If I were to pinpoint the most foolish innovation of evolved human mind, it would be caste system.

Don’t take me wrong. I don’t imply caste system is the worst evil. I consider slavery, racism, kafir to be even more despicable notions. To enslave someone as property because he or she is of a darker color is sign of savagery. It doesn’t qualify to be even termed ‘human’.

Similarly to believe that people who refuse to believe in my book, my concepts, my prophet are kafirs or worst of creatures or will go to hell, again is brutal tribal mindset. It does not represent evolved thinking. Thus what USA was doing before 1865 or what Al Qaeda and Taliban mindset is doing even today, does not even come under purview of “evolved human mind”. These are just animal behavior.

So if I were to restrict myself to more “refined” set of innovations, caste system stands miles above all. A mathematically flawed, unverifiable, prejudiced concept that has no logical basis whatsoever as well as is against Vedas – the source of Hinduism. Yet, this foolish innovation has contributed the most to damage of the otherwise glorious culture of this great land. Instead of being a wolf that brutally attacks, it has been like a vampire that sucks away the blood while we remain asleep.

I have already written in length on how this foolish innovation is against the very tenets of Vedas – the source-book of Hinduism. I have also discussed how this has been the prime culprit for our slavery and all atrocities we have faced as a society or country. And how this is the greatest stigma on the brilliant face of our civilization. (refer http://agniveer.com/the-reality-of-caste-system/ )

In this article, we would look at a few inherent flaws in the basic premise of caste system.

1. Caste system necessarily segregates each human into one of the 4 buckets – Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra. This is like a multiple choice question set by a naive.

It does not have an option to choose anything beyond the 4 irrelevant choices. Further there is penalty of becoming outcaste if you dare to do so. Hence, an irrational answer is chosen as per whims of the decision maker.

In reality, the 4 castes are actually called Varnas (which means choice) in Vedas. They are part of a model to explain human behavior so that necessary steps for structuring of society in sensible manner can be taken. All scientific innovations begin from certain models which are further analyzed, enhanced and utilized to generate worthwhile outputs. For example, concept of mass, weight, speed, acceleration are basis to model complex mechanics and derive benefits. Vedas also suggest several such modeling elements, and Varna system is one of the many.Reality:

As per Vedas, these 4 Varnas – Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra represent 4 basic properties.Various human behaviors can be explained in form of different combinations of these basic properties. These vary at every point in time in same individual as well as vary as per the field of investigation being chosen.

The concept is similar to the CMYK model used in printing to generate different colors. The Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black colors defined at each point on the paper generate all kinds of images we see in magazines and photographs. Just imagine how foolish you would consider me if I show you a random photograph of some person, and demand you to answer whether the picture is Cyan, Magenta, Yellow or Black! If I do it with everyone in my colony, perhaps they would together lodge complaint to have me treated in mental hospital in public interest! In case of caste system, this insanity has been tolerated in our colony for ages leading to havoc.

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2. Going a step ahead on previous point, the harsh reality is that caste system has never been restricted to these 4 Varnas alone. As explained earlier, because of restrictions in freely looking at sensible options beyond the 4 castes model and combinations of these castes, people were forced to create a complex web of castes, sub-castes, sub-sub-castes and so on. So even among Brahmins, there are high caste Brahmins and low caste Brahmins. If you go to Varanasi to learn Vedas, the high caste Brahmins will refuse unless you belong to a high caste Brahmin family.

Even among so-called low caste Dalits and Shudras, there are high caste Dalits and low caste Dalits. A Yadav will claim to be higher than Bishnoi and Bishnoi will claim to be higher than Yadav. Yet each will fight to be included in OBC or SC/ST list. There is a Dassa Agarwal and Bissa Agarwal and each claim to be superior. There is a Prajapati which will sometimes call itself Vaishya and sometimes a Shudra.Even Muslims and Christians have hundreds of castes, sub-castes, high castes and low castes. So currently we have thousands of such frivolous classifications and we all take pride in belonging to our own classification by birth. We fight for special rights for our own sub-sub-sub-….sub-castes.

One foolish concept has led to such a complex ecosystem of even more foolish caste-network that keeps building up. That is why I call it a foolish innovation.

If we go back to the scriptures that are blamed for starting this mess, there is not even a remote reference to such complex classifications. And hence there is total chaos in matters of social rights and status of these thousand innovatively foolish sub-sub-sub…sub-castes.

In case we are humble enough to go back to original source – the Vedas – they clearly assert – There is only ONE caste – Humanity. All humans have same rights irrespective of their birth. What status a human achieves must solely be based on his or her merit and NOTHING else. 

3. Some wisest fools give reference from scriptures that Brahmins came from mouth of God, Kshatriya from hands, Vaishya from tummy and Shudra from legs. And hence caste system is birth-based. We have already analyzed this reference in great details.

But let us now evaluate how flawed this entire hallucination is.

