Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)

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A relatively new propaganda seems to be on rage these days – that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has been prophesised in Hindu Scriptures. This seems to be a great hit in major anti-India radical websites over last few years.

First, it is proved that the Kalki Avatar mentioned in Bhavishya Puran is none other than Prophet Muhammad. Second, it is also demonstrated that Vedas, the final authority in Hinduism, themselves sang praise of Prophet Muhammad.

In this series, we shall critically analyze the claims of this propaganda and bring truth to the fore.

The most popular promoter of this hoax is none other than the stage-performer Dr Zakir Naik who can recite page number, chapter number and verse number for any book on earth. His style is so hypnotic and entertaining that the audience no more has the space to check relevance of his references. The same style is evident in his writing as well, which form the basis of his memorized speeches.

And now, the confused youth has found a new passion that confirms their seat in Paradise. They would simply copy-paste from his articles and spread the good word around on internet forums, blogs and social networking sites. The print outs are circulated in colleges and schools. This is often very effective against certain less-well-versed Hindus who fall under the ploy.

I hope this article will at least serve as a ready reference for answering this propaganda through a similar copy-paste if nothing more. However if this induces an attitude of questioning among the readers to seek the truth, and at least reject the obvious falsehoods that come in this journey, I would consider my efforts to be fruitful.

This series is based on the original article written by Dr Zakir Naik and published on Islamic Research Foundation website. You can review the same here: http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201&Itemid=131

Before we get into a more detailed analysis, let us argue a few more points:

  1. Muslims have been in India for around 1000 years now. And for majority of the time, they were ruling this country. Why is it that Muslims could not discover this obvious fact in so many years? In fact, study of Vedas and Purans were more popular in those times than it is today! Why is it that no commentary on Vedas written by anyone since Vedas were first authored (they are considered the oldest books) could ever discover such an important fact which is to decide the fate of the world?After all, as per Dr Naik, the only way to book a ticket to Paradise is by believing in Prophet Muhammad to be the last Prophet and his message being the only authoritative message of God! Thus no message of Vedas can be more important than this message, if it is indeed a true fiction!
  2. If indeed Vedas could prophesise coming of Prophet Muhammad, why not consider Vedas to be work of another Prophet? Is it not a miracle that the oldest book on earth could predict arrival of the last Prophet! So, why not accept Vedas as book of God?The usual answer to this perplexing question is that Vedas may have been the first book, but Quran is last and hence only Quran has to be followed. Now my counter-question is that is God perfect or not? If yes, which is what Quran wants us to believe, then why could not God give his first book as final edition? If God knows everything, what made him change his own theories? This means that God is imperfect.Here, when trapped, the proponents weakly argue that God’s knowledge is same but the application changes from time to time. If that be so, should not a new Quran come now when the world order has completely changed from barbaric middle ages when Quran had to accept evils like slavery, polygamy and gender discrimination? Further, Vedas talk of rebirth. They talk of monogamy. They talk of Law of Karma and refuse belief in Heaven or Hell. They believe that nature, God and soul are beginning-less and endless. Creation and Destruction happen in continuous cycles. These are completely opposite to Quranic view of polygamy, one birth, permanent Heaven or Hell and this being the first and last creation of God that happened in few days a few thousand years ago. I can agree to some extent to future plans being modified by God as part of some grand strategy, but how can even God change the history of universe that had already happened even before Vedas came in Quran, his revised edition of message? Is God so forgetful of what he has already done? If that be so, what is the guarantee that he will not realize some more mistakes and send another edition of his message?Secondly, if indeed Vedas could predict about Prophet Muhammad, and Dr Zakir Naik sincerely believes so, should he not consider Vedas also as a book by Prophets? If not last, at least the first one? This is where Dr Naik’s corrupt tricks get exposed. He fears that any admission of any other books apart from those followed by believers (Jews, Christians and Muslims) being given by God may put him in Hell forever, as per instructions in Quran. So in another article of his, he flatly refuses to admit that Vedas are indeed books of revelation. He conveniently forgets that he himself has proved that Vedas gave the biggest prophecy of all times – the advent of Prophet Muhammad and claims that
    “ There is no text in the Qur’an or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the revelation that was sent to India. Since the names of the Vedas or other Hindu scriptures are no where to be found in Qur’an and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure that they were the revelations of God. They may be the revelation of God or may not be the revelation of God.”
    You can check it out on his FAQ on Hinduism in his IRF site (www.irf.net)
  3. We should also scrutinize what qualifications Dr Zakir Naik possesses to interpret Vedas? Is he a Sanskrit scholar or a Vedic Pandit? Or has he referred to works of any scholar? No! He simply lists names of some commentrators on Vedas in his articles whom he has referred to. Most of these are either western indologists who are considered authentic in first place, or some others whom only Dr Naik knows. Further he does not provide exact translation by any of the scholars and only writes out the commentary that suits his predrawn conclusion. Even the western indologists did not hint on even remotest reference to Muhammad! Thus all Dr Naik has done is following the old art of marketing, “That a lie shouted thousand times becomes a truth!”
  4. And most importantly, by making claim of Prophet in Hindu Scriptures, this person and his gang have made greatest insult of the revered Prophet. They have denigrated the founder of Islam by their cheap gimmicks. Because, as we shall see in analysis, the verses cited by this gang to prove Prophet in Hindu Scriptures are actually talking about a demon and a mass murderer. For us, we have greatest respect for all religions and their founders. Thus we respect personal faith of each individual and are committed to stand against such insult against the sentiments of millions of Muslim brothers & sisters across the globe.

In next parts of the series, we will analyze the prophecy of Prophet in Bhavishya Puran and Vedas respectively. And we shall demonstrate how his agenda is to gravely insult both the noble Prophet as well as Hinduism.

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  1. Siva says

    Agniveerji;
    The Muslims claims that every human is born as a muslim but practices religion according to their bring up. So they claim non Muslim's revert back to Islam and not converted to their religion. What is vedic or historical opinion on this?
    Thank you

    • says

      Historically, stories of the messiah's of Islam are known to be full of loopholes. Even these gossip tales date no more beyond few centuries prior to Judaism. None of these religions existed when Vedas emerged and millenniums after that as well.

      As per Vedas, every human is born a human, that's it. The original religion is that of humanity which is already existing in our minds, but blurred by ignorance. All texts including Vedas are means to remove that ignorance.

      Any religion based on blind belief, fear, (non)science is opium of masses. Any religion where questioning is not allowed is danger to humanity.

      • Jacob says

        Agniveerji you said:

        If indeed Vedas could prophesise coming of Prophet Muhammad, why not consider Vedas to be work of another Prophet? Is it not a miracle that the oldest book on earth could predict arrival of the last Prophet! So, why not accept Vedas as book of God?The usual answer to this perplexing question is that Vedas may have been the first book, but Quran is last and hence only Quran has to be followed. Now my counter-question is that is God perfect or not? If yes, which is what Quran wants us to believe, then why could not God give his first book as final edition?

        i say:no one ever said that the quran is to be followed because its the last script… actually its to be followed because its flowless and preserved in its true form after the revelation. The vedda was written long ago by humans. And the language is not really alive right now. wts the guarantee you can give me that the vedda is in its correct form.. besides the quran has no scientific flaws, the quran was revealed in arabic and it is the only ancient language that is still very much alive and millions of people know arabic even today.. you believe wt the priest would say, not wt u actually find out!!!!

          • Jacob says

            yes i agree!!! so all the points you have shown are what the media propaganda does. show me a single quran verse which says kill the nonbeliver or a convert…

            in fact:

            surah al kafirun: surah 109verse1-6

            say: o disbelievers! i worship neither that which you worship; nor worship you that which i worship. And i shall not worship that which you worship. nor will you worship that which i worship. to your religion to me my religion.

            before you just talk out of ignorance just do research k. not what ya grandpa and grandma told ya..

            the jaazia tax was started by the invaders most probably in India. show me where the quran says to charge taxes from non believers in fact the quran says that every muslim should give 2.5% of his wealth every year….

          • Arya says

            @Jacob
            Thank you very much Brother. I have a request, please visit the link I gave you and provide your valuable comments on each point so that every Muslim Brother and sister get some courage to discard the false Hadith and condemn the terrorists like Zakir Naik. Can you believe, not even a single Muslim out of the thousands visiting the site, has condemned the terrorists like Zakir and Osama.

            Anyway, what do you say about Quran [9:29]-

            “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

          • Jacob says

            yes brother its there but why dont you read the whole verse. instead of misinterpreting… it is about the war the pagans waged to kill the prophet at that time.. god commanded to protect themselves by fighting back… this verse was revealed in teh battle field.. read the surah properly..

            the surah you just qouted 9:6-8 ( dont just jump to verse 29)

            and i anyone of the polytheists seeks your protection ( o muhammed ), then protect him so that he may hear the word of god. and afterwards convey him to his place of safety..

            same surah verse 3-5

            take them captive and besiege them, and prepare to ambush them. but if they repent and establish and pay the poor dude, then leave their way free.lo god is forgiving and merciful..

            and the verse 29 you just quoted read verse 30.

            Quran (9;30-31)

            Fight against such of those who have been given the scripture and believe not that which god has forbidden by his messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. and the jews say: Ezra is the son of god and the christians say the messiah is the son of god. that is theirsaying with their mouths. they imitate the sayings of those who disbelieved of old..

            ah alas see brother it was in the battle field against the yahudis, nasaatas, kaafir or the people of the books. not some stupid tax collection like you think.the tax thing was done during the sultanate in india not islam. pay the tribute just meant use their resources as in their weapons and etc after they surrender.. like india uses weapons they capture from enemies. it is a at the battle field brother read the verse. dont just qoute just because some old ignorant showed it to you out of context.. thank you brother

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @Jacob ..when ill you stop lying brother

            Do you have a single account of Jews or Christiams attacking Mohammed?

            Mohammed was so cruel towards the the Jews that he escaped from his own quraish people and migrated to Yathrib (which he later renamed to Medina) ..He actually massacred them and that is well recorded in the Hadits

            The Christians never fought with Mohammed ..but still (:29 clearly instigates violence against both these religions as well as that of his ancestors (paganism)

            You lied about protection in 9:6 ..9:6 states that “grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur’ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure”

            so it means only those will be protected who accept Islam ..otherwise their heads are chopped.

            Quran 9:7 has been abrogated(canceled/substituted) by 9:5 ..here is complete 9:5
            Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

            Once agin ..only those lives are spared who convert to Islam

            The Makka belonged to the Quraish..the Medina belonged to the jews.rabs and christians alike ..Mohammed changed all that forever .his book incited hatred and lot many people were slain and subjected to the loot and plunder that is hallal in Islam

            EVEN ALLAH TAKES 1/5th OF THE WAR BOOTY ..does that sound like religion of ‘peace’ ?

            as i told you bro ..don;t paste zakir comments here …post your originals ..these silly arguments of putting abrogated verses as true islam has been debunked many times

            UNFORTUNATELY the real Mohammed is lost ..what remains is what the arabs are pushing through anti-humanity people like zakir naik who are hell bent on killing apostates, forbidding others from pacticing their religion and forcing the hadits on dumb minds who don;t even know that the Hadits are the biggest blasphemy on the real prophet Mohammed .who may not have been what the hadit and the later added quranic verses show him as

            wake up!

          • Jacob says

            dear brother,

            peace be unto you for striving to find the true pathe. but brother you have been brainwashed by your ancestors. what is all this talk about a Zakir Naik MBBS, im not Indian and Im not an arab, Why do you instead of answering my questions, keep insulting Zakir Naik, i never said anything about him. This shows that this is nothing but a hate Naik fan page..

            And i dare you to show me where does it say that god gets 1/5th of the war bounty.. do not make up things as you wish.

            verse 9:6-8

            and i anyone of the polytheists seeks your protection ( o muhammed ), then protect him so that he may hear the word of god. and afterwards convey him to his place of safety..

            tell me does it say that if he does not accept islam he will be killed. no it says that let him be and maybe one day he might be guided to the true pathe…

            the verse you qouted: Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

            I wonder where you got that from, most of it is fine but you have changed some words for your own benefit. first check whether your version is authentic.

