We present an insightful article by eminent scholar of Vedas and History – Sri Rajveer Arya (aryarajveer @ gmail.com) written three years ago on the issue of Sri Rama being a myth or a historical legend. Its evident from the facts that Sir Rama was not only an Indian legend but a global phenomenon. There can be nothing more shameful than living in India and yet denigrating one of its greatest role models. Kindly read and circulate widely on eve of the Ayodhya judgement:

Nowadays, the issue of Ramsetu is highly talked about by many people. The government filed an affidavit before the Supreme Court which clearly denies the historical existence of Shri Rama on this earth. However, the strong opposing political parties, and other Hindu activists forced that the givernment withdrew the affidavit. Some Hindu organizations like Vishwa Hindu Parishad, claim that posing questions relating to the existence of Rama cannot be simply answered by scientific or historical data.

The existence of Rama is basically a question of faith for millions of people. Therefore, no government or any other party can deny the existence of Rama. Some of these so-called “great advocates” of Hinduism did not show guts to take on the Government/Karunanidhi, and proved that Rama is as historical fact and not a myth.

Nevertheless, they were supported from unexpected quarters like the Hurriyat conference from Kashmir. Hurriayat also claimed that scientific or historical evidence is not the yardstick to judge various issues related to religion. Hence, whether Rama existed or not cannot be decided on basis of scientific or historical findings. This is basically associated with religious sentiments of millions of people around the world, and therefore the interference of any government or political party is undesired.

As of now, many scientists, based on astronomical data, have propounded that Rama existed around 5044 BC. In such a perplexing situation it becomes very difficult for common masses to arrive at any conclusive view regarding the existence of Rama. Hence, we have to first analyze various facts regarding Rama, and his epic, Ramayana, before arriving on any final verdict.

Maharishi Valmiki, in order to guide the future generations, decided to write a historical epic that can help everyone follow a path of morality and righteousness. He ended up in a dilemma regarding this issue. Later on, he consulted Narada Muni, who in return suggested him to write about Rama, the son of Dasratha, who was born in the clan of Raghu.

Similarly, Mahakavi Kalidas wrote Raghuvansham. This book throws light on the lineage of Raghu, and also states various kings who ruled after Rama. So, now the point of the argument is that if Rama was a mythological character, then how did Valmiki provide the history of Rama’s forefathers?

In Raghuvansham, how did Kalidasa provide details of Rama’s forefathers, and his various Santatis (successors) who ruled after him? In present times various books dealing with stories of Rama are prevalent in India and around the world. We will throw light on this issue in the latter part of this article.

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WHEN WAS RAMA BORN: (based on Valmiki`s Ramayana)

One of the most anticipated topics in this modern era is that when was Rama born?

Before dwelling onto this point, we have to understand that our great Maharishies have systematically divided the period of shristi into Manvantars. Each Manvantar is further divided into chaturyugis. Each chaturyugis consist of Krita (satyuga), traita, dwapar, and kaliyuga. The present Manvantar is Vaivast Manvantar. So far, twenty-seven chaturyugies have already been passed. Right now, it is the 28th chaturyugi, and we are still in the first charan (period) of this chaturyugi.

It is a well-known fact that Rama was born during the latter part of traita. Hence, if we assume that Rama was born in the present chaturyugi, then it means that he was born at least 1,000,000 years ago. The period of his birth will probably be more than this.

However, Vayu purana provides us the correct chronological period of Ramayana. If we take Vayu purana’s period into consideration then the period of Rama becomes at least 18,000,000 years old. Hence, we can easily conclude that the period of Rama in the time scale is at least 1000,000 to 8,000, 000 years. This issue will be resolved in another topic called “Blunders of Indian History”).

This particular view is also supported by the fact that when Hanuman travelled to Shri Lanka in the search of Sita, over there he saw elephants having four teeth. Hence, this is now an issue for archaeologists/biologists to ascertain when did such elephants exist on earth? (The calculations of chaturyugies will be dealt with in another topic called “Age of present shristi”).

The difficulties encountered in establishing chronological correctness of historical events for the period before Christ will be dealt with in the other article called “Blunders of History.”  Another interesting fact that has been mentioned in Valmiki’s Ramayana is that the maternal home of Bharat and Shatrughan was in a country where transportations took place in the form of vehicles being propelled by dogs or deers. When the two brothers returned to Ayodhya from their maternal home, they crossed many places covered by snow, and were also dressed up in clothes made of wool. Now, the location in which this episode took place is yet to be ascertained.

According to our logic, this episode took place in Russia, and phonetically Russia sounds like misnomer of a Rishi, but this has been taken care of in our article called “Blunder of Indian/World history”. From the facts mentioned above, it clearly gives us an insight into the period of Rama’s birth. So, those who claim that Rama is only a mythological character have been proven wrong since we have provided them with so much evidence in this article. We will also establish that before the advent of Christianity and Islam, Rama was revered throughout the world as an international cult figure.

LEGENDS OF RAMAYANA IN VARIOUS PARTS OF GLOBE

1) RAMAYANA IN RUSSIA AND MANGOLIA:

The Deccan Herald, on 15th December 1972, on its front page gave the news in which it stated that a story relating to Ramayana was published in Elista, capital city of Kalmyk, in Russia. The news further stated that various legends of Ramayana were popular among people of Kalmyk. Many versions of Ramayana are already stored in the libraries of Kalmyk. The news clearly stated that legends of Ramayana were extremely popular since time immemorial. Domodin Suren, a Russian writer, has mentioned various legends that were popular among Mongolian and Kalmyk people. Prof C F Glostunky`s manuscript called “Academy of Sciences”, is located at Siberian Branch of Erstwhile, U.S.S.R. This book deals with various legends popular along the Coast of Volga River, and its manuscript is in the Kalmyk language. Last, but not the least, in Leningrad, a great number of books dealing with stories of Ramayana are still available and preserved even today in Russian and Mongolian languages.

2) RAMAYANA IN CHINA:-

In China, a large collection of Jatak stories related to various events of Ramayana, which date back to 251 A.D, were compiled by Kang Seng Hua. Another book from 742 AD, which relates the story of plight of Dasratha after Rama, was ordered to go for Vanvasa is still present in China. Similarly, in 1600 AD, His-Yii-Chii wrote a novel called Kapi (monkey) which elaborated on the stories of Ramayana, predominantly that of Hanuman.

3) RAMAYANA IN SRILANKA:-

Naresh Kumar Dhatusena also known as Kumardasa, who ruled Sri Lanka in 617 AD, wrote a book called, “Janakiharan”. This is the oldest Sanskrit literature available in Sri Lanka. In Modern Times, C. Don Bostean and John D`Silva have written stories based on Ramayana. Till now, majority of the population adore and highly respect the duo of Rama and Sita.

4) RAMAYANA IN COMBODIA (KAMPUCHIA):

Today, there are many rock inscriptions belonging to 700 AD, which are located in Khmer region of Cambodia. These rock inscriptions are based on the events of Ramayana. Many temples were constructed during the reign of Khmer dynasty, and currently, their walls depict many scenes and events of Ramayana. The temples of Ankor are very famous for the stories of Ramayana and Mahabharata. These temples belong to the earliest parts of the time period dating back from 400 AD to 700 AD. One astonishing fact in these engraved pictures is that Hanuman and the rest of the other Vanars are not shown with their tails as it is against the popular belief of the masses. (Whether Hanuman was a monkey or not, this issue will be examined later on)

5) RAMAYANA IN INDONESIA:

According to De Casperis, there was a temple named “Chandi Loro Jongrong”, which had some scenes of Ramayana engraved on its walls. This temple was from the 9th century AD. In Indonesia, another version of a story from Ramayana named Kakavin is very popular. This story is a bit different from that of Prambanan. Besides this, there were other various versions of Ramayana related stories, which were present in those early centuries after Christ, and also proves itself that Ramayana was very popular among Indonesian people before advent of Islam. It is also an astonishing fact that the first international convention on Ramayana was organized in Indonesia, a few years back.