Did God also give a certificate while throwing a Brahmin out of the mouth and Shudra out of the feet? Or did he put a tag for verification to prevent piracy? The most basic documents have this feature. Why was God unintelligent enough to miss this?

If he was not, what method do we have in place to verify whether a person who is claiming to be a Brahmin is indeed a Brahmin? Does he have a DNA test certificate that he or she is biological progeny of the first Brahmin who were spitted out of the mouth of God at inception of civilization millions of years ago?

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If not, why do we believe so? Being a Brahmin gives you superior rights. So obviously there is a natural incentive for a dishonest person to claim being a Brahmin. Don’t we see the number of fake certificates and fake currency being printed from corrupt places in country?

The hard fact is that there is no way to verify whether a Brahmin of today is indeed a progeny of someone who was Brahmin even 200 years ago, forget about millions of years. The very concept of ID proofs has come today, and even that is being faked. The probability of a Brahmin of today being actually a progeny of Brahmin at inception of civilization is extremely minimal. In same vein, probability of a ‘Dalit’ being progeny of a ‘Dalit’ at inception of civilization is even more minimal.

The same argument goes for every caste.

Hence the caste system has nothing divine in it. If it were divine, there would have been obvious ways to conclusively verify the same. For example, it is easy to verify whether someone is human or an animal (I am excluding those cases where humans conduct beastly deeds). It is easy to verify whether someone is dog or pigeon.

That being not the case, caste system is at best a human innovation. Very primitive minds divide everything in binary – good, bad; black, white etc. More evolved minds add more choices. However a fertile mind would embrace the fact that there is a continuum and any classification is merely an approximation. As mind power increases, you start using more complex models to explain the world.

So as babies we learn addition and subtraction by drawing lines and counting them, then we learn arithmetic, then algebra. And really smart ones understand calculus. To find area of square and rectangle, algebra would do. But to find volume of sphere, you need to learn calculus. To try to use formula of cube to find volume of sphere, because as per your book formula of cube is divine, will at best be called foolish dogmatism.

Let us be more honest. Caste System is a baseless, unverifiable, whimsical innovation. All we can say about a person is that he or she is a person. Any claim on his caste will only be a blind assertion. 

4. No one knows in which caste to put 6 billion non-Hindu population of the world. When someone embraces Hinduism, fools debate on whether the person should be considered a Brahmin or Shudra. People like Stephen Knapp – who have contributed more to Hinduism than bigoted casteist pundits was denied entry in Puri temple because he was not born as a Hindu.

Some call such people Mleccha.

The reality however is that these Mlecchas have demonstrated more intelligence and vision than all the caste-loving pundits of Kashi put together. They have brought more researches, innovations, inventions and discoveries and even the books of casteists need to use printing technology or internet invented by these outcastes!

So either these Mlecchas are the real Brahmins or God better make entire world Mleccha or outcaste. 

India became enslaved because of this foolish birth-based casteism that ensured that a person can become outcaste for most frivolous reason, but there is no mechanism for such person to become a respectable Hindu again. Hence we see Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh becoming our headache.

5. Some modern thinkers claim that caste is based on actions and nature but not on birth. Others say that in special situations, one can change the caste. Both these arguments are flawed. Because both of them demand existence of a third-party certification agency that allocates caste. But since spiritualism is directly between me and my God, who are these third-party agents to certify how I should follow my God’s voice? And who will decide caste of these certifying agents?

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Further, in primitive society, may be it was easy to bucket each individual into one of the 4 castes. Because professions were simple. However it is impossible to do so today due to complexities. A 4 part classification is too crude and elementary. For example, what is caste of software engineer? What is caste of computer technician? What is caste of anti-virus maker who fights against cyber attacks? What is caste of ecommerce platform developer? What is caste of a paid project manager?

Only a person who did not study mathematics seriously would try to fit in an approximate classification just because it is written in some obscure book, as narrated by some apologetics. An honest person would simply say, they are all humans. And each moment, they take one or more roles of being a brahmin (knowledge-oriented), kshatriya (defence oriented), vaishya (economy oriented) or shudra (task oriented).

6. Some defend it by saying this is foundation of Hinduism or Sanatan Dharma. They refer to history and Purush Sukta. As for history, that does not hold water. There are many things we do that we never did in history. And there are many things we did in history that we ourselves gladly rejected as evil. For example, polygamy and dynastic rule.

As for Purush Sukta, we have already analyzed its real meaning in http://agniveer.com/vedas-caste-discrimination/ . Also, we forget that Vedas provide hundreds of models, and if we are not able to understand one model properly, we better adopt some other model.

If you don’t know how to fly a supersonic, you would reach faster on a horse. And if you know how you fly a supersonic, you don’t insist on donkey for historical or “scriptural” reasons. You need not even learn to ride a horse to fly a supersonic.

