Similarities in Islam and Vedas

The concept of Rebirth after this life and births before this life is the central theme of Vedas. However a new conspiracy has started that claims that the concept of rebirth is not to be found in Vedas and was incorporated in Hinduism much later through Upanishads and Geeta. This conspiracy started with growth of British imperialism because this was necessary for them to bring Hindus closer to Christianity to obtain Paradise. However in recent times, now that Islamic rule by sword no more exists in India, thanks to bravery of a whole generation from brave Rajputs like Rana Pratap to valiant Marathas like Chhatrapati Shivaji, this conspiracy has been adopted by modern day fanatic Islamic dawah agentss who believe that the only way to achieve Heaven of 72 virgins is by luring people to the fanatic version of Islam.

Thus a modern era preacher like Zakir Naik or Abdullah Tariq who have their own versions of Islam to spread, would start by showcasing similarities between Vedas and Quran. They would highlight on three key points:

a. Both Vedas and Quran believe in One and only One God who is to be worshipped.

b. Both Vedas and Quran believe God to be formless.

c. Both Vedas and Quran do not believe in concept of rebirth.

And then they would continue to highlight how Vedas have got adulterated and hence Quran alone (the latest abridged version of Vedas) needs to be believed in to be a true Hindu.

Especially after the Agniveer movement in recent months, this movement has intensified a lot. This has to happen because Agniveer movement has started a process of erstwhile Muslims coming closer to Hinduism. Further, many enlightened Muslims are questioning their Maulanas and their beliefs increasingly. Conversion activities by Dawah activists has seen a significant drop in urban and semi-urban regions in last few months. Not to mention the growing impact on netizens. The earlier copy-paste from Zakir articles has reduced because now Hindu activists post reply from Agniveer.

On November 24th, Times of India published an article. Titled ‘Namaz and Namo Namah’, it praised a group of Muslim pundits who are masters of Sanskrit and hence well-versed in both Quran and Vedas. The article starts with a very secular outlook and then in passing states that both Quran and Vedas believe in One God and do not believe in rebirth. You can review the article here:

Article – Namaaz & Namoh Namah

While we congratulate these Muslim masters of Sanskrit for their love for their foundations, we ask them very specifically:

Will these Muslim scholars of Sanskrit clearly assert that a follower of Vedas, if a good noble charitable nationalist person, would still be blessed with Paradise by Allah even if he does not embrace Islam or does not believe in Muhammad being a Prophet or refuses to accept Quran as word of Allah or does not believe in Judgment Day?

We all know the answer. Zakir Naik has given it several times – that even the most noble person on earth will have to burn in Hell forever if he or she does not believe in Quran, Muhammad etc etc! So now you know what these fanatics mean when they claim that Islam stands for peace!

But, Agniveer considers such articles to be a vindication of the fact that the foundations are gradually shaking. However, to dispel the misconceptions, we would like to equip all truth-seekers with certain critical facts:

(Note: We are referring to Islam as preached by likes of Zakir Naik and IRF. We are not referring to the Islam followed by scientists like Dr APJ Abdul Kalam and Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy)

1. Islam does not believe in worship of One and Only One God/Allah.

In Islam, one has to include Muhammad along with Allah in worship. The Kalama of Islam was created from two different phrases from two different parts of Quran to mean that “There is no God but Allah” and “Muhammad is his Prophet”. You cannot be a Muslim and escape Hell if you recite the first part but refuse to utter the second part.

2. Vedas truly believe in worship of One and Only One God/ Ishwar

As per Vedas, there is no agent needed between you and Ishwar. You have a direct connection. All other people and resources and mere tools to reach Him and one need not remember them during worship. For more details, visit http://agniveer.com/2708/understanding-vedic-god/

3. Islam does not believe in formless God/Allah

As per Islam, God has a finite shape and he sits over 7th sky on top of a throne. He is like a giant amoeba who keeps changing shape and has boundaries. So instead of being formless, he has dynamic but limited form.

4. Vedic Ishwar/ God is truly formless

The Vedic Ishwar is omnipresent and hence there is no space vacant of him. He is within and outside everything, everywhere and every place. That is why you need not go to a temple, mosque, pilgrimage or Kaba to seek Him. He is within you. In fact you are within Him and you can find Him through your mind by doing noble actions, meditation and enhancing knowledge. For details, read http://agniveer.com/2708/understanding-vedic-god/ and http://agniveer.com/2728/more-on-vedic-god/

5. Quran clearly believes in rebirth

Unlike popularly believed, the original Quran has several verses that demonstrate without a doubt that Quran has foundations in theory of rebirth. Muhammad himself willed to take birth again and again. The only way that Islam can refuse belief in rebirth is by refusing to accept the words of Muhammad. For more details, refer http://satyagni.com/2110/islam-and-rebirth/

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6. Vedas clearly believe in rebirth

Contrary to mischievous propaganda taking prominence in last few months, Vedas have their foundations in theory of rebirth. Almost all mantras of Vedas implicitly assume that rebirth happens across various species and situations as per Karma or actions of the soul. The sanskaars or tendencies of mind of soul is carried from one birth to another and thus, despite we not remembering details of past lives we still continue our progress from same point where we left past life. This is like we not remembering when we last sang a tune but can easily do it when situations come. More more details, refer http://agniveer.com/2790/salvation/ and http://agniveer.com/2763/understanding-self/

We provide some mantras from Vedas that specifically talk of rebirth:

Rigveda 10.59.6-7:

O Blissful Ishwar, Please provide us again healthy eyes and other sense organs in next birth. Please provide us powerful vitality, mind, intellect, valor again and again in next births. We achieve bliss in this life and future lives. May we keep looking up to your glory always. Keep us in peace with your blessings.

O Ishwar, you provide us space, earth and other elements again and again so that our sense organs function. You provide us the ability to have good health and enjoy life in every birth. You make us strong again and again in various births.

Yajurveda 4.15:

Whenever we take birth, may our deeds be such that we get a pure mind, long life, good health, vitality, intellect, strong sense organs and a powerful body. In next life also, keep us away from bad deeds and indulge us in noble actions.

Atharvaveda 7.67.1:

May we get healthy sense and work organs in next life as well. May I am full of vitality. May I have spiritual wealth and knowledge of Ishwar and vedic concepts again and again. May we be selfless for welfare of world in next lives again and again. May our deeds be noble so that we get human life and always get purity of mind and actions so that we can worship you and achieve salvation.

Atharvaveda 5.1.2:

One who conducts noble actions obtains noble lives in next births with strong body and sharp intellect. Those who conduct bad deeds get birth in lower species. To experience the fruits of past actions is natural trait of soul. After death, the soul resides in Vayu, Jala, Aushadhi etc and again enters the womb to take next birth.

Yajurveda 19.47:

There are two paths for the soul. One path Pitriyan provides birth again and again through union of father and mother, good and bad deeds, happiness and sorrow. The other path of Devayana frees the soul from cycle of birth and death and provides bliss of salvation. The whole world reverberates with both these paths. And after both, the soul again takes birth as progeny of father and mother.

Rigveda 1.24.1-2:

Question: Whom do we consider the most pure? Who is the most enlightened one in entire world. Who provides us mother and father again in the world after gifting us ultimate bliss or Mukti?

Answer: The self-enlightening, eternal, ever-free Ishwar alone is most pure. He alone provides us mother and father again in the world after gifting us ultimate bliss or Mukti.

Hence, it is amply clear that those who claim that Vedas have no concept of rebirth are either fooling themselves or the world.

7: Quran is not available in original form and it is impossible to find original Quran composed by Muhammad.

Quran has been subject to tremendous distortions due to infighting between relatives and followers of Muhammad during his last days and after his death. Some sects believe that original Quran has 17000 verses which is very close to number of unique verses in Vedas. In fact there is no instruction in Quran to call this book Quran alone. Several other names also come which include names used to denote Vedas, Old and New Testament! It is more plausible than contemporary belief that Quran actually refers to Vedas as Divine or Heavenly Books. Because many poets before Muhammad also used to praise Vedas. We shall review this in a subsequent article. Also unlike Vedas, there is no logical method devised to protect Quran from distortions. It only relies on memory of those people who escaped being killed by Caliph for reciting a version of Quran that was not acceptable to him. To know more on why present Quran is not original Quran read http://satyagni.com/3118/miracle-islam/

8. Vedas are unchangeable and available in same old pristine format.

In lines with mathematical genius of ancient Hindus, Vedas have been preserved in a mathematically robust technique to preclude possibility of distortion of even a single syllable. Even if someone tries to publicize a distorted Veda, that can easily be tracked and rectified. No other book on earth can claim to have such sound methods of protection from times beyond known history. There has never been a time when a literature claims that Vedas were being written. Thus the oldest texts of the world with more than 20000 verses is still available in same unadulterated format as it was originally gifted by Ishwar during inception of civilization. To know details of this, please read http://agniveer.com/2697/why-vedas-cannot-be-changed/

9. Contemporary Islamic philosophy is full of logical loopholes while Vedas are without such loopholes.

Further Vedas do not force anyone to mug up Vedas but approach Vedas only in a scientific rational manner in sync with one’s spiritual development. After all there is no scope for anyone trying to fool God by believing blindly in Vedas and saying Tauba or Sorry like in Islam or Christianity. This is because Vedas rightly are based on foundation that human ignorance cannot be removed all together in one single life and demands rebirth. Thus while Vedas answer all riddles in life and allow scope to each soul to understand at their own pace, religions like Islam and Christianity, with their insistence on single life, have blatant loopholes in their philosophy. For a snippet, please refer http://agniveer.com/465/god-crazy/

Thus while Vedas even accommodate refusal to accept Vedas as divine to progress further, Islamic fanaticism condemns all non-believers, howosomuch noble, to Hell fire forever.

In light of above indisputable facts, any true seeker of Allah should take recourse to Vedas alone. Times of India should, instead of trying to promote blind faith, extol Muslims to embrace Vedas and concepts of rebirth and One Allah (and no Prophet) to spread peace and harmony instead of wishes of Hell for non-believers.

We must explore how we can join hands the way we were joined as one single family before butchers like Muhammad Bin Qasim, Khiljis, Ghazni, Ghauri, Tughlaqs, Lodhis, Babur, Humayun, Shershah, Akbar, Jahangir, Shahjahan, Aurangzeb and other impotent Mughals, Tipu Sultans, Nadir Shahs, Durranis etc raped our mothers and killed our fathers to create towers of cut-heads to make us leave the Dharma of our forefathers. The remaining gap was fulfilled by anti-national Sufis who fooled people and sided with enemies of the country. And yes, the foolish caste-system that disallowed our Muslim brothers and sisters from coming back home was the last nail in the coffin. We have rejected that in http://agniveer.com/series/caste-system-3/

But we have now removed that nail and are in mission of bringing our lost brothers back to glory of our original ancestral home by welcoming them back. We are in this mission not out of any false illusion of a paradise of virgins, nor any petty gains here. We are in this mission to build the bridge to home once again and make the nation and world prosper. We are in this mission to rewrite those painful chapters of history where we forgot the message of Vedas and allowed ourselves to be tortured by our self-created destiny. Yes, we all were accomplice in this tragedy – those who left home, those who did not call them back, those who fought for the butchers and those who did not support the Shivajis and Prataps. But now is the time to learn from the mistakes and make Bharat the golden lion once again!

And we are into this mission with utmost truthfulness and honesty because they alone are escalators to ultimate bliss – for self and world!

To conclude, we reproduce an except from Arya Musafir’s amazing poem:

आ फिर से गले मिल के पुरखों को दिखा दें
दो भाई मिलें फिर ये माता को दिखा दें
हाथों में हाथ डाल के फिर से वो ही मस्ती
दुनिया को भी थोड़ा सा रुला दें औ हंसा दे

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  1. sanatanaakki says

    Shame on Times of India………..

    We all must spread awareness of Times of India and must boycott this paper as much as we all can…

    Hari OM!!

  2. says

    Baba ramdev yoga teacher recently said he was happy abt Nepal and he loved Nepal as he held a yoga camp there.He praised it bcoz it was a Hindu country.He said he will gift 40000 cows and bulls as a gift to our brothers in nepal so that they can enjoy the milk .
    And guess wat the headlines were in Times OF India

    Saffron Clad Hindu Baba and politician Baba ramdev wants to gift cows to Nepal.

    Please let me know toi wat has SAFFRON COLOUR AND POLITICS got to do with wat he was doing.?

    Dirty yellow journalism.
    funded by sickular christian missionary “TIMES OF INDIA”.

    Again this article was awesome.There is no questioning this article.

    The taqiya masters were in work again by claiming there is no rebirth in vedas I guess.

    ROFLMAO.

    And finally thanks to the Agniveer team , u r indeed doing a great job.After reading the articles in ur site It has bcome so easy to bash and thwart the muslim idiots in debates on other discussion forms.Specially as a proof u provide the correct translations of vedas which is very good.
    Indeed u r doing a fab job.

  3. rahul arya says

    Namaste agniveerji

    your this article was like ” gagar me sagar”
    you made clear like “doodh ka doodh aur panni ka panni.
    Now who says Agniveer is spreading voilence .
    Dhanyawad.

    • says

      agneever is not spreading violence but domonating islam to prove that both the religions are same but allah says from this day i choose the religion of peace it means ISLAM for whole human beings and jinns ,ANGELS to other creature.

      • Jay says

        Islam means submission. And it does not tolerate other religions as equals, but as inferiors. Everyone learn about what is means to be a “dhimmi.” Google it.

    • AD says

      Not just to agniveer – TOI recently is also behind the infamous news article saying ‘V.K Singh was trying to do a coup in India’. There cannot be anything more absurd or more clear evidence of yellow journalism than that.

      VK Sigh in a interview to TimesNow openly named ‘Sekhar Gupta’.

      Even Team Anna members have made MANY such allegations against TOI & Sekhar Gupta. I forget the exact cases but extremely pathetic attempts to attack team anna.

      I had read a (neutral) article somewhere long ago abt list of ‘most powerful people in India’ and Sekhar Gupta was on the list and it said – during a birthday party of his the entire neighbourhood was filled with rows of red-light cars and the who’s who of Delhi.

      Some may argue – he is a big journo, so what is the big deal if lots of powerful people attend his party. But there are many more (and more powerful journos) than Sekhar Gupta, then why only Gupta makes it to the ‘power list’ and why did the writer make special mention of such a party if it is a common thing for all?

    • SDC says

      These days news making is all about minting money. The journos act as paid agents of political parties and work on their behalf in the capacity of being their unofficial PR stooges. They journos will bend over backwards to please their political bosses. The recent unearthing of transcripts of conversations between Barkha Dutt, group editor of NDTV, and Nira Radia also sheds more light on this phenomenon.

      http://www.mediacrooks.com/2011/10/shekhar-gupta-doctoring-nursing.html#.UGXUuK6iDKQ

  4. krishna says

    There are verses in the Bhagavad Gita which clearly state that there is rebirth.

    BG.2.13
    dehino ‘smin yathā dehe
    kaumāraḿ yauvanaḿ jarā
    tathā dehāntara-prāptir
    dhīras tatra na muhyat

    TRANSLATION

    As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change.

    BG.2.20
    na jāyate mriyate vā kadācin
    nāyaḿ bhūtvā bhavitā vā na bhūyaḥ
    ajo nityaḥ śāśvato ‘yaḿ purāṇo
    na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre

    TRANSLATION

    For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.

    BG. 2.22

    vāsāḿsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya
    navāni gṛhṇāti naro ‘parāṇi
    tathā śarīrāṇi vihāya jīrṇāny
    anyāni saḿyāti navāni dehī

    TRANSLATION

    As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.

    BG. 2.27

    jātasya hi dhruvo mṛtyur
    dhruvaḿ janma mṛtasya ca
    tasmād aparihārye ‘rthe
    na tvaḿ śocitum arhasi

    TRANSLATION

    One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament.

    This is just a glimpse. The essense of the Vedas and Upanishads, which is the Bhagavad Gita clearly states throughout its text that there is rebirth and there is a cycle of birth and death.

    It is unfortunate that Bhagavad Gita is not taught to people who are born in the land where the Gita was spoken whereas this book is respected as the topmost scripture all over the world.

    • Sandeep says

      Today rebirth can be proven by established PLRT(past life regression therapy) by psychologists. So, christian and islam beliefs now facing this dilemma. One of my friend’s family saw the cause of their distress due to bad karma of previous life. Now, Abadhut Swami Shivanand ji performs camps where one can get clear the block of their present life by viewing previous karma. It appears in mind like a flash. But it is not free. Rs.10k is fees, but it will go to service for protection of cows.

          • Sandeep says

            Dear Vik

            Till i have not attended program, so i could not say. But my friend is very close to me. His parents and brother attended the camp and benefited tremendously. My friend is working in TCS, Chennai. He will attend camp at December. Previously i have lot of doubts on reincarnation, but after hearing from his parents and brother, i could not ridicule on it. Not only they, lot of people felt that. On Aastha Tv, Swamiji speaks. His website : http://www.shivyog.com/home.html

            His brother has chronic pancreatitis developed from age 16. Medically he was not cured completely. But after attending camps, he suddenly saw glimpse of man who was beating his wife ruthlessly. At that time he felt the pain of woman, and his voice turned into a woman’s voice, crying in agony. Not only that, by doing wrong deeds, we can even attain animal birth. Some people barked, meowed in that program. Though it is very funny to listen, but it happened. So, i can not disbelieve these truths. It is now palpable.

            Regarding PLRT, is in vogue. Any psychologist by hypnosis can cure chronic diseases. But Swamiji is doing by his sadhana. You can also watch youtube for Swamiji.

  5. krishna says

    Re-incarnation Changing Bodies-I

    Introduction

    Many people often talk about how out of body experiences do change the conception of a man completely. A learned professor quoted,” “In my work, I’ve found that the natural ego doesn’t like to die. But if you go through it [a near-death experience], you seem to cross the threshold of death to quite a different reality.” Yes, of course, it is different. The experience is actually like that of a diseased person regaining his health. So now the question arises whether a person who is dead experiences a higher level of reality? The answer to this is very simple. It is in actuality not the person who has died, but the body. According to Vedic knowledge, the body is always dead. For example, a microphone is made of metal. When electric energy passes through the microphone, it responds by converting sound into electrical impulses, which are amplified and broadcast over loudspeakers. But when there is no electricity in the system, nothing happens. Whether the microphone is working or not, it remains nothing more than an assembly of metal, plastic, etc. Similarly, the human body works because of the living force within. When this living force leaves the body, it is said that the body is dead. But actually it is always dead. The living force is the important element; its presence alone makes the body appear to be alive. But “alive” or “dead,” the physical body is nothing more than a collection of dead matter. The first teaching of Bhagavad- Gita reveals that the condition of the material body is ultimately not very important.

    asocyan anvasocas tvam
    prajna-vadams ca bhasase
    gatasun agatasums ca
    nanusocanti panditah

    “The Blessed Lord said: While speaking learned words you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.” [BG. 2.11]

    The dead body is not the real subject for philosophical inquiry. Rather, we should concern ourselves with the active principle — that principle which makes the dead body move – the soul. So, how do we actually become aware of this force which is not matter, but which makes matter appear alive? Of course, we can intellectually appreciate this philosophy which contains the truth, of which there is no doubt. But how do we, make ourselves feel it?

    How to Perceive the Soul

    Actually, It’s a very simple matter. There is an active principle which makes the body move; when it is absent, the body no longer moves. So the real question is, “What is that active principle?” This inquiry lies at the heart of Vedanta philosophy. In fact, the Vedanta-sutra begins with the aphorism athato brahma-jijnasa — “What is the nature of the self within the body?” Therefore, the student of Vedic philosophy is first taught to distinguish the difference between a living body and a dead one. If he is unable to grasp this principle, we then ask him to consider the problem from the standpoint of logic. Anyone can see that the body is changing and moving because of the presence of the active principle, the soul. In the absence of this active principle, the body neither changes nor moves. So there must be something within the body that makes it move. It is not a very difficult concept.

    The body is always dead. It is like a big machine. A tape recorder is made of dead matter, but as soon as you, the living person, push a button, it works. Similarly, the body is also dead matter. But within the body is the life force. As long as this active principle remains within the body, the body responds and appears alive. For instance, we all have the power to speak. If you ask someone to come near you, he will come. But if the active principle leaves his body, you may call him for thousands of years, but he will not come. This is very simple to understand

    TO BE CONTINUED………….

    • vikramaditya says

      @Krishnaji,

      I have left a message for you in the Forum section. I have started a new thread”ISKCON and VEDAS”, within the Hinduism section. I would request you to please help clarify some of my doubts.

      Dhanyavad

  6. Nachiketa says

    Nameste dear Agniveer ji.May that ever living give U a long life.I am a science student.I love and respect swami Dayanandji.I am unable to agree upon three different parallel independendent entities Ish,Atma,Prakrity.Scienc itself is hinting that everything has evolved out of ONE by different ways.It shrinks to one and when expands, it expands to many. All truths ultimatly must melt in to One.

