Babur and Babri

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Babur was not a Muslim in first place. He would long have been stoned to death if he were to live today in any Muslim country!

In reality, Babur was a disgrace in name of Islam. To know Babur better, let us not depend on claims of Hindu ‘fundamentalists’ or biased ‘right-winged’ historians. Let us instead hear from the horse’s mouth. Let us review the autobiography of Babur – Baburnama – which is available in all prominent languages.

For purpose of this article, we shall refer to the English translation by Annette Susannah Beveridge published in 1922. This translation was done directly from whatever portions of original Turkish manuscript were available. These suffice to establish the true character of Babur. You can download a scanned copy from http://www.archive.org/details/baburnama017152mbp

Babur – the homosexual drunkard child molester

The autobiography clearly establishes Babur as a compulsive homosexual child molester. So those defending Babri Masjid should first clearly explain if Islam justifies homosexuality and child-molestation. If not, Babur was a disgrace in name of Islam and hence any structure constructed by him is also a disgrace in name of Islam.

1. In Page 120-121 of the biography he says that he was not much interested in his wife but was maddened by a boy named Babri. He confesses that he had not loved anyone like he was mad for this boy. He used to compose verses in love of the boy. For example: “There has been no lover except me who is so sad, passionate and insulted. And there is no one more cruel and wretched than my lover!”

2. He says that Babri used to come ‘close’ to him and that used to make Babur so excited that he could not even utter a word. Because of being intoxicated, he could not even thank Babri for his show of love.

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3. Once Babur was roaming with his friends when Babri came in front of him in a lane. Babur had loss of speech and could not even look at him due to excitement. He narrated:”I get embarrassed looking at my lover. My friends leer at me and I leer someone else.”

4. He admits that in passion and desire of youth, he got mad and used to roam around naked head and naked foot without even looking at anything else.

5. He writes, ”I used to get mad in excitement and passion. I could not think that lovers have to face this. I could not go away from you, nor can I stay with you due to high level of excitement. You have made me completely mad, O my (male) lover!”

Now this proves beyond doubt that:

A. Babur and his gang were homosexual and child molesters. Punishment for these, as per Islamic Shariat, is death by stoning. This is prevalent even today in Islamic countries.

B. Babri Masjid is nothing but a memoir in name of Babur’s sex-partner who was named Babri.

Does Islam consider monuments created by or named after such sexual perverts to be mosques or symbols of shame?

Babur-and-Babri

Babur – the barbaric killer, looter, rapist, drunkard and drug-addict

(Only a few samples from this barbaric vulgar autobiography of Babur are being provided as it is too brutal and gross for detailed reading.)

– Page 232: He writes that his gang beheaded the innocent Afghans who came to him for truce, and then created a pillar from these heads. The same feat was repeated in Hangu where 200 Afghan heads were killed to create a pillar.

– Page 370: Because people of Bajaur did not believe in Islam, more than 3000 people were murdered and their wives and children were taken as captives.

– Page 371 – Several heads of captured people were sent to Kabutl, Balkh and other places to spread news of victory.

– Page 371 – A tower of cut heads was setup on ground to celebrate victory.

– Page 371 – There was a wine party on Muharram where we drank whole night. (Translator notes here that Babur was a heavy drunkard till end of his life). A large portion of Baburnama describes these wine parties.

– Page 373 – Babur took such intoxicants once that he could not go even for prayers. He further says that had he taken such intoxicants today, he would not have produced half the intoxication.

– Page 374 – Babur fathered several children from several women in his brothel. His first wife promised to adopt all these illegitimate children, whenever they are born in future, because several children born to her could not live. It looks as if Babur’s brothel was akin to a poultry farm for chicken production!

– Page 385-388 – Babur was so happy with birth of Humayun that he went to a boat with his friends and drank wine whole night and ate narcotics. Then they fought with each other due to intoxication and party broke up. After a similar party, he vomited a lot and forgot everything by morning.

- Page 527 – A party was given in the pillared porch of the domed building in Agra (referring to Taj Mahal falsely associated with Shah Jahan)

Almost all pages of his autobiography describe how he looted, threatened, murdered and plundered wherever he went and ate ‘haram’ meat. Note that the way Babur includes all this in his autobiography implies that he was proud of all this. One would shudder to imagine what all other crimes he had committed that do not form part of this self-eulogizing biography.

 

Summary

A. Babur was anything but follower of Islam, going by his misdeeds that can put any human to shame. And if indeed some perverts assert that Babur was still a Muslim as per their definition of Islam, then there can be nothing more disgusting than that definition of Islam.

B. Babri Masjid was named after Babur’s homosexual partner Babri.

C. Muslims should stop associating themselves with perverted misdeeds of these looters and terrorists who were anything but followers of Islam. They should stop calling these criminals Muslims and their noble ancestors. Instead they should associate with our true noble ancestors like Ram and Krishna which most common Muslims actually do.

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      • tauqeer says

        Ismail it does not befit a muslim to speak this filthy langauge.follow INNALLAH MA SABREEN.There are innumeramble occasions when prophet pbuh was most polite even when insults were heaped on him.Hope in future you would not repeat this.Instead talk with reasoning in most reasonable manner.A true follower of any religion whether it is vedic religion,islam,or christianity or any other religion will not speak in this language.It is strictily prohibited in Islam.Do you forget that we call JESUS CHRIST ISA ALLEHSALM OR ISARUHULLAH(the most pious soul )pbuh,We call MOSES MUSAALLEHSALAM OR MUSA KALIMULLAH (the one who talks to god almighty) pbuh,we call DAVID DAWOODALLEHSALAM OR DAWOOD KHALIFATULLAH(khalifa of god almighty)pbuh,NOHA of BIBLE OR NUH ALLEHSSALM OF QURAN OR NUHUNNAJIULLAH pbuh are by many probabilities same as MANU OF HINDU SCRIPTURES as many insidence in his life as discribed in Quran and Bible are matching with hindu scriptures.Have you ever seen any muslim a child or adult/educated or totally illetrate speaking a single word of dishonour about any of these prophets this even when some followers of other religions who follow these prophets( PEACE BE ON ALL OF THEM) use most filthy langauge for our beloved prophet pbuh. The former is islamic culture and not the language of filth.Please remember this always.ALHAMDULLILAH your name is of one of our prophets ISMAILZABIULLAH pbuh(sacrifised in the name god the almighty).

        • raji bichu says

          Tauqeer, i appreciate the honour you have for all Religions.
          And i believe if each one of us respect and honour each other, that could give a solution to all the communal problems in our country.

          • Tanveer says

            You are right raji bichu but the problem is that few people dont want peace. They are heel bent on creating tension in this beautiful country. You can see yourself how false information is being circulated on this website. Anyways, the makers of this website is living in fools paradise.

          • Whatupmabitches? says

            Try telling that to muslims who believe killing INFIDELS is justifiable. LOL you make me laugh.

        • Shahbazullah Khan says

          As Salam alikum To All My Friends

          Please Read

          BABER MASJID-REAL STORY
          1949 On December 23rd, Muslims finished their night prayer and left to their home. A shock was waiting for them, who came for fajr prayer. Inside the Mosque a mob kept Rama, Laxamana, Sita statues and claimed that their God took avatar (appeared) inside the mosque and they started agitating against innocent Muslims.

          An FIR was filed at faizabad police station. Afterwards central and state government banned Muslims to conduct prayer inside the mosque and this became one of the important issue in Indian history.

          Then Innocent Hindu’s mind were brain-washed with hatred feeling against Muslims by spreading a false propaganda that “Babri Majid was built by demolishing Ram Temple”

          If the propaganda of Saffron Group ” Babri majid was built after demolishing Ram Temple” is true then no Muslims will fight for this issue. Because in Islam, demolishing other religious Temple is strictly prohibited. Due to their false claim about Ram Temple, Muslims are fighting to get back their mosque.

          We don’t want to divert the subject by exposing the comment of Chatterji, AK majumdhar, Nehru that RAM is an imaginary character.

          Because the subject is to discuss by doing research whether any Ram temple exists in the disputed location ? Whether Majid was built in that location by demolishing Ram temple? Not about the existence of Ram or whether it is imaginary character or not!!!

          Even Ram is an imaginary character; no Muslims will accept the demolition of Ram temple and build a mosque in that location.

          Was Ram born at Ayodhya ?

          We’ll see how the claim of Ram born in that disputed location will be true.
          Whatever the decision Hindus want to take, it should not be fundamentally taken from the comment of RSS or any other saffron organization. It should be taken from Hindus Vedas and Purunas. In fact, it would be opposite to Hindu ideology, if some decision taken apart from this jurisdiction of Vedas.

          Valmiki wrote first about Ram and his words explained everything about Ram in crystal clear format. Valmiki explained in his Ramayana that he born at DHIREDHA Yuga.
          A basic measurement unit of time, to denote the Hindu’s belief of time is Yuga. There are four Yugas.

          Kirudha yuga 17,28,000 ( 17 lakhs, 28 thousands ) years
          Dhiredha Yuga 12,96,000 ( 12 lakhs, 96 thousand) years
          Duvaba Yuga 8,64,000 ( 8 lakhs, 64 thousand ) years
          Kali Yuga 4,32,000 ( 4 lakhs, 32 thousand ) years

          Now we are living in the time of Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga starts before 3102 years of Christ. Now 2009 finished after Christ. So 5110 years finished after kali yuga starts.

          Duvaba yuga was before Kali Yuga and Ram didn’t born during this time. Before this was Dhiredha Yuga and even Ram born during last stage of this Yuga and according to Valmiki Ramayana’s Judgment ” Ram should have born before 8,69,110 years ( 8,64,000 + 5110 )

          Like Valmiki Ramayana told about Ram’s Yuga, he specified the birth place too that is “He born at Ayodhya city ”
          That means ” Ayodhya” should exists before 8 Lakhs, 64 thousand years. A report was submitted on 1976, 77 by central government archeological department regarding ” when Ayodhya appeared?”. This report in its 52, 53 page explained that “A place name called Ayodhya in which people started dwelling was before 700 BC.
          That means, before 2708 years, there would be no Ayodhya according to their archeological research.

          Afterwards this was re-researched by C.P.Lal and K.N Theetjit , a notable historian. They also found that it was true whatever the archeological department found.

          Valmiki told that Ram born before 8 lakhs 69 thousand years at Ayodhya, but it is crystal clear that there was nothing called Ayodhya at that time.

          How Hindus can conclude by neglecting Ramayana and archeological finding?

          The age of this Ayodhya is 2708 years. But this is not the one explained by Ramayana. May be it is in different place. It is general to find many places in the same name. By considering these facts, they have to come for conclusion, which will not contradict with Ramayana and research facts.
          There is lot of testimonials in Ramayana that Ram born at Ayodhya which is different from the existing one.
          While speaking about Ayodhya, Ramayana spoke about Sarayu River. Sarayu River exists 1.5 yojan distances from Ayodhya. (1.5 yojan means 23 kilometers )

          Even though there’s one river called Sarayu at Ayodhya, it’s running inside the city, not 23 kilometers away from the city.

          That means, Ayodhya and Sarayu River told by Ramayana is not the existing one. Ramayana teachings will be correct when you believe Sarayu River flows 23 kilometers away from Ayodhya.

          People are simply neglecting Hinduism, if they consider existing Ayodhya is same like Ayodhya explained in Ramayana.
          Also Valmiki Ramayana explains that “ Sarayu River join with Ganga”. But this Sarayu River mingles with Raabthi River. What we learnt from this? Ramayana doesn’t denote this Ayodhya and Sarayu river. Also Valmiki Ramaya explains Sarayu river flows from east to west. But Sarayu river in UP flow from west to east.

          A researcher, Saer Singh Identified a truth. There is one Ayodhya at Nepal. 20 kilometers away from that city one river is flowing from east to west. Also it mingles with Ganga.
          So, those who believe Ram born at Ayodhya, which is at Uttarpradesh, are neglecting Ramayana and its ideology.

          Real Ayodhya should be one, which was explained by the Ramayana with all testimonials.

          was Ram temple existed at Ayodhya ?
          Babar Majid was build at 1528. We’ll see whether any truth present with the opinion of ” Mir Baahi” a minister of Baber, who was accused for demolishing Ram Temple in the disputed location”
          RSS claimed that Ram temple was built by king Vikramathithya. Vikramathidya is general name like Chola,Pandya kings. Chandra Gupta, samutra Gupta kings are called in the name of Vikramathidya.
          They contradict in specifying the actual king who really built the Ram temple. There is not fact in their claim.
          Gupta kings ruled some part of U.P during the period 300 AD to 1100 AD. These kings who ruled for 800 years are called as Vikramathidya.
          During the period 300 AD to 1100 AD, there was not even a smell of human at Ayodhya, according to the chief of Indian Archeological department.
          P.P Lal who submitted research report and was published at famous magazines” The Week” (25.02.1990) and “Sunday Times” (20.11.1987 ). In that report, after showing several evidences, he was confidently explained that, at Ayodhya during that period of 300 – 1100 AD, there was no human, building, temple or anything.
          In some place, which is untouched by human, how can they build a temple? How Baber can demolish a temple which was not existed? I request Hindu Brothers and sisters to think about this.

          When Ram was worshipped as God?
          If temple to be built for Ram, it should be built after Ram was worshipped as God. Now Hindus are worshiping Ram as God, but they didn’t do it before. Ram was not considered as God, Especially during the period of 300-1100 AD, which was claimed by RSS, the time when Ram temple was built.
          Amar Simha of AD 600, released many Sanskrit Poetry resources in the name of ” Amara Kosa”. In that, those who are worshipped as God in India were specified. Ram name was not in the list. So Hindus during that period were not considering Ram as GOD’s Avatar and its considered as big testimonial.
          A Sadhu called Lakhsmidhar, collected the information of all sacred place up to 11th century (until last time of Gupta Dynasty). Ayodhya Ram temple is not existed in that.
          If Ram temple was build during Gupta period, why it was not included in the list of sacred place?
          Same like that, S.S.Iyer , a notable research scholar, published book called ” Indian Temples, Historic notes”. He didn’t specify anything about Ram temple. He noted five temples which was built by Vikramathidya. Ayodhya Ram temple is not there.
          At 1989 November 12, IAS officer Ramachandra Kadri wrote one article at “Radiance”. He referred so many evidences with Encyclopedia like Britannica and comment that only after 1100 AD, Ram was worshipped as God.
          That means, until the last period of Gupta kings, Ram was not worshipped as God. Can any Hindu who has real conscience, believe that Ram temple was build during the Gupta period?
          If we want to tell more clearly, Valmiki wrote Ramayana in Sanskrit. Sanskrit was not popularly spoken by all people and only Brahmins knew about that. Because of this Ram was not considered as God.
          Valmiki Ramayana was translated and released in Hindi by Tulsi Das. After that, Ramayana was very famous among people. After Tulsi Das translated Ramayana in Hindi, people start considering Ram as God’s Avatar.
          What’s the time of Tulsi Das ? Tulsi Das Lived during the period of Baber (in Ayodhya ), which was claimed for demolition of Ram temple. Baber ruled during 1500 AD and Tulsi was living under that rule.
          Ramayana was translated in Hindi during the rule of Baber and that time Ram was not considered as God. So it becomes true that Hindu people didn’t have any knowledge about him.
          How Ram was worshiped as GOD when Ramayana was not spread across people? How temple was build for him? Dear Hindu Brothers and sisters, think about this.
          India’s first president was Dr. Radha Krishnan. His son Gopal who was good Hindu devotee and very good research scholar too. In his research article, he proclaimed that “There was no temple for Ram before 1750 AD, in any part of India. He confidently declared that “All Ram temple belongs to 18th century”.
          if Ram temple was not existed before 200 years, how Baber demolish Ram temple at Disputed location of Ayodhya. I request every citizen, to think about this.
          The truth is, the foundation of Babri Majid was laid by Ibrahim Lodi, on 1524. He was unable to continue the service for long time and he was killed in war by Baber. Then, Baber build a Majid, with the foundation laid by Ibrahim Lodi. So it is untrue to tell that Baber demolished the temple.

          Will Baber Demolish temple ?
          So far, the evidences provided here is enough for everyone, who can really able to distinguish between good and bad. For debate purpose, even though if any temple was there in the disputed location, Baber would not demolish that.
          Because, in same Ayothya, for five temples like Hunumangiri ,Jenmasthan, Baber provided incentives by writing in brass . This been safeguarded still now by temple management and was reiterated with evidences by Ramrasha Thiribathi.
          How a person will demolish a temple, who provided incentives to many temples?
          Also the population of Muslims during Baber reign would be meager when compared with present population. Sovereignty of the kingdom will be maintained only by the support of majority Hindus. Baber would be thrown-out from his throne, by agitators of Hindu Majority, if their temple was demolished. No king will be involved in such activities, if he really wants to retain his power.
          Hindus during that time were not involved in any riots or agitation, but only welcomed all Mughal heirs like Babar, his son Humayun, his son Akbar. This shows the courtesy and kindness were showered by Mughal emperors towards Hindu majority.
          During the last time of Baber, he wrote one WILL to his son Humayun written in Persian language and it is been preserved still today at Central government’s National museum at Delhi. In that he gave advise as “Dear son, you are going to rule a country where Hindus are in majority. They are respecting COW as God. So don’t eat Cow’s meat (Beef) at any instance.
          How a Good Citizen can believe that Baber demolished a temple, who advised his son to renounce the eating habit of Cow’s meat (beef)?
          Guru Nanak who founded Sikh religion was considered as big enemy during Baber’s reign. He rigorously opposed Baber, especially for the issues related with women. If Baber demolished the temple, he would have indicated that with his strong resentment. But history commenting that he went to Ayodhya and enjoyed the beauty of Babri Majid’s Structure.
          Person like him who lived in those years only knew that whether Baber constructed Majid by demolishing temple. In such case, he would never enjoy its building structure.
          Some falsely imagine and claim that people didn’t oppose the rule because of Babar’s tyrant nature.
          Baber was neither hated by Hindu people nor was he was a tyrant king. This is the truth. For debate purpose, if we consider Baber was a tyrant king, it would not be true.
          After Baber, his kingdom was ruled by his son Humayun. After 25 years of Baber’s death, his grandson Akbar ruled the kingdom. He gave up Islam and was following New Religion Din-ilahi, for which he was the founder. Akbar was like a Hindu king and even he got appreciation from many saffron organizations.
          If Baber demolished the temple, it should have been noticed by many people who lived during the period of Akbar too. They don’t need to worry about Akbar and they would have asked to rebuild the temple which was demolished by his grandfather. Surely, Akbar would have satisfied such people, if his grandfather would have demolished such structure. People could have requested, only if temple was demolished!!! But there happened no such incidents.
          We’ll leave that. Even after the Mughals era was ended by Britishers, this issue was not raised by anyone until 1948. There was no case registered too.
          In 200 years rule of British:
          No case was registered during British rule against the demolition of mosque and nobody requested British government to get back their temple.
          Problem suddenly rose to its full vigor only after December 23, 1949, when a mob placed Ram idol inside the mosque.
          In Ayodhya there are more than 30 Temples which manifest about Ram’s birth place. Hindu scholars identified many places as Ram’s birth place and they didn’t include Babri Majid among them.
          This was the reality, until saffron group diverted the attention of Hindus by such false claims.
          Saffron Group discovered that by evoking extreme hatred among Hindus and Muslims, they can capture the opportunity to rule India from Congress. Finally they captured the rule by cheating innocent Hindu citizens who believe that” All the glitters are Gold “.

          Dear Hindu Brothers and Sisters!!!
          We’ll strive to preserve the UNITY.
          We’ll neglect communal forces, which have vested interest in creating extreme friction to the development of our country.
          We’ll work hard for the economic development of our country and for its prosperous future.

          SOURCE: http://www.tntj.net

          -English Translation Shahbazullah Khan


          (¨`·.·´¨) Always
          `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) Keep
          (¨`·.·´¨)¸.· Smiling!
          `·.¸.·´


          Thanks & Regards

          Shahbazullah Khan

          • neha says

            i totally agree wid u Shahbazullah Khan.. if we go on fighting lyk this how will the country develop.. even if its lord ram’s birthplace nobody has a right to demolish masjid that was built almost 400 yrs ago.. all this corruption is hppening due to politicians who, instead of promoting peace in the country, are spreading ill feelings among hindus and muslims.. when will this issue stop?.. its the youngsters of our country who have to take the lead..
            India is a secular country.. what impression will the other countries get if we go on lyk this..
            i hope everybody will understand this and contribute towards the development of india.. and this is only possible if we o beyond the social barrier……

          • Arya says

            @neha
            Sister, since you belong to secular lobby, it is expected from you that you will condemn demolition of Masjid with your greatest force but will not say even a single word for demolition of temple. This issue will stop only when secular like you will stop beating their chests for their impotency and start realizing the truth.

          • Indian Agnostic says

            Mohtarma Neha,

            Wake up!

            India is not a ‘secular’ country but it practices a very skewed indigenous version of the same.Get educated on ‘savra dharma sambhava’

            sarva dharma sambhava enables the government to:

            1) sanction Haj subsidies , which will now go directly to Saudi Airlines (Air India has lost the order as ‘secular’ Indian Muslims did not want Indian Airlines to get any business out of it ) BUT not provide any subsidies for amarnath yatra !
            2) usurp all the money offered at Hindu temples BUT turn a blind eye to west and Saudi funded Churches and Mosques
            3) Condemn the attempt to burn the quran in USA BUT turn a blind eye to the killing of hindus and demolition of their durga pandals in west bengal
            4) Make a national hero of Afzal Guru BUT ignore the plight of the widows of the security personnel who died protecting the parliament
            5)Go all the way to Kashmir to talk to separatist sunni muslims who want nothing less than Nizam-e-mustafa (Prophets governance – sharia etc.) in Kashmir BUT ignore the Kashmiri pandits living as refugees in their own country who were thrown out of the valley violently by their ‘secular’ muslim brothers

            secularism and appeasement are NOT synonymous! …wake up

          • khan says

            The Nude murti’s were built as a way of entertainment centers, because there were no theators, pubs and movies to watch. Hence these so called temples were the places for the people to go and watch the nudity and enjoy the art as in todays world we go to movies or pubs. Now, the hindu (migrated tribes – those who argue please read the history) has turned into worshippers of idols. those Idols who exist on the mercy of bhakts. What a shame on the part of educated stupids.

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @khan

            1. Even at the time of prophet there were no multiplexes ..while the idolators worshipped nude murtis ..the prophet brought in a nude 6 year old gal home to fondle ..which one og these is not only stupid BUT DISGUSTING for an educated mind?

            2. worshiping a nude stone is a lesser sin than lusting and sleeping with a little gal ..don’t you agree?

            next time you talk about ‘educated minds’ ..please ensure that your post reflects that you are one

            best regards

          • Ajay says

            KHAN BROTHER there is much VULGARITY in your KAABA AND MASJID do you know the RIGHT HAND OF ALLAH IDOL kept in KAABA, which the UMMAH says guides the believers in their prayers really is the vagina of Goddess VENUS/ISHTAR, the day of this goddess is Friday, on which day the Muslim keep Sabbath. Black stone with silver casing inspired Mohammad to support
            female circumcision.

            Your MASJID IS ALSO FILLED WITH SEX SYMBOLS like the minarets are symbol of ALLAH’S OR NIMROD’S PENIS and the DOME is symbol of Boobs (Babri Masjid’s dome is the biggest example of this). That is why SWITZERLAND banned Minarets because of aggressive phallic symbolism .

            http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/42435

          • Ajay says

            KHAN BROTHER do you know ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY has come from the most perverted PHALLIC SEX CULT OF BABYLON see the below link with PICTURES

            http://therr9.wordpress.com/tag/theology/

            hxxp//chriswillard.multiply.com/journal/item/279/?&item_id=279&view:replies=reverse

            if you want more details about this topic there are very good books one of the book is:

            MOON-O-THEISM RELIGION OF A WAR AND MOON GOD PROPHET YEOL NATAN

            This is a COOL BOOK ABOUT ISLAM
            .

          • sanatanaakki says

            @neha

            secular people like u will never understand what u people are loosing day by day!!

            U keep hand on your heart and think..on what is say

            1) How many Muslim countries world have.?
            2) How many Christians countries world have?
            3) ANY JEWISH COUNTRY?
            4) Buddhist countries?
            5) WHere is our Hindu country?

            Don’t we have right to have our own hindu country…today many places are demanding diff states as majority of population is converted to either muslim or christian..

            Its time to wake up for sickular dream or day will come when u dont have a place to live ur very home hindustan will be divided into so many pieces and u will only cry…

            JAI SHREE RAm

          • ABHISHEK says

            how could you say that these historians are true and non biased?
            do you know that even well known american historians have claimed that prophet pbuh!
            didnt existed 1400 years ago
            many of the ex- muslims have evidentially proved that islam is nothing but a second hand book of judaism.
            how could you claim that your religion exists.
            a cheap example
            all the people who are born judas will have the privilege to go of heaven
            All the muslims will go in jannat
            the second thing your religion says
            surrender and submission
            surrender
            if you believe that one should surrender to allah then what are the tasks given by allah
            dont demolish other holysites of others
            you say that
            do you know india once existed
            upto afghanistan (actually from eastern europe to east asia during vikramaditya’s reign, now dont say who was he ? or the historians said their was no vikram since people like you may even ask evidences 4 d the holy prophet,go to wikipedia images), but your cheap congress biased historians were not paid to say beyond afghanistan, so lets proceed
            what happened to the temples ? is the islamic republic govt. taking care of mohan jodaro or harappa sites. oh my god when it comes to muslim majority the nation should be islamic, but when hindu majority dharmnirpeksha rashtra.thios is the sacrifice of your religion.(one eye ordered).because it is written in quran thats why other religions are false and your religion is the purest.
            sabhi musalmaan jannat jayenge. kyo waha par bhi aarakshan chalta hai kya?
            sacrifice
            most of the carnivores and omnivores are found in your religion.
            you call killing n animal a sacrifice, as your prophet said, but my dear brother if instead of killing an animal on the day of eid al ajuha, if you sacrifice your own blood (blood donation) will your allah become angry, or it is a satanic act, or you consider that by that you will be no longer muslim?
            in fact not killing an animal is a huge sacrifice for a follower who regularly kills valid animals.
            i wont excuse even hindus on the name of caste argue “hamare yaha par allowed hai”
            but in the religious scriptures of hindus there is no permission to kill animals for meal.
            your dr. zakir naik had commented that sacrificing animals has been depicted in the vedas at the indication of ashvamedha, when he doesnt knows sanskrit how could he make false claims, sacrifice or tyaag in hinduism was earlier considered as giving a fresh healthy live stock to other poor person for use in domestic purposes like milking, labour, driving and cloth.
            but centuries after centuries people around india like west & central asians and beyond europe derived the word daan as kurbaani or sacrifice. which as per their destructive minds became giving a creature to brahman or brahma or god, and they went on the conception of killing animals , as per the islam religions god is separate from this world. isiliye unme khudaai nahi hote or sabse zyada paap wahi karte hai. and so,instead of donating an animal to a person, they send it to god.
            many non veggys argue that eating a goat, and other valid animals is a food chain, then my dear, kya food chain yahi khatam ho jaati hai, agar koi sher insaan ko khale to kisi bhi desh ki govt use aadamkhor declare kr deti hai?
            kyo bhai kabhi early man sher bhaloo, magarmachh ka nashta hua karta tha. ab agar koi bhi jaanvar apko kha le to usko marwa diya jaega isliye because vote nahi de sakta aur apke relatives bharat ke voter hai?
            jaha bolna chahiye waha aap dimag nahi lagayenge bas ram ji nakli the muhammad sahab asli the.un cheezo ko bhula do jinka wastawikta se naata haiyaar tumne mera 1 ghanta waste kr diya

          • Aditya Kumar says

            @khan ,it could be true that ,it is not the same ayodhya as mentioned in ramayan, but you could not deny the character of Babur as pevert , homosexual, and babri as rembrance to his lover babri

          • Senthil says

            You’ve done a lot of homework, but in vain. All that you have stated here has been proved rubbish. Seems you still live in the 4th century.

          • M. Diwakar says

            I will not comment about all the things that this writer says. I will restrict myself to just one. He contends that Ram worship is only about 200 years old, and invokes the authority of S. Gopal to justify his thesis. There is a Ram temple in Andhra Pradesh, Sri Sita Ramaswamy temple, in Bhadrachalam, in Khammam district. It was built during the time of Abul Hassan Qutb Shah (1672-87), the ruler of Golconda. It is a historical fact, since the builder, Gopanna, later Bhakta Ramadas, was jailed by Abul Hassan Qutb Shah for building the temple. Gopanna was the tahsildar of the area when he built the shrine, allegedly using embezzled funds. This is a historical, verifiable fact. As for S. Gopal, he was not an unbiased author. He could have been S. Radhakrishnan’s son, but he was one of the earliest historians of the JNU variety, the kind who hates everything Hindu.

      • sri4u says

        Originally Babur himself belongs / born to a non-Islamic tribe called Barlas in Uzbekistan which was of Mongol origin, had embraced Turkish culture after converting to Islam.
        Babur a Mongol (Mughal in Persian) was thrown away from his dynasty by his own blood related uncles. Then he crossed Hindu Kush Mountains in Afghanistan, captured Kabul and established his new kingdom. Unable to re-capture his own / original dynasty in Uzbekistan, he attacked on North India to spread his Mongol (Mughal) empire.
        He never went back to his native / birth place Uzbekistan. As per his wishes, Babur was buried at Kabul, Afghanistan.
        Surprisingly many cultural slaves in India feel proud to defend this foreign invaders blood stained glory and fight with their own nationals to protect the illegal monuments built by him.
        It is a shameless act and I feel pity on such Indians, who feel justified in defending this barbaric foreign invader, who attacked and destroyed on our own / original culture by force / sword.

      • samantha francis says

        @ismail,
        Asaalam alaikum
        Brother I am a reverted muslim and understand the sentiments of both Hindus and muslims, these people who have commented especially this ass hole agniveer is not a hindu he is from vedic relegion, instead of creating hatred amongst or hindu brothers, who are nowhere involved here please tell this to this nelwy emerged pain in our India to get lost or else we muslims and our hindu brothers will kick his and his fellow mates ass so hard, that these guys wud be finding no places to hide, they are trying to break our country more on the basis of relegion :)

        • adolf says

          @samantha francis,
          >>> Brother I am a reverted muslim and understand the sentiments of both Hindus and muslims.

          You are not at all a muslim, as you are eating non halal rice of india, where the rice is offered to sun god or some other god (It was treated as annapurna again a god in hindu psyche) after the harvest. Read jinnahs view on this. Simply speaking you are comiting a shirk.

          >>>These people who have commented especially this ass hole agniveer is not a hindu he is from vedic relegion,

          Hinduism is set of philosophies which trace back their source to vedas. So vedic religion is not different from hinduism.
          labeling some one as kafir and fit to be killed is in muslims psyche and that is making you to lable agniveer as asshole.

          >>>instead of creating hatred amongst or hindu brothers, who are nowhere involved here please tell this to this nelwy emerged pain in our India to get lost or else we muslims and our hindu brothers will kick his and his fellow mates ass so hard, that these guys wud be finding no places to hide.

          Jinnah has already broken one part and brother gilani is in the process of breaking one more part kashmir. Whereever islam spreads it becomes a threat to the existing culture, and in modern terminiology it can be labelled something similar to invading species.

          >>> they are trying to break our country more on the basis of relegion

          You should be in pakistan.Your forefathers statyed in india because they dont want to lose their property.But you are intelligent enough. Please do not commit the shirk of eating food offered to god other than allah.

    • Pkj says

      Agniveer Ji,

      I really appreciate the new angle you have highlighted for such a controversial issue.
      For time pass it was really good.
      I just have few point to say.

      Do you think India currently or 60 yrs back also in position to correct such mistakes in such a way.
      Or are we really prepared to devote our time/energy in such thing.

      There is lots of other important things to do, compared to removing such structure. We are still not capable to keep our vicinity clean by any way. I just feel I am being looted if any paying tax to the gov.
      Before going for such cleanification derive we should think about our next generation.

      If any group is so keen to clean our country based on the history I can tell 1000 such structures (including TajMahal) where our politically motivated Jigadi can do loot and destroy it.