So let us get rid of this foolish dogmatism. Let us eradicate this caste system from very root. Let us stop trying to defend a primitive model of caste-classification in any way. Let us be honest to Vedas – the root of Hinduism. Let us realize that there is nothing Hindu or Vedic about caste system. In fact, caste system is the most anti-Vedic or anti-Hindu concept.

The West was worse than animals till 1865 when slavery was banned. They then decided to look afresh. They did not try to glorify their ignominious past. In fact they repented for it. And hence today, they are the world-leaders.

If we want to be world-leaders as well, let us also humbly accept this blunder of ours. Let destruction of caste system be the number 1 priority.

Let we become One India, One Society, One Caste and let merit alone decide who achieves what.

If we do not do so, we would continue to remain the most queer society of world – that is so intelligent and yet so tormented. And if we are able to destroy this foolish innovation from roots, we would be unstoppable.

Say No to Caste System and Unleash the Legend Within.

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Manu
The Bhagawad Gita says “catur-varnyam maya srstam” 4:13. Sri Krishna created the 4 varnas or castes. So, whether you believe in it or not, it is there. It’s like saying you don’t believe in gravity. Wake up! Just because you don’t know the meaning of life doesn’t mean life has… Read more »
Krishnarao

Manu,

Please get a copy of the Bhagvad Gita translated by Ravi Prakash Arya. He translated it correctly into English. Here is the ISBN-13: 978-3846595886 and ISBN-10: 3846595888.

You will have the correct translation infront of you.

Best,
Krishnarao

ratnakar
Ek baat aur ki saare upper caste ke hindu log bar bar ye kahte he ki jaativad kisi dharmik pustak ya vyakti se nahi fela to ve ye spast kyon nahi karte ki isake liye kaunasi kitab ya vyakti responsible he taaki usaki bhi ravan aur kans ki tarah chita… Read more »
Sushant

Rothschild

Manu

Bhagawad Gita me spasht likha hai – 4:13. Padh leejiye!

ratnakar
mene is web ke shuru me poster dekha jise padkar mujhe writer ke mental devaliyepan par taras aaya. likha he ki brahman mouth se paida hota he aur shudra feet se. me to abhi tak yahi reality janata hoon ki har insan ki paidais ek hi raste se hoti he,… Read more »
Kaal
>>>> being a brahmin (knowledge-oriented), kshatriya (defence oriented), vaishya (economy oriented) or shudra (task oriented).<<<< On the basis of my own thinking, I would like to give some suggestion for correction here. I think Knowledge orientation of Brahmin is okay, but Kshatriya should be characterised by People oriented(betterment), Vaishya should… Read more »
jalwan
jahan bhedbhav vahan nash jarur hoga aaj n to kal . jambudvip tatha hinduon ka . kele ka bhe koi ped hai jahan pat pat me pat hindu ki bhe koi jat hai jahan jat jat me jat . brahman could marry in his own varna/color/caste/ jat brahman low varna/color/caste/jat… Read more »
cutie
insaan apne guno se upar uthta hai unche staan pr baith jane se nhi..caste n community created by NUT people jin logo ko khud ko dusro se shreshth batane ke liye apne aapko ek high community mein rakh liya or dusro ko niche dikhane ke liye lower community mein rakh… Read more »
cutie
Hindu religion devided into four community….but again I m saying to all stupid people who living in india..caste and community only created by mentally sick people and who follow them they have something problem in their mind..four community name are Brahmin,kshatriya,vaishya,shurda…and its surprising we all India dnt know the exactly… Read more »
cutie
Many a time, man has taken birth in high caste and low caste; but this does not make him great or low Having been born in high caste man thinks himself to be great and being born in low caste thinks himself to be low and pitiable; both of these… Read more »
cutie
Hindu (body) four community: brahmin (head) kshatriya (arm) vaishya (belly) shudra (feet) All these four communit called as hindu. We all are parts of one body. Without each part our body is not complete. If we lost one part of our body then we become handicap. The human body is… Read more »
Arun pregash
Dear Agniveer, Different people have different opinions. I am firmly of the opinion that Hinduism is not a faith, but a way of life. The Vedas do not speak of the ways to worship the ultimate truth ( God ), it describes ways and methods to realize the ultimate truth.… Read more »
Diwakaran K.A.
Casteism is a distorted state of Varna Vyavastha. I am Brahmin born from Kerala. Here, the so-called Brahmins constitute a mere 0.25% of the total population. Almost 95-100% people are non vegetarians and addicted to alcohol. Brahmins by and large still stick to vegetarianism and non-alcoholism. Very difficult to accept… Read more »
SuSHANT

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE NON-HINDU.

santosh

Aisa lagta hai jaise mere asli bhai mil gae hai jo sirf insaan hai. Ab mai akela nhi.

beginner in vedas

is marrying in other caste or so called varna is allowed?? is marriage with inter religion allowed?