    Nachiketa

    shabdika

  7. Proude to be an indian says

    Thanks allah That no muslim is wasting his time in such fool activity …….every thing is crap ……I really respect Hindu religion but shit u have writen is all wrong pls have look in quran we belive in rebirth but not on the earth but in hell or heaven……..and if go through quran u will fine that allah is every where but still to get a feel how our prophet was living how he sacrified every thing to spread the msg of god —and pls dont spread wrong msg as mohummad (s.a) is gpd or part of gad ………the kalma means ….there is no god but allah and muhammad (s.a) is prophet or u can say servant of allah and we need to foolow muhammed (s.a) beacuse there were many more prophet who came in before him and they have their teaching given by allh according to the generation but as he was last prophet and there is not other prophet who is going come we have to follow his path or teh way he showed to us ………..brother the knowledge u have in not right and may be u can fool ur people with this but can give this shit to muslim beacuse we dont need u to clear our concept —–pls go throught ur vedas u will find sign of prophet muhammed (s.a) as kalki avtar and also sign of one god that is Allah which u guys never belive …….

    • Ram says

      Quran says about rebirth in hell or heaven as you mentioned but Vedas talks about rebirth in this world.
      Wat do you think about that.

    • vijay says

      मै सबसे पहले इस मुस्लिम भाई को ये कहूँगा की 26 अप्रैल 570 एडी ! और कुरान लिखा गया होगा इसके बाद ही ! और हमे मालूम है की तुम भी ये मानते हो की अल्लाह ने मूहमद को ये सारी अच्छी बाते उनके जन्म के बाद ही बताई थी ! और वो जब तक मारे नहीं तब तक बहुत सारी अच्छी बाते बताते रहे और मुहम्मद इन बाटो को लोगो को बताते रहे ! उन्होने लिखा नहीं ! क्योंकि वो खुद अनपड थे! इसलिए न ही वो लिख सकते थे और न ही पड़ सकते थे ! चलो ये मानते है की जब लोगो ने सुना और तो उनमे से कुछ पढे लिखे लोग थे और उन्होने उसको नोट करना सुरू कर दिया ! बाद मै लोगो ने जो अलग अलग लोगो ने लिखा था उसको मुहम्मद ने बुलाया और कहा की जो लिखे हो उसको एक जगह एकठा करो !
      और ऐसे मै कुरान का निर्माण हुआ ! कई लोग ये भी मानते है की मुहम्मद ने कई बार इसकी जांच पड़ताल की की सही है की नहीं ! अब जरा ये बताओ की “एक अनपड ” आदमी कैसे जांच पड़ताल कर सकता है चाहे वो लाखो बार जांच करे ! जब उसको अलिफ बे ते तक नहीं पता था तो वो कैसे जांच कर लिया !

      दूसरी बात कई लोग ये मानते है की पहिली बार कुरान मुहम्मद के मरने के 100 साल बाद लिखा गया था ! अगर इसको मन ले सही है और पहला गलत है तो इसको कैसे मन सकते हो की कई लोगो ने जो सुना था और नोट करके रखा था उसको एकठा किया गया और फिर जो किताब लिखा गया ! उसमे अपने तरफ से कुछ न मिला दिया गया हो !

      कुरान तो सुरू ही होता है ” सुरू करते है अल्लाह के नाम से ” अगर कुरान मै सारी बाते अल्लाह की काही हुई लिखी है तो अल्लाह भी अल्लाह के नाम से सुरू नहीं कर सकता है ! हाँ कोई आदमी जो कुरान लिखा वो अल्लाह की बात से सुरू कर सकता है !

      रही मूर्ति पूजक की बात तो हिन्दू धर्म मै भी कुछ बुराई है , जैसे पशु बलि और भी बहुत कुछ !
      लकीन हम साचे लोगो का काम है की जहां भी गलती हो उसको छोड़ो और जहां सचाई हो उसको अपना ले !

      जैसे पढे लिखे मुस्लिम ये मान लिए है की पृथ्वी गोल है नहीं की चपटी ! लकीन आज भी जो पढे लिखे नहीं है ! कहते है अल्लाह ने कहा है की कुरान मै लिखा है की पृथ्वी चपटी है इसलिए चिपटी ह!
      इस तरह की मान्यता लोगो को अंधकार की तरफ ले जाती है विकाश की तरफ नहीं !

      • अजमेर शरीफ दरगाह में बैन हों फिल्मी सितारे says

        ख्वाजा मुइनुद्दीन चिश्ती की दरगाह के प्रमुख ने फिल्म स्टार और प्रड्यूसरों के दरगाह पर
        http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/ajmer-sharif-objected-to-the-film-stars/articleshow/15094939.cmsअजमेर।। आने पर ऐतराज जताया है। उन्होंने इस्लामिक बुद्धिजीवियों और उलेमाओं से अपील करते हुए कहा कि वे इस मुद्दे पर ध्यान दें।

        तस्वीरों में: दुआ के लिए मंदिर-मस्जिद पर सितारे

        दरगाह दीवान जैनुल अबेदीन अली खान ने एक बयान में कहा इस्लाम में डांस और फिल्में प्रतिबंधित हैं। आमतौर पर आजकल सिनेमा अश्लीलता को ही बढ़ावा दे रहा है। समाज में तेजी से गिर रहे नैतिक स्तर के पीछे यह एक बड़ी वजह है। फिल्म स्टार, डायरेक्टर और प्रड्यूसर दरगाह पर आकर एक तरह से अपनी फिल्मों का ही प्रमोशन करते हैं, जो बर्दाश्त नहीं किया जा सकता।

        दरगाह प्रमुख का कहना था कि किसी पवित्र स्थल को ऐसे मकसद के लिए इस्तेमाल नहीं किया जाना चाहिए जो प्रतिबंधित और इस्लामिक नियमों के खिलाफ हो। लेकिन फिल्म स्टार बार-बार अपनी फिल्मों के लिए दुआएं मांगने यहां आते हैं और मीडिया के जरिए भी ऐसा प्रचार करते हैं।

        हैरानी की बात तो यह है कि इस्लामिक विद्वान और उलेमा इस मुद्दे पर शांत हैं। जिस तरह वे दूसरे मुद्दों पर बोलते हैं उसी तरह इस पर भी उन्हें अपनी राय रखनी चाहिए। मैं किसी भी धर्म स्थल पर बेजा मकसद से आने वाले हर शख्स की निंदा करता हूं। ना केवल इस्लाम बल्कि किसी भी धर्म में धर्म विरोधी हरकतों को बर्दाश्त नहीं किया जाना चाहिए।

        दीवान ने बताया कि अपने विचार जाहिर करने से पहले मैंने दूसरे उलेमाओं के सामने अपनी बात रखी। उन्होंने भी मुझसे सहमति जताते हुए कहा कि यहां फिल्म एक्टर, डायरेक्टर और प्रड्यूसर जो कर रहे हैं वह आपत्तिजनक है।

      • prakhar says

        hindu dharm koi bhi galat bate nahi kahi gai hai// pashu bali jaisi bate hindu dharm me hai hi nahi wo sirf andhvishvas hai.

    • AD says

      1. You say Kalki avatar is Muhammad? But then you say there is no rebirth on earth? Then how is Muhammad born as kalki avatar again? Islam is very clear on this – there is no rebirth in either Islam, isn’t it?

      2. Also, if Kalki avatar of hindus is Muhammad – then isn’t Kalki Avatar the last prophet?

      3. Then how is Muhammad the ‘only’ messenger of Allah

      Proof that you muslims are followers of Satan and take recourse to utter lies & falsehood to spread ur evil religion Islam.

  8. dragunov says

    @proud to be an idiot, if you even look at other posts you will see muslims getting ripped apart with their nonsense arguments, avatarism is denied in vedas so wtf are you on about muhammed as kalki avatar?

  9. dragunov says

    oh yeah and dont forget to give a reference for where vedas speak about muhammed and avatarism please.

  10. areoh says

    dragunov says:
    November 29, 2010 at 11:51 PM

    oh yeah and dont forget to give a reference for where vedas speak about muhammed and avatarism please.

    kindly share when islam or other religion was form what ishwar was doing?

    Vedas talks about king stories where Ishwar is meniton?

    imp question ?

    If god could heal a blind person he happened to meet, then why not heal blindness?

  11. dragunov says

    areoh,
    1. how should i know what ishwar was doing? am i ishwars father? he has given vedas for guidance so what can anyone do if you form your own religion? we all have free will.
    2. vedas dont give any stories only practical application.
    3.how exactly would god meet a blind person when he is already omnipresent? god doesnt work miracles mate he only gives as per each individuals karma dictates.

  12. krishna says

    CONTINUED FROM PART I

    Reincarnation Changing Bodies-II

    Who Am I

    So, till now we have understood something about an active principle which, due to its presence in the body, activates the body. But what exactly is this active principle? That is a separate subject matter, and the answer to that question is the real beginning of spiritual knowledge. We can understand the point made about the dead body – that there must be something within to make it alive. The only proper conclusion is that we are talking about two things — the body and the active principle. But now the real question arises in our minds, “How do we become aware of the active principle within ourselves as a direct experience and not simply as an intellectual conclusion? On the inner path isn’t it important to actually experience this deeper reality?”

    Sometimes, people in this world face a problem called as ‘identity crises’. The problem is that people are not able to ascertain and understand what their identity is. The most probable replies from people regarding their identity is name, profession, age, relationships, nationality, caste, sex, etc. But we see that all of these are just designations which can be changed easily. Names, professions, nationalities, etc can be very easily changed. And nowadays even sex and castes are changes easily. All of these designations, which we refer to as our identity, are subject to many changes. But do we change? If my name changes tomorrow or some relationships change here and there, would that mean that I would be a different person? No! Then who are we? And what is our relationship with the ‘active principle’ which is being discussed here? Is there at all any connection? Read on to know the answer.

    We must first of all understand that we ourselves are that active principle. The living body and the dead body are different. The only difference is the presence of the active principle. When it is not there, the body is called dead. So the real self is identical with the active principle. In the Vedas we find the maxim so ‘ham — “I am the active principle.” It is also said, aham brahmasmi: “I am not this material body. I am Brahman, spirit.” That is self-realization. The self-realized person is described in Bhagavad Gita. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati: when one is self-realized, he neither hankers nor laments. Samah sarvesu bhutesu: he is equal to everyone — men, animals, all living beings. But can one experience it?

    Of course! How can one not experience it? He knows that he is the active principle. Everyone ultimately knows that they are not the body. Even a child knows it. We can observe this by examining the way we speak. We say, “This is my computer.”, “This is my book.”, “This is my finger.” And so on. That means that we and our computers, books and fingers are different. We also say, “This is my body.” This means I and my body are different. So what is that “I”? This is self-realization — “I am not this body.”

    And this realization can be extended to other living beings. Why does man kill animals? Why give trouble to others? One who is self-realized can see, “Here is another self. He simply has a different body, but the same active principle that exists within my body is operating within his body.” The self-realized person sees all living entities with equal vision, knowing that the active principle, the self, is present not only in human beings, but within the bodies of animals, birds, fish, insects, trees, and plants as well. This is the level of understanding each person should strive to achieve. Now we move further; trying to more logically understand rebirth and related phenomena.

    TO BE CONTINUED…………

    • sanatanaakki says

      @ hindu

      i m waiting for the day when hindus will not be ashamed of going to Mandir, putting Tika on head, have some knowledge of Vedas, and all…

      Bringing of world to hinduism is never in my check list ….

  13. krishna says

    CONTINUED FROM PART II ABOVE…………….

    Reincarnation Changing Bodies-III

    Reincarnation in this Life?

    This seems to be the weirdest question on earth, especially after all that we have learnt till now. But it is possible. Sensing an adrenalin rush? Calm down. It is simple to understand. We must know that the active principle in our body is the soul itself, and the soul transmigrates from one body to another at the time of death. The body may be different, but the self remains the same. We can observe this change of body even within our own lifetime. We have transmigrated from babyhood to childhood, from childhood to youth, and from youth to adulthood. Yet all the while, the conscious self, or soul, has remained the same. The body is material, and the actual self is spiritual. When one comes to this understanding, he is called self-realized.

    We are now arriving at a very decisive moment in the Western world, because for the first time in our history, people in Europe and America are starting to take seriously the inner experiences by which truth is revealed. Of course, in the East there have always been philosophers who have known the experiences by which death loses its terrifying character and becomes the threshold to a more complete life. People need this experience of overcoming their usual bodily habits. And if they can break through that bodily experience, they suddenly realize that quite a different principle is operating within them. They become aware of the “inner life.”

    A sincere student of Bhagavad Gita automatically realizes that different principle, because he never thinks, “I am this body.” He thinks, aham brahmasmi — “I am spirit soul.” The first instruction given by Lord Krishna to Arjuna in Bhagavad Gita is this: “My dear Arjuna, you are very seriously considering the condition of the body, but a learned man does not take this material body, either dead or alive, very seriously.” This is the first realization on the path of self realization. Everyone in this world is very much concerned with the body, and when it is alive, they take care of it in so many ways. When it is dead, they erect grand statues and monuments over it. This is body consciousness. But no one understands that active principle which gives the body beauty and life. And at the time of death, no one knows where the real self, the active principle, has gone. That is ignorance.

    A retired army officer states, “During World War I, when I was a young man, I spent four years at the front. I was one of two officers in my regiment who was not wounded. On the battlefield, I saw death again and again. I saw people standing just next to me get hit, and suddenly their life force was gone. All that was left….was a body without a soul. But when death was near and I accepted that I also might die, I realized that within myself was something that has nothing whatsoever to do with death….. This experience of war marked me very deeply. It was the beginning of my inner path.” Yes. This is self-realization.

    Actually, In the Vedas it is said, narayana-parah sarve na kutascana bibhyati. If one is a God-realized soul, he is not afraid of anything. People all over the world have gone through experiences, which make them come closer to the path of self realization. There are so many people who went through the battlefields, concentration camps, bombing raids. And within their hearts they retain the memories of those moments when death was near, when they were nearly torn in pieces, and they experienced a glimpse of their eternal nature. But now it’s necessary to show people that they don’t need a battlefield, a concentration camp, or a bombing raid in order to take seriously those inner experiences when one is suddenly touched by a sense of divine reality and understands that this bodily existence is not the all and all.

    TO BE CONTINUED…………….

  14. A.K.Satsangi says

    SCIENTIFIC AWARENESS OF REINCARNATION : BASES FOR A NEW UNIVERSAL RELIGION

    According to Dr. Granville Dharmawardena of Colombo University reincarnation may be defined as the re-embodiment of an immaterial part of a person after a short or a long interval after death, in a new body whence it proceeds to lead a new life in the new body more or less unconscious of its past existences, but containing within itself the “essence” of the results of its past lives, which experience goes to make up its new character or personality.

    In the seventeenth century Rene Descartes divided everything in the universe into two realms as “Res Extensa” (matter) and “Res Cogitans” (mind). Gathering knowledge within the realm of Res Extensa was called Science and the phenomenon of reincarnation got pushed into the other realm Res Cogitans which was not considered suitable for scientific probing. Science developed in the framework of Res Estensa is known as “Classical Science”. Classical science had tremendous material achievements because it helped all round growth of technology which brought about prosperity to mankind. The air of frame work of Classical Science was blown out by Henry Becquerel in 1896 by the discovery of Radioactivity. The discovery of Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein in early 20th Century gave it further blow. The advent of Quantum Theory and the Uncertainty Principle did the rest. It is significant to note that Einstein’s discovery fall entirely within the frame work of Res Cogitans as it did not involve any experiments or measurements. Gravitation Force Theory of Newton is also an example of such observation and intuition work involving no experiments and measurements.

    Modern Science enhanced man’s knowledge surpassing the restrictions imposed by the five senses and took us to hidden areas of nature and profound changes had been introduced in procedures of science. Our ability to understand everything by way of perceptible mental pictures is reduced and it became necessary to imagine models with components which behaved in ways that had no counterparts at all in the world familiar to us. In most cases mechanisms involved in these models not only are imperceptible but also consist of elements that operate in ways never known in the world that we actually experience through sensory inputs.

    Modern science tied up the two realms, Res Extensa and Res Cogitans and made us to understand that they are not independent and cannot be completely studied independently. Within the establishment of modern science some of the aspects of nature that did not strictly adhere to the realm of Res Extensa, which were therefore earlier condemned as unbecoming of scientists to talk about have become respectable. Reincarnation falls into this category

    Reincarnation is a very old belief and a large fraction of the world population believes it. For example Rene Descartes’ statement “What I have said is sufficient to show clearly enough that the extinction of the mind does not follow from the corruption of the body and also to give men the hope of another life after death” in 1641 confirms his belief in reincarnation. About 20 percent of those in the Western World whose religions shun reincarnation nevertheless believe it. According to opinion polls this percentage is rising.

    Lisa Miller, Religion Editor of Newsweek says that Americans are becoming more Hindus. According to 2008 Harris Poll 24% of Americans say they believe in reincarnation

    Steven J Rosen writes in The Reincarnation Controversy, Uncovering the Truth in World Religions (New Age Books) that belief in reincarnation allows us to see ourselves as architects of our own future. Rosen raises certain queries,‘ what is it that reincarnates from one body to another? Is it the soul? the mind? the intellect? To understand this we should suggest answer to these questions. We all know that there are four fundamental forces in the universe viz., gravitation force, electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force. I have written a paper entitled ‘Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator’ and presented it at the 1st International Conference on Revival of Traditional Yoga held in Lonavla Yoga Institute, Lonavla in January 2006. In this paper I have defined soul (individual consciousness), mind and body. According to this every point of action of Gravitational Force Field is individual consciousness or soul, electromagnetic force as the force of mind and weak and strong nuclear force as the gross material force which constitute physical frame of body.

    Consciousness is All Intelligent and pervades everywhere. Although all other remaining three forces are also intelligent but they are subordinate to Gravitational Force. THIS DESCRIPTION WILL HELP TO UNDERSTAND ‘WHAT IS IT THAT REINCARNATES FROM ONE BODY TO ANOTHER.

    According to Buddhism this is not the supreme atman or soul that ties one life to another, instead it talks about past lives as evolvement of consciousness, emergence of a new personality from the same stream of consciousness.

    Reincarnation is not an exclusively Eastern precept. It is contained in some form in almost every major religion and mystical philosophy. Research indicates that it was an accepted doctrine, at least in some quarters, at the time of Christ, and is still an integral part of some sects of the Jewish tradition. The Bible contain no condemnation of the principle of reincarnation, and in fact, when Christ was asked when Elijah would return, he answered that Elijah had returned, referring to John the Baptist.

    Sakina Yusuf Khan writes in an article A Night Of Forgiveness published in The Speaking Tree: “It (Shab-e-Barat) is also a festival associated with the dead. It is believed that the souls of the dead are set free on this night to visit their relatives.” What this indicates? This is a belief in reincarnation, of course in subtle body. Sadia Dehlvi also writes in her article Jesus In Islam published in The Speaking Tree (August 29, 2010) that both Islam and Christianity believe that Christ will return to destroy the Antichrist. This is affirmation to reincarnation although in some restricted sense.

    It is clear from the above descriptions that both Islam and Christianity appear not to opposed to reincarnation. Of course, they don’t believe reincarnation in broader sense as Hindus do.

    Unaccomplished activities of past lives are also one of the causes for reincarnation. Some of us reincarnate to complete the unfinished tasks of previous birth. The is evident from my own story of reincarnation:

    “My most Revered Guru of my previous life His Holiness Maharaj Sahab, 3rd Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith had revealed this secret to me during trance like state of mine. This was sort of REVELATION.
    HE told me, “Tum Sarkar Sahab Ho” (You are Sarkar Sahab). Sarkar Sahab was one of the most beloved disciple of His Holiness Maharj Sahab. Sarkar Sahab later on became Fourth of Spiritual Head Radhasoami Faith.
    Since I don’t have any direct realization of it so I can not claim the extent of its correctness. But it seems to be correct. During my previous birth I wanted to sing the song of ‘Infinite’ (Agam Geet yeh gawan chahoon tumhri mauj nihara, mauj hoi to satguru soami karoon supanth vichara) but I could not do so then since I had to leave the mortal frame at a very early age. But through the unbounded Grace and Mercy of my most Revered Guru that desire of my past birth is being fulfilled now.”

    I am one the chief expounder and supporter of Gravitation Force Theory of God. This is most scientific and secular theory of God. This is the Theory of Universal Religion. I have given Higher Theory of Everything. Sometimes back I posted this as comments to a blog on:

    ‘Fighting of the Cause of Allah by Governing a Smart Mathematics Based on Islamic Teology’

    By Rohedi of Rohedi Laboratories, Indonesia. Rohedi termed my higher theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Some details are quoted below:

    rohedi

    @anirudh kumar satsangi

    Congratulation you have develop the higher theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Hopefully your some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory are recognized by International Science Community, hence I soon read the fundamental aspect proposed by you.

