While I have always been critical of his approach and conclusions, I always admired Dr Zakir Naik’s sincerity and loyalty to Muslims. I was impressed by his gigantic efforts in studying thousands of pages of scriptures and selecting verses that could be used to derive whatever crazy interpretations he has derived to prove Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in all world scriptures. I always used to wonder how he could gain all the time and energy to do so despite such a busy schedule of lecturing world around!

But suddenly I came across a book “Muhammad in World Scriptures” by Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi written in 1936. And I was shocked to find that Dr Zakir Naik has done NOTHING MORE THAN simply copying-pasting from this book, mostly word-to-word and cooked up his own ‘original’ research which he uses to claim that he is an expert in ‘Comparative Religion’. This is blatant plagiarization! And that too from a source that his followers consider worse than Kafirs.

So all Dr Zakir Naik has done is copying from works of another person, memorizing those and claiming all the fame for himself! And he did this so blindly that he did not bother even see the background of the original writer or how he has backstabbed his followers in the process.

Because Maulana Adbul Haque Vidyarthi was not an ordinary Muslim.

On contrary, he belonged to a cult which almost the entire Muslim world, and especially the sects which believe in ideology of Dr Zakir Naik considers as non-Muslim. They are in fact banned in Pakistan and many other countries. Ask any Muslim scholar, and he would start hurling abuses on them for disgracing Islam and Muhammad.

Yes, I am referring to the Ahmadiyya or Qadiyani cult. Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi was a disciple of its founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed who is considered worse than a Kafir by all Muslims who are fan of Dr Zakir Naik.

The reasons why Muslims hate Ahmadiyyas and refuse to consider them as Muslims are because they hold certain beliefs that no Muslim and follower of Dr Zakir Naik would dare to agree. Some are as follows:
a. Ahmadiyyas believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was a Prophet or Messenger, and this is ‘shirk’ – unpardonable sin as per Muslims
b. Ahmadiyyas believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed continued to receive new revelations
c. Ahmadiyyas believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmed to be a Messiah
d. Ahmadiyyas believe that Ram, Krishna, Buddha, Ashoka and Guru Nanak were also Prophets
e. Ahmadiyyas believe that Kalki Avatar would also be the final Prophet

and most importantly, the founder of Ahmadiyya cult is alleged to have hurled abuses and even cursed to Hell those who refused to believe in his prophethood!

The concept of Avtar is a ‘shirk’ as per Islam. All Islamic Madarsa teach books of Maulvi Md Ismail which specifically states that anyone believing in Avtars or further Prophets or Avtars as Prophets is doing ‘shirk’.

Dr Zakir Naik knows all this – that is why in FAQ on Hinduism, he refused to accept that Vedas can be revelations.

But he forgot that the material he has used to write other articles are directly lifted from Maulana Abdul Haque’s writings who agrees that Vedas are revelations. Thus  proving Prophet in Vedas or Bhavishya Puran is fine with Ahmadiyyas because that is how they justify prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad also.

But for all other Muslims, on whose faith popularity of Dr Zakir Naik rests, this is ‘kufra’.

While these writings do not affect Hindus or even Buddhists, Christians etc much, they definitely backstab a devout Muslim, especially when source of reference is not being quoted.

In summary, Dr Zakir Naik is guilty of :
a. Copying directly, even word to word, from works of Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi, an Ahmadiyya without even quoting his references. This is blatant plagiarism.
b. Using his own name instead to falsely proclaim that he is expert on comparative religion
c. Cheating with other Muslims who consider Ahmadiyya and their beliefs to be worse than those of Kafirs
d. Backstabbing his blind followers who quote his works without realizing that Dr Zakir Naik has made them follow ideology of Qadianis/ Ahmadiyyas.
e. Trying to prove Vedas and Puran contain revelations of Muhammad but also refusing to clear admit Vedas as revelations. Thus he has deliberately not made clear whether in reality Dr Zakir Naik is a Qadiyani or not.

Only Dr Zakir Naik knows what is the real truth and what is his true mission. But his backstabbing has left his blind followers nowhere. Either they will have to admit to Ahmadiyya beliefs, which is the complete foundation of his writings and ‘research’ or regret their faith in Dr Zakir Naik being a Muslim.It seems obvious that Dr Zakir Naik is actually a Qadiyani/Ahmadiyya in disguise trying to fool common Muslims. But why does he need to put this disguise? Is it because Ahmadiyyas are persecuted in all Muslim countries? Or is it that he is a spy with some other hidden agenda. Or perhaps, the way he claims to have discovered new researches in Quran that even Allah, Muhammad, Ali et al could not discover, he is laying foundation of his own Prophethood!

And as per Islamic Criminal Law, that Dr Zakir Naik is such a great fan of, he himself can decide what should be the most appropriate punishment for him. Sharia says that a thief’s hands should be chopped off. Hadiths say that one who deserts his faith or community should be killed. This is time to test how sincere are Dr Zakir Naik and Muslims who have followed him so far, to the teachings of their own divine texts.

I am attaching the scan of the book with this post so that everyone can see Dr Zakir Naik’s fraud with his own people themselves. You can download original here.

You can view (not-so) original article(s) of Dr Zakir Naik at IRF website: http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145&Itemid=128 to compare with the original.





To know more about Qadiyanis, please visit:

or any Qadiyani site for that matter.


Here I provide comparison of work of Dr Zakir Naik and Maulana Vidyarthi, as explained by a Qadiyani Zahid Aziz.

1. Zakir Naik’s article gives various prophecies under four headings. Under the first heading (I) are three prophecies from the book Bhavishya Purana. The first of these is given as follows:

“A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj), after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins), offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, I make obeisance to thee. O Ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents.”

This is also the first prophecy in Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi’s book. It is identical with the quotation in Zakir Naik’s article. Except that in the Maulana’s book the word malecha is spelt as malechha, and his quotation has the following extra words at the end: “O Ye! The image of the Most Pious God, the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet.

2. After quoting the prophecy, Zakir Naik’s article draws out six points from it. The Maulana, after quoting the prophecy, lists ten points. We find that Zakir Naik’s first three points are the same as the Maulana’s first three points, and his points (4), (5) and (6) are the same as numbers (10), (7) and (6) respectively of the Maulana. The wording is also very similar.

For example, point (3) in both begins with the words: Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet”.

3. Following these six points, there are two further comments in Zakir Naik’s article. The first is in answer to the objection that Raja Bhoj lived in the 11th century C.E. The objection and its answer as given in this article are exactly as in the Maulana’s book, namely, that there was not just one Raja Bhoj. The article says:
The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj.”

while the Maulana’s book has:
Just as the Egyptian monarchs were known as Pharaohs and the Roman kings were called Kaisers, similarly, the Indian rajas were given the epithet of Bhoj

4. The second comment relates to the part of the prophecy about giving the promised one a bath in the Ganges, and the article says:
The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom

The same comment is found in the Maulana’s book in the following words:
“Another point which requires elucidation is the Prophet’s taking bath in ‘Panchgavya’ and the water of the Ganges. This did not, of course, actually happen as it was only a vision; so we give it the interpretation that the Prophet will be purged of and made immune from all sorts of sins.”

5. The second prophecy from the book Bhavishya Purana in Zakir Naik’s article is also the second prophecy in the Maulana’s chapter. It begins with the words:
The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country.

The wording of the entire prophecy (of which about one-tenth is given above) is identical in the article and the book.

6. Following the prophecy, Zakir Naik’s article makes ten points about it, while the Maulana’s book makes twelve points. Naik’s first two points are the same as the Maulana’s first two points. His 3rd to his 10th point are the same as the Maulana’s points (5) to (12), in the same order.

7. The third and final prophecy from the book Bhavishya Purana in Zakir Naik’s article begins as follows:
Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc

In the Maulana’s book also, this is the next prophecy, and is given in almost the same words.

8. We now reach the second heading (II) in Zakir Naik’s article. Under this are given three prophecies from the Atharva Veda. In the Maulana’s book also, these are the prophecies that occur next.

Each and every point noted in the article about these prophecies is to be found in the Maulana’s book, in the same order. Below I list the chief aspects of these prophecies as mentioned in Zakir Naik’s article and place in parenthesis the page number in Muhammad in World Scriptures where the same is mentioned:
Kuntap, which is the name of some chapters of the Atharva Veda, stands for Bakkah, a name of Makkah.
The word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’ and refers to the Holy Prophet.
The Holy Prophet is prophesied as the camel-riding rishi.
He is called Mamah Rishi and given certain signs such as a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets, etc.
He is called Rebh, which means the same as the name ‘Ahmad’.
The battle of the Allies of the Holy Prophet’s time is described and the word karo refers to the Holy Prophet.
The conquest of Makka is prophesied and the Holy Prophet is termed as an abandhu, meaning a helpless man.

9. Coming now to the third heading (III) in Zakir Naik’s article, under it one prophecy is briefly mentioned, to the effect that the Sanskrit word sushrava in the Rig Veda applies to the Holy Prophet. The same is in the Maulana’s book.

10. The fourth and final heading in Zakir Naik’s article gives one prophecy, which is from the Sama Veda, and it is translated as follows:
Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.
This prophecy is found in similar words in the Maulana’s book.

11. Zakir Naik’s article then makes three points about this prophecy. The first of these is that the word ‘Ahmad’ here has been read by previous translators not as a name but as Ahm at hi and therefore they translated the mantra as alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”. These three points under this prophecy are found in the Maulana’s discussion.

12. At this point Zakir Naik’s article comes to an end — and so does the chapter ‘The Prophet in the Hindu Scriptures’ in Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi’s book.

It can be seen that the article by Zakir Naik is nothing at all more than a greatly compressed version of certain parts of the Maulana’s treatment of the subject, following exactly the same order as in the Maulana’s book.

No doubt a later author can make use of the work of an earlier one, but if he benefits substantially from it then integrity requires that he must acknowledge the source.

In this case, the later author has merely repeated the results of the earlier work without any contribution at all by himself, and with no mention of the earlier work.

Do Hindu scriptures contain any Divine revelations?

The research by the Maulana was based on the teaching of Islam that prophets from God had appeared among all nations before the Prophet Muhammad. Muslim scholars had generally limited this to the Israelite prophets and a few others.

Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad revived and laid stress on this unique teaching and concluded from it that the great sacred persons of the Hindu religion must have been true prophets and its scriptures must have been Divine revelations originally. It was on the basis of this belief that the Maulana found prophecies about the Holy Prophet Muhammad in Hindu scriptures. This is why, in explaining the second prophecy given above, the Maulana writes:
The coming prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith.

However, Dr Zakir Naik has stated, in a different place, that the Vedas may not be revealed scriptures. Answering the question, whether we can consider the Vedas and the other Hindu Scriptures to be the revelations of God?, he replies:

There is no text in the Quran or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the revelation that was sent to India. Since the names of the Vedas or other Hindu scriptures are no where to be found in Quran and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure that they were the revelations of God. They may be the revelation of God or may not be the revelation of God.

If nothing at all in them was revealed by God, then how did prophecies about the advent of the Holy Prophet come to be in these books? If they may not be revelations at all, then it is also possible that the quotations from them given by Dr Zakir Naik may not be prophecies about the Holy Prophet Muhammad revealed by God.

Interestingly, in his article Dr Naik has actually copied the Maulana’s statement above: The coming prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, which means that the Holy Prophet confirmed that those scriptures were originally revealed by God. Perhaps Dr Naik did not realise that this contradicts his own belief expressed elsewhere.

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/2971/naikexposed-hi/

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/2971/naikexposed-hi/

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  1. Dear all, I believe that our last prophet was Mohammed(S.A.W) and most of the muslims do. When coming to Ahmadiyya, they are going against Quran and Hadith which proves that Muhammad(SAW) is the last prophet.

    When Zakir Naik doesn’t follow Ahmaddiya why he will be following their writing which again will be against his own sect. Agniveer, you big story has nothing useful than criticizing someone. Better you write something which will be helpful to others.

    When you believe that he has great learning and remembrance, then its a god gifted. Show me one in the world who can remember end number of scriptures and ready for the debate at any point in time.

    • question is not only who is saying. we have to analyze the content whether it match with quran or prohet story or does it making any sense of human understanding. for example if KASAB the terrorist has view or say STRICT LAW to IMPLEMENT for the RAPIST. Will u not favour the strict law jsut becoz kasab has same view. so lets talk sense.
      Shri Shri Ravi Shanker agree that prophet was mention in bavishaya purana. do u acceot that?
      we hav to analyze what purana say , does it gel with prophet and to what extent.
      and islam dont need the confirmation from other book to show its truth.
      whether it match or doesnt . it doesnt affect the glory of islam.

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  3. Agniveer (and others), please read about Political Islam. It has everything to do with Islams plans for non-Muslims such as Hindus http://www.politicalislam.com/principles/pages/five-principles/

    This site and the articles and books are vital for all non-Muslims to understand.


    Islam is a cultural, religious and political system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated. The Islamic political system is contained in the Koran, the Hadith (the traditions of Mohammed) and his biography, the Sira.

    Our mission is to educate the world about political Islam, its founder Mohammed, his political doctrine and his god, Allah.”

    • We know your mission very well Fatima to destroy all civilizations not Muslim. You don’t get it. No one cares if you call god Allah, and pray five times a day. We have no interest in abolishing that. If that was all Islam was about there would be no issue with us. But it is your violent mission to destroy all non-Muslim civilizations and subjugate non-Muslim people to your Islamic rule that is the problem. That is what we will fight, fight for OUR survival against your global supremacist goal.

  4. Dear Brother AGNIVEER. YOU are REALLY AGNIVEER!!!!!

    FIRE HERO!!!!! May the holy Rishis Bless you and Protect you.

    As a fellow Sanathan Dharmi I am thrilled and overwhelmed by the Grand Magnificent work you are doing. I humbly join my little strength with your GREAT STRENGTH in contributing towards protecting our GREAT SANATHAN DHARMA!

    The ANUGRAHA and RAKSHA fall on you for SUCCESS from the Great ever-living ancient Rishis and from the ever-living ancient Divine Warriors as well!

  5. Muslims are the biggest image worshippers. Muslims are frauds and hypocrites when they do not admit this truth. When they say the name “Mohammad”, automatically the image of a man comes to the mind. The image of a 7th century Arab comes to mind. When you say “mountain”, automatically the image of a mountain comes to mind. When you say the word “river” or think of it the picture of a river comes to mind.

    This is the law of the mind and thinking process. You cannot force the mental image to go away. Muslims say “no image worship”. OK. But how will the Muslims be able to destroy mental images? This proves that the insane, crazy muslims are against all mental laws and against all original thinking.

    • For your kind information if u r a literate person then u must know that images r not worshiped……. They r not kept in front of us like hindus and we don’t bow in front of anything except Allah and we do not worship Muhammad…….

      • @Fatima: Then why is it important to say “i bear witness that Allah is the only god and MUHAMMD IS HIS MESSENGER” can one become Muslim by Saying only “I bear witness that there is no god but Allah ” and leave the second part out…? Even in Azaan you people repeat the same cry about Muhammad , though it said to be call for prayer (which made sense only in the desert times when there were no Alarm clocks.),why does one need to mention Muhammd in a call for prayer. to Allah.

      • Because we love our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and whoever doesn’t believe oh him is not a Muslim….. By saying the kalma we enter in Islam and if we do not practice it we r not muslims

      • You said you bow only to allah and no one else….so how come Satan was punished for this? he refused to bow to adam, who allah created with his own hands from mud/clay…why was satan thrown out of heaven and deprived of his 72 virgins and rivers of wine?

      • Satan was thrown out because he went against the commands of Allah……. Angels were made to do whatever Allah says but he refused to follow the commandments of Allah that’s why he was thrown out…..

  6. SATANIC VERSES KI SACCHAI – aaj tak satanic verses ki sacchai samne nahi aayi thi,pahli baar raj khul raha hai.sabhi budhimani logonko ye baat samaj me nahi aayi ki,jo aayate allah ke 3 beti,bete ka zikr karti hai,us me do ayte pahale thi aur bad me,nikali gayi.uska khulasa ki, wo aayte shaitan ne muhammad ki zuban me utarkar kahi.aisa sabhi log mante hai,ab raj ki baat ye hai,ye kaisa ho sakta hai? Shaitan sirf do ayto ke liye kaam kare?baki ki quran ki aayte kyo nahi dikhi?agar hum thik se dekhe to ye kaam shaitan ka nahi lagta.phir sawal hai,ki ye aayte kisne likhi?yahi raaj ab khulnewala ha,.JAB MUHAMMAD KO PATA THA ARAB JO AL-LAT UZZA AUR MANAT KI PUZA KARTE HAI,TO AGAR MAIN UNKE IN TEEN DEVTA KO BHI MANU TO YE MUZPAR YAKIN ,VISHVAS KARENGE.IS LIYE USNE KHUD YE AAYAT BANAI.PAR JAB USKA KAAM HO GAYA TO USNE HI USKO SHAITAN KA KAAM KARAR DIYA.TAKI KISIKO SHAQ NA HO.AAJ TAK LOG US KO SHAITAN KI AAYTE KAHTE HAI.PAR QURAN KHUD MUHAMMAD AAPNE MAN SE BOLTA THA,KOI ALLAH NAHI KOI GIBRAIL NAHI THA.ISKA PRAMAN KHUD QURAN HAI.DEKHE SURA FURKAN 4-5.

    • U r trying to refer out of context and there is nothing like this written in Surah Furqan Ayat 4-5 ……….. Quran are the words of ALLAH thats why till now it is the same as revealed 1400 yrs back and their is no interference in Holy Quran like other books….

      • I asked you a simple question, why is there so much hatred in your words? if someone wants to clarify something about your religion, is this how you talk to them? Do i seem like an illiterate to you??!

        I want to know:
        1. why mohammed had so 12 wives including a 6 year old child aisha for his sexual desires. was mohammed a nympomaniac? I have read he raped his prisoners as well…was he that insatiable?!

        2. Why is thuggery, rape, loot, killing amongst other heinous crimes permitted in islam? isn’t it meant to be the religion of peace?

        3. if you are saying god created everything, he must be the father of all….why is he so hate filled towards his own children? According to your book, we are all born muslims…so why does he hate us so much?

        e.g. I am a keen football fan, if my one of my sons wanted to be a cricketer, is it right for me to hate him, treat him brutally or to banish him and wish him hell, even if he was a good child, helped others and excelled in humanity??

        I look forward to your answers

      • @Fatima the root word of Islam is NOT salam. See explanation below. Sad you don’t even know that.

        That you continue to use the derogatory word Kaffir reveals a lot about your cheap character and what Islam teaches you. You are no better than the white racist who uses the n-word for blacks. But you are an excellent example of Muslim character when you continue to use the derogatory word Kaffir. The neutral word if you are a truly a descent human being, which at this point I doubt since you just love using the derogatory word Kaafir, is non-Muslim.

        And it makes no sense when you say “Quran doesn’t describe all other religions because at that time there were no jews or christans but only kaafirs who associated partners with ALLAH.” First of all if there were no Jews or Christians but only “Kaffirs” as you put it then the Koran should be describing the religions that existed (the “Kaafir” religions) and not the ones that did not exist yet which you say is Judaism and Christianity. You are totally illogical. Even about that you are wrong. Mohammed was born at a time after Judaism and Christianity, so they BOTH did exist and many faiths of the world already existed as well. If anything the Koran should have described not only Judaism and Christianity which contrary to what you said did exist by then, but all the other religions of the world also in existence at that time. It is a great big hole in the Koran that it does not describe all the religions as it pretends to be the book for the whole world.

        Main Article: The Meaning of Islam

        Lissan al-Arab, one of the most authoritative lexicons of the Arabic language, mentions that the word ‘Islam’ is derived from the root verb istaslama (استسلاما); which means ‘to submit’ or ‘give in’ or ‘surrender’, while the term salam (سلام) means peace, a truce, or a non-warring state.

        The word Islam derives from the Arabic triconsonantal root sīn-lām-mīm (SLM [ س ل م ]). Many different words are created from this root word by inserting different vowels between the three root consonants. Many English speakers wrongly assume that if two Arabic words share the same root word then their meanings are related when in reality the fact that some words share the same root word does not imply a relationship between the meanings of the words. For instance, all of these words are derived from the root S-L-M:
        Word Arabic Meaning
        Islam اسلام Submission
        Salam سلام Well-being/Peace
        (Derivation of) Salama سلما The stinging of a snake or the tanning of the leather
        Saleema سليما To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a female)
        Saleem سليم To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a male)
        Aslam اسلم To submit
        Istaslama استسلاما To surrender
        Musal مسل Undisputed
        Tasleem تسليم To receive a salutation or becoming submitted
        Many people have wrongly attempted to equate the word Islam with peace by showing that Islam, meaning ‘submission’, shares a root word with Salaam, meaning ‘peace’. But if such relationships between the meanings of Arabic words can be created then that would imply that there is a relationship between one of the derivations of the infinitive Salama, meaning the stinging of the snake or tanning the leather, and Salam, meaning peace; a relationship which obviously does not exist. ” http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam

  7. @fatima,Ye MARZI ka kya arth hai??? Kaydekanun ki bina kaydekanun? Dekho Uski marzi hui to hindu ko zannat dega aur muslims ko jahannam???uski marzi hui to isai aur yahudi ko zannat aur muslim ko jahannam??uski marzi hui to muhammad par naraj jejus par khush??uski marzi hui to quran mananewale ko saja dega aur na mananewale ko chod dega??? Ye marzi kya hai?? Tum kahogi na na na na?????ye hoga nahi??to ye kayadekanun hua ki nahi?? Jo quran,allah,muhammad, ko manega sirf usko hi zannat ye yaha to kayada kanun,niyam aa gaya.phir marzi ka kya ho gaya??yahudi aur isai ko jahannum bhejega uski marzi se jannat thode hi bhejega?ye marzi ka jhamela kya hai?

  8. @fatima,kyo bechare allah ko pareshani me dal rahi ho.?hahaha allah ko Bina smruti ke iska khayal kaise aaya? duniya uski smruti me thi to pahale ki duniya kaha hai?aur aise hi duniya banata aur mitata to wo kya pagal hai?mitana hai to banaya kyo? duniya banate waqt powerful tha sirf ho ja kaha aur ho gayi,par aadmi ke samne itna bebas kyo hai??Quran ko kahta satya ho ja to ho jati,bichare muhamad ko sataya kyo?kyo darbdar ye satya kitab hai kahalwaya?kyo namaj,azan,hajj karne ki taklif di?

  9. jab aadmi sapna dekhta hai,tab wo aapne bhitar pura jagat nirmit karta hai.jaisa jagat bahar hota hai vaise hi bhitar hota hai.bahar,chand,suraj,aakash,zamin,diwar achal hai to us ke sapne me bhi wo achal hote hai.is ka arth hua wo jo duniya banata hai wo apni man ki shakti se banata hai.koi bhi mehanat,samugri,sadhan use nahi karta.kyo wo allah ka sathidar nahi hai kya???thodi der ke liye to wo duniya banta hai,duniya me rahta hai,aur duniya ko distroy bhi karta hai,wo creator bhi hai distroyer bhi hai,is se bhi wo sathidar nahi hoga?????hahaha…..


      ALLAH PAK ney ye dunia banaya aur wo ALLAH PAk ki marzi hai k jab chaye isay destroy karey aur jab chaye banaye usey koi rokhney wala nhi hai…..

      • param pujya bahan fatima ji , jarayah bhi sath me batlaiye aur sochiye bhi allah me yah duniya kyo banayi agar uski marji hai to marji ka bhi koi karan bhi hona chahiye kya kurani allah koi atankvadi ,pagal, moodi, tana shah adi hai jo uski marji chalegi , koi bat tark yukt bhi to honi chahiye ? usko koi rokne vala hai ki ya nahi mukhy bat yah nahi balki uske niyam kya hai? uske siddhant kya hai? vivad isi bat ka hai ! kurani allah ka star[Qvality] kaisa hai /

      • mahamahim bahan Fatima ji ,agar ap urdu- hindi me likhe to jyada behatar rahega ! apke uttar ke intjzar me ?

      • murkhta se purn ans ..allah ne duniya kab banai yeh batao pehle kya adam, ko kun fiyakun kahne se aadam nahi ban sakta tha …aur kis chiz se duniya banai ..kya material use kiya

  10. @rsdfgg,pagalonme awwal,tu pahale apne chitt ko saf kar,shudh kar sab vishwas se mukt ho ja swikar kar ki allah ek mithak hai,false concept hai,muhammad ki dimagi soch hai.fir tuze mai ved ka gyan dunga….ha.ha.ha..bina allah ka vichar liye ved ka gyan nahi mil sakta tu quran chod .ved ka eshwar tabhi samaj me aata hai, jab man sahit sari indriya samapt hoti hai.sirf shudh aatma hi ved ke eshwar ko dekh sakti hai. “‘yato vache nirvtrantre mansa sah aanandam brameti vidvan na bhibheti kadachan”‘ tu ye dushit man se ved ke eshwar ko nahi jaan sakta.allah khud dushit raha hoga isliye to us ne gande man ko saaf karne ki baat hi nahi ki??ha.ha.ha….sirf sharir dhone se koi shudh hota to sabun bananewale sabse bade kahlate???ha.ha.ha….

    • @pagal-shankar, tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de hi nahi sakta.

      is ka answer dene mein dar gayakiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha

      //vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??

      kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?

      yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
      tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?//

      “hi” aur “bhi” ka faisla ho gaya kiya?

      //tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de nahi sakta//

      waise tujhe maine yeh to samjha diya ki capital nahi likhna chahiyye.

      eik vedanti jo na ved parh sakta hai aur na uske satya hone par hi vishwas karta hai, agar karta to use phailata uski shiksha batata?? negative vedanti.

  11. @rsdfgg,paglonke seertaj allah ne duniya banayi ye uske smruti se ki bina smruti se??? kyo ki bina memory ke aadmi kuch samaj nahi pata,bina memory ke aadmi kuch bhi bana nahi sakta ye siddha hota hai to allah ki smrti kya hai??? Allah to akela hai phir use smriti bhi hai agar manana hai to phir kaan,naak,haat,pair bhi mano???ha.ha.ha…bina smruti ke allah ne duniya kaise banai??? pahale ki duniya se to phir wo kaha hai???kya us me bhi muhammad hai?? Kya bhagwan bhi hai??hindu bhi hai???ha.ha.ha…allah ne duniya banai to ek hi baar kyo nahi banai,6 din ka samay kyo lagaya ??? aadmi ko samne rakh kar duniya banai ki khud ko samne rakh kar duniya banai??? Agni,vayu,prithvi,jal,akash ye allah ke haath me hai to is se bana aadmi kyo nahi??? Jab ji chahe bacche janmata hai aur ji chahe marta hai to allah uncontrol kyo ho gaya?? ye allah simit hai ya asimit hai?? Simit hai to kitna aur asimit hai to kitna??ha.ha..ha..

  12. @pagal-shankar, tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de hi nahi sakta.

    is ka answer dene mein dar gayakiya? pol khulne ka darr hai kiya ki tu bhi bina dekhai cheezon ko manta hai??? teri asani k liye phir likh deta hun …hahahaha

    //vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??

    kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?

    yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
    tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?//

    “hi” aur “bhi” ka faisla ho gaya kiya?

    //tu isliye answer nahi de raha kiyunki tu de nahi sakta//

    waise tujhe maine yeh to samjha diya ki capital nahi likhna chahiyye.

    eik vedanti jo na ved parh sakta hai aur na uske satya hone par hi vishwas karta hai, agar karta to use phailata uski shiksha batata?? negative vedanti.. kamse kam yeh hi bata deta ki “ved kitne hain” ???? 4????

  13. I piss on the Kaaba. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss on the Quran. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss on the prophet Muhammad (may shit be upon his head). I don’t worship him. I
    WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. I piss towards Mecca. I don’t worship it. I WORSHIP ALLAH ALONE. Turn away from shirk before its too late. SMASH your idols to remove idolatry. Come back
    to worshiping ALLAH ALONE. Only then the Islamic renaissance will be unleashed. Allah
    will again bless the Islamic world for worshiping ALLAH ALONE. Some Mohammedan idolaters and Quran idolaters say ‘if you worship Allah you will
    RESPECT HIS message book and HIS messenger’. That is exactly what a Hindu will say ‘if
    you worship god you will RESPECT HIS creations, HIS creatures, HIS idols’. Respect is just a
    cover for idolatry. Only disrespect can remove idolatry. Allah knows whats in your heart
    you Mohammedan idolaters. I once asked in a forum, “Is Allah all powerful? CAN he send
    more prophets?” Note: I asked ‘CAN he’ not ‘WILL he’ but the vote was 9 to 0 against Allah. No Mohammedan idolater believes in Allah’s power to send more prophets. Allah is
    just a straw god in whose name Mohammad is worshiped. Mohamed is dead, Allah isn’t
    dead is he?

    • @pagal-shankar,
      edon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??

      kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?

      yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
      tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?

      kiya tune 4 risiyon ko dekha hai? kiya har cheez dekh kar manta hai? hum to sachche logon par bharosa kartein hain. jab eik table khud nahi ban sakti to kiya yeh duniya ban jayegi?

      jis ne yeh sara sansar banaya aur iska nizam chala raha hai wohi Allah hai aur woh AHAD hai yeh humein Allah k rasoolon ne bataya hai aur Allah k rasool sachche hotein hain to un par bharosa kiya jata hai.

      aqal bhi yehi kehti hai ki do Allah nahi ho sakte… to phir kiyun na mane?

      maire sawal ko kiyun nazarandaz kar rahe ho 4 rishiyon wale? aur raj.hyd aur tum dcide karlo ki aryasamajiyon ka kiya concept hai ishwar k bareinmein????

      “hi” ya “bhi” hahahha

  14. ISLAM KI SACHHAI 4- ISLAM ME YE BAATE NAHI HAI1) chitt ya mind aur uske nirodh, thahrna,shant hona is koi gyan islam me nahi hai 2) atmagyan hona aapne andar ke aatma ka sakshat karna 3) sab ki jad man hai ,ye man hi dukh ka karan hai aur man hi avidhya hai.aisa koi bhi gyan is me nahi hai 4) man se mukt kaise ho iska koi gyan is me nahi hai.5) man ki jagrut,swapna,shshupti aur 4th turiya is awasta ke baare me koi jankari nahi hai. 6) panchikaran arthat das indriya aur gyarvaha man,buddhi,antakaran,aahankar in saboka milke jo ye sharir bana is ka pruthakaran karke, akhir me aahankar ko bhi koi jananewala hai aisa vichar karke jo jo jananane me aata hai us se aapne ko alag karte karte phir karan deh,mahakaran deh,sadharan akash ,mahakash,chidakash is ke bhi paar aapne swarup ko janana ye panchikaran me aata hai islam me aisa panchikaran ka gyan nahi hai


    • @pagal-shankar, ajeeb aadmi hai? itni si baat nahi samjh sakta? jis doctor ne tera operation kara hoga wohi to janega ki tere paas dimagh hai ya nahi??

      maine thore hi kiya tera operation?/hahaha
      kiya hum us doctor par vishwas kar lein ? yeh to andhvishwas hua na aur tere kehne k hisab se kisi bhi andheki cheez ko nahi manna chahiyee? to vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya? agar nahi dekha aur manta hai to phir tu bhi to andvishwasi hua na??

      kiya tune 4 rishiyon ko dekha hai jinko ved diye gaye the? agar nahi aur tu manta hai to tu andhvishwasi hua na?

      waise yeh saare arguments tere se upar ki cheez hain nahi samajh payega.

      main tere dimagh ki baat kar raha hun ki hum kaise maan lein bina tere dimagh ka operation kare ki tere paas hai bhi ya upar ka mal khali hai? kiya yeh andhvishwas na hoga?

      yeh shankar kon hai jiski tu jaijaikar kar raha hai? kiya tune dhekha hai shankar ko? agar han to kahan dekha hai? moorti mein?
      tu samajh bhi pa raha hai ki mein kiya pooch raha hun?

      • @rsdfgg
        _______ajeeb aadmi hai? itni si baat nahi samjh sakta? jis doctor ne tera operation kara hoga wohi to janega ki tere paas dimagh hai ya nahi??___
        Jab shakar pagal hai to Allah ne isse banaya qyo. Allah ne isse Mohammed jaisa dimag qyo nahi diya. Sara dosh Allah ka hai.
        ________vedon k ishwar ko tune dekha hai kiya________
        Vedo ka Ishwar pagal Allah ki tarah nahi jo logo se kahata hi agar mujhe nahi poojoge to mai tumhe narak me jla-jla kar marunga. Allah ko bas apni pooja chahiye. Uski pooja hogi to think varna wo logo se badla lega.



  18. 🙂 ok say he copied that things but he is very brilliant one in making use & preaching what he copied & secondly he is very active in answering different kind of questions on the issue. So no matters where he get it from as long as he is trying his best to teach people what he knows, can u do it u z one who posted this thing, can u not u or z ur generation that comes after u do it coz it’s a miracle ( grace ) his speech his everything he can convince 1 million like u sorry but this is z truth.



  21. @truth seekar, ek doha jo bahut kuch kahta hai, “BUND” SAMANA SAMUND ME,HERAT HERAT HE SAKHI RAHYA KABIR HERAI. Ye sadharan chit ki awastha hai, par jaise Vishwas mukta hota hai chit to ye hota hai,”SAMUND” SAMANA BUND ME,HERAT HERAT HE SAKHI RAHYA KABIR HERAI. Pahle to main aapko ek baat batata hu VISHWAS YA BELIEF YE SABSE BADE JAHAR HAI.main eshwar ko manta nahi JANTA HU. Aur tum jaise samjte ho ki eshwar ke bare me vaise eshwar ko maine kabhi bhi dekha nahi hai,kisi ko bhi wo aajtak mila nahi NA HI MILEGA YE MERA VACHAN HAI.Ha devtapurush huye hai jinko hi galti se bhagwan,eshwar man liya gaya hai.Yatra kaise hoti hai,Pahle purush ,bad me devtapurush aur akhir me bhagwan. Yahi itihas hai tum dyan ki aankh se apne bhitar dekho to tumko sab par avishwas bana hi rahta hai ki samne bhagwan khada hai ye sach hai ya mere man ka khel? Ex.deta hu Ramkrushna ko kali mata ke darshan hote the,saint namdev krishna se bolte the,par vaise hi inko ye sab man ka hi khel lagta tha.inka bhram tab tuta jab inone aapne aap ko dekha jo ki ek matra satya hai.Tum bhagwan par bhi shaq kar sakte ho par tum khud par shaq nahi kar sakte ki tum nahi ho.TUM NAHI HO IS KO BHI JANANE KE LIYE TUMRA HONA JARURI HAI.KYA TUM APNE NA HONE KO JANTE KO,BHAWAN YA ESHWAR YE MULLYAWAN HAI PAR JO INKO DEKH RAHA HAI WO UNSE BHI ADHIK MULLYA KA HAI.JANANEWALA AUR JANA JANEWALA EK JAB HOTE HAI TAB SAMUND HI BUND ME GIRTA HAI.PAR JAB TAK YE ALAG RAHTE HAI TAB TAK BUND HI SUMAND ME GIRTI HAI.JANNEWALA AUR JANA JANEWALA DO DIKHAI DENA HI AGYAN HAI.ISLIYE MAIN ESHWAR KO MANTA NAHI JITA HU.ESHWAR EK PARAM ANUBHAV KI BAAT HAI.SHABD SE,TARK SE DEVTAPURUSH KO SIDHA KAR SAKTE HO ANUBHAV KO NAHI.DR.JAKIR NAIK KO MAIN AKELE HI 10000 KE BARABAR HU AAB YE UNKI DURSTI KA DOSH HAI KI MERE SAAT TO JO LOG ,FARISTE,ANGILS,DEVTA UNKI JO FOUJ HAI WO ITNI JYDA HAI MAIN GINTI BHI NAHI KAR SAKTA MAIN JINDA LOG RAKHTA HU APNE SATH AMRUT PIYE HUYE LOG MERE PAAS HAI AUR DR. Zakir ke paas jo aadmi ka jakhira hai wo sab murda log hai,unka khud ka koi bhi vajud nahi hai, lakir ke fakir ,kolu ke bail hai. Jis ke piche logo ki bhid hoti hai wo bhed hai aadmi ka.SIHA AKELA HOTA HAI.BAS EK BAAR DAHADTA HAI TO SARA JANGAL KANPTA HAI.DR.ZAKIR NAIK DARA HUA HAI WO APNA DAR LOGO SE NAHI KAHTA WO WOHI BAAT KAREGA JO QURAN ME HAI,HADIS ME HAI ,AUR ALLAH SE MEL KHATI HAI.JAISE USE KOI BATA DETA HAI KI QURAN ,HADIS,ALLAH KE KHILAF KOI BAAT JA RAHI HAI TO PAHLE DARTA HAI.AUR USI KARAN WO ISLAM KA BADA SPEEKAR BAN GAYA HAI (ARTHAT AISA TUM SAMJTE HO) DAR KAHI ISLAM GALAT NA HO JAYE IS KARAN HI WO BRILIIYANT BHI BANA HUA HAI COMPUTER KE JAISA DIMAG SMRUTI KA KACHRA INKA SATYA SE KOI LENA DENA NAHI HAI YE WO JANTA NAHI.ANUBHAV CHAHIYE ANUBHAV HAI SAHAS KE HA MAIN JANTA HU ALLAH KO AISA KAH DE.NAHI MANANE KO BOLO SIRF KAMJOR DIMAGWALE KA HI YE KAM HOSAKTA HAI.TUM KO THODA KAHA HAI SAMAJ HAI TO JYADA SAMJOGE……..ATTA DIPA BHAV KHUD KE DIYE KHUD BANO……..

  22. dr.zakir naik sach me agar vad-vivad karna chahta hai to use main hara sakta hu..dekho agar praman ki baat aayegi to pratyaksha,aanuman,aagam ye 3praman mukhya hote hai. Ab dekho islam ke paas pratyakshya praman allah ka nahi hai.allah ko kisi ne pratykshy nahi dekha khud muhammad ne bhi nahi dekha.is karan allah ek soch rah jata hai .ek sapna rah jata hai,quran ka aur hadis satya hai is ka bhi praman kahi bhi nahi milta.ab sirf aanuman praman ki jaha dhua hai waha agni hai vaise ye praman bhi allah par thik nahi beithta,kyoki allah ka anuman ki wo kaisa hai to dayalu,krupalu,shaktiman,sab jannewala.pal bhar me kuch bhi karnewala is se allah ka anuman nahi lagta kyoki koi bhi sadharan aadmi me ye gun paye jate hai to wo kya allah ho sakega? Bilkul nahi.Phir aata hai aagam arthat shastra praman to allah ka varnan na to bible me hai,na toraht,engil me hai,na kisi anya dharma ke shastra me allah ka naam hai .to ye siddha hua ki allah ek man ka vichar hai, jo muhammad ke tatkalin nirantar soch ka parinam tha.siway muhammad ke allah ka koi bhi praman nahi milta is liye islam ko sarvamanya ya jagatmanya dharma nahi kaha jayega.dr,zakir naik ki halat vaisi hai jaise koi chor khud ko chor na kahe.ye sabit nahi karta ki chor chor nahi hai,praman do dr.zakir naik kuch to praman do.khud muhammad bhi praman dene se chuke tum kya khak praman doge?

    • @jaishankir, kiya tum bata sakte ho ki tum kis Ishwar mein vishwas rakhte ho aur rakhte bhi ho ya nahi?

      kiya shiv,vishnu aur brahma ki trinity/trishool mein wishvas rakhte ho?

      agar tum koi baat manoge hi nahi to kisi ko bhi hara doge tum to kehdoge mere paas koi praman nahi hai Ishwar isliye aap mujh se nahi pooch sakte.

      chutku bhai aapko maloom hona chahiyye ki zakir naik kehte hain ki jo admi kam se kam 10000 log ikatha kar sakta sirf apne naam se us se debate ya dialogue karoonga to pehle tum apni pramanikta sabit karo ki 10,000 log kisi programme mein ikathe karo apne naam se tab Allah ki pramanikta mangna. ok jao jab tak munh dhoke soaye raho..

      han agar mere se dialogue karna chahte ho bata dena.

      eik baat bata deta hun ki jab tum apne samne ka computer dekhte ho to kiya sochte ho ki khud bana ya kisi ne banaya? lekin agar kisi ne banaya to bhi usne duniya mein paayi chezein hi use karein bhale hi develop karin to woh creator to nahi hua par keyboard/table kisi to banai hain….ab yeh batao ki jab yeh sara brahmand dekhte ho yeh zameen dekhte ho to kiys sochte ho ki itna systematic system khud ban gay ya koi creator hai? jab eik chappal bhi khud nahi ban sakta to duniya kaise ban sakti hai? buss yeh suniya aur sare sansaron ka creator hi Allah/GOD hai.

      mujhe ummed ab apko koi argument nahi chahiyye hoga

  23. you muslim say the only religion is Islam and you all are true but every other religion is false and every pope,pundit,rishi,jew priest who are at their divine post are kufr…what the ___!! you think of yourself…Your quran is nothing but the words of Muhammad that he used to get the advantages of illiterate,ignorant,poor,backward villagers who now they called them muslims.Your muhammad was also an illiterate person so how come and illiterate person gets divine words from God but not to the one meditating years for divinity.You perverts.

  24. yes we know zakir naik is a liar but he keeps saying na tasya partima asti but i cant find this anywhere even when i use unauthentic grifths vedas translation

  25. @Agniveer

    whatever question u ask about islam or hindu or christian he will give the [email protected]
    whatever statement he mention 4m ur holy book with refference ur chpter n0. Verse n0. Sloka n0 with meanings.. . If u find anything wrong zakir saying ,Then why dont u take ur holy books n ask Zakir naik to show u 4m ur holy book. . If he cant then take action. .. Even i will like that. . Bcoz i hate liers n frouds… Ok do dat challenge… .

  26. @Agniveer

    >>Is Dr. zakir naik forcing u to convert u to muslim or to practice islam religion???surely not.
    Forcing non-muslim person to convert to islam is haraam written on holy quran. so u better stop criticizing zakir naik n try to read n analyze ur holy books …
    >>.is there written to worship only one god
    >>no images or statue of god
    >>alcohol is haraam
    if u find anything wrong after reading ur holybook regarding these statements ..then why dnt ugo to zakir naik’s program n open challenge him> if he can not answer n show u these things in ur holybook,plz u record that video n upload in this site u will be much more benefitted rather u wasting time only by criticizing him n writting paragraph>> go n challenge zakir naik..i want to see debate clip

    • haan wo dusaro ko convert hone ke liye force karte hai jab wo dusare ke dharm ke bare me fake bate batata hai..
      zakir ek suar hai..

      pisslamis shit religion.

    • zakir nalayak ko bahot loog challenge kar chuke hai lekin wo debate ke liye nahi aay aur nahi kisis sawal ka jawab deta hai.. jake pucho kyu nahi aata.

    • 1 god ka meaning yeh nahi hua ki Islaam he uss god ke kareeb hai……….. Muslims kyoon Makka Madina ka pic apne ghar aur dukaan main lagaate hain……………… more than 80% muslims bhi Alcohol consume karte hain…………… Zakir naik ko chaiye ki woh sirf Islaam ki khoobiyon ko highlight kare naa ki other dharms ki buraiyaan kare………….. yaha naik bilkul galat hai kyoon ki kissi bade ya sache dharam ko promotion ki koi jarurat nahi hai………… naik ko itni bhi samajh nahi hai………… meine kai program dekhe hain jisme woh other dharams ko galat kahta hai………….. koi dharam kissi dharam se bada ya chota nahi hota………… agar 1 ko jhota kahoge to sabhi jhote hain

  27. I think Agniveer is anti of muslim and again and again negative finding in the person of Dr. Zakir Naik…. i suggest to you Team Agniveer pls do you work for our Culture.. dont see outside.. we have lots of problem… why you posting about muslim muslim why? tell me rest of everytime attacking negative thoughts about this person… i think you have to find positive think then you will known about tha actual scene of any person….