Praveen
UPPER CASTE CAN SELL THE BELOW n BECOME WORLD’s RICHEST but did not do so…bcos for them welfare of the people came first. ================================================== Keep in mind —> WOLRD_WIDE and YOU use these FREE OF COST…. 1.ZERO(the concept of nothingness) – was invented by UPPER CASTE 2.NUMBER SYSTEM(proven better than… Read more »
Mohit
Appreciate this effort of Arya Samaj and Agniveer.. I was born in India who spent his teens in India, and then immigrated to West for my education and job, but still would like to see my country of birth progress and get rid of all prejudices, terrorism and evils that… Read more »
Jay Arya

Yes I agree with you but I also feel more work is needed by hindus in West Bengal and Kerela and I feel that is only possible if hindus work together and organisation like Arya samaj grow

Malhar
@Agniveer Agni, HaHa! Well he is a critic of Sangh Parivar also. He says that Hindus will not benefit by sugar-coating Indian Nationalism with Hinduism, but by initiating political Hinduism. He is against Agniveer for it’s soft stand on Islam. But, he has single-handedly slapped all the JNU historians who… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
That is his personal choice. In case of Agniveer, his primary issue is with our commitment to Vedas and rejection of everything that smells of casteism, gender discrimination and insult to our role models. At one time, he countered Agniveer for our stand against MF Hussain’s paintings. We have tried… Read more »
Jay Arya

can you answer some questions on other articles please?

cutie
All stupid people living in India that’s why this country cant be develop anymore as the other countries are well developed. Bcoz indian people live in caste-ism and egoist by nature especially who belong to upper class which is created by themselves not created by God.God only created human being..He… Read more »
abhishek sharma

We do not fight on Black and White people issue just like your developed countries.

Malhar
Well, maybe you are right, but we should also try to gain from other scriptures (and reject whatever anti-feminist and casteist we find there). I have always admired Arya Samaj but do have a few differences with you people with regards to your stand on other hindu sects and icon… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
Brother, 1. Agniveer is not Arya Samaj. Agniveer is an enlightened movement for strengthening the cause of enlightened spiritualism with focus on unity and tolerance. We have members and support from all major sects and religions of the world. We respect our differences and yet are united for joint common… Read more »
Ashish B
@Agniveer Agni MF Hussain was a bigot. But whatever the reason may be, asking ban on his paintings was rediculous. Its against freedom of expression. You also aware that Islamists also use the same excuse to persecute non-muslims. Instead of that, we(not only Agniveer) should have concentarted more on exposing… Read more »
Het
@Malhar – Ban is the only thing we can do. If anyone draws pic on their religious person, the poor indian people will be killed without a reason. Remember that youtube video on prophet ? So many people died around the world just because an anti-muslim created a stupid video.… Read more »
Malhar
@all, a very sad and embarassing incident apart from Stephen Knapp is of Dr. Koenraad Elst who is the biggest sympathiser of Hindus. When he went to interview Puri Shankaracharya, he was told not to come no closer than 5 metres to the Acharya and the Acharya did not even… Read more »
Agniveer Agni

Ironically the same Dr Elst is the greatest critic of Agniveer currently!

KrishnaIsTruth
@Asfaq, I dont think that you are a converted hindu. You are just making fool to people. Because the person who dont have such strength to face people comments or laughing when practicing hinduism then how that coward person can convert in muslim while people around him will make hard… Read more »
Mahesh
dear asfak, you have been terribly misled by your family members I guess. Have you read life of sankaracharya? his mother stopped him from being a sanyasi. do you know that vivekananda was an atheist initially and he was ridiculed in india as well as in Us. but who is… Read more »
Arun
Asfaq you initially showed pride and interest in original faith Hinduism, in its scriptures such as the Gita. You were not encouraged but discouraged unfortately. That is the influence not of Hinduism but of anti-Hindu communism, socialism and anti-Hindu fake secularism. It is unfortunate that you blamed Hinduism for this.… Read more »
Arun
And finally Asfaq As for all religions being interchangeable ways to him so it does not matter if you convert from Hinduism to Islam, that is false. They do not teach the same things. I want you to read this article by Hinduism Today Magazine “All Religions are Not the… Read more »
Asfaq
@Arun Then why the sannyasins and the Rishis are teased as”Pakhandis, mad men etc”…… Why not they get punished who insult Hindu saints and Hindu theists? I was in fear that the same thing would happen to me. Forgot society, I insulted by my family , my relatives teased me… Read more »
Arun
@Asfaq You are repeating yourself. Have you read my comments I answered you. Now let me ask you some questions. 1. Why do you take it out on Hinduism, blame Hinduism, for the behavior of your un-supportive relatives? 2. You saw sannyasis and rishis teased and said you were in… Read more »
Arun
If you ever truly desired to read the Gita and be a good Hindu you would have never converted no matter how many people teased you. You would have found a way to read the Hindu scriptures and found other Hindus who share your interest like here in this site.… Read more »
Arun
Your path has changed for the worse. All religions are not the same. Religions are not interchangeable. Islam is no substitute for Hinduism. Islam is not merely another version of Hinduism with the type of followers you wanted to have. That is not what Ekam sad vipra bahuda vadanti means.… Read more »
Arun
“Asfaq” you have not answered my two questions. You should be able to explain yourself. You did not hurt my feelings. You wrongly confused my disgust in your cowardice for hurt feelings. I have one more question for you to answer – what is your purpose in coming to this… Read more »
krishnarao
Thanks for your message on here Arun, I have heard of the quote from the Vedas that says there are many paths to God. No one ever said where in the Vedas it is. I never found it. Maybe I just have not done enough research. But I have heard… Read more »
Asfaq
@ Arun “May Allah give manners to you” , I dont used the word”you” for Arun because you are good guys,or those who have answered me but for them who done this to me…….. By the way , i have no wrath for them now because my path is already… Read more »
krishnarao