    I have posted my comments to the Blog of Syed K. Mirza on Evolutionary Science vs. Creation Theory, and Intellectual Hypocrisy. Syed Mirza seems to be a very liberal muslim. He responded to my comments as mentioned below.

    “Many thanks for your very high thought explanations of God.

    You said:
    “Hence it can be assumed that the Current of Chaitanya (Consciousness) and Gravitational Wave are the two names of the same Supreme Essence (Seed) which has brought forth the entire creation. Hence it can be assumed that the source of current of consciousness and gravitational wave is the same i.e. God or ultimate creator.
    (i) Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator, Source of Gravitational Wave is God”

    Whatever you call it, God is no living God of any religion. Yes, when I call it “Mother Nature” is the God generated from all Natural forces and Gravitational force is the nucleus of all forces or we can presume that Gravitation is the ultimate guiding principle of this Mother Nature we call it non-living God unlike living personal God of religions. I can not believe any personal God would do so much misery created for its creation. Hence, only non-living natural God can explain everything in the Universe. When we think of any living personal God, things do not ad up!”

    I have also discovered the mathematical expression for emotional quotient (E.Q.) and for spiritual quotient (S.Q.).

    Austrian Scientist Rudolf Steiner says,

    “Just as an age was once ready to receive the Copernican theory of the universe, so is our age ready for the idea of reincarnation to be brought into the general consciousness of humanity”.

  15. krishna says

    CONTINUED FROM PART III

    Reincarnation Changing Bodies-IV

    Body = A Dream?

    Many philosophers say that the body is like a dream. Have you heard that before? What does that practically mean? Actually, we can experience that every night. When we dream, our body lies on the bed, but we go somewhere else. In this way we all experience that our real identity is separate from this body. When we dream we forget the body lying on the bed. We act in different bodies and in different locations. Similarly, during the day we forget our dream bodies in which we traveled to so many places. Perhaps, in our dream bodies, we flew in the sky. At night we forget our waking body, and in the daytime we forget our dream body. But our conscious self, the soul, still exists, and we remain aware of our existence in both bodies. Therefore, we must conclude that we are not any of these bodies. For some time we exist in a certain body, then at death we forget it. So the body is really only a mental structure, somewhat like a dream, but the self is different from all of these mental structures. That is self-realization. In Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna says,

    indriyani parany ahur
    indriyebhyah param manah
    manasas tu para buddhir
    yo buddheh paratas tu sah

    “The working senses are superior to dull matter; mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and he (the soul) is even higher than the intelligence.” (3.42)

    Now, besides all these there is another concept called as the false ego which is present in the body and very much felt by all of us. A question may arise. What is this ‘false ego’? Is there something called as the ‘real ego’? If yes, then is this real ego the soul itself? The answer is yes. Yes, the soul is the pure ego. For instance, if someone has a eighty year- old Indian body, and has this false ego that thinks, “I am Indian,” “I am this body.” This is a misconception. Someday this temporary body will vanish and I’ll get another temporary body. It’s just a temporary illusion. The reality is that the soul, based on its desires and activities, transmigrates from one body to another.

    Now, can consciousness exist apart from the material body? What do you think? As a matter of fact, yes. Pure consciousness, the soul, does not need a material body. For instance, when you dream, you forget your present body, but you still remain conscious. The soul, the consciousness, is like water; water is pure, but as soon as it falls from the sky and touches the ground, it becomes muddy.

    Similarly, we are spirit souls, we are pure, but as soon as we leave the spiritual world and come in contact with these material bodies, our consciousness becomes covered. The consciousness remains pure, but now it is covered by mud (this body). And this is why people are fighting. They are wrongly identifying with the body, thinking, “I am German,” “I am English,” “I am black,” “I am white,” “I am this,” “I am that” – - so many bodily designations. These bodily designations are impurities. This is why artists sculpt or paint nude figures. In France, for example, they regard nakedness as “pure” art. Similarly, when you understand the “nakedness,” or true condition, of the spirit soul — without these bodily designations — that is purity.

    TO BE CONTINUED…………………

  16. krishna says

    CONTINUED FROM PART IV………….

    Reincarnation Changing Bodies-V

    Easy to Understand

    In spite of having learnt so much, still why it appears to be so difficult to understand that one is different from the body? It is actually not at all difficult. You can experience it. It is only because of foolishness that people think differently; but everyone really knows, “I am not this body.” This is very easy to experience. I am existing. I understand that I have existed in a baby’s body; I have existed in a child’s body, and also in a boy’s body. I have existed in so many bodies, and now I am in an old man’s body. Or, for example, say you have now put on a black coat. The next moment you may put on a white coat. But you are not that black or white coat; you have simply changed coats. If someone calls you “Mr. Black Coat”, that is his foolishness. Similarly, in our lifetimes we have changed bodies many times, but we are not any of these bodies. This is real knowledge.

    And yet isn’t there a difficulty? For instance, you may have already intellectually understood very well that you are not the body — but you may still have the fear of death. Doesn’t that mean you didn’t understand it by experience? As soon as you’ve understood by experience, you should have no fear of death, because you know that you can’t really die. Many people have such reservations, so to say, regarding understanding philosophical aspects. Experience is actually something that is received from a higher authority, from someone who has higher knowledge. Instead of you trying to experience for years and years that you are not this body, you can take the knowledge from God, or Krishna, the perfect source. Then you have experienced your deathlessness by hearing from a bona fide authority. That is perfect.

    Therefore, the Vedic instruction is tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. “In order to get first-class experience of the perfection of life, you must approach a guru.” And who is a guru? Whom should I approach? I should approach someone who has heard perfectly from his guru. This is called disciplic succession. I hear from a perfect person, and I distribute the knowledge in the same way, without any change. Lord Krishna gives us knowledge in Bhagavad Gita, and we distribute the same knowledge, without changing it.

    Over the past twenty or thirty years there has been a great awakening of interest in spiritual topics in the Western part of the world. But, on the other hand, if the scientists want to eliminate the human self, they are well on the way to doing it with their atomic bombs and other technical innovations. If they want to guide humanity to some higher goal, however, then they have to stop looking at man in a materialistic way through their scientific spectacles. They must look at us as we are — conscious selves. Only then there can be real peace. Looking at man in a materialistic way is the root of terrorism. People feel that this life is the only life one gets to live. So do what you want. This creates a psychology called as hedonism. Hedonism refers to the idea: do any damn thing you like as you have got only one life to live. This is where the problem starts. People should realize that there is much more to life than just mindless self-indulgence. If people just realize this basic understanding of life, the earth will rid itself of all negative elements of society. This is the power of real knowledge. And such concepts are not taught anywhere. Our education system today is a failure. Hardly is there any system which explains you these basic points. So please take full advantage of this website which has been specifically designed to educate the masses of the world and India in particular.

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  17. mythinking says

    Nice website to earn money…and also well sponserd by anti-islamic agents..it seems..why don’t you highlight good things about vedas..why r u talking against about islam..it seems u r paid propaganda website…u is paying you…???u r spoiling the names of Vedas…shame..Shame..

    • Amitesh says

      WOW ! My madarsaa friend finally got it right . This site is indeed funded by Saudi Arabia (Wahabis) to crush the rest 71 versions of Islam . Don’t you know they recently had a pact with Israel which allowed them to use their air space to bomb Iran

      • mythinking says

        Hey Hey Hey..u ignorant guys….admin of this site is paid to talk nagative about islam u r fearful of islam…stupids…negative mindsets…hey hey hey..

        • Amitesh says

          Hey hey hey….. which Angel revealed to you this divine info ? Was it a bout of epilepsy or a ride on Buraq that you go this info from ……hey hey hey

          • mythinking says

            You stupid…its being tracked….for all the financial transactions…soon admin will be caught…

          • Vajra says

            mythinking
            Caught by whom? Your total history is filled with threatening others and lying. Send your messenger to admin and get his brain rework again. We will anyway welcome anyone from Madarsa tracking us!

    • sanatanaakki says

      there are lots of sites that teach us about vedas…go there to learn vedas…….oh sorry i forgot u dont know any..and came here …….baap ko sikhane aaya hai……..

    • pathik Arya says

      Mr. My Thinking @ to me u sound to be like other irrational and illogical persons having below average and sub-standard IQ.
      u further appear to be and hv proved that u r a person filled with inherent prejudice.
      Instead of answering the Article and trying to get the dep meaning of the same, u question the bona-fide of this enlightening ARTICLE.
      even ur allah cant save u from Ignorance since u hv decided to live and die with it.
      May the almighty show u the path of Light.
      Om Shanti..Shanti..shanti…

    • AD says

      First go and see what Zakir Naik and other muslim scholars are saying about hinduism… Look at urself first.

  18. Abdullah Madani says

    Dear Brother who wrote this artcle.

    I will answer your question one by one inshaallah.

    Please note that I am not a scholar not maulana. I am a simple Muslim 17 yrs old and I will answer from the facts which I personally read and know about Islam, Quran and Sahih- Hadith. This answers should not be taken as the answers of whole muslim community but personally mine and i am alone responsibile for it.

    Question 1- Islam does not believe in worship of One and Only One God/Allah.
    Answer 1- Islam is very strict monotheism.
    Our kalam is that’ There is no god accept Allah and Muhammad is his messenger’.
    Allah(God) says many times in Quran that you should worship only one God that is Allah(God).
    Not a single Muslim which I know worship Muhammad(pbuh). We consider him the Last and the final Prophet of Almighty. We consider him the best human who ever lived on this earth. Nowhere it is mentioned in Quran that Muslims should worship or seek help from Muhammad(pbuh).In Quran Allah(God) says that he has chosen Muhammad(pbuh) amongst us or within us to deliver the message of Allah(God)

    If you still insist that we worship Muhammad(pbuh) that please provide proof with Quotation from either Quran or Sahih-Hadith.

    And i must tell you that if any muslim worship anyone accept Allah either it be Muhammad(pbuh),Jesus Christ(pbuh) etc then he is not a Muslim.

    Quaetion 2-Islam does not believe in formless God/Allah
    Answer 2- I can anwer this by quoting one surah that is Surah Ikhlas

    112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
    Qul huwa Allahu ahadun

    112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
    Allahu alssamadu

    112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
    Lam yalid walam yooladu

    112:4 And there is none like unto Him.
    Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahadun

    Note that in versre no. 4 it says that there is no one like him. It means that you cannot compare Allah(God) with anything or anyform.

    e.g. If you say that anythig let it be ‘X’ has a form then you can compare it with ‘Y’ which is similar to it.For Example you can say that Hanuman was 1000 times powerful then Great Khaili or Arnold.

    But we muslims cannot compare Almighty to anyone. So it proves that We muslims considers Allah formless.

    I didn not know from where you are saying without quotation that He(God) is like a giant amoeba who keeps changing shape and has boundaries.

    Question 3-Quran clearly believes in rebirth
    Answer 3- Believing in Rebirth is of two types one is that to believe that after the death in this present birth we will we resurrected by God and he will deliver his Judgement about the deeds and believe in this life and then we will go in Heaven or Hell accorrding to our deeds and believe.Other is that after the death we will born again in this world in another body 6 more times i.e. total of 7 Births or Janams.

    Muslims believe in the first one that after the death in this world we will be resurrected by God and he will deliver his judgement then we will go to Heaven or Hell and their we will live forever. So we will live in this world only one time not seven times.

    About Muhammad(pbuh) saying -
    He says that he wishes to slain(killed) in the way of Allah and then brought to life then again slain in the way of Allah and then brought to life then again slain in the way of Allah.

    This shows his devotion to Allah and his love for giving his life for Allah’s will again and agian.This clearly has nothing to do with the theory of 7 times Birth or 7 Janams.

    So please from your neutral ming clear the doubtd about Islam and Muhammad(pbuh)

    Question 4- Quran is not available in original form and it is impossible to find original Quran composed by Muhammad.

    Answer- From where you hear this thing that Quran is not available in its original form.

    First of all I want to make clear that Quran was not written by Muhammad(pbuh) it was revealed on Muhammad(pbuh) by Allah(God).Also you should know that Prophet was illiterate he was not able to read and write.

    Now for your question let me give you some background – When Quran was revealed by Allah(God) to Muhammad(pbuh) he would memorize it and it was immeditely memorized and written down by his companions on leave, stone etc and every year in the month of Ramadhan angle Gabriel comes to Prophet and Prophet recites the Quran to him and check it and in last year of his life it was recited two time by Prophet to Angle Gabriel. But in written form it was not yet collected.

    After his death in Caliph Abu Bakr’s time Quran was collect in written form because many companions who have memeorized full Quran was killed in battle against some enemies of Islam not by Caliph.

    Then in the time of 3rd Caliph Usman there were many accent versions of quran which means that Quaran was the same but peoples of different tribes used to recite it in differnt ways just like US English is spoken differently tehn England Enlish but English remains English simlarly the text was same as it was revealed to Muhammad(pbuh). So he gathered all the versions and also took the version from Prophet Wife on which all agreed and he protect it and burned all the remianing versions.And it was distributed among all countries.It was done so that all Muslim should have only one version and their would not be fighting amongst muslims about the different types of recitation of Quran.So the text of Quran always remains same .

    And Quran can never be changed because it is in the heaet of millions of muslims who has memorized it word by word and Allah himself have taken the reponsibility of protecting it.

    So, brother these are answeres to your questions according to me.

    I advise you and all Non-Muslims Brothers and Sisters to read Quaran and Sahih-Hadith by themselves with their own eye and to not listen to persons who want to propogate false about Islam.

    Both Quran and Sahih-Hadith(Sahih-Al Bukhari, Sahih-Al Muslim) are availbe on internet and market so please read it research about the miracles and scientific facts in Quran and then choice is yours.

    • Vajra says

      Dear Brother Abdullah Madni
      Namaste,
      I would remind you first that no question has been asked in the article. So correct yourself. The points made in the articles have been provided with the corresponding links which have whole list of articles in support of those points. So instead of quoting few verses from here and there, please go to every article given with each point and refute those.

      And I must appreciate your zeal and enthusiasm although you are not enough matured and knowledgeable to debate on Islam or Hinduism. Nevertheless keep practicing and get sharpened your analytical and logical skills which are very useful for the one searching for truth.

      best regards

      • says

        Dear Brothr Vajra

        I am matured enough to debate with you any time.I have found the truth and I am not a person who does blind believe.

        I can prove you that Islam is only true religion ,Quran is the final word of God and Muhammad(pbuh) is final messenger of God.

        So ask me a question and then test my maturity.

        Thanks
        Abdullah

        • Amitesh says

          Brother Abdullah,

          what truth have you found in Islam. Pls elaborate. I shall be glad to accept it if it indeed withstands tests with facts and logics.

          Pls prove that quran is final word of god .

          BTW, am still waiting for you to tell me 5 good things for which you converted to islam, which was not there in vedic dharm

          • Abdullah says

            Dear Brother Amitesh

            Brother, I have not converted to Islam I am a born Muslim.

            I am very happy that there is someone there who want to listen about true Islam.

            If you want to know about Islam then please send me your E-Mail ID or mail me at amabdullahk@rediffmal.com. Then we can have many discussions as much you like.

            I will 100% prove that Quran is God’s word.

            Thanks
            Adbullah
            amabdullahk@rediffmail.com

          • KalBhairav says

            Bro Abdullah:

            I am assuming you are a Muslim located in the Indian subcontinent. Please prove that you would have found Quran/Islam had it not been for Mughal Invasions. Otherwise, it is just an accident of history and geography that your ancestors were told “Convert or die, your dirty Kuffars” by the Mughals. Or else, they may have found the jaziya (tax to be exclusively paid by non-Muslims in a Muslim-majority country for their so-called “protection”) a bit too high and then said, ok, let us just convert to Islam so that we dont have to pay this tax. Here you are, some x number of generations later, claiming to have found a (non-existent) truth. Where is the first ancestor of yours that was forced to convert to Islam now, roasting in the hell-fires lit by Satan? Sorry to break it to you…Islam is false with no truth in it whatsoever. You dont need to bow down 5 times a day in the general direction of Saudi Arabia to feel “God”. It is to be found everywhere…even within you itself. Think for yourself…dont just blindly accept whatever is force-fed to you.

          • Abdullah says

            Dear Brother Kal Bhai Rav

            Yes, I am Muslim located in sub-continent.

            Islam is spreaded all over the world.Every where you can find Islam,Muslims and Quran so it is senseless argument for asking me that how should I have founded Quran if Mughal Invasion not happended.

            Now let me give you some glimpse of History-

            Contrary to popular belief, Islam came to South Asia prior to Muslim invasions of India. Islamic influence first came to be felt in the early 7th century with the advent of Arab traders

            According to Historians Elliot and Dowson in their book The History of India as told by its own Historians, the first ship bearing Muslim travelers was seen on the Indian coast as early as 630 AD. H.G. Rawlinson, in his book: Ancient and Medieval History of India[29] claims the first Arab Muslims settled on the Indian coast in the last part of the 7th century AD.

            The first Indian mosque is thought to have been built in 629 A.D, purportedly at the behest of Rama Varma Kulashekhara, who is considered the first Indian Muslim, during the life time of Muhammad (c. 571–632) in Kodungallur, Kerala by Malik Bin Deenar.[34][35

            But Mughal invasion began in 1526, invaded and ruled most of India by the late 17th and early 18th centuries, and ended in the mid-19th century.

            So this also prove your argument wrong that if Mughal invasion has not occured I would not have foung Islam or Quran.Islam was well before in India then Mughal Invasions.

            Another misconception is that Islam has spread with sword.Which is absolutely falsehood.There maybe some rulers who does not knows the complete teachings of Islam and have force someone to accept Islam.But as whole Islam has not spread forcefully.
            Below is quotes from some great Non-Mulim personality so you can know the truth-

            Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

            Indian thinker, statesman, and nationalist leader.
            I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind.I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble.

            *Young India* (periodical), 1928, Volume X

            Pandit Gyanandra

            The critics are blind. They cannot see that the only ‘sword’ Muhammad wielded was the sword of mercy, compassion, friendship and forgiveness - the sword that conquers enemies and purifies their hearts. His sword was sharper than the sword of steel. But the biased critics of Islam are prejudicial and partisan, who are narrow minded and whose eyes are covered by a veil of ignorance. They see fire instead of light, ugliness instead of beauty and evil instead of good. They distort and present every good quality as a great vice. It reflects their own depravity. [Pandit Gyanandra Dev Sharma Shastri]

            K. S. Ramakrishna Rao in ‘Mohammed: The Prophet of Islam,’ 1989

            My problem to write this monograph is easier, because we are not generally fed now on that (distorted) kind of history and much time need not be spent on pointing out our misrepresentations of Islam. The theory of Islam and sword, for instance, is not heard now in any quarter worth the name. The principle of Islam that “there is no compulsion in religion” is well known

            There are several honest and unbiased non-Muslim historians who have acclaimed that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the best human being.

            Edward Gibbon

            (1737-1794) considered the greatest British historian of his time.
            The greatest success of Mohammad’s life was affected by sheer moral force without the stroke of a sword.

            *History Of The Saracen Empire*, London, 1870

            M.H. Hyndman

            It was the West, not Islam, which forbade the open discussion of religious matters. At the time of the Crusades, Europe seemed obsessed by a craving for intellectual conformity and punished its deviants with a zeal that has been unique in the history of religion. The witch-hunts of the inquisitors and the persecution of Protestants by the Catholics and vice versa were inspired by abstruse theological opinions which in both Judaism and Islam were seen as private and optional matters. Neither Judaism nor Islam share the Christian conception of heresy, which raises human ideas about the divine to an unacceptably high level and almost makes them a form of idolatry. The period of the Crusades, when the fictional Mahound was established, was also a time of the great strain and denial in Europe. This is graphically expressed in the phobia about Islam.

            Ever since the Crusades, people in the west have seen the prophet Muhammad as a sinister figure. During the 12th century, Christians were fighting brutal holy wars against Muslims, even though Jesus had told his followers to love their enemies, not to exterminate them. The scholar monks of Europe stigmatized Muhammad as a cruel warlord who established the false religion of Islam by the sword. They also, with ill-concealed envy, berated him as a lecher and sexual pervert at a time when the popes were attempting to impose celibacy on the reluctant clergy. Our Islamophobia became entwined with our chronic anti-Semitism; Jews and Muslims, the victims of the crusaders, became the shadow self of Europe, the enemies of decent civilization and the opposite of ”us”. [Karen Armstrong - Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet]

            Huston Smith

            Muhammad adhered meticulously to the charter he forged for Medina, which – grounded as it was in the Quranic injunction, “Let there be no compulsion in religion” (2:256) – is arguably the first mandate for religious tolerance in human history. [Huston Smith]

            Sir Thomas Carlyle

            A man of truth and fidelity, true in what he did, in what he speaks and thought – this is the only sort of speech worth speaking. [Sir Thomas Carlyle, British author]

            A man of truth and fidelity, true in what he did, in what he speaks and thought – this is the only sort of speech worth speaking. [Sir Thomas Carlyle, British author]

            The lies that we (Christians) have heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only. [Thomas Carlyle]

            The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can. [Thomas Carlyle]

            I like Muhammad for his hypocrisy-free nature…with clear and sound words he addresses the Roman Tsars and Kings of Persia. He guides them to what he loves for them in this life and in the eternal life. [Thomas Carlyle]

            A. S. Tritton in ‘Islam,’ 1951

            The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur’an in the other is quite false.