    • behenchod aapna muh badn rakh samjhe..yahi baat us kutte zakir nayak ko samjha samjhi..
      aur yaha ladakiyo ki salah to chahiye hi nahi bcz tum ladakiya murkh hoti ho.

      aur agniveer to sirf zakir nayak kajhuth samne la rahi hai to kyu nayak hamesha jhuth bolta rehta hai..

  28. Satya ek mukta aakash ke jaisa hai,jaha koi asahajata nahi,dharma vahi hai jo tumhe mukta karta hai sabhi se aur chode deta hai aghyat main… Taki tum vahi jano jo hain tumame aur sarva main…noor to hai bas aankh ki taraf eshara jo dikha de ….dharm keval eshare hai satya ki taraf jane ke,isiliye to dharm aanek hai aur satya ek….


    • manniy shri amerapne yah to batlaya nahi ki isme jhuth kya hai bas vyarth me isko band karo ki “narebaji”jarur karne lage! agar koi bat jhuthi usko sabke samne to laiye ?

    • abe teri ma ka bhosada tu kown hota hai website band karne keliyekehne wala.. sale behenchod yahakoi jhuth bool raha hai to sirf zakir nalayak islam muhammad aur islami mulle.

      • Please shut your mouth… Say Sorry to Every One… Which type of you word are using… So Shame… Naam Kharab Kar dia Humsab ka… Say Sorry.

      • bakwas band karo aapni samjhe. kis baat ka sorry jake aapne yaar zakir nalayak ko bool hinduo se sorry bole. aur un chutiye musalmano se sorry bole jo unhe chutiya banata rehta hai..

        aurmuh tu aapna dafa ho yaha se .. ye sari bateki agniveer anti muslim etc hai ye zakir suar kepafe ya sitepe jake likh samjhe.
        fake id.

  30. Dear sir ,In terms of Islamic belief ,that if one can prove himself from a religious cult by his gesture/appearance shall be treated as the member of same cult in spite of his belief in Islam ,accordingly Dr. Naik shall be treated as christian due to his gesture i.e. wearing of a tie publicly which is execution sign (highly religious)(Webster Dictionary ).Another false hood and his cruelty against Islam is that he recommends/begs Zakat tax to sponsoring TV program,This sin shall not ever be forgiven by the Lord due to distortion of an obligatory 5th pillar of Islamic belief by Naik .The Zakat can be used by very poor orphans,or widow etc those have no means of subsistence .Naik has accumulated millions of dollars through Zaqat soon he will be punished by the Lord he may be the first person who will meet fire of hell in which decade he expires.He is distorter of Islamic faith and a wealth accumulator materialistic person .He has none religious over all.

    • @faruq, why are you posting with a fake name to show yourself as muslim, any muslim can easily understand that you are not muslim you know y because you yourself dont know that in which way or cause we can give zakat? can u explain from quran where poor orphan and WIDOW is mention? hahaha…. poor faruq please go and study about zakat then enlighten us about ur esteemed study.

  31. Dear All,
    Its good to see all of the comments mention above most of them fighting to each other who is right & who is wrong. But the point is since not about who whom you following. No idea what motto of Dr. Naik & Mr. Aginesh.
    What important for me what i am, what i m exactly doing for the society & for the family. If i m wrong in obeying the almighty i myself responsible for it. I feel we should fight each difference. If Hindus feels the way they worship is right as per their teaching. All are have equal rights to follow & same as for muslim’s. All of us knows only after death come to know which religion or good deeds stand out. So both Mr. Dr. Zakir naik & Mr. Agineesh ji.. better not spread hatred among our self.
    Sorry in advance if i said wrong.

  32. So whats wrong.. He also copied most Quotes from Quran and Sahih Hadith.. Which is in fact better for a authentic source..
    Truth will not change even if it is copied.. DR Zakir Naik always said..he is student of compariative religion.. And he is picking facts and highlighting them for our own better understanding.. If there is any wise man out there just get the truth , DR Zakir naik not doing this otherwise to be famous

  33. Salam Aleykoum dear brother.
    I read most of the article, but couldn’t find why you were so upset about Dr Zakir Naik, if he plagiarised (which need conformation) does it take anything out of the person?
    Do he plagiarise when he appear on tv, debates, expose lies etc?
    Please answer my question dear brother for I still don’t know what is your motive in stirring people mind like that.
    Peace be upon you all dear brothers/sisters

  34. Dear Hassan:

    Welcome to Agniveer.

    we Muslims people don’t says about your relegion
    Really? Does not the Quran mention people of other religions – Jews, Christians, Pagans, Polytheists, etc. and what is in store for them in the afterlife?

  35. dear muslim brothers
    Aslamoalikum warahmatullahi wabrakatu ho.
    Brothers dont fight with poeple if you dont have information and konwlede about Quran and Haith’s completley and if you poeple dont know transalion of Quran .
    so please dont fight with them coz in this compatation The poeple home against Islam they are making more propoganda

  36. dear friends

    why you poeple are fighting with each other
    to hindu brothers that if u poeple not intrested in Islam so please dont talk against you are not like so leave it.
    and another thing that dont talk against my prophet Muhmmad first see in your selves that how you are?
    what you are?
    how much Education you have in your own hindu books?

    • Dear Hassan

      Perhaps you forgot to read the article you just commented on. It is Zakir Naik himself who claimed a demon called Mahamada of Bhavishya Puran to be Muhammad of Quran. It is he who stole from Qadiyani books and presented it as his own research. It is he who claimed that Vedas have errors. It is he who started mocking Hindu beliefs. It is he who demands for death penalty for apostasy. So better you go to his page and ask him to stop talking non sense about Muhammad and Hinduism.

    • manniy sri riyaz ji , apke navi kaise bade hai? jara yah bhi to batlaiye ?vah to ummi [anpadh] the, ek anpadh ko mahan rup me kyo pesh karna chahate hai ?

      • Dear Sir,
        Vo eik mahan aur behtar saks hai aur uske liye mujeh certificate nahi lena, Par aap ke refrance ke liye vo ambiyo ke Imaam, Vo khatman umbiya, vo rehmatul alameen, aap par deen finshed hua jo aadam se lekar chal raha tha. aur hun anpadh aur parda hua ki jarurat nokri ke liye hoti naki islam mai aap parde ho ya unpard islam mai isse koi fark nahi parta yahan ilm ka hona jaruri hai naki certificate ka.

        Dear mera sawal hai kisi ilm wale se ki kya quran aur sahi hadeesh ki najar se mai unko ambiyo mai sabse bada aur behtar keh sakta hun.

      • param adarniy shri riyaz ji ishvar ka jo siddhant hota hai vah kabhi samapt nahi hota ? jaise ishvar samapt nahi hota hai ! isliye agar nabuvat chal rahai hai,to samapt bi kabhi nahi ho sakti ! keval kahane se kuch nahi hota muhamamd ji agar anpadh the to ap sabhi muslim unke raste par chalte huye kyo nhi anpadh rahate hai ? muhammad ji ne to apni mata saman ek vidhva se apna pahala nikah kiya tha kitne muslim unke raste par chalte huye kisi mata saman vidhva se apna pahala nikah karte hai ? muahamamd ji ne darjan bhar nikah karke bhi 50 sal ki umr me poti saman 6-7 sal ki aysha ji se nikah kiya tha ? muslim kyo nahi isi tarah ka nikah karte hai ! muhamamd ji ne apni god liye huye zaid ki patni se bhi sex ka rishta joda tha , kitne muslim aisa acharan karte hai? muhammad ji ne is ke bad anek bandiyon [laundiyo] se bhi sex kiya v usse bachha bhi paida kiya kitne muslim bhi aisa karte hai? kya karan tha muhammd ji apne jite ji koi santan nahi bacxha sake ek fatima ji ke siva ? lekinvah bhi “bhari javani” me muhammd ji ke marne ke kuch mah bad khuda ji ko pyari ho gayi ? batlaye muhammd ji ko kaun se karmo ki saja allah ne di ? batlaye kitne muslim apni ankho ke samne apni santanio ko martebhuye dekhnna chahte hai ? kya apko yah sab pasand ayega ? fir muhammad ji to allah ke rasul hone ka bhi dava karte the fir aisa julm allah ne unke sath kyo kiya aur bahut se muslimo ko ke parivar me aisa nahi kiya ? yani unke shagirdo ko choda aur unke guru ke sath julm kita kya yah allah ki” andhergardi ” nahi hai ? isliye kuran v islm ki sbhi bate jhuth par adharit hai ! btlaye kuran ki ayte farishto ke madhyam se bhejne me allah majbur kyo kyo nahi usne “dairect” sandesh de diya farishte ki sahayta kyo li ? kya allah kamjor tha kya hamare apke v sabhi ke dimag me dayrect koi “aidiya” nahi aya karta ?

  37. Actually when i started to read your article, i thought, despite of all ma doubts, that you wil present an arguement that is based on some wisdom and well planned lies, but towards the end i was just wondering wether this page as where i can realy place ma comments to realy enlight you if your embecileness and shallow mindedness!!
    please note these first:
    1. Muslims are not followers of Dr. zakir Naik, rather is, just like anyother islamic scholar, a knowledgeable man who is trying to pass the massage to lost ones like you!
    2. The word “SHIRK” means asscaiting other beings with Allah, in His power and kingdom! So note that you realy missused that word making your arguement realy baseless!
    3. in studies and researches, it is leggle to seek knowledge even from ur direct enemy!
    4. The Quran doesnt realy need any elllaboration, discovery or reform within it, and Zakir has never claimed to have discovered anything but rather just took his time to explain many people of today, who blindly wouldnt want to see like you, the science in the Quran. When you say Zakir claims to have “discovered” what Allah n Mohammad and the rightly guided khalifs couldnt, then i pet u reconcider you opinion! Allah knows every thing, and the Quran being his words, you dont even need to think someone would ever claim more knowledge on your word (unless you r too foolish too keep track of your words, of which you r now), what do you think of Gd?
    5. Lastly, even by law, some is innocent unless proofen guilty, and by that it means the judge shoud have direct contact with the defendent and allow him prresent his side oof the story! Your telling us counts of cases which you said, the Sheikh realy commited, did you sit with him and questioned him? did you realy make him feel guilty of those commitions and ommitions??
    CORRECTION TO REPLY U GAVE TO A CERTAIN COMMENT: about saying: Sallalahu aleihi wassalam, to after the prophet Mohammad’s (PBBUH). Arabic is a broad language with suffecience and eloquence! Dont misguide people with your…

    • @Mohamoud

      Brother, we have nothing against you peaceful Qadiyanis. But you should understand that Wahabi preacher Naik has stolen your scholar’s literature and presented it as his own research. Many of your Ahmadi scholars have also raised questions against Naik. So it is better to expose such frauds that have cheated you as well as other Muslims.

  38. Mr Satyagni if you are true and you are allegations are founded with reliable base then why cant you attempting the Public Debate with Dr. Zakir Naik to prove that he is defrauder. I think you people are with fanaticism with your baseless religion and fearing of losing luxury life which you got by in the name of religion. and hiding the truth to the people, and misguiding the from the factual one, if you are not, you must support your allegations by attempting a public debate with Dr. Zakir Naik

  39. पाकिस्तान में बंटे पोस्टर, कहा अहमदिया मुस्लिमों की हत्या करो
    | Last Updated 16:14(09/06/11)

    इस्लामाबाद. पाकिस्तान के पंजाब प्रांत में बड़ी संख्या में पंपलेट बांटे जा रहे हैं, जिसमें मुस्लिम धर्म के ही एक संप्रदाय अहमदिया मुस्लिमों की हत्या करने को कहा गया है। अहमदिया संप्रदाय के लोगों की हत्या को पोस्टरों में जेहाद बताया गया है और कहा गया है कि यह सवाब का काम है। इससे इलाके में तनाव व्याप्त है। पोस्टरों में कहा गया है कि अहमदिया संप्रदाय के लोग वाजिब-उल-कत्ल, याने हत्या करने के योग्य हैं। पोस्टरों में अहमदिया संप्रदाय के लोगों के नाम और पते ठिकाने भी दिए गए हैं।
    पाकिस्तान में हिंदू, ईसाई और सिख अल्पसंख्यकों के तो अधिकारों का हनन तो आम है, लेकिन वहां मुस्लिम भी सुरक्षित नहीं हैं। फैसलाबाद में बांटे गए पोस्टरों में अहमदिया संप्रदाय के प्रतिष्ठित उद्योगपतियों, डॉक्टरों और दूसरे प्रतिष्ठित लोगों का विवरण दिया गया है। इनमें सबसे उपर क्लाथ हाउस का नाम है, जहां रहने वाले तीन लोगों को पिछले साल मौत के घाट उतार दिया गया था।

    ये पंपलेट ऑल इंडिया स्टूडेंट्स खत्म-ए-नुबुवात फेडरेशन बांट रहा है। इन्हें पूरे शहर में चिपका दिया गया है।


  40. @ Abdullah : Sir, Dr. Zakeer Nayak has been exposed many a times. All his theories have been proved many a times. Still you are saying he is a great scholar. It shows you are blind.

    When you read bad comments regarding Islam you got very angry and justified Jihad. Then know the other truth, muslims killed crores of HIndus, they destroyed world’s 1st International University, they raped many Hindu women, then Jihad is also justified against muslims.

    If in your eyes bad comment is worse than killing, then you are sure mad.

    My dear, Islam is not a religion, its a cult. Read Koran and Hadith in an unbiased way, and put question after each verse, “If the same will be done by a non-muslim with the muslims, will it be justified ?”. You will get the answer. Even after that, if you don’t find any blunder in Koran, then you are simply blind of ego.

  41. AOA






  43. “when a person dies his soul remains in state as of ‘coma’ for 13 days and then acc. to the deeds he had done whole his life he gets a new life in some new species. this is popularly known as rebirth theory which is accepted by most all religions.”
    Here I have a problem as you said acc. to the deeds he had done whole his life he gets a new life in some new species, you mean to say it is not necessary that his rebirth will be in the form of mankind. If anybody’s rebirth took place in the form of cockroch, how its rebirth return in the form of mankind and what will the fact that will help him in this reformation.
    plz don’t feel that I am hurting you, I only want to clear these types of misconceptions..

    • @a muslim
      Hindus believe soul i.e the consciousness inside the body takes birth after death of the body previously held. The process of death and birth keeps repeating untill one gets moksha. liberty from the circle of life and death is synonym for moksha.

    • yeah, when a person dies his soul remains in state as of ‘coma’ for 13 days and then acc. to the deeds he had done whole his life he gets a new life in some new species. this is popularly known as rebirth theory which is accepted by most all religions.
      then again it dies and again takes birth. when one’s good deeds and intellect increases a lot and his knowledge of god continues increasing then after reaching a certain level he attains moksha and never takes birth again for a long long long time.

      • “when a person dies his soul remains in state as of ‘coma’ for 13 days and then acc. to the deeds he had done whole his life he gets a new life in some new species. this is popularly known as rebirth theory which is accepted by most all religions.”

        Here I have a problem as you said acc. to dead’s deed that had done whole his life he gets a new life in some new species, in new life it not clear he will be mankind or other animal. If his new life is in the form of a cockroch how it can repent aka rebirth in the form of mankind.
        plz dont feel that I am hurting you, I only want to clear these types of misconceptions.

      • a muslim:
        There is no point discussing theories of after life as we do not know it in detail. The 13 days period is not acceptable as there is no evidence.
        But evidence for rebirth exits, though not many people can remember their previous life.

        >> his new life is in the form of a cockroch how it can repent aka rebirth in the form of mankind.

        How do you know that cockroach does not think and does not have feelings? But why is repenting required at all? Has not prophet talked to ants? What will ants speak if they dont have feelings?

    • @ashammanath:

      The first few words of the article is: When Farukh Qureshi (name changed)

      It is completely expected that one (if he was an ex-Muslim) has to change his name so as to be quoted in a news article on apostasy from Islam. That is the vice like grip this 7th century ideology has on its adherents.

      I hope our Marxist liberal elites in JNU, NDTV, TimesOfIndia, Vir Sanghvi etc. can take note and condemn Islam. I mean, dont they also have a stake in keeping India safe and secure? Didnt their avatar of God, Marx say that religion is the opiate of the masses? Or is their hatred of Hinduism so great that they are striking a tactical alliance with the Mozlies?

      It amazes me that it is only upto us Hindu “revivalists” to protect Hinduism and India from Christian and Muslim fundamentalism. Where are the Barkha Dutts, Arundathi Roys and Mahesh Bhatts? Dont they care about India at all? 🙁

  44. @Muslim:

    It seems that you are a shia or Qadiyani so you are so confused that you don’t ever know the purpose of your life. From which book you qouted the wrong story of Adam and eve?

    Lol 🙂

    What part do you disagree with? The purpose of life is to convert everyone to Sunni Islam. The Kufr Shia and Ahmadi are the worst form of Kufrs. If you dont believe me, see this.

    Also, we need to kill every Momin who believes in Darwinism which goes against our great faith in Adam (PBUH) and Havva (PBUHer). Those Momins are a Zionist plot to weaken the faith. If you dont believe me read this to clear your confusion.

    • You have asked me that which part of that I disagree, now I am asking DO YOU AGREE WITH ALL THAT YOU HAD QOUTED? Do you believe ,you should cut down the heads of shias,qadyanis,hindus or the followers of darwinism. If not why did you said that?

      • @Muslim:

        Dear Momin. Please dont answer a question with a question. I gave you examples where upholders of the Islamic faith talked about killing the Ahmadi and Darwinists. Either you agree with them, in which case my original post stands vindicated.

        You could disagree with them. Then my request to you would be to wage a jihad against these people (like the Indonesian preacher and those who issued death threats against Darwinists) first. Before that an apology may be in order by you and other so-called “moderate” Muslims (correct me if I am wrong and you are not a “moderate” Muslim) to all non-Muslims world over for having allowed your beautiful faith to be hijacked by the “extremists”. Apologize for your complete impotence in dealing with bad apples in your lot. Work towards improving on these deficiencies.

      • I had asked all of you only purpose of our lives. Now you are saying sunni tells that,sunnis did that, what is this. If there is no answer in your vedic, shiaism, qadyanism, darwinism and kafirs viewpoints. All of you have no any purpose of life. What do you say to atheists.

      • Namaste a muslim

        Will you leave Islam if we help you understand purpose of life better than Quran and Hadith? Or you are here just to spread the message of *peace* and give Hidayah to Jaahil Kafirs?

        Can you tell us for what sin, Allah THREW OUT your ancestors Adam and Eve from those heavens which are supposed to be PERMANENT ( 🙂 ) dwelling for the Momins? If Islamic heaven is not permanent even for Adam and Eve, how can it be everlasting for you later day Momins?

      • Hey all of you I am still awaiting for the answer of my question. Hav’nt you, clear this that your vedic terminology has no answer for this.

      • purpose of life is to attain ‘moksha’ — liberty from the circle of life and death.

        this is clearly and throughly explained in vedic scriptures…. you can ask details if needed!!

      • @ a muslim – Plz stop your stupid and idiotic comments. We want to know why are yoy asking this question ? why dont you talk to Zakir Naik ? why dont you refer to Quran ? Seems either there is no answer or you have never refered to it. What did Zakir Naik say in this regrad ?
        Vedas are very clear on this but people like you are not interested in learning from Vedas. People like you just want to waste their as well as others’ time and energy.
        Please stop such stupid and idiotic antics.

      • Namaste a muslim

        This is the third time I have replied you because you did not take notice of my previous comments.

        Will you leave Islam if we help you understand purpose of life better than Quran and Hadith? Or you are here just to spread the message of *peace* and give Hidayah to Jaahil Kafirs?

        Can you tell us for what sin, Allah THREW OUT your ancestors Adam and Eve from those heavens which are supposed to be PERMANENT ( 🙂 ) dwelling for the Momins? If Islamic heaven is not permanent even for Adam and Eve, how can it be everlasting for you later day Momins?

  45. Namaste.

    I apologise for the offtopic comment, but I have a request for Agniveer.

    As you may know, many Tamils to this day believe in the dravidian lie. This is one of the main reasons why extremely corrupt and incompetent anti-Arya, anti-Sanatana Dharma and anti-Bharat parties like the dmk have been coming to power numerous times in Tamil Nadu.

    The dravidian lie also acts as a major barrier between Tamils and other ethnic groups in Bharat being united.

    This is also a major issue when it comes to Sanatana Dharma as some of the Tamils who believe in the dravidian lie also believe in the lie that Aryas are foreign invaders and therefore consider Sanatana Dharma to be ‘foreign’ and reject it just for that reason alone.

    So can Agniveer please make an article debunking the dravidian lie? This is one of the biggest problems faced by the Tamil community today. Tamils need to learn the truth.

    I’m half Tamil by the way and I reject the dravidian lie.

    Please think about my request.

    Thanks in advance. 🙂 Keep up the wonderful work!

      • Can any body answer me that what is the purpose and reality of life. What is the purpose of our existense on the earth? Where is our origin and where we have to go?

      • It is surprising that a disciple cum follower of Dr. Zakir Naik is asking this question !
        But then Dr. Zakir Naik seems to know everything. Perhaps he does not want to enlighten you with this information.
        Please ask Dr. Zakir Naik, he will satsify your query.

      • @Muslim:

        I think I can help. How does trying to convert the entire world to Sunni Islam and if that fails kill everyone else who doesnt (Shia/Ahmadi/Sufi/Hindus/Jews/Biologists who study evolution/Physicists who study the big bang)? Thats the purpose of life my dear.

        We all came about from Adam and Eve. Adam ate the apple and his organ grew in size. Eve was afraid, tried to resist but was helpless as she was weaker than Adam. After all she was made from just one single rib of Adam. The rest, as they say, is history.

        We are all going to encounter Judgement day when Sun will rise from the West instead of the East. At that time all those who shouted Allahu Akbar/La Ilaha Il Allah Mohammed Rasool Allah will enjoy 72 you know whats. The rest will encounter boiling oil at 200 degree celcius 🙁

        Good luck!

      • It seems that you are a shia or Qadiyani so you are so confused that you don’t ever know the purpose of your life. From which book you qouted the wrong story of Adam and eve?

      • You mean to say Shia and Qadiyani are not Muslims? Only Sunnis are Muslims? You fool wahabis. Why you want everyone else except you to be called Kafirs? Agniveer is pro-Shia that is why you call him anti-Islam.

      • Namaste a muslim

        Will you leave Islam if we help you understand purpose of life better than Quran and Hadith? Or you are here just to spread the message of *peace* and give Hidayah to Jaahil Kafirs?

        Can you tell us for what sin, Allah THREW OUT your ancestors Adam and Eve from those heavens which are supposed to be PERMANENT ( 🙂 ) dwelling for the Momins? If Islamic heaven is not permanent even for Adam and Eve, how can it be everlasting for you later day Momins?

      • Its surprising that a follower cum disciple of Dr. Zakir Naik is asking these questions !
        Have you asked Dr.Zakir Naik ? Did he refused to reply in this regards ?
        Please request Dr. Zakir Naik to enlighten you , its my advice.

      • Thanks brother. Hope we get to see an excellent article (as always) on the subject soon. 🙂

        By the way, I’ve got another suggestion. Why not make a quotes section in the site where quotes from Vedas are available? It will really help more people become aware of not only Agniveer, but Sanatana Dharma too, as these quotes tend to spread, through Facebook for example (people make these quotes their status’, etc). To be honest, I myself would love to have some quotes which I can use as my status.

        Another suggestion I have is to get the Agniveer site on the first page for Google’s results for ‘Vedas’, ‘Sanatana Dharma’ and ‘Hinduism’. It would really help more people learn the true Hinduism.

        Hope you guys at Agniveer find these suggestions helpful. 🙂

  46. Rigveda

    A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:

    The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

    “Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:

    The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.

    Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.

    The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet. Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28.

    “We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.” [Al-Qur’an 34:28]

  47. My first question to the atheist will be: “What is the definition of God?” For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities – therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

    If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

    Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.

    • @ahad=peace:

      If you want to be your own sock puppet it is up to you. But atleast use a different email id because that way the pictures/images next to your username will be different. That way you can carry out your Al Taqqiya or whatever in a more covert fashion.

      • Brother KalBhairav

        Jihadis know nothing more than Al Taqiyya and circular logic. Now he/she will say Allah is above all and He performed miracle which was a SIGN and not SCIENCE. And then interestingly he/she will provide us with few links confirming SCIENTIFIC proofs of UNSCIENTIFIC moon splitting 🙂

      • @Vajra:

        Allah is God coz it says in Quran and Quran is divine because Allah made it…repeat 300 times. 🙂


        Guys, I am hoping there are some intelligent ones amongst your lot who visit this website but dont choose to comment. Seriously, are folks like Ahad the best that you guys can muster? Can there be any good defense of Islam you guys can come forward with? Each of your comments here gets trashed and the logic inherent (lack of it) exposed threadbare. How can you go on with your day when the religion that you so hold dear to your heart is unable to withstand some basic scrutiny? I will grant that many religions have made up stuff that may not be able to withstand scrutiny. But you guys are the worst offenders because (a)you guys get to carve out geography for yourselves in places around the world (Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc.) and (b)you guys impose Shariah where non-Muslims are treated beneath dirt. All because of the fallacious circular logic that you employ that cannot withstand some simple scrutiny.

        Keep your stupid religion to your own home and convert all Islamic republics in the world to secular ones.

      • Mr
        we Muslims people don’t says about your relegion so who give u rights that you open your mouth and says about Islam every thing that come to your mind
        are you a human that you are saying a words which you don’t know that what i am telling so first learn formality

  48. Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

    But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.

    • @peace:

      (With a username like that what are you doing trying to defend Islam? Islam and peace are mutually incompatible. Are you completely oblivious to history of the world since 700 AD? This is what your religion is really about!)

      Here you go.

      • @ahad:

        Wrong. Islam means submission. Salaam (Peace) and Islam (Submission) originated from the same root but they diverged after 700 AD. Read this.

      • @ Vajra:
        hahahahahahaha.. Gabbar Singh!!! :D…. you are unbelievable!!!
        & dats true as well… allah miyaan wants us to believe in his non sense Quran even before reading it!!!

      • Kitne allah the?
        allah ek? Aur tum teen? fir bhi laut aaye? Khaali haath?

        Bahut na insafi hai yeh.

        ek allah se nibatne ke liye mai akela gabbar singh kaafi hoon. ;))

    • @ Umar: Yes, submit the will to be free, the will to think independently and the will to think rationally & indulge in the iconoclast of Muhammad and his alter ego called Allah, right?

    • @Umar
      I REFUSE to submit to false god allah, kya ukhad lega?

    • @ Umar
      See here itself you prove that your god doesn’t provide you your own will to do anything ,even if you do good and bad its all ALLAH ‘s will , So Stupidity
      How can a god take all rights and will of a man , today most of Muslims are terror for this whole world this because they have submitted their will to Allah .. I can’t submit my will to ALLAH , he will make me a terrorist very soon..



    • @GMX
      Oh you, think all that zakir nalayak is truth and you dont need we stone and animal worshipper to tell you what zakir nai is?

      Well, get ready for a holocaust, because that is what zakir nalayak is doing to us hindus ok? He is spreading hatred against hinduism , and in turn making us hate islam, know where this will lead to?
      Apni kabar khod ke rakhna.

  50. Ha Ha Ha. What should I say when there are so many pandits here. My dear all…please read ur own script first then analyze urself about what u r doing.
    Every religions has black sheep. Dont ignore Allah by following those black sheep. Analyze Quaran and Hadith to know Islam better rather than observing so called muslims.
    If anyone has problem with Islam then I like to say him/her to follow his/her own religion strictly. But know ur religion first. If u know yourself better, you can guide others better. Again I wanna say if u know Islam better try to analyze only Quaran and Hadith not its followers.
    One question to all… Why western world accepting Islam after 9/11? Are they fool? Why Bible has so many errors (mathematical and scientific)? Why Hindus accepting images as gods when there are clearly mention that God has no images. Why?
    I dont want any answar…I just want you to know the answar. I belief Gods word must not have any error. I dont belief Dr. Zakir Naik as well as Sri Rabi Krishna..I only belief religious scripture. Youtube, and bla bla bla..have various videos regarding Islam and various religion but I dont belief those. I only belief written documents such as Quaran, Hadith, Vedus. Analyze those anf find out the truth.

    • Namaste Monwar

      In KalBhairav’s terminology, you seem to be a hit and run Jihadi who never shows up again to read the response 🙂

      Let us know if you are not the one I am predicting! I will reply as soon as my assessment regarding you is proven wrong!

    • You are right brother. We should follow only the scriptures of Quran and Hadiths and nothing else. Look, the scriptures said that, even Zakir Naik admits, that Prophet Jesus Christ will come back again to redeem the world. He shall not come with a new message but propagate the original message. Agniveer is Prophet Jesus Christ. He does not claim to preach anything new. He is Jesus Christ. But Quran says that Allah has put seals on hearts of those who do not believe. Even when Muhammad claimed Prophecy, Mecca people kicked him out.Only few people believed in Him. Today when Prophet Agniveer aka Jesus has come, again all these fake Muslims do not believe in Him. Only a few believe and they shall go to Heaven.

      Don’t be a fool and do what Mecca people did to the great Muhammad. Surrender to Prophet Agniveer who brings the original message of Allah.

      Remember, Allah is very benevolent, but he never forgives the non-believers.

      May peace be upon you.

    • @ Monwar Brother can you tell me whoz the first muslim coz ALLAH is very confused while deciding whoz the first muslim … check this proof OUT AND THEN RLY >>>>>>>>>
      Who Was the First Muslim?

      According to several passages in the Quran, Muhammad was the first Muslim:

      Say: Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender [aslama] (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters. S. 6:14 Pickthall

      Say, verily my Lord hath directed me into a right way, a true religion, the sect of Abraham the orthodox; and he was no idolater. Say, verily my prayers, and my worship, and my life, and my death are dedicated unto God, the Lord of all creatures: He hath no companion. This have I been commanded: I am the first Moslem (Wa ‘Ana ‘Awwalu Al-Muslimin). S. 6:161-163 Sale

      He hath no associate. This am I commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims. S. 6:163 Rodwell

      Say (O Muhammad): Lo! I am commanded to worship Allah, making religion pure for Him (only). And I am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him). S. 39:11-12 Pickthall

      This is contradicted by both the Quran and various Islamic traditions which refer to the presence of true believers both before and during Muhammad’s alleged “call” to prophethood. The Quran mentions that Adam, Noah, the Patriarchs, the twelve tribes of Israel, Moses, Jesus etc., were all believers and many of them even messengers who lived a long time before Muhammad:

      Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: “I will create a vicegerent on earth.” They said: “Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?” He said: “I know what ye know not.”… And behold, We said to the angels: “Bow down to Adam” and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. We said: “O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression.”… When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. S. 2:30, 34-35, 37

      We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. S. 4:163

      We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good: S. 6:84

      And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House: Our Lord! accept from us; surely Thou art the Hearing, the Knowing: Our Lord! and make us both submissive (muslimayni) to Thee and (raise) from our offspring a nation submitting (ommatan muslimatan) to Thee, and show us our ways of devotion and turn to us (mercifully), surely Thou art the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful. Our Lord! and raise up in them an Apostle from among them who shall recite to them Thy communications and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them; surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise. And who forsakes the religion of Ibrahim but he who makes himself a fool, and most certainly We chose him in this world, and in the hereafter he is most surely among the righteous. When his Lord said to him, Be a Muslim (aslim), he said: I submit myself (aslamtu) to the Lord of the worlds. And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub. O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore die not unless you are Muslims (illa waantum muslimoona). Nay! were you witnesses when death visited Yaqoub, when he said to his sons: What will you serve after me? They said: We will serve your God and the God of your fathers, Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq, one God only, and to Him do we submit (wanahnu lahu muslimoona). S. 2:127-133 Shakir

      When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: “Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the disciples: “We are Allah’s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. S. 3:52

      Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim (musliman), and he was not one of the polytheists. S. 3:67 Shakir

      They are not all alike; of the followers of the Book there is an upright party; they recite Allah’s communications in the nighttime and they adore (Him). They believe in Allah and the last day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and they strive with one another in hastening to good deeds, and those are among the good. And whatever good they do, they shall not be denied it, and Allah knows those who guard (against evil). S. 3:113-115 Shakir

      Then will Allah say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’ And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger: they said, ‘We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims.’” S. 5:110-111

      Lo! it is from Solomon, and lo! it is: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful; Exalt not yourselves against me, but come unto me as those who surrender (muslimeena). … So, when she came, it was said (unto her): Is thy throne like this? She said: (It is) as though it were the very one. And (Solomon said): We were given the knowledge before her and we had surrendered (wakunna muslimeena) (to Allah). … It was said unto her: Enter the hall. And when she saw it she deemed it a pool and bared her legs. (Solomon) said: Lo! it is a hall, made smooth, of glass. She said: My Lord! Lo! I have wronged myself, and I surrender (aslamtu) with Solomon unto Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. S. 27:30-31, 42, 44 Pickthall

      Please answer me as soon possible ………..

  51. What I think of Dr Zakir Naik and why I am against him?
    Dr Zakir Naik MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery) is a preacher and speaker from the Islamic community talking on various different topics relating widely on religions, religious scriptures, political issues and many other topic. One of unique things about Dr Zakir Naik is that he suggests that he knows everything about different religions, Islamic, Christianity, Jewish, Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism and Jainism. Moreover he is also aware of what is said in every scripture’s and knows the chapters, verses and quotes of by heart. He has been all over different places countries and spreading those lectures in relation to these areas specifically. In every session taken place on different topics, the whole building has been full up with public for his lecture. A lot of people ask questions in relation to those topics and they answered very smartly by him, whether the person asking is Muslim or not Muslim.
    What I personally believe about Dr Zakir Naik?
    With Dr Zakir Naik talking about all these different topics and spreading his opinion is not right and I believe that it is totally wrong. This is because; he always thinks logically his way and assumes that must be the right way. As a result, most of the people see what he believes and happens to change their decision in that case. Should that be allowed publicly?
    Why I believe this about Dr Zakir Naik?
    For Dr Zakir Naik having this type of discussion influences people and believed that it is only him that is aware of what is right and wrong. The people drown into what he believes. As a result, this gives him to opportunity to divert their brain however he wants them. This then would stop them from thinking and they believe that Dr Zakir Naik is the god.
    Comparing two different religious scriptures:
    It is a fact that all different religions have their own scriptures. More common is that even the scripture say the same thing; they are going to have different meaning and different belief because; they introduce different religions. The way Dr Zakir Naik approaches them is by comparing two different scriptures from different religion. The most common way is to by looking at the similarities and mentioning those points in an Islamic way. Also, in various scripture, he says that he knows Chapter, verses and quotes of by heart, which is not the case all the time. Also misinterprets the meaning, but makes it some obvious to public and they believe them. This turns down other scriptures and make them less informative to people that belong or do not belong that community. The main effort by him is having good argument and logic involved on those topics. But to my point of view, it is totally baseless if they are not to have the real meaning. The audience happen to believe them as they are influenced by them very strongly. But it gets a lot worse when people from those community loss faith. I believe that is very bad and unacceptable way to lecture over different religion. It is not only me, but various other people that are Muslim and non Muslim thinks the same.
    Comparing two different religions:
    When the discussions are done on religion, Dr Zakir Naik has the common approach carried out by comparing two different religions. The religion introduced all the time is Islamic and in comparison introduced other religions that are Christianity and Hinduism most of the time. By introducing Christianity, he implies how their values and Islamic values are similar. It is the same approach with the Hinduism and what values come under that religion. The comparison introduced in this what Hindus and Islamic believe in common. I really am not satisfied when such comparisons are made that do not have any similarities at all. This is because; in comparison, he makes judgement of what Hinduisms have in common. Comments are made by him regarding Hindus believing in Idols as god and holy offering that are given in temple to the worshipers and in counter responses brings in what the scriptures say by misinterpreting it. Can this not have negative impact on what people should believe in Hinduism? I see that it has nothing go to do with Dr Zakir Naik and he does not the real fact on what Hinduism believes. The most approaches carried out are by connecting things that have different meaning but want to introduce that their in no dedication like this. With Hinduism being vegetarian, he also counter argue and introduce false believe is carried out. In many discussions, he has been discussing about existence of the Hindu gods and introduces what the Hindu scriptures say by totally misinterpreting what it means. As a result, this misguides many people and they happen to go against the belief. This creates a lot of problem because other religions would have bad opinion about Hinduism and can brainwash people from Hinduism and other people from different community. Is Dr Zakir not racist? Also, in discussion suggests some things that Hinduism needs to follow by saying that they do not. Is this not going to demoralise the Hindus community? Will it not make the Hindu community look bad in comparison to other communities?
    Discussing about political issues (Islamic Terrorism):
    Apart from religion Dr Zakir Naik also has discussion on political issues that very closely relate to Islamic community. One of the main topics introduced by him is on terrorism and in what ways political reasons have defamed the Islamic community in the society. To make the people think in a different way, Dr Zakir Naik shows how other religions and community are part of terrorist organisation. In the discussion, Dr Zakir Naik had involved how Great Britain had been affected by terrorism. It was obvious that Great Britain was affected by terrorism on the 7 July 2005 and America on the 9/11 attack. In defence of Islamic community, Dr Zakir Naik introduces how Great Britain and America was affected by the IRA (Irish Republic Army). But the fact is that IRA (Irish Republic Army) terrorist organisation was finished a long time ago and recently, they have not done terrorist attack. Why would Dr Zakir Naik want to bring in something that is old? Apart from that, LTTE (Liberation of Tigers of Tamil Eelam) was brought in front. But LTTE (Liberation of Tigers of Tamil Eelam) only causes problems to Sri Lanka and they have finished. Also, they did not spread their ideology all through out the world. The Islamic terrorism had started a long time and ago and they are still on going and there is no end to it. I believe this is one of the ways to victimise other religious minorities and make them look like the culprit. On top of that, also make the British media responsible for all this. Despite the evidence are shown, still Dr Zakir Naik comes out with defence on them. But all the information is given by him is orally and no concrete evidence on that is introduced.
    Calling people from different religion’s to Public sessions:
    Dr Zakir Naik call people called from different religion for discussion. This makes it more obvious to the audience that anything. Also, they would not feel that he is biased and the person brought into the conversation and the public would take more interest. They all have discussion on the religious discussion on the topic raised in the session. Later, they argue on that issue of what is said in the scriptures and how the religious society and community is made. As a result, Dr Zakir Naik is able to win the arguments. The affect of the public is that they believe that he is very knowledgeable on the all the religions comparing to the other people. To my point of view, this is not right because just arguing any point logically and having evidence presented falsely would not mean that they are the winner. Are all the people right all the time of they win the arguments?
    When people talk about Dr Zakir Naik?
    People are going to be talking about Dr Zakir Naik in public and general conversation as they are influenced by them. As a result, they would make others interested in to what they believe and later they would also follow Dr Zakir Naik. This is just one of the ways people would not follow what they believe and go against their principle. This could against their religion and how they see things. This will only happen because in every session Dr Zakir Naik always goes on about how different topics and is very detailed. I believe this is wrong because other people that are also like Dr Zakir Naik would not be seen by the public and will be ignore. As a result, this is wrong make others turned down in that fashion. Is this going to be a bad influence on other people?
    Where does Dr Zakir Naik travel for his purpose?
    There are various nations that Dr Zakir Naik has travelled to experience how people in different countries are like. The main logic for Dr Zakir Naik is to have a public session and make people aware about him. As a result, he would involve them and make them as part of those lectures. In the lectures, he would want to discuss what facilities those are in their country and how they are bad influence they to them. Dr Zakir Naik would not even understand anything as in those countries as he himself would not know and just talk about it. Even if the information is not right, he would not bother as the public would follow and understand what his logic and understanding is. Also, those public would be coming often their and they would develop understanding of what he is trying to say. But Dr Zakir Naik does not just want to spread logic round the world but spread Islamic logic and make people think their way. Would it be right to use Islamic logic to have public sessions?
    Who comes to be part of Dr Zakir Naik Public sessions?
    This makes people from different religion and countries come and listen as all this may relate to them. This results Dr Zakir Naik to be a lot famous in front of the people that belong to different cultures and community. Does Zakir Naik have any rights to famous that way? In the nation wherever they live, they would not follow the rules and regulation as part of that religion and would look for changes in those nations. In certain nation, they have their own logic and ways to deal with thing. I totally do not see point that Zakir Naik should make any comments of everything. Also he would not have the full knowledge what happens in different countries. As a result, their conflicts and be a problem to those areas. This is just a way that Dr Zakir Niak is going to cause a dispute and problem overall by spreading irrelevant logical reasons.
    How do people react after listening to Dr Zakir Naik?
    People are brainwashed of what he says in the public sessions. As a result, in future only his logic would be used by people. This would people see ways differently and not understand their own belief, cultures and background, which they come from. Those people become so dedicated and all follow his logic. Does anyone even bother to look at why Dr Zakir Naik thinks of anything that way? The problem occurs when others get affected by these types of thought and later produces disturbance all through out.
    People in the public end up converting their religions:
    Dr Zakir Naik in all of the conversation has mentioned about the Islamic community and what benefits they have. Also to produce more depth in the information discusses about how the Islamic community function with the community, society and community. In contrast says a lot opposite about other religion and community. In the audience, this would influence many people against other religion and also go against their religion. This would result to extent that they would convert their religion to Islamic community. This has taken place in the public session that he has and ask them of they have not being forced. But the fact is that they have been forced and they are not going to admit that in public as they know the result later on for them could be bad. Also, they are brainwashed about Islamic community and they happen to follow Islam. Many British, Americans, Australian and many different citizens have converted to Islam and they are successful Islamic scholar and have discussion on what Islam is all about afterwards. Also in Hinduism, many cases people have been forced to convert to Islam and they are not originally from the Islamic community. Previously, many Hindus have been forced to convert to Islam. In Dr Zakir Naik public session, this has been the same result and many of them have taken the similar step. I would like to ask that how many people belonging to Islamic community have converted to other religion. This is because; if atheist can convert to Islam that apply many restriction to them, then why cannot people from Islamic community converted to atheist? As a result, they would have much more freedom and also would keep balance on what Islamic community take, they can also give. If not atheist, then other different religion, they can covert to. There are various Muslims in the world that are not strict Muslims and do not going the Quran like other Muslim. But is says in the holy Quran that if any Muslim converts to another religion, they are going to be given a death sentence. Is this not just going to develop Islamic community and turn down other religions?
    Negative impact of Dr Zakir Naik on different people and professions:
    On all discussion, Dr Zakir Naik introduces negative information on politician, religions, Media and so on that all happens to be wrong. To my point of view, it is just going to be defaming people and their profession. The information presented is always one sided by him and introduce nothing positive about the same topics. This would influence the public to think only one side and not allow them to use their own initiative. If any dispute between communities or religious minorities happen, Dr Zakir Naik would blame others and defame them. This would make it obvious in terms that he would always have logic used all the way through. In contrast to all this, it is only Dr Zakir Naik that is gaining honour and getting away. As a result, he is quite successful in terms how the audience is responding to him. This also allows him to continue on what he believe is right to do all the time. Is this right way to use the knowledge? Dr Zakir Naik also came on NDTV 24X7 in the “Walk the Talk” show. Later he denied what he had said in the news and said that the whole of show was cut and pasted. Can anybody believe Dr Zakir Naik? In this issue it is possible that the media for the audience attraction, they may lie. But in many cases Dr Zakir Naik have done the same and ruined people and professions. As a result, I cannot believe that Dr Zakir Naik is right as on many occasions he has made up opinions. There are people that have bad opinion on him, would believe that anything mentioned negative about him in the media would have to right. It is obvious that Dr Zakir Naik would not agree with that and would counter argue to self defend himself.
    May result religious dispute between two different communities for example Genocide?
    This can cause a religious dispute between two different cultures because on many occasions he has only talked positive about Islam and negative about other religions. The effect of this on the community has been negative at some point. If is gets a lot worse, he can create genocide between two communities and have people killing each other in the name of religion. Dr Zakir Naik wants communities to be closer and live happily in the society. But certain actions have caused damages to many people are not happy about it because only he himself and Islamic community have earned the benefit. Are the people from other communities not going to feel abused? As a result, two different communities are going to have dispute and later spread disturbance all round. Even if the situation gets worse for the two different communities, it will be again that Dr Zakir Naik would come and have public session and blamed other and get away for that causes. But the real culprit would be he himself. In future, different communities would not appreciate help and mixture of others, which would result worse atmosphere. In response to all this, I would see he is one of Blasphemers that people in the community, Muslims and Non-Muslims have as risk.
    Dr Zakir Naik using different ways to attract the audience:
    When I had gone on Your Tube, I had seen many different videos on Dr Zakir Naik’s public discussion on the religious topics. This implies that there are many different ways he is trying to pass his message to the audience. To my point of view, I believe this is one of ways; he is trying to catch people and brainwash. In the commenting section, many different people have given positive comment on his logic. But in contrast, I have seen many people giving negative comments on his video. This illustrates that many people do not like the way as he is using his knowledge and they want all this to stop. Moreover the people that do not like him, they have also made video of him to introduce his way of logic is not right. In that case, I believe those type of videos produced against him, should be understood why they are made. This would enlighten people not to fall in his trick and believe what he says. Also, I would recommend the owner of the Your Tube to eliminated his video for as they are relating to Blasphemy.
    Dr Zakir Naik doing Fraud:
    On having so many public sessions, Dr Zakir Naik has earned a lot of respect on what he believes people in the community think of him. Later, the news had come out that he had been charged with fraud. The fraud involved using the quotes for the Quran and copying and pasting and giving his own point of view. This implies that he has plagiarised someone work and effort, and tried to earn his name. To my point of view, wherever anybody does as part of their work, they need to have their own knowledge and understand. Using other people’s knowledge for your purpose is known as stealing and anybody who lives in respective community and society would not appreciate that. It also makes me believe that all the public sessions that he has are nothing and have no value because; he had been carrying this type of approach all the way through or exaggerating information. Dr Zakir Naik was going to come to Britain to have a public session. But he was not refused to come and was not able to make it. The reason why he was banned because of the way he was spread his Islamic logic all the way and on the public this was a band influence. I believe that this was the right approach to make the people think how his attitude can cause a problem. There were few people that were not happy but mainly, they were people that belong to the same community has him. It makes it much worse if the religious community that he belongs to in questioned because; they would feel pinpointed. To my point of view, I believe that these types of people should be thrown out the community and society.
    Public have different point of view of Dr Zakir Naik now:
    After seen different point of views, many people also have negative opinion on Dr Zakir Naik and believe that in many ways he is wrong. This has created his negative images in front of the people that are dedicated to him and believe that he just wanted to be their god in front of them and use them. In response, not just Non-Muslims but, many Muslims disagree with him and the way his attitude towards the society and community is. This may imply people that his approach has not been right been right. The public at some point believe that he has been a cheater to them and believe that he was just wanted to get noticed by the public. He was a doctor and studied MBBS (Bachelor in Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery). So did he not continue with practicing his medicine degree? This can just mean that he was not happy with his profession or found it hard to cope with it. As a result, he decided to become a preacher in that case and later take that as a different approach. Dr Zakir Naik could have been someone in the society and community that would have treated normally. But this type of response has given him a bad impression overall at some point.
    How people in the world are and what Dr Zakir Naik talk about them in public sessions?
    There are people that have their own way to deal with things and are able to keep themselves safe from all the problems. As a result, he had made a lot of personal comments on how people live the community and society. It is important to make sure that you stay safe and respect people in the community and society. Also cultures and religion for the people plays a major role in terms of their dedication and I believe many people do show respect. But personally, I think people have their own lives and they have full rights to live how they like to on their agreement of the community and society. If in the middle of the road, somebody has a problem, are they not going to ask for help without looking at what they are and who they are? This demonstrates people understand that if somebody live life different, does not mean that they do not have humanity. On this issue, I am able to come across Dr Zakir Naik is so interested in discussing on how people to people can be a threat and introducing a lot of superstition. As a result, I think that Dr Zakir Naik has no rights to talk about people.
    Political power that Dr Zakir Naik may have:
    If Dr Zakir Naik gets away after all this, it will be politics in terms of what type of support he has. Also many people support him and if anything happens to him, the public that are very dedicated to him, will protest for him. Also with him, there are other systems that would be in his contact and can do something to support him. In political purpose even if people are wrong they will get away easily or if they are caught, they would be have other higher people that could have put their effort behind them, which would save them. As a result, these people would have no end till the others are caught as well. I would suggest the community and the people in the society to stay away form this type of people are concentrate in how to follow you culture, religion and faith. There is no need to compare religions
    Conclusion on what I think should happen to Dr Zakir Naik?
    As conclusion, I believe that however Dr Zakir Naik has behaved in the public sessions as a blasphemer should be penalised from doing that and stopped appearing in front of public for public sessions. Moreover, a police complaint and the case should be filed on his name and press serious chargers. On the basis of that, he should be given a serious punishment for his deeds. It is not only Dr Zakir Naik that has been part of this but, may other Islamic Scholar have been involved in this and they should be given the same punishment. This would imply to anybody not to become a blasphemer like him and treat people from different community and religion with respect. The community that have been following him, does not realise that he has been creating problems for others. Most of the problems have come when he had talked about religious comparison, religious scriptures and political issues. In the entire topics he had always used Islamic logic and diverted the public’s attention on them. In contrast, made others turned down. If in future they should only have religious scholar discussing about their own religion, religious scriptures, society, community, belief and so on. This will keep peace and harmony in the community and make others feel a lot satisfied that way.

