Orders or Commands being unimpeded .

    • @vishal/Spirit
      1. If we believe Rama/Krishna were almighty God Then it is against God’s attributes that
      God is Ajanma (unborn), we can not say God is Ajanma. Because taking birth means to get body. If we say God is Ajanma that means God never incarnate. All scripture are agree God is Ajanma. & Krishna says in Shloka 3/15 Veda directly emanate from Parbarham (Almighty ) why not he declared Veda emanates from him. Even Krishna gave authority to Veda here.
      2. How can 700 Shloka can be preached when War were just about to start. Can a person talk of Yoga, what food to be eaten by one etc in the field of war.
      3. All Purans are against each- other. Shiva Puran says, Shiva is almighty & gave birth to Vishnu & Brahma. Vishnu Puran says Vishnu is almighty & gave birth to Shiva & Brahma. Devi Puran says, Devi gave birth to all & she is almighty. That is enough evidence Puran were not written by Veda-Vyas but written by Brahmans or Brahman corrupted them.

      Oh I forgot, you must read this article of Agniveer to understand things in batter way.
      http://agniveer.com/2728/god-vedas-hinduism/

  • @vajra.
    Why not U should belive i Quran, Bibak, Gurugrantha Sahib and all the scripture writen by vyasdev.
    Listen friend whatever i speak is TOP think. Quran and bibel are authentic but not complet. Jegus crist told to his dicipal that i have very much to tell u but u cant understand. Mohmad paigamber also told same to his dicipals.
    If u don’t accept puranas than u should not accept other vedas and upnishadas aswell because they are all return by same author Vyasdev.
    About that touching toung to elbow…god does not get fracture hands and twisted hand he is suprem beutiful suprem powerful.
    I have proved that Agniveer is not god. Look friend if u try to understand than it is very logical and easy. It is said that understanding god is simpel for the simpel and complex for the complex.

    • @vishal:

      If u don’t accept puranas than u should not accept other vedas and upnishadas aswell because they are all return by same author Vyasdev.

      The Vedas and Upanishads were composed by Vyasadev? I just pinched myself and it pained so I am not experiencing a dream for sure!

  • Pranam Brother Vajra. I shal try to respons ur 4 or 5 points next day surely. And a thing which i must say now is i don’t respect u for ur name ‘vajra’ but i respect u for ur valuabl and informativ cmnts. I respect u for ur sincerety which i hav been witnesing for so many dayz. When u said god is omnipresnt, omnipotent , etc i agreed but god is not formless brother. I shal discus it nxt tym brother. I m on mobil phn. Dhanyawad.

  • yes i can disprove that.
    Ask agniveer or any person who claims to be god to LIFT A MOUNTAIN ON HIS LEFT HAND LITTLE FINGURE FOR SEVEN DAYS AND SEVEN NIGHT.
    Ask him to touch his tongue to his elbow thats it… If he can do any of this then he is God.
    Bro.their is detail discription of every incarnation that have appere and that which will apper in the world with their Name Time Place and Activities that will be doen by them in shrmad bhagwatam and other puranas.

    • Brother Vishal

      1. Shri Krishna lifted mountain cant be proved logically. Textual proofs wont work here because I dont believe in Puranas. Can you tell me why should I believe in Puranas and not in Quran or Hadith?

      2. A man with twisted bones at elbow can easily pass your test to become God 🙂

  • Pranam Brother Vajra i can disprove. But not today, tomorrow. Coz i m in journey now and vl reach home late night. Dhanyawad

  • Pranam Brother Vajra. I m realy delighted dat u responded. Brother, u said ‘why difernt aproach in da same situation?’. Brother cud i ask how da situation is same. The Krsna situation had been abt 50 centuries ago. And buddha was abt 2600 yrs ago (atheistic dominated era). So da situations differ……….. Kalyuga is not sumthng where God predestines sin doing for w/men. It is general dat people in dis yug start cheating, etc. etc. And brother it doesnt violate da law of karma. Coz u vl stil get result out of ur karma. You cant say dat people dont rebirth in this yug, can you? So the law of karma is intect………………….. SimadBhagvad Gita (ch. 4 v. 7-8) ‘ yada yada hi dharmasya glanirvawati bharat . Ovutthyanam adharmasya tadatmanam srijayhmaham. Paritranaya sadhunam binashaya cha dushkritam. Dharma sansthapanarthaya sambhawami yoge yoge.’ do u deny the verses? …………..if sum1 innocently asks me, ‘can God b in side of falsehood?’ i ud also ask him, ‘ can a just ruler b in da falsehood side?’. So brother u see both the questions r sign of foolishness. Nevetheless, I vl follow my dear brother Vajra. Dhanyawad brother

    • Bro Spirit

      1. I asked about Buddha and Shankar and not Krishna and Shankar.
      2. Why is the change from Dwapar to Kaliyug so discrete? What happens at the interface? You will end up denying Law of Karma I know it. Think over it calmly.
      3. Shri Krishna as a soul desired to destroy evil again and again and so do I. Does that make me God?
      4. So you agree that Eeshvar cant do injustice! So how can He change His property of being formless or possess contradictory traits?