      I would request everyone to spend his energy and time for his development and if possible for his family.
      We Indian in general now don’t left with strength and skills to help country or world to make a peaceful place.

      Shubh chintak,
      Pkj

      • Arya says

        @Pkj
        “I”, “we”, “our”, which you have used quite frequently in your short comment will be irrelevant if you dont survive. All people of Indian subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afganistan) were “we” some 1300 years back and now, half of its population and more than half of the land is no more “we” and “our” respectively. Please think a bit deeper, I know you wont be happy to pass your time as a slave to a Momin!

    • Advani says

      Based on the archaeological evidence presented before it, a team of historian comprising R.S.Sharma, M. Athar Ali, D.N. Jha and Suraj Bhan reached the following conclusions:

      · There is no evidence to suggest that prior to the 16th century was there any veneration attached to Ayodhya as the birthplace of Ram.

      · There is no evidence to support the theory that a Ram temple existed at the site where the Babri Masjid was built in 1528-29.

      · The legend that the Babri Masjid occupied the site of Ram‚s birthplace did not arise until the late 18th century. The theory that a temple had been demolished to pave way for a mosque was first asserted in the 19th century.
      The simple truth is that it is impossible to identify a particular site as the place where Ram was born. As for the question of faith, there is no evidence to suggest that a popular belief of a religious community suggested that Ram was born in Ayodhya.

    • Ravi kumar says

      Ramyan itself is fictious story,being myself a hindu i went into the history of RAM,I am sorry to say its jsut a fake made up story and in my opinion Ram was an ordinary king like any other muslim ruler.So many muslim kings have born in india ,it does not mean we will consider them as Akbar janamboomi,Bahdur shah zafar janamboomi.
      I feel very sad to inform my hindu brothers that we can never proof that Ram and ordinary king could have born on that place., bcz we dont know his birth place.THE reality is that a majid was there,so a majid should be made again.
      Even we have doubts of rama sethu bridge,when we people are not sure of a man Rama how could we blame muslims.

        • mak says

          IT WAS 1526 HISTORY NO DEMOCRACY YET EVEN WHEN UK RULED INDIA.

          Result is 2/3 for hindus and 1/3 is for muslims .

          please pass this message to all reviewers t

          Anybody can divide and rule and come to politics and become MP easlly get monthly income and benefits without work..verdict is welcomed by alland me . we dont know international community will repsonse yet.
          we need to ask urgently to indian community britishers occupied india and were very cruel just few centuries before. they have their buildings all over india. do we have to demolish them and make build own country buildings ??? might have raped mothers and sisters ///jalian wala bagh tragedy , dandi march etc etc // so many tortues>>>srilanka believe ravan and india prays ram. we cannot tel anything good or bad on their lives but its their own opinion. baber might be gay or homo. but pooja or namaaz can be done any place.
          INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WONT ACCEPT ANYTHING AGAINST ISLAM TO COMPARE WITH BAD PEOPLE.

          IT IS THE DISPUTE OF PLACE WHERE THEY WORSHIPPING .SIMULTANEOUS PLACES.
          compund wall hindus and tomb muslims

          I WOULD STRONGLY ADVICE ALL BROTHERS TO HAND THAT DIPSPUTED TOMB MUST GO FOR ARCHEALOGICAL ,GOVT OF INDIA UNDERTAKE.
          Rest chabutra for temple and other end demolished mosque for other two tombs must for muslim prayers
          .
          Iam educated and all peoplke are literate that it was a historical building of either babur or ceaser constructed in 1526 not the present hindu muslim.nobody can destroy anybody possessions.

          if we can then lets go to uk and get back our kohinoor brithshers exhibiting tworld.lets wage war or occupy uk with karsevaks.and muslims

          life ishort and now in 3 months b4 dec 6,it must for all matured people to clear open the eyes.and live peace and harmony.

          cheers… guys //

      • Indian Agnostic says

        Mohtaram Ravi Kumar,

        Since you are ill-educated on Indian History you are naive enough to suggest that India should create bhoomis for Invaders who looted our country and created many ravi kumars out of our otherwise normal intelligent and prosperous citizenry

        If ravi kumars of India had their way ..you would soon have a kasab bhoomi or afzal bhoomi in India ..since their birth certificates are with the government now.

        Look at your dumb argument…you are quick to get the masjid built as if Islam precedes Hinduism!

        In India there were only temples before Islamic Ghazis invaded this country and destroyed this peaceful civilization..Babur was a known temple destroyer ..he felt proud of his ghazawat (killing of infidel ravi kumars and their temples) at Chanderi

        Their is more evidence against Babur the temple destroyer than the ravi kumars would let us believe

        best regards

      • Arya says

        @Ravi Kumar, a Mujahid in disguise
        “Even we have doubts of rama sethu bridge,when we people are not sure of a man Rama”

        And you are sure of Muhammad and his flying donkey, heaven and hell etc etc!

        • aby says

          Ravi Kumar has doubts about existence of Shri Ram but I am sure he has no doubt that he’s son of babar, Humayun, Akbar, Aurangzeb and now Kasab…

          • mak says

            yaar kasab is india and pakistan international issue. not related to mosque or mandir.. please get educate… cheers

      • sanatanaakki says

        @ Ravi kumar

        Our hindu heros….don’t know anything and say too much…

        try to understand reality before making others irritate….

        Hari Bol

  1. Prashanth K.P. says

    An intellectual approach to this article would derive the effect intended, with a bit of humour of course, of the solidarity between the eternal enemies. However, comical as it may read, Islam is not open to debates or arguments. What has been scriptured remains unquestionable. Hence, the barbarity of a 1500 odd year old period is put as doctrines of discipline and god spoken principles. I have come across several written debates and narratives on the Babri-Ram Janmabhoomi subject, but never as cleverly put in as this. You deserve congrats for approaching the sensitive subject from an entirely different angle not commonly thought of. Well done.

  2. Neo-ritz says

    ‘cst should be named as kasab bhoomi’ Agniveer ji you ahve given a great Idea to sickulars, surely they will try their best to appease muslims.

  3. Sirf-Muslim says

    Dear Agniveer.

    OK let us assume that Babur was not at all a Muslim by Islamic doctrine and his acts and so eradication of Masid built in his name is justified. Now I invite agniveer team to my city in India to annihilate many Ganesh and Durga Pandals which are erected by powerful local anti-social elements by forceful grabbing of money from common people of the city. This will be a more powerful demo of Hindu-Muslim solidarity. And if this demo is carried out across our country best results would be obtained.

    • Shodh says

      @Sirf-Muslim You said
      “Now I invite agniveer team to my city to India to annihilate many Ganesh and Durga Pandals which are erected by powerful local anti-social elements by forceful grabbing of money from common people of th city.”
      Ans: Since you did appeal to Agniveer and Team, Ganesh Pandals and Durga Pandals are temporary during festival period only. Now grabbing of money: How did you come to know? Your information is wroung. If you are talking about anti-social elements local powerful etc then I would say there are such Rowdies and Underworld, Gangster influenced area, they do. Not all every where. The Namaz offered on every Jumma (count how many fridays in calendar year against 10days of such Hindus Festival) makes road block, huge traffic jam to commuters. Do not oppose just to sake of oppose the point.
      If you want I will dig out entire history how the Islam spread in Indus Valley and i.e. with archelogical, mughal farsi scriptures evidences.

      • akkisanatana says

        Very good………

        Muslims must understand how they disturb whole society around them……

        and mostly when namaz is said on speaker in masjit…..they dont complete namaz at one stroke but…….after one masjit completed namaz in speaker other will start and so on…….and namaz goes for like 1 hr or so………..

        how much sound pollution i can say……am i rite!!

        • says

          You said that juma’s namaz causes sound pollution and traffic jam…….

          Come to the point -the statue are being thrown in river in most of your festival how much echofriendly your fucking dirty statue like durga ganesh are?

          • Whatupmabitches? says

            Yeh it is eco-freindly you faggot they are bio-degradable. Shame I cant say the same thing about Islam.
            :D

          • aby says

            Nizam why dont you also have statues in your religion…will be fun…we can have Ganesh puja and prophet puja…then we can jointly go for immersion…what say? and dont get hurt by the namaz thing…it seriously disrupts traffic…why should any religion be allowed to block public property…I have a simple solution..you guys stop multipying so fast so that namaz dosn’t become a hassle for others

          • sanatanaakki says

            The ony difference between Ganesh idol submersed and ur namaz in speakers are u do this daily and irriate people around u and one day we do u get so much frustrated coz u people are not good…

            u cant digest others happiness……

          • Mojahed says

            Assalamwlekum,

            Please dont’ abuse gods of hindus because Allah prohibits this in quran. dont’ get agitate & angry then the people ( like Mr Arya, aby,Indian Agnostic) who want to destroy the peace of this nation will be successful, moreover it’s against Islam.

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @Mojahed bro,

            I don;t want to destroy the peace of this nation but bring it back

            look at your name and mine ..you are a mujahid who could kill non-muslims to reach jannah ..i am an agnostic and would never do such a foolish and inhuman thing ever!

            and thank god (if there is one) that you have not READ the quran ..because if you would have read it you would have known that Islam is highly intolerant of non-muslims.

            read my posts above to see the violent verses of the quran ..the God of quran curses every other god and places Muhammad as the interceder of affairs

            Your message is beautiful INspite of the quranic teachings and NOT despite quranic teachings

            peace

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @Mojahed bro,

            i forgot to give you an Islamic reference of Muhammad sanctioning (rather asking) Muslims to be antagonistic to others ..even through words

            Sunnan Abu Dawud
            Book 14, Number 2498:

            Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
            The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: USE YOUR property, your persons any your TONGUES in striving AGAINST THE POLYTHEISTS.

            source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/014.sat.html#014.2498

            so you see , the muslims who are bad mouthing other religions here are following the sunnah of the prophet !

            thank god(if there is one) that you never came across this ‘divine’ dictact of Islam

            best regards

        • Sufiyan Bin Sulaiman Bin Yusuf says

          @ akkisanatana

          what do u wanna say about all the noice in Mandirs when you held Puja. Isn’t that sound pollution ? and how about the noice of bell in mandirs.

          • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

            well if mandirs put the bell under a loudspeaker, then its wrong.. and why Masjids need a LoudSpeaker? if one has to pray he/she can do it in a natural way..or allah does not hear without a loudspeaker or is he sleeping or what is the reason.
            Now dont tell me that others are need to made aware of the timing, in modern times everone has a watch.. so this medevial/historic and useless practice is for sure outdated.
            give it a thought and dont just jump to conclustions.

          • Top Gun says

            @ आर्यव्रतस्थ moron :)

            well if mandirs put the bell under a loudspeaker, then its wrong.. and why Masjids need a LoudSpeaker? ,

            Yo yo yo u hold on dumb faggot, in durga and ganesh puja and others occcations dont u fuck enviorement with sound pollution?

            and in diwali u ppl polute air and sound 98% more thn natural?

          • SDC says

            Well, at least the pollution caused is way much less than that caused by your peace-loving brethren who indulge in terror activities (read: bomb blasts).

          • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

            @Top Gun
            thanks for your comments and generous similies :)

            well thats what is called a festival that last for predifined duration and gets over..
            what would you say if people made those noises day in and day out.. that too making sure that everyone hears it by using loudspeakers..?!

          • sanatanaakki says

            @Top Gun

            We hindus are vegetarian more than 40 percent of hindus are vegetarin….

            do u know how much polllution non veg cause…….

            its nothing in front of festivals…..

            our diwali pollution is nothing in front of a new building opening in dubai or china or america….

            dont compare our things with yours.

            One kG of meat use 16000 litres of water now thats called pollution morons….

        • neha says

          @akkisanatana : and do u know how much sound pollution is created by ramayan… how can u say such a thing.. its u people who will dance all night to the sound of DJ and will not utter a word.. bt namaz is noise for u??? its bcoz of u people that such communal riots take place.. c’mon when will u understand.. all indians are ur brothers.. how can u hurt them??
          plz spread peace not hatred..

          • sanatanaakki says

            @neha

            secular people like u will never understand what u people are loosing day by day!!

            U keep hand on your heart and think..on what is say

            1) How many Muslim countries world have.?
            2) How many Christians countries world have?
            3) ANY JEWISH COUNTRY?
            4) Buddhist countries?
            5) WHere is our Hindu country?

            Don’t we have right to have our own hindu country…today many places are demanding diff states as majority of population is converted to either muslim or christian..

            Its time to wake up for sickular dream or day will come when u dont have a place to live ur very home hindustan will be divided into so many pieces and u will only cry…

            JAI SHREE RAm

          • hindu militant says

            yes we like sound pollution created by hindu festivals, and not by namaz. I am biased. Problem?

        • says

          Sorry to tell this , the fact is we pary on loud speakers for not more than 5mins but you stand in each nd evry lane exposing your god with a hell of sound the month your ganesh festival starts it continues for the hole month , next starts dussera , den depawali you have all festivals which are related to sound and pollutions , and traffic jam what do you buy telling this ha , you guys have the freedom to drink and dance in front of the idol whr evr you feel like ???

          Stop passing foolish comments get matured soon ????

          • Indian Agnostic says

            i agree with you..all kind of pollution should be banned .

            the muslims should stop the daily nuisance and the hindus should stop the quarterly nusiance

            muslims should also ensure that they don’t create traffic jams at roads ..which is a common scene across the world ..and it’s a daily recursive affair

            are you game?

      • mak says

        IT WAS 1526 HISTORY NO DEMOCRACY YET EVEN WHEN UK RULED INDIA.

        Result is 2/3 for hindus and 1/3 is for muslims .

        please pass this message to all reviewers t

        Anybody can divide and rule and come to politics and become MP easlly get monthly income and benefits without work..verdict is welcomed by alland me . we dont know international community will repsonse yet.
        we need to ask urgently to indian community britishers occupied india and were very cruel just few centuries before. they have their buildings all over india. do we have to demolish them and make build own country buildings ??? might have raped mothers and sisters ///jalian wala bagh tragedy , dandi march etc etc // so many tortues>>>srilanka believe ravan and india prays ram. we cannot tel anything good or bad on their lives but its their own opinion. baber might be gay or homo. but pooja or namaaz can be done any place.
        INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WONT ACCEPT ANYTHING AGAINST ISLAM TO COMPARE WITH BAD PEOPLE.

        IT IS THE DISPUTE OF PLACE WHERE THEY WORSHIPPING .SIMULTANEOUS PLACES.
        compund wall hindus and tomb muslims

        I WOULD STRONGLY ADVICE ALL BROTHERS TO HAND THAT DIPSPUTED TOMB MUST GO FOR ARCHEALOGICAL ,GOVT OF INDIA UNDERTAKE.
        Rest chabutra for temple and other end demolished mosque for other two tombs must for muslim prayers
        .
        Iam educated and all peoplke are literate that it was a historical building of either babur or ceaser constructed in 1526 not the present hindu muslim.nobody can destroy anybody possessions.

        if we can then lets go to uk and get back our kohinoor brithshers exhibiting tto world.lets wage war or occupy uk with karsevaks..

        life ishort and now in 3 months b4 dec 6,it must for all matured people to clear open the eyes.and live peace and harmony.

        cheers… guys //

        • Indian Agnostic says

          @mak

          1) respect the court order ..they have written a judgment after 60 years and in 10000 pages.
          2) if tomorrow the Taliban start building a grand mosque at the place they destroyed the Bamian Buddhas ..people like you would rush to donate for the ‘good’ cause.
          3) Even in Saudi Arabia, mosques are destroyed to pave way for roads and other infrastructure
          4) Do you want to associate as a contemporary muslim with those barabrians who destroyed tens of thousands of temples in India? ..if not than appreciate that the hindus have demanded a single temple (that too which they revere the most) out of those thousands
          5) Even from a legal perspective ..the Hindus had been praying at that place for time immemorial even after a masjid was built by destroying the temple .in short it has CONTINUITY to it ..it’s not a THING OF THE PAST ..so don;t treat it as a historical issue ..it is of our times ..although running from the times when barnarians razed the religious infrastructure and demographics of this country

          hope you understand the difference

          peace and cheers indeed [is that halaal ! ;) ]

    • ARYA XYZ says

      @ Sirf-Muslim

      I invite you in my city in the month of Mohram (Taziya), there also many big pandal are built and people were looted by many Muslims showing that your unhappiness/grief will be removed if you do so. Many more people were looted on the last day of Taziya asking for offering Chaddar of flowers, Rewadi, money and lot more. If your are not aware of this then visit your city on the last day of Taziya. You will realize.

      • Sirf-Muslim says

        Arya XYZ:

        I find most of the Agniveers more literate on Islam than Muslims themselves. Now tell me where did you find mention of this Bidah or innovation in Quran or any Hadith ?. If so called Muslims spread corruption on land they won’t be forgiven.

        In our city due to recurrent shows of strength by various Hindu organizations the so called Muslims
        indulge more and more in this Bidah by exhibiting their strength during first ten days of month of Muharram in their processions.

        Just recently a Muslim friend of mine told that last year some Hindus approached him for donation for coming Ganesh festival. When he refused to donate a big amount of money they were demanding ,”they said did not you know what happened in Gujrat “. My friend owns a big show room in a commercial area of old city.

        • ARYA XYZ says

          @ Srif-Muslim

          Yes, looking at the contents of this website, Agniveer team does lot of hard work day and night to serve the kindness to the Human beings and all other living things on this earth.

          Now you also accept that So called Muslims are also indulged in bad deeds during Taziya days. Thanks God and to this website that now you will not write anything in bias of one side only.

          So called corrupted Muslims were lived on the earth (land) since several hundred years, did Allah punish them ? How many of them? If they were heavily punished by Allah, then why did not the next generation of Muslim learn a lesson of their bad deeds? Still bad Muslims also live on this land.

          I hope now you will leave making TU-TU-MAIN-MAIN here and will get best out of the contents of this website and will help to spread the best message for kind of human beings.
          Dhanyawaad

          • Top Gun says

            Look at the history of dead sea, y its called dead.

            luk at the PAK flood, luk at the rain in rajsthn, up flood, earth quake in heidi,

            u will get ur ans i hope if u r not moron.

        • tauqeer says

          and with the money they drink liqour and gamble on back of ganpati pandal and believe that by doing this Ganpati bappa will not be able to see .People on this are well aware of this.If they are not aware just take a round of your city after 1 am during ganpati.You will find this in every 4th pandal.

          • ARYA XYZ says

            @ Taqueer,

            Taqueerji,

            How are you sure and confident that these dirty games are not played during Taziya? If you have decided not to learn good things from this website and just throwing stones in air without any aim, then you are just simply wasting your time.

            If you have some good things in your life as a human being, spend time to teach others instead wasting time.

            Dhanyawaad

          • hindu militant says

            @tauqueer, what is YOUR problem? if we drink and gamble behind ganapati bappa’s idol? I drink and dance all night on anant chaturdashi. YOU got a problem moron?

  4. Vikas says

    @Sirf-Muslim
    That was not a masjid in the first place. It was a “disputed” structure.
    I do not understand your logic. Did local anti-social elements forcefully grabbed money from YOU? Are these people homo like Babur? Do they make permanent structures? Do they kill people for it? Are these temporary pandals built on the land considered sacred by others?
    Don’t compare apples with peanuts.

    • Top Gun says

      I think ur history about ur religion is weak :)
      If u ever visited ayodhya u willsee there were 7 mandirs named RAM mandir and each pundit clamed that ram was born here?
      i want to know was there 7 rams? or only one? or those pundits r wrong? or the infomation u got is right?
      in anyways u have been proof wrong.

      ANd u saying temp. pandals, dont u know the logic behind temp. pandals,
      If u dont agree with the lines above thn u wont understand the real meaning of artificial pandals & if u understand i will tell u wht ths means :)

  5. Shashank says

    I completely with Pashanth KP. This is a unique and noble perspective of solving the long standing issue. Though it will be difficult to digest this idea by hardliners but giving a thought to Indian culture and society, it might me possible.
    I went through some other blogs also and kind of started loving it. This is indeed a very nice efforts. Congratulations and tons of support from my side.

  6. Abhishek says

    I can put English subtitle on the videos of aryasmaj debate with islam if someone can provide me the written debate …

    • sanatanaakki says

      @ abhishek..

      ask aryaji for written debate………its really required…..english subs…

      Hari bol

  7. Ram says

    The first step in the direction set by Agniveer is to propagate the extract of Babur Nama from it’s original authentic issue (might be preserved by some Islamic organisations) in the public domain. Even though I have a truly Secular leaning and I did not support Ram Mandir at this location (if it has no unanimous acceptance), I strongly want to term those who are in the side of “Babur- the Invader” as “Anti-Nationalists” or specifically “Anti-Indian”. The “Babri structure” (Don’t ever call it a Mosque) deserves to be demolished as it stands tall as a symbol of acheivement of a “Conqueror / Invader”. How many supporters for “Robert Clive or General Dyer” do we have within ourselves. When we oppose these British Invaders, why should we be loving the Arab invaders.

    • kaprix007 says

      Mu dear Ram you invite someone to save you from the hands of a tyrannical ruler and call him an INVADER!!! Wow, please read some books on the meaning and definition of INVADER

      • hindu militant says

        wow, typical muslim garbage. All muslim invaders world wide were (according to muslims) INVITED by the poor population writhing under the yoke of tyranny. Bloody idiots play semantics, instead of admitting mistakes.
        I will also invade saudi arabia, and wipe out islam from there impose hinduism, and then write history saying that the poor saudis were writhing under the tyranny of the saudi royal family. so they INVITED me.

  8. Murali Mohan says

    Pranam Agniveeer ji,

    I express my sincere thanks to you for this excellent effort, may the ‘Ultimate Reality the Supreme Lord Brahman’ bestow his choicest blessings for the selfless service you are extending to reestablish the glory of the gracious and unparalleled Sanatana Arya Dharma the only Universal and “Eternal Religion of Truth”.

  9. Sunny Chawla says

    Great article, I didn’t know Babur was like this…
    But what’s the story behind khajorao ?

    • dev says

      Lemme answer dat for you…..though it is always a good idea doing ur own research b4 posting a question….anyways, as u maybe aware people in d past were not so free to talk abt sex and of course sex education is not a concept of today….der was a strong need to pass over d secrets to d future generations…..so it was decided to build such structures….u must knw even sex is a sacred thing when under control…hope this helps!

  10. shashank kumar says

    sir…u re article will be an answer to every one…its too good..the way u approached this critical issue is mindblowing….i got to know about babar by reading dis…y dont u post u re articles on facebook regularly,,….WE HAVE .RSS GROUP..

  11. Petal Akhter says

    When Bush came to Pakistan he overheard people calling him Bahan choodh,he asked Musheraf what it meant? It means Great,that made him happy and proud and on his next stop to India ,while addressing the parliment,he paid terute by saying ,Mr Singh you are a bahaan choodh,and i am slightly bigger bahan choodh,while the biggest bahaan choodh has to be Mahtama Gandi.

    • ARYA XYZ says

      @ Petal Akhtar
      A guy like you is always exposed in a group of people that you are a follower of a mostly misleading “QURAN” by your such deeds. You read all the comments and think on yours twice. It’s a shit amongst all.

      You are in mis-concept that You belong to original Muslim caste. But Brother you don’t know that your ancestors where they were born where you live now was a part of AKHAND BHARAT. Your ancestors were forcefully converted to become Muslim from Arya people. They were following the VEDAS not QURAN. I urge you to return to your originality “Arya” and spread this message to other Muslim brothers. Demolish PAKISTAN ( which was Mohd. Ali JIna’s big mistake )and become again AKHAND BHARAT.
      PAKISTAN was not happy, is not happy and will not be happy since 1947.

      Jay HInd

      • says

        i object dude !

        you fuckin cannot tell us who was our ancestor , nor you can tell who was yours , so dont comment this next time that we whr forced to get converted

        • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

          @waseem u sure may object that is the whole point.So if you are saying that if your ancestors were not the people of Bharat then it follows that your ancestors were arabians? if that is the case this site is not for your imagination to go wild its intended for only our brothers whose ancestors were forced to covert or they would have faced death or would have been paying jaziya for the rest of their lives.

        • hindu militant says

          @waseem, OFCOURSE you were force to convert. When the muslim invaders invaded india, those hindus who couldnt defend their honour, got raped and their descendants are todays’s muslims. My ancestors defended their honour, so I am still hindu.
          I am a rajput, my ancestors come from what is India pak border, I look like a paki, does that make me one? My surname is shared with lotsss of pakis, doesnt that mean, that people of my surname , now pakis were forced to convert? moron.

  12. Nish says

    The blogger has gone mad. Babur was great king, he was no evil as painted by this dumbass blogger.

    Many Ram Temples and other temples have been constructed by thug Hindu rulers who engaged in explicit sexual acts, and they also carved them on temples to quench their libidos.

    How about destroying every temple which has been built by cruel, homosexual, tyrannical Hindu king?

    • Indian Agnostic says

      The blogger has done a thorough research and so have many others.

      It’s high time you do yours before posting trash @Nish

      do you know about chanderi ? the homo babur in order to be treated as a ghazi destroyed all the temples there and raised a pile of heads of the hindu pupil there.

      i don;t know why every bloody goon becomes a role model in Islam ..has to be something in the very beginning i guess

      • Rashmi says

        To Nish and Sirf Muslim,

        We as Indians who have been the casualties of time and made to leave our roots of sanatan dharma, are now now taught to hate Hindus/hinduism/sanatan dharma. Infact it requires greater understanding among hindus and non hindus in india to understand India. India is the birthplace of many souls who had greatest wisdom, brought all the knowledge through yogic austereties and lead perfectly moral and ethical life. Further they had reached the zenith of perfection through samadhi. I would like to quote words of Louis Francois Jacolliot (French diplomat) :

        “Besides the discoverers of geometry and algebra, the constructors of human speech, the parents of philosophy, the primal expounders of religion, the adepts in psychological and physical science, how even the greatest of our biological and theologians seem dwarfed!
        Name of us any modern discovery, and we venture to say that Indian history need not long be searched before the prototype will be found on record. Here we are with the transit of science half accomplished, and all our Vedic ideas in process of readjustment to the theories of force correlation, natural selection, atomic polarity and evolution. And here, to mock our conceit, our apprehension, and our despair, we may read what Manu said, perhaps 10,000 years before the birth of Christ:

        The first germ of life was developed by water and heat. Water ascends towards the sky in vapors; from the sun it descends in rain, from the rains are born the plants, and from the plants, animals.
        ~~~ Louis Francois Jacolliot (French diplomat) ”
        Regarding idol worship and present day crisis India/ Hindus have born all the assualt with their spiritual strength, seeing divine in every possible way i would quote here Hutson Smith an american professor.
        Enter Hinduism’s myths, her magnificent symbols, her several hundred images of God, her rituals that keep turning night and day like never ending prayer wheels. It is obtuse to confuse Hinduism’s images with idolatry, and their multiplicity with polytheism. They are ‘runways’ from which the sense-laden human spirit can rise for its “flight of the alone to the Alone. Even village priest will frequently open their temple ceremonies with the following beloved invocation:
        O Lord, forgive three sins that are due to my human limitations:
        Thou art everywhere, but I worship you here;
        Thou art without form, but I worship you in these forms;
        Thou needest no praise, yet I offer you these prayers and salutations,
        Lord, forgive three sins that are due to my human limitations.
        ~~~ Huston Smith (American professor)

        Further the words of indologist Monier williams:
        The strength of Hinduism lies in its infinite adaptability to the infinite diversity of human character and human tendencies. It has its highly spiritual and abstract side suited to the philosopher, its practical to the man of the world, its aesthetic and ceremonial side attuned to the man of the poetic feeling and imagination; and its quiescent contemplative aspect that has its appeal for the man of peace and the lover of seclusion.
        ~~~ Sir Monier Monier-Williams (Indologist)

      • ismail says

        dear hindu brothers dont you know that your sculptures made with your hands and served by your hindu pandits are touching your mothers and sisters openly in mandirs and did you ever noticed they private parts once they finish their poojas.
        if not just notice your mother and sisters are robbed and raped every week by this poojaris.
        just notice and let me know again. and all the mandirs which are standing now are like a toilets on mainroads or illegal places which has no limits, if at least those would been the toilets in place of illegal mandirs our cities would have been clean and green

        • Indian Agnostic says

          @Ismail,

          You are a perfect example of why educated and human muslims should leave Islam.

          I don’t think they can associate with the gutter language you learnt at the madrasa ;)

          • tauqeer says

            If it is directed at me it is a pipe dream.You know what is the problem with people like you is.You dont follow your own religion.Because of your aham and hatt great social reformers like SWAMI DAYANAND SARASWATI,RAJA RAM MOHAN ROY,MAHATMA GANDHI,Ram Krishna Parmahansa,Mahatma Jyotiba Phule,Ishwarchandra Vidyasagar etc etc still lots of social eveils prevail.Hindu fanatics harassed these souls like any thing.Some were even killed for the good work they were doing.First try to reform your self and become a good hindu like most of the hindus are in our country then advise me to leave Islam.let me admit if i would have been born in family of idolators and hindu family which dident follow vedas I would have embraced islam.Read how JAISIYA SON OF DAHIR RAJA WHEN BECAME MUSLIM HOW HIS LIFE TRANSFORMED and how his character got elevated.It is in one of the pages of history book written by muslim historian whom you are misquoting and providing links to prove that muslims are cruel.HURRY! HURRY! YOU WILL HAVE TO DO NIGHT SHIFT TO FIND IT OUT AND DELIT IT OTHER WISE YOU MANY PEOPLE MAY READ IT .This I say because your site is deliting the things which are going against you.

        • tauqeer says

          Ismail it does not befit a muslim to speak this filthy langauge.follow INNALLAH MA SABREEN.There are innumeramble occasions when prophet pbuh was most polite even when insults were heaped on him.Hope in future you would not repeat this.Instead talk with reasoning in most reasonable manner.A true follower of any religion whether it is vedic religion,islam,or christianity or any other religion will not speak in this language.It is strictily prohibited in Islam.Do you forget that we call JESUS CHRIST ISA ALLEHSALM OR ISARUHULLAH(the most pious soul )pbuh,We call MOSES MUSAALLEHSALAM OR MUSA KALIMULLAH (the one who talks to god almighty) pbuh,we call DAVID DAWOODALLEHSALAM OR DAWOOD KHALIFATULLAH(khalifa of god almighty)pbuh,NOHA of BIBLE OR NUH ALLEHSSALM OF QURAN OR NUHUNNAJIULLAH pbuh are by many probabilities same as MANU OF HINDU SCRIPTURES as many insidence in his life as discribed in Quran and Bible are matching with hindu scriptures.Have you ever seen any muslim a child or adult/educated or totally illetrate speaking a single word of dishonour about any of these prophets this even when some followers of other religions who follow these prophets( PEACE BE ON ALL OF THEM) use most filthy langauge for our beloved prophet pbuh. The former is islamic culture and not the language of filth.Please remember this always.ALHAMDULLILAH your name is of one of our prophets ISMAILZABIULLAH pbuh(sacrifised in the name god the almighty).

        • hindu militant says

          @nish, ismail , tauqueer,
          Listening to your garbage, you actually support babur, and spew venom on hinduism and hindu temples.
          Now ONE question, why shouldnt I hate you, and take it out on you, (innocent muslims) during the breakdown of law and order in communal riots?
          Gujarat was not done by narendra modi, but by ordinary hindus like m,e who hate you mussies.
          Do unto others what you would have others do unto you.

      • Top Gun says

        Coz ppl like u hav little knowledge and believe morons words, dont be jelous of BABUR he was the king and u r not and the faggot who written this blog is a gay , Shhhh dont tell to ni body :P

    • ARYA XYZ says

      @Nish

      Are you sure you have not gone mad? Give evidences for your claim of Babur. We believe in strong evidences. You have not proved, so you are not believed. Babur was a Barber. Before pointing at others why don’t you think about yours?
      First you prove your claim about Babur, then we will talk about temples. You are not qualified for this debate unless you make us clear about Babur according to your thoughts.

      There is no difference look wise in an Indian and a Pakistani or an Indian Muslim. This shows that all the Muslims in India and Pakistan were originally Arya who were following only and only VEDAS.
      I urge you to return to your originality “ARYA”.

