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Note: By ‘God’ we imply Ishwar or the Supreme Entity and NOT ‘Devata’. ‘Devata’ is a different term but often wrongly considered to mean ‘Supreme Entity’.

While Ishwar is also a ‘Devata’, any entity – living or non-living – that helps us or is useful for us is termed ‘Devata’. But that does not mean every entity is Ishwar and should be worshipped. To avoid confusion, we shall use the term ‘Ishwar’ in this article.

The Supreme One who represents selflessness, controls the entire universe, is present everywhere and is the Devata of all Devatas, alone is source of bliss. Those who do not understand Him remain drenched in sorrow and those who realize Him achieve unconditional happiness. (Rigveda 1.164.39)

Q: How many Ishwar are there in Vedas? We heard there are huge number of Ishwar in Vedas.

A: You have heard from wrong sources. Vedas clearly specify that there is One and only One Ishwar. And there is no mantra in Vedas that can be interpreted to imply multiple Ishwars.

Not only this, Vedas also refuse existence of any angel or Prophet or incarnation who is necessarily required to act as an agent between You and Ishwar.

To give a rough analogy:

Ishwar of Vedas = God of Christianity minus the concept of Trinity minus the necessity to surrender to Jesus

Ishwar of Vedas = Allah of Islam minus the necessity to accept Muhammad as final Prophet.

In other words, If someone says first part of Shahada : lâ ilâha illallâh (There is no other God except one and only Allah) but rejects the second part : Muḥammadur rasûlullâh (Muhammad is his messenger), that is close to concept of Vedic God.

In Islam, it is Shirk or greatest sin to worship anything except Allah. If you take this concept further and also refuse to accept any Muhammad or Gabriel as necessary to be remembered apart from Allah, you are avoiding Shirk as per Vedas.

Q: What about the various Gods or Devatas mentioned in Vedas? What about 33 crore Gods?

A:

1. As mentioned earlier, Devata refers to entities that are useful for us. But nowhere it is mentioned in Vedas that we should worship these entities. Of course, Ishwar is the Devata or Devatas and hence called ‘Mahadeva’. He alone is to be worshipped.

2. The Vedas refer to not 33 crore Devatas but 33 types (Koti in Sanskrit) of Devatas. They are explained in Shatpath Brahman very clearly. These include –
8 Vasus (Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Sky, Moon, Sun, Stars/ Planets) that form components of universe where we live,
10 Life Forces in our body or Prana (Prana, Apana, Vyana, Udana, Samaana, Naga, Kurma, Kukala, Devadatta) and 1 Soul called Rudra,
12 Aditya or months of year,
1 Vidyut or Electromagnetic force that is of tremendous use to us
1 Yajna or constant noble selfless deeds done by humans

The master of these 33 Devatas is the Mahadeva or Ishwar who alone is to be worshipped as per 14th Kanda of Shatpath Brahman.

The concept of 33 Devatas is a great research based subject in itself and requires in-depth study for proper understanding. However, it has been made very clear in all Vedic texts that they are NOT Ishwar and hence NOT to be worshipped.

3. Ishwar has huge number of properties. Ignorant people wrongly consider these properties of Ishwar to be different Ishwars. For example, in today’s newspaper there were 2 headlines – One referred to Dr Singh and other to Manmohan. That does not mean India has two Prime Ministers!

4. To dispel such confusions, there are several mantras in Vedas that clearly state that there is One and Only One Ishwar without any assistants, agents, prophets or juniors to liaison between Him and Us. For example:

Yajurveda 40.1:
This entire world is embedded within and managed by the One and Only One Ishwar. Never dare do any injustice or desire riches through unjust means. Instead follow the righteous path and enjoy His bliss. After all He alone is source of all bliss!

Rigveda 10.48.1:
Ishwar alone is omnipresent and manager of entire universe. He alone provides victory and eternal cause of world. All souls should look up only to Him in same manner as children look up to their Father. He alone provides for our sustenance and bliss.

Rigveda 10.48.5
Ishwar enlightens the entire world. He is undefeated and undying. He is the creator of the world. All souls should seek bliss through seeking knowledge and acting thereupon. They should never shun the friendship of Ishwar.

Rigveda 10.49.1
Ishwar alone provides true knowledge to truth seekers. He alone is promoter of knowledge and motivates virtuous people into noble actions to seek bliss. He alone is the creator and manager of the world. Hence never worship anyone else except one and only Ishwar.

Yajurveda 13.4
There is One and only One Creator and Maintainer of the entire world. He alone is sustaining the earth, sky and other heavenly bodies. He is Bliss Himself! He alone deserves to be worshipped by us.

Atharvaveda 13.4.16-21
He is neither two, nor three, nor four, nor five, nor six, nor seven, nor eight, nor nine, nor ten. He is, on contrary, One and Only One. There is no Ishwar except Him. All devatas reside within Him and are controlled by Him. So He alone should be worshipped, none else.

Atharvaveda 10.7.38
Ishwar alone is greatest and worth being worshipped. He is the source of all knowledge and activities.

Yajurveda 32.11
Ishwar resides at each point in universe. No space is devoid of Him. He is self-sustaining and does not need help of any agent, angel, prophet or incarnation to perform His duties. The soul which is able to realize this One and only One Ishwar achieves Him and enjoys unconditional ultimate bliss or Moksha.

There are innumerable such mantras in Vedas that explain One and Only One Ishwar and instructs us to worship Him directly without invoking any other entity – Incarnation, Prophet, Angel or Agent.

Q: How do you establish existence of Ishwar?

A: Through direct and indirect evidences.

Q: But direct evidence of Ishwar cannot be possible. How do you then establish Ishwar?

A:

1. Evidence means the clear knowledge determined through stimuli received from sense organs. But note that sense organs capture the properties and not the ’cause of these properties’.

For example, when you read this article, you do not capture existence of Agniveer, but only certain images coming on your screen that you interpret into meaningful knowledge. And then you conclude that there has to be some writer of this article and claim that you have evidence of existence of Agniveer. So this is ‘indirect evidence’ even though it appears ‘direct’.

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Similarly, this whole creation that we observe via its properties through sense organs imply existence of Ishwar.

2. When you can link a sensory input directly to an entity, you claim to have ‘direct evidence’. For example when you eat a mango, you feel the property of sweetness and associate it with the mango that you consumed. What is important is that you can associate such ‘direct evidence’ ONLY with specific sense organ that was used to observe that property.

