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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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The last 2 months have been among the most eventful in history of Indian news. India seems to have finally woken up to the cause of elimination of corruption. Each day in last 2 months was like a new twist in the novel. And yet Agniveer site was oddly completely silent during this entire period.

There have been speculations and concerns regarding Agniveer’s silence. We are indeed thankful to all our patrons for their affection. We want to announce that Agniveer is back in visible action.

The apparent break of last two months had several compelling reasons. The first and foremost was the need to perform a self-audit. Often we get swayed in preaching others and lose track of the proportion of that preach which translates into our own way of life. It is easy to get distracted and transform oneself into yet another showman who may earn a lot of reputation and respect, but lags far behind in genuine action and own spiritual development.

We believe in Vedic philosophy of knowledge-action-contemplation triad in order to achieve the Supreme – the ultimate goal of our life. In the last 2 months, we were performing an alignment between the three with specific focus on the third leg. And we return much more invigorated and clear of our future directions. Much more humble, much more honest and much more aware of our own follies. We return much more surer that our efforts would be much more genuine and intentions even nobler.

A second purpose – which was in reality an extension of the previous reason – was to pave foundation for ground-level concrete actions for Vedic transformation of society. Internet is truly an effective medium but there is a huge world beyond internet that also deserves our focus. To reach out to the masses, we need system, processes, resources and work plan. We do not want to reach out as yet another organization that starts with a noble purpose and then becomes a prisoner of its own cage. For various reasons, the original vision is lost, short term profits and fame become primary goal, you gradually get more and more distracted and soon what is left is a caricature of the original mission. This is the irony affecting almost all large social/ spiritual organizations of today. The goal of Agniveer is not to create yet another structure with similar destiny. Its purpose is to permeate across all structures like Agni and perform the Ahuti that brings bliss to all.

All this requires significant planning, especially in earlier stages. To grow big and powerful is not difficult. To ensure that Vedic vision gets more and more clear in this growth is the real challenge. This was an underlying theme of our activities of last 2 months.

Of course Agniveer team could not have remained passive in the last 2 months of crusade against corruption. This also took significant time and energy specially because our overriding priorities dictated us to do so silently considering the larger goals.

The results of this 2 months of Tapasya have been very encouraging. There is still some basic homework to complete before mission proceeds in a streamlined fashion. However we want to assure our patrons that we are very much in action and much more prepared to achieve our collective goal.

We shall be resuming content generation in next few days. And very soon we shall be working in full throttle on internet as well as among masses. We would be soon sharing our plans and activities to enhance the throttle further through your proactive participation.

We thank you all for your blessings.

O Lord of the Universe! May all vices be eradicated and we achieve whatever is noble and pure!

Read Post Disclaimer

It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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230 COMMENTS

  2. @vishal:

    You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Can you tell me who are the various commentators on the Vedantasutras?

  3. that was my answer to brother vajra. He called me jihadi.
    But according to muslims allha is formless where as their are somany verses in Quran that explain hands of allha colour of allha and so on.

  4. @vishal:

    Then why did you say this:

    if i were a jihadi then i would support formless god.

    You just contradicted the above when you said this:

    where as their are somany verses in Quran that explain hands of allha colour of allha and so on

    So, which is it? Is Allah formless or with form? Clarify.

  5. allha is formful as said in Quran but muslim dont follow that.
    They dont understand what the Quran says about god and many other thing. They dont know the meaning of jihad as well . The kattar muslims have modified it for their own benifts. But some Emman and mullas from arab in muslims understand it and follow as said in it.They even don’t eat nonveg. They take only fruits and milk.
    But this is a diffrent topic.
    Here we are speaking about god according to vedantasutra.

  6. @vishal:

    if i were a jihadi then i would support formless god. and allha is formful as said in Quran both of which are your OWN statements contradict!

    OK. God according to Vedantasutra. Now, WHOSE commentary of the Vedantasutras do you subscribe to?