      • Sirf-Muslim says

        Nish.
        Don’t talk like a blind follower. We cannot allow destruction of any masjid whether built by a pious or non-pious Muslim. Once a Masjid is built it is abode of Allah or Babul Huda. But indeed Mughals were not just as a dynasty. Central Asian Muslims brought innovation or Bidah with them and hence they do not correspond to Quran and Sunnah of Muhammad SAW. I do not see any sense in admiring Babur. He did not come to India to preach Islam but to gain wealth and geographical territory.

        Just compare K.M.Chisti with Babur and succeeding rulers of his dynasty you will realize the difference.

        • Arya says

          @Sirf Muslim
          So you accept that a gay drinker can be a Muslim and he can be said at the most “non Pious” for being so!

          • Indian Agnostic says

            Babur was a wannabe Muslim..at least he considered himself to be one.

            and in that very zeal he destroyed the population as well as temples of chanderi !!

            with due respect, i would like to state that right from mecca to ayodhya ..Most medieval masjids were built after destroying the previous religions places of worship

            I don’t think hardcore ideologues would object too much to babur’s vagrant behavior ..as far as the Masjid was built on top of the worshipping place of the kuffar ..they are quite happy :(

            i may be wrong in my conclusion, but i believe that the argument of this thread would not sell well with the ummah :(

          • Indian Follower says

            So you accept that a gay drinker can be a Muslim and he can be said at the most “non Pious” for being so!
            Are there no gay drinker hindus?

          • Arya says

            @Indian Follower
            Brother, point here is not who is gay drinker and who is not. Point here is that can anyone act against Quran and still continue to be a Muslim? Can he still go to Jannat? If no, Babur was not a Muslim. And the so called mosque which was built in his name was a symbol of insult to Islam.

            And if any temple is made in the name of a gay drinker hindu, we will be equally harsh in that case as well.

        • Indian Agnostic says

          Dear sirf-muslim,

          You are not aware that Babur wanted to be treated as a pure Ghazi (the best any devout muslim can become) and for that he did what Islam says is the best job to do —raised a heap of skulls of the non-believers

          how can you say that babur should not be compared to other devout muslims like aurangzeb etc. ..They were the best msulims as per the Quran

          ◤Quran 4:95
          لاَّ يَسْتَوِي الْقَاعِدُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ غَيْرُ أُوْلِي الضَّرَرِ وَالْمُجَاهِدُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فَضَّلَ اللّهُ الْمُجَاهِدِينَ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ عَلَى الْقَاعِدِينَ دَرَجَةً وَكُـلاًّ وَعَدَ اللّهُ الْحُسْنَى وَفَضَّلَ اللّهُ
          الْمُجَاهِدِينَ عَلَى الْقَاعِدِينَ أَجْراً عَظِيماً
          Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,◥

          so you see babur did what ghazni,timur, aurangzeb did ..killing of infidels..to be called a ghazi!

          Thats what the prophet used to do and that’s what his staunch followers do even today in countries where Islam is prominent

          and heres a lesson in history (from authentic autobiography of babur himself)

          THIS IS WHY BABUR KILLED HINDUS –TO BECOME THE BEST MUSLIM – A GHAZI !!!

          ◤Babur Nama

          For love of the Faith I became a wanderer in the desert,
          I became the antagonist of Pagans and Hindus,
          I strove* to make myself a martyr;—
          Thanks be to the Almighty who has made me a Ghāzi (victorious over the enemies of the Faith)
          http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03501052%26ct%3D64%26rqs%3D490%26rqs%3D493%26rqs%3D494%26rqs%3D495%26rqs%3D496◥

          The holocaust of the hindus at the hands of these barbarians is documented by themselves or their chroniclers !!!!..

          can’t wish away the truth my friend

          • kaprix007 says

            My dear i am impressed about ur knowledge of Qur’an, however, i feel sorry that you cannot understand its heart. Islam does not allow the indiscriminate killing of people. I would like to request to read the constitution of first Muslim state that was formed in Medina after the Muslims were thrown out of Mecca by Idolaters and Pagans. you will not find an Iota of offense.
            in the paragraps above you have failed to distinguish between a King and an Emir. If you want to know about an Emir, you should do a little bit of Study about the lives of the Prophet and his four great compatriots! They were the one who represented the true islam, and for them there wwwas no personal gain.
            As far as fighting with others is concerned, you will not find that the Muslims ever broke the terms fo the treaties that they singed with the Persians, Romans, African or even the Jews. However, when the other part breaks the treaty you are bound by the terms of the treaty and free to counter attack.
            As far as our country and attack on India is concerned, you have failed to mention the contribution of the earlier Muslim rulers , who came before Babur. Apart from the above, we did not have a unified Bharat at any point of time. There were Mauryas, Chalukyas, Chandals, Guptas, Cholas, Marathas,Rajputs and more than 300 principalities (even at the time of the entry of the British)There is no denying that the Mughals contributed a great deal to the development and unification of (what we call India today) by expanding their empire.
            AS far as Babur is concerned he did not come to India on his own. He was invited by teh people of India who were suffering at the hands of a tyrannical king- Ibrahim Lodi who was also a Muslim. Thus, if babur were a Ghazi (in your context) then how did he come against a Muslim ruler?
            i woulld suggest you to read a little history before you set out to comment. A great author Bernard Shaw once told” i read 60,000 words to write 60 words! I think we will do justice to ourselves if we take a cue from the saying of Bernard Shaw.

          • dev says

            I will quote one of your sentences ‘Islam does not allow indiscriminate killing of people’…..well so wat u mean to say is ‘Islam does allow killing’ in other words it is all right to kill…..nd d thing wid u people is dat u judge as per ur own whims and fantasies who is right/ wrong and take innocent lives…..i hve read quran myself and it clearly says dat infidels or non-muslims shud be destroyed…..now wat do u hve to say on this…..ur talks of peace and love r just an illusion…..!

          • Top Gun says

            If this is u say from the CONTEX?

            What will u say when there is riot and v ppl protect the non-muslims from getting killed,

            in 1992 we lost so many souls and u lost few coz v protected u,

            and in return wht u ppl did to us rape our women kill our mens, police support u govt. support u.

          • tauqeer says

            same thing is in bhagwat gita by lord krishna instigating arjun to fight.It is clearly said that if if he does so he will go to heaven if martyred..Want me to copy paste and quote out of context??my friend do not try to open a can of worms for youselves.

          • hindu militant says

            ABSOLUTELY I follow bhagwadgeeta, which teaches me to fight and kill my own brothers. In that context, kauravas. In my context muslims. YOu CANT open a can of worms, becuse I am going to open it myself. These idiot left liberal pseudo hindus dont know real hinduism, we are as violent even more so than islam.
            Every concept you have in islam does have a counterpart in hinduism.As a body of knowledge Hinduism is an ocean, mahasagar, islam is just a small pond.
            You want to make the world islamic? Translate this:-
            Krinvanto vishwam aryam. (make the world aryan/hindu)
            Jihad ka jawaab, dharma yuddha.

            Go take a hike.

          • Indian Agnostic says

            ◤My dear i am impressed about ur knowledge of Qur’an, however, i feel sorry that you cannot understand its heart.◥

            Many thanks dear @kaprix007 for the compliment.

            I would love to learn from you as to what’s the heart of Quran that i MISUNDERSTAND

            Meanwhile, let me respond with whatever little i know as of now.

            ◤Islam does not allow the indiscriminate killing of people.◥

            I am sorry to state, it DOES!

            I have shared the sheer hatred that the god of Islam has towards non-muslims elsewhere, so wont repeat post.

            But let’s see what was prophet Muhammad’s take on this ( I am quoting a Sahih hadit along with the hyperlink..the hadit is the context and ‘heart’ of the quran)

            ✪Sahih Bukhari
            Volume 4, Book 52, #196
            Narrated Abu Huraira:
            Allah ‘s Apostle said, ” I HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO FIGHT WITH THE PEOPLE TILL THEY SAY, ‘NONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE WORSHIPPED BUT ALLAH ‘ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ HIS LIFE AND PROPERTY WILL BE SAVED by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”
            http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196✪

            So you see, any non-muslim may invite the ire of the prophet for the GRAVE FAULT of being a NON-MUSLIM.

            I hope you are smart enough to draw parallels with the protection money that mafia lords demand and this one :)

            ◤I would like to request to read the constitution of first Muslim state that was formed in Medina after the Muslims were thrown out of Mecca by Idolaters and Pagans. you will not find an Iota of offense.◥

            Give me a break sir!!!

            who used to live in Mecca before Islam was formed? ..the Idolators!!

            whom did the Kaaba belong to before prophet Muhammad along with his army ransacked it and destroyed all the idols therein? the idolators!!

            prophet Muhammad was born amongst whom? ..the idolaters

            whom did he massacre in Mecca? ..his own idolater cousins and kinsfolk who did not want to join this new religion that permitted all that was prohibited in theirs!!!

            Dear friend….your moral compass is twisted ……If i throw you out of your house and then gloat on the fact that i am allowing you to live peacefully on the street , i dont become great.

            ◤in the paragraps above you have failed to distinguish between a King and an Emir. If you want to know about an Emir, you should do a little bit of Study about the lives of the Prophet and his four great compatriots! They were the one who represented the true islam, and for them there wwwas no personal gain.◥

            Rest assured that I have studied it as much if not more than you.

            1/5th of the war booty went to the Prophet

            The Emirs, the Sahabas were always on missions looting and plundering civilizations they had nothing to do with!

            for what reason?? ..for the simple reason of expanding the empire and religion.

            and nothing more than common sense is required to know that if it was all about religion, then there would have been no arrangement like the JIZYA.

            JIZYA is the price one used to pay for keeping away from Islam.

            The first wars of islam were on Caravans of the Meccans ..it’s all about power and money honey..zilch spirituality !

            ◤As far as fighting with others is concerned, you will not find that the Muslims ever broke the terms fo the treaties that they singed with the Persians, Romans, African or even the Jews.However, when the other part breaks the treaty you are bound by the terms of the treaty and free to counter attack.◥

            The irony is reflected in you statement itself.

            A tribe in Arabia ventured all the way to africa, iran,india etc…..to completely destroy the great native civilizations of babylonia and persia and loot them of their heritage and wealth.

            and don’t even mention the Jews…The Prophet himself ordered the beheading of 900 jews and took one of their widows (Juwaharia) as his wife the very day he beheaded her husband,father and brother.

            so much so for the ‘heart’ of Islam

            ◤As far as our country and attack on India is concerned, you have failed to mention the contribution of the earlier Muslim rulers , who came before Babur.◥

            read their uninvited and gory ‘contribution’ here : http://kalkiagnostic.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/peaceful-islamic-and-mughal-invasion-of-india

            and mind you ..not even a single paragraph quoted there is without it’s orginal hyperlink.

            The bloody islamic history of india has been chronicled by Islamic historians or rulers themselves..they all wanted to be known as ghazis with the exception of Akbar ofcourse.

            ◤ Apart from the above, we did not have a unified Bharat at any point of time. There were Mauryas, Chalukyas, Chandals, Guptas, Cholas, Marathas,Rajputs and more than 300 principalities (even at the time of the entry of the British)There is no denying that the Mughals contributed a great deal to the development and unification of (what we call India today) by expanding their empire.◥

            This is another misconception amongst people. India or Bharat to be precise extended all the way to Afghanistan .Of course their were many kingdoms but all swore allegiance to the most powerful king of the times(Samrat) .

            In the 9th century , the title for such a samrat was Balhara… and Suleman, the historian names Balhara amongst the 4 most greatest rulers of the world in the 9th century.

            India was the 2nd richest country of the world (after China) upto the 10th century..India surivided the invaders for 400 years but with the fall of sindh …it started caving in to the advances of the invaders

            The amount of wealth looted by the British and Arab,Turk invaders is unfathomable..and the millions of natives who lost their lives for not accepting a violent ideology is well documented in ghazi chronicles

            ◤AS far as Babur is concerned he did not come to India on his own. He was invited by teh people of India who were suffering at the hands of a tyrannical king- Ibrahim Lodi who was also a Muslim. Thus, if babur were a Ghazi (in your context) then how did he come against a Muslim ruler?◥

            It was the muslim courtesans only that invited Babur to take over and pledged their support.

            and if you are not aware of muslims killing muslims..read the painful account of karbala.

            ◤i woulld suggest you to read a little history before you set out to comment. ◥

            As you would know by now..i have done my homework ..the time is ripe for you to do the same.

            happy reading :)

            ◤A great author Bernard Shaw once told” i read 60,000 words to write 60 words! I think we will do justice to ourselves if we take a cue from the saying of Bernard Shaw.◥

            rest assured that i have read 60,000 words for every 60 that i put forward, not because Beranad Shaw said so..but bcoz it makes sense.

            I can understand your liking of Bernard Shaw as he sort of endorsed the pan-islamic europe dream..but let me remind you that appeal to authority is an insult to our own faculties of reason and logic.

            and i call upon yours for the same reason

            Regards

          • Top Gun says

            i m sorry to say u fat faggot,

            No hard feeling moron boy,

            But u have taken some CONTEX from text,

            now if u r nor not moron read the whole text, and dont exaggerate.

            I feel so pity 4 u ppl.

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @Top Gun

            Thanks a lot for that angry response sans a rebuttal ..it PROVES that you have been EDUCATED

            it’s just that this factual education is diametrically opposite to what you earlier BLINDLY believed in ..and hence the anger

            Your anger..you must know ..is more against your own ignorance and less against me

            by the way ..one more lesson for you (now that you are showing signs of improvement)

            The Hadit and Sirat THEMSELVES are the CONTEXT of the Quran…there’s NO other context to explore this doctrine of yours

            best regards

          • hindu militant says

            @top gun, shaane, I also take things out of context, and say that all hindu scriptures teach me to fight and kill muslims. Devil quoting the scriptures.
            What you gonna do? Teach me context?

          • Indian Agnostic says

            Thank you Dr Singh

            It hurts to see that the doctrine which we Indians could not stand to defeat in the past ..some of our brothers stand to defend in the present

            I hope the rational ones amongst our lost brothers see through the evils of these forced doctrines and come back to our roots

            I am surprised that someone can choose this violent doctrine in lieu of the rich Indian philosophical and spiritual doctrines ..it’s as much theirs as it is ours …they are ours ..but they refuse to acknowledge despite the evidences

            But i have not lost hope ..Indians will come back their roots …i have no doubts about that [ @Top Gun will take longer by the way :)) ]

            Best regards

          • Person says

            Dear Kaprix, The actual history is something else but it has been changed to make villan to hero and heroes made villians. Aurangzeb though being the king used to stitch clothes, write quraan with his hand, sell them and make his living. He used to sleep on the plain floor with out any cushions even. He never used money for personal reasons out of govt funds. He was very god fearing person. If you want to find the real truth of Muslim rulers, you will find from the original records available in a library in London. After Britishers left, the history of particularly muslim rulers was manipulated and changed. What we find in the records today is manipulated to defame them. You can still find many such monuments etc in India which have been the pride of the country since their time. There contribution was tremendous, not like todays rulers/politicians who are corrupt, looting the country to their fullest. Yet they are unthankful.

            The person who says he has read quran 100s of times is 100% lying. He is only bound to defame islam otherwise, having read quran even 2-3 times would definitely bring change in him bcoz quran is not any human being word. It is direct communication from Allah to us and it is bound to bring changes in ones heart and mind not like he claims to have found things otherwise………… These are big liars trying to bring hatred & deviate muslims and non-muslims alike. Why should he be bothered and concerned about minority muslims in india to change their religion?. The simple reason is bcoz Islam is a true religion & spreading so fast that they are afraid one day Islam will become a major religion…… you are intelligent to understand the rest. Take care.

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @Person

            ➊ Nobody is denying that Aurangzeb followed the Quran very strictly. And THAT is the reason why he was so INHUMAN towards the non-muslims

            Since you seem to rejoice at the bloodbath of non-muslims..you would definitely find him to be a great person.

            The irony of Islam is exactly this..the more strictly you follow the book ..the more insensitive you become to human values and life.

            ➋You are also not aware of the chronicles of these rulers.They were very proud of the fact that they destroyed a lot a temples and killed a lot of kuffars…They wanted to earn the title of Ghazis.

            and to help you understand how cruel and disgusting Aurangzeb was here’s a link of the AHKAM-I-ALAMGIRI by Hamid-ud-din Khan Bahadur (Mind you Khan Bahadur was not British guy ..he was a devout muslim who narrates the ‘great’ acts of aurangzeb)

            ◤http://www.archive.org/stream/AnecdotesOfAurangzeb/AnecdotesOfAurangzib#page/n11/mode/1up

            Meantime Aurangzib had begun to give free play to his religious bigotry. In April, 1669 he ordered the provincial governors to “destroy all the temples and schools of the infidels and to utterly put down their teachings and religious practices.” The wandering Hindu saint Uddhav Bairagi was confined in the police lock-up. The Vishwanath temple at Benares was pulled down in August 1669. The grandest shrine of Mathura, Kesav Rai’s temple, built at a cost of 33 lakhs of Rupees by the Bundela Rajah Birsingh Dev, was razed to the ground in January, 1670, and a
            mosque built on its site. “The idols of this temple were brought to Agra and buried under the steps of Jahanara’s mosque that they might be constantly trodden on” by the Muslims going in to pray. About this time the temple of Somnath on the south coast of the Kathiawar peninsula was demolished, and the offering of worship there ordered to be stopped◥

            THANKS TO THE INTERNET THE TRUTH CAN NO LONGER BE HIDDEN

            And with people like you who can praise such a disgusting character..i am sure how much united we are as a country.

            where i would hate anybody who killed even a single human being for his faith as disgusting ..you would praise the one who killed millions just because he was a muslim.

            thanks for showing us what Islam turns a person into @Person

          • hindu militant says

            @person, abe shaane, read your last sentence. Islam is fastest growing religion, and they will become majority, you are intelligent to undertsand the rest. OFCOURSE we are. once you mussies become majority yu wipe us out, like what happened to hindus in pakistan, bangladesh and kashmir. Bloody bastard

          • Prashanth says

            Indeed, no religion may encourage indiscriminate killings but in India, invading Muslim kings have introduced themselves by killing millions of innocent, commoners. Lets not shy away from facts that has a testimony of even neutral, international historians.

  13. Van says

    This is the exact problem with Islam:

    People are considering invaders, terrorists and materialistic people as practicing Muslims just because they justify their shameful and unhumanitarian acts in the name of Islam.

    Muhammad Ghori, Ghazni, Auranzeb are considered role models in Pakistan and even by some sections of fundamental Muslims in India like SIMI for bringing Islam in the subcontinent. But on further readings anyone will conclude that these people were invaders, conquering their materialistic lust. They have no connection with spirituality. Forget the past, even dreaded terrorists such as Osama bin Laden is emulated by young Muslims because he justifies his acts in the name of Islam.

    Hence, the main problem that has infected Islam is lack of spiritual role models that normal muslims can emulate and strive to become.

    Ideally, role models in Islam should be saints such as Hazrat Mian Mir, who was a close friend of Guru Arjan Dev Ji, and who initiated the construction of the Golden Temple by laying the first foundation stone. Another inspirational figure is Dara Sikhon who translated of 50 Upanishads from its original Sanskrit into Persian in so it could be read by Muslim scholars.

    To highlight the aspect of spirituality of Hazrat Mian Mir, I have produced an encounter that taken place between him and Emperor Jahangir:

    “Once, Jahangir, the Mughal emperor, with all his retinue came to pay homage to the great faqir. He came with all the pomp and show that befitted an emperor. Mian Mir’s sentinels however, stopped the emperor at the gate and requested him to wait until their master had given permission to enter. Jahangir felt slighted. No one had ever dared delay or question his entry to any place in his kingdom. Yet he controlled his temper and composed himself. He waited for permission. After a while, he was ushered into Mian Mir’s presence. Unable to hide his wounded vanity, Jahangir, as soon as he entered, told Mian Mir in Persian: Ba dar-e-darvis darbane naa-bayd (“On the doorstep of a faqir, there should be no sentry”). Pir Mian Mir, whose mind and soul were one with the Lord, caring little for the emperor’s irritation, replied in Persian: Babayd keh sag-e-dunia na ayad (“They are there so that the dogs of the world/selfish men may not enter”). The emperor was ashamed and asked for forgiveness.

    Then, with folded hands, Jahangir requested Mian Mir to pray for the success of the campaign which he intended to launch for the conquest of the Deccan. Meanwhile, a poor man entered and, bowing his head to Mian Mir, made an offering of a rupee before him. The Pir asked the devotee to pick up the rupee and give it to the poorest, neediest person in the audience. The devotee went from one dervish to another but none accepted the rupee. The devotee returned to Mian Mir with the rupee saying: “Master, none of the dervishes will accept the rupee. None is in need, it seems.” “Go and give this rupee to him,” said the faqir, pointing to Jahangir. “He is the poorest and most needy of the lot. Not content with a big kingdom, he covets the kingdom of the Deccan. For that, he has come all the way from Delhi to beg. His hunger is like a fire that burns all the more furiously with more wood. It has made him needy, greedy and grim. Go and give the rupee to him.”

    If Muslims emulates spiritual figures such as Mian Mir, Jalaudin Rumi, even Prophet Mahumaad PBUH, then what a wonderful community it would be? Unfortunately, these figures have not become the ambassadors of Islam, and instead, we have materialistic people representing Islam.

    • Draksharam Kumar says

      Hazrat Mian Mir it seems is an avadhootha(an enlightened person) like Sai baba. I love this person.
      “He is the poorest and most needy of the lot. Not content with a big kingdom, he covets the kingdom of the Deccan. For that, he has come all the way from Delhi to beg. His hunger is like a fire that burns all the more furiously with more wood. It has made him needy, greedy and grim. Go and give the rupee to him.”
      So funny and subtly put by the Master. I bow to him.

  14. kaprix007 says

    The above mentioned article is more fiction that reality. We should be cautious to comment upon the issues that is so sensitive to the entire country. The blogs that can create havoc on the unity and integrity of the nation may only be termed as anti-national. I wonder why this gentleman did not a research and based his comments on a single book that he thinks is most authentic. It is the duty of the researcher to do ample research and refer to as many sources as possible before passing out some judgment about people or structures as old as the Babri Structure. It is surely not known with certainty that Babur was a homosexual( he would have been stoned to death in those days only if he were a homosexual!)
    The act of vandalism and hooliganism that culminated in the destruction of Babri Mosque was the handiwork of Anti National elements who wanted to divide the nation on religious lines so as to extract political mileage! Those behind the destruction of the property of minorities, and of course the lives of innocent people cannot be called ‘PATRIOTS’! An Act of Terror is an ACT of Terror! The attack on Babri mosque is no less heinous than an attack on the Akshardham Temple. Thus, if an attack on Akshardham is a terror attack, my dear the same is applicable to the attack on the Babri Mosque. Moreover, the Babri Mosque was not built on government land or the land usurped by antisocial elements to make a Mandir on the roadside. Thus, while a Mandir can be built on any land(whether disputed or seized by sheer force) but a mosque is only built on private land that is owned by someone, and who donates it WILLINGLY for the construction of the Mosque.
    Agnivesh i would suggest you to do a little research and reading on other religions as well. This will open your understanding of relgion of other poeople sa well as yours and may keep you off making anti social elements(which can be done by our ENEMIES only!)

    • atheist jabali says

      @kaprix007
      “An Act of Terror is an ACT of Terror! The attack on Babri mosque is no less heinous than an attack on the Akshardham Temple. Thus, if an attack on Akshardham is a terror attack, my dear the same is applicable to the attack on the Babri Mosque. ”
      Continuing the same analogy, the breaking of idols by Abraham was also heinous and a terror attack. So was the breaking of idols by Muhammad at Mecca.

      “….a mosque is only built on private land that is owned by someone, and who donates it WILLINGLY for the construction of the Mosque”.
      oH! s This applies to ur Grand Mosque at Mecca? The pagans “donated it willingly to Muhammad and Muslims” Is it?

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Kaprix007

      ➊ The Babur Nama is BEST resource to learn about Babur .It’s his autobiography after alll. What’s the resource according to you by the way?
      ➋If the unity of this country hangs around the structure named after a KNOWN temple destroyer and slayer of non-muslims..there’s something seriously wrong about the sense of ‘UNITY’ of this country..It’s just a false sense of Unity
      ➌ Babur invaded our Nation ..destroyed it’s architectural marvels ..and you have the audacity to say that destroying his structures is anti-national ..Wake UP ..India is not Saudio Arabia !!
      Any body who feels proud of the loot of India by descendants of Timur Lung and Ghauri is the ‘ant-national’ in my opinion
      ➍ From Kaaba to Fire Temples of Babylon and Persia to India …most Islamic places of worship were created on top of the previous religions infrastructure.
      ➎If tomorrow the Taliban builds a mosque at the place where they blew away the Bamaian Buddhas ..it would become your birthright to claim it as minority property ? GREAT !!

      having said that, I would say that more than the Babri Structure Hindus should be up against the Government for taking away all the temple money in the name endowment (a british legacy)

  15. aditya says

    Dear Muslims, I have read Koran 100 of times to find some spirituality in it. But I find more about Mohamed sex, wives, slaves, fight between his wives, war and many more bad things which a human brain can’t digest. I ask all of you to be rational first and then judge Koran, you will find your true path.
    Please ignore if it hurts you. I am just doing anti dawa to Islam, so that this human civilization will progress further. My religion is only anti-Islam.Yar chod do Islam ko or koi religion pakad lo, otherwise, if there exist some hell, U will find yourself in hell with your rapist and liar, criminal prophet. If there is some judgment day according to Koran, Mohammad will be at sitting with Satan for his turn of punishment. Please leave this cult, internet and this information technology has made everything clear about Islam. IT IS VERY GOOD TIME TO LEAVE THIS STUPIDITY BEHIND AND PROGRESS FURTHER AS ANORMAL HUMAN BEING. I wish that all Muslims will leave Islam as soon as possible. At last please become rational , stop killing other in name of rapist mohmad..

    • tahir says

      spend 1 week in studying about Islam and mohammad (pbuh) with open mind , i promiise you all will become muslim like your shankracharya ,brian lara, michel jackson, yousaf youhana,sunita williams,and millions.

      • Indian Agnostic says

        Brother @Tahir

        why don’t you open your mind to the obvious gaps of knowledge in Quran and it’s God

        Quran’s God claims in 36:36 and 51:49 that He created everything in pairs.

        “Quran 51:49 “And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful”

        He did not know that in this world there are indeed some single-sex species –NO PAIRS NEED!
        “Why Ladies-Only Species Don’t Need Men”
        http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/secrets-of-asexuality?npu=1&mbid=yhp

        Also, please note that your mind is good enough to know the truth if you ACTUALLY USE IT!

        and you should be embarrassed to quote fake conversion stories..The Christian Sunita Williams took Bhagvat Gita and Ganesha to the space station gifted by her Hindu dad…BUT EVEN THEN ..it does not make Hindusim great!…ONE SHOULD APPLY ONES MIND AND USE REASON TO FIND THE TRUTH..don’t become slave to personalities..your own mind is good enough if you are smart enough to use it in the first place.

        May your rational mind awaken asap
        Regards

      • hindu militant says

        @tahir, saale tum mussalman kabhi jhoot bolna chodoge? NObody among shankaracharya, brian lara, michale jackson or sinita williams converted. Yousuf yohanna converted and grew a big beard becacuse he was a christain playing for islamic pakistan. He would never become captain otherwise. To advance his career he accepted islam. next time dont tell lies. Michael jackson visited bahrain doesnt mean he converted. I also read islam 3 times, I still havent converted. What do you say to that?
        Tere se bad shaana mujhe mila tha. He was saying nathuram godse also accepted islam. I met his brother, gopal godse, alive until 2003, he denied it. But muslims spread their own myths and believe it. Go tell it to the marines.

    • not a pagan says

      http://therr9.wordpress.com/tag/theology/

      On the same above site that you suggest, agnostic dear, read about hindus as well.

      All the verses from Quran have been quoted out of context. and to a believer, yes a believer and a non-believer can never be equal. So why rant about quran when it is telling the believers how to define their lives?

      for arguments sake lets say quran preaches division in humanity, what about manusmirti? dividing and torturing your countrymen, your own co-religionists in the name of caste system?

      On women, answer about sati, widow remarriage, shaving of their heads? how many wives, consorts and concubines the bhagwans had? remember the song “mujhe chedo na nand ke lal” why is the bhagwan raping women and the woman crying for help? stealing? and he is not even a mortal prophet like muhammad. he is god incarnate. wow!!!

      as for muhammad he married a young girl which was the custom of his society and the girl’s father was his friend. only perverts like you can be friends with a person who rapes your daughter. think over it smart boy. not only this, this young girl outlived muhammad for many many years and always said the best of him. She was free and could have ran away instead of living as his widow and could have told bad things about him. its all your bias that speaks ignorance.

      and look at all the gory details in your holybooks , all the nakedness in your temples.

      Look, good or bad islam is not going to fly away, neither christianity or judaism.

      Accept that you are pagans. whats wrong with that if you are so and leave the three above religions alone. you dont know what sorcery and filth your religion is compared to these three (to make you happy lets say that these religions are as bad as you say).

      this is your inferiority complex that compells you to insult religions which far outshine your abracadabra naryal-phodna, tantric dance, ghee-frying yajnas (give the ghee to the poors instead), butter-stealing krishna, blood drinking kali, and ram! oh sweet ram! so sweet but still he doubted his innocent wife?!

      i am an indian muslim whose parents were hindus. its established. but what a good riddance. otherwise i wld be called a dasi (slave) of my swami husband for seven lives!!! talk on womens’ rights and slavery!

      i will tell all of you to spend time elsewhere. leave this religion business. especially the pagans can just spend time reading their vedas and mahabhartas and washing the feet of their brahman priests. by the way you make good scene while dancing and chanting in your temples, with a tray of spices, colors, fire and nick-nacks in your hands. why does your allwise god need such kitchen ingredients to be propitiated?

      peace (if you understand that) and dont reply.

      • says

        Namaste not a pagan

        ———-On the same above site that you suggest, agnostic dear, read about hindus as well.——–

        The site mentioned above has no hindu muslim whatsoever :(

        ———–and to a believer, yes a believer and a non-believer can never be equal.———–

        1. Is this why Quran says the idolaters and non believers as worst of creatures? What if I say so to Muslims?
        2. I believe in ONE GOD but dont believe in Muhammad. How my belief is different from yours and who is more monotheistic? For me, you do shirk by remembering Muhammad with Allah in prayers.

        ———–for arguments sake lets say quran preaches division in humanity, what about manusmirti? dividing and torturing your countrymen, your own co-religionists in the name of caste system?———–

        We reject those portions of Manusmriti completely which talk about any kind of discrimination. We send Lanat to such writings. Do you reject the hateful verses of Quran and Hadith in the same lines and send Lanat to them and their author?

        ———–On women, answer about sati, widow remarriage, …….. and he is not even a mortal prophet like muhammad. he is god incarnate. wow!!!————

        Please share the Mantras of Sati etc from Vedas. Widow marriages are encouraged in Vedas. Krishna is not God. We believe he was a great human being and the stories you mentioned are fake. We dont believe those books which contain such stories. Do you now condemn and reject those books which talk of pedophilia, rape, sex slaves, killing etc?

        ———–as for muhammad he married a young girl which was the custom of his society and the girl’s father was his friend.———–

        By your logic Muhammad could have drunk also because drinking too was the custom of his society :(

        ———- only perverts like you can be friends with a person who rapes your daughter.———-

        Its not like that. In fact it is other way round! Muhammad married the kid Aisha because Abu Bakr could have not refused Muhammad’s proposal of giving Aisha to her. All of the Sahabas were brain washed, so nothing great even if they agreed to give their 6 years old daughter to a pedo.

        ————-She was free and could have ran away instead of living as his widow and could have told bad things about him. its all your bias that speaks ignorance.————-

        Ask any Shia what this little girl has done to Islam

        ————-and look at all the gory details in your holybooks , all the nakedness in your temples.————

        We send Laanat at such temples and their makers. So do you also send Laanat at Babur and the mosque built in his name and all Muslim invaders who conquered India through killing, rape etc and were anti Islamic in their lives?

        ————–Accept that you are pagans.————

        OK I accept, what you gonna do? I can call you Malechchha, then?