            And answer me brother you keep talking about so many sects in islam, which was already prophesized by prophet muhammed. what about hinduism so many wrongs doings. Caste system Brahmana, sattriya Vaishya Shudra. people are not even treated equally, our religion is the only religion which gives equality to human beings, we dont even have priesthood. what about all this piercing the body with spikes, walking on fire, rolling naked on the floor. agni pooja, child marriages child abuses. Tell me hasnt hinduism gone astray from its original form and your blaming the true way of life islam for some sects which were created recently by the way by anti islamic organizations.

            why so many prostitutions and rapes and murders and loots in India brother. why cant sanatana dharma change it. by god check the crime repots on any islamic country and you’ll no that its the most less in the whole world. not a single murder, a few rapes but that raper is put to death, women are protected. no robberies. So what does sanatana dharma do, besides its incomplete.. Sanatana dharma does not explain anything it just says god i one and scientific stuff like that fine, but it doesnt explain what happens when you attain moksha. doesnt explain why we were created and the purpose of life. And the whole bliss concept is incomplete.

            and by the way god did not first create us to worship him, man(adam and eve) were created and put in heaven. but satan (the fallen angel) disobeyed god to service the humans as he was egoistic and arrogant. then he challenged god and had adam commit the original sin. Then god furious threw them to the earth. thats how it started. Hell was for everyone of the umma that followed Satan. And dude prophet Noah existed long before sanatana dharma even found. find out about Noah and his life. His ship ark was found in a forsaken mountain in turkey recently. science proves its period which it was built. long before sanatana dharma existed.

            now answer me???? do not go on abusing some Naik and try to hide behind your computer. just answer me????

          • Indian Agnostic says

            ❰@Jacob: peace be unto you for striving to find the true pathe. but brother you have been brainwashed by your ancestors. what is all this talk about a Zakir Naik MBBS, im not Indian and Im not an arab, Why do you instead of answering my questions, keep insulting Zakir Naik, i never said anything about him. This shows that this is nothing but a hate Naik fan page.. And i dare you to show me where does it say that god gets 1/5th of the war bounty.. do not make up things as you wish.❱

            Peace be unto you too brother.

            hating the likes of zakir naik’s who hate humanity and endorse killing of apostates and subjugation of non-muslims is not only my responsibility BUT YOURS TOO!…………that is why you must first clear your stand onhttp://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/ to help us understand if humanity means anything to you or not………….anyways, assuming you would do that immediately here’s my response

            ALLAH and messenger getting 1/5th of the war booty (4 translations by the best known translators VERBATIM)

            ❪Quran Sura AL-ANFAL Verse 41
            Al-Hilali : And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, VERILY ONE_FIFTH(1/5th) OF IT IS ASSIGNED TO Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)], (and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad SAW) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) – And Allâh is Able to do all things.
            Pickthal :And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! A FIFTH THEREOF IS FOR ALLAH, and for the messenger and for the kinsman (who hath need) and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if ye believe in Allah and that which We revealed unto Our slave on the Day of Discrimination, the day when the two armies met. And Allah is Able to do all things.
            yusufali :And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.
            Shakir: And know that whatever thing you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if you believe in Allah and in that which We revealed to Our servant, on the day of distinction, the day on which the two parties met; and Allah has power over all things.❫

            happy? ..i am surprised that you don;t know your Quran at all :( and are still defending it …on what grounds?

            ❰@Jacob: verse 9:6-8….and i anyone of the polytheists seeks your protection ( o muhammed ), then protect him so that he may hear the word of god. and afterwards convey him to his place of safety..tell me does it say that if he does not accept islam he will be killed. no it says that let him be and maybe one day he might be guided to the true pathe…❱

            No it does not ask to ‘let them be’ ..but ‘let them become’ – Muslims!

            here’s the exact arabic words and the meaning side by side

            9:5 clearly states “waaqamoo Al-SALATA waatawoo Al- ZAKATA” ..which means: leave those who establish Salat(prayer to Allah) and give alms(Zakaat) …in short convert to Islam

            9:6 -> “Wa-in ahadun mina almushrikeena istajaraka faajirhu HATTA YASMAA KALAMA ALLAHI”…that is leave them UNTIL THEY HEAR THE KALAAM OF ALLAH ..again the message is clear ..if you accept the kalaam of Mohammed’s god , you’re safe and sound..otherwise your head rolls on the ground

            You need to learn a lot brother @Jacob..I know that your heart is beautiful in-spite of the Quran and NOT despite of the Quran ..that’s the whole irony of believing in the whole of quran :(

            ❰@Jacob: the verse you qouted: Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful……I wonder where you got that from, most of it is fine but you have changed some words for your own benefit. first check whether your version is authentic.❱

            I quoted Al Hilali’s translation VERBATIM which preserves the Arabic text so that there is no confusion at all.

            please check yourself here 9:6-8 herehttp://www.thequran.com/Read.aspx?t=5&s=9&fv=6&tv=8 ..no need to change an already violent verse :(

            brother ..i am seeker of Truth..i cannot seek truth by lying …i have to discard all falsities to arrive at the truth ..and that forbids me from lying myself ..you should do the same.

            ❰@Jacob: And answer me brother you keep talking about so many sects in islam, which was already prophesized by prophet muhammed. what about hinduism so many wrongs doings. Caste system Brahmana, sattriya Vaishya Shudra. people are not even treated equally, our religion is the only religion which gives equality to human beings, we dont even have priesthood. what about all this piercing the body with spikes, walking on fire, rolling naked on the floor. agni pooja, child marriages child abuses. Tell me hasnt hinduism gone astray from its original form and your blaming the true way of life islam for some sects which were created recently by the way by anti islamic organizations.❱

            Indeed Hinduism has gone astray ..and everybody must criticize everything in ANY RELIGION that stands opposite to humanity and the golden principle of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” ..you must denounce it in every way on hinduism sites ..this aint one by the way

            MORE IMPORTANTLY DON’T MISS THE POINT …THE EVILS OF HINDUISM DO NOT MAKE THE EVILS OF ISLAM RIGHT …correct?

            since you have mentioned the evils of Hinduism, let me anyways give a quick response to do justice to your question

            Caste System(Brahmana etc) : Do you know that Caste System is a cultural problem of India and not Hindu problem? Indian Muslims are divided in to Afzlas, Ajlafs, Arzals…Chistians are divided into Born,Brahmin,Dalit Christians…Jews are divided into White,Black Jews …there’s some problem with the social makeup of India that promotes such division and as you can see it’s not religion ..something needs to change in the Indian mindset

            Islam follows a strict principle of preisthood( Mullah driven society) ..untill the ottomon empire collapse , war booty had a well defined channel ..from kings to sultan to emir to khalifa ..you must study your religion seriously

            Child marriage and child abuse : While very few the Hindus of Rajasthan still follow this practice ..there’s an essential differnce …Hindus marry a child to a child ..Islam allows an 80 year old man to marry a 9 years old child ..that’s gross..Islam legalizes this practice

            The Indian government has abolished the practice of child marriage and it’s punishable under law ..In Islam if an 80 year old maniac marries a 9 year old child ..It’s legal and people celebrate….It’s that disgusting..you talking about child abuse from the viewpoint of Islam is preposterous brother.

            ❰@Jacob: why so many prostitutions and rapes and murders and loots in India brother. why cant sanatana dharma change it. by god check the crime repots on any islamic country and you’ll no that its the most less in the whole world. not a single murder, a few rapes but that raper is put to death, women are protected. no robberies.❱

            You are reading news from the madrasa i guess…who told you that Islam creates a utopian society…Rapes go unreported in Islamic countries because the VICTIM has to prove the rape with FOUR WITNESSES ..such is vicious doctrine of Islam that unless a woman is raped in a stadium ..she cannot prove rape ..what’s more , if she cannot prove it then she is STONED TO DEATH instead ..This is not only injustice but death of justice and height of barabrian male supremacy

            read the surveys of world women organizations ..90% women have been physically abused in the land of pure(Islamic Republic Pakistan ,same goes for Saudi) …there are some 70% women in pakistani jails for the severe CRIME of being RAPED by devout Pakistani muslims

            Islam clearly establishes ,male superiority over women ..prophet Mohammed in a hadit clearly states “NO husband will be asked as to why he beat his wife”

            ❰@Jacob: So what does sanatana dharma do, besides its incomplete.. Sanatana dharma does not explain anything it just says god i one and scientific stuff like that fine, but it doesnt explain what happens when you attain moksha. doesnt explain why we were created and the purpose of life. And the whole bliss concept is incomplete.❱

            Your ignorance cannot be your argument brother. read this http://agniveer.com/1985/why-did-god-create-us/ and your confusion will vanish

            ❰@Jacob: and by the way god did not first create us to worship him, man(adam and eve) were created and put in heaven. but satan (the fallen angel) disobeyed god to service the humans as he was egoistic and arrogant. then he challenged god and had adam commit the original sin. Then god furious threw them to the earth. thats how it started. Hell was for everyone of the umma that followed Satan. And dude prophet Noah existed long before sanatana dharma even found. find out about Noah and his life. His ship ark was found in a forsaken mountain in turkey recently. science proves its period which it was built. long before sanatana dharma existed.❱

            You haven’t read the quran..the God of islam is worship hungry ..the only criteria to enter his heaven is to worship only Him ..others go to hell even if they are great human beings.

            and the silly mythology of creation which you believe in , don’t these questions arise in your mind?
            ➔We are not products of incest between the siblings of adam and eve.
            ➔why did God created Satan as Evil ? Isn’t God supposed to be perfect ?
            ➔Why did God change his committment by throwing Adam out of heaven? How did Adam got his place in Heaven in the first place?
            ➔Why did god allow Satan the freedom to lead Humans astray? ..what was the fault of Humans if satan didn';t bow to Adam?

            all these and many more questions can be raised against the naive story that you have shared and unfortunately blindly believe in.

            as far as Noah’s ark is concerned …please start reading stuff from outside your madarsa library

            here’s the scientific view on the myth of Noah’s ark found in turkeyhttp://news.nationalgeographic.co.in/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/

            and here’s the definitive proof of the hoax of Noah’s Ark Found? Insider Randall Price Now Says Discovery May Be a Hoaxhttp://www.aolnews.com/world/article/noahs-ark-found-insider-randall-price-now-says-discovery-may-be-a-hoax/19459208

            Grow up Bro!

            ❰@Jacob: now answer me???? do not go on abusing some Naik and try to hide behind your computer. just answer me????❱

            Hiding behind a computer is the SANEST thing to do when you are discussing Islam..It’s highly intolerant of criticism.

            look how the topmost Imam of India behaves when questioned ..this is yesterdays news ..as fresh as it gets..he is questioned and he starts fighting with the reporter

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lFwZVz_fqM

            fighting and shouting like a goon ..is that what what you call a spiritual leader ..it’s foolish to try to question Islam face-to-face ..It’s intolerance has taken and can take many lives.

            Internet is a real peaceful medium …you can state the fact without receiving such rustic treatment by the best muslim in the society

            hope you got my point.

            also, since you are not an Indian ..you do not know about zakir bhai mbbs ..he is the one who started all this exrecise ..I would have rather played chess than discuss something as irrational as quran or puran or bible

            Zakir Naik lied and not only that ..he is pushing the intolerant political version of Islam in India ..i will oppose it tooth and nail wherever i can

            Best Regards

          • Arya says

            Brother Indian Agnostic
            Superb! Really very informative Brother. Your each comment looks like an independent article with full of information, logic and quotes from the scriptures!

            May the efforts of all humanitarians pay off soon.

          • Indian Agnostic says

            Brother Arya

            there are many brothers like @Jacob bro who have not gone through their own doctrine completely..(thankfully! as they are as humanatirian as you and me bcoz of this very fact)

            I hope they really investigate it themselves .i am just contributing a byte ..the rest of it they have to themselves thoroughly question ..they must ask their clerics about this obviously anti-human verses and accept that anything that harms humanity cannot be the word of God

            I hope they are open to constructive criticism and rational exploration …the rest of the job will be done by the innate human compassion that is latent within them

        • Indian Agnostic says

          @Jacob

          1) Vedas are not books ..Vedas means knowledge and have been transmitted uninterrupted in the guru-shishya (teacher-disciple) tradition..there are ten ways in which this knowledge is transmitted through different schools ..so there are ten check points to not only detect errors but correct them too [this is differenmt from thge seven ways in which quran is read ..that was just for the ease of recitation and not grammatical correction]

          2) Sanskrit is the mother language of all languages of the world …while arabic was a not at all a developed language..it still isn;t good .The original Quran was written without the diacritical marks ..they are a later addition…and wait for a few days your misconception about the non-corruption of quran will be cleared forever

          3) Vedas, for spiritual seekers are descriptive guides not enforced practices ..So if you don;t believe in Vedas nobody cares ..you may leave Vedas ..still nobody cares …contrast this with those who leave Islam ..KILLED! ..which God would be as foolish to FORCE people to follow him? ..Only SATAN does that ..it tortures you and seduces you with violence and sex ..need i say more?