      Thanks for showing me respect. But you should follow truth (that looks reasonable to you) alone irrespective of what any Vajra says.

      Dhanyawad

      • Pranam Brother Vajra,

        1. I said about Buddha and Krishna not about Krishna and Shankar. Krsna and Buddha are both incarnation of Lord Vishnu..
        Now coming to your Adi Shankaracharya and Lord Buddha. Why Lord Buddha preached this atheism is explained above by Brother Vishal. Adi Shankaracharya is the incarnation of Sri Shiva not Lord Narayana. He preached the advaita mayawad illusion. But in his last few days he taught his disciples, Bhaja Govinda Bhaja Govinda. Now you can ask why Shiva went opposite to Lord Vishnu. It is also described in scriptures. Shiva narrates to Parvati, ” I will incarnate as Shankar very soon and preach the mayavad theory as it is ordered by Lord.”

        2. Brother have you performed the calculus? Have you done the differentiation? If you did differentiation you must have noticed that the thing change dramatically with respect to the variable. For instance sinx differs as the value/magnitude of cosx. Moreover, it happens only respect to variable “x”. And brother you are talking about change of Yugs. Think differently. Brother I shall never deny the law of Karma. Bhagvan or Eshvar is not under the nature. But as He the greatest, He never breaks His rules of Karma. He also brings Himself under the laws of Karma when He incarnates.

        3. Brother could I ask you a thing? Have you ever gone through Srimad Bhagvad Gita? If you have gone through you must have seen there wherever Sri Krishna narrates it is said as ” Sri Bhagvan Uvaca”. Now brother can you please tell me what is the meaning of “Bhagvan”? And you said somewhere that “—Sri Krishna as a soul”—- How could He say this as a soul? A soul is eternal but not all knowing and not as affirmative as He. Is a soul so strong, determined as Lord to narrate “yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati Bharata…..”?

        4. I never said anywhere in my post that ” God cant do injustice”. If I say that it makes my Lord accused of not being Lord. I said ,” He never does injustice”. What is greatness? One is great who has every potent to…

      • do everything but never does any injustice to anyone. There lies the greatness of Lord. Sri Krishna is not impersonal, He is personal. He is not formless. He has a divine form not the shit form as we have.
        Plz brother don’t mind if I have done anything silly. I am always ready to accept the truth and reject the falsehood what is the slogan of Agniveer. But I won’t accept any blatant.
        Dhanyawad

  • @vajra
    God means he is suprem powerful, suprem beutiful….and everything suprem. He is god he is omnipotent still he maintains his medium size body. He is not under laws of nature. He can take birth as he wants when he wants i which form he wants.
    Eg. Narshinga dev he was born from pillars and he was not a child when he was born, but a large size half man half lion form. So this shows that he can do whatever he thinks bcoz whole world only belongs to him. Ur qustion that why god created this world…their is also answer for this and not only this but to ur every qustion u have.
    Even Bramha the creator of universe did not understand God(Krishna) what to speak of us. God can be understoon only by the process of bhakti by serving him and his devotees and not by just our interpretation of by appling the rules of this world. He is above all this laws.

  • @vraja
    Brother the god has a master plan for the peopel of kaliyuga. Their are thre typs of peopel Athists, Mayavadis and Sakarwadi. The plan is that god has to take peopel of kaliyuga from athist to mayavdi and then to sakarwadi(peopel beliving in formful god krishna). Athist peopel cant understand directly the sakarwad so go first sent Sankarcharya to preach mayawad and then after few hundred years Madhvacharya came and preached sakarwad and told god is one and only one that is krishna and all other demigod are his expansion to run this world just like the cabinet ministers of any country.
    Thus by the conclusion of all vedantsutra it is reveled that KRISHNA IS THE SUPREM PERSONALITY OF GOHEAD. Even sankarchary in his last days used to say his dicipels”bhaja govinda bhaja govinda”

    • Brothers Spirit and Vishal

      My basic question was why the two incarnations chose DIFFERENT approach in the SAME situation? And whose approach you find better and why? Concept of Kaliyug as you mentioned is again not very convincing. I can ask why God created Kaliyug to be necessarily sin dominated? It violates the Law of Karma.