Thus in previous example, you cannot have ‘direct evidence’ of mango through ‘ears’ but only through ‘tongue’ or ‘nose’ or ‘eyes’.

Also in reality this is also ‘indirect evidence’ though we term it ‘direct evidence’ for sake of simplicity.

Now since Ishwar is the most subtle entity existing, it is impossible to have ‘direct evidence’ of Ishwar through coarse sense organs like eyes, nose, tongue, skin or ears. For example we cannot see subatomic particles even through most powerful microscopes, we cannot hear ultrasonic sound, we cannot feel the touch of each individual molecule.

In other words, Ishwar is impossible to be evidenced through these coarse and weak sense organs just as mango cannot be sensed through ears or subatomic particles cannot be sensed through any sense organ for that matter.

3. The only organ that can sense Ishwar is mind or Mana. When mind is fully controlled and devoid of involuntary disturbances (like thousands of thoughts coming all the time) and adequate knowledge about properties of Ishwar has been obtained through study and practice, Ishwar can be evidenced directly through intellect in same manner as a mango is evidenced through its taste.

This is the goal of life and this is what a Yogi attempts to do through all the various methods of mind control that include cultivating traits like non-violence, truth-seeking, compassion, seeking bliss for all, high moral character, fighting against injustice, unity among people, etc etc.

4. In a way we get hints of direct evidence of Ishwar everyday in our life. When we try to indulge in any wrong act like theft, cheating, brutality, we hear that faint ‘inner voice’ in form of fear, shame, doubt etc. And when we indulge in noble deeds like helping others, blessing a child etc, we again hear that ‘inner voice’ in form of fearlessless, sense of satisfaction, enthusiasm and feeling of bliss.

This ‘inner voice’ is from Ishwar. Often we reduce its audibility by trying to silence it through loud DJ Music of stupid tendencies around. But then we all at times feel this ‘inner voice’ getting louder now and then, when things are relatively silent.

5. And when the soul purifies itself from mental disturbances and gets away from the DJ club, it is able to directly evidence itself as well as Ishwar.

Hence both through direct and indirect evidence, Ishwar is established as clearly as other entities witnessed by us.

Q: Where does Ishwar live?

A:

1. Ishwar is omnipresent and hence resides everywhere. Had Ishwar been living at a particular place like some special sky or on some special throne, He could not have been omniscient, omnipotent, manager of all, creator of all and destructor of all. You cannot perform actions at a place where you are not present.

2. If you say that Ishwar manages the world from one place just like sun illuminates earth from far off or you watch TV through remote control, this is defective logic. Because sun is able to illuminate the earth or remote control is able to operate the TV only through radiation waves that travel through the interim space. Just because we are unable to see them we call it remote control. In reality there is nothing like a remote control. Thus the very fact that Ishwar is able to manage something implies that it is present there to manage it.

3. Further, if Ishwar is omnipotent, why would He be scared to restrict Himself to a small space. This makes Ishwar limited. Christians say God is on 4th sky and Muslims say that Allah is on 7th sky. And their followers keep fighting each other to prove themselves right. Is it that God and Allah decided to live in separate skies so that they also do not start fighting like their angry followers?

In reality these are childish talks. When Ishwar is All-Powerful and controls entire universe, there is no reason why He would be scared to limit himself to a small part of universe. And if He is, he cannot be termed All-Powerful.

Q: Does it mean Ishwar is also in dirty things like alcohol, urine, excreta?

A:

1. The entire creation is within Ishwar. Because Ishwar is also outside these things but these things do not exist outside Ishwar. So all things in world are pervaded by Ishwar. To give a very rough analogy, we are within Ishwar in similar manner as a pice of cloth within tub of water. There is water within, outside and all around the cloth. There is no portion of cloth which is not wet with water but there is water beyond the cloth as well.

2. Anything is dirty or good for us depending upon our duty towards it. The same set of atoms that form the tasty mango we eat is so lovely for us. But when the atoms disintegrate, interact with other chemicals and form excreta, that becomes dirty for us. But in essence all these are merely different combinations of particles of nature. Since we have a mission on this earth, we analyze each thing with regards to the mission and accept some/ reject rest. What we reject is dirty or trash for us and what we accept is good for us. But for God, such duty does not exist and hence nothing is dirty for Him. On contrary, His duty is different from ours – to help us achieve bliss in just manner – and hence nothing in His entire creation is untouchable for Him.

3. If you look from another analogy, Ishwar is not like a pampered social worker who would prefer to plan remotely in his air-conditioned office but would desist from visiting the slums where actual social work has to be done. He, on contrary, exists to manage the most dirty of the places for our benefit.

4. And since He alone is most perfect, despite He being everywhere and everything being within Him, He is separate and different from these things.

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Q: Is Ishwar Kind and Just?

A: Yes. He is the epitome of kindness and justice.

Q: But these are opposite traits. Kindness means to forgive a criminal. And justice means giving punishment to criminal. How can both exist at same time?

A: Kindness and Justice are basically one and same. Because both serve the same purpose.

1. Kindness does not mean forgiving a criminal. Because if that be done, several innocent people would become victims. Thus unless justice is meted out to a criminal, one cannot be kind to innocents. It will also be not justice to the criminal because he would not be prevented from further crimes.

For example, if a dacoit is forgiven, he would harm several innocent people. And if he is imprisoned, it would not only prevent harm to innocents but also allow him opportunity to improve himself and not do further crimes. So in justice alone lies kindness for one and all.

2. In reality, kindness refers to the purpose of Ishwar and justice to the process. When Ishwar punishes a criminal, He does it to prevent the criminal from doing further crimes. And he also prevents innocent people from getting punished for no offense of theirs. Thus the entire purpose of justice is kindness to all.

3. As per Vedas, and observation, the source of sorrow is ignorance which causes one to do wrong acts called crimes. So when a soul does such wrong acts, Ishwar restricts his freedom to do crimes and allows him opportunities to remove his ignorance and remove sorrow.

4. Mere saying sorry is not sufficient to receive pardon of Ishwar. The source of sin or crimes is ignorance and until that is removed, the soul would continue to get rightful punishments or rewards for its actions every moment throughout several births and deaths. And the purpose of all this justice is His kindness towards the soul to gift it with ultimate bliss.