        ———–this is your inferiority complex that compells you to insult religions which far outshine your abracadabra naryal-phodna, tantric dance, ghee-frying yajnas (give the ghee to the poors instead), butter-stealing krishna, blood drinking kali, and ram! oh sweet ram! so sweet but still he doubted his innocent wife?!———-

        1. Inferiority complex? Do you know who were your ancestors and how they converted to Islam?
        2. Do you know you (Indian Muslim) can never become Khalifa of Muslim Ummah?
        3. Do you know that an Arab can marry your sister but you cant marry an Arab woman because you are Indian and not Arab?

        ————i am an indian muslim whose parents were hindus. its established.———–

        http://agniveer.com/2086/how-islam-conquered-india/

        ————- but what a good riddance. otherwise i wld be called a dasi (slave) of my swami husband for seven lives!!! talk on womens’ rights and slavery!————

        You may like this http://agniveer.com/1184/muslim-wife-concubine/ and other articles on Women in Islam. Vedas dont say wife is Dasi of husband. You are misinformed.

        ———–peace (if you understand that) and dont reply.————

        Why? Planning to run away? Read the articles on this site about Vedas and Quran and decide what you should do

        thanks

  16. aditya says

    after that I disclose it to my friends that I am reading Koran from the last one year, they told me what stupid you are, if you had asked it first to us before reading, you would have saved your one precious year of life. Every non-Muslim have same conclusion. Now I am reading GITA with rational thinking and finding some spirituality.

  17. aditya says

    Dear all human being, read one book “23 years” by Ali Dasti, can be downloaded free from iranian site(just google it). It talks about 23 years of profit hood of mohmad. It is not a baised view but a balanced view as a rationliast and athesit, more favourable towards shias. This book is written by an arabic/persian scholar, so the excuse of muslims that there koran is not properly translated is debunked. DEAR MUSLIM BROTHERS/SISTERS, I am very concerned about your mental state, so i recomend you to read it first than comment here. I am wellwisher of musilms not islam.

  18. Sirf-Muslim says

    Dear Aditya .

    Perhaps you read and understood Quran more than me. From your interpretations and understanding guide me. If I find you true and unbiased in context to why Quran is not word of God, i will denounce Islam at Agniveer.com.

    • ARYA XYZ says

      @ Sirf-Muslim

      आरंभ साथ नाम अल्लाह्के | क्षमा करनेवाला दयालु |
      मंजिल १ | सिपारा १ | सूरत १

      Quran starts as above, Initiation with the name of Allah, he forgives and is kind. Manjil 1, Siparaa 1, Surat 1.
      If the Quran is the word of Allah, then why Allah starts with his own name instead of saying that initiation of messages to the human beings or some other quote. This shows that Quran is not word of Allah from the initiation itself.
      Sirf Muslim Brother, please read chapter 14th of Satyaprakash by Swami Dayanand Saraswati

      • not a pagan says

        arya bhai,

        do some more research.

        each chapter begins with it simply because ‘quran’ means ‘to read’ as in oratory. and the reader is human not god who wrote it for the humans. samjhe?

        and my point is not if quran is the word of god or not. khush hojao. samjho quran is not word of god but prove that the vedas are so or manusmirti is so, or mahabharta and ramayana are so or for that matter kamasutra (hinduism teaches that also? i like it. no wonder it’s such a groovy religion!!!)

        prove scientifically the existence of rama, or the elephant god, or the monkey god?

        do it and i shall acce[t the pagan faith of my pagan ancestors. it’s a promise.

        in fact lets wipe islam away.

        Now my mind is clean. Teach me a hinduism which is totally rational, clean, no myths, no magics, no violence, no trishuls, no ajanta and ellora nakedness, no enslaving of shudras and forcing them to clean your shit for ages and ages, no mishappen half animal half human gods, total respect of womens’ rights, their share in property, above all the unity of god. etc.

        by the way to all muslims and others: michael jackson did not convert to islam. and islam does not need anyone to convert to it. so dont quote from rumors. there is nothing to be proud of in such things as michael jackson becoming a muslim.

        • says

          Namaste not a pagan

          ————each chapter begins with it simply because ‘quran’ means ‘to read’ as in oratory. and the reader is human not god who wrote it for the humans. samjhe?————

          Nahi samjhe :( Any verse which Allah wants Muhammad to recite is started with “Ikara” means “read”. But no Ikara was read before Bismillah leads to the conclusion that Allah is praising some bigger God :(

          ———-and my point is not if quran is the word of god or not.————

          Even if it were, you could have not prove it dear friend :(

          ————prove that the vedas are so or manusmirti is so, or mahabharta and ramayana are so or for that matter kamasutra (hinduism teaches that also?————

          1. Regarding Veda, you can refer articles on Vedas on this site. Even if you disagree on this, you will not be put to hell for your disbelief in those :)

          2. None of us claimed that Manusmriti, Mahabharat or Ramayan or any other book is from God.

          ————prove scientifically the existence of rama, or the elephant god, or the monkey god?———-

          The day you prove existence of Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad etc scientifically, I will try to do it for Ram. I dont believe in elephant god or monkey god. But let me ask you! Can you prove scientifically that a flying donkey existed which took Muhammad to sky to meet Allah, a she camel born from stone, stones talking to Moses, Jesus born without father etc?

          ———–do it and i shall acce[t the pagan faith of my pagan ancestors. it’s a promise.———–

          Now by your logic, you should leave Islam immediately because you cant have proofs for the above. I am inviting you to the Dharma of Vedas. Read about it on the site and decide.

          • says

            not a pagan

            cont.. from the previous

            ————Teach me a hinduism which is totally rational, clean, no myths, no magics,…..——–

            http://agniveer.com/series/vedic-lessons/

            In the end I request you to kindly remember your ancestors who were brutally killed/raped and converted to Islam- the Arab national movement. Idol worship is against Vedas too, it is irrational too but killing the idolaters is not only irrational but an act of terrorism which is billion times more sinful than idol worship. So dont favor the terrorist fools who killed and raped your/our ancestors. You would have seen in the article itself how this Ghazi of Islam killed the natives and converted them to Islam.

            VEDAS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, NO IDOL WORSHIP, NO KABA WORSHIP, NO GRAVE WORSHIP, NO HUMAN WORSHIP, NO PROPHET WORSHIP, ONLY FORMLESS OMNIPRESENT EESHVAR WORSHIP.

            I invite you to your actual Dharm of Vedas.

        • adolf says

          Being from a religion which contains verses on how to maintain sex slaves and how to fondle…… I can understand your craving for sex and virgins. kamasutra is all yours brother, you can even claim that aisha gave kamasutra to world from the experience she had with….

        • KalBhairav says

          @not a pagan:

          Now my mind is clean. Teach me a hinduism which is totally rational, clean, no myths, no magics, no violence, no trishuls, no ajanta and ellora nakedness, no enslaving of shudras and forcing them to clean your shit for ages and ages, no mishappen half animal half human gods, total respect of womens’ rights, their share in property, above all the unity of god. etc.

          What you wrote 2nd line onwards contradicts your first line. Your mind is *not* clean. You still hold preconceived notions that Hinduism is all about myths, magics, trishuls, nakedness, caste system, animal gods, etc.

          I doubt whether you have come here with the noble intentions of understanding Hinduism starting with a clean mind. Be that as it may, it is also impossible for one of us here to give you the complete Vedic dharma. There has to be effort from your side. Agreed?

          Assuming you agree, I suggest a self-study/contemplation of the Brahmasutras. There is no single “most authentic” version of the Brahmasutras. You are free to choose whichever commentary appeals to you the most. Those of us who believe in an alternative commentary do not hold or believe that you will go to hell for not believing in our version.

          There are different versions because the perception of the Divine is unique to each individual. What is important is what is common between different versions/expressions of Hinduism. The commonality between Rama, Hanuman or Ganeshji is that there is Divinity within all of them. That Divinity derives from the Ultimate Supreme – Brahman.

  19. aditya says

    Dear Sirf muslim or any muslim?

    What topic from koran you want me to read and expalin to you ?

    1) want me to expalin the extramarital life of mohmad with her slave girl mariya and wife hafsa episode? verses in koran realted to this..
    2) do you want me the expalin the pervert nature of mohmad to his daughter in law Jianab?
    verses in koran related to this
    3)do you want be expalin the term war booty for profit sorry prophet( killing of able body man, women to be slaved or sex slaved, distributted among fighter, small childern will be taken as slaves?
    do you still belive this book is written by a omnipotent and onmipresent God, I have a clear dount about this.
    4)This book is written so poorley that to understand it you need hadiths, so koran is not complete
    5) How supreme god is so much interested in sex life mohmad, he grant every licence to sex for mohmad?
    Koran is astupidity forced on intelligent peoples.

    Please read koran verses in cronological order, you will find that it is man made and to fullfill the need of mohmad..
    I again invite you to read koran in proper context to get insight in real profit mohmad.

    • hindu militant says

      I read english and also arabic, and I declare shahada
      la illaha mafi allah
      mohammed dur rasul shaitaan.

  20. Ramzan says

    The treatment of Sita by Raven and Ram, the tradition of satti, marrying his sister by Raja Dahir and the treatment of daasees in mandirs by the pandits and prohits and it goes on and on. This shows the respect your religion has for wpmen. Religion! its not even, its just based on a few sex stories. You worship all elephants, snakes, monkeys, cows, cocks and cunts and your favourite drink is urine and then you claim to be scholars. I have not used any abusive language ,its what you have, isn’t it.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Ramzan

      ➊ Ravan behaved the same way your prophet did only that Ravan did not kill the husbands, brothers and fathers of the woman he abducted.So conduct wise Ravan was ten times better than Muhammad but still a wrong man.

      While the people who looted, plundered and murdered innocent men and took their wives captive are treated with great respect in Islam…They are despicably looked down upon by the rest of all humanity.

      In this 21st century such goons will be behind bars in any non-islamic country

      ➋ The tradition of sati started when the invading ghazi barbarians attacked India.If sati was the norm how come Rama’s mother Kausalya or kaikeyi didnt commit sati ..or much later ..why did the mother of the pandavs Kunti did not commit sati??

      It was the devout muslim ghazis who ARE ALLOWED by a cruel god to take women captive which forced non-muslim women to commit sati rather than becomne concubines of uncouth uncultured barbarians.

      here’s the proof documented by none othger than the sufi Amir Khusrau himself in his memoir Khanal’ul Futuh

      http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?file=02003020&ct=12&rqs=289&rqs=290&rqs=291&rqs=292&rqs=293

      <>

      Such is the despicable history of Islam in India.

      I hope you become human in your next life

      ➌ You might know that Ravana forcefully took Sita and the ramayana does not give us any account of sex (i know it’s different in the quran and hadit so you are finding it difficult to imagine) between any of these characters. But just to quench your hunger for sex , let me give you a possible account

      here’s your authentic link for the same:
      http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/048.sbt.html#003.048.829
      Hadrat Aisha (prophet Muhammad’s wife and Mother of Muslims) and the camel rider Safwan bin Mu’attal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani

      Mind you ..i don’t believe that anything wrong happened that night between the two..but people like your imagination about Sita will find this aisha safwan enconter more juicy ..enjoy ..sky is the limit

  21. aditya says

    Dear Ramjan or any muslim or sirf muslim,
    I am an expert of Islam, Koran, hadith and specially profit Mohamed not Hindu religion. So please, if you want to say something about Islam, you are welcome, otherwise no need to reply. It is your religion which is asking people to follow Mohamed; your religion wants to kill other faith people. It is your religion which is danger to human civilization, freedom of expression. It is your religion which claims to be last and final one; it is your claim that this religion is for whole humanity. It is your claim that your religion is for all time. SO FOCUS ON ISALM AND MOHMAD.

    ONE THING I WANT TO CLEAR MY DEAR MUSLIM OR RAMJAN OR SIRF MUSLIM, ALL ABOVE MENTIONED CLAIM ARE FLASE, BECUASE YOU’RE FOLLOWING A FALSE PROHIT AND FALSE RELIGION.

    One thing I am not an expert of English, but I can understand it properly, I am a science student, I believe in rationality not in your false and stupid religion. So I have a reason but your Koran don’t have anything.

  22. aditya says

    its edited version:

    1. Dear Sirf muslim or any muslim?
    What topics from koran you want me to read and explain to you?
    1) Want me to explain the extramarital life of mohmad with her slave girl mariya and wife hafsa episode? Verses in Koran related to this..
    2) Do you want me to explain the pervert nature of mohmad to his daughter in law Jianab?
    verses in Koran related to this
    3) do you want be explain the term war booty for profit sorry prophet (killing of able body man, women to be slaved or sex slaved, distributed among fighter, small children will be taken as slaves?
    do you still believe this book is written by a omnipotent and omnipresent God, I have a clear doubt about this.
    4) This book is written so poorly that to understand it you need hadiths, so Koran is not complete
    5) how supreme god is so much interested in sex life Mohamed, he grant every license to sex for Mohamed?
    Koran is a stupidity forced on intelligent peoples.
    Please read Koran verses in chronological order, you will find that it is manmade and to fulfill the need of Mohamed..
    I again invite you to read Koran in proper context to get insight in real profit Mohamed.

    one more thing, my english knowledge is sufficent for giving me my bread.

  23. Shodh says

    Not only this they still practice blindly many rituals which is a act of sin

    हजारों पशुओं को मारकर ईद मनाने का ये कैसा जाहिल रिवाज़ है ?

    पेट भरने के लिए कोई पशु खाए तो समझ में आता है , ये ईश्वर के नाम पर कैसा खून खराबा ?

    Fasting during Ramjan month during day time and eating only after sun set.
    This is totally against Nature.

    In the Name of Islam Muslims are misguided and distroying the basics of humanity.

    Some one had decorated Aurangjeba in good picture. yes he did that But also he killed his two elder brothers and made prison by arresting his own Father, many Islamic rulers just for sake of Power and wealth did looted snatch wealth from Hindustan and Hindu Temples, after looting the Temples they did distroyed many times not on e or two but several times. Koran preaches how to divide looted wealth , looted womens/men what to do with them.

    “Indian Agnostic says:” has explained the true History and This History is a fact.
    we do not against Muslims because they are also Human but we do not support preaches of Koran and Islam/Hadit. Thanks for explaining and taking for great efforts.

    Why terminology Kafir (Non muslim must be killed and finished , looted) etc in Islam religion only? what is a thought behinf it? as per koran every thing belongs to Allah, Allah made entire world. So it means Allaha made Kafirs too. Then how such supreme Allah can treat differentially with his own creation? How can he ask to loot Kafir snatching, snabbing, killings of Animals, Vandalising womens and non-muslims, distrubution of womens after defating that region? Is this The Islam?? Hills range name ‘Hindu-Kush’ is famous for what ?

    Distruction of Babri Structure is not a terrorist act However distroying several temples and builting mosques on it did by several Islamic rulers is What in language of Koran as per Allaha? Are Hindu people are not then creation of Allah is this the argument ? then the entire claim comcept of Islam Allaha is Vague and to be false. Islam means terror and Islam never bring peace.

    Hindu is such a classic cultural civilization still practiced on this Globe without preaching of it’s expantion / Marketing alike advocated in Bible and Koran both. Prof Mohammad preacehs that as per Allaha (ref Koran) 4 marriages are allowed for one man. But see the fact is PBUH himself did tied 11marriages (ooficially , unofficially not known)

    After death of PBUH his followers fought and killed each other for power and wealth, same did by every Islamic ruler family. and region to region Rulers Afghani, Turkey, Irani, Mughals, and so. In modern world too Pakistan formed separately for own power, again Bangladesh formed for separate Power, Afghanistan was ruled by Taliban after distruction of earlier civilization, within Pakistan several power control groups are active leaders are separate /militory has supreme power/ northern-east region is dominated by some other group.
    Islam is a name of criminal act Demon practice Killings. Islam will never bring peace to Humanity and thus to world.

  24. says

    Hi all ,
    Firstly i cannot understand why the issue of babri masjid is related to babur ,the reason why any muslim would not tolerate is demolition of a masjid ,so agniveer demolishing masjid just because it was made by babur is complety unreasonable there are lot of temples ,church and other religious intitution which is funded by resources which should not be used for any religious place so do you want to say we should demolish all such places , i think the situation would have been same if this masjid was not built by babur , i am sure there was lot hindu kings who made temples and were unjust you cannot say all hindu kings were just with their people so lets dig out all that places and demolish first , i think so this could have been easier to sort unless masjid was demolished what if any muslims would have done same to any temple instead of babri masjid , so thats why i cannot your logicof saying it was good if masjid was demolish because it was made by babur,
    now secndly those who feel that islam preaches hate or any misconception about islam is absolutely ridiculeous everyone is refering to koran versus but did any actually treid to understand why did prophet marry her on daughter just by reading some versus you cannot understand whole concept .
    Lastly
    when you are saying islam was spread forcefully by invading countries is wrong Islam spread by invitation (dawaat) no one ever forced anybody to join islam from that time till today, when you are saying that at mecca there was several followers of prohpet who left and moved to madina because they do not wanted to force any one to islam and they sacrificed their own people so i think whoever are postings this comments just by reading two lines you cannot understand any religion so let not changed the topic who bulit the masjid but why the hell it was destroyed if it was structered there anyone wants any further info can post it and will surely reply to it .
    Regards

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Dear @MUSLIM

      ❶Babur has everything to do with Babri Masjid. He was a hater & killer of non-muslims and destroyer of their properties and temples. He himself has recorded at some places his acts of terror in his Babur Nama. Here’s a little sample of what kind of devil he was :
      ❴ Babur Nama
      Having returned from my visit to Sīkri on Monday, the 14th of the first Rabi, I set out, in pursuance of a vow, on* a holy war against Chanderi,
      On the top of a hill, to the north-west of Chan­deri, I erected a tower of the heads of the pagans. The words Fateh dār-ul-harb* (the conquest of the city hostile to the faith) were found to contain the date of its conquest
      http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03501052%26ct%3D69
      ❷ You have the guts to say that no muslim can agree to the destroying of a masjid .But you are hell bent on supporting the idiot who destroyed a temple to build that babri masjid.
      ❸There are not one but hundreds of masjids in India that have been built by destroying temples.NO historian or archaeologist denies that ..even for the babri structure! A Muslim should himself feel embarrassed by this fact .Instead you are clinging on to a person and structure that tells the atrocities that islam and it’s followers have inflicted on India.
      ❹ The Quwwat-ul-Islam Masjid.at Qutub minar itself was constructed by razing the temple which existed there and out of the material gathered by destroying 27 other temples!!![AND THIS IS A FACT >>IF YOU VISIT THAT PLACE EVEN TODAY YOU WOULD STILL FIND THAT INSCRIPTION THERE]
      Still, the Hindus are demanding one temple back as they believe it’s the birth place of their lord.
      any body supporting the mosque should be thoroughly ashamed of oneself in the light of the above facts

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Dear @MUSLIM

      ❶Babur has everything to do with Babri Masjid. He was a hater & killer of non-muslims and destroyer of their properties and temples. He himself has recorded at some places his acts of terror in his Babur Nama. Here’s a little sample of what kind of devil he was :
      ❴ Babur Nama
      Having returned from my visit to Sīkri on Monday, the 14th of the first Rabi, I set out, in pursuance of a vow, on* a holy war against Chanderi,
      On the top of a hill, to the north-west of Chan­deri, I erected a tower of the heads of the pagans. The words Fateh dār-ul-harb* (the conquest of the city hostile to the faith) were found to contain the date of its conquest
      http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03501052%26ct%3D69
      ❷ You have the guts to say that no muslim can agree to the destroying of a masjid .But you are hell bent on supporting the idiot who destroyed a temple to build that babri masjid.
      ❸There are not one but hundreds of masjids in India that have been built by destroying temples.NO historian or archaeologist denies that ..even for the babri structure! A Muslim should himself feel embarrassed by this fact .Instead you are clinging on to a person and structure that tells the atrocities that islam and it’s followers have inflicted on India.
      ❹ The Quwwat-ul-Islam Masjid.at Qutub minar itself was constructed by razing the temple which existed there and out of the material gathered by destroying 27 other temples!!![AND THIS IS A FACT >>IF YOU VISIT THAT PLACE EVEN TODAY YOU WOULD STILL FIND THAT INSCRIPTION THERE]
      Still, the Hindus are demanding one temple back as they believe it’s the birth place of their lord.
      any body supporting the mosque should be thoroughly ashamed of oneself in the light of the above facts

    • Sunny Chawla says

      lots of Mandirs were destroyed by Muslim kings, what else do u want ?
      and the Babri Masjid, there was a mandir before which Babur destroyed and built a masjid there…

      and if U think that Islam didn’t spread by sword, then read the history of Maharana Pratap, Chhatrapati Shivaji, Guru Arjun Dev, Guru Teg Bahadur and Guru Gobind Singh … there are lots of others but learing their stories would be enough …!!!

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Dear @MUSLIM

      ❶Babur has everything to do with Babri Masjid. He was a hater & killer of non-muslims and destroyer of their properties and temples. He himself has recorded at some places his acts of terror in his Babur Nama. Here’s a little sample of what kind of devil he was :
      ❴ Babur Nama
      Having returned from my visit to Sīkri on Monday, the 14th of the first Rabi, I set out, in pursuance of a vow, on* a holy war against Chanderi,
      On the top of a hill, to the north-west of Chan­deri, I erected a tower of the heads of the pagans. The words Fateh dār-ul-harb* (the conquest of the city hostile to the faith) were found to contain the date of its conquest
      http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D03501052%26ct%3D69
      ❷ You have the guts to say that no muslim can agree to the destroying of a masjid .But you are hell bent on supporting the idiot who destroyed a temple to build that babri masjid.
      ❸There are not one but hundreds of masjids in India that have been built by destroying temples.NO historian or archaeologist denies that ..even for the babri structure! A Muslim should himself feel embarrassed by this fact .Instead you are clinging on to a person and structure that tells the atrocities that islam and it’s followers have inflicted on India.
      ❹ The Quwwat-ul-Islam Masjid.at Qutub minar itself was constructed by razing the temple which existed there and out of the material gathered by destroying 27 other temples!!![AND THIS IS A FACT >>IF YOU VISIT THAT PLACE EVEN TODAY YOU WOULD STILL FIND THAT INSCRIPTION THERE]

      Still, the Hindus are demanding one temple back as they believe it’s the birth place of their lord.

      any body supporting the mosque should be thoroughly ashamed of oneself in the light of the above facts

      ❺Now you say that people here are quoting the verses of Quran and Hadit without understanding the deeper meaning.

      ➔ What deep meaning is there in beheading a lady’s husband and sleeping with her the same day?
      ➔ What deep meaning is there in marrying your own-daughter in law?
      ➔what deep meaning is there in a book that is filled with hate towards unbelievers and unequivocally asks it’s followers to hurt and kill non-muslims?

      ➏ Nobody can deny the cruel islamic invasion of India.Muslim historians have very gleefully documented the dastardly acts of these barbarian ghazis.
      here:http://kalkiagnostic.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/peaceful-islamic-and-mughal-invasion-of-india/

      ➐ Look at the msulims who are in denial on this site. No facts based rebuttal, no reasoning or logic..the only thing they do ..is to deny whatever facts have been presented.simple isn’t it?

      Best Regards

  25. aditya says

    Dear all Human being,

    it is futile to teach a Muslim because there mind is dumb and can’t understand basic things. I have come across a scientist working in reputed lab, but he still believe that Koran is word of GOD and there is nothing wrong with Koran only wrong is the mind of non Muslims who do not have a mind to understand the beauty of Islam. I am totally shocked, a person who have read science especially physics for 20 years still believe in divinity of prophet, who cannot pass the basic test of human being according to humanistic approach. They still consider him the best person to follow in all time to come up to judgment day.

    From these I conclude that it is very difficult to give senses to Muslims about right and wrong. It is much easier to guide or convince people of our faith about the danger of Islam.
    It is especially for those who consider that our religion has also bad things so Islam can also remain in its bad form without opposition.
    But they do not recognize the danger and also they don’t understand or know anything about the Mohamed and Islam.
    Islam in its present form is dangerous to human civilization as well as India.
    Let’s start Dawa to educate our people about danger and history of Islam. If Muslim has right to spread their ill religion, we have also the same right to educate people about the true and real Islam.

  26. Sirf-Muslim says

    Dear Agniveer:

    Surely you are biggest antagonist of Jakir Naik. For few sentences I will speak your tongue.After M.B.B.S I think he must have failed to secure a seat for carrying P.G in any discipline of Medical sciences. At the same time just being a M.B.B.S in this present scenario is not conducive economically. So he turned towards theology and his present position is clear to all. As clothed in western dress with sophisticated security and always in want of thousands of audiences to witness his lectures he is preaching Islam just in contrast to Muhammad SAW. Ah; rather earning. Further more he has erected his successor also to hold his empire in future ” Jakir Naik. junior”. Perhaps his daughter is also preparing.

    Contrary to Jakir Nalayak what made you to turn towards the profession of fooling people on the name of resurrection of Vedic religion?. Your are an IITian and PG from IIM so financially well set at international level. Theology seems to be a new emerging sector for a trial to new entrepreneur.
    My father says religion is a kind of addiction. It has no withdrawal symptoms so everyone must taste it.

  27. Ramzan says

    The noble Quran says 48:29
    Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers – so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.

    I repeat, “And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers – so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers.”. This is here your hearts are on fire here and you will burn in hell in the hereafter.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Thank you @ Ramzan for confirming the fact that the quran says all this disgusting stuff against the non-muslims.

      Dear Muslims

      as you can see..@Ramzan is a muslim and he confirms at least one hate verse of the Quran 48:29.

      This is not just one verse, i am repeat posting a lot other hate verses of the ignoble quran

      ◖Quran 9:28
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَـذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً
      فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ إِن شَاء إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
      O you who believe! THE IDOLATERS ARE NOTHING BUT UNCLEAN, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year.◗

      ◖Quran 9:123
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ
      O you who believe! FIGHT those of the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE NEAR TO YOU and LET THEM FIND IN YOU HARDNESS; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).◗

      ◖Quran 3:28
      لاَّ يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاء مِن دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ أَن
      تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللّهُ نَفْسَهُ وَإِلَى اللّهِ الْمَصِيرُ
      LET NOT THE BELIEVERS TAKE FOR FRIENDS OR HELPERS UNBELIEVERS rather than believers: IF ANY DO THAT, IN NOTHING THERE WILL BE HELP FROM ALLAH◗

      ◖Quran 48:29
      مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاء عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَى عَلَى سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْراً عَظِيماً
      Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are FIRM OF HEART AGAINST THE UNBELIEVERS, COMPASSIONATE AMONGST EACH OTHER◗

      ◖Quran 3:85
      وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِيناً فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
      And WHOEVER DESIRES A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED FROM HIM, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers◗

      ◖Quran 9:23
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ آبَاءكُمْ وَإِخْوَانَكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء إَنِ اسْتَحَبُّواْ الْكُفْرَ عَلَى الإِيمَانِ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم
      مِّنكُمْ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
      O you who believe! DO NOT TAKE YOUR FATHERS AND BROTHERS for guardians IF THEY LOVE UNBELIEF MORE THAN BELIEF; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust◗

      ◖Quran 5:51
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ
      مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
      O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. HE AMONG YOU WHO TAKETH THEM FOR FRIENDS IS (ONE) OF THEM. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk◗

      ◖Quran 8:12
      إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلآئِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرَّعْبَ
      فَاضْرِبُواْ فَوْقَ الأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُواْ مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ
      When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS and STRIKE OF EVERY FINGERTIP of them.◗

      NOW TELL ME : WHY SHOULD THIS BOOK OF COMMUNAL HATRED NOT BE BANNED IN INDIA OR ANY DEMOCRATIC NATION ?

      We have plenty of @RAMZANs roaming around us ..who believe in this hateful doctrine and are the hideen enemies of humanity

      Wake UP! don’t become a @RAMZAN ..reclaim your human values ..come back to humanity and leave this cult

      • tauqeer says

        It pains me to present distorted picture of any religion and quote out of context to prove my point.My religion does not teach this.But as you are crossing all the limits I would just give you a small glimps to show that we muslims are quite capable of matching your slandarous campain.Here are the glimpsesMay god forgive me.
        1)See the Idols of your gods each one represents violence with all sorts of deadly weapons in their hands and ready to kil.l To name few swords,trishul,chakra,bow and arrow,gada,spears etc etc.Some are shown wearing necklace of human skull,some are showin sucking blood.

        NOW SEE THESE VESES OF sacred BHAGWAT GITA

        dehi nityam avadhyo ‘yam
        dehe sarvasya bharata
        tasmat sarvani bhutani
        na tvam socitum arhasi
        O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body is eternal and can never be slain. Therefore you need not grieve for any creature.
        sva-dharmam api caveksya
        na vikampitum arhasi
        dharmyad dhi yuddhac chreyo ‘nyat
        ksatriyasya na vidyate
        Considering your specific duty as a ksatriya, you should know that there is no better engagement for you than fighting ; and so there is no need for hesitation.
        yadrcchaya copapannam
        svarga-dvaram apavrtam
        sukhinah ksatriyah partha
        labhante yuddham idrsam
        O Partha, happy are the ksatriyas to whom such fighting opportunities come unsought, opening for them the doors of the heavenly planets
        atha cet tvam imam dharmyam
        sangramam na karisyasi
        tatah sva-dharmam kirtim ca
        hitva papam avapsyasi
        If, however, you do not fight, then you will certainly incur sins for neglecting your duties and thus lose your reputation as a fighter.
        bhayad ranad uparatam
        mamsyante tvam maha-rathah
        yesam ca tvam bahu-mato
        bhutva yasyasi laghavam
        The great generals who have highly esteemed your name and fame will think that you have left the battlefield out of fear only, and thus they will consider you a coward
        hato va prapsyasi svargam
        jitva va bhoksyase mahim
        tasmad uttistha kaunteya
        yuddhaya krta-niscayah
        O son of Kunti, either you will be killed on the battlefield and attain the heavenly planets, or you will conquer and enjoy the earthly kingdom. Therefore get up and fight with determination
        sukha-duhkhe same krtva
        labhalabhau jayajayau
        tato yuddhaya yujyasva
        naivam papam avapsyasi
        Do thou fight for the sake of fighting, without considering happiness or distress, loss or gain, victory or defeat–and, by so doing, you shall never incur sin
        THIS IS JUST A TIP OF ICE BERG I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON BUT I DO NOT WISH TO

        • Tanveer says

          Very well said Tauqeer, even these people know the truth that is why they are trying to distract the common people by maligning Islam. These people are mischief makers. i m also happy that not all hindus are like agniveer niehter agniveer represents the entire hindu community. It is the unity of hindus and muslims that makes India a better place to live in. There are few takers of agniveer in his own community that is why such communal forces have been thrown out of power. Even then agniveer has not learnt a lesson.

          • Arya says

            @Tanveer, Tauqeer
            Brother, so you are here now! BTW, what happened, why did not you reply to my comment on http://agniveer.com/1624/islam-the-fastest-growing-religion/ in which I showed you that Muhammad allowed his warriors to rape women? Its easy to praise any Tauqeer for his ignorance but difficult to accept the truth.

            Tauqeer mian! Where did we say that punishing someone for his wrong doings is a sin? But problem comes when you define these “wrong doings” as “not believing Muhammad, Satan etc” and you declare war against others just because they dont want to follow a rapist, pedophile, looter self proclaimed prophet. Was Mahabharat fought for religious beliefs? Did Krishna say that Arjun! kill them because they dont believe in what you believe in? Even if you keep on bending on this issue, do we say that Mahabharat is the final word of God and the one, who does not accept it will be burnt in hell forever?

            Both of you come from Indian sub continent probably. Your ancestors were the followers of Vedas but they had to reject their faith due to fear of Islamic sword. I invite both of you to the Dharm of Vedas, which your ancestors were proud of.

          • Tanveer says

            My dear arya I have already replied to Indian Agnostic whose allegation was much worse than yours but the thing is that I m still getting the message “Your comments are undet moderation. Tell your brother moderator to be brave and allow all the answers to be shown in this forum. If that happens then you will run for cover. In case my messgae is published then read my answer given to Indian Agnostic.

          • Arya says

            @Tanveer
            Ok. Please tell me, you asked me to show those hadith which say Muhammad allowed his warriors to rape women. And I showed. Do you accept your defeat on this?