          4) Sanskrit is most respected language of the world ..arabic or any other language cannot even dream to match is precision of it’s framework ..even scientists admit that…Arabic has evolved over time ..so much so that Alif(A) was not part of arabic ..it has been imported by them ..can you believe that? .. a God dint know that the sound alif existed???

          so get out of your ignorance and explore the doctrine of humanity – Vedas

          • Jacob says

            the arabs still read arabic without the vowels bro, the quran was compiled with the help of the first caliph and to ignore any misconception the improper compilations were destroyed. and alif not in arabic. brother the word allah starts with an alif and the word muhammed has an alif and the word Kitaab(quran) has an alif and your saying alife did not exist in the language. i wonder where you get your facts. and then if sanskrit is so perfect why is sanskrit not used in the modern world. why has it become a forgotten language and the killing part is what you made up. god has given you the free will and you will be judged on the day of judgement. no one kills a person just because he left islam. its just what the media proposes to you people. its all satanists handiwork. did you know that a person would go to heaven even if he is a non believer if he never had exposure to the true pathe. didnt you people kill innocent muslims during the gujarati riots. it just depends on your innerself, you cant judge the doctrine just by one incident. make sense brother!!!!

          • Jacob says

            dude and all this talk about sects which non beleivers made up to divide the followers… what about hinduism then, all this cow worship elephant worship, walking on fire, hanging yourself with pierecd spikes, atha dance… im an intellectual person and i know that those are all made up and not what thh actual sanatana dharma says: i dont go on and on about it now do I????? why cant you give the same respect and dig deeper and talk abtual facts than what nowadays people bluntly follow not just talk about many sects and terrorism crap which was all a made up excuse to grab power of the middle east and control the Oil monopoly on earth… i dont go on about the nonsense ignorant hindus do now…

            A one without a second – is the description you give to god then dont you see the people killing each other with caste system as brahmana, sathriya, vaishya and sudra.. fight between shiva and muruga and krishna… you cant help it can you, people go astray thats the human nature.. dont give senseless arguments about bin laden and jaazia tax and killing followers just show it fro the text if you can. WITHOUT TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT AND MISINTERPRETING!!!!

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @Jacob

            first you must accept bro that the hadits need to be discarded and people like zakir naik should be condemned in unambiguous terms

            I strongly believe (and i have my proofs) that the hate filled verse of Quran and the lustful accounts of the hadits are a later addition by collectors like uthman etc.

            But when ‘intellectuals’ like you start siding with the Arab sponsored hate mongers like zakir naik , you pave way for a very intolerant brand of political islam which bows down to the hadits and the arabs

            If ypou are an Arab ..you may have every reason to push this kind of Islam ..but if you are an Indian ..you must think twice before falling prey to such dumbos

            an Indian mind is tolerant since thosands of years ..Christianity changed its face in India , Islam changed it’s face in India , Judiasm changed it;s face in India ..all because it’s base and it;s core is Sanatan Dharma ..

            Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah (May all humanity be happy)

            It’s time that ‘intellectuals’ like you sir take charge of the direction of Islam..reform it and let not 7th century champions like zakir naik derail the progressive Indian Muslim

            Anisa Sayyed won a Gold medal for us …..that’s an Indian muslim woman for me ..who is not half-intelligent as some books will have me believe …I salute her for she did what millions of hindu.muslim and christian men put together have not done for their country …if she was confined to a burqa inside the four walls of her home , we would have been at the third position in the CWG

            wake up!

          • Jacob says

            dear brother,

            peace be unto you for striving to find the true pathe. but brother you have been brainwashed by your ancestors. what is all this talk about a Zakir Naik MBBS, im not Indian and Im not an arab, Why do you instead of answering my questions, keep insulting Zakir Naik, i never said anything about him. This shows that this is nothing but a hate Naik fan page..

            And i dare you to show me where does it say that god gets 1/5th of the war bounty.. do not make up things as you wish.

            verse 9:6-8

            and i anyone of the polytheists seeks your protection ( o muhammed ), then protect him so that he may hear the word of god. and afterwards convey him to his place of safety..

            tell me does it say that if he does not accept islam he will be killed. no it says that let him be and maybe one day he might be guided to the true pathe…

            the verse you qouted: Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

            I wonder where you got that from, most of it is fine but you have changed some words for your own benefit. first check whether your version is authentic.

            And answer me brother you keep talking about so many sects in islam, which was already prophesized by prophet muhammed. what about hinduism so many wrongs doings. Caste system Brahmana, sattriya Vaishya Shudra. people are not even treated equally, our religion is the only religion which gives equality to human beings, we dont even have priesthood. what about all this piercing the body with spikes, walking on fire, rolling naked on the floor. agni pooja, child marriages child abuses. Tell me hasnt hinduism gone astray from its original form and your blaming the true way of life islam for some sects which were created recently by the way by anti islamic organizations.

            why so many prostitutions and rapes and murders and loots in India brother. why cant sanatana dharma change it. by god check the crime repots on any islamic country and you’ll no that its the most less in the whole world. not a single murder, a few rapes but that raper is put to death, women are protected. no robberies. So what does sanatana dharma do, besides its incomplete.. Sanatana dharma does not explain anything it just says god i one and scientific stuff like that fine, but it doesnt explain what happens when you attain moksha. doesnt explain why we were created and the purpose of life. And the whole bliss concept is incomplete.

            and by the way god did not first create us to worship him, man(adam and eve) were created and put in heaven. but satan (the fallen angel) disobeyed god to service the humans as he was egoistic and arrogant. then he challenged god and had adam commit the original sin. Then god furious threw them to the earth. thats how it started. Hell was for everyone of the umma that followed Satan. And dude prophet Noah existed long before sanatana dharma even found. find out about Noah and his life. His ship ark was found in a forsaken mountain in turkey recently. science proves its period which it was built. long before sanatana dharma existed.

            now answer me???? do not go on abusing some Naik and try to hide behind your computer. just answer me????

          • Arya says

            @jacob
            Brother, I am still waiting for you to give your comments on http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/.

            1. Quran [8:41]- “And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire [in war], a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger…”

            2. Regarding Quran [9:6], if you would have read [9:5] then your confusion would have gone! Here is what [9:5] says- “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem [of war]; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oftforgiving, Most Merciful”

            Then comes [9:6], whose context [9:5] is shown above. [9:6] talks about those who are ready to accept Islam, which says- “If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge”

            So it is clear that [9:6] talks about those who have accepted to become Muslims already and rest are to be killed as per [9:5].

            3. We talked about sects in Islam only because every sect of Islam calls itself as the true one and rest others as Kafirs. So in Islam, unless one knows which one is the right sect, he/she would be in hell for eternity if he/she belongs to a wrong sect. But in Hinduism, no one claims that only his/her path is perfect. Moreover they believe in rebirth and thus further chances to improve yourself and recognize true path is always there. That is why sects in Islam become important.

            By the way, we have discussed scriptures only and we expect from you that you will give proof from Vedas in your arguments. Different sects of Islam are evident from Hadith and thus you have to answer it.

            4. Have you read Vedas? If no, why did you say that Vedic Dharm does not say what happens after Moksha, and why did God create us? After going through the articles on Vedas and Law of Karma, you would know all these things very clearly.

            5. Can you tell us, why did Allah create us?

            6. When did Adam come down to earth?

      • Jacob says

        and agniveer ji once again you say that the quran says that the earth is flat, could you kindly give me the verse specifically because from what i read the quran says the earth is spherical and it roates in an orbit…

        surah36:verse40

        It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. they float each in an orbit..

        and about the more women being in hell and god is impartial in the quran…

        the logic behind that is that, tell me agniveerji how many women prostitutes do you find in india itself.. its is not like god will put them to hell impartially its just that they are more proned to do bad in the civilized society. you say we will let our women wear whatever they want, tell me agniveerji. would an average person even consider a second look if a woman walked past him in loose clothes covering her body and walking humbly.. wouldnt the same man keep staring at the same woman if she was to come in tight bikinis and short skirts, if he was not strong at heart he would rape the woman.. that is why we carry capital punishment to such wrong doers( men ). The man is put to death if he gets caught raping in an islamic state. but you say we wont follow such harsh measures we will let the mind control ourselves and all that made up theories but tell me agniveerji how successful has that been in the modern world society, human beings are proned to do wrong and that is why god ordered the law, tell me would you let your mother or sister walk on a road at night in a muslim state where a man is beheaded if he even dares to commit rape or would you let your mother and sister walk in a bombay street alone at night where you find so many so called sanatana dharma followers but still the city is full of corruption and evil with prostitute monopolys and rapes.

        and about the sects in islam: the prophet prophecized that the when the world would come close to the day of reckoning there will be many sects of islam and false prophets. tell me when was the so called qaadiyani thing start. it was in the early 1900’s. mirza abu gulam was an example to the so called fake prophets claiiming to be receiving revelation from god.. islam was at the purest state during the time of the prophet. all this sects were started by satanists, pagans and anti christs oriented people. as prophesized in the quran. if you just dont speak you imagination and actually research that the quran was completed before the passing away of prophet muhammed. read about the final serment and hajjathul wida.

        You say that islam has so many sects: what about hinduism, you say vedda is right and all these other scripts like mahabharat are fake and man made fine. Why dont you see the same logic when i say that the quran is true and all these recent sects made up by people are not true. you say the veddah is preserved in its original form when no one even knows how the veddah first came to existence. so your telling me that the so much ancient vedda is fully preserved even after the language is long gone but the quran which was revealed in arabic which is still a worldwide religion is fault. no one would know when the vedda gets altered but every one will know when the quran is even considered to be altered by some evil organizations.

        I dont believe in any sect im a muslim who believes in the one ness of god and he chose a few out of us who(prophets) were qualified to spread his message to the human kind and muhammed( the praised one ) is the last prophet i pray five times a day concentrating with my mind instead of worshipping any thing that has an image. we all give 2.5% of our wealth to a person in need every lunar year. we fast to understand the suffering in the world and for various other reasons.

        what about all the prophecies that are coming true.. the temple of doom which is going to be rebuilt by the people of the books( freemasons and pagans in form of christians and jews) dont you know about the palestine war. how did god promise the land to the lost sheep( the ones who were led astray ) and now they have finally captured it. how did the prophet prophecize this. how did the prophet prophesize that the pharoas body will be preserved by god until the end of the world as a lesson to the unbelievers and it was somehow found somewhere around 1950’s. its still in the museum of egypt i;ve been there. how is the body still does not decay, the nails and hair in their real form. can you preserve a body for atleast a 100 years with the orignal structure and the flesh and bones still intact. even with modern technology you cant. is this not the miracle of god. what about the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT theory. does not the quran say that the world will be ruled by one superior government preparing to welcome the anti christ and give him the throne to rule the world. isnt america already close to that objective, just think why did all the satanist communities are ruling the world for the past millions of years. werent the egyptians the most powerful, worshiping lucifer and do freemasonry, so did the romans. and now the USA, its freemason nation. look closely at the dollar bill why does it have a pyramid and the all seing eye of the anti christ. and how did they become so powerful. isnt is part of the prophecy of the closing to the day of reckoning…

        • Indian Agnostic says

          Brother @Jacob

          You are on a heavy dose of zakir narcotics …This site is for intellectual discussions ..not silly arguments of zakir bhai mbbs.

          The christian arabs laugh at the stupid distortions and taqiyya of zakir bhai ..taste this one ..the true meaning of dahaaha

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87MVeqlbV8o

          please try to come up with original arguments bro ..God has given you a separate mind from Naik for a reason ..can’t you see that?