  52. Respect Dr. Zakir Naik. He is a GREAT human being and has true and immense knowledge of all the religions. We should all support him as he is spreading PEACE. Islam means PEACE. And that is what Dr. Zakir Naik is spreading.

    • @Ashfaq:

      Respect is EARNED. And no, trying to spread the war ideology of 7th century Arabia in the 21st century deserves condemnation, not respect. And no, Islam means SUBMISSION – not peace.

    • @Ashfaq

      Sorry brother, we will not respect Zakir Bhai MBBS, if zakir says that I will burn in hell just because I do not blindly follow Quran to be the divine book. Today you see us disrespecting Naik, tomarrow you will see yourself disrespecting him as well. I just pity people like you whom hes using as a scapegoat or should I say HALAL SCAPEGOAT, to spread his stupidity without knowing that he is cracking jokes in the name of your prophet and islam.

      • All of you those claiming that they have understood quran very well yet spreadinding his own agenda in the name of quran beware you will fall into hellfire that burn your brain not a time but repeatedly.

      • @a muslim

        that is only if HELL FIRE exists>>>>>>>>>>>>only then I will burn.

        we do not have place for bedtime stories of hell heaven, so try some kids site, you would make money and fame.

      • Are you thinking that I had said this for money? Again I am saying don’t claim that you understood quran very well, yet you didn’t understood..

    • Why don’t you accompany Dr. Zakir Naik to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, and other such countries to propagate ISLAM an PEACE ?
      Why don’t you teach the PEACE facets of ISLAM to Talibanis, Somalian groups, Pakistan and others ? Dr. Zakir Naik should accomapny you in this mission.
      Had you taken this initiate previously holocausts such as 9/11, 26/11, Mumbai bomb blasts 1993, Mumbai Train blasts 2006, etc,etc. would have been avoided and thousands of people would have been saved.
      I would also like to know what Dr. Zakir Naik and the likes of him as well as his followers like you do in comforting, helping and soothing victims in such holocasts ?

  53. brothers salam …………
    we all know that if a person is calling on a right path there are several misguided person who did’t wants them then they started to search a point against him………Dr zakir naik is also a person he s not a prophet so it may some mistake commit by him so let us not searching about the sin of brother zakir …….. he is a better person than us if any one wants to prove him wrong he must have to came foreword take a debate and answer some question then prove him wrong but putting wrong allegation on zakir naik or islam is not good………………………………………….because duniya usi ped par patthar marti hai jis par phal lagte hain
    may allah give right way and thinking to all…………….

  54. also this

    “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, great (above you all). (The Noble Quran, 4:34)”

    For those who say men can beat woman.

    • @Fernando : it would be a great help, if you point out the words(arabic) in brackets specifically first,next and lightly in the actual verse… from the quran, so that there is no doubt left in the mind of the reader coz allah would not want his message to be misinterpreted.

  55. i have read a little bit of the stuff above

    Some hindu wanted an answer for whether or not islam allowed rape on slaves or something along those lines. Well we must remember that Hadith is only for reference. So this is what the Quran says.

    Let us look at Noble Verse 24:33 “Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),” In this Noble Verse, we see that if a slave requests his freedom from his Muslim master, then his master not only must help him earn his freedom if there is good in the Slave, but also pay him money so the slave can have a good start in his free life

    You are not allowed to have sex with the prisoners of war without their consent so their is no argument anymore. I am going to be a muslim soon. What’s sad is the state of hadith on the internet. It is so badly translated. In one place it said in the hadith that the prophet had sex with Ayesha while her periods. Thats blasphemous. It is in the Quran you can’t. Another translation i found of that same hadith it said embrace and not sex. Why would the prophet do what hes apparently ‘making up’ not to in the holy Quran? It was just because people at that time found menstruating women dirty and wouldnt sleep on the same bed. It was to quash such attitude.

    What’s more is that there are so many anti islamic sites now. Remember whatever is popular has more opposition. So that is a testimony in itself.

    Hope all of you understand too.

    • @Fernando:

      What’s more is that there are so many anti islamic sites now. Remember whatever is popular has more opposition. So that is a testimony in itself.

      There are so many anti-Islamic sites now *not* because Islam is popular but it has very very rough edges and poses a threat to humankind. Intelligent folks have woken up to the Islamic threat. The problem with Islam is that it stipulates that the only litmus test for heaven is belief in “La Ilaha Il Allah Mohammed Rasool Allah”. Nobody would give a damn if Muslims just believed in this nonsense. But Muslims have historically *acted* on this belief by killing Kufr and bringing the Dar-al-Harb into Dar-al-Islam. Thats the problem.

    • @haroon shaikh

      Brother, Jakir Naik is Kufr becuase he bow head before stone building e.i. Kaba. The things which come in measurement called Idol. Allah had denied to bow before Kaba or Idol in Kuran but Jakir Naik deed against Kuran. Whatever excuse one may give on this but Kuran never sanctions excuses.what’s your stand on this?

    • @Human:

      Convince me that Quran is not a war manual invented to justify Arab conquests and their destruction of other indigenous cultures around the world.

      • The Holy Quran is not a war manual because it clearly says, forgive my translation:
        “The one who kills even a single huan has killed all of mankind and whsoever saves one human life has saved all of humanity”

        How many war manuals do you know that say this?

      • @Muhammed:

        Ah…Quran 5:32 in all its beauty, isnt it?

        Well, here’s some analysis of it IN CONTEXT like you Muslims always want it.

        You can jump up and down, run left and right, stand up side down, wear your clothes inside out, etc. etc. but the game is up buddy. The world has woken up to the sick ideology of Islam.

        Read this link to find out how your beautiful religion of peace deals with Muslim scientists who lend their support to Darwinism. Good luck.

      • @Muhammed:

        We are talking about Arab conquests…what Islam, conquests, subjugation, etc., etc. mean for non-Arabs. Would love your thoughts on this thread.

      • @muhammad
        brother QURAN is war based book and is proved several times by many scholars and it clearly says that all muslim who will have any relation with kafirs then almighty Allah will keep no relation with that muslim . if you ask i’ll provide you the reference too..

  56. namaste agniveer,
    can u edit what is written about vedas in wikipedia? during debates they bring wikipedia stuff, their reliability and authenticity, and i cannot just continue refuting them.

    • Anybody can manipulate wikipedia. Actually wikipedia policy says that it relies only on references in English language published by bigger groups. But for Vedas, all these references are useless. So when someone changes wikipedia to include the traditional views, they delete these.

      I suggest a group will have to keep working on wikipedia for permanent changes.

  57. Why not hindus open up some tv channels and redefines hinduism and the teachings of Vedas , because Naik is just taking the advantage of the ignorance of hindus. So we all need to take steps to defend this logically. Whatever Naik is mentioning against hiduism and its scripture are wrong and need to correct his views.

    • Dear Subhrata, Instead of claiming Zakir to be wrong , why dont you people prove the quotes given by him are wrong .. prove the quotes with the meaning wrong and you win the case .. Why u people are creating a websiter like this and inviting peopl for all kinds of stupid comments and unnecessary discusions.. bring the truth and comdemn him. Even we muslim will help you ..
      And if you people cant , then accept the Oneness of God Almighty and the concept of judgement instead of crores of gods and sansara ..
      And more logically the concepts advocated by Zakir are maent for instilling a God’s fear in a human being and ur view lets people enjoy the life and live at its own and creates the feeling of Enjoy.. and thats y u see an average hindu doesnt mind taking bribes, gables and drinks on festivals, women are dresed more exposedly and children foeicide are common in Rajasthan , haryana . and so on whereas a general muslim follows the moral rincipals advocated by Vedas …

      And to tarnish the image of us u guys get only one point terrorism .. wich is a false agenda created by anti God people who wnt the world believe in multi god ideology .. Had the muslim been terrorist , why re the still in the no of 18% in India and not in 100% after 1000 years of rule and why did they not killed all christians in spain after the rule of 800 years …They always won the country and lived there considering it there own and not for looting and going back to their own homeland as english .. and they never attacked any afghanistan or Iraq for oil, gas stating terrorism.. or they ne never backed a false propaganda of israel like country to dispel people of there own land .. Muslims have always been harmony filled race but it all started when RSS mentaity came in ur text books ..

      So its hightime .. read the scriptures and take either side .. and if u cant prove him wrong , then take the side of zakir naik or say Islam , as I must mention that in God’s view ,its a heineous crime to make him partner with 2 -3 0r crores of god its like considering your father more than one … I am sure if you spread the multi father theory of your own father he will definetly punish you like the God has dictated in all religeous books , be it veda , quran ..or bible//

      We r not converting u but v r spreading the message for ur benifit .. our god will noot send us to jannat if we convert one hindu .. he merely says just spread the messqage while following it , guiding an individual is in MY hands .. so our responsibility ends by stating that Allah is ONE and the Prophet MOHAMMAD (may peace be upon him)came here to set a standard way of life which we have o folow.. nothing more than nothing less than this ..

      Hope u will research in the wAY OF TRUTH ..aMEEN

      • @gulrez:

        Here is one reason why Islam is dangerous.

        You have 2 options here:

        (a)Come out against Shariah law which says punishment for apostasy is death. So, you would be disagreeing with the bearded Mullah in the video.
        (b)Support the death penalty for apostates.

        Let me know where you stand if you are interested in taking this conversation further. Dont beat about the bush.

        Ok, now that was a rhetorical question. I know you are going to choose option (b). I am going to watch with amusement the mental gymnastics you are going to perform now to justify your position. Why did the Most Merciful/Benevolent Allah give these apostates free will to become apostates? Your time starts ….. Now!

      • my friend , Islam is a very beautiful religion mashallah and it talks about the whole humanity as its benificiaries.. And thus it has revealed certain ways to be folowed to achieve the blessings and generocity of the Allah almighty such as prayer, fasting , abstaining away from the evil things of society and following a cordial relationship with the neighbours … And prophet mohammad Peace be upon him has guided us by following himself at first and during the process he never asked for material gains or fame..And that is what we muslim aspire to attain in our life so that we can cherish the beauty of paradise …. along with him.
        But there are some unfortunate muslims who couldnot understand the meaning of this self descipline and couldnot follow the simplicity way and turn their backs from the religions and want to be a part of the “” normal trends” or “fashion” so allah says in Quran in 16:106,

        “Any one who, after accepting faith in God, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith – but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from God, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. This because they love the life of this world better than the Hereafter: and God will not guide those who reject Faith. Those are they whose hearts, ears, and eyes God has sealed up, and they take no heed. Without doubt, in the Hereafter they will perish.”

        And my friend maternal gains are not the ultimate gain of human race .. this is what an animal looks for . eat sleep and enjoy .. what a man deserves a more moralistic wAY of life where he is worshipping Allah 24×7 , by practical worship , or by interracting with his family or by meting professionally with his colleagues and clients … Maintaining a highest standard of morals and ethics is the ultimate gain of a muslim and that is what is the order by allah .. and in return He provides an eternal peace of mind , respect among each other , affection in the relatoships, and material gains as per your requirement and necessatiy.. and moreover all this money that you will gain wil not be wasted in the form of stealing or loosing or spending in a wrong way.. it will keep giving you a proper support …

        So my friend , praying allah helps a human being in all walks of his life which is benificient to us only and has nothing to do with Allah. So when some muslim by name converts to some other ways of life he is moving out of the path of his own benificient future… So Allah conveys this verse to tell his punishment but nowhere it mentions the killing or any bad behaviour with anyone …in this world by any muslim .
        By not practicing islam he is just like any non muslim for us and Allah says if we kill any human aprt from batlefield , we kill the whole humanity .. so the punishment will be on us ….
        And he further says Quran .. your religion is yours and my religion is mine .. Everyone has the freedom to follow his reigion but its mandatory for a muslim to spread the message of islam , the message of oneness of allah , the benefits of islam , the everlasting punishment of not believing in one Allah … rest is in between Allah and that person … by the way of self following …and not by pressurising .

        And that whats I am doing friend .. read Quran and analyse what it says about the different subject that u have been told in the wring contexts … and analyse how beautifully Allah almighty invites the whole world for one ness of creator .

        I must mention here that There are some instances where people who have left islam have shown disrespectfulness and have mede very wrong comments and have degraded islam and thus allah says i quran that they must be punished in one of a few methods that can be debated in a court with witnesses and lawyers ..
        which any religion will never tolerate . If tomorrow I start abusing the gods of any religion and definetly the person will first hit me or might attack me further ..So its not at all wrong
        But I must say that there are some instances where people have beved with converts in a non islamic way while mentioning islam and quran as their support , it must be understood that Allah is very just and he gives the full due of each other in this world and the heareafter. No one can escape by being muslim alone .. The rules are for everyone .. So we must fear Him to the core …

        Hope it all sorted it out …
        You can always mail me at [email protected] for any other question like as
        1)Are only muslims havethe right to go to jannat as per Quran ?
        2)Should a muslim kill a kafir straightaway..?
        3)wil we get a 72 virgin jannat by killing a non muslim
        4)women are a tool of leisure in Quran ?
        etc .. etc .. i will inshallah try to portray islam in the best possible manner …

      • @gulrez:

        Sprinkling your posts with liberal doses of “my friend” is not going to work. You are NOT my friend when you believe I am going to hell for not believing in the same BS that you believe in. You are a religious supremacist and you ought to be condemned the same way racial supremacists are condemned.

        See, you are already doing gymnastics. You could so easily have said death sentence for apostasy is wrong. But instead you wrote a long piece of garbage to try and justify it. When will you people grow up and become a part of human civilization?

      • Namaste gulrez

        ———–my friend , Islam is a very beautiful religion mashallah and it talks about the whole humanity as its benificiaries———-

        1. What if I call- you are worst of creatures?
        2. What if I attack your home, kill you, take away your sisters, wife, daughters, mother as my sex slave, distribute them among my soldiers and then sell them to market/brothel?
        3. What if I marry your 6 year old daughter?
        4. What if I force you pay “Mlechchha Kar” for being Muslim and thus non hindu in India?

        ———-And my friend maternal gains are not the ultimate gain of human race .. this is what an animal looks for . eat sleep and enjoy .. what a man deserves a more moralistic wAY of life where he is worshipping Allah 24×7———-

        You correctly pointed out that material gains are not the ultimate gain of HUMAN race but they are ultimate for MUSLIMS. The sawaab of worshipping Allah 24X7, fasting, hajj is all the MATERIALISTIC jannat filled with houris with big bosoms, transparent cloths and bodies, free from the filth of menses, offering themselves to Momins to be enjoyed, rivers of wine and what not. So it is clear that MUSLIMS ARE NOT HUMANS. Right?

        —————I must mention here that There are some instances where people who have left islam have shown disrespectfulness and have mede very wrong comments and have degraded islam and thus allah says i quran that they must be punished in one of a few methods that can be debated in a court with witnesses and lawyers ..—————

        O stop Taqiyya master! Enough of you now. Islam orders to kill APOSTATE (the one who has left Islam). Nowhere it is mentioned that he should be killed only when he shows disrespect. In fact leaving islam is itself considered as disrespect, got it?

        And i give the answers to the questions righthere, no need to share your email

        1)Are only muslims havethe right to go to jannat as per Quran ?


        2)Should a muslim kill a kafir straightaway?

        Yes, a Muslim will not be punished for killing a kafir

        3)wil we get a 72 virgin jannat by killing a non muslim

        yes, the one is called ghazi who fights kafirs in the battle field, and ghazi is assured jannat of highest quality

        4)women are a tool of leisure in Quran ?

        Not only leisure, but many times a commodity which can be sold or purchased in the exchange of animals like horses and camels

        Put all the questions about islam in your mind here. You will be answered.

      • My dearest friends ,
        There is a one more video on you tube
        where a shankaracharya goes great length on describing how great religion is Islam.. So its all upto where u want to obtain the inspiration for islam . from not so known people who claim to speak on islam without mentioning the references .. or u wANT TO GO THROUGH THE QURAN AND HADEETH , ALL AVAILABLE ONLINE TO MAKE SURE WHAT IS RIGHT …its upto u ..
        By making claims u cant do anything against islam but u definetly avoid an opportunity to analyse what is truth or what is false .. currently the whole western world is after muslims and creating a euphorea ,, nad making them scapegoats , enjoYing THE OIL AND NATURAL GAS RESOURCES without the interferences of anyone and more cunningly they have placed bribed presidents and dictators in all muslim countries who pose n questions and threats ..so there is no answer to this attack except by the likes of zakir naik or the people like me who keep answering the qs which are the most hateful craps .. creation of people who have been brought up on rss text books and cnn news …

        well, its not making any harm to me or to my religion , I am following my religion and islam is also growing at its own greater speed .. despite having false claims of twin tower atacks
        and false attacks on iraq for the oil

        But my dear friend , my question remains after 4 days , do you people or the maulana in the video has any concrete quran reference to proove ur claim , if not hen go throught he book , available online and make even a single comment which goes against the humanity .. and if not then , please make sure .. what path you hindus are moving on ..

        U dont read vedas so obviously dont follow it as mentioned here in arya samaj

        And neither read quran to understand and start criticizing it on the unbaked news available from cnn or your preferred resources…

        So, you are hanging , moving nowhere.. It could be a laughing stoke ,for a immature person but its a point of a serious discussion and worriness.. A whole generation is being befooled by the pandits and pujaris and they dont want to go throught he books and are making comments basd on their reasoning and knowledged provided by everchanging resources and unproved facts ..

        choice is yours .. remain in darkness.. and keep criticising islam and muslims and keep feeling satisfied or read the books toknowwhat is the truth ….
        We muslims have been alloted a responsibility to spread the message which we are doing since ages and now also , wheather you change thepath , it altogehter depends upon ur conscience , which if , will be repentive , THe creater will guide u or if it will be boasting and egoistic , the god , Allah or ishwar will not let the light be with u and you will end up making some more abusive , abrasive comments aginst the religion and will move on .. but i will have sympathy for u all .. asthe path propagated by islam is very simple …
        Except that allah is one and not in no., and not in any shape,
        Live a righteous life with highest moral values,
        Have patience in all difficultiesand pray allah for any problem , and praise allah for any good thing
        And finally spread the message
        these four conditions are set aside by islam to enter jannat .. and not killing or raping women ,…And al those who dont follow this will enter hellfire , it could be a muslim by birth but not by virtue .. so practice of religion is a must ..
        hence you must undersand we muslim dont consider nonmuslims a worst creature but a person with less knowledge and try to spread the message …
        May the almighty Guide you to the path of light ..

      • Namaste Gulrez

        Just watch this video to know that Islam is the religion of BARKING DOGS 🙂


        And being a typical Dawah Mullah, you chose not to answer what I asked, which I ask here again

        1. What if I call- you are worst of creatures?
        2. What if I attack your home, kill you, take away your sisters, wife, daughters, mother as my sex slave, distribute them among my soldiers and then sell them to market/brothel?
        3. What if I marry your 6 year old daughter?
        4. What if I force you pay “Mlechchha Kar” for being Muslim and thus non hindu in India?

        You correctly pointed out that material gains are not the ultimate gain of HUMAN race but they are ultimate for MUSLIMS. The sawaab of worshipping Allah 24X7, fasting, hajj is all the MATERIALISTIC jannat filled with houris with big bosoms, transparent cloths and bodies, free from the filth of menses, offering themselves to Momins to be enjoyed, rivers of wine and what not. So it is clear that MUSLIMS ARE NOT HUMANS. Right?

        Islam orders to kill APOSTATE (the one who has left Islam). Nowhere it is mentioned that he should be killed only when he shows disrespect. In fact leaving islam is itself considered as disrespect, got it?

      • @Gulrez


        Interesting video about the Shankaracharya, but guess what, this stupid video is outdated. Can you please tell me who is this MUSLIM person dressed up as a shankaracharya and how much did you pay him? What about the Arya Samaji president, how much did you that person? Did you know your own mentor Naik has committed shirk and has slapped all the teachings of islam right on its face by bringing in your so called hindu leaders??

        Vedic Dharma is the only true monotheistic faith, but islam is polytheism because I have to believe in more than one entity. First one is of course Allah, which I have no problem believing with, but then I also have to believe in Mohammad, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Lot (who slept with his own daughters), and many more. So I am sorry my belief is only for God only, no one else.

        Answer a simple question of mine>

        Why is the Quran contradictory in the matter of tauheed?

      • my dear friends ,
        No matte what i convey to u , you are laced with the ill feelings for a religion which is spreading only the truth of almighty .. and Allah need not any support of testimony of gulrez zakir or shankaracharya .. he can do it with anyone … the first and foremost is Quran ..
        I have only one answer to all your queries //read quran and decide wheather ur teachers are right or not …
        the scientific discoveries made 1400 years ago in quran here are good enough to believe that the book was revealed by the creator who clearly mentions that the tauheed is the first thing he wants to listen from his creation and if not then non believers will face hellfire and will be mocked hereafter and will remain in hellfire …
        Allah says in chapter 41:53

        We shall now show them Our signs in all the directions and within their own selves until it becomes clear to them that it is certainly the truth; is not your Lord sufficient as a Witness over all things?


        Remember my friends, On the day of judgement .. Allah will ask you , were u not told about the oneness of allah and the lifestyle portayed by Prophets , like Jesus, moses , mohammad (peace be upon all them )and the you cant ignore , because this is what is the truth .. which u know now , and now if u without analysing , studying ignore it , mock it , insult it .. all is between you and allah .. Its his religion and he will make the importance of respecting the truth in his own manner .. I have fulfilled my respnsibility and I pray you come on the path of truth ..
        hence I finish and lets meet on the day of judgement ..inshallah ..
        And for my impatient friend, the qs u posted have one standard answer… no religion teaches hatred , and its people who behave fanaticm … which can be hindus (gujrat)christians (Afghanistan) or jews (Palestines ) or muslims (u know the reference better).. So dnt bame the source of light if some ill spirited person comes in its manner ..
        And jesus moses are the innocent humans who were chosen by Allah to spread the message .. they were guided through an angesGebrael Alaihisalaam .. and then further guided to their people .. but unfortunately their tribes considered them god as u considered rama krishna as god and started paying maoney to temples for visiting them instead of following their life style ..

        Ifu will repent , Allah will guideu else ur eyes and mind will remain blocked with darkness..

        All the best

        but yes my only request , stop bowing down to idols , stop making images of gods, stop insulting other religions ..

      • @Gulrez

        My dear Gulrez, your kind merciful benevolent Allah has sealed my heart from entering islam. Now, what can I do if He predestined my fate to be a kafir and burn in hell? Why did Allah not reveal the Quran to me instead of Mohammad?

        Please keep these jokes to yourself henceforth, they only increase our laughter nothing more

        We will extinguish your hell fire, so dont you worry about us, we do not even panic from childish fairy tales like that. Hell Fire……………Good Joke

        Before lecturing others on idols, please go and break that kaaba of yours into pieces if and only if you are a true NON IDOLATOR, I do not like it when muslims bow before some idol like that.

      • Thanks for being humble and realising that U people are different than muslims ….and hence deserve a difernt destiny…
        But I must tell you last time ..what is the history of religions as perislam …which might connect all of us ..
        its not meant for putting my views but persuing the truth which is long hidden from the generations ..
        Allah created the gins , Demons made of smoke andgave a free will and made angels made oflight with restricted will .. and then made human made of dust with again a free will.. and declared to all creation that man is superior to all as it possessed the knowledge of all things so bow it to him but the leader of jin, satan didnot follow it and argued so he was expelled from the heaven and kept trying lure human couple from following allah by letting them eat forbidden fruit of the garden of heaven .. finally he succeeded so allah gave the punishment to adam and eve along with their forthcoming offsprings that they have to leave for Earth and live a restricted life with sorrows and pain and having no memory of this world will be resurrected one day where their result of actions , good or bad will be done and hence whoesoever would have followed the path of allah , the moralistic and right mode of worship , will come back to heaven and others wil go hellfire .. and to guide us , allah will send some messangers in this eath with revealed books . and thus we see a lot many messangers mentioned in all middle eastern religions jews , christians and then in islam , describing the same history but differed in one critical point ,that is tauheed .. belief in one creator ..

        Jews the folowers of one person juda , thus called judaism religion followers , who have been send the most no of mesgengers ike moses , david and solemn .. etc in the history of human kind as the god says in bible. They says God is one , but one day he will reincarnate to guide them to the superpower and they will rule the world ..hence tey have already built a temple boundary in jerusalem and are expecting a revival in the next 8-10 years ,

        Tey call him messiah , so considering a fture man birth as god is not monotheism , it is idolatery , as the personality of god , the creator of galxies and sun and earth is so big that he need not to take birth and die and go through all the phases of life .. he can provide a mere change of mind or conditions by a command . so its wrong to worship a man as incarnation of god ..so we muslim say the person going to take birth is one messiah but not god ..

        Now in christianity , these peple were reviously jews but god send another messanger jesus to tell tat one more messanger will come , the final one , so be ready and wait for it and dont get astrayed .. and I will return to follow him in the End times and will let god rule the world And he will be called messiah , another messiah ..
        thus he went up in the heavens later a few years .. but the prevailing jews who did not ike the idea created a mis interpretation tat he was talking about a holy spirit to come and is to be brought in the human body by concentrating when one needs god’s assistance and then jesus will revive in his mind and then god will help him .. thus it is called trinity , using three personalities to seek one God’s help.. which is aginst monotheism ..

        And they believ Messiah the jesus is gonna come back and ruele the world , along with jews as their partners ..

        And islam says … God is one .. he sent many messangers through out world , in all the times and people misunderstood them as incarnation of god so he is here to tell the truth last time . with the revealed book … read it and wait for the alst time , jesus will come and will guide u a tthe time when there will be to much chaos .. and non believing of god ..

        So this is concept … And Noah(may pase be upon all the abve messangers ) was the another ore important messanger who came after adam and saved the world with all the species and the sacred books of the previous time in an arc , floating in the water….
        This time is mentioned in bible, jews books , and quran and finally in vedas … As manu ..work

        “As for the Flood, since more than 250 versions of it have been recorded worldwide – indicating a common human ancestry (which is supported genetically, via mitachondrial DNA) – it is to be expected that India would also have its own version. Indeed it is given in the Vedas (the Indian equivalent of the Old Testament). Thus Kersten (p. 52):
        The gods had decided to cleanse the world with an enormous flood, but Manu, the great seer and sage, was to be exempted in order to preserve the human race. The god Vishnu thereupon took on an earthly incarnation for the first time as an avatar, in the form of the fish Matsya, and revealed himself to Manu on the bank of a river. The fish warned Manu that the earth was soon to be submerged, and that everyone living on it would perish. He ordered the sage to build a ship to carry himself and his family, as well as the seven great Rishis (seers), the seed of every plant, and one pair of each kind of animal. And he was also to take the Vedas, to ensure that the sacred texts were preserved.
        Just as the construction of the ship was completed, the great rains began, the rivers burst their banks, and Vishnu as the fish positioned himself at the prow of the boat, his horn above the water. Manu fastened a rope to the horn, and the fish pulled the ship safely through the raging elements until they found shelter on the peaks of the Himalayan mountains (cf Genesis 6-8). The Vedic Flood lasted 40 days – a duration that coincides exactly with that described in the account of the Flood in Genesis.
        The Indian account distinguishes between the hero’s family and seven sages; whereas according to the Genesis account, Noah’s saved family members numbered seven (with Noah being the eighth). Noah was, according to St. Peter (2 Peter 2:5) “the eighth preacher of righteousness”.
        The Indian hero takes on board also the sacred Vedic texts; just as Jewish tradition has it that Noah took on board the Ark the sacred records of his ancestors (or toledôt).
        In one account of the Flood in Polynesia “the hero is”, according to Kersten (p. 52), “even called Noa”.


        SO the point mentioned here is all the religions are from one god’s messangers , and share the same basic belief and same history but the laders have preached that one is superiorthan othrs .. and this time its sislam who is trying to make them stand together using the books which is notbeing accepted by the fanatics and are creating furore …
        but the truth has to be there and will prevail.. as the quran which talks about in numerous scientific discoveries , which we came to know recently proves itself that it s a god’s word and mohammad pbup.. was his messanger.. and allmen has to get united with one way of worship …
        which is not a negativeide.. hence i am pressurising u people to analyse , readand reearch wht is trut …

        And as far as about abraham , and all are concerned in history , I must come back to the history of religion …. So after noag who savedworld from flood .. passed away and people set back in their lives with worshipping these people only .. so there came abraham and made kaba and his two sons brought the generations of one god followers in middle east .. and same time .. vedas were being preached in india …
        do the two sons of abraham ismael and ishaaq had their tribes in existance .. and the so of ismael , elder brother had yaqoob or jacob who had 1 children .. the eldest brothe huda was very negative and wanted to rule as a mesanger but couldnot coz god chosen his youngest brothe joseph and benjamin .. so he created his own religion hudaism or judaism and the followers are jews .. and god send so many messangers to them and told them to spread the message of truth to all tribes in the world .. but the y kept all the secrets with them and claimed to be a choosen people .. so God send jesus pbuh, with a message of another forth coming prophet who was finally able to spread the message and after him no more prophet has to come so its the responsibility of muslims to convey the truth and spread the message and tell the people that

        Allah is one .. there is no partner to him .. He made the world to test us , our loyality for him and not for enjoying it .. for the njoyingthere is paradise .. u will get all u se here, hoorein, wine and all golden jewellary and all beautiful places for each of us but dont run for them here ,… its a test for u to believe in unseen , to follw the books who u havent seen writing .. have te ultimate faith in some one who is watching u .and refrain urself from sns .. and if u do u will win a place in heaven else will go to hellfire . thats is .. and the people who never told u the truth , jews , are again misleading u …Allah dispersed them in 70 AD by romans because they didnot follow jesus pbuh and didnot spread the message of allah also and let them scatter till 1948 they made israel .. andnow he is cursing muslim because for past 200 years we arein the luxuries of this world and are not spreading the truth …and whosoever is honest form heart .. will definetly find thid touching to him and will do some research .. and will go through the books , vedas and quran and will cross check wheather are they matching or not …is the verse quoted by zakir true or not , manu’s and noah story resemble or not , garun puran description of post death matches with islamic post death literature matches or not …

        do it my friends , and believe it , we are not converting u .. we are spreading the message .. the conversion is in god’s hand .. he does it with who repent therir sins , even a backbiting , abusing , stealing and saying jokes for god is a sin .. ask for repentance .. and he will guide you to the path …

        And this last mail of mine my let you know about the future written in the books as well…
        Vedas says a vishnu incarnation has to come .. who will guide us
        Jews says a messiah will come to let them rule the world
        Christin says jesus will come to revive their soul and they will live forever here..

        And finally muslims says .. Allah will send a final and the most confusing test for human being , a test from where he will distinguish who really believe in him and who believe in the worldly pleasures.. This will be called anti christ or dajjal. During his time , the knowledge of allah wil be like a black ant on black rock in dead block dark room .. so whosoever will follow Allah’s / God’s books honestly will be able to differntiate .. else will follow the trends ,, Like we say pre marriage sexual relation is a norm , gay relnp is ok , bribe is ok , even for colleges, if u r rich , u r respectered , loan is ok even for a washing machine , king lacs of people is ok just for one person ..(afghanistan)
        Women are dressed and nude simultaneously.. sex between the relationships …

        And finally the dajjal wil appear and will carry food and water with him at a time when there will be too much cjahaos , fighting , drought of three years .. and this time whoesoever witll accept food from hi, wil have to accept him as god else he will kil … So this person will claim to be messiah or christ and hindus will call him vishnu awtar .. but he will reighn for 37 days when the actual christ will apear , the jesus christ and will kill him and will prevail the religion of one god as per the scriptures but thill so far al those who are hyppocratics or wrong believer of muslims also will be covered by dajjal and will be a part of his group…

        so my friend u see the todays econo,y , fashion and ideologies start from Ameria , which is in fact in the hands of jews .. the symbol of dajjal , having one eye , is printed on all dolars which is the supreme court symbol of israel … so people folow the trends of their and are following them .. And these jews are claiming jerusalem as the place of their god to come and hence muslims are being termed as terorists who oppose them and hence the false allegations against them of twin towers and iraq fights and placing bribed presidents in all surroundng countries of israel are there …Hence u hear so much anti muslim feeling but see an ordinary muslim quite within his religeous living which is a contradictory fact ..

        Quran says .. God is not the creator of confusion . His laws are simple to follow and understand .. So all what is propagated against islam .. women , marriage , killing , kafir if read in context , from the right books , sahis hadeeth and quran , will bring a light .. but people around us ahs already made a veil of suspicion and hatred that it all ook a lie and thus they ar emaking yu a part of a global power )we being led by their god … (A belief which Is Considering thm as superior race , hidden )

        Iam just saying islam is a true way of allah , read it , clarify the misconception , followthe right form of god and then folow morals .. U will die and then will be resurrected ,there will be one judgement day .. we will be send either to hell or heaven and a few who will be folloeing one god’s supremacy but would have occured sins will go for hell for a period , decided as per the severity of their crime and then will return to heaen , with a black forhead .. and they will live their forever as allah has made earth and heaven and hell for real and has made this system for them being choosen in different place so that a person of hell may not claim y did u place me in hell .. or angels may not claim y u made a beautiful heaven for men and not for us .. its a tes twhich all will be witnessing and will be aproof for all of us to relize what is right and wrong .. i must say this is a very frightining realityand had it not been right allah wont ahve said in quran , sun and moon are complteing their assigned term .. all has to perish one day .. which the scientists ahave got to know in this century alone . several other discoveries .. are also available under the topic quran and science .. read it and see if quran is right ..

        And most importantly u will never find any confusion and contradiction and anti humanity in anyone of Quran’s verses and that’s why it taks about the logic reasoning and not the illogical supremacy of one reace aor god incarnation by any oter religion ..
        May allah show you te path of wisdom ..aamen ..
        And thanks for lisening for so many days .. I wont disturb u any more .. I have compleed what i had to say

        its ur wish .. wheather u shrug it off .. or research of what i said ..

        Alah hafiz my friends

      • Namaste Gulrez

        Thanks for being humble and realising that U people are different than muslims ….and hence deserve a difernt destiny…
        But I must tell you last time ..what is the history of religions as perislam …which might connect all of us ..

        I would not go into the stories you posted after this statement as they demand blind belief , forget about rational answers there’s no intuitive insight that can be gained out of the stories of bible, quran etc.

        look at that story of Satan – he is thrown out of heaven for not bowing down to Adam..actually Satan is truest muslim of all the 1.5 billion muslims.

        who is a muslim ? one who does not bow down to anybody other than Allah.
        Satan is the only muslim in the world rest all 1.5 billion muslims believe that Satan was wrong in not bowing down to somebody other than Allah 🙁

        such is the contradiction in the beginning of your story ..now you have to ask yourself …would you favor truth or your blind belief ..that is the question sir!

    • @Subrata

      Namaste Subrata,

      these are very good noble thoughts, in fact we should done this long time back before people like Naik stepped into the platform to defame the vedic religion. But the problem is that all these great Vedic scholars, even today need funds from our hindu brothers and sisters, but our hindus are busy investing money in making more and more temples and golden idols which will not benefit anyone. Only if we all convince our hindu brothers and sisters, even for a span of ten years to donate generously to sites like Agniveer.com who promote Vedic Dharma, then we will definitely educate everyone to an extent where Naik will get scared to even lecture about hinduism henceforth.

      There are some good channels like Aastha Tv, which is run on Vedic Broadcasting. But still, we need to improve channels to an extent where they educate everyone on all ages regarding Vedas.

  58. You people are late,Dr. Zakir has already done a great job for Islam.We do not care whether he copied ,paste word to word from somebody’s work.At least we are concerned about the knowledge he imparted to the millions of Muslims and Non-muslims.You people are just trying to diminish his image.But, what you don’t konw is this man has done what he did for abundant reward from Allah(S.W.T..).we are aware of people like you who are always after the lapses of good personalities to destry their fame.Mind you. if you are non muslim i wouldn’t be surprised to hear this from you.But, if you are, i doubt much about your ‘Imaan’.Nonetheless.if you like you can fill the whole size of your country saying bad things about this man,we will always consider your report as ‘HASADAH’.

    • Zakir Naik is kanjar Yajeed ki aulad. He is ajent of Mirza Gulam Ahmad Qadiyan. He will burning in hell Inshaallah and all his suporter also burning in hell.


    • @ Yusuf

      I enjoyed your pervert Comment. It is so pitiable that it does not deserve any SANE person’s anger, rather We should laugh at this state of Ultimate idiocy and SELF-DEFEATIST Attitude.

      You people keep on getting fooled by that Ultimate Moron, and we guys will keep on thanking Zakir Naik for giving us a REGULAR DOSE OF COMEDY and that “sacred” Knowledge (Ops, Did U call that “Knowledge”) !!!

      Why not suggest Naik to open up his own 24 hr Comedy channel, he has the “Looks” as well as the “Material”. I assure you at least Hindus will be his regular audience always yearning for that DOSE OF LAUGHTER ON HIS SLAPSTICK COMEDY.