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @Tanveer, Tauqeer

            Your argument holds no ground bro..

            1. Quran asks ALL MUSLIMS to hate , hurt and loot the rest of Humanity ..whereas the war dialogue you present from the Gita is about a prince to fight for his rightful claim and not shun his principal duty to reclaim or protect his kingdom

            2. Quran spreads hatred based on the other persons religion ..while Gita has no such reference ..it just states to fight according to law and righteousness.

            3.Quran’s God is the only God who collects 1/5th of the loot and plunder done by it’s followers

            what are you comparing bro ? apples and oranges?

        • Indian Agnostic says

          @Tauqeer, Tanveer

          (although Gita is not Veda and i am not obliged to defend it ..but i know that it has a far better and sensible message than the few good things in all abrahmic books put together)

          What do these verses of the Gita Talk about?

          These talk about warrior princes fighting for their right to land ..why do you think warrior princes should not fight for their legitimate rights if all peaceful dialogues fail?

          Both pandavas and Kauravas could have shown some legitimcay to their right on the throne as the kingdom belonged to their ancestors

          THAT SCENARIO IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF ISLAM

          while the Mahabharata is known to be a battle between legit heirs to the throne …The Quran is a suo moto declaration of violence against the rest of Humanity

          It asks it’s followers to attack foreign lands and foreign faiths

          another MAJOR difference is that Krishna is advising a warrior to fight for his right ..whereas the Quran is asking ALL MUSLIMS to hate and hurt the kafirs

          when two armies fight ..there could be some justification in the acts ..BUT the fact that EVERY MUSLIM is commanded to hate or hurt or kill the non-muslims and enjoy the war booty by the Quran makes an irrational, dngerous violence inciting book

          Got it sir?

          best regards

  28. Alex says

    Go fuck urself…..
    u guys know nothing abt unity n equality…..u ppl r hypocrites……..hypocrisy is wat flows in ur veins.
    u hav always wanted to disunite/divide the indian ppl most importantly on the basis of religion n as well as caste,creed n sex etc.
    all u ppl ever wanted was to fill the hearts of ppl(hindus) wid hatred for the ppl in minority (mainly muslims but nw christians as well).
    if this is wat hinduism is all abt then it is nothing less than the tool to brainwash ppl into becoming murderers,rapists and animals in their worst form.
    thr is a thing called humanity……..which is lacking in ppl like u.
    u guys complain n cry abt the taliban…………but u guys r just like them………….u guys r nothing less than terrorists.
    fuck u all.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Alex

      ❶ You exemplify the way a muslim ‘peacefully’ registers his grievance.Thanks for this permanent post :)
      ❷Hypocrisy is not in exposing a lie .Hypocrisy is when you recite surahs that call for hatred towards non-muslims in your slaaat and then come to this board compaining about peaceful co-existence
      ❸ Quran unequivocally teaches you guys to hate non-muslims , not make friends with Jews or Christians and hurt them whenever possible. You talking about unity is a big joke.

      ❹OK LET”S DO AN EXPERIMENT ..suppose i create a new religion.And it’s holy book has many good verses BUT it also has the following verses::

      ➟Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse: 5
      Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the ‘Muslims’ wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! God is Forgiving, Merciful.

      ➟Sura: 8 [AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)] Verse: 12
      I will throw fear into the hearts of ‘Muslims’. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

      ➟Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse: 28
      O ye who believe! The ‘Muslims’ only are unclean

      ➟Sura: 5 [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)] Verse:51
      O ye who believe! Take not the ‘Muslims’ for friends

      ➟Sura: 4 [AN-NISA (WOMEN)] Verse:34
      As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them

      ➟Sura:9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse:123
      O ye who believe! Fight ‘Muslims’ who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you

      NOW ANSWER:

      ➀WOULD YOU RESPECT THIS NEW RELIGION OF MINE OR NOT?
      ➁Should i be allowed to practice this religion in any multicultural country?
      ➂Should I kill all those who oppose this new religion of mine?

      ❺The difference between hindus/christians AND muslims is that while hindus and christians no longer follow their religious book literally ..the muslims find their book to be the command of God to be followed literally.
      Unfortunately , Quran is an exceptionally intolerant book.It hates idolaters,pagans,jews,christians …in short entire humanity!!

      ❻you calling us ‘taliban’!!? …the same taliban who blew away the Bamian Buddhas in the name of Islam?
      your prophet himself destroyed the idols of the poor meccans to make a house for your god.
      Islamic invaders razed all the fire temples or other places of worship wherever they went.
      Iran has lost most of it’s heritage and babylonia completely decimated at the hands of islam

      IF there is one threat to humanity ..ITS THE PEOPLE WHO BLINDLY FOLLOW THIS HATE FILLED BOOK OF YOURS.period.

    • Archie says

      WELL SAID BRO – You’re absolutely correct, this blog was created and full of hypocrites. These people are just spreading hatred and giving the wrong picture of hinduism. This blog is INSULT TO HINDUISM.

      • Indian Agnostic says

        @Archie

        since your faculties of reason and logic have evaporated by the bombardment of truth, you can’t see the obvious fact that this is NOT a hinduism site..this is a site of the Light of Truth.

        It promotes the idea of critically challenging the religions that we blindly follow ..and it spares no RELIGION ..be it hinduism, Islam or Christianty ..or any other dogma in this world.

        as far as i am concerned it doesn’t matter if this site is an insult to hindusim or islam or christianity or judaism or whateva …to me what matters is that IF ANY of these religious dogmas becomes an INSULT TO HUMANITY or RATIONALITY it MUST BE EXPOSED.

        Religions have been the cause of wars, strife and degradation of human values..to oppose them is but a natural for any HUMAN heart ..zombies may feel otherwise of course

    • tauqeer says

      ALEX just be polite and see how they are not able to reply my postings.They are just deliting them.JESUS- MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM HAS SHOWN THE WORLD path of HUMANITY AND POLITENESS. ISA MASIH(one who raises the dead)or ISARUHULLAH(the pious soul) as we muslims call him cannot be understood by these fanatics so there is no point in spoling our langauge.If people start understanding Isaalehsalam there will be total peace in the world.

        • tauqeer says

          so when replies become too hot for you and in same tone as yours it becomes sensitive and you delit the replies.Why not delit the whole section if it is sensitive?and by the your agressiveness, your langauge makes the entire site sensitive.I is just that others are keeping restrain because of there cultured up bringing.I would sugest do not try to open a can of worms for your self.

          • Arya says

            @tauqeer
            Its third time you have threatened us of opening can of worms! Seems you carry it all the time on your back or rather it is the can in your brain in which worms of Jehadi and immoral hadiths were poured from your childhood.

            And brother, supporting Babri Masjid made in the name of a gay drinker Babur, have you not insulted Allah?

          • tauqeer says

            now now now where did I threaten you?If you do not know what the phrase means it is your problem.Problem with people like you is that as soon as you start loosing ground you start throwing tantrums, your langauge as proved above becomes abusive,you become hyper and tense.And mind you I have always been extremely polite as my religion ordains me to doand expect you to do same as your religion also ordains the same thing.I just ment to remind you that others are quite capable or rather having same incapability as you have to use your methods and technique

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          • tauqeer says

            I FULLY AGREE AND EXPECT SAME FROM YOU .BUY THE WAY ABOVE TONE IS ALSO
            THREATNING.I GAURANTEE YOU THAT I WILL BE MOST HUMBLE AND POLITE.I CONDEMN TERRORISM IN ALL FORM AND I AM SURE PEOPLE DOING THESE ACTS WILL BE PUNISHED BY GOD ALMIGHTY

          • says

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  29. Ramzan says

    Sura 2:26
    Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, “What did Allah intend by this as an example?” He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient.

    So Allah guides those who seek guidance and misleads the defiantly disobedient. Now you know where you stand.

    Sura 2:23 says And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.

    So its an open challenge that if you think its written by Mohammad(pbuh) write something like this. In the past 1400 hundred years no one could, why you don’t you try it.

    Sura 55:33 says O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ].

    So get out from Allah’s heavens and earth and don’t create mischief here. Allah is the owner and the master, so repent and ask for forgiveness, you have so much knowledge but why are going away from the right path.

    Allah(swt) says in Sura 25:69 Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated ~ and here is the good news in the very next ayah if you understand. In Ayah 25:70 Allah(swt) says, Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

    Imagine how many Aads, firowns and Namroods have gone, they all could not do bad to anyone except themselves. The door of repentance and forgiveness is open till before you die. Be wise do it.
    All your sins will be changed to good deeds by the merciful lord.

    I wish you the highest succes in this world and the next. Its in your hand. All you got to do is say, “O Allah forgive me and repent with a sincere heart. All the best.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Ramzan says❴
      Sura 2:26
      Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, “What did Allah intend by this as an example?” He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient.

      So Allah guides those who seek guidance and misleads the defiantly disobedient. Now you know where you stand.❵

      Dear @Ramzan

      Look at the irony of the verse you share with me (Quran 2:26)

      This is what you call God ? ..the one who keeps me on the wrong path if i go astray?

      Think about your parents for a moment….If you commit a mistake ..do they let you keep committing mistakes your whole life ..OR..try to bring you back to the right path?

      ONLY SATAN has the tendency to keep people on the wrong path if they go astray..Allah seems to be doing nothing different.

      Let me share with you more verses which reveal the sense of justice(read injustice) and compassion (read hatred) of this God towrds his OWN CREATION!

      ❶First, lets find out why i cannot accept islam ..is it my fault or Allah’s? you decide after reading this verse
      Al-Anaam (Sura 6) verse 125
      Therefore (for) whomsoever Allah intends that He would guide him aright, He expands his breast for Islam, and (for) whomsoever He intends that He should cause him to err, He makes his breast strait and narrow as though he were ascending upwards; thus does Allah lay uncleanness on those who do not believe.

      ❷Second, Is it possible for me to lend my ears or open my heart to Islam out of my own will? you decide after reading this one:
      “Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom” http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html#002.007

      ❸Now, Do i have a right to a good destiny if i remain a good human being ? maybe not :
      “…..and Allah grants His kingdom to whom He pleases, and Allah is Amplegiving, Knowing.” http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html#002.247

      ❹What if i am a rational person , and ask for some clear signs from Allah? what is Allah’s response? here:
      “And those who disbelieve say: Why is not a sign sent down upon him by his Lord? Say: Surely Allah makes him who will go astray, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).” http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html#002.247

      ❺Anyways ..forget all that. Dear All powerful Allah tell us why dint you make your entire creation Muslim in the first place?
      “If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together” http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/032.qmt.html#032.013

      You call this God ..who does not give everybody guidance.. just because he wants to roast some of his creation in hell!!???

      that sounds like a cruel God ..deliberately confusing the hell out of his own creation..to roast them in his tandoor!!

      that’s not Godly at all ..look at gravity …does it say that i will just keep the mullah’s feet on the ground? Ne! ..it attracts the skull cap as sincerely and justly as any other cap

      does water say that i will quench the thirst only of muslims and nobody else? Ne!

      when entire creation is impartial to one’s religion ..how can the creator of creation be???

      think outside the skull cap for a moment! ..leave such unjust and cruel doctrines

      WAKE UP!

  30. Mahesh says

    We Hindus want a Ram Temple there at the site of Babri Masjid and nothing else. All this talk of cultural dialogue, building hospital or school is crap.

    • ganya says

      If those fools rally want to build schools hospital etc then let them break all masjid in india and make school, college, hospital on that.

      But in Ayodhya only Ram mandir should be build

      • SSS says

        @ ganya:

        Are you really following Vedas….???

        If you say ‘Yes’, then why you are speaking like this???

        A person who is following Vedas should not speak like this…since God is present everywhere…and don’t need a temple to worship God…

        • says

          U r very right sir if god is every where then muslim don’t need masjid to worship god. Let them sit at home do their namaz and allow us to rebuild our Ram temple. Here it is not the question whter ur a follower of veda or not. Ram is a National hero.Being a nationalist it is our duty to rebuild temple at his birthplace. By building a grand temple it will be a fitting reply to those Invader , tyrant mentality cult. Not only Ramtemple but all the bigtemples, all synagogue,etc must be rebuild which was broken by such imposter and tyrant

          • SSS says

            @ ganya:

            You are telling that guy as tyrant…but you are more than that…!!! :D

            I got confused…whether you are tyrant or that guy is tyrant…???

          • ganya says

            If any theif steals something from me and if I took that back or snacth that back….Then guys like u declaring me a theif, tyrant……. sad on ur logic yaar.

            Those invader broke our Ram temple and build their Masjid on that and if I want my temple in the same place ur telling me as tyrant more then them….

            If peopple like u r supporting so vehemently to all those muhammads follower who simply destroyed all the civiliation in the west asia.And I here jst asking our temple in Rams Birth place. Tell me what is wrong with my demand? Hindus never demand Ram temple in Mecca….

            We hindus dont required certificate from u that whether Ram accept it or not.

      • Top Gun says

        Ya u build hospitals in every masjid,
        and v make sure u reach to the nearest hospital as soon as possible.

        Imagin hospitals full of morons, Funna na?

  31. Sanjay Naik says

    Hi to the comment dated august 27, 2010. 09:57 am

    I have a very humble request to you my friend before you say anyhing about islamic views. Kindly go ahead and learn ancient arabic which will make you understand about it. No religion teaches wrong deeds to anyone it’ just we have taken it personally. As i am running short of time so unable to post more comments to you. moreover, plz do as i say its not a threat to you but a request. Hopefully, i am eager to see ur comment back on here ASAP.

    Many thanks.

  32. True Indian says

    @Agniveerji:
    Heartily dhanyavaad for this well written article, with proper proofs.

    @others: Thanks for the enlightening discussion.. I am reading Bhagawat Geeta nowadays.. I find it highly logical and scientific..
    Also, m planning to read Quran online.. The main motivation was to understand what drives these, so called muslim extremist, to kill innocent people at the name of zihad etc..
    Its really saddening that they are totally intolerant towards other religions.. :(

    Everybody should be rational.. Live and let live.. :)

  33. Andy says

    Dude…. whn i read ur post, only one thing came to my mind..

    “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.” Why do ppl like you drag the issue and corrupt the mind of million Peacelovers.

    For ones, try to think beyound this pity religious boundaries… Dont be a fantic, believe in ur religion.. its very good.

    A friend of mine (a Hindu) told me that Hinduism for him is a way of living, and he enjoys it whn he follows it like that. But reading through your views makes me sad. I wish all of us believe in our religions and dont follow it blindly. Religion was made to give a path for those who cannot visualise almigthy without it. It was made for the bettermant of us… but now it seems “Mazhab yahi sikhata … aapas main bair rakhna!”

    Dont spoil this world with your dirty and prejudised thoughts… u never chose to be a hindu.. u were born one.

    • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

      @Andy no one is corrupting anyone here it just because so called islamic scholars(zakir Naik and kind) came with with their wild fantasies and preaching imaginary things about the Vedas and our scripture; we are just clearing the misconceptions and leting loose the Knowledge of the Vead and simple comparison and scrutiny of the Islamic scripture (which is claimed to be superior than any other by muslims) and the guy you are quoting “Mazhab nahi sikhata” i.e Moh. Iqbal was the guy who propsed the idea of Pakistan and divided the people based on religion and moreover the irony is that His ancestory were Kashmiri Hindu Pandit :) , who were forced to convert to Islam for fear of Death

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Andy

      some more peace lovers have centered Delhi

      they just gave us a byte of peace at the holy Jama Masjid..more peace is on it’s way!

      Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas mein bair rakhna.?.. Have you ever read the Quran ???

      Yes a little knowledge is INDEED dangerous ..ironically it applies to you more than any body else!

      Did any Buddhist burn shops and kill anybody when the Bamian Buddhas were blown away by iconoclast Islamists? nO!

      And a mere rumour about quran burning , that too in USA, lead to rioting, bus burning and deaths in India

      Tolerating intolerance is no way to ensure peace ..Look inside and around ..you have a lot to answer than question sir

      best regards

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Andy ..here’s alittle byte that i am posting for the umpteenth time on this very page..just for you:

      MAZHAB NAHI SIKHAATA AAPAS MEIN BAIR RAKHNA ????

      ◖Quran 9:28
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَـذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً
      فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ إِن شَاء إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
      O you who believe! THE IDOLATERS ARE NOTHING BUT UNCLEAN, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year.◗

      ◖Quran 9:123
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ وَلْيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ
      O you who believe! FIGHT those of the UNBELIEVERS WHO ARE NEAR TO YOU and LET THEM FIND IN YOU HARDNESS; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).◗

      ◖Quran 3:28
      لاَّ يَتَّخِذِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاء مِن دُوْنِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللّهِ فِي شَيْءٍ إِلاَّ أَن
      تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَاةً وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللّهُ نَفْسَهُ وَإِلَى اللّهِ الْمَصِيرُ
      LET NOT THE BELIEVERS TAKE FOR FRIENDS OR HELPERS UNBELIEVERS rather than believers: IF ANY DO THAT, IN NOTHING THERE WILL BE HELP FROM ALLAH◗

      ◖Quran 48:29
      مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاء عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَى عَلَى سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْراً عَظِيماً
      Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are FIRM OF HEART AGAINST THE UNBELIEVERS, COMPASSIONATE AMONGST EACH OTHER◗

      ◖Quran 3:85
      وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِيناً فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
      And WHOEVER DESIRES A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT SHALL NOT BE ACCEPTED FROM HIM, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers◗

      ◖Quran 9:23
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ آبَاءكُمْ وَإِخْوَانَكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء إَنِ اسْتَحَبُّواْ الْكُفْرَ عَلَى الإِيمَانِ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم
      مِّنكُمْ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
      O you who believe! DO NOT TAKE YOUR FATHERS AND BROTHERS for guardians IF THEY LOVE UNBELIEF MORE THAN BELIEF; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust◗

      ◖Quran 5:51
      يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء بَعْضٍ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ
      مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
      O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. HE AMONG YOU WHO TAKETH THEM FOR FRIENDS IS (ONE) OF THEM. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk◗

      ◖Quran 8:12
      إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلآئِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرَّعْبَ
      فَاضْرِبُواْ فَوْقَ الأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُواْ مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ
      When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast TERROR into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS and STRIKE OF EVERY FINGERTIP of them.◗

      NOW TELL ME IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TRUE TO SAY?

  34. RP says

    No religion is bad. It is the followers that bring shame upon it..

    According to me, that place should now be made into a hospital or other such thing so that it stops becoming a source of unnecessary controversy and to be of some use to mankind.

  35. Kiran says

    I find this insulting. After the fallout that ensued after the destruction of the Babri mosque- all the people that died, the children that were hung and burnt alive- how can you say that this is a symbol of Muslim-Hindu unity? Destroying these mosque’s will not bring back the temples, it will just incite more violence and hate. From the perspective of a historian, which I am, the destruction of anything as old and significant as the Babri mosque is a tragedy, the same way the destruction of the Bamian Buddhas were in Afghanistan by the Taliban. You should be promoting cultural sensitivity if you REALLY want “unity”- which clearly you don’t since you are calling for destruction.
    Two wrongs don’t make a right. The last thing we need in India is more sectarian violence, which people like you are promulgating.
    Also- your argument is one big logical fallacy- called an “ad hominem.” You should familiarize yourself with that.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Kiran, the Islamic Historian

      if you had any love for history apart from it’s Islamic relevance, you would have rather found the entrails of the structure much more SIGNIFICANT…The artefactual treasure that was burried or plastered within the walls of the structure is any NEUTRAL historians delight.

      You find an inscription which is much older than the structure..You are not even aware that the surroundings of the site were excavated much before 1992 ..which indicated that a SIGNIFICANT structure was destroyed to create your islamically significant structure.

      Are the Hindus demading some 10,000 odd temples which were destroyed by Ghazis?No! ..they are asking for that site to be given back to them which they believe as the birth place of their Lord.

      and as a quid pro quo ..please look into strawman fallacy of argumentation ..which sums up your post much better than the rest of my response

    • Arya says

      @Kiran
      1. I find this insulting. After hurting the sentiments of all Vedic followers here by writing against Agniveerji, what do you have to say about your ad hominem argument?

      2. Writing against Agniveerji will not bring back the so called mosque built by gay drinker Babur. It will just incite more violence and hate for self proclaimed historians among Hindus!

      3. Can a place which was the symbol of cruelty of a tyrant gay Babur be ever said as cultural heritage? It is same as someone slapped some self proclaimed historian and after getting slapped, she refused to take bath. When she was asked the reason, she, from the perspective of a historian, which she is, reveals that she is preserving the finger marks of the spanker on her face! I know you will do it because you care for cultural sensitivity!

      If meaning of peace means giving your head peacefully to the butcher, let this peace be upon you! If fighting the unjust and cruelty is promulgating violence, we happily accept ourselves as promulgators. If historians are those who want us to forget the past and to compromise and surrender in present, we happily claim that we did not study History! If unity means All Muslims will go to heaven with unity and rest all will burn in hell, let Eeshvar bless you with such unity. But for those, who have blood flowing through their veins and not any bogus fluid of retarded history, I pray war than this unity since war has equality at least!

      I dont expect any negative reply from you because I know, you care for cultural sensitivity!

    • hbr says

      Why not we apply the same argument that now since its already destroyed and a temple is built, why not leave as a temple…
      Also since the ASI findings have found that there still exists the pillers and foundation of the temple which existed prior to the mosque…now we have the remains of a temple which predates the mosque and history has got more information and proof…

    • Abdul Raheem says

      To All Humans,

      Just wanted to bring into your notice, that the first human brought on the earth “Adam” was the worshipper of Allaha and helped to grow of its own kind with restrictions and limitation bound by the sayings of Allah (God / Bhagwan) some of the people did not like this and turned evil to satisy there own needs, let it be the Krita Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, the Treta Yuga, and finally the Kali Yuga, since Islam / Allah had always wanted people to live Righteous, healthy and peaceful life most of the fanatics / morons did not like it and started opposing Islam.

      All humans know that Islam is the religion of peace, harmony and sucess, but they still oppose it since they want rule over other people but just adding a religious class, shudras, dalits and non hindus……I am sure there are more fanatic people who will oposse to my thread without any doubt and this goes to show some live examples of them…….Jazakallah…….Allah please show the right path and deeds to the people who are lost in the way of sucess (fanatics / Morons)

        • sanatanaakki says

          adam and eve if reality…….

          it means islam allows inchest……

          as adam and eve gave birth to girl and boy then both are brother and sister..and we all came from adam and eve that means we all are brothers and sisters…

          lol that means we are having sex with our sisters……..

          islam only creates confusion….

  36. Anup says

    Self proclaimed Historians? Well to me they seem to be all HMV (His master’s Voice now His Mistress Voice). It is these SICK historians who attain orgasmic pleasure at writing any filth against HINDUS which will please the Master or Mistress. It is such idiots of Historians who called BHAGAT SINGH a terrorist in ICSE books perhaps because he belonged to NON ABRAHAMIC faith.

    Why dont these mentally SICK historians just pick up GEETA and Quran/Bible and appraise theselves of what’s where? Or is it that they lack the BALLS to write anything that would displease the ABRAHAMIC Faith followers?

    Big DICK Heads. Yes my post may sound too vitriolic but it is less vitriolic than the “Terror Manual” itself which these historians just dont have the NUTS to criticize. All a gift of

    NEHRU-KHAN-GANDHI Dynasty to this country. HINDU Hating idiots.

  37. Abdul Raheem says

    To All Humans,

    Just wanted to bring into your notice, that the first human brought on the earth “Adam” was the worshipper of Allaha and helped to grow of its own kind with restrictions and limitation bound by the sayings of Allah (God / Bhagwan) some of the people did not like this and turned evil to satisy there own needs, let it be the Krita Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, the Treta Yuga, and finally the Kali Yuga, since Islam / Allah had always wanted people to live Righteous, healthy and peaceful life most of the fanatics / morons did not like it and started opposing Islam.

    All humans know that Islam is the religion of peace, harmony and sucess, but they still oppose it since they want rule over other people but just adding a religious class, shudras, dalits and non hindus……I am sure there are more fanatic people who will oposse to my thread without any doubt and this goes to show some live examples of them…….Jazakallah…….Allah please show the right path and deeds to the people who are lost in the way of sucess (fanatics / Morons)

    • ganya says

      if u use ur logic u will know that Adam and Eve are the first one to born is a only a Myth.

      If u assume that Adam and Eve are true then We all are born because Adam and Eve indulge in Incest. Procreation cannot be possible by any other way. It means God also supported that…..

      Then suddenly Allah got enlightened and prohibit marraige in blood relations. heheh…

      I think Allah is confused….

      But truth is that this assumption is wrong ..

      • Abdul Raheem says

        Ganya,

        Let me know your “divya ” logic of this and then i will explain you in detail for your better understanding

  38. shadat says

    One of the best example of Islamic secularism, independence and tolerance to the ones who are from another religion,

    “I, the Sultan Khan the Conqueror,

    hereby declare the whole world that,

    The Bosnian Franciscans granted with this sultanate firman are under my protection. And I command that:

    No one shall disturb or give harm to these people and their churches! They shall live in peace in my state. These people who have become emigrants, shall have security and liberty. They may return to their monasteries which are located in the borders of my state.

    No one from my empire notable, viziers, clerks or my maids will break their honour or give any harm to them!

    No one shall insult, put in danger or attack these lives, properties, and churches of these people!

    Also, what and those these people have brought from their own countries have the same rights…

    By declaring this firman, I swear on my sword by the holy name of Allah who has created the ground and sky, Allah’s prophet Mohammed, and 124,000 former prophets that; no one from my citizens will react or behave the opposite of this firman!”

    It is one of the oldest documents on religious freedom. Mehmed II’s oath was entered into force in the Ottoman Empire on May 28, 1463. In 1971, the United Nations published a translation of the document in all the official U.N. languages

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_II

    • tauqeer says

      shadat I will add more

      All people, the merchants, artists, and agriculturists were divided separately into their respective classes, and ten thousand men, high and low, were counted. Muhammad Kásim then ordered twelve diram’s weight of silver to be assigned to each man, because all their property had been plundered. He appointed people from among the villagers and the chief citizens to collect the fixed taxes from the cities and villages, that there might be a feeling of strength and protection. When the Brahmans saw this, they represented their case, and the nobles and principal inhabitants of the city gave evidence as to the superiority of the Brahmans. Muhammad Kásim maintained their dignity, and passed orders confirming their pre-eminence. They were protected against opposi¬tion and violence. Each of them was entrusted with an office, for Kásim was confident that they would not be inclined to dishonesty.

  39. Indian says

    We have many problems in our life. Why are we more concerned about building a masjid or building a temple at one place. Why can’t we build both at one place. I have lot of hindu friends and I love them and they love me too. Why are we concerned about what babur did or what he build or why did some people demolish it. Let us be more concerned about how to make our india “DEVELOPED COUNTRY’ from still “DEVELOPING COUNTRY”.

    I say I am “INDIAN” not muslim or hindu . Who are with me?

  40. abhijeet4288 says

    The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilisation that “the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history”.

    India before the advent of Islamic imperialism was not exactly a zone of peace. There were plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. But in all their wars, the Hindus had observed some time-honoured conventions sanctioned by the Sastras. The Brahmins and the Bhikshus were never molested. The cows were never killed. The temples were never touched. The chastity of women was never violated. The non-combatants were never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless it was a fort. The civil population was never plundered. War booty was an unknown item in the calculations of conquerors. The martial classes who clashed, mostly in open spaces, had a code of honor. Sacrifice of honor for victory or material gain was deemed as worse than death.

    Islamic imperialism came with a different code–the Sunnah of the Prophet. It required its warriors to fall upon the helpless civil population after a decisive victory had been won on the battlefield. It required them to sack and burn down villages and towns after the defenders had died fighting or had fled. The cows, the Brahmins, and the Bhikshus invited their special attention in mass murders of non-combatants. The temples and monasteries were their special targets in an orgy of pillage and arson. Those whom they did not kill, they captured and sold as slaves. The magnitude of the booty looted even from the bodies of the dead, was a measure of the success of a military mission. And they did all this as mujahids (holy warriors) and ghazls (kafir-killers) in the service of Allah and his Last Prophet.

    Hindus found it very hard to understand the psychology of this new invader. For the first time in their history, Hindus were witnessing a scene which was described by Kanhadade Prabandha (1456 AD) in the following words:

    “The conquering army burnt villages, devastated the land, plundered people’s wealth, took Brahmins and children and women of all classes captive, flogged with thongs of raw hide, carried a moving prison with it, and converted the prisoners into obsequious Turks.”

    That was written in remembrance of Alauddin Khalji’s invasion of Gujarat in the year l298 AD. But the gruesome game had started three centuries earlier when Mahmud Ghaznavi had vowed to invade India every year in order to destroy idolatry, kill the kafirs, capture prisoners of war, and plunder vast wealth for which India was well-known.

    MAHMUD AND MASOOD GHAZNAVI

    In 1000 AD Mahmud defeated Raja Jaipal, a scion of the Hindu Shahiya dynasty of Kabul. This dynasty had been for long the doorkeeper of India in the Northwest. Mahmud collected 250,000 dinars as indemnity. That perhaps was normal business of an empire builder. But in 1004 AD he stormed Bhatiya and plundered the place. He stayed there for some time to convert the Hindus to Islam with the help of mullahs he had brought with him.

    In 1008 AD he captured Nagarkot (Kangra). The loot amounted to 70,000,000 dirhams in coins and 700,400 mans of gold and silver, besides plenty of precious stones and embroidered cloths. In 1011 AD he plundered Thanesar which was undefended, destroyed many temples, and broke a large number of idols. The chief idol, that of Chakraswamin, was taken to Ghazni and thrown into the public square for defilement under the feet of the faithful. According to Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi, Mahmud’s secretary,

    “The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at Thanesar] that the stream was discolored, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise he to Allah for the honor he bestows on Islam and Muslims.”

    In 1013 AD Mahmud advanced against Nandana where the Shahiya king, Anandapal, had established his new capital. The Hindus fought very hard but lost. Again, the temples were destroyed, and innocent citizens slaughtered. Utbi provides an account of the plunder and the prisoners of war:

    “The Sultan returned in the rear of immense booty, and slaves were so plentiful that they became very cheap and men of respectability in their native land were degraded by becoming slaves of common shopkeepers. But this is the goodness of Allah, who bestows honor on his own religion and degrades infidelity.”

    The road was now clear for an assault on the heartland of Hindustan. In December 1018 AD Mahmud crossed the Yamuna, collected 1,000,000 dirhams from Baran (Bulandshahar), and marched to Mahaban in Mathura district. Utbi records:

    “The infidels…deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river…but many of them were slain, taken or drowned… Nearly fifty thousand men were killed.”

    Mathura was the next victim. Mahmud seized five gold idols weighing 89,300 missals and 200 silver idols. According to Utbi, “The Sultan gave orders that all the temples should be burnt with naptha and fire, and levelled with the ground.” The pillage of the city continued for 20 days. Mahmud now turned towards Kanauj which had been the seat of several Hindu dynasties. Utbi continues: “In Kanauj there were nearly ten thousand temples… Many of the inhabitants of the place fled in consequence of witnessing the fate of their deaf and dumb idols. Those who did not fly were put to death. The Sultan gave his soldiers leave to plunder and take prisoners.”

    The Brahmins of Munj, which was attacked next, fought to the last man after throwing their wives and children into fire. The fate of Asi was sealed when its ruler took fright and fled. According to Utbi, “…. the Sultan ordered that his five forts should be demolished from their foundations, the inhabitants buried in their ruins, and the soldiers of the garrison plundered, slain and captured”.

    Shrawa, the next important place to be invaded, met the same fate. Utbi concludes:

    “The Muslims paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels and worshipers of sun and fire. The friends of Allah searched the bodies of the slain for three days in order to obtain booty…The booty amounted in gold and silver, rubies and pearls nearly to three hundred thousand dirhams, and the number of prisoners may be conceived from the fact that each was sold for two to ten dirhams. These were afterwards taken to Ghazni and merchants came from distant cities to purchase them, so that the countries of Mawaraun-Nahr, Iraq and Khurasan were filled with them, and the fair and the dark, the rich and the poor, were commingled in one common slavery.”