6) RAMAYANA IN LAOS:

When local people pronounce Loas in their language, it phonetically sounds like the name of one of the sons of Rama. Besides, the temple of Vat- She-Fum and Vat-Pa-Kev also depict many scenes of Ramayana on their walls. The temples of Vat-Pra-Kev and Vat-Sisket carry books that contain the epic of Ramayana. Lafont, a French traveler translated the story of, “Pa laka-Pa lama” in his book called, “P`ommachak”, in French. This book also deals with the story of Ramayana, which is still popular among the masses of Laos.

7) RAMAYANA IN THAILAND:-

The stories of Ramayana are still very popular among the masses. In the early centuries after Christ, many kings who ruled this country had Rama as the prefix or suffix in their name. Just like in India how we organize the play of Ramayana, till today, many dramatic versions of Ramayana are organised in Thailand as well. Similarly, many dramatic versions of Ramayana are still being organized in various South East Asian countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, and Cambodia.

8) RAMAYANA IN MALAYSIA:-

In Malaysia till today plays are oraganised based on the stories of ‘HIKAYAT SERI RAMA’ ,written in 14 century AD,. Dalang society organize nearly 200-300 plays relating to Ramayana. Before commencement of the play people conduct various prayers and abulations revering RAMA and SITA.

9) RAMAYANA IN BURMA:-

King Kayanjhitha who reigned during 1084 –1112 AD; regarded himself as desecendant of clan of Rama. Various books relating to the stories of Ramayana as earlier as 15 century AD are still found in Burma. Books like ‘Kavyadarsh’ , ‘Subhasit Ratanidhi’ are based on the stories of Ramayana. Zhang-Zhungpa, commentary of Ramayana was written by Taranath, which is not available in modern times. In Burma also various form of plays are conducted based on the stories of Ramayana.

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10) RAMAYANA IN NEPAL:-

Oldest version of Ramayana, belonging ot 1075 AD is still found in Nepal.

11) RAMAYANA IN PHILIPINES:-

Effect of stories of Ramayana can easily felt in the customs, traditions and legends of majority of masses. Prof Juon R Francisco found that in Marineo Muslims, legend based on Ramayana is popular, in which Rama has been depicted as Incarnation of God. Similarly among Magindanao or Sulu folk Muslims also various legends based on the stories of Ramayana are popular.

12) RAMAYANA IN IRAN:

In Hyderabad city, capital of Andhra Pradesh, there is museum name Salarjung. There one portrait which is depicting a burly monkey having a very big stone in its hand. This portrait reminds one of Hanuman holding Dronagiri. Similarly Marco Polo in his book (translated by Sir Henry Yule in English) wrote at page no 302, vol II about a peculiar belief among Muslims, spread from Afganistan to Morocco and Algeria. These Muslims believed that members of imperial house of Trebizond were endowed with short tails while mediavel continentals had like stories about Englishmen as- Mathew Paris relates…. ; .

We are of the belief that if one seriously start investigating various legends prevalent, before advent of Islam and Christianity, in Arabic countries and European countries than existence of Ramayana and Mahabharta can be proved. Due to barbaric and dogmatic acts of these peoples wide range of literature and buildings of historical importance has been wiped out.

13) RAMAYANA IN EUROPE:

In Italy, when excavation were carried out in the remains of Astrocon civilization, then various houses were found having peculiar type of paintings on their wall. These paintaings, on closure investigation, seems to be based on the stories of Ramayana. Some of the paintings shows peculiar persons having tails along with two men bearing bows and arrow on their shoulders, while a lady is standing besides them. These paintings are of 7 century BC. It should be remembered that once Astrocon civilization was spread over 75 pct of Italy.

Sir Henry Yule in his translation of works of Marcopolo has refered to the belief prevalent among Medival Europeans that there Ancestors were having small tails. The same fact has been referred by Maharishi Dayanand in his magnum opus ‘Satyarth Prakash’. There Swamiji state that people of Europe were called as Vanaras(monkeys) ,due to their appreance in our epic like Mahabharta, Valmiki Ramayana etc. If we a analyse this statement in present context, then how we are going to define various statements like kangaroos(Australian team) meet men in blue(Indian team) at Calcutta.

Similar sort of epithets were used during World war to describe armies of different countries or else we see that we have helicopters named cheetah etc. As these words(epithets) are just a way to describe different set of people, arms etc, similarly world like Rakshas, Vanaras etc were used in our legends. These facts clearly indicates that legends of Ramayana are not work of fiction and were very popular around the world .

14) RAMAYANA IN AFRICA(CONTINENT):

People of Ethiopia call themselves as descendents of Cushites. This word Cush is basically phonectic misnomer of Kush, the son of Rama. This fact is verly established by Satpath Brahamans, commentary on Vedas. These Brahamans while explaining various mantras of Vedas uses many histrorical events to elucidate the topic.

Astonishingly in Satpath Brahaman we find reference regarding the rule of King Bharata (predecessor of Kaurav and Pandavs) in Rhodesia .

Besides many inconsistent legends inspired by epic of Ramayana are prevalent in African Communities and they basically refers to various activities of vanars.

Egypt basically derives its name from Ajpati which is one of the name of forefather of Rama. If analyse various legends prevalent in Egypt there we will found references of Dasratha(father of Rama). These facts can be very well established from various historical refernces of Brahamans.(for the proof of it see our article Blunders of Indian/World history)

15) RAMAYANA IN NORTH AMERICAN AND SOUTH AMERICAN CONTINENTS:

Before Columbus discovered North American continent European people were not knowing about it. However A DE QNATREFAGES in his book, THE HUMAN SPECIES, categorically says that Chinese people were aware about the American continent and the use to have trade relations with them America was referred as Fad-Sang. Similarly in Japanese people it was known as Fad-See. Similarly, if we refer to various historical reference in Mahabharata, Valmiki Ramayana etc we will find that American continent has been reffered as Patal Desh(Patal means below foot). If we geographically see then we will find that American continent is just below the Indian Subcontinent. We will throw greater light on this issue in our topic, BLUNDERS OF INDIAN HISTORY/WORLD HISTORY.

But for your reference we are providing you some prevalent legends.

a) Beautiful girl in Mexican tribal area till today are called as Ulopy. If we see in Mahabharata we find reference of Arjuna marrying girl named Ulopy who was daughter of King of Patal Desh.

b) W H Prescott in his book , ‘ History of conquest of Mexico’, provides various reference which prove that earlier civilization of American subcontinent have major similarities with that of Indian(Aryan) civilization.

However here we are providing you one reference which clearly state that Ramayana is not mythological epic but it bears historical testimony. According to writer of the book there is popular legend in Aztec community which state that a beautiful person named Quevtsal Katal came there from east and taught them various aspects of advanced civilization as a result his period was treated as golden era. He then went back to his original homeland because of persecution by some divine creature. This legends surprisingly does not throw light on the reasons why he returned.

Another interesting fact that has been stated by Prescott is that this legend is available in documented form. Now, none except Indian tradition can claim that they bear root to this legend. The same story has been narrated in Valmiki Ramayana, in uttarkand where it is mentioned that Salkantak Rakshas who dwelled in Lanka were persecuted by Vishnu. Due to this persecution they left Lanka and went to Patal Desh. The leader of this group was Sumali. According to Ramayana they lived in Patal Desh for long time. When they found condition congenial they returned to their homeland.

It is for readers to decide when such conclusive proof are there to establish that epic of Ramayana is not mythological legend but it is historical evidence which bears testimony to various legends prevalent around the world. Till today play named Ramasitotav is played in various communities of Mexico. To our amazement Rama has been mentioned in Bible, new testament, Mathew ch 2/18, where it is mentioned “ his voices was heard in RAMA”. Rama is proper noun there, now it is for biblical society to define who was Rama and why he has been mentioned in Bible.

Even the name of Dasratha and Ayodhya are there in Bible. We will be referring to these facts in Blunders of Indian/world History.

Now we would pose some tickling questions to the sickular historians:

1) Why month of fasting among muslims is called Ramadhan ?