Hi Arun,

I don’t think that guy used to be Hindu. He is a total and utter fake.

Madhu
Reading scriptures is not mandatory in Hindu/Sanatana Dharma way of life.If someone or from your family criticises you then at best you should have taken them as questions that need to be answered. If one doesn’t question/criticise Hindu/Sanatana Dharma way of life then for me it’s better cease to exist.… Read more »
Asfaq
@Agniveer, Why do Allah make ur religion immortal as you never loved God ? If you do a survey , u will find out that 90% of Hindus are Atheists. I was a Hindu before ….. but i never get religious satisfaction there……When i want to practice theism , people… Read more »
Ankur
@Ashfaq : Brother.. to a big extent you are right that today’s hindu society is driven by the influence of “stupid and ignorant” peer and family pressure.its really unfortunate that your parents had no respect if not understanding for your choices, I understand it must have been a battle that… Read more »
Arun
Ankur and Asfaq, I did not have too many people in my life encouraging Hinduism either. I know what you are talking about Asfaq. But I recognized that this was not the religion of Hinduism fault. It was the destructive Nehru anti-Hindu secularism that too many of our people lived… Read more »
Arun
And you know what Ankur and Asfaq I’ve been a positive influence to all those who in my life were not encouraging Hinduism or faith. Through my example they saw it is possible to be modern, successful, and a person of faith, proudly and openly Hindu. I am a great… Read more »
Arun
You know Ankur and Asfaq, I did not have too many people in my life encouraging Hinduism either. I know what you are talking about Asfaq. But I recognized that this was not the religion of Hinduism fault. It was the destructive Nehru anti-Hindu secularism that too many of our… Read more »
Krishnarao
Dear Friends, This is a Purva Paksha of islam by a Western scholar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9sYgqRtZGg I ask everyone to watch this video. One of the best online. So basically you have three major text of islam: 1. Sira (Biography of momo aka mohammed) 26% of all three writings 2. Hadiths (traditions)… Read more »
Krishnarao
Continued: Facts from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9sYgqRtZGg Verses dedicated to war or jihad: 1. Mecca quran (The verses that mohammed made there) dedicated to jihad: 0% 2. Median quran (The verses he got there) dedicated to jihad: 24% 3. Sira verses dedicated to jihad: 60% 4. Hadith verses dedicated to jihad: 21% Total… Read more »
krishnarao
Hi Guys, This guy is really taking us for a ride. He did not leave Hinduism nor was he ever Hindu. He is clearly making stuff up. It’s really easy to make such claims when you are hiding behind a computer with no proof. I’m sorry, but that guy is… Read more »
krishnarao
ANd: 3. And directional prayer. That is a form of idol worship. Very simple. Very Simple. GOD does not need an object or direction because God is infinite and everywhere. So any fool that thinks they need to pray to a certain direction or pray towards a certain object is… Read more »
krishnarao
Hi Guys, This guy is really taking us for a ride. He did not leave Hinduism nor was he ever Hindu. He is clearly making stuff up. It’s really easy to make such claims when you are hiding behind a computer with no proof. I’m sorry, but that guy is… Read more »
Arun
Asfaq You in the end turned out worse than those people who discouraged you from reading the Gita or showing any interest in Hinduism. At least they remained Hindu however lax. You instead decided to convert to the faith of Arab foreigners who slaughtered and enslaved our people, raped Hindu… Read more »
dogra
That is yiur free choice Asfaq, but fact you decided based on what people making fun of rishis etc, is imo a very shallow reason. Why i am Hindu faith: 1) Lord Krishna says gid resides in hearts of all beings, so accept all beings 2) Karma Yoga-selfless service without… Read more »
srikanth
caste system is based on tendencies/traits in you .. they are four personality types .. thinker/knowledgeable person, who thinks for the welfare of the entire society and guides necessarily protector/defense/concerned for others businessman/economic upholder physical worker (one who cant think on his own) who takes instructions/ (like a labourer takes… Read more »
Arun

In other words there is the Varna system in Hinduism or Jati system in general Indian society but there is no “caste” system in Hinduism.