    Mahmud’s sack of Somnath is too well-known to be retold here. What needs emphasizing is that the fragments of the famous Sivalinga were carried to Ghazni. Some of them were turned into steps of the Jama Masjid in that city. The rest were sent to Mecca, Medina, and Baghdad to be desecrated in the same manner.

    Mahmud’s son Masud tried to follow in the footsteps of his father. In 1037 AD he succeeded in sacking the fort of Hansi which was defended very bravely by the Hindus. The Tarikh-us-Subuktigin records: “The Brahmins and other high ranking men were slain, and their women and children were carried away captive, and all the treasure which was found was distributed among the army.”

    Masud could not repeat the performance due to his preoccupations elsewhere.

    MUHAMMAD GHORI AND HIS LEUTENANTS

    Invasion of India by Islamic imperialism was renewed by Muhmmad Ghori in the last quarter of the 12th century. After Prithiviraj Chauhan had been defeated in 1192 AD, Ghori took Ajmer by assault.

    According the Taj-ul-Ma’sir of Hasan Nizami, “While the Sultan remained at Ajmer, he destroyed the pillars and foundations of the idol temples and built in their stead mosques and colleges and precepts of Islam, and the customs of the law were divulged and established.”

    Next year he defeated Jayachandra of Kanauj. A general massacre, rapine, and pillage followed. The Gahadvad treasuries at Asni and Varanasi were plundered. Hasan Nizami rejoices that “in Benares which is the centre of the country of Hind, they destroyed one thousand temples and raised mosques on their foundations”.

    According to Kamil-ut-Tawarikh of Ibn Asir, “The slaughter of Hindus (at Varanasi) was immense; none were spared except women and children, and the carnage of men went on until the earth was weary.”

    The women and children were spared so that they could be enslaved and sold all over the Islamic world. It may be added that the Buddhist complex at Sarnath was sacked at this time, and the Bhikshus were slaughtered.

    Ghori’s lieutenant Qutbuddin Aibak was also busy meanwhile. Hasan Nizami writes that after the suppression of a Hindu revolt at Kol (modern day Aligarh) in 1193 AD, Aibak raised “three bastions as high as heaven with their heads, and their carcases became food for beasts of prey. The tract was freed from idols and idol worship and the foundations of infidelism were destroyed.”

    In 1194 AD Aibak destroyed 27 Hindu temples at Delhi and built the Quwwat-ul-lslam mosque with their debris. According to Nizami, Aibak “adorned it with the stones and gold obtained from the temples which had been demolished by elephants”.

    In 1195 AD the Mher tribe of Ajmer rose in revolt, and the Chaulukyas of Gujarat came to their assistance. Aibak had to invite reinforcements from Ghazni before he could meet the challenge. In 1196 AD he advanced against Anahilwar Patan, the capital of Gujarat. Nizami writes that after Raja Karan was defeated and forced to flee, “fifty thousand infidels were dispatched to hell by the sword” and “more than twenty thousand slaves, and cattle beyond all calculation fell into the hands of the victors”.

    The city was sacked, its temples demolished, and its palaces plundered. On his return to Ajmer, Aibak destroyed the Sanskrit College of Visaladeva, and laid the foundations of a mosque which came to be known as ‘Adhai Din ka Jhompada’.

    Conquest of Kalinjar in 1202 AD was Aibak’s crowning achievement. Nizami concludes: “The temples were converted into mosques… Fifty thousand men came under the collar of slavery and the plain became black as pitch with Hindus.”

    A free-lance adventurer, Muhammad Bakhtyar Khalji, was moving further east. In 1200 AD he sacked the undefended university town of Odantpuri in Bihar and massacred the Buddhist monks in the monasteries. In 1202 AD he took Nadiya by surprise. Badauni records in his Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh that “property and booty beyond computation fell into the hands of the Muslims and Muhammad Bakhtyar having destroyed the places of worship and idol temples of the infidels founded mosques and Khanqahs”.

    THE SLAVE (MAMLUK) SULTANS

    Shamsuddin Iltutmish who succeeded Aibak at Delhi invaded Malwa in 1234 AD. He destroyed an ancient temple at Vidisha. Badauni reports in his ‘Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh':

    “Having destroyed the idol temple of Ujjain which had been built six hundred years previously, and was called Mahakal, he levelled it to its foundations, and threw down the image of Rai Vikramajit from whom the Hindus reckon their era, and brought certain images of cast molten brass and placed them on the ground in front of the doors of mosques of old Delhi, and ordered the people of trample them under foot.”

    Muslim power in India suffered a serious setback after Iltutmish. Balkan had to battle against a revival of Hindu power. The Katehar Rajputs of what came to be known as Rohilkhand in later history, had so far refused to submit to Islamic imperialism. Balkan led an expedition across the Ganges in 1254 AD. According to Badauni,

    “In two days after leaving Delhi, he arrived in the midst of the territory of Katihar and put to death every male, even those of eight years of age, and bound the women.”

    But in spite of such wanton cruelty, Muslim power continued to decline till the Khaljis revived it after 1290 AD.

    THE KHALJIS

    Jalaluddin Khalji led an expedition to Ranthambhor in 1291 AD. On the way he destroyed Hindu temples at Chain. The broken idols were sent to Delhi to be spread before the gates of the Jama Masjid. His nephew Alauddin led an expedition to Vidisha in 1292 AD. According to Badauni in Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh, Alauddin “brought much booty to the Sultan and the idol which was the object of worship of the Hindus, he caused to be cast in front of the Badaun gate to be trampled upon by the people. The services of Alauddin were highly appreciated, the jagir of Oudh (or Avadh – Central U.P.) also was added to his other estates.”

    Alauddin became Sultan in 1296 AD after murdering his uncle and father-in-law, Jalaluddin. In 1298 AD he equipped an expedition to Gujarat under his generals Ulugh Khan and Nusrat Khan. The invaders plundered the ports of Surat and Cambay. The temple of Somnath, which had been rebuilt by the Hindus, was plundered and the idol taken to Delhi for being trodden upon by the Muslims. The whole region was subjected to fire and sword, and Hindus were slaughtered en masse. Kampala Devi, the queen of Gujarat, was captured along with the royal treasury, brought to Delhi and forced into Alauddin’s harem. The doings of the Malik Naib during his expedition to South India in 1310-1311 AD have already mentioned in earlier parts.

    THE TUGHLAQS

    Muslim power again suffered a setback after the death of Alauddin Khalji in 1316 AD. But it was soon revived by the Tughlaqs. By now most of the famous temples over the length and breadth of the Islamic occupation in India had been demolished, except in Orissa and Rajasthan which had retained their independence. By now most of the rich treasuries had been plundered and shared between the Islamic state and its swordsmen. Firuz Shah Tughlaq led an expedition to Orissa in 1360 AD. He destroyed the temple of Jagannath at Puri, and desecrated many other Hindu shrines. According to ‘Sirat-i-Firoz Shahi’ which he himself wrote or dictated,

    “Allah who is the only true God and has no other emanation, endowed the king of Islam with the strength to destroy this ancient shrine on the eastern sea-coast and to plunge it into the sea, and after its destruction he ordered the image of Jagannath to be perforated, and disgraced it by casting it down on the ground. They dug out other idols which were worshipped by the polytheists in the kingdom of Jajnagar and overthrew them as they did the image of Jagannath, for being laid in front of the mosques along the path of the Sunnis and the way of the ‘musallis’ (Muslim congregation for namaz) and stretched them in front of the portals of every mosque, so that the body and sides of the images might be trampled at the time of ascent and descent, entrance and exit, by the shoes on the feet of the Muslims.”

    After the sack of the temples in Orissa, Firoz Shah Tughlaq attacked an island on the sea-coast where “nearly 100,000 men of Jajnagar had taken refuge with their women, children, kinsmen and relations”. The swordsmen of Islam turned “the island into a basin of blood by the massacre of the unbelievers”.

    A worse fate overtook the Hindu women. Sirat-i-Firuz Shahs records: “Women with babies and pregnant ladies were haltered, manacled, fettered and enchained, and pressed as slaves into service in the house of every soldier.”

    Still more horrible scenes were enacted by Firuz Shah Tughlaq at Nagarkot (Kangra) where he sacked the shrine of Jvalamukhi. Firishta records that the Sultan “broke the idols of Jvalamukhi, mixed their fragments with the flesh of cows and hung them in nose bags round the necks of Brahmins. He sent the principal idol as trophy to Medina.”

    THE PROVINCIAL MUSLIM SATRAPS

    In 1931 AD the Muslims of Gujarat complained to Nasiruddin Muhammad, the Tughlaq Sultan of Delhi, that the local governor, Kurhat-ul-Mulk, was practising tolerance towards the Hindus. The Sultan immediately appointed Muzzaffar Khan as the new Governor. He became independent after the death of the Delhi Sultan and assumed the title of Muzzaffar Shah in 1392 AD. Next year he led an expidition to Somnath and sacked the temple which the Hindus had built once again. He killed many Hindus to chastise them for this “impudence,” and raised a mosque on the site of the ancient temple. The Hindus, however, restarted restoring the temple soon after. In 1401 AD Muzaffar came back with a huge army. He again killed many Hindus, demolished the temple once more, and erected another mosque.

    Muzaffar was succeeded by his grandson, Ahmad Shah, in 1411 AD. Three years later Ahmad appointed a special darogah to destroy all temples throughout Gujarat. In 1415 AD Ahmad invaded Sidhpur where he destroyed the images in Rudramahalaya, and converted the grand temple into a mosque. Sidhpur was renamed Sayyadpur.

    Mahmud Begrha who became the Sultan of Gujarat in 1458 AD was the worst fanatic of this dynasty. One of his vassals was the Mandalika of Junagadh who had never withheld the regular tribute. Yet in 1469 AD Mahmud invaded Junagadh. In reply to the Mandalika’s protests, Mahmud said that he was not interested in money as much as in the spread of Islam. The Mandalika was forcibly converted to Islam and Junagadh was renamed Mustafabad. In 1472 AD Mahmud attacked Dwarka, destroyed the local temples, and plundered the city. Raja Jaya Singh, the ruler of Champaner, and his minister were murdered by Mahmud in cold blood for refusing to embrace Islam after they had been defeated and their country pillaged and plundered. Champaner was renamed Mahmudabad.

    Mahmud Khalji of Malwa (1436-69 AD) also destroyed Hindu temples and built mosques on their sites. He heaped many more insults on the Hindus. Ilyas Shah of Bengal (1339-1379 AD) invaded Nepal and destroyed the temple of Svayambhunath at Kathmandu. He also invaded Orissa, demolished many temples, and plundered many places. The Bahmani sultans of Gulbarga and Bidar considered it meritorious to kill a hundred thousand Hindu men, women, and children every year. They demolished and desecrated temples all over South India.

    AMlR TIMUR

    The climax came during the invasion of Timur in 1399 AD. He starts by quoting the Quran in his Tuzk-i-Timuri: “O Prophet, make war upon the infidels and unbelievers, and treat them severely.”

    He continues: “My great object in invading Hindustan had been to wage a religious war against the infidel Hindus…[so that] the army of Islam might gain something by plundering the wealth and valuables of the Hindus.” To start with he stormed the fort of Kator on the border of Kashmir. He ordered his soldiers “to kill all the men, to make prisoners of women and children, and to plunder and lay waste all their property”. Next, he “directed towers to be built on the mountain of the skulls of those obstinate unbelievers”. Soon after, he laid siege to Bhatnir defended by Rajputs. They surrendered after some fight, and were pardoned. But Islam did not bind Timur to keep his word given to the “unbelievers”. His Tuzk-i-Timuri records:

    “In a short space of time all the people in the fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers. They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground.”

    At Sarsuti, the next city to be sacked, “all these infidel Hindus were slain, their wives and children were made prisoners and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors”. Timur was now moving through (modern day) Haryana, the land of the Jats. He directed his soldiers to “plunder and destroy and kill every one whom they met”. And so the soldiers “plundered every village, killed the men, and carried a number of Hindu prisoners, both male and female”.

    Loni which was captured before he arrived at Delhi was predominantly a Hindu town. But some Muslim inhabitants were also taken prisoners. Timur ordered that “the Musulman prisoners should be separated and saved, but the infidels should all be dispatched to hell with the proselytizing sword”.

    By now Timur had captured 100,000 Hindus. As he prepared for battle against the Tughlaq army after crossing the Yamuna, his Amirs advised him “that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolators and enemies of Islam at liberty”. Therefore, “no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword”.

    Tuzk-i-Timuri continues:

    “I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. One hundred thousand infidels, impious idolators, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasiruddin Umar, a counselor and man of learning, who, in all his life, had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives.”

    The Tughlaq army was defeated in the battle that ensued next day. Timur entered Delhi and learnt that a “great number of Hindus with their wives and children, and goods and valuables, had come into the city from all the country round”.

    He directed his soldiers to seize these Hindus and their property. Tuzk-i-Timuri concludes:

    “Many of them (Hindus) drew their swords and resisted…The flames of strife were thus lighted and spread through the whole city from Jahanpanah and Siri to Old Delhi, burning up all it reached. The Hindus set fire to their houses with their own hands, burned their wives and children in them and rushed into the fight and were killed…On that day, Thursday, and all the night of Friday, nearly 15,000 Turks were engaged in slaying, plundering and destroying. When morning broke on Friday, all my army …went off to the city and thought of nothing but killing, plundering and making prisoners….The following day, Saturday the 17th, all passed in the same way, and the spoil was so great.that each man secured from fifty to a hundred prisoners, men, women, and children. There was no man who took less than twenty. The other booty was immense in rubies, diamonds, garnets, pearls, and other gems and jewels; ashrafis, tankas of gold and silver of the celebrated Alai coinage: vessels of gold and silver; and brocades and silks of great value. Gold and silver ornaments of Hindu women were obtained in such quantities as to exceed all account. Excepting the quarter of the Saiyids, the Ulama and the other Musulmans, the whole city was sacked.”

    Contributed by Rajiv Varma

  41. says

    Babur was an invader and an imperialist. It is unfortunate that so-called secular forces known as Marxists are always siding with the invaders and imperialists. His tribe committed innumerable atrocities on the people of this country. Whatever be the judgement of the court tomorrow, we shouls all maintain peace. The higher court is open to all.
    A.L.Rawal

  42. feroz says

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  43. abhijeet4288 says

    Mughalistan (or Mughalstan) is the name of an independent homeland proposed for the Muslims of India. This Mughal-Muslim state in the Indian subcontinent will include all of North India and Eastern India, and will be formed by merging Pakistan and Bangladesh through a large corridor of land running across the Indo-Gangetic plain, the heartland of India. This Mughalistan corridor will comprise Muslim-majority areas of Northern India and eastern India that will be partitioned for the second time in history.
    The comprehensive plan for a second partition of India was first developed by the Mughalstan Research Institute (MRI) of Jahangir Nagar University (Bangladesh) under the patronage of the two intelligence agencies, Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and Bangladesh’s Director General of Forces Intelligence, DGFI. The “Mughalistan Reaserch Institute of Bangladesh” has released a map where a Muslim corridor named “Mughalistan” connects Pakistan and Bangladesh via India.
    The Pakistani Punjabi-dominated ISI’s influence on MRI is evident even in the Punjabi-centric pronunciation of the word ‘Mughalstan’ (without the “i”), instead of the typical Urdu pronunciation (Mughalistan). Islamic Jihadis in India have been well-armed and well-funded by the neighbouring Islamic regimes, as part of Operation Topac – the late Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq’s grandiose plot to balkanize India.

    Not surprisingly, Osama Bin Laden has thrown his support behind the concept and creation of this Greater Pakistan to “liberate” the Muslims of India from the Hindus. The Mumbai underworld (led by Karachi-based don Dawood Ibrahim who executed the gruesome 1993 Mumbai bombings), Jamaat-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen have declared their unified support for creating this undivided Islamic nation in the Indian subcontinent. The Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Indian Mujahideen are working in tandem with the aforementioned organizations to waged Jihad against the Hindus of India.

    It is important to note that in its “holy war” against India, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has openly declared Hindus to be the “enemies of Islam” who should all be converted or killed. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba group has repeatedly claimed through its journals and websites that its main aim is to destroy the Indian republic and to annihilate Hinduism. Jaish-e-Mohammed has vowed to “liberate” not just Kashmir, but also to hoist the Islamic flag atop the historic Red Fort after capturing New Delhi and the rest of India.

    SIMI has championed the “liberation of India through Islam” and aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat (Islamic Caliphate), emphasis on the Muslim Ummah (Islamic) and the waging of Jihad on the Indian state, secularism, democracy and nationalism – the basic keystones of the Indian Constitution – as these concepts are antithetical to Islam. The Indian Mujahideen have sent several emails claiming responsibility for several bombings in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad (in Uttar Pradesh), Bangalore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and New Delhi in 2007 and 2008. The emails refer to notorious Islamic conquerors of India (Mohammed bin Qasim, Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmud Ghaznawi) as their role-models, refer to Hindu blood as “blood to be the cheapest of all mankind” and taunt Hindus that their “[Hindu] history is full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult [at the hands of Islamic conquerors]“.

    The Indian Mujahideen’s emails warn the Hindus to “Accept Islam and save yourselves” and or else face a horrible fate: – “Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our [Muslim] hands?”

  44. says

    TRANSFORMATION OF THE SPIRITUALITY OF SRI RAM INTO RELEGIOUS EPIC OF HOLY RAMAYAN
    Great lives spread an aura and fragrance which outlive their mortal sojourn on earth. If one makes a closer study of what distinguishes these men and keeps them apart from the rest, two qualities stand out. The first is their concern for the good of others. The second is a constant striving for perfection and excellence with purity in personal and public life. Honour, dignity, friendship and compassion are the traits of such worthy men. They know intuitively that nothing worthwhile or enduring is ever achieved without character and that, in the ultimate analysis, all worldly possessions and achievements like authority, wealth and status are mere wayside stops in the exciting journey of exploration of the mortal dimensions of the human personality. Perception of impulse to stimulate the message conveyed through holy Epic of Ramayana, I remained stands still to get the meaning hidden between the lines. The realization of the truth started entering into my mind by diplection of the different character of the people living at the contemporary period of Sat-Yug. There were the jealousy in the mind of step mother Kaikei which given effect into the action by Mainthara and ultimately the king Dashrath, who has pledged to accomplish two desires of his youngest queen by the impulse of the emotion. He was compelled to denounce the thrown to his dear worthy son Shri Ram and the other vicious design uttered in the shape of boon to spare him from making his descendent heir for kingdom but to send him to the exile. The character of Shri Ram is not in the hatred, but to follow the great tradition i.e. “let my Life be Sacrificed, but there may not be unequivocal repudiation from promise”. It was not only attributable for himself, but the desire of his father and step mother for giving effect to the said promise to be carried out by accepting the offer of exile for himself. The duty of the spouse in order to accomplish the tradition of remaining shared during the good days and also to follow the bad days in services of her husband also with the equal enthusiasm. The dedication of the brother Laxman to follow his brother during the period of the adversity and to protect his sister-in-law during the absence of Shri Ram and to sleep on the earthly bed is the first and foremost lesson conveyed through the holy epic of Ramayana. The second lesson required to be learn by the different segmentation of the society comprising of the layman in the contact of the ruler from the public at large and reaction thereafter. The diplomatic conversation of Nishad Khewat with Shri Ram by not allowing him to enter in his boat till washing of his feet under the garb of alleged fear psychosis of saving his boat from being converted into the human beings conveys the message of sentimental affiliation and association by the almighty power, which is not only omnipresent, but also omniscient. Thereafter, eating the berries already tested by the women namely Shabri, lowest community of a Dhanuk (Passi), having the piggery business but instead of showing any dejection from accepting such berry, the character of Shri Ram is displayed in eating them. The most crucial part of lesson in the epic of Ramayana, when Mother Sita was abducted by Ravan and she was crying for help from all such living creatures including birds and animals, but no one listen, as the abductor was none else than Ravan. It was a Jatayun, a vulture, eating the flesh of dead animals, who dared to challenge the most powerful ruler on earth fully knowing that he will not survive, but none else came to save Mother Sita, or even to make efforts to save her except a vulture.It is true that Shri Ram killed Bali from behind the trees but when Bali asked him, as to why Shri Ram preferred to have the friendship with his weaker brother Sugreev, who could not protect his wife from Bali aggression, instead of having the friendship from the stronger person namely the Bali who kept Ravana inside the Soldier pit below his arm for six months, the reply of Shri Ram in support of the righteous person, irrespective of his status is the second lesson conveyed in Ramayana. When the fighting could not be avoided, then instead of calling the army from Ajodhya, why Shri Ram preferred the Army comprising of the monkey, bear and even the squirrel who built the Ram Shetu to reach the golden kingdom of Ravan. Ravan was himself Brahmin by caste but on account of his conduct of consuming liquor and having the carnal desired of greed and lust, the entire quality of his worship to lord Shiva was converted into the sin committed on this earth. Thus the army of the petty animals or that of lowest segmentation of the society was having the potential to defeat him. Thus the third lesson conveyed in Ramayana is that it is not material as to which caste an individual is born, but the quality of the life and the perception of its ideology is supreme. The Fifth lesson conveyed through epic Ramayana, as to why the golden Lanka was given back to the brother Bhibhisan of Ravan, instead of having the expansion of his kingdom and to return back to his native place after completion of the period of exile of fourteen years. The Sixth lesson is having the mixed reaction, one conveys the greatness of Shri Ram while from another point of view people criticizes to Shri Ram for denouncing mother Sita ji on the instigation of the washer man but as the ruler of Ajodhya, the comfort of the king were immaterial instead of his reputation to maintain the high tradition of the kingdom. Thus ultimately the conclusion conveyed through the holy epic of Ramayana is that of the attachment with the spirit of detachment and victory over the vices, while association with lowest segmentation of society for expansion of kingdom, which the society at present, especially the so called Brahmins and swami ji in the luxurious ashrams, posing themselves to be the protector of our Vedic Hindu Religion have totally forgotten or they have given up these high traditions, only for gaining more power, more money, more comfort and ultimately started ruining the Hindu Tradition of sacrifices.

  45. Binay says

    This article should be forwarded to the bench of 3-judges of Lucknow HC.
    So that our mother-land will get its old glory back.

  46. Srikant says

    What a nice article. What you wrote is absolutely great & we have to think about.
    I salute you for this article to be published that every indian should realize the fact.
    BYE

  47. ShahbazullahKhan says

    As Salam alikum To All My Friends

    Please Read

    BABER MASJID-REAL STORY
    1949 On December 23rd, Muslims finished their night prayer and left to their home. A shock was waiting for them, who came for fajr prayer. Inside the Mosque a mob kept Rama, Laxamana, Sita statues and claimed that their God took avatar (appeared) inside the mosque and they started agitating against innocent Muslims.

    An FIR was filed at faizabad police station. Afterwards central and state government banned Muslims to conduct prayer inside the mosque and this became one of the important issue in Indian history.

    Then Innocent Hindu’s mind were brain-washed with hatred feeling against Muslims by spreading a false propaganda that “Babri Majid was built by demolishing Ram Temple”

    If the propaganda of Saffron Group ” Babri majid was built after demolishing Ram Temple” is true then no Muslims will fight for this issue. Because in Islam, demolishing other religious Temple is strictly prohibited. Due to their false claim about Ram Temple, Muslims are fighting to get back their mosque.

    We don’t want to divert the subject by exposing the comment of Chatterji, AK majumdhar, Nehru that RAM is an imaginary character.

    Because the subject is to discuss by doing research whether any Ram temple exists in the disputed location ? Whether Majid was built in that location by demolishing Ram temple? Not about the existence of Ram or whether it is imaginary character or not!!!

    Even Ram is an imaginary character; no Muslims will accept the demolition of Ram temple and build a mosque in that location.

    Was Ram born at Ayodhya ?

    We’ll see how the claim of Ram born in that disputed location will be true.
    Whatever the decision Hindus want to take, it should not be fundamentally taken from the comment of RSS or any other saffron organization. It should be taken from Hindus Vedas and Purunas. In fact, it would be opposite to Hindu ideology, if some decision taken apart from this jurisdiction of Vedas.

    Valmiki wrote first about Ram and his words explained everything about Ram in crystal clear format. Valmiki explained in his Ramayana that he born at DHIREDHA Yuga.
    A basic measurement unit of time, to denote the Hindu’s belief of time is Yuga. There are four Yugas.

    Kirudha yuga 17,28,000 ( 17 lakhs, 28 thousands ) years
    Dhiredha Yuga 12,96,000 ( 12 lakhs, 96 thousand) years
    Duvaba Yuga 8,64,000 ( 8 lakhs, 64 thousand ) years
    Kali Yuga 4,32,000 ( 4 lakhs, 32 thousand ) years

    Now we are living in the time of Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga starts before 3102 years of Christ. Now 2009 finished after Christ. So 5110 years finished after kali yuga starts.

    Duvaba yuga was before Kali Yuga and Ram didn’t born during this time. Before this was Dhiredha Yuga and even Ram born during last stage of this Yuga and according to Valmiki Ramayana’s Judgment ” Ram should have born before 8,69,110 years ( 8,64,000 + 5110 )

    Like Valmiki Ramayana told about Ram’s Yuga, he specified the birth place too that is “He born at Ayodhya city ”
    That means ” Ayodhya” should exists before 8 Lakhs, 64 thousand years. A report was submitted on 1976, 77 by central government archeological department regarding ” when Ayodhya appeared?”. This report in its 52, 53 page explained that “A place name called Ayodhya in which people started dwelling was before 700 BC.
    That means, before 2708 years, there would be no Ayodhya according to their archeological research.

    Afterwards this was re-researched by C.P.Lal and K.N Theetjit , a notable historian. They also found that it was true whatever the archeological department found.

    Valmiki told that Ram born before 8 lakhs 69 thousand years at Ayodhya, but it is crystal clear that there was nothing called Ayodhya at that time.

    How Hindus can conclude by neglecting Ramayana and archeological finding?

    The age of this Ayodhya is 2708 years. But this is not the one explained by Ramayana. May be it is in different place. It is general to find many places in the same name. By considering these facts, they have to come for conclusion, which will not contradict with Ramayana and research facts.
    There is lot of testimonials in Ramayana that Ram born at Ayodhya which is different from the existing one.
    While speaking about Ayodhya, Ramayana spoke about Sarayu River. Sarayu River exists 1.5 yojan distances from Ayodhya. (1.5 yojan means 23 kilometers )

    Even though there’s one river called Sarayu at Ayodhya, it’s running inside the city, not 23 kilometers away from the city.

    That means, Ayodhya and Sarayu River told by Ramayana is not the existing one. Ramayana teachings will be correct when you believe Sarayu River flows 23 kilometers away from Ayodhya.

    People are simply neglecting Hinduism, if they consider existing Ayodhya is same like Ayodhya explained in Ramayana.
    Also Valmiki Ramayana explains that “ Sarayu River join with Ganga”. But this Sarayu River mingles with Raabthi River. What we learnt from this? Ramayana doesn’t denote this Ayodhya and Sarayu river. Also Valmiki Ramaya explains Sarayu river flows from east to west. But Sarayu river in UP flow from west to east.

    A researcher, Saer Singh Identified a truth. There is one Ayodhya at Nepal. 20 kilometers away from that city one river is flowing from east to west. Also it mingles with Ganga.
    So, those who believe Ram born at Ayodhya, which is at Uttarpradesh, are neglecting Ramayana and its ideology.

    Real Ayodhya should be one, which was explained by the Ramayana with all testimonials.

    was Ram temple existed at Ayodhya ?
    Babar Majid was build at 1528. We’ll see whether any truth present with the opinion of ” Mir Baahi” a minister of Baber, who was accused for demolishing Ram Temple in the disputed location”
    RSS claimed that Ram temple was built by king Vikramathithya. Vikramathidya is general name like Chola,Pandya kings. Chandra Gupta, samutra Gupta kings are called in the name of Vikramathidya.
    They contradict in specifying the actual king who really built the Ram temple. There is not fact in their claim.
    Gupta kings ruled some part of U.P during the period 300 AD to 1100 AD. These kings who ruled for 800 years are called as Vikramathidya.
    During the period 300 AD to 1100 AD, there was not even a smell of human at Ayodhya, according to the chief of Indian Archeological department.
    P.P Lal who submitted research report and was published at famous magazines” The Week” (25.02.1990) and “Sunday Times” (20.11.1987 ). In that report, after showing several evidences, he was confidently explained that, at Ayodhya during that period of 300 – 1100 AD, there was no human, building, temple or anything.
    In some place, which is untouched by human, how can they build a temple? How Baber can demolish a temple which was not existed? I request Hindu Brothers and sisters to think about this.

    When Ram was worshipped as God?
    If temple to be built for Ram, it should be built after Ram was worshipped as God. Now Hindus are worshiping Ram as God, but they didn’t do it before. Ram was not considered as God, Especially during the period of 300-1100 AD, which was claimed by RSS, the time when Ram temple was built.
    Amar Simha of AD 600, released many Sanskrit Poetry resources in the name of ” Amara Kosa”. In that, those who are worshipped as God in India were specified. Ram name was not in the list. So Hindus during that period were not considering Ram as GOD’s Avatar and its considered as big testimonial.
    A Sadhu called Lakhsmidhar, collected the information of all sacred place up to 11th century (until last time of Gupta Dynasty). Ayodhya Ram temple is not existed in that.
    If Ram temple was build during Gupta period, why it was not included in the list of sacred place?
    Same like that, S.S.Iyer , a notable research scholar, published book called ” Indian Temples, Historic notes”. He didn’t specify anything about Ram temple. He noted five temples which was built by Vikramathidya. Ayodhya Ram temple is not there.
    At 1989 November 12, IAS officer Ramachandra Kadri wrote one article at “Radiance”. He referred so many evidences with Encyclopedia like Britannica and comment that only after 1100 AD, Ram was worshipped as God.
    That means, until the last period of Gupta kings, Ram was not worshipped as God. Can any Hindu who has real conscience, believe that Ram temple was build during the Gupta period?
    If we want to tell more clearly, Valmiki wrote Ramayana in Sanskrit. Sanskrit was not popularly spoken by all people and only Brahmins knew about that. Because of this Ram was not considered as God.
    Valmiki Ramayana was translated and released in Hindi by Tulsi Das. After that, Ramayana was very famous among people. After Tulsi Das translated Ramayana in Hindi, people start considering Ram as God’s Avatar.
    What’s the time of Tulsi Das ? Tulsi Das Lived during the period of Baber (in Ayodhya ), which was claimed for demolition of Ram temple. Baber ruled during 1500 AD and Tulsi was living under that rule.
    Ramayana was translated in Hindi during the rule of Baber and that time Ram was not considered as God. So it becomes true that Hindu people didn’t have any knowledge about him.
    How Ram was worshiped as GOD when Ramayana was not spread across people? How temple was build for him? Dear Hindu Brothers and sisters, think about this.
    India’s first president was Dr. Radha Krishnan. His son Gopal who was good Hindu devotee and very good research scholar too. In his research article, he proclaimed that “There was no temple for Ram before 1750 AD, in any part of India. He confidently declared that “All Ram temple belongs to 18th century”.
    if Ram temple was not existed before 200 years, how Baber demolish Ram temple at Disputed location of Ayodhya. I request every citizen, to think about this.
    The truth is, the foundation of Babri Majid was laid by Ibrahim Lodi, on 1524. He was unable to continue the service for long time and he was killed in war by Baber. Then, Baber build a Majid, with the foundation laid by Ibrahim Lodi. So it is untrue to tell that Baber demolished the temple.