2) Why place in Gazastrip is called Ramallaha ?

3) Why place in London is named as Ramsgate ?

4) Why capital of Italy is known as Rome(misnomer of Rama)

We can provide various examples where word Rama has been used as suffix or prefix with the names of various historical places/persons or misnomer of Rama has been used as name for historical places/persons. None of the historical evidence provides conclusive answer to these facts unless we take Indian historical evidences into account.

It is widely accepted that the King Alexander invaded India. It really sounds ironical that we are accepting this theory without any historical evidence, on the other hand we go on to deny existence of Rama despite various historical evidences are there to prove that he was not mythical but a historical Mahanayak.

These historians in order to refute Rama`s existence are ridiculously harping the same old tone of theory of evolution which does not have any scientific proof. (Why and how theory of evolution gained importance will be dealt in our article – How the universe is created. The only thing of significance regarding theory of evolution, we want to state here is that it was a tool which was invented to challenge the draconian supremacy of church. The church use to claim that this world was created by God out of nothing and the age of this Univerese is not more than 10000 years. By the help of evolutionary theory scientific world challenged the supremacy of churh and overcame the clergy.)

This is for readers to decide by themselves how they are going to treat Rama. We think that we have provided lot of food for thought. Those who are illogically biased may still refute the existence of Rama while those who are logical and believe that mythological character can never gain such world wide respect/reverence will start looking upon Rama from wider historical evidences.

Here we want to clarify following points:

1) Rama was a Mahanayak, a legendary person who lived a pristine life and is an example to be emulated till today.

2) Its immaterial whether Ramasetu, on which lot of controversy is being created, was built by Rama so far proving authenticity of Rama is concerned. Regardless of whether they prove Ramsetu to be manmade or natural creation, existence of Ram cannot be denied.

3) Valmiki Ramayana is not fiction but an epic based on historical evidence.

For those who are questioning existence of Rama, let them first justify whether their forefathers ever existed, by using the same yardstick that they are using to question the existence of Rama. At least there are more evidences of Rama being a historical hero than existence of forefathers of these historians.

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Syed Mohammad Faizan
2 months 14 days ago

i have thought agniveer follow swami dayanand but today post show it just claim agniveer is bjp agent not arya samaji

Arun pregash
Arun pregash
2 years 5 months ago
Dear All, I read through the entire comments section. It is utterly disgusting and irritating to see Mac keep repeating the same thing again and again. I am disappointed to see people even going into a debate with him. there is no point in arguments without conclusions. Mr. Mac for… Read more »
swamy.P.G.
swamy.P.G.
2 years 11 months ago

Dear sir,
For your kind information The word mentioned in new testament, Mathew ch 2/18 Rama is not as you
pronounce, but it is Ramah., eventhough it is a Noun. It is an Historicalcal city which now is a very
small village. and aslo Rama was born some 100000 years before sounds absurd.

swamy.P.G.
swamy.P.G.
2 years 11 months ago

Dear sir,
For your kind information The word mentioned in new testament, Mathew ch 2/18 Rama is not as you
pronounce, but it is Ramah., eventhough it is a Noun. It is an Historicalcal city which now is a very
small village.

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Science_and_Religion
Science_and_Religion
3 years 4 months ago

Till date why none of the religious books talk about dinosaurs?
There is astronomical evidence which suggests that dinosaurs existed.
Why every religion fails to have even simple mention of dinosaurs?

Agniveer Agni
3 years 4 months ago

Dunno about other religions, but Vedas are for humans. Dinosaurs did not exist when humans came. So discussion on dinosaurs is not relevant. Vedic texts suggest that before humans came, all other animals had come. So Vedas start from there.

Atheist_Hindu
Atheist_Hindu
3 years 4 months ago

Agniveer Mahoday

” Dinosaurs did not exist when humans came.”

Did you mean to say “Dinosaurs had ceased to exist when humans came.” ?
After all, Vedic texts suggest that before humans came, all other animals had come, incl. the dinosaurs.

Madhu
Madhu
3 years 4 months ago
@ Jay Arya I don’t know what vedas say about big bang but below is the link where Vivekananda presents advaita point of view on it before Einstein and other scientists proposed their theories.These are the same views of Adi Shankaracharya and Gautama Buddha. http://www.vivekananda.net/BooksBySwami/JnanaYoga/6_AbsoluteManifestatin.html This theory is as relevant… Read more »
Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 4 months ago
yes some athiests and agnostic are radical me and swami vivekanand were similar he also didnt believe in a god until he came in contact with rama krishnna just like i came in contact with arya samaj and i respect swami vivekanand and shankaracharya for their spread of hinduism but… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 4 months ago
We meant that details on something that is not to be seen by humans, is not relevant because Vedas are to guide humans towards Mukti. Nonetheless, we have not researched Vedas from perspective of pre-human history of planet and hence cannot categorically state what is Vedic view on dinosaurs. But… Read more »
Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 4 months ago

if thats true than i would like to accept evolution and big bang and arya samaj teachings

Krishnarao
Krishnarao
3 years 4 months ago

Typo:
I accidentally wrote “Vedas do contradict science on this issue”

Correction:
The Vedas do NOT contradict science on this issue.

Krishnarao
Krishnarao
3 years 4 months ago
Jay and Agniveer, I do agree with Agniveer’s response on this issue. Vedas do contradict science on this issue. I am not a Vedic scholar but from what I heard the Vedas do say we evolved. Now how that evolution went about, it is up to debate. And I know… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 4 months ago
Jay, We don’t find evolution to be against Vedas. Whether it actually happened or something else happened, is a different question that experts can explore. So far there has been a direction/ purpose, it is in sync with Vedas. The traditional model is that first humans were born asexually as… Read more »
Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 4 months ago
so you say you are not sure as vedas doesnt say so then why do you think dinosaurs become extinct and what are your views on big bang and if you say you dont know can i accept evolution as i come orginally from agnostic background but arya samaj attracts… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago

Why do Christians worship torture?

aditya
aditya
3 years 6 months ago
Ok, If jesus Loves us and cares for us , Why is there poverty , Starvation, disease , war …………?? If at all he cared for everyone and loved us , Everyone should have the same opportunities , but that is not the current case. For Eg. A boy born… Read more »
Mayank
Mayank
3 years 6 months ago
Conditions: 1. One who kills innocents (in-fact entire civilizations) flood and all, 2. One who gets angry, obsessed, jealous 3. Can not do anything right the first time and have to send multiple versions of book(s) and commandments, each contradicting each other. old commandment, new commandment and we can add… Read more »
abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

lets not forget GOD of abrahamic faiths is male, and he behaves like a human

krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago

This video is done by an ex-Christian who was a born again Christian. He practiced meditation and had truly beautiful experience with the divine. Now he is just a spiritual person.

Jesus Would be the first to burn the bible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyEJji4J2_Y&list=UUJaWl9qZkMCnv2ZRNHjPGjw&index=3

abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

for those idiots who r playing with words here is the sanskrit dictionary. look for meanings here, instead of selfcreated dickshnary.
http://spokensanskrit.de/

abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago
@Mac //…..East Indians called him Jyapeti or Pra-Japati, Romans used Ju-Pater or Jupiter,….// prajapati >>pra+ja+pati here pati mean lord/master and ja means “to produce” same as in the root word jana or gene where as in jupiter , piter means father and ju means god or big great which is… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago

What I wrote is the research and study of world linguists. This site is a religious site, you need to check on indiaculture.net, wherein more fair and knowledgeable comments are shared.

abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

what u hav posted is definitely a mistake , u r just playing with words similar in phonetics not etymological. u shud consult a linguist.

abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago
common really u believe that noah/flood trash? and everything coming one race is fallacy , i would rather believe in scientific explanation on evolution and not some shit like things evolving from adam , eve. there r many researches done in the field of genetics which explains migrations/mixtures way b4… Read more »
abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago
yeah yeah like whatever ur filthy mouth blabbers is right. i will only take what science says abt evolution as right not some deser bloc scriptures. u r jsut playing with words here , looking at them phonetically not etymologically , learn some linguistics b4 u comment ur trash here.… Read more »
abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago
ever watched those science documentaries rather than just reading ur scriptures?? the timelines of those u mentioned are different from what is in ur scripture, its not in years , its many many thousands and sometime millions(maybe billions) of years. america was supposed to be under water , it was… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Bro., Although you have a filthy mouth. I mul tell you on this evolution, if you go and read the main article we are commenting on, Agniveer defies evolution. For my comment you have to go by Ctrl F “Mac”, I have also commented some on evolution and I don’t… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Noah’s flood is a history. It is visible with naked eye from an airplane or a helicopter, if you fly over Grand Canyon, Alps, Andies, etc, it has dug thru great trenches and valleys, the waters have carved thru. What my comment on Table of Nations gives is more than… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
I have covered almost all the people living on the face of this earth. Genesis 10 is the Table of Nations and it covers all, it is the geneology of mankind traced back to Noah. Ctrl F type “Table of Nations”, get the September 6, 2012 comment, it is lengthy,… Read more »
abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

except for astronomical recordings which gives age when rama existed, rest is not so reliable to say rama really existed , the stories of rama being told in various places outside india all lie in ADs

abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

@Mac
u r just supporting my above statements abt ur (demi-)god with ur qoutes
and give correct replies to my comment above. think and give reply, i will not post it again.
also Tell me why is god a “HE” or Father???
also look into nasadiya sukta .

SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago

God may love me as much as he wants to, but I still have to shoulder the responsibility of my actions and deal with the repercussions.

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Take my advise brother abhi; Never say “sick god”. Why you want to die before your appointed time. 1 Timothy : God is not mocked, it is what you say is going to come back to you. He sits above the upper waters in unapprochable lights (distance) from us. Where… Read more »
abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago
moreover you just proved that the god of abrahamic faith is sick and fake with the verses u hav qouted. he gets angered and jealous , what has he got to lose?? any property of his? or has his ego got hurt by a speck on a speck kind of… Read more »
abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

mr dumbass mac i hav already answered ur question , if u dont hav an answer to my question just shut ur ass and dont fart like this

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
You have a double doze of moronic blood in you. I have seen stupid, dumb and filthy arguements on this blog. Butch you are Uno Numero, Laverga Putto! You are that village idiot who goes out and calls strangers, your Dad. Try calling it in front of your earthly Dad,… Read more »
abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

i thought ur friend said the sick god wud love humans no matter what deeds , what is that? what u guys say and what ur scriptures say totally contradicts. stick to one trash ideology and debate

Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago

mac and vigjags are just angry christian missionaries

abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

typo error … answer the question below

abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

@Mac we believe god is everywhere so whether u call a rock or earth or any human or animal as god or not doesnt matter. but we dont say daddy is everywhere and call others as dad. u hav given a stupidest anology. anyway give proper reply to question above

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
The glory of praise and worship belongs to Him, Father God Almighty, we so loving call Him, Abba means Father. I mul tell you, JUST ONCE try to call your neighbour DADDY in front of your own earthly DADDY, rest you will understand. The God of Abraham is the only… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago

Jesus Would Be the First to Burn the Bible – I AM Spirituality 0074
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyEJji4J2_Y

MrVishnupb
MrVishnupb
3 years 6 months ago

” why it is ill-advised to defend Christianity in forums such as these”
“while I continue more important issues..”
Keeping cling on the same wrong tree !
🙂 …. :)……

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
God Bless U Brother! You are politically correct and politics is my subject. We both use the same kinda sword of truth, Word of God, just in different manner. The Sword of Truth which separates the bone from the bone marrow. It is the Word of God, depends on how… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago

Mac, armed with the Sword of Truth, you are an hematologist too, brother. Jokes apart, is he really doing God’s work?

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Yes, he is doing God’s work. Faith has been given to us in different proportions. It is his domain he does and I would not mess up with his domain, it is his God given domain. And, he is doing good. I am a soldier of Salvation. We use the… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago

its not bad loving you or not your deeds and morality is what makes your character if jesus died for sins why do you make christians pray to jesus again to forgive your sins?

SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago
In part II, the real Vicjags comes to the fore who all the while was trying to project himself as a rationalist. He realizes the vanity of apologetics knowing full well that it will fall flat on its face and prefers to go the evangelism route instead trying to brainwash… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago
The true “rationalist” in Vicjags finally gets exposed. It is very strange that pseudo-rationalist Vicjags accuses others of running a farcical show when he himself ducks for cover when pointedly asked to denounce the pseudoscientific ideas propagated by a certain religious group guided by vested interests especially in “harvesting of… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago
Must say, he is an interesting character with an unusual strategy. I would like to sum up Vicjags’ strategy in 1 sentence: changing gears at will (from being a rationalist to an evangelist and then doing a volte-face when faced with bitter truths), being evasive, tacit approval of a certain… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago

i love how you cant reply back so start talking to your fellow christian i know you hate agniveer it doesnt matter

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago
@Amul Arya: so true. Look what kind of convoluted way of thing this individual has and what kind of society would such “Christian” way of thought build. In this short chapter Paul lucidly explains the human predicament . “Oh what a wretched man I am, for what I want to… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago

@Mac : you yourself say ..as Faith without deeds is dead. ya i am totally agree with you.
in other words Faith without karma is dead. so we agree.No problems.

SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago
SDC 03:12 I inherit the capacity to sin and to do good at the same time. So, there is absolutely no need to get worked up. Just attune yourself to doing all that is good and virtuous and the rest shall work itself out. Read the Cherokee Legend of Two… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago

@Mac : stupidity knows no bounds here..
There is no reason to compare karma with God’s grace , first leads to latter.
Then you ask me have i sinned , if there is no value of karma, why should sin even come into picture for salvation.

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Karma is measured by corruption in India and we know that corruption is there from Peon to President. Karma has value, but it has to come thru Faith (Yeshua Ha Mashaiach). And, once Faith is there, Karma will automatically follow; as Faith without deeds is dead. Luke 6:38 “Give, and… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago

yes and go read what i replied to mac i respect jesus but dont see him as god i respect all faiths but im against christians and muslims because they radical and spread lies

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago

@Mac : you yourself say ..as Faith without deeds is dead. ya i am totally agree with you.
in other words Faith without karma is dead. so we agree.No problems.

mayank
mayank
3 years 6 months ago
@Mac says: (November 30, 2012 at 8:40 am) I agree with you that idol worship is not the best form of connecting to god. but then every one does that, some do it in church or carry a cross (which is symbol of evil, as it was used to crucify… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago

I agree with you mayank. Yoga and meditation is the true way. No idols nothing else. Only meditate on the One God.

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
@Mayank, Your comment is very genuine, I have to say it. Firstly, I am a protestant, Caths keep some statues of Jesus in their church property, but they actually do not bow down to it and worship it. A church building is a place of worship where people gather to… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
@vicjacs, Bro., I mul have to say that these guys do not have decorums, eitiquets or no reverance while they discus. Even on their own religious blog they dont have any of that. I was wondering for a discourse, a respectable discourse on this blog, but I have not found… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 7 months ago
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
@SDC, @Ankur and @Krishnarao, Have you visited http://www.indiaculture.net? If not, you need to. There is a wealth of info on that and you can share yours. Also, try to get the Elamite link. I guess, its pretty interesting, you may like it. Face the truth and the truth will set… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago

also that website is not good website but it still goes against your views

Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago

what truth? the truth that christianity is one of biggest lies used to dominate the world?