  7. commentries on vedantsutra were given by following achrya in sequence
    ADI SHANKARACHRYA. he was incarnation of lord shiva and was asked to preach immpersonalism means mayawad philosophy. this was done bcoz lord BUDDHA had preached athism and discarded all vedantasutra bcoz in that age degraded bramhana used vedanta for animal killing n enjoying their meat. so shankaracharya had to reestablish the vedantasutra. but athistic peopel can’t understand the form of god so he preached formless god. but at last he use to tell ”bhaja govinda bhaja govind”.
    RAMANUJACHARYA. he the refuted shankaryachrya to tell that god is formful.
    MADHVACHARYA. he the told that supremecy of vishnu or krishna.
    Others are Vallabha, Vijnanabhiksu, Nimbarka, and Baladeva Vidyābhūshaņa .
    Thus one can see how god wanted to bring peopel to the orignal truth that is ” “Ishwara parama krishna satchitananda vigraha. Anadhir aadhir govinda, sarva kaarna-kaarna.”

  9. Padma Purana 6.236.7 mayavadam asac chastram pracchannam bauddham uchyate mayaiva kalpitam devi kalau brahmana rupina “Mayavada or Advaita philosophy is an impious, wicked belief and against all the conclusions of the Vedas. It is only covered Buddhism. My dear Parvati, in Kali-Yoga I assume the form of a brahmana (Adi Shankara) and teach this imagined philosophy.

  10. Padma Purana 6.236.7
    ”mayavadam asac chastram pracchannam bauddham uchyate mayaiva kalpitam devi kalau brahmana rupina”

    “Mayavada or Advaita philosophy is an impious, wicked belief and against all the conclusions of the Vedas. It is only covered Buddhism. My dear Parvati, in Kali-Yoga I assume the form of a brahmana (Adi Shankara) and teach this imagined philosophy.

  11. Padma Purana 6.236.8-9
    apartham sruti-vakyanam darsayan loka- garhitam sva-karma-rupam tyajya tvam atraiva pratipadyate sarva-karma paribhrastair vaidharma tvam tad ucyate paresa-jiva-paraikyam maya tu pratipadyate
    “This mayavada advaita philosophy preached by me (in form of Adi Shankara) deprives the words of the holy texts of their acutal meaning and thus it is condemned in the world. It recommends the renunciation of one’s own duties, since those who have fallen from their duties say that the giving up of duties is religiosity. In this way, I have also falsely propounded the identity of the Supreme Lord and the individual soul.”

  12. Padma Purana 6.236.10
    brahmanas caparam rupam nirgunam vaksyate maya sarva-svam jagato py asya mohanartham kalu yuge
    “In order to bewilder the atheists, in Kali-yuga, I describe the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Gauranga Krishna to be without any form and without qualities.”

  14. You guys (vishal+Spirit) that you are clutching at straws if you want to refute any philosophy by taking recourse to Puranas!

    Also, neither did Shankara disparage Bhakti nor did Ramanuja disparage Jnana. Both of them said Bhakti/Jnana go together. So, take your ISKCONish diatribe elsewhere.

  16. Pranam Brother KalBhairav. Very funny. Refute the claims 😉 . What happened? Iskconish? No. we r the sons of Lord Sri Krishna and the Krishna consciousness is like a firestick waiting to b lightened. Just it needs ur willingness. mayawadis say there is no distinction between God and soul. Do u also say? 🙂

  17. we accept formless and formful both but u don’t . Some peopel want to win in debate and some want to really seek the truth. The truth seekars are very humbel while asking qustion and that is the right method to gain knowledge. Other want to win the debate and they are agressive.

  18. Look here buddies…this site is not meant to debate Advaita vs Visishtadvaita vs Dvaita, etc. They have been studied and thoroughly researched elsewhere. It takes away from the principal focus of this website which is to counter Islam and Christianity. The Muslims will just slit your throats just as they will mine. 😉

    Mayavadin or Buddhist or Samkhyan or Charvaka, all of them are infidels per the Momins. Watch your back. Chao!

  19. Very illogically said bro kalbhairav. There lies the greatness of brother ‘vajra’. He doesnot show any blatant. He is always as calm and thoughtful. Thatswhy I respect him very much. I can show many reasons why. Dhanyawad. May Sri Krishna give u transcendental bliss.