  59. zakir naik gives information on medical sciences and hex amine proteins.just check where did he get his munna bhai degree from.he is also giving jhappi to heal people.medical fraternity is enlightened by the gyan he gives.soon you will get diagnosis for tb, cancer, etc from quran.he is doing so g8 service for mankind and you are not taking him seriously

  60. zakir naik is more of a cartoon character to be taken seriously .if you are fed up of daily comedy sops any time you can tune to zakir bhais peace tv urdu.you can see him dancing better than michael jackson.he looks more like an ostrich.i belive he is the mega star of the millenium.

  61. mr waqar bhai has forgotten that it is afganisthan supplying drugs to the world.and all the sex trade in the world is taking place to satisfy the saudi seikhwho are interested in just one thing.allah has already punished them and also punishing them for the crimes they commited against these women.and for attacking INDIA.afganisthan is battered ,pakistan is living on bheek, iraq is gone and the next number is of iran,oman and baharin are thriving but for how long.israel with population equal to that of delhi has yad dilaoed their nani.after 50 years all the oil rich conries will again become bhikmanga and roam aroun in chaddis and we shuold take gyan from these people.
    the pakistanni sunnis are regularly bombing their shias and that too in their mosque and they are preaching about their faith in allah.
    what unity atleast the varios sects of hinduism dont bomb each other

  62. zakir naik should take part in jhalak dikhlaja dance competition and his smile is like mahishashur.poor michael jackson also danced to the tune to these people and rest is history.(in one of his shows he just said lord krishna has 160108 wives and mocking him and all those muslims were laughing .the same bhagvata also tells that lord krishna is god almighty and he is making fun of allah).you can buy vedas, bhagvata , gita, mahabahrata from isalmic researh foundation printed in afganishtan and pakistan.they can turn any god into a porn star.it is from this book that he gives quations from



  65. Has anybody thought seriously about these Mullahs?. These bastards are the real enemy of islam and brought this mighty religion to its weakest state in history. Remember one thing if all our sects get to unite the whole world will be ours. However, these bastards are the only problem not letting us unite. It lets be a true mulling and follows the real islam without consulting these jews agents.

  66. To all Muslim brothers & sisters on this forum: Great to see u all doing your best to convince or correct the allegations laid by this forum. Allah will definitely reward you for all this as you are doing your job. Criticism has been there since the time of our beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. & the most of the critics themselves have turned to the path of Allah & His Messenger and became the strongest followers of Islam upon thorough study with true spirit. There are hundreds of such examples one of the greatest example is of Hazrath Umar raziallahutalla anhu. There were also few who were not been guided like Prophet’s uncle himself as an example. Even in today’s world we find hundreds of people from every profession intellectuals, scientists, celebrities………..etc who have accepted & are accepting Islam. We Muslims are at least born Muslims who may not be willing to deviate to other religion (in fact, this is not the reason, but the real truth is we know Islam is a true religion). But what about millions of non-muslims who are reverting to Islam?. We have to look into these facts bcoz they after having born into a non-muslim faith have compared, seen the difference, realized & then whole-heartedly accepted Islam. Besides doing our job of spreading the message of Islam, we should pray also to Allah s.a.w for them, that He guides them to the straight path (Ehdinas siratal mustaqeem). Inshallah, they will be guided with Allah’s will, if not, Allah says to such misguided “summum bukmun umiyun fahum la yarjiyoon” (Seeing they see not, hearing they hear not…….). Hazrath Umar raziallah hutala anhu was a strongest enemy of Rasul Allah than any of these, who went to kill our beloved Prophet but when he heard the Quran being recited by his own sister and bcoz of the Dua of our Prophet S.a.w., he was so guided that he entered into deen so much so that the Prophet himself said if there was any Rasool to come after Him, it should have been Umar raziallah hutala anhu. He was ready to die and sacrifice everything for the sake of Allah, His Messenger and for the cause of Islam. Look at his contribution towards Islam during his regime/khalifath, is even today considered as an exemplary role model by most of the historians, politicians, administrators etc.

    This forum should be promoting Hinduism instead of criticizing other religions. But, it looks to me that to be able to uplift their religion, the forum is doing their best to bring down Islam with the help of anti-islamic websites and material available on-line. If at all they want to find mistakes, I let them do research on Quran and Sahi Hadees in a positive sense & asking the real God to show them the straight path & see what wonders the Quran (word of Allah s.w.t) will do to them on their heart & minds. Dr. William Cambell, who knew Arabic language, did challenged that there are many mistakes in Quran and wrote a book with all mistakes that even earned a reward for the best selling book of that year. When Zakir Naik bhai challenged and had a debate with him, he made him dumb struck on the stage, in his place, before his own people by logically and scientifically clarifying all his alleged mistakes and since then the very same book that use to sell like hot-cake was dumped in garbage in many stores after it lost its popularity. Anyways, what I mean to say is, we Muslims have Alhamdulillah done our job. There is no point in repeating the same again and again and waste our time here reading and arguing. This being the holy month of Ramadan, we should spend the same time reading, understanding and practicing what is written in Quran & making dua to Allah.

    Agniveer knows that we all brother & sisters in Islam justified & clarified his criticism but due to egoism he is not ready to accept the truth and started to pretend like now he wants to be a Muslim and wants we Muslims to guide him to which sects of Islam he has to follow. This bureaucracy is played to bring rift amongst Muslims, wants us to argue between ourselves in the name of sects and he wish to sit in his place and enjoy us arguing. Which ever sect we belong to, we should not get caught into such evil & cunning intentions. He failed to understand that which ever school of thoughts we Muslims belong to our Allah, our Messenger & our Quran is ONE. He went up to saying that every sect has different Quran and we follow different Prophets and cunningly asks us which Quran and which Prophet he has to follow if he wants to become a Muslim? He thinks we Muslims are fools and we will get into the clutches of division and we would start fighting amongst ourselves in the name of sects. He is adopting the strategy of Shaitaan who is far cunning and intelligent than Agniveer & unfortunately we in India although sought independence from British, British have inherited in us the ‘Divide & Rule policy’ which people like Agniveer and politicians still follow. Agniveer doesn’t know that even if we belong to different sects and follow different school of thoughts, we all follow ONE Quran, ONE Prophet, and our God is ONLY ALLAH subhana wa tala.

    Muslims is the one who submits his will to Allah. I urge Muslims to be united like Allah says in Quraan “HOLD ON TO THE ROPE (QURAN) OF ALLAH & DO NOT BE DIVIDED”. Our beloved prophet prophesized, there are going to be 72 sects. He did not say we should be divided into 72 sects. The one that goes to Jannah (heaven) will be the one who follows the tenets of Quraan & Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad sallalla hu alaihi wa sallam in all walks of his life, regardless of any school of thoughts he belongs to. All the four Imams/school of thoughts taught us the same that later if any of their preaching contradicts with the Quran and Sunnah, we should throw such preaching on the wall (meaning ignore such preaching by them & instead follow what Quraan & Sunnah teaches). Hence, any school of thought we follow, it is very essential that we refer to Quraan & Sunnah & follow only what Quran & Sunnah says & ignore any such beliefs and practices that goes against it. Only then will we Muslims be united & no doubt we all shall go to paradise. All attributions of Allah are of Love, Gracious & Mercy. He is the most Gracious & the most Merciful. Allah has just divided 1% of his Mercy & Love amongst his creation from which we show so much of our love and mercy to our relatives, friends & fellow beings. Imagine how much Allah Loves & has Mercy on us with 99% of Love & Mercy He kept for Himself?

  67. Assalamualaikum-wa-rehmatullahe-wabarakatoh ,

    Almost every religion in the world teaches man to be good .
    Every religion has basics which teach nothing but good .
    If a representative from one religion chooses helpful facts from other religions or sects or wat-so-ever to spread it to the world (no matter what belief they have) , he probably just wants to spread wealthy knowlrge ! And yes , if its written in the Quranic verses why shudnt he refer to them . If the right information is written anywhere , he has full authority to share it , spread it . This is what research is !

    I’m sorry to say , but articles like these are created when attention is not given to what is being said but who it is being said by – what religion ? what sect ? what cast ? –
    These facts and figures are nothing useful !

    Its not that Dr. Zakir Naik has some kind of plot to destruct our sub-concious minds . His words are a proof ! Whenever a person speaks , its from his words and body language that we know if theres any kinds of flaws present . And honestly apart from Dr. Zakir’s speach , its his confidence on his right research that make u have a feeling in the gut that ” Yes! The man is right ” .
    Plus , he has never showed off about his research ! He might’ve done this just to prevent people from reading Maulana Abdul Haque’s book and changing their believes .

    Personally I think the blame put on Dr. Zakir Naik is made up and very immaturely exagerated .
    No offense .

    The viewers of Dr.Zakir Naik and other scholars like him should try to concentrate more on the message their putting through and not on judging them as persons . And we should always keep in mind that these people are no superior than us . They are simple human beings , and have a right to make mistakes . Surely Allah (SWT) , the Almighty is always there to forgive us .

    Assalamualikum .

    • I love the way you present your self….i wish you’d present a counter argument to agniveer too 🙁

      all i see in your response is an appeal to authority ..no logical denial or refutation to the claims of agniveer

    • @Malik Suhayb Manzer
      Sirji whats Bakwas in it , u think it bakwas because according to Quran you think its a Bakwas .. thiss is was you people will do through out life …

  68. omg this website is sooooooo full of SHIT…. its like more of a INDIA VS PAKISTAN war on this ….and absurd things about religions… many of which are purely based on misunderstanding and taking things out of context….

    this is rather friggin boring for someone who is not from india or pakistan….

    agniveer – GET A LIFE =)

    ps stop advertising on facebook its sooooo annoying aargh

  69. SIMPLE LOGIC WILL EXPOSE THE HINDU CASTE SYSTEM PROPAGANDA OF CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM/COMMUNIST. RAMAYANA was written by VALMIKI who in present day context is DALIT he praised LORD RAM. LORD KRISHNA is from YADAV community who is OBC/SC in present caste system even Brahmins worship HIM without seeing his caste. SO HOW COME THERE IS CASTE SYSTEM IN HINDU RELIGION

  70. as usual and as expected, same attitude!!!!. how long do u keep cutting and pasting the same things over and over again? Why don’t u clear the allegations made by the Phd researcher instead of repeating the same issue again again even after receiving convincing replies to your allegations on others?. U r expert in vedas therefore, not only people of other faiths, even hindu brothers on this forum expects you to clear such allegations. only counting others’ mistakes will not help u hide your mistakes. First clear or accept your mistakes, then count others. Or else, I will see u closing this website very soon bcoz it is only hatred for others I see from u on this website. If u really are a good hindu, propagate hinduism with its good spirit rather than proving other faiths to be false. Only with goodness and truthfulness will you be able to run ur show otherwise, no body would stay here on this forum for longer with your arrogant attitude. Hoping to see u change. Now for heaven sake, don’t kick back the ball against zakir naik again to safe guard urself or cut and paste same allegations. Pls prove what you are, regardless of who is writing to you?.

    • @Steve
      Hold on for some days, we will come with some interesting facts about your last prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani.

    • SIMPLE LOGIC WILL EXPOSE THE HINDU CASTE SYSTEM PROPAGANDA OF CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM/COMMUNIST. RAMAYANA was written by VALMIKI who in present day context is DALIT he praised LORD RAM. LORD KRISHNA is from YADAV community who is OBC/SC in present caste system even Brahmins worship HIM without seeing his caste. SO HOW COME THERE IS CASTE SYSTEM IN HINDU RELIGION





      STEVE EVEN IF THE VERSES YOU HAVE GIVEN ARE TRUE they are just talk between Husband and wife. Sita is just a common woman who talked to her husband like a common woman. If your girlfriend or wife angrily calls you a Dog you do not became a dog that is just momentary fight.

      STEVE EVEN YOUR PROPHET MOHAMMAD HIMSELF SUSPECTED THE CHARACTER OF “MOTHER OF BELIEVERS” AISHA AND AISHA herself accused Mohammad of considering her as animal using for lust.

      PROPHET MOHAMMAD’s WIFE (BELIEVER’S MOTHERS) accuses Mohammad of becoming IMPOTENT in his later life. See this website for references.


      STEVE BROTHER you told Hindus try to show similarities between Islam and Hinduism and try build bridges RAVI SHANKAR tried to build that bridge by showing similarities between Hinduism and Islam But YOUR ZAKIR NAIK BLEW THAT BRIDGE.


    • FOOLISH STEVE DID IT AGAIN. In his theory he says SUKRIEVAN BECOMES GOLDEN DEER. FOOL it is not SUKRIEVAN it is Mareecha. These people do not know anything but want to write about Hindu Religion. STEVE AND HIS CHATERJEE Phd is fools who write anything.

  71. Out of such a long list of critical analysis done by a Phd researcher, only one point u guys had to reply about poor one month old krishna and ur team is consoling and convincing each other, that he is right and that is right. I knew when u cannot digest the facts, the only option you guys have is to either: to change the topic or pick up ur same false allegation about islam by ur illogical/senseless/baseless issues or if nothing works simply attack with filthy words to the person (personally even when u don’t know about him) who exposes hinduism. dear representatives of agniveer, grow up and have guts to accept the real truth, otherwise, keep ur mouth shut. like hinduism (although not a religion at all) is dear to you, followers of other faiths too love their religion. try to bring people together and find similarities and find goodness in every religion so that you get rewarded in this life and hereafter, respected by other faiths etc unless, you believe according to hinduism it is a good deed to insult, degrade and make false allegations on other religion. May God show u the right path.

    • Steve, regarding your emphasis on “Phd researcher”, zakir is also MBBS, and we have seen how dismal is his knowledge about medical sciences !! Yes, you are right these allegations are illogical/senseless/baseless, but for for those madarsaa-bred semi-literates, devoid of analytical power.

      Moreover, your hypocracy tickles me, coz’ the belivers of quran which advocates the slaying of non-muslims, raping their women, keeping them as sex-slaves is talking about finding goodness in other religion !! Interesting!! Oops! but your taqiya is caught Mr. Steve ( or whatever ur katuaa name is)

    • @Steve Qadiyani
      We are not dealing with the Qadiyanis as they are not in our priority now, may be sometimes later we shall analyze your Qadiyani scriptures. But unless we do it, stay away from the discussion of Vedic Dharm and Islam. In the mean time, try to save your Qadiyani brothers, who are being bashed in their own mosques in Islamic countries like Pakistan!

    • @steve
      ONE BIG miracle of koran you forgot to mention.

      When that lecher prophet mohammed saw his daughter in law (bahu) zainab, nude in the bathroom, his desire was aroused.

      Suddenly allah almighty (very conveniently) gave a revelation that his son must divorce his wife and get her married to his father.yOU CALL THAT WORD OF GOD? Lecher mohammed even made allah a lech.

      What a miracle? HA HA

    • @steve

      the biggest miracle is that whichever woman/baby muhammad eyed upon, allah came up with a revealation

    • Interpolations to suit one’s imagination is what i saw the website. fantasies dont come true with interpolation of words.

      quran itself says that no one should interpret quran. whatever is written is in quran is written in simple understandable language.

      refer Quran- 44:58, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40

      i think it took muslims 1400 years to realise that they have to interpolate words in quran to make it look scientific. realise this much that, quran contains no science. if it was there in quran 1400 years ago, why not a single invention worth mentioning did not come out of the islamic world. that shows how much science has been flowing in quran. whatever supersitions one can find in a primitive uncivilized societies of middle east, one find the same in islam and quran.

      I read few of those miracles. the verse is simply not related to the miracle the website trying to tell the world. probably it is targeted only @ silly people.

    • @Steve
      Arabic word for miracle is “Maujaja” which means an act which is done against the natural laws. Now if something has to be scientific, it cant be a miracle! And if something is miracle, it cant be scientific!

      • steve qaudiani,who are real muslims? since quadianis consider other `muslims` non muslims.

        Qadianis declare other Muslims as kafir
        From about the year 1911 Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud Ahmad (second khalifa of the Qadiani Movement) started to put forward the doctrine that it is not sufficient for a person to declare belief in the Kalima Shahada in order to be a Muslim because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had now appeared as a prophet and belief in him must be acknowledged as well.

        According to Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, it is no longer sufficient for the existing Muslims to believe in the Holy Prophet Muhammad and all the prophets before him. Now they must also declare that they believe in the prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as well. Otherwise they cannot remain Muslims but become just like those Jews and Christians who believed in the previous prophets but failed to accept the Holy Prophet Muhammad.

        Mirza Mahmud Ahmad wrote a book A’inah-i Sadaqat, published in 1921, which was translated into English and first published in 1924 under the title The Truth about the Split. In this book, while acknowledging his beliefs, he writes:

        “(3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his [i.e. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s] Bai’at formally, wherever they may be, are Kafirs and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah. That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I readily admit.”

        — The Truth about the Split, Rabwah, 1965, pp. 55–56. The 2007 edition of this book is available on the Qadiani website from the link http://www.alislam.org/books/. See page 56 for this extract.

        See original Urdu text below from the book A’inah-i Sadaqat [Urdu 1].

        In this book, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad also gives a summary of his first article expressing these views which had earlier appeared in April 1911. He writes regarding this article:

        “The article was elaborately entitled — ‘A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God.’ The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that ‘those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.”

        — pages 135–136 of the 1965 edition. In the 2007 online edition at http://www.alislam.org/books/ see page 144.

        “Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.” (pages 137–138 of 1965 edition; page 146 of online 2007 edition)

        “…not only are those deemed to be Kafirs, who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai’at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.” (pages 139–140 of 1965 edition; page 148 of online 2007 edition)

        “And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs.” (p. 140 of 1965 edition; page 148 of online 2007 edition)

        See original Urdu text below from the book A’inah-i Sadaqat [Urdu 2].

        According to these views, the only Muslims in the whole world at any time are those who have taken the bai‘at of the Qadiani leader of the time. In the last quotation above, the closing words given as “veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book A’inah-i Sadaqat. The word pakkay conveys the significance of ‘real, true, absolute and full-fledged’, meaning that all other Muslims are kafir in the fullest sense without the least doubt.

        Views of M. Mahmud Ahmad’s brother Bashir
        For the views of Mirza Bashir Ahmad, younger brother of Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, see this link.
        Qadianis disallow funeral prayers for other Muslims.
        Since the Qadiani belief is that all Muslims outside their community are non-Muslims, just like a Christian or a Hindu is a non-Muslim, the Qadiani leader Mirza Mahmud Ahmad forbade his followers from saying the funeral prayers of other Muslims. This instruction is given by him quite clearly and forcefully in his book Anwar-i Khilafat, published October 1916. At the end of the section where he deals with this question, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad writes as follows:
        “Now another question remains, that is, as non-Ahmadis are deniers of the Promised Messiah, this is why funeral prayers for them must not be offered, but if a young child of a non-Ahmadi dies, why should not his funeral prayers be offered? He did not call the Promised Messiah as kafir. I ask those who raise this question, that if this argument is correct, then why are not funeral prayers offered for the children of Hindus and Christians, and how many people say their funeral prayers? The fact is that, according to the Shariah, the religion of the child is the same as the religion of the parents. So a non-Ahmadi’s child is also a non-Ahmadi, and his funeral prayers must not be said. Then I say that as the child cannot be a sinner he does not need the funeral prayers; the child’s funeral is a prayer for his relatives, and they do not belong to us but are non-Ahmadis. This is why even the child’s funeral prayers must not be said. This leaves the question that if a man who believes Hazrat Mirza sahib to be true but has not yet taken the bai‘at, or is still thinking about joining Ahmadiyyat, and he dies in this condition, it is possible that God may not punish him. But the decisions of the Shariah are based on what is outwardly visible. So we must do the same thing in his case, and not offer funeral prayers for him.”

        — Anwar-i Khilafat, page 93 of original edition; underlining is ours.
        This book is available online at the Qadiani website in the collection Anwar-ul-‘Uloom, v. 3, no. 5 from the link http://www.alislam.org/urdu/au/?j=3. See pages 150–151.

        See original Urdu text below from the book Anwar-i Khilafat [Urdu 3].

        It is quite clear and plain from these instructions that the Qadiani belief is that all other Muslims, including the children of those Muslims and even including those Muslims who believe in the truth of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad but have not taken the pledge to join the Movement, are unbelievers (kafir) and non-Muslims just as people of other religions such as Hindus and Christians.

        Original Urdu texts of above quotations
        Title page of first edition of A’inah-i Sadaqat:

        Images below are from the online edition of A’inah-i Sadaqat at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/au/?j=6 (book no. 5). We have used red-lining to indicate the words being referred to.

        Urdu 1:

        (A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 35 original edition; p. 110 online edition)

        Urdu 2:

        (A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 84 original ed., p. 149–150 online ed.)

        (A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 85 original ed., p. 150 online ed.)

        (A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 86 original ed., p. 151 online ed.)

        (A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 86 original ed., p. 151 online ed.)


        Title page of first edition of Anwar-i Khilafat:

        Urdu 3:

        Anwar-i Khilafat, p. 93 original edition, p. 150–151 online edition. Image above is from the online edition of this book at http://www.alislam.org/urdu/au/?j=3 (book no. 5)

    • President declares Qadianis as non-Muslim

      25 May 2002 Sunday 13 Rabi-ul-Awwal 1423

      President declares Qadianis as non-Muslim
      By Our Staff Reporter

      ISLAMABAD, May 25: President Gen Pervez Musharraf has declared that anyone who has the faith against “Khatm-i-Nabuwwat” (that Holy Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) is the last prophet) is not a Muslim.

      The president made this declaration, while responding to the points raised by some Ulema at the end of the National Seerat Conference held at a local hotel here on Saturday.

      As the president was about to leave the dais, some Ulema rose from their seats and asked him to declare Qadianis as non-Muslims.

      One of them said, “Mr President, the whole nation will support you if you declare that the joint electorate will be reversed to the separate one as it has led to strengthening the impression that it was aimed at violating the constitutional declaration about Qadianis.”

      The president said, “We have to live in this world with certain policies as there are Hindus, Christians and other minorities living in this country as well.” He asked the religious leaders to show some tolerance in their reaction, “as we have to take along the whole world.”

      The president said, “I have talked to a number of heads of Muslim states, including Mahatir Mohammad of Malaysia and Abdur Rahman Wahid, ex-president of Indonesia, and found that all of them have different point of view on these questions.”

      He advised the Ulema not to give the world an impression that Islam was a rigid religion and to show magnanimity in their views.

      Gen Musharraf, however, assured the Ulema that their views would be considered and given weightage at an appropriate stage. He said everyone had sentiments about their faith and “I am not behind in this from anyone of you.”

      Federal Minister for Religious Affairs Dr Mehmud Ghazi told the people that the constitutional amendment declaring Qadianis as non-Muslims made in 1974 was still part of the constitution and it would remain so.

      © The DAWN Group of Newspapers, 2000
      Source: http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/26/nat12.htm

    • Steve qadiani,
      here is a muslim site refutting your belief.


      Refuting the Qadiani beliefs

      The term Qadiani is used in this discussion, without any offence intended, to refer to the movement which developed under the leadership of the late Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud Ahmad, based first at Qadian, India, till 1947, and then at Rabwah, Pakistan. Since 1984 it has been based in England after the then head, the late Mirza Tahir Ahmad, was forced to flee Pakistan.

      Under the following topics, we refute some of the wrong beliefs of the Qadiani movement, and show that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad himself never entertained any such views:

      Introduction to how and why the Split in the Ahmadiyya Movement took place in 1914.

      Read detailed history of the Split (in biography of Maulana Muhammad Ali):
      Events of the Split
      Founding of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Anjuman

      Qadianis declare all other Muslims as being kafir and outside the fold of Islam.
      Mirza Bashir Ahmad’s book declares other Muslims as kafir and non-Muslim in Islamic law.

      But Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad regarded other Muslims as Muslims.

      Qadianis establish an autocratic, despotic khilafat, contrary to the teachings of Islam and of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Read the two topics below on Khilafat in the Ahmadiyya Movement:
      Brief Review.
      Detailed article with references.

      Qadianis evade Maulana Muhammad Ali’s challenges to debate. (Read in biography of Maulana Muhammad Ali)

      70 senior Ahmadis take oath that Hazrat Mirza did NOT change his claim from muhaddas to prophet.

      Earlier beliefs of leading figures of the Qadiani Jama‘at that Prophet Muhammad is the Last Prophet and Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is Mujaddid of the 14th Century hijra and a wali (saint).

      Qadiani contradiction in their own alleged date of change of claim

      Mirza Mahmud Ahmad retreats from his belief about the “coming Ahmad” prophecy

      Reply to Mirza Tahir Ahmad’s mubahila challenge

      Views of Maulana Nur-ud-Din agree with Lahore Ahmadi beliefs

      Theory of change in claim in 1901 invented by Maulana Sana-ullah of Amritsar


      To read a fully detailed refutation of the false Qadiani allegation that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be a prophet, please look up the topic on our Home Page entitled:

      Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad did not claim to be a prophet.


      Mirza Mahmud Ahmad’s claim of being Muslih Mau‘ud:
      When Mirza Mahmud Ahmad announced this claim in 1944, Maulana Muhammad Ali refuted it immediately. Read the following Friday Khutbas by Maulana Muhammad Ali:

      4 February 1944: Vain desires are the opposite of practical action
      18 February 1944: Mirza Mahmud Ahmad has made religion into a children’s game
      3 March 1944: The Quran on those who ‘take their desires for god’
      Mirza Mahmud Ahmad wrote in 1908 that the ‘Promised Son’ would not be actual son of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad


      Articles in past issues of ‘The Light’ about the Qadiani Movement:

      Reply to a Letter from a Qadiani (1996, issue 3)
      Qadiani beliefs refuted in Internet exchange (1996, issue 1)
      Exaggeration of their numbers by the Qadianis (1995, issue 3)
      Qadiani Statement falsifies the Promised Messiah (1995, issue 1)
      Will Mujaddids come in future? Mirza Tahir Ahmad says “No”, but the Promised Messiah says “Yes” (1994, issue 6)
      Calling Muslims as kafir. Refutation of a repugnant belief, by Maulana Muhammad Ali. (1993, issue 6)
      Differences in belief of Lahore Ahmadis and Qadianis (1992, issue 4)


      Sworn declaration by Maulana Muhammad Ali:

      “I, Muhammad Ali, head of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Jamaat, do swear that my belief is that Hazrat Mirza [Ghulam Ahmad] sahib of Qadian is a Mujaddid and the Promised Messiah, but not a prophet, nor can any person become a kafir or excluded from the fold of Islam by denying him. This was also the belief of Hazrat Mirza sahib. O God, if I have uttered falsehood in this oath taken in Thy name, then send upon me from Thyself such exemplary punishment as has no human hand in it, and from which the world would learn how stern and terrible is God’s retribution for one who deceives His creatures by swearing falsely in His name.”
      Background to this sworn declaration. (Read in biography of Maulana Muhammad Ali)

    • @kaffir786
      this episode of krishna happens when krishna was a month old. wondering how can a month old baby have sex with a woman?

      probably @steve must have got reminded about Mohammad having sex with 9 year old child bride, ayesha.

      there is no other parallel i can see or relate to.

      you are right kaffir786, this guy’s logic is outright stupid.

      • RAJA BROTHER you are right these people give reference to unverified sources and make mockery of themselves

    • this is a reply to steve and the fools who use the website “truthofhinduism” regarding the case of puthana and krishna

      during the vamana avathar,
      mahabali’s daughter (i dont know her name properly)
      saw the young beautiful vaamana………
      vaman appeared there as a young small dwarf beautiful child
      looking and admiring the lovely beautiful face of the young child vaamanan, mahabali’s daughter felt to be like a mother to him and vaamana as a small baby, and so she wished to breastfeed him like a mother breastfeeding her baby child
      but in that birth of her(i.e. mahabali’s daughter)), she didnt get the oppurtunity ti do so….
      lord vaaman was vishnu, the all knowing , the all intelligent,
      understood this and gave her oppurtunity to do so in his krishna avathaar .
      in his krishnaavathar, mahabali’s dughter took her birth as puthana. lord krishna, enjoyed his childhood as a lovely beautiful child . so puthana got her wish satisfied in krishnaavathar, i.e. breastfeeding lord vishnu as a small, beautiful child like a mother (to her child)………..