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
It goes by the original blessings and curses of the law as God spoke to Moses AND the blessings and curses of Noah to his sons. Nothing knew, it still goes exactly as they have said. The Word of God is ever green always. His Name is Yeshua Ha Mashaiach… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago

no that is why the jews say jesus did not fulfill the jewish messiah prophecy the jews know more about the book than the christians who follow jesus

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Whether you are a vaishnav or a muslim. It is I who studied all thru in an orthodox jewish school. What they believe or not, I know you dont. Jews have the torah and the prophets; and the oral law. Also the Covenant and the promise of a Messiah, a… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago
yes except god almighty so how can you worship jesus? and those verses only show jesus as son of god not god almighty that you have to worship him and by te way jesus is not speaking this it was one of his followers by the way have you looked… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
It is the EXPRESS desire of God Almighty, Eloha THAT all creation worship Him————>Yeshua, the Son of God. God do not accept worship and praise UNLESS it comes thru Yeshua. God has put all creation under His feet. First, read the Gospel and Torah, which you do not understand and… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago
eg according to biblical scholors Acts 8:37 where philip says jesus is the son of god it didnt exist in any greek manuscript before 600 ad one of most widly verses used by christians to show jesus was peaceful is Matthew 5:44 the earliest manuscript say But I say to… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
From Adam to Moses to Abraham and the rest of the prophets talks about the coming of Messiah, this Jesus Christ, the begotten Son of God, all thru the scriptures. All creation is created for His glory, Yeshua the Shekinah (glory) of God. For God says: I shalt not give… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago
yes his followers believed he was son of god but not god almighty the father and muslims give a good reply to this when jesus says he is like god he is trying to say him and the father both have the same purpose and if you saw god he… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
There is this incredible ayat from the Honored Qur’an which indeed is a very profound text which leads Muslims to ask those who have the Book, (the Bible Scriptures) “If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the… Read more »
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago
here says tell the jews they are gods Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? and read Mark 24: 32-36,John 12:49,Joh 14:24 and read Mat 15:24 jesus tells them he has been sent only for israel and read John 20:16-18 christianity and… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Jesus said: Who is good? Nobody is good except God Almighty. He pours rain on good and bad and feeds both of them. Yeshua Ha Mashaich is the goodness of God, the character of God, goodness. As He said to Moses at the burning bush, My goodness will go before… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago

Mac, faulty, distorted, and half-baked interpretations of truth has the capacity to enchain the hearts and minds of generations.

krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 7 months ago
There goes Mac retard ass spreading lies again. Seriously first these European invaders called it the aryan invasion. When there wasn’t enough evidence for it, they called it the aryan migration. And now when there isn’t even evidence for that they are changing there story again. Even the European scholars… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Does it make you happy or make you feel a winner by spewing bad words at me? If it does, God bless you. You are going in circular arguments. I have already given answers in detail in my above comments for which you are still spewing bad words at me… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago
@MAC: one question : on what basis are you saying that RV is talking about the goddess but not the actual furrow does the goddess plough the field of the plough? Please back your argument but some logical way and not by hollow claims. and as requested can you give… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago

* does the goddess plough the field or the plough (machine) ploughs the field?

krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago
Wow, this from a guy who comes on this sight and insults everyone here by calling them demon worshipers. Seriously man, you have some major problems. You need to address the issues you have. The fact that you are still on here harassing everyone shows you really have mental issues… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago
Even if the verse is removed from context, vicjags did not provide any proof that the miraculous healing had anything to do with Christ and Christianity as he very emotionally and vehemently claimed, what he did is went to great lengths to prove that the experiment results did not PROVE… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago

Fine. BTW, Vicjags probably feels that the “Christian scientists” are probably exempt from following the scientific methodologies if they were to prove science from the Bible. And he does not bother to negate the pseudoscientific ideas that they bring forth in order to validate its teachings.

SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago
What is that supposed to mean? If you could be kind enough to elaborate further in simple layman’s term. In any case, Vicjags had a serious problem with a Vedic verse conveying a similar meaning. I do not how is he going to take this one? Probably, on face value,… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago

You killed Jesus in your previous birth! So, you too believe in the Vedic concept of transmigration and reincarnation of souls.

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Eph 4:5&6 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism. Eph 4:5&6 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
LOL, you are certainly amusing! Its not me, who says that it is the Word of God which says that. Let me quote again those verses which clearly says that IDOLATRY IS DEMON WORSHIP. And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not of the… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago
That means your bible is a book of insults. simple as that. Just because your bible makes insults doesn’t make saying your insults right. it makes your bible a book of insults. Next. this is a Vedic sight. We don’t believe in idol worship. we believe in meditating on the… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Bro., As surely as I worship the living God, I can’t hate you in my darkest dreams because you are my flesh and blood, a desi brother, I just can’t. But, you do not bring any substance in your arguments and you know I dont like to argue. I like… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago

And if Jesus was alive today, he would burn the bible, turn around and say to you,
“you are free brother.” And give you a hung with pure love.

Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
Amul Arya(Abu Masood)
3 years 6 months ago
what nonsense are you speaking your jesus never said worship me as god krishna was the only figure to say he is god and to worship him? why dont you accept the man that actually said he was god? there is many evidence to say alot of things mentioned in… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago

Don’t get too excited. Read my comment of September 5, 2012 above or key Ctrl F and type in “Jesus claimed godship”, you will get there. I don’t like to repeat.

SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago
Have you by any chance heard of the lost of Dwarka that was found in the lake called Gomati Lake at Dakor which bears eloquent testimony to the fact that Mahabharata is not a figment of someone’s imagination or you have deliberately decided to give that a miss because somehow… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago
@Mac: what words should i use for your in decent langage , i am not sure. 🙂 you say there is not much difference between my and your interepretations, which i agree but that difference is on which you are concoting histories of the world, i hope that you know… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Well, Ankur, I just want to add to my above comment few more answers and some questions. QUOTE To answer you Shri Ram is “NOT” GOD he was an exemplary person in every aspect of life and worth to be emulated. UNQUOTE Then, who is God? And, you also believe… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Let me make it clear that there were TWO Sitas. The RV verse we are talking about is from the first Sita who was a sister of Warad-sin brother of Rim-sin. She was exalted or venerated from the position of a High Priestess to a Goddess of Furrow. The second… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 6 months ago
Mac, Mr. Spanky, clearly has some issues. The fact that he is on here and insulting and disrespecting people here clearly shows he has mental problems. I think his mother didn’t take care of him as a child. She might have not breast feed him and now he has mother… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago
@Mac: As usual i really don’t like it to educate you, but for your kind info i don’t need a certificate in veda from you or you Christian evangelists, i can read and understand devnagri and sanskrit. First of all there is no history and geography in veda so as… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
Ram is your god and Sita his wife is not! How come? Fallen angels (nephilims, half angels half man) marrying daughters of men is pre-Noahic flood history. I had studied sanskrit as subject for two years but that is very long time ago. Again there were 300 major gods and… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
Sanatan Dharma
3 years 6 months ago

@Mac
Sorry, for interfering. But translation of verse Rig Veda 4:57.6 you have put not correct.

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
I don’t find any difference between your interpretation and my interpretation. Sita is the Godess of Furrow, a trench which links the source of water with the ploughed field. And, she was venerated as a Godess from the position of a Priestess of the temple in Ur, Iraq; and wherein… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago
@Mac : only if you were person with a little grey matter, I have pointed out to you earlier also but it seems that things don’t go past your THICK skull Hammurabi the arch enemy of Arya Ram-sin didn’t had 10 heads, he is the Ravana of Mahabharata. It is… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
@Ankur, I can’t believe you are so poor at it. Rig Veda 4:57.6 arvÁcI subhage bhava sÍte vándAmahe tvA yáthA naH subhágÁsasi yáthA naH suphálÁsasi. Translation : Auspicious Sita (Godess of Furrow), come thou near: we venerate and worship thee / That thou mayst bless and prosper us and bring… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 6 months ago
@Mac : this is not food for thought and i think you have specific liking for the way vignesh used to author his comments. First of all There have been people with the name “Ram” all over the world and it does in no way conclude that others are the… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
These are the researches of renowned Indian archeological experts and they also worship Ram. Ram is a very common name in Mesopotamia and amongst the descendent languages of Hebrew and Aramiac, the mother languages. Most idolatry was concentrated in Mesopotamia especially in Egypt, Babylonia and Elam or Indus valley. Tamil… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Banawali in Hisar district of Haryana, by which the long-lost river Saraswati once flowed, is probably the Ram Janambhoomi (the birth place of Lord Ram) and not Ayodhya as is the common belief. This theory has been propounded by veteran archaeologist M V N Krishna Rao, a… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago

Mac, half truths are more dangerous than lies. BTW, do you accept the truth that creationism is a big hoax?