            De Lacy O’Leary

            De Lacy O’Leary in ‘Islam at the Crossroads,’ London, 1923.
            History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.

            James Michener in ‘Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,’ Reader’s Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70.

            “No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur’an is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience.”

            “Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God’s word sensing his own inadequacy. But the Angel commanded ‘Read’. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: “There is one God”.”

            “In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred and rumors of God ‘s personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, ‘An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human being’.”

            “At Muhammad’s own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: ‘If there are any among you who worshiped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you Worshiped, He lives for ever’.”

            Lawrence E. Browne in ‘The Prospects of Islam,’ 1944

            Incidentally these well-established facts dispose of the idea so widely fostered in Christian writings that the Muslims, wherever they went, forced people to accept Islam at the point of the sword.

            So I think these points are clear enough to prove that Islam has not spread with sword anywhere not in Arabia,Persia,India,Europe etc.

            We Muslims bow in direction of Kaaba because by doing so there is no dispute within Muslims to which direction we should pray and it is also for the unity of Muslims.Any Muslim of any caste or group pray towards Kaaba so it proves it.

            Please make sure that Muslims did not worship Kaaba or Black Stone it is only a common direction.

            I am not blind believer.Nothing is force-fed to me.

            I welcome you to one true religion of Almighty God,humanity ISLAM.

            Thanks
            Abdullah

        • Vajra says

          Brother Abdullah Namaste
          I ask you five questions. Get the answers of these five from any Aalim on the earth and get me converted to Islam the same day. But I want same promise from you also. If you could not answer those logically, you will start thinking beyond Quran and come back to Vedas if possible. My questions are

          1. Why did Allah create us?
          2. Why did He change His very nature to “remain alone” suddenly?
          3. Why did Allah write Lohe Mehfooz and froze everyone’s fate even before creating the people?
          4. Can Allah almighty do everything? I mean kill Himself, become fool or less capable, sinner etc?
          5. Why do Hadith equate women and non believers to dog, ass and even pig?

          Thanks

          PS: Please avoid giving your answers of the forms “Allah knows the best” or “I am not Allah only Allah can tell this” or “Quran is Allah’s book” or “we cant question Allah” etc.

          • Abdullah Khan says

            Dear Brother Vajra

            My purpose of this discussion is only to tell you the truth if you find it true then accept it .The choice is yours.I am not forcing you to convert so you also should not force me to convert.

            I will answer your all five question InshaAllah.

            Question-1-Why did Allah create us?
            Answer-The purpose for the creation of mankind is worship.

            From the perspective of humankind, the question “Why did God create man?” implies “For what purpose was man created?”

            In the final revelation (the Quran), this question is answered without any ambiguity. Humans are first informed by God that every human being is born with an innate consciousness of God. In the Quran, God said:

            “[Remember] when your Lord extracted from the loins of Adam’s children their descendants and made them testify [saying]: ‘Am I not your Lord?’ They said: ‘Yes, we testify to it.’ [This was] in case you say on the Day of Judgment: ‘We were unaware of this.’ Or you say: ‘It was our ancestors who worshipped others besides God and we are only their descendants. Will you then destroy us for what those liars did?’” (Quran 7:172)

            The Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, explained that when God created Adam, He took from him a covenant at a place called Na,maan on the 9th day of the 12th month. He then extracted from Adam all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation, and spread them out before Him to take a covenant from them also. He spoke to them, face to face, making them bear witness that He was their Lord. Consequently, every human being is responsible for belief in God, which is imprinted on each and every soul. It is based on this inborn belief that God defined the purpose of mankind’s creation in Quran:

            “I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship.” (Quran 51:56)

            Thus, the essential purpose for which humankind was created is the worship of God. However, the Almighty is not in need of human worship. He did not create human beings out of a need on His part. If not a single human worshipped God, it would not diminish His glory in any way, and if all of humankind worshipped Him, it would not increase His glory in any way. God is perfect. He alone exists without any needs. All created beings have needs. Consequently, it is humankind that needs to worship God.

            The Meaning of Worship
            To understand why human beings need to worship God, one must first understand what is meant by the term ‘worship.’ The English term ‘worship’ comes from the Old English weorthscipe meaning ‘honor.’ Consequently, worship in the English language is defined as ‘the performance of devotional acts in honor of a deity.’ According to this meaning, man is instructed to show gratitude to God by glorifying Him. In the Quran, God says:

            “Glorify the praises of your Lord…” (Quran 15:98)

            In glorifying God, man chooses to be in harmony with the rest of creation which naturally glorifies its Creator. God addresses this phenomenon in many chapters of the Quran. For example, in the Quran, God states:

            “The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them glorify Him and there is nothing which does not glorify His praise. However, you do not understand their glorification.” (Quran 17:44)

            However, in Arabic, the language of the final revelation, worship is called ‘ibaadah, which is closely related to the noun ‘abd, meaning ‘a slave.’ A slave is one who is expected to do whatever his master wills. Consequently, worship, according to the final revelation, means ‘obedient submission to the will of God.’ This was the essence of the message of all the prophets sent by God to mankind.Consequently, obedience to divine law is the foundation of worship. In this sense, glorification also becomes worship when humans choose to obey God’s instructions regarding His glorification

            The Need for Worship

            Why do human beings need to worship and glorify God by obeying the divinely revealed laws? Because obedience to divine law is the key to success in this life and the next. The first human beings, Adam and Eve,were created in paradise and later expelled from paradise for disobeying the divine law. The only way for human beings to return to paradise is by obedience to the law.Divine laws represent guidance for humankind in all walks of life. They define right and wrong for them and offer human beings a complete system governing all of their affairs. The Creator alone knows best what is beneficial for His creation and what is not. The divine laws command and prohibit various acts and substances to protect the human spirit, the human body and human society from harm. In order for human beings to fulfill their potential by living righteous lives, they need to worship God through obedience to His commandments.

            Question-2-Why did He change His very nature to “remain alone” suddenly?

            Answer-2- The counter question can be posed that, then, why He EVER created? Why He Ever executed His power of creation?
            Nothing controls Allah. He execute His will as suits His majesty and when he wants.
            This question somewhat have similar answer to Question No.1.So read it again.

            Question-3-Why did Allah write Lohe Mehfooz and froze everyone’s fate even before creating the people?
            Answer-3-Vajra I think you had a misconception about Lohe Mehfooz or Qadar(Predestination) in Islam.

            Let me try to clear it-

            Definition of Qadar(Predestination)-

            Destiny is what Allah has decreed. Allah has knowledge of everything in His creation. Nothing occurs except by His will. Human beings are given free will, and it must be made clear that destiny does not have a cause-and-effect influence of the choices humans make. The choices that humans make are all within Allah’s knowledge.

            Concept of Qadar(Predestination)-

            Muslims believe that the divine destiny is when God wrote down in the Preserved Tablet ( Lohe Mehfooz) all that has happened and will happen, which will come to pass as written.

            According to this belief, a person’s action is not caused by what is written in the Preserved Tablet but, rather, the action is written in the Preserved Tablet because God already knows all occurrences without the restrictions of time.

            Also,another perspective is that that God is omniscient and therefore has foreknowledge of all possible futures. With divine power, God then also deems which futures will be allowed, and man’s choice is between those possibilities approved by God

            An individual has power to choose, but since God created time and space he knows what will happen. God is without any bond of time and space so what will happen has only meaning to humans, who are limited in time and space. An analogy is with someone who watches a movie for the second time, who knows what will happen next, while for the first time watcher the next move is unknown

            Belief in al-Qadar(Predestination) is based on four things

            1.Al-’Alam – Knowledge: i.e., that Allah knows what His creation will do, by virtue of His eternal knowledge, including their choices that will take place.

            2. Kitabat – Writing: i.e., that Allah has written every thing that exists including the destiny of all creatures in al-Lawh al-Mahfuud prior to creation.

            3.– Mashii’at – Will: i.e., that what Allah wills happens and what He does not will does not happen. There is no movement in the heavens or on earth but it happens by His will. This does not mean that He forces things to happen the way they happen in the area of human beings’ voluntary actions. It means that He knew what they will chose, wrote it and let it happen.

            4. Al-Khalaq – Creation and formation: i.e., that Allah is the Creator of all things, including the actions of His servants. They do their actions in a real sense, and Allah is the Creator of them and of their actions.

            But,
            Our supplications do change destiny and are of much avail.
            Good deeds are a source of increase in ones sustenance, and avert calamities.
            Sins result in a decrease in ones sustenance, and invite calamities

            Summary-Allah is so knowledgeable that he knows what choice Human beings will make in future because Allah is the creater of Human beings and their actions.Human Beings are given free will but what will they chose or do in their life Allah knows in advances because again Allah has all the knowledge of what will happen in future.Allah had wrote Lohe Mefooz because he knows in advance what human beings will do in their lives.An
            individual has power to choose, but since God created time and space he knows in advance what will happen.This does not mean that He forces things to happen the way they happen in the area of human beings’voluntary actions. It means that He knew what they will chose, wrote it and let it happen.

            Please read the Hadith given below,I think it will clear your mind furturemore,

            Narrated By ‘Ali : While we were in a funeral procession in Baqi Al-Gharqad, Allah’s Apostle came and sat down, and we sat around him. He had a small stick in his hand and he bent his head and started scraping the ground with it. He then said, “There is none among you, and no created soul but has his place written for him either in Paradise or in the Hell-Fire, and also has his happy or miserable fate (in the Hereafter) written for him.” A man said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we depend upon what is written for us and give up doing (good) deeds? For whoever among us is destined to be fortunate (in the Hereafter), will join the fortunate peoples and whoever among us is destined to be miserable will do such deeds as are characteristic of the people who are destined to misery.” The Prophet said, “Those who are destined to be happy (in the Hereafter) will find it easy and pleasant to do the deeds characteristic of those destined to happiness, while those who are to be among the miserable (in the Hereafter), will find it easy to do the deeds characteristic of those destined to misery.”
            Then he recited: ‘As for him who gives (in charity) and keeps his duty to Allah and believes in the Best reward from Allah, We will make smooth for him the path of ease. But he who is a greedy miser and thinks himself selfsufficient, and gives the lie to the Best reward from Allah we will make smooth for him the path for evil.’ (Quran, 92.5-10).

            (Bukhari, Volume 6, Hadith Number 473).

            Question-4-Can Allah almighty do everything? I mean kill Himself, become fool or less capable, sinner etc?

            Answer-4-Yes,Allah Almighty has power to do everything.But he will not kill himself because the moment he will kill himself he cant be God because God did not die.He will not become fool because the moment he becomefool he contradicts to be God because Almighty God did not become fool.He will not sin because the moment he sin he ceases to be God because Almighty God cannot sin.

            God can only do Godly things and God cannot do Ungodly things.

            So,Almighty God will never do Ungodly things because the moment he do ungodly thing he ceases to be God.

            Question-5-Why do Hadith equate women and non believers to dog, ass and even pig?
            Answer-5-Please kindly quote me Sahih-Hadith with proper reference which equate women to dog,ass or pig.I dont know of any hadith of such type.

            Regarding Non-Believers-
            Again,Please quote me Sahih-Hadith with proper reference which equate Non-Believers to ass or pig.

            Then only I will answer your question correctly.

            Now my questions to you about Vedas-

            Question-1-How can you prove that Vedas are word of God without any human interventions or human writing.
            To whom( i mean which saint,rishi or prophet) they were revealed.And when they were revealed.

            Question-2-Why their are Scientific Errors in Vedas if they are the words of God.

            We know today that the earth revolves and rotates and is not fixed. But according to vedas earth is fixed:

            -Rig Veda 2.12.2-He who fixed fast and firm the earth that staggered, and set at rest the agitated mountains
            -Rig Veda 10.121.1- IN the beginning rose Hiranyagarbha, born Only Lord of all created beings.He fixed and holdeth up this earth and heaven. What God shall we adore with our oblation?
            -Rig Veda 10.173.4-Firm is the sky and firm the earth, and stedfast also are these hills.Stedfast is all this living world, and stedfast is this King of men.
            -Yajur Veda 5:16-Both these worlds, Vishnu, hast thou stayed asunder, and
            firmly fixed the earth with pegs around it.
            -Yajur Veda 32:6- By whom the heavens are strong and earth stands firmly,
            by whom light’s realm and sky-vault are supported;
            -Atharva Veda 12.1.17-Kind, ever gracious be the Earth we tread on, the firm Earth,

            -Yajur Veda 4.30-The Bull hath propped the sky and air’s mid-region, the
            compass of the broad earth hath he measured.

            Is this verse scientific in any sense.

            And their are many more.

            Please in your answer did not provide your own translation.If you want to convince me that this translation is incorrect then provide translation of a scholar by giving me an online link where i can check the correct translation.Because I dont know whether you or Agniveer are scholars or not.And saying translation is incorrect is very old trick to escape from truth so please give another excuse.

            Quetion-3-Why their accounts of Incest and Pornography in Veads if they are the words of God.

            Reference-Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7.(these are hidded by many scholars and translators).
            I didnt feel appropiate to give verses here because they could be very disturbing for my Hindu Brothers.

            Rig Veda-1.71.5.When man poured juice to Heaven, the mighty Father, he knew and freed himself from close embracement.The archer boldly shot at him his arrow, and the God threw his splendour on his Daughter

            Rig Veda-1.164.33- Dyaus is my Father, my begetter: kinship is here. This great earth is my kin and Mother.Between the wide-spread world-halves is the birth-place: the Father laid the Daughter’s germ within it.

            Yama and Yami(Brother ans Sister) Incest in Rig Veda Book 10.10.7-14

            Pushan is the lover of his sister in Rig-Veda 6.55.4-Pūsan, who driveth goats for steeds, the strong and Mighty, who is called His Sister’s lover, will we laud.

            Agni is the lover of his own sister in Rig-Veda 10.3.3-Attendant on the Blessed Dame the Blessed hath come: the Lover followeth his Sister.

            Rig Veda 3.31.1-WISE, teaching, following the thought of Order, the sonless gained a grandson from his daughter.

            By giving these references my purpose is not to insult you or Vedas but my purpose is to tell you that book claiming from God cannot contain such pornographical accounts.

            Please in your answer did not provide your own translation.If you want to convince me that this translation is incorrect then provide translation of a scholar by giving me an online link where i can check the correct translation.Because I dont know whether you or Agniveer are scholars or not.And saying translation is incorrect is very old trick to escape from truth so please give another excuse.

            Question-4-Why Vedic gOD Brahma needs sex and even with his own daughter Saraswati.Similarly Vishnu and Shiva why they need sex because now I ask you Did Almighty God needs sex.

            Question-5-Who is biggest God is it Brahma or Vishnu or Shiva?Because God is one and not three equals.

            From now you should ask only Three question at a time I will also ask three question at a time.

            Thanks
            Abdullah Khan

          • Vajra says

            Abdullah Khan
            Namaste
            You wrote- “My purpose of this discussion is only to tell you the truth if you find it true then accept it”

            Brother, I ask you- “I am putting forward the truth, if you find it true, will you accept it?” How will you decide who’s truth is actual truth and whose a myth? You assume yourself to be someone who can only give or tell, not take or listen. Please come out of this superiority complex and start talking logical. Lets decide logically who has the truth and not assume from starting that you are ultimate and opponent is a looser. Please write once that truth can be on either side. Anyway I reply to your post by assuming that you will show the spirit of discussion by leaving the attitude of a headmaster!

            1. I asked about the purpose of Allah behind creation and not of humans as humans did not exist before creation! If you say He created us to worship Him, it proves that Allah has desires and thus He is not perfect. Purpose can be for either Allah or humans. If Allah had no purpose for himself and humans did not exist at that time, there would not be any creation because there was no one who could be benefited by this purpose! It is like I make a ball and say I have made it hard so that it would not get soft! One will ask, why did you make it in first place? Softness or hardness depends on purpose of the manufacturer and not on ball itself because ball was not meant for itself but for manufacturer! Similarly anything which is created has some purpose for already existing entity. Otherwise we have to say, “humans were created to benefit humans” which is completely illogical statement.

            2. “Nothing controls Allah. He execute His will as suits His majesty and when he wants.”

            This is what I requested not to do earlier! Answer the question and please dont run away. If Islam does not know the answer, ask Vedas the same question and then see what answer you get! In short, I dont know about Allah of Quran but Allah of Vedas controls Himself as He is the best controller. He does not want anything because He is perfect. He does not have any will. He does not get changed with time. He does not think of anything irrational and illogical. Whatever is best, He does it all time and whatever is not, He never does it. Anyway, please try to answer it or ask me for the Vedic view if you want to know.

            3. Your own quote proves that whatever is happening is all Allah’s will-

            “what Allah wills happens and what He does not will does not happen. There is no movement in the heavens or on earth but it happens by His will.”

            So my question still stands, if Allah could will better than this, why so many worries for some and happiness for others, Eeman for some and Kufra for others? BTW, I asked this question in the context that for whom did Allah write Lohe Mehfooz? Since only Allah has access to it, it seems to be created for Allah himself! Now question comes, why was there need to write? Was Allah not sure of his memory? Did Allah know everything from infinite time or these things came into His mind suddenly? If He knew it from begginningless time then why did He write it that time and not before that? If all happened suddenly, Allah is not all knowing because His knowledge changes with time!

            4. Your answer 4 is really amusing. Let me show you the contradiction in your own writing. You wrote-

            “Yes, Allah Almighty has power to do everything…. God can only do Godly things and God cannot do Ungodly things…..”

            Brother do I need to say something on this? Let me ask you a question- Does God have power to do ungodly things and still be God? My purpose of all this is just to convey that true God is unchangeable and does not wish anything. He will either create or not create depending upon what is best just like Vedic God, who creates and destroys, creates an destroys and this cycle goes on and on. Its not like Allah of Quran whose first half went without creating anyone and now second half will have all humans, hell and heaven. This kind of shaky behavior does not suit God.

            5. Please ensure me that you will condemn Quran and Hadith for degrading non believers and women if I show you the same.

            Now Answers about Vedas

            1. We have tools like logic, common sense etc to judge some book to be right or wrong. Vedas are logical and you can test it anytime. Ask us any Mantra which you feel gives immoral or non scientific teachings. We will see it and tell you its meaning. Even if some day something is found opposite to morality in Vedas, we will reject it. But it has not happened till now, you can try. Vedas were given to four Rishis in the starting of human life, there names were Agni, Vayu, Aditya, and Angira.

            2. Please visit http://agniveer.com/3050/scientific-errors-in-hinduism/ to know the correct translation of these Mantras by scholars of Agniveer. BTW who told you that old trick does not work in present? Of course the translations you gave are from Griffith who was a well known Christian Missionary whose intention was to malign Vedas with his dirty efforts. I ask you, will you accept the translation of Quran by any Jew or Agniveer correct? If no, why should I believe Griffith just because you have found his translation?

            3. Please name those Vedic scholars who have hided the meanings of these Mantras? Anyway, get correct translations of these Mantras on http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org.
            Now one question for you- Since all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve were brother and sister mutually, how could they manage to get their next generation? Now you should accept that not Vedas but Islam believes incest to be a moral act! What say?

            4 and 5. There is nothing like that. No Mantras talks of such stories. If you have, please give those Mantras. God is one as per Vedas, so no question of three Gods. Rather I can ask you that you have to believe in Muhammad in addition to Allah to get Jannat! Believing in Allah alone will not help you. Now tell me Brother, not believing in Allah and not believing in Muhammad have same punishment! Do you still want to talk about equal powers or multiple Gods?

            Anyway, Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, Shiva, Eeshvar, Bhagwan etc are some of God’s names out of his infinite names. Just like Muslims believe in 99 names of Allah and 100 names of Muhammad and that does not mean 99 Allah or 100 Muhammad, same way, Eeshvar is One with infinite names based on His infinite capabilities.