    Will Baber Demolish temple ?
    So far, the evidences provided here is enough for everyone, who can really able to distinguish between good and bad. For debate purpose, even though if any temple was there in the disputed location, Baber would not demolish that.
    Because, in same Ayothya, for five temples like Hunumangiri ,Jenmasthan, Baber provided incentives by writing in brass . This been safeguarded still now by temple management and was reiterated with evidences by Ramrasha Thiribathi.
    How a person will demolish a temple, who provided incentives to many temples?
    Also the population of Muslims during Baber reign would be meager when compared with present population. Sovereignty of the kingdom will be maintained only by the support of majority Hindus. Baber would be thrown-out from his throne, by agitators of Hindu Majority, if their temple was demolished. No king will be involved in such activities, if he really wants to retain his power.
    Hindus during that time were not involved in any riots or agitation, but only welcomed all Mughal heirs like Babar, his son Humayun, his son Akbar. This shows the courtesy and kindness were showered by Mughal emperors towards Hindu majority.
    During the last time of Baber, he wrote one WILL to his son Humayun written in Persian language and it is been preserved still today at Central government’s National museum at Delhi. In that he gave advise as “Dear son, you are going to rule a country where Hindus are in majority. They are respecting COW as God. So don’t eat Cow’s meat (Beef) at any instance.
    How a Good Citizen can believe that Baber demolished a temple, who advised his son to renounce the eating habit of Cow’s meat (beef)?
    Guru Nanak who founded Sikh religion was considered as big enemy during Baber’s reign. He rigorously opposed Baber, especially for the issues related with women. If Baber demolished the temple, he would have indicated that with his strong resentment. But history commenting that he went to Ayodhya and enjoyed the beauty of Babri Majid’s Structure.
    Person like him who lived in those years only knew that whether Baber constructed Majid by demolishing temple. In such case, he would never enjoy its building structure.
    Some falsely imagine and claim that people didn’t oppose the rule because of Babar’s tyrant nature.
    Baber was neither hated by Hindu people nor was he was a tyrant king. This is the truth. For debate purpose, if we consider Baber was a tyrant king, it would not be true.
    After Baber, his kingdom was ruled by his son Humayun. After 25 years of Baber’s death, his grandson Akbar ruled the kingdom. He gave up Islam and was following New Religion Din-ilahi, for which he was the founder. Akbar was like a Hindu king and even he got appreciation from many saffron organizations.
    If Baber demolished the temple, it should have been noticed by many people who lived during the period of Akbar too. They don’t need to worry about Akbar and they would have asked to rebuild the temple which was demolished by his grandfather. Surely, Akbar would have satisfied such people, if his grandfather would have demolished such structure. People could have requested, only if temple was demolished!!! But there happened no such incidents.
    We’ll leave that. Even after the Mughals era was ended by Britishers, this issue was not raised by anyone until 1948. There was no case registered too.
    In 200 years rule of British:
    No case was registered during British rule against the demolition of mosque and nobody requested British government to get back their temple.
    Problem suddenly rose to its full vigor only after December 23, 1949, when a mob placed Ram idol inside the mosque.
    In Ayodhya there are more than 30 Temples which manifest about Ram’s birth place. Hindu scholars identified many places as Ram’s birth place and they didn’t include Babri Majid among them.
    This was the reality, until saffron group diverted the attention of Hindus by such false claims.
    Saffron Group discovered that by evoking extreme hatred among Hindus and Muslims, they can capture the opportunity to rule India from Congress. Finally they captured the rule by cheating innocent Hindu citizens who believe that” All the glitters are Gold “.

    Dear Hindu Brothers and Sisters!!!
    We’ll strive to preserve the UNITY.
    We’ll neglect communal forces, which have vested interest in creating extreme friction to the development of our country.
    We’ll work hard for the economic development of our country and for its prosperous future.

    SOURCE: http://www.tntj.net

    -English Translation Shahbazullah Khan


    (¨`·.·´¨) Always
    `·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) Keep
    (¨`·.·´¨)¸.· Smiling!
    `·.¸.·´

    • Arya says

      @Shahbajullah Khan
      Namaste brother,
      Who is talking of Ram temple here? Please read the article, it only talks about Babur and a mosque made in his name! Please provide your valuable views on the facts of the article.

      Thanks

    • Arya says

      @Shajabullah Khan
      Brother, have you ever asked for proof of existence of Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, angels, heaven, hell, seventh heaven, flying donkey of Muhammad, splitting of moon, Jesus without father, two hands of Allah, Satan made up of fire, Adam made up of clay, creation of Eve from Adam’s rib, expulsion of Adam and Eve from everlasting heaven, Qun technology of Allah, judgment day or night, Allah’s throne, Kaba the holy stone sent down from heaven etc etc?????

      Why to ask all the questions to Hindus? Ram and Ayodhya come later, first thing is that why did Arab invaders come to our country? Why were they keen to build mosques in every part of the world? Has any Hindu ruler ever attacked Arabia and tried to build temple there?

      Saying Ramjanmabhumi a disputed land is stupidity of highest class. By your own logic, Hindus are still in majority and if they want, they can destroy each mosque of the country today. But why did they choose Ayodhya only?

    • Arya says

      @Shahbajullah
      And brother, you dont need archeological survey and logic to discard the stories of Adam and Eve, heaven and hell, angels and Satan and flying donkey of Muhammad etc! Just possessing common sense will be enough.

  48. Pramod says

    ROFLMAO! Long time since i had a good laugh. Agniveer please join a mental institution or a museum. What a dumb ass you are man.

  49. Sekhar says

    I just wanted to know if Hindu’s staying in Pakistan & Bangladesh have similar rights or not? Can they go to the court of law and demand as a right to rebuild temples that were destroyed in the respective countries? Even if they can, would they be allowed to live? On the contrary, more than a dozen temples have been destroyed since the Babri Masjid demolition. Now a more then 68 years old Shamsan Ghat temple(where last rites of Hindu, Sikhs & more are performed) is being demolished in Pakistan.

    Now as a hypothetical case lets assume all the above was possible i.e. it was officially possible to raise voice against the demolition of a temple, the big question, would the decision be what its going to be in the Indian court of law? (As we all understand Congress’s vote-bank politics we all know that the Congress Party will ensure that the decision goes in favor of the muslims)

  50. Viewer says

    It was a very interresting, intriging and frghtening article and its comment!!!!

    I cant belive in a society like ours where your basic necessity is a hassle each day…we ponder our brain’s with such baseless issues. A country which was divided by the british to rule conviniently remins unpreturbed to continue the prodigy of hatred for generations to come!!!!

    Well done Indians keep going!!!! I urge you all not to celebrate one day but every passing day a celebration of your hatred. Continue the good work!!!

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Viewer

      Sorry Kid,This site is for mature audiences

      apologies for exposing your tender mind to the REAL problems that the WORLD is facing.

      You should rather visit the donation site of Taliban or Imam Rauf ..Both are Planning to build grand Mosques on the spots that were destroyed by the followers of religion of ‘peace’

      and please educate the majority that opposes sharia, ground zero mosque,burka, Bamian buddha destruction in the USA Aand EUROPE about the BRITISH DIVIDE AND RULE policy !

      hope you got the sarcasm ..if you are an adult by any remote chance

  51. raambaan says

    Hi Guys,

    I’m new to this portal and just visited as there is this verdict on the Ayodhya issue.

    After going through so many many stories of good Vs evil and thought that now in this modern era or Kaliyug the Raakshas who were existing in the ancinet world have long gone but NO. They are still existing and have multiplied as Islamic fundmentalists and hardliners.

    India is facing the problem of terrorism because of CONGRESS who don’t have the guts to hang Afzal or Kasab as it wil hurt their vote bank with muslims as they consider them as their Heroes.

    Muslims ae the only people in India who live in India, eat our food, drink our waters and still betray our land and support PAKISTAN. You can see that when a match is going between India and Pakistan. Pakistan need not train and create a army of terrorist into INDIA as we already have thousands of them here already and just wait for one instruction from accross the bordsr or Dubai.

    Terrorism cannot happen in India with local support and you who support them by creating Fake ID’s, giving shelter, food etc

    we have our own chutya govt in CONGRESS and it’s allies which always tries to supress Hindus just to save their vote bank with muslims.

    Islam just came into existence some 1100 years ago and what were you guys before that either some tribals or barbarians.

    Muslims always believe in violence as means to solve any problems.

    I hope the day is not far when USA and it’s Western allies NUKE Pakistan and your asses are saved just because you live in INDIA. I know you musilms can’t see your motherland being wiped off.

    One more 9/11 kind of an attack in US and PAKISTAN is wiped off from this planet. I think biggest chutya is Gandhi who let these bastards to stay in INDIA after our Independence while PAKISTAN sent a train full of dead bodies as gift to us.

    Another big chutya is Ambedkar who wrote a constitution saying any number of political parties can be created and created some many reservations for different religion and caste.
    And of course our Jawaharlal Nehru and other PM who were fucking or sucking when pakistan was slowing occuping part of Kashmir.

    Have you people thought about why any political party or even CONGRESS for that matter which always says that it is for muslims hasn’t made any muslim a prime minister or chief of any of the armed forces till date (It will never happen)? That is because there is a huge trust deficiet and nobody believes you, even your beloved CONGRESS party. First of all I don’t know whether any muslim is recruited to the armed forces.All they want is vote and nothing else.

    America invaded Iraq and Afganistan and how would you feel if they demolished all the mosques and built churches and start killing natives with bomb blasts.

    Coming to Ravi Kumar who supports building a masjid at the place (one of the above posts) should be a cross breed and has born as a Hindu by mistake. He would feel the pain and anger when he looses his family members to terrorist attacks by these bastards.

    I’m not going to argue about whether RAM existed or not but if there was a Hindu/Jain structure there at that place which was destroyed and mosque or whatever thing was built there then that should be replaced a building of the old faith or may be the govt should take over the land and nothing should be allowed to be built there.

    INDIA can never be a terror free nation and you guys know why I’m saying this.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Rambaan bro

      Please do not blame Indian Muslims ..by any standards they are most peaceful lot.

      while the Muslims of USA,UK,Pakistan,Afghanistan are lining up to join the al-qaidas and Talibans..Indian muslims are trying to find their way into the middle and upper-middle class through education.

      BUT as you observe today , many Saudi funded Dawah centers(Like IRF of Dr. Zakir Naik) are trying to bring the 7th century orthodoxy of Islam back into India in a big way.

      The Government and Mainstream media sucks up such anti-human and bigoted people like Dr. Naik who have on record said that ‘anybody leaving islam should be killed’, ‘if any country becomes a muslim majority than the practice of other faiths should be prohibited’, ‘osama bin laden is great’ …Shekhar gupta does a walk the talk with this humanity hater and Barkha Dutt invites him for a discussion on her show.!!!..such is the pathetic state of affairs

      I am with you as long as you are against Islam (and that too after you have convinced yourself by studying it’s teachings and tenets) BUT i would request you to see the OBVIOUS..Indian muslims are OUR BROTHERS …Islam is what takes them away from us time and again

      I hope you think over my response

      Thanks and regards

      • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

        @IA i totally agree with your stand, Its islam that is foreign, not its indian followers they are our brothers and sister. but the disease Islam should be stopped, through proper enlightenment and education.

  52. says

    hellow….i wnt agree with post bother…but acording u…if u all sexual r shamless heritage shud..b demolished ..pls first u say VHP/RSS to destroy those monument lyk Belur n Halebedu..n more other scultures n which womens r shows..naked “first u see..ur religious den point other”

    • INDIAN says

      u see urs first. No culture nothing. Just giving birth to children like pigs. Even pig is ahamed by comparing u to that.

      • Arya says

        @INDIAN
        Brother, dont use such language. All Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Afganistaan Muslims were Hindus some centuries ago and their blood is same as that of ours. So lets try to bring back home our loving Muslim brothers and sisters who were lost because of the fear of Islamic sword during Muslim invasion in India.

  53. rahim says

    I agree that muslim ruler destroyed so many hindu Architectual momuments when they were in India. I have read a lot of books on that. I feel so sorry that we as a 21st generation did not get a chance to see them. Why has so much drama been created on just one mosque? Not many people pray there. Nobody was paying it that much attention until it was distroyed. Move on dude. Imagine building a temple on Mecca. Can you accept that?

    • Arya says

      @Azad
      Brother, we love our Muslim brothers and sisters very much. We share common ancestors and thus have blood relation till now. However we are against those invaders and Mullahs, who first converted half of our brothers and sisters forcefully and now try to convert the rest. We still wait for the day when our Indian Muslim brothers and sisters will come back to their original home, Vedas.

  54. says

    This article was written to bring peace and harmony between Hindu and Muslims and not create further tensions. Please, this is my request to all Hindus and Muslims to stop attacking each other’s religion and accept that other as they are. Who would gain by arguing over such trivial matters as the sound of Namaaz or the ringing of bells in Temples. One has to take the first step to stop this age long dispute between the Hindus and Muslims that is the result of the goading of the politicians who are following in the footsteps of the Britishers who wanted to break our country apart. We are doing the same thing by throwing out jibes at each other’s religion. A request to all the Hindus and the Muslims- we are all Indians and let u7s stay Indians. Stop this war of religions and live peacefully.

  55. Ashraf Ali says

    Hi Friends
    I just want to ask questions to Agniveer…”what you have written is very good” but only in HINDU FUNDAMENTALIST PARADIGM. Leave all those things because as like you i m also not a historian. Lets talk in the present and you answer the following questions.

    1. Who use the word KALUG that means ” HINDUS can do all SINS ” and there’s no any accountability bcause this is KALUG???

    2. Anyone can see in the news paper ” GANG RAPE ” incidents on average 5/per day. Who’s that??? almost HINDU ( hope u also read the paper daily).

    3. ” CORRUPTION ” a Big issue and it is the greatest hurdle in the ” DEVELOPMENT OF INDIA ” who is corrupt???
    a. Political leaders most of them are HINDUS ( you know very well)
    b. Administration is in the hands of HINDUS ( how much officers are free from this sin?)
    c. Education … who doesn’t know ” RANJIT VERMA ” an education mafia.

    4. Who is patriot???
    a. THE KILLER OF MAHATMA GANDHI … NATHU RAM or THE FOLLOWER OF MAHATMA GANDHI … THE MUSLIM.
    b. Naxalits who kill the CRPF??? most of them are HINDU.
    c. RSS VHP and the organisation like this always claim MUMBAI is only for them and opress the other INDIANS….all r HINDU and are responsible for so many riots.
    d. NARENDRA MODI KILLER OF AN M.P AND SO MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE IN GUJRAT.

    5. SCAMS IN INDIA
    a. FOODER SCAM LALU PARASAD YADAV
    b. CORPORATE SCAM RAMALINGA RAJU
    c. MUNDHARA SCANDAL T T KRISHNAMACHARI and MUNDHRA
    d. HAWALA SCANDAL L.K ADVANI
    e.TEHELKA EXPOSER GEORGE FERNANDES AND ADMIRAL SHUSHIL
    KUMAR.
    f. MID DAY MEAL SCAM AND SO ON

    THERE ARE SO MANY SCAM IN INDIA WHICH WAS DONE BY HINDUS ” KYUN DESH KO KHANE K PICHE PADE HAI YE LOG???” MAFI HAI IN KO TUM KHUD BATAO SOCH KAR. NA JANE KITNE AISE CRIME HAI JO SIRF AUR SIRF HINDU HI KARTE HAI LEKIN TUM KAHTE HO ” WE ARE WORKING FOR HUMANITY” …. IS THIS THE WAY OF WORKING AND RULING THE INDIA???

    TUM…HINDU…NOT ALL OF U BUT U THE BEAST ON THIS EARTH LIKE U R…

    RAPIST
    KILLER
    CORRUPT
    CRIMINAL
    LIAR

    ITNI BURAI HAI TUM ME AUR KHUD KO ACHCHA SAMJHTE HO. APNE PERCEPTION KO THIK KARLO HUM MUSLMAN TUM KO DOST BANA LENGE….TUM AISA KYUN NAHI KARTE MUSALMAN HI KYUN NAHI HO JATE? TUMHARE SARE PAAP DHUL JAYENGE. ( JAI HIND )

    • Tara Singh says

      Ashraf Ali….Ye siyasi khel kyun khel rahe hain aap. Aapka Pakistan zindabad hai, hume is se koi etraaz nahi, lekin humara Hindustan zindabad tha, zindabad hai zindabad rahega. Hindustan zindabad.

        • says

          Agniveer considers Nityananda to be deserving brutal death punishment for denigrating women and bringing disgrace to pious Sanyas Ashram. Yajurveda 23.19 says that those who exploit women should be hanged upside down and thrashed.

          Admin

    • rahim says

      Yeh Sab to pakistan, Afganistan, Iran, Iraq, US, UK, Australia har jagah ho raha hai.. what are you crying out loud for? you sick..

  56. Dr. Ram Prabhu says

    First of all wat nonsense r u writing????

    How can u write all this crap……?

    Who cares wat barbar wat? u cares who babri was? I jus no there was a mosque there wic was destroyed by fanatics like u….who have been brain washed by BJP n al its sister concerns..

    First of al Wat was BJP before the ayodhya issue? it was jus a small party..

    Then they made a mountain of this issue jus for their vested interest n in turn came into power…..did they build temple once they cam in power???? answer me tat???

    Then they totally changed their policy towards the babri masjid issue….ok…now BJP has gone to the dogs…so once agin they r seizing this opportunity to gain votes…..

    BUT NOW THEY ARE DEALING WITH THE NXT GENERATION OF INDIANS……who jus wan peace among us fellow indians.

    THE ENEMY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE>>>>> ITS NOT HERE.

    we cant blame our indian muslims all the time……they are indians n have every rit here…..jus as u & me.

    Who cares about barbar…..and babri……The mosque was built for prophet mohammad….not for babri…

    WAT GIVES RSS/ VHP THE RIGHT TO DESTROY IT?
    WAT ARE U TRYIN TO JUSTIFY HERE……..tat rss was rit…

    DEFINITELY WRONG…..those fools who destroyed

    e temple were brain washed by the BJP and RSS.

    TELL ME WHO GAINED FROM ALL THIS????
    1) matachod politicians who came to power jus to swindle our money in name of army coffins, fodder or games.
    2) Benchod pakistani on the other side who send RANDAVAS lik kasab here to kill us here
    3) or impotent ministers in kashmir who cant handle the problem

    IF WE FIGHT AMONG OURSELVES THESE MATACHOD PAKISTANI R WAITG TO TAKE ADVANCE

    Lets have peace

    MY NAME IS RAM,…..

    IM A BRAHMIN…..I want peace….

    build a temple, mosque, church, gurdwara there……..but most imp….lets have somtg for aam janta like us….build a hospital along side…

    JAI HIND

  57. says

    I agree with Dr. Ram Prabhu…. this is the doing of politicians and we are all fools that we get brainwashed by them. Cursing each other and each others religions will not help anyone… and yes fight against the PAKISTAN terrorists if you want to fight… not with your own countrymen

    • Arya says

      @Dr Ram Prabhu and Secular Shraddha
      First of all whoever you are, one thing you both should keep in mind. Abusing anyone in such a manner that it denigrates women is unacceptable here on Agniveer. If you seriously want our response on this issue, first apologize for your filthy words towards motherhood. You call yourself a Brahmin but from your words, you dont look even human. First learn the manners and give respect to mothers and sisters. Masjid-Mandir issue is far off from your dirty mind.
      @Secular Shraddha
      Probably you are a woman. Instead of condemning this fool Ram Prabhu, you praise him. Shame on you too. First show us by apologizing for your comment that your views are worth reading.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      seems like the gutter language of Dr. Ram Prabhu worked wonders on you

      Idiots like you were blaming inspector Sharma who died while fighting with the Indian Mujahideen at Batla house…thousands of idiots like you were blaming the delhi police for that encounter..many pseudo secular ministers went to batla house to offer their condolences ..the idiot amar singh made a filthy remark against the slain officer who died protecting US !

      and people like you keep barking until the very idiots that you were defending again try to use violence to thwart your common wealth games on the death anniversary of it’s violent ‘martyrs’..

      and the pathetic givernment tried to downplay this incident by misleading the citizenry that it was not an IM attack ..later they had to eat their words!

      shameless psedo sickularists..India is a target of terrorists because of pests like you

      and don’t worry about the politicians in power

      1) Building a temple in Mecca is a strict no no ..but preserving an invaders mosque in india is secularism
      2) Supporting the ram janma bhooni is communal BUT opposing the ban on burqa in a western country is not!
      3) If you are indeed indian why don;t you support uniform civil code ? ..why a women becomes 1/4th of a harem LEGALLY in SECULAR India ?

      having said that..i also believe that fighting over stone and rubble is not sane at all …it should be done under the purview of interfaith dialogues and sensitization of the uselessness in defending a person like babur who was undoubtedly a slayer of infidels (brahmins like dr. ram prabhu) and destroyer of their temples

      the article presents an alternate viewpoint ..you have every right to oppose it..but avoid filthy language on this site ..it’s meant for mature audiences

      • Dr. Ram Prabhu says

        my language may be filthy but its suits the pakis rit…..and all those who are enemies of our country.

        @ arya: im not defending barbar….i am supportg god almighty here….i was no that there is one god…..only names r different

        @indian:
        first we sod correct wat we did wrong. we had no rit to destroy their masjid.

        why d hell do u care so much about muslim women….r u their guardian angel? then y do u wan talk about them……first learn about being a righteous human being tat is by showing respect to all religions.
        we sod set an eg for the world to follow…..india is a secular and democratic country…….i dont support terrorism in any kind …..be it external frm pakistan or internal from brainwashed fanatics

        jai hind….jai bharat

        • Indian agnostic says

          look at your self-defeating argument Dr. Ram Prabhu!

          1)It’s you who is communal ..the moment i mention the plight of an indian muslim woman ..you immediately sweep that argument under the carpet becuase you believe her to be MORE muslim than Indian

          tell me ..if i am more secular who thinks that NO Indian women should be thrown away by triple talaq, or NO INDIAN women should be made an object of harems ..OR ..you are more secular who has his argument under his tail as soon as he realizes that the woman in question is muslim ..you so easily discard the plight of the woman!!!

          anyways..if you argue in a decent language i have no objection to your post ..you are entitled to your viewpoint as i am to mine

          regards

  58. says

    @ Arya –

    I did not use any filthy words against anyone. I did not agree with the language of Dr. Ram Prabhu, I agreed with his thoughts. I know how to respect mothers and don’t need to be told by anyone.

  59. says

    I did not talk against any religion. I talked against those people who fight in the name of religion. Everybody has their own point of view and every right to express it. Who is one person to ask another to apologise for their beliefs?

  60. says

    @ Arya

    I did not agree to his language. Only to what he said about the politicians leading the common people into fighting amongst themselves. I do not need to apologise for that I am sure.

  61. Titus says

    Quite hilarious.. your sense of sarcasm is most brilliant…
    Oh and.. long live the secular democracy that lets all you hate filled fools misuse your freedom of speech..
    peace :D

  62. atheist jabali says

    “we cant blame our indian muslims all the time……they are indians n have every rit here…..jus as u & me.”
    Dont forget that it was indian muslims who demanded partition and created Pakistan and then Bangladesh. Nobody denies their Indian and Hindu roots. They r our own ppl and not foreign invaders. U have to ponder what compelled a section of our own ppl to demand a separate country? What is the ideology this section of ppl adopted some 4-5 centuries ago???

  63. Mohammed Ather says

    The Truth of Babri Masjid
    You may Think that as a muslim I will support Islam but the truth is Bari Masjid was built by Babur who was not a Muslim but during that time there were dictators military were on the border side of the city to protect it in that some were Muslims so for them to pray the prayers were difficult so they had to come to city and pray. Then Babur who as not partialwith any one neither Muslim nor Hindus, created a Mosque callled Babri Masjid there for the military people to pray.

    Lord Temple truth or a fake !!
    There are two things why it does not exist

    It is a fake becouse there is no such temple there and we Muslim are not allowed (Haraam) tu destroy other worship place and make ours for praying

    There was a dancer as she was hindu used to dance in the mansion of Babur so there was a temple near Babri Masjid a very small temple she used to go and pray there, then Babur said why doyou go much long for praying so Babur created a mall temple for her as she prayed her god their and o from the small temple near babri masjid grew to big for hindus for the destruction of Babri Masjid

    Thanks

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Mohammed Ather,

      you mention the details of the dancer with so much confidence(but without evidence) as if you are reading your great great grandmother’s personal diary..LOlz ..Man you are funny!

      and to your second point that Islam does not allow destruction of ther places of worship to build mosques..that’s a big joke!

      read the history of Islam in Persia,Byzantine,India,Afghanistan ..everywhere the local places of worship were destroyed and a mosque built on top of it to establish the religion of ‘peace’.

      If in doubt visit turkey(on a chruch), Iran(on a fire temple), India (on top of razed temples) ..in india the count of such structures ranges in thousands!

      if you visit dehli please visit the quwaat ul islam mosque ..it has an inscription that will remove your confusion

    • vinod says

      To solve your confusion ,you just visit sites of mathura,kashi and vrindavan.In fact the side wall of the mosque in kashi has the remains of old temple.

  64. says

    Dear,

    To my apprehension, People should have a least concerned with what had been done by Babar before 400 years ago, what was his character and in which activities he was involved in.

    Important is that; Key people, out of those, who were involved in the demolition of baberi Masjid were(are) ashamed on their acts, and now they have been Muslims. Furthermore, they still scare (that any natural disaster may occur) at every 6 December.

    The following links might help those who would like to rectify themselves, every person has got a chance to follow Muhammad Amir (Former BALBIR Singh, a main activist in demolishing of Baberi Masjid) before he/she dies.

    After Which there would have nothing except hell – Remember.

    http://www.monthlycrescent.com/my-journey-to-islam/mosque-breakers-become-mosque-makers/

    http://www.monthlycrescent.com/my-journey-to-islam/mosque-breakers-become-mosque-makers-ii/

    Iqbal Once said; ” Destiny is never altered unless one at his own endeavors to do so”.

    I followed Muhammad Amir, i now feel such a pleasure which i never felt in my earlier life.

    Thanks And Regards,

    • Arya says

      @Boss
      “To my apprehension, People should have a least concerned with what had been done by Babar before 400 years ago, what was his character and in which activities he was involved in.”

      Brother, why dont you use same yardstick for the demolished Babri mosque and suggest our Muslim brothers to leave their claim on it?

      Regarding Balbir Singh, please visit many sites run by Ex-Muslims and you will know how people feel after rejecting Islam! If you were hindu sometimes back, please go through http://agniveer.com/1634/vedic-religion/ and decide what should be your Dharm now!

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Boss

      what is with the dawgandists that they invite every violent person to the faith

      last i heard was that many prison inmates in the west are converting to Islam

      that’s a big blow to your (false) claim that islam means ‘peace’ ;)

      by the way ..appeal to authority is a logical fallacy ..if you bring up people joining islam someone else can bring up people leaving islam ..the real discussion on the merits/demerits of Islam would still remain unanswered

      best regards

  65. says

    लेख का हिन्दी-उर्दू अनुवाद:-
    अगर किसी को अग्निवीर [Agniveer] से पूछना होगा कि हिन्दू मुस्लिम की एकजुटता की सबसे बड़ी घटना क्या रही है? तो इसका उत्तर स्पष्ट और साफ है। मैं रोमिला थापर या डी.एन. झा की तरह एक पेशेवर इतिहासकार नहीं हूँ। मैं मुहम्मद बिन कासिम, गोरी, गजनी, अलाउद्दीन खिलजी, मुगल और नादिर शाह इत्यादि कला के प्रेमियों की तरह भारत पर हमलों के सदियों के गवाह भी नहीं हूँ। इसलिए हो सकता है कि मेरे पास इस्लाम के जन्म के पिछले 1400 वर्षों में हिन्दू मुस्लिम एकता के उदाहरण और अध्यायों के सभी प्रकरणों की पूरी जानकारी नहीं है।
    इस प्रकार मैं इस बहस में भी नहीं जाना चाहूँगा कि भारत में इस्लाम तलवार के बल पर फैला है या नहीं जैसा कि हिंदु ‘कट्टरपंथियों’ का आरोप है या पश्चिम एशिया के आदिवासी आक्रमणकारियों के कलात्मक प्रदर्शनों के माध्यम से इस्लाम फैला जैसा कि जाकिर नाइकों[zakir naiks] और JNU के ‘धर्मनिरपेक्ष’ इतिहासकारों का दावा है।

    लेकिन मैं कुछ भी आसानी से फिर से याद नहीं दिला सकता जो कि हिंदू और मुसलमानों के एकजुटता का सबसे अनुकरणीय प्रकरण की इस घटना को पार कर जाये। हैरान मत होइए। मैं 6 दिसंबर 1992 के शुभ दिन पर बाबरी मस्जिद के विध्वंस की बात कर रहा हूँ। यह वह भव्य दिन था जब हजारों सज्जन दिल वाले देशप्रेमी हिंदुओं ने उस संरचना को नष्ट कर दिया जो कि भारत और इस्लाम के लिए सदियों से सबसे बड़ा अपमान था। उन्होने यह सब अदालतों में कई सालों तक दर्दनाक परीक्षण[trial], सभी मीडिया माफिया [जो कि इस देश पर राज करती है] के द्वारा निन्दा और राजनैतिक/सामाजिक/सांस्कृतिक जुल्मों कि कीमत पर किया। लेकिन इन सब खतरों के बावजूद , वे आगे बढ़े और उस कलंक को नष्ट कर दिया जो कि मुसलमानों के द्वारा बहुत पहले ही नष्ट कर दिया जाना चाहिए था।
    -मैं सरकार से यह अपील करना चाहूँगा कि वो आधिकारिक तौर पर 6 दिसंबर को हिंदु-मुस्लिम एकता दिवस या अभिमान दिवस या वीरता दिवस के रूप में घोषित करे-
    रुको…रुको…रुको! आप में से कुछ लोग यह सोच रहे होंगे कि अग्निवीर पागल हो गए हैं या शैतान कि तरह हिंदुओं द्वारा इस्लाम के इबादत की जगह कि बर्बादी के दिन को हिंदु-मुस्लिम एकता का दिन घोषित कर रहें हैं! आप शायद इस ऊटपटांग लगने वाले बयान के लिए स्पष्टीकरण की मांग कर रहे होंगे। जो कि आ रहा है। आगे पढ़िए।
    -मैं इस बहस में नहीं जाऊँगा कि क्या सचमें उसी बाबरी मस्जिद कि जगह पर एक राम मन्दिर था या नहीं।-
    -मैं इस बहस में भी नहीं जाऊँगा कि संपूर्ण मानवता के महानतम आदर्श श्री राम असल में यहाँ जन्में थे या कहीं और।-
    -मैं इस पर भी बहस नहीं करूँगा कि यहाँ राम मन्दिर का निर्माण होना चाहिए या एक अस्पताल बनाया जाना चाहिए, जैसा कि कई बुद्धिजीवियों का सुझाव हैं।-
    ये वे बिन्दु हैं जो कि मुद्दे से पूरे हटकर हैं। दुर्भाग्य से ये ही वे बिन्दु रहे हैं जिनपर सालों तक समय बर्बाद किया गया और ये अब भी जारी है।
    –सत्य तो यह है कि यदि कोई यह सिद्ध भी कर दे कि इस जगह पर कोई मन्दिर नहीं था या राम किसी दूसरे देश में पैदा हुए थे फिर भी बाबरी मस्जिद भारत की आज़ादी के समय ही नष्ट होने के बिल्कुल लायक ही थी।– कार सेवकों ने तो वही काम किया था जो कि सरकार को 45 साल पहले कर देना चाहिए था।
    और कारण यह है कि बाबरी मस्जिद कोई मस्जिद नहीं ही है। क्योंकि बाबर कोई मुस्लिम था ही नहीं। वह लंबे समय से ही मारा जा चुका होता यदि वह आज किसी भी मुस्लिम देश में जिन्दा होता!
    हकीकत में बाबर इस्लाम के नाम पर एक कलंक था। बाबर को बेहतर तरीके से जानने के लिए चलिये हम हिंदु ‘कट्टरपंथियों’ या पक्षपाती ‘right-winged’ इतिहासकारों पर आश्रित नहीं होएँ। इसके बजाए क्यों ना घोड़े के मुख से ही सुन लें। चलिये हम बाबर की आत्मकथा ‘बाबरनामा’ की ही समीक्षा करें जो सभी प्रमुख भाषाओं में उपलब्ध है।
    इस लेख के प्रयोजन के लिए हम Annette Susannah Beveridge द्वारा अंग्रेजी अनुवाद 1922 में प्रकाशित का उल्लेख करेंगे। यह अनुवाद, उपलब्ध असली तुर्की पांडुलिपि[turkish manuscript] से किआ गया था। ये बाबर के असली चरित्र उद्घाटित करने के लिए पर्याप्त है। आप इसकी scanned कॉपी ttp://www.archive.org/details/baburnama017152mbp इस पते से download कर सकते हैं।
    #बाबर- एक समलैंगिक शराबी बाल-उत्पीड़क[child molester] :-
    आत्मकथा साफ़ तौर से सिद्ध करती है कि बाबर एक समलैंगिक शराबी बाल-यौन-उत्पीड़क था। अतः वे लोग जो बाबरी मस्जिद के समर्थक है उन्हे सबसे पहले यह स्पष्ट रूप से समझाना चाहिए कि क्या इस्लाम समलैंगिकता और बाल-यौन-उत्पीड़न को मंजूरी देता है? यही नहीं, तो बाबर इस्लाम के नाम पर कलंक था और इसीलिए जो भी ढाँचा उसके द्वारा बनवाया गया था वह भी इस्लाम के नाम में कलंक है।
    [1] आत्मकथा के पृष्ठ 120-121 में वह कहता है कि उसे अपनी बीवी में ज्यादा दिलचस्पी नहीं थी लेकिन बाबरी नाम के एक लड़के पर वह पागल हो गया था। वह कबूलता है कि वह किसी और को इतना प्यार नहीं करता है जैसे वह इस लड़के के लिए पागल था। वह लड़के के प्यार में कविताएँ लिखता था। जैसे – “कोई नहीं है आशिक, मुझे छोडकर, जो कि इतना दुखी भावुक और अपमानित है। और मेरे आशिक से ज्यादा बेरहम और मनहूस कोई भी नहीं है !” “There has been no lover except me who is so sad, passionate and insulted. And there is no one more cruel and wretched than my lover!”
    [2] वह कहता है कि बाबरी उसके ‘करीब’ आया करता था जिससे बाबर इतना उत्तेजित[excited] हो जाता था कि वह एक शब्द भी नहीं निकाल पाता था। क्योंकि नशे धुत्त होने के कारण वह बाबरी से उसके प्यार के लिए शुक्रिया भी नहीं बोल सकता था ।
    [3] एक बार बाबर अपने दोस्तों के साथ घूम रहा था जब बाबरी एक गली में उसके सामने आया। बाबर कि जबान बंद हो गई और वह उसे उत्तेजना के कारण देख तक नहीं सका । उसने कहा [naratted]- “मैं शर्मिंदा हो जाता हूँ मेरे आशिक को देखकर। मेरे दोस्त मुझे कपट से देखते हैं और मैं किसी और को देखता हूँ” ”I get embarrassed looking at my lover. My friends leer at me and I leer someone else.”
    [4] वह मानता है कि जुनून और जवानी कि इच्छा में[passion and desire of youth] वह पागल हो गया था और नंगे सिर और नंगे पैर घूमा करता था बिना किसी दूसरी चीज़ देखे।
    [5] वह लिखता है – “मैं उत्तेजना और जुनून में पागल हो जाता हूँ। मई यह नहीं सोच सकता था कि आशिकों को इसका सामना करना पड़ता है। मैं तुमसे दूर नहीं जा सका, ना ही मैं ऊँचे दर्जे कि उत्तेजना के कारण तुम्हारे साथ रह सकता हूँ । तुमने मुझे पूरी तरह से पागल कर दिया है , ओ मेरे [मर्द] आशिक !”