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    another place Hindu-Christian communal violence, in other places, Hindus and
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    Have you ever thought why all these disturbances happen who is instigating this? The
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    earth to which Hitler belonged. Who are the Aryans in India?
    They are the high caste Brahmins / Rashtriya Swayam Sewak Sang (RSS) and their
    Let us NOW reason together.
    A) A Brahmin is born to fulfill Dharma. Whatever exists in the world is the property
    of the Brahmin. On account of the excellence of his origin, he is entitled to all.
    The Brahmin eats but his own food, wears but his own clothes. All mortals
    subsist through the benevolence of the Brahmin.
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    Dr. Ambedkar says the cardinal principles of Brahminism are six:
    1. Graded inequality between the different classes.
    2. Complete disarmament of Shudras and the untouchables.
    3. Complete prohibition of education of the Shudras and the untouchables.
    4. Ban on the Shudras and the untouchables occupying places of power and
    5. Ban on the Shudras and the untouchables acquiring property.
    6. Complete subjugation and suppression of women.
    “Inequality is therefore the official doctrine of BRAHIMANIS” (IBID-204)
    Devadhinarn jagat sarvam
    Mantradhinam ta devata
    Tam Mantram Brahmandhinam
    Brahmana nam devata
    The Universe is under the power of Gods.
    The Gods are under the power of the mantras.
    The mantras are under the power of the Brahmins.
    Therefore the Brahmins are our Gods.
    Abbe J.A. Dubois’s, “Hindu Manners, Customs and Ceremonies”, Oxford. Third Edition
    1906, Page 139.
    Also Manu-VI1, 137:
    “Let the king after rising early in the morning worship Brahmans who are well
    versed in the three-fold sacred sciences and learned in policy and accept their
    Again Manu — XI, 85:
    “Brahman is the root of sacred law. By his origin alone he is a deity EVEN FOR
    THE GodS and his word is authoritative for men”.
    No! They are invaders like the British and the Moghuls who entered India via Khyber
    Pass to plunder its riches.
    How clever are they when compared to the so – called low caste Hindus? They are
    cleverer than the Jews. Why? Because the Jews with all their brain and might have yet
    not settled. But the Brahmins who came from Central Asia are dividing and ruling
    India without anyone noticing them.
    The British have left India. But the higher caste Brahmin is still following the British
    policy of “divide and rule”, creating barriers of caste and creed. They have carved a
    niche for themselves in India. At whose cost? At the cost of the poor, half clothed
    starving lower caste Hindus.
    But the vast majority of them are always bent upon instigating and dividing Indians
    and consequently bringing untold misery, hardship and suffering to the innocent and
    poor lower cast Hindus and others and thereby further economically downgrading
    E.g. Havell writes in his ARYAN RULE IN INDIA (Page: 148):
    Already in Asoka’s time the Brahmans had probably CAPTURED the whole machinery
    of the SANGHA us effectually as in modern times they have controlled the inner
    working of British Departmental machinery.
    These invaders branded the original sons of India as SHUDRA and ruling them in the
    name of their religion.
    This is one of the RSS Militant Police working under the banner of Indian Police Force
    made of only high caste Hindus. So far not even a single non -Hindu member has
    been recruited to this group which is getting a high pay (more than other police
    forces) and facilities fromthe Government of India.
    Mr. Khushwant Singh has the following to say in “HINDUSTAN TIMES” on this subject:
    “it is no longer any secret that the loss of life in both Delhi and Meerut was
    predominantly Muslim and the majority of victims were killed by bullets, fired by the
    police and the Provincial Armed constabulary. Our Government controlled media tried
    to camouflage this ugly truth.”
    Dr. Subramaniam Swamy, General Secretary Lok Dal (A) also conveyed the same view
    and went on fasting demanding a Central Inequity of the “STATE — SPONSORED
    GENOCIDE’, of Muslims of Hashimpura in Meerut May last. Dr. Swamy says that the
    innocent people of Maliana village have ruthlessly gunned down. One finds himself
    unable to draw a line of distinction between the British India and Independent India.
    The onslaught that took place in Maliana is no less than the massacre of Jallian-wala
    Bagh. The brutality of PAC is no less than the brutality of General 0. Dyre. The
    incidents which are beyond imagination in democratic countryhave resulted into bare
    (Our condolences to the families of unfortunate victims. Chatterjee).
    Gita preaches (IV —39-40) Karma theory. Krishna tells us in the Gita that he is the
    author of the caste system (Gita 4-13, 10-36, 41). The Upanishads have also
    sanctioned the caste system those who are of pleasant conduct here – the prospect is,
    indeed, they will enter a pleasant womb, either the womb of a Brahmin, or the womb
    of a Ksahtriya, or the womb of a Vaishya. But those who are of stinking conduct herethe
    prospect is indeed, that they will enter a stinking womb, either the womb of a dog
    or the womb of a swine or the womb of an outcaste (Shudra)”. (Chandogya
    Upanishad —5-10-7).
    These Brahmins have created untouchability among Indians so that they can easily
    divide and rule over India and they have succeeded in it.
    Times of India says (30-8-87) that the commission on scheduled castes and tribes, in
    its sixth report placed before Parliament has pointed out that the home ministry
    objective of July 1978 to remove UNTOUCHABILITY in five years has remained
    “illusive”. It continues that the most of the cases are discharged because of failure to
    relate “ insults” or “ attempts to insult” to untouchability. Because of the mandatory
    provision of imprisonment of at least one month if the office is established, even the
    trial court appear to hesitate in pronouncing anyone guilty and so on.
    The Gita (18-44) says : “Service is the duty of Shudra”
    The laws of the Maanu (1-91) say “The Lord Prescribed the Shudra, to serve meekly
    ever these three (other) castes”. Also The King himself must order the Shudra to serve
    the twice born castes (Brahmin) (Manu8l 0).
    To server Brahmins is the highest duty’ of the Shudra.
    There cannot be a greater anti – socialist philosophy than Brahminism.
    If the vast majority of Shudras and particularly the untouchables today appear lifeless,
    spiritless, hopeless and thoroughly emasculated, it is because of this Brahmin law.
    To get a strong foothold in India, the Brahmin divided the sons of India into different
    castes and creeds A Brahmin is huge monster who devours the lower caste Hindu.
    How bad is this system?
    According to a recent government survey there are more than 2,000 castes in India. Is
    it not shameful? It means each caste can claim superiority over the other, a man from
    one caste will not marry a girl of another cast, and no two castes congregate together
    ……….. and so on.
    How will the people of India unify when this inhuman unfair and unequal caste system
    prevails? India is a unique mode in the world when it comes to racial discrimination.
    The death toll in caste war and violence is much higher their in Hindu- Christian,
    Hindu -Muslim communal violences.
    The low caste welfare Minister Mrs. Rajendra Kumar Bajbai read out a report during a
    parliament session on 7-11-86 as follows:
    From Jan 1986 till June 1986:
    Murder of low caste people by High caste Hindu 337
    Raping of law caste Hindu women 511
    Recorded atrocities to the low caste by the high caste Hindu 9347
    Brahminism and Vedas have paid the ways for Bonded Labor System in India, which is
    the creation of caste system. Even after 40 years of independence, still we couldn’t
    gave the low caste Shudras from this bondange devil.
    The Time of India reported on 10th May 1987 that Swami Agnivesh, President of the
    Bonded Labor Liberation Front, said that more than 20,000 people mostly Harijans
    and Advicasis were still being exploited and were leading the life of slaves in West
    Chamaran and Gopalganj districts of North Bihar which be proved to the Government
    with unassailable evidence.
    Why do the high caste Brahmins instigate and provoke the innocent Hindus (other
    castes) to direct enmity and violence against peace loving Christians and Muslims? To
    keep themselves in power and rule over the majority of Hindus who belong the
    Shudra (the so called) low castes. The evil consequences of this wicked design are
    then dumped at the doors of other minorities likes Christians and Muslims and Sikhs.
    Who made the Brahmin the high caste? The Puranas and Vedas say that the Brahmins
    were created by Brahma from big head and therefore they have the right to belong to
    that group. To they are people of high caste. Well, it sounds very logical convincing
    and acceptable but, who wrote the Puranas and Vedas? There any proof or
    authenticity as to their Origin? Or did it come from high above? It would be very
    interesting if you take little trouble to find out who was in fact behind these books
    and what was their motive in writing them?
    We are living in the 20th century where science and technology has advanced
    unprecedently. However, in some parts of India, even today a low caste Hindu cannot
    pass on a street from the end to the other end without first having his chappals
    removed and placed on his head.
    Hotels and other eating places maintain separate cuttlery for low caste Hindus.
    The first Indian Governor General and Ex- Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu Mr.
    Rajagopalchari alias Rajaji (Brahmin) advocated that people should pass down through
    generations the professions of their fathers and forefathers in order to reduce
    unemployment. This suggestion was highly praised by many newspapers owned by
    Brahmins / RSS. What is the reasoning behind this advocacy? Think’ Supposing your
    father was a barber or a cobbler you will be required to carry out the same profession.
    Of course, the self proclaimed, high caste Brahmin with his blue blood will always
    come out on the top even if he is unfit to be a sweeper.
    In his book “History of Tamils”, Prof. P.T. Srinivasa lyenger explains Vedas in more
    detail. Accordingly the High caste Brahmins are supposed to go nearer to the God
    statue and can be a priest. If a Shatria (slightly lower caste than Brahmins) goes
    nearer to the statue of any God, it is a bad omen to the status and the remedies are
    as follows:
    Brahmin (High caste).. You can do anything.
    Shatria …. 7 pots of water to clean the statue.
    Vysia …. 24 pots of water + Shanti Homam to be conducted
    Sutra the lowest caste 108 pots of water + Maha Shanti Homam + FOOD TO
    Only SHUDRAS (Harijans) have built all the temples all over India. These Brahmins
    never carried a stone or brick on their shoulder or bead. Till he completes the
    constructions of the temple, a Shudras hard work is required. But once the work
    completed these Brahmins branded these workers as Shudras and after that they
    cannot even enter the temple and devised for the above mentioned remedies and
    punishments, if they go nearer to the God statues in the temp le.
    According to the Puranas, to become a King or Administrator one should be Brahmin.
    To become a Brahmin, one must take 4 births. But now many low caste people are
    Chief Minister without the 4 birth? This itself shows these Puranas are the “false
    books” created by the Brahmins to fool you.
    The following Chief Ministers were non- Brahmins and they ruled Tamil Nadu for a
    long period in an efficient way and proved the BRAHMIN originated VEDAS and
    PURANAS fairy tales:
    1. Mr. Kamraj
    2. Mr. C.N. Annadurai
    3. Dr. M. Karunanithi
    Which is true? PTO
    Achieve success in this world and hereafter a man has to take three births as per the
    claims of Vedas and Puranas
    The following respected leaders and reformists like Periar E.V. Ramasamy, Dr.
    Ambedkar, Raja Ram Mohan Roy, Lord Pending Ex Chief Ministers C.N. annadurai, Dr.
    Karunanithi and Mr. Shyam Sunder — Father of India’s Dalit Movement, our beloved
    Viduthalai K. Veeramani and respectable revolutionist fought against Brahminism and
    achieved tremendous victories. Because of their continuous efforts, Tamil Nadu today
    is a beacon for the caste of uplifting the low caste Hindus. Till Dr. M. Karunanidhi
    period, there was peace all over Tamil Nadu and he kept the Brahmin/RSS under
    control. Even today still people talk how he handled the T’Nagar Sudden Pillaiyar and
    put an end to the absurdity. This truth cannot be denied by anyone.
    When the late K. Kamaraj, the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu launched plans for the
    upliftment of the lower caste Hindus, the Brahmin owned media spread the rumour
    that KAMRAJ NADAR was helping only NADARS. If it was for Brahmins, they would
    have praised Kamaraj.
    Why is the so-called low caste Hindus financially destitute? Why is India economically
    backward? Because the Brahmins do not allow others to progress. They hold high
    offices in government, control the news media, educational system etc. How could
    others possibly rise up, come out of thecaste system bondage? Needless to say, with
    all the facilities at their disposal they could produce brilliant scientists, doctor’s etc.
    Assuredly even the low caste Hindus could do this if they were provided with the
    same facilities.
    How can India prosper when a comparatively small family of Brahmins who form only
    2% of Indian’s population enjoys a major share of the fruit? The Brahmins are to be
    blamed for the backwardness and stagnation of other castes and the country, which is
    governed by them.
    Other faiths do not have caste system. Periar and Dr. Ambedkar confirms this saying
    that for example Muslim religion Islam believes in absolute equality of human beings.
    No one is superior to another because of color, creed, caste, birth, position etc.
    The tongue of a Shudra, who spoke evil about a BRAHMIN, should be cut off. A Shudra
    who dared to assume a position of equality with the first three castes was to be
    (Apastainbha Dharma Sutra 111, 10-26)
    If a Shudra over heard a recitation of the Vedas molten tin was to be poured in to his
    ears; if be repented the Vedas his tongue should be cut and if he remembered Vedic
    hymns, his body was to be torn into pieces.
    MANU 167-272 says:
    If a Shudra over-heard a recitation of the Vedas motten tin was to be poured in to his
    ears; Again MANU 167-272 says:
    Let the king never slay a Brahman though he may have committed all possible crimes.
    With all reference to Vedas and Puranas it wouId be appropriate to question how fair
    the system is, of administering justice Well according to these Holy Books if a
    Brahman commits a sin he is forgiven, but onthe contrary if a low caste Hindu
    commits a sin, he has to feed twenty Brahmins in order to expiate or erase his sin.
    Would you call this fair and just system of justice?
    Oh! My brethren! India was once a great nation of Hindus. Why is it now
    disintegrating? Why are Hindus turning to other beliefs for relief and solace? Why are
    they running away from Hinduism? This is all due to bias and spiritual intimidation
    and threats by the Brahmins, and of late by the RSS. People of other India differ with
    the Hindus only in faith. They are otherwise similar in all other aspects such as color,
    language, culture etc. They were originally Hindus so they are Intact our brothers. But
    why did they accept a different faith? The Brahmins because they could not further
    tolerate the spiritual torture administer it. Recently, about 50,000 Harijans
    (untouchables because they were created from Brahma’s feet) embraced other faiths.
    These people would have concluded to adopt these faiths in order to gain freedom for
    good from the menace of caste system.
    In his book “WHY CONVERSION?” Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar has shown that the real
    struggle is between high caste Hindus and the Untouchables. One class against
    another is doing this injustice. The high caste’s anger against the untouchables (low
    caste) is very simple. Your behavior on par with them INSULTS them. The
    untouchability is not a short or temporary feature, it is a permanent one. to free
    yourself you must establish close relations with some other society,or join some other
    religion. But until then you cannot get the strength from outside. This clearly means
    you must leave your represent religion and assimilate yourselves with some other
    society. If you have to get ride of this shameful condition, if you have to cleanse this
    fill and make use of this precious life, there is only one way and that is to throw off
    the shackles of Hindu religion and the Hindu society in which you are bound. For
    annihilating castes and untouchability from among the untouchables. CHANGE of the
    religion is the only antidote.
    Also Dr. Ambedkar continues that to call onself a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist or a
    Sikh is not merely a change of religion but also a change of name… Acongential idiot
    alone will say that one has to adhere to one’s religion because it is that of our
    ancestors. No same man will accept such a position. The Hindu society does not give
    equality of treatment. Obviously, the social equality is easily achieved by conversion.
    If this is true the social equality is easily achieved by conversion. If this is true then
    why should you not adopt this simple path of salvation which leads you ultimately to
    equality. After giving dept thought to the problem, everybody will have to admit that
    conversion is necessary to theUntouchables as self-government is to India.
    Finally Dr. Ambedkar concludes conversion is the only way to enternal bliss. Nobody
    should hesitate even if political rights are required to be sacrificed for this purpose.
    Conversion brings no harm to the political safeguards. If you become Muslims you
    will get the political rights as Muslims. If you become Christians, you will get the
    political rights as Christians, if you become Sikhs, you will have your political
    safeguards as Sikhs. In short, our politicalrights will accompany us. Even after 20% of
    India’s population changed into other religions within a short period of time, these
    Brahmins have not yet changed themselves. I tell you all very specifically, religion is
    for man and man is not for religion. To get human treatment, convert yourselves.
    CONVERT for getting organized.
    CONVERT for becoming strong
    CONVERT for securing equality
    CONVERT for getting liberty
    CONVERT so that your domestic life may be happy.
    I consider him as LEADER who without fear or favor tells the people what is good and
    what is bad for them. It is my duty to tell you, what is good for you, even if you don’t
    like it. I must do my duty. And now I have done it.
    It is now for you to decide and discharge your responsibility.
    (Courtesy : LOKRAJYA)
    Just look at the people after conversion. Christians improved their educational, social
    and economic position very much. Whenever the Brahmin media criticizes the Pope,
    Church and their Institutions, the Christians are getting more and more stronger than
    the evil Community.
    Muslims also have improved their social, economic arid educational standard. If they
    changed the religion for GULF MONEY, they could have simply returned to their
    original UNTOUCHABLE category. Can you quote just one evidence for that. It is a
    challenge. I recently visited Tamilnadu all the way from Calcutta to just see a recent
    mass conversion and to my great surprise these new converts are doctors, advocates,
    engineers and most of them are income tax payers. When the Government and its
    official branded these new coverts (educated and rich) have embraced another
    religion just for the Gulf money, this false claim and lies increased their faith with
    their new religion doubled. Though they were able to get their educational and
    economic freedom because of the previously mentioned leaders and reformists, now
    only they got the real freedom from the Brahmin slavery and domination. To day they
    get rights equal to Brahmins. The only secret of their success is CONVERSION.
    (The author was questioned by the Government appointed RSS / Brahmin Secret
    Service Agentspermanently posted in that area inquiring me, who are you? Why
    should you came here all the way from Calcutta, how long you are working in South
    India, do you have property in Tamilnadu and so on. Really they are the very smart
    Recently, a highly intellectual person from the (so-called) low caste Hindu extract
    embraced another religion. When he was urged by his family and Brahmin friends to
    revert to Hinduism, this gentleman readily agreed to come back to thefold of
    Hinduism on the condition that he be accepted as a Brahmin. This offer would have
    been naturally rejected since a low caste Hindu, according to Puranas and Vedas, can
    never become a Brahmin unless he goes through the process of birth and rebirth
    thrice. It is because of this discrimination by Brahmins that educated and uneducated
    Hindus embrace either other religions where it is very easy to be an equal among
    others on DAY ONE.
    Since low caste Hindu started realizing the Brahmin’s atrocities and embracing other
    religions, now Brahmin/RSS want them to come back to Hinduism. If they are sincere
    they must welcome them to Brahminism. But do you know the truth! A man can easily
    become Christian, Muslim or Hindu. But he cannot become a BRAHIMIN. According to
    Puranas and Vedas, he must take another three births to become a Brahmin.
    As a result of Brahmin/RSS domination’s and atrocities, today INDIA HAS MORE
    CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM population than any other Christian and Muslim countries of
    the world!
    Hindus now make up 80% of India’s population. The prospects of this percentage is
    diminishing very fast as the atrocities of high caste Brahmins increasing and because
    of this, other religions are prospering, but Hinduism is dying day by day.
    Show me a Christian, Muslim, Sikh who embraced Hinduism. If they really want, which
    caste of Hinduism will they embrace. Of course he cannot become a BRAHMIN.
    According to Veda, he has to die for three more times. But the Brahmin will not object
    if he becomes another SHUDRA.
    Recently in a Bengal University there was a debate between moderate Hindu
    Professors and fanatic Hindus. The latter were prepared to give their lives to save
    Brahminism. Since the brain washing process in the past! (for many generations) by
    the Brahmins was an excellent one. It is not a wonder to see such people even today!
    Who can stop one who wanted to put sand over his head himself! One can fool
    another in the name of religion for some time but not for EVER ! The 20% of Hindus,
    who have embraced Christianity and Islam to day, is the evidence of it!
    In India 2% Brahmins are ruling 98% Indians whereas in South Africa 10% whites are
    ruling 90% Blacks.
    What right has India to talk about the apartheid policy of South Africa? When the
    worst kinds of apartheid policy is prevailing in India. As such we have no right to
    point fingers at others.
    The living lengend Mr. V.1. Rajashekar says:
    No where in the world the word “peace”, “non-violence”, “tolerance” and
    “brotherhood” are repeated so many times in the day as in India. But nowhere in the
    world so much blood is shed. Perhaps more people were killed in India after the
    “independence” than in the two world wars. We talk of “democracy”, equality before
    law but keep a third of India’s 800 million people as untouchables, unseables,
    unapproachables and unthinkables.
    0! My dear Hindu brethren, can’t you see the truth?
    Violation of Human Rights is a fit case for International intervention and there cannot
    be a more gory case of persecution and torture in the whole world than that of India’s
    Untouchables. The Minority Rights Group (36, Caven St., London Wc2-5NG, U.K.) has
    brought out a valuable document, UNTOUCHABLES OF INDIA, Price Stg. Pounds 1.20),
    exposing the Hindu persecution of Untouchables in India. Also, the American
    Ambassador to United Nations, Mrs. Jeane Kirkpatrick had brought out this subject in
    INDIA ABROAD (Dec. 17, 1982) when raising the issue of Untouchables in India.
    Sumnatha Banerjee, a noted Hindu columnist writes in the Deccan Herald, Dec. 16,
    1982, “On almost all counts India has been violating the Covenant. The conservative
    figures cited by the Amnesty International in the annual report are quite revealing”.
    The former Indian Prime Ministers (all Brahmins, Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandi,
    Morarji Desai and A.P. Vajpeyee (Foreign Minister) have spoken on the International
    antiapartheid (1978-79) without bothering about what is happening in India since
    Independence. The Untouchables in Contemporary India (University of Arizona Press,
    Tucson, Arizona USA) have clearly mentioned the problems of Untouchables in India.
    The Washington post reported on its front page of Jan 3,1980 “Untouchables are still
    India’s outcastes and are still persecuted despite Indian reform effort”.
    In his book the author says how this apartheid system should be handled. A FREE
    copy of this book can be had from P0 2439, DURBAN, SOUTH AFRICA. THE
    In Ramayana (Ayodya Kandam— 100 Sarukkam — Page No. 374 — Translation by C.R.
    Srinivasa Iyer (Brahmin) says: A thief and BUDDHIST are same and there is no
    difference between them.
    You must note the trick of this above claim. When the name Buddhism is quoted in
    the Ramayana it means that Buddhism is older than Hinduism.
    C.V, VIDYA (Brahmin) writes in his EPIC INDIAPage 377:
    “Buddha is a thief, the Tathagata is a Nastik Athiest. A wise man who can help it
    should therefore not be inclined towards Nastika”.
    Do you ever think why sikhism started? Who were Sikhs? Christians or Muslims? No,
    they were Hindus once. If you read what the respectable Guru Nanak had written
    before, you would be surprised.
    Guru Nanak was keenly aware of the immorality ofcaste system; a system under which
    Brahmins gave themselves the most powerful and unchallengeable position at the
    cost of others and especially Shudras, who are condemned to lead a life below human
    dignity. He removed all the apartheid and atrocities that the Brahmin were doing from
    the Sikh society.
    If you go through in detail what Guru Nanak has written you will clearly know that this
    knowledgeable man tried to save the people of Punjab from the caste Brahmins. As a
    result today the Sikhs are forming 2% of India’s total population.
    This belligerent and hostile attitude towards the non-Hindu communities in India is
    not new. In the past this Vedic discipline has been relentlessly applied against even
    “Hindu” reformers who tried to challenge the holy ideology of Brahmin domination.
    The Buddhists were driven out. The Jams were forcibly assimilated. Untouchables and
    tribals confined to segregated quarters. The Sikhs went a ling way towards cultural
    assimilation, but when they demanded economic, political andcultural rights they
    were dubbed as outlaws.
    The Hindu political culture does not admit of socio-cultural heterogeneity, not to
    mention political diversity. If has always sought a coercive homogenization of cultures
    and other religions being not in a position to oblige to such a view have to bear the
    full brunt of a resurgent Cast fascis.
    In a recent Golden temple congregation, the head priest justified their claim for a
    separate land saying that why should we all be ruled by a 2% community (Brahmin)
    when they are not at all the sons of India. He concluded saying that Guru Nanak freed
    us from Brahmins slavery and let us free ourselves from Brahmins rule. Is this claim
    true? You be the judge!
    Who created Devdasi and Jogins? The Brahmins. For whom? Certainly not for go-but
    on God’s behalf-for the high cast priests. Who are the priests? The BRAHMINS. Where
    so the Devadasi and Jogins come from? The low caste Hindus (Shudras).
    Another claim by the BRAHMINS is BARATHA NATYA. Because of Brahmins media this
    dance is very famous today. Once again Dr. Charles criticizes that no decent man will
    ever allow his daughter or wife to entertain others in the name of an ART!
    In the National Geographic Video program (The Explorer). Kalachetra’s Rukmini Devi
    admits that since the Baratha Natya was the only art of Devadasis to please their
    audience and admiral, still the claim that only PROSTITUTES are learning this dance
    couldn’t be changed. Also she admits that now only the Brahmins are trying to save
    this very old talented art. You might have seen plenty of the Baratha Natya’s posures
    in Hindu temples. May be like KARATE to Japanese. BARATHA NATY to a Brahmin,
    since it is the culture and way of the Aryan.
    Again Dr. Charles says that the only CLAIM the BRAHM1NISM can quote is the creation
    or KAMASUDRA (A “HOW TO DO? “BOOK). Even that is not practicable in daily life
    because of its poseurs are not at all possible to any human beings. Also to perform
    such an sexual act you require two more ASSISTANTS!
    UNI-TNDIAN EXPRESS — MAY 29, 87 says that according to Indian Health
    Organization (IHO), the practice of dedicating innocent young girls as “DEVADASIS” to
    the Yellamma temple in Belgum district in Karnataka, continues despite the ban
    imposed by the State Government.
    There is no big surprise in the above claim. LORD KRISHNA is the first person who
    started these atrocities to the low caste milkmaid girls when he used to steal their
    saris and gazing at their naked bodies from the treetops!
    Here is the aphorism of the Brahma-Sutras:
    “shravana, adhana, arthapratishedhat smriteh ca”
    “The smrithi orders that Shudras must be prohibited from hearing, studying and
    understanding the Vedas”.
    In his book “The Sacred Books of the East” which is the translation of SHANKARA’S
    BRAJHMA-SUTRA-BHASHYA, Mr. George Thibaut (edited by F. Maz Muller and
    published by Motilal Bandarsidas, Delhi 1968) which says:
    “The Shudras tongue is to be slit if he pronounces it (VEDAS); his bodyis to be cut
    through if he preserves it and so on…”
    India is the only country in the world where Brahmins made educationtheir exclusive
    monopoly. And also imposed strict penalty on learning by low castes. The penalty on
    LEARNTNG included cutting the tongue and pouring molten lead into ears etc. Please
    read the MANSUMRITI for more details.
    Do you know the average Indian literacy rate? It is 30%
    But the Brahmins have 100%.
    Out of the total Indian doctors in the U.S.A. 67% are Brahmins. The Indian Government
    is spending millions of rupees to educate these selfish Brahmins who instead of
    serving the poor masses of India work in rich.
    On the other hand Brahmin professionals in the field of Engineering and Law exploit
    the people of India. Their representation in these fields is 53% and 57% respectively.
    In the fields of education, what percentage do their Teachers and Professors make up?
    It is more than 51%. Out of 2% of India’s population, how the BRAHMINS can dominate
    this much percentage of fortune! Do you think they have achieved this much success
    in a right and justified work? No it cannot be so. Look at the Yadhavas (Vanniars) and
    Sikhs! They are also representing 2% each of India’s population and their overall
    percentage is not even 3% of success.
    Who has the major share of magazine/news papers published in India?
    Of course, the publishing houses are owned by the Brahmins/RSS.
    What is the size of their share? According to a recent survey, it is approximately 8%.
    The following are the well known Newspapers and periodicals, that are owned by the
    Brahmins, not to mention so many other which are financed by the Brahmins to blow
    their trumpets.
    Indian Express —93% employees are Brahmins
    Hindu — 97 % employees are Brahmins
    Times of India— 83% employees are Brahmins
    Deccan Herald
    Hindustan Times
    India To-day
    Illustrated Weekly
    Ananda Vikadan
    Savi Idayam
    How far do these newspapers and magazines help India solve its burning national
    problems? Nil. On the contrary they methodically brainwash young minds to hate
    people who are not Hindus. They use all the means at their disposal to ensure that
    the so-called low caste Hindus remain divided and oppressed.
    How do they capitalize on the Media?
    You now know that the Media as a whole is under their full control. Recently,
    Kamalahasan, a well-known South Indian actor (Polygamy Brahmin) got himself in
    trouble. This allowed his closest rival Rajni Kant, a non—Brahmin, to become No. I
    hero. The Brahmin/RSS owned media came out with a rumor that Rajani Kant suffer
    from leprosy. Why did they spread such a rumor? Obviously to help the Brahmin
    Kamalahasan to regain his position. Why does the Brahmin/RSS press fabricate such
    stories? Whom do they hurt? You, ofcourse, the lower caste Hindus.
    When anybody marries more than one wife the Brahmin/RSS owned newspapers make
    a big issue of this. Nevertheless, when Kamalahassan (Brahmin) got married to a
    cinema actress for the second time, the Brahmins hushed up the matter immediately.
    Recently one MP challenged in a public meeting in Madras anyone who can show a
    Muslim married four wives. If so, he will give him 10,000 Rupees. On the other hand
    he mentioned 7 leading Brahmin Businessmen and Advocates who live with 4 wives to
    day. An enthusiastic Hindu Munnani Brahmin (RSS Branch) volunteers took up this
    challenge but failed to find one from the Muslims. On the other hand they have
    confirmed the ME’s report that Brahmins have married 4 wives and living in separate
    God Subramaniam had two wives, God Dasharathan had thousands of wives according
    to Ramayana. So Hindu Gods and Brahmins can many more than one. But not lower
    caste Hindu.
    Recently when the Govt. of India sacked Mr Venkateswaran ex-foreign Secretary, a
    Brahmin for reasons, which cannot be made public due to the sensitivity of the
    subject, the entire Brahmin World made an outcry in every possible way.
    These Brahmins have invaded both All India Radio and Television all over India. Most
    of the time Brahmins and their programs only are on air. Hence we can call them as
    Manu —VIII 35,39 says:
    “When a learned Brahman has found treasure deposited in former times, he may take
    even the whole of it, for he is master of everything. When the kind finds treasure of
    gold concealed in the rounds, let him give one-half to Brahmins and place the other
    half in his treasury”.
    MANU—VIl, 133 also says:
    “Brahmans should not be taxed and should be maintained by the state”. ABOUT LOW
    CASTE Shudras. MANU SMRIT X, 129:
    That no collection of wealth was to be made by a Shudra even though he may be able
    to do it, for a Shudra who has acquired wealth give pain to Brahman, and that a
    Brahman may appropriate by force the property of a Shudra.
    PAYCEVANISH BRAHMAN 3-1/11 says:
    Even if a Shudra acquired wealth, he must always remain a slave. His main job is to
    wash the feet of the higher caste.
    TULSIDAS, a Brahman in his Ramayana writes:’
    Even if a Shudra is learned and virtuous, he should not be given respect and honor.
    When the British left India almost all the industries owned by them were taken over by
    the Brahmins. So much so that today they own about 60% of the leading Industries in
    the country. Remember their (Brahmin) population is only 2% of the total population
    of India.
    Let us briefly look at other statistics:
    LAS Officers
    LPS Officers
    Radio & T.V
    • 57% of employees are Brahmins
    • 61% of employees are Brahmins
    • 72% of employees are Brahmins
    • 61% of employees are Brahmins
    • 83% of employees are Brahmins
    C.B.1, Customs Officials & Central Excise: 72%
    A recent classified report says that most of the spies who passed the Indian
    intelligence information to the other countries in the past and earned over night
    millions are also BRAHMINS. You might have read and confirmed this information’s in
    the Indian newspapers in the past.
    For example, let us see how generous these Brahmin are in giving employment to
    others in Tamil Nadu:
    India Pistons
    Sundaram Clayton
    Simpson Groups
    TVS Group
    • 87% Brabmins
    • 91% Brabmins
    • 89% Brabmins
    • 93% Brabmins
    The population of Yadhavas is also 2% and let us see how much percentage they are
    LAS Officers
    IPS Officers
    • 0.2 % of employees are Yadhavas
    • 0.1% of employees are Yadhavas
    • Nil
    • Nil
    Do you get a fair salary for your hard work? No. Why ? Because most of the
    paymasters are Brahmins. Can you live with this pay? Naturally you cannot.
    Remember! Your children/grand children too will continuous your way of life until you
    free yourself from the control of Brahmins/RSS.
    How many Governors are Brahmins?
    How many are Ambassadors and officials in foreign countries all over the world?
    Since India’s independence, only BRAHMINS ruled India. All Prime Ministers of India so
    far were only BRAHMINS Most of he PRESDENTS were BRAHMINS.
    “2% RULING OVER 98% – WONER!
    Even recently the two major PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES were BRAHMINS. Then who
    will be selected! “Head I win and Tail you loose”. With all these appointments also
    the BRAHMINS are not satisfied. Finally the VICE PRESIDENT is also a BRAHMIN.
    Is there no one in India other than the ONLY Brahmins for such positions? So, you
    believe that these 98% population are IGNORANTS and ILLITRATES! It is more worse
    than South Africa, where 10% white is ruling over 90% black population. But here 2%
    BRAHMIN is ruling over 98% NON BRAHMIN of India. To a Brahmin all the 98 % of
    India’s population are nothing but SHUDRAS, irrespective of your beliefs about
    yourselves as Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Sikh and Budhist. UNBELIEVABLE.
    Recently they have proved only BRAHMINS can become a Prime Minister, President and
    Vice President. Did any one notice this?
    How many are in the Central Governments all over India? The Central Government
    survey says these are more than 47%. In Delhi alone in the Central Government
    Offices there are 71%. Since there is only one lobby viz. BRAHMIN LOBBY in the Indian
    Parliament, there is no wonder if all the heads of Department (Prime Minister,
    persident and Vice president) are Brahmins.
    Oh! My suppressed, oppressed, innocent Hindu Brethren! Are you aware that the high
    caste Brahmins have not spared you even in politics.
    Who said India is a secular country? If so, all our claims are garbage and full or lies.
    The master race is following Indian, the original sons of the soil in the name of
    secularism, Church said “Name the dog and kill it “and Brahmin is implementing it
    without anyone noticing.
    It is significant that these Brahmins/RSS members never join the anned forces
    as fool soldiers, border, guards, and other low rade jobs in order to save their own “
    skin, But in high posts as officers they are present enlarge numbers.
    BRHMINS are really smart people. Since they are all motivated claiming that according
    to Vedas and Puranas they are the Master race of the earth from the day of Asoka,
    they have educated themselves generation after generation and today you will see
    that a Brahmin means an educated person: During Second World War they have
    started learning German language. For what? If they won the war, they can go and
    serve the Germans. They are flexible, never argue with you and appear submissive.
    But remember they are the No. I opportunist!
    0! HELPLESS HINDU! Why don’t your children get opportunities to study and become
    doctors, engineers, lawyers, collectors (LAS) and Police Officers (IPSO? Because if you
    study you will get freedom from Brahmin rule and they wi]l losetheir control and slip
    down from their higher positions.
    What is your present situation? Most of you can never hope for anything other than
    work for daily or monthly wages and work as a landless farmer, until your death. And
    this situation will not come to an end with your death. Your children will inherit the
    same fate of being landless farmers.
    Who was responsible for the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi, the father of the
    Nation? Obviously, you know the answer. Because the Mahathma preached and
    practiced inter communal harmony. Equality among people, including the low caste
    Hindus whom he named as Harijans (which means children of God). All beings are
    CREATURES of one God and therefore all are equal!
    How many attempts were made the life of Ambedkar and Periyat?
    Brahmins/RSS Know the technique of cooking plots in such a manner that once they
    are put into effect, the lower class Hindu will be always at the receiving end i. e. you
    will have to face the consequences.
    He is the planner! You are the executioner. Risk to his life and property? Nil. Risk to
    your life and property 100%.
    Currently Brahmins and the R.S.S are training ignorant Hindus in armed combat in
    order to exploit them and use them as cannon foder, as and when required.
    In India nobody is training himself in a violence training except the Brahmin and RSS
    armies who have not only the Governments approval but also its blessing.
    In a peace loving country such as India, is this training in violence essential? Or even
    optional? If you have a patriotic feeling and want to save India, why not join, the
    Indian armed forces?
    Brahmins always criticize, condemn and mock other Religions when they have
    nonsensical practices themselves. Their criticism and mocking is unreasonable,
    unacceptable, and unnecessary. This breeds inter-communal hatred and disrupts the
    peace of our Mother Land. When you point a finger at others you must realize that the
    other four fingers point towards you.
    Now let us examine what others say about Brahminism.
    Although the Hindu philosophers say that Hinduism has only one God in theory,
    which is not known to the majority of Hindus, in practice almost all Hindus worship
    thousands of different Gods.
    For example:
    Male & Female sexual organs (Lingam & Youni) –
    Almost each and every Hindu is worshipping a different God throughout India. There
    is no uniformity in Hindu Gods.
    In the temples most of the male Gods are surrounded by female Gods. Also many of
    the Gods are having more wives and only a very few Gods have married with only one
    Go and see the Hindu Goddesses (Sita, Parvathi etc) and how they are projected in
    temples. How sexy they are? Can their carved out gestures show you to worship? Can
    you imagine either your mother or sister or daughter in such an erotic pose? And you
    call this a holy place?
    Recently one Hindu thief was arrested and he disclosed that he had stolen more than
    134 statues in different places and sold them for a good price. This smart their
    questioned the police, “if these are real Gods they would have stopped or punished
    me. So I should be booked for stealing statues and not Gods”.
    See, how funny it is! If these Gods cannot save themselves, how can they save you?
    How many milestones have become Gods? It is so simple just paint some red and
    yellow color on a milestone and keeps a coin box (hundi) next to it. In a short time it
    will become a God. In India, each and every corner has a small God with some funny
    names getting more and more worshippers daily.
    In his biography, Dr. Charles, an American scholar says it is very simple to define a
    Hindu. He says a Hindu means “one who believes anything and everything if said in
    the name of God And never will its authenticity be questioned.”
    Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and
    understand the, difficulties of mankind. Why is it necessary for a God to incarnate, if
    he is a God? Why coming a cockroach or a donkey to understand the sufferings of
    these creatures?
    Lord Rama is the central character of the Epic RAMAYANA: His father was
    polygamous. Historians say that since Dasartha (god Rama’s father) was having many’
    wives, the whole Ramayana story was created. If Dasaratha remained with only one
    wife, you and I would have never heard these fairy tales.
    Now Brahmins always chant “RAMA, RAMA” and so on. According to Ramayana, when
    he lived in the world he spent most of his time to save his wife Sita and enjoying his
    life only. Now he did he find time to save these Brahmins? Let us see what Ramayana
    says about the God RAMA!
    When God Rama was exiled to the forest together with his wife Sukrievan appeared as
    a deer and fooled God Rama. A God is supposed to know everything. If Rama was a
    God, he should have known that sukrievan was disguising as a deer to deceive Rama
    enabling Ravana to kidnap the Goddess Sita to Sri Lanka.
    To retrieve his wife from Ravana, God Rama sought the assistance of Hanuman, a
    monkey God. Hanuman agreed to help Lord Rama to bring his wife on condition tat
    he (god Rama) in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to under
    taking the mission. It took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and
    accomplish the task but Ravana just took Sita and flew to Sri Lanka in one day’s time.
    Now judge for yourself, who is more powerflul? God Rama or devil Ravana?
    – If Hanuman was a God he should’nt have contracted to murder his own twin
    – If Hanuman, a monkey God, is capable of flying why cannot God Rama, a
    greater God, fly?
    – Will a God seek the assistance of another God to murder a third God”
    – If Hanuman could fly carrying big mountains, he should have in the first
    instance carried and flown God Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in
    early rescue of Sita.
    – Lord Rama, even agreed to be a party in the murder of God Hanuman’s twin
    – Who knows what Ravana might have done to Sita during this period of twelve
    year? Definitely a devil would have done only devilish things!
    Before helping God Rama, Hanuman made Rama to shoot his own twin brother in the
    back and only then did Hanuman help God Rama. How can a God kill someone who is
    not his real enemy? Just because God Rama wanted to save his wife Sita? How can a
    God indulge in such a criminal act?
    These are not empty claims. The Ramayana is telling us this
    1. When God Rama was told to go to forest, he mournfully revealed to his
    mother: “it has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the
    princely comforts and the tasteful MEAT-DISHES and to go to the forest
    to eat the vegetables and fruits” (AYOTHIA KANAM, 20,26, 94”’ Chapters).
    2. With a heavy heart he said to his wife and mother “The kingdom that has
    been about to become mine has slipped out of my hands (Ayothia
    Kandam, 20, 26, 94th chapters) and also I have been ordained to go to
    the forest.
    3. He approached Lakshmana and characterized his father (Dasaratha) as a
    criminal and said:
    4. “Will any fool agree to send away to the forest a person who has all
    through been carrying out his will?” (Ayothia Kandam, 53rd Chapter)
    5. Mr. C.R. Sreenivasa Iyengar’s translation of Valmiki Ramayana says:
    “Though Rama had married Sita to be the queen, he married many other
    wives for sexual pleasure in accordance with the royal customs (Ayothia
    Kandam 8”’ Chapter, Page 28). The term “Rama’s wives” has been used
    many places in Ramayana.
    6. Rama accused Kaikeyi as a WICKED WOMEN. (Chapters 31 and 53, Ayothia
    7. Again Rama accused her that “Kaikeyi would ill-treat my mother” (Ayothia
    Kanda, 31 and 53 chapters)
    8. In the forest he told Lakshmana, “as our father has grown old and infirm
    and as we have also come to the forest. Bharatha with his wife will be
    ruling over Ayothis joyfully without any opposition. (Ayothia Kandarn,
    53rd chapter)”. This brings to light his innate baseness, jealousy and
    ambition to capture the throne.
    9. Rama called his father “a FOOL, an IDIOT” (Ayothia Kandam, 53rd
    10. “If I am enraged I can myself crush all my enemies and become the king.
    But I desist from taking this course for he fear that I will be scorned at by
    the people at large” thus Rama showed his disregard for justice and
    truthfulness (Ayothia Kandam, 53rd Chapter)
    II. Baratha hearing the news of Rama’s banishment went to the forest to
    take him back to the country. On seeing Baratha, Rama questioned him.
    “0 Baratha, are you chased away y the citizens? Have you come here out
    of your unwillingness to help our father?” “Now your mother’s desire are
    accomplished, is she happy?” Thus Rama further asked Baratha.
    (AYOTHIA KANDAM, Chapter 100).
    12. Baratha assured God Rama that he gave up his claim to the throne. Then
    only God Rama disclosed to Baratha the secret that Dasaratha had already
    kingdom to Baratha’s mother, Kaikeyi (Chapter 107, Ayothia Kandam).
    The noble man Baratha returned with the shoe and pinned it on the
    throne and he was making throw him self into fire. Such an upright and
    good person was SUSPECTED by God Rarna.
    One page is missing here
    Note: This Rama who mercilessly took away the life of sambuka for no other fault
    than that he was making penance is held as the Avatar (Incarnation) of Vishnu! If there
    were kings, like Rama now alas! What would be the plight of those who are called
    23. The bow that was broken by Rama was Sita’s. This bow was already a
    broken one. (Refer Abidhana Chintamani Paged
    157,331,57l,663,894,1151,1173 and 1494).
    24. This is supported by various Ramayanas and Prasumm
    25. Look at his age when he broke the bow. When God Rama broke this bow,
    according to his mother, he was then 5 years old, according to his father,
    he was about 10. According to his wife (Sita) his age was 12. Whatever it
    might be but it was already a broken is true according to the story.
    26. God Rama narrated his own brother (Lakshman) how he enjoyed his wife
    Sita (Kisikinda kandam — Chapter 1 Pages 2,4,5,6 & 7). (For deeney’s
    sake, we didn’t elaborate these chapters).
    27. God Rama asked, “Sita! How could Ravana have left you (during these 12
    years) without being seduced?
    Sita replied. “True! But what could 1 do? 1 am only a weaker sex. My body
    was in RAVANA’s possession. I did not do anything wrong WILLINGLY.
    However, mentally I was with you. It was only divine will” But she did not
    assert herself that “Ravana has not seduced me”. (Uttara Kandam, Chapter
    28. Seeing her pregnancy Rama’s doubt increased. Raina asked her to
    plunge herself into the fire and come out to prove her chastity. Even
    though Sita had under gone this trial prescribed by Rama, yet Raina
    found out Sita’s pregnancy. Rama took shelter under the charge made by
    the citizen and ordered his brother Lakshman to take Sita to the forest
    and leave her there. Then Sita showing her abdomen to Lakshmana said,
    “See my stomach! My pregnancy is four months old” (Uttara Kandam,
    Chapter 118)
    Even though Sita plunged herself into the fire, God Rama didn’t believe her chastity
    and abandoned her in the forest. If God Rama’s suspicion is correct, she should be
    burnt in the fire. ButRamayana says that she came out of fire without any burning.
    Even after the plunging into the fire, God Rama was suspicious on sita!
    In the forest she gave birth to two children
    (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 66)
    When length Rama asked Sita to swear, she declined and died (Uttara Kandam,
    Chapter 97)
    I. Her birth is doubtful and questionable (Ayothia Kandarn Chapter 66)
    2. She was older than Rama
    3. She says “I was found out from the dust and by that fact my parentage
    not being known, none did come forward to woe me for many days even
    after I attained maturity.
    4. Sita told Rama “You are no better than a woman monger who lets his wife
    for hire and makes his livelihood. You want to be profited by my
    PROSTITUTION”. Sita also told Rama “You lack impotence manners and
    charm”. “She called her husband a “simpleton”.
    5. Sita having scented that Rama was always suspicious of her conduct
    exclaimed “Rama! You are my savior! In none but yourself I repose my
    love. This many a time I swear by you; yet you do not believe me!
    6. Rama said “I tested you” (6,7,8,9,10 & 11 Ayothia Kandam, Chapter 30)
    7. Rama having in mind her pompousness and fragility of mind directed her
    that she should strip off all her ornaments if she were to accompany him
    the forest. Sita did accordingly but again she put on some other jewels
    without the knowledge of Rama (Ayothia Kanda, Chapter 30)
    8. Kausalya who was noticing this advised Sita “to behave like a bobble and
    virtuous lady. Do not disregarded your husband’s worth”. Sita insolently
    replied to her mother-in-law, “I know all this”. Yet she did not remove
    her jewels (Ayothia Kandarn, Chapter 37).
    9. She prayed to the river while crossing it —“Oh! River! If I return safely to
    ayothia I will offer you a thousand cows and a thousand pots of toddy”.
    (Ayothia Kandam, Chapter 52).
    10. Whenever Rama was languishing in the disappearance of Sita, Lakshrnana

    • anybody can write a one sided view. that is what the author of this book also did. this is the kind of stuff one should expect from a leftist or a secularist who is willing to lick the ass of missionaries.

    • @steve(pseudonim)

      the above are not the new things we are hearing.this fabrications and ilusions worked out from the time of MAXMULLER passed through DD COSAMBI,RAJAS and PANICKERS of communist parties
      all this are already obstucted by strong proof by various religious leaders of india
      go the sites of swami chidanadapuri in example
      so this type of old DAL dont try to cook.bring some new one

      this people a 5 years before thought QURAN was un challengeble
      now the entire world is challenging the quran and its hadiths even an eight standerd pupil reject and refuse the liogics behind the book

      so they have to survive ,for surving dont be and scavenger like HYENNA?

    • the word “shudra” means “a person who has committed sin”
      thats the reason why these texts assert shudra as the servers because if any one has committed a sin to any one, then he is condemned to serve to the people whom he committed the sin…
      over generations, the meaning of the verses of the vedic texts were misinterpreted and used for the own advantages by the so called “high castes” (who thought of their own wellbeing), just like the zakir naik uses the quotes from here and there from the vedas for his own advantage……….
      the rest i will answer you later after a detail study ……..

    • @steve
      In the list of leaders of fanatic hindu groups, you forgot to mention my name? I am the biggest fanatic. how can yu forget me?

  73. Bhavabhuti in his Mahaviracharita gives a clear vivid evidence
    of purda. When Rama sees Parasurama coming towards him, he
    directs his consort Sita, `Dear one, he is our elder,
    therefore turn aside and veil yourself’ [ Mvir.Ch. Act II,
    p.71 ] [ 1200, p.70 ]
    The Kalibhana grant also tells us that the women of the royal
    household observed purda in Orissa [ 1200, p.70 ] [ In.H.Qu.
    XX (1944) p.242 ]
    Vachaspati tells us that women of good families did not come
    without a veil in public [ Vach. ] [ 1200, p.70 ].
    Some women were so much devoted to their husbands that they
    would not even look at the Sun regarding him as a parapurusa.
    If the servants were found seeing the faces of queens, they
    feared punishment. [ Sis. XII.20.17 ] [ 1200 p.70 ].
    The free mixing of men and women was considered bad in
    Sriharsha’s works [ Nais.Ch. XV.3 ] [ 1200, p.70 ].
    `Harsha’s [1099-1101 ] [Lohara dynasty] coins [depict] a half
    cross-legged goddess [and ] a veil appears on the head ‘ — [

    From “Veiling of Women in The Brahmanic Religion”
    by Thanabalu Kalimuthu, courtesy Prof. D.N. Jha

    Mukul Dube
    D-504 Purvasha Anand Lok .. Mayur Vihar 1

    • @steve

      Good one steve. So, now when you had nothing to say on islam and as to why zakir copy-pasted from a qadiyani book, You are now copy-pasting from D. N Jha’s book. Thanks for exposing this communist pervert – D.N.Jha. This (commmunist) historian has done nothing but copy-pasted from western indologists work, be it the aryan invasion theory or regarding the idiotic translations to prove beef in the vedas..
      Good Steve! Thanks for exposing them

  74. Narayana Guru challenged Brahmins & launched Kerala social revolution
    Revolution begins when a set of people who are socially, politically and economically oppressed and exploited get themselves enlightened for their own emancipation. Such a movement should be able to change the existing social order and create a new world. Fundamental social changes always come from the decision of the oppressed. Such a change came from Kerala under the leadership of Ezhavas. The Ezhavas along with other communities shared the same cultural identity until the emergence of Brahminism around the 8th century AD. This was facilitated by Budhism that prevailed in Kerala for about 1,200 years. The extermination of Budhism by the Brahmins under the leadership of Adi Sankara ushered in a new era of tyrannical rule and Kerala became a “lunatic asylum” (as called by Vivekananda). The historical background of the Brahminical revival under Sankara’s leadership was that of inhuman cultural torture of the Budhists. In Sudraka’s Mrichakhadiva, we get the description of treating the Budhists as bullocks by passing a nose string through their noses and yoking them to the cart. The Keralopathi documents the extermination of Budhists by Sankara. Vivekananda says:
    “And such was the heart of Sankara that he burnt to death lots of Budhist monks by defeating them in argument. What can you call such an action on Sankara’s part except fanaticism?”
    The story of Parasuram’s axe and Sankara’s Digvijaya were the root cause of the extirpation of Budhism from Kerala. Those kings and their associates who identified themselves with the Brahmins became Kshatriyas and Nairs. Those who refused became outcasts. Among these groups Ezhavas held a unique position. Unlike the other outcastes, they were a land-holding group and they held the highest social status among the outcastes. Historically, the Ezhavas held to the Budhist traditions such as learning Sanskrit, practising Ayur Vidya medicine, taking tolerant attitude towards other ethnic groups, and rational thinking. The establishment of Brahminism brought structural changes in the economic system, mainly affecting land tenure and management of temples. The land was divided into Brahmaswams and Dewaswams and thus brought under the Brahmin-Nair ownership. The Ezhavas were the worst affected as their chief occupation was farming. They were largely left to tend the coconuts on the land, and even then, a large number of them became tenants of the upper castes. When access to land became more difficult, some Ezhavas turned to toddy-tapping and handicrafts for survival. The position of the Ezhavas as a deprived class, their Budhist heritage, their numerical strength and their position between the upper and lower stratas of the society made them the vanguards of social revolution under Sree Narayana Guru, the revolutionary saint.
    The politics of the revolution envisaged by the Guru was unique and significant. While the spiritual leadership of Sankara was based on anti-human thoughts, Narayana Guru invoked his own spiritual philosophy to counter it. Sankara wanted to encourage and enforce Brahmin hegemony purely on caste-based exploitation of the masses, which Narayana Guru with his silent revolutionary methods fought and succeeded.
    The Guru used spirituality to fight spirituality.
    The part played by the medieval feudal literary works to streamline obeisance to Brahminism was decisive. The duty of literature to society was to carry out this objective and nothing else. Ezhuthachan’s Adhyatma Ramayanam, Cherussery’s Krishnagadha and the sensual literature of scholars like the Venmony poets are examples in this respect. Whereas what we see in Narayana Guru’s literary works is just the opposite of the above feudal literature.
    In fact, progressive movements in Malayalam literature originated from Narayana Guru which also reflected in poet Kumaran Asan’s clear-cut admonitions of the society.
    The Guru’s social revolution includes literature to counter literature just like spirituality to fight spirituality.
    S.N.D.P. YOGAM
    The medieval feudal society in Kerala was caste centered. Human beings were divided into upper castes and lower castes and they were ruled on the basis of religious belief and submission to the Brahmins. Elementary human rights were denied to the lower caste people. Such was the politics of the Brahminical social order of the day. It was to fight this political tyranny that the Guru advocated the downtrodden masses to be free through education and be strong through organisation. This was achieved through the establishment of the SNDP Yogam (Sree Narayana Dharma Paripalana Yogam). The historic social reform movements and the political agitations led by the Yogam paved the way for a new political order which enabled the depressed classes to share power with the ruling class.
    Ezhava leaders like Dr. Palpu, Kumaran Asan, T.K. Madhavan, C. Kesavan, Sahodharan Ayyappan, C.V. Kunjuraman, and the leaders of other communities like Ayyankali and Pandit Karuppan were the stalwarts of these political agitations.
    The liberation movement of Narayana Guru started in the year 1888 at Aruvippuram, near Thiruvananthapupram, with the revolutionary act of consecrating a Sivalingam (the phallus). A non-Brahmin, a so-called Untouchable, consecrating the Sivalingam was a bold revolutionary deed. This premeditated challenge to the Brahmin privilege produced far-reaching consequences. Till then, the Brahmin priests were claimed to be direct representatives of gods on earth.
    He built several temples and caused many existing ones to be remodelled. In one temple, a lighted lamp was installed. In another, the mirror was the idol. All his idol installations were against the Brahminical rules and vedic rituals. Being an Advaitavadi, his idol installations were a bold step to break the idols. In other words, the icons he installed made him an iconoclast. No doubt he destroyed the icons of many an old belief and rotten tradition.
    The Guru correctly understood that the Brahmin hegemony should be destroyed along with the caste system and then only could the actual revolution be realised in the Indian context. He believed that the caste system was pure human rights violation. Basic amenities like food, clothes, housing, and education were all denied to a vast majority of the masses on account of caste inhibitions. Even decent words of the language were not allowed to be pronounced by the low caste people. He also realised that the caste rules had a theoretical base sanctioned by Hindu “holy scriptures”. Hence his attacks on the caste system aimed at two things. (1) On the one hand, his aim was to blow up the theoretical basis of the caste system, and on the other (2) to organise a people’s war against the existing socio-political order.
    The first he accomplished through his literary works and the consecration of the idol, and the second through education and enlightenment. The Guru’s famous dictum, “Ask not, say not, think not of caste” was a direct ultimatum to the custodians of casteism. The declaration as well as his message, “One caste, one religion and one god for man”, were danger signals for the Hindu orthodoxy and the Brahminical Social Order. Thus he denounced the theory of the caste system heralded by the Bhaghavad Gita and propounded by Sankara.
    He advised the people to build educational institutions adjacent to the temples. It is significant to note that in due course, he discouraged the construction of more and more temples and the consecration of idols.
    To him temples and idols were tools for bringing together the down-trodden masses, leading them to the path of liberation. He even went to the extent of asking, “What is the use of these temples which are filled with darkness and the foul smell of bats?” Such was the rational thinking he discharged and propagated through his disciples. As a great humanist, he proclaimed”. “To help neighbourhood to thrive, the wise man strives hard”. Such messages enlightened the masses and made them strive for bettering themselves.
    Not only literacy and enlightenement but agriculture, commerce, industrial training, science and technology, were on the agenda of the Guru’s scheme of education. He insisted on people to reorganise the traditional trade and commerce on a scientific basis. He preached economic discipline and warned against wasteful expenditure. Thus we see in the Guru a Sanyasin tradition based on a harmonious blending of spiritualism with enlightened materialism, a coexistence of Dharma of the Orient with the science and humanism of the Occident.
    The crux of his philosophy was the evolvement of the social potency of the self. Non-dualism (Advaita) conceives of the ultimate identification of the Jeevatma with the Paramatma. The Guru also accepted Advaita but he bestowed more thought on the Atma or self. Its full-blown efflorescence admits of two vital possibilities. One is the perfection of the individual self. The other is the impact this perfection is capable of causing in others, in the society at large. This is, in short, the social potency of the self. In other words, the social implication of an individual’s being and becoming. In Hinduism, under the Brahminical Social Order, a calculated attempt was made to keep spiritual and material goals apart. To the priestly class, it was a lucrative source of economic exploitation.
    The Guru bridged this gap. By holding together the twin capabilities of the self, he proved the complementary nature of man’s individual and social urges. This philosophy of the Guru may be termed Atmadarsanam. The Guru’s famous philosophical poem, “Atmopadesa Satakam” (one hundred verses of self-instruction), clearly elucidates his Atmadarsnam. Another poem, Darsanamala (garland of vision), covers the same aspect from a different angle. The two together form his philosophic edifice.
    The revolutionary spirit instilled by the Guru, in the first instance electrified the Ezhava community, the community which produced the great Guru. Gradually, it attracted other communities and brought about a total revolution. Following his footsteps, every community started purging the foul customs and practices. When the spark kindled fell upon other communities, it produced reformers, revolutionaries and institutions.
    In the Pulaya (Untouchable) community, it appeared in the form of Ayyankali and his Sadhujana Paripalana Yogam while in the Araya community it came into being through Pandit Karuppan and his Araya Vamsodharani Sabha. In the Nair community, through Mannath Padmanabham and his Nair Service Society, and in the Namboothiri community through V.T. Bhattathiripad and Yogakshema Sabha.
    Nowhere in India so vast and great a revolution has occurred. That is why Sri Narayana Guru remains as he silver star of the Indian revolution.
    That this revolutionary movement was confined within the bounds of Kerala on account of the special and peculiar needs of this State, made it almost an indoor affair.
    But judging from the impact it produced on the people, this great historical process has revolutionised the life of a large number of people than the combined forces of Brahmo Samaj, Arya Samaj, Prathana Samaj and other organsiations could effect on the people all over India.
    Kerala, called the “god’s own country”, has become the devil’s dungeon despite the red-hot marxist rule. In our article, “How to liberate Kerala from upper caste imperialism?” (DV Feb.1, 2007 p.8), we said Kerala is today ruled by a micro-minority of three small communities — Brahmin, Nair and Syrian Christian — comprising a mere 17% of the state population.
    We also said these three communities were made rulers of the state by a counter-revolution led by a great Brahmin leader, E.M.S. Namboodiripad, against the powerful revolution led by Sree Narayana Guru.
    In this article, the author, Kerala’s top-most Ezhava (to which Sree Narayana belonged) intellectual speaks of the real revolution. In the next article he will write on the EMS counter-revolution — EDITOR.