        • username says

          Quran is flawless? go and wash your mouth while i keep posting the flaws here.
          the most talked about miracle of Koran is embryology! do you know Galen, Aristotle explained it before Koran? and do you know Garbh Upnishad explains embryology in astonishingly precise manner? and Garbh Upnishad is some 2000 years older than Koran. now , you may say Mohammad was illiterate and so he could not read Garbh Upnishad. . even i am illiterate so would you believe me when i say that? nope! only because i am not Mohammad and i have not written it in Koran. . let us suppose he was illiterate then also why would God reveal to him that the bones were formed in the embryo and it was clothed with the muscles?(23:14)
          * “Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh.” (Quran 23:14)

          now let us have a look at the embryology explained in Koran:

          blow into him the spirit (soul) and he will order four words (about the future) by writing: his
          monetary fortune, and his length of life, and his actions, and whether he is to be damned or
          happy in the hereafter.
          “And I swear by God Whom there is no other God except Him: it could be that one of you
          will do acts as the people of heaven until there remains only one arms length between him and
          it (heaven), and the writing ( of his future) will overtake him and he will do the acts of the
          people of the fire and he will enter it. And it could be that one of you will do acts of the
          people of the fire until there remains only one arms length between him and it, and the writing
          (of his future) will overtake him and he will do the acts of the people of heaven and he will
          enter it.” (translation mine) Transmitted by Bukhari and Muslim. (An-Nawawi, op. cit., p. 28-
          29.)
          We have here a Hadith which is reported to be from the mouth of Muhammad; attested to by
          the best authorities–Bukhari and Muslim; included in a special collection of Hadiths by a
          specialist in Hadiths; which has gross scientific errors. It follows the stages of the Qur’an
          exactly,…

      • rashid masood says

        actually you too know that thr is no religion best other than attaining peace [moksh,salvation] by submitting the will to almity allah[god,ishwar,parmatma] ..i.e. exactly means islam…

        but still trying to ignore..

        islam is the true religion accepted in the eyes of god..and prophet muhammad pbuh is not founder of islam but a re establisher of the true religion preached by all 124000 messengers all over the world…
        .so try to percieve the truth……

        • Indian Agnostic says

          Brother Rsahid Masood

          no religion can be true if it accepts the incapability of it’s god to preserve the previous scriptures.

          have you ever given that a thought ever?

          a God who fails in protecting his message thrice is almost sure to fail the 4th time :(

      • asif says

        PROPHET MUHAMMAD (pbuh) IN THE BIBLE
        by Dr. Zakir Naik

        Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:

        The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

        “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel”.

        1.
        MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

        Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

        “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

        The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

        If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
        Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
        fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

        However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

        i)

        Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

        [Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

        ii)
        Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

        iii)
        Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

        Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

        Words in the mouth:

        Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

        “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

        [Deuteronomy 18:18]

        iv)
        Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36).

        v)
        Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
        people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, “He came unto his own, but his own received him not.”

        iv)
        Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

        2.
        It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

        “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

        3.
        Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

        It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

        “And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.”

        When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra – “Read”, he replied, “I am not learned”.

        4.
        prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

        Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

        “Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”

        “His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
        of Jerusalem.”

        In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
        (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as “altogether lovely”, but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

        Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

        Al-Qur’an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

        “And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, ‘O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.’ But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, ‘This is evident sorcery!’ ”

        All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

        1.
        John chapter 14 verse 16:
        “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.”

        2.
        Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

        “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
        proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

        3.
        Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

        “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
        come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”.

        “Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of the
        Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
        Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
        Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

        Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
        that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
        Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
        Muhammad (pbuh).

        4.
        Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

        “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
        come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me”.

        The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

      • shafaq says

        @Agniveer- says Blah! Blah ! Blah !!! bravo Agniveer, you’ve succeeded in creating a platform to commit all the filth and hatred against a religion here. Who asks you to believe in Islam. Follow your own belief.
        But, do you follow Veda. Veda asks to worship one GOD: Rig-Veda 1-164-46 and Y.V 32-1 clearly mention that God is “One”; it is also said ” Parmeshwar ek hai, Parmeshwar nirakar hai. Huh, you don’t even follow your own religion. No offense but, How many GODs do you worship 100, 200 or may be thousands including some animals also. how could you be righteous if you don’t follow Veda.

        • GOD IS GREAT says

          Mr. Shafaq!

          Congratulations! You have exposed your mentality. Who asks you to visit Agniveer. Don’t visit such website if you feel bad. OK – I will apply your logic on you only. Quran 2 256 says NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION. Then why Muslims kill apostates??? Quran 5 32 says KILLING OF 1 HUMAN MEANS KILLING ENTIRE HUMANITY. Then why Muslims are always violent? Quran 41 34 says that BAD MUST BE REPELLED WITH GOOD (WHAT IS BETTER). Now, why terrorists are Muslims? Quran 4 19 speaks of KINDNESS & EQUITY TOWARDS WOMEN. Why Muslims beat wives then? I agree that Non Muslims don’t follow their scriptures righteously BUT even Muslims don’t. What’s the difference then? NON Muslims are NOT violent terrorists. I have yet to see a Judeo – Christian who becomes terrorist on reading BIBLE. I have never seen a Zoroastrian who becomes terrorist on reading Avestan. Never does news comes of a Hindu who becomes violent on reading Vedas. All NON Muslim religions are so peaceful that world perceives Muslim alone to be a terrorist.

          Now, coming to your allegation – Vedas don’t say that you shall follow us to be righteous. They are NOT written by a dark age person (Arabic merchants). Hindu righteousness is in deeds NOT in belief. All unlawful Hindu shall be punished but GOD isn’t evil enough to punish eternally for a small crime.

          The Arabs are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy: Quran 9 97.
          There is none among you who won’t arrive there (hell): Quran 19 71

      • Gulam says

        In all sense u are forgetting that the Vedas which u are quoting as revelation of God Almighty was the oldest and is concocted as the Holy Bible was.
        so stop blabbering abt Vedas.

    • human being says

      what to say! if i tell u that i talked to god and god told me about 10000 pages spiritual knowledge., u’ll belive it? that is happened with isalam

    • pratap says

      Hey hey COPY-PASTE, from where have you copied all this stuff.
      Step 1: Select the text to be copied;
      Step 2: Press Ctrl C;
      Step 3: Select the spot to paste and press Ctrl V. (And you can paste any “CRAP” from the Net!!)

      Dude, I bet you must not have even read the material that you are quoting!! At least edit the material you copied. This is the Comments section, meant for genuine debates and NOT quoting material from “UNRELIABLE” sources like Bhavishya Purana.

      • asif says

        yes dear i copied it from the article of Dr. Zakir Naik, If u people want to debate over this then if u have guts then go and challenge Zakir naik sahab. He will give u all answers but I know u can’t because the fact is fact u can’t hide it.

        • asif says

          What u people want to prove here?????if u have really believe that what ever u want to say is right then go and show the people that what is right like Dr. Zakir Naik…….

          but u people just debate only on internet b’coz u don’t neglect the truth…

          I challenge u go and do debate with Zakir Naik if u believe that u people are right

          • Vajra says

            asif
            Keeping in mind your Qadiyani background, let me ask you first, what is your take on your last prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani who said that whole Quran is full of abuses?

            Now please dont say that you are not Qadiyani, we know Qadiyanis too believe in Taqiya! To know more that you can never be any other than a Qadiyani, please visit http://agniveer.com/645/naikexposed/

          • pratap says

            No dear, I won’t debate with that pervert Zakir naik. In fact I consider you as MUCH more intelligent and HONEST (At least you confessed that You copied: I appreciate the spirit) than that lier ZAKIR, who is making fool out of all of us– Hindus and our Muslim Brothern. Please understand the motives of the fellows like Zakir; these mercenaries have an AGENDA– to instigate mis-understanding by CONCOCTIONS and ABUSES. Try and see that.

            Ok, you tell me one thing — Does it not hurt the sentiments of a Community when some fool who boasts of being a Doctor, YET indulges in the “Heinous” crime of FRAUDULENT Representation of the Scriptures of the Community?? This Man Zakir has lived to the impression of “Doctor”– He has DOCTORED all our scriptures to create a false image and a sense of hatred.

            So my friend please try and reason the info that you post. I am Not saying that what Agniveer says is 100% true, BUT to my experience the info on this website is “at least” 75% “sincere” (Only God can.be 100% correct). We are free to analyze and point out our doubts. Also Agniveer, to my knowledge, is NOT averse to any “genuine” correction that may be needed, if you with -honest- mind point out.

            Please understand that to make this site meaningful, useful and sincere contributions are needed from Muslim Brothers. Let us Debate in a HEALTHY SPIRIT without any spites. May be that we end up finding some “common” solution to our questions.

      • asif says

        don’t Debate with me I don’t have much knowledge abou other religions I just have knowledge of my Religion only…..so what ever u people want to prove can u have guts like Zakir Naik sahab????
        He never proves things like u people on Internet he always prove in front of thousands people….ok

          • asif says

            u people are lier zakir naik sahab never refused to debate over Islam,I saw his all videos he is a great man,I respect him so much and I saw that video also in which ur shankarcharya admired Islam.if u have not seen that video i will send u the link please see it then talk anything about zakir naik sahab

          • Vajra says

            asif
            Another side effect of listening to Zakir Naik along with dumbness of mind is addiction of watching videos! You did not even read what we gave you, most probably because it was not video and thus something which you dont believe in at all!

            I can send you the video of Abdullah Tariq Sahab, speaker of peace tv of ZAKIR NAIK in which he accepted Vedas as first divine revelation in the debate with Arya Samaj. Peace TV speaker was defeated badly in that debate.

            BTW Shankaracharya also admires that everything is GOD which is against Islam! So can i take Shankaracharya seriously in the matter of Din? If yes, why not believe everything is God, if no, how does it matter what he says about something which he has no knowledge of?

          • Vik says

            asif

            go google search or youtube search “islam vs arya samaj debate” then you will find out that Pandit ji has challenged Naik on screen

          • Vik says

            @asif

            yes, you are right that no one can hide the truth. This is the whole purpose of this site which is to present the truth. The truth about Quran, about islam, and most importantly, the truth about Zakir Naik.

            Why don’t you watch the debates that took place between Abdullah Tariq (Zakir’s guru and Peace Tv coordinator) and Pandit Mahendra Pal Arya of Arya Samaj. Zakir Naik was challenged millions of times by Arya Samaj but your Naik is running away not us!

          • Vajra says

            asif
            Why? Are we born losers? Why is Allah so unjust? Why he gave all guts to Zakir Naik? Why not to you?

          • Vik says

            @asif

            we always watch zakir naik videos for entertainment, his speeches are good laughter shows that make us laugh to the fullest. He is nothing more than a joker.

          • asif says

            Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyan was not the prophet b’coz in Quran it is clearly mention that Prophet Muhammad S.A.W(PBUH) is the last prophet….

          • Vik says

            @asif

            ya but many verses of the Quran were abrogated right? Shias say 17000 verses were present in the original Quran, but the one we have today only has 6666 verses. So maybe those verses claiming mohammad to be the last are the latest additions.

          • asif says

            Al-Quran is the eternal miracle. It is the last Book of Allah sent for the guidance of humanity through the last Prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him (PBUH).

            Revelation of the Quran

            The Quran was revealed piecemeal throughout a period of about 23 years. The Prophet received the first revelation in 610CE, in the Cave of Hira in the Mountain of Light (Jabale-Noor), two and a half miles away from the House of Allah in the city of Makkah in Arabia.

            The first revelation was the first five verses of Surah (chapter) Al-Alaq: “Iqra bismi rabbikalla dhi khalaq. Khalaqal insana min alaq. Iqra wa rabbukal akram. Alladhi ‘allama bil qalam. ‘Allamal insana malam ya’lam, ” which means “Read in the name of your Lord who created, created man from a clot. Read, for your Lord is most Generous, Who teaches by means of the pen, teaches man what he does not know.” (96: 1-5)

            The last revelation was the third verse of Surah Al-Maidah, which was sent down to the Prophet in 632 C.E. : “Al yawma akmaltu lakum dinakam wa atmamtu alaikam ni’mati wa raditu’ lakumul islama dinan”,” which means “Today I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor to you and have chosen for you Al-Islam as your religion.” (5:3)

            Surah Al-Fatiha (The Opening Chapter) was the first complete chapter to be revealed and Surah An-Nasr was the last.

            Divisions of the Quran

            Al-Quran is divided into thirty equal divisions, which are called juz in Arabic. There are 114 chapters, of varying length. The longest chapter is Al-Baqarah consisting of 286 verses and the shortest chapter is AlKawthar consisting of three verses only. The whole Quran has 6,236 verses (see Basic Stats on The Holy Quran )

            The chapters revealed before the migration of the Prophet to Madina are called Makkan, whereas those sent down after the migration are called Madinan.

            Topics of the Chapters

            Makkan chapters generally consist of brief sentences which are full of enthusiasm, poetical, lofty and brilliant. They stress the Unity and Majesty of Allah, the Most Exalted, Most High (SWT), denounce idol worship, promise paradise for the righteous and warn wrongdoers of their punishment in Hellfire, confirm the prophethood of Muhammad (PBUH), and remind humanity of the past prophets and events of their time.