    अब ये बिना किसी संदेह के साबित है कि:-
    [अ] बाबर और उसका गिरोह समलैंगिक और बाल-उत्पीड़क [child molesters] थे। इन के लिए सजा के रूप में इस्लामी शरीयत के अनुसार, मौत है [death by stoning]। यह आज भी प्रचलित है इस्लामी देशों में।
    [ब] बाबरी मस्जिद बाबर के sex पार्टनर की याद में बना ढाँचा है और कुछ नहीं।
    क्या इस्लाम किसी sex perverts के द्वारा बनाया गया या उसके नाम पर बनाया गए स्मारक को मस्जिद मानता है? या शर्म का प्रतीक ?
    अतः यह साफ है कि बाबरी मस्जिद समलैंगिकता और बाल-उत्पीड़न का प्रतीक है और कुछ नहीं । मैं यह नही जानता कि इस विध्वंस के पीछे किन लोगों का हाथ था। पर जो भी वे हों , उन्होने हिंदुओं और मुसलमानों के लिए शर्म के ढांचे को नष्ट कर दिया है।
    -यह सबसे ज्यादा शर्म कि बात है कि जो ढाँचा ‘भारत की sexual perverts द्वारा हार’ का प्रतीक है उसे विरासत स्थल [heritage site] समझा जाता था। अगर ऐसा है तो शायद मुम्बई सीएसटी, जहाँ पाकिस्तानी आतंकवादियों ने खुलेआम मासूम लोगों पर फ़ाइरिंग की थी , वह ‘कसाब भूमि’ नामक नया विरासत स्थल[heritage] होगा !

    #बाबर – बर्बर हत्यारा, लुटेरा, बलात्कारी, शराबी और drug-addict :-
    (केवल बाबर के इस बर्बर अश्लील आत्मकथा से कुछ नमूने प्रदान की जा रही है क्योंकि यह बहुत क्रूर और विस्तृत रूप से पढ़ने के लिए अशिष्ट है.)
    -पृष्ठ 232: वह लिखता है कि उसके गिरोह ने उन लोगों के सर काट दिये जो उसके पास संघर्ष विराम के लिए आए थे , और फिर इन सिरों से एक स्तंभ बनाया। ऐसा ही करतब Hangu में दोहराया गया था, जहां 200 अफगानी सिर एक स्तंभ बनाने के लिए मारे गए थे।
    -पृष्ठ 370: क्योंकि बजौर के लोग इस्लाम पर विश्वास नहीं करते थे, इसीलिए 3000 से भी ज्यादा लोगों कि हत्या कर दी गई और उनके बीवियों और बच्चों को बन्दी बनाकर रख लिया गया।
    -पृष्ठ 371– जीत कि खबर फैलाने के लिए कब्जा किए गए बंदियों के बहुत सारे कटे हुए सिरों को Kabutl, Balkh और दूसरी जगहों पर भेजा गया।
    -पृष्ठ 371– जीत का जश्न मनाने के लिए कटे हुए बहुत से सिरों से एक खम्बा बनाया गया।
    -पृष्ठ 371– ‘मुहर्रम के दिन एक शराब पार्टी हुई जहाँ पर हमने पूरी रात पिया’। (अनुवाद करने वाला यहाँ टिप्पणी करता है कि बाबर अपने अंतिम समय तक बहुत ज्यादा शराबी था) Baburnama का एक बड़ा भाग इन शराब पार्टियों वर्णन करता है।
    -पृष्ठ 373– बाबर ऐसे नशीले पदार्थ लेता था कि वह एक बार अपने नमाज के लिए भी नहीं जा सका। वह आगे लिखता है कि यदि वह उन नशीले पदार्थ को आज लेता तो वह आधे नशे को भी पैदा नहीं कर पाता।
    पृष्ठ 374– बाबर ने अपने वैश्यालय कि कई औरतों से कई बच्चे पैदा किए थे। उसकी पहली बीवी ने उन सभी नाजायज औलादों को अपनाने का वादा किया, जब भी वो भविष्य में जन्में, क्योंकि उसकी कोख से जन्में कई सारे बच्चे जिंदा नहीं रह सके। ऐसा लगता है कि बाबर का वेश्यालय चिकन उत्पादन के लिए एक पोल्ट्री फार्म के जैसे था !
    -पृष्ठ 385-388– बाबर हुमायूँ के जन्म से इतना खुश हो गया कि वह अपने दोस्तों के साथ नाव में गया और पूरी रात शाराब पिया और नशीले पदार्थों को खाया। फिर वे सभी शराब के नशे में झगड़ने लगे और पार्टी खतम हो गई। एक ऐसी ही पार्टी के बाद, उसने बहुत उल्टी कर दी और सुबह तक सब कुछ भूल गया।
    -पृष्ठ 527– आगरा के एक गुंबददार इमारत के खंबेदार बरामदे में एक पार्टी दी गई थी (ताज महल कि ओर संकेत कर रहें है जिसका नाम शाहजहाँ से गलती से जोड़ा जाता है)।
    बाबर कि आत्मकथा के लगभग सभी पन्नों में यही लिखा है कि कैसे उसने लूटपाट की, धमकी दी, हत्या की, और जहाँ भी वो गया लूटपाट किया और ‘हराम’ वाला मांस खाया। यहाँ ध्यान देना कि जिस तरह से बाबर अपनी आत्मकथा में यह सब लिख रहा है इसका यही तात्पर्य है कि वह इन सब कामों पर गर्व करता था।
    और जिन दूसरे अपराधों का ज़िक्र उसने अपने आत्म-प्रशंसा करने वाले आत्म-कथा में नहीं किया उनकी कल्पना करके आप काँप सकते हैं।

    सारांश :-
    [अ] बाबर सबकुछ था लेकिन इस्लाम का अनुयायी नहीं। उसके कुकर्म किसी भी इंसान को इंसानियत के लिए शर्म और कलंक बना सकते हैं। और यदि वास्तव में कोई विकृत पुरुष बाबर को अभी भी उनके द्वारा इस्लाम की परिभाषा से मुस्लिम करार देता है , तो फिर इस्लाम कि उस परिभाषा से घिनौना और कुछ भी नहीं हो सकता।
    [ब] बाबरी मस्जिद , जो कि बाबर के समलिंगी साथी बाबरी के नाम पर राखी गई थी, एक खूनी और बलात्कारी के यौन विकृति का प्रतीक है। इसे ‘विरासत’ कहना और जिन लोगों ने ‘बर्बर विकृति’ का ऐसे प्रतीक को नष्ट किया , उन्हे फँसाना यही साबित करता है हम इतिहास के मामले में कितने नीच बन चुके हैं। उस परिवार के बारे क्या कहा जा सकता है जो ऐसे व्यक्ति को आदर देता है जो कि अपने ‘माँ’ के साथ बलात्कार करता है , उसकी महिमा का वर्णन करने के लिए उसे अपने पाठ्यक्रमों का हिस्सा बनाते हैं और ऐसे स्थलों की रक्षा करने का संकल्प लेते हैं जो उन बलात्कारों की घटनाओं से संबंधित है। (कठोर भाषा के लिए खेद है, लेकिन इससे बेहतर इस लूट के काम को कुछ अलग तरीके से समझाया नहीं जा सकता। )
    [स] मुसलमानों को आरएसएस/वीएचपी और उन सभी ‘सही’ पक्ष वालों के दल में सम्मिलित हो जाना चाहिए जिन्होने इस ‘शर्म’ के प्रतीक को नष्ट करने में हिस्सा लिया ,जो की इस्लाम के नाम पर सदियों से कलंक था।
    [द] मुसलमानों ने बाबरी मस्जिद के विध्वंस करने का एक बड़ा मौका खो दिया और अपने ‘अमन’ और ‘चरित्र’ के मज़हब की सुरक्षा करने के लिए ‘सही’ ताकतों पर आश्रित होना पड़ा। -लेकिन अब उन्हे मथुरा और कांशी में स्थित दो और ‘शर्म’ के प्रतीकों, फिर बाद में सेक्स के पागलों द्वारा निर्मित मस्जिदों और मक़बरों, जो की आतंकवादी,बर्बर,हत्यारे और अपराधी शासकों जैसे- मुहम्मद बिन कासिम और उसके बाद के औरंगजेब, शाहजहाँ, अकबर, हुमायूं, जहांगीर आदि के द्वारा बनवाए गए थे , को नष्ट करने के लिए सक्रीय हो जाना चाहिए ।
    [ई] बाबर की आत्मकथा इस बात का पर्याप्त उदाहरण है कि भारत में इस्लाम कैसे फैला। आदर्श यही होगा कि भारत के सभी मुस्लिम पागल आक्रमणकारियों द्वारा लाये गए पंथ को छोडकर अपने मूल धर्म – मानवता का धर्म – वैदिक धर्म में वापस लौट आयें ।
    लेकिन यदि गलत सूचनाओं के साथ प्रचलित सामाजिक/राजनीतिक/आर्थिक मजबूरी के कारण यह करना थोड़ा ज्यादा जल्दी है तो भी उन्हे :-
    –इस भ्रम में रहना बन्द कर दीजिये कि इस्लाम तलवार के अलावा किसी और विधि से फैला है और अपने आपको उन पागल लुटेरों और आतंकवादियों के विकृत दुष्कर्मों के साथ जोड़ना बन्द कर दीजिये । और यह कि यदि मुस्लिम ,मुस्लिम ही बने रहना चाहते हैं, तो भी कम से कम, इन अपराधीयों को मुस्लिम और सभ्य पूर्वज कहना बन्द कर दो। इसके बजाए हमारे सच्चे महान पूर्वजों जैसे श्री राम और कृष्ण को खुद से जोड़ो ।
    –उन मस्जिदों और मक़बरों में जाना बन्द कर दो जो उन पागल आतंकवादियों द्वारा बनाए गए थे।
    –ऐसा विश्वास करना बन्द कर दो कि इन मानसिक रोगियों ने कोई कलात्मक भवनों का निर्माण किया था और यह एहसास करो कि ये सभी स्मारक जो कि इन आक्रमणकारियों द्वारा बनाए गए थे असल में प्राचीन भवन थे जिनको उन लोगों ने कब्ज़ा किया था ।
    —और आखिरकार , सबसे ताकतवर अल्लाह का अपमान करने वाले उन आतंकवादियों द्वारा बनाए गए सभी मस्जिदों को तबाह करने के लिये आंदोलन की शुरुआत करो। काशी और मथुरा अच्छी शुरुआत होगी।

    मै सभी मुस्लिम भाइयों और बहनों से अपील करता हूँ कि इन ‘सही’ ताकतों से हाथ मिलाइए जिन्होने इस्लाम के नाम पर कलंक- बाबरी मस्जिद को नेस्तेनाबूत किया । और इस हिंदु-मुस्लिम एकता के महानतम उदाहरण को एक कदम आगे बढ़ाएं ।
    ये ‘सही’ ताक़तें मुसलमानों के सबसे बड़े दोस्त और देश के सच्चे देशभक्त हैं।
    मै सभी हिंदुओं और मुसलमानों से यह भी अपील करता हूँ कि 6 दिसम्बर को ‘प्रतिष्ठा दिवस'(इज्ज़त का दिन) या ‘हिंदु-मुस्लिम एकता दिवस’ या ‘राष्ट्रीय विजय दिवस’ के रूप में सक्रियता से मनाना शुरू कर दीजिये। मुस्लिम इस दिन को ‘इस्लाम की शोभा का दिन’ की तरह भी पालन कर सकते हैं।
    वन्दे मातरम ।

  66. ashu says

    Ooops,,, this site and its runners seems to be sinked deep into the syllabus of “Saffron University” for years.. I smelled this site saffron the first time I came here.
    Dear brothers(if u truly agree so) Life is very very short, it is only moving faster towards death and never vice-versa,,, Each one of us have been given the most valuable commodity ever, do U know what it is?? “LIFE”, and each one of us have to answer and account for it to our creator. Do anyone of You think that we humans are created lust for a joy?? There is a definite purpose. There is indeed a purpose over each of our heads. Don’t waste it. Don’t waste it by any means and don’t get DECEIVED.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @ashu mian

      Thanks for COLORING the site ..as a reward your post receives the color GREEN

      jokes apart..please read the articles and critique whatever you find ‘saffronized’

      this site is not Allah’s cloudscape ..from where you can pass summary judgments..here you have to put your arguments rationally… for or against ..most welcome!

      regards

      • suryodaya says

        with reference to http://prophetofdoom.net/Feedback_Muslim_Threats.Islam – the one written by Mr. Omar Sayed

        I really wish to understand (and would love to believe) his claim that the Prophet was born for peace on the planet.

        I wish to understand the term PEACE in here. Does he seem to refer that once every faith other than Islam is exterminated, there would be PEACE ? i sincerely hope that none of my muslim brothers and sisters would agree to such a heinous thought, but god forbit if anyone does, i just want to ask one question.. what PEACE would it be to first KILL people and then feel the ‘peace’ ?

        why is there so much fuss around the word ‘non-believer’ in Islamic dictionary ? i personally feel there is a serious flaw in this ‘non-believer’ word and all that goes along with thar – kill, loot, enslave etc.

        consider that this is ONLY meant to be done to ‘non-believers’.. what would they do once all ‘non-believers’ according to them are terminated ??? would it stop there?? i really doubt.. then the only natural thing to happen is in-biting..

        even if conditions and times change, that what remains is self nature !! look at taliban.. the Muslim world, it seems to be wanting to have Islam as the faith of Earth.. firstly they would never succeed in such a goal, if at all it exists, but if at all they do, its only then that they would realize that violence was a part of their survival.. and survival instincts would make them turn in to their own brothers and sisters.. eventually self destruction..

        actions shud be thought off by self rather than being dictated by someone under any context..

      • says

        Henceforth, you should be called as Lousi, :) khe khe khe khe khe…………..

        What is the defination of “Rational” is your sight Mr. Lousi?
        Abay Andhoo may Karaen Raja na banoo, come to the facts………….

        Yahan jab koi akar bolta hai to tum saray mil kar us ki martay ho???
        Jab itna dam nahi hai k facts aur logics pay bat kar sakoo, to we must have some “alternative treatment ” for you sick people

  67. Suraj Prasad says

    Why Tulsidas writing Ram Charit Manas just 46 years after Ram Janmabhoomi Temple destruction did not mention Babur?
    1) He was not writing current history but translating Valmiki’s Ramayan from Sanskrit to Hindi with his own interpretations
    2) The idea was to revive Hindu society with values of Lord Ram and create a revolt for Independence against foreign invaders like Babur of Farghana from Uzbekistan
    3) He did not want to vitiate the somewhat amicable atmosphere under Akbar by referring to crimes of his Grandfather, causing backlash on his innocent family and other Hindus
    4) In 1767, Jesuit priest Joseph Tieffenthaler recorded Hindus worshiping and celebrating Ramanavami at the site of the mosque. In 1788, Tieffenthaler’s French works were published in Paris, the first to suggest that the Babri Mosque was on the birthplace of Rama[citation needed], saying that “Emperor Aurangzeb got demolished the fortress called Ramkot, and erected on the same place a Mahometan temple with three cuppolas” reclaimed by Hindus through numerous wars after death of Aurangzeb in 1707 A.D like they earlier fortified it during Jahangir’s rule as Ramkot
    5) ASI excavation led to a 10th century temple existed at the place where the 16th century Muslim ruler Babur built a mosque in the Indian holy town of Ayodhya!

  68. says

    Abay Chup Karoo……….

    Koi Ram Temple nahi tha, agar tha to kuch kyun na mila 32 feets tak khodnay k bad bhee ?

    KiI Kaghaz ka bana hua tha wo temple?
    Aur agar tha bhe to 400 saal say kia so rahay thay tum log , achanak 1992 may khayal aiya ?

    You people are real funny people, and act in a way that you are critized over the world.

    Har koi galati karnay k bad us galati ko sahi sabit karnay ki Daleel dhondta hai, the same act is being shown by you sick people.

    Khe khe khe khe khe khe :)

  69. mukesh says

    i have gone through many of the articles given in this blog. what i got from all these messages is that both hindus and muslims are defending their religion and try to demoralize the other. this is not correct i am a hindu and i am very proud to be a hindu but whatever i know about my religion i feel and not only i feel but i believe both god and allah are one this issue started with the question whether there was a ram mandir before the construction of babri masjid or not. it was the work of the historians and archeologists. being a common man i was told in my family that worship god, do good for all, i am not bother whether my friends are muslims or hindus. i ask u a question when we go to a restaurant and order dinner do we ask first who the cook is -a hindu or a muslim? no we usually do not. when we travel in a public bus do we ask the person sitting besides us his or her religion? here also we usually do not. or do we ask who my son’s teacher is ?- a hindu or a muslim. again no. if in daily life we are not bother about this religion then why we are influencing by some of the disturbing elements present in society. india is a very beautiful country. it is like a flower and hindus and muslims are like petals of this flower. if one of the petals is removed the flower would have no importance. today india is developing almost in all areas. we have been chosen for commonwealth games. religion must be a personal affair. we believe in tolerance and non-violence and we ourselves break all our ideals when we face problems. why? why cant we thing something else which would be better for all? what this babri masjid demolition has given to common man? it has given riots, chaos, fight, bloodshed, deaths etc and in this comman mas has victimised. who give a single thought to them no one rather we think of further murders, killings riots to take revenge but this would give more number of dead bodies do we really want more number of dead bodies? we should and must give a rational thought to this question. i found ram in ramzan and ali in diwali. is this not enough for the unity of hindu and muslim in this country? india is a secular country by the constitution of india. we have adopted this ideal in the preamble because our founding fathers promised the citizens of india that after independence of india from british they would get india of their choice and living all communities and religion all together in peace and harmony was on of the demands. no other country in the world has such beautiful combination of different people. so it is my humble reuqest from each and every indian ( i am not saying all hindus and all muslims) to please wake up see, hear and think what is happening around us and try to bring down rather raise such ill activities in this country.
    jai hind.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @Mukesh

      Your world view is JUST your world view ..there are some ideologies that do not believe in your world view…and that is where the problem lies.

      1) You and I live in metros ..you are an accidental Hindu[ since you don’t find it offending that a structure stood on top of your favorite god’s temple..Ask a muslim about how he would feel if a temple is erected after destroying the kaaba ..he would instantly do away with you ‘liberal’ self at the mere mention of it ] and i am a born hindu turned agnostic ..none of us represent the millions of hindus who have come to know that INDEED the babri structure was erected after the demolition of a temple…BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY ..it is not about hindu or muslim ..it is about restoring the symbol that represents our ethos …the question to ask is that you …Are you with babur who killed hundreds of thousands of indians and destroyed their temples and built mosques on top of them to humiliate the natives ..or you would rather associate with Ram who gave up everything for family and the people of his kingdom..the answer is but obvious to any rational mind.

      3) I am not Hindu ..but you say that you are a PROUD hindu ..what are you proud of? ..proud of the fact that you don;t believe in reclaiming the temple of your most revered lord ? or ..proud of the feeling that a temple must be a non issue for a ‘proud’ hindu’ ? ..what kind of pride is that !!!

      4) you are pretty happy with your secular self ..but are you aware that india is NOT a secular country ? In India your hindu temple money is taken away by government [this law was enacted by the east india company to siphon of our money] ..this same act was amended in indepent India !!!..to give more rights to government to usurp temple money and many times DIVERT it for other cause ..sometimes for erecting minority community religious structures and sometimes secular infrastructure..how proud are you about that fact ? …on the other hand the Funding of evangelical missions and dawah centers is not even audited ..forget about the government taking control over their money ..high time you got your secularism examined !

      5)Earlier the waqf board and liberals were shouting from the rooftops that Islam does not allow a masjid to be built on top of temple and if this is proven in court we will give up the claim on the land …all the mainstream media was shouting that the highcourts verdict will be accepted by the muslims and every party must do the same ..BUT AS SOON AS THE VERDICT WAS OUT …it took no more than 10 minutes to change their 20 year stand !! ..they ridiculed your secular courts. your secular archeological agencies…and waqf board came out with it’s true colors ..They said they would not give up the land as it is Allah’s land …..So it does not matter to a ‘proud hindu’ like you if your temple was broken to erect that mosque ..BUT IT MATTERS every bit to the secular waqf board that EVEN IF the temple was destroyed becomes known as a fact ..they would not relinquish the land

      what does rational mind get from this : Islam does allow destruction of other peoples religious places of worship and build mosques on top of them and after that it becomes Allah’s land ..how secular does that sound to a ‘proud hindu’ like mr. mukesh?

      6) Since i am an agnostic ..for me the more important issue for hindus must be to stop the government from usurping temple money and understanding the meaning of a ‘proud hindu’ correctly.

      7) let discussions be open and focused towards humanity and human values ..let extreme voices be mellowed down and irrational arguments be corrected ..if you are indeed secular and democratic …respect the freedom of expression and the moral obligation to be truthful and sane that comes along with it

      best regards

  70. says

    I know there was a Mosque, and dont know whether there was any temple or not…

    I also believe that it is fictitious story that Babri Mosque was made after erection of a temple..

    If there was any temple, some proof would have been found, but nothing found, which could support fictitious story of these people…

    • Arya says

      @A True Muslim
      You know many things but you dont know most important thing. All the three judges of the bench of Allahbaad High Court accepted that there was a temple and the mosque was built by using the ruins of the destructed temple.

      You might not know about the temple but do you know whether Muhammad, angels, heaven, hell etc existed/exist or not? Have you ever asked for proof from Mullahs about their existence?

      If you dont find any proof of splitting of moon by Muhammad, his sky journey on a flying donkey, Jesus without father, and still you believe in these characters and stories, why do you ask proofs from hindus for their beliefs?

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @A True Muslim

      1) All three Judges agreed unequivocally that a temple existed where the mosque was erected ..while two judges were categorical that the temple was destroyed to erect the mosque the third judge (Honble. Justice Khan) said that it was built on ‘ruins’ of a temple

      so there is not doubt that there existed a temple ..the only disagreement is on whether it was on top of ‘ruins’ or the temple was ‘ruined’ and then the structure built on top of it.

      the ASI carried out excavations infront of of the BAC and other parties. not only that ..foreign archeologists were invited to avoid any kind of bias ..and the Truth was out. The communist historians tried to discredit the findings ..again ASI engaged foreign investigators to do an independent research and yet again it was proved that a temple was destroyed to erect that structure.

      Its no news that ghazis used to destroy temples to build mosques : even our class eight students know that :

      you are free to hold you independent ill-informed opinion ..but then it remains ..just an opinion

  71. hindu militant says

    This is to all muslim morons, and liberal sickular pseudo intellects.
    Ram was not there in history, ram is poetic imagination.(kavi kalpana) That particular place in ayodhya doesnt guarantee of rams birth. ACCEPTED. i DONT care for ram or his janmabhoomi. I just want to demolish that mosque as a signpost of foreign aggression. There is another mosque in delhi, the oldest mosque in India, the “quwaat ul islam” mosque. The POWER of islam mosque. Built on the ruins of 27 hindu and jain temples, and the murtis idols were used as stairs for the mosque . This was after mohammed ghori defeated prithviraj chauhan, the last hindu ruler of India.
    FACT. My hindu religion got wiped out from afghanistsn, pakistan, bangladesh and now kashmir. I got an equal right to wipe out islam, EVERY single mosque from rest of India. Justice is when you to to others what others do to you.
    Hell with hinduism and hell with islam. I worship stone idols, you destroy them, ridicule them, I destroy and ridicule your mosques. Babri was NOT a mosque. Patthar tha jo apni hifazat nahi kar sakta.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Namaste Ravi

      You haven’t read the article at all! the article asserts that it’s a not a communal issue.It exhorts all indians to take a stand against the barbarian landmarks.period.

  72. sandeep says

    hello,

    agniveer ji, namashkar
    i need information how Islam spread in India. did you have any doc with proof.
    sandeep

  73. manavendra9953 says

    “Arise O India, be proud once more of Thyself”, one would be tempted to say in conclusion. This should be India’s motto for the Third Millennium, after five centuries of self-denial. For, in spite of its poverty, in spite of the false Aryan invasion, in spite of the Muslim holocaust, in spite of European colonialism, in spite of Macaulay’s children, in spite of the Partition, in spite of the Chinese threat, in spite of the westernised framework, India still has got tremendous potential. Everything is there, ready to be manifested again, ready to mould India in a new modern nation, a super power of the 21st century. Of course, India has to succeed its industrialisation, it has to liberalise, because unless you can compete economically with the West, no nation can become a super power. India has also to solve its political problems, settle its separatist troubles, get rid of corruption and bureaucracy. And lastly, it has to apply quickly its mind and genius to its ecological problems, because the environment in India is in a very bad way, near the point of no-return. Thus, if India can succeed into its industrialisation and liberalisation, become a force to be reckoned militarily, economically and socially, then the wonder that IS India could again manifest itself.
    Francois Gautier, born in Paris in 1950, is a French journalist and writer

  74. wakeup says

    Agniveer,

    Your knowledge seems to be spreading by maligning other religion, I am happy I am not one of them so what you have contribute to your own country any progress, any help? Actions speaks louder than words. To preach is easy to practice its even difficult.

    “People who preaches wrong about Islam will always go away from straight path. it is simple answer for today’s Muslims.”

    1. Donations from Muslim countries goes across globe regardless of race or religion, dont tell me Zakah is only for muslims now, can you stop them from doing?.

    Eg: Charities raised for all catastrophe by Sami Yusuf, Hadiqa Kiyani, Sheikh Maktoum bin Rashid Al Maktoum who started Dubai cares for poor children.

    2.People fast in the month of Ramadan without water and food, working like you individuals can yo do that? please do not say shifting of time again. Can you stop them doing?

    3. Men & women cover themselves with appropriate dress for their own dignity, it still exists, Can they stop doing that?

    4. Muslims greets Peace be upon you to everyone, do not tell me it is only meant for mulsims again. can you stop them from saying? peace.

    5. Muslims will remain quiet because they will always follow the below verse and will go straight path. Can you stop them doing?

    “The Prohibition of Insulting the False gods of the Disbelievers, So that they Do not Insult Allah.”

    • says

      @real gay babur

      I think Babur knew himself better than you or any Drama director :) This article has references from AUTOBIOGRAPHY- BABURNAMA of that GAY BUTCHER BABUR.

      Enjoy :)

      • @realbabur says

        @vajra

        oh really, so can you prove your forefathers was not gay? ;) pointing is easy proving is difficult.

  75. shravak says

    Namaste Brother Agniveer,

    Why i can’t acces the article ‘Arguments of Babri lovers’ ? I am getting page error while accesing through google.

  76. Deepak says

    SUBRAMINIAN SWAMY EXPOSED SONIA GANDHI AS A KGB AGENT AND GAVE PHOTOCOPIES OF KGB DOCUMENTS TO PROVE HIS POINT IN DELHI HIGH COURT BUT SONIA GANDHI AND HIS CHAMCHAS STALLED THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE PARLIAMENT AND DID NOT ALLOW THE INVESTIGATIONS TO CONTINUE. SUBRAMINIAN SWAMY INSIST THAT SONIA GANDHI IS HERE IN INDIA TO PLUNDER INDIA’S WEALTH AND DESTROY INDIAN CULTURE.

    http://janataparty.org/sonia.htm

  77. shaik safi ibrahim khaliluddin says

    hai i m so sory i m not insulting any relegion my prophet muhammed does not teach us ,but question about hindu u ask to urself is this religion is good and give u purity ,or u all following because of only ur father and grand father are follower

    • raj.hyd says

      manniy ibrahim ji , jab muhammad j ne kaba se 360 se jyada murtiya fenki thi [hatai nahi thi ] tab kya dusre ke majahab ki beijjati nahi hoti thi ?jab macca v madeena me kisi bhi gair muslim ka pravesh par pabandi lagadi hai tab kya insaniyat ko kuchla nahi gaya tha ! khuda ji ki dharti ke kisi bhi hisse me jane ke liye koi manushy kaise rok sakta hai ? aisa aadesh to quran me bhi nahi hai ? jaise bahut se muslim kabro me dargaho me jakar shish jhukate hai vaise gulami ke duran se is desh ke nivasi bhi murti puja karnne lage hai ! jabki ved me aisa adesh nahi hai ! vahan par nirakar ishwar ki aradhna ka niyam banaya gaya hai !ab sabhi apni manmarji jo chahe ishwar ke vishay me karta rahata hai !

  78. Ganesh says

    Eye Opener!!! I never new that Babur had these great qualities!!!! :) Although only fools will say or believe that Islam was NOT spread by sword in India, but this book (Baburnama) bashes their claims!!!!

    Thank You Agniveer!

  79. Krishna says

    I have noticed some replies from apologist about how we shouldn’t destroy the muslim sight. How come I never see these people say a single word when temples get attacked. I haven’t seen them once say a single word. To me that shows a sign of absolute hypocrisy. If they want anyone to take them seriously they should either condemn both or stay out of it. If these apologists really want peace, I want them to go to the muslims and secularize their community. No more dual legal system in India. Only one legal system for all. No more right to marry many wives in India. Just one. No more funds for some pleasure cruise to mecca or other muslim holy sights. No more taxing temples or funding muslim places of worship. No more reservations based on religion just based on your income level and that is it. And to you apologists if you don’t actually agree to this, there will be a revolution in India. It is already starting, but you can stop it by agreeing and working on the things I mentioned above. For if these things don’t change, there will be a revolution and all you apologists will be kicked out of the country.

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