    • @Steve

      So much pains taken to cut and paste. wasted so much space. one thing is confirmed. you dont have any first hand knowledge of anything. at the most you can bark like a stray dog. that is what you are doing here by just copying and pasting. this amounts to SPAMMING.

      Its true Sree Narayana Guru challenged brahmins and paved way for the biggest social revolution India had ever seen. He was a practical man. His social revolution is no different from swami dayanand saraswati’s. Sree narayana guru was a staunch advaitavadi. if one reads his works one can understand what he stood for. I am yet to see from where this author got the notion that Sree Narayana Guru criticising Bhagavadgita on caste system. Mis-interpreting Sree Narayana Guru on all occassion is the favorite passtime for – Christians, Muslims, Communist parties, and Congress party. Even some of the so called historians (left leaning) have twisted facts about Sree Narayana Guru. All these are done deliberately to help the christian and muslims because SNDP Yogam as in the recent past has accused the christian and muslim community of fraudulently hijacking government schemes meant for poor hindus with active collaboration of communist and congress parties.

      Upper caste in kerala today do not consist of brahmins. the ruling combine in kerala is favourable to Muslims and Christians. Just take a look at the way these two communities have cornered most of the educational institutions through corrupt practices.

      Atmopadeshashatakam and darshanamala – both these works are in agreement with Vedic view.

      During his life time, Sree Narayana Guru worked for the upliftment of Hindus, especially the downtrodden ones from all communities – irrespective of caste. He never thought of disintegrating the Sanathana Dharma. He never thought it fit to convert the suffering masses to either christianity or islam as he was aware of the bigger rot present in these two religions.

      One of the most celebrated christian missionary of early 1900s, Rev. C.F.Andrews said he “saw god on earth for the first time”, when he met Sree Narayana Guru. He wrote this to his friend, Romain Rolland who was another great admirer of the Guru. What does CF Andrews’s statement point at? Jesus is fake, christianity is just a rotten, parasitic political, communal organization.

      Sree Naryana Guru and ChattambiSwamikal were instrumental in arresting the growth of christianity and islam in kerala. Hindus should be grateful to these two visionaries who had the guts to take on the orthodoxy within the community and lead the masses to truth, that is Sanatan Dharma. They took Vedas to the masses, just as the Rishis of the Vedas did.

      Ezhavas are numerically bigger, but due to their left leaning habit, them have shot in their own leg. Today many writers simply parrot Guru’s words without even knowing in what context he said those. They misinterpret because it gives them a few pennies more into their bank account.

      EMS has NO contribution to kerala other than creating COMMUNALISM. Yes, I said “communalism,” in what way communalism different from communism. by creating malappuram district exclusively for muslims, he laid the foundation for future jehadi and separatist movement in kerala. we are seeing the results of it today.

  75. I just had a look on the verses of Vedas which Zakir Naik told and the translations by Griffith …
    I found that each and every word Zakir Naik told was from the Griffith’s translation…
    So, he is trying to show Islam as superior…It isn’t possible that he doesn’t know the history of India, so he may be thinking that those are the correct translations…
    Griffith’s translations are totally fake…So basically what he does is, pick up those translations from the fake Vedas and convert Hindus to Islam as many as possible…and the fools go and sit there and clap on whatever he says…!!!!

  76. By STEVE, on July 22nd, 2010

    Agniveer’s website is full of hatred and depicts his evil motives of spreading hate. He is brain-washed by day dreaming of 16108 wives as his God Krishna had ( one can visit the article on this topic here http://truthofhinduism.com/general/sexy-historical-stories-of-krishna/ ). Indeed when one reads his articles , any person who has been visiting anti-islamics websites would forthwith come to know that agniveer imitates from those sites, than makes up his own articles & paste them at his website. He of himself can do nothing, he is arrogant, chesty & full of himself.

    When I visited his article The Quran and the Shape of the Earth, he of himself has written nothing there. There is just a link to a article written by a christian missionary Sam Shamoun. So basically Sam is a christian who believes in the bible. Now one may observe that agniveer has several articles against Christianity, if agniveer is against christianity so much than why is he relying on articles written by christians. Those same missionaries have also written articles on women in Hinduism , will agniveer also consent on these articles. Probably no , than why Agniveer is playing double standards here.

    Agniveer has no basic knowledge of Islam and it’s history, he simply learns the basic of Islam from those people who are Islamophobic by Nature. They indeed will write mendacious & untrue things.

    I came across one more article on agniveer which has a photo of a muslim women in burqa who is hanged. I searched the anti-islamic websites, the same photo with same idea of the artilcle was present on a anti-islamic website. Agniveer simply read it and changed the sentences , & wrote a article claiming to be his own. This simply shows his foolishness & idioticness, he can never learn.

    When you will visit these articles : Does the Quran mention the speed of light, Samples of Quranic (koran) Contradictions and Flaws by Syed Kamran Mirza & Refuting Zakir Naik’s claim of Science in Quran you will notice the same foolishness of agniveer. These all articles are written by Christians whom agniveer thinks are authentic & reliable if written against Islam. But if same authors will write against Hinduism, they are wrong & arrogant in the eyes of agniveer. He is posting articles of christians to whom he repudiates, and does not believe in their faith.

    In simple words this is called stupidity & double standards, Agniveer can traverse to any limit to accomplish & execute his evil & dirty motives of spreading hate & detest. He is ignorant in Islamic knowledge who just wants a name on the internet.

  77. Hi,
    My name is Anubha Gaur.

    you said
    “I was shocked to find that Dr Zakir Naik has done NOTHING MORE THAN simply copying-pasting from Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi’s book, ”

    why were you shock,….i have seen his vedios before giving lectures he had already mentioned that it is not his study
    …its fine atleast he is transfering his knowledge..doing noble work for humanity……and above all he always give REFERENCE while delivering his lectures…… bcoze i have alredy done cross checked his REFERENCES….

    you said,
    “he refused to accept that Vedas can be revelations.”

    have you really gone through his vedios…I DOUBT….. bcoze I have seen his vedios were he has clearly mentioned that that VEDAS are WORDS OF GOD…..

    please go thrugh the vedios once again……

    are you against MUSLIMS or against Zakir Naik ?????

    you need not meet him personaly ….bzce you can get your answers just by watching his vedios …

    • Namaste

      1. We were shocked because he has never ever acknowledged that he is taking material word-by-word from a Qadiyani book. He cannot do so because as per his ideology, he cannot claim that Ram/ Krishna etc were also prophets, as Qadiyanis say.

      2. Zakir Naik is a doctor and he should clearly known that if he copy-pastes so significantly from any book, he should acknowledge the author. Or else it is called plagiarism. But if he mentions Qadiyani source, his Al Qaeda group may thrash him.

      3. Zakir in his videos claims to be expert in comparative religion. But he has produced no material except these copy-paste from Qadiyani book in comparative religion. He hardly knows Urdu or Sanskrit, and thus should not claim expertise in comparative religions.

      4. Please refer to his IRF website, He clearly says that he is not sure whether Vedas are revelations or not. Though he proves Muhammad in Vedas, he still says so because both articles had different sources of copy-pasting. If indeed he is convinced that Vedas predict Muhammad, then he should clearly proclaim that Vedas contain revelations and are divine books. But if he does so, it would be against his brand of Islam.

      5. We have watched his videos and are convinced that only semi-literate foolish people can fall in their trap. We are also convinced that he is disgrace in name of humanity, forget about he doing anything good. Reasons are clear:
      – he claims that only Muslims will go to heaven and all others would burn in hell forever.

      – he claims that Muslims should be allowed to build mosques in non-Muslim countries but non-Muslims should be banned from building temple/churches in Muslim countries

      – he supports Osama Bin Laden. He says he doesn’t know if he is actually a terrorist. But he calls America terrorist. Does he have special intelligence report to call America terrorist but not Osama? Why doesnt he adopt same standards for osama and America, even if he hates america.

      – His references are correct but interpretations are wrong and stupid. He deliberately quotes from anti-Hindu books. Similarly he deliberately quotes wrong interpretations from Quran.

      – He justifies polygamy and animal killing on most stupid and false reasons and wrong facts. Refer articles here.

      – Most young terrorists consider him role model.

      – He falsely publicized that he defeated Ravi Shankar in debate. But he refuses to debate Arya Samaj for obvious reasons.

      Its a matter of grief that so-called broadminded Hindus today know nothing about their foundation, and in garb of secularism tend to promote falsehood from outside. Ignorance coupled with inferiority complex is the sure-shot recipe for doom of any society.

      • Agniveer
        Not dream fight with Dr Zakir Naik. He is goodest Islamic scholar and comparitive religion. He is knowing your vedas and puranas more then you fool hindus. HE IS NOT TALK WITH ANY TOM DIC HERI. Fear Allah and stop all this. You not nowing the fire of hell wait for you.

    • Anubha Gaur is a dumb hindu trying to proving of the vedas is best then quran. InshaAllah we muslims not need you kafir to praising Dr Zakir Naik. Not fool people that Vedas are divine. Mashaallah Allah have gives us Quran and Vedas are no divine but crap. And wait some times, time is come when we muslims again overtake you and India becoming Islam Alahamdulillah. Than you will knowing what is veda and what is quran.

      Either convert to islam if you loving Dr Zakir Naik or remain in shit hindu dharam.

      • @Aadil

        looks like u havent read ur Quran, otherwise if u had, u would know the example and the definition of crap. All u musllims know is to take over other countries, but dont think we are still nice as we used to in the past, today, even if u think of taking over india or vedic dharma, we willl destroy u the same way we destroyed ur moghal emperors, and then we will take ur lands and donate them to charity.

      • AADIL YOUR ZAKIR NAIK HAS HIMSELF ADMITTED THE GREATNESS OF VEDAS INDIRECTLY. He said that allah name is in Vedas. One of the names of INDRA AND MOON GOD IS ALA in vedas which can be pronounced as allah. SO ALLAH IS SMALL VEDIC GOD LORD INDRA OR MOON GOD





        He said that allah name is in Vedas. One of the names of INDRA AND MOON GOD IS ALA in vedas which can be pronounced as allah. SO ALLAH IS SMALL VEDIC GOD LORD INDRA OR MOON GOD




      • Your evil intentions are well too known, Aadil, but this time round u will meet with a tougher and determined resistance, so do not expect any cakewalk this time round. By the way, ur quran and hadees are nothing but a compilation of all things brutish and grotesque. So, who are u convincing anyways here? And Anubha, Aadil has rightly described u as a dumb hindu. Zakir Naik has never accepted vedas as the word of God, go through his videos once again. His exact words are, “They may be, but I am not sure.” Please crosscheck once more. And he doing noble for humanity, now u shock me. In what ways, if u could elaborate? He is hellbent on proving that islam is the only way to salvation for the whole of humanity, and he is very cunningly silent on the voices of dissent that have come to fore in the form of Agniveer and FaithFreedom.

      • @adil

        Quote,”And wait some times, time is come when we muslims again overtake you and India becoming Islam Alahamdulillah. Than you will knowing what is veda and what is quran.” Unquote

        Well,,,, well,,, well,,,, now you showed your REAL intention. Then why do yu scream blue murder when we retaliate against muslims in kashmir or gujarat or mumbai? Tell me why shouldnt we hate you and fight back?

        You conna take over INDIA?? A NUCLEAR SUPERPOWER. Oh my god, oh my false god allah, I am laughing my ass out. This is not 16th century, this is 21st century, we are united, we dont believe in turning the other cheek, and we hindus can fight back. Try us coward. HAHAHAHAHA

  78. when a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by the sign that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
    This proverb is dedicated to zakir naik

  79. ardhajal gagri chalkat jaye.
    therefore a shudra ( a small person, who cant think big, for everyone )
    his only hope towards enlightenment is to serve someone who knows more.

    unless the varnas are pure, the shudra will feel ashamed of serving and want things he doesn't deserve.
    vaishya will exploit people in the markets, ksahtriyas will fear his life and wont go for war for his people.
    a ksahtriya puts his life for his people hence he has a higher place. a small person is called small ( kshudra )
    cause he wont do so. why there are sc/st quotas everywhere but not in the army ?

    above all, a learned personm a brahmin who masters his mind, brain should be above all.
    he alone knows the patterns of nature and give us what we want.

    thats the context,
    thank you,

    jai hind, jai bharat

    btw. this war is not between hindus/mulims/jews/chris.
    this war is between the light and no light, ie dark
    therefor surya – sura and asura meaning no light. all light is knowledge
    asuras fakes to be the one as they cant create another. so they lie. out of their ignorance.

    anyone who says OMmm 9 x _ (1, 2, 3, …) times in brahmamuhurta (4 am to 6 am)
    knows what an "infinite beam of light " is. thats what a shivlinga is.
    inside our own spines. the asuras can never take that out. they can never break this temple.
    truth alone has all the powers.

    hari om

  80. i would like to reply jackas, waqas whatever

    first of all its been told several times that caste is not varna.
    but u wont digest that. why will u ?

    that being said,
    i would like to ask a question.
    do u promote sc/st quota system? as in would u like to operated upon by a dr. who doesn't know shit but
    somehow gets the degree ?

    so thats all ur answers there. a brahmin should never be taught by a shudra.
    just like idiots should not be debated with.
    they only bring u down to their level and defeat u their, as ur down to their
    level and they have more practice on that level.

    and to my sanatan dharmi bros i would like to say:
    after the mughal attack and forced conversions, alot of people wanted to convert back to hinduism.
    but shankaracharya didn't agree to it. can u tell me why ?

    if we believe in karmas, we know birth is also decided by that.
    do u really think u can reason people like that?
    their samskaras will stop them their. if u give anyone knowledge. if they dont deserve it they will spit on u for that. thats what manas is. the cosmic mind looks after everything. thats gods security.

    u need not break ur heads on who is saying what.
    gita says: no one is capable of giving pain or pleasure to anyone else. its their own karmas.

    be happy and content and work on yourselves. thats where the focus should be ! ! !

  81. what muslims do not understand is that they are just plain big time LIARS. they quote Hindu scriptures in support of Mo's prophethood and then say these are not revelations of god. atleast humans are not capable of giving such accurate prophecy.

    the reality is that muslims are desperate to hide the vulgarity and criminality which Mo indulged during his life.

    • @Raja

      very well said brother, people like zakir are easily caught with contradictions here. For example, zakir makes up stupid claims saying mohammad in Vedas, and then he says Vedas may not be the word of GOD, I mean, if according to zakir naik, mohammad is accurately described in Vedas, why does he refuse to admit Vedas being divine? See this is an obvious contradiction, people can only laugh at this. The truth Vedas never speak of mohammad and never will because Vedas never prophecize nor they contain history. Another fact is that zakir naik is an idiot.

  82. Muslim fanatics simple test will expose your Koran if Koran is right then the DNA of Jews and Muslims should match because Koran claims that Jews and Muslims come from same father Abraham but they are not same so KORAN IS BIG LIE. Brother the people who gave their daughters and woman's to Mughals have converted to Islam mostly the Pakistanis. Most of the cowards Pakistanis were converted like this only they gave their daughter and mother to Afghans and converted to Islam. When Aurangazeb tried to forcefully convert Hindus his Mughals empire were wiped out from India.

  83. @Waqas

    yes, u are right, what mohammad has done, no one has done for this world and no one will ever do. Mohammad legalized pedophillia and sex slavery. Mohammad created exotic desires in fanatic muslims of getting 72 hookers in heaven and running alcohol…wow, jannat is more like a bar, where u have tanks of alcohol and women dancing left right around u, please waqas grow up and leave this stupid religion and return back to ur true Vedic roots. As I said islam is growing due to child birth not conversion. Conversion rate is much smaller compared to the child birth rate. Waqas, before u end up molesting 5 year old babies after being inspired by ur quran, it will be a good idea to reform.

  84. @Waqas

    Internally means they really dont like it but they have to accept it in order to not violate Quran. Zakir naik has been proven false if u dont bleev me, look below there is a link of sex ratio in usa and other countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by

    brother usa clearly says the ratio is one for ages 15-35

    USA, alone has equal number of males to females than how the hell are there 10 million more females than males? from what census did he get this from? anyways i provided u the link, and u will see zakir is caught red handed. As far as his videos go, look at this one where he said there are more females in other countries beside usa as well, brother, if there are gays out there, dont forget there are lesbians out there too, and lesbians outnumber gays so if i were u i would do research before opening my mouth. Brother, Vedas forbid us to kill innocent animals so how can Vedas tell us to kill young females? All hindus who do such acts are sinners in the eyes of GOD, I agree they are evil for killing girls and i myself dont support them. A female baby is considered a devi (pious status of a woman). These hindus kill their daughters because they are poor and dont have money to raise them or give dowry at time of their marriage. And how about ur asshole pakistani muslims, when girls are 5 years of age, if u guys are poor, u guys sell them off to brothels, where they become future prostitutes. These evil hindus give the girls only one final pain, but u muslims plunge ur daughters into endless journey of pains.

    Now here is the video in which zakir naik lies about populations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx9fkSdo_AU

    • @Waqas

      brother waqas, there is a saying that whenever a thief is caught, he says "i am not the thief", now if cops believed him, today every thief would be roaming around stealling things rather than being behind bars. But cops are smart and they look at evidence to prove whether he is a thief or not. Same thing goes with deedat or naik, they know very well their religion is wrong and just like someone who smokes knows smoking is injurous to health and they remain ignorant, similarly naik wont reject islam instead he is using illogical claims to defend a fake religion like islam. Waqas, tell me, will ur sister or mother like polygamy internally, I know the answer is no but u will still say yess. At the same time, islam has good intentions of helping divorcee women, but what is the need to help these women by marriage? U can consider them as sisters tooo and help them. Later, zakir claims there are more females in theis world, that is why polygamy is allowed. Waqas wot census data did zakir look up that from, from the real census there are more males than females, so should he recommend the reverse now?

      Waqas, I m still telling u, return to the Vedic Dharma, and satify ur ancestors. U dont have arab blood running in ur veins, u have blood of hindus or vedantists. So please reunite ur blood with its root teachings.

    • @Waqas

      Waqas, showing me 15 fakes reciting fake verses from a fake religion, is not going to help u win the debate over me. U failed to refute all my points. If zakir naik enjoys converting common hindus to islam, then let me tell u this, Arya Samaj is known to convert ur leaders like maulanas and molvis to Vedic Dharma. Brother, if ur leaders are rejecting false hood, then u being a follower should accept Vedic Dharma.

  85. @Arya
    you know thats the beauty of our religion, our books that a dumb person like u can read things and think it in hid own way of mind and can change the direction to anything just in order to make it wrong. You say again n again about arya samaj ? what the fuck hey have done for your religion. they did not even have guts to translate into english and publish on internet so people can read easily or may be VIK is right Vedas are not for tom dick and harry(low caste people) its only for Brahamans so better keep this book to your brahmins only. Quran is for the whole humanity and therefor masha Allah its the fastest growing religion even in india too.

    • @Waqas
      you asked me to show the hadith of bathing from same pot together, I gave. Now you have lost completely and have nothing to say, that is why you have started abusing here. I ask you, what Muhammad has done for humanity except legalizing polygamy, sex slavery, pedophilia, bloodshed….

      Anyway, God bless you and may He enlighten our souls with truth.

      • @Arya
        What Muhammad(SAW) has done for this world no has done before neither one will be able to do. for the sake of argument even if i belive they topok bath from the same pot whats the big issue in it. They Were husband and wife. through out this whole debate you have only pointed sex with slaves is your major one. and its just about thinking nothing else. you can not point out a single mistake in Quran +Hadith. and you dont even have courage to put english translation of vedas on net neither that asshole agniveer

  86. @Arya
    I know there is a difference of opinion between different scholars on hazrat Maria(R.A). In Hadith,s it is also not prove that She was not married to Muhammad(SAW). Taking bath from the same pot does not mean intentionally taking bath together.for example, you have a tub at your home and you have a pot to put water on your head and your wife uses the same bath room too means you and and your wife take bath from the same path. Arya you are very good with playing words. Things are written in a different way and you know that by yourself but you intentionally want to take them in an opposite way just to prove Islam is not a religion of God. Bath of Janaba, means bath after doing sex with your wife. Why Muhammad(SAW) explained this to Sahaba s so no 1 can create differences in their minds.Islam is a complete way of living therefor it also discusses the issues of menstruation, sex and other parts of life too so one can lead and live his life according to Islamic way.
    You were sayin Dr Zakir never had a debate in a neutral environment . LOl I THINK U have never seen his debates that he did in USA. Dr Ahmed Deedats Debate. He even challenged that ass hole ali sina to debate him in canada but he refused to debate live. The debate he had with Ravi shankar in Banglore, i think you better check by yourself that how many hindus live in this city and how many muslims live in it. what else kind of neutral environment do you need?? If Ravi shankar was not the best person to speak for vedas why dont u speak against him, why dont you go to public to have an arya samaj to debate with Zakir, Cant u arrange just 10 15thousand people in order to make your 70 crore hindus on the right path? if not i think instead of wasting time here on this web site you should bring your own hindu path on the right path first who are following books which contradicts vedas at all

    • @waqas
      I can undrstand your obsession with sri sri ravishankar!! when you hv nothing to say, you come back to that debate. If you can recall, the topic was to show similarities b/w hinduism & islam. and i have told you this innumerable times. fanatic muslims feel threatened by the popularity of sri sri ravishankar among muslims. and this all dialogue-turned-debate was nothing but to provoke him so that he start pointing faults in islam. and zakir could then go to those semi-literate muslims like you and say that sri sri ravishankr is anti-muslim. unfrotunately, zakir's sinister plan failed !!!
      and when we have come for a debate in real sense then zakir is shrugging his ass off.
      and you always say that why can't we people arrange a big crowd…dude, we challanged him to come to rishi mela in ajmer but….as we know.
      moreover, what is the point in exposing him infront of hindus?? we don't consider a THARKI paedophile as a prophet!! we are sensible enough to judge b/w right and wrong!!! we wan't to expose him in front of muslims!! we shall be more than happy if the debate b/w agniveerji & zakir mian takes place amongst muslims so that muslims can reject this falsehood called quran!!

      and you didn't reply to my query if your parents would arrange for your killing if you decide to leave their house due to a diff. in opinion..as same is the case given in quran vis-a-vis those who leave islam

      • @AMAN
        i think u didnt read the first of my sentence it was meant only for arya ? why r u coming again n again in others debates. Better talk with VIK and praise each other thats it.
        the reason i m not replying to you clearly shows that i dont wanna talk to u. dont you have anything else to do??? by using this kind of language against my religion or Quran what do u want to proof?? just imagine you have a sister or mother at home ? cant i abuse them ? i know you hindus dont have ghairat in you therefor 50 perecent girls are losing their virginity in mumbai when they pass out from school? thats your religion. i can abuse your Vedas and your krishan rama etc too but i wont. you are asking about my parents . i can sacrifice my parents for Islam. I can sacrifice my kids on islam i can sacrifice my brothers and sisters on Islam. got your answer now better stay away from this debate because i am not going to reply u after that

      • @waqas
        There is a beautiful phrase in hindi which is applicable here to you," KHISIYANEE BILLI KHAMBHA NOCHE". lol
        1. Don't bring statistics or else it will be very difficult for you to justify the deeds of ur muslim bretheren!!
        2. Good to know , though late, that you are ready to sacrifice your parents,siblings and children for those 72 prostitutes…Didn't knew that a man's libodo would take him to such a low level!
        3. When you use unconstitutional words its ok and when i reply in the same fashion, you object…..You are a typical disciple of zakir naik..he works on this same theory…muslims should be allowed to worship and build their terror-breeding mosques in secular countries , but the same can't be accorded to non-muslims in muslim countries..afterall allah is ao just..right!

      • then y were u comin again n again to ask me questions? did i ever interact you or did i ever come to ask u any question? it was u who were coming again n again to ask me questions? and were using filthy language against my religion n quran. i m on this site for over couple of months now show me a single phrase where i abused your vedas???? By Using this language you can only hurt one sentiments you can not convince people to choose hinduism. Muslim s main purpose is to spread Islam n mashah Allah Islam is spreading. Its the fastest growing religion and its the religion where people are converting into it the most . Thats it. Thats what we need.

      • i am absolutely in sync with you that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
        1. You breed like cattles, Not like humans.
        2. your strategy of womb to womb infection continues…
        3. you treat women as farms to produce babies..all the respect that islam can accord to women is – sex-slaves, concubines, being one of the multiple wives, producing babies etc etc

        Waqas you are ending up being a very bad looser. Now that Arya has provided you with all the relevent verses which exposes the ills of islam, you all resorting to irrelevent topics…..keep it up..we need people like you on this site so that one can see the real face of islamic followers……

      • @waqas
        Thanks for pointing it out brother. I just forgot to mention the Taqiah methods used by the likes of zakir to decieve innocents and convert them to Islam!!

  87. @VIK
    sorry for the late reply was just busy with my personal things anyway you said Ravi Shnakar is more of a geeta fan and you know things by yourself that Geeta contradicts Vedas. You said Hindusim is about diifferent books and you mentioned mahabharta too in mahabharta it clearly mention of killing animal. i laughed when u differentiate ants with animals. Bro in order to have soul one does not need nervous system or blood. if one thing is alive its alive if one thing is not its not. You animals have soul, if thats true then animals who have good souls should not kill animals but you know about the animals who only eat meet. they cant even have 1 gram of grass or vegetable? wat about them . Vedas are difficult to understand hahaha Why God make such a book which would be difficult to understand for people. ?? forget about the sects of muslims, 100 percent muslims believe in the authenticity of Quran and more than 80 percent in book of Hadiths ? i think only 5 to 10 percent Hindus know about Vedas and other are following garbage like Purana Missmurirti Ramayan and Mahabhartha and geeta. If your arya samaj are true scholars of Vedas, why are not they spreading it.
    having a conversation between you and aman does not make you right. You and him believe in the same ideology. If that Dumb ass did not know about the format of debate why did he ask Zakir to speak first since he knew that Dr Zakir always speak at 2nd.

    • @Waqas

      welcome back Waqas, good to see you back in this debate. Puranas, Ramayan, Mahabharat, all have been corrupted or adulterated. Only Vedas are still pure and unchanged. Now the rest of the books, its a mixture, Luckily many good scholars were able to separate the interpolations from the good interpretations so that is why we have some book versions out there which are good to read and are truthful. NOw, people like u or zakir have read the wrong ones and they criticize hinduism. Now, it doesnt matter, the reall scriptures for hindus that they must perform their deeds according to are Vedas. Vedas no where states that meat eating is allowed. Even ramayan doesnt have such nonsence im talking about the true version.

      Vedas are for professionals ok not some Tom Dick or Harry. That is why people who dont understand they have to rely on brahmins, otherwise, once they start to understand they will interpret Vedas correctly themselves.

      Brother, ur quran contains full loads of garbage and yet u follow it. U know and I know, wot kind of sick deeds ur prophet has done yet u follow him. We hindus no need to follow any human like mohammad all we follow is GOD and to attain bliss from him. Brother go read the quran urself, u will see childish things like allah sits on the throne, allah has two hands (I thought he was formless right?), etc. Allah allows sex slavess and 72 virgins in heaven. Brother do u have answers for all this?

      • @VIK
        see today you proved it by yourself that you do have caste system in your religion. Vedas are not for tom dick and harry its only Brahmins LOL . means every hindu is tom dick and harry only Brahmins are superior . I dont think there is anything left in this debate now. Good bye VIK

      • @amanvik
        1.first have that much strength in your circumcised dick to debate with your real name…oops Taqiah!!
        2. its beyond your comprehension what does the word brahmin means. but for others who are following this thread , i wud refer them to go to the page, There is No Caste-System in Vedas, instead of writing and explaining it again and again..coz' everybody is not like those semi-literate followers of zakir

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, ur intention of running away from me proves that u lost to me in this debate. There is no caste system in Vedas. Shudra simply means an illiterate and when he starts to study, he can become a brahmin as well. Vedas are for everyone, but it needs motivated readers. Ur quran was written in a childish language that is why even babies can recite it like parrots, but sadly they dont know the meanings of those verses in their. Sadly, at the age of 6 u guys make ur kids recite a stupid book which contains references to sex slaves and 72 hookers in heaven. How will u relpy to ur child when he askes about sex slaves????

        Quran……………….revealation……………hahahah grow up muslims please grow up

      • instead of banging ur head……y dont u ask zakir naik to agree for debate with mahindra pal arya……….then we can talk…….if zakir naik is the best……we will see that in debate……simple is that…..

        y ur wasting time of ur and others……

  88. When Islam was reveled to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves.

    In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.

    Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-a-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand possess” or “ma malakat aymanukum”; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves.

    Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims.

    But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free.

    Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.

    In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.

    But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.

    Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago.

    As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.” (An-Nisaa’: 25)

    This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves.

    In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war"

    • @muslim
      I challenge you to show any verse from Quran which forbids muslims to keep slaves. Slavery has been removed because of the efforts of noble people of all religions and not because of doctrines of islam. muhammad himself kept many sex slaves it means islam justifies slavery. He should have opposed this shameful custom as he was prophet but instead of doing so, he enjoyed it. It proves that muhammad was not a prophet, Quran is not from God, and islam is not for the humanity.
      I invite you to Vedic Dharm in which every one has right to meet God through Yog without any mediator.

    • @GHGH

      it doesnt matter how nicely a master treats his female slave, but still having sex with a woman other than your wife shows immorality of a character. This way I can say, suppose you are the caretaker of your entire family including your sisters, mother, and aunts. Will it be right to have sexual relations for your cousins and aunts, even though they are under your property? Islam is pure insanity if it in any way tries to justify slavery. In Vedic Dharma, every woman is suppose to respected as a mother or sister except your wife. See, thats the beauty of the Vedic Dharma, go ask your mother, your sisters, your aunts, and all other females in your family, and give them a choice, which religion would they choose to follow, a religion like islam that may target them as sex slaves, or a pious noble religion like Vedic Dharma/Hinduism where they will be highly respected as mothers and sisters.

      Sad part is even fanatic muslim girls who follow zakir bhai mbbs, find female sex slavery applicable and noble.

      I would recommend that you reject trash like quran and accept the real noble Vedic Dharma that your ancestors were following.

  89. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_camel's_urine_make_you_healthy_and_beautiful
    for Everyone esply for Waqas bhai… regarding the questions raised by our Brothers of Arya Samaaj ( after I read some of your comments and ur blog above ) there are certian thing which we (humna) thinks that are useless here m refering to the few questions raised by you and your friends, things which we can do, but does not seems to be logic. here I can tell you that Human brains cannot think very far or very logical or think what was the reason behind what is been told by Almighty so its better think, think again and again before u conclude anything… I like the research you have done on Quran & Hadith its great but I may only request you to open ur eyes and see the beauty of it.. other wise you will be ther person/people who will regret it at the END.

    • @syed
      brother ask Rehana about the beauty of islam, whose husband was killed in Bani Qureza massacre and who, after seeing her husband beheading, was proposed by the prophet (best man ever born according to many muslims) for marriage and taken away as sex slave when refused to become his wife. There are many more examples which I can give to show beauty of islam.
      Brother, better you come to the Vedic Dharma which is the only religion in true sense. Vedic Eeshvar does not wait for any END to give justice, in fact He is continuously doing so.

    • @syed
      1. Brother, i went thru the link, but strangely it never says that camel's urine is useful and as far as that research paper by Dr. Jassam is concerned , medical science doesn't believe in one-off research paper !
      2. The research given here reminds me of the research cited by Dr. Zakir Naik of that farmer in USA!!!
      3.Strangely,It also expose the contradictory nature of quran!!
      4.Why do you undermine yourself, by saying that human mind can't think that far? If those semi-literate mullahs can read and interpret quran, why can't you ????
      5. It seems that you are in quest of truth but still a bit bugged by that syndrome, when you write that it will be us who will regret in the END !!!

  90. @Waqas
    brother, do you know the history related to Quran 66:3-5, hadith-Bukhari, vol3,book-43:648? Just go to any aalim and ask him about it, you would know who was Maria. She was mother of muhammad's son is true but it does not prove maria as his wife.
    Brother I dont know about Arabs but in our culture (both India and Pakistan), mothers take care of the issues like menstruation, and as time progresses, one knows more and more about these. But brother think of some hadith regarding taking bathe from the single pot and that too witnessed by others, bath of janaba, doing sex with slave girl in the absence of wife(you would know more when you consult an aalim about above references), and many more such things. What good these hadith teach even to an adult?

    Videos-why did not you see the videos? you were desperately asking for those! See those videos again and see yourself almost half the people were muslims. By the way have you seen any debate of Zakir in a "neutral environment"? You have again come to 70 crores of hindus. Do you follow crowd or ideology? Brother, Vedas talk of only one God some of whose properties are-
    "God is existent, intelligent and blissful. He is formless, omniscient, just, merciful, unborn, endless, unchangeable, beginning-less, unequalled, the support of all, the master of all, omnipresent, immanent, un-aging, immortal, fearless, eternal and holy, and the maker of all. He alone is worthy of being worshiped."
    This is the second principle of Arya Samaj based on Vedas. You compare Quranic Allah with the above Eeshvar and know yourself who is the real God. I again invite you to your original Dharm of Vedas which your ancestors were proud of.

  91. Hinduism is not a uniform religion as the other religions, viz. Islam, Christianity, etc., are. Hinduism is an amalgamation of ideas and thoughts accumulated over thousands of years. We believe that the universal element cannot be limited to just one book, in fact in some stotras it is clearly mentioned that the limitless can never be limited. Every rishi (seer) gave his understanding of the unlimited entity and like in the ocean there are innumerable waves emanating from the same ocean but no single wave is an identical copy of the other, likewise every enlightened person's understanding of the divine is different. So, to an outsider it seems very perplexing and even to some hindus as well. Ekam sat viprah bahudaa vadanti, Truth is one, the intelligent describe it in different ways. Ur allah is a limited entity and therefore for u the truth is limited to just 1 book and 1 prophet, our kalma as rightly stated by Swami Agnivesh is la ilaha illallah zarra zarra (every animate, inaminate object) rasulullah.

  92. @VIK
    the qualities that you are mentioning in animals and human beings can not differentiate one living thing with another. there are plants who eat insects and you knwo about them too. insects have blood and when they eat that it gets digested according to their nervous system. only blood and bones can not make a difference between a living creature . there are lot of insects which do not have bones at all. ant, bee etc. do you know how a fly is born, ???when you have nothin else to say you started barking about debate and Eid. did i ever abuse your vedas or any of your religious festival? i did abuse your PIGS arya samaj and you do with zakir . why crossing your limits?? any how as far as that Hijra ravi shankar is concern he has been given a title of biggest spirtual leader of India why not any of your pig arya samaj?the debate he came for was about Quran n vedas it was not about quran + geeta. if he was not the right person to speak about Vedas ? why dont you condemn him ? you condemn zakir becoz according to you he is giving wrong comments about Vedas why dont you condemn that Hijra then? dont you have balls to speak against your own person??? in that debate it clearly states that Zakir won that debate and vedas lost to Quran but if he was not the right guy to speak about Vedas then i would say the guy who debated with your PIG arya samaj was not the right guy to speak about Quran and vedas. 70 crore hindus cant even arrange 10 thousand people to debate with Zakir? are not you ashamed of your nation???

    • @Waqas

      Brother, I dont eat ants nor I eat carnivorous plants. I agree ants are living, but do u see anyone eating them. My comparison is for plants like apples and animals like chickens and cows u eat. Cows and sheeps are just like humans they posses red blood and bones. But show me an anatomy of a single plant that has a neverous system, its funny u say that……….if they have no blood,,,,,how can they have a nevvouse system?

      As far as Ravi Shankar goes, the debate was not about Vedas vs Quran, otherwise we would definitely pick an arya samaji to debate on behalf of Vedas.

      The debate was about concept of GOD in Hinduism and Islam. Now Waqas, HInduism does not equal Vedas. Hinduism as a religion is a product of Veds + Upanishads + Puranas + Ramayan + MahaBharat + Geeta. Basically Hinduism is not a one book based today. Yes, the most supreme scriptures are the Vedas, but many people are unaware of its teachings, that is why u see fake things like caste system. A common hindu today only limites himself to Puranas and Geeta, the problem with Vedas are they are too difficult to understand, so that is why they only use some verses in festivals for Vedas. So when u think of Hinduism, it also involves other books too besides Vedas, but Ravi Shankar was more of a Geeta fan.

      And for ur kind info, it was ur zakir that begged Shanker for a debate, not the other way around. And it wasnt even a debate to start off with, Shankar thought they would talk about the commonalities of both religions and their experiences. But ur asswipe zakir bhai mbbs, turned it into a debate.

      But the whole world knows only Arya Samaj are Vedic hindus that dont read any books except Vedas, so next time if u need a Vedic representative, go to an Arya Samaji.

      Besides, do u ever hear the word Vedas associated with Ravi Shankar? He is a spiritual yoga person known for art of living, so asking him to defend the Vedas is like asking a muslim to speak behalf of the quran……………ILLOGICAL brother?

      But ur Abdullah Tariq was an ISLAMIC scholar, so wot do u have to say about that?

    • @waqas
      You have been told innumerable times that it was never a debate in the very first place! it was only a dialogue so as to promote peace b/w hindus & muslims. Sri Sri Ravishankar only tried to make muslims more tolerant of others' faith,by showing them the similarities but you people simply don't understand the language of peace. And as far as that book is concerned Sri Sri Ravishankar withdrew it coz' he realized that it was no point teaching those semi-literates who instead of applying their brain, follow a blind cult which treats women as mere sex-objects.
      And come on waqas, even an illeterate person knows the deeds of your Rangeela Rasool !!!!! Sri Sri Ravishankar could have easily said that but he is not the kind of person who would elevate the status of non-entities like like zakir nayak, by debating with a fool whose knowledge is limited to sura no….page no…blah blah blah..
      But then we realized that if we don't contain this Fool, he would mislead more & more people with his nonsense, as is evident from your & Maria's case !!!! So all this debate & all stuff…
      Problem with you muslims is that when you people throw mud on others' faith you enjoy and when we become aggressive you people start crying!!!
      Waqas, do you know why Deoband Seminary issued fatwa on Zakir Nayak?? They were afraid that if hindus start finding anomalies in your quran, you people would simply have no answers!!! as there is no justification to sex-slavery & polygamy !!!
      by the way, am still waiting for your reply regarding god as a marketing head & wheather you parents would hire for your killing if you decide to leave their household, as per the tenets of islam!!

      • @ waqas
        Moreover the so-called debate was just a trap laid for Sri Sri Ravishankar .Muslims are afraid of the popularity of Art of Living. His organization is expanding like anything !! Art of living is spread in 154 countries including your Napak-istan. Every other day we see heads of muslim countries inviting Sri Sri Ravishankar!! just google what art of living has done in countries like iraq & palistine…
        Fanatic muslims like zakir nayak became threatened by his popularity among st Muslims and so did a Taqiah with Him.. tried Zakir Nayak tried his level best to provoke him, but He is too centred to be provoked by these scholars of sura no. ..page no…

    • @WAQAS

      Besides, do u ever hear the word Vedas associated with Ravi Shankar? He is a spiritual yoga person known for art of living, so asking him to defend the Vedas is like asking a christian to speak behalf of the quran……………ILLOGICAL brother?

      But ur Abdullah Tariq was an ISLAMIC scholar and he was speaking on behalf of the QURAN, so wot do u have to say about that?

      Brother, zakir bhai mbbs, has never come across Vedic expert or an arya samaji otherwise do u think zakir will have the guts to speak about Vedas infront of him.

      As far as Ravi Shankar goes, we dont need anyone like him to defend us, Ishwar has given us power to defend the Vedas ourselves, and that is what I am doing. Now, I am not famous like ur zakir bhai mbbs who can gather 10 000 people, otherwise I would do that and be the first to debate him.

      Besides, whats the guarantee that if we gather 10 000 people, he will debate us? Knowing infact how cunning he is, he might find a way to escape, since he knows what happened to Abdullah Tariq who is his scholar for PEACE TV.

      Besides, the whole world knows Ravi Shankar is not a debater, the biggest proof of that was in the video itself, when he was asked to speak for 1 hour, but he only spoke for 30 mins. So my question, to u is Waqas, why did zakir choose to debate someone who can hardly talk?

      Besides, have u ever seen zakir naik giving explanations on verses from Vedas? He simply speaks out like a parrot book number bla bla verse number bla bla……………………

      • @Aman

        yes, I agree we really cant repair these fools, in arguments, but the sad part is many of our hindus acknowledge their stupidity. I agree Ravi Shankar is a good person, I mean people like zakir are nothing compared to him. Ravi Shankar cured people by yoga, what did zakir doo? except barking like a parrot and misleading people. The funny thing is even muslims hate him, now what can u expect from a leader whose followers declared him a kafir?

        The funny thing is, zakir naik refuses to agree that talibans that rape and kill pakistanis everyday are terrorists just because he has not seen any proof.

        Aman, I ask u, if talibanis come on the tv and threaten the world to kill innocent people and openly rape women, how is that NOT proof?

        What does proof mean to zakir bhai MBBS? Does he expect Talibanis to come over to his house to dinnner and make them say in his ear, "hey zakir, were are terrorists, is that good enuff for a proof", then zakir says "no brother, I want proof" talibanis say "ok," they shoot his wife. Then they say again "is that proof good enuff?", zakir says "no brother, I want proof"

        then Talibanis cut zakirs fingers off and zakir yells out "brother, I beleive u, stop, its a sin to kill a muslim brother, quran says in surah 9 verse 47 , find kafirs and kill them, not meeeeeeeee"

        see thats the mentality of zakir naik

        MARIA WAQAS………………..please wake up

      • @vik
        Infact, Agniveerji has left no scope for discussions, by attaching everything with proof, in all his posts vis-a-vis Parrot Nayak, but as the saying goes ," Monkeys Don't Need Ladder To Climb".

      • @Aman

        See, we give proofs of every arguments, we dont bullshit things like these people, lying is authenticated in their religion. Taqiah means lying for the benefit of islam, and thats what these people do. I mean why would someone kill someone just for leaving islam, I mean a person should only be killed if he takes the life of another human or animal, but if someone leaves islam, they get a capital punishment. Another stupid islamic law is that if two men are gay, they get executed………….Thank GOD we dont have this stupid sharia law in india……….. But I am shocked girls like Maria are happy with sex slavery, I mean, one should ask her, how would she feel if she were a slave?