  21. Why are you supporting Momins? Dont you think the world would be a better place if 1.5 Billion Muslims converted out of Islam? Isnt that our #1 priority now?

    • Pranam Brother KalBhairav. Let one observe his religion. But if that religion does harm to mankind we shud strictly protest them. Coz i dnt just follow the flute krishna but also the warrior krishna. No jihadis, dumb naik shud b allowed in our cuntry. We shud not do harm to peace loving muslims But all terrorists must b thrown out.

  22. @vishal

    i dont know but i think you are a vaishnav

    you have a concept of god(say lord krishna).i am mentioning lord krishna as a concept and not a personalised superme diety

    i dont want to debate but i agree more with kal bahirav

  23. @kalbhairav
    So u are against muslims and chirstans who will kill u.
    So u r sure that u will not be killed by any hindu. No brother unless their is love between humanbeings this murdering, qurral, hipocracy etc will be their. U can see brother is killing to his own brother who are of same religion not only that but of sons of same mother. So spreding love of god is more important than what this site is ment for.
    America or Afganistan their is singel religion still they are fighting and killing each other. This is becoz of lack of love of god.

  24. if some body claiming himself as original shiva and if he really means that then he is rascal and nothing. Lord shiva is the greatest vaishnawa”vaishnavam yatha shambhu” and thus he constantly meditates upon vishnu or krishna.

  25. @ vishal

    do some research work on bhagwat and dont follow what the kathakars have to say

    lord krishna never preached that he is almighty god above natural laws

    could you pleASE CLARIFY WHY HE DIED THE WAY HE DID??????????????/

    COULD HE SAVE DRAUPADI(HE ONLY HEALED THE SITUATION)???????????/

    HE COULD NOT SAVE YUDHISTIR FROM THE EFFECT OF THE LIE THAT HE HAD TO SAY TO HIS GURU

    EVEN BHISM PITAMAH AND ALL THE SONS OF KAURAVAS WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF PAST LIFE KARMAS OF THE KAURAVAS AND DID YOU KNOW THAT SHRI KRISHNA HAD TO ANSWER THE QUERY OF DHRITRASTRA WHY HE HAD TO LOOSE HIS 100 SONS ON THE ACCOUNT OF THE SINS COMMITED WHEN HE WAS A BAHELIYA(SOOOOOOOOOOO THE HIDDEN MEANING IS EVERYTHING WAS FIXED AND ALL THE EFFORTS OF LORD KRISHNA TO STOP THE WAS JUST A MERE TRY)AND LORD KRISHNA BEING A PARAM YOGI KNEW ALL THIS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THIS IS TTHE CONCEPT OF LOHE MEHFUZ……….SAD BUT TRUEEEEEEEEEEEE

    BHAGWAT IS ALL ABOUT PHILOSOHY

  26. @ VISHAL YOU ARE MAKING THE DISTICTION

    BRAHMA ,VISHNU MAHESH ARE ALL CONCEPTS OF ONE UNIVERSAL GOD.THERE IS NO DISTINCTION AS VAISHNAVA AND SHAIVA

  28. MAN ISCON PEOPLE ADDED LORD BUDDHA AS ITS 10 TH INCARNATION OF VISHNU WHEN BUDDHISM PURE BUDDHISM DOESNOT BELIVE IN GOD.COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY

  31. @orignal shiva
    The answer of ur qustion are very simple but first u have to take 90% and enter next level. Just like a 4 std student can’t understand the problems of calclus or trigomery but when he reachs to nineth or tent std then it is simpel to him to understand and solve them.