Arun
Caste is derived from Portuguese and it embodies the Poruguese concept of race based permanent hierarchy. this is not Hinduism. Only Varna is spoken about in Hinduism and it is not hereditary. We should stop using the word Portuguese derived word caste and refer only to Varna or the Indian… Read more »
Atheist_Hindu

Agniveer Mahoday

WHy was my 1st reply to Slave of Prophet removed? Was it too offensive or is it still subject to moderation? I tried not to be offensive, but don’t know what exactly peeved you about it?

Agniveer Agni

All comments above 2000 characters are automatically sent to moderation to avoid spam attacks. The moderators however review the comments from time to time and may approve these.

satyavan tripathi

@slave

Yes u are right he was great man as shown in movie “innocence of muslims” (bhuun).
he was not ordinary man as he was not man but …..

satyavan

Slave of Prophet

@Krishnarao

Dear we Muslim are slave of prophet (PBUH) not Allah. We are devotee/worshiper of Allah. Allah is our God while prophet is master. Prophet was not a ordinary man. He was messenger of Allah. He set right examples before the society.

Atheist_Hindu
@Slave of Prophet So, if you’re slave of the Prophet and NOT Allah, then are you trying to say that Prophet himself is no slave of Allah, but an equal (or a superior) of Allah? If I don’t know any better Muhammad himself confessed that he was the salve of… Read more »
Slave of prophet

To say prophet (PBUH) is d….e…….a……….d. is blasphemy. You can be punished in Islamic court.

Atheist_Hindu
@Slave(why?) of Prophet So, to say the truth in Muslim nations (dar us salam) is a crime! I wouldn’t be surprised, considering the fact that lying in God’s name is permitted and is even considered a virtue in your religion! Anyway, the fact is, the prophet, being a mortal, had… Read more »
Slave of prophet
@Atheist_Hindu Firstly you are atheist and we do not consider to talk with atheist. Anyway, I would like to clear you prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was greatest worshiper of Allah that is why Allah provided him status of prophet. As far as you talking we Muslim give highest respect to prophet… Read more »
Slave of Prophet
@Atheist_Hindu I dont want to talk about Quran now,…………..because religion doesnot give me bread to eat………….. I am concentrating at my work. Because I am not dumbass to talk about religion all the time , Yes Allah is great. But Bread is first then Theism. Because first i am Human… Read more »
Atheist_Hindu

@ Slave(why?) of Prophet

WHy don’t you answer each of the queries I’ve put so far before you (after reading them thoroughly) instead of avoiding or trying to character-assassinate me?

If I’m spreading misinformation abt. Islam, then answer each of my queries objectively and shame me beyond repair!!

Atheist_Hindu
@ Slave (why?) of Prophet “Many people have come after Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) to claim themselves prophet. But people know they were false prophet as you are false slave of prophet who posting comment from my User name……..For a true Muslim religion is above all but you are a materialistic… Read more »
Slave of prophet
@False Slave of Prophet Many people have come after Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) to claim themselves prophet. But people know they were false prophet as you are false slave of prophet who posting comment from my User name. For a true Muslim religion is above all but you are a materialistic… Read more »
Atheist_Hindu
Slave(why?) of Prophet That’s a good one, buddy boy! Now, that you have capitulated and are unable to answer my points, you have started spouting this “rationality” stuff and that “by food and work i shall survive not religion” (BTW, this statement is a direct lift off from the Vedic… Read more »
Atheist_Hindu
“Anyway, I would like to clear you prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was greatest worshiper of Allah that is why Allah provided him status of prophet. As far as you talking we Muslim give highest respect to prophet you are true.” SO, if it is true that you Muslims give highest respect… Read more »
Ankur

i think you cannot read hindi or english either, where does it say that Guru is above God?

krishnarao
look at the name you gave yourself dumbass. your name slave of prophet states you are a slave of a prophet not a slave of a god. LOL. Go be a slave of a man you retard. That is the problem thinking you are a slave. You start considering yourself… Read more »
Slave of Prophet

You are impostor. I am real slave. Please use different ID.

Slave of prophat and Allah
Slave of prophat and Allah

@Truth Teller
Ok sorry for now…, but i will give proof from the Quran later.

mahesh

Comments in the posts have degraded to only bashing and irrelevant. its high time you moderate and allow only technically relevant posts.

thanks
a fan

Arun
“To enslave someone as property because he or she is of a darker color is sign of savagery” Just to inform you slavery is not only of darker skinned people by the lighter skinned. For centuries Europeans were enslaved by darker skinned Middle Easterners. It is not as well known… Read more »
Rishika
If you still believe in old Indian caste system, here is very good video that describes “Worth, not birth, decides your position on this earth” from ‘Upanishad Ganga’ – Episode 18. Enjoy it on this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hehPjAJynr4 When your mind is elevated, even you have attained a very simple spiritual… Read more »
Arun

Then real old Indian system was as many have been saying here never “caste” but what is described in the video.