  93. […] and One Ukraine … I don't know how many of you, know this Ban-Bhoj or remember this Ban-Bhoj. …Dr Zakir Naik's fraud exposedRaja (Bhoj), after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and […]

    • @Waqas

      wow, waqas, since u have nothing to say about ur islam getting caught by Neil Armstrong, now u bring up some porn scandals. Waqas, If I want , I can post infinite links of Pakistani or Arab Porn and show u ur so called muslim women behind the curtains, BUT I wont do that, because I have respect for this site. I showed u a regular propaganda. Waqas, by showing everyone this link, u have also revealed ur true character which tells us u enjoy watching these things………

      • @waqas
        Since you followed this news about a hindu swami having sex with an actress, you must have also followed how he has gone into oblivion after a tirade of cases filed against him for hurting people's sentiments.
        But one thing that i completely fail to understand is that why Muslims are having problem with this??? Don't you know about the deeds of your Rangeela Rasool??? At least hindus are sensible enough to renounce these things!!! Had Muhammad been on this Swami's place, he would have justified it by saying that it was Allah who ordered him to do that…this is precisely what he did when he was caught with his pant's down with either his wife's maid or his daughter-in-law. …and you idiot muslims even belive him and consider him as a prophet…LOL

      • @VIK
        did any where in quran or hadeeth is written that mecca is in center of the earth. what was the point of publishing that link when we agrees to speak about only Vedas + Quran.
        what would you put porn videos of muslim since you know by yourself that hindu women are much superior in this kinda activity. show me a single porn web site which is run by a pakistani or muslim and i can show you hundredes of pron web site where your all hindu girls scandals are uploaded on the daily basis. in india there is a proper business of legitmate porn movies. show me a single muslim country where its legitimate. ??? you are in canada just compare your hindu girls and muslim girls over there ? you yourself would analyze what kinda clothes most hindu girls wear and what kinda clothes muslim girls wear . ok forget about canada . look at your city mumbai or bombay watever 50 percent of girls lose their virginity when they pass out from school only . What a shame. is that you have been teaching to your sisters and daughters over there? 35 percent of indian women have two affairs at the same time . do you have any answers for these questions or will you still bark with out any facts and stats

      • @Waqas

        First off, I was on topic with this video when ur fanatic muslim scholars told me that Quran should be followed since it was revealed in the center of the earth. I was so shocked and I started laughing out hard. Then they posted this video claiming that Neil Armstrong proved Mecca to be center. The muslim scientists claimed that Neil went to space, and he started asking himself "who hung the dark earth, there? I know, it must be Allah, Allah has hung the dark sphere there" First off, couldnt ur muslim scientists think of a better way of lying, why would Neil Armstrong address GOD as Allah, since hes not even muslim? Then ur scholars claim that Neil heard the muslim prayer on the moon known as adhaan, again I never laughed so hard. When Neill was asked all this propaganda, Neil refused.

        But u went off topic bring in porn links. Waqas, I told u before, I have respect for this site, I dont want to upset u by showing the true nature of pakistani women and arab women on porn sites. I live in Canada, brother I see all ur paki women hanging out with sikh,hindu, and christian men. And they all dress up normally, not wearing any hijab.

        All these indian women have been inspired by whites and western culture otherwise in the old days, any hindu woman wasnt even allowed to step out of her home, but today the western world has inspired them. Same goes for pakistan tooo. Brother, I told u before tooo, I dont want to get into a worthless debate like this.

        Besides, I told u, lets stay with the islam-hinduism debate.

        Brother, please tell me, what do u have to say about sex slaves?

    • @Waqas
      Is this "swami" the best example you can give?? First you have to prove he is worth to be called swami by the Vedic Standard and don't just give example of any tom and dick who are self claimed swamiji ;)p
      Speak base on Quran and Vedas only to justify your believe.

      • @SIVA
        thats what i have been doing too. i know this swami has nothing to do with your vedas or hindu religion . did i say anthing about vedas when i posted that link. VIK came out and he had nothin left to say about beg non veg debate that we were having and when he is losing this debate he posted a link first which has nothin to do with Quran+hadeeth. but did u ask him to apk only about vedas + Quran why because he is from your religion and he cant be asked. that was just a reply to VIK

  94. @Waqas

    Waqas, its not a matter of comments being deleted or not, the thing is that time many muslims talked nasty about my religion, even went up to the extent of showing disrespect to my family, plus this tera baap guy was saying that we hindus dont have balls, so I retaliated. Waqas, the prostitution part, I am talking about history, not today. Today there is prostitution everywhere, even saudi arabia and iraq and pakistan. Now, its obvious that those women are muslim. Waqas, as far, as plants go, listen Waqas, I never made this classification of animals and plants, scientists did. Now u tell me, do plants have a nervous system, red blood, and bones like animals and humans? I agree, plants are living things, but it doesnt mean they are living in a way like humans and animals. Plants feeling pain, is still a debate going on. Its not a fact yet. Some say they do. Others say its only a chemical reaction taking place. Now logically Waqas, think about it, why did GOD make our frequency in such a way that we cant hear the plants? When we kill a human, and animal, we can hear their suffering, but why not plants with our natural state? The sensors were all invented by science not GOD.

    • @Waqas

      Waqas, brother, now I am convinced that u are equally stupid like zakir naik. Brother, there is a huge difference between humans and animals. According to ur stupid logic, then humans should eat humans too, since lions, snakes are all canibles. Brother, I agree lions,cheetahs,tiger,etc, all are meat eaters. But ur forgetting one thing brother, animals dont know wots right or wrong, only we humans have this knowledge. Even if u walk before a lion, he will try to eat u too. Until now, I was suspicious of ur stupidity, but now im convinced. How can u compare a lion to a human. Some animals even eat their own shit, now Waqas, y dont u try the same since u want to project animal habits upon humans?

    • @Waqas

      Brother, I told u before too, Plants feeling pain is not a scientific fact. In fact, there is a debate going on amongst scientists, so say they do feel, but majority say they cant feel pain since plants dont have a nervous system like humans or animals. Brother, u know, I clearly won this debate. I gave u scientific evidence of classifications which are made by scientists not me. I agree Plants are living organisms but u cant catgorize them in the same class as humans and animals. If u choose to eat animals, then my question to u is brother, wots stopping u from eating humans? Even human flesh can be digested as well?

      • @VIK
        if your main purpose is just to win the debate by giving false logics and stupid scientific facts then ask arya and that faggot Agniveer to come to this debate and annouce that you have won.
        forget about classifications, even if classification animalia was made, its not made by God its made by scientist. we are all human beings but some are disable some are blind some are deaf n dumb. some one has made these characterization too. so would you separate disables from normal. Idiot. you just have a childish mentality.
        it has been proved that plants feel pain its not a myth any more. it only gave me a laugh when you said majority feels they cant. bro search again. dont give your stupid scientific logics by yourself .
        Plants most likely feel pain because when they are yanked out of the ground or get cuts, they release a substance which resembles what our brain releases when we injure ourselves.
        here are some links which clearlsy states by the labortary that plants do feel pain
        or just type do plants feel pain in google and see thousands of searches stating it does. by sitting on internet how can you give of your own scientific logic. LOL .
        you stated this line"I agree Plants are living organisms but u cant catgorize them in the same class as humans and animals " it only shows your illiteracy nothinh else that means if same scientist has categorized human beings into normal and disable so the value of disable person is less than a normal human being.
        now keee barking i won i won or ask that asshole faggot agniveer to announce you as a winner

      • @Waqas

        Wow, Waqas, whenver I give a slap to ur face with scientific facts, then u say they are stupid or false. And now u urself use science as a defense. Brother, our original debate was about islamic principles from the quran, and now u make me look as If I am standing in a food market judging who feels pain and who doesnt. Brother, wots the point of sending me links to sites, here u send me a links that says plants feel pain, then ill send u a link to a site that shows plants dont feel pain, brother, this debate is similar to u showing me bad deeds of hindus and I showing u bad deeds of muslims. Brother, if u enjoy throwing links at me, then catch this link as well.
        I really hope we return to our original debate of sex slaves and apostles. Brother, I send u the videos of arya samaj debate with abdulla tariq of peace tv, now I dont know why ur making dumb excuses like bad video quality less people, etc.

      • @VIK
        You slapped me with scientific logics? lol i think you did not read even one of your own link. read the second link again it cleary states plants react to injuries like humans. Idiot. i even asked you to just write "do plants feel pain" in google search and see what does the first 10 pages say about it. All of them say yes they do feel pain. since you could not defend this topic now you have started saying about food market. the argument we are doing about vedas and quran since your book says not to kil animal at all. bro vik we muslims only allow to eat those animals who cant eat meat. Allah has made these animals and plants for human beings some are for ride and some for eat. if killing animal is wring then i think riding on animal is wromng too. why a horse had to take a warrior to a battlefield why not a horse rides at human being stupid.
        as far as slavery is concern we have talked enough about it. this practice does not happen any more. at that time non muslims used to have sex so when muslims conquered them muslims freed lot of slaves and they kept some too. it is not mandatory in Islam to have slave. and the video that you talking about it does not even seem that guy to me . it looks like since your cowards PIGS Arya samaj could not debate zakir they made that home video to show some hindus that we debated islamic scholars and defeated them. the voice quality is too one hardly can understand who is saying riught and who is saying wrong

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, either ur ears are bad or ur volume is low. We all watched the debate and we clearly heard it well. As far as the video goes, u were the one who was anxiously waiting to see arya samaj defeat islam, now ur showing attitude that sound quality is bad or less people or debate was unfair. Brother, we are not rich like zakir who can give u good quality, but one day we will and will also debate zakir. Many attacks have already started against him now, lets see how long can zakir defend himself. Brother, Abdullah Tariq is an islamic scholar from Peace TV, he is not some regular person. And we defeated him, if u seen the end, Pt.Mahendra Pal Arya ji challenged zakir untill Qayamat (doomsday as per islamic bleef). Now u cannot accept the fact that ur islam has lost to Arya Samaj

      • If in this video Islam has lost to arya samaj then in the debate between zakir and vegetarian soceity president rashmi baiza veri arya samaj lost to islam but you will not accept that. even in that debaterashmi zaveri tried to run from that debate. what would an arya challenge to zakir they cant even do an english translation of your vedas. if they have done it, instead of watsing time why dont YOU publish it on internet. He is a coward like agni to challenge him in front of few people, he does no have guts to speak against him in a press conference. i know you would say now, zakir has links with osama and osama funded zakir to do so. then you should be ashamed on yourself that your indian intelligence even cant catch a guy who ha slinks with Osama. If your arya samaj really have the balls, ask them to go in public and challenge Zakir about his comments on Vedas otherwise i think you should all keep your mouth shut

      • i did nt listen to this debate but even his points were less stronger than your arya samaj it does not mean Islam lost to arya samaj. i think in this case if that rashmi zaveri lost debate about vegetables then it means Vedas lost to Quran too. bro if you have little bit of sense think from your own mind. if God wants us to just eat vegetables ? he should have made vegetables avialable at every part of the world so one cant excuse. Country like yours canada can u expect to grow some kind of fields in canada like uk usa and especially the cold western countries where one even cant think of growing fields and bowing seeds. Arab countries, deserts. i think in this case God just want people to die out of hunger of he wants the world to live in inida or pak where vegetables are available with great range.
        dont tell me what action reaction is . its the matter of science and as you acclaimed majority of scientist think that plant does not feel pain. did u even have a look on the researches? just type "do plants feel pain" in any search engine and i guarantee you more than 90 percent of the scientist do believe what i am saying

      • @Waqas

        first off rashmi bhai was a jain not a hindu, so him defending vedas is out of question. Brother, u have gone crazy, i told u before tooo, plants and animals are INCOMPARABLE, there is only one similarity between them is that they have chemical reactions taking place. Ok, now I will give u two facts, and I gurantee they will hit u hard. If u can refute me on these facts, I will start eating non veg today.
        FACT 1) Plants keep regrowing, after their portions are cut, whereas animals or humans cant, so this proves plants cannot be catergorized in the same class species as animals.

        FACT 2)Plants dont have red blood and bones as humans/animals, plants only have juice.

        so try refuting these 2 points.

        Plants are living, but they are not concious beings like animals and humans. Plants, bacteria, virus, etc are called living because they contain cells that helps them grow. SImilarly, if we chop a bacteria in a piece, it regenerates. For example bacteria like paramecia, will grow again if cut. BUT can humans grow again if i chop their hands off, can animals head grow back again if i chop it off.

        As far as Vedas are concerned, ur quran is nothing compared to Vedas. NOr that day has ever come, nor it ever will, where Vedas lose to Quran. Quran is a fake piece of work that sanctions sex and hookers, thats all it is.

      • @Vik
        what a stupid fact and logic you can one neutral person can only laugh on this
        Every creatures has its own value. some animals have 4 legs and some have more and human beings only have 2 so why r u keepin them in one class? an animal can pick the weight of tons since human cant. birds can fly human and animal cant. so that plant has the ability of growing again. what about a Potato? can it grow again by itself? no it cant. once u plucked a potato u have to throw seed again otherwise it will not grow by itself. every living creature has its own qualities. chalo at least you commit the plants are living creatures. thats my victory. now keep barking

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, only time will tell whose logic is stupid. Brother, I am comparing them internally, like blood and bones, not descriptively. Even by descriptions some humans have big eyes some small. Some are tall, some are average. Brother, dont look in description, look internally, u will only find blood and bones in animals and humans, NOT PLANTS. Again, since potatoes dont have a nervous system like animals, I cant agree potatoes feeling pain, however they can have chemical reactions. Ok brother, u enjoy talking about potatoes, brother tell me, like animals and humans,

        can 2 potatoes have sex with each other, and bring out baby potatoes?

        If this were the case, all farmers would go bankrupt after giving a pair of potatoes or any vegetables to marketters.

        Waqas, mere bhai, please use logic.

        Birds, animals, humans, all have 5 things in common.
        -nerveous system
        -concious soul

        Now, do plants or potatoes posses any of these properties?

        Plants including potatoes:
        NO mobility
        NO nervous system
        NO blood
        NO bones
        No concious soul
        Plants can only regenerate and live long (trees can live up to 2000 years, whereas, humans span is only 100 years and animals even less). So I dont understand brother, how can u compare plants and animals, is there even one common feature besides their so called living chemical reactions?

        Waqas, I suggest we get back to our original debate of islamic principles, since u r giving illogical facts. I told u many times, all these things are debated amongst people. But I gave u the properties of plants and animals.

      • @Waqas,

        First off dont teach me about Canada, its obvious I know more than u. Alberta and other arctic plains are rich in vegetation. Besides if people are in arctic frozen areas, its simply their ancestral fault. In the beginning of creation, people migrated to various areas including icy places where they lost access to plants. Now, waqas, history is full of truth and falsehood and its hard to clarify what is what, its obvious eskimos were not born in arctic lands. Its just like ur in a nice field, but all the sudden u jump into a pit with no hopes of escaping. Besides, waqas, y dont u eat humans tooo? according to ur zakir they can also be digested, they can provide far better nutrients than animals……….u guys are all crazy for comparing plants to animals…………bro there is no comparison. However, humans can be compared alot with animals internallly. BUT plants neveeeeeeeeeeer. Vedas forbid us to kill humans or animals, especially cows since they provide us with milk.
        Dumbass zakir bhai MBBS (fake) said we only eat cows after it stops giving us milk, my question to zakir and all his fanatic followers is, suppose ur mom gives u milk, but one day she grows old, and cant help u anymore, so is it right for u to hack her into pieces and eat her?

      • @Vik
        Lolz so if i m born in western country and i dont have enough vegetable to eat becoz it does not grow there and thats the sin of my ancestors sop why god punish me for having non veg. then that is god s mistake becoz he let me born in this place.
        wat a logic . i have no choice just to do sin because of the fault of my ancestors ..Lols what a logic

      • @Waqas.

        Waqas. there is a popular saying in India, "if one searches with full confidence, one can even find GOD". Besides Waqas, my question is about today when u have access to vegetables in pakistan, why do u still slaughter innocent animals in the shitty festival bakr EID?

      • @waqas
        i won't get into the details of veg & non-veg debate, but Zakir Bhai says that Allah has created these(Peaceful) animals so that we can eat them !!
        Brother,a man's mother & wife have the same biological features. So taking a cue from this idiotic logic, should one start having sex with his mother??????

      • @aman
        bro u said u have mind to analyze but i think u r not using that at all. different things are made to use different things. If a person does not have his hands he might eat food woth his feet but it does not mean every one start eating food from feet. some animals have been made to be eaten. If god does not want us to have non veg why did not he make the whole land where one can easilygrow veg. people live in deserts, western countries where temperature is -30 above one cant even think of puttin seed there to grow veg. those lands can never grow veg even country like england where there is a summer but even then their land does not have quality to grow veg. if God wants us to eat only veg, he would ve made veg available all over the world so one cant excuse.

      • @Waqas

        brother, looks like u havent watched the end of the debate, if arya samaj never won, why would they be reciting the Vedic prayers at the end. Ur scholar abdullah tariq had droplets of sweat coming out of him. U just cant admit he lost. Brother note one thing. We hindus can make fun of ur religion as much as we want because its an outsider religion. Now, u cant make fun of Vedic dharma because it is the religion of ur ancestors, u make fun of it, u are disrespecting ur ancestors of whom u are here today. So, Waqas, be carefule boy.

      • VIK
        muslims are jult 13 percent of the whole nation of inDia and still Zakir manages to call hundreds and thousands of people for his speech. You are like 70 crores in India ? cant u even organise 10 thousand people to debate Zakir ????????? what a shame.

      • @Waqas

        Watch carefully the videos again, you would point out 3 major things-
        1) Abdullah Tariq accapted Vedas as first books of God given to the people.
        2) He failed to show the meanings of "kafir" and "deen" from any dictionary whereas Pandit Mahendra did so.
        3) Tariq was defeated on the verse of mary in which he first challenged to show any translation of the verse which says about breathing of soul into mary's private parts. When it was shown, Tariq was not able to even recite the translation properly, as you would have seen, Tariq saying "hhe hshe…. garded her….". When it was so clear about winner, a person with a brain does not need any announcement and that is why it was not done.

        Zakir knows about this debate and he also knows that he will be crushed in the similar way by Arya Samaj as his guru and speaker Tariq has been. He knows Arya Samaj have bigger scholars of islam than his own gang of mullahs who know only sura no.., chapter no….. and verse no…

      • Arya
        muslims are jult 13 percent of the whole nation of inDia and still Zakir manages to call hundreds and thousands of people for his speech. You are like 70 crores in India ? cant u even organise 10 thousand people to debate Zakir ????????? what a shame.

      • @Waqas

        Zakir's scholar of peace tv lost to Arya Samaj scholar. Zakir knows it. We dont need to have 10 thousand people to debate him. Any one of our scholar can easily crush him and he knows it, that is why he is not coming to debate us. At least now he should take up the challenge of debate with Arya Samaj as his scholar has lost.
        you were the one who was abusing Agniveerji by saying he is a liar as he does not have those videos. Now videos are available, what would you say about that?

      • @Arya
        you call them videos??? i think then Ravi shankar lost to Zakir means Vedas lost to Quran too. U said he just needs 10,000 people to gather and he would accept your challenge. you cant even arrange 10,000 hindus for the debat. if he run away from your debatem, ask for an official apology about his comments on Vedas. You dont even have dare to do that. ??

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, Ravi Shankar is not a Vedic follower nor he is an Arya Samaji, Ravi Shankar is a yoga expert, they are 2 different things. Thats like saying the same difference between a christian and a muslim, suppose a christian loses a debate, does it mean islam lost too? Ravi Shankar's defence was love and respect, maximum he was a Geeta devotee. NOw, only Arya Samajis are Vedas defenders. The whole world knows that Ravi Shankar knows nothing of Vedas, if he did, he would be an Arya Samaji today.

        Waqas, u just cant accept the reality so that is why ur barking now, JUST FACE IT BRO………….ISLAM LOST TO ARYA SAMAJIS, meaning QURAN LOST TO VEDAS………………..

      • @Waqas
        you were the one who was praising Zakir bhai from the very first day and challenging Agniveerji to put the videos of Zakir's scholar. why did not you say all this before? Now you have lost to Agniveerji too.
        Where did I say Quran lost to Vedas? I just wrote-"Zakir's scholar of peace tv lost to Arya Samaj scholar". Now you have nothing to say and you are putting your words in my mouth!

      • its not a law made by Allah, it used to happen that time only. you only want to criticize islam you dont see those evidence where muslims freed lot off slaves. Maria was brought a slave but Muhammad(SAW) married her and she also became the mother of his son too. you dont read the life style of Muhammad(SAW), he rules the whole arab but always spent his life in Porty, he did not even have proper bed to sleep and at the same time he was the ruler of arab.
        at that time, sex with slave was permitted with the consensus of slave. but you will never understand

      • @Waqas

        wow, very well said, if sex slavery is not made by Allah, then why do i see 4 verses in the quran, i was told every single verse of the quran is from Allah right?

        Brother, if everything u said about ur prophet is true, then trust me, i respect him as a humanbeing. But from the evidence of hadiths and other islamic scholars, I havent been hearing good things about him lately.

        Well Waqas, today cheating ur spouses is common. Waqas, suppose ur wife (I have respect for her) wants to go out with me on a movie, now will u say its ok as long as she agrees? Waqas, please brother grow up and reject this trash

      • @Waqas
        1) Brother, I appreciate the good things of all the books. I dont say everything of Q+H wrong. But tradition of keeping slave is itself immoral and it was essential for a prophet to rule that out.
        2) Is Izar same as pads? In fact Izar is a cotton garment traditionally worn by muslims. Moreover if I take your meaning, and you gave a mother daughter example, then is it the thing which has to be the part of a book which is going to be read by crores of people of all ages. I ask something private to my wife is ok but what if I shout it in open and write it in my book which would be read by all?
        3) I read authentic tafseer's of Quran such as Jalalain, Husaini and in english, I read Yusuf Ali. I read translation of Vedas by Swami Dayanand and I would request you that until we put the english translation of vedas, you read Satyarth Prakash written by him.

      • @Waqas
        there are many more things which are natural but are of no use to others. for example every human is a result of sexual intercourse of his parents but it does not mean that he will tell, write all this to his followers, friends…that i am result of….
        come on brother, give me the convincing logic.

        instead of suggesting me to consult ahle hadith, you should go to him first because you even dont know how your books are referred, you claim that marriage of maria and muhammad is at many places, and muhammad's heart was not washed by zamzam.

      • @ waqas
        Brother, you said, "at that time, sex with slave was permitted with the consensus of slave. but you will never understand"
        In that case you agree that whatever Muhammad preached has become Irrelevant today. And what do you mean by the word "permitted" ?
        Who permitted?? Allah?? If Allah didn't permit then why did Muhammad do that? Being a Messanger, wasn't he supposed to act as per the Dictat of Allah instead of going thru the prevalent Inhuman Customs? Afterall he had such an easy access to allah!!!

      • @Waqas

        What about Rehana (a jewish girl whose husband was murdered by the mujahideens of muhammad), who refused to marry muhammad and then was taken away by muhammad as his sex slave?

      • @Waqas
        do you really not know about this incident? by the way you always ask me for the reference and I always give, what if I give this time also, you will say-things are quoted out of context…

        you give the hadith which says about maria marrying to muhammad

      • @ WAQAS
        Brother first and foremost, am not here to criticize any religion!!! Al I wanna do is, follow the path of truth.. Take my word, I would happily accept Islam if it convinces me that it is indeed the part of truth!!! But all I find there is, denigerating women by keeping them as slaves & indulging in polygamy!!!! In Q+H, I've seen Allah addressing us as slaves!
        Just imagine, will your parents ever call you slaves? Certainly not !! Then how would God do that ! For me God is certainly not a Tyrrant , nor He is the head of a marketing team that would urge His followers to market his faith and indulge in Proselytism!! And the worst part is Allah orders the killing of those who leave the Islamic faith!! Brother, discard the quran& vedas for a minute and then think neutrally, will your parents order your killing if you have a difference of opinion with them & you decide to leave their house?????
        certainly there is no moral justification for all these..
        And I am really not the kind of person who would blindly believe semi-literate mullahs or even pandits for that matter!!! God has given me brain to analyze & realize!!!

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, my dear brother, I told u, everything in this world has a reaction when subjected to a force whether the thing is living or non living. Suppose, I hammer a lumber of wood, u see sawdust flying around it, its reaction baby. If i hammer a glass and it shatters. The reaction of the glass is that it shatters. So similarly if I pluck a potato, obviously it will have a reaction brother. Saying that Allah has given the quality to fruits and vegetables is not a convincing answer. I can tell u more differences between animals and plants. For example, plants dont have red blood and bones like humans and animals. For example, humans and animals portions dont grow back when cut like plants. Brother, tell me, tamotoes, potatoes, onions all come from the ground. NOw brother tell me, when i pluck a tomato, why is it still alive? According to ur logic it should be dead right?

  95. @VIK
    you should ve not said these words about Prophet and Quran. u said it without even thinkin that one could use the same word about your VEdas too but i know you guys dont feel bad alot if some1 say bad about your books. but it really did hurt me. i m disappointed with your words.

    • @Waqas

      Waqas, as u mite know, this reply wasnt for you, there are many fanatic muslims out there who call us "without balls" and disrespect our Vedas. So I have the right to retaliate. I really apologize if it hurts u, but as I said, this reply was for those people who insulted my religion. They must be muslims, I mean who else can show this much hatred towards hindus. I told you before, we Arya Samajis have defeated ur islamic scholars, but maybe muslims like u cant accept it, so u start abusing us. By the way, mine intention of hurting u or muslims is nothing compared to what zakir naik has done. Zakir naik has simply lied about our scriptures that we have to reject Vedas and follow ur quran. How hurt do u think we hindus are? If muslims enjoy spreading the truth, then why cant they accept the truth?


      Get this translated.

      La illaha mafi allah
      mohammed dur rasul shaitan.

      Got sufficiently hurt?

      Dont come on this website, there are real brainy intelligent people here to debate with you. And some of us even fluent in arabic.

      • Aur tu pahle tameez seekh kar aa.

        tere jaise faltu log hi fasad failate hain

        jis tarah islam ke kalme ko tu itni behudgi se kah raha hai na waise hi agar koi tere dharm ko isi tarah kahe to tujhe kaisa lagega.

        pahle izzat karna seekh
        phir log teri izzat karenge.

  96. – “Sati Pratha” is nowhere mentioned in Hindu scriptures. Not a hint of it. ‘Sati’ is an ancient Sanskrit term, meaning a chaste woman who thinks of no other man than her own husband. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his wives commit suicide. The famous examples are Sati Anusuiya, Savitri, Ahilya etc. None of them committed suicide, let alone being forcible burned. So how is that that they are called Sati? The term ‘Sati’ was never accompanied by ‘Pratha’. So ‘Sati Pratha’(in its modern avatar of forcible widow burning) is not a fault of Hinduism but a crime of Islam. The origin of “Sati Pratha” comes from Mediveal India mainly in Rajasthan Rajput families when they were fighting constant Islamic Invasions. These invaders did not follow the moral ethical code for the civil populace and raped their women and butchered their children. The brave Hindu Rajput women chose death (Jauhar) out of pure fear of Molestation and Rapes committed by Muslims after victory. They built big cauldron like pots, lit then with fire and jumped into them, to die voluntarily and happily in order to save their honour and chastity.

  97. about jihad mentioned in 1st few comments..
    jihad means to fight for ALLAH… what u people r doing like arguing with each other is also a jihad, when u r hungry but still dont steal and fight against ur will is also a type of jihad..
    mostly few verses from QURAN about jihad are used to misinterpret that… to understand that u have to go to the context.. Where muslims r fighting with the mushriks of meeca.. That's why ALLAH says kill the non-believers if u see them..
    like in mahabahrat where arjun says i cant fight against my brother then vishnu says u have to fight it's a fight bw good and evil, it was a battle..
    same thing is over here also muslims were going to the battlefield..
    No one would say like "dont kill ur enemy" before entering into a battle..
    Like indian's woudn't say like dont kill the pak or Chinese when they r in a battle against them they would definitely say go kick their ass's..

    after that verse where ALLAH says to kill the kafirs he says "but negotiation is batter" where ever ALLAH mentions any thing about fighting at the same time he suggest that negotiation is better..

    • @ghgh.
      jihad invariably means to fight and kill, and on this forum we are neither fighting nor killing!!!!!All we are doing is , defending the oldest culture from some nefarious designs, which has caused unimaginable harm to humanity, since last 1400 yrs or so…
      And we are merely rebutting the false propaganda by that Parrot Nayak, instead of forcing anyone to accept a particular faith!!! Herein I shall provide you with some verses of Quran, which proactively advocates violence,irrespective of any provocation.
      You very rightly said that Krishna asked Arjun to fight as it was a fight b/w good & evil!!! But My dear, it was all done in self-defence and for their rights. On the other hand, the approach of Quran is merely restricted to conversion , by hook or by crook.
      Moreover Shri Ram & Shri Krishna never kept women as Sex-Slaves, unlike Muhammad & his Maniacs!! Infact if you see things at a Macro-level, the fight of Ramayana & Mahabharata was all because women were disgraced!!!

      Qur'an (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

      Qur'an (3:56) – "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
      ( How can God be so cruel!!)

      Qur'an (3:151) – "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

      Qur'an (4:89) – "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

      Qur'an (4:95) – "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
      ( This verse clearly falsifies you when you say that even arguing in the name of God is Jihad)

      Qur'an (8:12) – "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
      ( Any sensible explanation to this??????)

      The list can go on & on…
      Lastly, you said ," after that verse where ALLAH says to kill the kafirs he says "but negotiation is batter" where ever ALLAH mentions any thing about fighting at the same time he suggest that negotiation is better..
      What is this Negotiation For?????????

      "You accept my faith,or I will kill you and keep your women as sex-slaves" !!

      • @ghgh
        I agree that there are verses in quran which advocates peace.
        This only exposes its contradictory nature!!! and this is precisely what Agniveerji has been saying on this site.. ,"How can God's word be so contradictory?????"

    • @ghgh

      Your hate manual koran justifies fighting against kaffirs because of their religion, they dont accept islam. What a third grade religion. Yur kashmiri muslim brothers are doing the same to hindus.

      Do you really expect us kaffirs to NOT fight back for our faith? Why do these kashmiri muslims cry buckets when the Indian army/paramilitary forces fight back?

      When september 11 happened all muslims worldwide were celebrating, then why you cry when america attacked afghanistan and carpet bombed it?

      Arent you muslims one big bunch of CRY BABIES?

  98. Someone has mentioned on false hadees about prophet that he suggested to drink camels piss and use it for medicine purpose.. From Bukhari in the books of WADHU.. before i continue let me tell u WADHU MEANS ABOLUTION.. the topic of camels, piss and medicine.. is completely of different topic.. that hadees is not there at all, someone has made it up to justify it with what hindus do (drinking cow's piss, all though few dont do it).

  99. Islam doesn't degrade women in fact it uplifts them. Hijab is to protect their modesty.. it saves them from the filthy looks of perverts.. But u people in the name of uplifting women u r exposing them.. Dont tell me that, u dont get hooters if u see a half naked women in magazine or TV, if not ur not straight.Islam doesn't degrade women in fact it uplifts them. Hijab is to protect their modesty.. it saves them from the filthy looks of perverts.. But u people in the name of uplifting women u r exposing them.. Dont tell me that, u dont get hooters if u see a half naked women in magazine or TV, if not ur not straight.
    in Islam if u have more than 1 wife, u r suppose to treat them equally and mostly they marry widows and divorcees 2nd thing there is more female population then men in America alone there is 6%more females then men in Europe there is 9.6%more females than men in all the countries there is more female population then men except few backward countries like India, pak,Bangladesh etc coz they do abortion when they come to know it's a female child. If they stop doing abortion of fetus then even in these countries there will be more female population then men.. Consider if a man has only one wife, what about the other female population who will be left out with out a partner. So there will be one option they should become public property u might say "PUBLIC PROPERTY" such a harsh word, believe me i cant think of any other word better then this..

    • @ghgh

      What about men? Who will uplift them? Islam does not teach man to control himself. Why should not men veil his eyes rather than forcing women to wear hijab? And what about a man whose face is seen by a woman? Should not he also wear hijab?

      You seem to be another victim of brainwashing skills of Zakir Naik. Instead of believing false figures, visit "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio" and get actual figures of sex ratios worldwide and interestingly, Arab which is birth place of islam has highest male/female ratio. So polyandry should be practiced there by your logic!

      • @GHGH
        brother, if below 65, male/female ratio is either 1 or more then polyandry should be allowed as per your logic because one would prefer marrying before 65 and not after that!. Its funny that you have yourself given the figures which contradict your logic. That is why I called you the victim of brainwashing skills of Zakir Bhai.
        Are HIV and AIDS two different diseases? Go to any doctor and ask him and you would know that polygamy is no less disease causing than polyandry.
        Refute the points made by Agniveerji and others logically. Dont be a parrot who says anything without having sense of it, we already have one in the form of Zakir. By the way, Mahabharat is not a revelation which any hindu believes to be from God and neither Draupadi or Pandawas are role model. Give the proofs from Vedas only.
        I invite you to come to Vedic Dharma of Vedas which is free from all falsehood and contains the absolute truth.

    • @GHGH

      like ur master zakir, u must be blind as well. In every country there are more males than females. SO should he practice opolyandry . Now, go do ur homework before opening ur big mouth.

    • @ghgh
      According to your data, there are less females in Indian sub-continent than men! Then why shouldn' women indulge in polyandry?? There is a very high probability of men becoming public property!!!!
      Who will save the men from the filthy looks of those pervert women????
      Going by your idiotic logics, its high time that men(read:muslims) in the indian sub-continent should start covering their faces, or else they may become victim of Women perverts!!!!!!!!


  100. @ @ waqas
    Brother since your quran sanctions to have upto four wives, tell me how would you react if your father brings any other woman/women in your house other than your mother as a legally wedded wife? I will not take up the issue of concubines and sex-slaves!
    . how would you react if your father sleeps wid other women, leaving your mom as mute spectator to his sexual raunches…and pls don't put up you-tube links saying that the same things happen in india too!
    Waiting eagerly for your reply, brother!

    I am copy pasting it again and again coz' i want waqas to reply!!!!

  101. First of all, Waqas get ur facts corrected. The link was not a wikipedia link, it was link to the website wikiislam.org by ex-muslims or apostates. By the way, you said "i only talk to sane people not to biggest idiot (obviously was meant for me)." So, at least you consider some of us sane. Thank God!

  102. The problem with those white dumbheads is that they do not live under an oppressing islamic regime as yet. They should have been born in islamic countries like pakistan, somalia, iran, yemen, etc. My advise to them is to visit these countries and if possible take the citizenship of these countries and get a taste of things firsthand. There is a saying in hindi for these people, "kutte ko ghee hazam nahi hota."

  103. It is not so difficult to understand the fact as to why women are converting and the answer is in islam itself.
    Sahih Bukhari: volume 3, book 48, number 826 Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a women equal to half that of a man?" The women said "yes". He said "This is because of the deficiency of the women's mind."
    No wonder these less intelligent creatures turn to islam only to repent later.
    the only reason they cannot come out in public because u "peaceful loving" people will be baiting for their blood.

    • @SDC
      i have already told you i m not going to reply you so stop asking me questions and find another person to debate. i only talk to sane people not to biggest idiot . If you really belive the authenticity of wikipedia that means Vedas allow Sati.
      that means what ever wriiten in above link is right about your SHIT dharam.

    • @Waqas
      1) Think of that time when people just started accepting idol worship instead of worshiping formless God. Idol worshipers would have also given the same logic of high conversion rate! Can high conversion rate for a religion be the measure of righteousness?
      2) Embracing Islam by US/UK women does not imply to the truthfulness of Islam. Its just about change for those girls as they change their partners every now and then! Forget about US, just go to your mother (I have respect for her) and ask her about hijab and polygamy and tell me what she says.

      you have not responded to my previous comments in which I proved washing of Muhammad by Zamzam and caliphate for Arabs only, from Hadith. You challenged me to give references, I gave. Would you convert to your original Dharma now?

      • @Waqas
        You wrote-"it does not make a difference to choose one wrong thing after leaving another wrong thing". Brother, this is what I am saying. Be it idol worshipers of Arab or India, girls of UK/US, it does not make any difference to them whether they accept Islam or not! Yes of course, they are promised to get 72 virgins in jannat, and the girls who are lesbians would be very pleased to get those. You wrote-"why are not they(girls) accepting Hinduism …?". So it is again the same thing that a characterless person will choose a characterless cult. Like attracts like! A person of loose character can not befit with a religion of Vedas of noble persons. Regarding more strictness on dress and freedom of women, forget about US, even in India, not more than 20% of muslim women wear hijab. No mullah can issue fatwa in US/UK for a woman for consuming alcohol or sex. So dont give the logic of strictness.
        2) If I would have believed the righteousness of my religion based on no. of people in it or converting to it, I would have become christian or muslim. It does not matter to me whether I am alone or with millions. I am not among those (like Zakir Naik and his followers)who in gathering of thousands, clap madly on conversion of a person from his belief to mine. The religion which you called as SHIT RELIGION was, what your ancestors used to follow and sacrificed their life to defend.
        3) If I am still dumb, why have you replied now? You challenged me-"where does it mention that Gibrael washed the heart of Muhammad", you did not asked for "dirty heart", you can check your comment. I am sure that you had never read this incident and denied me first and when I gave you reference, you changed your words that I asked for "dirty heart". It was my conclusion that if something was needed to be washed then obviously it should be dirty and You have to accept that. You were first denying the whole incident and now twisting your words.
        4)Regarding caliphate, if it would not have Muhammad's wish of an Arab to be Caliph then how could Abu Baker order against the will of Muhammad?
        5)Brother, you have neither read Vedas nor all Quran and Hadith. You have assumed your path to be superior to others without comparing them. I challenge you, if you can point out a single verse of Quran which you feel is unparalleled and can not be matched by any mantra of Vedas, I shall accept Islam. But if I would do so then you would convert to Vedic Dharma. All the points should be made in the light of Vedas, Quran+Hadith and nothing else. Do you accept the challenge?

      • @Waqas
        1)Brother, the language you are using here clearly shows who is jealous of whom. We were supposed to discuss Vedas and Quran+hadith, but you always bring in hindu and muslim. I have never said that a hindu is perfect, rather, I said Vedas are perfect. You still have not given a single mantra from Vedas in your support. I always refer Q+H. By the way in India, most of the people who are involved in prostitution-the owner and prostitutes, are muslims. So dont give me rubbish logic of high character of muslims. You can follow Vedic Dharma only when you pledge to live your life according to Vedas. This is called real transformation and it does not require change in name, reciting kalma, and reading namaaj. When a girl converts to islam, she is insured to get 72 virgins afterwards, wine, ghilmaan(boys), and many more things. So she, who had engaged with 10-20 partners till now, would be pleased to get 72 at a time. Thus she would be desperate to come to this characterless cult where after some years, she would get five times more amusement forever. If she wants to come to Vedic Dharma, she has to lift up her character otherwise she can not be called as Vedic.
        2)I am giving here portion of Bukhari[9:608](remember 9 is volume, not book)
        "Gabriel cut open(the part of his body) between his throat and the middle of
        his chest (heart) and took all the material out of his chest and `Abdomen and then washed it with Zamzam water.". Moreover it is clearly mentioned in one of the other two hadith that his heart was filled with wisdom and belief. Now you can understand that first of all heart was washed and when it was cleaned then belief and wisdom were poured into it. If you still dont understand, go to any maulvi and ask him.
        3)If Caliphate to Arabs only was not Muhammad's will then how could Abu Baker said so? If Muhammad really wanted any non arab to become caliph then Abu Baker overruled Muhammad. And muslim ummah has to follow Abu Baker as he was appointed Caliph after death of Muhammad.
        4)Arya samaj has officially challenged Zakir 4 times, you can see it on google, but being stage performer, he asks us that how much crowd we can pull! So for him and semi literates who follow him have criteria of truthfulness of a religion as how much crowd one can pull!
        5)If you give a single verse from Vedas which says that a woman or low caste has no right to read Vedas, I will leave Vedic Dharma the moment you show it. We were agreed to talk on Vedas and Q+H, dont drag anything from outside.
        6)I follow Vedas. I discard everything which goes against it, be it puran or Quran. From now on remember this thing and refer Vedas only.

      • @Arya
        it was you who brought muslim and hindu in debate. if you check out previous comments you would see agni asked me to show him proof about the conversion of americans to Islam i just showed you the proof . when i published that link did i say any thing about religion i just here is the proof of americans converting to Islam . Since those women have become muslims and you used pathetic language against them and it hurt me. Where in Quran and hadith,s it s mentioned that women will get 72 virgins . its only for men and for women its will just be a surprise. and the things you mentioned she is going to get that would happen after her death not after few years. When you think about white why only a sex word comes to your mind first . Is just sex can amuse people thats what displays your dirty mind. If its only about sex , she can have sex here with girls with men , she could ve become become prostitute in order to enjoy sex why she chose Islam where she will not be allowed to drink , will not be allowed to show her skin(the way hindu women does) , will not be allowed to go to night clubs or will not be allowed to change partners without marriage. If you comparison of proper islamic women and proper vedic women you would be able to know that character of Islamic women is much higher than your women.
        as far as hadiths are concern you are referring me a hadith again and again. In first place you mentioned washed dirty and sinful heart i just wanted you tell me where does it say dirty and sinful. its was like an abolution . We offer prayer 5 times a day . every time before we offer prayer we do abolution wash our hands mouth head nose mouth what does that mean these parts have become dirty . Since Allah has only given this chance to our Beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to show him the heaven why Allah would choose a person who has a dirty and sinful heart . by just reading without understanding one can conclude things whatever he wants and if dirty minded person like you start concluding by itself then you can take the meaning whatever favors you .
        If its some thing bad in islam why would we display it openly . You just type Bukhari Sharif and you see 100,s of web sites have published all books of hadith . We are not like you who could not even publish a single actual transalation approved by Your cowards Arya samaj on internet because they know after reading the actual translation if vedas people like you who blindly trust on Vedas will leave the religion too.
        If you discard anything that goes gainst your vedas why dont you burn all those books then. i am sure there are more 70 crore hindus in india only and more than 70 percent of them are following these books only 20 to 25 are following vedas . Instead of bring me on your path first atleast try them to bring on your path. We muslims even though we have 72 sect (including Ahmediya) at least believe in the oneness of god .But look at your hindu people you have made more than 100 gods some are worshipping snakes , some to cows, some to elephant , some to different idols.
        if you discard naya purana bhagawan geeta mahabhrtha ramayan so burn all these books . why following those???