Q: Does that mean, Ishwar will never pardon my sins? Islam or Christianity are better. There, if I confess or say sorry, all my past records are deleted and I am given fresh opportunity.

A:

1. Ishwar does pardon your sins. His pardon lies in the just results of your actions that He provides and not in deleting your past records.

2. If He were to delete your past records, He would be doing greatest injustice and brutality to you. Because in this case, He has allowed you to be promoted to next class even when you have not gained the competence to pass the present class. And in process he is doing injustice to others also who interact with you.

3. Pardoning means providing opportunity to improve your competence and not giving you 100% when you deserved a zero. This is exactly what Ishwar does. And remember that improving competence does not happen in one moment or through one word of ‘Sorry’. It demands dedicated practice and efforts over a period of time. Only lazy people seek shortcuts like trying to get 100% without even studying the course.

4. Unfortunately, those who attract people to their religion by saying that God will forgive their sins are fooling themselves and people. Suppose someone has diabetes. Does it get treated merely by saying sorry? When a physical disease takes much more than a sorry to be treated, how can mind – the most complex thing known to humanity – be treated by a sorry?

5. Actually these ideologies have a blatant flaw – they believe in one life and do not believe in rebirth. So they want to create artificial hurry formula to attract people. And scare them to Hell of they do not agree to them. We have already covered the loopholes of One Life theory in God must be crazy!

6. Vedic philosophy is much more natural, amenable to logic and reasonable. Neither is there a Hell where you would be thrown to burn forever by an Ishwar who is as loving as Mother, nor would He debar you from opportunities to actually raise your competence through efforts and achieve what you truly deserve. After all what is more satisfying:

a. Rank 1 through a fake mark sheet when we know that actually we had got zero, or

b. A proud Rank 1 through hard work and burning midnight oil, when we know that we did the best we could to become masters of the subject!

So in vedas, there are no shortcuts or longcuts to success. There is only the right cut! And the success is much more satisfying than what any illusionary and illusive shortcut can be imagined to provide!

Q: Is Ishwar with form or formless?

A: He is formless as per Vedas and commonsense.

1. He cannot be omnipresent if He has form. Because form implies existence of boundary. And hence He should not exist beyond the boundary if He has form.

2. Form can be seen only if Ishwar is coarse. Because any object finer than what can reflect light waves cannot be seen. Now Vedas clearly define Ishwar as the most finest, without gaps and uniform everywhere. (Refer Yajurveda 40.8 for example). Hence He cannot have form.

3. If Ishwar has a form, it means that someone created His form. This is not possible. If you say that He himself made His form, it means He was formless earlier.

4. If you say that Ishwar is both formless and with form, it is not possible because both are contradictory.

5. If you say that He takes divine forms at times, kindly specify what divine means. Say Ishwar took divine form of a man. Now how will you define boundary of Ishwar atoms and non-Ishwar atoms. Further since He is present everywhere with same density (uniformity), how we distinguish between man-Ishwar and rest of world. And if Ishwar is same everywhere, how are we seeing the boundary?

6. What we see as human body is actually continuous exchange of matter and energy with rest of the world. It is impossible to distinguish each atom as part of human body or rest of the world. So it will be impossible to segregate even body of man-Ishwar. For example, will the spit, urine, sweat and other excreta from man-Ishwar also be divine?

7. In Vedas there is no concept of Ishwar being with form. Further there is nothing that Ishwar cannot do without form that He must assume a form.

8. What we normally consider as divine Ishwar forms – for example people like Ram and Krishna – were actually divinely inspired. Remember, we talked about ‘inner voice’ of Ishwar? These legends were epitome of Ishwar worship and purity of mind. And hence for normal people, they were Ishwar themselves. However Vedas prohibit worship of anyone except Ishwar. Thus, these persons should instead be emulated (their examples be followed in our own real lives) to offer our gratitude to them. This hero-followership is as per Vedas and explained in The power of Now! – Know Vedas.

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9. Had Ishwar taken form and worship of these forms been the recipe for salvation, Vedas would have detailed description on this topic. But Vedas do not even hint at such concepts.

Q: Does it mean all these temples and worship of Ram, Krishna, Durga, Lakshmi wrong?

A: Take example of a pious mother living in a remote village. Her son gets bitten by snake. She rushes to local Tantrik for Jhaad Phoonk in an attempt to save life of her child. Would you call her wrong or right?

The bulk of Ishwar worshippers today, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever are in same state. Their intentions are genuine and worth greatest respect. But out of ignorance, they adopt wrong practices of worshipping Ishwar. This is obvious from the fact that hardly anyone even knows about the Vedas, even though, at least the Hindus agree that Vedas are supreme.

The right way to show our gratitude to great legends of past should be by imbibing their virtues and doing noble deeds accordingly. For example, we see Ravans all around in form of corruption, terrorism, immorality etc. If we can unite to counter these in rightful manner, that would be true glorification of Ram. Same with Krishna, Durga, Hanuman etc.

I have been a fan of Hanumanji throughout my life. My way of his glorification has been preservation of my moral character and putting efforts for a strong and healthy body that serves the society. What point is in worshipping Hanuman with weak body and irritable stomach yet consuming heavy laddus!

While the motive behind all these modes of worship is worth greatest respect and we humbly bow to the purity of true devotees of any cult, it is our wish to see all devotees to adopt the same methods of worship that Ram or Krishna adopted in their own lives!

Q: Is Ishwar Omnipotent or All-Powerful?

A:

Yes, He is omnipotent. But that does not mean He can do whatever He wants. Doing whatever one may want is sign of indiscipline. On contrary, Ishwar is most disciplined. Omnipotence means that Ishwar does not need help of any other entity to conduct His duties – creation, management, destruction of universe. He is self-sufficient to conduct His duties.

But He would act only as per His duties. For example, He will not kill Himself to create another Ishwar. He cannot make Himself an idiot. He cannot do theft or dacoity etc.

Q: Does Ishwar has a beginning?

A:

Ishwar is without any beginning and without any end. He was always present and will always remain. Further His properties remain same at all times.

Soul and Nature are two other beginningless and endless entities.

Q: What does Ishwar want?

A: Ishwar wants bliss for all souls and wants them to achieve this bliss through deserving efforts purely on basis of merit.

Q: Should we worship Ishwar or not? Why? After all He never forgives!

A: Ishwar should be worshipped and He alone should be worshipped.