      ———-Lord Buddha, a powerful incarnation of the Personality of Godhead,———

      Why does God need incarnation?

      Brother Spirit..

      Purpose of creation for Vishal is not the same as for us. His theory is based on different assumptions than us. So there is difference. But anyway I would not go deep into this discussion. Just follow what you find most logical and moral. I saw somewhere that you believe Eeshvar is omnipotent and thus He is both formless and with form. IMO this kind of omnipotence is more of a weakness than strength. Because with this model of God, you can never establish truth against falsehood. Someone can very innocently ask you, cant God, being omnipotent, be on the side of falsehood instead of Truth?

  • Pranam Brother Vajra

    I am really a great fan of yours and your comments. I love to see your coments and get appreciated with your efforts.

    1. Mentioned in Brother’s Vishal’s comnts. And respected Adi Shankaracharya preached the mayavad illusion where there is no distinction bw God and souls. Do you agree with that theory???

    2. why there is difference bw approaches??? Brother vishal has mentioned.

    3. Brother I don’t kno whether u intentionaly raised this point. why you think that we are polytheists. we are monotheist and believe in Bhagvan (Eshvar for you). And asking about Shiva, Brahma , Indra,……. they are demigods and all are worshiper of God….supreme God is Lord Narayana.

    4. You know brother wat was the intention bhind the creation.

    Dhanyawad

  • Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.24
    ” tatah kalau sampravritte sammohaya sura-dvisham buddho namnanjana-sutah kikateshu bhavishyati”
    SYNONYMS: tatah — thereafter; kalau — the age of Kali; sampravritte — having ensued; sammohaya — for the purpose of deluding; sura — the theists; dvisham — those who are envious; buddhah — Lord Buddha; namna — of the name; anjana- sutah — whose mother was Anjana; kikateshu — in the province of Gaya (Bihar); bhavishyati — will take place.
    TRANSLATION: Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist.
    PURPORT: Lord Buddha, a powerful incarnation of the Personality of Godhead, appeared in the province of Gaya (Bihar) as the son of Anjana, and he preached his own conception of nonviolence and deprecated even the animal sacrifices sanctioned in the Vedas. At the time when Lord Buddha appeared, the people in general were atheistic and preferred animal flesh to anything else. On the plea of Vedic sacrifice, every place was practically turned into a slaughterhouse, and animal-killing was indulged in unrestrictedly. Lord Buddha preached nonviolence, taking pity on the poor animals. He preached that he did not believe in the tenets of the Vedas and stressed the adverse psychological effects incurred by animal-killing. Less intelligent men of the age of
    Kali, who had no faith in God, followed his principle, and for the time being they were trained in moral discipline and nonviolence, the
    preliminary steps for proceeding further on the path of God realization. He deluded the atheists because such atheists who followed his principles did not believe in God, but they kept their absolute faith in Lord Buddha, who himself was the incarnation of God. Thus the faithless people were made to believe in God in the form of Lord Buddha. That was the mercy of Lord Buddha: he made the faithless faithful to him. Killing of animals before the advent…

  • pranam.
    Adi Shankaracharya is a known incarnation of lord shiva and his work was to establish vedas as they were denied by lord Buddha. Lord Buddha did so b’coz as the start the bramhan class of men started to degred and were using vedas for their own benifit and sensegratification n they use to do animal sacrifice by help of vedas. To do animal sacrifice the bramhan need to be having very bramhinical qualities. So lord buddha discarded knowledge of vedas althoug he is lord vishnu from whom all the vedas have came from.

    • Namaste Vishal

      With all due respect I would say that your theory does not offer satisfactory solutions to the questions below

      1. Why not Buddha taught the right meanings of Vedas to the masses as Shankar (assuming he understood Vedas correctly) did? Why he chose to deny his very work?

      2. Why so much difference b/w the approaches of two incarnations, one believed in correcting and other in denying?

      3. Do you find it logical to believe in multiple Gods or you mean Vishnu and Shiva are Devas but not Eeshvar?

      4. What was the purpose of whole creation?

    • @vishal:

      First of all, this is completely unrelated to the thread in question. Yet, I am not very particular about maintaining thread purity although I would prefer if it is adhered to.