            On the other hand, the Madinan chapters are lengthy and the verses are more prosaic. They outline ritualistic aspects of Islam such as Zakah, Fasting, and Hajj, lay down moral and ethical codes, criminal laws, social, economic, and state policies, give guidelines for foreign relations, rules and regulations for battle and the captives of war. They also contain descriptions of some of the early battles of Islam, condemnation of hypocrites, emphasis on the unified basic message of all the past prophets, and confirmation that the process of prophethood and revelation is complete, so that no Prophet will come after Muhammad [PBUH], no new book will be revealed, and Allah’s religion is complete through Al-Quran. So here Allah [SWT] exhorted the followers of truth to make Al-Quran as their only guide.

            The Importance of the Quran

            The Quran is considered the eternal miracle of Islam. It is the complete and best guide for living one’s life and seeking Allah’s pleasure The teachings of the Quran are universal, addressed to all people throughout the world regardless of their creed and color. They enlighten man’s soul, purify his morals, condemn all wrongs, order good deeds and call for the establishment of justice and fraternity through obeying Allah as the supreme authority. The Quran provides the regulations that create the proper relations between man and Allah and man and man. It leads man to understand his role in this world, encourages him to think and ponder, and guides him in the usage of natural resources. In short, the Quran provides all the guidance that humanity needs. Without the guidance of the Quran, humanity would still be groping in the darkness of ignorance.

            Compilation of the Quran

            The Quran was revealed piecemeal, according to the needs of the time. Angel Jibrail [PBUH] brought it to the Prophet [PBUH] who would memorize it. Afterwards, it was preserved in two ways.

            First, through memorization, there were a number of early Muslims who would memorize each revelation as soon as it was revealed and thus had the whole Quran memorized at the time of the final revelation. The tradition of memorizing the entire Quran still continues, and a person who does so is called a Hafize Quran.

            Second, the Quran was preserved through writing. Whenever any revelation took place, it was written at once on tablets, palm branches, shorn of leaves, or animal skin. This was done primarily by Zaid bin Thabit, who was the main scribe out of the 42 scribes of the revelation. The Prophet [PBUH] set the order of the chapters under the guidance of Angel Jibrail [PBUH] and ordered his companions to maintain that order. Abu Bakr, the first caliph of Islam, compiled the Quran, and Uthman, the third caliph, made numerous copies and sent one copy to each state capital.

            Eternal Miracle

            Al-Quran is the only ever living miracle. Today no other miracle of any prophet exists. According to a survey, the number of Huffaz (persons who have memorized the whole Quran) today is more than 10 million.
            Millions of editions and copies were printed and handwritten in almost every part of the world. They were also translated into most of the languages of mankind. During the period of over 1400 years since the Quran was revealed, not a single letter was changed. This is one of the greatest miracles of the Quran.

        • says

          Zakir Naik never accepted the invitation for debate with the arya Samaj, he have only guts to debate with people with less knowledge or in a controlled prereharsed situation, watch the vdo in youtube where Zakir brutaly avoids an invitation from a chritian brother, in the vdo with the debate with sri sri ravi shankar , sri sri ravi shankar carly says that when we go further through the vedas the vedas say,God created this world and he entered in each of it. Its a miracle that the muslims never heard those words( they cunninly avoided it and thinks they had the victory. Its realy a foolish paradise! In Miracle Land, Dream on

      • Vajra says

        asif
        And much more here

        1. Muhammad allowed rape of captives

        Sahih Muslim: Book 008, Number 3371:

        Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-’azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

        Book 008, Number 3373:

        Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl (coitus interruptus) with them. We then asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born.

        Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:

        Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

        We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah’s Apostle about it and he said, “Do you really do that?” repeating the question thrice, “There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.”

        2. Killing those who refuse to accept Islam

        Sahih Muslim

        Chapter 1 : REGARDING PERMISSION TO MAKE A RAID, WITHOUT AN ULTIMATUM, UPON THE DISBELIEVERS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN INVITED TO ACCEPT ISLAM

        Book 19, Number 4292:

        Ibn ‘Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi’ inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before meeting them in fight. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi’ said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.

        Book 19, Number 4293:

        This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ibn ‘Aun and the name of Juwairiya bint al-Harith was mentioned beyond any doubt.

        Comment: Thus, if any one of us has ever been invited to accept Islam (as done through Peace TV and websites), now we can be murdered by grace of Allah without any notice! Does Osama Bin Laden need any other justification? And That is why Zakir Naik cannot criticize Osama after all this?

        3. Killing Women and Children

        SAHIH MUSLIM Chapter 9 : PERMISSIBILITY OF KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THE NIGHT RAIDS

        Book 19, Number 4321:

        It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.

        Book 19, Number 4322:

        It is narrated by Sa’b b. Jaththama that he said (to the Holy Prophet): Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of the polytheists during the night raids. He said: They are from them.

        Book 19, Number 4323:

        Sa’b b. Jaththama has narrated that the Prophet (may peace be upon him) asked: What about the children of polytheists killed by the cavalry during the night raid? He said: They are from them.

        Read http://agniveer.com/1645/islam-practical/ or Sahih Hadith to know more

      • asif says

        Where Does the word “Allah” Come From?
        “Allah” comes from the Arabic word “elah” – (Arabic) means ‘a god’ or something that is worshipped. This word (elah) can be made plural, as in “aleha” and it can be male or female. “Allah” comes from “elaha” but it brings more clarification and understanding.

        Allah = Has no gender (not male and not female)
        * “He” is used only out of respect and dignity – not for gender
        Allah = Always singular – Never plural
        * “We” is used only as the “Royal WE” just as in English for royalty
        Allah =Means “The Only One to be Worshipped”

        Is “Allah” only for Islam and Muslims?
        “Allah” is the same word used by Christian and Jewish Arabs in the Bible, before Islam came.

        On page one [1] of Genesis in the Old Testament, we find the word “Allah” seventeen [17] times.

        • Vajra says

          asif
          “Allah has no gender”
          I wonder, Allah has whole body with hands, legs, eyes, but not …!

        • Vik says

          @asif

          1)Ok agreed Allah is eternal but it contradicts with the Islamic ideology. Islam or Quran claims only Allah alone is eternal but Quran claims Allah has been sitting on a throne, so this proves the throne existed with Him as well. If this is true, then Quran is proven false since it lies that only Allah is eternal. If Allah created the throne later, then was Allah standing on all this time? Did He get tired so that is why He created the thone???

          2)According to Mohammad, no body has seen Allah, really?? Then perhaps Mohammad forgot about the story of the previous prophets like Moses, who not only tried to see Allah, but also spoke with him??? How about Adam, did Adam not see Allah when Allah created him with his two hands??? Or did He load the Kun concept again???

          3) If Allah can simply create things by saying “Kun”, then why did he take 6 or 8 days to create the universe? Did His Kun concept not work that time or was He just too lazy?

          Why did He create Hawa or Eve using the rib of Adam??? Why not simply just say Kun and Hawa gets created?

          4)If Allah is not omnipresent how can He manage and create things here on earth??? Energy and Electricity always have to be present to show their effects on a particlular place even though we cannot see them but your Allah is amazing that He can sit on the seventh heaven and control things>>>>>

          5)Same old question. Was Allah interested in seeing a drama?? Did He get bored of being alone??? He needed people to praise Him since he was suffering from superiority complex????

          6)Allah is pure? Why does He order the slaughter of millions of animals every year?? If Allah is testing people whom does He test when a woman gets raped? The woman or the rapist? What kind of disgusting tests does Allah give people??

          7)He does not have absolute power over everything?? I thought you said Allah is all powerful? Why this contradiction?

          8)Yes, God does exist our internal feelings are enough to prove His existence.

          9)Allah has already pledged our destiny in a book, so how does Allah know how are we going to be? Since islam does not believe in multiple births, Allah could not even keep a track record.

          10)Yes, Ishwar only made one religion, manavta dharam or Vedic Religion in which everybody will gain bliss or punishments based on their deeds not if he/she believes in God or not. Quran was invented by arabs for a new adoptation by plagiarizing Bible and Torah.

          11)Many “scientific evidences” were hoaxes. And I did not come across a single famous scientist who validated the Quran. Quran being memorized does not imply it is from God. I can memorize Shakespearean plays so does it mean it was from God?? What about the abrogated verses?

          12)Maybe the arabs wrote the Quran taking Allah in the perspective of a king who sits on the throne and rewards/punishes people based on their deeds. The same is the case of Quran of heaven hell as well. Or maybe We meant Mohammad and Allah, after all you have to associate Mohammad’s name in every prayer right, you cannot pray to Allah without believing in Mohammad?

          • Vajra says

            Namaste Brother Vik
            Lets pray Eeshvar that Brother Asif will go beyond copy pasting and think with his own intellect about the beautiful logic you have given. Hope he, being a human, will believe in the intellectual capabilities, Eeshvar has given to him someday, which he is ignoring now.

          • Vik says

            Namaste Brother Vajra

            yes, it appears that Asif as no clue what he is copy pasting and does not even know that every single kid out there can refute his stupidity. Moreover, what can be expected from a follower of Zakir Naik!!

            May Ishwar bless this ignorant child with some logic and remove ignorance from his mind!!

          • asif says

            A Prophet of Islam – Prophet Adam

            Praise be to God, Who sent a lot of Prophets and Messengers to this earth. The first Prophet of Islam is Prophet Adam. Yes, we are talking about the first human whom God created, because he was not only the first human but also a great, respected Prophet of Allah. Know without doubt that humans did not come from apes. No matter how many people talk about it, it is not true. The truth of the matter is that Allah created Prophet Adamafter He had created animals such as apes and the like. Our Prophet Muhammadtold us about the creation of Prophet Adamand the creations which were created before him, so no one should believe differently about these things.

            It is well known that Allah is the Creator of everything you see and you don’t see. As you can see around you all the created things have a beginning. You know this about yourself. There was a time when you did not exist, then you had your beginning. The same is true for the earth, the things on the earth, the sun, the wind, and the sea. These are the things that people call “nature”. All of nature has a beginning. If Allah had not created nature, it would not have existed. Nature does not create anything. Allah, the Creator, is different from His creation. Allah does not have a beginning.

            The first thing which Allah created was water. From this “original” water Allah created other things. You see, this water did not exist at all and then Allah made it exist. No one other than Allah has the power to do this. We want to tell you that Allah did not need that “original” water to create the other things, because Allah does not need anything.

            After creating the “original” water, Allah created a giant creation called the ^Arsh. This is a platform with pillars which is the ceiling of Paradise. This really exists although we do not see it now. This platform is up very, very high above the stars and what we see when we look up.

            Before creating Prophet Adam, Allah created all the other kinds of creation like angels, jinn, plants, and animals. He created this earth and others earths. He created Paradise, Hellfire, and seven heavens which are above us.

            After Allah created all the other kinds of creation, Allah ordered an angel to take a handful from all the different soil types on earth. Since angels never disobey Allah, that respected angel did exactly that. Some of the soil was black, some was white, and some was red. He also took from other soils that have colors in between. Some of the soil was soft and some was hard.

            The angel brought all of this soil to Paradise. After the soil was mixed with the water of Paradise it became clay. Allah made this clay dry and hard. Then Allah turned this dry clay into flesh, blood and bones with a human form. After some time Allah gave a soul to this form. As a result the first man became alive. He was called Adam. From one of the ribs of Prophet Adam, Allah created a wife for him. Every human being comes from Prophet Adam.

          • says

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    • Indian Agnostic says

      Brother Asif Iqbal

      please copy-paste in the forum sections .This is the comments section for dialogues. you are free to run propaganda in the forums :)

      cc: @Agniveer Admin

      • shafaq says

        yeah Agniveer, what are you doing…you have copied and pasted so many filths published by Katiyars and togadias…congrats.

        • GOD IS GREAT says

          Mr. ShafaQ!

          This is a much better website compared to Agniveer. This will answer why Agniveer is against a terrorist. First refute this and then come here.

          http://godofreason.com/user/image/islamevilinthenameofgodebook.pdf

          I do not get one thing! What’s wrong with Muslim world that they don’t want a NON Muslim to survive? And what’s wrong with Allah who wants holocaust to occur in Allah’s name? And what’s wrong with you to support this evil way of life? All NON Muslims are migrating to NON Islamic nations and happily being apostates. My salutations to those lovers of peace.

  2. R-H says

    Hey…

    The holy prophet(PBUH) is prophecised in Bhavishya Purana…
    Please read this link
    http://bvml.org/tmi/SS_bpatpm.html

    The above article is written by an iskon guru ….
    Though he has quoted many things in support of his krishnaism, which I wont accept.. fully…
    But he has provided many other scriptural evidence and proved that Prophet Mahamad's religion is demons religion!