            Thanks

  19. mohit says

    vedas me sab kuchh hai par adhura hai. apke site byarth ho gaya. all dharam is same & we have to make a perfect world with all together.yeh sab vedas me nahi hai.jabki this more important now-a-days. we have to give more importance to humanity not dharam.
    dharam is not any relation with religion. it’s a kind of duty. we have to follow dat. duties of a citizen narrated in our national constitution can be the dharam.duties of a doctor can be da dharam. duties of a minister to da nation can be be da dharam. we have to take modern science & humanity within it. then we get what to do and dont in lyf. science tells us what to do or not. it tells us about the reactions of our every actions.
    it is not important dat how & whom u r worshiping but it is important dat if ur process of worshiping is not hurting others. other means all human & animals living on earth.

    so plzz write about sum topics not hurting others. one of my frnds has became islam- hater reading ur site. u r making da people to hate others. i think dat is not provided in any dharam including vedas. such u r doing paap. so write only about love & humanity & spread it all over da world. write good things of all dharam not only vedas. so dat any one can enjoy it. and make ur site so dharam -frndly dat peoples of diffrent dharam can be frnd and can shear their happiness and tears . and ur site wld be a social network.

    but sabse pehle mere us frnd ko suggestion dijiye ke woh kisi ko hate na kare. Muslim ho ya Hindu ya Cristian kisiko hate na kare.

    • sanatanaakki says

      from where u got the idea that this site is hate site?? This site compares and provides truth, if u want to read truth read it from here. And stop tell us ur philosophy about hating and all..

      first try to understand the difference between truth and hate….u BLIND…

      have fun

    • AD says

      Since when is a rebuttal to some outrageous & outright false & misleading claims by muslims a hate speech? If you want to see what a hate speech is – go read the Quaran. You will find more than 65% (2 out of 3 verses) talking about kafirs (non-muslims). I repeat (2 out of 3 verses)… Over 163 verses asking muslims to do jihad and KILL the kafirs wherever you find them, to subjugate them, to attack until there is no resistance, make them pay the jizya tax, never be friends with them, never have a peace treaty with them when you are in power, and set up Dar-Al Islam (rule of islam) all over the world.

  20. mohit says

    dear, sanatanaakki ji,
    compare karna matlab hota hai ucha -nicha dikhana, achha-bura dikhana. agar aap kisiko ucha dikhate ho to dusre ko na kahke vi aap nicha keh rahe ho. agar ishwar kahi hai to woh kabhi nahi chahenge ke unke santan apasme mera ice-cream bara hai ya mera chocolate achha hai karke ladai kare.dharam bahat uchi chees hai ise ice-cream ki tarha ladai ka saman mat banaiye.
    indian constitution me hai aapko apna dharam aur vishwas narrate karne ka adhikar hai but dusre ke dharam aur vishwas par kuch bhi bad comments karne ka adhikar nahi hai. is site pe kuchh aisi articles published huye hai jinhe padke kuch muslims ko kharab laga hai. kuch hindu khush huye.kuch to muslims aur islam ko hate karne lage hai. inme se ek mere dost hai.

    mai apko koyi philosophy padana nahi chahta hoon. agar mera naam baba ramdev hota to aap mera baat zaroor sunte. but i’m only a man not a hindu – not a muslim.just a common man.

    aapko apne dharam pe ahamkar ho gaya hai .ahamkar kisi bhi chees ke liye nahi karn chahiye including dharam. aap hindu nahi ho ahamkari ho.

    rahi truth ki baat mujhe jitna lagta hai ke –jo sach insan ke liye hani karak hai use bolna nahi chahiye. chupa dena chahiye.

    agar apko dukh pohucha to kshama karna. hey ishwar.

    last of all read swami vivekananda , gandhi, & tagore
    u will realize wat i want to say…

    • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

      @Mohit : This site articles do not portray hate, we here just Discuss Islam and Not MUSLIMS.

      I would suggest you understand the difference between truth and hate, if you fellow human tells you that i will slit the throat of an animal in front of you and then we will eat it together as “god is great” then what will you do…? You have to learn there is no ALL Dharma, there is only one Dharma.

      Dharmo rakshati Rakshitaha.. ( when dharma is protected, it will protect you(else not, both will be destroyed)

      why do you thing that there is asia’s beiggest slaughter house in Deonar Mumbai India, isnt that against the Dharma? so will you say the govt is doing the right dharma as every one is in peace (except the animals)

      bro being righteous DOES NOT mean being a coward and it also does not Mean being a Hater, it means standing by the right and truth (after logically understanding the viewpoint and not blindly following a dogma) and refuting the wrong.

      So advice your friend no to Hate Muslims, they are as good as any other human on this planet.
      but tell him to first strong in vedic ideologies and teachings so that no falsehood/adharma can falter him

      Strength should be used to defend the right and make the wrongs right in a civilized manner.
      N.B. Hate is against Dharma
      om tat Sat

    • sanatanaakki says

      LOL comparison ka matlab na samjhaye….compare karna hai to kisko to bura lagna hi hai…agar aapki family aap ko apne bade bhai se compare karegi to aapko bura lagega….ismei bura lagega bologe aur bologe ki compare na kare yeh to aap ki bevakufi hai….

      mujhe na samjhaye…hum to sahi compare kar rahe hai…islamic sites par jaoo..sidha JHOOT likhte hai…

      apni aakhe kholo…..meri to khuli hai

      HARI OM!!

  21. says

    dear, sanatanaakki ji, compare karna matlab hota hai ucha -nicha dikhana, achha-bura dikhana. agar aap kisiko ucha dikhate ho to dusre ko na kahke vi aap nicha keh rahe ho. agar ishwar kahi hai to woh kabhi nahi chahenge ke unke santan apasme mera ice-cream bara hai ya mera chocolate achha hai karke ladai kare.dharam bahat uchi chees hai ise ice-cream ki tarha ladai ka saman mat banaiye. indian constitution me hai aapko apna dharam aur vishwas narrate karne ka adhikar hai but dusre ke dharam aur vishwas par kuch bhi bad comments karne ka adhikar nahi hai. is site pe kuchh aisi articles published huye hai jinhe padke kuch muslims ko kharab laga hai. kuch hindu khush huye.kuch to muslims aur islam ko hate karne lage hai. inme se ek mere dost hai.mai apko koyi philosophy padana nahi chahta hoon. agar mera naam baba ramdev hota to aap mera baat zaroor sunte. but i’m only a man not a hindu – not a muslim.just a common man.aapko apne dharam pe ahamkar ho gaya hai .ahamkar kisi bhi chees ke liye nahi karn chahiye including dharam. aap hindu nahi ho ahamkari ho.rahi truth ki baat mujhe jitna lagta hai ke –jo sach insan ke liye hani karak hai use bolna nahi chahiye. chupa dena chahiye.agar apko dukh pohucha to kshama karna. hey ishwar.last of all read swami vivekananda , gandhi, & tagore u will realize wat i want to say…

  22. Truth Prevails says

    no one is safe in a male dominated society, india was not a male dominated country before islamic invasion,even queen used to sit with king in darbaar

    THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY REASON BEHIND EVERY PROBLEM.

    1. It’s a fact that behind every problem of this world there are dishonest, corrupt and bad people.
    2. Now question is why people become bad, dishonest and corrupt??? Answer is people become bad, dishonest and corrupt when they are not a complete person. Men and Women are not a complete person without each other; they are the best half of each other. But still today you find less women than men everywhere, be it buses, offices, parks, metros, rails, markets, streets, restaurants, politics, police, army etc. etc.
    3. Solution of this problem can be this–
    a. Special recruitment drives for women only in various departments so that gender gap can be filled.
    b. Financial help for girl child for her education and marriage.
    c. Check on some particular Bollywood films that are degrading the image of Indian women with the help of pak and dubai’s mafia.
    d. Seal the border of Bangladesh.
    e. Apply uniform civil code so that no one can easily divorce or have more than one wife in the name of Muslim Personal Laws.
    f. Stop Arab Sheikhs to buy girls and check on Red light areas.

    DO YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW DIRTY ABUSES OF MOTHER AND SISTERS, THE SATI PARTHA, FEMALE INFANTICIDE AND TRADITION OF GHUNGHAT OR PARDA STARTED IN INDIA??? READ THIS—

    Before Islamic invasion in India women were equally free and active like men, even queen used to sit with king in darbaar and taking equal participation in society. Women like Gargi and Matriya are the best examples of it. Cave paintings of Ajanta Ellora also indicate the equality of women in society. Worshipping of women as goddesses and Devi’s or Mother is the specialty of Indian culture. Maa Durga, Laxmi, Maa Saraswati and many other Devis are the example of it.

    But after the Islamic invasion when Islamic invaders raped, killed and forced millions of Indian women to accept Islam then everything changed and Sati pratha, female infanticide, tradition of Ghunghat or Parda were the only choices left for the Indians to save Indian women from cruel and lusty Islamic invaders.

    The dirty abuses of mother and sisters were also started by Islamic invaders because they were not happy to see that women are worshipped as goddesses or Devis in Indian culture.

    Urdu sher o’ sharai is the height of cheapness and vulgarity. There is no word for divorce in hindi but urdu has-Talaq.

    Still today some particular films of Indian cinema is degrading the image of Indian women with the help of pak n dubai’s mafia.

    LET’S TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK TO THE GLORY OF VEDIC PERIOD.

    JAI “ARDH-NARISHWAR”…. JAI “SHIV AUR SHAKTI”.

  23. krishna says

    3. Islam does not believe in formless God/Allah
    ======
    islam doesnot belive in omnipresent god…So it means he is finite…And if he is finite , then it means its idol worship…Idol worship is basically finite worship….infact nobody can concentrate on finite..This mind can only concentrate on finite but it can understand infiniteness and omnipresent by understanding infiniteness of both ie micro and macro…So their Allah is himself like an idol…..As far as my knowledge, islam also dont believe in soul..Then who will go to heaven or hell….:D…..

  24. Jay Maheshwary says

    Dear Brother Abdullah,

    1. Purpose of Creation: (Initially question raised by Brother Vajra to Brother Abdullah):

    As Abdullah answered “Purpose of Creation for Human being is “Worship”——— This is not correct definition for the Purpose of Creation of Human being and Universe.

    Purpose of Creation is NOT worship of God. Purpose of Creation is a “Play of God” in which God wants us to know Him through the actions of His Divine Human being.

    For example, Purpose of Creating Movie is not the Purpose of Worshipping the Producer of Movie. But Producer or Director wants Public to know him or to know his Truth & justification of workmanship he has filmed in his Play of Movie.

    Each “Play of God” is a “New Creation of Universe and each End of “Play of God” is a Destruction of Universe and this Play of God is Eternal.

    Knowing of God is better than Worship of God.

  25. M.S. Khan says

    . Anything which does not satisfy the simple common sense will be rejected sooner or later. The account and remembrance of the actions done during the life time could be with either the body or the substance other than body. If it is with the body then with the disintegration of the body the account and remembrance of the actions will also disintegrate. Then the substance other than body is as such free from any responsibility of the actions done during the life time of the human being except under one condition that the substance other than body has the innate knowledge of right and wrong about the actions. If now this substance is reincarnated or takes rebirth as an animal species, then the scientific study of animal behavior reveals that the animals have a homogeneous behavior & their behavior is simply controlled by their instincts and there is no innate knowledge of right and wrong in animals (including insects). Thus there is negligible probability of that substance returning to the human form as such the cycle or reincarnation & rebirth on the basis of actions will break. Now if the account and remembrance of the actions done during the life time are carried by the substance which leaves the body, then the reincarnated being or reborn being should remember the actions done during the previous birth. If the reincarnated and reborn being is an animal, we will not come to know whether the animal remembers the actions done in the previous birth. In case of human being taking the form of reincarnated being or reborn being, then he should remember the actions done in the previous life. Since the cycle of birth and rebirth & reincarnation has to continue, as such human beings on the whole are supposed to remember the actions done in at least, the previous birth, whereas no human being remembers the actions of their previous life. Thus humanity on the whole should stand up and reject such illogical and irrational concepts in their religions, such concepts are corruptions of the religions. This is simply absurd, whatever by the jugglery of concepts you may try; this is illogical and irrational and will remain so. The first and final proof of rebirth, is when the rebirth takes place in the form of human being, human being should know about the previous births; if human being does know about previous births that will prove concept of rebirth beyond any doubt and if human being does not know about the previous births the concept of rebirth is disproved beyond any doubt. This is the general test of those religions which have the concept of rebirth or reincarnation on the touch stone of logic and rationality. No matter what explanations and jugglery of philosophical discourses one may try the concept of rebirth will fail anyway.

    • Vajra says

      M. S. Khan
      Namaste
      “Anything which does not satisfy the simple common sense will be rejected sooner or later.”

      In the light of your above statement, we would like to know what is your take on moon breaking, flying donkey, stones talking to Moses, Jesus without father etc. We can anyway discuss philosophy of rebirth in detail as soon as you reject these so called miracles as lies in the line of your belief of rejecting anything opposite to common sense.

      thanks

  26. Indian Agnostic says

    Dear M.S.Khan
    Namaste!

    your statements within ( // ..//)

    //the scientific study of animal behavior reveals that the animals have a homogeneous behavior & their behavior is simply controlled by their instincts and there is no innate knowledge of right and wrong in animals (including insects)//

    This is factually wrong.Certain animal species have an innate feeling of self and right and wrong. You must read about altruism in the animal kingdom which is unfortunately missing in abrahmic religions :(

    so to say that animals exhibit homogeneous behaviors is ignorant to say the least.

    //the reincarnated being or reborn being should remember the actions done during the previous birth//

    re-incarnation is a corrective process.If i remember my past even after being re-incarnated , what is the need of re-incarnation at all! ? its like carrying the baggage which hinders the opportunity to correct oneself.

    having said that, a remote possibility does exist in the journey of trillions of souls that some exceptions may remember their past life to fulfill a continuity in their journey..and such exceptions DO EXIST!

    //if human being does know about previous births that will prove concept of rebirth beyond any doubt and if human being does not know about the previous births the concept of rebirth is disproved beyond any doubt//

    while what you suggest as a criterion is good from a scientific perspective, but as explained above, it’s detrimental to to the individual soul to remember his/her past life.

    to quench the scientific thirst , science must (and does) study the exceptional cases and the conclusion favors re-incarnation.

    //This is the general test of those religions which have the concept of rebirth or reincarnation on the touch stone of logic and rationality.//

    agreed. here you go ..a drop to quench that thirst http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Praise_and_criticism

    //No matter what explanations and jugglery of philosophical discourses one may try the concept of rebirth will fail anyway.//

    your premise was wrong and so is your conclusion. hope you correct it after reading my response

    best regards

  27. Totagoto says

    Rebirth in Vedas
    Taken from Maharishi Swami Dayanand Sarawati`s masterpiece `Light of Truth`:

    The following verses refer to the doctrine of past and future births.
    “O God! Thou conductest our pranas. We pray Thee that we may be happy whenever we may assume another body after death. Grant us, O God! The eyes and all the other senses, the pranas and the inner senses in our future birth when we may assume another body after forsaking the present. Do Thou grant us that when we are born again we may enjoy uninterruptedly all enjoyable thins. May we be able to see the luminous sun and the ingoing and outgoing pranas in all our rebirths. O God! Thou art the dispenser of honor and happiness, make us happy in all our rebirths, through Thy grace.”
    [In this mantra, the eye (Chakshu) represents all the senses and prana the inner senses.]
    “Be gracious, O Lord! To grant that in our rebirths the earth may give us prana born of food and strength, the bright light of the sun may give us prana and middle region may give us life; the juices of medicines such as soma, may give us body (bodily health and vigor). O God! Thou art the giver of strength and nourishment, show us in our rebirths the path of virtue (dharma). We pray that happiness be our lit in all our births through Thy grace. Rig VIII. !. 23. 6 & 7. “O God! May the mind with knowledge and other good qualities an may the full term of life come to us in our rebirth, through Thy favor. May pure thoughts come to us in our rebirth and may sight and hearing also come to us. O God! Thou art the guide and director of the universe; in Thee there is no fault such as arrogance, deceit; thou are the protector of our bodies, and art all wisdom and bliss; keep us aloof from evil deeds and protect us in all our birth-cycles, so that being free from sin we may remain happy in all our births.”
    “O Lord! May we get, through Thy favor in our rebirths all the senses and that force which sustains the pranas. may we be endowed with the noble riches of knowledge and have firm devotion to Thee. May we get human bodies so that we may be able to tend the fires, Ahavaniya, etc. O Lord of the Universe! May we have the same form, intellect and good bodies as we were endowed with in our previous birth so that we may be able with the help of intellect to discharge our duties properly in the world of our rebirth and may we never suffer pain on any account.

    “A man who, has done good actions in his previous birth, gets many good bodies in virtue of those good actions, but if he has done evil deeds he does not get human body and is born into the body of an animal, etc., and suffers pain.
    [This is the lesson conveyed by God in the first half of the verse.]
    It is the nature of the soul that it reaps the fruits of its good and had actions done in a future birth. After leaving its old body it enters such substances as the air, water, medicinal herbs, etc., and then through their agency it enters into a new body according to the fruits of its former good or bad deeds.
    The jiva which obtains a full and complete knowledge of the Vedas, the word of God, obtains the body of a learned man like its former body and enjoys happiness; but the jiva which acts in violation of the dictates of the Vedas and virtue gets the body of lower animals and suffers pain.” Yaju IV. !5; Atharva VII. 6-67-1; Atharva V. 1-1-3.
    “We have heard that there are two paths in this world for enjoying the good and suffering the bad consequences of virtue and vice. The first is the path trodden by the pitris (the wise) and the devas (the learned) and such men as are devoid of knowledge and wisdom. The first is divided two fold i.e., the pirtriyana and the Devayana. That in which a jiva obtaining a body from the father and mother enjoys happiness as the fruit of its good actions and suffers pain as the consequences of its evil and deeds and again and again, i.e., in which it is subject to past and future birth is called the pitriyana. That in which it obtains emancipation, is liberated from the world i.e., the migrations of birth and death is called devayana. In the former, after having enjoyed the fruits of its stock of virtue it is born again and dies also. In the latter, it is not born again, nor does it die. By these two paths the whole world passes and repasses.
    When the Jiva, leaving it’s previous body and wandering about in the air, water or vegetable kingdom enters the body of the father or the mother it becomes and embodied spirit.” Yaju XIX. 47.
    The author of the Nirukta also supports the doctrine of rebirth in the following couplets:
    “I died and was born again, and having been born I died once more. I have tenanted thousands of different bodies.
    “I have tasted many kinds of food and have sucked many kinds of breasts. I have many fathers, mothers and friends.
    ” The jiva is born with its head downwards and suffers the pains of birth.” Nirukta XIII, 19.
    The great sage Patanjali in the Yoga aphorisms and his commentator Veda Vyasa also have established the truth of the doctrine of rebirth.
    ‘Flowing by its potency the fear of death affects even the learned.’ Yoga !. 2-9
    The fear of death which is exhibited, from the very birth, by all (living beings) shows that there are births and rebirths. Even a newly born ant, as well a learned man, is subject to the fear of death. This shows that without experience of death in a former life, there would be no impressions of it in this. With out the impressions there would be no remembrance.

    And without remembrance how could there be fear of death? Seeing that all living beings exhibit fear of death we should infer that past and future births do take place.
    Similarly, the most learned sage Goutama in his Nyaya Shastra, and Vatsyayana in his commentary thereon express their belief in the doctrine of rebirth.Pretyabhava.”Nyaya Sutra. I.1.19
    [Pretyabhava is to leave an old and to assume a new body. It is composed of two words, Pretya which means, having died, and Bhava which means coming into being. So a jiva after departing from here is born again and assumes a body.]
    Here those who believe in one birth only say: ‘If there was a former birth why is it no remembered?’
    We reply: ‘Open the eyes of understanding and see. There is no remembrance of the pains and pleasures which we experienced up to the age of five years since our birth, nor, of all the events that happened in our waking moods and during sleep. What to say then of remembering events of our past existence?’
    Q. – ‘If God awards us in this existence of fruits of our good and bad actions, which we did in our past life, in the form of pleasures and pains, God becomes unjust because we know them not and also because we are not reformed thereby.’
    A. ~ We say: ‘Knowledge is to two kinds, direct and inferential. Suppose fever affects the body of a medical man and also of a layman. The medical man, on account of his special knowledge, putting the cause and the effect together, infers the cause of the fever. Not so with the lay man, but he, too, though devoid of this special knowledge of the medical man, knows that there is no effect without a cause and as he experiences the effects of fever comes to know that he must have been guilty of some irregularity in diet, etc. Similarly, God, who is just, cannot give pain or pleasure to any body without his having done bad or good actions. We see that in the world that are mightier and lower grades of happiness and misery. This shows that virtuous and evil deeds must have been done in a former existence.The holders of one birth theory raise many similar objections. They should be answered after due consideration. It is not necessary that everything should be explained in black and white to intelligent persons. They can understand a good deal by a few hints only. Besides this, we do not write more on this subject in this place for the fear of increasing the bulk of the book.

    http://hindurevolution.blogspot.com/2011/03/rebirth-in-vedas.html

    • pathik Arya says

      In my view there cant be a better proof of re-birth than the supporting article written by u.
      THanx brother.