It is true that by worship of Ishwar, you will not receive any shortcut pass certificate when you have actually failed. Only lazy and cheaters desire such unscrupulous means to success.

The benefits of worship of Ishwar are different:

a. By worship of Ishwar one is able to understand Ishwar and His creation better.

b. By worship, one is able to better understand His properties and adopt those in his own life.

c. By worship, one is able to hear ‘inner voice’ better and get constant clearer guidance from Him.

d. By worship, one eradicates ignorance, gains strength and is able to withstand toughest challenges in life with confidence and aplomb.

e. Ultimately, one is able to remove ignorance completely and achieve Moksha or salvation with ultimate bliss.

Please note that worship does not mean some mechanical recitations or blankness of mind. It is a proactive approach to imbibe wisdom through actions, knowledge and contemplation.

We shall discuss this in detail subsequently. For now, you can refer to: How to worship?

Q: When Ishwar does not have limbs and sense organs, how does He conduct His actions?

A: He does not need coarse organs for his actions that happen at most microscopic level. He does so through His inherent powers. He sees without eyes because his eyes are present at every points in space, He does not have legs, but is fastest, He does not have ears but listens to everything, He knows everything but is beyond complete cognizance of everybody. This shloka comes in Upanishad. Ishopanishad also describes this in detail.

Q: Does Ishwar know His limits?

A: Ishwar knows everything. This means that He knows whatever is truth. Since Ishwar is limitless, He knows Himself as limitless. It would render Him ignorant if He tries to know His limits when none exist.

Q: Is Ishwar Saguna or Nirguna?

A: Both. Ishwar is Saguna if you refer to properties like Kindness, Just, Creator, Maintainer etc. But He is Nirguna, if you refer to properties that He does not possess – like dumbness, senselessness, anger, cheating, birth, death etc. Its only a semantic difference.

Q: Please summarize major properties of Ishwar as per Vedas.

A: His properties are infinite and cannot be expressed in words. But here are some major properties:

– He exists

– He is animate

– He is source of all bliss and happiness

– He is formless

– He is unchangeable

– He is all-powerful

– He is just

– He is kind

– He is unborn

– He never dies

– He is infinite

– He is omnipresent

– He has no defects

– He has no beginning and no end either in time or space

– He is uncomparable

– He maintains entire universe

– He creates entire universe

– He knows everything

– He never deteriorates and remains perfect always

– He is fearless

– He is pure

– He has no agents and establishes direct relationship with all souls.

He alone deserves to be worshipped without invoking anyone else.

This alone is the path to bliss and removal of all miseries!

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/vedic-god-hi/ and Gujarati at http://agniveer.com/6029/the-vedic-god-gu/

 

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Where was Jesus crucified? Rome or Jerusalem.

Angira
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@hinduagnostic: Have you read the whole Veda? Can you tell me? How much of peaceful Veda is? Make answer (if you can) without supplying me any link.
anti-agni
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anti-agni

@aryasamaj, you have propagated on your fb page that Zakir naik questioned ganesha the elephant head and shiva so he is terrorist and your Moolshankar has abused every religion, religious personalities, hindus, jains, budhus so what about him? he was biggest terrorist…p

Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)

@Ankur:

Your words: That’s ● ● ● Why the female gets 100 lashes because she couldn’t prove that she was raped)
Wrong. If a women is raped she don’t get 100 lashes. She will get hundered lashes if she willingly have illicit relation with others.

Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)

@Ankur
Your words:
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Re:
Give me links.

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@anti-agni

Thanks 4 informing me.
pecace be on you.

anti-agni

@maria… sister this filthy false slave is deceiving by pretending as Muslim so we have to be careful in answering him…..

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Slave of holy Prophet (SAW)
Slave of holy Prophet (SAW)
@anti-agni Helo Mr. I am on the path of prophet. Prophet is my ideal. My prophet (SAW) did marry with Zainab who was his daughter in law. So, by marrying with daughter in law i followed the prophet. Other Muslim also should follow the same. My Grand father also was… Read more »
Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)

You words: If Allah wants to make a stone too heavy to be lifted by him, Can Allah make such a stone?
Re: Plain & simple Allah don’t want in any way (Quran). He has power over all things (Quran). None is greater than Allah. (Quran). Its not possible.

@moolshankar
@slave of prophet, you are right my brother but see what this agniveer is doing with aryasamaj….he has deleted the pages of satyarth prakash which were related to n-i-y-o-g and if you write any comment related to it then he delete these comments. do you know my basic teaching is… Read more »
Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
@Moolshanker Moolshanker was worst person. He defamed our great Islamic prophet Mohammed (SAW) who taught the world how to keep child wife and how to manage multiple wives. My prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was merciful enough that he killed only male person who used to bow before stones/idols and he made… Read more »
anti-agni

@false slave of prophet. y u have forgotten n-i-y-0g?????
Hahaha.
if u are real slave then u have to explain it and y agniveer deleted pages of satyarhprakash related ro it.???? Phans gaya bachu

Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
@anti-agni Why do you call me false slave of beloved prophet Mohammed (SAW)? What wrong I am doing which is against Islam. I daily recite Kalama all 5 times to please Allah. Allah will punish you to harass a believer like me. I think Agniveer deleted the pages because he… Read more »
anti-agni
@false slave. y all aryasamajis so much scared from n-i-y-o-g main teaching of veda and ur guru???? Y agniveer deleted those pages related o n-i-y-g? If you can’t talk on ur belief then y are you here? It is a vedic site and we cant discuss islam here..discussion of islan… Read more »
Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
@Anti-Agni Please do not talk of Kufr. Dayanand was Kufr. I am follower of prophet (Mohammed). Allah will punish them Hindu and Arya Samaji for not getting worship from them. About me मे इस्लाम मे पूरी आस्था र्रखता हू! मैने पगांबेर का अनुसरण करते हुये 55 वर्ष की आयु मे… Read more »
Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
Slave of holy prophet (SAW)

@anti-agni
Please do not talk of Kufr. Dayanand was Kufr. I am followers of prophet (Mohammed). Allah will punish them Hindu and Arya Samaji for not getting worship from them.

Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
Slave of holy prophet (SAW)
@Maria You are wrong Allah can do anything whatever he wants. If Allah will wish to make a stone too heavy to be lifted by him, he can make such a stone. Nothing is impossible for Allah. Allah is not like Arya Samaji God who can not make such a… Read more »
Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)
@Slave of Prophet (SWA): Yor words: “You are wrong Allah can do anything whatever he wants. If Allah will wish to make a stone too heavy to be lifted by him, he can make such a stone. Nothing is impossible for Allah. ” Re: No I’m not wrong. Allah has… Read more »
Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)
@sanatandharma: Your words: “Can Allah make stone too heavy to be lifted by him? Yes/No. Can Allah do this?” Re: There’re certain attributes of Allah. On of theses attributes of Allah is He is All Powerful, He has power over all things (Qur’an). So your quesn’t is senseless. Qur’an doesn’t… Read more »
Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)
Your dirty words : “Please first bring one more woman to post comment here then I will entertain you. Re: You non-Muslims poke fun at Islam in order to entertain yourself. No wonder non-Muslims hate Islam so none is forcing them to accept it so they should let us alone… Read more »
Ankur

@Maria : well well well. You are a true Muslim now for sure.good going.brain shunted and thinking crippled.
How can one dare to do such blasphemous acts with a God’s book?
Who said its God’s Book and what special is there in it??
Dont your see you are talking on Behalf of Allah?

Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)
@Ankur Your words : “well well well. You are a true Muslim now for sure.good going.brain shunted and thinking crippled.” Re: And what about yourself? Perhaps you have forgoten your way of debating. Now you just looks like other hatemongers. Your words: Who said its God’s Book and what special… Read more »
Ankur

@Maria : Nice good going. you have frnds posting for you. Habit of Muslims.
I give up , you are right about all you said. thx for such words of wisdom.

sanatandharma

_____________He can do anything He want__________
If Allah wants to make a stone too heavy to be lifted by him, Can Allah make such a stone?

anti-agni
@sanatan-adharmi, you have written..”@Maria Sister as per Quran woman is half intelligent. Please first bring one more woman to post comment here then I will entertain you.” where it is in quraN? what kind of aryasamji you are? you have said that bring one more more woman then i will… Read more »
Slave of holy propet (SAW)
Slave of holy propet (SAW)

@Anti-Agni
Indian legendary like Dayanand, Rama, Laxman, Krishna, Hanuman, Durga, etc. were worst people because they were not follower of prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Arbi legendary like prophet Mohammed and Arbi people are best creature of Allah. Indian language is worst. Arbi Language is best.

mithya
thank you raj bro for explaining it very clearly. i didnt knew about it that deeply. it realy makes so much sense.. zakir naik is truely a brain washer. hope more hindus will learn hinduism from true source lyk aginiveer not from fake and liar zakir naik. ankur bro will… Read more »
Ankur
@Mithya: you are right that God will not get angry or something like that by what a human does, as emotions like anger etc cannot be the traits or the almighty and allknowing. The only thing that one does on the path of the spiritual practice is to “PROGRESS” towards… Read more »
Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)
@Ankur Case 1: Be-friends with a non-Muslim or not? Here’s some items of information regarding (5:51), kindly read. As u r not ready to accept tafseer of Ibn-e-kaseer, thats alright but now if u read the verse within its context from (5:51) to (5:65), it’ll b clerified Allah forbade Muslims… Read more »
Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)
@ Agniveer “He is omnipotent. But that does not mean He can do whatever He wants” Re: Vedic God is all powerful but can’t do anything he wants. Really? How? Don’t get. Elaborate, thanks. “But He would act only as per His duties. For example, He will not kill Himself… Read more »
sanatandharma

@
__________What’re “Idol+s” then____________
Then Why does Allah love most Kaaba Idol.

sanatandharma

@Maria
____________I just say God can do anything He want________
Can Allah make stone too heavy to be lifted by him? Yes/No. Can Allah do this?

sanatandharma

@Maria
Sister as per Quran woman is half intelligent. Please first bring one more woman to post comment here then I will entertain you.

Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)
@Ankur “He (God) knows everything” Re: So He knows all what human beings will do in their 7 lives. Then still He created them to let them from suffereing from trubles & trials. So can one say He is “Moody”? I’m not saying that God is “Moody” I’m just asking.… Read more »
Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)

“Q: Is Ishwar with form or formless?
A: He is formless as per Vedas and commonsense.”

Re:
What’re “Idol+s” then? If He is formless. Elaborate.

Maria (IslamicDefence)
Maria (IslamicDefence)
@Agniveer: “Q: What does Ishwar want? A: Ishwar wants bliss for all souls and wants them to achieve this bliss through deserving efforts purely on basis of merit.” Re: Yes. Thats what Allah wants. The difference is as per u one will get this bliss in 7 lives & as… Read more »
Raj
Mitya – Thanks for reading the reply. As per my opinion Idol worship is not a sin.The main thing one need to understand is that idol worship is not worshiping the Idol but worshiping through the Idol. Respectable Swami Dayananda Saraswathi ,Agniveer and many of our friends here have a… Read more »
Yuvanraj
okay hello guys, I was born as a Hindu and became so lost when i was small by accepting the fact that i have to worship idols and etc which doesn’t make sense at that time..infact my knowledge in Islam and Christianity was deeper compared to Hinduism because i did… Read more »
mithya
agniveer i want to clear my doubt on god.. like you said ishwar should only be worhiped.. but why we cant worship him in any other form?.. like if we are worshiping him through an idol, but in our mind we know we are worshiping ishwar . everyone who worship… Read more »
Ankur

@mithya : Please read the satyaPrakash by Swami dayanand saraswati to get the actual and factual answers to these questions that you have asked, no some puranic justification, which in fact are the cause for all the deterioration and confusion in our socieity today.

Raj
Puranic stories can convey the in depth Vedic messages in simple ways. From the stories one can take the good and bad because the stories themselves give the answer for the reward for the good karma and punishment for the bad karma. From the stories we can easily get the… Read more »
Raj
Explanation for Mahavishnu: The blue colour of Vishnu denotes the colour of the sky and ocean which means the infinity/ limitless. The serpent on which Vishnu is lying denotes the coiled structure of a galaxy. The name of the serpent anantha means limitless (infinity) the ksheera saagaram ( ocean of… Read more »
Kavitha

Namaste NAshwin and Angira,

Thank you for the information and the links you provided. Will go through and get back in case of doubts.

Thanks.

hinduagnostic

have a question why do you arya samaj say idol worship is wrong when they say god is everywhere he is even in a statue and other hindus dont worship the idol they make the idol god as he is everywhere?