  33. about the buddha followers they dont even follow what buddha taught. Dali Lama himself eats meat which is against their first principal Non-violence

  34. @vishal

    i said you earlier pure budhhism and not tibetian one.i can give you clarifications on what the gods in tibetian buddhism is and give you volumes of lecture on it

    refer to my above post i mentioned pure budhhism as i knew that you will deviate from the questions asked

  35. @ vishal instead of answering the question(whose answer i dont need) you are reffering to trignometry calculus etc……………..

    why in this world should i study calculus for anwers regarding simple additions

    krishna is supeme so is shiva but no one is the big boss of big boss season 5

  36. Bhagwatam is same… not like iskcon or any other’s bhagwatam, unless u give the meaning of original text. The original text is maintained. And about the iskon bhagwat puran it was translated in english by His Divine Grace A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

  38. @orignal shiva
    ok u worship shiva and i worship krishna but don’t worship for gaining some material things like that of Ravana and other rakshasa for gaining some power. Ur worship should be pure. Bcoz if u r worshiping for material gain ur a demon or rakshas. Pure bhakti means pure love without any selfish motives.

  39. No brother vishal. Swami agranand is his spiritual master. Originial learns about big boss from agranand and gets agranand. Brother vishal do you understoo what i meant by agranand? It is the entertainment which he (originial) gets by his agra (front) ango (organ). Dhanyawad

  41. @spirit either you have a proper debate but dont sizzle like an item dancer and brig forth your prospective with a sarcastic talk.ok swami argaranad is not my spiritual guru . the questons i had asked mr vishal is of higher level and i know some basic facts otherwise i wouldnt have asked them

  42. Pranam Brother orginial. Can i ask where u orginated? China? 😉 . Brother I havnt cum here for a debate or demean u. What vl i gain if i win a debate or loose if i loose the debate. I believe in discussion and always am ready to accept the truth. You raised sum funny qustions….to isme mera kya kasoor? Item dancer? Ok brother I m an item dancer. Ab khush?

  43. Pranam Brother orginial. Can i ask where u orginated? China? 😉 . Brother I havnt cum here for a debate or demean u. What vl i gain if i win a debate or loose if i loose the debate. I believe in discussion and always am ready to accept the truth. You raised sum funny qustions….to isme mera kya kasoor? Item dancer? Ok brother I m an item dancer. Ab khush? A debate is held based in logic but a discussion happens based on truth. And brother I seek truth.

  44. @original shiva
    U don’t know anything, u even don’t know who is knowledgebel. Brother sprit have more knowledge than me. Don’t ever say that’ it was some higher qustion and bla bla u don’t know anything.

  45. @original shiva
    U don’t know who sprit is, he is a very great person.
    U are comparing him with the item girl. Peopel like u will never understand god unless u apolagies. Even lord shiva will not forgive u.

  46. Pranam Brother Vishal. I m a tiny creature of Lord who is not even a devotee of Him. Plz dont call me that. Everyone is equal to God as stated in Srimad Bhagvad Gita. Dhanyawad.

  48. @vishal

    so now i get you .so you know each other well. now to answer him do you know me .or my guru etc etc to the point that i can tell you the face book sites to get initiations from various archangels to who my spiritual guides are…………………….

    • Pranam Brother Original

      Yes I know brother Vishal. I do also know you. You are the eternal, untouchable, undying,,,, soul, the spark of that big fire. You are not your body. You should know about yourself rather than your body. And brother Vishal is the devotee of Lord Sri Krishna…………and you disclosed about sum swami Agraanand. If he exists bid my Pranam to him.

      Dhanyawad

  49. the questions i had asked you forget that you will even get such analysis of the bhagwat in the book by swami argaranand

    the thing that was important was the differnce in the iterpretation .the one by iscon is very fundamentalistic approach and the other one was on a more spiritual approach

  50. i can also quote from psycologists who gave their spiritual works from internatinaaly acclaimed writer such as

    BRIAN WEISS
    VIANNA SSTIBAL(THIS MEDITATION TAKES YOU TO THE SEVENTH PLANE WHICH ISLAM REFERS TO)

    EDGAR CAYCE ANOTHER GREAT PHILOSOPHIST

    BUT TO YOUR MIND THE NAME ARGRANAND SOUND FUUNY. SO THEIR ARE MANY SAINTS WHO HAVE SIMILAR NAMES THEY ACCORDING TO YOU BELONG TO LOWER CLASS .QUITE A SHAME ON YOU

    • Brother Original

      What is our fault if we don’t know swami Agranand? We are not omniscient. what else can be done if we don’t know him. Nevertheless, if he exists I pranam him

      Dhanyawad

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