  28. Surya Singh says

    Religion means just true knowledge, means knowing the things, how they are and and how their properties are, as it is called truth and opposite is called wrong.

    Religion is one and same for all human beings. The conflict occurs due to some kind of knowledge that we gather in the world after birth. This knowledge can be from people alive or dead by any media like books, audios, videos, verbal etc. Following points explain it more clearly -

    Understand the vary basic religion -

    One boy didn’t study any religious book and not taught by any person about the religion. That boy would have the following feelings in his soul for first time from the side of God, Ishwar or Allah (whatever u call him by name) -

    1. He would feel mercy while behaving bad or killing any innocent living thing.

    2. He would feel fear while doing any type of bad work like “theft, loot, lie, rape, cheat etc.

    3. He would like to help of those guys who really need help and would feel glad to help them.

    4. He might not be sure about the existence of God, Soul, rebirth, result for work given by God etc. These topics are very deep and want much hard work to understand the god and his properties.

    I mean God gives us birth in this world with basic knowledge of religion(what to do) but we human override it by inclining ourself to bad ideas or works. Of course there are some points that can be arguable but still they can be finalized with the help of science and some unbiased books and thoughts.

  29. Truth Seeker says

    Namaste Agniveer Ji,

    I request you Please ban Shabeer to post comments here. This guy have no purpose neither seeking truth nor debate. He just do copy paste, copy paste, copy paste ………….. Shabeer seems mentally disturbed.

    • says

      Brother Truth Seeker

      Its not any mental problem but urge to maximize the no. of houris in heaven by doing Dawah to Kafirs. Every Madarsa trained Daai does that, he is no exception :)

    • says

      mr.truth seeker

      why are you lies my dear friend?

      what happened to polygamy in discussion forum?

      who escape from it? u or me?

      like cast system,women,etc.here and discussion forum,how u behave my thread,only one replay,then escape.is it?

      pls replay the topic that i posted here and discussion forum.

      • Truth Seeker says

        @Shabeer
        Shabeer first I have not started any thread on discussion forum, I occasionally visit on discussion forum & try to avoid it because there are too much copy paste stuff & not specific. But as polygamy concerned there a link where good discussion happened on the issue & some of your friend name shaik run away if you also want to debate please do not do copy paste but raise specific question or give response.

        http://satyagni.com/1624/islam-the-fastest-growing-religion/#comment-14474

      • AD says

        Dear sir, about polygamy – I’ll reply in brief.

        Quaran is NOT the only book that says marry only one.:
        - Quaran says – marry FOUR
        - It says marry ONE if you do not have the means to support four wives. Isn’t this concoctism?

        Is, MARRY ONE (if u do not hv money) = MARRY ONLY ONE???
        NO!

        More accurate description would be: – Quaran is the ONLY BOOK that says:
        - marry four, and
        - gives permission to take women of others (even if they are married with children) as sex-slaves legitimately (i.e it is halal for muslims)

        Hope you got your answer…

      • KalBhairav says

        @All:

        I join in the suggestion of bringing the ban hammer on blind copy-pasters like shabeer. Either he should take time to answer questions specifically and stay on topic or else he can take the same debunked questions against Hinduism elsewhere.

  30. SDC says

    Do you think on your own or you have outsourced it to ZN and his stooges?

    Ask specific questions or label specific charges that we can refute it or put up a counter argument to it. Just pointless verbiage is not going to work.

  31. sanatan dharm says

    wah wah agniveer ji aap wo kaam kar rahe hai ki aane wali saari manav jaaati aapka upkar manegi jo aaap unne islam ke andhkar se sanatan dharam ke prakash mai laaye ho ,islam jo ki aatannk ka doosra naam hai ,anpad gawar logoin ki jamat hai ,jisne duniye ko koi help nahi kiya einstine ,aryabhat ,jaise vaigyaniko ko aajtak paida nahi kar saka us islam se aap unne bacha rahe hai ……jai ho jai ho ….aapka jai ho…..we should bycott TIMES OF INDIA & NDTV INDIA as well…..

  32. Mithra Muhammad says

    I just read the article above . I am speechless to find the efficacy with which a person can turn a blind eye to such clear truth.

    vedas says Ekkam brahm bohudha bidhante…. Ekkam ekme bedityam…
    Only Muslims follow this basic philosophy being true to the core. The fanatic hindus are confused as to what to follow when they find god has ten heads…..

    Vedas testifies the truth of Islam and therefore any follower of vedas should waste no time in acknowledging the truth and start following Islam…….

    • GOD IS GREAT says

      Mr. Muhammad, Which Islam are you talking about? Vedas spoke of peace. Look – India never invaded any other country in past 10,000 countries. Islam fails to show such evidence of peace. It only shows much evidence when Islamic terrorists are on huge toll.

      The core myth of Islam being any religion of peace is debunked here. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
      Hope you acknowledge the truth.

      Indeed Muslims follow monotheism but then why they say in Kalma: La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasool Allah? They should only use – La Ilaha Ill Allah. How about you justifying Muslims worshipping Kaaba stone. Yes, Hindus are confused about GODs but that confusion comes from Puranas. Those who follow Vedas and not Puran / Ramayana / Mahabharata happily worship 1 rather the only GOD. Don’t travel on path of Jehadis please.

  33. Shamash says

    @Mithra Muhammed
    May be Hindus are the most confused creatures on the earth but they are still better than you blood thirsty muzzies who have a long history of not only killing the kafirs but also their own brethren.

    As some wise person said, you can believe in stones, as long as you don’t throw them at me.

  34. Krishnarao says

    One more verse to add to the list is:

    I have noticed a lot of hater posting that the Vedas does not talk about reincarnation or Karma based reincarnation. I have done some research to find the exact quote that says there is reincarnation in our great and amazing Vedas:

    Saw this on Agniveer. Karma based reincarnation in the Vedas:

    “O soul, God grants for thy bodies in different births, according to thy DEEDS a happy or unhappy place on this earth. May radiant beams prove helpful to thee!” (Yajur Veda, Chapter 35, verse 2) Translated by Devi Chand M.A.

    - This is very clear that the Veda is talking about Karma. The fact that the word DEEDS is used is very clear indicator of it. And it also talks about different births, which is also clear about reincarnation.

  35. skrauf says

    Dear brothers and sisters
    I read the articles and reply
    Iam not a moulana or also not a scholar of Islam simple Indian belief in Islam I myself fill a great opportunity that I am a Muslim its pleaser of Allah I born in Islam family I like to put some comment on of agneever
    Are you find anywhere holly Quran is changed prove it
    About rebirth how it is possible if it then population of world as same when the universe is formed
    Islam always believe in one god it is one religion in the world who believe in one god not many like agneever from Allah is one and only he has no concept forms and Mohammed is messenger of Allah Islam is believe in these concept Allah is god so how Islam believe many god in Quran any where not mentioned to worship to Mohammed saw always mentioned he is a messenger of almighty Allah for show the light of peace and truth to the human being
    In Vedas there is always says that sanatn or saswat means peace means Islam

  36. says

    Answers to the points raised by this page:

    1. Islam does not believe in worship of one and only god/Allah:

    I believe the writer does not understand the meaning of Prophet…the second part of phrase(i.e, kalma – e- Shahadat) says’ Muhammad is Allah’s prophet…do I need to tell the writer what is the meaning of Prophet? if the writer does not know then I would suggest him to take help of any dictionary to understand its meaning…and yes a muslim cannot be muslim if he does not believe that Muhmmad (Peace be upon him) was prophet of Allah (SWT).

    2. Vedas truly believe in worship of One and Only One God/ Ishwar: did anyone deny that? and my humble request is to everybody that if you believe in veda then follow it…

    3. Islam does not beleive in formless god: when you say as per islam….from where did you pick these sentences…we believe Quran is Allah’s word and no where it is mentioned so STOP misguiding people. This is difference between you and Zakir Naik…we quote from the books and mention the source unlike you guys who just pick anything and present the distorted meaning…

    4. Vedic Ishwar/ God is truly formless: Again…did we deny this? if you really believe it then stop making idols…hopefully it will curb some pollution also..if you have so called direct connection then you dont need any idol or stone..

    5. Quran clearly believes in rebirth: original quran? have you gone mad? there is only one quran…its meaning can be distorted but the arabic verses are one and same….on the day of qayamat (doomsday) every human being..dead and alive…will be asked to be present in front of Allah for their judgment…you better give the source of your statements…dont talk in the air…

    I wanted to write more .. but now I feel the writer of the page does not have enough knowledge otherwise I would have loved to put forward more ….anyways…..get some knowledge and then talk…would be ready to answer any question..just let me know….ready for debate also…

    • anti agni says

      assalam brother, asom.. you have tried well but never expect anything good from these aryasamjis. what they are writing is not because of lack of knowledge and understanding of islam but they are doing it intentionally to spread hatred against islam.

      • Jay Arya(hinduagnostic) says

        why would he say that ? ved prakash upandhya is only person muslims like to quote even though no hindu actually know who he is all hindus agree muhammed is not found in anywhere in hindu scripture except in bhavisiya purana with jesus i can tell you now muhammed is not any scripture except in bhavisiya purana,sikh and baha scriptures and swami vivekanda said “You cannot believe in God until you believe in yourself.” if vivekanda believed in muliple gods like you say why did he say you cant believe in god’s he said god which shows he believed in one god but may have represented through different names and forms like most hindus do

        • Vinay Arya says

          Actually,Swami Vivekanand believed in one God even if he was an idolator.According to his biography it is said that Maharshi Dayanand spoke in Swami Vivekanand at his lat time of life.At the last time of life,he accepted these are orthodox Brahmans who destroyed Indian culture

  37. jai shankar says

    CHALLENGES OF DR.ZAKIR NAIK-ISLAM KI SACCHAI 2- 1)ALLAH JO HAI USKO KOI BHI DEKH NAHI SAKTA,JO DIKHAI NA DE SIRF US PAR BELIEF KARE YE ISLAM HAI.TO PHIR JO JO DIKHAI NA DE UNKO BHI MANO EX.DETA HU TAKI AASANI SE SAMAJ ME AAYE- ULLAH,JULLAH,KULLAH YE BHI DIKHAI NAHI DETE TO KYA INKO BHI MANANA PADEGA.2) ALLAH AKELA HAI USKA KOI SANGI-SATHI NAHI HAI.JAB ALLAH AKELA HOTA TO DUNIYA KE BAHAR HAI YA DUNIYA KE ANDAR?BAHAR HAI TO DUNIYA SE USKA KYA SANBAND,KYA LENADENA HAI?DUNIYA KYO BANAI?ANDAR HAI TO AKELA KAISE HOGA? YE AKELA HAI ,ISKO KAISE PATA CHALA KOI DUSRE ALLAH KO DEKH KE, KI KOI INSAN KO DEKH KE?WO APNE KO AKELA KIS KO SAMNE RAKH KAR TOUL RAHA HAI?AGAR WO INSAN SE TOUL RAHA HAI TO BILKUL HI CHOTA HO GAYA AUR KISI AUR BADE ALLAH SE TOUL RAHA HAI TO AKELA NA RAHA.3)ALLAH DUNIYA BANATE WAQT BAHOT SHAKTIWAN THA SIRF US NE HO JA KAHA AUR HO GAYI,TO PHIR YE QURAN KO SATYA KITAB HAI AISA BAR BAR KYO KAH RAHA HAI EK BAR HI KAHTA KI YE SATYA HO JA AUR HO GAYI HOTI.YE AADMI KE SAMNE BUJDIL KYO HO RAHA HAI?4) YE ALLAH MIRACLE KARTA HOTA TO PAHLE PROFET KE LIYE MIRACLE KARE ,LAKDI SE SAAP,PANI KO BEECH ME SE TODA,UPAR SE SHOLE BARSAYE.MURDE KO ZINDA KIYA.PAR LAST PROFET KE LIYE KOI MIRACLE NAHI KIYE,KYO USKI TAQAT KHATM HO GAYI KYA?

  38. jai shankar says

    CHALLENG TO DR.ZAKIR NAIK 2- koi bhi hindu dr.zakir naik se ye sawal kare -ALLAH EK HAI YA ANEK? EK HAI TO ANEK KO KYO BANAYA? ANEK HAI TO BAKI KE ALLAH KAHA HAI? ALLAH EK HAI TO DUNIYA KIS SE JUDI HAI? ALLAH SE JUDI HAI TO WO EK NA RAHA AUR NAHI JUDI HAI TO BINA ALLAH SE KAISE BANI? ALLAH EK HAI TO DO CHIZE KYO BANAI?MALE-FEMALE,ZANNAT -JAHANNAM,JANAM-MRUTU,AKASH-ZAMIN,PAAP-PUNYA,ANDHERA-UZIYARA,DIN-RAAT,AWWAL-AAKHIR.ALLAH AKELA HAI TO SABKI ALAG-ALAG KHABAR RAKTA HAI?KI EKSAATH KABAR RAKTA HAI? ALAG-ALAG KHABR RAKHTA HAI TO KAISE AKELA HUA.KYOKI ZAB MUZE GARMI LAGTI HAI TAB MAI THAND LAG RAHI HAI AISA KYO NAHI KAHTA? EK HI KABAR RAKTA HAI TO ALAG-ALAG LOG EK HI KAAM KAR RAHE HAI AISA MANANA PADEGA HATYA KARNA AUR HAAJ KARNA EK HO JAYEGA.AALAH EK MAN KA HAI KI ANEK MAN KA? EK MAN KA HUA TO ANEK MAN KE AADMI KO KAISE BANAYA? ANEK MAN KA HAI TO EK ALLAH ME ANEK MAN KAISE HONGE?AADMI MERE ANDAR SE HAZAR MAN BOL RAHE HAI AISA KYO NAHI KAHTA?ALLAH SABKA HAI TO EK KA KAISE HOGA?ALLAH SABKA NAHI HAI TO ANEK KA KAISE HOGA?ALLAH KA KOI AAKAR HAI KI NAHI? AAKAR,BUT NAHI HAI TO BOLTA KAISE HAI?YE BUT JAISE AADMI KO APNI HI SHKAL ME KYO BANAYA?BUT KE JAISI DUNIYA KYO BANAI? AAKAR HAI TO DHIKHAI KYO NAHI DETA?

    • rsdfgg says

      @pagal-shankar, ajeeb aadmi hai? itni si baat nahi samjh sakta? jis doctor ne tera operation kara hoga wohi to janega ki tere paas dimagh hai ya nahi??

      maine thore hi kiya tera operation?/hahaha
      kiya hum us doctor par vishwas kar lein ? yeh to andhvishwas hua na aur tere kehne k hisab se kisi bhi andheki cheez ko nahi manna chahiyee? to vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??

      kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?

      waise yeh saare arguments tere se upar ki cheez hain nahi samajh payega.

      main tere dimagh ki baat kar raha hun ki hum kaise maan lein bina tere dimagh ka operation kare ki tere paas hai bhi ya upar ka mal khali hai? kiya yeh andhvishwas na hoga?

      yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
      tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?

  39. Truth Seeker says

    @rsdfgg
    ________yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai__
    Nahi dekhne ka matlab yah nahi ki ham sabhi baato par viswas kar le. Jo ki tarkpurn hai unhi par viswas kiya ja sakata hai. Mana ki khuda hai. Agar wo itana bada jo puri duniya ko bana sakta hai aur bahut nek, dayalu bhi hai to wo choti-choti baato jaise chote masum logo dwara apni pooja na hone par unhe narak me tarah tarah ki yatnaye nahi dega. Aur itne chote dil ka nahi ho sakta hai. Ye Galat hai.

  40. jai shankar says

    @rsdfgg,pahle bhi main kah chuka hu ki mai eshwar ko belief nahi karta balki janta hu.ESHWAR KO KHATA HU-ESHWAR KO PITA HU-ESHWAR PAR HI SOTA HU .SAMJE KUCH ???HA.HA.HA….TABHI TO MERA TARGET FALTU KHATAM HONEWALI DUNIYA NAHI HAI ,AUR NA HI ZAKIR NAIK JAISE FALTU LOG MUZE JO ACCHA LAGTA HAI WO AUR JO BURA LAGTA HAI WO KAHTA HU.JO YE ALLAH HAI WO MERA TARGET HAI.YE MUZE BURA LAGA TO USKI ME KHABAR LE RAHA HU.HA.HA..HA…EX.DETA HU TAKI AASANI SE SAMAJ ME AAYE.DEKH RABIYA NAAM KI EK BAHOT BADI MURID HUI,WO QURAN PADTI THI ROJ.KUCH KAAM SE GHAR SE BAHAR GAYI.TAB USKA JO GURU THA USNE RABIYA JO QURAN KO PADTHI THI USKO DEKHA TO WO HAIRAN AUR BAICHAIN HUA.KYOKI QURAN ME LIKHA THA “SHAITAN SE GHRUNA KARO” TO WO SENTENCE LAKIR SE MITA DIYA THA.QURAN ME BADALAVAT KARNE KI SANSHODHAN KARNE KI HIMMAT KAISE KI RABIYA NE.USKA GURU TO AAGBABULA HUA .TABHI RABIYA AA GAI USNE RABIYA SE KAHA KI TUNE BAHOT BADI GALTI KI HAI QURAN ME .QURAN ME JO LIKHA HAI WO AAKHIRI KALAM HAI ALLAH KA.TUZE PATA NAHI?RABIYA NE KAHA PAR MERI BHI MAJBURI HAI,MAI PREM ME ITANI AAGE JA CHUKI HU,MAST HO GAYI HU KI MERE AAGE AB SHAITAN BHI AAYE AUR DARAYE PHIR BHI MAI GHRUNA NAHI KAR SAKTI.MAI PREM HI KARNA JANTI HU AB GHRUNA MUJSE NIKALTI HI NAHI.AB YE RABIYA TO HUI NA ALLAH SE MAHAN????

    • rsdfgg says

      @pagal-shankar,
      edon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??

      kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?

      yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
      tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?

      kiya tune 4 risiyon ko dekha hai? kiya har cheez dekh kar manta hai? hum to sachche logon par bharosa kartein hain. jab eik table khud nahi ban sakti to kiya yeh duniya ban jayegi?

      jis ne yeh sara sansar banaya aur iska nizam chala raha hai wohi Allah hai aur woh AHAD hai yeh humein Allah k rasoolon ne bataya hai aur Allah k rasool sachche hotein hain to un par bharosa kiya jata hai.

      aqal bhi yehi kehti hai ki do Allah nahi ho sakte… to phir kiyun na mane?

      maire sawal ko kiyun nazarandaz kar rahe ho 4 rishiyon wale? aur raj.hyd aur tum dcide karlo ki aryasamajiyon ka kiya concept hai ishwar k bareinmein????

      “hi” ya “bhi” hahahha

  41. jai shankar says

    @rsdfgg,pahle bhi main kah chuka hu ki mai eshwar ko belief nahi karta balki janta hu.ESHWAR KO KHATA HU-ESHWAR KO PITA HU-ESHWAR PAR HI SOTA HU .SAMJE KUCH ???HA.HA.HA….ESHWAR KO KHATA HU MATALAB AANA HI ESHWAR HAI-ESHWAR KO PITA HU MATLAB JAL HI ESHWAR HAI-ESHWAR PAR SOTA HU MATLAB DHARTI HI ESHWAR HAI.

    • raj.hyd says

      manniy shri jay shankar ji ab ap “hi “n lagakar isme “bhi” lagaiye tab jyada achha rahega jab sab kuch ishwar may hai tab ishwar ann me bhi hai ,aur pani me bhi hai aur sabhi ke mal- mut-rthuk adi me bhi hai !kyoki koi sthan aisa naho hai jana iswar ki satta n ho gande sthan me bhi aur achhe sthan me bhi hai ! aur jo satve asman me allah ki kalpna karte hai vajha matr kalpana hi hai yatharth isme lesh matr bhi nahi hai !

  42. jai shankar says

    @rsdfgg,pahle bhi main kah chuka hu ki mai eshwar ko belief nahi karta balki janta hu.mera sara jor janane par hai.manana mat,janana.janana aur manana bahot fark hai.ped ko tum jante ho ki mante ho?suraj ko tum jante ko hi mante ho?ha.ha.ha.janana yane bodh manana yani abodh.tum zara janane ki taraf kadam uthao kyo allah ko man rahe ho????ha.ha.ha…..jano to pata chalta hai ALLAH EK MITHAK HAI EK ZUTH IS LIYE TO TUM VISHWAS PAR TIKE HO JANANE KI KOSHISH NAHI KARTE MANO.TUMARE PURKHE MANTE RAHE-UNKE BETE MAN RAHE HAI AB TUM BHI MAN RAHE HO.PAR KISI NE YE JANANE KI KOSHISH NAHI KI ALLAH HAI KYA?TUM BINA KHOJE,BINA ANVESHAN KIYE ALLAH KO MAN RAHE AUR MAN KO DHOKA DE RAHE HO.KAASH DHARM ITNA AASAN HOTA TO AAJ ZAMIN PAR KHUSHIYALI HOTI,PREM HOTA,ANAND KE FUL KHILTE PAR YAHA LOG EK DISRE KI TARAF TALWARE KHICHE HUE HAI.MANO NAHI TO SAR KATWA DENGE.YE AADMI-AADMI KE BEECH DIWARE DHARM KHONE SE HUI HAI.DHARM KAHA HAI? DUNIYA SE DHARM KHATM HUA JAB MANANE SE DHARM KA NAATA JUDA.