Angira
@Kavitha, a Vedic Dharmi should have greeted all with word “Namaste”. Meaning of the word “Purush” (Pri-to fill or sustain) =Pru Palanpuranayo: From this root the word “Purush” has come “Ya: Swavyapatya Characharam Jagat Prunati Purayati Va Sa Purush: | ” = is One who counts and classifies the material… Read more »
Kavitha
Hi All, I am new to Agniveer.I had 2 questions, and would be gratefull if any one could answer. 1. In the entire post Ishwar is refered as “He”. How is this gender determined? If we are associating a human gender, does that not automatically get a form as well?… Read more »
NAshwin
Sister Kavitha, 1.It does not matter whether God is referred as male or female.It varies upon the context of verses.To focus on specific attributes,both male and female gender are used which is to be taken symbollically.God is beyond gender and formless,omnipresent etc according to rational observations pointed out in the… Read more »
Kanna
I see the site is more of the nature of anti-islamic/anti-christ..and not just propagating vedantha or vedic truths. Regarding the above article..author wanted to say Ishvar is formless … who are you to decide? why can’t he have a form if he wishes? who are you to restrict him as… Read more »
Dara Singh

Hi

Can someone tell me what GOD is made up of.

Thanks

DEV
Muhammad Ji Big Band is nascenet stage and very small part of Vedic Model–Standard Model is very smaell part of Vedic Model.Scientist still have long Journey ,they have only found one more Particle out of 210 Particles.VEdas not only talk about Particles but talk about number of fields and forces.Gravity… Read more »
Mehmed
Hello, Some scientists and religious leaders claim that the Big Bang theory refuted Vedic models of the universe. As far as I read from Vedas, it talks about cycles… Let`s assume that every cycles starts with another bigbang and it goes on forever. But in 2011, it`s proven that universe… Read more »
DEV
Excellent and GOV bless you,even I have one last Question..Did we found GOD particle in Higgs Boson…Is it Mahat which they found…Please do reply.I think we should also celeberate as Sciensists in geneva found GODs Particle……One Great Article should be for these people…Please enlighten that GOD Particle is foudn or… Read more »
Aryaveer
Indeed we and all scientist community should celebrate for this huge discovery! A very important particle has been found ! without finding it is said that all current scientific equations and theorems would have been un proved! Now this very important particle has been named as ‘god particle’ – being… Read more »
Vimal Kr Sharma
Agni Veer Jee aap ne jo jankaariyan deen hai wo anmol hai ek aam Hindu Ved ka adhhayan nhn karte na to hamare desh ke education policy aisi hai na hi aam hindu parivaar isme koi ruchi dikhata hai …..aap ka aabhari aur reeni hun ke aap aisa kar rahe… Read more »
ritesh sharma

mujhe garv hai apne hindu hoone par agni veer ji hamein app jaise ik admi ki jaroorat thi jo jo hindu dharma ki jaankari gahrai se de -jai shri raam

RamSinagh
Ram Thanks and I have already Read that Chapter in SP.Appreciate your patience.I laughed on your reply “agdam badma choo” ha ha ha… You said GOD cannot do anything against Nature then what is Nature.What do you mean by laws of Nature,when GOD is in everything and he controls everything… Read more »
aryaveer
“”””””You said GOD cannot do anything against Nature then what is Nature”””””””””” See the nture or Prakriti in itself is jadh (non living)!So when we say laws of nature it means laws made by god which exisits in nature. eg. law of gravity! it is a natural law (made by… Read more »
Ram

OM Ji

Thanks for your reply,I think I am asking a lot from you and only GOD can reply few things like.

Lets start with GOD and SOUL now,I am good with GOD and MATTER.

Please explain why GOD cannot create SOUL and destroy souls.

OM

vasudevarao.

please read an illuminating discussion on the topic at http://www.satyavidya.org/for-beginners/134-is-the-total-creation-made-by-god-

RamSingah
Arya Veer Ji and Vasu Ji Can you please explain this.. K: What is the objection if it were to be accepted that the soul is the creation of God? V: If this is accepted, then the souls are not free to do their Karma. Secondly, God becomes accountable for… Read more »
Aryaveer
this indeed is very excellent discussion! Ram Signh ji please go through teh above disussion carefully it would answer out many questions! And about your above question… See child if wishes then become like parents say father drink if child wish he also can start drinking… … while soul even… Read more »
aryaveer
Namaste! 🙂 Now we know that PRAKRITI is different from god therefore it is not made of god, hence not made of god means is not made by god ! (What god does is takes prakriti and transforms it to the form of univese and world we see !!) In… Read more »
RamSinagh
OM Ji 2nd option again we see properties of god and Souls different! God is all knowing, soul is not! God is vyapak, soul is not! God is all powerful , soul is not! (soul needs someone to provide it a material body to accomplish karma) God is always mukta,… Read more »
RamSinagh
AryaVeer i Thanks I will continue here as student. Every property is due to some combination of atoms,molecules etc.Even feelings have some medium, and some root.Nothing can be in air.Now even if I consider Satvvic,Rajasi and Tamsic as initial property of matter then who created these and if they are… Read more »
aryaveer
———–Every property is due to some combination of atoms,molecules etc.Even feelings have some medium, and some root.Nothing can be in air.Now even if I consider Satvvic,Rajasi and Tamsic as initial property of matter then who created these and if they are not particle or energies then how can matter be… Read more »
aryaveer
“”* If GOD is satvvi then from where Satvic property came”””. replied above that there is no question where does a property come from? right? http://agniveer.com/vedic-god/#comment-20613 (this comment is mine forgot to put my name in there!) “”””* If Matter has Satvic,Rajsic and Tamsic then from where all these came… Read more »
RamSinagh
So now I have few more questions * If GOD is satvvi then from where Satvic property came. * If Matter has Satvic,Rajsic and Tamsic then from where all these came who created them. * I accept that GOD is everything in himself and ia ll powerfull then again why… Read more »
RamSinagh
Any intellectual reply excluding following will be of great help. “GOd is eternal and so is SOul and Prakrit i is eternal” I always found AGniveer logical and with reasoning but here no logic and reason,at one side we say GOD is all powerful and other side he cannot create… Read more »
aryaveer
Dear Ramsingh JI, i made reply to your first part of question above ! http://agniveer.com/vedic-god/#comment-20605 Now your question , “” we say GOD is all powerful and other side he cannot create SOUL and Prakriti “” The above i replied that by seeing the soul and prakriti we ca say… Read more »
RamSinagh
OM Arya veer Ji Good reply,slight doubt still remains “When GOD is Satvic then how is he Satvic as this is one of the property of Matter.Moreover from where these properties came,someone should have created them as nothing can come from nowhere.So if GOD is satvic then Matter should be… Read more »
please suggest
“””””””When GOD is Satvic then how is he Satvic as this is one of the property of Matter””””””””””””””‘ okkay! there are two things they have 20 attributes(qualities) each then there can be some common qualities! it does not arise a question! eg. both wood and kerosene burn in fire! this… Read more »
RamSinagh
HI I agree with DEV,even I am confused this is not convincing answer,Just by saying eternal we are making foundation of Arya Samaj concept. Please do let us know why GOD cannot create Soul and PRakriti when he is all powerful,we request u to help us in this by giving… Read more »
Truth Seeker