    • says

      Bhavishya Puran continued to be written till late 19th century until printing press came. Its an unreliable book. But even it does not spare Muhammad from being a demon.

    • Sunil says

      Neither hindus or India is mentioned in Quran, why? The writer had no idea of this country which was the world power at that time? Moreover more than half of the worlds population lived here at that time.

        • asif says

          The Quran is the book of guidance for the entire humanity. The Quran is the fourth and the final divine book by Allah almighty. Although it confirms the revelation of the three divine books before them, however still so many people refuse to believe in the Quran.
          The scope of the Quran is very wide. It has many topics, which should be taught to the Muslims. Even the awareness among the non-Muslims should also be created on these topics. The prophet hood of Muhammad (s.a.w) is a very important topic of the Quran.
          The prophet hood of Muhammad (s.a.w) is not of a regional or racial nature. He is the last prophet for all the people and all the worlds. It is depicted clearly in the Quran. Allah almighty says in the Quran,
          “Blessed be He Who sent down the Criterion (of right and wrong) that He may be a Warner to the worlds.'(Surah-al-Furqan (25), ayah 1)
          The same concept about the universality of the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) has been described in another verse of the Quran. Allah almighty says in the Quran,
          ‘And we have not sent you except as a giver of glad tidings and a Warner to all mankind, but most of men know not.’ (Surah-Saba’ (34), ayah 28)
          There was a time when people used to wonder and argue that how a person can be a prophet for the entire humanity. They used to argue that the world is too big and the distances are too much for this to be true. However, in just 1400 years, the world has become a global village and it is not hard to believe now that Muhammad (s.a.w) is the prophet for the entire world and for all the worlds. Allah almighty says in the Quran,
          ‘Say (o Muhammad): “O mankind! Surely, I am sent to you as a messenger of Allah – to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He); it is He Who gives life and causes death. So believe In Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write; who believes in Allah and His Words [(this Qur'an) the Torah and the Gospel and also Allah's Word: "Be!" - and he was i.e. Jesus-son of Mary], and follow Him so that you may be guided.”‘(Surah-al-A’raaf (7), ayah 158)
          The Quran does not only stresses the on the importance of the universality of the prophet hood of Muhammad (s.a.w) but also that Muhammad (s.a.w) is the last prophet. The religion of Islam is complete now and there is no need for any other prophet now. Allah almighty says in the Quran,
          ‘Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah, and the last of the Prophets, And Allah is Ever All-Aware of everything.'(Surah-al-Ahzaab (33), ayah 40)
          The very fact that the Quran is revealed to Muhammad (s.a.w) is the proof that there is no requirement for any prophet now. Allah almighty says in the Quran,
          ‘And verily, it is an honorable respected Book. Falsehood cannot come to it from before it or behind (it was) sent down by the All-wise, Worthy of all praise (Allah)’ (Surah-Fussilat (41), ayahs 41-42).

          Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/religion-articles/the-verses-in-the-quran-about-the-prophet-hood-4117071.html#ixzz1CRciYZwi
          Under Creative Commons License: Attribution

          • Vajra says

            asif
            “The Quran is the fourth and the final divine book by Allah almighty”

            But Zakir Naik and Abdullah Tariq of peace TV have different views than yours! Zakir Naik accepted in his article that Quran is the seal of truthfulness of Arya Dharm (Vedas) and Abdullah Tariq of peace TV openly accepted that Vedas were first revelations from Allah!

          • pratap says

            @ Asif

            Are you a frustrated Guy?? You think you can convince with “hoodwinking” tactics? You are doing more harm to your religion than good by adopting such stupid tricks. Take my good advice: Take a glass of warm milk with “khus-khus” and a tinge of saffron, and GO TO SLEEP. You are free to compose your “Nursery” rhythms in your dreams.

            And before going to bed say a BIG THANK YOU and a QUICK SORRY to Agniveer Uncle that tolerated your Childish blabbing with lot of patience.

          • shafaq says

            @ Pratap..Blah Blah Blah…….what happened….Agniveer’s paid some commission to you or what…..

        • asif says

          Agniveer why did u delete my posts,i tell u b’coz u can’t have guts to do debate with me…
          b’coz i proved every thing which u asked me …….

          u people are totally fake u can’t hide the truth…….

          • says

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          • Vik says

            @asif

            what debate my boy? You are simply copy pasting long crappy essays either from IRF or other illogical sites. Debate means presenting your >OWN< arguments and questions, not copy pasting long essays all the time.

            Its good your comments are deleted since they were really not comments but copy pasted essays. By the way, this is a comments section, not an essay copy paste section!

  3. R-H says

    The above article was writen in 2004 …
    After many days after this article was published….. in Bangladesh Islamic groups had attacked Iskon…
    It took this much time for Islamic terrorists to attack innocent Iskon people…
    Probably they were waiting that angel gabrel or allah will put them in hell fire…

    I request non-believers to Please take some fire extinguishers when you die.. So that when allah puts you in hell fire it may be used!!

    • vik says

      @R-H,

      worry about urself, because so far, ur quran is being proved false, and hopefully one day, every musiim will remove it from their homes.

  4. R-H says

    @Vik…
    Bro..

    You said "worry about urself, because so far, ur quran is being proved false, and hopefully one day, every musiim will remove it from their homes……."

    Why are you telling "…my quran"…I didnt talk in favour of muslims…
    I just said read this link…

    http://bvml.org/tmi/SS_bpatpm.html

    which states that Islam is demonic religion…

    Moreover as Agniveer ji said most of the puranas are interpolated and are of late origin..
    Bhavishya Purana also contains details of Victoria… If it contains prophecies of future then why did it stop at Victoria… bcoz at that time it was printed..
    Moreover I met a scholar , he said that many have mistaken Bhavishya Purana and thought that it contains details of Bhavishya… But in reality it is to be called as "Bhava Eesha" purana which contains details of Bhava Isha(God) .. thats it.. But many fools thinking that it must have future details have added many verses to it which took place as and then….

    But Fanatics like Zakir Naik is using this to prove there religion as correct..
    But the bhavishya purana mentions the opposite to what Dr. Zakir ji said!!

    Any how we dont need any puranic proof to prove islam is demonic!! By reading Islamic teachings only we can say that its demonic and illogical..

    • vik says

      @R-H

      bro, which side are u one, r u on our side, or the muslims side, cuz i heard u say that all non beleivers should take fire extinguishers since Allah will throw them in eternal hell. Anyways, this situation may appear comic, but it is true that islam is a demonic religion

      • Sunil says

        No intelligent human will believe in a God which throws people into hell fire.

        I believe God (the eternal formless nameless power called Brahman) guide every human irrespective of color, religious belief, sex or physical appearance towards righteous deeds and towards the light of bliss. Ultimately into a state of contentedness where they are in peace with themselves.

  5. R-H says

    @vik…

    "bro, which side are u one"….

    Brother I'm on the side of Truth…
    And we all know that The only truth = Vedas…

    "cuz i heard u say that all non beleivers should take fire extinguishers since Allah will throw them in eternal hell"….

    Brother I just said that "All non believer should take extinguishers since Allah will throw us in Hell Fire…"
    This I said because every muslims blame other religion people that they will go to hell fire!!
    Even I am a non-believer….!!!

    I just said it for joke!!
    I just made a comedy over Allah…..!! Thats all…

    I guess.. as always my comedy was not effective..

    To experience the real comedy…. Go to google and search for "Islam Comic Book"
    Refer this link :
    http://islamcomicbook.com/

    I read it.. Its full of fun… Pls read it and circulate it!!!
    Whenever someone is very depressed I suggest them to read Quran and Prophets(PBUH) teachings….
    Islamic teachings are so much illogical that one cannot control the laughter after reading them!!!

    • vik says

      @R-H,

      i am on the side of the truth, the Vedic side, so dont worry, i thought u were muslim trying to debate me, so that is why i said that, anyways dont worry brother, i apologize and good luck in spreading the truth.

  6. abdul says

    what a laugh at u ppl
    u dnt kno facts bt r ready 2 say quran is incorrect or vedas is
    bahahah
    da writer states dt sum young muslims copy and paste from muslim forums n circulate it 2 adas
    i hope he gets 2 read this n den contact me so that i cn write a article called

    "writer let down by his ppl"

    • vik says

      @truthprevails

      Mr Agniveer is 100% correct in all his arguments and they make so much sense than any zakir naik comment. So the truth is the Vedas, not Quran, so may the truth (Vedas) prevail

    • says

      The reasons why people say something like this are: lure of Arabic dollars, threat to life or an illegitimate relation (Hindu Law allow only one wife). What applies to him is best known to him. But he is definitely a fraud, and analysis of the same is provided on this site. Ask this fellow to refute the articles in this site, and I know he will shy away.

  7. R-H says

    @ Siva…

    As you said " The Muslims claims that every human is born as a muslim b….."

    Its just a claim not truth…

  8. mirza tarmizi says

    assess the organization and style of the book.Is it well-organized and clearly written?Does the style or the content of the book recommend it to a specific readership? a final evaluation of the book:how valuable is it?

  9. sarang says

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    BROTHER,PLEASE CONTACT THEM.
    I await a reply from u brother.

  10. Indian says

    Personally i have great respect for Jesus,Muhammad because they said more or less the same as Krishna,Budha,Nanak or any other prophet born in India.The only difference was the method they advised to reach the goal.
    In this regard, one questions constantly ponders in my mind,why the Hells do some of our Indians develope so much affinity for somethings which came from Outside India(Religion,Culture,Tradition).when we have already have same things said differently in major religions Hinduism,Budhishm,Jainism and Sikhism of Great India.And as lucky people born on this holy land let us know about the things here first and others letters.Following is one question on which i would like to know opinion from my non-indian-religion followers:
    1.When people comeup with logics like oppression of the Weak,greatness in the methods of teaching of Foreign religions as the reason behind arrival of Foreign Religions in India,Which religion did the Britishers and Mughal Belong to who raped and looted India belong to?.Where the Hell did their religious teachings go,when they were destroying the this country destroying cultures,valaues of the natives of this land?My frends wake up and go back to the religion of ur forefather not the forefather of other races (Arabs,Whites)?

  11. Anonymous says

    This bloody fucker site should be banned… The stupid writer of the above discussion is so ignorant about Dr. Zakir’s personality that in order to prove him wrong, this fellow blatantly lies and quotes out of context to the Dr. Zakir usually refer. Though there might be, I suppose, hundreds of such bastards lurking around writing bullshit, I feel compelled to write on this site, as I unfortunately came across it.

    SPREADING RELIGIOUS HATRED FOR PERSONAL GAIN IS UNWARRANTED. IF U HAVE ANY MENTAL ILLNESS, GO TREAT YOURSELF IN A GOVERNMENT HOSITAL (TREATMENT IS FREE). WE MUSLIMS HAVE A LOT THAT WE CAN SAY ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS IF IT COMES TO BADMOUTHING, BUT NEITHER OUR RELIGION SAYS US TO DO SO NOR OUR UPBRINGING IS IN THAT WAY. LOW SELF-ESTEEM CAN BE TREATED (IN BASTARDS LIKE YOU). WRITING BULLSHIT IS NOT A CURE.

    • Vik says

      @Anonymous

      “bloody f**ker” are those the words taught to you by the Quran and Islam, looks like you are following an interesting religion.

      But I feel sorry for people like you, the reason u are angry is because your Zakir Bhai MBBS has been exposed from each and every corner on this site and YOU KNOW U CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. Today your Naik stands exposed everywhere, today Naik and his following fanatics can no longer fool common hindus with these crap prophecies because all common hindus can simply copy paste Agniveer Ammunition and throw your Naik off of his stand. This only the beginning of the destruction of IRF and Zakir Naik, I hope you keep tuning in until IRF and their terrorist mindsets come to an end.

    • SDC says

      “This bloody fucker site should be banned.” Now, your double standards come to the fore. When Miyan Zakir was banned in UK, you cried foul that your voices were being muzzled and put forth the “freedom of expression” argument. Why cry now, asshole?

    • says

      to @agniveer and all hindu member of this sites:

      the above posters(Anonymous) opinion not a real Islamic,either he is the member of fundamental Muslims or a spy from fundamental Hindu.an Islamic cannot be used such bad word like him,people ignored him.

      to Anonymous

      i don’t know who u r? don’t use such word to anyone in future, Islam is the pure religion, islam allow a positive way criticism is the rights of human being,as a criticizer agniveer and member of this site has the rights of posting some allegation against Islam, our duty clear their ignorant opinion with peaceful,moral, trustful and valuable evidence.all time we muslim must respect them,we never and ever says any bad words against them and their veda and their god.

      prophet muhammed(sa) says ” a muslim has a atom quantity of anger aginst any non-muslim,what ever good things he did,he never go to heven,allha trow him to hell “

      • KalBhairav says

        @shabeer:

        either he is the member of fundamental Muslims…

        How do you differentiate between “fundamental” Muslim and moderate(?) Muslim?