SDC
SDC
3 years 6 months ago
Why do not you start thinking outside of Judeo-Christian box for starters, Mac? You do not deny that there may be a king named Krishna. Somehow this name does not find a mention in the Middle Eastern history, but the city he founded still exists underwater as is mentioned in… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
See, one thing you have not noted in me on this blog as yet. I support and accept truth, half-truth, a smidge of a truth or myths, folklores, legends, legends of folklores, historical literature of the people of this world, which confirms the main stream faith of Judeo-Christianity. I never… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
I have been there. There is still a temple submerged in water and the city is also there exactly as I have mentioned somewhere on this blog. If you see the old mesopotamian map and the old Elam map it extends to parts of Gujarat and North-west India. I do… Read more »
Yash
Yash
3 years 7 months ago
This article is stunning! What a piece of reserch Agniveer team has done, hats off! This article must start further research on such findings. I read some where that some people in deep Russia have been worshipping Krishna for many generations. It is an accepted fact today that Sanskrit is… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Sanskrit is the descendent language of Prakrit, the Jain language. Also, Sanskrit was brought by Medes people, it is not an Elamite language. So also Medes (mostly north Indians, Pakis, Afghanis and Iranis, southern Iraqis) practised this vedic religions and veda is from them, basically. Elamites who lived in Indus… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
Sanatan Dharma
3 years 7 months ago
@MAC The word sanskrita, meaning “refined” or “purified,” is the antonym of prakrita, meaning “natural,” or “vulgar.” It is made up of the primordial sounds, and is developed systematically to include the natural progressions of sounds as created in the human mouth. Prakrit is a dialect or an impure form… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
I like the term you used for sanskrita “primordial sounds”, thats very amusing. Anyway, I mul quote from wikipedia. Middle Indo-Aryan languages (Middle Indic languages, sometimes as Prakrit) is a group in the Indo-Aryan branch of the Indo-Iranian languages. Middle Indo-Aryan languages are the descendants of the Old Indo-Aryan languages… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago

One need not jump the Agniveer gun but go along with the distortions that Judeo-Christians (like Mac) bring forth? So, the last word in history and archaeology has been said and whatever Mac and his ilk say is final, right?

Mac
Mac
3 years 6 months ago
It is the research of renowned world linguists including Indian linguists. They all agree on what I said because it is from them. All languages were born out of two mother languages Hebrew and Aramaiac. You can Google for the language groups for yourself instead of blabbering with closed eyes.… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Did you read my answer to SDC on divinity and spirituality? Well, I wrote in the first place that he ain’t gonna get it, spirituality, divinity, holiness. But its funny, you need to read my answer to his question and his reply and further on. I guess, you may enjoy… Read more »
River
River
3 years 7 months ago

Oh Paratma!!!

Please give proper backbone to us, as we are not able to with stand in this kaliyuga… we are loosing our cultures, society and many things.

hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 7 months ago
jesus being only 2000 years old probably was not even a real person my personal view is that jesus is a copy of beliefs before him made into one but if by chance he was jesus didnt even say he was god but i believe he probably was somebody who… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Saul, whose name Jesus changed to Paul after He appeared to Saul on his way to Damascus was a Pharisee, a Rabbi and Member of Sanhedrine (jewish court of law) who was appointed to execute the followers of Jesus Christ after Jesus’ acsension to heaven. Paul was going from town… Read more »
hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 7 months ago
jesus was nothing true he probably didnt he even exist but me personally i respect jesus but reject christianity and christians please go read books by acharya s and documentarys by robert beckford even your bibical scholors say it is probably false im skeptical individual me studing many religions i… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
I have two uncles, who are retired from the theology colleges. Both have Ph.ds in theology, one has Ph.d in Old Testament. I myself a student of the classical Talmud, studied all thru in an orthodox jewish school, 10 times better than any convent school. Are you telling me to… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago

In which subject did Jesus have a Ph.D. in?

What’s so wrong in attending Baba Ramdev’s seminars?

Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
There is nothing wrong in attending Baba Ramdev’s seminars. I myself took classes for about one year in Arya Samaj yoga and gymnastics in my area and I loved it. That was when I was a kid. Yoga and gymnastics are good exercise for body and mind. As far as… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago
So, the experience of the divine in only limited to the prophets, is it? I do not subscribe to such exclusive divinity. Each soul is potentially divine. He just needs to realize it. Agniveer is entitled to his opinions on experiencing the divine. But the problem is borders are often… Read more »
Vinay Arya
Vinay Arya
3 years 7 months ago
The world is made up of Carbon,hydrogen,oxygen,phosphorus etc.The carbon did not say to hydrogen to combine each other to form a carbohydrate.Similarly,nucleic acid,amino acids did not say to join each other.As these substances cannot join each other on their own so there must be some invisible entity who is combining… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
@SDC; This would really go above your head, a sure bouncer. But, anyhow I will give you some hints on it and the rest comes from the “Calling of God”. What is divinity? How can a person be divine, if the Holy Spirit has not been given to him/her? And,… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago
Well, I did give you a scare with my bouncer which you effectively skirted/ducked: “Much of what you say is fictional (If not, then produce evidence to prove me wrong).” Well, Mackie boy, I know that you are a good martial artist, a good shooter, a good bowler, a good… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago

I did go over your posts and I pointed the distortions in the “facts” that you brought forth.

Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
You dont have to do anything, just Ctrl F and type in Mac on this blog and read all my posts. You will find all your answers both faith and blindfaith and also know who Ram, Bharat and Sita were because I am not going to fill the blog with… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago
Man, I cannot stop laughing at your spiritual “bouncers.” Mac, the spammer par excellence, I sometimes wonder if you even deserve a response. I personally rebutted your copy-paste researches on many occasions, and I am in no mood to go over that drill again. Probably, Vic may have some words… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Didnt I started my comment with a phrase, “its going to be a bouncer”. I thought so and I knew, you may not get it. Well, I am a good baller, all 6 I use to put in one single hole, yorkers, well that was different time. I suggest, if… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago
The first question that I would like to ask is: Who was the killer? You said nothing about the killer. Some kind of murder mystery, I guess. The invisible gardener story has more in common with the crop circles mystery. Again, Flew needed to answer as to who tidied up… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago
Undoubtedly, empiricism forms the basis of scientific method, but it is not the only way of arriving at truth. Science does employ empirical methods but it goes beyond empiricism. Go through this link for more: http://davies-linguistics.byu.edu/elang273/notes/empirical.htm The reason why Hindus like me hate Christian missionaries is because of their nefarious… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago
Again, attacking your baseless assumptions. When you go on propagating your faith, then questions will definitely be raised as to why people should switch over to your side, what so special about the faith/idea being propagated, how is it better than the one already being practiced, etc. People generally do… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago
You failed to grasp my point: Very few practicing Hindus would consider Christianity as illogical for the simple reason that religious faiths themselves are illogical to begin with. Religious faith cannot withstand a logical scrutiny. I have explained to you the root causes of the antagonism, and it definitely does… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago

More bedtime stories. Go to sleep, man.

Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
@SDC, let me teach you the difference between an ISM and INITY, both are suffixs, right. An ISM is a school of thought, whereas INITY is the WAY. So then all your ISMS are nothing but philosophy of IDIOT BRAHMINS and INITY is the WAY, the ONLY WAY. It was… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
@SDC, You too are pissing me off. Let me make it clear, I am a Hindu a citizen of Hindustan and Bharat-varsh is my motherland. Hindu is not a religion, please dont try to HIJACK my citizenship, either way I belong to this land. Whatever corruption we have in our… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago
There is a distinct difference between religious philosophy and religious beliefs that generally stem from subjective experiences. I am not questioning the validity of the concept of God/creator. I am simply emphasizing on the point that most faith based beliefs based on personal experiences and understandings of religious teachings have… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Faith is the substance of this creation and His Name is Yeshua Ha Mashiach, God in flesh, who came and repaid for our sins in flesh as the sting of death which comes from the sin, which came from the original sin, the disobedience of Adam to the Word of… Read more »
Bibleismyth
Bibleismyth
3 years 7 months ago

YAHWEH=ALLAH=ASURA=Enemy of Hindus

Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago

LOL!!! That was a good one!

Krishnarao
Krishnarao
3 years 7 months ago

Jesus was someone who was reinforcing Vedic views: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt7C1lLR_c8

Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
That guy in the video is funny-fool and one big bluffmaster. He is correlating things which has no meaning without historical ground. At the age of 10, Jesus was teaching to the Rabbis and Members of Sanhedrine, who were the appointed judges of court of law. He was teaching Torah,… Read more »
Krishnarao
Krishnarao
3 years 7 months ago
The key is Jesus was a follower of Vedic values. And it was the romans who changed his image for selfish power. Some of my best friends are people who left Christianity and are now followers of Dharam. Everyday people in the West are being liberated from the chains of… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
You may be hallucinating, if you did not feel power of His presence in your dream. Jesus is the radiance of God’s glory and His presence marks the power of 12 legions of His personal angels. A legion is 6,000 angels. Raban Gamaliel, the Elder, author of Mishnah and Talmud;… Read more »
Krishnarao
Krishnarao
3 years 7 months ago
Vicjags, Mac’s butt buddy, Why do you run away form the history centrisic question? Why are you such a wimp. Your jesus is just a historical character. God does not depend on history. Your religion is history centric and geographic centric. Address the history and geographic that’s been asked over… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 7 months ago
@vicjags :A hypocrite you are; i think you did not forget it was you who came here claiming that “CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION” so in essence you were having your way with the superiority complex & when responded to , you play coy by saying Mr. Ankur,… Read more »
Krishnarao
Krishnarao
3 years 7 months ago
I’m sorry mac, but it is you who have come on here and insulted and brought evil and false trash here. I was sharing a genuine and pure experience I had, and you can’t handle it. I’m sorry, but I actually don’t believe that Jesus asked us to worship him.… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
I have read all those gospels, apocrypha, deutro-apocrypha, psuedo-apocrypha books, some of which you may not even have heard their names. This is the reason why these books are not included in the canon of 66 books of bible because they are unauthentic and lacks appropriate proofs. Its research DO… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Do U know what Holy Spirit is??? This was written over 4000 years ago. Proverbs 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of His hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in His cloak? Who has established all… Read more »
hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 7 months ago

you seem to be defending christianity but then other posts you seem to be athiest what are you exactly there are many christians like yourself who believe claim to be athiest but defend christianity?

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 7 months ago
let’s see who has malicious intentions and /or is confused. 1)here is your first claim (__http://agniveer.com/rama-myth-or-hero/#comment-25304) of “Jesus salvation” to which you never paid heed since then almost a month(were noticed around 17 Oct on the forum) has passed and now you find the escapist route by shamelessly and sarcastically… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 7 months ago
@ Krishnarao : Pranam KrishnaRao,Brother, the point that we must understand is that our own brothers are uneducated and ignorant about own vedic heritage and that’s why they stand against it today and its nothing but sad, at the same time we as the torch bearers should never falter from… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Nobody can be saved by Karma. For it is written that “Everybody has sinned and have fallen short of God’s glory”. You can’t buy the Living God by your Karmas as you buy your deaf and dumb idols. It is written: “The wages of sin is death”. It is also… Read more »
Krishnarao
Krishnarao
3 years 7 months ago
Namaste Ankur, Excellent point, “Here is what is needed, I need your understanding and essence/relevance (in your words) of the below concepts of Hinduism, to start with 1) what is Atma and what is the difference between Atam and the Christian concept of Soul 2) what is Jiva 3) what… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 7 months ago
@Vicjags : Its a request to you do go through the post and not just skim over , after all its a matter of 5-10 mins, do ignore my compassion and humility, i hope you have a big kind and forgiving heart, in line with respected historical character of Jesus… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 7 months ago
@vicjags : The only thing that forced me to respond to you is that you mentioned me by name in your post, i thought you would stop that since we decided to do that. Guess you are hard at understanding a simple request. Besides if i have/had digressed from the… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
@Ankur 1) what is Atma and what is the difference between Atam and the Christian concept of Soul Atma is the Spirit or Ruah and Soul is its covering means body. Nowadays, the word Soul is used interchangeably with Spirit. 2) what is Jiva Jiva is the life force which… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 7 months ago

@mac: before we decide upon the debate conditions and take things to task, if i find its worth it,
I would like to know, as you explained sharira=body=soul, do animals have this soul?

SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago

Distortion and misrepresentation is the new bliss, and you are blessed, Mac. You sound more like the Muslims to me who very often blurt out that Allah has put a seal on the hearts of infidels.

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 7 months ago
@Mac : Dont worry i know that you can’t debate ; you dont even know christiant belife system which is clearly visibile where christian concept of soul is not Applicable to anyone except humans i.e. Animals “DO NOT” have Souls. and soul is not body as you say , so… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago

Ignorance is a bliss for you and blunt denial is a trait of blindfaith. I can quote events from the bible wherein the animals are talking to human beings. But, you are not worth it. Only God can remove the curtain of blindfaith from your eyes.

Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Yes, animals do have Spirit (Atma). But, I do not know whether their spirits go up or down when they pass away. Again, soul is the covering of the Atma. Well, when Adam and Eve were there with the animals in the Garden of Eden, they all spoke a common… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 7 months ago
@Vicjags :Alas !! Now if you are saying that the love of Christ is that altered your choice, the onus lies on you to disprove my statement that there is in fact difference between the indigenous Indic bhakti bhav marg and love of jesus or XYZ, I am claiming they… Read more »
Mary Walker
Mary Walker
3 years 7 months ago
To: All Hindus , I get this is an Hindus’ website. I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers. How do you know if your God is the true God? How do you know if your religion is the… Read more »
Mary Walker
Mary Walker
3 years 7 months ago
To: Islam , I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers. How do you know if your God is the true God? How do you know if your religion is the true religion? Have you ever thought your religion… Read more »
Jay
Jay
3 years 7 months ago

Can you not spam all the threads. Pick one for these questions instead of repeating them on every thread.

ronak mehta
ronak mehta
3 years 7 months ago

hey u fool peoples…..SHREE RAM is only a god not a national hero…..he is a avtar of god…that menas he is nt a ordinary people like us…he is a ultimate & only one……..KRISHNA AND RAMA,VISHNU AND SHIV,BRAMHA ALL ARE SAME..NTHING DIFFERENCE IN THEM…THEY ARE ONLY ONE….

Shailendra Singh Bais
3 years 8 months ago
Agniveer good work.. You have really put light on Ram’s birth and his life and proofs of Lord Ram was worshiped around the world. Agniveer, I am doing a research on World Scripts. Please listen it carefully, In which I can prove that Sanskrit’s Script is the mother of all… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
The world was into idolatry, local demon worship, ancestor worship, fallen angel worship and satan worship, UNTIL Jesus came. He never traveled a 100 miles in His life time, never had a teacher, never went to school, but the Rabbis (teachers of law) called Him a Rabbi (teacher of the… Read more »
hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 7 months ago
jesus was a born a jew who didnt do ancestal worship,demon worship etc and jesus aws not god he never said he was the god to be worshippedand he was also a false jewish messiah according to jews and india and china have some oldest histories in the world the… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
QUOTE but if you were honest you would know the abrahamic beliefs are nothing compared to eastern beliefs UNQUOTE Israel is the naval of this world (the Middle-east), where the entrance to the Garden of Eden was there and where all the patriarchs and matriarchs of the Faith are laid… Read more »
SDC
SDC
3 years 7 months ago

If you could appreciate the myths and fairy tales of the Bible being propagated by the “Christian scientists” as worthy of consideration, I am sure you could find pearls of wisdom in his research too only if you do not maintain double standards in this regard.

Indian-veer
Indian-veer
3 years 7 months ago

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Ankur
Ankur
3 years 8 months ago
@Vicjags: Pardon me, but i would like to know what is that you are here for a) proving your reasoning prowess? b) proving that Salvation through Christ is the only way http://agniveer.com/rama-myth-or-hero/#comment-25304 Christian concept of God and salvation through Christ. I will show why it’s reasonable to believe that Christ… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 8 months ago
Nice job Ankur, You explained it very well. The point is people like vicjags want to spread rumors or regurgitating rumors some clever and not so clever missionary or Western imperialist came up with. Lot of the theories that vicjags stated came right out of some of the most racist… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 8 months ago
@VicJags : Dear friend All your thought out-pour between the IN BOLD reason is no where in logical coherence with the same IN BOLD reason. lets See: By explaining how vast majority of the Christians seem to be genuinely accepting Christ only after experiencing his love.. How did you explain… Read more »
Arun
Arun
3 years 8 months ago
“If you are OK with accepting Christ based on my experiences then even I’m more than willing to talk about the miracles that I’ave experienced and the impossible faith healings that my family members have seen by the work of the Holy Spirit.. So to say again..This is my purpose… Read more »
krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 8 months ago

Looks like Mac’s butt buddy, and ulterior persona is back. Seems like he preaching some of the most sickest shit again. Wow, this guy needs to take a cold bath, LOL

dr vivek arya
3 years 8 months ago

shailender singh ji

visit this link and read volume 1,2,3 of bharat varsh ka itihas by acharya ramdev ji. in third volume acharya ramdev ji had commented on greek history and its relation to history of our country. do give me feedback.

dr vivek arya

http://www.vedickranti.in/books.php?cat_id=119

Agniveer Agni
3 years 8 months ago

You should contact Sri Rajveer Arya who leads Agniveer Peace Foundation and is an expert historian himself. He has also made similar researches. You can contact him through http://agniveer.org

abhi
abhi
3 years 6 months ago

u shud apply the same thinking/approach to the question whether jesus existed or not .

Shailendra Singh Bais
3 years 7 months ago

But how to reach Sri Rajveer Aryaji from that link there isn’t any dropdown of contact us in that link..

Sheikh Gulzaar
3 years 8 months ago

Dear All, Shri Rm Chanderji was a great personality. He was declared “Imam-e-Hind” by Dr. Alama Sheikh Iqbal dacades ago…

Sheikh Gulzaar
Writer/Bot/Journalist
Srinagar,JK

Sami
Sami
3 years 8 months ago

Your own mudslinging posing as a Muslim, Christian, Hindu and Atheist was not rational analysis of Ashish’s quote.

Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago

@Vicjags

A Christian moron like Vicjags will equate his dictator Abrahmic God with Vedic Ishwar without understanding the basic concept of GOD in Vedas.

First understand it here http://agniveer.com/vedic-god/ then we will discuss why he didn’t enlightened Mohammed Ghori.

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 8 months ago
@Vicjags : i felt that only your atheist personification is worth responding As per Sanatan Dharma, there are the minimum and non-excusable ten attributes of “Dharma” (which is not Religion as we understand in the west, by any way) and everything else revolves around them. “Dhrati Kshama Damah Asteyam Shoucham… Read more »
hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 8 months ago

do i know you by chance? whats your real name

hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 8 months ago

stop looking at eastern religions with western eye they are nothig like the abrahamic religions i wouldnt even call eastern religions as religions

Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago
Its some desparation of our christian brother vicjags that brings him here and put those comments. He will call us homophobe, murderer, liar, silly, fanatic and every other bad word he knew. Why??? because We questioned his faith. I won’t respond to all his comments coz i am not here… Read more »
purushottam
purushottam
3 years 9 months ago

http://serveveda.org/?p=87

some scientific data

SDC
SDC
3 years 9 months ago

Am very impressed with the splendid work being done by the I-SERVE team.

hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 9 months ago

all should embrace hinduism

Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago
The history of the rise of Christianity has everything to do with politics, culture, and human frailties and nothing to do with supernatural manipulation of events. Had divine intervention been the guiding force, surely two millennia after the birth of Jesus he would not have a world where there are… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
You need to keep your “Reply” button, in case somebody wants to answer you. You are talking about Romans 1:26-32.(Killing of Gays). Do you know there were Elamites (Desi/Indians) mixture? Well you dont know that. Let me tell you that Soddom and Gommorah and in total 5 cities which God… Read more »
hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 7 months ago
all the stories in the bible are considered myths by all top most historians even your true biblical scholors agree on this by the way there isnt even good enough evidence to say jesus was a real person but if by chance he did exist he was nothing like what… Read more »
Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago

Bible and World history matches perfectly well. I have already proved these facts somewhere on this blog. You can Ctrl F and type in my name you will find it. I don’t want to repeat it.

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 8 months ago
@Vicjags : well then you have personalized version of Christianity(may be its not even Christianity except that your feel a linkage or affinity to Christ and some chosen set of beliefs from the super set,same as million of other people have the similar affinity for x, y and z ),… Read more »
Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago

covenant* typo error

Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago
—-Sorry, I’m no idiot to explain to you fellows the difference between thye Old covenant and the New covenant.— As if we’re depended on you, smarty pants. Everytime i bring those verses, christian apologetics always put this rubbish argument of old testament/convenant vs new. Please let us know where the… Read more »
Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago
Lets see what our self-proclamied rationalist @Vicjags has to say on this…. Intolerance towards other religions/cults “If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall NOT LIVE, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his… Read more »
Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago
—-but the best way these fellows were able to respond was by bringing in atrocities of the medieval church; Goa inquisitions; personal integrity of Francis xavier; British colonialism etc and hence argue Christianity is invalid…—- ‘The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and… Read more »
Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago
—This website is different, mostly filled with fools and fundamentalist bigots who cannot tolerate any arguments against their faith… —- Look who is talking, one who himself can’t tolerate any arguments against his faith & pursuing Agniveer to put down it comments which he didn’t like. Abusing people, calling them… Read more »
Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago
@Vicjags We all here know about your interpretaion skills. 🙂 Let’s not get into these things. It was not only about numbers that i didn’t even intended. The point John Naland was making that Jesus was not some divine dude. Otherwise how come there are so many people on this… Read more »
Ankur
Ankur
3 years 8 months ago

@vicjags : so bro you are back for good.let go back to where we left and you give your opening argument , where we left is here.
http://agniveer.com/rama-myth-or-hero/#comment-25414

mayank
mayank
3 years 9 months ago

@MAC/Vicjac,

Thanks for visiting agniveer website and providing your comments.
Since you guys claim that Christianity is about love and peace then please answer few of my doubt’s
1. Who wrote bible
2. Who burned all the documents from the oldes church (which is located in kerala)

Mac
Mac
3 years 7 months ago
Bible 66 books are written by 40 prophets over a period of 1600 years starting from Moses. Kerala is a christian state as there are more christians in Kerala. Some of them are real jews who migrated to India during the first destruction of temple of Jerusalem and Apostle Thomas… Read more »
green tea facts
3 years 9 months ago

When I originally commented I clicked the “Notify me when new comments are added”
checkbox and now each time a comment is added I get four e-mails with the same comment.
Is there any way you can remove me from that service?
Thank you!

krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 9 months ago
So here is the basic breakdown of what happened with Mr. Spanky’s argument, a.k.a. Mac, a.k.a. vicjags. He came on here to try and demonize the Vedic faith and point to some problems. He tried to harpoons us with the argument that Vedic people worship idols and believe in caste… Read more »
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