_________GOD is all powerfull why he cannot create Soul and _____Matter_________________
For whom God will create matter & soul. What will be God purpose to create them?

RamSinagh

OM Ji

I am not here to go into unecessary Discussion,Can you please help with simple logic why VEdic GOD cannot create SOUL and Matter.

OM

aryaveer
Dear Ram singh ji, The answer is very simple and logical! See if you take waht you say as supposition! Lets us suppose god creates Souls and matter! Now since as you say god has to create and there is nothing else around so he will have to create matter… Read more »
DEV

Agniveer Ji

Please let me know any logical point when GOD is all powerfull why he cannot create Soul and Matter.

Thanks

Ronak
Dev Soul and Prakriti both can’t be created because both are eternal like God. If something doesn’t die or can’t be destroyed, then there is no question of creating it. In other words to create something we must make sure that “something” is not present. But soul and prakiti have… Read more »
RamSinagh

OM Ji

You are making assumptions and trying to prove your point by considering Soul and Prakrit i is eternal.

Kindly provide some logic and reasoning which can be accepted.

PM

yash
Is Ishwar with form or formless? 1. He cannot be omnipresent if He has form. Because form implies existence of boundary. And hence He should not exist beyond the boundary if He has form. ans: if we take the case of electron, possibility of finding it is infinity. but it’s… Read more »
vikas khantwal
Agniveer Ji Namskar, i would speak as layman and my questions should be considered in that respect and i hope these would not be taken as offensive. I have been brought up with the concept of holy trinity, i had been subjected to various TV serials like Ramayan, Mahabharta, lately… Read more »
Dayal Parkash
With due respect Mr. Agniveer! This concept that God exists every where seems a little difficult to understand because If this world includes within Ishwar then Ishwar would be just a part of space and then Ishwar wouls be nothing else then the space…..and space has Got know Powers so… Read more »
Agniveer
1. Even you and me are within space. The atom bomb is within space. Does that mean we are space or we have no space? 2. Space is a concept we define to comprehend our existence. If I say the inverse, space lies within God, then how will this comprehension… Read more »
Theunis
Too all of you arguing this point. Yes there is a place for everyone in Heaven. The terrorists will go to a place reserved for them. The Murderers and Rapist will go to a place reserved for them. In their respective places they will terrorize each other and kill and… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Agony: Please clarify…as an infidel, will I burn in eternal hell forever along with 72 wrong sects of Muslims? OR, will I be given the chance along with 72 wrong sects of Muslims to gaining entry into heaven? Can people in heaven go to hell? What are the causative factors… Read more »
AgonyVeer
@Kal Bhairav said : “Please clarify…as an infidel, will I burn in eternal hell forever along with 72 wrong sects of Muslims? OR, will I be given the chance along with 72 wrong sects of Muslims to gaining entry into heaven? —->Allah will Forgive anything & anyone if He pleases… Read more »
AgonyVeer
@Kal Bhairav said : ” You want me to convert to Islam. The Pope wants me to convert to Catholicism, etc” —>Are you the clay in the hands of a potter which can be molded to any desired shape ? Sorry… I do not impose my faith (Islam) upon you… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Agony: My point is from my perspective the idea of rejecting Islam or accepting Islam is not a 50-50 thing. It is more like follows: Take all religions in the world. Let their Number be N. Let Islam be one of them. My probability of accepting Islam is 1 by… Read more »
KalBhairav

There was a small error in the probability calculation, but in any case, the larger point is that 1/N for N>= 2 is <= 50%

Truth Seeker
@Visitors it will depend on “Allah Will” which sect goes to heaven which not. And there is nowhere verses in Holy Quran about transferring the souls heaven to hell and vice-versa. Allah only purpose to create us to get worshiped himself. Whoever worshiped to Allah be Osama, Kasab, Mohammed etc… Read more »
Amandeep
@ Truthseeker, Dont you think that your Allah is being little unfair? you said whoever worships allah will go to heaven, no matter if he is a terrorist, child abuser, rapist etc etc… how is that fair? if he is believed to be God, how can he say such things.… Read more »
Truth Seeker
@Amandeep Brother, When you start arguing & reasoning with Quranic verses you are not Muslim from that time. Brother, You should have firm belief in Quran, prophet & Allah. Allah is all merciful he can forgive all sinners including rapist, child-abuser, pedophilia, criminal, murders, terrorist etc but not non-beleiver in… Read more »
Amandeep Singh
@truthseeker Who cares abt what their so called allah awards to whom…certainly i dont. and abt that muhammed , he was the biggest kaffir in ur language. you know what happened with osama and ends of kasab and other culprites are not far away. definetly according to the definition that… Read more »
Truth Seeker
@Amandeep SIngh _______i believe in God and i worship with my heart and soul____ But do not come before Muslims where they are in power. They will kill you within no time as Allah awards highest heaven & forgive all sins when a Muslim kills to a kaffir or non-believer… Read more »
Amandeep SIngh
@ Truthseeker i am also no more Muslim since 3 years. What do you mean by this? were you muslim before and now converted or you never were a muslim. and if you are not a muslim then why are supporting them? look i have nothing personal with any of… Read more »
Truth Seeker

@Amandeep
i am also no more Muslim since 3 years.

Truth Seeker

Some Correction
Humanity is path of Veda. Whoever believe in humanity on Vedic path.