        • says

          fundamental Muslim here i mean the ‘the islamic namers'(the people with islamic name and not enter the essence of quran and haddeth the their heart)

          they give the importance of emotionalism.

      • says

        @Shabeer

        ———we never and ever says any bad words against them———-

        Can you once more use ctrl+c and ctrl+v (which you are probably best in the world at :) ) and share with us Quran [98:6]? I would love to see how you justify “noble words” used there for polytheists and unbelievers!

        ——–prophet muhammed(sa) says ” a muslim has a atom quantity of anger aginst any non-muslim,what ever good things he did,he never go to heven,allha trow him to hell “——–

        And where does Allah throw Himself when He says-

        “If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein [For ever]: And the WRATH and the CURSE of Allah are upon him” [Quran 4:93]

        Interestingly this verse exposes your Taqiyya of good treatment of non Muslims (you can kill a non Muslims intentionally and still get heaven!) as well as calmness of Muslims/Allah! Take another one

        “Thou seest many of them turning in FRIENDSHIP TO THE UNBELIEVERS… Allah’s WRATH is on them, and in torment will they abide.” [Quran 5:83]

        From this verse it is in fact you (for being friends or sympathizer of unbelievers) who is waiting for hell, not anonymous :(

        But anyway, I appreciate your intentions despite your lack of knowledge of Allah and Islam..

        • says

          first :where is the evidence from quran that its support polytheism?

          u never respond my replay,is it?u just escape from there is it?

          ok what u’r problem?

          And they were not commanded except to worship Allah , [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion.
          Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
          Indeed, they who have believed and done righteous deeds – those are the best of creatures.[holy quran 98:5,6,7]
          Brother athish what r the diffrence between my comment and the above verses?
          My comment law of islam that how to treat a muslim to a non-muslim? Is it?
          What r the above verses including?
          This is allha openion about belivers and non-belivers,its not a law,according to allha what the diffrence between a muslim and non-muslim,allha poin out from his verses.
          My comment and the above verses not any relation.

  12. original siva says

    wish allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa veryyyyyyyyyyy happy janmashtami.

    lord krishna bless all

    hare krishna hare krishna hare hare

    hare ramaa hare rama hare hare

  13. vibiesh says

    The quran says in chapter 2 verse 115 that whither so ever you turn you can see the face of allah, How can allah have a face if he dont have an image, In quran also says in chapetr 2 verse 158 safa and marwa are among the symbols of Allah whoever compass them round there is no sin in them. If safa and marwa are one among the symbols of allah the why cant the temple also be the symbol of God, Do the muslims read the quran properly?

  14. GK says

    You all are mad….mad…..mad……all the muslims who are wasting time in proving …….to those who are nevo going to understand…till god bless them with sense…..may god bless them with sense…..AMEN
    To all the muslims and non muslims ….i would say……..
    Answer my question in yes or no …..
    1. Do you beleive in one that one power……who creates, sustains, destroyes…..and then continues the procedure…..the one who is all pervasisve….all inclusive…..that will….that light….that which is there in darkness….and that…..which is itself and who created self and self is it…..???????
    2. For the sake of the one (unique) whole referred to above ……do you bow down to …and submit to it….wholly…..as many times …..as you live through your life…do you submit and thanks it every minute moment and every major moment and all times of your time ( of life )????????
    3. For the sake of that power and for the love of it ….do you share whatever he bestowed you with those who have not been given and those who are at need. ( You bro/sis/frnd/ppl in need / society at large in any form as you are capable of) By sharing you spread happiness and success in society at large and be with its laws??????????
    4. For the fear of it ( the unique all pervasive ) because you know breaking the will(laws) of it would tantamount your own and other sufferings in some or other form, you abstain from evil ( based of rationalism, logic and senses ie. right wron criterion that it bestowed you) …evil like…..not lying, be truthfull, too much passionate of material things …food , wealth or taking pride in lifes attainment or possession or …false ego or ….commiting murder or taking unlawfully…..or committing deceit and fraud and committing illegal sexual intercouse…or the things of like which are evil…..?????????????

    IF ANY HUMAN BEING ( MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM ) does answer all of the above in YES then he/she is ………A SUBMITTER TO GOD ( GODS WILL ) i.e MUSLIM and is FOLLOWER OF SANATHAN…

    • GK says

      The end of above “IF ANY HUMAN BEING ( MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM ) does answer all of the above in YES then he/she is ………A SUBMITTER TO GOD ( GODS WILL ) i.e MUSLIM and is FOLLOWER OF SANATHAN DHARMA i.e HINDU…..

      MAY GOD BLESS ALL WITH WISDOM AND SENSE…….
      BEST REGARDS,
      —-GK

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Namaste GK

      1. Do you beleive in one that one power……who creates, sustains, destroyes…..and then continues the procedure…..the one who is all pervasisve….all inclusive…..that will….that light….that which is there in darkness….and that…..which is itself and who created self and self is it…..???????

      A Dharmic Follower may not have any major objection in believing the above ..but it is impossible for an Abrahamic Follower to believe in such an Entity.

      a) Abrahamics don’t believe in the “continued cycle” of creation,sustenance and destruction.They believe it’s a one time affair where the Abrahamic God whimsically and unjustly puts blind,deaf,mentally challenged and fit individuals all of them together through the almost similar test of life and then punishes whom he wills and rewards whom he wills.

      b) Abrahamic Gods are not all pervasive. The Xtian God comes down to earth to check what humans are doing and the Islamic prophet rides a horse/mule like animal to reach Allah’s residence.

      c) Allah is not all pervasive..It does not pervade everything ..neither does the Christian God :(

      there are many more issues here ..but i hope u get the point

      2. For the sake of the one (unique) whole referred to above ……do you bow down to …and submit to it….wholly…..as many times …..as you live through your life…do you submit and thanks it every minute moment and every major moment and all times of your time ( of life )????????

      Dharmikas are only “advised” to do the above after having understood the manifest Godhood, but none of this is made “compulsory” and punitive as in abrahamic religions, where in we have examples where the prophet of Islam got an old believer killed who naively thought that bending down may not be compulsory in prayers

      So my friend, while dharmikas are advised to bow to the supreme in any manner they wish , the Abrahamics are forced to bow down whether they like it or not.

      3. For the sake of that power and for the love of it ….do you share whatever he…

      • GK says

        Pranaam Indian Agnostic,

        I knw a human mind which is rational does not accept all that is imposed on it unless he gets the sense of it..or he is guided through his senses…..
        How does our mind senses and gets guide and why do we get all the info ..thinking…in our mind….a very logical and rational answer would be its the exposure to outer world which allows us to reciprocate. yes thats true…it does…however…who decides what we get exposed to ????? ….agaain its mind……and then again a question that how does that decide…the question answer would go on and on seemless and theres no end to it. right…….
        Now by above the point that i want to make is that by trying to establish that all abrahimic faiths are demonic and only hinduism is true…one will never be able to establish anything in this world ……this is not only for hinduism but for follower of any religion…and thats why all the major religions of teh world just guide you to certain set of paths ….and that are all common more or less……
        the probs with us is that …we choose to see the difference and ignore what is common and rightous……
        Now if you dont have probs in beleiving the the VIDHI KA VDHAN…..and where did you learn in quran that there is only one single cycle of creation, sustainence and destruction…I have nowhere read that its single…..It just said we create…we make you to die and nbring youback to life again…and it stops ….now if some interprete it this way….some may interprete the other way….
        Also, i would like to invite your attention to the all pervasive thing…..GOD IS ONE & UNQIUE ..and I knw quran does not say that god is all pervasive but his there are hadiths which clearly establish that god is nearer to you than your jugular vain….and now if thats the case then he must be every where…but what we contrast is that …the thing that is to be all pervasive must be a matter or form and must exist in physical fiorm, howevre, god is much away from such physical form..it is formless and…

        • KalBhairav says

          @GK:

          I appreciate your effort to “find common ground” between religions…but I suggest you begin with your Muslim brethren…They seem to have hijacked your religion to unimaginable heights. I can trust Muslims more when they:

          (1)abolish death penalty for apostasy
          (2)make their countries secular – i.e. no shariah anywhere on planet earth.

          Until this happens, I feel there is no point going on about the “peaceful” verses in the Quran. You have more dawah pertaining to religious tolerance and secularism to do to your fellow brethren who number 1.5 Billion all around the world. I find it a bit out of place to be taught the finer points of secularism and tolerance by a Muslim!

        • Indian Agnostic says

          Dear @GK , Namaste!

          My response was auto-clipped as per the 2000 words limit and i see that yours is auto-clipped too.Anyways, your message of finding a “common ground” is well registered.While I agree with this strategy in principle but i have my reservations against it’s applicability in many scenarios.

          Should we look for “common ground” on corruption? intolerance? …I hope your answer , like mine, would be a BIG NO !

          Abrahamic religions, unfortunately have intolerance as their foundation as well as their motive for expansion. It’s in this context that i see any effort to find any “common ground” strategically flawed.

          With Islam , there is much bigger problem.Even if the flawed strategy is applied (owing to good intentioned muslims like you) there is a tactical bottleneck. No part of the Quran is open to reform. it’s a 7th century sealed document with 11th century sealed traditions :( . Critiquing the Quran or the traditions of the prophet invites death penalty in muslim societies.

          In such a scenario , the idea of finding a “common ground” becomes void..since Islam is not open to change , all other religions must necessarily toe the line of Islamic theology ..which is absurd !

          would love to hear from you as to how you plan to eliminate this anamoly

          • GK says

            Hi indian agnostic,

            first of all i woud like to thank you for the kind attention to the point that i wanted to make.

            I personally beleive that any thing that exists in this world ….all that we see..and all that we do not …..all have its own merits …..and its own flaws …so constitution …the laws….or for that matter religion also..is not an exception…..
            I also agree that changes are a part of life and indeed change for betterment is always required ..otherwise…we would just stuckup in the old jargons and deviate from entire intent or objective of any law.
            But to make a change on anythng and accept it is really not a very easy task. it has a lot of pros and cons and a lot of ground work involved…also when we are instigating a change we do not knw that what this change will it bring along with..many a times it does bring all that is intended..but many a times …yes it brings a greater flaw and sometimes this is irreparable….
            Now when does this happen that man intends to change and but still renders fail???When does this happen??? this happened only when we concentrate on thse matters for change which are needless…which do not require change or require it in sme way which is out of the control of man.
            The change in laws and regulations of religion..is somewhat related to what i have described above….if I say that there should be change in quran …or the contents of it..like the capital punishment should be eased or the requirement of zakaat should be more elaborated or Some para’s should be replaced with a new one..etc etc…but then we will have to first of all think abt what is the need and then if need be there is that legitimate? & again if it be legitimate we will have to determine what impact will it bring……
            Now if I critically examine the guidelines or directions given in the quran…then personally speaking …there I do nt find any such a flaw that warrants change cause if some book guides me to believe in God and Pray and pay zakaat and fast and help poor needy and…

          • GK says

            Part 2 of my reply….

            Now if I critically examine the guidelines or directions given in the quran…then personally speaking …there I do nt find any such a flaw that warrants change cause if some book guides me to believe in God and Pray and pay zakaat and fast and help poor needy and orphans and asks not be wrong and not to be disrightous and asks to take care of parents and all those ….of such which adds values to the human life……then whats the flaw and thats what is applicable to my practicable world
            I agree that there are other claims ..like heaven and hell and paradise and some thing which appears to be insane to a rational mind ……But then what I think is that what is the point ..in thinkg that which does nt matter to me practically in the current life…and Quaran itself says that God( Lord ) is aware of what you knw and what you do not knw …and what you see and that you do not see …..so how do I neglect it till the times there is evidence to the contrary……also, I am concern more with my karma than anything else…remember Geetas preaching……
            The most important point that I would like to make here is that what part is to be changed and if its to be then will it bring a betterment to what frequency and degree or is it so that post allowing it to change it will bring in more flaws, thousands of versions and opinions and it will be very difficult for the later generations to even grasp it…like its happened in many other texts…….