      Now, coming to Buddha, he was no doubt a great philosopher and personality. There WAS perversion within Hinduism during his time – such as mindless pursuit of rituals, caste system, etc. and he set out to correct these.

      But Buddha himself took recourse to the Upanishads to frame his theory of Dukkha, etc. The idea that everything in the outside world is temporary preceded Buddha and can be found in many Upanishads that pre-date him. Buddha himself wouldnt deny the existence or non-existence of the soul. It was his followers who embraced nihilism because they did not want to associate themselves with Vedanta.

      You earlier said:

      ok brother my mistake. Actually i din’t know the purpose ok of this site. I will try to ask relavant qustions.

      Why exactly do you want to bring in Buddhist discussion on this thread? Search the site for an article related to Buddhism and post your questions there.

  • नेह नानास्ति किञ्चन, सर्व खलु इदं ब्रह्म
    Diffrent religions r personal experiences n thoughts of different persons so it is unscientific to follow them. Choose ur way 4 personal experience

  • Really its great to see agniveer site back. Expecting to read more articles on vedic dharma and to realize the self
    Dhanyavad

  • i completly agree with u sprit. God is personal. Just as sunrays come to earth this does not mean that only truth is sunrays. It comes from sun which has form that is truth. Similarly God has form and the light about which the impersonalist talk about is the effulgence coming out of God(krishna) it is called Bramhajoti. After death they go in bramhajoti and again come to this material world because they were worshiping that light.

  • Pranam Brother Truthseeker

    There is no problem if you have the different definition of meditation with me. You think that when the mind keeps away from these 5 senses, it is a state of Dhyan. But what then your mind do?

    I have my own definition. Meditation means to achieve a state in which the mind is saturated with God consciousness. And in that situation I don’t need to open my eyes or something to see God. I just feel Him and His transcendental spiritual appearance. In my way God is not impersonal.

    The rays coming from your all body is hurting my eyes and thus I see you. Now question is there. What I see? I don’t see you. I see your rays. So is it wise enough to say that you are nothing but rays? Yes, your rays are impersonal but you are personal.
    Thus the impersonal Brahman is the ray of Personal God. Brother, it doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not but the truth will remain all the same.
    The Supreme Lord who is eternally blissful is considered as having a spiritual body with personality, qualities and attributes. So whenever I meditate (Dhyan), I am actually meditating in Him. What is the word ”I” here?
    ”I” is not the physical body, it is a transcendental, eternal spirit or soul whatever you say. ”I” is not judged by the body. ”I” is the spark and the God is the fire. Both the fire and the spark are fire, but one is big and the other is very small. Unlike the relationship between the spark and the fire, however, our relationship with God is eternal.
    Another thing I am not an idol worshiper. I am worshiper of personal, attributed, transcendental, spiritual God (ie Krishna)
    Dhanyawad

  • Pranam Agniveerji good to to see you back.

    We are really missing your new articles and looking forward for your new articles, Dhanyawad.

  • Pranam Brother Krishna Arya. I was shocked when u said meditation is removing of all senses. But a question arises there. What causes you to switch back from meditation to ur normal position? It cant b senses as u already lost them. Therefore, I hav another meaning of it and slightly differ with you. DHANYAWAD

    • actually i could not get correct english words to explain what i tended to say!

      but ya i gave a link and i am sure you would have checked it!
      if you still differ from my view there’s no problem!

      🙂

      but just don’t take those words literally actually i wished something else… which you can infer from the book correctly!!
      🙂

    • @ Spirit /krishna
      This is part of Article from http://satyavidya.org/
      Dhyna nirvishyam manah|
      This is an axiom of Sankya Darshan. Dhyan is the state of mind in which it is devoid of all thoughts and fluctuations. Seeing, hearing,smelling,tasting, and touching are the fives senses. When the mind keeps away from these senses, it is a state of Dhyan. Seeing idol with eyes does not constitute Dhayan. When the soul is disconnected itself from outside world of action of seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling and touching and engrosses itself in the meditation of God who is truth-consciousness bliss, and All pervading, it is in the state of Dhyan. God is all bliss: the soul which is eternal and conscious, can enjoy bliss when it comes into contact with Him. Idol is inanimate. That is why the Muslim invaders could break and destroy the idols of Somanath and Vishwanath of Kashi.