Amandeep Singh
@ Truthseeker, So finally you believe that you are people are not human beings?? for you muhammed is more important than God? that cruel person has used you people to get his mission accomplished. to kill innocent people. what does a non believer in muhammed do to you? he is… Read more »
Truth Seeker
@Amandeep You are talking in language of Ali Sina who believes Isalm & humanity are not compatible. A Muslim can not be human and a human cannot be Muslim. Humanity teaches us we should love the people irrespective of their different belief, faith, culture etc. But prophet Instructed to his… Read more »
Amandeep Singh
@truthseeker, Allah is merciful and he can forgive rapists, murderers and child abusers but cant forgive non believers in muhammed. i really dont care what you, quran, muhammed or ur allah has to say. how can killing non believers in islam be allowed. definietly your allah whom you people think… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Agonyveer: Since you have made up your Mind for an everlasting refuge in Hell,There is not much one can do about it. It is all in Allah’s hands. He can simply remove the seal he has placed on my heart per Quran 2:6-7. Allah is great. But as of now,… Read more »
AgonyVeer
@ Kal Bhairav says “It is all in Allah’s hands. He can simply remove the seal he has placed on my heart per Quran 2:6-7. Allah is great. But ‘AS OF NOW’, with the free will that he gave me I have no choice but to reject Islam as a… Read more »
KalBhairav
@AgonyVeer: Again there is a 50% chance that you Might or Might Not Reject Islam if Future. How is this? What is the chance that I might or might not reject Christianity in the future? What is the chance that I might or might not reject Sikhism in the future?… Read more »
AgonyVeer
@Kal Bhairav Excuse Me ! You said ” As of Now I reject Islam ” but you did not specify the likelihood of any other events (religions).Perhaps you are Ignoring the context Where in We have considered only Hinduism(which you represent) and Islam(which i represent). Considering the above there are… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Agony: Firstly, even within Hinduism and Islam, there are different sects and subsects. You want me to convert to Islam. The Pope wants me to convert to Catholicism, etc. So, for me the % of event is not 50%. Dont try and impose some arbitrary contexts to claim a figure… Read more »
AgonyVeer
Continued : Is there Really (No) Mention Of WHAT caused Allah to seal THEIR hearts ?? (Alhumdulillah ) Without any Doubt Allah HAS Mentioned the Reason for Sealing their Hearts in CLEAR WORDS (as For ***THOSE WHO*** ARE BENT ON DENYING THE TRUTH….) i:e Who are HELL Bent and Leave… Read more »
KalBhairav

Continuing…

What would be the causative factors of transferring between heaven and hell? It seems like your conception of Islamic afterlife is closer to Hinduism with reincarnation, etc. If not, how is it different?

AgonyVeer
Kal Bhairav said “Oh, so your point is that come judgement day, there will begin eternaility of heaven and hell. But those in heaven can get transfered to hell and vice versa? What would be…” —–> What does Eternal Mean ? i think it Means Everlasting/Never Ending/Ageless etc… So Hell… Read more »
KalBhairav

@Agony:

No problem friend. Take your time. Also watch the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo

AgonyVeer

@Kallu Aka Kal Bhairav

Amazingly The Video says it all Sweety !

Thanks for Making Me a Witness to Your Desperation ,Frustration and Helplessness.All I can do is to Pity you my Friend.

KalBhairav

@Agony:

Also, the Shiites want me to believe that the Quran IS corrupted. 🙁 Read below.

http://sites.google.com/site/mousawi/EarlyDebatesontheIntegrityoftheQuran.pdf

They say that when the Mahdi returns, he will have Allah’s original Quran. I am confused bro…I also want to avoid eternal hellfire. But I am so confused…Help plz.

AgonyVeer
@Kal Bhairav awee !! you are so Innocent ..ummmm !!! Tell you whattt ? Take it easy… Go Slow.. Stick to your Veda’s and keep waiting till Mahdi emerges out with the Original Qur’an as claimed by the Shia’s..either ways your destination shall remain unchanged and Allah knows the Best.… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Agony: Well, sure. If I am going to hell, I am going to hell. Quran 2:6-7 clearly says that Allah has sealed our hearts. But I think hell will be a very interesting place. For one, I will meet many of my ancestors whom I never met because they passed… Read more »
AgonyVeer
@Kal Bhairav “But I think hell will be a very interesting place. For one, I will meet many of my ancestors whom I never met because they passed before my birth. Also, I have some doubts on some physics…so I guess I will want to meet Einstein there. Then, there… Read more »
Vajra
Agony ——But what if Mahdi surprises you with the same copy of Qur’an—— And WHAT IF Mahdi surprises you with same copy of Quran having the words ‘heaven’ and ‘hell’ interchanged or ‘Allah’ and ‘Satan’ interchanged or ‘Momin’ and ‘Kafir’ interchanged 😉 Umbrella of WHAT IF is too big dear… Read more »
AgonyVeer
@Vajra “And WHAT IF Mahdi surprises you with same copy of Quran having the words ‘heaven’ and ‘hell’ interchanged or ‘Allah’ and ‘Satan’ interchanged or ‘Momin’ and ‘Kafir’ interchanged ” In an impetuous attempt my friend you have gone too far flying with your fantasies. Let me introduce a suitable… Read more »
AgonyVeer
@Kal Bhairav Im running out of time but anyways the Hadith you have presented is Sunan Ibn Majah’s Hadith. His collection came centuries later than the FIVE earlier ones out of which Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari are the Prominent ones… Any Hadith that does not match these or contradicts… Read more »
Vajra
Agony What does your rule say about this? Where do you find verse of Rajm in Modern day Wahabi Quran? Enjoy.. 🙂 SAHIH Bukhari [9:424] “No doubt, Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed to him the Book (Qur’an), and among WHAT WAS REVEALED WAS THE VERSE OF AR-RAJM… Read more »
AgonyVeer
@Vajra aw aw !! Same old trick ?? Okay.. What you suggest is Modern Day Wahabi Qur’an has Rejected the so called Verse (Ar-Rajm) hmm ? Brother !! Then you must go looking for the Ancient Versions of Qur’an and Find the one which has not excluded the verse Ar-Rajm… Read more »
Vajra
Brother/Sister Agony When KB gave you Hadith of Ibn Majah, you asked for SAHIH Bukhari and when we gave SB, you jumped to Puranas 🙂 Didn’t you write this “””””Hadith you have presented is Sunan Ibn Majah’s Hadith. His collection came centuries later than the FIVE earlier ones out of… Read more »
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