          • GK says

            Part 3 of My reply

            Regarding the common ground …when we act with a common belief ..it is the whole ….and then start practicing a life of searching it……( GOD ) then we we cannot make our outlook restricted to one kind off thing only…then we initiate looking into other as well and then we determine that there is a uniqueness…in all that pervades and all that exists ….and all that we have and all that are dissimilar are very much similar in some or other sense when the elements of dissimilarities are removed……
            I always used to think since childhood that what is this religion all abt ……why the hell ppl rely on a book and what is the need for five times of prayers or what is the need of rituals that are done…but never had and integral study of the things ………Today after stdying a bit of all the religions do atleast knw that …al of them do claim more or less the same thinsg….and to my amaze I found out that 90% of the times ppl do that whats there traditions taught them and not religion…and the blame is on religion……
            I learned smething very good in Gautama Budhdha( PBUH) religion and in the word of prophet Muhammad(PBUH) too “Do not accept anything without rational appeal….the let it be anyone…your parents ..your teacher….anyone…you have right to ask question and take a rational decision.
            I holded this point tight in my life…I will not say this gave me salvation but yes …I knw I would be leading the whole life this way…like a student…like a researcher..and the truth shall only be discovered in only two conditions …..first either I die or my lord blesses me with the truth…..

          • GK says

            Part 4 of my reply

            I would also tell….all of the humans cannot have this line of thinkg…ppl do differ cause thts hw god creted them……thats what even quran and geeta says …..so let one decide his own course…and if someone chooses…go the other way its his wish…if I feel what is righteous …I only have duty to call him to the faith that I believe…but you cannot do anymre…I choose to follow quranic principles as base because I felt they are right and they appealed me…and I found the same ..in other major religions and that’s not a stoppage …but it’s a journey….i shall keep on researching but while I do so…I need to hold my principles tight…what are they….??????they are simple……..Beleive in supreme pwer, for its sake ….. &love of it I pray…for its sake& fear of it…I abstain from evil…….for its order…I do charity…
            Now the insights of all the four above( beielfe, prayer, Fast & charity ) are very very deep and themselves a subject of research…so cant write the whole here.
            Lastly abt your statement that abrahimic religions jst hve intentions to expand nd are not tolerant…..brother …all the religions …infact what religion…all the ideologies….do have a motive to expand…and if smething is good and its expands then whats the harm……Again I am nt talking abt expansion of an ideology which spreads hatred but that which serves humanity…which is good and nt evil for society..which that by following of which person is happy ..satisfied and the society at large is happy and satisfied..that ideology ….and I don’t think any religion..if followed at its core has any marks of evil…unless it’s a modified form of religion…which is different from its base…… ( Abt muslims who do suicide bombings or who kill other without a justifiable cause…I would nevo say they are muslims as they are not adhering quran or say abt the Christians who consume alcohol…I would not say they are Christians cause they go against there own religion ) and ths I would nevo allow to expland……..but of whatever good ppl of religion do…that is to expand as…

          • GK says

            Part 5 of my reply

            Also, abt intolerance…yes all the religions are for that matter intolerant to crimes and wrong things…..but in religions like Christianity..thse are explicitly written that one should be tolerant to other religion and faith and especially in islam it’s clearly mentioned to be tolerant to other faith….and that’s the reason prophet allowed ppl to practice there religion in his rule……
            You will find guidelines of tolerance in abrahimic faiths because they initiated in times when other faiths were prevalent but you wont find these on sme religions because when they were born no other religion were there in the place…….so no need of that writing……
            Hope the above points of mine are able to clear doubts to sme extent….pls ask if you have any mre questions…I shall be more than happy to answer them….subject to the fact that I should have the answer…and incase I do not then we both can make an effort to do R&D and dig answer out……
            Regards,
            Gufran

          • Akhila Padhi says

            @ GK – A long comment. But I enjoyed reading. After a long time I saw some one rational. I will like to say only those on which I disapprove.

            1. Expansion of Religion – It is one of many reasons for which I don’t like the Christian missionaries and preachers like Zakir nayak. There is no harm, if one expansion is made logically, like Budhism and Jainsim spread once, and like the way Vedas taught by great scholar like Shankaracharya and Ramanujacharya. While preaching, they never used bad comments for others, they never said lies about others. But Zakir Nayak is spreading lots of lies to cook his bread. If one comes with logics, is most welcome.

            2. Tolerance – On the earth, when ever the word religious tolerance will be said, Hindus will be standing first. i am not saying it because I am a Hindu, but because history says so. By Hindu I mean Budhist and Jains too. With islam invasion, thousand of Hindus were killed in Afganistan (Hindu Kush), thousand of temple destroyed (Ram Temple at Ayodhya), universities and other educational institutes were destroyed (taxila). Later the poison of partition, the land to which Hindus worshiped for billion years as Mother Bharati divided into 4 parts. But this was not the end, Hindus of those lands were killed, tortured and they lost their importance on their own land. Later when Hindus claimed their own places of worship, they are denied. Even after all these, hardly one finds a sing terrorist outfit (that too I doubt of existence). But see, how many terrorist outfits are fighting in the name of Islam.

          • Akhila Padhi says

            Brother, I just said this to say you, how tolerant hindus are. 99% or more Hindus are secular. But the reverse in case of people of other religion.

            I feel no problem when one is a muslim or one is a christian, I feel no problem when a hindu changes his belief, but I feel bad, when some one changes faith just for money, I feel bad, when one says Idol worship is worship of satan, I feel bad when chooses of Joker Nayak claim i am not following my religion properly. I feel bad for lies in the name of religion, hatred in the name of religion. I feel bad when thinks himself superior then me just because I am a hindu.

            What ever you posted here are irrelevant here, because we all are of same mission, end all hatred for any religion, you should have posted these on the websites like Islamhinduism.com These are needed for the fanatics who think themselves superior then me, these should not be for me, coz I know all paths go to him directly.

  15. GK says

    Hi Agniveer,

    Its a humble request to you to not to delete my post……..also, please stop creating such forums which divide people and spread hatred amongst people…when the philosophy of life is so sweet and simple. Dont put and waste your efforts in such vague matters which will be of benefit to nobody.

    FOR THE SAKE OF LOVE OF YOUR EXISTENCE ( IF YOU LOVE IT which I hope you do ) PUT AN END TO SUCH HATRED FORUMS….CREATE PEACE>>>>PROMOTE PEACE>>>BE PEACEFULL….

    • KalBhairav says

      @GK:

      please stop creating such forums which divide people and spread hatred amongst people

      I appreciate your universalism. Unfortunately majority of Muslims either disagree with you or are silent so they are completely useless.

      Here’s the trouble with universalism. Krishna in the BG says that Prakriti and Jivas have been eternal. However, a Muslim NEEDS to ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE in Allah creating the universe in 6 or 7 or 8 days (depending on how one translates the Arabic word “Thumma”). Hinduism is against creatio ex-nihilo. Islam says Allah all of a sudden created something out of nothing because he all of a sudden decided to test us poor souls [who were non-existent] in a universe [which was non-existent].

      Which of the above makes sense to you?

      Also, whenever Muslims become the majority in a country, they have this nasty habit of creating a country for themselves. The same happened to India in 1947. So, how exactly do you expect Hindus to react to Islam? Will Islam reform or will Hindus have to adjust to its virulence and go on as if nothing happened?

      • GK says

        Dear Kalbahirav,

        The four questions that i asked …….that were not answered…..May I ask you …do you personally say yes to them??? and 99% of my mind appeals it is yea.
        If that is yes then you and I are on same Line.
        Now abt the dis-agreement lines that is to be researched and digged up and truth shall have to brought out, but till the times the scriptures dp not reconcile…does they affect our lifes so much that there is a need of such hatred in the name of region.
        i had read or heard some time and definitely believe….LIFE IS A PERSPECTIVE……that means it is as you wanna see it. Now regarding your question…that jivas are eternal and quran says that….everything got created in mere 6 days all of sudden….then where does the quran says that the JIVAS ARE NOT ETERNAL..indeed they…regarding the creation…there are many theories ….scientifically explaining that…..mass is created out of nothing and nothingness is a state which itself is everything. Now this goes in perfect sync with what is been mentioned in hinduism…that existence is an eternal cycle….it undegoes change and change is the rule of existence….the same thing is reconfirmed by quran that say….we created and make it to die and create again…..

        I agree that at the points of time the research may be in progressive stage concerning a matter and there may be a reconciliation, however, that does not give leaglity to calling for religious hatred and divide which will lead to a divide of humanity.

        Any religion in the world begins with faith….so I have a faith that all the religion bought the same message …..oneness of god and we all submitting to it.
        Now reagarding your point that muslims when they come to majority in a country ..they implement sharia….or convert ppl or forcefully convert them or exploit them… I would say, I am not a admirer of these ppl….if any do wrong in the name of religion ….then religion is not to be blamed…..also….if you talk sharia…then we have full sharia in india…..our…

  16. raj.hyd says

    muslim log jab namaz ki prakriya karte hai ? uske pahale kapde me peshab ka ek katra bhi kapde me n laga ho uska khyal karte hai! namaz ke dauran agar “buri hava ” mal marg se n nikal paye uska bhi khyal karte hai ! vaise usko rokna to mushkil hai agar buri hava nikal jaye to dubara namaz padhni padti hai ! yani namaz khuda ji kabul nahi karte aisa kaha jata hai 1 kya any sabhi namaz khuda ji kabul kar lete hai uski koi garanti to nahi milti ! jab peshab ke katre ka itna bachav mal dvar se buri hava ka bhi bachav ! lekin mans khane se bachav kyo nahi ? kya peshab sharir ke andar se nahi ati ? ya “buri hava ” sharir ke andar se nahi ati ? yah sharir ke andar to “gandgi ka bhandar ” hota hai 1 pasina bhi to badbu deta hai uska bachav bechare nahi karte 1 har bar nahakar namaz nahi padhte ! kya muslim bandhu batlayenge ki sharir ke andar ke gandgi ke bhandar val sharr se pyar kyo uska mans kyo khaya jaye kya bagair mans khaye jivan nahi chal sakta ! yani “gud kha lenge gulgulo se parhej karna chahenge “

  17. raj.hyd says

    muslim bandhu jab macca jate hai tab sange asvad ko bhi chumte hai ! aur yah tark dete hai ki muhammad ji ne usko chuma isliye ham bhi usko chumte hai ! ham puchna chahenge agar muhammad ji suar ko chumte to kya aap bhi usko chumte [bosa dete , ya lete ] itni gulam mansikta kyo ? are bhai ji , muhammad ji ne to 50 sal ki umar me 6-7 sal ki aysha ji se bhi nikah kar liya tha ,fir aap llog yah kyo nahi karte ? muhammad ji ne zaid ko apna putr bhi mana, usko putr jaisa pyar diya samaj me bhi dilvaya fir aap log kisi garib ke bachhe ko god kyo nahi lete ? muhammad ji ne to anek dsiyo se bhi bagair nkah ke sex kiya ?ek bachha bhi paida kiya / fir aap kyo nahi karte muhammad ji ne apni mata saman umr ki vidhva sepahala nikah bhi kiya tha , fir ap apnapahala nikah kisi vidhva se kyo nahi karte ? yani jisme adachan ho vah akary nahi karenge jisme asani ho usko “ankh mich karke ” gulami ki tarah man lenge 1 jara apni “akal shareef” ka bhi istemal kare to jyada achha rahega

  18. vibiesh says

    Agniveer is couragiuos and kindf to share and discuss about hindu thoughts, But the fanatics like Zakir Naik in their IRF website is not, if they start a page for disscussing various opinion of others all their false image will fall,Cowards!

  19. Bagyaraj says

    Lord McCauley’s speech in British Parliament on 2nd February, 1835 for converting India to a land suitable for them to rule and make Indians the British slaves : “I have traveled the length and breadth of India and there I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values,people of such caliber, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self esteem, their native culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation”

    • shravak says

      @Bagyaraj

      You’re misinformed brother. He never said those things. Go to below link for info
      http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/06/26/clearing-the-dust-off-macaulays-quote/

      1)No one has been able to give a proper reference for it, pointing to an original source of Macaulay’s speeches or writings.

      2)Macaulay was not in England on the purported date of this “speech in Parliament” but in India.

      3)Finally, the question of “ever conquering this country” had no meaning in 1835, when Britain was in nearly full control of the subcontinent.

  20. Gulam says

    At last waste of time going through this website.
    Haters gonna hate, so that its their fate.
    I think people got their own views here about Islam.
    But they are purposefully ruining their times arguing with bigot people in a website which is gaining huge amount of hits.
    so please stay away from this website and stay happy with your lives :-)

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