    • raj.hyd says

      param adarniy shri jay shankar ji thik kaha apne sara vivad vishvas par hai aur jahan vishvas hota hai vahi se “avishbvas” ka janm hota hai ! isliye koi bhi chij mankar hargij nahi chalna chahiye ! sabase pahale jano , fir usko manne ki koshish karo aj dharm ek parampara ban gaya hai jo hamare mata pita ya samuday karta hai vah ham sab dekha dekhi karne lagte hai , ishwar ke vishay me jante kuch nahi hai bas manne me age jarur age rahana chahate hai !

  43. jai shankar says

    manana ya vishwas karna ye dono khatarnak hai.is liye hindu janane ki koshish ka naam hai.Hindu ki sari philosophy jigyasa par aadharit hai.kisi bhi kalpnikata ko is me jagah nahi hai.Tark aur praman yahi do baate vicharniy hoti hai.jab tak aatmbodh na ho tab tak tum khoj karte rahna.khud ko na janana is se badi dusri koi hani nahi hai.is aatma ko hi khoje us ke liye hi sram kare “aatma ! Are wa drastvya,srotvya,mantavya nidhi-dhyasitvyaha” us aatma ko dekhe,sune,manan kare aur usi ka anusandhan karte rahe.aisa karne se tumko aatmbodh hoga.YE ATAMBODH HUA CHITT HI SATYA KO SIDHA DEKTA HAI.TAB WO ESHWAR KO MANTA NAHI JANTA HAI.

  44. jai shankar says

    ISLAM KI SACHHAI 4- ISLAM ME YE BAATE NAHI HAI1) chitt ya mind aur uske nirodh, thahrna,shant hona is koi gyan islam me nahi hai 2) atmagyan hona aapne andar ke aatma ka sakshat karna 3) sab ki jad man hai ,ye man hi dukh ka karan hai aur man hi avidhya hai.aisa koi bhi gyan is me nahi hai 4) man se mukt kaise ho iska koi gyan is me nahi hai.5) man ki jagrut,swapna,shshupti aur 4th turiya is awasta ke baare me koi jankari nahi hai. 6) panchikaran arthat das indriya aur gyarvaha man,buddhi,antakaran,aahankar in saboka milke jo ye sharir bana is ka pruthakaran karke, akhir me aahankar ko bhi koi jananewala hai aisa vichar karke jo jo jananane me aata hai us se aapne ko alag karte karte phir karan deh,mahakaran deh,sadharan akash ,mahakash,chidakash is ke bhi paar aapne swarup ko janana ye panchikaran me aata hai islam me aisa panchikaran ka gyan nahi hai

  45. jai shankar says

    ISLAM KI SACCHAI 6- ALLAH IS AN IDOL,HOW ?????READ THIS…
    I piss on the Kaaba. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss on the Quran. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss on the prophet Muhammad (may shit be upon his head). I don’t worship him. I
    WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss towards Mecca. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. Turn away from shirk before its too late. SMASH your idols to remove idolatry. Come back
    to worshiping ALLAH ALONE. Only then the Islamic renaissance will be unleashed. Allah
    will again bless the Islamic world for worshiping ALLAH ALONE. Some Mohammedan idolaters and Quran idolaters say ‘if you worship Allah you will
    RESPECT HIS message book and HIS messenger’. That is exactly what a Hindu will say ‘if
    you worship god you will RESPECT HIS creations, HIS creatures, HIS idols’. Respect is just a
    cover for idolatry. Only disrespect can remove idolatry. Allah knows whats in your heart
    you Mohammedan idolaters. I once asked in a forum, “Is Allah all powerful? CAN he send
    more prophets?” Note: I asked ‘CAN he’ not ‘WILL he’ but the vote was 9 to 0 against Allah. No Mohammedan idolater believes in Allah’s power to send more prophets. Allah is
    just a straw god in whose name Mohammad is worshiped. Mohamed is dead, Allah isn’t
    dead is he?

    • rsdfgg says

      @pagal-shankar, is ka answer dene mein dar gaya kiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha

      //vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??

      kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?

      yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
      tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?//

      “hi” aur “bhi” ka faisla ho gaya kiya?

      jab eik table khud nahi ban sakti to yeh sansar kaise ban sakta hai? jisne yeh sansar banaya wohi ALLAH hai. ab samjha yanahi? warna bata……

      ..yeh sansar kisne banaya? ya khud ban gaya?

      ved kiyun nahi phaila raha ? kiya usmein kuch bhi achai nahi mkili humari vedanti ko?hahahaha

  46. jai shankar says

    @rsdfgg,pagalonke masiha,??? Allah ne duniya banai ye kis gadhe ne tuze kaha???ha.ha.ha.tu kahta hai allah ne banai aur wo ek hai phir ek hi duniya banata,wo khud aur duniya ye alag-alag kaise ho gayi???wo ek hai to duniya kaha hai??? us ke andar ke bahar????ha..ha..ha…jo table ko banata hai wo bina haat ke nahi banata,bina kisi aadhar ke nahi banata to tere allah ne duniya kis haat se banai??? kis aadhar se banai???ha.ha.ha….jab kuch bhi nahi tab banai,ki jab sab kuch tha tab banai??? Ha.ha.ha……agar kuch nahi tha tab wo kaha tha???agar akela tha to duniya ke banane ka kast kyo liya.??? duniya banana ka khayal use kyo aaya,,???tabal bananta hai,aadmi to uska upyog karta hai.allah ne duniya banai to uska kya upyog kar raha hai??? bina upyog ke nirarthak duniya kyo banata????tu kahega ki uski marzi se banai to uske marzi se aadmi paap aur punya bhi nahi karega????ye baar haaj ko kyo bhej raha hai??? duniya allah ki,bananwala sirf allah,akash aur beech me ka sara uska,to ye aadmi kyo uske khilaf ho gaya???agar marzi ho tabhi haaj ko jata hai,bimar pada to nahi jyata to kya bimari bhi allah ne banai kya???ha..ha…ha…..ALLAH EK MITHAK HAI,EK FALSE CONCEPT HAI,DIMAG KI KAMJORI HAI IS LIYE AADMI NE ALLAH KO KALPIT KIYA HAI.ALLAH NE AADMI KO NAHI BANAYA.

  47. rsdfgg says

    @pagal-shankar, tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de hi nahi sakta.

    is ka answer dene mein dar gayakiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha

    //vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??

    kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?

    yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
    tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?//

    “hi” aur “bhi” ka faisla ho gaya kiya?

    //tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de nahi sakta// hahahaha

    waise tujhe maine yeh to samjha diya ki capital nahi likhna chahiyye. hahahaha

    eik vedanti jo na ved parh sakta hai aur na uske satya hone paritna vishws karta hai ki use phailaye?? negative vedanti..

  48. jai shankar says

    @rsdfgg,paglonke seertaj allah ne duniya banayi ye uske smruti se ki bina smruti se??? kyo ki bina memory ke aadmi kuch samaj nahi pata,bina memory ke aadmi kuch bhi bana nahi sakta ye siddha hota hai to allah ki smrti kya hai??? Allah to akela hai phir use smriti bhi hai agar manana hai to phir kaan,naak,haat,pair bhi mano???ha.ha.ha…bina smruti ke allah ne duniya kaise banai??? pahale ki duniya se to phir wo kaha hai???kya us me bhi muhammad hai?? Kya bhagwan bhi hai??hindu bhi hai???ha.ha.ha…allah ne duniya banai to ek hi baar kyo nahi banai,6 din ka samay kyo lagaya ??? aadmi ko samne rakh kar duniya banai ki khud ko samne rakh kar duniya banai??? Agni,vayu,prithvi,jal,akash ye allah ke haath me hai to is se bana aadmi kyo nahi??? Jab ji chahe bacche janmata hai aur ji chahe marta hai to allah uncontrol kyo ho gaya?? ye allah simit hai ya asimit hai?? Simit hai to kitna aur asimit hai to kitna??ha.ha..ha..

  49. jai shankar says

    @rsdfgg,pagalonme awwal,tu pahale apne chitt ko saf kar,shudh kar sab vishwas se mukt ho ja swikar kar ki allah ek mithak hai,false concept hai,muhammad ki dimagi soch hai.fir tuze mai ved ka gyan dunga….ha.ha.ha..bina allah ka vichar liye ved ka gyan nahi mil sakta tu quran chod .ved ka eshwar tabhi samaj me aata hai, jab man sahit sari indriya samapt hoti hai.sirf shudh aatma hi ved ke eshwar ko dekh sakti hai. “‘yato vache nirvtrantre mansa sah aanandam brameti vidvan na bhibheti kadachan”‘ tu ye dushit man se ved ke eshwar ko nahi jaan sakta.allah khud dushit raha hoga isliye to us ne gande man ko saaf karne ki baat hi nahi ki??ha.ha.ha….sirf sharir dhone se koi shudh hota to sabun bananewale sabse bade kahlate???ha.ha.ha….

  50. says

    Maybe we all should embrace islam and escape hell fire. After all, they are 72 virgins offered to us by almighty pimp, oops, GOD. Who on earth would be stupid enough to reject the offer of 72 virgin houris?? Not to mention free booze and wine… Jus one thing, dun get caught with your parents when your are busy popping virgin cherries!

  51. Roshan says

    I am cancellation my subscription to “Times of India” , after reading this article.
    Thank u Agniveer.

  52. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    @raj.hyd

    I couldn’t make an apt reply, actually i was busy in studies & due to some uncongenial circumstances I kept you waiting so long, I’m very sorry. Please read completely.

    It not honour to kill you just because you’re a non-Muslim. It’s not my aim at all.
    Quran says If non-Muslims say anything wrong, in response Muslims should bear this with patience, ignore this, say them salam/peace & say a very good thing –>(28:55) (25:63) (3:186) (23:96) (4:63) (50:39) (20:130).
    I was very rude during my last conversation, Sorry 4 that one, because Qur’an doesn’t teach me to behave so.
    Qur’an doesn’t say to kill the innocent non-Muslims whereever u find them.

    At 1st I’ll give u some items of information regarding surah 9, as the verse is quoted from this surah. There was a reason behind its revolution – I’ll explain In-shaa-Allah.

    In 6 Hijri a “Peace Treaty” was made between the Muslims & non-Muslims of Makkah. According to which Muslims & non-Muslims wouldn’t fight with one another 4 ten years & would try to live in a peaceful way. But later on not all but some parties amongst non-Muslims had broken that peace treaty by attacking on Muslims 4 fighting, as a result a number of Muslims were killed. Then Allah revealed the surah 9 in 9 Hijri, in which Allah guided the Muslims that in such a situation what they’d do. Remember there were also such non-Muslims as were remained peaceful & didn’t break the peace treaty. U can read these things in Qur’an as well as in The Authentic Hadiths.

    Now I’ll give the thumbnail sketch of the surah 9 so that u may understand the whole context:

    — They (non-Muslims) thyself broke the peace treaty 1st so now Muslims weren’t responsible 4 following the rules & regulations of peace treaty (9:7)

    — Allah ordered Muslims to give them a 4-month time so that they might repent on their sins (as they killed innocent Muslims) & might maditate on Islam, or otherwise after 4 months the declaration of an open war. (9:2-3) The delaration of an open war was because they broke the peace treaty (9:7), fought with Muslims (9:36), Mocked Islam (9:79), Whished ill to Muslims (9:50) & Phrophet was teased by them (9:61)
    The name of surah 9 is “Taoba” meaning “Repentance”. Allah is the most Merciful therefore He gave them a 4-month chance so that they might repent. Subhanallah!

    — The Muslims should live in a peaceful way with those non-Muslims who didn’t break the peace treaty & Muslims were responsible 4 following the rules of peace treaty with those. (9:4)

    — If any non-Muslim repented on his sin & wanted to accept Islam, Muslims’d leave him & would give him protection. (9:5)

    – If any non-Muslim repented on his sin but didn’t wanna accept Islam, Muslims’d leave him & would provide him protection too.(9:6) Their acceptance of Islam wasn’t necessary, Muslims should do good with them because if Muslims’d do good, they’d b ready to listen to Quran without mocking & in a peaceful manner, but still it was up to them that either they accepted Islam or rejected it.

    — If after 4 months they didn’t repent, Muslims’d kill them whereever they find them.

    — The state of Makkah was under the rule of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). The non-Muslims wanted to turn Him (PBUH) out from the city of Makkah with His (PBUH) followers (9:13), therefore Allah said if such non Muslims didn’t repent, Muslims’d turn them out from Makkah.

    Let’s understand the concept of “Jizya” in Islam.

    – Jizya is the amount of money or a kind of tax received by the Islamic state “only” from those non-Muslims who live within Islamic country. Islamic state receives it 4 the protection of non-Muslims. So Jizya is a “defensive tax”.

    – In 9:29 the Arabic word “Almaskanah” meaning “The residence” is mentioned. Here it means the 1 who lives within Islamic country; will have to pay Jizya.

    – This is received not only from the Christians but also from all those non-Muslims who live within Islamic country – The Jewish, the parsi or any 1 having faith other than Islam.

    – “Jizya” is paid by non-Muslims while Muslims pay “Zakat” to the Islamic state.

    – But it’s not received from the poor, the mendicant, the old, the children, the disable & from those non-Muslims who’re the part of National Army in Islamic country.

    – It’s received according to the wealth or status of non-Muslims. Hazrat Umar received 4-drhm from the rich ones & half-drhm from the 1 who wasn’t rich enough.

    – Now in modern & civilized age every country receives a number of kinds of taxes from the Muslims who live under the non-Islamic state. So if any Islamic state receives “jizya”, It’ll not b condemndable at all.

    In (Qur’an 9:29) Allah said fight those non-Muslims who broke the peace treaty & killed the innocent Muslims unless they wouldn’t repent thyself, wouldn’t live in a peaceful way, wouldn’t pay Jizya thyself (They were not paying Jizya to Islamic state; prophet Muhammad was ruling over Makkah – The Islamic state). The verse does not say that if they didn’t accept Islam, Muslims’d kill them. Notice Qur’an says fight them till they pay Jizya/tax & a good & peaceful citizen pays tax willingly. Jizya is paid by “only” non-Muslims, the Muslims don’t pay “jizya” but they pay “zakat” . So the word “Jizya” clearly shows that they could b remain as non-Muslims but they ought to pay Jizya as a good & peaceful citizen.

    So what’s inhuman? Nothing!

    U say that Allah is “moody” – If by ”moody” u mean Allah does anything He want, yes He is. But the word “moody” is not suitable 4 Allah at all, as He is the Lord of Heavens & earth. He can do anything He want, as He is an omnipotent being. The one who’s all powerful will definitely do anything He want. Allah is not unjust but still you’re at daggers drawn with Him. You’ve an issue that y did Allah order Muhammad marry more than 10 wives & many other issues like this one – All these’re your lame excuses. The fact is that you’re just an ignorant & an arrogant too, sorry, the purpose of telling u this fact is not mere to condemned u but May b u think to reform yourself because if u don’t reform yourself you’ll regret.

  53. Slave of holy propet (SAW) says

    मे इस्लाम मे पूरी आस्था र्रखता हू! मैने पगांबेर का अनुसरण करते हुये 55 वर्ष की आयु मे 6 वर्ष की कन्या से विवहा किया और और उसके 9 वर्ष का हो जाने पर उससे सेक्स किया! मेरे प्रॉफेट ने भी 54 वर्ष की आयु मे 9 वर्ष की आइसा से सेक्स किया था! मैने आपने बेटे की भौ से भी सेक्स किया जैसे प्रॉफेट ने अपने बेटे की बहू जेनाब से किया था! मे अँपने जीवन मे पूरी तरह से प्रॉफेट के कदमो पर चलने के कोशिश करता हू

  54. kewal pandit says

    Dear Agniveer ji
    i just want to say that, i was going through ‘rigvedbhashyabhumika’, many places i have read ,” teenon vedon ko”. i just want to ask is why is “teenon vedon” and not “charon vedon” is atharva veda not as important as other ved

  55. Mary Walker says

    To: All Hindus ,

    I get this is an Hindus’ website.

    I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers.

    How do you know if your God is the true God?
    How do you know if your religion is the true religion?
    Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion?
    What is unique in your religious book that force you to believe in it?
    Why do you choose to believe in Hinduism as there are so many religions?

    Can anyone address to all my questions?

    • Mary Walker says

      To: Maria (IslamicDefence) ,

      I get you are a Muslim, so let me know if you can answer my questions.

      I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers.

      How do you know if your God is the true God?
      How do you know if your religion is the true religion?
      Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion?
      What is unique in Quran that force you to believe in it?
      Why do you choose to believe in Islam as there are so many religions?

      Can you address to all my questions?

    • dogra7 says

      1)How do you know if your God is the true God?
      God is not ours, but belongs to all, so God is true in all religions

      2)How do you know if your religion is the true religion?
      Our religion is true for us as individuals, but as individuals posess own individual minds and we are not robots, any faith can be tru to the individual. Many paths to God , each path is true for the individual, Hinduism does not pass judgement

      3) Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion?
      when facts of scriptures come, then full truth of Hinduism reveals itself, but have to question and digest

      4)What is unique in your religious book that force you to believe in it?
      Nothing forces us, but questioning reasoning leads us to believe, self internalisation of scriptural main points e.g. Karma yoga -selfless service without expectation of rewards:
      http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/H%20-%20World%20Religions%20and%20Poetry/World%20Religions/From%20the%20Indian%20Tradition/Teachers%20from%20the%20Indian%20Tradition/Swami%20Vivekananda/Karma%20Yoga/VIII/Swami%20Vivekananda%20%20Ideal%20of%20Karma%20Yoga.htm

      5) Why do you choose to believe in Hinduism as there are so many religions?
      Due to synchornisation with internal thoughts with scriptures, e.g. karma yoga above

    • AD says

      EXCELLENT QUESTION. Thanks for asking…

      I think I can prove it beyond a doubt tht hinduism is true. The evidence is so strong – I think it can make atheists hindu. But its a long answer – I’ll reply when I get time.

      Until then, please ignore the other answers. Just kidding…

        • AD says

          Until I show you my ‘proof’, let me tell you why I love your question. Its the same doubt Swami Vivekananda had. It is a very honest question to ask. When he was a student – he went around asking various priests and saints two questions:

          1. Do you believe in god?
          Everybody said ‘yes’. Then he asked….

          2. Have you seen him? Or can you prove that he exists?
          And everybody of course said ‘NO’ or gave an indirect answer (like god exists everywhere and I see him in the sun, moon etc blah blah blah), until he met Ramakrishna Paramhansa who said ‘YES, of course I have seen him. I have even talked to him and can show him to you too’.
          He didn’t know what to make of the man and wether to believe him or not. Ramakrishna made Vivenakananda promise to come back to him. And like they say – the rest is history…

          I of course being hindu believe and ‘get’ these stories and that is why they are very dear to me.

          • Mary walker says

            Dear AD, you were going to give me your proof I think you forgot :) You were claiming I’ll convert hahah lol :)

    • Yash says

      Dear Mary
      Religion is to give peace and happiness to the humankind. Any part of a religion which divides people in believers and non believers and commands punishment to non believers basicaly defeats the very purpose of religion.
      Hinduism is religion which believes God IS OMNIPRESENT, is presence in the smallest particles itself. If God is every where, in each living/non living object, there has to be eternal love, no space for hatred.
      You may find many contrdictions in different hindu scriptures, no need to get confused, just see what you like and follow that. There are no set of strict rules, no fixed book etc.
      A Hindu is free to go to Churches, to temples and elsewhere because for hime God is one and it can not be different for Christians and Hindus.
      And yes, God is not fearful and a dreadful creature like that of Koran!
      A Hindu is free to pray to a God which has no shape or he may pray to Krishna with a definite shape.
      Pray that and in the way which gives you more satisfaction, because, your satisfaction alone can give you more devotion.
      Thanks!

      • Mary walker says

        dear yash thknx for reply :) So shud not get confused but just keep on acknowleding the things baised on logic reasonig

        • Yash says

          Dear Mary

          One thing more. There can not be your God and my God. If God is there, it has to be one. The way one interprets may not be the same for other. For example if one imagines God looks like Christ, he will get him in the form of Christ only . If in the form of Krishna then offcourse God is Krishna for him.
          However I strongly feel, God can not be defined by a single book and there can not be set of rules between a human being and God. It is like a relation between a mother and child.
          However, there has been a trend off late to divide the masses on the name of religion and all.In my opinion it is very very personal, community, country etc getting involved has only political reasons.