Rishika
A smritis, or code of conduct composed by sage Atri defines brahmin: “By birth, every man is a Shudra (an ignorant person). Through various types of disciplines (samskaras), he becomes a dwija (twice born). Through the studies of scriptures, he becomes a vipra (or a scholar). Through realization of supreme… Read more »
Mani
I don’t agree with this editor regarding the evil of Hindu Caste System. If anyone think logically, till 100 years back, this caste system in Hindu Religion was one the best system that ever God had created, which were helping the Hindus economically, socially and politically to remain stable. I… Read more »
Arun
We must understand that Caste is not a word from Hinduism or India. It is from the Portuguese Casta. See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta Part of the problem is that Indians themselves mix the European concept of caste with Varna and Jati. Varna is not hereditary and it only categorizes certain job… Read more »
Ankur
@Arun : to start with we should start using the actual words rather than their loosely and vaguely related English counterparts e.g souls is not the same as Atma, Murti is not the same as idol, as of course varna is not the same as Caste. so as long as… Read more »
Arun
This is an interesting article on the impact of Britain attempts to classify different jatis into a class status, and how Indians petitioned to change their ranking in the British stats. “…Thus, it appears that the [British] census system had become self reinforcing….” It acknowledges both that caste is a… Read more »
Arun
I agree it is we who have to educate ourselves. that Europeans first incorrctly projected the Portuguese derived word of Caste and its concept on to India and Hinduism muddling the true meaning of Varna and understanding of Jati should not stop us from now knowing better. But part of… Read more »
Ankur
@Arun: we cannot hold an individual of non-bharatiya origin accountable for the incorrect usage of the vocabulary,its us who have to correct it within us and and around us, and believe me, it just a matte of One Generation, if reforms and enrichment is carried out within ourself w.r.t to… Read more »
Arun

The complete sentence should have been “…It acknowledges both that caste is a foreign Portuguese word and that the British census had an impact on determining class status of Jatis which could be petitioned to be changed….”

Arun

Here is the link I forgot to paste above http://www.britishempire.co.uk/article/castesystem.htm

Arun
Exactly. But I would say the misuse of words came from Europeans, that we Indians continues without question or correction. The Portuguese projected their concept of Casta to India. It is not me who said this, I have read it in Western books. There is no Hindu caste system. There… Read more »
Malhar
@Sharma, stop mumbling conspiracy theories. Muslim countries are failed states bcoz of their own reasons. The successes or failures of a country are because of the leadership of the country. You yourself think that why is Gujarat so developed whereas other states are in such a desolate state. Lastly –… Read more »
Karthikeyan V
Tamasik diet is no way wrong or inferior. We need all 3 gunas in a society. Tamasik food is only not ‘the best’ choice for those people who wish to advance in spiritual path. Note that meat is not the only tamasik food, there are veggie tamasik food as well.… Read more »
Karthikeyan V
And by promoting vegetarianism, I’m promoting well being of all lives, ecosystem and environment. This you may call a conflict of interest, not an insult to those who eat meat. If I can’t even suggest environmental well being too a Muslim, then it is arrogance, not basic right. How can… Read more »
sharma
These all books Geeta, Bible, Quran, Guru Granth Sahib are written by someone and shows that writers mental position, no book comes from heaven or any where because nobody can prove that there was a printing press or this book comes by any transport or with someone. Main thing is… Read more »
Karthikeyan V

With all respect I request you to give your original relevant thoughts. Please don’t paste the same content over and over again. Your point is heard, understood and agreed.

Karthikeyan V
@sopaas You have not answered me and strayed away. I never told Hinduism is the only solution to all problems. There are problems in Hinduism that are topic of hindu internal debate and will be so forever. You suggested Islam id’s the solution. Now provide proof for it by answering… Read more »
Slave of prophat and Allah
Slave of prophat and Allah

Quran is only true book of world. It is free from any adulteration and error. Quran is most scientific book of the world.

Truth teller

Quran is the rubbish book i ever read in life.

Truth teller
@Slave of prophat and Allah Quran is the rubbish book i ever read in life. It sucks. Dont blame anyone’s religion without analysing ur own religion, you bonehead. They are trying to minimise Caste system so why are you creating obstacles ?Peoples tells right Islam is a destructive religion,(You peoples… Read more »
Karthikeyan V

Hey Sopaa… you there? I hoped you would reply me. If you are unable to answer, I am free to conclude you are just an ignorant mis-guided person who has run away from even a friendly debate.

Malhar

If you want to get RSS Banned, then go to a court, prove that RSS is a terrorist organisation, and get it banned. Simple. Don’t waste your time here.