      • “Dhyan is the state of mind in which it is devoid of all thoughts and fluctuations. Seeing, hearing,smelling,tasting, and touching are the fives senses. When the mind keeps away from these senses, it is a state of Dhyan.”

        exactly gave words to what i wished to say!! and ‘lol’ i used wrong terminology by saying “stop the senses”! stupid me !! 😀

  • Pranam Brother Vishal
    Perhaps you are searching the easiest way to worship God. You will get this explained from Srimad Bhagvad Gita. The lord has said that it is easy to worship Him as a formful (ie Krishna Himself) rather than formless. It is same thing whether you worship shapeless God or Shapeful God. But asking about meditation I am not sure that it is possible of meditation in space (of formless God). But I, myself, have tried it. I found a lot easier to meditate in Him when He was a shapeful. Whenever I tried to attend in formless God my mind started wending. But when I gave Him a structure my mind just got paused and was successful in meditation.
    That was my experience. But it may vary for person to person.
    You can question about my structure worshiping. But it is not that I am worshiping that structure. My ultimate aim is God not that structure. The is helpful for my mind (because it keeps going here and there).
    Dhanyawad

  • Pranam Brother Vishal
    Perhaps you are searching the easiest way to worship God. You will get this explained from Srimad Bhagvad Gita. The lord has said that it is easy to worship Him as a formful (ie Krishna Himself) rather than formless. It is same thing whether you worship shapeless God or Shapely God. But asking about meditation I am not sure that it is possible of meditation in space (of formless God). But I, myself, have tried it. I found a lot easier to meditate in Him when He was a shapely. Whenever I tried to attend in formless God my mind started wending. But when I gave Him a structure my mind just got paused and was successful in meditation.
    That was my experience. But it may vary for person to person.
    You can question about my structure worshiping. But it is not that I am worshiping that structure. My ultimate aim is God not that structure. The is helpful for my mind (because it keeps going here and there).
    Dhanyawad

  • pranam sprit u seem to be intellengent in understant the vedantasutra. i also agree that god is formless and formful but to whom we should worship and how.
    We cant concentrate on omnipresent formless god then how to meditate upon him… its difficult.

    • @vishal:

      The Vedantasutras need to be studied consistently with the Upanishads by the same author. Regardless of the Darshana one follows – Karma, Bhakti or Jnana, all of them eventually lead to the same goal.

      • That being said, IMO, this website’s purpose is NOT to discuss differences between different Darshanas. It distracts from the main goal which is to purge India of West Asian/Middle Eastern death cults!

    • Dear Vishal jee,

      In short, the shlokas 45 to 48 of chapter 18 in the Geeta answers your questions in brief. It’s hard to understand with these shlokas only but still one can have a good idea of how to worship the Ishwar. To know completely, read all the Geeta many times with the commentary of Shree Adi Shankaracharya and swami Ramsukhdas. A company of honest Sanyasi can help you a long way.

      Om shanti Om.

  • Pranam Brother Vishal. Vedic God is ultimate. Some noble persons such as Swami Dayanand described Him as formless and some great souls such as Pravupada described as an formful (i.e. KRISHNA). In Bhagvad Gita Lord narrates, ‘It doesnot matter whether you are worshiping formless God or formful God. Ultimately you are worshiping me’. Now there you will get some interesting verdict. Some would say that Krishna was a great soul but not God. Some would say Krishna is the supreme (i.e. God). I (personally) assume God is both formless and formful as He is omnipotent. Dhanyawad.

  • it seems that this site (owner) has studied only 4 vedas…what about 108 upanishadas, 16 puranas out of which Bhagwat puran which was wrote in the last by Vyasdev as a conclusion of the whole Vedantasutra as instructed by his spritual master Naradmuni. I don’t want to hert any body but we can’t just leave them as they are also as authorised as the 4 vedas.

    • @Vishal

      dear brother,

      no hindu scripture even comes par with the Vedas, I know you want to give importance to other scriptures like upanishads and puranas, but if you read upanishads and puranas, they themselves declare Vedas to be ultimate, so if you look closely, we are giving the primary focus to Vedas as agreed by all other hindu scriptures. I suggest you read some articles on this site, as they would be helpful in answering your questions.

  • who according to u is god and why (according to vedas)?
    What should be the ultimate goal of humanbeings? Agniveer pls explain me this i need to know this very desperatly.still their are many qustion in my mind. u can send me email to [email protected]

  • Great to see Agniveer/Satyagni back…Let Truth triumph and falsehood perish! Lets reestablish the Vedic homeland all the way from Kanyakumari to Kashmir and beyond!

  • Pranam Agniveerji. We all are agniveer. The intellectual against all devil is agniveer. Rejecting falsehood and accepting truth is agniveer. Dhanyawad.