  56. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    @Mary Walker:

    Go play with traffic you will find all the answers to all your questions.

  57. Mary Walker says

    Maria,
    ” Go play with traffic you will find all the answers to all your questions.”

    so do you mean to say after death? after death I’ll find all the answers , this is a typical response from religious persons especially from muslims & christians. but i want answers in present life.
    Now see , maria without given me any answer you are showing me cold shoulder, aggressively you say I should play with traffic / suicide but dear mate i’m not insulting or degrading your faith but you gave me cold shoulder, to b friendly i want you (if you like) to comment on my question. You are a religious lady so you must have some proper answers. i want to know why & how you believe, your personal experience, why you are content. otherwise ok. good day.

    • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

      @Mary Waker:

      Your words:
      Now see , maria without given me any answer you are showing me cold shoulder, aggressively you say I should play with traffic / suicide but dear mate i’m not insulting or degrading your faith but you gave me cold shoulder, to b friendly i want you (if you like) to comment on my question. You are a religious lady so you must have some answers. i want to know why & how you believe, otherwise ok. good day.
      Re:
      No, no I didn’t mean to suggest you to suicide, that was just a slip of tongue – I’m sorry if my words hurts you. I actually mean to say you will find “satisfactory” answers after your death. I said so because I think you can’t find “satisfactory” answers as you want extraordinary answers. It’d b just like arguing just for the sake of arguments, doesn’t it?
      I hope you really want to know how & why religious people belief & their “personal” experience. As i have seen you have posted the same question at different Agniveer’s sites . But sister this is not the way to know truth. It is like crying for the moon. You want us (religious people) show you our own personal experience. But the point is how you are sure of religious people can’t lie, there may be such people who “may be” self sufficient & can lie in order to convert you. Remember you cannot subject to test one’s personal experience. ask yourself, will you accept one’s “personal” experience, I think no you’ll not. So sincere advice ,be rational go study all faiths, if any faith seems to be true, believe in it. Or otherwise the way you choose will always dismiss you. seriously!

      But still as you want my opinions, I’ll not disappoint you, I’ll give.

      Yours: How do you know if your God is the true God?
      Re:
      In my opinion the true concept of “oneness” of God can be found only in Islam – One mean only one. Nothing or none is like unto Him, in attributes, actions, decisions. God should be like that, otherwise He’ll not be a God.
      I pray to a God I called Him Allah, He helps me, If I call to Allah in difficulties & He helps me, then I ought to believe in Him & His commandments.
      I can’t tell God what should He do & what should not rather He should tell (order) me as He is an Omnipotent being , He created me, He has power over me, I’m His slave. I have submitted my will to Allah.

      Yours: How do you know if your religion is the true religion?
      Re:
      I born in a Muslim family. I’m taught my religion is the true one. I listen to the lecture of my teachers, the way they explain every thing, I find this is the true religion while anti Islamic websites make one-sided arguments, they fits everything into their own mean.
      I front of me three major religions are Islam, christianity & Hinduism.
      I’ll not accept christianity because it doesn’t explain everything,confusing!
      I’ll not accept Hinduism because Vedic God doesn’t care if someone believe or disbelieve, He’ll will not punish ( If he actually exist), so I leave it.
      I’ll not reject Islam because of some reasons, one is supplication, second one is concept of hell-fire, Yes I’m afraid from hell fire, I can’t practically prove or disprove Hell, I’m worry for myself. 3rd one is I’m studying my faith, it is confusing but the way my teachers explain it seems to be true – Amen.

      Yours :Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion?
      Re:
      Yes. In my past life when I was 13 . Those were moments of my weak belief or I can my belief in god was nearly lost.
      At that time whenever I asked myself either I had believe or had not, the answer was “NO, I had not”. I wanted to believe but couldn’t. Actually at that time I wanted to find God, I found no reason to believe in Him.
      Then I thought if He exists (as I read in Quran God is all hearing) He’ll definitely listen to me So then I started to pray to Allah,” O Allah, I don’t know either you exist or not, if you’re present & If you’re listening me then give me firm believe”. & then I started to pray to Allah in my difficulties, on thoughting if He exist He’ll help me, Then I felt He helps me. Then later on my believe in unseen superpower became firm “gradually”. It have taken a long time at least “nearly” 4-5 years to resume my faith “completely”.
      And now whenever I ask myself if I’ve believe in Allah or not, the answer is “YES”. As I said in the past I wanted to believe but “could not”; And Now I want to believe in Him & I “can”.
      One more thing as I prayed to God if He exist He’d give me believe; Now (as i’ve believe) I think He exists, therefore, He gave me believe. Now I’m satisfied.

      Your words: What is unique in Quran that force you to believe in it?
      Re:
      Unique? I don’t know. If something is truth then It should be unique. “Truth” is totally unique either it is a bitter pill to swallow or not.

      Yours: Why do you choose to believe in Islam as there are so many religions?
      Re:
      See answer to question –> “How do you know if your religion is the true religion?”.

      Sister If you wanna debate with me then this not the suitable place for “me” , youtube contain messaging system at inbox site. Send me your reply next “in case” if you wanna continue. Because this is an Agniveer’s website , because of many discussion of Muslims, some sites have been blocked by agniveer ( He has a “right” over it, as this is his own website, he want his website to b clean, everyone wants so), I don’t want any more to b block because of me. Due to this Vedantists have to face problem as they too can’t be able to write down on their own websites, it is not fair if because of Muslims their websites has been blocked. You can continue here with Vedantists but If you want me to reply then please reply me here at my youtube inbox site . “https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHLmbwZwqR-O7gArR6FGFow?feature=mhee
      If you have an account Or otherwise come here to reply back me http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/forum.php?s=ee06e42e92d161d48f0f6092b324cd83
      Thanks.

    • hinduagnostic says

      islam and chrstianity/judaism doent answer anything it is based on fear and blind belief they are just ideas stolen from other beliefs before them you should checkout buddhism,jainism,hinduism,sikhism,zorastrianianism,baha etc these are some of beliefs that are good see if they answer your questions

        • Jay Arya(hinduagnostic) says

          i cant help you then i told you what muy views are if you want to accept you can if not then okay peace to you i hope you find the truth with an open mind like i did that

        • Vinay Arya says

          Dear Mary Walker
          The so-called word “religious” which you hear is the most distorted word.This word is used for earning money,sex,rapes, and terrorist attacks.We hear that there are many religions like Christianity,Islam,Hinduism etc.They have all different faiths.Islam believes God is on the fourth sky while Christianity believes God is on the seventh sky but they still believe their God is formless.Hinduism worships Gods and Goddesses.But I have no words for explaining the way in which the Indian scriptures have been distorted.Actually,how can there be different types of religions.If the God is one he can’t make different religions.We should obey only the God made religion.But which is the God made?This is a very huge question to answer.It took one and half decade with full of vigour and hard work to Swami Dayanand to know which is the most great religion.
          Laziness,unholy etc. are opposite to religion.While Austerity,holiness,honesty are the symptoms of the true religion.I influence you to stand up from your bed and work hard to discover the truth.I am not putting any garbage like some specific cult is great on your head.Discover truth and know the religion.
          Don’t think you can’t do but think you can do everything which is possible and you have power to do that.

        • Vinay Arya says

          Never think the concept you have achieved is final but work till the concept itself does not say I am final.

          • Mary walker says

            Dear Vinay Arya thanks for ur rply yes i shud give up laziness , but it cause headache :) when i start to study religion as their are sooooooo many religion but i’ll do because its necessary. :)

          • Jay says

            Good that you are going to stop being lazy. It is up to you if you want to explore the tenets of different faiths more in depth instead of randomly coming to different religious sites that you have no clue about nor show that you care, disrespectfully not bothering to read the article where you post your off topic question and hijacking the thread to center around your needs. It is good that you quit being lazy and self centered and disrespectful. You may not find a religion to your needs, but at least you should be a better person at the end of it.

          • Mary walker says

            dear jay , yup i got it what u wrote, 1st of al lll read the article & ll never write anything off the topic, thnx :)

  58. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    @hinduagnostic:

    Your words:
    “Islam and Christianity/Judaism don’t answer anything it is based on fear and blind belief they are just ideas stolen from other beliefs”.

    Re:
    I had made up my mind I’d never write here but couldn’t help replying ( But I bet this will be my last & final posting on this website In-shaa-Allah). Your post is meant for Mary Walker but as you’re talking about Islam so I have to reply.

    “Islam doesn’t answer anything”?
    “ANYTHING”? Oh really? Not true. It does – You can “NOT” say It doesn’t answer “ANYTHING”. I agree about many things we don’t know we just know Allah knows best. But it “DOES” answer “MANY THINGS” with logic.

    “Islam is based on fear”?
    Many including me feel fear but NOT all. Many are careless of Hell-fire they are hoping for Allah’s mercy . But I love Allah too. So my basis is my love with Allah too. And I give priority to my heartiest feeling for my Allah Ta’ala. BUT I don’t ignore hell-fire as I cannot disprove if I cannot prove it.

    “Blind belief”?
    To all of them who don’t study faith but not for all. If one don’t study Islam in depth one will be always confuse, but if one study Qur’anic words in depth one can find many answers. So the knowledge of verses with context & root Arabic words must be to know the truth. I can say Islam is confusing for me only “If ” I don’t have knowledge, I have been reading the articles by Agniveer these confuse me too, while talking about Islam It’ll not confuse if one have knowledge. All the Hadiths & verses written in anti-Islam websites are mere “translations” , translations are translations & original test is original text. We have preserve original text in Arabic (O, yes I get this (Arabic language) is the unique thing in Islam but as truth is utterly unique either it’s a bitter pill to swallow or not) & in anti-Islamic websites a number Hadith may be concocted or they pic the Hadith which are Za’eef i.e weak in authenticity, more importantly they translate them the way they want.

    May peace be on all those who follow the true guidance. May Allah put mercy on all those who follow the false guidance & guide them. Amen!

    • hinduagnostic says

      arabc to english translation is done by your scholors we read them and even if you have knowledge about islam it doesnt mean anything i have studied all main religions and islam and christianity are not true if you want to believe in islam then you can believe

    • Jay says

      It is a pathetic cop out to say Arabic cannot be translated to other languages. It can and it is every day. What this is is a dodge by Muslims when people read for themselves in their own language the ugly things that Islam writes. Muslims have no rebuttal against people reacting with disgust to the ugly things Islamic scriptures write about. So they lamely say it wasn’t translated well. How dumb of Allah to have this holy words in a language so difficult to translate to other languages around the world. But in truth it is not. It is a weak ploy by Muslims against richly deserved criticism.

      • Amul Arya(Abu Masood) says

        yes but the difference is their translations are done by islamic scholors accepted by all and widly read

        • Jay says

          I am including those translations done by Islamic scholars for Muslim audience in non-Arabic speaking countries. People still react with disgust. What we see is still the ugliness out of Islam. It does not get better. Mohammed married his daughter in law, Mohammed married a 6 year old child when he was in his 50s and then consummated the relationship when she turned 9 and not yet reached puberty. Killing “kaffirs” until Muslims rule over them. That all translates the same.
          Koran 9:5 “When the sacred months are passed, kill the kafirs wherever you find them. Take them as captives, besiege them, and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. If they submit to Islam, observe prayer, and pay the poor tax, then let them go their way. Allah is gracious and merciful.”

        • Jay says

          Arab Muslims are not the only ones who can speak Arabic. Arabs of other faiths speak the language fluently as well. They do not have any language barrier to speaking Arabic and reading the Koran in Arabic. The most successful Arab and Arabic speaking man confronting the disturbing Islamic scriptures is Zakaria Botros. By Islam’s own sacred scriptures Mohammed does not come off well.
          “…Botros was quick to respond by saying that it is not he that insults Muhammad but rather Islam’s books. He, once again, insisted that he’s merely a reader, who is bringing to the table what he reads—”So don’t be angry with me!” he says, somewhat tongue in cheek. “If you don’t like it, then go and burn all those books that portray him so and leave me alone!”…” http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/was-muhammad-a-messenger-from-god-or-satan/

          • Jay says

            Botros is successful in the Arabic speaking world because he can speak classical Arabic and quotes from Islamic scholars. There is no excuse of translation or not quoting from Islamic scriptures. Instead of bolstering Islam, reading it in Arabic and quoting from Islamic scriptures and scholars only gives strength to the criticisms that Muslims cannot refute.

            “…First, the new media — particularly satellite TV and the Internet (the main conduits for Life TV) — have made it possible for questions about Islam to be made public without fear of reprisal. It is unprecedented to hear Muslims from around the Islamic world — even from Saudi Arabia, where imported Bibles are confiscated and burned — call into the show to argue with Botros and his colleagues…

            Secondly, Botros’s broadcasts are in Arabic — the language of some 200 million people, most of them Muslim. While several Western writers have published persuasive critiques of Islam, their arguments go largely unnoticed in the Islamic world. Botros’s mastery of classical Arabic not only allows him to reach a broader audience, it enables him to delve deeply into the voluminous Arabic literature — much of it untapped by Western writers who rely on translations — and so report to the average Muslim on the discrepancies and affronts to moral common sense found within this vast corpus.

            A third reason for Botros’s success is that his polemical technique has proven irrefutable. Each of his episodes has a theme — from the pressing to the esoteric — often expressed as a question (e.g., “Is jihad an obligation for all Muslims?”; “Are women inferior to men in Islam?”; “Did Mohammed say that adulterous female monkeys should be stoned?” “Is drinking the urine of prophets salutary according to sharia?”). To answer the question, Botros meticulously quotes — always careful to give sources and reference numbers — from authoritative Islamic texts on the subject, starting from the Koran; then from the canonical sayings of the prophet — the Hadith; and finally from the words of prominent Muslim theologians past and present — the illustrious ulema.

            Typically, Botros’s presentation of the Islamic material is sufficiently detailed that the controversial topic is shown to be an airtight aspect of Islam. Yet, however convincing his proofs, Botros does not flatly conclude that, say, universal jihad or female inferiority are basic tenets of Islam. He treats the question as still open — and humbly invites the ulema, the revered articulators of sharia law, to respond and show the error in his methodology. He does demand, however, that their response be based on “al-dalil we al-burhan,” — “evidence and proof,” one of his frequent refrains — not shout-downs or sophistry.

            More often than not, the response from the ulema is deafening silence — which has only made Botros and Life TV more enticing to Muslim viewers. The ulema who have publicly addressed Botros’s conclusions often find themselves forced to agree with him — which has led to some amusing (and embarrassing) moments on live Arabic TV…” http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/223965/islams-public-enemy-1/raymond-ibrahim#

          • anti-agni says

            @jay. moolshankar was not the only sanskrit speaking or sanskrit scholar who claims to know the veda. dr. ved prakash upadhyaya had written many books in which he proves that kalki or antim rishi who is eagerly awaited by hindus is prophet Muhammad of Islam . he has altogether different view from moolshankar and he has given a balance view to Hindus. previously moolshankar has given wrong meanings to veda. Moolshankar was the founder of hate monger cult of hindus named aryasamaj.

            there are many hindu scholars of Sanskrit who believe in pantheism or many gods. swami vivekanand believe that hindus should faith in crores gods and he has given arguments from veda. no aryasamaji is able to refute his allegations.

            it is not the case that there are only hindus who claim to understand veda, dr. zakir naik a prominent muslim scholar prove from his study that veda may be teachings of any prophet of islam from Indian subcontinent . it is his firm belief that Allah never leave any country untouched from hidaya. at later stages veda have been corrupted but still they have prphecy about prophet Muhammad . he always politely invite aryasamajis and all hindus to read their scriptures with understanding and accept islam .no aryasamaji is able to answer him unless mistrabslating veda.

            have you got your answer ?

          • Vinay Arya says

            Adamant nature is at the highest level in you anti-agni.Show us where Vedas say to worship many Gods.Stop giving reference of Vedic mantras from other’s commentaries.USe only Maharshi Dayanand’s commentary.fayada to tum logo ne bahut uthaya.ab age dekhna kya hota hai.

          • Jay says

            @anti-agni
            Once again you bring up Aryasamaj and Moolshankar. You are stupidly assuming I have anything to do with either. Since I have not read any works by Moolshankar and Aryasamaj anything you write about them is irrelevant to me as I do not get my information from them. Zero zip nada. It is you who is blindly obsessed with Moolshankar and Aryasamaj and it is you who see things through Moolshankar and Aryasamaj everywhere, not me. Wake up.

            Also somehow you think I share your prejudices against polytheism. So what if a faith any faith is polytheistic. It would not make me automatically think Islam is better just because it copied the oneness of God from Judaism.

            Zaik is barred from several Western countries from entering such as Canada because of his violent statements. He is persona non grata. He is the last person I would respect so referring to him does not help your propaganda. I’ve seen this fool on You Tube. Not impressed. He says the same garbage as Christian proselytizers about Hinduism.

            Muslims also lamely pathetically claim that Judaism and Christianity prophesied about Mohammed. Of all the religions of the world the two earlier Abrahamic faiths should have, but NEITHER do. Judaism only speaks of one messiah. Christianity has no one coming after Jesus who they claim is the Messiah Jews are waiting for. Neither Abrahamic faith prophesied Mohammed. Mohammed by himself, claimed to be the last prophet of the Jews with no scriptural support from either Judaism or Christianity. So what is the excuse Muslims give to explain such an embarrassment? Oh the scriptures of Judaism and Christianity have been corrupted. Notice the same pattern here so now when confronted with another faith they go saying the same thing they did with the Abrahamic faiths. Suddenly Hinduism too prophesied Mohammed and has been corrupted – it does not speak of Mohammed. Islam is the Arabized paganized derivative of Judaism. There is nothing of Hinduism in it. Hinduism would not have as its heir an Arab pagan who knew nothing of any of the Vedic concepts, whose brutal followers would destroy our temples and murder our people in the millions. Mohammed did not fully understand even Judaism which he claims to be the last prophet of. His Islam is a sad inaccurate distorted version of the Jewish people’s faith, Judaism. He had zero knowledge of Sanatan Dharma from a land he never even went to.

            All Muslims do is say the older more ancient faith prophesied Mohammed when NOT ONE did, not Judaism, not Christianity, not Hinduism, and they excuse this embarrassing fact by saying the older religions’ scriptures have been corrupted.

  59. Sanatan Dharma says

    Difference in Vedic religion and Islam are as follows:
    a. Vedas say worship only one God, Islam says apart of worshipping one God, one also has to believe in Muhammad, Angels, Judgment Day, Heaven, Hell even though one never saw them.
    b. Vedas say souls take births after births till they eradicate all ignorance through efforts, afterwhich they go to Heaven/ Salvation forever. This is not a palatial place, but a state of ultimate bliss. Islam believes this is only birth and after that there is eternal Hell or Heaven as described in Quran/ Hadiths.
    c. Vedas say one should only follow truth after proper verification and analysis. Even belief in Vedas is not necessary unless one is convinced. But Islam says that one has to believe in Quran and other Sunnahs regardless of whether he has understood or not, if he has to go to heaven. So bulk of Muslims dont even know arabic but still have to blindly follow Quran.
    d. Vedas is a way of life. There is no concept of believer and non-believers. Everyone follows Vedas in some aspects and does not in other. Depending upon what he follows and what he does not, Ishwar helps soul with appropriate situations to help him realize truth every moment. Even after death the process continues. In Islam, one can enter religion but punishment for leaving is death. This life is supposed to be a test and Ishwar does not help continuously.
    I suggest you review all the articles in Vedas section of the site to understand the Vedic concept more clearly. I am sure that will convince you that Vedas is the source for La-Illaha-Lilallah (There is only one God) and rejects even repetition of Muhammad Rasul Allah because God is so powerful that He does not need any agents.

    FInally, no one on earth can cite even one single new useful information/advise that Quran brought but was not already there in Vedas.

    I welcome you to the way of life of truth and wisdom and peace. It may take time to analyze but if you are guided by truth alone, you shall reach the destiny.

    May Peace be Upon you!

  60. Yash says

    An extract from FFI article (www.faithfreedom.org)
    “British Islam-expert and former sharia jurist Sam Solomon told Dispatch International some time ago: Islam is forced to be constantly on the attack because it cannot defend itself. He pointed out that Islam cannot withstand objective scrutiny of its holy scripture and history. If people really take an interest in the Koran’s contradictions and nonsense, Islam’s spokesmen have no arguments. According to Sam Solomon, they are well aware of this fact and must therefore always be on the offensive with threats and indoctrination in order to dissuade people from entertaining any doubt”

    • Jay says

      Which is why one ploy is to say the translations are not correct and you must read the Arabic. Arabic is translated into other languages every day. No problem. The truth is that Muslims have no argument when the ugly things written in Islamic scriptures are read by people in their own language. The mysticism is gone the ugliness of what it teaches is there clearly.

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