Slave of prophat and Allah
Slave of prophat and Allah

@Malhar
Banning Agniveer and RSS is not the solution of problem. Because til Hindu exist such organisation will remained that is why prophet made a law non-muslim should not be allowed to live because they are followers of wrong religion and they will stand against prophet and Islamic ideology.

amna sheikh
@slave: now you have proved that your religions tells to spread terrorism and hence you all are terrorists. it is proved now and world can take a clean-up action without any problem. Ladies are just wanting to move out of this cult and get a free life. But, these bearded… Read more »
Slave of Prophet

@amna sheikh
Islam gives highest respect to woman. At the time of Nikah/marriage permission of bride compulsory. And woman get all rights over property after death of husband.

Malhar

@slave I think that we shall stop our discussion here itself. There is nothing that is debatable with you people.
I will just quote the Jewish Nobel Laureate, Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel- “If anuone says that he wants to kill you, believe him.”

Malhar

AND I have no reason not to believe you.

Malhar
NIA had to let the ‘Hindu Terrorist’ go. INC has become a Circus and is the sewer of Indian Politics. A stupid politician who kept the whole state of MP im the most desolate state and was thrown out by the people ten years ago has found a permanent job… Read more »
Malhar
Last time they arrested a ‘Hindu Terrorist’ was before UP elections. After the elections were over, the court questioned the NIA about the basis of their arrest and why were they unable to file a charge-sheet even after 6 months of arrest (acc’ng 2 Cr.P.C. a Charge sheet has to… Read more »
Slave of prophat and Allah
Slave of prophat and Allah
@Malhar I support the Hafiz Saied demand to UNA to ban the Hindu terrorist organisation like RSS , Bharat Swabhiman Trust, agniveer.. These Hindu in saffron color like Ramdev, agniveer and Sadhu Sant are actually terrorists who are poisoning the mind of Hindu to stand against Muslims and Islam. http://raviwar.com/dailynews/d3143_un-ban-hindu-terrorism-hafiz-saeed-20130125.shtml… Read more »
Rashtrabhakt

do you know anything abt RSS and its history…u must b sm congressi… they are real rashtrbhakt… nationalist… all other names u taken are different

Malhar
@slave Perhaps you did not undestand what I said earlier. A Person is innocent until proven guilty. It has become a habit of Congress to keep on muttering against Hindu Organisations. After Independence, they had undertaken a vicious propaganda against ABHMS and Savarkar was publically humiliated. RSS was banned. Later… Read more »
Malhar
As far as Hindu Terrorism is concerned, let the charges be proven in a court. Till date no charge has been proven against Sadhvi Pragya and Swami Assemanand. NIA arrested an RSS worker before Bihar elections another before UP elections another before Gujarat elections(during R. Malik’s visit). Remember “a person… Read more »
Praveen
UPPER CASTE CAN SELL THE BELOW n BECOME RICHEST IN THE WORLD but did not do so…bcos for us welfare of the people comes first. ================================================== Keep in mind People WOLRD_WIDE use these FREE OF COST…. 1.ZERO(the concept of nothingness) – was invented by UPPER CASTE 2.NUMBER SYSTEM(proven better than… Read more »
Slave of prophat and Allah
Slave of prophat and Allah

Indian home Ministry has released the list of ten Hindu terrorist.

Praveen
Mr. Allah, Why not read Quran in HINDI and try to understand yourself? You will be surprised In Quran its clearly mentioned that prophet does not know who is god and asks to refer to other powers existing. => In Mecca(earlier MECCESHWARA) you worshiped idols(360 idols). Where are they? Check… Read more »
Malhar

Once a Pakistani told an Arab ” Remember the glorius days when we ruled spain?”. The Arab started laughing and said ” When did you Hindus ruled spain?”.

Malhar

@slave of sex pervert/ rapist/ murderer/ …… Several members of my family have married so called ‘shudras’. My cousin is going to marry an ST. Keep this shit to yourself.

sharma
These all books Geeta, Bible, Quran, Guru Granth Sahib are written by someone and shows that writers mental position, no book comes from heaven or any where because nobody can prove that there was a printing press or this book comes by any transport or with someone. Main thing is… Read more »
Slave of prophat and Allah
Slave of prophat and Allah

@Agniveer
Once against Hindu giving bad name to our prophet. Agniveer why not ban Malhar?

Slave of prophat and Allah
Slave of prophat and Allah
@K. V. Hinduism is source of all terrorism in India not Muslims it is revealed by Indian home ministry also. RSS and BJP have Hindu terrorists training camps. Many upper caste Hindu and brahimns have made a propaganda all around the world that meat eating is not good and call… Read more »
vinsin
Why Hinduism not source of terror around the world? Why Hindus then eat meat if they are propagating it is bad? Islam doesnt say that you have to eat meat to be a Muslims. If Islam is natural way of life then why Muslims depend on kafir for survival. Why… Read more »
sharma
These all books Geeta, Bible, Quran, Guru Granth Sahib are written by someone and shows that writers mental position, no book comes from heaven or any where because nobody can prove that there was a printing press or this book comes by any transport or with someone. Main thing is… Read more »
peeyush pandey

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