      • @Waqas

        1)Brother, I think you were involved in three separate debates with me, Agniveer ji and Vik. But first you assumed that this site is run by the above three. Then you assumed that all three of us sit together and give you answers and hence all the three are responsible for what any one of us writes. I dont know about brother Vik but I am not the owner of this site. I comment here just like you. Have you been ever questioned about anything which is written by muslims here? Then how can you drag the matter of Agniveer ji's debate into ours? Make your comments only on Vedas and/or my comments. You are continuing with the childish mentality of saying "your hindu actress". I am not here to write on hindu muslim but for your information, there are many muslim actresses working in india and pakistan showing their skins without shame. So better stick to Vedas and Q+H debate.
        If any of my writings(except from Quran+Hadith) has hurt you I feel sorry. I never had this intention but I had to write it because I know their character. Just go to the countries of white girls and find how many muslim girls have stopped consuming alcohol, sex… Brother, those girls have liberty to test any religion and come back if they dont want it. It is not like Arab or pakistan that they will be hanged if they go against sharia. Forget about US/UK, I see many muslim girls going to their colleges in hijab but after reaching college, they become more fashionable than others. I am equally harsh on all those girls who wear vulgar dresses irrespective of hindu, muslim, christian. Same way I equally condemn idol worship, grave worship, man worship (considering a man to be God or including a man with God in prayer), be it by hindus or muslims or christians.
        2) Why will not Allah give equal amusement to both men and women? Why cant a women get 72 men? And of course, at least in islam, the biggest amusement is sex and that is why, the biggest no.(72) of any pleasure is of virgins!
        3) You asked me to show the hadith of washing the heart of Muhammad, you can see your first comment and I showed. Dirtiness of heart was a consequence of washing which I pointed out. Brother if you see logically, you need to wash the thing which is dirty. In fact your ablution is also for washing. Moreover if you read those hadith again, you will find faith and wisdom were poured into Muhammad's heart after washing. Now you can understand yourself why washing was needed.
        4) Logic of displaying openly, the hadith, is not enough to prove the righteousness of hadith. This is really unfortunate that muslims do not see any bad in hadith which contain vulgar, cruel, and inhuman practices. I give some examples which I have given earlier too.
        i) Ayesha said, "The Prophet used to place a pillow in my lap even though I would be menstruating, and then he would recite the Qur'an." (Bukhari, vol 1pg 197 Book of Bath)
        ii)The Messenger of Allah addressed his wife Safia as “O You, bald-headed perished one!” (Bukhari, Kitabut Talaq vol 3 pg 143)
        iii)Abdullah Ibne Umar was reciting the Qur'an. When he reached verse 2:223, he asked Naafe whether he knew the application of this verse. Then he went on to explain as:“Your women are your tilths. Therefore, go to your tilths, as you please. If you wish, go into her …” (Bukhari, Book of Tafseer 6:50)
        iv) Ayesha said, “When Rasoolullah desired to have intercourse with me while I menstruated, he would order me to tie a piece of cloth around my waist.” (Bukhari, The Book of Menstruation vol 1 pg 24)
        v) A woman presented herself to the Prophet. He intently gazed at her from head to toe and then lowered his head (meaning she did not interest him). (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:71)
        5) I consider ramayan, mahabharat, Quran, and hadith, etc as history books. I am not bound to believe all those word by word. I do not regard ram, krishna, or muhammad as God or messengers. I shall not follow any of their act which is immoral according to Vedas.
        6) Burning the books-Now you have shown true face of islam which orders to burn everything which goes against you. This is what muslims have done till date. They have burnt all those whom they do not like, they rape those who do not follow islam just to make their sons and daughters muslim! And most unfortunate thing brother, one of the sons of such a mother is praising the bastards who raped mothers and sisters of his ancestors, killed them and forced them to follow this barbaric cult called islam.

        I again invite you to your original Dharma of your beloved ancestors in which you can taste the real Tauheed or oneness of God as it does not ask you to believe any Ram, Krishna or Muhammad. Read Satyarth Prakash to know more.

      • @Arya
        sorry to reply you back was bit busy in my other things i know u must be comin back again and again on this website to see my reply but i really could not get much time to reply you. any how yea i should ve not brought you in that debate because i thought u that asshole agniveer and vik are on a same page because i never interacted agniveer or never questioned him he suddenly popped up in my debate with you guys . You are saying you the character of white girls because you have been to their countries bro i ve lived in uk for four years too and the girls i ve seen converted to Islam never go back to their previous lives as far as character is concern indian women character is almost like those white women character. 35 percent of indian women keeps 2 love affairs at the same time where in united states its 42 percent so its not a big difference. only in mumbai 50 percent of the girls lose their viginity when they pass out from the school and in united states it 54 percent again the difference is not big . i think then the character of indian women is much lower than white women. any how thats a different issue now coming back to your original points
        you asked me why Allah does not give equal amusement to women too bro i m not god. Allah has kept some thing special for them as it is mentioned it would be a surprise for them.and as fas as amusement is concern we do not pray, do good to others, obey the orders of Allah to get 72 virgins. this is one of the gift that we are going to get but our only priority is too make Allah satisfies with us. we want Allah to be happy with ourselves. you wont understand that how does it feel to be a muslim.
        Bro as far as hadith about heart is concern, since you are just reading it then you can make any meaning you want to make. you think you are very intelligent. do you only take shower when you get dirty. we do abultution bu it does not mean the part of body we wash gets dirty therefor we do that. we do that becoz Allah has asked to do that. let suppose if i do ablution as soon as i do that after some seconds my belly gas gets leaked i ll have to do my ablution again . You tell me by leaking gas how my mouth my hand my face my arms and hair get dirty . we do that again becoz Allah has asked us to do that. as far as washing Muhammad;s heart, Allah knows best why Allah asked Gibreal to do so but it does not mean that heart was sinful or dirty otherwise why Allah choose a person to show his heaven who has a dirty or sinful heart. you only see the hadith with the eye of critic because you only want to find mistakes in that therefor you could not see the sacrifices of Muhammad (PBUH). He was the best ever Messenger and prophet send to this nation and he was messenger and prophet for whole nation.
        the other Hadiths you have mentioned you have taken them out of contecxt ? what kind of Vulgarity you see in those hadiths? sex is part of life and Islam gives a whole teaching to person to elad his life.in one of the hadith where Muhammad(PBUH) offered on of the slave to a sahaba, you know Muhammad(PBUH) asked that sahabe to return that slave and instead of kepping her slave Muhammad(PBUH) married her. He did not let that sahaba to take a women of that tribe . They were slaves over there too.the thing is its just mind thinking may be some thing moral for you immoral for me or some thing immoral for you moral for me.
        i give you a simple example like if your sister and mother (with high respect) wear sarhi showing their belly and back moral for you but thats totally immoral for me and polygamy is immoral for you but moral for me.
        its just the thinking nothing else

      • @Waqas

        1)Brother, since you have again talked about hindu-muslim character so let me tell you that most of the prostitutes in India are muslims. You have not been able to answer the questions regarding Muhammad and his character, which I pointed out from your authentic hadith. You have nothing to say over Muhammad except that I have taken things out of context. Quran says- "They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean"[2:222]. But see Bukhari-"Ayesha said, “When Rasoolullah desired to have intercourse with me while I menstruated, he would order me to tie a piece of cloth around my waist.” (Bukhari, The Book of Menstruation vol 1:298)".
        Now you tell me brother, did not Muhammad disobey Allah?
        2) Regarding ablution, Quran says-"O ye who believe! When ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete His favor to you, that ye may be grateful." [5:7]

        It is clear that ablution is required for cleaning and it is not a mere ritual. Regarding sins of Muhammad, check this out from Quran in which Allah says to Muhammad-"That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way".[48:2]. I can provide hadith also if you want but I think it is enough.
        It is clear that Muhammad's heart was not only full of sins before he became prophet but he used to commit sins afterwards too.

        3)So you agree that everybody has his own levels of morality. But then why do Zakir and other mullahs want these morals of Muhammad and Quran to be accepted universally? Why do they call Quran to be final word for everyone and Muhammad to be the prophet of whole mankind? By the way, sex slavery, polygamy are something which no prophet should have propagated as these are immoral practices suppressing women.

      • @Arya
        dont give me a shit about muslims prostitute in india. you dont have clear facts about that. the stats i stated it was taken from your own indian survey group. 50 percent of girls lose their virginity when they pass out from school only in mumbai and i clearly said about mumbai not abot the whole india . if you are from mumbai then start thinking first about ur family too. YOU KNWO WHY THIS THING IS HAPPENING because of your broad minded formulaes therefor islam ask women to cover her body.
        i dont think so you have ever read books about Hadith. you have only read those books which are written against Islam. Bro the hadith you are mentioning is not correct hadith . the correct hadith is
        Narrated 'Aisha:

        The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

      • @Waqas

        I live in India and know it better than you. I know the ground reality. I know that most of the prostitutes in India are muslims. I dont read books about hadith but I read hadith itself! If this hadith is incorrect then go and look at the book by a pakistani Dr ghulam jelani barq named as "do islam". You would find the similar translation there. Moreover, are these the deeds of a Prophet? Could not prophet control himself until Aisha would got purified?

      • @Arya
        why do you have to go to take a reference from that book? y didnt u look it on internet or to read any other book to get more clarifications. i gave you a translation of Vedas about satti too. u said it was a bad translation did i say any word about satti after that. even though i m not still sure weather u were right or the guy who translated it was right because i dont know how to read sanskrit. where in this haidth it mentioned that Muhammad(PBUH) had sex with aisha while menstruating. my english is bad but your english is very good i gave you clear hadith then why did you ask this question again. i dont understand.
        you said "i would talk about quran and hadiths and you talk about Vedas". i cant find vedas in pakistan. and its not even on internet. why dont you ask your COWARDS arya samaj to do translation for you so you can publish it on internet. you can find a whole Quran and hadiths on internet and therefor mashah Allah thousands of people are converting to Islam.
        see read me comment again did i say 50% ratio of hindu women lost their virginity or did i say 50% ratio of girls in mumbai lose their virginity when they pass out from school. only hindus live in mumbai??? now why are you barking again that there are more muslim women prostitutes here than hindu . Dog i know there are multi religions in mumbai some are hindus some are muslims some are sikhs some are christians some are fake hindus who do idol worship. i said it about all of them . i just mentioned those stats because u said white girls are characterless so i said in reponse to them that your indian women also do not have a very good character. in india 35 percent women keeps 2 affairs at the same time and in us its 42 percent. so is it a really big difference that makes your women high character. do u have an answer for that. i know you wont but i even know you would still bark

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, its true, majority of prostitutes are muslim. I am not being biased, I have proof. Historically, prostitution originated from islam or moghal empire. Otherwise today, in any indian brother u go to brother, why do they greet u islamically, like saying "adaab", "aslam alekum", and in many brothels they use the urdu language. Have u seen indian movies made on prostitution, why are they titled "Umrao Jaan" and "Sultana Begam", brother these are muslim names. I agree there are hindu prostitutes today too, but historicaly it originated from islam. And by the way, if u want those videos of Arya Samaj defeating islam, just type in utube "Arya Samaj vs Islam" or go to http://www.youtube.com/truthwisdom2008 and u will seee the debate

      • @VIK
        first of all, you should have not come to this debate since it was not between you and me. i am already been debating you seperately since i did not reply you for 2 days does not mean i left the debate with you. i was busy with some of my personal things. Since you could not defend the debate about vegetables you have come up to prostitution now. first you said by yourself we eat vegetables when they die and since you could not defend that you brought the topic of classifications. the way you reply it seems you spent 2r hour on this website any how coming to your point. before i go further let me tell you whats the percentage of different religions in mumbai
        Hindus (67.39%), Muslims (18.56%), Buddhists (5.22%), Jains (3.99%), Christians (3.72%), Sikhs (0.58%), with Parsis and Jews making up the rest of the population.
        now thats the figure of mumbai . you can even confirm it by authentic resources.
        50 percent of mumbai girl lose their virginity when they pass out from school accroding to survey done by indians in 2008 so you are sensible to calculate how many of them can be hindus. even if we take the same figure it comes up2 67 percent n muslim 18 percent. 35% of indian women keep 2 affairs at the same time since in usa its 42 percent so the there s not a big difference in figures so by calculating those figures in mind one can easily say that the character of indian women is like same of white women since you and Arya were calling them characterless women. but even if you say count the figures the percentage of muslims in india is 13 percent only and there are 80 percent hindus according to 2009 census.so again majority of hindu's women are corrupt then muslims. i know you would again blame muslims for this becoz you would say since muslims have fucked their mothers so therefor they are like that. its not about being biased or double standard. do u have a figure or stats where it says the percentage of muslim,s women prostitute is higher than hindus. As far as this web site is concern, it is run by the biggest asshole on earth. He lied on the first page when he said about zakir stating expert on hindu scriptures or even quran scriptures. his almost videos are available on internet and show me a single video where he stated that so that thing proves that AGNIVEER is a liar and a faggot as far as double standard of this web site is concern here is the proof. when i read your comments about Muhammad(SAW) and Quran literally i scrolled the whole page by the name of tere baap to see what he actually said about hinduism or your scriptures but i could not find that. I am sure he must have written some thing very nasty about your religion and therefor you responded that way but see his comments have been deleted i could not find it on this page and your comments are still there. thats a double standard. after happening all this if you still say thats not double standard then its up to you

      • @Waqas

        Even if I take your translation, it still sounds vulgar. You wrote-"The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me."
        Now you tell me that why Muhammad used to order Aisha to wear Izar? Did not Aisha always dress up properly as per your islamic dress code? If yes, why did Muhammad need to ask Aisha to wear something if she is already dressed? And if Aisha did not wear anything before prophet used to oerder, then it sounds vulgar. What teaching does a man/woman get from taking bathe from the single pot, and fondling even in menses of woman? What meaning of fondling a person take if Aisha was ordered to put Izar below her waist?

        Regarding your statistics, now you have come to mumbai-paki girls debate! This was supposed to be Vedas and Q+H, right? Going away from the topic of debate clearly shows you have nothing to say now on our main topic and you are not in a position to defend that coward, pedophile, rapist, and lowest character sinner Muhammad. You did not reply to my another comment in which I showed you that Muhammad was a sinner. I give that here again-

        Lets see who is stupid!
        Quran [47:19] and [48:2] clearly state-
        1. Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and for the men and women who believe: for Allah knows how ye move about and how ye dwell in your homes.
        2.That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;
        Thy is used for a person whom Allah is talking. It is clear that both verses are for Muhammad. Now I give example from hadith. Bukhari [9:93:482] says-"…..O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public…".
        Now it is proved that Muhammad used to commit sins even during his prophethood. Now you should accept Muhammad as a sinner which I have shown you from Q+H.

        Now ask yourself what is the level of morality do you and your prophet possess. If you want to still continue to say islam is the best and Muhammad is greatest man ever born then its your choice. You have abused many times arya samaj and Agniveer ji here. I can do that too and say anything about muhammad but I do not because I am not the follower of a coward pedophile sinner who insults his ancestors because he has been taught the same. I am not the one who praises the rapists, looters and invaders who raped his own mothers and sisters and invaded his motherland to spread the coward cult called islam.

      • @Arya
        and the verse that you are mentioning it was for muslims and ummah not for muhammad(PBUH). Muhammad(PBUH) was the messenger. Thats what it shows your stupidity of thinking .
        yea every body has his own level of morality so how can you say characterless women to white only . what makes you and your women having good character. Bro there is no level one thing is right and one thing is wrong thats it. if you are straight you want your wife to be straight too. Would you do wife swapping with your friend . i m sure you wont but there are like hundreds and thousands of whites who are doing so and thats moral for them and i know its totally immoral for you. Islam is a right religion and it is meant for the whole nation and thats our duty to spread it. i suggest instead of reading those books which are written against Islam, study catula books of Quran and hadith. if you cant inspite of bringing us to your path at least bring those 70 crore hindus who are doing idol worship. you dont even have aone web site whhere you cn find english translation if vedas approved by your PIGS COWRADS arya smaj. ask them to do so or do it by yourself so people can read it .

      • @Waqas

        Lets see who is stupid!
        Quran [47:19] and [48:2] clearly state-
        1. Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and for the men and women who believe: for Allah knows how ye move about and how ye dwell in your homes.
        2.That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;

        Thy is used for a person whom Allah is talking to. It is clear that both verses are for Muhammad. Now I give example from hadith.
        Bukhari [9:93:482] says-"…..O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in
        the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public…".
        Now it is proved that Muhammad used to commit sins even during his prophethood. Now you should accept Muhammad as a sinner which I have shown you from Q+H.

        Now ask yourself what is the level of morality do you and your prophet possess. If you want to still continue to say islam is the best and Muhammad is greatest man ever born then its your choice. You have abused many times arya samaj and Agniveer ji here. I can do that too and say anything about muhammad but I do not because I am not the follower of a coward pedophile sinner who insults his ancestors because he has been taught the same. I am not the one who praises the rapists, looters and invaders who raped his own mothers and sisters and invaded his motherland to spread the coward cult called islam.

      • @Arya
        you are just reading books without consulting it with any scholar so therefor you make meanings of your own choice.
        thats the complete Hadith
        Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

        The Prophet used to invoke Allah at night, saying, "O Allah: All the Praises are for You: You are the Lord of the Heavens and the Earth. All the Praises are for You; You are the Maintainer of the Heaven and the Earth and whatever is in them. All the Praises are for You; You are the Light of the Heavens and the Earth. Your Word is the Truth, and Your Promise is the Truth, and the Meeting with You is the Truth, and Paradise is the Truth, and the (Hell) Fire is the Truth, and the Hour is the Truth. O Allah! I surrender myself to You, and I believe in You and I depend upon You, and I repent to You and with You (Your evidences) I stand against my opponents, and to you I leave the judgment (for those who refuse my message). O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public. You are my only God (Whom I worship) and there is no other God for me (i.e. I worship none but You)."

        Muhammad(PBUH) was the messenger of Allah. the whole Quran was revealed on him means the whole Quran was the message from Allah to Muhammad(PBUH) so he can tell the whole world. if these words were only meant for Muhammad(PBUH) then it should have not be included in the Quran because Quran is meant for the whole world.
        as far as hadith is concern, you just know there are hadiths but you dont know what does it stand for. haidths means the way of life Muhammad(SAW) lived, try to live that way and act open on the things which Muhammad(SAW) asked muslims to do. He was praying To Allah and we all know only Allah can forgive us. Muhammad(SAW) set an example by praying this (even though he was the best man on earth that has ever been sent in the world, and he even did not do a single sin in his life) that muslims always should pray to Allah and keep on asking
        you felt bad because i said wrong about agniveer and arya samaj. Bro Arya as far as agniveer is concern, the main purpose of him to make this web site to increase the differences betwen hinduism and Islam. he is a faggot a double standard person, whose rules are different for muslims and different for hindus. as far as you arya samaj is concern, why i call them coward there are two reasons. 1st that they can not raise a voice against dr zakir naik, they did not do peaceful protest against him, they did not held a press conference to ask Zakir for an apology .2nd reason is in this modern time they could not even transfer the vedas to english. According to you they have done so, so why not its on internet .you can even publish them by scanning pages. i would be more than happy with agni if in spite of making a web site against Islam and zakir he make a web site where one can see the actual english translation of vedas that way he could raise the voice against Zakir and can ask muslims and zakir to show a verse from vedas which zakir misquoted. but he did not do that/ he just made a web site so fool like you vik and me can fight on this .
        as far as you said about my abusing (these are your words i am just copying and pasting it) "You have abused many times arya samaj and Agniveer ji here. I can do that too and say anything about muhammad but I do not because I am not the follower of a coward pedophile sinner who insults his ancestors because he has been taught the same". and i am sure you must have read the comments of VIK about Muhammad(SAW) and Quran but if you have not lets see then "Vik · 3 days ago
        @tera baap

        why dont u take the quran and go shove it back up prophet mohammad's ass? Ur zakir naik enjoys kissing prophet's ass, why dont u criticize him? All u muslims know how to make false propaganda, and u cant argue with facts and logics."

        why did not you tell him the same thing which you told me or if you have not noticed that so would you ask him now ???????
        you all have double standards. i could not read the comments of "tera baap" since it has been deleted by agniveer and it should have been because i know he must have said some thing really bad about your scriptures but why did not he deleted the comments of VIK. this is the double standard. i know you will not call it double standard and i will not it your mistake because thats how you have been taught. rules are different for different people like same in vedas caste system brahaman shoodra etc

      • @Waqas

        Brother you gave hadith and wrote that Quran and Hadith are for whole mankind. Now you tell me, the verses in Quran which talk about marriages of Muhammad, Allah threatening to his wives when they opposed Muhammad, and many such things; hadiths talking about bathing of Muhammad and Aisha with the same pot, sucking the saliva of each other by Muhammad and Aisha, and many such things, do these verses and hadith have any relevance to the mankind? Moreover, there are many incidents related to the Arabs which are irrelevant for the others. Can Quran be still said as book for all and Muhammad prophet for all?
        If hadith, which talks about the sexual relation of Muhammad and Aisha, bathing of them together can not be generalized to any man other than prophet then how did you generalize the hadith of sins by saying that it is to teach to others but Muhammad himself was pure? Either generalize both or dont do it to any of one.

        As far as I have seen, Agniveer ji does not delete any comments. This is why you write here whatever you want. About Vik, I say that whoever started abusing was wrong. I did not read those comments of Vik and Tera Baap which you talked about. If Vik started it, he was wrong. But saying something offensive in the reply is justified and if that be the case then Vik did right.

        Brother I tell you a true story about childish mentality of most of the muslims. In 1920's sometime, two books titled as "Kishan teri geeta jalaani padegi" and "Unneesavi sadi ka maharishi" from Lahore were published by muslims. First book was full of abuses for Krishna and second one was similar for Swami Dayanand, founder of Arya Samaj. After publishing these books, muslims were happy that they have slapped the kafirs. After few days, Mahashay Rajpal of Lahore published a book called "Rangeela Rasool" in which life of Muhammad was given as per the hadith. Remember there was no abuse whatsoever for anyone. But muslims got infuriated that how can a kafir say something about our beloved prophet! A coward called Ilm Uddin killed Mahashay Rajpal and muslims gave him the title of Ghazi and Shsheed.
        This story proves the childish mentality of muslims that they can say anything to the beloved ones of others but when it comes to Muhammad, they think that everybody should respect him and whoever insults Muhammad, is "Wajibulkatl".
        I know in Pak, this story is not known this way and they say Rajpal as guilty and Iimuddin as shaheed. In fact you have made a tomb for this bastard ghazi in Lahore.

        So brother, come out of this mentality and respect elders of every faith.

      • @Arya
        dont give me these stories about mentality or etc u have your stories to tell and i have mine. u were telling about the character of white women so i showed you the character of your indian women. so in your terms its justify.
        i used to insult your arya samaj and agniveer because you people started insulting first Dr Zakir. who is arya samaj and agniveer for you? agniveer might be the husband of your sister but is he any kind of prophet to you or arya samaj are prophet for you? they are all normal human beings living in this world so like dr zakir. but you should have not abused Prophet Muhammad(SAW). did i ever use any bad language about your book Vedas ?? when i mentioned verse about Satti from vedas u said its a wrong translation ? did i even ever after speak about that??? despite the fact knowing that what Muhammad(SAW) is for us, u abused him because you dont have any thing left to debate.
        i am not going o debate you after that . i have never debated with any one before but i chose this web site because i thought of you all as a sensible person but you guys are nothing but double standards.
        can you show me what Tera baap has written against VIK or vedas . its been deleted but VIK s comments are stil there . thats what is your faggot agniveer.
        it was very disappointment talking to you.
        i am not going to debate to you any more

      • @Waqas

        brother, this is the mentality I was talking about. Should you respect only to those who are/were prophets? When you are always ready to insult the others then why do you expect that Muhammad will be untouched from the flame? This is just same as the incident I gave you before. If you dont have guts to listen about muhammad then never use such language for the other faiths or people.

        This is also interesting that you accept a person to be the greatest man ever born even though he used to take bath with his wife from a single pot (with many people witnessing), having sex/fondling with her even during her menses and violating the law of Quran and many more… If you believe such person to be prophet then Agniveer ji indeed is 10 times a prophet than muhammad! Brother, be neutral while criticizing the faiths. Only God is the one who is free from all sins, and if you include one person into this status, it becomes "shirk" in arabic and also it is insult to the concept of oneness of God.

        Hope you will come to your original dharma of Vedas some day in which you will not have to believe any person to recommend you for God's bliss.

      • @ARYA
        after reading this it definitely proves the way you are taking side of agniveer, it means agniveer does sleep with your sister. either your english is bad or you just dont wanna understand the translation. sex and fondle is 2 different things . you tell me when did i criticiz eyour faith or your book . it was you who always criticized and it was always me who responded. i criticized vedas by mentioning satti you responded that did i ever question about vedas again? if i did show me the proof? when you have nothin left to debate you started cullshitting about Muhammad(SAW) because you knew you were losing that debate and there for you played this card. today i ma writing last time on this page
        good bye forever to u all

      • @Waqas

        you are taking side of Muhammad, so does that mean you are Aisha's brother? You did not tell if it was just fondling, why did muhammad use to order Aisha to wear some cloth around the lower part of her waiste? you did not answer the question that- was not Aisha already dressed up according to the islamic dress code always if she was being asked by muhammad to wear something? what meaning do you extract out of this whole hadith? I have always said that we are debating Vedas and Q+H. Whatever I write here, I give references only from Quran and Hadith.
        About Muhammad- What can I do if the greatest(?) man ever lived had such a character that quoting anything about him from authentic hadith looks bullshit to you?
        winning the debate- Brother, go to any of your pakistani friend or mullah, show him all the comments of our debate from the very first day and ask him about winning/loosing. You can do it yourself also by reading all the comments logically and cross check all the references I gave, and decide yourself who won!

        May Eeshvar give us the courage to accept the truth and reject the false. May God bless you brother, good luck for the future.

      • and the link you sent me about Islam vs arya samaj . it looks more like a homemade video than a debate. the author of that video stated that msulim one of the guru of dr zakir naik have you ever ever seen him on peace tv????? can you see any other videos of him?? and the debate is happening in front of no more than 50 people. wah what a debate you did ?? wah . VIK actuallly before showing me this video you should have put your nose in water for some time so you could feel the embarassment.

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, see this link about ur pakistan,

        and it is shamefull for u that u didntnt recogince abdullah tariq of peace tv, even a dog knows all the bones in his dog house, but u dont know about abdullah tariq. THis video may look home quality thats because we dont have access to petro doolars like zakir naik of terrorosts funds. Now u see ur own islamist losing a debate to arya Samaj, so now u talk of excuses. BRother y dont u admit that Vedas are the only truth not the quran

    • @Waqas

      Waqas, its sad to see that u behave childish at times. Brother, in america this no such thing called a sharia law, where a woman gets killed if she converts. White women are like experiment type, they enjoy trying out new things, even relgion. I bet many arab country women want to leave islam but they fear the severe punishments. At least hindus or christians dont have some shit law like that. One more thing, we hindus dont do dawah like muslims or evangelists like christians and recruit people to our religion. Vedic dharm is the religion of humans, and we let them live the way they want. SO dont consider our goodness our weakness. By the way, ur islam isnt too good either, check out how many people leave islam and dont forget to see the last video, a molvi (muslim religous leader) left islam.


      • @Waqas

        Waqas, listen to one thing. We dont have to respect islam because its a foreign religion which did not originate in Pakistan/India. The real religion that originated in ur Pakistan is Vedic Dharma. But u should respect it since ur ancestors were vedic followers. U know very well, if they werent there, u would not have been here. ON the other hand, we dont have to respect islam, but look how nice we are, we still show respect for it. Waqas, tell me one thing, suppose when u were little child and invaders enter ur house and kill ur parents. THe invaders take u with them. Will u consider those asshole invaders to be ur real parents and defame ur original parents?

      • @VIK
        i know you have nothing left to say after seeing 20,000 americans converting to Islam every year therefor you started giving emotional dialogues. bro religion can not be originate from a country . There is no concept of domestic religion or foreign religion. a true religion is true religion and Islam is a true religion so you should accept the true religion

      • @VIK
        you know after reading your comments about muslims leaving Islam i could not control myself to laugh . i know yoiu are not lying there might be muslim leaving Islam too but show me the authentic figure the way i showed you the authentic figure of a White christian reporter who came up on tv and stated more than 20 thousnad americans r converting to Islam and that figure has already been approved by Guiness world records too.
        So if a vedic leaves india and start residng in USA what does that mean he is not hindu any more . Thats the weakness of your religion you are preferring your country to religion but we are muslims for us Islam is our first priority . We can sacrifice more than 100 pakistan;s on our religion . you dont care about white since they are not from india. shame on you vik we muslims dont think that way for us the whole humanity is equal they are our bother and sisters too and they are on wrong path like you . we want all of you to choose the right path and mashah Allah we are succeeding in it. Keep barking about 72 virgins and other things inshah Allah it wil not effect even .1 percent of thise people who want to be muslims.
        YOU DONT NEED to put videos of muslims converting to hinduism
        i can put 100 times more than you and you knw that too
        here is a link of shankar acharya accepted Islam
        heres another one
        here see what arya samaj president and shankar acharya saying about islam
        now laugh at yourself

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, what will u get by showing me a bunch of fake retards. The shankaracharya who accepted islam, go read his history in the first place. THis retard's name is ahmed pandit. Its surprising that all u muslims who lose to me in debates show me these videos over and over. Brother, ahmed pandit is not a public figure, that is why, I told many people, arrange a debate with me and him. Religon for religion. If he beats me in a 10 minute debate, I will accept islam. All i need is 10 minutes to strip him off of his dignity. Its an open challenge to him. But the problem is many muslims fear in debating me. Oh ya, waqas, check this out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32t0at0pZow …..Waqas getting back to our debate, u still couldnt refute my points of apostates and sex slaves.

      • @VIK
        VIK what did you get after showing me a mullah converted to Christian ? If i show you some thing you say its fake and if you show me something that means its original. ok i agree the pandit or the girl who accepted islam are fake and the mullah converted to Christianity is fake too. show me the authentic proof where a neutral person report about conversion of muslims. i know there would be muslims are changing their religion but not many the way people are converting to Islam . the proof i showed you it was not broadcasted by aljazeera it was broadcasted by an english christian channel and the person who is interviewing and stating 20 thousand christains converting to Islam is a chrsitian too . thats the fact i am talking about it. Dont blame me it was you who started showing me a video where a single women left islam and single mullah left islam . i can show you 100 times more than those. If a hindu acharya leaves islam he is fake but if a muulah leaves islam it cant be fake . what adouble standard you have. the problem is here VIK i m the only one here fighting to you all. there is not a neutral person who could analyze things otherswise he would ve told you to leave the debate because you have already lost it . You could not even answer my question about eating plants and vegetables ??? you need justifiation can you proof scientifically whether a person and animal has a sould and plants does not. ??

      • @VIK
        i can show you more than 100 times videos of thosew who left Hinduism after realizing its true nature ,
        you mentioned in your previous comments that human bheings and anilmals have sould plants does not so there for we can eat plants. How do you animal have souls? show me a single animal which can speak and can say i know what i am which animal say i am an animal. since plant cant speak so that means we can kill then and eat them. i asked you before too to consult with botanist he would tell you plants cry planst laugh plants feel pain too.
        so brother accept it at least you have lost debate on this topic and start eating non veg too . nothing going to happen .

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, I told u before tooo. Only humans and animals have souls. The reason why know is 1)animals will hunt and move around for their own food. 2) they will respond or run away if someone like humans or other animals come to attack them. 3)look at chickens, when they see danger, they run away, because they know that they are chickens and they have to protect themselves. Now, do u see plants walking and running. When i bring a sccissors to cut plants, why dont they back away, instead of standing still and let me cut them. Plants are unalert. For the sake of argument even if i agree plants have souls, we only eat them when they die, or eat parts of them without killling them and those parts always grow back. Suppose if someone cuts ur hair and eats it, will u mind? No ur hair will keep growing, Now if zakir wants us to eat the entire family of creatures, besides plants and animals, why doesnt he eat humans, Our digestive system can digest humans tooo. Besides with humans u will get far more nutrition then animals, and moreover after eating humans, u will behave nicely like humans tooo? LOL, Waqas, people like u who follow fanatics become fanatics

      • @VIK
        the answer i m going to give it you it would be your final slap to u of this debate and if you keep on barking again that would be your choice because you will only say bullshit after that and you would know that too.
        your reason no 1: animal hunt and move around for food.
        Answer : bro there are more than 300 Carnivorous plants which eat flies and other insects . i asked you to consult with botanist too but you did not and unfortunately you even did not research about it . go through with this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivorous_plant and you would come to know about those plants . you live in canada having ine of the finest schools and colleges and you dont know about these plants shame on you i was in 9th class when i came to knwo about a plant who eats flies. How it eats it open his cover as soon as fly gets in it close its cover so that clearly shows PLANTS MAKE PLAN TO EAT THOSE INSECT AND HUNT FOR FOOD TOO.
        your reason no 2: Animals respond and attack
        Answer : Human beings do that too. so you are trying to say if a person or animal is in coma and they cant talk listen see so we can eat them since they are not reacting back . i never expect that a person like you would give this kind of stupid logic.
        You say we only eat plants when they die lolz hahahahaha bro VIK we also eat animals when they die we dont eat live animals another another stupid logic .
        you say we cut those plants and they grow up again hahaha then start eating anilmal hairs nails your own nails your own hairs too because thats what is going to eb grow up again .
        for the sake of argument i believe wat you said about eating parts and those parts always come back bro VIK you should have researched alot before talking to me on this veg issue . What about Potato . Potato grow up in the land and their roots grow up outside . when a farmer has to pluck a potato he has to take it all including his roots too and then he again has to put new seed in it to grow again. Here s another link about potatoes so you can increase your knowledge about Potatoes . and there are some other vegetables too who grow up like potatoes .
        i think you should be given life imprisonment for killing potatoes
        you potato killer LOLZ

      • @VIK
        by barking here and there definetely proves that you have lost the debate. You did not answer about 300 Carnivorous plants . i speciefically asked you to read through that article but you did not read it at all. once you read those that would tell you how plants plan things to eat insects and flies.You also did not answer to me about POTATOES . you said you eat plants when they die on their own LOL start eating dead human being too and those animal too who die by their own . LOL and what about Potatoes i think you did not go through about the potato link too. go thru with the link and see how a farmer pluck a potato. since potato grow in the land and roots out side he pluck the potato by snatching the roots and on those places he throw the seeds again . you potato killers LOL
        another joke you said you dont kill living fresh plant i thin k then you dont eat fresh fuits and vegetables and all blame should go to farmer who pluck all this for you right ??? since human and animal moves so you cant eat them and plant does not move so you can eat them what a stupid logic . i have asked you several times to consult with botanist or search on internet about the plants you would come to know plants strive for food too . same case if you dont drink water you will die after 2 3 weeks same case with the plants dont give them water they would die too. stop takin oxygen you would die stop givin them Corbon die oxide gases plants would die too.
        i am sure you went through by the link i provided you and you have started beliveing plants have lives too but you are still debating just tom save your ego because you dont want to lose this debate but in real you already have lost this debate .
        you are asking me to provide that plants have souls?? you should ve never asked me this question . i think you and me know we cant even provide evidence about human being and animal have souls?? can we ?? or you provide me the evidence

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        Waqas, I told u many times, just because, plants can move or eat bugs doenst meant that they have a soul. Ur science is extremely weak brother, u bark without evidence. Humans and animals are classified under the same class called Animalia. An ur carnivours plants come under Plantae. GO get ur facts right. Animalia comes from the greek word anima, which means one who has soul, so if plants had souls, why not put them under this classification? Waqas, listen to me, dont teach me science, ok. u better get ur facts right first. Just because plants move isnt enought to classify them as soul holders. Brother Botanists themselves told me that plants dont come under Animalia class, then wot are u fetching about? Moreover, animals and plants forget classes, they arent even in the same domain, animals are in Eukarya and plants are in Eukaryota. Now do plants have nervous systems like humans and animals?

      • @VIK
        the thing is vik whenevr you get a slap from one fact you run to another one and dont worry you are going to get slap from this too. First you said we eat plants becoz thats not a living creature and when i proved that plants are living creatures too you said we pluck vegetavles and fruits without killing them and then you said we eat them when they die and when i asked you about Potato you came to animalia thingy.
        there is a famous saying think before you bark(speak).
        any way the classifications that you are talking about are made by men. even if some one has classified men and animal in a same class and plants in different class it does not mean that they are not living creatures any more . You and me considered to be normals, a person who does not have a leg or arm comes in the category of disables, a person who cant see comes under the category of blind a person who cant speak n listen under the category of deff and dumb so does theses disablities make them less human being or less value able lives. if plant does not have the ability to move and talk it does not mean that they are not living creatures any more. how stupid you can be? no plants does not have a nervous system like animal and human being they have their own nervous system. same like with animal, animals have different type of nervous system than human beings. so why match them, ? we are not talking about classifications here bro? we are talking about living creatures and science has approved that plants does have life too

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, ur the one barking nonsense facts out there not me. Waqas, I have given u scientific facts here, now if u still disagree, i cant help it. This classification was made by scientists not me. I am pretty sure they know more than both of us. Besides, if plants shared the same qualities as humans/animals then they would definitely be put under Animalia and not Plantae. Now that is not the case. I am not saying this, but scientists are. If u disagree with me, u disagree with modern science, which shows ur just an idiot. Plants and micro organisms move due to chemical reactions taking place, but these organisms dont know who they are, like animals and humans.

      • @VIK
        it was you started barking about eating live and dead things since you could not defend that so you now have come up to classifications . you know who you are i know who i am can you explain this to animal? only human being will know who we are and how we need to react. same case with animal? can u ask an animal who u r i know a stupid like you might ask but do u think he would he is animal or he is lion etc. same case is with the plants bro . since they cant speak it does not mean they have living creature. how a non living creature can grow u tell me. if i dont give water to a flower y does it die? forget about classes? modern science even does not belive in God so would u start beleiving in them too?? modern science does not believe in soul? would u agree with them on this too? modern science does not believe in ghosts too so dont give me this stupid science logic. According to ur modern science plants are living creatures, the germs are living creatures and i have given you simple example of insect eating plants . what would u say to them? insect has totally different nervous system than animals and so on with human beings and so on with brids and so on with plants . you potato killer you have lost this debate . i know you will never admit that and you would keep barking , i ve got no issue keep on doing it .

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, do u possess a brain of a donkey? what kind of stupidity are u talking about. U tell me that I have double standards, look at u? First u agree with modern science of their sensors showing plant pain and feelings and now why I slapped ur face hard with a scientific fact that plants are not classified under Animalia, now u say science is not advanced to talk of these things. Will u make up ur mind, either stay with science or not? Who told u modern science denies the existence of GOD, think before bark and try using ur donkey brain more effectively. Newton, Gallelio, Einstein, were all GOD beleiving scientists, want anymore proofs? Potatoes are living, thats the biggest joke i ever heard Waqas. Fanatics like u would even try to prove that toilet seats are also living creatures (LOL). Looks like after revolving around the blackstone of mecca u have become dizzy and now ur brain is not functioning properly. Grow up please. Humans, animals, insects, are all under animalia. Plants are not. This is a scientific fact.

      • @VIK
        every time you agreed to speak about vedas and quran but when you have nothing left to say you bring hindu s and muslims in the conversation.
        your hindu sisters are even worst than white christain women look at your celebrities they keep on changing their partners every day. so does that vedas tell them to do so???
        look at your realty shows where women spend nights with other people do steamy and sexy scenes just to get fame and money ? so does that vedas tell them to do so ?
        before pointing out my colleges and universities look your indian web sites where you can get thousands of hindus porn movies , hidden cam movies of your hostels and colleges and universities . som does that vedas tell you to do so ??
        you have more than 500 night clubs only in mumbai where drinking is allowed , dancing is allowed / so does that vedas tell you to do so ???
        bro i can go on n on n on but i m limiting myself here . if you have nothing left to say about vedas and quran just leave the debate .
        i think you come here for fun to take fun in debate .

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, I dont plug things in from the sky. I spoke about muslim women because in one ur replys u said somthing like hindu girls do bad stuff and asked is that what Vedas teach u? Brother, listen, lets just stick with Vedas and Quran. Otherwise, here u tell me, things about hindus, and I will keep telling u things about muslims and this agrument will result in a phase declaring both of us as idiots. THe truth is there are good and bad people in EVERY religion. I never said every hindu is good out there. Brother so far, u are running away from my demanding answers, Brother I told u many times to give me moral justificatoins to islamic verses of the quran.

      • @VIK
        your last paragraph shows that how big liar you are. your and my commenst have npt been deleted yet . U said u spoke about muslims women after wen i spoke about Hindu women. Tell me where did i get start speaking against hindu women or you are forgetting . you respond about muslim women when i was giving explanation about conversion of chrstian women i m just copying and pasting it from my previous comment
        " In hinduism women can show thier belly and back the way your women wear sarhi , in jewish they can do what evver they want so its better to choose these religions where they still have freedom to do anything. Why only Islam ? where they have to Quit drinking, Alcohol, Sex, they have to cober their whole body from head to foot. Why iSlam then ."and then you responded with this
        "Waqas, who told u that muslim women dont drink, brother, i have seen many muslim women doing things that even white women havent done. Especially Pakistan, go look in ur colleges aand skools and see wot ur muslim women are upto. Go to Heera Mandi in Lahore. I can send u more videos of people leaving islam, if u insist.""
        Tell me where did i say bad about your hindu women in my conversation . i said bad after when you bullshit about muslim women .
        so i think i have proved that you brought muslim women first so atleast give yourself a slap or apologize
        now coming back to your question about the moral justification of sex with slaves. Bro i have justified it many times but you dont want to understand because you have only point in Quran that you are dfiscussing again and again the thing is i cant justify it moraly untill unless we have the same criteria of ""moral"".
        in some cases something moral for you does not mean moral for me it can be immoral for me and like wise some thing moral to me does not mean would moral to you too .
        i give you an example if your sister or mother (i have huge respect for them, they are like my sister and my mother too) wears sarhi where her belly and back clearly visible to others may be moral for you but its immoral for me the same way polygamy is moral for me and its immoral for you.
        so there cant be a single criteria of being moral. I was reading a news other day where hollywood actor charlie sheen and his wife use to share their bed with another women too because his wife was bisexual thats moral for them but the same thing is immoral for us . so your criteria and my criteria of moral ism is totally different . i will not be ably to justify you ever.

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, u can clearly see, that u started all this. U first said, hindu girls show their belly, then i decided to talk shit about muslim women. Waqas, even hindu women wearing sari and showing their belly, I find that immoral and bad. I am not being biased here. I am against all evil or immoral things. Vedas definitely dont tell u, to dress up in this manner of exposing ur self. I prefer all women in my family to wear salwar kameez since its perfect of no exposing. Otherwise everythingelse is immoral. Brother, tel me one thing, do u see any morality in having sex with slaves? Waqas, I agree u need the permission of the slave to have sex with her, but even if she permits, do u still find that moral? Waqas, think logically brother, I think sexuality should only be done amongst spouses. Waqas show me one point of moral proof, of sex with slaves.

      • @VIK
        i did not mean to insult at all to your hindu women of showing their belly and back if i had that in my mind i could ve said the same thing which i said about christian and jewish women but i specifically said totally different about hindu women because i never wanted to insult your women . insulting your women was not at all in my ming i thought every hindu women dress up like this thats what i see on indian channels . i hardly see any one your women wearing shalwar kameez . khair thats a different matter. and i really appreciate if you prefer your own women to wear shalwar kameez . I m impressed.
        see even sex with slaves is allowed in Islam but you dont see this practice happening in todays muslim world. some one send a women slave as gift to Muhammad (PBUH) but Muhammad(PBUH) never kept her like slave. Muhammad(PBUH) married her and she was also became the mother of Muhammad's(PBUH) son. look out other hadith in many hadith,s it mention and Muhammad(PBUH) ask his followers to freed slaves. In that era, even if they freed slaves they dont have any where to go . slaves preferred to live with Sahaba's. so in order to fulfill salve's sexual satisfaction , some sahaba's did have sex with slaves but with their consensus. slaves were happy with them because they were treated badly before and they had been raped too. This thing happened only in that era. you wont see a single hadith where Muhammad(PBUH) ask muslims to keep slaves and have sex with them. so there for this practice does not happen any more, i know you have shown me the video of an arab keepin a slave since it was not proof but even if it happened. it was wrong

      • @Waqas
        You wrote-"you wont see a single hadith where Muhammad(PBUH) ask muslims to keep slaves and have sex with them"
        Brother you knowledge of hadith and Quran seems to very weak, just see below-
        1) We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.'Bukhari[1:367(1 is volume not book!)]
        2)Quran [33:50] states-
        "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee…… We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."
        3)…Sa`d said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners."